Pane Andov on crop circles & military interest

[mojo]

Interesting how the military is pursuing/observing the crop circles. Pane brings up a good point on how the military in it's interest in the phenomenon has helped to prove the existence. Intriguing information on 2012 as well. The governments might not be telling us everything they know, could it be Pane is right that the ET are trying to tell us?

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edit: Maybe Bill Ryan lives near the cave that Pane mentions towards the end of the video?;)
...More intrigue... At the end the video notice what Pane says about the writings found on the artifact. The translation in ancient sanskrit mentions the Son of the Creator comes...I wish Pane had mentioned more about the 12,000 year old artifacts.

[Calz]

mojo you and I have shared interest with Pane.

I have always had a fascination with crop circles. This video changed my perception dramatically. It doesn't discount them all but certainly offers a new perspective.



Watching this vid completely changed my outlook on crop circles.

Highly recommeded to anyone who has not seen it.

http://vimeo.com/27953209


Ooops looks like the agencies have taken it away ... sorry.

Will see what I can do to follow up when time permits.

That was a real show stopper.

[Wind]

I have a feeling that Pane knows what's he's talking about.

[Cidersomerset]

I posted this on a thread the other day, interresting imho...

Default Re: ION.... Explaining Ascension...

A Fun Item.....Whatever Ion is it has a answer for everything, whether you agree with it or not !!!

iON Explains Crop Circles....He says they are created by future humans a couple of
Thousand years in the future from our perspective...


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'Crop circles are the noads of the phytoplankton in the plants that respond in a certain way
which makes them have a certain vibrational frequency,which cause them to lay down because
they are not crushed to the field, they actually grow to the ground, and change the way they lay'

earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Library/Phytoplankton/
13 Jul 2010 – Microscopic plant-like organisms called phytoplankton are the base of the marine food web, and they play a key role in removing carbon ...

[Cidersomerset]

If you have not seen it before, this is a good documentry by Richard Hall about crop circles and the MI5 sponcered
Teams who create some of the man made ones in the UK...

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John Lundberg
We revealed in the television documentary “Crop Circles: The Hidden Truth” that Lundberg was probably recruited by MI5 in 1992. Since then he has been paid by British Intelligence continually. We believe that due to the anomalies about the property where he lives, MI5 have also been providing him with free lodgings in London since around 1995.

As many people know, Lundberg’s activities have been in making crop circles throughout the UK, and sometimes travel to foreign countries such as Italy, to trample down fields there too. We believe MI5 has funded these activities for almost 2 decades and have been giving him money to pay the rest of the crop circle team. There would typically be 5 or 6 in a team.

We believe MI5 made a big mistake in 2004 by paying for Lundberg to re-train as a film maker. This we believe was a gross miscalculation on their part and provides even more evidence that MI5 disinformation is what Lundberg is part of. If Lundberg was a true “artist” as he claims, why would he be interested in the “UFO” subject for his film making? His latest film “Mirage Men”, promises to be a superb piece of disinformation. He has managed to interview some of the top names in Ufology; namely Bill Ryan and Richard Dolan. These individuals may well regret taking part in this programme as MI5 and Lundberg seem to have set out to debunk them.


read more..
http://www.richplanet.net/detail.php?dbindex=209


Roy spent months working out mathematical solutions to the patterns which have appeared in genuine crop circles.
He has written computer programmes which demonstrate that some kind of ''line scanning'' technology is being
employed to persuade the crop into place.

http://www.richplanet.net/detail.php?dbindex=213

'SNAP PAUL'...LOL..

The reference to Bill & Richard appearing in John Lundburgs latest
venture is a bit worrying and depends on what context they present
any information volenteered by any witness...
http://www.miragemen.com/

Seems like this is a old story....To do with 'Serpo in 2004'

MP: When John Lundberg and I set out on the journey that became Mirage Men we initially planned to raise some production funds for the film before starting shooting. But when the Serpo story fell, literally, into our laps, in the form of Bill Ryan, we decided to go with it and follow Bill to the Laughlin UFO conference – where, by coincidence or not, we found that Rick Doty would also be.
http://www.dailygrail.com/Interviews/2010/8/Mirage-Men

[ThePythonicCow]

Ooops looks like the agencies have taken it away ... sorry.
Was it the same video as this:


http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/34994/News_Crop_Circles_The_Hidden_Truth/
or this:

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or this:


http://www.colinandrews.net/HiddenTruthDVD.html

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P.S. -- Looks like Cidersomerset beat me to it :).

Or the same as the one's he links:

If you have not seen it before, this is a good documentry by Richard Hall about crop circles and the MI5 sponcered
Teams who create some of the man made ones in the UK...

[mojo]

In case anyone else was interested in the artifact that Pane described I found this small clip.

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[Calz]

Ooops looks like the agencies have taken it away ... sorry.
Was it the same video as this:


http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/34994/News_Crop_Circles_The_Hidden_Truth/
or this:

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or this:


http://www.colinandrews.net/HiddenTruthDVD.html

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P.S. -- Looks like Cidersomerset beat me to it :).

Or the same as the one's he links:

If you have not seen it before, this is a good documentry by Richard Hall about crop circles and the MI5 sponcered
Teams who create some of the man made ones in the UK...

Yes indeed.

Thanks to you both :thumb:

Take the time to watch all the parts as it is quite compelling.

[Calz]

Here is a bit of a "refresher" for this story.

First of all, Pane Andov was a previous Avalon member going back to the PA1 days. He posted a lot of stuff here (there).

mojo and I both ran threads regarding his work/theories. Some very interesting material there but what proved to be the most contentious aspect was his suggestion that our Sun would soon be going to "Red Giant" phase due to the "superstorm" arriving from the galactic center (by whatever name you wish to refer to it). For many it becomes the typical "baby/bathwater" thing.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25568-Pane-Andov-Our-Sun-becomes-a-Red-Giant-in-2012&highlight=andov


Part of his "proof" was based on the crop circle showing our solar system that was "updated" several days later showing a greatly expanded Sun without the inner planets.

Hence the suggestion to watch the video(s) on crop circles. I had always thought the real complex patterns to be well out of range for a few drunk lads having a laugh with planks in the middle of the night. Yes ... that still rings true.

When you pull in the alleged involvement of the intel agencies (mi5 or whatever) it changes the flavor of what exactly may be going on here.

Consider ... obvious interference from black-ops technology and multdimensionals with much of today's channeling (no I am not going down that road but drawing a comparison to make a point). Clearly the alarm bell rings that perhaps many are correct in that if humanity becomes convinced that the GFL (ninjas, 2nd coming or whatever) is going to be :pray:"saving":pray: us that takes away or diminishes the sense of responsibility to act on our own behalf to clean up the mess we now find ourselves in.

So ... reconsider the crop circle pattern again. What if it was done by intel for essentially the same purpose???

Hey ... Gaia will be toast within another year so why do anything about cleaning it up ... let's party like it's 1999 :party:

[Operator]

So ... reconsider the crop circle pattern again. What if it was done by intel for essentially the same purpose???


Remember the intro titles of the 2012 movie about what governments would do ?
I came to the conclusion that not EVERY government would do nothing. Some governments, or their white hats, are purposely leaking info.
It could be done this way

- for Plausible Deniability
- Because they are bullied by another country and have to do it covertly
- Because it's only a small white hat faction that has no formal outlet

[WHOMADEGOD]

Here is a bit of a "refresher" for this story.

First of all, Pane Andov was a previous Avalon member going back to the PA1 days. He posted a lot of stuff here (there).

mojo and I both ran threads regarding his work/theories. Some very interesting material there but what proved to be the most contentious aspect was his suggestion that our Sun would soon be going to "Red Giant" phase due to the "superstorm" arriving from the galactic center (by whatever name you wish to refer to it). For many it becomes the typical "baby/bathwater" thing.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25568-Pane-Andov-Our-Sun-becomes-a-Red-Giant-in-2012&highlight=andov


Part of his "proof" was based on the crop circle showing our solar system that was "updated" several days later showing a greatly expanded Sun without the inner planets.

Hence the suggestion to watch the video(s) on crop circles. I had always thought the real complex patterns to be well out of range for a few drunk lads having a laugh with planks in the middle of the night. Yes ... that still rings true.

When you pull in the alleged involvement of the intel agencies (mi5 or whatever) it changes the flavor of what exactly may be going on here.

Consider ... obvious interference from black-ops technology and multdimensionals with much of today's channeling (no I am not going down that road but drawing a comparison to make a point). Clearly the alarm bell rings that perhaps many are correct in that if humanity becomes convinced that the GFL (ninjas, 2nd coming or whatever) is going to be :pray:"saving":pray: us that takes away or diminishes the sense of responsibility to act on our own behalf to clean up the mess we now find ourselves in.

So ... reconsider the crop circle pattern again. What if it was done by intel for essentially the same purpose???

Hey ... Gaia will be toast within another year so why do anything about cleaning it up ... let's party like it's 1999 :party:

Hi Calz,

I wonder if you can help me or know of anyone else who can basically shed some light on an experience i was part of please?

In brief, a couple of years ago, i felt compelled to investigate Shamanism, i was directed to a local Shaman who communicated with my guide.
As it transpired i had an ancient magical entity attached to my solar plexus region, and that 2 lost soul parts wished to be integrated again but could not until this entity was removed.

After negotiation between the shaman and entity took place it was agreed that i was to bury it in after the extraction in its place of choosing within one month. I was told i would know where. That night i had a very lucid dream in which i was to observe the exact location of burial. I will not go into detail but it was to be in the centre of a crop circle in a specific location. The next morning i researched this location and it existed with a very recent crop circle. I almost fell off my chair!!!! And to make matters more interesting, it was well known (Unbeknown to me however), locally for Freemason rituals. In fact the crop circle photographer who was first on sit to take photos caught 3 orange orbs on camera. ( I have this picture).

I found the centre and buried this entity there, and that is the last so far I know of it.

I thought crop circles were anything from ET art, to Disinfo using de-engineered tech, or perhaps something to either raise our consciousness via ET or perhaps to have some effect on the planets energy? It appears to me now that it may also serve as a portal to entities or maybe that entity leached or added something to whatever process could be going on.

The crop circle by the way was very intricate and had a symbol very similar to a bio hazzard warning sign and in the centre i think an atomic sign?

Here is a link for the crop circle design:

http://sacredswan.ning.com/profiles/blogs/crop-circle-at-guys-cliffe-nr

Here is another with the Orange Orbs:

http://www.thetruthbehindthescenes.org/2010/07/29/orbs-photographed-over-crop-circle-at-guys-cliffe-near-old-milverton-warwickshire-uk-reported-on-saturday-10th-july-2010/

Any help would be great please.

Blessings

Mark

[Calz]

@ Mark

I know of a couple forum members who do serious shamanism work (likely a few more as well). The most advanced doesn't come here often but I can pass the message along to both and see if it leads anywhere.

Anyone else with any ideas please jump in.

Cal

[gooty64]

I borrowed this quote.


governments have been using dissinfomation since the dawn of man to keep the general public mocking and disbelieving the truth thats right before there eyes.

That's a very good documentary on crop circles!

[WHOMADEGOD]

@ Mark

I know of a couple forum members who do serious shamanism work (likely a few more as well). The most advanced doesn't come here often but I can pass the message along to both and see if it leads anywhere.

Anyone else with any ideas please jump in.

Cal

Thanks Cal I appreciate it, maybe i should just leave it but I guess I cant help myself! Too many questions...... I dont mind being a pawn piece in some grand design but I do mind being played for something nefarious although the shaman did tell me it wasnt evil, just very ancient? It was a black basketball sized Sphere with a ring of diamonds in its centre?

Weird i Know lol

[The One]

Love the crop circle phenomena especially this one

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[WHOMADEGOD]

Love the crop circle phenomena especially this one

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Ha Ha Ha, I laughed myself silly when i saw the title "Ancient Articfacts discovered under crop circles!"

Wouldn't be a basket containing an ancient energetic entity per chance!!! :o

[The One]

Love the crop circle phenomena especially this one

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Ha Ha Ha, I laughed myself silly when i saw the title "Ancient Articfacts discovered under crop circles!"

Wouldn't be a basket containing an ancient energetic entity per chance!!! :o

No it wouldnt you obviously dont know anything of this case:wizard:

[Solstyse]

This is a good video, thank you mojo.
I can count in Mayan now. :)


Being a general skeptic, crop cicles frustrate me. The man made ones are so obvious, it makes the real ones that much harder to explain.


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[Calz]

I wonder if you can help me or know of anyone else who can basically shed some light on an experience i was part of please?



Mark,

I sent a PM to the member who visits more rarely and posted in another thread to catch the attention of the other (where she does much of her posting).

Her reponse (and feel free to follow the link and make any reponse or other post in that thread ... Here and Now).

Hope this helps ... she infers she may be able to expand later ...

Cal






The extraction story i will comment on in more detail later as its late here.
But usually the practitioner deals with the removal and transfigures the energies
to make sure they are deal with.

Getting the client to bury them in the earth would not be my way of doing this,
unless they were experienced and i was directed by spirit to do so.
Even then the earth has been a dumping ground for earth bound spirits for way
too long, and partly why the energy is so dense here. We don't handle the death/
funeral process well at all in the west and spirits don't cross over properly,
why shamans these days are so busy, there is just not enough to do this work.

That's the short answer, but i can't really speak on someone else's guidance.

The "do no harm" to all concerned is one of the few rules, in shamanism,
if its harmful to anything by intent its called sorcery instead.

Other than specific techniques that have been used for thousands of years
this modality is very very fluid we deal with trusted helping spirit teachers,
who teach us directly. Why its known as the path of direct revelation.
The interpretation of events is often left up to the client to work through,
and it mostly comes in the form of metaphors, and stories that are very
specific for that persons healing and growth.

All IMO all the good practitioners always do follow up with their
clients to make sure all is well.

Especially after soul retrieval work as it can take months to re- integrate
the parts back into your life.

Not sure it any of this is any help,
i need more sleep now though,

Blessings,
Astrid

[WHOMADEGOD]

I wonder if you can help me or know of anyone else who can basically shed some light on an experience i was part of please?





Mark,

I sent a PM to the member who visits more rarely and posted in another thread to catch the attention of the other (where she does much of her posting).

Her reponse (and feel free to follow the link and make any reponse or other post in that thread ... Here and Now).

Hope this helps ... she infers she may be able to expand later ...

Cal






The extraction story i will comment on in more detail later as its late here.
But usually the practitioner deals with the removal and transfigures the energies
to make sure they are deal with.

Getting the client to bury them in the earth would not be my way of doing this,
unless they were experienced and i was directed by spirit to do so.
Even then the earth has been a dumping ground for earth bound spirits for way
too long, and partly why the energy is so dense here. We don't handle the death/
funeral process well at all in the west and spirits don't cross over properly,
why shamans these days are so busy, there is just not enough to do this work.

That's the short answer, but i can't really speak on someone else's guidance.

The "do no harm" to all concerned is one of the few rules, in shamanism,
if its harmful to anything by intent its called sorcery instead.

Other than specific techniques that have been used for thousands of years
this modality is very very fluid we deal with trusted helping spirit teachers,
who teach us directly. Why its known as the path of direct revelation.
The interpretation of events is often left up to the client to work through,
and it mostly comes in the form of metaphors, and stories that are very
specific for that persons healing and growth.

All IMO all the good practitioners always do follow up with their
clients to make sure all is well.

Especially after soul retrieval work as it can take months to re- integrate
the parts back into your life.

Not sure it any of this is any help,
i need more sleep now though,

Blessings,
Astrid

Thank you Astrid and again thank you Cal.

Just to confirm, it was not the shaman who suggested I bury the entity in the crop circle, it was shown to me by the entity during a dream. It was of a location I had absolutely no prior knowledge of and then shown a crop cicle and told ot had an energy signature.

When I awoke it took less than ten minutes to validate the precise location with a crop circle that was indeed present. For some unknown reason this entity wanted to be buried there?

Blessings

[WHOMADEGOD]

In case anyone else was interested in the artifact that Pane described I found this small clip.

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Just watched this and Pane answers part of my question, he believes that the crop circles are used as portals.

This would explain why the entity wanted to be buried in the centre of one that still had a strong energy (an energy signature lasts for approx two years, this crop circle had been formed only six months previously), this also resonates with my first impressions.

[Wind]

It would be really wonderful if Pane would join this forum once again, but I think he is a really busy man these days. If anyone here still happens to be in contact with him, could you please tell him that there are people who would want to learn more from him here on Avalon? That would be really appreciated.

[WhiteFeather]

Here's the complete video from Mr Astralwalker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q2Du_DkKbo

[Maia Gabrial]

I think it's funny that the orbs refused to have anything to do with that military bunch because they couldn't be trusted....Can't deceive intelligent beings when they're telepathic.... LOL!

[Calz]

It would be really wonderful if Pane would join this forum once again, but I think he is a really busy man these days. If anyone here still happens to be in contact with him, could you please tell him that there are people who would want to learn more from him here on Avalon? That would be really appreciated.


I doubt if he would be interested in coming back to the forum but I did exchange emails with him regarding mojo's Sun going red giant thread and asking if he could elaborate any more on that theory.

Here was his response:





Okay - Pane has indeed responded to my email:


Hi Cal,

IBEX has measured high energy fluxes along the galactic plane of the Milky Way. We are talking about few million degrees C hot cloud with extreme magnetic properties. Of course this is not a cloud but the spreading wave of energy from the explosion of the galactic core of the milky way in the distant past. Chandra team knows what is going on and that cosmic jet was ejected out from the Sgr A* but they are not allowed to talk about it.

So here is the situation we are facing: http://www.sciencedaily.com/images/2010/05/100521191114-large.jpg There is no chance that this wave will miss us.

Mainstream science does not deny that we will make a physical contact with this cloud. Deliberate false estimation of contact is given - 100 years in the future. In reality they either speculate or not telling the truth on purpose. 6 months of extensive scan by IBEX had shown how fast is moving - ancients and ETs are correct - estimate time of impact Dec 23 2012.

The temperature of the magnetic ribbon is Millions of degrees C. The temperature of the surface of the Sun is around 6000 C however the Sun's corona is by factor 200 hotter then the surface of the sun's plasma. Now facts: Science confirms existence of M. Ribbon at the border of our Heliosphere in the direction of the galactic plane, with extreme magnetic properties. Fact two: the surface of the sun is only 6000 C with only hot atmosphere around it.

The official science claims we will hit this interstellar cloud of energy in 100 y which is incorrect and it’s the spreading wave of energy of the Sgr A* outburst in distant past. So the contact with the sun is again a fact and science has no problem with it only the time of the contact. When a cloud highly highly magnetic with temperature of few millions degrees C will make physical contact with the plasma surface which is less than 6000 C it will change the rate how hydrogen is fusing into helium, eliminating the whole hydrogen in a matter of seconds, starting nuclear fusion between helium and carbon and moving our star from its main sequence into what is known red giant phase. As mentioned many time before the expansion phase will last few months when on March 28 2012 outer layer of our star will be released into space, or will die in order to be reborn again into white dwarf or baby star.

This spreading wave cannot just hit the sun and jump over us.

Which means it will hit Earth also. The temperature of Earth’s Thermosphere is around 1,500 °C. Again if a magnetic cloud millions of degrees C hits a density of atmospheric gas that has temperatures less then 1,500 °C it will deplete the whole atmosphere. And I do not want to comment further about this.

In other words, gov are not hiding anything, the data is all there - people just do not want to see it...because if they face the facts and what that means they will awake from the dream and realize that clock is ticking...

That is all the time I can dedicate to this at this moment...soon more and more evidence will surface into direction.

Don't fall for the deliberate attempts to ridicule the crop circle phenomena by the man made ones - its only distraction tactics. Be smart, prepare as much as you can.

God bless, P

[mojo]

Thank you for posting the additional info Cal...:)