Machine dated at 400 million years found in Russia!

[alxz]

http://brazilweirdnews.blogspot.com/2012/03/machine-dated-at-400-million-years.html


RUSSIA. In the remote Kamchatka peninsula (map below), 200 km from Tigil, University of St. Petersburg archaeologists discovered a strange fossil. The authenticity of the find has been certified. According archaeologist Yuri Golubev, occurs that, in this case the discovery surprised scientists by its nature, at least - unusual, able to change history (or pre-history).


It is not the first time that is an artifact, an ancient object, something like this is found in that region. But, surprisingly conserved, this specific artifact is - at first glance, inlaid in rock (which is understandable since the peninsula is home to numerous volcanoes). Subjected to analysis, the conjunct showed to be made of metal parts that seem to form a mechanism, a gear which may be of a type of watch or computer. The astonishing is that all the pieces were dated in 400 million! of anos.Yury Gobulev commented:


We got a call from the prefec of Tigil. He told us that hikers that were walking in place, found these remains in rock. We went to the place indicated, and initially we not understand what we saw. There were - hundreds of toothed cylinders which appeared to be parts of a machine.

They were in perfect state of conservation, as if they were frozen in a short period of time. It was necessary control the area, because soon the curious began to appear in large numbers. Other scientists, americans geologists, defined the piece as an amazing and mysterious artifact.


Nobody could believe that 400 million years ago could have existed on Earth even a man [even more a machine]. At that time, the forms of vida were very simple, but the finding, [simply] - clearly suggests the existence of intelligent beings capable of such technology. Certainly, such beings would had come from other planets. It is possible that a spaceship can had was damaged [or there was an accident] and it was abandoned in place


It was found also that the parts have reached to the fossilization state in a period of time historicaly and geologically short. Possibly, the "machine" fell into a swamp. Despite the findings, cautious, scientists prefer to consider that the evidences are not definitive - yet. And Gobulev ponders: Refuse the existence of technology [even in past as indented] is a serious mistake because evolution is not linear.

[fox.mulder]

Apparently these are crinoids. More BS..........when will it ever stop on this site?

[aranuk]

Amazing.

Stan

[TargeT]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-r9DmHL9_Sqk/T1g6KbR_ncI/AAAAAAAAB8w/yiAj1sRzp1w/s400/kamchatka01russia.jpg

crinoid fossils

check your sources & especially question them if the are A) that poorly written and B) when they are called brazilweirdnews.blogspot.com


Apparently these are crinoids. More BS..........when will it ever stop on this site?

sometimes we get a little sloppy from time to time, can't double check everything i guess?

[Intranuclear]

Please check out the site related to crinoids: http://petrifiedwoodmuseum.org/OrdovicianGalleryOhio2.htm

[Tarka the Duck]

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These are crinoids...

[aranuk]

So what is a crinoid then in common language?

Stan

[Hervé]

So what is a crinoid then in common language?

Stan

Sometimes, Google can be your friend...

[aranuk]

Thanks. I'll have another cup of coffee and then wake up. I'm half awake.

Stan

[Explodey]

My calculator watch I had in the early eighties was was much more intricate - but not so waterproof :(

[NeverMind]

So what is a crinoid then in common language?

Stan

To keep it simple: they are marine animals. :-)

By the way, the main photo in the gallery that Intranuclear posted - here it is again: http://petrifiedwoodmuseum.org/OrdovicianGalleryOhio2.htm - is fabulous because it shows you what looks like scattered pieces of machinery.
It's not, they are all animals.

[andrewgreen]

It will never stop because people into conspiracies want to consider the improbable which is why were here. People post things to to discuss possibilities and gather evidence that that can lead to a de-validation of an idea.
Your input here could have been positive in that regard yet you used one 'bad post' (in your opinion) to attempt to undermine the whole site. I suggest a change of attitude or finding somewhere like the BBC where you would get a narrower range of news that may be more palatable for you.

[Delight]

It will never stop because people into conspiracies want to consider the improbable which is why were here.

To consider the improbable and to investigate with an open mind is valuable in my opinion. Here is a repost of an old story that appeared in about 2002. It is about a relief map found in the Urals and said to be 120 million years old. When I looked at it, it just looked like waethering to me. Yet, I would really ike there to be a high civilization 120 million yeras ago. The story never developed. The page I am posting is just a repeat of the earlier post. Yet, maybe I am incorrect and this is a map, not weathered rock.

http://mannaismayaadventure.com/2011/09/28/11586/

I feel no shame at seriously entertaining any improbability and I feel no shame at being corrected by more information. I refuse to be shouted down or made to feel stupid either. If a person derives any satisfaction from being right or any discomfort at being wrong in the field, both are Egotisistically focused.

[NeverMind]

I feel no shame at seriously entertaining any improbability and I feel no shame at being corrected by more information. I refuse to be shouted down or made to feel stupid either.

Nor should you. Well done.
Speaking personally, if people, including my colleagues, only knew the kind of "improbabilities" (the quotation marks are optional) I entertain on a daily basis, most of them would probably lose their last shred of respect for me and my rational mind.
Luckily, it's not their respect that I am after. :)

[Mulder]

I've found almost everything that comes out of Russia turns out to be a fraud or "hyped-up" like the Anastasia books (e.g. the author claimed these books will be the biggest selling books in history.")
I've lived in Russia and the Ukraine & I know many Russians are "grasping at straws" and live in a "dream world" of their own importance (probably like people in every country) so you can't believe them at face value. e.g.


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[noxon medem]

- In nature and mechanical design
there are only a few forms to choose from
basicly, and then the combine , to infinity .....

..

"Man" must allways have been in communication
direct with "nature" and many "mechanical" ideas
are admittedly inspired by natures workings
( outer and inner ..).

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[Delight]

In nature and mechanical design
there are only a few forms to choose from
and the combine , to infinity .....

Man has allways been in communication
with "nature" and many "mechanical" ideas
are admittedly inspired by natures workings
( outer and inner ..).

The reason that people come to the Avalon community is because there is an open space here to bat around the ideas that we are drawn to explore beyond the already established. Some here are already well equipped to extract, understand and use the secrets lying around us like pebbles on a beach. These are the Wise to those who have also chosen to appreciate the unknown. These way showers look like Fools to people entranced by the established reality.

Nevermind says she has a larger perspective than the "rational mind" and Mulder states that the Russian "mind" may hold a larger content of irrationality than is promoted in the west. To be a strong investigator into both "nature's working" and the truth, it really needs the whole brain. To find new information and access visions one has to use irrational right brain and to make sense and utilize for practical purposes in 3D one has to use the left brain.

There is some overlap of confusion because people do sometimes project the "known" onto to the "unknown" and are misguided.

There are absolute liars who will try to con people but I do not think this is the case where irrational visions have not yet been backed with left brain application or people were just not informed well enough. I absolutely love being in the midst of those who do not know everything already but know more than I know and can help my learning curve in balancing my own mind. .

[NeverMind]

I have to say that almost everything that comes out of Russia turns out to be a fraud or "hyped-up" like the Anastasia books. I'm someone who has lived for over a year in Russia and I know many Russians are "grasping at straws" so you can't believe them at face value.

Yeah, but they also have, and have had, many of the most scarily brilliant scientific minds in the world, not much of which ever seeps through to the West through normal media.
Their schooling is exemplary in its intellectual rigour.
They certainly shouldn't be judged by what is published in compendia of wisdom a la Pravda.

On the other hand, there is the profound religious spirit characteristic of many Russians - and their awareness of aspects unseen with the naked eye.
An interesting combination, explosively productive, at least potentially.


To be a strong investigator into both "nature's working" and the truth, it really needs the whole brain. To find new information and access visions one has to use irrational right brain and to make sense and utilize for practical purposes in 3D one has to use the left brain.
There is some overlap of confusion because people do sometimes project the "known" onto to the "unknown" and are misguided.

SO true.

[Dennis Leahy]

...I feel no shame at seriously entertaining any improbability and I feel no shame at being corrected by more information. I refuse to be shouted down or made to feel stupid either.

Those into fossils know instantly these are crinoid "stem" sections, but for those that don't, they look like marvelously precise toothed gears from a machine.

Another direction this could go is to be awed at how complex life forms were 400 million years ago. This was an animal that looked like a plant, (nicknamed a "sea lily") with a 'holdfast' structure that looked like a plant's root system, a cylindrical body column that looked like a plant stalk, and a top portion (with a mouth and anus, surrounded by delicate feather-like arms) that looked like something between a flower and a sea fan. Marvelous critters! Amazing cellular diversification for 400 million years ago!

Have you ever heard of the human body referred to as a "machine?" In that sense, aren't all the forms of life on the planet, extinct and extant, wonderful machines? I'd guess the little disks that formed the body column worked kind of like a spinal column: rigid enough to hold this critter's head upright (where it's arms probably sifted and caught plankton), and flexible enough to allow the animal to sway in the the ocean's mighty currents without breaking (proving Lao Tzu right.)

We've got to be gentle with one another when we point out fallacies and mistakes. All of us have a teeny tiny bit of knowledge - diverse among us as a group. We gain strength when combining our knowledge, and need an environment where we can be wrong without heavy recourse. Please be gentle with me the next 741 trillion times that I make a mistake. :~)

Dennis

[Mike]

...I feel no shame at seriously entertaining any improbability and I feel no shame at being corrected by more information. I refuse to be shouted down or made to feel stupid either.

Those into fossils know instantly these are crinoid "stem" sections, but for those that don't, they look like marvelously precise toothed gears from a machine.

Another direction this could go is to be awed at how complex life forms were 400 million years ago. This was an animal that looked like a plant, (nicknamed a "sea lily") with a 'holdfast' structure that looked like a plant's root system, a cylindrical body column that looked like a plant stalk, and a top portion (with a mouth and anus, surrounded by delicate feather-like arms) that looked like something between a flower and a sea fan. Marvelous critters! Amazing cellular diversification for 400 million years ago!

Have you ever heard of the human body referred to as a "machine?" In that sense, aren't all the forms of life on the planet, extinct and extant, wonderful machines? I'd guess the little disks that formed the body column worked kind of like a spinal column: rigid enough to hold this critter's head upright (where it's arms probably sifted and caught plankton), and flexible enough to allow the animal to sway in the the ocean's mighty currents without breaking (proving Lao Tzu right.)

We've got to be gentle with one another when we point out fallacies and mistakes. All of us have a teeny tiny bit of knowledge - diverse among us as a group. We gain strength when combining our knowledge, and need an environment where we can be wrong without heavy recourse. Please be gentle with me the next 741 trillion times that I make a mistake. :~)

Dennis



"Crinoid stem sections???" did you just casually draw that from some easily accessible rolodex in your mind, Dennis? you realize that you've just indirectly confessed to being a gigantic nerd, right?:)

though it might make you a few bucks on Jeopardy one day.( "i'll take crinoid stem sections for a thousand ,Alex. <opponents audibly groan>)

[Dennis Leahy]

Those into fossils know instantly these are crinoid "stem" sections, but for those that don't, they look like marvelously precise toothed gears from a machine.



"Crinoid stem sections???" did you just casually draw that from some easily accessible rolodex in your mind, Dennis? you realize that you've just indirectly confessed to being a gigantic nerd, right?:)

though it might make you a few bucks on Jeopardy one day.( "i'll take crinoid stem sections for a thousand ,Alex. <opponents audibly groan>)
hehehehehehehe Thanks, Chinaski!

Me? A nerd? Naw, if that was true, I'd have called the top of the crinoid a "calyx."

I think the main advantage to (probably) being ADD is having multiple interests to flit between. One was fossils.

Quick story:
About 25 years ago, I moved to Chicago from Southern California. (That is, I moved from relatively modern marine mammal fossils, like whale bone, to an area with quarries where I could go back in time 500 million years - if only I knew where to go and if only I could gain access.)

On a lark, I called the Field Museum of Natural History, and asked to speak with their paleontology department. I got some guy on the phone, told him I was new to the area, and asked him if he knew of any good places to go fossil hunting. He said, "Yes, but it is very difficult to get access." After a few more minutes of talking to him, he had offered to take me with him on a fossil collecting trip. At that moment, I didn't understand the significance of getting access into the property of the Braidwood Nuclear Power Plant grounds, built upon tailing piles from coal extraction. I would be going to "Pit 11", the premiere site on the planet (that I know of) for finding fossils of soft-bodied creatures, such as several species of jellyfish, marine worms, and a creature nicknamed a "Tully Monster." Pit 11 is to jellyfish fossils as Olduvai Gorge in Africa is to hominid fossils. If you've ever seen a dead jellyfish, stranded on a beach, after even a few hours in the sun, you'll know why nature preserving jellyfish fossils is kind of a miracle.

After a couple of trips collecting with this fellow (Frank Green), he invited me back to the Field Museum to look at fossils. I got to go into the back where the fossil preparators were busy slowly exposing fossils from the matrix rock. Then, we went down an elevator into a sub-basement. Hallways lined with drawers. Drawers full of fossils. Rare fossils. After allowing me to ooh and aaah for a while, Frank went to one specific drawer, and pulled out one specific fossil, and placed it in my hand. It was the "type specimen" - the finest example in the world of that species. I was holding the best preserved Reticulomedusa Greenei that had ever been found, handed to me by the man the fossil was named after.

Uh oh, does that confirm my nerdosity? Nerdus giganticus?

Dennis

[Mike]

any nerdus giganticus in pit 11?:)

awesome story. the chances of a guy from outta town getting that unique privilege as the result of a quick phone call...pretty cool synchronicity. i love hearing stuff like that.

i just googled the Reticulumedusa Greenei, and your post is already the 6th most popular information source listed. not a very popular fish, eh? LOL

if anything, that story reaffirms your 'hipness' in my book. besides, i can't really talk: i just recently had a funny back n forth with Borden over our comic book nerd-dom (oops, have i outed you Borden?!?) he's a marvel guy n i'm d.c., but we've decided to provide a fine example for the forum and the world by not starting world war 3 over it:)

[Mu2143]

http://www.sciencephoto.com/image/156476/530wm/C0093863-Crinoid_Fossil_Pieces-SPL.jpg

http://www.thetruthbehindthescenes.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/kamchatka01russia.jpg

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7763/600pxfossilelaudonompha.jpg

http://northtexasfossils.com/fieldtrips/2005-11-19/2005-11-19-crinoids.jpg

[Krullenjongen]

I am very curious on how they dated this artifact?
As far as i know you can't data the rock they found it in because it has been there much longer than the artifact and you can't data the metal either because that existed (in the rocks) long before the artifact was made from the metal.
So how did they date it?

[Dennis Leahy]

I am very curious on how they dated this artifact?
As far as i know you can't data the rock they found it in because it has been there much longer than the artifact and you can't data the metal either because that existed (in the rocks) long before the artifact was made from the metal.
So how did they date it?
Geologists, paleontologists, and anthropologists always want to know exactly where an object (rock, fossil, shard of pottery, bone, metal or stone tool, etc.) came from. There are other scientific methods than "carbon-14 dating" for determining the age of some objects, but that is the most common for objects that have carbon in them (such as ancient Kauri trees unearthed from a bog in New Zealand, or the hair of a wooly mammoth.) If there is no carbon, they can't measure how much the carbon has decayed, so the next best clue is exactly which layer of Earth the object was found in. Geologists have mapped-out much of the Earth (at least the inhabited and accessible parts), and know which layers are exposed in a given location.

Hard to believe that any Russian anthropologist would have confused crinoid stem sections for sentient, toolmaking beings' toothed gears "turned to stone", so I'll bet the original story has been greatly embellished - and made to sound more authentic by stating this was a find by anthropologists.

Dennis

[Unified Serenity]

I'd love to sit down over a cup of java with you Dennis and listen to some of your stories about these things. I'm fascinated by this sort of synchronicity of events that open these doors and the information that can be gleaned. Thanks for sharing this story, and explaining about the chinoids. I too just googled Reticulomedusa Greenei.

[Dennis Leahy]

I'd love to sit down over a cup of java with you Dennis and listen to some of your stories about these things. I'm fascinated by this sort of synchronicity of events that open these doors and the information that can be gleaned. Thanks for sharing this story, and explaining about the chinoids. I too just googled Reticulomedusa Greenei.
Fire up the coffee my friend, but let's make a whole pot! And, for at least half the pot, I want to be the listener!

Dennis

[Delight]

I'd love to sit down over a cup of java with you Dennis and listen to some of your stories about these things. I'm fascinated by this sort of synchronicity of events that open these doors and the information that can be gleaned. Thanks for sharing this story, and explaining about the chinoids. I too just googled Reticulomedusa Greenei.
Fire up the coffee my friend, but let's make a whole pot! And, for at least half the pot, I want to be the listener!

Dennis

United Serenity and Dennis...tape that conversation! The story you told about the Field Museum connection was fun and your facts are fine grained....

[aquamarine]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism#Origins





hello peeps i thought id add these links to an early machine discovered in greece that might add another route to this thread and thankyou for starting this thread alxz xxx blessed be aquamarine

[Osiris]

Yuri Gobulev of St. Petersburg University is a physicist not an archaeologist.

[TargeT]

I am very curious on how they dated this artifact?
As far as i know you can't data the rock they found it in because it has been there much longer than the artifact and you can't data the metal either because that existed (in the rocks) long before the artifact was made from the metal.
So how did they date it?
Geologists, paleontologists, and anthropologists always want to know exactly where an object (rock, fossil, shard of pottery, bone, metal or stone tool, etc.) came from. There are other scientific methods than "carbon-14 dating" for determining the age of some objects, but that is the most common for objects that have carbon in them (such as ancient Kauri trees unearthed from a bog in New Zealand, or the hair of a wooly mammoth.) If there is no carbon, they can't measure how much the carbon has decayed, so the next best clue is exactly which layer of Earth the object was found in. Geologists have mapped-out much of the Earth (at least the inhabited and accessible parts), and know which layers are exposed in a given location.

Hard to believe that any Russian anthropologist would have confused crinoid stem sections for sentient, toolmaking beings' toothed gears "turned to stone", so I'll bet the original story has been greatly embellished - and made to sound more authentic by stating this was a find by anthropologists.

Dennis

"there are no answers, only choices"



The Sun is changing the rate of radioactive decay, and breaking the rules of chemistry
The Sun is changing the supposedly constant rates of decay of radioactive elements, and we have absolutely no idea why. But an entirely unknown particle could be behind it. Plus, this discovery could help us predict deadly solar flares.

It's one of the most basic concepts in all of chemistry: Radioactive elements decay at a constant rate. If that weren't the case, carbon-14 dating wouldn't tell us anything reliable about the age of archaeological materials, and every chemotherapy treatment would be a gamble. It's such a fundamental assumption that scientists don't even bother testing it anymore. That's why researchers had to stumble upon this discovery in the most unlikely of ways.

http://io9.com/5619954/the-sun-is-changing-the-rate-of-radioactive-decay-and-breaking-the-rules-of-chemistry