Question for those with Off World Souls

[DreamsInDigital]

Not that I see this as a bad thing, I'm just trying to understand it more from others point of views. Others that know they are not "from here". As far as I understand it, this is perfectly normal but I find it frustrating at the same time.

For those that KNOW you're not "from here", as you grow and your vibration raises etc, do you find it harder to relate,communicate or even be around those that are of a lower vibration?

And, I don't mean in a "looking down" or "condescending" kind of way.

[HORIZONS]

Yes! Without a doubt I find it extremely difficult to be around people that have a lower vibration and energy signature - so much so that I ended up moving way out in the country away from it all. Venturing in to urban and populated areas is a challenge to be sure - I can deal with it alright, but I don't want to live in it any longer like I used to - not unless I am at the beach, then all is well in the sun and surf.

[<8>]

Dear DreamsInDigital...

Even though I understand your question I think it's important to point out that no one are really from earth.(or any planet for that matter )
Having said that, I have in the last years got a homesickness that literally aren't from this world.
I personally think when you really understand that you are not your body, you are ready to move on..:phone:

..8..

[DreamsInDigital]

Yes, certainly. I agree. I suppose I should have maybe worded it slightly different. But, I have found a real distinction between those that Know/Are Aware and those that don't know yet/aren't aware yet. The question though was specifically directed towards those that are already aware/know. :)

[meat suit]

hi Dreams,
I can totally relate to all of the above, my entire live has been structured as a coping mechanism with being from out there. I found it good to live in a different country and speak a different language so that I can be 'alien/foreign' there. kind of works...also being in the arts and alternative music helps..
I have to say that I havent watched the idiot box for a year, stopped alcohol one year ago, started yoga and joined Avalon...all has helped too...

the really annoying thing is that my star family dont get in touch with me.......

cheers

meat

[HORIZONS]

hi Dreams,
I can totally relate to all of the above, my entire live has been structured as a coping mechanism with being from out there. I found it good to live in a different country and speak a different language so that I can be 'alien/foreign' there. kind of works...also being in the arts and alternative music helps..
I have to say that I havent watched the idiot box for a year, stopped alcohol one year ago, started yoga and joined Avalon...all has helped too...

the really annoying thing is that my star family dont get in touch with me.......

cheers

meat

I agree - arts, playing/creating music and no TV helps a lot. :thumb:

[<8>]

hi Dreams,
I can totally relate to all of the above, my entire live has been structured as a coping mechanism with being from out there. I found it good to live in a different country and speak a different language so that I can be 'alien/foreign' there. kind of works...also being in the arts and alternative music helps..
I have to say that I havent watched the idiot box for a year, stopped alcohol one year ago, started yoga and joined Avalon...all has helped too...

the really annoying thing is that my star family dont get in touch with me.......

cheers

meat


Hi Meat...


Would you care to or could you elaborate on your star family..??

P.S.. I hope we don't leaving the main topic..

..8..

[meat suit]

hi 8,

sorry, I should have added 'whoever they are'
I seem to have incarnated on the wrong side of the firewall....so, no real cue...kind of waiting for contact...

[dim]

it's torment

[WhiteFeather]

Yes, highly difficult but doable. Meditating, being close to nature and music is my Saviour from these lower frequencies. After becoming a vegetarian also increased my frequencies and it got a lot harder to cope with the lower vibrations on this plane. I'm hanging in there though.

[<8>]

hi 8,

sorry, I should have added 'whoever they are'
I seem to have incarnated on the wrong side of the firewall....so, no real cue...kind of waiting for contact...

I understand..

I do think most of us have a star family, that we spent a lot of time with and there are a pretty good chance they looking at us right now. (I know I would:photo:)
But at the same time I think they have to leav us alone, because I would not get anything done if I know for sure my family was just out of reach.

..8..

[karelia]

In all those years on this planet in this body, I've not managed to actually comprehend what's probably considered "normal human beings" by the vast majority of people. Their tendency to judge everyone by how much money they have; their outright refusal to take responsibility for their actions, let alone themselves; the complete thoughtlessness when it comes to conscious living, and on and on it goes. Are they not curious about their origin? Don't they want to become better people? I guess I'll remain forever bewildered, lol.

[Mike]

i can't say with any sort of certainly that i'm an off worlder, or that i'm a star seed etc etc.

but i can say with certainty that i've never really jelled with my fellow man. even as a boy, i've always felt something wasn't 'right'. i can be reclusive and slightly misanthropic, but never really hateful. bottom line: i've never felt entirely comfortable here. and by 'here' i guess i mean earth.

Mickey Rourke had this great quote...he was going through a particularly difficult time in his life, and a reporter asked him if he was suicidal. his response was priceless. he said "no, i was never suicidal, i just wanted to DISAPPEAR."

f#cking briliant. wish i'd said it. echos exactly how i've felt at times.

[Beren]

Listening to you all here has made me feel kinda homesick.
As someone said Earth or any other world isn`t ours. Ours is heavens from where we came.

Every call that was , from every teacher,prophet ,saint was a call to soul to remember its origins and find solace.
I for one miss the awareness of my family.

Really they are one thought away but while in this body it`s hard to decipher the language of the soul.
Hence I chose to take a quantum leap forward!

:)

[Mike]

it's torment


i particularly like this post here from dim.

short, sweet n right to the point:)

[greybeard]

Scott Kiloby says a lot in his pre sobriety part of this interview that I can identify with.
Many who have an drink/drug addiction are escaping from this world--- they just dont feel at home,
Its a fascinating story regarding his "journey" to enlightenment,

Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SU0KkuLZstE

[Mike]

i'm off to work in a moment, but i'm really looking forward to watching this later tonight. thanks for posting, Greybeard.

i wholeheartedly agree with the premise--the not feeling 'at home' bit. perhaps the "escape" so often talked about when it comes to booze n drugs is much wider in scope.

[meeradas]

i can't say with any sort of certainly that i'm an off worlder, or that i'm a star seed etc etc.

but i can say with certainty that i've never really jelled with my fellow man. even as a boy, i've always felt something wasn't 'right'. i can be reclusive and slightly misanthropic, but never really hateful. bottom line: i've never felt entirely comfortable here. and by 'here' i guess i mean earth.

Mickey Rourke had this great quote...he was going through a particularly difficult time in his life, and a reporter asked him if he was suicidal. his response was priceless. he said "no, i was never suicidal, i just wanted to DISSAPEAR."

f#cking briliant. wish i'd said it. echos exactly how i've felt at times.

Yep, that's it for me, too.

I used "i want to vanish without a trace".

Nowadays i don't think about off-world origins any more; rather:
The 'alienation' doesn't come from this not being the right place,
but from seemingly being confined to the concept of being confined to the vessel and the persona - that is the oddest thing of all.
One couldn't make that one up. It just doesn't make sense. It's wrong.
Only good that this is vanishing... only too slowly for the concept.

To answer the question:
It has always been a pain 'lowering your vibration' to be functional 'here'.
Didn't ever work.

Essentially: "The un-enlightened life sucks".

[Rollo]

When I'm reading your posts I'm wondering how did you find out about the fact that planet Earth isn't your home. It was a feeling, some event which reminded you about your roots or you just know it.

Rollo

[meat suit]

maybe we are experience recorders.....

tell you what meat,
we got a great assignment for ya.... we got a contract for a few 3d meat suits down at the hairy level... its about 80 years, you wont know who you are, where you are, how it all works etc. it will be rough.... anyway get in there, see how it works, see if you can improve the situation the system is in.. and learn all the 3d skills, so we can go and build a couple of 3d habitats.....oh yeah, and throw some genes into the mix for the next generation of meat suits.....
ok, cool I do that...80 years..thats only about a week at 8th density.....what could possibly go wrong....
well.....we cant talk to ya while you re in and you wont meet the others.....so try to remember: dont f##k up, or you get bad karma and have to go back in to fix it.... have fun...
cheers, see ya in a week.....

[johnf]

Thank you DID, for the topic, and Greybeard for the phenomenal video which for me helps to cut to the core of this issue.
I have always felt like I don't belong here , and before I dealt with my addiction issues, I often used the idea od "bening an alien" or the idea of "I am not from" around here as an escape , and it comes up in various forms now.
I have found the feelings of being in a lower vibration world/society to be the most dangerous form of this urge to escape.
I need to judge things to keep that perception, and I need to percieve "other" beings and objects outside myself in order to have that thought. I am still experiencing a lot of fear around not being able to connect with others and society in ways that are real and necessary to my survival as a physical being, which I think is the most valuble tool to learn that there is.
I intend to watch more of this video in the days to come and will probably come up with more things to say on this topic. I wish all who read this thread progress through their own lessons on this subject.

[kcbc2010]

Like others have mentioned, I just never fit in. My big thing is that I know this isn't home and wanting to go back. I know, instinctively, that being inside this female body feels really unnatural, so I suspect that usually I choose male bodies. I notice that other people just don't seem to have the same kind of problems fitting into their bodies. I look forward to sleeping because I can leave my body and not have to worry about being attached to it and functional in the 3-D world.

There wasn't one EVENT that clued me in, but a series of impressions that never really seem to go away. Like feeling out of place in 21st century America, which is my home. There are days when I feel like a relic and I'm really not that old in comparison to most people. And, I felt that way even when I was young. A big thing for me was starting a dream journal and now, years later, I'm really taking a look at the places I go and the things I do and it's been very revealing.

[karelia]

When I'm reading your posts I'm wondering how did you find out about the fact that planet Earth isn't your home. It was a feeling, some event which reminded you about your roots or you just know it.

Rollo

Good question. I guess it's different for everyone.

Personally, I never felt at home since I can remember. It wasn't just an abusive childhood but the whole concept of living, hm, I guess constricted would be the word, felt utterly wrong. When I was about six or eight, I was taken aboard a ship for some lessons. It wasn't an abduction; rather, it was not only education but also a kind of confirmation that it was all right to feel alien here. For years, I thought it had been a dream. Then I met someone and recognized him from that ship. He remembered, too. Throughout the years, to this day, I've been collecting pieces of the puzzle, and a few years ago I just suddenly knew without the shadow of a doubt that I wasn't "local." Since then, more pieces have fallen into place, and lately, that speed has been accelerating.

[Beren]

A very interesting thing here is that we all share the sentiment.
Sure we argue about things on the forum and beliefs and rest but when this sort of time - out comes ,we sit down around the camp fire of our souls and open up.
And this really comforts me, this opening up. Realization that we are all brothers and sisters and that we actually love each other.

Tomorrow we may jump to the fire again but today and now- we are showing our true heart and soul- we are loving each other.
We are Love.

Earth is a home for my body but not for my soul.
When you read last book in Bible ,about at the end there is a marvelous scene where city of God comes down from heaven to earth.
For me it paints the picture of a journey of a soul.

From fall out of oneness into duality of knowledge of good and evil to rebirth into Christ like humans who are reunited with God and again in oneness - returning to Earth in glory-only enriched with the experience of numerous lives in duality.

Brothers and sisters- I love you all.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlDWXv-cIh8

[Maia Gabrial]

As a child I had asked my mother if I was adopted because I didn't feel like I belonged to the family. She called me silly. I still don't feel as though I belong here....

[HORIZONS]

As a child I had asked my mother if I was adopted because I didn't feel like I belonged to the family. She called me silly. I still don't feel as though I belong here....

That's funny - I did the same thing - and still I wonder... LOL! ;)

[Sebastion]

Well then, that makes three of us who asked the same question and received the same response!






As a child I had asked my mother if I was adopted because I didn't feel like I belonged to the family. She called me silly. I still don't feel as though I belong here....

That's funny - I did the same thing - and still I wonder... LOL! ;)

[K626]

Not that I see this as a bad thing, I'm just trying to understand it more from others point of views. Others that know they are not "from here". As far as I understand it, this is perfectly normal but I find it frustrating at the same time.

For those that KNOW you're not "from here", as you grow and your vibration raises etc, do you find it harder to relate,communicate or even be around those that are of a lower vibration?

And, I don't mean in a "looking down" or "condescending" kind of way.

The real problem is that you know when you are around certain types that your own energy signature is being weakened and you lose clarity which it sometimes takes days to bring back to balance. However in saying that I don't mind if I can benefit others (sometimes at my expense). But it's tiring yes and all too predictable when you know certain types will 'act out' all their issues/fears onto you. I seem to have been training myself since I was very young to let such moments ride and become diffuse.



Peace

K

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As a child I had asked my mother if I was adopted because I didn't feel like I belonged to the family. She called me silly. I still don't feel as though I belong here....

Those that are of the mountain wolf ache for the mountain.


Think there comes a moment when you see that the feeling of 'belonging' and 'not belonging' is completely self-generated. It's like an old ritual or a forest path that one knows well and then one day one veers off into the woods.

Peace

K

[jjjones]

life is quite a journey and a helluva trek. we chose this route and nobody said it was going to be easy. yes it is quite taxing to be with polarities that surround us. Take a deep inhale and give a slow exhale and visualize the light engulfing them and leading them into awareness. we are not forgotten and are being guided if we pay attention in silence. Namaste, love and peace universally :)

[johnf]

I have had more than one experience, when I felt I had gotten through my own fears and beliefs, that had this "feeling" (perhaps lack thereof) that I was in a larger ,cleaner space than before ,and that more spaciousness in which to encounter life was always the right direction. Scott repeats this for me in his video, and I have run into it in various forms, one of which was a definition of "you". That was You are the space in which truth shows up. So when i experience fear I have an opportunity to remember that when I am feeling that I need to be more than that or experience something more than what I am experiencing. Often the thing filling up my inner space is some form of the idea that I am not enough. It is oftenmuch easier to put something in between me and that belief/feeling and other peoples actions have seemed to come in handy for that. My current practice is to try to remember in the moment before I judge someone else as lower vibration or less aware or something is that they are enough, and exactly what they need to be in that moment. I think this will make it more likely to get through my own story of how I am not enough.

[modwiz]

I am here to be with and help Gaia, our Mother-Animal-Planet. I believe many of us are. I may not resonate too well with many of the inhabitants and their culture, but I love and adore this beautiful planet. This planet makes me appreciate my body. The scent of Her flowers, the many shapes, contours and textures of Her body are ambrosia and bliss to my 'being'. The delightful warmth of the Sun, the shade of trees, the howl of the winds through forests and through valleys as well the the loving caress of breezes on my skin. The flights of birds, the productive buzz and hum of bees working their sweet magic to benefit both flower and me.

I could go on and on. Delicious food from rich soil full of nutrition and health promoting goodness. The earthworms that make it all possible doing their humble, but life giving purpose. In closing, this off world soul has found a wonderful soul in Gaia to work with. I am not lost. Being so would make me a victim, of sorts, and that would never do.

[K626]

I am here to be with and help Gaia, our Mother-Animal-Planet. I believe many of us are. I may not resonate too well with many of the inhabitants and their culture, but I love and adore this beautiful planet. This planet makes me appreciate my body. The scent of Her flowers, the many shapes, contours and textures of Her body are ambrosia and bliss to my 'being'. The delightful warmth of the Sun, the shade of trees, the howl of the winds through forests and through valleys as well the the loving caress of breezes on my skin. The flights of birds, the productive buzz and hum of bees working their sweet magic to benefit both flower and me.

I could go on and on. Delicious food from rich soil full of nutrition and health promoting goodness. The earthworms that make it all possible doing their humble, but life giving purpose. In closing, this off world soul has found a wonderful soul in Gaia to work with. I am not lost. Being so would make me a victim, of sorts, and that would never do.

Good stuff M.


K

[Wind]

Life sure hasn't been easy. I've always felt that I'm an alien who doesn't belong here. Since childhood I have always looked at the stars knowing that my "home" is there... Many times I have felt sadness, and I have really never been comfortable in my body due to the vibrations of this planet. It feels like it's too solid for me... If you know what I mean.

The Law of One says this:

Questioner: Do many of these Wanderers have physical ailments in this third-density situation?

Ra: I am Ra. Due to the extreme variance between the vibratory distortions of third density and those of the more dense densities, if you will, Wanderers have as a general rule some form of handicap, difficulty, or feeling of alienation which is severe. The most common of these difficulties are alienation, the reaction against the planetary vibration by personality disorders, as you would call them, and body complex ailments indicating difficulty in adjustment to the planetary vibrations such as allergies, as you would call them.

When I first read that sentence I truly knew who I was, after that I knew that I had a purpose. It still brings tears to my eyes.

[Anchor]

Not that I see this as a bad thing, I'm just trying to understand it more from others point of views. Others that know they are not "from here". As far as I understand it, this is perfectly normal but I find it frustrating at the same time.

For those that KNOW you're not "from here", as you grow and your vibration raises etc, do you find it harder to relate,communicate or even be around those that are of a lower vibration?

And, I don't mean in a "looking down" or "condescending" kind of way.

Yes.

Consequently, I am a bit of a loner.

I was so lucky to find a partner who is also a wanderer - so at least we can go about our path together.

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the really annoying thing is that my star family dont get in touch with me.......

Well perhaps you need to get in touch with them.

[karelia]

<respectfully snipped> In closing, this off world soul has found a wonderful soul in Gaia to work with. I am not lost. Being so would make me a victim, of sorts, and that would never do.

I hear you loud and clear. No matter how hard certain "powers" tried, I'm not a victim either. I believe that is exactly the reason they target so many of us. But they don't succeed. And they won't. Because by our vary nature, we are not victims.

[johnf]

I am here to be with and help Gaia, our Mother-Animal-Planet. I believe many of us are. I may not resonate too well with many of the inhabitants and their culture, but I love and adore this beautiful planet. This planet makes me appreciate my body. The scent of Her flowers, the many shapes, contours and textures of Her body are ambrosia and bliss to my 'being'. The delightful warmth of the Sun, the shade of trees, the howl of the winds through forests and through valleys as well the the loving caress of breezes on my skin. The flights of birds, the productive buzz and hum of bees working their sweet magic to benefit both flower and me.

I could go on and on. Delicious food from rich soil full of nutrition and health promoting goodness. The earthworms that make it all possible doing their humble, but life giving purpose. In closing, this off world soul has found a wonderful soul in Gaia to work with. I am not lost. Being so would make me a victim, of sorts, and that would never do.
I have definitely found that to notice and apreciate nature, and to practice gratitude for being her in nature even while I must experience the abuses our technocracy visits upon it, is some of the best medicine that is freely available here.

[greybeard]

Avalon has been invaluable to me as persons share as they do on this thread.
I have not met that many face to face whom I can identify with in this way.
I can understand others fine and get along quite well BUT!!
There is that sense of not being like the majority in the way that I perceive life-- thats fact, no judgment implied.
Right from childhood there was that sense on being different which led to loneliness-- the alcohol helped in my teens to begin with.
Im ok with others now but it ( the desire to fit) led, for a while, to being a people pleaser.
Fortunately through reading positive thinking books then spiritual ones I have a quiet confidence.
Coming to realize I am not the body released me from fear, most apprehension is related to the body and how we appear to others. (image)
Now, others opinion of me is none of my business-- smiling
Do I come from another planet?
I dont know.
I do know I belong to God.
There is great peace in that.

Thanks to all who share

Regards Chris

[Beren]

Not that I see this as a bad thing, I'm just trying to understand it more from others point of views. Others that know they are not "from here". As far as I understand it, this is perfectly normal but I find it frustrating at the same time.

For those that KNOW you're not "from here", as you grow and your vibration raises etc, do you find it harder to relate,communicate or even be around those that are of a lower vibration?

And, I don't mean in a "looking down" or "condescending" kind of way.


It`s painful at times and sometimes I have this feeling -a voice inside which quietly hums :"Oh children...what are you doing? Will you ever learn?"

Those are the moments of high stream connection and there are moments of low stream when I observe myself doing things which are not me.
I see them and don`t like them but somehow this low vibration keep going on...
Often I felt that I had to lower my being or vibration in order to hang on with crew while younger, or to just be on low bar just to blend into the world.
I never felt a part of this world .
In my poems I portrait the world of my soul.

Hence that conscious choice of quantum leap forward to full ability while in body as in soul alone.

[TraineeHuman]

For me, a big part of the adventure of volunteering to come to this planet was learning to handle the heavy density of human negativity. Things like insults, rejection, betrayal, blind stupidity, abuse, and also occasionally being treated precisely as if you must be horribly deformed or something, even though you do your best to blend in while staying true to yourself.

Over many years I’ve eventually – and gradually -- learnt to stay inwardly joyful in spite of all such “downers”, all such intended or unintended hurts. Anything that gets hurt or insulted or whatever is just part of the ego, so it’s best to simply let it go. (Maybe one can even come to admit that the dislike is nothing more than just another form of attachment too.) In recent years that has made me stronger every time, and has made the inner peace stronger.

In the Spirituality thread ‘The journey to discovering my true origins’, I’ve already talked about being “different” and about realizing I’m never alone in the universe, and hence can’t feel loneliness any more. Loneliness is just a part of the matrix, and it’s just a special form of depression that one is “supposed to feel” in certain circumstances.

How did I know for sure that I wasn’t from this planet? Primarily from intensively exploring my past lifetimes, though also from other feedback from the most gifted psychics I’ve met and also from what my guardian angels and spirit guides have directly told me. Also from the whole process of discovering who am I.

In the late seventies I intensively explored the whole issue of past lifetimes. The experts with the biggest reputations in my country all agreed on certain points – such as that they could find no trace of sexuality in any of my past lives. Although most of them assumed I had had some previous human lifetimes, they also agreed on such points as that I “lived in close communication with the fairies, and was like one of them” in all my previous lifetimes. They were also all appalled at what they clairvoyantly saw as my ignorance when it came to instinctive knowledge of “(human) life”. Some actually said that I had had fewer human lifetimes than anyone they had ever met.

Through a very long process that involved endless self-enquiry and remembering of details from chains of past lifetimes, and also with the help of some genuine psychics and through learning to sometimes clearly hear direct communication from my three guardian angels, I eventually had no conclusion other than that this is my first lifetime on this planet. And that in some ways I didn’t volunteer to come here to help others so much as to gather certain kinds of information.

[Snowbird]

You're like a fish out of water....have you always lived on earth....are you from here....do you belong here on earth....? These statements/questions, I have been hearing and experiencing since I was a child. Learning to be tough was the most difficult lessen and once tough, I had to learn to tone it down again. What I've never been able to be, is like those others. It just doesn't work. I'm made different. Now that I'm older, I have attained a balance that allows me to be myself and continue to increase my vibrational frequency, all the while be around and with those who are just now beginning to raise their own. I used to be inwardly tormented by these because they were so difficult to deal with. Now, that I have sufficiently raised that frequency up and beyond where it was and have now experienced a break-through, I understand that I too just came through what the others are now experiencing. I now have a much higher degree of compassion and patience.

I'm excited about the future because I now understand the essence of what and who I really am. I know from where I stem and I now understand that I am different from even the many starseeds here now. It's the understanding that helps. I know that I have had visits with my real people while meditating and sleeping, but I don't remember. If I had remembered, I would not have wanted to return here to this environment. This 3D environment is as tough as it gets.

[Kimberley]

Great Great Thread!!! Thank you DID for starting it!!!

First what a joy (and a relief) to see this high vibrating sharing of who we have come to know we are and how we continue to become more aware of who we are all the time! Congratulations!

For the record...now at this time of my life on planet earth I am THRILLED to be here and am having a blast watching how "things" are playing out in perfect divine order!!!

However, I thought/felt that this place/planet was HORRIBLE and MEAN and CRUEL... etc my early years... I thought how did I get here and what did I do to deserve this??? I thought about how I could kill myself (with out any pain) until my second year of college. I did try to slit my wrists at age 10, with a broken ceramic cup...It hurt to much... so that didn't work.

The summer after my first year in college I knew 3 people that killed themselves a few weeks apart. And learned for me that that was a "selfish" act, in my feelings...so stopped thinking about suicide after that summer. And am so thankful for those that agreed to be in and out of my life for me to learn. However, I still was not very happy being "here".

I currently am SO VERY GRATEFUL to be in communion with hundred of fabulous loving humans here on planet earth, however hardly any of them are in my physical space. It has been my/our ability to connect via the internet that has allowed this to happen for me and so many others I know. Avalon is one of those places. I am here to teach and to learn and thank you one and all for who you ARE!!!

And yes I do find it very "challenging" to be in lower vibrating energies...however even though I could easily retreat and be a hermit...that is not what I signed up to do..I know I signed up to hold and emanate love and peace as far and wide as possible...so I do that to the best of my ability. And thank all of us that are here doing the same!!! I personally could not do it or be having as much fun without YOU !!! And it is because of YOU that I am able to continue to be in the world and not of it.

I have no clue where I am "from" although I know I signed up to be here now (and that you did also)!!! And I know that the best of the best are here right NOW. I/we have "work" to still do, however lets try our best to have as much fun with it as possible and remember to always BE the change we expect for the "world". !!!

Much love to us all! Always in all ways!!!
Whoo hooo what a ride!!! :hug: :luv:

[ghostrider]

I have empathy for those with lower vibrations, they can't help it , they've been mind controlled for so long and don't want to leave the matrix. some are so asleep they still believe the government is there to take care of them, oil is the cause for war, bankers have all the money, and whatever Nasa says is LAW. I try and tell them the government wants them dead, war is a distraction to hide where the money goes ( building D.U.M.B. S. ) and bankers are puppets of the NWO, and Nasa is just a movie company not located in Hollywood. I like to say ( you have no idea what you don't know ) ... just believe the opposite of whatever the news says, and the government . they're frequency is so low , the only thing they want is their next beer and a new cell phone.

[BlueGem]

DiD,

I commend you for such a thought-provoking thread. For lots of people, it feels like they are merely waiting for something while they play out the turns of everyday life. I can relate to this on a personal level as well. For most people reading this, they will already have a well-established sense of duty; a feeling of responsibility for simply being, merely because their surroundings would not function as they did without their being present.

With this, definitely comes a sense of detachment. To be fair, it's a lot to process at times. It's easy to become frustrated or disenfranchised. Look at this time as a 'decompression period', or a time of subliminal change. That's how I'm getting through it anyway

Do what feels right.

[Carmody]

Surely you can't be Sirian!

Yes I am, and stop calling me Shirley!

[Cjay]

I'm not from here, originally but I feel that I belong here. I'm here for the long haul. The faint-hearted, tired, it's all too hopeless/too hard, get me outta here types can leave any time. Go on, shoo! See ya later. I'm not interested in a get out of chaos free quick ascension card. My work here is only just beginning.

I think the terminology "raising vibrational frequency" is wrong and very misleading. People just repeat such phrases without really thinking about what it means.

A better expression of the goal would be raising awareness, expanding consciousness, increasing empathy, being more aware of and taking responsibility for our impact on all other beings, the environment, the Earth, the Universe. In addition, being more considerate, more calm yet more energetic, more caring, more compassionate, more tolerant, less reactive, less irritable, less angry, less judgemental, less rude, less hurtful, more constructive, less destructive, less aggressive, more peaceful, more trusting, more trustworthy, less sneaky, more joyful, more open, more honest, more kind, more loving.

Ask your higher self (another misleading term)... ask your inner self, is it right or wrong, is it good or bad, is it true or false? Most of the time we KNOW the answer but often ignore it and do the opposite of what we know we should do. I don't mean to be self-righteous. I'm not. I am as human and fallible as the rest of you. Except YOU. Eek, how did YOU get in here? YOU make the rest of us look bad. Sigh. I make lots of mistakes, do lots of wrong things, knowingly. I occasionally lose my temper. I really am trying to BE a better human and help others do the same. It's a tough job sometimes but I would be very bored if it was easy.

[Sidney]

When you know, you just know. I know, and yes it is difficult trying to blend in to the earths current "society" if that is what you call it. I have always been thee black sheep, the misfit, different. and I do know why, because i am able to communicate with other-worldly beings. Its hard, because I can't tell anyone, for fear of being locked up. The things in our lives seem so very trivial to me, and all I am able to think about lately is the esoteric side of reality, which nobody I know would ever give a rats arse about,let alone even begin to know how to understand. Instead of teaching our kids math and social studies bla bla, we should be teaching them meditation, how to use the third eye, our REAL history (whatever it may be, but its not what they teach us in history c lass) you get my drift. It is an endless daily trip to hell for me.

[Snowbird]

Not that I see this as a bad thing, I'm just trying to understand it more from others point of views. Others that know they are not "from here". As far as I understand it, this is perfectly normal but I find it frustrating at the same time.

For those that KNOW you're not "from here", as you grow and your vibration raises etc, do you find it harder to relate,communicate or even be around those that are of a lower vibration?

And, I don't mean in a "looking down" or "condescending" kind of way.

I really should add DID, that even though I have a greater degree of compassion for those whose vibration is lower than my own, I do very much love the peace and quiet and solitude of being separated from them. :lol:

[Carmen]

Hey Shirley, that was a good laugh!!

[puurfectten]

hey guys..i really don't find it hard at all..actually seems to be much easier as i work on myself to enjoy others..the good and bad of it...we as a species can really only progress as fast as we all can..i just try to really touch as many people as i can..i actually enjoy getting into many of the insaine debates with people just so i can help them see how crazy it is...not much to be bothered about i just stay on the path...:))..

[Carmody]

Surely you can't be Sirian!

Yes I am, and stop calling me Shirley!


It comes from this:

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As for Sirian, it comes as a form of affirmation from two sources. On one forum, a person scanned me, and told me I was Sirian. But so does my entire astrological chart. (say the same)

The second more interesting thing, is in the 'question of lithium (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17872-The-Question-of-Lithium--Alchemy-dimensions-shapeshifters-aliens-existence-reality..-)' thread (post #2), where I was manifesting a recognizable presence. When I did this, I had been very busy stripping away my 'human self' to the core components and was manifesting as a seen being..but the golemic or tulpa presence... was of my primal, original form. Sirian.

[Cilka]

I think that we are all from here, from planet Earth, it's just that we are starting to remember what it used to be like before when there was paradise on planet Earth. We were not this enslaved in 3D, we were limitless and free, and that can actually be achieved here in 3D without going to a 4D or 5d like many suggest. I think that knowing deep down how great it could be here and could have always been here, this is waking us up and we just don't want to feel like participating in this prison anymore. Playing the game of nonsense is draining to our souls.

I guess we have to be a little more patient to get to where we know we should be . Just dont jump on the next spacecraft or walk through a portal to 5D.

[TraineeHuman]

Indeed, Cjay, a major reason why any ET soul has incarnated here is to create more positive energy and positive effects. However, I would say that:

the most positive thing anyone can possibly do is expose and face the worst negativity.

Simply facing something does of course change it, at a subtle level. I believe that was a big part of the initial purpose behind Avalon and Camelot.

The way I see it, you or me simply exposing and facing the sordid details of political misbehavior won’t make it go away. However, it will bring real changes to the combined soul or consciousness of humanity. I claim it will make it significantly harder for such misbehavior to be repeated. The changes will be subtle, and will indeed be at a higher “frequency” (though I would claim once you get to the sixth dimension, that’s beyond any frequencies, but I digress).

Maybe one in a hundred thousand of the population in certain countries is an Avalon member. Maybe ten times that many have been a member at some time, or belong to a similar forum or have access to similar information. The way I see it, if one of us has a “level” of awareness, in relation to some issue, that’s one-in-a-thousand, then roughly speaking in the combined human consciousness that person’s awareness is equivalent to about a thousand average people. In this way, I believe that ET incarnates make an impact even through their awareness alone.

And yes, before you or I face anything, there’s fear. That fear is, among other things, the impulse to run away, plus the impulse to freeze in the sense of changing nothing and ignoring the problem. It takes courage. The courage doesn’t make the fear go away, but it overcomes it.

Once one does face the negativity, there’s pain. I would say the trick is to make the pain last as briefly as possible. You do that by facing the issue fully. It is what it is. The fear and the pain are real -- until they also are fully faced, and then they disappear.

And yes, we do feel that so many things are just “not right”. We feel that way because somewhere in our memory we strongly feel we know that somehow a more utopian sort of society is normal, and right, and surely not so hard to achieve in the near future.

[songsfortheotherkind]

For those that KNOW you're not "from here", as you grow and your vibration raises etc, do you find it harder to relate,communicate or even be around those that are of a lower vibration? And, I don't mean in a "looking down" or "condescending" kind of way.

Yes. Yes. Yes. It's the reason I came to PA, I'm looking to connect with others that are feeling the increase in vibration, the rekindling of memory, the uplink getting stronger and, for me at least, increasing connection with places that feel like 'home' in an energetic sense. Gaia is 'home' in an ancient sense, but the dominant paradigm, collective consciousness (or lack thereof, more accurately) and energetic dissonance here is making here feel less and less like home as things progress.

[TelosianEmbrace]

It is a joy to be able to share with you. Each of us have lived so many years of isolation and sweet sorrow. Yet now, we are finding each other, and the veils between us and between our star family are rapidly falling away. If I could give you all this, it would be the knowledge that we are not alone, no matter how dark and lonely our paths have been. And, forgive me for saying this, but any choice we have made, anything we have done in this lower realm in the end will mean absolutely nothing! It is all quite funny, from one perspective!

I have taken on immense pain and suffering, often at the hands of those I had been vulnerable to, my father, my mother, my brothers and sisters. I have been on the brink many times. I remember sitting by the train tracks, at Mitcham. Waiting for the next train. Just a few steps and it would all be over. Just a few steps and all the pain would end. And as the train raced towards where I was sitting, crouched on the embankment, I thought of my mother, and of what it would do to her if I went like this.... and the train passed.

I know that within me is something more powerful than all the illusions the pod people give their energies to. I know that one day I shall stand and be heard, and one day the bullies and liars will be cowed by their own miserable reflections and ready for something more than the shallow joys of money and power. No matter what happens, one day we will all return Home. All of us.

This assignment within this society has been very difficult, yet dare I say it? After the Change there may just still be some darkness in the universe. Other assignments, other lifetimes, other opportunities to uplift other worlds, or even other galaxies. You, as Star Children, will be given opportunities to incarnate in these other systems of darkness. To act as Beacons of Light for others. And dare I say it, every time you volunteer, your soul is beaten and quenched, forged in the veritable fires of an Orionian hell. Each time, the fibre of your being can experience and transform greater and greater torment. Until one day, in some far distant corner of the universe, the darkest hole of the soul will be brought, kicking and screaming, to the light of self awareness.

You are the most powerful being in the universe.

[songsfortheotherkind]

hi Dreams,
I can totally relate to all of the above, my entire live has been structured as a coping mechanism with being from out there. I found it good to live in a different country and speak a different language so that I can be 'alien/foreign' there. kind of works...also being in the arts and alternative music helps..

*nodding* I have recently begun to seriously consider moving overseas for the 'alien/foreign' aspect, although I am not sure this is going to happen; more and more I find myself connecting with my 'out there' family/Self, which in its own way is beginning to feel like having 'moved overseas' anyway. :)


the really annoying thing is that my star family dont get in touch with me.......

I used to think mine weren't around either, until something in my life happened and my signal changed- suddenly, there they were, delighted that I'd been able to clear the noise and finally hear them.

May I offer a possible assistance? Are you familiar with 'tuning' water, as in connecting with it and sending your intentions into it, asking it to hold the space for what you are intending/visioning? My entire family has learned to do it and really, really interesting things are happening; what I suggest is that you 'tune' the water to your Otherkind genetics/energy and ask for everything that is getting in the way of you connecting with your ability to access that side of you to be dissolved. My adventures in connecting with the water this way have gotten *really* interesting- now when I show up to connect with the water I'm transported in consciousness straight to another planet. I simply can't tune the water to here anymore- seems Gaia has decided to tap into some of her *own* resources offworld and the water is following... *grinning*

[songsfortheotherkind]

I am here to be with and help Gaia, our Mother-Animal-Planet. I believe many of us are. I may not resonate too well with many of the inhabitants and their culture, but I love and adore this beautiful planet. This planet makes me appreciate my body. The scent of Her flowers, the many shapes, contours and textures of Her body are ambrosia and bliss to my 'being'. The delightful warmth of the Sun, the shade of trees, the howl of the winds through forests and through valleys as well the the loving caress of breezes on my skin. The flights of birds, the productive buzz and hum of bees working their sweet magic to benefit both flower and me.

I could go on and on. Delicious food from rich soil full of nutrition and health promoting goodness. The earthworms that make it all possible doing their humble, but life giving purpose. In closing, this off world soul has found a wonderful soul in Gaia to work with. I am not lost. Being so would make me a victim, of sorts, and that would never do.

This is a gorgeous, gorgeous post. I resonate with it completely- I have always loved Gaia, without her spirit none of this would be possible. It's not her Avatar that is challenging, it's the dominant life form that I have had to learn to be careful around.

[songsfortheotherkind]

However, it will bring real changes to the combined soul or consciousness of humanity. I claim it will make it significantly harder for such misbehavior to be repeated. The changes will be subtle, and will indeed be at a higher “frequency” <snip>.

It depends on your memories, experience, perspective; like the Architect said, 'do you really think this is the FIRST time this has happened?' No, in my multiverse this is the 6th attempt in a very, very long effort at assisting homo sapiens to evolution; joyfully, in this incarnation I've been shown it's the last. Quits have been called! Chips left to fall where they may. No more sacrificing Otherkind/starkind for homo sapiens. I'm totally ok with that. :)

[Soul Safari]

hi Dreams,
I can totally relate to all of the above, my entire live has been structured as a coping mechanism with being from out there. I found it good to live in a different country and speak a different language so that I can be 'alien/foreign' there. kind of works...also being in the arts and alternative music helps..
I have to say that I havent watched the idiot box for a year, stopped alcohol one year ago, started yoga and joined Avalon...all has helped too...

the really annoying thing is that my star family dont get in touch with me.......

cheers

meat

I agree - arts, playing/creating music and no TV helps a lot. :thumb:


Looks like we're all on the same page then!


Im currently on my travels round Asia. Armed with a digital and fim camera which helps me with too much spare time on my hands. Once home, I'm locked in the studio with Soul, Funk & Reggae vinyl and sketch book out. NO TV of course! Being creative saved me from the ratrace of London that i live in.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Some personal perspective: I'm an Otherkind/Starkind hybrid. Otherkind is my way of describing the Beings that were here before homo sapiens and their makers. Otherkind are the physical races that have been bastardised, mythologised or squashed into nothingness; they are the part of the Original 'races' here, their genetic material was used in part to assist in the creation of homo sapiens after the first attempts went badly, they are the reason homo sapiens can breed, as well as other things. Starkind is something different, some of them Beings that have often had long association with Gaia (from the beginning, when this whole project was initiated) and consider this place to also be Home. There are lots of different Starkind, some of the ones I'm associated with have blue energy bodies and don't incarnate, others do. I initially had a great deal of difficulty with the human genetics, it's much better as I've gotten older (my eyes don't hurt as much now when I go out in the sun either, it used to be excruciating every time)- recently things have been getting *much* more interesting because I'm actively using water tuning to amp up/switch on my Otherkind genetics. I am over looking like a human, I want my fluidform back.

I have always, always known I was Otherkind, not human, it was one of the first things I said. My childhood was violent and brutal and for a long time I simply wanted to go home- now I'm having a ball seeing how Other I can possibly trigger and be, I'm prepared to withdraw from human eyes and simply connect over the Internet if I end up being able to wrangle the DNA enough to trigger a massive physiological transform. I'm really, really ready for the next bit now, I'm kind of done with the 'oh noes, it's all pear shaped and spikey!' that I've lived through most of my life. :)

[Dennis-G]

I would encourage you not to lament other worlds and other times, you will return soon enough. You chose this world at this time to live in, to learn, to love, to grow. Embrace what you have chosen and become that highest vision of yourself that led you to choose this experience.


In all those years on this planet in this body, I've not managed to actually comprehend what's probably considered "normal human beings" by the vast majority of people. Their tendency to judge everyone by how much money they have; their outright refusal to take responsibility for their actions, let alone themselves; the complete thoughtlessness when it comes to conscious living, and on and on it goes. Are they not curious about their origin? Don't they want to become better people? I guess I'll remain forever bewildered, lol.

I would say they are not because they believe they know their origin, and they believe it to be carnal.

[WHOMADEGOD]

I am here to be with and help Gaia, our Mother-Animal-Planet. I believe many of us are. I may not resonate too well with many of the inhabitants and their culture, but I love and adore this beautiful planet. This planet makes me appreciate my body. The scent of Her flowers, the many shapes, contours and textures of Her body are ambrosia and bliss to my 'being'. The delightful warmth of the Sun, the shade of trees, the howl of the winds through forests and through valleys as well the the loving caress of breezes on my skin. The flights of birds, the productive buzz and hum of bees working their sweet magic to benefit both flower and me.

I could go on and on. Delicious food from rich soil full of nutrition and health promoting goodness. The earthworms that make it all possible doing their humble, but life giving purpose. In closing, this off world soul has found a wonderful soul in Gaia to work with. I am not lost. Being so would make me a victim, of sorts, and that would never do.

Thanks Modwiz, you have truly hit the nail on the head!

I have never understood if why I feel so distant and alone to society and yet so close to this planet and its beauty and wonder?

I panic when around other people as if I have a huge neon sign saying "Phoney Human!". I have always been polite, over accomodating and where my heart on my sleeve but because of the mentality of the general western public I have also had to prepared to fight back as I have simply been taken advantage of for this. As a direct result I have becomd something I am not. I dont understand any of this madness, and I always help those in need. I cannot even walk past an insect in trouble, I cannot do it, and then I am regarded as a nutjob by others, how can this be right, this is not my home world....

Blessings

Mark

[Tony]

It seems to me that it doesn't matter where we came from. Under a stone, or deep in the universe...the past is dead and there is only now.

We don't need to understand our past to understand our now.
We merely have to look at our attitude now – and what we are holding on to – and that will reveal our past.
It is here where we are working. If we hold on to the past, our futures will have the same confusions as we have now...
It is only in the now that we experience genuine knowledge, genuine wisdom. Thinking about the past is merely holding onto concepts, ideas, beliefs and...dare I say it...fantasies.

It doesn't matter where we came from because, being infinite beings, we have come from an infinite number of places – there is no home! Of course, we are all aliens!
Just beware of wishful thinking...

Home is our pure nature.

What we are talking about here is our existence in a physical body, and as long as we cling to that, we will suffer.

There is no place where we should be but here! Now! Facing now with as much courage as we can muster.
Every moment is an opportunity to tear down our facades.
Don't let anyone control your mind through sentimentality...

[modwiz]

It seems to me that it doesn't matter where we came from. Under a stone, or deep in the universe...the past is dead and there is only now.

We don't need to understand our past to understand our now.
We merely have to look at our attitude now – and what we are holding on to – and that will reveal our past.
It is here where we are working. If we hold on to the past, our futures will have the same confusions as we have now...
It is only in the now that we experience genuine knowledge, genuine wisdom. Thinking about the past is merely holding onto concepts, ideas, beliefs and...dare I say it...fantasies.

It doesn't matter where we came from because, being infinite beings, we have come from an infinite number of places – there is no home! Of course, we are all aliens!
Just beware of wishful thinking...

Home is our pure nature.

What we are talking about here is our existence in a physical body, and as long as we cling to that, we will suffer.

There is no place where we should be but here! Now! Facing now with as much courage as we can muster.
Every moment is an opportunity to tear down our facades.
Don't let anyone control your mind through sentimentality...

Thank you for that, Pie Guy. What you have said is another angle and complementary way of what my words were. The whole point being, we are where we belong at this time. I am not lost even if I feel surrounded by the souls who are really. Lost is generally a temporary condition unless it kills you.

I am never late, nor am I early............and so on.:wizard:

[WHOMADEGOD]

It seems to me that it doesn't matter where we came from. Under a stone, or deep in the universe...the past is dead and there is only now.

We don't need to understand our past to understand our now.
We merely have to look at our attitude now – and what we are holding on to – and that will reveal our past.
It is here where we are working. If we hold on to the past, our futures will have the same confusions as we have now...
It is only in the now that we experience genuine knowledge, genuine wisdom. Thinking about the past is merely holding onto concepts, ideas, beliefs and...dare I say it...fantasies.

It doesn't matter where we came from because, being infinite beings, we have come from an infinite number of places – there is no home! Of course, we are all aliens!;)
Just beware of wishful thinking...

Home is our pure nature.

What we are talking about here is our existence in a physical body, and as long as we cling to that, we will suffer.

There is no place where we should be but here! Now! Facing now with as much courage as we can muster.
Every moment is an opportunity to tear down our facades.
Don't let anyone control your mind through sentimentality...

Ahem, thats what I meant to say, infact I could not of put it any better, no really I could not have put it any better

[TraineeHuman]

Well, I would say that it’s easy to misunderstand what living in the now means. Since there is nothing else than the now, living in the now simply means (truly) living.

Barry Long used to be my spiritual teacher for a number of years. Actually, he was also Eckhart Tolle’s teacher. It seems to me that most of the most central material in Tolle’s teaching was taken straight from Barry’s teaching. (See www.barrylong.org (http://www.barrylong.org).) And although I suspect Barry was far wiser and more realised than Tolle, I’d like to describe an example of where I know that Barry’s advice to “live in the now” was harmful and wrong.

At the time I had recently split up with my ex-wife. Barry’s advice was to totally wipe her memory from my mind. When I poked my nose out my door, Barry said, I was not to know anything about my old life, and in particular about my former marriage.

Years later, I clearly realised that Barry’s advice had led me to strongly repress all the issues relating to my ex-wife and just leave them unresolved, sitting in my subconscious. Years later, I finally became directly aware of how damaging to me it had been to do so, and at last I managed to work through most of the issues. (Thank goodness I have a great memory.)

That’s one reason why I say that a person is only enlightened and liberated and realised to the extent to which they are free from their entanglements to their past. And since nobody is totally liberated and realised, that makes dealing with our entanglements with the past essential. Nobody I’ve met has ever totally buried their past ("yet”). It’s a slow, lifelong process, and a very important one.

[Sidney]

It seems to me that it doesn't matter where we came from. Under a stone, or deep in the universe...the past is dead and there is only now.

We don't need to understand our past to understand our now.
We merely have to look at our attitude now – and what we are holding on to – and that will reveal our past.
It is here where we are working. If we hold on to the past, our futures will have the same confusions as we have now...
It is only in the now that we experience genuine knowledge, genuine wisdom. Thinking about the past is merely holding onto concepts, ideas, beliefs and...dare I say it...fantasies.

It doesn't matter where we came from because, being infinite beings, we have come from an infinite number of places – there is no home! Of course, we are all aliens!
Just beware of wishful thinking...

Home is our pure nature.

What we are talking about here is our existence in a physical body, and as long as we cling to that, we will suffer.

There is no place where we should be but here! Now! Facing now with as much courage as we can muster.
Every moment is an opportunity to tear down our facades.
Don't let anyone control your mind through sentimentality...


It matters to me

[doyle]

I totally agree,since waking up and my research/meditation increasing so increases the gap between me and my none awake friends i even tried for many years to forget and redumb down rejoin the fold just for a more simple albeit naive life now i enjoy feeling different and also enjoy the odd rant with my awake friend just to realease the heavyness of soceity
After the christmas time reading done by eternal one on here i was toold i may be from andromeda and couldnt beleive the uncannyness of the personality type to mine almost 90% correct id say but hey maybe i wanted it to be correct or maybe im andromedan i certainly feel andromedan at times

[Tony]

It seems to me that it doesn't matter where we came from. Under a stone, or deep in the universe...the past is dead and there is only now.

We don't need to understand our past to understand our now.
We merely have to look at our attitude now – and what we are holding on to – and that will reveal our past.
It is here where we are working. If we hold on to the past, our futures will have the same confusions as we have now...
It is only in the now that we experience genuine knowledge, genuine wisdom. Thinking about the past is merely holding onto concepts, ideas, beliefs and...dare I say it...fantasies.

It doesn't matter where we came from because, being infinite beings, we have come from an infinite number of places – there is no home! Of course, we are all aliens!
Just beware of wishful thinking...

Home is our pure nature.

What we are talking about here is our existence in a physical body, and as long as we cling to that, we will suffer.

There is no place where we should be but here! Now! Facing now with as much courage as we can muster.
Every moment is an opportunity to tear down our facades.
Don't let anyone control your mind through sentimentality...


It matters to me

How will you ever 'know'?

[modwiz]

I totally agree,since waking up and my research/meditation increasing so increases the gap between me and my none awake friends i even tried for many years to forget and redumb down rejoin the fold just for a more simple albeit naive life now i enjoy feeling different and also enjoy the odd rant with my awake friend just to realease the heavyness of soceity
After the christmas time reading done by eternal one on here i was toold i may be from andromeda and couldnt beleive the uncannyness of the personality type to mine almost 90% correct id say but hey maybe i wanted it to be correct or maybe im andromedan i certainly feel andromedan at times

I got a reading too. I was from Pvila. One or two other Avalonians sourced from there. I will avow the correct feel of the description. What amuses me is that even among the many starseeds that were read for, I was still in a tiny, almost non-existent, minority. It is well that I am a hermit type and enjoy my own company, as well as all of the rest of creation seen and unseen. I see a theme and it all works out just fine.

[jorr lundstrom]

It seems to me that it doesn't matter where we came from. Under a stone, or deep in the universe...the past is dead and there is only now.

We don't need to understand our past to understand our now.
We merely have to look at our attitude now – and what we are holding on to – and that will reveal our past.
It is here where we are working. If we hold on to the past, our futures will have the same confusions as we have now...
It is only in the now that we experience genuine knowledge, genuine wisdom. Thinking about the past is merely holding onto concepts, ideas, beliefs and...dare I say it...fantasies.

It doesn't matter where we came from because, being infinite beings, we have come from an infinite number of places – there is no home! Of course, we are all aliens!
Just beware of wishful thinking...

Home is our pure nature.

What we are talking about here is our existence in a physical body, and as long as we cling to that, we will suffer.

There is no place where we should be but here! Now! Facing now with as much courage as we can muster.
Every moment is an opportunity to tear down our facades.
Don't let anyone control your mind through sentimentality...


It matters to me

How will you ever 'know'?


It seems it matter to Starchild now, bringing in the
question :How will you ever 'know'? is leaving this moment.


Jorr

[Tarka the Duck]

@ Starchild

It matters to me

Interesting.
Does it cause you pain to know that you will never know, unequivocally, where you came from? Beyond a feeling - or is a feeling sufficient?


I shouldn't presume, but I will anyway...I presume that most here on this forum feel a sense of alienation from this world - that's why they ended up here!
I do worry a little, from reading some comments on this thread, that people are cutting themselves off from the conventional world: it seems to cause them unbearable pain to mix with what may be called the unawakened. Wouldn't the tale about the benefit of putting leather on our own feet to protect them from stones, rather than trying to cover the world in leather, be of value here?

Can anyone tell me why there seems to be a general feeling that the places some of you think you came from offer a better existence than the one we have here?
How do you know that your current incarnation isn't the pinnacle of existence? Not in the sense that everything is perfect here, but that here we have a chance to really work on what matters. Inner work.

Any Pie said, if we live in in infinite universe, there is no doubt that we have had existences in every conceivable location.
But, for me, it's what we do with the current one, now, that is of vital importance.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Scott Kiloby says a lot in his pre sobriety part of this interview that I can identify with.
Many who have an drink/drug addiction are escaping from this world--- they just dont feel at home,
Its a fascinating story regarding his "journey" to enlightenment,

Chris





http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SU0KkuLZstE

I see this happen every day at work and i completely agree, as far as the ones mentioned seeing and hearing things is a dead giveaway for me as well. Most of them are very sensitive people who just cant handle the many hardships they endure or witness on this bluegreen spaceball. They just want to escape this reality, if all means(dope, booze, meds) fail it seems like their personalities just kinda "split off". Very hard indeed.

[Anchor]

I shouldn't presume, but I will anyway...I presume that most here on this forum feel a sense of alienation from this world - that's why they ended up here!

This forum is a force multiplier. It gets things done. It helps me. Nothing to do with alienation - I've learned to live in my body and on this planet. I had a few test runs before this one.


I do worry a little, from reading some comments on this thread, that people are cutting themselves off from the conventional world: it seems to cause them unbearable pain to mix with what may be called the unawakened.

It is not unbearable.

No pain no gain :)

Most wanderers are here to help. Kind of hard to do that if you run away and hide.

I take weekends away from the city - I like to grow things. I like to look after a little patch of Gaia in a rural setting.


Wouldn't the tale about the benefit of putting leather on our own feet to protect them from stones, rather than trying to cover the world in leather, be of value here?

No :)


Can anyone tell me why there seems to be a general feeling that the places some of you think you came from offer a better existence than the one we have here?

No. For me its not a sense of where I am from being better. I am still where I am from - and the other places I have been, but I am here in a body that makes it hard to connect with that knowledge on a regular basis.


How do you know that your current incarnation isn't the pinnacle of existence?

I don't! Nor do I care.

I am here because I want to be.

I explained on the Why The Starseeds Came To Assist Gaia (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40240-Why-The-Starseeds-Came-To-Assist-Gaia&p=423011) thread :


Wanderers, the brothers and sisters of sorrow - we come because we are called, a detour on our own winding paths, we leave the comfort of our home and family to render service in the humble hope that as we learn we teach and as we teach we learn; and when we return, we are changed for the better by those travels.

Its a bit of a win win really :)

What is interesting is meeting up with so many fellow travelers from the same homes ;)


Not in the sense that everything is perfect here, but that here we have a chance to really work on what matters. Inner work.

Inner work is vital and if you can do it you should. Having the chance to do this work eludes many - for lots of reasons, some more serious than others.


But, for me, it's what we do with the current one, now, that is of vital importance.

Everything we do is important.

John..

PS: Shout outs to any other Sirian ground crew and Pvilan or Pleaidian cousins ;)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Not that I see this as a bad thing, I'm just trying to understand it more from others point of views. Others that know they are not "from here". As far as I understand it, this is perfectly normal but I find it frustrating at the same time.

For those that KNOW you're not "from here", as you grow and your vibration raises etc, do you find it harder to relate,communicate or even be around those that are of a lower vibration?

And, I don't mean in a "looking down" or "condescending" kind of way.

Great thread DID, i remember you were the first one to extend your friendship to me on the very same day i became a member here after a few years of prowling Camelot and Avalon.

We bounced some PM back and forth and i have always known i am not alone with all my questions, i remember many times in my life when i asked myself"where the hell am i, what the F is going on here, this is so wrong, this is not how things are supposed to be, am i from some different planet or something etc etc" I told you my dreams and you gave me the name of a friend of yours here to direct my many questions to.

I have not done that yet, knowing where i am from seems like a comforting feeling but nevertheless i am stuck here right now and will have to deal with it as good as possible.

I also have can have a hard time dealing with people and feel very different from them as my questions never stop and in my personal life its hard to spar with people because the wouldnt have a clue what i would be trying to say to them, and i will not be made out to be a nut job so i just STFU and go along with my own bussines.

I am a social worker by profession and see a lot of very sensitive people like me who didnt make it as well as i did, they are homeless, abuse substances( you name it we got it going on) are psychiatric cases, and the hardest thing for me is i cannot reach out to the extent i would like to do, because the knowledge i have is just 'not done, new age freaky mumbo jumbo wich is to be ignored" thye spiritual component and its possible consequenses are ignored as well, many of my clients turn to religion and are just crying for help that does not come from above, and the ones who do seem to get help from above ( the schizofrenics, paranoids, mps ) are pumped full of meds to keep them calm and grounded.

The keeping them grounded part with meds works for some, but a lot of the times they go completely wacko, tired, suicidal etc etc. NO FUN whatsoever.

I am all day long submersed in people who see dead folks all day, and see water people come out the drains in the showers, see their dead parents, friends, familymembers, strangers and have conversations with them, there a some many dimensions in this omniverse but no ffing way can i speak about this. It would be social suicide to do so, so i just do whatever i can and try to have some fun with them as long as they are not hurting themselves or others.

Thank you for this post and your welcoming friendship.

[Aurvandil]

First, thank you for a great thread. It is so comforting to see so many telling the same things I have seen for myself.

I never felt home here, as many of you have said, never ever fitted, always being the black sheep, the outcast, even (or should I say especially) in my own family but also in school and work places.

WHY? I felt i didn´t want to take the b*ll**** from our society, the carreer moves, the prestige, the status hunting, fit the pattern. Always gone my own way, taking my own decisions no matter what. If it lead me into isolation, so what, i knew i couldnt and didn´t want to be like the others anyway. This has always caused me some unease anyway, until I found this forum and also started to develop my psychic ability and really find answers since a couple of years. Now I know there is more to this life, this body, this physical world. Everything is energy.

Since a year or so back my feelings has grown. I am finding it harder and harder to compromise with others, just waiting for something to happen, feeling more and more of the higher frequencies every day and feel like the world is too loud a place to be in. I would like to go out into the nature and stay there, never to come back, be quiet and in peace. I hope to do this, break all these limiting bonds, soon, dont know how though.

[magicmanx]

A little re-post from a long forgotten corner of the Avalon forum.

This was found in the rubbish................


THE CALL

"Once long ago, you were flying freely through the heavens,
Yes, you were one of us back then.
You were clothed in a garment of purest Light and knew no limitations, as you do now.,
You experienced perfect Peace as you played amongst the Stars.
You were free to explore the vastness of Space and moved easily through the dimensions.
In those bygone days you were not alone for you were among your Angelic Starry Brethren
and you were surrounded by limitless Love in that long ago time of Grace.
You were full and complete for you and your true partner were but the two wings of the same Angel.
And as the eons passed by, as gracefully as breathing in and breathing out,
You had no wants nor cares, no thoughts or dreams creased your brow,
You resided in a state of purest Joy caressed by the gentlest of breezes,
bathed in shimmering starlight, soothed by the resonance of the Celestial Harmonies.
Then a planet was born and an edict was issued forth for volunteers in co-creation and you answered the call.
You descended to Earth and stepped willingly into the limitations of matter vowing to be brief as measured by Heavenly time. And thus you have served in your body of matter wearing it for so long that you have often forgotten from whence you have come and the time span has appeared so lengthy, the experiences have been so arduous.
You thought yourself abandoned though you knew not from where.
But now the Heavenly Messengers have sent forth their Call
on long Golden Trumpets, filling the skies with their Songs.
IT is the CALL TO AWAKEN.
IT is the CALL TO REMEMBER.
IT is the CALL TO ACTION.
IT is the CALL TO RETURN.
It shall not be long now to return to your home but first comes the finale for your greatest work upon the Earth. Make haste and prepare with loving, enduring thoroughness for all that is to come.
Prepare by becoming yourself and unite your brethren who were also placed here long ago.
And the spiral shall cause it to turn
By the COLLECTIVE POWER OF YOUR LOVE,
By the RADIANT BRILLIANCE of YOUR GOLDEN LIGHT.
Hereby shall you perform your final act of service to Planet Earth.
This shall be your greatest gift. She shall be healed and renewed.
Hereby shall the spiral lift off moving you through the galaxies, and
RETURN YOU HOME.............................

:)

[EnergyGardener]

Good question, DID.

Let's assume that frustration is one of the purposes of our quest for the truth, but also the lonely quest for family and comrades. Thus, we let our guards down a bit too much in the beginning here at Project Avalon, believing we're at home.

But, duality remains, there is no deep screening process for membership, so the battles continue, but in a more intense to-the-point fashion. So, our guard is restored, knowledge is gained and skills honed. Thus we quickly realize and accept, if we choose to be productive, this PA course is an accelerated one.

Then, as we step out of the classroom and begin speaking with our still sleeping Terrestrial families with no use for any talk of higher vibrations (and may never in this lifetime), we may feel more disappointment, frustration and isolation. How can they not allow themselves to see what we see, feel what we feel and appreciate this brief opportunity? Worse, they dare question our sanity! But what's new about that, right?

The question that could also be asked, is if we can develop the necessary patience, along with other more subtle and effective skills, toward everyone's mutual benefit.

Does that require more humor about the obvious absurdities of our realities reminding everyone, that we are not too serious, and that we still do have one foot in this real and very amusing world?

Thanks DID and everyone for their helpful comments; I resemble your remarks. You might recall my thread "Phone Home," that addressed this very sentiment:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38633-Phone-Home

Perhaps, they would say, "It is great to hear from you; we have always been here for you and always will be. But, don't forget to keep seeking, nurturing and inspiring the rest of our family; they are so looking forward to hearing from you too. Oh, and one more thing. Ramp up your chakras a bit more, Radiate more LOVE, they will recognize you better with your bright glow: That's how they remember you."

EnergyGardener

[DreamsInDigital]

I absolutely love the responses, and the high vibration of the energies that have been generated here. It's wonderful. I wanted to mention to Pie'n'eal (and the others wondering how we know), there are some of us that do know, who we are and where we came from, and I don't mean this in a condescending or "looking down" or "arrogant" kind of way, but I've found in general with those that don't have their inner sense of knowing and understanding turned on. It's difficult for them to understand those of us that do, and sometimes even more difficult for us to explain it. I know without a doubt in my mind, soul, being, I'm from Tau Ceti, beyond that...Lyra, and beyond that The Andromedan Galaxy.

I also have found the more 'in tune', the higher my vibration frequency goes, etc. The harder it is for me to be around those that are lower vibrations, not awake, etc. On this other forum there are those that are still questioning the very existence of Off Worlders, and I look at them in confusion, how with all the evidence (and they've researched most of it themselves) they could still not know. The logic escapes me but I'm trying to understand it. I feel more comfortable around those that have similar frequencies, and part of what I love here about PA, I've been able to make some great friends that are more higher levels of awareness, consciousness, awakeness. What ever term or label one wants to attach to this. It's very comforting in knowing I'm not alone and that we can all collectively come together, here in this thread and even this forum and share like this with eachother. It's been a truly wonderful experience so far. :)

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Whether a Pleiadian, Sirian, Andromadan - didn't we originally all come from source? To me no different than Danish, Brazilian or Chinese.

Perhaps we all feel different, because in many ways we are different because of our experiences, past and present. Like a fabric shop with many textures and colors - yet still all fabric. A wonderful symphony all playing are own instruments, but in the end, very possible to make beautiful music together.

Modwiz, I had the good fortune to be raised by a father who felt as you do about the beauty of this planet. He called every tree is little darlings and he loved them all equally, as well as every mountain, rock, etc. I hope you have had children to pass your love on to.

As for those who never felt comfortable in your bodies, I had a son that felt that way for many years. I believe Michael Newton discusses that in his book 'Journey of Souls'. His opinion: Just not a good fit between soul and body. Like having to wear a sweater too tight or itchy. Don't give up, ask your higher self to help you with this. I do believe it can be overcome.

I think at some level it's difficult for all those who are awake to see the broken world we live in when we know what it could be - but perhaps it is simply our mission to hold the archtype for what it could be to help bring it into place. Just a thought - and I know, not always easy.

DID, I have to say for me it has gotten easier to be around those not awake or vibrating differently. Part of it has been the quest of knowledge through books, videos, conferences and then meditating and applying and becoming more comfortable with self. And the understanding that it is not my place to judge. Although I still have 'those' moments.

[kcbc2010]

I'm not sure where this comment fits into the discussion, per say, but have others noticed that it's almost like they aren't allowed to go backwards once you reach a certain point down the darker paths?

I've noticed that people just "know" not to tell me certain things or invite me to the parties where the level of darkness is going to be high or just be in situations where there's just a huge 'dark cloud' over what's going on.....I'm hoping that someone understands this description because I really don't know how to describe it better. There have been way too many situations like this in my life for it to be just a coincidence. Like in college, one of my friends literally 'flipped out' and ran away (I forget why) and it seemed like all our friends/campus police/the therapists on campus were looking for her, except for me because I was in class. My heart ached because I couldn't do more in the situation than listen after the fact, but I also feel like I was being protected from something in the situation too and that I wasn't supposed to be there. Does this sort of thing happen to anyone else?

[DreamsInDigital]

KCBC,

It fits in the discussion/conversation quite nicely. It's related to this metamorphosis that we're going through. I can totally relate. I am not sure where that guidance comes from if it's our higher selves, our guides? our star families protecting us? It's interesting, and thank you for providing us the great opportunity to explore that aspect of our and for your wonderful contributions to this conversation. Lets definitely collectively explore that further, and hopefully more will share their experiences with that.

[Tarka the Duck]

Hello DID

Interesting post! I obviously wouldn't dream of disputing what you say that you know...it would be totally pointless!
You can't prove to me what you feel, and I can't share your feelings as they are your feelings.
If it's important to you, it's important to you and that's fine ;)

However, I find the following statement goes a little too far:

I don't mean this in a condescending or "looking down" or "arrogant" kind of way, but I've found in general with those that don't have their inner sense of knowing and understanding turned on.

Are you saying that only those who "know where they came from" have an "inner sense of knowing and understanding" :confused:?

[DreamsInDigital]

Are you saying that only those who "know where they came from" have an "inner sense of knowing and understanding" :confused:?
No, I am saying we all have the inner sense of knowing and understanding. Just it's difficult for those that don't have it turned on/fully developed to understand or relate to those that do, and for those that do it's difficult (at least has been in my experience) to explain to those that don't have theirs turned on/fully developed yet. It seems to be part of Terran nature, that until they experience for themselves that they can't fully relate or understand something that others have already experienced. This has just been my experience/observations.

[Tarka the Duck]

@ DID

I am saying we all have the inner sense of knowing and understanding. Just it's difficult for those that don't have it turned on/fully developed to understand or relate to those that do, and for those that do it's difficult (at least has been in my experience) to explain to those that don't have theirs turned on yet.

So how would you define this "inner sense of knowing and understanding"?
What is it that is known?
What is it that is understood?

[Sidney]

It seems to me that it doesn't matter where we came from. Under a stone, or deep in the universe...the past is dead and there is only now.

We don't need to understand our past to understand our now.
We merely have to look at our attitude now – and what we are holding on to – and that will reveal our past.
It is here where we are working. If we hold on to the past, our futures will have the same confusions as we have now...
It is only in the now that we experience genuine knowledge, genuine wisdom. Thinking about the past is merely holding onto concepts, ideas, beliefs and...dare I say it...fantasies.

It doesn't matter where we came from because, being infinite beings, we have come from an infinite number of places – there is no home! Of course, we are all aliens!
Just beware of wishful thinking...

Home is our pure nature.

What we are talking about here is our existence in a physical body, and as long as we cling to that, we will suffer.

There is no place where we should be but here! Now! Facing now with as much courage as we can muster.
Every moment is an opportunity to tear down our facades.
Don't let anyone control your mind through sentimentality...


It matters to me

How will you ever 'know'?


Well, it matters to me, because my innermost soul, craves the information that has been withheld from us intentionally, the education that we deserve, has been deliberately denied us, our true ancestry, no matter how many lifetimes have come and gone, we have the right to not go through life here in the 3D blindfolded, if you will. Of course we are aliens, but we came from somewhere.

[meat suit]

Look at this time as a 'decompression period', or a time of subliminal change. That's how I'm getting through it anyway

Do what feels right.

DECOMPRESSION PERIOD...... pure genius! thanks BlueGem!

take your time or you get 'the bends'...

[Beren]

This was and is and will be beautiful !
Thank you for finding this gem.





A little re-post from a long forgotten corner of the Avalon forum.

This was found in the rubbish................


THE CALL

"Once long ago, you were flying freely through the heavens,
Yes, you were one of us back then.
You were clothed in a garment of purest Light and knew no limitations, as you do now.,
You experienced perfect Peace as you played amongst the Stars.
You were free to explore the vastness of Space and moved easily through the dimensions.
In those bygone days you were not alone for you were among your Angelic Starry Brethren
and you were surrounded by limitless Love in that long ago time of Grace.
You were full and complete for you and your true partner were but the two wings of the same Angel.
And as the eons passed by, as gracefully as breathing in and breathing out,
You had no wants nor cares, no thoughts or dreams creased your brow,
You resided in a state of purest Joy caressed by the gentlest of breezes,
bathed in shimmering starlight, soothed by the resonance of the Celestial Harmonies.
Then a planet was born and an edict was issued forth for volunteers in co-creation and you answered the call.
You descended to Earth and stepped willingly into the limitations of matter vowing to be brief as measured by Heavenly time. And thus you have served in your body of matter wearing it for so long that you have often forgotten from whence you have come and the time span has appeared so lengthy, the experiences have been so arduous.
You thought yourself abandoned though you knew not from where.
But now the Heavenly Messengers have sent forth their Call
on long Golden Trumpets, filling the skies with their Songs.
IT is the CALL TO AWAKEN.
IT is the CALL TO REMEMBER.
IT is the CALL TO ACTION.
IT is the CALL TO RETURN.
It shall not be long now to return to your home but first comes the finale for your greatest work upon the Earth. Make haste and prepare with loving, enduring thoroughness for all that is to come.
Prepare by becoming yourself and unite your brethren who were also placed here long ago.
And the spiral shall cause it to turn
By the COLLECTIVE POWER OF YOUR LOVE,
By the RADIANT BRILLIANCE of YOUR GOLDEN LIGHT.
Hereby shall you perform your final act of service to Planet Earth.
This shall be your greatest gift. She shall be healed and renewed.
Hereby shall the spiral lift off moving you through the galaxies, and
RETURN YOU HOME.............................

:)

[DreamsInDigital]

@ DID

I am saying we all have the inner sense of knowing and understanding. Just it's difficult for those that don't have it turned on/fully developed to understand or relate to those that do, and for those that do it's difficult (at least has been in my experience) to explain to those that don't have theirs turned on yet.

So how would you define this "inner sense of knowing and understanding"?
What is it that is known?
What is it that is understood?
Tarka, I'm not sure I can or am capable of explaining this ability. Maybe someone else will be more capable of it. But, I suppose the closest I can relate to it is like instincts. But once it's fully developed, no one can deceive you intentionally or otherwise. And you just know when something is or isn't the truth. I think someone once equated it with being constantly connected to the Universal Consciousness. But I'm not sure that's exactly right either.

[Anchor]

I'm not sure where this comment fits into the discussion, per say, but have others noticed that it's almost like they aren't allowed to go backwards once you reach a certain point down the darker paths?

I've noticed that people just "know" not to tell me certain things or invite me to the parties where the level of darkness is going to be high or just be in situations where there's just a huge 'dark cloud' over what's going on.....I'm hoping that someone understands this description because I really don't know how to describe it better. There have been way too many situations like this in my life for it to be just a coincidence. Like in college, one of my friends literally 'flipped out' and ran away (I forget why) and it seemed like all our friends/campus police/the therapists on campus were looking for her, except for me because I was in class. My heart ached because I couldn't do more in the situation than listen after the fact, but I also feel like I was being protected from something in the situation too and that I wasn't supposed to be there. Does this sort of thing happen to anyone else?

All the time - dont worry about it, you are being looked after.

Here is an example I just remembered reading your post.

I slept through the '87 October storms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Storm_of_1987) in the UK. All my friends and family went through it awake, were scared, etc, etc - me, for some reason I was pretty tired and I fell asleep - the next day I awoke, power was out, looked out the window and though "My word!" ... it looked like a war zone.

These days if I miss a train, it may well be because I will meet someone on the next one that turns out to be useful in some way.

The universe is ALIVE and it has your interests at heart.

Everything happens for a reason at some level - and we are all connected to that.

[WHOMADEGOD]

This was and is and will be beautiful !
Thank you for finding this gem.





A little re-post from a long forgotten corner of the Avalon forum.

This was found in the rubbish................


THE CALL

"Once long ago, you were flying freely through the heavens,
Yes, you were one of us back then.
You were clothed in a garment of purest Light and knew no limitations, as you do now.,
You experienced perfect Peace as you played amongst the Stars.
You were free to explore the vastness of Space and moved easily through the dimensions.
In those bygone days you were not alone for you were among your Angelic Starry Brethren
and you were surrounded by limitless Love in that long ago time of Grace.
You were full and complete for you and your true partner were but the two wings of the same Angel.
And as the eons passed by, as gracefully as breathing in and breathing out,
You had no wants nor cares, no thoughts or dreams creased your brow,
You resided in a state of purest Joy caressed by the gentlest of breezes,
bathed in shimmering starlight, soothed by the resonance of the Celestial Harmonies.
Then a planet was born and an edict was issued forth for volunteers in co-creation and you answered the call.
You descended to Earth and stepped willingly into the limitations of matter vowing to be brief as measured by Heavenly time. And thus you have served in your body of matter wearing it for so long that you have often forgotten from whence you have come and the time span has appeared so lengthy, the experiences have been so arduous.
You thought yourself abandoned though you knew not from where.
But now the Heavenly Messengers have sent forth their Call
on long Golden Trumpets, filling the skies with their Songs.
IT is the CALL TO AWAKEN.
IT is the CALL TO REMEMBER.
IT is the CALL TO ACTION.
IT is the CALL TO RETURN.
It shall not be long now to return to your home but first comes the finale for your greatest work upon the Earth. Make haste and prepare with loving, enduring thoroughness for all that is to come.
Prepare by becoming yourself and unite your brethren who were also placed here long ago.
And the spiral shall cause it to turn
By the COLLECTIVE POWER OF YOUR LOVE,
By the RADIANT BRILLIANCE of YOUR GOLDEN LIGHT.
Hereby shall you perform your final act of service to Planet Earth.
This shall be your greatest gift. She shall be healed and renewed.
Hereby shall the spiral lift off moving you through the galaxies, and
RETURN YOU HOME.............................

:)


WOW! And Amen.

Starchild, insane as we are it is quite possible we agreed to all this, but dont blame me!:-)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I'm not sure where this comment fits into the discussion, per say, but have others noticed that it's almost like they aren't allowed to go backwards once you reach a certain point down the darker paths?

I've noticed that people just "know" not to tell me certain things or invite me to the parties where the level of darkness is going to be high or just be in situations where there's just a huge 'dark cloud' over what's going on.....I'm hoping that someone understands this description because I really don't know how to describe it better. There have been way too many situations like this in my life for it to be just a coincidence. Like in college, one of my friends literally 'flipped out' and ran away (I forget why) and it seemed like all our friends/campus police/the therapists on campus were looking for her, except for me because I was in class. My heart ached because I couldn't do more in the situation than listen after the fact, but I also feel like I was being protected from something in the situation too and that I wasn't supposed to be there. Does this sort of thing happen to anyone else?

I understood this did fit in and have similar experiences of being led away or held up wich made me completely miss bad stuff.

1. I was about seven i think, my mum got me one of these flat pack little one buck airplanes with a little prop on them, i put the thing together, went outside and played with it( you just trew it in the air and there you go) i trew it, out of nowhere a small gust off wind, changes the course of this very light ( a few grams) airplane, i chase it in the direction it just flew, if this little gust of wind did not occur i would have been run over by a speeding car( it was a blue car, burning rubber while turning a corner).

2. I grew up in Amsterdam ( old east part of town, very mixed community) to get to school i had to walk about half a mile in this neighbourhood ( not quite getto, but housing was cheap) and a few boys always try to pick fights with just about everybody smaller then them and rob them, they came walking straight up to me, the one walking up front approached me and something gave him a little push, he just went off course a bit, he stared at me a bit strange and told his buddies to move along and leave me alone, very odd but it made me feel good.

3. Also school, a lot of fights, drug dealing, bars in the windows of the school, to keep the burglars out and us in, the previous day there was a strange tension in the hallways at school, never gave it a second thought untill the next day, my alarmclock went off, i got out of bed, took my shower, got dressed, picked up my backpack, walk to the front door of the house, and the doorhandle gave some sort of static shock, it hurt my hand a bit, so i left ten minutes later, when i got to school three guys from different classes got into a brawl and stabbed eachother( i knew all three of them quite well)nobody died, just some stupid cocky drawing a bit of of blood ****, territorial behaviour as it were, but if i was ten minutes earlier i would have been right in the middle of it.

4. Dream, some friends of mine got into a car, took a drive and crashed, two killed, one crashed through the window and landed in perfect undamaged condition on the grass, i would also have been in the car were it not my then girlfriend showed up for some fun and i liked that very much because of my then 25 year old hormones.

5. How i met my current girlfriend, very funny, i always go to the market to buy fruit and bread on saturdays, i was ready to get out of the door and for some reason my fire alarm went of and it took me 20 minutes to get it to shut up, then i went to the market, standing in line some voice asked me with an Curacao antilllian accent asked me what those purple red things were (beets)ah beets she said, are they any good? And for no particular reason whatsoever i blurted out, well im eating hem tonight so youre welcome to join me( my head the same color as the beets at this moment of course) she laughed, said ok, we exchanged numbers and thats 4 years ago now and we are still together.

So i am being looked after, at least this is my sense and i like it a lot.

PS, another weird one, i work in a homeless shelter as a social worker, my current job is my second one in a shelter.

On my first "gig" a lot of things were uncertain for the clients, like will there be funding for the shelter, when will we move if we have to and where to and so on and so further.

We really wanted to anwser those questions an lot of tension and agression was building up among the clients toward us because we didnt have the anwser, the city counsel gave us the runaround as well.

Anyway, the clients refered to me and my co workers as rats and we would probably leave the sinking ship as previous staff did a few times before.

Not a week later i dreamt a flying ship( a so called Kogge, wich was build in this small town with me aboard flew over a canal in this town and for some reason i jumped overboard and the captain burst out in laughter gave me a thumbs up, ( well done sonny boy harrrrr) and sailed off.

A week later they closed the shelter without giving us notice, everybody was out on the streets, weird eh?

I have lots more of these but its enough to make my point i think;)

[Sidney]

Great stories Plumbe!!!!!r-


Last night, while out starwatching, i was feeling a bit melancholy and was talking to the sky (telepathically) like i normally do, and I asked" are my guardians present, I need you today, to give me hope????" Literally 2 seconds later, directly above me, a large white flash, then off, then another bright flash, it did this 3 or 4 times in a row, and was gone. I saw nothing else unusual after that before retiring to bed.
This is not the first time this has occurred but it's been a while since i have had "communication". The feeling of peace is indescribably overwhelming.:couch2:

[Guest]

I relate to and concur with a lot of what has been said by everyone. Excellent thread DID.

Living peacefully with the earth in the best possible way helps me in many ways -she does provide us with everything we need. She and her creature do fill me with wonder -I am amazed by it all.

Being around people that are stuck/asleep in this 3d world can be hard to deal with at times. When I was moving into the place I live in now -a guy I hired to put some structures up and remove some very large dead trees out of the yard, wanted to remove some live trees to put the structures up. I told him absolutely not. He asked me why? So I said to him because they are alive and then I said anything green or alive stays put -work around it. He got a little upset with me and the look on his face was priceless to my amusement. All of the trees are still here.

Another thing about 3d people and this is something I have observed and obvious is that they are out of alignment -they need to align their hearts and minds or if you prefer their souls and spirits with the Creator. Integrate. Begining there would help them realize their True Nature or as pie-n-eal coined Pure Nature.

Also want to mention that I have run into off worlders & aliens that I would not have lunch or tea with;) either.

Love

Nora

We are all related

[Snowbird]

@ Starchild

It matters to me

Interesting.
Does it cause you pain to know that you will never know, unequivocally, where you came from? Beyond a feeling - or is a feeling sufficient?


I shouldn't presume, but I will anyway...I presume that most here on this forum feel a sense of alienation from this world - that's why they ended up here!
I do worry a little, from reading some comments on this thread, that people are cutting themselves off from the conventional world: it seems to cause them unbearable pain to mix with what may be called the unawakened. Wouldn't the tale about the benefit of putting leather on our own feet to protect them from stones, rather than trying to cover the world in leather, be of value here?

Can anyone tell me why there seems to be a general feeling that the places some of you think you came from offer a better existence than the one we have here?
How do you know that your current incarnation isn't the pinnacle of existence? Not in the sense that everything is perfect here, but that here we have a chance to really work on what matters. Inner work.

Any Pie said, if we live in in infinite universe, there is no doubt that we have had existences in every conceivable location.
But, for me, it's what we do with the current one, now, that is of vital importance.

We are here on Earth to learn vital lessons. We are here on Earth to experience duality. I would hope that those actively posting on this thread have had existences in every conceivable location. I believe that the reason that we are here now is because we are all/each experiencing a type of graduation. Our diplomas are forthcoming.

Knowing from where one stems, is helpful in the sense of understanding where one is going to after leaving Earth. This understanding has allowed me to more fully and completely rest in the now of this Earthly life with an understanding that when finished here, I will go on. I am not at all comfortable being left in a void. Lessons are being learned and will be learned whether or not I have knowledge of the former.

I have been reading and hearing a type of cry from starseeds and others for years because they feel so unsettled on this Earth. Why? Because it is not a place where they are comfortable or comforted. And yet, they complete their sojourn knowing that they will return or go forward. I fully understand this yearning. I don't recommend that people be made to experience this. Part of any lesson here or elsewhere should include the basic fundamental understanding from past lives elsewhere. Otherwise, too much precious time is wasted.

[Tarka the Duck]

@ DID

I am saying we all have the inner sense of knowing and understanding. Just it's difficult for those that don't have it turned on/fully developed to understand or relate to those that do, and for those that do it's difficult (at least has been in my experience) to explain to those that don't have theirs turned on yet.

So how would you define this "inner sense of knowing and understanding"?
What is it that is known?
What is it that is understood?
Tarka, I'm not sure I can or am capable of explaining this ability. Maybe someone else will be more capable of it. But, I suppose the closest I can relate to it is like instincts. But once it's fully developed, no one can deceive you intentionally or otherwise. And you just know when something is or isn't the truth. I think someone once equated it with being constantly connected to the Universal Consciousness. But I'm not sure that's exactly right either.

For me, finding and becoming familiar with my true nature is one of the main "tasks" of this lifetime.
Perhaps this is what you mean by an "inner sense of knowing and understanding"?
I am obviously only speaking for myself here: to know where I "came from" has no relevance to the practice that I undertake in order to understand my essential nature.

Meditation, reflection, study, debate are the traditional ways in which people have come to understand their "inner sense of knowing and understanding".
It's interesting that you seem to be relating it to a belief system around what you feel was your previous incarnation.

[TraineeHuman]

As far as I’m aware, the end goal of finding and eventually getting frequent/continuous contact with one’s own inner nature – at least, say, the “I am” part which is always either joyful/blissful or extraordinarily detached/clear – requires the achievement of certain things. Chief among these is having many insights into one’s past and into people or events in one’s past.

Some – many, no, most! -- of the insights are so subtle, one may not be consciously aware of their content at all. And usually won’t be at the time. The biggest and most sweeping insights are formless anyway – but also usually have specific sides to them as well. The human consciousness is a most extraordinary and subtle thing.

What I have experienced is that it isn’t possible to get anywhere near sufficiently full insights – including the formless insights -- without going into one’s past lifetimes, where many problems always originate. That’s simply a fact. The problems just don’t make sense in the context of one’s present life only.

The big difficulty, as I see it, is that most serious practitioners or seekers actually do deal endlessly with many, many issues from their past lifetimes but are largely or totally unaware that that’s what they’re doing. As far as they’re aware, they’re just facing energies or emotions or whatever.

It’s quite true that learning to become aware of the details of what one is really facing often can slow down the process at the time. Better to just “face the energy”. It’s also quite a specialized skill.

On the other hand, one thing I’ve seen time and again both with myself and with clients in counselling or psychotherapy is as follows. It’s one thing to get insights or breakthroughs. But they’re not worth a fig unless the person having them has the courage and the commitment to face the discomfort of applying them concretely in their life from then on. And this is where specific details are ever so helpful to that person. Most people, however highly aware, will have a major breakthrough and then just kind of act as if nothing much happened -- unless they strongly commit to a little “rebirth”, as a new them, from that moment on. This is why knowing some details about where one’s problems came from are worth their weight in gold.

In my own case, so many apparent problems or issues – such as being “detached” – completely fell away and became non-issues once I realised I’m only here on a very brief visit – probably for one lifetime only --, so of course I’m very “different”, but that’s just who I am.

[Tony]

Is there a problem with someone for a tender mind, committing suicide, thinking that they are going to go 'home'?

[Tarka the Duck]

Hello TH

As far as I’m aware, the end goal of finding and eventually getting frequent/continuous contact with one’s own inner nature – at least, say, the “I am” part which is always either joyful/blissful or extraordinarily detached/clear – requires the achievement of certain things. Chief among these is having many insights into one’s past and into people or events in one’s past.

According to whom?

[Eric J (Viking)]

I read this passage earlier and thought some folk might find some useful information within...some wise words ... ?


Good evening, my scribe. It is I, Gyeorgos Ceres Hatonn, come in the Radiant One Light of Creator God. Be still and allow the words to flow.

Your world is inching ever closer to cataclysmic change. There are ones in positions of great power who are becoming more and more delusional with each passing day, as they struggle desperately to control that which is un-controllable and to imprison that which cannot be imprisoned.

It is the formidable Human Spirit about which I make reference here. As a planetary whole, the masses of “common” folk possess the innate desire, the active passion, and the infinite creativity to surmount any challenges of adversity and experience growth.

Meanwhile, the would-be controllers are, in essence, through their actions, attempting to quench this fire that burns inside of all ones. They try to maintain their illusion of “fighting for freedom” or “fighting for peace”—all the while systematically removing freedom and peace from you.

Their words may sound noble as such roll off the tongues of well-rehearsed orators. However, the actions and the true heart-level intentions of these ones are radically different, as they work feverishly behind the scenes to create bigger and bigger horrors so as to shock the masses into accepting more and more restrictions on freedoms.

Just who is this “they”? And who says that “they” are looking out for the best interests of Freedom?

The “they” I am referring to are the ones who work behind the scenes to ensure that all of the world’s major political heads are marching in step with the personal agendas that “they” desire.

“They” are the real power brokers who can cause great economic strife and hardship for any country that thinks itself to be independent from the influence “they” maintain worldwide.

“They” are the ones who make decisions that can literally starve a country to death or allow it to appear prosperous.

“They” are cold and heartless ones who have little or no conscience as to whether you live or die.

“They” live always in the shadows, for they harbor great inner fears of the creativity of the common people who, if left un-corralled, would surely create technologies such as free-energy devices, healing devices, and other avenues to freedom and independence that would lessen the perceived value of current technologies under the control of these would-be kings, and thus lessen their ability to use such as oil prices to manipulate and control nations.

If the average person were to truly be able to follow the money trail that “mysteriously” vanishes into obscure corporations that are wrapped within yet more corporate structure, it would become clear that nearly 90% of the world’s resources are controlled by less than 2% of the world’s population.

This 2% is the “they”.

“They” control what is the history you read in your school books.

“They” control the wars you watch from start to finish.

“They” control all the major news media.

“They” have become quite accurate in predicting just what sort of events will cause the perfect amount of emotional anxiety, confusion, and anger in order to cause the masses to “demand something be done!”

This scenario works time and time again because so many “well educated” ones believe that the wool could never be pulled over their eyes because they are “too smart” for that sort of thing.

Dear ones, it is sad to say that the greater your intelligence, the more probable it is that you are likely to go to the “better” schools where there is in place the more talented mind-control experts who ensure that this is EXACTLY the attitude and belief you leave their school with. Ones at these premier schools are put through exhaustive regimens of study calculated to instill this attitude of: “I have the ‘inside’ track on the latest, cutting-edge research, and therefore I KNOW that things such as free-energy devices and healing devices are IMPOSSIBLE, and only an uninformed IDIOT would think otherwise.”

Well, my friends, there will be quite a few “well-informed” and “highly-educated” individuals who will be left facing a reality of disillusionment and overwhelm as your world continues down its current path. It will be the “average” person, who reasons with inner “gut” knowing rather than intellectual worship, who will see the illusion for what it truly is.

We of the Lighted Realms come in response to you who have the inner sight and inner ears to perceive your environment from a point that is both inside the illusion and outside the illusion. Your Inner Knowing is an awareness of the reality of the soul’s journey.

You are the ones who remember and understand that the physical is a byproduct of the non-physical, and that the energy that precipitates into what you have come to call the physical universe is a subset of a much larger non-physical Reality. Therefore, you (and all ones) have the ability to see that it is possible to have a point of view that is common to both realities without contradiction.

It is always the Greater Reality of nonphysical energy realms that truly controls the form and functioning of any of the subset realities such as the physical universe. Therefore, from the larger perspective of the soul’s journey into, through, and back out of the physical environment—you should be able to reason that experiential growth is all that really matters.

Contrary to what “they” believe (and would have you believe), the ones who have the most toys do not win! It is the ones who learn to create the most Joy who win.

As you go along in your day-to-day lives and hear things on your radios or televisions, you begin forming opinions and perceptions about your world and your place in it. For most Americans, war is something that happens in and to other countries, where the U.S. is just the “peacekeeping” force that provides the manpower and resources to uphold the “ideals of freedom”.

Most Americans are emotionally detached from the actual horrors of war, wherein mostly innocent people are induced to kill and be killed, fighting for the perception of some vague greater good supposedly to be gained from forcing one ideology upon another.

The American mentality had to be shaken (through such recent events as the 9/11 tragedy and anthrax postal scares) so as to generate the necessary emotional shockwave in order to hasten along the New World Order agenda of the 2% controllers. The United States has played the strongarm role for these elite would-be-kings, and therefore has been left relatively unscathed.

Ones may argue that the American lives lost in such actions as the Vietnam War hardly support the U.S. being considered “relatively unscathed”. To these ones I would say: Have you ever stopped to consider that more than 10 times as many Vietnamese lost their sons and daughters than did Americans? How many times in recent history have foreign troops landed on U.S. soil and, in the “spoils” of war, raped, pillaged, and plundered entire villages or cities, and did their best to destroy all evidence of their crimes? Yes, the United States has been left relatively unscathed.

However, let me remind you ones that what you perceive as “karma” happens on ALL levels of society—not just individual levels. What you do as an individual comes back to you. What you do as a community comes back to you. What you do as a nation comes back to you. And what you do as a planetary society comes back to you. It is the Law of Cause and Effect. If you allow the 2% to control your world because it’s just “easier”—then you will surely find that you have inadvertently chosen the more difficult path.

The journey into the physical is more about learning how to use your creative abilities in a responsible manner. Anyone can shatter a piece of glass; but can you make a piece of glass? Anyone can make another person dislike them; but do you know how to truly earn the respect of another?

Your world is in quite a precarious situation. Will you go along with those who propose that destroying others is the only way to ensure your freedom? Remember: those who live by the sword (atomic weapons) die by the sword (atomic weapons).

Or, will you be one who realizes that there IS another way? First and foremost, was not the United States founded upon a system of justice wherein ones are presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty?

What proof do you ACTUALLY have of who is behind such as the 9/11 tragedy or the anthrax mailings?

“Well, military analysts say…”

Oh?

When it’s YOUR life on the line, you’ll scream for your rights—but you are not willing to extend the same courtesy to the thousands of men, women, and children who will inevitably lose their life because too many irrational reactionary minds are being stirred into a frenzied thirst for blood.

You teach others the values you preach by SHOWING them that such values work and they are indeed better—not by getting out bigger and bigger guns and killing off those who argue against irrational use of force.

The TRUE criminals behind the “terrorist attacks” are the elite 2% world controllers. These ones are clearly beyond the reach of any current justice system you have in the physical realms. However, from the soul perspective, these ones are forever repeating and reliving their nightmares, lifetime after lifetime, never seeming to find any real Joy. These are souls whose scars run very deep, and “they” choose to control and destroy, over and over again, with little realization that “they” are making their own wounds a little deeper each time.

Some ones may ask: “If things are so bad, then why should I stay in the physical? I’m not a bad person. Why should I have to ‘suffer’ through someone else’s karma?”

The answer is that many of you who are reading this have come to planet Earth at this time SPECIFICALLY for the opportunities that come with such times of “cataclysmic” change. As events continue to unfold, there will be generated many opportunities to teach the Higher Truths you hold, and thus help ones to make leaps in conscious awareness that would otherwise take many, many lifetimes to accomplish.

Remember that YOUR growth is connected to ALL ones’ growth, including my own. There is a never-ending line of teachers who teach others, who then go on to teach yet others. This cycle is continuous, and is in essence the backbone of evolution and growth. None can do it alone, and even the most “self-aware” individual receives assistance during times of deep contemplation and thought.

The cycles of growth are infinite. There is ALWAYS another challenge awaiting all ones. There may be the perception of pinnacles along the way, but as a seeming pinnacle is achieved, the new vantage point of observation gives rise to the next upward challenge.

You ones who manage to stay the course and maintain an inner connection to Love, to Truth, and to the Knowing that ALL IS WELL despite the physical challenges you may be faced with, will take with you a great deal more, when it comes time to complete the current physical journey, than you can imagine at present. When you stay connected within to Source, you innately help others to see, if nothing else, that there is another choice. Most often, others will see the Light you bear as a mysterious kindness and quiet confidence that defies explanation—especially given the perhaps chaotic nature of the physical situations in which you may find yourselves. You will capture their curiosity, and thus the opportunity to assist a fellow traveler will be born.

Never underestimate the power of the Human Spirit to survive and create wonderful things—even if they come from the rubble and ruins of a once great civilization. More often than not, the ones on your world don’t appreciate what they have until it is stripped from them in a cold and heartless manner. However, the value of the lessons learned from such experiences is quite priceless in terms of REAL (soul) growth.

I am Gyeorgos Ceres Hatonn, come as a Teacher, Friend, and as a member of the Host of Creator God, so that those of you who wish for understanding may find it.

Please remember: the REAL treasures are what you take with you when you leave the physical. May your “coffers” be full of all the Joys that come from expanding the awareness of self and helping others to do likewise.

viking

[starsha]

Not that I see this as a bad thing, I'm just trying to understand it more from others point of views. Others that know they are not "from here". As far as I understand it, this is perfectly normal but I find it frustrating at the same time.

For those that KNOW you're not "from here", as you grow and your vibration raises etc, do you find it harder to relate,communicate or even be around those that are of a lower vibration?

And, I don't mean in a "looking down" or "condescending" kind of way.

@ the OP

I don't find it frustrating to be around people of lower vibration, or less awareness. For me, the more i remember what i am the more curious i feel, and the more objective i become. This sense of curiosity has made it so that i can talk with a greater range of people than before. I can understand them better and see what makes them tick, and help them get to the bottom of what's blocking them so that they can move forward.

I also find that the more i remember, the more i am able to see clearly. Seeing a person clearly makes it way less frustrating because you can understand what you are dealing with. Just like having a baby with downs syndrome and trying to treat it like a 'normal' child would be frustrating. But understanding that child and seeing them clearly and loving them for who they are is a lot less frustrating when you really understand it. Then you can be with them and appreciate the child for who it is, as it is.

Trying to be with people who are highly conditioned and unaware as if they are highly aware is going to be frustrating. Trying to make something become something it is not is frustrating. But if you know what you are dealing with and you address it accordingly, with a clear head, you can then make a change.

[DreamsInDigital]

@ DID

I am saying we all have the inner sense of knowing and understanding. Just it's difficult for those that don't have it turned on/fully developed to understand or relate to those that do, and for those that do it's difficult (at least has been in my experience) to explain to those that don't have theirs turned on yet.

So how would you define this "inner sense of knowing and understanding"?
What is it that is known?
What is it that is understood?
Tarka, I'm not sure I can or am capable of explaining this ability. Maybe someone else will be more capable of it. But, I suppose the closest I can relate to it is like instincts. But once it's fully developed, no one can deceive you intentionally or otherwise. And you just know when something is or isn't the truth. I think someone once equated it with being constantly connected to the Universal Consciousness. But I'm not sure that's exactly right either.

For me, finding and becoming familiar with my true nature is one of the main "tasks" of this lifetime.
Perhaps this is what you mean by an "inner sense of knowing and understanding"?
I am obviously only speaking for myself here: to know where I "came from" has no relevance to the practice that I undertake in order to understand my essential nature.

Meditation, reflection, study, debate are the traditional ways in which people have come to understand their "inner sense of knowing and understanding".
It's interesting that you seem to be relating it to a belief system around what you feel was your previous incarnation.
It's fine if that's what it means for you, but it's not what I mean about that inner sense of knowing and understanding. And, I don't relate it to a "belief" system that I "feel" was my previous incarnation. I KNOW it's where I came from it's still part of who I am now, which is important as we should all know where we came from, it helps to mold who we are now. Knowing where I came from though with absolute confidence, has nothing to do with the inner sense of knowing and understanding, they're two totally separate things. This is a good prime example of the point I was trying to make about the relate/explain complications that come up in these situations. I appreciate that you are trying to understand this more, but I also see that my not being able to properly articulate it causes complications.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Not that I see this as a bad thing, I'm just trying to understand it more from others point of views. Others that know they are not "from here". As far as I understand it, this is perfectly normal but I find it frustrating at the same time.

For those that KNOW you're not "from here", as you grow and your vibration raises etc, do you find it harder to relate,communicate or even be around those that are of a lower vibration?


And, I don't mean in a "looking down" or "condescending" kind of way.

@ the OP

I don't find it frustrating to be around people of lower vibration, or less awareness. For me, the more i remember what i am the more curious i feel, and the more objective i become. This sense of curiosity has made it so that i can talk with a greater range of people than before. I can understand them better and see what makes them tick, and help them get to the bottom of what's blocking them so that they can move forward.

I also find that the more i remember, the more i am able to see clearly. Seeing a person clearly makes it way less frustrating because you can understand what you are dealing with. Just like having a baby with downs syndrome and trying to treat it like a 'normal' child would be frustrating. But understanding that child and seeing them clearly and loving them for who they are is a lot less frustrating when you really understand it. Then you can be with them and appreciate the child for who it is, as it is.

Trying to be with people who are highly conditioned and unaware as if they are highly aware is going to be frustrating. Trying to make something become something it is not is frustrating. But if you know what you are dealing with and you address it accordingly, with a clear head, you can then make a change.

Thank you for this Starsha.

Did Jesus, Buddha, Mother Theresa or the many other evolved souls find it difficult to be around "3-D personalities or those not as awake"?

It does make me wonder if those of us who 'think we're so awake' really are as advanced and awake as we think - if we are having this problem.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Is there a problem with someone for a tender mind, committing suicide, thinking that they are going to go 'home'?

Pie'n'eal, Suicide is an interesting topic on which I have recently changed my thoughts dramatically. Since I felt it would take this thread off course, would you like to start a new thread just about suicide?

[Tarka the Duck]

Thank you for this Starsha.

Did Jesus, Buddha, Mother Theresa or the many other evolved souls find it difficult to be around "3-D personalities or those not as awake"?

It does make me wonder if those of us who 'think we're so awake' really are as advanced and awake as we think - if we are having this problem.

I wonder the same thing, BBR!
I spent a little time as a member of an almost cult-like organisation where some of the members considered themselves "purer" and "more spiritual" and would physically remove themselves from the hoi polloi, saying they didn't want to be contaminated by those with a lower vibration...

[PurpleLama]

Some might disagree, but it would make sense that knowing of one's soul's origins can't be all that helpful, otherwise we wouldn't all be forgetting in the first place. If one believes oneself to have particular origins that makes one special or different, well that is a red flag for the temptation to self-aggrandize.

[modwiz]

Some might disagree, but it would make sense that knowing of one's soul's origins can't be all that helpful, otherwise we wouldn't all be forgetting in the first place. If one believes oneself to have particular origins that makes one special or different, well that is a red flag for the temptation to self-aggrandize.

Amen brother. The distraction factor as well. Be here now. It is the point of power. Give up this point and give up power. All about empowerment and not being a victim.

[karelia]

Did Jesus, Buddha, Mother Theresa or the many other evolved souls find it difficult to be around "3-D personalities or those not as awake"?

It does make me wonder if those of us who 'think we're so awake' really are as advanced and awake as we think - if we are having this problem.

Since I don't recall meeting either Buddha or Mother Theresa or the many other evolved souls, I have no idea whether or not they find it difficult. I also don't think there was any elitist thought whatsoever in the OP's question; it was simply an invitation to share whether one feels out of place on this planet, which many of us do, and it has very little to do with thinking how awake we are, or advanced. Sort of like if you, as a European, find yourself in some African village because your husband works for the Marriott, and said African village has suddenly become the latest craze in tourism, but you've never really had any interest whatsoever in Africa, least of all some village there. You go, but you feel positively displaced because you can't find the food you're used to, your friends and family are thousands of miles away and the internet connection is wonky at best. Would you feel "above" the locals? That depends on your consciousness. Would you feel lonely? Hell, yeah, unless you're a true loner and not just an introvert. I doubt it has anything to do with feeling "purer" or "more spiritual." It's more like, "OMG where tf did I end up and how do I get home with my soul intact???" No, it really isn't about being "special" or "different." The feeling is more one of "displaced" without a map showing how to get home.

[TraineeHuman]

Hello TH

As far as I’m aware, the end goal of finding and eventually getting frequent/continuous contact with one’s own inner nature – at least, say, the “I am” part which is always either joyful/blissful or extraordinarily detached/clear – requires the achievement of certain things. Chief among these is having many insights into one’s past and into people or events in one’s past.

According to whom?

That's according to all my experience, and that of other people I have known who appear to have achieved a substantial level of liberation.

Perhaps I should add that the insights into your past carry through and change who you are in the present.

As the Oracle at Delphi said, above all it's necessary to know thyself.

I guess I could also say that's also true according to me as someone influenced by ever so many serious spiritual teachers, plus some reading of Aurobindo (who in the world of comparative religion and comparative philosophy is generally considered the most complete and laudable authority on explaining what the spiritual life truly involves), plus even, say Alan Watts, and also Jung. As far as I'm aware, at their advanced level the ancient Eastern spiritual paths/disciplines were largely psychotherapies.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Did Jesus, Buddha, Mother Theresa or the many other evolved souls find it difficult to be around "3-D personalities or those not as awake"?

It does make me wonder if those of us who 'think we're so awake' really are as advanced and awake as we think - if we are having this problem.

Since I don't recall meeting either Buddha or Mother Theresa or the many other evolved souls, I have no idea whether or not they find it difficult. I also don't think there was any elitist thought whatsoever in the OP's question; it was simply an invitation to share whether one feels out of place on this planet, which many of us do, and it has very little to do with thinking how awake we are, or advanced. Sort of like if you, as a European, find yourself in some African village because your husband works for the Marriott, and said African village has suddenly become the latest craze in tourism, but you've never really had any interest whatsoever in Africa, least of all some village there. You go, but you feel positively displaced because you can't find the food you're used to, your friends and family are thousands of miles away and the internet connection is wonky at best. Would you feel "above" the locals? That depends on your consciousness. Would you feel lonely? Hell, yeah, unless you're a true loner and not just an introvert. I doubt it has anything to do with feeling "purer" or "more spiritual." It's more like, "OMG where tf did I end up and how do I get home with my soul intact???" No, it really isn't about being "special" or "different." The feeling is more one of "displaced" without a map showing how to get home.

Yep, and having no idea where the hell i left the map or if i did even get one is not making things easier AT ALL, the OMG where tf did i end up and how the hell will i get home intact resonates pretty much with my personal experience. Nevertheless having to deal with this for better or worse still feels like one huge gamble since i will not know the outcome untill i pass on, bummer:( If i knew right now where it all would lead to, it would sure as hell not make the remaining time any better, this goes for the best case and worst case scenarios.) Crap!!

[Tarka the Duck]

Perhaps I should add that the insights into your past carry through and change who you are in the present.

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Thanks for the clarification, TH. I would agree with that statement.

I find this relevant:

"If you want to know the past, look at your present.
If you want to know the future, look at your present."

Siddhartha