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onawah

10th June 2012, 16:42

Songs, you wrote:

...a mass uncloaking would most likely only prompt more global hysteria and unite the tribes briefly in an allout nuclear or biological war. While this would no doubt serve the anunnaki remnant controllers, in the case of the evolution that's not such a great scenario, and it's always been about supporting the possibility of evolution within both the anunnaki and homo sapiens species. There's no longer any support for that project, it's considered that what's done is now done and the collective energy is withdrawing and preparing to support Gaia in whichever way zhe decides to jump. I've said here before, wherever zhe goes the Otherkind and Starkind will go too- if it turns out that the decision is made to shift dimension, this one is going to be left with enough signal to sustain it at its current level and then all the energy that has been holding the signal for the evolution will be leaving. They'll have exactly what they've been demanding- their house will be abandoned to them and they can do with it what they will. If this means they devolve back to their original form the process won't take long- think of the creatures from 28 Days Later and you'll have a general idea, so nothing is going to survive that for long, and then they'll die from having nothing to feed on, just like their makers. That's the likeliest scenario. Then it will be a matter of allowing the virus to die out of the energetic signal (which it will without any carriers) and then the option to rehabilitate and restore this planetary avatar will be in the possibility field.

Is what you are describing here two separate Earths/parallel realities, then, splitting off from each other, one in 3D and one in a higher frequency, or are you saying that Gaia may be leaving this avatar and going to inhabit a different planet that is not already inhabited with a sentient being like herself, taking the Starkind and Otherkind with her who choose to make the journey?
Who do you think would restore the abandoned avatar once the remaining population has destroyed itself?

can you honestly see a positive outcome happening with differences in species? The film District 9 explored this one well, methinks...
Bottom line: offworlders and Otherkind are no longer prepared to die for homo sapiens. No more sacrifices for a possibility that has now run its course. Now, it's time for packing up the show and seeing who goes where.

Well, many of our most knowledgable whistleblowers like Bob Dean seem to concur with many of the psychics, channelers, life regressionists, etc. who say that Earth is very unique among planets in that there are representatives of so many different genomes here from other ET races. So it's become a bit complicated, and more difficult to say really who is home sapien and who is not, because it's such a melting pot here and has been for a long time.
The theory I've been resonating most with is that those who cannot deal with a completely new paradigm free of "isms", religion, war, pollution, competition, etc. and who are not ready for ET/ED presence here, will no longer be able to survive here, and will incarnate on other planets that will give them further opportunities for evolution in 3D.

One theory is that souls that are simply incapable of evolution eventually get recycled--their spark of pure consciousness loses its individuality and is reabsorbed into the greater field of Consciousness, though hopefully, as you say, the process is swift, since it can't be pleasant.

I think it's quite possible that there are beings/bodhisattvas at very high levels which are pure compassion, and their playing field is one in which they dream up and apply skillful means for helping lesser consciousnesses evolve.
Like the healers who helped you to recover after your encounter with the Annunaki.

Beings at levels higher than 3D but not as high as the bodhisattvas are apparently free to enjoy, play and create for a very long time, but eventually may become restless and bored even with that.
The Law of One says that it becomes difficult to progress into higher dimensions quickly without sometimes descending to lower levels to assist, which has the tendency to bring about more rapid evolution. So the choice is there to linger for a long time in the playing fields, or help out in the nursery so that one may progress more quickly into the higher levels.
That resonates with me, perhaps because I have met some really compassionate beings, both in form and without form.
Fortunately, the development of greater and greater capacity for Compassion makes this less than tedious and actually enjoyable, though I can understand why you are feeling tedium now on this planet, which certainly does seem long overdue for a big leap upwards.
A lot of people are certainly feeling that too, myself included.
I think those of us who have been here for a long time, working towards that big leap have the feeling we have paid our dues and the leap needs to come sooner than soon.
The resistance is becoming intolerable, but that could also mean that things will be quickening and moving faster toward the leap, rather than the opposite.

I think the self-sacrifice game is winding up too, and progress will be made not by the psychopaths making more martyrs out of us, but by the higher frequencies creating an environment where work and play become as one, and there is cooperation in making the paradigm here sustainable and harmonious, which will be a joyous process, as those remaining here will all be lovers of Nature.

I don't think there will be any mass Disclosure before there has been a mass migration out of here of souls who are not equipped to deal with that peacefully and with a welcoming attitude towards ETs.

But I will not argue about who's right or wrong in their theories. Ours aren't all that different, in any case.
I've engaged in the "channeling war" too, and it got old really fast.
I'm amazed at how long it has been going on here on PA!
I am not a devotee of any channeler or a staunch "believer" in any particular theory, but I go with what resonates and am open to revision as needed.
I did engage in the channeling war for a time because I was dismayed by the growing number of GFL posts that were filling up the forum, and so I began to question the source of all those messages and their validity.
I support anyone's free will decision to read those messages, but I had an objection to Avalon being diverted from its original mission, and it felt to me like there was a movement toward taking it over by GFL proponents, silencing any voices of dissent.
Eventually, the person who was responsible for most of the GLF posts stopped, though there is still a big debate going on, obviously.
Which I hope will burn itself out in time, as there are so many more interesting things to discuss!
Fortunately, others have taken up the gauntlet, and I don't feel obliged anymore to help keep the PA boundaries intact.

At the same time, I continue to read and consider channeled messages that seem to have some truth to them and have a vibe I can deal with, such as Suzy Ward, Tyberonn ( whose descriptions of the history of Atlantis, the role of crystals in forming the old and the new grid I find really fascinating) and some of the channelers or psychics who just deal very helpfully, IMHO, with psychological effects of the Shift that many of us are feeling.

Your theories about the Annunaki are very interesting.
Where do you think the Liliths got the Starkind DNA from, which they used to splice into their own genetics?
Do you think Abraham and his descendants as described in the Bible, Sitchin and Sir Lawrence Gardner's works were part of that rebellion against the Annunaki?
After reading most of Sitchin's books and much of Gardner's work, that seemed to me to be the logical conclusion.
Though it seems they were hindered every step of the way by the bloodline of the Annunaki and their puppets, even to the present day.

Though they were a mix of Starkind and Annunaki, their Starkind genetics evolved them into beings that would not tolerate the domination of the Annunaki or their parasitical ways.
Presumably, they bred with homo sapiens as well as their own kind, and helped improve those genetics, but were neither homo sapien nor Annunaki, nor purely Starkind, and the "melting pot" just got more diverse as other Starkind continued to incarnate here, mutating the genome with their particular energy signatures.
It seems likely to me that the differences in the various races of Earth are proof of these various ETs races bringing their genetics here.

Do you think the intermingling of the Starkind genetics with the homo sapien can result in a more evolved homo sapien genome eventually, with the addition of higher frequencies to the recipe?
It sounds more like you think homo sapien is just a failed experiment.
I wonder though if the Starkind, EDs, etc. would have been putting so much time and energy into this Earth experiment if it had been doomed all along.
I like to think they have more farsight than that.

In the Michael Teachings, there is a whole theory about the evolution of planets, and according to that, Earth is graduating now to the next level and will not for much longer be a school for younger souls.
This parallels the theory about rising frequencies, just expresses it in a different way.
The Teachings describe the evolution of individual souls as well, and soul groups and how the soul groups break down into individual souls which begin life on this planet as nature spirits or devas, then progress to human.
Many cycles are spent in human consciousness, progressing from the level of Infant soul, to Baby to Young to Mature to Old, and then the individual souls regroup into the monad of that soul, which is the product of all that souls incarnations, and then the monads of the whole soul group coalesce into a single individual, which may choose to become what the Teachings call a Cosmic soul, I think it is, and then after many cycles as a Cosmic soul, into a Universal Soul.
These express themselves as Avatars in the old sense of the word, those Bodhisattvic souls which have great powers and can help to raise the consciousness of many.
The other choice, presumably, is to cycle up into the higher, more blissful playing fields.

Of course, the way this is all laid out in the Teachings make the process look so orderly, when obviously there is much more chaos and diversity in the way that individuals, groups, races, planets evolve, as evinced on Earth.

There are a lot of people working with the Michael Teachings system tracking their individual, personal growth and I think there is a lot of validity in the basic premises.
Though it gets a bit technical for me, and I prefer to continue exploring the larger picture.

Thanks for explaining what you meant by the term "Annu".
Would you care to expound on what the difference is between Starkind and Otherkind.
Please excuse if I am asking you to repeat yourself.
I have gone back and started reading the Pub thread from the beginning, but it's slow going, and I am only up to page 28 so far.
It's amazing to me this thread is so young still, only started on the 12th of March.
Such a lot of territory has been covered since then!
I still like the Pub playing field, but I'm glad we've gotten down to some serious business too.
Thanks again for chatting!

onawah

10th June 2012, 18:39

Songs wrote:
High frequencies are scientifically proven to destroy parasitic life forms in their various expressions. I posted about this on the forum, before I created the Pub, I think: basically, I was surfing through the otherrealms and having conversations with some interesting Beings regarding the best way to dissolve the virus. I got the information regarding high frequencies; when I came back to this realm I decided to google it and see if there was anything corresponding to this in the science here. The first hit was an article regarding a father/son team that was using high frequencies to destroy viruses within the cells without harming the cells themselves. This was a flow on from their interest in the works of an individual in the 1920's that was curing cancer with frequency. I currently wear a variation of one of those frequency machines 24/7 to get rid of the excess cortisol in my system due to being continuously adrenaline fried; the difference has been profound. We're next tweaking the frequency to support my thyroid and heart, to heal the damage done there; after that, I'm going deep diving with some embodied offworlders here so that we can tune it to my otherkind genetics and get through the virus contracts that way, while I take on the dissolving in the energetic contract area. The machine means I'm not diverting my consciousness energy to do something on a physical level that a simple handsized device can do for me.

You are referring to Rife's technology here, yes?
Can you give a link for the device you have? Thanks.
I know there have been devices made based on his work, but didn't know if any of them are doing what they were actually supposed to do.
There are computer programs now that are doing similar things.
A friend of mine had one for awhile.
She thought it worked well, but it required a lot of technical expertise and was cost prohibitive.
It has sensors that can be used to embed into a massage table so the client is receiving healing frequencies while being massaged, and also sensors that directly attach to the client.
I experienced it a few times, and it felt quite lovely.

Songs wrote:
There are many religious, spiritual and traditional texts that point to an increase in the aggressive behaviour of animals due to the dissonant aggravation of the increasing low vibration signal towards the time of the shift. This low vibration signal has been around for a very long time. There are also species that are the result of lab experiments rather than the art of Gaia. As far as I see it, what will happen in terms of the shifting signal is what's going to happen. It makes sense that the behaviour of certain animal kinds will also shift as the frequency does- some will not be able to make the jump because their biology and natures aren't geared for that kind of evolution. The dinosaurs died out for the same reason and Jurassic Park pointed out that this is actually a Good Thing.

Suzy Ward also says that long ago, the frequencies on Earth were higher and it was the lowering of frequencies by negatively oriented ETs coming here and incarnating here which brought about the aggression and carnivorous behavior in our current predators.
Tyberonn goes into some detail in his messages about the experiments that those who sided with the Dark before the demise of Atlantis engaged in, creating chimeras for use as slaves and just for their own depraved amusement. Obviously, after the Fall of Atlantis, the frequencies were again debased, which led to more aggression in humankind and animals as well, no doubt.
He described the main city before the Fall being home to various humanoids (including Pleiadieans, Sirians and Andormedans) living in different frequencies, but able to interact with each other on various levels in a beneficially mutual, interdependent society.
I envision that happening again, and Tyberonn predicts that something like that will develop over time, though he says it will take a couple of centuries.
He says that some of the technologies are still here, as they were preserved from destruction and relocated to safe hiding places underground by the Atlanteans still in service to the Light, and some of them are being reactivated in stages now.
Dr. Semir Osmanagich, one of the frequent presenters at Tyberonn's events, has been excavating the Bosnian Pyramid complex, and is uncovering some of the secrets of how the pyramids were used as energy sources. You can see more about his work at this thread, if you haven't already at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4037-Bosnian-Valley-of-the-Pyramids-Worlds-Biggest-Pyramids/page12&highlight=bosnian+pyramid
(It used to be sticky thread, but it's been moved to General Discussion now, so is a little harder to find. I notice that TruthSeekerDan, who has been working with Dr Semir at the site, hasn't posted for awhile, though hopefully he will again. It's been a most fascinating thread. I saw Dr. Semir speak in Little Rock at the 12:12:12 event, and just experiencing his presence was an education in itself, actually a kind of Contact experience, I felt, though he was born on Earth)

I wrote:
And to have open Contact on the planet with advanced ET/ED races will certainly be wonderful. That's clearly been happening already on many levels, and will surely only continue to escalate.
Songs replied:
I did come across an Alfred Adask book and I read a little of it: I had to put it down because I couldn't for the life of me figure out why offworlders would wear such twee clothing and speak such banal stuff. I considered that they *may* have been a group with a very Douglas Adams sense of humour, which made sense to me- then I considered that this may explain who Douglas Adams actually was, one of that crew. It's given me many hours of amusement and led to some interesting conversations with equally bent humoured offworlders...

Alfred Adask is a Constitutionalist. See:
http://adask.wordpress.com/
I think you meant to write George Adamski's name, not Alfred Adask's.
I included Adamski's photo in the recent post you are responding to. He was a Contactee, one of the first to go public with his experiences in recent times. See:
http://www.adamskifoundation.com/html/AboutGA.htm
Just wanted to clear that up, so others reading this aren't confused by it.

onawah

10th June 2012, 21:59

On the subject of "God" Songs wrote:

Huh. something in another thread has really bugged me, it seems- continued references to the christian god as being a good guy and power have apparently irritated my deeply and it's energetically leaking out in my writing. It seems what I'm truly feeling is an utter, profound and absolute 'I'M OVER IT NOW, CAN WE DO SOMETHING ELSE?' about the whole global farce. It's gone to beyond boring, and yet there's a part of me that's aware the remnant anunnaki systems want to take everything down to the last nanosecond. I get this from the anunnaki as evolutionary catalyst perspective *and* the whole thing is tedious now- I've never liked homo sapiens even though I was willing to be a part of those holding the space for them to evolve, accepting the personal cost that came with this endeavour, yet now that the decision of 'no more' has been made I find my Self impatient and restless, eager to immerse my Self in the physical Otherrealms again and do interesting things, compared to this endless recursion. The leaking energy wasn't aimed at you or anyone else, to be clear: I'm lonely here, profoundly lonely, and I'm frankly tired of having dreams that show me I'm going to get shot at for talking publicly about the sui generis. I like the outcome of being shot at, that's lots of fun- it's just knowing that fundamental stupidity is the default position for so many is tedious.
and:
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.I did look at the site and tried a few 'transmissions' and I couldn't keep going- as soon as any start talking about 'god' my mind goes fuzzy and I get the glazed look in my eyes that make reading impossible. I've met some cosmic level Creators; they're utterly sui generis and not at all into heteronomy. I have found that in the 'walk in' world, there's so much 'god' stuff that I can feel my horns itching to grow then and there, which isn't going to go down well with that crew. The way I figure it is, this is all part of the sui generis unfolding in the 'choose your universe!' way- and I long ago put my hand up for a Creator based rather than god based multiverse. In saying 'Creator', I'm referring to something *vastly* different from the standard interpretation of this and am using the actual meaning of the word: "one that creates usually by bringing something new or original into being; " *without* all the loading that this word brings with it when we're talking Creator on a cosmic scale. For some odd reason, the conflation that goes along with creation here seems to be upscaled to cosmic level in the human interpretations- gee, I wonder why that is..so mmm, anything advocating anything less than universal siu generis, I kind of get bored kid in the back of the class with...
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I am getting to that bored place myself, so tired of sifting and sorting, looking for other voices that speak at least in some part in a language I can understand and feel some resonance with, but compromise is still adhered to so much since the penalties for bringing in too pure a frequency can still be fatal at worst, or perhaps incomprehensible at best.
There is comfort for me in the company of my soul group, but none of them seem to be here where I am.
I think I am here to hold the Light for this area in space for a while longer, then hopefully I can rejoin them, or perhaps some of them will join me...

As for others holding the Light, while some are infinitely patient, some, are firing at all levels, taking risks, itching for the next step...
Others are kind and gentle with the Mother's touch, some are brutally honest, like a surgeon's knife.
Some feel like they can't wait another moment, and cannot discount the possibility they are already beginning to falter, unless something changes very soon.
I can feel and operate from all those places myself at different times.

There was a time when the word "God" had nothing but a discordant resonance for me.
Too many associations from childhood religious programming of a jealous, punishing toxic Father figure.
Later... even more outraged misogynist associations with the word as I became more and more in love with the Divine Feminine Goddess frequencies.
And later yet, a kind of benumbed revelatory state when the godlike roles the Annunaki pretended to in certain chapters in Earth history became clear to me.

But eventually, the word has become less loaded for me, as I've began to think of God as I think the word is being used again in certain circles, a vast spirit that truly is in service to our Universe and which is connected to all that lives within the Universe, which is the indwelling spirit of the Universe itself, and feels all, sees all, but cannot act except through the beings that inhabit this Universe.
"Creator" for me, signifies the much vaster Being that created all the Multiverse, to whom all the Gods of all the Universes are but partial expressions, but which expresses all the aspects of the Gods/Goddesses the Hindus use to describe that being, including of course, Creator, Sustainer and Destroyer.
Perhaps the Gods of the Universes are evolving through their own process to eventually join again with Creator.
I feel that is likely.
But words only signify that meaning which we choose to attach to them, and we may all choose differently here, as in all things.

I do not resonate with all the messages on the BlueStar site either, and have to sift through there as well.
The two walk-ins I mentioned claim they are a Pleiadian and an Andromedan spirit, and BlueStar the Pleiadian, the father figure for Celeste, is a Pleiadian, obviously, who claims he has recently become a walk-in on Earth as well.
I cannot testify to the truth or accuracy of all the messages, or indeed, any of them, but I was attracted to it I think because of the compassion I feel coming from those three, though not necessarily from all of the messages that come through them.
They are having a hard time being here too, obviously a common problem among walk-ins from higher levels, and all others operating at a higher level than the predominant frequency here on Earth now, but hopefully, that situation will soon reverse itself, and it will be the ones who cannot bear the higher frequencies who will be leaving, leaving those of us here who love Gaia.
I would like to see Gaia's avatar returned to a pristine state without having to be relinquished first to those immature or hopelessly regressive souls who are indifferent to her wellbeing, even if it takes longer and requires yet more patience from those who are here to help bring that about asap.
No easy task, certainly, in the face of all that needs to be reversed and healed.
But if that will be the case, I cannot say; it is only one that I hope for and work towards...

To be operating from a place of Love, rather than a place of fascination, is something I feel many of us need to be careful of.
According to Dr. Hills theory of Nuclear Evolution, intuition is the place where fascination may become the pitfall.
It can be a state of constantly fluctuating from the present to the imagined future and then back again, in conflict with those who prefer the past as well as those who live in the NOW, and battling with a self-created block to the next level of the Imagination, a much more purely and ruthlessly creative, less relativistic space, where one lives in the Now, which is not past, present or future, but all in one, as Time is seen for the construct that it is.

songsfortheotherkind

11th June 2012, 00:33

I think you meant to write George Adamski's name, not Alfred Adask's.

I did mean to write George's name, not Alfred's. I have come across one of George's books- the rest of my response is in relation to my experience of George's book.

I'll reply to the rest of your comment when I'm fully awake. :)

songsfortheotherkind

11th June 2012, 02:21

I would like to make something really clear here: everything that I write about in terms of the Anun histories, the anunnaki, how I experience the multiverse, this universe and this planet, my relationships with Otherkind in all their various singularity forms, sui generis and everything else doesn't come from outside of me, it is actually what is in me, what I remember, how I orient to the multiverse, what I've personally experienced, intuited, remembered and, in the case of the sui generis language and perspective I'm working on, in some ways created.

I get that there are many out there with various perspectives and information. What I am truly interested in is the personal , singularity perspective of those that I come into contact with, because the sui generis is all about the *singularity* and what richness that has brought with it. I don't often reference the works and perspectives of others because in all honesty I'm utterly absorbed in following my own signal and relationships. I am for holding the space for *all* Beings here in this realm and who are up for it to step into whatever path they're up for regardless of how impossible or outrageous they might think that to be, because of the stories abounding here in this paradigm about what can or cannot happen, what is and isn't possible.

I know there are Beings both here in the Pub and elsewhere who experience their Self and perspective as something too whatever to express: I would like to say that I utterly, absolutely and unequivocally do not have any issues with whatever perspective another individual has, provided they are not expecting me to *embrace it as my own*. This Pub expression is an ongoing research and development space for working out the nuts and bolts of *how to hold the space for absolute sui generis, the space where *all* signals can meet without the pressure or desire for homogeny. To this end, I keep sending out the invitation and the call- tell me *your* singularity perspective. Tell me about the universe you inhabit and how you see things and let us explore how it is that all these different universes work together, what is necessary in order for all of these to co-create together.

Is it enough that we simply *do* experience things differently? Is the multiverse an inbuilt functionality of the Being so that we can have these without having to have an endlessly unfolding platform of physical or energetic universes? For instance, on the Freewill thread in the Spirituality forum, there is an exploration going on that involves Beings of very different perspectives: some of these have a very very clear and personal perspective and, more importantly, experience involving a god Being and an association with what is often referred to as christ consciousness, or with the one called christ in whatever experience that takes.

Personally, *in my 'Verse* the bible is an anunnaki and Anun document and that what is being discussed in it in part is the anunnaki histories, the virus, heteronomy, control, domination and homogeny. I have a very clear experience of this. The thing is, it doesn't matter to me that others have a different experience- I don't need to argue it with them. I know I can have co-creation with them to the extent that our differing views allow; in some cases, this may be quite extensive and in other cases not at all. I am honest when I say that I don't really pay much attention to external authorities in many areas of interest at all: my relationship with my offworld and Otherkind family/guides is that we are in a dialogue of *exploration* rather than me being 'told' and faithfully passing on whatever it is that I'm being told, which is, as I understand it, what certain realms of channeling are about. This is utterly not what happens with me at all, ever: I'm a sui generis Being, *everything* goes through that internal filter, even the things that I'm being shown in the otherrealms by Creators. I don't buy anything that doesn't sit with my internal compass and I champion that all Beings do the same thing.

I share what I do about my realms because it's my Art, it's the expression of *my* sui generis, not because I'm looking to create some kind of consensus reality that precludes anyone else's Art and experience. Some Art I resonate to; gods aren't part of this, *and* that's ok- I can talk with individuals who believe in god/s, sure, up to the point where they speak about their perspective as if it encompasses *my* experience also. In this, I'm very Erik the Viking with the christian priest, who knew that his perspective was his own and they vikings would tolerate it to a point, which was moving from the 'I' language to conversion or intrusion.

This is one of the frequencies that currently, most Beings have *no clue* how to really embrace, including me- I struggle with the expression of my own nature and biology all the time, with sometimes *very* pear shaped results: I'm a succubus in a world of non-Cubus Beings and sometimes the resultant starvation can drive me into episodes of banshee like behaviour because I still don't have a handle on how to do succubus here; I flounder with language, with concepts, with the noise and worlds of goo that the contracts and Monsanto claims on my biology create, with living into this space that I'm so passionate about. Everything I do is me bumbling my way through a way of Being that I'm being shown conceptually but not in nuts and bolts terms.

What I've realised is that there's not much conversation going on about sui generis expression in the day to day realm and that's where I'm going more with my conversations and writing. I have very specific experiences around the Otherkind histories that absolutely link to my experience of the evolution signal; it's this I am going to explore more, as well as doing a Minority Report style diving into the nuts and bolts frequency, pulling out a chunk of the signal and really getting into it so that I can catch where the signal is carrying virus and dissolve it. I want to dive beneath the virus itself and go straight to the blueprint, bring *that* back up so that we can use a map that isn't loaded with worlds of WTF?

http://us8.memecdn.com/whoa-wtf_o_316248.jpg

Yes- it is true, I am looking for an experience that doesn't require much of the above.

I can't put my finger on what exactly it is that I'm sensing or seeing, yet I'm aware that it's there in the space so I'm going to hold onto my sui generis *more* and write/create from there. I don't know what exactly it is that's sliding through the rooms here at the Pub *and* I do know that with as many watchers, intuitives, fire eyes and Others of all kinds as we have here, it will come to light soon enough: it's a creeping, draining of energy kind of thing, a subtle wasteland. Sui generis has passion and Life- this signal, has none of that.

So, my fellow Publians, perhaps the best response is a sui generiously passionate one, no? *bounces* Let's see what happens next... :)

onawah

11th June 2012, 03:58

I think you've made yourself really clear about all the above (in post 3506), Songs, and always have on this thread, in fact.
I get it, but I think I have even more of the same problems that you do in this regard:

This is one of the frequencies that currently, most Beings have *no clue* how to really embrace, including me- I struggle with the expression of my own nature and biology all the time, with sometimes *very* pear shaped results: I flounder with language, with concepts, with the noise and worlds of goo that the contracts and Monsanto claims on my biology create, with living into this space that I'm so passionate about. Everything I do is me bumbling my way through a way of Being that I'm being shown conceptually but not in nuts and bolts terms.
(I omitted the part about the sucubus because although I think I've also experienced that at times in my life, I'm pretty much cancelling that program as best I can, and it doesn't have much to do with what I'm interested in now.
I make do with spending time in Nature and eating as much in the way of live foods as I can,which gives me enough to sustain myself energetically, though occasionally I do still like to draw on the energy of a lively gathering.)

What I would really like is to know more about what your direct experience, knowledge and memories are of the Annunaki, Anun, Starkind and Otherkind.
One of the missions I seem to have come into this incarnation with is to trace and understand the history of my soul group, many of whom have been on the planet at least since the beginnings of Atlantis, as far as I can determine, and to understand the ways the whole planet has been affected by the Annunaki,the Anun, and what the origins of our connections are with Starkind and our present and future involvement with them..
(I'm still not sure I understand what you mean by Otherkind, but I would like to know more.)
Much of what I know has not come from direct knowledge, but from gathering as much info as I can from other sources.
When I find sources that I feel are in touch with something real, I can more easily tune into what feels relevant to what I am researching, and that seems to catalyze my ability to then identify more missing pieces of the puzzle that help give me a fuller picture.
I think I would probably be good at remote viewing and that sort of thing if I were trained in it, but that opportunity has not come about as yet, so I'm using the internet to explore subjects that I would like to remote view, and from there, tuning more into my own direct knowingness.

Because my own signal has been so subverted in this lifetime from battles with partial possession to injection with live monkey viruses via a contaminated polio vaccine, very negative after effects of an extremely powerful LSD trip, to a NDE and a concussion that have left me with physical disabilities and a very different perspective and way of running energy through my being than most people.
Last but not least, separation from my loved ones, and a reclusive life style that gets very lonely, something you obviously experience as well and understand.
On the positive side, I've had direct contact with higher dimensional beings, amazing experiences with animal totems that helped me tremendously in charting my path through life, wonderful connections with soul group members, lots of wonderful teachers who added to my knowledge of so many things.
So what I am doing is sharing some of my experience with you and others on this thread, in hopes that providing some context as to who I am may help in finding further communication pathways that are beneficial to this thread , and perhaps will encourage others to find a way to chart their own way into this relatively uncharted exploration of sui generis, what that means to each of us, how we have struggled to arrive here at the threshold of this absorbing subject and how we can embrace it.

Songs wrote:
This is one of the frequencies that currently, most Beings have *no clue* how to really embrace, including me- I struggle with the expression of my own nature and biology all the time, with sometimes *very* pear shaped results: I'm a succubus in a world of non-Cubus Beings and sometimes the resultant starvation can drive me into episodes of banshee like behaviour because I still don't have a handle on how to do succubus here; I flounder with language, with concepts, with the noise and worlds of goo that the contracts and Monsanto claims on my biology create, with living into this space that I'm so passionate about. Everything I do is me bumbling my way through a way of Being that I'm being shown conceptually but not in nuts and bolts terms.

The source of this feeling may be what many have felt on Avalon for a long time, carriers both conscious and unconscious of the virus whose task it is to muck up the lines of communication with as much goo as possible of various kinds.
Though I think that has been avoided for the most part on this thread, that is certainly not true of Avalon in general.
Or it may just be the virus that all we Publians are trying to kick out of our own systems.
I come face to face with my own strains of it every time I post on this thread and usually end up feeling less than genuine when my words fail so much in expressing who I really feel myself to be, but I am doing the best I can to find a way into the thread that will best offer what I have to share here, not even sure if what I am sharing is appropriate.
Perhaps the forum is not really the best place for this discussion.
Or perhaps we just aren't ready yet to really get into the subject matter that might best help us to understand who we really are, where we've been and where we're going.
The spirit of fun and play on this thread has been much to be grateful for in and of itself, I would say, but I for one, have high hopes this thread will continue to evolve and grow. I think it's off to a tremendous start.

But inasmuch as many have expressed a desire to hear more of what you know, Songs, about the Annuanki, Anun, Starkind and Otherkind, it feels safe to me at least to hope that we can hear more about that from you, and I would think that the virus won't find those subjects so irresistible a target that it won't allow that to happen.
Do you feel like going there?
Is it something you want to write about here, or do you feel those subjects are better suited to your film making?
Perhaps this could be a good venue for laying the groundwork for the film?

songsfortheotherkind

11th June 2012, 06:20

Is what you are describing here two separate Earths/parallel realities, then, splitting off from each other, one in 3D and one in a higher frequency, or are you saying that Gaia may be leaving this avatar and going to inhabit a different planet that is not already inhabited with a sentient being like herself, taking the Starkind and Otherkind with her who choose to make the journey?

I can only reiterate my own experiences of being in the multiverse simultaneously. I know that either of these scenarios- as well as other possibilities that haven't even been discussed because they're so outside the scope of the experience here- are possible. What I *am* personally aware of are the discussions that I've been a part of that directly consider the practicalities that I've spoken about regarding moving 7 billion somewhere else to do their own thing, or of those carriers of the evolution frequencies going somewhere else. The sui generis aspect of the discussions are the elements that I personally am absorbed by: I love seeing the sui generis in deep expression, so I'm not really caught up so much in the nuts and bolts of whatever.

As far as Gaia walking in to another planetary avatar, she already has connection with many of them: this is one of the things I've been trying to explain about walking in- one doesn't just stroll through the gates of Mordor and one cannot walk in to an avatar that one doesn't have a prior signal connection to either. Bruce Lipton's work in this area has been really useful for giving me a descriptive platform from which I can discuss this: he demonstrated that the signal of the Being is downloading into the avatar from outside the physical and that it is the unique frequency of that signal that tells teh body what belongs to it and what doesn't. This is the foundation of the transplant rejection that needs to be controlled and why blood is not about a 'type', because individuals can react to the right blood type because they're allergic to something in teh other individual's blood. It's just not possible to walk in to an avatar that isn't remotely connected to one's own signal: I shared the space of this avatar with another being until 2002, for various reasons (some of which are only recently coming to light) and even then I had major issues because it was an abrupt transfer of primary downloading from her to me. The only two ways to walk in *without* creating a major schism in the avatar are being aligned with it already, creating a process of agreement and realigning with the Being whose avatar it is (and this takes time)- anything else is without sui generis and creates a lot of upheaval and dis-ease in the physical.

Gaia's avatar is a giant gateway, stargate, interdimensional portal; she's covered in vibrational gateways and zhur abilities are phenomenal. Zhe is entirely capable of jumping zhur entire avatar, translocation style, to another place in the multiverse *and* this has it's own issues and difficulties when we're talking that kind of translocation- the balancing act required with inserting a planetary avatar into a new orbit and solar system's delicate dance is like cutting in on an intimate conversation and it's not something done lightly. This is one of the reasons the planetary avatars were created interlinked- and it's one of the reasons so many different Beings became involved in the quarantine and the creation of the Veil between dimensions here: there was absolutely no way the anunnaki were going to be permitted to spread across the multiverse. It's one of the reasons so many sci-fi stories deal with the idea of a race that spreads itself across the universe- the anunnaki have never been permitted to leave here. 'Do no harm' means just that and there were limits to which this was going to be allowed to go. One of the big questions at the time was 'how do we *set* those limits, what *are* our limits?' and the answers to this coalesced over time, as it does with any Being struggling to determine what is right for *them* in the face of the actions of another. Gaia is already intimately linked with a vast number of planetary avatars all across the multiverse that share zhur unique signal, just as I have expressed that I have walked in to other expressions of 'me' in other dimensions. To me personally, it's a pretty easy concept to get my head around because I've actually experienced it. The vibrational shifting interdimensionally, that one takes a whole lot more energy, purpose, intention and focus to create: while I'm not au fait with the actual maths involved, I can say it would be energetically interesting to do.

Ultimately, Gaia will choose whatever is perfect for *zhur own* evolution and that will be exactly what's right for those that are choosing to go with her.

Who do you think would restore the abandoned avatar once the remaining population has destroyed itself?

*grins* I said their house (their construct) is abandoned to them, I didn't say they were getting the avatar- once they pass off the face of it and enough time has passed for the virus to also have died, some of those that initially left will choose to come back and do the rehabilitation and rejuvenation work. Regardless of where Gaia chooses to go or what she does, this is and always will be zhur avatar, no one else's, unless she chooses to align things that way. Always, agreement creates possibilities...

Well, many of our most knowledgable whistleblowers like Bob Dean seem to concur with many of the psychics, channelers, life regressionists, etc. who say that Earth is very unique among planets in that there are representatives of so many different genomes here from other ET races. So it's become a bit complicated, and more difficult to say really who is home sapien and who is not, because it's such a melting pot here and has been for a long time.

I have never read Bob Dean or anyone else's words so I cannot comment on it- everything that I communicate comes from my sui generis and experience in both this and the otherrealms. I have expressed here in other writing the hybridisation that has happened and the reason why; I've also expressed the multiversal University and gate way vision that started the creation of this whole planetary avatar. I wrote about the 'sliding scale' of hybridisation and how individuals move themselves in and out of that frequency depending on a number of factors, so for me it's really quite easy to see energetically who is homo sapien and who carries stronger Otherkind/Offworld signal. The hybridisation has been part of the evolution expressing its Self, as I see it.

The theory I've been resonating most with is that those who cannot deal with a completely new paradigm free of "isms", religion, war, pollution, competition, etc. and who are not ready for ET/ED presence here, will no longer be able to survive here, and will incarnate on other planets that will give them further opportunities for evolution in 3D.

I've experienced the Evolution consciousness as being reluctant to destroy one of its creations if it doesn't have to, because a huge amount of energy and effort goes in to creating each life form and singularity: it thus makes sense that frequency would look for solutions that don't require total reboots. The signal doesn't get fully recycled until-

One theory is that souls that are simply incapable of evolution eventually get recycled--their spark of pure consciousness loses its individuality and is reabsorbed into the greater field of Consciousness, though hopefully, as you say, the process is swift, since it can't be pleasant.

Yup, which is why I find the constant exhortation and discussion regarding returning to 'source' so eyebrow raising. The field of Consciousness is, to me, what I refer to as the sea of possibility, an energy source where all things are possible but nothing happens until something is chosen. The act of choice, choosing something, shifts energy out of this space and upwards into greater manifestation and cohesion.

I think it's quite possible that there are beings/bodhisattvas at very high levels which are pure compassion, and their playing field is one in which they dream up and apply skillful means for helping lesser consciousnesses evolve.

I don't really understand or resonate to the word 'compassion'- it's one of those blurry ones that have been too contorted for me to get a clear picture as to what is meant. I also find the idea of external forces 'skillfully' steering others in any direction in direct contradiction to the sui generis

Like the healers who helped you to recover after your encounter with the Annunaki.

What I was helped to process was the experience of death: in all my existence, I'd never experienced the abrupt termination from the avatar like that. It was barbaric and horrendous beyond description. This is one of the reasons I absolutely reject the notion that death is 'natural', because I know, through personal experience, that it is not.

Beings at levels higher than 3D but not as high as the bodhisattvas are apparently free to enjoy, play and create for a very long time, but eventually may become restless and bored even with that.
The Law of One says that it becomes difficult to progress into higher dimensions quickly without sometimes descending to lower levels to assist, which has the tendency to bring about more rapid evolution. So the choice is there to linger for a long time in the playing fields, or help out in the nursery so that one may progress more quickly into the higher levels.

This has resonance of hierarchy, heteronomy and the idea that 'not all sui generis Beings are really capable of their own evolution'. I am aware that there are ideas here on this plane that suggest that some realms are superior to other realms because they're 'higher' and others are 'lower'- that's hierarchical mythology, in my experience, that carries a very very subtle signal of judgement and superiority that in and of themselves indicate their lack of sui generis. It's a subtle thing and yet a really important one.

That resonates with me, perhaps because I have met some really compassionate beings, both in form and without form.
Fortunately, the development of greater and greater capacity for Compassion makes this less than tedious and actually enjoyable, though I can understand why you are feeling tedium now on this planet, which certainly does seem long overdue for a big leap upwards.

As one that doesn't do compassion, I have far different markers for creating enjoyment and co-creation here. I find the word 'compassion' far too sticky for me.

I think those of us who have been here for a long time, working towards that big leap have the feeling we have paid our dues and the leap needs to come sooner than soon.
The resistance is becoming intolerable, but that could also mean that things will be quickening and moving faster toward the leap, rather than the opposite.

I really resonate with the quickening and I certainly do hope it's going to be quicker rather than slower. :)

I don't think there will be any mass Disclosure before there has been a mass migration out of here of souls who are not equipped to deal with that peacefully and with a welcoming attitude towards ETs.

I agree about the 'wait until those that think with a gun in their hand leave' idea, because who wants to start a great party if you're going to have to deal with having nukes thrown at you? :P

Your theories about the Annunaki are very interesting.

Not theories. Histories. These come directly from my conscious history and experience.

Where do you think the Liliths got the Starkind DNA from, which they used to splice into their own genetics?

There was already a thriving, complex expression of activity here on Gaia- her own creations as well as activity happening with the multiversal gateways and University- when the anunnaki fell through the portal. The gateways were never policed or monitored- why bother doing that when all the Beings involved took full responsibility for their actions and experience?- so it wasn't noticed at first. We were also absorbed in our own work and focus, no thought that things could be amiss and when TSEventuallyHTF some horrendous things happened. Peaceful, welcoming, gentle Beings died ghastly agonising deaths. Eventually, after the second iteration, the decision was made to deliberately tweak the homo sapiens genome and biology in an effort to provide a possibility for their evolution and continued existence away from anunnaki domination and control: much of the hybridisation has been very carefully done. I know I was very picky with mine.

The Liliths used a variety of genetics, not just Offworld, hence the vast array of potentials, possibilities and signals here now.

Do you think Abraham and his descendants as described in the Bible, Sitchin and Sir Lawrence Gardner's works were part of that rebellion against the Annunaki?

Not in my history. The Lucifer/Lilith groups were the foundation of the Anun, the group that eventually largely were offered- and took- an offworld refuge from the constant anunnaki attacks. My experience is that the one called Jesus was a descendant of this group and came back in an attempt to assist the remaining anunnaki to evolve. In this incarnation I have zero interest in the remnant anunnaki and their system unless it's information that assists me in my purpose and intention.

After reading most of Sitchin's books and much of Gardner's work, that seemed to me to be the logical conclusion.

I've never read them, so cannot comment. I've heard others talk about Sitchin's work and it very much seems to be caught up in the anunnaki hierarchy and bad guys story. I see all of this history in a very very different light from that.

Though they were a mix of Starkind and Annunaki, their Starkind genetics evolved them into beings that would not tolerate the domination of the Annunaki or their parasitical ways.
Presumably, they bred with homo sapiens as well as their own kind, and helped improve those genetics, but were neither homo sapien nor Annunaki, nor purely Starkind, and the "melting pot" just got more diverse as other Starkind continued to incarnate here, mutating the genome with their particular energy signatures.
It seems likely to me that the differences in the various races of Earth are proof of these various ETs races bringing their genetics here.

That is close to the experience I have. I would like to clarify though- Otherkind are not Starkind/Offworlders. There is more than Starkind genetics in there, which is why I don't use the word ET, really.

Do you think the intermingling of the Starkind genetics with the homo sapien can result in a more evolved homo sapien genome eventually, with the addition of higher frequencies to the recipe?

Putting aside the Otherkind genetics for a moment, yes, that was exactly the idea and it has had much success. What is becoming clear now is that those still at the homo sapiens end of the scale are becoming more like the original iterations than carrying the evolution consciousness. These are the 28 Days Later kind I have spoken about, the Reavers. One does not discuss intelligently with a Reaver. The whole 6 iterations have been directly about the vision to assist these Beings to evolve to a point where they could tolerate the evolution signal.

It sounds more like you think homo sapien is just a failed experiment.

Not at all: I wrote elsewhere about the sublime experience with the group of evolved anunnaki that turned up in my space. What I'm over is the continued expending of energy towards an end that has already presented itself.

I wonder though if the Starkind, EDs, etc. would have been putting so much time and energy into this Earth experiment if it had been doomed all along.
I like to think they have more farsight than that.

We did. We did it. It's done.

In the Michael Teachings, there is a whole theory about the evolution of planets, and according to that, Earth is graduating now to the next level and will not for much longer be a school for younger souls.

This is hierarchies again, that reminds me of this systems way of 'educating' children, which is to remove them from the greater community and teach them in isolation. I unschool my own children at home, they're part of my life and the life of their entire community. Not even the youngest 'soul' needs an environment isolated from the greater multiversal community in order to grow. Homo sapiens were not 'young souls', they were outside of the Life signal- this is what the effort was made for, to give them an opportunity to become a part of the signal here despite their origins. Gaia is also in need of no 'graduating', another (to me) utterly archane concept. Evolution is continuous- infinite 'levels' of graduation? The whole graduation/schooling concept to me is bizarre and heteronomous. I use the word 'university' to describe the activity here in the sense that universities *used* to be, great places of experimental and far ranging vision. There is no sense of external authority or 'graduation' in the way I use the word.

Would you care to expound on what the difference is between Starkind and Otherkind.

Starkind are the ones many call ETs, although I don't like that word much. Starkind engage with the multiverse through a variety of differently oriented technologies, some mechanical, some organic, and can be corporeal or not. Otherkind are direct expressions of the physical realms and are deeply connected to planetary avatars and the frequencies/signals that link the physical realms. Here in this realm they are frequently referred to in terms of mythology, such as that which my Cubus kind are presented as, demons; Otherkind are linked to the physical realms but not always corporeal; they navigate the multiverse via a completely different set of frequencies than the Starkind do; for want of a better analogy, Starkind are the geeks and Otherkind are the mystics, although naturally the Starkind have their own brand of mysticism and Otherkind have their own brand of geekery. :)

Such a lot of territory has been covered since then!
I still like the Pub playing field, but I'm glad we've gotten down to some serious business too.

There's always been serious business here, it was just hidden in the throb-a-tron couches having a good time.

Thanks again for chatting!

:)

onawah

11th June 2012, 07:15

Many thanks, Songs.
This gives me a lot to consider, and inspiration to go back and read more of what you have written.
Words and concepts are so limiting, and I am gaining a deeper appreciation of that as I get a clearer picture of your perspective.
And you cleared up some important misconceptions for me.
On the subject of Otherkind... Would these include the kinds of beings that people see on Ayahuasca and other entheogens?
Beings that the indigenous peoples describe in their spiritual traditions?

songsfortheotherkind

11th June 2012, 07:48

Many thanks, Songs.
This gives me a lot to consider, and inspiration to go back and read more of what you have written.

I'm actually working my way through the Pub and the forum to gather my writing in one place so that it's easier to go through, so as you find things would you be able to post the links in a reply? I'm thinking I might just make a big links section on the first page, clustered under headings to make reading easier. :)

Words and concepts are so limiting, and I am gaining a deeper appreciation of that as I get a clearer picture of your perspective.

*nodding* That's why I have a passion for the language of the sui generis- I've actually decided to spend a lot more time in the otherrealms with a view to absorbing the language and concepts there so I can bring them back here.

And you cleared up some important misconceptions for me.

:)

On the subject of Otherkind... Would these include the kinds of beings that people see on Ayahuasca and other entheogens? Beings that the indigenous peoples describe in their spiritual traditions?

*smiling headtilt* Here's one of the reasons why I haven't taken any of those things at all so far in my incarnation: one of the gifts that was offered to the homo sapiens that were prepared to carry the evolution signal is that the Otherkind (here I'm including all expressions of Being because it's easier) were prepared to gift them the multiverse gateway access. For those that carry a high enough frequency, it activates.

This onboard gateway mechanism in is the brain. :) It can be triggered by taking certain substances and has been known to actually shift some highly sensitive Beings right out of this realm, physically. I don't presume to say that I'm one of those Beings that this would happen to *and* I know that my recent B12 and sacred cacao experiences were enough to remind me that some doorways are very very easy for me to fall through, so my instincts about the possibility that I won't come back seem to be good.

This means the answer to your question is, yes.

songsfortheotherkind

11th June 2012, 08:26

[QUOTE]This is one of the frequencies that currently, most Beings have *no clue* how to really embrace, including me- I struggle with the expression of my own nature and biology all the time, with sometimes *very* pear shaped results: I flounder with language, with concepts, with the noise and worlds of goo that the contracts and Monsanto claims on my biology create, with living into this space that I'm so passionate about. Everything I do is me bumbling my way through a way of Being that I'm being shown conceptually but not in nuts and bolts terms.

I'd like to qualify this here: I speak the sui generis to a degree that means I don't find many who can speak it on that level back to me. When I'm describing my frustration here, I'm talking at the level of *my own* evolution, not that of the general understanding. Where I go with this I already frequently struggle to find language for...

(I omitted the part about the sucubus because although I think I've also experienced that at times in my life, I'm pretty much cancelling that program as best I can, and it doesn't have much to do with what I'm interested in now. I make do with spending time in Nature and eating as much in the way of live foods as I can, which gives me enough to sustain myself energetically, though occasionally I do still like to draw on the energy of a lively gathering.)

As a Cubus I can readily attest to the assistance of eating high quality food in some ways, and these do nothing to address my essential Cubus elements. I have been developing ways to support and embrace this, including strengthening my connection to my Incubus mirror, who calls himself Pan, as well as making other energetic and corporeal connections. It is gradually coming together: I have in the past attempted to let go my Cubus nature and things didn't go well at all with that. I now accept that, as some prefer a brisk walk and a good book, I prefer to explore the landscape and wonderland that is another Being and I accept that energy is as much sustenance for me as physical food is. I delight in the physical realms and the exploration of them. :)

What I would really like is to know more about what your direct experience, knowledge and memories are of the Annunaki, Anun, Starkind and Otherkind.

I'm prepared to talk about this, absolutely- and it's from a different perspective from most. It's getting it all together that is the tricksy bit. :)

On the positive side, I've had direct contact with higher dimensional beings, amazing experiences with animal totems that helped me tremendously in charting my path through life, wonderful connections with soul group members, lots of wonderful teachers who added to my knowledge of so many things.

I would really like to hear about these things, if you are happy to share. :)

So what I am doing is sharing some of my experience with you and others on this thread, in hopes that providing some context as to who I am may help in finding further communication pathways that are beneficial to this thread , and perhaps will encourage others to find a way to chart their own way into this relatively uncharted exploration of sui generis, what that means to each of us, how we have struggled to arrive here at the threshold of this absorbing subject and how we can embrace it.

:) sounds like a good reason to be communicating, to me...

The source of this feeling may be what many have felt on Avalon for a long time, carriers both conscious and unconscious of the virus whose task it is to muck up the lines of communication with as much goo as possible of various kinds.
Though I think that has been avoided for the most part on this thread, that is certainly not true of Avalon in general.

Heh, there are *reasons* for that- there are many kick arse guardians and watchers here and I have set the purpose and intent here to specifically dissolve such attempts. My approach to the sui generis can be interpreted as 'cold hearted', pig headed or rude by some- to me, I'm guarding the gates. There are others here who bring some heavy duty energetic responses along with them.

I come face to face with my own strains of it every time I post on this thread and usually end up feeling less than genuine when my words fail so much in expressing who I really feel myself to be, but I am doing the best I can to find a way into the thread that will best offer what I have to share here, not even sure if what I am sharing is appropriate.

Authenticity is always appropriate.

Perhaps the forum is not really the best place for this discussion.

Here's where it seems to be happening... :D

Or perhaps we just aren't ready yet to really get into the subject matter that might best help us to understand who we really are, where we've been and where we're going.
The spirit of fun and play on this thread has been much to be grateful for in and of itself, I would say, but I for one, have high hopes this thread will continue to evolve and grow. I think it's off to a tremendous start.

*sideways eyed smile*

But inasmuch as many have expressed a desire to hear more of what you know, Songs, about the Annuanki, Anun, Starkind and Otherkind, it feels safe to me at least to hope that we can hear more about that from you, and I would think that the virus won't find those subjects so irresistible a target that it won't allow that to happen.

so far, the attempts of the heteronomy and virus have shrivelled like a hothouse flower in the snow. I'm ok with the system of virus dissolving that we've got evolving here. :)

Do you feel like going there?

tis why I'm here, mostly. :) That and the various hotties...

Is it something you want to write about here, or do you feel those subjects are better suited to your film making?
Perhaps this could be a good venue for laying the groundwork for the film?

Both, actually, are good. It's happening here in the back rooms, in between romping, carousing and hilarity ensuing: Otherkind know lots of stuff, we're just not really disciplined about most things... :D

songsfortheotherkind

11th June 2012, 10:05

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mountain_jim

11th June 2012, 15:21

Many thanks, Songs.
This gives me a lot to consider, and inspiration to go back and read more of what you have written.

On the subject of Otherkind... Would these include the kinds of beings that people see on Ayahuasca and other entheogens? Beings that the indigenous peoples describe in their spiritual traditions?

*smiling headtilt* Here's one of the reasons why I haven't taken any of those things at all so far in my incarnation: one of the gifts that was offered to the homo sapiens that were prepared to carry the evolution signal is that the Otherkind (here I'm including all expressions of Being because it's easier) were prepared to gift them the multiverse gateway access. For those that carry a high enough frequency, it activates.

This onboard gateway mechanism in is the brain. :) It can be triggered by taking certain substances and has been known to actually shift some highly sensitive Beings right out of this realm, physically. I don't presume to say that I'm one of those Beings that this would happen to *and* I know that my recent B12 and sacred cacao experiences were enough to remind me that some doorways are very very easy for me to fall through, so my instincts about the possibility that I won't come back seem to be good.

This means the answer to your question is, yes.

I have found that while I am in-between work projects and have the time, I have been applying some of that time to keeping up with your writings in this thread, songs, and finding your perspective and communication skills quite worthwhile to invest this time in. :)

I have been enjoying this dialogue with onawah very much.

I choose this post to reply to, as I have some extensive experience with some of these 'certain substances', and indeed the gateways activated changed my life, focus, and understanding of Self. I don't state the specifics in public threads, but I can state that the most 'powerfully' catalyzing for me were products of nature, picked fresh from the ground. I have not tried the 'spirit molecule' though.

It's been many years now since these experiments as my 'instrument' is so much more sensitive now and the catalyst has done it's tranformational work.

When I ditched the religious programming of my youth I went through a cynical, unhappy, and directionless phase - these experiences activated and opened me up and showed me the possibilities for growth were infinite, limited only by my belief systems, programming, and internalized fears and blockages.

Now I can remember a taste on my tongue and stimulate many of the physical chemistry changes in the glands/brain-cave of Brahma that past uses of these substances would catalyze.

http://www.wholeo.net/Trips/Wholeo/WholeSelf/healingEnergy/CenterOfVision/caveMs5096.jpg

The cerebrospinal system is the seat of all experience in the body. The Cerebrospinal fluid is in constant motion, motion through this cave of Brahma (the third ventricle) the other ventricles and through out the complete Cranio-Sacral - Central Nervous system. The fluid is crystalline in nature meaning that ions can move freely within the matrix. Communications or information is moving through the fluid, all information is some form of a somatosensory experience. This information is subconscious, the job of awareness is to make it conscious. Now how does this happen?

The third ventricle of the brain is lined with cilia that are constructed just like the light sensitive rods in the eye. They literally see this information. This adds a new meaning to the term “Look within” and the term “The Third Eye.” Others have been on the path and have left us some sign posts along the way that speak of this concept.

Certain filters must still be in place for me though - I still don't yet have access to my previous lives or locations or soul-group or type - much yet to discover!

Carry on :)

Fred Steeves

11th June 2012, 15:49

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Borden

11th June 2012, 16:30

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Katyani

11th June 2012, 22:15

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Borden

11th June 2012, 23:57

There's some great conversation here at the moment, and I for one want to say that just because I'm not posting doesn't mean I'm not here and reading. Several regular posters are conspicuously absent, and I hope that's a temporary phenomenon, but it's excellent reading those who are writing here. There are all sorts of things I want to add or mention, but sometimes - believe it or not - even I decide to map what's happening within and keep my gob shut for a while. I'm in flux in various ways all at once, and if I expressed a view on something today I'd probably find myself arguing against it tomorrow until I remembered that the little guy in the stripes talking rubbish is me.

One thing I can say though is that I agree with Onawah about not buying into everything a certain school of thought says, but only going with what resonates. I think intuition is like the exercising of a muscle ... the more you use it the stronger it'll get. And the attitude of trying to fit square pegs into round holes that characterizes so much of the behaviour of the hook line and sinker brigade ... also applies to the energetic brigade. Don't make that mistake ... you are your own guide.

RunningDeer

12th June 2012, 00:18

Guess who stopped by to say hello?

RunningDeer

12th June 2012, 00:43

Calz

12th June 2012, 02:29

onawah

12th June 2012, 02:36

I'm relieved to hear no objections so far to me hogging the thread for awhile with my disjointed ramblings.
Apologies for any misconceptions and confusion about what Songs has written.
I will be doing more reviewing and getting her perspectives more clarified in mind hopefully, so that any further questions will be intelligent and to the point rather than redundant or just plain retarded, hopefully! :crazy: :doh:
Clarity seems to be hard to come by these days, for some reason. :noidea:
Perhaps it's all the CMEs?... or, more likely my 64 year old brain cells :twitch::crutch:
I'm not sure why I've gotten so caught up in so many systems of thought, since intellectual and conceptual thinking so clearly cause one to miss the boat, :nerd: but maybe by doing that often enough, I will finally go more after more direct experience, rather than more understanding of theory and concepts.
I've read The Magical Child by Joseph Chilton Pearce and some of his articles, and became infuriated when I realized that my so called education had probably done little more than dumb me down, :hurt: but it's hard to turn yourself around 360 degrees once you've been pointed in the wrong direction.

Thanks to all for your patience with my :blah::yawn:.

Nice to see you back, Borden!
You were missed.

Calz

12th June 2012, 02:42

I've deleted post because on second and third look, it seems elementary.

Remember, there are always new individuals coming to the Pub that may not have come across the information you're sharing. And besides, every Being has a different aspect of the hologram and something new to add, regardless of what they might think.

So please don't delete your posts, is what I'm asking: I would have loved to read your perspective. :)

Hi Songs,

Good point, so I’ve reposted how I view multi-dimensions in #3495. I experienced this yesterday on what I'm calling "Stopping Time":

This never happened before, and it’s a lesson for me to dial up the inner awareness.

Wolfie, my dog, and I were out for a walk at the local shopping mall. There’s patch of woods on the outer skirts where he does his business. This afternoon, he couldn’t wait and picked a spot where everyone is out and about doing their Saturday to-dos.

I’m looking down to see if he’s finished and feeling embarrassed. I’m aware of the inner dialogue of, “I hope no one comes by.” With my head still down, and eyes raised, I saw four cars suspended in time; two on the other side of the median and two with several car lengthens between coming in our direction. No sound. Then, in the next nano second, they drove on.

It took about 30 seconds for me to recollect what just happened. After the initial “can’t be, that’s impossible”, I let it alone and walked for a few moments. Then asked, “What happened just before that point in time?” I ran the tape backwards and came up with the emotion of embarrassment, coupled with wanting a different outcome.

Emotion + Desire = a powerful affirmation of I choose my reality.

Hi Paula :wave:

Interesting post(s) regarding "time" ... not quite as flashy as Neo stopping bullets in air ... but impressive nevertheless :neo:

http://www.funfactory.spruz.com/gfile/75r4!-!GKDDEM!-!zrzor45!-!JODEKGLI-IFNS-HHOJ-NIEM-QSMPQNMSFERI!-!72y1nq/stop_time_iii_by_vimark.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3149/2846187696_ba32ba2579.jpg

http://zoomaa.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/hlloyd02.jpg?w=640&h=512

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Turcurulin

12th June 2012, 03:06

We're taking you back in time, way back to the ancient past, back to the year 2010 AD, to remember a one-time-only hip-hop performance. :rap: The members would never envision that their legacy would be known here in this pub so many years later. Enjoy! :biggrin:

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songsfortheotherkind

12th June 2012, 10:48

I am getting to that bored place myself, so tired of sifting and sorting, looking for other voices that speak at least in some part in a language I can understand and feel some resonance with, but compromise is still adhered to so much since the penalties for bringing in too pure a frequency can still be fatal at worst, or perhaps incomprehensible at best.

To be clear, I find the god/external authority thing boring. I'm getting kind of jazzed with bringing in the sui generis, not the least because it means when I find someone that truly gets what I'm expressing with it, the resultant glee and connection feel better than sex. I'm a succubus, so saying that says a lot . :D

I think I am here to hold the Light for this area in space for a while longer

I don't personally do the Light thing and I've heard many interpretations of what this is, so I'm curious- when *you* say you're holding the "Light", what do you mean?

I became more and more in love with the Divine Feminine Goddess frequencies. And later yet, a kind of benumbed revelatory state when the godlike roles the Annunaki pretended to in certain chapters in Earth history became clear to me.

I'm going to write about my personal experience with the feminine and all that, as soon as I finish bemoaning the lack of a third set of hands. *whinge whine moan*

0-o

Well, that failed to produce the essay in question, I'll have to write the bastard thing my Self. How rude! Multiverse fail, imo. heh heh heh.

But eventually, the word has become less loaded for me, as I've began to think of God as I think the word is being used again in certain circles, a vast spirit that truly is in service to our Universe and which is connected to all that lives within the Universe, which is the indwelling spirit of the Universe itself, and feels all, sees all, but cannot act except through the beings that inhabit this Universe.
"Creator" for me, signifies the much vaster Being that created all the Multiverse, to whom all the Gods of all the Universes are but partial expressions, but which expresses all the aspects of the Gods/Goddesses the Hindus use to describe that being, including of course, Creator, Sustainer and Destroyer.
Perhaps the Gods of the Universes are evolving through their own process to eventually join again with Creator.
I feel that is likely.
But words only signify that meaning which we choose to attach to them, and we may all choose differently here, as in all things.

Thank you for sharing your perspective and experience.

They are having a hard time being here too, obviously a common problem among walk-ins from higher levels, and all others operating at a higher level than the predominant frequency here on Earth now,

in all honesty, I have only found one source of offworld information so far that has in any way at all been interesting to me (because it speaks of no gods and some of the language of the sui generis) and that website was passed on to me by an individual who said that my writing reminded him of the language he remembered from these writings. When I first read parts of them, I cried, because they sounded so familiar to me. I haven't read them all, and some seem to have the heteronomy and hierarchy in there, yet there was something familiar in it. Perhaps just another trick of the virus heteronomy.

All other channeling and other information I've ever come across contain the hierarchy and heteronomy. I therefore dismiss it, it's not the signal I'm interested in at all. The sui generis is my measuring stick. It's interesting that, apart from the one example, I've not seen it anywhere else- so who *are* all these Beings that can't imagine or function outside a hierarchical, heteronomous arrangement? What form of hierarchy are they wanting to replace this one with? The thing that really makes me curious is why any truly intelligent, aware and spiritually evolved Being would advocate anything *less* than sui generis? The Creators I have met don't do hierarchy, domination, homogeny, control or heteronomy- so why would I be interested in it, as a Being with a passion for evolution? Why would *any* Being connected to the evolution Consciousness be interested in those things? I can't hear any of it without simply shrugging and dismissing it all as virus, and I'm not interested in advocating being a good carrier of the virus.

but hopefully, that situation will soon reverse itself, and it will be the ones who cannot bear the higher frequencies who will be leaving, leaving those of us here who love Gaia.

I'm really curious to see how this one goes.

To be operating from a place of Love,

there's that word again. What is it, to you? What does it mean, 'to operate from a place of Love'?

rather than a place of fascination, is something I feel many of us need to be careful of.
According to Dr. Hills theory of Nuclear Evolution, intuition is the place where fascination may become the pitfall.
It can be a state of constantly fluctuating from the present to the imagined future and then back again, in conflict with those who prefer the past as well as those who live in the NOW, and battling with a self-created block to the next level of the Imagination, a much more purely and ruthlessly creative, less relativistic space, where one lives in the Now, which is not past, present or future, but all in one, as Time is seen for the construct that it is.

What is this place of fascination you are speaking about? And I do not understand much of this paragraph, because I've written about living in two different dimensions/universes simultaneously, which were set apart in time also; I've also written about walking in to other Selves. I live in a very fluid 'Verse as it is, so I am unsure of the conflicts you're suggesting here.

songsfortheotherkind

12th June 2012, 11:59

I was recently asked some questions in some PMs and I'm going to post some of the replies here, because it saves me saying these things again. I've maintained privacy.

It has to do with your Post #3508 here:

Not in my history. The Lucifer/Lilith groups were the foundation of the Anun, the group that eventually largely were offered- and took- an offworld refuge from the constant anunnaki attacks. My experience is that the one called Jesus was a descendant of this group and came back in an attempt to assist the remaining anunnaki to evolve. In this incarnation I have zero interest in the remnant anunnaki and their system unless it's information that assists me in my purpose and intention.

The Anun then, were Annunaki hybrids, part homo sapien, part Annunaki,and also had some Starkind genetics that the Annunaki had access to, correct?

Not quite- the offworld Anun have no homo sapiens in them, the homo sapiens were created from the anunnaki DNA mixed in with some of the Being species that were already being created by Gaia. These were less cohesive relatives of the gentle so called Neanderthals- who would have been wiped out had the intervention not been staged. The Yeti and other such Beings are remnants of these groups of Beings, and have survived by their ability to slip behind the Veil. They are here to sustain and nurture certain of the original frequencies.

The Anun have anunnaki, Starkind and Otherkind genetics. They are all hybrids, although the Anun are now considered their own 'kind' (in the human/paradigm context of species or groups- sui generis doesn't focus on such things).

Can you tell me where the Starkind genes were from? Pleiadian, Andromedan, Sirian...etc...?
And what percentage of genes were Starkind, Annunaki and homo sapien?

I can't tell you because the genetics were from captured individuals or from samples taken from those killed. They are from all over the multiverse, so I find specifics impossible and out of my way of Being- for a start, I navigate frequency, not physical dimensions, because the gateways have nothing to do with and aren't negotiated by location, it's always by purpose, intention and frequency. There isn't a dial button, the gates are either locked to single targets, in which case one simply strolls through the gate into (not) Mordor, or it's a fluid gate, which means you choose your destination based on the frequency you hold internally and what your focus is. I don't have a star map in my head, I'm a dimension slider.

I don't actually have any familiarity with the labels that individuals put on themselves- I've been asked what planet am I from and find the whole question bizarre, because I want to respond with 'which incarnation? which dimension? which expression of Self are you referring to? And I'm a sui generis Being, how do these labels even work? I need clearer parameters!' it goes rather pear shaped.

Same with the percentages- to be honest, my head tilts at the very idea such a thing would be quantifiable, because they were gene splicing and experimenting. Given the multitude of kinds and what they were attempting, such things are impossible and from my experience, irrelevant, because once it got into their system it did it's own thing again. No two Beings are ever the same, even with such hacking of the genome.

The offworld refuge that you mentioned, that some of the Anun chose to migrate to, would that be the colony on Mars we've heard about from various whistleblowers, which earthlings have visited via reverse engineered portals, where they found Annunaki colonists living?

The Anun I am familiar with chose to go to the otherrealms. They're more Otherkind than Starkind, they chose to immerse their Selves in the evolution Consciousness in a very physical way. I do not have any interest in information that speaks of the anunnaki living on Mars or anywhere else; the quarantine was locked in place before they could get offworld, so perhaps it's Anun that are being spoken of, perhaps it's a load of bunk, perhaps its an entirely different reality the visitors are tapping into. My experience and knowledge is that it's not possible for the anunnaki to get off earth: they're trapped here, as all the religious and spiritual traditions hint at (or state outright), for good reason: no one wanted the virus they carry to spread through the rest of the multiverse.

By the "remaining Annunaki", do you mean the family, inner circle and disciples of Jesus who remained on Earth, and those who became his followers?

The Jesus was talking to both the specific group of controllers still here at the time and the general signal within those around him: the anunnaki had been having a good go at destroying anything Other, so at the time there were mostly high anunnaki genetics humans, anunnaki pures and anunnaki/human hybrids. The bible is a complete dogs breakfast now, with regards the history, but the essence is there if you change a few identities around.

It seemed to me from my studies that Abraham was a previous incarnation of the soul that was Jesus, but perhaps I am wrong about that, though Jesus was, according to history, a descendant of Abraham, I believe.

The bible talks about particular blood lines. The anunnaki were/are big on bloodlines, because they've never given up on the idea that they can get the evolution Consciousness connection under control. According to the blood lines thing, the physical avatar the Jesus one used was a descendant of Abraham.

Was Jesus a walk-in?

It's my understanding that this is the only way the Being could have gotten in here with their memory intact, as I experience things. The dominance of the low frequencies here make it almost impossible for a high vibration Being to physically appear here for any length of time. It's physically excruciating and in many cases simply not possible, which is why so few attempt it.

( and in relation to another question regarding biblical history)

Again, this has little relevance for me, so I don't bother going into it, it's more virus signal than anything else. The anunnaki were fighting long, looooooong before Enlil and Enki came into the picture- they're part of a schism that had already long been in place. Scribes and pharisees, as an analogy and example... the anunnaki situation has been working itself out for hundreds of thousands of years, the Jesus story is a mishmash of much more ancient historical paths.

I have posted this for general information *and* I am not going to go into it in much more detail, because it the evolution Consciousness side of the story I'm far more interested in and I personally find way more relevant.

Calz

12th June 2012, 14:00

Gonna be yoda style sneaky ... I am ... trying to flush out that Borden critter.

Besides ... posted a music video in a long time I have not ...

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songsfortheotherkind

12th June 2012, 14:16

*smiling headtilt* Here's one of the reasons why I haven't taken any of those things at all so far in my incarnation: one of the gifts that was offered to the homo sapiens that were prepared to carry the evolution signal is that the Otherkind (here I'm including all expressions of Being because it's easier) were prepared to gift them the multiverse gateway access. For those that carry a high enough frequency, it activates.

This onboard gateway mechanism in is the brain. :) It can be triggered by taking certain substances and has been known to actually shift some highly sensitive Beings right out of this realm, physically. I don't presume to say that I'm one of those Beings that this would happen to *and* I know that my recent B12 and sacred cacao experiences were enough to remind me that some doorways are very very easy for me to fall through, so my instincts about the possibility that I won't come back seem to be good.

This means the answer to your question is, yes.

I have found that while I am in-between work projects and have the time, I have been applying some of that time to keeping up with your writings in this thread, songs, and finding your perspective and communication skills quite worthwhile to invest this time in. :)

I have been enjoying this dialogue with onawah very much.

I choose this post to reply to, as I have some extensive experience with some of these 'certain substances', and indeed the gateways activated changed my life, focus, and understanding of Self. I don't state the specifics in public threads, but I can state that the most 'powerfully' catalyzing for me were products of nature, picked fresh from the ground. I have not tried the 'spirit molecule' though.

It's been many years now since these experiments as my 'instrument' is so much more sensitive now and the catalyst has done it's tranformational work.

When I ditched the religious programming of my youth I went through a cynical, unhappy, and directionless phase - these experiences activated and opened me up and showed me the possibilities for growth were infinite, limited only by my belief systems, programming, and internalized fears and blockages.

I can utterly relate to this in a *waves hands in circles*, blurry multiverse reasons kind of way; the things that you found in your journey with the plant family connections to the multiverse are similar to the soul diving work I did on my Self by triggering my own DMT overloads and suchforth. The homo sapiens genome is absent this ability, which explains the lack of fluid mind. I am working on retriggering this doorway. :)

Now I can remember a taste on my tongue and stimulate many of the physical chemistry changes in the glands/brain-cave of Brahma that past uses of these substances would catalyze.

*smiles* I did this two years ago when my daughter died; I was prescribed valium and in the five times I took a quarter of a tablet, I was gifted some amazing experiences that showed me new pathways in my body to access and use. I am really sensitive to substances, which is one of the reasons I have to be careful with experimenting. I have never heard of the cave of Brahma before but in it's position in the drawing, this is where the electric shock feeling comes from that I've talked about before, and which Borden has said is a precursor for his astral events. I never get to this point, the jolt of electricity causes my body to spasm and I get flung out of any interesting space I might be heading into.

http://www.wholeo.net/Trips/Wholeo/WholeSelf/healingEnergy/CenterOfVision/caveMs5096.jpg

The cerebrospinal system is the seat of all experience in the body. The Cerebrospinal fluid is in constant motion, motion through this cave of Brahma (the third ventricle) the other ventricles and through out the complete Cranio-Sacral - Central Nervous system. The fluid is crystalline in nature meaning that ions can move freely within the matrix. Communications or information is moving through the fluid, all information is some form of a somatosensory experience. This information is subconscious, the job of awareness is to make it conscious. Now how does this happen?

The third ventricle of the brain is lined with cilia that are constructed just like the light sensitive rods in the eye. They literally see this information. This adds a new meaning to the term “Look within” and the term “The Third Eye.” Others have been on the path and have left us some sign posts along the way that speak of this concept.

This explains an enormous amount to me as to why I may be finding it difficult to access certain pathways that I used to find so easy- I had a situation as a child where I was experiencing almost daily head injuries- funny how the virus targets us in just the right way, isn't it? I've recently been organising to get cranio-sacral and myofacial work done, it seems my instinct to do this is right. It will be an interesting experiment to go into that work with the focus of accessing the doorways again, because they were utterly simple to walk through when I was little but the repeated trauma shut the doors. This would also indicate that dancing and moving the body in certain ways could also trigger the pathways, another means I used to use. It is encouraging me to reach out to those things again. How cool. And how perfect that it's again the fluid, the water, the means by which all information is exchanged: if one tunes the water, the water in our physical bodies also tunes and we become vibrational carriers of whatever signal we've asked to align or be taught by.

This planet is a multiversal university- there is such a wealth of information here that only those who carry the evolution Consciousness signal, the echo of the heartbeat of creation, can access. It was no end of infuriation to the anunnaki that they *couldn't* access it and as soon as the Lilith/Lucifer group did, they left, because they could see the difference, they were 'enlightened'. :) I love tuning the water, accessing that memory bank: sometimes, it's the tsaheylu...

Certain filters must still be in place for me though - I still don't yet have access to my previous lives or locations or soul-group or type - much yet to discover!

*nodding* My physical trauma echoes are getting in my way of experiencing many things and this is what I am working on. I am discovering that I must sleep more, because that's when the downloads are happening most strongly. I have to take more time out for making those reconnections.

This was a great post, mountain_jim, a subject very much dear to my Otherkind nature. :) Thanks for sharing and I'd like to explore more of this.

songsfortheotherkind

12th June 2012, 14:29

I'm really tired and I must sleep, *and* one of the things that is really important for me to echo right now is this:

the homo sapiens, those with high homo sapiens/anunnaki genetics, cannot access the gateways. This isn't something that was built into the gates, it's a natural part of the connection that happens within the evolution Consciousness signal, that great Song that inspires and calls to creation, and to Create, and to connect with Life itself in the most mindblowing ways. The anunnaki and everything they create is devoid of this signal. That's why their religions are nothing but death fetishes, their cultures are death focused and founded, it's all devoid of life and it's a closed system.

It's really, really easy to spot when you get the idea of the parameters. There is SO MUCH MORE to this, the tip of the iceberg doesn't even begin to encompass it. They are two completely different worlds and so many of the questions that are currently being asked in this forum in general aren't anywhere *near* the interesting ones.

This evolution is greater than the difference between Cro-magnon and modern homo sapiens, as an indicator of change rather than history. Fluid mind, fluid body, fluid interaction with the entire multiverse- it's the culmination of where we all wanted to go, way back when the university/multiverse gateway concept was first conceived. heh heh heh- here it's considered a marvel to have the internet connected in the way that it is- trying doing that on a planetary, multidimensional level! Micro macro, micro macro, *all the time*- think about that, it's delicious.

:)

Calz

12th June 2012, 14:34

onawah

12th June 2012, 15:44

I am flummoxed, I guess.
It feels like it's time to just throw out all I think I know and go back to the drawing board.
I need a whole new reference point from which to participate on this thread.
This is good!
I am going to be quiet for awhile and concentrate instead on going back to read the whole thread again (I'm currently on page 28).
Even my questions aren't making sense to me anymore.
So please excuse if I don't answer questions posed to me thus far, because in truth, I don't think my answers would make any sense either.
Please carry on without me. Hopefully I will catch up later.
http://http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/06/12/the-hard-to-swallow-truth-documentary.aspx?e_cid=20120612_HLNL_art_2

mountain_jim

12th June 2012, 16:11

I can utterly relate to this in a *waves hands in circles*, blurry multiverse reasons kind of way; the things that you found in your journey with the plant family connections to the multiverse are similar to the soul diving work I did on my Self by triggering my own DMT overloads and suchforth.

Concerning naturallly produced (possbily due to) DMT experiences, I will cross-post this from earlier today:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46290-Dmt&p=505003&viewfull=1#post505003

In support of the link between naturally produced by the body DMT for sleep regulation, etc. , I have found I can have bilocation experiences while hovering in that space between sleep and awakeness where my pineal light grows to fill much more of the internal visual field and what I see there is my body lying from well above, or my house roof from 300 feet or so above, or more than a few times (in my younger days) me sitting parked in my company car with my head leaned against the window while waiting for work-crews to arrive.

These visions were all accurate to what was happening in that time/space - I was definitely seeing myself from locations outside my body. I had no awareness of another, or light body at these times.

Usually shortly after this I do pass into sleep though, rather than being able to hold that position or do anything with it. :)

There are some other experiences/memories refreshed today that I would like to relate, but it's time to make the long over-the-mountain drive to town for another 2 week's worth of groceries and supplies, taking us through the (supposedly/apparently) pregnant-with-possibilities summer solstice period and shortly beyond. :)

Borden

12th June 2012, 18:49

So I was expanding myself into slidier densities and defragmenting my mind ... while examining the amusing difference between the roar of silence and the emptiness of noise. I jostled with the idiot shadows of Tulpas and the remembrancing paths of creators to be ... while sweeping tattered maps of cul de sacs off the Bifrost bridge, whistling as I worked.

Something however was nagging at me. Even while unfolding my Self ever outward into the essential bud of my signal ... even as I delighted in the repeated reminder that walled mazes don't worry birds ... something was drifting across the ether. It was saying something in a quirky tenor about Ground Control and Major Tom. I had to gently put the universe down on a cushion while I listened.

Aha! A summoning from a Jedi master ... with the ingenious use of a Bowie song!

Right, I thought ... I'm going to respond to that. I'd better just make sure I don't waffle anything preposterous and onanistic about my travels first. Oh sh!t.

YTkuYapP-1Y

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Hello Onawah, I don't know who you're referring to in your last couple of posts, but it surely can't be yourself! I've been enjoying your writing, and there is certainly nothing disjointed or rambling about it. Speaking for myself, I've held so many ideas in the past that I no longer hold, but I feel that none of them were a waste of my time. I totally agree about direct experience over theory and concept. I think so much of what's out there traps us, whether intentionally or not ... but you seem to have the willingness to walk out of traps, which I think is a rare thing. I look for that in myself where I can, certainly not always succeeding. I won't be an acolyte to anyone ... I can only know my universe, no-one else's. Personally I find Songsy's 'stuff' peculiarly resonant, but I can't see the universe through her eyes, and if I tried it would be square peg in a round hole time, yet again. What I love are the ways in which we can all be of the common purpose of our evolution in this thread, yet distinctly different.

Thank you, by the way, and I hope you're not gone too long.

onawah

12th June 2012, 19:38

Thanks Borden. You are my favorite :jester: :crazy_pilot: :neo: :rockon: :panda: :cool:
Hopefully my writing is somehow less disjointed and rambling than my inner process seems to be right now, for all your sakes.
I've been reading too many theories about history, reality, etc. and no longer know what I feel about it all--at least, I think that's the problem. :nerd::noidea:
continued

onawah

12th June 2012, 19:39

But brain fog just seems to get worse the more I try to dispel it. :painkiller: :doh: :dizzy:
But I do want to go back and see if I can figure out any better what Songs has written.
And I'm enjoying seeing some of the posts from other Publians that I've missed along the way.
I'll be reading the updates too and perhaps popping in now and then. I don't want to get too far behind while I'm busy catching up!:clock:
Particularly busy cycle now in my non-virtual reality, so it may take some time.:patsak:
The Pub really helps to keep me in a cheerful, playful mood. :cantina:
But the pioneer, questing phase is on hold for now.
My brain needs a rest! :lazy:

Alekahn

12th June 2012, 22:32

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"It's times like these you learn to live again,
it's times like these you give, and give again,
it's times like these you learn to love again..."

7B--3cId-YE

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onawah

13th June 2012, 02:02

But,but,but...aw rats, I shouldn't make promises I can't keep...
I can't resist posting these two videos, which I think Publians may find entertaining.

I wonder if the sweet young man in this video who I happened to catch on the TV show, America's Got Talent the other night is what Songs would call OtherKind?
He's certainly very original and true to his sui generis.
And his eyes are so unusual, I wonder if they might be contacts, but perhaps OtherKind often have distinguishing and unusual physical characteristics...?

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And I would think this next one could be Starseed --meaning a soul who has just incarnated recently on Earth from another world and/or dimension, and is demonstrating for us powers that are latent in us all, but which StarKind have mastered.
Or possibly he is one of the DNA upgraded "New Kids" who have been incarnating on Earth for awhile, but are demonstrating for us what earth kids can do (thse who haven't been branded as A.D.D. and drugged to near oblivion, that is.)
He is so self-assured, I tend to think the former.
I thought it was very cool to see on MSM. The only other place I've seen this kind of demo from a kid was on a Drunvalo Melchizadek video online.

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songsfortheotherkind

13th June 2012, 05:12

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs44/i/2009/153/d/7/Sephiroth_by_Des_Henkers_Braut.jpg

Those who carry the strong Otherkind signal are, to me, the most beautiful and exquisite Beings in existence. Sometimes, they are twisted up by the dissonance here and forget a little what powerful Beings they are, and they're still beautiful because they are not the heteronomy and they struggle to carry the voice of the sui generis in whatever way they can.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_u58i4qSO0Zk/TNLe7oc6tzI/AAAAAAAADJE/V5atLNA8il4/s1600/Marilyn-Manson-ps03.jpeg

If I let it just grow out my hair is a slightly whiter version of the color of Sephiroth's, in the first photo. It has been heading that way since I was 19, but I'd have to straighten it to get it to look like that- I have ringlets and curls.

songsfortheotherkind

13th June 2012, 06:13

I can't resist posting these two videos, which I think Publians may find entertaining.

They were! :D

I wonder if the sweet young man in this video who I happened to catch on the TV show, America's Got Talent the other night is what Songs would call OtherKind? He's certainly very original and true to his sui generis. And his eyes are so unusual, I wonder if they might be contacts, but perhaps OtherKind often have distinguishing and unusual physical characteristics...?

The young man in the video is wearing the type of contacts that Marilyn Manson made famous. Here's a little not very secret about the Goth community- it's where a LOT of Otherkind hang out. There is an acceptance of sui generis in the Goth and other creative subcultures I mention later that is absent anywhere else. It's why my family are *part* of the Goth community- granted, the Otherkind signal isn't always strong in all individuals, and at the same time there's enough chance of finding the signal in at least *one* of the gathering. I met one of my now partners at a Goth pre-evening mayhem gathering- as soon as he walked up to the tables I knew I had found someone unusual. He is. We're linked in ways we find impossible to explain. He's not the only Being I experience this with. I met that one here; he'd fit right in with the Goth community. *laughing*

There are other connections I have, that are different again...

There are other places where it's a good bet you're going to stumble across Otherkind: steampunk gatherings, re-enactment societies where the Elvish, Gnomish and Darkling worlds have been embraced; the Labyrinth of Jareth community, cybergoth/cyberpunk communities, comic, cosplay and MMRP gatherings, the techno/trance community where gravers (goth ravers) go...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YIgVgztEBek/T5GtD7z8b0I/AAAAAAAAAMI/JHyIIAZUnWc/s1600/cyber13.jpg

starkind can often be found in the geek community. The Anun hybrids that went with the starkind often gravitate towards the geek tech community; this is my partner, Triffid. He has an interesting mix of signals and he's only here because he followed me. He's a total duck in gumboots on this planet at this time, except where it comes to the tech, then his starkind element shows up.

And I would think this next one could be Starseed --meaning a soul who has just incarnated recently on Earth from another world and/or dimension, and is demonstrating for us powers that are latent in us all, but which StarKind have mastered. Or possibly he is one of the DNA upgraded "New Kids" who have been incarnating on Earth for awhile, but are demonstrating for us what earth kids can do (thse who haven't been branded as A.D.D. and drugged to near oblivion, that is.) He is so self-assured, I tend to think the former.

I thought it was very cool to see on MSM. The only other place I've seen this kind of demo from a kid was on a Drunvalo Melchizadek video online.

There *are* some psychics and such hanging out in plain sight, where some have always chosen to hang out: a few years ago I wrote a pilot for a tv series where the four main characters were a Shifter, vampire, witch and dimensionally slidey Being that were hiding in plain sight by being four characters in a tv series that dealt with a witch, Shifter, vampire and dimensionally slidey Being hiding in plain sight in a tv series. The multidimensional nature of the situation gave me much amusement.

Having said that, they also disguise their talent beneath the details of the 'craft' that has emerged around such things. I do know that this is a very hidden and secretive community. I also know that such talents aren't limited to Starkind or those who are having their latent non-human DNA kicked into gear; Otherkind have all kinds of interesting abilities, I just talk about it much. Sometimes it does take individuals by surprise...

I personally don't think in terms of kinds, although I do use them to help get ideas across. I'm not interested in the homogeny of grouping Beings into kinds, because to me, unique signal is unique signal- starkind and otherkind are just words I use to describe an orientation towards different expressions of Being in terms of physicality- starkind do the tech thing in an interesting way, otherkind are more witchy about things. :D

Calz

13th June 2012, 07:02

Not sure if Bob will return to the Pub ... but there is a free birthday drink setting in his spot waiting for him just in case ...

http://funnydemotivationalposters.com/uploads/saved_posters/demotivational-poster-gqdsnx27pf-I-DONT-ALWAYS-SAY-HAPPY-BIRTHDAY.jpg

Calz

13th June 2012, 07:24

Here's a little not very secret about the Goth community- it's where a LOT of Otherkind hang out.

Mad Hatter donning his Steampunk Goth Hat??? :clap2::humble:

http://www.mysteraxix.de/wp-content/gallery/steampunk/sp5.jpg

songsfortheotherkind

13th June 2012, 07:38

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5-9vIZyvTw

and I asked them, if I told you, what difference would that make to your sui generis path? Who are you?

I have no desire to be any kind of god. Who needs gods when it's really a game anyone can play?

Make up your own mind, rely on your own intuition about everything: without it, the gateways stay closed. That's part of the signal- can you intuit your unique combination or not? It's the Last Not Starfighter (because there's no fighting involved)- the evolution has moved things to see who's up for the next level and it's looking for a rather specific signal- and so am I.

http://wildyogini.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/kali-ma-beautiful.jpg

C'mon, c'mon, figure it out and come play already...

Calz

13th June 2012, 07:53

Who knew???

http://www.ultra-book.com/users_2/a/u/aurelbrain/img_ptf_medium/c5035f156b3206.jpg

http://scifimafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/punk-yoda.jpg

http://cdn.uberreview.com/wp-content/uploads/star1.jpg

Curt

13th June 2012, 08:13

...a few years ago I wrote a pilot for a tv series where the four main characters were a Shifter, vampire, witch and dimensionally slidey Being that were hiding in plain sight by being four characters in a tv series that dealt with a witch, Shifter, vampire and dimensionally slidey Being hidden in plain sight in a tv series. The multidimensional nature of the situation gave me much amusement.

This might just be the best thing I have ever seen, heard, felt or tasted. Thank you for one epic mind-tickle.

:first:

songsfortheotherkind

13th June 2012, 09:13

Here's a little not very secret about the Goth community- it's where a LOT of Otherkind hang out.

Mad Hatter donning his Steampunk Goth Hat???

http://www.mysteraxix.de/wp-content/gallery/steampunk/sp5.jpg

If the mad hatter was wearing that outfit, I would joyfully bonk him. I love this pic. :)

Fantastic Steampunk Costumes- getting individuals laid since 1792.

:D

songsfortheotherkind

13th June 2012, 09:28

This might just be the best thing I have ever seen, heard, felt or tasted. Thank you for one epic mind-tickle. :first:

*grinning at you*

Coming from quite possibly the most wonderfully slidiest mind I know that's pretty epic. And you're welcome! You know me-

http://danielhernandez.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c2df253ef00e5540ea4318834-500wi

bringing on the mindf*uck is just one of the many services I provide. :D

778 neighbour of some guy

13th June 2012, 09:28

songsfortheotherkind

13th June 2012, 09:50

This is adapted from something else I was writing privately and I realised I wanted to say it in public.

The sui generis tells me at every moment that everything I need is already in my own blueprint, the one my Art and Essence has been engaging in the creation of moment by moment since the *I* that I Am sprang into Being: it's the intention and purpose that I carry here, the frequency signal encoded, mapped on my fingertips from five months gestation when the frequency downloaded into the avatar and sealed the connection. (As an aside, this is why many pregnancy losses happen at either 3 or 5 months gestation. it's not accidental.)

I go beneath the noise to the *original blueprint*, the one carried within me, the energy *below* all the Monsanto codes and contracts. It's the only voice I truly need, the only guidance that is perfect for me because *I my Self* created it. I know my greatest purpose and intention, I know what it is that I wish to create, to bring into Being in this moment in time, the signal that I wish to bring into the space. It's not a new message, I just speak it differently.

I'm a voice that expresses the sui generis- the sui generis that the Beings connected to the evolution Consciousness and signal have always looked for expression of, have tried to find words to voice, the 'splinter in the mind' is has always been is still utterly intact within every single one.

It's not about taking on the sui generis of another Being, although communication and sharing of vision definitely can help if the language being spoken isn't pimping the virus: what truly changes everything for the individual is to experience expanding into trust towards Self. Expand into one's *own* original blueprint signal, see what comes up, release anything that isn't wholly Self, expand again, until you are soaking in every cell and molecule of your Being in your *own* signal.

The Anun Jesus was indeed a beautiful, resonant and sui generis Being in his own true form, and *he* said this too- the kingdom you are looking for is within you already. This is why to me the histories don't matter anywhere near as much as the evolution Consciousness they demonstrate and carry, which is what I am creating uploads about: who did what to whom in what order is nowhere near as important as what the evolution signal was doing at the time and what it continues to do.

This whole journey is about spiritual evolution and yet that description is clunky I know and I'm going to spend some time clarifying it, *and* nothing that happens in the living Multiverse is absent this underlying and interconnecting frequency. Nothing. . There IS nothing without this frequency because as soon as something becomes Conscious it is part of that frequency, which exists even within the sea of possibility and all that creates *that*.

This that I'm saying is what undoes the distortions of the virus, all the thrashing around thinking that one has to 'work things out' when it's the opposite, it's simply about recognising if a signal has the Life in it or not. The Life will never support corruption- corruption and closed systems *ALWAYS* die. *Anything* that can no longer evolve will ALWAYS die. If something is dying, it is disconnected from the evolution signal in some way and the signal is reconfiguring what is dying so there is a better chance for evolution. If a signal is *truly* at the end of its ability to evolve, it passes away from the Life completely, the energy recycled back into the sea of possibility to emerge clean and full of possibility in a completely new form.

This is why I find the notion of returning to source bizarre, because I wonder why the speaker is telling me that they are at the end of their ability to evolve and are choosing to dissolve all that they have been and return to being part of the energy signal that fuels the All, while being utterly unconscious and out of existence. Given this perspective, I find the constant talk of returning to source another expression of the virus death obsession/signal: it makes perfect sense to me that the virus *would* be pimping death in the guise of higher consciousness, for a variety of obvious reasons- and that is my personal, sui generis perspective on this, in a very tiny sliver of the frequency I'm referencing from. It's helpful to start thinking of frequency as a sliding scale, something that has possibilities and nuance within it rather than a 'this is a frog', 'this is a tree' label label label and losing the distinction of each *individual* tree, the relationship with that unique frog, the subtlety of signal.

The heteronomy has presented the unique expressions of the Life signal as an homogenous group of same things; this makes utter utter sense when one considers what the primary purpose and intention of the heteronomy is- which has in part the service aspect of being a mirror, and in part has the aspect of being the carrier of the constriction and control signal.

Now I have to go work on expanding these ideas out ...

songsfortheotherkind

13th June 2012, 11:55

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttwVRNlXPoI

Cross posted from this thread here- http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46271-DEEPAK-CHOPRA-Revisited-rebooting-focus

the point at 4:40 made me laugh- because he was asking 'what is the discontinuity?' and instantly my mind answered 'the sea of possibility'. Which he describes as a quantum soup which requires consciousness (choice) to activate.

*laughing* I've never gotten into Deepak's stuff before, so I've not heard these discussions before. It delights me that, although my language is different, the path my sui generis is leading me along are the same.

It's *all* Art we're creating. Quantum level Art. Creation Art. Playing 'what if?'. Which is precisely why I am nowhere near as interested in the histories as I am the evolution Consciousness lessons that are embedded there. It's embedded everywhere.

So cool. :P

Update: Oh, oh! 6:06 to about 6:40! Bliss, bliss, to this little Otherkind expression!

songsfortheotherkind

13th June 2012, 12:30

Alekahn

13th June 2012, 13:14

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Blessed be all.
Courage for the journey ahead.
Pura Vida!:wave:

songsfortheotherkind

13th June 2012, 14:42

Nightflight

http://www.co-operationblog.com/wp-content/2010/03/night-blooming-cereus-sally-mann-1988-1.jpg

I would like to know the story of this post...

songsfortheotherkind

13th June 2012, 16:59

I'm interested in what works. What really works to transform the foundations of ALL the corruptions, distortions, lies, manipulations and other stuff that goes on around us, that the majority claim they want to change.

Do they really? Or is it just nothing more than comfortable rhetoric that they tell themselves like a nice bedtime story to lull themselves back into numbness and wilful blindness?

The *language* is a carrier of the signal; where we give our energy we get more energy in response. So if we're spending a portion of our time focusing on what we don't like, and what we don't want, feeding it with our energy and attention, why be surprised when it flows back to us? I *get* this equation and I simply do not see the usefulness or point in the endeavour because all the bitching and moaning over eons has never, EVER changed anything. Not one thing.

It is utterly possible that I am engaged in a fruitless exercise in which only a handful of individuals will ever understand the language that I'm calling in. And in the scheme of things, this may turn out to be completely f*ucking pointless, futile, it didn't change a thing, well wasn't that a waste of time-

to me, personally, as a sui generis Being, no, no it was not.

I freely admit I sometimes don't know what the correct thing to do with regards the immediate situation with a Being is: I know what my intuition tells me and I know that the other individual has a very different perspective and expects me to behave from that perspective- only my sui generis won't let me. The hardest thing for me to do- or at least, one of the hardest- is to risk being rejected by someone I care about because I don't behave the way they think I should, or I don't think the way they do.

I know individuals say all the time "if they're going to be like that then they don't really care about you anyway" *and* I have yet to discover a combination where a) there's a deep and passionate connection and b) where that sort of behaviour isn't part of the deal. I struggle with the disapproval and disconnect; I find the experience of it really gut wrenching and painful, when I'm holding onto my free will and integrity and I'm being told it's crap, I'm deluded or out of integrity or whatever.

I've been wondering about how that is: what is in me that makes me so vulnerable to having my integrity questioned or maligned, or being called a coward, or pathetic, or having my character viewed along those lines? When I look at it I recognise that there's a part of me that experiences my caring about someone to be tied into either disinterest or a contract being pushed towards me that says 'you care about me, you have to accept my crap behaviour'. I know that I hesitate to decline that because inside I feel that this is the only kind of deal that I'm going to be offered, that it's all I'm worth, ultimately.

I'm starting to kick that idea right in the balls. I'm getting a lot more comfortable with 'look, you don't like me, fine. You think I suck? Ok. You are entitled to your opinion, absolutely, and I'm entitled to decline to hang around and listen to you telling me how wrong I am and what exactly I*need* to do to get a clue, or be ok, or whatever.'

If anyone *needs* me to be their idea of the right kind of me, a particular way of being something other than what I am, then that's going to go pear shaped. It's when they start to insist that my acceptance of who they are and my willingness to be around their behaviour in the moment have to be the same or else there's a problem, that's when I start to pull back. I can accept someone feels a certain way and needs to express things, I just don't need it to be *me* that's the receptacle for that if what they're expressing causes me exhaustion or discomfort. I'm not here to prove anything to anyone, including how much I can take of anything at all: I'm me, and if anyone wants to co-create with me it will *be* a co-creation, not a 'you have to take everything I say and do and like it' kind of deal.

Sui generis says 'my experience is mine and I look for other signals that embrace this without the need to question the validity of my experience'. I wish to focus on things that don't involve validating my experience by the stamp of approval by someone outside my Self.

I'm exploring the themes. It will unfold.

Curt

13th June 2012, 17:05

Did Alekhan just retire from Avalon?

songsfortheotherkind

13th June 2012, 17:10

Did Alekhan just retire from Avalon?

*sad* It would appear so. This really sucks, I loved his beautiful posts and mind.

songsfortheotherkind

13th June 2012, 17:19

Blessed be all.
Courage for the journey ahead.
Pura Vida!:wave:

I really really don't want you to leave. :(

I hope peace and beauty follow you wherever you go.

songsfortheotherkind

13th June 2012, 17:23

Did Alekhan just retire from Avalon?

I tell you now, you sneak out on me here in this energetic outland and I'll hunt you down and set you on fire.

:P

*sideways eyed smile*

Curt

13th June 2012, 18:45

I was looking for a Monty Python clip and I stumbled on something called the Life of Brian Debate, 1979.

Evidently, it appeared on British TV in that year, and was a 'debate' over the meaning and message of the film Life of Brian.

It involved two Christian scholars on one side and two members of Monty Python, John Cleese and Michael Palin, on the other.

If anyone has about an hour to kill and wants a little taste of 1979 reactionary logic then consider this a great little time capsule.

I found it really interesting to listen to the then 'Christian' perspective on the movie.

It's also pretty funny in parts. Cleese is sharp and insightful and honest and comes off really well. No surprises there.

:pop2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts7TvOLoS7A

mountain_jim

13th June 2012, 19:25

Sync. :)

Part of that debate was included on the George Harrison documentary, originally shown on HBO(?), that I rented from netflix and watched in part II last night.

I never knew that George funded that movie, because 'he wanted to see it', after the original financiers read the screen-play and said Hail No!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python's_Life_of_Brian

The film would not have been made without former Beatle and Python fan George Harrison, who set up Handmade Films to help fund it at a cost of £3 million (a move later described by Eric Idle as the "world's most expensive cinema ticket"). Harrison put up the money for it as he "wanted to see the movie". The original backers, EMI Films, had been scared off at the last minute by the subject matter, particularly Bernard Delfont.[7] As a result, the very last words in the film are: "I said to him, 'Bernie, they'll never make their money back on this one'", teasing Delfont for his lack of faith in the project. Terry Gilliam later said, "They pulled out on the Thursday. The crew was supposed to be leaving on the Saturday. Disastrous. It was because they read the script... finally."[10] As a reward for his help, Harrison appears in a cameo appearance as Mr. Papadopoulos, "owner of the Mount", who briefly shakes hands with Brian in a crowd scene. His one word of dialogue (a cheery Scouse, but out-of-place-in-Judea, "ullo") had to be dubbed in later.

George was always my energetic connection to Beatles music. Also introduced me to Sitar and Ravi Shankar, whose music accompanied me on some major consciousness excursions by candle light back in my college days.

Borden

13th June 2012, 21:09

Thank you Curt,

I saw that interview many years ago, and was impressed even back then. I am still impressed at how Cleese keeps his relative cool. He is a super-hero in my book. As is Palin.

Those awful men they are talking to are not a good representation of the heteronomy however ... they are ridiculous and dreadful. It was exactly that sort of accent and demeanour that I saw the tail end of at school in this country. Here, Public school means the expensive kind, where distorted men with an unhealthy interest in children hold sway. I know the term 'public school' means something different in the States. Those monstrous sh!ts had a kind of place back than. I hope they don't now. Oh, I'm not implying anything sinister about the two men arguing against the Pythons in the clip ... I don't know them. I'm only referring to their tone as regards their religion.

Part of my unfolding was to see those creatures for what they truly are. Look at Cleese ... look at his face. He does. He's one of my heroes.

That was not a waste of an hour. Cheers, Curt.

Borden

13th June 2012, 21:34

Wow, that's never happened before ... I post a song and it mysteriously doesn't exist on Youtube as soon as I want to link to it. This can't be a black helicopter situation ... what's going on? Aaargh!

onawah

13th June 2012, 22:08

I've always preferred British humor to any other, and BBS has always been about the only TV I will watch.
Monty Python is pure genius.
I also loved the BBC series Being Human, the one I'm pretty sure Songs was talking about in # post 3538 where she wrote:

a few years ago I wrote a pilot for a tv series where the four main characters were a Shifter, vampire, witch and dimensionally slidey Being that were hiding in plain sight by being four characters in a tv series that dealt with a witch, Shifter, vampire and dimensionally slidey Being hiding in plain sight in a tv series. The multidimensional nature of the situation gave me much amusement.

Though I haven't watched the whole series yet, the dark and subtle humor is very funny so far.
If anyone has Netflix, you can watch Being Human streaming on your computer.
Also the American version, though I don't really recommend that one.
Graphic violence such as vampiric feasting can only be balanced out by brilliant, subtle dark humor, in my experience.
If you wrote the pilot for Being Human, Songs, thank you!
Here are some clips:
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George, the geeky character in eye glasses, is really funny as the werewolf.

Borden

13th June 2012, 22:13

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RunningDeer

13th June 2012, 22:50

Cerridwen

14th June 2012, 02:02

I am letting you know that I am aware I am neglecting you disgustingly and I am sorry about that. I miss you and at the same time, the sui generis is racing me down wormholes and pathways that I am immersing my Self in.

It's not a lack of interest, love or care that does it, it's my passion for this path, the writing, the deep exploration.

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs13/f/2007/072/7/a/Lesbian_Lovers_by_yalliizrhonda.jpg

I am bedazzled by worlds and called to explore the Songs- I want you to know that I haven't forgotten you at all, in any way.

:wave: I *think* this post was directed at me. If so, don't worry, I'm not feeling neglected at all, we're all doing exactly what we're supposed to be doing. :hug:

I really haven't been around the Pub much lately, just dropping by quickly, reading a few posts, and back out the door again. I've been busy working with my cauldron in the apothecary, creating lots of new goodies. Some are awesome if I do say so myself;), and others need more tweaking still :p. I love the tweaking part, it's what keeps me from becoming bored. Although, sometimes there is some cursing involved, but that usually turns into laughter pretty quickly. I just jot down what *not* to do again in my notes and move on.:o

Lots of interesting discussions have been going on in here. I love it! Onawah, I love that you've been asking for clarification. I think it helps everyone get on the same page of understanding. I had never heard of the term *Anun* before Songs. I had an understanding that there were a group of beings related to the Annunaki, but were of a different signal. More peaceful creators, living in harmony, not warlike and destructive. I always called them the *Annunaki Priestesses* (I know there were males in that group as well) in my head for lack of a better term. I like Anun better :).

I've always been deeply interested in history since I was a small child, the more ancient the better. I believe knowing ones history and having a good understanding of it, makes navigating ones future that much easier. For me at least, when something pops up, I can say 'Ah yes, been there & done that, ok, lets just sidestep that mess and go over here and try this out.' But if one doesn't know or *remember* their history, it makes knowing what parts to sidestep, that much trickier. Some lessons still need to be drilled into my brain over and over again:director:, but others have stuck well the first time.

songsfortheotherkind

14th June 2012, 02:22

http://www.bandedspirits.com/images/400_succubusfinal.jpg

I just had an encounter with the aspect of the virus that holds this view of those Beings that carry the Lilith signal. Of course we're going to be the demons cast against the story of the heteronomy, the god, the dominion. We're cast in the negative, always have been, to serve the purposes of the death cults in all their forms- and I got up close and personal with an element of that this morning.

I know it seeks to portray me as being like the above- the patriarchy HATES women, detests, loathes entirely, because it was the Liliths that broke the chains in the first place and who now see the writhings and machinations with cold fire, knowing eyes and a slight smile.

http://media.otakuzone.com/store/user/153876/T129159986935547390a3e03103ab1bf523b0ec8a170c.jpg

This isn't going to be a fight: that would require my giving my energy and attention to a festering, weaseltongued virus system. Why would I give my sui generis energy to that? It isn't a sword I carry in my hands, it's sui generis power, energetic and of the power of my Self in connection with the evolution Consciousness and All.

http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/images/9/91/Vanille_summons.PNG

http://selfempowermentsecrets.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Personal-Growth-Law-of-Power.jpg

Power looks nothing like force. At all.

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs20/f/2007/272/f/e/Power_by_P_N_E.jpg

I have things to do today and then I'm going to come home and create something about what happened to level up my awareness this morning.

I love this evolution. This is truly what I live for, in *all* the realms.

songsfortheotherkind

14th June 2012, 02:30

:wave: I *think* this post was directed at me. If so, don't worry, I'm not feeling neglected at all, we're all doing exactly what we're supposed to be doing. :hug:

It was. :) I love hearing about your life and world as it is right now. *hugs*

*puts on her goggles and grins at you, hugging you tightly*

There's a really wormy little bugger of the virus that needs setting on fire. I'll be back soon. :)

http://th07.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2009/349/6/b/Steam_punk_goggles_by_pwcca87.jpg

songsfortheotherkind

14th June 2012, 02:39

I also loved the BBC series Being Human, the one I'm pretty sure Songs was talking about in # post 3538 <>
Though I haven't watched the whole series yet, the dark and subtle humor is very funny so far.
If you wrote the pilot for Being Human, Songs, thank you!

*scuffles feet* Um, no, I wasn't responsible for this show. In my circles, this is a good thing- Otherkind are pretty fussy how they're portrayed, actually. It's also why I emailed the writers and producers of the show Heroes asking them not to f*uck it up, but that was always going to be on the cards. My show was much funnier, aimed at Otherkind and didn't require the killing of main characters to make humans feel better.

Sometimes, it can be highly entertaining watching such shows with Shifters and Cubus (which is actually where most of the best and funniest lines of my series came from, because it's that whole otherkind injoke thing that comes into play) but then one also runs the risk of having something thrown through the TV screen watching such shows with Shifters and Cubus. :P On the odd occasion in the past, it was *me * that put my boot through the screen. *innocent expression*

onawah

14th June 2012, 04:36

From post # 3524
[QUOTE]To be clear, I find the god/external authority thing boring. I'm getting kind of jazzed with bringing in the sui generis, not the least because it means when I find someone that truly gets what I'm expressing with it, the resultant glee and connection feel better than sex. I'm a succubus, so saying that says a lot . :D

I was never really into the god thing, or the external authority thing either, although I got the usual Christian programming as I was growing up, it didn't really take hold very deeply.
I was questioning everything even as a child.
But I am still interested in understanding why things are the way they are and how they got to be this way,, how the multiverse works, why people are the way there are and how they got this way, and so on...
Sui generis has always been the most important thing to me too, though I never had a term to apply to it until recently, and I forget it sometimes when the questing bloodhound part of my nature, which is constantly seeking understanding, escapes the leash.
Though sometimes it really helps to get answers to the questions that the bloodhound in me thinks are really important.. It helps to quiet it down so I can just BE more easily, at least.
That seems to be a pattern with me.
As I'm getting older, I am more aware of the tactics the virus uses and I keep looking for more and better ways to help me stay in touch with sui generis.
Which is why I spend so much time on this thread!
It's been useful in helping me to remember those gateways are there.

I have always been very curious about the different kinds of beings that inhabit the Multiverse, from the realms of the devas and other Nature spirits to ETs/EDs, the animal, vegetable and mineral worlds, and the worlds of human beings.
I want to know what I am as much as I want to know who I am.
And I think we are all connected in some way by these various realms that we live in.
I'm excited to be learning more now about the "Other" realms, one I haven't explored as much as I would like.
I would love to take ayahuasca, which seems to be a great portal.
When I feel an unfamiliar energy, however pleasant or unpleasant it feels, I want to know what it is, whether it is familiar or unfamiliar.
That's one reason why I've enjoyed "infiltrating" many different groups of people and finding what resonates, as I can learn about many different energies there.
There is substance there, if one knows where to look for it.

If it's gods or goddess energies I'm studying, I'm doing it because that study can effectively mirror characteristics which are also in human beings.
And I think that's been useful in helping many to let go of old programming which religions use to make us feel lesser than.
For example, in Wiccan and Goddess circles, learning about the various goddesses for me was really learning to recognize the characteristics that I, as a human woman, possess and can tap into.
I think any woman can tap into those energies and bring forth the traits in themselves that they are interested in manifesting.
For example, among others, I love Hestia, goddess of the Hearth and domestic crafts and the wise, powerful crone, Hecate.
Domesticity is not as revered in women as it once was, but I still love the arts of home making (see-- even that term "home making" sounds pathetic), and I love the energy of strong, wise crones, though old women are about as disregarded a group of people as you can find.
I don't feel there is a separation between myself and those energies, but by thinking of their symbols, the goddesses, I can tap into them more easily,
It's a great tool, and as long as it's used correctly, it's not about "worship" or separation at all.

I don't personally do the Light thing and I've heard many interpretations of what this is, so I'm curious- when *you* say you're holding the "Light", what do you mean?

It's simple. I just mean that I work on staying as much in a connected, grounded, positive mode of being as possible,doing the things that are good for me and by so doing, making a contribution to the community I live in.
Whether it's by gardening, patronizing the Farmer's Market, doing volunteer or activist work, doing healing work, being a good listener and a good friend--whatever helps to create a healthier, happier reality for me and those who live around me on a basic, practical level.
On a more esosteric level, I do what I can to keep growing and evolving and finding the meaning I need in life, though that part of my life is far more private.
I'm considered an oddball, even in this progressive little community I live in.
So I guess in a way, I could say that I live in two different realities as well.

I'm going to write about my personal experience with the feminine and all that, as soon as I finish bemoaning the lack of a third set of hands. *whinge whine moan*
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I look forward to that!

All other channeling and other information I've ever come across contain the hierarchy and heteronomy. I therefore dismiss it, it's not the signal I'm interested in at all. The sui generis is my measuring stick. It's interesting that, apart from the one example, I've not seen it anywhere else- so who *are* all these Beings that can't imagine or function outside a hierarchical, heteronomous arrangement? What form of hierarchy are they wanting to replace this one with? The thing that really makes me curious is why any truly intelligent, aware and spiritually evolved Being would advocate anything *less* than sui generis? The Creators I have met don't do hierarchy, domination, homogeny, control or heteronomy- so why would I be interested in it, as a Being with a passion for evolution? Why would *any* Being connected to the evolution Consciousness be interested in those things? I can't hear any of it without simply shrugging and dismissing it all as virus, and I'm not interested in advocating being a good carrier of the virus.

I would love to know what that one source was that you found to be of value.
Well, as I said, I just take the bits from the various sources of info I find that are relevant, and leave the rest.
The rate of positive change and evolution on the planet in general feels slow as molasses to me, but I do resonate with others who envision radical changes for the better coming eventually, even if they are channelers, because I think that's going to happen, but I can see the huge amount of wool that's being pulled over hopeful people's eyes too.
I think the changes will come, but they are going to take time, and that is clear simply because the virus is still so thick all around us.
It's been an interesting process to me to see the impatience in other people, especially those who follow the channeled info, and use that as a mirror to see my own itchiness.
It's helped me to let go of unreasonable expectations.
Will a change in planetary frequency change everything?
I sure do hope so! But I don't think it's going to happen overnight, and the few channelers I read reflect that clearly, and offer useful info that helps me to be patient and monitor the small frequency changes that I can feel as we go...

there's that word again. What is it, to you? What does it mean, 'to operate from a place of Love'?

When I got into the White Light on LSD, I was filled with the most exquisite love and bliss, beyond anything I ever could have imagined.
The feeling of love is something that only has to be experienced, and then it doesn't require explanations. But it's not that hard to come by...
Something as simple as a devoted pet can be a great connection to love.
My kitty is one of the greatest sources of unconditional love in my life at present. I just melt every time I look in her eyes.
But if I had to define it, I would say love is appreciating someone exactly as they are, and wanting the very best for them. whatever that may be, though I never assume that I might know what that is...

What is this place of fascination you are speaking about? And I do not understand much of this paragraph, because I've written about living in two different dimensions/universes simultaneously, which were set apart in time also; I've also written about walking in to other Selves. I live in a very fluid 'Verse as it is, so I am unsure of the conflicts you're suggesting here.

Please excuse me for the paragraph you are referring to. I'm not skilled enough at writing to be able to explain this well enough, and I shouldn't have tried.

From post #3525

The Anun I am familiar with chose to go to the otherrealms. They're more Otherkind than Starkind, they chose to immerse their Selves in the evolution Consciousness in a very physical way. I do not have any interest in information that speaks of the anunnaki living on Mars or anywhere else; the quarantine was locked in place before they could get offworld, so perhaps it's Anun that are being spoken of, perhaps it's a load of bunk, perhaps its an entirely different reality the visitors are tapping into. My experience and knowledge is that it's not possible for the anunnaki to get off earth: they're trapped here, as all the religious and spiritual traditions hint at (or state outright), for good reason: no one wanted the virus they carry to spread through the rest of the multiverse.

The colony on Mars has been a very hot topic on Avalon and other forums. Anyone who has direct information about any of this will probably be considered a worthwhile source of information to investigate.
So... you've been warned! Beware the Conspiracy Theorists :nerd::nerd::nerd:
They tend to leave no stone unturned.
If word gets out, Kerry Cassidy may want to interview you! :lol:

BTW, actually, I think the reports from the whistleblowers like Clifford Stone and Bob Dean sounded more like the colonists that were found on Mars were Annunaki hybrids.
And apparently they are not particularly interested in having more humans from Earth visiting their colonies, :tsk: :mmph: which isn't too surprising...

From post #3552

I've been wondering about how that is: what is in me that makes me so vulnerable to having my integrity questioned or maligned, or being called a coward, or pathetic, or having my character viewed along those lines? When I look at it I recognise that there's a part of me that experiences my caring about someone to be tied into either disinterest or a contract being pushed towards me that says 'you care about me, you have to accept my crap behaviour'. I know that I hesitate to decline that because inside I feel that this is the only kind of deal that I'm going to be offered, that it's all I'm worth, ultimately.

I hope I am not belaboring the obvious, but I will take a chance here...
I can only speak for myself in regard to this question, and this experience for me at the Pub.
Being the kind of nomadic explorer I am, I was instantly attracted to the vibe that you created on this thread. Fun, quirky, lively, original, funny. daring. different.
But I have never been into Goth or Punk, etc. and always kind of associated that world with criminal types, addicts, sociopaths, cynics etc., who seemed to want to attract a negative kind of attention to themselves.
Which I have to admit is curiously closed minded on my part, because I was a hippie chick when I was younger and experienced pretty much the same thing for pretty much the same reasons.:laugh:
So there seemed to me for awhile to be a bit of a contradiction between the sui generis and the outer trappings of the image you project here in the Pub, but the energy and language you've filled this thread with belied the negative misconceptions, and so I stuck around.
The images you posted of the Wraith-like guy with the white hair and skin were a little disconcerting.
(If you are not familiar with the Wraith, they are an imaginary (one hopes) ET race created by the writers of the sci-fi series, Stargate Atlantis. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wraith_%28Stargate%29 )
And though you explained what you define as a succubus( not a harmful, murdering parasite as has been portrayed in many stories and myths) it still gave me pause initially, until I understood what you really meant.

It seems that all the ways that we humans organize ourselves, especially when we organize ourselves in groups, to express whatever it is that we feel about ourselves and the world we live in... are prey to some form of attack by the virus, so it becomes difficult to remain true to our original purpose.
I don't think the virus is completely successful at this, but it's persistent.
I'm sure we all recognize the limitations to what can be achieved as individuals and as members of whatever groups we may have affiliated ourselves with.
Yet in our world, we have to keep on forming groups to get things done on a purely practical level.

The difficulty comes I think when someone identifies so much with the group they find some special and particular commonality with, that they forget sui generis, and so any criticism leveled at the group seems like a personal attack. And so you, being the proponent of sui generis, may seem to be an attacker.

When I was growing up, the first group that I noticed displaying some signs of healthy sui generis were the beatniks.
Even while I was just an adolescent, I gravitated towards them.
It wasn't long before the virus infected that movement big time, but in a way, it just seemed to give them even more character.
Later, it was the Flower Children and the revolutionary, back to the land hippies for me, then it was Zen Buddhists and mystics, and so on...
No group every really seems to fulfill their potential to change the world for the better, but the impulse to do so keeps on arising in us, and that is a good thing.
I don't know how we are going to create our new paradigm, but I think organized groups will still be an important part of that process.
Yet groups can only be as effective as the individuals who make up those groups, and so we must all be true to our sui generis in order to be effective in any part of our lives.
So it's very useful to explore that together, but here, as anywhere else, we have to be aware of where virus might insert itself.
Perhaps it will be useful for us to appreciate where we've been as much as where we are going, warts and all.
Even though it may have been two steps forward, one step back, and over unimaginably long periods of time, we have arrived where we are now after this epic journey, and that's an accomplishment of sorts, I would say.
But that's just me speaking from my own sui generis, and it may not resonate with everyone.
Which is fine, we don't have to agree.
And each new generation has to follow its' own signal--that's part of the cycles of life, and always will be, I imagine,

From post #3547

This that I'm saying is what undoes the distortions of the virus, all the thrashing around thinking that one has to 'work things out' when it's the opposite, it's simply about recognising if a signal has the Life in it or not. The Life will never support corruption- corruption and closed systems *ALWAYS* die. *Anything* that can no longer evolve will ALWAYS die. If something is dying, it is disconnected from the evolution signal in some way and the signal is reconfiguring what is dying so there is a better chance for evolution. If a signal is *truly* at the end of its ability to evolve, it passes away from the Life completely, the energy recycled back into the sea of possibility to emerge clean and full of possibility in a completely new form.

This is why I find the notion of returning to source bizarre, because I wonder why the speaker is telling me that they are at the end of their ability to evolve and are choosing to dissolve all that they have been and return to being part of the energy signal that fuels the All, while being utterly unconscious and out of existence. Given this perspective, I find the constant talk of returning to source another expression of the virus death obsession/signal: it makes perfect sense to me that the virus *would* be pimping death in the guise of higher consciousness, for a variety of obvious reasons- and that is my personal, sui generis perspective on this, in a very tiny sliver of the frequency I'm referencing from. It's helpful to start thinking of frequency as a sliding scale, something that has possibilities and nuance within it rather than a 'this is a frog', 'this is a tree' label label label and losing the distinction of each *individual* tree, the relationship with that unique frog, the subtlety of signal.

I think of going back to the Source as the time between incarnations when we are able to let go of the tiredness and disappointments that life in a body usually entails, and get re-energized, freshly inspired and motivated to continue with our journey.
Kind of like a spiritual colonic.

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I like what James Gilliland said in one of his videos about an experience he had, which was either between incarnations or a NDE, I can't remember which.
He was in a space of such complete Unconditional Love that was so blissful, he never wanted to leave.
But the generosity of the Creator Source being he was connecting to was so overwhelmingly loving and giving that he could not help but ask it what he could give back.
The Creator Being asked him how he would like to give, and that was how he began to realize that he wasn't done and wanted to come back and "do his thing", which, presumably, was his work at ECETI Ranch.
That is what many people report that it's like when we return to Source between lives.
We don't lose our individuality, but we get replenished with energy and appreciation and gratitude for what Creator has given.
That rings true for me, but perhaps it's different for different people.

If at some point we actually stay in that blissful state of pure energy, feeling that we are finished with that journey, then I think another kind of journey begins.
I don't think we lose individuality, we just keep expanding and exploring, but we feel less separation as we go and more Beingness and Oneness with that Source.
But if the idea of non-being, if there is such a thing, seems to others to be the most desirable state imaginable, perhaps something like that can also be achieved.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's only temporary too, however, and evolves into something else eventually..

Right now, I'll just settle for some nice zzzzzzzzs.
Sweet dreams.
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onawah

14th June 2012, 05:15

May we know what the name of the show was?
It sounds like it would be an education.

I also loved the BBC series Being Human, the one I'm pretty sure Songs was talking about in # post 3538 <>
Though I haven't watched the whole series yet, the dark and subtle humor is very funny so far.
If you wrote the pilot for Being Human, Songs, thank you!

*scuffles feet* Um, no, I wasn't responsible for this show. In my circles, this is a good thing- Otherkind are pretty fussy how they're portrayed, actually. It's also why I emailed the writers and producers of the show Heroes asking them not to f*uck it up, but that was always going to be on the cards. My show was much funnier, aimed at Otherkind and didn't require the killing of main characters to make humans feel better.

Sometimes, it can be highly entertaining watching such shows with Shifters and Cubus (which is actually where most of the best and funniest lines of my series came from, because it's that whole otherkind injoke thing that comes into play) but then one also runs the risk of having something thrown through the TV screen watching such shows with Shifters and Cubus. :P On the odd occasion in the past, it was *me * that put my boot through the screen. *innocent expression*

Borden

14th June 2012, 08:29

Hi Onawah,

The clip you posted of the young chap on 'America's got talent' made me think of this guy. How's this for blatant Otherkind?

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Valle

14th June 2012, 09:43

Found this symbolic loaded ad from new virgin atlantic...
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Borden

14th June 2012, 10:06

Yes, pretty horrific.

Pay no attention, Valle. If you want to find the code you will, everywhere. This is the world we live in. Fly free.

Cerridwen

14th June 2012, 12:08

Yes, pretty horrific.

Pay no attention, Valle. If you want to find the code you will, everywhere. This is the world we live in. Fly free.

But I did enjoy the Muse song.

I thought about you a few times yesterday at work, Borden. They kept playing The Killers on the radio. I love their music too, and now whenever I hear them, I think of you and send you hugs. :)

songsfortheotherkind

14th June 2012, 12:14

May we know what the name of the show was? It sounds like it would be an education.

*grins* It *would* have been, had anyone here in Australia been prepared to produce it, but it was too Other and creeped humans out. lol.

One of my favorite snippets of dialogue involved a very stoned werewolf (which was one of the ways he kept his shapeshifting under control and is, interestingly, a favorite way of many hybrids to keep some things under wraps) having an indepth discussion with the vampire and the dimensional Being regarding the question of if one were to eat Ronald MacDonald, does this equate with eating fast food?
"Well, are you thinking you'd like fries with that? Because that's a heap more calories and bad cholesterol right there-"
"what if you tossed a salad over him before hand? would that count?'
'good point, but I'll ditch the croutons-'
'oh gods yes, who needs a bout of irritable bowel syndrome when you're running through the woods?'
'although, when you think about it, having a bout of irritable bowel syndrome when you're running through the woods in wolf form is much better than a bout of irritable bowel sydrome when you're running through the woods for your morning jog-"
"-or for the morning bus"
"for f*uck's sake, I don't have irritable bowel syndrome! I just hate croutons!"

Borden

14th June 2012, 12:19

(Quietly beaming that I get hugs from Cerridwen.)

Curt

14th June 2012, 12:39

Excellent call on Muse. Here's a great song and a great video, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_asZ5Mi15Y&feature=related

songsfortheotherkind

14th June 2012, 13:01

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You make me smile in every realm there is- dance with me, dance with me, dance with me...

songsfortheotherkind

14th June 2012, 13:05

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFtNChII78k

onawah

14th June 2012, 14:27

[QUOTE=Borden;505853]Hi Onawah,

The clip you posted of the young chap on 'America's got talent' made me think of this guy. How's this for blatant Otherkind?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bRM7x_SiK4
Thanks Borden.
I couldn't get any sound on that video for some reason, but I found this one, where he appears to have gills.
That's quite a falsetto!
It made me think of a favorite sci-fi fantasy book that I gave away long ago, and can't remember the title or author now, but it was about a future Earth where people could elect to have their DNA spliced so they could grow physical characteristics like gills, and swim with the dolphins.
I've wondered if the Olympic champion swimmer Michael Phelps might have been a dolphin in a previous incarnation.

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songsfortheotherkind

14th June 2012, 14:46

I'm going to answer this all over the shop. It's how I roll.

But I am still interested in understanding why things are the way they are and how they got to be this way,, how the multiverse works, why people are the way there are and how they got this way, and so on...

For me, I looked at how things worked for me, and what I discovered was that I loved how the universe kept increasing the complexity of life and signal. It made sense that an intelligent multiverse was wanting to get more complex and interesting, and that was why everything else was happening: the signal was looking for Beings that could play in a infinite multitude of interestings way. This made me smile and I began to figure out what I could do to assist this goal. I reconnected with some other versions of *I* and got some cool and froody things going on in the otherrealms that I had come here connected to. The 'why' got really simple and I learned to respond to the why with 'why not?'. This sometimes really seems to annoy the beejums out of the questioner and I briefly thought to ask why, but figured they'd respond with 'why not?' and that seemed fair enough to me.

How does something that is based on the choices made within the infinite possibility work? Fluidly. It doesn't ask 'why', it experiences and immerses itself in the process. It works because the evolution Consciousness knows its own purpose and intention and follows that, by choice.

As I'm getting older, I am more aware of the tactics the virus uses and I keep looking for more and better ways to help me stay in touch with sui generis.
Which is why I spend so much time on this thread! It's been useful in helping me to remember those gateways are there.

Those and a whole heap of other ones, when we decide to drop the paradigm and get *really* interesting...

I have always been very curious about the different kinds of beings that inhabit the Multiverse, from the realms of the devas and other Nature spirits to ETs/EDs, the animal, vegetable and mineral worlds, and the worlds of human beings.

Except for the humans, the rest are creating their Selves as they are inspired, lead, inclined and desire to. None of this is concrete. None of this is absolute. It's not a 'Verse for those that need things to be real- I'm not saying you do, I'm doing the overmind thing I do- it's not for those that need rules, or parameters, or any of those things: it's for those that like to discover things, and discover that those were just one set of possibilities in an infinite variety of options. It's the kaleidescope. Always. Evolve, or die. Transform, level up, embrace the flow, get your freak on, get comfortable with worlds made of smoke and mirrors, no rules or restrictions, make it up as we go along- this is what I'm built for. The evolution is in my blood, in my essence, in my Being. Finding a crew to co-create with is the part that works to increase the complexity on this level: that's the next interesting thing, getting us together. We've built ourselves in order to create worlds, if we get to the point of being able to handle the elements that go into that.

I'm looking for other worldmakers. I'm a god and heteronomy dissolver, in part- wherever the sui generis shines, the gods fade. It's a gorgeous evolution.

I want to know what I am as much as I want to know who I am.

Haven't you got it yet? YOU get to decide who and what you are. Sui generis- who else can tell you anything about you if you are the unique singularity, one of a kind, Firstborn you? Anyone trying to tell you about you would be suggesting that they were in some way a greater authority on you than you- isn't that a god? But sui generis holds no room for gods... so what then? Do you know yet why there's no room for gods?

When I feel an unfamiliar energy, however pleasant or unpleasant it feels, I want to know what it is, whether it is familiar or unfamiliar.
That's one reason why I've enjoyed "infiltrating" many different groups of people and finding what resonates, as I can learn about many different energies there.
There is substance there, if one knows where to look for it.

From where I'm looking in the hologram, it seems the greatest infiltration you could undertake at the moment is your own Self. :)

If it's gods or goddess energies I'm studying, I'm doing it because that study can effectively mirror characteristics which are also in human beings.

Humans don't interest me at all. I'm looking for a far more interesting and engaging signal.

I think any woman can tap into those energies and bring forth the traits in themselves that they are interested in manifesting.
For example, among others, I love Hestia, goddess of the Hearth and domestic crafts and the wise, powerful crone, Hecate.
Domesticity is not as revered in women as it once was, but I still love the arts of home making (see-- even that term "home making" sounds pathetic), and I love the energy of strong, wise crones, though old women are about as disregarded a group of people as you can find.
I don't feel there is a separation between myself and those energies, but by thinking of their symbols, the goddesses, I can tap into them more easily,
It's a great tool, and as long as it's used correctly, it's not about "worship" or separation at all.

Thanks for sharing your perspective about that: being immersed in a signal that is completely devoid of such things means I don't engage in things that way, so it's interesting to me to find others with a different experience.

So I guess in a way, I could say that I live in two different realities as well.

*grins* that one, I can utterly relate to, with a few more realities thrown in.

I would love to know what that one source was that you found to be of value.
Well, as I said, I just take the bits from the various sources of info I find that are relevant, and l eave the rest.
The rate of positive change and evolution on the planet in general feels slow as molasses to me, but I do resonate with others who envision radical changes for the better coming eventually, even if they are channelers, because I think that's going to happen, but I can see the huge amount of wool that's being pulled over hopeful people's eyes too.
I think the changes will come, but they are going to take time, and that is clear simply because the virus is still so thick all around us.
It's been an interesting process to me to see the impatience in other people, especially those who follow the channeled info, and use that as a mirror to see my own itchiness.
It's helped me to let go of unreasonable expectations.
Will a change in planetary frequency change everything?
I sure do hope so! But I don't think it's going to happen overnight, and the few channelers I read reflect that clearly, and offer useful info that helps me to be patient and monitor the small frequency changes that I can feel as we go...

there's that word again. What is it, to you? What does it mean, 'to operate from a place of Love'?

When I got into the White Light on LSD, I was filled with the most exquisite love and bliss, beyond anything I ever could have imagined.
The feeling of love is something that only has to be experienced, and then it doesn't require explanations. But it's not that hard to come by...
Something as simple as a devoted pet can be a great connection to love.
My kitty is one of the greatest sources of unconditional love in my life at present. I just melt every time I look in her eyes.
But if I had to define it, I would say love is appreciating someone exactly as they are, and wanting the very best for them. whatever that may be, though I never assume that I might know what that is...

What is this place of fascination you are speaking about? And I do not understand much of this paragraph, because I've written about living in two different dimensions/universes simultaneously, which were set apart in time also; I've also written about walking in to other Selves. I live in a very fluid 'Verse as it is, so I am unsure of the conflicts you're suggesting here.

Please excuse me for the paragraph you are referring to. I'm not skilled enough at writing to be able to explain this well enough, and I shouldn't have tried.

From post #3525

The colony on Mars has been a very hot topic on Avalon and other forums. Anyone who has direct information about any of this will probably be considered a worthwhile source of information to investigate. So... you've been warned! Beware the Conspiracy Theorists :nerd::nerd::nerd: They tend to leave no stone unturned. If word gets out, Kerry Cassidy may want to interview you! :lol:

I don't think that's actually ever going to happen- the only thing that is supported in those realms is variations of the heteronomy and virus, redux. :P

BTW, actually, I think the reports from the whistleblowers like Clifford Stone and Bob Dean sounded more like the colonists that were found on Mars were Annunaki hybrids.
And apparently they are not particularly interested in having more humans from Earth visiting their colonies, :tsk: :mmph: which isn't too surprising...

The Anun don't like being around humans, for obvious reasons, one of which is that humans are programmed to destroy anything that is truly different from them, and Otherkind would always knock before strolling through the door, which humans don't do. I still think these are created scenarios, because the Anun know how to keep their Selves and realms private, if they're in the places where they don't live with Others.

going to cut here and write again when I've had my sleep. :)

Borden

15th June 2012, 07:29

Hi Onawah,

I don't think I know the book you're remembering, but it did make me think of another book, 'Neverness', and the trilogy that followed it. I actually get annoyed by those books, but I have to admit to myself that when I read them in my twenties, the first couple anyway, they influenced me heavily. In those books, there are people who elect to have themselves 'carked' into Neatherthal form, to live a simpler life. But that's just the beginning, a lot of interesting stuff happens thereafter.

And yes, that is quite some falsetto! Reminds me of Freddie Mercury's answer when questioned on how he could hit the high notes he did. "Pliers under the frock, darling."

Borden

15th June 2012, 07:38

Dammit ... another picture that won't post. Very annoying

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Ah, it worked. Keeps making me laugh.

Borden

15th June 2012, 08:34

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songsfortheotherkind

15th June 2012, 10:34

Ok! Reply part the two, with amendments.

I would love to know what that one source was that you found to be of value.

I haven't read all of the material, because I find I have a different search mechanism to most. What made me cry in the material I did read was the rejection of the heteronomy. They do use different words to describe things: I never use the Divine to describe the evolution Consciousness, Divine has too much connotation for me that I don't ascribe to, yet the fundamental idea behind what they're talking about resonates deeply within this sui generis heart.

http://www.wingmakers.us/ this is the original site, before it was tampered with.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/wingmakers this is the essay that made me cry in recognition.

I know there are threads on this forum regarding this material. I have no interest in weighing in on the debate, as I don't enjoy debate. When I read this material I connected with the downloads in a major way for several days, which resulted in a leap in my ability to communicate the sui generis concepts. I touch briefly now and again with the material- as I said, these links were given to me almost as soon as I got to Avalon and I didn't think it co-incidental. :) I usually don't read much about other signals, and this one makes me feel a deep longing for somewhere not here.

Well, as I said, I just take the bits from the various sources of info I find that are relevant, and leave the rest.

*nodding* Like Mr Universe said- they can't stop the signal, Mal. I have refined my ability to sense 'source code' pretty much anywhere these days- it's leaking out everywhere because, just as in Jurassic Park, no matter how much the controllers try to suppress the Life signal, it's going to find a way to be expressed. That's what it does.

The rate of positive change and evolution on the planet in general feels slow as molasses to me... Will a change in planetary frequency change everything? I sure do hope so! But I don't think it's going to happen overnight, and the few channelers I read reflect that clearly, and offer useful info that helps me to be patient and monitor the small frequency changes that I can feel as we go...

I don't focus on 'out there' any more. I have absolutely *no influence whatsoever* on whether the general population gets A Clue about anything. I'm not here for that. I don't focus on them. I used to and it got me into nothing but Worlds of Ghastly Goo, as well as nearly ending this avatar on a couple of occasions. I looked at this, looked at them, looked at how all the looking at them was taking up my time, energy and space without evolving me and figured 'hmm, something's not right here!' So I looked into the virus agenda of telling individuals that 'caring' about others means 'getting in their story' and 'bleeding away your precious energy to feed another's story'.

ah. insert Borden's recent Joker video here. I have stood back and watched the societal programming called 'emotion' run it's riots in both others and my Self. I'm learning to look with suspicion on everything that comes up in me: my sui generis signal seems to take my in a diametrically opposed direction to pretty much everything that others hold up and point to saying 'higher vibration' or any other such labels. I'm Otherkind and believe me, I am physically oriented, capable of great passion and ability to exchange energy with other Beings, and I seem to be withdrawing from the actual physical realms to make those kinds of connections until my connections are able to physically materialise here, simply because the entanglements appear to be too great for me to negotiate and that makes exchanging/feeding... *shrugs* If I didn't have Pan, I'd probably be dead, but he grins at me and pours energy into me and he and my Otherkind partner lean into me and remind me that that was the deal, I was never going to be abandoned here alone again, and so I can walk through this faint signal miasm and survive here. He is also nudging me and telling me I'm being dramatic about the dead thing, but when I turn with raised eyebrows he just kind of smiles and shrugs.

And individuals wonder why Otherkind and Starkind don't appear here. *shakes head* I have no idea how the humans survive, truly, this zombie existence they call 'life' is as remote from being connected to the signal as are the furtherest opposite points of the physical realms. *grinning* not that distance has anything to do with it at all. The signal here is so devastating to endure, when you're still connected to the otherrealms. Pan and N save me from the worst of it. I do keep trying to make connection with incarnates, and I sometimes do, in little ways, and there's still so much noise that I am constantly constrained in the playing. I accept that now. It's probably quite likely that I won't experience my falling upwards until the Veil is down and I can touch Pan in the physical realm again. I try not to think about being able to touch N again- that connection is too intense. We're careful not to pull me out of here.

From post #3552

I've been wondering about how that is: what is in me that makes me so vulnerable to having my integrity questioned or maligned, or being called a coward, or pathetic, or having my character viewed along those lines? When I look at it I recognise that there's a part of me that experiences my caring about someone to be tied into either disinterest or a contract being pushed towards me that says 'you care about me, you have to accept my crap behaviour'. I know that I hesitate to decline that because inside I feel that this is the only kind of deal that I'm going to be offered, that it's all I'm worth, ultimately.

I'm going to answer my own quote with something that I am aware of about me. It's why I posted the Dido song: 'if I don't learn to buy', rather than talk of travel and that. I have always held back from *truly* 'buying', holding my Self out from what I always knew deep down about my Self, what direction I wanted to turn towards. I know why this is. I didn't want to do things that would result in my being more isolated and cut off from others than what I already am here. I've been exploring this over the past two days. I'm going to write about it after I finish this reply.

Being the kind of nomadic explorer I am, I was instantly attracted to the vibe that you created on this thread. Fun, quirky, lively, original, funny. daring. different.
But I have never been into Goth or Punk, etc. and always kind of associated that world with criminal types, addicts, sociopaths, cynics etc., who seemed to want to attract a negative kind of attention to themselves.

*laughs* That's part of the whole point- do you think we want every tourist rocking up to our clubs to make fun of our culture and drunkenly hit on everyone? The Goth clubs are the safest I've ever felt because we naturally filter out f*uckwits and boring droids. It's also a place to find other succubus/incubus, and to find individuals who aren't vanilla, without having to endure the squick of a bdsm club, which I won't go to- because it attracts predators. So the Goth community is a good compromise for keeping the those who judge us away. :)

Which I have to admit is curiously closed minded on my part, because I was a hippie chick when I was younger and experienced pretty much the same thing for pretty much the same reasons.:laugh:

*sideways eyed smile* Yes, the past experiences don't prevent the repeats. I've noticed that here. It's why I get headtilty at those who get upset at the idea those who have long supported the effort to evolve the humans here are pulling out. What are they expecting- eternal sacrifice?

So there seemed to me for awhile to be a bit of a contradiction between the sui generis and the outer trappings of the image you project here in the Pub, but the energy and language you've filled this thread with belied the negative misconceptions, and so I stuck around.

That's really interesting to me, given that I'm so aware of how much I filter my Otherkind Self here- I have thrashed around while I've been unstickying with some of the virus expressions, and at the same time I have been narrowing my scope so much to try and get a framework created. The sui generis and free expression- regardless of how others perceive it- are intertwined. So I was a mirror for your own prejudices and assumptions? Cool. It's also cool you stuck around to explore that, which to me is the truly interesting place in any evolution: triggers happen, it's what we DO with them that is the interesting bit.

The images you posted of the Wraith-like guy with the white hair and skin were a little disconcerting. (If you are not familiar with the Wraith, they are an imaginary (one hopes) ET race created by the writers of the sci-fi series, Stargate Atlantis. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wraith_%28Stargate%29 )

You really thought there was some comparison between my Nuada pics and the Wraith images? The Wraith are just another bastardised, demonised version of the Otherkind expression. No surprises there. Nuada is so, so incredibly beautiful to me.

And though you explained what you define as a succubus (not a harmful, murdering parasite as has been portrayed in many stories and myths) it still gave me pause initially, until I understood what you really meant.

One of the things I am looking forward to when all this evolution phase sorts out is being able to speak my language, my energetic language, again, within my own form and with those I love. The energy transfer in touch has no comparison or descriptors here.

It seems that all the ways that we humans organize ourselves, especially when we organize ourselves in groups, to express whatever it is that we feel about ourselves and the world we live in... are prey to some form of attack by the virus, so it becomes difficult to remain true to our original purpose.I don't think the virus is completely successful at this, but it's persistent. [QUOTE]

It's adaptable. Infinitely adaptable, unless it's overwhelmed by certain parameters. Humans only stumble across those parameters accidentally.

[QUOTE]I'm sure we all recognize the limitations to what can be achieved as individuals and as members of whatever groups we may have affiliated ourselves with.

I in no way share your certainty about this and actually the global evidence seems to suggest the exact opposite- humans are generally spectacularly crap at recognising their own limitations in any way.

Yet in our world, we have to keep on forming groups to get things done on a purely practical level.

Yet, in other physical worlds, plenty of practical stuff gets done without any homogenising or heteronomy at all. Now, 'how does that happen?' might be a really useful exploration to have...

The difficulty comes I think when someone identifies so much with the group they find some special and particular commonality with, that they forget sui generis, and so any criticism leveled at the group seems like a personal attack. And so you, being the proponent of sui generis, may seem to be an attacker.

*shrugs* The controllers knew we'd be showing up eventually- part of this whole virus arrangement is a specific, focused and desperate attempt to keep the sui generis *out*. You don't think they knew it was out there and didn't think it would be coming back? None of this is a surprise, of course I'm going to be seen as an attacker. From the virus's point of view, I *am*. And as most humans are agents for the virus... *shrugs*

No group every really seems to fulfill their potential to change the world for the better, but the impulse to do so keeps on arising in us, and that is a good thing.

this is the natural adaptivity of the virus, and the continuous Life signal rising. Teh virus has an issue, as all viruses do, with the balance of controlling the host and not overwhelming it to the point of death. The controllers are frustrated beyond measure because they don't have access to that natural oscillation and so their creations keep dying.

I don't know how we are going to create our new paradigm, but I think organized groups will still be an important part of that process.

If the new paradigm has anything to do with organised groups you can rest assured that it will simply be a rehashing of the old paradigm in a new and improved version. I shall be staying well away from that one.

Yet groups can only be as effective as the individuals who make up those groups, and so we must all be true to our sui generis in order to be effective in any part of our lives.
So it's very useful to explore that together, but here, as anywhere else, we have to be aware of where virus might insert itself.

The sui generis can only be as effective as the individual carrying it. There are several Beings here in the Pub that constantly keep watch for the virus, my Self included and the Pub has seen me deal with it in the open before. The virus will insert itself anywhere and everywhere that an ignorance of its modus operandi exists.

Perhaps it will be useful for us to appreciate where we've been as much as where we are going, warts and all.

Personally I don't use the past for much at all but triangulation. I let it go when I don't need it for anything, I'm not sentimental and I see it as loaded with virus so it only generally has limited use as a triangulation system for figuring out the sui generis in contrast.

I think of going back to the Source as the time between incarnations when we are able to let go of the tiredness and disappointments that life in a body usually entails, and get re-energized, freshly inspired and motivated to continue with our journey. Kind of like a spiritual colonic.

That is a vision that has no connection to one's sui generis- if you are deeply engaged with your own evolution and the process of that in co-creation with other Beings, what tiredness and disappointment is there to detox from? Only those not deeply connected to their passions and expression end up tired and disappointed. I don't have any resonance whatsoever with this expression of how energy works, so I accept your experience of the way this works for you.

I like what James Gilliland said in one of his videos about an experience he had, which was either between incarnations or a NDE, I can't remember which.
He was in a space of such complete Unconditional Love that was so blissful, he never wanted to leave.

That concept fills me with much of the puzzled staring. I accept that some find such a place and experience attractive.

That is what many people report that it's like when we return to Source between lives. We don't lose our individuality, but we get replenished with energy and appreciation and gratitude for what Creator has given. That rings true for me, but perhaps it's different for different people.

I appreciate your sharing your experience and you are right, it is different for different Beings.

If at some point we actually stay in that blissful state of pure energy, feeling that we are finished with that journey, then I think another kind of journey begins.
I don't think we lose individuality, we just keep expanding and exploring, but we feel less separation as we go and more Beingness and Oneness with that Source.
But if the idea of non-being, if there is such a thing, seems to others to be the most desirable state imaginable, perhaps something like that can also be achieved.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's only temporary too, however, and evolves into something else eventually..

Everything evolves- or devolves- according to its signal. It has input and choice about that. I am familiar with the states of blissful pure energy, Cubus exchange that together, and it inspires me to greater choice and creativity, not the other way around. I'm built differently and the multiverse is filled with infinite possibility. I am enjoying the ones I'm choosing. :)

PurpleLama

15th June 2012, 11:52

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onawah

15th June 2012, 14:55

Thanks for the input, Songs.
Your perspective is certainly different than any other I have encountered, and I hope it will help the Otherness in me to reemerge, since that is a part of me that I have always treasured.
Obviously, having been in many incarnations on this planet for a long time, my perspective has evolved in a very different way.
For other hybrids or Starseed (or whatever) who might read this thread, perhaps the above clarification will also be useful.

I think I may have been the one who referred you to the Wingmaker material.
I'm glad you found that worthy of your attention.
I believe I also mentioned at that time that Kerry Cassidy has permission from James to make a movie based on the Ancient Arrow Project.
(Though from all reports, she doesn't have the funds to work on such a project at this time.)

If the signal from the Wingmakers material could be embedded in a film, it could be along the lines of Kubrick's 2001 A Space Odyssey in terms of awakening many people.
There seemed to be some kind of codes embedded in that film which were among the first signals for many that portended the Shift was beginning.

Thank you for clearing up misconceptions about Otherkind.
I happened to cross paths with a young man just yesterday who looked Otherkind and we made eye contact.
There was a deeper recognition on my part than I would have previously been capable of, and there was an answering *almost* nod from him.

I want to share about something that happened last night.
I was at my monthly women's group meeting, and one of the members, a lesbian/crone and former nun who is now very into the Goddess, who lives alone on a little spread outside of town on the banks of a river, raises a lot of her own food, is largely a live foods vegan and has more energy and joy in living than most women half her age, told us a lovely story about how she has been connecting with nature spirits.
We have been experiencing much less rainfall in this region of NW Arkansas than is normal, and it's becoming a concern--wells are drying up and even the river is getting very low.
There have been quite a few rainclouds passing over, and raining all around us, but not here.
She is familiar with the animal totems and what they represent, and Frog is one that is connected with rain and water.
There are many frogs where she lives, and she has been putting small glass aquariums of water decorated with pretty rocks and little plants outside for the frogs, so they can come and rest in them and stay cool and wet, even near her house.
Sometimes she goes outside in the evening and calls the frogs, and she says that one fat little frog always comes when she does this, and sits in front of her and looks directly up at her.
And each time she has done this, it has rained.
:frog:

There are different wells within us.
Some fill with each good rain,
Others are far, far too deep
For that.”
― Hafez, The Divan

onawah

15th June 2012, 15:29

Songs wrote re between life experiences in post #3584:

That is a vision that has no connection to one's sui generis- if you are deeply engaged with your own evolution and the process of that in co-creation with other Beings, what tiredness and disappointment is there to detox from? Only those not deeply connected to their passions and expression end up tired and disappointed. I don't have any resonance whatsoever with this expression of how energy works, so I accept your experience of the way this works for you.

Being in a physical body on this planet can certainly be a tiring process if one lasts long enough in one to reach old age, and I think people usually have some regrets about how things have gone for them in a lifetime, or how things have been going on the planet in general.
(Of course, the word "people" in this thread means something apart from the normal meaning, as does the word "human". )
I don't know how it works for me specifically, as I have no recall of between-life experiences, though I do have fairly detailed information about some of my past lives.
As I've said, I have only a limited number of direct experiences of the kind you describe as common to you from which to draw, and the rest comes from a lot of reading and a process of using discernment to distinguish what rings true from what rings false in what I read and observe in life.
But I think it's probably safe to say that the above has been the case for most humans on this planet, though not all, fortunately.
I accept that it may be a very different experience for Otherkind, Starkind, etc.
As near as I can determine, I am a hybrid, perhaps an Anun, who has been incarnating into human bodies here for quite some time, and I think on deep levels, I identify much more with Starkind and Otherkind than I do with human, but I have compassion for humans, and the part of me that identifies with humans, though that is obviously the part of me that is most in need of evolving.
I can't speak for anyone else here on the Pub, and though I appreciate the limitations of such groupings and classifications in the face of sui generis, it helps me to have some kind of context at least from which to refer during the discussions on the Pub about these subjects, and helps very much in understanding your perspective more.

Thanks again for chatting! :wave:
It's been most instructive!

onawah

15th June 2012, 15:32

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Possibly we lose ourselves only so that we may be found...

“I caught the happy virus last night
When I was out singing beneath the stars.
It is remarkably contagious -
So kiss me.”
― Hafez, The Subject Tonight Is Love: 60 Wild and Sweet Poems of Hafiz
update:
I remembered after sharing about the eye contact I had the other day with a young man who had the stamp of Otherkind, that I had a similar experience at that same location in town perhaps a year or so ago.
I had deep eye contact with a woman I had never seen before, and it was very confusing.
The way her avatar registered on my being was one of a normal, if very energetic human woman, but the being that was making contact with me (and the feeling was that she was initiating contact) did not match the avatar at all.
The energy field around her felt like StarKind, but I had no previous context for such a meeting in a public place like that.
I knew I wasn't imagining things, but I didn't know what it was I was experiencing.
But it just came to me now that she was probably a StarKind walk-in who had only recently come into her avatar and had not had time yet to change the energies of her host body.
Or perhaps she just wanted to remain unnoticeable except to people who were able to receive the StarKind signal.
Very strange things have been happening at the grocery store here in my little town! But I shouldn't be surprised, since UFO sightings and other such phenomena are common enough in the vortex energy that we enjoy here. :nod:

From post #3584
My quote:
Perhaps it will be useful for us to appreciate where we've been as much as where we are going, warts and all.
Songs:

Personally I don't use the past for much at all but triangulation. I let it go when I don't need it for anything, I'm not sentimental and I see it as loaded with virus so it only generally has limited use as a triangulation system for figuring out the sui generis in contrast.

Perhaps your feeling has to do with the fact that walk-ins do not undergo the memory erase that is still the rule for most humans when they are born into a human Earthling body.
It is generally said that this is because it would be too difficult to function here if we remembered all that we know and remember in the spaces in-between incarnations.
But it's also a generally held view by psychics, past life regressionists, etc. that a wiped memory is a difficult thing to live with, and is one of the reasons why the 3D Earth school is one of the hardest ones around.
Personally, the information I have managed to scrape together about past lives and real history (and Herstory) to be of great value in making this Earth experience richer and more meaningful.
Perhaps it's a bit like adopted children, most of whom are not comfortable with their perceived identifies until they know who their real parents were.

Mike

15th June 2012, 22:26

hey guys, i had to briefly come out of semi-posting retirement to share this clip with you. i went to the bank today and actually had negative 10 dollars(-$10.57 to be precise), and this clip sprung to mind. i had to share it with somebody and i thought of you guys immediately. if you're as broke as i am, i think you'll like it.

enjoy;)

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onawah

15th June 2012, 23:09

I know the feeling Chinaski, though at the moment, I am relatively "flush", since a friend decided to throw me a little lifeline and is going to employ me for a few hours each month helping her in her garden, with some free organic produce thrown in.
Bill paying time for me almost always feels like:
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Hoping you are soon feeling more like
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songsfortheotherkind

16th June 2012, 00:37

I think I may have been the one who referred you to the Wingmaker material.

No, it was someone else. I can find who in the history of the forum.

I believe I also mentioned at that time that Kerry Cassidy has permission from James to make a movie based on the Ancient Arrow Project.
(Though from all reports, she doesn't have the funds to work on such a project at this time.)

This information has enraged me to the point that I can't finish the reply I had intended. James has absolutely *nothing* to do with the Wingmakers information and is in fact busily perverting it to the heteronomy's agenda. The links that I posted were to the original material, not the perverted site that James has been creating. The thought of Kerry Cassidy getting hold of this information and disseminating the perverted and heteronomy serving version of the original material has temporarily made me distressed and sick in my body.

The virus agenda and it's willingness to destroy the signal sometimes smacks me in the face like a brick. I'm glad she doesn't have the funds. I hope she never does.

If the signal from the Wingmakers material could be embedded in a film, it could be along the lines of Kubrick's 2001 A Space Odyssey in terms of awakening many people.
There seemed to be some kind of codes embedded in that film which were among the first signals for many that portended the Shift was beginning.

This is what is greatly distressing me: the original material *is* heavily embedded with the evolution Consciousness signal, even though the words are different and there are other elements to it. This is why it would serve the heteronomy so much to have such a distortion out there. Ugh, ugh. It's such a revolting thought, like someone p*issing in the fountain of youth.

I need to go realign and connect with my blueprint source. Sometimes the machinations of the virus just gets to me.

onawah

16th June 2012, 02:23

Apologies for bringing that up, Songs.
But it's interesting to me that you are not the only person who thinks this.
I used to belong to the Wanttoknow forum some years ago, and the guy who started that, Fred Burks, is another person who says that the Wingmaker info has been changed and perverted from the original.
See:
http://www.wanttoknow.info/wingmakersorig/wingmakerschanges
There are links there for what Fred claims is the original Wingmakers webpages.

I saw a video interview of James and I did not like his energy AT ALL.
He reminded me of Louis Jourdan in an old movie version of Dracula, where Dracula (Jourdan) was not at all a tragic, romantic figure, but just a very bone-chilling, creepy one.
So you concur with Fred that James somehow got hold of the original site and is using it now for commercial purposes and other, darker agendas...
Of course, he denies that in the interview with Kerry.

And I have to say that Kerry was not at all the person I imagined making a film about the Wingmakers material, either.
I will have to go back and look at the original pages again. That may a good discernment exercise.

This information has enraged me to the point that I can't finish the reply I had intended. James has absolutely *nothing* to do with the Wingmakers information and is in fact busily perverting it to the heteronomy's agenda. The links that I posted were to the original material, not the perverted site that James has been creating. The thought of Kerry Cassidy getting hold of this information and disseminating the perverted and heteronomy serving version of the original material has temporarily made me distressed and sick in my body.

The virus agenda and it's willingness to destroy the signal sometimes smacks me in the face like a brick. I'm glad she doesn't have the funds. I hope she never does.

... the original material *is* heavily embedded with the evolution Consciousness signal, even though the words are different and there are other elements to it. This is why it would serve the heteronomy so much to have such a distortion out there. Ugh, ugh. It's such a revolting thought, like someone p*issing in the fountain of youth.

I need to go realign and connect with my blueprint source. Sometimes the machinations of the virus just gets to me.

songsfortheotherkind

16th June 2012, 02:29

Apologies for bringing that up, Songs.

:) There is absolutely no need to apologise- I take full responsibility for my experience at all times. :D

And besides, you aren't the one who is twisting the information. :P

onawah

16th June 2012, 02:50

I've found a few sci-fi/fantasy books on similar themes that I've read again and again and hung onto as long as I could.
Even though all I have is paperback copies and they are slowly moldering now, the cause of much sneezing if opened.
But one can buy such treasures on Amazon for just a few bucks, which is a kind of modern day miracle, in my view, and possibly read them on Kindle or whatever...
It's amazing how strongly books like this have affected me, and so I will honor them by naming them here:
One is called Wind Dancers by R.M. Meluch
Two by Geary Gravel: The Pathfinders, and The Alchemists
Superliminal, by Vonda McIntyre (actually, now that I've taken a better look at my bookshelf, and I think this is the one I was referring to in the earlier post, and I'm delighted to see I still have it.)
Two by H. Warner Mung: Merlin's Ring and Merlin's Godson
Three by Janet Morris: Dream Dancer, Cruiser Dreams, and Earth Dreams

Hi Onawah,

I don't think I know the book you're remembering, but it did make me think of another book, 'Neverness', and the trilogy that followed it. I actually get annoyed by those books, but I have to admit to myself that when I read them in my twenties, the first couple anyway, they influenced me heavily. In those books, there are people who elect to have themselves 'carked' into Neatherthal form, to live a simpler life. But that's just the beginning, a lot of interesting stuff happens thereafter.

And yes, that is quite some falsetto! Reminds me of Freddie Mercury's answer when questioned on how he could hit the high notes he did. "Pliers under the frock, darling."

songsfortheotherkind

16th June 2012, 06:55

the following post has been brought to you by this face:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6gEuV7G23f4/TxnAPU0HsiI/AAAAAAAAAGs/o_zlsGejm2k/s1600/Tom-baker-thinking.jpg

because it's time now to reveal my secret to the world, I really am a Time Lord and I live in a *very* spacious telephone booth.

But it's interesting to me that you are not the only person who thinks this. I used to belong to the Wanttoknow forum some years ago, and the guy who started that, Fred Burks, is another person who says that the Wingmaker info has been changed and perverted from the original. See:
http://www.wanttoknow.info/wingmakersorig/wingmakerschanges
There are links there for what Fred claims is the original Wingmakers webpages.

Yes, these are the links that I first posted when I mentioned it. This was also the material that was first shown to me and that I resonated with. I am aware of the heteronomy changes to the material; as soon as the heteronomy rears its head, there is the virus.

I saw a video interview of James and I did not like his energy AT ALL. He reminded me of Louis Jourdan in an old movie version of Dracula, where Dracula (Jourdan) was not at all a tragic, romantic figure, but just a very bone-chilling, creepy one. So you concur with Fred that James somehow got hold of the original site and is using it now for commercial purposes and other, darker agendas... Of course, he denies that in the interview with Kerry.

Well, of course, I can't see the agent leaping up to the stage and greeting the audience with 'HI! I'm Gerry Smith, and I'll be your virus agent for this evening! On tonight's agenda we have a spectacular menu of disinformation, some fabulous distortions- and let's give a big round of applause to our Agent Halliwell up the back there for these incredible efforts of brainfogging, ladies and gentlemen, there's been a huge effort and quite a few sleepless nights put into these distortions that I think can safely be called works of art- that's right, that's what I'm talking about- and believe me when I say I'm sure you'll be as excited as I am with this- later on this evening we're going to have a visit by a group that I can only describe as being too secret to mention, who'll be engaging you in a few hours of complete mindwiping, personality reassignment and neutralising! So sit back and enjoy our first offering for the evening, A Clockwork Orange, and don't forget to help yourself to the psychopharma Copacabana over in our world class buffet!'

It all gets a little Fear and Loathing, really. So I'm not expecting the heteronomy to leap up and enthusiastically endorse itself as being precisely what it is. The disinformation is going to leak into every aspect of the signal unless we're *all* triangulating with each other and checking the signal.

And I have to say that Kerry was not at all the person I imagined making a film about the Wingmakers material, either.

*extremely blank face* Uh, no, indeed.

songsfortheotherkind

16th June 2012, 09:09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK16_sWD2Xk&feature=related

The joys of short chicks with bleached hair makes me seriously consider lopping off the curls and going back to the pale purple spikes with the turquoise fringe.

I'm in the mood for more Cyndi Lauper. Get ready- it might be a perfect 80's storm in the Pub tonight. If I can find The Killers cover of Go All The Way that's going here too.

songsfortheotherkind

16th June 2012, 10:04

Being in a physical body on this planet can certainly be a tiring process if one lasts long enough in one to reach old age,

I honestly have not experienced this exclusive to old age (but what is old age? My nana is 87 and runs around with greater vigor than many half her age): I have experienced chronic exhaustion, pain and debilitation in this avatar. This continued until I figured out how the virus was being used to inhibit me: since getting the understanding of the accessing the blueprint and the code dissolving I've moved the bones in my chest to the degree where my osteo could only find a slight trace of something that has been a chronic problem for me since my mid twenties. I also went to my lung specialist this week and he steadfastly ignored the mystery of how my lung function could have radically improved from a condition that is, according to the specialists, irreversible. I am now working on the deeper issues to do with the Monsanto codes on my DNA and some other issues. I'm not handing over the pleasure of being in this avatar to the controllers.

and I think people usually have some regrets about how things have gone for them in a lifetime, or how things have been going on the planet in general.
(Of course, the word "people" in this thread means something apart from the normal meaning, as does the word "human". )

This is, as far as it works for me, a choice in perspective as to what is and isn't useful, or exhausting, or whatever. I find regrets useless unless I'm using them as a compass for how I'd like to do things differently: giving my Self a hard time over things that I can do absolutely nothing about is a waste of energy, I've learned. Same regarding how things are going on the planet- if I'm doing everything I can to hold the evolution signal, then what happens is what happens. What point is there in feeling bad about things I can't do anything about? That's virus inspired programming designed to drain us of our creative energy and power. A complete waste of time, in my experience.

I don't know how it works for me specifically, as I have no recall of between-life experiences, though I do have fairly detailed information about some of my past lives.

My memory system isn't a stream, it's a jumble, and I don't pay much attention to it except to guide me through the sui generis: I use it to calibrate what works from what doesn't. I don't find memory to be that helpful as an emotional compass, because it's past and I'm constantly evolving into an ever more complex and fluid Being. I distill the memories down into principles or notes within the frequency I carry, so that I can close my eyes and hold my hands above the information, stream what works in the moment out of the signal and go with that. The rest is noisy baggage: either the energy is alive in the moment for me, something I'm working with, or it isn't. It's like engaging in writing something while you're really thinking about painting. Creative energy is about immersion and focus, intention and engagement- being dragged out of that focus by memories asking if you can remember where they left their socks is counterproductive, in terms of my Life art anyway.

I much prefer to create Me as I go along- sure, the past has some relevance, but I don't need to focus on it: I've found this society's fascination for constantly looking over their shoulders to be in part an indication that they can't learn from their own mistakes, no matter how many times they make them. I much prefer to distill the lesson, embody it, evolve from it and not have to think about it again, so I can think of something new and interesting instead. :)

I accept that it may be a very different experience for Otherkind, Starkind, etc.

I can say it is for the ones that I know- the sheer joy of energy that isn't hopelessly entangled in noise is sublime. It's exquisite to spend most of the interactions talking about the creative possibilities of *now* and what can be engaged in, rather than past. Some Otherkind make a point of dumping their memory system after distilling the lessons because they find it gets in the way of truly interesting things.

As near as I can determine, I am a hybrid, perhaps an Anun, who has been incarnating into human bodies here for quite some time, and I think on deep levels, I identify much more with Starkind and Otherkind than I do with human,

what is your personal experience of Anun? I have two Anun incarnate hybrid partners and an Anun/Otherkind hybrid disincarnate partner; my incarnate partners both have the Fallen element (which is, again, nothing like the contorted mythologies here) and I have an Anun/Starkind hybrid son, so I'm curious about your experience.

but I have compassion for humans,

I do not understand the concept of compassion. It's not a word I ever use, so what is it to you?

I can't speak for anyone else here on the Pub, and though I appreciate the limitations of such groupings and classifications in the face of sui generis, it helps me to have some kind of context at least from which to refer during the discussions on the Pub about these subjects, and helps very much in understanding your perspective more.

Which is why I don't reject the use of the language, even though it's not in the sui generis language I'm seeking. :)

Thanks again for chatting! :wave:

:)

songsfortheotherkind

16th June 2012, 10:36

Obviously, having been in many incarnations on this planet for a long time, my perspective has evolved in a very different way.

/headtilt/ Uh, I've been incarnating here for eons: the Otherkind (encompassing all the Beings) were here way before the humans. So mm, I'm not sure how you equate the long incarnation with the different evolution.

For other hybrids or Starseed (or whatever) who might read this thread, perhaps the above clarification will also be useful.

One of the reasons I decided to put my Self in the public is because I'm hoping to run into another Being that remembers what I do; I've already run into one, but not on this forum. I'm actually hoping there will be more, because it was stunning meeting another Being with whom I could talk about the anunnaki histories with the same memories and perspectives as me. She also knows other Beings that I'm hoping to meet when I go to the States, but I'm not prepared to talk about them publicly.

I happened to cross paths with a young man just yesterday who looked Otherkind and we made eye contact.
There was a deeper recognition on my part than I would have previously been capable of, and there was an answering *almost* nod from him.

I love these encounters! I can remember a doof (which is a gathering where lots of trance and techno music is played, where the many uses of glo sticks and toys are employed (no, Calz, not *those* kind of glo toys- well, at least not in public) that I was at where I was bouncing through the crowd in my typical gothic/candy raver outfit when I spied a Being in a fox mask approaching with that gliding walk so many Anun/Other hybrids have. He utterly swam in Otherkind signal and we locked eyes with each other as we got closer, just utterly connected to the mutual signal. As we passed each other I could tell his eyes were smiling and our heads turned to let each other know 'I see you, there!' and we both went dancing off in our separate directions. I didn't see again. I have had quite a few of these encounters, since from about the age of 7, including one at the age of about 10 when a young man of about 17 was standing there with a slightly puzzled look on his face while he tried to figure out why on earth he'd was being pulled into the signal of what appeared to be a child. As soon as I spoke the puzzlement cleared from his eyes and we spent 10 minutes locked in on each other, talking in a half language that had his friends looking at him as if he'd just sprouted a second head. We watched each other until it was no longer possible when he was leaving.

I'm like that though- anyone with any of the Otherkind/Anun/Fallen signal and immediately the lock on happens. I find the Anun/Fallen combination yum on a stick *and* they find my sexual signal overwhelming, so I tend to accept that the Beings that really work for me physically have pointier ears, some Pan energy in their signal and more fang in their smile. *laughing* The female signal is frequently able to be much more fluid, although I do tend to have more yang energy in that dynamic.

I want to share about something that happened last night.
I was at my monthly women's group meeting, and one of the members, a lesbian/crone and former nun who is now very into the Goddess, who lives alone on a little spread outside of town on the banks of a river, raises a lot of her own food, is largely a live foods vegan and has more energy and joy in living than most women half her age, told us a lovely story about how she has been connecting with nature spirits.
We have been experiencing much less rainfall in this region of NW Arkansas than is normal, and it's becoming a concern--wells are drying up and even the river is getting very low.
There have been quite a few rainclouds passing over, and raining all around us, but not here.
She is familiar with the animal totems and what they represent, and Frog is one that is connected with rain and water.
There are many frogs where she lives, and she has been putting small glass aquariums of water decorated with pretty rocks and little plants outside for the frogs, so they can come and rest in them and stay cool and wet, even near her house.
Sometimes she goes outside in the evening and calls the frogs, and she says that one fat little frog always comes when she does this, and sits in front of her and looks directly up at her.
And each time she has done this, it has rained.
:frog:

*smiling* This sharing is very very cool.

There are different wells within us.
Some fill with each good rain,
Others are far, far too deep
For that.”
― Hafez, The Divan [/QUOTE]

I love this too. :)

songsfortheotherkind

16th June 2012, 11:03

I had deep eye contact with a woman I had never seen before, and it was very confusing. The way her avatar registered on my being was one of a normal, if very energetic human woman, but the being that was making contact with me (and the feeling was that she was initiating contact) did not match the avatar at all. The energy field around her felt like StarKind, but I had no previous context for such a meeting in a public place like that. I knew I wasn't imagining things, but I didn't know what it was I was experiencing. But it just came to me now that she was probably a StarKind walk-in who had only recently come into her avatar and had not had time yet to change the energies of her host body. Or perhaps she just wanted to remain unnoticeable except to people who were able to receive the StarKind signal.

The ability to blur the avatar signal is something a lot of Other/Starkind here can do naturally. I'm constantly told that I look different day to day and that blur really shows up in photos. Borden is even better at the blurring than I am- you can have a spread of photos of him and *none* of them look like the same individual. I was truly impressed; personally I do the thing where individuals can't tell if they think I'm attractive or hideous and someone here in the Pub ran into that skill of mine just a little while ago. What I can suggest is that for some reason or another, she was running a distortion or glamour, and you picked it up: sometimes I do it to see if anyone has a clue what I'm doing. And I will openly confess, sometimes I do it just to mess with human's heads. I figure they're vomiting their signal all over the place, a little head bending is ok: this is utter rationalisation, I know, and I also offer that I no longer focus signal on individuals to the point where they'd be twitching and yanking on their clothing. My sister and I used to be in the same classroom in primary school: one of our favorite games was to lock onto the teacher and focus intention on them- her to get them to scratch their ear, me to get them to remove their tie, or some such. It was great fun. We learned early on that we could clear a room by running major alpha waves; this was really handy in the old days with the trains that had private little sections (like the trains in Sherlock Holmes films). I think the fastest we emptied one of those was only a couple of minutes, but she was in particularly fine form that night and kind of cheated by also being physically scary.

Now my stuff is limited to playing energetically over long distances and in the other realms. And doing the blur thing. And making it really difficult to be photographed. Oh, and-

Perhaps your feeling has to do with the fact that walk-ins do not undergo the memory erase that is still the rule for most humans when they are born into a human Earthling body.
It is generally said that this is because it would be too difficult to function here if we remembered all that we know and remember in the spaces in-between incarnations.

When I was dragged at high speed into this avatar, my memory system was scrambled like an egg. I cannot imagine how living with a clear memory system would make it too difficult to function here- this is utterly counter intuitive to me: how can it be at all useful to have no freaking clue what you are doing, or why, or what the heck is going on? How is doing things blind useful? This only works, imo, if one buys into the virus story of 'learning through pain evolves the individual', which is a crock that I've written about before.

But it's also a generally held view by psychics, past life regressionists, etc. that a wiped memory is a difficult thing to live with, and is one of the reasons why the 3D Earth school is one of the hardest ones around.

Which would indicate, perhaps, that something has majorly stuffed up here? I remember someone mentioning they'd seen something in one of those past life regressionists that someone had basically spoken about being an Otherkind and the writer had steadfastly refused to investigate it because it was outside the christian paradigm that they personally had. I laughed at that- of course the writer didn't want to know. Who wants to go upsetting their nice neat little stories about How Things Are?

Perhaps it's a bit like adopted children, most of whom are not comfortable with their perceived identifies until they know who their real parents were.

Depends on the individual, I guess- my partner cares not one iota about it, I wouldn't know my father if I fell over him, most of my kids feel the same way about their birth fathers. *shrugs* It's all about the individual sui generis, as I see it.

songsfortheotherkind

16th June 2012, 12:11

onawah

16th June 2012, 20:37

In post #3597, Songs wrote:

I do not understand the concept of compassion. It's not a word I ever use, so what is it to you?

Definition of compassion from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion:

Compassion is the virtue of empathy for the suffering of others. It is regarded as a fundamental part of human love, and a cornerstone of greater social interconnection and humanism —foundational to the highest principles in philosophy, society, and personhood.

Compassion is often regarded as emotional in nature, and there is an aspect of compassion which regards a quantitative dimension, such that individual's compassion is often given a property of "depth," "vigour," or "passion." The etymology of "compassion" is Latin, meaning "co-suffering." More virtuous than simple empathy, compassion commonly gives rise to an active desire to alleviate another's suffering. It is often, though not inevitably, the key component in what manifests in the social context as altruism. In ethical terms, the various expressions down the ages of the so-called Golden Rule embody by implication the principle of compassion: Do to others what you would have them do to you.[1]

I would say it is taking "do no harm" a step further, and doing what one can to prevent harm from coming to others, as well as alleviate suffering that is already present .
The urge to alleviate suffering in others must be wedded to wisdom and discernment so that the assistance rendered is also truly assisting and not hindering the other in their own evolution. It is not given in hopes of reward or recognition, but in resonance with the signal of the pattern of evolving Life.

I think at some point, one is able to just flow and create within that flow of the evolving Life signal without even thinking about having compassion, one just is compassion in action, and that doesn't necessarily have to involve direct interacting with others.
One embodies compassion, compassion for the Life signal that flows through all living, evolving beings, and so just by being, one brings through the blessings of compassionate energy for others on the planet, whether they are in proximity or not.
This is also part of what I consider to be what a skilledLightworker does.

In post #3597, Songs wrote:

what is your personal experience of Anun? I have two Anun incarnate hybrid partners and an Anun/Otherkind hybrid disincarnate partner; my incarnate partners both have the Fallen element (which is, again, nothing like the contorted mythologies here) and I have an Anun/Starkind hybrid son, so I'm curious about your experience.

I have PMed you with my response on that.
In post #3598, Songs wrote:

Uh, I've been incarnating here for eons: the Otherkind (encompassing all the Beings) were here way before the humans. So mm, I'm not sure how you equate the long incarnation with the different evolution.
Ah, my apologies. I remembered you saying that you had been here very, very long ago, but I did not realize that you have been incarnating here more recently as well.
So perhaps the difference in the way we perceive things has more to do with you being more OtherKind than I.
The way you experience things seems newer to the planet than most perspectives I have come across in many ways, so that is why I assumed you had not been here for a long time.

In post #3599 Songs wrote:

The ability to blur the avatar signal is something a lot of Other/Starkind here can do naturally. I'm constantly told that I look different day to day and that blur really shows up in photos. Borden is even better at the blurring than I am- you can have a spread of photos of him and *none* of them look like the same individual. I was truly impressed; personally I do the thing where individuals can't tell if they think I'm attractive or hideous and someone here in the Pub ran into that skill of mine just a little while ago.

My photos almost always come out blurry as well, and I often look like different individuals, but hardly ever the way I look when observed in person.
I had supposed that to be because my energy field has been compromised, but perhaps it's more than that.
Childhood photos usually came out fairly well, but once I became an adolescent, the "blur" became the rule.
I don't have any of those childhood photos anymore, but I have a photo of myself that was taken in the 70s with a Hasselblad camera that actually came out looking very much the way I looked at that time.
I'm trying to figure out how to put it in my Avalon album, but I am technically challenged, so someone is going to have to help me with that.
I've asked Paul, who has made some suggestions, and Calz, but he seems to be occupied elsewhere at the moment.
Is everybody else on vacation?

onawah

16th June 2012, 21:28

I shared a couple of experiences in post #82 in this thread:
Re: A Personal Encounter: Have you ever met someone you believe may not be human?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28884-A-Personal-Encounter-Have-you-ever-met-someone-you-believe-may-not-be-human&p=325785#post325785

Also, my NDE experience discussed here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31565-Angel-Spirit-Guide-Makes-Self-Known-in-Real-Life-Experience

RunningDeer

16th June 2012, 23:38

WhiteCrowBlackDeer demonstrating the yin and yang of Tai Chi. The form has flaws because of the limited space to demonstrate. Focus was more on staying where I placed the camera. No alterations were done except to delete beginning frames.

The speeds are in real time. http://www.pic4ever.com/images/SEVeyesC08_th.gif

I know, it sounds like excuses. Maybe so... http://www.pic4ever.com/images/orjnfq.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXilEnYGqfc

onawah

16th June 2012, 23:48

Beautiful, WCBD! Your moves are so graceful and smooth, and I would have thought that what we were seeing was in slower time.
I took some tai chi classes from a woman in her 60s once, and she did it in a flowing dance like you do, which I found to be so blissful.
It felt much more like yoga or belly dance to me than a martial art, and I loved it.
Thanks for sharing that!

RunningDeer

16th June 2012, 23:57

Thank you, Onawah,

I see Tai Chi as a moving meditation. There are over 100 moves to the form, many are repetitious by design. It was limiting the way it was demonstrated, but the idea on the internal juice that we all have is demonstrated. My pleasure to share it. Too, if people catch me in other dimensions, they'll know my energy signature.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

songsfortheotherkind

17th June 2012, 02:53

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/Temeca/Sexy%20Joker/wallpaper_heath_ledger_the_joker_41.jpg

http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq192/kittykat32897/jokergirl.jpg

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq347/laotojohn/61.png

This is how my sui generis is looking these days. How about yours?

Are you having fun yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7tQiDHSe5E

Sui generis is a wondrous thing when I step out of the way of all the noise.

Mad Hatter

17th June 2012, 03:16

Mad Hatter slaps on his impressed hat....

@ WCBD you are either a natural adept or have being doing that for a while, maybe both. It is a martial art and I for one would not like to be facing you if you where in a bad mood and holding blades of any kind. lol.

If I may be so bold however I did spot a 'tell' revealed in the quicker inflections indicating, to me at least, that these are still coming from a place of mind rather than knowing... the rest however was grace in motion.

PS Loved that sound track as well...

@ Songsy re compassion - I am fully cogent of the difficulties / barriers language can present when attempting to describe Sui Generis expression, as in how does one describe formless using form, but there is a useful tendancy in this space to use the word to differentiate between large sections of the bi pedal format beings to distinguish what are termed or commonly referred to as sociopaths.

Far be it for me in any way to tell you, of all people, how to think but IMNSHO the word seems to be used in this space as a derivative of the signal known as love. Thus I was curious as to your dismissal of it and the potential implications for the conversation to proceed surrounding that.

Of course if I have read that all wrong (highly likely) please forgive my intrusion on the flow....

songsfortheotherkind

17th June 2012, 08:02

In post #3597, Songs wrote:
[QUOTE]I do not understand the concept of compassion. It's not a word I ever use, so what is it to you?

Definition of compassion from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion:

Compassion is the virtue of empathy for the suffering of others. It is regarded as a fundamental part of human love, and a cornerstone of greater social interconnection and humanism —foundational to the highest principles in philosophy, society, and personhood.

Compassion is often regarded as emotional in nature, and there is an aspect of compassion which regards a quantitative dimension, such that individual's compassion is often given a property of "depth," "vigour," or "passion." The etymology of "compassion" is Latin, meaning "co-suffering." More virtuous than simple empathy, compassion commonly gives rise to an active desire to alleviate another's suffering. It is often, though not inevitably, the key component in what manifests in the social context as altruism. In ethical terms, the various expressions down the ages of the so-called Golden Rule embody by implication the principle of compassion: Do to others what you would have them do to you.[1]

*looks on blankly* I cannot begin to express how alien to the expression and practice of sui generis these concepts and words are. It boggles my brain that the entrapment these concepts contain are still so effective in the paradigm, given the toxicity of their roots: it doesn't *surprise* me they still work, it just boggles my brain that the sui generis is so invisible still.

'Do to others what you would have them do to you'- have you ever met a masochist?

I am going to make a post about this, rather than bury my perspective in a different place.

songsfortheotherkind

17th June 2012, 08:20

@ Songsy re compassion - I am fully cogent of the difficulties / barriers language can present when attempting to describe Sui Generis expression, as in how does one describe formless using form, but there is a useful tendancy in this space to use the word to differentiate between large sections of the bi pedal format beings to distinguish what are termed or commonly referred to as sociopaths.

*nodding* I agree entirely with your observation and distinction- my issue is with the embedded loading in the concepts of 'compassion' and 'love' that provide a convenient and fertile embryo life support for the sporing of the virus in more insidious places. That's the difficulty- I know what the majority *think* they're saying or seeing when they use these concepts but it's like the message of Prometheus- there is *really no idea* what they are bringing back on board.

I'm seeded with virus remedy, in a way, but it's the same old scenario- it isn't until the facehuggers are actually moving about under the skin and spawning in the insides of the new hosts, or springing out of the darkness with fully formed teeth dripping toxicity, that the majority will give a rat's about what the messenger has been trying to get across all along- you really really don't want to touch that thing, it's infected and you can't make it better or reform it with 'love and light', you can only let it die.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5fhK-Q-JpnY/TrhOAC4UbXI/AAAAAAAAAlQ/kwNpgvpxTcw/s640/predator+drawing.jpg

I am interested in the sui generis remedy to the virus. This means that understanding some very long held and precious concepts must be put down and left behind because they are just too embedded in the virus signal to risk bringing along, no matter how much the protestors howl. There IS going to be howling, I get that, and I'm not here to convince anyone of anything at all- I'm just going to put the signal out and let it fall where it may. To *me* there is no difference between the sociopath who cannot feel anything and the individual who is unaware that the 'love and compassion' concepts they're carrying are the smallpox infected blankets of continued toxicity.

IF a world free of inequality, corruption, domination and all the other so called 'lower vibration' ways of being is *truly* wanted, then the individuals who wish to bring this vision into being do well to first look at where their own corruption and infection could be lurking. It's what I do: I'm not content to get an idea and run with it *without* getting my virus hunter gear on and going and seeing what's going to try and eat me if I step into the territory. I have long said I was looking for other hackers to do this with: it's a different path and I'm not into tech support.

You are one observant Being and you have a grasp of fine distinction, which in this undertaking is massively useful. *extends a hand* I appreciate your presence. I could use the extra eyes and triangulation.

Far be it for me in any way to tell you, of all people, how to think but IMNSHO the word seems to be used in this space as a derivative of the signal known as love. Thus I was curious as to your dismissal of it and the potential implications for the conversation to proceed surrounding that.

Until a virus free translation of the word 'love' is being used, this too is corrupt. I have observed a degree of singularity used with this word that makes it astonishingly fertile as a virus spreader. It is clumsy and contorted.

Of course if I have read that all wrong (highly likely) please forgive my intrusion on the flow....

*grins at you*

songsfortheotherkind

17th June 2012, 09:09

WhiteCrowBlackDeer demonstrating the yin and yang of Tai Chi. The form has flaws because of the limited space to demonstrate. Focus was more on staying where I placed the camera. No alterations were done except to delete beginning frames.

The speeds are in real time.

Thank you so, so much for posting this. I will know your energetic signature anywhere. So beautiful and so strong.

I understand that signal. :) Until I saw this, I didn't realise how much of a virus hunter you are your Self. Same intention, different methods and focus.

I see you there.

RunningDeer

17th June 2012, 09:22

WhiteCrowBlackDeer demonstrating the yin and yang of Tai Chi. The form has flaws because of the limited space to demonstrate. Focus was more on staying where I placed the camera. No alterations were done except to delete beginning frames.

The speeds are in real time.

Thank you so, so much for posting this. I will know your energetic signature anywhere. So beautiful and so strong.

I understand that signal. :)

Thank you, Songs.

"I will know your energetic signature anywhere."
Cool, and that's good to know for July 21st - July 23rd. I'll be 'around'; like I feel you are 'around,' too. http://www.pic4ever.com/images/computer3.gif

onawah

17th June 2012, 16:11

If I saw that critter with the glowing eyes looking at me and I had a weapon in my hand, I would blow it to bits too!
However, for the sake of the discussion, when it comes to a person who is a masochist, and there are plenty of those around, I would just say that a being committed to coming from a truly compassionate space, also a space that is cognizant of the difference between the signals of evolving Life and ignorance/Death, would see beneath the perversions of a masochist to what was still integral in that person (assuming there was such), that which desired to be healed and released from the perversion, and would communicate support and compassion to that aspect, and would not give energy to the perversion.
If the other being has chosen annihilation over Life, the one coming from a compassionate perspective would be not to interfere with that, in respect of free will choices.
Although there are metaphorical stories about Bodhisattvas whose compassion was so strong that they were able to help liberate and win over even the hearts of those possessed by demons, though not through any effort to "convert" or convince, but by the powerful energy signal of compassion.

I am reminded of the age-old differences in views between the two major schools of Buddhism, the Mahayana and the Theraveda.
Both chart the way of life which the Buddha exemplified, but one, the Mahayana, embraces the willingness to take the time to help others along the way through compassion, generosity and kindness.
The Theraveda is more concerned with one's own path and taking the most direct route to achieving the desired state of inner peace, bliss, etc.
In my view, neither are wrong, and both can have much to teach each other.

MadHatter wrote:
I am fully cogent of the difficulties / barriers language can present when attempting to describe Sui Generis expression, as in how does one describe formless using form, but there is a useful tendancy in this space to use the word to differentiate between large sections of the bi pedal format beings to distinguish what are termed or commonly referred to as sociopaths.

In post #3597, Songs wrote:
[QUOTE]I do not understand the concept of compassion. It's not a word I ever use, so what is it to you?

Definition of compassion from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion:

Compassion is the virtue of empathy for the suffering of others. It is regarded as a fundamental part of human love, and a cornerstone of greater social interconnection and humanism —foundational to the highest principles in philosophy, society, and personhood.

Compassion is often regarded as emotional in nature, and there is an aspect of compassion which regards a quantitative dimension, such that individual's compassion is often given a property of "depth," "vigour," or "passion." The etymology of "compassion" is Latin, meaning "co-suffering." More virtuous than simple empathy, compassion commonly gives rise to an active desire to alleviate another's suffering. It is often, though not inevitably, the key component in what manifests in the social context as altruism. In ethical terms, the various expressions down the ages of the so-called Golden Rule embody by implication the principle of compassion: Do to others what you would have them do to you.[1]

*looks on blankly* I cannot begin to express how alien to the expression and practice of sui generis these concepts and words are. It boggles my brain that the entrapment these concepts contain are still so effective in the paradigm, given the toxicity of their roots: it doesn't *surprise* me they still work, it just boggles my brain that the sui generis is so invisible still.

'Do to others what you would have them do to you'- have you ever met a masochist?

I am going to make a post about this, rather than bury my perspective in a different place.

songsfortheotherkind

18th June 2012, 01:59

Ok, I have triangulated some interesting signal from within the conversations with you, onawah and this is a Good Thing from my personal perspective. I do appreciate your willingness to put up with my hacking the virus via your writing because you're giving me perspectives I don't normally look at. My hacking is in no way personal, it's aimed at the virus signal, which it almost always is with me. Sometimes I temporarily cock up when I get entangled in the virus *within me* and I then get my way out of it again, look at it while I'm readjusting my nose, grin at it, say 'I see what you did, there- thanks!' and absorb the evolution.

I have running about to do today, and then I shall be back and working on expressing what I've seen. In the end, onawah, it's utterly *not* about what I think, it's about what works for you in every dimension of your Being. I'm just sitting here doing my Art- others can do with that what they like, but that's not my concern, my Art is my concern. I appreciate your posting because it helps me triangulate my *own* thinking/experience as well as learning your own. I'm not refuting, I'm triangulating *me* - that's a big distinction and an important one. :)

I don't experience conflict.

songsfortheotherkind

18th June 2012, 08:29

hmm, sometimes, lately, my sharing on this thread feels like one of these.

http://cdn.psfk.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/MINI-Peep-Show-Roadster-3-525x349.jpg?fedaf9

what is the waiting for, I wonder?

Borden

18th June 2012, 08:39

songsfortheotherkind

18th June 2012, 08:44

Right, don't worry, everybody ... I'm here ...

http://www.uncleodiescollectibles.com/img_lib/Adam%20West%20384%205-28-6.jpg

Someone said the Joker had been spotted around this thread ...

Ooh, a sex show!

Hmm, 1960's Batman, eh- the show is currently sans pouting young men, but I *could* arrange something at short notice...

ahh! here we go! don't say I don't do anything for you. *smiles sweetly* What a wonderful Hostess with the Mostess I am.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnx2jl5FDQ1qbujox.jpg

songsfortheotherkind

18th June 2012, 08:47

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/9/28/128670959220563511.jpg

http://geeksincebirth.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/jokerharleyswap.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HiCZQ0Smti8/TeNbnrcHMeI/AAAAAAAAD1E/UjTPsBhlmO0/s1600/nude-joker-costume-play-female.jpg

just to up the game, here. :D

Borden

18th June 2012, 08:50

Batman wants his money back for that show

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111223015212/batman/images/c/cd/The-Dark-Knight_2e2de2a7.jpg

Mind you, Robin's shorts are all right I s'pose ... what the hell.

songsfortheotherkind

18th June 2012, 08:53

Batman wants his money back for that show

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111223015212/batman/images/c/cd/The-Dark-Knight_2e2de2a7.jpg

That's not Batman- Batman is the guy *in* the suit. That's his angsty sidekick, Bruce Pain.

Technically, those aren't Robin's shorts, they're his underpants. Apparently there is a real clothing shortage in the superhero business- or else they're all just kinky.

Hmm. Now I think about the majority of the costumes, I'm going for the latter. This makes far more sense with Batman, now.

songsfortheotherkind

18th June 2012, 09:07

http://superdickery.com/images/stories/seduction/batmanbatter.jpg

I've heard it called many things, but 'Batman batter' is new to me.

http://superdickery.com/images/stories/oneshot/smartbombstudios-justice.jpg

and just to get the point across -

http://superdickery.com/images/stories/oneshot/batman01.jpg
http://superdickery.com/images/stories/oneshot/batman02.jpg
http://superdickery.com/images/stories/oneshot/batman03.jpg
http://superdickery.com/images/stories/oneshot/batman04.jpg
http://superdickery.com/images/stories/oneshot/batman05.jpg
http://superdickery.com/images/stories/oneshot/batman06.jpg
http://superdickery.com/images/stories/oneshot/batman07.jpg

There now! That's sure lifted the tone of things right up the frequency. :D If that's what you'd like to call it...

Borden

18th June 2012, 09:15

You've given Batman a lot to think about ...

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120113035045/batman/images/c/cf/The-Dark-Knight_515ab85f.jpg

songsfortheotherkind

18th June 2012, 09:16

You've given Batman a lot to think about ...

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120113035045/batman/images/c/cf/The-Dark-Knight_515ab85f.jpg

Next up: Batman begins to consider that it is indeed Joker that is his true soulmate.

Borden

18th June 2012, 10:29

Maybe ... but how do I break it to Robin?

songsfortheotherkind

18th June 2012, 10:43

In post #3598, Songs wrote:

Uh, I've been incarnating here for eons: the Otherkind (encompassing all the Beings) were here way before the humans. So mm, I'm not sure how you equate the long incarnation with the different evolution.

Ah, my apologies. I remembered you saying that you had been here very, very long ago, but I did not realize that you have been incarnating here more recently as well.

Ok. Now that's cleared up. :)

Just to be clear, the Other/Starkind never left. We have been incarnating here ever since the anunnaki mess, with the purpose and intention of assisting those anunnaki (the ones who became the Anun) and whatever homo sapiens that could respond to the Otherkind and Starkind genetics that were added to the mix, at first without the knowing what it would do and then later intentionally, with the express purpose of giving the homo sapiens the best opportunity possible TO evolve, given their beginning.

We've decided this isn't going terribly well, so we're going to go do something else instead.

So perhaps the difference in the way we perceive things has more to do with you being more OtherKind than I.

I am not so sure about that- how I think and perceive things seems to be different from the majority of Beings I come across. Sui generis isn't a language that even those who identify as Otherkind seem to be familiar with: perhaps I come from a different universe version of this history completely. :P

The way you experience things seems newer to the planet than most perspectives I have come across in many ways, so that is why I assumed you had not been here for a long time.

This was the sentence that really intrigued me. I don't understand how, by speaking an ancient language that is so far from the virus that most can barely grasp the fundamentals of what I'm saying, let alone the really deep layer stuff that I long to get into, I am demonstrating an experience that 'seems newer to the planet'. How do you perceive this? I'm not having a go at you, I'm curious to discover how it is that I'm experienced in that way. I'm triangulating the sui generis language as it needs to be framed and spoken here in this paradigm so that it carries the signal in its strongest form possible, which is why this conversation helps. I'm not necessarily interested in making it simpler or more 'user friendly', I've got my own focus, and the conversation does help.

Curt

18th June 2012, 14:10

;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaBMjvOsfQ0

Mad Hatter

18th June 2012, 15:47

triangulating the sui generis language as it needs to be framed and spoken here in this paradigm so that it carries the signal in its strongest form possible

Tricky... sort of pre-supposes denizens of this paradigm have an understanding / abilty of living in the constant now...

ROFLMAO @ Dickman & Throbin :p

songsfortheotherkind

18th June 2012, 16:06

;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaBMjvOsfQ0

That is utterly gorgeous- and I'm hoping for a better outcome this time around. There are better ways of Being with fire...

songsfortheotherkind

18th June 2012, 16:19

Tricky... sort of pre-supposes denizens of this paradigm have an understanding / abilty of living in the constant now...

I'm not looking for a lot, a small but enthusiastic rabble is enough, methinks, which is possible given the right sort of hacking and signal. It's a big world! And a small rabble! The odds are in our favour, despite how things look atm. :D

ROFLMAO @ Dickman & Throbin :p

superdickery.com is definitely full of win.

RunningDeer

18th June 2012, 21:38

Have you seen this adorable guy? Please call.
1-800-626-2583 or 1-800-man-blue

:wave:

Dennis Leahy

18th June 2012, 21:40

Ya know, we look up in the sky and wonder...

...but dive into the ocean and find some of the most awesome critters anywhere.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2137/2281029184_c83a8e98b4_b.jpg
Iconaster longimanus

Dennis

songsfortheotherkind

18th June 2012, 21:49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh8Hp_CChdo

This cracks me up.

from this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46461-So-how-much-transformation-is-actually-wanted-really

songsfortheotherkind

18th June 2012, 23:51

http://www.naderlibrary.com/ahitchiker412b_small.jpg

So many uses! Technology is such a wonderful thing. :D

songsfortheotherkind

18th June 2012, 23:58

http://www.baedonwebz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/ChurchHolySporkBanner.png

because as I've just been reminded, everyone needs a Spork now and then. :D

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TV4TJ4u4nc8/T2C93agaAAI/AAAAAAAAAds/bir6WyYhVyc/s1600/spock%2Bspork.bmp

onawah

19th June 2012, 00:32

We need to invite this guy to the Pub.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh8Hp_CChdo

This cracks me up.

from this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46461-So-how-much-transformation-is-actually-wanted-really

onawah

19th June 2012, 00:36

That's real? That looks way too real to be real....

Ya know, we look up in the sky and wonder...

...but dive into the ocean and find some of the most awesome critters anywhere.

Dennis

onawah

19th June 2012, 00:55

I'm glad that I am providing some material for the threshing floor.
When I take it personally is when I can do my own readjusting and then thumb my nose at such silliness.
Old victim pictures especially come up for release, and some of those go very deep and need a lot of releasing.
A lot of the dancing around words and terminology I think just has to do with triggers that certain words and terms can activate, such as "Buddhism"--which incorporates a lot of heteronomous virus, but also, at the heart of it, some profoundly distilled wisdom which can be utilized without having to buy into the whole virus laden package.
But that requires specificity to make those differences clear..
It's very good practice for me in learning to express myself more clearly, and taking a second and sometimes third and fourth look at what I've written and wonder if I really think that... and is that really my experience, or did I just accept it on faith as being true...

In the end, onawah, it's utterly *not* about what I think, it's about what works for you in every dimension of your Being.
Agreed, and yet, when rubbing up against other perspectives, adding to the store of what works for me can and does occur, and that can help release parts of myself that have been under lock and key, or perhaps haven't even been born yet.
Definitely a Good Thing!
:nod:

Ok, I have triangulated some interesting signal from within the conversations with you, onawah and this is a Good Thing from my personal perspective. I do appreciate your willingness to put up with my hacking the virus via your writing because you're giving me perspectives I don't normally look at. My hacking is in no way personal, it's aimed at the virus signal, which it almost always is with me. Sometimes I temporarily cock up when I get entangled in the virus *within me* and I then get my way out of it again, look at it while I'm readjusting my nose, grin at it, say 'I see what you did, there- thanks!' and absorb the evolution.

I have running about to do today, and then I shall be back and working on expressing what I've seen. In the end, onawah, it's utterly *not* about what I think, it's about what works for you in every dimension of your Being. I'm just sitting here doing my Art- others can do with that what they like, but that's not my concern, my Art is my concern. I appreciate your posting because it helps me triangulate my *own* thinking/experience as well as learning your own. I'm not refuting, I'm triangulating *me* - that's a big distinction and an important one. :)

I don't experience conflict.

onawah

19th June 2012, 01:22

Just to be clear, the Other/Starkind never left. We have been incarnating here ever since the anunnaki mess, with the purpose and intention of assisting those anunnaki (the ones who became the Anun) and whatever homo sapiens that could respond to the Otherkind and Starkind genetics that were added to the mix, at first without the knowing what it would do and then later intentionally, with the express purpose of giving the homo sapiens the best opportunity possible TO evolve, given their beginning.

We've decided this isn't going terribly well, so we're going to go do something else instead.

Can you tell us something about the new plan? This is all so interesting to me! I hope you get this stuff into your movie or book or whatever you are creating (other than this forum,, though here too, please, as much as you are able--I know I've requested this before...)

Songs

how I think and perceive things seems to be different from the majority of Beings I come across. Sui generis isn't a language that even those who identify as Otherkind seem to be familiar with: perhaps I come from a different universe version of this history completely. :P

Onawah
The way you experience things seems newer to the planet than most perspectives I have come across in many ways, so that is why I assumed you had not been here for a long time.

This was the sentence that really intrigued me. I don't understand how, by speaking an ancient language that is so far from the virus that most can barely grasp the fundamentals of what I'm saying, let alone the really deep layer stuff that I long to get into, I am demonstrating an experience that 'seems newer to the planet'. How do you perceive this? I'm not having a go at you, I'm curious to discover how it is that I'm experienced in that way. I'm triangulating the sui generis language as it needs to be framed and spoken here in this paradigm so that it carries the signal in its strongest form possible, which is why this conversation helps. I'm not necessarily interested in making it simpler or more 'user friendly', I've got my own focus, and the conversation does help.

Perhaps its the way that you have wedded so many perspectives into one that I find unusual. The Goth/Punk thing, the OtherKind thing, the sui generis thing, the feminine perspective which sees and calls the patriarchy out for just what it is, the playfulness wedded to the seriousness, and so on....
The wisdom is certainly ancient and deep, but when it comes with the package that you present it in, seems fresh and new.
It's more the kind of thing that I have been expecting the "New Kids"-Crystal Kids, Starkids, Rainbow Kids, etc. will be communicating and demonstrating to us as they come more into their own, and continue innovating the New Paradigm into existence.
(Though with their own stamp/style, of course. )
Though not all of them are from "elsewhere" either; some of them have been here a long time too, but they are, reportedly, getting DNA upgrades and perhaps also catching the new signals by osmosis from the kids who are coming here fresh from the stars.

And it's partly just because you are so open and "out there" with it all, very assertively so, in a way that is still fairly unusual among women even in the fields of interest such as we (generally) explore on the Forum (although that varies from month to month, year to year).
Because I think Avalon is an important forum, it's significant that you're doing it here; it's taking a bigger risk and it's more in the face of the virus, since it's happening here.
You aren't playing the game of compartmentalization either , dividing your fields of inquiry and interest into separate tidy categories, you are being yourself, your whole self, and that's takes courage
I think the 'medium is the message', in that your signal is so strong partly because of that.
You refuse to let anything water it down, and that is very contagious and inspiring.
Thanks for doing that!!!

Hopefully without putting too fine a point on it, I also think it's good you have started the other thread apart from the arena of the Pub, which hopefully will bring more people into the discussion (and that appears to be happening).

songsfortheotherkind

19th June 2012, 04:52

Perhaps its the way that you have wedded so many perspectives into one that I find unusual. The Goth/Punk thing, the OtherKind thing, the sui generis thing, the feminine perspective which sees and calls the patriarchy out for just what it is, the playfulness wedded to the seriousness, and so on.... The wisdom is certainly ancient and deep, but when it comes with the package that you present it in, seems fresh and new.

What can I say? Interdimensional Creator (which is sometimes a euphemism for True Pain in the Arse) and Loki's sometimes girlfriend, that's me. :D All those elements you mention are some of the colors in my palette- who wants to create art with one color? Not meeeeee.

Perhaps chat to a Goth next time you see one. :D

It's more the kind of thing that I have been expecting the "New Kids"-Crystal Kids, Starkids, Rainbow Kids, etc. will be communicating and demonstrating to us as they come more into their own, and continue innovating the New Paradigm into existence. (Though with their own stamp/style, of course. )

Yeah, like the Indigos were expected to save the world before it was discovered we had sub-zero interest in doing so. Unsurprisingly, the 'new kids' share that disinclination. Smart cookies, they are.

And it's partly just because you are so open and "out there" with it all, very assertively so, in a way that is still fairly unusual among women even in the fields of interest such as we (generally) explore on the Forum (although that varies from month to month, year to year).

*points to horns* These can be really helpful. You might consider playing around with them at some point. They change the perspective mightily.

Because I think Avalon is an important forum, it's significant that you're doing it here; it's taking a bigger risk and it's more in the face of the virus, since it's happening here.
You aren't playing the game of compartmentalization either , dividing your fields of inquiry and interest into separate tidy categories, you are being yourself, your whole self, and that's takes courage
I think the 'medium is the message', in that your signal is so strong partly because of that. You refuse to let anything water it down, and that is very contagious and inspiring. Thanks for doing that!!!

I don't understand watering down or compartmentalisation as useful tools for my particular areas of interest (evolution) so that helps. Cheers to the thanks- it makes me grin to think I'm being thanked for being what others experience as infuriatingly focused (which is 'bloody minded', 'stubborn beyond measure' and 'obstinate, unco-operative, doesn't play well with others' and a host more quotes from my childhood report cards. *big cheesy grin*

Autonomy, the prickle filled underpants for the heteronomy since 1,000,000 BC.

songsfortheotherkind

20th June 2012, 07:38

*laughing*

insert tumbleweed here...

Curt

20th June 2012, 08:29

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIIuR-HjFho

songsfortheotherkind

20th June 2012, 11:56

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIIuR-HjFho

Ah, thanks! I knew they were around here somewhere- trust you to have them hidden about your personage. :P

songsfortheotherkind

20th June 2012, 12:06

Apparently today in Heteronomy World it's 'Feel free to tell Songs your subjective judgements about her' day, so I'm extending my offer to the heteronomy here, with more than a nod to my Punk rocker roots:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN5FXD4av4M

sometimes autonomy speaketh not in dulcet tones...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTL2n65JAGo

Where the confusion happens is that the collective thinks in terms of *battle*, when really there's no fight whatseover- the metaphor is for *boundaries*, not fighting the system. There is no fight: why would there be? Substance against fiction?

It just tickles me sometimes to turn and face the fiction, the heteronomy, let it know that I see it there and know what it is. I'm coming out of the shadows these days, because I have things to do.

Curt

20th June 2012, 12:09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYyoU8kKPQ

onawah

20th June 2012, 13:17

Songs wrote:
Apparently today in Heteronomy World it's 'Feel free to tell Songs your subjective judgements about her' day
I hope you are ready for the possibility of more days like that. I've learned to use the "Ignore" option liberally when needed, when the digs aren't even worthy of notice.

:
*points to horns* These can be really helpful. You might consider playing around with them at some point. They change the perspective mightily.
Yes, they do. I have a pretty weathered pair, which I don't wear that often anymore unless absolutely necessary. I've grown to prefer the sneak attack...

Mad Hatter

20th June 2012, 14:04

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZS2-4-iUJ4&feature=fvwrel

Debra

20th June 2012, 14:51

:p

Loaded ..

Loving the hot *h* thread playing at the Forum.

I am between being a wus and tangling with a complicated private life at the moment. Renders me a bit of a mute of late. I can barely find what I want to say in real life at the moment let alone send my voice into here.

The heterynomy that is my world rips at my heart, sucks on my essence. I feel drained. I hope I can turn this around.

My kind ness is one moment acceptable and then it is walked on.

Oi, i just had to be honest with someone.

songsfortheotherkind

20th June 2012, 14:53

I hope you are ready for the possibility of more days like that.

lol- I have no agenda one way or the other, I'm currently exploring the making of connections, the co-creation between kindred Beings, the dance of firestarters and world makers and paradigm dissolvers, however that is shaped and expressed. The 'come and have a go' is my way of having fun with it all. :)

:
*points to horns* These can be really helpful. You might consider playing around with them at some point. They change the perspective mightily.

Yes, they do. I have a pretty weathered pair, which I don't wear that often anymore unless absolutely necessary. I've grown to prefer the sneak attack...

It's not attack with me: stealth is something I only do when I'm playing nerf wars or sudden pillow fights, although the pillows do get torn up on the horns. :D

mountain_jim

20th June 2012, 15:09

Hello Songs :)

If you find the time to watch/listen, I am still curious to hear your views of Terence when hearing him speak, either from his raps in this rave-format I posted links to or from other, more standard, interview sources, etc.

(copied from other thread)

While looking up for a different thread, I found these Terence McKenna quotes I thought perhaps relevant to this one. I met Terence, and his books (I have Food of the Gods, True Hallucinations), writings, and spoken word rants were worthwhile to me in many areas, including the autonomy of one's consciousness and inalienable right to experiment on same.

http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/9243.Terence_McKenna

You met him? Tell me, did he have the 'Other' signal buried in there? I absolutely love these expressions and my Being feasted on them for my energetic breakfast: thank you so much for sharing these, they make my energy dance. :)

His signals were pretty 'Other' to me :)

His speech mannerisms and cadences are different from anyone else I have heard - you really should seek out some recordings of him talking to get a feel for that.

I met him at his Magic Maui Weekend event, 2/25/-27, 1994, -

Raving In the Light of the Third Millennium - Language About the Unspeakable

I was on the island visiting a friend (free place to stay saves alot there) and attended the one day lecture when I saw it advertised in the local paper. I understand the folks there for the whole event tripped with Terence on the Beach on some still-legal substance, but not certain of that.

Here is a link to Alien Dreamtime, a multi-media event (3 Raves, 2 Interregnums - states Terence) with Terence speaking (DMT experience and other stuff) and music by SpaceTime Continuum, Stephen Kent on didgeridoo, a performance in San Fran 2/93, a video I bought, perhaps when I bought his other books he signed for me after the talk.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2395498051948678069#

(I ccould not get the vid using google tags to appear right - below is first 10 minutes of a youtube upload of same.

Ru0W3x9EEDM

There is a DMT rap in here somewhere:

And it occurred to me, that these must be holographic viral projections from a non-atomous continuum ...

songsfortheotherkind

20th June 2012, 15:52

I am between being a wus and tangling with a complicated private life at the moment. Renders me a bit of a mute of late. I can barely find what I want to say in real life at the moment let alone send my voice into here.

You're not wussy, woman. *hugs* You inspire me in many ways. I have missed you and noticing when you are watching from afar.

The heterynomy that is my world rips at my heart, sucks on my essence. I feel drained. I hope I can turn this around. My kind ness is one moment acceptable and then it is walked on.

My utter fed upness with the heteronomy of the world is partly at the heart of my inspiration to speak out. Another element is the inspiration of my vision. The venus transit has shaken so many to the core, so many have fallen out of the tree that I'm reminded of the line from Benny and Joon- "you're out of your tree" "it's not my tree". I feel like I am throwing out a signal, bright beads against the background of noise, where those who can see a different way of Being can connect together to explore a new language: that's *my* thing. Others have theirs, despite the best efforts of the heteronomy to suppress it: the signal is rising and connecting regardless of the obstacles. We are here, despite everything that has been thrown at us.

Oi, i just had to be honest with someone.

I'm really glad you thought here was the place to do it. *hugs*

onawah

20th June 2012, 16:14

Terrence McKenna's voice reminds me of Fred Rogers' of Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood, though they certainly lived in different neighborhoods! :lol:

songsfortheotherkind

20th June 2012, 16:35

Hello Songs :)

If you find the time to watch/listen, I am still curious to hear your views of Terence when hearing him speak, either from his raps in this rave-format I posted links to or from other, more standard, interview sources, etc.

Hey mountain_jim, I really want to talk about him with you, and it's 2:30am here. I'll see you in the morning. :)

mountain_jim

20th June 2012, 17:02

Yes, I tend to see your responses as I am taking one last look here, before shutting down and heading to my own dreamtime.

By then I am not much good for substance, plus it tends to re-awaken me and irritate my partner if I get too re-involved here at my late hour. :)

onawah

20th June 2012, 21:37

Here's another undersea wonder, if I can get it to embed.
If not, it's worth going to the link to take a look.
It's a sea slug that looks like a miniature dragon.
(Not sure how we got onto this subject...but it's a refreshing diversion....)
http://https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/428563_435590066459721_1488992771_n.jpg
https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/428563_435590066459721_1488992771_n.jpg

Ya know, we look up in the sky and wonder...

...but dive into the ocean and find some of the most awesome critters anywhere.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2137/2281029184_c83a8e98b4_b.jpg
Iconaster longimanus

Dennis

PurpleLama

20th June 2012, 22:48

https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/428563_435590066459721_1488992771_n.jpg

Cerridwen

21st June 2012, 00:11

https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/428563_435590066459721_1488992771_n.jpg

That little guy is just amazing. I want to pet him. :)

When I was little, about 4 years old I think, my dad had a big fish aquarium. When no adults were around, I would grab the fish net, scoop one or two out of the tank and plop them in my cubby little hand so I could 'pet' them. :luv: I knew they couldn't stay out of the water for very long, so I tried to gauge how long the poor little things could stand my loving attention. When they needed to go back in, I would very carefully place them back and grab another pretty fishy. I can only imagine how many ended up floating due to my 'kindness'. I do remember a few of them wiggling out of my hand and landing of the carpet, those got picked up quickly and tossed back in the water fast. Of course, those were the 'bad fish'. :rolleyes:

*Sigh. Sorry little guys, where ever you are.*

Borden

21st June 2012, 02:32

Wow, that little guy looks magic ... thanks Onawah and PL.

Cerridwen, I think that is deeply cute. That fascination we have with other creatures when we're little is so potent, I know. I think I still have it for cats.

Zebra, I've been wondering where you've been. I'm glad to see you, and I hope you're okay. If you're not posting at least I know you're still here, and here is somewhere your kindness is acceptable and won't be walked on. Have a Borden hug.

It's sad that Alekhan left, and I hope Calz returns soon.

songsfortheotherkind

21st June 2012, 12:36

A gorgeous, gorgeous solstice ceremony, with fire and love and releasing, as well as calling in of energy and a new life. My partner is quiet and introspective now, living into the space of this new child he has called in with my dear friend. I released the memory of my daughter, and called blessings down for a woman and a young man linked together in intimate ways; there was releasing and joy in the space.

I'm at peace with it all. There is the rebirth and the rising, now.

Cerridwen

21st June 2012, 12:47

songsfortheotherkind

21st June 2012, 13:38

I have been exploring the deep level work of dissolving the Monsanto codes on my biology and getting to some interesting places with it: I can see the constraints and constrictions emerging all over the place as I hold the frequency of my original blueprint, continually returning moment by moment to that space absolute, before any of the claims and codes were stamped on me. This has been having interesting side effects. I'll be back to talk about these when I'm not falling asleep at the keyboard.

*faceplant*

songsfortheotherkind

21st June 2012, 22:42

I have been deeply exploring the Monsanto codes lately, in exploration of some of the situations I mentioned in my reply to mountain_jim, the deep physical fear of death after personally experiencing it. I am profoundly curious regarding this experience of the exercising of some kind of external authority over my physical Being and this has been leading me into some interesting observations of other systems that are in operation.

Yesterday I was engaged in the exercise of deliberately keeping my lower chakras from blowing out. For those unfamiliar with what I'm talking about, this is what I've observed: the heteronomy cannot tolerate any autonomy. Heartspace (autonomy) in children is where they operate from, so one of the first things heteronomy does is to make it too painful and frightening for children to operate from heartspace. It uses its tried and true tactics to achieve this: humiliation, shaming, diminishing and trivialising of the other's perspective and experience, belittling, domination, fear, force; the child becomes frightened on a deep level and cuts off from its own heart centred knowing (which is the horrendous and death inducing process described in such brutal clarity in The Golden Compass books). As the heart is the intended space to engage and communicate from this leaves a conundrum for the Being- communication is still necessary, so where to communicate from? So the child looks to its society and to the external 'authority': how members of the paradigm engage with each other is a hideous extension of the lower three chakra energies.

Since I've observed this, it clicked into place for me a vital component of what was happening around others that I couldn't 'see' and was still being distressed by; I can sense and experience the extending tendrils from others that happen as soon as I engage them for any reason. I can see it energetically; it's like Neo waking up and seeing all the other pods, with their hooked in physical batteries, and his feeling the leads plugged into his own body. If I drop into my other sets of eyes I can actually 'see' it happening and it's surreal and ugly in the extreme. As an aside it's also helped explain why there is such an addiction to gluten and sugar, both being substances which assist in weakening these lower chakras by creating disturbances and diseases in the gut and organs. No wonder so many westerners are walking around with distended bellies- when one sees what snakes out of that area of their body to hook into one another, it makes sense.

I have been experimenting with moving through the matrix while keeping my lower chakra doors closed. Here's one of my first observations: it makes others really nervous and twitchy. I can move through spaces as though others simply are not there, because essentially they aren't; as soon as I close the lower chakra gates their signal goes really really muted, as if they become part of some kind of ghost world. At first I found it really disconcerting, because it felt like I'd just lost my ability to connect with them in any way, yet as I continued to expand and explore the signal I discovered that this wasn't quite what is happening: what's actually present is that I have dropped out of the space of the signal that is being exchanged and I am outside the feeding.

I have been amazed at the strength of the undertow I experience when I am holding this space. Literally everything around me when I'm out and about is designed to entice me into an engagement in the noise; I walk around observing in wonder the sheer effort and energy that goes into the creation of the distraction circus, every interaction and engagement acting like an energy surge for the feeding mechanisms, which vibrate and flicker in a way that is so repugnant that I fail to find the words to describe it. It's utterly outside the living and natural world.

I walk differently when I close the gates to my lower chakras; my gait becomes more of a fluid glide and I am naturally much more still around others. I've discussed with Borden before the strange twitchiness I've observed humans engaging in, the occurence of which was actually highlighted for me in a book about vampires; a vampire was educating a new vampire regarding being able to hide more easily around humans and the advice was 'move. You must train yourself to twitch and fidget occasionally, to move when movement is not necessary, because humans find stillness unnatural and disturbing.' I don't know if the native peoples find such stillness unnatural- from my reading they do, that stillness is one of the ways they mark a Being from the otherrealms. I find that keeping my lower chakra gates closed creates a stillness and connection to a 'beneath' signal that is really exquisite to engage with. I move through the spaces and noise in a really different way; for a start I can no longer hear the external noise of the shopping centres and individuals in them. Sitting here now recalling yesterday's time spent in the shopping mall this strikes me profoundly; normally I equate such places with a distressing amout of noise but my memories of yesterday are of time spent in physical and energetic silence. It's really intriguing: it *is* possible to move out of the signal. I recall moving through crowds where absolutely no eye contact of any kind was made despite my looking for it- the only ones that would look directly at me were babies and small children.

This exploration is giving me fascinating feedback regarding the autonomy signal; I have never had such clear experience of what it is like to be truly free of the external authority and constriction. This is an entirely different space and I am beginning to use it in my writing and interactions here in the forum; I'm seeing a vast difference between the energy I extend to those with whom I consciously choose to engage with more intimacy and those that I do not choose to extend this to, and this is despite my previous awareness of this energy. There are simply new avenues and experiences opening to me as a result of refusing to be fed on by any individual. This seems to bring certain agents into my sphere, which I experience as the squiddy function: wherever autonomy is discussed or the energy is held, the agents for the virus are going to head to the space with the purpose and intention of getting things back in their 'proper' place by any means necessary. I have experienced that a few times now; it's not important to me that others see it for what it is *to me*, it's up to me to figure out what I do about it, because I know what is wanted is for me to cave in and give my autonomy away again. Pfffffffffffffffffffft.

http://www.3dbuzz.com/vbforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=66376&stc=1&d=1222812751

I guess if the sentinels are showing up again I must be doing *something* to bug the system: the next useless thing would be to put too much energy into dissolving the sentinels. Huh. There's an interesting consideration: what does one do with the sentinels?

I wonder what the energy's equivalent of an EMP charge is- although, is that really the best way to do it? Hmmm...

songsfortheotherkind

21st June 2012, 23:23

Hello Songs :)

If you find the time to watch/listen, I am still curious to hear your views of Terence when hearing him speak, either from his raps in this rave-format I posted links to or from other, more standard, interview sources, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NQfnfr5eTY

I have only ever heard this man's voice before in psy-trance tracks. I realised upon hearing it that Shpongle are particularly fond of using his voice and comments in their tracks. I found this vid of him and was mesmerised by his signal and language, which in part sounds like how I talk when I don't bother modulating my speech to the level of the listener. His signal is profoundly interesting: do you know what I got when I was watching him? Remember how I have spoken about the insectoid species that are exquisite and different? He reminds me of the ones of that species that I have encountered; the absence of 'mammal' frequency in his signal is loud, to me, and the language also reminds me of the way they see the cosmos and Life. It is unusual to see the 'not mammal' energy so clearly. I wonder if he was fully downloading or walking in- he has the signature of a walk in, at least in this interview.

It also delights me utterly to have discovered another Being talking articulately about the increase in complexity and the 'fluid mind' concepts that I am immersed in. This in itself is a rich source of triangulation and holographic signal. I'm also always joyfully intrigued in the singularity Art of another- it's wonderful to encounter the workings of individuals who put the uniqueness of their perspective and experience into the signal rather than regurgitating nothing but what has already been.

Thank you! This Being is delightful, as are his explorations. :)

songsfortheotherkind

22nd June 2012, 00:49

In the willingness to suffer fools gladly is the accompanying experience of being constantly surrounded by said fools.

I am reminding my Self that I prefer the company of Fools, not fools. There is a massive and important distinction for me here. Time to get my fool aikiddo on.

And I'm just the Joker to do it.

http://th06.deviantart.net/fs51/PRE/i/2009/287/c/d/Joker_Girl_by_poisonpoison.jpg

:D

songsfortheotherkind

22nd June 2012, 00:53

Cookie Monster's dilemma:

http://i.qkme.me/3oowgq.jpg

onawah

22nd June 2012, 03:17

songsfortheotherkind

22nd June 2012, 05:49

When I was attending the Berkeley Psychic Institute classes in the San Francisco Bay Area, one of the things that was always insisted on as being essential for protection was to close the lower chakras down when interacting with others socially or when in a public place.

So, I stumbled across something that is known in other places? Interesting. Knowing that you know what I'm doing (even if the way that I'm doing it might be different to how others achieve the same goal), can you spot the toxicity going on when others are relating from those chakras? To me, once I saw it a few things clicked into place for me, one of them being the sexualisation of the culture which, given the natural energy of the lower chakras, makes sense.

Other helpful practices that were part of the training are to be aware of one's connection to cosmic energy coming in through the crown chakra, and earth energy coming in through the feet.

*nodding* I've spoken about that here before and it really does make a difference, it's something I've known how to do naturally since childhood. It makes a difference to the way I experience the world. It does make my energy jangle the collective, though.

I do a kind of energy medicine technique called Chakra Tuning, using tuning forks, that is based on ancient Tibetan methods of sound and frequency healing using bells.
When I "tune" myself, all those techniques just occur naturally, and if I do it often enough, I don't have to even think about practicing them, they just come naturally. I get the same feeling, like I can pass through a crowd and be energetically unnoticed and unengaged. It's a very peaceful, blissful feeling.

This is one of the reasons I love the sounds of crystal bowls: we're going to invest in some really high quality speakers so that I can lie on the floor and be bathed in the sound. I utterly *love* sound healing- I've started fooling around with the didgeridoos again for this reason, I'd love to get a set of tuning forks and crystal bowls, as well as some Tibetan bells. It puts me in an altered state, sound healing. The Neo state.

RunningDeer

22nd June 2012, 05:59

Dear Songs,
I'm sending you Love.
Hearts,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Bryce/11b-1.jpg

songsfortheotherkind

22nd June 2012, 07:45

Dear Songs,
I'm sending you Love.
Hearts,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

I sent blessings last night, in the smoke, as I tossed frankincense and myrrh crystals into the embers. There were glorious stars and the presence of my partner's new child waiting to be conceived. It was beautiful and still.

I thought of you and called out your name into the night, linking it with Michael's. There was a sudden upward explosion of sparks. It seemed to me to be a fitting dance.

songsfortheotherkind

22nd June 2012, 11:22

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb203/thejenniferocious/arts/0004c06a.jpg

if anyone is looking for me, I'm in the Infinity room, roaming...

RunningDeer

22nd June 2012, 12:33

Beautiful! I hope Michael sends you and your family a feather. We are blinking in and out with you these days, 21st-23rd. There are also times that your avatar comes to the fore and I am reminded to join in and merge the great Lights of Beauty.

I'm away for a long weekend, and don't know how much access to computer time I'll have, but know I don't need technology to blink in and out to merge.

Peace Songs,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

Dear Songs,
I'm sending you Love.
Hearts,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

I sent blessings last night, in the smoke, as I tossed frankincense and myrrh crystals into the embers. There were glorious stars and the presence of my partner's new child waiting to be conceived. It was beautiful and still.

I thought of you and called out your name into the night, linking it with Michael's. There was a sudden upward explosion of sparks. It seemed to me to be a fitting dance.

mountain_jim

22nd June 2012, 12:34

When I was attending the Berkeley Psychic Institute classes in the San Francisco Bay Area, one of the things that was always insisted on as being essential for protection was to close the lower chakras down when interacting with others socially or when in a public place.
Other helpful practices that were part of the training are to be aware of one's connection to cosmic energy coming in through the crown chakra, and earth energy coming in through the feet.
I do a kind of energy medicine technique called Chakra Tuning, using tuning forks, that is based on ancient Tibetan methods of sound and frequency healing using bells.
When I "tune" myself, all those techniques just occur naturally, and if I do it often enough, I don't have to even think about practicing them, they just come naturally.
I get the same feeling, like I can pass through a crowd and be energetically unnoticed and unengaged.
It's a very peaceful, blissful feeling.

Being one who relates first to the world on a vibratory level, I perhaps should look more into these 'tuning' techniques. We were gifted with a wonderful tibetan bowl at our wedding but have not used it much.

When I first accidently activated my kundalini and was experiencing it daily trying to clear blockages in my spine to 'come on up', I would be walking around the college campus and periodically feel the earth beneath me 'push up' suddenly and strongly, as it trying to lift me off of the ground, but I would stay grounded and the earth energy would help clear me out. It was scary when it first happened though......

Speaking of Tibetan Bells reminds of my most wonderful experience of a space affected by them. In 1983, at the wonderful and dramatic acoustic space that is Red Rocks, CO.

http://www.denver.org/images/memberimages/Cropped_553x300/13432_RedRocksAmphitheatre.jpg

http://www.redrocksonline.com/portals/_default/skins/redrocks/rotation/rr11.jpg

at night, Mickey Hart, during the Drums/Space portion of the Grateful Dead concert there over each of 3 nights (9/6,7,8/83), 'played' the bells for about 10+ minutes, just letting each tone ring out and resonate and decay away in that sandstone bowl ... I was in an altered state, and the tuning I got from that was wonderful.

(there was no roof on the stage back then either)

Not a normal source for such gifts, but much appreciated.

songsfortheotherkind

22nd June 2012, 12:49

heh, in another thread they mentioned that they thought the Pub was closed because it's been so quiet.

*makes mad scientist movements with her hands*

mwahahaahha, little do they know...

ulli

22nd June 2012, 12:59

songsfortheotherkind

22nd June 2012, 13:03

Speaking of Tibetan Bells reminds of my most wonderful experience of a space affected by them. In 1983, at the wonderful and dramatic acoustic space that is Red Rocks, CO.

http://www.denver.org/images/memberimages/Cropped_553x300/13432_RedRocksAmphitheatre.jpg

http://www.redrocksonline.com/portals/_default/skins/redrocks/rotation/rr11.jpg

at night, Mickey Hart, during the Drums/Space portion of the Grateful Dead concert there over each of 3 nights (9/6,7,8/83), 'played' the bells for about 10+ minutes, just letting each tone ring out and resonate and decay away in that sandstone bowl ... I was in an altered state, and the tuning I got from that was wonderful. (there was no roof on the stage back then either)
Not a normal source for such gifts, but much appreciated.

The idea of hearing the bowls played in that environment is utterly sublime. I remember when I was living in the desert in '85, I used to sit on the roof of the tracking station in the satellite dish (where I lived used to be the tracking station for Woomera Rocket range) and I would listen to the wind; what was amazing was that despite being 14 miles from our nearest neighbours and 80 miles from Coober Pedy, I could clearly hear the sound of didgeridoos on the wind. Only thing was, in the whole time I was there, I was the *only one* who could hear them. They were beautiful to hear and tuned me to the heart of the desert.

I'm looking forward to moving back to the forest and playing the crystal bowls in the trees. Thank you for posting those photos, they are gorgeous.

mountain_jim

22nd June 2012, 13:22

I do realize for the purists to follow :)

that Mickey was playing them through microphones, amplification and a sound system, which is not the same as being in the room with them and none of that in the signal path.

But part of his, and the Grateful Dead's Art, was creating music and transformational effects in a space using their electronic tools.

songsfortheotherkind

22nd June 2012, 14:28

Hello there.

Is this the place that was once the Pub at the End of the Universe?

(Kicks tables out of the way while approaching the bar)

My name is Hannibal Lechter and my 2000 elephants are thirsty.

*looks over at you smilingly*

The elephants have already been taken care of, thanks for rearranging the furniture and nice to see you too. It still is the Pub at the end of the Universe, as the universe hasn't ended yet.

ulli

22nd June 2012, 14:49

Well, well, with such a charming and disarming welcome I see I did the right thing to leave my weapons at the door.
Now, if you would be so kind as to ask your body guard here (sideways ogle at CurtisW) to do the same I might even feel like staying a few minutes. I hope you have high speed wi-fi Internet so I can check on my folks back home.
Pulling an iPad from inside the shirt...

onawah

22nd June 2012, 15:21

It's definitely a good lesson in understanding the value and purpose of boundaries.
The more I've come to appreciate the space I'm in when I'm "tuned", the more uncomfortable it feels to me when I'm not.
Being around other people when those boundaries are not intact feels like my body is being grafted onto their bodies, like multi-Siamese twins; the mix of energies is so uncomfortable.
Or like someone who is teleporting and lands in a wall or some other solid thing instead of an empty space.
We can only feel One when we are each centered in our own energetic connectedness to the cosmos.
Our energies can then flow into each other's, but not our sensations and perceptions of physicality.

I grew up in Denver, Colorado and got to experience the Red Rocks ampitheater several times. It is a fabulous space. It was a great place to go on high school hookey weekdays when no one else was there.

I attended a workshop on crystal bowls once, and it was exquisite. The presenter had about 15 bowls of all different sizes. When they were all going at once, it felt like what I used to imagine ascending would feel like.

There is a set of tuning forks that is based on the frequencies of the Sun, the Moon and the planets of the solar system. A friend of mine has a set and it was such fun playing with them. The frequency of the Sun fork is soooo grounding and rich.
http://www.tuningforkshop.com/index.php?p=sr&Uc=10025

I love doing chakra tunings.
I have a stainless steel set, and I prefer them to the aluminum forks for tuning work.
The forks I have been working with for about 20 years now are so impregnated with healing energy, people feel it the minute they touch them.
A tuning session takes about 90 minutes
I always tune myself first before tuning a client. I sage myself and my home and burn copal crystals to cleanse the air.
I have my clients undress and put on a comfy sarong, then I sage them, give them a nice foot massage, then a quick back, neck and shoulder massage to help them relax and stay grounded.
Then onto the table. lying on their backs, with a foam pad and a feather bed under them, and a pillow under the head and knees.
There is a double window in the room which I leave open in good weather.
The windows face onto a rock wall and a wooded hill in my backyard, and there are always songbirds out there which can be clearly heard, as I live in the woods in a very quiet neighborhood.
I have one or two candles lit, with soft, healing music playing; sometimes Solfeggio frequencies, but I prefer soothing music with the sounds of water, chimes, harps, bells, birds etc.
The session consists of three parts.
During the first, I start with the feet and touch the base of the vibrating C fork to the big toe and the sole and spiral out, then I create a pathway from the feet up the legs to the root chakra, where I also use the C fork. I touch the base of the fork to each side of the pelvic area and then do passes with the fork just over that area and spiral out.
Next, using the C and D fork, I create a path up to the area of the second chakra, and then I use the D fork for the second chakra, and so on up to the crown chakra.
When I finish the crown chakra, using the B fork, there are several moves used to balance the right and left brain, then I seal the aura to keep out the energy that has just been released.
I spend about 15 minutes doing hands on energy channeling on the head, heart, high heart, sides and abdomen.
That really helps clear the space all around the table for the next stage.
By this time, the clients are completely relaxed and feel like they are floating.
The next stage is working on the meridians of the body, tracing each pathway that travels from the toes and fingers and all through the body, touching the tips of the fingers and toes with the corresponding fork and then making passes along the meridians with the vibrating forks to clear the channels that the energy travels through in the body, earth energy pulled up through the feet and cosmic energy flowing down through the crown chakra, and both meeting and mixing in the chakras and throughout the body.
The third stage is working on the layers of the aura, circling each layer with the corresponding fork, and moving out about 6 inches with each layer.
This is the final stage of cleansing, replenishing and sealing the aura, and the last move is back to the feet with the C fork to reground the energy.
It's always a very relaxing and refreshing energetic "bath", but clients have all kinds of experiences.
Some just have a very restful nap, others have OOBs or spiritual journeys,, some have emotional releases, others experience a big release of pain or a realignment similar to a chiropractic adjustment.
I help the client sit up when they are ready, to steady them as sometimes they are a little disoriented, give them some water, then make sure they are steady on their feet, given them a hug and direct them back to the bathroom so they can get changed.
It's a joy to see how different they feel--they usually look a little bit lost. :lol:
I haven't done a lot of long distance tunings, but if anyone wants to try, I am open to it.

Hi Ulli, nice to see you here. I think you will enjoy the Pub. It's been quite a journey here...

When I was attending the Berkeley Psychic Institute classes in the San Francisco Bay Area, one of the things that was always insisted on as being essential for protection was to close the lower chakras down when interacting with others socially or when in a public place.

So, I stumbled across something that is known in other places? Interesting. Knowing that you know what I'm doing (even if the way that I'm doing it might be different to how others achieve the same goal), can you spot the toxicity going on when others are relating from those chakras? To me, once I saw it a few things clicked into place for me, one of them being the sexualisation of the culture which, given the natural energy of the lower chakras, makes sense.

Other helpful practices that were part of the training are to be aware of one's connection to cosmic energy coming in through the crown chakra, and earth energy coming in through the feet.

*nodding* I've spoken about that here before and it really does make a difference, it's something I've known how to do naturally since childhood. It makes a difference to the way I experience the world. It does make my energy jangle the collective, though.

I do a kind of energy medicine technique called Chakra Tuning, using tuning forks, that is based on ancient Tibetan methods of sound and frequency healing using bells.
When I "tune" myself, all those techniques just occur naturally, and if I do it often enough, I don't have to even think about practicing them, they just come naturally. I get the same feeling, like I can pass through a crowd and be energetically unnoticed and unengaged. It's a very peaceful, blissful feeling.

This is one of the reasons I love the sounds of crystal bowls: we're going to invest in some really high quality speakers so that I can lie on the floor and be bathed in the sound. I utterly *love* sound healing- I've started fooling around with the didgeridoos again for this reason, I'd love to get a set of tuning forks and crystal bowls, as well as some Tibetan bells. It puts me in an altered state, sound healing. The Neo state.

mountain_jim

22nd June 2012, 15:45

I love doing chakra tunings.

Thanks much onawah for your exquisitely detailed description of this energetic practice. Makes me want to experience it. Not at a distance though, so this is now on my list. :)

I never lived in Colorado, but I used to fly out there almost every year, for backpacking trips, family visits with sister, and concerts at Red Rocks. One of the other bands I saw perform there was the Dire Straits - Brothers In Arms tour in 85.

I hiked the Red Rocks park when not in use as a venue, and once went there during a 6" snow. After those concert experiences I had there in 83, it became holy ground for me, and I tried to always visit there to reconnect with that space and those rocks while in the area.

The phenomenon pictured in my avatar I experienced (this photo not my experience) camping up above Echo Lake on way to Mt Evans, camping at about 10,000 feet. I actually commuted to those concerts in 83 from a tent camp there, about an hour+ away, showering on the way down to Red Rocks at the Chief Hosa campground on I-70. So after the shows while most were heading home or to hotel rooms, I was returning to a campfire with ridgetop view of the lights of the plains for 70 miles, where I would stay up much of the night observing things.

Another time at this same camping location I was nearly struck by lightning and spent several hours in the car as the safest spot to ride out the storm.

Curt

22nd June 2012, 15:56

How could you not be welcome here, Ullster. You already know way too much. ;) After all, you've done my natal chart.

But, just for the record, my interests in Songsy's body have nothing to do with guarding it. ;)

She's a spitfire capable of handling herself, I've got a pretty good feeling.

Pull up a chair and have a drink. I'd recommend the Irish whiskey, but then that's my particular taste....

Well, well, with such a charming and disarming welcome I see I did the right thing to leave my weapons at the door.
Now, if you would be so kind as to ask your body guard here (sideways ogle at CurtisW) to do the same I might even feel like staying a few minutes. I hope you have high speed wi-fi Internet so I can check on my folks back home.
Pulling an iPad from inside the shirt...

onawah

22nd June 2012, 16:51

You are most welcome, Jim. If you are ever in my neck of the woods here in NW Arkansas, I'd be happy to oblige with a tuning.
I lived in Denver from the time I was 6 when we moved there from the East Coast, until my second year of high school, when we moved back East again.
My favorite thing was when my folks would take a picnic in our old Hudson and drive up to the mountains (in the days when gas still cheap!).
We would find a grassy area next to a creek and make camp, and I would wade into the creek and just MERGE.
I can still remember the day we found a rushing creek with a log across it and I pulled myself along the log into the middle of the creek and then I just clung to the log with my arms, letting the rush of the creek pull and massage the rest of my body. It was tempting to just let go and flow downstream. What bliss!
I still miss the Rockies and all the quaint, queer little historic towns tucked away in the most remote and gorgeous spots there, and the colorful characters who inhabited them.

My favorite summer in Colorado was spent in Alamosa.
It was probably the Native American magic of the Four Corners area that I felt there-- a sense of such freedom that still lingered.
We went camping out at the Great Sand Dunes National Park that summer.
I was having flashbacks to some previous life when I lived in the desert.
The glacier at Mt. Estes is another spot that really sticks in my memory.
I still miss the Rockies!

Mountain_Jim wrote:
Thanks much onawah for your exquisitely detailed description of this energetic practice. Makes me want to experience it. Not at a distance though, so this is now on my list.

Dennis Leahy

22nd June 2012, 17:45

Onowah, you had me at...

impregnated with healing energy, people feel it the minute they touch them.
Too bad I live 822 miles away from you.

Dennis

Mike

22nd June 2012, 18:33

heh, in another thread they mentioned that they thought the Pub was closed because it's been so quiet.

*makes mad scientist movements with her hands*

mwahahaahha, little do they know...

they wouldn't know that if they weren't paying *close* attention, would they? many, many people in the alt community pay close attention to this thread, because, really, there's nothing else like it.

look down on any given night and there's between 50 and 60 guests. Songs could talk to herself and draw at least 30. i don't think any other thread on any other alt forum can boast that kind of curiosity. Christ, "Charles" would be envious!;) and it's not done thru drama; not done thru endlessly slamming alt community members; not done with interviews with alleged illuminatti assassins -- the material speaks for itself, and is endlessly fascinating whether one agrees with it or not.

i'm proud to be one of the original patrons, and proud to be associated with many of the brilliant people here, and feel incredibly lucky to have crossed paths with them in this way. when all the pubsters are participating at the same time, an incredibly rare energy is achieved. but for now they just happen to be breaking briefly, myself included, but are still acutely aware of the others, either thru direct contact or thru...shall i say less conventional means?

what Songs does is fill in the blanks, blanks left by sometimes boring, stale paradigms -- both religious and "new age", and neo-new age, and whatever else. i thought i'd read and heard it all until she came along. i don't always agree with or understand the material, but there's no denying it's special uniqueness. and uniqueness goes an incredibly long way with me, especially in a field that keeps trotting out the same old lame bullsh#t. Songs, i admit i used to occasionally skim your sometimes...er...longer posts, but i've been paying close attention lately and have been kicking myself for not having done it sooner.

so...no, no, the pub is very alive and very well. it is simply a sleeping giant at the moment. slag it at your own risk.

songsfortheotherkind

23rd June 2012, 02:43

Onowah, you had me at...

impregnated with healing energy, people feel it the minute they touch them.
Too bad I live 822 miles away from you.Dennis

*laughing* So I got up this morning, sat down, saw this and cracked up laughing- first, it was the precision of miles; then it was the image cascade of others calculating their precise distance from onawah-"too bad I live 11, 375 miles away from you", then it was the 6 Degrees of Separation from Onawah meme, and then it was the 'looks like I picked the wrong week to give up amphetamines' skit featuring Lloyd Bridges. Awesome way to start the day!

heh heh heh

onawah

23rd June 2012, 03:19

Dennis Leahy

23rd June 2012, 03:52

Hey, but Dennis, like I said, if anyone would like to try a long distance tuning, I'm up for it.
It would be interesting to see what you might feel, regardless of the distance.
As Chinaski said, we
are still acutely aware of the others, either thru direct contact or thru...shall i say less conventional means?
Let's try it, er, I mean, let's do it!

We'll have to pick a time that works for both of us.

I guess playing a computer generated tone on my speakers, corresponding to the tone you're fork is making might be one possibility. Skype might be another, or however you say. We could set a relatively short duration and see if it works or whether that energy needs to be "near-field" to give a perceptible effect.

:~)

Dennis

onawah

23rd June 2012, 04:44

Dennis, I think all that's necessary is to coordinate a 90 minute time space when we are both free from distractions, but if you want to experiment, that's fine of course.
PM me with some times and we will work it out.

songsfortheotherkind

23rd June 2012, 06:34

embarrassing confession, Songs: this whole time i thought you were speaking metaphorically when you spoke of the mind virus. but if i understood you correctly recently, you believe it to be something else entirely, no? something *real*? and you may be right, and probably are; i acknowledge that you have explored corners of the etheric realms and various other realms i can't even mention here out of sheer ignorance, and i acknowledge my utter impotence regarding such matters; but if you take something like the virus and grant it a certain sort of reality, believing it to be partially responsible for many of the things you say and do, and discuss it endlessly, do you not then give it a power it wouldn't have otherwise had? do you not then, in some way, surrender a bit of your autonomy? do you not in some way forfeit personal responsibility? is it really too different from imagining a God in the sky or a devil in hell, saying yes to this and no to that, according to arbitrary whim and fancy?

Ok. I have seen it alive in an individual's eyes more than once and it's creepy and disgusting in the extreme: there is an oily deadness that momentarily turns the individual host into a true zombie and it's not something that sits well with the Life in me, to put it mildly. In the etheric realm the virus exists as an increasingly sentient thing- not yet at Voldemort level, it will never be like that, but it has a primal cunning and awareness, although it's hard to describe in 3D terms. It's definitely sentient. This is a result of something that happens in the evolutionary Consciousness realms, as I have experienced and observed them. Here's how it goes: there is a lot of talk these days about the power of intention and focus, about the creative power of words, about the awesome amount of creative energy within one individual, let alone billions. In my history this is the 6th iteration of homo sapiens, the fourth since the anunnaki got the species to actually be viable. The first two iterations were hideous, 28 Days Later style creatures: there are reasons the deep seated mythologies exist regarding zombie style behaviours etc. It's in the collective unconsciousness. It's one of the reasons the virus mythologies regarding 'falls from grace' etc are so effective; on a profoundly deep level, humans know- instinctively and uneasily, with nightmare level primal anxiety- that there's *something* wrong in them somewhere. This is evidenced all over the mythologies- they are afraid of *something* they cannot articulate and it's constantly externalised, when it actually comes from within them. The christian bible even explicitly states that humans 'made in the image of their makerS'- elohim, plural- and on a profoundly biological level, the corruption of their makers whispers to them in ways that speak in nightmares and imagery, in unspoken horrors lurking outside the safety of the circle of the fire, externally in the bewildering hideousness of their own cultural and behavioural baselines. They do not naturally create beauty; there is a constant turning towards death cult fascination, despite their own puzzlement at this.

Made in the image of their makers. And their makers learned really quickly to fear them. Do you know anunnaki don't like fire, for instance? It's one of the reasons Lucifer/Prometheus is so loathed in the religions they created- the Lucifer/Liliths both could cope with fire *and* they gave it to the homo sapiens, which had benefits on many levels.

All this is buried in the mythologies from all over the world- constant stories of angry god/s raining down destruction and cataclysm for the sin of 'rebellion', for thinking itself as species equal to that which made it, the growing suspicion that not only was it equality but was actually a superiority, a greater evolution than had been counted on- the conversation at the tower of Babel: 'with a common language and these abilities, what will they not be able to accomplish and become like us?' and so the languages were confused, to prevent the evolution that the hybrids carried within them.

So the virus was created between the third and fourth iterations, really kicking in during the fourth. It was originally created when it became clear the anunnaki had made something they were going to lose control of really quickly, due to the unforeseen effects of the Otherkind signal. Originally it was a vast sight more crude and brutal than what it is now, because the full effects of the Otherkind gene splicing hadn't really become widespread. Originally it was a mind control program embedded within a primitive viral coating, fairly simply and brutally enforced by innoculation and terrorism: there was also a distortion of the construction of the original brain configuration so that the mind became far more programmable and vulnerable to the external authority, in combination with religion and the other control mechanisms that were put in place- controlled education, governance, social structures that made it dangerous to be different. Bog standard totalitarianism, really. But the Otherkind genetics were the spanner in the works that caused the whole control system to go pear shaped.

Originally, the first iterations were made using mostly anunnaki genetics and some genes from various Gaian based lifeforms that Gaia had been developing as expression of her own evolutionary Art. The mixing of the genetics didn't go well- the Life signal contained in the Gaian based genes caused a strong negative reaction from the devolution signal present in the anunnaki genetics and it created a species that basically looked like Reavers, mutilating each other and themselves in an attempt to remove the signal that was causing so much internal dissonance. The anunnaki already knew they were fundamentally allergic to this system- the frequency here drives them nuts, which is why high Otherkind/Life signal in an individual can drive a group of stronger anunnaki signal homo sapiens utterly berserk- it's part of the pitchfork and torches reaction, on a biological level, just like the early homo sapiens tried to tear themselves apart; even when it was possible to implant an embryo in a female it would tear its own body apart trying to get rid of the embryo and it wasn't until the third and fourth iterations that the combination was found whereby the homo sapiens could breed- but that was because of the introduction of the Otherkind genetics, so it was a double edged sword in ways the anunnaki were scrambling to compensate for. It still is- there never have been 'pure' homo sapiens here because they self destruct- and I cannot begin to describe the horror of that, 28 Days Later triggered me so badly in some ways- so it's never been a case of 'we homo sapiens, YOU 'alien invaders'; the genetics have always been mixed and without that the homo sapiens would have been a failed experiment tossed into the lab trashcan like an aborted baby left to die. What a charming species this isn't.

Thus the anunnaki turned their focus for new genetic material on the Otherkind, the many other species that were already here and doing their thing via the numerous Gateways and entry points that had been consciously and carefully crafted, tuned to the sometimes specific requirements of particular biological configurations and expressions. Sentient Beings who are also aware energetically occasionally stumble across these places and instantly realise they are a place tuned to something profoundly Other, often is ways that cause them to back out of the space if they don't carry the resonant hybridisation of that particular energy; those that *do* carry that particular signal will find it attracts them in powerful and inexplicable ways, sometimes moving them to profound emotional and psychological upheaval and catharsis that can sometimes even lead to physical transformation on deep levels. They generally cannot adequately explain or describe what has happened, often simply stating 'it felt like I had come Home' and on a genetic and signal level this is accurate. Since the homo sapiens have come to dominate the landscape and be the primary generators of the collective signal here, many Otherkind can no longer manifest here because the dissonance carried within homo sapiens is so excruciatingly noisy they're simply too painful to be around. It's one of the reasons the Gateways are mostly closed now, or at least heavily guarded, and why there is a quarantine on this planet that will never allow homo sapiens or the anunnaki to leave this particular system. Never. They are the worst energetic virus ever seen and the rest of the multiverse isn't waiting at all to welcome them with open arms; they're making absolutely sure that only those who are willing to evolve, to move beyond the low vibration addictions and embrace the Life signal, are welcomed out of the barriers. There's a lot in the anunnaki bible about those barriers and the way out of them, because the Anun known as Jesus knew exactly what the mindset of the anunnaki was like- they were, after all, his own ancestors, even if they were far removed from him energetically and biologically due to his hybridisation. That's the Lucifer/Lilith signal, I've written a bit of what that was about. Suffice now to say that there are many allusions within the world's religions and philosophies that point to what I'm saying, just all skewed towards the anunnaki perspective: we all know the lie needs to be wrapped around a grain of truth before it will be swallowed. There are links all over the planet that talk about this ancient history- there's just a great deal of interest in arguing the details, rather than wondering what the substance of it all is.

That's the part that truly interests and engages me, the 'what it lead to' bit- it's no big news *to me* to point to my Self and say 'Otherkind hybrid' because the hybrid part is like 'uh, d'uh' when it comes to sentient Beings on this planet and I hybridised my Self, deliberately, eons ago, as part of my work here - sure, at some point impossibly and irrelevantly way back when, my physical avatar of choice may have come from some distinct genome that had nothing to do with Gaia and the signal here, but the Otherkind signal I had before the anunnaki has been transformed by my work here since the Question became priority; in order to keep coming here I eventually had to incarnate into avatars that carried the homo sapiens signal and I went through my baptism of pain with regards that (which is the jangle Otherkind carry here, in part because their signal knows death is a crock and utterly unnatural and the resetting is utterly distressing both ways, so it takes a LOT of commitment to the cause to even keep returning here- this realm is NOT for the fragile, and even those considered utterly fragile here are certainly not considered so in the realms this project is being conducted from)- now I am aware that I'm hybrid, I've crafted this intentionally all along and the particular combination I now carry has a very specific purpose and intention embedded in it. I know there's Others out there who have precisely the same focus and awareness, which is one of the reasons I'm even bothering with all this work- it's a Calling, like the Quickening, in a way- and if you know what 'quicken' means, it's utterly relevant and specific. I am increasingly distilling that signal with a very specific purpose and intent.

The conflict, from the anunnaki standpoint, is that the Life signal *carries creative power*- those who truly know what they're doing can manifest anything, including Life itself- although the Life one is a doozy and while it's not something that's part of the run of the mill abilities, given enough distillation of the signal itself, a Being can become a Creator on that level. Most don't aspire to that level, because frankly being on the cutting edge of cocking about in the other manifestations of the signal is just way too much fun to get all focused on that level- and that's perfect in itself. :D

When the anunnaki created the virus, they once again miscalculated the effects of the Life signal on their creation- it initially seemed like nothing more than a simple construct, with a rigid set of parameters and operating limits.

http://smhttp.14409.nexcesscdn.net/806D5E/wordpress-live/images/hysterical-psycho-1.jpg

And *that* was always going to go well, wasn't it. One thing about the anunnaki- they have an unwavering dedication to never learning from their history, no matter which dimension it's in, theirs or here- there's stuff in their pre-Gaian history that points to the reasons why their universe was collapsing and it had partly to do with just this tendency. Hmm, what other species behaves like that? And just like their makers, they too don't think that's going to have ultimate extinction at the end of it. But I digress.

The issue that came up with the virus itself had to do with a number of converging factors: the increasing distilling of the hybridisation over the long term- high Otherkind genes sought out other high Otherkind, regardless of the diversity of Otherkind signal itself, while high homo sapiens/anunnaki sought out its own and gradually a separation began, echoed in the myriads of religious and spiritual texts, over and over indicating that at some point in the future a permanent separation was going to occur because the two signals are fundamentally, energetically and experientially incompatible. This fundamental incompatibility is not a philosophical one, it's a biological one, the difference between the savagery of the homo sapiens and the gentle unwarlike natures of the Neanderthals, who would have been utterly wiped out had not interventions occurred. They exist still, some choosing to remain in physical form here on the planet in remote and hidden areas in order to carry the original Gaian signal in the face of the homo sapiens signal, while others took the offer of refuge in the Otherrealms and have been quietly evolving in their own unique ways, with as much or as little interaction as they have wished, while they, like the rest of us, waited to see how the Question was going to resolve itself. So the distillation of signal was one factor on the virus- because the Otherkind signal has had great creative power *and* no clarity with which to wield it. Losing one's memory in order to incarnate here was one of the downsides of interacting with the human signal- to come in too complete caused great distress and incompatibility in the early days and it's been a huge effort to get the homo sapiens biology to level up enough to handle a strong Otherkind signal. Now, one of the interesting elements of the process is that some are actively hacking through the limiter codes so that the Otherkind genetics can become the dominant signal- there are *also* many mythologies and cultural tales designed to restrict and make that endeavour taboo- but we're dissolving those too, so that's weakening.

All over the planet the anunnaki and virus hold is weakening- but the virus has been driven to the point of extinction before only to rise again from the faintest of fertile threads and the lessons have been learned from this, to distill into the resolve that Beings like me express: there can be no compromise with the virus signal. None. Its nature is to constantly rise up and recreate itself in its next evolution- that's what all viruses *do*, they evolve and adapt for *their own* survival, and this virus is founded absolutely in a dedication to extinction of the Life signal. There's no transforming this. I don't even engage in such discussions, because I don't have the time for them- others can engage in useless carousel discussions about transforming the dead into something living and in my realms that's called zombification. It never goes well, despite what Fido might suggest. I don't choose to waste my time trying to point out the utterly obvious to those who cannot learn from the past and at best they'll get an abrupt and staccato history lesson in 'been there and tried that here, here, here, here and here, it didn't work, why do you think doing the same thing *again* is going to get a different result?'. It doesn't go down well with the 'all we need is love and things are going to work out' crowd, but then not much does- certainly not a horned, pointy eared and fanged perspective, because we all know what looking like *that* means. :P

So, the anunnaki set up this virus, and it worked for awhile- and then the Otherkind signal started rising and the *creative energy* started rising. The anunnaki were at first delighted and took no time at all figuring out how to harvest this unexpected largesse and at different times it fueled some quite powerful anunnaki societies and technologies, with the eventual resultant collapse into rubble because, uh, hellooooooo, anunnak- and it the midst of all the mayhem, constant attacks on the Anun and communities where the Otherkind signal was strong and other upheavals, there was a deeper, subtly coalescing signal that the anunnaki missed- but the *virus* didn't, because it was built to *adapt*.

I've been writing since I got up and it's now time for me to get ready and head out the door to the fire festival, where one of my sons is fire twirling tonight. I will write again when I get home.

Now you know why this is going to be so much easier in the you tube film versions. :P

these questions, btw, aren't meant to be confrontational -- just intended to spark discussion. i'm excited for your response and know it will be wonderfully enlightening and mind-blowing. i'll be disappointed if it isn't!;)

what i love about your message (and why i always felt religious/spiritual belief systems to be incomplete -- amongst other things) is that it includes things and ideas found nowhere else on the planet as far as i know, like distilling avatars and exploring slidier realms etc...your recent emphasis on autonomy and heteronomy is vital, and i'm thrilled you're taking the lead here and shining a light on it. the problem, ive always felt, is that otherwise autonomous people are, from their birth, constantly asked to declare allegiances (Virus!!!) to country, political party, religious faith etc, and things have become so black n white, so nuance deficient, that minds and spirits have atrophied to the point of impotence, incurable by conventional means, and are slowly drifting towards an insidious heteronomy -- one that they don't even realize is infecting their minds and spirits.

i don't know the answers, but it's not gonna stop me from going to the store right this second to pick up a 6 pack of guinness, a fat hamburger from Wendy's, and then eventually phoning that blond chick i met last night, having her come over, then...(fill in x-rated fantasy here...*or*... fill in alleged charming come-on followed by humiliating rejection followed by a fitful night of sleep thinking of what i would be doing if i hadn't been so shamefully rejected)

I'm leaving this as my reminders as to where I was up to. :D

Anchor

23rd June 2012, 08:49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN5FXD4av4M

I don't drink.

Ima gonna sit in the corner, stuff some shrapnel in the jukebox and dial this one up again.

I have not read past page 4 here yet, but I intend too. I dont want to duplicate, and it may be a while before I catch up.

So, if you don't mind a thoughtful geek sat in the corner lost in loud music and thought, I may stay a while.

I am hard enough BTW ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8po7WcdGtG0

Anchor

23rd June 2012, 11:22

I had to put on another - do excuse the noise - mwahahaha

2GQMIXGRjaw

For once in my life I've got something to say
I wanna say it now for now is today
A love has been given so why not enjoy
So let's all grab and let's all enjoy

If the kids are united then we'll never be divided
If the kids are united then we'll never be divided

Just take a look around you
What do you see
Kids with feelings like you and me
Understand him, he'll understand you
For you are him, and he is you

If the kids are united then we'll never be divided
If the kids are united then we'll never be divided
If the kids are united then we'll never be divided
If the kids are united then we'll never be divided

I don't want to be rejected
I don't want to be denied
Then its not my misfortune
That I've opened up your eyes

Freedom is given
Speak how you feel
I have no freedom
How do you feel
They can lie to my face
But not to my heart
If we all stand together
It will just be the start

If the kids are united then we'll never be divided
If the kids are united then we'll never be divided

Curt

23rd June 2012, 11:35

Hey Pubsters,

I'm going to take a page out of Chinaski's book and take a couple week breather from the forum. Need some deep hermit time and a serious hit of mother nature. I'll look forward to catching up when I get back.

I'll leave you with this, the greatest song of all time...well, not really, but I like it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaTynSsIpdo

Borden

23rd June 2012, 11:36

Hmm ... a thoughtful geek ... who is hard enough.

Wait! No ... no, it couldn't be ..

http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/amazing-spider-man-banner.jpg

... could it?

Borden

23rd June 2012, 11:48

When it's got to be done you've got to do it ... I have complete empathy with that.

Go deep, Curt, and bring us back excellent things to think about. I hope you have a good time, and we'll look forward to your return.

songsfortheotherkind

23rd June 2012, 13:45

And one of the bartenders just passed on this tip to me and I thought I'd share it with the Pubsters:

http://prankked.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/funny-mentos-prank-meme.jpg

Mike

23rd June 2012, 14:07

JskztPPSJwY

this video is worth it just for the first 10 seconds..morrison's smile after the second question is priceless! an underrated song too. one of the best american rock songs of all time imho.

firstly: Anchor, i've always admired you and it's great seeing you participating in this thread. really lookin forward to your contributions!

secondly: i want to make something clear that i didn't in my previous post. perhaps i'm being overly neurotic, but i just reread what i wrote and could see how one might mistakenly take from that that i think only the now absent members create this wonderful energy here, or that the members that aren't currently participating are somehow more special than the newer ones etc...SO, i want to make something *perfectly* clear here: i view everyone here as *equals*, and *love love love* the fact that Dennis is here, that Curt is here(or at least he was...now gone for a bit...will miss you Curt!) , that Onawah is here, that mountainjim is here, that Paula is here, madhatter etc...and i of course miss seeing CAlz, Cerrwiden, Zebra...

thirdly: Songs, i notice you've thoughtfully responded to my post to you in the 'how much transformation....' thread both here and there -- thank you, i've read them both and will respond as soon as i can. just don't have the darn time at the moment...

bye for now guys;)

songsfortheotherkind

23rd June 2012, 14:49

I don't drink.

Ima gonna sit in the corner, stuff some shrapnel in the jukebox and dial this one up again.

I have not read past page 4 here yet, but I intend too. I dont want to duplicate, and it may be a while before I catch up.

*lines up a raft of superfood smoothies*

You're going to be settling in for awhile, then? I recommend avoiding the red couches if you want to concentrate...

So, if you don't mind a thoughtful geek sat in the corner lost in loud music and thought, I may stay a while.

As I have a thing for thoughtful geeks, I don't mind in the slightest. I look forward to hearing your perspective when you come out of the thought space.

I am hard enough BTW ;)

*looks over her glass at you, eyes gleaming mischieviously*

A hard man is indeed good to find...

songsfortheotherkind

23rd June 2012, 14:53

I had to put on another - do excuse the noise - mwahahaha

2GQMIXGRjaw

Oh nongods, this inspired me to listen to the Sex Pistols. Awesome socks! I love this music!

*slamdances*

songsfortheotherkind

23rd June 2012, 14:57

bye for now guys;)

*hugs*

see you 'round. :)

And yes Mike you are paranoid. It's part of your charm. Plus you live in the world's twitchiest city. :P

songsfortheotherkind

23rd June 2012, 15:12

Hey Pubsters,

I'm going to take a page out of Chinaski's book and take a couple week breather from the forum. Need some deep hermit time and a serious hit of mother nature. I'll look forward to catching up when I get back.

Bye you. See you when you get back. You know I already miss you.

onawah

23rd June 2012, 15:13

'm leaving this as my reminders as to where I was up to. :D
Don't worry, Songs, I will remind you!
:hungry::tea:
I probably should be following Curt's example, but it's more like this for me
:ranger::typing:
when you start on this fascinating subject...

songsfortheotherkind

23rd June 2012, 15:28

I probably should be following Curt's example

At some point soon, I will be, if the energy stops pushing me. :) For now, it really insists on me doing what I'm doing.

I did love seeing my son do his fire show tonight. I'm looking forward to getting my glow contact juggling balls. :D

I'm going to go sleep and then I've got all day tomorrow to write. :)

songsfortheotherkind

23rd June 2012, 15:34

Hmm ... a thoughtful geek ... who is hard enough.

Wait! No ... no, it couldn't be ..

http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/amazing-spider-man-banner.jpg

... could it?

squeeeeeee!! Next Thursday! I'm going to be there for the first session if I possibly can. I think that is going to coincide with my new tattoo day, and my new piercings day. A good day! Oh, and also my cutting off my hair day, because the curls are just too high maintenance.

You know, you were right- nobody realised that picture I posted was of me. *grinning*

onawah

23rd June 2012, 15:48

At some point soon, I will be, if the energy stops pushing me. For now, it really insists on me doing what I'm doing.

Perhaps this is partially due to some astral nudges you may be feeling coming from me.
I'm up to page 40 in my backreading on this thread, and am compiling a list of questions. :lol:

I'm going to go sleep and then I've got all day tomorrow to write.
Wonderful! Where this info is taking me is a very good space. Thank you!
Remember to take some breathers, do some stretching, and "save" so nothing gets lost.
Sweet dreams!

songsfortheotherkind

24th June 2012, 00:29

Perhaps this is partially due to some astral nudges you may be feeling coming from me.

*grinning* Oi! Stop nudging! I wake up with Beings talking at me and information scrolling across across my ceiling as it is! Although in truth the projecting info on my ceiling one hasn't happened for awhile now. The conversations, however, are wonderfully constant. :)

I'm up to page 40 in my backreading on this thread, and am compiling a list of questions. :lol:

hopefully I'll have my first youtube vids up before then and can distract you with those. :P

Wonderful! Where this info is taking me is a very good space. Thank you!

That's kind of you to tell me, because at the moment I'm fielding a great deal of 'I don't like your information! You suck! Here, have some personal judgement about you because I don't like what you're saying!' and even though I can do it, I am beginning to think that discussion is a dead art in the dominant paradigm and that personal attack is the order of the day. I'm kind of Aspie in that way- while I do understand the mechanisms that cause others to react to me that way, it always bewilders me when they do because I'm looking at the subject matter and they're looking at me *personally*. *shrugs*

Remember to take some breathers, do some stretching, and "save" so nothing gets lost.

Ever since some kind Being- I *think* it was Dennis but am unsure- told me about Lazarus and I installed it, my frustrations at lost material have been much less. Part of the issue is that I tend to stream of consciousness write off the top of my head, and then hit 'post', because I'm already thinking about the next 10 things that have fired off in my brain. I am much less OCD about errors these days, which feels rather good.

:)

songsfortheotherkind

24th June 2012, 00:35

Well, well, with such a charming and disarming welcome I see I did the right thing to leave my weapons at the door.
Now, if you would be so kind as to ask your body guard here (sideways ogle at CurtisW)

*laughs* He's not at all like that. He's a lesson in autonomy, for me at least. :)

I might even feel like staying a few minutes. I hope you have high speed wi-fi Internet so I can check on my folks back home.
Pulling an iPad from inside the shirt...

*slightly raises eyebrows at you* Frankly I think I'd curl up and die without the ability to get online- and we have *warp* speed internet here. *waves to drunken Enterprise techs in the corner, who drunkenly wave back, causing one to fall out of their chair* These guys hooked it up for me as a favour, because they had another brawl with the Romulans in the virtual pool room: it never ceases to amaze me how useful a weapon a virtual pool cue can be...

*grins at you and disappears through a handy portal*

songsfortheotherkind

24th June 2012, 05:24

These writings were done in a thread that is going to get buried because it has been closed. The elements of these are important for me in the fostering of effective open source creativity, so I'm tweaking them a little and keeping them here in the Pub for reference and discussion.

As in any situation that involves two different parties, a third party coming in with nothing more than a glossy and vague understanding of the situation can really contribute nothing of value to the matter: aide workers in other countries learned this lesson over a long period of time from the 1960s attitude of going in thinking that *they* knew what was necessary for all concerned, to the more long range view held now; many modern aide workers these days actually live in the communities they are servicing for several years, keeping their mouths mostly shut and opening their ears, eyes and hearts, learning which are the *important* questions to ask and which are simply pre-loaded with assumption. Great work has been done with this approach- effective, beneficial to the locals and carrying the signal of true transformation. The old way simply created more issues- ever heard of the 'Green Revolution'?

The Pub is a community that has evolved in the time it has been operational. There is a context embedded language that has already evolved here, because that's what the individuals gathered here are, in part, interested in. Things that happen in the pub happen within the context of the Pub community and a brief perusal of a skinny portfolio of papers- such is skimming through a few posts- isn't going to give a platform from which any can speak informedly and with insight on a complex matter. Sometimes ongoing situations result in a lot of discussion and platform shifting in the Pub, involving quite a number of the Pub community. It is an eclectic and multiperspectived hologram, this Pub.

I'm speaking Pub language here. Every member of the Pub Club will understand pretty much exactly what I just said and will resonate, to one degree or another, with the essence and foundational concepts I'm basing these remarks on. I'm not saying that to brag in any way, I'm saying it to demonstrate that, say, an English speaker from suburban Somewhere, with a fresh degree in Sociology clutched in their hand, has come to the rainforest on an far distant planet where the natives speak a local dialect, have utterly different customs, history and perspectives- and the sociology major think they know what's going on.

In many situations where evolution is the experience it's really, really, really easy- and, in fact, modern society's default position- to attack and destroy the messenger, rather than consider the message in what the messenger brought directly or indirectly to the situation. It's a combination of first brain (I don't use the term reptilian, it's erroneous) and limbic brain reactivity without any significant neocortex function- what I call "Burn the Witch" mode. It's part of the pitchfork wielding mob mentality, except these days it's done verbally. The foundational platform is the same- squash anything that doesn't fit the dominant society within any area- science, art, education, religion, politics, society and forums- they *all* mirror each other in their reaction to anything that doesn't fit the prescribed parameters.

I am utterly disinterested in this recursive and closed system behaviour. It makes me look many things to many individuals, few of which are flattering: as it happens I don't give a rats about social memes and conventions, I'm interested in what is beyond that because the issues that currently plague the sentient Beings of this planet aren't going to go away by tweaking and refurbishing the same paradigms that create the issues.

An individual may have absolutely NO interest in this perspective whatsoever, in which case they will continue to hold their views, perceptions and assumptions, which they are *entirely* within their autonomy to do. I'm not interested in engaging in personality differences. If, however, there is an interest in perspectives without personality, then perhaps what I have written regarding various topics will be of some interest and co-creative exploration can ensue. I am open to this and I have no problem if any individual has the former, 'no thanks', preference, providing it doesn't turn into Burn the Witch, in which case I will respond if and as necessary.

Mmm, this was never about personalities- it's about operating platforms that have profoundly different perspectives and expressions. Personally I have seen the heteronomy flare ups and reactivity as a micro-macro exploration, on many levels, and I still do- I'm really not interested in 'personalities', because there's no evolution in that - and my personal view is that without some kind of *profound* EVOLUTION things look rather grim for the sentient Beings on this planet.

This is supposed to be a forum for evolutionaries, yet as soon as evolution comes up in a form that the general population isn't comfortable with, the default 'burn the witch' position comes to the fore- and from an evolutionary standpoint that default position springs from extinction signal. I can handle the flak- heck, if I couldn't I would have been drummed out of this forum long ago with the rigid social mores and thought policing that operate beneath the surface here- but the flak doesn't generally bother me: I grew up being beaten the crap out of by my peers in the schoolyard because at 8 I knew words like antidisestablishmentarianism, could read at a year 12 level and these things threatened their world even if they couldn't articulate why, so they knew exactly how to deal with that. I know I'm short, weird looking, and physically scarred, so the physical insults don't work, the personal insults don't work, the insults hidden behind convoluted intellectualism or pseudo- spirituality don't work- so the *only thing left* is to either consider intelligently what I'm talking about, discuss the platform I'm pointing to, consider the possibilities I'm bringing to the table, rather than looking at the messenger, making personality based judgements and trying to set fire to them. I am *made* of fire, so that's not going to work either.

I'm not saying I'm everyone's cup of tea- I have *zero interest* in being so, it's honestly and truthfully not my thing- it does feel yuck to be abused or maligned, sure, *and* if that was going to shut me up it would have done so by now; I process the yuck, take a few deep breaths, reconfigure and keep following my path. I'm not interested in those who want to respond to me with insults and potshots at my personality, they truly are a dime a dozen and represent nothing but the dominant paradigm; I am looking for individuals who can think outside the boxes, who will help me refine and enrich this platform I'm building, who are interested in *creating* something new, not in clinging to what has been because that's all they've got. I keep saying, and I will KEEP saying, agreement, homogeny and consensus are NOT necessary- there are better elements to work with, AUTONOMY being a foundational one.

If someone doesn't like me personally that's totally understandable, I'm weird! I'm outspoken! I don't play 'nice' a lot of the time, because *to me* that's a waste of time: this does not mean I don't care about anything or anyone because were this true I wouldn't be on this forum - and there are those who take what I talk about and reword it so that they don't have to deal with what I'm talking about because of the way I express my Self. I have *zero interest* in being a guru, god or geisha for *anyone*- so there's really no issue for me there. I don't even care if what I'm talking about interests or suits others- that's their autonomy in action, which I fully resonate to- it gets really tedious when any individual equates 'I don't resonate with either you as an individual or with what you talk about' with 'and that gives me the right to malign you to others, tear you down any way I see fit, write posts that spread my negative judgements as if these are absolute truth and make a point of pointing negative energy at you whenever I can'- *that* is just the same old controller paradigm's tactics, and I'll call them as I see them, not because I'm interested in personality conflict but because the tactics they are employing are part of the foundation for every act of terrorism, brutality and war on the planet- and THAT matters to me. Calling something what it is is the first act of empowerment, *in my experience*.

That's who I am, that's what I'm about. The Burn the Witch is something that is deeply embedded in the dominant paradigm and slithers beneath the skin of almost all Beings- my Self included, although it's not about witches, obviously- and I have to keep a close eye on my Self to make sure that crap isn't running. This is why I focus the way that I do- evolution simply cannot happen if every time a New Thing emerges it's hit on the head and killed because 'it don't look like Us'. Of course it doesn't- it's a New Thing.

Viva la evolution!

songsfortheotherkind

24th June 2012, 05:44

*wanders off to remember where I was up to...*

onawah

24th June 2012, 06:18

*grinning* Oi! Stop nudging! I wake up with Beings talking at me and information scrolling across across my ceiling as it is!

I've actually been containing my nudges more lately, in view of that, not that I am any less curious, just a little less OCD now, myself, as I am feeling more reassured that you are going to stick around and keep hacking away, despite the critics.
I don't know if it's possible at this point in time to avoid altogether the type of criticism on Avalon that you have been experiencing, but at other times in its history, it probably would have been much worse, if that's any comfort.
At least the trolls have not been able to infiltrate; the *language* itself and the support team :fans: seem to be doing a good job with keeping them away. :nhl_checking::warning2: which is saying something.
There might be a better venue elsewhere, though I don't know where it would be...
But if you leave, I hope you will leave a trail of crumbs for your friends here to follow.

hopefully I'll have my first youtube vids up before then and can distract you with those. :P

At this rate, I will never be able to tear myself away from my computer!
No doubt it it will be worth it, so continue to distract, please!
The issue of hegemony vs autonomy in a very absolute, cosmic sense has been the biggest puzzle to me for most of my adult life, though I've not been conscious enough of it, relegating it to a file of unsolvable problems, I suppose... :unsure:
The way you are breaking it down reaches to the very heart of the matter for me though, and so perhaps in the long run, this will actually be the means for me becoming much less distracted, :yu: with some sort of resolution to the inner debate or a new plateau being reached at last.

That's kind of you to tell me, because at the moment I'm fielding a great deal of 'I don't like your information! You suck! Here, have some personal judgement about you because I don't like what you're saying!' and even though I can do it, I am beginning to think that discussion is a dead art in the dominant paradigm and that personal attack is the order of the day. I'm kind of Aspie in that way- while I do understand the mechanisms that cause others to react to me that way, it always bewilders me when they do because I'm looking at the subject matter and they're looking at me *personally*. *shrugs*

Yes, I've noticed, and have felt called to defend you, but in my experience on the forum, that just feeds the fire, :target::flame:so I will go on supporting you by continuing to post here, continue to process the info, learn (hopefully) and :cheer2:
continued

onawah

24th June 2012, 06:19

If I can stand to have my remarks come under your critical dissection and not :mad2: :rant: :boom: , then hopefully others will also see there is value in the process.
I feel like I am undergoing some very vital de-programming, for which I :thank_you2:

Ever since some kind Being- I *think* it was Dennis but am unsure- told me about Lazarus and I installed it, my frustrations at lost material have been much less. Part of the issue is that I tend to stream of consciousness write off the top of my head, and then hit 'post', because I'm already thinking about the next 10 things that have fired off in my brain. I am much less OCD about errors these days, which feels rather good.:)

I wish some kind Being would direct me to a tutorial in posting images on the forum and on my profile page.
I still haven't even figured out how to post my photo :gaah:
I have little patience for technical stuff, and my former computer geek helper has moved to another state. :shout::shocked:

songsfortheotherkind

24th June 2012, 08:46

I've actually been containing my nudges more lately, in view of that, not that I am any less curious, just a little less OCD now, myself, as I am feeling more reassured that you are going to stick around and keep hacking away, despite the critics. I don't know if it's possible at this point in time to avoid altogether the type of criticism on Avalon that you have been experiencing, but at other times in its history, it probably would have been much worse, if that's any comfort.

In all honesty this experience is helping me become far more sanguine about the haters, because I used to be gun shy of their tactics but that was based on the trauma of such bullying that I endured in my school years which, on one occasion, almost resulted in me losing an eye from a hurled rock that sailed through the air with the accompanying shriek of 'bookworm freak!'.

I'm not that frail, battered, shy little girl these days. This is an internet forum, and these individuals think it's of any importance at all what they think. Yertle the Turtle was written for a reason- such servants of the heteronomy have been around since the beginning of the control mechanisms themselves. I'm appreciating the opportunity to refine my perspective and have such excellent examples of the very things I'm talking about demonstrate by their own hand the fundamental aspects of the points I'm making. It saves me heaps of work. :)

At least the trolls have not been able to infiltrate; the *language* itself and the support team :fans: seem to be doing a good job with keeping them away. :nhl_checking::warning2: which is saying something.

The language is part of it- autonomy language is not actually something that can be faked. It's not possible to speak autonomy while sliding in some heteronomy- the two are oil and water, one does not support the other, there is no 'little bit heteronomous', it's not a sliding scale of 'oh well, it's only a *little* dictatorial, that's ok'. That's why the attacks are personality based rather than content based. The language isn't one they speak.

There might be a better venue elsewhere, though I don't know where it would be...But if you leave, I hope you will leave a trail of crumbs for your friends here to follow.

*grins at you sideways eyed*

hopefully I'll have my first youtube vids up before then and can distract you with those. :P

At this rate, I will never be able to tear myself away from my computer! No doubt it it will be worth it, so continue to distract, please!

I'm not big on distraction, I'm doing the vids so that I can move into deeper elements of the discussion and exploration; for the most part I am just refining the flow here which obviously needs to happen so that I can get into the deeper elements of the exploration which is what *really* interests me. This was never going to be about quantity or bringing a message that will tickle the ears of the masses, it's about individuals self selecting into the exploration or feeling the prickle of the Questions that fuel the evolution. That's the bit that makes me personally bounce with delight. :)

The issue of hegemony vs autonomy in a very absolute, cosmic sense has been the biggest puzzle to me for most of my adult life, though I've not been conscious enough of it, relegating it to a file of unsolvable problems, I suppose... The way you are breaking it down reaches to the very heart of the matter for me though, [/QUOTE]

that is in part an element of my purpose and intention: exploring a framework of language and concepts that give the core group a platform to work from. It's the signal from which others can explore and find their *own* perspective and voice, without the usual strangling of difference that marks the Borg's methods. I'm passionate about transformation. The heteronomy has nothing worthwhile to offer, ever, except to those who need to be governed- at this is utterly a legitimate choice, it's simply never going to go anywhere interesting or survive for long.

Yes, I've noticed, and have felt called to defend you,

absolutely unnecessary, I can assure you: this is all part of the evolution signal as it's coming to me and I really am flowing with it. I'm learning to aikiddo on a much deeper level. It's all good. :)

songsfortheotherkind

24th June 2012, 08:57

If I can stand to have my remarks come under your critical dissection and not :mad2: :rant: :boom: , then hopefully others will also see there is value in the process. I feel like I am undergoing some very vital de-programming, for which I :thank_you2:

As I said to you at the time, it wasn't personal, it was about the signal, and you lived into the evolution that *you* want to have. You're making your Self, crafting your *own* Art and expression, and that's the awesome thing, from my perspective: everyone already always has *their own* unique signal; sometimes we are in a unique position to help each other triangulate. :)

songsfortheotherkind

24th June 2012, 09:33

I wish some kind Being would direct me to a tutorial in posting images on the forum and on my profile page.

In order to post pics on the forum, the picture must be hosted online somewhere, either in an online album or on your own site. To post a pic from your online album you click on the picture so that you get the full size one you want, you can either right click on the picture and select the 'copy image address' option, or you can highlight the address in the address bar.

You come here to the forum, find where you want to post your image and you use the buttons above the dialogue box to post your pic. In the buttons there is an icon that to me looks like a tree- when you mouse over it the words 'insert image' comes up. Click on that, and a box will appear: paste the address of the pic you want to post into the address bar in the box and click ok. You can then preview your post to make sure the link worked.

See how that goes. ;)

PurpleLama

24th June 2012, 11:24

songsfortheotherkind

24th June 2012, 12:36

Language, especially in a text based format without the nuance of body language or the opportunity to look the speaker in the eye, has a great potential of being misunderstood or misinterpreted. If you don't grok already what the other is going on about, then tread carefuly, and be slow to label the others expression with any of the watch words.

This would be lovely. I agree with you regarding the difficulties involved in online language, which is why I'm endeavouring to establish some baseline platforms given the particular perspective I'm coming from. I'm continuing to write, despite the criticisms and personal attacks. It bemuses me that if those who disagree with me so strongly really wanted to they could simply exercise their autonomous right to ignore me. I don't go into threads that don't appeal to or interest me- why would I do that? So if individuals have an issue with what I'm writing, what is wrong with simply utterly ignoring me?

The truth is, unless another is perfectly understood, beforehand, then to call something virus, or hereronomous, without being so careful, is potentially to tread all over anothers autonomy, which is essentially an aspect of the very thing, heteronomy.

I deliberately posted the dictionary definitions of these words so as to obviate any personal subjectivity around the topics. The definitions of these words have not been questioned by any of those who disagree with what I am writing and yet I am using *both* terms as they are defined. I agree, it is utterly autonomous for an individual to choose heteronomy, absolutely: there is an entire planet full of individuals making this choice. It has inevitable consequences, this path, and that is entirely within their individual rights to choose this path and outcome. I repeatedly state that this is not the area of discussion that I am interested in- I am not interested in engaging with those who choose heteronomy and then wish to justify their decision- what is there to justify or defend? What seems to be the issue is that individuals do not like what they have chosen to be *identified* as heteronomy even if this is what they have chosen- they wish to choose one thing and insist that it is the other. The thing is not allowed to be properly named. Um, ok, so don't discuss this with me, because I'm going to keep pointing to the thing and call it what it is- and this apparently is somehow challenging their autonomy.

Does this mean the issue is that I'm challenging their autonomous right to call heteronomy whatever they like? This does not work for me, because then all that's recreated is the domination and control of the church in times gone by- it's not called murder, it's 'god's righteous will'. Blah. I'm not going to do that. So I have no issue if individuals want to call one thing another- they are free to create whatever threads to do this in, I will never set foot into their territories- but they're not satisfied with that. The church wasn't, either- it needed, demanded, that the natives kneel before their crosses and submit to the 'will of god' (or society, or the governor, or whatever other external authority they saw fit to install) and if the natives did not comply they were slaughtered. Every pogrom on earth has had its roots in precisely the same behaviour. I'm not a supporter because I'm interested in other ways that *don't* require victors and vanquished.

To uses one of those cliches that Mod is so incredibly fond of, What's good for the goose should be good for the gander. To demand respect of one's autonomy without extending that same respect, first and foremost, is a farce,

I agree utterly, and if you can show me an instance of where I have taken this stance with anyone I will be the first to clear up the error. Every word I've written has been up for scrutiny and thus it should be easy to highlight where I have not extended the same respect for the individual to follow their own autonomy. I have experienced a lot of reaction to what I write but no actual dialogue or exploration, just a great deal of criticism from certain quarters.

The Native Americans, when they came into contact with the starving Puritans, extended absolute autonomy and equanimity to these out of place individuals (as in, no idea of how to survive in their environment); they showed them how to survive and thrive in their environment. History has recorded how the Puritan settlers rewarded their Native American neighbours for their extension of autonomy and kindness. I do not personally extend the fullness of anything towards another until I know what sort of Being I am dealing with, who they demonstrate themselves to be, if their actions are backed by integrity and cohesion: if this automatic extension of autonomy is desirable then there can actually be no complaint regarding the actions of the President, for example, because it can be artfully argued that his actions of heteronomous dictatorship are entirely within the scope of his personal autonomy. It gets ridiculously convoluted and I don't go there: personally for me it is simple- is there integrity and cohesion, or not? If I am unsure, is this individual one I can openly discuss my perceptions and questions with, or not? If they are not the sort of individual with whom such conversations can be productive and co-creative, why would I do so? I would not, even though some would be absolutely quick to suggest that I am being 'judgemental' by choosing not to engage.

for the first thing that I understand about the nature of autonomy itself is that in it's true sense, it can never be threatened or taken away, not if one truly holds it.

Absolutely. I agree utterly. This, however, does not mean that autonomy will never uphold a boundary. Upholding a boundary frequently is interpreted by those who resent the boundary as infringing upon their autonomy, or 'defending' one's Self or any number of negative interpretations. I'm aware of this.

Every effort should be, not to defend it, but to extend it, and bless it in every other who comes along, which to my way of thinking will lead to it's promulgation amongst those who might be ready to receive something that might lead them further along their own parh to freedom.

I fully accept that this is your understanding and subjective experience. It's not mine. There have been many, many historical instances of peaceful, welcoming individuals endeavouring to raise the vibration of other individuals by example and tolerance; many of those peaceful Beings ended up dead or brutalised. I fully uphold your inalienable right to make your own choices around this; I would never suggest that you 'should' do what I do, or 'should not' do something else- that's not anything that would occur to me. I utterly accept that in your way of thinking extending a high level of autonomy towards all Beings will be the opportunity for those who 'might' be ready to receive something. I have been doing this in my own way here. I'm getting the result of this. I keep holding out my hands and saying 'look, if you don't like what I'm saying I accept that, it's nothing *personal*, I am just one Being and you don't have to listen to a *single word I say*, it's really easy!'. Apparently it's really easy to *my* way of thinking, not theirs. Ok.

Given that, in my understanding, every person is potentially an autonomous being, I should endeavor to facilitate every person in reaching such understanding within themselves, which to my way of thinking will not be served by trying to constantly illustrating where the other person is not. Show them, from where they are, how to get to where they are going.

I appreciate your sharing your perspective and path with regards this. I will keep writing, and triangulating my perspective, and being careful to use and refer to the dictionary definitions of things with a view to discussing the ideas. I utterly accept that this is your understanding and that you feel called to this way of doing things.

With much love, I present my thoughts on the matter.

Thanks for expressing your perspective and path.

songsfortheotherkind

24th June 2012, 12:46

So, about that open source, co-creative exploration into autonomy I was engaging in....

Anchor

24th June 2012, 13:17

Well made it page 62. Not a bad start. I have 10 bookmarks to go back to.

Sui Generis, Fallen angels, Annunaki, Abuse, Violence, Dreams, Virus, Slidiness, Parallel existences

Got some questions emerging, some precursory conclusions. Going to wait till I caught up though.

So I'm going to sleep now to see how that information looks in the morning.

Night all.

RunningDeer

24th June 2012, 14:20

Borden

24th June 2012, 14:49

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Cerridwen

24th June 2012, 14:54

You know, you were right- nobody realised that picture I posted was of me. *grinning*

I knew. :bounce:

onawah

24th June 2012, 15:23

Thanks Songs. Paul is helping me with this, when he has time, though it's slow going. You have enough to do...
I can sometimes paste images, but other times it doesn't work, depending on copyrights, types of images, etc.
Sometimes all I can do is paste the image location, so readers have to click on the link to see the image.
It staggers my mind when I get even an inkling how complex it is to negotiate on a computer, what with all the different programs, combinations of programs, etc.
I'm kind of amazed I ever got over my computer phobia enough to even learn the basics.
What I really need now are some more classes.
I will have to check into that, and see what is available locally.

I wish some kind Being would direct me to a tutorial in posting images on the forum and on my profile page.

In order to post pics on the forum, the picture must be hosted online somewhere, either in an online album or on your own site. To post a pic from your online album you click on the picture so that you get the full size one you want, you can either right click on the picture and select the 'copy image address' option, or you can highlight the address in the address bar.

You come here to the forum, find where you want to post your image and you use the buttons above the dialogue box to post your pic. In the buttons there is an icon that to me looks like a tree- when you mouse over it the words 'insert image' comes up. Click on that, and a box will appear: paste the address of the pic you want to post into the address bar in the box and click ok. You can then preview your post to make sure the link worked.

See how that goes. ;)

onawah

24th June 2012, 15:31

The Four Agreements are so helpful in communicating.

The Four Agreements are:

1. Be Impeccable with your Word: Speak with integrity. Say only what you mean. Avoid using the Word to speak against yourself or to gossip about others. Use the power of your Word in the direction of truth and love.

2. Don’t Take Anything Personally
Nothing others do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own reality, their own dream. When you are immune to the opinions and actions of others, you won’t be the victim of needless suffering.

3. Don’t Make Assumptions
Find the courage to ask questions and to express what you really want. Communicate with others as clearly as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness and drama. With just this one agreement, you can completely transform your life.

4. Always Do Your Best
Your best is going to change from moment to moment; it will be different when you are healthy as opposed to sick. Under any circumstance, simply do your best, and you will avoid self-judgment, self-abuse, and regret.
http://www.toltecspirit.com/

With just this one agreement, you can completely transform your life.
So true, and with that in mind, I remind myself also to avoid projecting.
So much of the time, the things we assume about others is simply a product of projecting something about ourselves or some picture we have in our minds onto another person.
It can seem so real, and so shocking when we discover it actually has nothing to do with that person, but was all a hallucination which we created and imposed onto them.

If I can stand to have my remarks come under your critical dissection and not :mad2: :rant: :boom: , then hopefully others will also see there is value in the process. I feel like I am undergoing some very vital de-programming, for which I :thank_you2:

As I said to you at the time, it wasn't personal, it was about the signal, and you lived into the evolution that *you* want to have. You're making your Self, crafting your *own* Art and expression, and that's the awesome thing, from my perspective: everyone already always has *their own* unique signal; sometimes we are in a unique position to help each other triangulate. :)

songsfortheotherkind

24th June 2012, 15:52

You know, you were right- nobody realised that picture I posted was of me. *grinning*

I knew. :bounce:

*laughing hugs* yeah, well, you had an advantage...

Cerridwen

24th June 2012, 16:40

Onawah, I'm not sure how everybody else does it, but I use my Photobucket account to post images. When I see an image I like, I drag it onto my Desktop, then I upload it into Photobucket, from there I get the 'img' code and copy & paste it here in my post. When I do it that way I don't even need to use the little tree icon.

Here's a few places I'd like to be right now. :)

http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy227/CerridwenSoap/Pics/images-34.jpg

http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy227/CerridwenSoap/Pics/images-33.jpg

http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy227/CerridwenSoap/Pics/images-32.jpg

I'm sure there's an easier way to do this, but I haven't a clue how to go about it.:o This works for me.

Cerridwen

24th June 2012, 17:03

onawah

24th June 2012, 17:13

I definitely feel like a simpleton a lot , especially when it comes to computers! :frusty::smash:
Though it's more of a love/hate relationship, really, because I would feel so cut off without mine...

I think it's when I think I'm brilliant that I get into trouble.

Thanks for the Photobucket tip, Cerredwin.
I love those fields of lavender!

onawah

24th June 2012, 20:46

Cerridwen

24th June 2012, 22:08

Anchor

24th June 2012, 22:51

Curt

24th June 2012, 23:32

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-uWyCmnwIE&feature=related

Bordon and Songsy, much love and support to you both.

See you when you get back.

Curt

24th June 2012, 23:56

Well, it's a quick shot of whiskey and then back to my 2 week break.

Just wanted to stop in and say hello to the gang, and maybe drop a little video I like to play when I catch myself taking things seriously.

From the genius of Mr Bill Hicks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZkhR8suCF4

Cerridwen

25th June 2012, 02:23

Whiskey_Mystic

25th June 2012, 02:33

Since I've never did post in the other thread, I'm just going to keep my Self here in the Pub for now. No point in me stirring up the pot over there now. I was *this close*, but deleted it. *Sigh*

Songs and Borden, I love you both! :grouphug:

Such a shame. Borden is one of my very fave Avalonians. I am posting this so he will see it. I'm keeping your bar stool warm until ya get back, Borden. Chin up, mate. First round will be on me.

RunningDeer

25th June 2012, 03:18

I am a Simpleton

Knock, knock, who's there? Nobody. Nobody who even cares to figure it out.

I am learning to accept what I am - an honest Simpleton. I'm appreciative when a flash of insight and creativity mix with this simpleton template. I get to share what tickles me in that moment.

It's coming up on five months that I've been a part of the Avalon Family. I don't recall when I ever wasn't. I'm blown away at people's thoughts, experiences, and most importantly, the communication styles. It seems all are becoming more adept with their opinions. Either that I'm a more adept Simpleton.

Being a Simpleton has it's perks. Low expectations, means more room for insight and creativity. And I have more energy because this mind/body template points it's fingers almost never with laughing and guilting at the unused piles of books.

I'm getting better at not convincing myself and others that I know more than I really do. Man, pressures off. Do you know how freeing that is?

I am a Simpleton. The secret's out. There is a nagging feel. But even that doesn't matter. I hope I don't wake up and see it's a dream. There's still residual memory of old patterns, but like a sweaty palm print on a school desk top, that's fading.

Knock, knock, who's there? Nobody. Nobody who even cares to figure it out.

So I come to Pub to check in with Family. I like that I can do that, and I am accepted even though I Am unable to squeeze comprehension out from a sweaty palm print.

Time to make the jello. Feels like a lemon lime. That tickles.

I can relate to all of this too. :)

Now I've had this song in my head all morning since reading what you wrote!

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Speaking of being a Simpleton, I love the Four Agreements also. Simple and to the point, with easy to understand examples and stories.

ETA: Crap. Onawah already saw this post. I hope you don't think I was calling you a Simpleton! :nono: I just ment me. :hug:

Hello Cerridwen,

Four Agreements is good. It's things you know but sometimes it helps to hear another voice. I got the lastest book which applies these principles to "The Mastery of Love: The Practical Guide of Relationship."

Below is the part two of the Simpleton: If I were to state it another way, it just means for me to get over myself. Perfection is already there. So the work is removal. One way is throught acceptance.

Part Two:
Simpleton, is only word. I am a simpleton by comparison to the great intellectuals. Aspiration to be the same is not a genuine life path. Happy to see it finally, ready to let it go.

In order to come to terms with who and what I am and am not, I need to acknowledge the false that I'm living as truth. I'm accepting that it is unrealistic and a waste of precious energy.

In the purity of the moment, coming to terms with long held beliefs of what others may think is an area that needs cleansing. They'll see what they see. But those that read the essence of what/who I am, then no explanation is needed; even that need not be my business.

Nature intended freshness and clear streaming from Heart and Higher Mind. I see it is long over due.

It's been nice visiting with you, Cerridwen. Next time I stop by I'll bring lattes for all the Pub Patrons. Until then :hug:

onawah

25th June 2012, 03:48

Here are a few tunes dedicated to Songs and Borden from a band that I used to really enjoy live when I lived in the San Francisco Bay area, Dan Hicks and His Hot Licks
Milk shakes for everyone!!

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Debra

25th June 2012, 04:42

For Publians who are not aware of it. Songs and Borden have been put on a week's vacation by Paul, for "energy vampirism".
See:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46461-So-how-much-transformation-is-actually-wanted-really/page10

Thanks for the heads up. Very interesting. I admit I've only half followed that thread because I haven't really had the time to spend on it and add my own thoughts.

The Pub's going to get really quite now.

No no no no - to me this is ridiculous.

I have been reading that thread. It is bold and absolutely needed.

I just don´t understand. Well, I do I suppose. An evolutionary pathway with some serious merit - in my estimation - is happening.

Yet some people are simply not open to it. I do not have any problem with ideas being challenged.

However, what is not understood, is so rarely questioned.

Instead - an old debating paradigm continues - defense, personal attack, railroading.

I am being blunt, and I know it.

Songs and Borden are just calling what they are seeing. And so is everyone else as far as I am concerned, except there are some differences. And what I mean by that, is the difference between calling on the bulls#t in a clean and transparent way, compared with using dirty undercurrents that carry intent to hurt, blame, belittle and shame. How many threads are railroaded and members are wounded on this forum?

A lot I think.

It is low level. Words can hurt. Can´t people see this? Sure, some people manage to disengage emotionally, in this kind of battle - consciously. But what is happening unconsciously? Beneath the surface? Plenty of damage - I would say.

I think this is a huge problem. Should we not be grabbing this thread and working through it to draw out the bacteria that continually gets re-introduced and infects everything again, over and over? This is a conflict but it is a perfect opportunity to start practicing compassion and unconditional love. Instead of stomping on the ideas of others, who are expressing something *other*

OK, I don´t have a problem with what Songs is presenting - it is a work in progress and an exciting one. I think it holds enormous promise - and just as important as grand ideas with moral and ethical compass that have preceded.

However, it is obvious to me anyway, that a cycle of enforcing or imposing ideas through all tactics possible, keeps turning ad nausem.

How freaking exhausting. We could be asking useful questions, to help these ideas mature and form.

But it is fascinating, nonetheless, this turn of events. Very telling. Also tells me that something very important is taking place - people are seriously challenged, and that is rich, that is great. All over the thread, this virus has been exposed. Not everyone agrees, but I do see it. I know it very well - because I know it in me first - and I certainly know it by now when it is being dished out by others.

My question is: how can we help people see when the virus bubbles up as they post about the forum?

You must know it. Those moments, those turns of phrase with meaning loaded in text, between the text, that flutters through in an instant to thump someone, elicit something, devalue an idea, lord over or just to box someone in. I don´t think people are really conscious of this most of the time. For me, this is the epicentre of breakdown in human relations. I would not be writing this, if I did not believe this to be a problem.

The debate culture is about winning for one side only. At least, that is the level that I witness and experience many, many times on this forum.

In my heart and understanding, I believe that the underpinning principals of this evolution - that Songs is working to articulate - is inherently good.

This is an understanding that I have come to. I am still exploring it for myself, of course. It is not a finished process by any means. And during my early engagement with Songs, when she first appeared on the forum, I admit freely that I was triggered -- but I knew within myself I had to check in with my own resistance - first!

I moved beyond being hands down critical. Instead, I began to question and scope out for myself: what is the essence of *this* that triggers me, but also intrigues me?

Eventually, I started to try on this template of Sui Generis, because I am an explorer. But also, because I am inherently creative and honour that urge, which I believe is in all of us. Creativity - for me - is a way of enquiry and other disciplines I believe all have some requirements for creativity, in order to be realised . And especially to produce solutions for advancement and evolution.

As an artist in conventional terms but also in the creation of my own life, I recognise that I have to be open to all possibilities and therefore to move with the current that I am examining and endeavouring to reflect and express.

I have to, otherwise my outcome is not a work of art that extends and enriches the meaning of life - and takes me forward.

So, I guess that Song´s emerging dialectic resonates with me. It *adds* and generously - to a field of enquiry and practice in art, communication and healing - that has taken up most of my life.

I also look respectfully to others on this forum as well. Some amazing thinkers - some beautiful perspectives abound that inspire and feed me. So many different pearls of wisdom and knowledge to be found here. From old traditions to new.

I am grateful for all incoming.

I just wish that dialogue was understood more - as a template for engagement with each other, and not debate. But as Songs is pointing out, the issue of heteronomy - keeping autonomy in check - is the likely killer here.

I believe it is a thick, brick wall standing in the way. Unfortunately, too few are prepared to pull such a wall apart or at least take a look at the cracks and fill them boldly with some new blood mortar.

In the theatre and performance arts, where I have spent many years, there is a term that we give to redundant forms of theatre. The term is *dead theatre* to denote a form that no longer speaks to new audiences. So of course, theatre has had to change radically to survive. Just like energy - we use to help run our lives - we need to change over to become clean and free to meet other more critical planetary needs.

So too must we evolve in our relationships and communication with each other.

fvPpAPIIZyo

onawah

25th June 2012, 06:00

So beautifully expressed, Zebra.
Everyone's imperfections come out to the forefront when this happens on the forum, and even more so this time, I believe.
I too have been very triggered by many of Songs posts, but it has been very instructive for me to see how and why.
I also could almost sense this situation coming, though not exactly how or when, and might have issued more warnings..
Perhaps naked honesty will actually prove to be better for all this time and in the long run than subtlety, diplomacy and tact.
We have to know how to grow beyond the rules and regulations at some point, or always be limited by them.
Everything is in flux now, and we must learn to grow with the changes ourselves, to forgive, learn and continue growing beyond the pettiness and the mistakes we've made along the way.
Nothing is fixed, nothing is permanent...
Clinging to the past ultimately causes more pain than embracing with vulnerability the uncertainty that change can bring.

Cerridwen

25th June 2012, 11:41

Great post as always, Zebra!

Debra

25th June 2012, 13:22

Oi, I just had a collection of images and text .. and accidently pushed a wrong button :)

Thanks Cerridwen and Onawah. I see you too Curtis :p

http://evolvewithmassage.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/crystals.168204313_std.JPG

I saved this image though .. a little healing and rejuvenation is in order. Really don´t care for some of the comments out there in the forum at the moment, on another thread especially. The tone is still pretty denigrating, I feel - although I did take a look at Fred's videos of his manatee. Man, that is so cool. He has good energy to be attracting this beautiful creature.

However, I too will stay in here for a while Cerridwen. Take a cat nap before I hit the astral.

I contacted Songs and she wrote to say that she is ok, a little dumbfounded by the turn of events - but who wouldn´t be? Others around the forum have shown some fantastic support, which really gives me heart. People are getting it!

That, I said, is what I think is important - the work she has started and is evolving. She asked if I would relay this:

''Please let the Pub know I'm cool and froody and absolutely know where my towel is.''

I have sent Borden a message of support as well - no word back yet - but when he is ready, I am sure he will let us know. I hope so.

http://www.lowimpactliving.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/cob-house-stove.jpg

Cob houses have been seducing me today -- I wonder what tinctures you are making at the moment, Cerridwen .. what secret teas do you have brewing?

Mike

25th June 2012, 13:36

i always thought it was tacky to whine n bitch about bannings and vacations, so i won't start now. after all, Songs *did* deserve it, right? she *is* EVIL, isn't she?:p

Borden, if i don't hear from you as soon as you get back i'm going to pogo-stick across the Atlantic and slap the ever-loving sh#t out of you.
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meanwhile, here's something to do in the free-time you're going to have:2fJkcsOkRb0

anyway, you 2 vampires have fun while you're away. try to get all your blood-sucking outta the way while you're out, so when you get back we'll all be safe and protected.
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love n light,
Mike

Debra

25th June 2012, 13:46

This is a great collection from Dan Hicks Onawah. Digging it. Wish I grew up around San Fran -- Never been there - only to LA. Those females with him are awesome - eccentric. I love the upright bass too. They know how to bring it together and go off course with style. Thanks.

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I like the relationship Leonard Cohen has with his female singers .. together they flows, so effortlessley. And the violin .. aah :p

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This track, Undertow, from the Dear Heather album - makes me swoon. Sax and voices ...

Debra

25th June 2012, 13:51

Yes Chinaski,

Lift us up, baby ;) up and out:

http://jadedressler.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/lady-gaga-terence-koh-cfda-terry-richardson1.jpg

Mike

25th June 2012, 13:54

Yes Chinaski,

Lift us up, baby ;) up and out:

http://jadedressler.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/lady-gaga-terence-koh-cfda-terry-richardson1.jpg

you got it baby!;)

(your post was awesome, btw!)

Debra

25th June 2012, 14:01

Yes .. and more to study so you return empowered with thousands more

Beware, the Vampire Lovers ... MWAHAHAHA

StTTfl8SU5k

Debra

25th June 2012, 14:12

you got it baby!;)

(your post was awesome, btw!)

I beg to differ ...LEST WE FORGET CHINASKI, THIS POST ROCKED:

if someone *chooses* the heteronomy, then aren't they by definition exercising autonomy? for example, if one selects, as a faith, something many here would consider heteronomous, like Christianity, using good ol' fashion free-will, what would we call that? -- autonomous heteronomy?;) (Borden, may i have a glass of that chilled paradox tea, please?)

what if a member begins to share thoughts that appear heteronomous (God, that's an annoying word to spell) to the majority here, but said member does not recognize or believe them to be heteronomous, and in fact believes themselves to be quite autonomous; and furthermore feels that those accusing her/him of heteronomy are themselves acting in a spirit of heteronomy....ok ok i think you guys get the point: objectivity is a myth.

in a related thought, if a tree falls in a forest and nobody is around to hear it.......................

Songs, if i know you like i think i do, you'll likely point out that many who practice Christianity (following my original example) didn't choose at all, and were, in fact, likely victims of virus manipulation -- and in many instances you'd be absolutely correct. but i guess my question would be: at what point does the 'virus' stuff stop and personal responsibility start?

at it's best, i think virus recognition and deletion can be enlightening and even life changing; but at it's worst paranoia inspiring , and i imagine if i indulged it too much i might be spending my days questioning everything right down to the color of my socks. at it's best, i imagine it can be spiritually liberating and soul refreshing; at it's worst it can sound just as bad as the rest of the fear mongering on the forum. i suppose i exist somewhere between the 2 extremes; my position changes daily.

hey, am i even on topic here?;) maybe i should be posting this in the pub?

embarrassing confession, Songs: this whole time i thought you were speaking metaphorically when you spoke of the mind virus. but if i understood you correctly recently, you believe it to be something else entirely, no? something *real*? and you may be right, and probably are; i acknowledge that you have explored corners of the etheric realms and various other realms i can't even mention here out of sheer ignorance, and i acknowledge my utter impotence regarding such matters; but if you take something like the virus and grant it a certain sort of reality, believing it to be partially responsible for many of the things you say and do, and discuss it endlessly, do you not then give it a power it wouldn't have otherwise had? do you not then, in some way, surrender a bit of your autonomy? do you not in some way forfeit personal responsibility? is it really too different from imagining a God in the sky or a devil in hell, saying yes to this and no to that, according to arbitrary whim and fancy?

these questions, btw, aren't meant to be confrontational -- just intended to spark discussion. i'm excited for your response and know it will be wonderfully enlightening and mind-blowing. i'll be disappointed if it isn't!;)

what i love about your message (and why i always felt religious/spiritual belief systems to be incomplete -- amongst other things) is that it includes things and ideas found nowhere else on the planet as far as i know, like distilling avatars and exploring slidier realms etc...your recent emphasis on autonomy and heteronomy is vital, and i'm thrilled you're taking the lead here and shining a light on it. the problem, ive always felt, is that otherwise autonomous people are, from their birth, constantly asked to declare allegiances (Virus!!!) to country, political party, religious faith etc, and things have become so black n white, so nuance deficient, that minds and spirits have atrophied to the point of impotence, incurable by conventional means, and are slowly drifting towards an insidious heteronomy -- one that they don't even realize is infecting their minds and spirits.

i don't know the answers, but it's not gonna stop me from going to the store right this second to pick up a 6 pack of guinness, a fat hamburger from Wendy's, and then eventually phoning that blond chick i met last night, having her come over, then...(fill in x-rated fantasy here...*or*... fill in alleged charming come-on followed by humiliating rejection followed by a fitful night of sleep thinking of what i would be doing if i hadn't been so shamefully rejected)

p.s. Songs, this would be a wonderful opportunity for you to highlight my hypocrisy regarding excessively wordy posts. please take it. i've never deserved it more;)

This is quality response - this is what we are talking about! Review and learn readers. I charted this one OFF the charts: *THE VIRUS FREE RESPONSE OF THE WEEK*

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Bo9_sGpuJNI/TcA1GX5OaVI/AAAAAAAAGGk/b5tDz2c-Qg4/s1600/IMG_1504.JPG
*Deserves a cake! Wish I could pen this well*