Welcome to The Pub At the End of the Universe.

[Curt]

Wow. I'm really no good at taking this break I keep insisting I need.

I'm watching the Power of Myth, an interview with Joseph Campbell from just before he died in 1987

He had such an expansive way of looking at myth and metaphor, and such a wealth of stories-- which he didn't just tell for the sake of telling them, but seemingly for the sake of opening up new ways of thinking to his audience.

He's helped me understand a great deal.

He suggests looking past the masks and the metaphors toward the sublime substance they give temporary form to.

And he speaks about never getting hung up on these masks and metaphors--that we must be willing to go past them and back to source to bring back the pure source in new forms.

The reason for this is that metaphors die, or at least, they fail to be useful. They need to be replaced.

I think it's a worthwhile endeavor to create these new metaphors, the new myths.

And at her best, I think a large part of what Songsy and some others here at the pub are doing is just that, i.e., going to source, and bringing back the raw source material.

The process is a bit fiery and hot--a bit like a volcano, but maybe that's just how it is.

So anyway, for those who are so inclined, (said in my best Ed Sullivan impression)... Mr. Joseph Campbell (clapping)....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxWnaDCXICc

[Curt]

And now, just a little bit of Bob Marley.......and a whiskey chaser.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XiYUYcpsT4&feature=related

[onawah]

Cerredwin wrote:

The Pub's going to get really quiet now.
I'm sure we are all delighted to note that Publians are still raising their glasses here for our "vacationing" friends and I hope it continues until they return, as a show of support. :cheer2:

Zebra wrote:

I contacted Songs and she wrote to say that she is ok, a little dumbfounded by the turn of events - but who wouldn´t be? Others around the forum have shown some fantastic support, which really gives me heart. People are getting it!

That, I said, is what I think is important - the work she has started and is evolving. She asked if I would relay this:

''Please let the Pub know I'm cool and froody and absolutely know where my towel is.''


Thanks for relaying that, Zebra.
I hope we hear from Borden soon too.
If he reads this, I recommend he watches the Dan Hicks vids...I think they will cheer him up.
Please, Zebra, if you have a moment, could you provide links to where the conversation elsewhere on the forum has been supportive of Songs? Thanks. :thank_you2:

Dan Hicks really struck gold when he found the original Lickettes. Maryann Price's vibrato gives me pleasurable goosebumps.
Fantastic harmonizing by the Lickettes is most evident in the song "Euphonious Whale", which I'm still looking for on youtube.

I lived for about 5 years in Mill Valley, where Dan had a reputation for being thrown out of bars for disreputable, drunken behavior, but was always admitted back because he was so entertaining even while drunk and behaving disreputably (or perhaps it was especially while drunk and behaving disreputably.) :lol:
He's still going pretty strong:

y1CNIWuQU74

Other names of note in Marin County (where Mill Valley is situated), just across the Golden Gate Bridge from S.F. were members of the Grateful Dead and Jefferson Airplane and Zen philosopher Alan Watts.
I lived on Mt. Tamalpais in Mill Valley for a couple of years, where I was live-in housekeeper and cook on a beautiful estate on Fern Canyon Road, which we called "Ferncake" for short.
You never knew who you might encounter on the trail above the estate, where hikers and runners were always plentiful.

Chinaski, that post really was awesome, especially this:

what i love about your message (and why i always felt religious/spiritual belief systems to be incomplete -- amongst other things) is that it includes things and ideas found nowhere else on the planet as far as i know, like distilling avatars and exploring slidier realms etc...your recent emphasis on autonomy and heteronomy is vital, and i'm thrilled you're taking the lead here and shining a light on it. the problem, ive always felt, is that otherwise autonomous people are, from their birth, constantly asked to declare allegiances (Virus!!!) to country, political party, religious faith etc, and things have become so black n white, so nuance deficient, that minds and spirits have atrophied to the point of impotence, incurable by conventional means, and are slowly drifting towards an insidious heteronomy -- one that they don't even realize is infecting their minds and spirits.

I discovered myself on that drifting slide into heteronomy, and I am very grateful to Songs and crew for the wakeup call.

I hate to be the one to bring this up ( and please spare the messenger), but for anyone who was around when another popular non-conforming Australian, Lord Sidious, got banned from the forum, you will know what I mean when I say I hope we can help to avoid another such scenario...
Or at least locate another venue away from Avalon where the discussion and the play can continue unhampered, just in case...
..
Here's some more from Dan (for all you vampire fans) from the album It Happened One Bite
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And Mary Ann Price singing some real Western nostalgia in Skippy's Last Stand with the Hot Licks band
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Zebra, I agree, Cohen's backup singers are hypnotic, so in synch with him.

Songs, this one is for you, one of my favorite Cohen songs, One of us Cannot be Wrong, a funny one...performed live at this first youtube link
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And here is the recording from the album, which I like best because of the ending when his voice breaks and trails off in a sort of mad primal scream...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQe6mLW4UnA


One of us Cannot be Wrong, by Leonard Cohen
I lit a thin green candle
To make you jealous of me,
But the room just filled up with mosquitoes
They heard that my body was free
Then I took the dust of a long sleepless night
And I put it in your little shoe,
Then I confess that I tortured the dress
That you wore for the world to look through.

I showed my heart to the doctor
He said I'd just have to quit
Then he wrote himself a prescription
And your name was mentioned in it,
Then he locked himself in a library shelf
With the details of our honeymoon
And I hear from the nurse that he's gotten much worse
And his practice is all in a ruin.

I heard of a saint who had loved you
So I studied all night in his school
He taught that the duty of lovers
Is to tarnish the golden rule,
And just when I was sure that his teachings were pure
He drowned himself in the pool,
His body is gone, but back here on the lawn
His spirit continues to drool.

An eskimo showed me a movie
He'd recently taken of you
The poor man could hardly stop shivering,
His lips and his fingers were blue
I suppose that he froze when the wind took your clothes
And I guess he just never got warm
But you stand there so nice in your blizzard of ice
O please let me come into the storm.

[RunningDeer]

We miss you, Calz.

Yeah, Cerridwen! Thanks for upload pics instruction.

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Calz/Yoda1.JPG

[RunningDeer]

Next time I stop by I'll bring lattes for all the Pub Patrons.


I stopped by for a special delivery. http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/balloons-smiley.gif?1292867552

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Foods/latte-sl-701146-l.JPG

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Foods/cookies1.JPG

[another bob]

Dan Hicks really struck gold when he found the original Lickettes. Maryann Price's vibrato gives me pleasurable goosebumps.
Fantastic harmonizing by the Lickettes is most evident in the song "Euphonious Whale", which I'm still looking for on youtube.


My favorite of theirs:

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I lived on Mt. Tamalpais in Mill Valley for a couple of years....You never knew who you might encounter on the trail above the estate

Yeah, like the Zodiac guy!

I used to hike Mt. Tam back in the day, till that fellow showed up.

[onawah]

The "Zodiac guy" that Bob is referring to is the "Zodiac Killer" , a serial killer who committed murder on the trail on Mt. Tamalpais.
Luckily for me, I had moved away shortly before he struck there.
But he struck again very close to where I moved to, in the Santa Cruz Mountains, much to my dismay, on another walking trail.
I think I spotted him one day, driving by, as I was doing some shopping in town.
I didn't have any idea at the time why I got such a chill and why this man's aura looked so incredibly dirty to me, even though I don't usually see auras that well, but a big alarm went off inside of me.
It wasn't long after that that he was apprehended, thank the Goddess...

[another bob]

It wasn't long after that that he was apprehended, thank the Goddess...

If I'm not mistaken, he was never apprehended. There was a recent movie about him, with Robert Downey JR., and every couple of years, some story comes out about somebody claiming to have finally figured out who the guy was. In fact, I recall reading one earlier this year, in the msm.

[Cerridwen]

Oi, I just had a collection of images and text .. and accidently pushed a wrong button :)

I hate when that happens!




Cob houses have been seducing me today -- I wonder what tinctures you are making at the moment, Cerridwen .. what secret teas do you have brewing?

Hmmm... nothing *secret* coming out of the cauldron. Just sipping on some lavender and chamomile iced tea sweetened with a bit of honey right now. I am teaching myself how to preserve fruit and make jam. The family/guinea pigs are really enjoying that learning experience.

I've also been making lots of handmade soap. That's one of the things that has kept me away from the forum lately. I sell them at my little local farmer's market. :)

[onawah]

Well, they apprehended somebody who they thought was the killer in the Santa Cruz Mountains when I was there, anyway...
And I don't think he struck around there again, at least, since the subject went off my radar after that.



It wasn't long after that that he was apprehended, thank the Goddess...

If I'm not mistaken, he was never apprehended. There was a recent movie about him, with Robert Downey JR., and every couple of years, some story comes out about somebody claiming to have finally figured out who the guy was. In fact, I recall reading one earlier this year, in the msm.

[RunningDeer]

:ranger: Great post, Zebra,

I can share why I keep coming back to the Pub, and specifically in support for Songs or anyone else that fits this at Avalon: I never feel judged nor hear a tone of judgement in Songs' responses to my ideas. She shares another way of seeing. Respect and compassion works for me. I'd add Borden here, too. He took a public stand in defending me from someone who crossed a sacred line when I was only a week or so into my one and only forum experience; and has continued to honor who I am through PM.

I don't expect everyone to agree. But if someone goes into attack mode, my shields go up. http://swordsofmightforum.com/images/smilies/elf.gif And for a time great ideas are lost from a Poster until I can work through my judgements about their judgements. For me, it really is only words and evolving ideas.

My goal is interaction with You All, the Evolving Family, and how We are evolving. I've seen individuals in only four months that I'm here at Avalon, go from angry, harsh vibes to someone that I follow somewhat regularly. It's one barometer. I am encouraged when I see we continue to remember we are Great Beings girdled in body suits.

On to another topic that I'd like to pass along to Everyone, and not just at the Pub:

Because I am a Simpleton...(another word, another label: What the heck, I'm a work in progress)

... Because I am a Simpleton complex posts required a lot of energy that I'd rather use towards discovery of my inner Light Warrior. So out of respect and care for a member, I'll will skim their post. If a phrase or sentence jumps out then I let that be my guide to read with additional attention. This synchronistic system has always worked for me. And it just means that I have a different road map. That’s all, nothing personal.






For Publians who are not aware of it. Songs and Borden have been put on a week's vacation by Paul, for "energy vampirism".
See:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46461-So-how-much-transformation-is-actually-wanted-really/page10

Thanks for the heads up. Very interesting. I admit I've only half followed that thread because I haven't really had the time to spend on it and add my own thoughts.

The Pub's going to get really quite now.

No no no no - to me this is ridiculous.

I have been reading that thread. It is bold and absolutely needed.

I just don´t understand. Well, I do I suppose. An evolutionary pathway with some serious merit - in my estimation - is happening.

Yet some people are simply not open to it. I do not have any problem with ideas being challenged.

However, what is not understood, is so rarely questioned.

Instead - an old debating paradigm continues - defense, personal attack, railroading.

I am being blunt, and I know it.

Songs and Borden are just calling what they are seeing. And so is everyone else as far as I am concerned, except there are some differences. And what I mean by that, is the difference between calling on the bulls#t in a clean and transparent way, compared with using dirty undercurrents that carry intent to hurt, blame, belittle and shame. How many threads are railroaded and members are wounded on this forum?

A lot I think.

It is low level. Words can hurt. Can´t people see this? Sure, some people manage to disengage emotionally, in this kind of battle - consciously. But what is happening unconsciously? Beneath the surface? Plenty of damage - I would say.

[RunningDeer]

you got it baby!;)

(your post was awesome, btw!)


I beg to differ ...LEST WE FORGET CHINASKI, THIS POST ROCKED:

I agree, but I am partial to Chinaski Mike.

http://www.pic4ever.com/images/wind14.gif His crossroads are coming up faster than he can post those "off color" pics. All good turns I might add. If anyone sees this, I'd suggest you nab him. Pay for training, 100 fold on your return investment if you only think in terms of money. Priceless at the subtle levels.

....................................http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/wet-kiss-smiley.gif?1292867699

[RunningDeer]

Ho'oponopono

I'm sorry
Please forgive me
I love you
Thank you

http://www.pic4ever.com/images/wind14.gif Dropping by with a delivery. Happy balloons....http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/balloons-smiley.gif?1292867552

[RunningDeer]

Wow. I'm really no good at taking this break I keep insisting I need.

I'm watching the Power of Myth, an interview with Joseph Campbell from just before he died in 1987
Hello CurtisW,
An ego brag: I was there in the library with the spiral stair case at George Lucas', "Sky Walker Ranch," where Joseph Campbell was taped. (Just not at the same time.)

I use to listen and read anything I could get a hold of from Joseph Campbell. The one thing I had to work really hard to get past was his beliefs about no God. Back then, I a had limited understanding on such things. He's was a gentle Soul.

Enjoy your vacation! http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/marshmallow-smiley.gif?1292867635 http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/camp-fire-smiley.gif?1292867563

[Debra]

:ranger: Great post, Zebra,

I can share why I keep coming back to the Pub, and specifically in support for Songs or anyone else that fits this at Avalon: I never feel judged nor hear a tone of judgement in Songs' responses to my ideas. She shares another way of seeing. Respect and compassion works for me. I'd add Borden here, too. He took a public stand in defending me from someone who crossed a sacred line when I was only a week or so into my one and only forum experience; and has continued to honor who I am through PM.

I don't expect everyone to agree. But if someone goes into attack mode, my shields go up. http://swordsofmightforum.com/images/smilies/elf.gif And for a time great ideas are lost from a Poster until I can work through my judgements about their judgements. For me, it really is only words and evolving ideas.

My goal is interaction with You All, the Evolving Family, and how We are evolving. I've seen individuals in only four months that I'm here at Avalon, go from angry, harsh vibes to someone that I follow somewhat regularly. It's one barometer. I am encouraged when I see we continue to remember we are Great Beings girdled in body suits.

On to another topic that I'd like to pass along to Everyone, and not just at the Pub:

Because I am a Simpleton...(another word, another label: What the heck, I'm a work in progress)

... Because I am a Simpleton complex posts required a lot of energy that I'd rather use towards discovery of my inner Light Warrior. So out of respect and care for a member, I'll will skim their post. If a phrase or sentence jumps out then I let that be my guide to read with additional attention. This synchronistic system has always worked for me. And it just means that I have a different road map. That’s all, nothing





Those are beautiful words Paula. I too hope that others eventually see what we see in Songs. Borden as well. I value his words and level of truth HIGHLY.

I am still holding onto energy here. Please allow me this, forgive me but I am no fool and I am angered when I see freedom of ideas quashed, but more so when i see the right of an individual to be who they are, judged so harshly and sentenced.

Here at the pub authenticity is the code .. Without naming it. We have the safety here to be who we are, and if that entails wearing some loud clothes sometimes and doing some installations and performance - where is the harm in that? More importantly, it happens to be our personal expression in creative exploration to mine for meaning. I now understand how some just don't get that. How can charges of new world order and energy vampirism be laid down by the pot calling the kettle black?

There are important processes occurring here and not just with and for Songs. this pub is an experiential learning realm. it is relational and it is self directed. Critically, it is potent. Of course it is not for everyone .. But it is a good hang if you need to brush up on chilling out and getting intense in a beautiful ballet of creativity. Why would anyone want to devalue that?

This is a hub for us .. an innovation laboratory with just as much value as a visit to some other established hubs like the free energy zone with Wade Frazier. in my world, we bring disciplines together to play with creative processes to enhance and expand the parameters of otherwise mind dominated projects. To shift fixed thinking to see what is possible and to produce solutions for healthy evolution. This is, as Borden so aptly said, supposed to be an alternative Forum!

Personal exploration needs to be honoured. Respected. Supported.

Which brings me to your 'simpleton'
I have watched you evolve this profile and I am intrigued .. It is your choice and I smilingly consider why you are drawn to it because it is like looking at this children's treasure map (so exciting) being viewed by a team of elves and other elementals deep in the forest and held by this wise child with fair skin and hair and big, questioning blue pool eyes (the one they call Whitecrowblackdeer of course). Together they search the clues on the crinkly, star dusted map for a forever place where one can enter and dwell within at choosing the most open, clearest place within the heart, a place where it is simply is.

The generous yet clear canvas space of the simpleton.

But don't be fooled by the word simple, for it is the child like wonder that clothes this special wizard that you perhaps seek within yourself young Whitecrowblackdeer ;) Is it?

Seriously, through my lens which is now opening wider ..hey, this simpleton, she is not so simple, is she?

Have you drawn her, or done a vision board? You have started writing a story .. Is it one for all of us? how may you proceed in manifesting this powerful little signature? I have become drawn in, written myself into the same darn question.

What happens next? Keep showing us, please ...

*Hugs to you* X

[Calz]

http://www.humorhound.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/incoming-baby-war.jpg


Got back from two weeks of vacation last night and was really quite stunned to see some of the carnage of late. Still have not caught up with what went down where or why. Was not in the mood to jump into the fray last night ... but have acclimated enough now to have some fun with it.

If others choose to be grumpy ... hey ... free will baby.


http://funny-pics-fun.com/wp-content/uploads/Dracula-A-Funny-Vampire-From-Romania-4.jpg

http://harry.enzoverder.be/cats/funny-pictures-vampire-cat-with-skills.jpg

http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/celebrity-pictures-elvira-vampires-want.jpg?w=492&h=510

http://funny-pictures-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/funny-motivator-pictures.jpg


Anyhoo ... at least now I know where all my energy goes. Here I thought that after taking a couple of weeks off and actually being able to sleep at night with a regular schedule that was why I was feeling so good.

Now the truth slips out and it is those nasty energy vampires hanging out in the Pub.

Huh ... who knew??? :noidea:

[Calz]

:ranger: Great post, Zebra,

I can share why I keep coming back to the Pub, and specifically in support for Songs or anyone else that fits this at Avalon: I never feel judged nor hear a tone of judgement in Songs' responses to my ideas. She shares another way of seeing. Respect and compassion works for me. I'd add Borden here, too. He took a public stand in defending me from someone who crossed a sacred line when I was only a week or so into my one and only forum experience; and has continued to honor who I am through PM.

I don't expect everyone to agree. But if someone goes into attack mode, my shields go up. http://swordsofmightforum.com/images/smilies/elf.gif And for a time great ideas are lost from a Poster until I can work through my judgements about their judgements. For me, it really is only words and evolving ideas.

My goal is interaction with You All, the Evolving Family, and how We are evolving. I've seen individuals in only four months that I'm here at Avalon, go from angry, harsh vibes to someone that I follow somewhat regularly. It's one barometer. I am encouraged when I see we continue to remember we are Great Beings girdled in body suits.

On to another topic that I'd like to pass along to Everyone, and not just at the Pub:

Because I am a Simpleton...(another word, another label: What the heck, I'm a work in progress)

... Because I am a Simpleton complex posts required a lot of energy that I'd rather use towards discovery of my inner Light Warrior. So out of respect and care for a member, I'll will skim their post. If a phrase or sentence jumps out then I let that be my guide to read with additional attention. This synchronistic system has always worked for me. And it just means that I have a different road map. That’s all, nothing personal.






For Publians who are not aware of it. Songs and Borden have been put on a week's vacation by Paul, for "energy vampirism".
See:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46461-So-how-much-transformation-is-actually-wanted-really/page10

Thanks for the heads up. Very interesting. I admit I've only half followed that thread because I haven't really had the time to spend on it and add my own thoughts.

The Pub's going to get really quite now.

No no no no - to me this is ridiculous.

I have been reading that thread. It is bold and absolutely needed.

I just don´t understand. Well, I do I suppose. An evolutionary pathway with some serious merit - in my estimation - is happening.

Yet some people are simply not open to it. I do not have any problem with ideas being challenged.

However, what is not understood, is so rarely questioned.

Instead - an old debating paradigm continues - defense, personal attack, railroading.

I am being blunt, and I know it.

Songs and Borden are just calling what they are seeing. And so is everyone else as far as I am concerned, except there are some differences. And what I mean by that, is the difference between calling on the bulls#t in a clean and transparent way, compared with using dirty undercurrents that carry intent to hurt, blame, belittle and shame. How many threads are railroaded and members are wounded on this forum?

A lot I think.

It is low level. Words can hurt. Can´t people see this? Sure, some people manage to disengage emotionally, in this kind of battle - consciously. But what is happening unconsciously? Beneath the surface? Plenty of damage - I would say.

Great posts from both Paula (WCBD) and Zebra :thumb:

Your inner beauty and strength have shown through yet again.

[Debra]

Welcome back you generous being !

Tits and teeth. Nice re entry Calz

YOU JUST PUT A BLOODY SMILE IN MY DIAL :p

[Mike]

just stopping in to say g'night to everyone...;)

the energy in here is so very warm n fuzzy at the moment, and i'd like to co-sign on Calz' comments on Paula n Zebra -- their energy is undeniably sustaining and uplifting. thank you both!

i was just laughing at one of Curt's last posts -- it's hard to stay away isn't it, Curt?!? my vacation has been an abysmal failure! ha! maybe i should just accept the fact that i'm a forum junkie and get on with things, eh?;)

Calzy, nice to see you again, mate! with all of us disappearing and reemerging, i don't know whether to say 'hello' or 'goodbye' at this point, so i'll do what i always do when i'm too lazy to express myself properly -- steal someone else's stuff and pass it off as my own. here ya go buddy...

HBZ8ulc5NTg

[Cerridwen]

I'm glad to see you back too, Calz! :wave:

i talked to Songs a bit ago and she wanted me to say Hi to the gang in the Pub. :)

[Calz]

Borden, if i don't hear from you as soon as you get back i'm going to pogo-stick across the Atlantic and slap the ever-loving sh#t out of you.





http://www.toysplash.com/images/products/101520_b.jpg


Send a Jedi Star Cruiser for you I will ...

Help you box the ears of that naughty nanoo nyuckey I will ...



http://ibexinc.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/yoda_hulk.jpg?w=450

[RunningDeer]

I'll begin with the end.
Thank you, Zebra.
http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Notices/beating_heart2.GIF

Wow, Zebra... I hope the people in your life appreciate you. Not just for your mind and how you express yourself, but for the innate understanding of human nature. I alway count on your writing to be thought provoking, kind, powerful, witty, creative, and brilliant.

I also want to send a "shout out" to Calz. Your gesture does not go unnoticed. UPDATE: Oh, man.. You can see how long it took me to write this. Calz you got a bizillion posts ahead before I could get this message out to you. I saw the "thank you" on Zebra's post to me.
Happy to see you. Tee. http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/wet-kiss-smiley.gif?1292867699

WhiteCrowBlackDeer: She is a woman who is smart enough not to need to be anything but what she is at any moment. This allows her to sit in a place of Power, if only to/for herself.

She’s is always in flux. Her core is Truth, which never changes.

Her life philosophy since as far back as she can recall is, “The day she stops learning, is the day she dies.” Today, she says the same, but from a heart of wisdom and understanding, sometimes definitions of words experience an evolution, too.


die to, ascension, Now, rebirth, nano second rebirths = WhiteCrowBlackDeer, Warrior of Light

What’s next? Heck, if I know.
What’s next? Update the vision board to include balance in the personal. The focus has been on assisting Mother Earth and her Children.
What’s next? Opening the heart to include (I’m still trying to find the words for this sentence. I’ll come back to add, but something to the effect where two hearts become One.


"The Vision Board: from the Larger Perspective"
http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/vision_board.jpg



:ranger: Great post, Zebra,

I can share why I keep coming back to the Pub, and specifically in support for Songs or anyone else that fits this at Avalon: I never feel judged nor hear a tone of judgement in Songs' responses to my ideas. She shares another way of seeing. Respect and compassion works for me. I'd add Borden here, too. He took a public stand in defending me from someone who crossed a sacred line when I was only a week or so into my one and only forum experience; and has continued to honor who I am through PM.

I don't expect everyone to agree. But if someone goes into attack mode, my shields go up. http://swordsofmightforum.com/images/smilies/elf.gif And for a time great ideas are lost from a Poster until I can work through my judgements about their judgements. For me, it really is only words and evolving ideas.

My goal is interaction with You All, the Evolving Family, and how We are evolving. I've seen individuals in only four months that I'm here at Avalon, go from angry, harsh vibes to someone that I follow somewhat regularly. It's one barometer. I am encouraged when I see we continue to remember we are Great Beings girdled in body suits.

On to another topic that I'd like to pass along to Everyone, and not just at the Pub:

Because I am a Simpleton...(another word, another label: What the heck, I'm a work in progress)

... Because I am a Simpleton complex posts required a lot of energy that I'd rather use towards discovery of my inner Light Warrior. So out of respect and care for a member, I'll will skim their post. If a phrase or sentence jumps out then I let that be my guide to read with additional attention. This synchronistic system has always worked for me. And it just means that I have a different road map. That’s all, nothing





Those are beautiful words Paula. I too hope that others eventually see what we see in Songs. Borden as well. I value his words and level of truth HIGHLY.

I am still holding onto energy here. Please allow me this, forgive me but I am no fool and I am angered when I see freedom of ideas quashed, but more so when i see the right of an individual to be who they are, judged so harshly and sentenced.

Here at the pub authenticity is the code .. Without naming it. We have the safety here to be who we are, and if that entails wearing some loud clothes sometimes and doing some installations and performance - where is the harm in that? More importantly, it happens to be our personal expression in creative exploration to mine for meaning. I now understand how some just don't get that. How can charges of new world order and energy vampirism be laid down by the pot calling the kettle black?

There are important processes occurring here and not just with and for Songs. this pub is an experiential learning realm. it is relational and it is self directed. Critically, it is potent. Of course it is not for everyone .. But it is a good hang if you need to brush up on chilling out and getting intense in a beautiful ballet of creativity. Why would anyone want to devalue that?

This is a hub for us .. an innovation laboratory with just as much value as a visit to some other established hubs like the free energy zone with Wade Frazier. in my world, we bring disciplines together to play with creative processes to enhance and expand the parameters of otherwise mind dominated projects. To shift fixed thinking to see what is possible and to produce solutions for healthy evolution. This is, as Borden so aptly said, supposed to be an alternative Forum!

Personal exploration needs to be honoured. Respected. Supported.

Which brings me to your 'simpleton'
I have watched you evolve this profile and I am intrigued .. It is your choice and I smilingly consider why you are drawn to it because it is like looking at this children's treasure map (so exciting) being viewed by a team of elves and other elementals deep in the forest and held by this wise child with fair skin and hair and big, questioning blue pool eyes (the one they call Whitecrowblackdeer of course). Together they search the clues on the crinkly, star dusted map for a forever place where one can enter and dwell within at choosing the most open, clearest place within the heart, a place where it is simply is.

The generous yet clear canvas space of the simpleton.

But don't be fooled by the word simple, for it is the child like wonder that clothes this special wizard that you perhaps seek within yourself young Whitecrowblackdeer ;) Is it?

Seriously, through my lens which is now opening wider ..hey, this simpleton, she is not so simple, is she?

Have you drawn her, or done a vision board? You have started writing a story .. Is it one for all of us? how may you proceed in manifesting this powerful little signature? I have become drawn in, written myself into the same darn question.

What happens next? Keep showing us, please ...

*Hugs to you* X

[Calz]

My favorite summer in Colorado was spent in Alamosa.
It was probably the Native American magic of the Four Corners area that I felt there-- a sense of such freedom that still lingered.




When I was growing up we would visit the four corners area every year for summer vacation. I had cousins in Durango Colorado. We also had friends in Alamosa and would stop there on the way. Would also hit Taos New Mexico where my grandparents built a retirement home near the foot of the mountains.

It was like "heaven".


http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/758512.jpg

[onawah]

Calz, did you ever go to the public swimming pool just outside of Alamosa?
Talk about heaven!
Of course, I was much smaller then, but as I remember, it was huge and never crowded.
I can still remember climbing up on the diving tower and seeing the view of prairie all around, with the surrounding snow capped mountain range.
The sense of wide open spaces and freedom was so pervasive.
I felt excited just to be alive all the time when I was there.

[Calz]

Have you seen this adorable guy? Please call.
1-800-626-2583 or 1-800-man-blue


:wave:

17126




Hrmph ...

*PASTEURIZED* or *HOMOGENIZED* I am not ...

Happily married yoda am I ...

900 years old I am but out to pasture yet I am not ...


http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/celerbrity-pictures-yoda-age-discrimination.jpg?w=492&h=446


... and while we are on multisyllable words for English challenged Jedi ...



@ Songsie

Apparently today in Heteronomy World it's 'Feel free to tell Songs your subjective judgements about her' day, so I'm extending my offer to the heteronomy here, with more than a nod to my Punk rocker roots:

... isn't heteronomy one of the books of the bible??? :noidea:


http://www.voceevangelica.ch/upload/news/simpson11.jpg

[Calz]

Calz, did you ever go to the public swimming pool just outside of Alamosa?




Now that you mention it ... yes I think we did.

Yipes you just uncorked a 50 year old memory :shocked:

[Calz]

you got it baby!;)

(your post was awesome, btw!)


I beg to differ ...LEST WE FORGET CHINASKI, THIS POST ROCKED:


if someone *chooses* the heteronomy, then aren't they by definition exercising autonomy? for example, if one selects, as a faith, something many here would consider heteronomous, like Christianity, using good ol' fashion free-will, what would we call that? -- autonomous heteronomy?;) (Borden, may i have a glass of that chilled paradox tea, please?)

what if a member begins to share thoughts that appear heteronomous (God, that's an annoying word to spell) to the majority here, but said member does not recognize or believe them to be heteronomous, and in fact believes themselves to be quite autonomous; and furthermore feels that those accusing her/him of heteronomy are themselves acting in a spirit of heteronomy....ok ok i think you guys get the point: objectivity is a myth.

in a related thought, if a tree falls in a forest and nobody is around to hear it.......................

Songs, if i know you like i think i do, you'll likely point out that many who practice Christianity (following my original example) didn't choose at all, and were, in fact, likely victims of virus manipulation -- and in many instances you'd be absolutely correct. but i guess my question would be: at what point does the 'virus' stuff stop and personal responsibility start?

at it's best, i think virus recognition and deletion can be enlightening and even life changing; but at it's worst paranoia inspiring , and i imagine if i indulged it too much i might be spending my days questioning everything right down to the color of my socks. at it's best, i imagine it can be spiritually liberating and soul refreshing; at it's worst it can sound just as bad as the rest of the fear mongering on the forum. i suppose i exist somewhere between the 2 extremes; my position changes daily.

hey, am i even on topic here?;) maybe i should be posting this in the pub?

embarrassing confession, Songs: this whole time i thought you were speaking metaphorically when you spoke of the mind virus. but if i understood you correctly recently, you believe it to be something else entirely, no? something *real*? and you may be right, and probably are; i acknowledge that you have explored corners of the etheric realms and various other realms i can't even mention here out of sheer ignorance, and i acknowledge my utter impotence regarding such matters; but if you take something like the virus and grant it a certain sort of reality, believing it to be partially responsible for many of the things you say and do, and discuss it endlessly, do you not then give it a power it wouldn't have otherwise had? do you not then, in some way, surrender a bit of your autonomy? do you not in some way forfeit personal responsibility? is it really too different from imagining a God in the sky or a devil in hell, saying yes to this and no to that, according to arbitrary whim and fancy?

these questions, btw, aren't meant to be confrontational -- just intended to spark discussion. i'm excited for your response and know it will be wonderfully enlightening and mind-blowing. i'll be disappointed if it isn't!;)

what i love about your message (and why i always felt religious/spiritual belief systems to be incomplete -- amongst other things) is that it includes things and ideas found nowhere else on the planet as far as i know, like distilling avatars and exploring slidier realms etc...your recent emphasis on autonomy and heteronomy is vital, and i'm thrilled you're taking the lead here and shining a light on it. the problem, ive always felt, is that otherwise autonomous people are, from their birth, constantly asked to declare allegiances (Virus!!!) to country, political party, religious faith etc, and things have become so black n white, so nuance deficient, that minds and spirits have atrophied to the point of impotence, incurable by conventional means, and are slowly drifting towards an insidious heteronomy -- one that they don't even realize is infecting their minds and spirits.

i don't know the answers, but it's not gonna stop me from going to the store right this second to pick up a 6 pack of guinness, a fat hamburger from Wendy's, and then eventually phoning that blond chick i met last night, having her come over, then...(fill in x-rated fantasy here...*or*... fill in alleged charming come-on followed by humiliating rejection followed by a fitful night of sleep thinking of what i would be doing if i hadn't been so shamefully rejected)


p.s. Songs, this would be a wonderful opportunity for you to highlight my hypocrisy regarding excessively wordy posts. please take it. i've never deserved it more;)

This is quality response - this is what we are talking about! Review and learn readers. I charted this one OFF the charts: *THE VIRUS FREE RESPONSE OF THE WEEK*

(really really big cupcake eating baby pic belongs here)


*Deserves a cake! Wish I could pen this well*


Mike you ol' sea dog ...

... that was beauteeemus!!!

http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/00aed0c0-471d-4682-bed9-ccdac8a72010.jpg

[RunningDeer]

Yipes you just uncorked a 50 year old memory :shocked:

50 Year old memory! You don't look a day over 10. Geez, oops...

UPDATE: And I should stop calling you, "Little blue man." Naw, what's the fun in that.

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Photoshop/Calzie.jpg

[Calz]

Yipes you just uncorked a 50 year old memory :shocked:

50 Year old memory! You don't look a day over 10. Geez, oops...

UPDATE: And I should stop calling you, "Little blue man." Naw, what's the fun in that.

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Photoshop/Calzie.jpg


Blue???


http://images.nerdsdevestido.com.br/2011/10/SmurfDadStarWarsCelebrity.jpg

[RunningDeer]

Yipes you just uncorked a 50 year old memory :shocked:

50 Year old memory! You don't look a day over 10. Geez, oops...

UPDATE: And I should stop calling you, "Little blue man." Naw, what's the fun in that.

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Photoshop/Calzie.jpg


Blue???


http://images.nerdsdevestido.com.br/2011/10/SmurfDadStarWarsCelebrity.jpg

Calz, my adorable, wise, little green man brother.

[Mad Hatter]

Q ) So how much transformation is actually wanted, really?

A) from the 99%... none.

You must be omniscient -- able to determine the inner motivations of so many!

Most of my life, I have rarely been clear on my own, much less competent to presume to know that of others.

Thanks Bob for holding up the mirror for me and presenting me (yet again) with an opportunity to learn.

It would seem that in my haste and probable arrogance the mind viral heteronomy took the opportunity to bite me on the arse again. Thus for me an abject lesson in sui generis speak is at hand...

I wrote "A) from the 99%... none." full of judgement and control or heteronomy if you will, whereas I could have wriiten... A) In my experience, from the 99%... none.

In a thread that is discussing what might constitute the make up of a language to accomodate a sui generis way of being and expressing, thus allowing everyone to participate on an equal footing sans judgement/control/heteronomy/mind virus I seem to have inadvertantly supplied a glowing example through not engaging brain before putting mouth into gear.

Songsy or Borden for that matter, assuming they had not been 'Cowed' into silence so to speak, would have right royally ripped me another one and would have been entirely right in doing so.

* noting the odd occasion this has happened in the Pub ;)*

The second case is however entirely different because of the way it is expressed... still maybe considered to be judgemental which makes that entirely my cross to bear, but obviously not heteronomous in it's phrasing of the language.

I stand corrected sir and thank you for that.

cheers

[Fred Steeves]

... Because I am a Simpleton complex posts required a lot of energy that I'd rather use towards discovery of my inner Light Warrior. So out of respect and care for a member, I'll will skim their post.


I have a tough time with lengthy posts, if I want to read a book then I'll pick up a book, plenty of them laying around.:p That's also one of the reasons I try to keep mine brief as possible as well. The other reason is that I'm also a simpleton. Remember the old KISS advice?

Keep
It
Simple
Stupid?

[Mike]

you got it baby!;)

(your post was awesome, btw!)


I beg to differ ...LEST WE FORGET CHINASKI, THIS POST ROCKED:


if someone *chooses* the heteronomy, then aren't they by definition exercising autonomy? for example, if one selects, as a faith, something many here would consider heteronomous, like Christianity, using good ol' fashion free-will, what would we call that? -- autonomous heteronomy?;) (Borden, may i have a glass of that chilled paradox tea, please?)

what if a member begins to share thoughts that appear heteronomous (God, that's an annoying word to spell) to the majority here, but said member does not recognize or believe them to be heteronomous, and in fact believes themselves to be quite autonomous; and furthermore feels that those accusing her/him of heteronomy are themselves acting in a spirit of heteronomy....ok ok i think you guys get the point: objectivity is a myth.

in a related thought, if a tree falls in a forest and nobody is around to hear it.......................

Songs, if i know you like i think i do, you'll likely point out that many who practice Christianity (following my original example) didn't choose at all, and were, in fact, likely victims of virus manipulation -- and in many instances you'd be absolutely correct. but i guess my question would be: at what point does the 'virus' stuff stop and personal responsibility start?

at it's best, i think virus recognition and deletion can be enlightening and even life changing; but at it's worst paranoia inspiring , and i imagine if i indulged it too much i might be spending my days questioning everything right down to the color of my socks. at it's best, i imagine it can be spiritually liberating and soul refreshing; at it's worst it can sound just as bad as the rest of the fear mongering on the forum. i suppose i exist somewhere between the 2 extremes; my position changes daily.

hey, am i even on topic here?;) maybe i should be posting this in the pub?

embarrassing confession, Songs: this whole time i thought you were speaking metaphorically when you spoke of the mind virus. but if i understood you correctly recently, you believe it to be something else entirely, no? something *real*? and you may be right, and probably are; i acknowledge that you have explored corners of the etheric realms and various other realms i can't even mention here out of sheer ignorance, and i acknowledge my utter impotence regarding such matters; but if you take something like the virus and grant it a certain sort of reality, believing it to be partially responsible for many of the things you say and do, and discuss it endlessly, do you not then give it a power it wouldn't have otherwise had? do you not then, in some way, surrender a bit of your autonomy? do you not in some way forfeit personal responsibility? is it really too different from imagining a God in the sky or a devil in hell, saying yes to this and no to that, according to arbitrary whim and fancy?

these questions, btw, aren't meant to be confrontational -- just intended to spark discussion. i'm excited for your response and know it will be wonderfully enlightening and mind-blowing. i'll be disappointed if it isn't!;)

what i love about your message (and why i always felt religious/spiritual belief systems to be incomplete -- amongst other things) is that it includes things and ideas found nowhere else on the planet as far as i know, like distilling avatars and exploring slidier realms etc...your recent emphasis on autonomy and heteronomy is vital, and i'm thrilled you're taking the lead here and shining a light on it. the problem, ive always felt, is that otherwise autonomous people are, from their birth, constantly asked to declare allegiances (Virus!!!) to country, political party, religious faith etc, and things have become so black n white, so nuance deficient, that minds and spirits have atrophied to the point of impotence, incurable by conventional means, and are slowly drifting towards an insidious heteronomy -- one that they don't even realize is infecting their minds and spirits.

i don't know the answers, but it's not gonna stop me from going to the store right this second to pick up a 6 pack of guinness, a fat hamburger from Wendy's, and then eventually phoning that blond chick i met last night, having her come over, then...(fill in x-rated fantasy here...*or*... fill in alleged charming come-on followed by humiliating rejection followed by a fitful night of sleep thinking of what i would be doing if i hadn't been so shamefully rejected)


p.s. Songs, this would be a wonderful opportunity for you to highlight my hypocrisy regarding excessively wordy posts. please take it. i've never deserved it more;)

This is quality response - this is what we are talking about! Review and learn readers. I charted this one OFF the charts: *THE VIRUS FREE RESPONSE OF THE WEEK*

(really really big cupcake eating baby pic belongs here)


*Deserves a cake! Wish I could pen this well*


Mike you ol' sea dog ...

... that was beauteeemus!!!

http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/00aed0c0-471d-4682-bed9-ccdac8a72010.jpg


thanks CAlz!;)

question: how the hell did you know my legal name was 'ol sea dog'? and how on earth did you find that pic of me pogo-sticking the Atlantic?

wait a second...you really *ARE* a jedi smurf, aren't you????????????????

ssNIawf54FQ

[Mike]

... Because I am a Simpleton complex posts required a lot of energy that I'd rather use towards discovery of my inner Light Warrior. So out of respect and care for a member, I'll will skim their post.


I have a tough time with lengthy posts, if I want to read a book then I'll pick up a book, plenty of them laying around.:p That's also one of the reasons I try to keep mine brief as possible as well. The other reason is that I'm also a simpleton. Remember the old KISS advice?

Keep
It
Simple
Stupid?



me: hello folks, my name is Mike and i'm an alcoh...er...i mean a skimmer.

support group (in unison): hi Mike!

the reader in me is in total agreement with you Fred, but the writer, the guy who doesn't believe he has sufficiently driven the point home until he's at least 40,000 words in, slightly disagrees.

i'm a simpleton too, and i generally prefer simple declarative statements. for example, my favorite writers are Hemingway and Bukowski. you'd be hard-pressed to find a single compound sentence in a Bukowski book. the grittiness and humor are wrapped up in a brilliant simplicity, and i love that. it's why i appreciate your posts so much, too. but sometimes length is needed. i tease Songs about her lengthy posts but truthfully i don't know how she could possibly cram all that info in 2 short paragraphs.

the trick, i think, is to determine whose lengthy posts are worth reading, and whose aren't. this becomes obvious pretty quick...;)

[RunningDeer]

It's official. It's a club. "The Simpletons"

Nothing to do, be or become.

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Photoshop/Simpletons.jpg





... Because I am a Simpleton complex posts required a lot of energy that I'd rather use towards discovery of my inner Light Warrior. So out of respect and care for a member, I'll will skim their post.


I have a tough time with lengthy posts, if I want to read a book then I'll pick up a book, plenty of them laying around.:p That's also one of the reasons I try to keep mine brief as possible as well. The other reason is that I'm also a simpleton. Remember the old KISS advice?

Keep
It
Simple
Stupid?

[Mike]

It's official. It's a club. "The Simpletons"

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Photoshop/Simpletons.jpg





... Because I am a Simpleton complex posts required a lot of energy that I'd rather use towards discovery of my inner Light Warrior. So out of respect and care for a member, I'll will skim their post.


I have a tough time with lengthy posts, if I want to read a book then I'll pick up a book, plenty of them laying around.:p That's also one of the reasons I try to keep mine brief as possible as well. The other reason is that I'm also a simpleton. Remember the old KISS advice?

Keep
It
Simple
Stupid?




'Welcome To The Simpletons At The End Of The Universe???'


(uh...nevermind;))

[RunningDeer]

It's official. It's a club. "The Simpletons"

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Photoshop/Simpletons.jpg





... Because I am a Simpleton complex posts required a lot of energy that I'd rather use towards discovery of my inner Light Warrior. So out of respect and care for a member, I'll will skim their post.


I have a tough time with lengthy posts, if I want to read a book then I'll pick up a book, plenty of them laying around.:p That's also one of the reasons I try to keep mine brief as possible as well. The other reason is that I'm also a simpleton. Remember the old KISS advice?

Keep
It
Simple
Stupid?




'Welcome To The Simpletons At The End Of The Universe???'


(uh...nevermind;))

That would be my guess. Simpletons are so simple they are invisible, so they go/fit anywhere. At least to this Simpleton's simple mind.

[benevolentcrow]

... Because I am a Simpleton complex posts required a lot of energy that I'd rather use towards discovery of my inner Light Warrior. So out of respect and care for a member, I'll will skim their post.



I have a tough time with lengthy posts, if I want to read a book then I'll pick up a book, plenty of them laying around.:p That's also one of the reasons I try to keep mine brief as possible as well. The other reason is that I'm also a simpleton. Remember the old KISS advice?

Keep
It
Simple
Stupid?

KISS Keep it simple sweetie!

[Mike]

'simply' and brilliantly put, Paula.;)

[Mike]

most of you have probably seen this David Blaine parody already, but i'll post it anyway for those who haven't. i thought this was pretty funny..

wTqsV3q7rRU

[RunningDeer]

That " Street Magic" vid was funny Chinaski Mike. http://forums.newtorrents.info/style_emoticons/default/rofl.gif

[Mike]

here's another classic. very funny.

caution: f-bombs galore.

ktD5tZUniHk

[onawah]

As the one who has probably been most guilty of long-winded posts on this thread, I do sincerely apologize. :sorry:
My only excuse is that I find Songs unique perspective so compelling, not just about sui generis and heteronomy, but about the Otherkind, Starkind, Annunaki history, and so on.
Perhaps I have been subconsciously hoping to draw her out more on those subjects by boring her to death :bored: with my long posts, the theory being she might relent and provide more details if only to shut me up. :tape:
That's probably a typical :nerd: tactic, and I confess I am a bit of a nerd, also a lifelong bookworm, so long posts some naturally to me, and I don't mind reading them as long as they are interesting.
(Though I have to say I think technology has shortened our collective attention span, :shocked: :attention: and I don't think that's a good thing, though perhaps less tolerance for bores is...) :fish: :caked:

My other option is to PM Songs, which I've done a few times, but I tend to think that doing my learning in public may be a good thing, since many more might benefit in the process.
And in all fairness, I think you will have to agree that Songs clearly wants her threads to be educational as well as entertaining.
My hope is that now that she has her own forum in the works, she will be less distracted and will find more time for the videos and writing she has been wanting to get to.

But the Pub has been a LOT of fun, too, and I am really grateful to all of you for that.:thank_you2:

[Katyani]

Dear Pub Club,

Greetings from the ocean!

I'm diving into the moments while catching some sun and moon,

thinking of you~

with love,

Katyani

http://www.vivaboo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/catch-the-moon-child-girl-dream-fantasy-fishing-net-fish-full-wharf-cloud-sky-kneel-photoshop.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5XfAYZAA7w

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Prague_2006-11_030.jpg

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I hereby submit my application to join The Simpletons.

[RunningDeer]

I hereby submit my application to join The Simpletons.

Nothing to do, be or become. So my guess is that applications are not needed. At least to this Simpleton's simple mind. Ain't it great! No paper trail... "Welcome," says this invisible one.

[RunningDeer]

here's another classic. very funny.

caution: f-bombs galore.

ktD5tZUniHk

It's safe to say that this poor dude needs more veggies and less meat. http://swordsofmightforum.com/images/smilies/elf.gif
One would say he’s steep in his Now moment. :moil:

Funny, funny, funny. http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif

[RunningDeer]

Yipes, yipes, Onawah...don't stop. You touch many through your thought provoking Q&A's. Please, keep it coming...

I don't have the type of brilliance that is uniquely yours. I've got my own brand. Many times, I read what someone wrote and it triggers something entirely different from the topic. A synchronous tangent. It's the shared energy between the words and thoughts that is helping us to remember that we are Great Light Beings. So, please continue to Q&A.

In case people don't know what we are referencing, this is part of what I had posted earlier for anyone that just happens to drop by the Pub for a latte or two:


"...Because I am a Simpleton complex posts required a lot of energy that I'd rather use towards discovery of my inner Light Warrior. So out of respect and care for a member, I'll will skim their post. If a phrase or sentence jumps out then I let that be my guide to read with additional attention. This synchronistic system has always worked for me. And it just means that I have a different road map. That’s all, nothing personal...."



As the one who has probably been most guilty of long-winded posts on this thread, I do sincerely apologize. :sorry:
My only excuse is that I find Songs unique perspective so compelling, not just about sui generis and heteronomy, but about the Otherkind, Starkind, Annunaki history, and so on.

[Turcurulin]

671AgW9xSiA

If my words did glow with the gold of sunshine
And my tunes were played on the harp unstrung,
Would you hear my voice come thru the music,
Would you hold it near as it were your own?

It's a hand-me-down, the thoughts are broken,
Perhaps they're better left unsung.
I don't know, don't really care
Let there be songs to fill the air.

Ripple in still water,
When there is no pebble tossed,
Nor wind to blow.

Reach out your hand if your cup be empty,
If your cup is full may it be again,
Let it be known there is a fountain,
That was not made by the hands of men.

There is a road, no simple highway,
Between the dawn and the dark of night,
And if you go no one may follow,
That path is for your steps alone.

Ripple in still water,
When there is no pebble tossed,
Nor wind to blow.

You who choose to lead must follow
But if you fall you fall alone,
If you should stand then whose to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you home.

qpOlaLTXP4E

[onawah]

Thanks so much for the reassurance, WCBD.

Since I was a child, I have been so full of questions, I have invariably annoyed many a less curious soul, from siblings to parents, teachers, classmates and so on and on, so the label of nerdy, :nerd: slightly loco :loco: nuisance :blah: is one that sticks to me easily.
I think it's much less a case of brilliance as it is just an attempt to overcompensate for my own "simplicity", though I too, have come to see the value in the latter...
Since my Zen days of letting go of all the whys and hows and learning to just appreciate the joys of simply chopping wood, carrying water...


Yipes, yipes, Onawah...don't stop. You touch many through your thought provoking Q&A's. Please, keep it coming...

I don't have the type of brilliance that is uniquely yours. I've got my own brand. Many times, I read what someone wrote and it triggers something entirely different from the topic. A synchronous tangent. It's the shared energy between the words and thoughts that is helping us to remember that we are Great Light Beings. So, please continue to Q&A.

In case people don't know what we are referencing, this is part of what I had posted earlier for anyone that just happens to drop by the Pub for a latte or two:


"...Because I am a Simpleton complex posts required a lot of energy that I'd rather use towards discovery of my inner Light Warrior. So out of respect and care for a member, I'll will skim their post. If a phrase or sentence jumps out then I let that be my guide to read with additional attention. This synchronistic system has always worked for me. And it just means that I have a different road map. That’s all, nothing personal...."



As the one who has probably been most guilty of long-winded posts on this thread, I do sincerely apologize. :sorry:
My only excuse is that I find Songs unique perspective so compelling, not just about sui generis and heteronomy, but about the Otherkind, Starkind, Annunaki history, and so on.

[RunningDeer]

I think it's much less a case of brilliance as it is just an attempt to overcompensate for my own "simplicity", though I too, have come to see the value in the latter...
Since my Zen days of letting go of all the whys and hows and learning to just appreciate the joys of simply chopping wood, carrying water...

Hello Onawah,

When I read your words, I feel that Wisdom is who You Are. (I’d add a walking library.) I admire how you are willing to clear the furniture from the room. Hava-look. And hold only to the essentials. The rest is for visits and crossword puzzles.

Hearts,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer
http://www.white-light-books.com/heart.gif

[Mike]

Thanks so much for the reassurance, WCBD.

Since I was a child, I have been so full of questions, I have invariably annoyed many a less curious soul, from siblings to parents, teachers, classmates and so on and on, so the label of nerdy, :nerd: slightly loco :loco: nuisance :blah: is one that sticks to me easily.
I think it's much less a case of brilliance as it is just an attempt to overcompensate for my own "simplicity", though I too, have come to see the value in the latter...
Since my Zen days of letting go of all the whys and hows and learning to just appreciate the joys of simply chopping wood, carrying water...


Yipes, yipes, Onawah...don't stop. You touch many through your thought provoking Q&A's. Please, keep it coming...

I don't have the type of brilliance that is uniquely yours. I've got my own brand. Many times, I read what someone wrote and it triggers something entirely different from the topic. A synchronous tangent. It's the shared energy between the words and thoughts that is helping us to remember that we are Great Light Beings. So, please continue to Q&A.

In case people don't know what we are referencing, this is part of what I had posted earlier for anyone that just happens to drop by the Pub for a latte or two:


"...Because I am a Simpleton complex posts required a lot of energy that I'd rather use towards discovery of my inner Light Warrior. So out of respect and care for a member, I'll will skim their post. If a phrase or sentence jumps out then I let that be my guide to read with additional attention. This synchronistic system has always worked for me. And it just means that I have a different road map. That’s all, nothing personal...."



As the one who has probably been most guilty of long-winded posts on this thread, I do sincerely apologize. :sorry:
My only excuse is that I find Songs unique perspective so compelling, not just about sui generis and heteronomy, but about the Otherkind, Starkind, Annunaki history, and so on.


i 2nd Paula's comments.

onawah, many are the times you have written something that i've been thinking or feeling but have not been lucid enough to articulate. please don't stop;)

¤=[Post Update]=¤


I hereby submit my application to join The Simpletons.


consider yourself in, Mystic.

there is, however, a very short probationary period where you are required to be really really dumb.;)

[Whiskey_Mystic]

consider yourself in, Mystic.

there is, however, a very short probationary period where you are required to be really really dumb.;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Da9sc6YDBo

[Mike]

CrbKn5boVPA


mock!.. yeah! ing! yeah! bird! yeah!.....

[Calz]

thanks CAlz!;)

question: how the hell did you know my legal name was 'ol sea dog'? and how on earth did you find that pic of me pogo-sticking the Atlantic?

wait a second...you really *ARE* a jedi smurf, aren't you????????????????



Lucky guess(es) from a feeble ol' Simpleton ...

If I really was a Jedi Smurf then I would know the meaning of your signature rather than assuming it was Warf eating Chinese ...

:laugh:


Soy Chingon!


http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/funny-celebrity-pictures-waiter.jpg

[Mike]

Warf eating Chinese is much more fascinating than the genuine meaning...and much funnier.;)

a quick history of 'soy chingon': out of boredom i was messing with the forum's spanish translations, and i noticed while doing this my name was the only name changed...to 'Chingy'. Modwiz then offered me a whole bunch of possible meanings, one of them being 'soy chingon' or, in English, 'i'm the man' (i think). coincidentally, i just asked dan33 for a confirm on that, and that confirm is pending...

[Cerridwen]

Onawah, I love reading your posts! Please don't worry about them being too long, I enjoy 'listening'. If some just skim, fine, let them skim.

[Mike]

sh*t, out of respect for Borden n Songs i feel somebody should say something meaningful, 'stead of all this messing about. somebody other than me, that is. i'm too lazy.

anyone? anybody? Buller? Bueller?
NP0mQeLWCCo


ok, wait...i've thought of something...
dxPVyieptwA


p.s. vacationing our comrades is one thing, but depriving us of Songs' faceless she-demon and Borden's award winning cuteness just seems unfair, damnit.

[Calz]

sh*t, out of respect for Borden n Songs i feel somebody should say something meaningful, 'stead of all this messing about. somebody other than me, that is. i'm too lazy.

anyone? anybody? Buller? Bueller?

...

p.s. vacationing our comrades is one thing, but depriving us of Songs' faceless she-demon and Borden's award winning cuteness just seems unfair, damnit.


I never say anything meaningful ... but I can throw up a few goth images to make Songie smile (bad boy Borden is on his own ...)


http://www.bogoboo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Gothic-Festival-In-Leipzig1.jpg

http://paimages.s3.amazonaws.com/categories/getty/480x385/145310119.jpg

http://media.onsugar.com/files/2011/02/07/3/1416/14161931/ac/Amazing_Wave_Gotik_Treffen_Goth_Festival_in_Germany_25283_2529.jpg


... wait ... what's this ... Zebra???


http://0.tqn.com/d/diyfashion/1/0/g/H/-/-/Wave_gothic_festival_07.jpg

[Mike]

well played Calz, but don't you think Lestat...er, i mean Borden might feel left out? come on, man...vampires have feelings too!

this my favorite Bowie tune, because, aside from just being awesome, it was co-written with my idol, John Lennon (little known fact). Lennon also plays rhythm guitar, i believe. the sound quality here isn't great, but this is a slightly different, funkier version of the original. and the video is vintage Bowie.

dedicated to: the thin white Borden.

qpOlaLTXP4E

[Calz]

well played Calz, but don't you think Lestat...er, i mean Borden might feel left out? come on, man...vampires have feelings too!

this my favorite Bowie tune, because, aside from just being awesome, it was co-written with my idol, John Lennon (little known fact). Lennon also plays rhythm guitar, i believe. the sound quality here isn't great, but this is a slightly different, funkier version of the original. and the video is vintage Bowie.

dedicated to: the thin white Borden.




You are an ol' (sea dog) softie Mike ...

Okay.

Since I cannot post youtubes from work I will have to find something for the thin white Borden ...

Let's see ... ah yes ... he has been feeling rather batmanish lately (no implied meanings please you energy vampire haters out there ...)


http://www.pics-site.com/wp-content/uploads/Funny-Batman-Pictures-29.jpg

[Mike]

well played Calz, but don't you think Lestat...er, i mean Borden might feel left out? come on, man...vampires have feelings too!

this my favorite Bowie tune, because, aside from just being awesome, it was co-written with my idol, John Lennon (little known fact). Lennon also plays rhythm guitar, i believe. the sound quality here isn't great, but this is a slightly different, funkier version of the original. and the video is vintage Bowie.

dedicated to: the thin white Borden.




You are an ol' (sea dog) softie Mike ...

Okay.

Since I cannot post youtubes from work I will have to find something for the thin white Borden ...

Let's see ... ah yes ... he has been feeling rather batmanish lately (no implied meanings please you energy vampire haters out there ...)


http://www.pics-site.com/wp-content/uploads/Funny-Batman-Pictures-29.jpg



whew...ok....that was good.

and now that we've paid our proper respects i feel better about returning to my not very deep self:

vaFRZuBw9JM

[Cerridwen]

Well, they both enjoyed this video the last time I posted it. And it *is* about achieving world peace. That's meaningful, right?

Warning: May be offensive to non-energy vampires.

GCOIeYSwbXs

[Mike]

thanks Cerrwiden...and i think i'll end it on that good note.:note:

g'night guys n gals, both vampies and non-vampires alike.

p.s. there's a witticism evolving somewhere in the cornier recesses of my brain involving garlic and spear like crucifixes, but i just can't seem to put it together at the moment. my dendrites and axons are on strike apparently, protesting my unrelenting beer consumption, no doubt. all i have is the beginning of this little joke, which goes something like this:

a black guy, a polish guy, a jew and 2 energy vampires walk into a bar............:p

[onawah]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I love being here with all the rest of you Simpletons.
I think it's a good thing at least one of us is serious at least some of the time, or we'd all float away on the laughing gas.
The ladies here need no acclaim from anyone; they are just perfect as anyone can see.
Chinaski, you are indeed The Man, also undisputed king of fart lore; Calz, lord of kinky pics; MadHatter, prince of witty repartee; and Borden, duke of sly self deprecation...
And that's just the beginning of the great crew we have here.
Cheers and a raised glass to us all, both present and dearly missed!

[onawah]

Now for some more sophisticated Publian humor:

3sZcyNktWAU

tiS6fcf85f0

UO0bN7gtWOE

B9vmTX5pWKQ

qeCgRJwhj3s

IIAgELk-P6w

and this newest tribute to vampiredom:
wpWvkFlyl4M

[onawah]

The discussion about the Wingmakers material just got very juicy and interesting here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46501-Ashayana-Deane-vs-The-Wingmakers&p=512657#post512657
:tongue1: :attention: :jaw: :crazy_pilot:

[RunningDeer]

You were missed Songs & Borden!


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Photoshop/welcome-back.gif

(This might be a little early.)

[RunningDeer]

Calz, Cerridwen, Chinaski Mike, & Onawah,

Mornin'
I just spent this last hour entertained. I'm still smiling. Great way to begin my day. Thanks! and Love.

[mountain_jim]

The discussion about the Wingmakers material just got very juicy and interesting here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46501-Ashayana-Deane-vs-The-Wingmakers&p=512657#post512657
:tongue1: :attention: :jaw: :crazy_pilot:

This material from Wes Penre, as I am just starting to explore, supports and fleshes out Songs point that the original Wingmakers material was of value and the later a corruption.

(later edit - not that simple = he states both versions contain info of value and disinfo, that discernment is required to wade through and figure this out)

Site showing changes from the 2 versions:

http://www.wanttoknow.info/wingmakersorig/wingmakerschanges

Since it had been awhile I am reloading memories and renewing my interest in this now

Fascinating stuff at:

http://www.wespenre.com/true-story-about-the-wingmakers.htm

http://www.wespenre.com/animus-artificial-intelligence-blank-slate-technology.htm



In review: the Neruda Interviews contain more correct information than The Anderson Interviews (see Wes Penre: "PFC Paper #3: The True Story About the WingMakers, The Labyrinth Group, and S.A.A.L.M. (May 26, 2011)" for reference). In fact, as explained in the above reference, the WMM was taken over by the Labyrinth Group and the Corteum, the latter being an alien faction working with the Labyrinth Group. After that, the WMM became more esoteric and purposely made less comprehensible for the public. The new owner of the WingMakers site, Mahu Nahi of the Corteum, wanted people to believe that it was mostly myth to defuse the truth that had been released by Dr. Neruda, a defector from the same group.

So, for the record (and this is coming directly from the horse's mouth, Dr. Neruda, whom I've been connected with), the Neruda Interviews are what is containing the most truth of all the WMM, in conjunction with the "Ancient Arrow Project", although the latter has been altered by Mahu Nahi, a.k.a. "James". The rest of the WMM still contains truth (like in the case of the Sovereign Integral, the Energetic Heart, and most of how the human template is constructed), but needs to be read very carefully to distinguish between truth and falsehood.

[another bob]

Q ) So how much transformation is actually wanted, really?

A) from the 99%... none.

You must be omniscient -- able to determine the inner motivations of so many!

Most of my life, I have rarely been clear on my own, much less competent to presume to know that of others.

Thanks Bob for holding up the mirror for me and presenting me (yet again) with an opportunity to learn.

It would seem that in my haste and probable arrogance the mind viral heteronomy took the opportunity to bite me on the arse again. Thus for me an abject lesson in sui generis speak is at hand...

I wrote "A) from the 99%... none." full of judgement and control or heteronomy if you will, whereas I could have wriiten... A) In my experience, from the 99%... none.

In a thread that is discussing what might constitute the make up of a language to accomodate a sui generis way of being and expressing, thus allowing everyone to participate on an equal footing sans judgement/control/heteronomy/mind virus I seem to have inadvertantly supplied a glowing example through not engaging brain before putting mouth into gear.

Songsy or Borden for that matter, assuming they had not been 'Cowed' into silence so to speak, would have right royally ripped me another one and would have been entirely right in doing so.

* noting the odd occasion this has happened in the Pub ;)*

The second case is however entirely different because of the way it is expressed... still maybe considered to be judgemental which makes that entirely my cross to bear, but obviously not heteronomous in it's phrasing of the language.

I stand corrected sir and thank you for that.

cheers


Greetings, MH!


These "99%" that we characterize in our arrogance as "sheeple", "virus-ridden", and any number of other hip derogatory slogans are actually magnificent spiritual beings who have entered into human incarnation for purposes as diverse as the stars in the galaxy. Each is in their own perfect classroom, working on what they came here and took human form to accomplish, and they all are deserving of the highest respect, regardless of how they might seem to us in our limited and conditional perception (which itself is merely a fantasy of interpretation based on our own programed filters).

During my career, I moved in circles that represented "new paradigm" thinking, and strove to implement that thinking by introducing natural and organic food products to the country, as a form of right livelihood service. During that time, I was occasionally tempted to consider the targeted shoppers in "herd" terms, but usually caught myself by realizing that I too was part of the demographic I was trying to reach. This also kept me in touch with how people were responding to the innovations I was introducing, for I was actually trying them out on myself too. I came to recognize that I was not separate or superior to others in a very pragmatic way.

Once I retired, I still felt the motive to serve somehow, and so found an Alzheimer's Residential Treatment Facilty near where I was living, and volunteered to work part-time, in the evenings and afternoons. The staff (not including the medical practitioners) was largely "blue collar", salt of the earth type. In my previous career, I had dealt primarily with upper echelon "movers and shakers", so this was a revelation of sorts for me, working side by side in the kitchen, for example, with folks who were generally living paycheck to paycheck, and whose tastes were quite different than my own.

What was revealed to me in the course of my tenure was that these folks were no different at heart than the "big boys" I had once played with. Each had their own stuff to work on, and each had an innocence and beauty at their core which was inspiring to me, as I watched them deal with the various issues of their lives. I could never again think in terms of some amorphous "99%", and as I recognized my own subtle and even not so subtle arrogance challenged by the people I was working with, I felt very fortunate to have had this opportunity to be served by them, rather than the other way around.

:yo:

[Curt]

Hey Pubsters,

Here's a little Lauren Hill tune for your listening pleasure.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8BpeWSCHn4&feature=fvwrel

[onawah]

I know I've read some of Wes Penre's site before, but either I got distracted and didn't finish it, or he was still in the process of writing it, and it wasn't completed yet.
And perhaps it's still not complete.
But I am going to read it again, and hopefully finish it this time.
I need a new discernment hat. This one is worn out!



The discussion about the Wingmakers material just got very juicy and interesting here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46501-Ashayana-Deane-vs-The-Wingmakers&p=512657#post512657
:tongue1: :attention: :jaw: :crazy_pilot:

This material from Wes Penre, as I am just starting to explore, supports and fleshes out Songs point that the original Wingmakers material was of value and the later a corruption. Since it had been awhile I am reloading memories and renewing my interest in this now

Fascinating stuff at:

http://www.wespenre.com/true-story-about-the-wingmakers.htm

http://www.wespenre.com/animus-artificial-intelligence-blank-slate-technology.htm



In review: the Neruda Interviews contain more correct information than The Anderson Interviews (see Wes Penre: "PFC Paper #3: The True Story About the WingMakers, The Labyrinth Group, and S.A.A.L.M. (May 26, 2011)" for reference). In fact, as explained in the above reference, the WMM was taken over by the Labyrinth Group and the Corteum, the latter being an alien faction working with the Labyrinth Group. After that, the WMM became more esoteric and purposely made less comprehensible for the public. The new owner of the WingMakers site, Mahu Nahi of the Corteum, wanted people to believe that it was mostly myth to defuse the truth that had been released by Dr. Neruda, a defector from the same group.

So, for the record (and this is coming directly from the horse's mouth, Dr. Neruda, whom I've been connected with), the Neruda Interviews are what is containing the most truth of all the WMM, in conjunction with the "Ancient Arrow Project", although the latter has been altered by Mahu Nahi, a.k.a. "James". The rest of the WMM still contains truth (like in the case of the Sovereign Integral, the Energetic Heart, and most of how the human template is constructed), but needs to be read very carefully to distinguish between truth and falsehood.

[Curt]

And because you can never just listen to one Lauren Hill song...she's just too great to be had in small doses. ;)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9H7EFT8irM

[Mike]

Q ) So how much transformation is actually wanted, really?

A) from the 99%... none.

You must be omniscient -- able to determine the inner motivations of so many!

Most of my life, I have rarely been clear on my own, much less competent to presume to know that of others.

Thanks Bob for holding up the mirror for me and presenting me (yet again) with an opportunity to learn.

It would seem that in my haste and probable arrogance the mind viral heteronomy took the opportunity to bite me on the arse again. Thus for me an abject lesson in sui generis speak is at hand...

I wrote "A) from the 99%... none." full of judgement and control or heteronomy if you will, whereas I could have wriiten... A) In my experience, from the 99%... none.

In a thread that is discussing what might constitute the make up of a language to accomodate a sui generis way of being and expressing, thus allowing everyone to participate on an equal footing sans judgement/control/heteronomy/mind virus I seem to have inadvertantly supplied a glowing example through not engaging brain before putting mouth into gear.

Songsy or Borden for that matter, assuming they had not been 'Cowed' into silence so to speak, would have right royally ripped me another one and would have been entirely right in doing so.

* noting the odd occasion this has happened in the Pub ;)*

The second case is however entirely different because of the way it is expressed... still maybe considered to be judgemental which makes that entirely my cross to bear, but obviously not heteronomous in it's phrasing of the language.

I stand corrected sir and thank you for that.

cheers


Greetings, MH!


These "99%" that we characterize in our arrogance as "sheeple", "virus-ridden", and any number of other hip derogatory slogans are actually magnificent spiritual beings who have entered into human incarnation for purposes as diverse as the stars in the galaxy. Each is in their own perfect classroom, working on what they came here and took human form to accomplish, and they all are deserving of the highest respect, regardless of how they might seem to us in our limited and conditional perception (which itself is merely a fantasy of interpretation based on our own programed filters).

During my career, I moved in circles that represented "new paradigm" thinking, and strove to implement that thinking by introducing natural and organic food products to the country, as a form of right livelihood service. During that time, I was occasionally tempted to consider the targeted shoppers in "herd" terms, but usually caught myself by realizing that I too was part of the demographic I was trying to reach. This also kept me in touch with how people were responding to the innovations I was introducing, for I was actually trying them out on myself too. I came to recognize that I was not separate or superior to others in a very pragmatic way.

Once I retired, I still felt the motive to serve somehow, and so found an Alzheimer's Residential Treatment Facilty near where I was living, and volunteered to work part-time, in the evenings and afternoons. The staff (not including the medical practitioners) was largely "blue collar", salt of the earth type. In my previous career, I had dealt primarily with upper echelon "movers and shakers", so this was a revelation of sorts for me, working side by side in the kitchen, for example, with folks who were generally living paycheck to paycheck, and whose tastes were quite different than my own.

What was revealed to me in the course of my tenure was that these folks were no different at heart than the "big boys" I had once played with. Each had their own stuff to work on, and each had an innocence and beauty at their core which was inspiring to me, as I watched them deal with the various issues of their lives. I could never again think in terms of some amorphous "99%", and as I recognized my own subtle and even not so subtle arrogance challenged by the people I was working with, I felt very fortunate to have had this opportunity to be served by them, rather than the other way around.

:yo:


when i was 18 i thought i knew a thing or 2. when i turned 21 i realized how little i actually knew as an 18 yr old, and felt vaguely embarrassed for that version of myself. when i turned 25 the process repeated itself, and i felt equally if not more embarrassed for my 21yr old self as i did for my 18yr old self, because, after all, that 21yr old guy had patronized that 18yr old guy when he himself was just as ignorant.

i'm embarrassed to admit that it's taken all this time -- my 35th year -- to realize that this process will likely continue till the day i die, and then beyond. i used to think i'd eventually reach a singular space when the process would no longer be necessary, when all wisdom would be mine, but now i'm not so sure. i believe that even the energy we call 'God' has a 'God' himself(herself? neither?) and on and on into infinity. and if there is no limit to the bigness, logic would dictate that there is no limit to the smallness. taking into account infinity traveling in both directions endlessly, it becomes pretty useless and silly to judge one another based on a scale that is basically relativity-less. one can only really judge oneself vs his or her previous selves to determine progress or lack thereof, imho.

we're all the 99%, regardless of what anyone has read or done or experienced, because in our universe there is always something left unknown or unexperienced. there are 2 ways of looking at it, of course. one says we're all spiritually perfect, despite our alleged ignorance;and the other says we are 'sheeple' or 'virus' infected, depending upon your vocabulary. but like all spiritual truths, it's a bit of a dichotomy, where both truths exist in the same space and the same time. there is a certain perfection in every human being, no doubt, but there is also an inherent ignorance. whether we call it 'virus' or 'sheeple'-inflicted is really of no relevance to me. i don't think it's too terribly arrogant to use these terms so long as the one using them realizes that they themselves have plenty of work to do as well, and, due to the nature of the universe, will always be in a state of semi-ignorance and are therefore no better or worse ultimately than anyone else. i mean, sure, there are those here in 3D who are more knowledgeable and therefore more 'awake' than others, but i s'pose i'm speaking with my 4 and 5D tongue here.

people often think they are disagreeing but are really just representing different dimensions of the same shape, so to speak. i believe deeply in the spiritual maxim 'we are all one', no matter how trite it sounds -- not as some abstract notion, but as a practical truth with practical applications. and if we are all one, we are all ignorant and we are all enlightened; we are all stupid and we are all brilliant. individually we're all just -- as i said -- simply representing different dimensions of the same shape.

Bob, you've had quite a life, man. i'd love to hear more about it. why did you stop writing your memoirs? what a shame! :yo:

[another bob]

people often think they are disagreeing but are really just representing different dimensions of the same shape, so to speak. i believe deeply in the spiritual maxim 'we are all one', no matter how trite it sounds -- not as some abstract notion, but as a practical truth with practical applications. and if we are all one, we are all ignorant and we are all enlightened; we are all stupid and we are all brilliant. individually we're all just -- as i said -- simply representing different dimensions of the same shape.

Well said, Mike! Some honest, hard-learned wisdom here in your realizations. Thanks for sharing it!



Bob, you've had quite a life, man. i'd love to hear more about it. why did you stop writing your memoirs? what a shame! :yo:


Well, once I met Mazie, everything that had gone before took on the quality of a vague, rather uninteresting dream. On the other hand, after our reunion, what happened next seemed beyond the capacity of any narrative prose to truly convey. I took up poetry in order to communicate some of the flavor, but language has its limits, so I dropped the memoir idea.

In my blog (listed below) Feeling To Infinity, you can find scattered throughout a number of biographical fragments, as well as some of the poetry.

Mostly, I came to understand something my Friend Ikkyu once shared:



To write something
and leave it behind us,
It is but a dream.
When we awake we know
There is not even anyone to read it.

- Ikkyu


:yo:

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his peril sensitive sunglasses...


These "99%" that we characterize in our arrogance as "sheeple", "virus-ridden", and any number of other hip derogatory slogans are actually magnificent spiritual beings who have entered into human incarnation for purposes as diverse as the stars in the galaxy. Each is in their own perfect classroom, working on what they came here and took human form to accomplish, and they all are deserving of the highest respect, regardless of how they might seem to us in our limited and conditional perception (which itself is merely a fantasy of interpretation based on our own programed filters).

Soooo what your suggesting here is that once I pay the ferryman to get to the other side it would be rude of me, for that matter any of us, not to go and congratulate the following for a game extremely well played...

Ilse Koch

http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/50863856.jpg?w=311&h=400

Known as The “Bitch of Buchenwald” because of her sadistic cruelty towards prisoners, Ilse Koch was married to another evil Nazi, who served in the SS, Karl Otto Koch, but outshone him in the depraved, inhumane disregard for life which was her trademark. She used her sexual prowess by wandering around the camps naked, with a whip, and if any man so much as glanced at her she would have them shot on the spot. The most infamous accusation against Ilse Koch was that she had selected inmates with interesting tattoos to be killed, so that their skins could be made into lampshades for her home (though, unfortunately, no evidence of these lampshades has been found). After the war she was arrested and spent time in prison on different charges, eventually hanging herself in her cell in 1967, apparently consumed by guilt.

Shirō Ishii

http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/shiro_ishii_1.jpg?w=281&h=400

Ishii was a microbiologist and the lieutenant general of Unit 731, a biological warfare unit of the Imperial Japanese Army during the Second Sino-Japanese War. He was born in the former Shibayama Village of Sanbu District in Chiba Prefecture, and studied medicine at Kyoto Imperial University. In 1932, he began his preliminary experiments in biological warfare as a secret project for the Japanese military. In 1936, Unit 731 was formed. Ishii built a huge compound — more than 150 buildings over six square kilometers — outside the city of Harbin, China.
Some of the numerous atrocities committed by Ishii, and others under his command in Unit 731, include: vivisection of living people (including pregnant women who were impregnated by the doctors), prisoners had limbs amputated and reattached to other parts of their body, some prisoners had parts of their bodies frozen and thawed to study the resulting untreated gangrene. Humans were also used as living test cases for grenades and flame throwers. Prisoners were injected with inoculations of disease, disguised as vaccinations, to study their effects. To study the effects of untreated venereal diseases, male and female prisoners were deliberately infected with syphilis and gonorrhea via rape, then studied.

Having been granted immunity by the American Occupation Authorities at the end of the war, Ishii never spent any time in jail for his crimes and died at the age of 67, of throat cancer.

Ivan IV of Russia

http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/ivan_the_terrible.jpg?w=319&h=400

Ivan IV of Russia, also know as Ivan the Terrible, was the Grand Duke of Muscovy, from 1533 to 1547, and was the first ruler of Russia to assume the title of Tsar. In 1570, Ivan was under the belief that the elite of the city of Novgorod planned to defect to Poland, and led an army to stop them, on January 2. Ivan’s soldiers built walls around the perimeter of the city in order to prevent the people of the city escaping. Between 500 and 1000 people were gathered every day by the troops, then tortured and killed in front of Ivan and his son. In 1581, Ivan beat his pregnant daughter-in-law for wearing immodest clothing, causing a miscarriage. His son, also named Ivan, upon learning of this, engaged in a heated argument with his father, which resulted in Ivan striking his son in the head with his pointed staff, causing his son’s (accidental) death.

Oliver Cromwell

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The Cromwellian conquest of Ireland (1649–53) refers to the re-conquest of Ireland by the forces of the English Parliament, led by Oliver Cromwell, during the Wars of the Three Kingdoms. The consequence of this conquest (in order to displace Catholic authority) was 200,000 civilian deaths from war-related famine and disease, and 50 thousand Irish being taken as slaves. Cromwell considered Catholics to be heretics so the Irish conquest was a modern day Crusade for him. The bitterness caused by the Cromwellian settlement was a powerful source of Irish nationalism from the 17th century onwards. He died in 1658, and was so hated that, in 1661, he was exhumed from the grave and given a posthumous execution – his corpse was hung in chains at Tyburn, and he was later dismembered and his remains thrown into a pit, with his head being displayed on a pole outside Westminster Hall for the next twenty-four years.

Jiang Qing

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Jiang Qing was the wife of Mao Tse-tung, the Communist dictator of China. Through clever maneuvering, she managed to reach the highest position of power within the communist party (short of being President). It is believed that she was the main driving force behind China’s Cultural Revolution (of which she was the deputy director). During the Cultural Revolution, much economic activity was halted, and countless ancient buildings, artifacts, antiques, books and paintings were destroyed by Red Guards. The 10 years of the Cultural Revolution also brought the education system to a virtual halt, and many intellectuals were sent to prison camps. Millions of people in China, reportedly, had their human rights annulled during the Cultural Revolution. Millions more were also forcibly displaced. Estimates of the death toll – civilians and Red Guards – from various Western and Eastern sources are about 500,000 in the true years of chaos of 1966—1969, but some estimates are as high as 3 million deaths, with 36 million being persecuted.

Pol Pot

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Pol Pot was the leader of the Khmer Rouge and the Prime Minister of Cambodia, from 1976 to 1979, having been de facto leader since mid-1975. During his time in power, Pol Pot imposed an extreme version of agrarian communism where all city dwellers were relocated to the countryside to work in collective farms and forced labour projects. The combined effect of slave labour, malnutrition, poor medical care and executions is estimated to have killed around 2 million Cambodians (approximately one third of the population). His regime achieved special notoriety for singling out all intellectuals and other “bourgeois enemies” for murder. The Khmer Rouge committed mass executions in sites known as the Killing Fields. The executed were buried in mass graves. In order to save ammunition, executions were often carried out using hammers, axe handles, spades or sharpened bamboo sticks.

Heinrich Himmler

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Heinrich Himmler, the architect of the holocaust and final solution, and considered to be the biggest mass murderer ever, by some (although it’s really Josef Stalin). The holocaust would not have happened if not for this man. He tried to breed a master race of Nordic appearance, the Aryan race. His plans for racial purity were ended by Hitler’s vanity in making rash military decisions rather than letting his generals make them, thus ending the war prematurely. Himmler was captured after the war. He unsuccessfully tried to negotiate with the west, and was genuinely shocked to be treated as a criminal upon capture. He committed suicide by swallowing a cyanide capsule he had bit upon.

Adolf Hitler

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Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor of Germany in 1933, becoming “Führer” in 1934 until his suicide in 1945. By the end of the second world war, Hitler’s policies of territorial conquest and racial subjugation had brought death and destruction to tens of millions of people, including the genocide of some six million Jews, in what is now known as the Holocaust. On 30 April, 1945, after intense street-to-street combat, when Soviet troops were spotted within a block or two of the Reich Chancellory, Hitler committed suicide, shooting himself while simultaneously biting into a cyanide capsule. Hitler ranks over Himmler merely for the fact that it was in his power to prevent Himmler’s policies being implemented.

Josef Stalin

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Stalin was General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union’s Central Committee, from 1922 until his death, in 1953. Under Stalin’s leadership, the Ukraine suffered from a famine (Holodomor) so great it is considered by many to be an act of genocide on the part of Stalin’s government. Estimates of the number of deaths range from 2.5 million to 10 million. The famine was caused by direct political and administrative decisions. In addition to the famine, Stalin ordered purges within the Soviet Union of any person deemed to be an enemy of the state. In total, estimates of the number murdered under Stalins reign, range from 10 million to 60 million.

Not forgetting of course Count Dracula and Leopold II and Caligula and Idi Amin and Robert Mugabe and Vlad Tepis and Gengis Kan and Charles Manson and Albert Fish and Slobodan Milosevic and Elizabeth Bathory and Lavrenity Beria and Dr. Josef Mengele (where would medicine be without him!!) and Bush and Cheney and Kissinger and Delphine LaLaurie and and and....

One could argue of course that these a representative of the 1% but then without the willingness of the 99% to go along to get along how would any of them had the ability to rack up such impressive tallies?

So forgive me if, with my tiny confused mind, I have not as yet managed to come to grips with the concept that all this suffering and misery courtesey of the master sparker actually contain some form of rhyme or reason.

That said since we are all apparently one by definition these people must obviously rock thus perhaps we can have a huge after life party serving hooch in golden bongs along with mountainous lines of Peruvian marching dust washed down with the finest of single malt whisky whilst gorging on the best ethnogens followed by Nang chasers...

*Mad Hatter wanders off to the blue room to rest his two bruised neurons*

[onawah]

Mad Hatter, are you suggesting that these examples are typical of 99% of humanity?
Aren't they the exception rather than the rule?
Normal human beings are certainly not perfect, but they are generally capable of honesty, decency, generosity,, even heroism.
Considering how difficult things have been made for them on planet Earth, I think it's kind of amazing they do as well as they do.
I'm not getting your point here.
update:

One could argue of course that these a representative of the 1% but then without the willingness of the 99% to go along to get along how would any of them had the ability to rack up such impressive tallies?
I don't think I would describe it as 'willingness' on the part of humankind so much as a propensity to be easily confused, terrified and clueless as to what to do about the predators and psychopaths out there.
Their mindset is utterly different than the average person, who is just trying to get along as best he/she can.
For most, survival is enough to take up all their energy and attention.
The evolutionary signal is busy working on those deficiencies IMHO, so there is hope, as far as I can see, and it seems to me that is more what we gather here to discuss, not the worthlessness of humankind.
I am not suggesting that we blind ourselves to what has been and is happening on the planet, or to the deficiencies in humankind, but I don't agree that all human beings are worthless and complicit with the acts of the monsters, which you seem to be suggesting.

[Cerridwen]

Hi Bob. While I'll admit that I have truly enjoyed listening to many of your personal stories over the past few months, and will probably will continue to read updates on your lovely Mazie, ( I do wish her well.) I think it might be best if they were discussed outside of the Pub.

I believe Songs asked you directly, to stay out of her threads, just like Ulli asked Songs to stay out of hers. So I just kinda feel weird seeing you here while she's on 'vacation'. Maybe the two of you could have a discussion about it when she comes back.

Cheers :)

[Mike]

Hi Bob. While I'll admit that I have truly enjoyed listening to many of your personal stories over the past few months, and will probably will continue to read updates on your lovely Mazie, ( I do wish her well.) I think it might be best if they were discussed outside of the Pub.

I believe Songs asked you directly, to stay out of her threads, just like Ulli asked Songs to stay out of hers. So I just kinda feel weird seeing you here while she's on 'vacation'. Maybe the two of you could have a discussion about it when she comes back.

Cheers :)



it's awkward being friendly with 2 people that don't get along, so i can respect your position here Cerridwen.

but Project Avalon being what it is (not Project Ulli, or Project Songs, or Project Bob, or Project Chinaski, or Project whoever) i feel that anyone should be able to post wherever they please. if some members have unspoken (or spoken) understandings, that's cool. that's between them.

recall: this all started because of a disagreement over the meaning of "no-mind":p then a succession of rather harmless, g-rated insults were traded, and now this. i've said 1000x worse to my own friends and had beers with them less than an hour later. i'm not blaming one or the other, but it boggles my mind that these 2 wonderful people can't get along. think about it: no one *really* knows anyone else here...if you're arguing with another member, you're basically an abstract idea lobbing computer signals across large distances to another abstract idea. it just shouldn't be that big a deal, in my humble opinion of course.

i respect Songs, and i respect Bob, and it's not even really their "beef" that bothers me so much, it's all the other idiots that piled on because they saw a convenient time to strike, likely thinking themselves courageous. (note: this would probably be a good time to point out that there is nothing even remotely courageous about making *anonymous* posts on an internet forum. i just feel like i have to mention that because i often see comments saying things like: "wow, that took a lot of courage to say that!" or "you're so brave for posting that." if posting on an anonymous internet forum represents bravery, then i deserve a medal of honor for the big-mac i just ordered at the McDonalds drive-thru)

so anyway, i disagree with you a little there Cerridwen, but hugs to you just the same:hug:


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[Mike]

i like Jay-Z. even if you don't like hip-hop, one has to respect his exceedingly clever wordmanship (i think i may have just invented that word). it's 2nd to none.

it's not really on display here, but i have to say that this is one of the coolest, most bad-ass music videos i've ever seen. the warning offered in the beginning is genuine: epileptics beware!

oh, and Will Ferrell makes a cameo around the 2:45 mark. what more can you ask for?

gG_dA32oH44

a note: Jay-Z is suspected to be heavily 'Illuminatti' influenced, and often uses blatant 'Illuminatti' symbols and imagery. see if you can spot any.

[ThePythonicCow]

I see some discussion here of who's allowed to post on who's thread, and I've gotten a little more back channel discussion of that as well.

If a member chooses, perhaps at the request of another member, to stay off a thread ... that's their business.

Sometimes members form private groups (using the forum's "Group" mechanism) and then the member owning that group can control who is in it.

Occasionally the mods will request someone stay off a thread, as one way of moderating the forum within the guidelines. More frequently, the mods will split a thread if two incompatible views are butting heads too harshly to fit comfortably in one thread.

But in general, members don't get to control where other members can post on the open forum.

If a member is being disruptive and violating the forum guidelines, then you can report it, using the http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/buttons/report-40b.png triangle below each post. That's usually how the moderation team learns about problematic posts.

[jackovesk]

i like Jay-Z. even if you don't like hip-hop, one has to respect his exceedingly clever wordmanship (i think i may have just invented that word). it's 2nd to none.

it's not really on display here, but i have to say that this is one of the coolest, most bad-ass music videos i've ever seen. the warning offered in the beginning is genuine: epileptics beware!

oh, and Will Ferrell makes a cameo around the 2:45 mark. what more can you ask for?

gG_dA32oH44

a note: Jay-Z is suspected to be heavily 'Illuminatti' influenced, and often uses blatant 'Illuminatti' symbols and imagery. see if you can spot any.

I see 'Jay-Z & Kanye West' for who they really are...


NWO/Illuminati 'Hyped' (Talentless - SCUM)

The whole (ACT) makes me laugh, yet at the same time makes me wanna :bad:

Here's some Aussie Rap for Youz-All...


My Rap - Called (Jz & K you 2 are NWO Zoo)

Wash the Mind to the Zone, walk the Border
Words & Rhyme to the Order
Hip to the Hop we've got use-a-thinking
Weez a 'Risin' youz a 'Sinking'

Our message is 'N' to the 'W' to the 'O', 'Prop' to the 'Ganda'
We've got a job to do, hear the Slander
Rack Up the $Dollars show that 'Bling'
We need 'No Talent' we can't even 'Sing'

'IL' to the 'Lumi' to the 'Nati', Ords to the 'Master', Decieve & Destroy
We got 'Youz-ALL' listening to the 'Prop' & dancin to the 'Ganda'
Pay-As-You-Go, Pay-To-Die
Whilst Jay-Z & Kanye count the $$$ whilst spreading the 'LIE'

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[Mad Hatter]

Hi onawah,

Well actually I was trying in my usually perverse manner to draw attention to a bout of cognitive disonance I was processing which arose basically from one of Bob's posts where he stated...


These "99%" ... are actually magnificent spiritual beings ....and they all are deserving of the highest respect, regardless of how they might seem to us

and my own questions surrounding the issue you succintly put as...


what to do about the predators and psychopaths out there.

Hence for me at least, anyway, that diatribe sprang forth, which probably arose due to as Bob puts it..


our limited and conditional perception(which itself is merely a fantasy of interpretation based on our own programed filters).

and for me it raises interesting albeit unoriginal questions such as...

What if those we refer to as the 1% are also magnificent beings who have simply chosen to play a certain role in affairs in this space to help accomplish the task of urging mankind along the path of knowledge? How could we be sure that this is not the case?

In a paradigm of mob rule in which we all seem to be stuck, sometimes glibly referred to as democracy, why does the mob not do something about the circumstances? Where does that lack of willingness to step into our true power stem from?

If a couple of hundred thousand Icelanders can tell the IMF to shove it what is stopping millions of Americans from doing the same since after all the ratios are far better?

Could it simply be that a large percentage of us are simply here in as Bob puts it

[QUOTE]Each is in their own perfect classroom, working on what they came here and took human form to accomplish[QUOTE]

to learn the 'Golden rule' ie demz that has the gold makes the rulez?

anyhoo just food for thought....

*Mad Hatter disassembles his portable soap box and scuttles back under a rock*

[christian]

Just slighty having read over the ruckus here, I wanna share once again a quote from Juan Matus:


Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it -- what weakens us is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellow men. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.
Every effort should be made to eradicate self-importance from the lives of warriors. Without self-importance we are invulnerable.

:peace:

[Cerridwen]

Chinaski, you’re right.

It is a public forum and everyone does have the right to post where they feel moved to. Or not.

:hug:

[Mike]

i like Jay-Z. even if you don't like hip-hop, one has to respect his exceedingly clever wordmanship (i think i may have just invented that word). it's 2nd to none.

it's not really on display here, but i have to say that this is one of the coolest, most bad-ass music videos i've ever seen. the warning offered in the beginning is genuine: epileptics beware!

oh, and Will Ferrell makes a cameo around the 2:45 mark. what more can you ask for?

gG_dA32oH44

a note: Jay-Z is suspected to be heavily 'Illuminatti' influenced, and often uses blatant 'Illuminatti' symbols and imagery. see if you can spot any.

I see 'Jay-Z & Kanye West' for who they really are...


NWO/Illuminati 'Hyped' (Talentless - SCUM)

The whole (ACT) makes me laugh, yet at the same time makes me wanna :bad:

Here's some Aussie Rap for Youz-All...


My Rap - Called (Jz & K you 2 are NWO Zoo)

Wash the Mind to the Zone, walk the Border
Words & Rhyme to the Order
Hip to the Hop we've got use-a-thinking
Weez a 'Risin' youz a 'Sinking'

Our message is 'N' to the 'W' to the 'O', 'Prop' to the 'Ganda'
We've got a job to do, hear the Slander
Rack Up the $Dollars show that 'Bling'
We need 'No Talent' we can't even 'Sing'

'IL' to the 'Lumi' to the 'Nati', Ords to the 'Master', Decieve & Destroy
We got 'Youz-ALL' listening to the 'Prop' & dancin to the 'Ganda'
Pay-As-You-Go, Pay-To-Die
Whilst Jay-Z & Kanye count the $$$ whilst spreading the 'LIE'

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are you *trying* to sound like a Nazi? you frighten me, Jack.

that brush you're painting with, from tip to tip..how long would you say it is? 2 miles? 3?

stop and smell the nuance, mate.


Illuminatti hyped: probably
Talentless: Kanye maybe, but Jay's got talent comin outta his ears.
Scum: and you've come to this conclusion how? from a music video?

i'm not too hip to commercial radio, but i always know when an artist has 'made it', because they'll inevitably suffer a public hanging from your trademark blue and red noose. they're not *all* bad, Jack. come on;). sure, the 'Illuminatti' may be pulling strings behind the scenes, but many are left unawares. just because one is influenced or hyped not does make them complicit. i'd guess that 85% of the time it's a subtle, covert manipulation. if Jay-Z shows up at Bohemian Grove, i'll swallow my words and declare you the winner, but seriously now...

[Mike]

Chinaski, you’re right.

It is a public forum and everyone does have the right to post where they feel moved to. Or not.

:hug:


:kiss:






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[Mad Hatter]

even if you don't like hip-hop, one has to respect his exceedingly clever wordmanship

At the risk of be labeled a fuddy duddy despite an eclectic music collection that runs the gamut from Chostakovitch to Bjork and just about everything in between or maybe its because I'm the wrong side of fifty but I have never been able to hear a word any of these people are trying to get across, through what to me is layered loop noise, so assesing if any of them have anything clever to say has always been nigh on impossible and in this particular clip I am assuming that was the English language being mangled but in my case for all intents and purposes it might as well have been Klingon.

I get it that the message must be in the lyrics since the music, if one could call it that, is abysmal by any standards and having said that if they ever feel a need to communicate something to other than their indoctrinated fan base they would do well to find themselves a sound engineer that has some semblance of an idea of how to put together an appropriate mix.

For me good music is not something one should have to work hard at to enjoy but then again maybe this is deliberately targeted at the i-pod generation(s) a device I have never owned since it cannot produce any bottom end. Upon reflection that may actually explain why tracks like these end up sounding like a bunch of angry flies in a bottle on any high end audiophile systems. :noidea:

[Mike]

even if you don't like hip-hop, one has to respect his exceedingly clever wordmanship

At the risk of be labeled a fuddy duddy despite an eclectic music collection that runs the gamut from Chostakovitch to Bjork and just about everything in between or maybe its because I'm the wrong side of fifty but I have never been able to hear a word any of these people are trying to get across, through what to me is layered loop noise, so assesing if any of them have anything clever to say has always been nigh on impossible and in this particular clip I am assuming that was the English language being mangled but in my case for all intents and purposes it might as well have been Klingon.

I get it that the message must be in the lyrics since the music, if one could call it that, is abysmal by any standards and having said that if they ever feel a need to communicate something to other than their indoctrinated fan base they would do well to find themselves a sound engineer that has some semblance of an idea of how to put together an appropriate mix.

For me good music is not something one should have to work hard at to enjoy but then again maybe this is deliberately targeted at the i-pod generation(s) a device I have never owned since it cannot produce any bottom end. Upon reflection that may actually explain why tracks like these end up sounding like a bunch of angry flies in a bottle on any high end audiophile systems. :noidea:



so what you're saying is that you don't really like the track then?;)

i'm not too terribly high on it either (it was the video i liked) but now i feel like i'm in the awkward position of having to defend Jay-Z, even though i'm not what you'd call a huge fan. i *do* like him though, and respect his artistry.

it sounds like you've made up your mind regarding hip hop music, but it doesn't stop me from asking: how much hip hop have you listened to? and which artists? while you were "assessing any of them" , which "them" were you referring to? cuz it'll make a difference, ya know? i don't much like Bjork, but it hasn't ruined all alt rock for me, or all electronica, or all jazz or folk or whatever else she's (she's a "she" right?;)) doing these days.

i do like Chostakovitch, coincidentally -- however, i prefer Mahler. note: i once worked an overnight shift at a factory, and symphony music was pretty much the only thing i could listen to while sitting in my bed and drinking beer in the mornings.

my guess is that you've heard a few hip hop songs on the radio and maybe seen a a few vids here n there, in which case i can see where your current stance is derived. but there is a ton of quality out there, incidentally. i respect people who play their own instruments, but i like hip hop beats -- they get to your body and make you wanna move. though if you're on the other side of 50 'Hatter, i wouldn't suggest it, as too much movement may be detrimental to your health, mate.;)

it's like this: every generation slags the music of the generation after it, and so on, and i understand that. i do it too. but you'll have to listen to a little more 'Klingon' before you can speak intelligently about it, mate.

[onawah]

Thanks for clarifying, Mad Hatter.
You wrote:
What if those we refer to as the 1% are also magnificent beings who have simply chosen to play a certain role in affairs in this space to help accomplish the task of urging mankind along the path of knowledge? How could we be sure that this is not the case?

I think that theory makes a lot of sense, actually.
In the process of experiencing and learning from lifetimes in duality, it seems clear we will all have to, at one time or another, play out the different roles of victim, oppressor, hero, etc.
But for the process to succeed, individuals must not become too identified with any particular role,
Since it is just a learning process, in preparation for less dualistic, more unified experiencing.
A certain balance must be maintained if the process is to continue in optimal mode for all experiencers.
When individuals become too identified with their roles (for example, the 1% who appear to have been incarnating in the same families for many lifetimes, with the common goal of retaining control over the entire planet), then it's time for a game change, or the game cannot proceed.

I would say that Americans have proven less able to turn the tables on the controllers so far (such as the Icelanders have done) because the US has been more subject to techniques the controllers have been employing to keep people divided and dumbed down, such as vaccines, chemtrails, GMOs, pharmaceuticals, propaganda, TV, the dissolution of family structure, etc.
Because the US has been a symbol of freedom, and because the potential for the people to break their chains en masse is such a threatening possibility to the controllers, the US has been their main target.
None of this is news. We've been discussing it here for a long time.
Must be time for a game change...





Hi onawah,

Well actually I was trying in my usually perverse manner to draw attention to a bout of cognitive disonance I was processing which arose basically from one of Bob's posts where he stated...

[QUOTE]These "99%" ... are actually magnificent spiritual beings ....and they all are deserving of the highest respect, regardless of how they might seem to us

and my own questions surrounding the issue you succintly put as...


what to do about the predators and psychopaths out there.

Hence for me at least, anyway, that diatribe sprang forth, which probably arose due to as Bob puts it..


our limited and conditional perception(which itself is merely a fantasy of interpretation based on our own programed filters).

and for me it raises interesting albeit unoriginal questions such as...

What if those we refer to as the 1% are also magnificent beings who have simply chosen to play a certain role in affairs in this space to help accomplish the task of urging mankind along the path of knowledge? How could we be sure that this is not the case?

In a paradigm of mob rule in which we all seem to be stuck, sometimes glibly referred to as democracy, why does the mob not do something about the circumstances? Where does that lack of willingness to step into our true power stem from?

If a couple of hundred thousand Icelanders can tell the IMF to shove it what is stopping millions of Americans from doing the same since after all the ratios are far better?

Could it simply be that a large percentage of us are simply here in as Bob puts it


Each is in their own perfect classroom, working on what they came here and took human form to accomplish[QUOTE]

to learn the 'Golden rule' ie demz that has the gold makes the rulez?

anyhoo just food for thought....

*Mad Hatter disassembles his portable soap box and scuttles back under a rock*

[jackovesk]

i like Jay-Z. even if you don't like hip-hop, one has to respect his exceedingly clever wordmanship (i think i may have just invented that word). it's 2nd to none.

it's not really on display here, but i have to say that this is one of the coolest, most bad-ass music videos i've ever seen. the warning offered in the beginning is genuine: epileptics beware!

oh, and Will Ferrell makes a cameo around the 2:45 mark. what more can you ask for?

gG_dA32oH44

a note: Jay-Z is suspected to be heavily 'Illuminatti' influenced, and often uses blatant 'Illuminatti' symbols and imagery. see if you can spot any.

I see 'Jay-Z & Kanye West' for who they really are...


NWO/Illuminati 'Hyped' (Talentless - SCUM)

The whole (ACT) makes me laugh, yet at the same time makes me wanna :bad:

Here's some Aussie Rap for Youz-All...


My Rap - Called (Jz & K you 2 are NWO Zoo)

Wash the Mind to the Zone, walk the Border
Words & Rhyme to the Order
Hip to the Hop we've got use-a-thinking
Weez a 'Risin' youz a 'Sinking'

Our message is 'N' to the 'W' to the 'O', 'Prop' to the 'Ganda'
We've got a job to do, hear the Slander
Rack Up the $Dollars show that 'Bling'
We need 'No Talent' we can't even 'Sing'

'IL' to the 'Lumi' to the 'Nati', Ords to the 'Master', Decieve & Destroy
We got 'Youz-ALL' listening to the 'Prop' & dancin to the 'Ganda'
Pay-As-You-Go, Pay-To-Die
Whilst Jay-Z & Kanye count the $$$ whilst spreading the 'LIE'

http://philosophers-stone.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/thumbs.php_8.jpeg


are you *trying* to sound like a Nazi? you frighten me, Jack.

that brush you're painting with, from tip to tip..how long would you say it is? 2 miles? 3?

stop and smell the nuance, mate.

Illuminatti hyped: probably
Talentless: Kanye maybe, but Jay's got talent comin outta his ears.
Scum: and you've come to this conclusion how? from a music video?

i'm not too hip to commercial radio, but i always know when an artist has 'made it', because they'll inevitably suffer a public hanging from your trademark blue and red noose. they're not *all* bad, Jack. come on;). sure, the 'Illuminatti' may be pulling strings behind the scenes, but many are left unawares. just because one is influenced or hyped not does make them complicit. i'd guess that 85% of the time it's a subtle, covert manipulation. if Jay-Z shows up at Bohemian Grove, i'll swallow my words and declare you the winner, but seriously now...

I'll pretend I did'nt hear that Chinaski...:)

If you can't tell that the likes of Jay Z, his wife 'Sasha Fierce', Kanye (Occupy Wall St) West, Lady 'Little Monsters' Gaga, etc are not preaching the NWO/Illuminati Deception..?

To put it politely - I would seriously question as to 'Why' you are here..?

If your not interested in the 'Truth' and blinded by Celebrity, I'm sorry I can't help or respect your POV...:nono:

[ghostrider]

Man , whew ! after today I need a shot of klingon vodka with a fan strong enough to push Nibiru off it's orbit. I've got to get my fusion reactor suit checked I think it has a leak. Bartender a round for the house !:p

[onawah]

The more you understand me, the crazier you get....Chinaski

I may be getting crazier for it, Chinaski, but I think I understand you pretty well, and if that's crazy, I'll have some more, please...:hungry:
:hug: :kiss: :tea:

[Mad Hatter]

@Chinaski

ROFLMAO...priceless response as usual and I thank you for it...BUT (typical of me ;))...


they get to your body and make you wanna move. though if you're on the other side of 50 'Hatter, i wouldn't suggest it, as too much movement may be detrimental to your health, mate.;)

Once or twice a year depending on the line up (more psy-trance the better) I have been spotted at what here are known as 'Bush Doofs' (check out youtube for Rainbow Festival in oz) dancing pretty much non stop for anything up to 48 hours at a time. What sucks at my age is it takes me a week to recover as opposed to the ability to crash for a few hours and get up and do it all again. Health??? state of mind mate!!


it's like this: every generation slags the music of the generation after it, and so on, and i understand that. i do it too. but you'll have to listen to a little more 'Klingon' before you can speak intelligently about it, mate.

A truism indeed...and I'm prolly guilty as charged... I am however at least willing to expand my knowledeg of Klingon if you'd care to list say a handful of tracks that represent a beginners guide to the gendre... and having obsereved my penchant for a certain amount of cynicism I'm sure you could tailor that accordingly. ;)

As for speaking intelligently!?!! R U Sirius...c'mon it's me your talking too:p

PS Bjork is filed under I for it....

@ onawah


Must be time for a game change...

I hear that!! But I despair sometimes what size club it's going to take. Metaphorically speaking of course!!

@ ghostrider


a shot of klingon vodka

Any chance I can get mine in a jug?? :p

[Mike]

dedicated to: Jack
with love: Chinaski

4TYz8SmO1O8

p.s. Jack, *i* often question why i'm here, mate. there's gotta be a better way for a grown man to spend his time;)

[Debra]

.

i do like Chostakovitch, coincidentally -- however, i prefer Mahler. note: i once worked an overnight shift at a factory, and symphony music was pretty much the only thing i could listen to while sitting in my bed and drinking beer in the mornings.



I just fell in love with that vision .. Was it a bedsit in the meat packing district?

Sweet moment .. Mahler, a beer and Chinaski keeping company at 5am. As the suits hit the showers, Chinaski enters heaven.

;)

[Debra]

Oye! Yes I am talking to you and you there with the wig, and yes you over there on the floor. Some of us need to work around here and get this Asteroid into lickedty split fashion. The board is re-convening this week so go take a pot of coffee into the industrial strength showers and de-virus yourselves.

Enough already .. Ensure you head back through the compassion and fun chamber on re-entry. I shall have some galactic snifters happening for happy hour.

*Grins, turns up Henry Mancini, starts the angel juicers and slides somewhere sideways *

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[Debra]

I would say that Americans have proven less able to turn the tables on the controllers so far (such as the Icelanders have done) because the US has been more subject to techniques the controllers have been employing to keep people divided and dumbed down, such as vaccines, chemtrails, GMOs, pharmaceuticals, propaganda, TV, the dissolution of family structure, etc.


Great post Onawah .. from my understanding and experience there has been a long held and dominant perspective amongst people in other western countries that a good portion of the American population has been living in a naive bubble for many years, unaware of anything outside of America.

Only in recent years have I really begun to understand that this has all been purposefully engineeered. also, that elsewhere the same social programming, pharmaceutically and otherwise chemically enhanced condition has spread much further afield.
The job done on Swedish people in just a few generations is frightening. What were once Vikings are now just mostly field mice. I refer in stature of course:)

But, conditions here in Europe are tinderbox and the fury is rising. The Viking is rising again. So yes, the Icelanders are Viking through and through. Unfortunately, it often take crisis for people to move..

[songsfortheotherkind]

*pipes up from the corner from beneath the invisibility cloak that she'd been wearing while observing the goings on, Pan Galactic in hand*


Mad Hatter dons his peril sensitive sunglasses...


(which itself is merely a fantasy of interpretation based on our own programed filters).

Soooo what your suggesting here is that once I pay the ferryman to get to the other side it would be rude of me, for that matter any of us, not to go and congratulate the following for a game extremely well played...

Ilse Koch

Shirō Ishii

Ishii built a huge compound — more than 150 buildings over six square kilometers — outside the city of Harbin, China.
Some of the numerous atrocities committed by Ishii, and others under his command in Unit 731, include: vivisection of living people (including pregnant women who were impregnated by the doctors), prisoners had limbs amputated and reattached to other parts of their body, some prisoners had parts of their bodies frozen and thawed to study the resulting untreated gangrene. Humans were also used as living test cases for grenades and flame throwers. Prisoners were injected with inoculations of disease, disguised as vaccinations, to study their effects. To study the effects of untreated venereal diseases, male and female prisoners were deliberately infected with syphilis and gonorrhea via rape, then studied.

Having been granted immunity by the American Occupation Authorities at the end of the war, Ishii never spent any time in jail for his crimes and died at the age of 67, of throat cancer.

Ivan IV of Russia

Between 500 and 1000 people were gathered every day by the troops, then tortured and killed in front of Ivan and his son.

Oliver Cromwell

The consequence of this conquest (in order to displace Catholic authority) was 200,000 civilian deaths from war-related famine and disease, and 50 thousand Irish being taken as slaves.

Jiang Qing

During the Cultural Revolution, much economic activity was halted, and countless ancient buildings, artifacts, antiques, books and paintings were destroyed by Red Guards. The 10 years of the Cultural Revolution also brought the education system to a virtual halt, and many intellectuals were sent to prison camps. Millions of people in China, reportedly, had their human rights annulled during the Cultural Revolution. Millions more were also forcibly displaced. Estimates of the death toll – civilians and Red Guards – from various Western and Eastern sources are about 500,000 in the true years of chaos of 1966—1969, but some estimates are as high as 3 million deaths, with 36 million being persecuted.

Pol Pot

During his time in power, Pol Pot imposed an extreme version of agrarian communism where all city dwellers were relocated to the countryside to work in collective farms and forced labour projects. The combined effect of slave labour, malnutrition, poor medical care and executions is estimated to have killed around 2 million Cambodians (approximately one third of the population). His regime achieved special notoriety for singling out all intellectuals and other “bourgeois enemies” for murder. The Khmer Rouge committed mass executions in sites known as the Killing Fields. The executed were buried in mass graves. In order to save ammunition, executions were often carried out using hammers, axe handles, spades or sharpened bamboo sticks.

Heinrich Himmler

The holocaust would not have happened if not for this man. He tried to breed a master race of Nordic appearance, the Aryan race. His plans for racial purity were ended by Hitler’s vanity in making rash military decisions rather than letting his generals make them, thus ending the war prematurely. Himmler was captured after the war. He unsuccessfully tried to negotiate with the west, and was genuinely shocked to be treated as a criminal upon capture. He committed suicide by swallowing a cyanide capsule he had bit upon.

Adolf Hitler


By the end of the second world war, Hitler’s policies of territorial conquest and racial subjugation had brought death and destruction to tens of millions of people, including the genocide of some six million Jews, in what is now known as the Holocaust. Hitler committed suicide, shooting himself while simultaneously biting into a cyanide capsule. Hitler ranks over Himmler merely for the fact that it was in his power to prevent Himmler’s policies being implemented.

Josef Stalin

Under Stalin’s leadership, the Ukraine suffered from a famine (Holodomor) so great it is considered by many to be an act of genocide on the part of Stalin’s government. Estimates of the number of deaths range from 2.5 million to 10 million. The famine was caused by direct political and administrative decisions. In addition to the famine, Stalin ordered purges within the Soviet Union of any person deemed to be an enemy of the state. In total, estimates of the number murdered under Stalins reign, range from 10 million to 60 million.

Not forgetting of course Count Dracula and Leopold II and Caligula and Idi Amin and Robert Mugabe and Vlad Tepis and Gengis Kan and Charles Manson and Albert Fish and Slobodan Milosevic and Elizabeth Bathory and Lavrenity Beria and Dr. Josef Mengele (where would medicine be without him!!) and Bush and Cheney and Kissinger and Delphine LaLaurie and and and....

One could argue of course that these a representative of the 1% but then without the willingness of the 99% to go along to get along how would any of them had the ability to rack up such impressive tallies?

So forgive me if, with my tiny confused mind, I have not as yet managed to come to grips with the concept that all this suffering and misery courtesey of the master sparker actually contain some form of rhyme or reason.

That said since we are all apparently one by definition these people must obviously rock thus perhaps we can have a huge after life party serving hooch in golden bongs along with mountainous lines of Peruvian marching dust washed down with the finest of single malt whisky whilst gorging on the best ethnogens followed by Nang chasers...

I was particularly interested- and utterly unsurprised- in the silence from the heteronomy regarding this post, hatter. I would like to address my answer towards you, having had time to give it plenty of consideration.

I have mentioned before that my grandmother's family were Jewish on her mother's side, and that numbers of her family were killed in the pogroms in Germany. As a girl I met some interesing refugees, including Russian and Polish individuals who had family that had survived the pogroms in both those countries; at 17 I spent a few months as a housemaid to a couple that had met as very young teenagers in the deathcamps and had managed to stay alive- and with each other- through the horrors there and in the terrible year afterwards when so many starved. I had a friend in high school that, along with her brother, was the only survivor of a village massacre which she had witnessed through the crack in the cupboard that her mother had desperately shoved the two children into when the adults had figured what was about to go down. I had other friends that had witnessed similar- I lived in a part of Melbourne that a lot of refugees settled in.

Do you know what was consistently the worst trauma for the survivors to endure in all these situations?

The betrayal of friends and their community in turning against them. The brutality with which this was done. My friend Janet watched as her father's lifelong friends, men he'd grown up with and loved, men he had shared his highs and lows with, sons and brothers he had considered his own, butchered him and his family while he pleaded with them and tried to protect his own with his own body.

It's stuff that is often too grim, these nasty little realities that individuals don't like to think about because such subjects aren't 'love and light' enough, are too ugly or unpleasant, too 'low vibration'- it's so much easier to speak lofty words about things that one has never gone through and talk wiffle about how it's all such a grand plan, working out beautifully, and there's nothing to do, we can all just rest assured that there's no such thing as any necessary evolution and that *something* will work it all out- just so there's no actual transformation necessary, it will all take care of itself.

My friend, sitting there impassively while tears streamed unnoticed down her face as she told me what she had seen, could not comprehend how it was men she had considered uncles, family that did this; she could still hear her father calling out 'brother, brother!' to the men who were hacking him to pieces. It's ugly, though, isn't it, to consider that the seeds of that massacre were embedded in the very beginning by the idea that a group of individuals can claim superiority over another group or even another individual; that the seeds of such action take root in the heart of every individual that thinks mob rule is Righteous- the heteronomy within every individual constantly tries to take root in the whispers of the support of numbers and dominant groups that seek to rule through abuse, and derision; through the same way that religion has done it for millennia- the dagger of hatred wrapped in lofty sounding words, in self congratulatory tones that laugh in delight at the harm that schisms bring. I have seen it in action in every aspect of society; beating up kids that are different, the mocking of those who are disabled or who come from a different culture, who see the world through different eyes, who have a different vision and perspective. Self righteous bullies, trained and supported by a culture that at its very heart believes itself to be supreme and inviolate, where the naming of things for what they really are is punished with ostracism and shunning, outcasting, hatred, superiority- and at its most brutal expression, the killing fields and the elimination of the educated, the visionaries, those whose minds see a different way of doing things.

Little has changed in the past 6000 years. All these spiritual guides, all these lessons written in blood and death, all these demonstrations of where superiority, the idea that 'democracy'- the right of 51% of the community to dominate and control the other 49%- only leads to more suffering, the lessons of the embedded idea that as long as the death is happening to someone else, somewhere else, it's all ok; the endless suffering that comes from the accepted idea that it's ok to tell any other individual *who* to be and *how* to think and *what they can and can't do* - there is no learning. No evolution. No desire on the part of the majority to stand up and call these things what they are.

In my personal, sui generis 'Verse, the individual that fails to stand up and call the abuse what it is, is the same as the one doing the abuse. Those who say nothing about the foundational ideas that allow it to be just another thing that young gays are still being murdered in Western society for nothing more than their sexual orientation; that women and children are still being murdered by their husbands and fathers because domestic violence is just something that happens sometimes, you know and all the other excuses that comfort those who find it too uncomfortable to look the heteronomy in the eye and call it what it is- all those individuals who prefer to attack the one speaking out than to consider what the speaker is saying, are just more friends and neighbours capable of butchering their friends and neighbours if the fear in them gets high enough. They may not raise the machete or gun themselves, but they'll look the other way while others do their dirty work for them and they'll tell themselves comforting stories while they do it.

It's all in the history. None of this is new. The quiet couple I worked for had a very tight circle of friends made up solely of other camp survivors, because they had learned how shallow community and friendship is when other things are triggered. I have experienced this personally, many times in my life. I have listened to the stories of refugees and others harmed, sometimes in a lifelong way, by the culture of Dominance at Any Cost. The heteronomy does not care how hypocritical it is, spouting 'love and light' on one side of it's mouth while the other says things purely designed to malign, to spread poison, to cause others to fear speaking out in case they too will be subjected to the same tactics, name calling, psychological and verbal abuse, whatever it takes to keep the *outsiders* in check. All this illusion of 'higher vibration' while exactly the same tactics that have been used by every dictatorship and religious domination are employed, for the same purpose and intention.

In this incarnation, three of my bloodlines- Maori, Irish Traveller and Jewish- are groups against which the heteronomy has acted with ferocity and bloodshed and who have also acted in the same way. I have had long exploration with the outcome-micro and macro- of the effects that happen when individuals and groups fail to set boundaries, and fail to call the heteronomy in all its aspects what it is- just more domination and control. I am not afraid to do that. I have no intention of being cowed and silenced by any group that attempts to exert its agenda by control, by silencing anything it doesn't like, by denigrating and belittling those that see things differently or who walk a different path. I do not have any interest in the individuals themselves; it is the expression of heteronomy that I have my eyes on, and that I call out. The only thing the detractors ever do is make their attacks personal; it's never the thing that is spoken about that is torn down, it is the one doing the speaking. There is nothing new here in this. The heteronomy has nothing new to offer, because its repertoire has always been the same.

There is a new signal rising. There are those who will never be cowed into silence, those who have no interest in conflict and deception, those who practice their emotional and spiritual aikiddo every day while calling the thing what it is. I have had the pleasure in the past week of interacting with many such Beings, and expanding my work in new and real ways within my community. There are individuals here in my region who are excited about the message of the autonomy, who absolutely get the difference between the two ways of Being, who are inviting me to speak to their groups and communities, to embrace the concept as a means of aikiddo for the legal construments. These are the kinds of individuals I have been interested in all along. I have created new online spaces for me to continue this work, to continue to co-create and inspire and be inspired, to write about the collaborations- local and national- that are emerging from this amazing place I live because this region has a high concentration of the 0.02 %. I have been revitalised and found my joy again, which these other interactions with heteronomy based paradigms had been draining away, and I have the energy again to bring my work to other places and spaces. I have no interest in dealing with those who have the same signal that, in the right conditions, supports the killing fields and the death camps not by personally lifting the machete, but by self righteousness, spiritual delusion and apathy.

There are some wondrous minds here. I've been meeting in other places with many of them. This has been funsticks ahoy, as well as truly evolutionary. I have no interest in the new spiritualities that simply exchange the old hierarchies of 'spiritual' dominance for new ones- there are so many individuals out there who are actually *doing* things in their communities and environments, rather than tearing down anything that looks different or speaks a new language. The evolution is out there- it's just not where the heteronomy is still trying to exert its control.

I'm hanging out in the *other* end of the Universe. It's much more funvee- and there's no naughty language nanny. :D

[Mad Hatter]

Well publians remind me how many days now since a series of...

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arrived to

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by...

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before

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and as a result have come to...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmtlqB0x59Y&feature=related

and lost Songs and Borden?

PS Ha...ain't that post number a biatch....

[Mad Hatter]

Oops...seems I have several hats to eat...timing dammit timing...

[songsfortheotherkind]

Oops...seems I have several hats to eat...timing dammit timing...

No, no you don't- I'm not coming back, not like before. This was my reply to you because the post you made was so awesome and because I wanted to invite you to the party. :)

[mountain_jim]

Wherever you practice your arts, Songs, know that my energies and awareness have only been enriched, not 'vampirized', by my recent discovery and partaking of your creative ideas, expressions, and personal truths. :)

[Flash]

Q ) So how much transformation is actually wanted, really?

A) from the 99%... none.

You must be omniscient -- able to determine the inner motivations of so many!

Most of my life, I have rarely been clear on my own, much less competent to presume to know that of others.

Thanks Bob for holding up the mirror for me and presenting me (yet again) with an opportunity to learn.

It would seem that in my haste and probable arrogance the mind viral heteronomy took the opportunity to bite me on the arse again. Thus for me an abject lesson in sui generis speak is at hand...

I wrote "A) from the 99%... none." full of judgement and control or heteronomy if you will, whereas I could have wriiten... A) In my experience, from the 99%... none.

In a thread that is discussing what might constitute the make up of a language to accomodate a sui generis way of being and expressing, thus allowing everyone to participate on an equal footing sans judgement/control/heteronomy/mind virus I seem to have inadvertantly supplied a glowing example through not engaging brain before putting mouth into gear.

Songsy or Borden for that matter, assuming they had not been 'Cowed' into silence so to speak, would have right royally ripped me another one and would have been entirely right in doing so.

* noting the odd occasion this has happened in the Pub ;)*

The second case is however entirely different because of the way it is expressed... still maybe considered to be judgemental which makes that entirely my cross to bear, but obviously not heteronomous in it's phrasing of the language.

I stand corrected sir and thank you for that.

cheers


Greetings, MH!


These "99%" that we characterize in our arrogance as "sheeple", "virus-ridden", and any number of other hip derogatory slogans are actually magnificent spiritual beings who have entered into human incarnation for purposes as diverse as the stars in the galaxy. Each is in their own perfect classroom, working on what they came here and took human form to accomplish, and they all are deserving of the highest respect, regardless of how they might seem to us in our limited and conditional perception (which itself is merely a fantasy of interpretation based on our own programed filters).

During my career, I moved in circles that represented "new paradigm" thinking, and strove to implement that thinking by introducing natural and organic food products to the country, as a form of right livelihood service. During that time, I was occasionally tempted to consider the targeted shoppers in "herd" terms, but usually caught myself by realizing that I too was part of the demographic I was trying to reach. This also kept me in touch with how people were responding to the innovations I was introducing, for I was actually trying them out on myself too. I came to recognize that I was not separate or superior to others in a very pragmatic way.

Once I retired, I still felt the motive to serve somehow, and so found an Alzheimer's Residential Treatment Facilty near where I was living, and volunteered to work part-time, in the evenings and afternoons. The staff (not including the medical practitioners) was largely "blue collar", salt of the earth type. In my previous career, I had dealt primarily with upper echelon "movers and shakers", so this was a revelation of sorts for me, working side by side in the kitchen, for example, with folks who were generally living paycheck to paycheck, and whose tastes were quite different than my own.

What was revealed to me in the course of my tenure was that these folks were no different at heart than the "big boys" I had once played with. Each had their own stuff to work on, and each had an innocence and beauty at their core which was inspiring to me, as I watched them deal with the various issues of their lives. I could never again think in terms of some amorphous "99%", and as I recognized my own subtle and even not so subtle arrogance challenged by the people I was working with, I felt very fortunate to have had this opportunity to be served by them, rather than the other way around.

:yo:

Someone told me once that you have to be extremely creative to live on pay check to pay check, with an average salary for a family of 4. This is surely very difficult (gosh don't i know). If this type of creativity were liberated with free energy for example, our real beings would most probably be able to come out and fear based on survival go away from our behavioral and genetic memories.

[Debra]

http://www.ratemyink.com/?action=ssp&pid=94472


*pipes up from the corner from beneath the invisibility cloak that she'd been wearing while observing the goings on, Pan Galactic in hand*


Mad Hatter dons his peril sensitive sunglasses...


(which itself is merely a fantasy of interpretation based on our own programed filters).

Soooo what your suggesting here is that once I pay the ferryman to get to the other side it would be rude of me, for that matter any of us, not to go and congratulate the following for a game extremely well played...

Ilse Koch

Shirō Ishii

Ishii built a huge compound — more than 150 buildings over six square kilometers — outside the city of Harbin, China.
Some of the numerous atrocities committed by Ishii, and others under his command in Unit 731, include: vivisection of living people (including pregnant women who were impregnated by the doctors), prisoners had limbs amputated and reattached to other parts of their body, some prisoners had parts of their bodies frozen and thawed to study the resulting untreated gangrene. Humans were also used as living test cases for grenades and flame throwers. Prisoners were injected with inoculations of disease, disguised as vaccinations, to study their effects. To study the effects of untreated venereal diseases, male and female prisoners were deliberately infected with syphilis and gonorrhea via rape, then studied.

Having been granted immunity by the American Occupation Authorities at the end of the war, Ishii never spent any time in jail for his crimes and died at the age of 67, of throat cancer.

Ivan IV of Russia

Between 500 and 1000 people were gathered every day by the troops, then tortured and killed in front of Ivan and his son.

Oliver Cromwell

The consequence of this conquest (in order to displace Catholic authority) was 200,000 civilian deaths from war-related famine and disease, and 50 thousand Irish being taken as slaves.

Jiang Qing

During the Cultural Revolution, much economic activity was halted, and countless ancient buildings, artifacts, antiques, books and paintings were destroyed by Red Guards. The 10 years of the Cultural Revolution also brought the education system to a virtual halt, and many intellectuals were sent to prison camps. Millions of people in China, reportedly, had their human rights annulled during the Cultural Revolution. Millions more were also forcibly displaced. Estimates of the death toll – civilians and Red Guards – from various Western and Eastern sources are about 500,000 in the true years of chaos of 1966—1969, but some estimates are as high as 3 million deaths, with 36 million being persecuted.

Pol Pot

During his time in power, Pol Pot imposed an extreme version of agrarian communism where all city dwellers were relocated to the countryside to work in collective farms and forced labour projects. The combined effect of slave labour, malnutrition, poor medical care and executions is estimated to have killed around 2 million Cambodians (approximately one third of the population). His regime achieved special notoriety for singling out all intellectuals and other “bourgeois enemies” for murder. The Khmer Rouge committed mass executions in sites known as the Killing Fields. The executed were buried in mass graves. In order to save ammunition, executions were often carried out using hammers, axe handles, spades or sharpened bamboo sticks.

Heinrich Himmler

The holocaust would not have happened if not for this man. He tried to breed a master race of Nordic appearance, the Aryan race. His plans for racial purity were ended by Hitler’s vanity in making rash military decisions rather than letting his generals make them, thus ending the war prematurely. Himmler was captured after the war. He unsuccessfully tried to negotiate with the west, and was genuinely shocked to be treated as a criminal upon capture. He committed suicide by swallowing a cyanide capsule he had bit upon.

Adolf Hitler


By the end of the second world war, Hitler’s policies of territorial conquest and racial subjugation had brought death and destruction to tens of millions of people, including the genocide of some six million Jews, in what is now known as the Holocaust. Hitler committed suicide, shooting himself while simultaneously biting into a cyanide capsule. Hitler ranks over Himmler merely for the fact that it was in his power to prevent Himmler’s policies being implemented.

Josef Stalin

Under Stalin’s leadership, the Ukraine suffered from a famine (Holodomor) so great it is considered by many to be an act of genocide on the part of Stalin’s government. Estimates of the number of deaths range from 2.5 million to 10 million. The famine was caused by direct political and administrative decisions. In addition to the famine, Stalin ordered purges within the Soviet Union of any person deemed to be an enemy of the state. In total, estimates of the number murdered under Stalins reign, range from 10 million to 60 million.

Not forgetting of course Count Dracula and Leopold II and Caligula and Idi Amin and Robert Mugabe and Vlad Tepis and Gengis Kan and Charles Manson and Albert Fish and Slobodan Milosevic and Elizabeth Bathory and Lavrenity Beria and Dr. Josef Mengele (where would medicine be without him!!) and Bush and Cheney and Kissinger and Delphine LaLaurie and and and....

One could argue of course that these a representative of the 1% but then without the willingness of the 99% to go along to get along how would any of them had the ability to rack up such impressive tallies?

So forgive me if, with my tiny confused mind, I have not as yet managed to come to grips with the concept that all this suffering and misery courtesey of the master sparker actually contain some form of rhyme or reason.

That said since we are all apparently one by definition these people must obviously rock thus perhaps we can have a huge after life party serving hooch in golden bongs along with mountainous lines of Peruvian marching dust washed down with the finest of single malt whisky whilst gorging on the best ethnogens followed by Nang chasers...

I was particularly interested- and utterly unsurprised- in the silence from the heteronomy regarding this post, hatter. I would like to address my answer towards you, having had time to give it plenty of consideration.

I have mentioned before that my grandmother's family were Jewish on her mother's side, and that numbers of her family were killed in the pogroms in Germany. As a girl I met some interesing refugees, including Russian and Polish individuals who had family that had survived the pogroms in both those countries; at 17 I spent a few months as a housemaid to a couple that had met as very young teenagers in the deathcamps and had managed to stay alive- and with each other- through the horrors there and in the terrible year afterwards when so many starved. I had a friend in high school that, along with her brother, was the only survivor of a village massacre which she had witnessed through the crack in the cupboard that her mother had desperately shoved the two children into when the adults had figured what was about to go down. I had other friends that had witnessed similar- I lived in a part of Melbourne that a lot of refugees settled in.

Do you know what was consistently the worst trauma for the survivors to endure in all these situations?

The betrayal of friends and their community in turning against them. The brutality with which this was done. My friend Janet watched as her father's lifelong friends, men he'd grown up with and loved, men he had shared his highs and lows with, sons and brothers he had considered his own, butchered him and his family while he pleaded with them and tried to protect his own with his own body.

It's stuff that is often too grim, these nasty little realities that individuals don't like to think about because such subjects aren't 'love and light' enough, are too ugly or unpleasant, too 'low vibration'- it's so much easier to speak lofty words about things that one has never gone through and talk wiffle about how it's all such a grand plan, working out beautifully, and there's nothing to do, we can all just rest assured that there's no such thing as any necessary evolution and that *something* will work it all out- just so there's no actual transformation necessary, it will all take care of itself.

My friend, sitting there impassively while tears streamed unnoticed down her face as she told me what she had seen, could not comprehend how it was men she had considered uncles, family that did this; she could still hear her father calling out 'brother, brother!' to the men who were hacking him to pieces. It's ugly, though, isn't it, to consider that the seeds of that massacre were embedded in the very beginning by the idea that a group of individuals can claim superiority over another group or even another individual; that the seeds of such action take root in the heart of every individual that thinks mob rule is Righteous- the heteronomy within every individual constantly tries to take root in the whispers of the support of numbers and dominant groups that seek to rule through abuse, and derision; through the same way that religion has done it for millennia- the dagger of hatred wrapped in lofty sounding words, in self congratulatory tones that laugh in delight at the harm that schisms bring. I have seen it in action in every aspect of society; beating up kids that are different, the mocking of those who are disabled or who come from a different culture, who see the world through different eyes, who have a different vision and perspective. Self righteous bullies, trained and supported by a culture that at its very heart believes itself to be supreme and inviolate, where the naming of things for what they really are is punished with ostracism and shunning, outcasting, hatred, superiority- and at its most brutal expression, the killing fields and the elimination of the educated, the visionaries, those whose minds see a different way of doing things.

Little has changed in the past 6000 years. All these spiritual guides, all these lessons written in blood and death, all these demonstrations of where superiority, the idea that 'democracy'- the right of 51% of the community to dominate and control the other 49%- only leads to more suffering, the lessons of the embedded idea that as long as the death is happening to someone else, somewhere else, it's all ok; the endless suffering that comes from the accepted idea that it's ok to tell any other individual *who* to be and *how* to think and *what they can and can't do* - there is no learning. No evolution. No desire on the part of the majority to stand up and call these things what they are.

In my personal, sui generis 'Verse, the individual that fails to stand up and call the abuse what it is, is the same as the one doing the abuse. Those who say nothing about the foundational ideas that allow it to be just another thing that young gays are still being murdered in Western society for nothing more than their sexual orientation; that women and children are still being murdered by their husbands and fathers because domestic violence is just something that happens sometimes, you know and all the other excuses that comfort those who find it too uncomfortable to look the heteronomy in the eye and call it what it is- all those individuals who prefer to attack the one speaking out than to consider what the speaker is saying, are just more friends and neighbours capable of butchering their friends and neighbours if the fear in them gets high enough. They may not raise the machete or gun themselves, but they'll look the other way while others do their dirty work for them and they'll tell themselves comforting stories while they do it.

It's all in the history. None of this is new. The quiet couple I worked for had a very tight circle of friends made up solely of other camp survivors, because they had learned how shallow community and friendship is when other things are triggered. I have experienced this personally, many times in my life. I have listened to the stories of refugees and others harmed, sometimes in a lifelong way, by the culture of Dominance at Any Cost. The heteronomy does not care how hypocritical it is, spouting 'love and light' on one side of it's mouth while the other says things purely designed to malign, to spread poison, to cause others to fear speaking out in case they too will be subjected to the same tactics, name calling, psychological and verbal abuse, whatever it takes to keep the *outsiders* in check. All this illusion of 'higher vibration' while exactly the same tactics that have been used by every dictatorship and religious domination are employed, for the same purpose and intention.

In this incarnation, three of my bloodlines- Maori, Irish Traveller and Jewish- are groups against which the heteronomy has acted with ferocity and bloodshed and who have also acted in the same way. I have had long exploration with the outcome-micro and macro- of the effects that happen when individuals and groups fail to set boundaries, and fail to call the heteronomy in all its aspects what it is- just more domination and control. I am not afraid to do that. I have no intention of being cowed and silenced by any group that attempts to exert its agenda by control, by silencing anything it doesn't like, by denigrating and belittling those that see things differently or who walk a different path. I do not have any interest in the individuals themselves; it is the expression of heteronomy that I have my eyes on, and that I call out. The only thing the detractors ever do is make their attacks personal; it's never the thing that is spoken about that is torn down, it is the one doing the speaking. There is nothing new here in this. The heteronomy has nothing new to offer, because its repertoire has always been the same.

There is a new signal rising. There are those who will never be cowed into silence, those who have no interest in conflict and deception, those who practice their emotional and spiritual aikiddo every day while calling the thing what it is. I have had the pleasure in the past week of interacting with many such Beings, and expanding my work in new and real ways within my community. There are individuals here in my region who are excited about the message of the autonomy, who absolutely get the difference between the two ways of Being, who are inviting me to speak to their groups and communities, to embrace the concept as a means of aikiddo for the legal construments. These are the kinds of individuals I have been interested in all along. I have created new online spaces for me to continue this work, to continue to co-create and inspire and be inspired, to write about the collaborations- local and national- that are emerging from this amazing place I live because this region has a high concentration of the 0.02 %. I have been revitalised and found my joy again, which these other interactions with heteronomy based paradigms had been draining away, and I have the energy again to bring my work to other places and spaces. I have no interest in dealing with those who have the same signal that, in the right conditions, supports the killing fields and the death camps not by personally lifting the machete, but by self righteousness, spiritual delusion and apathy.

There are some wondrous minds here. I've been meeting in other places with many of them. This has been funsticks ahoy, as well as truly evolutionary. I have no interest in the new spiritualities that simply exchange the old hierarchies of 'spiritual' dominance for new ones- there are so many individuals out there who are actually *doing* things in their communities and environments, rather than tearing down anything that looks different or speaks a new language. The evolution is out there- it's just not where the heteronomy is still trying to exert its control.

I'm hanging out in the *other* end of the Universe. It's much more funvee- and there's no naughty language nanny. :D



Hatter and Songs ..

Double WOW. I am humbled by this dialogue between you both. Two beings daring to question and extend the knowledge field. What you both send home to me is the utter need for human responsibility in the present moment .. That is what counts, that is all that is important - how I am now to myself, to others, to all sentient beings, Gaia and the multi verse in this present moment.

Much enriched I is - like Mountain Jim.

Thank you both for your abilities to question more deeply within yourselves and draw these perspectives for yourselves and share them with us.

It is no secret that I support an honest signal.

*waves at you both*
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[Debra]

:sad:http://www.ratemyink.com/?action=ssp&pid=94472

http://www.ratemyink.com/?action=ssp&pid=94472

What does 'Sui generis' mean to others?

http://browse.deviantart.com/?order=9&q=Sui+generis&offset=48#/dhvd9e

http://browse.deviantart.com/?order=9&q=Sui+generis&offset=120#/dhvd6v

How does it affect us? How can it make a difference? What is there to fear?

What thoughts are out there? :tea:

[songsfortheotherkind]

:sad:

What does 'Sui generis' mean to others?

How does it affect us? How can it make a difference? What is there to fear?

What thoughts are out there? :tea:

Isn't it awesome that these words are going out into the world despite the resistance and persecution of the heteronomy? More and more individuals who carry the evolution signal are going to be exploring and discussing this word, exploring the autonomy and its expressions.

That's what I was trying to bring here, but this is not the droid that seeks such things. I am bursting with energy for this work- I've had so many amazing things happen in this last week, including being invited to give public talks on the legal and spiritual implications of sui generis as an answer to the heteronomy. Individuals and communities are grokking the concept big time- so many individuals get that it's time to evolve, or die. They're the ones I genuinely enjoy and delight in hanging out with, co-creating with.

My four year old, when called a human being, shakes her head and says 'no, I'm Sui Generis. I am unique.' She is living into that every day, refusing to be controlled or defined. My 8 year old is living into it more slowly, and she's getting there, inspired in part by the strong clarity of her little sister. Part of my living into it is to choose to keep company with those who are also holding the signal, those who don't just give lip service to the concepts while cultivating domination and control internally. I am currently surrounded by fun, intelligent and autonomous Beings in the new place; I figure the conversations, evolution and playspace will grow from there.

You are an amazing spirit, woman.

[Calz]

Oops...seems I have several hats to eat...timing dammit timing...

No, no you don't- I'm not coming back, not like before.

This was my reply to you because the post you made was so awesome and because I wanted to invite you to the party. :)


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[songsfortheotherkind]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_sxfhPx5ScyY/S8cCZSOlkJI/AAAAAAAAAD0/zDE47KvrmQk/s1600/2.jpg

Heh, fortunately for those of us that like the evolution, there are other Pubs.


Shall we call last rounds on here? It's been swell, but the swelling's gone now. There's no point in talking autonomy, sui generis and Otherkind in places where it's not wanted.

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs42/f/2009/090/1/e/__lost_little_alien___by_Countess_Grotesque.jpg

There are better places for Otherkind. :)

[Calz]

Heh, fortunately for those of us that like the evolution, there are other Pubs.


Shall we call last rounds on here? It's been swell, but the swelling's gone now. There's no point in talking autonomy, sui generis and Otherkind in places where it's not wanted.


There are better places for Otherkind. :)


See you at the Pub at the *OTHER* End of the Universe

:cantina:

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[songsfortheotherkind]

See you at the Pub at the *OTHER* End of the Universe

:cantina:

*grins at you* You go ahead and keep an eye on things at the other bar, I'll finish up here and lock the doors.

*shouts out to the remaining patrons*

"WE'RE MOVING TO THE NEW PUB!! Last rounds, please! For those heading on to further adventures with us, translocation booths have been set up beside each exit. Those wishing to make their own way to the new Pub, please see me for directions. For those wishing to depart this ride now, thanks for the company and Viva la Evolution!"

The removalists will be here shortly- I'm not leaving the throb-a-trons behind...

[Calz]

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[PurpleLama]

If the Pub is moving to the other end of the Universe, it might be prudent to throw up a link for all the lurkers out there in the far reaches.

[songsfortheotherkind]

http://www.cellphonewallpapers.us/mobile-phone-wallpapers-pictures/phone/002141115605.gif

*grins*

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[Calz]

@ PL

If the Pub is moving to the other end of the Universe, it might be prudent to throw up a link for all the lurkers out there in the far reaches.


http://www.pic4ever.com/images/63izs7n.gif

Oh ... *link* ... coulda swore you said *wink* ...

You need to speak with the proprietress in that regard ...

[songsfortheotherkind]

If the Pub is moving to the other end of the Universe, it might be prudent to throw up a link for all the lurkers out there in the far reaches.

I wasn't sure if that would get removed. It's on my profile details also.

http://songsfortheotherkind.com/forum/

[Curt]

Hope to see a few more familiar faces over in the new digs. :horn:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBZ8ulc5NTg

[Calz]

Hope to see a few more familiar faces over in the new digs. :horn:



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... okay ... perhaps not *that* familiar ...



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[Borden]

It was nice here, for a while. Some lovely people frequented this pub. Too bad about ... well, you know. And if you don't you probably never will.

Anyway, my best wishes to the splendid people who engaged here. And a big no thanks to anyone who may have tried to impose their universe on me or anyone else. Still, good luck to you too.

Blimey, it's only a bloody forum thread ... let's not get dramatic! Ha! Oh, hang on, phone call ...

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Bloody telephone salesmen.

Right then. Bye, pub.

Borden

[RunningDeer]

:wave: I've lost my words. I send Love and Blessings.

Peace,
Paula

[songsfortheotherkind]

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http://images.travelpod.com/users/aknztrip/1.1297073479.magical-staircase-to-the-falls.jpg

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[jaybee]

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Awwwwwww Songs and Borden.....I haven't taken part in this thread (except for one early post)....but I have read quite a bit of it over time...

Love to you guys for all the stuff you shared....

Sing alonga Edith.....


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;)


:clap2:


take care....all the best to you both x


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[songsfortheotherkind]

. Awwwwwww Songs and Borden.....I haven't taken part in this thread (except for one early post)....but I have read quite a bit of it over time...

Love to you guys for all the stuff you shared.... :clap2: take care....all the best to you both x

*waves* Thanks- it's not just us, though, most of the great contributors to this thread are also moving to the new Pub. Autonomous, sui generis individuals are more than welcome to come play. :)

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs16/f/2007/159/0/3/The_Magical_Meeting_by_Donut007.jpg

[jaybee]

. Awwwwwww Songs and Borden.....I haven't taken part in this thread (except for one early post)....but I have read quite a bit of it over time...

Love to you guys for all the stuff you shared.... :clap2: take care....all the best to you both x

*waves* Thanks- it's not just us, though, most of the great contributors to this thread are also moving to the new Pub. Autonomous, sui generis individuals are more than welcome to come play. :)




cheers.....


anyway, it's been an awesome thread....love and thanks to all the great contributors.


:clap2:


:wave:


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[songsfortheotherkind]

http://images.wikia.com/spiritedaway/images/d/d1/Face-Spirited-Away1786012557207880401.jpg

I ask for this thread to be closed. Thanks mods.

[Debra]

No regrets, jaybee. The pub is very much open and operating on high vibration. With such an optimistic collection of souls, this should not be a surprise ;)

For the work to continue and it's quite important to me that it does I think Songsie's decision is a sound and healthy one. This pub place has been most special absofrickinglutely and now the pub is in another place.

I go there now as I honour the creative, living being that is in me. I move with this pub because we now have more space to fly.

And it feels fabulous :p

[onawah]

At the risk of being a little corny and dated, I will leave these as my final post here on the Pub, a signal from the heyday of my generation: :hippie:

5akEgsZSfhg

rW9-FOLG-iA

Though Avalon may not be the right place for all signals to flourish, it has been the jumping off place for other, new forums, and for that, among other things, I am grateful.
Avalon has it's various roles, and I hope it will continue to be a forum where vital information can be found that cannot be found elsewhere, as I'm sure it will.

See you Publians at the other Pub! :wave:

[Sierra]

Thread closed per OP request. :closed: