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Eric J (Viking)
12th March 2012, 09:37
Boy oh boy...

This is headline news in UK ...

Its going to be interesting to see how this one pans out!! What a bloody mess!!

BALANDI, Afghanistan (AP) — An American soldier opened fire on villagers near his base in southern Afghanistan Sunday and killed 16 civilians, according to President Hamid Karzai, who called it an "assassination" and furiously demanded an explanation from Washington. Nine children and three women were among the dead.

The killing spree deepened a crisis between U.S. forces and their Afghan hosts over Americans burning Muslim holy books on a base in Afghanistan last month. The Quran burnings sparked weeks of violent protests and attacks that left some 30 dead. Six U.S. service members have been killed by their Afghan colleagues since the burnings came to light, and the violence had just started to calm down.

"This is an assassination, an intentional killing of innocent civilians and cannot be forgiven," Karzai said in a statement. He said he has repeatedly demanded the U.S. stop killing Afghan civilians.

President Barack Obama phoned Afghan President Hamid Karzai to express his shock and sadness at the killing and wounding of Afghan civilians. He offered condolences to the grieving families of those killed and to the people of Afghanistan.

In a statement released by the White House, Obama called the attack "tragic and shocking" and not representative of "the exceptional character of our military and the respect that the United States has for the people of Afghanistan." He vowed "to get the facts as quickly as possible and to hold accountable anyone responsible."

The violence over the Quran burnings had already spurred calls in the U.S. for a faster exit strategy from the 10-year-old Afghan war. Obama even said recently that "now is the time for us to transition." But he also said he had no plan to change the current timetable that has Afghans taking control of security countrywide by the end of 2014.

In the wake of the Quran burnings, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. John Allen, visited troops at a base that was attacked last month and urged them not to give in to the impulse for revenge.

The tensions between the two countries had appeared to be easing as recently as Friday, when the two governments signed a memorandum of understanding about the transfer of Afghan detainees to Afghan control — a key step toward an eventual strategic partnership to govern U.S. forces in the country.

Sunday's shooting could push that agreement further away.

"This is a fatal hammer blow on the U.S. military mission in Afghanistan. Whatever sliver of trust and credibility we might have had following the burnings of the Quran is now gone," said David Cortright, the director of policy studies at Notre Dame's Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies and an advocate for a quick withdrawal from Afghanistan.

"This may have been the act of a lone, deranged soldier. But the people of Afghanistan will see it for what it was, a wanton massacre of innocent civilians," Cortright said.

The attack began around 3 a.m. in two villages in Panjwai district, a rural suburb of Kandahar and a traditional Taliban stronghold where coalition forces have fought for control for years. The villages — Balandi and Alkozai — are about 500 yards (meters) from a U.S. base.

The gunman went into three houses and opened fire, said a resident of Alkozai, Abdul Baqi, citing accounts from his neighbors.

"When it was happening in the middle of the night, we were inside our houses. I heard gunshots and then silence and then gunshots again," Baqi said.

One villager said eleven of those killed were members of his family, many of them women and children.

An AP photographer saw 15 bodies in the two villages caught up in the shooting. Some of the bodies had been burned, while others were covered with blankets. A young boy partially wrapped in a blanket was in the back of a minibus, dried blood crusted on his face and pooled in his ear. His loose-fitting brown pants were partly burned, revealing a leg charred by fire.

An AP photo showed the bloodstained corner of a house next to a large black area that was charred by fire. The charred area appeared to be remnants of blankets and possibly bodies that had been set on fire.

Villagers packed inside the minibus looked on with concern as a woman spoke to reporters. She pulled back a blanket to reveal the body of a smaller child wearing what appeared to be red pajamas. A third dead child lay in a pile of green blankets in the bed of a truck.

A U.S. official in Washington said the American, an Army staff sergeant, was believed to have acted alone and that initial reports indicated he returned to the base after the shooting and turned himself in.

further reading here
http://news.yahoo.com/us-soldier-kills-16-afghans-deepening-crisis-164242200.html

Revenge attack ?!!
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/world/892805-soldiers-afghanistan-shooting-spree-sparks-taliban-revenge-attack-warning

viking

jaybee
12th March 2012, 12:32
Boy oh boy...

This is headline news in UK ...

Its going to be interesting to see how this one pans out!! What a bloody mess!!




It's all over bar the shouting...IMO.


The 'accidental' burning of the Koran.....the pissing on dead Taliban bodies...and now this.


If the US....Britain et al...ever really expected to win the hearts and minds of the Afgans, this is the nail in the coffin.


It must be so incredibly difficult to be a soldier in Afganistan...it's no wonder the men flip sometimes. They have been put in an impossible situation.

Eric J (Viking)
12th March 2012, 12:59
Boy oh boy...

This is headline news in UK ...

Its going to be interesting to see how this one pans out!! What a bloody mess!!




It's all over bar the shouting...IMO.


The 'accidental' burning of the Koran.....the pissing on dead Taliban bodies...and now this.


If the US....Britain et al...ever really expected to win the hearts and minds of the Afgans, this is the nail in the coffin.


It must be so incredibly difficult to be a soldier in Afganistan...it's no wonder the men flip sometimes. They have been put in an impossible situation.

I totally agree Jaybee ...perhaps it's time to deal the 'backlash card' ;-)

viking

humanalien
12th March 2012, 19:42
Now the government is saying that the shooter has a brain
problem and troubles at home. Lets see if the Afghan government
accepts that story... I'm betting on No they won't....

Calz
12th March 2012, 19:45
Boy oh boy...




Will copy this from a similar thread ...



Murder in Afghanistan, the Coverup Begins (updated)

14524
THE NEW LOOK OF "CHRISTIAN DEMOCRACY" TO THE WORLD'S CHILDREN

Sixteen Dead, Nameless “Lone Gunman,” We Have Heard It All Before

by Gordon Duff, Senior Editor

The village is Balandi, outside Kandahar in Afghanistan. Thus far the dead are 16, shot in their homes, not just said to be “women and children” but actually infants murdered in their mother’s arms and set afire.

The US claims the perpetrator to be an unnamed “Army Staff Sergeant who has turned himself in.” There are inconsistencies.

The village is outside the gate of an American base. A single soldier without a vehicle would have had to evade security and tunnel under the wire and walls to reach the village or, much more likely, this was more than one man?

This is how CNN has it as for the morning of the 12th. Story embellishment, as you will note involves a “bed count” and a “search patrol.” I believe the next story will include rocket flares and bloodhounds. We will wait for this one. To impart credit to the Army, their belated response is much more creative but as full of holes as a sieve. A minor thing to add here, of course, is that a Staff Sergeant, as the perpetrator or suspect, whichever you choose, “patsy” if you will, is a Staff Sergeant, rank E 6. At 3:AM, those of such rank typically do not “stand watch” on towers or in bunkers.

Then, of course, we will return to the forgotten jerrycan, taken off the nonexistent vehicle to burn the bodies of the dead. I did, however, feel a need to get this response added in so that readers in the Western Hemisphere would be better informed. Another minor error in the report below, noted in our earlier evaluation and reiterated here, above that text, is the nature of the armed response team.

They “came a runnin’” based on someone missing from a bed rather than from gunfire, screams and flaming bodies a short distance away. As is so easily noted, as one begins lying, one lie ties to another, one absurdity to another and, in the end, it is always a “malcontent” and “lone gunman.” By now we would have seen a list of antipsychotic medications but “legal” was already informed by pharmaceutical companies that there is already a rash of murder/suicides for those on medications the military and Departmetn of Veterans Affairs has prescribed for those suffering from combat stress ( or misdiagnosed as suffering from “personality disorders” or “pre-existing trauma”).

In order to leave the many “blameless,” this will have to be a singular occurrance of magical proportions, no pre-indications, no signs of any kind, no diagnosis and medical records entering shredders, being wiped from hard drives, flaming in trash cans as we speak. But for how many, one or four or perhaps more?


CNN:

“We call this an intentional act,” Karzai said. He said the dead included four men, three women and nine children, calling the killings “acts of terror and unforgivable.” Another five people were wounded, he said.

Capt. Justin Brockhoff, an ISAF spokesman, said the wounded Afghans were being treated in ISAF facilities. The allied command did not give its own estimate of casualties.

Brockhoff said officials do not yet have a motive for the shooting, which is under investigation by both NATO and Afghan officials. And Maj. Jason Waggoner, another ISAF spokesman, said the soldier “was acting on his own.”
There were no military operations in the area, either on the ground or in the air, at the time, according to two senior ISAF officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation. They said only one soldier, an Army staff sergeant, is believed to have been involved.

A U.S. military official told CNN later Sunday that the suspect is from Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington state. The official said the soldier is assigned to a Special Forces unit.

A third ISAF official said Afghan troops spotted the soldier leaving his combat outpost around 3 a.m. Sunday and notified their American counterparts. The U.S. military did an immediate headcount, found the soldier was missing and dispatched a patrol to go look for him, the official said.

The officials said they have no knowledge at this point whether he had any previous medical or mental health issues in his record.

The patrol met him as he returned and took him into custody. He said nothing, and it was unclear whether they knew what had happened, the official said.

“We don’t know what motivated this individual, and we’re not sure where this is going to take us,” Capt. John Kirby, an ISAF spokesman, told CNN. But he said ISAF’s commander, Gen. John Allen, “has made it clear this investigation is going to be thorough. It’s going to be done rapidly, in an expeditious way, and we’re going to hold the perpetrator of these attacks to account.”


Why? Only a vehicle with more than one man, one that could claim it had been tasked with some sort of “rendition” or “search and destroy” mission could have been allowed out by security.

Otherwise, it would have been identified as a criminal operation or, more unlikely, a single individual, driving into what the Army told the Associate Press was “a Taliban infested area” on a private mission of “passion and lust.”

I think that highly unlikely.

Thus, this is what we can safely assume:

More than one American was involved as no single soldier would have been allowed outside the compound, heavily armed with a vehicle.

Gate security received authorization for the “mission” from the watch officer at the “Combat Operations Center” at the base, the 24 hour nerve center than coordinates both offensive and defensive missions for even the smallest commands.
No “reaction force” was sent to investigate though this was right outside the gates. Radio contact would have been attempted, and there would be recorded records of this and all other activities, as required by normal procedures.

How could someone just walk out the gate at night?

Again, we repeat, authorization at the gate, obviously more than one person, a vehicle, radio communications, gunfire overheard, all things that make the story we have received not just unlikely but childish, superficial and an obvious lie to anyone with experience in the military, something 30 million Americans have.

Then, so recent in our minds, is the supposed killing of Osama bin Laden, the contradictory stories, the convenient death of those involved, and, of course, the singular similarity between both operations. Don’t Americans’ throw Muslim dead into the sea?

As this act was so criminal and barbaric in nature, the murder of small children, setting bodies on fire and the reports of multiple soldiers involved, we are beset with questions.

The fire is proof, started with gasoline from a jerrycan. Vehicle means gate which means vehicle which means team which means radios and authorized operation.

It isn’t just that we have so many exhausted soldiers suffering from PTSD in Afghanistan, this isn’t the problem. As in Vietnam, such troops more often turn on their officers and senior NCOs, not local women and children, at least with one exception, My Lai, and that was under direct military command from Captain Ernest Medina.

Who commanded this fiasco?

HOLY WARRIORS OR HELLISH GHOULS?

Next we can ask, what kind of person does this? That I can clearly answer, this is the act of someone with strong religious and political beliefs. Years ago, initially Pentecostal and then broader Dominionist/Dispensationalist theologies under the broader term of “Christian Evangelism” has been behind the atrocities.

Some are tied to doomsday cults, others toward “racial cleansing” and more fall under the influence of politicians.

Those currently are Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum.

Previously, they were the entire Bush administration, which used communist “brainwashing” techniques on troops to encourage them to torture and kill as part of their patriotic and religious duty.

These messages were instilled during training and continually reinforced through televised psyop sessions on the Armed Forces Network and Pentagon Channel.

Such rhetoric has largely disappeared during the Obama administration with the exception of that which is normally part of the daily broadcasts on Fox News with its extremist pundits.

Their message, of the threat of Islam with its high birthrate, stresses extremist methods. Our “churchgoers” and “conservatives” are taught Islam, even small children, are the “enemy of our blood,” as though we all carried a Torah in our pockets.


Much more: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/03/11/murder-in-afghanistan-the-coverup-begins/

Eric J (Viking)
12th March 2012, 19:50
Now the government is saying that the shooter has a brain
problem and troubles at home. Lets see if the Afghan government
accepts that story... I'm betting on No they won't....

The Afghan people have said they want justice...I see some trouble brewing here...they were hunted down as if they were military targets...

more here
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/12/afghanistan-killings-us-gunman-rampage?newsfeed=true

Reprisals are in the air ... time to get out of town me thinks...
http://tribune.com.pk/story/348910/us-fears-reprisals-after-afghan-shooting-rampage/

viking

Maia Gabrial
12th March 2012, 23:12
Now the government is saying that the shooter has a brain
problem and troubles at home. Lets see if the Afghan government
accepts that story... I'm betting on No they won't....

I'm with you on that, humanalien. I wonder how long it will take for the Afghanis to finally kick the US and NATO out of their country?
The way the story reads to me: vicious murder, no excuses. If the US doesn't hand him over to the Afghanis, then you know they're lying out of their a**es....
This is a big time shame on the US corporation....

But I'm wondering if this is just to provoke anger out of Americans.... Afterall, the US/UN/Israel want WW3 so badly ANYWHERE and it's just not going their way....LOL!

No sympathy from me....

sandy
12th March 2012, 23:28
More victims all the way around to service the need to get the military out of Afghanistan and onto the next "targets" IMHO. This is just part of a sick play with the Directors knowing exactly what they are doing and why the scenario is developed the way it to meet the agenda we truly can only guess at knowing :(

My greatest prayer is that all Military personnel around the world would just say "Enough is Enough" and all quit on the spot and leave those in charge standing there with a stunned look on their face.

Cilka
13th March 2012, 03:02
Now the government is saying that the shooter has a brain
problem and troubles at home. Lets see if the Afghan government
accepts that story... I'm betting on No they won't....

They all have a brain problem. What normal human being with a soul would decide to pick up a gun and start shooting at people. No matter how bad my life would get I would never choose to get a job where I would have to kill people. I would rather die.

Calz
13th March 2012, 03:48
Now the government is saying that the shooter has a brain
problem and troubles at home. Lets see if the Afghan government
accepts that story... I'm betting on No they won't....

They all have a brain problem. What normal human being with a soul would decide to pick up a gun and start shooting at people. No matter how bad my life would get I would never choose to get a job where I would have to kill people. I would rather die.

Saw that story on CNN (won't link the rubbish).

Either way it is bogus.

Pure spin cover-up or else what the heck are we doing with "brain damaged" snipers continuing to serve??? :twitch::frusty::gaah:

Carmody
13th March 2012, 05:47
Another story out of Afghanistan seems to be saying that more than one individual was involved.

Anchor
13th March 2012, 09:18
Of course, now everyone in the US has to be on their guard against Taliban/Afghani retribution.

PRS

It is as obvious as a dog's balls.

Black Panther
13th March 2012, 10:03
More victims all the way around to service the need to get the military out of Afghanistan and onto the next "targets" IMHO. This is just part of a sick play with the Directors knowing exactly what they are doing and why the scenario is developed the way it to meet the agenda we truly can only guess at knowing :(

My greatest prayer is that all Military personnel around the world would just say "Enough is Enough" and all quit on the spot and leave those in charge standing there with a stunned look on their face.

The solution is very, very easy. Let's invite all the military personnel to Avalon.
If they understand they are pawns on a chessboard, they will drop their guns
and go home to their families.

Enough is Enough indeed!

:wizard:

bluestflame
13th March 2012, 12:13
next step an increase in security "at home" in light of yet another increased terrorist alert~

Debra
13th March 2012, 13:41
TOUCHE SANDY .. TIME TO STOP ITCHING FOR ANOTHER BLOOD BATH

Here´s an opportunity for all those questioning soldiers out there who are starting to speak up to the senselessness of their careers. Add to that, the very real mental health degeneration that is becoming endemic amongst soldiers out on these ridiculous occupation posts - witness what has just happened - the administration apparently has given next to nothing towards treating this problem and now it is a monster.

This is no longer an honourable job. War is ugly enough. And I would be careful whipping up a frenzy on here as well, because IMHO it is feeding an energetic field to manifest something a lot uglier. And do we want blood on our keyboards?

Please please please think carefully about buying into THE THRIVE that has been building up on this forum in the last few days. Yes, matters are reaching a head but we have got to stay conscious of our own energies emanating because we are in essence calling for blood to be spilt - we are no better than the illuminati that have engineered us so beautifully into this position.

Keep the egos in check everyone, stay alert. I fully understand the anger at the moment, and that must be released, but how do we release it? How do we stay clean and clear both fighting against and letting go of this built up cankarous bile? Scouring the headlines alone can put you back into rising bile in a second.

Give me a juicy headline and I jump right into the drama, charging up as I go and dutifully pump out annihilation energy. It´s not easy but I have to stop and say NO. Not any more. This is a programmed response ingrained over years of insidious mind control, imposed and self inflicted. And I am not that, that is not me. I would rather die if I cannot be kind.

I need to step back from media coverage, be it mainstream or alternative, to get some soul perspective.

I hope more and more individuals from the ranks of the military step down. Then the drama has nowhere to go. Great idea Sandy.



More victims all the way around to service the need to get the military out of Afghanistan and onto the next "targets" IMHO. This is just part of a sick play with the Directors knowing exactly what they are doing and why the scenario is developed the way it to meet the agenda we truly can only guess at knowing :(

My greatest prayer is that all Military personnel around the world would just say "Enough is Enough" and all quit on the spot and leave those in charge standing there with a stunned look on their face.

Anchor
13th March 2012, 22:01
Zebra, thanks for that, I love watching people breaking down elements of the illusion as they write a post :)

That energy you perceive does indeed present options.

It is a river - you can elect to find a bridge over it, or swim through it, or make a boat etc... but you need to get to the other side at some point.

Calz
14th March 2012, 05:41
Another story out of Afghanistan seems to be saying that more than one individual was involved.

Cover-up? ‘Several laughing drunk troops behind Afghan bloodbath, burn corpses’

RT
March 13, 2012

Gruesome new details are surfacing after 16 Afghan villagers including nine children were shot in their houses by at least one US serviceman. Witnesses to the atrocity now say that several drunken American soldiers were involved.

­Neighbors at the village where the killings took place said they were awoken past midnight by crackling gunfire:

“They were all drunk and shooting all over the place,” Reuters cites Agha Lala, a villager in Kandahar’s Panjwayi district.

Lala’s neighbor Haji Samad lost all of his 11 relatives in the rampage, including children and grandchildren. He claims Marines “poured chemicals over their dead bodies and burned them.”

Twenty-year-old Jan Agha says the gunfire “shook him out of bed.” He was in the epicenter of the horrible shooting, witnessing his father shot as the latter peered out of a window to see what was going on.

“The Americans stayed in our house for a while. I was very scared,” the young man told reporters.

Lying on a floor, Agha says, he pretended to be dead.

He added that his brother was shot in his head and chest. His sister was killed as well. “My mother was shot in her eye and her face. She was unrecognizable,” he said.

The Afghan parliament said the incident was barbaric and demanded justice. Both NATO and US officials condemned the violence, promising a swift investigation.

­US ‘fundamental strategy’ in Afghanistan won’t change – Pentagon

­The Pentagon’s chief spokesman, George Little, said on Monday that there was “every indication” that the perpetrator, whose name he refused to disclose, had not been accompanied by any other soldiers. He also said that the mass killing would not change the “basic war strategy” in Afghanistan.

“Despite what some are saying, we’re not changing our fundamental strategy,” Little said.

Also on Monday NATO reacted to the massacre of Afghan villagers, with spokeswoman Oana Lungescu saying the shooting was an “isolated incident.” She emphasized it would not affect the timeline of the previously discussed withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan by the end of 2014.

Earlier a preliminary official report said the unnamed culprit, identified as a member of the US army staff, had acted alone and is now in custody after turning himself in at an American base.

US troops in Afghanistan have been put on high alert as the Taliban has issued a threat vowing “to take revenge from the invaders and the savage murderers for every single martyr.”

The statement published on the group’s website said that the US is “arming lunatics in Afghanistan who turn their weapons against the defenseless Afghans.”

Afghan officials, fearing possible violent demonstrations, have deployed extra police and troops in and around Kandahar.

The incident was one of the worst of its kind since the US-led invasion of Afghanistan in 2001. It comes just weeks after copies of the Koran were burned at a US military base, provoking mass riots in Afghanistan.
­
Slaying of 16 Afghan civilians ‘absolutely tragic and heartbreaking’ – Barack Obama

­US President Barack Obama has said during an interview with Denver TV Station KCNC that the killing of 16 Afghan civilians by a US soldier was “absolutely tragic and heartbreaking” but also noted that he was “proud generally” of what US troops had accomplished in Afghanistan while working under strenuous conditions.

In another interview, this time with Orlando-based WFTV, the president reiterated his stance in favor of a pullout from Afghanistan by the end of 2014. He said the incident “does signal the importance of us transitioning in accordance with my plans that Afghans are taking more of the initiative in security.”

Asked whether the incident could be compared to the infamous 1968 My Lai Massacre, in which US troops murdered up to 500 civilians in South Vietnam, Obama responded by saying it was not comparable. “It appeared you had a lone gunman who acted on his own,” he noted.

US defense secretary Leon Panetta said that the death penalty was a possible punishment against the soldier who perpetrated the massacre. He noted that officials will use the military justice system to try the soldier and that the shootings must not derail the military mission in Afghanistan.

In the meantime, Reuters quoted an anonymous US official who said that the accused soldier had been treated for traumatic brain injury after being in a vehicle that rolled over in Iraq in 2010.


http://www.infowars.com/cover-up-%e2%80%98several-laughing-drunk-troops-behind-afghan-bloodbath-burn-corpses/

modwiz
14th March 2012, 06:27
A little perspective from VT

HOLY WARRIORS OR HELLISH GHOULS?
"Next we can ask, what kind of person does this? That I can clearly answer, this is the act of someone with strong religious and political beliefs. Years ago, initially Pentecostal and then broader Dominionist/Dispensationalist theologies under the broader term of “Christian Evangelism” has been behind the atrocities.
Some are tied to doomsday cults, others toward “racial cleansing” and more fall under the influence of politicians.

Santorum
Those currently are Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum.
Previously, they were the entire Bush administration, which used communist “brainwashing” techniques on troops to encourage them to torture and kill as part of their patriotic and religious duty.
These messages were instilled during training and continually reinforced through televised psyop sessions on the Armed Forces Network and Pentagon Channel.
Such rhetoric has largely disappeared during the Obama administration with the exception of that which is normally part of the daily broadcasts on Fox News with its extremist pundits.
Their message, of the threat of Islam with its high birthrate, stresses extremist methods. Our “churchgoers” and “conservatives” are taught Islam, even small children, are the “enemy of our blood,” as though we all carried a Torah in our pockets."

I love that Duff allows us to see things through his trained 'insiders' eye.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/afghan-civil3-640x426.jpg
Catch the Special Ops guy with the shades

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/03/11/murder-in-afghanistan-the-coverup-begins/

Debra
14th March 2012, 14:24
TYO-iABnQd4
Carl_Avaretard , have you seen this video yet that Jacovesk posted, the interview with this woman, a former remote viewer, talking about the now extensive militarisation of RM? I really resonated with her testimony. Anyway, she is still coming down after 11-12 years of chemicals and a whole lot of other crap injected and implanted into her during her albeit brief tenure - because she started falling apart - but she gives a really fascinating profile of the new breed of soliders coming through (who would be those stationed in Afghanistan as well I presume) and modifications that liberally take place. Also of vaccine programs that regulars receive continuously as well. I don´t know, but the stories of the cold bloodedness of these atrocities that have preceded this latest story, also sound like the actions of the ´weird´ personalities, she said that she worked alongside. They could be these hybrids. I also think this is a result of humans doing work that they know is doing absolutely nothing for human kind and their individual souls. And now they are falling apart. POINT IS, regardless whether they are hybrids or just gone mad, the system that raised and put them there needs to be taken down.




Now the government is saying that the shooter has a brain
problem and troubles at home. Lets see if the Afghan government
accepts that story... I'm betting on No they won't....

They all have a brain problem. What normal human being with a soul would decide to pick up a gun and start shooting at people. No matter how bad my life would get I would never choose to get a job where I would have to kill people. I would rather die.

Saw that story on CNN (won't link the rubbish).

Either way it is bogus.

Pure spin cover-up or else what the heck are we doing with "brain damaged" snipers continuing to serve??? :twitch::frusty::gaah:

Debra
14th March 2012, 14:32
Thank you Anchor. Nice words. Forum life comes with many responsibilities. To each other, to the rest of the universe and most of all, to ourselves. ;)


Zebra, thanks for that, I love watching people breaking down elements of the illusion as they write a post :)

That energy you perceive does indeed present options.

It is a river - you can elect to find a bridge over it, or swim through it, or make a boat etc... but you need to get to the other side at some point.