Why Pie'n'eal has left the forum.

[Tarka the Duck]

Tony has asked me to post this.



Why I have left the forum.

I have to leave the forum as I do not want to be the cause of disharmony, or bring the Dharma into disrepute. I'm not angry – but I am sad that the world is in such a bad state, and we are trying to find a way to help one another...but people are still choosing to be so negative.

For example, there is a thread about, let's say, how a cheese sandwich could be made, and someone keeps coming onto a thread and saying, “I don't like sandwiches!” Not only that, but they are telling people that cheese sandwiches are bad for their health!

That is not a discussion about how a cheese sandwich could be made. These are pointless, self-obsessed remarks. If you don't like cheese sandwiches, go to what attracts you - that would be a positive action. Whether you personally like sandwiches or not was not the topic of this OP!

A couple of individuals frequently try to disrupt threads I write, because they do not like my approach. And they are unable to let it be. Their reactions are antagonistic, and destroy the flow of a thread, so others who may come along later cannot follow a logical flow of discussion.
I have had to bring this type of action to the forum's notice before. I have spoken to the individuals about this on PMs, but this is still happening. These are not discussions: these are wilful attempts to break up the thread. My main concern is it drags others into thinking the same way.

If you wish to see this in action, analyse the thread, 'Buddhism in a nutshell'.

These are not positive actions,: they are negative actions.
This negativity creates problems on the forum – it does nothing to solve them. It is a pointless destructive activity.
The sad thing is the moderators see this and do nothing: maybe it's too subtle.

Buddhism is such a vast subject, and I can only give people a glimpse at what it is. The true Dharma will not be found in books or on websites.
A true knowledge of the Dharma is found in the practice. To find out about this, one has to go to a Dharma centre.

The point is, how will you know that you have a choice, if it is not presented to you? That is why I write.
I have to leave the forum as I do not want to be the cause of disharmony, or bring the Dharma into disrepute.

I've made some really fabulous friends here...So long, and thanks for all the fish!

All the best,
Tony

[Calz]

Tony will be missed to be sure.

Wish you well pie guy :nod::wave:


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[ViralSpiral]

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Thank you for your bountiful servings!




March on. Do not tarry. To go forward is to move toward perfection. March on, and fear not the thorns, or the sharp stones on life's path. - Khalil Gibran

[Sabrina]

I'll be sorry to see Pie go as well. Didn't want to add him to the resignations list. OMG he's now 321. Pity, I imagine he can easily out smart any mischief-makers and they're substantially outnumbered on Avalon. They must be having a hard time in these rising energies! Keep calm and carry on (and take no notice). Expecting a leaving party on the Hayward roof garden Tony.

[songsfortheotherkind]

That genuinely sucks. And I fully understand his choice. It really is getting to down and dirty time when it comes to the actions of the agents for the mind virus these days, isn't it? That was bound to happen in the last gasp.

Peace and joy ever rising walk with you, Tony. *waves, smiling*

[write4change]

I am a practicing Buddhist. I did not click on this thread because there is no nutshell to me for Buddhism. I have no problem with someone trying. My experience is that doing nutshell creates less understanding.

That being said I will miss Pie'n'eal and I do not agree with him that leaving serves any purpose. I will go and read the thread and comment more later.

[spiritguide]

Tony,

You will be missed for sure with your thought provoking posts. Glad to have crossed paths with you and be well.

Lou

:peace:

[learninglight]

'tony get your backside back here where its needed'

much love

[Mike Gorman]

This is a great shame, Pi'neal had a unique style and contributed a lot of worthwhile content-c'mon back Tony
just ignore the petty minded Negatoids!
Cheers

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

Enough of this....he will be missed!

"If you are irritated by every rub, how will your mirror be polished?"- Rumi

Come back and do some more rubbing!

Okay, that´s ego talking. :becky:
Whatever your choice, I have learnt much from you and for that I am very grateful.
Thank you for popping into my paradigm and see you in the next one. :)


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[RunningDeer]

Dear pie'n'eal/Tony,
No profound words spilling out just a wishing you continued health, love and lots of belly laughter!
Peace and with heart,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[Hervé]

Looking for that quote about "... good [wo]men doing nothing," I ran into this which is more applicable:

Burke in his Thoughts on the Cause of Present Discontents (http://oll.libertyfund.org/Texts/LFBooks/Burke0061/SelectWorks/HTMLs/0005-01_Pt02_Thoughts.html) (1770): "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."

Sorry you ended up getting baked on the stake.

[RunningDeer]

Tony has asked me to post this.
Dear Tarka the Duck,
I hope you are doing okay. My guess is that you are feeling the loss of a dear PA Friend and Teacher. I'm thinking of you.
Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer
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[Tarka the Duck]

Hello All - and thanks for the good wishes for Tony. He sends them right back at ya :tea:

I just want to reiterate...he is NOT leaving because he's got the 'ump!
He's not leaving because he can't deal with the Negatoids (love that word, Galaxy Horse!)!

He's leaving because there are a couple of people on here who seem to be profoundly disturbed by what he is writing.
They are unable to resist relentlessly taking pot shots and having sly digs :rolleyes:! He doesn't wish to be the cause of the irritation they clearly feel.
PMs haven't solved the issue...and he's had a fair few nasty ones to deal with :confused: !

As you probably know, he has really really enjoyed being on this forum (I think he's probably written something most days unless we were travelling) and chewing the cud with you all: he says it's been an invaluable experience and a huge learning process, and he is grateful for that.

None of us know what the future holds, but in the meantime, it's spring and the garden is calling...:dance::whoo::dance:

Kathie

PS for anyone who wants to keep in touch, the mods have his email.

[Referee]

Tony we will Miss You!

[Feritciva]

I definitely understand Tony and he's one of the people whose posts were meaningful and productive for me.

I also really feel disharmonius and negative in this forum and this even showed itself in my latest posts. I've been reading & writing in various forums for nearly 12 years and this is something I'm not used to.

So, agreed with Tony on departure and this is the last post you'll see from Feritciva. Bye all and take good care of yourselves.

[toothpick]

Always enjoyed your posts and always learned somethng as well.
You have obvious wisdom, only gained from decades of study, you will be sorely missed around here.
Your plethera of knowledge is needed dearly at this time, Tony.
Good luck on your journey, brother.

[Solstyse]

Dear Tony, Mr. Pie if you will.
I know I am new here and you probably won't read this post anyways, but if someone does read it and gives you my message it is this.

I am sorry for the negativity that you felt, and I can understand your desire to stop posting. Why would one want to keep coming back to snide comments, and nonconstructive criticism? It is neither healthy or productive. But with that said,
I believe your absence here does more harm than good. But that is just me being sad.
Your posts actually helped me a lot.
I wish we could of talked more


David.

[music]

When I was a child, my brothers and I used to sword fight. You could choose to fence like a gentleman, hedge and stab like a roman legionnaire, or hack hack hack like a barbarian or berserker. The Roman legionnaire was dead boring, and when one maintained the gentlemanly stance, the barbarian always won.

[Phoenix1304]

Tony will be missed to be sure.

Wish you well pie guy :nod::wave:


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Looking for that laugh button again.

Sorry to see anyone driven away by wretched minds. To Pie'neal and Feritciva, please consider this, you leave, the negatoids win.

[perolator]

Please identify the negatoids. Just to be fair. Expose them.

[mosquito]

What a sad sad sad loss, where are we going people ? What's happening here ?

Tony, if you get to read this, you must know that you are one of the most liked and revered members of this forum, it would be a real honour should you deciude to come back.
But if you decide not to, then go in peace broher, and live your life in the way you know how !

Love, Philip

[markoid]

Respect and best regards to Tony... know that you are much loved and appreciated by many here.. me included.

[markpierre]

Hey Tony kind of kept me here. I hope he can't stay away, but I really hope he goes somewhere that wants what he is.

I feel like I know what that is, and so I'll miss him.

To the people who think the purpose of the threads is to debate: It's not.

It's to share our accumulated knowledge.

Tony does his work. Doing our work is the most important thing for everyone right now.

If you don't know what that is, then you need to find out. If you do know what that is, we should be practicing it on each other.

Buddhism when practiced is a discipline. It's one of many many methods. The point is, it works if you work it. Like anything.

If you only just talk it, it's nothing. Trying to explain what it's meant to achieve is nothing as well. Who needs to know already does. Needing to explain it just illustrates the problem that it's offering to solve.
.
But I know what it is he's been offering. Conceptual thinking is what the third dimension is. Changing the way we think is the evolution. Not what we think, but how.

If you can't do that you don't change. You disallow it. If you know what you're trying to achieve, you're fooling yourself. What you REALLY want to achieve is unknowable.

And that's the rub. No amount of knowledge and information is going to help with that. You need courage and a blank screen, so that something new can be shown to you.

How do we do that? Well lots of ways and practicing Buddhism is a particularly graceful one.

A bit of it even rubbed off on me. It smells sweet.

[Anchor]

He's leaving because there are a couple of people on here who seem to be profoundly disturbed by what he is writing.
They are unable to resist taking pot shots and having sly digs :rolleyes:! He doesn't wish to be the cause of the irritation they clearly feel.
PMs haven't solved the issue...and he's had a fair few nasty ones to deal with :confused: !

Well reading that I am minded of: KJV Mat 10:34- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

Seriously I tried to think of something profound and convincing, but the best I could come up with was "Don't f**king leave you nob!"

:)

Seriously - think it over. I commented on the nuts thread as well.

You Buddhists - you're all intellectual vandalism aintcha :)

Teasing of course.

Seriously if you don't listen to reason! Then go well my friend and I will miss your posts.

John..

[G.Deluca]

take some time off,and then come back! your posts were interesting

[Hawkwind]

Well, I can understand getting tired and frustrated with trying to be a positive force in a world over-run with negatoids. I can even understand the need to walk away at times, at least long enough to recharge one's batteries. Leaving because said negatoids are uncomfortable with my presence, however, makes no sense to me. The dark siders probably wish anyone working for love and light would go to hell in a hand-basket. Should we accomodate them? I hope you reconsider, Tony. My cheese sandwich still needs a little work.

[christian]

Tony, excuse my rudeness.

If you cannot handle people, who disagree with what you say or maybe even willfully try to sabotage you, you are lost. You ask for them to 'let it be' if they don't resonate with something, yet you apparently cannot let them be just like that.

Accusing others, whether justified or unjustified, is giving power to others, it means "they have power over me and because of that, I am forced to do this and that". Well, sometimes one has to take some time to recede and contemplate. But after all, you might find, that it is possible to appreciate all the various voices as tests, that help you refine yourself. There's a gentle and non-attached way to deal with everything.

Your insights here are obviously much appreciated, looks kind of strange, that you go over such a petty dispute ;)

[Alan]

I don't get it. A few bad apples don't spoil the whole bunch.

There's a very nice forum feature that lets you ignore specific users. I suggest folks learn to use it....

[Tigressa]

Wow! That's a shame. He was a shining light here, unafraid to voice his opinion and be vulnerable, I will be sorry not to see his frank and soulful pic on the forum.
Not that I am here that much.. The vibes here are pretty bad some days. I love the info, but I can understand needing greener pastures energetically.

Onwards and upwards Pineal Man!:wizard:

[EsmaEverheart]

Tony,

I am very saddened that you have gone. I always enjoyed your threads. I will sorely miss you. Best wishes to you on where your Path takes you next.

[crested-duck]

I will miss you very much Pie ! Thanks for the knowledge you attempted to share for the benefit of all . Tony I think maybe you should go get your testosterone level checked, then return to this battle against evil once you are at 100% peak performance and have your balls back. We need knowledgeable, universal peace warriors now at this time more than ever . Seriously, Rob

[Samsara]

I will miss you Pie'n'eal. Hope you will continue posting on utube.

[Calz]

Tony once started a thread in an attempt to reinstate Lord Sid ...

.... here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36467-Petition-to-request-the-reinstatement-of-Lord-Sidious

Perhaps someone should start a thread titled "Petition-to-reqest-the-reinstatement-of-yourself" directed to Pie's attention???

Sometimes people come back when they take a breather and see all the love and respect they have earned from other members over time. Actually this thread serves the same purpose ... but you get the drift.


As for "negatives" this is *entirely* meant in fun for Tony and *not* directed at any others ... but ...


... anyone know if Gandalf was Buddhist???

:wizard:


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[Sidney]

Pie'n'eal- I understand the negativity gets too much to tolerate, but most likely where ever you go, there will be the same. We live in a diverse world, forums and all, there are good bad and ugly, but it really all balances out. Please drop some popcorn along your path, so you can find your way back if/when you choose. But if the path takes you to far beyond avalon, please be well, stay true, and know that you were/are appreciated here. Best wishes to you. Sincerely, Starchild111:wave:

[Ammit]

What a sad day, Tony you have been an inspiration to me to relearn the art of meditation, Your videos are always waited for with baited breath. I have often wanted to leave, was going too recently but thought, " why, those that give out negativity and like to tear down and ruin a good thread and discussion are not worth it".

They are not worth me leaving because the negativity of the very minute few are far out weighed by the superb views , comments and friendship of the many.

I would not like to see you leave my friend and would like to continue to read your views and watch your videos but, If you are set on this then, be safe on your future travels and may you inspire others as much as you did me.

Blessings

Ammit

[Tarka the Duck]

There's a very nice forum feature that lets you ignore specific users. I suggest folks learn to use it....


You know, we've never actually looked at that feature...does it mean that whatever is posted by a specific individual never actually appears on your screen? So you can plod on in blissful ignorance of their comments? I've heard people talk about the "ignore" button but haven't looked into it.

[Curt]

There's a very nice forum feature that lets you ignore specific users. I suggest folks learn to use it....


You know, we've never actually looked at that feature...does it mean that whatever is posted by a specific individual never actually appears on your screen? So you can plod on in blissful ignorance of their comments? I've heard people talk about the "ignore" button but haven't looked into it.

Hi Kathie,

Yes, that's exactly how it works. The posts from a given member can be made invisible to you across each and every thread in which they post. (You'll still see that they've made a post, but you won't see the substance of what they've written.)

It's sort of a last resort option, but might be helpful in some circumstances. If you're feeling especially antagonized and just want to tune it out either temporarily (it is reversible) or permanently.

[Sebastion]

Kathie:

Please pass on to Tony my affection and sorrow that he has left the forum. His sincere integrity and impeccability of character will be sorely missed! My very best wishes to the both of you!

[shijo]

Tony to leave because you dont wish to bring the Dharma into disrepute is a noble act, i understand. Lets all meet up again as we did last year at the ground crew meeting.Talking to you and Kathie was great,and the other 15 or so people too. Unity is the key after all. My deep regards, Shijo.

[Tarka the Duck]

There's a very nice forum feature that lets you ignore specific users. I suggest folks learn to use it....


You know, we've never actually looked at that feature...does it mean that whatever is posted by a specific individual never actually appears on your screen? So you can plod on in blissful ignorance of their comments? I've heard people talk about the "ignore" button but haven't looked into it.

Hi Kathie,

Yes, that's exactly how it works. The posts from a given member can be made invisible to you across each and every thread in which they post. (You'll still see that they've made a post, but you won't see the substance of what they've written.)

It's sort of a last resort option, but might be helpful in some circumstances. If you're feeling especially antagonized and just want to tune it out either temporarily (it is reversible) or permanently.

Thanks, Curtis. Does their post appear to others on your thread?
You know, I truly don't understand why people have this need to disrupt someone else's threads. I know it's tempting: I often have an almost overwhelming urge to write on threads with which I strongly disgree - I actually did it on my very first posting on PA and got a massive rap on the knuckles from Sierra - so now I work hard to resist the desire to search out and destroy ;) !


Oh, and Chiquetet -

It's an over-simplification to say that T has left because of one petty dispute. You should know him better that to think that of him...

Kathie

[Curt]

There's a very nice forum feature that lets you ignore specific users. I suggest folks learn to use it....


You know, we've never actually looked at that feature...does it mean that whatever is posted by a specific individual never actually appears on your screen? So you can plod on in blissful ignorance of their comments? I've heard people talk about the "ignore" button but haven't looked into it.

Hi Kathie,

Yes, that's exactly how it works. The posts from a given member can be made invisible to you across each and every thread in which they post. (You'll still see that they've made a post, but you won't see the substance of what they've written.)

It's sort of a last resort option, but might be helpful in some circumstances. If you're feeling especially antagonized and just want to tune it out either temporarily (it is reversible) or permanently.

Thanks, Curtis. Does their post appear to others on your thread?
You know, I truly don't understand why people have this need to disrupt someone else's threads. I know it's tempting: I often have an almost overwhelming urge to write on threads with which I strongly disgree - I actually did it on my very first posting on PA and got a massive rap on the knuckles from Sierra - so now I work hard to resist the desire to search out and destroy ;) !


Oh, and Chiquetet -

It's an over-simplification to say that T has left because of one petty dispute. You should know him better that to think that of him...

Kathie

Hi Kathie,

Their post will show to everyone else, but not to you. (And not to anyone else who has decided to block seeing their posts.) But their posts will show up to everyone else, yes.

Yep, it's tempting to jump into the fray and cross swords on occasion; we've all been tempted, and in many cases failed. It's to be expected.

But I confess to not truly understanding Tony's decision to leave based upon the idea that his presence is bringing the Dharma into disrepute. Surely he's not responsible for the ill-advised, hostile words of other people. That's on them.

Besides, I think the people who watch closely will know what's what.

Please know that this is not a criticism. I would just like to see Tony back on the forum. But it goes without saying I respect his decision.

[cloud9]

Well, I'm very sad about this but in my heart I hope Tony will be back. Some of our members have said good by but fortunately they come back after a while, this is a good forum and they know it, well... we know it.
I agree some here are a little difficult but that's the way things are, we are all teachers of others and vice versa.
Tony, please come back soon...

[9eagle9]

Tony, isn't aren't repsonsible for other peoples feelings or behaviors. Nor is repsonslbe for the choices that people make. If the creation of drama was halted in this forum, it clean out in 15 minutes, and there'd be 25 people left, Tony and Tarka among them.

My self I have noticed an astonishing amount of people who claim to be adults that do nothing but whine because someone isn't babysitting their feelings. And they have moderation scrambling all over the place when they intiate in their emotionally driven control dramas. We've all been brainwashed, even generationally that we are resonsible for other's emotional welfare. We're not. We have certain responsbility to not impose our **** on others, someone has takne the ball on run with that one, attempting to make everyone responsible for them. Its sick really.

It's the non-responsiblity philosophies of our new disabling religions that do this. We have a zillion entites out there reassuring people they'll make them happy. Now these people have shifted this responsiblity on to their peers.

We already know most of this caused by these superfiical bubble gum new age religions that keep people in state of emotional arrest. I observe one man on here daily who professes to have a close friend on the forum and showers her with extravagant compliments. . I watch at least once a week as he overdramatizes something and I watch him run back and impose on his 'friend' so she can manage his emotional state. He's holding her hostage and its plains she feels responsible for his emotion, so he runs back so she can pat him on the ass, and he runs and creates emo drama. A repeated program of covert emotional manipulation. I found fascinating until I felt the barf mechanism kicking. I removed the person in question from friend's list, he'snot a friend he's a vampire. He's nice so that should excuse him from this behavior, right?

No. Not in my book. It's just one example of the emo drama of people who label themselves as spiritual and are anything but. They can't control themselves at all. And you can't talk about anything that promotes self responsiblity because they go on the attack. . And they resent people like Tony who has philosophy about self responsbilty, getting so reactive they don't understand its about self POWER. This is where the authority of ourself is, our power. He didn't create that resentment, that was instilled in him before this forum ever came into existence. Deflection , deflection, deflection.

Tony is not creating negativity they are abusing him by creating sickness in themselves because they can't manage themselves, and blaming him.

They do it to me all the time and I just have to laff. They can't do anything really, their babies. And some part of them knows how underdeveloped they are so they attack those who are more developed.






Tony has asked me to post this.



Why I have left the forum.

I have to leave the forum as I do not want to be the cause of disharmony, or bring the Dharma into disrepute. I'm not angry – but I am sad that the world is in such a bad state, and we are trying to find a way to help one another...but people are still choosing to be so negative.

For example, there is a thread about, let's say, how a cheese sandwich could be made, and someone keeps coming onto a thread and saying, “I don't like sandwiches!” Not only that, but they are telling people that cheese sandwiches are bad for their health!

That is not a discussion about how a cheese sandwich could be made. These are pointless, self-obsessed remarks. If you don't like cheese sandwiches, go to what attracts you - that would be a positive action. Whether you personally like sandwiches or not was not the topic of this OP!

A couple of individuals frequently try to disrupt threads I write, because they do not like my approach. And they are unable to let it be. Their reactions are antagonistic, and destroy the flow of a thread, so others who may come along later cannot follow a logical flow of discussion.
I have had to bring this type of action to the forum's notice before. I have spoken to the individuals about this on PMs, but this is still happening. These are not discussions: these are wilful attempts to break up the thread. My main concern is it drags others into thinking the same way.

If you wish to see this in action, analyse the thread, 'Buddhism in a nutshell'.

These are not positive actions,: they are negative actions.
This negativity creates problems on the forum – it does nothing to solve them. It is a pointless destructive activity.
The sad thing is the moderators see this and do nothing: maybe it's too subtle.

Buddhism is such a vast subject, and I can only give people a glimpse at what it is. The true Dharma will not be found in books or on websites.
A true knowledge of the Dharma is found in the practice. To find out about this, one has to go to a Dharma centre.

The point is, how will you know that you have a choice, if it is not presented to you? That is why I write.
I have to leave the forum as I do not want to be the cause of disharmony, or bring the Dharma into disrepute.

I've made some really fabulous friends here...So long, and thanks for all the fish!

All the best,
Tony

[markpierre]

Pie'n'eal- I understand the negativity gets too much to tolerate, but most likely where ever you go, there will be the same. We live in a diverse world, forums and all, there are good bad and ugly, but it really all balances out.

Hey sorry to isolate this from a really sweet post. I just need to make a point, I recon it's to Tony.

'Negativity' which is only fear, is poisonous right now to anyone seriously doing his stuff. Everyone is carrying their full load of fear already. We can at least dilute it a little if we need to gather up like this, rather than compound it.
It doesn't balance out, it gets more and more compacted until something cracks, and then everything falls apart. That's the thing all the groups want to avoid. I'm not convinced that's a bad thing and should be avoided. I'm making a serious point of refusing to avoid anything.

It's true, wherever I go there's not just a bit of fear, but I don't blame it on diversity, I blame it on laziness. I want to choose whether I want to handle it, and happily I get to choose. I would imagine everyone should feel that way.
Sometimes it looks like a big F.O. 'Handling' whats destructive is what we're trained as humans to do. That's why things have to become an Armageddon before anyone stops putting up with (we're talking about the whole world now you understand) insanity.

It's our own minds we're at war with. I could say 'and not each other', but it doesn't apply here. We're literally at war between whats tolerable to us and what definitely is not. Before we didn't know we had a choice. But now we also know that compromise is not one of the choices.
At some point you know what you're doing and verification is irrelevant. I'd be happy in a cave.

Nothing changes significantly until we stop compromising entirely. Then it's exponential. We know that.

There's certainly no judgement in at least taking a break from the annoyance, especially minds that know how to fully do that.
Who here wouldn't pick a nice holiday in stillness and calm? That's just as real as the contents of this moronic dream.

But it's not like that. It's really back into the catacombs to rut out more tombs and dig through them because that's the real job. There's a lot of joy and fulfillment in that.

But some guys will do that and some guys won't.

[christian]

Oh, and Chiquetet -

It's an over-simplification to say that T has left because of one petty dispute. You should know him better that to think that of him...

I meant to be provocative :hippie:

The same issue surfacing time and again in multiple slightly different variations counts as one from a bigger perspective :plane:

[Forevernyt]

Tony, I'm very sorry to see you go. You were one of the first people who friended me here and I enjoyed your wit and knowledge. It's shameful that a few bad eggs forces someone like you to leave a place you called home.

Travel peacefully my friend.

“If it’s time to go, remember what you’re leaving. Remember the best. My friends have always been the best of me.” - The Doctor

[conk]

Man oh man, this is a great loss. Tony, I pray you reconsider. In the parlance of the Christians, What Would Buddha Do? WWBD? Likely make some sly observation that most of us could not understand and would need Tony to translate. Bad day at Paint Rock for this forum.

[Billy]

There's a very nice forum feature that lets you ignore specific users. I suggest folks learn to use it....


You know, we've never actually looked at that feature...does it mean that whatever is posted by a specific individual never actually appears on your screen? So you can plod on in blissful ignorance of their comments? I've heard people talk about the "ignore" button but haven't looked into it.

Yes i think that is how it works,You only see a blank comment on the person you ignore. I have not yet tried it yet but have been tempted a few times.

I dont usually comment on people leaving threads, I have my reasons and one is that most leave because their ego has been deflated somehow. then the drama unfolds in the "I am out of here thread" :drama: poor me i tried to share my great knowledge but nobody listened :violin: but this is not the case here,

So Sorry to hear you are leaving Tony. And i agree that there is quite a few not just negative but down right destructive members here on Avalon, They usually never create threads of their own but love dumping their negative baggage on many great educational and inspiring threads.

I sometimes wished that the creators of threads had a little more moderating ability in their own threads, for example, to clean up threads and delete offtopic comments, I know the mods do a great job under the circumstances but it is asking to much of them to monitor all the threads. Plus if someone takes a personal dislike to another member they can be very distruptive and totally destroy threads,

although i say "each to their own! and "live and let live" this is no excuse for downright negative bad behavour.

Please try again using the ignore link Tony, but i cannot see this working as other people can still see the nagativity and comment on that negative post, this i presume would leave you wondering what others are commenting about, and the thread goes offtopic again.

MODS, what is the solution to this ongoing problem

peace and may you always shine brightly Tony

[Tarka the Duck]

There's certainly no judgement in at least taking a break from the annoyance, especially minds that know how to fully do that.
Who here wouldn't pick a nice holiday in stillness and calm? That's just as real as the contents of this moronic dream.


Love it :cool:


I sometimes wished that the creators of threads had a little more moderating ability in their own threads, for example, to clean up threads and delete offtopic comments,

I haven't thought this through, before anyone jumps down my throat ;) but that sounds interesting...what do others think?

[Tenzin]

Brother Tony! Your departure ushered the trembling of the Earth and perhaps in all the 3 worlds. Look at what you almost did to Japan just a while ago! Please do not let Mara win, for it is only human nature you have been dealing with and the Truth can never be blemished by anything or anyone. The ripe nuts will appreciate what resonates as Truths.

[jcocks]

Wow. Another extremely valuable member lost to the forum :( It's such a pity he feels the need to leave :(

I've thought about leaving too, when Sid was kicked off.... But there isn't anywhere else to go that comes close to the quality of what we have here.... Despite all the good people who have left of late, we still have a BRILLIANT resource here for our use, and it hasn't really suffered from the loss of any one person...

In fact, we could look at the loss of these members as a request for us all to step up the plate and help up the quality of the posts, to fill the gap so to speak. Each one of us is more than capable of doing so.
The whole is greater than the sum of it's parts, so to speak :)

The thing, above all, that has kept me here through it all is that this is my spiritual home, and I can't do without it at this time - I am having a hard time "out there" at the moment. Here, regardless of all the crap that people try to put out, I can still find my sustenance and companionship. All I have to do is look hard enough. It isn't hard! :)

I love you all.

[markpierre]

I sometimes wished that the creators of threads had a little more moderating ability in their own threads, for example, to clean up threads and delete offtopic comments,

I haven't thought this through, before anyone jumps down my throat ;) but that sounds interesting...what do others think?


How about a flag system instead of thanks.

Like blue means cool, yellow is 'off topic' and red is 'I'm seeing red'. Green can mean 'you just healed me brother'.

[ROMANWKT]

My dearest Tony and Kathie

I was a little bowled over for your reasons to depart from us here at Avalon.

Firstly I would like to tell you of my respect that I have for you both perusing this line of discipline called Buddhism, by this very statement, I know who you both are, therefore my very deepest and sincerest respect would be inadequate for how I view both of you.

As you will remember I had my leave of Avalon for a few hours before returning back home, yes there was this hole, its called unfinished business.

You Tony, with your dear partner, have brought to us a higher learning, a higher understanding that many of us failed to understand its immediate value, and many as myself have struggled to find a definite answer to what is and what is not, and to accept that what is, and what is not is not important, its the understanding thereof.

Yes we have those that rebuff at what is said as a direction of a particular discipline, it is always expected in dealing with the mind, as we all know, we all have different experiences, therefore different views.

You my friend brought a most valuable key with you that you have persisted with in its growing attendance, its the key that is always included in your presentation that can help people to understand the finer details of what you have been trying frustratingly to transfer to people here at Avalon, after all you have 4 decades of utilising this key and its revelation.

I have read http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42327-Buddhism-in-a-nutshell. And come to the conclusion that we have spoken enough times of the phone for you to know where I stand on this view concerning religions, or in this case as you would like to be called a discipline, because you know I don’t follow any, and I do stand with Bollinger, because of my experiences and of what I had found of thousands of years of manipulated human minds, therefore its difficult to remove without great caution and understanding for what these that attempt to mislead in every ways possible and through anyway means available. And at the same time I have absolutely no problem with Another Bob, you may be picking on finer aspect that I do not comprehend. In my case I can only express the feeling in a most English refined way to all this possible nonsense, its Bo££ocks, that’s my answer to all who had upset you. There I had done it for you, I know you feel better now.

Concerning the Key, its probably the most important is this case, seeing that those that you feel have not the ear for what you are trying make understood, that key with use, and the knowledge of how to use it is MEDITATION, with use all will have to relinquish their doctrine as they enter fully within and come back relabelling themselves as part of this or the other, which eventually all will comprehend the futility and nonsense behind the labels that the Bu££$hitters of this world require you to uphold for the separation of humanity, our weakest point being separation.

Therefore I beg your to reconsider your stance here on Avalon as being very crucial to the forward movement of our Avalon family, and continue with a fresh outlook to the benefits of all here and the 60 + already doing meditation work with you already.

I know that you are a gentleman and shall do the right thing by us all, so please return and answer this message to you here.

If this fails to move you, its my birthday today, and I am catching up to you my friend, and that my birthday wish is for you to please come back and answer me.

My warmest and sincerest regards to you both
roman

[Tarka the Duck]

I sometimes wished that the creators of threads had a little more moderating ability in their own threads, for example, to clean up threads and delete offtopic comments,

I haven't thought this through, before anyone jumps down my throat ;) but that sounds interesting...what do others think?


How about a flag system instead of thanks.

Like blue means cool, yellow is 'off topic' and red is 'I'm seeing red'. Green can mean 'you just healed me brother'. Or sister :girl_wink:

That sounds good too...on a more drastic track, could the "ignore" feature mean that that person is not able to post on your threads? Or is that going too far?

[Little Ishta]

I am appalled by everything that has been going on in this forum. It seems that no one has their own opinion to share anymore without being attacked. There is no openness of the mind. It seems there are still a lot of people who are close minded. If you do not like what is being said in a thread, pray tell, why bother with the thread? Unless you are a psychic vampire that loves to drain positive energies. Or you are just a miserable person who does not want to feel miserable alone. Or you just like to cause trouble.... be disrespectful. Once again it all comes down to RESPECT. And from what I have been seeing, there is certainly a lack of it. This forum is not the same anymore. I too have been thinking of leaving. What is the point of staying here where the negativity outweighs the positivity? I am sadden that Tony left. He saw the negativity as well. Others see it. And people are getting tired of it. To be honest here, and in my opinion, its like these 'trolls' are planted here to keep disruption flowing. I do not want to keep on seeing people leaving because of this. We have lost too many. Dark and Light. Light and Dark. Can we find a balance? I hope so.

[Camilo]

Farewell on your journey Tony.

[Curt]

I sometimes wished that the creators of threads had a little more moderating ability in their own threads, for example, to clean up threads and delete offtopic comments,

I haven't thought this through, before anyone jumps down my throat ;) but that sounds interesting...what do others think?


How about a flag system instead of thanks.

Like blue means cool, yellow is 'off topic' and red is 'I'm seeing red'. Green can mean 'you just healed me brother'. Or sister :girl_wink:

That sounds good too...on a more drastic track, could the "ignore" feature mean that that person is not able to post on your threads?

meh.......not sure about that idea ......tempting though it may be at times....doesn't feel right somehow.

Others may disagree....:plane:

[kersley]

I somewhat agree with Tony. I sign in to Avalon everyday looking out for news. good news.
I read all the channeled information because it makes me feel good. I wake up the next day feeling a sense of hope, a bright future for us all.
You don't have to believe these messages. you take it or leave, but why spend so much time reading stuff you think is BS?
Furthermore why even comment? It's been said above. skip that thread and move on to the next.

The pattern is clear for all to see. A year ago Avalon wasn't like this.
I believe that Avalon has been infiltrated. Some have come here to destroy and separate Avalon. These negative members are not working with us but against us.

[sirdipswitch]

No wonder ET's are scared to land. If we can't learn and accept those of our own race, in love and peace, how will we ever be able to accept those of another world, in love and peace. I learned in the 3rd grade, that not everyone agreed with me and I was crushed. How could they not agree with me? It served to seal my lips and not give my opinion. I became a listener and never put in my two cents untill I was absolutely certain, of my postion and even then there were dissenters, which made me look even further into what I believed to be truth, on a given sbject. I then just started blabbing everything that I thought was truth and never ran from the dissenters again. I'm now sixty seven years old and the dissenters haven't killed me yet, so I figure if they don't kill me, then when we get done dissagreeing, we can go get a beer. It's good for us to stop and think with thier brain every now and then, to check our own status. Are we really who and what we think we are? Individuallity, is what makes this old rock go round. Thats precisely why we left 11th density to come here. This ain't boring. Lighten up, deal with it, and then we'll go get a beer and laugh about it. The powers that think they be, hate it when we refuse to argue.

Okay, let's go get that beer. cc. (chuckle chuckle)


I AM the peace maker
love and peace
sirdipswitch

[kersley]

YES... a flag system would work well. it will make all the dark forces on here light up in bright red..

[markpierre]

That sounds good too...on a more drastic track, could the "ignore" feature mean that that person is not able to post on your threads? Or is that going too far?

I think it would be a loss to censure what could be opportunities. It's difficult a lot of the time to understand if something was a reasonable or useful comment or not.

I think if people could see a range of true reactions and found that they were getting reactions contrary to what they hoped for, they might rethink what they have to say or how, maybe in a nice organic way.
Or whether to say anything.
It doesn't need to be associated with who it is that does or doesn't appreciate the post. That should be completely anonymous.

The right response to anything is to consider your agenda or motivation.

[Tarka the Duck]

Tony has asked me to post this.
Dear Tarka the Duck,
I hope you are doing okay. My guess is that you are feeling the loss of a dear PA Friend and Teacher. I'm thinking of you.
Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer
................................................:rapture:

Thank you for that, WCBD! That is so kind.

It's not quite so simple though...I'm married to the old bugger...;)

[unicorny]

Pie'n'eal, I'm totally gutted that you are leaving the forum I love your posts and get so much out of them although often I dont feel like I can comment on what you say it helps me so much I know what you are saying about negative posting. Your descision has made a sad day that wee bit sadder for me.
with love
unicorny

[Kimberley]

Tony Much love to you always in all ways!!! :luv: :hug:

[Deega]

Thanks Tarka, great of you to share this lost.

As we know, we live in a dualistic world where both polarities manifest, and most often times, we love the positive over the negative.

But unfortunately, it’s the negative who bring us out of our security, and we don’t always have the best of response always. I would say Tony, you’re a great soul, you know a lot of things, I love to read your Tread, I don’t always comments because, I feel that I don’t have good contributions to make. I would say Tony, shake this one out, you’re more that the negative shed on you!

All the best to you Tony and whichever path you choose, all my best wishes.

Deega

[christian]

I don't like the idea of thread starters moderating their thread with other means than replying or ignoring specific posts. For them to have the power to delete others' postings would be ripe for abuse.

I don't like the coloured flag system either. Nobody likes to be called names and put down. If someone violates the forum guidelines this can be reported and the mods can decide on an issue, works just fine.

[andrewgreen]

He's turning his energies to what he perceives will be more useful and I hope he's right. A loss to this website but probably a positive move for Tony. There is definite paradox's associated with following the alternative media maybe Tony is now more aware of them or more aware his energies aren't having the desired affect of helping people overcome illusions and paradox's in the way he desired.

[Debra]

Pie n eal, of all the posters, in all the forums, I have always found a safe space in your gentle garden domain. I wish you would stay, like all the others are saying because you are special - your words and the energy you imbue to carry them through - tell me you are a fine human being with conscious soul connection.
Your action to depart, now throws your thinking on buddhism into the light. A savvy PR person would also say: good move.
But I feel that this is a decision borne out of deep concern and very close to your heart. By telling us of your reasons, also serves as a reflection for us all. And that is the ripple effect you have created already. Powerful.
If you are back in these parts, Tony, don´t be a stranger. Your voice is always welcomed from Zebra x

[Curt]

I don't like the idea of thread starters moderating their thread with other means than replying or ignoring specific posts. For them to have the power to delete others' postings would be ripe for abuse.

I don't like the coloured flag system either. Nobody likes to be called names and put down. If someone violates the forum guidelines this can be reported and the mods can decide on an issue, works just fine.

That sounds 100% correct to my ears....There is a system in place already that can deal with these things.

:ear:

[greybeard]

Tony has asked me to post this.
Dear Tarka the Duck,
I hope you are doing okay. My guess is that you are feeling the loss of a dear PA Friend and Teacher. I'm thinking of you.
Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer
................................................:rapture:

Thank you for that, WCBD! That is so kind.

It's not quite so simple though...I'm married to the old bugger...;)

I think it is great that you are both so enthusiastic for your path and obviously have a good relationship.
If Tony reads your post that Im responding to DUCK!!!!!
Humor rules ok!!!
My regards to himself.

Chris

[CdnSirian]

I'm very sad to see Tony go. He persisted for a long time in his steady, thoughtful posts. He reminded me many times of how to return my balance, and focus on simplicity. He reminded me that meditation is never perfected, and does not need to be.

It is disappointing to read a new thread here, see some interesting information or a viewpoint that seemingly invites discourse, and then respond with some ideas about it, and then Smack! Zap! Pow! Usually in the form of snide comments like "do your homework" or the follow up by a third party with a 3000 word essay that has Nothing to do with the thread. The original poster does not come back to take care of their discussion or keep it on track, or invite someone to start their own thread. The whole thing just gets wild and it is completely a waste of time to keep posting and respectfully inform this person - that's a different topic dear - or that person - what exactly do you mean by...it's a waste of time.

Many of Tony's threads were long and fascinating with a wonderfully peaceful discourse about the how-to's and wherefores and so forth about the mind, the constant seductions from the culture to stay forever distracted, and evoked thoughtful responses.

However, I learned that when I see a thread that has become long, it is usually best to pass on it. I know it's going to be a whirlwind of disorganized or just plain rude nastiness and competition. I still get drawn into some with enticing titles or a seemingly organized presentation that evokes near hysteria, and is then abandoned or the flames are fanned. Who benefits?

Such a shame. Will miss Tony very much. He was our own "Good night and good luck" voice of calm.

[Tarka the Duck]

I don't like the idea of thread starters moderating their thread with other means than replying or ignoring specific posts. For them to have the power to delete others' postings would be ripe for abuse.

I don't like the coloured flag system either. Nobody likes to be called names and put down. If someone violates the forum guidelines this can be reported and the mods can decide on an issue, works just fine.

That sounds 100% correct to my ears....There is a system in place already that can deal with these things.

:ear:

I'm not sure that everyone would agree that it's working fine - I have personally experienced some strange mod decisions that I don't agree with - but in that case, I suppose it's a matter of like it or put up with it or leave.

[markpierre]

I don't like the idea of thread starters moderating their thread with other means than replying or ignoring specific posts. For them to have the power to delete others' postings would be ripe for abuse.

I don't like the coloured flag system either. Nobody likes to be called names and put down. If someone violates the forum guidelines this can be reported and the mods can decide on an issue, works just fine.

That sounds 100% correct to my ears....There is a system in place already that can deal with these things.:ear:

Actually I agree. None of it sits right. Here we are talking about babysitting each other when we should be able to just ask for respect and thoughtfulness.

[Corncrake]

Dear Tarka

Please tell Tony how sorry I am that he has felt the need to leave. Though I have rarely commented - other than hitting the thank you button - on his threads I have read most of them and enjoyed them. They were often very thought provoking but not always - for me at least - easy to respond to deserving a lot of pondering and time which I don't have. Tony definitely added a spiritual perspective to the forum as well as some down to earth common sense. When he wanted to let off steam it was always gently done!

I briefly met Tony at the London meet-up last summer - I was only there for an hour but hoped we would all be able to meet again this year.

Re-reading this it sounds a bit like an obit - sorry!

Anyway maybe - after a break - he will come back.

Best wishes, Sarah

[Tarka the Duck]

I don't like the idea of thread starters moderating their thread with other means than replying or ignoring specific posts. For them to have the power to delete others' postings would be ripe for abuse.

I don't like the coloured flag system either. Nobody likes to be called names and put down. If someone violates the forum guidelines this can be reported and the mods can decide on an issue, works just fine.

That sounds 100% correct to my ears....There is a system in place already that can deal with these things.:ear:

Actually I agree. None of it sits right. Here we are talking about babysitting each other when we should be able to just ask for respect and thoughtfulness.

You'd think so, wouldn't you?

[SEAM]

TONY - A warrior who stumbles onto a "Petty Tyrant" is a lucky one... I thought you were above..

Quote: "Many people fall victim to the Petty Tyrants of the world and being defeated by one means a loss of one's vital energies. The Seer Don Juan explained to Castaneda that it was the task of Warriors to learn to face these Petty Tyrants with temperance and to prevail against their torments. Dealing with Petty Tyrants called for four qualities of warriorship: control, discipline, forbearance and timing. Whereas to be defeated meant to act in anger, and potentially join the ranks of the Petty Tyrants."

TUFFLUV

[Tarka the Duck]

TONY - A warrior who stumbles onto a "Petty Tyrant" is a lucky one... I thought you were above..

Quote: "Many people fall victim to the Petty Tyrants of the world and being defeated by one means a loss of one's vital energies. The Seer Don Juan explained to Castaneda that it was the task of Warriors to learn to face these Petty Tyrants with temperance and to prevail against their torments. Dealing with Petty Tyrants called for four qualities of warriorship: control, discipline, forbearance and timing. Whereas to be defeated meant to act in anger, and potentially join the ranks of the Petty Tyrants."

TUFFLUV

Thanks SEAM - who could disagree? But just to clarify, T is not acting in anger...


I'm not angry – but I am sad that the world is in such a bad state, and we are trying to find a way to help one another...but people are still choosing to be so negative.I'm not angry – but I am sad that the world is in such a bad state, and we are trying to find a way to help one another...but people are still choosing to be so negative.

[crested-duck]

On a serious note-Pie if you need some reassurance that what you've been doing here matters, just look at these posts,damn near 80 alreaddy in just a few hours. And I was dead serious in my last post about getting t. level checked.-----On a lighter note now- Did anybody else notice today is 3.14 -It's officially Pie day ! and Happy Birthday to ROMANWYK !

[WHOMADEGOD]

He provided balance.

The Jigsaw has just lost a major piece.

Many thanks and many blessings.

Mark

[Tarka the Duck]

Did anybody else notice today is 3.14 -It's officially Pie day !

Never 'eard of it ;) !! But OMG...there it is!! And there was me thinking that synchronicity stuff was all very iffy...now THAT has really made me smile :biggrin1:

National Pi(e) Day - March 14

Celebrate the spirit of National Pi Day with the American Pie Council and help a great cause.

[greybeard]

Tony got in excess of twelve thousand thank yous--- that is a measure of the respect and attention his posts get.
Hopefully in time he will return.
Chris

[Tarka the Duck]

http://www.servings.org/images/pies/infographic_home.png



And now I have worked out the significance of this...:doh:

[ViralSpiral]

LOOOOOOL . I had no pi-dea ! ;)



Gotta love synchronicity.....

Here's his brother, pie'n'ear


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6zAdi-8q6oY/TimUdLszTiI/AAAAAAAAARg/b0BgiUQpVFE/s1600/PieFace.jpg

[NeverMind]

'tony get your backside back here where its needed'



I second this wholeheartedly!
Honestly, Tony, how could you even think that your absence would be of greater benefit than your presence?

Each one of us have their own notion of "Project Avalon"; and that notion is not made by the threads themselves. It's the people - the vague but very real constellation of names (and faces), and the memory of their individual virtual voices - that make up a general feeling that draws us back.
And right now, my own constellation, my own notion of PA, has suffered another big blow.


I do hope you reconsider.
But most of all, I hope you are well, whatever you do and wherever you are.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


It's not quite so simple though...I'm married to the old bugger...http://projectavalon.net/images/smilies/wink.pngI had no idea!
Oh well, then you know what to do. :-)



P.S.


I also really feel disharmonius and negative in this forum

Feritciva, isn't that all the MORE reason to stay?
Isn't our role in life better fulfilled if we contribute our light, rather than helping a situation get even darker by removing our light?

That's how I think, obviously.
You may think otherwise.
I wish you all the best, whatever you do.

[NeverMind]

A few bad apples don't spoil the whole bunch.

They can if you LET them. :-)

[Tarka the Duck]

Tony has just asked me to put this on...he's been out in the garden all day and has just came in for a cuppa:

It has suddenly struck me that there is a tremendous amount of genuine love in the world at this moment, and it is pouring out of PA from the hearts of individuals.
The individuals make a collective, which is the basis of human unity.

[Debra]

Tarka the Duck, I could not go past this post, you called me in. I know it is tempting to go this way, but what purpose does it offer? Speaking in the moment, I think it is just a short term opportunity for respite, a band aid effect. It is also a measure of control that is preventing energy flowing. And that only serves to clogs up the system too, because it will only re manifest. I was thinking perhaps that - in place of biting back, which is not very emotionally intelligent I suppose, but taking the road of silence. You allow the negative to have its space and, after a while, when there is no drama ensuing, no one is responding, the negative is just left with itself - and looking at its own reflection.






I sometimes wished that the creators of threads had a little more moderating ability in their own threads, for example, to clean up threads and delete offtopic comments,

I haven't thought this through, before anyone jumps down my throat ;) but that sounds interesting...what do others think?

[Tarka the Duck]

Tarka the Duck, I could not go past this post, you called me in. I know it is tempting to go this way, but what purpose does it offer? Speaking in the moment, I think it is just a short term opportunity for respite, a band aid effect. It is also a measure of control that is preventing energy flowing. And that only serves to clogs up the system too, because it will only re manifest. I was thinking perhaps that - in place of biting back, which is not very emotionally intelligent I suppose, but taking the road of silence. You allow the negative to have its space and, after a while, when there is no drama ensuing, no one is responding, the negative is just left with itself - and looking at its own reflection.






I sometimes wished that the creators of threads had a little more moderating ability in their own threads, for example, to clean up threads and delete offtopic comments,

I haven't thought this through, before anyone jumps down my throat ;) but that sounds interesting...what do others think?

Yes, I do agree...maybe if we all make efforts not to respond? If we all strengthened our tongue-biting abilities? (Viral - got a picture for that?)
I suppose problems only arise when people do respond, and the thread heads off sideways over the horizon, never to return.

[Selene]

Dear Pie:

"Dammit, Scotty, don't you realize you're necessary around here?"

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/3622/whyofferawordtothewisew.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/854/whyofferawordtothewisew.jpg/)

Come back soon,

Selene

[Debra]

✔



How about a flag system instead of thanks.

Like blue means cool, yellow is 'off topic' and red is 'I'm seeing red'. Green can mean 'you just healed me brother'.
http://www.wallpaperpimper.com/wallpaper/Landscape/Tree/Green-Light-Forest-1-3YJ67OGC36-1024x768.jpg

[ViralSpiral]

Look, here's another pie. An Ides of March one.
Heart-burn material.
Take a Rennies, have another cuppa and see ya tomorrow!



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8cpRUo-OIBE/T1K5dmEcA5I/AAAAAAAAdCM/oGUfgGWbWvc/s1600/March%2B14%252C%2B2012%2Bgrand%2Btrine.jpg



p.s. don't forget to consult your favourite gland ;)

[Poly Hedra]

I'm really sad to see Pie'n'eal go too. I think the idea of the OP having more control over their thread is a great idea. I dont think its as simple as people just not resonationg anymore.
DO people not think that maybe the way a forum is set up also needs to be re-examined too? Just like every other modality in our world right now?
We have a problem that needs to be fixed.

Every thread could be the responsibility of the OP and while being also monitored by the MODs . There is room for discussion.

I hope you come back Pie'n'eal because a few short words from you helped me to figure something out that was really important to me.
So thank you for that and I hope to see you again. :)

[RunningDeer]

Tony has asked me to post this.
Dear Tarka the Duck,
I hope you are doing okay. My guess is that you are feeling the loss of a dear PA Friend and Teacher. I'm thinking of you.
Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer
................................................:rapture:

Thank you for that, WCBD! That is so kind.

It's not quite so simple though...I'm married to the old bugger...;)

Oh, I didn't know that! Things make more sense to me now. That's great! You've got each other, so that means it's just a little bump in the road. It's nice to see how much Master Pie'n'eal is loved. If he does not decide to come back, I know it's for reasons greater than Project Avalon. Sometimes, it’s just time to move on, and a reason unfolds either from within or from another.

Judging by the messages expressed, it looks like many have been positively impacted by all the knowledge shared. The way I see it, to return or not to return - Master Pie'n'eal's teachings continue to live on and multiply.

My two cents would be take a break. See if there's even a tiny inkling in his heart that this is where his assistance calls to “him”. I think that’s most important. Take a break. Have some Ben and Jerry’s. Come back even part-time and play lightly like in his floss video.

Even masters are human. They feel the craziness that abounds these days. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that they feel how so many silently weep, and mistakenly think it is their own anguish. In a sense it is, isn’t it? That’s the gift of a Blessed Moment, when the Teacher becomes the Student and the Student becomes the Teacher - and then All One.

This I know: Master Pie’n’eal serves as a Beacon of Light, no matter how far away he goes. It’s just his nature, or is it just the nature of things?

Great Blessings and Love, to You and Tony, a.k.a. Master Pie’n’eal

[aranuk]

Come back Tony Pie, please. I will miss you if you don't. And so will hundreds of others.

Stan

[king anthony]

Tony has asked me to post this.
Why I have left the forum... ...All the best,
Tony

I can say I know how you feel - you were supportive of me when I had left the forum and were supportive of me when I came back. I sincerely offer the same to you. Cheers!!!

[Daft Ada]

Now then Tony, I am surprised that a man of your integrity and following has allowed some of the nasty narcissistic members of this forum get to you, no need to leave, if you feel so strongly about it just do as I do and read the posts and say nothing other than to the people you love and trust.
Hi Quackie xx

[Lettherebelight]

This may be a good lesson for us all when it comes to responding to other's beliefs and faith.

We all have them, and they are constantly evolving...hopefully.

Some folks, in a mood of benevolence, attempt to share their deep convictions. They may or may not be looking for a philosophical debate. It may be worthwhile to examine if there is invitation to engage in philosophical debate or not (ie. is that what the thread is about?), or is the thread more in a mood of sharing for people who may be attracted to that path? Some people enjoy a joust of reason and logic. Perhaps at the OP it could be made clear.

The spiritual sector of the forum is a very sensitive and personal place..enter with caution and respect!

I am talking to myself as well.

Ok Pie, we learned the lesson....hope to see you here again?

[Debra]

It is a good point you make about the flag system chiquetet - but are not the words people use in their posts loaded with their judgements anyway, about what they think is right, wrong or something in between? I think the flag system and the definitions that markpierre offered are quite fair and they cut to the chase. And all categories I think, even the lower end ones, I do not think denote any meanness of spirit. I also see them as gentle feedback mechanisms that tell you something more about the person who presses the button actually. At the same time, little reflections for yourself as well to maybe consider.


I don't like the idea of thread starters moderating their thread with other means than replying or ignoring specific posts. For them to have the power to delete others' postings would be ripe for abuse.

I don't like the coloured flag system either. Nobody likes to be called names and put down. If someone violates the forum guidelines this can be reported and the mods can decide on an issue, works just fine.

[schneider]

Dear Tony, i think everyone on this site can relate to what you are going through, some more than others. there are days when i just need to stay away from the forum, the energy is incompatible with mine. but then there are other days that can be completely uplifting and its an absolute delight to be with fellow avalonians. you have most evidently imparted your spirit here at avalon and it is being felt by those you have touched. thanks for your contributions

[Kristin]

OK, I'm just going to say it... Pie, where is your backbone? Look, just because someone doesn't share your practice and states an opinion does not qualify it as an attack. It is merely someone expressing their own form of practice... many roads to enlightenment are there not? You could have just said, "Hey, I know this doesn't work for you but it works for me. Thanks for your comments." then continued on with the discussion that was important to you. You can even say, "Hey let's have another thread about this." Your reaction is important for you to look at. Why was walking away from the conversation your reaction?

People expressing earnest opinions are just that... people expressing earnest opinions. It's a conversation here, guess what?!!! I got a lot out of reading the thread and hearing the responses. They are important. When a person has adopted a life philosophy it's just as intriguing to wonder "why" that is as it is to read about "why" that isn't for another. I found nothing wrong with either opinion as it was earnestly based in the life experience of both.

On the other page... can we not try harder as a community to stick to topic? When a topic becomes subverted away from it's original value to the thread maker, a new thread is completely warranted. This is in our control always. Mods will step in when it's necessary and do the same for that reason. Let the conversation flow... however, let's be aware when it's distracting from the original subject and try to do our best to conceive intuitively when that's appropriate.

Pie, you are great! We LOVE YOU! We'd like you back! Heal up whatever you need to heal and come on back over. Heck, I took a year off of this place, I needed it. But here I am, just as cantankerous as ever. LOL. We will miss you. Come home when you are ready... we'll be here with open arms. Or don't. Whatever floats your boat.

This is a felt loss by many, understood by some, and performed by one.

Best regards,
Wormhole

[Tarka the Duck]

Tony would like me to pass on a few thoughts to see if they are at all helpful...even though he has left:rolleyes:


The unity of diversity.

It's through the heart that we recognise the value of diversity, in order to create a natural unity.
You won't get a unity within a group, because there will always be sub-groups formed naturally – but the heart will always be in unity.

Uniformity doesn't mean a unity. As humans, we are naturally diverse.
But the world is a unity in its heart.
All we need is to appreciate the diversity of expression.

Diversity is natural – and unity is natural.
Diversity is in the mind - and unity is in the heart.

Some like cheese sandwiches. Others prefer ham.
That choice is in the mind.
The enjoyment is in the heart.
You may not agree with everyone, but you can appreciate their enjoyment.

So there really is no need for conflict.
If we understand the relationship between mind and heart, we can see how beautiful each is.

[Mandala]

Dear Tony, i think everyone on this site can relate to what you are going through, some more than others. there are days when i just need to stay away from the forum, the energy is incompatible with mine. but then there are other days that can be completely uplifting and its an absolute delight to be with fellow avalonians. you have most evidently imparted your spirit here at avalon and it is being felt by those you have touched. thanks for your contributions

I think you said it, like I feel it, schneider.

Pie 'n' eal, I always love reading your posts, they are directly from your honest heart. Take a leave maybe, but don't go away for good. We still need our ground crew. I have had to stay away for awhile, due to the cynicism, attacks, and negativity.

I think the breaks away, help us find center and come back with new energy. My goal on this forum has never been to compete, beat, win or put other people down. We are here to share and learn, and you have shared, and we have learned. Rest your heart and mind and please return to us.

[Kristin]

Tony would like me to pass on a few thoughts to see if they are at all helpful...even though he has left:rolleyes:


The unity of diversity.

It's through the heart that we recognise the value of diversity, in order to create a natural unity.
You won't get a unity within a group, because there will always be sub-groups formed naturally – but the heart will always be in unity.

Uniformity doesn't mean a unity. As humans, we are naturally diverse.
But the world is a unity in its heart.
All we need is to appreciate the diversity of expression.

Diversity is natural – and unity is natural.
Diversity is in the mind - and unity is in the heart.

Some like cheese sandwiches. Others prefer ham.
That choice is in the mind.
The enjoyment is in the heart.
You may not agree with everyone, but you can appreciate their enjoyment.

So there really is no need for conflict.
If we understand the relationship between mind and heart, we can see how beautiful each is.

I agree with this whole heartedly, I am just confused that it seems that Pie isn't practicing what he is preaching... or is walking away from diversity a form of Unity practice?
From the Heart,
Wormhole

ps, this is an earnest question. Not a confrontational one.

[<8>]

Hi Tony...

I want to thank you for being an inspiration in my life and I will always remember you, thanks
I have to admit it was thanks to you, I expressed my darker side to day:http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42459-Retribution

Live your life fearless my friend..

..8..

[gripreaper]

Look, here's another pie. An Ides of March one.
Heart-burn material.
Take a Rennies, have another cuppa and see ya tomorrow!

Bingo. yes, the energy emerging this month is very strong and it's shaking things up and it is perturbed. Here is my take on it from another thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42068-Tired-of-the-Bickering&p=443161#post443161

This too shall pass. Where else you gonna go?



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8cpRUo-OIBE/T1K5dmEcA5I/AAAAAAAAdCM/oGUfgGWbWvc/s1600/March%2B14%252C%2B2012%2Bgrand%2Btrine.jpg

[greybeard]

I know its off topic kidna but the whole earth is being shook up at the moment.
We are affected by this.
Every graph on this site is showing earth tremor at this moment 5.19 pm UK
Chris

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/monitoring/operations/heliplots_gsn.php

[gripreaper]

I know its off topic kidna but the whole earth is being shook up at the moment.
We are affected by this.
Every graph on this site is showing earth tremor at this moment 5.19 pm UK
Chris

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/monitoring/operations/heliplots_gsn.php

This is exactly what I'm saying Chris. These energies we are facing are energies we have not had or felt for thousands of years. It's not going to be pretty or smooth. Time to bring all of our energy blocks into the light of day. Pineal is one who has done most of the work and he should be respected as a wayshower. Buddhism is a great discipline for working on clearing your stuff.

were all "workin it" more so now than ever.

[RunningDeer]

I know its off topic kidna but the whole earth is being shook up at the moment.
We are affected by this.
Every graph on this site is showing earth tremor at this moment 5.19 pm UK
Chris

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/monitoring/operations/heliplots_gsn.php

Wow, Chris. I'd say spot on topic! I'm one state over from MA and there's lots and lots of activity. And my dog is demanding, ran out the door without a leash never does that. And I'm all over the map emotionally, too. So VBT - very big thanks!

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Tony has asked me to post this.

I've made some really fabulous friends here...So long, and thanks for all the fish!

All the best,
Tony

Well, I am a sad panda.

Sorry to see you go, Pie. I will miss your intelligence, maturity, and wisdom. I have to agree with everything you said. I've been wondering for a very long time what can be done about this. One of the reasons I came to Avalon was because there is supposed to be a membership filter. I'm not blaming the mod group as how they can really know ahead of time how someone will behave. But the forum does seem to degenerate month by month.

I do hope you will some back after a break, Pie. I'll miss your presence if you don't.

[RunningDeer]

I know its off topic kidna but the whole earth is being shook up at the moment.
We are affected by this.
Every graph on this site is showing earth tremor at this moment 5.19 pm UK
Chris

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/monitoring/operations/heliplots_gsn.php

This is exactly what I'm saying Chris. These energies we are facing are energies we have not had or felt for thousands of years. It's not going to be pretty or smooth. Time to bring all of our energy blocks into the light of day. Pineal is one who has done most of the work and he should be respected as a wayshower. Buddhism is a great discipline for working on clearing your stuff.

were all "workin it" more so now than ever.

Hi gripreaper,
I'm really glad to see in your post that Pie'n'eal is a wayshower. And I also referenced about the energies that both you and Chris are saying. This is part of what I had to say:

“...It's nice to see how much Master Pie'n'eal is loved. If he does not decide to come back, I know it's for reasons greater than Project Avalon. Sometimes, it’s just time to move on, and a reason unfolds either from within or from another.

Judging by the messages expressed, it looks like many have been positively impacted by all the knowledge shared. The way I see it, to return or not to return - Master Pie'n'eal's teachings continue to live on and multiply.

My two cents is would be take a break. See if there's even a tiny inkling in his heart that this is where his assistance calls to “him”. I think that’s most important. Take a break. Have some Ben and Jerry’s. Come back even part-time and play lightly like in his floss video.

Even masters are human. They feel the craziness that abounds these days. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that they feel how so many silently weep, and mistakenly think it is their own anguish. In a sense it is, isn’t it? That’s the gift of a Blessed Moment, when the Teacher becomes the Student and the Student becomes the Teacher - and then All One.

This I know: Master Pie’n’eal serves as a Beacon of Light, no matter how far away he goes. It’s just his nature, or is it just the nature of things?...”

[Mike]

God, this is so corny.

i've rarely ever posted in a 'i'm leaving thread' because i generally find them to be emotionally manipulative and pointless, but somehow i've allowed myself to get sucked into this one, and now i'm annoyed and it's just too late:) i mean sh!t, i won't be around the forum for the next few weeks but i'd rather cut my ear off with a dull blade than announce it in some silly attention-grabbing thread. come on guys, this is just embarrassing.

i like Tony just like everyone else here, but this just reeks of attention grabbing. Tony fancies himself a leader here--and that's fine--but when he feels he's not being recognized as one, and when he feels he's not getting enough attention, he leaves to make some sort of grand statement...and then continues to send messages through Tarka The Duck!?!? :confused: LOL! wtf? sounds like a move straight outta Sidious' playbook.

Tony, you know that the forum overwhelmingly supports you--myself included--but not everybody is going to like you everywhere you go. You're going to find 'trolls' in your everyday life as well...and what then? Tuck tail n run? If you keep running every time you're confronted by nonsense you'll be running forever...a regular forrest gump.

a bit of advice: generally, people that leave the forum for whatever reason think that they're making some sort of profound statement; and who knows, maybe they are. but here's the thing: nobody will remember it after a week. life goes on. and said member is left out in the cold, most likely regretting their decision but can't return due to all the pageantry and drama surrounding their departure. so...the lesson for today boys n girls: if you're frustrated with forum, simply sign out and take a break. come back when you're ready. simple.


p.s. 1 million cyber bucks says Tony is back within a week.

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxx

[Jay]

Sorry to see you depart too. And sorry but I couldn't resist this...http://images.suite101.com/3639865_com_2190712270.jpg
Pi Day

We are about to celebrate the date that mathematicians most associate with π (why Archimedes chose this particular letter is a mystery). The day before the Ides of March is known as Pi Day, because the date, 3/14, can be taken as a representation of the numerical value of pi: 3.14 to the nearest hundredth. And of course the most vociferous cheers will go up at 1:59, which would carry us to 5 decimal places. Purists will want to refine their celebration by adding 26 seconds, and we will leave the extrapolation there. The frequency of occurrence in the first 1 million digits of π shows that six occurs least often and five the most. There are 811 more fives than sixes.

Read more at Suite101: Pi Day: The Day Before the Ides of March is a Tribute to Pi | Suite101.com http://jon-plotkin.suite101.com/pi-day-the-day-before-the-ides-of-march-is-a-tribute-to-pi-a403422#ixzz1p7RQdxZz
Source: http://jon-plotkin.suite101.com/pi-day-the-day-before-the-ides-of-march-is-a-tribute-to-pi-a403422 Happy Pi day and safe Ides tomorrow:fish:

[christian]

I don't like the coloured flag system either. Nobody likes to be called names and put down. If someone violates the forum guidelines this can be reported and the mods can decide on an issue, works just fine.
It is a good point you make about the flag system chiquetet - but are not the words people use in their posts loaded with their judgements anyway, about what they think is right, wrong or something in between?

You are right, but I think it's inappropriate to support that judgemental behaviour by allowing everyone to put red-flag-stigmas on everyone else... I'm for keeping it simple, if one annoys me, I ignore that person, if one violates the guidelines, I report it. -- Besides that, it helps to put in perspective, that this is an online-forum and it happens easily that we mistake where somebody is actually coming from or what somebody is trying to express. So when I find somebody is judging me inappropriately, I keep in mind, that someone might project his own distorted conceptions onto my virtual personality, so I don't take offense.

Point is, formulating and expressing oneself constructively and upliftingly is more difficult and more creative than simply judging others. It's the road less traveled.

[Billy]

.. I am sadden that Tony left. He saw the negativity as well. Others see it. And people are getting tired of it. To be honest here, and in my opinion, its like these 'trolls' are planted here to keep disruption flowing. I do not want to keep on seeing people leaving because of this. We have lost too many. Dark and Light. Light and Dark. Can we find a balance? I hope so.

This has also crossed my mind. I dare say that people are planted into certain forums to disrupt the flow of sharing and learning from each other. Not just here. Utube is totally inflitrated by them. Kerry is going through this kind of attack on utube at this moment. But to discern who is being just downright negative because they know no other way to communicate and who is being planted to disrupt the flow is difficult.

[Guest]

Tony you have my support whether you decide to stay on with the forum or not. You are a valued contributor and member of Avalon.
Remember -not everyone is going to have an open mind and it's not always our job to open it. Although, it would make for more intelligent and respectful communications within the forum and threads if they did. -I appreciate it when my shell has been cracked open a little wider.

There are always going to be trolls and tyrants......
This isn't a Buddhist quote but a good quote none-the-less, "A true Warrior bows to no one and expects no one to bow to him." Don Juan Matus

Love you Pie'n'eal

Nora

[onawah]

Tony, sorry to hear you are leaving and hope you change your mind.

I don't think I would have stayed on Avalon as long as I have if I didn't use the Ignore option when I felt the need.
Particularly on threads I started myself, but everywhere else on the forum as well.
Repeat offenders' posts don't even show up on your threads when you go back to read them, though it will show they have made comments.
Other members who have not chosen to ignore those offenders will still see those comments, and may elect to quote them, in which case you WILL see those particular comments, but that probably won't happen much.
I suggest that you give it a try before leaving for good.
That option is there for a very good reason!

[Limor Wolf]

God, this is so corny.

i've rarely ever posted in a 'i'm leaving thread' because i generally find them to be emotionally manipulative and pointless, but somehow i've allowed myself to get sucked into this one, and now i'm annoyed and it's just too late:) i mean sh!t, i won't be around the forum for the next few weeks but i'd rather cut my ear off with a dull blade than announce it in some silly attention-grabbing thread. come on guys, this is just embarrassing.

i like Tony just like everyone else here, but this just reeks of attention grabbing. Tony fancies himself a leader here--and that's fine--but when he feels he's not being recognized as one, and when he feels he's not getting enough attention, he leaves to make some sort of grand statement...and then continues to send messages through Tarka The Duck!?!? :confused: LOL! wtf? sounds like a move straight outta Sidious' playbook.

Tony, you know that the forum overwhelmingly supports you--myself included--but not everybody is going to like you everywhere you go. You're going to find 'trolls' in your everyday life as well...and what then? Tuck tail n run? If you keep running every time you're confronted by nonsense you'll be running forever...a regular forrest gump.

a bit of advice: generally, people that leave the forum for whatever reason think that they're making some sort of profound statement; and who knows, maybe they are. but here's the thing: nobody will remember it after a week. life goes on. and said member is left out in the cold, most likely regretting their decision but can't return due to all the pageantry and drama surrounding their departure. so...the lesson for today boys n girls: if you're frustrated with forum, simply sign out and take a break. come back when you're ready. simple.


p.s. 1 million cyber bucks says Tony is back within a week.


Chinaski, one small request, if I may - please try in your future posts to express yourself with a little more directness, dont be shy to say it as is, try a little less going around the bush and be willing to be more open in your views when sharing with others, being perceptive is also important, o.k ;)

You got those thoughts right out of my head :-)

With sincere affection to all,

~*&~*&

Limor

[RunningDeer]

Chinaski, please see next post.

[RunningDeer]

God, this is so corny.

i've rarely ever posted in a 'i'm leaving thread' because i generally find them to be emotionally manipulative and pointless, but somehow i've allowed myself to get sucked into this one, and now i'm annoyed and it's just too late:) i mean sh!t, i won't be around the forum for the next few weeks but i'd rather cut my ear off with a dull blade than announce it in some silly attention-grabbing thread. come on guys, this is just embarrassing.

i like Tony just like everyone else here, but this just reeks of attention grabbing. Tony fancies himself a leader here--and that's fine--but when he feels he's not being recognized as one, and when he feels he's not getting enough attention, he leaves to make some sort of grand statement...and then continues to send messages through Tarka The Duck!?!? :confused: LOL! wtf? sounds like a move straight outta Sidious' playbook.

Tony, you know that the forum overwhelmingly supports you--myself included--but not everybody is going to like you everywhere you go. You're going to find 'trolls' in your everyday life as well...and what then? Tuck tail n run? If you keep running every time you're confronted by nonsense you'll be running forever...a regular forrest gump.

a bit of advice: generally, people that leave the forum for whatever reason think that they're making some sort of profound statement; and who knows, maybe they are. but here's the thing: nobody will remember it after a week. life goes on. and said member is left out in the cold, most likely regretting their decision but can't return due to all the pageantry and drama surrounding their departure. so...the lesson for today boys n girls: if you're frustrated with forum, simply sign out and take a break. come back when you're ready. simple.


p.s. 1 million cyber bucks says Tony is back within a week.

Hello, Chinaski,


...and then continues to send messages through Tarka The Duck!?!? :confused: LOL! wtf?

A bit of housekeeping: Tarka-the-Duck is Tony's wife. I just found that out several hours ago. That shifts the picture a bit. Best buds are hard to find because people don’t work at it enough. Cool that they have each other. I hope you see it a bit differently now. If not then you should not read on because you will not understand the rest of this post.


...p.s. 1 million cyber bucks says Tony is back within a week.

I’ll take that bet. Tony and I have this agreement that he won’t come back for at least a week and we’ll do the “50-50 thing”. You want in on it?


“...i'd rather cut my ear off with a dull blade than announce it in some silly attention-grabbing thread. come on guys, this is just embarrassing....”

Please leave the ear attached. It makes a nice holder for that lucky strike cigarette.


...a bit of advice: generally, people that leave the forum for whatever reason think that they're making some sort of profound statement; and who knows, maybe they are. but here's the thing: nobody will remember it after a week. life goes on. and said member is left out in the cold, most likely regretting their decision but can't return due to all the pageantry and drama surrounding their departure. so...the lesson for today boys n girls: if you're frustrated with forum, simply sign out and take a break. come back when you're ready. simple.

Chinaski, your game is off today. You express better than this. In fact, you should know that I’ve cut and pasted some of your posts just to learn from them. Yup, you are in my “Learn From Others" folder. This post contains more of cavalier comments than usual. That’s why I say your game is off.

If I may? And this comes from a place of pure and sincere intent: It’s my belief that your heart is as big as the mask you wear. My sense of you is that you are an extremely intelligent, and tender teddy-bear. So please come back so I can see if you begin to use capitals letters from time to time on your posts.


...a bit of advice: generally, people that leave the forum for whatever reason think that they're making some sort of profound statement; and who knows, maybe they are. but here's the thing: nobody will remember it after a week. life goes on.

Chinaski, know that I’ll WILL remember you, AND my life will go on... So have a good few weeks off and I’ll look forward to your scruffy beard and cigabutt Avatar.


..a regular forrest gump.

P.S. I think Forrest Gump is a modern day metaphor for Buddha. Nothing, and no one to forgive because he hasn't judge any one, or any of his life experiences. All is allowed to just "Be". I aspire to be like Mr. Gump.

P.S.S. I like the color you bring and the insights that you share to this marvelous "Land of Avalon". (Today's post just didn't make it into the top 10 that I've collected from you.)

With heart,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[Borden]

I reckon there's a big difference between some departures and others. I've seen some people flounce out while mysteriously hanging on long enough to be persuaded back. Embarrassing.

For me, pie'n'eal's exit does not fit into that category at all. Watching what's recently happened I actually take his message regarding his reasons for leaving at face value. I don't think he's being manipulative, and neither do I think he's the sort of bloke who would flounce off because someone had hurt his feelings in threads or even the unpleasant PMs mentioned. What I sense is his exasperation - but not because he's not being universally agreed with. When he mentions the risk of bringing the Dharma into disrepute, I may not know exactly what he's on about because I'm not a Buddhist, but I have some idea, and it strikes me as being on the up and up. That would be the valid concern of a proper Buddhist.

There's another good point to make here, and it's this: from everything I've seen here, pie'n'eal is not one of those people who engages in tit for tat, ganging up, wafting in and out of threads leaving cryptic and snooty remarks, or creating an aura of smug ill will. Time and again I've seen him respond to some challenge and it's very clear that he makes an effort to be positive and fair. I think this, apart from anything else, should allow him a little leeway in people's opinion of this departure.

If he doesn't come back I'll miss reading his threads and occasionally joining in.

If he does come back, from my point of view, it will be with integrity intact.

Maybe he made the wrong decision. Maybe he'll come to that conclusion and return. But I am pretty sure this isn't about wafty manipulation. He's more genuine than that, in my estimation.

Borden

[Alex Laker]

Oh dear. Heeere we go again. It seems that only in the very understanding of a problem do we find its darkest mysteries. We flee realities. By acknowledging negativity as being real and opposing positivity, we so fear it, and escape it. But really, there are no positives or negatives, harmony or disharmony. Only ideas.

I would greatly miss Tony's ideas.

[Dennis-G]

In the short time I've been here, "Pie" became my favorite poster . . . but Pie was wrong!

From the sounds of things, he was not the cause of discord, his antagonists were. My first instinct was to say they should be the ones to leave, not Pie. But ... I haven't read the thread(s) in question and don't know who he is referring to, so it would be premature (at best) of me to say that. It's not really my place to make that judgment, either.

I do wish Pie would have taken another approach, but I can't say I blame him for his choice.

Pie, if you're reading this, you can't be the source of discord. Each person is responsible for their own behavior. Those who sow discord are the ones responsible for what they sow. You leaving will not change what is in their heart. They will just find someone else to create issues with because that's what's in their heart. So you leaving only does one thing within this community, it gives them a victory and lets them seek a new target.

However, if it gives you more peace to leave, so be it. There are lessons to be learned from that, too.

I wish you well.

[Paranormal]

In my very short time here, I have gained a lot from "pie." May he know that his legacy lives on as I will start reading up on his old threads and try to understand his wisdom.

[Flash]

Tony, excuse my rudeness.

If you cannot handle people, who disagree with what you say or maybe even willfully try to sabotage you, you are lost. You ask for them to 'let it be' if they don't resonate with something, yet you apparently cannot let them be just like that.

Accusing others, whether justified or unjustified, is giving power to others, it means "they have power over me and because of that, I am forced to do this and that". Well, sometimes one has to take some time to recede and contemplate. But after all, you might find, that it is possible to appreciate all the various voices as tests, that help you refine yourself. There's a gentle and non-attached way to deal with everything.

Your insights here are obviously much appreciated, looks kind of strange, that you go over such a petty dispute ;)

i am also fed up of excusing rudeness. Only the rudes are remaining in this world, PTB being the prime example - and other giving lessons on why to accept rudeness instead of looking at their own behavior. the gentle and non attached way to deal with your rudeness is not to get involved, quit. Pin'eal is right.

And that is why the rudeness has been robbing us of our money (banks), our votes, our ecology, our everything.l there is not limits to rudeness when left unchecked. As most rudes won't stop by themselves, it is more than time to start to openly reject them.

So no, I , for one, will not accept your rudeness nor all the excuses you put up in order to keep being rude.

that goes for every rude people on this planet. All the softies, please get up and reject the rudes ones.

[christian]

As most rudes won't stop by themselves, it is more than time to start to openly reject them.

So no, I , for one, will not accept your rudeness nor all the excuses you put up in order to keep being rude.

that goes for every rude people on this planet. All the softies, please get up and reject the rudes ones.

I fully support you! :cool2:

[Mike]

:)

God, this is so corny.

i've rarely ever posted in a 'i'm leaving thread' because i generally find them to be emotionally manipulative and pointless, but somehow i've allowed myself to get sucked into this one, and now i'm annoyed and it's just too late:) i mean sh!t, i won't be around the forum for the next few weeks but i'd rather cut my ear off with a dull blade than announce it in some silly attention-grabbing thread. come on guys, this is just embarrassing.

i like Tony just like everyone else here, but this just reeks of attention grabbing. Tony fancies himself a leader here--and that's fine--but when he feels he's not being recognized as one, and when he feels he's not getting enough attention, he leaves to make some sort of grand statement...and then continues to send messages through Tarka The Duck!?!? :confused: LOL! wtf? sounds like a move straight outta Sidious' playbook.

Tony, you know that the forum overwhelmingly supports you--myself included--but not everybody is going to like you everywhere you go. You're going to find 'trolls' in your everyday life as well...and what then? Tuck tail n run? If you keep running every time you're confronted by nonsense you'll be running forever...a regular forrest gump.

a bit of advice: generally, people that leave the forum for whatever reason think that they're making some sort of profound statement; and who knows, maybe they are. but here's the thing: nobody will remember it after a week. life goes on. and said member is left out in the cold, most likely regretting their decision but can't return due to all the pageantry and drama surrounding their departure. so...the lesson for today boys n girls: if you're frustrated with forum, simply sign out and take a break. come back when you're ready. simple.


p.s. 1 million cyber bucks says Tony is back within a week.


Chinaski, one small request, if I may - please try in your future posts to express yourself with a little more directness, dont be shy to say it as is, try a little less going around the bush and be willing to be more open in your views when sharing with others, being perceptive is also important, o.k ;)

You got those thoughts right out of my head :-)

With sincere affection to all,

~*&~*&

Limor


hi Limor, i always pay close attention to what you're saying, and this is no different.

thank you for pointing these things out. i'll certainly work on them.;)

[Mike]

whitecrowblackdear,

thanks for your thoughtful post. you're right, i had no idea tony n tarka were a couple. thanks for pointing it out.

will i take the bet? why not, i've always been a gambler so what the hell.

as far as the ear goes, i'll need no convincing. i'm a poser artist anyway, a complete phony, and alcoholism is really the only thing i have or will ever have in common with vangogh;)

i had no idea we have a 'learn from others' folder here on Avalon??? i'm honored to be in yours. but i hope you have a few others in there as well, otherwise i just feel sorry for you;)

maybe you're right; maybe i am off my game. i probably should have skipped the thread all-together and went on my way, but somehow i think i woulda felt worse if i did that. the mature route is usually the way to go, but it's just so boring, isn't it!?! LOL


All The Best To You WCBD,
Mike

[Carmody]

I'll be sorry to see Pie go as well. Didn't want to add him to the resignations list. OMG he's now 321. Pity, I imagine he can easily out smart any mischief-makers and they're substantially outnumbered on Avalon. They must be having a hard time in these rising energies! Keep calm and carry on (and take no notice). Expecting a leaving party on the Hayward roof garden Tony.

It's always the case of the nay-sayers having outsmarted themselves. Negativity as a form of egoic expression, the kind of people who get married to the same person 5 times and wonder why it always fails. That kind of issue. A permanent state of not making any turn around in themselves. Ah well.....

[hectorlca]

tony, your threads and contributions are so popular and so well thought out, that it was no wonder that you would get some degree of fame within Avalon. Avalon isn't that tiny and there are all kinds of energy here. I for one feel that what you brought to the table was excellent, stimulating content. Opening up debate is always good...but please be mindful that we still live in a dipolar world, and duality is a basic aspect of what we are doing here and the lessons we are trying to learn (and teach). Trolls are everywhere, and people like you are hard to come by.

Think about it.

Much love.

[kooky]

It was nice knowing you Pie. Take care and goodbye.

[Mike]

I reckon there's a big difference between some departures and others. I've seen some people flounce out while mysteriously hanging on long enough to be persuaded back. Embarrassing.

For me, pie'n'eal's exit does not fit into that category at all. Watching what's recently happened I actually take his message regarding his reasons for leaving at face value. I don't think he's being manipulative, and neither do I think he's the sort of bloke who would flounce off because someone had hurt his feelings in threads or even the unpleasant PMs mentioned. What I sense is his exasperation - but not because he's not being universally agreed with. When he mentions the risk of bringing the Dharma into disrepute, I may not know exactly what he's on about because I'm not a Buddhist, but I have some idea, and it strikes me as being on the up and up. That would be the valid concern of a proper Buddhist.

There's another good point to make here, and it's this: from everything I've seen here, pie'n'eal is not one of those people who engages in tit for tat, ganging up, wafting in and out of threads leaving cryptic and snooty remarks, or creating an aura of smug ill will. Time and again I've seen him respond to some challenge and it's very clear that he makes an effort to be positive and fair. I think this, apart from anything else, should allow him a little leeway in people's opinion of this departure.

If he doesn't come back I'll miss reading his threads and occasionally joining in.

If he does come back, from my point of view, it will be with integrity intact.

Maybe he made the wrong decision. Maybe he'll come to that conclusion and return. But I am pretty sure this isn't about wafty manipulation. He's more genuine than that, in my estimation.

Borden

Borden, if you ever disagree with me so eloquently again, i'll be forced to tell everyone that you're really Spiderman...oops!

aside from being completely wrong here, i really enjoyed reading your post (kidding of course, but i've always dreamt of saying something that obnoxious here, and you've just set me up perfectly;))

i'll join the chorus and say that i hope Tony comes back too. we're all sensitive souls here, and it's easy to forget that when we sit in judgement of one another. having said that, leaving due to a few bonehead comments still seems a little dramatic to me. it's just my opinion, and as you all know, it can be equated with fact 99.99% of the time(add cymbal crash here;))

[RunningDeer]

whitecrowblackdear,

thanks for your thoughtful post. you're right, i had no idea tony n tarka were a couple. thanks for pointing it out.

will i take the bet? why not, i've always been a gambler so what the hell.

as far as the ear goes, i'll need no convincing. i'm a poser artist anyway, a complete phony, and alcoholism is really the only thing i have or will ever have in common with vangogh;)

i had no idea we have a 'learn from others' folder here on Avalon??? i'm honored to be in yours. but i hope you have a few others in there as well, otherwise i just feel sorry for you;)

maybe you're right; maybe i am off my game. i probably should have skipped the thread all-together and went on my way, but somehow i think i woulda felt worse if i did that. the mature route is usually the way to go, but it's just so boring, isn't it!?! LOL


All The Best To You WCBD,
Mike

Oh, Hi Mike, you came back... yeah...


i had no idea we have a 'learn from others' folder here on Avalon??? i'm honored to be in yours. but i hope you have a few others in there as well, otherwise i just feel sorry for you;)

No folders at the “Land of Avalon”, just my own personal one. I have others’ works. There’s a rich diversity of expression. Lot’s of great teachers.


the mature route is usually the way to go, but it's just so boring, isn't it!?! LOL

FYI: I absolutely say “mature” and “boring” do not go together.

I’m outta words. I’m just glad your tone is different. I don’t know why. I appreciated that you responded before you left for a couple of weeks. Some pointers while away: wear your seat belt, put your cigarette out before falling asleep unless fire extinguisher is close by, and chew before you swallow, and use capital letters when you sign your name.

Toodles for now,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[Borden]

Hey, Chinaski ... I thought by not naming you I could get away with disagreeing with you! Damn. What gave me away?

I do see the point about Tony's leaving seeming a bit of an over-reaction, but I have the sense that the Dharma thing changes the equation for him. If you or I left over similar events we could be classed as push-overs, but we're not full-time Buddhists! That's why I see this situation a bit differently.

Anyway, it was nice to read your delusional opinion so I could remind myself of how right I am about everything. (Haha, I'm sorry, I just couldn't help it! This obnoxiousness is fun, but we can't let it escalate!)

Seriously though, yeah - I'm sure just about everyone would like to see him return. If and when he does, I'm sure it'll be with a thoughtful word on his reasoning about the whole thing, and I look forward to reading it.

I will stop disagreeing with you now. Please keep it under your hat that I'm Spider-man.

Borden

[Cilka]

Hey Pineal, I wanted to discuss the pineal gland with you and the DMT spirit molecule. Oh man, that's too bad. I have just been reading 'DMT the spirit molecule' and now I have no one to discuss it with.

COME BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mike]

Hey, Chinaski ... I thought by not naming you I could get away with disagreeing with you! Damn. What gave me away?

I do see the point about Tony's leaving seeming a bit of an over-reaction, but I have the sense that the Dharma thing changes the equation for him. If you or I left over similar events we could be classed as push-overs, but we're not full-time Buddhists! That's why I see this situation a bit differently.

Anyway, it was nice to read your delusional opinion so I could remind myself of how right I am about everything. (Haha, I'm sorry, I just couldn't help it! This obnoxiousness is fun, but we can't let it escalate!)

Seriously though, yeah - I'm sure just about everyone would like to see him return. If and when he does, I'm sure it'll be with a thoughtful word on his reasoning about the whole thing, and I look forward to reading it.

I will stop disagreeing with you now. Please keep it under your hat that I'm Spider-man.

Borden



touche Spiderm...er...i mean, Borden. you had me laughing here, as usual.

@whitecrowblackdeer - i know my avatar likely gives a certain impression, but i actually don't smoke. it's a vile, filthy and dangerous habit. i just try to stick with the cocaine and heroin, know what i mean? (will the silliness ever stop? lol) thank you for the driving tips! and as far as writing in all lower case...it's just about as bad a habit as smoking, but i'm just too damn lazy to use that annoying shift key all the time.

well, the car is packed and i'm off to florida for a bit. i don't sleep nights anyway, so i figured i might as well get some driving done while i'm tossing n turning.

adios for now...

[jagman]

I'm finally through reading all 7 pages lol and i'm ready to give my assessment. Tony these are the facts has I see it.
1. Your loved, Respected and admired here at PA. And that's a fact!
2. Your insights and wisdom and friendship will be greatly missed. And that's a fact!
3. Your being heckled by a couple of wing-nuts.
4. You have left PA.
5. Members are sad and and upset at your departure.
6. This doesn't add up. I'm not buying it Tony. I wish you the best!

[CdnSirian]

Tony, I am not trying to manipulate you in any way with the following statements. Lying! Yes I am!!

I've had the honor of meeting Namjel Rinpoche a few times...was able to be present at a Black Hat ceremony with the Panchem Lama and be blessed by him (I still have the red thread and the printed program for the...tourists)...and was inexpressibly changed forever when able to sit a few feet away from Kalu Rinpoche while he lectured for three hours (the only time I sat in a Lotus position for that long without pain).

I also went to school with the person that Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche asked to marry him. He's also one of my favorite poets.

O.K.! Shameless name dropping!! I'm just a dilettante Buddhist groupie! This is all meaningless!

But I am also one of your groupies!! I mean it! I hope you come back one day. I understand that having groupies is a terrible burden of Karma. :)

If you never come back, I hope this thread adds to whomever you think you are in this incarnation, and you accept the love and gratitude flowing out to you. I do understand your withdrawal, honestly. Just a last few kicks from the cheer leading section.

[Jeffrey]

So let me get this straight, Pie, you left because a handful of people were derailing your threads, taking pot-shots, trolling etc.. and you wish to not be the cause of their irritation?

If the grass groaned under the weight of your feet would you still walk on it?

For Buddha's sake man look at how many thanks you had, don't let a little breeze disturb the light of the candle you carry.

So some people were barking about your candle you carry (it's hard to sleep with a light on Pie, it's rude) so you just conceal it from the forum?

You can't please everyone all the time, a few toes will be stepped on, a few people will be rubbed the wrong way, but don't worry about it.

Careful now, too much worrying will turn you into an old man. ;)

When the flower blooms the bees will come of their own accord, and so will caterpillars, ladybugs, hornets, and all kinds of other insects for bothering. They are called bugs for a reason.

Anyways, Om Tat Sat brother.

Lata ... ?

This just occurred to me, mods shouldn't you move this thread to the "channeled material" section since Tarka is channeling Pie'n'eal now? ...

:rofl:

Only kidding of course :)

[RedeZra]

i enjoy a bit of Buddhic bravado

so the forum has lost some juice


Buddhists are delicate beings

and without the thick Christian skin

which we inherited from Christ


but just like us they are very loveable

always wantin the best for everybody


see i can even fit Jesus into a Buddhist member so long post ; )

[Vitalux]

I can certainly empathize with Pie'n'eal's reasons for abandoning discussion in the forums.
It is along the same reasons I abandoned joining in discussions.

The only difference is I kept my membership and hoped the trolls that like to heckle those that had an opinion different than theirs would some how diminish.

Christ, even when I let others know I did a name nickname change, some could not even resist the temptation to behave like a troll.

[Mad Hatter]

Dear Mr. Pieman,

I know that you know that I know that you know you are that which you cannot point to and say you are that... however I ask your forgiveness if it was me commenting on any of your threads whilst wearing one of my hats from the less than positive half of the collection which in any way contributed to this decision. I am truly sorry and apologise to all if that is / was the case.

Having said that I for one however will sorely miss the intelligence capable of of dealing with my quips of a sematic nature with comebacks demanding introspection at a far deeper level on my end and for all those opportunities I thank you indeed.

At this juncture, until we meet again, bon voyage and remember to stay a lert and a ware as it would seem the world is still short of both...:p

much love to you and yours,

Mr. Hatman.

[Tarka the Duck]

Dear Man of the Hat

You know that I know that he knows that your "quips of a semantic nature" were one of the things he loves most about PA...;)

Kathie

[Calz]

Dear Man of the Hat

You know that I know that he knows that your "quips of a semantic nature" were one of the things he loves most about PA...;)

Kathie


Note to self ... must *really* remember to pick up one of those hats for myself ... :yo:


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[crested-duck]

While sitting at the pond reckoning my thoughts I've come to this conclusion: It appears good ol Pie has been at this Budda stuff/philosophy for quite a while and has invested much time and effort, and I'm sure money too. As someone pointed out in the nutshell thread he's inadvertantly fallen under the spell of a religious type organization and has become exactly what he was looking to not become. That being said- because we're all evolveing at different rates, maybe Pie is reassesing this chapter in his life, and current belief system at this time. Evolution happens and is a good thing for the one who is doing it. If he chooses to move on/forward in another direction, nobody should be upset, we should celebrate his evolution and wish him continued growth. Is'nt that why we came here in the first place anyways?? I came to learn, grow ,and evolve, and I'm thankful our souls connected even if it was for just a breif time.

[Tane Mahuta]

Tony(pie'n'eal)thank you...thank you...thank you for your posts.

Peace Brother!!

TM

[RunningDeer]

Trapdoor - Outside Validation

I can certainly empathize with Pie'n'eal's reasons for abandoning discussion in the forums.
It is along the same reasons I abandoned joining in discussions.

The only difference is I kept my membership and hoped the trolls that like to heckle those that had an opinion different than theirs would some how diminish.

Christ, even when I let others know I did a name nickname change, some could not even resist the temptation to behave like a troll.

Hello Vitalux,

I appreciate your honesty. I don’t hear it as a complaint, but to express a personal and valid observation. For me, it’s been a process over time where there's a vulnerability that I feel when I post. I’m aware of a whole range of silly mind tricks: feelings of acceptance, perfect enough, coulda made it better, coulda, woulda, shoulda... When those mind tapes run, that’s when I don’t post. It’s for the wrong reason. Trapdoor - outside validation.

There will be times when someone comes along to take a bite out of what you may believe to be a profound statement. Yes, there are people “looking to take you down”, but that’s about them. Some (emphasis on ‘some’) mentally shred because it gets their juices going to put pen to paper. Competition, one drug of choice. [Not as free as one would believe. But that’s for another thread.] Whereas, most others are supportive. Co-operatives. Growth through an equal exchange.

I can promise that I will not lay tracks over you. For one thing, I don’t have a heavy equipment operating license, nor a bulldozer. But, I may hand you a hard hat when I use humor as a playful exchange. It’ll be done lightly enough that you won’t even hear a ping. Just growth through an equal exchange.

With heart,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[seko]

Pie, don't give up on Avalon......ooh where have I seen that????:p

[Calz]

Cross posting because of the delightful deliciousness of it all ...

c'mon pie ... you have a few more slices for us yet :hungry:





Hey Pie-remember this thread you started??????????? Ironic don't you think? Please, just take a break, and come back.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

We were wondering how long it would be before some smarty pants brought this back !!!!!:hug:
Kathie


As above ... so below ...

Outside world is healed by looking inside ...

What goes around ... comes around ...

Careful what you wish for ... you just might get it ...


Aw shucks ... see what a gaping void is left without you Tony???


Nobody does it better (I'll spare you by not breaking into song).

Chocolate covered karma ...


Cannot help but feel with your sense of humor one of these will soon be appearing (created by the pie in the sky as it were ...)



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[EnergyGardener]

While sitting at the pond reckoning my thoughts I've come to this conclusion: It appears good ol Pie has been at this Budda stuff/philosophy for quite a while and has invested much time and effort, and I'm sure money too. As someone pointed out in the nutshell thread he's inadvertantly fallen under the spell of a religious type organization and has become exactly what he was looking to not become. That being said- because we're all evolveing at different rates, maybe Pie is reassesing this chapter in his life, and current belief system at this time. Evolution happens and is a good thing for the one who is doing it. If he chooses to move on/forward in another direction, nobody should be upset, we should celebrate his evolution and wish him continued growth. Is'nt that why we came here in the first place anyways?? I came to learn, grow ,and evolve, and I'm thankful our souls connected even if it was for just a breif time.

I'm with crested-duck and even, RedeZra on this one. I have no worries that pie will emerge from this chapter quite well, if not actually, splendid!

I cannot help but notice the extremes of consciousness in our world, that while striving for higher levels, we perhaps lose one of our primary life-task objectives by quickly leaving our fellow "unaware" humans behind. So far aloft, they cannot find us or even get our attention, as we are perhaps too distracted in circular analysis of nothingness, to even help them. In our quest for further self-ascendance, do we completely forget or even neglect, our primary purpose for incarnation at this time? Worse, do we try so hard to convince others (that too are consumed on their similar elevated paths) that we spend, and therefore lose, much greater time and energy arguing semantics.

To compound this, is there is a "negative" wave to stop all things good, specifically "Love and Light," ET/ED and anything of a channeled nature/source— here at PA?

One might ask, "what remains?"

Perhaps Pie shall return to a warm and fuzzy PA, or perhaps— that illusion now is gone. Perhaps we utilize PA for the posting of notable YouTube interviews, news events and other announcements, but the acknowledgement that sincere and positive, cooperation and building of loving discourse of elevate subjects—occurs elsewhere?

There is therefore a growing need, as these departing souls still seeking family, even "Love and Light," require reunion, and place to hang—preferably without tolerance, or even support for the negatives and of course, does not provide unexplained "time-outs" for the positives.

[Tarka the Duck]

Cross posting because of the delightful deliciousness of it all ...

c'mon pie ... you have a few more slices for us yet :hungry:





Hey Pie-remember this thread you started??????????? Ironic don't you think? Please, just take a break, and come back.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

We were wondering how long it would be before some smarty pants brought this back !!!!!
Kathie


As above ... so below ...

Outside world is healed by looking inside ...

What goes around ... comes around ...

Careful what you wish for ... you just might get it ...


Aw shucks ... see what a gaping void is left without you Tony???


Nobody does it better (I'll spare you by not breaking into song).

Chocolate covered karma ...


Cannot help but feel with your sense of humor one of these will soon be appearing (created by the pie in the sky as it were ...)



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It works just as well the second time around...;)

[DeDukshyn]

For example, there is a thread about, let's say, how a cheese sandwich could be made, and someone keeps coming onto a thread and saying, “I don't like sandwiches!”

Exactly the problem. Drives me nuts too! So unproductive .... I feel the mods should do more to be on top of this, instead of allowing everyone an opinion no matter how off topic or disruptive.

Don't get me wrong, I support the mods work, but this is how I see it.

[RunningDeer]

@whitecrowblackdeer - i know my avatar likely gives a certain impression, but i actually don't smoke. it's a vile, filthy and dangerous habit. i just try to stick with the cocaine and heroin, know what i mean? (will the silliness ever stop? lol) thank you for the driving tips! and as far as writing in all lower case...it's just about as bad a habit as smoking, but i'm just too damn lazy to use that annoying shift key all the time.

well, the car is packed and i'm off to florida for a bit. i don't sleep nights anyway, so i figured i might as well get some driving done while i'm tossing n turning.

adios for now...

Hello Chinaski, Mike,

avatar likely gives a certain impression, but i actually don't smoke. it's a vile, filthy and dangerous habit. i just try to stick with the cocaine and heroin, know what i mean? (will the silliness ever stop? lol)

Quote: “Will the silliness ever stop?” I sure hope not. That’s one your signatures. As long as silliness doesn’t run into deflection of what’s real in the moment. At least that’s what I have to be careful of. My thought is that even intellectualizing, anger, globs of recycled factoids, etc. can present as deflection of truth of what’s happening then and there. So, no. I say, silliness=sanity.


i just try to stick with the cocaine and heroin...

That’s fine. But I as person that believes that we are all “One”. So the "We" are asking does this cocaine and heroin have additives? It is pesticide free? GMO? The "One" does not approve of a finger growing out an ear drum. FFT: Maybe that's why you toss and turn at night. I vote - check the ears.


...but i actually don't smoke. it's a vile, filthy and dangerous habit. i just try to stick with the cocaine and heroin

Silly and smart and stock market savvy. Cigarettes are expensive. Hence, (“Who even uses that word anymore?”, she asked herself.) more money for cocaine and heroin...

Been nice visiting with you...

Toodles for now,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

P.S. Drive safely. And we’ll leave the light on for ya.

[Star1111]

Another good one bites the dust!!

First Lord Sidious, then Stan and now Tony. Yes, different reasons but they've all left. Or I should say, before some smart a**se says it for me, Lord Sid was asked to leave :rolleyes:. All this has left me very sad. :(

I havent been on Avalon a lot lately because frankly I don't see much point in doing so these days and there appears to be an increasing amount of negativity and EGO here of late, well since Lord Sid left who used to keep the EGOists in check!

Perhaps the founders of Project Avalon might want to review what's happening here and listen to what seems to be an overwhelming amount of unhappiness about how the forum is going.................... or don't you care?

Up to you guys, but I have to say I won't be coming on here much, not until it improves and starts running the way it used to. What an absolute shame that something that was so inspiring and informative has come to this.

Love to Lord Sid, Tony, Stan.................. and all the beautiful people. (sighs) :(

[Calz]

Tony has an option whereas Sid did not ... and he knows that.

Energies are felt worldwide not just in the forum.

Founder seems to be at peace in his new location ... nothing wrong with that ... he has provided us with this forum and that's a blessing.

No need for you (or others) to leave. Are we to have mass falling upon swords???

Do you think that is what Tony or Sid would hope for??? Is that what each spent so very many hours for? Is that the lesson they have left?

What does that suggest for humanity? Shall we all give up now???


Hmmm???

[Tarka the Duck]

Tony has an option whereas Sid did not ... and he knows that.

Energies are felt worldwide not just in the forum.

Founder seems to be at peace in his new location ... nothing wrong with that ... he has provided us with this forum and that's a blessing.

No need for you (or others) to leave. Are we to have mass falling upon swords???

Do you think that is what Tony or Sid would hope for??? Is that what each spent so very many hours for? Is that the lesson they have left?

What does that suggest for humanity? Shall we all give up now???


Hmmm???

I could be accused of channelling here :rolleyes: but I say NOOOOO!

[EnergyGardener]

Tony has an option whereas Sid did not ... and he knows that.

Energies are felt worldwide not just in the forum.

Founder seems to be at peace in his new location ... nothing wrong with that ... he has provided us with this forum and that's a blessing.

No need for you (or others) to leave. Are we to have mass falling upon swords???

Do you think that is what Tony or Sid would hope for??? Is that what each spent so very many hours for? Is that the lesson they have left?

What does that suggest for humanity? Shall we all give up now???


Hmmm???

Perhaps we can request DID to organize a substantial PA lift for a conference, perhaps at ULURU, to sort this out....

One way or another, we should arrange for a consensus and the goal for hugs and a happy and productive team moving forward.

[kcbc2010]

"Just got the news today.....oh boy..."

Tony.....I never actually felt qualified to speak intelligently on your posts because you just think at a different level than I do... I'm sad that such a bright and knowledgeable person decided to leave.

That said, forums are dynamic and sometimes you just have to leave to move forward. Hopefully, you'll pop in and say Hi.....keep us from jumping the shark or over the cliff....that sort of thing....Peace be with you on your journey.

[Dorjezigzag]

Pie, you did not need to go and maybe after a break you'll reconsider and like everyone else I will miss you.
If you are reading this do you remember, on the now legendary nut thread, my quite early contribution was 2 versions of The Windmills of Your Mind.
One the heavyweight (human) version, sang by Alison Moyet, the other the lightweight sung by a muppet.

Now there has been a big resignation scandal around the theme of the muppets.

"I look into these eyes, and I don't recognise, the one I see inside. It's time for me to decide - am I a man or am I a muppet?"

Walter sang these words in the recent Muppet Movie but equally he could have been singing the innermost thoughts of Greg Smith, the Goldman Sachs banker, who walked out in style this week with a resignation letter printed in the New York Times.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17380418

Project avalon can be frustrating sometimes but it is no Goldman Sachs, I hope you return

[Calz]

Muppets?

Look into these eyes???


Perhaps a bit of plumbing is all that needs to be done (as throughout history???)


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[Guest]

Tony has an option whereas Sid did not ... and he knows that.

Energies are felt worldwide not just in the forum.

Founder seems to be at peace in his new location ... nothing wrong with that ... he has provided us with this forum and that's a blessing.

No need for you (or others) to leave. Are we to have mass falling upon swords???

Do you think that is what Tony or Sid would hope for??? Is that what each spent so very many hours for? Is that the lesson they have left?

What does that suggest for humanity? Shall we all give up now???


Hmmm???


Well said my friend

and I have thought about leaving -but didn't want a bouquet of carrots showing up for my nuggetry.

still here

Love

Nora

We are all related

[aranuk]

Another good one bites the dust!!

First Lord Sidious, then Stan and now Tony. Yes, different reasons but they've all left. Or I should say, before some smart a**se says it for me, Lord Sid was asked to leave :rolleyes:. All this has left me very sad. :(

I havent been on Avalon a lot lately because frankly I don't see much point in doing so these days and there appears to be an increasing amount of negativity and EGO here of late, well since Lord Sid left who used to keep the EGOists in check!

Perhaps the founders of Project Avalon might want to review what's happening here and listen to what seems to be an overwhelming amount of unhappiness about how the forum is going.................... or don't you care?

Up to you guys, but I have to say I won't be coming on here much, not until it improves and starts running the way it used to. What an absolute shame that something that was so inspiring and informative has come to this.

Love to Lord Sid, Tony, Stan.................. and all the beautiful people. (sighs) :(

Hi Star, which Stan are you referring to?

Stan

[ljwheat]

Another good one bites the dust!!

First Lord Sidious, then Stan and now Tony. Yes, different reasons but they've all left. Or I should say, before some smart a**se says it for me, Lord Sid was asked to leave :rolleyes:. All this has left me very sad. :(

I havent been on Avalon a lot lately because frankly I don't see much point in doing so these days and there appears to be an increasing amount of negativity and EGO here of late, well since Lord Sid left who used to keep the EGOists in check!

Perhaps the founders of Project Avalon might want to review what's happening here and listen to what seems to be an overwhelming amount of unhappiness about how the forum is going.................... or don't you care?

Up to you guys, but I have to say I won't be coming on here much, not until it improves and starts running the way it used to. What an absolute shame that something that was so inspiring and informative has come to this.

Love to Lord Sid, Tony, Stan.................. and all the beautiful people. (sighs) :(

OP -- Pie’n’eal I’ve been away for a week or so, as this really saddens me, but is the very reason I’ve been away moon lighting at another forum testing there waters in search of like minded people.

I came to PA from a forum that was small and extremely negative and co opted beyond belief to the point the owner operator fell into siding with the take over than confront the problem.

Since it was a small site there were no need for mods-- and so policed or deleted accounts based on favoritism and numbers. I was deleted with no warning just suddenly with out a home. All because I was exposing the take over and co opting of the site, I have seen this start to happen hear at PA, and feel that just like how congress has been taken over by self ruling senators if the president is powerless to clean his own house who is?

But when the president has left country, leaving the house to rule itself were dose the little guy turn to, but not post/ignore button/or leave/ so am looking and enjoying my stay in another house of representatives so fare no co opted into and away from its original foundation and purpose.

When I get bad service at a restaurant more than once I stop retuning, and eventually stop altogether, this is happening now with PA. if the mods cant stick to the rules and guide lines, as we are expected to tow the line, then who brings the ship back on course if the captain is not watching his crew and not even on board?

Why is it that the voice of one gets stomped on and the rest look the other way, even after its happened over and over again numerous time’s and its just swept under the rug or just forgotten about if given enuff time.

I entered PA with a strict worrning from a friend that this very topic and thread would not be tolerated and offenders of this type would be forbidden. Haa the second day on this site I saw that is was tolerated. But still I maintained my status to the standards I believe PA to be. And still do, and Mr. Ryan needs to take the wheel and get this ship back on course and setting the plank out for those who need to leave ship, the passenger’s shouldn’t have to jump ship for a few pirate’s who snuck aboard and a crew member is giving safe passage to. Just IMHO

[NeverMind]

see i can even fit Jesus into a Buddhist member so long post ; )

Thomas Merton would be proud of you. :-)

In all seriousness, though, Christian monks being (openly) Buddhist as well are not as rare as many might think.
I wish Tony would come back to tell us his perspective on it.

(You hearing me, Tony?
I can see you reading this! :))

[greybeard]

The forum is successful
There are over 1700 active members and innumerable visitors.
Tony leaving really is not an indicator of the health of the forum.
This is one of the best forum on the Internet for sharing with like minded people.

Chris

[pugwash84]

This is so sad, I am going to miss reading his threads :-S We will miss you so much !! :(

[Calz]

The forum is successful
There are over 1700 active members and innumerable visitors.
Tony leaving really is not an indicator of the health of the forum.
This is one of the best forum on the Internet for sharing with like minded people.

Chris

Thank you your Greyness :hail:

He (as you Chris) are a big part of that happening and thus we feel the loss of those who poured their hearts and souls into this community opting out.

All things must pass ... everything changes as nothing is static ... yes we get it.

Just that ... we love you :wub:

Cal

[ljwheat]

The forum is successful
There are over 1700 active members and innumerable visitors.
Tony leaving really is not an indicator of the health of the forum.
This is one of the best forum on the Internet for sharing with like minded people.

Chris

1700 ? You mean 1699 and myself almost gone 1698 and ½ when dose a leak in a pipe not become a leak? The under lining of this thread is we don’t like posting thread's that are turned into the Jerry Springer “show” or chair throwing with Raldo Rivera. it’s the taste of the site that’s changed not the numbers.

[crested-duck]

The forum is successful
There are over 1700 active members and innumerable visitors.
Tony leaving really is not an indicator of the health of the forum.
This is one of the best forum on the Internet for sharing with like minded people.

Chris

Thank you your Greyness :hail:

He (as you Chris) are a big part of that happening and thus we feel the loss of those who poured their hearts and souls into this community opting out.

All things must pass ... everything changes as nothing is static ... yes we get it.

Just that ... we love you :wub:

Cal I think PA is many different things to many different people, it all depends on who you are and where you're standing, and what direction you're percieveing it from at this very moment. Sort of how people look at the weather forecast.

[Sidney]

Pie'n'eal- I understand the negativity gets too much to tolerate, but most likely where ever you go, there will be the same. We live in a diverse world, forums and all, there are good bad and ugly, but it really all balances out.

Hey sorry to isolate this from a really sweet post. I just need to make a point, I recon it's to Tony.

'Negativity' which is only fear, is poisonous right now to anyone seriously doing his stuff. Everyone is carrying their full load of fear already. We can at least dilute it a little if we need to gather up like this, rather than compound it.
It doesn't balance out, it gets more and more compacted until something cracks, and then everything falls apart. That's the thing all the groups want to avoid. I'm not convinced that's a bad thing and should be avoided. I'm making a serious point of refusing to avoid anything.

It's true, wherever I go there's not just a bit of fear, but I don't blame it on diversity, I blame it on laziness. I want to choose whether I want to handle it, and happily I get to choose. I would imagine everyone should feel that way.
Sometimes it looks like a big F.O. 'Handling' whats destructive is what we're trained as humans to do. That's why things have to become an Armageddon before anyone stops putting up with (we're talking about the whole world now you understand) insanity.

It's our own minds we're at war with. I could say 'and not each other', but it doesn't apply here. We're literally at war between whats tolerable to us and what definitely is not. Before we didn't know we had a choice. But now we also know that compromise is not one of the choices.
At some point you know what you're doing and verification is irrelevant. I'd be happy in a cave.

Nothing changes significantly until we stop compromising entirely. Then it's exponential. We know that.

There's certainly no judgement in at least taking a break from the annoyance, especially minds that know how to fully do that.
Who here wouldn't pick a nice holiday in stillness and calm? That's just as real as the contents of this moronic dream.

But it's not like that. It's really back into the catacombs to rut out more tombs and dig through them because that's the real job. There's a lot of joy and fulfillment in that.

But some guys will do that and some guys won't.


I still agree with my own post here, because it for me is true. If it weren't for the negative, we would not recognize the positive. And there are TROLLS everywhere on the web. If you acknowledge it, are aware, you can ignore it when you see it. Sometimes a troll is clever by appearing as one of us, when in truth its a wolf in sheeps clothing. Their main motive is to go undetected, but at the same time, be good at stirring ****. i have seen it many many many times here on this forum. They try to look like an "innocent" merely speaking their disagreement on a subject, but after a few times, it's not hard to spot. Especially if you are an intuit. But lots of folks not experienced with this phenomenon may not recognize it. During the Charles/Atticus mess, **** hit the fan, and it was so clear who the perps were, but so many people fed on the drama. There were many many perps involved in that one, not just a couple. And they still troll this forum daily. you really have to grow some thick skin in order to "filter" it out.

During the atticus scandal, I left in a huff. I was so hacked off at it all, but after a week, I came dragging back, tail between my legs, cause I missed it, but since then I don't participate nearly as much because when I see trolling, or negativity, i would rather move along, instead of wasting my emotional energy by trying to get someone to see how it really is (IMO). Sometimes I catch myself letting my emotions loose, and getting pissy, but for the most part I have learned to deal with things the way it suits me.

If leaving, is how some deal with it, then that is their right. I have a hunch Tony will be back eventually, he might get home sick. Or not.

[ThePythonicCow]

1700 ? You mean 1699 and myself almost gone 1698 and ½ when dose a leak in a pipe not become a leak?

Members come and go ... both.

New members are joining constantly, and some of those become quite active, in their own distinct ways.

One expects water to flow out one end of a pipe, as it flows in the other end :).

[Calz]

1700 ? You mean 1699 and myself almost gone 1698 and ½ when dose a leak in a pipe not become a leak?

Members come and go ... both.

New members are joining constantly, and some of those become quite active, in their own distinct ways.

One expects water to flow out one end of a pipe, as it flows in the other end :).


Thank you :cow:

... and we as members have a really good reason to express ourselves in the process :)


Worst case scenario saying goodbye to a trusted and dear friend??? Yes???


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[Curt]

Paul, or anyone who knows the answer...what does being a retired member of Avalon actually mean in terms of access to the forum? Can a retired member start threads, and comment in threads, etc.?

Or are they relegated to fly on the wall status?

Also, I noticed there are other statuses, i.e., deactivated, and unsubscribed. Are there important distinctions between these two statuses or are they effectively the same thing as one another.

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul, or anyone who knows the answer...what does being a retired member of Avalon actually mean in terms of access to the forum? Can a retired member start threads, and comment in threads, etc.?

Or are they relegated to fly on the wall status?

Also, I noticed there are other statuses, i.e., deactivated, and unsubscribed. Are there important distinctions between these two statuses or are they effectively the same thing as one another.
Retired members get full "read-only" privileges - they can still login, search and view user profiles. They can't post or modify anything. Except in the most unusual of circumstances, they are welcome to return as full members, if they so request, anytime in the future.

The various other statuses have less privileges - down to not being able to login at all, and not being welcome to return.

[Calz]

Hey Tony ... close to my age you are (me thinks without bothering to check) :juggle:

Expect you remember this???


Y168CNQyO7g

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I find it interesting that when some decide to leave this forum they have to do it "In Grand Style" and make quite a production out of it, leaving lengthy messages of why they left and then coming back behind the curtain or through friends to see how we respond to their leaving. Is this an ego need to be loved or recognized or just a confused soul? Pie'n'eal began a thread entitled: "Don't give up on Avalon" on March 6th then a week later did exactly what he was telling us not to do!!

This is not a critique of Tony, but a suggestion to all - we need to begin to understand why we do things. Peel back the onion of our emotions, thoughts, etc. in order to understand our true motives and then we can truly change ourselves. Otherwise it's just drama repeating itself.

[Seikou-Kishi]

This is not a critique of Tony, but a suggestion to all - we need to begin to understand why we do things. Peel back the onion of our emotions, thoughts, etc. in order to understand our true motives and then we can truly change ourselves. Otherwise it's just drama repeating itself.

Peeling onions makes me cry. Peeling emotional onions could be worse :P

[ROMANWKT]

Dear Tony

I expected you back today, you are coming back aren't you?????????????? There are a lot of people here that really wish you to return, and that's a really good sign to me that you will defiantly be missed, bloody hell Tony I will miss you here, I really cant see you NOT coming back, it just isn't Buddhism my friend, its the way of Buddha and you know it, you have to come back, or I see a whopping big Karma on its way soon, so lets do this NOW.

My deepest and warmest regards to you both
roman

[HORIZONS]

I find it interesting that when some decide to leave this forum they have to do it "In Grand Style" and make quite a production out of it, leaving lengthy messages of why they left and then coming back behind the curtain or through friends to see how we respond to their leaving. Is this an ego need to be loved or recognized or just a confused soul? Pie'n'eal began a thread entitled: "Don't give up on Avalon" on March 6th then a week later did exactly what he was telling us not to do!!

This is not a critique of Tony, but a suggestion to all - we need to begin to understand why we do things. Peel back the onion of our emotions, thoughts, etc. in order to understand our true motives and then we can truly change ourselves. Otherwise it's just drama repeating itself.

Very good observation - I fully agree with you! I have seen this over and over again, so many times, in the two years I've been here. Be here or don't! It's all a choice!!!

[Calz]

Dear Tony

I expected you back today, you are coming back aren't you?????????????? There are a lot of people here that really wish you to return, and that's a really good sign to me that you will defiantly be missed, bloody hell Tony I will miss you here, I really cant see you NOT coming back, it just isn't Buddhism my friend, its the way of Buddha and you know it, you have to come back, or I see a whopping big Karma on its way soon, so lets do this NOW.

My deepest and warmest regards to you both
roman

Roman ... you are there in spades feeling what pie is going through.

We, as a forum, were deeply blessed and fortunate for you to have returned ... and we have the same hope for Tony.

Quality posters of superb value are hard to find and the forum stands to lose dramatically if such members feel the need to leave.

I am happy to see your voice added here.

Cal

[Alex Laker]

I find it interesting that when some decide to leave this forum they have to do it "In Grand Style" and make quite a production out of it, leaving lengthy messages of why they left and then coming back behind the curtain or through friends to see how we respond to their leaving. Is this an ego need to be loved or recognized or just a confused soul? Pie'n'eal began a thread entitled: "Don't give up on Avalon" on March 6th then a week later did exactly what he was telling us not to do!!

This is not a critique of Tony, but a suggestion to all - we need to begin to understand why we do things. Peel back the onion of our emotions, thoughts, etc. in order to understand our true motives and then we can truly change ourselves. Otherwise it's just drama repeating itself.

Then this becomes an experiment. As all things are. Perhaps Tony is trying to understand why we do things. If we get scientific about it (not toooo scientific), you could take what is called a null hypothesis, i.e. the opposite of what it is you really want to know, and use this as the basis for an experiment, in order to find out whether two things are related or not.

Let's say we propose that Tony is a much loved and valued member of Project Avalon. He stays and tries to gauge how useful his words are based on replies to his thread. If people agree with something, they tend to rather more passive and will not reply to a thread, since they take no issue with its content. People only become reactive when their beliefs are challenged, and so it is perceived that the response to the thread is negative when it is in fact not. Tony now gets the impression that his threads are not useful, and he has no purpose being here.

Tony now goes away and is on the outside looking in. He assumes he is not a well loved and valued member of the forum, and by proxy posts a thread telling everyone so. All of the people who found his posts useful, but never said so now become reactive because something which they perceive as negative has happened, i.e. Tony leaving. And so now, by assuming he is not useful, he finds that he really is, and so the null hypothesis is disproved.

Perhaps there is some ego involved, but everyone has an ego, and despite all the talk about "getting rid of the ego", "the ego will hold back your spiritual development", we need it. It is our only means of judging how we are perceived by others. One may say this does not matter, but the self-serving aspect of the ego actually tends towards self-improvement, either for the benefit of oneself, or as I believe for the benefit of others. When we worry about how we are perceived by others, it is because we acknowledge their existence, and because we care for their needs. Without ego, we cannot make assumptions about self, and therefore no assumptions about anyone else, because we have no common fears.

In fact I believe there are two types of ego. The psychopathic ego (which is the thing we don't want) and altruistic ego, which I feel many of us on the forum possess. While these two types of ego serve to benefit self and other respectively, they are subject to the same needs in the way of feedback.

- Alex

p.s. May I once again reiterate my desire for Tony's return. Also I don't know if anyone has mentioned the irony of the fact this all occurred on the wonderous 3/14 - Pi Day? We all missed out on pie.

[RunningDeer]

Very good observation - I fully agree with you! I have seen this over and over again, so many times, in the two years I've been here. Be here or don't! It's all a choice!!!

It has been my experience that things aren’t always black and white. By stepping back, I was able to see the shades of grey.

I am one of those individuals that came and went all within a three week span. (Though I made no announcement and was surprised that people even knew.) Two weeks into my first ever forum experience my comfort level was squeezed. One reason was because I lived by the black and white outlook. I was dumbfounded by how much people said to one another. The honest fact was that I found myself holding my break with each click of the mouse.

And here’s the “but”. But while I was gone, I could read more of what people had said. I was officially retired, and that "fly on the wall". I learned more of how to get around. I learned there are differing rules, flavors and tones in the threads.

What I discovered was that most Avalonians are sincere in thought and teaching and sharing and intent. And the brilliance of thought just continues to blow me away. It’s a rich place. Sometime overwhelming place. A never a dull moment place. A place that you may need to take a vacation from time to time, if only black and white you see.

Respectfully submitted,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[gooty64]

What a horrible existence. What happened to the community concept?

Paul, you have described separation here. "In one end and out the other"



1700 ? You mean 1699 and myself almost gone 1698 and ½ when dose a leak in a pipe not become a leak?

Members come and go ... both.

New members are joining constantly, and some of those become quite active, in their own distinct ways.

One expects water to flow out one end of a pipe, as it flows in the other end :).

[etm567]

I would add to what Gooty said: You can deplete a water table, and I think if you do so very precipitously, that raises the chances of pollutants seeping in and ruining the water, too. You want to maintain the even pressure, don't you? Not let things get all out of balance?

[pickle]

Very good observation - I fully agree with you! I have seen this over and over again, so many times, in the two years I've been here. Be here or don't! It's all a choice!!!

It has been my experience that things aren’t always black and white. By stepping back, I was able to see the shades of grey.

I am one of those individuals that came and went all within a three week span. (Though I made no announcement and was surprised that people even knew.) Two weeks into my first ever forum experience my comfort level was squeezed. One reason was because I lived by the black and white outlook. I was dumbfounded by how much people said to one another. The honest fact was that I found myself holding my break with each click of the mouse.

And here’s the “but”. But while I was gone, I could read more of what people had said. I was officially retired, and that "fly on the wall". I learned more of how to get around. I learned there are differing rules, flavors and tones in the threads.

What I discovered was that most Avalonians are sincere in thought and teaching and sharing and intent. And the brilliance of thought just continues to blow me away. It’s a rich place. Sometime overwhelming place. A never a dull moment place. A place that you may need to take a vacation from time to time, if only black and white you see.

Respectfully submitted,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

Indeedy WCBD, I enjoyed mucking in for a while - I read plenty every day (especially the Here and Now thread - deserves it's own forum, so it does ;-), so I've gone back to the lurker I was before I joined, though I know I'll join in again soon......

Whilst I'm here, there's something that's bothering me about Tony.... I was never into the budhist thingy and so never joined into Tony's posts, though there was plenty of good thinking-kit that came out of it for me. I'm surprised he's gorn and left us for the simple reason that of all that he wrote, giving up never seemed an option - I mean, dodging aside of those that might de-rail seemed a natural part of the turf. If budhism is what I think it is, surely the simplest thing to do is waft aside the negatives - they're part of the trip, no?

Any road up, I hope he shows up again, and if you're reading through Tarka Ducky Tony..... my son bought me a mini budha for my birthday - he (the budha) has a huge smile which makes it impossible to take this life too seriously whilst laying it out to the Great Whatever It Is But It's Fantastic. This life experience requires a thick skin and a sense of humour, you have both.

Peace,

Pickle

[HORIZONS]

Very good observation - I fully agree with you! I have seen this over and over again, so many times, in the two years I've been here. Be here or don't! It's all a choice!!!

It has been my experience that things aren’t always black and white. By stepping back, I was able to see the shades of grey.

I am one of those individuals that came and went all within a three week span. (Though I made no announcement and was surprised that people even knew.) Two weeks into my first ever forum experience my comfort level was squeezed. One reason was because I lived by the black and white outlook. I was dumbfounded by how much people said to one another. The honest fact was that I found myself holding my break with each click of the mouse.

And here’s the “but”. But while I was gone, I could read more of what people had said. I was officially retired, and that "fly on the wall". I learned more of how to get around. I learned there are differing rules, flavors and tones in the threads.

What I discovered was that most Avalonians are sincere in thought and teaching and sharing and intent. And the brilliance of thought just continues to blow me away. It’s a rich place. Sometime overwhelming place. A never a dull moment place. A place that you may need to take a vacation from time to time, if only black and white you see.

Respectfully submitted,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

Respectfully taken, and no offense was or is intended -just my pov - but your assumption of my post is just your opinion based on your experience, for I see much more than black and white, you just don't know it - As a very wise philosopher has stated: "You see black and white, I see red." The fact is - I have taken many vacations from this forum and (I quote again) "the more things change, the more they stay the same" as I have seen more dramas on here than you can imagine - and guess what? I'm still here! Some things are as simple as making a choice, as I do daily (and I quote again) "If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice." Take it or leave it - it's your choice! Bottom line: Tony made a choice, and he can choose to return if he so decides - it is up to him.

[RunningDeer]

Very good observation - I fully agree with you! I have seen this over and over again, so many times, in the two years I've been here. Be here or don't! It's all a choice!!!

It has been my experience that things aren’t always black and white. By stepping back, I was able to see the shades of grey.

I am one of those individuals that came and went all within a three week span. (Though I made no announcement and was surprised that people even knew.) Two weeks into my first ever forum experience my comfort level was squeezed. One reason was because I lived by the black and white outlook. I was dumbfounded by how much people said to one another. The honest fact was that I found myself holding my break with each click of the mouse.

And here’s the “but”. But while I was gone, I could read more of what people had said. I was officially retired, and that "fly on the wall". I learned more of how to get around. I learned there are differing rules, flavors and tones in the threads.

What I discovered was that most Avalonians are sincere in thought and teaching and sharing and intent. And the brilliance of thought just continues to blow me away. It’s a rich place. Sometime overwhelming place. A never a dull moment place. A place that you may need to take a vacation from time to time, if only black and white you see.

Respectfully submitted,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

Indeedy WCBD, I enjoyed mucking in for a while - I read plenty every day (especially the Here and Now thread - deserves it's own forum, so it does ;-), so I've gone back to the lurker I was before I joined, though I know I'll join in again soon......

Whilst I'm here, there's something that's bothering me about Tony.... I was never into the budhist thingy and so never joined into Tony's posts, though there was plenty of good thinking-kit that came out of it for me. I'm surprised he's gorn and left us for the simple reason that of all that he wrote, giving up never seemed an option - I mean, dodging aside of those that might de-rail seemed a natural part of the turf. If budhism is what I think it is, surely the simplest thing to do is waft aside the negatives - they're part of the trip, no?

Any road up, I hope he shows up again, and if you're reading through Tarka Ducky Tony..... my son bought me a mini budha for my birthday - he (the budha) has a huge smile which makes it impossible to take this life too seriously whilst laying it out to the Great Whatever It Is But It's Fantastic. This life experience requires a thick skin and a sense of humour, you have both.

Peace,

Pickle




This life experience requires a thick skin and a sense of humour, you have both.

Pickle, that is a compliment of the highest order. Thank you!

As for an impassioned Teacher, I say: Sometimes the best a Teacher can do for the Student is to allow the Student to become the Teacher. When the two are one and the same, progress unfolds.

[highlyter]

(((((negatoids with negatudes))))) need love.. lots of it.

There is a good bit of truth in the saying.. "anyone that gets your goat, knows where it's tied up." Pi Ne al, your thoughtful and enlightening posts were becoming a favorite for this new comer. Thanks for being here.

[ThePythonicCow]

What a horrible existence. What happened to the community concept?

Paul, you have described separation here. "In one end and out the other"

You seem to be implying that having a community requires having a static membership ... I must not be understanding you correctly. Every community I've known, virtual or physical world, had people coming and going.

Communities, the people who join communities, and the circumstances surrounding communities, are ever changing.

[gooty64]

Fine. Look back at the threads 10-12 months ago and you will find about/maybe ~20% of the members are still active on Avalon forum.



What a horrible existence. What happened to the community concept?

Paul, you have described separation here. "In one end and out the other"

You seem to be implying that having a community requires having a static membership ... I must not be understanding you correctly. Every community I've known, virtual or physical world, had people coming and going.

Communities, the people who join communities, and the circumstances surrounding communities, are ever changing.

[RunningDeer]

Very good observation - I fully agree with you! I have seen this over and over again, so many times, in the two years I've been here. Be here or don't! It's all a choice!!!

It has been my experience that things aren’t always black and white. By stepping back, I was able to see the shades of grey.

I am one of those individuals that came and went all within a three week span. (Though I made no announcement and was surprised that people even knew.) Two weeks into my first ever forum experience my comfort level was squeezed. One reason was because I lived by the black and white outlook. I was dumbfounded by how much people said to one another. The honest fact was that I found myself holding my break with each click of the mouse.

And here’s the “but”. But while I was gone, I could read more of what people had said. I was officially retired, and that "fly on the wall". I learned more of how to get around. I learned there are differing rules, flavors and tones in the threads.

What I discovered was that most Avalonians are sincere in thought and teaching and sharing and intent. And the brilliance of thought just continues to blow me away. It’s a rich place. Sometime overwhelming place. A never a dull moment place. A place that you may need to take a vacation from time to time, if only black and white you see.

Respectfully submitted,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

Respectfully taken, and no offense was or is intended -just my pov - but your assumption of my post is just your opinion based on your experience, for I see much more than black and white, you just don't know it - As a very wise philosopher has stated: "You see black and white, I see red." The fact is - I have taken many vacations from this forum and (I quote again) "the more things change, the more they stay the same" as I have seen more dramas on here than you can imagine - and guess what? I'm still here! Some things are as simple as making a choice, as I do daily (and I quote again) "If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice." Take it or leave it - it's your choice! Bottom line: Tony made a choice, and he can choose to return if he so decides - it is up to him.

This is what I referenced in your post #180. That was all your information provided until this current post:


...Very good observation - I fully agree with you! I have seen this over and over again, so many times, in the two years I've been here. Be here or don't! It's all a choice!!!

Hello HORIZONS,

Here’s my response based on the two sentences provided from the original post I referenced:

When I saw "Be here or don't! It's all a choice!!!" My interpretation was that it was an "either"/"or" choice. One or the other. That's where my black and white analogy began and ended.

If I understand the essence of your additional message it is that it's your belief that like you and your choice to stay, Tony can make a choice and he can change his mind as well. That it is not a black and white decision. If that is your message, then thank you for this further info in this new post.

One point I’d add is that you are correct in one of your statements. I’ll paraphrase: I’ve only been a member for less than two months, while you more than two years and your experience comes from a larger perspective. I’d ask for you to consider that I have lived life long enough to understand that this “Land of Avalon” is a microcosm of the macrocosm of daily life and it’s people. What makes PA unique is that it affords us an opportunity to learn and grow in a safe, and caring environment.

I’ll end with: please know I have have given your opinions and statements my full and lengthy attention.

Respectfully submitted,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[ThePythonicCow]

Fine. Look back at the threads 10-12 months ago and you will find about/maybe ~20% of the members are still active on Avalon forum.
Ah - now that's a very different matter. I take it that you're concerned that the turnover is too rapid, not that there is any turnover at all.

I suspect there may be a correlation between the turn over rates of communities (including this one) and the rates of change in both (1) the nature of the typical member's involvement in that community, and (2) the circumstances surrounding that community.

Grandmother's knitting club, or granddad's Thursday night poker game, might have the same people, for a decade. Same folks, enjoying the same thing, much the same way they did a decade earlier.

The nature of the interests that bring people to a forum such as Avalon, and the circumstances in our corner of the universe that affect those interests, are both changing more rapidly right now.

[gooty64]

a forum such as Avalon,

Well, I came to this this forum based on the Bill Ryan interviews, what happened?

[ThePythonicCow]

a forum such as Avalon,

Well, I came to this this forum based on the Bill Ryan interviews, what happened?

Ah - changing your tune again ;) ?

Yes - that's changed too it seems.

[Alie]

Communities ... we want to belong somewhere, don't we. This is really no different than church --- we join congregations of like-minded folks. When we grow, sometimes we don't resonate the same way with our congregation like early on, so we go to another church or quit altogether for a while.

What is missing in our community is a strong point person, although I have noticed that we have about 7-10 members acting as a "council of sorts" that tend to make up for the missing point person/preacher. of course ... imho

[onawah]

Tony's favorite subject, obviously, was Buddhist philosophy.
A subject which perhaps he did not feel comfortable exposing to the slings and arrows of the current batch of Avalon trolls, and the more trolling prone members.
I can certainly understand how he feels, having at one time been a practicing Buddhist myself.
I enjoyed reading Tony's posts, though I did not often engage in discussion, since Buddhism is not my primary interest anymore.
But I very much appreciated his presence on Avalon, nonetheless.
I hope he will find another place where he can share his wisdom and kindness,
Or, failing that, perhaps come back to Avalon with a game plan that is more adapted to the kind of format we have here.
In any case, I'm glad to have had the opportunity to get to know him.
He helped bring me back in touch with a part of myself which I sometimes miss.

[service2others]

Stay the course with us. You joined knowing there are detractors. We all have them and they are everywhere. Shine some more light down here with us. None of us are here because we have all the answers. Indeed, we are all on the planet to learn experience, co-exist, and see what rises to the surface. C'mon, you know I’m right. And you will come back, because you know you want to. :o Don’t fight it. We love you.
Peace.

[Solstyse]

10 pages later......I don't care why he left.

[Carmody]

10 pages later......I don't care why he left.

One may have not meant that in a negative way, so they should be careful about how it may be interpreted. Thus care must be taken in expression, otherwise it may boomerang back.


as for taking hits, i had that happen the very first time i ventured onto the computer based communications systems of the world, back in the 90's. I mean not 1998, but 1992-1993 or so. I took some serious hits and got into all out wars with the 'unrepentantly ignorant', on a few subjects. My empirical observations on the state of human design vs what was necessary to equal them technically...has now become the standard in that industry. I did the same in the early 2000's. The first was a one year long argument with many people. The second was a 2.5 year long argument with a large group of people. I'm now into my third. Sadly.

My point is that it is always this way.

One can choose the path of least resistance....... or not.

[Kenn]

This is a sad thing, Pie'n'eal offers a lot of hope as he was trying to do the best by people and offered every thing he learned fully without dought, its something special when a person shares those truth they toiled for hoping that it helps them along there way. His words rang honestly to me, sad is the only approriate word I have.

[ROMANWKT]

A message from PIE'N'EAL (Tony) to all

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42538-Pie-n-eal--Tony--a-message-to-us-all

regards
roman

[Star1111]

Another good one bites the dust!!

First Lord Sidious, then Stan and now Tony. Yes, different reasons but they've all left. Or I should say, before some smart a**se says it for me, Lord Sid was asked to leave :rolleyes:. All this has left me very sad. :(

I havent been on Avalon a lot lately because frankly I don't see much point in doing so these days and there appears to be an increasing amount of negativity and EGO here of late, well since Lord Sid left who used to keep the EGOists in check!

Perhaps the founders of Project Avalon might want to review what's happening here and listen to what seems to be an overwhelming amount of unhappiness about how the forum is going.................... or don't you care?

Up to you guys, but I have to say I won't be coming on here much, not until it improves and starts running the way it used to. What an absolute shame that something that was so inspiring and informative has come to this.

Love to Lord Sid, Tony, Stan.................. and all the beautiful people. (sighs) :(

Hi Star, which Stan are you referring to?

Stan

the 'other Stan'. Your'e still here :)

[nearing]

I find it interesting that when some decide to leave this forum they have to do it "In Grand Style" and make quite a production out of it, leaving lengthy messages of why they left and then coming back behind the curtain or through friends to see how we respond to their leaving. Is this an ego need to be loved or recognized or just a confused soul? Pie'n'eal began a thread entitled: "Don't give up on Avalon" on March 6th then a week later did exactly what he was telling us not to do!!

This is not a critique of Tony, but a suggestion to all - we need to begin to understand why we do things. Peel back the onion of our emotions, thoughts, etc. in order to understand our true motives and then we can truly change ourselves. Otherwise it's just drama repeating itself.

I couldn't agree more. As I said on the thread that seems to have been the impetus for Tony's leaving:


First of all, I saw great value in Bollinger's posts. Second of all, perhaps this thread wasn't the place for him/her to post them (I for one would love to see a thread started by Bollinger based on those posts - very interesting!) Bollinger's very well written posts spoke to a more general theme of the value of religions, all religions, and he/she used Buddhism as a stepping off point for it. But the theme of this thread was clearly Buddhism itself in general, a discussion past the point of the value of religions.

I understand Tony's not wanting to deal with generalities of religion in his more specific Buddhism thread. But, on the other hand, no one can control the flow of discussion in a cocktail party nor in an online forum. People's minds will be sparked by something someone else says and they are free to say what they have thought of whether it stays precisely on the topic or not.

Perhaps this is more a test of Tony's beliefs. He is being challenged to let things roll off - let go of the tree roots and weeds on the sides of the river and let the river take him where it will, rather than drown in it trying to control it's flow. Follow the middle way...

Tony is of course, free to leave the forum but he is also free to let others have their voice while not engaging them. No one makes him respond to any one person. If he chose the later, those who come here to listen to what he has to say will benefit (because he hasn't left). At the same time, others may also benefit from hearing differing and opposing viewpoints (even though uninvited).

There. That was my 5 cents on the subject (2 cents aren't enough per inflation any longer)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42327-Buddhism-in-a-nutshell.&p=448479&viewfull=1#post448479

[Tarka the Duck]

I find it interesting that when some decide to leave this forum they have to do it "In Grand Style" and make quite a production out of it, leaving lengthy messages of why they left and then coming back behind the curtain or through friends to see how we respond to their leaving. Is this an ego need to be loved or recognized or just a confused soul? Pie'n'eal began a thread entitled: "Don't give up on Avalon" on March 6th then a week later did exactly what he was telling us not to do!!

This is not a critique of Tony, but a suggestion to all - we need to begin to understand why we do things. Peel back the onion of our emotions, thoughts, etc. in order to understand our true motives and then we can truly change ourselves. Otherwise it's just drama repeating itself.

I couldn't agree more. As I said on the thread that seems to have been the impetus for Tony's leaving:


First of all, I saw great value in Bollinger's posts. Second of all, perhaps this thread wasn't the place for him/her to post them (I for one would love to see a thread started by Bollinger based on those posts - very interesting!) Bollinger's very well written posts spoke to a more general theme of the value of religions, all religions, and he/she used Buddhism as a stepping off point for it. But the theme of this thread was clearly Buddhism itself in general, a discussion past the point of the value of religions.

I understand Tony's not wanting to deal with generalities of religion in his more specific Buddhism thread. But, on the other hand, no one can control the flow of discussion in a cocktail party nor in an online forum. People's minds will be sparked by something someone else says and they are free to say what they have thought of whether it stays precisely on the topic or not.

Perhaps this is more a test of Tony's beliefs. He is being challenged to let things roll off - let go of the tree roots and weeds on the sides of the river and let the river take him where it will, rather than drown in it trying to control it's flow. Follow the middle way...

Tony is of course, free to leave the forum but he is also free to let others have their voice while not engaging them. No one makes him respond to any one person. If he chose the later, those who come here to listen to what he has to say will benefit (because he hasn't left). At the same time, others may also benefit from hearing differing and opposing viewpoints (even though uninvited).

There. That was my 5 cents on the subject (2 cents aren't enough per inflation any longer)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42327-Buddhism-in-a-nutshell.&p=448479&viewfull=1#post448479

Dear nearing

Just to be clear - the debate with Bollinger was nothing to do with Tony having left, and Tony has made this clear to Bollinger as he too was concerned that his input had been contributory.
Debate is a crucial part of Buddhism! If you knew Tony, you'd know that there is nothing he enjoys more than a really good pulling apart of things.

Please try not to distort the reasons: perhaps you haven't read what he wrote in full in his explanation for leaving.

Thanks
Kathie

[nearing]

I find it interesting that when some decide to leave this forum they have to do it "In Grand Style" and make quite a production out of it, leaving lengthy messages of why they left and then coming back behind the curtain or through friends to see how we respond to their leaving. Is this an ego need to be loved or recognized or just a confused soul? Pie'n'eal began a thread entitled: "Don't give up on Avalon" on March 6th then a week later did exactly what he was telling us not to do!!

This is not a critique of Tony, but a suggestion to all - we need to begin to understand why we do things. Peel back the onion of our emotions, thoughts, etc. in order to understand our true motives and then we can truly change ourselves. Otherwise it's just drama repeating itself.

I couldn't agree more. As I said on the thread that seems to have been the impetus for Tony's leaving:


First of all, I saw great value in Bollinger's posts. Second of all, perhaps this thread wasn't the place for him/her to post them (I for one would love to see a thread started by Bollinger based on those posts - very interesting!) Bollinger's very well written posts spoke to a more general theme of the value of religions, all religions, and he/she used Buddhism as a stepping off point for it. But the theme of this thread was clearly Buddhism itself in general, a discussion past the point of the value of religions.

I understand Tony's not wanting to deal with generalities of religion in his more specific Buddhism thread. But, on the other hand, no one can control the flow of discussion in a cocktail party nor in an online forum. People's minds will be sparked by something someone else says and they are free to say what they have thought of whether it stays precisely on the topic or not.

Perhaps this is more a test of Tony's beliefs. He is being challenged to let things roll off - let go of the tree roots and weeds on the sides of the river and let the river take him where it will, rather than drown in it trying to control it's flow. Follow the middle way...

Tony is of course, free to leave the forum but he is also free to let others have their voice while not engaging them. No one makes him respond to any one person. If he chose the later, those who come here to listen to what he has to say will benefit (because he hasn't left). At the same time, others may also benefit from hearing differing and opposing viewpoints (even though uninvited).

There. That was my 5 cents on the subject (2 cents aren't enough per inflation any longer)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42327-Buddhism-in-a-nutshell.&p=448479&viewfull=1#post448479

Dear nearing

Just to be clear - the debate with Bollinger was nothing to do with Tony having left, and Tony has made this clear to Bollinger as he too was concerned that his input had been contributory.
Debate is a crucial part of Buddhism! If you knew Tony, you'd know that there is nothing he enjoys more than a really good pulling apart of things.

Please try not to distort the reasons: perhaps you haven't read what he wrote in full in his explanation for leaving.

Thanks
Kathie

As you just responded to Deega on another thread as Tony and now say you are Kathie, I don't really know who I am talking to.

But my original evaluation (after having read all of the myriad of threads on why you are leaving and the last few you started before that) is that you are begin given a challenge to rise up in your own beef system and as I said before "take the middle path" and stop trying to control the situation. And I stand by that original evaluation. All of this drama only makes things worse.

Take your years of Buddhist education and apply it to yourself.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I posted this under Romanwkt's posting of a letter from Tony - but thought it should be here as well.


Re: Pie'n'eal (Tony) a message to us all
Posted by ROMANWKT (here)

Line from Tony's letter:
I left Avalon to get space, and to understand what was going on, on the forum. I've now got it!


My response:
Two thoughts come to me:

1) You got it??? Buddhism = non-attachment = not holding on.

2) In my world when things are going wrong, the first place to look is at myself. How was I presenting myself? Was I really trying to teach or was I trying to be admired for my knowledge. The Spirit looks for brothers, the ego looks for allies. Which of these two was I cultivating? Perhaps my purpose was correct but my application needs some adjustment. I believe we always need to look at what we might have done to bring something into our lives. Then, we make the necessary adjustments and MOVE ON.

Let's all hold hands in our uniqueness and move on, shall we?

[anklebiter]

Well S H I T! The ones that were really inspiring (Pie) and keeping things in check (Lord Sid) are gone. This is the reason that I too don't spend much time here either.

Come to think of it, PA has gone to hell. I'm outta here. Later!

Mods - please delete my account!

Awwww look at that, I bypassed the censor. There you go - another reason to delete my account.

[ThePythonicCow]

mods - please delete my account!
ok :).

[jagman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FotCW5OIFZc

[kersley]

mods - please delete my account!
ok :).

Paul.. I think he wanted you to ask him to stay...:confused:

[Tarka the Duck]

I'm genuinely shocked at the outright hostility, aggression and lack of empathy shown by some here.

We are trying to build a better place.
What hope is there when such hatred is present?
What is truly in your heart?

What sort of world do you want?
The problem with answering this is that we too have to live by our answer...

Kathie

[Tarka the Duck]

We all have the right to deal with situations as we see fit.
Just reacting merely serves to compound a problem, so sometimes, letting go completely dissolves the situation.

If we make assumptions about other's actions, the same will be done to us. That's karma for you. It's a bugger ;) And everything is timely.

Spaciousness is so refreshing - invigorating, in fact! Whatever happens is for the good, if our heart is healthy.
Taking off a plaster so that the wound is revealed and can inspected and cleaned will lead to healing.
Ignoring the wound by sticking another plaster over the top will just encourage festering...

[Carmody]

a forum such as Avalon,

Well, I came to this this forum based on the Bill Ryan interviews, what happened?

In any method of information collection and rumination of said information, there will come a time where the whole thing, to the given human mind, begins to stagnate. The rush of the new, the rush of figuring things out, whatever the case may be, this too, like a form of a childhood..will end.

There is no endless ride to the top of the given thing. Unless it's the rollercoaster, but that is on closed track under controlled conditions.

Point is, that after the first 20 or so interviews are watched by the given person, all that is left is rumination, and personal advancement in the given areas of interest.

As for the world changing, the information was brought to you so you could either enable, or enact that change, in some manner.

There is an end point in these so called travels. The easy part of watching the videos is basically....over.

Now comes the work part. Individually and collectively.

With regard to the hive mind characteristic, this can anly be invoked on the awareness of situational change level, it cannot be shared on the interpretation of data level, which is what people expect. The reaosn for that is the data approaches and exceeds the concptual analysis of reality for 99.99% of those who may read or view it, thus their respopnse concenring it..will be one that is tied to their given interal wiring and designs on and of reality in their given mind. which is unique to them and in most cases, runs as a untamed unrealized complex animal with many false presmies of understanding. This complex and unrealized inner animal/being then projects outward, into the world, looking for safety in it's explorations on new and some form of complement in thinking from others.

Due to the entire thing having a relatively cerebral characteristic to, and it involving the 'edge' or limits in people in multiple areas, you will see radical positions and posturing, and you will see high turnovers. It is literally the front line of human thinking, in multiple ways, regarding consensus in modern western social and cultural circles.

What happens here today, happens more broadly tomorrow. At what level it affects the general population is not a mystery, but it is a complex matter of conceptual analysis of the wiring of the given groups, regarding response and integration.

Basically the seeker, in their long tavels, appears at the temple, and is given a shot at understanding the triuth and each takes awy their own interpretation.

And until that is duly, properly and nearly fully processed, they will not calm down and understand that the message is uniquely sutied to their inner constuction. My intperpreationa nd even my viewing was/is different, and thus so is yours different.

I can accept that difference when it amounts to a form of clarity that has the other beings moving forward without attemping to corral or instuct others on how to be. It is an act of clearing the self and relaxing via this given clearing, and thus understanding that each is different and all is exactly as it should be.

When people rant and rave, that is them flopping about in a state of being non-clear, within the self. It really is that simple.

We could go on for months here. Suffice it to say that people should consider working on themselves before attempting to notify or help the world.

[jackovesk]

a forum such as Avalon,

Well, I came to this this forum based on the Bill Ryan interviews, what happened?

In any method of information collection and rumination of said information, there will come atime where the whole thing, to the given human mind, begins to stagnate. the rush of the new, the rush of figuring things out, whatever the case may be, this too, like a form of a childhood..will end.

there is no endless ride to the top of the given thing. Unless it's the rollercoaster, but that is on closed track under controlled conditions.

Point is, that after the first 20 or so interviews are watched by the given person, all that is left is rumination, and personal advancement in the given areas of interest.

As for the world changing, the information was brought to you so you could either enable, or enact that change, in some manner.

The is an end point in these so called travels. The easy part of watching the videos is basically....over.

Now comes the work part.

Due to the entire thing having a relatively cerebral characteristic to, and it involving the 'edge' or limits in people in multiple areas, you will see radical positions and posturing, and you will see high turnovers. It is literally the front line of human thinking, in multiple ways, regarding consensus in modern western social and cultural circles.

What happens here today, happens more broadly tomorrow. At what level it affects the general population is not a mystery, but it is a complex matter of conceptual analysis of the wiring of the given groups, regarding response and integration.

I'm :bump:ing this Carmody, just so you can re-read your own jibberish..!

:noidea:

[Pete]

all this talk about Pie seems to me completely understandable, surely all of you must see this as the natural process of getting ready. We have all found avalon to be a most useful meeting place to fully understand what was wrong and how it needs to be changed. Unfortunately there is only so much navel gazing anyone can do and there comes a time to be still and ready yourself for the damn to break. Then all of us will be able to talk with authority and help the newly awakened to understand the breadth and depth of the problem.
I have been very proud of being a part of this group, most of the time I struggle to keep up with the likes of Pie and Lord sid and I thank them for their intellect and guidance. I am ready for the brown stuff to hit the fan and I would suggest that everyone else on this thread is ready, lets stop snapping at each other and remember the fact that we are family.
I love you all, you are awesome and I am proud to be a part of this and to assist as best I can.

Bless you all. I know you are ready to roll as well. pete

[kersley]

all this talk about Pie seems to me completely understandable, surely all of you must see this as the natural process of getting ready. We have all found avalon to be a most useful meeting place to fully understand what was wrong and how it needs to be changed. Unfortunately there is only so much navel gazing anyone can do and there comes a time to be still and ready yourself for the damn to break. Then all of us will be able to talk with authority and help the newly awakened to understand the breadth and depth of the problem.
I have been very proud of being a part of this group, most of the time I struggle to keep up with the likes of Pie and Lord sid and I thank them for their intellect and guidance. I am ready for the brown stuff to hit the fan and I would suggest that everyone else on this thread is ready, lets stop snapping at each other and remember the fact that we are family.
I love you all, you are awesome and I am proud to be a part of this and to assist as best I can.

Bless you all. I know you are ready to roll as well. pete

Thank you Pete. That was truly wonderful and heart felt. And I love you too..

[Anchor]

mods - please delete my account!
ok :).

Paul.. I think he wanted you to ask him to stay...:confused:

If so, such games do not belong here.

[greybeard]

Respectfully to all.
Tony decided to leave.
No doubt he is alive and well in good heart doing what he does where he is at the moment.
There is life before Avalon--- during Avalon and after Avalon.
If he comes back great-- (if that is his choice) and he will be welcome.

Chris

[EnergyGardener]

If only I would suffer such ruminations from an announced vacation as is Pie!:violin:

I know better!:becky:

I am a risk-taker in business, but I go to Vegas for the entertainment: I am not a betting man!:no:

But if I were, I'd bet he'll be back. He will get bored soon (likely driving Kathie crazy), and where else will he receive so much attention and adoration?:noidea:

But, of course, all eyes will be upon our fine sage for his encore.:clap2:

What pressure!:faint:

At least for the first song :sing: , or post rather.:ranger:

Cheers.

[jagman]

Anklebiter wanted me to channel a message for him, He does not want to return to Axalon. He is happy and well and wishes everyone
peace, He said that there's to much nonsense being discussed on PA and he feels that since Tony and Lord Sid departures PA is just
not the same.

[Calz]

Anklebiter wanted me to channel a message for him, He does not want to return to Axalon. He is happy and well and wishes everyone
peace, He said that there's to much nonsense being discussed on PA and he feels that since Tony and Lord Sid departures PA is just
not the same.


Everything changes ... nothing is static ... that is the way of the Universe.

I regret the loss of Pie and Sid as much as anyone ... but then what???

Shall we all fall on our swords and surrender???

Is that the message Pie and Sid brought to us???

hello???


Universe is always changing ... morphing ... deal with it.

In this 2012 year of change how can that not be obvious to all???


Tony is still there ... as is Sid ... emails are available.


What matters most is what is inside of *YOU* Avalonians.

Yes???

[ThePythonicCow]

In any method of information collection and rumination of said information, there will come atime where the whole thing, to the given human mind, begins to stagnate. the rush of the new, the rush of figuring things out, whatever the case may be, this too, like a form of a childhood..will end.

...
What happens here today, happens more broadly tomorrow. At what level it affects the general population is not a mystery, but it is a complex matter of conceptual analysis of the wiring of the given groups, regarding response and integration.

I'm :bump:ing this Carmody, just so you can re-read your own jibberish..!

:noidea:

Thanks for your comments, Carmody.

Sometimes (not always) the best response, if something doesn't seem to make sense, is silence ...

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Why did Pie'N'eal leave the forum?.......................because he CHOSE to.

We can make it complicated by analyzing and re-analyzing... Tony can convince himself he did it because he wanted to help us see what PA has become, rather than take responsibility for his own reactions, but in the end it's a simple as;"he chose to". He could change his choice at any time, but he prefers to peek through the keyhole to see what we are doing and pretend he doesn't care. This is all right if that's how he chooses to play it, but is that what the Buddha would do?

Our futures are created in great part by the thoughts we hold in our minds and the choices we make. Once we recognize this and take responsibility we know we can change wherever we are by holding different thoughts and making different choices.

If Tony Chooses to stay behind the curtain, we should allow him that priviledge.

[Carmody]

Anklebiter wanted me to channel a message for him, He does not want to return to Axalon. He is happy and well and wishes everyone
peace, He said that there's to much nonsense being discussed on PA and he feels that since Tony and Lord Sid departures PA is just
not the same.

PA is the same as it ever was.

Anklebiter's position is the part that needs addressing, and only they can do that.