Frequencies of colours and shapes.

[Poly Hedra]

I'm very interested in how colour and shapes affect us. I would like to have a thread for this purpose where people can share their knowledge and opinions.


All about colour frequencies
"Everything is made up of electromagnetic energy vibrating at different frequencies that correspond to sound, light and color. We are drawn to the colors needed to create balance in our lives, the goal in all healing. Colors attract ... certain clothing and accessories, colors in our homes, and even the foods we eat.

Colors are frequency wavelengths that we conect with based on grid (matrix) attraction. Primary colors following a spectrum called ROYGBIV or the rainbow spectrum."
http://www.crystalinks.com/colors.html

What I cant seem to get much information on is the frequencies of shapes. The most basic first. I keep searching for info on shapes and their frequencies but I get as far as cymatics and reach a dead end.:confused:
Any thoughts?

[modwiz]

I'm very interested in how colour and shapes affect us. I would like to have a thread for this purpose where people can share their knowledge and opinions.


All about colour frequencies
"Everything is made up of electromagnetic energy vibrating at different frequencies that correspond to sound, light and color. We are drawn to the colors needed to create balance in our lives, the goal in all healing. Colors attract ... certain clothing and accessories, colors in our homes, and even the foods we eat.

Colors are frequency wavelengths that we conect with based on grid (matrix) attraction. Primary colors following a spectrum called ROYGBIV or the rainbow spectrum."
http://www.crystalinks.com/colors.html

What I cant seem to get much information on is the frequencies of shapes. The most basic first. I keep searching for info on shapes and their frequencies but I get as far as cymatics and reach a dead end.:confused:
Any thoughts?

First off, great link there. Probably one of the best I have seen around color and its energetics. Also this is a good concept for a thread, IMO.

Shapes produced by sound and revealed in cymatics is definitely a subject I wish to look into. I would start at looking at the shapes produced by the notes of the basic musical scale, but using A=432 Hz as the reference point. There are different views as to the notes and which chakras they correspond to. Tibetans have a different chakra/note assignment than the C=base D=sacral and so on. Depending on which system you use you then get a color and shape correlation. In the system here, C would be Red and D Orange. I am just referencing here. This is not fixed info, but the methodology is fairly sound for investigation, IMO.

[Poly Hedra]

Thanks Modwiz.
I found a lot of very interesting info. Here are a few images and a link that would be good to have here on this thread.
This is a very interesting site. About the music of the spheres, I have to get stuck in. Here is a short extract from the site:
"Several years ago, astronomer Gerald S. Hawkins, former Chairman of the astronomy department at Boston University, noticed that some of the most visually striking of the crop-circle patterns embodied geometric theorems that express specific numerical relationships among the areas of various circles, triangles, and other shapes making up the patterns (Science News: 2/1/92, p. 76). In one case, for example, an equilateral triangle fitted snugly between an outer and an inner circle. It turns out that the area of the outer circle is precisely four times that of the inner circle.

Three other patterns also displayed exact numerical relationships, all of them involving a diatonic ratio, the simple whole-number ratios that determine a scale of musical notes. "These designs demonstrate the remarkable mathematical ability of their creators," Hawkins comments."
http://www.floating-world.org/frequencies.htm

[WhiteFeather]

In this video, secret of the sumerian tablet, it shows how changed frequency's can change a shape. It starts at 1:19. Have a look. Great Thread.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSX-xHE-CqU

[NeverMind]

You may want to have a look at what the Qabbalah says about colour.
After all, it is - very simplistically put - about the manipulation of reality based on manipulation of light.


P.S. And yes, that link really IS very good.

[Poly Hedra]

Thanks Whitefeather, that disk does look a lot like a cymatic pattern. There definately seems to be a lot of evidence about, from what I've read that in ancient times sound/frequencies/energy was used to move huge objects and heal people.
So the combination of colour shape and sound must have a very profound effect on us. Still trying to find images of the colour frequencies. What does red look like as a wavelength?

Thanks Nevermind for the Qabala info. Will look into that too.
Here is another link to sound healing. Some good info there too.
http://http://aniwilliams.com/sound_therapy.htm
So what about sound and shape healing? How does that happen? Any thoughts?

:)

[spiritguide]

Check the symbols for each charkra and related color. Keep in mind that each color has an opposite color Colored crystals vibrate at the frequencies of the charkras and assist in the balance of it's related charkra. The following link will give you more info on the subject and a lead into further research. IMHO

http://www.lightstreamtechnologies.com/light.pdf

:peace:

It is lenghtly but worth reading through.

[Alie]

I'm very interested in how colour and shapes affect us. I would like to have a thread for this purpose where people can share their knowledge and opinions.


All about colour frequencies
"Everything is made up of electromagnetic energy vibrating at different frequencies that correspond to sound, light and color. We are drawn to the colors needed to create balance in our lives, the goal in all healing. Colors attract ... certain clothing and accessories, colors in our homes, and even the foods we eat.

Colors are frequency wavelengths that we conect with based on grid (matrix) attraction. Primary colors following a spectrum called ROYGBIV or the rainbow spectrum."
http://www.crystalinks.com/colors.html

What I cant seem to get much information on is the frequencies of shapes. The most basic first. I keep searching for info on shapes and their frequencies but I get as far as cymatics and reach a dead end.:confused:
Any thoughts?

First off, great link there. Probably one of the best I have seen around color and its energetics. Also this is a good concept for a thread, IMO.

Shapes produced by sound and revealed in cymatics is definitely a subject I wish to look into. I would start at looking at the shapes produced by the notes of the basic musical scale, but using A=432 Hz as the reference point. There are different views as to the notes and which chakras they correspond to. Tibetans have a different chakra/note assignment than the C=base D=sacral and so on. Depending on which system you use you then get a color and shape correlation. In the system here, C would be Red and D Orange. I am just referencing here. This is not fixed info, but the methodology is fairly sound for investigation, IMO.

Modwiz
There are a few other posts that you have mentioned a particular note -- maybe it was A. Here's a question ... Not long ago you talked about one particular note's frequency was changed as the new standard ... would you explain the significance of this change. I assume it had to do with affecting humanity in some way. Was it done in the 60s ... beatles time period? And is it possible to reproduce the sounds side by side by mp3?

Also, this would be a great thread for alternative healing modalities --- homeopathy , aromatherapy come to mind.

[ROMANWKT]

Hi conec

If you check out ROYAL RIFE, that's his name on the web, and his machine, which was removed from him by the USA government, and I believe killed as well for healing people with frequencies and colored glass, check it out there is a lot of info on him.

regards
roman

[Poly Hedra]

Fascinating stuff Spiritguide. A cool collection of facts. I even want to buy the jewellery too :) That part about the polarity colours for the chakras was very interesting.

and this, musical notes and star signs.
14729

[TargeT]

Modwiz
There are a few other posts that you have mentioned a particular note -- maybe it was A. Here's a question ... Not long ago you talked about one particular note's frequency was changed as the new standard ... would you explain the significance of this change. I assume it had to do with affecting humanity in some way. Was it done in the 60s ... beatles time period? And is it possible to reproduce the sounds side by side by mp3?

Also, this would be a great thread for alternative healing modalities --- homeopathy , aromatherapy come to mind.

This is a fun topic, I recently had my musician friend re tune his guitar & it sounded amazing at the corrected frequency.


MUSICAL CULT CONTROL:
THE ROCKEFELLER FOUNDATION’S WAR
ON CONSCIOUSNESS THROUGH THE IMPOSITION OF A=440HZ STANDARD TUNING


Abstract

This article details events in musical history that are central to understanding and treating modern psychopathology, social aggression, political corruption, genetic dysfunction, and cross-cultural degeneration of traditional values risking life on earth. This history concerns A=440Hz “standard tuning,” and the Rockefeller Foundation’s military commercialization of music. The monopolization of the music industry features this imposed frequency that is “herding” populations into greater aggression, psychosocial agitation, and emotional distress predisposing people to physical illnesses and financial impositions profiting the agents, agencies, and companies engaged in the monopoly. Alternatively, the most natural, instinctively attractive, A=444Hz (C5=528Hz) frequency that is most vividly displayed botanically has been suppressed. That is, the “good vibrations” that the plant kingdom obviously broadcasts in its greenish-yellow display, remedial to emotional distress, social aggression, and more, has been musically censored. Thus, a musical revolution is needed to advance world health and peace, and has already begun with musicians retuning their instruments to perform optimally, impact audiences beneficially, and restore integrity to the performing arts and sciences. Music makers are thus urged to communicate and debate these facts, condemn the militarization of music that has been secretly administered, and retune instruments and voices to frequencies most sustaining and healing.
http://web.mac.com/len15/MUSICAL_CULT_CONTROL/Leonard_G._Horowitz.html



my girlfriend says she sees me as white and blue... hopefully those are good colors (she's Hungarian gypsy decent)

[modwiz]

I'm very interested in how colour and shapes affect us. I would like to have a thread for this purpose where people can share their knowledge and opinions.


All about colour frequencies
"Everything is made up of electromagnetic energy vibrating at different frequencies that correspond to sound, light and color. We are drawn to the colors needed to create balance in our lives, the goal in all healing. Colors attract ... certain clothing and accessories, colors in our homes, and even the foods we eat.

Colors are frequency wavelengths that we conect with based on grid (matrix) attraction. Primary colors following a spectrum called ROYGBIV or the rainbow spectrum."
http://www.crystalinks.com/colors.html

What I cant seem to get much information on is the frequencies of shapes. The most basic first. I keep searching for info on shapes and their frequencies but I get as far as cymatics and reach a dead end.:confused:
Any thoughts?

First off, great link there. Probably one of the best I have seen around color and its energetics. Also this is a good concept for a thread, IMO.

Shapes produced by sound and revealed in cymatics is definitely a subject I wish to look into. I would start at looking at the shapes produced by the notes of the basic musical scale, but using A=432 Hz as the reference point. There are different views as to the notes and which chakras they correspond to. Tibetans have a different chakra/note assignment than the C=base D=sacral and so on. Depending on which system you use you then get a color and shape correlation. In the system here, C would be Red and D Orange. I am just referencing here. This is not fixed info, but the methodology is fairly sound for investigation, IMO.

Modwiz
There are a few other posts that you have mentioned a particular note -- maybe it was A. Here's a question ... Not long ago you talked about one particular note's frequency was changed as the new standard ... would you explain the significance of this change. I assume it had to do with affecting humanity in some way. Was it done in the 60s ... beatles time period? And is it possible to reproduce the sounds side by side by mp3?

Also, this would be a great thread for alternative healing modalities --- homeopathy , aromatherapy come to mind.

A=440 is a relatively new development. Here is a breakdown of the frequencies on a piano:

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/PianoKeyboardFull.gif

Notice the many non whole numbers. Generally a sign of unwholesomeness. Go figure.
Here ratios are shown, significanses of these ratios are also a topic of discussion

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/Root-Ratios.gif

The Stradavari violin was tuned to 432 and Vivaldi and other composers used this as their tuning standard.
Here is a list of the note breakdown in the 432 tuning. Note that all notes are whole numbers.
- Mid Low (1 octave below middle C)

C 128
D 144
E 162
F 176
G 192
A 216
B 243

- Mid (middle C)

C 256
D 288
E 324
F 352
G 384
A 432
B 486

- Mid High (1 octave above middle C)

C 512
D 576
E 648
F 704
G 768
A 864
B 972

I find it interesting that the C note frequencies in this tuning correspond to the megabytes of memory sticks under the gigabyte amount.

I will post this link to give some background:http://www.omega432.com/music.html
A little quote:

"The recent rediscoveries of the vibratory/oscillatory nature of the universe indicates that current contemporary A=440hz international concert pitch standard may possibly generate an unhealthy effect or anti-social behavior in the consciousness of human beings."

Suffice it to say that the A=440 tuning is dissonant from nature and both stimulating and aggravating to our nature. Since the Protocols call for constant war until 'they' prevail, this musical aggravation in a time of ubiquitous music would seem to be part of a strategy. How many videos posted here make us suffer through soundtracks. Two main purposes are emotional directioning and more exposure to the dissonance.

[spiritguide]

@ Alie,

Here is the web site about the spiritual frequency that is a source for action. This might be what you are alluding to.

http://www.528records.com/system-page/getting-started

:peace:

This thread is turning into a roadmap to universal law. which is good IMHO.

[Alie]

I'm very interested in how colour and shapes affect us. I would like to have a thread for this purpose where people can share their knowledge and opinions.


All about colour frequencies
"Everything is made up of electromagnetic energy vibrating at different frequencies that correspond to sound, light and color. We are drawn to the colors needed to create balance in our lives, the goal in all healing. Colors attract ... certain clothing and accessories, colors in our homes, and even the foods we eat.

Colors are frequency wavelengths that we conect with based on grid (matrix) attraction. Primary colors following a spectrum called ROYGBIV or the rainbow spectrum."
http://www.crystalinks.com/colors.html

What I cant seem to get much information on is the frequencies of shapes. The most basic first. I keep searching for info on shapes and their frequencies but I get as far as cymatics and reach a dead end.:confused:
Any thoughts?

First off, great link there. Probably one of the best I have seen around color and its energetics. Also this is a good concept for a thread, IMO.

Shapes produced by sound and revealed in cymatics is definitely a subject I wish to look into. I would start at looking at the shapes produced by the notes of the basic musical scale, but using A=432 Hz as the reference point. There are different views as to the notes and which chakras they correspond to. Tibetans have a different chakra/note assignment than the C=base D=sacral and so on. Depending on which system you use you then get a color and shape correlation. In the system here, C would be Red and D Orange. I am just referencing here. This is not fixed info, but the methodology is fairly sound for investigation, IMO.

Modwiz
There are a few other posts that you have mentioned a particular note -- maybe it was A. Here's a question ... Not long ago you talked about one particular note's frequency was changed as the new standard ... would you explain the significance of this change. I assume it had to do with affecting humanity in some way. Was it done in the 60s ... beatles time period? And is it possible to reproduce the sounds side by side by mp3?

Also, this would be a great thread for alternative healing modalities --- homeopathy , aromatherapy come to mind.

A=440 is a relatively new development. Here is a breakdown of the frequencies on a piano:

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/PianoKeyboardFull.gif

Notice the many non whole numbers. Generally a sign of unwholesomeness. Go figure.
Here ratios are shown, significanses of these ratios are also a topic of discussion

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/Root-Ratios.gif

The Stradavari violin was tuned to 432 and Vivaldi and other composers used this as their tuning standard.
Here is a list of the note breakdown in the 432 tuning. Note that all notes are whole numbers.
- Mid Low (1 octave below middle C)

C 128
D 144
E 162
F 176
G 192
A 216
B 243

- Mid (middle C)

C 256
D 288
E 324
F 352
G 384
A 432
B 486

- Mid High (1 octave above middle C)

C 512
D 576
E 648
F 704
G 768
A 864
B 972

I find it interesting that the C note frequencies in this tuning correspond to the megabytes of memory sticks under the gigabyte amount.

I will post this link to give some background:http://www.omega432.com/music.html
A little quote:

"The recent rediscoveries of the vibratory/oscillatory nature of the universe indicates that current contemporary A=440hz international concert pitch standard may possibly generate an unhealthy effect or anti-social behavior in the consciousness of human beings."

Suffice it to say that the A=440 tuning is dissonant from nature and both stimulating and aggravating to our nature. Since the Protocols call for constant war until 'they' prevail, this musical aggravation in a time of ubiquitous music would seem to be part of a strategy. How many videos posted here make us suffer through soundtracks. Two main purposes are emotional directioning and more exposure to the dissonance.

I certainly understand now --- it threw off all the notes completely. Now as a musician, can you play a song in both ways, and if yes; does it make you FEEL differently? I'm just curious. Also, to my "westernized" soul ... I can not listen to middle eastern music b/c it's very disturbing to me. It has such a different scale. But it's not that I'm prejudice, cause I'm of middle eastern descent, but the combination of notes "scrambles" me.

Also, have you ever thought about the universe/galaxy/heavens as being music.

[TargeT]

Suffice it to say that the A=440 tuning is dissonant from nature and both stimulating and aggravating to our nature. Since the Protocols call for constant war until 'they' prevail, this musical aggravation in a time of ubiquitous music would seem to be part of a strategy. How many videos posted here make us suffer through soundtracks. Two main purposes are emotional directioning and more exposure to the dissonance.

I think you are being nice in your explanation. 440hz originated from a Nazi scientist that we brought back over with Project Paper clip, the link I posted is much darker in nature and shows bad intent which I think was the whole purpose for the re scaling (though your points are all valid and lend to the same conclusion)


This part seems to have a bit of lore behind it, but the popular theory is that a Nazi propaganda minister named Josef Goebbels pushed for it to cause our bodies to be out of harmony with nature. Nature, it seems mathematically, also resonates at 432 Hz, not at 440 Hz. In any case, 440 Hz has been accepted and is the standard in use today
http://www.lazytechguys.com/commentary/soundproduction/a-small-but-significant-controversy-in-music/

[modwiz]

I found this wikipedia entry on another site. This is a combination of dazzling with brilliance and baffling with bullshyte. Wikipedia is under the control of 'them'. Academically excellent in most cases. Notice, with all of this detailed information we are left with the impression that tuning is more a consequence of situation and circumstance rather than convention. Even though such conventions were passed in both Britain and Germany in the forties.


History of pitch standards in Western music

Historically, various standards have been used to fix the pitch of notes at certain frequencies[4]. Various systems of musical tuning have also been used to determine the relative frequency of notes in a scale.

Pre-19th century

Until the 19th century there was no concerted effort to standardize musical pitch, and the levels across Europe varied widely. Pitches did not just vary from place to place, or over time—pitch levels could vary even within the same city. The pitch used for an English cathedral organ in the 17th century, for example, could be as much as five semitones lower than that used for a domestic keyboard instrument in the same city.

Even within one church, the pitch used could vary over time because of the way organs were tuned. Generally, the end of an organ pipe would be hammered inwards to a cone, or flared outwards, to raise or lower the pitch. When the pipe ends became frayed by this constant process they were all trimmed down, thus raising the overall pitch of the organ.

Some idea of the variance in pitches can be gained by examining old pitchpipes, organ pipes and other sources. For example, an English pitchpipe from 1720 plays the A above middle C at 380 Hz, (info) while the organs played by Johann Sebastian Bach in Hamburg, Leipzig and Weimar were pitched at A = 480 Hz, (info) a difference of around four semitones. In other words, the A produced by the 1720 pitchpipe would have been at the same frequency as the F on one of Bach's organs.

From the early 18th century, pitch could be also controlled with the use of tuning forks (invented in 1711), although again there was variation. For example, a tuning fork associated with Handel, dating from 1740, is pitched at A = 422.5 Hz, (info) while a later one from 1780 is pitched at A = 409 Hz, (info) almost a semitone lower. Nonetheless, there was a tendency towards the end of the 18th century for the frequency of the A above middle C to be in the range of 400 (info) to 450 Hz.

The frequencies quoted here are based on modern measurements and would not have been precisely known to musicians of the day. Although Mersenne had made a rough determination of sound frequencies as early as the 1600s, such measurements did not become scientifically accurate until the 19th century, beginning with the work of German physicist Johann Scheibler in the 1830s. The unit hertz (Hz), replacing cycles per second (cps), was not introduced until the twentieth century.

Pitch inflation

During historical periods when instrumental music rose in prominence (relative to the voice), there was a continuous tendency for pitch levels to rise. This "pitch inflation" seemed largely a product of instrumentalists' competing with each other, each attempting to produce a brighter, more "brilliant", sound than that of their rivals. (In string instruments, this is not all acoustic illusion: when tuned up, they actually sound objectively brighter because the higher string tension results in larger amplitudes for the harmonics.) This tendency was also prevalent with wind instrument manufacturers, who crafted their instruments to play generally at a higher pitch than those made by the same craftsmen years earlier.

It should be noted too that pitch inflation is a problem only where musical compositions are fixed by notation. The combination of numerous wind instruments and notated music has therefore restricted pitch inflation almost entirely to the Western tradition.

On at least two occasions, pitch inflation had become so severe that reform became needed. At the beginning of the 17th century, Michael Praetorius reported in his encyclopedic Syntagma musicum that pitch levels had become so high that singers were experiencing severe throat strain and lutenists and viol players were complaining of snapped strings. The standard voice ranges he cites show that the pitch level of his time, at least in the part of Germany where he lived, was at least a minor third higher than today's. Solutions to this problem were sporadic and local, but generally involved the establishment of separate standards for voice and organ ("Chorton") and for chamber ensembles ("Kammerton"). Where the two were combined, as for example in a cantata, the singers and instrumentalists might perform from music written in different keys. This system kept pitch inflation at bay for some two centuries.

The advent of the orchestra as an independent (as opposed to accompanying) ensemble brought pitch inflation to the fore again. The rise in pitch at this time can be seen reflected in tuning forks. An 1815 tuning fork from the Dresden opera house gives A = 423.2 Hz (info), while one of eleven years later from the same opera house gives A = 435 Hz (info). At La Scala in Milan, the A above middle C rose as high as 451 Hz (info).

19th and 20th century standards

The most vocal opponents of the upward tendency in pitch were singers, who complained that it was putting a strain on their voices. Largely due to their protests, the French government passed a law on February 16, 1859 which set the A above middle C at 435 Hz. This was the first attempt to standardize pitch on such a scale, and was known as the diapason normal. It became quite a popular pitch standard outside of France as well, and has also been known at various times as French pitch, continental pitch or international pitch (the last of these not to be confused with the 1939 "international standard pitch" described below).

The diapason normal resulted in middle C being tuned at approximately 258.65 Hz (info). An alternative pitch standard known as philosophical or scientific pitch, which fixed middle C at exactly 256 Hz (info) (that is, 28 Hz), and resulted in the A above it being tuned to approximately 430.54 Hz (info), gained some popularity due to its mathematical convenience (the frequencies of all the Cs being a power of two) [5]. This never received the same official recognition as A = 435 Hz, however, and was not as widely used.

British attempts at standardisation in the 19th century gave rise to the so-called old philharmonic pitch standard of about A = 452 Hz (different sources quote slightly different values), replaced in 1896 by the considerably "deflated" new philharmonic pitch at A = 439 Hz. The high pitch was maintained by Sir Michael Costa for the Crystal Palace Handel Festivals, causing the withdrawal of the principal tenor Sims Reeves in 1877,[6] though at singers' insistence the Birmingham Festival pitch was lowered (and the organ retuned) at that time. At the Queen's Hall in London, the establishment of the diapason normal for the Promenade Concerts in 1895 (and retuning of the organ to A = 439 at 15 °C (59 °F), to be in tune with A = 435.5 in a heated hall) caused the Royal Philharmonic Society and others (including the Bach Choir, and the Felix Mottl and Artur Nikisch concerts) to adopt the continental pitch thereafter.[7]

In 1939, an international conference recommended that the A above middle C be tuned to 440 Hz, now known as concert pitch. This standard was taken up by the International Organization for Standardization in 1955 (and was reaffirmed by them in 1975) as ISO 16. The difference between this and the diapason normal is due to confusion over which temperature the French standard should be measured at. The initial standard was A = 439 Hz (info), but this was superseded by A = 440 Hz after complaints that 439 Hz was difficult to reproduce in a laboratory owing to 439 being a prime number.[8]

Despite such confusion, A = 440 Hz is arguably the most common tuning used around the world. Many, though certainly not all, prominent orchestras in the United States and United Kingdom adhere to this standard as concert pitch. In other countries, however, higher pitches have become the norm: A = 442 Hz is common in certain continental European and American orchestras (the Boston symphony being the best-known example), while A = 445 Hz is heard in Germany, Austria, and China.

In practice, as orchestras still tune to a note given out by the oboe, rather than to an electronic tuning device (which would be more reliable), and as the oboist may not have used such a device to tune in the first place, there is still some variance in the exact pitch used. Solo instruments such as the piano (to which an orchestra may tune if they are playing together) are also not universally tuned to A = 440 Hz. Overall, it is thought that the general trend since the middle of the 20th century has been for standard pitch to rise, though it has been rising far more slowly than it has in the past.
Many modern ensembles which specialize in the performance of Baroque music have agreed on a standard of A = 415 Hz, an even-tempered semitone lower (rounded to the nearest integer Hz) than A = 440 Hz. (An exact even-tempered semitone lower than A=440 would be 440/21/12=415.3047 Hz.) At least in principle, this allows for playing along with modern fixed-pitch instruments if their parts are transposed down a semitone. It is, however, common performance practice, especially in the German Baroque idiom, to tune certain works to Chorton, approximately a semitone higher than A-440 (460–470 Hz) (e.g., Pre-Leipzig period cantatas of Bach).

There now. Don't you feel more enlightened on the subject? :rolleyes:

[modwiz]

Suffice it to say that the A=440 tuning is dissonant from nature and both stimulating and aggravating to our nature. Since the Protocols call for constant war until 'they' prevail, this musical aggravation in a time of ubiquitous music would seem to be part of a strategy. How many videos posted here make us suffer through soundtracks. Two main purposes are emotional directioning and more exposure to the dissonance.

I think you are being nice in your explanation. 440hz originated from a Nazi scientist that we brought back over with Project Paper clip, the link I posted is much darker in nature and shows bad intent which I think was the whole purpose for the re scaling (though your points are all valid and lend to the same conclusion)

Yes, I am throwing softballs. I am trying to not get too emotionally stirred up. Clearer thinking results when we see the darkness from a less alarmed perspective. Tend to allow for more pro-active thinking than reactive thinking. So much of the info we get comes with emotional pumps. I feel this is manipulative and even counterproductive in some cases. Once awakened, it is distasteful. So, I am attempting to identify a specific 'audience' for what I am posting and taking the higher road. I am seasoning with the protocols remarks to keep us on course, with the problem always in plain sight.

[TargeT]

well I've been told I'm inhumanly lacking in emotion, so I guess I have trouble seeing that perspective but your right, my info is a bit more "fear porn" ish (though I don't personally see it that way) I always like to know the intent behind an action, helps me decide where I stand on it faster & move on to the next interesting information piece =-)

sometimes I wonder why I'm drawn to information aggregation, I basically just regurgitate things I've read in other places and truely contribute very little to the "whole" other than shifting what's already there around a bit.. */le sigh*

[Alie]

well I've been told I'm inhumanly lacking in emotion, so I guess I have trouble seeing that perspective but your right, my info is a bit more "fear porn" ish (though I don't personally see it that way) I always like to know the intent behind an action, helps me decide where I stand on it faster & move on to the next interesting information piece =-)

sometimes I wonder why I'm drawn to information aggregation, I basically just regurgitate things I've read in other places and truely contribute very little to the "whole" other than shifting what's already there around a bit.. */le sigh*

Well think of this .... thesis ... antithesis ... synthesis. How can we elevate otherwise? Rewash ... synthesis becomes the thesis, and so it goes. So TargeT our comments are useful to our forum (most of the time :) ) for growth.

[modwiz]

First off, great link there. Probably one of the best I have seen around color and its energetics. Also this is a good concept for a thread, IMO.

Shapes produced by sound and revealed in cymatics is definitely a subject I wish to look into. I would start at looking at the shapes produced by the notes of the basic musical scale, but using A=432 Hz as the reference point. There are different views as to the notes and which chakras they correspond to. Tibetans have a different chakra/note assignment than the C=base D=sacral and so on. Depending on which system you use you then get a color and shape correlation. In the system here, C would be Red and D Orange. I am just referencing here. This is not fixed info, but the methodology is fairly sound for investigation, IMO.

Modwiz
There are a few other posts that you have mentioned a particular note -- maybe it was A. Here's a question ... Not long ago you talked about one particular note's frequency was changed as the new standard ... would you explain the significance of this change. I assume it had to do with affecting humanity in some way. Was it done in the 60s ... beatles time period? And is it possible to reproduce the sounds side by side by mp3?

Also, this would be a great thread for alternative healing modalities --- homeopathy , aromatherapy come to mind.

A=440 is a relatively new development. Here is a breakdown of the frequencies on a piano:

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/PianoKeyboardFull.gif

Notice the many non whole numbers. Generally a sign of unwholesomeness. Go figure.
Here ratios are shown, significanses of these ratios are also a topic of discussion

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/Root-Ratios.gif

The Stradavari violin was tuned to 432 and Vivaldi and other composers used this as their tuning standard.
Here is a list of the note breakdown in the 432 tuning. Note that all notes are whole numbers.
- Mid Low (1 octave below middle C)

C 128
D 144
E 162
F 176
G 192
A 216
B 243

- Mid (middle C)

C 256
D 288
E 324
F 352
G 384
A 432
B 486

- Mid High (1 octave above middle C)

C 512
D 576
E 648
F 704
G 768
A 864
B 972

I find it interesting that the C note frequencies in this tuning correspond to the megabytes of memory sticks under the gigabyte amount.

I will post this link to give some background:http://www.omega432.com/music.html
A little quote:

"The recent rediscoveries of the vibratory/oscillatory nature of the universe indicates that current contemporary A=440hz international concert pitch standard may possibly generate an unhealthy effect or anti-social behavior in the consciousness of human beings."

Suffice it to say that the A=440 tuning is dissonant from nature and both stimulating and aggravating to our nature. Since the Protocols call for constant war until 'they' prevail, this musical aggravation in a time of ubiquitous music would seem to be part of a strategy. How many videos posted here make us suffer through soundtracks. Two main purposes are emotional directioning and more exposure to the dissonance.

I certainly understand now --- it threw off all the notes completely. Now as a musician, can you play a song in both ways, and if yes; does it make you FEEL differently? I'm just curious. Also, to my "westernized" soul ... I can not listen to middle eastern music b/c it's very disturbing to me. It has such a different scale. But it's not that I'm prejudice, cause I'm of middle eastern descent, but the combination of notes "scrambles" me.

Also, have you ever thought about the universe/galaxy/heavens as being music.
Although I do like ME music there is certainly good reason to find it a little 'off'. The use of a diminished or minor second is a probably the most dissonant note relation besides the dimished fifth. For clarity. If the key was in C then C# is the minor second and F# or Gb (same note) is the dimished/minor/flat 5th. Diminished/minor/flat all connotate a semi-tone or half step down from whatever note is indicated. On a piano the half step up or down is whatever note is next to the note played. The white keys of a piano ore laid put in a C major scale. This may be gibberish, but it is an attempt to make all of this accessible, in some fashion.

Back to ME music. The scale structure and minor second usage in many of these scales is dissonant at some level. A lot of the hard core 'devil music' makes heavy usage of flat 5ths for their very 'wrong' feel.

Most people I know have music playing in their lives almost constantly. I have music playing almost never. Since almost all modern music is at the A 440 tuning, it is unbalncing at some level. There is a lot of positive emotional arousal, for sure, but it all comes wrapped in a slightly toxic delivery system. I now use 432 tuning in all of my personal music and as the tuning for just amusing myself on my various instruments. My keyboard, six strings and bass guitars are all tuned to 440 unless I am playing along with a recorded song which forces me back to 440 in most cases. Some heavy metal tunes a half step down, but 432 is more like a sixth of a step down. There is a system of 'cents' in music. A half step is 100 cents. The difference between 440 and 432 is 32 or 31.76 cents lower.

Yes I do think about galaxies and planets as music. I love Haydn's "The Planets". Pythagoras had a whole system based of music of the spheres. It was the relationships of planets and their orbits/distances from each other and the Sun, IIRC.

[TargeT]

Most people I know have music playing in their lives almost constantly. I have music playing almost never.

Ditto, I listen to talk radio, though even then the bias ( cognitive dissonance ? ) bothers me at times, I stick to local talk shows where I can, makes me feel a bit more connected to the "normals" (which is a term I think I stole from you Modwiz :) )

[Dennis Leahy]

A couple of months ago, Modwiz mentioned using A=432Hz rather than A=440Hz, and it jolted my memory. I knew I had tried it, and liked it, but had the vague recollection that for some reason , after trying it out (on guitar), I gave up and went back to 440.

I couldn't remember the last time I had played around with A=432, so I decided to check it out again. I had recently put a fresh set of strings on. Sometimes I use a little clip-on tuner to give me at least one note, as a reference point, then tune the rest by ear.

So, I went to an online tuner (seventhstring) and had it produce the 432 tone for me... and was surprised that my guitar was already in 432.

My memory is good, but it's short. No wonder I have so many bookmarks, open tabs, and notes scribbled to myself. Then, I checked my clip-on tuner, which I had misremembered to be a typical A=440 tuner. It is a Snark (http://www.snarktuners.com/cliponai.html), and I must have recalibrated it to 432 over a year ago, and forgot I did it.

So, what am I blithering on about? Hell, I don't know. Snark good. A432 good. Memory bad.

Dennis

p.s. Interesting thread, conec. When my daughter was younger, she had a bit of the grapheme variant of synesthesia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia), and I encouraged it. Now, she remembers having had it, and remembers some of the associations, but does not experience it. Oh well, use it or lose it.

[modwiz]

A couple of months ago, Modwiz mentioned using A=432Hz rather than A=440Hz, and it jolted my memory. I knew I had tried it, and liked it, but had the vague recollection that for some reason , after trying it out (on guitar), I gave up and went back to 440.

I couldn't remember the last time I had played around with A=432, so I decided to check it out again. I had recently put a fresh set of strings on. Sometimes I use a little clip-on tuner to give me at least one note, as a reference point, then tune the rest by ear.

So, I went to an online tuner (seventhstring) and had it produce the 432 tone for me... and was surprised that my guitar was already in 432.

My memory is good, but it's short. No wonder I have so many bookmarks, open tabs, and notes scribbled to myself. Then, I checked my clip-on tuner, which I had misremembered to be a typical A=440 tuner. It is a Snark (http://www.snarktuners.com/cliponai.html), and I must have recalibrated it to 432 over a year ago, and forgot I did it.

So, what am I blithering on about? Hell, I don't know. Snark good. A432 good. Memory bad.

Dennis

p.s. Interesting thread, conec. When my daughter was younger, she had a bit of the grapheme variant of synesthesia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia), and I encouraged it. Now, she remembers having had it, and remembers some of the associations, but does not experience it. Oh well, use it or lose it.

I use both a snark chromatic clip on and the 7th string tuner which I downloaded and can now use sitting at my computer. I used it recently when one thread had a cymatic note reproduce a star shape found in Sumerian tablets. It was a B note. Although I think i had the tuner at 440 although am not 100% sure of that. Since the shape formed while the note was still rising, my sense is that the pure note would have been in the 432 alignment, since the other one is unnatural. The 6th of a tone variance would still make the tuner need to pick the B note since the 32 'cent' difference does not cross the halfway point towards Bb. B would also correspond to the seventh chakra in the C based ststem.

[Bo Atkinson]

Way too complex for one thread. :juggle: :juggle:

My own starting point is: The wavelengths involved reverberate harmonic distances.... Distances which merge with distances of given shapes. (Like a loudspeaker with sand on top of reverberating sheet. A sheet with specific dimensional attributes, the speaker with it's own specs, etc...) I like Tesla's articles as a starting point for waves.

If anyone actually has Rife's docs, i'd love to see something of it. It's seems the MIBs destroyed his research and apparatus. Rife inspired much that we find on the web, but where is the original stuff?

[sdv]

I am in awe of the rich feast of information here. Thanks!
Shapes? The formation of water crystals and how this is affected by emotions?

[Alie]

First off, great link there. Probably one of the best I have seen around color and its energetics. Also this is a good concept for a thread, IMO.

Shapes produced by sound and revealed in cymatics is definitely a subject I wish to look into. I would start at looking at the shapes produced by the notes of the basic musical scale, but using A=432 Hz as the reference point. There are different views as to the notes and which chakras they correspond to. Tibetans have a different chakra/note assignment than the C=base D=sacral and so on. Depending on which system you use you then get a color and shape correlation. In the system here, C would be Red and D Orange. I am just referencing here. This is not fixed info, but the methodology is fairly sound for investigation, IMO.

Modwiz
There are a few other posts that you have mentioned a particular note -- maybe it was A. Here's a question ... Not long ago you talked about one particular note's frequency was changed as the new standard ... would you explain the significance of this change. I assume it had to do with affecting humanity in some way. Was it done in the 60s ... beatles time period? And is it possible to reproduce the sounds side by side by mp3?

Also, this would be a great thread for alternative healing modalities --- homeopathy , aromatherapy come to mind.

A=440 is a relatively new development. Here is a breakdown of the frequencies on a piano:

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/PianoKeyboardFull.gif

Notice the many non whole numbers. Generally a sign of unwholesomeness. Go figure.
Here ratios are shown, significanses of these ratios are also a topic of discussion

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/Root-Ratios.gif

The Stradavari violin was tuned to 432 and Vivaldi and other composers used this as their tuning standard.
Here is a list of the note breakdown in the 432 tuning. Note that all notes are whole numbers.
- Mid Low (1 octave below middle C)

C 128
D 144
E 162
F 176
G 192
A 216
B 243

- Mid (middle C)

C 256
D 288
E 324
F 352
G 384
A 432
B 486

- Mid High (1 octave above middle C)

C 512
D 576
E 648
F 704
G 768
A 864
B 972

I find it interesting that the C note frequencies in this tuning correspond to the megabytes of memory sticks under the gigabyte amount.

I will post this link to give some background:http://www.omega432.com/music.html
A little quote:

"The recent rediscoveries of the vibratory/oscillatory nature of the universe indicates that current contemporary A=440hz international concert pitch standard may possibly generate an unhealthy effect or anti-social behavior in the consciousness of human beings."

Suffice it to say that the A=440 tuning is dissonant from nature and both stimulating and aggravating to our nature. Since the Protocols call for constant war until 'they' prevail, this musical aggravation in a time of ubiquitous music would seem to be part of a strategy. How many videos posted here make us suffer through soundtracks. Two main purposes are emotional directioning and more exposure to the dissonance.

I certainly understand now --- it threw off all the notes completely. Now as a musician, can you play a song in both ways, and if yes; does it make you FEEL differently? I'm just curious. Also, to my "westernized" soul ... I can not listen to middle eastern music b/c it's very disturbing to me. It has such a different scale. But it's not that I'm prejudice, cause I'm of middle eastern descent, but the combination of notes "scrambles" me.

Also, have you ever thought about the universe/galaxy/heavens as being music.
Although I do like ME music there is certainly good reason to find it a little 'off'. The use of a diminished or minor second is a probably the most dissonant note relation besides the dimished fifth. For clarity. If the key was in C then C# is the minor second and F# or Gb (same note) is the dimished/minor/flat 5th. Diminished/minor/flat all connotate a semi-tone or half step down from whatever note is indicated. On a piano the half step up or down is whatever note is next to the note played. The white keys of a piano ore laid put in a C major scale. This may be gibberish, but it is an attempt to make all of this accessible, in some fashion.

Back to ME music. The scale structure and minor second usage in many of these scales is dissonant at some level. A lot of the hard core 'devil music' makes heavy usage of flat 5ths for their very 'wrong' feel.

Most people I know have music playing in their lives almost constantly. I have music playing almost never. Since almost all modern music is at the A 440 tuning, it is unbalncing at some level. There is a lot of positive emotional arousal, for sure, but it all comes wrapped in a slightly toxic delivery system. I now use 432 tuning in all of my personal music and as the tuning for just amusing myself on my various instruments. My keyboard, six strings and bass guitars are all tuned to 440 unless I am playing along with a recorded song which forces me back to 440 in most cases. Some heavy metal tunes a half step down, but 432 is more like a sixth of a step down. There is a system of 'cents' in music. A half step is 100 cents. The difference between 440 and 432 is 32 or 31.76 cents lower.

Yes I do think about galaxies and planets as music. I love Haydn's "The Planets". Pythagoras had a whole system based of music of the spheres. It was the relationships of planets and their orbits/distances from each other and the Sun, IIRC.

That was very enlightening. I grew up learning music in a surface sort of way, but I had a very interesting gift of being able to hear something once and then replicate the tune on the piano. I just never understood the math of it. But I am extremely sensitive to anything "off key", but not just music --- fake oils rather than essential oils --- man-made drugs rather than herbs/food/homeopathic remedies.

So, I'm "frequency sensitive" --- that would be an interesting subject --- who else is? It probably correlates to having different chakras open.

[Poly Hedra]

I've gotten as far as post no.14
From what I've gathered. 440hz is a dissonant sound that was introduced in the mid 1930's first and became the norm all over the world. All instruments are now tuned to this frequency. So if you want to re-tune your piano you would have to get is professionally done. Hmmm! Before this it was the 432hz.
The frequency of love is apparently 528hz.
Oh and from 440hz all the other notes become fractional.
I have tried to condense some of the proevious info for my own understanding.
Points to note. Did I leave something obvious out that could help?
here is an image to show the difference between the two frequencies.

[Dennis Leahy]

here is an image to show the difference between the two frequencies.
Conec, do you have a larger version of that image?

Dennis

{edit} p.s. A quick search, and I found it:
http://wonderinspirit.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/432hz-vs-440hz-water.jpg

[Poly Hedra]

I never learned how to read music but I still learned a lot there.
Sorry about the basic quoting, never got my head around that either :) You know who you are.

"Since almost all modern music is at the A 440 tuning, it is unbalncing at some level."
I react quite strongly to noise, out of tune singing, really cheesy commercial music. I need to run away as far as I can get or I just become totally confused and frustrated.
On the other hand I listen to mostly electronic music. There is some that sounds very intense but there is a lot that is like electronic classical music. Since this music made with computers, how does that change the resonance/dissonance?

"I used it recently when one thread had a cymatic note reproduce a star shape found in Sumerian tablets. It was a B note."
Can you tell me how you achieved that? Could anyone do it with a few tools?

"If anyone actually has Rife's docs, i'd love to see something of it.
here is a website dedicated to him. It seems to have all his work on there.
http://www.rife.org/

"Shapes? The formation of water crystals and how this is affected by emotions? "
Yes, shapes and emotions. I guess most people have seen What the Bleep Do We Know.
So water changes its formation depending on the emotions of the perciever. So if water is sent the 528hz frequecy it will display beautiful patterns. Classical music too.
SO if we looked at the shape of 432hz or 528hz would we still recieve that frequency?

Can we create images that resonate on the most basic level?

[Bo Atkinson]

RE: from the first page of http://www.rife.org/

"......Most of his lab notes have long been forgotten about, destroyed or kept under lock and key by a few individuals. These people, for their own selfish reasons, are unwilling to share them with the world. ...."

[WhiteFeather]

I'm wondering if we tune the guitar to 432 Hz instead of 440 hz. would this be a half step down from 440. Lmk. PS IM Sharing this lil beauty from YT.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsHHznFPfwQ&feature=fvst


This one sounds like the test for the emergency broadcast system!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDdC8caAnxc&feature=related

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

Cool thread, Conec. Here is a link to an article of a boy who is totally colorblind, but using technology that processes sound into color. Here's the link from a prevous post:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=429714#post429714

[Alie]

I never learned how to read music but I still learned a lot there.
Sorry about the basic quoting, never got my head around that either :) You know who you are.

"Since almost all modern music is at the A 440 tuning, it is unbalncing at some level."
I react quite strongly to noise, out of tune singing, really cheesy commercial music. I need to run away as far as I can get or I just become totally confused and frustrated.
On the other hand I listen to mostly electronic music. There is some that sounds very intense but there is a lot that is like electronic classical music. Since this music made with computers, how does that change the resonance/dissonance?

"I used it recently when one thread had a cymatic note reproduce a star shape found in Sumerian tablets. It was a B note."
Can you tell me how you achieved that? Could anyone do it with a few tools?

"If anyone actually has Rife's docs, i'd love to see something of it.
here is a website dedicated to him. It seems to have all his work on there.
http://www.rife.org/

"Shapes? The formation of water crystals and how this is affected by emotions? "
Yes, shapes and emotions. I guess most people have seen What the Bleep Do We Know.
So water changes its formation depending on the emotions of the perciever. So if water is sent the 528hz frequecy it will display beautiful patterns. Classical music too.
SO if we looked at the shape of 432hz or 528hz would we still recieve that frequency?

Can we create images that resonate on the most basic level?

Regarding water. It's amazing! Regarding homeopathic remedies (note: layman's interpretation) when you "succuss" you are inputting the energetic information from a solid substance onto the water. The water is changed. When you take the remedy under the tongue, it finds the (disharmony or harmony --- sorry not sure which) to jumpstart your body towards natural healing, which is called the Law of Similars. Now here's what used to blow my mind. The more potentized the remedy/water, the stronger the effect, the deeper it goes into mind/body/emotions ... but this higher potency has less (or no) molecules of matter than the lower potency.

Here's an interesting link (http://hpathy.com/homeopathy-papers/how-to-make-your-own-remedy/) about making your own homeopathic remedies and helps you understand succussion and potencies.

[modwiz]

I'm wondering if we tune the guitar to 432 Hz instead of 440 hz. would this be a half step down from 440. Lmk. PS IM Sharing this lil beauty from YT.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsHHznFPfwQ&feature=fvst


This one sounds like the test for the emergency broadcast system!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDdC8caAnxc&feature=related

432 is more like a 1/6 of a step down. A whole step is 200 cents, as measured in the cent measurement. 432 is 32 cents down from 440. since 33.33 ia a full 1/6th then 32 cents is just shy of that but roughly equivalent.

[modwiz]

I've gotten as far as post no.14
From what I've gathered. 440hz is a dissonant sound that was introduced in the mid 1930's first and became the norm all over the world. All instruments are now tuned to this frequency. So if you want to re-tune your piano you would have to get is professionally done. Hmmm! Before this it was the 432hz.
The frequency of love is apparently 528hz.
Oh and from 440hz all the other notes become fractional.
I have tried to condense some of the proevious info for my own understanding.
Points to note. Did I leave something obvious out that could help?
here is an image to show the difference between the two frequencies.

Here is the cymatic for 432:http://www.omega432.com/images/Omega432%E2%84%A2_image_Cymascope.png

Notice the hint of a heart shape. In the C note based chakra/note correspondence with C=base then A is the heart of 4th. There is a chart above that I do not have agreement with in some of its alignments. There seem to bee inconsistencies as well when looking at it in its entirety.

I am putting a link to the page that I got this image from because it is part of the agreement about post the image.
http://www.omega432.com/music.html

[Poly Hedra]

I REALLY want a Cymascope!!!

I had a look at the link, some very cool info about the geometry of 432hz.
For ages now I've been trying to figure out what a square might sound like. But after looking at the cymatic images on the site http://www.cymascope.com/cymascope.html I'm not sure there is such a simple shape to be produced through cymatics.

I see the image looks like a heart, but also a triangle.
What do you mean by A is the heart of the 4th?

I wanted to learn about shapes and sound but I'm coming to an understanding that sound comes before shape. Oh and colour!

[Dennis Leahy]

Here is the cymatic for 432:http://www.omega432.com/images/Omega432%E2%84%A2_image_Cymascope.png

Notice the hint of a heart shape. In the C note based chakra/note correspondence with C=base then A is the heart of 4th.
First thing it made me think of is the mineral/gemstone tourmaline, which sometimes has exactly that "trigonal" shape in the Z-axis (which would be a cross section of a long crystal.

http://www.pixiecrystals.com/upload/shop/Watermelon%20Tourmaline%20Slice%203006%203.jpg

(Tourmaline comes in many colors, and this crystal - pink interior with green exterior - is known as "watermelon" tourmaline)

Tourmaline crystals, when heated, give off enough ions that you don't have to "believe" in crystals, the crystal is piezoelectric and ion discharge can be measured. I have seen some goofy use of this: tourmaline crystal in a hairdryer (https://www.theindustrysource.com/content/babyliss-pro-tt-tourmaline-5000), supposed to reduce frizzy hair.

This isn't just to throw a bunch of silly factoids on the table, but rather in the hope that it catalyzes some avenues of thought about that particular crystalline structure - and how it compares to the cymatic for 432Hz. Those crystals grow out of a solution, and it makes me wonder if the Earth was emitting that frequency (or maybe more likely, some lower harmonic of that frequency) into the solution. Seems like if the crystal started to grow in that shape (from the frequency that was vibrating the solution) that the crystal would keep building itself in that shape even if the frequency stopped or changed.

More questions than answers, but it got me wondering... :~)

Dennis

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I can read music (slowly) and play the piano (poorly), sing the same way, but love both. At some point in my life I realized if I put myself in a meditative trance while I was doing either of these that I could raise my vibrations and tap into magical moments of creativity.

Here is David Icke's vido on Sound Creating Matter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCmGjD9j9bU&feature=related

Cymatics is the study of wave phenomena. It is typically associated with the physical patterns produced through the interaction of sound waves in a medium.

A simple experiment demonstrating the visualisation of cymatics can be done by sprinkling sand on a metal plate and vibrating the plate, for example by drawing a violin bow along the edge, the sand will then form itself into standing wave patterns such as simple concentric circles. The higher the frequency, the more complex the shapes produced, with certain shapes having similarities to traditional mandala designs.

History of Cymatics

The study of the patterns produced by vibrating bodies has a venerable history. One of the earliest to notice that an oscillating body displayed regular patterns was Galileo Galilei, who wrote in his 1632 book, "Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems": Below is a video showing how salt rearranges itself when sound waves are introduced. Caution: This may hurt your ears you might want to turn down volume.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9GBf8y0lY0

[Poly Hedra]

A lot of very interesting questions there Dennis. Crystalline structures forming through the frequencies of the earth. I wonder what kind of theories are out there?
This is a link to the wikipedia page on Sound.
Thought it might be interesting to read about the definitions as they are today and what is left out. Sound healing?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound

Propagation of sound

Sound is a sequence of waves of pressure that propagates through compressible media such as air or water. (Sound can propagate through solids as well, but there are additional modes of propagation). During propagation, waves can be reflected, refracted, or attenuated by the medium.[2]

The behavior of sound propagation is generally affected by three things:

A relationship between density and pressure. This relationship, affected by temperature, determines the speed of sound within the medium.
The propagation is also affected by the motion of the medium itself. For example, sound moving through wind. Independent of the motion of sound through the medium, if the medium is moving, the sound is further transported.
The viscosity of the medium also affects the motion of sound waves. It determines the rate at which sound is attenuated. For many media, such as air or water, attenuation due to viscosity is negligible.

When sound is moving through a medium that does not have constant physical properties, it may be refracted (either dispersed or focused).[2]

Perception of sound
Human ear
The perception of sound in any organism is limited to a certain range of frequencies. For humans, hearing is normally limited to frequencies between about 20 Hz and 20,000 Hz (20 kHz)[3], although these limits are not definite. The upper limit generally decreases with age. Other species have a different range of hearing. For example, dogs can perceive vibrations higher than 20 kHz, but are deaf to anything below 40 Hz. As a signal perceived by one of the major senses, sound is used by many species for detecting danger, navigation, predation, and communication. Earth's atmosphere, water, and virtually any physical phenomenon, such as fire, rain, wind, surf, or earthquake, produces (and is characterized by) its unique sounds. Many species, such as frogs, birds, marine and terrestrial mammals, have also developed special organs to produce sound. In some species, these produce song and speech. Furthermore, humans have developed culture and technology (such as music, telephone and radio) that allows them to generate, record, transmit, and broadcast sound. The scientific study of human sound perception is known as psychoacoustics.

[Poly Hedra]

This is quite interesting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoacoustics

"Psychoacoustics is the scientific study of sound perception."
"Limits of perception
An equal-loudness contour. Note peak sensitivity between 2khz and 4khz, the frequency around which the human voice centers

The human ear can nominally hear sounds in the range 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz (20 kHz). The upper limit tends to decrease with age; most adults are unable to hear above 16 kHz. The lowest frequency that has been identified as a musical tone is 12 Hz under ideal laboratory conditions.[5] Tones between 4 and 16 Hz can be perceived via the body's sense of touch."

This is worth reading about too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_beats

[gypsybutterflykiss]

I think it's uber (yea, I mean uber) cool that you found a link between the cymatic of 432 and watermelon tourmaline. ... I've always been fascinated by tourmine.

This is a very interesting thread! I love it!

~gypsy

(don't forget to hum yourselves a little tune from your hearts while you go about your days :)



Here is the cymatic for 432:http://www.omega432.com/images/Omega432%E2%84%A2_image_Cymascope.png

Notice the hint of a heart shape. In the C note based chakra/note correspondence with C=base then A is the heart of 4th.
First thing it made me think of is the mineral/gemstone tourmaline, which sometimes has exactly that "trigonal" shape in the Z-axis (which would be a cross section of a long crystal.

http://www.pixiecrystals.com/upload/shop/Watermelon%20Tourmaline%20Slice%203006%203.jpg

(Tourmaline comes in many colors, and this crystal - pink interior with green exterior - is known as "watermelon" tourmaline)

Tourmaline crystals, when heated, give off enough ions that you don't have to "believe" in crystals, the crystal is piezoelectric and ion discharge can be measured. I have seen some goofy use of this: tourmaline crystal in a hairdryer (https://www.theindustrysource.com/content/babyliss-pro-tt-tourmaline-5000), supposed to reduce frizzy hair.

This isn't just to throw a bunch of silly factoids on the table, but rather in the hope that it catalyzes some avenues of thought about that particular crystalline structure - and how it compares to the cymatic for 432Hz. Those crystals grow out of a solution, and it makes me wonder if the Earth was emitting that frequency (or maybe more likely, some lower harmonic of that frequency) into the solution. Seems like if the crystal started to grow in that shape (from the frequency that was vibrating the solution) that the crystal would keep building itself in that shape even if the frequency stopped or changed.

More questions than answers, but it got me wondering... :~)

Dennis

[modwiz]

Here is the cymatic for 432:http://www.omega432.com/images/Omega432%E2%84%A2_image_Cymascope.png

Notice the hint of a heart shape. In the C note based chakra/note correspondence with C=base then A is the heart of 4th.
First thing it made me think of is the mineral/gemstone tourmaline, which sometimes has exactly that "trigonal" shape in the Z-axis (which would be a cross section of a long crystal.

http://www.pixiecrystals.com/upload/shop/Watermelon%20Tourmaline%20Slice%203006%203.jpg

(Tourmaline comes in many colors, and this crystal - pink interior with green exterior - is known as "watermelon" tourmaline)

Tourmaline crystals, when heated, give off enough ions that you don't have to "believe" in crystals, the crystal is piezoelectric and ion discharge can be measured. I have seen some goofy use of this: tourmaline crystal in a hairdryer (https://www.theindustrysource.com/content/babyliss-pro-tt-tourmaline-5000), supposed to reduce frizzy hair.

This isn't just to throw a bunch of silly factoids on the table, but rather in the hope that it catalyzes some avenues of thought about that particular crystalline structure - and how it compares to the cymatic for 432Hz. Those crystals grow out of a solution, and it makes me wonder if the Earth was emitting that frequency (or maybe more likely, some lower harmonic of that frequency) into the solution. Seems like if the crystal started to grow in that shape (from the frequency that was vibrating the solution) that the crystal would keep building itself in that shape even if the frequency stopped or changed.

More questions than answers, but it got me wondering... :~)

Dennis

I'm a little slow catching up on this post, Dennis, but the tourmaline connection is a good catch. There has to be relevance. I love toumaline. Very orgaqnic for a gem, the skin on them is like bark. Some aquamarines have that too. Not that shape though.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I wanted to address shapes for a moment. I once read something, I believe it was by Rudolph Steiner, but not sure - where creating a geometric design balances the emotions and mind.

I was working with kids in their pre-teens at the time and decided to experiment. It worked, at least in my classroom. At first I wondered if it was just shifting the focus, as opposed to the actual geometric figures themselves. So, I tried just having them create other designs. While each time the creation process did great shifting, it did seem that creating geometric designs took it one stop further. Of course this wasn't a professionally controlled experiment, so only my observation and having the children share how they felt after each.

I have since applied this to my own life. When I am emotionally upset about something I sit down and create a few geometric designs, it always works for me. I also am an amateur painter. While painting a picture also helps greatly to shift my focus, somehow (IMO) it doesn't bring the same peace and balance. Has anyone else had experience with this?

[shadowstalker]

Rife machine
http://www.myenergywave.com/index.html?gclid=CK344YrI864CFQK9tgodVgT3Kg

[TargeT]

I wanted to address shapes for a moment. I once read something, I believe it was by Rudolph Steiner, but not sure - where creating a geometric design balances the emotions and mind.

I was working with kids in their pre-teens at the time and decided to experiment. It worked, at least in my classroom. At first I wondered if it was just shifting the focus, as opposed to the actual geometric figures themselves. So, I tried just having them create other designs. While each time the creation process did great shifting, it did seem that creating geometric designs took it one stop further. Of course this wasn't a professionally controlled experiment, so only my observation and having the children share how they felt after each.

I have since applied this to my own life. When I am emotionally upset about something I sit down and create a few geometric designs, it always works for me. I also am an amateur painter. While painting a picture also helps greatly to shift my focus, somehow (IMO) it doesn't bring the same peace and balance. Has anyone else had experience with this?


can you provide examples, what do you mean exactly when you say "creating" do you mean "reproducing"... a picture is worth a thousand words etc... ;)



Rife machine
http://www.myenergywave.com/index.html?gclid=CK344YrI864CFQK9tgodVgT3Kg

I must not be understanding this correctly, this machine destroyes microbes in the body?

Our bodies need microbes (bacteria etc.) right? that's how our digestive track works...

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I mean drawing once from scratch.

http://www.quilterscache.com/QuiltBlocks Galore.htmlhttp://www.quilterscache.com/QuiltBlocksGalore.html

I wasn't able to post a picture, maybe someone else can do it for me? Thanks, B

[Dorjezigzag]

I am very much interested in this, how vibration and frequency permeate all the senses. My work in both Art and music often considers the inter connectedness.

A great Artist to consider is Kandinsky who was a synaesthete, meaning that he could see sound as color, and vice versa. His writings on color theory sometimes bordered on the mystical, as his own interpretations and visual impressions took on almost paranormal qualities. Kandinsky experimented with color and minimal composition, eschewing reality from his work. Like music, his paintings were renderings of emotional states, and while it is easy to feel sadness when looking at an image of a tragic scene, Kandinsky's work would communicate the same feelings without incorporating representational elements
http://www.artgalleryabc.com/images/kandinsky30.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/Kandinsky_white.jpg/220px-Kandinsky_white.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9uuIarcA33Q/S3fjq3u6sTI/AAAAAAAAAw4/XpTbrxiCqRA/s400/wassily-kandinsky-hommage-to-grohmann.jpg

[TargeT]

I mean drawing once from scratch.

http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/friendship-quilt-pattern-1.jpg
I wasn't able to post a picture, maybe someone else can do it for me? Thanks, B

Ahh ok, this makes sense.

so the exersize is done when emotional disturbance is obvious or to "settle the mind" before a test or ?

Flesh it out a bit more for me ;)

This page is pretty disparaging of the "rife" machine... I'm going to catigorize it as "bunK" for now
RIFE : http://torque.oncloud8.com/archives/000548.html

[Poly Hedra]

The whole idea of the frequencies of the earth creating the structure of our planet is very cool to think about. I got interested in crystals a while back and moved on to something else. I used to carry around a moss agate for healing. Definately time to learn about crystals.
Ba-ba-Ra
I know what you are saying about the geometric shapes having an effect. I have always thought this and spend my time thinking about how and why this happens.
I started drawing geometric shapes because I was curious about how they would affect my perception. I hav e these geometric designs on my wall so I can look at them. Its really cool, they start to become 3D and change a lot. I honestly feel myself feeling clear. (only way I can explain) Do you know what I mean?
Dorjezigzag
I love Kandinsky and he has been a huge influence on me. I used to draw music (copy kandinsky) I always wondered what Kandinsky would have created if he were alive now, with all the technology we have.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

[QUOTE=TargeT;451860
Ahh ok, this makes sense.

so the exersize is done when emotional disturbance is obvious or to "settle the mind" before a test or ?

Flesh it out a bit more for me ;)
[/QUOTE]



Before a test would be good as would bring the mind into focus. It is said geometric designs calm the distraught mind and help clear a confused mind. Adding color also brings in another vibration - colors that a pleasing or soothing to you - or colors that are exciting to you if you need energy.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

The whole idea of the frequencies of the earth creating the structure of our planet is very cool to think about. I got interested in crystals a while back and moved on to something else. I used to carry around a moss agate for healing. Definately time to learn about crystals.
Ba-ba-Ra
I know what you are saying about the geometric shapes having an effect. I have always thought this and spend my time thinking about how and why this happens.
I started drawing geometric shapes because I was curious about how they would affect my perception. I hav e these geometric designs on my wall so I can look at them. Its really cool, they start to become 3D and change a lot. I honestly feel myself feeling clear. (only way I can explain) Do you know what I mean?
Dorjezigzag
I love Kandinsky and he has been a huge influence on me. I used to draw music (copy kandinsky) I always wondered what Kandinsky would have created if he were alive now, with all the technology we have.


Since you are drawn to this mode, you might find it interesting to experiment with a communal design.

We did this one: Have a small group (3 to 6) sit around a table, each with his own color pencils and a plain piece of paper. Each begins his own design with a geometric figure (or figures) and then passes it on to the next person, who then adds their figure - continue doing this until the person who began the design considers theirs complete. It's not only fun, but quite interesting.

[Poly Hedra]

So what fascinates me is the application of geometric designs along with colour and sound to create an effect on a human being. Advertising uses it all the time to manipulate us. But what if we turned the tide and used the same priniciples to promote positive outcome, peace of mind etc. I think about the advertising industry using colours to manipulate. Mc Donalds who used to use yellow and red because it was a fast food outlet and red and yellow meant that you moved along and made room for the next punter. These days the colours have changed to mute browns and beiges. SO colour theory is alive and well in the world of commerce. But not so much in every day life. What if we can create an image/frequency/shape/sound that is extremely beneficial to us? Colour being beneficial to the perciever and also sound makes me wonder if this is possible. I would love some opinions on this.
P.S
Could someone give me a good link to the frequencies of crystals or something related to that as I have been searching google but only found crystal frequencies relating to modern electronic. Quartz etc. Thanks. :)

[Poly Hedra]

Here is an article about the use of music and sound to effect the population.
Written by Leonard G. Horowitz
http://2012yayas.com/FaceTheMusic.html

Here is an excerpt
"Assuming the field of physics, including biophysics, is valid, and the universe, including life, is primordially constructed energetically-- mathematically/harmonically/musically--energy (including bioenergy or spirituality as a medium of consciousness) impacts us physically very powerfully, and is mediated vibrationally, really hydrosonically, through sounds' effects on water.(6)

Water, nearly eighty percent of human body weight, is a liquid crystal superconductor. "Structured water" science,(7) as well as the field of electro-genetics,(6) proves this thesis adequately, given light (photons) and sound (phonons) have been shown to signal communications within and between cells , via a liquid crystal proteo-glycan matrix in cells and tissues.(6) This strongly evidences the theory of hydrosonic creationism involving DNA and structured water.(7) Thus, bio-creation and health restoration may have more to do with frequencies of sound energy, or music, than has been thought.

There are a lot of people who consider modern music annoying. Many become emotionally disturbed listening to certain types of music. What few people realize, regardless of the type of music played in the Western World, the standard Anglo-American tuning for instruments and voices was instituted at the same time, by the same agents and agencies, advancing acoustic war studies for inducing "mass hysteria."(8) "

[modwiz]

So what fascinates me is the application of geometric designs along with colour and sound to create an effect on a human being. Advertising uses it all the time to manipulate us. But what if we turned the tide and used the same priniciples to promote positive outcome, peace of mind etc. I think about the advertising industry using colours to manipulate. Mc Donalds who used to use yellow and red because it was a fast food outlet and red and yellow meant that you moved along and made room for the next punter. These days the colours have changed to mute browns and beiges. SO colour theory is alive and well in the world of commerce. But not so much in every day life. What if we can create an image/frequency/shape/sound that is extremely beneficial to us? Colour being beneficial to the perciever and also sound makes me wonder if this is possible. I would love some opinions on this.
P.S
Could someone give me a good link to the frequencies of crystals or something related to that as I have been searching google but only found crystal frequencies relating to modern electronic. Quartz etc. Thanks. :)

The use of color is a major branch of passive magic. Passive magic is much overlooked and is the 'free energy' of the energetic environment. It is subtle, most of the time, but is both accumulative and an aid in focusing. Focus creates a clearer reality and one more in tune with our conscious desires. The passive magical life is one of being playful, in a masterful way, with ones' surroundings.

The days of the week reveal archetypal connections with planets and these have their own color associations. One can choose to harmonize with day for instance. Friday, Viernes, is Spanish and consonant with verdant and the color is Green. Thorsday, or Jueves, is Jupiter/Zeus, king of teh gods and vibrates with regal Purple. Red is Mars, or Martes/Tuesday. Wearing Red to bed could be considered stimulation. The word could in my last sentence make it a conditional phrase and is therefore not a definite or declarative statement. My pedantry is me being proactive against trolling on a subject that is certainly open to interpretation.

Returning to color, one can also wear a color to invoke the influence for health and/or chakra feeding. Red is definitely recommended if you are trying for a bit more confidence or energy. Once again, the simple act of choosing a color for its' influence is a powerful psychological reinforcement tool.

Wearing Blue, especially about the neck, is very useful when speaking is a part of ones activities. The deep cerulean blue of a clear day is the Blue frequency that I find is the most helpful of the many Blue frequencies available. Blue-Green Aquamarine is very much a supporter of immune function because it is the frequency of the minor Thymus chakra. At one time the Thymus chakra was the most important one. Now, the Heart has moved to that position.

[ljwheat]

Dose sound create form, or is vibration the corner stone of 3D, yes to both.-- life -- source -- DNA is the code activated by light.

Light Our Sun is the broad castor for all the code’s of color in light-beyond visual range beyond any possible knowing how this works is our 3D solar system, in turn gets its life codes from the milky way core sun holding it all together.

Trillions of core suns with out number combine to co create this awareness including the spec of awareness we call 3D life.

Focus - expanding the full spectrum of light combined we all hold with in is a doing, Not a knowing just as our Sun radiates its light to us unconditionally, it’s a allowing of our light to radiate out from us unconditionally with our thought or thinking. Just cast your bread on the water’s. or in this case - cast your full color spectrum from that light source from with in that we are. No think-- Do. SHINE. With out thought as the Sun that you are.

Learn to shine not speak. Speaking stops the presses of shining as source. it’s a BEING the light not a doing. You don’t have to do if you are the light. Simply shine, shine, shine, shine, just like our father Sun shine on all things in your radiance. With out explanation shine. Thought is the VEIL. Shine is Source behind the VEIL. Be brilliant not intelligent shine, shine, shine. :cool: this little light of mine.


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[Poly Hedra]

Those descriptions are very interesting Modwiz. Passive magic sounds very sublime.
I would love to know more about the use of colour in passive magic. Are there any links you could give me?

Here is another link(one of many) to the different properties of colour and how they affect us. It mentions a bit about esoteric meaning and chakras.
http://athma-pure.com/color.aspx


edit: this is a link to quite an old book by a guy called Dr. Edwin Babbitt.
The Principles of Light and Colour 1878
http://www.scribd.com/doc/3277374/The-Principles-of-Light-and-Color-by-Edwin-D-Babbitt-1878

edit: Does anybody know of any links between sound/frequencies relating to different parts of the body? I can see that blue is related to the throat chakra.

[Bo Atkinson]

Conec, Thanks for starting this thread. I was stumped on too many self amassed ideas and tangents shooting off in many directions. I am for the most part an artist who got waylaid with sciences along with too many things like world histories.

RE The-Principles-of-Light-and-Color-by-Edwin-D-Babbitt-1878 .... Pgs 18 and 19 do touch upon an area of waves which interests me. Where waves might be differentiated as "standing waves", according to some. Though this book refers to and leaves it at 'beauty'. (Not me under-rating beauty, not at all! After all what is the use of galaxies bereft of beauty?). I'm very drawn to a special context of the concentric wave format. ... I bring up this aspect, apparently 'discovered' by Tesla around the same period of time (late 1800s). Wherein Tesla worked out a positive-feedback of the wave which apparently ratchets up the power to levels of tremendous potential... Naturally the parasites of our world jumped on it for it's destructive weaponry potential. One of the beauties of this wave format was much later picked up by Dr David Bohm, (seemingly to me). As an application in his holographic-implicate-order context (the matrix for the younger ones).

My most recent read relating to your thread was a book by Dr. Leonard Horowitz-- Excerpts in images below. To my knowledge, Horowitz was among the first online writers to expose some murky world secrets, (largely related to world-health malfeasance and more). I always preferred the brighter subjects of life, but also was 'victimized' in a sense, where my dear dad was a WWII-would-be-wistleblower.... Separate story, off topic. Adding to the militant deviance of 440:
http://harmoniouspalette.com/HorowitzExperimentsC.gif

Horowitz's book is mostly positive in nature. He gives a long list of references, ultimately supporting a notion that mere art graphics can stimulate corrective, healing effects. This following graphic appears to have been a favorite of his.
http://harmoniouspalette.com/HorowitzCircleOfSound.gif

I would love to fully 'read' your linked book. It looks comprehensive. However, i don't like staring at display panels all day. Your link won't allow copy-paste (a publisher's bane?). Whereas Horowitz's ebook seemed to allow copy-paste, which is vital for me to paste into mp3 conversion-- Read-to-me, let's me work and play outdoors. This stuff takes time for me to work out.

Too many connections here to balance within one thread. So i better sign off, hoping my post fits the thoughts of others agreeably. (PS- my own words should by no means disparage anyone).

[Poly Hedra]

Thankd Wavydome. DO you have a lonk to Horowirtz's book? I'd love to read more of that.
I have a PDF of Babbit's book but I'm not sure if I should upload it here in case of copyright.
PM me if you want it and I can share it privately.
I've gotten a lot of information from this thread.
I've mentioned this book before but it is quite relevant to mention it here.
A Beginners Guide to Construction the Universe by Michael Schneider.
I'm now reading about the relationship between the number 12 and frequencies.
http://www.constructingtheuniverse.com/bookinfo.htm

[Alie]

My most recent read relating to your thread was a book by Dr. Leonard Horowitz-- Excerpts in images below. To my knowledge, Horowitz was among the first online writers to expose some murky world secrets, (largely related to world-health malfeasance and more). I always preferred the brighter subjects of life, but also was 'victimized' in a sense, where my dear dad was a WWII-would-be-wistleblower.... Separate story, off topic. Adding to the militant deviance of 440:
http://harmoniouspalette.com/HorowitzExperimentsC.gif

Horowitz's book is mostly positive in nature. He gives a long list of references, ultimately supporting a notion that mere art graphics can stimulate corrective, healing effects. This following graphic appears to have been a favorite of his.
http://harmoniouspalette.com/HorowitzCircleOfSound.gif



Thanks to both Conec & Wavydome --- As I am researching Chakra information for my new online business, I must say that the information about the 528 heart frequency from Horowitz is a big breakthrough for me. I also see how Modwiz came up with the tuning frequency he uses and talked about in the earlier Posts.

[Alie]

[Here is a good ebook from Horowitz (http://web.mac.com/len15/LOVE528/HOME_files/MUSICAL%20CULT%20CONTROL_%20THE%20ROCKEFELLER%20FOUNDATION%E2%80%99S%20WAR%20ON%20CONSCIOUSNESS%20TH ROUGH%20THE%20IMPOSITION%20OF%20A%3D44OHZ%20STANDARD%20TUNING%20%EF%BF%BC.pdf) with much of the conspiracies that we on PA understand and how changing the frequency is related to creating "SHEEPLE".

[Dennis Leahy]

Thanks, Alie. An excerpt from that book sure made me think of (math genius?/free energy wizard?) Marco Rodin:


A=444 (C(5)=528Hz) Versus A=432

It is readily apparent from a simple mathematical analysis that A=444Hz and A=432 Hz are harmonically related and both, reportedly, therapeutic. Prove the harmony yourself by simply subtracting 432 from 444. It yields 12; where 1+2=3 in Pythagorean math. Now take 528 and subtract 444 and you also get 12, or 3. Next, take 528 and subtract 432 to get 96; where 9+6=15; and 1+5=6. This result is identical to 5+2+8=15 or 6.

Notice this set of numbers--3s, 6s, 9s and 8s--are always exclusively represented by these special natural pure tones, their scales, and their harmonics. This is precisely what Leonardo da Vinci’s mentors emphasized about cosmic scales and mathematics. (21, 22)

Nikola Tesla, too, taught his students about this unique set of numbers, and always applied this math in his research and inventions, including free energy machines,...

Dennis

[meeradas]

Every (sound) frequency can be 'translated' into visible light (=colours) by octaviding it (long enough).
Wouldn't i be such a code illiterate, i'd have coded an "app" or two in the last millenium, already.
There are so many fields in which this could be of use... back then, i just found it cool to think about performing your music onstage - and having the exact colour equivalent lighting processed in 'realtime', along with the music...
second thought was "healing"... i wish i'd meet someone who can code!

[Very] Interesting in this regard: http://www.planetware.de/octave/cosmic-octave.html

[Poly Hedra]

meeradas
"Every (sound) frequency can be 'translated' into visible light (=colours) by octaviding it (long enough)."

Yes I would love to be able to code an app.
Playdo of Ataraxas's link about the boy who had to see colour through sound is fascinating. I guess this might be close to technology that could see colour and translate it as sound.
Here it is again: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...714#post429714
I am someone who's life is all about the moving image and music. Obviously they both have a huge effect on us energetically and every other way. I am just fascinated.
I tried to use video and effects software for years now to try and re-create the effects of mandalas without really understanding the information that is out there about frequencies. All it comes down to is frequencies. :) Hopefully some day I'll be able to share my work with you guys. I think I have enough info on this thread to keep me researching for a long time.

[Poly Hedra]

This a really cool link that connects all type of things like planets and chakras, body organs etc to frequencies.
http://www.greatdreams.com/hertz.htm
This is also a really cool link, a blog about frequencies.
http://www.echad.se/echad-science-tuning/light-color-audio-frequencies

[Poly Hedra]

I found this guy on youtube called Mythmath Films. His videos are what I've been trying to figure out relateing to frequencies and shapes. He has apparantly invented something called a Kymotropic machine which (well I dont know) oscillators and other hardware that I dont have a clue about. Here is a video using the Solfeggio Frequencies. In the shapes you can see a triangle, a square, a star, the vesica pisces, its amazing to see all of these shapes coming out of the circle - the monad. As I have been studying sacred geometry for a while now, its so satisifying to see what I've learned about these geometric designs in real-time.
Enjoy :)
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[Bo Atkinson]

Wow, MythMathFilms Expanded Solfeggio seems to 3d render oscilloscope streamed-traces onto a donut torus. Or just one repeated stream as same stream for every, higher, synchronized octave shifts.

Magnetic fluids are interesting and could reflect (like a reverberating disco ball), a digital projection of oscilloscope traces, for entertainment music venues. (Oscilloscope or spectrum analysers could project accurate generation of playing music). So it's another of my crazy entertainment visualizations.

This website shows some still pictures of magnetic fluid, but there are others, maybe better ones at that.
http://www.zigersnead.com/current/blog/post/ferrofluids-physics-is-beautiful/09-02-2008/1569/

I've just been to lazy to set a dish of my ferro-fluid over a large speaker, buying new or fixing old stereo. Then reflect light from ferro-fluid.

I don't mean disrespect to people who feel there is a sacredness to special vibration patterns. The universe has many kinds of rhythms and beat frequencies for many kinds of occasions. I take ascension as a pulling self up by their boot straps, to a large extent. That said i like selections from ambient music, environmental, traditional, dance, popular, shamanic, classical music, and a lot more, all at the same time

Anyone here into crazy ideas like that?)
:cool:

[meeradas]

Here it is again: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...714#post429714

Conec, all i get is a 404.
Again?

[Poly Hedra]

Here is the original story. :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16681630

[WhiteFeather]

Perhaps these new frequency's/energy's that are emanating from The Center Of Our Galactic Plane to Planet Earth may just have a beneficial impact to all of its species as well. And If So, Is this frequency making people finally wake up. Can this be a structure of The Divine Intervention? A Thought I Tapped into From The Universal Consciousness Field While Viewing This Awesome Thread. Hey you never know. : ) I Would love to HEAR your response on my perspective.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euAcZUtAU38

[Alie]

Perhaps these new frequency's/energy's that are emanating from The Center Of Our Galactic Plane to Planet Earth may just have a beneficial impact to all of its species as well. And If So, Is this frequency making people finally wake up. Can this be a structure of The Divine Intervention? A Thought I Tapped into From The Universal Consciousness Field While Viewing This Awesome Thread. Hey you never know. : ) I Would love to HEAR your response on my perspective.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euAcZUtAU38

I think it has to do with harmonics. Perhaps its the folks who have a frequency that harmonizes with the frequency being sent our way. Because think about those who are awakening --- it seems they think way outside the box --- which is usually related to lifestyle choices.

[Bo Atkinson]

Perhaps these new frequency's/energy's that are emanating from The Center Of Our Galactic Plane to Planet Earth may just have a beneficial impact to all of its species as well. And If So, Is this frequency making people finally wake up. Can this be a structure of The Divine Intervention? A Thought I Tapped into From The Universal Consciousness Field While Viewing This Awesome Thread. Hey you never know. : ) I Would love to HEAR your response on my perspective.

RE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euAcZUtAU38

I like subtle music even regardless of some label claims, with an open-minded-friendliness. I believe in spending time with nature and the sounds in the wild, or with music or resonation of solfeggio outdoors. But last two years, my ear is filled with avalon-camelot stuff, redicecreations, etc... I believe in hard labor like landscaping and permaculture.... Additionally fit together, as a routine for working out, keeping fit and appreciating the salt of the earth lore or the whistleblowers alike. Or the spiritualists or engineers on podcasts. Or talking shop like how to fix that car. All in days of work and contemplation, between days of making a living odd jobbing, hand-to-mouthy (40 years). One of the interesting things with resonance, noted by Tesla, was the positive-feedback, where for each beat, a synchronized beat of the same freq and phase chimes in at a sweet spot adding increased power to standing waves or perhaps progressions of these. Electronic re-mixing is interesting, but getting these sounds from wood instruments appeals more.

http://harmoniouspalette.com/PondGrounder.jpg

[Poly Hedra]

Wow, MythMathFilms Expanded Solfeggio seems to 3d render oscilloscope streamed-traces onto a donut torus. Or just one repeated stream as same stream for every, higher, synchronized octave shifts.

Magnetic fluids are interesting and could reflect (like a reverberating disco ball), a digital projection of oscilloscope traces, for entertainment music venues. (Oscilloscope or spectrum analysers could project accurate generation of playing music). So it's another of my crazy entertainment visualizations.

This website shows some still pictures of magnetic fluid, but there are others, maybe better ones at that.
http://www.zigersnead.com/current/blog/post/ferrofluids-physics-is-beautiful/09-02-2008/1569/

I've just been to lazy to set a dish of my ferro-fluid over a large speaker, buying new or fixing old stereo. Then reflect light from ferro-fluid.

I don't mean disrespect to people who feel there is a sacredness to special vibration patterns. The universe has many kinds of rhythms and beat frequencies for many kinds of occasions. I take ascension as a pulling self up by their boot straps, to a large extent. That said i like selections from ambient music, environmental, traditional, dance, popular, shamanic, classical music, and a lot more, all at the same time

Anyone here into crazy ideas like that?)
:cool:

I know what your saying about a sacredness to special vibration patterns but I also do visuals in clubs (not for ages though) and make video art and I love electronic music. I see no issue with wanting to use these images for those purposes too. My thinking is the more people who see these images and get to see, even subconsciously, is a good thing. Maybe it can awaken something in them on a deeper level.


Whitefeather
I have an MP3 of the Schumann resonance and it's also a binaural beat recording. Is the Earth's frequency getting higher and higher?
I have the Solfeggio frequencies in order as a meditation to listen to. I guess that maybe we need to hear all the frequencies as opposed to just 528hz?
The notes relating to body organs, mood, performance etc.
I have this software that uses binaural beats to (as it claims) induce different states like concentration, theta, pain relief, various mind-altering drugs.
I tried it with the pain relief when I was up all night with a toothache and couldnt go to the dentist for 8hrs. I went into a trance and 8hrs felt like an hour, it was pretty cool really.

[Bo Atkinson]

I think pesn.com vets things fairly well with healthy, initial, scientific skepticism. So if Sterling put these links up, these are probably worth looking through (as pre-filterd from shill-science or new age shill distractions). Whitefeather, i mean nothing disparaging to the alt-tonality-choir, but many avalonians like to see some balancing between alternative science and alternative spirituality as well. Scroll down the linked page to see how throat tonalities were used to modulate John's tone broadcasting--
For: Oil Cleanup Confounds Coast Guard with Hutchison Solution.
http://pesn.com/2011/02/13/9501764_Coast_Guard_Calls_Clean-up_a_Draw_but_Hutchison_Says/

<iframe width="400" height="24" src="http://prn.fm/?powerpress_embed=25067-podcast&amp;powerpress_player=default" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"></iframe>

This mp3 interview is hosted by a very down to earth woman, who interviews top rated peoples in some of her shows. I think it was inferred that the strange noise thread here, recently, was hearing some of John's modulations? (Perhaps a small point).

BTW, sure, some prominent avalonian-camaloters have sort of bunked John's work, but without peer-reviews. It seems to me none of them could speak conversationally about electronics, modulation, etc.... I studied a course, but could not afford the lab component at that time.

http://pesn.com/2011/08/04/9501882_John-Hutchison_and_Nancy-Lazaryan_elope/


This is an earlier thread parallel to some posts here.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33834-Relief-from-some-energetic-symptoms&

[Poly Hedra]

I'm reading this book at the moment.. I thought I'd share it here. A good read. :)

Sacred Geometry: Philosophy and Practice
by Robert Lawlor
The thinkers of ancient Egypt, Greece and India recognized that numbers governed much of what they saw in their world and hence provided an approach to its divine creator. Robert Lawlor sets out the system that determines the dimension and the form of both man-made and natural structures, from Gothic cathedrals to flowers, from music to the human body.
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/180660.Sacred_Geometry

[Silentthinker]

a thought for you all...i don't talk much but i saw this.
http://www.greatdreams.com/hertz.htm
a list of connections of what different frequencies do... look midway down from 6 to 9 hz maybe up to 10
what the correspond to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theta_rhythm
look at that
then look at this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism#Neuropsychology
and the pathophysiology
abnormal immune system response...great growth early..slow growth late
maybe something good coming in, then a trauma then it stops?
or slows down slower than normal

[Silentthinker]

and this too


In humans, the frontal lobe reaches full maturity around only after the 20s,[1] marking the cognitive maturity associated with adulthood.

Dr. Arthur Toga, a UCLA professor of neurology, found increased myelin in the frontal lobe white matter of young adults compared to that of teens. A typical onset of schizophrenia in early adult years correlates with poorly myelinated and thus inefficient connections between cells in the fore-brain.
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontal_lobe
also:
Function

The executive functions of the frontal lobes involve the ability to recognize future consequences resulting from current actions, to choose between good and bad actions (or better and best), override and suppress unacceptable social responses, and determine similarities and differences between things or events. Therefore, it is involved in higher mental functions.

The frontal lobes also play an important part in retaining longer term memories which are not task-based. These are often memories associated with emotions derived from input from the brain's limbic system. The frontal lobe modifies those emotions to generally fit socially acceptable norms.

Psychological tests that measure frontal lobe function include finger tapping, Wisconsin Card Sorting Task, and measures of verbal and figural fluency.[2]
also the cerebral cortex:
The cerebral cortex is a sheet of neural tissue that is outermost to the cerebrum of the mammalian brain. It covers the cerebrum and cerebellum, and is divided into left and right hemispheres. The cerebral cortex plays a key role in memory, attention, perceptual awareness, thought, language, and consciousness. It consists of up to six horizontal layers, each with a different composition in terms of neurons and connectivity. The human cerebral cortex is 2–4 mm (0.08–0.16 inches) thick.[1]
an overconnection in the cerebral cortex and an underfunction in the frontal lobe...

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Other evidence suggests the underconnectivity is mainly within each hemisphere of the cortex and that autism is a disorder of the association cortex.[100]
Association areas

Association areas function to produce a meaningful perceptual experience of the world, enable us to interact effectively, and support abstract thinking and language. The parietal, temporal, and occipital lobes - all located in the posterior part of the cortex - organize sensory information into a coherent perceptual model of our environment centered on our body image. The frontal lobe or prefrontal association complex is involved in planning actions and movement, as well as abstract thought. In the past it was theorized that language abilities are localized in the left hemisphere in areas 44/45, the Broca's area, for language expression and area 22, the Wernicke's area, for language reception. However, language is no longer limited to easily identifiable areas. More recent research suggests that the processes of language expression and reception occur in areas other than just the perisylvian structures, such as the prefrontal lobe, basal ganglia, cerebellum, pons, caudate nucleus, and others. The association areas integrate information from different receptors or sensory areas and relate the information to past experiences. Then the brain makes a decision and sends nerve impulses to the motor areas to give responses. [20

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again from wikipedia
From studies based on event-related potentials, transient changes to the brain's electrical activity in response to stimuli, there is considerable evidence for differences in autistic individuals with respect to attention, orientiation to auditory and visual stimuli, novelty detection, language and face processing, and information storage; several studies have found a preference for nonsocial stimuli.[101] For example, magnetoencephalography studies have found evidence in autistic children of delayed responses in the brain's processing of auditory signals.[102]


In the genetic area, relations have been found between autism and schizophrenia based on duplications and deletions of chromosomes; research showed that schizophrenia and autism are significantly more common in combination with 1q21.1 deletion syndrome. Research on autism/schizophrenia relations for chromosome 15 (15q13.3), chromosome 16 (16p13.1) and chromosome 17 (17p12) are inconclusive.[103]

what if it's psychic ability and the spirit trying to come through? i see something but the pieces i don't see all of...

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These theories are somewhat related to the earlier theory of mind approach, which hypothesizes that autistic behavior arises from an inability to ascribe mental states to oneself and others. The theory of mind hypothesis is supported by autistic children's atypical responses to the Sally–Anne test for reasoning about others' motivations,[104] and the mirror neuron system theory of autism described in Pathophysiology maps well to the hypothesis.[91] However, most studies have found no evidence of impairment in autistic individuals' ability to understand other people's basic intentions or goals; instead, data suggests that impairments are found in understanding more complex social emotions or in considering others' viewpoints.[106]

what if they see somehow the absolute and not the relative, are trying to go by some higher law instead of societies false rules?

[Silentthinker]

The second category focuses on nonsocial or general processing. Executive dysfunction hypothesizes that autistic behavior results in part from deficits in working memory, planning, inhibition, and other forms of executive function.[107] Tests of core executive processes such as eye movement tasks indicate improvement from late childhood to adolescence, but performance never reaches typical adult levels.[108] A strength of the theory is predicting stereotyped behavior and narrow interests;[109] two weaknesses are that executive function is hard to measure[107] and that executive function deficits have not been found in young autistic children.[28]

Weak central coherence theory hypothesizes that a limited ability to see the big picture underlies the central disturbance in autism. One strength of this theory is predicting special talents and peaks in performance in autistic people.[110] A related theory—enhanced perceptual functioning—focuses more on the superiority of locally oriented and perceptual operations in autistic individuals.[111] These theories map well from the underconnectivity theory of autism.

Neither category is satisfactory on its own; social cognition theories poorly address autism's rigid and repetitive behaviors, while the nonsocial theories have difficulty explaining social impairment and communication difficulties.[63] A combined theory based on multiple deficits may prove to be more useful.[112]

The executive system is a theorized cognitive system in psychology that controls and manages other cognitive processes. It is responsible for processes that are sometimes referred to as the executive function, executive functions, executive skills, supervisory attentional system, or cognitive control. These functions are largely carried out by prefrontal areas of the frontal lobe.

Executive function is an umbrella term for cognitive processes such as planning, working memory, attention, problem solving, verbal reasoning, inhibition, mental flexibility, multi-tasking, and initiation and monitoring of actions.[1]
The executive functions are located primarily in the prefrontal regions of the frontal lobe. These areas have multiple connections with other cortical, subcortical and brainstem regions.[2] Neuroimaging and lesion studies have identified the functions which are most often associated with the particular regions of the prefrontal cortex.[2]

The dorsolateral prefrontal cortex (DLPFC) is involved with “on-line” processing of information such as integrating different dimensions of cognition and behaviour.[3] As such, this area has been found to be associated with verbal and design fluency, ability to maintain and shift set, planning, response inhibition, working memory, organisational skills, reasoning, problem solving and abstract thinking.[2][4]
The anterior cingulate cortex (ACC) is involved in emotional drives, experience and integration.[3] Associated cognitive functions include inhibition of inappropriate responses, decision making and motivated behaviours. Lesions in this area can lead to low drive states such as apathy, abulia or akinetic mutism and may also result in low drive states for such basic needs as food or drink and possibly decreased interest in social or vocational activities and sex.[3][5]

The orbitofrontal cortex (OFC) plays a key role in impulse control, maintenance of set, monitoring ongoing behaviour and socially appropriate behaviours.[3] The orbitofrontal cortex also has roles in representing the value of rewards based on sensory stimuli and evaluating subjective emotional experiences.[6] Lesions can cause disinhibition, impulsivity, aggressive outbursts, sexual promiscuity and antisocial behaviour.[2]

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The executive system is thought to be heavily involved in handling novel situations outside the domain of some of our 'automatic' psychological processes that could be explained by the reproduction of learned schemas or set behaviors. Psychologists Don Norman and Tim Shallice have outlined five types of situations in which routine activation of behavior would not be sufficient for optimal performance:[7]

Those that involve planning or decision making
Those that involve error correction or troubleshooting
Situations where responses are not well-rehearsed or contain novel sequences of actions
Dangerous or technically difficult situations
Situations that require the overcoming of a strong habitual response or resisting temptation.

The executive functions are often invoked when it is necessary to override responses that might otherwise be automatically elicited by stimuli in the external environment. For example, on being presented with a potentially rewarding stimulus, such as a tasty piece of chocolate cake, a person might have the automatic response to take a bite. However, where such behavior conflicts with internal plans (such as having decided not to eat chocolate cake while on a diet), the executive functions might be engaged to inhibit that response.

Although suppression of these "prepotent responses" is ordinarily considered adaptive, problems for the development of the individual and the culture arise when feelings of right and wrong are overridden by cultural expectations or when creative impulses are overridden by executive inhibitions.[8]

The neural mechanisms by which the executive functions are implemented is a topic of ongoing debate in the field of cognitive neuroscience. Traditionally, there has been a strong focus on the frontal lobes, but more recent brain research indicates that executive functions are far more distributed across the cortex.

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Many medications are used to treat ASD symptoms that interfere with integrating a child into home or school when behavioral treatment fails.[20][136] More than half of US children diagnosed with ASD are prescribed psychoactive drugs or anticonvulsants, with the most common drug classes being antidepressants, stimulants, and antipsychotics.[137] Aside from antipsychotics,[138] there is scant reliable research about the effectiveness or safety of drug treatments for adolescents and adults with ASD.[139] A person with ASD may respond atypically to medications, the medications can have adverse effects,[12] and no known medication relieves autism's core symptoms of social and communication impairments.[140] Experiments in mice have reversed or reduced some symptoms related to autism by replacing or modulating gene function,[68][87] suggesting the possibility of targeting therapies to specific rare mutations known to cause autism.[67][141]

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drugs and such to re-integrate them into society...

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how about attention deficit disorder?
Symptoms
DSM-IV criteria

The DSM-IV allows for diagnosis of the predominantly inattentive subtype of ADHD (under code 314.00) if the individual presents six or more of the following symptoms of inattention for at least six months to a point that is disruptive and inappropriate for developmental level:

Often does not give close attention to details or makes careless mistakes in schoolwork, work, or other activities.
Often has trouble keeping attention on tasks or play activities.
Often does not seem to listen when spoken to directly.
Often does not follow instructions and fails to finish schoolwork, chores, or duties in the workplace (not due to oppositional behavior or failure to understand instructions).
Often has trouble organizing activities.
Often avoids, dislikes, or doesn't want to do things that take a lot of mental effort for a long period (such as schoolwork or homework).
Often loses things needed for tasks and activities (e.g. toys, school assignments, pencils, books, or tools).
Is often easily distracted.
Is often forgetful in daily activities.
Often mixes up peoples' names or forgets them for short periods of time.

An ADD diagnosis is contingent upon the symptoms of impairment presenting themselves in two or more settings (e.g., at school or work and at home). There must also be clear evidence of clinically significant impairment in social, academic, or occupational functioning. Lastly, the symptoms must not occur exclusively during the course of a pervasive developmental disorder, schizophrenia, or other psychotic disorder, and are not better accounted for by another mental disorder (e.g., mood disorder, anxiety disorder, dissociative disorder, personality disorder).

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Treatment

Recent studies indicate that medications approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in the treatment of ADHD tend to work well in individuals with the predominantly inattentive type. These medications include two classes of drugs, stimulants and non-stimulants. Drugs for ADHD are divided into first-line medications and second-line medications. First-line medications include several of the stimulants, and tend to have a higher response rate and effect size than second-line medications.[13] Some of the most common stimulants are Methylphenidate (Ritalin, Concerta), Adderall and Vyvanse. Second-line medications are usually anti-depressant medications such as Zoloft, Prozac, and Wellbutrin. These medications can help with fidgeting, inattentiveness, irritability, and trouble sleeping. Some of the symptoms the medications target are also found with ADD patients.[14]

Although medication can help improve concentration, it does not cure ADD and the symptoms will come back once the medication stops. Medication works better for some patients while it barely works for others.[15]

Along with medication, behavioral therapy is recommended to improve organizational skills, study techniques or social functioning.

stimulants...amphetamines...speed/meth...demons..sympathetic resonance...

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don't forget what school is...a program of entrainment to teach people to live a certain way...it's not education simply it's about making their behaviors fit with society...give them the way to think for their jobs and the 9-5 job and house and wife and kids and the american pipe dream...

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Inattention, hyperactivity, and impulsivity are the key behaviors of ADHD. The symptoms of ADHD are especially difficult to define because it is hard to draw the line at where normal levels of inattention, hyperactivity, and impulsivity end and clinically significant levels requiring intervention begin.[15] To be diagnosed with ADHD, symptoms must be observed in two different settings for six months or more and to a degree that is greater than other children of the same age.[28]

The symptom categories of ADHD in children yield three potential classifications of ADHD—predominantly inattentive type, predominantly hyperactive-impulsive type, or combined type if criteria for both subtypes are met:[15]:p.4

Predominantly inattentive type symptoms may include:[29]

Be easily distracted, miss details, forget things, and frequently switch from one activity to another
Have difficulty maintaining focus on one task
Become bored with a task after only a few minutes, unless doing something enjoyable
Have difficulty focusing attention on organizing and completing a task or learning something new or trouble completing or turning in homework assignments, often losing things (e.g., pencils, toys, assignments) needed to complete tasks or activities
Not seem to listen when spoken to
Daydream, become easily confused, and move slowly
Have difficulty processing information as quickly and accurately as others
Struggle to follow instructions.

Predominantly hyperactive-impulsive type symptoms may include:[29]

Fidget and squirm in their seats
Talk nonstop
Dash around, touching or playing with anything and everything in sight
Have trouble sitting still during dinner, school, and story time
Be constantly in motion
Have difficulty doing quiet tasks or activities.

and also these manifestations primarily of impulsivity:[29]

Be very impatient
Blurt out inappropriate comments, show their emotions without restraint, and act without regard for consequences
Have difficulty waiting for things they want or waiting their turns in games

Most people exhibit some of these behaviors, but not to the degree where such behaviors significantly interfere with a person's work, relationships, or studies—and in the absence of significant interference or impairment, a diagnosis of ADHD is normally not appropriate. The core impairments are consistent even in different cultural contexts.[30]

Symptoms may persist into adulthood for up to half of children diagnosed with ADHD. This rate is difficult to estimate, as there are no official diagnostic criteria for ADHD in adults.[15] ADHD in adults remains a clinical diagnosis. The signs and symptoms may differ from those during childhood and adolescence due to the adaptive processes and avoidance mechanisms learned during the process of socialisation.[31]

A 2009 study found that children with ADHD move around a lot because it helps them stay alert enough to complete challenging tasks.[32][33]

kids that want to physically play...learn by doing not by sitting and listening....

Comorbid disorders


Inattention and "hyperactive" behavior are not necessarily the only problems in children with ADHD. ADHD exists alone in only about 1/3 of the children diagnosed with it. The combination of ADHD with other conditions can greatly complicate diagnosis and treatment. Many co-existing conditions require other courses of treatment and should be diagnosed separately instead of being grouped in the ADHD diagnosis.

There is a strong association between persistent bed wetting and ADHD[34] Multiple research studies have also found a significant association between ADHD and language delay.[35] Anxiety and depression are some of the disorders that can accompany ADHD. Academic studies, and research in private practice suggest that depression in ADHD appears to be increasingly prevalent in children as they get older, with a higher rate of increase in girls than in boys, and to vary in prevalence with the subtype of ADHD. Where a mood disorder complicates ADHD, it would be prudent to treat the mood disorder first, but parents of children with ADHD often wish to have the ADHD treated first, because the response to treatment is quicker.[36]

bed wetting...depression...fear...trauma of some kind? or losing something...that spark....not wanting to be put to sleep?

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Some of the associated conditions are:

Oppositional defiant disorder and conduct disorder, which occur with ADHD at a rate of 50 percent and 20 percent respectively,[37] are characterized by antisocial behaviors such as stubbornness, aggression, frequent temper tantrums, deceitfulness, lying, or stealing,[38] inevitably linking these comorbid disorders with antisocial personality disorder (ASPD); about half of those with hyperactivity and ODD or CD develop ASPD in adulthood.[39] However, modern brain imaging technology indicates that conduct disorder and ADHD are two distinct conditions.[40]

negative thoughtforms/archons/parasites coming through that are not yet bound by the rules put in by the controllers of society?

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Borderline personality disorder, which was according to a study on 120 female psychiatric patients diagnosed and treated for BPD associated with ADHD in 70 percent of those cases.[41]
Primary disorder of vigilance, which is characterized by poor attention and concentration, as well as difficulties staying awake. These children tend to fidget, yawn and stretch and appear to be hyperactive in order to remain alert and active.[38]
tired...maybe they want to dream and wander outside and be free again?

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Mood disorders. Boys diagnosed with the combined subtype have been shown likely to suffer from a mood disorder.[42]
Bipolar disorder. Adults with ADHD sometimes have co-morbid bipolar disorder, which requires careful assessment in order to accurately diagnose and treat both conditions.[43]
bipolar disorder....some kind of imbalance between male and female? or some other kind of imbalance...the mind is not just physical...it's thought and energy as well. lithium is the third lightest element and the lightest solid...

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Anxiety disorder, which has been found to be common in girls diagnosed with the inattentive subtype of ADHD.[44]

anxiety...fear...the talk about the distortion of the image of the divine feminine...trauma...

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Obsessive-compulsive disorder. OCD can co-occur with ADHD and shares many of its characteristics.[38]

In adults
Main article: Adult attention deficit hyperactivity disorder

Researchers found that 60 percent of the children diagnosed with ADHD continue having symptoms well into adulthood.[45][46] Many adults, however, remain untreated.[45] Untreated adults with ADHD often have chaotic lifestyles, may appear to be disorganized and may rely on non-prescribed drugs and alcohol to get by.[47] They often have such associated psychiatric comorbidities as depression, anxiety disorder, substance abuse, or a learning disability.[47] A diagnosis of ADHD may offer adults insight into their behaviors and allow patients to become more aware and seek help with coping and treatment strategies.[46] Recognized as occurring in adults in 1978, it is currently not addressed separately from ADHD in childhood. Obstacles that clinicians face when assessing adults who may have ADHD include developmentally inappropriate diagnostic criteria, age-related changes, comorbidities and the possibility that high intelligence or situational factors can mask ADHD.

that sounds like a lot of people out there with problems to me...like the talk of starseeds that found their childhoods too tough....though that's not quite right either i think

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The World Health Organization states that the diagnosis of ADHD can represent family dysfunction or inadequacies in the educational system rather than individual psychopathology.[83] Other researchers believe that relationships with caregivers have a profound effect on attentional and self-regulatory abilities. A study of foster children found that a high number of them had symptoms closely resembling ADHD.[84] Researchers have found behavior typical of ADHD in children who have suffered violence and emotional abuse.[24][85] Furthermore, Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder can result in attention problems that can look like ADHD.[86] ADHD is also considered to be related to sensory integration dysfunction.[87]

A 2010 article by CNN suggests that there is an increased risk for internationally adopted children to develop mental health disorders, such as ADHD and ODD.[88] The risk may be related to the length of time the children spent in an orphanage, especially if they were neglected or abused. Many of these families who adopted the affected children feel overwhelmed and frustrated, since managing their children may entail more responsibilities than originally anticipated. The adoption agencies may be aware of the child's behavioral history, but decide to withhold the information prior to the adoption. This in turn has resulted in some parents suing adoption agencies, in the abuse of children, and even in the relinquishment of the child.

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As ADHD is more common that 1 percent of the population, researchers have proposed that due to the high prevalance of ADHD that natural selection has favoured ADHD possibly due to increased 'reproductive fitness'.[55]

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Twin studies indicate that the disorder is highly heritable and that genetics are a factor in about 75 percent of all cases.[24] Hyperactivity also seems to be primarily a genetic condition; however, other causes have been identified.[49]

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The World Health Organization states that the diagnosis of ADHD can represent family dysfunction or inadequacies in the educational system rather than individual psychopathology.[83] Other researchers believe that relationships with caregivers have a profound effect on attentional and self-regulatory abilities. A study of foster children found that a high number of them had symptoms closely resembling ADHD.[84] Researchers have found behavior typical of ADHD in children who have suffered violence and emotional abuse.[24][85] Furthermore, Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder can result in attention problems that can look like ADHD.[86] ADHD is also considered to be related to sensory integration dysfunction.[87]

foster kids...no love?

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Proponents of the neurodiversity theory assert that atypical (neurodivergent) neurological development is a normal human difference that is to be tolerated and respected just like any other human difference. Social critics argue that while biological factors may play a large role in difficulties with sitting still in class and/or concentrating on schoolwork in some children, these children could have failed to integrate others' social expectations of their behavior for a variety of other reasons.[89] As genetic research into ADHD proceeds, it may become possible to integrate this information with the neurobiology in order to distinguish disability from varieties of normal or even exceptional functioning in people along the same spectrum of attention differences.[90]

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Schizophrenia (/ˌskɪtsɵˈfrɛniə/ or /ˌskɪtsɵˈfriːniə/) is a mental disorder characterized by a breakdown of thought processes and by poor emotional responsiveness.[1] It most commonly manifests itself as auditory hallucinations, paranoid or bizarre delusions, or disorganized speech and thinking, and it is accompanied by significant social or occupational dysfunction. The onset of symptoms typically occurs in young adulthood, with a global lifetime prevalence of about 0.3–0.7%.[2] Diagnosis is based on observed behavior and the patient's reported experiences.

perhaps somehow the veil for them is torn slightly...they wake up and see...but are not ready, and it drives them insane?

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or they simply go and see and don't know and simply see the darker places?

[Silentthinker]

The disorder is thought mainly to affect cognition, but it also usually contributes to chronic problems with behavior and emotion. People with schizophrenia are likely to have additional (comorbid) conditions, including major depression and anxiety disorders; the lifetime occurrence of substance abuse is almost 50%.[5] Social problems, such as long-term unemployment, poverty and homelessness, are common. The average life expectancy of people with the disorder is 12 to 15 years less than those without, the result of increased physical health problems and a higher suicide rate (about 5%).[2]

again they cannot integrate into society...the programming doesn't work right for them...they cannot integrate their experiences with reality because they do not understand what they are seeing and experiencing...a glimpse of non-rational,non-ordinary knowing.

also sorry to post this all in this thread, mods feel free to move it if you wish, i'm just letting my mind make the connections.

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Schizophrenia is often described in terms of positive and negative (or deficit) symptoms.[18] Positive symptoms are those that most individuals do not normally experience but are present in people with schizophrenia. They can include delusions, disordered thoughts and speech, and tactile, auditory, visual, olfactory and gustatory hallucinations, typically regarded as manifestations of psychosis.[19] Hallucinations are also typically related to the content of the delusional theme.[20] Positive symptoms generally respond well to medication.[20] Negative symptoms are deficits of normal emotional responses or of other thought processes, and respond less well to medication.[6] They commonly include flat or blunted affect and emotion, poverty of speech (alogia), inability to experience pleasure (anhedonia), lack of desire to form relationships (asociality), and lack of motivation (avolition). Research suggests that negative symptoms contribute more to poor quality of life, functional disability, and the burden on others than do positive symptoms.[21] People with prominent negative symptoms often have a history of poor adjustment before the onset of illness, and response to medication is often limited.[6][22]

[Silentthinker]

Cannabis is associated with a dose-dependent increase in the risk of developing a psychotic disorder[35] with frequent use being correlated with twice the risk of psychosis and schizophrenia.[34][36] While cannabis use is accepted as a contributory cause of schizophrenia by many,[37] it remains controversial.[25][38] Amphetamine, cocaine, and to a lesser extent alcohol, can result in psychosis that presents very similarly to schizophrenia.[3][39] Although not generally believed to be a cause of the illness, people with schizophrenia use nicotine at much greater rates than the general population.[40]

cannabis i read somewhere on another thread is a substance that allows greater connection to source, a gift from off planet or whatever....too much connection without understanding causing problems again...same thing with psychedelics...maybe that's part of why the 60s failed...too many drugs, opening a door and letting too much in, I was in one town on the west coast, i won't say specifically where, with a hippy neighborhood where all people thought about in a lot of their lives was lust and this desire for true love with incompatible people...like the alien live bite thing sorta, but it was a part of the place, hippy love and the summer of love gone wrong. This place had a local rumour that an insane asylum was closed years back and the patients left on the street, maybe too much insanity in one place, add on all the crazy crusty deadheads in that place, some good some gone mad...like the tale of the island of the lotus eaters in the odyssey...another myth, an archetype, a story. too many psychedelics...

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A number of drugs have been associated with the development of schizophrenia, including cannabis, cocaine, and amphetamines.[3] About half of those with schizophrenia use drugs and/or alcohol excessively.[32] The role of cannabis could be causal,[33] but other drugs may be used only as coping mechanisms to deal with depression, anxiety, boredom, and loneliness.[32][34]

artificial sympathetic resonance to various levels of reality causing issues too?

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Many psychological mechanisms have been implicated in the development and maintenance of schizophrenia. Cognitive biases have been identified in those with the diagnosis or those at risk, especially when under stress or in confusing situations.[42] Some cognitive features may reflect global neurocognitive deficits such as memory loss, while others may be related to particular issues and experiences.[43][44]

Despite a demonstrated appearance of blunted affect, recent findings indicate that many individuals diagnosed with schizophrenia are emotionally responsive, particularly to stressful or negative stimuli, and that such sensitivity may cause vulnerability to symptoms or to the disorder.[45][46] Some evidence suggests that the content of delusional beliefs and psychotic experiences can reflect emotional causes of the disorder, and that how a person interprets such experiences can influence symptomatology.[47][48][49] The use of "safety behaviors" to avoid imagined threats may contribute to the chronicity of delusions.[50] Further evidence for the role of psychological mechanisms comes from the effects of psychotherapies on symptoms of schizophrenia.[51]

bold:too much sensitivity, but focussed on the dark?

underlined:wrong knowing? flawed or different view of reality?

[Silentthinker]

Schizophrenia is associated with subtle differences in brain structures, found in 40 to 50% of cases, and in brain chemistry during acute psychotic states.[2] Studies using neuropsychological tests and brain imaging technologies such as fMRI and PET to examine functional differences in brain activity have shown that differences seem to most commonly occur in the frontal lobes, hippocampus and temporal lobes.[52] Reductions in brain volume, smaller than those found in Alzheimer's disease, have been reported in areas of the frontal cortex and temporal lobes. It is uncertain whether these volumetric changes are progressive or preexist prior to the onset of the disease.[53] These differences have been linked to the neurocognitive deficits often associated with schizophrenia.[54] Because neural circuits are altered, it has alternatively been suggested that schizophrenia should be thought of as a collection of neurodevelopmental disorders.[55]
frontal lobe i think i posted on above already
bold: the areas effected are a part of it, what they effect is the key somehow.
underline:a physical change in the brain structure, related to psychic ability, like autism and add and adhd? the brain is a computer, used by the spirit and the soul. it's like a hologram, effects on a nonphysical level will always be shown in the physical body too, however, without linking the nonphysical/nonrational understanding with the physical/rational/right brained/rational/scientific view i think the true causes can't be seen, so a proper diagnosis can't be made, and a proper treatment or solution to the problems cannot be found. you gotta take the pieces taken apart by science and start putting it back together, with nonrational understanding and that other world mixed in to see the truth of these diseases.

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Particular attention has been paid to the function of dopamine in the mesolimbic pathway of the brain. This focus largely resulted from the accidental finding that phenothiazine drugs, which block dopamine function, could reduce psychotic symptoms. It is also supported by the fact that amphetamines, which trigger the release of dopamine, may exacerbate the psychotic symptoms in schizophrenia.[56] The influential dopamine hypothesis of schizophrenia proposed that excessive activation of D2 receptors was the cause of (the positive symptoms of) schizophrenia. Although postulated for about 20 years based on the D2 blockade effect common to all antipsychotics, it was not until the mid-1990s that PET and SPET imaging studies provided supporting evidence. The dopamine hypothesis is now thought to be simplistic, partly because newer antipsychotic medication (atypical antipsychotic medication) can be just as effective as older medication (typical antipsychotic medication), but also affects serotonin function and may have slightly less of a dopamine blocking effect.[57]

ampethamines again...negative reptilian/archontic sympathetic resonance?

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Interest has also focused on the neurotransmitter glutamate and the reduced function of the NMDA glutamate receptor in schizophrenia, largely because of the abnormally low levels of glutamate receptors found in the postmortem brains of those diagnosed with schizophrenia,[58] and the discovery that glutamate-blocking drugs such as phencyclidine and ketamine can mimic the symptoms and cognitive problems associated with the condition.[59] Reduced glutamate function is linked to poor performance on tests requiring frontal lobe and hippocampal function, and glutamate can affect dopamine function, both of which have been implicated in schizophrenia, have suggested an important mediating (and possibly causal) role of glutamate pathways in the condition.[60] But positive symptoms fail to respond to glutamatergic medication.[61]

these drugs are dissociative anesthetics, they work by seperating the mind from the body....

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Interest has also focused on the neurotransmitter glutamate and the reduced function of the NMDA glutamate receptor in schizophrenia, largely because of the abnormally low levels of glutamate receptors found in the postmortem brains of those diagnosed with schizophrenia,[58] and the discovery that glutamate-blocking drugs such as phencyclidine and ketamine can mimic the symptoms and cognitive problems associated with the condition.[59] Reduced glutamate function is linked to poor performance on tests requiring frontal lobe and hippocampal function, and glutamate can affect dopamine function, both of which have been implicated in schizophrenia, have suggested an important mediating (and possibly causal) role of glutamate pathways in the condition.[60] But positive symptoms fail to respond to glutamatergic medication.[61]

these drugs are dissociative anesthetics, they work by seperating the mind from the body....

[Silentthinker]

According to the revised fourth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV-TR), to be diagnosed with schizophrenia, three diagnostic criteria must be met:[63]

Characteristic symptoms: Two or more of the following, each present for much of the time during a one-month period (or less, if symptoms remitted with treatment).
Delusions
Hallucinations
Disorganized speech, which is a manifestation of formal thought disorder
Grossly disorganized behavior (e.g. dressing inappropriately, crying frequently) or catatonic behavior
Negative symptoms: Blunted affect (lack or decline in emotional response), alogia (lack or decline in speech), or avolition (lack or decline in motivation)

too busy with something on the inside to worry about the otherside, engaged in nonrational thinking...
by nonrational thinking i am referring to the gnostic beliefs...looking outside etc, that nonrational world.
possession or parasitism too perhaps? it's a complex of disorders, not just one, so the causes would be multiple and related not one simple cause.
also refer to the idea that all humans have the potential to be psychic too, and are at a deeply buried level, the intuition they have even if they ignore. They just cannot remember it consiously, it's blocked, disassociated.

[Silentthinker]

If the delusions are judged to be bizarre, or hallucinations consist of hearing one voice participating in a running commentary of the patient's actions or of hearing two or more voices conversing with each other, only that symptom is required above. The speech disorganization criterion is only met if it is severe enough to substantially impair communication.

hearing voices, telepathy, or an entity or something inhabiting within?
Paranoid type: Delusions or auditory hallucinations are present, but thought disorder, disorganized behavior, or affective flattening are not. Delusions are persecutory and/or grandiose, but in addition to these, other themes such as jealousy, religiosity, or somatization may also be present. (DSM code 295.3/ICD code F20.0)

a negative entity?

The prominent characteristics of this form are disorganized behavior and speech, (see formal thought disorder) including schizophasia, and flat or inappropriate emotion and affect. In addition, psychiatrists must rule out any possible sign of catatonic schizophrenia. The condition is also known as hebephrenia, named after the Greek goddess of youth, Hebe, in reference to the typical age of onset in puberty.[3]

Unlike paranoid schizophrenia, delusions and hallucinations are not the most prominent feature,[4][5] although fragmentary delusions and hallucinations may be present.

A person with disorganized schizophrenia may also experience behavioral disorganization which may impair his or her ability to carry out daily activities, such as showering or eating.[6]

The emotional responses of such people often seem strange or inappropriate. Inappropriate facial responses may be common, and behavior is sometimes described as 'silly', such as inappropriate laughter. Sometimes there is a complete lack of emotion, including anhedonia (the lack of pleasure), and avolition (a lack of motivation). Some of these features are also present in other types of schizophrenia, but they are most prominent in disorganized schizophrenia.
seeing or experiencing things at another level? a broken connection to source? something else?

Catatonic type: The subject may be almost immobile or exhibit agitated, purposeless movement. Symptoms can include catatonic stupor and waxy flexibility. (DSM code 295.2/ICD code F20.2)
the spirit is gone?


Undifferentiated type: Psychotic symptoms are present but the criteria for paranoid, disorganized, or catatonic types have not been met. (DSM code 295.9/ICD code F20.3)
Residual type: Where positive symptoms are present at a low intensity only. (DSM code 295.6/ICD code F20.5)
not sure with these two.

Simple schizophrenia: Insidious and progressive development of prominent negative symptoms with no history of psychotic episodes. (ICD code F20.6)
possession again? something slowly taking over?

The primary treatment of schizophrenia is antipsychotic medications, often in combination with psychological and social supports.[2] Hospitalization may occur for severe episodes either voluntarily or (if mental health legislation allows it) involuntarily. Long-term hospitalization is uncommon since deinstitutionalization beginning in the 1950s, although still occurs.[4] Community support services including drop-in centers, visits by members of a community mental health team, supported employment[74] and support groups are common. Some evidence indicates that regular exercise has a positive effect on the physical and mental health of those with schizophrenia.[75]
bold: i refer back to the beginning of my posts, about theta waves and the frequencies of such, look at the frequencies between 6 and 10 hz, and what they do to theta waves, and what they correspond to.

4-6 attitude and behavior change MH
4-7 Theta recall, fantasy, imagery, creativity, planning, dreaming, switching thoughts, Zen meditation, drowsiness.
4 Enkephalins; Extrasensory perception MG
4.9 Theta brain wave
5.0 unusal problem solving x
5.5 Moves beyond knowledge to knowing, shows vision of growth needed
6.0 long term memory stimulation MG
7.0 Mental and astral projection, psychic surgery
7.5 Inter-awareness of self and purpose, guided meditation, creativity, contact with spirit guides; entry into meditation MG
7.83 Earth Resonance, grounding, "Schumann Resonance." x
8-10 learning new information MH
8-13 Alpha relaxed, tranquil and non-drowsy, inward awareness, bodymind
8-14 Qi Gong and infratonic Qi Gong machine QG
8.0 Past life regression x
8.3 Pick up visual images of mental objects
9.0 Awareness of causes of body imbalance and means for balance x
9.41 Pyramid frequency (outside)
9.6 Mean dominant frequency associated with the earth's magnetic field EQ
10 enhanced release of serotonin and mood elevator, universally beneficial, use to try effects of other mixes

Acts as an analgesic, safest frequency, especially for hangover and jet lag.

Meg Patterson used for nicotine withdrawal.

Thus, "theta" can mean either of two things:

A specific type of regular oscillation seen in the hippocampus and several other brain regions connected to it.
EEG oscillations in the 4–7 Hz frequency range, regardless of where in the brain they occur or what their functional significance is.
In contrast to the situation in rats, where long periods of theta oscillations are easily observed using electrodes implanted at many sites, theta has been difficult to pin down in primates, even when intracortical electrodes have been available. Green and Arduini (1954), in their pioneering study of theta rhythms, reported only brief bursts of irregular theta in monkeys. Other investigators have reported similar results, although Stewart and Fox (1991) described a clear 7–9 Hz theta rhythm in the hippocampus of urethane-anesthetized macaques and squirrel monkeys, resembling the type 2 theta observed in urethane-anesthetized rats.

Most of the available information on human hippocampal theta comes from a few small studies of epileptic patients with intracranially implanted electrodes used as part of a treatment plan. In the largest and most systematic of these studies, Cantero et al. (2003) found that oscillations in the 4–7 Hz frequency range could be recorded from both the hippocampus and neocortex. The hippocampal oscillations were associated with REM sleep and the transition from sleep to waking, and came in brief bursts, usually less than a second long. Cortical theta oscillations were observed during the transition from sleep and during quiet wakefulness; however, the authors were unable to find any correlation between hippocampal and cortical theta waves, and concluded that the two processes are probably controlled by independent mechanisms.


Theta-frequency EEG activity is also manifested during some short term memory tasks (Vertes, 2005). Studies suggest that they reflect the "on-line" state of the hippocampus; one of readiness to process incoming signals (Buzsáki, 2002). Conversely, theta oscillations have been correlated to various voluntary behaviors (exploration, spatial navigation, etc.) and alert states (piloerection, etc.) in rats (Vanderwolf, 1969), suggesting that it may reflect the integration of sensory information with motor output (for review, see Bland & Oddie, 2001). A large body of evidence indicates that theta rhythm is likely involved in spatial learning and navigation (Buzsáki, 2005).

Theta rhythms are very strong in rodent hippocampi and entorhinal cortex during learning and memory retrieval, and are believed to be vital to the induction of long-term potentiation, a potential cellular mechanism of learning and memory. Based on evidence from electrophysiological studies showing that both synaptic plasticity and strength of inputs to hippocampal region CA1 vary systematically with ongoing theta oscillations (Hyman et al., 2003; Brankack et al., 1993), it has been suggested that the theta rhythm functions to separate periods of encoding of current sensory stimuli and retrieval of episodic memory cued by current stimuli so as to avoid interference that would occur if encoding and retrieval were simultaneous.

Due to the density of its neural layers, the hippocampus generates some of the largest EEG signals of any brain structure. In some situations the EEG is dominated by regular waves at 4–10 Hz, often continuing for many seconds. This EEG pattern is known as the hippocampal theta rhythm. It has also been called Rhythmic Slow Activity (RSA), to contrast it with the Large Irregular Activity (LIA) that usually dominates the hippocampal EEG when theta is not present.

In rats, hippocampal theta is seen mainly in two conditions: first, when an animal is running, walking, or in some other way actively interacting with its surroundings; second, during REM sleep (Vanderwolf, 1969). The frequency of the theta waves increases as a function of running speed, starting at about 6.5 Hz on the low end, and increasing to about 9 Hz at the fastest running speeds, although higher frequencies are sometimes seen for brief high-velocity movements such as jumps across wide gaps. In larger species of animals, theta frequencies are generally lower. The behavioral dependency also seems to vary by species: in cats and rabbits, theta is often observed during states of motionless alertness. This has been reported for rats as well, but only when they are fearful (Sainsbury et al., 1987).

Theta is not just confined to the hippocampus. In rats, it can be observed in many parts of the brain, including nearly all that interact strongly with the hippocampus. The generation of the rhythm is dependent on the medial septal area: this area projects to all of the regions that show theta rhythmicity, and destruction of it eliminates theta throughout the brain (Stewart & Fox, 1990).


Type 1 and type 2

In 1975 Kramis, Bland, and Vanderwolf proposed that in rats there are two distinct types of hippocampal theta rhythm, with different behavioral and pharmacological properties (Kramis et al., 1975). Type 1 ("atropine resistant") theta, according to them, appears during locomotion and other types of "voluntary" behavior and during REM sleep, has a frequency usually around 8 Hz, and is unaffected by the anticholinergic drug atropine. Type 2 ("atropine sensitive") theta appears during immobility and during anesthesia induced by urethane, has a frequency in the 6–7 Hz range, and is eliminated by administration of atropine. Many later investigations have supported the general concept that hippocampal theta can be divided into two types, although there has been dispute about the precise properties of each type. Type 2 theta is comparatively rare in unanesthetized rats: it may be seen briefly when an animal is preparing to make a movement but hasn't yet executed it, but has only been reported for extended periods in animals that are in a state of frozen immobility because of the nearby presence of a predator such as a cat or ferret (Sainsbury et al., 1987).
Relationship with behavior

Vanderwolf (1969) made a strong argument that the presence of theta in the hippocampal EEG can be predicted on the basis of what an animal is doing, rather than why the animal is doing it. Active movements such as running, jumping, bar-pressing, or exploratory sniffing are reliably associated with theta; inactive states such as eating or grooming are associated with LIA. Later studies showed that theta frequently begins several hundred milliseconds before the onset of movement, and that it is associated with the intention to move rather than with feedback produced by movement (Whishaw & Vanderwolf, 1973). The faster an animal runs, the higher the theta frequency. In rats, the slowest movements give rise to frequencies around 6.5 Hz, the fastest to frequencies around 9 Hz, although faster oscillations can be observed briefly during very vigorous movements such as large jumps.

There is also a distinction between sleep states: REM (dreaming) sleep is associated with theta; slow-wave sleep is associated with LIA.[citation needed]
Mechanisms
spirit in body vs outside wandering?

Numerous studies have shown that the medial septal area plays a central role in generating hippocampal theta (Stewart & Fox, 1990). Lesioning the medial septal area, or inactivating it with drugs, eliminates both type 1 and type 2 theta. Under certain conditions, theta-like oscillations can be induced in hippocampal or entorhinal cells in the absence of septal input, but this does not occur in intact, undrugged adult rats. The critical septal region includes the medial septal nucleus and the vertical limb of the diagonal band of Broca. The lateral septal nucleus, a major recipient of hippocampal output, probably does not play an essential role in generating theta.
removal is like removing connection to source?

The medial septal area projects to a large number of brain regions that show theta modulation, including all parts of the hippocampus as well as the entorhinal cortex, perirhinal cortex, retrosplenial cortex, medial mamillary and supramamillary nuclei of the hypothalamus, anterior nuclei of the thalamus, amygdala, inferior colliculus, and several brainstem nuclei (Buzsáki, 2002). Some of the projections from the medial septal area are cholinergic; the rest are GABAergic. It is commonly argued that cholinergic receptors do not respond rapidly enough to be involved in generating theta waves, and therefore that GABAergic signals must play the central role.

A major research problem has been to discover the "pacemaker" for the theta rhythm, that is, the mechanism that determines the oscillation frequency. The answer is not yet entirely clear, but there is some evidence that type 1 and type 2 theta depend on different pacemakers. For type 2 theta, the supramamillary nucleus of the hypothalamus appears to exert control (Kirk, 1998). For type 1 theta, the picture is still unclear, but the most widely accepted hypothesis proposes that the frequency is determined by a feedback loop involving the medial septal area and hippocampus (Wang, 2002).
what if it's a deeper rhythm instead? a vibration that connects everyone?

Several types of hippocampal and entorhinal neurons are capable of generating theta-frequency membrane potential oscillations when stimulated. Typically these are sodium-dependent voltage-sensitive oscillations in membrane potential at near-action potential voltages (Alonso & Llinás, 1989). Specifically, it appears that in neurons of the CA1 and dentate gyrus, these oscillations result from an interplay of dendritic excitation via a persistent sodium current (INaP) with perisomatic inhibition (Buzsáki, 2002).

also lastly 2 more frequncies just below the bottom of the theta bandwidth:

3.4 Sound sleep
3.5 Feeling of unity with everything, accelerated language retention×; enhancement of receptivity

that's all for now, sorry to repost about theta waves but it's important, i tried to underline/bold/italic important bits, i hope that people can see something in the connections i have made.
it's all in the frequencies though. all the data i posted is from the relevant articles about the topics, i'm sorry not directly link, but i pasted it a bit differently, just the parts that captured my notice.

[AwakeInADream]

This is a great thread!

I've been thinking along similar lines myself, but I have been primarily concerned with music and creating non standard scales based around 432Hz.

Here is a post I made on another thread that is definitely relevant here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13323-Music-as-a-defense-and-facilitator/page12

Have you ever wondered what 'The Sunflowers' by Vincent Van Gogh sounds like?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=18624&thumb=1&d=1350077031

To find out you will need to use this:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=18510&thumb=1&d=1349481459

Because 0Hz isn't a frequency you need to add 360 to all of the degree values so 0 becomes 360 and 360 becomes 720. Then you can view all of the degree's on the colour wheel as frequencies. The colour to note values I got differ from the ones usually used by others, because I started from scratch and did all the maths myself. Getting a correct colour value for a musical frequency is quite tricky, but even if the colours are slightly off, it is the relationships between them that count, and on this you can be accurate.

Using a paint package and colour picker I found the notes of this Van Gogh painting were: C,E,B and D#. Thats like a Cmaj7 chord without the G, but with an added D#.
http://soundcloud.com/awakeinadream-1/sunflowers#play

You can do this to find out what any painting sounds like. You can even reverse this process and find out what a piece of music looks like.

Imagine painting a Motzart! Or playing a Picasso!

Note that using a more detailed and precise colour wheel, you could achieve a very
accurate frequency for each colour. Also experimenting with different equal temperament scale such as 22 notes to the octave or more, you can create music that more accurately reflects the art.

I hope to contribute more to this thread as the subject fascinates me.:)

EDIT:
I'm forgetting how I originally used the colour wheel so I'll have to think out loud here..
To work out a 12 note Equal Temperament scale you times the start note by this number 1.059460923593 to get the next note, and carry on until you reach the octave.

In the case of the colour wheel this number is 360: so these are the 12 note values in degrees...
360.0000 = 1st note
381.4067
404.0863
428.1146
453.5716
480.5423
509.1169
539.3905
571.4644
605.4454
641.4471
679.5895
720.0000 = the octave

minus 360 these values become usable on the wheel:
0.0000 = 1st note
21.4067
44.0863
68.1146
93.5716
120.5423
149.1169
179.3905
211.4644
245.4454
281.4471
319.5895
360.0000 = the octave

These are the traditional values of the colours in Thz:
Colour Thtz
RED 405-480
ORANGE 480-510
YELLOW 510-530
GREEN 530-580
TURQUOISE 580-600
BLUE 600-670
INDIGO 670-700
VIOLET 700-790
VIOLET/RED 790-810

Now to get a frequency like 528Hz into the Theta Hertz range, the hard way would be to double it
loads of times. So instead you can times it by 1.0995116278 to get the value in Thz.(only if the frequency is between 440Hz and 880Hz which you can get by taking the octave up or down)

528Hz x 1.099...= 580.56Thz between Green and Turquoise.

After testing the values for all 12 notes I noticed they wouldn't fit comfortably into the colour wheel, so I concluded that the traditional Thz values (which are pretty vague anyway) must be wrong.

A colour wheel can be proven accurate because mixing of any two opposite/complimentary colours in paint will always give you a neutral grey/black. Therefore the traditional Thz values must be slightly off. So I had to use my best guess to place the notes on the wheel, and that's why it differs from the generally accepted values of note to colour.

So in order to find a specific Hertz frequency value (between 440-880) on this wheel use this formula:
(Frequency between 440 and 880 x 0.818181818181818)-360

528Hz x 0.8181...= 432. 432-360=72. So 528Hz is placed at 72 degrees. So it's really a yellow/orange.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>I Was Completely Wrong<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
<<<<<<<<Please Disregard Most of what is Above>>>>>>>>

This is a much more accurate colour to musical note chart,
based on the correct use of mathematics. Silly me I thought that Thz meant Thetahertz, but it really means Terahertz.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=19083&thumb=1&d=1352025696

All is now well!:o

[AwakeInADream]

Thank's Silentthinker! Very precise frequencies you got there.

I wander if the musical notes of their octaves would have a similar effect?

This would work if the natural harmonics of a particular note flowed downward in frequency, as well as up....There is healing potential there...

EDIT: In fact all of those Theta waves could possibly be activated all at once using specially modulated binaural beats that sweep through the whole range, maybe even hitting those magic spots that haven't yet been discovered, with undreamed of results in consciousness raising and awakening....:cool:

[AwakeInADream]

Thinking about all the specific frequency information on this thread about the links between Colours/Chakras/Body Parts/Planets and things makes me wonder how on earth to practically test such things.

I once made a planetary musical scale using the ratio's between the diameters of the planets in the solar system. Those notes are buried somewhere, I will have to find them.

It seems to me that only the ratios holds true, whilst specific frequencies remain difficult to prove.

An idea to find the Chakras true note values(given modulation/key changes) would be to go by the physical distance between them by ratio. A possible way to test this would be to play a certain sine wave and then close your eyes and feel where about in your body you feel it, and go by trial and error. A psychic/sensitive person would be better to do the testing on this.

I just wish that the websites that give this sort of information would show their reasoning and workings out of how they got their values.

On the main topic of shapes possible frequencies, then maybe these could be worked out using the ratios of the shapes areas or volumes(if 3D). Naturally then a bigger triangle for instance would have a larger frequency, so you couldn't say that all triangles make the same sound/colour. A problem like this requires original thinking, but I do feel that ratio is very important.

Or if you want archetypal shape frequencies of a uniform size, try triangle=3 sides and square = 4 sides. An octave of 3 is 768Hz, and 4 is 512Hz. A 5 sided figure would give 640Hz. This works the same with the shapes constituent parts, i.e 3 dots make a triangle and 4 dots make a square. The circle is problematic because 1 side gives the same octave as 4 which is 512Hz, which means in frequency terms the circle has been squared:confused:.

An interesting thing to note about the 3,4 and 5 sided figure frequencies is that 3,4 and 5 is a Pythagorean triple. And the frequencies obtained from them 768,512 and 640 create a perfect major chord with 512 as the route note.

This is the method for obtaining a Major chord:

512 x 3 = (1536)/2=768.

512 x 5 = ((2560)/2)=640.

So in visual terms a square, a triangle and a pentagon creates a Major chord.

[meeradas]

So in visual terms a square, a triangle and a pentagon creates a Major chord.

Keep going!

Do you know this book (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cosmic-Octave-Harmony-Hans-Cousto/dp/0940795205/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350110313&sr=8-1)?
[Read the first couple of reviews here (http://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/0940795205/ref=cm_cr_dp_syn_footer?k=Cosmic%20Octave%3A%20Origin%20of%20Harmony&showViewpoints=1)to get a glimpse of what's in it]

... and, maybe there's sth (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?2108-Sacred-Solfeggio-Frequencies&highlight=solfeggio) interesting here (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?4063-The-81-Lo-Shu-Tones-within-the-729-Fabric)for ya?

[Conchis]

waaaaayyyyy back in this post was an interesting question related to the role that sound/vibration might play in forming things. I think this is a really interesting idea. I'm a glassblower and as a material it is second to none in strangeness. They are still arguing over the nature of glass. There does seem to be a very interesting thing that happens in glass that is related to vibration/movement at a molecular level with glass that they are just discovering (and it may be related to other things as well of course). Glass never really turns into a solid even as it approaches absolute zero, but they were experimenting with this and they found that at temperatures approaching absolute zero (where theoretically there would be increasingly less molecular movement) shifts at the quantum level melts the glass.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/02/quantum-glass-melting/

It makes you wonder if there isn't yet another "harmonic" that goes from light/sound/molecular/quantum

[AwakeInADream]

So in visual terms a square, a triangle and a pentagon creates a Major chord.

Keep going!

Do you know this book (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cosmic-Octave-Harmony-Hans-Cousto/dp/0940795205/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350110313&sr=8-1)?
[Read the first couple of reviews here (http://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/0940795205/ref=cm_cr_dp_syn_footer?k=Cosmic%20Octave%3A%20Origin%20of%20Harmony&showViewpoints=1)to get a glimpse of what's in it]

... and, maybe there's sth (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?2108-Sacred-Solfeggio-Frequencies&highlight=solfeggio) interesting here (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?4063-The-81-Lo-Shu-Tones-within-the-729-Fabric)for ya?

Thank's Meeradas! There are some pretty familiar numbers in 'The 81 Lo Shu Tones'.

Solfeggio tones I have tested before, not very musical but some of them might be useful (I won't throw the baby out with the bath water just yet).

[AwakeInADream]

Found this link to a free book about harmonic resonance in the brain:
http://cns-alumni.bu.edu/~slehar/HRezBook/HRezBook.html
Looks interesting...

[AwakeInADream]

waaaaayyyyy back in this post was an interesting question related to the role that sound/vibration might play in forming things. I think this is a really interesting idea. I'm a glassblower and as a material it is second to none in strangeness. They are still arguing over the nature of glass. There does seem to be a very interesting thing that happens in glass that is related to vibration/movement at a molecular level with glass that they are just discovering (and it may be related to other things as well of course). Glass never really turns into a solid even as it approaches absolute zero, but they were experimenting with this and they found that at temperatures approaching absolute zero (where theoretically there would be increasingly less molecular movement) shifts at the quantum level melts the glass.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/02/quantum-glass-melting/

It makes you wonder if there isn't yet another "harmonic" that goes from light/sound/molecular/quantum

I think you might be right! The Rife machine affected things on the molecular level using high frequencies of sound.

Given your knowledge of glass, can you answer this question for me.

How is it that a musical note can cause glass to shatter?

[Violet]

Shapes have frequency? Amazing.

[greybeard]

waaaaayyyyy back in this post was an interesting question related to the role that sound/vibration might play in forming things. I think this is a really interesting idea. I'm a glassblower and as a material it is second to none in strangeness. They are still arguing over the nature of glass. There does seem to be a very interesting thing that happens in glass that is related to vibration/movement at a molecular level with glass that they are just discovering (and it may be related to other things as well of course). Glass never really turns into a solid even as it approaches absolute zero, but they were experimenting with this and they found that at temperatures approaching absolute zero (where theoretically there would be increasingly less molecular movement) shifts at the quantum level melts the glass.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/02/quantum-glass-melting/

It makes you wonder if there isn't yet another "harmonic" that goes from light/sound/molecular/quantum

I think you might be right! The Rife machine affected things on the molecular level using high frequencies of sound.

Given your knowledge of glass, can you answer this question for me.

How is it that a musical note can cause glass to shatter?

Quite a bit on the subject in this video.
Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVUU3p5iHMA

[Caren]

Years ago during my baby sister's wedding - her sister in-law sang 'Ave Maria' beautifully but part way through the song her voice shattered a glass candle holder - it just exploded and loudly!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0_HYBCgW9Q&feature=related

[AwakeInADream]

Great video GreyBeard! Cheers!:)

Has anyone here ever tried out Cymatics for themselves?
I'd quite like to give it a go, maybe using a roasting pan, and some salt or flour or something.
It would be cool to do it with powdered paint, and then to fix the pattern to the canvas with water.
I didn't know before that different materials act differently under sound, and thus create different patterns.

[Poly Hedra]

This is a blog talking about how sacred geometry and the sounds created by the geometric shapes are used in sound healing.
http://http://landsofwisdom.com/?p=67

[AwakeInADream]

This is a blog talking about how sacred geometry and the sounds created by the geometric shapes are used in sound healing.
http://http://landsofwisdom.com/?p=67

Hey Conec!:)

That blog link isn't working for me. Can you re-post it?

EDIT: http://landsofwisdom.com/?p=67
The link's look identical, but this one works in my browser and the other doesn't. Odd.

[Poly Hedra]

Just bought this book, can't wait to get my grubby little hands on it. Glee is the word that comes to mind

Jon Allen: Making Geometry: Exploring Three Dimensional Forms

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Making-Geometry-Exploring-Three-dimensional-Forms/dp/0863159141/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1369354884&sr=8-2&keywords=Jon+Allen+geometry

"Following on from his successful Drawing Geometry, Jon Allen explores the creation of the many-sided three-dimensional forms known as the Platonic and Archimedean solids. Based on patterns of equally spaced points on a sphere, these polyhedra have been the fundamentals of geometric exploration for millennia. Many professionals find they need to be able to build three-dimensional shapes accurately, and understand the principles behind them. This unique book shows them how to make models of all the Platonic and Archimedean solids, as well as several other polyhedra and stellated forms. It provides step-by-step instructions for constructing the three-dimensional forms, as well as showing how to draw out accurately the geometry of the paperfold nets. Beginners and experienced artists and designers alike will find this book a source of practical guidance, as well as delight and inspiration which will amply repay the careful attention needed to construct the models."

[Poly Hedra]

This just blows my mind, it kind of defines my whole idea for this thread and where I was going with it.

KU84ckD1AcA

Also, AwakeInADream, maybe this is what your looking for in regards to making your own tonoscope? Possibly.

Also Here is a free android app called: Penelope free audio processor
It's a tonoscope app. It's the only one on google play.

I've been reading through this whole thread again realising how much there is to learn and research. Fantastic info from everyone. Tangents upon tangents.