Perspectives on the mind virus, booby traps and other fun stuff.

[songsfortheotherkind]

This thread was inspired in part by a PM I got asking about booby traps, a comment from Paul in another thread that really resonated with me, and a desire to create a platform of perspective for some of the patrons of a local establishment. As soon as I can figure out how to link directly to posts rather than just the thread, I'll do that. :)

Here's the quote from Paul:


Individually, when we're in our "me good, that bad" projection of the unintegrated darkness within us onto outer surfaces, rudeness is just one common mannerism, an individual choice that others can reasonably choose to pay no mind (and that forum mods can reasonably choose to prune back to some degree.)

But in the field that all our spirits form by their participation, we, the humans on this planet, are struggling with a virus, and we can help each other notice that virus. The necessary first step in a working immune system, which our shared field will require to keep that virus at bay, is a shared ability to identify that virus.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42628-AVALON-forever------Another-what-s-wrong-with-this-forum-rant-&p=451200&viewfull=1#post451200

Here's part of my response


*nodding nodding nodding* yes, that is it exactly, though as the Being that I am I don't limit it to 'humans'. Part of my purpose and intent from childhood was to discover the interconnecting elements that allowed the platform of planetary psychosis to run- I taught myself to read at age three because I wanted to discover and comprehend what this oily blackness I saw moving around almost every Being I looked at was. I was looking for a way to undo the entire mechanism, not pull off leaves at a time- like that one perfect block in Jenga. :D I'm a hacker, I'm always looking for the most efficient way to do something. *laughing* I want to experience the post-Virus/Empire world, and I figured out that this wasn't going to happen until I could do something about the virus itself. I've been occupied with that on an etheric level for a looooong time, and recently I was told to do something more 'here' with what I know- and 'here' I am.

Paul also mentioned the wetiko sickness concept and I replied in that post to this also.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42628-AVALON-forever------Another-what-s-wrong-with-this-forum-rant-&p=451315&viewfull=1#post451315

I have made rather a large post this morning regarding how the virus has played out in my life-

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42360-Welcome-to-The-Pub-At-the-End-of-the-Universe.&p=451903&viewfull=1#post451903

so it's with the above background in mind that I'm making this post.

Here is how I view my approach to the virus: there can be zero tolerance for its manifestations, to the very best of my ability. I am aware of the infectious nature of the virus, how easily it can flourish in even the most barren looking of places; I'm conscious of it's ability to chameleon, morph, disguise and contort itself into endless echoes of itself, I've learned to recognise the foundational signals of the virus itself and so have extra tools at my disposal than I had in earlier years.

One of the most simple and elegant tools for detecting the virus at work is this: holding up a concept, idea, philosophy, way of Being, belief, action or any other aspect, and asking "Is there any way that Empire could be founded, resurrected, or reseeded, from thinking/feeling/doing/supporting this particular action, belief or paradigm?

I use Empire to describe the system of domination, control, suppression, manipulation, destruction and all the tools that have been used to achieve these things- religious philosophies based on hierarchy, the concept that we are inferior to some 'other' (in whatever form that inferiority expresses itself), the requirements of giving away our internal intuition and knowing to some external 'authority'; the religion of science, that has systematically 'scientifically' categorised, homogenised, diminished, divided and separated that which always ever has been whole; the tools of controlled media, education, 'healthcare'- Empire is the system that has been created to serve the purpose of enslaving, diminishing, constricting and feeding off those that it considers cattle.

The 'cattle' have been active participants in this process. This is not an 'us and them' perspective, because to me the virus emerged from the fertile soil of desiring less personal responsibility; it's an eons long story of many different Beings striving to bring about the possibility of personal evolution rather than the willingness to be enslaved if it meant not having to take responsibility. That deal has gone stale, the contract is being torn up as unconscionable, the virus is being actively challenged. Which returns me to this point: I personally will not allow the virus to thrive in me unchallenged. I look at every action I can possibly examine, with as much consciousness as I can bring to the moment, with the question 'does this vibration carry the seeds of Empire?'.

My understanding is simple- it's like any virus or parasite; if one doesn't get rid of it completely, it's going to learn, morph and adapt to the resistance our emotional and energetic immune system has shown. Is this so surprising, when in the physical realm the increasing appearance of antibiotic resistant bugs are beginning to cause real concern? If a single celled organism like a virus can learn, why is it so gobsmacking to think that the mind virus has been doing the same?

Of course it has. That's why no REVolution works- there's momentary upheaval with the initial immune system response of the planetary (or local) consciousness and the virus is caught on the back foot (think the 60s hippie movement and its initial refusal to engage in violence, something the system had no way of absorbing), then the virus explores the new territory, finds the weak points, slides between the cracks, filters the new information back to the physical elements of its expressions (the governmental bodies, the research labs, all the places that people often post about here in the forum) and new and improved viral mechanisms appear as a result. There is a pattern of constant absorption, homogenising of thought, action, the puppetry of the manipulated minds parping away at one another and calling it 'innovation' or 'communication'- every ripple drawn back down below the deceptive smoothness of the water.

The infected mind cannot tell it is infected. There needs to be other points from which to detect the manifestations. That's why so many volunteered to come here and hold the space, even though they knew it was going to be hell on a stick; that's why the immune system response of those with Aspergers, the milder versions of which create Beings immune to the social and interpersonal programming vital to keeping the memes alive; there has been a global upsurge in the birth of children holding the non-virus frequency, the so-called Indigos and Crystal, Rainbow children, the spontaneous clicks of awakening in some individuals who carried Neo's 'splinter of the mind' and couldn't let it go.

Naturally the virus has responded; the hijacking of the Indigo et al phenomenon by the religionists and those who assert that such children have come to 'save everyone', including Gaia- the subtle expressions that contain the poisonous ideas that our 'salvation' is both necessary *and* must come from outside us. The hippie movement was subsumed into financial portfolio concerns, anxiety about AIDS, self interest; other movements have risen and fallen, gradually ensnared back into the lull of the energy that is contained in the language the virus speaks.

Language is paramount to the successful seeding of the virus. Paying no attention to what one is actually saying is one of the things that the virus works through; there has been a forgetting of the power and energy contained in words and both Empire and the virus have been working overtime to make sure that information stayed private. It's because of this knowing in me that I'm watchful of what is *said* in threads, how particular individuals can turn a conversation into an energetic cul-de-sac without any overt intention to do so; their language carries with it a heaviness that is difficult to put one's finger on but the effects of which can readily been seen time and time again. It's one of the reasons I ask sometimes, 'what was your purpose and intent in making that statement?': the virus requires invisibility, unconsciousness and robotic parroting in order to both seed AND feed, so becoming more curious and mindful about intention and purpose is one of the beginning tools for consciously dissolving it.

We can choose to be the mirrors for each other at this time if we want to turn and face the virus down within, which is the place that it really operates from: millions and millions of individuals being led around by the nose by their own personal, specially tailored version of the mind virus, blindsided and blinkered with programming and toxic illusion. As a community there is a lot said on this forum regarding those 'out there' who are just 'programmed robots' doing what they are told and I'd like to offer this: it's the same in here, just on a different level.

That's how booby traps work- they're set to different blind spots and bog holes, different frequencies, just like addictions: I got so bored as a child listening to individuals bang on derisively about those they would call 'useless junkies', all the while chain smoking, drinking endless cups of coffee that they 'couldn't live without', relationship, work, tv, food addicted, unable to see the virus in its facehugger form wrapped around their heads, feeding and seeding with every word. I observe the same thing on this forum, on any forum, in any environment- always the virus, shifting and moving about, sliding and slitherin through the words, the actions, the ideas.

So, for those that are up for tackling the virus together, I'll recap my personal perspective and tools:

1. I look at the energy, intention, purpose behind an idea, communication, belief etc and ask 'Does this hold the seeds of Empire if this is given any life force to support it?' I look at the frequency from its faintest to its strongest expressions- intolerance, for instance, always has at the extreme end of the scale such fruit as domination, subjugation, war, murder, massacre; given that it bears rotten progeny, why would any evolved species be interested in supporting its energy, no matter how faint or mild the expression?

Any expression that contains the spores of viral thinking will always lead to the virus rising up again and rebirthing Empire if left unchecked . It is a carrier signal designed to find the right host- I may not be susceptible to the particular viral frequency our words are seeding into the air, but the individual sitting in the seat next to those words and frequency just might be the perfect vessel the virus has been seeking. If personal responsibility is the goal then am I not individually responsible for the psychic and psychological pathogens I'm coughing out over others, word by word, unconscious parroted program by unconscious parroted program? If there was a pandemic, wouldn't I be wearing a mask, to both prevent catching and spreading the disease? With the level of awareness and consciousness we've been granted compared to the average sleepwalkers on the planet, am I not called even more so to prevent the constant seeding of the paradigm that is at the heart of pretty much everything that is ailing us?

Non-violent communication is a brilliant tool for learning 'I' based language and keeping the virus contained. I suggest that any group seeking to evolve an encompassing and embracive Sui Generis language could begin here as a foundational platform for communicating with and perceiving others as whole, complete and Sui Generis in their Being.

Booby traps are designed to match particular weaknesses to low vibration frequency beliefs within the individual. That's a simple way of putting something that is actually quite intricate, because it's all about the internal landscape of the individual Being. Booby traps are like everything else, they have a Janus face and it depends on which way one chooses to look at things that they are either an effective tool of the virus OR they're an effective tool of the Mirror effect. What is it in the message/action of the booby trap that is getting to us? If we embrace the core of the trap as being a reflection of our Self, then we find our Self eventually standing there either with a key in our hand or (and this is what I discover) to find that there was never anything there anyway that wasn't being generated by some unclaimed element of my own fractured Self. Reclaiming those parts of our dissociated/disowned Self undoes the power of the virus in us because we're no longer susceptible to the carrot, the trigger. We can move through the landscape and the trashpiles remain trash, not a bedroom filled with stuffed toys in which to get lost, or a pit in which to believe we are trapped.

The book The Dark Side of the Light Chasers was one of the first to discuss this and it still a good place for someone new at this start. Others will no doubt post other practical recommendations.

Be open to the feedback of others that you have experienced to be sincere and honest about their purpose and intent . Be prepared to check *everything*, quarantine *anything* that looks suss, until it is clear that it doesn't carry the virus. If there are elements that are virus free caught up in the viral infection, be prepared to do some delicate and focused work- that's how the virus works some of its confusions, by wrapping positive concepts up in crap ones and relying on individual's being unprepared to work at the process of separating them back out. The virus has had a looooooooong time to get its act down, so why be surprised that it's going to take energy and conscious attention to get clear of it? It's a process that is going to happen anyway, so like birthing, we can either embrace it as the amazing process it is, or we can scream for the 'interventions' and get what happens as a result.

There is a lot more to say about this, which will hopefully unfold and be taken up by others. Right now my arms are about to drop off and my eyeballs fall out of my head, so I'm going to leave it here for now. :) Let's see what we can co-create together in terms of response to the virus.

[MargueriteBee]

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=12nDIgzcUxY

This is a video with Robert Stanley talking about what he calls the archons. Is this what you are talking about?

I started observing my thoughts and realized that alot are not my own. Any ugly, nasty thought, even pictures in my mind, are not my own. Then I started shining a light on them, in my head, and they are less and less. Blessed peace of mind. I reconize them more quickly and nip them in the bud, even in the midst of the the fire. Now they are less and less but I am ever watchful.

[songsfortheotherkind]

This is a video with Robert Stanley talking about what he calls the archons. Is this what you are talking about?

The simple answer to this is that it is/is not. The virus appears to each individual in whatever form is going to be most successful in achieving the purpose and intent of the virus, which is to enslave and cripple that particular individual. So, some individuals are susceptible to religious ideas (devils, demons, angry gods, karma etc), some are undone by social pressures, emotional blackmail, psychological trauma- the list of tools at its disposal is pretty huge.

I can only answer the archon question from a personal and Otherkind history perspective, which is this: the virus currently encapsulates the entire physical Avatar of Gaia, which we experience as a planet. This virus has been contained here, with the specific intent of not allowing the effects to spread. Quarantine. Everything that is 'known' here, unless vigorously challenged, is coming through the filter of the rampant virus mechanism. For me this goes for ALL the expressions of such things as gods, religions, dogmas, paradigms, ETs or NTIs, spirit Beings, hierarchies of 'angels', 'ascended masters' or *any* system that speaks in hierarchies, saviours, politics, terran educational systems, archons, whatever- the first thing I've ever come across that has sounded anything like the language I speak has been the Wingmakers, which I had never heard of until a gentle Avalonian suggested that some of my writing sounded like Wingmaker language and pointed me at the old website. Personally, almost everything else I have ever come across carries the viral infection of hierarchies, implications of 'superior' external Beings that are manipulating events or whatever, the suggestion that there are 'levels' of this or that to be achieved, the Lightworker concept of 'battling the forces of darkness' etc etc etc.

I did that too; I got caught up in those ideas because I forgot for awhile what it is that I'm really good at and what works. I discovered that yes, I'm pretty handy with double swords *and* they're a complete trap. War breeds war, resistance breeds resistance, conflict breeds conflict because the actions themselves carry the seeds. Always.

What is purported to be 'how the universe works' in terms of such concepts as Galactic 'Federations', organisations, hierarchies, fleets, gaggles, hordes, organised rabble etc etc are complete fictions in my 'Verse, nothing more than manipulations of the virus. NONE of the Beings that I know from out there do that stuff. Ever. Why would Beings of ANY significant development of spiritual, emotional, physical, psychological evolution do HIERARCHIES? Here's how I see it- I'm here on this realm, physically unremarkable, not superpowered, intelligent but not the Greatest Mind in All Creation, etc etc, and this singularity Being *gets* Sui Generis. I get it, I grokk the concept of it absolutely and I'm *living in to it*. Now, is anyone seriously going to suggest to me that me, the weird hybrid non-human with the broken body and the glitteringly sharded mind can grasp a concept like this *but the Beings who are claiming to be 'guiding humanity' etc haven't been able to get their minds around it? Haven't been able to move *beyond* hierarchy? Haven't even been able to pass on any juicy clues about how it might be achieved?*

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Uh, no. Either the universe is populated by Incredible Dumb, in which case I'm glad I set the Pub up in an alternative dimension OR it's all just virus noise. *shrugs* It's simple to me- *does this idea/paradigm/message/belief/whatever contain the seeds of Mindvirus/Empire?* yes/no. If yes, it gets the boot. Hierarchies tick the 'yes' box. They get the boot. Any message that is pimping hierarchies, no matter how lofty they might be framed, are pimping the virus. They get the boot. The hierarchies behind such messages are either consciously pimping the virus, in which case *boot*, or their message is being massively distorted either coming in, or by the unchallenged virus within the receiver, in which case they need to get better transmission devices or level up their contacts considerably. If they *are* genuine, they'll be able to do that, but then they would have done that with the first major cockup (for visitors from the Pub, think 'ropture') and done something about it. This hasn't been the case. So I'm *meh* about all that, to me (and to my Otherkind/starguide family there has always been a consistent shrugging of shoulders about it- the virus being the virus, who knew? kind of thing and we'd all move on to something else more interesting).

Before this is leapt upon, I am NOT knocking channeling per se, because in the strictest sense of the term I do it almost all the time, in my personal relationships with Beings 'not here' in a multitude of ways (time/space/dimension/label label concept)- and these Beings are not calling themselves increasingly more grand names, are not scrambling over one another in the top-o-the-pile hierarchy stakes, have no aspirations to Yurtle The Turtle Oh Marvellous Me and are quite good at making really rude jokes about all that activity at times. I *have* met Creators, I am in increasingly wondrous connection to mine (and yes that is in the plural), I have also been in the presence of Creators of Creators, it's like an infinite set of Prussian dolls, really- none of the ones I have met have had the *slightest* interest in Yurtle the Turtle/bow down to me, *I* am the ALmightee whatever. So that's my 'Verse- Creators in the plural, no gods, no hierarchies, no saviours, no minions, just a vast array of Sui Generis Beings doing their thing and celebrating the process of co-creative evolution in whatever way that shows up.

Everything else is mind virus illusion.

[another bob]

excerpted from:

CoEVOLUTION: An Interplanetary Adventure

New Zealander Alec Newald claims that in 1989 he was abducted for 10 days by a group of benevolent aliens and transported to their home planet. His amazing experiences have great significance for the future of humanity and our galactic cousins.
Alec Newald first contacted us in 1995 about publishing his book, CoEvolution, describing his 10-day round trip to his abductors' homeworld, Haven, and the Earth-based controversy it created. Here we publish some intriguing excerpts from his book. – Editor, Nexus Magazine


"There was indeed a time upon your planet, not so long ago in the context of this history lesson, when a 'force' came down upon it and did in fact claim it [the Earth] and all upon it as its own. That force—and I know you will find this difficult to accept, Alec [Zeena used my name for the first time]—that force is still among you. It is indeed now a part of all of you, so I suppose you could say it still does own the planet in some way.

"After this force won your planet, it realised it would have a continuous fight on its hands, for you were not as you are now. You were well on your way to enlightenment, with a very strong spiritual base. You were actually almost as strong as this force itself. It had to trick you in order to master you, and while you were down it altered your make-up, your very structure; your DNA, in fact. It crippled you and stunted you, and set you back many thousands of years. It made you into what you are today, which is only a portion of the greatness you can be, for you have not yet even fully recovered. And if that force has its way, you never will!

"That force is known to most as the 'force of darkness', for it is indeed the enemy of enlightenment. You will please understand that this is a very simplistic description of a most complex entity. Even we do not understand it in its entirety. It is in the air that you breathe and everywhere about you. It has aligned itself to the planet and you. It beats to the pulse of your very planet, for you and the Earth are one and the same. This is one thing your peoples do not seem to comprehend, but you can use this union of the whole to do wondrous things, just as we have.

"Unfortunately, most of your kind fight the natural forces of your wondrous planet. By this I mean you bend them, even break them, to fit your needs. It need not be this way. If your people will just open their minds and hearts to your planet, as many of your ancient races have done in the past, it will show you the way. All is not lost; it just needs to be recalled. Until this is done, we have much need for concern. It is not just Earth planet you are violating as you bend and break Nature in your whims of fancy, for all of all is connected. This is really very basic knowledge. It has been ignored because it suits those who would play with power to ignore it. We and others are indeed benevolent to your race, as we all are connected, but soon something must be done before your play does meaningful harm to us all!

"We find that there is a need to teach you more about the dark forces that permeate you. You would do well by your people if you take great heed of this lesson and pass on your findings to those of your kind who would listen. The dark force vibrates at a level that is compatible with your brainwave patterns. This much you should already know, but others of your kind have kept it from you.

"In spite of this, some, like you, Alec, are building a resistance to this alien intruder. This is one of the reasons why you find yourself thinking differently from the majority around you. It has enabled you to see more clearly the error of your ways and what must be done. You shall continue along this path a while longer yet, and even doubt your own kind from time to time. Be patient. This is all I can suggest, as inadequate as it may sound. We have been working on these things with you for many a year now. All of your people will find their way with the passing of time.

"As you find with all afflictions, they are easier to contend with if you understand them. I am doing my best to explain all this to you in terms you will understand. Please interject from here on if you do not understand some point, for we do consider the following to be most important.

"Some on your planet have aligned themselves with this 'force'. Note I have said 'aligned' and not 'allied', for there is a difference. Do you understand this? [I nodded.] They have gained much power from the force, and some are even foolish enough to think they have it under control. This is naïve, of course, as the force or alien entity is feeding off these people or, rather, feeding off the conflicts these people create in their bid for wealth and power. As long as this suits the dark force, it shall continue; for the 'fear' emotion is what it lives off.

"The easiest way to defeat this force is to remove fear from your societies. This will, in effect, starve it out. It will then go elsewhere, looking for easier prey. You see, your human race is one of the very few that lives with this most unusual thing called 'emotion', which is why the force came here in the first place. We, too, had emotions once, so I am told, and some are saying we can now experience them again, thanks to the new breeding program we are experimenting with. Forgive me, I digress again.

"You will find some of your kind are trying very hard to harness this most dangerous force. Unfortunately, they do not fully understand that it is an entity in its own right and that this is a very dangerous mistake to be making. They think they are playing a game and that they are winning this game. We have tried to warn your people more than once in the past, but no heed has been taken. As your people say, 'it is your life'.

"The worry we have is that your planet breathes with you, in harmony even with your thoughts. To attack the people by using the force in this way is to attack the planet. Be it on your own heads if you invoke the wrath of your planet. There would be little or nothing we could do for your people should that happen. Perhaps you can help us with this message. We have an idea to put to you, but that shall keep until another time, for there is still much to be related on other subjects.

"Your societies, right from the very beginning, have engineered fear into your lives. Most of it is an artificial fear of society itself; in other words, you fear your very own laws. Your high priests from long ago shouted down to the common masses, describing what wraths would be set upon them if they did so much as dare to cross the all-mighty gods of their time. Forgive me if I make what you call a 'joke' of this, for these all-mighty gods they describe were people like me or the Guardian, whom you have met. Do you fear me, Alec, from where you stand?" Zeena asked.

"I feel no fear," was my answer.
"So you see how your masses were manipulated in our absence by those who would gain from it?" she asked again.
"I can see how a lie could fool the uneducated," was my reply.
"And you think your people are better educated on this subject today?" she asked once more.
"If you ask what we know of God, then perhaps not," I replied.
"Exactly my point," Zeena stated. "And so the intimidation goes on, only you have a hundredfold the number of laws today. These are not the laws of Nature, however; just of your manipulators who in turn have been manipulated by the force.
"The laws of Nature you break every day as you drive to work in your disgusting machines. It is even more curious to us that you all know these things but you continue to allow them just the same. Why is there not a law against it in your society? Does pollution not kill? Are your people so blind they could not see what would happen with the proliferation of these strange machines? You need not answer, for we know the reasons. This is just, as you might say, an example.

"You will perhaps tolerate our confusion, though, when we fail to understand what we have observed in your so-called Western societies in which thousands of your money are spent to save but one life, while millions of your kind die in other far areas for the sake of small amounts of this money. Are you not all one people of the same flesh and blood? For this question, we ourselves do not have such an answer. Could you perhaps help us in the reasoning of this?" Zeena asked, looking at me in a most perplexed way.

"My own people sometimes embarrass and confuse me. No, I have no answer to that question," I replied.
"Very well. Why do your people take such time and interest in a single tree, should it be cut down in your cities, while they allow large areas of many-years-old trees to be removed from the forests which are out of their sight? Please take this question home with you to put to others, for we also find this most confusing."


:yo:

[Dennis Leahy]

Placing a bookmark right here. Very interesting topic. I'll be back "in a few days."

Dennis

[songsfortheotherkind]

excerpted from:

CoEVOLUTION: An Interplanetary Adventure

"There was indeed a time upon your planet, not so long ago in the context of this history lesson, when a 'force' came down upon it and did in fact claim it [the Earth] and all upon it as its own. That force—and I know you will find this difficult to accept, Alec [Zeena used my name for the first time]—that force is still among you. It is indeed now a part of all of you, so I suppose you could say it still does own the planet in some way. ... "My own people sometimes embarrass and confuse me. No, I have no answer to that question," I replied."Very well. Why do your people take such time and interest in a single tree, should it be cut down in your cities, while they allow large areas of many-years-old trees to be removed from the forests which are out of their sight? Please take this question home with you to put to others, for we also find this most confusing."

:yo:

Yes, something like that. A little different in the history from a hybrid's perspective, of course.. *smiling*

Thankyou for posting that. :)

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Placing a bookmark right here. Very interesting topic. I'll be back "in a few days."

Dennis

I am looking forward to that. :)

[gripreaper]

Another way of saying "the Empire" or hierarchical structure get's tossed out, is to say: Anything which does not align in harmony with nature, is false.

And that brings us back to the original stealth and manipulation from outside, which we can discuss. This infiltration changed the basic structure of humanity, hybridized it and took it out of balance with nature. The idea of a fear based paradigm as opposed to one of love and harmony with nature, is the very hierarchical empire songsfortheotherkinds speaks of.

I would posit that most who would be interested in this thread, have taken a pretty good look at the beast, both internally and externally, and realize that this phenomenon and manifestation is imbedded in our very DNA and is difficult to extract.

We have the advantage of a body (the BA) which can "emote" as well as a soul, which can gather, focus, and intention life force energy through the etheric double known as the KA body, and we have the inertia of the matrix to create such change. The MerKaBa. This is the context and the filter from which to move forward, and I'm excited to be a part of this thread.

[MargueriteBee]

Definately alot to contemplate here. Your description of the mind virus opens my perception of what this thing is. Thank you.

[sunnyrap]

Another way of saying "the Empire" or hierarchical structure get's tossed out, is to say: Anything which does not align in harmony with nature, is false.

And that brings us back to the original stealth and manipulation from outside, which we can discuss. This infiltration changed the basic structure of humanity, hybridized it and took it out of balance with nature. The idea of a fear based paradigm as opposed to one of love and harmony with nature, is the very hierarchical empire songsfortheotherkinds speaks of.

I would posit that most who would be interested in this thread, have taken a pretty good look at the beast, both internally and externally, and realize that this phenomenon and manifestation is imbedded in our very DNA and is difficult to extract.

We have the advantage of a body (the BA) which can "emote" as well as a soul, which can gather, focus, and intention life force energy through the etheric double known as the KA body, and we have the inertia of the matrix to create such change. The MerKaBa. This is the context and the filter from which to move forward, and I'm excited to be a part of this thread.

I second that. I posit the old concept of the 'devil on one shoulder and the angel on the other' is a construct of our innate sense of this. I've been recently pondering the concept of integrating Iill say 'the useful' aspects of that which we have such a strong urge to fight, thereby not resisting but in fact including and debilitating the power of that which would otherwise control us. I meditate on whether one could use the behaviors/techniques of the ptb while maintaining a strong intention to serve the highest good of all. Reconciling opposites. The ultimate question would be: how can this 'darkness', this 'virus' actually serve us all? What would make us LOVE it?

[songsfortheotherkind]

Another way of saying "the Empire" or hierarchical structure get's tossed out, is to say: Anything which does not align in harmony with nature, is false.

mmm /headtilt/ It is argued in certain circles that 'survival of the fittest' is in harmony with nature; this is how elements of the distorted 'theory of evolution' has been put forward as explanation of the tendency towards domination, control, extermination of 'other'- chimps are touted as the closest biologically to 'humans', they are 'nature'- they are also known cannibals, killers of the young, and brutal. Rape is common in that species.

Hmm. So perhaps 'nature' isn't the word we are looking for? I would suggest that, for sentient creatures capable of such considerations, moving the marker up a notch or squillion is better than using a simpler yardstick, or at least having a global agreement on what 'nature' means, which at this point isn't likely. This is why I refer to Universal principles, primarily the 'do no harm' because even 'treat others as you would be treated' doesn't work- some individuals enjoy giving and receiving pain and in a species that likes to aim for the lowest common denominator as it's baseline rationalisation point, it's not a principle that I've found works well in practice. So for me, Sui Generis and 'do no harm' are two solid, understandable concepts that can be used as a foundation for a way of Being that we are only just uncovering the practicalities of.

I'm into practicalities, even when it comes to esoteric principles, even if those practicalities only are relevant in the beginners phase; what I am interested in primarily is a foundational practice that can be applied across every permutation of Singularity, that can be understood by novice and seasoned practitioner alike, that is simple in foundation and complex in practice (constant evolution rather than a closed system), that do not need a 'belief' system in order to practice. Neither Sui Generis or tackling the mind virus requires a belief system: they are stand alone principles that can be *turned* within the foundations of many belief systems and still work for the individual and they are not reliant on these belief systems to function. This to me is a solid platform for beginning.

Sui Generis is a readily demonstrable concept: as Dr Bruce Lipton and medical science has demonstrated, we are *unique Beings * genetically. Even the organs of twins, if one donates to the other, will be rejected by the recipient's immune system no matter how genetically close the match is, because they are NOT identical- they're just very very very alike. So no two Beings are the same. Sui Generis: unique. From this point it's simply a matter of upscaling the concepts through the levels of consciousness and experience, finding new ways of Being with one another that embrace this awareness. No agreement on any other level is required- I'm unique, you are unique, everything else is discovery of singularity expression as it manifests in each of us.

The foundation of 'do no harm' means that Beings can learn to be confident in the expression of their unique Self because there is a platform of non-violence and personal responsibility that frees the individual from the pain of psychotic social and interpersonal weirdness, for starters, and that's just one of the benefits of being part of a community of individuals that takes balances 'do no harm' with respecting Sui Generis; this means that using 'do no harm' as a weapon is removed, so the principle cannot be used to enforce an individual's own dodgy by crying 'you're harming me!' when another Beings actions don't suit their agenda. I've had 'love' and 'respect' and 'caring is sharing' used as a weapon against me enough in my own life to know a dodgy mechanism when I see it. :)


And that brings us back to the original stealth and manipulation from outside, which we can discuss. This infiltration changed the basic structure of humanity, hybridized it and took it out of balance with nature.

With respect, this might be your experience *and* it's not mine. I don't know if you've read much of my other writing here, so I understand that you may not have picked this up, but I do not and never have identified as human; I identify as a hybrid non-human of Otherkind/starkind origin, and I personally don't have the historical perspective of homo sapiens being anything other than a lab created species. There is a whole history that I was born with, which over the years has emerged in parts through various writers and others; if there is ever an interest in my personal understanding then I'll be happy to share that*and* I don't feel that it is necessary to have agreement about such things for Sui Generis and 'do no harm' to work well. What I do experience is that individuals can benefit in progressing with each other if no assumptions about history, experience of Beingness, shared anything at
all are made. What is true for you is perfect for your evolution, what is true for me is mine, and that's all it is. :)


The idea of a fear based paradigm as opposed to one of love and harmony with nature, is the very hierarchical empire songsfortheotherkinds speaks of. Fear is part of the tool *and* it's not the virus. This is an important distinction. Also, using words like 'love' and 'harmony with nature'- what do these terms mean? To you they carry an interpretation that may be vastly different from the next individual, so part of learning how to communicate in a non-virus carrying way, I have observed, is to keep the context to *I*, to keep the whole of one's perspective in the subjective and singular, making no assumptions about anything anyone else is interpreting. 'This is how I experience this thing' is far more co-creative than 'here's how we all experience it' which simply creates the need for a lot of clarification and sometimes rebuttal. It's why I endeavour to be so careful in reiterating that *my* perspective is only and ever that- my own. What I call 'globalising', the taking of an idea, concept, belief etc, and painting it across a group of individuals by presumption, is so rarely helpful as to be usefully put aside as nonviable.


I would posit that most who would be interested in this thread, have taken a pretty good look at the beast, both internally and externally, and realize that this phenomenon and manifestation is imbedded in our very DNA and is difficult to extract. *pointing to Self* Not human. Actively triggering on a daily basis the non-human elements of my DNA. I'm not talking about extraction, I'm talking about embracing, dissolving, cancelling out by understanding the mechanisms *within us as individuals* that give the virus ground. This is all about personal responsibility and understanding the enormous power that abides at the core of coherent Self. :)


We have the advantage of a body (the BA) which can "emote" as well as a soul, which can gather, focus, and intention life force energy through the etheric double known as the KA body, and we have the inertia of the matrix to create such change. The MerKaBa. This is the context and the filter from which to move forward, and I'm excited to be a part of this thread.

This may indeed be the perfect context and filter for *you*, it may absolutely not be for the next individual. I personally don't speak that language, so the concepts are vague at best; the best part is, I don't have to be able to speak your language in order to afford your Sui Generis all respect and honour in how ever your path is unfolding. :) That's the beauty of the way that I've seen things, both in my mind and in experience 'out there'.

[songsfortheotherkind]

I second that. I posit the old concept of the 'devil on one shoulder and the angel on the other' is a construct of our innate sense of this.

As one of the resident non-humans on this board (and there are a few) I'd like to respectfully offer that I really do not understand the concept of this metaphor. I have lived with humans for a long time, I know, and for the past year have been intentionally activating my non-human DNA with the goal of fully triggering it. This has, apparently, resulted in some profound restructuring of mind. There are certain things I simply cannot hold in my imaginal field *and* hold my own consciousness at the degree that I am aiming for. Perhaps you can express your concept a different way?


I've been recently pondering the concept of integrating Iill say 'the useful' aspects of that which we have such a strong urge to fight, thereby not resisting but in fact including and debilitating the power of that which would otherwise control us. Some call this integration of the Shadow, which is why I mentioned the Dark Side book. It's a necessary part, from my personal experience and observation of others, of becoming gradually immune to the virus.


I meditate on whether one could use the behaviors/techniques of the ptb while maintaining a strong intention to serve the highest good of all. Reconciling opposites. The ultimate question would be: how can this 'darkness', this 'virus' actually serve us all? What would make us LOVE it?

I already *do* love it, as an expression of all that I haven't been able to see in my Self; it already does serve us because as I said at the outset I absolutely experience this as a spiritual process, even if how the virus manifests traverses many expressions of Being. Part of having these discussions, for my Self, is that in calling out the virus and talking about what I'm seeing, I am assisting in the integration of spiritual dichotomy, the Mystics and the Skeksis united as it were, so that something far more interesting can happen. :)
That's how it is for me, anyway.

[gripreaper]

I can see this is going to be difficult. We may need to use an entirely new vocabulary, one which does not exist. My post was, when read in it's full context, in agreement with you and not in opposition.. So, words like "fear", "love", "nature" or harmony with it or the lack thereof, as well as how we were hybridized are inadequate then I'm gobsmacked.

I also realize you may not have the benefit of having read any of my posts on Avalon and have an understanding and a context for where I might becoming from.

[Borden]

Songsfortheotherkind,

You are beautiful. I say this with full cognizance of the fact that it is a Borden-centric statement. I don't care.

When you first appeared on this forum I found what you said interesting, but annoyingly effervescent. The not being human thing made it all too easy for me to dismiss you as being bananas. The last week or so has changed that initial reaction and now I feel you to be a kindred spirit ... though one who might very well be a dark figure to you.

I am a dark figure, in some senses. I am a victim of the virus in unusual ways, I think. I know. I make little sense to it. The areas of my own inner landscape where it does understand me are the fertile ground where it rages at me and has me by the balls. It doesn't like that I know this. It owns me, but is very uneasy about me. There have been occasions where it has gone home with serious injuries. Unfortunately, 'home' is me. I suspect it has secret dialogues with itself about the mystery of how I can be so clever and so stupid at the same time.

I am a powerless, infiltrated, hopeless human being with a quintessential flavour of the mage, but as a fool. I'm quite happy to say that it owns me, because it often thinks it does, but there is a desperation in that contract. I know it fears me. I could tell you many stories that would flesh this out for you, but I'm not prepared to do so on the forum. Some of its assaults have been mind-blowingly savage. You know you've got to someone when they bare their teeth at you so. I want it dead, but to focus on that sentiment is tantamount to alignment with it. It just doesn't get my sense of humour or my peculiar disharmony. I actually want to see it dance itself to death, and my life seems to be about that. There is another me that it knows and fears, who watches this dance with a little smile on his face. It hates that. Its attacks on me have recently become even more crass and patently observable.

Now, I've been told by various so-called mystical and sensitive people over the decades that I'm unusual in terms of my potential for power, my perceived ancientness, etcetera. Nice little ego boosts for a wafty idea about myself I could cheerfully entertain and magnify in my own heart. I may be a Narcissist, but I'm a bored, disenfranchised one. Many years of honest self-exploration lead me to a startling conclusion: slipperiness aside ... when you stop speaking its language, the virus panics. Big time.

I hope you PM me, because we may have an interesting word or two on underground places and battles fought therein. I'll talk about most things openly here, but there are some things that would just spill more drinkable blood, as far as its concerned. Screw it, and screw its camouflage. But I choose my battles. It thinks Borden is its bitch. I like that. Its day is coming. I am one of many, many people who are seeing through it at last. Let me tell you something ... it's sh****ng itself.

As well it should.

Borden

[Borden]

Balls, I should have just posted this instead.

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Borden

[songsfortheotherkind]

Songsfortheotherkind,

You are beautiful. I say this with full cognizance of the fact that it is a Borden-centric statement. I don't care.

When you first appeared on this forum I found what you said interesting, but annoyingly effervescent. The not being human thing made it all too easy for me to dismiss you as being bananas. The last week or so has changed that initial reaction and now I feel you to be a kindred spirit ... though one who might very well be a dark figure to you.

I am a dark figure, in some senses. I am a victim of the virus in unusual ways, I think. I know. I make little sense to it. The areas of my own inner landscape where it does understand me are the fertile ground where it rages at me and has me by the balls. It doesn't like that I know this. It owns me, but is very uneasy about me. There have been occasions where it has gone home with serious injuries. Unfortunately, 'home' is me. I suspect it has secret dialogues with itself about the mystery of how I can be so clever and so stupid at the same time.

I am a powerless, infiltrated, hopeless human being with a quintessential flavour of the mage, but as a fool. I'm quite happy to say that it owns me, because it often thinks it does, but there is a desperation in that contract. I know it fears me. I could tell you many stories that would flesh this out for you, but I'm not prepared to do so on the forum. Some of its assaults have been mind-blowingly savage. You know you've got to someone when they bare their teeth at you so. I want it dead, but to focus on that sentiment is tantamount to alignment with it. It just doesn't get my sense of humour or my peculiar disharmony. I actually want to see it dance itself to death, and my life seems to be about that. There is another me that it knows and fears, who watches this dance with a little smile on his face. It hates that. Its attacks on me have recently become even more crass and patently observable.

Now, I've been told by various so-called mystical and sensitive people over the decades that I'm unusual in terms of my potential for power, my perceived ancientness, etcetera. Nice little ego boosts for a wafty idea about myself I could cheerfully entertain and magnify in my own heart. I may be a Narcissist, but I'm a bored, disenfranchised one. Many years of honest self-exploration lead me to a startling conclusion: slipperiness aside ... when you stop speaking its language, the virus panics. Big time.

I hope you PM me, because we may have an interesting word or two on underground places and battles fought therein. I'll talk about most things openly here, but there are some things that would just spill more drinkable blood, as far as its concerned. Screw it, and screw its camouflage. But I choose my battles. It thinks Borden is its bitch. I like that. Its day is coming. I am one of many, many people who are seeing through it at last. Let me tell you something ... it's sh****ng itself.

As well it should.

Borden

I wasn't going to write today; after epic 'virus exposing' writing yesterday it reared up and munched on me most of the night, leaving me curled inwards and exhausted, feeling poisoned and irrelevant.

And then I find this post and I am.... *waves hands helplessly, wordless* this morning, a voice calling across my temporarily battle scarred internal landscape. And me, sitting on this rock, weary and filthy, looking up to see a figure in the distance and wondering to my Self 'how come that looks like one of the Knights that say 'Ni'?....'

*grins up at you, sideways eyed* I will PM you when I've reorganised my brain pattern back to 'cohesive'. And as for 'dark', there was a reason I posted that particular picture with the comment on Gaia at the Pub... I might have wings at times *and* I never ever said they were feathered... :)

[another bob]

I wasn't going to write today; after epic 'virus exposing' writing yesterday it reared up and munched on me most of the night, leaving me curled inwards and exhausted, feeling poisoned and irrelevant.


Pub members send tidings of comfort . . .


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:yo:

[songsfortheotherkind]

Balls, I should have just posted this instead.

Borden

I love this band, I love this song, I love this clip, this made me cry in a good way and I particularly love I pull up in your driveway, magic soaking my spine

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[songsfortheotherkind]

Pub members send tidings of comfort . . .
:yo:

I am a tenacious and stubborn weed, thorn in the eye of the virus. It has its moments- then I have mine...

Thank you. I truthfully don't know what to do with these particular elements of being Seen, I've been out here on my own for so long I don't think I have any gracious art whatsoever.

[another bob]

...I've been out here on my own for so long I don't think I have any gracious art whatsoever.


Sometimes, just showing up is enough.


:yo:

[Calz]

I wasn't going to write today; after epic 'virus exposing' writing yesterday it reared up and munched on me most of the night, leaving me curled inwards and exhausted, feeling poisoned and irrelevant.


Pub members send tidings of comfort . . .


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:yo:

Indeed ... :wub:


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[songsfortheotherkind]

...I've been out here on my own for so long I don't think I have any gracious art whatsoever.


Sometimes, just showing up is enough.

:yo:

That was gracious. *appreciation*

[Cerridwen]

I wasn't going to write today; after epic 'virus exposing' writing yesterday it reared up and munched on me most of the night, leaving me curled inwards and exhausted, feeling poisoned and irrelevant.


Pub members send tidings of comfort . . .


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:yo:

Indeed ... :wub:


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Yes, thank you so much for sharing. I've enjoyed your posts, both funny and serious.

I've had my own share of fighting with the virus. Battles have been won on both sides, but the war continues on...

[songsfortheotherkind]

Now, before there are any more posts regarding my staggeringly crap night- for me, staggeringly crap nights happen. *And* what is really important is how I view this: in terms of the nature of my continuous work with the mindvirus, crap nights are part of the territory and in fact have gotten far better than they used to be. If in future I post 'staggeringly crap night' updates, it's code for 'I've had my head gnawed on by a Ravenous Bugblatter Beast, won't be updating much today' and I'll be alright. In truth, having individuals sending me messages of support is kind of - *waves hands* I don't know, I've lived all my life with getting my head nommed on by various slavering beasties at different times, it sort of goes with the territory. Like I said to another bob, I simply don't know what to do with expressions of - *waves hands helplessly* I don't even know the words! So I offer my gratitude for the energy, and I'm already gathering my Self back together, taking what I've learned from this round and weaving into the virus-dissonant frequency that I've been refining since I was 7.

The thing is, I'm not the only one here doing this work, not by any stretch of the imagination: there are so many scattered across the globe, "rebel diamonds cut out of the sun", frequently alone and isolated for one reason or another, holding on to this ferocious internal energy of refusal, of tenacity, able to hold the frequency even in the face of the blackest heart of their own despair and hopelessness; they are some of the brightest spirits from all points of the multiverse, able to hold onto a knowing that they can't even explain, one foot after another even when the tsunami sweeps over them, sometimes able to hold against the torrent, sometimes getting swept miles from home, left for dead upside down in a tree.

It's better, in so many ways, than it initially was as a child: I don't regret being a front runner again this time around even if the way that I did it was kind of slidey (different topic) and it's much much better now that I'm experienced and can handle the space. I get nommed, true, *and* nommed is a feedback mechanism, so I have learned to really use it. That's one of the things that marked the front runners, they are good at adapting to the information field.

Many didn't make it, for various reasons, and knowing this contributed to my fear levels as a child. I was linked to one boy when he died in Russia, the only time I'd ever felt one of my 'own' and I never had that kind of link again. I used to be devastated by the isolation, now I realise that it was simply how things were back then and it's not like that anymore; I can feel the increasing in consciousness around calling the virus out, naming it, naming what we are seeing and holding the space for what it is that we are visioning anew. It's the best place to be, imo, calling out the lies of the virus so that healing and evolution can happen within and without, bringing the amazing visions that individuals are having into a space where the possible Becomes.

I do try not to wax all mystic about it, I try to keep that side of things under wraps, but really that's how it is for me. That's why I'm so passionate about sharing it and I tell of my crap days so that others can be encouraged when they have theirs. :)

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[songsfortheotherkind]

Yes, thank you so much for sharing. I've enjoyed your posts, both funny and serious.

I've had my own share of fighting with the virus. Battles have been won on both sides, but the war continues on...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyd_xliZM3U&feature=related

The beauty of this is that we are all these characters, simultaneously, bringing the Self into balance, lifting the frequency and dissolving the conflict, the virus, within us, so that it ceases to have space externally. That's how I do it, one learning experience at a time...

I'm so glad to be sharing this adventure with so many courageous and tenacious Beings. :)

[another bob]

I'm so glad to be sharing this adventure with so many courageous and tenacious Beings. :)


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[songsfortheotherkind]

I can see this is going to be difficult. We may need to use an entirely new vocabulary, one which does not exist.

*nodding* I have felt that way since becoming Self aware in this incarnation. :D It's one of the reasons I started the thread, because there is a necessary evolution of language emerging and this seemed to be as good a place as any to begin such exploration.


My post was, when read in it's full context, in agreement with you and not in opposition..

I did not experience 'opposition' and wasn't suggesting there was any- what there *is* is a marked difference of perspective that I wished to explore and articulate, with a view to refining the concept that I initially discussed. The subjectivity (or lack thereof) in any communication radically alters the way such communication is received and experienced; it's utterly relevant when it comes to crafting a language that has a better chance of transversing every expression of sentient Singularity than what we currently have: I know from a non-human perspective that the species bias embedded in the foundations of most of the major languages of the current paradigms are ugly, to put it nicely, and many worse things to put it not so nicely. If part of the evolution is to create more expansive platforms, then*how* we use language is just as vital as *what * we're saying- at least from my perspective.


So, words like "fear", "love", "nature" or harmony with it or the lack thereof, as well as how we were hybridized are inadequate then I'm gobsmacked. Two different things here- the one of the words you mention and the hybrid . The words- what gobsmacks you about it? One of the things that I have enjoyed embracing in my own life is in using the word 'love'- how I do it is this: 'I love you: what that means for me in this moment is-" and I express whatever that is. I'm not relying on a word to express what exactly is it that I'm feeling in the ever shifting and rich landscape of my emotional realm, moment by moment. What is love? Hasn't the Sex at Dawn thread highlighted just how subjective the concepts- and therefore words- of 'love', commitment, sex, monogamy, polyamoury, just to name a few, are? How can we expect to use a single word to encompass that infinite richness?

Isn't it more useful to let go of what doesn't work- which in this case is the idea that a single word means the same thing between two individuals, two groups, two cultures, two worlds- and discover a way of communicating that instead creates base platforms for true communication? For example- I simply don't even try to 'love' here the way that is natural to my non-human nature, partly because the kind of telepathy I engage in is something that I have only experienced being returned by one individual and that was when he was dying. It was also 40 years ago. So I'm not holding out for that. I've learned what 'love' can look like for me here and with my Otherkind family, I never use that word, there are other more personal and explicit ways of expressing the internal experience I'm having.

AS for the hybrid thing- I *created* that intentionally. I love my hybrid nature, it's been quite specifically crafted. I really don't comprehend *non* hybrid, just as I am not familiar with the experience of single identity personalities; my 'verse is simply way too slidey for that, which means I have difficulty communicating with solid state perspectives (I say this as an example, not as an inference). These elements only serve to highlight the evolving communication co-creation- how does one effectively communicate with an individual for whom nothing is fixed? Who does not orient via a solid state identity?

I'm a slidey kind of Being that experiences multiple levels of Self and dimension, so language has been a sharp pointy stick for most of my journey here... *laughing*


I also realize you may not have the benefit of having read any of my posts on Avalon and have an understanding and a context for where I might becoming from. I recognise that is one way of getting greater clarity- time and questioning- *and* there are other ways of achieving same, depending on the intention and tools. :) They are what I'm into exploring at this point in time. :)

It's been good to move the hologram around this way. Thank you. :)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Jeez, thanks SFTOK, this is so interesting, it makes me feel kind of lost actually, it turns the few things i THINK i know on its head, no clue where to go on from here.

You are a joy to have around and seem to be a great teacher, you have so much to say and you say them so well, how can one make all of this easy to work with in a simple way. ( i feel kinda dumb just for asking, but you seem to be pretty advanced in the concepts you are sharing).

Thank you for being here.

Sorry for saying stupid things in your pub, that was not very nice nor thoughtfull of me and i did not mean to drag the place down to the gutter.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Songsfortheotherkind,

You are beautiful. I say this with full cognizance of the fact that it is a Borden-centric statement. I don't care.

I am so used to carrying my signal alone, fitting so much of who and what I am around the noise and absence of familiar that I have mostly stopped thinking about how much of me I have been prepared to leave in the Field; I have the cords linked, spent time gathering them together after the worst of the shattering, I have my energies and visions and I've just stayed in the corners, the backwaters, always watching and seeing what others mostly couldn't, committed to a process that wasn't even spoken about for the first three and a half decades of my life.

This is what I'm used to. It's how I live, even with those I love and care about; always on some other plane slightly to the left of the reality around me, thinking about things that come at me from a continuous stream of information and awareness, things I struggle to even get the barest bones of if I try to describe them- I can pick up the pictures from the minds of others but in reverse I'm in a world where those around me are deaf, mute, blind, in a constant state of energetic isolation- and my language of preference is energetic at its core. I do much better when I'm able to scan the mindpictures and energy even when the other individual is a crap sender- without it I'm a little lost, which is why I'm careful in written forums, language and all that tricksy stuff. Every word of that Killers song made absolute perfect sense.

And you suddenly feel familiar in a way that makes me unsure of what to type or say. I'm so amazed by that- something that throws me and for once it's not in a bad way! *laughing* Just as well I'm used to moving on unstable ground.


When you first appeared on this forum I found what you said interesting, but annoyingly effervescent. The Goth in me finds this so funny- here I was thinking that I was communicating with all the jerky awkwardness of Jeff Bridges' Starman character...


The not being human thing made it all too easy for me to dismiss you as being bananas. Ahh, see, that was actually a good call. I'm bonkers.


The last week or so has changed that initial reaction and now I feel you to be a kindred spirit ... though one who might very well be a dark figure to you. I'm not Light, not Dark- where I come from these concepts make no sense, aren't useful, not markers for anything interesting; I don't want to be polarised either because it's in the place of choice, that bridge, space of fluid subtlety and non-polarisation that things are really interesting for the kind of Being I am.


I am a dark figure, in some senses. I am a victim of the virus in unusual ways, I think. I know. I make little sense to it. The areas of my own inner landscape where it does understand me are the fertile ground where it rages at me and has me by the balls. It doesn't like that I know this. It owns me, but is very uneasy about me. There have been occasions where it has gone home with serious injuries. Unfortunately, 'home' is me. I suspect it has secret dialogues with itself about the mystery of how I can be so clever and so stupid at the same time.

"'Home' is me". Yes. Always, without exception. It's all within, all the time, for me I've learned it's the *choice* that is the beauty, the beginnings of true Creation, of remembering how much power is in that ability to choose. It's why in my 'Verse the Creators aren't 'gods', they're Beings who know how to choose well in the midst of infinite complexity; I've relearned how to choose, not entirely skilled yet, and I'm getting better at it every day. Clever and stupid at the same time, chaos and order, the conjunctions in the realms of evolution- it's the balance points that works for me, not an absence of something but learning the points of beauty in it.

Having said that I've learned the power of a well placed headkick, energetically speaking. For a long time I was too afraid of violence to look at it in me; then I found it and liked it a lot, claws and fangs and the taste for blood and all the lessons that went with that learning, violence always pointed inwards even when it was directed externally.


I am a powerless, infiltrated, hopeless human being with a quintessential flavour of the mage, but as a fool. I'm quite happy to say that it owns me, because it often thinks it does, but there is a desperation in that contract. I know it fears me. I could tell you many stories that would flesh this out for you, but I'm not prepared to do so on the forum. Some of its assaults have been mind-blowingly savage. You know you've got to someone when they bare their teeth at you so. I want it dead, but to focus on that sentiment is tantamount to alignment with it. It just doesn't get my sense of humour or my peculiar disharmony. I actually want to see it dance itself to death, and my life seems to be about that. There is another me that it knows and fears, who watches this dance with a little smile on his face. It hates that. Its attacks on me have recently become even more crass and patently observable.

Peculiar disharmony- perhaps that's the common denominator of all those linked together in this same endeavour- the ability to hold their singularity expression of peculiar disharmony. I want to talk with you about crass and observable, the stories for the private spaces.


Now, I've been told by various so-called mystical and sensitive people over the decades that I'm unusual in terms of my potential for power, my perceived ancientness, etcetera. Nice little ego boosts for a wafty idea about myself I could cheerfully entertain and magnify in my own heart. I may be a Narcissist, but I'm a bored, disenfranchised one. Many years of honest self-exploration lead me to a startling conclusion: slipperiness aside ... when you stop speaking its language, the virus panics. Big time. That is exactly what I saw, that panic and confusion when the language, the feedback, stops; it's one of the reasons for this thread, I want to spread that message, that skill, the ground floor how to of something so that I can leave them to get on with it, now that it's more of a numbers game than it's previously been. I know I'm here for something more. The other elements, I grew up the same, strange messages of as yet untapped power and ability, reflections and mirrors that I couldn't really do anything useful with so I left them in the drawer. They're still there, somewhere.


I hope you PM me, because we may have an interesting word or two on underground places and battles fought therein. I'll talk about most things openly here, but there are some things that would just spill more drinkable blood, as far as its concerned. Screw it, and screw its camouflage. But I choose my battles. It thinks Borden is its bitch. I like that. Its day is coming. I am one of many, many people who are seeing through it at last. Let me tell you something ... it's sh****ng itself.

I already have, I wanted to reply here too- we *are* part of many that are seeing through it, all these dots joining together finally energetically. I can feel the difference. You described the effect well.

You know where I'll be. :)

[Borden]

I happened to read your post while listening to this on headphones.

7cSAKlu0OlU

Warriors don't always look like warriors. We can't all be Neo. Oh, hang on ... yes we can!

We really can. Fat, thin, old, young, it doesn't matter. You can hold up your hand and stop those bullets. Don't trust me or listen to me ... trust and listen to yourself. You are all apotheosized super-gods. We all are. People like Songsy are warriors. She may be the warrior in my story who comes and wakes me up from my cowardly slumber. With her on my side, this virus is toast.

Shape up, warriors.

Borden.

[another bob]

Warriors don't always look like warriors.


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[Calz]

Okay Song ... you have a very unique singing voice and my attention (notice I didn't suggest "our" ... learning yet are we???)

In the mail ... and close to my existing outlook ...


14878

[songsfortheotherkind]

Okay Song ... you have a very unique singing voice and my attention (notice I didn't suggest "our" ... learning yet are we???)

In the mail ... and close to my existing outlook ...



My humble and utterly self-effacing response to this can of course only be

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[Cerridwen]

Okay Song ... you have a very unique singing voice and my attention (notice I didn't suggest "our" ... learning yet are we???)

In the mail ... and close to my existing outlook ...


14878

I hadn't heard of this book before, but it looks interesting.

Truly confronting and understanding one's shadow self is hard work, but so very rewarding. The shadow is nothing to be afraid of, ashamed of, or feared, but should be acknowledged and even embraced. It's a part of us and makes us whole. Of course that doesn't mean we need give in to our dark side, just keep it in line.:p

[songsfortheotherkind]

I happened to read your post while listening to this on headphones.

7cSAKlu0OlU

David Bowie- so unworldly and Otherkind, such a gorgeous song. This is the way to dissolve mindvirus, one delicious song after another...


Warriors don't always look like warriors. We can't all be Neo. Oh, hang on ... yes we can!

We really can. Fat, thin, old, young, it doesn't matter. You can hold up your hand and stop those bullets. Don't trust me or listen to me ... trust and listen to yourself. You are all apotheosized super-gods. We all are.

Yes, yes we are, the Neo's of our Sui Generis, unique 'Verse, the one that only we inhabit- we reach through our energetic amniotic fluid to one another, constantly exchanging and co-creating with one another, is/is not One, is/is not Singularity, it's all the same thing and we are running around looking for a sign when we've got it in our hand



People like Songsy are warriors. She may be the warrior in my story who comes and wakes me up from my cowardly slumber. With her on my side, this virus is toast.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dugyHjrNIZA/TLmKHBxsamI/AAAAAAAAAJs/8FKBjUQ-mK8/s400/contrast.jpg

we *are* awake, it's here that is dreaming...


Shape up, warriors.
Borden.

I am in shape. Round is a shape. But I *really* like the dodecahedron- that one has so far proven elusive, yet I am determined to succeed...

*grins at you sideways eyed*

[another bob]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dugyHjrNIZA/TLmKHBxsamI/AAAAAAAAAJs/8FKBjUQ-mK8/s400/contrast.jpg

we *are* awake, it's here that is dreaming...


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[songsfortheotherkind]

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I have seen giants like these before, out in the Field

They're Creators.

So beautiful.

[Calz]

Dropped to 4th page soon to be forgotten???

Me thinks not.

Important stuff here peeps.

Songs is bringing in something that makes the forum worthwhile paying attention to ... ignore at your own risk ...


IMHO

[songsfortheotherkind]

Songs is bringing in something that makes the forum worthwhile paying attention to ... ignore at your own risk ...
IMHO

That's right, because I'm actually training up my own army of virus busters...

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There is a lot to be learned, IMO, from the Nac Mac Feegles, personal hygiene approaches aside. They know how to hold together against a common foe, rather than turning the energy against one another in a real effort to do harm- sure, they constantly boffo one another but in their culture this is done with great affection, much respect and the knowledge that they are all practically impossible to kill. There is a fundamental knowing and experience of one another that is underpinned by the absolute commitment to one another that is rarely, if ever, spoken because it's so intrinsic to their way of Being.

That's vastly different to the willingness to tear each other apart that homo sapiens exhibits. It's what makes humans such easy prey- just have to create some distraction within the crowd and pick them off while they're busy attacking one another. That's the prophecy, you see, it's even in the annunaki inspired bible because they knew the species they had created- this proclivity for turning on one another, how reliable a tool it is and one of the elements that turned Frankenstein's monsters on their makers- if there's nothing external to fight, then pick a fight with the guy next to you.

It's one of the elements that for me separates the high homo sapiens DNA carriers from the high Otherkind/Neanderthal DNA Beings-I know I'm not the only one that is watching the split happening, has been able to tell the difference between the species since birth- even my own children from birth could tell, screaming when they were held by anyone with low Otherkind frequency. It's not hard to see if you're interested. There's something really, really wrong with many Beings and you just know the ones you don't want to be around withn TSHTF.

I'm looking for my Nac Mac Feegle family- the ones who know how to hold a frequency no matter what, who embrace the Sui Generis of one another without question, who can engage in a whole hearted melee when it's all in fun and who would never consider actually causing true harm to one another out of spite or virus, who, given a true threat, know how to bring their own unique brand of mayhem as part of a cohesive whole, who know that Bad Existing doesn't mean we can't have a rollicking good time anyway.

The virus knows its best hosts. The rest of us are proving to be a real pain in the arse- which suits me just fine.

CRIVENS!!

[PurpleLama]

Indeed, this human proclivity to turn on one another with violence actually came from the Anu side of the family....

[songsfortheotherkind]

So, there's an interesting exercise in 'allowing' that is part of the virus learning I've been doing lately.

I have shields, for all the usual rationalising reasons that we develop them. I'm deliberately stripping them down at the moment because I've discovered that there's a new level of Beingness that has opened up to me in the past few weeks. It's one of those physical things that are really subtle in experience and it's like a dismantling of an internal virus mechanism that was attached to the physical level.

Allowing is a way for me to attempt description of a willing opening of all the internal channels, regardless of what is happening externally, internally, mentally, triggers, whatever. How many that are actually reading this thread are familiar with chakra/energy work? I'm going to assume a certain level of understanding and if there's lack of understanding then just ask.

I am experiencing my allowing as an energetic and conscious focus on my chakra and etheric body system, in conjunction with a backbrain connection to my DNA, so the allowing is connecting with a lot of dots. I'm a pretty experienced psychonaut so I have a strong connection to my inner experience as it relates to subtle interplays of energy in my body- for those not so experienced, start paying WAY more attention to what constrictions are going on in your body at any moment- what what happens when you're in a situation or exchange that you don't enjoy or want to participate in, watch the constrictions and contortions that the body is doing in an effort to get out of the energy field. This stuff is really important when it comes to learning how the mind virus is stealthing into our consciousness- our kinesthetic system doesn't lie, which is why kinesiology works. We can lie to our minds but not our body.

Watch what happens with your breathing- a decision we don't like on an Essence level will cause the breath to move into the upper chest, which is a fear/defense mechanism and also a 'no' response. Try it with food- just hold the idea 'is this good for my physical Being?' in your mind and hold the food, or simply think about it, and watch what happens to your breathing. You'll learn when your mind is trying to Spock with you by screwing with your breathing, and if you persist you'll find your Self getting into stronger connection with the mind/knowing in the gut, the deeper part of the physical knowing. There are brain cells in the gut, there's no mistake in the term 'gut thinking'. Here's a clue about the mindvirus- it cannot actually interfere with the kinesthetic system. It can interfere via belief systems *and* kinesiology or other body testing systems can easily sort out what is actually true for that physical Being and what is manipulated control system. The virus can't zombie the body, it can only zombie the programmable part of the mind, which can give the appearance of a zombied body. The Essence can't be zombied, which is why the conflict continuously manifests between the programming and the Essence, even if the conflict becomes really subtle. The Essence never quits.

So, the ability to allow in part emerges from the conscious attention on the physical avatar and what's happening there. This creates an awareness and reconnection to the subtle information fields that we're bathed in but mostly ignorant to, which we need to get into a space less infused with virus noise and effects. The more the individual learns about their patterns of resistance, the more information is available as to where the best efforts in dissolving the particular manifestation of virus for the individual will be aimed; it's a perfect feedback mechanism as to what it is that the virus *doesn't* want you looking at, for one reason or another. Paying attention in this way will allow distinctions to be made between a healthy 'no' (this person is not good to be around, it would be best to go now if possible)- this usually feels clear, coming from the gut (second chakra, feels warm and peaceful when it's a decision coming from a healthy and conscious space) and an open chest feeling- and a toxic or viral 'no', which has all kinds of dissonance in it. Same for 'yes'- a toxic yes causes a squirly feeling in the gut and a feeling of being constricted in the heart or chest, sometimes also agitation in the solar plexus, such as tightening or bulging out. It isn't going to be exactly the same for each individual, there are other subtle body clues- for me, if I don't like something my pelvis tilts backwards, as if I'm pulling my base chakra back away from the situation or individual.

Feldenkrais with a practitioner who is also tuned into subtle energies is brilliant for learning about this if you're completely new or clueless. Contact improvisation is also brilliant for exploring the interplay of energy in the company of others, if you're into dance. Aikido. Energy practices. Anything that can get your awareness moving back into your body. For me, it's dance, particularly in water (watsu and waterdance are two amazing, amazing physical experiences that have transformed my relationship with my physical body, as well as giving me a platform for learning surrender and allowing in a way that nothing else to date has) and a few other things; I'm also a constant Selfsystem-hacker, which does make a difference.

What this body exploration does is get you familiar with when you *allow* something, and when you *don't* allow. The simplest example for this is orgasm- there is a point of allowing when all the internal and physical barriers shift out of the way and just allow, mind out of the way, just opening every gate to let the moment in. This isn't something that needs to be the domain of sex alone- allowing, the conscious opening to whatever is in the space in the moment, moves us from the narrow world that the virus creates back into the very edges of the Creative expanse we are being invited to inhabit in this Shift.

I have started consciously moving into allowing, deliberately stopping and intentionally opening my entire energetic and etheric system wide open whenever any hint of the virus shows up in me. I'm opening to everything that I love and experience as conscious and connected, my links to the Otherrealms, my guides, my Creators, Gaia, everyone I love, the multiverse- I connect to the highest vibration in the moment and simply allow it to flood into me, regardless of any rationalisations, arguments, warnings of 'safety' and 'need for shields' and all the rest of the crap that the infected elements of Self carry; I open and allow while bypassing the noise with choice.

It's having truly astonishing results. I've only gotten into this space in the past few weeks, as in *really* grokked it, and gotten to the deep physical experience in the past 24 hours. I feel I've waterdanced into a new level of Being and I'm already watching the virus sliding away from the space. The allowing doesn't restrict anything, I'm not even rebutting the virus in that moment, I'm simply not giving it any energy because I'm intentionally going as wide as I can to what I know and love. I've always resisted my Self to that degree, having been entrained to distrust 'me' and having had to learn to love and accept my Self through a lot of years of noise- now I'm simply floating through whatever it's throwing at me because I know, in the very core of me, that I can choose that. Sui Generis in action, in that moment, in it's absolute pure understanding.

I'm loving it.

[ljwheat]

WOW,

Finally as only a reference in spoken words, I have been handed the apple, taking a bite of it, and handing it back when it was forbidden to do so. --- * Being hole in need of nothing,* ----sustenance, shelter, clothes, awareness, speech. Apparently the only un thing we had not experience was knowledge (virus) limiter,-- a governor on the limitless engine of eternity. So we take a taste of apple.

The VEIL--(mirror) No need to look at ones self. Why? *I am all things why look at myself when I can see ALL.* Enter the virus *(words)* take of this and you shall know even of the GODS. How can this be bad words, words are all i know?

Or the thread I started Hmmm *what if* Babble (Words) is the Virus and no matter how you try to formulate, postulate, anticipate, your very next *(word)* is in fact passing the apple of knowledge injected long ago. How would the world have been with out words or knowledge and every one was on the same level of awareness non lacking of all that* IS* No speaking at a fire works show just every one in sounds of ooooo aaaaaaaa no virus of explanation. Just admirations.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42133-Hmmmmmm-What-IF...

The very fact that one try’s to tell* me *(all knowing) that I do not see or know? Is the virus (words) (VEIL) (apple) I have no need of, and will not take a bite of.

To take the bite of the apple implies I lack when I do not. *How are you?* implies your not. * I SEE YOU* implies I do not by saying it. Saying *Namate when i should just bow with you.* (words) are the virus rapping your head around words is ingesting and incubating the sickness.

Its like using cancer to cure cancer. In NATURE all is provided nothing is lacking. No amount of numerous wording can explain *- IS -* when you do---- it vanishes be hind the VEIL(virus) of WORDS.

The bigger the forum the bigger the epidemic and the spreading of that which you should not have handed me to take a bite of.

Words/back engineer it to Babble and knowledge (VEIL) "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them."

The GODs used language, (virus) that’s why they were cast into the 4D pit trying to us words in creation.

The pit (quarantined in 4D) is were we got the virus (language) from. Serpent, ET, angles (fallen angles) influencing our world in there fallen language at the fall of man. taking of the apple.

When man uses understanding on NATURE what happens? -Virus- *( here let me explain. Spreads the virus.)* Take a bite when there is no hunger in your spirit of *IS* The hunger is the head thinking it has not. EGO.--Virus--no thinking is involved when you know. hence silence and aware.

When we all know the same thing, there is silence nothing to talk about all is known. Silence in nature is defining. Sounds in nature are not words that we place on nature as we intupet our understanding into nature. This Infliction of words was given to us, virus so we now look at and translate everything we hear and see in nature with the same sickness.

Sound is used in nature to co exist not to show. There is nothing to teach, you are complete. We show the young to how to be --- on this plain. Guiding sounds not language.

From birth we have known nothing different, so we use only what we have been given (virus) once you’ve awakened to this, as so many others have done. You leave and are silent. Pie’n’eal comes to mind. Or stick around as a way shower, in silence in the *IS*

[Delight]

I'm opening to everything that I love and experience as conscious and connected, my links to the Otherrealms, my guides, my Creators, Gaia, everyone I love, the multiverse- I connect to the highest vibration in the moment and simply allow it to flood into me, regardless of any rationalisations, arguments, warnings of 'safety' and 'need for shields' and all the rest of the crap that the infected elements of Self carry; I open and allow while bypassing the noise with choice.

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[songsfortheotherkind]

WOW,

Finally as only a reference in spoken words, I have been handed the apple, taking a bite of it, and handing it back when it was forbidden to do so. --- * Being hole in need of nothing,* ----sustenance, shelter, clothes, awareness, speech. Apparently the only un thing we had not experience was knowledge (virus) limiter,-- a governor on the limitless engine of eternity. So we take a taste of apple.

The VEIL--(mirror) No need to look at ones self. Why? *I am all things why look at myself when I can see ALL.* Enter the virus *(words)* take of this and you shall know even of the GODS. How can this be bad words, words are all i know? :der:

Or the thread I started Hmmm *what if* Babble (Words) is the Virus and no matter how you try to formulate, postulate, anticipate, your very next *(word)* is in fact passing the apple of knowledge injected long ago. How would the world have been with out words or knowledge and every one was on the same level of awareness non lacking of all that* IS*

From my perspective, this world would have reached the end of its ability to evolve and would be therefore useless to the Universal energy's exploration of ever increasing complexity and co-creations. To me this homogenous signal, this absence of creative tension and exploration, this lack of unknown, flatline, empty of everything because there nothing new can be born here- this space to me is the ultimate source and aim of the virus itself. It is the epitome of the Borg and it is my vision of Hell, if there were ever to be one- eternal monotone, monochrome, wasteland where all the riches of the universe are on display like plastic mass produced nothing sold in one replicated tourist town after another.

If this vision is your idea of a future to aim for, no words, no sounds, no exchanges because why bother, everything is already known, then you are truly welcome to it. I will never set foot on Zotz. This universe will bear warnings on the outside of it for all those who love the feeling of the passionate and living beating heart of the sentient and evolving planets, the living frequency of the cosmic Breath and Intelligence, who approach the Multiverse with childlike wonder and glee: there is none of that in the universe you speak of, neutered and void, passive and blank.

The sacred sounds and intonations, patterns falling into words and words falling into creation, are not an Infliction in my universe. I do not say such things simply because the virus, for the moment, has poisoned the signal with it's own perversions. The signal is always as it has ever been, sublime in beauty- no amount of perversion can destroy that, just as the virus cannot destroy Essence. No life in the virus, it cannot create Life, and no life in this world that you have painted, this space that drains everything away with
a languid wave of the hand and a dismissive 'it is all already known, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing because there is nothing'.

I cannot and will not walk in that realm. It is sickness and torpor, intellectual and spiritual emptiness that drains life while it smiles reassuringly. If any come at me with this energy, hands outstretched like a Skeksis, I will repel it, and if it is pointed at me enough, I'll repel it with swords and focus. Creeping sickness. I know it when I see it.

I am a holder of Sui Generis. I respect your right to live in whatever universe you wish to. My universe has detected the virus and is moving in response. This is me, turning to face the virus, diamond skinned and black eyed.

[ljwheat]

WOW, Finally as only a reference in spoken words, I have been handed the apple, taking a bite of it, and handing it back when it was forbidden to do so. --- * Being hole in need of nothing,* ----sustenance, shelter, clothes, awareness, speech. Apparently the only un thing we had not experience was knowledge (virus) limiter,-- a governor on the limitless engine of eternity. So we take a taste of apple.

The VEIL--(mirror) No need to look at ones self. Why? *I am all things why look at myself when I can see ALL.* Enter the virus *(words)* take of this and you shall know even of the GODS. How can this be bad words, words are all i know? :der:

Or the thread I started Hmmm *what if* Babble (Words) is the Virus and no matter how you try to formulate, postulate, anticipate, your very next *(word)* is in fact passing the apple of knowledge injected long ago. How would the world have been with out words or knowledge and every one was on the same level of awareness non lacking of all that* IS*

From my perspective, this world would have reached the end of its ability to evolve and would be therefore useless to the Universal energy's exploration of ever increasing complexity and co-creations. To me this homogenous signal, this absence of creative tension and exploration, this lack of unknown, flatline, empty of everything because there nothing new can be born here- this space to me is the ultimate source and aim of the virus itself. It is the epitome of the Borg and it is my vision of Hell, if there were ever to be one- eternal monotone, monochrome, wasteland where all the riches of the universe are on display like plastic mass produced nothing sold in one replicated tourist town after another.

If this vision is your idea of a future to aim for, no words, no sounds, no exchanges because why bother, everything is already known, then you are truly welcome to it. I will never set foot on Zotz. This universe will bear warnings on the outside of it for all those who love the feeling of the passionate and living beating heart of the sentient and evolving planets, the living frequency of the cosmic Breath and Intelligence, who approach the Multiverse with childlike wonder and glee: there is none of that in the universe you speak of, neutered and void, passive and blank.

The sacred sounds and intonations, patterns falling into words and words falling into creation, are not an Infliction in my universe. I do not say such things simply because the virus, for the moment, has poisoned the signal with it's own perversions. The signal is always as it has ever been, sublime in beauty- no amount of perversion can destroy that, just as the virus cannot destroy Essence. No life in the virus, it cannot create Life, and no life in this world that you have painted, this space that drains everything away with
a languid wave of the hand and a dismissive 'it is all already known, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing because there is nothing'.

I cannot and will not walk in that realm. It is sickness and torpor, intellectual and spiritual emptiness that drains life while it smiles reassuringly. If any come at me with this energy, hands outstretched like a Skeksis, I will repel it, and if it is pointed at me enough, I'll repel it with swords and focus. Creeping sickness. I know it when I see it.

I am a holder of Sui Generis. I respect your right to live in whatever universe you wish to. My universe has detected the virus and is moving in response. This is me, turning to face the virus, diamond skinned and black eyed.

Whooooooow slow that pony down. Back that wagon up a bit. LOL I have heard of selective hearing, but selective reading and verb age. I come from the > < gap between the words ---not from the 4D--fallen angles who insist on filling the gap with words. IMO.

there is more wisdom, knowledge, and life in the gap between the multitudes of words we stack on either side of the .IS.

I was a pure innocent child untouched by this virus you speak of. awareness--- the silent one in you-- that silently watches you think and speak --is the gap, void of words and void of labels of virus defending the language it road in on. the void dose not use words -- the gap is undefiled by labels of meaning, head rapping many words - smoke and mirrors of understanding.

If you take away the gap between words, between matter, objects, between atoms, electrons, between the things of this reality, and all that was left is matter-- no space no gaps,, the entire milky way would fit in a quart jar after the space or gap was removed. So which is bigger the gap or the words the gap holds apart.

With out this void --the gap-- the .IS. nothing would exist-- the gap is what gives it all life and meaning. Sure there will be words, just not the distorted fallen divine angle desption virus this world is cought up in.

All things came from the void, IMO the virus of words the fallen angles the divine came out of the 4D the obis. IMO. where they were cast into long ago. and since we have the power to tap into that void were they reside Pandora's box was opened and man has had a cold ever since.

I was just pointing out IMO the divine language is the deception and were all up to our necks in it. Religion and all its divinness we took it out of the box, and getting back to a mind meld oneness of awareness of spirit we are, and away from this fallen angle divine deception of separation and I’m it-ness. The virus you so wanted to look at. -- and so i did, why have we gotten so upset that we have to threatened swords and casting spells. where did that come from? --what bundle of wisdom did it spring from?

I will repel it, and if it is pointed at me enough, I'll repel it with swords and focus. Creeping sickness. I know it when I see it.

I am a holder of Sui Generis. I respect your right to live in whatever universe you wish to. My universe has detected the virus and is moving in response. This is me, turning to face the virus, diamond skinned and black eyed.

why are we building a fort, defending against the > < VOID. so where did the virus come from then. and who gave it to us, and what’s its origin? Have you ever heard of mirror gazing. looking in the mirror and gaze into your own eye's for fifteen minute each and every morning for thirty days, to meet your higher self the silent one who stands behind the eye's and mind we Observe this would threw?

Just my own observations, and its only my opinion, I truly was not expecting such a violent :tape: response. IMO remember i said what *If* ?

[songsfortheotherkind]

From my perspective, this world would have reached the end of its ability to evolve and would be therefore useless to the Universal energy's exploration of ever increasing complexity and co-creations. To me this homogenous signal, this absence of creative tension and exploration, this lack of unknown, flatline, empty of everything because there nothing new can be born here- this space to me is the ultimate source and aim of the virus itself. It is the epitome of the Borg and it is my vision of Hell, if there were ever to be one- eternal monotone, monochrome, wasteland where all the riches of the universe are on display like plastic mass produced nothing sold in one replicated tourist town after another.

Whooooooow slow that pony down. Back that wagon up a bit. LOL I have heard of selective hearing, but selective reading and verb age. I come from the > < gap between the words ---not from the 4D--fallen angles who insist on filling the gap with words. IMO.

there is more wisdom, knowledge, and life in the gap between the multitudes of words we stack on either side of the .IS.

I was a pure innocent child untouched by this virus you speak of. awareness--- the silent one in you-- that silently watches you think and speak --is the gap, void of words and void of labels of virus defending the language it road in on. the void dose not use words -- the gap is undefiled by labels of meaning, head rapping many words - smoke and mirrors of understanding.

If you take away the gap between words, between matter, objects, between atoms, electrons, between the things of this reality, and all that was left is matter-- no space no gaps,, the entire milky way would fit in a quart jar after the space or gap was removed. So which is bigger the gap or the words the gap holds apart.

With out this void --the gap-- the .IS. nothing would exist-- the gap is what gives it all life and meaning. Sure there will be words, just not the distorted fallen divine angle desption virus this world is cought up in.

All things came from the void, IMO the virus of words the fallen angles the divine came out of the 4D the obis. IMO. where they were cast into long ago. and since we have the power to tap into that void were they reside Pandora's box was opened and man has had a cold ever since.

I was just pointing out IMO the divine language is the deception and were all up to our necks in it. Religion and all its divinness we took it out of the box, and getting back to a mind meld oneness of awareness of spirit we are, and away from this fallen angle divine deception of separation and I’m it-ness. The virus you so wanted to look at. -- and so i did, why have we gotten so upset that we have to threatened swords and casting spells. where did that come from? --what bundle of wisdom did it spring from?

I will repel it, and if it is pointed at me enough, I'll repel it with swords and focus. Creeping sickness. I know it when I see it.

I am a holder of Sui Generis. I respect your right to live in whatever universe you wish to. My universe has detected the virus and is moving in response. This is me, turning to face the virus, diamond skinned and black eyed.

why are we building a fort, defending against the > < VOID. so where did the virus come from then. and who gave it to us, and what’s its origin? Have you ever heard of mirror gazing. looking in the mirror and gaze into your own eye's for fifteen minute each and every morning for thirty days, to meet your higher self the silent one who stands behind the eye's and mind we Observe this would threw?

Just my own observations, and its only my opinion, I truly was not expecting such a violent fallen angle response. IMO - chill - remember i said what If :peep:

First, this-
not from the 4D--fallen angels who insist on filling the gap with words. IMO.

then this-


I truly was not expecting such a violent fallen angel response.

To be clear- I'm neither angelic, nor fallen. I did tell you that before, when you associated me with a heap of allusions to being able to feel the 'love' emanating from me on this forum, which I experienced as a projection having little to do with who I actually express my Self as a Being. I'm not sweetness and light. I don't do that, although I absolutely have no issue with Beings that do- it's simply in my 'Verse there are, occasionally, horns and claws, long canines and jet black eyes. I experience none of these things as wrong, 'dark', unenlightened, lesser evolved, evil or fallen; I have experienced what those words mean to others in enough ways to get the general sense and drift of how they are used and they don't really have anything to do with my experience.

I know the space- this 'void' that you are referring to- as something very different. I do not experience it as a void- for my Self it is the space of infinite Choice, the point of convergence where all possibility exists simultaneously, all possible and infinite Is, where we get to be the Creators of our Self and choose moment by flickering, glittering moment. Choice is in the space, the hovering point of balance between one thing and another, in the perfect balance point between opposite ideas, possibilities, aspects of the hologram.: it's choice that creates our experience.

The richness of creation in all its infinite beauty and art is utterly available for us in every moment, but it appears you advocate ignoring the whole lot in favour of the nothing. I fully uphold your right to choose this if you wish. I personally have no interest in that space. I love the Creators that I am in contact and connection with, the vast energetic, corporeal and non-corporeal family that I am a part of, my interests are not in the non-corporeal world.

Words are not poison to me. The perversionof the words is the poison, the perversion of connection, of coherence, of the creative dance between Beings, between Beings and the Cosmic field- the perversion is the poison, not the connection, dance, singularity, is/is not. I have *no desire to be nothing* and in having this lack of desire, there is no suggestion *in my realm* that this indicates a lack of 'enlightenment'. I *do not desire or work towards* a 'return to source'- a concept I find bizarre, given the experiences of my 'Verse': I have an experience of the mind virus that does not embrace the concept that words, communication et al are automatic transmitters of it- that is not the message I am conveying.

I respond quite decisively if I perceive someone bringing The Nothing into my personal 'Verse- it doesn't resonate there, quite simply, so I rebut it. I absolutely support your preference and desire for it. That does not mean I have to embrace it. I am aware of the Watcher, who was never silent in me, even as a small child- I have always been full of voices, hearing the conversations, hearing the explorations- the Watcher is simply another extension of consciousness.


the void dose not use words -- the gap is undefiled by labels of meaning, head rapping many words - smoke and mirrors of understanding.

You and I are going to get on far more easily if you could start speaking subjectively and not globally. Globalspeak is virus to me, it reaches out to drain away my Sui Generis with a thousand fine tendrils- I don't accept that sort of thing these days and my refusal to be tapped sometimes looks like hostility to others.


If you take away the gap between words, between matter, objects, between atoms, electrons, between the things of this reality, and all that was left is matter-- no space no gaps,, the entire milky way would fit in a quart jar after the space or gap was removed.

What, honestly, does this have to do with the price of fish? How does what you are saying impact on how we can embrace being alive in this fashion? Rather than giving what appears to me as rhetoric or philosophy, perhaps I can better understand what it is that you are saying or suggesting if you can point to what it is that you perceive can be done in your view- I'm not interested in taking up a 'why bother, it's all so passe' approach. I'm a passionate, intense, lascivious, body scented creature that occasionally sprouts curved horns and hangs out with incubus, so I'm not the one to be talking to about voids, embracing The Nothing (which didn't look so hot in Never Ending Story and still isn't looking great now) and emptiness. It's like meeting Van Gogh and earnestly trying to convince him that he'd be better off as a shoe salesman. It's not going to fly, although I fully support those whose choice and passion it is to sell shoes. Or whatever.


getting back to a mind meld oneness of awareness of spirit we are, and away from this fallen angle divine deception of separation and I’m it-ness. The virus you so wanted to look at. -- and so i did, why have we gotten so upset that we have to threatened swords and casting spells. where did that come from? --what bundle of wisdom did it spring from?

Apparently, in exploring virus you are unable to see when you point it at another. I find the references to fallen angels and divine deceptions creates a chasm in the conversation that I am not really inclined to bridge- I am currently connecting to a fallen angel in a deep and loving way, and have another in the form of a son; I have no idea at all where you come from with this understanding that you have *and* it isn't mine. I get that we all have different perspectives and experiences of the Multiverse, I simply do not accept when an individual, by their use of language, tries to construe me, overtly or covertly, knowingly or not, into *their* universe. I am not part of the paradigm you're speaking about. If you would like to co-create with me in exploration, being mindful that *my* experience and universe is not yours will go a long way to making such exploration possible. If you keep pointing perspectives, beliefs, globalising language and other such things at me, I will understand that we are two Beings that are too different to communicate.

I've been as nice as I can be about it. I am asking that you respect my Sui Generis. If you want to continue talking with me, please stop making references to fallen angels and their deceptions, it's like attempting to have a dialogue with a Muslim while constantly bagging their religion. It's not going to go well.

Perhaps now you'll see my perspective a little more.

[ljwheat]

I see a little bit how your looking at this multy verse. I'm still exploring were all this went wrong. and thank you for your input. I will leave you now with this offering from the land of OZ.

Snhgv9BQCAw

forgive my humble atempt to add any bit of my essence to the thread, sorry.

John XXX :cool: :tape:

[NancyV]

Thanks, John, gotta love Max Igan! I agree with you that words are likely a large part of the "virus" or psychopathy. Although I LIKE the game of words I personally know they are just a part of this particular game, and a fun game it is.

Having experienced entering into the void many times I have found that the void is not "devoid" of anything but contains everything. It is full and complete. There is no "Nothing", there is only everything. Even the lower astral dimensions have no need for words because full communication with other consciousnesses is not blocked as it is for most here on earth. Most of us need words here and some of us become so entranced with words we give them great importance and ignore the possibility that they may actually be a root cause of, or perpetuate the mind virus which is so much a part of our human lives.

Until I stopped speaking and focused on listening, I could not hear. There is a sound current that can help pull you out of this dimension and into other dimensions, but you cannot hear it if you are speaking or thinking in words. If you can stop the incessant words/thoughts, the sound current can begin to be heard and it has a magnetic pull. It's like a river which flows through all dimensions and can transport you. This is just one way of the many ways we may travel in/to other dimensions. Actually the sound current is just a particular vibration...and light is also a particular vibration which has a magnetic pull if we concentrate on seeing it with our inner eye. These vibrations from the void are attractors which can pull our souls into becoming fully who we are.

In my opinion and experience words are a very low vibrational form of communication which can block higher vibration communications and can make it more difficult to merge with your true and complete self.

[ljwheat]

Thanks, John, gotta love Max Igan! I agree with you that words are likely a large part of the "virus" or psychopathy. Although I LIKE the game of words I personally know they are just a part of this particular game, and a fun game it is.

Having experienced entering into the void many times I have found that the void is not "devoid" of anything but contains everything. It is full and complete. There is no "Nothing", there is only everything. Even the lower astral dimensions have no need for words because full communication with other consciousnesses is not blocked as it is for most here on earth. Most of us need words here and some of us become so entranced with words we give them great importance and ignore the possibility that they may actually be a root cause of, or perpetuate the mind virus which is so much a part of our human lives.

Until I stopped speaking and focused on listening, I could not hear. There is a sound current that can help pull you out of this dimension and into other dimensions, but you cannot hear it if you are speaking or thinking in words. If you can stop the incessant words/thoughts, the sound current can begin to be heard and it has a magnetic pull. It's like a river which flows through all dimensions and can transport you. This is just one way of the many ways we may travel in/to other dimensions. Actually the sound current is just a particular vibration...and light is also a particular vibration which has a magnetic pull if we concentrate on seeing it with our inner eye. These vibrations from the void are attractors which can pull our souls into becoming fully who we are.

In my opinion and experience words are a very low vibrational form of communication which can block higher vibration communications and can make it more difficult to merge with your true and complete self.

WOW thanks Nancyv for saying what I’ve not been able to do with words. I agree and nicely put. thanks. :cool:

[another bob]

The mind was originally a tool in the struggle for biological survival. It had to learn that the laws and ways of Nature working hand-in-hand can raise life to a higher level. But, in the process the mind acquired the art of symbolic thinking and communication, the art and skill of language. Words became important. Ideas and abstractions acquired an appearance of reality, the conceptual replaced the real, with the result that man now lives in a verbal world, crowded with words and dominated by words.
Obviously, for dealing with things and people words are exceedingly useful. But they make us live in a world totally symbolic and, therefore, unreal. To break out from this prison of the verbal mind into reality, one must be able to shift one’s focus from the word to what it refers to, the thing itself.
Words are pointers, they show the direction but they will not come along with us. Truth is the fruit of earnest action, words merely point the way.

Maurice Frydman

[Calz]

The mind was originally a tool in the struggle for biological survival. It had to learn that the laws and ways of Nature working hand-in-hand can raise life to a higher level. But, in the process the mind acquired the art of symbolic thinking and communication, the art and skill of language. Words became important. Ideas and abstractions acquired an appearance of reality, the conceptual replaced the real, with the result that man now lives in a verbal world, crowded with words and dominated by words.
Obviously, for dealing with things and people words are exceedingly useful. But they make us live in a world totally symbolic and, therefore, unreal. To break out from this prison of the verbal mind into reality, one must be able to shift one’s focus from the word to what it refers to, the thing itself.
Words are pointers, they show the direction but they will not come along with us. Truth is the fruit of earnest action, words merely point the way.

Maurice Frydman

GiPe1OiKQuk

[Ba-ba-Ra]

The mind was originally a tool in the struggle for biological survival. It had to learn that the laws and ways of Nature working hand-in-hand can raise life to a higher level. But, in the process the mind acquired the art of symbolic thinking and communication, the art and skill of language. Words became important. Ideas and abstractions acquired an appearance of reality, the conceptual replaced the real, with the result that man now lives in a verbal world, crowded with words and dominated by words.
Obviously, for dealing with things and people words are exceedingly useful. But they make us live in a world totally symbolic and, therefore, unreal. To break out from this prison of the verbal mind into reality, one must be able to shift one’s focus from the word to what it refers to, the thing itself.
Words are pointers, they show the direction but they will not come along with us. Truth is the fruit of earnest action, words merely point the way.

Maurice Frydman

Yes, words have become too concrete - I often feel on this Forum that we become lost in semantics. We will focus on a word or two and lose the whole concept of what the person is saying in the process. It's like trying to define an architectural structure by focusing on a brick or two. It would be better IMO to look broader.

Perhaps we need to go back to: You Tarzan, me Jane. I think you get my point. Simple sentences with less words.

As for the human propensity to attack one another, and I agree it is there. I see it as the Ego self vying for attention and superiority and the only way it can see to get it is by making others lessor. I believe the more one understands the concept of "We are all ONE, yet unique" the less we will be willing to attack ourselves.

For example: Let's say each part of our body could think separately, but couldn't get far enough out to see it was all connected. Our hand would be saying: "I'm better than you because I have more dexterity" to the foot. And then reaching down and hurting the foot by scratching it, not being able to see that the foot is a part of it. Once we get at a deep sense that we're all One, I believe we would stop hurting a part of ourselves that appears different.

Regarding DNA: I believe we are all being prompted by the Universe to activate our DNA that has been tampered with and made useless - and it will happen.

[Delight]

In my opinion and experience words are a very low vibrational form of communication which can block higher vibration communications and can make it more difficult to merge with your true and complete self.

The whole brain is not limited to words but I love words and I love silence and I love words with music and the music without words. Can't we have it all?

Words by:
(Lennon/McCartney)

lsuSCwTdxOo

Words are flowing out like endless rain into a paper cup,
They slither while they pass, they slip away across the universe
Pools of sorrow, waves of joy are drifting through my open mind,
Possessing and caressing me.
Jai guru de va om
Nothing's gonna change my world,
Nothing's gonna change my world.

Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes,
That call me on and on across the universe,
Thoughts meander like a restless wind inside a letter box they
Tumble blindly as they make their way
Across the universe
Jai guru de va om
Nothing's gonna change my world,
Nothing's gonna change my world.

Sounds of laughter shades of earth are ringing
Through my open views inviting and inciting me
Limitless undying love which shines around me like a
Million suns, it calls me on and on
Across the universe
Jai guru de va om
Nothing's gonna change my world,
Nothing's gonna change my world.

[another bob]

As for the human propensity to attack one another, and I agree it is there. I see it as the Ego self vying for attention and superiority and the only way it can see to get it is by making others lessor. I believe the more one understands the concept of "We are all ONE, yet unique" the less we will be willing to attack ourselves.


I have come into this world to see this: all creatures hold hands as
we pass through this miraculous existence we share on the way
to even a greater being of soul,
a being of just ecstatic light, forever entwined and at play
with Him.
I have come into this world to hear this:
every song the earth has sung since it was conceived in
the Divine's womb and began spinning from
His wish,
every song by wing and fin and hoof,
every song by hill and field and tree and woman and child,
every song of stream and rock,
every song of tool and lyre and flute,
every song of gold and emerald
and fire,
every song the heart should cry with magnificent dignity
to know itself as
God:
for all other knowledge will leave us again in want and aching –
only imbibing the glorious Sun
will complete us.
I have come into this world to experience this:
men so true to love
they would rather die before speaking
an unkind word,
men so true their lives are His covenant –
the promise of hope.
I have come into this world to see this:
the sword drop from men's hands
even at the height of
their arc of rage
because we have finally realized
there is just one flesh
we can wound.


~Hafiz

[NancyV]

In my opinion and experience words are a very low vibrational form of communication which can block higher vibration communications and can make it more difficult to merge with your true and complete self.

The whole brain is not limited to words but I love words and I love silence and I love words with music and the music without words. Can't we have it all?


YES, we can have it ALL!

:kiss:

[Ernie Nemeth]

Very exciting topic. Long overdue.

When I was very young (4) I had an eye-opening experience. I learned my dad could lie to me. And in that moment I realized he was just a man, not a god as I had until then imagined him to be. From that I learned how to lie and that I was on my own in this world.

Some years later I had another experience that taught me that most people could not, would not, see a truth that they did not want to know. Regardless of the logic of the argument against their belief. I was ten.

From then on I continually found myself on the wrong (or right, depending on how you look at it) side of a wall of ignorance I could not seem to bridge with words. Later I realized it was because there were no words, no concepts, that could convey my ideas fully.

Later still, decades later, with a mounting frustration that was turning me bitter and pessimistic, I learned that it was possible to converse with the Source, God, the all-pervasive field, whatever you call it. That was such a monumental discovery. Being raised a Catholic, such a revelation was tantamount to heresay. Luckily by then I was not a believer in any religion and so I could afford to explore this wonderful knowledge.

And as the years passed, more and more books came out on esoteric subjects that began constructing a language of, what?, enlightenment, truth, reality, I don't know. It became easier to converse on subjects I knew a lot about but could never convey with lucidity to others.

And now, here we are, language and knowledge in hand, talking smoothly and effortlessly about a topic most do not even know exists.

I am honored to be at the forefront, the vangaurd, of a movement that just might change everything for the better.
I am uplifted, relieved, optimistic, humbled.
Thank you so much one and all!

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Welcome back Ernie, I've missed you. Were you gone - or were we just floating on different threads? No matter.

Awakening can sometimes be a lonely path, but eventually the loneliness becomes blessed solitude - and then the realization we were never truly alone. Many are beginning to stir in their sleep now and we must remember to have compassion for all with the understanding that had the many awoken too early, they would have been shaken, disoriented, feeling as you felt when you first realized your father could lie - that he wasn't a god.

Although your early realizations made life difficult at times to walk through a world still too harsh - how wonderful for the rest that you volunteered to walk that path before the many and in that way can now be a loving and compassionate teacher for those just beginning to see.

And isn't it wonderful that we have found companions to explore this new territory together.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Ba-ba-ra:
Welcome back Ernie, I've missed you. Were you gone - or were we just floating on different threads? No matter.

In a moment of insanity, I left the forum, it is true - unsubscribed even. It was not one of my proudest moments. I regretted it almost immediately. On the other hand, it had to be done or I would have caused even greater turmoil than I did by leaving. Some cannot forgive me. But I am not living their lives, I am living mine. And I can still hold my head up high, so there. :p

And yes, it is absolutely grand to have companions on this sometimes lonely path. But the lonliness was just ignorance of a greater truth...
And here I am, doing it all again, despite the embarrassment caused by a moment of misidentification with the Slitheren or Archons or parasites or whatever you want to call them.

I should also mention that I have uncovered these entities, for lack of a better word, around my own aura. They seem to always be at right angles to my awareness, slipping sideways past my peripheral vision - slippery, oily and black, secretive. They deposit thoughts into my mind in such a way that I believe it is my own thoughts. But lately, I have caught myself thinking their thoughts and quickly say to myself, "These are not my thoughts!". I find myself uttering those words dozens of times each day. It seems most of my thoughts have not been my own for quite a while now. Thus all the problems and trials and tribulations I have had to endure.

[another bob]

I should also mention that I have uncovered these entities, for lack of a better word, around my own aura. They seem to always be at right angles to my awareness, slipping sideways past my peripheral vision - slippery, oily and black, secretive. They deposit thoughts into my mind in such a way that I believe it is my own thoughts. But lately, I have caught myself thinking their thoughts and quickly say to myself, "These are not my thoughts!". I find myself uttering those words dozens of times each day. It seems most of my thoughts have not been my own for quite a while now. Thus all the problems and trials and tribulations I have had to endure.

"The grand trick of those sorcerers of ancient times was to burden the flyers' mind with discipline. Sorcerers found out that if they taxed the flyers' mind with inner silence, the foreign installation would flee, and give any one of the practitioners involved in this maneuver the total certainty of the mind's foreign origin." ~Don Juan


:yo:

[songsfortheotherkind]

I see a little bit how your looking at this multy verse. I'm still exploring were all this went wrong. and thank you for your input. I will leave you now with this offering from the land of OZ.

Snhgv9BQCAw

John XXX :cool: :tape:

Max is actually in real life someone I know and care about, we live near each other and I've been privy to some of his more empassioned raves. I got to meet another beautiful and inspired Being through him that also has had a big impact on my life. Max is a Being that is indeed striving to bring his personal Sui Generis as fully into the world as he can- we often disagree about things *and* he's the real deal when it comes to putting his passion and perspective into the mix. I love him as a Being and as a friend and absolutely support his Sui Generis, even when what he's saying- or the way he is saying it- is royally pissing me off. :)


forgive my humble atempt to add any bit of my essence to the thread, sorry.

*shakes head* So, are you suggesting that all the points I was making are my way of rejecting you as a Being and that I was rejecting your personal perspective? To make things clear- if I was going to do that, I would have privately PMed you and requested that we didn't communicate because I didn't want to engage with you. simple. I'm like that. I don't think that issues of simply not being one another's cup of tea needs to be played out in public- personally I can't see any reason to do this that doesn't smell dodgy to me, but that's my personal perspective, I do a lot of things in the private because I have a perspective on 'public' and 'private' that is different from many. So if I thought we were unable to communicate, I would deal with that privately.

There are, to me, worlds of difference between endeavouring to communicate some issues within a communication and telling someone to naff off. I have some issues with what I experience as being some fundamental errors of assumption about having a shared perspective on some matters when we actually do not. These assumptions create a false idea of having a shared platform from which further discussion can spring. The idea of further discussions is not in error; what is erroneous is the idea that we are speaking from the same perspective of the hologram. I needed to clarify *first* the issues with the errors of assumption, so that a mutually understood platform of communication could be created; this I have found to be really crucial in avoiding *further* errors of assumption further down the line. Assumption, I have personally experienced, is one of the poorest platforms there are to base communications on. One of, not *the* worst. I personally have found that I don't like the mess allowing assumption in the beginning creates, particularly further down the line.

Here are some things possibly discovered about me through the course of this round of establishing platforms whereby we can actually create some communication: I do not respond in agreement with assumption. I state clearly that I do not agree, and why. I ask clearly for a shift in assumption. Some assumptions that did not turn out to be accurate about me: that I would agree with the concept of Void as a positive experience; that I would find the concept of silence, non-communication, non-evolution, living in Void appealing and something to aspire to; that I would agree that 'the words' were in themselves inherently corrupt and needed to be done away with; that 'fallen angels' are both 'lower' (4-D) manifestations and engage in deception; that I accept without rebuttal the viewpoints of others when these are presented as globalised, 'we', 'everything' and 'everyone' kinds of viewpoints.

It has been my personal experience that it helps other individuals in their experience of me to know that these are things that are not true of me and that I will back off from progressing any further in communication until a clearer platform has been created. This is not unimportant to me: if I feel I cannot participate in communication because there appears to be inbuilt flaws in the initial parameters, or if these arise further down the track, then I will stop things at that point and clarify where I'm experiencing the dissonance, see if new or recrafted platforms that are more robust and embracive can be created. I'm not one for slogging on with crappy tools and even crappier results.

I hope this helps clarify further.

[PurpleLama]

I'd sum that up as "you never know who is on the other side of the keyboard."

[another bob]

I'd sum that up as "you never know who is on the other side of the keyboard."


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[songsfortheotherkind]

Indeed, this human proclivity to turn on one another with violence actually came from the Anu side of the family....

bloody hell, PurpleLama, how the hell did this one slip past me at the time??

I really want to start having the Anunnaki/Anun conversations, that's for sure.

[songsfortheotherkind]

I'm working on my Songs of the Mythos at the moment, all about the histories I was born with: it has led me into interesting explorations regarding the mythos of this current planetary paradigm, and how the mythos itself informs, controls and directs the energy of all things.

How can a planetary society, where the foundational mythos is that of 'dominate or be dominated, predator/prey', ever evolve in any interesting way?

Time to shift the mythos. :)