Don’t talk to aliens!

[John Parslow]

Hello just read this article on line and thought it may provoke some response:


From The Sunday Times April 25, 2010
Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking by Jonathan Leake

THE aliens are out there and Earth had better watch out, at least according to Stephen Hawking. He has suggested that extraterrestrials are almost certain to exist — but that instead of seeking them out, humanity should be doing all it that can to avoid any contact.
The suggestions come in a new documentary series in which Hawking, one of the world’s leading scientists, will set out his latest thinking on some of the universe’s greatest mysteries.
Alien life, he will suggest, is almost certain to exist in many other parts of the universe: not just in planets, but perhaps in the centre of stars or even floating in interplanetary space.
Hawking’s logic on aliens is, for him, unusually simple. The universe, he points out, has 100 billion galaxies, each containing hundreds of millions of stars. In such a big place, Earth is unlikely to be the only planet where life has evolved.
“To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational,” he said. “The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like.”
The answer, he suggests, is that most of it will be the equivalent of microbes or simple animals — the sort of life that has dominated Earth for most of its history.
One scene in his documentary for the Discovery Channel shows herds of two-legged herbivores browsing on an alien cliff-face where they are picked off by flying, yellow lizard-like predators. Another shows glowing fluorescent aquatic animals forming vast shoals in the oceans thought to underlie the thick ice coating Europa, one of the moons of Jupiter.
Such scenes are speculative, but Hawking uses them to lead on to a serious point: that a few life forms could be intelligent and pose a threat. Hawking believes that contact with such a species could be devastating for humanity.
He suggests that aliens might simply raid Earth for its resources and then move on: “We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn’t want to meet. I imagine they might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonise whatever planets they can reach.”
He concludes that trying to make contact with alien races is “a little too risky”. He said: “If aliens ever visit us, I think the outcome would be much as when Christopher Columbus first landed in America, which didn’t turn out very well for the Native Americans.”
The completion of the documentary marks a triumph for Hawking, now 68, who is paralysed by motor neurone disease and has very limited powers of communication. The project took him and his producers three years, during which he insisted on rewriting large chunks of the script and checking the filming.
John Smithson, executive producer for Discovery, said: “He wanted to make a programme that was entertaining for a general audience as well as scientific and that’s a tough job, given the complexity of the ideas involved.”
Hawking has suggested the possibility of alien life before but his views have been clarified by a series of scientific breakthroughs, such as the discovery, since 1995, of more than 450 planets orbiting distant stars, showing that planets are a common phenomenon.
So far, all the new planets found have been far larger than Earth, but only because the telescopes used to detect them are not sensitive enough to detect Earth-sized bodies at such distances.
Another breakthrough is the discovery that life on Earth has proven able to colonise its most extreme environments. If life can survive and evolve there, scientists reason, then perhaps nowhere is out of bounds.
Hawking’s belief in aliens places him in good scientific company. In his recent Wonders of the Solar System BBC series, Professor Brian Cox backed the idea, too, suggesting Mars, Europa and Titan, a moon of Saturn, as likely places to look.
Similarly, Lord Rees, the astronomer royal, warned in a lecture earlier this year that aliens might prove to be beyond human understanding.
“I suspect there could be life and intelligence out there in forms we can’t conceive,” he said. “Just as a chimpanzee can’t understand quantum theory, it could be there are aspects of reality that are beyond the capacity of our brains.”

John Parslow

[Etherios]

A bit old news ... personaly i think this is an attempt to scare ppl about aliens ...

[blue777]

Hello just read this article on line and thought it may provoke some response:


From The Sunday Times April 25, 2010
Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking by Jonathan Leake

THE aliens are out there and Earth had better watch out, at least according to Stephen Hawking. He has suggested that extraterrestrials are almost certain to exist — but that instead of seeking them out, humanity should be doing all it that can to avoid any contact.
The suggestions come in a new documentary series in which Hawking, one of the world’s leading scientists, will set out his latest thinking on some of the universe’s greatest mysteries.
Alien life, he will suggest, is almost certain to exist in many other parts of the universe: not just in planets, but perhaps in the centre of stars or even floating in interplanetary space.
Hawking’s logic on aliens is, for him, unusually simple. The universe, he points out, has 100 billion galaxies, each containing hundreds of millions of stars. In such a big place, Earth is unlikely to be the only planet where life has evolved.
“To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational,” he said. “The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like.”
The answer, he suggests, is that most of it will be the equivalent of microbes or simple animals — the sort of life that has dominated Earth for most of its history.
One scene in his documentary for the Discovery Channel shows herds of two-legged herbivores browsing on an alien cliff-face where they are picked off by flying, yellow lizard-like predators. Another shows glowing fluorescent aquatic animals forming vast shoals in the oceans thought to underlie the thick ice coating Europa, one of the moons of Jupiter.
Such scenes are speculative, but Hawking uses them to lead on to a serious point: that a few life forms could be intelligent and pose a threat. Hawking believes that contact with such a species could be devastating for humanity.
He suggests that aliens might simply raid Earth for its resources and then move on: “We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn’t want to meet. I imagine they might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonise whatever planets they can reach.”
He concludes that trying to make contact with alien races is “a little too risky”. He said: “If aliens ever visit us, I think the outcome would be much as when Christopher Columbus first landed in America, which didn’t turn out very well for the Native Americans.”
The completion of the documentary marks a triumph for Hawking, now 68, who is paralysed by motor neurone disease and has very limited powers of communication. The project took him and his producers three years, during which he insisted on rewriting large chunks of the script and checking the filming.
John Smithson, executive producer for Discovery, said: “He wanted to make a programme that was entertaining for a general audience as well as scientific and that’s a tough job, given the complexity of the ideas involved.”
Hawking has suggested the possibility of alien life before but his views have been clarified by a series of scientific breakthroughs, such as the discovery, since 1995, of more than 450 planets orbiting distant stars, showing that planets are a common phenomenon.
So far, all the new planets found have been far larger than Earth, but only because the telescopes used to detect them are not sensitive enough to detect Earth-sized bodies at such distances.
Another breakthrough is the discovery that life on Earth has proven able to colonise its most extreme environments. If life can survive and evolve there, scientists reason, then perhaps nowhere is out of bounds.
Hawking’s belief in aliens places him in good scientific company. In his recent Wonders of the Solar System BBC series, Professor Brian Cox backed the idea, too, suggesting Mars, Europa and Titan, a moon of Saturn, as likely places to look.
Similarly, Lord Rees, the astronomer royal, warned in a lecture earlier this year that aliens might prove to be beyond human understanding.
“I suspect there could be life and intelligence out there in forms we can’t conceive,” he said. “Just as a chimpanzee can’t understand quantum theory, it could be there are aspects of reality that are beyond the capacity of our brains.”

John Parslow

Consciousness is Infinite,intelligence is infinite, therefore intelligent life has to exist on many levels...dimensions ..harmonics, but can only be proven by us if we actually see them in reality as some aspects of reality may be beyond our capacity of our brain

[Celine]

Dont talk to them....Love them

imagine holding..caressing them


We are are Love.

[Agape]

We've had the discussion here already, some time ago, in this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1507-Stephen-Hawking-says-quot-Don-t-talk-to-Aliens-quot) ,

and , in the meantime...Prof Hawkings views provoked even Dr Greer releasing short response :

http://www.disclosureproject.org/email-update-april-27-2010-response-to-hawking.shtml


:becky:


Of course, even 'aliens' need to be hugged ...


:grouphug:

[illuminate]

Dont talk to them....Love them

imagine holding..caressing them


We are are Love.

:love:


Of course, even 'aliens' need to be hugged ...

you bet they do!!!! :hug:

[Kra]

personaly i think this is an attempt to scare ppl about aliens ...
That's exactly what it is, without any shame.
It is our right to interact with the whole universe and with other beings.
Soon...

[Kent Fallman]

I cant understand why Stephen Hawking should say this. I wasnt expecting this from him.

[Celine]

Because he is aware...and he is scared.

[kinsuemei2]

Stephen Hawking spent the best part of the 90s and early 2000's promoting communication, and has been heralded as a great man, and brilliant mind, but his don't talk to Aliens is based on his theory, and theory alone, I don't believe he has any insider information, but is going on intellect and reasoning. However... it should also occur to Hawking that brilliant men usually jump the furthest after they have fallen, Einstein made more mistakes than most and he was driven in the end by competition and I believe he cut corners in some aspects. Not looking into the equation he said was a mistake which then turned out to be actuate and we still don't understand it fully the 4th or 5th I can't actually remember but very interesting.

[Celine]

Done believe everything you read Ben

[Fredkc]

Of course, even 'aliens' need to be hugged ...
I dunno, actually. Last time I was "hugged" by an alien, I found myself laying on a white table, in a white room, surrounded by all-white people, and it felt like everything in my body was laying on the table beside me, everyone busily at work. She leaned over me and said, "Don't worry, you're just being re-wired. Go back to sleep."

Now, ready for the part that still scares me?
I simply said, "Oh, ok." and did just what I was told.

Fred

PS: this was roughly 1980

[Agape]

I dunno, actually. Last time I was "hugged" by an alien, I found myself laying on a white table, in a white room, surrounded by all-white people, and it felt like everything in my body was laying on the table beside me, everyone busily at work. She leaned over me and said, "Don't worry, you're just being re-wired. Go back to sleep."

Now, ready for the part that still scares me?
I simply said, "Oh, ok." and did just what I was told.

Fred

PS: this was roughly 1980


Oh, I'm sorry , that does not fit to the 'being hugged' category for me. I understand what you mean though. Did you feel you are in 'good hands' ?

I think that hugs as any other form of love require mutual affection and wishes .

When I was to be 'hugged' ( roughly in the same years ) by some family aunties I usually started to cry before or shortly after and run to hide myself behind mum.


:hug:

[Arpheus]

Ok i am not gonna say to trust the ets if they ever attempt to show up in mass,wich i am unsure it will ever happen,but scientists like hawkins are pure intelect/mind based individuals,their science is solely based on most cases of theories backed up my more theories,lets face it guys,when it comes to the universe stars galaxies and so on NO SCIENTIST,knows jack thats a fact and you know it,the more they find out the less they realize they know anything about those subjects,and that includes stephen hawkins,he isnt different than any other astrologer physicist/scientist out there.Bottom line is dont listen to them they are just as clueless as we are heh.

'Trust your heart and your heart alone'
Thats my motto it never failed me to this day !!:bounce:

[Fredkc]

Hi Agape;
Yeah, I may have taken license with the term ;)
There is a bit of difference between a hug, and finding yourself "in someone's embrace".

What happened may have been purely mental, physical, something in between or simply an event beyond comprehension which I put physicality to, trying to comprehend my surroundings.

I do remember that the first notion I had after, "What the hell????" was that feeling you get when you first realize you are injured, or very vulnerable - the impulse to freeze, and not move, lest you make something worse.

Did I feel I was in "safe" hands? I felt I was in competent hands, and at the same time, while I felt this wouldn't have taken place hadn't I put myself on certain paths, it probably wasn't something "they" could have talked everyday me into, willingly, either.

While I felt no pain or discomfort in any way, I would have to classify it more alongside say.... your parents taking you to have wisdom teeth pulled. Yup, it may have been needed, but nope; I sure wouldn't have walked in and volunteered.

Neither did I get the impression any kind of malice was intended.

Fred

[Caren]

Hi Fred,
Thank you for sharing your interesting experience. I applaud you for your honesty. You are brave and I for
one admire you for that. I'm sure I'm not the only one who is thinking this right now.
Love and blessings to you Fred :)
caren

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Was it David Bowie whom sang "Loving the Alien"? We can hug each other, hug a tree, hug a pug, the last time i tried to hug a small grey dude it squirmed out of my grasp, circa 1979, previously detailed facility LOL

[pimpom]

That's absurd, let's say theres alien and let's say they are more intellegent then we are. That means they must have existed thousands of years longer then we, and therefor they must have a community of harmony or peace (as it's the only way to live longer then we have - we might live a hundred years more in this type of community but that's it), that means the idea of "raping" us is not really their agenda for "attacking" us - and like they don't have the technique to really not be that dependence on material things?.

[MiguelQ]

Ok i am not gonna say to trust the ets if they ever attempt to show up in mass,wich i am unsure it will ever happen,...why you it wont be mass visual contact?

[Arpheus]

To be honest miguel,i dont think most people are ready for such thing,there is only a small amount of people who would probably handle the thing in a good way,i have this feeling it would be chaos all over,for most people would mean the end of the way they live their lives and the end of their world as they know it,heck look at the orson wells invasion from mars thing back in the day,was a joke and there was mass panic everywhere,and i dont believe it was a joke to be honest i think it was a test to see how people would react heh,now if they showed up after this whole system we are all slaves to collapsed then i believe maybe the outcome would be a little more positive,but no one will really know until it actually does happen,that is if it ever happens.It could be possible that the good ets arent allowed to ever show up in mass and that they can only observe us?

[Agape]

Hi Agape;
Yeah, I may have taken license with the term ;)
There is a bit of difference between a hug, and finding yourself "in someone's embrace".

What happened may have been purely mental, physical, something in between or simply an event beyond comprehension which I put physicality to, trying to comprehend my surroundings.

I do remember that the first notion I had after, "What the hell????" was that feeling you get when you first realize you are injured, or very vulnerable - the impulse to freeze, and not move, lest you make something worse.

Did I feel I was in "safe" hands? I felt I was in competent hands, and at the same time, while I felt this wouldn't have taken place hadn't I put myself on certain paths, it probably wasn't something "they" could have talked everyday me into, willingly, either.

While I felt no pain or discomfort in any way, I would have to classify it more alongside say.... your parents taking you to have wisdom teeth pulled. Yup, it may have been needed, but nope; I sure wouldn't have walked in and volunteered.

Neither did I get the impression any kind of malice was intended.

Fred



Thank you Fred for sharing your experience , the way you describe it sounds very honest to me and as I've said , familiar to me as well.

I've had few such minor encounters , usually at night , when I found myself being carried somewhere or 'in hands' of some beings who I knew were not human ,

and so I can relate to what you speak about . Yet, at times, I could feel so much love from them ( non physical but intense feeling ) that I never felt the same way from any human being .

I always wished that even the feeling itself would simply stay with me forever ..


I agree to that even some of these experiences/encounters are virtually harmless and non invasive ,
depending often on each individuals mind set how he reacts to the 'visitors' , and it can differ even in matter of particular day or place being good for such meeting..

they still tend to carry highly sensitivizing element and emotional exposure to the fact that we are not alone YET being left alone , possibly with supervision, with help coming in need , maybe, maybe not, emotional uncertainity and many other factors one has to deal with afterwards.


:hug:

[Etherios]

Agape your avatar scares me i wont talk to you ... you might be a scary mean human eating alien... pff I am more afraid of the human like so called "leaders" that guide us to doom.

[Agape]

Agape your avatar scares me i wont talk to you ... you might be a scary mean human eating alien... pff I am more afraid of the human like so called "leaders" that guide us to doom.

That's really sad Etherios , you know what , most advanced intelligencies in Universe find the idea of eating corpses of other beings totally disgusting,
it's tollerated with poor humans in emergency situation, stranded here on this planet, crying in agony, eating their own children ..
But truely, blame your own civilisation for centuries over-indulgence in animal hormons for its hard to control aggressivity .

:wub:

[Celine]

i find your avatar beautiful Eva...

and well to be honest...i feel you more in your avatar then your profile pic...

[Tuza]

Was it David Bowie whom sang "Loving the Alien"? We can hug each other, hug a tree, hug a pug, the last time i tried to hug a small grey dude it squirmed out of my grasp, circa 1979, previously detailed facility LOL

Oooh, how sweet Barry, I would have liked a cuddle too. Maybe next time we will telepathically ask for a cuddle please, then picture it in our mind to them and then say is that okay, can I have a cuddle please.

[Tuza]

i find your avatar beautiful Eva...

and well to be honest...i feel you more in your avatar then your profile pic...



I have always felt a lot of love for Eva's original avatar as well Celine and I felt the same way you do with her avatar.

BTW guys having a lot of trouble logging in and posting, everytime I do I go to some google cannot access this site. Double groan. When I post it does the same thing. Groan again.

[Celine]

Avatars sometimes say alot about a person.

i have asked richard about your problem, it seems you are not he only one...they are looking into it

[norman]

BTW guys having a lot of trouble logging in and posting, everytime I do I go to some google cannot access this site. Double groan. When I post it does the same thing. Groan again.




As you are in OZ I wonder if it's something to do with the Australian version of internet law. I heard a few months back that they have adopted a very restrictive policy that nearly equals that of China. It even allowes for hefty fines for having just a link to a 'banned' site!

[Arpheus]

I was having trouble earlier,couldn't find the site was odd!

[Agape]

i find your avatar beautiful Eva...

and well to be honest...i feel you more in your avatar then your profile pic...


Thank you Ceiline, i'm comfortable with the picture because it reminds me of the original reality of our selves. It's just a picture and I've never seen genuine ET photograph yet ( without human cover lol ) but see what next few centuries will enable us ?
Current human technologies are sensitive to very limited range of frequencies and information fields , I'm not sure we are able to photograph them at all.
At least those very advanced races of beings who still have bodies, like we do, but they're oscillating at higher vibrational levels than our technologies are set on.

Another 'tiny' technical problem to solve .


If I use my own picture I'll keep it on for few days then start to dislike looking at it :sarcastic:

...


I could not open this thread earlier either, it showed error.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Agape your avatar scares me i wont talk to you ... you might be a scary mean human eating alien... pff I am more afraid of the human like so called "leaders" that guide us to doom.

:rockon::rockon:LOL then you would not wish to see some ETs in their true form

[777]

Thank you Ceiline, i'm comfortable with the picture because it reminds me of the original reality of our selves. It's just a picture and I've never seen genuine ET photograph yet ( without human cover lol ) but see what next few centuries will enable us ?
Current human technologies are sensitive to very limited range of frequencies and information fields , I'm not sure we are able to photograph them at all.
At least those very advanced races of beings who still have bodies, like we do, but they're oscillating at higher vibrational levels than our technologies are set on.

Another 'tiny' technical problem to solve .


If I use my own picture I'll keep it on for few days then start to dislike looking at it :sarcastic:

...


I could not open this thread earlier either, it showed error.

I'm finding a lot of threads the same. Removing the % sign in the adress bar works every time though, just a bit annoying.

BTW thanks for sharing that experience fred, amazing.

[Agape]

One thing I've understood earlier about human mind ( brain ) and some studies of brain imagery concerned with different ethnic ( racial ) archetypes concur to it,

is that since earliest childhood while we are brought up in the middle of certain racial group ,

our brain slowly builds firm archetypal image of how 'people' look like , or should look like.

It is very interesting phenomenon.

Many people living in uniform societies ( of any kind ), be it aboriginee tribes, white people, black people, asians etc., who never met before individual of other ethnicity react to the first meeting with such stranger with awe, sometimes they panick , feel fear or similar inadequate reactions.

Sometimes their brain misreacts totally and they think they've seen 'ghost', 'an alien', 'monster' etc.

It happens frequently to small children or as I've said, people living in close ethincs who did not come to contact with another tribes or people for very long time.


Our brain ( if healthy functioning ) has an unbuilt archetypal image of people we are used to , it memorizes certain archetype and then learns to discern between various individuals,
starts quite in craddle with recognizing papa, mama, grannies etc., then others, strangers and so on,
thus a specific memory for members of 'ones own tribe is built'.


Often, and I've had the experience myself later in life, if one encounters different 'tribe' or race of people and lives among them, since their 'image' and archetype was not inbuilt previously ,

one tends to mix different individuals more often, i.e. has more difficulty to discern between those who look 'similar' and 'memorize' those individuals
than with members of ones own ethnic.


The same thing happens almost without mistake the first moment when you see an ET ( live ) .

Usually, the first moment I mean, one tends to see the being as he is but few moments later, brain panicks and starts replacing the image not known to him by other type of similar images offered from memory of known archetypes.

I think it's one reason why we are sometimes seeing ETs disguised in known to us forms , in dreams for example, simply because we are not used to them and our brain fails to proceed the picture .


:panda:

[Tuza]

:rockon::rockon:LOL then you would not wish to see some ETs in their true form

LOL Barry, you crack me up sometimes hon.

[kinsuemei2]

Perhaps you could tell me what I got wrong celine?.. and I believe Aliens are like people you take your chances either way, if your confronted with something bad, loving it WON'T help, Example a Buddhisht in Thailand said he was so filled with love and light and he was so pure that he could be put in a cage with two Burmese Tigers, hungry ones, well he lasted all of 30 seconds before he was killed and eaten.. but I am sure he loved those tigers.

[Celine]

It is not up to me to decide what is wrong for you..

if i gave that impression i am sorry ben.

Again i ask..

why does the victim most of the time still love the abuser?

Love is a state of being.

Doesnt mean you dont get angry... doesnt mean you dont feel pain.

Love is not desire...

[greybeard]

It is not up to me to decide what is wrong for you..

if i gave that impression i am sorry ben.

Again i ask..

why does the victim most of the time still love the abuser?

Love is a state of being.

Doesnt mean you dont get angry... doesnt mean you dont feel pain.

Love is not desire...

Agree very much love just is but Jesus warned against sheep in wolves clothing.
To begin with there is no discernment but as the third eye opens there is love with awareness.
And I know you have that awareness Celine my friend.
It is accepted that lions see humans as meat most of the time there has been genuine exceptions.
We dont condemn lions for eating meat, thats what they do.
The lion may yet lie down with the lamb.
We can but hope Ets are hug able Laughing.
Lions and Tigers I wouldn't
Love Chris

[Etherios]

i really hope that ppl didnt misunderstand me ... i was being sarcastic. pointing that the fear they try to implement is pointless and contact is going to happen whether they gain from it or not. Eventually we will be freed from these human-like monsters that think they own planet earth (just to be safe ... i am talking about the PTB not the ETs.)

[Agape]

Oh , I think we are just back at the benevolent versus malevolent ETs debate , and it's not an easy problematics to solve , neither it's all just black&white, far more complicater than this ,
more than we can contain in few words,

not meant to you the slightest Etherios , I understand it was but a joke.

I don't have time and energy to comment on everything but questions addressed to me I will try to answer ,

:hug:

[Fredkc]

LOL then you would not wish to see some ETs in their true form
Barry;
I've seen the wife in red & green striped jammies. the kind with the feet in'em, and her hair in curlers.

Whatever ya got... bring it on!
Fred


neither is it all just black&white, far more complicated than this
It seems theres little talk about the notion of dispassionate curiosity.

Actually, the thing which I keep coming back to, an equalizer if you will;
Whatever their place, and lot they are here too. So they must also have a need, or seek an understanding, just as we do.
No, maybe not shared ones. But they're here, aren't they?

[Agape]

It seems theres little talk about the notion of dispassionate curiosity.

Actually, the thing which I keep coming back to, an equalizer if you will;
Whatever their place, and lot they are here too. So they must also have a need, or seek an understanding, just as we do.
No, maybe not shared ones. But they're here, aren't they?

Dispassionate curiosity equals heroic deed these days . Since we all have been hurt and deceived so many times that we've lost our believes,

ETs in humans , humans in ETs, guess we all feel sometimes we need a break ,

yet, there's so little time..

We all seek understanding , understanding is what binds us together , the ultimate snap of neural connections,

it's probably all worth the click...


It can feel as if the dimensions are transcending each other but we have to allow them to do this.

All depends on our agreement .

When we say no, it goes away as quickly as it came. To hold the frequency to the knowledge and communication can be the most difficult ..