The Great Cycle and Cosmic Events 2012 by Pane Andov

[WhiteFeather]

I am posting this video to Avalon because i have felt all here should hear the words of Mr Asralwalker/Pane Andov. I have listened to this video numerous times, and it all makes sense with connecting many dots. Im sure you will agree. Very interesting video to say the least.

1. Crop Circles
2. The Great Cycle which occurs every 29,520 years.
3 Why we should be spiritually centered right now.
4. The flower of life and its meaning/purpose from the ancient civilizations.

If you feel you need to leave a negative comment or simply just Troll, please find another Thread that suits you. I would respect your wishes, so please respect mine. Wanishi and Enjoy!


Here's A Magnificent presentation by Pane "AstralWalker" Andov about the mega event that will take place at the end of year 2012 and beginning of the 2013. He explains that thousands of years ago from the galactic centre of the Milky Way, there was a powerful release of an enormous amount of energy, which like a huge, shining, circular wave is spreading across the galaxy from its centre to its edges. The released energetic pulse is already affecting the whole galaxy including the little dot we call our solar system. Very soon it will reach us and hit us with full strength. He explains what kind of implications this spreading wave of energy will have on our solar system, especially to our star and our planet and how it will affect the DNA of life. The way that Pane connects the dots makes it clear what our planet will face soon and what we as humans can do about it. He is also a contactee and delivers important messages which he backs up with scientific data. For the record, his DNA was changed when his biological body was only seven years old, enabling him to utilize abilities such telepathy, remote viewing, astral travel and to make contact. He claims that from time to time numerous ET races communicate and deliver important messages to him as a result of alternations to his DNA in early childhood. One of those races is the positive race that is delivering the genuine crop circles, and they explained to him what the complex geometries mean. That's how Pane was able to translate the complex geometric designs which contain the solution to the equation regarding what humanity is facing, when it's going to happen and what can be done about it.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q2Du_DkKbo

[STATIC]

Thanks for that whitefeather.

What an epic presentation.

His website is also worth a good look.... http://paneandov.com/

Also here is a link to his pdf "2012 Equation Solved" http://www.box.com/shared/1hvnjrfd26


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[lisalu]

WOW. thanks for that one White Feather. I recently listened to an interview of him by Lisa Harrison , this one was easier to understand. It connects some dots for me, but leaves me feeling rather hopeless. I'm not sure I understood him at the end. Was he saying that all of humanity needed to be at that point in meditation or what? I don't see that happening. I guess time will tell. I sure liked the crop circle information though.And what he said about eating meat.....lots to think about....it brought back those books Drunvalo Melchizedek wrote, The Flower of Life I believe it was. hmmmmm.......
thanks again, Llisa

[WhiteFeather]

WOW. thanks for that one White Feather. I recently listened to an interview of him by Lisa Harrison , this one was easier to understand. It connects some dots for me, but leaves me feeling rather hopeless. I'm not sure I understood him at the end. Was he saying that all of humanity needed to be at that point in meditation or what? I don't see that happening. I guess time will tell. I sure liked the crop circle information though.And what he said about eating meat.....lots to think about....it brought back those books Drunvalo Melchizedek wrote, The Flower of Life I believe it was. hmmmmm.......
thanks again, Llisa

Don't feel hopeless, we the awakened ones will protect Gaia with the flower of life shield. There is hope for humanity, I'm sure. Hang in there and be Love. This is the key.

[gooty64]

I am strongly considering Pane Andov's message too! I have viewed his videos 3 or 4 times now. WORTH considering for sure.

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[WhiteFeather]

I am strongly considering Pane Andov's message too! I have viewed his videos 3 or 4 times now. WORTH considering for sure.

ndldVUUiVuw

His stuff is starting to stick to me Gooty,, glad your resonating too.

[Wind]

Watched the whole lecture yesterday. I'm glad that I am not the only one resonating with Pane. I have followed his work for a while now and the reason why I trust him is because he seems so calm. I get good vibes from him and I have eye for these kinds of things... I believe what he says is true, even the part that our Sun is transforming to a Red Giant in the end of this year. I contacted him via e-mail, I hope he responds to my questions.

When you are not afraid of death there is nothing to be afraid of.

[Alie]

I have been wondering what the point of joining a community, but perhaps part of it is in the coming together for a useful purpose, such as "the flower of life meditation", which according to Panov creates a protective shield for the earth against the galactic wave. I'm not sure how one does this ---

But here are some inspirational pictures from the video.

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[aranuk]

Thanks for that whitefeather.

What an epic presentation.

His website is also worth a good look.... http://paneandov.com/

Also here is a link to his pdf "2012 Equation Solved" http://www.box.com/shared/1hvnjrfd26


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Hi Static when I saw your link to his pdf I started to read and a few hours I had read all 234 pages. That kept me busy last night. It was worth the read. But I must say I have some reservations about us having to manifest the flower of life within 9 months. I cannot visualise when I meditate. So I will not be able to help much unless I can find a suitable prayer.

Stan

[aranuk]

I have been wondering what the point of joining a community, but perhaps part of it is in the coming together for a useful purpose, such as "the flower of life meditation", which according to Panov creates a protective shield for the earth against the galactic wave. I'm not sure how one does this ---

But here are some inspirational pictures from the video.

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Hi Alie he mentioned that the meditation for the planet starts at 7am Brisbane time every Saturday and lasts for an hour. All over the world we have to syncronise that time all over the world. I cannot visualise when I meditate so does that help? I can silence my mind and remain blank for only about 15 minutes. Seems an impossible task. I hope not. I hope there are enough people doing it. That pdf was made 2010 so presumably there have been lots of people doing it for a few years although this is the first time I have heard it.

Stan

Stan

[WhiteFeather]

Hope this helps and gives insight to the flower of life meditation. A Good listen here.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUxoOSyHL9E

[Alie]

Thanks Whitefeather --- I'll watch this video.

FYI --- Panov's "flower of life meditation": @ Sunday 7-8am brisbane time = Sunday 5-6am EST (when we're on daily standard time).

[STATIC]

Thanks for that whitefeather.

What an epic presentation.

His website is also worth a good look.... http://paneandov.com/

Also here is a link to his pdf "2012 Equation Solved" http://www.box.com/shared/1hvnjrfd26


:bump:

Hi Static when I saw your link to his pdf I started to read and a few hours I had read all 234 pages. That kept me busy last night. It was worth the read. But I must say I have some reservations about us having to manifest the flower of life within 9 months. I cannot visualise when I meditate. So I will not be able to help much unless I can find a suitable prayer.

Stan

Hi stan
It is ok if you cannot visualize it. The most important part is to reconnect with the energy/intelligence of nature.
When you meditate give mother earth your fully concious support and love.
Tell her that you are thankful for the experience that she has provided to you and that you wish to move forward with her In unity and love.

:kiss:
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simple and powerful
tyler

[nenosema]

Pane Andov mentions in one of his texts Paul LaViolette's book Earth Under Fire. I found this Documentary by him, it's rather interesting....

Earth Under Fire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhco--m3JZ0)

[WhiteFeather]

Pane Andov mentions in one of his texts Paul LaViolette's book Earth Under Fire. I found this Documentary by him, it's rather interesting....

Earth Under Fire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhco--m3JZ0)

Ill check it out with the many other awesome videos i need to watch, i guess i aint leaving my house anytime soon.

[Wind]

I sent email to Pane ten days ago and he still hasn't replied. Does anyone here got a clue that how often he responds to his e-mail? I've been anxious to get some answers from him... :)

[WhiteFeather]

I sent email to Pane ten days ago and he still hasn't replied. Does anyone here got a clue that how often he responds to his e-mail? I've been anxious to get some answers from him... :)

Good question, Im sure he may respond asap when he comes back to this plane soon. LOL

[Sidney]

I am confused.

If we survive the wave by meditating a protective barrier, then nothing happens?

If we cant create the protective barrier, then we get fried, and if we don't fry then we endure the 5 year (at least) ice age that will follow the frying pan....

If we have the "I'm tired and want to go home" attitude, then we aren't ready, and won't ascend.

So, either way I'm screwed the way I see it.

I kind of feel like, if we aren't in the "everything is beautiful, we are all one" state of mind, then you know, sorry folks, welcome back to 3D again.:doh:

[Peace of Mind]

He was the main reason I joined this sight. I've been wanting to confirm a lot of things he (and others) are presenting, but I seem to be having a hard time getting in contact with these individuals. I have a few questions that no one has yet to ask them...

For our sake, I hope we all prevail and be set free from the clutches of the darkness...even thou my life has been grand and improving. I excell because I'm very analytical, foresight is a must. For instance, What do most of us see ourselves doing this time next year? I wonder when this day (12/21/2012) comes and passes (and if no supernatural events happen) will those people that were spreading this unproven info remain here....or will they move on/vanish and leave those that were blindly following in more confusion and discomfort. This is one of my main concerns...there isn't that many worse things to witness than observing the blind being lead a stray.

I'm just as intrigued as the next when it comes to this 2012 stuff. But, I'm way too caring and responsible to be messing with peoples mind... especially in these times when we need all of our minds in tact, sharp and firing on all cylinders. Some may view these people as hero's (no argument there), however, if they are phoney's...we will have lost alot of time and energy when that same time and energy could have been used to deal with all the negativity we already know about in the world. It seems to me people don't really care...but surprising to me, some of these people seem to think they deserve something they didn't help create or earned. If nothing happens, I truly wish we stay united and actually start working on solutions collectively...if we still have that opportunity.

Peace

[Wind]

Am I the only who has been craving more information from Pane Andov? He obviously has been really busy now, because he doesn't answer his mail anymore, or does he answer at all? I'm guessing that he is preparing his safe zone back in Australia. I know that here on Avalon there have been members who were contact with him, but is anyone anymore directly in contact with him?

To be honest, I don't think that there is anyone who would have more vital information than he does. At least he shares his information... There are of course few other people who I highly trust like Drunvalo and Dolores Cannon. Also Dr. Paul LaViolette has shared his scientific data.

Updates, there just can't be enough of them. I'm just really curious and I can't help it!

[Eram]

Am I the only who has been craving more information from Pane Andov? He obviously has been really busy now, because he doesn't answer his mail anymore, or does he answer at all? I'm guessing that he is preparing his safe zone back in Australia. I know that here on Avalon there have been members who were contact with him, but is anyone anymore directly in contact with him?

To be honest, I don't think that there is anyone who would have more vital information than he does. At least he shares his information... There are of course few other people who I highly trust like Drunvalo and Dolores Cannon. Also Dr. Paul LaViolette has shared his scientific data.

Updates, there just can't be enough of them. I'm just really curious and I can't help it!

Hi starseed,

Lately I came to believe that trying to get all the info and doing all the necessary meditations is the same thing as buying loads of food and battery's and build a deep underground bunker.
It's all about investing your energy in something outside of you.

This is the time to listen to the voices within you and I'm sure these voices aren't talking about doing all the meditations etc. so you wont miss the boat.
Can't you feel it?

Whatever is coming to us.... it will be great and we will thrive!

We just don't have the knowledge to understand how it will all unfold, but we just won't miss any boat.

for instance... there is this video that explains that the body will adapt to any sun flare or whatever that might occur.

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You see. There are so many things we just don't know or understand, but... within you , you can hear or feel it. Good times are coming our way.

[Eagle Eye]

Astralwalker was on PA (old forum) since 2008 and his thread 2012 Nexus Event was a masterpiece

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8441

[Wind]

Astralwalker was on PA (old forum) since 2008 and his thread 2012 Nexus Event was a masterpiece

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8441

Thanks, I am aware of it. Amazing stuff indeed... I have studied almost everything in his site too: paneandov.com

I just found out that Pane actually visited here in late 2010:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5648-Recent-work-from-Astral-Walker-regarding-2012/page2

For a while I thought moving to Australia when the time comes... But then again I think I just should be here where I live right now even I don't like it here. I am not afraid of death, but I am interested in Pane's theories about the safe zone. He has invested in it alot and I think for a reason. Sometimes I feel that I am at absolute peace with all this but sometimes I think that should I actually do something? Am I doing enough? I came here to aid mother Earth, but I always ask myself "Have I done enough to help myself and others?" I guess it's my weakness.

[Kindred]

I had watched Pane's videos a number of months ago and was 'impressed' with the knowledge he brought to the fore. That said, I wasn't exactly certain as to HOW humankind was going to develop our 'abilities' quickly enough to fend off this incoming wave of energy - the "Photon Belt".

It seemed to me that So Many of us were just not 'awake' sufficiently to be interested to learn what needs to be learned, or, for that matter, to do the necessary actions to achieve this 'shield' he discusses. I have, Just This Morning, 'come into the knowledge' as to the 'HOW'.

I don't know How or Why I received an invitation to the presentation by a Spiritual group named the 'Light Channels World Movement', under guru Guruji Krishnananda from a "Meetup" meditation group - I had Never subscribed to this group;
http://www.lightchannels.com/revolutionbylight.php

Just the same, I was up rather early, and found it in my e-mail inbox. It sounded Very Interesting, so I signed up, and planned on watching... NOW comes the Interesting part...

As I try to do every morning (at least when the sun is out) I meditate while lying in the sun (I have a large full window that faces East, and put out a small mattress to do just this)... this was just a bit before the presentation was aired.

I must tell you - I'm a real 'novice' in meditation... I've Never had Any 'training', Whatsoever! After getting settled, I stilled my mind, and, slowly, began to see a 'swirling, undulating' pattern of light... dark/light with a multitude of colors, that slowly transformed into a Beautiful Yellowish - Golden Light that Filled my sphere of vision!

I SAW THE LIGHT! IT WAS AMAZING! I HAD NEVER EXPERIENCED THIS BEFORE!

When I was done, it was Just before the presentation began. I pulled up the streaming video and watched... As I listened, it became apparent that this teacher/messenger (Guruji Krishnananda) is CONNECTED. He began to describe the Message he had been given by, what he calls, the 7 Sapta Rishi's.

These Masters passed TO HIM the information that, Beginning Today (05-07-2012), and Continuing until After December, they will be Bathing Earth In a Special Light that will allow Anyone to Simply Meditate, and they Will See The Light, and draw Love from Source - and I happened to Experience this JUST as the Guru suggested in his presentation!

I Know that I have manifested here for a Purpose... I'm still 'understanding' that Purpose, but there is Much more behind this statement than I'm able to fully divulge at this point.

However, I will say that my delving into this Spiritual endeavor began with my reading of Thiaoouba Prophecy. It is Apparent to me that the 7 Sapta Rishi's ARE the 7 Thaori described in Thiaoouba! (link to pdf:) http://www.lanuovaumanita.net/files/tp-typeset.pdf

I feel that these Higher Beings ARE ‘interceding’ on humanity’s behalf, and will Not Permit ANY wholesale destruction of Earth or Humanity. But, there will be ‘problems’ as described by Guruji Krishnananda. We need to remain in the spirit of Love, Forgiveness and Thankfulness. We will be given the help we need, But, We Must Open Our Hearts To Source/God, and Meditate to bring this Light into Our Being.
This will be the ‘HOW’

I don’t know if there will be a copy of the presentation available, but I hope so, as this message is So Important!

In Unity and Peace... and a New Earth!

[Wind]

Kindred, that information sounds amazing. Thanks for sharing with us! I too am a novice in meditation, but you just gave alot of enthusiams to practice it more from now on!

[Kindred]

I've just found the video... be aware... there's an advertisement before it begins... (darn! - I couldn't find a way to shut it off...)
http://www.lightchannels.com/livewebcast_video.html

(follow-up - there is also at least one other advertisement during the video.. click on the advert, it will open another window for the advert, and will also continue the presentation... but, you'll have to close the advert)

In Unity, Peace, and Love

[WhiteFeather]

I had watched Pane's videos a number of months ago and was 'impressed' with the knowledge he brought to the fore. That said, I wasn't exactly certain as to HOW humankind was going to develop our 'abilities' quickly enough to fend off this incoming wave of energy - the "Photon Belt".

It seemed to me that So Many of us were just not 'awake' sufficiently to be interested to learn what needs to be learned, or, for that matter, to do the necessary actions to achieve this 'shield' he discusses. I have, Just This Morning, 'come into the knowledge' as to the 'HOW'.

I don't know How or Why I received an invitation to the presentation by a Spiritual group named the 'Light Channels World Movement', under guru Guruji Krishnananda from a "Meetup" meditation group - I had Never subscribed to this group;
http://www.lightchannels.com/revolutionbylight.php

Just the same, I was up rather early, and found it in my e-mail inbox. It sounded Very Interesting, so I signed up, and planned on watching... NOW comes the Interesting part...

As I try to do every morning (at least when the sun is out) I meditate while lying in the sun (I have a large full window that faces East, and put out a small mattress to do just this)... this was just a bit before the presentation was aired.

I must tell you - I'm a real 'novice' in meditation... I've Never had Any 'training', Whatsoever! After getting settled, I stilled my mind, and, slowly, began to see a 'swirling, undulating' pattern of light... dark/light with a multitude of colors, that slowly transformed into a Beautiful Yellowish - Golden Light that Filled my sphere of vision!

I SAW THE LIGHT! IT WAS AMAZING! I HAD NEVER EXPERIENCED THIS BEFORE!

When I was done, it was Just before the presentation began. I pulled up the streaming video and watched... As I listened, it became apparent that this teacher/messenger (Guruji Krishnananda) is CONNECTED. He began to describe the Message he had been given by, what he calls, the 7 Sapta Rishi's.

These Masters passed TO HIM the information that, Beginning Today (08-07-2012), and Continuing until After December, they will be Bathing Earth In a Special Light that will allow Anyone to Simply Meditate, and they Will See The Light, and draw Love from Source - and I happened to Experience this JUST as the Guru suggested in his presentation!

I Know that I have manifested here for a Purpose... I'm still 'understanding' that Purpose, but there is Much more behind this statement than I'm able to fully divulge at this point.

However, I will say that my delving into this Spiritual endeavor began with my reading of Thiaoouba Prophecy. It is Apparent to me that the 7 Sapta Rishi's ARE the 7 Thaori described in Thiaoouba! (link to pdf:) http://www.lanuovaumanita.net/files/tp-typeset.pdf

I feel that these Higher Beings ARE ‘interceding’ on humanity’s behalf, and will Not Permit ANY wholesale destruction of Earth or Humanity. But, there will be ‘problems’ as described by Guruji Krishnananda. We need to remain in the spirit of Love, Forgiveness and Thankfulness. We will be given the help we need, But, We Must Open Our Hearts To Source/God, and Meditate to bring this Light into Our Being.
This will be the ‘HOW’

I don’t know if there will be a copy of the presentation available, but I hope so, as this message is So Important!

In Unity and Peace... and a New Earth!

You seem to be connecting some dots both physically and spiritually here Kindred. Your on to something. Glad to hear your blissful experiences. Pane Andov states We must all become the flower of life. It makes clear sense. For Love is this key. Wanishi.
Again im digging your awesome meditative experience. Thanks for sharing this bliss with your spiritual comrades here on Avalon.

In Oneness ~ W.f.~

This video explains exactly what we need to do to protect Our Mother Earth. I Found this on the link you posted previously.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsgckIHKy4Y&feature=player_embedded

[Wind]

Sounds so simple! How come hasn't that video gone viral? If only we all could just see the bigger picture.

[Kindred]

Here is an 'overview' of their understandings, that was further delineated in the video presentation:

http://www.lightchannels.com/revolutionbylight.php

and, the Most Important Practice...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VQK2PBtjICo

In Unity, Peace, and a New Earth

[intruth]

Thank you WhiteFeather for this awesome thread which I will be digesting for some time. I am fairly new to all of this, just became aware starting in 2012.
I resonate with so many of your postings. I guess it's true, when the pupil is ready the teacher is there. WhiteFeather, you are that teacher for me in this thread. Many thanks! and thanks to all those that posted other informational sources here.
I've already printed my Merkabe Meditation Technique instructions so you know what I'll be doing every Sunday...
:wave::wave::bump::bump:

[WhiteFeather]

Thank you WhiteFeather for this awesome thread which I will be digesting for some time. I am fairly new to all of this, just became aware starting in 2012.
I resonate with so many of your postings. I guess it's true, when the pupil is ready the teacher is there. WhiteFeather, you are that teacher for me in this thread. Many thanks! and thanks to all those that posted other informational sources here.
I've already printed my Merkabe Meditation Technique instructions so you know what I'll be doing every Sunday...
:wave::wave::bump::bump:

Wanishi. For I am you. You are me. And together we make up the universe.

[Kindred]

As a 'bump', and to provide additional knowledge relative to the theme of this thread, I'll provide some links to previous postings and threads here on PA. (Also - Most Importantly, please be certain to check out the previous postings on this thread!!! This is Significant Information!)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38306-Fulford-1-9-update-...&p=398897&viewfull=1#post398897
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You know what? The money doesn't matter. The financial 'settlements' don't matter. What these 'powers' say, doesn't matter.

What We, The People DO and Think, is All that that Truly Matters. Will We Re-align Our Views and Actions To What Truly Matters... Our Spiritual Development?

Truly Embracing and Understanding That We Are One.

Are these financial dealings going to enable humans to Truly 'Wake Up', and understand that Spiritual Development is what is Important, OR, are we just going to give a sigh of 'relief', and go on with our fascination with the physical and materialism, and 'kick the can down the road', until we have Another military, ecological, or financial 'crisis'?

Are we going to get Rid of All our major weapon and Monetary systems? Are we going to change over to a Full Free Energy System Without Monetary Control? Are the People and Countries of the World going to 'give up' totalitarianism and domination over each other? Can we make that leap to a Truly Civilized Society?

Time is growing shorter by the hour. We Either Wake Up and Truly SEE Who We Are and take the necessary Corrective Actions In Unison, or we will Fail.

In Unity and Peace
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http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38306-Fulford-1-9-update-...&p=398897#post39889 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38306-Fulford-1-9-update-...&
p=398897#post398897)

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more items of particular interest relative to this thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38427-Could-channeled-ET-information-be-deliberate-psyops&p=400701#post400701

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38568-Proof-of-atlantis&p=402489#post402489

In Unity, Peace and Love - For All

[GoodETxSG]

Thank you WhiteFeather for this awesome thread which I will be digesting for some time. I am fairly new to all of this, just became aware starting in 2012.
I resonate with so many of your postings. I guess it's true, when the pupil is ready the teacher is there. WhiteFeather, you are that teacher for me in this thread. Many thanks! and thanks to all those that posted other informational sources here.
I've already printed my Merkabe Meditation Technique instructions so you know what I'll be doing every Sunday...
:wave::wave::bump::bump:

Wanishi. For I am you. You are me. And together we make up the universe.

Wow, my Grand Father used to say something very similar. Pretty cool...

[intruth]

Wakytweaky, that Secret of Secrets video was mindblowing! I'm passing it on..
:thank_you2::nod:

[Wind]

Update! It seems that the universe has answered my wishes!

Here is Pane's new website:
http://paneandov2012.com/

That's why he has been so busy! :)

[Wind]

Pane left this message today to his website:


I am on Walkabout… will be back soon!

Dear Friends,

I am currently traveling and unable to respond to posts at the moment, but I will be back soon with new information.

Looking forward to touching base with you then.

~Pane

[Bo Atkinson]

Goodmorning, good people.

Thanks for this thread. I cannot follow videos these days, because i need to spend most time away from screens. Visuality and visions are key for me, but many visions on YouTube seem somewhat repetitive of key visions. You tube is lovely, but not portable. Whereas, mp3s are playable outdoors in the greater 3d video of life's green-scape .

(In case my comments are not relevant, here: I could erase this post if not relevant. Please just PM me). Here are my initial thoughts:

The notion that the great emanations from galactic center will "upgrade reality", has indeed inspired me very much. A metaphor comes to mind. One's computer operating system makes a giant step forward as from IBM-Dos to Windows or MacOS to MacOSX. Some of the old applications work on the new system, to some extent, but new OS capabilities provide for new functions. Or more so, slow dialup bulletin-boards are now updated with high-speed internet forums.

I have studied several things throughout life which build on this theme in very differing contexts. The primary requisite is to de-program from the soul's capture by what? Perhaps, overall, ET-ED matrix projects capture souls, on our planet, through the ages. I would agree that distractions abound, in multiple cultural and spiritual manifestations. This expectation allowed me to comb through many sources and build upon the notion of "an imminent reality upgrade". Relieving ourselves from the worst distractions of life or the worst distortions we internalized, may, indeed be all we need. By which ever mode that inspires us the best.

I can appreciate the value of meditation. I do not wish to detract from meditation modalities others might prefer. This just might be an interesting lecture for those who are more involved with sciences or for those who are less attracted to passive practices in general:

I have been more attracted to the active modalities. Recently i came across an active vs passive form of meditation. Here is an interview with a master teaching his unique, yet traditional form, apparently even serving the business world. I recently found this modality:
Here is my recommended (1hr?) interview: easier audio play or download:

http://prn.fm/tag/yasuhiko-genku-kimura/

His own website with mini mp3s, harder to grasp IMHO:
http://via-visioninaction.org/via-li/LeadersProfile.php

Quote from above, 1st mp3 page: "Mr. Kimura is considered one of the most original, visionary thinkers in the field of integral and evolutionary philosophy. He is recognized for his unique ability to integrate advanced Western scientific thought with intuitive Eastern spiritual insight to bring about radical and lasting transformation in individuals and organizations. Hisnumerous writings and seminars are acclaimed for their originality and spiritual depth.

In the field of self-development, Mr. Kimura teaches a uniquely integral way of consciously directed self-evolution by creating a synergistic, evolutionary structure for transformational self- study which is incomparable in its depth, scope, and power—without the usual external authority or guru-follower structure and without the dependency on any particular conceptual models or frameworks."

[Kindred]

I must tell you - I'm a real 'novice' in meditation... I've Never had Any 'training', Whatsoever! After getting settled, I stilled my mind, and, slowly, began to see a 'swirling, undulating' pattern of light... dark/light with a multitude of colors, that slowly transformed into a Beautiful Yellowish - Golden Light that Filled my sphere of vision!

I SAW THE LIGHT! IT WAS AMAZING! I HAD NEVER EXPERIENCED THIS BEFORE!

In Unity and Peace... and a New Earth!

Update: I feel I must clarify this experience as it was so overwhelming, I just could not pull together an adequate description at the time... in fact, even this will fall short. The 'Light' I saw, was accompanied by an INTENSE Feeling of CONNECTION, and the 'Light' was EXTREMELY Clear and Luminescent - truly, words are inadequate to describe it's appearance. I could barely feel my body, as my attention was completely focused, Riveted, - DRAWN - towards the Light, and Held Me. It lasted a Very short time, but was Unmistakeable in it's Effects.

I cannot put any more words to this... they are inadequate.

In Unity, Peace, and LOVE

[Caren]

Hi Kindred,
I am just on my way out so this will be brief - I too experienced what you have posted above. I would have described it just as you did "an INTENSE Feeling of CONNECTION" and the light I was engulfed in was extremely clear and luminescent as well. There was a beautiful and profound feeling of love and joy; no human words to describe it adequately. It changed my life.

[wynderer]

Hi Caren -- haven't come across you since i came back to Avalon -- glad you're still here

i feel what feels like waves of Love energy kind of washing over & thru Earth at times -- not everyone can attune to [Mr Cayce's terminlogy] to these new energies & there has been strange & illogical speech & behaviour in more & more folks lately

-- i got blasted w/that energy a week or two ago -- i was crying because it had been so long since i had been connected to that level of the Power of Love

the Shift is coming!

wyn


Hi Kindred,
I am just on my way out so this will be brief - I too experienced what you have posted above. I would have described it just as you did "an INTENSE Feeling of CONNECTION" and the light I was engulfed in was extremely clear and luminescent as well. There was a beautiful and profound feeling of love and joy; no human words to describe it adequately. It changed my life.

[Kindred]

the Shift is coming!

wyn



More than just the "Shift is coming"... The Change has BEGUN!

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

[GoodETxSG]

Our solar system entered this region of space some time ago, it grows stronger every minute... our arm of the Galaxy as it oscillates is pulling us deeper into it as we speak. The changes are all around us... it is causing some to grow and others to just grow insane. The evidence is all around us... even in traffic or at a local shopping center. People are acting different as they feel this energy and do not know why or how to adapt mentally.

¤=[Post Update]=¤




the Shift is coming!

wyn



More than just the "Shift is coming"... The Change has BEGUN!

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

Well said, adapting to the "Shift" is not easy for many, especially those who have no idea what is going on... because it is being hidden from them.

[Andreash94]

im bored of loking at anymore 2012 fenomen im just optimist and live whit love and compasion evry day ,and help who i can .I w8 for a change but i wont do nothing thil then CsgaFKwUA6g PEACE & LOVE

[Space_Ace]

Update! It seems that the universe has answered my wishes!

Here is Pane's new website:
http://paneandov2012.com/

That's why he has been so busy! :)

"In other words, what happened to Japan in March 2011 is nothing compared to what they have shown me is coming."

The theory is that the elites created this quake and tsunami with haarp or nukes.

"For many this will sound like heavily loaded science fiction"

How can we wake up the sheeple if they won't even believe in mass arrests, let alone ascension?

"At the moment we are late, and the odds at the moment are 1:1000 but forget about odds…keep on going, fast and strong, believe and it will be manifested."

We need to see the elites mass arrested within a month or two or we have run out of time. Drake says June, lets hope!
On another note, I will keep reading his blog. So many theories about ascension, including his. How can we wake enough people in so little time?

[Space_Ace]

http://paneandov2012.com/page/3/

check out this page for his own theory on why major changes both good and bad will occur end of this year. If we see mass arrests soon, then we can wake the sheeple to prepare them for major changes, else they will find out on their own without advance notice and go into shock and panic.

[Bo Atkinson]

While listening to Pane's PDF (converted to mp3 for my player, clipped to my shirt at work)--I had a cognition of sorts. Please bear with my complex inspired explanation. I think it might be my long established preference for an active form of meditation. Most of my visualization involves some sort of geometry. Also life-like 3d scenes, but fully addressable to accurately-reproducable geometry. Even my dreams are more about building and dealing with structural problems, (but are not always 'rational' scenes in dream land).

I have again googled/Imaged the term "flower of life"... I do see some variations, which encourages me to approach this unusual aspect, in this thread. Please let me know-- I can delete this post if it does not fit the OP. For my own part, Pane Andov does seem to encourage creative inspirations, perhaps even to this following extent. I wonder.

Why not explore the geometric aspects of the flower of life? For me this involves going a little beyond arrangement of circles on a flat circle. Why not project the circles upon a sphere for example. I became very intrigued with this exercise, just as soon my study of 3d geometry allowed this. It requires a fairly user-friendly software, which i bought in 1995. Below is an early example of a spheroid-cylindrical model of projecting rings onto a build-able surface.


http://harmoniouspalette.com/ringsSurfDmRZdrk.gif

I began posting this study on my website, when the web became public. I named my research 'ringforcement' and promoted it as a concrete-reinforcement method. Well, really, it is both concrete in nature and also spiritually inspired, IMHO.

http://harmoniouspalette.com/ringforcement.html

Many aspects of this research are linked there. I tended to steer clear of 'spiritual' connotations-- Due to my priority of working with concrete men. This gained limited traction, but at least i met one very talented concrete-friend in Mexico and got a little concrete work form my promo, not much though. I have been thinking of promoting certain spiritual concepts on my website at some point-- Not sure where the time will come from. Unless i can link up in related web dialogs. Dialogs inspire and drive me with unexplained energies.

~wav

[WhiteFeather]

http://paneandov2012.com/page/3/

check out this page for his own theory on why major changes both good and bad will occur end of this year. If we see mass arrests soon, then we can wake the sheeple to prepare them for major changes, else they will find out on their own without advance notice and go into shock and panic.

Thanks for sharing that link Space Ace. I suggest all to view this material. Interesting.

[WhiteFeather]

While listening to Pane's PDF (converted to mp3 for my player, clipped to my shirt at work)--I had a cognition of sorts. Please bear with my complex inspired explanation. I think it might be my long established preference for an active form of meditation. Most of my visualization involves some sort of geometry. Also life-like 3d scenes, but fully addressable to accurately-reproducable geometry. Even my dreams are more about building and dealing with structural problems, (but are not always 'rational' scenes in dream land).

I have again googled/Imaged the term "flower of life"... I do see some variations, which encourages me to approach this unusual aspect, in this thread. Please let me know-- I can delete this post if it does not fit the OP. For my own part, Pane Andov does seem to encourage creative inspirations, perhaps even to this following extent. I wonder.

Why not explore the geometric aspects of the flower of life? For me this involves going a little beyond arrangement of circles on a flat circle. Why not project the circles upon a sphere for example. I became very intrigued with this exercise, just as soon my study of 3d geometry allowed this. It requires a fairly user-friendly software, which i bought in 1995. Below is an early example of a spheroid-cylindrical model of projecting rings onto a build-able surface.


http://harmoniouspalette.com/ringsSurfDmRZdrk.gif

I began posting this study on my website, when the web became public. I named my research 'ringforcement' and promoted it as a concrete-reinforcement method. Well, really, it is both concrete in nature and also spiritually inspired, IMHO.

http://harmoniouspalette.com/ringforcement.html

Many aspects of this research are linked there. I tended to steer clear of 'spiritual' connotations-- Due to my priority of working with concrete men. This gained limited traction, but at least i met one very talented concrete-friend in Mexico and got a little concrete work form my promo, not much though. I have been thinking of promoting certain spiritual concepts on my website at some point-- Not sure where the time will come from. Unless i can link up in related web dialogs. Dialogs inspire and drive me with unexplained energies.

~wav

Thanks for this as well. Looks interesting. Will research it later Wav.

[WhiteFeather]

http://cropcircleconnector.com/ilyes/ilyes9.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1mr2G1_UYWY#at=117

[Kindred]

As an 'update', and also an acknowledgement of some references I've made on this thread, and others, I'm providing the site for the 'publisher' of the book Thiaoouba Prophecy. I've provided the links to the free pdf file, but if one wishes to have a hard copy at the best price (as opposed to amazon, or other suppliers), here is the site;
http://bioresonant.com/bookshop.html

You'll also note that Dr. Chalko has several other books available, All Good! Of note is that he is a physicist specializing in laser holography, as well as other disciplines. There's also this item of significant interest - a Great Read!; http://nujournal.net/choice.html

I was remiss in not providing these items before, and this post is an attempt to rectify my oversight.

Also... Whitefeather - Thanks Again for beginning this thread!

In Unity, Peace, and LOVE

[Bo Atkinson]

Recommendations coming from live humans on Avalon, provide needed impetus to push through a book or some sort of media.

Group thoughts might acknowledge our own half-proven inklings without damage or false pride.

We need to test probabilities for internal alignments, to weigh our thoughts against incoming data.

Pane Andov publishes unexpected facts of interest. He may offer best-estimates of probabilities to come. My own studies of the star-tetrahedron explores fractal expansion-- The build process is imaged first-below. After the build, the internal, parent tetrahedrons, are removed, leaving just the outermost set. Which by the way align as a "vector-equilibrium". Google/images: "vector-equilibrium" + "crop circle" .


http://harmoniouspalette.com/StarTetrahedronFractal.gif

My parents were both agnostics during my childhood and encouraged us kids to think freely. They also encouraged cultural bridging as we were living abroad, as cultural guests. It became so natural. I ultimately substituted probabilities in place of beliefs, (a wide percentile range there). My friends were subject to all manner of beliefs, -ologies and -isms (cultic or concrete).

Which of these proved right, as of now, half a century later? Fact is much of the concrete is under hammers of demolition, some even through deceit. The cults are drowning themselves, the -ologies are still not complete. The isms have always spawned schisms. My belief system of probabilities still keeps me on my feet. Each outcome provides insights or signs, to track one's own life game. May one's hunt go well.

Study of challenging assertions can sharpen one's discernment. Just add the waters of probability. Store all this in mind and connect things which transpire. Let rest what sinks beneath the streaming, deep. I have studied scholarly works and long establishment absolutes. No matter how proud the source is, i could occasionally find sheer imagination, in some foundation, or heap. Fragments of human imagination or postulations might have been be just fine, but are surely not the ultimate divine. Call it window dressing for commercial capitulation. However is this our highest, truthful organization? I discern that the net profit is not necessarily better than investments of the rabbit hole kind. Providing that discerning, balancing acts are regularly maintained.


http://harmoniouspalette.com/FlowerOfLifeStarTetrahedron.gif

Pane Andov provides some very remarkable data and references, all combined. At surface value, it inspires me to dig further here and there. Add it to my integrative library, for further continued research. Locate and rebuild broken data links. Some data matches up with data inputs from the past. The archeology, astronomy, cosmology and biology issues should not render us aghast. Cosmology is loaded with competing propositions already.


http://harmoniouspalette.com/corectthis.gif

One more proposition on the big stack. Let it take it's course. At surface value, assertions of immanent doom actually do rhyme with the trends of current events. We are inundated with stressful messes. Carry on despite it all. What hopes are left, for individuals, are indeed a group postulate of intentionality. Do right by our conscience and inform ourselves, to our best ability. Life is a lesson, study well, balance the odds. Align with like minds, why not? The globally synchronized meditation does make sense. I will try that, as never before did i try synchronized visualizations.


Flower of life patterns are at my core already, besides. My form of meditation is improvised from my personal experience, but it is focussed intention and sincere attitude that counts. Scheduling i can synchronize, my life is free willed. Let's see for east coast USA that would be 5PM to 6PM every Saturday(?) providing idiotic daylight saving times concur. I went to this chart and will "check my math" again to make sure, (at 5pm). http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/full.html

~wav

[Bo Atkinson]

http://paneandov2012.com/


How can we wake up the sheeple if they won't even believe in mass arrests, let alone ascension?

............. So many theories about ascension, including his. How can we wake enough people in so little time?


I'd agree, except, perhaps the point being made by Andov is that we need to alert people towards positive, visualizing-meditation. Call it according to what listeners are equipped with.

Explain it as a scientific experiment in progress, which it might well also be, (inclusively).

Don't overwhelm with uncertainties-- Our own studies are separate.

We need and they need to to practice our-customized, heart-mind visualizations.

Here again, if i may say, this need not be highly regimented or policed. Rather it needs to be naturalized and made heartfelt.

So How?

IMO, we need to provide non-tech people with art work or photos of your choice or their choice. Access people's preferences for particular renderings. Tech-people likely will appreciate some of these vids. Nerds might enjoy the tech challenge of digging deeper. I'm only suggesting this to receptive people. Except for the synchronized time where i might share my visualization out loud. Keep prints hanging on my walls, even my shop walls.

See if they are willing to synchronize visualizing of these, at synchronized times. Call it a grand thought experiment. Let go of the expected matrix overlay, for that hour.

Cease and desist from negative thought form promotions. Personally, i'm going to ignore hopelessly infatuated gloom-posts. If those posts participants refuse to try this through experiment,
this meditation experiment,
this visualization experiment,
this syncro-experiment.

Important: Quality of people encouraged, is more important than the quantity. Stay he artful which is a benefit in itself.

May the power be with us all.

~wav

[Kindred]

http://paneandov2012.com/page/3/
check out this page for his own theory on why major changes both good and bad will occur end of this year. If we see mass arrests soon, then we can wake the sheeple to prepare them for major changes, else they will find out on their own without advance notice and go into shock and panic.

If you take what was presented by the Light Channels group as true, then All Humanity WILL receive the 'wake up call'...

[QUOTE=Kindred;483671]I had watched Pane's videos a number of months ago and was 'impressed' with the knowledge he brought to the fore. That said, I wasn't exactly certain as to HOW humankind was going to develop our 'abilities' quickly enough to fend off this incoming wave of energy - the "Photon Belt".

It seemed to me that So Many of us were just not 'awake' sufficiently to be interested to learn what needs to be learned, or, for that matter, to do the necessary actions to achieve this 'shield' he discusses. I have, Just This Morning, 'come into the knowledge' as to the 'HOW'.

I feel that these Higher Beings ARE ‘interceding’ on humanity’s behalf, and will Not Permit ANY wholesale destruction of Earth or Humanity. But, there will be ‘problems’ as described by Guruji Krishnananda. We need to remain in the spirit of Love, Forgiveness and Thankfulness. We will be given the help we need, But, We Must Open Our Hearts To Source/God, and Meditate to bring this Light into Our Being.
This will be the ‘HOW’
[QUOTE]

If you go to their site; http://www.lightagemasters.com/index.php You will get an instant 'pop-up' screen for the presentation... pick on the "Channel 2 - audio only"... the video & audio item have a significant and important portion of the presentation missing. Of primary import is that it is revealed that "Every Individual on Earth WILL BE CONTACTED"...

I feel THIS will be the 'Wake Up Call' you/We All seek

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

[WhiteFeather]

First crop circle of 2012 in England. The Flower Of Life. What a synchronicity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p7siwL9PWco

[Wind]

It seems that our friends haven't forgotten us.

[Finefeather]

I believe the central message is fake and Pane Andov is relying on this 'shocker' to fill his coffers. He has very little time left to rake in as much money as he can. I believe his motives are suspect and that he has no grounds what so ever for his claims as far as the sun etc goes.
Just one thing I must qualify and state, The basic message he also has, for mankind to uplift himself and be enlightened etc, is of course known and accepted by millions as been our natural goal and is by now I believe almost an accepted truth. I also know that he is a brother in life, as we all are, and subject also to the attacks and influences of the Dark brothers, so I wish him no harm, only light to see the true way.

If you check his new website http://paneandov2012.com/ he has on the front page the video of the so called craft on the sun.
This phenomena was explained and well shown to be false here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82l46fpd-ic&feature=related

I contact him by placing a comment on his original website pointing this out and asked for his comments on this and why he would be showing a false video. In 1 day he had removed my comment completely.
If you care to also note the exorbitant fees he charges for his services, one wonders what he is saving up for!

This post on PA is also interesting, read it here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15234-2012-Equation-Solved-Part-1-8-Pane-Andov/page4

You can download a pdf of his presentation here, which is, I must say a really good effort and extremely well done!
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/73029576/2012%20A.D.%20Rumour%20or%20Reality/2012%20A.D.%20Rumour%20or%20Reality.pdf

His websites are mostly a collection of topics you can find in a lot of places and are well presented.
But I believe the thing he is trying to get out and which is the central core of his message is that we have this, may I use the word, shocking, probable event heading our way.
This can and will leave a lot of people in dire straits of what to do and can cause great stress and panic in the less aware.
So I am not convinced of any of his theories and in fact, I believe he is just another David Willcocks etc trying to make hay while the sun shines :-)
Anyway we have 1 month to go to the start of his predictions and about 6 months to live if we do not shape up.
You decide for your self. But here is my prediction:
2012 will be just another year in our history and 10 years from now we will be smiling about all the hype that went on back in 2012 when everyone thought the world was ending.
The only sure thing I know is that we need to continue with our quest toward a better understanding of our amazing life, and how through increasing our knowledge and awareness, we will see the natural and only true way to live is in peace, harmony and love.
My love to all.

[Bo Atkinson]

Finefeather, Thanks for your love and studies.

I wonder if your pdf link varies much from the pfd:
2012 Equation Solved Extended Pane AstralWalker Andov.pdf
(Does the general thrust differ between your linked, photo-of-text-pdf and the ASCI-text+pictures ...pdf)

The thrust from my perhaps too generalized take (on text version) was more about culminations of crop circles and suppressed archeology, tending to highlight world conflagrations (2012 as-is today in May with totalitarians running amuck)..... Adding that, indeed times might correspond already.... Ultimately including significant reality-changes, for people tuned into reality-evolvement, but not necessarily requiring the payed per view sense, (nor the branding of any such change). I expect all humans here make money and support the status quo and get something for nothing given back, (like the Andov pdfs).

I am surely the minority everywhere, who think all words and for the most part, all individual realities are too spicy with metaphor. Spicing of egos was the old way. I especially include science in the metaphor-matrix, because too much of science gets rigidified into absolutes. Absolutes which condemn natural evolvement. Which condemn new experiments rubbing against official-ized experiments. Thought experiments which priesthoods hate.

So for me the hope of the ongoing changes are more about a commonly forming reality, that we have had enough totalitarian priesthoods, period. That more of the common people will see clearly intents of all who carry agendas or even minor agendas. Agendas are potentially at an end, in the sense of now becoming less ensnaring. Upfront intentionality could replace hidden agenda games of past eras, (secret agendas).

So that the "heart mind" (thoughts of feelings) could supplant the "heart of darkness" (totalitarian human intercourse). Which goes beyond Adov, as i don't rely on him as a leader. In fact leaders will be only for humans who resist spiritual change... Humanity which resists the threshold of joining the 3% or threshold necessary for the "next reality upgrade".

In any case, i welcome all who add their unique insights, as you seems to offer your insight.


Thanks for that,

~wav

[Wind]

First part of the new VERITAS radio interview. The interview starts shortly after the first ten minutes.

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The audio quality isn't stellar, but it's better than nothing.

[lightseeker]

Thank you White Feather, for bringing this video forward for all to view. This is the first time I have listened to Pane Andov. Much of what he says has been mentioned on other sites such as well. However his presentation is very clear and direct, no nonsense.

[WhiteFeather]

Amor Speaks Of The Flower Of Life and The Vesica Piscis Below in this short video. A warm soul is she.

Amor Luz - The goal of Amor Luz’ teaching is to OPEN your Mind to understand your power and EXPAND into the (human) Divine Being that you truly are! Amor Luz is an Earth-Star Facilitator and Guide. She is a Reiki Master/ Teacher that channels Universal Life Force and Universal Life Force Energy.

The utilization of Reiki in her service, facilitates individual/group/ancestral healing and the clearing of Karma and old programming. She is an Akashic Record Consultant. In the service of God-Creator, the Source, the Divine Will, she assists us to realize the channel role of an Avatar for the Age of Aquarius and the Divine Feminine. Her family lineage of Light is to Kumara and to the Office of the Christ. Being a soul collective of the Akashic Record Keepers and the Star Gates of Sirius, she delivers the vibration of Transformation to Earth and humanity through her Light encoded aura.

Amor Luz is in loving and humble service for Unity, the collective of One Mind, One Heart, One Love, for the seven generations and beyond. She is here to share the “Wisdom of the Ancients” and offers insights into our planet Earth’s spiritual history. This knowledge serves each one of us to facilitate the transition of our reality being the change we have been waiting for. This is the vision: The Call to Indigo, expand all that you are and SEE clearly through the illusions. Mitakuye Oyasin



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u7W4wwt0ug&feature=BFa&list=PLF11EDB934547FAFD

[Bill Ryan]

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I don't think I replied to this last year! But I've just received an e-mail query about this, and I found myself writing the reply below. I thought I should copy it to the forum.




In my firm opinion Pane Andov has a lot of things wrong, and is dangerously misleading people. He is plain incorrect about the end of this year.

There definitely is a risk of greatly increased solar activity in the early part of next year (January to May 2013, as a rough estimate). There is nothing significant about the Mayan Calendar dates apart from the very general marking of a change of consciousness on the planet. The Mayans were not predicting a cataclysm of any kind.

Nor is the "end date" of that part of their calendar definitely known. The 21 December 2012 date was primarily popularized by Terence McKenna, who was (sorry to say) an acid-head with a very active imagination. When 1 January 2013 arrives, we'll all be able to focus on the real job at hand.

That is not to say that safe zones on the planet aren't important to identify. War is a possibility. Global financial collapse is a probability. An 1859-scale CME would hit parts of the First (electronics-dependent) World very hard.

Any or all of the above would influence our freedoms, including how and whether we can travel, move assets around, or even find food to eat. None of these possibilities are trivial or can be dismissed.

In my opinion, those are the factors that should be assessed in the coming weeks and months. And in my opinion Pane Andov (together with quite a number of others) are dangerously and irresponsibly misleading in their prognostications. We may all find out definitively fairly soon, of course.

:)

[dim]

Human consciousness is intrinsically one with the life on the planet and so as the old consciousness dissolves there are earth changes bound to happen, we are already witnessing that.
That doesn't mean every wannabe prophet, book seller, paid disinfo agent or naive new ager is right.

[nomadguy]

There definitely is a risk of greatly increased solar activity in the early part of next year (January to May 2013, as a rough estimate). There is nothing significant about the Mayan Calendar dates apart from the very general marking of a change of consciousness on the planet. The Mayans were not predicting a cataclysm of any kind.

Nor is the "end date" of that part of their calendar definitely known. The 21 December 2012 date was primarily popularized by Terence McKenna, who was (sorry to say) an acid-head with a very active imagination. When 1 January 2013 arrives, we'll all be able to focus on the real job at hand.

Exactly my sentiment, I feel that this idea of some outrageous event on Dec 21 is purely conjecture supported by fear and combined with longing for a change.
However... the time period right after > Jan-Apr 2013 I feel has some sticky points.
And beyond that time frame we DO have many inevitable problems to face...
The gulf disaster... Fukushima... the quickly deteriorating energy infrastructure... GMO backfiring. and so on...
With that begin said there is absolutely no reason to be complacent. On the whole we really do need to find a way to behave in a more sustainable way and clean up this planet! And quick!

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

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. The 21 December 2012 date was primarily popularized by Terence McKenna, who was (sorry to say) an acid-head with a very active imagination.

I agree that the date of 21st December has been pushed way too much by too many but Bill, this is a very unfair description of Terrence don't you think?. He was not just an "acid head". He was so much more than that and helped to wake many people up. He was very eloquent.
Which books have you read of his?

[araucaria]

These dates are just not very conservative ballpark figures. If Orwell's novel had been called 2012 instead of 1984, that would have been more accurate and possibly more helpful. Similarly the 2012 date is far too precise for what it is supposed to describe, and closer to a start date than an end date.

[The Truth Is In There]

i believe the 21st december is the "game over" point after which the current "reality", as we have come to know it, gets deconstructed, and a new paradigm - the new age - is born.

that deconstruction will happen first and foremost through the sun, because it's the source of all life and matter in our solar system. it would make sense that the sun also receives energy (or instructions, if you will. energy/light is information, after all) from somewhere - the galactic center, most likely, and that people who are attuned to it may be aware of what's going to happen and when.

afaik the 21st dec date did not originate with mc kenna. when the mc kenna brothers created their timewave zero theory they were not even aware of this mayan end date and later even adjusted their timewave zero slightly to fit this date. i believe it originally reached the zero point sometime in november 2012.

and who's to say that the project looking glass info about dec 21st isn't right, too? if they couldn't look beyond that date then something unusual will happen on that day. whether or not we experience it consciously is another matter.

what's pretty sure is that the real problems (the deconstruction) will happen in the coming years. they'll be diverse and afterwards nothing will be the same again. besides natural disasters ww3 is a possibility but i think it won't start before the last pope takes his place.

[Adi]

""He was not just an "acid head". He was so much more than that and helped to wake many people up. He was very eloquent. ""

A very true statement indeed!

[mojo]

Hi Bill,
Thank you for sharing your POV on Pane. His decoding of information in crop circles has always intrigued me and I think some of his predicitions are based on those results. He also based some of his predictions in relation to the Mayan calender. In regards to your statement it would be helpful to me if I undertoood which aspect of his information is misleading or perhaps you might speak about those twp apsects of his research. Thanks.

[WhiteFeather]

Some Material By Astralwalker (Pane Andov) on The Old Project Avalon Forum, below link. Good Read!
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8441

[Wind]

Soon we will find out if he and many others were right... If yes, then there will be massive (ultimately good) changes.

I just found Pane's full Veritas interview:
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[WhiteFeather]

If you like...From the above 3 hr video posted by Starseed...At The 1:04 Hr Mark Pane Andov speaks of some children being born recently that have extra codons in their bodies, as this energy coming in from the galactic is mutating (advancing) our DNA structure... Also,,,, Chemtrail's are being utilized by The Shadow Government to shield these incoming intelligent energy's....these mutating energy's coming in, are advancing our DNA and causing more awakenings. The Shadow Government wants to curb it.

[soleil]

is it just me who is feeling like the last one to find out at the last minute?

i really dont think i can build an underground bunker in a month... :eek:

[Pete]

The way I understand all this is from the point of view what we have already survived. Think about it, we have survived numerous attempts to pitch us into doomsday scenarios. It hasn't happened. Why are you looking anywhere else than yourself for the answers. Trust yourself to know what to do, because you have got this far. there is more to your existence than your experience here in 3d. we are all highly advanced beings who are about to awaken.

You will know what to do when the time arrives. Instead of worrying about being told what to do, trust yourself, and concentrate upon intention, stop feeding the matrix with your fear and confusion and take the leap of faith. concentrate upon the intention of allowing Gia and all of its inhabitants to ascend to the higher vibration and existence.

Relax, put a smile on your face and live your life as though we have already succeeded, because you have, just by releasing your anxiety you are no longer feeding the control system. concentrate upon how far we have come, remind yourself what the earth has already endured. You are blessed!

[shomamuva]

I watched one of Pane Andov's videos and while I found it interesting and informative, I also found it disturbing.

<Expected Cosmic Events in 2012 by Pane Andov http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ueK0ZLBSs0>

Also found it frustrating that the last 5 minutes were about stuff I could have listened to for an hour or more! How to create your own sphere of energy and connect with others to create a field to protect from the energy that's to be coming Dec 21, 2012.

He is a very smart man and shared a lot information for which I am grateful.

Whew, so much stuff around here to read, watch and contemplate! My first post and lots more to study up on! :cool: Glad to be here!

[wobbegong]

Hi Bill,
Thank you for sharing your POV on Pane. His decoding of information in crop circles has always intrigued me and I think some of his predicitions are based on those results. He also based some of his predictions in relation to the Mayan calender. In regards to your statement it would be helpful to me if I undertoood which aspect of his information is misleading or perhaps you might speak about those twp apsects of his research. Thanks.

Hi Mojo, I too would be interested in some more insights from Bill.
Anyway, I'll share my own experience on this.
I have appreciated Pane's books very much in the past and think he has some very good intentions - I bought some of his books and must say he is also quite generous in sharing his material for free.
Over 2 yrs ago and I think up until early 2012, he was recommending people to move to the 'safe triangle zone' in QLD, no later than March 2012, where the presence of opal would shield them from the nexus. Actually, at a certain point he emphasized the fact that he was simply passing on to us the recommendation that he received from ETs. Quite fair IMO, except that, afterwards, I really don't know what happened, but it turned out that he himself didn't move to the safe zone, and hopefully nobody else did, so I got curious, went on his old website and found a comment (not sure it's still there) where he said something of the sort 'ok, no need to go to the safe zone but I know that I haven't been deceived'.
So I don't really know what happened and I surely don't posess the full story - I'm just trying to contribute with the part that I know and that much does seem a bit puzzling. I know that he organized the flower of life meditations to shield earth from the nexus but deep down don't really believe that's what saved us.
My conclusion is that I can't argue too much with Bill Ryan's POV, considering the way things went - there were people ready to move to the opal field safe zone...
To be fair to Pane, though, the other side of the coin is that when a person possesses vital information, not sharing it with fellow humans would be a crime...the problem here is that he 'believed he had vital info' but it turned out wrong (pls do correct me if I'm the one who got it wrong). So if anything, this is a call for all these people disseminating info to be at least a bit more humble. There is a fairly hostile review of his work here http://www.2012hoax.org/pane-andov and I don't appreciate many of the attacks against him, but it's worth a read because they do bring up some scientific facts that he sould have at least considered.

[lunaflare]

Thanks for the above link, wobbegong. I am not so familiar with Pane's work, but was interested in all the comments on this thread. It disturbs me, however, when we solely use "Science" as a mark and measure to determine what could be accurate (or not). One prevailing scientific view is that the force of gravity holds planets/stars etc in orbit (rather than the electromagnetic charges in an electric-plasma universe)

I read this sentence early on in the 2012hoax.org site (debunking is the focus!)

"Andov makes some basic errors that stand in contradiction to known science".

"Known science" are views formed by conservative thinkers (like trained allopathic doctors). I would say people who are conditioned and programmed to accept a certain version of "reality". This is the foundation to base further hypotheses and conclusions about our world...
How many scientists would accept that Tesla was said to received information from intra-dimensional beings?
In essence, scientists operate within a fairly limited paradigm.

There is a profound distinction between mystics, shamans and empirical scientists....

I believe T Mckenna made a major contribution to our understanding of the nature of holographic reality. If he used mind altering substances or plant medicine to do this...well, so be it....

Surely imagination is our greatest tool for decoding, understanding and co-creating our reality?

[Bo Atkinson]

Where science leaves 'prediction' and 'warning' in the eye of the beholder, observer;)

Hearing Andov's channeling provided topics to look up (web wide).

Stretching my imagination through fast forward, many sources to see.

Are new software tools stirring up energy of cultic creeds?

Is it the instant internet actually stirring new world creeds?

Will decisive time line junctures happen this month?

Will common sense prevail? Focus now...

Interpretation in the eye of the beholder?

http://harmoniouspalette.com/TheReflexiveUniverseArturMYoung.jpg

[wobbegong]

... It disturbs me, however, when we solely use "Science" as a mark and measure to determine what could be accurate (or not). ...
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you on that, Lunaflare. The only thing that triggered in me some further research, even into the more scientific arena - which I see in a similar way that you do, was the fact that he that was recommending to move to the safe triangle zone, in the end didn't do it, which is a macroscopic point. Anyway, I still like him and people can make mistakes, but my call was more in the sense of a bit more of a humble approach, i.e. consider more info and more sources and possibilities that one might be going in the wrong direction in spite of any advice from ETs.

[Wind]

So if our friend Pane is correct then the incoming energy will become visible in the sky on Dec 13? It will have a blue colour. I guess that we'll find out soon enough if the aliens and crop circles really told the truth...

Also if the object, energy or whatever is blue it fits perfectly the Hopi Blue Kachina Prophecy. Soon after it will come Red Kachina... Will it be our transformed Sun?

7Y1GdKdNhY4

[Wind]

GMT4IlYTo7E

[RMorgan]

If you like...From the above 3 hr video posted by Starseed...At The 1:04 Hr Mark Pane Andov speaks of some children being born recently that have extra codons in their bodies, as this energy coming in from the galactic is mutating (advancing) our DNA structure... Also,,,, Chemtrail's are being utilized by The Shadow Government to shield these incoming intelligent energy's....these mutating energy's coming in, are advancing our DNA and causing more awakenings. The Shadow Government wants to curb it.

Hi my friend,

I don´t know if that´s the real agenda behind chemtrails.

Anyway, if it is, this policy is definitively flawed, because, as far as I know, the chemtrail program is only active in NATO countries.

At least here in Brazil, which is a huge country, there are no chemtrails at all.

They aren´t covering the whole globe.

Raf.

[Wind]

My country isn't a NATO country and sometimes there are massive chemtrail sprayings. The reason for the chemtrails is simple. They're trying to block sodar radiation, but they're just not informing the public about it. Very immoral of them, just like the rest of their hideous actions.

bEo3PBaVha8

The part about chemtrails starts in 07:00.

[soleil]

My country isn't a NATO country and sometimes there are massive chemtrail sprayings. The reason for the chemtrails is simple. They're trying to block sodar radiation, but they're just not informing the public about it. Very immoral of them, just like the rest of their hideous actions.

bEo3PBaVha8

The part about chemtrails starts in 07:00.

the sun is completely blocked in my 'hood too, probably due to repeated chemtrails...cant ever tell because the clouds are never gone these days :(

[Wind]

the sun is completely blocked in my 'hood too, probably due to repeated chemtrails...cant ever tell because the clouds are never gone these days :(

Well, here in the northen hemisphere it is a small miracle if you see the Sun during the wintertime. I can't remember when was the last time I saw it. Maybe days and perhaps even weeks now. In a period of few months the Sun is rarely visible, it usually starts to shine nicely again in March. October, November and December are the hardest months of the year here.

[Wind]

http://oi47.tinypic.com/2csgjtz.jpg

[Wind]

Message from Pane:
http://paneandov.com/23-dec-2012-passed-nothing-happened/

[sineck]

this is a posting that has some time i gather, however i have seen his videos and have appreciated his presentations, only in my opinion many have been poised an affair with the mans knowledge of godliness ,
long seeing my brother, fathomless in the ocean, his oceans blossoming in the reverance of the almighty i have seen in him, seen the aptitudes of man, a relishing of being and the serenity of goodness will there behest a parture of his words?