Where is Viking?

[Sabrina]

My resignation thread has picked up that Viking has dropped off the Avalon planet and become a retired member. What has happened to him? No grand gesture and leaving announcement. Just gone. And he's not even a banker (as far as I know). Feel I need to be the Tarka to his Viking in the interest of balance. Will be channeling for info. over night. Any news anyone?

[RunningDeer]

Viking, I'm leaving the light on for ya! You just take all the time you need...:bolt:

I'll be waiting right over here ................:roll:

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[cellardoor]

I've just spoke to Viking, he says all is well and he sends his love to all at Avalon.

[greybeard]

Viking has been here almost two years exactly.
Even though we were not exactly on the same page we were not in opposition either.
He has many friends over 200 in fact.
Hope it is a temp retirement.

C

[etm567]

I think he was just plain weary. With all of the... you know. All that to-do that really wasn't a to-do at all? And by that I mean, to me, it was a to-do, and to some other folks, it was also a to-do, but to some folks in authority, it wasn't really much of a to-do. Nothing to see here, move on, you know?

ETM

[WHOMADEGOD]

I hope he has a change of heart and ignores the BS.

He has done much for PA.

Countless times I have been made aware of many many things he has posted and the subsequent perspectives on those topics.

A very valuable resource and a very kind person, Sorry to see him leave.

Blessings to the rest of your journey Viking

Mark

[sunflower]

Although I am not into channelling per se I did enjoy Viking's upbeat personality. He did start many an interesting thread which I enjoyed reading. Hope to read another one soon!

[EnergyGardener]

Please let us know of any positive developments with Viking. Please drop me a PM with his email address if you have it.

[sandy]

Hey Viking, if you get a chance to read this,

Please don't let the to do's keep you away too long. I enjoy your posts and most of all your BEING :) Great Vibes and loving energy is needed everywhere, so may you continue to share your joy each day as you so freely presented here and may your cup always be full of LOVE. :)

[Little Ishta]

Another good one gone? Yeeesh! Too many are leaving. And its sad to see them go. Hoping that Viking just needs a break and will return. If not, all the best and love to him. You will be missed Viking!

[cloud9]

Well, Viking left once but he came back... which I think makes him a wise guy.
He is a true Avalonian and I hope ( I know) he'll come back, he knows Avalon is his home.

[Mandala]

Hey Viking, I miss you around here. Mandala

[Camilo]

If he is not making a big noise about it (like others), I would say he is just taking a break.

[Hermite]

I hope you, Viking, have a nice vacation, rest up and come back refreshed and ready to forge on ahead. These are the times when we need to stick together, not fall apart. <3

[blufire]

Okay . . . what I am about to post will probably get my “hammer in a jam” but I have noticed a couple things that have my curiosity in overdrive.

Let me say first that I feel, to some extent, responsible for the current flood of members leaving the forum who where interested strongly in the channeled messages. I feel somewhat responsible because I was the one who started the thread asking that the threads/posts on channeled messages be reviewed by the moderators. Subsequently there was a tightening down of how channeled messages are posted on Avalon.

Shortly after the tightening down on the channeled messages somebody posted a thread that atticus1 forum was open to the general public for a couple days. . . . . being the ever curious female that I am I trotted right on over to the atticus forum to see what all the hub bub was about. Low and behold what did I see? Darla had just become a bona fide member of atticus . . . . which I found rather fascinating . . . . obviously there is nothing wrong or nefarious with individuals being members of several different forums, but this one rather shocked me. Darla and atticus?? . . . . . don’t know . . . . seems odd. So then my ever curious, over active mind strays over into the questioning realm of, is the atticus forum where other members (interested in channeling) heading?? If so, why? Why to that forum?

Of course I have nothing to really back up my questions other than seeing Darla’s avatar/name appear on atticus at the same time she stopped posting on PA and now viking has retired along with several other members (in the channeled realm) disappear or stop posting on PA. Of course also, someone could be using darla’s name as well . . . .but her name is very unique.

Also too, the “stirring of the pot” thread and atticus’ new interview popped up the same time the “channeled members” stopped posting and disappeared from Avalon.

I am drawing no conclusions to my observations . . . .just one of those little things that make me go hmmmmmm . . . . .

[Pete]

Viking may have left the building for a while but I'm sure he'll be back soon with a spring in his step?

[etm567]

Shortly after the tightening down on the channeled messages somebody posted a thread that atticus1 forum was open to the general public for a couple days. . . . . being the ever curious female that I am I trotted right on over to the atticus forum to see what all the hub bub was about. Low and behold what did I see? Darla had just become a bona fide member of atticus . . . . which I found rather fascinating . . . . obviously there is nothing wrong or nefarious with individuals being members of several different forums, but this one rather shocked me. Darla and atticus?? . . . . . don’t know . . . . seems odd. So then my ever curious, over active mind strays over into the questioning realm of, is the atticus forum where other members (interested in channeling) heading?? If so, why? Why to that forum?




Seems to me maybe you like to stir the pot. What difference could it possibly make to you where Darla goes and what she does? She was made to feel quite unwelcome here, as were several other folks. (I know, I know, the mods are going to tell me this isn't true. BUt it is. Personal experience is subjective. I would say that when Darla got a three day vacation for posting the word "Namaste" and a little blurb that translated it, something like, "The divinity in me sees the divinity in you," that was a big hint. And why did that get her a three day? Well, judging from the words in that post, the mods must believe they can see into her heart and believe they saw something else there. But what? I do not know. I suppose they are suggesting that her intentions were not sincere. But how can they make that judgment? Who are they to say they know when someone means the opposite of what they say? Do they have some omniscient powers? Maybe? Something else I do not know.

I was going to say something else, at first, about whether or not she is participating there. By the way, anyone can join there at any time. No big deal.

It does seem to me to be only reasonable that people who find the environment not very welcoming here would go looking for other places to participate, if they want to. Why ever not? Why shouldn't they, if they choose not to do it here? In Darla's case, I think she is rediscovering the joys of life apart from a forum full of disagreement and many hard feelings.

However, may I ask, sincerely, just what is your motivation in bringing this up? Does it matter to you what Darla does? For goodness' sakes, why? You got your wish here. Why not leave her alone now?

And, by the way, she had joined before that interview popped up here. That interview has been available to listen to for quite some time.

Sincerely,

ETM

[EnergyGardener]

Viking informed me today that he left because of, " the mods changing the format of channeled information ect etc ...time to go. Information should be made free to everyone, regardless."

He did not say he would "never" return, but I do know he is reviewing "friendlier" forums. Who isn't?

[EnergyGardener]

Okay . . . what I am about to post will probably get my “hammer in a jam” but I have noticed a couple things that have my curiosity in overdrive.

Let me say first that I feel, to some extent, responsible for the current flood of members leaving the forum who where interested strongly in the channeled messages. I feel somewhat responsible because I was the one who started the thread asking that the threads/posts on channeled messages be reviewed by the moderators. Subsequently there was a tightening down of how channeled messages are posted on Avalon.

Shortly after the tightening down on the channeled messages somebody posted a thread that atticus1 forum was open to the general public for a couple days. . . . . being the ever curious female that I am I trotted right on over to the atticus forum to see what all the hub bub was about. Low and behold what did I see? Darla had just become a bona fide member of atticus . . . . which I found rather fascinating . . . . obviously there is nothing wrong or nefarious with individuals being members of several different forums, but this one rather shocked me. Darla and atticus?? . . . . . don’t know . . . . seems odd. So then my ever curious, over active mind strays over into the questioning realm of, is the atticus forum where other members (interested in channeling) heading?? If so, why? Why to that forum?

Of course I have nothing to really back up my questions other than seeing Darla’s avatar/name appear on atticus at the same time she stopped posting on PA and now viking has retired along with several other members (in the channeled realm) disappear or stop posting on PA. Of course also, someone could be using darla’s name as well . . . .but her name is very unique.

Also too, the “stirring of the pot” thread and atticus’ new interview popped up the same time the “channeled members” stopped posting and disappeared from Avalon.

I am drawing no conclusions to my observations . . . .just one of those little things that make me go hmmmmmm . . . . .

I would agree that your and others' hostile demands, and the virtual immediate accommodations by the mods, contributed to the departures of many.

However, from this post, I cannot tell if you are apologizing or patting yourself on the back.

[Eagle]

It is very concerning that people are turning to channeled messages instead of channeling for themselves, don’t be led down a hole you can never get out of energetically

[crosby]

i hope viking will reconsider and come back when and if he can. his threads were all important. i can understand his need for time away. i do hope he will pop back in from time to time and share with us again. viking, we miss you and we all hope you are doing well.
warmest regards, corson

[Deega]

Thanks Sabrina to bring this forward, this is the second time Viking leaves the Forum and all the best is send his way.

IMHO, I think that when posting often, after a while, we become «stale», lost the feeling of posting anymore, lost the desire to share what we would of find exciting before «staleness».

And if he find another forum that he feels renewed, it's all the best for him, and it's my wishes to him. He might return afresh for all to benefit.

All the best to you Sabrina.

Deega

[Kendall]

I would like to keep Viking's input coming in. Please share the freindlier forums location to those of us who are not offended by a post.

[WHOMADEGOD]

Regardless of your personal views, much of the information raised levels of consciousness, where is the fault in that?

[gripreaper]

He did not say he would "never" return, but I do know he is reviewing "friendlier" forums. Who isn't?

I think I've looked pretty extensively all over the internet for this forum of which you speak, but where is it? I know of no other than Avalon which has the energetic resonance and diversity and civility.

If you find one let me know.

[Eagle]

Regardless of your personal views, much of the information raised levels of consciousness, where is the fault in that?

the harm was, is that it was raising levels, :)

[Wind]

I'm fairly new to the forum, but is always sad to see good people leave a community as magnificent Avalon is. In times like these we spiritual people should be united, not divided.

[modwiz]

Okay . . . what I am about to post will probably get my “hammer in a jam” but I have noticed a couple things that have my curiosity in overdrive.

Let me say first that I feel, to some extent, responsible for the current flood of members leaving the forum who where interested strongly in the channeled messages. I feel somewhat responsible because I was the one who started the thread asking that the threads/posts on channeled messages be reviewed by the moderators. Subsequently there was a tightening down of how channeled messages are posted on Avalon.

Shortly after the tightening down on the channeled messages somebody posted a thread that atticus1 forum was open to the general public for a couple days. . . . . being the ever curious female that I am I trotted right on over to the atticus forum to see what all the hub bub was about. Low and behold what did I see? Darla had just become a bona fide member of atticus . . . . which I found rather fascinating . . . . obviously there is nothing wrong or nefarious with individuals being members of several different forums, but this one rather shocked me. Darla and atticus?? . . . . . don’t know . . . . seems odd. So then my ever curious, over active mind strays over into the questioning realm of, is the atticus forum where other members (interested in channeling) heading?? If so, why? Why to that forum?

Of course I have nothing to really back up my questions other than seeing Darla’s avatar/name appear on atticus at the same time she stopped posting on PA and now viking has retired along with several other members (in the channeled realm) disappear or stop posting on PA. Of course also, someone could be using darla’s name as well . . . .but her name is very unique.

Also too, the “stirring of the pot” thread and atticus’ new interview popped up the same time the “channeled members” stopped posting and disappeared from Avalon.

I am drawing no conclusions to my observations . . . .just one of those little things that make me go hmmmmmm . . . . .

I agree with you that your crusade and success have had an impact. He PM'd me when he left. Too classy a guy to say anything quotable or finger pointing. I will miss him. Classy is not the most common of traits.

[Eagle]

I'm fairly new to the forum, but is always sad to see good people leave a community as magnificent Avalon is. In these like these we spiritual people should be united, not divided.

Don’t get mixed up, those of us who are spiritual are united while those who are not seek to tear down, opposition to light is not darkness but rather fear and confusion.

[EnergyGardener]

It is very concerning that people are turning to channeled messages instead of channeling for themselves, don’t be led down a hole you can never get out of energetically

Dig, I am not sure if many would disagree. My concern is the source, but I have always been fascinated to the intent of the messages, even if provided by NSA via AI. Who wasn't entertained and fascinated by the sequence of events with the trip to the stars, that was supported by several channeled sources? I sincerely admired those PA members that put it out there as volunteers to go. I was hoping that if they did go, they would come back safely. It made great fodder for some, but we learned a lot about each other during that episode.

However, the issue here is that with full disclosure of the source of the message (channeled or otherwise), that should not have been stifled. Worse, very good PA members have been treated badly. I still have not reviewed a good explanation why Darla was given a 3-day vacation. I am still awaiting that. That surprising episode provided notice to many very good souls that our status rests delicately at the whim and fiat of one or more mods. If PA will penalize Darla, PA will penalize anyone!

Thus investment in deep heartfelt threads has dropped off; not only for missing authors, but for authors now knowing there is little reward. Instead of at least knowing there is some appreciation by preaching to the choir, one realizes in short order, the choir is gone. The church is full, but most remaining are worshiping a different religion.

[Eagle]

It is very concerning that people are turning to channeled messages instead of channeling for themselves, don’t be led down a hole you can never get out of energetically

Dig, I am not sure if many would disagree. My concern is the source, but I have always been fascinated to the intent of the messages, even if provided by NSA via AI. Who wasn't entertained and fascinated by the sequence of events with the trip to the stars, that was supported by several channeled sources? I sincerely admired those PA members that put it out there as volunteers to go. I was hoping that if they did go, they would come back safely. It made great fodder for some, but we learned a lot about each other during that episode.

However, the issue here is that with full disclosure of the source of the message (channeled or otherwise), that should not have been stifled. Worse, very good PA members have been treated badly. I still have not reviewed a good explanation why Darla was given a 3-day vacation. I am still awaiting that. That surprising episode provided notice to many very good souls that our status rests delicately at the whim and fiat of one or more mods. If PA will penalize Darla, PA will penalize anyone!

Thus investment in deep heartfelt threads has dropped off; not only for missing authors, but for authors now knowing there is little reward. Instead of at least knowing there is appreciation to preaching to the choir, one realizes the choir is gone. The church is full, but they are worshiping a different religion.

So i guess i will wait my turn to be booted then, untill that time I will listen to the radio in the boys loft and shout out lyrics every once in a while.

[TargeT]

So i guess i will wait my turn to be booted then, untill that time I will listen to the radio in the boys loft and shout out lyrics every once in a while.

I dont see much "booting" going on, I do see emotion based decisions to leave on a voluntary basis.

Info NEEDS to be soursed, I don't see the problem with making info's origin clear, be it channelled, main stream media, theology or "other".

I think it's unfortunate that people are leaving, and I honestly frown on most the "reasons".




Don’t get mixed up, those of us who are spiritual are united while those who are not seek to tear down, opposition to light is not darkness but rather fear and confusion.

Really? It's "us" or "them"?

Do we have to chatigorize/dichotomize like that?

[Eagle]

So i guess i will wait my turn to be booted then, untill that time I will listen to the radio in the boys loft and shout out lyrics every once in a while.

I dont see much "booting" going on, I do see emotion based decisions to leave on a voluntary basis.

Info NEEDS to be soursed, I don't see the problem with making info's origin clear, be it channelled, main stream media, theology or "other".

I think it's unfortunate that people are leaving, and I honestly frown on most the "reasons".




Don’t get mixed up, those of us who are spiritual are united while those who are not seek to tear down, opposition to light is not darkness but rather fear and confusion.

Really? It's "us" or "them"?

Do we have to chatigorize/dichotomize like that?

always has been, you either believe in something or you dont, its just that simple. there is a choice that we make every day to be free or not.

[TargeT]

Well I don't identify with either option, can we get a third? Maybe "other"? (trinity is much more "divine" when compared to duality)

[Eagle]

Well I don't identify with either option, can we get a third? Maybe "other"? (trinity is much more "divine" when compared to duality)

I am with you in one aspect, good and evil are a concept given to us, choices are what we make based on our knowledge. we can chose to be multi dimentional or simply live in 3D land. percetion plays a huge part in what you believe. A choice is still a choice regardless of the direction.

[etm567]

It is very concerning that people are turning to channeled messages instead of channeling for themselves, don’t be led down a hole you can never get out of energetically

People have been listening to channeled information for thousands of years. The key seems to be in telling this channeled info from that channeled info. I do not think any of the folks on this forum who are now looking for greener pastures would take at face value all channeled material. Now, they might read it -- but reading it does not mean taking it to heart. I know I do not take it all to heart. But I certainly have the right to look at it.

I have gotten so tired of this assumption on the part of the anti-channelers that those who read it just buy it all hook, line and sinker. That is not true. I, for one, am relative certain that I have quite good critical faculties. I have never been accused of following anybody's party line by any human being who has ever known me. Not one. I've always been a little bit rebellious and entirely independent. And on this forum, I must say, it actually requires a bit of an independent spirit to stand up for the right of people to read whatever they choose, and to discuss it. It would be much easier to go along with the crowd and point my finger at those silly folks who will believe any nonsense. Like you, kind of. But I'm not going to do it.

I shall continue to use my mind in a way that suits me, myself and I. And I do not feel the need to bow to yours or anyone else's prescriptions about what material deserves to be read. I am quite capable of making up my own mind, thank you very much. So you go read what you want. And I can feel sorry for you, that there is so much potential information that you have denied yourself any possibility of receiving, as it falls into a box with other information that may be suspect, and apparently you do not trust yourself enough to know the difference.

Thank you.

ETM

[Eagle]

It is very concerning that people are turning to channeled messages instead of channeling for themselves, don’t be led down a hole you can never get out of energetically

People have been listening to channeled information for thousands of years. The key seems to be in telling this channeled info from that channeled info. I do not think any of the folks on this forum who are now looking for greener pastures would take at face value all channeled material. Now, they might read it -- but reading it does not mean taking it to heart. I know I do not take it all to heart. But I certainly have the right to look at it.

I have gotten so tired of this assumption on the part of the anti-channelers that those who read it just buy it all hook, line and sinker. That is not true. I, for one, am relative certain that I have quite good critical faculties. I have never been accused of following anybody's party line by any human being who has ever known me. Not one. I've always been a little bit rebellious and entirely independent. And on this forum, I must say, it actually requires a bit of an independent spirit to stand up for the right of people to read whatever they choose, and to discuss it. It would be much easier to go along with the crowd and point my finger at those silly folks who will believe any nonsense. Like you, kind of. But I'm not going to do it.

I shall continue to use my mind in a way that suits me, myself and I. And I do not feel the need to bow to yours or anyone else's prescriptions about what material deserves to be read. I am quite capable of making up my own mind, thank you very much. So you go read what you want. And I can feel sorry for you, that there is so much potential information that you have denied yourself any possibility of receiving, as it falls into a box with other information that may be suspect, and apparently you do not trust yourself enough to know the difference.

Thank you.

ETM

Dont get me wrong I have read and do read alot of channeled messages, and I am learning to channel, I at no time said to anyone not to read them, I said it was concerning. like yourself they need to take from it what is for there highest good and use it. like you are doing, do not read into my words without first understanding the idea being conveyed. again me expressing an idea not a law to live by

[blufire]

modwiz said:

I agree with you that your crusade and success have had an impact. He PM'd me when he left. Too classy a guy to say anything quotable or finger pointing. I will miss him. Classy is not the most common of traits.

You know modwiz you really make me smile sometimes and I really have to hand it to you that you are very talented at delivering these short, very loaded, one line zingers. You used to intimidate the hell out of me but I have rather grown fond of you and understand you on a much deeper level now. Sadly though the last few months I have missed the very valuable input you used to post. Maybe I am on the wrong threads and missing your more thoughtful informed posts.

My thread on reviewing how the channeled messages was simply that . . . .a request to make the determination if how those threads were posted fell within PA’s guidelines and by the moderation's review they did not and they ask nothing more or less from those members on posting anymore than others. . . . .it was not a crusade and absolutely nothing hostile on my part in that thread. In fact I worked really hard to keep that thread calm and respectful as I could . . . . I even asked a couple members who were on “my side“ to back off . . . in fact one of those members has left the forum as well.

Energygardener said:

Viking informed me today that he left because of, " the mods changing the format of channeled information ect etc ...time to go. Information should be made free to everyone, regardless." He did not say he would "never" return, but I do know he is reviewing "friendlier" forums. Who isn't?

It is very sad to me that viking left the forum for such a reason as this, simply because he is wrong. The format in the channeled section is not changed. The format he and other members who post channeled information were and are only asked to follow the rules on how to post material. Yes, the channeled section has the header and “looks” different but I truly believe it says something incredible about Avalon that even though Bill disagrees with “most” channeled messages he also values the messages enough to let us discern them and therefore allows all of them on his forum.

I honestly wish and have asked several times that instead of only posting the message that viking, etm567 and Darla and others who valued and saw something deeper and truths in these messages would post their thoughts on the threads . . . .but this rarely happens and usually with just affirmation of how it makes individuals feel. No one took this ability to post channeled messages away from anyone . . . only a request to follow the rules that should apply to everyone.

We all hear channeled messages every night . . . they are called dreams . . . .we can hear, what I call, the “hive of the fold” when we are asleep and shut off all the conscious noise of our everyday life.

I find the many comments about “friendlier forums” surprising . . . . . . if Darla and the others who maybe following her over to the atticus1 forum thinks they are going to get a friendly, arms open wide, come on in and set a spell welcoming there . . . well lets just say, getting the hide ripped off your back would be a better experience.

And by the way . . . . let me know when you guys find “that friendly forum” that will put up with some of these same shenanigans and I will eat my compost pile. ;)

[Sabrina]

Okay . . . what I am about to post will probably get my “hammer in a jam” but I have noticed a couple things that have my curiosity in overdrive.

Let me say first that I feel, to some extent, responsible for the current flood of members leaving the forum who where interested strongly in the channeled messages. I feel somewhat responsible because I was the one who started the thread asking that the threads/posts on channeled messages be reviewed by the moderators. Subsequently there was a tightening down of how channeled messages are posted on Avalon.

Shortly after the tightening down on the channeled messages somebody posted a thread that atticus1 forum was open to the general public for a couple days. . . . . being the ever curious female that I am I trotted right on over to the atticus forum to see what all the hub bub was about. Low and behold what did I see? Darla had just become a bona fide member of atticus . . . . which I found rather fascinating . . . . obviously there is nothing wrong or nefarious with individuals being members of several different forums, but this one rather shocked me. Darla and atticus?? . . . . . don’t know . . . . seems odd. So then my ever curious, over active mind strays over into the questioning realm of, is the atticus forum where other members (interested in channeling) heading?? If so, why? Why to that forum?

Of course I have nothing to really back up my questions other than seeing Darla’s avatar/name appear on atticus at the same time she stopped posting on PA and now viking has retired along with several other members (in the channeled realm) disappear or stop posting on PA. Of course also, someone could be using darla’s name as well . . . .but her name is very unique.

Also too, the “stirring of the pot” thread and atticus’ new interview popped up the same time the “channeled members” stopped posting and disappeared from Avalon.

I am drawing no conclusions to my observations . . . .just one of those little things that make me go hmmmmmm . . . . .

Lol don't expect you're that powerful Blufire! People come and go all the time - but Viking was obviously well-liked by some for his owning of his own truth. You know that I've said before that I find the whole channeling debate pretty simplistic and naive, and seems like a mischief-making distraction. Who cares if some like reading channeled messages - I enjoy some. And yet I roll my eyes at some non-channeled messages and think 'huh really...'. Let's all use our own intuition and make our own decisions - and isn't tuning into your own intuition and higher self a form of channeling? The whole Charles thing was far more of a damaging-making fiasco than any message by the GLF or Salusa.

And frankly, I couldn't care a hoot where Darla's avatar appears. Is this anything to do with this Viking thread? No doesn't seem to be. Seems to be a very clumsy and not very elegant way of trying to stir things. I look at why you raise it and think hmmmm - funny old life we have in 3D, haven't we got bigger and more meaningful fish to fry - apparently some haven't. :)

[etm567]

I honestly wish and have asked several times that instead of only posting the message that viking, etm567 and Darla and others who valued and saw something deeper and truths in these messages would post their thoughts on the threads . . . .but this rarely happens and usually with just affirmation of how it makes individuals feel. No one took this ability to post channeled messages away from anyone . . . only a request to follow the rules that should apply to everyone.




Dear Blufire:

Would you please show me where I posted channeled information without any commentary? I don't think I ever have, unless it was connected to one where I had. I don't usually post channeled material myself at all, apart from The Law of One. More often I am defending the right of other people to post it and not be harassed for doing so. I also do try to call attention to what the Law of One has to say about channeled material, and the importance of our learning to read it and to determine for ourselves what is the truth. Apparently, that may in and of itself be an important exercise. But to do that, you have to read it first.

And even the mods admit that they were not enforcing the rules you refer to anywhere on Avalon. So, you were asking them to treat those posts differently from the way any posts up until that time were being treated. So now they are going to follow their own rules, only they won't enforce it all the time, because they can't, not enough time or energy. I think that's what Paul said on another thread.

If in a particular situation a rule is not being enforced, pretty much anywhere, and you come along and ask the mods to please enforce that rule relevant to channeled material, but do not ask them to enforce it anywhere else, it seems to me you were certainly singling out channeled messages.

Sincerely,

ETM

[etm567]

And by the way . . . . let me know when you guys find “that friendly forum” that will put up with some of these same shenanigans and I will eat my compost pile. ;)

Excuse me? SHenanigans? I must have misunderstood you. Maybe you could explain what you mean by "shenanigans," which "shenanigans," and who was guilty of them?

ANd about "following" Darla? What are you talking about? Why do you give two hoots where Darla goes, or where I go, or where Viking goes? You got what you wanted, you should be celebrating. And now all the threads that post quoted material should be following the guidelines, not just those in the channeling forum. Right? But you say the other forums were already doing that? I think not....

ETM

[etm567]

It is very concerning that people are turning to channeled messages instead of channeling for themselves, don’t be led down a hole you can never get out of energetically

People have been listening to channeled information for thousands of years. The key seems to be in telling this channeled info from that channeled info. I do not think any of the folks on this forum who are now looking for greener pastures would take at face value all channeled material. Now, they might read it -- but reading it does not mean taking it to heart. I know I do not take it all to heart. But I certainly have the right to look at it.

I have gotten so tired of this assumption on the part of the anti-channelers that those who read it just buy it all hook, line and sinker. That is not true. I, for one, am relative certain that I have quite good critical faculties. I have never been accused of following anybody's party line by any human being who has ever known me. Not one. I've always been a little bit rebellious and entirely independent. And on this forum, I must say, it actually requires a bit of an independent spirit to stand up for the right of people to read whatever they choose, and to discuss it. It would be much easier to go along with the crowd and point my finger at those silly folks who will believe any nonsense. Like you, kind of. But I'm not going to do it.

I shall continue to use my mind in a way that suits me, myself and I. And I do not feel the need to bow to yours or anyone else's prescriptions about what material deserves to be read. I am quite capable of making up my own mind, thank you very much. So you go read what you want. And I can feel sorry for you, that there is so much potential information that you have denied yourself any possibility of receiving, as it falls into a box with other information that may be suspect, and apparently you do not trust yourself enough to know the difference.

Thank you.

ETM

Dont get me wrong I have read and do read alot of channeled messages, and I am learning to channel, I at no time said to anyone not to read them, I said it was concerning. like yourself they need to take from it what is for there highest good and use it. like you are doing, do not read into my words without first understanding the idea being conveyed. again me expressing an idea not a law to live by

Dear Dig,

It may be that I have misunderstood you, and if so, I am truly sorry. But I am responding to what you said, "It is very concerning that people are turning to channeled messages instead of channeling for themselves..." It appears to me that you find it concerning that people are reading channeled messages instead of doing it themselves. I think I find it more concerning that so many people distrust it so much that they will not read any of it. I have this point of view because of the value I ascribe to the Law of One, and of course others may not share that. But the Law of One says that we should read channeled material and figure out for ourselves what the truth is, as that very exercise will help us to "raise our vibrations." Proof will not be offered, according to the Law of One. And, additionally, any "doom and gloom" material is most probably corrupted. And yes, much material is corrupted, but that is our task, to figure that out.

There are quite a few people, including here at Avalon, who always respond to any channeled material in a very predictable way: Don't they see they are being lied to by all this GFL AI? (no, not all of the GFL material is from the same place...). How can they be so blind, as to read all that goody goody condescending garbage and take it to heart? Well, some of it is quite positive, even uncomfortably positive, and it may be that where we are going we will experience love that is indescribable -- as so many folks who have experienced near death experiences talk about. And such love, which I cannot even begin to imagine, much less feel myself, would be positive to an extreme, and something pretty alien to our everyday existence.

Does that mean it cannot be true? I don't think so. I think it is very uncomfortable for many of us.. But I am choosing, and I say CHOOSING very deliberately, to accept that where we are going can be a positive place, and that such an experience of unconditional love may indeed exist in our universe. And I look forward to that. If I am wrong, so be it. But I am choosing not to go down that road, of paranoia and fear and hate and condemnation.

It would be much more comfortable, no kidding. Most of us react, emotionally, in fairly negative ways. Me most of all! So, positive versus negative? It's hard to go down that happy road, I think it's much harder for many of us than to go down that paranoid, hateful road. It's hard to accept that I should hold love in my heart for everyone! I don't want to! Please, let me dislike them, be angry, judge, just a little, please? I recognize that I am doing that.

But at the same time I am trying to explain why I think it is mistaken to take that point of view about channeled material, as if to read something really positive and potentially uplifting is a bad, silly, naive, or stupid thing to do. I think it is actually a brave thing to do.

[blufire]

Sabrina said:

Lol don't expect you're that powerful Blufire! People come and go all the time - but Viking was obviously well-liked by some for his owning of his own truth.

Lol . . . . never thought I was very powerful . . . mostly pretty concerned that I started the whole thing (channel members leaving) by posting that thread. I like viking too! He has a way of getting his feathers ruffled and then turning everything back around to a positive. I can understand his wanting to get away for a while . . .we all need a breather once in a while.

This is a very complicated time and extremely important in our ability to sift through all the fodder to find the foundational meanings . . . tough


The whole Charles thing was far more of a damaging-making fiasco than any message by the GLF or Salusa.
And frankly, I couldn't care a hoot where Darla's avatar appears. Is this anything to do with this Viking thread? No doesn't seem to be. Seems to be a very clumsy and not very elegant way of trying to stir things.

I’m not sure if I agree totally with this statement. There is something down deep and way in the back of my mind’s eye that has always sent up red flags regarding the GLF and Salusa. . . . too many unknowns that cannot be resolved.

The Charles statement absolutely I agree he/it was very damaging and yet incredibly revealing to some of the “under workings” going on in the alternative community. Very telling and very unsettling pieces of the puzzle popped out for me in that whole mess . . . and quite frankly . . . pieces are still presenting themselves and falling into place.

And this is the very reason why it completely surprised me when I saw Darla had become a member there. Why there? And this is only relevant to viking in that he was very supportive of Darla and the channeled threads and now has not only left but “retired” his membership. Has he, as well as other PA members activated memberships on atticus too? And how in the world would they think they would be more accepted there? So yes . . it really does concern me and makes me question a lot of motives and other thoughts.

Lol . . . I agree totally I can be very clumsy and not very elegant . . . never claimed to be “this” type of member. I am who I am . . . . I know I see things from a very different perspective and tend to aggravate a lot of people. But I hope I also rile people up enough to maybe jar them out of a “regular” way of thinking. I used to be very intimidated and easily back off by some of the more “fancy” and “big-worded” posters . . . but I realized when I took away all the fancy verbiage and posturing they ain’t any smarter or “higher-vibrating” than I am.


haven't we got bigger and more meaningful fish to fry - apparently some haven't.

Yep we do . . . but you know sometimes it is those little nibblers that can really destroy the foundation of just about anything . . . I tend to watch for those little suckers more than the big obvious ones . . . .

With that I think I’ll trot over to your Massive Bank Resigning thread . . . . I have noticed a few nibblers in there too . . . . .

[etm567]

He did not say he would "never" return, but I do know he is reviewing "friendlier" forums. Who isn't?

I think I've looked pretty extensively all over the internet for this forum of which you speak, but where is it? I know of no other than Avalon which has the energetic resonance and diversity and civility.

If you find one let me know.

Maybe "friendliness" is a subjective experience that may differ according to individuals, depending on their personal interests and what they consequently encounter in response to their interests and posts?

I think a number of folks who liked to post channeled material in the spirituality forum found that ongoing discussion kind of aggressive and hostile, and certainly didn't get friendly vibes from it. So that might color their experience of the degree of friendliness of this forum. I myself have not found this to be a very friendly forum either, but that's okay. I'm sure I'm responsible for that, since I am such a shallow, naive, follower not capable of any critical thinking of my own. :-) (That was meant to be sarcastic. I mean, surely, it must be a little bit contradictory, the standard criticism of those who read channeled material as naive, silly "love and lighters" and someone like me? I only wish I could be more like them.)

Namaste,

ETM

[blufire]

Etm567. . . .I very respectfully choose not to engage with you. If I try to answer your questions it will only raise other questions and upset you and others even more.

These sorts of volleys never come to a positive conclusion.

The only thing I will say is I really don’t know what you mean by “I got what I wanted” or by others saying I was hostile or on a campaign of some sort. Like Sabrina said I am not that powerful. If the moderators thought my request was out of line or unsubstantiated the thread would have been ignored.

[etm567]

Lol . . . . never thought I was very powerful . . . mostly pretty concerned that I started the whole thing (channel members leaving) by posting that thread. I like viking too! He has a way of getting his feathers ruffled and then turning everything back around to a positive. I can understand his wanting to get away for a while . . .we all need a breather once in a while.

Hmm, I find that just a wee bit condescending.


This is a very complicated time and extremely important in our ability to sift through all the fodder to find the foundational meanings . . . tough

....
There is something down deep and way in the back of my mind’s eye that has always sent up red flags regarding the GLF and Salusa. . . . too many unknowns that cannot be resolved. . Yes, and some people want to look at channeled material, including that from sources that you might not approve of. And they would like the option to judge that material for themselves, based on their own individual experiences, which are very probably very, very different from yours. And just as valid, no?





And frankly, I couldn't care a hoot where Darla's avatar appears. Is this anything to do with this Viking thread? No doesn't seem to be. Seems to be a very clumsy and not very elegant way of trying to stir things.Could the lady be protesting a little too much?


The Charles statement absolutely I agree he/it was very damaging and yet incredibly revealing to some of the “under workings” going on in the alternative community. Very telling and very unsettling pieces of the puzzle popped out for me in that whole mess . . . and quite frankly . . . pieces are still presenting themselves and falling into place. There do seem to be two sides to every disagreement. I'm not at all sure that Stephen what's-his-name (Atticus/Charles) is the monster some here seem to think he is. But I honestly don't know. However, I maintain the right to make that assessment for myself, when I am ready to... After I have gathered sufficient information from all sides. Making such judgments based on what is presented from one side of an argument can possibly lead to mistakes in judgment. Better to get both stories, don't you think?


And this is the very reason why it completely surprised me when I saw Darla had become a member there. Why there? And this is only relevant to viking in that he was very supportive of Darla and the channeled threads and now has not only left but “retired” his membership. Has he, as well as other PA members activated memberships on atticus too? And how in the world would they think they would be more accepted there? So yes . . it really does concern me and makes me question a lot of motives and other thoughts.
Did you personally have a bad experience there?


Lol . . . I agree totally I can be very clumsy and not very elegant . . . never claimed to be “this” type of member. I am who I am . . . . I know I see things from a very different perspective and tend to aggravate a lot of people. But I hope I also rile people up enough to maybe jar them out of a “regular” way of thinking. I used to be very intimidated and easily back off by some of the more “fancy” and “big-worded” posters . . . but I realized when I took away all the fancy verbiage and posturing they ain’t any smarter or “higher-vibrating” than I am. I think you and I probably share some attributes here... I have always unfortunately been very aggravating to many other people. Ah, but here, I think you are stuck in a regular way of thinking. Certainly the comfortable, easy, go-along-with-the-group way of thinking; certainly the more acceptable to the mainstream way of thinking. Not at all so out of the box. Gee, what is out of the box about putting down channeled info? Give me a break...




haven't we got bigger and more meaningful fish to fry - apparently some haven't. Yep we do . . . but you know sometimes it is those little nibblers that can really destroy the foundation of just about anything . . . I tend to watch for those little suckers more than the big obvious ones . . . .

With that I think I’ll trot over to your Massive Bank Resigning thread . . . . I have noticed a few nibblers in there too . . . . .And for some reason you won't answer any of my questions, even when they relate directly to something specific you have said about me. Not that you said anything bad, I'm not suggesting that. It was just quite inaccurate. So I wouldn't mind an answer. But maybe I have become too aggravating to you? That was not my intention, but it is a very real weakness of mine.

ETM

[modwiz]

modwiz said:

I agree with you that your crusade and success have had an impact. He PM'd me when he left. Too classy a guy to say anything quotable or finger pointing. I will miss him. Classy is not the most common of traits.

You know modwiz you really make me smile sometimes and I really have to hand it to you that you are very talented at delivering these short, very loaded, one line zingers. You used to intimidate the hell out of me but I have rather grown fond of you and understand you on a much deeper level now. Sadly though the last few months I have missed the very valuable input you used to post. Maybe I am on the wrong threads and missing your more thoughtful informed posts.

My thread on reviewing how the channeled messages was simply that . . . .a request to make the determination if how those threads were posted fell within PA’s guidelines and by the moderation's review they did not and they ask nothing more or less from those members on posting anymore than others. . . . .it was not a crusade and absolutely nothing hostile on my part in that thread. In fact I worked really hard to keep that thread calm and respectful as I could . . . . I even asked a couple members who were on “my side“ to back off . . . in fact one of those members has left the forum as well.



There is more to this story than is seeing the light. Interested parties 'put off' by certain materials. Efforts at damage control. Allies in the right places.

As for friendlier forums. I am not aware of a better forum than this one. There are issues here as other places, but overall PA is where I am happiest. I am saddened when good members leave, but that is just me being selfish. Besides it also effects the balance that makes PA such an interesting forum.

The only constant is change.

[TargeT]

Sabrina said:

Lol don't expect you're that powerful Blufire! People come and go all the time - but Viking was obviously well-liked by some for his owning of his own truth.

Lol . . . . never thought I was very powerful . . . mostly pretty concerned that I started the whole thing (channel members leaving) by posting that thread. I like viking too! He has a way of getting his feathers ruffled and then turning everything back around to a positive. I can understand his wanting to get away for a while . . .we all need a breather once in a while.


I would examine those feelings "never thought I was very powerful" and their source, perhaps it's just me but why would you take blame for stating an opinion then people acting on it, there is no power there, you should be free to say what ever you want with out hesitation, this seems like an ego based statement; be ware of those.




The whole Charles thing was far more of a damaging-making fiasco than any message by the GLF or Salusa.
And frankly, I couldn't care a hoot where Darla's avatar appears. Is this anything to do with this Viking thread? No doesn't seem to be. Seems to be a very clumsy and not very elegant way of trying to stir things.
The Charles statement absolutely I agree he/it was very damaging and yet incredibly revealing to some of the “under workings” going on in the alternative community. Very telling and very unsettling pieces of the puzzle popped out for me in that whole mess . . . and quite frankly . . . pieces are still presenting themselves and falling into place.

And this is the very reason why it completely surprised me when I saw Darla had become a member there. Why there?

What was very telling and unsettling? what puzzle did you examine?

I will say that you examined no puzzles, that you perhaps went along with a common theme that prevailed here on "this" forum.... I have researched this subject and found nothing amiss other than judgement, ego & emotion based reaction. (which is commonly the "fault" of all "falling out" type issues)

why would you be surprised to see Darla there; they (as far as I know) do not support channeled messages in anyway so I am also surprised, but I think for different reasons than you are.

Belief in a thing is healthy (no matter the topic); BUT, belief with emotion in the lead is rarely productive, ensure you are not making this mistake, review athene's theory ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbh5l0b2-0o ) on everything (at least the first 10 min) for the concept I am referring to if unfamiliar.

[WhiteFeather]

The Law Of One (http://www.lawofone.info/) Ra Material which is (Channeled Material) and Most of Dolores Cannon's Books are channeled material using the somnambulistic hypnosis method on her patients. Project Camelot supports her work tremendously as well as Bob Dean. I do support most of the channeled materials myself. I was a little annoyed at the comments made by some of our members about channeled materials, but it didn't effect me or persuade me to leave this forum as of yet. I do miss reading the positive and enlightening channeled messages from the members who left this forum. Hope they come back some day. They were very magical to say the least. In Light ~W.f.~

[TargeT]

The Law Of One (http://www.lawofone.info/) Ra Material which is (Channeled Material) and Most of Dolores Cannon's Books are channeled material using the somnambulistic hypnosis method on her patients. Project Camelot supports her work tremendously as well as Bob Dean. I do support most of the channeled materials myself. I was a little annoyed at the comments made by some of our members about channeled materials, but it didn't effect me or persuade me to leave this forum as of yet. I do miss reading the positive and enlightening channeled messages from the members who left this forum. Hope they come back some day. They were very magical to say the least. In Light ~W.f.~

this is the proper(IMO) response to criticism of a topic you support

acknowledge your emotional response, that is a natural thing, do not let it lead to absolutes (I.E. "I will never come back" etc..). experience your emotion, do not let it experience you.

[jorr lundstrom]

Ive found him. LOL

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/Vikings_468x364.jpg

All is well


Jorr

[EnergyGardener]

He did not say he would "never" return, but I do know he is reviewing "friendlier" forums. Who isn't?

I think I've looked pretty extensively all over the internet for this forum of which you speak, but where is it? I know of no other than Avalon which has the energetic resonance and diversity and civility.

If you find one let me know.

gripreaper,

If and when that happens, I will do as you ask.

[EnergyGardener]

And by the way . . . . let me know when you guys find “that friendly forum” that will put up with some of these same shenanigans and I will eat my compost pile. ;)

As tempting as that might be to watch, wouldn't that defeat the purpose?:loco:

[gripreaper]

I do miss reading the positive and enlightening channeled messages from the members who left this forum.

You can go here and read channeled messages to your hearts content. Almost every channeled message is posted at this site.

http://the2012scenario.com/

[etm567]

acknowledge your emotional response, that is a natural thing, do not let it lead to absolutes (I.E. "I will never come back" etc..). experience your emotion, do not let it experience you.

I'm sure Whitefeather is relieved that you deem his response "correct." As to "I will never come back," pray tell, who as said that here lately? Did I miss something? As far as I can see, this is just more obfuscation and misrepresentation of what has transpired, just as there are those who always accuse those who read channeled material of "taking the bait hook, line and sinker," no matter how they really may view it.


ETM

[jcocks]

Sad to see so many good members leaving... But, like other here, I have not been able to find another forum that gives me the same feeling as here where I could feel as comfortable.

Atticus1 looks ok, but I am worried about what they are trying to do, I do not get the feeling that their particular path bodes well for anyone....

We are entering very interesting times, it will be a pity not to be able to share these times with many of the good folk here that have recently left (including Viking, darla, etc..), whose contribution here I greatly appreciated... But oh well, such is life.....

It's up to the rest of us here to fill the void and not let ourselves descend into petty bickering...

[Godiam]

Whatever happened to "LIVE and let LIVE"?
Why as enlightened beings, do we feel the need to impose our TRUTHS on others?
We cannot CHANGE other people, but we can CHANGE the way we see other people! Is it that hard to accept that some people actually like to read so called CHANNELED MESSAGES, and don't always take everything as gospel, Do we need to assume that those of us, who are interested in reading the CHANNELED MESSAGES, cannot have any DISCERNMENT??

It is one of my pet dislikes. when someone tries to impose their will on me, and doesn't allow me to make my own way WITHIN MY OWN TRUTH!

LIVE AND LET LIVE!!!

HUGS...........Godiam

[Sabrina]

Whatever happened to "LIVE and let LIVE"?
Why as enlightened beings, do we feel the need to impose our TRUTHS on others?
We cannot CHANGE other people, but we can CHANGE the way we see other people! Is it that hard to accept that some people actually like to read so called CHANNELED MESSAGES, and don't always take everything as gospel, Do we need to assume that those of us, who are interested in reading the CHANNELED MESSAGES, cannot have any DISCERNMENT??

It is one of my pet dislikes. when someone tries to impose their will on me, and doesn't allow me to make my own way WITHIN MY OWN TRUTH!

LIVE AND LET LIVE!!!

HUGS...........Godiam

Absolutely agree Godiam. Everyone on this forum can take what they want out of any thread and either read it or pass - agree or disagree - laugh hysterically or sob.... We don't need anyone trying go tell us OHHH be CAREFUL of THIS etc. etc... That is so what this forum should not be about. That's what members of some years object to. It says far more about the person trying to impose their beliefs on others. But I also think things are being deliberately stirred up - waste of energy on that front. My dears, my channel says, get over it, let everyone own their own truth, good luck to Viking, let Blufire stir her compost pile in the privacy of her own garden (to quote her)..... and we're all one... I guess. :)

[sygh]

Geeze, I leave for a few days and come back to this? Where's Viking?

[TargeT]

acknowledge your emotional response, that is a natural thing, do not let it lead to absolutes (I.E. "I will never come back" etc..). experience your emotion, do not let it experience you.

I'm sure Whitefeather is relieved that you deem his response "correct." As to "I will never come back," pray tell, who as said that here lately? Did I miss something? As far as I can see, this is just more obfuscation and misrepresentation of what has transpired, just as there are those who always accuse those who read channeled material of "taking the bait hook, line and sinker," no matter how they really may view it.


ETM

Honestly I do not post for your benefit, nor whitefeathers; I participate here to refine my own ideas ( of which there are few) and opinions ( of which there are many) and be exposed to those of others. I feel that writing is the mirror to the soul & post in an "as thought" manner so I can later read what I wrote for further insight into "me".

As for my example of an absolute, it was just that; you can read more into it if you wish, but my intent is not congruent with your statement. I try to shun absolutes, no matter the topic, channelled material & belief or non-belief not withstanding.

Opertunities for clarity abound.




Whatever happened to "LIVE and let LIVE"?
Why as enlightened beings, do we feel the need to impose our TRUTHS on others?
We cannot CHANGE other people, but we can CHANGE the way we see other people! Is it that hard to accept that some people actually like to read so called CHANNELED MESSAGES, and don't always take everything as gospel, Do we need to assume that those of us, who are interested in reading the CHANNELED MESSAGES, cannot have any DISCERNMENT??

It is one of my pet dislikes. when someone tries to impose their will on me, and doesn't allow me to make my own way WITHIN MY OWN TRUTH!

LIVE AND LET LIVE!!!

HUGS...........Godiam

Absolutely agree Godiam. Everyone on this forum can take what they want out of any thread and either read it or pass - agree or disagree - laugh hysterically or sob.... We don't need anyone trying go tell us OHHH be CAREFUL of THIS etc. etc... That is so what this forum should not be about. That's what members of some years object to. It says far more about the person trying to impose their beliefs on others. But I also think things are being deliberately stirred up - waste of energy on that front. My dears, my channel says, get over it, let everyone own their own truth, good luck to Viking, let Blufire stir her compost pile in the privacy of her own garden (to quote her)..... and we're all one... I guess. :)


When thinking in a "fractal reality" context; everything must reflect the whole in some manner or another; and thus everything (no matter the sourse) will be worth reading.

Very good comment

[andrewgreen]

If people didn't leave their would be less space for new people. Why look at it as a being negative, the forum is still growing in more than one way and Viking has seemingly grown in some way too.

I think it was the mark of the man that he never made a huge drama about leaving like some people like to do. Humble, inquisitive, intelligent and far out, an interesting mix that enabled him to move forward seeing the bigger picture and not needing to be a martyr over differences in opinion which happen in absolutely every walk of life, not just here as some people seem to believe.

To the people claiming that they may be responsible for him leaving, reality check please the world does not revolve around you.

[WhiteFeather]

Remember this Thread when you originally signed up for Avalon. Seems like some have forgotten this message from Bill Ryan. Have a gander.


Dear New Avalonian,

Welcome to the Project Avalon Forum. We sincerely hope you enjoy your stay.

This forum is a little different in a number of ways:

First of all you had to be invited to get here!

A lot of the forum is hidden to non-members (including this message). There are some readable areas, but most require you to be a member to not only see them, but post as well.

Membership is tiered. This means that the more you post and the longer you've been a member, the more you can do.

Community Groups can now be found on the top menu under Community > Groups.

What happened to the original Avalon Forum?

As happens with many forums, what we now call 'Avalon 1' descended into an uncomfortable degree of chaos. When this happens in a public place (whether physical or virtual), it's always the actions of individuals that perpetrate that.

Much of the time - but not always - this is deliberate. What we can say is that a number of members there were not at the same spiritual and intellectual level and understanding as we hope and believe you are -hence your invitation.

A way forward needed to be found that allowed the message and vision that this forum represents to be preserved and supported by members who are fully in support of all the principles we espouse.

What is that Message and Vision?

In creating this new forum, we're encouraging all members who've been invited here to:

Start or participate in community projects that will radiate out to the members' communities - or

Post information and participate in regards to awakening; spirituality; healing humanity; galactic and earth changes; '2012' (whatever that may mean!); geopolitics; new science; hidden history; ETs and disclosure; what we are not being told by those who might wish to control us - and much else.

Please be proactive in real time in the true spirit of Avalon. Many of you already do, of course. However, we'd like you all to share more about these activities as it will lead to others becoming awakened.

So...

Please do us and this forum proud - and show us the spiritual beings we know you to be.

Please always remember that this is in essence a private party. We value quality, not quantity. We don't aspire to be like Above Top Secret or Godlike Productions (and there are good reasons for that). This private party is a place of learning, awareness, respect, intelligence, community and fun.

We're delighted to have accepted your membership application on the basis of what we believe we understand about you.

Please understand that if we come to understand other aspects which were not apparent when we first started to get to know you, then we may politely ask you to leave.

Please see this clarifying post for a little more about this. As of 19 January 2011, we're regarding all new Avalonians as PROVISIONAL MEMBERS, who we look forward to upgrading after your first few posts once we have a good idea who you are, what your values are, and how you communicate and relate to others.

If we do ask you to leave, we intend no disrespect - and do not intend conflict. It would just be that the moderator team, working closely together, would have reached the decision that the invitation may have been a mistake and that you may be more satisfied communicating and contributing elsewhere.

A note about the one aspect of the forum which is more controversial than any other: that of channeled messages. The moderator team, fully supported by myself, have made the decision to post a disclaimer on threads on that particular subforum.

My personal opinion, which is fairly well-informed, is that many channeled messages offer many nice words and plenty of saccharine hope - but little of substance and in all probability (I'm afraid) little that is real.

There are deep, dark games played here, and there is much deliberate deception both on the physical (electromagnetic) and astral levels. We encourage intelligent inquiry - and discourage proselytizing and anything that smacks of promoting belief systems of any kind.

And in all that, we're all committed to discovering the truth. My personal purpose is to support that in happening - wherever that leads.

*******

To see the rest of the forum and enable you to post, simply reply to this thread as acknowledgement.

The system will detect the reply. Within 10 minutes, your title will automatically change to Avalon Junior Member and you will be activated.

And for those of you who were long-time senior members of the original Avalon, you'll probably find that you will be manually upgraded to Senior Member by one of the team in due course. I would also encourage you to re-post here your best threads from Avalon 1 so that the new forum may enjoy them. We welcome that.

Once again, welcome aboard. Post your reply, and we'll see you on the other side.

[STATIC]

It's good to read that message again Whitefeather.

I think we should post it every now and then so all will remember the foundation on which Avalon was built.

Just in case anyone has forgotten :)

[gooty64]

I have mixed feelings about Viking leaving Avalon Forum. I would rather see him stay here and be able to come together as a unit or as "Unity in Diversity".

The mixed feelings part was the prolific posting of tabloid-like stuff and the cotton candy channeling like this one from recently:


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Ok as requested by some folk whom are critical of channeling and ask to state why the material is relevent...I ask you all to read this here passage in the hope that you will find some answers within...read and digest the content before comment...



Recognize Your Own Power To Help The Many

Aton, The One Light

Good morning, little one. It is I, Aton, The One Light. I am the ONENESS which connects all life together to make up The Whole. Be at peace and be still.

You who play in the physical arena are in the times prophesied by many an en-Light-ened wayshower from times past. This is not a time to be feared, but rather, a time to look forward to, with the anticipation and eagerness of a small child awaiting Christmas morning.

There shall be the apparent atrocities along the way, such as you ones just witnessed in the Persian Gulf area of your world. The actions taken by the “global community” could be easily viewed as a grown adult male beating on a small child, in terms of physical might. There is no true community spirit in what your global “elite” controllers have planned for you.

Your world is controlled by less than 2% of your population, and the majority of you still continue to fall for the same old tricks that the Darkened ones have been playing for thousands of years. These ones are like the stage magician who dazzles you with distraction while setting up the next sleight of hand. Impeachment, war, stock market fluctuations, weather catastrophes and such are all part of the dazzle to keep you from seeing the truth at hand of your enslavement.

Knowledge is only as powerful as is its holder’s willingness to act upon it and use it in a reasonable manner. You can know truth, and hold it in a coveted manner, without any immediate consequence to yourself. However, as time passes by, you will become very uncomfortable as you see all of the people you could have helped if you had just stepped forward and shared what you know.

There are MANY who hold such accurate, experiential, first-hand knowledge, who are afraid to step forward out of fear of possible repercussions. Then there are the ones, such as Mr. Bob Lazar, who do not hesitate to step forward and tell ALL that they know.

[Editor’s Note: For those of you who do not know about Bob Lazar, study his information on the Internet. He is a physicist who claims to have worked at secret government/military installations on the reverse engineering of captured alien spacecraft for terrestrial use. Some of this work has been successful, and indicates just how far our secret technologies are ahead of what the public thinks. Other aspects of the reverse engineering efforts are like putting a piano in front of a group of gorillas—it will be “awhile” before they figure out how to build one or what to use it for!]

What has your “mighty” government done to hurt Bob Lazar? What can they do within reason? If they prosecute him, then they are admitting to the world that what this man says is TRUTH! If they kill him, they make him a martyr and really get people looking at his information.

Do you see? The ones who put aside their fears, and follow their heart, which knows the value of the information they hold and how ALL of humanity can greatly benefit from the “secret” information, are walking within the Protective Light of My Will.

Great gifts have been given to your world in many forms—from spiritual insights to advanced technologies that would enable your species to clean-up the environmental messes you are making and feed your starving world. These gifts have been, for the most part, confiscated, hidden, and exploited by your Dark “elite” controllers in their petty games of manipulation, deceit, and insane ego-bolstering.

YOU WHO REMAIN QUIET ABOUT YOUR SPECIALIZED KNOWLEDGE DO NO SERVICE FOR YOUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS, FOR YOUR WORLD IS ON THE BRINK OF MASSIVE PHYSICAL CHANGE, AND THESE TECHNOLOGIES WILL BE USED AGAINST THE VERY PEOPLE WHOM YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE PROTECTING.

HOW WILL YOU FEEL ABOUT THE DECISIONS FOR SILENCE YOU HAVE MADE, IN FEAR, WHEN THE RESULTS OF THOSE CHOICES MOST CERTAINLY CIRCLE BACK TO IMPACT NEGATIVELY UPON YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS IN SOME VERY BIG WAYS?

Take a step forward and tell your “secret” stories! And pay attention to avenues such as this publication, the one called NEXUS, and the late-night radio talk-show Coast To Coast AM, for therein are some of many possible valid avenues for broadcasting such information. When more and more step forward and shed Light upon the “secret” technologies, there will result a “safety in numbers” and an exponential increase in the probability of survival of your planetary species.

Do this out of the Inner Knowing that it is the right thing to do, and you will be well protected. It is MY promise!

Do it for the greed of money and ego gratification, and you will, by your own hand, be putting yourself in a very compromised situation.

The “right” reason will resonate to the core of your being and thus tap great reservoirs of My Power. Your frequency will thus increase into a range where those who would intend you harm would simply not be able to co-exist for long within your physical space. This is the protective shielding of My Light at work!

This is as much a part of true physics as are the extra-terrestrial craft, which your governments have possession of, that use thought projections from an individual to directly interact with and operate the craft.

So, what are these “thought projections”? Your thoughts are as tangible as is the fruit which grows on trees or the air you breathe. They are electromagnetic, bipolar, pulse-wave emanations. They can become quite visible in what you ones call etheric space (what some call hyperspace).

Your thoughts are capable of interacting with the physical environment in very direct and noticeable manners. Just the act of observing (focusing attention upon) a situation both adds energy to it and thus modifies what you are observing.

[Editor’s Note: From a more limited perspective than what is being addressed above, quantum physics has long recognized a principle which recognizes a rudimentary version of this interactive phenomenon, called the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Interested readers should consult a good scientific dictionary or physics textbook for more information about its fascinating implications.

When expanded to include “non-physical” energies, this unavoidable interaction process is key to such fundamental mind-over-matter phenomena as psychokinesis and levitation. For selfish reasons of control over the masses, the Dark “elite” crooks have expended great efforts of propaganda to convince you that such phenomena do not exist. Many heavily credentialed (and well paid) prostitute-puppets of the Dark Forces are more than happy to tell you things which serve to keep you asleep to your true potential as a Lighted being. However, it will be increasingly difficult to keep a lid on such truths as time marches forward because, as Commander Soltec commented in his 12/12/98 Message, more and more scientists are observing mind-over-matter phenomena in modern, ultra-sensitive experiments—whether they like it or not!]

You project (usually in a passive, scattered manner) your consciousness into whatever your thoughts are focused upon from moment to moment. These thoughts and ideas usually will cause an emotional response within you, proportional to the emotional charge associated with the thought. For many, the idea of watching two puppies playing will give a sensation of amusement and bring a smile to your face. Likewise, the thought of cattle in a slaughterhouse will usually sir-up emotional sensations closer to sadness or outrage or even physical nausea for some.

When you are thinking thoughts which resonate with the core (non-physical) essence of your being—that is, with your Higher Self—you are literally unstoppable! By contrast, when you dwell on those thoughts which cause you great inner frustration or turmoil, thus lowering your frequency, you will head down a path of diminishing returns. And if such thoughts become a habit, you will begin to diminish in both physical strength and mental clarity.

At this point I wish to address a related matter which is an aside to the main discussion of this Writing. This matter has to do with those who have a Higher Purpose at this time as public receivers. The greatest problem we have with our public receivers at this time is in the form of distraction. Many of you ones place great faith in these ones to bring forth My Messages in an accurate and uncompromised manner. These ones intrinsically know the level of responsibility it takes in order to insure an accurate Message be penned.

These ones also know that they are not perfect, despite what many of you want to believe or place upon their shoulders. Just because a receiver is accurate today, does not necessarily mean they will be accurate tomorrow or at all times. Inner emotional turmoil is that which most frequently gets in the way of clear receiving, and can cause sometimes quite extreme “coloration” of a message we wish to transmit.

NEVER BLINDLY ACCEPT ANY RECEIVED INFORMATION WITHOUT QUESTION!

When some (the most conscientious) public receivers perceive that they have made a mistake, whether they actually have or not, they will often withdraw from the responsible task of writing. Others, from a position of ego gratification, will deny their fallibility and begin to compound their error. Both of these will result in a lowered frequency state—one from withdrawal from (avoidance of) Higher Purpose, the other from compounding error with more error. This is where the Adversary jumps in and begins to push all of the “buttons” he can, while he can.

My current receiver wishes to withdraw from this sort of work, for this one feels a tremendous pressure associated with bringing through as accurate a message as possible—so much so that this one feels it is easier to simply avoid the task. So, on behalf of all My scribes, everywhere (of which there are MANY), please read every word of such Messages with a questioning and reasoning mind. Know that the ones who sit and write are NOT any different from you in terms of wanting answers—and having questions, doubts, fears, and inner turmoil. And most of all, they make mistakes and are NOT perfect!

All of you must discern every word you hear or read if you are to objectively find your own way. You should all be moving toward weaning yourselves from relying solely upon the words of another, and becoming more aware of your own Inner Connection.

Any excuse you offer has been used, till threadbare, by every one of My scribes, and will do nothing except slow you down and get in your way.

Many of you are looking for answers to such questions as: “When will all of this great change take place?”

The answer is: You are in it—NOW!

Cycles of change begin first on non-physical (mental) planes of experience. Then this higher-dimensional energy filters down and begins to manifest in the physical consciousness associated with the planetary consciousness as a whole (which is connected to the Universal Consciousness of all sentient life-forms everywhere).

The emotional frequencies associated with your individual thoughts summon forth nonphysical energies which synchronize with the vibrational frequencies of these emotions. (Keep in mind that the universal language is EMOTION.) These energies are then focused through the mind-brain interface at levels both within and beyond the consciousness of the average person on your planet at this time.

These energies then begin to interact in very orchestrated manners so as to, for example, bring people together at the “right” time so that there can be the fulfillment of an overall desire. What you ones often call “coincidences” and “good luck” (or “bad luck”) are some of the recognized ways in which these energies operate.

There are an infinite number of variables in the equation which impact and affect the final physical “drama” from moment to moment. The orchestration of this drama is of a nature so as to keep the planetary consciousness heading in a general direction of purposeful growth.

You will always have ones who seem to be operating outside such orchestration, for the general drama-equation allows for a “long shot” to “play through”. It is for this reason that exact times and dates are neither practical nor reasonable.

Just the act of stating such a date introduces a variable that changes the equation. This is why My messengers suggest that you look at sequences of events, rather than at the clock or the calendar.

When you see a great force rise up against your United Nations, and tear it down, you will know the ENDING of the so-called “Tribulation” is near. YOU ARE IN IT NOW! So don’t ask Me when it will start.

Look to whatever prophecies you care to place your beliefs in, and re-read them with discernment and what little knowledge you have concerning “super-secret” technologies, such as holographic projection, genetic engineering, electromagnetic propulsion craft (UFOs), and electromagnetic mind-control. Then formulate your OWN personal meaning about what you are reading.

Perhaps the answers you are looking for are right there in front of you, awaiting you to take notice. This cycle in which you are now experiencing is one of cleansing—a purification of sorts. Your planet is entering a high-frequency region wherein the inhabitants will need to match and maintain at least a minimum vibrational state (emotional and mental) that is quite high by your current standards.

Along with this increased frequency will come a greater mental and emotional clarity. Ones will be able to literally observe when someone is in a lower-frequency state. Someone who is intentionally trying to deceive another, such as through lying or cheating, will stand out as a flashing red (warning) light to those they are trying to manipulate.

This will be an Age of Peace and an Age of Truth. The process of cleansing is perhaps the single most liberating experience one can have while in the physical. The negativity will literally be burned out of those of you who persist through these times. Your innate will to survive will be what guides you and allows you to make the necessary internal adjustments to the ever increasing frequency shifts.

Those who will not allow for the release of the negativity will simply transition (die) as the physical body is consumed with harsh emotional energy surges from within. It will be as if they are burned out from within.

There is great wisdom in heeding the many helpful Messages sent your way at this time. Monitor closely your thoughts and subsequent emotions, and how it is you are flowing your energy from moment to moment. Developing this awareness now will greatly aid you in the coming years as things “heat-up” (increase in vibrational frequency).

The rewards will be great for those who persist through the challenges ahead. The proper mental and emotional attitude will insure a successful journey.

Be at peace and go within for your own clarification of this Message. Many of you would greatly help your understanding if you were to get out a dictionary or technical reference and explore further the terms “frequency” and “vibration”. The entirety of the physical universe can be described in these terms.

All matter vibrates, and thus has a frequency (rate of vibration) associated with it. The physical is a reflection (and a subset) of the non-physical universes. And guess what? The non-physical universes are also made up of energies which vibrate and pulse. These are clues for you, to help you to make inner conscious connections about the true Source and Nature of Energy, Thought, and Soul Essence.

I am Aton. This is a label I have chosen to use, through this particular scribe and at this particular time. It means: THE ONE LIGHT. I am Creator God. I AM.

Go in Peace, and forever seek greater Understanding and Clarity for yourselves. Salu.

http://www.phoenixarchives.com/conta...1298/12229.pdf

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viking

[CdnSirian]

"Whatever happened to "LIVE and let LIVE"?
Why as enlightened beings, do we feel the need to impose our TRUTHS on others?
We cannot CHANGE other people, but we can CHANGE the way we see other people! Is it that hard to accept that some people actually like to read so called CHANNELED MESSAGES, and don't always take everything as gospel, Do we need to assume that those of us, who are interested in reading the CHANNELED MESSAGES, cannot have any DISCERNMENT??

It is one of my pet dislikes. when someone tries to impose their will on me, and doesn't allow me to make my own way WITHIN MY OWN TRUTH!

LIVE AND LET LIVE!!!

HUGS...........Godiam"

I just read this entire thread again...thinking 'what can I say'. I cannot 'quote' the entire thread, but if I didn't thank all the way through, thank you. I am a shy person and I joined this forum to post on 2 threads and then get the H out. But you all got me interested in lots of stuff! Yet, I feel I am out inching out on a limb saying the following.

There are persons missing, but not retired from Avalon...anyone notice? Persons who posted every day on many threads for a while? Who quietly gave up on...us?

I think we all need all of us. We do not really know each other, but we get to know certain responses from certain enthusiastic posters who may be sarcastic, a drier wit, or whatever. I thought I was just getting slapped around when I first joined and ventured a few views on things. Like what the frack?

I just kept reading, like I was doing, regularly, before I joined. I could see that there are certain charismatic, confident, brash, or daring personalities that write a lot and will diligently defend their threads. No big deal.

I could see that there are individuals posting who have opposed views to me, politically...yet their views are articulate and interesting to read, and some (gasp) I agree with!

Bill Ryan does not agree with "channelled information" - but he is intelligent, intuitive, and I'm sure he follows hunches and inclinations...see what I mean? What is "channelled"? He posts his views on the Channelled threads, but he does not forbid it.

Everything that happens is neutral. Nothing means anything. We give everything meaning, by our response. And we can change our response. Or not. It really doesn't matter. Pie'n'eal said it in many different ways. Nothing matters. O.K., move on from Buddha.

There is so much of value in all of us, whether we are writers or not, clumsy with words and phrases or not, let's face it if you're on this forum you are a bit of a freak in some way. And that's a good thing.

We are breathing, and we are still in the game. I believe, that whenever any kind of conflict is introduced, knowingly or otherwise, someone benefits. So who benefits? Not us!

Things are ramping up. Today my boss told me that mass graves are prepared in Texas....for...who? I said to him "people like us!" He paled!

So let's hang together while we still can. Maybe only in our minds and maybe that's all we've got. That sounds melodramatic, I know. We are "La Resistance". And we won that war... :).