A differen perspective on the Israel situation

[Neptun]

This is a very controversial topic and also my 2nd post on this forum.

I seek the truth and don't have emotions invested in it and I don't care what the truth is. My job is to follow the information, where ever it leads me.

Most danish people think Israelis are the bad guys in the Palestine vs. Israel conflict. I had that belief most of my life. It all changed, when my father got a job in Israel as a diplomat and told me, I was wrong about my views regarding Israel. Normally my father and I don't see eye to eye on many things and I remember, I had a big fight with him because he could not understand, we are entering a Nazi style New World Order situation and he should wake up to the 9/11 hoax and the FEMA camps.

I could not believe what my father said regarding Israel, so I looked into my fathers claims.

I'm pretty good at deciphering propaganda, manipulation and spin, as a dane living in Brave New World and probably the New World Order testing ground for the happy prison I'm used to heavy manipulation from the state. Most people know Denmark is called the worlds happiest country and it is not because danes are happy. They are just well programmed, but that is another story.

I noticed there are lots of deception going on in the Israel vs. Palestine conflict. At first, it was hard to communicate with the Israelis about it, 9/11 and New World Order. They seemed very defensive and often freaked out, if I said something wrong. It took me some time to learn the Israeli way of communicating. It resulted in their aggressive defenses went down and I saw a wonderful and beautiful side of them. I have even been invited to 2 Israeli mirages and been invited to be interviewed on Israeli National Radio, that also talks about the New World Order and conspiracies.

I tried to reach out to the Palestinians without any luck.

The Israeli vs. Palestine conflict is very different than what most people think. What I discovered is, that the Palestinians pretend to be victims and even create Hollywood stage PR events, where they create the illusion Israel is behaving like war criminals and kill children etc. and the western media goes along with it. We saw the same thing happen in Libya, Syria, etc. to create the illusion the rebels(western agents) where fighting for freedom, when it was not the case, but a hostile takeover and replace the friendly dictators with hardcore Muslim brotherhood or Al Qaeda. The Arab spring is a big hoax!

My conclusion regarding Israel is, that the Israeli people have a mission of spreading global Shalom(peace) by leading by example and they really want to be loved by everyone.The New World Order is a Luciferian conspiracy and mark them by making sure the rest of the world hate Israel, so they Isolate the Israelis and make them super paranoid and aggressive. They use the Israeli aggressive paranoia to their favor and mislead them to fear Iran, so they can use Israel as a detonator to start WW3. For a Luciferian point of view, it is a great joke to turn the people of peace into the people of war and destruction and it also makes it more explosive.

Most Israeli know the Palestinians use heavy victim manipulation and can't understand why we westerners don't see it. They find it very rare that a guy from the west also see it and I educated them about westerners often can't think for themselves and are manipulated by the media.

The US media cover Israel much differently than in Europe. They use a different kind of manipulation and pretend US is letting Israel run the US, what creates lots of hate against Israel.

Son of Hamas Founder about Israel:
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Interesting information regarding the Palestinian manipulations:

Gaza foodmarket:
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQTaSTmhW5MDXxrUk4wF3jC-_M5_4RSs-WnQzNJpMAcqp6XLNJMVA
http://www.rohama.org/files/en/news/2010/9/21/8999_919.jpg
Or this?
http://vladtepesblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Gaza-3.jpg

Gaza:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o37GHxeRqGA

Hotel in Gaza:
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Gaza Restaurant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM7_R8Oih-k

Gaza waterpark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU5NmRkaIt4

Shopping in Gaza:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvOAufwwnAo

Hamas children:
Kindergarden:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIBNRVgq59Y

Children TV:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcYjvcRiCxY

Pallywood:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbmGv3LgDSA

part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXVstrwA7OM

It looks to me New World Order are in control of Hamas and NWO makes sure no peace can happen (Divide and conquer). I still need some solid proof of that.

To help the Palestinians and the Israelis, the manipulation has to be exposed. The Israelis are willing to do allot for peace, so it is not from that side the unbalance is.

Israel gave 1027 Hamas terrorists back to the Palestinians for 1 Israeli soldier, that shows how much the Israelis are willing to go for peace.

[Calz]

:welcome: to Avalon.

Jumping right into the fire I see :)

I think the vast majority of all citizens everywhere wish to live their lives in peace.

The current "Israelis sending love to Iranians" as an indication.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42776-Iranians-we-love-you-say-the-Israelis

Governments ... eh well ...

[Neptun]

Thank you!

Yes I want TRUTH and FREEDOM 100%, so that is where the heat is.

[Alie]

The operative word is "manipulation". If standing on a cloud and looking down on earth --- we would certainly have a better sense of truth. We would see peoples and populations as the innocents, and realize actions and movements of different groups of people are manipulated - fomented. It's easy to now see how the ENTIRE Middle East conflict is simply orchestrated --- I believe within each group (and all population groups) there are the manipulators who are using "fomenters" to further their purpose.

So thank you Neptun -- your perspective is a fresh one --- since I've never met or heard an opinion from a Dane. Also WELCOME to this forum.

[Krullenjongen]

Thanks NepTun, i totally agree with you.
I have done some research on this topic too and there is indeed much manipulation in the MSM about this.
I also found the history of this whole conflict an eye opener but because of the manipulation it is sometimes hard to find good information.
i wish more people would dig into this but it seems that there is not much interest in it.

[bluestflame]

in any culture it's the ones that climb (sometimes claw) to positions of power that are the problem, i doubt the israelis have any more control over thier government than any other country

*the israeli people i mean

[Neptun]

The operative word is "manipulation". If standing on a cloud and looking down on earth --- we would certainly have a better sense of truth. We would see peoples and populations as the innocents, and realize actions and movements of different groups of people are manipulated - fomented. It's easy to now see how the ENTIRE Middle East conflict is simply orchestrated --- I believe within each group (and all population groups) there are the manipulators who are using "fomenters" to further their purpose.

So thank you Neptun -- your perspective is a fresh one --- since I've never met or heard an opinion from a Dane. Also WELCOME to this forum.

Thank you!

Danish people are often very homogenic. I'm very different from normal Danes though.

We have a unique humor most cultures don't understand especially Americans(with no disrespect) and we use allot of hidden irony and sarcasm. Americans are more upfront with their use of irony and sarcasm, so no one misunderstands it. I will not use much danish humor on this forum, because it will not be understood.

Danes love using taboos as humor. The more extreme, the better. Danes don't have any political correctness and we always test the boundaries of what we can say. The danish freedom of speech is probably the most free on the planet.

The danish society is pretty cozy, it's a more relaxed culture than the Swedish or Norwegians and Danes treat each other more or less as equals no matter what status they have.

There is also an anarchistic and rebel side to Danes. The moment we don't feel things are cozy any more and something is threatening our relaxed good happy moments, we go berserk and turn into Vikings and unite. In that way a homogenic society is great. I think the moment the Danes wake up to the NWO, they could bring it down by themselves and use humor, efficiency, extreme sneaky tactics and team work. We may be a small country, but if the Danes don't go along with something, we become a very strong people. We have a saying in Denmark, that the moment our country is under attack Holger Danske will wake up from his sleep. He is probably the metaphor for the danish people.

http://billedeupload.dk/images/Q78PD.jpg

I think the Icelandic people are even more wild than Danes. it is probably because they are pure vikings and their culture has not changed much. They told the NWO bankers to forget about stealing money from the Icelandic people and they are the only ones I know of that successfully kicked the bankers out.

The dark side about Denmark:
There is something rotten in the state of Denmark. We are being brainwashed to think Denmark is the worlds best country with the most advanced welfare state and probably the world highest tax. That is why most Danes will say, they love Denmark and would not want to move to another country. I can't wait to move away, because I want freedom and don't like to pay for my own enslavement.

It can be very interesting to understand the danish system, because I probably live in the future New World Order and the danish system will probably be used in other countries.

More about the darkside about Denmark:
http://www.rense.com/general79/brave.htm

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe: "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free"

[Neptun]

Thanks NepTun, i totally agree with you.
I have done some research on this topic too and there is indeed much manipulation in the MSM about this.
I also found the history of this whole conflict an eye opener but because of the manipulation it is sometimes hard to find good information.
i wish more people would dig into this but it seems that there is not much interest in it.

Yes it is very strange how the media goes along with the Palestinian propaganda.

Tony Blair's sister in law:
Lauren Booth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvgA6_gHHAo

In Gaza:
http://barenakedislam.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/610x.jpg?w=610

[Neptun]

in any culture it's the ones that climb (sometimes claw) to positions of power that are the problem, i doubt the israelis have any more control over thier government than any other country

*the israeli people i mean


Sure, probably all countries have traitors and war criminals that seek power and go against their people. That is also the case with Denmark.
We had the most manipulative Prime Minister and war criminal Anders Fogh Rasmussen that should be shipped with express delivery directly to Nürnberg. He is a real snake and moved on to become the General Secretary of NATO.

Together with his good friend Bush:
http://www.apk2000.dk/netavisen/billeder/antifogh/bush_fogh_familie2%5B1%5D.jpg

[Neptun]

Why is it the Palestinians create so many lies and manipulate most of the time and why are the mainstream media supporting it?

Why are most shills that attack Alex Jones and the truth seekers anti Israel?

When they mess up in their propaganda
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I think, it is very strange when I communicate with people that are anti-israel, they are super aggressive and passionate haters of Israel. when I show them this kind of information they go into denial and will not talk about it.

I can't understand why people want to be conned?

[Maia Gabrial]

Here we go again with this sh*t....

[noprophet]

We have to be careful of simply using the terms 'Palestinian' or 'Israeli' as those are simply people occupying a region.
The sensationalists, propagandists, on all sides are what we need to address, and not just in the way that we condemn them. We have to understand where it comes form and why.

I found this documentary to be very educational on some of these issues.
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[OnyxKnight]

I seek the truth and don't have emotions invested in it and I don't care what the truth is.

Wow .....

You managed to contradict yourself in just one sentence. I think you broke the record here dude.

This deserves an applause.

[modwiz]

I am almost sure I smell hasbara mixed in with the falafel. Here in the USA we have plenty of propaganda about Palestine and it is not pro indigenous at all. Cannot speak for what goes on the media in Europe.

I find the strident tone of Tony Blair's sister very discomfitting. She is shrill to the point of feeling phony. I prefer Gilad Atzmon, a Jewish native of Palestine and how he articulates the subject. Also, wikipedia is completely managed by hasbarists who monitor it constantly as a 27/7 operation. So, Denmark must be presenting a picture very much differently than the one we get in the USA and what I read in British press.

I must say, this thread has an unreal feel to it based on the Anglo American perspective which is very pro-zionist.

[jorr lundstrom]

Gordon Duff and Snordelhans, voila



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVwpq1ujy4o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVwpq1ujy4o


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[deridan]

there is no doubt that the Palestinian Israeli situation is like a pressure-cooker.
there is no doubt that an outsider approaching these people would find bad and good people on both sides. (..i.e. trying to reach out to Palestinians without any luck. a misnomer most probably)
its sure that Hamas does not do their people any favors. Terrorist rocket attacks building up, until eventually the Israelis respond with conventional attacks with unnecessary massive collateral.

Gilad Atzmon seems to have a significant voice. http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/one-democratic-state-in-palestine.html. A paramedic in the Israeli military in the 1982 Lebanon operation, and witness to genocidal actions against Palestinian villages. He seems to question the consciousness of what constitutes Zionism or Israeli identity.
maybe in his long term view, the need for boundaries disappear.
I often wonder what the socio-economic situation is like on the ground in Palestine. Do these people have options. is there industry, higher education graduates etc., rather then masses of young people being fomented into the wrong areas.

the scary thing is that even nice people due to religious backgrounds have a rotten worldview of what should ultimately happen.....

Gilad Atzmon: "I am not impressed at all by the lethal enthusiasm to democratize the World in the name of ‘moral interventionism’"

[Neptun]

I seek the truth and don't have emotions invested in it and I don't care what the truth is.

Wow .....

You managed to contradict yourself in just one sentence. I think you broke the record here dude.

This deserves an applause.

What i mean is that I don't have invested interest in the conflict and basically don't care if it is the "Palestinians" or Israelis that are the bad guys. All I care about is the truth.

I came from thinking Israelis are the bad guys to make a 180 on the situation, when I looked into who lie and manipulate.

If someone can figure out 9/11 is an inside job, it is a walk in the park to find heavy manipulations done by the "Palestinians".

Just my take on it.

[Neptun]

I am almost sure I smell hasbara mixed in with the falafel. Here in the USA we have plenty of propaganda about Palestine and it is not pro indigenous at all. Cannot speak for what goes on the media in Europe.

I find the strident tone of Tony Blair's sister very discomfitting. She is shrill to the point of feeling phony. I prefer Gilad Atzmon, a Jewish native of Palestine and how he articulates the subject. Also, wikipedia is completely managed by hasbarists who monitor it constantly as a 27/7 operation. So, Denmark must be presenting a picture very much differently than the one we get in the USA and what I read in British press.

I must say, this thread has an unreal feel to it based on the Anglo American perspective which is very pro-zionist.
Correct things are different in Europe and US. Our media are anti Israel and pro "Palestinians".

The US runs a different manipulation. They use heavy political correctness ,what we don't have so much in Europe especially Denmark where political correctness is non existing.
The US media are super pro Israel and you are nearly compared to a Nazi, if you question Israel. The Israeli lobby shows a weird activity and the US pays around $3B in foreign aid every year if I remember correctly and many Americans can get the feeling Israel uses US as a big bully to fight their wars.

Of course many Americans get some strong anti Israel feelings on that account especially that they cant talk about it without being called a Nazi.. As I see it, this is on purpose to make Americans hate Israel just as they are hated elsewhere.

The shills that attack Alex Jones are all anti Israel and there was a former FBI that worked as a shill that got caught being a shill and he was against Israel as well.

[Endity]

I seek the truth and don't have emotions invested in it and I don't care what the truth is.

Wow .....

You managed to contradict yourself in just one sentence. I think you broke the record here dude.

This deserves an applause.

^made me lol.

[Neptun]

there is no doubt that the Palestinian Israeli situation is like a pressure-cooker.
there is no doubt that an outsider approaching these people would find bad and good people on both sides. (..i.e. trying to reach out to Palestinians without any luck. a misnomer most probably)
its sure that Hamas does not do their people any favors. Terrorist rocket attacks building up, until eventually the Israelis respond with conventional attacks with unnecessary massive collateral.

Gilad Atzmon seems to have a significant voice. http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/one-democratic-state-in-palestine.html. A paramedic in the Israeli military in the 1982 Lebanon operation, and witness to genocidal actions against Palestinian villages. He seems to question the consciousness of what constitutes Zionism or Israeli identity.
maybe in his long term view, the need for boundaries disappear.
I often wonder what the socio-economic situation is like on the ground in Palestine. Do these people have options. is there industry, higher education graduates etc., rather then masses of young people being fomented into the wrong areas.

the scary thing is that even nice people due to religious backgrounds have a rotten world view of what should ultimately happen.....

Gilad Atzmon: "I am not impressed at all by the lethal enthusiasm to democratize the World in the name of ‘moral interventionism’"

The NWO wants this to continue(divide and conquer) and they have agents in all nations to create chaos. I see some Israelis that are against the Israeli policy and support the Palestinians. But when you really dig into the manipulations coming from the Palestinians it strongly looks like they are the ones that don't want peace and they have some kind of death cult, where they brainwash kids to want to kill them selves to go to heaven rather than have peace. I see manipulation everywhere I look. Why is that? If Israel are the bad guys why create all these Hollywood staged events called Pallywood, where they pretend to be shot by Israel?
The Palistinians don't want peace, the Israelis do. so blaming Israel and put more pressure on them is not helping the peace process because the Israelis can't do anything to please the other side.

http://trendsupdates.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/water-at-critical-level-in-Gaza-and-the-West-Bank.jpg

Gaza Waterpark:
http://commentisfreewatch.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/gaza-water-park.jpg
Their propaganda is so obvious over the top. Why do they do that if they are in the right?

[Neptun]

I seek the truth and don't have emotions invested in it and I don't care what the truth is.

Wow .....

You managed to contradict yourself in just one sentence. I think you broke the record here dude.

This deserves an applause.

^made me lol.
No need for character assassinations please.

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[Neptun]

Keep in mind I'm Danish and english is my second language.

[Neptun]

My conclusion is that the NWO has tricked people worldwide to hate Israel and support Hamas.Hamas is a death cult that brainwashes children to think they go to heaven, if they kill Jews.

Hamas children TV:
VcYjvcRiCxY

It is like supporting war and destruction with a humanitarian spin like Kony 2012 and war is peace in Libya, Syrian etc.

Hamas is the bad guys in this conflict. They don't want peace at all! They need to be exposed first before Palistinians and Israels can live in peace and harmony. When the Palistinans are ready for peace the Israelis will be more than happy to help them build their infrastructure and society up.

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[OnyxKnight]

I seek the truth and don't have emotions invested in it and I don't care what the truth is.

Wow .....

You managed to contradict yourself in just one sentence. I think you broke the record here dude.

This deserves an applause.

What i mean is that I don't have invested interest in the conflict and basically don't care if it is the "Palestinians" or Israelis that are the bad guys. All I care about is the truth.

I came from thinking Israelis are the bad guys to make a 180 on the situation, when I looked into who lie and manipulate.

If someone can figure out 9/11 is an inside job, it is a walk in the park to find heavy manipulations done by the "Palestinians".

Just my take on it.


The problem here, dear Neptun, is that you, after all this research, still think there are actual "sides", and good or bad guys, when it comes to that conflict. This means you still have a lot of bread to eat till you figure out what's going on.

Talking with a few Israelis over a traditional dinner or in a radioshow cubicle does not all of a sudden make you privy to information about their situation that nobody else is.

Given you still think there are sides - I'd say no friend, you are not pretty good at deciphering propaganda, manipulation ans spins, since you fell just for that.

[ghostrider]

all the hoopla is over the name of God. Israel = IS RA EL . RA IS. GOD IS. I AM. the rest is jibberish.

[PathWalker]

in any culture it's the ones that climb (sometimes claw) to positions of power that are the problem, i doubt the israelis have any more control over thier government than any other country

*the israeli people i mean

This is very true. The people of Israel are awakening to the social programming. And refuse to buy into the fear porn any more (The occupy Wal Street movement was born in Tel-Aviv). The local government is constantly try to put the MSM focus onto security issues. Yet the young people of Israel are uprising and posing a big political change the politicians cannot swallow.
Israel is mostly controlled by 2 factions the security elite and the economy elite. They are both exposed, the game they used to play 5 years ago is not working any more.
Both factions are part of TPTB. Israel is the 3rd world weapon exporter. (US first, Rusia 2nd - follow the money trail).

[PathWalker]

Israel gave 1027 Hamas terrorists back to the Palestinians for 1 Israeli soldier, that shows how much the Israelis are willing to go for peace.

That is another lie.
The Israeli public put great pressure on the government to release him after 5 years.
He was released in order for the security elite to maintain the myth of "Israel is responsible to return every soldier from combat". This broken myth decreased the young soldiers motivation to volunteer into combat units. The controlling elite had to maintain this myth at all cost in order to keep the trenches filled with fresh meet.

In addition the political leaders are losing the public support. No matter what.

[Neptun]

I seek the truth and don't have emotions invested in it and I don't care what the truth is.

Wow .....

You managed to contradict yourself in just one sentence. I think you broke the record here dude.

This deserves an applause.

What i mean is that I don't have invested interest in the conflict and basically don't care if it is the "Palestinians" or Israelis that are the bad guys. All I care about is the truth.

I came from thinking Israelis are the bad guys to make a 180 on the situation, when I looked into who lie and manipulate.

If someone can figure out 9/11 is an inside job, it is a walk in the park to find heavy manipulations done by the "Palestinians".

Just my take on it.


The problem here, dear Neptun, is that you, after all this research, still think there are actual "sides", and good or bad guys, when it comes to that conflict. This means you still have a lot of bread to eat till you figure out what's going on.

Talking with a few Israelis over a traditional dinner or in a radioshow cubicle does not all of a sudden make you privy to information about their situation that nobody else is.

Given you still think there are sides - I'd say no friend, you are not pretty good at deciphering propaganda, manipulation ans spins, since you fell just for that.

I'm all ears. What is your take on the situation?

[PathWalker]

The Israeli/Arab conflict is rooted 6000 year ago, in the reptilian occupation of Mesopotamia (now Iraq).
The Jew are a specie that is warring the reptilians for ages.

This conflict is on fire for very long time and is heated when ever possible. Now the focus is on Iran/Israel. It is part of the fear porn.
Even the Israelis do not buy into it any more.

TPTW are trying to revive this conflict to maintain the power and as a distraction. They fail miserably for the last year. The Arabs are sobering, and look into their internal business more then into Israel. Yet the weapons sales are boosting, they are killing them selves.

No one really care about the horror going in Sudan and Somali, no one really care what is going on in Tibet.
There is no PTW interest there, you do not hear about that. The suffer there is immense.
People are starving daily in India, do you care?

Yet you are emotionally deeply involved about the Israeli/Arab conflict. Why? Are you programmed?

[Neptun]

The Israeli/Arab conflict is rooted 6000 year ago, in the reptilian occupation of Mesopotamia (now Iraq).
The Jew are a specie that is warring the reptilians for ages.

This conflict is on fire for very long time and is heated when ever possible. Now the focus is on Iran/Israel. It is part of the fear porn.
Even the Israelis do not but it any more.

TPTW are trying to revive this conflict to maintain the power and as a distraction. They fail miserably for the last year. The Arabs are sobering, and look into their internal business more then into Israel. Yet the weapons sales are boosting, they are killing them selves.

No one really care about the horror going in Sudan and Somali, no one really care what is going on in Tibet.
There is no PTW interest there, you do not hear about that. The suffer there is immense.
People are starving daily in India, do you care?

Yet you are emotionally deeply involved about the Israeli/Arab conflict. Why? Are you programmed?

interesting perspective. What is the race of the Jews and do many Jews know about the real conflict that is going on?

I have talked with many from Iran as well and it is my sense, that they do know about NWO etc. and is also dealing with it. Why would Jews and Iranians see themselves as enemies when both of them are being attacked by NWO(divide and conquer).

My interest in this conflict is that I see how this all could be trinket into a WW3 and I also see how people are being manipulated by Palestinian propaganda and all the shills I have seen always attack Jews and I don't like seeing a people being attacked like that.

[PathWalker]

And one more:
I believe the Jews/Arabs conflict is about resolving and balancing old karma.
The secret to release heavy karma is forgiveness and compassion.
Nothing you learn in the national propaganda in both sides.

I am doing this secretly, please keep this secret as public as possible. ;)

[Neptun]

And one more:
I believe the Jews/Arabs conflict is about resolving and balancing old karma.
The secret to release heavy karma is forgiveness and compassion.
Nothing you learn in the national propaganda in both sides.

I am doing this secretly, please keep this secret as public as possible. ;)

Dear PathWalker,

is it correctly understood that your race and the other race are having a little dog fight that has lasted around 6000 years on this planet to blow off some steam and when you guys are finished fighting you can forgive each other?

Maybe the reason why it has lasted so long is because you guys with no disrespect are better to fight than just talk about it in the open and solve the issues quick and painless.

There are so many smokescreens that the truth has been very difficult to find. I think, what you guys in this threat are saying is cutting edge information regarding the conflict and it is really helpful to talk about it from an ET perspective.

It would be great to get an Arab perspective to it as well.

Assalaamu 'alaykum

[PathWalker]

[QUOTE=PathWalker;463629]
Maybe the reason why it has lasted so long is because you guys with no disrespect are better to fight than just talk about it in the open and solve the issues quick and painless.


Both parties involved want to maintain the conflict, only the people involved want to end it. And it will end soon as we transcend.
The conflict could be resolved 40 years ago. No one wanted and no one sincerely wants to solve it. There is lot of control, power and money in the conflict. If the regional Arabs are too busy then lets put the Iranian on the game. That is how it works.

The conflict has never ended and will never end as long as we are in the 3rd density. It is our game and souls choice. It is not a coincidence that I live in the region now.
The Jews have a role to play and the Arabs as well. Both are highly honored for their role in the game. This is the most intense place on the world to live. Each person that live in the region is processing allot in one lifetime.

So be grateful for living where you are. And processing your own private drama.
You do not need other people drama unless you want to take part of the game.

[Neptun]

[QUOTE=PathWalker;463629]
Maybe the reason why it has lasted so long is because you guys with no disrespect are better to fight than just talk about it in the open and solve the issues quick and painless.


Both parties involved want to maint the conflict, only the people involved want to end it. And it will end soon as we transcend.
The conflict could be resolved 40 years ago. No one wanted and no one sincerely wants to solve it. There is lot of control, power and money in the conflict. If the regional Arabs are too busy then lets put the Iranian on the game. That is how it works.

The conflict has never ended and will never end as long as we are in the 3rd density. It is our game and souls choice. It is not a coincidence that I live in the region now.
The Jews have a role to play and the Arabs as well. Both are highly honored for their role in the game. This is the most intense place on the world to live. Each person that live in the region is processing allot in one lifetime.

So be grateful for living where you are. And processing your own private drama.
You do not need other people drama unless you want to take part of the game.

Interesting information.

As I see it from the peaceful Denmark, The Arab/Israeli conflict is much bigger than 2 sides fighting. I see it as divide and conquer. Those that activate the Iran vs. Israel situation is the NWO. NWO plays both Arabs and Israel against each other. So maybe the Arabs and Israelis are not real enemies but tricked into thinking they are?

illuminat/Luciferian/Freemason

Albert Pike wrote this in 1871:

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions."

"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

[PathWalker]

No one is victim in the game. And it is indeed global. Follow the money trail and the power threads.

[Neptun]

No one is victim in the game. And it is indeed global. Follow the money trail and the power threads.

We are playing a virtual reality game, of duality. In the game of choices, align your choices with your ideals. Everything is whole, complete and perfect. Even yourself. Love is the power to change/create.

We all have a choice. Do we continue to punish others(ourselves) or do we love them back(love ourselves) by connected to our hearts, that is unconditional love, what we all are part of?

[Neptun]

Thank you PathWalker,

I'm getting it. Life is a soul experience that is like a real life soup opera where we experience different dramas. One time we are abusers. Another time we abuse etc. so it is a constant reality show for the soul.

I'm more to a cozy drama and that is why I live in Brave New Denmark, where you are into hardcore action in a real life movie(your words: "intense soap opera on steroid")

it reminds me of an Israeli guy I talked with in Denmark. He said Denmark was pretty boring. Nothing happens. He missed a bomb or 2 that blew up.

Ok so to move to the next level, we have to drop the drama and focus on unconditional love?

PathWalker "Unconditional love it too much for the circumstances. Compassion and forgiveness is good enough."

It has been a wonderful and lovely high intense debate that gave me and others much more clarity of life.

I'm glad that I thew in a hand grenade into the debate and made a threat about the Israel conflict.

Much love from me to you from the boring soup opera in the cold north.

[PathWalker]

Thank you Neptun,
Your insight have transcended the polarity of good/bad, just/wrong mind set.
Hope this thread help other to grasp the real drama and growth is at personal level. The external world is just a stimuli (somewhat painful).

Joy and happiness
PathWalker

[Neptun]

All the credit goes to you PathWalker!

You explained it perfectly, so I and others can understand it and let go of the drama. The true understanding of the issue made it possible for letting it go, to focus on the real most important thing, to raise our vibration and move up to the next level in this real time virtual reality game.

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted ny Neptun: "The palestenians pretend to be victims ... / The Israeli people have a mission of spreading global shalom (peace).."

Hello Neptun,

That was quite a statement by you. I read the OP and could not unagree more, Many people including myself would certainly be very happy if these two sentences were true, but they are only characterized by heavy exaggerations and I feel they are a little misleading, although, I am sure this is NOT your intention to do so. I kept reading the rest of the thread, and figured it all turned out well. Pathwalker has realated to so many valid points in such an explainable way that I have very little to add. he took the higher route and perspective and I resonate with that. You yourself have also had some good points, and I wish to give my two cents to this attempt to figure out what is 'the truth'.

To begin with, there is probably not 'one solid truth', the happenings in this region are very complex and became even more convoluted during the years. it's been already mentioned here, taking sides, pro or against, doesn't matter wich, is a very known technique of the iiluminati guys, it will be a shame to cooperate with that.

So, this is not about sparking a political discussion, the leaders of both countries versus the people themselvs are two different entities. But, because of a very well lubricated brainwashing machine, some citizens express Complete solidarity with the politics of the country. The media is spreading lies and misinformation, and it is not easy to know what is really going on in actuallity. The only way is to try and CONNECT and to treat the central pumping organ in our chest as a valid judge in itself. Bombing as well as preventing freedome and opportunities from anyone is not o.k .

Funny, when I was in my twentiees, I spent three years in Jerusalem, I worked as a travel agent on the main road, Ben Yehuda street, and met there with two other ladies who became friends, a Jewish setteler and an Israeli arab from Shuafat who the rest of her family were palestenians (yes, that happens..) , her sister volonteered in the refugee camp in Gaza, I promise you Neptun, nothing in her descriptions were similiar to anything that resemble any average way of life anywhere around the world.. we talked about everything but... we tried to respect eachother's sensetivities, but the pain had permeate...

I am aware that many people around the world (including Israelis) do not know that the Gaza strip consists of a beautiful sea- shore, it has industries, hotels, culture life and higher Education Institutions, there is the Gaza university, and the same hirarchial social class as everywhere else. The world media does not cover that side, so it might come as a surprise and a confused opinions are following. There is also a severe poverty, lack of freedom, violence, desperation, Political corruption and depressed conditions, and another small nation that for reasons of 'defending itself' is putting them geographically under siege, fight them and make their life hell. Not any of the other Arab nations, so called, their 'muslim brothers', would like to invest in them other in a cynical literal use, to benefit some of their own political interest. a rather grim and unequal reality. An Illuminati 'man' made creation.

But, you see, to get into all the nitty gritty of things, 'who did to whom', 'who have started', 'who is pretending' and 'who is saying the truth', would not bring any relief or will do any justice to anyone .. the lies and manipulations are deeply rooted on both sides. I dare say, a desire for change and integrity is present just the same. this mine needs to be dismantled because it harmed too many human beings so far.

We talk a lot about how the government and the citizens interest are contradicting one another, that is KEY. if there is any connection at all , the unifying glue is - ignorance.
so, it is not about who is tricking who ... taking sides will only leave us playing victims, as we so faithfuly followed up till now, successfully or unsuccessfuly, depending on who's perspective we are looking, and now, new refined energies ,new understanding and opportunities are coming our way, and the decision whether to grab them or not is up to us. I say, lets take them. Neptun, you yourself declared that you are interested in the truth, and there is nothing more real and true than looking for solutions on any given situation, rather than dwelling on the trails that lead us to nowhere, forever and ever in circles.


I was planning to to go and respond with some more details on top of the statments that were presented here, to relate to them and give some contradicting examples, but this post and in general this thread, has turned out and took a completely different direction to what I initially thought, and that can be said to the credit of the participants. We are not short of pointing fingers towords one another, But we are short in coming up with solutions , hopefully this will change as well, in the spirit of the change that is coming to the world.


All the very best to all of us,

Limor

[noprophet]

Excellent post Limor, I really enjoyed it.

I say, lets take them, Neptun, you yourself declared that you are interested in the truth and there is nothing more real and true than looking for solutions for any given situation rather than dwelling on the trails that lead us to nowhere, forever and ever in circles.
This needs to be applied to every discussion here.

[PathWalker]

We talk a lot about how the government and the citizens interest are contradicting one another, that is KEY. if there is any connection at all , the unifying glue is - ignorance.
so, it is not about who is tricking who ... taking sides will only leave us playing victims, as we so faithfuly followed up till now, successfully or unsuccessfuly, depending on who's perspective we are looking, and now, new refined energies ,new understanding and opportunities are coming our way, and the decision whether to grab them or not is up to us.


Beloved Limor,
I am humbled by this paragraph.
I wish to add, the following:
Even though we do not like it, our leadership is our reflection as a nation. No matter where you are in the world. If they are corrupt, we are corrupt. If they are ignorants and abusive, we are as well. The leadership in many places has a complete array of view and paradigms that reflect the people.

I am glad we have Shimon Peres as the Israeli president (in contradiction to the former).

Saying the above about reflection, the tide is changing. As I feel it, in the Arab world as well as in the Israeli public. The former way of MSM intimidation and terror is not working. And many individuals start seeking beyond the smoke screen.

It not just education, it is more about the people refuse fear (see the Syrian and Lybian uprising) and regain their sovereign power.
Individuals sovereign empowerment, that is what is happening. My inner guides tell me the people are winning the battle for consciousness. And the odd have flipped on our favor, yet there is still work to be accomplished.

Good job, all of us.
Let us continue to make the change.
And so be it.

Joy and happiness
PathWalker

[Neptun]

Dear PathWalker,

The Arab spring was a globalist tactic to overrun the Arab countries and replace the more friendly dictators with hardcore Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda.

Gaddafi was a good leader and loved by his people. Now they have extreme dictatorship because the "rebel" forces was paid by the globalist.

Al Qaeda flag in Libya:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02042/Al-Qaeda-flag_2042442c.jpg
Libya: Al Qaeda flag flown above Benghazi courthouse
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8861608/Libya-Al-Qaeda-flag-flown-above-Benghazi-courthouse.html

Major western lies about Libya revealed - Press TV News
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I left that drama too.

[Limor Wolf]

Thank you for this precise addition PathWalker, one begins with an idea,another adds up his value to it, and something is being created :-)

- I guess you might have been less content to have Peres as the Israeli president after finish reading Bari Chamish's book - "who murdered Yitzhak Rabin?, as well as the fact that Mr Peres is a member of more than one secret society ( similiar to the 'club of Rome' etc) and only lately appeared in the 300 list of the 'people who control the world' .. He, Netanyahu and stanley Fischer, are a trio we could well do without

Change is coming soon

~ Health and abundance to us all ~

Limor

[PathWalker]

Dear PathWalker,

The Arab spring was a globalist tactic to overrun the Arab countries and replace the more friendly dictators with hardcore Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda.

Gaddafi was a good leader and loved by his people. Now they have extreme dictatorship because the "rebel" forces was paid by the globalist.



I doubt that, but reality is very subjective from where you want to see it.
My point is that the people are refusing to the fear tactics employed on them.
I read such signs in China as well.

[marielle]

The Palistinians don't want peace, the Israelis do. so blaming Israel and put more pressure on them is not helping the peace process because the Israelis can't do anything to please the other side.

Well, for a start, Israel could give back all the land they took. That might help a bit.

[PathWalker]

Thank you for this precise addition PathWalker, one begins with an idea,another adds up his value to it, and something is being created :-)

- I guess you might have been less content to have Peres as the Israeli president after finish reading Bari Chamish's book - "who murdered Yitzhak Rabin?, as well as the fact that Mr Peres is a member of more than one secret society ( similiar to the 'club of Rome' etc) and only lately appeared in the 300 list of the 'people who control the world' .. He, Netanyahu and stanley Fischer, are a trio we could well do without

Change is coming soon

~ Health and abundance to us all ~

Limor

I am totally with you. I would add Ehud Barak and handful shadowy characters from the arms industry. Not on the headlines.
Israel is the 3rd weapons supplier in the world.
I did not know about Shimon Peres cover in the book you mentioned, yet he is better then the former president.:rolleyes:

[boris]

HEllo to mr. Neptun

What exactly are you trying to say about this conflict? Many people on boths sides have been adapted to live in the war, by the war and from the war and some of them are just taking advantages from this state of life in that unhappy and miserable land. On the other hand at the both sides undubtly there are many people who do not want war, and yet you´ve just changed the point of wiev befor efrom the palestinian side, to Israelian. Maybe you should take a step futher or higher and find a new point of wiev and the horizon is going to be very bright, without being like football fan and choosing today one side and tomorrow the opponent, depends what is written at the newspaper.

boris