Ascension

[Kelly]

Ok, so we all know about ascension, we have all heard about it, talked about it, pondered about it, and either doubted it, or embraced it.
Me?
Im still slightly confused about it!
While i know, iam a member of this forum, because iam somewhat "awake", even if to what level i still do not understand, and i have been a member of other forums, which place ascension on somewhat either these terms, "if you are of the light you will ascend, if you are dark, you will not!"
Whilst i dont believe the terms light or dark, i think we have the potential for both inside us all, it does not seem right, nor fair that one will ascend without the other, as essentially, for the most part, we are all the same.

So i wonder, if ascension is real, and i do think it is happening as we speak, on multipule levels, ie; feelings, emotions, growth, release, etc........otherswise, the people of the world we are in, would not be feeling these things, at the same time, it is apparent we are changing!
But no-one actually knows what happens, all we have are ancient texts based on the Mayan's and other civilizations, so does anyone on here, actually think they know, or can comprehend ascension, and if it invloves a merkba, then how do people who cant create one, ascend, and the same goes for kids and animals.

Thanks, confused, in liverpool haha!!!
Do we all ascend, or only some, or all together?

[king anthony]

Ok, so we all know about ascension, we have all heard about it, talked about it, pondered about it, and either doubted it, or embraced it. Me? Im still slightly confused about it... member of this forum, because iam somewhat "awake"...

If ascension means, being "rescued" by some of "those others" (example, advanced species, ETs, "gods"), then one should be careful what they ask for - for most do not know to whom they "pray" to or what the reward will truly be.

If ascension means, to go to "another life", a better place and such, then this is simply human arrogance not accepting what was known by the ancients. Giving the benefit of the doubt for a moment - how can anyone expect to go "somewhere else", when they cannot even do "here". Either way, human arrogance prevails.

The social conditioning that is has most relying on fictions, such as belief systems and such. Social conditioning has most believe in beliefs, such as there is no absolute and no one is incorrect. Those who are socially conditioned will not seek facts and reject it if/when found - those who are confused are dealing with the conflict between social conditioning and reality.

[RMorgan]

Hi my friend,

In my opinion, this kind of ascension people keep talking about here all the time ( mass ascension, evolving to another "frequency", the whole planet changing "frequency", etc..) is just pure black-ops/new-age propaganda to keep people docile and obedient, waiting eternally until this thing magically happens or to someone to come here to rescue them.

While people keep waiting for "ascension", postponing prediction dates for it again and again, our world leaders are doing whatever they want and possibly laughing to the fact that the people of the world don´t do nothing to stop them.

In fact, this whole ascension stuff looks like a very good strategy for the so called "elite"....Well, it´s working very well for them.

People just keep looking at the stars, waiting to be magically transformed without the need to work on their own self-improvement, while the dirtiest plans are getting fulfilled right under their noses...But they are too busy waiting for a miracle that most probably will never happen.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Kelly]

Oh, no, i definatley do not mean being rescued by ET's, been through the whole fake GFL thing, not going there again lol.
You hear a lot about ascension, and it supposedly means, going to the 5th dimension, when we cant master the 3rd, and hear nothing about the 4th, so, what really is ascension?
Is it giving birth to our real true selves?
I find such a lot of people talk about it, some are sure they know the truth about it, other are definate they do, but i dont hink anyone does really, cos here we all are debating about it!
I know i am uncertain, hence my question.

[Kelly]

Hi, yeah, im not sure of it, this is why iam questioning.
Your answer seems likely to me, because i was on Ashtar Command, and they are all convinced it is happening, and it has to do with the GFL, when i was posting other stuff to say the GFL are the elite trying to trick people into thinking this.
I have though, felt stuff, inside, like certain energies and what not, and i dont know if they are linked to ascension, but i dont really know what is going on, or who to trust on these things.
I guess iam rather cynical at the moment, cos i know things are changing in certain ways, just not in ways that we would like to beleive.

[Deega]

Thanks Kelly to bring this subject up again, a lot of members have put their thoughts on «ascension», and still, it’s an on going thing as we evolve in our microscopic (innerself) and macroscopic (body, senses, Earth and the Cosmos) worlds.

I have read that «ascension» is an inspiring goal for many of us! But nobody seem to know where we will ascend to, the heaven, or otherwise. You have read of Jesus ascension in the Bible, but was it a real deal or the will of the power of yesterday on the writing of the day…?, to control the people, probably past Remote Viewing might help on this!

What I have come to understand of «ascension» is, to connect with one higher self. In doing so, one connect with his god within and will never be the same if one keep on working toward spiritual enlightenment.

Throughout history, a lot of great authors have pondered on this great concept and no one seems to have ascended. Even theosophists were not able to ascend as we want to understand it, so how may we expect that we, of our time, will be spare from death of the body!

I believe in the ascension of the soul/spirit though.

I hope that this information will help you somehow in your quest of awareness.

All the best to you.

Deega

[RMorgan]

Oh, no, i definatley do not mean being rescued by ET's, been through the whole fake GFL thing, not going there again lol.
You hear a lot about ascension, and it supposedly means, going to the 5th dimension, when we cant master the 3rd, and hear nothing about the 4th, so, what really is ascension?
Is it giving birth to our real true selves?
I find such a lot of people talk about it, some are sure they know the truth about it, other are definate they do, but i dont hink anyone does really, cos here we all are debating about it!
I know i am uncertain, hence my question.


I know what you mean, Kelly.

Well, people often make a heck of a confusion with this "dimension" thing.

It´s completely physically impossible for us, physical human beings, made of flesh, to "transcend" into another dimension, without physically dying....I don´ know about the spirit, but who knows?

Also, people tend to think of a 4th dimension as a place full of diabolic entities, while the 5th is supposedly a better place...Its doesn´t make any sense at all. How about us, who supposedly live in the 3rd dimension? If we follow this logic, we are worse than the little devils from the 4th dimension.

People make a lot of confusion about it...Just because we perceive the world in 3D, limited by our perceptive qualities and senses, doesn´t mean we live in the 3rd dimension at all.

We just perceive our world in 3D, but we haven´t any idea in which dimension we actually live.

Then, there are frequencies, which people often mix with this dimension stuff and make even more confusion.

Frequencies are completely different than dimensions. People are always stuck with this duality stuff, thinking that lower frequencies are bad, higher frequencies are good, lower dimensions are bad, higher dimensions are good.

Our minds are so primitive, that we just can´t get out of this dualistic hierarchical thinking.

There´s no up and down in the universe. There are no higher and lower dimensions. There are no higher or lowers frequencies.

In the universe, everything just is. The universe doesn´t need to separate things, because there just isn´t any separation. Everything is together as one.

We´re are the ones who can´t resist to keep naming things, separating things, judging things and maybe, well, maybe we can´t free ourselves from this failed dualistic and judgmental logic until we actually evolve to another species.

From this point of view, this whole ascension and religion thing is just us pretending to know a lot about something that we actually have absolutely no idea.

Maybe this is our biggest flaw, to keep speculating all the time, to always pretend we know things that we actually don´t. Why don´t we simply say we don´t know, when we find a problem we can´t solve? Why we always have to invent things to pretend we know?

Who knows...

Cheers,

Raf.

[Cidersomerset]

Up untill a couple years ago my views would have been like King Anthony & Raf but they have changed mainly due to the Ion material and
other sources as well. I dont believe in one god or any religion or sect but feel we are much more than the some of our physical parts
and asencion is when we reconnect with our higher self. Not behind the pearly gates but everywhere !! Got to go to bed now I'll have
another think on this tommorrow.....Steve

[WhiteFeather]

Good Video by Lisa Renee on Ascension, Hosted by Mel Fabregas and Veritas Radio. Lisa Renee is well known in the spiritual/new age/esoteric etc. community and is a great friend of James Gilliland from The ECETI Ranch. Im sure you'll all enjoy this one. The Interview Starts at 7:00.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwTjJ849txw


Good interview by Lisa Harrison on Lisa Renee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5soLfw9yFRA&feature=fvsr

[Carolin]

I'm right there with you Raf. Ascension doesn't seem logical to me. Reincarnation, evolution and levels of consciousness like Dr David Hawkins talks about makes sense to me. If everyone from kindergarden to high school skipped into college all at once what would they learn and what a chaotic environment that would be. I agree that more people are now waking up but humanity as a whole has a long way to go.

Ascension as it has been described to me creates judgement, divides and instills fear. I don't want any part of it thanks.

[Alex Laker]

For me, there could indeed be some form of instantaneous form of ascension involving some kind of Merkhaba. However, I feel this would be a shortcut to be used by the truly spiritually advanced, and would be something profoundly difficult to achieve. More generally, I believe everyone is on a path of positive spiritual development even if they do not see it. The problem with the instantaneous scenario is that it does as you say leave people behind, and this hardly seems fair, if they have had no had chance to know the truth.

In my opinion, there is no human that has true knowledge over what is going to happen. But we know something is gonna happen right? It is not knowledge, but knowing. Any claim for knowledge over an ascension event is just an interpretation of knowing into knowledge. From the general to the specific as it were, with no logical jump. I feel that there will be an event of great spiritual importance, but I feel that its consequences will be different for every soul, depending on their awareness. Needless to say this event will accelerate the process of spiritual development on earth. I do not think that our transition to higher consciousness is supposed to be instantaneous. This would be irresponsible, and would render the human experience generally pointless. A guiding hand however would not, especially when it so badly needed.

[RMorgan]

For me, there could indeed be some form of instantaneous form of ascension involving some kind of Merkhaba. However, I feel this would be a shortcut to be used by the truly spiritually advanced, and would be something profoundly difficult to achieve. More generally, I believe everyone is on a path of positive spiritual development even if they do not see it. The problem with the instantaneous scenario is that it does as you say leave people behind, and this hardly seems fair, if they have had no had chance to know the truth.

In my opinion, there is no human that has true knowledge over what is going to happen. But we know something is gonna happen right? It is not knowledge, but knowing. Any claim for knowledge over an ascension event is just an interpretation of knowing into knowledge. From the general to the specific as it were, with no logical jump. I feel that there will be an event of great spiritual importance, but I feel that its consequences will be different for every soul, depending on their awareness. Needless to say this event will accelerate the process of spiritual development on earth. I do not think that our transition to higher consciousness is supposed to be instantaneous. This would be irresponsible, and would render the human experience generally pointless. A guiding hand however would not, especially when it so badly needed.

I agree my friend. It´s almost the same thing as suddenly giving everyone the powers of Super-Man.

Could we handle it? Of course not.

We´re not ready for it, with our gigantic egos and unstoppable desires , we would just have a much bigger problem in our hands.

Cheers,

Raf.

[WhiteFeather]

Quote By RMorgan: "We´re not ready for it, with our gigantic egos and unstoppable desires , we would just have a much bigger problem in our hands".

Some Are Very Well Ready To Let Go Of The Ego and Desires. Would You Care to Join Us.

[christian]

Ascension is already happening, the term can be used to describe this global awakening and its fruits, I find. People remembering and acting upon their vast potential. There were times and places where consciously using psychic intuitive abilities was the norm in life, I can see a clear trend moving towards people playing with that again. And then there are more tangible manifestations of that ascension, more and more individuals and groups of people around the globe acting more in harmony with the planet and with a determination to create a new paradigm on this planet.

[RMorgan]

Quote By RMorgan: "We´re not ready for it, with our gigantic egos and unstoppable desires , we would just have a much bigger problem in our hands".

Some Are Very Well Ready To Let Go Of The Ego and Desires. Would You Care to Join Us.

Hi my friend,

When I´ve said "we", I was referring to the human race, not to myself.

The human race, as a whole, still needs a book (constitutions/bible/laws) to prevent it from destructing itself.

A species like this, from my point of view, isn´t ready to have bigger responsibility and powers.

In my opinion, we wont be ready to evolve until we solve our current problems, which are big and many.

Saying that you are ready to ascend, with another relatively small group of people, leaving the rest behind, is a big example of selfishness, in which self=ego.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Delight]

Ascension is already happening, the term can be used to describe this global awakening and its fruits, I find. People remembering and acting upon their vast potential. There were times and places where consciously using psychic intuitive abilities was the norm in life, I can see a clear trend moving towards people playing with that again. And then there are more tangible manifestations of that ascension, more and more individuals and groups of people around the globe acting more in harmony with the planet and with a determination to create a new paradigm on this planet.

I am experiencing a shift in focus to feel into myself and trust a connection with a larger benevolent and wise and powerful aspect (not ET hehe but the aspect of me who is already free) connected to the creation and all that means. I cannot help but feel lifted up over previous preoccupations, fears, and habits.

Coincidentally today I came across the term "Law of Emergence" that seems to be about the seed metaphor. The tiniest seed has all of what is necessary to grow when given the environment (soil, water, light). We are responsible for the environment. We have a great deal of power in that management. It isn't even that we need to fight some big adversary to manage the environment. What we need is learning greater trust that our intentions to be custodians of the world will tap into huge powers that are natural to our being and supported by Gaia. The means will arise from the chaos. Look at how intention heals water and group focus on peace has effect? A larger level of freedom showing itself (we can DO THIS) out of dis ease and dis order

Now if there are those here who do not believe... who maintain that we don't have the innate powerful capacities, it still won't change the law of how things work...... And those who do connect in to the POWER are working with the grain of the emergence of a new state. Bruce Lipton talks about spontaneous evolution. It is seen that at the right time for a change, the change blossoms. Susan Joy Rennison talks about the Universe being alive and that the Electric Universe is effecting us much more than we can imagine. The idea of "ascension" may be literally that at certain moments in the cycles, a major change occurs.

People like Delores Cannon say that we are already much less physically dense than our ancestors. We are already at a higher frequency than our great grandparents generations. We have adjusted very amazingly on the whole to a much sped up reality. That is likely to have caused change in the body. If we are energy beings, some who are ready to REALLY change state may literally disappear from the lower density? But Again who knows? Going back to 3D mundane observation, we are still in general different in our capacity than people 100 years ago. We are very adaptable.

Having been into permaculture I understand that it is actually quite "easy" to create the proper environment for seeds....not nearly as "hard" as the old standby of plow, hoe, poison.... I am applying this to lots of levels. If we see more clearly the way that systems can support all living beings to thrive and we begin to use principles such as balance (in the garden by re mineralization of soil, protective mulch, allowing the beneficial insects, microbes etc to work) to our own lives (in our case whole foods...even eating delicious weeds that are in our gardens, whole salt, and water, our bodies have all they need to make major shifts already encoded in our DNA.

Florence Nightingale saw that given minimum clean water, fresh air and sunlight, nourishing food, the body heals. We have all this already IN us. We don't have to look outside for big answers. We are well equipped with just a change of tweaking our emphasis. I believe we will take in and process what may seem "wrong" in the chaos and emerge as a very refreshed humanity because this is our power. After all, it is all energy given a form. We are energy alchemists by nature. Just My perspective but here is a great few pages to read another person talking about the "Law of Emergence" that reassures me.

anakha coman:

A Clarion Call to Our Collective Emergence and Planetary Integrity
We are living in a rare and exquisite time on the planet today, a period in our collective
evolution that will be referred to as one of the greatest mystical renaissances of all times; a
radical return to the essential – to our original nature – in all aspects of life. The mystic Bede
Griffith referred to this as the “Hour of God,” a moment when everything is at stake, when a
vast shift of consciousness will have to take place on a massive scale in all societies and
religions for the world to survive. These times are marked by a heightened and concentrated
state of emergence; an increase in universal complexity, potency, creativity and chaos. On the
surface the conditions of our “collective dark night of the soul” — the global crisis and the
breakdown of economic, environmental, educational and healthcare systems and structures —
seem to indicate a time of despair, leaving us baffled and wondering “what is going wrong
here?” However, these adverse conditions are playing a critical role in activating a deep and
powerful emergence; a resurgence of our individual and collective Soul.
It is indeed darkest before the dawn and yet the dark, mysterious grounds of gestation give rise
to new life. The darkness is an essential and integral ingredient in the bringing forth and rising
up of a new world order and a new mankind. Without the dark damp earth pressing down and
in on the seed, it will stay dormant. And so it is with our own personal and collective Soul. It is
from within the darkness of the “emergency” in which we now find ourselves that the great
emergence will occur. The lines between the death of the old and the birth of the new are
blurring, one spilling into, initiating and informing the other. Unplanned and uncontrolled, this
collective chaos bears the true mark of the Divine — chaos giving rise to order, darkness
revealing a truer and more radiant Light, beauty born in depths of despair. Our choice is
ultimately a choice-less one – we can surrender to the emergence and powerfully co-create
from within it or we can stagnate and die. Resistance is ultimately futile and will only serve to
increase our individual and collective suffering. Yet, what is it we are surrendering to? We are
surrendering to the Divine blueprint, an emerging design for a world that works for all, blesses
all, considers and includes all.

http://anakhacoman.com/test/Chapter3TheLawofEmergence-AnAncientMysticalandScientificLaw.pdf

[WhiteFeather]

Quote By RMorgan: "We´re not ready for it, with our gigantic egos and unstoppable desires , we would just have a much bigger problem in our hands".

Some Are Very Well Ready To Let Go Of The Ego and Desires. Would You Care to Join Us.

Hi my friend,

When I´ve said "we", I was referring to the human race, not to myself.

The human race, as a whole, still needs a book (constitutions/bible/laws) to prevent it from destructing itself.

A species like this, from my point of view, isn´t ready to have bigger responsibility and powers.

In my opinion, we wont be ready to evolve until we solve our current problems, which are big and many.

Saying that you are ready to ascend, with another relatively small group of people, leaving the rest behind, is a big example of selfishness, in which self=ego.

Cheers,

Raf.

Raf. I'll be the first one to carry you on my back if so desired and or needed. And then I or my small family of many tribes and colors will come back for the rest. This is my contractual soul mission, a (STO) and as to why i had incarnated back again to this plane. No one left behind. For this is the 11th hour.


Spiritual balance is key.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvHMe3F411E

[RMorgan]

Raf. I'll be the first one to carry you on my back if so desired and or needed. And then I or my small family of many tribes and colors will come back for the rest. This is my contractual soul mission, a (STO) and as to why i had incarnated back again to this plane. No one left behind. For this is the 11th hour.



It´s reciprocal my friend. I´ll be more than happy to help you whenever I can, if within my reach. :)

Cheers,

Raf.

[king anthony]

Up untill a couple years ago my views would have been like King Anthony & Raf but...

I want to be very clear - the words I speak are not my views, nor are they any fiction (of mine), such as beliefs, theories and such nonsense - I don not have the luxuries of fictions.

[king anthony]

...Reincarnation, evolution and levels of consciousness like Dr David Hawkins talks about makes sense to me...

I say, is "it" about what makes sense to one or reality being what it is!?

[RUSirius]

Ok, so we all know about ascension, we have all heard about it, talked about it, pondered about it, and either doubted it, or embraced it.
Me?
Im still slightly confused about it!
While i know, iam a member of this forum, because iam somewhat "awake", even if to what level i still do not understand, and i have been a member of other forums, which place ascension on somewhat either these terms, "if you are of the light you will ascend, if you are dark, you will not!"
Whilst i dont believe the terms light or dark, i think we have the potential for both inside us all, it does not seem right, nor fair that one will ascend without the other, as essentially, for the most part, we are all the same.

So i wonder, if ascension is real, and i do think it is happening as we speak, on multipule levels, ie; feelings, emotions, growth, release, etc........otherswise, the people of the world we are in, would not be feeling these things, at the same time, it is apparent we are changing!
But no-one actually knows what happens, all we have are ancient texts based on the Mayan's and other civilizations, so does anyone on here, actually think they know, or can comprehend ascension, and if it invloves a merkba, then how do people who cant create one, ascend, and the same goes for kids and animals.

Thanks, confused, in liverpool haha!!!
Do we all ascend, or only some, or all together?

Ok, my friend literally pulling my thoughts out of my head these past months SERIOUSLY SAME BOAT, in between being concerned about the whole maybe I'm not pure enough to ascend with everyone, and I cant seem to master myself so I screwed. Thanks for the post, very cool.

[RUSirius]

Hi, yeah, im not sure of it, this is why iam questioning.
Your answer seems likely to me, because i was on Ashtar Command, and they are all convinced it is happening, and it has to do with the GFL, when i was posting other stuff to say the GFL are the elite trying to trick people into thinking this.
I have though, felt stuff, inside, like certain energies and what not, and i dont know if they are linked to ascension, but i dont really know what is going on, or who to trust on these things.
I guess iam rather cynical at the moment, cos i know things are changing in certain ways, just not in ways that we would like to beleive.

Again totally agreed

[RUSirius]

If is ascension is what I think it is, which is just puzzle work/intuition based on what I hear from different sources, does it help that I honestly feel that we (the human race, but specifically me) are pretty dilusional based on my perception of self and others, can anyone help me with where Im going with this? I'll wait for feedback and give someone else a chance.

[EnergyGardener]

Kelly,

Be careful who you ask what you ask, because some of the responses, provided you take them seriously, may discourage you and send you backwards.

For you asked perhaps one of the most important questions of ourselves individually and as a collective human race.

[king anthony]

Kelly,

Be careful who you ask what you ask, because...

...those socially conditioned to how things have been and are now will "deceive", either by chance or by design.

[jcocks]

IMHO, The term "ascention" is a misnomer. It implies that we go somewhere. In reality we do not go anywhere. I believe "ascention" is essentially just a change in how you see reality and how you interact with it. Your perceptions simply expand to take more in of what is already here.

We also love to make ascention a complex ritual. Nothing could be further from the truth. Acention is a natural process - an extension of evolution, an "evolution of the mind and spirit" if you will. You will ascend (to an extent) just by being on this planet and partaking of the new energies of the sun. Inner work can make this proces a lot easier and less "painful", but it will happen to you if you don't do any as well. You may not go "the whole hog", but even if you leave your body midway through the process, your spirit will still have been touched by the process - you will not be the same spirit on the same level as before the process began.

That's my take on it from many years of contemplation, and I believe I have it correct for the most part. I don't even like using the term ascention anymore. "evolution of the mind and soul" sounds much more truthful and comes with a heck of a lot less energy attached to it :)

[lilac]

WhiteFeather, thank you, my Boddhisatva friend, for coming back and helping every last one, and I share this view... somebody loses, nobody wins. I love Lisa Renee and really enjoyed listening to her again. I liked what she said in Part 5 of the Veritas interview, that if you value truth more than being right and stand up for that truth, there will be those who oppose and even hate you. I have been experiencing this lately. This year I have been more outspoken than ever before. It's not really a conscious thing, I just can't help it. Got tired of hiding my light. I think that Ascension is simpler than we think. We are one with the Earth and all is ascending. Be in love, be in touch with her and trust. Another new part of myself that is emerging is a deepened connection with animals. I especially love dogs. There is no subterfuge or jealousy or doubt. Happy to see ya every time.

[king anthony]

If is ascension is what I think it is, which is just puzzle work/intuition...

If I may add. If the words "ascension" or being "awake" has any real value (meaning), then it would be seeing, understanding and accepting the "full picture of the puzzle".

This appears to require much from the masses (population), such as critical thinking, research skills, comprehension ability, sacrifice, commitment and doing. Many should ask, of what value would the words "ascension" or being "awake" have if/when fictions are imposed.


@ ALL

Not complicating the uncomplicated aids in keeping reality in view - know that all things are part of the "full picture"; therefore, learn from and apply from related / non-related sources to increase one's knowledge base - do not be in awe of the words of others, for a true seeker/researcher relies on facts and concludes for themselves.

Facts are truths, which all share, not belonging to anyone - for example, the earth is a non-living thing with a biosphere for life as all know it - and those who make claim of being something more are making no claim at all; all one needs to do is listen to their words to know them.

Emotions, such as "love" are not magical or mystical and have a time and place; as with any external substance, emotions can and most times will impair such things as perception, "good" judgement and clarity in thought. For example, many cannot let go of their feel-good (their fictions such as beliefs, theories, opinions), which is emotions based - thus, never being able to be true in life.

[dan i el]

Hero created a flagon with a secret chamber so that water or wine could be alternately poured..it was a party trick in the royal court..it seems that from this we have the persistent meme of the miraculous conversion of water to wine.

Equally, it could that the idea of ascension is another proliferate meme stemming from the Nicean and Apolistic creeds of Judeo-Christianity concerning Jesus' resurrection.

[Ella]

Kerry wrote something on her blog the other day that made me stop and think. She implied that the convergence of all the time lines that we are to experience and are indeed experiencing now may be ascension, that we start to experience all the different possibilities of ourselves simultaneously. I'll just quote what she said I think:

''While watching a FRINGE EPISODE detailing the drug they call "cortexiphan" which removes limitations from brain thus changing the way one thinks and therefore changing reality… It occurred to me that this is another way of understanding converging timelines. That is, that what we are experiencing is actually simply the converging of multiple realities revealing our multiple selves. This results in a kind of 360 type peripheral view being nonstop...unlimited creating sense of wholeness.. of completion. Which would result in a kind of transcendence. Because likely, the sum of all our selves is greater than the whole…

This may be the true meaning of ascension.''

I kinda like this idea.

[RMorgan]

Kerry wrote something on her blog the other day that made me stop and think. She implied that the convergence of all the time lines that we are to experience and are indeed experiencing now may be ascension, that we start to experience all the different possibilities of ourselves simultaneously. I'll just quote what she said I think:

''While watching a FRINGE EPISODE detailing the drug they call "cortexiphan" which removes limitations from brain thus changing the way one thinks and therefore changing reality… It occurred to me that this is another way of understanding converging timelines. That is, that what we are experiencing is actually simply the converging of multiple realities revealing our multiple selves. This results in a kind of 360 type peripheral view being nonstop...unlimited creating sense of wholeness.. of completion. Which would result in a kind of transcendence. Because likely, the sum of all our selves is greater than the whole…

This may be the true meaning of ascension.''

I kinda like this idea.

Hey Ella,

This timelines thing is really fascinating indeed, but most people have no idea what they are talking about when using such term.

To experience multiple timelines at one would be a completely crazy thing. It´s not like feeling one with the universe and something like this.

It´s more like experiencing yourself multiple times in the same space of time, doing multiple different tasks at the exact same moment.

Technically, it would be like riding your car to work, working out at the gym, going to the library ( and anything else you want) all at the same time.

The complexity of experiencing multiple timelines is so great that you can end up actually experiencing several lives, because each decision taken in each time line would have different consequences.

So, in one time line you can be married, on the other you can be single, on the other you can be a priest, on the other you can be dead, AND, the most important, you would be aware of all of it, as a single conscious.

Have you met anyone who can do that? I don´t.

So, when people say we are experiencing multiple time lines and this kind of thing, it´s the most pure speculative nonsense. Feeling good, feeling connected with the universe and with love and with everything is great indeed, but it hasn´t anything to do with time lines.

Cheers,

Raf.

[WhiteFeather]

WhiteFeather, thank you, my Boddhisatva friend, for coming back and helping every last one, and I share this view... somebody loses, nobody wins. I love Lisa Renee and really enjoyed listening to her again. I liked what she said in Part 5 of the Veritas interview, that if you value truth more than being right and stand up for that truth, there will be those who oppose and even hate you. I have been experiencing this lately. This year I have been more outspoken than ever before. It's not really a conscious thing, I just can't help it. Got tired of hiding my light. I think that Ascension is simpler than we think. We are one with the Earth and all is ascending. Be in love, be in touch with her and trust. Another new part of myself that is emerging is a deepened connection with animals. I especially love dogs. There is no subterfuge or jealousy or doubt. Happy to see ya every time.

You hit the proverbial nail on its head Lilac. Ascension is Oneness and changing our frequency. It is that simple. Namaste

Ps. This is exactly why i recently posted The Animal Slaughter Thread several days ago. The animals are every part of the oneness field. I believe consuming them hinders our ascensional growth IMO.

[Ella]

Hi Raf,

Yes I totally get that logically it would not be possible. It's the idea I like, not the concrete possibility. I'm not talking about experiencing all the timelines simultaneously. I like the idea that we may achieve 'ascension' at the point when we know ourselves completely. Forget the term 'convergence of timelines' then, it was the use of this term that made me think. The idea that when we knew ourselves so well in that we have experienced everything possible, that that may be the point of ascension. And of course, I know little of all this time line business, I know little of anything. But the day where I can understand all possible 'versions' of myself and have all possible knowledge about myself, that is maybe the day I will 'ascend', for want of a better word.

:)

[RUSirius]

I have two sides with this, maybe more if I really thought about it, but here are two for now, the confused side which really just honestly doesnt know what to believe although I have quite a few different thoughts based on others doing the research and me researching the others research. And the other side, is just that I am simply hopeful, some might say potentially disillusioned with what my imagination leads me to believe could be a number of things potentially happening, after all we are in a reality of unlimited potential, or so I'm told. I do believe it though, reality is to confusing to be limited.

[RMorgan]

I have two sides with this, maybe more if I really thought about it, but here are two for now, the confused side which really just honestly doesnt know what to believe although I have quite a few different thoughts based on others doing the research and me researching the others research. And the other side, is just that I am simply hopeful, some might say potentially disillusioned with what my imagination leads me to believe could be a number of things potentially happening, after all we are in a reality of unlimited potential, or so I'm told. I do believe it though, reality is to confusing to be limited.


Hi my friend,

Actually, the very concept of reality is very very vague. It´s one of the greatest philosophical problems.

There´s absolutely no way for us to define what´s real or not, since we only perceive the world through our senses, which are very very limited.

The same thing works for the concept of knowledge. There isn´t true knowledge, I mean, 100% certainty. Knowledge is just beliefs which are conventionally agreed by a majority.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Peace of Mind]

The only ascension I’m witnessing is our awareness, awakening to our true self and possibly unique dormant powers. My understanding of this has always been our veil being lifted to what is actually happening to us (we all are seeing this now); everything else about ascension is new to me and most of it seems very misleading. There’s a part of me that’s interested in some of the other theories… but they seem very vague. I’m not one to put faith into something that’s indefinable. We all have been suffering because we constantly do this.

I really don’t see that much of a change in people that will grant them the ascension they seek, which actually requires being pro-active, I really don’t see their efforts; however, I do see people becoming wiser to our collective problems. So, I guess what I learned many years ago about the subject is still holding its weight…. while these other theories seem to need a collective response to trigger it. If that trigger is pulled…whatever it releases into our reality is exactly what we wanted and not something we were tricked into wanting.

Peace

[king anthony]

...I'm not talking about experiencing all the timelines simultaneously. I like the idea...

There is one timeline; take for example time travel and going back into one's past - killing one's parents before one is born. This does not mean one does not exist afterwards.

Referring to the "tea cup model", there is so much "mass" in any given point in existence; by relocating mass (to a different point in "time") does not mean the mass will affect its "point of origin of existing" by any actions - it may however, change (some/many "minor") events.

And I have not even addressed that "time" is an illusion - something I spoke of when I was a child.

The mass of one, in this example, exists in the one place they are. Again, one must "see" when this type of thought (multiple timelines) originated and why it has become popular with some.

This is no different then the misunderstanding of reincarnation and life after death, as the thought of multiple timelines gives hope and such - and hope being the impossibility of reason. Remember, words have meaning based on thought and with meaning words have "power".

Furthering this, one cannot live more then one life at a time (even those who believe in reincarnation say this - unless some find a way to create something new and make the two work together); for example, if another is a clone of one, it does not mean there are two of the one. Simply because one may be genetically identical to another, does not mean they are as one; for they are their own beings.

All one needs to do is look at "twins", "triplets" and such; each are their own being. There may be "links" (of whatever kind) and some similar characteristics between them; however, each remain their own person.

In order for one to be the exact same as another they would have to share everything exactly, including mass and even thought; if this be true, then one and another are really one - in the same timeline.

If nothing is shared, then they cannot be the same; thus, if not the same then existence differs for each - as all share the same reality, thus the timelines are the same for all. To unravel the complicated thought back to how it should be, uncomplicated, all one needs to do is move backwards in the timeline (pun intended).

I say, is it about what is liked or what reality is!?

[RUSirius]

I have two sides with this, maybe more if I really thought about it, but here are two for now, the confused side which really just honestly doesnt know what to believe although I have quite a few different thoughts based on others doing the research and me researching the others research. And the other side, is just that I am simply hopeful, some might say potentially disillusioned with what my imagination leads me to believe could be a number of things potentially happening, after all we are in a reality of unlimited potential, or so I'm told. I do believe it though, reality is to confusing to be limited.




Hi my friend,

Actually, the very concept of reality is very very vague. It´s one of the greatest philosophical problems.

There´s absolutely no way for us to define what´s real or not, since we only perceive the world through our senses, which are very very limited.

The same thing works for the concept of knowledge. There isn´t true knowledge, I mean, 100% certainty. Knowledge is just beliefs which are conventionally agreed by a majority.

Cheers,

Raf.

Could not agree more at this stage, if I receive any "knowledge" I'll be sure to let everyone know. I'm pretty sure most of the truly awake beings throughout our known history have all repeated the same message which is, the more you think you know, the more you really know nothing, or something of those sorts. To me that is not just wisdom, but accurate/logical. I've also heard many times that if we in our human state were given just a taste of what is really real, it would scramble our brains.

[king anthony]

...the more you think you know, the more you really know nothing...

Something like, "saying you're awake means you're not (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40992-Saying-You-re-Awake-Means-You-re-Not)"? I say, how would one know if another does come with knowledge, understanding and the "willingness" to share it - if one cannot see past themselves (including the social conditioning imposed)!?

[jorr lundstrom]

Here comes a mix of thoughts and expereiences. One common expression
these days is " we are spirits having a human experience". I have one
objection against that statement, we a not spirits, we are spirit or source
or divinity or wot we prefer to call this. If we accept this, isnt this exactly
wot we should do then. If we are here to explore wot it is like to be in
a human body, why not take this opportunity to experience this to
the degree its possible. So instead of speaking about ascension, maybe
we should discuss immersion, ie support sources explorations through
this body, instaed of spinning dreams of leaving on a cloud or in any
other way. We are here now, in this moment, so lets be here then.
And of course if anyone want to dream of ascension, Im not against
that, do as you like, I just dont buy this ascension thing.

All is well


Jorr

[Kelly]

Wow, thankyou everyone for all your replies and thoughts!!!
I will look at them all properly later and try to dechiper what i think ascension is, or isnt, as the case may be! :confused:

[MariaDine]

Here is a must read ... :)

http://books.google.pt/books?id=dh5Jcz9HTBYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=joshua+david+stone+ascension&hl=pt-PT&sa=X&ei=JLd3T9SFH6ya1AWTsM2zDQ&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=joshua%20david%20stone%20ascension&f=false

http://books.google.pt/books?id=Qs6ErkJnVvAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=joshua+david+stone+ascension&hl=pt-PT&sa=X&ei=JLd3T9SFH6ya1AWTsM2zDQ&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=joshua%20david%20stone%20ascension&f=false

[Bo Atkinson]

These are multi-meaning terms and even 'brands' spanning many diverging viewpoints. We can see our focus in any selected direction. Or not bother at all.

http://harmoniouspalette.com/SpiralPerspective.gif

Spirals were a big fad with assorted marketers. Yet the form still remains key in geometry and manufacturing your gadgets and computers.

When i know i don't know something, my first thought is OK, so another focus is out there.

I don't make a big assertion against someone who feels devoted to something, if it concerns their personal matters.

[Patrikas]

Ascension is a process and is not just limited to people

in our case it applies to Earth herself an all she is made up of ,
and all consciousness who are here in form or not in form

to be spiritual...in the physical

[Jenci]

Ok, so we all know about ascension, we have all heard about it, talked about it, pondered about it, and either doubted it, or embraced it.
Me?
Im still slightly confused about it!
While i know, iam a member of this forum, because iam somewhat "awake", even if to what level i still do not understand, and i have been a member of other forums, which place ascension on somewhat either these terms, "if you are of the light you will ascend, if you are dark, you will not!"
Whilst i dont believe the terms light or dark, i think we have the potential for both inside us all, it does not seem right, nor fair that one will ascend without the other, as essentially, for the most part, we are all the same.

So i wonder, if ascension is real, and i do think it is happening as we speak, on multipule levels, ie; feelings, emotions, growth, release, etc........otherswise, the people of the world we are in, would not be feeling these things, at the same time, it is apparent we are changing!
But no-one actually knows what happens, all we have are ancient texts based on the Mayan's and other civilizations, so does anyone on here, actually think they know, or can comprehend ascension, and if it invloves a merkba, then how do people who cant create one, ascend, and the same goes for kids and animals.

Thanks, confused, in liverpool haha!!!
Do we all ascend, or only some, or all together?


Hi Kelly,

If we put aside all ideas of ascension, going somewhere better, going somewhere higher, leaving somewhere, leaving duality, raising frequency, changing dimensions, changing dna, being saved by ET etc etc.......what are we left with?

We are left with what we are, right here, right now.

It's very simple, it's very ordinary but true realisation of this is our "ascension".

This simplicity of this experience right here, right now gets missed when people are looking for a better experience, at some point in the future and promoting the idea that we are going to ascend.

Jeanette

[Kelly]

Lol, thanks Jenci, ive just had a little realisation come to me, about ascension, and thought i would write it here, and you basically took the words out of my mouth haha!
What i was going to say is, it is all about me, and it is all about you, it is about who we are, who we are becoming, every second of every day, everything we learn is part of "ascension".
The simplicity of being here, right now, is me ascending into me, you into you, growing and learning, even the bits that we dont like, is just as important, its learning to be ourselves, true to ourselves, and loving ourselves, growing into our own power and love and authenticity, and seeing all as doing the same, therefore respecting others on their ascending paths too, even if they are different from ours.
My view may well differ tomorrow, but hey, im still learning :) xxx

[another bob]

I've also heard many times that if we in our human state were given just a taste of what is really real, it would scramble our brains.

Basically, correct, which is also why all the talk we hear about "getting enlightened" is poopadoodle. Humans could not handle "enlightenment". There are some mature folk who can handle a more refined form of the illusion, and they pop up every now and then. The next chapter in the saga may see more of them.




Here comes a mix of thoughts and expereiences. One common expression
these days is " we are spirits having a human experience". I have one
objection against that statement, we a not spirits, we are spirit or source
or divinity or wot we prefer to call this. If we accept this, isnt this exactly
wot we should do then. If we are here to explore wot it is like to be in
a human body, why not take this opportunity to experience this to
the degree its possible. So instead of speaking about ascension, maybe
we should discuss immersion, ie support sources explorations through
this body, instaed of spinning dreams of leaving on a cloud or in any
other way. We are here now, in this moment, so lets be here then.

That's the spirit! It seems obvious enough, doesn't it, but typically the most simple thing is the one most overlooked.





This simplicity of this experience right here, right now gets missed when people are looking for a better experience, at some point in the future and promoting the idea that we are going to ascend.


Yep!





The simplicity of being here, right now, is me ascending into me, you into you, growing and learning, even the bits that we dont like, is just as important, its learning to be ourselves, true to ourselves, and loving ourselves, growing into our own power and love and authenticity, and seeing all as doing the same, therefore respecting others on their ascending paths too, even if they are different from ours.


There ya go!



:yo:

[Debra]

Yesss,

The word transition was strangely part of my thinking from an early age Whitefeather. I always wondered why the word kept reverberating in my head and it took a number of years to discover its fuller meaning. I was born to help.

The Zebra is now in service :)


[QUOTE=WhiteFeather;457982]This is my contractual soul mission, a (STO) and as to why i had incarnated back again to this plane. No one left behind. For this is the 11th hour.