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Hughe
30th March 2012, 11:15
I found below website put together HHO related documents for newbie.

http://www.fuelsaver-mpg.com/documents




http://www.fuelsaver-mpg.com/how-does-hho-work

Back in the good old days, before there were computers in cars, experimenters were able to add HHO to their engines and get remarkable mileage gains and dramatic decreases in emissions. No other handling was needed to get excellent results. Similarly, diesel engines, even today get excellent results with HHO and need no other handling.

However, with the advent of the computer, fuel injection, oxygen sensors, and other sensors used to control the air/fuel ratio, a problem is introduced into this simple technology. The problem starts like this. When hydrogen is introduced, and the engine is turning more times with less gas, one of the results is that there is more oxygen coming through the exhaust. This is reported to the computer by the oxygen sensor(s) that are installed in the exhaust pipe(s). The computer reads this additional oxygen as a "lean" air/fuel mix. It then promptly adds more gas, until it "sees" the same exhaust conditions it was programmed to expect. However, it is now incorrectly adding gas when it shouldn't.

People with modern, fuel-injected cars, who put in HHO, often report that their vehicle runs smoother, and has a dramatic increase in horsepower. But they also often report no increase in fuel mileage. This is because the computer, that was designed for inefficient combustion, is adding much more gas than is actually needed. What is needed to get all the gains available to this technology is to compensate for this additional oxygen in the exhaust.

A device was created that does just that. It's called an EFIE, which is short for Electronic Fuel Injection Enhancer. You can find out more about this device, and how it works in the article EFIE Described. But basically this device compensates for the additional oxygen appearing in the exhaust, and allows the computer to do it's job correctly when an HHO system is installed.


I like to exchange information about the HHO kit for saving fuels on cars or motorcycles.

You can buy an instruction for $19.
http://hhosuperpack.com/

Below is a simple HHO kit howto.
How to build a simple, yet effective, HHO generator
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Cooking and cutting metal using HHO gas

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http://www.youtube.com/user/ehnriko#g/u

WITH REGARDS TO HYDROGEN HHO HYDROXY:

Keep the wattage low while keeping the output high. Less is more... The path of least resistance is what energy follows. Liquid water seeks it's own level... Gaseous water displaces itself.

At least 1:95 HHO to Fuel and Air Ratio will work if your AMPERAGE or Wattage is below (12VDC x 3A) or 36W. There is no BIG secret to this.

The muck is (chromium hexavalent - toxic and cancerous!)... - I don't have that problem anymore; That you can't bypas the O2 or Lambda Sensors (you dont have to anyway - use an EFIE or a MAF enhancer if you have an OBD1 or OBD2 engine, but if its' pre OBD - no need - EFIE's work only with cars with electronic injection systems!)... that too much advance and leaning will increase your unburned Hydrocarbons even with hydrogen enhancement, unless you play with 100% hydroxy injection - I wouldn't dare do that.... well - not yet.

I have come to conclude that the best setting for a Hydrogen enhancement is to put your car in the right tuning and AFR setting.

Doing so, will greatly reduce emission and increase mileage.

Saving the planet is more important than saving fuel. Hydrogen on demand is not about saving fuel... if it does, then consider it a bonus.

HHO kit installation FAQ for cars
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meat suit
30th March 2012, 21:43
I have played with hho extensively involving loads of time and finance.
I found like many that others in the field that the efficiency in modern efficient vehicles ie. the ones we mostly drive cant be much improved with hho.
also as a gas for heating welding etc. it doesnt solve any problems, as it takes at least as much electricity to split the water than you get in heat return.
hho is dangerous too as it expoldes/implodes in a vacuum, and nasty chemicals are involved in the production....
I am still folllowing the progress of a group of people who try to figure out the work of 80's water fuel car inventor Stanley Meyer...but sadly no luck there either so far...

hho is a seductive subject....

cheers
meat

Hughe
31st March 2012, 02:03
@meat suit

What's your average mileage gain from HHO?

I've spent good hours since last night. The average mileage gain is 15% to 50%. Modern cars that uses OBD-II (computer controlled engine management) probably need to install one or two electronic devices that adjust the computer's operation.

I gonna ride a motorcycle again. Gasoline price is $2+ per liter here. People spend $$$ blindly on fuels which I can't understand. They look fine spending $300 to $500 per month just for fuel. I'll be happy if I get 15% to 30% of increase on a motorcycle. I like to start from the basic set up and improve it.

meat suit
31st March 2012, 08:43
@meat suit

What's your average mileage gain from HHO?

I've spent good hours since last night. The average mileage gain is 15% to 50%. Modern cars that uses OBD-II (computer controlled engine management) probably need to install one or two electronic devices that adjust the computer's operation.

I gonna ride a motorcycle again. Gasoline price is $2+ per liter here. People spend $$$ blindly on fuels which I can't understand. They look fine spending $300 to $500 per month just for fuel. I'll be happy if I get 15% to 30% of increase on a motorcycle. I like to start from the basic set up and improve it.

hi hughe,

I found slight performance improvements but no real milage gain with 2002 vw and 2001 merceds diesel cars...neeither with 1993 nissan
have a look at my vids: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rCWYgWRvD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dishsnNvU88

you basically improve the air that gets burned with the fuel by injecting hho... but wether that compensates for the load you place on the alternator is the question...

really it only gets interesting once you look for overunity in the esoteric hho department ie. Bob Boyce and Stanley Meyer.....but like I said above...nobody gets it to work really....

the internet is full of guys selling you stuff that wont deliver...
cheers

meat

Ammit
31st March 2012, 10:38
Meat Suit

Your video link seems not to be working...

meat suit
31st March 2012, 15:39
dont know why that happened... here ya go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rCWYgWRvDE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dishsnNvU88

Hughe
31st March 2012, 18:10
In 1981 a stock motorcycle could do 198 mpg. It has almost four times higher mileage than hybrid cars on the market. I bet the governments and auto makers know how to produce super high mileage vehicles. But they just let billions will suffer and have miserable living day by day.



Cycle World magazine's Peter Egan and Steve Kimball entered a stock Honda C70 Passport in the 1981 Craig Vetter Fuel Economy Run, competing against specially designed high-mileage two wheelers built by teams of engineering students, and an entry from American Honda. The course was a 65 miles (105 km) loop near San Luis Obispo that had to be completed in 1 hour and 40 minutes, give or take 10 minutes, meaning an average speed of 35 mph (56 km/h). Kimball, riding the Passport, won the event through skillful and error-free riding, with 198 miles per US gallon (1.19 L/100 km; 238 mpg-imp).[38][39]


http://craigvetter.com/images/470MPG/1981%20FER/1981-stats-web.jpg

@meat suit

Free energy field is muddy world. So many people try to make money out of their little secrets. :doh:I joined a HHO forum yesterday to find out the little secrets hopefully: HHO vs fuel ratio, how to reduce actual fuel delivery to the engine. I'll look around an old motorcycle that uses a carburetor with decent mileage such as Honda C70.