Was MI6 spy-in-a-bag Gareth Williams killed by 'secret service dark arts'?

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Friday 30 March 2012
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Simon Israel Home Affairs Correspondent
Simon Israel is a Home Affairs Correspondent for Channel 4 News
DNA evidence in the death of MI6 agent Gareth Williams is contaminated and its reliability questioned by the coroner examining the discovery of Williams' body, found naked and padlocked in a gym bag.

Scotland Yard revealed that a key line of inquiry into the death has been an 18-month DNA mix-up. A significant amount of DNA found on Gareth Williams' hand was the result of contamination by a scientist examining the Pimlico flat, an MI6 safe house where Mr Williams lived alone.

The contamination raises serious question about the credibility of evidence and the reliability of private forensic company LGC, the same company that provided key evidence to the Metropolitan Police in the Stephen Lawrence murder trial.

The coroner has called LGC senior executives to explain the reliability of DNA evidence when the full inquest resumes on 23 April.

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Senior met officer reveals significant dna finding on spy's hand turned out to the result of contamination by a scientist at the scene
30 Mar 12



A second area of the investigation has also proved futile, the pre-inquest review heard. While police released sketches of a Mediterranean couple who allegedly let themselves into Mr Williams' flat, the coroner referred to the couple as a "red herring".

Gareth Williams' family believe an unknown third party, a "member of some agency specialising in the dark arts of the secret service," was either present when he died or entered the flat afterward to destroy or remove evidence, Anthony O'Toole, the family's lawyer, said.

Dr Fiona Wilcox, the London coroner investigating the bizarre death of the 31-year-old code breaker and maths genius, told the hearing at Westminster coroner's court that whether Mr Williams was alive inside the bag and locked it himself "was at the very heart of this inquiry". Experts say it is very unlikely he could have locked himseld inside the bag.

Speculation

Speculation and theories about the death have ranged from a solo sex game gone wrong to murder by foreign agents.

Police found Mr Williams' body in his Pimlico flat on 23 August 2010. The keys to the padlock were inside the bag and he is believed to have died a week before the discovery of his body.

The coroner also revealed a long witness list of about 30 people who will be called when the five-day hearing begins in April.

Among those testifying will be experts from Counter Terrorism Command, known as SO15, vetted to examine Mr Williams' computers and phones found at the scene.

A number of agents, listed only by an initial, will testify from MI6 and GCHQ, the government communications headquarters, where Mr Williams worked before his secondment to MI6.

Police have also revealed Mr Williams visited bondage websites months before his death and accessed sites were people were tied up. Tickets to a drag show and women's clothing valued at £15,000 were also found in the central London flat.
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MI6 spy inquest: Gareth Williams was "unhappy"

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SPY Gareth Williams was unhappy in London and complained of “friction” at MI6 before he was found dead in a sports holdall, his family said today.

Cycling enthusiast Mr Williams was due to return to the West Country a week after he was found dead because he hated the “rat race” and the “flash car competitions”, sister Ceri Subbe said.

She told the inquest into his death she did not believe Mr Williams would let a potential killer in his upmarket London flat, adding: “I cannot emphasise enough his conscientiousness.”

MI6 were “dragging their feet” in approving his request in April 2010 to return to GCHQ’s Gloucestershire HQ, she added.

Her statement added: “He disliked office culture, post-work drinks, flash car competitions and the rat race.

He even spoke of friction in the office.” Explaining her comment, Ms Subbe added: “The job was not quite what he expected. He encountered more red tape than he was comfortable with.”

The blonde-haired sister was asked about £20,000 of women’s clothes which were found in his flat after he died.

She said it was “not particularly” surprising, adding that they were “possibly as a gift”.

In a statement read out earlier, Ms Subbe said: “In terms of a big brother figure, Gareth was perfect.”

She added: “It’s impossible to do justice to Gareth’s impressive character without meeting him.” Ms Subbe told how she “had a truly magical time” during her last meeting with Mr Williams for “dainty finger sandwiches” at the Ritz hotel.

“As a family we were incredibly close,” her statement said.

Mr Williams was supposed to be on a three-year secondment in London.

But “as time went by his enthusiasm began to fade”, Ms Subbe said. Bosses had agreed to let him leave on September 1 2010 - just a week after his death.

The naked and decomposing body of Mr Williams, 31, from Valley, was found in the bath of his home in Pimlico, west London, on August 25 2010.

The discovery sparked a painstaking investigation, worldwide media frenzy and several outlandish conspiracy theorie

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'Body in the bag' spy death: The six key questions that must be answered at the inquest

The inquest into MI6 spy Gareth Williams's mysterious death began today. Here are six questions that remain unanswered
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Was there someone else in the flat with Gareth Williams when he died?

Police say it would have been impossible to get into the locked bag alone.

Mr Williams ’s body had no signs of defence injuries from a struggle.

The flat was double locked and there was no forensic evidence of a third party.
Why did it take so long to raise the alarm?

Mr Williams was last seen on August 15, 2010, and police believe he died in the early hours of the following day.

But he was not reported missing by anyone until his sister rang police seven days later.
Were the dark arts of the spooks involved?

His family suspect members of an intelligence service were involved in what they see as a possible murder and cover-up.
Was Mr Williams being followed?

A friend is said to have told police he had told her he feared he was under surveillance.

But he did not reveal by whom.
Was Mr Williams’s work behind his death?

He had just returned from holiday in the United States but neither MI6 nor GCHQ have wanted to make public what the codebreaker was involved in at the time of his death.
Did a sex game go wrong?

There was no trace of alcohol or recreational drugs in his body.

But if he was interested in auto-eroticism why was it not picked up when he was vetted?

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Detective: highly likely that third party was involved in death of MI6 spy Gareth Williams
The investigation into the death of MI6 spy Gareth Williams will now “refocus” in the light of fresh lines of inquiry that emerged during his inquest, the detective leading the case said today.

5:08PM BST 02 May 2012

Detective Chief Inspector Jackie Sebire said it was "highly likely that a third party was involved" in death of Gareth Williams and urged anyone who knew the MI6 spy or had contact with him before he died to get in touch with her team.

DCI Sebire said Scotland Yard would now look again at all the evidence in the case in the hope of making a breakthrough and bring comfort to his grieving family.

She said a number of fresh lines of investigation had emerged during the inquest and they would now be followed up.

Mr Williams’ naked and decomposing body was discovered in a padlocked holdall in the bath of his flat in Pimlico, central London in August 2010.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9241517/Detective-highly-likely-that-third-party-was-involved-in-death-of-MI6-spy-Gareth-Williams.html

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Coroner: "Unlikely" MI6 spy Gareth Williams' death will ever be explained

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The holdall death mystery of MI6 codebreaker Gareth Williams may never be solved, a coroner said today.

Dr Fiona Wilcox criticised the 21-month investigation as she said it was "unlikely" the riddle "will ever be satisfactorily explained".

Dr Wilcox said it remained a "legitimate line of inquiry" that the secret services were involved in Mr Williams’s death.

She ruled "it would appear that many agencies fell short" during the inquiries into his death.

MI6 chief apologises to Gareth Williams' family

But she said "there was no evidence to support that he died at the hands of" spies as the inquest drew to a close.

Despite a 21-month police inquiry and seven days of evidence, "most of the fundamental questions in relation to how Gareth died remain unanswered", she added.

She questioned why details of Mr Williams’s private life were leaked to the press.

The coroner ruled out Mr Williams’s interest in bondage and drag queens in having any bearing on his death, before adding: "I wonder if this was an attempt by some third party to manipulate the evidence."

Dr Wilcox said several factors hampered inquiries, including breakdowns in communication by her own coroner’s office in ordering a second post-mortem examination, a DNA mix-up by forensics and the late submission of evidence by MI6 to police.

She found it "highly unlikely" that Mr Williams got inside his red North Face holdall alone, saying: "If Gareth had been carrying out some kind of peculiar experiment, he wouldn’t care if he left any foot or fingerprints."

Referring to claims that he was interested in bondage, the coroner added: "I would have expected much more internet activity to have been recovered."

Mr Williams, a 31-year-old fitness enthusiast originally from Anglesey, was found naked, curled up in the padlocked holdall in the bath of his flat in Pimlico, central London, on August 23, 2010.

Pathologists said he would have suffocated within three minutes if he was alive when he got inside the 32in by 19in red North Face bag.

Poisoning and asphyxiation were the "foremost contenders" in solving the death riddle, they said.

Bag experts said that even renowned escapologist Harry Houdini would have struggled to lock himself in the bag, while Mr Williams’s family lawyer has suggested the "dark arts" of the secret services were behind the mystery.

Police, however, recovered no evidence of a third party being present and have no suspects in their inquiry.

Dr Wilcox said in her verdict that the "highly unusual circumstances" of Mr Williams’s death had immediately raised the possibility of foul play however, which had prompted "endless speculation".

"I find that this did affect the quality of the evidence that was heard before this court," she said.

But the coroner added that "taking all these shortfalls together, I am satisfied that the evidence is reliable and that we do not have to adjourn at this point".

The lack of hand and footprints in the bathroom was "significant", Dr Wilcox said, telling the court: "In relation to the prints found within the bathroom, in my view what was more significant was what was not found rather than what was found."

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May 2, 2012 4:50 pm
MI6 chief says sorry to dead spy’s family

By James Blitz in London
A still image taken from a video security camera shows murder victim Gareth Williams at Holland Park tube station in London©Reuters

Sir John Sawers, the head of Britain’s secret intelligence service MI6, apologised “unreservedly” to the family of a dead spy on Wednesday, acknowledging the agency’s tardiness in registering his absence from work after his death.

As an inquest was concluded into the death of Gareth Williams, a brilliant codebreaker who died in unexplained circumstances in August 2010, Sir John said his organisation should have acted more swiftly to establish the spy’s whereabouts when he failed to turn up for work.



The coroner investigating the death of Williams, whose body was found zipped inside a holdall in his London flat, judged it was “unlikely this death will ever be satisfactorily explained”.

Dr Fiona Wilcox said that “on the balance of probabilities” Williams was unlawfully killed and that it was unlikely he could have got into the bag himself. She said she was “satisfied ... that a third party moved the bag containing Gareth into the bath”, where his body was found.

At the time of his death, Williams, 31, was a codes and ciphers expert employed by the Government Communications Headquarters and on secondment to MI6. It was a role that put him at the cutting edge of the covert communications technology used in foreign intelligence gathering.

Williams’ absence was only investigated by his line manager one week after he failed to turn up for work. When the body was discovered, it was so badly decomposed that a postmortem examination could not determine the cause of death.

Williams’ family criticised MI6 after the verdict, lamenting “the failure of his employers ... to take even the most basic inquiries as to his whereabouts and welfare, which any reasonable employer would have taken”.

In response, Sir John said “lessons have been learnt, in particular the responsibility of all staff to report unaccounted staff absences”.

During the inquest, the lack of significant DNA at the scene of the death led lawyers acting for Williams’ family to suggest another person was present at the flat when he died. This person, they suggested, “was a member of some agency specialising in the dark arts of the secret services” or “evidence has been removed ... by experts in dark arts”.

In her summing up, Dr Wilcox said it remained a “legitimate line of inquiry” that UK intelligence secret services had been involved in his death but that she had seen “no evidence to support that he died at the hands of” spies.

It emerged on Tuesday that memory sticks found among Williams’ possessions were examined by MI6 but never handed to detectives investigating his murder.

However, MI6 said on Wednesday: “We fully co-operated with the police and will continue to do so during the ongoing investigation. We gave all the evidence to the police when they wanted it; at no time did we withhold any evidence.”

The coroner said that in the handing of Williams’s death “it would appear that many agencies fell short”. She noted that during the investigation, Scotland Yard was not able to speak to Williams MI6 colleagues directly.

Dr Wilcox also identified breakdowns in communication by her office in ordering a second post mortem, a DNA mix-up by forensics and the late submission of evidence by MI6 to police.

She also said leaks to the media about Williams’ alleged interest in bondage and drag queens had no bearing on his death. “I wonder if this was an attempt by some third party to manipulate the evidence,” she said.

[Cidersomerset]

I posted this thread as something is very odd about the case, initially it was reported Gareth was a minor operative, later it appears he was a child prodigy
who had a moor important job than was being reported.....

The Police say Foul Play....

The Coroner is not happy....

The Head of MI6 Appologies.....

Theres more to this than we will know !!!!

Rest in Peace Gareth......

[Ammit]

When I watched this on the news it immediately made me think that he was HIT, the womens clothing could purely have been him setting up an online fasion wear store ( maybe a way to escape his job by setting up something else), the flat was immaculate except the battered bathroom, things in the flat could have been planted to misdirect police and investigations.

The bag was a super brain teaser, was he trying to practice for something or was he locked in it to die, not very HIT way of doing things, but worked if it was.

I do not think they will ever know what happened.

[Cidersomerset]

I agree the ITV Wales programme above touched on several possibilites and one of the contributors mentioned it was common
knowledge that intelligence agencies have proffesional clean up teams.....

This reminded me of a scene from the pulled brilliant intelligence analysts series Rubicon which was divuldging to many
dark art secrets and one episode showed how to dispose of and clean up a hit scene......

[wynderer]

i think some do know what happened -- this might tie into 'the unspeakable perversion of the elites' thread

it's funny in a sad way that there is even the suggestion that he climbed into a bag in a small space & locked himself in

[Cidersomerset]

This is todays BBC report and even they think it fishy !!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17929632
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Gareth Williams: MI6 clean-up theory in spy's death, says expert Crispin Black
Gareth Williams The police investigation into Gareth Williams's death has lasted 21 months
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An intelligence expert says a cover-up by British secret services cannot be ruled out in the death of MI6 spy Gareth Williams.

The body of Mr Williams, 31, from Anglesey, was found locked in a bag in his London flat in 2010.

Delivering a narrative verdict, the coroner said on the balance of probabilities he was unlawfully killed.

But Crispin Black told BBC Wales' Week In Week Out programme he believes the case has been interfered with.

"There's a possibility there's been some sort of clean-up by MI6 - that's a clear possibility," said Mr Black, an intelligence analyst and former advisor to the UK government who followed the inquest on behalf of the programme.

"One thing I'm pretty sure of, and I think others will be too, is that the police are unlikely to have been the first people around to that flat."

The programme also heard from two key witnesses who gave evidence at the inquest.
'No room to manoeuvre'

One was Peter Faulding, an expert in confined spaces who attempted 300 times to lock himself in a North Face bag in a bath, like the one Mr Williams was found in, and failed every time.

"Locking the bag from the inside in a confined area, you can't access the lock from the outside, you can pull the material together but your arms when you're inside the bag, your arms are on the chest and there is no room to manoeuvre," he said.

Robin Williams, family solicitor: "We are disappointed at MI6 for failing to make relevant documents available"

"There's no hold to get a lock through, so it becomes near impossible. I couldn't do it.

"I'm not an escapologist but I think even Houdini would have a problem with this one."

Mr Faulding believes another person must have locked the bag, and in his view, the evidence from the inquest can only point to one conclusion.

He added: "I don't think he'd think about suicide. Also the sex game theory- the evidence doesn't really count. I think it was potentially murder."

Another key witness was pathologist Richard Shepherd.
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I'm not an escapologist but I think even Houdini would have a problem with this one”

Peter Faulding Expert in confined spaces

Crucially, his attempts to finding a cause of death that may have shed some light on how Mr Williams died, were hampered because of the eight-day delay in finding the missing body.

"The gaps that we had are the time he remained in his flat and the body decomposing - minor scratches to the skin would have been obliterated," he told the programme.

"Other features can sometimes can be subtle and decomposition will obliterate them, so that was the major hurdle we all had to jump."

It was MI6's delay in reporting him missing from work that has resulted in the delay in finding the body.
'Unconvincing'

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The fact that an operationally-active spy was not reported missing earlier surprised the coroner, and many following the inquest, including intelligence expert Mr Black.
Man zipping himself in a bag THE LOCKED BAG RIDDLE: One key question before the inquest was whether Mr Williams had locked himself in the bag. Expert witness Peter Faulding, shown above, said that he had tried and failed to lock the bag from inside 300 times

He said: "I find the idea that nobody knew or raised alarm about his seven-day absence from work unconvincing, in fact unbelievable.

"Think about what we are being asked to believe - that somebody on attachment to the UK's foreign intelligence service, living in a flat a few hundred yards from its headquarters cannot turn up for work for a week and nobody appears to be concerned or worried."

Mr Black added: "He's brought from the country, attached to MI6, and just left alone.

"Now that is just bad management and also if I was an enemy agency seeking access to [the secret service] would be looking for young vulnerable men who are involved in secretive technical tasks."

****Mr Black believes the death raises serious public concern about the security services.****

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

There was alleged report to who & what was behind this on the edge media forum just before the body was found. There were two devices also involved. It was a warning to the Unionist establishment so rumour has it. Its a shame the forum is now locked out.

As they say, timing is everything.
The question still remains; Are folk on the PA boards really ready for the truth?
Mayb something are best left alone?

[Cidersomerset]

Your probably right Bryn this is out of our league but I thought worth updating the post I started a few weeks ago....

These games and intrigues are usually kept out of sight, maybe it is a message.....

[tenacity1]

:rolleyes:ya think? What else could it be but the dark side taking out one of their spies for reasons that will most likely take years to come out. Those folks just don't play nice. The ambivalence of the inquest verdict should be clue one. I've come to think if someone with an "official" type job is speaking , they are probably lying.

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MI6 spy in a bag case: Gareth Williams 'probably' locked himself in holdall by accident

Scotland Yard puts itself at odds with findings of coroner and family of MI6 codebreaker

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/mi6-spy-in-a-bag-case-gareth-williams-probably-locked-himself-in-holdall-by-accident-8936843.html


Scotland Yard today put itself at odds with the findings of a coroner and the family of MI6 codebreaker Gareth Williams by announcing that he had most probably died by accident when his body was found in a locked bag.

An inquest last year found that Mr Williams, whose remains were discovered inside a sports holdall in a bath with no evidence of his DNA on the padlock used to close it, had "on the balance of probabilities" been killed unlawfully in August 2010 while he was working for the Secret Intelligence Service while on secondment from GCHQ.

The finding by Westminster coroner Dr Fiona Wilcox prompted a reinvestigation by the Metropolitan Police lasting a further 12 months which officers said had been allowed unprecedented access to serving MI6 staff following strong criticism at the inquest of the spying agency's actions following the death of Mr Williams.

But a senior Yard officer announced that despite a re-examination of all evidence and the investigation of new leads no definitive answers had been obtained as to the cause of Mr Williams' death and the "most probable scenario" was that he had died alone in his flat in Pimlico, central London, as the result of accidentally locking himself inside the bag.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt told a press briefing at New Scotland Yard that while there was no evidence to conclusively explain the death of the 31-year-old codes expert, police were now able to draw a different "logical inference" from that of Dr Wilcox, who had found that the death was "likely to have been criminally meditated".

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The holdall in which Gareth Williams was found curled in a fetal position

Mr Hewitt said: "With the conclusion of the investigation, the MPS position is that, on balance, it is a more probable conclusion that there was no other person present when Gareth died. But the reality is that… there exist evidential contradictions and gaps in our understanding."

The Yard said Dr Wilcox had accepted the findings of the investigation but had decided there was insufficient evidence for her to apply to re-open her inquest and consider fresh findings.

But the family of Mr Williams, a maths prodigy from Anglesey, said they believed that the conclusion of Dr Wilcox that foul play was the most likely cause of the GCHQ specialist's death - and that the involvement of the security services could not be ruled out although there was no evidence to that effect - remained valid. Among the lines of inquiry reportedly pursued by police was the theory that Mr Williams may have been murdered in connection with work that had brought him into contact with active MI6 agents.

In a statement, the family said: "We consider that on the basis of the facts at present known the coroner's verdict accurately reflects the circumstances of Gareth's death."

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Gareth Williams's parents leave Westminster Coroner's Court last year

The family were also sharply critical of MI6 after the spying agency failed to investigate his failure to attend work on 16 August 2010. His decomposing remains were not found until a week later inside his MI6-owned flat, where the central heating had been left on despite the summer weather.

The statement said: "We believe that if proper steps had been taken in the same manner as any reasonable employer would have taken, further information relating to the cause of his death might have become apparent and not have been lost due to the length of time before Gareth's body was found."

The Yard said that it had studied videos which emerged following last year's inquest showing how a person could lock themselves inside a sports bag and accepted it is "now proven" that such an event could have happened with the same North Face holdall and padlock in which Mr Williams was found.

Mr Hewitt said he believed that evidence pointed out by Dr Wilcox as significant, such as the absence of any palm prints from Mr Williams on the bath, could be explained by him not having touched it as he got into the bag but he accepted other evidence, such as the absence of the victim's DNA on the padlock, remained unexplained. He added that there was no evidence that Mr Williams' interest in bondage or escapology was linked to his death.

Mr Hewitt said his officers had been allowed to interview 27 MI6 and GCHQ employees after it emerged during the inquest that direct access had not been given to investigators following Mr Williams' death and potential evidence, including memory sticks and a bag found under his desk, had not been made available.

The officer admitted that the Yard "did not get it right" in its arrangements with MI6 but said it had now received full co-operation. He rejected suggestions that the intelligence agency had been able to "pull the wool over my eyes".

The Yard said it was no longer pursuing any active lines of enquiry but the case would remain review. The re-investigation found 10 to 15 traces of DNA which current technology is unable to develop into full profiles. All other DNA and fingerprints in the flat had been eliminated.

[Nasu]

This is todays BBC report and even they think it fishy !!!

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THE LOCKED BAG RIDDLE: 

One key question before the inquest was whether Mr Williams had locked himself in the bag. Expert witness Peter Faulding, shown above, said that he had tried and failed to lock the bag from inside 300 times.

He said: "I find the idea that nobody knew or raised alarm about his seven-day absence from work unconvincing, in fact unbelievable.

"Think about what we are being asked to believe - that somebody on attachment to the UK's foreign intelligence service, living in a flat a few hundred yards from its headquarters cannot turn up for work for a week and nobody appears to be concerned or worried."

Mr Black added: "He's brought from the country, attached to MI6, and just left alone.

"Now that is just bad management and also if I was an enemy agency seeking access to [the secret service] would be looking for young vulnerable men who are involved in secretive technical tasks."

****Mr Black believes the death raises serious public concern about the security services.****
 
Nothing to see here, move along. Classic case of genderbagging, a sexual act akin to asphyxiation. Move along.... N

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Nothing to see here, move along. Classic case of genderbagging, a sexual act akin to asphyxiation. Move along.... N


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I still think there is something fishy going on !!

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[Corncrake]

What a mess!

When I first read about this, due to the evidence, I though it was some sort of 'kinky' game that had back fired. But with all the spy novels I have read and not always novels but factual stuff as well I question how the 'evidence' got there. So easy to plant it.

'Police have also revealed Mr Williams visited bondage websites months before his death and accessed sites were people were tied up. Tickets to a drag show and women's clothing valued at £15,000 were also found in the central London flat.'

Then there are the reporting styles used. Why mention that his sister has 'blonde hair'?

I don't know what the truth is but have to be careful to pull back and try and remain objective as I am always inclined towards the 'conspiracy' ....

[Nasu]

Yup there is something very fishy about all of this. It's a sad story, whatever the truth, whoever gained, a man in "our" employ, lost his life for no apparent reason, other than dressing up, climbing into a tiny bag, in the bath and dying from lack of air, of course. Not the sort of thing you would want mentioned on the MIAnything prospectus or career days... N

[Eram]

A spy, who's chance to get murdered is, well, about hundred fold times more then the average Joe, is found in a bag, in a bath tub...... with a lock at the zipper.

and the police conclude that he probably isn't murdered?

My girlfriend worked for the police for 17 years and she can tell all about how an organ like the police can come to a "not so obvious" conclusion like this.

Let me tell you that it has nothing to do with "good old" detective work.
In the last five years of her career as a crime analyst, she has several times refused to put her signature under analyses that she "co" worked on and were up for presentation to the staff.

[araucaria]

MI6 Spy Gareth Williams 'Died Alone In Holdall' Police Conclude


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11/13/gareth-williams-spy-died-alone-police-say_n_4265601.html?utm_hp_ref=uk


You mean there was only the one guy in that holdall?

[norman]

You wouldn't put a victim in a locked bag unless you also put together all other "evidence" required to get away with it.

[Nasu]

You wouldn't put a victim in a locked bag unless you also put together all other "evidence" required to get away with it.

Mabey they had. Maybe the fellow with the dolly to move the bag, got stuck in traffic, maybe they switched to plan b, took everything important that they could carry and exeted stage right. Too many questions, too many maybe's. Clearly not an accident though, slipping in the bath, maybe, but this, no, I for one cry foul... N