"They"...

[king anthony]

...control the water...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlbWsWPgUx8&list=WLDC5E36F417113861&index=22&feature=plpp_video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlbWsWPgUx8&list=WLDC5E36F417113861&index=22&feature=plpp_video

...basic grains (the food supply)...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnD-DiDRIJA&list=WLDC5E36F417113861&index=20&feature=plpp_video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnD-DiDRIJA&list=WLDC5E36F417113861&index=20&feature=plpp_video

...air (through carbon taxation)...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zOXmJ4jd-8&feature=relmfu


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zOXmJ4jd-8&feature=relmfu

...lie to everyone...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZVOU5bfHrM&list=FLKYutvLyktxiKq4NFImJz_A&index=96&feature=plpp_video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZVOU5bfHrM&list=FLKYutvLyktxiKq4NFImJz_A&index=96&feature=plpp_video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXrN9HhnCcM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXrN9HhnCcM

...keep the population dumbed down...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9CE55wbtY&list=FLKYutvLyktxiKq4NFImJz_A&index=147&feature=plpp_video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9CE55wbtY&list=FLKYutvLyktxiKq4NFImJz_A&index=147&feature=plpp_video

...control the lifeline of civilization...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewGMBOB4Gg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewGMBOB4Gg

...and continue. Why have you allowed this to be - better yet, what are you going to do about it!?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO36y78dXAs&list=FLKYutvLyktxiKq4NFImJz_A&index=126&feature=plpp_video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO36y78dXAs&list=FLKYutvLyktxiKq4NFImJz_A&index=126&feature=plpp_video

[Endity]

GRRRRR I want to watch these videos so bad. I HATE THAT I HAVE DIAL UP!

[Maia Gabrial]

I believe the good news is that THEY are finished... They have enjoyed the power for so long, but that's over now. They're done for. They want us to continue believeing that they're in power; when in fact, they're running scared now. As last ditch efforts, they're throwing everything at us AND none of it's working. WE'RE the tsunami that's rolling over them NOW.

WE have ALLOWED them to think they were so powerful. WE"RE the ones who will put them in their places NOW...
So, they're dead meat and they know it....

[WhiteFeather]

I believe the good news is that THEY are finished... They have enjoyed the power for so long, but that's over now. They're done for. They want us to continue believeing that they're in power; when in fact, they're running scared now. As last ditch efforts, they're throwing everything at us AND none of it's working. WE'RE the tsunami that's rolling over them NOW.

WE have ALLOWED them to think they were so powerful. WE"RE the ones who will put them in their places NOW...
So, they're dead meat and they know it....

Yes Maia G. I agree,,,, Timeline 1 and The Checkmate scenario is upon them. No more moves. For Their powers are useless now, begone. Time to take back what's ours (Mother Earth).

[king anthony]

I believe the good news is that THEY are finished... They have enjoyed the power for so long, but that's over now. They're done for. They want us to continue believeing that they're in power; when in fact, they're running scared now....

Some do say the words you share; however, the reality is they are not finished. Example, what evidence is there that this be true - there is none. Protests and marches have done nothing. How do "we" know, because nothing has changed; at best superficial things may have for a moment.

What evidence is seen, how some "rejoice" in believing "they" are "finished" and continuing to do nothing to make change. Where has it been/is now the "fight" they gave/give, as "they" allegedly began to lose or have lost!? Is it believed "they" would not retaliate with so much more if/when threatened of loss!?

For example, some have made attempt to have "lawful rebellion" (another topic of discussion) by arguing Common Law jurisdictions - did "they" run from this or have "they" begun to imprison the "rebels"!? Mindboggling how some still do the same with the hope of a different outcome.

What commitment and sacrifice has been made by those who do not want to live the way civilization is now!? What is observed is the commitment and sacrifice "they" have made to continue a conspiracy that has been going on for thousands of years - yes, it has been this long. False flag operations, social conditioning, hunger, (corporate) profits, wars, deceptions overall and such have not stopped (or slowed).

Let no one forget that "earthly" matters are part of a "greater picture"; people are still being abducted by "those others" regardless what fiction they rely on. Some/many refuse to accept "those others" exist. "They" still have alliances with some of "those others" and "those others" continue to "battle amongst themselves.

It will be over when the human species can speak as one voice - it will be over when the great battle to come concludes - it will be over when there is no doubt in the "hearts" and minds of all.

This is not fear mongering, being pessimistic, negative and such - this is reality and to answer my own rhetorical question in the OP - "you" have allowed things to be as they are, in part, by turning "your" backs to the (horrible) truths - as an inconvenience to the little bubbles of existence.

Are "they" running scared!? No, they have not even reached the climax of the potential of "their" deeds; how do "we" know this, because no one has even begun to do anything substantial - and the few who have/are now suffer or are no longer.

[dan i el]

first comes absolute chaos and then order is presented after it. SOS

[ROMANWKT]

I would like to say that king Anthony beat me to this, what he is saying here and the response that we are winning is so worrying, that I check the forum daily when I can, and this continued nonsense that we are on top of what is really happening leaves me speechless and dumbfounded as to where does anybody think that we are in any control, that the oldest trick in the book making you feel that all this is something that we can overcome with loads of light and love BS. We are at this very moment so stupid weak, its unbelievable. All this information above in the videos show us all that we are completely out of it, yes we know here in the forum whats going on, but billions don't.

Please stop kidding ourselves that we are handling what is happening or about to happen, that we can handle this, because if they turned the switch off any one thing you will not want to be there and experience when poor ignorance takes over and the slaughter begins, The wake up call may be to late, or we really need to wake up and something has to be done now before its too late, if it isn't already.

Sorry for sounding this way, but I mean every word, the time must be now, or else, we need to think and action, think and action. we are here, but we are completely sterile.

Regards as ever to all of you
roman

[DeDukshyn]

None of these things that they do, can or will take away that which has value to me. When you cease to fear, the fear of their control ceases to control you.

These things are all still parts of "their" systems. The solutions cannot be easily found within "their" systems. A new paradigm is required, and it is one I am helping to build ;-)
However, for those who desire to "correct" their systems, much work will be needed. My 2 cents. ;)

[DeDukshyn]

I would like to say that king Anthony beat me to this, what he is saying here and the response that we are winning is so worrying, that I check the forum daily when I can, and this continued nonsense that we are on top of what is really happening leaves me speechless and dumbfounded as to where does anybody think that we are in any control, that the oldest trick in the book making you feel that all this is something that we can overcome with loads of light and love BS. We are at this very moment so stupid weak, its unbelievable. All this information above in the videos show us all that we are completely out of it, yes we know here in the forum whats going on, but billions don't.

Please stop kidding ourselves that we are handling what is happening or about to happen, that we can handle this, because if they turned the switch off any one thing you will not want to be there and experience when poor ignorance takes over and the slaughter begins, The wake up call may be to late, or we really need to wake up and something has to be done now before its too late, if it isn't already.

Sorry for sounding this way, but I mean every word, the time must be now, or else, we need to think and action, think and action. we are here, but we are completely sterile.

Regards as ever to all of you
roman

Don't forget that we are all connected. When one fears these things, that fear is added to the collective. When one remains fearless and confident in the face of the perceived fear, then that is also added to the collective, but I have a feeling I'm shooting over heads with that stance ... take it for what it is worth.

[Delight]

This is not fear mongering, being pessimistic, negative and such - this is reality and to answer my own rhetorical question in the OP - "you" have allowed things to be as they are, in part, by turning "your" backs to the (horrible) truths - as an inconvenience to the little bubbles of existence.

I have not experienced even one of those things mentioned in a way that has impacted my life. Yes, I hear about it but in my experince I have plenty of air, water and food. My taxes? yes but there is still plenty of money and I am not bothered and none of what you mention is of value to fight.

Happy animals, friends and several enlivening community experiences are the real to me.

I have a rhetorical question: "Who is "you"?" and is "what you experience" less "real" than what "you heard about"? Am I to stop believeing what i see, touch hear, smell, taste and come into personal contact with in preference for what I am told about?

And if I did have something in my immediate environment "show" what you say is happening, wouldn't I then have an impulse to act in that moment in a much more strong footing than needing now to go out and seek the problem to address?

Yes, I see people working together here tpo provide good whole food. I have chickens who give me eggs. I have happy dogs and cats. My friends are doing well. I still have the internet.

And guess bwhat "I" take full credit because THIS is MY world. Hope your personal world feels good too.

You are one I look to answer questions about mind control. Is it possible that one might be given such information to focus one's attention away from how well life is working really?

[king anthony]

I would like to say... think and action. we are here, but we are completely sterile...

Bravo!!!


None of these things that they do, can or will take away that which has value to me. When you cease to fear, the fear of their control ceases to control you... The solutions cannot be easily found within "their" systems. A new paradigm is required, and it is one I am helping to build...

Is it not so "they" can takeaway your friends, your family, your means of support, your home, your happiness, your reputation, your memories, your dreams, your goals, your accomplishments, your sanity, your inner self and such. Yes, yes they can take it all away - for they can even takeaway your life too.

The things stated above need to be defended and fought for - doing nothing is giving it all away.

Fear is not something bad and fear has nothing to do with being able to (or not being able to) do what needs to be done. I have said time and time again, the "systems" within this civilization (such as laws) belong to "them" - and I say, do not manipulate, change or takeaway that which belongs to them, lest one becomes a vandal or a thief.

There is nothing to correct in "their" systems, for "their" systems are working as designed.


@ ALL

In order to make a better world, then make the commitment declaring one's sovereignty/freedom - break away from the "systems" and do not consent to "their" ways. Agree to the universal law called (true) Natural Law. Make the needed sacrifices now for a better tomorrow for all. Or do nothing and simply wait.

[ROMANWKT]

HI all

I see that fear is mentioned, when you're 63 one does not give a $hit, there is no fear and there is dumb, whats is in the pipe works is a complete destruction of all life support for you, your family and friends.

Its the whole system is being manipulated to your total elimination.

If you don't care, that's fine, if you did care, what would you do about it, like I had said, billions don't know and don't believe this is going on, and that the biggest problem.

regards
roman

[DeDukshyn]

I would like to say... think and action. we are here, but we are completely sterile...

Bravo!!!


None of these things that they do, can or will take away that which has value to me. When you cease to fear, the fear of their control ceases to control you... The solutions cannot be easily found within "their" systems. A new paradigm is required, and it is one I am helping to build...

Is it not so "they" can takeaway your friends, your family, your means of support,.[ your home, your happiness, your reputation, your memories, your dreams, your goals, your accomplishments, your sanity, your inner self and such. Yes, yes they can take it all away - for they can even takeaway your life too.

The things stated above need to be defended and fought for - doing nothing is giving it all away.
...




Is it not so "they" can takeaway your friends, your family, your means of support, your home, your happiness, your reputation, your memories, your dreams, your goals, your accomplishments, your sanity, your inner self and such. Yes, yes they can take it all away - for they can even takeaway your life too.
-- they want me to believe this, yes, for their own reasons, but they cannot take these things from me, as my aspects of those things do not fit in their systems.



There is nothing to correct in "their" systems, for "their" systems are working as designed.
-- hence the need for a new paradigm.


The things stated above need to be defended and fought for - doing nothing is giving it all away.
-- Perhaps a thread on how you think this may be achieved would be a good start?

[ROMANWKT]

DeDukshyn how can you introduce a new paradigm when 99% of people in this world don't know whats going on and who is responsible for worldly manipulation????

Hi and regards to you
roman

[DeDukshyn]

DeDukshyn how can you introduce a new paradigm when 99% of people in this world don't know whats going on and who is responsible for worldly manipulation????

Hi and regards to you
roman

We are all connected ... It has to start from the inside. This thread is no place for me to get into that here, the good King and I do not see eye to eye on the topic and this is his thread.

[Woody]

'They' have set us at war with ourselves, through religion, race, colour, class, you name it. They have created those which have and created those which have not. Society is broken.
Millions of people being murdered all over the world through wars, famine, etc.
I am aware that I am a slave to the powers that be.
Regards Colin

[king anthony]

-- they want me to believe this, yes, for their own reasons, but they cannot take these things from me, as my aspects of those things do not fit in their systems.

-- hence the need for a new paradigm.

-- Perhaps a thread on how you think this may be achieved would be a good start?

I say, un-complicate the (un)complicated and clarity will be - for what is being demonstrated is fear and confusion - and I say this in aid.

How does one (or many) move forward when they cannot let go of the past - the past being the social conditioning imposed, the belief systems accepted (for example with words used) and such.

Have I not posted threads, posted replies/comments, posted videos, spoke in person and via the internet time and time again without interest of some/many others!?

[king anthony]

...King and I do not see eye to eye on the topic and this is his thread.

To say not "seeing eye to eye" is to imply/impose fictions (such as opinions) are being discussed.


...I am aware that I am a slave to the powers that be.

If this is what you wish then I wish you well - if it is not, then do something.

[ROMANWKT]

DeDukshyn how can you introduce a new paradigm when 99% of people in this world don't know whats going on and who is responsible for worldly manipulation????

Hi and regards to you
roman



We are all connected y ... It has to start from the inside. This thread is no place for me to get into that here, the good King and I do not see eye to eye on the topic and this is his thread.

DeDukshyn

That I understand about the connection, but it seems we have left it to late to let people know this, as they had defenatly not found this as yet, the masses. you know this, they don't. and again thats the problem.

Never mind about not seeing eye to eye, nobody does here anyway, and we all know about the paradigm, so is it the answer??????

regards
roman

[DeDukshyn]

I say, un-complicate the (un)complicated and clarity will be - for what is being demonstrated is fear and confusion - and I say this in aid.

How does one (or many) move forward when they cannot let go of the past - the past being the social conditioning imposed, the belief systems accepted (for example with words used) and such.

Have I not posted threads, posted replies/comments, posted videos, spoke in person and via the internet time and time again without interest of some/many others!?

-- If you are referring to my first point as demonstration of fear -- please elaborate why you think this, as I would disagree, I have little fear of anything.

-- This is where the training of the human mind and spirituality comes in. This is what we must spread - the abilities to learn to not base self in the past or future, but the present. Then the conditioning cannot exist. This is part of the "silent" revolution.

-- Yes, likely more than I am aware, and I see much discussion but few workable solutions presented, but, that said, I haven't looked that hard to be honest.

[DeDukshyn]

To say not "seeing eye to eye" is to imply/impose fictions (such as opinions) are being discussed.



Not at all really, it may just imply we are considering "facts" of different weight, or that our pools of "facts" have some exclusivity, as I would not consider that either you or I know all there is to know.


ADDITION: I have little interest in "saving" everyone. I understand the way things work in from a point of view of much vaster systems, this likely explains my peculiar (to some) POV on the topic.

[passiglight]

There is something i would like to point out which is a counter measure to your empowering description of the elites guys.......

There is a paradox and that is: We are still alive........

and i don't actually credit the elites with quite so much patience as some, because i think if they could have done us in they would have done it allready........

So there is a reason We are still here and alive, and that reason is because we are a genetic hybrid bio experiment, and that comment means that somebody created us and our experience mode and i would suggest that somebody doesn't want their experiment prematurely ended.......

The way i see it.......

We are all on a really big ship which is on auto control and no one can get access to the drive equipment or the auto pilot which is set to a straightline course, which is reasonably safe..

The crew are the Elites and we are the passengers.......and Gaia is our ship in a star flung armada with our sun as the lead ship, and we are all traveling through our galaxy together, and currently through the galactic ribbon at 1 million miles an hour and there is not one single thing they can do to change that fact..

They cannot maneuver a complete solar system,,and they cannot change their group destiny anymore than they can ours.,we are all in this together, whether they like it or not..

and whether they like it or not our existence is monitored and ordered by those who are conducting this experience..

The elites cannot and will not tolerate the "paradox" of "us alive" for them it is either white or black,,,,so how come we are still here ?,,,,,,,

in many ways, although they disgust me very much, the elites are feckless fools, whom we should not be too damming of for we know not what we did before.

As a side note to what Roman said above,,,,i would have said it was far to late to be able to have any reasonable cause or affect on the elite structure now, it is even decades too late.............

respect to you big energies and peace, masters of the paradox

we are energy

[ROMANWKT]

Hi passiglight

All that you had said is a very good way of looking at this and sensible, but they are strangling all resources, they are now in control of all of it, and that is something that they have achieved, that is the biggest problem at the moment, it will interfere with the experiment sooner rather than later, it has begun.

Regards to you and your as always
roman

[Delight]

I would like to say... think and action. we are here, but we are completely sterile...

Bravo!!!


None of these things that they do, can or will take away that which has value to me. When you cease to fear, the fear of their control ceases to control you... The solutions cannot be easily found within "their" systems. A new paradigm is required, and it is one I am helping to build...

Is it not so "they" can takeaway your friends, your family, your means of support, your home, your happiness, your reputation, your memories, your dreams, your goals, your accomplishments, your sanity, your inner self and such. Yes, yes they can take it all away - for they can even takeaway your life too.

The things stated above need to be defended and fought for - doing nothing is giving it all away........
.......Make the needed sacrifices now for a better tomorrow for all. Or do nothing and simply wait.

If you, King Anthony have suffered all these things personally in this lifetime or in memory, I do not wish to discount the pain. It is not my intention either to just be contrary. I too believe in Sovereignty as the highest value in social interaction.

But I see things a bit back arseward than the paradigm of "what you get is what you see already there...respond to it". I experience life from inside out and front to back. I want to imagine then see it all take shape and then tweak and then see, tweak and then see....on and on until???? In my experience, I have seen my reality change as I have changed my relationship to it. I won't bore with details. However this is very much the case. Maybe I am lucky or maybe I am in on a law that is also natural?

One is FIRST free to conceive of the world in which one wants to lend attention. There is freedom to respond to what is NOW in one's presence.
This is not confined to one approach to conception....There is always the joy of Tilting at Windmills....


Tilting at windmills is an English idiom which means "attacking imaginary enemies." The word “tilt,” here, means “fight.” This idiomatic phrase originated in the novel Don Quixote, and is often used today in reference to persistent engagement in a futile activity. At one point in the novel, Don Quixote fights windmills that he imagines to be giants. Quixote sees the windmill blades as the giant's arms, for instance. Here is the relevant portion of the novel:

"Just then they came in sight of thirty or forty windmills that rise from that plain. And no sooner did Don Quixote see them that he said to his squire, "Fortune is guiding our affairs better than we ourselves could have wished. Do you see over yonder, friend Sancho, thirty or forty hulking giants? I intend to do battle with them and slay them. With their spoils we shall begin to be rich for this is a righteous war and the removal of so foul a brood from off the face of the earth is a service God will bless."

[Woody]

Hi Roman, this is very true, 'They' own everything, the land we live on, the water we drink, the food we eat, they do indeed control everything. We are born into debt and slavery, and I believe that a great culling is coming, through disease, war and famine. My heart breaks at what might be around the corner, not only for the human race but for all life on this planet.
Peace, woody

[Delight]

In this strange amalgamation of everything in the borderland, I want to work for what is happening around me that belies the fear.
I may be a fool but I am a fool for what is as truer for me than the news. Thanks for letting me contribute my news here.
And even if wants to go "there" to the story told in the news of youtube videos, what is the ending? The Fat Lady has not sung yet but David Wilcox (no, not Wilcock) is singing:

cy0LBGTYyfg

[Godiam]

If, in your perception of reality, WE ARE ALL ONE, There is no THEY, and to buy into THEM and US is to play the GAME of DUALITY!

We can choose to fight against ASPECTS of SELF, or we can CHOOSE PEACE and realize it's all JUST AN ILLUSION anyway!

We create our PERCEPTION of REALITY with our THOUGHTS and BELIEFS, (This is how powerful we are) and to choose to create your reality in a fear based belief system, is choosing DUALITY over ONENESS!

I will continue to create the world I choose to live in, and refuse to buy into fear based versions of the illusion!

HUGS...........Godiam

[king anthony]

-- If you are referring to my first point... I haven't looked that hard to be honest.

I say, at the risk of sounding arrogant, none other has support my words more.


...as I would not consider that either you or I know all there is to know...

I say, how would one know if or when another comes that does have more knowledge, more understanding and is willing to share!?

Unfortunately, this discussion (between us) will be of no value if we continue - I wish you well.




If you, King Anthony have suffered all these things personally in this lifetime or in memory... I have seen my reality change as I have changed my relationship to it. I won't bore with details. However this is very much the case. Maybe I am lucky or maybe I am in on a law that is also natural... This is not confined to one approach to conception....There is always the joy of Tilting at Windmills....

I say, it is human arrogance to be something more then what they are. All share the same reality; however, each has their own experiences. There is one (true) Natural Law and there are ways that do more harm when seeking "freedom" and ways that do not - there are ways to be the non-aggressor and ways to be not - there are not more then one truths/facts - social conditioning has the masses/population be falsely empowered to believe there is.

[king anthony]

...so is it the answer...

If I may add, giving the benefit of the doubt to all things said (here) - is not insanity doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results - social conditioning has most not seeing this and it is so well ingrained they cannot accept these words.

[thunder24]

They are far from being done, we were created to b slaves, they pick the ones they want. If humans would come together and create friendships in real life...such as meeting up and having discussions on topics from here. Find out what u can of the other people..hear their story...that is love and light.

"If u see a hole fill it, so the next person don't step in" = You see a human that needs help..help them...don't just say u will send them good energy, some times all it takes is a conversation.

and yes they control the water and food....regain control of ur resources...this takes more then internet banter...

peace

[DeDukshyn]

I say, how would one know if or when another comes that does have more knowledge, more understanding and is willing to share!?

You wouldn't; and thus as is evidenced ... you don't.
To think one "knows" all there is to "know" is self defeating foolishness.

And there is no point giving you indications to the remedies you seek. You are in denial of an entire reality that does not support the current one you consistently lay out. Thus you give it no value, so as to keep the weight on your perceived "wrongs".

I wish you well, as I am straying this topic from its intent, I shall go present my wisdom elsewhere ... ;) Take Care King.

[king anthony]

You wouldn't; and thus as is evidenced...

Here is an example of one realizing their limits.

[Moz]

Considering it all (as best I can) I TRY to see it as simple as I can make it.

We are more people on earth than any time before.
Also there are more of us wanting to "see" or at least trying to understand what the hell we are doing here.
Things are moving in some direction and there are many that try to control this, even some who claim they actually do.
Freedom, justice, truth, respect, love etc. is a bit more possible for us (as individuals) now than 1000 years ago...its not perfect but I say give it another 10.000 years.

I for one believe in us, in you...we have to make it work but just for a while, just for the now...there is no "solution" that will last forever...I mean this is just my common sense (I may be off here) but I trust in the best I can do, and also believe that you do the best that you can...just a little bit better and we will make it over the top to the next hill.

A Big hug to you all,
Moz.

[king anthony]

...this takes more then internet banter...

Are you referring to the "keyboard" (weekend) warrior??

[mosquito]

Hi all, an interesting discussion, and as I see it, everyone is right !!

Globally, things are not getting better. This is surely evident. That is not to deny those people, like Delight, who thankfully are manifesting their reality, envisioning our future and living a wonderful, harmonious life. Good for you Delight, and thanks for your contributiuons. I believe everyone on this forum is doing what they can, with the resources, physical and emotional which they have available. Likewise, there are people all over the world who are doing their best to create something better, something fairer, something more sustainable, a world where we can all live in harmony. (Is this actually possible ? Or just a fantasy ?) But these things take time, everyone in the alternative community seems to think we are evolving, that more and more people are awake, that the "hundredth monkey" will wake up tomorrow, but all these people forget that for every one person waking up, there are tens of thousands of children being processed by the system, and rolling off the education production line as ready and willing slaves, happy to take out a mortgage, happy to put their money into a pension plan for the government to steal, happy to slog away on a daily basis for peanuts.

The bastards in power aren't scared, they are probably pissing themselves laughing.

The control system is getting stronger and stronger, there is no denying this. BUT ......

A wave travelling across the ocean is bound to crash against a shore; an over-inflated balloon is bound to burst; a long night is bound to end at daybreak.......

The system will crash, one day. And it will do so with a very very loud bang ! People will get hurt, belief systems will be shattered, and the phoenix will rise out of the ashes. So.... I am hopeful, I know it will come to an end, but whether it will be in my lifetime I know not.

Yes - we are all one, AT THE LEVEL OF CONSCIOUSNESS. At the physical, mundane, 3d level, we clearly are not.

So the solution (if one exists) to the problem (if one exists) lies in the non-physical, timeless dimension which defies our logic, and defies our ability to speak of it.

As ever, I may be completey wrong in evrything I think or say, so follow your own intuition, and continue doing whetever you can for you and yours.

Philip

[thunder24]

So the solution (if one exists) to the problem (if one exists) lies in the non-physical, timeless dimension which defies our logic, and defies our ability to speak of it.

As ever, I may be completey wrong in evrything I think or say, so follow your own intuition, and continue doing whetever you can for you and yours.

Philip

If it defies our logic then we should do nothing...sounds like ostrich with head in sand mentality...however i agree u should follow ur own intuition...

peace

[king anthony]

...So the solution (if one exists) to the problem (if one exists) lies in the non-physical, timeless dimension which defies our logic, and defies our ability to speak of it...

..sounds like ostrich with head in sand mentality...

Bingo Thunder - solve real problems with fictions.

[jorr lundstrom]

Are we not sources creations? Made in the image of source.

Are not wot we call our experiences, the experiences of

source? Why fret, why fear, everyhing is here this precious

moment. Everything is as it is meant to be. How could anything

be otherwise than it is? All is rolling out just fine. :playball:

All is well


Jorr

[thunder24]

Are we not sources creations? Made in the image of source.

Are not wot we call our experiences, the experiences of

source? Why fret, why fear, everyhing is here this precious

moment. Everything is as it is meant to be. How could anything

be otherwise than it is? All is rolling out just fine. :playball:

All is well


Jorr

With this understanding then it is the experience of coming together as a race to stand against the manipulation of other species towards us. And I do not like these facts...so I choose to experience trying to change the situation i find....and by leading others to think that all is well with the world....is something I personally do not stand with...So glad u agree


peace

[songsfortheotherkind]

It will be over when the human species can speak as one voice - it will be over when the great battle to come concludes - it will be over when there is no doubt in the "hearts" and minds of all.

If I really, truly believed this, I would go out into the mountains somewhere with my family, we'd live there in isolation until the sh!t fight came to our land, and then we'd all take the right pills, lie down in each other's arms, look into one another's loving eyes- and die. I have absolutely zero, sub zero, evidence that such a thing is possible for the entire human race, because they demonstrate it continually, constantly, and historically. If you're going to talk 'truth' then there it is- if the future of the human species is reliant on 'the hearts and minds of all' achieving some sort of concordance, then there is no future. Simple. Evidence based. Unless you're talking some kind of violent selection process, such as that spoken of in the bible, in which case I wouldn't want to be around afterwards with anyone like that god- or its followers- in charge, which has at times happened historically and that was just as ugly as everything so I'll pass on that as well.

Ugly 'truths'? Only for some.


Are "they" running scared!? No, they have not even reached the climax of the potential of "their" deeds; how do "we" know this, because no one has even begun to do anything substantial - and the few who have/are now suffer or are no longer.

So now I'm curious- what are these substantial actions that no one has undertaken? What is the solution that you are proposing, the actions that you assert will meet the criteria of 'substantial'?

[ROMANWKT]

It will be over when the human species can speak as one voice - it will be over when the great battle to come concludes - it will be over when there is no doubt in the "hearts" and minds of all.

If I really, truly believed this, I would go out into the mountains somewhere with my family, we'd live there in isolation until the sh!t fight came to our land, and then we'd all take the right pills, lie down in each other's arms, look into one another's loving eyes- and die. I have absolutely zero, sub zero, evidence that such a thing is possible for the entire human race, because they demonstrate it continually, constantly, and historically. If you're going to talk 'truth' then there it is- if the future of the human species is reliant on 'the hearts and minds of all' achieving some sort of concordance, then there is no future. Simple. Evidence based. Unless you're talking some kind of violent selection process, such as that spoken of in the bible, in which case I wouldn't want to be around afterwards with anyone like that god- or its followers- in charge, which has at times happened historically and that was just as ugly as everything so I'll pass on that as well.

Ugly 'truths'? Only for some.


Are "they" running scared!? No, they have not even reached the climax of the potential of "their" deeds; how do "we" know this, because no one has even begun to do anything substantial - and the few who have/are now suffer or are no longer.

So now I'm curious- what are these substantial actions that no one has undertaken? What is the solution that you are proposing, the actions that you assert will meet the criteria of 'substantial'?

Thats exactly what they want you to do is to die, don't do it, lets all correct this BS which is more than creeping on us all at this time, that is a very defeatist solution, not acceptable, and no reason for it, awake and unify, action.
regards
roman

[songsfortheotherkind]

Thats exactly what they want you to do is to die, don't do it, lets all correct this BS which is more than creeping on us all at this time, that is a very defeatist solution, not acceptable, and no reason for it, awake and unify, action.
regards
roman

1. If I really, truly believed this- if being the important word here. I'm not on the mountains, I'm not hiding at all, I'm here, doing my thing.

2. Defeatist solution- so what *is* the solution, according to the tenet of the OP? You also didn't offer any solution that might meet the OP's criteria of 'substantial' responses/actions.

Where is the substance, given the OPs perspective that nothing done to date is substantial or has been a useful response to the situation? I don't share that perspective at all, btw, I'm just wondering where the substance, the actual approval worthy solutions, are in terms of the parameters laid out. I'm not interested in rhetoric- there was criticism of that in the thread- I'm interested in the substance.

[king anthony]

If I really, truly believed this, I would go out into the mountains... then we'd all take the right pills... and die. I have absolutely zero, sub zero, evidence that such a thing is possible for the entire human race... all' achieving some sort of concordance, then there is no future... spoken of in the bible... Ugly 'truths'? Only for some... What is the solution that you are proposing, the actions that you assert will meet the criteria of 'substantial'?

What I know is what I share. I say, is not going out into the mountains leaving the challenges to others, while isolating one's self - isolation being no unity!?

If evidence is what one seeks, then this be their mission - if one's mission is to truly contribute then the reward will be different. I say, is it not easy to say something is too hard or impossible, reflecting limits, and do nothing - rather then applying/contributing what one and each has to a cause!?

It is not up to me or another to decide what opportunity, potential, ability and possible outcome it is for the collect - in part, this is up to the collective. The words I share do not come from a source or a few sources; at times, I am challenged in acceptance of these things.

I propose nothing, as I can only offer what I do; as not to give direction or lead, lest the same that has been and is now repeats - each must find things out for themselves and what I do is to claim my own sovereignty. This means, I "must" need such things as personal accountability, self-reliance (not implying isolation), relying on (true) Natural Law and skills such as critical thinking, logic, common sense.

Despite what belief system one may believe, such as afterlife or reincarnation - how can anyone expect to achieve what their belief system offers if/when they cannot even do that which is "tangible"!? How can the collective move forward with matters in the great abyss, when they cannot even do/achieve with "earthly" things!?

Ugly truths - some/many truths are "ugly" and to say other is not overcoming and adapting to them - it is denial.

[king anthony]

Thats exactly what they want you to do is to die, don't do it, lets all correct this BS which is more than creeping on us all at this time, that is a very defeatist solution, not acceptable, and no reason for it, awake and unify, action.

Well said.

[passiglight]

Hi Roman, you and King Anthony are two people i hold in great regard you both have done the major part of what has needed to be done,,,,,,you guys are awake and aware of the controllers and the controlling program..

i say this with total respect to you both and with total humility.

We need to move on from the fear based agenda.

Tomorrow we will wake up from a nights sleep and do what we do untill it is time for bed and so on, for now......

We know we are going through change, we know things are different for us than they were our parents and so on, and we have demonstrated the ability to adapt our thinking to cope with the new challenges..

We now have to move on and away from thinking that whatever the elites do or don't do will have any consequence for us.........

Try to forget about them, concentrate instead on your selfs,,, and recognise what is fear in us.......

The planet is going to rock and roll very soon,,,so what ?

Life is gonna get real tricky,,,,so what ?.........

Many folk who we love and strive to protect are going to depart and we are going to have to learn that we have little control over these events......let the ego be stripped away and let the fear be gone......

and recognise we have passed a marker of awareness which we no longer need to indulge ourselves in....

Spend ALL our time building our light and energy and love for Gaia and the universe and let those who are going through their stage of awareness make their learning......

We need to move on from talking about the elites and talk about ourselves,,,,,,

i see them chemtrailing everyday nowadays just a couple of weeks ago it was driving me mad with rage.......

Right now i don't give a rats arse, let them do whatever they want,it's they're Karma and it's they're illusion...........

thinking about "them" gives "them" your energy,,,,,,,,,live every day for the days are numbered and live not in daze of fear......

let the lion of learning now roar as the lion of bravery and see tomorrow as a surprising experience to be lucky to share


just after i had written the above i read this.............

"We are the BEings from the star system named TRIANGULUM by your peoples"

from here. http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=235253

i thought it was apt for this thread......


peace cosmic

[songsfortheotherkind]

I say, is not going out into the mountains leaving the challenges to others, while isolating one's self - isolation being no unity!? As opposed to what, being burned alive at the stake again? Watch my children be killed in front of me again? /headtilt/ I have nothing to prove to anyone regarding my commitment to the evolution and eschaton. And again, I said IF. IF I believed it.


If evidence is what one seeks, then this be their mission - if one's mission is to truly contribute then the reward will be different. I say, is it not easy to say something is too hard or impossible, reflecting limits, and do nothing - rather then applying/contributing what one and each has to a cause!?

It is not up to me or another to decide what opportunity, potential, ability and possible outcome it is for the collect - in part, this is up to the collective. The words I share do not come from a source or a few sources; at times, I am challenged in acceptance of these things.

I propose nothing, as I can only offer what I do; as not to give direction or lead, lest the same that has been and is now repeats - each must find things out for themselves and what I do is to claim my own sovereignty. This means, I "must" need such things as personal accountability, self-reliance (not implying isolation), relying on (true) Natural Law and skills such as critical thinking, logic, common sense.

Despite what belief system one may believe, such as afterlife or reincarnation - how can anyone expect to achieve what their belief system offers if/when they cannot even do that which is "tangible"!? How can the collective move forward with matters in the great abyss, when they cannot even do/achieve with "earthly" things!?

Ugly truths - some/many truths are "ugly" and to say other is not overcoming and adapting to them - it is denial.

Mmm, well, given the direction of my first response, which was based squarely on the original post you made, in which you wrote


Are "they" running scared!? No, they have not even reached the climax of the potential of "their" deeds; how do "we" know this, because no one has even begun to do anything substantial - and the few who have/are now suffer or are no longer.

I was curious as to what actions apparently are substantial enough.


It is not up to me or another to decide what opportunity, potential, ability and possible outcome it is for the collect - in part, this is up to the collective.

Apparently, there's no criteria at all, which would indicate to me that it's possible many of the actions that are being taken are actually very substantial, depending on the point of the hologram one is looking at, and that perhaps there are more things afoot than meets the eye.

Cool! Question sorted! I'll be on my way now.

[king anthony]

...I'll be on my way now.

None are more blind then those who cannot hear. I wish you well.

[ROMANWKT]

Hi Roman, you and King Anthony are two people i hold in great regard you both have done the major part of what has needed to be done,,,,,,you guys are awake and aware of the controllers and the controlling program..

i say this with total respect to you both and with total humility.

We need to move on from the fear based agenda.

Tomorrow we will wake up from a nights sleep and do what we do untill it is time for bed and so on, for now......

We know we are going through change, we know things are different for us than they were our parents and so on, and we have demonstrated the ability to adapt our thinking to cope with the new challenges..

We now have to move on and away from thinking that whatever the elites do or don't do will have any consequence for us.........

Try to forget about them, concentrate instead on your selfs,,, and recognise what is fear in us.......

The planet is going to rock and roll very soon,,,so what ?

Life is gonna get real tricky,,,,so what ?.........

Many folk who we love and strive to protect are going to depart and we are going to have to learn that we have little control over these events......let the ego be stripped away and let the fear be gone......

and recognise we have passed a marker of awareness which we no longer need to indulge ourselves in....

Spend ALL our time building our light and energy and love for Gaia and the universe and let those who are going through their stage of awareness make their learning......

We need to move on from talking about the elites and talk about ourselves,,,,,,

i see them chemtrailing everyday nowadays just a couple of weeks ago it was driving me mad with rage.......

Right now i don't give a rats arse, let them do whatever they want,it's they're Karma and it's they're illusion...........

thinking about "them" gives "them" your energy,,,,,,,,,live every day for the days are numbered and live not in daze of fear......

let the lion of learning now roar as the lion of bravery and see tomorrow as a surprising experience to be lucky to share


just after i had written the above i read this.............

"We are the BEings from the star system named TRIANGULUM by your peoples"

from here. http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=235253

i thought it was apt for this thread......


peace cosmic

Hi there passiglight, I couldn't agree with you more, you are on track, with the correct understanding of the situation, but there is another war going on which make them winners at what ever we choose to view this, go to http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43128-Modern-Women-have-corrupted-the-Universal-Consciousness page 4 I had added the real issues concerning the whole package, check it out.

Kindest regards to you both,let see what will be.
roman

[Kelly]

It will be over when the human species can speak as one voice - it will be over when the great battle to come concludes - it will be over when there is no doubt in the "hearts" and minds of all.
I have to say i agree with this, all of this statement, because they are not running scared, that is wishful thinking on our behalf, and as we continue sticking our heads in the sand, it will also contiune!

[king anthony]

I have to say i agree with this, all of this statement, because they are not running scared, that is wishful thinking on our behalf, and as we continue sticking our heads in the sand, it will also contiune!

Welcome to the not-head-in-sand group.

[9eagle9]

One may create a world for themselves not dependent on external sources, that is expressed as unaffected or least affected by the current regime. That is only on a individual level. My life is a constant work in progress to disconnect from the programming whether its new age bull**** and its insistence that we are all connected.

Those who insist we are and must be connected (and we are just not in ways that we think) I have to ask, where in your arrogance did you assume that I would want to be connected to you, that you are in some fashion dependant on me for YOUR future well being. This expecatation that I should be a happy spiritual being 'just' by being connected to you and whomever else. There is a connenction but it is not in this physical realm.

If we are all connected I have the option of hanging up the phone. I am not dependent on collective consciouness for my welfare now or in the future I am dependant on me.

The current human consciousness and consensus for deceiving themselves is not one that I wish to participate in. Right now our current New Thought movements are anything but new.

The only people I am interested investing my energy is those who reciprocate and not take nor depend on others for survival but can be in alignment . They already have what they need, if they choose to invest their energies in things external of them and think the whole world must come to some central agreement before their individual lives improve they are decieving themselves.

Nor am I decieving myself into thinking I can somehow imporve their conditions by plugging in with them. I cannot that is up to them. Once a willingness is demonstrated to get off the tit of collective human consciousness or transcend it rather than venerating it I may be more agreeable. However my somewhat challenged but charmed life will continue even if yours does not. I should sink with your ship because you can't manage your vessel?

If people feel they cannot fulfill their human potential without their peer group elevating themselves along with them they are still herd mentality creatures.

we are in such denial of our condition now that one finds it difficult to see how any appreciable change for the advancement of human potential can be wrought. However I do see , if rarely, the continued advancement of individual human potential who greatness over rides its scarcity.

[DeDukshyn]

Attention is a power of manifestation -- few participating in this thread can see this, but it is an undeniable truth, in which the mechanics of can even be explained even with our "sciences". Do what you will with it. ;)

There is a famous quantum physics experiment where the state of a light particle is demonstrated to be dependent on conscious observation. I don't have time to give you all quantum physics lessons -- The documentary "What the $%#@ do We Know!?" explains some of this in layman's terms for those who care to understand.

[DeDukshyn]

One may create a world for themselves not dependent on external sources, that is expressed as unaffected or least affected by the current regime. That is only on a individual level. My life is a constant work in progress to disconnect from the programming whether its new age bull**** and its insistence that we are all connected.

Those who insist we are and must be connected (and we are just not in ways that we think) I have to ask, where in your arrogance did you assume that I would want to be connected to you, that you are in some fashion dependant on me for YOUR future well being. This expecatation that I should be a happy spiritual being 'just' by being connected to you and whomever else. There is a connenction but it is not in this physical realm.

If we are all connected I have the option of hanging up the phone. I am not dependent on collective consciouness for my welfare now or in the future I am dependant on me.

The current human consciousness and consensus for deceiving themselves is not one that I wish to participate in. Right now our current New Thought movements are anything but new.

The only people I am interested investing my energy is those who reciprocate and not take nor depend on others for survival but can be in alignment . They already have what they need, if they choose to invest their energies in things external of them and think the whole world must come to some central agreement before their individual lives improve they are decieving themselves.

Nor am I decieving myself into thinking I can somehow imporve their conditions by plugging in with them. I cannot that is up to them. Once a willingness is demonstrated to get off the tit of collective human consciousness or transcend it rather than venerating it I may be more agreeable. However my somewhat challenged but charmed life will continue even if yours does not. I should sink with your ship because you can't manage your vessel?

If people feel they cannot fulfill their human potential without their peer group elevating themselves along with them they are still herd mentality creatures.

we are in such denial of our condition now that one finds it difficult to see how any appreciable change for the advancement of human potential can be wrought. However I do see , if rarely, the continued advancement of individual human potential who greatness over rides its scarcity.

We are connected via location
We are connected via Source
We are connected via Spirit
We are connected via the "reality" matrix
We are connected via brotherhood (ie we are all humans)
We are connected via our strife, our, joy, our love of play, our sense of adventure
We are connected via the human consciousness --- as all species are connected via each's consciousness, again there's "science" to back that up for those who'd think I'm spouting "New Age"

... lol, imagine that! Science getting confused with "New Age" and being denied because of it !... wouldn't be the first time!!! .. ;) The fear of "New Age" is more destructive to truth than "New Age" itself ... just as was intended by the controllers ....

Deny or accept it, we are connected.

Perhaps I'm not nailing the definitions you were using for the term "connected" -- Enlighten if needed.

[9eagle9]

We have choices and I chose not to play the games that are corrupted from such notions. Those are premises to be a great leveler of humanity not an elevator also based on the premise that we are equal when its obvious that we are not.





One may create a world for themselves not dependent on external sources, that is expressed as unaffected or least affected by the current regime. That is only on a individual level. My life is a constant work in progress to disconnect from the programming whether its new age bull**** and its insistence that we are all connected.

Those who insist we are and must be connected (and we are just not in ways that we think) I have to ask, where in your arrogance did you assume that I would want to be connected to you, that you are in some fashion dependant on me for YOUR future well being. This expecatation that I should be a happy spiritual being 'just' by being connected to you and whomever else. There is a connenction but it is not in this physical realm.

If we are all connected I have the option of hanging up the phone. I am not dependent on collective consciouness for my welfare now or in the future I am dependant on me.

The current human consciousness and consensus for deceiving themselves is not one that I wish to participate in. Right now our current New Thought movements are anything but new.

The only people I am interested investing my energy is those who reciprocate and not take nor depend on others for survival but can be in alignment . They already have what they need, if they choose to invest their energies in things external of them and think the whole world must come to some central agreement before their individual lives improve they are decieving themselves.

Nor am I decieving myself into thinking I can somehow imporve their conditions by plugging in with them. I cannot that is up to them. Once a willingness is demonstrated to get off the tit of collective human consciousness or transcend it rather than venerating it I may be more agreeable. However my somewhat challenged but charmed life will continue even if yours does not. I should sink with your ship because you can't manage your vessel?

If people feel they cannot fulfill their human potential without their peer group elevating themselves along with them they are still herd mentality creatures.

we are in such denial of our condition now that one finds it difficult to see how any appreciable change for the advancement of human potential can be wrought. However I do see , if rarely, the continued advancement of individual human potential who greatness over rides its scarcity.

We are connected via location
We are connected via Source
We are connected via Spirit
We are connected via the "reality" matrix
We are connected via brotherhood (ie we are all humans)
We are connected via our strife, our, joy, our love of play, our sense of adventure
We are connected via the human consciousness --- as all species are connected via each's consciousness, again there's "science" to back that up for those who'd think I'm spouting "New Age"

... lol, imagine that! Science getting confused with "New Age" and being denied because of it !... wouldn't be the first time!!! .. ;) The fear of "New Age" is more destructive to truth than "New Age" itself ... just as was intended by the controllers ....

Deny or accept it, we are connected.

Perhaps I'm not nailing the definitions you were using for the term "connected" -- Enlighten if needed.

[DeDukshyn]

We have choices and I chose not to play the games that are corrupted from such notions. Those are premises to be a great leveler of humanity not an elevator also based on the premise that we are equal when its obvious that we are not.





One may create a world for themselves not dependent on external sources, that is expressed as unaffected or least affected by the current regime. That is only on a individual level. My life is a constant work in progress to disconnect from the programming whether its new age bull**** and its insistence that we are all connected.

Those who insist we are and must be connected (and we are just not in ways that we think) I have to ask, where in your arrogance did you assume that I would want to be connected to you, that you are in some fashion dependant on me for YOUR future well being. This expecatation that I should be a happy spiritual being 'just' by being connected to you and whomever else. There is a connenction but it is not in this physical realm.

If we are all connected I have the option of hanging up the phone. I am not dependent on collective consciouness for my welfare now or in the future I am dependant on me.

The current human consciousness and consensus for deceiving themselves is not one that I wish to participate in. Right now our current New Thought movements are anything but new.

The only people I am interested investing my energy is those who reciprocate and not take nor depend on others for survival but can be in alignment . They already have what they need, if they choose to invest their energies in things external of them and think the whole world must come to some central agreement before their individual lives improve they are decieving themselves.

Nor am I decieving myself into thinking I can somehow imporve their conditions by plugging in with them. I cannot that is up to them. Once a willingness is demonstrated to get off the tit of collective human consciousness or transcend it rather than venerating it I may be more agreeable. However my somewhat challenged but charmed life will continue even if yours does not. I should sink with your ship because you can't manage your vessel?

If people feel they cannot fulfill their human potential without their peer group elevating themselves along with them they are still herd mentality creatures.

we are in such denial of our condition now that one finds it difficult to see how any appreciable change for the advancement of human potential can be wrought. However I do see , if rarely, the continued advancement of individual human potential who greatness over rides its scarcity.

We are connected via location
We are connected via Source
We are connected via Spirit
We are connected via the "reality" matrix
We are connected via brotherhood (ie we are all humans)
We are connected via our strife, our, joy, our love of play, our sense of adventure
We are connected via the human consciousness --- as all species are connected via each's consciousness, again there's "science" to back that up for those who'd think I'm spouting "New Age"

... lol, imagine that! Science getting confused with "New Age" and being denied because of it !... wouldn't be the first time!!! .. ;) The fear of "New Age" is more destructive to truth than "New Age" itself ... just as was intended by the controllers ....

Deny or accept it, we are connected.

Perhaps I'm not nailing the definitions you were using for the term "connected" -- Enlighten if needed.

That's a fair enough explanation .. but at the same time, the games don't make the true, untrue. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater! ;)

[jorr lundstrom]

There is no sharing.

All is well


Jorr

[king anthony]

From the OP - "Why have you allowed this to be - better yet, what are you going to do about it!?"

[Delight]

Attention is a power of manifestation -- few participating in this thread can see this, but it is an undeniable truth, in which the mechanics of can even be explained even with our "sciences". Do what you will with it. ;)

There is a famous quantum physics experiment where the state of a light particle is demonstrated to be dependent on conscious observation. I don't have time to give you all quantum physics lessons -- The documentary "What the $%#@ do We Know!?" explains some of this in layman's terms for those who care to understand.

One reason people become very upset about the activity around them that looks "bad" to them is because people believe some other force creates what we "have to" experience. After all, if everything around "looked great", wouldn't we just be soooo happy? There would be nothing "wanting". It is only because we do not enjoy it that there is any problem.

Do I "have to" experience anything I do not like? This to me is the major question. Is all this contrast for the very purpose of getting my self aggravated enough to take hold of the truth? Are we not said to be in every tradition we see "beings of (could be only in potential?) power".

Even in Christianity's main stream, Jesus was said to tell us something like "All these things and more you may do". What if EVERYTHING is all about priming us to take the plunge to accept a world that is much less what we see and much more we believe, attend to, and LOVE (we must LOVE and do even love our misery).

And what if "belief" is just the focused point of attention that splits off "time lines" and NOW we are able to understand that all of this is our entangled ONE experience where we focus and literally change probable reality for ourselves with our receiver/transmitter technology.

We are not at all required to manifest a particular time line. But we cannot operate a change if not conscious of what changes it. That is, we are the beings that agree to a particular set of probabilities. Science is behind us on the mystery. We are however going to have to "do something" about our agreements.

I sincerely question that if everything is all happening, ARE NOT WE asked to take responsibilty to key in on and experience the probability we can make Possible?

THAT is why we should not be afraid about anything we see. It is like looking down at a drain in the tub and feeling afraid we will be swept into the plumbing. That just came to me but it is an irrational fear based on not enough information there. It is impossible to be pulled down into the drain. But children sometimes have had that fear.

It is impossible from my questioning and the answers that returned to FEEL AFRAID anything I see to be laid out Is a solid "reality". The investigation leads deeper and deeper into the practical application that WHEN I, the Observer collapses the wave of probability into particle that is when I will see something. My mind collapses the field into a form. It can be changed as I change in attention. There is a technology there to learn.

Lets just play in that and see what happens? Everyone can be having a unique experience all their own and all in The ONE that both spiritual and hard core science lay out in this age of the AETHER. I want to play there.

Here is Bashar and another short bit including the particle experiment(Bashar is a channel for ETs but he is my favorite inspiration on parallel reality creation)

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[king anthony]

One reason people become very upset about the activity around them that looks "bad" to them is because people believe some other force creates what we "have to" experience... Are we not said to be in every tradition we see "beings of (could be only in potential?) power"... We are not at all required to manifest a particular time line. But we cannot operate a change if not conscious of what changes it. That is, we are the beings that agree to a particular set of probabilities. Science is behind us on the mystery... I sincerely question that if everything is all happening, ARE NOT WE asked to take responsibilty to key in on and experience the probability we can make Possible... It is impossible from my questioning and the answers that returned to FEEL AFRAID anything I see to be laid out Is a solid "reality"... Here is Bashar and another short bit including the particle experiment(Bashar is a channel for ETs but he is my favorite inspiration on parallel reality creation)...

I say, the will of others, whether it be from within humanity or outside of it, including other life or simply "natural cycles" - those who can (that which can) impose either, directly or indirectly to whatever degree, those who have ability, cause, desire and such - will do and succeed unless those being imposed on react in reality.

Those greater (then others), meaning in whatever way, may create the fate, where choice exists within. I say, to think each has control over anything/everything is for feel-good; satisfying only a need within themselves or the micro-collective they belong to.

How can it be so that mainstream science is relied on, which is part of the mainstream everything - which is known to be the cause of the "deceptions" (thus problems) of the world today - be relied on, unless, fictions are being discussed.

Responsibility of each and all is to make a real commitment, that may require sacrifice, test of determination, perseverance and such - using such skills as comprehension, critical thinking and such - how are fictions (a part of) these things!?

Fear is often viewed as a "bad" or "negative" - how delusional are those who reject fear, for not only is fear part of the human experience, as stated by some/many, it is an ally where strength can be found when understood. How can one have "growth" with other "emotions" and leave behind the ones they select/reject.

Those who have this belief system, that they manifest "things" or are able to control, then rely on the words of another defeating their own belief systems - that they themselves can do (most) all. Why is there a need to "channel" "those others" (Ets), when "they" (using the standard of this belief system) would simply be a manifestation of self - and/or one can simply "channel" themselves.


@ ALL

If I may remind that the topic of discussion is not about fictions, but rather the reality all share while asking all - why have "you" allowed things to be the way they are (which perhaps is answered by the fictions being discussed) and what are "you" going to do about how things are (perhaps, this too has been answered by the fictions being discussed). There are plenty of threads discussion fictions - the purpose of this one is not about fictions.

Back on topic please.

[Delight]

Ok, I will with great respect stop posting my reality which is your fiction.

In parting.....This is what I am "doing".
I am living as well as I may.

I voraciously consume information that makes me happy.
My joy of being on the board developing our local farmers market motivates me to go to meetings and invision how we may support local farmers and crafts people.
My innui about cleaning house challenges me.
The grass grows and I have to mow but I eat lots of great weeds.
I care for dogs,cats, chickens and enjoy their friendship.
Since I may choose my friends, I hang out with the enlivening ones.
When I want to eat I eat whatever I want and my body thrives.
And on and on according to what shows up.

I am a testament to myself that the world is beautiful.
Many regards, Maggie

[DeDukshyn]

Well, we know where the issue lies -- in the perception that what we see, hear, feel, and observe is the "real" reality - and the subtle creation which all physical steps down from as "fictions" (again, I'm citing advanced SCIENCE -- not fictions -- there is a difference)

When perception is wrong, everything below it is also likely wrong ...

I'll have to apolgize for using my knowledge of advanced sciences to say that the "reality" we experience with our sense is a step down illusion from the subtle creation. There is the atomic world and the subatomic world -- why are there people calling the subatomic world a "fiction?" - I don't understand this at all .... But I too will digress.


You may like the below, King Anthony, it explains a little how social conditioning is tough to fight, and the detailed processes involved in the human mind ...


WHAT IS --This is just what happens before ANY judgements or interpretation
↓
PERCEPTION --This is where what happened is interpreted via conditional response
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RATIONALIZATION --This is where thought comes in and compares the perception with historical or learned reasoning
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ALIGNMENT --This is where the thought polarizes with a particular feeling, result, outcome, or judgement based on the rationailzation
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JUSTIFICATION --This is where the alignment is justified to fulfill a sense of personal "rightness" about the previous thought processes
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ACTION --This is where an action or decision is taken based on the previous thought processes
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DEFENSE --This is where the alignment and justification process are used as a "defense" to defend the action - it matters not the appropriateness of the action or decision - when an ego goes through these thought processes it has already justified the action internally based solely on historical egoic actions - not likely based on integrity or honesty relating to the current situation.



You can't fix your defence because it naturally steps down (is a subset) based on action - if action is wrong than so is defense, no matter what or how hard you try to defend it.
You can't fix your action because it naturally steps down based on justification - if justification is wrong so will action be, no matter what or how hard you try.
You can't fix your justifications because it naturally steps down from your alignment - if your alignment is wrong so will justification be, no matter what or how hard you try.
You can't fix you alignment because it steps down from rationalization - if your rationale was wrong, everything below it can only be wrong - why try to fix something not fixable?
All the best rationale in the world is useless if it is based in incorrect or inappropriate perception - if rationalization is to have a chance, perception must be of the highest order it can be.

Since we cannot change "What Is" -- the only chance we have of changing the world is by correcting our perceptions. This happens before the first thought process - it is hidden from your view. One thinks that this is "themself" but this is actually merely their conditioned response, it occurs before you can even rationalize what has happened; did Pavlov's dog think before salivating after hearing the bell? No, it was programmed response; His mind was programmed to perceived food would be coming.

If we want to change our programming - no amount of defense, action, justification, alignment, or rationalization will ever achieve it. Only new conditioning or attaining the ability to rise above programmed response (with a consistent state of love and instant forgiveness) will work.

[xbusymom]

We are pure energy ... having a solid experience??

(I like that philosophy).

[king anthony]

We are pure energy ... having a solid experience?? (I like that philosophy).

Are you not flesh and blood - I say, if flesh and blood be more, for the "experience", then why not accept the challenge of the flesh and blood "experience" and actually do something to make things better - not just for self (in spirit and such) but for all. By the standard of these belief systems, their is failure - for doing nothing is of no value for the future or higher self.

[pilotsimone]

...do something to make things better

If we could please define what is meant by something, I think it would be extremely helpful to the conversation. Thanks!

[DeDukshyn]

We are pure energy ... having a solid experience?? (I like that philosophy).

Are you not flesh and blood - I say, if flesh and blood be more, for the "experience", then why not accept the challenge of the flesh and blood "experience" and actually do something to make things better - not just for self (in spirit and such) but for all. By the standard of these belief systems, their is failure - for doing nothing is of no value for the future or higher self.

This is a valid point.

I also think making a distinction between "doing nothing" and "working with the subtle realm" needs to be kept, as these are very much often confused. One must consider though that the way we have been trying to fight "TPTB" have not changed in thousands of years. To use an example of yours, "the definition of insanity".

When one understands the advanced sciences - at least in theory, one can much more easily understand the mechanics of manifestation, and the feedback loop of the chart I posted above -- it is a complete feedback loop of manifestation as "ACTION" is what drives this entire "physical" realm -- which because of the defense, naturally feeds back in to PERCEPTION (for continued maintenance of the defense) and creates the loop. This is the paradigm that needs shifting. The only way to do this is to shift perception and either break the loop or "shift" it to "love" based actions as opposed to "fear" based actions - can you imagine if people started making all decisions out of love as opposed to fear? Be noted, fear is a defense mechanism of the ego, and the ego was never intended to solely drive our decision making processes (the current "human" condition), thus fear in the current context is not optimal. It is a survival mechanism that is supposed to run in the background and does in those with correct mind. Attention is the power of manifestation.

I'm not requesting or arguing people shouldn't "act" - not at all. I am seeking that people understand their perceptions and the mechanics of manifestation before they "act" -- it can make the difference between continued "insanity" and success.

My 2 cents ;)

[Tane Mahuta]

GRRRRR I want to watch these videos so bad. I HATE THAT I HAVE DIAL UP!

Me too!! I have a usb stick/modem with a monthly allowance of 5gigs

High Speed Broadband Access should be a given right/free(imho)

TM

[king anthony]

If we could please define what is meant by something, I think it would be extremely helpful to the conversation. Thanks!

Nice to see you again!

The "something" is open to discussion followed by action - however, the ability to be "free" from what has been imposed on the populations is one action that can be (and needed) to create a better world.

For example, declaring one's sovereignty with earthly matters, meaning not being a part of corrupt governments systems, does not only allow freedom to live as human beings could, stop any plans made harming the populations - but also teaches human beings what is need in the bigger picture of existence.

This is not based on belief systems, but what is known as fact. It does not matter what people wish to believe in, until it affects survival of each person or the population. There is no benefit to simply discuss matters, makes plans (dreams/fictions) when no action is taken.

Too many people just talk and feel good about what they talk about - too many people wait for another life to do something, a saviour to rescue them, rely on personal empowerment based on thought - something that has never made true "change".

I do not wish to appear "negative" and such towards others - but nonsense needs to stop if humanity is to have a chance. Anyone who knows me, not just through text but knows me understands what I am saying - for example, I have been meeting PA members in person (today I met another) and they said I am "softer then how I come across" in posts and such.


This is a valid point... it is a complete feedback loop of manifestation as "ACTION" is what drives this entire "physical" realm...

I appreciate your reply and at the risk of "whatever" I wish to be clear - what you quoted was example only, meaning I was not implying human beings are something more then what they are and such. Regardless, it appears you understood that action need to be done - this requires commitment, sacrifice... and so on - and this opens doors to more.

[king anthony]

High Speed Broadband Access should be a given right/free

Yes it should and in the world that could be... should be, all would have access to the benefits of the collective/population/civilization - this is not an opinion but fact, it would only be an opinion in the civilization that is current based on what is believed - what is believed being (examples) that profit should come first and not all are entitled to (for whatever reason).

[seko]

This tune from Muse, fits well in here K.Anthony


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KQmps-Sog&ob=av2n

[DeDukshyn]

...


This is a valid point... it is a complete feedback loop of manifestation as "ACTION" is what drives this entire "physical" realm...

I appreciate your reply and at the risk of "whatever" I wish to be clear - what you quoted was example only, meaning I was not implying human beings are something more then what they are and such. Regardless, it appears you understood that action need to be done - this requires commitment, sacrifice... and so on - and this opens doors to more.

I'll try to add to this from a "physical" POV that incorporates the concept of what myself, Delight, and a few others have been trying to drive home. When Delight described what she is "doing" you (or anyone) may think -- "well that contributes nothing to solve the problem and seems selfish". But in reality, the act of people taking these routes does a couple things that really do contribute to better the overall situation: When people choose to buy local organic or grow / raise their own foods, become self sufficient, the money is not going into "their" systems anymore, but into smaller local systems. Big Agra / Big Pharma / Big energy are the streams of Finance for the "TPTB". When you live naturally, and in harmony with earth - you are no longer giving them your money they use to control you with. Everday, tiny decisions make the difference here; daily decisions that are affected by your mood and conditioning as I indicated in my psuedo chart above somewhere. The social conditionings that says "I need to have this smartphone, I need to eat this food, I need to buy this brand, I need to buy this car, I have this ailment and need this drug" can really only be broken by changing the perceptions of these "needs". Once that social conditioning chain is broken, it is easier to see other conditionings. So small personal choices really do have an effect - and it is something ALL of us CAN do without having to get caught up in the dispair of others -- this is not needed. It is our perceptions that need changing first -- the appropriate actions will always follow, although sometimes the actions don't always seem appropriate, the mechanics of the perception shift's affect on action dictates it always will be. Fearful actions are always ego driven - therefore by their conception, limited in view (perception) - results obtained in this way can only get as good as the view is, and "TPTB" have a better view.

I left out a whole chunk on manifesting and tried to relay more of the "physical" results, this was hard to do as the feedback loop of manifestation does not start with "action" but rather "action" is always a result; look how far down on the chart it exists. I'm looking for "prevention", not "band-aid" solutions that merely address the effect and not the cause. My 2 cents ;)

[Delight]

Too many people just talk and feel good about what they talk about - too many people wait for another life to do something, a saviour to rescue them, rely on personal empowerment based on thought - something that has never made true "change".

I do not wish to appear "negative" and such towards others - but nonsense needs to stop if humanity is to have a chance. Anyone who knows me, not just through text but knows me understands what I am saying - for example, I have been meeting PA members in person (today I met another) and they said I am "softer then how I come across" in posts and such.

Dear K.A.

How we come across in writing is one of the downsides to being on a forum.

You are coming across to me strongly sincere in your feelings for Sovereignty. I want to share something experienced that shapes my "strongly felt about".

I worked as an RN in illness care for 30 years. I went through phases. Though I almost immediately noted that I was being used by the system, I wanted to "support" people. I also became "used to" making a living. Then I began to feel "bad" about my role. Struggle insued and fear about "how otherwise to make a living" ensued. It grew worse and worse. Two years ago a new incident happened. We were forced to either take the flu shot, get a medical exemption or claim a religious exemption. Otherwise we would lose our job. I was angry as I wanted a "political" exemption. I lied and took a religious exemption but two months later I quit.

If I did not now look at my life as a creation beginning in the "subtle realms" where thought makes things, I would have much less security to leave "all that" behind. I would either be fearful and willing to "agree" to the system or "want to fight" the system or continue being torn back and forth.

For myself (and only for myself), the shift in attention to the subtle realms as the source which then trickles down into "the world" became my way to do something about participation in systems that I agree are antithetical to HUMAN life (versus inhuman life).

I apologize if this is off topic. I also want to thank Dedukshyn for his out line as it is valuable to me.

In the very last analysis I agree that What Is, Is. However, it is strangely in my experience showing up just as I believe. Strange world I am living in but I feel peace. Maggie

[king anthony]

I'll try to add to this from a "physical" POV that incorporates the concept of what myself...

As being a flesh and blood human being offers no other perspective or "point of view" - social conditioning has offered some/many feel-good, falsely empowering those who accept; adding human arrogance, feel-good is solidly entrenched into the mind. I wish you well.

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...You are coming across to me strongly sincere in your feelings...

I say, I have no feelings on the topic discussed - for the topic discussed and the words I share do not belong to me.

[Delight]

I'll try to add to this from a "physical" POV that incorporates the concept of what myself...

As being a flesh and blood human being offers no other perspective or "point of view" - social conditioning has offered some/many feel-good, falsely empowering those who accept; adding human arrogance, feel-good is solidly entrenched into the mind. I wish you well.

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...You are coming across to me strongly sincere in your feelings...

I say, I have no feelings on the topic discussed - for the topic discussed and the words I share do not belong to me.

If the words do not belong to you, to whom do they belong?
If you have no feelings, how can they be of value to you?
If all this is just an exercise in (I do not know what it is in exercise to without a POV and feeling?), it is mental masturbation.
And besides that, why should I accept anything that is undigested which happens when people just pass on words they have not enlivened.

I now leave your thread to you to jiggle.
And yes, I feel indignation. maggie

[king anthony]

If the words do not belong to you... I now leave your thread to you to jiggle...

I say, it is for some to understand and for some not to - some do understand and some do not; am I responsible for either!?

I have not stated or implied that I do not have feelings; my words were, that I have no feelings attached to the topic of discussion and the value is not to be gained by me but rather those who (make choice to) "listen" and "accept".

Social conditioning has it so, that everyone is made to believe that everything is a "point of view", there is no absolute, everything is a fiction (such as an opinion, theory and belief) - everyone has the penitential to, not only know this, but also understand this - not everyone has the ability to do so.

Note how the topic of discussion has not been, other then some defending their fictions. The original post presented facts; yet, what is popular is fiction as a solution. The challenge here being, attempting to give to those who do not wish to receive. In the words I share, in video or print, I have never told anyone what to say, think or do - I have offered aid with how to search facts properly, using proven research skills and offering, at times, enough information to say there is merit to search (further - when needed).

For this, subtle to direct attacks against the one delivering the message is; rather then investing the time and effort into solutions, commitment and success. Page after page of discussion has been - what could have been gained at this point if discussion was reality based - I ask rhetorically.

If this is what the people of this forum wish, to discuss feel-good, then this is what all shall have - I am not here to imposed and when not welcomed I shall simply leave with no ill feelings. Perhaps the people here can at least show bravery and say. In closing I ask, how will one know if/when one comes that has knowledge, understanding and is willing to share it - using the standards shown by some/many here!?

Be well on your journey - I wish you well.

[DeDukshyn]

"As being a flesh and blood human being offers no other perspective or "point of view" "

- this reasoning can only be sustained by the rejection of the notion that humans have a finer energy (spirit / soul/ etc) -- which is our connection to the subatomic, or subtle realm. I know I have one. ;)

[king anthony]

...I know I have one.

I say, then you have that what you want.


@ ALL

Why is it so, that this thread is continuously derailed - is this by chance or design I do ask.

[RAPBRASIL]

I believe the good news is that THEY are finished... They have enjoyed the power for so long, but that's over now. They're done for. They want us to continue believeing that they're in power; when in fact, they're running scared now. As last ditch efforts, they're throwing everything at us AND none of it's working. WE'RE the tsunami that's rolling over them NOW.

WE have ALLOWED them to think they were so powerful. WE"RE the ones who will put them in their places NOW...
So, they're dead meat and they know it....

Absolutely!
The wool cannot cover the sheep´s eyes any longer....
The veil is fragile over the rose bush and we must pick the thorns one by one with love and compassion so that our civilization can progress and irradicate negativity
once and for all. Awareness is speading and that is comforting. Together, with wisdom and love we can walk new paths where all is equal. Reality is ours to make.

Much love!

[king anthony]

...The wool cannot cover the sheep´s eyes any longer...

How has it not (again) I ask.

[king anthony]

This tune from Muse, fits well in here K.Anthony


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KQmps-Sog&ob=av2n

This???



"Paranoia is in bloom,
The PR transmissions will resume
They'll try to, push drugs that keep us all dumbed down
And hope that, we will never see the truth around
(so come on)
Another promise, another seed
Another, packaged lie to keep us trapped in greed
And all the, Green belts wrapped around our minds
And endless, red tape to keep the truth confined
(so come on)

They will not force us
They will stop degrading us
They will not control us
We will be victorious
so come on

Interchanging mind control
Come let the, revolution takes its toll
If you could, flick the switch and open your third eye
You'd see that
We should never be afraid to die
(so come on)
Rise up and take the power back
It's time the fat cats had a heart attack
You know that their time's coming to an end
We have to unify and watch our flag ascend

They will not force us
They will stop degrading us
They will not control us
We will be victorious

Hey .. hey ... hey .. hey! (repeat)

They will not force us
They will stop degrading us
They will not control us
We will be victorious

Hey .. hey ... hey .. hey! (repeat)"

How???

[DeDukshyn]

...I know I have one.

I say, then you have that what you want.


@ ALL

Why is it so, that this thread is continuously derailed - is this by chance or design I do ask.

You just did, to tell me your "fictions" (assumptions) about what you "perceived"(fictional) as my wants. I never "wanted" a soul, I never asked for one, and new science (for those who are learned and open enough to understand) can prove that I have one. It may not be a "soul" in a religious sense -- this is almost assured, but the frequency ranges of energy does not stop at the physical realm or flesh and blood -- this is assured.

That statement you issued to me above is just as absurd as your "eye to eye" one. At least I spent a couple posts trying to explain how there are different ways to support your cause. If you are willing only to steer this thread within the context of your limited view rather than expand on it and allow it grow into something more that perhaps more people will be able to relate to, to get good discussion on what actually CAN be done, then you are reaping exactly what you have sown. You constant rejection of everything that is not a part of your "database" is quite the hamper of forward momentum. Do you "channel?" Are you "AI?" The limitations of your view are not new to me, I have seen this before ...

I'll take the hint though and leave, I may check back another day and see if there has been progress towards solution, good luck! =)

I for one am not trying to derail this thread, but rather expand it to be more inclusive. Again, my apologies -- carry on as you were.

[king anthony]

...I for one am not trying to derail this thread, but rather expand it to be more inclusive. Again, my apologies -- carry on as you were.

Yet you continue - again.


@ ALL

Lord Christopher Moncton's presentation - from 1:29:00 minutes to end (even the minutes prior to this) he gives an important message; are there any comments to this?

[thunder24]

What the Lord said in the video is not surpriseing to me...the pirates were able to take over the reigns and now do not follow the rules and laws they put on us......to change this will take physical action of banding together and saying no more....and if i have a friend that is hungry with no money and no wildlife or veges around....i don't know how to put subatomic particles in his stomach to make him feel not hungry....Us common folk still have to western union or mail money to help a friend....but since we got magicians and wizards here IM ASKING THEM TO HELP ALL THE AVALON MEMBERS THAT NEED IT......thanks

peace

[king anthony]

I deleted this post.

[9eagle9]

People don't want help. Truly they don't.

They want someone else to manage them and that's what they have. The help they wanted--someone else managing their circumstances. They want to feel safe so ...we got George Bush, we got the the Patriot Act.

People give away themselves to the doctors, lawyers and churges and bs religions of the ptb daily. No one forces them to go there. Mind body and soul is given away. No one is forced but once you get into their system its a revolving door.

All of my life I used to hear people joke that they hated to see a doctor because they are fine and healthy walking into the doctor's office and then they sick or on the verge of death. A cold turns into a cancer in a heartbeat . How would that person know? The sheep can't , they can't check facts or find out for themselves because that would be managing themselves, taking responsiblity.

People need to listen to their intuition more.

The only people who can be helped are those who want change their condition. I could very well support everyone till my own well ran dry and they will find someone else. People like that can't give anything back to an integrated functioning system. But I'm feeding a parasitical situation the very sort of situation that predates on us all.

I'd rather support one person who was willing to manage themselves then feed six billion who weren't.

Stating that they are powers that were , ensures their continued rule.

Hating the powers that be doesn't do a whole lot of good either.

Stating that 'loving' the powers will help anything ensures their continued rule.

Waiting for the ptb to do anything under their own intiative does little good . It's like waiting for the manager at your office to step down so you can take his job. Peversely the more anxious one grows towards the managers dismissal the more the manager entrenches in there.

Waiting for others to manage their lives ensures that the powers that be will keep managing their lives.

Managing one's own existence and stop being responsible for those who want to be managed will get you out from under the powers that be and finding others who have the means to do so as well is about the best one can hope for.

Watching self proclaimed people craving spiritual power the same way the PTB make me know they aren't any less power hungry than the ptb, and no more qualified to steward the world than they are.

Having to work with the public in some fashion or another my whole life I find that people's stupidity comes from the very fact they want to be managed. Of course they resent it. I recently had a person show up to have riding lessons from me. In shorts and sandals. No I can't do that , that isn't safe. He wants to ride a horse all over and jump an eventing course and he can't ride. So I won't let him, to keep him safe. If not for the liablity of someone else, I'd like the arsehole go out and break his neck. So it becomes a great power struggle, he's furious that he's driven an hour and half to walk a horse around an arena. He wants a make up lesson, and insists I schedule it around his schedule that he isn't sure of to make sure the weather is good on that day.

he's asking all of that of me and I'm shrugging and saying, If you don't know your own schedule how do I schedule around it and I can't do anything about the weather.'

He fights this, its not fair, I'm in breech of contract, blah blah blah . I have manage him because he can't manage himself.

This is daily, I see it in my physical life, I see it on line, every hour of every minute of everyday. In managing myself I have to slam the door on those people because they are not dragging me down the avenues of their stupidity.

Situations like this I see in daily life, in spiritual and alternative paradigms--everyday people-- leads me to wonder sometimes if this whole powers that be situation is as sinister as some put it forth. Or is it a group of put upon people who HAVE to manage an entire planet because the inhabitants are so stupid they can't manage themselves nor are willing to. Someone else must always make sure one feels safe. You have to tip toe around managing their feelings. If you avoid them that's wrong, if you don't love them, that's wrong, and if you point out their marshmallows, that's wrong. They want to be managed but they resent it. Their stupidity should be allowed full expression.

And that is situaton that got out of control. Or is it a means of controlling stupid people.

"Oh no, its a crime against innocence"

Or a crime against stupidity? Naivety? Ignorance?

I have to wonder this sometimes. 360 degree view of the situation.

What happens when people are being so stupid that they endanger not only themselves but the lives of others because they can't manage themselves.

How did the powers that be get to the top of the heap? They managed themselves! They even manage their bloodline and breeding.

How did any successful person become that way. They managed themselves.

We get a situation, for better or worse, good or evil however one looks at it, that is like the one we are currently experiencing where's everyone's being managed. They can't manage themselves nor are willing to so I'm wondering what the hell other circumstance one can expect?

I haven't seen an abatement in stupidity policies, the more 'enlightened' people become the stupider they get, and they go into 'enlightenment policies' that only offer more managing. "Just wait' We'll send someone to manage the situation you."

Hello , they're already here.

So say our power structure topples. Who is going to organize society then. Certain people will have to resume managing others. And those managed will go right back being resentful of being managed but remain so stupid still because they haven't fixed anything where it really counts.

I could jump up and lead a nation. I'm fair, I meditatie well, I'm generous, I'm compassionate but in the same token within a years time I'd be viewed a tyrant. Because I'd insist people take responsiblity for managing themselves. In year's time I'd be as hated as the PTB , and viewed as hate monger because I insisted that should excercize that one component of true freedom. Managing one's self.

You CAN"T have freedom without it.





What the Lord said in the video is not surpriseing to me...the pirates were able to take over the reigns and now do not follow the rules and laws they put on us......to change this will take physical action of banding together and saying no more....and if i have a friend that is hungry with no money and no wildlife or veges around....i don't know how to put subatomic particles in his stomach to make him feel not hungry....Us common folk still have to western union or mail money to help a friend....but since we got magicians and wizards here IM ASKING THEM TO HELP ALL THE AVALON MEMBERS THAT NEED IT......thanks

peace

[king anthony]

People don't want help. Truly they don't...

I am sure you have noticed how people turn from that which is too hard, challenges their feel-good and such - turn their heads from others and not face reality. In forums, this is how threads fade away quickly - in reality, this is why there is suffering and civilization is the way it is today.

[jorr lundstrom]

I wrote this a while back


Have you met Guidion?

Talesien was a wellknown bard in the early Arthurian myth.

He had an uncle named Guideon.

Guideon was a wizard, his speciality was to turn humans into animals.

One full moon night Guideon was out in a forrest walking along a path.

Suddenly he heard someone whining a short distance from the path.

He went towards the sound.

He found a wolf-pit, and in the pit stood a boy looking to be about seven years.

Guidion watched him silently.

Mister could you help me up from his pit, the boy said.

Guideon watched the boy for a couple of seconds, turned around and went his way

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::


Guideon realized that the boy could get out of the pit if he
so wished. He didnt want to take care of the boy. And if the
boy didnt want to take care of himself, it was not Guideons
business, he didnt put the boy in the pit.

All is well


Jorr 2.0

[king anthony]

...Guideon realized that the boy could get out of the pit if he so wished. He didnt want to take care of the boy. And if the boy didnt want to take care of himself, it was not Guideons business, he didnt put the boy in the pit...

A wonderful story you have shared.

However, if I may - for one to be able to aid themselves they need to make the decision to do so - in order to make the decision, one needs to be informed, thus an informed decision can be made - this includes knowing options and not only having the potential to aid themselves but more importantly the ability - ability is "something" internal as well as "something" external - internal, for example, can be the 'will"; and external, for example, can be having resources.

Apply this to the story and the value of it is made known - apply this to the issues of this civilization and clarity is.

[jorr lundstrom]

King Anthony, you are a funny guy. So everything will have to be served
on a silver plate. You shouldnt have to figure anything out yourself.
The path should be swept for everyone. Sorry I disagree. LOL
But if you have a longing for informing everyone instead of letting
people grow in their own way, Im sure noone is gonna hinder you.

Good luck

All is well


Jorr 2.0

[king anthony]

King Anthony, you are a funny guy... Im sure noone is gonna hinder you.

I am sorry I hurt your feelings.

[jorr lundstrom]

King Anthony, you are a funny guy... Im sure noone is gonna hinder you.

I am sorry I hurt your feelings.

Sorry to say, you didnt hurt my feelings. You cant. Try something else.

All is well


Jorr 2.0

[king anthony]

Sorry to say, you didnt hurt my feelings. You cant. Try something else...


@ ALL

You know, I am getting f'n sick and tired of the b.s. here - is this un-cryptic enough for everyone. So many feelings get hurt by the slightest thing - so many egos bruised by a whisper - so many think they are something great yet are clueless.

I have tested you people by posting things stated by the ones you follow/look up to/speak of - those who have been promoted by others, and I get the same type of negativity as the words I share - yet, the ones you follow still praised.

I have shared firsthand knowledge of political corruptions, medical corruptions, global financial corruptions, firsthand "those others' and so on - not from following the words of another or reading it online - rather, from being there myself. For example, being on the inside of the global financial world - meeting with top people of health organizations (can any of you say you held in your hands no one should be dying of anything including cancer - NO, you do waste time discussing love and light about it - btw, yes I can say I have!!!).

What can any of you offer me - based on what I have seen so far - nothing, as I still search for some answers myself.

I have never told anyone what to say, think or do - I have aided by sharing with others how to research properly using proven research methods. At times I have offered enough information to others to say (further) search has merit. I have pointed out social conditioning and rather then look within and say, "he could be right" I am fluffed off.

Even when I added to someone's words in agreement they fight me on it. I have never seen so many socially conditioned zombies then in forums.

I had another post above, which I deleted because I felt it was harsh - well, this one is way harsher. If the mods feel I need a vacation for this post then just delete me permanently as I feel it is time to leave anyway - for you do not want me to came back and post further. In case anyone is "asking" this to themselves - why did I come back after leaving before - I cannot answer this, but I can tell you again why I did leave.

Hang on to your feel-good people for it is this that makes you special.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Who appointed Your Majesty to test us? That says more about you and your grandiose assumptions than it does about us.

[jorr lundstrom]

Thank you King Anthony. Load and clear.

All is well


Jorr 2.0

[king anthony]

Who appointed Your Majesty to test us? That says more about you and your grandiose assumptions than it does about us.

I took it upon myself after talking to a few PA members here about this - sorry if the test results bother you - but it does prove that the herd will follow the rest, once set in a direction and it matters not what direction that is.


Load and clear.

That is good to hear.

[Seikou-Kishi]

The test results? I said nothing about your test results but your premise. The premise being, if implication isn't good enough, that you are in some position of moral authority to judge the nature of others. That premise would have been just as presumptuous had you said "Oh, but don't worry I think you're all just great". Do not be so concerned with the specks in our eyes.

[king anthony]

The test results?...

Okay.


@ ALL

Like flies to s***, people are drawn in by drama - what about the OP people, the topic - "f that, that is too hard and boring", right!?


@ ALL

Here is my challenge to PA - just one person say I am not welcomed, for me to leave, I do not belong or something as such - and I will leave never to return - no hard feelings or anything. And do not b.s. me by saying, "but you are welcomed here". Just one person, or more, and I will respect this person(s) greatly, for they have what it takes to speak out and do something, unlike many of the fish here - and no one is to say a word to this person(s) about their words, lest it falls on them ten fold (this does not come from me).

[Seikou-Kishi]

Saying you are not welcome just because one (or more) of us might disagree with you is rather throwing the baby out with the bathwater, don't you think? If I absolutely couldn't bare to read your posts I would ignore them rather than want to make you feel unwelcome. It's no more my forum than it is yours, after all. But that is not the case anyway. Frankly, I do not know how you make such a post while at the same time railing against drama, unless your intention was to illustrate your point — you did that much better than explanation could.

[king anthony]

Saying you are not welcome...

Okay.


@ ALL

Anyone care to accept the challenge? I am waiting.

[jorr lundstrom]

Anthony, either you will have to make the mods ban you or you
will have to stay or leave without anyone else involved in your decision.
Noone will say youre not welcome here.
We who are here are all welcome, for now at least.
So calm down.


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/Babajimturban.jpg

All is well


Jorr 2.0

[king anthony]

Anthony, either you will have to make the mods ban you or you...

Okay.


@ ALL

Said calmly as I have been - I am still waiting, but not for much longer and no further clues will be given.

[davyj0nes]

well, here i wrote this very nice post and it disappeared. sooo... i will close internet explorer and open up firefox. brb.
--and back--
What i wanted to say was, what type of action would have the greatest impact. I think voting, and demonstrations of civil disobedience, buying local, would do that. I think declaring personal sovereignty would be an important personal decision, but as 9eagle9 pointed out, most like to have their affairs managed. I think Thunder24 was on to something with helping your neighbor out, as opposed to putting subatomic particles together. Oh and i also liked dedukshyn post#61 changing our own perceptions.
So, i guess now, i would like to know do any of these possible solutions have any merit, or is it just pissing into the wind????

[DeDukshyn]

"I have tested you people by posting things stated by the ones you follow/look up to/speak of - those who have been promoted by others, and I get the same type of negativity as the words I share - yet, the ones you follow still praised.
"

A flawed study always produces flawed results. It's not at all what you initially said ("posting things stated") that was rejected -- look at all the thanks on your initial post ... perception is rarely "correct", and one gets what one expects -- may this thread be a testament to that.

[DeDukshyn]

well, here i wrote this very nice post and it disappeared. sooo... i will close internet explorer and open up firefox. brb.
--and back--
What i wanted to say was, what type of action would have the greatest impact. I think voting, and demonstrations of civil disobedience, buying local, would do that. I think declaring personal sovereignty would be an important personal decision, but as 9eagle9 pointed out, most like to have their affairs managed. I think Thunder24 was on to something with helping your neighbor out, as opposed to putting subatomic particles together. Oh and i also liked dedukshyn post#61 changing our own perceptions.
So, i guess now, i would like to know do any of these possible solutions have any merit, or is it just pissing into the wind????

Shifting perception (via extending love and a helping hand unjudgingly toward your neighbour, loving and respecting the earth, and yourself etc, or having it shift via other means) changes consciousness which results in subatomic vibratory shifts. I feel you are on the right track with what can be done -- but apparantly, determining that was never the intention of this thread ...

[A.Steinberg]

I'm so glad that so many of us are waking up. Checkmate indeed, the only two moves left open to them is Resign or knock over the board.

"Free will is the force that constantly tugs upon our fate" A.Steinberg ©

[<8>]

Hi..

They are on a road to something they never can achieve, as long as "YOU" don't let your mind take you there.
Sure there are still many who buy into the world They promote on the news, but that doesn't matter, it's only one thing more they have to learn, that's all.

Free your mind and the rest will follow..


..8..

[king anthony]

A flawed study always produces flawed results.

Okay.


@ ALL

Still no one for the challenge - lol.

[davyj0nes]

well i guess i start posting pics then. *sigh*
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_f0bvyZMrZ9k/SozSubE8FpI/AAAAAAAACR4/1f8NrfUXp8w/s1600/illuminati%2Bworld%2Bmap.jpg

[davyj0nes]

oh here's a nice one.
http://m2.paperblog.com/i/83/833265/doda-e-vintage-pubblicizzare-lagenda-degli-il-L-GjQx2W.jpeg

[davyj0nes]

i think this one looks cool. very Egyptian-like
http://b.vimeocdn.com/ts/150/172/150172706_640.jpg

[davyj0nes]

K, one more and that's it.
http://www.itsaboutthattime.net/ufochurch.jpg

[king anthony]

Here is my challenge to PA - just one person say I am not welcomed, for me to leave, I do not belong or something as such - and I will leave never to return - no hard feelings or anything. And do not b.s. me by saying, "but you are welcomed here". Just one person, or more, and I will respect this person(s) greatly, for they have what it takes to speak out and do something, unlike many of the fish here - and no one is to say a word to this person(s) about their words, lest it falls on them ten fold (this does not come from me).

So no one could step up and take the challenge - perhaps reading comprehension skills ar... oh, potential versus ability.

Okay, then I be the one to say, "I am not welcomed here", "I DO NOT BELONG" and such - for at this time I am a PA member. All the best to you all.

Do you understand now... what the challenge was/is and what just happened - I am betting not and the following posts should support this. Bye bye all.

:)

[PathWalker]

They are playing their role. And are a reflection of us.
We are letting them abuse us, and we abusing other, it is a cycle.
We are as victims as we are abusers.

[davyj0nes]

Here is my challenge to PA - just one person say I am not welcomed, for me to leave, I do not belong or something as such - and I will leave never to return - no hard feelings or anything. And do not b.s. me by saying, "but you are welcomed here". Just one person, or more, and I will respect this person(s) greatly, for they have what it takes to speak out and do something, unlike many of the fish here - and no one is to say a word to this person(s) about their words, lest it falls on them ten fold (this does not come from me).

So no one could step up and take the challenge - perhaps reading comprehension skills ar... oh, potential versus ability.

Okay, then I be the one to say, "I am not welcomed here", "I DO NOT BELONG" and such - for at this time I am a PA member. All the best to you all.

Do you understand now... what the challenge was/is and what just happened - I am betting not and the following posts should support this. Bye bye all.

:)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npfwj6sklvA
ah, ah, ah, you can't do that. you cheated

[OnyxKnight]

None of these things that they do, can or will take away that which has value to me. When you cease to fear, the fear of their control ceases to control you.

These things are all still parts of "their" systems. The solutions cannot be easily found within "their" systems. A new paradigm is required, and it is one I am helping to build ;-)
However, for those who desire to "correct" their systems, much work will be needed. My 2 cents. ;)

Your new paradigm, will still be concocted on 'their' territory. Don't get semantic with these things. What they said is correct, changing the way you view things or feel about them (not being afraid) still wont clean your air, clean your water, make your food better, or magically make 'them' to start to care about you enough to stop these things.

[DeDukshyn]

None of these things that they do, can or will take away that which has value to me. When you cease to fear, the fear of their control ceases to control you.

These things are all still parts of "their" systems. The solutions cannot be easily found within "their" systems. A new paradigm is required, and it is one I am helping to build ;-)
However, for those who desire to "correct" their systems, much work will be needed. My 2 cents. ;)

Your new paradigm, will still be concocted on 'their' territory. Don't get semantic with these things. What they said is correct, changing the way you view things or feel about them (not being afraid) still wont clean your air, clean your water, make your food better, or magically make 'them' to start to care about you enough to stop these things.

Then you don't understand the new paradigm ;) It extends from a territory which is not theirs - in fact they fear it. It goes much larger than their "physical" world.

Their actions are driven by our fear ... Surely you know this. When this level of the paradigm is broken, all else follows, as paradigms are built on layers, break the bottom and the whole thing breaks.

Basically, everyone on this thread is saying there's nothing that can be done, I am saying most don't understand how it will be done -- that doesn't mean it can't be. the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. ;)

[OnyxKnight]

Then you don't understand the new paradigm ;) It extends from a territory which is not theirs - in fact they fear it. It goes much larger than their "physical" world.

Their actions are driven by our fear ... Surely you know this. When this level of the paradigm is broken, all else follows, as paradigms are built on layers, break the bottom and the whole thing breaks.

Basically, everyone on this thread is saying there's nothing that can be done, I am saying most don't understand how it will be done -- that doesn't mean it can't be. the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. ;)

Well, your new paradigm is not going to solve the problems really. Codex Alimentarius just entered stage 2 of its 1st phase. More and more countries consider adopting its "standards" and regulations, meaning more and more countries will fall under its power. This is the 'food' part of the equation.

Just the other day a friend came earlier from a trip to Serbia, because they were spraying the sky again. Been seeing similar reports from the region too.

The water companies are not going to refuse to give you bottled water and grab the natural sources of it as private property or use less fluoride when they do it.

Don't get me started on the latest of the genetic engineering horrors, regarding every aspect of your life.





I'm not exactly sure what makes you all (those that did make such comments) think that everything has been won back, that they have lost the 'war', and there is a golden age ahead waiting just for you to enjoy it. I dunno if its something else they have started putting into your water, or maybe they have gotten better at playing with your minds than they were before.



Regardless of how you feel mentally about this, nothing has been changed. Change is not change if its solely a state of mind. I can go on the same route myself, but its only going to make me feel less sad, angry and disgusted with the reality that I live in. I prefer to experience reality raw. No sugar-coating. Which is what many (including some of the things you too have said on this thread) - are doing.



Love and Light is not going to save you. Some serious brainstorming and teamwork might.



And to your comment - no, I didn't say nothing can be done. In fact I have been trumpeting the exact opposite for the past couple of years with barely a few listening. Practically pointing out the things Anthony pointed out in this thread.


What I did say is, considering the state of mind of many people here - and if that stays in the times ahead - yes, then we're screwed.



This is the exact ****ing reason I stopped posting here in the first place. I just gave up. I got tired of reading bull**** served on the platter by somebody claiming who & who were "the real deal" over, and over, and over again. And people blindly buying into it. With nothing of merit. The "herd" syndrome hasn't left the majority of this so called community's psyche. They still do it. Instead of politicians, they have conspiracy and new age icons to worship.

[OnyxKnight]

If you all think I'm exaggerating about the last comments from my above post, yall haven't taken a hard enough look at this "alternative" community. Just look at the promo campaigns, the launch of merchandises, books, exhibits, and lately I have been forced to rethink the whole "presentation" aspect of this modus communike of ours as freaking "performances". It would suit the following, as many seem to hop on their PC, login to their favorite website/blog/forum, only to get literally entertained with the different stuff being brought by different crap artists.



- "Hey, what do you think of Justin Bieber? He's young, but very promising artist".

- "Oh, well, I don't know. Haven't heard his music really. I'm more of a Katy Perry person myself".


Rephrasing:


-"Hmmm, so what do you think of the work of Richard C. Hoagland"?

-"He's a douche. I prefer Dan Burisch myself. That whole T1 & T2 thing really nails everything to the point for me dude".




^ ^ ^^ These are the types of interactions I'm starting to see more and more often, the more I try to research a certain matter, or what other "prominent" members of this community think of that same matter. From explanations, discussions and debates regarding these individuals, down to literally comments like those above. It makes me sick to my stomach. We have turned this alternative thing into a replica of everything else we do in our lives. Stuck in a ****ing circle.



There are people literally building off-grid villages as we speak, they meet, get to know each other, set plans for relocation, they move, they start to live a life, away from watchful eyes. People who grow their own food, even clean their air and water via gadgets. People who protest, people who invent, people who build, etc. A very tiny, fraction, of this global community's populous.




And then, there are the majority of yall, who gossip conspiracy researchers, and read any news they give like the daily astrological reading on the back of your freaking newspaper!




Whats worse, you don't even have the brains to decipher or filter bull**** material (which shouldn't be hard, its almost 80% of what you are fed daily!). And its also why you still treat with high energy, topics that have been beaten to death to the last drop of blood, if they were a living breathing being! Stuck on the 2012 thing because you haven't read Maian mythology, stuck on Nibiru, because you didn't bother reading astronomy to tell the difference between a brown dwarf and a red dwarf, or even something basic like say - gravity! Stuck on timeline 1 and timeline 2, because you have no knowledge of temporal flux and quantum mechanics. Stuck on 'Ascension' because none of you really know how to read between the lines and take things literally. Should I go on?




Yes, 'They' win, and will continue to do so as long as this mentality continues to occupy your brainwork. A lot of people started cheering and celebrating when those bankers were exposed, or with these mass arrests. It didn't cross your minds that this is something called pawn sacrifice. Scapegoating. HINT: the real ****ing culprits at the end of the puppet strings are not even on this planet! Try catching them with lousy handcuffs!




Don't you dare comment if I'm wrong or even right about this in consecutive posts. I might have just read your fan-comment on some of the guru-devoted pages of worship. Or saw your views in neighboring topics. The "You're wrong" or "You're right" post won't help with this. Applying what you read here to maybe change your daily functions and how you view this community and every aspect of it might help. Help you that is.




And don't tell me to calm down. I won't ****ing calm down. I'm angry, and I have every reason to be so.

[thunder24]

Finally someone else with the balls to call it like he sees it....thanku onyx....ur twoposts, by me, are very respected....thank u

peace

[DeDukshyn]

Your new paradigm, will still be concocted on 'their' territory. Don't get semantic with these things. What they said is correct, changing the way you view things or feel about them (not being afraid) still wont clean your air, clean your water, make your food better, or magically make 'them' to start to care about you enough to stop these things.



Then you don't understand the new paradigm ;) ...



Well, your new paradigm is not going to solve the problems really ...

This is part of the issue with this whole thread and many like it here, sorry to see you get caught up in too. Without getting too far off topic, I just want to say that I never told anyone about this new paradigm, how it works, and how it gets implemented. No one ever even asked -- not once. No one here in Avalon that I have witnessed yet understands it fully (except maybe a few ...) - Yet you seem to think you know it inside out and are an expert on it. Just as Anthony did, yet you two know nothing of it, nor have heard of it in its completeness, as I certainly was not "taught" it by some religion or new age group ... lol! I don't play nice with NLP games (trying to anchor a premise that does not even exist). It appears at best, "being right" rather than, "let's explore solutions" is the name of the game in this entire thread from its conception. Again, sorry you got caught up (or by design? ;))

So, just due to these little games being played here, there's almost no point in continuing unless I point them out post by post so people can see things more clearly ...


So this is still valid ...



Well, your new paradigm is not going to solve the problems really ...


Then you don't understand the new paradigm ;) ...



Now we can get back to topic ....



... Codex Alimentarius just entered stage 2 of its 1st phase. More and more countries consider adopting its "standards" and regulations, meaning more and more countries will fall under its power. This is the 'food' part of the equation.

I am very aware of codex alimentaruis as I work in an industry of natural health products. It is part of the blueprint of corporate earth - all consumables will be either food or drug - nothing in-between. Vitamin C will have to mfg'd by big Pharma, and you'll need a prescription. Getting caught with ginger might land you in jail next to the heroin dealer. Food is only to be produced by big Agra - and only GMO seeds fertilized with big Chemical fertilizers will germinate, etc, etc. I know the plan well. Been watching it for about 8 years.

Guess what? The country I live in rejected codex alimentarius flatly years ago and as a counter measure has about 7 years already invested in the NHPD - the Natural Health Products Directorate which works together with the CHFA watchgroup. Organic and non-GMO farming is thriving (despite its difficulties) well.

Shove that up your fear porn ;) Sorry if your country sucks - maybe you should move .. oh wait, don't you live in Canada? ;) (Just being a smart-ass ;))

I'm not sure what is going to happen in the USA on this front - last I heard is that they were looking at the Canadian model, but since everything is so messed there in politics it's likely not high on anyone's list (likely by design).



...
The water companies are not going to refuse to give you bottled water and grab the natural sources of it as private property or use less fluoride when they do it. ...
I have access to property with fresh spring water - not an issue for me. But I will say that one year ago the decision in my current city (Calgary) to pull fluoride out of the water supply was certainly a long time coming, and a very welcome decision. They pulled the fluoride out after ~50 years



...
Regardless of how you feel mentally about this, nothing has been changed. Change is not change if its solely a state of mind.

Two points on this one .. first, I just presented proof of change with my last two comments ... so ..?

Second, What is this which "happens" in this world that is not a result of "mind" in your context? Nothing - everything in humanity's creation first originated as a thought, then a word, an emotional response, then an action, a plan, then a creation - there is nothing in our man made world that was not born from the mind. Therefore, all change must FIRST happen in the mind. It is law.

Now that said, who's minds make the decisions? Theirs, but who's mind is broken that allows them to make decisions for us even via conditioning? The masses / ours is. Who's daily decisions drive their economies, their source of power, fear, etc? Ours is. It is us who buys their fear, their drugs, their GMOs, and their chemicals and energy. Therefore the power is ours, IF we fix our minds and make the corrective actions - when push comes to shove only making these decisions for ourselves will help -- trying to save "others" while we ourselves cannot survive is defeatist. Since you cannot force people to change their minds because the fear of the opposite is so strong ... see where I am going with this? It's really quite simple and logical.

IF you can somehow convince people to not buy pharma drugs for everyday ailments that they are shoved down our throats for, then you have solved one person's, one problem. If you can convince a mind to not choose from fear of illness (which drives Big Pharma -- obviously - we all know this), then you have solved this issue and a thousand more for their entire life, as most other issues are also caused from choosing out of fear. This is how the masses are controlled, no? Yes.

If **** does hit the fan, I have access to things that will ensure my survival and ways to ensure my personal freedom without conflict. I know that most cannot say this, and for that I truly sorry, but it has been my decisions from my frame of mind under my new paradigm that has led me to all the right people, places and contacts that have allowed this. If one has never experienced such things then it is easy to see how there is denial in what one cannot perceive -- I do not judge that at all but I merely want to let people know there's more than what they perceive with their senses .. so much more, and leave it at that.

Perhaps if you lived my life you would see it as I do, and I am sure that if I lived yours I would see it as you do .. let's all consider this fact for a moment.

Perception is key to creating actions that will really work. Effort has to be coordinated with the fullest perspective, and I never once indicated that we should do nothing, ("what really? you didn't? I coulda swore .. "<more NLP>)



...
"Love and Light" is not going to save you
Did I ever say that's how it works?! LOL! EVER!!?? What, you think I am some sort of light worker??! bwahahah!! that is funny ... (I am a servant of humanity and my style of work is not limited). Because your comments at this point have gotten so far off of anything to do with me, I will consider that this and entire rest of your two post rant had nothing to do with my response .. as it clearly does not.

My tirade finally over, I do not make light of your frustrations, or seek to diminish peoples efforts to do more -- in fact the opposite. I just want them to know they have more tools than they think ... that is all I ever indicated if you go back and read through all my posts here; I also think that there are many here who also were the target of the anti-spiritual attacks, were merely trying to do the same, shame so much attacks on each other and at the same time we hope to have a chance against "Them" -- not in this mindset! ;)

Funny how false assumptions about certain concepts or people can be planted into many people's minds that they take at face value and don't even know it happened ... this process is well known -- obviously ;)


I'll say it again ...

Their actions of control are driven by our fear -- figure it out.

[DeDukshyn]

Here's some news ... maybe good, not sure ...

Human Genome Sciences Rejects $2.6 B Hostile Bid From GSK

Human Genome has asked for more information from GSK about progress with the experimental drugs the two companies have worked on together.

HERE: http://www.pmpnews.com/news/human-genome-sciences-rejects-26bn-bid-glaxosmithkline

"GlaxoSmithKline has swooped on its long-term partner Human Genome Sciences with a $2.6bn (£1.6bn) hostile offer, which was immediately rejected.

Human Genome said the bid, worth $13 a share, did not reflect the inherent value of the company, and has hired Goldman Sachs and Credit Suisse to spearhead its defence. They have been tasked with exploring strategic alternatives including a sale of the company. GSK has been invited to participate in the process.

Shares in Human Genome closed at $7.17 on Wednesday, which means GSK's offer represents an 81% premium. In a sign that investors believe the company will be sold for more, the shares more than doubled to $15.01 in pre-market trading on Nasdaq. ... ... ... <more at link>

[DeDukshyn]

Here is my challenge to PA - just one person say I am not welcomed, for me to leave, I do not belong or something as such - and I will leave never to return - no hard feelings or anything. And do not b.s. me by saying, "but you are welcomed here". Just one person, or more, and I will respect this person(s) greatly, for they have what it takes to speak out and do something, unlike many of the fish here - and no one is to say a word to this person(s) about their words, lest it falls on them ten fold (this does not come from me).

So no one could step up and take the challenge - perhaps reading comprehension skills ar... oh, potential versus ability.

Okay, then I be the one to say, "I am not welcomed here", "I DO NOT BELONG" and such - for at this time I am a PA member. All the best to you all.

Do you understand now... what the challenge was/is and what just happened - I am betting not and the following posts should support this. Bye bye all.

:)


"what the challenge was/is and what just happened - I am betting not and the following posts should support this"

The challenge ... to tell King Anthony he is not welcome. Yet, it is not our forum to make such blatantly disrespectful cries -- even if they are asked for -- congratulations Avalon -- you DID pass the test ;) This means that you are not so arrogant to be a guest at someone's house to ask another guest that is not yours to leave. Well done!

[DeDukshyn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEV5AFFcZ-s&feature=related

THRIVE: What on earth will it take ... ?

[Delight]

Without getting too far off topic, I just want to say that I never told anyone about this new paradigm, how it works, and how it gets implemented. No one ever even asked -- not once. No one here in Avalon that I have witnessed yet understands it fully (except maybe a few ...) - Yet you seem to think you know it inside out and are an expert on it. Just as Anthony did, yet you two know nothing of it, nor have heard of it in its completeness, as I certainly was not "taught" it by some religion or new age group ... lol! I don't play nice with NLP games (trying to anchor a premise that does not even exist).

I'd like to hear what you have to say. Maybe you could start a thread? It seems to me that you do understand something useful and that YES, is not from religion or a new age. Thanks, Maggie

[DeDukshyn]

Without getting too far off topic, I just want to say that I never told anyone about this new paradigm, how it works, and how it gets implemented. No one ever even asked -- not once. No one here in Avalon that I have witnessed yet understands it fully (except maybe a few ...) - Yet you seem to think you know it inside out and are an expert on it. Just as Anthony did, yet you two know nothing of it, nor have heard of it in its completeness, as I certainly was not "taught" it by some religion or new age group ... lol! I don't play nice with NLP games (trying to anchor a premise that does not even exist).

I'd like to hear what you have to say. Maybe you could start a thread? It seems to me that you do understand something useful and that YES, is not from religion or a new age. Thanks, Maggie

This thread makes me really want to do just that, the issue I have is that to get everyone up to speed to a point where the understanding can begin is likely beyond my ability, and without being at that point of understanding the plethora of things required, then it becomes just another act of faith. I have no intentions of starting a religion ;-) But I do feel a bit guilty for not presenting it in more completeness here -- it was my intention when I joined -- I'm still trying to figure out how to best do that ... for example ... how many people here understand chaos theory? It is an integral part of this understanding, yet it takes a book just to get up to speed to its implications ... I'm being pessimistic and annoying myself now ... Thanks for the support Delight ... you've spurred futher contemplation ... which is good ;)

[Delight]

Without getting too far off topic, I just want to say that I never told anyone about this new paradigm, how it works, and how it gets implemented. No one ever even asked -- not once. No one here in Avalon that I have witnessed yet understands it fully (except maybe a few ...) - Yet you seem to think you know it inside out and are an expert on it. Just as Anthony did, yet you two know nothing of it, nor have heard of it in its completeness, as I certainly was not "taught" it by some religion or new age group ... lol! I don't play nice with NLP games (trying to anchor a premise that does not even exist).

I'd like to hear what you have to say. Maybe you could start a thread? It seems to me that you do understand something useful and that YES, is not from religion or a new age. Thanks, Maggie

This thread makes me really want to do just that, the issue I have is that to get everyone up to speed to a point where the understanding can begin is likely beyond my ability, and without being at that point of understanding the plethora of things required, then it becomes just another act of faith. I have no intentions of starting a religion ;-) But I do feel a bit guilty for not presenting it in more completeness here -- it was my intention when I joined -- I'm still trying to figure out how to best do that ... for example ... how many people here understand chaos theory? It is an integral part of this understanding, yet it takes a book just to get up to speed to its implications ... I'm being pessimistic and annoying myself now ... Thanks for the support Delight ... you've spurred futher contemplation ... which is good ;)

Yes, I am very sure that if you make a couple of suggestions on where to start, maybe those like me who are interested may go there. Then we can appreciate what you have to say more readily. I am not sure what I really know about chaos theory except that I think it has to do with: what I may perceive as chaos is naturally creating condtions towards order. But I am going to investigate.

[OnyxKnight]

I'm not even gonna reply to that crap.

I'm talking about things in general, and all I read is "I", "I", "I" .... You missed the entire point of my post, and made it all about you. I'm not surprised. That's how this mentality works nowadays.

[DeDukshyn]

All I was doing was pointing out how in the world around me - is not hopelessly lost - and backed it up with a few examples. Things are getting better in many ways. Look at some stats, crime is at a worldwide all time low, death via war is at an all time low. But guess what? The media brainwashes people to believe the opposite and react in fear.

"Their actions are driven by our fear" --- do you deny this?

Well this thread is destroyed, but the original intention was just some game of Anthony's anyway and not really about titled topic as indicated by Anthony himself. Another thing that is clear is this not a thread to discuss solutions or anything but tragedy. I tried, others tried, but only response like "why aren't you focusing on the tragedy!?" by the addicted to their emotions.

I tried to present how making small non-fear driven lifestyle choices can help starve them of their funds and free us of their control of us by our fears, real solutions and I was attacked for it. What did you present? What is this threads purpose???
You responded to one of my posts explaining to me that the world is almost done for because of X and Y. I gave examples as to how your view of X and Y are not complete and do not apply in my part of the world (I bet you weren't expecting me to know about that ****).
I posted a video that lays out the actions of "Them ... ", names them, indicates how they work and how to stop supporting them .. ignored. What is the purpose of this thread then??? can anyone tell me?? Oh wait, another NLP testing ground for a select few to test their skills of
"herding" ... well done.

I can see why your final response was the way it was ... I'm not playing the "game" and I'm pissing everyone off ... lol

Sure there's a few people who are like deer in some headlights, but why spend so much effort on focusing on them and letting them run your emotions. Can't you control them? (social conditioning is predicted action based on emotion). Do you think there's not these people on both sides of your imaginary fence? Continue your bashing of others and let's all just wait and see how much that actually helps solve your perceived issues. I've learned that judging and damning others, and complaining hopelessly is what is executed by those who are conditioned (and our reactions to fear are predicted and calculated and used). .. maybe you are right - we are doomed.

Bwahahahah!!!

Lighten up .... ;)

[OnyxKnight]

This is part of the issue with this whole thread and many like it here, sorry to see you get caught up in too. Without getting too far off topic, I just want to say that I never told anyone about this new paradigm, how it works, and how it gets implemented. No one ever even asked -- not once.



Did you ask, what I meant when I said that you will be orchestrating your paradigm, on their turf? No you didn't. Why show the courtesy then?

This goes deeper than physical and mental/psychological control, but the thread is not about that for me to debate it - even less with you.

If you didn't understand what I meant by what I said, means that you don't understand the scope to which they control things. You can't just kill fear, kill ego, cook up a hypothetical list of solutions, and somehow make them be without resistance, backlash, side effects, and heavy sabotage in any shape and form. This is what most are missing on. That just because the solution sounds perfect, that it will just meet a few bumps on the road to realization, and that that would be it.

And it seems to me that you are somehow portraying that kind of mental construct.

If you have possible solutions you think would make things work in our general favor (no exceptions, otherwise we end up with a quasi-democratic state again), then be open about it and present them. Of course, not here, where anybody can read them, but offline, or through some "less detectable" means. I'm sure you can think of something (you did found the perfect paradigm for us, right? A perfect way to communicate it to the world other than publicly available media outlets should be a piece of cake for you).

Once we have that under a good analysis and calculation (we being everybody privy to that info/idea), we can see if and what parts are actually workable models that indeed may happen realistically, if one was to push this seriously enough to try and give it all to get it born to fruition.



No one here in Avalon that I have witnessed yet understands it fully (except maybe a few ...)



Understand what fully? Your type of thinking? Your type of treating problematics? Your way of viewing the world?

Is this paraphrasing that you only see a few like-minded individuals here?


You and I don't have to be like minded to hold a common ground on possible solutions and the means to get them done. So I'm hoping you don't confuse people who understand your concepts with people who are like-minded with you. There's a notable difference.



- Yet you seem to think you know it inside out and are an expert on it.



I'm not gonna pretend I don't have better deciphering skills and better red flag sense than the majority of the Avalon community, because I do. My track record of warnings is a good enough witness to that.

That was my whole point in the second post. It had nothing to do with your new paradigm idea.



Just as Anthony did, yet you two know nothing of it, nor have heard of it in its completeness, as I certainly was not "taught" it by some religion or new age group ... lol! I don't play nice with NLP games (trying to anchor a premise that does not even exist). It appears at best, "being right" rather than, "let's explore solutions" is the name of the game in this entire thread from its conception. Again, sorry you got caught up (or by design? ;))



So what I was talking about you are boiling it down to a game?

So what am I angry about? Bad meenie little kids wont share them toys with me? Bhaaaaaaaa aa aa aa :Cry::violin:



Its not about me being right, it was about pointing out some obvious flaws in people's understanding and behavior when treating alternative topics in general, and what are the consequences now, and what would be the future consequences.

I think you are getting too caught up in that comment I made about your paradigm thing. I was clearly referring to the whole community, except for the obvious parts when I didn't (they were few).




So, just due to these little games being played here, there's almost no point in continuing unless I point them out post by post so people can see things more clearly ...


So this is still valid ...


As valid, solid and durable, as money.





Now we can get back to topic ....


I am very aware of codex alimentaruis as I work in an industry of natural health products. It is part of the blueprint of corporate earth - all consumables will be either food or drug - nothing in-between. Vitamin C will have to mfg'd by big Pharma, and you'll need a prescription. Getting caught with ginger might land you in jail next to the heroin dealer. Food is only to be produced by big Agra - and only GMO seeds fertilized with big Chemical fertilizers will germinate, etc, etc. I know the plan well. Been watching it for about 8 years.




What you just listed is the first phase resume of steps in store for us. CA has 7 phases in total. Do your homework better next time. At that point, there would be no distinction between Big Agra, Big Pharma, Big Biotech etc. all of them.




Guess what? The country I live in rejected codex alimentarius flatly years ago and as a counter measure has about 7 years already invested in the NHPD - the Natural Health Products Directorate which works together with the CHFA watchgroup. Organic and non-GMO farming is thriving (despite its difficulties) well.



Good for you. Again, I was talking in global frames. Not you, or your country specifically. I'm not sure how many times I need to point this out.




Shove that up your fear porn ;) Sorry if your country sucks - maybe you should move .. oh wait, don't you live in Canada? ;) (Just being a smart-ass ;))




First of all - using idiotic terminology concocted by no other than David Wilcock himself just shows if not the level of intelligence you have, then the level of maturity you have. Considering your age, it should come to a surprise. But I'm not surprised actually - especially when I think of my mentality comment. Now it makes perfect sense.

Second - "fear porn", was not what I was doing, nor King Anthony, in this thread. I even bothered to check the definition for it made by DW. Warning people not to get comfty just yet and celebrate, is hardly inducing deliberate dose of fear meant to mess with their heads. If things are not over, why say its over? Why even call it fear mongering? I think too many of you are abusing that term, and by now it has been abused to death. Find another tactic, or at least, be creative like Mr. Wilcock himself, and go ahead, invent a term with a similar/identical/unique meaning. I'm sure you can manage.

Third - Your comments on my country and Codex Alimentarius are downright imbecile. You didn't bother asking me where I am from, nor did you bother checking yourself where I am from (for ****'s sake, there's even a banner next to my nickname!) but just automatically assumed I am from a country that is heavily controlled and subjugated by the big corps, especially CA and the GM factories. No, I'm not from Canada, and yes, I do plan to move, and that has nothing to do with the circumstances you mentioned, which, for your information, gave the boot to both the WTO and Codex Alimentarius, and several GM corps. Our country cherishes naturally grown food and vegetables, farming and crop-raising. I don't see that changing in near future.




I'm not sure what is going to happen in the USA on this front - last I heard is that they were looking at the Canadian model, but since everything is so messed there in politics it's likely not high on anyone's list (likely by design).



Congrats to your country, but from what I have read this year about it, several of the countries in question, are adoptees from the USA. Also, the seat of Codex Alimentarius is in the USA as well. I don't think they would give up that easily on you.





I have access to property with fresh spring water - not an issue for me. But I will say that one year ago the decision in my current city (Calgary) to pull fluoride out of the water supply was certainly a long time coming, and a very welcome decision. They pulled the fluoride out after ~50 years



Look, good thing for you - I was talking about in general (as if it wasn't obvious, even to a school-grader). Individual success does not = global success. So tone down individual or local successes, and lets focus on regional, continental and global successes, and how to achieve them, more, shall we?





Two points on this one .. first, I just presented proof of change with my last two comments ... so ..?



Proof of change locally. I can brag about individual success stories and local success stories, but I did not. I want focus on global things.




Second, What is this which "happens" in this world that is not a result of "mind" in your context? Nothing - everything in humanity's creation first originated as a thought, then a word, an emotional response, then an action, a plan, then a creation - there is nothing in our man made world that was not born from the mind. Therefore, all change must FIRST happen in the mind. It is law.



True, but for most it stops there. "I changed how I view the world, and now I'm waiting for that change to manifest itself without me breaking even a drop of sweat in doing it."

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. You (speaking generally) need to get off your ass, break a sweat, and maybe even a little blood, to make certain things happen.



Now that said, who's minds make the decisions? Theirs, but who's mind is broken that allows them to make decisions for us even via conditioning? The masses / ours is. Who's daily decisions drive their economies, their source of power, fear, etc? Ours is. It is us who buys their fear, their drugs, their GMOs, and their chemicals and energy. Therefore the power is ours, IF we fix our minds and make the corrective actions - when push comes to shove only making these decisions for ourselves will help -- trying to save "others" while we ourselves cannot survive is defeatist. Since you cannot force people to change their minds because the fear of the opposite is so strong ... see where I am going with this? It's really quite simple and logical.



Yes logical, to a point. Yes, mass raising of conscience on specific issues. So, you think they would give up just because you are less complacent? That's going to crack the pawn lines. I told you before, I will tell you again, the real control is not organs of the system, but the 'overmind' of it. The real string pullers do not care for the monetary system, damaged economy, social anxiety and unrest, and resistance. They have other cards to play. Yes, good for you to know what one of those cards is. How about the rest of them? And how efficient is that when the card is already on the table, and not in the hand? In other words, what good does it do when you know what to act in opposite manner to a system in place, when you don't know the plans who are not out on the open, on which we mostly can just speculate?

The whole point in this "game" is to outwit the opponent by damaging their plans via eradicating their options in their hand. You think you are taking care of the Big Picture, but you are not.



IF you can somehow convince people to not buy pharma drugs for everyday ailments that they are shoved down our throats for, then you have solved one person's, one problem. If you can convince a mind to not choose from fear of illness (which drives Big Pharma -- obviously - we all know this), then you have solved this issue and a thousand more for their entire life, as most other issues are also caused from choosing out of fear. This is how the masses are controlled, no? Yes.



I'm not sure what you mean here. Those people and 'mind' are one and the same. You will need to be clearer as tow hat you mean here. True, by raising awareness of these issues in a good enough approach, it should spark results. But then again, you would have to fight things proposed by you as to whats going on, and the things proposed by the system, as to whats going on. As you can see, things are not going very well for us considering the track record. By now there should have been more aware people, and the rate of awareness is still low, in exponential terms. This means there is a powerful enough defense presented by 'them', for the masses to digest as true. We need to be more convincing then. This is the key, not just "forward that mail about the dangers of vaccination" and be done with it. This is what most people do. Don't make me show you my spambox.





Perception is key to creating actions that will really work. Effort has to be coordinated with the fullest perspective, and I never once indicated that we should do nothing, ("what really? you didn't? I coulda swore .. "<more NLP>)



Neither did I. But we are talking about a handful of examples. Can you truly say the community is ready and prepared in global terms? No you can't. It would be ridiculous, considering everything.





Did I ever say that's how it works?! LOL! EVER!!?? What, you think I am some sort of light worker??! bwahahah!! that is funny ... (I am a servant of humanity and my style of work is not limited). Because your comments at this point have gotten so far off of anything to do with me, I will consider that this and entire rest of your two post rant had nothing to do with my response .. as it clearly does not.



Yes, since it clearly does not, why did you bother to comment that section and make it all about yourself, yet again?

I was talking in general - my experiences with communicating with people of this alternative community and what I usually encounter as a response to what I'm saying. This community has become too immobile and pacified. Some wait for a new age version of Christ to save them, others their spirit guides, some prefer them to be some aliens/cosmic brotherhood etc. Or their prayers, meditations and spiritual focus to present some kind of miracle. Take a look yourself, and see what's going on. It shouldn't be that hard, just a few Google clicks. Its very worrying.



My tirade finally over, I do not make light of your frustrations, or seek to diminish peoples efforts to do more -- in fact the opposite. I just want them to know they have more tools than they think ... that is all I ever indicated if you go back and read through all my posts here; I also think that there are many here who also were the target of the anti-spiritual attacks, were merely trying to do the same, shame so much attacks on each other and at the same time we hope to have a chance against "Them" -- not in this mindset! ;)



Exactly my point. When somebody doesn't understand what you are saying, we have a problem of miscommunication. That problem brings the company of other problems too, some even worse, which make unitary standing impossible among fellow people. I'm pointing this out, because you also failed to see the point I was making and seemed to be miscommunicating or misinterpreting my words.



All I was doing was pointing out how in the world around me - is not hopelessly lost - and backed it up with a few examples. Things are getting better in many ways. Look at some stats, crime is at a worldwide all time low, death via war is at an all time low. But guess what? The media brainwashes people to believe the opposite and react in fear.


I don't need the media - I have journalist friends. I know the reality. There is no significantly lower crime rate today than before. Few days ago, 5 people were shot to kickstart a politically induced, religious conflict in our country. 4 of them were individuals even younger than myself - still kids in some way. That's just the latest crap. Need I report you a history of incidents this year alone? Or maybe a decade would suffice?

And, that's just my country alone. Don't get me started on massacres and bloodbaths in USA and especially Europe.

I'm wondering under what rock you have been hiding not to take a hard look at this ...

Let me guess, you happened to found a statistical study on the net?


I don't need statistics, I have a handful of journalists who are good enough, some of them who travel aboard often enough, my own two set of eyes, and a brain. That would be it. And that's all I need. Screw statistics. If they don't match reality, they're not worth the time.



I tried, others tried, but only response like "why aren't you focusing on the tragedy!?" by the addicted to their emotions.


Maybe we can make it stop with a lullaby? Care to propose one?



I tried to present how making small non-fear driven lifestyle choices can help starve them of their funds and free us of their control of us by our fears, real solutions and I was attacked for it. What did you present? What is this threads purpose???


I reminded a very convinced crowd (and will do it in other places) that the tyranny is not over yet and not to let their guard down and celebrate until we know for sure that is the case here.

I believe that was this thread's purpose too. At least in my opinion. I think Anthony wanted to remind people of the different ways we are being controlled and that this has not diminished any time soon, and any signals pointing to that are an illusion.



You responded to one of my posts explaining to me that the world is almost done for because of X and Y. I gave examples as to how your view of X and Y are not complete and do not apply in my part of the world (I bet you weren't expecting me to know about that ****).


I never said that. I said if this type of mentality prevails and nothing changed in the times ahead, that we would definitely fail in what we originally set out to achieve by looking into these topics in the first place.

I never said the world is done for good. Not yet. There is still enough time.

Regarding your X & Y position, that is irrelevant. They may not apply there, but the do apply elsewhere, and will apply where they don't apply just yet. Kudos to the local success, I'm aiming slightly higher than that. Try to catch up.



I posted a video that lays out the actions of "Them ... ", names them, indicates how they work and how to stop supporting them .. ignored. What is the purpose of this thread then??? can anyone tell me?? Oh wait, another NLP testing ground for a select few to test their skills of
"herding" ... well done.

If we start to poke blame and point fingers, you wouldn't be exempt either. So don't even go that direction, its counter-productive to your argument.

As for the video, I didn't look up. I will do it soon and then comment.


I can see why your final response was the way it was ... I'm not playing the "game" and I'm pissing everyone off ... lol

Wel, I'm angry, but not because of you (you won't get that credit from me). General things about this go on my nerves.




Lighten up .... ;)

Best advice is one already tried, before proposed.

[DeDukshyn]

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Lighten up .... ;)

Best advice is one already tried, before proposed.

You make a couple points not invalid, thank you for that. And do check the video ... its nothing new -- and not the entire picture by any means, but it is something the masses may be able to understand and respond to.

I didn't really read everything you had to say, and may not go back to do it either, as I tire of this direction as everything has been reduced. In the end we are all on the same side here, and everyone is clearly in different places with different perspectives; you and I not furthest away than some.

I don't think I'll participate further but anyone getting this far - try to watch the video. It starts off slow and a bit cheesy, but gets going.

Have a good day! ;)

[DeDukshyn]

Awards go to both dedukshyn and onyxknight for the most work into formatting .. notable mention to onyxknight ;) (I cheaped out on the last one .. didn't even trim .. ;))

[ThePythonicCow]

(I cheaped out on the last one .. didn't even trim .. ;))
The Mods just came to the rescue and did the quote trimming.

All is well.

[thunder24]

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Lighten up .... ;)

Best advice is one already tried, before proposed.





You make a couple points not invalid, thank you for that. And do check the video ... its nothing new -- and not the entire picture by any means, but it is something the masses may be able to understand and respond to.

I didn't really read everything you had to say, and may not go back to do it either, as I tire of this direction as everything has been reduced. In the end we are all on the same side here, and everyone is clearly in different places with different perspectives; you and I not furthest away than some.

I don't think I'll participate further but anyone getting this far - try to watch the video. It starts off slow and a bit cheesy, but gets going.

Have a good day! ;)

does that mean this time, when u say ull leave this thread, that u will actually do it?

[thunder24]

Since this was/is King Anthony's thread....

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