Email and web use 'to be monitored' under new laws

[greybeard]

The title of the thread says it all.

The government will be able to monitor the calls, emails, texts and website visits of everyone in the UK under new legislation set to be announced soon.

Internet firms will be required to give intelligence agency GCHQ access to communications on demand, in real time.

The Home Office says the move is key to tackling crime and terrorism, but civil liberties groups have criticised it.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745


Chris

[Bo Atkinson]

greybeard, do any of us think that shining a conscientious light on the demise of the global, healthy biomass could help alert small business owners? (Counting under 500 employees?) I try in my own way and know of others trying to do so in their own ways.

[gripreaper]

Chris,

Have you heard about the Utah data center under construction? This will blow your mind. The full gathering and distilling and categorizing of all digital transmissions is almost complete.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/%E2%80%9Cwe-are-far-turnkey-totalitarian-state-big-brother-goes-live-september-2013

I say we really need for the leap to the new paradigm of consciousness sooner rather than later.

[greybeard]

Chris,

Have you heard about the Utah data center under construction? This will blow your mind. The full gathering and distilling and categorizing of all digital transmissions is almost complete.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/%E2%80%9Cwe-are-far-turnkey-totalitarian-state-big-brother-goes-live-september-2013

I say we really need for the leap to the new paradigm of consciousness sooner rather than later.

I have now thanks to you gripreaper.
That is really extrema--- no warrant or any kind of permission required--- it makes phone hacking look like a childish joke.

Chris

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

This has been going on for years via the likes of ECHELON & others. The only difference now is they are letting folk know that everyone is being watched & recorded & there isn't a thing they can do about it for the very government they have voted into office has pushed through Acts that will allow such dracion measures to take place.

All I can say is, roll on Independence.

[TigaHawk]

The minute my Pirate Ship is threatend, ITS WAR.


i believe this will be the case for many people. Mostly silent untill it effects them directly, then all hell breaks loose.

They are probably pumping up the flouride dosage in prep for it tho. heh.

[panopticon]

G'day All,


This has been going on for years via the likes of ECHELON & others. The only difference now is they are letting folk know that everyone is being watched & recorded & there isn't a thing they can do about it for the very government they have voted into office has pushed through Acts that will allow such dracion measures to take place.
Well said Bryn ap Gwilym, what we see, by its very nature, must be only the "tip of the ice berg". Not only that but governments around the world are also signing plurilateral agreements (TRIPS, ACTA (https://sites.google.com/site/iipenforcement/trips-acta-comparison), etc) that give away even the illusion of national autonomy.

Further to the 'Wired' article on the Utah Data Centre (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1) this section is chilling:


According to another top official also involved with the program, the NSA made an enormous breakthrough several years ago in its ability to cryptanalyze, or break, unfathomably complex encryption systems employed by not only governments around the world but also many average computer users in the US. The upshot, according to this official: “Everybody’s a target; everybody with communication is a target.”

The above quote from Wired is saying that the NSA has admitted having a way to learn anything, about anyone, anywhere in the world. No longer shall we be policed by an exterior agent, soon we shall police ourselves for fear of being perceived as a threat and then there will be little need for anyone to police anything.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[Cidersomerset]

Hi they are debating about it now on BBC radio 5 live, lord Carlisle was on basically giving the argument that it was needed to fight
Terrorism and cyber crime etc ....One of callers who called in said he was a hacker from 'Anonomous' and made a point that
no legislation would stop criminals or hackers or terrorists who would be one step ahead. Also he tried to make the point that
terrorism is a 'red herring' but the point was not developed. The rest of the debate is basic & interresting, someone has just
made the point that its illegal to open people ordinary mail ( letters.post cards) so terrorists could just send info by post and
others are seeing thru the terrorist argument and one mentioned the false flag issue !! Steve

[Mad Hatter]

the NSA made an enormous breakthrough several years ago in its ability to cryptanalyze, or break, unfathomably complex encryption systems employed

Quantum computing by any other name...

Send it by snail mail using a one time pad encryption system is about the last way to really p!ss them off but even that unfortunately has now been reduced to a mere annoying inconvenience.

Welcome one and all to Orwells 1984 juxtapositioned over Huxleys Brave New World.

Looking forward to how all the yuppy coppertops react as the penny finally drops since they where the vangaurd for quick delivery of this onslaught.

[WhiteFeather]

They are starting to whack the proverbial wasp nest again, I hope they know what there getting into. People are tired enough already. Maybe just another straw thats gonna break the camels back.

[xbusymom]

Hi they are debating about it now on BBC radio 5 live, lord Carlisle was on basically giving the argument that it was needed to fight
Terrorism and cyber crime etc ....One of callers who called in said he was a hacker from 'Anonomous' and made a point that
no legislation would stop criminals or hackers or terrorists who would be one step ahead. Also he tried to make the point that
terrorism is a 'red herring' but the point was not developed. The rest of the debate is basic & interresting, someone has just
made the point that its illegal to open people ordinary mail ( letters.post cards) so terrorists could just send info by post and
others are seeing thru the terrorist argument and one mentioned the false flag issue !! Steve

sooo... its not hard to decypher anything when you own ALL the hackers AND their keycodes... besides we WERE demanding TRANSPARENCY... weren't we???

[Peace of Mind]

This shouldn’t be a surprise at all; it’s only a matter of time. The governments created and used the internet at least 20 years before the average Joe was allowed to use it. They had their agents and decoy websites up and ready for the longest time. It’s a hugh agenda dedicated to program intellect. The internet is a breeding ground for spreading lies. If there was anything threatening to the infrastructure of government they would have shut it down long ago, don’t you think?

Its primary use is to further brainwash the masses and keep them complacent obeying slaves. Never before would I have imagine such a bamboozle tactic, obviously the internet and its deceptions has been in the works for a very long time. First they washed the views of everyone in the world…then they regulate it later to prevent anyone from undoing all their mental programming. For the love of everything good…I hoping I’m not the only one to realize this….

If you know like I know…if you plan to use the net to do anything revolutionary or for the greater good of mankind…you better do it sooner than later. After they’re finished making all your lives dependant on this technology…. they will use it to further enslave you.

The opportunity to use the net to do anything positive, and of great significance for the species is fleeting…and fast. Reaching out to others across the world will not be the same. The net was always meant to be a test/Beta…the actual use is to prowl into your business without concerns of detection. They get a feel of what you are so they can design counter measures that will make you what they want you to be. You should never believe anything on it, especially if the info is vague and comes from sources you don’t know personally. Anyone selling you drama with a life or death spin to it…and refuses to give definable details to their claims don’t care about you, how could they …when they do nothing but put you in fear…while they hide in the shadows?

Only thrust yourself, go deep within and recognize who you are and move accordingly. Nothing in this world will ever manifest itself unless we allow it to. The people on the net are being trained to unlock portals and/or creating certain lifestyles by having their minds primed and focus on what TPTB want them on. It’s painfully obvious when you open your eyes and look around. It just saddens me to see that so many are so passed gone they don’t even care anymore. However, for those that still do…I’m still here with you continuing to fight for our rights that so many have died for. This is the only way to honor all those that have sacrificed and/or fallen, for us.

Peace

[Zampano]

Since yesterday this horrible law got reality yesterday in my country as well.
All telephone calls, text messages, Emails get saved for 6 months.
Where you are, who you are talking to and for how long. Whats next??

The constitutional court in Germany, Czech Republic and Romania abolished this law and gets confronted with a fine between 13.000 and 823.000 Euro per day.

Fortunately, there is an civil right group in every country and I recommend to sign the initiative.
And go to the streets, if necessary ;-)

[Sidney]

They have already been doing this for years, now they just make it legal because they know we are on to them. Whats the difference, there is no privacy to be had. At all. We are bugs under a magnifying glass. Hate it.

[xbusymom]

Ohhhh... I just had a thought...

If it is now legal.. that means we can do it too, right? go and get a tape recorder and start documenting your little hearts out...!!!!!!

[Daft Ada]

the NSA made an enormous breakthrough several years ago in its ability to cryptanalyze, or break, unfathomably complex encryption systems employed

Quantum computing by any other name...

Send it by snail mail using a one time pad encryption system is about the last way to really p!ss them off but even that unfortunately has now been reduced to a mere annoying inconvenience.

Welcome one and all to Orwells 1984 juxtapositioned over Huxleys Brave New World.

Looking forward to how all the yuppy coppertops react as the penny finally drops since they where the vangaurd for quick delivery of this onslaught.Absolutely Steve. They have their reasons for wanting to do this, and then just spout whatever they feel will justify doing it so they can get their own way. In my opinion it's the start of the end where the net is concerned

[Taurean]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17595209

Email and web monitoring laws 'to be brought in soon'



The Home Office says new laws to allow the monitoring of all emails, texts and web use in the UK will be brought in "as soon as parliamentary time allows".

The statement comes despite widespread criticism of plans to allow GCHQ "real time" access to communications data.

In a further sign of a determination to push on with the plan, Home Secretary Theresa May said "ordinary people" would have nothing to fear.

But "criminals, paedophiles and terrorists" would,

and Parliamentarians no doubt

I wonder what Rupert makes of all this ?

[Taurean]

the NSA made an enormous breakthrough several years ago in its ability to cryptanalyze, or break, unfathomably complex encryption systems employed

Quantum computing by any other name...

Send it by snail mail using a one time pad encryption system is about the last way to really p!ss them off but even that unfortunately has now been reduced to a mere annoying inconvenience.

Welcome one and all to Orwells 1984 juxtapositioned over Huxleys Brave New World.

Looking forward to how all the yuppy coppertops react as the penny finally drops since they where the vangaurd for quick delivery of this onslaught.Absolutely Steve. They have their reasons for wanting to do this, and then just spout whatever they feel will justify doing it so they can get their own way. In my opinion it's the start of the end where the net is concerned

Looks like they've got that base covered, - tax it and price snail mail out of the market !


A first-class stamp will rise in price from 46p to 60p from 30 April after the regulator lifted some price controls on Royal Mail.

A second-class stamp will go up from 36p to 50p - some 5p below the top price allowed by Ofcom.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Does this mean jenny craig can find out if i ordered thai take away ?

[xbusymom]

Ahhh,,, and here we go...


they are lining everyone up... Ummm ... I mean ...

they are letting everyone line themselves up ...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/1940-us-census-now-available-free-online-not-213556457.html

[Kelly]

http://www.avaaz.org/en/stop_the_big_brother_law_a/?tta

Petition from Avaaz to sing to stop the law going through parliment.

[Avocadess]

Speaking of the U.S. Census, did you know that the U.S. Census Bureau is now collecting information every month of every year from citizens? There are test market cities -- and I'm just lucky enough to live in one of them (Austin, Texas) and also was chosen as one of the people (or addresses) to be asked questions. At first I thought it was just a scam -- who ever heard of a 2012 census when everyone knows it is just once every ten years? But they kept mailing me and then have called me 3 times -- 3 different people in one week -- telling me that I am required "by law" to answer all of their questions.

I told them that the U.S. Constitution says that all they need to know is how many people live here. They tell me they have "15 minutes" of questions to ask me. I will not be answering their phone calls anymore. I'm not an angry sort of person and I don't anger easily, but I feel a deep sense of outrage at this invasion of my privacy and I'm not volunteering anything, even if they come to arrest me (which they have told me they can do).

I'm too old to go for this crap. I don't buy Fascism and I don't care if the President of the United States tells me personally I now live in a Fascist country. I will not and cannot accept that and I refuse to act like anything but a free American citizen. I have not broken any laws.

But you know what bothered me the most? My friend who worked for the Census Bureau on test markets in 2005 -- which is how I found out they were for real and not a civilian scam but a government scam -- told me that of the HUNDREDS of people he asked questions of as a Census taker, only ONE person ever "pushed back" -- and even he gave all his information as he escorted the two census takers off his property.

This makes me feel it is even MORE important that I refuse to answer their questions. I really don't feel I have a choice but to be uncooperative...!

[xbusymom]

yes I had the same experience; I answered only the LEGAL questions and sent it back in the mail (keeping a copy of course)-

then I had a guy show up on my doorstep 3X to get the rest of the questions answered, I told him I knew he was just trying to 'do his job' but that I answered all the legal questions and did not intend to spend any more time fiddling with unnecessary nosiness...

we were in the process of packing and moving- so - by observation - he got to see approximate ages, genders, races, and all the rest, (and I am pretty sure he got authorization to get the COA from the post office too).

so how DOES one fight THEM connecting the dots with the data already gathered for organizing a mass of public?

[Nanoo Nanoo]

In order to legally complete a form, one must first accept receiving it by filling it out. unless hte form is handed to you by a sherrif there is no real legal way to prove you received the document in the first place.

If you do not respond then the only assumption they can make is that you didnt receive it or dont want to fill it out. Both are impossible to prove beyond a doubt in a law court. Unless you admit to it, but why would you do that? Deny deny deny, then deny again. Its the first rule of contactual law un spoken.

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[Franny]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17595209

Email and web monitoring laws 'to be brought in soon'



The Home Office says new laws to allow the monitoring of all emails, texts and web use in the UK will be brought in "as soon as parliamentary time allows".

The statement comes despite widespread criticism of plans to allow GCHQ "real time" access to communications data.

In a further sign of a determination to push on with the plan, Home Secretary Theresa May said "ordinary people" would have nothing to fear.

But "criminals, paedophiles and terrorists" would,

and Parliamentarians no doubt

I wonder what Rupert makes of all this ?

I do too!

Ordinary people would have nothing to fear?

This reminds me of something Cardinal Richelieu said. This is not verbatim but close enough, "Send me the most honest of men and have him write but six sentences and I will find enough to convict him of anything."

If this tactic has changed at all, itʻs only to have vastly improved.

[Cjay]

"to be monitored"?

EVERYTHING on the internet has ALWAYS been monitored. It was always part of the plan.

[humanalien]

Your web and email have already been and are still being monitored. This has
been going on for at least 12 years now but i suspect that it's been longer than
that. It is just being thrown out to the general public, now.

[heyokah]

Chris,

Have you heard about the Utah data center under construction? This will blow your mind. The full gathering and distilling and categorizing of all digital transmissions is almost complete.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/%E2%80%9Cwe-are-far-turnkey-totalitarian-state-big-brother-goes-live-september-2013

I say we really need for the leap to the new paradigm of consciousness sooner rather than later.


In conclusion, the NSA's own whistleblower summarizes it best.

-Sitting in a restaurant not far from NSA headquarters, the place where he spent nearly 40 years of his life, Binney held his thumb and forefinger close together. “We are, like, that far from a turnkey totalitarian state,” he says.
... And nobody cares.- ??

I think they'll even know where I lost my keys .....but I will not be able to find my cyber buddy.

I care, and you care, we care....