Fallen Angels, Demons, Aliens

[WEAREONE]

Hello everyone. I am interested in learning more about the topic of fallen angels. I am curious to know if anyone on Avalon has read any books or has links to good videos about the subject. The idea I am interested in the most is the idea that fallen angels may be greatly involved in the alien/UFO agenda. Also, I am interested in the learning more about the idea that the worship of Satanism/Demon Worship is what the ruling elite (TPTB) use to their benefit to manipulate and contol. Im open to any suggestions on any of the topics. Luckily for us at Avalon we are receptive to learning the truth. In my heart I do believe that this is likely what is going in our world. I also believe that most humans are good loving people and if we were allowed to be free we would live in harmony peace and love. One book I am reading right now is Fallen Angels Among us by Elizabeth Clare Prophet, it is a good read so far, hallfway done. If you reasearch the author you will see she considers herslef and husband to be messengers of the message of Saint Germain and the ascended masters. I know for some this idea of ascended masters is a bit of a reach. I myself am not sure yet as to the Saint Germain idea/message, but I dont think it is necessary to know yet what I believe in order to have a open discussion on the subject and learn and grow.

[WhiteFeather]

Thanks for sharing.

[truth4me]

If we believe in fallen angels then we must believe in God and Lucifer. That's not to say everything in the bible is true. Truth mixed with lies and we must in our hearts and mind figure out what is the truth and what is the lies. Back to topic. I believe "aliens" could be demons . The Phoenix Journals has lot's of information and IMO speak the truth concerning angels/demons/ E.T's. yet as always you be the judge. The link for the Phoenix Journals below.

http:// truthwinds.com

[Neptun]

Hello everyone. I am interested in learning more about the topic of fallen angels. I am curious to know if anyone on Avalon has read any books or has links to good videos about the subject. The idea I am interested in the most is the idea that fallen angels may be greatly involved in the alien/UFO agenda. Also, I am interested in the learning more about the idea that the worship of Satanism/Demon Worship is what the ruling elite (TPTB) use to their benefit to manipulate and contol. Im open to any suggestions on any of the topics. Luckily for us at Avalon we are receptive to learning the truth. In my heart I do believe that this is likely what is going in our world. I also believe that most humans are good loving people and if we were allowed to be free we would live in harmony peace and love. One book I am reading right now is Fallen Angels Among us by Elizabeth Clare Prophet, it is a good read so far, hallfway done. If you reasearch the author you will see she considers herslef and husband to be messengers of the message of Saint Germain and the ascended masters. I know for some this idea of ascended masters is a bit of a reach. I myself am not sure yet as to the Saint Germain idea/message, but I dont think it is necessary to know yet what I believe in order to have a open discussion on the subject and learn and grow.

I wrote this about it:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42997-The-powers-behind-the-Elite&p=456647#post456647

[Cilka]

Weareone, do you mean 4D beings? They are not really fallen angels, they are just beings, just like us, residing in 4D instead of 3D. There are good ones and bad ones just like in 3D. If you dont know what's hiding in 4D then dont even think of going there.

[Houman]

look into the research of Barbara Bartholic, Eve Lorgen, James Bartley, Dr Malanga, etc...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit-a-Scandin

[WEAREONE]

Weareone, do you mean 4D beings? They are not really fallen angels, they are just beings, just like us, residing in 4D instead of 3D. There are good ones and bad ones just like in 3D. If you dont know what's hiding in 4D then dont even think of going there.

4D beings, well I suppose thats what I could be meaning. Some have said their are 4th dimensional biengs, David Icke I believe has said that these 4D biengs may appear in our 3D worlds and then leave to their 4D world. Perhaps the title of the post should include reptilians. I think it is more plausible that a fallen angel/demon can reside in many different dimensions, and present in many different forms, even as reptilians. Perhaps you can elaborate more of what your eluding too?

[Ellisa]

WEARONE You wrote___ "I dont think it is necessary to know yet what I believe in order to have a open discussion on the subject and learn and grow."

I would have thought it impossible to research into fallen angels unless you already have some idea as to their reality. I, for instance, would find it very difficult to research them, as I do not think angels are real. I am of the opinion that if you believe in angels, fallen ones or not, then you will find them as they, like god, are creatures of your faith and have no reality.

There are planty of myths and legends about supernatural beings , most of which can be explained, and the rest will be some day. While angels are a product of our faith, demons are a product of our fears, and believing in them is a very sure way to erode our humanity.

So I guess that if I were in your research you would have to enter me as a complete disbeliever in angels, fallen or otherwise and demons good or bad. (Are there good demons?)

[kersley]

Sitchin is a good source of information, if you take his work seriously..

In my own words short version, Sitchin wrote..
The Annunaki came to earth but brought along helpers who resided on mars.. These helpers were called Igigites. they were very jealous of the Annunaki's new creation. the Humans.
There were a total of 300 of these helpers, but only 200 came to earth for the wedding celebration of Marduk which took place here on earth. This is when these helpers wanted to be like the gods and take wives for themselves.
So they choose which women they wanted and fled to the mountains..

I believe these helpers are today what we call the greys. these are the demons. completely soul less. they can't process emotions as we do, as they are programed helpers or slaves to the gods.
These organic grey robots cannot reproduce, so I guess their numbers must be very few, which is why they are constantly looking for a way to mix themselves with us humans.
And I also think that they are responsible for the hybrid program that brought about the giants of old. I also think they live here on earth, or should that be inner earth..

As I said before on other threads, why are 99% of abduction carried out by the greys? The greys has been here on earth longer than us humans. it is these greys I believe that control the elite.
Just like Bob Dean , Phil Schneider said, the greys are working side by side with the US government.

These horrid greedy men has traded our freedom for technology. Just like the devil wanted to trade with Jesus... a good point to remember is this..
The devil said to Jesus, I will give you dominion over the face of the earth...what about inner earth? Do you understand where i'm going with this?

[WEAREONE]

WEARONE You wrote___ "I dont think it is necessary to know yet what I believe in order to have a open discussion on the subject and learn and grow."

I would have thought it impossible to research into fallen angels unless you already have some idea as to their reality. I, for instance, would find it very difficult to research them, as I do not think angels are real. I am of the opinion that if you believe in angels, fallen ones or not, then you will find them as they, like god, are creatures of your faith and have no reality.

There are planty of myths and legends about supernatural beings , most of which can be explained, and the rest will be some day. While angels are a product of our faith, demons are a product of our fears, and believing in them is a very sure way to erode our humanity.

So I guess that if I were in your research you would have to enter me as a complete disbeliever in angels, fallen or otherwise and demons good or bad. (Are there good demons?)

Ok, so yes, I do not believe it necessary to define exactly what I beleive. I think that we can all learn something without defining our beliefs. If it helps to see where I am coming from I am agnostic. I define this as a belief in God, what God is I do not entirely know at this time. I do not think life came from nothing, nor do I believe their is no meaning to life, nor do I believe life is the meaninng you create for it.. Unfortunately my faith in anything is not very strong, but do have hope that one day I will understand. As for the topic I have posted I think we can leave out what people believe and instead approach the topic as a scientist. meaning we offer up hypotheses and share information. An example of what I am looking for is this....

Hello WEAREONE, have you seen the video from Alex Jones were he infiltrates the global elite Bohemian Grove. It is a great eye opner into how the powers that be(TPTB) are involved in very secretive ceremonies that most would find very disturbing. heres a link http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-82095917705734983
It is kind of long but worth your time. Another place to look into your search is Jordan Maxwell, his website is http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/
Its a good website but not great it seems the website is a little low budget, after watching a good video interview of Jordan Maxwell you will see that his website does not really do him justice, a decent video interview I have seen is this one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jJKue2Ff6o
Another video series I have seen that is somewhat over religious for my taste but none the less very informative is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBfSr0f7QbE
best of luck in your search[COLOR="red"]

[WEAREONE]

Sitchin is a good source of information, if you take his work seriously..

In my own words short version, Sitchin wrote..
The Annunaki came to earth but brought along helpers who resided on mars.. These helpers were called Igigites. they were very jealous of the Annunaki's new creation. the Humans.
There were a total of 300 of these helpers, but only 200 came to earth for the wedding celebration of Marduk which took place here on earth. This is when these helpers wanted to be like the gods and take wives for themselves.
So they choose which women they wanted and fled to the mountains..

I believe these helpers are today what we call the greys. these are the demons. completely soul less. they can't process emotions as we do, as they are programed helpers or slaves to the gods.
These organic grey robots cannot reproduce, so I guess their numbers must be very few, which is why they are constantly looking for a way to mix themselves with us humans.
And I also think that they are responsible for the hybrid program that brought about the giants of old. I also think they live here on earth, or should that be inner earth..

As I said before on other threads, why are 99% of abduction carried out by the greys? The greys has been here on earth longer than us humans. it is these greys I believe that control the elite.
Just like Bob Dean , Phil Schneider said, the greys are working side by side with the US government.

These horrid greedy men has traded our freedom for technology. Just like the devil wanted to trade with Jesus... a good point to remember is this..
The devil said to Jesus, I will give you dominion over the face of the earth...what about inner earth? Do you understand where i'm going with this?





Thanks for the reply, I have read some of Sitchin's work. I cant say I buy into all his writings, I do however buy into the idea of the Annunaki, where they fit in the whole story I do not know. As for the greys you wrote "I believe these helpers are today what we call the greys. these are the demons. completely soul less" Well I dont think soul less is a good term for biengs that are trying to.. "These organic grey robots cannot reproduce, so I guess their numbers must be very few, which is why they are constantly looking for a way to mix themselves with us humans" ....seems odd to be soul less robots yet trying very hard to figure out a way to reproduce?? I gues my idea of the greys is that they are part of the puzzle but not necessarily at the top of the pyramid. If you think of a soul less robot then why have desire why have purpose, someone is driving that desire either the greys themselves or the masters.
As for the inner Earth I am not sure what you mean. I have heard many different theories about biengs living in the inner earth, a little more clarification would be helpful.

[WEAREONE]

If we believe in fallen angels then we must believe in God and Lucifer. That's not to say everything in the bible is true. Truth mixed with lies and we must in our hearts and mind figure out what is the truth and what is the lies. Back to topic. I believe "aliens" could be demons . The Phoenix Journals has lot's of information and IMO speak the truth concerning angels/demons/ E.T's. yet as always you be the judge. The link for the Phoenix Journals below.

http:// truthwinds.com


thanks for the link will look into more and post about later on what I find, seems like a legit place for info

[MorningSong]

kersley, I am in the process of reading Sitchen's books and nowhere have I (yet) run across this story of the IGI.GI, (The Watchers), coming to Earth en masse, snatching human women, and running for the hills. I do remember the story of Zu stealing the Tablets of Destiny from Enlil and the war that folllowed . Could you tell us in what book Sitchren mentions this?

I am now reading "The Bible of the Gods" and it has mentioned the Annunaki finding out that the human women were sexually/genetically compatable, and since there were very few Annunaki females amongst the colonists, how they all started mating with the human women to produce offspring, or rather, semi-gods/hybrids, and how this infuriated Enlil who then decided to not intervene with the Antartic cataclasm which provoked the Great Flood, etc, etc.

What I have understood is that the IGI.GI were the "ones" who were on spaceships around the Earth who intervened between the Earth and Nibiru, transporting gold, et al. As far as I can tell, they never came to Earth, especially after the Zu/ Enlil conflict. But I may be wrong....

WEAREONE, I understand your concern, and I, too, have asked myself the same questions you OP presents. I agree that it is a discussion to elaborate on. There was a time when I was convinced that the "ET's" were the "Fallen Angels" vs the good "Angels". The name of the author of the book you mention rings a bell... I must have read something of hers in the past, but I am not familiar with that particular book.

As I dive further into my rabbit hole, and further back in time to get a glimps of why we believe what we believe, my hole outlook has taken on giroscopic panaramas which are nearly blowing me away. lol I look forward to exploring this with you all. (And I do hope we can get beyond the opinion barriers so the discussion will continue.)

[kersley]

Sitchin - the lost book of Enki..

[MorningSong]

OK, I haven't gotten to that one yet.... I look forward to reading that info.

[WEAREONE]

[QUOTE=truth4me;459467]If we believe in fallen angels then we must believe in God and Lucifer. That's not to say everything in the bible is true. Truth mixed with lies and we must in our hearts and mind figure out what is the truth and what is the lies. Back to topic. I believe "aliens" could be demons . The Phoenix Journals has lot's of information and IMO speak the truth concerning angels/demons/ E.T's. yet as always you be the judge. The link for the Phoenix Journals below.

http:// truthwinds.com


just to clarify is this the link you intended to post http://www.fourwinds10.net/
the thruthwinds link doesnt work but after a little search help I ffound the fourwinds site and assumed this was the intended site??

[WEAREONE]

Hello everyone. I am interested in learning more about the topic of fallen angels. I am curious to know if anyone on Avalon has read any books or has links to good videos about the subject. The idea I am interested in the most is the idea that fallen angels may be greatly involved in the alien/UFO agenda. Also, I am interested in the learning more about the idea that the worship of Satanism/Demon Worship is what the ruling elite (TPTB) use to their benefit to manipulate and contol. Im open to any suggestions on any of the topics. Luckily for us at Avalon we are receptive to learning the truth. In my heart I do believe that this is likely what is going in our world. I also believe that most humans are good loving people and if we were allowed to be free we would live in harmony peace and love. One book I am reading right now is Fallen Angels Among us by Elizabeth Clare Prophet, it is a good read so far, hallfway done. If you reasearch the author you will see she considers herslef and husband to be messengers of the message of Saint Germain and the ascended masters. I know for some this idea of ascended masters is a bit of a reach. I myself am not sure yet as to the Saint Germain idea/message, but I dont think it is necessary to know yet what I believe in order to have a open discussion on the subject and learn and grow.

I wrote this about it:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42997-The-powers-behind-the-Elite&p=456647#post456647

Wow, thanks for the link and the info, it will take some time for me to finish looking at the video links and looking more into what was said in that thread. I do like this part in particular


"Even though it sounds negative, it was a very positive experience, because I learned that these demons are no match to us when we send them unconditional love. They are pathetically weak.The other nightly attacks stopped instantly after I kicked his ass with unconditional love and has not returned"

[WEAREONE]

look into the research of Barbara Bartholic, Eve Lorgen, James Bartley, Dr Malanga, etc...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit-a-Scandin

thanks a lot for the link, this is exactly the information I am looking for!!

[Cilka]

Weareone, do you mean 4D beings? They are not really fallen angels, they are just beings, just like us, residing in 4D instead of 3D. There are good ones and bad ones just like in 3D. If you dont know what's hiding in 4D then dont even think of going there.

4D beings, well I suppose thats what I could be meaning. Some have said their are 4th dimensional biengs, David Icke I believe has said that these 4D biengs may appear in our 3D worlds and then leave to their 4D world. Perhaps the title of the post should include reptilians. I think it is more plausible that a fallen angel/demon can reside in many different dimensions, and present in many different forms, even as reptilians. Perhaps you can elaborate more of what your eluding too?

Weareone, if you are looking for a scientific evidence of the possibility of existence of 4D reality then you should read DMT THE SPIRIT MOLECULE by Strassman. It is easy for people to say that they believe this or that, but if they dont have evidence that could prove the existence of beings outside of our 3D reality then it is hard to believe these people who are stating that they witnessed seeing a reptilian looking being. I do believe in what David Icke is saying about the existence of the reptilian looking beings, but I dont believe him that there are shape shifting humans in 3D. I mean, are you able to personally shapeshift into a lizard? I know I cannot, even if I wanted to. Now, if I was transported into 4D reality then that would be a different story because the physical laws governing 4D are less limiting than in 3D. Would I want to witness seeing a reptilian looking being standing on two legs? You bet I would. There is nothing more exciting for me than a life full of wonder and excitement.

[Ellisa]

These replies illustrate very well the reason that I believe that in researching 'angels' it is very necessary to define the terms of the research.

Are you researching 'angels' of the type in the bible? The ones portrayed with flowing robes and wings, the ones whom many people believe are their guardians through life, the ones who live in heaven. These are the ones vast numbers of people get comfort from, and pray to, and the ones who, in the past were the ones, some of whom, perhaps, fell? These are powerful enduring images in our society.

Or do you think that the Annunaki were the angels? That is, extra-terrestrials who visited and appeared to have magic powers which they used to help or mould or even harm mankind. Or do you think angels are 4D beings?

All of these views are canvassed here. None of them, with our present knowledge, are 'right'. They are not the only opinions around regarding 'angels'. The topic is vast, and huge areas stray deeply into matters of faith. Which sort of 'fallen' angels are you intending to study?

[DeDukshyn]

In support of Elisa's post above, defining the terms is always important. I personally believe that "fallen angels" may have many forms. Human, alien, ethereal, demonic, etc. From what I have come to understand, most came initially to aid humanity through the "Fall" and most fell. The forces of separation, the Spell of Matter, being extremely powerful influences. However this is metaphoric description; how this actually manifested in the physical plane I have no idea, but I'd assume the reference of the Atlantean age had some relation.

I read a book by Ken Carey called "Starseed: The Third Millennium" that rather seemed to provide some of the insight into the process of humans and angels falling, from strictly ethereal point of view .. it is interesting to say the least.

[jagman]

Nick Redfern is an author and researcher on this subject. He has been doing this kind of research for a number of years.
check him out

[WEAREONE]

[QUOTE=Ellisa;460013]These replies illustrate very well the reason that I believe that in researching 'angels' it is very necessary to define the terms of the research.

Are you researching 'angels' of the type in the bible? The ones portrayed with flowing robes and wings, the ones whom many people believe are their guardians through life, the ones who live in heaven. These are the ones vast numbers of people get comfort from, and pray to, and the ones who, in the past were the ones, some of whom, perhaps, fell? These are powerful enduring images in our society.





I am interested in anything that has to do with the subject. Recently I have became more and more aware of the idea that thier is a connection with Satanism, Demons, Aliens, Fallen Angels.

I think thier is different terms for a fallen angels and perhaps these fallen angels could be multidimesional, actually I think that its very likely that aliens, demons fallen angels etc, are multidemensional and that is why they are able to appear and disappear and are witnessed doing things that defy the laws of our 3D world. I think the Nephilim in the bible could be the offspring of fallen angels and the humans they intermingled with. One thing I find intersting is that a high ranking priest in the Vatican who was close to the pope was considered to be an expert on the two subjects. One is demons and excorcisms and the other was Astronomy and extraterrestrials. Seems odd doesnt it. Look it up, a high ranking expert on demons and extraterrestrials.

Monsignor Corrado Balducci, (born May 11, 1923 in Italy died September 20, 2008 in Italy[1]), was a Roman Catholic theologian of the Vatican Curia,[2] a close friend of the pope,[3] long time exorcist for the Archdiocese of Rome,[2] and a Prelate of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples and the Society for the Propagation of the Faith.[2] He has written several books about the subliminal messages in rock and metal music, diabolic possessions, and extraterrestrials.

[WEAREONE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISKuC6lSMrg&feature=related


I find this video from Dr. Stan Monteith to be very well done. It speaks to the manipulation and corruption of the world and Luciferianism.

Actually this was the intended video link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QhVtlZtYok&feature=relmfu

[WEAREONE]

By the way, I would also like to point out that I think it is also very likley that thier is aliens that are not demons or fallen angels. I find it very difficult to believe that thier is no other life in the univers besides us humans and the so called angels/demons, aliens I am trying to understand.