From plasma crystals and helical structures towards inorganic living matter

[cellardoor]

The molecular biologist Francis Crick who won the Nobel Prize for discovering DNA in 1953 believed DNA was far to complex to have spontaneously arisen via random processes, he proposed a Directed panspermia explanation for the origins of life on Earth, the application of directed panspermia has been proposed as a way to spread life from Earth to other solar systems. For example, microbial payloads launched by solar sails at speeds up to 0.0001 c (30,000 m/s) would reach targets at 10 to 100 light-years in 0.1 million to 1 million years. Fleets of microbial capsules can be aimed at clusters of new stars in star-forming clouds where they may land on planets, or captured by asteroids and comets and later delivered to planets. Payloads may contain extremophiles for diverse environments and cyanobacteria similar to early microorganisms. Hardy multicellular organisms (rotifer cysts) may be included to induce higher evolution.
Philosophically this doesn't explain the origin of life, but it does fit into a materialistic ideology.
In 2000 Professor Ignacio Ochoa Pacheco, took common beach sand, heated it up to white hot luminescence then put it inside a sterilised test tube flooding it with sterilised distilled water and placed it in a vacuum. Despite the thoroughly sterile conditions of the sand, five days later a scum growth was detected on its surface. Close examination under a microscope revealed all manner of biological material. But the most amazing find, nestled within the sand, was a small organism which comprised of 20,000 to 30,000 genes, which approximates to the number we possess and exhibited the makings of an intelligent form of life with a defence mechanism, excretory system a head and a mouth.
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The following link is an Institute of Physics study described by Times of London:
http://iopscience.iop.org/1367-2630/9/8/263/fulltext/


Complex plasmas may naturally self-organize themselves into stable interacting helical structures that exhibit features normally attributed to organic living matter. The self-organization is based on non-trivial physical mechanisms of plasma interactions involving over-screening of plasma polarization. As a result, each helical string composed of solid microparticles is topologically and dynamically controlled by plasma fluxes leading to particle charging and over-screening, the latter providing attraction even among helical strings of the same charge sign. These interacting complex structures exhibit thermodynamic and evolutionary features thought to be peculiar only to living matter such as bifurcations that serve as `memory marks', self-duplication, metabolic rates in a thermodynamically open system, and non-Hamiltonian dynamics.


So if Life just springs out of innate matter, what are the mechanisms for organic actualisation?

[modwiz]

Complex plasmas may naturally self-organize themselves into stable interacting helical structures that exhibit features normally attributed to organic living matter. The self-organization is based on non-trivial physical mechanisms of plasma interactions involving over-screening of plasma polarization. As a result, each helical string composed of solid microparticles is topologically and dynamically controlled by plasma fluxes leading to particle charging and over-screening, the latter providing attraction even among helical strings of the same charge sign. These interacting complex structures exhibit thermodynamic and evolutionary features thought to be peculiar only to living matter such as bifurcations that serve as `memory marks', self-duplication, metabolic rates in a thermodynamically open system, and non-Hamiltonian dynamics.


So if Life just springs out of innate matter, what are the mechanisms for organic actualisation?

Morphogenetic fields. Rupert Sheldrake is the 'father' of this 'theory'. The research presented here makes sense to me. Showing how non-physical organizing forces arrange in-organic matter to be able to carry and receive transmission or coherent energy packets to organize into botanical and biological forms. Crystals and their growth and organization would appear to be a precursor of this process or concept.

[RMorgan]

Hi folks,

Is this just me who thinks there might be a connection with this plasma stuff and crop circles?

Cheers,

Raf.

[cellardoor]

Complex plasmas may naturally self-organize themselves into stable interacting helical structures that exhibit features normally attributed to organic living matter. The self-organization is based on non-trivial physical mechanisms of plasma interactions involving over-screening of plasma polarization. As a result, each helical string composed of solid microparticles is topologically and dynamically controlled by plasma fluxes leading to particle charging and over-screening, the latter providing attraction even among helical strings of the same charge sign. These interacting complex structures exhibit thermodynamic and evolutionary features thought to be peculiar only to living matter such as bifurcations that serve as `memory marks', self-duplication, metabolic rates in a thermodynamically open system, and non-Hamiltonian dynamics.


So if Life just springs out of innate matter, what are the mechanisms for organic actualisation?

Morphogenetic fields. Rupert Sheldrake is the 'father' of this 'theory'. The research presented here makes sense to me. Showing how non-physical organizing forces arrange in-organic matter to be able to carry and receive transmission or coherent energy packets to organize into botanical and biological forms. Crystals and the growth and organization would appear to be a precursor of this process or concept.

Indeed Modwiz, for me it indicates a process of living mathematics, perhaps a teleologically dynamic synthesis of mind and matter. And if Sheldrake is correct mind would be completely non local, dimension less, energy of pure potential. The universe is an equation striving to solve itself. Quite a mind blower.

[Kindred]

And if Sheldrake is correct mind would be completely non local, dimension less, energy of pure potential. The universe is an equation striving to solve itself.

You were expecting something else? ;)

[cellardoor]

Hi folks,

Is this just me who thinks there might be a connection with this plasma stuff and crop circles?

Cheers,

Raf.

Perhaps not. When sand is vibrated at particular frequencies upon metal sheets it forms a geometric shape. This could be happening at the atomic level too giving rise to the structures.
https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTwVa5s35h6rMCPWaY9_hFfsSCeyd8TGa0bhSeaiYnxX5xDtGACvg

[RMorgan]

Hi folks,

Is this just me who thinks there might be a connection with this plasma stuff and crop circles?

Cheers,

Raf.

Perhaps not. When sand is vibrated at particular frequencies upon metal sheets it forms a geometric shape. This could be happening at the atomic level too giving rise to the structures.
https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTwVa5s35h6rMCPWaY9_hFfsSCeyd8TGa0bhSeaiYnxX5xDtGACvg

That´s exactly what I was thinking...

I´ve seen videos of crop circle witnesses saying that they saw bright lights forming the crop structures.

Might be plasma balls or something like that?

Cheers,

Raf.

[modwiz]

Complex plasmas may naturally self-organize themselves into stable interacting helical structures that exhibit features normally attributed to organic living matter. The self-organization is based on non-trivial physical mechanisms of plasma interactions involving over-screening of plasma polarization. As a result, each helical string composed of solid microparticles is topologically and dynamically controlled by plasma fluxes leading to particle charging and over-screening, the latter providing attraction even among helical strings of the same charge sign. These interacting complex structures exhibit thermodynamic and evolutionary features thought to be peculiar only to living matter such as bifurcations that serve as `memory marks', self-duplication, metabolic rates in a thermodynamically open system, and non-Hamiltonian dynamics.


So if Life just springs out of innate matter, what are the mechanisms for organic actualisation?

Morphogenetic fields. Rupert Sheldrake is the 'father' of this 'theory'. The research presented here makes sense to me. Showing how non-physical organizing forces arrange in-organic matter to be able to carry and receive transmission or coherent energy packets to organize into botanical and biological forms. Crystals and the growth and organization would appear to be a precursor of this process or concept.

Indeed Modwiz, for me it indicates a process of living mathematics, perhaps a teleologically dynamic synthesis of mind and matter. And if Sheldrake is correct mind would be completely non local, dimension less, energy of pure potential. The universe is an equation striving to solve itself. Quite a mind blower.

I resonate strongly with the non-local concept of consciousness.

[cellardoor]

Hi folks,

Is this just me who thinks there might be a connection with this plasma stuff and crop circles?

Cheers,

Raf.

Perhaps not. When sand is vibrated at particular frequencies upon metal sheets it forms a geometric shape. This could be happening at the atomic level too giving rise to the structures.
https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTwVa5s35h6rMCPWaY9_hFfsSCeyd8TGa0bhSeaiYnxX5xDtGACvg

That´s exactly what I was thinking...

I´ve seen videos of crop circle witnesses saying that they saw bright lights forming the crop structures.

Might be plasma balls or something like that?

Cheers,

Raf.

I love seeing the geometrically perfect crop circles, they are truly wonderful. Mathematics is subjectively quite beautiful.

[nomadguy]

The molecular biologist Francis Crick who won the Nobel Prize for discovering DNA in 1953 believed DNA was far to complex to have spontaneously arisen via random processes, he proposed a Directed panspermia explanation for the origins of life on Earth, the application of directed panspermia has been proposed as a way to spread life from Earth to other solar systems. For example, microbial payloads launched by solar sails at speeds up to 0.0001 c (30,000 m/s) would reach targets at 10 to 100 light-years in 0.1 million to 1 million years. Fleets of microbial capsules can be aimed at clusters of new stars in star-forming clouds where they may land on planets, or captured by asteroids and comets and later delivered to planets. Payloads may contain extremophiles for diverse environments and cyanobacteria similar to early microorganisms. Hardy multicellular organisms (rotifer cysts) may be included to induce higher evolution.
Philosophically this doesn't explain the origin of life, but it does fit into a materialistic ideology.
In 2000 Professor Ignacio Ochoa Pacheco, took common beach sand, heated it up to white hot luminescence then put it inside a sterilised test tube flooding it with sterilised distilled water and placed it in a vacuum. Despite the thoroughly sterile conditions of the sand, five days later a scum growth was detected on its surface. Close examination under a microscope revealed all manner of biological material. But the most amazing find, nestled within the sand, was a small organism which comprised of 20,000 to 30,000 genes, which approximates to the number we possess and exhibited the makings of an intelligent form of life with a defence mechanism, excretory system a head and a mouth.

The following link is an Institute of Physics study described by Times of London:
http://iopscience.iop.org/1367-2630/9/8/263/fulltext/


Complex plasmas may naturally self-organize themselves into stable interacting helical structures that exhibit features normally attributed to organic living matter. The self-organization is based on non-trivial physical mechanisms of plasma interactions involving over-screening of plasma polarization. As a result, each helical string composed of solid microparticles is topologically and dynamically controlled by plasma fluxes leading to particle charging and over-screening, the latter providing attraction even among helical strings of the same charge sign. These interacting complex structures exhibit thermodynamic and evolutionary features thought to be peculiar only to living matter such as bifurcations that serve as `memory marks', self-duplication, metabolic rates in a thermodynamically open system, and non-Hamiltonian dynamics.


So if Life just springs out of innate matter, what are the mechanisms for organic actualisation?


__________:frog:__________

hmm this springs a thought ~
Could they not have known about "wave-forms"?
Things that are not yet material and that are constantly flying around at incredible speeds. And through all other types of matter. IE the buckyball (http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/pw8l2/question_regarding_particlewave_nature_of/)
The vibration being completely different on some fundamental way.
Occasionally protruding into a realm and creating matter from it's harmonics or fractal structure.
Carry on ~

[cellardoor]

The molecular biologist Francis Crick who won the Nobel Prize for discovering DNA in 1953 believed DNA was far to complex to have spontaneously arisen via random processes, he proposed a Directed panspermia explanation for the origins of life on Earth, the application of directed panspermia has been proposed as a way to spread life from Earth to other solar systems. For example, microbial payloads launched by solar sails at speeds up to 0.0001 c (30,000 m/s) would reach targets at 10 to 100 light-years in 0.1 million to 1 million years. Fleets of microbial capsules can be aimed at clusters of new stars in star-forming clouds where they may land on planets, or captured by asteroids and comets and later delivered to planets. Payloads may contain extremophiles for diverse environments and cyanobacteria similar to early microorganisms. Hardy multicellular organisms (rotifer cysts) may be included to induce higher evolution.
Philosophically this doesn't explain the origin of life, but it does fit into a materialistic ideology.
In 2000 Professor Ignacio Ochoa Pacheco, took common beach sand, heated it up to white hot luminescence then put it inside a sterilised test tube flooding it with sterilised distilled water and placed it in a vacuum. Despite the thoroughly sterile conditions of the sand, five days later a scum growth was detected on its surface. Close examination under a microscope revealed all manner of biological material. But the most amazing find, nestled within the sand, was a small organism which comprised of 20,000 to 30,000 genes, which approximates to the number we possess and exhibited the makings of an intelligent form of life with a defence mechanism, excretory system a head and a mouth.

The following link is an Institute of Physics study described by Times of London:
http://iopscience.iop.org/1367-2630/9/8/263/fulltext/


Complex plasmas may naturally self-organize themselves into stable interacting helical structures that exhibit features normally attributed to organic living matter. The self-organization is based on non-trivial physical mechanisms of plasma interactions involving over-screening of plasma polarization. As a result, each helical string composed of solid microparticles is topologically and dynamically controlled by plasma fluxes leading to particle charging and over-screening, the latter providing attraction even among helical strings of the same charge sign. These interacting complex structures exhibit thermodynamic and evolutionary features thought to be peculiar only to living matter such as bifurcations that serve as `memory marks', self-duplication, metabolic rates in a thermodynamically open system, and non-Hamiltonian dynamics.


So if Life just springs out of innate matter, what are the mechanisms for organic actualisation?


__________:frog:__________

hmm this springs a thought ~
Could they not have known about "wave-forms"?
Things that are not yet material and that are constantly flying around at incredible speeds. And through all other types of matter. IE the buckyball (http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/pw8l2/question_regarding_particlewave_nature_of/)
The vibration being completely different on some fundamental way.
Occasionally protruding into a realm and creating matter from it's harmonics or fractal structure.
Carry on ~

Physicist Paul Davies says, "[Heisenberg's uncertainty principle] states, roughly speaking, that all physical quantities are intrinsically a bit uncertain and can undergo rapid spontaneous fluctuations. For example, energy can suddenly appear from nowhere in empty space so long as it fades away again quickly. By briefly "borrowing" energy out of the blue, a subatomic particle can, for example, leap out of a trap - a process that underlies the phenomenon of alpha radioactivity. The Heisenberg principle is a rule for payback on the energy loan: the shorter the loan, the more the energy on offer."

Borrowing energy "Out of the blue" implies an unknown domain of energy as you say perhaps a harmonic or fractal reality from which matter arises. I would say that dimensionless energy (mind/psychic energy) can be transformed into dimensional energy and back again, and that process can occur over brief durations on a hyper-microscopic scale or over much longer time scales on a macroscopic scale (as in the case of Big Bang and black hole singularities); there is no question of anything appearing from nowhere in empty space. And
Processes requiring dimensional energy are able to tap into an infinite reservoir of dimensionless energy on a hyper-microscopic scale and use if for a brief duration; there is no question of anything being miraculously borrowed out of the blue…"

In other words Quantum physics could solve the age old mind matter dualism by demonstrating that mind is a fundamental property of matter and in a constant feedback loop with eachother. Thus causal materialism is replaced with a self solving universe. Determinism is replaced with self determinism, the philosophical implications on free will is restored to it's primacy.

[cellardoor]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lan_vital

Élan vital was coined by French philosopher Henri Bergson in his 1907 book Creative Evolution, in which he addresses the question of self-organisation and spontaneous morphogenesis of things in an increasingly complex manner. Elan vital was translated in the English edition as "vital impetus", but is usually translated by his detractors as "vital force". It is a hypothetical explanation for evolution and development of organisms, which Bergson linked closely with consciousness.
It was believed by others that this essence (élan vital) could be harvested and embedded into an inanimate substance and activated with electricity, perhaps taking literally another of Bergson's metaphorical descriptions, the "current of life". The British biologist Julian Huxley remarked that Bergson’s élan vital is no better an explanation of life than is explaining the operation of a railway engine by its élan locomotif ("locomotive driving force"). The same epistemological fallacy is parodied in Molière's Le Malade imaginaire, where a quack "answers" the question of "Why does opium cause sleep?" with "Because of its soporific power."[1]
Huxley happily used the term élan vital in a more metaphorical sense, as may be seen from the following excerpt:
"When I was just last in New York, I went for a walk, leaving Fifth Avenue and the Business section behind me, into the crowded streets near the Bowery. And while I was there, I had a sudden feeling of relief and confidence. There was Bergson’s élan vital—there was assimilation causing life to exert as much pressure, though embodied here in the shape of men, as it has ever done in the earliest year of evolution: there was the driving force of progress"
—lecture 1, n.p.,[cite this quote] J. Huxley papers
A distant precursor of Bergson can be found in the work of the pre-Christian Stoic philosopher Posidonius, who postulated a "vital force" emanated by the sun to all living creatures on the Earth's surface. The concept of élan vital is similar to Schopenhauer's concept of the will-to-live.
The French philosopher Gilles Deleuze attempted to recoup the novelty of Bergson's idea in his book Bergsonism, though the term itself underwent substantial changes by Deleuze. No longer considered a mystical, elusive force acting on brute matter, as it was in the vitalist debates of the late 19th century, élan vital in Deleuze's hands denotes a substance in which the distinction between organic and inorganic matter is indiscernible, and the emergence of life undecidable.
The notion of élan vital also had considerable influence on the psychiatrist and phenomenologist Eugène Minkowski and his own concept of a personal élan.

[cellardoor]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17769529
Evolution seen in 'synthetic DNA'

[Flash]

[QUOTE=nomadguy;460017][QUOTE=cellardoor;459904]


Physicist Paul Davies says, .... For example, energy can suddenly appear from nowhere in empty space so long as it fades away again quickly. By briefly "borrowing" energy out of the blue, a subatomic particle can, for example, leap out of a trap - a process that underlies the phenomenon of alpha radioactivity. The Heisenberg principle is a rule for payback on the energy loan: the shorter the loan, the more the energy on offer."
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Could that, by any chance, be linked to "leap out of a trap" or leap out of the matrix we are deeply ingrained in?