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seigiarchon
5th April 2012, 21:09
A few days ago, I read a pamphlet about how Jesus was born in this world two thousand years ago to suffer for the bad karma of mankind..

A sudden realization came to me then..

I was thinking that if Jesus was to reincarnate in this world, he wouldn't choose to suffer for a race of animal-like humans who are only obsessed with breeding, slaving, eating and defecating..

The next Jesus would only choose to suffer for a race of humans who choose to be monks, nuns and gods...

seigiarchon
5th April 2012, 21:13
after two thousand years, mankind has not only not improved from the teachings of jesus christ.. they have devolved so much that the true teachings of jesus have been perverted..

no the next Jesus would gives a facepalm and a middle finger to humankind before flying away..

:cool:

ThePythonicCow
5th April 2012, 21:48
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christian
5th April 2012, 21:55
That Jesus died for the salvation of mankind and their sins is one of the crass perversions of his teachings, imho. Where's the self-responsibility in that? He surely suffered, but that wasn't his purpose, it was his burden. He cannot "save" anyone anyways, everybody is in charge of his own salvation. Jesus has been on earth, because he was needed and he had a huge impact as he showed people the way of love and I appreciate that regardless of all the distortions in contemporary organized christianity. Where it's darkest, the challenge to make a difference is the hardest, that's where the real trailblazers go, throwing themselves into it. The compassionate ones cannot just leave those in the dark to themselves, they feel an urge to help, no matter how stupid the ones in the dark may behave.

Kristin
6th April 2012, 03:45
This thread is now reopened for business...

From the Heart,
Kristin

another bob
6th April 2012, 04:07
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Ellisa
6th April 2012, 04:41
seigiarchon- you really don't like other humans much do you?

Surely if Christ came to suffer for us, by your own reckoning he would have come to the right place. That is if existence is in fact the grim and unrelenting toil you seem to find it.

Perhaps if you looked to find the good in other people you would not be posting of the unrelenting misery of your fellow humans, and possibly, leave rescuing them to others, or possibly god. Or you could actually help these suffering people instead of moaning about them. There's plenty to be done.

seigiarchon
6th April 2012, 04:56
seigiarchon- you really don't like other humans much do you?

Surely if Christ came to suffer for us, by your own reckoning he would have come to the right place. That is if existence is in fact the grim and unrelenting toil you seem to find it.

Perhaps if you looked to find the good in other people you would not be posting of the unrelenting misery of your fellow humans, and possibly, leave rescuing them to others, or possibly god. Or you could actually help these suffering people instead of moaning about them. There's plenty to be done.

why do you think people suffer in the first place?

seigiarchon
6th April 2012, 05:06
That Jesus died for the salvation of mankind and their sins is one of the crass perversions of his teachings, imho. Where's the self-responsibility in that? He surely suffered, but that wasn't his purpose, it was his burden. He cannot "save" anyone anyways, everybody is in charge of his own salvation. Jesus has been on earth, because he was needed and he had a huge impact as he showed people the way of love and I appreciate that regardless of all the distortions in contemporary organized christianity. Where it's darkest, the challenge to make a difference is the hardest, that's where the real trailblazers go, throwing themselves into it. The compassionate ones cannot just leave those in the dark to themselves, they feel an urge to help, no matter how stupid the ones in the dark may behave.

Put yourself in Jesus' shoes for a moment.

You came here 2000 years ago. You tried to spread the teachings of God and Enlightenment to the masses. When the Romans come for you, you even said,"alright, if I need to die in order to teach the masses, so be it."

But 2000 years later, you discover that the teachings of God and Enlightenment have been constantly ignored by the masses and oppressed by the rich working for the forces of darkness. The Vatican destroyed the Knight Templars and the Essenes. The Damn Chinese destroyed not only their own spiritual teachings but that of the Tibetans as well.

DO you think humanity has improved from over 2000 years ago? I would say humanity has devolved instead of evolved. And I am not talking about humanity's intelligence. I am talking about the Spirits, the Souls of humans.

There is this saying,"spare the rod and spoil the child"

I think humanity has been spoilt far too many times and it is time for God and other Higher Beings to use the rod to smack some sense into humanity.

There are far too many who are in the dark because they refuse to come out of the dark.

The best lessons are the hardest ones. Sometimes pain is needed for stubborn souls to learn very effective lessons.

thunder24
6th April 2012, 05:12
how could any one say what "jesus" did or didn't do ....thinks or thought?

peace

Ellisa
6th April 2012, 05:14
There are of course countless reasons for suffering as there are countless reasons to experience joy. Emphasising the latter will help get rid of the former. Looking for happiness and being optimistic, even in perilous situations will achieve more than being discontented and miserable. I do not believe in any god so I have no one to blame for my misfortunes but me--- I just work it out as best I can, and continue -- mostly it has turned out OK. There is plenty of happiness to be found anywhere! Look for the good things that are happening, and enjoy the happiness of others with them. Don't focus on the suffering, it will pass- especially if you give it a nudge in the right direction.

Forrest Gump was right--- and life is what you make it.

another bob
6th April 2012, 05:23
how could any one say what "jesus" did or didn't do ....thinks or thought?

peace


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seigiarchon
6th April 2012, 05:29
There are of course countless reasons for suffering as there are countless reasons to experience joy. Emphasising the latter will help get rid of the former. Looking for happiness and being optimistic, even in perilous situations will achieve more than being discontented and miserable. I do not believe in any god so I have no one to blame for my misfortunes but me--- I just work it out as best I can, and continue -- mostly it has turned out OK. There is plenty of happiness to be found anywhere! Look for the good things that are happening, and enjoy the happiness of others with them. Don't focus on the suffering, it will pass- especially if you give it a nudge in the right direction.

Forrest Gump was right--- and life is what you make it.

see this is origin of all suffering.. happiness..

happiness is the origin of all suffering..

it is because the masses everywhere has been so brainwashed, by the media, the government, the schools and universities and even their own family into looking for happiness.. into searching for happiness.. that they never realize that the happiness which they are looking for is an impermanent illusion..

the masses have been fooled into thinking that the only objective of our so-short lives is to constantly search for happiness..

but this is foolish thinking.. how can anything on this world give you happiness? as in permanent, everlasting happiness?..

tell me.. how can one find permanent, everlasting happiness on earth? where can i find permanent, everlasting happiness on earth?

no happiness is permanent, no happiness is everlasting..

the only way to transcend suffering is to transcend the search for "happiness".. where there is happiness, there will be sadness..

see as i am typing this.. some forces/energies are playing around with my internet connection so i know i am saying the right thingy...

Seikou-Kishi
6th April 2012, 06:09
You said happiness is the source of suffering and then go over to say that it's the search for happiness. That's quite different, like saying looking for food is the cause of hunger. In this case, then, it is not happiness which is the cause of suffering, but the apparent futility of the search for it. If one bush produces no berries, look on a different bush instead of insisting that the bush should be in fruit.

That is the cause of suffering: Instead of taking a pragmatic approach to happiness and really looking for it, we stand there getting all frustrated saying just because it isn't under the rock we insist it should be under, it doesn't really exist and we should all get all emo over the spartan pessimism of the world. If you can't find it, perhaps you're looking in the wrong places. It's another leap in inductive reasoning to insist that just because you can't find it, it never existed anyway; better to question your map-reading skills than to say Austria never existed because you ended up in Germany.

Tane Mahuta
6th April 2012, 06:26
seigiarchon- you really don't like other humans much do you?.

seig...." We are Spiritual Beings having a physical experience "

Here are some names to research.....

Jordon Maxwell (religion, Bible & symbology) Divid Icke (everything)

don't read pamphlets...immerse yourself in research my friend...

"We suffer because it is an experience we needed to have"

nuff said

TM

panopticon
6th April 2012, 07:00
Put yourself in Jesus' shoes for a moment.
You came here 2000 years ago. You tried to spread the teachings of God and Enlightenment to the masses. When the Romans come for you, you even said,"alright, if I need to die in order to teach the masses, so be it."
But 2000 years later, you discover that the teachings of God and Enlightenment have been constantly ignored by the masses and oppressed by the rich working for the forces of darkness. The Vatican destroyed the Knight Templars and the Essenes. The Damn Chinese destroyed not only their own spiritual teachings but that of the Tibetans as well.
DO you think humanity has improved from over 2000 years ago? I would say humanity has devolved instead of evolved. And I am not talking about humanity's intelligence. I am talking about the Spirits, the Souls of humans.
There is this saying,"spare the rod and spoil the child"
I think humanity has been spoilt far too many times and it is time for God and other Higher Beings to use the rod to smack some sense into humanity.

G'day Seigiarchon,

Interesting perspective. Thank you for your opinion.

I believe that you have based your argument on a faulty premise that presupposes the existence of a mythologised Christ figure. From my perspective the Jesus you speak of never existed but is an historical construction used as a means of control by persons and/or groups unknown (though I admit favouring the argument that the Jesus figure was constructed as a means of explaining the destruction of the 2nd Temple, in 70 CE, and the lack of the anticipated appearance of a messianic figure [though there were a number of claimants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_messiah_claimants)]).

I also don't follow your devolve/evolve argument but am sure you have a way of saying how bronze and iron age people were more "evolved" than modern humanity. I don't see any real difference myself, excluding technological advances of course, but that's just my opinion.

By the way you seem to have simplified the destruction of the Knights Templar to prove a point. The Vatican didn't destroy the Knights Templar alone (some say that Pope Clement V (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Clement_V) didn't want to) and much of the pressure on the Pope came from King Philip IV of France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_IV_of_France) because he owed a massive amount of money to the Knights Templar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Knights_Templar#Fall).

The Essenes were not destroyed by the Vatican (it didn't exist in the first and second century CE). They were oppressed by the Romans in the first Century CE (during the Jewish revolt) and while the second century versions of Christianity didn't agree with their teachings they were not in a position to destroy anything (mostly these "churches" were little meetings in peoples kitchens and not the monolithic structure it became).

Also, from my perspective, you are arguing that a mythological figure of control would be disappointed and needs to "smack some sense into humanity". I'm not trying to change the topic, just wanted to put a different perspective to the Judeo-Christian dominated discourse that permeates the New Age (Rapture/Ascension) movement. I find it really interesting to trace these discursive processes and try to follow the various influences that have had a formative effect on humanities development.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

GK76
6th April 2012, 09:59
Happiness = suffering? The same could be said of the other options too, all are open to abuse/manipulation/delusion etc.

Should we live our lives in fear of living just because there are sick individuals who seek pleasure in the suffering of others, or that life may challenge us and we have to get off of our arses and actually do something about it? That seems like a mediocre life to me.

Many years ago my Doctor made the snap judgement that I was suffering from depression and promptly wrote a prescription for antidepressants. I asked him what they did. He said that it would stabilize my mood so that I won't feel so low... but also that It will remove the chance of positive moods too. I told him that I would prefer to have the mood swings rather than feel nothing. To me, no feeling = death on so many levels. To me the middle road seems pointless (the avoidance of happiness and unhappiness), as all I'd be waiting for is death.

If you think that life is suffering then it may be time to reset your focus in life to something more worthy. Is this a form of delusion? Maybe, but a controlled delusion is far more healthy than a delusion which sees us deny 'the truth' (as opposed to our personal truth, which is whatever we want it to be).

I believe that Jesus (let's assume that he was real) made the right call. He came here with a purpose and saw it through regardless of the suffering... because he had a cause, an unselfish cause. Could he have just been a puppet, a fictional character in a book, or even a regular person with the hero syndrome? On face value he seems like a spiritually advanced person with a drive to teach the willing and protect the ignorant.

My take on this is that there is no point attaching the labels 'happiness' and 'suffering'. To me avoidance of our natural path IS suffering, regardless whether it is fraught with challenges and danger.

This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.
- William Shakespeare

Well, I'm tired so I hope this stuff makes sense. :)

9eagle9
6th April 2012, 11:30
Maybe Jesus will return to beat up all the horrid women that corrupted the world.

Naw...men couldn't do anything about that sort of corruption then, they can't do anything about it now.

Maybe Mary Magadelene will.

christian
6th April 2012, 12:45
the teachings of God and Enlightenment have been constantly ignored by the masses and oppressed by the rich working for the forces of darkness.

DO you think humanity has improved from over 2000 years ago?

I think humanity has been spoilt far too many times and it is time for God and other Higher Beings to use the rod to smack some sense into humanity.

The best lessons are the hardest ones. Sometimes pain is needed for stubborn souls to learn very effective lessons.

It's a heavy oversimplification to say, that the teachings have been constantly ignored and destroyed. It's true in many instances, but I know many people who prove the opposite, who didn't/don't ignore and destroy.

It's hard to put a finger on just how much humanity has evolved/devolved, as this is very complex, in some fields we evolved, in some fields not, I guess. There's still plenty of unnecessary suffering but I also see many people taking action with head and heart to make a difference.

We are the creators of our own fate, no need for God or Jesus to spank us. If we don't get it right, we'll create hell on earth anyways. Being spanked is not a very hard lesson compared to finding out, that it's not an external force, that gives us reward or punishment for what we do. Much harder than being spanked is eventually realizing, that it is us ourselves, who inflict suffering on ourselves through our own behaviour and there is no one else to blame. We are responsible and have been all along, we are "God and the higher beings".

I think we're collectively about to create a new paradigm. However, many people indeed seem to want no part of it and it's their own choice. I thinks it's absolutely possible, that many people die during the shift and upheaval, because they are not willing to adapt. No need for anybody to smack them, it's they themselves doing it, by their own stubbornness they will get themselves into life-endangering situations. There are those that want to struggle and fight with each other and don't want to live in a world, where this is not the norm. They'll get what they desire. Life is more than just the number of years in those mortal vessels, there's plenty of opportunity in the cosmos to experience everything.

As for the happiness issue, there are many happy people who couldn't believe your premise if they wanted, I'm one of them. Buddha said: "There is no way to happiness, happiness is the way." It's a state of being. In my personal experience it's derived from the knowledge, that everywhere and always there is love permeating everything, whether people use their free will to tune into it or not, but this cosmic force is always there - to assist, guide, nurture, inspire, soothe and help.

percival tyro
6th April 2012, 13:56
HI seigiarchon, A while ago two ladies (Jehova's Witnesses) came to my door. They showed me a picture in their book of a handsome young man, a beautiful young woman. and a benign and noble lion lying next to a young lamb.I think they said." This is about to come in the kingdom of heaven. When the lion shall lie down with the lamb". I asked them is it OK to have the lamb with mint sauce now, then move on and be friends. The eldest one said that the Lord said that we have dominion over the animals and that eating them is OK this time around. I think that she meant after the flood and the covenant. Could this be a King James revision.

Rantaak
6th April 2012, 21:40
We suffer from our misconceptions.

Every human being is Jesus. And Lucifer. Some sleep, some are lucid.

So it goes...

MargueriteBee
6th April 2012, 22:24
My happiness is my responsibility as is my forgiveness.

Godiam
6th April 2012, 22:54
I wrote this poem at Easter 12 years ago, and thought I would share it now!


CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS

A Man was strung up on a cross
For saying what He believed
He told Us, We are the Children of GOD
And GOD has now decreed

That We should Love One Another
It is the only way to Live
We can Create Heaven on Earth
If We just learn to give

And, as is quite normal
We killed the Prince of Peace
Then We ignored the message
And got down on our knees

Now, Two thousand years have passed
Things are beginning to change
We need not be Indoctrinated
To be CHRISTED is not strange

Jesus was the Man on the cross
CHRIST is the ENERGY
This Loving, Peaceful feeling
Is available to You and Me

He lives inside our hearts
So We are never apart
And this is where He will stay
Until time passes away!


HUGS...........Godiam

Cilka
6th April 2012, 23:51
Seigiarchon, while you were asleep Jesus has already reincarnated numerous times already, and no one noticed, including you. If I met Jesus I would tell him to stay in 5D for a while until it will be worth for him to be reincarnated again. He has wasted enough of his precious time already.

Endity
7th April 2012, 00:02
I think we need to be our own salvation. I think far to many people look to the heavens for help. If there is a god he put it within us all to deal with all situations. No matter how fierce or terrible they are there are always lessons to be learned. I also believe those lessons we go through can help others as they go through theirs. I surely won't be looking for jesus to come back to save me as I will have already saved my self from my own confusion, grief, sadness ect. Keep things positive, shower people with kindness, be the best person you can be.

Maia Gabrial
7th April 2012, 00:09
I'm sorry you feel so much hatred for Earth humans, seigarchon. If the story of Jesus returning to help humanity is true, then it would be because he really LOVED them. I doubt he thought of them as animals because he had taken that form himself so that he could understand what we're going through.
But you don't understand, do you, seigarchon? You choose to focus on all the negative things in the world without seeing ANY of the good. Start focusing on what's right about people, even if it's insignificant stuff. It may be difficult at first, but you'll start seeing it. Before long, you'll become emotional over how much good you see in people.
IMO, you're the one who's hurting inside....

Ellisa
7th April 2012, 00:33
seig- You misunderstand the nature of happiness wilfully if you equate happiness with the cause of suffering. I did not suggest pursuing happiness, I suggested allowing yourself to experience contentment, allowing yourself to share the joy of others, to discover the joy of being alive. You will never experience happiness unless you practise it. As Aristotle (I think! it was) suggested, the only way to learn about something is to do it. I am not talking about happy consuming but I am suggesting that the discoveries of small everyday pleasures can lead to a day full of contentment, joy, and, yes, happiness.

No one can force you to be happy, but trying to be positive in your everyday life will enable to you enjoy it a lot more than sitting around wondering if some deity will manifest sometime and only monks and nuns will survive the experience. Well, that's my opinion anyway!

ljwheat
7th April 2012, 02:04
"""Codependency (or codependence, co-narcissism or inverted narcissism) is unhealthy love and a tendency to behave in overly passive or excessively caretaking ways that harm one's relationships and quality of life. It also often involves placing a lower priority on one's own needs, while being excessively preoccupied with the needs of others.[1] Codependency can occur in any type of relationship, including family, work, friendship, and also romantic, peer or community relationships.[1] Codependency may also be characterized by denial, low self-esteem, excessive compliance, or control patterns.[1] Narcissists are considered to be natural magnets for the codependent."""

:noidea:Why would a King, commission a Catholic church to put together a book in a manner that would forever enslave those who fallow its words into a life of codependency. By a narcissistic God and a codependent son of God.

When I took possession of this human form, :cell: I did not consult these kings, gods or sons of gods. These beings are trapped in the forth dimension were they have been trying to hide there identity in love and light since we started arriving in mass from out side the higher dimensions they seem to be trapped in. These bed time story’s of old are still capturing and enslaving the minds of the young to codependency, then children raising children to the point of I will kill you if you do not believe my Narcissistic ways to the letter. Passed on from generation to generation. :wizard:


The 4th Dimension, were these beings of light emanate, are loving, and caring and do miracles, and magic to fill our every narcissistic want’s and belief’s to the letter. Hook line and sinker. “We came from a higher place then these so called Gods and savior’s the grass is greener on the other side of 3D, I’m God believe in me, your nothing, Codependent slavery smoke and mirror’s 4D demy Gods.” Think about it-- if I am eternal:? ”no beginning, no end.” What pray tell do I need with a God, or a son of a God. I am over a God in my core being, above were these Gods say they need us to believe in. These bed time story’s have put over 90% of the world to sleep for century’s, few are awake to the title of the Ancient Ones, Sure ET may have played with DNA ,the house that Jack built, the essence that took possession of this house came from beyond even there grasp or the 4th playgrounds and 3d Chemistry sets.


The vase the flowers are displayed in, can not change the flower that’s placed in its care. It will always be a flower that I am no matter what label its given. We are the Ancient Ones, let go of the story’s --- remember how you began this possession, this ride. You brought yourself here and now, --- they didn’t --- remember? There is no beginning or end. (just story’s from the 4th dimension of love and light) and you came in from out side of all that fantasy smoke and mirror’s. Too a world of shiny glass and a hole lot of smoke.:gossip:

:tape: IMHO I may be totally wrong. :der:

mosquito
7th April 2012, 02:16
Put yourself in Jesus' shoes for a moment.



Sandals, surely ?

jorr lundstrom
7th April 2012, 02:55
ljwheat. beautiful post. I know exact wot you are saying. Thank you.


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/Iceland5.jpg


All is well


Jorr 2.0

davyj0nes
7th April 2012, 04:22
humans judge themselves too harshly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBwoEXlTph0

ljwheat
7th April 2012, 04:37
Excellent spot on davyjOnes.

gypsybutterflykiss
7th April 2012, 07:00
All that comes to mind....

Jesus loves you..

he will never turn his back on anyone.


As much as humanity is "F*#C*&D"... we're doing good. Really good- And I speak as a whole....

there are alot that are sleeping...
and thats whats his words were about..
awakening...

sure,
they've been lost and perverted along the way.

but don't don't forget--
is 10 to 1...
positive vs negetive..

and this planet is about duelity...


chins up y'all........

and,


I don't think SERG'S a troll..
he's been dealt a ****ty hand in life.


>>>>>>>>>>>>> so let's puke puke rainbows on him and shower him with love.


poor guy.. :(

I think you'ld have had a different reaction if you said, "PRIESTS"...

so- blahhhhhhhhhhhh (*AS I PUKE &PUKE RAINBOWS*)

ohh..... that bitter duelity...
just be....


you all realize- when there's now duelity left, theres no reason to be here....
don't cut yourselves short.

if everything was perfect,,
is there even a point to all this?

cellardoor
7th April 2012, 18:05
There Once was a man named Jesus
whose aim was to lie and deceive us
He claimed godly power, but cometh the hour
our faith will never redeem us

Cartomancer
7th April 2012, 21:42
Put yourself in Jesus' shoes for a moment.
You came here 2000 years ago. You tried to spread the teachings of God and Enlightenment to the masses. When the Romans come for you, you even said,"alright, if I need to die in order to teach the masses, so be it."
But 2000 years later, you discover that the teachings of God and Enlightenment have been constantly ignored by the masses and oppressed by the rich working for the forces of darkness. The Vatican destroyed the Knight Templars and the Essenes. The Damn Chinese destroyed not only their own spiritual teachings but that of the Tibetans as well.
DO you think humanity has improved from over 2000 years ago? I would say humanity has devolved instead of evolved. And I am not talking about humanity's intelligence. I am talking about the Spirits, the Souls of humans.
There is this saying,"spare the rod and spoil the child"
I think humanity has been spoilt far too many times and it is time for God and other Higher Beings to use the rod to smack some sense into humanity.

G'day Seigiarchon,

Interesting perspective. Thank you for your opinion.

I believe that you have based your argument on a faulty premise that presupposes the existence of a mythologised Christ figure. From my perspective the Jesus you speak of never existed but is an historical construction used as a means of control by persons and/or groups unknown (though I admit favouring the argument that the Jesus figure was constructed as a means of explaining the destruction of the 2nd Temple, in 70 CE, and the lack of the anticipated appearance of a messianic figure [though there were a number of claimants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_messiah_claimants)]).

I also don't follow your devolve/evolve argument but am sure you have a way of saying how bronze and iron age people were more "evolved" than modern humanity. I don't see any real difference myself, excluding technological advances of course, but that's just my opinion.

By the way you seem to have simplified the destruction of the Knights Templar to prove a point. The Vatican didn't destroy the Knights Templar alone (some say that Pope Clement V (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Clement_V) didn't want to) and much of the pressure on the Pope came from King Philip IV of France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_IV_of_France) because he owed a massive amount of money to the Knights Templar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Knights_Templar#Fall).

The Essenes were not destroyed by the Vatican (it didn't exist in the first and second century CE). They were oppressed by the Romans in the first Century CE (during the Jewish revolt) and while the second century versions of Christianity didn't agree with their teachings they were not in a position to destroy anything (mostly these "churches" were little meetings in peoples kitchens and not the monolithic structure it became).

Also, from my perspective, you are arguing that a mythological figure of control would be disappointed and needs to "smack some sense into humanity". I'm not trying to change the topic, just wanted to put a different perspective to the Judeo-Christian dominated discourse that permeates the New Age (Rapture/Ascension) movement. I find it really interesting to trace these discursive processes and try to follow the various influences that have had a formative effect on humanities development.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon3

What great point of view. Everyone should listen to the Atwill interview on Red Ice(link below). He espouses the same point of view.

I kind of think that Christ actually existed. This period was a time of the "Messianic Movement" in the Hebrew religion. The Romans recognized that this could be a problem so they may have co-opted the word of Christ as well as creating the prediction that he made that the Temple would be destroyed when it was.

I also see signs of the same manipulation being attempted with the Prophet Mohammed. The Muslims seemed to have figured out the game and rejected it all before it was too late. In the beginning Muslims prayed towards the Dome of the Rock until Mohammed changed the Holy City to Mecca. He may have realized what the Temple Mount and the Dome of the Rock actually were and did not dig it. Here's a link to the Joseph Atwill interview on Red Ice.

http://http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/02/RIR-120218.php

Beren
7th April 2012, 22:10
Jesus must have had a face palm quite often by looking at humanity...

:rolleyes:

another bob
7th April 2012, 22:52
If Jesus returned today . . .


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778 neighbour of some guy
8th April 2012, 11:24
If Jesus returned today . . .


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conk
10th April 2012, 17:50
Wow, seems like Christians are going to need a brand new Bible. The newer, zany version should have a lot more hate in it, and THAT will be hard to do.