Planetary alignments = 'killshot" potential Dec 2012 - factual research

[avid]

http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm
Thanks to George Ure and his great contacts - check this out - it is scientific, therefore plausible.

An UrbanSurvival Exclusive
Solar Kill Shot in December?
Killshot or Pole Shift? We depart, momentarily, from our usual focus on longwave economics (and the evolution of the Second Depression despite the joys of the latest Jobs report from the government which we will get to in a second) to focus on the latest work from 2012 researcher Patrick Geryl who has given UrbanSurvival exclusive permission (link back required) to report the latest research into the possibility of a large solar event in December of this year. We begin with this note from Patrick:
"Hi George,

After 4 weeks of calculating like crazy... I found some very disturbing facts....

You are the first to know this.... You may publish first...Will be next week on my website... www.howtosurvive2012.com

Enclosed my findings... Need an extra week to check the dates from June to end of the year... But that is not so important...

He was kind enough to extract the highlights of a 36-page report (with diagrams) that he will be posting to his website www.howtosurvive2012.com next week...but you need to visit the site well before then, since the whole 2012 field is hugely complex and there is much to read, much to ponder...and Patrick's research stands head and shoulders above most of what's out there on the net.

Now, before we get into Patrick's research, we need to explore the idea that since we had the Carrington Event of 1859, we may be able to make some inferences by study of planet positions in that period to see if something similar is coming up. As you may know, we're in the ramp up to the peak of the present solar cycle which will be in peak from late this year into early 2013.

From the Marshall Space Flight Center, where the Solar Prediction teams work for NASA we can see that this solar cycle will be much more modest than its predecessor Cycle 23.

Cycle 24 is expecting (picking up from the NASA site) "...Cycle 24 gives a smoothed sunspot number maximum of about 61 in the Spring of 2013. We are currently over three years into Cycle 24. The current predicted size makes this the smallest sunspot cycle in about 100 years. "
much more on link - advisory - please read the data related to that link.
Thank you
Avid

[DreamsInDigital]

And , yet again another fear mongering false prediction that will not come to pass has surfaced. When will we all learn to ignore these completely and not waist any energy or thoughts on these things? With all do respect to the OP ofcourse.

[TargeT]

And , yet again another fear mongering false prediction that will not come to pass has surfaced. When will we all learn to ignore these completely and not waist any energy or thoughts on these things? With all do respect to the OP ofcourse.

I will read this link (have not yet) but my instincts say this is not a baseless warning, I wouldn't discount this as its been brought to my attention (fractally) many times now (though is this a true pattern or a planted one, I am not sure).

[goinghome2012]

And , yet again another fear mongering false prediction that will not come to pass has surfaced. When will we all learn to ignore these completely and not waist any energy or thoughts on these things? With all do respect to the OP ofcourse.

cosmic cycles come and end and this one is about to end with all the disasters; you can be in denial of omega point or embrace the end of days.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Well, no one here gets out alive.:o

[Operator]

Wow, another can of worms.


check this out - it is scientific, therefore plausible.

Formally it's not scientific, Patrick Geryl has no degree in science (he said so himself).
However, I don't care about degrees. Most brilliant minds have no degree, it often helps if education doesn't
mess up the minds of natural talents. ;)



And , yet again another fear mongering false prediction that will not come to pass has surfaced. When will we all learn to ignore these completely and not waist any energy or thoughts on these things?


I understand what you mean but your conclusion may be too fast drawn ...
Governments are preparing, moving their locations to higher grounds and FEMA is not stacking coffins just for fun.
Somehow, somewhere there must be truth in some of the predictions. So completely ignore it might not be such a good idea.



Well, no one here gets out alive.

Correct, if you die then try to do it consciously (without fear). When you realize you're an eternal spirit you know the only thing
you have to worry about is preparation for your return (there must be people physically left over to sustain the reincarnation cycle).

I sometimes think back and remember the scene from Lord of the rings where they cannot hold their positions at Helms deep.
They decide to ride out and engage the enemy one more time. The moment they decide to do that their intention changes the
situation ... they're no longer victims. When they ride out Gandalf shows up.

So when are WE going to decide ?

[avid]

It was an ADVISORY!!!
I've taken all the doubters on board - and I am at the head of the queue. So there WILL be astronomical alignments, stuff happens when these things align - I check the LISS daily, I watch for coronal holes, I check for weird effects on earth due to all of these things. What's wrong with being prepared for such events? As long as those who purportedly 'care' for us in the vast utilities industries actually DO care, we should be OK. It's up to us to make these 'guardians' of our utilities put all of their profits into protection of their services, to ensure we all survive any weird 'glitches', and have back-up upon backup of which we are aware should any SHTF!!!
Where are their 'shareholders'? We are their customers. Demand answers, plans and any action in their 'pipelines'.

Avid

[OnyxKnight]

And , yet again another fear mongering false prediction that will not come to pass has surfaced. When will we all learn to ignore these completely and not waist any energy or thoughts on these things? With all do respect to the OP ofcourse.

If you knew the mechanics of what cycle 24 is you wouldn't jump with an assumption like that.

[DreamsInDigital]

I prefer to remain realistic and practical, but aware. And keep stock of all the things that were supposed to happen by now but haven't including all the ones that have been stopped/prevented by Off Worlders, and my own inner sense of knowing, plus I'm an incarnate. I know the world /humanity is not going to end for a really really long time. The government isn't going to get to use their FEMA camps, etc like they were planning. And no it's not denial. I've seen the writing on the wall. This is the only planet where the complete human genome resides, we're to valuable to "them" to let humanity be destroyed. I wouldn't be here and neither would the other incarnates if we didn't know coming into this that we'd be the ones declaring victory in the end.

Question though, have you noticed despite vast amounts of hard evidence supporting humanity dating back tens of thousands of years longer than accepted history that no "end of the world" prophecies date before around 11,000 B.C. ? (I actually know why this is, and why this is significant) And even the seed sources those are all based on don't talk about the end of the world but the coming of a new age of peace and prosperity.

All other End Of World or Mass Catastrophic events are either from religions (unreliable source), Channeled sources (96% on average is from AI/MI, CIA / NSA mind control programs or other faulty sources), or based on the Sumerian and/or Mayan and Hopi Prophecies. Sumerian text predicting the return of the "gods" can be discounted, not only has Sitichen been debunked and known to have manipulated his translations intentionally. The "planet" that the Nibiru race were traveling on was destroyed in 2003 and evidence of this was discovered by multiple astrophysicists in the Kupler (sp?) belt.

Hopi and other Native American races have received their "signs" that peace will be returning. The Mayan's them selves and multiple other actually reliable scholars that have spent their entire lives have out and out stated to be fact that nothing in their texts etc says "end of the world" but that the calender begins a new, and a new age is welcomed (not verbatim but general). And as for this supposed kill shot? Not going to happen, there have already supposed to have been 2 or 3 of these and they have all fettered out into absolutely nothing. And for what ever reason that was. Whether it be intervention of Off Worlders or bad science they haven't happened.

As for anything more the government supposedly has planned? They wont get to attempt to pull off with out the military and law enforcement, and the full brunt force of the Off Worlder fleets standing against them. So, I don't even have to base anything on any of the information my Off Worlder contacts share with me that only serves to further corroborate this even more. I studied among other things in college Crime Scene Investigation, and you are taught very strongly to make sure that you look at all the evidence available. Not to mention my own personal code entails that as well.

[Operator]

It was an ADVISORY!!!
I've taken all the doubters on board - and I am at the head of the queue. So there WILL be astronomical alignments, stuff happens when these things align - I check the LISS daily, I watch for coronal holes, I check for weird effects on earth due to all of these things. What's wrong with being prepared for such events? As long as those who purportedly 'care' for us in the vast utilities industries actually DO care, we should be OK. It's up to us to make these 'guardians' of our utilities put all of their profits into protection of their services, to ensure we all survive any weird 'glitches', and have back-up upon backup of which we are aware should any SHTF!!!
Where are their 'shareholders'? We are their customers. Demand answers, plans and any action in their 'pipelines'.

Avid

Hi Avid,

Thanks for the thread ... I thinks it's an important (probably the most important) issue.
As we can see it probably is a can of worms because there 2 camps that tend to take over thread handling this issue.

One camp tends to be convinced that it's inevitable that all will be destroyed while the other camps immediately tries to
dismiss the whole issue.

I agree with you that we need a scientific approach, use the tangible evidence and be practical to sift through the material
to get a better understanding of what we are dealing with. Without the proper input we're only guessing.

That said ...


If you knew the mechanics of what cycle 24 is you wouldn't jump with an assumption like that.

Could you elaborate more on that ? What DOES make cycle 24 so special ?

[goinghome2012]

I prefer to remain realistic and practical, but aware. And keep stock of all the things that were supposed to happen by now but haven't including all the ones that have been stopped/prevented by Off Worlders, and my own inner sense of knowing, plus I'm an incarnate. I know the world /humanity is not going to end for a really really long time. The government isn't going to get to use their FEMA camps, etc like they were planning. And no it's not denial. I've seen the writing on the wall. This is the only planet where the complete human genome resides, we're to valuable to "them" to let humanity be destroyed. I wouldn't be here and neither would the other incarnates if we didn't know coming into this that we'd be the ones declaring victory in the end.

Question though, have you noticed despite vast amounts of hard evidence supporting humanity dating back tens of thousands of years longer than accepted history that no "end of the world" prophecies date before around 11,000 B.C. ? (I actually know why this is, and why this is significant) And even the seed sources those are all based on don't talk about the end of the world but the coming of a new age of peace and prosperity.

All other End Of World or Mass Catastrophic events are either from religions (unreliable source), Channeled sources (96% on average is from AI/MI, CIA / NSA mind control programs or other faulty sources), or based on the Sumerian and/or Mayan and Hopi Prophecies. Sumerian text predicting the return of the "gods" can be discounted, not only has Sitichen been debunked and known to have manipulated his translations intentionally. The "planet" that the Nibiru race were traveling on was destroyed in 2003 and evidence of this was discovered by multiple astrophysicists in the Kupler (sp?) belt.

Hopi and other Native American races have received their "signs" that peace will be returning. The Mayan's them selves and multiple other actually reliable scholars that have spent their entire lives have out and out stated to be fact that nothing in their texts etc says "end of the world" but that the calender begins a new, and a new age is welcomed (not verbatim but general). And as for this supposed kill shot? Not going to happen, there have already supposed to have been 2 or 3 of these and they have all fettered out into absolutely nothing. And for what ever reason that was. Whether it be intervention of Off Worlders or bad science they haven't happened.

As for anything more the government supposedly has planned? They wont get to attempt to pull off with out the military and law enforcement, and the full brunt force of the Off Worlder fleets standing against them. So, I don't even have to base anything on any of the information my Off Worlder contacts share with me that only serves to further corroborate this even more. I studied among other things in college Crime Scene Investigation, and you are taught very strongly to make sure that you look at all the evidence available. Not to mention my own personal code entails that as well.

but why the countless hours, time and money into underground bases and technology and the establishment of underground facilities on Mars?

[DreamsInDigital]

There hasn't been humans on Mars since 1989 when the Orion Group returned, slaughtered all the humans and reclaimed the planet. Which like the moon, though is now and has been for a while under the control of the good ET's as the Orion Group was removed from Mars. I whole heartily though believe at one point the PTW/Cabal, either weren't "planning" on things turning out the way they have/are... with the resistance, dissidence and such. Or, otherwise the psychopaths/sociopaths (Cabal/PTW) are so insane that they thought they were so powerful nothing and no one could stand against them. And now they are acting in desperation because they really know beyond doubt that they have lost, and desperate people do stupid things. They screw up repeatedly. They just aren't going to win. But, as we all know, an animal/beast is at it's most dangerous when it's dying. And, this is not the time to sit back and just "let things happen" we still must keep vigilant and keep helping others. Etc. Think of it this way, the war's already won, but there is still this one last battle to finish being fought.

[Operator]

All other End Of World or Mass Catastrophic events are either from religions (unreliable source), Channeled sources (96% on average is from AI/MI, CIA / NSA mind control programs or other faulty sources), or based on the Sumerian and/or Mayan and Hopi Prophecies.

......

Hopi and other Native American races have received their "signs" that peace will be returning. The Mayan's them selves and multiple other actually reliable scholars that have spent their entire lives have out and out stated to be fact that nothing in their texts etc says "end of the world" but that the calender begins a new, and a new age is welcomed (not verbatim but general). And as for this supposed kill shot? Not going to happen, there have already supposed to have been 2 or 3 of these and they have all fettered out into absolutely nothing. And for what ever reason that was. Whether it be intervention of Off Worlders or bad science they haven't happened.


You mention the Hopi twice ... pro and con .... ?

I watched a (pretty good) documentary recently:

UwvpsVsawMg

Yes, I noticed ... they are not talking about destruction of the planet by a cosmic event.

But it's all a matter of perspective. If you live in a culture that doesn't use electricity, electronics etc. you don't care about a CME or solar
flare taking this all out.
That will NOT end YOUR world but it will have a devastating effect on the modern world.

They (Mayans) know it and anticipate it. They do see it as a coming disaster. But they also know how to stay flexible and absorb
such hits. People with similar capabilities will be among the survivors and the net end result is viewed as a 'purified' world.

But it probably all depends from which side of the fence you are looking at it.

[DreamsInDigital]

As per the Mayans themselves there is nothing in the Mayan texts, carvings etc that say "disaster". Nothing, and they are particularly pissed about everyone using their texts , misiterpreting them and saying there is anything to do with disasters. The Hopi had that depending on specific signs would determine which way the planet would go either into a time of peace or time of destruction. The signs they have received indicate explicitly that this is a time of peace that is coming. I don't believe for a second that we're going to be hit by a kill shot type CME. As I said, they have "predicted" several of these "kill shots" and they haven't happened. I don't think this one will either.

This is a good article for those that want to know the real translations of the Mayan glyphs that others falsely claim are saying "end of the world":
2012 Hell, Heaven Or Hype? By Joseph Robert Jochmans (http://www.2012hoax.org/joseph-robert-jochmans)

Excerpt:

FACT ONE — The much publicized apocalyptic date of December 21, 2012— claimed by many researchers and authors to be the last day for the world designated in the ancient Mayan calendar system—appears absolutely nowhere in all of ancient classical Mayan literature.

Not many people are aware that this date was never recorded among all the glyph inscriptions found in every Mayan temple built throughout Guatemala and the Yucatan between five hundred and four thousand years ago.

In addition, none of the dozens of erected commemorative stelae or standing stones—which have numerous calendar dates carved into them preserving historical events at most key Mayan sites—include any future time references to 2012 as pinpointing the end of the world.

What is more, conspicuously absent from the four Mayan inscribed codices that managed to escape being burned by sixteenth century Spanish missionaries—known as the Dresden Codex, the Madrid Codex, the Paris Codex and the Grolier Codex—are there any written passages predicting what will happen in 2012.

And in the two traditional Mayan sacred texts—the Popul Vuh or Book of Creation for the Quiche Mayas, and the Oracles of Chilam Balaam of Chumayel and Tizimin—do we find any mention whatsoever of December 21, 2012 specifically marking the end of the present age.

One claim made is that there exists a single very obscure inscription found on Monument 6 at the minor Mayan site of Turtuguero in the Mexican state of Tabasco that supposedly predicts events to take place in 2012. The major difficulties with this text is that its minIscule size makes it nearly impossible to decipher, and that it was also heavily damaged.

A strict interpretation reads: “Thirteen Pik finished ( ) Four Ahaw, third of Kankin ( ) will occur ( ) the descent ( ) the Nine Support ( ) God ( ) to the ( ).”

The time-cycle term “Pik” has been interpreted to be the same as a Baktun—see FACT TWO below. But the truth is, more than likely Pik instead is a syncope for an even longer cycle of time called a Pictun, equal to twenty Baktuns or equivalent to 7,885 years. Thirteen of these means the prophesied time-length extends into the future over 100,000 years, far beyond 2012.

“Four Ahaw third of Kankin” derives from a Short Count calendar, also found in the Oracles of Chilam Balaam, that refers to a past cycle of 256 years of daily predictions that were completed in the eighteenth century. Modern attempts have been made to somehow apply the Oracles to the end-times of 2012. But an examination of their post-Conquest origins demonstrates that the Oracles’ predictions were written specifically for the Mayan people suffering under Spanish rule, and not for any later generations.

What we are left with in the rest of the Turtuguero text as to an actual prophesied event is nothing more than a series of unrevealing and disjointed word fragments.

Just how, exactly, this discovery is supposed to relate to 2012 is anyone’s guess. Besides, if as it is now being claimed that 2012 is to be the traumatic harbinger of earth-shattering events, then why would it have been prophesied by the Mayas with only a single barely readable inscription?

What we do know for certain is that the Mayan calendar and all its historical variations did indeed once exist, and that it was utilized extensively by ancient Mesoamerican priests and chroniclers during the heyday of their many cultural expressions—including those of the Olmecs, Mayas, Teotihuacanos, Itzas, Toltecs, Mixtecs, Zapotecs and Aztecs.

This calendar and its many forms was primarily cyclic in nature, composed of several repeating rounds, each one of specific numbers of days, that were continuously beginning and ending as the different cycles intermeshed with one another on a daily basis.

Taken as a cohesive whole, the calendar’s central theme was one of continuity, whether it pertained to the annual cycle of religious celebrations, the planting and harvesting of crops, the births and deaths of passing generations, or the ongoing succession of local rulers and city state governments.

To make the claim that this calendar is going to suddenly and dramatically end all at once violates the basic tenets of the Mayan concepts of life and time.

Instead, the present-day promotion of the 2012 doomsday date constitutes an unrealistic projection of our modern fatalistic interpretation of history onto an ancient mindset that once had a far better attitude about themselves and the continuous fulfillment of their own destinies. We are the ones who are anticipating some form of self-appointed apocalyptic termination, not the Mayas.

[Operator]

As per the Mayans themselves there is nothing in the Mayan texts, carvings etc that say "disaster". Nothing, and they are particularly pissed about everyone using their texts , misiterpreting them and saying there is anything to do with disasters.

Yes, correct ... let me clarify ...

I was not referring to Mayan texts, it was my conclusion after watching the youtube documentary I posted.
They indeed are not happy that western people are 'selling' their story and particularly in an inaccurate way.

I used the word 'disaster' but like I said it is depending on interpretation. One main line in their story is that
mankind cannot stay sovereign if your land is taken away and when you are forced to be dependent on
food that is supplied to you through the channels of the power brokers.

What they see go terribly wrong is that the whole structure of the modern world is coming down and that
by mismanagement lots of people will be without food and water (amongst other things).

They are more and more forced to live a modern lifestyle themselves. Maybe they see more events (like cosmic events)
but the food and sovereignty issue alone is more than enough ingredient for things going terribly wrong on this planet.

I hope this separates the meaning of words and the real issues a bit better.

[DreamsInDigital]

I get what your saying. In the broadest of senses , even with this coming "age" of peace and prosperity, the modern world by the time this is completely "shifted" in the 5-10-20yrs or so that it takes to complete. Will not be anything like it is now. And, in that sense, it will be like one "world" succumbing to "change" and a new one "birthed" out of the ashes of the "old world". I seriously don't expect this transition to go perfectly smooth as a placid lake, there is no doubt some upsets will inevitably happen. But, not on a mass scale, not by a long shot...there are way to many energies and forces top side and on terra firma that just wont let anything majorly catastrophic happen. And are more than capable of doing so both technologically and otherwise.

[DeDukshyn]

And , yet again another fear mongering false prediction that will not come to pass has surfaced. When will we all learn to ignore these completely and not waist any energy or thoughts on these things? With all do respect to the OP ofcourse.

If you knew the mechanics of what cycle 24 is you wouldn't jump with an assumption like that.

Agreed, this is certainly not some new fan-dangled dreamt up fearporn.

[Cilka]

Well, no one here gets out alive.:o

Isn't that great, Ahamkara? Mother Earth will not discriminate against any one of us this time, we will go down together like one big family of homo sapiens. We should ALL :tea:drink to that!

[WhiteFeather]

Miriam Delicado explains to us through the Hopi Elders, that the planet is going to be fine. Im highly secure with her info she has gathered by the Hopi Elders. When you get a chance i suggest you listen to this intervew. The interview starts around the 15 minute mark if you dont desire to listen to the beginning meditation segment.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saJZIByngEE&feature=player_embedded#!

[WhiteFeather]

All other End Of World or Mass Catastrophic events are either from religions (unreliable source), Channeled sources (96% on average is from AI/MI, CIA / NSA mind control programs or other faulty sources), or based on the Sumerian and/or Mayan and Hopi Prophecies.

......

Hopi and other Native American races have received their "signs" that peace will be returning. The Mayan's them selves and multiple other actually reliable scholars that have spent their entire lives have out and out stated to be fact that nothing in their texts etc says "end of the world" but that the calender begins a new, and a new age is welcomed (not verbatim but general). And as for this supposed kill shot? Not going to happen, there have already supposed to have been 2 or 3 of these and they have all fettered out into absolutely nothing. And for what ever reason that was. Whether it be intervention of Off Worlders or bad science they haven't happened.


You mention the Hopi twice ... pro and con .... ?

I watched a (pretty good) documentary recently:

UwvpsVsawMg

Yes, I noticed ... they are not talking about destruction of the planet by a cosmic event.

But it's all a matter of perspective. If you live in a culture that doesn't use electricity, electronics etc. you don't care about a CME or solar
flare taking this all out.
That will NOT end YOUR world but it will have a devastating effect on the modern world.

They (Mayans) know it and anticipate it. They do see it as a coming disaster. But they also know how to stay flexible and absorb
such hits. People with similar capabilities will be among the survivors and the net end result is viewed as a 'purified' world.

But it probably all depends from which side of the fence you are looking at it.

The Hopi do not need technology, they have mastered the star system quite well along with The Mayans and many other technological lacking civilizations. Today We are still clueless with the technology that we think we have. Dont underestimate them. The native cultures are wiser than you think. Hope this adds some insight.

[Wind]

If people are able to create the Flower of Life Shield then there will be no fear of extinction level event. Pane Andov says that the possibility of that is 1:1000 but it is still possible. Otherwise it will be format of all life except in the safe zones that are out there. The only known one is in Australia in the opal mining zone because he says that the opals are able to absorb the gamma rays and protect people from them. Either way life will win. Some of us go to 5D (i.e. New Earth) and some will be left behind or go to another 3D planet (New Eden).

Dolores Cannon speaks of splitting Earth theory too. I think both of them are correct. The entity known as RA says that some of us lightworkers are actually from 6D density and some enlightened ones are maybe even from 7D. We are here just to help the planet in the transition time. That was our mission and soon it will be done.

The Creator loves us dearly.

[Andre]

Great comments on this topic from everyone. Everyone seems to have a piece of the Great Puzzle. You can see the pieces falling into place.

This thread began with the theme "Planetary alignments = 'kill shot" potential Dec 2012 - factual research". It then sites an Urban Survival exclusive from Patrick Geryl. I visited Patrick's website and read a little, viewed a video here and there and it is clear that Patrick is very much a part of the 2012 scare tactics agenda which, as we all know, emanates from the global Cabal's efforts to derail the Shift of Ages. The global cabal doesn't want this shift to happen. They don't want things to change. They are very happy the way things are because everything is stacked in their favor. And they can't admit that there is absolutely nothing they can do to derail it. Gaia has already decided to "re-incarnate" in a higher dimension. It's a done deal.

I have no doubt that the global cabal put in place a Global Fear Campaign many years ago that remains in effect despite the fact that more and more of their own members are abandoning ship. So while many of them are no longer directing this campaign, the program continues because of the massive momentum behind it and the fear mongers who remain on the payroll. There's little doubt that the campaign is on-going. Just look at the number of alien invasion movies coming out lately. Battleship is about to follow hot on the heels of two Los Angeles alien invasion movies. And of course let's not forget the 2012 blockbuster early in the year where a few of the movie characters survive and the rest of humanity is wiped out. (Why always L.A.?)

Fear, fear, fear. That's the name of the game the Old World Order is playing. If they can keep enough of humanity in fear, they hope it will sabotage Gaia's rebirth. Fear as an emotional energy and a frequency that is a very dense, low vibration. The cabal's hope is that if there is enough of this dense energy around, it will drag down the global shift in consciousness that is co-creating this ascension process. But, as we have seen time and time again over the last few years, the fear is not sticking. Humanity is awakening quicker than they can contain it. The Old World Order has lost and they just can't admit it.

Yes, they managed to hijack the popular uprising in Libya and I'm sure a few bottles of champagne were popped at how successful that job was. But they are already coming unstuck in Egypt and Syria. And they've been trying for at least two years to trigger Iran. (Metaphysically speaking, the energy in the middle east does need to move. It's just unfortunate that we humans choose war to do it).

Everywhere they look now, the Old World Order's plans are coming unstuck. Take a look at the massive number of resignations and suicides in the global bankster community lately. (See David Wilcock's interview with Drake for the latest on this and much more). No, the horse has bolted but, unfortunately, the cabal will cause as much damage as they can on the way down. We just have to ride out the storm and let them destroy each other, because that is what will happen in the end. Look at how the British authorities went after one of their own, Rupert Murdoch recently.

As for Patrick Geryl, he probably continues to push the fear agenda simply because, along with others like him, he's still on the payroll.

Sad really. When will these guys wake up?

On another note, the latest from the Mayan Council is that a few days ago they reminded Drunvalo that while everyone is focused on 21 December 2012, they are more excited about 22 December. You see, 21 Dec is the last day of the old World Age and 22 Dec is the first day of the New World Age. They will be doing ceremony on both days because they have to. It is part of their prophecy. They have to "close out" the old age and then, the next day, do ceremony again to usher in the new age.

And, as others have said in this thread, there is absolutely nothing, zilch, zip, zero in the Mayan writings and monuments (codices and stellas) that speaks of doom and disaster. I've read many, many books on the Maya, and no one has cited any such references, anywhere.

However, Gaia is definitely going to go thru a birthing. The galactic alignment is more than likely going to stir up the Sun and Gaia cannot escape it - not that she wants to anyway. So, we may very well see CMEs on a scale like never before and a physical pole reversal. But, while a mother's birth looks painful, new life is always the result. Would you call a mother's labor a "disaster"?

[goinghome2012]

Dan Winter mentions the sun will burp in the near future. I don't know if the sun will totally engulf the earth or if a solar flare will totally affect the grid system. nassim haramein mentions the black hole, three days of darkness theory in one of his videos. Perhaps the sun is actually a magnet and will pull the Earth into the black hole sun. Whoever resonates at a high vibration will survive, whoever is attached to materialism and lower vibration will have to recycle.

[sdv]

Andre I love your use of childbirth as a metaphor. First time I have seen anyone use that metaphor and it resounds with me. It's beautiful!

[araucaria]

FYI the Mayan mention of 2012 appears implicitly as 13 baktuns (20 ^2 tuns) on te Coba stele on page 39 of Barbara Hand Clow's The Mayan Code ('illustration adapted from Freidel, Schele and Parker, Maya Cosmos').

It seems to haveno negative connotations, being the first in a long series of 13 times everything, extending all the way to 20 ^2 tuns, which goes beyond 16.4 billion years.