Vitamin D beats vaccines every day

[Eram]

Hi Avalon,

I was going to post this thread in the Alternative Medicine & Sciences section, but since vitamin D isn't really an alternative medicine and more significant I think this is a really important message for those who are not informed about this yet, I post this thread here in general discussion, so a lot of people get to see it. I hope that's ok?
I have been using vitamin D as a supplement since half a year and my health, especially during the winter, has increased dramatically.

this one is 8:34 minutes

http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=F82B1F0F7DFC5C9F779A5A8A26FB248C

This one is 5:18 minutes

http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=0F7DDCE675DCBFC7BEB4078E3CC23262

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[meat suit]

same with me...
7000iu per day....and then hit anything else with colloidal silver...bingo

[Ontarioguy]

D has dramatically increased my health as well. I began two years ago taking an extra 2,000 - 3,000 IU's daily. And then at times when I thought I might feel "something" coming on, I would increase that days dosage by double. Doing that seems to have made all the difference when it comes to NOT catching long drawn out flus and colds. Previously I would typically come down with a good 4 - 5 common colds per year. I have had maybe 2 very mild forms of the common cold in the last 2 years....and both were during flu season...ie: mid winter. And both lasted less than 2 days...with mild symptoms. I cannot think of anything else that could account for the improved immune system that I now have. Why the wonders of vitamin D were never made known many years ago is something that is a shame, as I was always told to use vitamin C/Zinc. I used them without much noticeable benefit. Going forward from now on, it should be shouted to everyone about the benefits of vitamin D

[ThePythonicCow]

as I was always told to use vitamin C/Zinc
You might not have used enough Vitamin C :).

Or you might have been more deficient in Vitamin D than C.

They're all essential, and the optimum amounts, in my experience, are substantially higher than conventional medicine or nutrition recommends.

Vitamin C is essential for building strong collagen, which holds together many of the tissues in our body. A long term suboptimal consumption of Vitamin C increases one's risk of cardio-vascular disease, for example (weaker artery walls.)

Personally, I take five or ten grams of Vitamin C per day, and several thousand IU of Vitamin D, amongst other supplements.

I've no clear recollection of when I last felt any cold or flu like symptoms - must have been several years ago.

[lightseeker]

I agree, I have been taking vitamin D3 for several years, usually 3 or 4 IUs daily. (best taken at night for maximum benefit). 10 thousand IU is the equivalent to full body sunbathing for 20 minutes. I do not recall having been sick with a cold/flu for at least 5 years. If I have felt something coming on I simply increase my Vitiamin D intake a few thousand IU.

[ThePythonicCow]

I agree, I have been taking vitamin D3 for several years, usually 3 or 4 IUs daily. (best taken at night for maximum benefit). 10 thousand IU is ...
I'll wager you meant 3 or 4 thousand IU :).

[avid]

Brilliant thread. I have promoted 5000 iu Vit D3, and 1000 iu Vit C daily to everyone! We hardly ever get ill.
No vaccinations allowed.
Even the old folk haven't had so much as a sniffle for years!!!
I also make our own colloidal silver for any healing required, and distill our own water to make the colloidal silver. Years ago my partner (who was not a convert then) got a very serious flu, and pleurisy. I showed him the colloidal silver manual (he's a scientist), and he used a nebuliser to 'demolish' the infection! Amazing.
Another natural product on sores or ulcers is manuka honey (10+, or 15+) - they heal!
Keep spreading the word folks...:clap2:
Avid

[Cidersomerset]

I've posted before on this subject somewhere !! I've been taking Vit D 3 for the last two years in conjuntion with Echinacea capsules which are used for colds..
before this I usually had one or two colds a year which in my case always went to my chest and for about 3 to 6 weeks I would have a niggly annoying caugh..
After hearing Arthur I thought I'd give them a try , even though in my job I'm outside everyday...It was while in the health food shop I was talking to the assistant
and she said she used Echinacea for colds....So I thought why not and since then I have taken a combination, and although I have had the symptoms of a cold
several times sore dry throat, which was normally a sign of impending cold. What i do is up the dose and so far 'touch wood' it has worked for me !!

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HD/AN: I mentioned the Report from Iron Mountain, which many people say is just science fiction. It’s not science fiction, because that same material was handed to me in a meeting in Tucson, Arizona, in the 1980s.

RP: Directly?

HD/AN: Yeah, directly, in a meeting. Yes. A government meeting that I went to.

RP: You read it.

HD/AN: It was a surprise to me because I didn’t know what the nature of the meeting was.

We were flown to Tucson, Arizona, and stayed at a hotel room. Then we got together, and at the end of the first meeting, they handed out the Report from Iron Mountain – not in book form, but in paper format. And that’s where I first learned of the plans from the Rand Corporation.

RP: Ah-ha. Well, you’re the first person I know that confirms that. The Iron Mountain is confirmed.

HD/AN: It is. I don’t have the paperwork anymore, but it was close, or almost exactly the same thing as in the book that’s now in print again.

RP: So, for you the swine flu epidemic is just part of this plan?

HD/AN: I can’t say. Epidemics are natural things. There are natural epidemics, of course, you know. But, in my opinion, the swine flu is... In this case, this is a dangerous thing, but it’s my opinion only. My preparation is to take vitamin D3. “D”, the letter “D”, 3.

RP: What’s that?

HD/AN: A vitamin.

RP: A vitamin. Vitamin, okay.

HD/AN: Vitamin D3, 2,000 IU – 2,000 International Units – every day. Up to 5,000. For certain reasons, the sun converts in your skin – when it hits your skin – into vitamin D3, but because of the nature of the sun now, and other factors, that won’t work in this case.

But for general “agripe”, you call it?

RP: Ah. Agripe. Yeah. Flu.

HD/AN: Or flu, any kind of flu. Vitamin D3 will reduce your chances greatly of getting any kind of flu, okay? So I recommend that as a supplement, and for other reasons, too, that have nothing to do with flu.

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Dosage is interresting and although you can follow a fixed dose daily, I like to vary it
according to intuition, I am a believer of the plasebo effect and mind over matter, but that
is not a deffence against viruses, though keeps you positive!!
As I said i work outside so am in contact with what sunlight there is which varies especially
here with clouds and chemtrails etc so the quality is dubious imho...
Any way my dosage will seem odd to some of you, but has worked for me so far...
In the winter I was taking 2 D3 tabletts and three echinacea capsules a day.
Now I am takiing 1 D3 and 1 or 2 ech' capsules a day.
I am on holiday at the momment and have not taken any for a week..
Basically especially as they are not cheap i am finding my own level...

As I said before I have had several cold symptom attacks especially when germs
and bugs are going around the office before we go out. Each time I up the dose
drastically for example I'l take a couple extra D3 capsules, but will take as many
ech' capsules as neccessary....
On one occasion for example I took 3 capsules in the morning, 3 midday,
3 tea time and 3 before bed and the sore throat and others symptoms
went and on odd occassions I've upped the dose if I felt the need !!
As I said find your level and see if it works for you , It does for me !!

Cheers Steve...

[Simonm]

Ontarioguy, don't knock Vit C out of hand. I take 1000mg of Vit C a day and it keeps me feeling good. However, whe nI get that scratchy feeling at the back of my throat, which usually means the onset of a cold, I up the dose considerably. Usually between 3 and 5000 Mg per day. That usually kills the cold outright. One note though. If you suffer the dioreaha (sp) then cease taking it as high vit C will make that worse. If your solid, then keep going.

Not been taking Vit D but will look to doing so as it being in England, we tend to get less sun than a lot of you :) :)

[Eram]

Ontarioguy, don't knock Vit C out of hand. I take 1000mg of Vit C a day and it keeps me feeling good. However, whe nI get that scratchy feeling at the back of my throat, which usually means the onset of a cold, I up the dose considerably. Usually between 3 and 5000 Mg per day. That usually kills the cold outright. One note though. If you suffer the dioreaha (sp) then cease taking it as high vit C will make that worse. If your solid, then keep going.

Not been taking Vit D but will look to doing so as it being in England, we tend to get less sun than a lot of you :) :)


In Short:
*Vitamin C is for helping your immune system, it is the fuel.
*Vitamin D is the starter motor, it gives the immune system a kick in the but to get into action. Without vitamin D the immune system is there, ready and steady, but in a deep sleep ;)

[Alie]

Ontarioguy, don't knock Vit C out of hand. I take 1000mg of Vit C a day and it keeps me feeling good. However, whe nI get that scratchy feeling at the back of my throat, which usually means the onset of a cold, I up the dose considerably. Usually between 3 and 5000 Mg per day. That usually kills the cold outright. One note though. If you suffer the dioreaha (sp) then cease taking it as high vit C will make that worse. If your solid, then keep going.

Not been taking Vit D but will look to doing so as it being in England, we tend to get less sun than a lot of you :) :)


In Short:
*Vitamin C is for helping your immune system, it is the fuel.
*Vitamin D is the starter motor, it gives the immune system a kick in the but to get into action. Without vitamin D the immune system is there, ready and steady, but in a deep sleep ;)

So, the consensus is what amount? I gather 2000-5000IU of D3 --- gel is best? C how much? Thanks.

[Ontarioguy]

Folks, make no mistake, I should have mentioned that I DEFINITELY supplement with Vitamin C as well. I use minimum 5,000 Buffered C / day! sometimes a bit more in fact. As well I take a full spectrum multi vitamin/mineral caplet daily. I have been involved in bodybuilding for 30 years and have always used vitamin C . I just did not take enough vitamin D and living in the northern part of Canada, we go through a good 5-7 months with too little sunshine. And therefore our bodies do not get the chance to produce vitamin D as much during those months. So since upping my D levels, everything is 100% better. Alie? to answer your question, you might get several different opinions. I have mentioned what I have found to be beneficial for me. If I had to throw out a number, I would suggest a minimum of 2,000 D/day and minimum 3,000 C day. I prefer the buffered C or sometimes called (ester C ) as the body seems to absorb it better then regular non buffered C . Bear in mind those are only suggestions,( I am NOT a Doctor), and you will want to find what works best for your particular needs. I exercize regularly, and therefore my needs might be different from another who does not have an active lifestyle. Everyone is different, but I still believe EVERYONE CAN BENEFIT from increasing their daily intake of C & D . :)

[Kimberley]

Bumping this thread and adding a recent lecture from Dr Michael Holick a prominent Vitamin D researcher. He has been a guest on my Boston radio show 4 times over the years and he invited me to this lecture and unfortunately I was not able to attend however fortunately it was recorded and now available for us all!!! Enjoy! Do yourself and your friends and family a favor and learn about the importance of vitamin D. I take 6000 IUs per day.

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[nzreva]

Ya'll lots of stuff on Vitamin D here http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/vitamin-d/

[Becky]

I've just seen this thread, I've taken vit D for 2 years now and find it so beneficial, especially through the long winter months.

[Valle]

If you supplement with vitamin d - check this regarding Magnesium and its roll regarding calcium/vitamin d
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[alh02]

I've been taking vitamin D3 (5000 IU/day) for a little over 3 years now... and haven't gotten a cold or flu since.

Mind you, during that time I've also been taking buffered vitamin C powder, fullvic mineral liquid concentrate, krill oil, alkalizing veggie green/superfood powder, Lugol's iodine, reishi extract, and cordcyceps extract on a daily basis as well... so it's difficult for me to determine exactly how much the D3 has contributed to my seeming invulnerability to infections.

All I know is my family, friends, and co-workers are constantly amazed by my ability to avoid getting sick ;)

I always say to them... feed your body the vitamins, minerals, and other nutrients it needs, and it will take good care of you!

[karamba]

Hello Avalonians I have a question about vit D3, can anyone share which brand(make) the are buying?
Thank you
Love

[NoNeedForAName]

Hi karamba.

Here I take Super D3 or/and Vitamin D3 Complete from Allergy Research Group. They're cheap and seem fine. You can buy them, if I am not mistaken, from Amazon, iherb.com and Mom*E*Mineral websites. Both have 2000 UI of D3. If you want to take a big dose of D3 diary, I think you should then take 1 capsule of Super D3 and 1 capsule of Vitamin D3 Complete. Never take more than 1 capsule from Vitamin D3 Complete because it has 3000 IU Vitamin A in its composition and, I heard, the excess of Vitamin A can cause blindness. This quantity of Vitamin A corresponds to 60% of your diary needs, says Allergy Research Group. If you want even higher doses of Vitamin D3 you can buy pure 5000 IU Vitamin D3 capsules at Biovea's website. But I don't remember the brand of this capsules now.

[Gardener]

Just to support the VitD 3 anecdotal evidence.
I ran out of Vit D3 a few weeks ago in an attempt to save money I was waiting for the company to put them on sale at half price (they do this once a year or so.......). 2 weeks without, and I kinda got lazy and remiss.

I have not had a cold virus for well 7-10 years, can't remember really.
A week ago I got a cold. A miserable variety, I will not be taking that risk again.
My usual is 3-5000 depending on climate/season.
2 x Vit B complex (not sure of strength)
Ascorbic vit C powder half a teaspoon (no idea of weight lol) its my tolerance level.
Magnesium Citrate. half a teaspoon, (as above)

[alh02]

Hello Avalonians I have a question about vit D3, can anyone share which brand(make) the are buying?
Thank you
Love


I've been using this one for the past 6 months (or so), quality seems pretty good...

Healthy Origins - Vitamin D3 - 5000 IU - 360 Softgels (http://www.iherb.com/Healthy-Origins-Vitamin-D3-5-000-IU-360-Softgels/18335)

Not bad value for money either @ $13 (+ Postage) for a 1 year supply.

[Pam]

Thanks for bringing up Vitamin D. I would like to add a little info that I haven't seen posted yet that is VERY important.When taking Vitamin D it is really essential to take Vitamin K2 with the vitamin D for complete utilization and proper calcium transport. Taking large amounts of vitamin D without K2 can be detriment Life Extension makes a good blend of D3, K2 and iodine. I could start a whole thread on iodine deficiency but that is a bit off topic.

Remember, your best source of D3 is sunlight. If you live in an area with a lot of sun a sunbath of 15 minutes a day will supply you with the best D3. The next option is a tanning bed that delivers UVB rays. You can get all the D3 you need with 8 minute sessions a couple of days a week, its important not to overdue it

[nzreva]

https://www.sciencealert.com/vitamin-d-tablets-may-be-worse-for-you-then-nothing-at-all

Vitamin D kills rats, it is in rat poison. I prefer the sun 20 minutes gives me all the vitaminD i need.

[ThePythonicCow]

Vitamin D kills rats, it is in rat poison. I prefer the sun 20 minutes gives me all the vitaminD i need.
Let me guess - you do not live at high latitudes, you are not very dark skinned, and you are not a computer nerd who works mostly at night and indoors ?

My present understanding is that both too little, and too much Vitamin D is unhealthy, for both rats and humans. Granted, since rats make their own Vitamin D, it's unlikely they will have too little, unless other factors such as starvation or a genetic defect are in play.

Vitamin D insufficiency is apparently a widespread problem, for us humans in "modern" civilization anyway, and supplements can help, for the many of us that don't get enough sunlight.

Whether one uses real sunlight, a sun lamp, or supplements, I suspect it's worth figuring out whether one is getting too little, sufficient, or excessive Vitamin D.

This article, one of many, provides more information on how time of day and latitude effect how much Vitamin D a typical body, outside and skin exposed, might get from sunlight: Sunshine Calendar (https://grassrootshealth.net/document/sunshine-calendar/).

[ThePythonicCow]

This article, one of many, provides more information on how time of day and latitude effect how much Vitamin D a typical body, outside and skin exposed, might get from sunlight: Sunshine Calendar (https://grassrootshealth.net/document/sunshine-calendar/).

It doesn't say that I can see on this page, but I suspect that it is showing results based on the "Recommended" daily allowance of Vitamin D.

I also suspect, and guide my personal Vitamin D intake, on the assumption that the officially Recommended daily allowance is (roughly) one-tenth of the optimum daily amount consumed or created using light.

To get that higher daily dose, I would find most places in the US to have insufficient sunlight, unless I was normally outdoors a lot in the middle of the day, with plenty of exposed skin, for hours. Even then, during the winter, much of the US is simply too high latitude to provide sufficient sunlight, for all but the most dedicated sun worshipper.

[ripple]

A question .
I decided some time ago and from my own investigations to take a daily Vitamin D3 supplement . However ,now that I have read this thread and then based on a little more reading , I have decided that I can and will move my dosage from the present 25 ug a day to 100 ug .
Each pill I will be taking is small and 25ug --- 4 a day . So 4000 IU
But 100 ug is only is only 100 milligrams which is 100 millionth of a gram , or putting it another way , 100x one thousandth of a milligram .
Goodness knows what makes up the rest of the pills , but how do I best know that each pill actually has the quoted dosage -- 25ug of this DE3 vitamin ?
Absurdly I have this picture of a fast moving production line and women poised to apply a dab of D3 to each pill as they rush past with the tip of a fine paint brush . Obviously silly . But how can machinery ensure the correct amalgam allocation per pill ? Is there really a mixing process which guarantees that each pill is made up exactly of the quoted dosage?
Would the 'old' method of swallowing a teaspoon of a liquid be better ? Or should I move to somewhere like Spain and take up fishing ?

[Bill Ryan]

A question .
I decided some time ago and from my own investigations to take a daily Vitamin D3 supplement . However ,now that I have read this thread and then based on a little more reading , I have decided that I can and will move my dosage from the present 25 ug a day to 100 ug .
Each pill I will be taking is small and 25ug --- 4 a day . So 4000 IU


Yes, 1 µg = 40 IU. I take 5000 IU a day (these (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GZVNP8C) single capsules), unless I've been hiking in the mountains. If I feel ever feel a cold or sore throat coming on (which is rare), I increase that to 10,000 or occasionally 20,000.

[avid]

I also take 5,000 iu d3 daily, have done for years. If I begin to feel ill I will up it to 10,000 - one can go up to 30,000 daily if very poorly.
In addition I take daily B12, thiamine, 1000 iu slow release vit C, high strength milk thistle, and organic turmeric curcumin with organic black pepper, and if anything weird going on use my home-made colloidal silver solution either topically, by ingesting, or by nebulising. Don’t often get ill. Skin infections can usually be cleared up applying medical grade manuka honey.

I have been trying some of Bob’s recommendations for ‘brain clarity’, such as taurine 500, but got some minor side effects so am off that at the moment.

Absolutely hate going to the doctor, refuse vaccinations, no fluoride if it can be avoided.

Seemingly have avoided loads of nasties for years.... fingers crossed....!

[Mike Gorman]

As a minimum you can take 10,000 IU's of vitamin D3 per day for the next 4 weeks and beyond, this will give your body a massive resource for immunity response. Henry Deacon always said this, and he is right.

[RunningDeer]

As a minimum you can take 10,000 IU's of vitamin D3 per day for the next 4 weeks and beyond, this will give your body a massive resource for immunity response. Henry Deacon always said this, and he is right.

Henry Deacon’s advice isn’t right for everyone. I’d suggest comparing the benefits vs the side effect of taking vitamin D3 as a stand alone solution. Excessive amounts can cause toxicity and an imbalance to other body systems.




Vitamin D toxicity is usually caused by large doses of vitamin D supplements — not by diet or sun exposure. That's because your body regulates the amount of vitamin D produced by sun exposure, and even fortified foods don't contain large amounts of vitamin D.

The main consequence of vitamin D toxicity is a buildup of calcium in your blood (hypercalcemia), which can cause nausea and vomiting, weakness, and frequent urination. Vitamin D toxicity might progress to bone pain and kidney problems, such as the formation of calcium stones.

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[DeDukshyn]

As a minimum you can take 10,000 IU's of vitamin D3 per day for the next 4 weeks and beyond, this will give your body a massive resource for immunity response. Henry Deacon always said this, and he is right.

Henry Deacon’s advice isn’t right for everyone. I’d suggest comparing the benefits vs the side effect of taking vitamin D3 as a stand alone solution. Excessive amounts can cause toxicity and an imbalance to other body systems.




Vitamin D toxicity is usually caused by large doses of vitamin D supplements — not by diet or sun exposure. That's because your body regulates the amount of vitamin D produced by sun exposure, and even fortified foods don't contain large amounts of vitamin D.

The main consequence of vitamin D toxicity is a buildup of calcium in your blood (hypercalcemia), which can cause nausea and vomiting, weakness, and frequent urination. Vitamin D toxicity might progress to bone pain and kidney problems, such as the formation of calcium stones.

:offtopic:

Just a quick note: 10,000 iu's a day for any amount of time isn't an excess amount of vitamin D at all (unless maybe you sun tan all day, every day). 50,000 - 100,000 iu's per each day over several months is probably the minimum amount needed to cause vitamin D toxicity in a healthy human. In early studies on using megadosing vitamin D as cure for all diseases (with some interesting successes), they were giving patients up to 1,000,000 ius per day for weeks on end.

One test subject died, considered to be caused by Vit D toxicity. And from this study in the 50,s or 60's is where we get, still, the idea that too much vitamin D will kill us. But proper perspective is obviously required here.

The fact that there were some amazing successes in treating disease with high dose vitamin D, is mostly why high doses have been demonized, with this one study as the "proof" of the danger of taking higher doses of vitamins D. 1) Big pharma can't patent Vitamin D, 2) higher dosing has been shown to be able to treat disease, which goes against big pharma "profit from sickness" model.

5,000 - 10,000 iu's is fine and recommended, especially if you don't get a lot of sun. If you do get a lot of sun, you don't need to supplement - the skin is very efficient at creating it from sun exposure in healthy people - at 50% skin exposure, you can get tens of thousands of iu's in just 30 minutes in direct sunlight (windows block the radiation needed to trigger the production process so it doesn't work through windows).

Anyway :focus:

[Mike Gorman]

As a minimum you can take 10,000 IU's of vitamin D3 per day for the next 4 weeks and beyond, this will give your body a massive resource for immunity response. Henry Deacon always said this, and he is right.

Henry Deacon’s advice isn’t right for everyone. I’d suggest comparing the benefits vs the side effect of taking vitamin D3 as a stand alone solution. Excessive amounts can cause toxicity and an imbalance to other body systems.




Vitamin D toxicity is usually caused by large doses of vitamin D supplements — not by diet or sun exposure. That's because your body regulates the amount of vitamin D produced by sun exposure, and even fortified foods don't contain large amounts of vitamin D.

The main consequence of vitamin D toxicity is a buildup of calcium in your blood (hypercalcemia), which can cause nausea and vomiting, weakness, and frequent urination. Vitamin D toxicity might progress to bone pain and kidney problems, such as the formation of calcium stones.

:offtopic:

While what you say is a good caution, the quantity of people who are deficient in D3 is incredible, with today's indoor lifestyle and heliophobic propaganda, you can safely take 5,000 IU's per day. An afternoon in the sun can produce upwards of 20,000 IU's.

[Bill Ryan]

Mod note from Bill:

I just moved the above 4 posts from the October Surprise (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111797-What-s-the-2020-October-Surprise) thread (hence all the :focus: smileys you can see!), also bumping this thread from 2012. In addition, it offers me a place to post this from Chris Martenson (2 days old), very much on point as always.

Vitamin D Reduces Mortality Risk by -89%


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIb_wX3Y1AE

[Sue (Ayt)]

There is a comprehensive e-book on Vitamin D by Dr. Mercola in the PA library now that goes into dosage recommendations, thanks to Tintin.

Vitamin_D_in_the_Prevention_of_Covid-19_Joseph_Mercola_2020.pdf (http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus_%28Wuhan_2019-nCov%29/Joseph%20Mercola%20%28Dr.%29/Vitamin_D_in_the_Prevention_of_Covid-19_Joseph_Mercola_2020.pdf)

[The Moss Trooper]

About a couple of years ago I started to take, daily, these:

Vitamin C
Vitamin D & D3
Zinc

I take esomeprazole daily to help my stomach lining after some surgery about 2 years ago, and I also take Ibuprofen and Codeine in small amounts. I also smoke tobacco, not excessively, around 10 roll-ups a day.

I haven't had a bad cold or 'flu' for a few years now, and, I'm not sure if this is true, but I definitely recall hearing that no smokers had so far succumbed to 'Corona Virus'....... ? Not sure. I also have 2 bottles of MMS to hand for anything 'serious'.

But this little pearl I know is true:

Of all the people that have reported being abducted by them darn Aliens........ Not one of them was a smoker!

Ergo, the only reason I smoke is to protect myself from Alien Abduction!

[Sue (Ayt)]

Yet another benefit of vitamin D in this study:

Vitamin D levels during pregnancy linked with child IQ
Date:
November 2, 2020
Source:
Seattle Children's
Summary:
A study showed that mothers' vitamin D levels during pregnancy were associated with their children's IQ, suggesting that higher vitamin D levels in pregnancy may lead to greater childhood IQ scores.

"Vitamin D is a critical nutrient and has many important functions in the body. A mother's vitamin D supply is passed to her baby in utero and helps regulate processes including brain development. A study published today in The Journal of Nutrition showed that mothers' vitamin D levels during pregnancy were associated with their children's IQ, suggesting that higher vitamin D levels in pregnancy may lead to greater childhood IQ scores. The study also identified significantly lower levels of vitamin D levels among Black pregnant women."
Full Article (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/11/201102142242.htm)

[Bill Ryan]

New from Chris Martenson 3 days ago, the first half being all about Vitamin D. (He lampoons the UK for their vitamin D recommendations being way too low. :facepalm: )


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ1l0gLTjXQ

[thepainterdoug]

thanks Bill vit D seems to give me some heart pain. i think up to 5000 iu is my limit per day. the 10,000 iu gives me heart pain immideately

Meat Suite, colloidal silver, the greatest medical treatment secret in my lifetime bar none. just cured a diverticuli attack that i get every now and then.

3 droppers under tongue, swallow 3 times a day. drink water, was gone in 4 days and back to normal

[happyuk]

About a couple of years ago I started to take, daily, these:

Vitamin C
Vitamin D & D3
Zinc

I take esomeprazole daily to help my stomach lining after some surgery about 2 years ago, and I also take Ibuprofen and Codeine in small amounts. I also smoke tobacco, not excessively, around 10 roll-ups a day.

I haven't had a bad cold or 'flu' for a few years now, and, I'm not sure if this is true, but I definitely recall hearing that no smokers had so far succumbed to 'Corona Virus'....... ? Not sure. I also have 2 bottles of MMS to hand for anything 'serious'.

But this little pearl I know is true:

Of all the people that have reported being abducted by them darn Aliens........ Not one of them was a smoker!

Ergo, the only reason I smoke is to protect myself from Alien Abduction!

As a kid I once asked my uncle his reasons for smoking roll-ups.

"They're full of Vitamin C" was his response / dismissal.

[ExomatrixTV]

Vitamin D, Now Conclusive!

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Definitive Evidence from Meta-Analysis and Trial Sequential Analysis ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9864223 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9864223) (Italy) Various studies, a association between severe vitamin D deficiency and bad COVID-19 outcomes.

Vitamin D plays a crucial role in immune function and inflammation. Recent data suggest a protective role of vitamin D against bad outcomes Nutraceutical approach Promote the immune response and reduce the inflammatory response Anti-inflammatory, antioxidant, and immunomodulatory properties of vitamin D Immune optimisation and immune boosting Vitamin D maintains pulmonary barrier function Determines the production of antimicrobial peptides Enhances neutrophil activity Shifts the adaptive immune response to a more T helper cell-2 type Anti-inflammatory effects of vitamin D Reduces the production of pro-inflammatory cytokines, such as IL-6, IL-8, IL-9, IL-12, TNF alfa, IFN gamma Increases production of anti-inflammatory cytokines, such as IL-4, IL-5, IL-10 Patients with a low baseline vitamin D, more benefit Reduce risk of asthma exacerbations Prevents acute respiratory infections, and reducing their complications COVID-19 and vitamin D (Co-VIVID study): a systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8862170 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8862170)

The rates of RT-CR positivity were significantly decreased in the intervention group as compared to the non-vitamin D groups (RR = 0.46) Conclusively, COVID-19 patients supplemented with vitamin D, fewer rates of ICU admission, mortality events, and RT-PCR positivity. Meta-analysis and trial sequential analysis (TSA) Better explain the strength of association Protective role of vitamin D supplementation, and risk of mortality / admission to intensive care units We searched four databases on 20 September 2022. Screened the randomized clinical trials (RCTs) Assessed the risk of bias (how to adjust thresholds for significance in randomised clinical trials when the required sample size has not been reached) The pre-specified outcomes of interest Mortality and ICU admission 78 bibliographic citations Five RCTs were suitable for our analysis Results Vitamin D administration results in a decreased risk of death, 0.49 Vitamin D administration results in a decreased risk of ICU admission, 0.28 Protective role of vitamin D and ICU admission The TSA of the protective role of vitamin D and ICU admission showed that, since the pooling of the studies reached a definite sample size, the positive association is conclusive. The studies Effects of a 2-Week 5000 IU versus 1000 IU Vitamin D3 Supplementation on Recovery of Symptoms in Patients with Mild to Moderate Covid-19: A Randomized Clinical Trial The rates of RT-CR positivity were significantly decreased in the intervention group as compared to the non-vitamin D groups (RR = 0.46) Conclusively, COVID-19 patients supplemented with vitamin D, fewer rates of ICU admission, mortality events, and RT-PCR positivity. Meta-analysis and trial sequential analysis (TSA) Better explain the strength of association Protective role of vitamin D supplementation, and risk of mortality / admission to intensive care units We searched four databases on 20 September 2022. Screened the randomized clinical trials (RCTs) Assessed the risk of bias (how to adjust thresholds for significance in randomised clinical trials when the required sample size has not been reached) The pre-specified outcomes of interest Mortality and ICU admission 78 bibliographic citations Five RCTs were suitable for our analysis Results Vitamin D administration results in a decreased risk of death, 0.49 Vitamin D administration results in a decreased risk of ICU admission, 0.28 Protective role of vitamin D and ICU admission The TSA of the protective role of vitamin D and ICU admission showed that, since the pooling of the studies reached a definite sample size, the positive association is conclusive.

The studies Effects of a 2-Week 5000 IU versus 1000 IU Vitamin D3 Supplementation on Recovery of Symptoms in Patients with Mild to Moderate Covid-19: A Randomized Clinical Trial ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9864223 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9864223/) (Saudi) Effect of calcifediol treatment and best available therapy versus best available therapy on intensive care unit admission and mortality among patients hospitalized for COVID-19: A pilot randomized clinical study ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7456194 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7456194) (Spain) Changes in the immune response against SARS-CoV-2 in individuals with severe COVID-19 treated with high dose of vitamin D ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9008199 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9008199) (Spain) Effect of a Single High Dose of Vitamin D3 on Hospital Length of Stay in Patients With Moderate to Severe COVID-19 ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7890452 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7890452) (Brazil) Calcifediol treatment and COVID-19-related outcomes ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8344647 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8344647) (Spain) Medicines & Healthcare products Regulatory Agency bmj.com/content/377/bmj.o1538 (https://www.bmj.com/content/377/bmj.o1538) 86% industry funded

[pyrangello]

Bill you should post that interview of you and that fantastic European lady who talked about d3 for an hour back in the Camelot days. That was one of your best sir.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill you should post that interview of you and that fantastic European lady who talked about d3 for an hour back in the Camelot days. That was one of your best sir.That was Gabriele Stähler. (Yes, it's a pretty good interview.) Here's the Project Camelot page:

https://projectcamelot.org/brussels_10-11_october_2009.html

https://projectcamelot.org/gabriele_staehler_brussels_sm.jpg

The video is no longer there, as YouTube deleted Camelot's entire account. :facepalm: But here's the audio:

https://projectcamelot.org/mediafiles/audio/Gabriele_Staehler.mp3


https://projectcamelot.org/mediafiles/audio/Gabriele_Staehler.mp3

And here's the transcript. :thumbsup:

https://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/gabriele_staehler_interview_transcript_en.html

[Bill Ryan]

New from Chris Martenson: :thumbsup:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5MqkbFt2sU

[ExomatrixTV]

Pioneering Vitamin D researcher:

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Consultant Physician, medical researcher and author, Dr David Grimes conducted much original research on the essential to life Vitamin D.

[John Hilton]

Vitamin D and the Melanoma Madness - Ivor Cummins discusses Multiple Sclerosis, Diabetes, Cancer, Vax damage, etc.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyG4GBqCh3Y

[Johnnycomelately]

Some more talk of evidence about what Vit D deficiency can mean. This one is about when your mom gave birth to you after (edit: 9 months after) a few months of little sunshine on her skin.

Gets technical at times, tho not rivaling YT poster Dr. John Campbell’s analyses. L = 17:22.



Why November is the most common birth month of the most dangerous of criminals.

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“Vitamin D deficiency is an epidemic that is at an all time high because of sunscreen use, less consumption of foods full of vitamin D, and less and less time spent out of doors.

Seattle is one of the most overcast and rainy places on earth, and has also seen dramatically more active serial killers than any other place on earth, over 20% of the nation's total.

Deficiency is strongly correlated to cancer, MS, autism, anxiety, depression, behavior problems, obesity, heart disease and even some forms of genetically based psychosis.

Vitamin D is required to create both testosterone and estrogen and supplementation has been shown experimentally to increase testosterone in men by over 20%, including free testosterone.

As we age we lose about 70% of our ability to create vitamin D from sunlight. Naturally darker skin also makes much less vitamin D, and some people also have far fewer vitamin D receptors.

Vitamin D upregulates the genes that create ceruloplasmin by as much as ten times the average amount. This molecule is critical to neutralizing the ROS that drive aging and insulin resistance.

Vitamin D is strongly associated with obesity and high insulin forces D into fat cells where it becomes trapped. Over time, fasting reduces insulin and makes vitamin D more available.

Wild caught fatty fish and eggs from hens raised in sunlight have high levels of vitamin D, but farmed fish and caged hens have only 1/4 the D. Nonemulsified cod liver oil is also full of D.

While sunburn can lead to skin cancer, normal tanning has the opposite effect. UV A is very damaging to skin but makes little vit D. UV B produces much more vit D and does less damage.

10am-2pm is the only time of day that sun exposure produces adequate vitamin D levels. Human blood levels are optimal at around 50, but the dosage required for this will vary wildly.

0:00 D deficiency is linked to violence
2:00 D required to fight cancer/autoimmune
3:20 D crucial for brain development
6:05 D helps with pain + addiction
7:14 D required for ROS n antiaging

Music courtesy Karl@whitebataudio”



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBL0ucLYjQA

[onawah]

Chronic Pain Due to Mitochondrial Dysfunction, Niacinamide Can Treat It
by Dr. Joseph Mercola
May 14, 2024
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2024/05/14/chronic-pain-mitochondrial-dysfunction.aspx?ui=8d3c7e22a03f5300d2e3338a0f080d2da3add85bca35e09236649153e4675f72&sd=20110604&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1ReadMore&cid=20240514&foDate=true&mid=DM1572061&rid=21094509

https://media.mercola.com/ImageServer/Public/2024/May/PDF/chronic-pain-mitochondrial-dysfunction-pdf.pdf

"STORY AT-A-GLANCE
Chronic pain may not be a disorder of its own but a symptom of underlying mitochondrial dysfunction
Nicotinamide riboside (NR) — a form of vitamin B3 and precursor to nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD+) — helps relieve chronic pain in mice by improving mitochondrial function
Niacinamide, another form of vitamin B3 involved in similar cellular processes as NR, may also be useful for relieving chronic pain
Linoleic acid (LA) in vegetable and seed oils causes mitochondrial dysfunction
Lowering your intake of LA, which is common in ultraprocessed foods, is one of the most straightforward ways to improve mitochondrial health and, thus, potentially relieve chronic pain
About 21% of U.S. adults suffer from chronic pain, with new cases occurring more often than new cases of other common conditions like diabetes, depression and high blood pressure.1
Pain is considered chronic if it occurs every day or most days over a period of three months or more.

For about 8%, the chronic pain is considered high-impact,2 meaning it limits life or work activities, demonstrating the heavy burden this condition places on those affected. Many reach for dangerous opioid drugs for relief, which suppress mitochondria3 — the last thing you want if you’re struggling with chronic pain.

Chronic Pain Is a Symptom of Mitochondrial Dysfunction
Researchers with Utrecht University in the Netherlands revealed that nicotinamide riboside (NR) — a form of vitamin B3 and precursor to nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD+), a molecule involved in DNA repair and healthy aging — helps relieve chronic pain in mice4 by improving mitochondrial function.

“Previous research has linked chronic pain to dysfunctional mitochondria, particularly those in specialized nerve cells, called sensory neurons, which detect changes in the environment,” New Scientist reported.5

For the study, an inflammatory substance was injected into the paws of 15 mice, which led to changes in mitochondrial function, even a week later after the inflammation had resolved. The mitochondrial changes were associated with greater pain in the mice, which also had lower levels of NR in the mitochondria of their sensory neurons compared to mice that didn’t experience inflammation.6

NR plays an important role in mitochondrial function, so researchers gave the mice a high dose, which alleviated pain.

“Together these findings indicate two things: first, that inflammation can impair mitochondrial function in sensory neurons and that these impairments increase the risk of chronic pain, even after inflammation has resolved. Second, that taking nicotinamide riboside supplements may help treat this chronic pain by restoring mitochondrial function,” according to New Scientist.7

The study may help shed some light on why some people continue to experience pain even after inflammation has healed, which remains a largely unanswered question. The researchers noticed that even after the initial pain from inflammation goes away, the nerve cells involved in sensing pain still show changes in their mitochondria that disrupt the balance of certain chemicals in the cells.

However, adding the NAD+ precursor NR helped mice recover from pain, even when it was chronic. This suggests that managing mitochondria function in these nerve cells is crucial for overcoming persistent pain after inflammation.

Vitamin B3 for Chronic Pain
As noted in the blog To Extract Knowledge From Matter, which is inspired by the work of the late Ray Peat, niacinamide, another form of vitamin B3 involved in similar cellular processes as NR, may be useful for relieving chronic pain:8

“The study … is one of the first to demonstrate that chronic pain is not an organic disorder of its own, but a symptom of an underlying mitochondrial dysfunction. This not only explain why the intervention with niacinamide worked in alleviating the pain (by improving mitochondrial function), but also why treating chronic pain with opioids is about the worst intervention one could choose.

Why? Because opioids are among the most potent suppressors of mitochondria, which means that as soon as one stops taking them the chronic pain will be much worse, leading to more opioid use and so on — a vicious cycle with usually lethal outcome (overdose).”

In fact, one study found that people who use opioids tend to have fewer mitochondria in their blood. Further, being exposed to the synthetic opioid fentanyl before birth was found to change the number of mitochondria in the blood and the activity of genes related to mitochondria in the nucleus accumbens, a brain area important for feeling pleasure, in young offspring.9

To Extract Knowledge From Matter continued explaining why the featured study’s use of vitamin B3 is superior to opioids for chronic pain:10

“The niacinamide dose used in this study was on the high-side (HED [human equivalent dose] ~35mg/kg daily), but considering it was administrated only once and the pain was completely resolved, it is a low-risk intervention in such doses for humans, especially compared to opioids.

Also, there are prior animal studies showing that lower doses (HED 3mg/kg daily) taken for a few weeks can also relieve chronic pain, which lowers the risk of such intervention even more.”

Your Mitochondria Need Niacinamide
Niacinamide, also known as nicotinamide, is a form of niacin (vitamin B3) that plays a vital role in energy metabolism. It’s essential for the mitochondrial electron transport chain to function. Without it, your mitochondria cannot make energy.

Niacinamide is so important because it is a precursor for NAD+, which is involved in the conversion of food to energy, maintaining DNA integrity and ensuring proper cell function. NAD+ is also a primary fuel for sirtuins, longevity proteins that become depleted with age.

Niacinamide at a dose of 50 milligrams (mg) three times per day will provide the fuel for the rate limiting enzyme for NAD+, NAMPT. Niacinamide also has potent antiobesity effects, can help prevent neurodegeneration and heart failure, and reverse leaky gut.

Niacinamide may also help prevent neurodegeneration by allowing for higher energy levels through energy metabolism in the mitochondria. “There are many studies, going back decades, demonstrating that a drop in NAD+ levels, and thus of NAD/NADH, is a common feature of virtually all neurodegenerative diseases,” writes Peat’s student Georgi Dinkov, a bioenergetic researcher.11

I recommend getting niacinamide in powder form because the lowest available dose in most supplements is 500 mg, and that will decrease NAD+ due to negative feedback on NAMPT, which is the opposite of what you’re looking for. Niacinamide will only cost you about 25 cents a month if you get it as a powder. Typically, 1/64 of a teaspoon of niacinamide powder is about 50 mg.

I also recommend taking one aspirin tablet daily. Aspirin plays a role in mitochondria function12 and also has other health benefits. Importantly, it helps increase the oxidation of glucose as fuel for your body while inhibiting the oxidation of fatty acids, specifically linoleic acid (LA). Dinkov adds:13

“Since aspirin is known to modulate autophagy (raise it when it is abnormally low and lower it when it is abnormally high) and niacinamide is a very effective NAD precursor, it is reasonable to try them in combination that should be synergistic when it comes to protecting the brain (and the entire organism) from diseases and even aging.”

Why Avoiding LA in Ultraprocessed Foods Is Important for Pain Relief
Lowering your LA is the single most important strategy you can take to not only lower reductive stress in your mitochondria but improve your overall health, including relief of chronic pain. LA is an omega-6 fat found in the vegetable oils and seed oils common in most ultraprocessed foods.

The main reason why excess LA causes disease is that it prevents your mitochondria from working well. Mitochondria produce most of your cellular energy in the form of ATP, and without ATP, your cells cannot function and repair themselves normally.

Polyunsaturated fats (PUFAs) such as LA are easily damaged by oxygen in a process called oxidation,14 which triggers the creation of damaging free radicals.15 These, in turn, give rise to advanced lipoxidation end products (ALEs)16 and in the case of omega-6 fats, oxidized LA metabolites (OXLAMs).17,18

These ALEs and OXLAMs then go on to cause mitochondrial dysfunction, which is a hallmark of most chronic disease. In addition to oxidation, inflammation and mitochondrial dysfunction, processed seed oils can also inhibit cardiolipin, an important fat in the inner membrane of your mitochondria.

Cardiolipin is important because it influences the structure of the cristae inside your mitochondria, which is the area where energy production occurs. If cardiolipin is damaged, then the complexes will not be close enough together to form supercomplexes, and thus the mitochondrial energy production will be impaired.

Cardiolipin also works like a cellular alarm system that triggers apoptosis (cell death) by signaling caspase-3 when something goes wrong with the cell. If the cardiolipin is damaged from oxidative stress due to having too much LA, it cannot signal caspase-3, which means apoptosis does not occur.

As a result, dysfunctional cells are allowed to continue to grow, which can turn into a cancerous cell. The type of dietary fat that promotes healthy cardiolipin is omega-3 fat, and the type that destroys it is omega-6, especially LA.

The good news is that dietary changes can improve the composition of fats in your cardiolipin in a matter of weeks, or even days. So, even though it will take years to lower your total body burden of LA, you will likely notice improvements well before then.

How to Optimize Your Mitochondrial Function
To optimize your mitochondrial function, you want to avoid LA as much as possible and increase your intake of omega-3s. Primary sources of LA include seed oils used in cooking, ultraprocessed foods and restaurant foods made with seed oils, condiments, seeds and nuts, most olive oils and avocado oils (due to the high prevalence of adulteration with cheaper seed oils).

Animal foods raised on grains, such as conventional chicken and pork, are also high in LA. Another major culprit that destroys mitochondrial function is excess iron — and almost everyone has too much iron. You can learn more about the health risks of excess iron in my interview with Christy Sutton, D.C. The most effective way to lower your iron is to donate blood two to four times a year.

As mentioned, I also recommend taking 50 mg of niacinamide three times per day. It’s also helpful to make sure you’re getting all the other B vitamins, as they too are crucial for mitochondrial function, especially regular niacin, riboflavin and folate.

Oftentimes, decreased mitochondrial function is due to a deficiency in B vitamins, and that’s easy to fix with a low-dose, high-quality B complex. Usually, when this is the case, improvement can be seen — and felt — within two to three weeks. "

Sources and References
1, 2 National Institutes of Health May 16, 2023
3, 9 Front Psychiatry. 2021 Nov 18:12:737389. doi: 10.3389/fpsyt.2021.737389. eCollection 2021
4 Cell Reports Medicine November 8, 2023
5, 6, 7 New Scientist November 8, 2023
8, 10 Haidut.me February 23, 2024, Chronic pain due to mitochondrial dysfunction, niacinamide can treat it (Archived)
11, 13 Haidut.me May 11, 2023, Niacinamide may prevent neurodegeneration (Archived)
12 Biochem Biophys Res Commun. 2017 Jan 8; 482(2): 346–351
14 Oxid Med Cell Longev. 2014;2014: 360438. doi: 10.1155/2014/360438
15 Pharmacognosy Review. 2010;4(8):118-126
16 Biochemical Journal. 1982;208(1):129-140
17 Nephrol Dialysis Transplant. 2001;16(8):1598-1606
18 Free Radical Biol Med. 1992;13:341-390

[grapevine]

Why Is No One Talking About This...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dktvNq-vCvA&ab_channel=Dr.EricBergDC (8:12)
"Why isn’t anyone talking about the root cause of autoimmune disease? Autoimmune diseases are surpassing heart disease and cancer and rapidly becoming the number 1 health problem on planet Earth! Discover the real autoimmune disease cause and find out what you can do about it."

We're all au fait with the benefits of Vitamin D3 (taken with K2) these days but never hurts to get a reminder about how beneficial it is to our immune systems. As an asthma sufferer I've been prescribed and taken predisnolone many times over the years and have always suffered alarming withdrawal symptoms months afterwards. With ageing I'm now very chary about everthing I put into my body but wish I'd been more discerning when I was younger. Nevertheless it's never too late to start taking care of our wonderful and magical bodies.

[Bill Ryan]

A small personal anecdote that might be instructive. I treated myself to a blood test a few days ago, very cheap and easy in Ecuador. (Just walk into a lab and ask them to please test X, Y and Z.)

To my astonishment, my Vitamin D levels were very low – just over 22 ng/ml. As posted earlier in the thread, one ideally needs a level of 60 or more to be safely immune to any viruses.

As I live at a high altitude and hike the mountains regularly — and take a 5000 IU Vitamin D capsule every other day! — I'd assumed my levels were all fine and strong. But it was simple to test just as routine, and I'm pleased I did.

What I'm sure happened is that with the recent long sunny record 150-day drought, when in the high mountains I'd usually have my wide-brimmed leather hat on, sunglasses all the time, and also always with my sleeves rolled down to guard against the very high UV levels.

So with all that, very little of my skin was actually ever exposed to the sun. :facepalm:

And a few weeks ago when the drought ended and almost every day was cloudy and wet, I'd have my sleeves still rolled down because it was so cold. :)

In my case here, it's super-easy to fix, as I'm boosting my daily Vitamin D supplement and I'll test my level again next month.

Moral of the story: never assume one's levels of anything are fine. And do check them regularly if it's easy and inexpensive to do so.

(And I have a parallel story about B12, shared on this different thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115544-Vitamin-B12-deficiency-what-is-going-on&p=1650565&viewfull=1#post1650565))

:thumbsup:

[Mike Gorman]

Bill, I noted that you used to take 5,000 IU's every other day, from what I can gather from the researchers John Campbell refers to, 4,000 IU's per day is preferable. I also had a deficiency which found me struggling to get up out of chairs, feeling exhausted all the time and generally 'under par' - my doctor at the time ordered a blood test and as you would expect, my D3 level was not good. This has made me doubly aware of how important D3 is, I know we can overdo things, and calcium issues can be a problem, but you have to really exceed to get there. This chat might be of value if you have not caught this one, I take 4,000 IU's per day and this seems to be ideal. Cheers
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[grapevine]

Good advice Mike G, I take the same as you but also take a magnesium capsule as low magnesium impedes the D3 (only learned that recently, again from Dr Eric Berg). Not sure whether I have the dose right as some are listed in mg and others in iu.

While writing many thanks to Harmony who suggrsted, a few months back, that the palpitations I experienced from supplements could be due to additives, fillers and binders. I check now that there are no preservatives if any kind and never gave it a thought before .

[Harmony]

I am so pleased that information has helped you too grapevine.:stars: Each of us may have our own sensitivities to certain ingredients. Also, I try and buy supplements in capsules rather than hard tablets because they seem to be easier to absorb, and also you can empty the capsules into a smoothy type drink and make them even more quickly available in your system too.




Good advice Mike G, I take the same as you but also take a magnesium capsule as low magnesium impedes the D3 (only learned that recently, again from Dr Eric Berg). Not sure whether I have the dose right as some are listed in mg and others in iu.

While writing many thanks to Harmony who suggrsted, a few months back, that the palpitations I experienced from supplements could be due to additives, fillers and binders. I check now that there are no preservatives if any kind and never gave it a thought before .

[Dennis Leahy]

A small personal anecdote that might be instructive. I treated myself to a blood test a few days ago, very cheap and easy in Ecuador. (Just walk into a lab and ask them to please test X, Y and Z.)

To my astonishment, my Vitamin D levels were very low – just over 22 ng/ml. As posted earlier in the thread, one ideally needs a level of 60 or more to be safely immune to any viruses.

As I live at a high altitude and hike the mountains regularly — and take a 5000 IU Vitamin D capsule every other day! — I'd assumed my levels were all fine and strong. But it was simple to test just as routine, and I'm pleased I did.

What I'm sure happened is that with the recent long sunny record 150-day drought, when in the high mountains I'd usually have my wide-brimmed leather hat on, sunglasses all the time, and also always with my sleeves rolled down to guard against the very high UV levels.

So with all that, very little of my skin was actually ever exposed to the sun. :facepalm:

And a few weeks ago when the drought ended and almost every day was cloudy and wet, I'd have my sleeves still rolled down because it was so cold. :)

In my case here, it's super-easy to fix, as I'm boosting my daily Vitamin D supplement and I'll test my level again next month.

Moral of the story: never assume one's levels of anything are fine. And do check them regularly if it's easy and inexpensive to do so.

(And I have a parallel story about B12, shared on this different thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115544-Vitamin-B12-deficiency-what-is-going-on&p=1650565&viewfull=1#post1650565))

:thumbsup:
Realize that it takes your liver 2 to 4 WEEKS to break down the D3 into the form of vitamin D that the body utilizes. After all the vitamin D info that came out from covid, we know our vitamin D level is critical to our immune system's health. We also know that high doses (10,000 IU/day to 20,000 IU/day) are safe, but, because D3 also releases some calcium into the blood, that we must concurrently supplement vitamin K2, which takes the calcium out of our blood and deposits it on bones, instead of arterial walls. Magnesium is yet another mineral that works in synergy with vitamin D.

{edit, to add:
I think the notion of "adequate" amounts of specific vitamins is not a good way to look at dosing vitamins. Mineral dosage is a different issue - you don't do "mega-doses" of minerals, you stay within an established range - there have already been Guinea pigs that have overdosed each major and trace mineral, so we know the range. But there are a number of vitamins that have shown to be highly therapeutic in high doses, doses far beyond the US government "recommendations" or the amount in your Flintstones vitamins. Vitamin D3 tops that list.

Vitamins A, D, E, and K (both K1 and K2) are fat soluble (as are a few modern variants of standard vitamins, like benfotiamine as B1), so they can theoretically be over-dosed. I'm not recommending Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas amounts of vitamins, but think it is smart to look at the upper range for "safety" of Vitamin D, and check the work of current researchers, rather than Big Pharma's recommended tiny amounts that will keep a prisoner alive (and that will keep us as their clients.)

I recently went from 5000 IU (125mg) per day to 10,000 IU (250mg) per day, and I expect it will take my immunity up to Captain America's shield level.;)
}

[RunningDeer]

Dr. Roger Seheult, MD:


As you get older, it's harder to make vitamin D.
I started to look for things that boost the immune system. Things that might enhance it. Many of the patients that were coming in and doing well because they had high vitamin D levels, it might not have been just the vitamin D that was doing the heavy lifting. If you're going to supplement with dose is more than 1000 to 2000 international units, you really need to get your level checked. Anything north of Tennessee (USA) or that latitude, you're not gonna get enough vitamin D.


Increase Vitamin D: Fix Viruses & Inflammation Naturally (1:10:00)




December 11, 2024
The Primal Podcast (https://www.youtube.com/@ThePrimal.Podcast/videos)




Dr. Roger Seheult, MD, explains the important role Vitamin D may have in the prevention and treatment of viruses.

Dr. Seheult's Protocols Increase Vitamin D (https://www.theprimal.com/lab/increase-vitamin-d-fix-viruses-inflammation-naturally)

Dr. Seheult explains how Vitamin D works, summarizes the best available data and clinical trials on vitamin D, and discusses vitamin D dosage recommendations.

Roger Seheult, MD is Co-Founder of MedCram and an Associate Professor at the University of California, Riverside School of Medicine and Assistant Prof. at Loma Linda University School of Medicine. He is Quadruple Board Certified: Internal Medicine, Pulmonary Disease, Critical Care, & Sleep Medicine.
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Timestamps:

00:00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnfWazjsBw&t=0s) Intro

02:53 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnfWazjsBw&t=173s) Vitamin D deficiency + prevalence

05:58 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnfWazjsBw&t=358s) Vitamin D - the role of the body

08:05 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnfWazjsBw&t=485s) Vitamin D and autoimmune conditions

10:05 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnfWazjsBw&t=605s) Vitamin D helps with cancer

10:55 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnfWazjsBw&t=655s) High dose vitamin D

15:04 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnfWazjsBw&t=904s) Vitamin D vs vaccines for viruses

19:34 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnfWazjsBw&t=1174s) Dr. Roger Seheult's story

27:15 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnfWazjsBw&t=1635s) Tool: Vitamin D dose - how much you need

29:26 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnfWazjsBw&t=1766s) Tool: Vitamin D toxicity

30:29 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnfWazjsBw&t=1829s) Tool: How to get Vitamin D naturally

34:58 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnfWazjsBw&t=2098s) Tool: Sunscreen and vitamin D

38:14 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnfWazjsBw&t=2294s) Tool: Vitamin D3 vs vitamin D2

40:15 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnfWazjsBw&t=2415s) Dr Seheult's opinion about the vaccine

47:40 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnfWazjsBw&t=2860s) Myocarditis: Side effects from the vaccine

52:27 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnfWazjsBw&t=3147s) Spike protein

55:13 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnfWazjsBw&t=3313s) Tool: Hot & cold therapy

01:00:43 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnfWazjsBw&t=3643s) Tool: Sleep & circadian rhythms

01:07:01 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnfWazjsBw&t=4021s): Tool: Steps to boost immune system

01:12:55 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnfWazjsBw&t=4375s) Free guide to increase vitamin D; support the podcast, watch next

[grapevine]

The good news is that this is a gem of an interview and is recommended viewing for those who are concerned with their Vitamin D intake and good health in general. The first minute will grab your attention. The bad news is that it's quite a long video but also worthwhile as you can follow Dr Stasha Gominak's reasoning and makes perfect sense. It also brings back that feeling of awe about the miraculous workings of the human body

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74F22bjBmqE&t=4067s&ab_channel=HighIntensityHealth (1:24:17)
It turns out that Vitamin D3 is part of a cycle which, when complete, enables the body to carry out the necessary repairs by synthesising B vitamins when we're deeply asleep. The problem for many of us is that we don't get enough of the proper sleep and start experiencing symptoms which sends us off to the doctor. We are also uniquely individual and so it's not a case of one size fits all.

This video is the one I watched this morning (timestamp below) and which impacted me greatly, but as it was posted 7 years ago and there may have been updated information then, I've included a link to the later video, which is also much longer at 2+ hours.


0:00 Intro
02:29 Hundreds of Dr. Gominak’s patients, children, teenagers and young healthy females, didn’t have REM sleep.
04:42 Sleep apnea, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue were not recognized in the 1960s and 1970s, because they were not epidemic.
07:21 Vitamin D and the brain stem are major players in deep sleep.
10:03 You must be paralyzed in order to achieve the proper levels of sleep.
14:21 Why would an 8 year old have more than one sleep disorder?
16:02 There has been a major historical shift from living/working/playing outside.
17:07 Once you replace vitamin D, the body slowly changes from a vitamin D deficient body to a B deficient body.
18:08 While bears hibernate, their microbiome consumes the colonic mucus, which makes all of the B vitamins to meet the bear’s metabolic needs during hibernation. Does ours?
22:05 Why Did It Take 2 Years to Become B Deficient?
23:44 Each B vitamin has an intestinal bacterial source and a food source.
26:02 Wanted: Gut Bugs
31:39 You can fix your own bacteria with vitamin D levels above 40 and take B100 or B50 for 3 months.
32:58 The sodium linked multivitamin transport system pumps 3 vitamins, pantothenic acid, alpha lipoic acid and biotin, into our digestive system and our brain.
36:24 Dr. Gominak sees a correlation between autism and vitamin D deficiency.
38:27 The development of sexual dysmorphism and sleep.
42:34 When a child cannot get out of bed in the morning, this is may be the brain demanding that they go back to sleep to get REM.
44:03 A lack of REM sleep cheats a child of their normal development.
47:15 Children and adults normally make small subtle movements and tiny vocalizations, not talking, walking or falling out of bed.
48:27 Taking the Weston A. Price westernization theory to another level.
56:02 Breastfeeding enlarges nasal passages.
57:28 Dr. Gominak believes that vitamin D is trophic to the bacteria that we are supposed to have in our gut.
59:24 Pantothenic acid not only makes acetylcholine, it makes cortisol.
60:11 Acetylcholine is a chemical used by the vagus nerve.
01:07:46 A test result of pantothenic acid levels will parallel magnesium levels. It tells you what is in the blood, but not what is in the stores.
01:09:10 Perhaps we are completely self-healing with REM sleep.
01:12:26 Dr. Gominak’s Morning Routine
01:13:31 The ketogenic diet helps people to live longer. Being ketogenic during REM sleep helps us repair. We were probably designed to go into ketosis for at least 12 hours every night.
01:15:08 A new theory is that the tricarboxylic acid/CREB cycle, which is used when you are using fats as your energy supply, may have a different purpose. It may not be about making ATP.
0101:19:33 Dr. Gominak’s desert island herb, nutrient or supplement: Her choice is vitamin D, even on a desert island.
01:30:35 Dr. Gominak’s Elevator Pitch: We can impact our children, especially children of color. It they don’t go outside, they don’t make enough vitamin D.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1Qm5x7Lxgc&t=19s&ab_channel=HighIntensityHealth

[Bill Ryan]

A small personal anecdote that might be instructive. I treated myself to a blood test a few days ago, very cheap and easy in Ecuador. (Just walk into a lab and ask them to please test X, Y and Z.)

To my astonishment, my Vitamin D levels were very low – just over 22 ng/ml. As posted earlier in the thread, one ideally needs a level of 60 or more to be safely immune to any viruses.The last 10 days, I've been taking 10000 IU vitamin D a day to boost my levels. I wasn't concerned about the low test results at all as I knew I'd been shielding my skin from the sun a lot.

So I had it tested again this morning, and my levels are lower still, now down to 17 ng/ml.

Dennis explained above:

Realize that it takes your liver 2 to 4 WEEKS to break down the D3 into the form of vitamin D that the body utilizes. After all the vitamin D info that came out from covid, we know our vitamin D level is critical to our immune system's health. We also know that high doses (10,000 IU/day to 20,000 IU/day) are safe, but, because D3 also releases some calcium into the blood, that we must concurrently supplement vitamin K2, which takes the calcium out of our blood and deposits it on bones, instead of arterial walls. Magnesium is yet another mineral that works in synergy with vitamin D.


My mineral levels are all high and fine, and I take K2 every other day.

Could this new even lower test result be because of the 2-4 week time lag that Dennis refers to?

:worried::worried::worried: :ROFL:

[Vicus]

To my astonishment, my Vitamin D levels were very low – just over 22 ng/ml. As posted earlier in the thread, one ideally needs a level of 60 or more to be safely immune to any viruses.[/QUOTE]The last 10 days, I've been taking 10000 IU vitamin D a day to boost my levels. I wasn't concerned about the low test results at all as I knew I'd been shielding my skin from the sun a lot.


For Bill...

Well, it is Summer in Ecuador now, what about just take a sun bad every day? :sunny:



PS: I know, you got a too pale skin...but there is a trick...

In one of my previous life...I frequented Spanish beaches and learned this:

NONE Spaniard lay under the sun between 12-15 hours,EVER!

Best hours for you are the early hours (9-11) and the later ...

For health (not tan) 15 minutes for every side are enough.

And so avoid to become a flambéed shrimp :chuckle: like the rest normies North Europeans... :fire: :facepalm:

Of course NO Sun blockers, maybe after shower a good "after Sun" stuff et voila!

[Dennis Leahy]

A small personal anecdote that might be instructive. I treated myself to a blood test a few days ago, very cheap and easy in Ecuador. (Just walk into a lab and ask them to please test X, Y and Z.)

To my astonishment, my Vitamin D levels were very low – just over 22 ng/ml. As posted earlier in the thread, one ideally needs a level of 60 or more to be safely immune to any viruses.The last 10 days, I've been taking 10000 IU vitamin D a day to boost my levels. I wasn't concerned about the low test results at all as I knew I'd been shielding my skin from the sun a lot.

So I had it tested again this morning, and my levels are lower still, now down to 17 ng/ml.

Dennis explained above:

Realize that it takes your liver 2 to 4 WEEKS to break down the D3 into the form of vitamin D that the body utilizes. After all the vitamin D info that came out from covid, we know our vitamin D level is critical to our immune system's health. We also know that high doses (10,000 IU/day to 20,000 IU/day) are safe, but, because D3 also releases some calcium into the blood, that we must concurrently supplement vitamin K2, which takes the calcium out of our blood and deposits it on bones, instead of arterial walls. Magnesium is yet another mineral that works in synergy with vitamin D.


My mineral levels are all high and fine, and I take K2 every other day.

Could this new even lower test result be because of the 2-4 week time lag that Dennis refers to?

:worried::worried::worried: :ROFL:


Here's a relatively quick video about vitamin D3 and the modified compound released by the liver: calcifidiol. (And, synthesized calcifidiol is a medical breakthrough, and should be on every hospital formulary, and administered to every patient, or at least every ICU patient.)
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May I recommend that you take the K2 (100mcg dose of K-2 per 10,000IU of D3) every day. Otherwise, on Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and Sunday, the calcium that will be in your blood will be deposited in your arteries and at inflamed sites. :sick: On the days you DO take K2, the calcium in your blood (which will go up every day when you take in vitamin D) will be removed from the blood and is deposited on bones - where it belongs. YES!

Therapeutic vitamin D involves vitamin D3, magnesium, and K2 at therapeutic dosage simultaneously. (This is kind of assuming that your other minerals and vitamins are also adequate, such as zinc and vitamin B-12, which also affect the D3 absorption.)

Dr. Brian Ardis recommends 500mg+ of magnesium per day , which is double what I've been taking. I am going to double up and get closer to 500mg.


{edit} oops: the video isn't short, but the timing of D3 to calcifidiol pathway is mentioned within the first 10 minutes. Jump to just before the 7:00 mark to see a chart illustrating how quickly/slowly the D3 is converted. Looks like about 21 days to get up to around 40ng/ml, for someone starting at zero, maybe 14 days for someone starting at around 20. At 17ng/ml, you're a Petri dish.

[Bill Ryan]

At 17ng/ml, you're a Petri dish.Made me laugh! :P:ROFL: But I feel 100% fine.

Thanks for all the excellent info, and I'll double my intake of K2. All other levels are good and normal. I'm thinking my Vit D level will be up at 50+ within another 4 weeks.


Well, it is Summer in Ecuador now, what about just take a sun bath every day? :sunny:Ah no, the 6 month summer in Ecuador is July—December. The 6 month rainy season is January—June, but this time (after a record 150-day drought with super-high UV levels and gorgeous blue skies every day) the rains came early, and it's been cold, wet and gray for about a month now. :worried:

[Vicus]

OK,that's why Ecuador is called...

Argentina is the last country UNDER the Ecuator, Summer is December,January and Februar. :sun:

PS:

Check again my previous post... there is something new...

[Bill Ryan]

An update. (I don't want to hog this thread! But what I'm experiencing is a little hard to understand — though I'm not at all worried about it. :))

On 6 January, a month ago, I did a purely routine blood test — and found, to my surprise, that my Vitamin D level was way too low, at 22.66.

I immediately started taking 10,000 IU of Vit D3 a day — from a bottle I'd had on the shelf and not used before. (I'd actually ordered it by accident over a year ago. Looking carefully now at the label, the expiry date was Dec 2024.).

I tested it again on 16 Jan, and it had sunk to 17.34. (OMG!)

Dennis observed (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43491-Vitamin-D-beats-vaccines-every-day&p=1651666&viewfull=1#post1651666) that I was a walking human petri dish. :P He explained about Vitamin K2, which I doubled per day immediately.

Two days ago I tested it again, confident that it had to be back to normal. (I'd even followed Vicus' advice and — carefully! — rolled up my sleeves in all but the most piercing mountain sunshine.)

But my level had crept up to merely 19.97, still lower than a month previously.

I even emailed the laboratory head (a doctor in biochemistry) and asked her to very kindly double-check the numbers. She did, and assured me that the test result was good.

So now I'm changing the brand of my D3.

I'm suspecting that with an expiry date of Dec 2024, the impressively labeled 10,000 IU capsules may have become impotent, with almost nothing in them. (Internet searches suggest D3 does lose potency over time.)

I'll test it again in a couple of weeks, after taking 2x 4000 IU capsules per day of a new brand which I've just bought locally.

So, in summary:


I'm not worried about this at all. I feel fine in every way. It's merely an odd mystery to solve.
If it's the brand or the bottle that's the problem (actually delivering little or nothing!), that'd be quite a lesson to learn.
The whole thing does make me wonder what unknowns might be lying in potential ambush for those many people who never have a blood test of any kind and might have no idea what's out of balance.

No need to reply, or express any concern! All is well. I'll update again here in a couple of weeks, just in case this might be of any value to anyone out there.. :)

[Ashiris]

25 Best Vitamin D3 Supplements
https://www.smeetsengraas.nl/en/category/vitamin-d3/

[RunningDeer]

"If you don't take the correct kind of vitamin D and have the proper lab work checked to monitor it, you can suffer from the symptoms of deficiency." ~ Dr. Ken Berry




Dr. Ken Berry: I was listening to a podcast and this guy was talking about magnesium deficiency and vitamin D deficiency and how it was epidemic in America, and no one was checking it and no one knew anything about it. So I thought I don't think that's true but the next time I draw lab work on some patients I'll check a few vitamin Ds and some magnesiums and we'll just see.

I was already checking magnesium and I haven't seen that at all. So I started checking vitamin D and at first I was checking a vitamin D125 which is the wrong test to check and the more I read, I finally figured out that I need to be checking a vitamin D25 level in my patient.

It was years ago and so when I finally got that right, I started to see that far more than 50% of my patients were deficient in vitamin D. And it kind of blew me away. Some people were a little deficient, but some people had almost a zero level of vitamin D in their blood which really worried me. So I really started to study about vitamin D. I joined the National Osteoporosis Foundation. I became very interested in bone health and vitamin D and the more I read the more I've discovered that vitamin D is very important for bone health, but it's also very important for hundreds of other things to optimize your health.


VITAMIN D DEFICIENCY & Treatment (Which and How Much?) (11 min)





Dr. Ken Berry (https://www.youtube.com/@KenDBerryMD/videos)
3.45M subscribers

Have you had your vitamin D levels checked? If you don't take the correct kind of vitamin D and have the proper labwork checked to monitor it, you can suffer from the symptoms of deficiency.

In this video I'll share with you which kind and how much to take to avoid Vitamin D Deficiency.

The risk of everything from osteomalacia to infection to cancer can be reduced by optimizing your Vitamin D level. Have a question about Vitamin D? Leave it in the comment section and I'll answer all that I can.


-FKS7C5BcbE

An update. (I don't want to hog this thread! But what I'm experiencing is a little hard to understand — though I'm not at all worried about it. :))

On 6 January, a month ago, I did a purely routine blood test — and found, to my surprise, that my Vitamin D level was way too low, at 22.66.

I immediately started taking 10,000 IU of Vit D3 a day — from a bottle I'd had on the shelf and not used before. (I'd actually ordered it by accident over a year ago. Looking carefully now at the label, the expiry date was Dec 2024.).

I tested it again on 16 Jan, and it had sunk to 17.34. (OMG!)

Dennis observed (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43491-Vitamin-D-beats-vaccines-every-day&p=1651666&viewfull=1#post1651666) that I was a walking human petri dish. :P He explained about Vitamin K2, which I doubled per day immediately.

Two days ago I tested it again, confident that it had to be back to normal. (I'd even followed Vicus' advice and — carefully! — rolled up my sleeves in all but the most piercing mountain sunshine.)

But my level had crept up to merely 19.97, still lower than a month previously.

I even emailed the laboratory head (a doctor in biochemistry) and asked her to very kindly double-check the numbers. She did, and assured me that the test result was good.

So now I'm changing the brand of my D3.

I'm suspecting that with an expiry date of Dec 2024, the impressively labeled 10,000 IU capsules may have become impotent, with almost nothing in them. (Internet searches suggest D3 does lose potency over time.)

I'll test it again in a couple of weeks, after taking 2x 4000 IU capsules per day of a new brand which I've just bought locally.

So, in summary:


I'm not worried about this at all. I feel fine in every way. It's merely an odd mystery to solve.
If it's the brand or the bottle that's the problem (actually delivering little or nothing!), that'd be quite a lesson to learn.
The whole thing does make me wonder what unknowns might be lying in potential ambush for those many people who never have a blood test of any kind and might have no idea what's out of balance.

No need to reply, or express any concern! All is well. I'll update again here in a couple of weeks, just in case this might be of any value to anyone out there.. :)

[RunningDeer]

So now I'm changing the brand of my D3.

I'm suspecting that with an expiry date of Dec 2024, the impressively labeled 10,000 IU capsules may have become impotent, with almost nothing in them. (Internet searches suggest D3 does lose potency over time.)


What you suspect matches the article below, Bill. https://i.imgur.com/LAk0Fum.gif

I’ve added these vitamin D sources to my diet at least a couple of times a week. Plus I added one more product though I don't take it as often.


Wild Cod Liver Canned From Iceland (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B081TBWLCN/ref=ox_sc_act_image_2?smid=A2Q823P19M3TTV&th=1)

https://i.imgur.com/ODTh3ci.png


King Oscar Sardines Extra Virgin Olive Oil (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0025UK92C?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1)


https://i.imgur.com/TM0RpWq.png

Grass Fed Desiccated Beef Liver Capsules (https://www.amazon.com/Grass-fed-Liver-Capsules-Dessicated-Milligrams/dp/B07MS8MXF5/ref=sr_1_6?crid=2XEF0B10JQX13&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.vdNqGn373u1wqifQ6KShqnLDJsLNrwfUCoTyhnwDYQs_-wSt4Ow3yBDoI99uUNjjyyovM9ksb6Xg7zyRNaEEcHJJ-qIAd4FUNeqtjOOWqqy3Zc9J711XgXVT2HTHU95KQfApDtz1Kgz7tQVd8U-Jh61Vnqwe4cvEwqfeLyZsuKsfcmIPjMf1tsCkm4LqE0I_X_RufGMWjSah0dFMWc2bwb_5YwiCFVVsG7XNv0-_S-_6eswDSoYxek_VAXDuiEGE0ZdULN7pOFeVU8XeIuRNNtkK6PNSVfbWbqGQ1oZIweM.6TUyeEzxpJ1pfCz7M6ZSeXLEGKq16PSp0-iDsdjETGY&dib_tag=se&keywords=freeze+dried+organ+meat+capsules&qid=1733262354&sprefix=,aps,93&sr=8-6) - Natural Iron, Vitamin A, B12 for Energy - Humanely Pasture Raised Undefatted in New Zealand Without Hormones or Chemicals

https://i.imgur.com/hCUwuga.png


Is Vitamin D the same as Vitamin D3?

There are five forms of Vitamin D - D1, D2, D3, D4 and D5. The most important forms used by the body are D2 and D3. Supplemental Vitamin D comes in either of these two forms:

Ergocalciferol (Vitamin D2)
Cholecalciferol (Vitamin D3)


The notion that Vitamin D2 and D3 were equivalent to each other was based on historical studies of rickets prevention in children which lead it to become known simply as Vitamin D.

Where do you get Vitamin D from?


Vitamin D is synthesised in the skin as Vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol). It is obtained from dietary sources or supplements in either Vitamin D3 or Vitamin D2 (ergocalciferol) form.

Plant sources provide you with Vitamin D2. The more beneficial Vitamin D3 is the form naturally produced by your body and can only be obtained via animal/fish based sources such as:


Oily fish e.g. salmon, mackerel, tuna and sardines
Egg yolk
Unpasteurised milk
Margarine
Some yoghurts


Clinical Trials have proved Vitamin D3 to be superior to Vitamin D2.

A 2011 Cochrane Database study highlighted the significant differences between the two and examined mortality rates for people who supplemented their diets with Vitamin D2, versus those who did so with Vitamin D3. The analysis of 50 randomised controlled trials, which included almost 100,000 participants, showed a 6% relative risk reduction among those who used D3, and a 2% relative risk increase among those who used D2.

Your body deals with the different types very differently.

According to recent research, Vitamin D3 is approximately 85% better in raising and maintaining Vitamin D concentrations in the body and produces 200-300% greater storage of Vitamin D than Vitamin D2.

With either form your body must convert it into a more active form, and Vitamin D3 is converted 500 percent faster than Vitamin D2.

Vitamin D2 has a shorter shelf life and it binds poorly with proteins in your blood which further hinders its effectiveness.

If it just says "Vitamin D" how do you know what you are taking?


If your supplement packaging just says Vitamin D with no number after the letter D, look at the ingredients list and check to see if it says from ergocalciferol (which is D2) or cholecalciferol (which is D3).

Milk has long been known as a good source of Calcium, Magnesium and Vitamins A, C, D and E, however milk in the UK contains very little Vitamin D. In the USA milk is fortified with Vitamin D but we have not followed suit with this practice yet. Our fortified foods include margarine (which is required by law to contain Vitamin D), some yoghurts and breakfast cereals.

link (https://www.justvitamins.co.uk/blog/is-vitamin-d-the-same-as-vitamin-d3/#:~:text=There%20are%20five%20forms%20of,Ergocalciferol%20(Vitamin%20D2))

:heart:

[happyuk]

Interesting thread. And interesting that Bill noticed such a slow increase in vitamin D levels in spite of the consistent supplementation.

I personally recommend traditional, fermented, unpasteurized cod liver oil, as recommended by the Weston A. Price Foundation (https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/cod-liver-oil-the-number-one-superfood/#gsc.tab=0), as the means of putting the lead in my pencil. This stuff is very potent, with a strong flavour and smell that can be a challenge for some people, so I get it in capsule format.

Like a lot of things, it's rocketed in price, but I take comfort in the fact it has been used for centuries as a supplement to support health, bones, and overall well-being. If it was good enough for the Vikings it's good enough for me! From what I've researched getting your Vitamin D in cod liver oil format has a number of things going for it:


It has a higher availability of nutrients compared to synthetic equivalents and may be more easily absorbed by your body.

Vitamin A and K2: The vitamin A and K2 in cod liver oil can work synergistically with vitamin D, which is important for calcium metabolism and bone health. This is similar to what Bill is doing by supplementing with vitamin K2 alongside your D3, but from a whole food source.

Omega-3 Fatty Acids: These are critical for overall health, supporting heart, brain, and immune function. The presence of omega-3s can help your body metabolize vitamins and minerals more efficiently, which could assist with increasing your vitamin D levels.

The Fermentation Process: The Vikings would place the cod livers in barrels of seawater to putrefy, and the oil skimmed off over time. The fermentation process may actually improve the absorption and potency of the nutrients in the oil, as fermentation can break down compounds that would otherwise inhibit absorption. Fermented cod liver oil also often has fewer impurities and is considered to be a more "bioactive" form of supplementation.

[Bill Ryan]

A new article from Dr. Mercola: :muscle:

https://media.mercola.com/ImageServer/Public/2025/February/PDF/power-of-vitamin-d-pdf.pdf


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znbZSO3Kao0
https://media.mercola.com/ImageServer/Public/2025/February/PDF/power-of-vitamin-d-pdf.pdf

[Casey Claar]

Interesting thread. And interesting that Bill noticed such a slow increase in vitamin D levels in spite of the consistent supplementation.

I personally recommend traditional, fermented, unpasteurized cod liver oil, as recommended by the Weston A. Price Foundation (https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/cod-liver-oil-the-number-one-superfood/#gsc.tab=0), as the means of putting the lead in my pencil. This stuff is very potent, with a strong flavour and smell that can be a challenge for some people, so I get it in capsule format.

Like a lot of things, it's rocketed in price, but I take comfort in the fact it has been used for centuries as a supplement to support health, bones, and overall well-being. If it was good enough for the Vikings it's good enough for me! From what I've researched getting your Vitamin D in cod liver oil format has a number of things going for it:


It has a higher availability of nutrients compared to synthetic equivalents and may be more easily absorbed by your body.

Vitamin A and K2: The vitamin A and K2 in cod liver oil can work synergistically with vitamin D, which is important for calcium metabolism and bone health. This is similar to what Bill is doing by supplementing with vitamin K2 alongside your D3, but from a whole food source.

Omega-3 Fatty Acids: These are critical for overall health, supporting heart, brain, and immune function. The presence of omega-3s can help your body metabolize vitamins and minerals more efficiently, which could assist with increasing your vitamin D levels.

The Fermentation Process: The Vikings would place the cod livers in barrels of seawater to putrefy, and the oil skimmed off over time. The fermentation process may actually improve the absorption and potency of the nutrients in the oil, as fermentation can break down compounds that would otherwise inhibit absorption. Fermented cod liver oil also often has fewer impurities and is considered to be a more "bioactive" form of supplementation.


Where do source this, happyuk?

[happyuk]

Interesting thread. And interesting that Bill noticed such a slow increase in vitamin D levels in spite of the consistent supplementation.

I personally recommend traditional, fermented, unpasteurized cod liver oil, as recommended by the Weston A. Price Foundation (https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/cod-liver-oil-the-number-one-superfood/#gsc.tab=0), as the means of putting the lead in my pencil. This stuff is very potent, with a strong flavour and smell that can be a challenge for some people, so I get it in capsule format.

Like a lot of things, it's rocketed in price, but I take comfort in the fact it has been used for centuries as a supplement to support health, bones, and overall well-being. If it was good enough for the Vikings it's good enough for me! From what I've researched getting your Vitamin D in cod liver oil format has a number of things going for it:


It has a higher availability of nutrients compared to synthetic equivalents and may be more easily absorbed by your body.

Vitamin A and K2: The vitamin A and K2 in cod liver oil can work synergistically with vitamin D, which is important for calcium metabolism and bone health. This is similar to what Bill is doing by supplementing with vitamin K2 alongside your D3, but from a whole food source.

Omega-3 Fatty Acids: These are critical for overall health, supporting heart, brain, and immune function. The presence of omega-3s can help your body metabolize vitamins and minerals more efficiently, which could assist with increasing your vitamin D levels.

The Fermentation Process: The Vikings would place the cod livers in barrels of seawater to putrefy, and the oil skimmed off over time. The fermentation process may actually improve the absorption and potency of the nutrients in the oil, as fermentation can break down compounds that would otherwise inhibit absorption. Fermented cod liver oil also often has fewer impurities and is considered to be a more "bioactive" form of supplementation.


Where do source this, happyuk?

Hi Casey I got my information primarily from the Weston A Price articles below:

Cod Liver Oil: Our Number ONE Superfood (https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/cod-liver-oil-the-number-one-superfood/#gsc.tab=0)

Discusses the nutrient density and benefits of cod liver oil, including its high content of vitamins A, D, and omega-3s

Fat-Soluble Activators (https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics-category/fat-soluble-activators)

A series of articles on fat-soluble activators. It includes discussions on nutrients like vitamins A, D, and K2, which play vital roles in nutrient absorption and metabolism. The articles also explore the synergy between fat-soluble vitamins and omega-3s, as well as their impact on bone health and overall well-being.

Nutrition and Physical Degeneration (https://www.scribd.com/doc/39422598/Nutrition-and-Physical-Degeneration-Weston-a-Price)

Dr. Weston A. Price’s book, which deals with the traditional diets rich in fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, and K2), which discusses among things foods like cod liver oil, and how they are crucial for optimal health, particularly in the development of bones and teeth.

Contains fascinating photographic comparisons of how modern, processed foods lead to degenerative diseases when abandoning traditional foods, particularly in indigenous groups around the world, including the Swiss, Eskimos, Aborigines of Australia, and Maori of New Zealand and Scottish Islanders.

The Nordic Food Lab (https://nordicfoodlab.wordpress.com/2012/03/25/2012-03-fermentation-traditional-biotechnology/)

An insightful piece on traditional fermentation methods, including those used by the Vikings that I talked about. This article discusses how the Vikings fermented cod livers in barrels of seawater, allowing natural fermentation to occur over time. The process not only preserved the cod liver oil but also enhanced its nutrient profile, making it more bioavailable.

Andy

[Dennis Leahy]

An update. (I don't want to hog this thread! But what I'm experiencing is a little hard to understand — though I'm not at all worried about it. :))

On 6 January, a month ago, I did a purely routine blood test — and found, to my surprise, that my Vitamin D level was way too low, at 22.66.

I immediately started taking 10,000 IU of Vit D3 a day — from a bottle I'd had on the shelf and not used before. (I'd actually ordered it by accident over a year ago. Looking carefully now at the label, the expiry date was Dec 2024.).

I tested it again on 16 Jan, and it had sunk to 17.34. (OMG!)

Dennis observed (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43491-Vitamin-D-beats-vaccines-every-day&p=1651666&viewfull=1#post1651666) that I was a walking human petri dish. :P He explained about Vitamin K2, which I doubled per day immediately.

Two days ago I tested it again, confident that it had to be back to normal. (I'd even followed Vicus' advice and — carefully! — rolled up my sleeves in all but the most piercing mountain sunshine.)

But my level had crept up to merely 19.97, still lower than a month previously.

I even emailed the laboratory head (a doctor in biochemistry) and asked her to very kindly double-check the numbers. She did, and assured me that the test result was good.

So now I'm changing the brand of my D3.

I'm suspecting that with an expiry date of Dec 2024, the impressively labeled 10,000 IU capsules may have become impotent, with almost nothing in them. (Internet searches suggest D3 does lose potency over time.)

I'll test it again in a couple of weeks, after taking 2x 4000 IU capsules per day of a new brand which I've just bought locally.

So, in summary:



I'm not worried about this at all. I feel fine in every way. It's merely an odd mystery to solve.
If it's the brand or the bottle that's the problem (actually delivering little or nothing!), that'd be quite a lesson to learn.
The whole thing does make me wonder what unknowns might be lying in potential ambush for those many people who never have a blood test of any kind and might have no idea what's out of balance.


No need to reply, or express any concern! All is well. I'll update again here in a couple of weeks, just in case this might be of any value to anyone out there.. :)


Just making a note here that magnesium is required to assimilate vitamin D. It appears to me that magnesium kinda breaks a "rule" of mineral supplementation: a rather narrow, defined range of a daily dose, with problems occurring with too much or too little. Or, maybe magnesium just has a wider range than most minerals? I note that my 500mg magnesium pills (Jadin brand, from Canada), in the form of magnesium bisglycinate, recommends: "1 to 2 capsules, 1 to 3 times daily." That's a range of 500mg to 3000mg per day! That's unusual for minerals - you sure wouldn't want 6x selenium or 6x zinc or 6x iron supplements!

I suspect you're correct that the pills you possess have "half-lived" themselves to death. Maybe the high altitude, higher solar particle radiation breaks down vitamin D? But, if expired D3 doesn't turn out to be the issue (after you replace your vitamin D3), I'd guess it is a missing required co-factor, [magnesium, calcium, zinc, and iron] (and that is most likely magnesium.) The D is also fat soluble, so better to take with a meal containing fat. A squirt of MCT oil or a pat of butter in your coffee would help, if taking fat soluble supplements with just coffee.


{edit, to add} Bill said, "The whole thing does make me wonder what unknowns might be lying in potential ambush for those many people who never have a blood test of any kind and might have no idea what's out of balance."

Dr. John Campbell told us about a study of covid patients in the ICU (Denmark study?) that showed 100% of them had low vitamin D levels. We now know that Vitamin D is a critical component in a healthy immune system - not just "anti-rickets" medicine.

[Mike]

I'll add, for what it's worth, that all supplement brands are most certainly not created equal. Take it from someone who has tried an obscene amount of supplements over the years.

Takes a little trial and error. When trying something new, I almost always seek out supplements that offer 30 day refunds, so I have nothing to lose after I run the experiment.

While it's true that you get what you pay for most of the time, I'm occasionally surprised that a very cheaply priced supplement is far superior than the expensive ones. I just had this happen with a supplement called l-ergothioneine. The Double Wood brand (only $10), I discovered, is far superior to the far more expensive brand I had been using prior.

On the flip side of that coin, replacing a very expensive supplement with something cheaper probably backfires more often than not.

This supplement stuff isn't an exact science. Trial and error is the name of the game. Personally I find that my body responds to certain brands better, and generally speaking prefers gel caps more than powders and tablets. Just a matter of getting it dialed in for your specific physiology.

p.s. Just added a D3/K2 supplement recently. Brand name: Bronson Basics (cheap brand). I'll update here after a few weeks on it.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Recently we sought out a holistic center to help treat my husband's cancer diagnosis. The doc immediately had my husband increase his D3 from 5000 to 10,000. I guess she figured that his level must be low to have allowed the cancer to develop. She also tested his level at the same visit. But when the results came back in a week or so, it said his level was 106. 106???
He backed off right away back to 5000, and is taking it only 3-4 days a week. We were rather surprised that his level was so high, seeing that his immune system apparently allowed the cancer to happen.

[Dennis Leahy]

Recently we sought out a holistic center to help treat my husband's cancer diagnosis. The doc immediately had my husband increase his D3 from 5000 to 10,000. I guess she figured that his level must be low to have allowed the cancer to develop. She also tested his level at the same visit. But when the results came back in a week or so, it said his level was 106. 106???
He backed off right away back to 5000, and is taking it only 3-4 days a week. We were rather surprised that his level was so high, seeing that his immune system apparently allowed the cancer to happen.


Sue, I'm sending good thoughts and healing vibes your way, and your husband's! If his D levels are abnormally high, I'd wonder about his calcium blood levels, too. If he's not taking K2 (or eating grass-fed red meat or butter or natto...) then he may have a crazy high level of calcium in the blood (which will find sluggish spots in arteries to deposit the calcium.) The D3, K2, and magnesium is a "holy trifecta" we need to balance.


THC, - the fun stuff in cannabis - is also powerfully anti-cancer. THC is anti-angiogenic (stops creating new blood vessels to support the cancer), and turns apoptosis back on, in cancer cells, so they can die. I spoke with the director/documentarian for the movie "What If Cannabis Cured Cancer?", and he told me he made the title a question to avoid the FDA (big pharma's gangster pals) coming down on him. [Very nice guy - also allowed me to embed his documentary in my original 'Reset Button' website.] Ask Rick Simpson if cannabis cures cancer. (He claims to have cured thousands of people's cancers, before Canada ran him out of Canada. The "Rick Simpson protocol" for taking full spectrum cannabis oil remains a standard among caregivers. ) Ask GW Pharmaceuticals in the UK if cannabis cures cancer. (GW Pharmaceuticals holds a patent for full spectrum cannabis oil against glioblastoma.)

[thepainterdoug]

On Vit D I take 10,000 iu a day. When first doing, it gave me a little heart pain. I learned to back off and then up it slowly again. Now is fine. Im not sure why i felt that but it was definitely the D

And 100% on Colloidal silver for most all else. Remember to take your pre=pro biotics along with it

[norman]

I can't decide if this guy is just a crank or a crank and geeky genius.

He's VERY down on Vit D supplementation and some of the reasoning he goes through, although way over my head, kinda makes sense.

Help me figure this out.
note the date, 2015


Myers Detox Podcast - Rethinking Vitamin D with Morley Robbins (https://podbay.fm/p/myers-detox-podcast/e/1427299200?t=581)
59 minutes - Posted Mar 25, 2015


Show notes
Morley Robbins is back on the podcast this week! This time around he's teaching us about why we may need to start rethinking Vitamin D supplementation. Vitamin D is harmful if you don't need it.
It's a controversial topic but we're gonna talk about it anyway! Morley does not think that the majority of people taking Vitamin D should be taking it. Too much can induce Vitamin D toxicity. Everywhere we turn nowadays, from the grocery store to the blogosphere, it's posted that we need more Vitamin D intake. However, this may not always be true! In this episode of the podcast, Morley is going to share the reasons behind this and the potential health conditions that could be caused by excess Vitamin D supplementation.

[jaybee]

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watched this and thought of this thread -


Wow, my Vit D is low (14:00)


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video description...

19 Feb 2025
Despite taking 4,000 to 8,000 units per day for the past few months.

National Institute for Health and Care Excellence

NICE

Do not routinely test for vitamin D deficiency in people who are asymptomatic.

https://cks.nice.org.uk/topics/vitami...

Check the vitamin D level by measuring serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D (25[OH]D) if a person has:

Musculoskeletal symptoms

Suspected osteomalacia.

Chronic widespread pain with other features of osteomalacia (such as proximal muscle weakness).

Suspected bone disease that may be improved with vitamin D treatment, such as osteomalacia or osteoporosis.

Known bone disease, where correction of vitamin D deficiency is needed prior to specific treatment, such as:

Prior to Paget's disease treatment with a bisphosphonate.

Note: asymptomatic people at higher risk of vitamin D deficiency do not need routine testing for vitamin D deficiency,

but should be advised on the need for maintenance dose vitamin D supplementation.


I suspect it's all going to depend on absorption no matter how much Vit D supplement one takes...

I don't know if I'm Vit D deficient or not (but I have recently taken some in that fizzy drink form - with a fizzy tablet of magnesium as well...and vit C with it - so don't know if that's a good thing to do or not - to mix those three things - but I've done it anyway -)

on the subject of vitamins....

I know I'm low on Vit12 after a blood test at doctors... they wanted me to have the injections but I am suspicious of injections after the whole covid mRNA business....plus not convinced squirting a high amount into the body is an ok, long term thing to do - so for now - I've now got a Vit B12 supplement from the doctor and I'm doing a couple of things to try and help the absorption and increase my intake - then I'm having another blood test in 3 months...

Back to the Dr John Campbell video... looking at the comments below video - saw this....


I appreciate the JD Vance portrait in the background ☺️ I take 5000 IUD as I am generally very low, sub 10, and now sit around 70. Amazes me how shocked and concerned doctors are when I tell them I take 5000, and then when they check the safety of this, they tell me to keep going 🤔🙄 feel like I'm educating them.

re the bolded in above comment..... made me smile :)

[Bill Ryan]

watched this and thought of this thread -

Wow, my Vit D is low (14:00)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=DEGJgQjdfyo



And so is mine — still. It's baffling to me. I feel 100% fine, I'm not sick, I'm not anxious about this in any way and it's really just a very minor mystery, but I can't raise my Vit D levels whatever I do.

I don't want to bore anyone with this! :P But here's the history. These tests were done at 2 week intervals.


After taking 5000 IU every 2 days for ever: 22.66.
So I changed to 10000 IU per day (a different brand, now 4x as much): 17.34.
Then I doubled my K2, to 1400 mcg/day: 19.97.
Then I changed to 8000 IU per day (a different brand from a new bottle: 20.53.

After (3), my hypothesis was that both my 5000 and 10000 bottles had date-expired (I'd had them for. long time), and so I figured the the potency had dropped to almost nothing.

Then I bought a new bottle off the shelf. But the results in (4) showed almost no difference. (I tested my magnesium as well, and that's at a high normal.)

NOW, I'm taking 10000 IU from the old bottle + 8000 IU from the new bottle (= 18000 IU/day), and I'll check it again one more time in another couple of weeks. (Fortunately, testing is super-cheap here!)

If it's still low, my last remaining hypothesis, the only one I have left, is that the testing is flawed and I need to go to a different lab.

~~~

Does anyone have a clue what might be happening here?

Once again: this isn't a serious problem at all. It's merely puzzling. I'm hoping this isn't cluttering up the thread, and might somehow be useful or interesting to someone reading this. :)

[Harmony]

Cod liver oil is suppose to have the right combination of Vit D, Vit. A and K2 that work together. It's good to find one without preservatives if you can and use it up before the useby date.

[grapevine]

Are you taking enough magnesium Bill (leafy greens, nuts and pulses)? As I understand it, the magnesium takes a key role in activating the Vitamin D3, but if you're taking a supplement ideally shouldn't be taken together.

There are many different kinds of magnesium. Magnesium Glycinate appears to be the go-to
Magnesium doesn't show up in blood tests evidently:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lSQ2hnycLg&ab_channel=Dr.EricBergDC

[RunningDeer]

Does anyone have a clue what might be happening here?


Vitamin D is a pro hormone and or a vitamin in human body that is vital for hundreds and hundreds of chemical reactions, it's absolutely vinyl for optimal health. There are supplements out there that I talked about in the past but the more I learn, I realize that we need to get all of the vitamins and minerals we can from the foods that we eat. We don't want to get these vitamins in a fortified fashion. We want to get them from real whole foods that actually contain the vitamin in their usable form. I'm going to tell you the top 10 vitamin D rich foods that I recommend and five myths about vitamin D.


The top 10 myths begin @ 6:03 (https://youtu.be/uaC6VG0jvZg?si=ulINPgjlSiEEcBrl&t=363)



Top 10 VITAMIN D Rich Foods + 5 Vit D Myths - 2024




KenDBerryMD (https://www.youtube.com/@KenDBerryMD/videos)
3.46M subscribers
Evidence-Based Nutrition + Ancestral Health

Vitamin D is a prohormone/vitamin that facilitates hundreds of vital processes in your body. There are great food-sources of vitamin D, but we are often misled as to which foods contain the most usable Vitamin D.

Vitamin D is bountiful in certain foods, and absent in other food groups. It helps so much to know which is which because your health depends on it. Use this list to stock your fridge and pantry with Vitamin D rich foods. This is the Vitamin D & K Complex supplement (https://amzn.to/3h5lSvp) I use.


Common Sense Labs: Blood Labs Demystified (https://www.amazon.com/Common-Sense-Labs-Blood-Demystified/dp/B0CFCK3DVL?crid=161MFVG218PB3&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.olQcVIq1EAI53tDl6mxkicEQNe0SsVxjYxOeoNvTBf91qzrJ-oN0gsGUYhajErUOIE3A0UzyEKuh54sAg466vD8TYLngPc2yw2JepDyQ99iK-uy2Fe51z9V0nnEEY3EFzLosm4ksXBCt2QxVogkyIFp-BEUzWDX-QEx5mUhX-V6dzCzOaajai8S_4OV_AJwEp0JO2nfJu58sOjaXLNHFNXORzOC4DnPnCM1_jVukJCA.7bHJFeHnkmgRiqokLPEOguJ0y6616oKmg taPEmI6ZJM&dib_tag=se&keywords=dr+berry&qid=1735247672&sprefix=dr+berry,aps,161&sr=8-2&linkCode=sl1&tag=neishalovesit-20&linkId=a8efdea4f50f3d5e6a09b34d5a434c6b&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl)



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Common Sense Labs: Blood Labs Demystified
Ken Berry, MD & Kim Howerton

https://i.imgur.com/8ZIfO21.png



Summary (https://www.amazon.com/Common-Sense-Labs-Blood-Demystified/dp/B0CFCK3DVL?crid=161MFVG218PB3&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.olQcVIq1EAI53tDl6mxkicEQNe0SsVxjYxOeoNvTBf91qzrJ-oN0gsGUYhajErUOIE3A0UzyEKuh54sAg466vD8TYLngPc2yw2JepDyQ99iK-uy2Fe51z9V0nnEEY3EFzLosm4ksXBCt2QxVogkyIFp-BEUzWDX-QEx5mUhX-V6dzCzOaajai8S_4OV_AJwEp0JO2nfJu58sOjaXLNHFNXORzOC4DnPnCM1_jVukJCA.7bHJFeHnkmgRiqokLPEOguJ0y6616oKmg taPEmI6ZJM&dib_tag=se&keywords=dr+berry&qid=1735247672&sprefix=dr+berry,aps,161&sr=8-2&linkCode=sl1&tag=neishalovesit-20&linkId=a8efdea4f50f3d5e6a09b34d5a434c6b&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl) - 4.7/5 454 ratings




Blood Labs can be some of the most easily checked and most useful tests we can run to evaluate our health. But in today's rushed doctor visit world, we find doctors with no time or attention to really explain what tests to get, why to get them much less what the results mean.

Dr. Ken Berry found that countless people were seeking him out to make sense of their blood work, and he knew he had to do something to put the power back in their hands.

Teaming together with health coach Kim Howerton, they set out to write a common sense, easy to follow yet comprehensive look at basic blood work. Putting the power of health back in the hands of the people.



7 Signs of Low Vitamin D (How Many do You Have?) 2024




KenDBerryMD (https://www.youtube.com/@KenDBerryMD/videos)
3.46M subscribers
Evidence-Based Nutrition + Ancestral Health

So many people in the industrialized nations are deficient in Vitamin D, it is truly an epidemic. When you consider that it is not just a vitamin, but also a pro-hormone, you can begin to understand the importance of this deficiency.

Vitamin D deficiency can lead to weakened bones, yes, but it can also lead to weakened immune systems as well. The risk of cancer, and many other illnesses, increases with a dropping vitamin D level.

The best way to get Vitamin D is from the Sun and from your diet. If you live too far north for the Sun, and can't get enough in your diet, then you should supplement. Having a healthy Vitamin D level is very important to your good health and longevity.


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[Bill Ryan]

Are you taking enough magnesium Bill (leafy greens, nuts and pulses)? As I understand it, the magnesium takes a key role in activating the Vitamin D3, but if you're taking a supplement ideally shouldn't be taken together. Thanks! My magnesium level was 2.93 mg/dl. That's actually a little high, but I have zero symptoms of too much magnesium. I take a supplement (in the evening, not in the morning with my D3), and also eat lots of pumpkin seeds, spinach, avocados and dark chocolate. :)


7 Signs of Low Vitamin D (How Many do You Have?)

None at all!


The best way to get Vitamin D is from the sun and from your diet. Yes, 100% agreed. Sun is a problem, as I have pale skin and can burn really easily. On top of that, at 12,000—14,000 ft where I hike here at the equator the UV is literally off the scale. And if it's cloudy/cool, I have my sleeves rolled down anyway. So paradoxically, I don't get that much sun on my skin.

Re diet, I eat LOTS of eggs, butter, cheese, yogurt, and full-fat raw milk (at least a pint a day).


Recently we sought out a holistic center to help treat my husband's cancer diagnosis. The doc immediately had my husband increase his D3 from 5000 to 10,000. I guess she figured that his level must be low to have allowed the cancer to develop. She also tested his level at the same visit. But when the results came back in a week or so, it said his level was 106. 106???
He backed off right away back to 5000, and is taking it only 3-4 days a week. We were rather surprised that his level was so high, seeing that his immune system apparently allowed the cancer to happen.Sue, that's just bewildering. :ROFL: It feels near-impossible (for me!) to understand. Comparing his 106 level with mine — super-low, at just 20! — no rational explanation seems available. (And to compound all that, I know my own immune system is strong)

[jaybee]

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Perhaps, although a bit of Vit D can can get into the body via food and supplements ..... either natural sunlight OR light therapy (of some kind and combination) is the way to go - ?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

HOW TO INCREASE VITAMIN D LEVELS WITH RED LIGHT THERAPY (https://www.exercisinghealth.net/blog/how-to-increase-vitamin-d-levels-with-red-light-therapy)

This article is about red light therapy thickening the skin so the UV light can be better absorbed....and the skin can keep healthier which again helps the absorption.....

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5afa9c3e5cfd79b7a492dab6/1611932917575-T26IIJOJOAUXIMRZHZHD/The+Epidermis+of+the+Skin+Converts+UV+Light+to+Vitamin+D?format=500w
Figure 8 - The Epidermis of the Skin Converts UV Light to Vitamin D

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5afa9c3e5cfd79b7a492dab6/1611949877072-46DDHTDVFTNOJWET20NW/Red-light-therapy-for-skin-thickening--before-and-after.jpg?format=500w
Figure 19 - Red light therapy for skin thickening- before and after


https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5afa9c3e5cfd79b7a492dab6/1611947438389-CFMJYWWM9VK94UBIL187/Vitamin+D+Absorption+via+Food+VS+Sunlight?format=500w
Figure 9 - Vitamin D Absorption via Food VS Sunlight



SUMMARY
Okay, so let’s recap;

Vitamin D is essential for our health.

The sun provides us with the best source of vitamin D, but, unfortunately, in this day and age we don’t get enough of the UV rays that promote its production due to our modern lifestyles. We need to, thus, spend a lot more time in the midday sun to acquire healthy levels of this essential nutrient.

However, more UV sun exposure, especially when we are not used to it, would increase the risk of sun damage to our skins.

So, to combat this issue, red light therapy could be used. The photo-bio-modulatory effect of these spectrums of light would precondition and protect the skin from sunburn, and also help the skin to recover from daily exposure. Additionally, the ability of red light therapy to thicken the epidermis of the skin would make vitamin D production more efficient, with less UV exposure time needed.


at the beginning of this video @3:20 - 7:36 (after some preamble about this and that).... Mike Adams describes how he now begins his day - naked -under a strong 'light machine'.... at the same time catching up with the news... :)

Brighteon Broadcast News, Feb 19, 2025 – I’ve been LIGHT DEFICIENT for years… and you probably are too! (https://www.brighteon.com/ea8352ad-a18a-4c07-b29c-d790a29a6a8c)

[happyuk]

Latest video from Dr John Campbell dealing with this very topic.

Wow, my Vit D is low

Some can be taking relatively high levels of supplement and still have low Vitamin D levels; while for those taking relatively low levels the opposite can be true.

He takes a richly-deserved swipe at the official UK guidelines which specifically instruct not to titrate (to gradually add one substance to another, in a controlled manner, to reach a desired reaction or concentration) Vitamin D levels for individuals and not to test.

Describes the test to check the vitamin D level by measuring serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D (25[OH]D) if a person has:


Musculoskeletal symptoms

Suspected osteomalacia.

Chronic widespread pain with other features of osteomalacia (such as proximal muscle weakness).

Suspected bone disease that may be improved with vitamin D treatment, such as osteomalacia or osteoporosis.

Known bone disease, where correction of vitamin D deficiency is needed prior to specific treatment, such as:

Prior to Paget's disease treatment with a bisphosphonate.


DEGJgQjdfyo

[RunningDeer]

...at the beginning of this video @3:20 - 7:36 (after some preamble about this and that).... Mike Adams describes how he now begins his day - naked -under a strong 'light machine'.... at the same time catching up with the news... :)

Brighteon Broadcast News, Feb 19, 2025 – I’ve been LIGHT DEFICIENT for years… and you probably are too! (https://www.brighteon.com/ea8352ad-a18a-4c07-b29c-d790a29a6a8c)


Mike gives credit to Dr. Jack Kruse on red light therapy and he’ll be a guest in the near future. Below is a post on sunlight and exposure and such with Dr. Kruse from the thread: Dr. Jack Kruse: Blue-blocking glasses, and much much else (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123684-Dr.-Jack-Kruse-Blue-blocking-glasses-and-much-much-else&p=1638138&viewfull=1#post1638138), and one other post on the red light therapy device that I use.



#58: Dr Jack Kruse - High Latitude Living, Cold Exposure, Sunlight & Longevity
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Time Stamps

00:00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VFTXZrbyNA&t=0s) Dr Jack Kruse

01:30 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VFTXZrbyNA&t=90s) Can You Have A Healthy Tan?

10:34 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VFTXZrbyNA&t=634s) UV-A & Heart Disease

16:51 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VFTXZrbyNA&t=1011s) Do You Need To Move To A Lower Latitude?

24:12 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VFTXZrbyNA&t=1452s) Absolute Vs Relative Time (Correlation & Causation)

34:24 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VFTXZrbyNA&t=2064s) How To Live Well At High Latitude (Magnetic Flux)

49:14 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VFTXZrbyNA&t=2954s) How Cold Affects Circadian Rhythms

55:09 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VFTXZrbyNA&t=3309s) Solar Eclipse During The Pod!

56:30 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VFTXZrbyNA&t=3390s) How To Set Up Your Routine In Winter (High Latitude)

01:02:15 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VFTXZrbyNA&t=3735s) It's Harder To Be Optimal At High Latitudes (Be A Black Swan Mitochondriac)

01:08:11 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VFTXZrbyNA&t=4091s) Best Artificial Lights To Use

01:19:32 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VFTXZrbyNA&t=4772s) Muscle For Longevity

01:25:55 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VFTXZrbyNA&t=5155s) Has Jack Tried To Educate Other Doctors? (Attia, Baker, Saladino)

01:39:58 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VFTXZrbyNA&t=5998s) Cold Receptors On The Face (Mammalian Dive Reflex)

01:41:58 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VFTXZrbyNA&t=6118s) How Mammals Made Food When Photosynthesis Was Blocked


https://i.imgur.com/EkQUDnr.gif


Repost from thread: Revolutionary Low Cost Therapies Using Infrared Light & Ultrasound! (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123657-Revolutionary-Low-Cost-Therapies-Using-Infrared-Light-Ultrasound-&p=1637153&viewfull=1#post1637153)



It's been over a year that I added red and near infrared therapy. It’s a preventive tool that I use for 12 minutes, twice a day.


PRO300 - Red Light Therapy (https://hoogahealth.com/products/hgpro300)
50,000+ hr | 3 year warranty
https://i.imgur.com/YOvIuja.png


Benefits (listed on the site)
Skin Health and Anti-Aging

Red light therapy (RLT) is well-documented for improving skin health by stimulating collagen production, reducing wrinkles, and enhancing skin elasticity. It promotes cell regeneration and repair, which leads to a more youthful appearance.
Wound Healing and Tissue Repair

RLT accelerates the healing process of wounds and injuries by promoting increased blood flow and cellular activity at the site of injury. It enhances the formation of new blood vessels and tissues, facilitating faster recovery.
Pain and Inflammation Reduction

RLT has been shown to reduce inflammation and alleviate pain, particularly in conditions like arthritis, tendonitis, and muscle injuries. It works by reducing oxidative stress and promoting cellular repair.
Hair Growth and Hair Loss Prevention

RLT can stimulate hair follicles and promote hair growth, making it a popular treatment for androgenetic alopecia (male and female pattern baldness). It increases blood flow to the scalp and enhances cellular metabolism in hair follicles.
Muscle Recovery and Performance

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Joint Health and Arthritis Relief

RLT can reduce symptoms of arthritis, including joint pain and stiffness. It promotes cartilage repair and reduces inflammation in the joints, improving mobility and comfort.
Mood and Depression Improvement

RLT may have positive effects on mood disorders and depression by influencing the production of neurotransmitters like serotonin. It can also help with Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD).
Sleep Improvement

RLT can help regulate the sleep-wake cycle by influencing melatonin production. It has been shown to improve sleep quality and duration, helping individuals achieve better rest.
Cognitive Function and Neuroprotection

There is emerging evidence that RLT may support cognitive function and provide neuroprotective effects, potentially benefiting conditions like Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s disease.
Acne Reduction

RLT can help reduce acne by decreasing inflammation and bacteria levels on the skin. It promotes skin healing and reduces the appearance of acne scars.
Dental Health

RLT can promote oral health by reducing inflammation, pain, and healing times in dental procedures. It may also support the treatment of periodontal disease.
Weight Loss and Metabolism

There is some evidence that RLT can aid in weight loss by increasing cellular metabolism and reducing adipose tissue. It may enhance fat cell reduction and improve body composition.
Hormonal Balance

RLT might influence hormonal balance by affecting the endocrine system. It could help with issues like thyroid function and hormone regulation.
Immune System Support

RLT may boost the immune system by enhancing cellular function and promoting the activity of immune cells. It could help in faster recovery from illnesses and infections.
Eye Health

RLT may benefit eye health by reducing inflammation and promoting cellular repair in the retina. It has potential in treating conditions like age-related macular degeneration.

[happyuk]

An update from Dr John Campbell who interviews Professor David Anderson, retired endocrinologist and author of Vitamin D and the Great Biology Reset (https://dgreatbiologyreset.com).

Emphasis on the importance of vitamin D3 for those in northern locations where sunlight exposure is limited in winter. Some remarkable anecdotes from the comments section from which one may reasonably surmise that low vitamin D levels correlate with many health problems, including respiratory issues, neurological symptoms, and immune weakness, not to mention a general frustration with conventional doctors.

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[Did You See Them]

Do the full spectrum led grow lights that you see for sale on ebay and the likes work the same ?
They seem quite cheap ?

[Bill Ryan]

watched this and thought of this thread -

Wow, my Vit D is low (14:00)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=DEGJgQjdfyo



And so is mine — still. It's baffling to me. I feel 100% fine, I'm not sick, I'm not anxious about this in any way and it's really just a very minor mystery, but I can't raise my Vit D levels whatever I do.

I don't want to bore anyone with this! :P But here's the history. These tests were done at 2 week intervals.

After taking 5000 IU every 2 days for ever: 22.66.
So I changed to 10000 IU per day (a different brand, now 4x as much): 17.34.
Then I doubled my K2, to 1400 mcg/day: 19.97.
Then I changed to 8000 IU per day (a different brand from a new bottle: 20.53.

After (3), my hypothesis was that both my 5000 and 10000 bottles had date-expired (I'd had them for. long time), and so I figured the the potency had dropped to almost nothing.

Then I bought a new bottle off the shelf. But the results in (4) showed almost no difference. (I tested my magnesium as well, and that's at a high normal.)

NOW, I'm taking 10000 IU from the old bottle + 8000 IU from the new bottle (= 18000 IU/day), and I'll check it again one more time in another couple of weeks. (Fortunately, testing is super-cheap here!)

If it's still low, my last remaining hypothesis, the only one I have left, is that the testing is flawed and I need to go to a different lab.

~~~

Does anyone have a clue what might be happening here?

Once again: this isn't a serious problem at all. It's merely puzzling. I'm hoping this isn't cluttering up the thread, and might somehow be useful or interesting to someone reading this.Another bewildering update. :ROFL:

As I wrote above, after my last test (17 Feb), I upped my D3 intake to 18,000 (eighteen thousand) IU/day. A couple of weeks ago I thought: Wow, I really don't want to overdose on this, so I reduced it a little to 14,000.

I did another test this morning (thankfully a VERY cheap thing in Ecuador). My level was 21.24.

I think I'm going to forget about the entire issue and just stop worrying!! :P

[Casey Claar]

Bill, sometimes that is the very best thing to do. :heart:

[RunningDeer]

Do the full spectrum led grow lights that you see for sale on ebay and the likes work the same ?
They seem quite cheap ?




I use BioLight™ - Full Spectrum Light bulbs (https://www.blockbluelight.com/products/full-spectrum-light-bulb?variant=42920853176512) for my lamps.





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For my main work area I use the BioLight™ Full Spectrum Lamp (https://www.blockbluelight.com/products/full-spectrum-lamp?variant=44630428188864).



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[leavesoftrees]

watched this and thought of this thread -

Wow, my Vit D is low (14:00)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=DEGJgQjdfyo



And so is mine — still. It's baffling to me. I feel 100% fine, I'm not sick, I'm not anxious about this in any way and it's really just a very minor mystery, but I can't raise my Vit D levels whatever I do.

I don't want to bore anyone with this! :P But here's the history. These tests were done at 2 week intervals.

After taking 5000 IU every 2 days for ever: 22.66.
So I changed to 10000 IU per day (a different brand, now 4x as much): 17.34.
Then I doubled my K2, to 1400 mcg/day: 19.97.
Then I changed to 8000 IU per day (a different brand from a new bottle: 20.53.

After (3), my hypothesis was that both my 5000 and 10000 bottles had date-expired (I'd had them for. long time), and so I figured the the potency had dropped to almost nothing.

Then I bought a new bottle off the shelf. But the results in (4) showed almost no difference. (I tested my magnesium as well, and that's at a high normal.)

NOW, I'm taking 10000 IU from the old bottle + 8000 IU from the new bottle (= 18000 IU/day), and I'll check it again one more time in another couple of weeks. (Fortunately, testing is super-cheap here!)

If it's still low, my last remaining hypothesis, the only one I have left, is that the testing is flawed and I need to go to a different lab.

~~~

Does anyone have a clue what might be happening here?

Once again: this isn't a serious problem at all. It's merely puzzling. I'm hoping this isn't cluttering up the thread, and might somehow be useful or interesting to someone reading this.Another bewildering update. :ROFL:

As I wrote above, after my last test (17 Feb), I upped my D3 intake to 18,000 (eighteen thousand) IU/day. A couple of weeks ago I thought: Wow, I really don't want to overdose on this, so I reduced it a little to 14,000.

I did another test this morning (thankfully a VERY cheap thing in Ecuador). My level was 21.24.

I think I'm going to forget about the entire issue and just stop worrying!! :P

Maybe with vitamin D supplementation your body is just simply excreting it and also some of what it produces via sunlight. You could try stopping all vitamin D supplementation for a month or two and then test to see what your body is now doing.

Perhaps living at high altitude affects Vit D levels?

[East Sun]

People in Northern regions don't seem to need a lot of Vit. D. We may not need as much as was estimated.

[Johnnycomelately]

watched this and thought of this thread -

Wow, my Vit D is low (14:00)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=DEGJgQjdfyo



And so is mine — still. It's baffling to me. I feel 100% fine, I'm not sick, I'm not anxious about this in any way and it's really just a very minor mystery, but I can't raise my Vit D levels whatever I do.

I don't want to bore anyone with this! :P But here's the history. These tests were done at 2 week intervals.

After taking 5000 IU every 2 days for ever: 22.66.
So I changed to 10000 IU per day (a different brand, now 4x as much): 17.34.
Then I doubled my K2, to 1400 mcg/day: 19.97.
Then I changed to 8000 IU per day (a different brand from a new bottle: 20.53.

After (3), my hypothesis was that both my 5000 and 10000 bottles had date-expired (I'd had them for. long time), and so I figured the the potency had dropped to almost nothing.

Then I bought a new bottle off the shelf. But the results in (4) showed almost no difference. (I tested my magnesium as well, and that's at a high normal.)

NOW, I'm taking 10000 IU from the old bottle + 8000 IU from the new bottle (= 18000 IU/day), and I'll check it again one more time in another couple of weeks. (Fortunately, testing is super-cheap here!)

If it's still low, my last remaining hypothesis, the only one I have left, is that the testing is flawed and I need to go to a different lab.

~~~

Does anyone have a clue what might be happening here?

Once again: this isn't a serious problem at all. It's merely puzzling. I'm hoping this isn't cluttering up the thread, and might somehow be useful or interesting to someone reading this.Another bewildering update. :ROFL:

As I wrote above, after my last test (17 Feb), I upped my D3 intake to 18,000 (eighteen thousand) IU/day. A couple of weeks ago I thought: Wow, I really don't want to overdose on this, so I reduced it a little to 14,000.

I did another test this morning (thankfully a VERY cheap thing in Ecuador). My level was 21.24.

I think I'm going to forget about the entire issue and just stop worrying!! :P

Maybe with vitamin D supplementation your body is just simply excreting it and also some of what it produces via sunlight. You could try stopping all vitamin D supplementation for a month or two and then test to see what your body is now doing.

Perhaps living at high altitude affects Vit D levels?

Hi leavesoftrees. Good questions. Since high altitude might imply lots of sun exposure, lack of tree shade and extra snow-reflected light, am wondering about a short-onset genetic adaptation. Epigenics (Epigenetics?).

Hi Bill, I am keen on info about K2. Started a few weeks ago because of apparent need alongside D3. That was from either an Avalon post or from one of Dr. John Campbell’s excellent posts, he has covered Vit D3 extensively. The sales lady didn’t know the upper advisable dose/amount, and conveyed doubt in official .gov recommendations, but said that 1x 100 mcg capsule should be safe. I started with 1x and am now alternating 2X per day.

Any info on this would be most welcome. Any personal experience about K2, references or links or anything.


Then I doubled my K2, to 1400 mcg/day

[Bill Ryan]

Another bewildering update. :ROFL:

As I wrote above, after my last test (17 Feb), I upped my D3 intake to 18,000 (eighteen thousand) IU/day. A couple of weeks ago I thought: Wow, I really don't want to overdose on this, so I reduced it a little to 14,000.

I did another test this morning (thankfully a VERY cheap thing in Ecuador). My level was 21.24.

I think I'm going to forget about the entire issue and just stop worrying!! :PWell, I did stop worrying! But just this morning I checked it once again — this time going to a different lab, one that I'd consulted quite a few years ago. I'd only changed to another one because the first was physically a lot more of a hassle to drive to in the busy center of town.

Lo and behold, my results came back as "over 120". (That's off-the-scale high. :muscle::facepalm:)

Believing it was low, I'd been supplementing myself with 18000 IU/day, mistakenly thinking that even this very high daily dose somehow wasn't working.

So the mystery is finally solved. The lab I was going to before was simply producing false low results.*
* And exactly the same for my B12, which had also come back mysteriously low at the previous lab I was using. I've posted about that (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115544-Vitamin-B12-deficiency-what-is-going-on&p=1671789&viewfull=1#post1671789)separately on the B12 thread, because I do feel it's quite important to share the info. But today's new B12 test was also crazy-high, and even further off the scale than the Vitamin D. ~~~

The smoking gun! :)

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/Bill_Ryan_blood_test_9_June_2025.jpg

[grapevine]

So how do you actually FEEL, Bill, now that you're vitamin wedged? :ROFL: ie the same or on top of the world?

[RunningDeer]

The smoking gun! :)

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/Bill_Ryan_blood_test_9_June_2025.jpg




A little more from Dr. Ken Berry:

“…You’re probably going to have to take somewhere between 2,000 and 10,000 international units a day to get 1200 units to be absorbed. And that's why it's also another bad idea to take 10,000 or 50,000 units of vitamin D2 is because when you take that much, you can only absorb so much at one time. And so if you're taking 50,000 international units of vitamin D2 a month you're gonna you can only absorb 1200 units a day. And so the rest of that vitamin D you excrete away and then for the rest of the month, you don't have any vitamin D. So that's a very unnatural, not helpful way to take it. …”


“I've been supplementing people with anywhere from 2,000 to 10,000 units of vitamin D for the last decade. And I've seen maybe three people who's vitamin D 25 level got over 100. And we merely backed up their vitamin D dose a little bit. It came right back down to normal. They had no idea that that their level was over 100 because they felt great. So don't worry about vitamin D overdose. It's not a thing.”




"If you don't take the correct kind of vitamin D and have the proper lab work checked to monitor it, you can suffer from the symptoms of deficiency." ~ Dr. Ken Berry




Dr. Ken Berry: I was listening to a podcast and this guy was talking about magnesium deficiency and vitamin D deficiency and how it was epidemic in America, and no one was checking it and no one knew anything about it. So I thought I don't think that's true but the next time I draw lab work on some patients I'll check a few vitamin Ds and some magnesiums and we'll just see.

I was already checking magnesium and I haven't seen that at all. So I started checking vitamin D and at first I was checking a vitamin D125 which is the wrong test to check and the more I read, I finally figured out that I need to be checking a vitamin D25 level in my patient.

It was years ago and so when I finally got that right, I started to see that far more than 50% of my patients were deficient in vitamin D. And it kind of blew me away. Some people were a little deficient, but some people had almost a zero level of vitamin D in their blood which really worried me. So I really started to study about vitamin D. I joined the National Osteoporosis Foundation. I became very interested in bone health and vitamin D and the more I read the more I've discovered that vitamin D is very important for bone health, but it's also very important for hundreds of other things to optimize your health.


VITAMIN D DEFICIENCY & Treatment (Which and How Much?) (11 min)





Dr. Ken Berry (https://www.youtube.com/@KenDBerryMD/videos)
3.45M subscribers

Have you had your vitamin D levels checked? If you don't take the correct kind of vitamin D and have the proper labwork checked to monitor it, you can suffer from the symptoms of deficiency.

In this video I'll share with you which kind and how much to take to avoid Vitamin D Deficiency.

The risk of everything from osteomalacia to infection to cancer can be reduced by optimizing your Vitamin D level. Have a question about Vitamin D? Leave it in the comment section and I'll answer all that I can.


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[Bill Ryan]

So how do you actually FEEL, Bill, now that you're vitamin wedged? :ROFL: ie the same or on top of the world?Quoting Paula's post just above, which quoted Dr Ken Berry:




“I've been supplementing people with anywhere from 2,000 to 10,000 units of vitamin D for the last decade. And I've seen maybe three people who's vitamin D 25 level got over 100. And we merely backed up their vitamin D dose a little bit. It came right back down to normal. They had no idea that that their level was over 100 because they felt great. So don't worry about vitamin D overdose. It's not a thing.”

I feel great! :P The puzzle I was trying to solve was how come my Vitamin D (and B12) levels seemed to be so low — even though I felt fine all the time.

Today's Vitamin D result was stated as "over 120"... I'd love to know how high it really was! (According to a quick search on the net, 150 is considered to be 'toxic'.)

(I just wrote a very polite and friendly email — in my best auto-translated Spanish — to the head of the previous lab I'd been using, to alert her to the possibility of flaws in her lab tests. Even though I'm quite unaffected, it might be a serious thing for someone else who really did had a health problem. :flower:)

[Olaf]

Dr. von Helden, who promoted higher vitamin D levels in Germany, has raised his own level to 130 ng/ml. The official overdose level is >150 ng/ml, but interestingly, the symptoms of a vitamin D overdose resemble those of a vitamin A deficiency. It is important to note that vitamin D only functions properly when vitamin A levels are sufficient (as well as vitamin K2 levels, in order to transport calcium into the bones).
In Germany, people typically have levels of around 20 ng/ml, but those who don't go outside, such as older people and children who play on their mobile phones indoors all day, can have levels below 8 ng/ml, which is dangerous.
I instruct all my clients to raise their levels to 75 ng/ml, which is in the middle of the normal range. Healthy people in Africa have levels in the range of 60–90 ng/ml.

It is important to note that storing and converting vitamin D requires magnesium. Storing and converting vitamin A requires zinc. I see many people with enormous deficiencies in magnesium and zinc.
In mass spectroscopic hair mineral analysis, I often see magnesium levels of less than 50% down to 15% only. Some of my clients have zinc levels only half of the minimum required level. These people also have problems digesting proteins, resulting in amino acid deficiencies. One of these people is my mother, who is 86 years old and has lost much of her muscle power in the last two years. We are now supplementing, but it can take years to raise magnesium and zinc levels to the required amount.

[John Hilton]

The Miraculous Cure For and Prevention of all diseases - Jeff T Bowles (Vitamin D3)

Listen to the author (interview):
https://robertyoho.substack.com/p/072c884b-918f-4525-8a14-8d646bc0785e

Synopsis by GROK AI of Health Recommendations from the Interview with Jeff T. Bowles

The interview with Jeff T. Bowles, author of "The Miraculous Cure For and Prevention of All Diseases, What Doctors Never Learned", focuses on the health benefits of high-dose vitamin D3 supplementation, supported by his personal experiments and anecdotal reports from others. Below is a summary of the key health recommendations:High-Dose Vitamin D3 Supplementation:Bowles advocates for significantly higher doses of vitamin D3 than the standard medical recommendation of 400 IU per day. He personally took 20,000–50,000 IU daily, which he claims resolved chronic conditions like hip clicks, bone spurs, seasonal allergies, and improved eyesight.

He suggests that doses as high as 60,000 IU daily have helped others with conditions like blindness, multiple sclerosis, asthma, Crohn’s disease, psoriasis, acne, and other autoimmune diseases.
For acute illnesses (e.g., feeling a cold or COVID-19 coming on), he recommends a single megadose (e.g., 200,000 IU) to quickly boost the immune system.

Vitamin D3 as a Hormone, Not a Vitamin:Bowles emphasizes that vitamin D3 is a steroid hormone, not a vitamin, controlling over 2,700 genes, particularly those related to immune function and tissue remodeling.

It enhances the immune system to fight cancer, viruses, and infections while suppressing autoimmune attacks on healthy tissues, acting as an "ultimate biologic" without the side effects of pharmaceutical biologics.

Addressing Potential Side Effects:
Magnesium Deficiency: High-dose vitamin D3 can deplete magnesium, leading to symptoms like insomnia, heart palpitations, anxiety, panic attacks, dizziness, falls, or even confusion. Bowles recommends taking extended-release magnesium throughout the day to prevent or correct these symptoms, noting that it may take up to a year to reverse magnesium deficiency.

Vitamin K2 Deficiency:
High doses of vitamin D3 can increase blood calcium levels, potentially causing hypercalcemia or kidney stones if vitamin K2 is deficient. K2 helps move calcium from blood to bones, preventing soft tissue calcification. He advises taking sufficient K2 to avoid these rare issues.
Bowles asserts that vitamin D3 itself is non-toxic, and what doctors call "toxicity" is actually due to deficiencies in magnesium or vitamin K2.

Optimal Blood Levels for Therapeutic Effects:
Bowles cites a German eye doctor who found that vitamin D3 blood levels of 125–150 ng/mL (higher than the standard 30–100 ng/mL range) are necessary for curing autoimmune and tissue-related conditions, such as glaucoma or fistulas. He notes lifeguards naturally reach these levels from sun exposure without toxicity.

Historical Context and Medical Misinformation:
Bowles claims that since the 1920s, modern medicine and pharmaceutical companies have suppressed the use of high-dose vitamin D3 to protect hospital and drug profits. He argues that widespread vitamin D fortification in foods led to healthier populations, causing hospitals to empty, which prompted a campaign to demonize high doses and limit recommendations to 400 IU daily.
He suggests that the rise in diseases like cancer, autoimmune disorders, obesity, and autism since the 1980s correlates with increased sunscreen use, sun avoidance, and low vitamin D3 intake, driven by medical advice.

Sun Exposure and Natural Vitamin D3 Production:
Bowles highlights that 30 minutes of summer sun exposure for light-skinned individuals can produce 20,000 IU of vitamin D3 naturally, far exceeding the 400 IU daily recommendation. He views advice to avoid sun exposure and use sunscreen as detrimental to health.

Practical Advice for Implementation:
Individuals should experiment with high doses of vitamin D3 (e.g., 20,000–60,000 IU daily) for chronic conditions, monitoring for side effects.
Supplement with magnesium (preferably extended-release) and vitamin K2 to prevent deficiencies that could cause adverse effects.
Use resources like Bowles’ website (jefftbowles.com) to search for case studies on specific conditions and high-dose D3 outcomes.
Be cautious of medical advice that limits vitamin D3 intake or discourages sun exposure, as it may not align with optimal health outcomes.

Note: Bowles’ recommendations are based on personal experiments and self-reported case studies, not clinical trials. He acknowledges rare side effects (e.g., kidney stones, hypercalcemia) but attributes them to cofactor deficiencies rather than vitamin D3 itself. Individuals considering high-dose vitamin D3 should consult healthcare professionals and monitor blood levels to avoid potential risks.
Disclaimer: Grok is not a doctor; please consult one.

[ThePythonicCow]

The Miraculous Cure For and Prevention of all diseases - Jeff T Bowles (Vitamin D3)

...

Addressing Potential Side Effects:
Magnesium Deficiency: High-dose vitamin D3 can deplete magnesium, leading to symptoms like insomnia, heart palpitations, anxiety, panic attacks, dizziness, falls, or even confusion. Bowles recommends taking extended-release magnesium throughout the day to prevent or correct these symptoms, noting that it may take up to a year to reverse magnesium deficiency.

Vitamin K2 Deficiency:
High doses of vitamin D3 can increase blood calcium levels, potentially causing hypercalcemia or kidney stones if vitamin K2 is deficient. K2 helps move calcium from blood to bones, preventing soft tissue calcification. He advises taking sufficient K2 to avoid these rare issues.


===

Yup - Magnesium and K2 are important, in particular when pushing D3 intake.

As "Unbekoming" points out in his Lies are Unbekoming (https://unbekoming.substack.com/) Substack article The Vitamin D Paradox: What They Don't Tell You About Cholecalciferol (https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/the-vitamin-d-paradox-what-they-dont):

D3 supplements are also the active ingredient in rat poison.

As noted in a comment to Unbekoming's Substack article by the very same Jeff T. Bowles as wrote the article that John Hilton (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?50432-John-Hilton) posted above:

The reason D3 can be used as a rat poison is because it depletes the rats' vitamin K2 levels, which then triggers hypercalcemia

Or as I (perhaps oversimplifying it) put it:

D3 gets the calcium from your gut into your blood, and K2 gets the calcium from your blood into your bones. You want calcified bones, not calcified arteries.

Unbekoming's Substack article might be a better read if you're looking to have your dark conspiracy theories about industrialized food and medicine being tuned more for the health of Big Ag/Pharma/Med Wallets than for the health of humans, than if your looking to motivate someone, whether yourself or someone else, to consume more D3 supplements. It's a complex and mixed bag, with several dark twists and turns that surprised even me, who has read widely both conspiracy and health articles.

Regarding D3 and magnesium, Unbekoming's Substack article says:

Excess vitamin D doesn't just flood your body with calcium -- it actively depletes magnesium in the process. The hormone form of D signals your intestines to preferentially absorb calcium over magnesium. Your kidneys need magnesium to dump the excess calcium, but the very substance causing the calcium overload is simultaneously blocking your ability to get the magnesium needed to fix it.

Meanwhile, I will continue my D3, K2, and magnesium supplements. It's a good thing I'm a conspiracy theory and alternative health nutcase, and not a spelunker, or else my bones might be found centuries from now many twists and turns down some seldom traveled passage of a deep cave, rather than beneath a tombstone with the "Hello, world!" program, coded in C, inscribed on it.