What Alien race are you?

[Neptun]

I really love humanity and all races on this beautiful planet.

It could be interesting to get to know each other and openly talk about the ET race we are, instead of nations.

I don't know what I am, but I seem to talk well and attract reptilians and I can understand their mindset. Maybe it is because I'm empathic and when I understand a mindset, I can install it in my brain or maybe I'm reptilian?

I'm R Negative.

I have also been a Narcissist and cured my self. I was manipulative as my foundation of my personality. Now I feel honesty and being real "works" better and it is waste of time to manipulate and a sign of insecurity.

When I had a huge ego, it was based in not feeling any self-worth what so ever.. When I feel my heart and my self, I feel my self esteem and know I'm worth allot and that makes me humble.

Ego is not the problem. It is only a symptom of lack of connection to the heart/self worth. The cure is to be open, honest and authentic with my feelings.

In many ways I feel I have a very strong and passionate energy and I can't understand why that is not a normal feeling, when I compare myself with most people. They seem extremely weak and not focused, what I think is strange.

I strongly believe everything is possible if someone puts his energy and focus on it and keep going no matter what,

[songsfortheotherkind]

For my Self as a sui generis and ancient Being, the question of 'what race are you?' is meaningless to me personally, *and* I have no doubt it will not be meaningless to many others.

When does a Being cease 'belonging' to a certain race or species? What is the definition of 'belong'? As a creator Being, I get to make and unmake my Self in every moment, including identity and physical Being. Where then do the notions of 'race' or species fit in?

I'm far more interested in the Art of any individual in that moment- who are you creating your Self as now? It's fascinating and co-creative, in my world...

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

what in this life or a past one? ;)

Had regression done last year and saw a life where i was just pure energy of love that had to preform duties of just 'being there' to help others that could not see me at all, a reptillian (a really nice one) that lived in harmony with nature amongst my fellow clan, and a statue where the birds kept making fun of the fact I couldn't fly like them...

So ETs - pffft - we can live many different ET experiences and environments.

This is just a personal account of course :)

[Neptun]

what in this life or a past one? ;)

Had regression done last year and saw a life where i was just pure energy of love that had to preform duties of just 'being there' to help others that could not see me at all, a reptillian (a really nice one) that lived in harmony with nature amongst my fellow clan, and a statue where the birds kept making fun of the fact I couldn't fly like them...

So ETs - pffft - we can live many different ET experiences and environments.

This is just a personal account of course :)

Was it because you had wings but could not fly with them?

Funny i often see reptilians brag about they have wings. What is it with you guys and your wings? Is it a status thing? I'm just curious.

[ghostrider]

aucturian is my race, learned about it last year, loving water and nature and mountains. something about being a cherokee indian, you tend to look at the whole, earth and stars together, the little things that affect us all....

[Sidney]

I wish I knew.:ufo:

[BlueGem]

As it was stated above, it's not really important where we're from or what we were. I can't fully understand it myself, but the feeling I get is that these questions will be trivial at best as we move along.

Starchild: You are infinite, isn't that enough?!

[songsfortheotherkind]

I wish I knew.:ufo:


So tell me, if you *were* going to make your Self, who would that be? Tell me who you would be if you knew, show me who and what that starchild111 - it's that kind of 'Verse, we can do that you see...

[Carmody]

Sirian. (confirmed in multiple ways)

[DarMar]

You prolly wouldnt believe me but im a human! :mullet:

[WhiteFeather]

I as well as all/most human-hybrid aliens incarnated on this planet supposedly have 12 to 22 different races of Extra Terrestrial DNA in the biological system, so its hard to pinpoint which one is dominant. If you must ask which one is of the dominant one for me, I would choose Arcturian. Hope I didnt confuse anyone.

[BlueGem]

The reading from Eternal One said I was Sirian. Perhaps I was at one point, but I am here now. I know very little about my past lives, but I am currently trying to identify the problems and issues that need to be resolved. Problems and issues that were possibly carried on or resurfaced into this lifetime.

Sure, knowing about your other pasts can aid in identifying these issues, but I believe focusing too much on that perspective can create new issues in the current lifetime. I have started to tinker with my own method for dealing with old unresolved issues. It involves remembering the worst times in your life, and experiencing them from every angle, and every perspective. They become quite trivial when your viewpoint changes! I find this method to be helpful in opening up other areas of myself, in effect, creating room for other issues to surface.

[Snowbird]

The answer to your question is difficult to pinpoint. We are multidimensional and we are therefore here, there and in multiple places in multiple universes all at once. From what I have been told, there are currently 383 planets from five local universes ascending at this time. Earth is definitely one of those. I have also been told that because of this multi-planet ascension, many people are helping Earth to ascend and they are also helping many of those 383 planets to ascend.....all at once. I was also told that I was recently either from, had been visiting or had been passing through the Scorpius constellation where Antares is located. There is evidently a favored planet in that area.

[minkton]

I wish I knew.

[9eagle9]

Plain old boring human being.

if I choose to be an alien will my ratings go up?

Anyone remember when the entertainer formerly known as Prince discarded his name and decided he was a symbol?

[truth4me]

I'm Pleadian but in this incarnation I'm Earthling..........

[sdv]

I have this fascination with Mars. It feels like home to me. From what alien race would that make me?

[Carmody]

Plain old boring human being.

if I choose to be an alien will my ratings go up?

Anyone remember when the entertainer formerly known as Prince discarded his name and decided he was a symbol?

When I read the whole story behind that decision of his, My respect for Prince went up immensely.

Iffin's youse posts that youse an alien, I will thank that post. :p

Reminding you that Prince is still Badass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_2tSGxGnJQ&feature=player_embedded#!)

[another bob]

I used to assume that I was from “somewhere” before awakening to the realization that I didn’t know where “anywhere” was. This recognition was like the proverbial pebble in the pond, whose ripples continue to reveal that this “not knowing” actually applies to everything.

Imagine, for example, the feeling of being when trying to grasp something. Then imagine the feeling of being when relieved of all such effort. It’s the same with memory. Let it go.

Garbed in an endless array of neural costumery, memory is an organizing principle for consciousness to reflect a sense of enduring individuation in its path towards self-awareness -- racing with the moon on Saturday Night, praising the Lord Sunday Morning.

All conceptual categories are memory-based data retrieval programs fabricated by consciousness to support and maintain a streaming interpretive scheme of personal continuity in the face of incomprehensible chaos (the unknown source of itself), and so navigate the dependently originating objective world as if it were concrete, permanent, substantial, and real.

Memory requires a frame of reference. However, without resort to memory, what reference is there to frame? This is all an engaging bother, ordinary enough in its compounded confusion, but one has to find out for oneself that there is another option.

It’s just what I said: Let it go. See what remains.


:yo:

[pugwash84]

I am a human!!!! Unusual as that is these days :)

[pugwash84]

Humans are not plain or boring, humans are wonderful and each one different and beautiful in a very unique way. I have never met one boring human being and I have never met 2 humans the same, Humans are great!!

[jorr lundstrom]

Im reminded that I once thought I was cutting fire woods.
Then I realized I wasnt. The firewood was cutting itself. LOL


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[Carmody]

I used to assume that I was from “somewhere” before awakening to the realization that I didn’t know where “anywhere” was. This recognition was like the proverbial pebble in the pond, whose ripples continue to reveal that this “not knowing” actually applies to everything.

Imagine, for example, the feeling of being when trying to grasp something. Then imagine the feeling of being when relieved of all such effort. It’s the same with memory. Let it go.

Garbed in an endless array of neural costumery, memory is an organizing principle for consciousness to reflect a sense of enduring individuation in its path towards self-awareness -- racing with the moon on Saturday Night, praising the Lord Sunday Morning.

All conceptual categories are memory-based data retrieval programs fabricated by consciousness to support and maintain a streaming interpretive scheme of personal continuity in the face of incomprehensible chaos (the unknown source of itself), and so navigate the dependently originating objective world as if it were concrete, permanent, substantial, and real.

Memory requires a frame of reference. However, without resort to memory, what reference is there to frame? This is all an engaging bother, ordinary enough in its compounded confusion, but one has to find out for oneself that there is another option.

It’s just what I said: Let it go. See what remains.


:yo:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=459551&viewfull=1#post459551

[another bob]

Im reminded that I once thought I was cutting fire woods.
Then I realized I wasnt. The firewood was cutting itself.

To study the Buddha Way is to study the self.
To study the self is to forget the self.
To forget the self is to be
enlightened by the ten thousand things.
To be enlightened by the ten thousand things is
to free one's body and mind and those of others.
No trace of enlightenment remains, and this
traceless enlightenment is continued forever.

~Dogen, 1200 - 1253



"To leave a trace is not the same as to remember something. It is necessary to remember what we have done, but we should not get attached to what we have done in some special sense. What we call attachment is just these traces of our thought and activity.

In order to leave no traces, when you do something, you should just do it with your whole body and mind: you should be concentrated on what you do, You should do it completely, like a good bonfire. You should not be a smoky fire. You should burn yourself completely, like a good bonfire. If you do not burn yourself completely, a trace of yourself will be left in what you do. You will have something remaining which is not completely burned out.

Zen activity is activity which is completely burned out, with nothing remaining but ashes. This is the goal of our practice. That is what Dogen meant when he said, "Ashes do not come back to firewood." Ash is ash. Ash should be completely ash. The firewood should be firewood. When this kind of activity takes place, one activity covers everything."

~ Suzuki Roshi

[jorr lundstrom]

Total in action is out of action. LOL


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[another bob]

I used to assume that I was from “somewhere” before awakening to the realization that I didn’t know where “anywhere” was. This recognition was like the proverbial pebble in the pond, whose ripples continue to reveal that this “not knowing” actually applies to everything.

Imagine, for example, the feeling of being when trying to grasp something. Then imagine the feeling of being when relieved of all such effort. It’s the same with memory. Let it go.

Garbed in an endless array of neural costumery, memory is an organizing principle for consciousness to reflect a sense of enduring individuation in its path towards self-awareness -- racing with the moon on Saturday Night, praising the Lord Sunday Morning.

All conceptual categories are memory-based data retrieval programs fabricated by consciousness to support and maintain a streaming interpretive scheme of personal continuity in the face of incomprehensible chaos (the unknown source of itself), and so navigate the dependently originating objective world as if it were concrete, permanent, substantial, and real.

Memory requires a frame of reference. However, without resort to memory, what reference is there to frame? This is all an engaging bother, ordinary enough in its compounded confusion, but one has to find out for oneself that there is another option.

It’s just what I said: Let it go. See what remains.


:yo:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=459551&viewfull=1#post459551


Yes, that's it!

Saying it slightly differently, Sri Nisargadatta:

What is the Ultimate Reality? What are you? You can not understand with your intellect. It is beyond the grasp of the intellect. How do you understand anything? Any knowledge of any kind that you think you have can only be in the consciousness. How can the consciousness which
came later give you any knowledge about that state which exists prior to consciousness’ arrival? Any thought that you have reached, or are going to reach that state which exists prior, is false.

:yo:

[Eram]

I used to assume that I was from “somewhere” before awakening to the realization that I didn’t know where “anywhere” was. This recognition was like the proverbial pebble in the pond, whose ripples continue to reveal that this “not knowing” actually applies to everything.

Imagine, for example, the feeling of being when trying to grasp something. Then imagine the feeling of being when relieved of all such effort. It’s the same with memory. Let it go.

Garbed in an endless array of neural costumery, memory is an organizing principle for consciousness to reflect a sense of enduring individuation in its path towards self-awareness -- racing with the moon on Saturday Night, praising the Lord Sunday Morning.

All conceptual categories are memory-based data retrieval programs fabricated by consciousness to support and maintain a streaming interpretive scheme of personal continuity in the face of incomprehensible chaos (the unknown source of itself), and so navigate the dependently originating objective world as if it were concrete, permanent, substantial, and real.

Memory requires a frame of reference. However, without resort to memory, what reference is there to frame? This is all an engaging bother, ordinary enough in its compounded confusion, but one has to find out for oneself that there is another option.

It’s just what I said: Let it go. See what remains.


:yo:

Hey another bob,

In the short period I've participated here on Avalon I came to love all the eloquent posts you made here, but this one is too deep for me man.
I have no idea what you are talking about. Not even a clue ! :yield:

As to what race I identify with: I'm not sure.
I've seen a UFO once, when I was a little kid.
I've no recollection of past lives and It's very difficult for me to research these, because hypnoses hasn't worked for me yet. I am too afraid to let go of control. Some woman who is famous for channelling messages from the ascended masters past the message that I had an old soul (aren't all the souls the same age, or ageless, for we all come from the same source?). I think they/she meant that my soul was well on the way on the path of karma or evolution to the next level. This still doesn't give me a good clue as to I had most of my incarnations here on earth or somewhere else.
Recently my girlfriend established telepathic contact with a E.T. race. They where the ones that made the crop circles near Chilbolton radio telescope in Hampshire, UK http://humansarefree.com/2011/02/two-most-important-alien-messages.html
She made the contact during a conversation we had in which I expressed my wish to have open contact with E.T.'s at least once in my life. She then (half as a joke) tried to make contact with the supposed creators of these cropcircles I just studied that day and, wham!! very clear contact instantly. She remained contact for the rest of the night and got lots of information and images from them. They look a little bit like the pictures from greys, are the same in length, but are more blue-ish in colour, and are very different in nature, as in: They are very very gentle and make a real big thing about free will. They are pretty deep into technology, but live in close harmony with nature. They see aging as a reminder that everything is always in change, but living in harmony allows them to age in a beautiful way.
Since that night my girlfriend remained contact, but it was never as intense as the first time.
Strangely: On several occasions they expressed their wish to establish telepathic contact with me as well (I haven't been able to up till now, because this control thing of me is getting in the way). But the first time there was contact, I felt a lot too and I feel a connection between us. There are parallels between their overall nature and mine.

Lately My partner is having lots of contact with the Hators and doesn't contact the other beings a lot.

I don't know. I've had serious troubles in finding my way in this life. Until recent years I all ways felt very disconnected with society.
When I look behind my fortifications I am spooked bye the way people treat each other here on earth. Sometimes it's just too much for me. Then I can't handle it.

This is the info I have to work with in finding out if I'm a human human, or a E.T. human :)

[<8>]

I am...............

[christian]

I guess 'some time ago' I was living on the Pleyades. I get the feeling, that my Pleyadian friends think, it's somehow pretty cool to be an earthling right now. And I do, too! :biggrin1:

[another bob]

I used to assume that I was from “somewhere” before awakening to the realization that I didn’t know where “anywhere” was. This recognition was like the proverbial pebble in the pond, whose ripples continue to reveal that this “not knowing” actually applies to everything.

Imagine, for example, the feeling of being when trying to grasp something. Then imagine the feeling of being when relieved of all such effort. It’s the same with memory. Let it go.

Garbed in an endless array of neural costumery, memory is an organizing principle for consciousness to reflect a sense of enduring individuation in its path towards self-awareness -- racing with the moon on Saturday Night, praising the Lord Sunday Morning.

All conceptual categories are memory-based data retrieval programs fabricated by consciousness to support and maintain a streaming interpretive scheme of personal continuity in the face of incomprehensible chaos (the unknown source of itself), and so navigate the dependently originating objective world as if it were concrete, permanent, substantial, and real.

Memory requires a frame of reference. However, without resort to memory, what reference is there to frame? This is all an engaging bother, ordinary enough in its compounded confusion, but one has to find out for oneself that there is another option.

It’s just what I said: Let it go. See what remains.


:yo:

Hey another bob,

In the short period I've participated here on Avalon I came to love all the eloquent posts you made here, but this one is too deep for me man.
I have no idea what you are talking about. Not even a clue ! :yield

Greetings, Friend!

When we let go of our preconceived notions, such as "the past", a clear space opens up for us to be present. Being present is what's real, not where we might have come from, or where we might be going to. All that is just in the realm of imagination. You can test this for yourself. Without resort to memory or concepts, are you an alien, a human, or neither? Without resort to memory or concepts, what does "alien" or "human" even mean?

:yo:

[9eagle9]

Since I haven't expressed anything remotely resembling anything what may be percieved as Alien, and simply what occurs when a human allows their full expression I'm going to have to stick with I'm a human.

When I wake up one morning inspired on how to build a intergalatic space craft I'll reconsider my potential and my origins.

thus far those claiming to be aliens haven't done anything that inspires me to think they are aliens. When someone expresses alien like behaviors or demonstrations,I will reconsider that as well.

Thus far what I have obsserved in aliens appears to be more human behavior labled as 'alien'.





Plain old boring human being.

if I choose to be an alien will my ratings go up?

Anyone remember when the entertainer formerly known as Prince discarded his name and decided he was a symbol?

When I read the whole story behind that decision of his, My respect for Prince went up immensely.

Iffin's youse posts that youse an alien, I will thank that post. :p

Reminding you that Prince is still Badass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_2tSGxGnJQ&feature=player_embedded#!)

[Eram]

I used to assume that I was from “somewhere” before awakening to the realization that I didn’t know where “anywhere” was. This recognition was like the proverbial pebble in the pond, whose ripples continue to reveal that this “not knowing” actually applies to everything.

Imagine, for example, the feeling of being when trying to grasp something. Then imagine the feeling of being when relieved of all such effort. It’s the same with memory. Let it go.

Garbed in an endless array of neural costumery, memory is an organizing principle for consciousness to reflect a sense of enduring individuation in its path towards self-awareness -- racing with the moon on Saturday Night, praising the Lord Sunday Morning.

All conceptual categories are memory-based data retrieval programs fabricated by consciousness to support and maintain a streaming interpretive scheme of personal continuity in the face of incomprehensible chaos (the unknown source of itself), and so navigate the dependently originating objective world as if it were concrete, permanent, substantial, and real.

Memory requires a frame of reference. However, without resort to memory, what reference is there to frame? This is all an engaging bother, ordinary enough in its compounded confusion, but one has to find out for oneself that there is another option.

It’s just what I said: Let it go. See what remains.


:yo:

Hey another bob,

In the short period I've participated here on Avalon I came to love all the eloquent posts you made here, but this one is too deep for me man.
I have no idea what you are talking about. Not even a clue ! :yield

Greetings, Friend!

When we let go of our preconceived notions, such as "the past", a clear space opens up for us to be present. Being present is what's real, not where we might have come from, or where we might be going to. All that is just in the realm of imagination. You can test this for yourself. Without resort to memory or concepts, are you an alien, a human, or neither? Without resort to memory or concepts, what does "alien" or "human" even mean?

:yo:

Thanks another bob,

I get it now. I think I quit drinking with this concept. Bashar tells that one doens't have to look at what you always did in the past if you want to quit a habit. Every person is like a multi faced endless cube in which every personality and 'matching behaviour' is locked. To quit a disfunctional habit, one just has to connect with the part of the cube that never did this, in my case drinking. So I quit drinking bye connecting with the part of me that never drank and it has been the easiest in most liberating thing I ever did.

[9eagle9]

I said I'm a plain old boring human. I don't know many other humans to determine if they have the same dull traits as I. Most everyone else insists they are angels and aliens. . I find that aspect of humanity interesting but since they are not humans I suppose I'm thinking that angels, and aliens are interesting. But not interesting enough to actually wish myself to be one.

My own mediocrity may make me an exclusive species one day.


Humans are not plain or boring, humans are wonderful and each one different and beautiful in a very unique way. I have never met one boring human being and I have never met 2 humans the same, Humans are great!!

[another bob]

I get it now. I think I quit drinking with this concept. So I quit drinking bye connecting with the part of me that never drank and it has been the easiest in most liberating thing I ever did.


Congratulations, my Friend!

Before meeting my Beloved, I had amassed quite a substantial wine collection. After we met, I gave away all my wine and have never touched another drop (almost 12 years now). Being with her is intoxicating enough . . . When we find what's most attractive, all previous pursuits become naturally obsolete.

:yo:

[Neptun]

Have any of you in this lifetime been born on another planet and are here on earth.

[another bob]

Have any of you in this lifetime been born on another planet and are here on earth.

Does San Francisco qualify as another planet?

[Carmody]

Have any of you in this lifetime been born on another planet and are here on earth.

Does San Francisco qualify as another planet?

Probably. I know some of those Berkeley folks.....

As for me being 'siran', at one time or another....It's not like it does much for me in the here and now.

[another bob]

Have any of you in this lifetime been born on another planet and are here on earth.

Does San Francisco qualify as another planet?

Probably. I know some of those Berkeley folks.....

As for me being 'siran', at one time or another....It's not like it does much for me in the here and now.


http://i44.tinypic.com/9vbec0.gif

[WHOMADEGOD]

The answer to your question is difficult to pinpoint. We are multidimensional and we are therefore here, there and in multiple places in multiple universes all at once. From what I have been told, there are currently 383 planets from five local universes ascending at this time. Earth is definitely one of those. I have also been told that because of this multi-planet ascension, many people are helping Earth to ascend and they are also helping many of those 383 planets to ascend.....all at once. I was also told that I was recently either from, had been visiting or had been passing through the Scorpius constellation where Antares is located. There is evidently a favored planet in that area.

Hi Snowbird,

I wonder if you could elaborate on this multiple me hypothesis please?

The one thing I have never understood about past lives, parallel lives etc., how is it I am only conscious of my current existence now amd here typing this to you from my home?

What makes this life different from the others?

Why does this life seem the only one or if not, why does it appear to be the dominant or root one?

I am not disputing some kind of interconnectedness of infinite possibilities but why does it all stem from this point I am experiencing now and not from say a previous life as this life is a previous life compared to my future existence incarnate?

It makes all this knowledge of other me's Pointless because I am here and now not there and now or then.

As you can appreciate quite difficult to articulate, sorry :-)

Mark

[songsfortheotherkind]

Have any of you in this lifetime been born on another planet and are here on earth.

How complicated would you like it to get?

I'm technically a walk-in. Shared the space from pre-birth and came and went, K-Pax style, until 2002. Been here ever since- and the handover was dramatic enough for it to be noticed by many. I don't do 'born', I jump, have done so since I can remember, and I can still do it astrally if I use the links in the water. There aremanyother ways of getting around the multiverse than being born- most of the Beings I'm connected to find the mechanisms necessary to get into the human avatar distressing, lots of things work very differently in other physical realms- not everyone has an interest or inclination towards the non-corporeal and lots of Beings are comfortable in degrees of physical slideyness that would make a human's hair stand on end- and frequently does. That's part of what's going on here- great efforts being made to wake up the creator potential in those that can hold the signal.

Think outside the box- the game that's played here is primitive in the extreme because it's a reflection of the limitation of the makers of homo sapiens: there are *waaaaaaaaay* more interesting Things Afoot and to those who know how to play, things are only limited to the imagination... :D

This was cool for me to remember right at this point- thanks so much for asking the question, I just got major clickage in my Being. *delight*

[songsfortheotherkind]

The answer to your question is difficult to pinpoint. We are multidimensional and we are therefore here, there and in multiple places in multiple universes all at once.

*bounces* This, this exactly. It's the way *I* do things, although it does make it reeeeeeeeeeeeally difficult to function if I let my Self be how I like to be.

*waves hands in glee* The conversations about this require a language much more expansive and multidimensional than this one, which is one of the things I love at this time- it feels like reverse engineering is going on big time. :D

[songsfortheotherkind]

I said I'm a plain old boring human. I don't know many other humans to determine if they have the same dull traits as I. Most everyone else insists they are angels and aliens. . I find that aspect of humanity interesting but since they are not humans I suppose I'm thinking that angels, and aliens are interesting. But not interesting enough to actually wish myself to be one.

My own mediocrity may make me an exclusive species one day.


Humans are not plain or boring, humans are wonderful and each one different and beautiful in a very unique way. I have never met one boring human being and I have never met 2 humans the same, Humans are great!!

That's the third post you've made about that. Are you wanting something? It feels like a lover of realism painting has walked into an enthusiastic gathering of surrealism painting lovers and is busily complaining that the surreal isn't real enough, which is curious in and of itself because the sign at the entrance was really specific as to the nature of the gathering. I'm genuinely curious as to your purpose and intent, because I've noticed you do this often enough for it to have gotten my attention.

[Neptun]

songsfortheotherkind,

Does that mean you are 2 souls sharing the same body?

So the key here is to think more outside the box and make the game more interesting? Is it correct, that when we ask the right question the fun begins?

[Hervé]

Cool!

Getting out of galactic parochialism.

Of course, what may be confusing is the imprecision as to what one is talking about:

Is it the biological body?

Is it the interface coupled with that biological body (see Inelia and Bill on that subject)?

Or is it the BEING using that interface to operate the corresponding body anyone recognizes as Joe Doe?

Each of the above having its respective conditionnings/programmings/filters which Carmody has addressed in some fashions in other threads from his own experience with them.

From there, depending on which of these three domains got the control stick and one is "BEING" that particular brand.

That said, different groups of beings have different predilections for particular interfaces and types of bodies... never mind genders. Hermaphrodite bodies being mostly absent on Earth, some groups have a tough time of it...

As for the biological bodies on Earth, well, they come from all over this galaxy... and others.



Earth has passed through several stages officially since being destroyed by atomic and hydrogen nuclear bombs and made radioactive 75 million years ago.

The inches-thick layer of dust produced by the catastrophe containing radioactive decay elements is well known by Geologists who find it in preserved rock strata, but who have no explanation for it other than "intensive volcanic activity about 70 million years ago". (Methods of use in geological dating are not as accurate as E-Meters yet.)

After the catastrophe, Earth was declared by the Galactic Confederation to be "OFF LIMITS" and a "RESTRICTED ZONE".

Over the millenia, official Galactic agencies such as the Biological Survey, the Planetary Survey, the Galactic Survey, and other Scientific and Administrative organizations have observed, tested, explored, and finally seeded the planet with new life forms. Most of these forms were transported from other planets in the Sector with similar environments. They finally survived here on Earth as a stable flora and fauna after the radioactivity levels died down to normal and mutation was not a big problem.

Although the continents "drifted" apart rather rapidly in the eons following the catastrophe and were no longer in the same relationship to each other, attempts were made to duplicate the conditions existing previously. Thus, in the southern half of Africa, which had been a wildlife park, we today find many strange and varied species such as Zebras, Giraffes, Hippos, Ibex, Elephants, etc., which obviously could not have all "evolved" there, as this extreme variety occurs nowhere else on the planet.

About a million years ago, it was deemed the correct time to put higher organism forms on Earth, so that the spiritual beings still trapped on the planet in varying degrees of shock and disorientation could find sentient bodies to occupy and begin the long, slow climb back to Civilization.

Since at the time of the catastrophe there were many representatives of other planetary races on Earth (it had been a beautiful tourist-vacation type planet with large jeweled cities supporting a population of billions), initial stocks of all body types were transported to Earth and became what we know today as the various "races of man".

After the rudiments of survival were established and group and political activity began - about 10,000 to 20,000 years ago - it become apparent that higher instruction was needed as the inhabitants were constantly dramatizing their aberrations and fears by wars, racial vendettas, and a general tendency to destroy all that had been so laboriously created to help them survive and prosper.

Civilized beings from various Galactic Organizations volunteered to do "missions" on Earth, take human bodies and teach. Philosophy, Art, Science and Religion received great impetus from these programs.



how this planet was ruined… And first this was a forbidden area… This whole planet was a Non-Interference-Zone (http://www.freezone.de/english/cbr/sector9/e_sob03.htm)… It was used for everything you know… dumping… slave planet… whatever… place to get rid of people at.


on this planet… not that’s an easy one to handle, it’s probably the roughest one in the whole universe to handle because it has all the cases here of every type.

[Ammit]

Race??. I am just me, a lovely part of the human race, my own god, my own king, nothing else....

[Deega]

Thanks Neptun to bring this Tread up.

I have done past life regression, unfortunately, I could not see more than a human being in a particular context in two different past life.

But if we infer from the Bible, we know that the Nefilim had mated with the beautiful women of the time, what type of Alien race was the Nefilim?, that, I'm not sure.

Last year, I have been reading Anton Park work, from his classification, I understand that we were from Sirius.

From Zecharia Stichin, I wonder the provenance of the Annunaki?

At some point, we are the descendants of these race of beings, so I like Anton Park saying that we were bioengineered by the Gina_abul, from mostly Sirius with a mixture of Orion.

All the best to you.

Deega

[songsfortheotherkind]

songsfortheotherkind,

Does that mean you are 2 souls sharing the same body?

Beings, not souls, I don't use that language, it's outside the scope of my parameters. It was that way and is no longer the case, for a given definition of a Self that freely interchanges between 'selves' in multiversal connection where timespace and physical realities are simply layered within itself like damascus steel, less than a micron and thousands of light years apart.

There really is a language of is/is not, when you can access it- it's like being able to translocate requires a less fixated attachment to the physical vehicle in order to bring it along.


So the key here is to think more outside the box and make the game more interesting? Is it correct, that when we ask the right question the fun begins?

*grins at you, eyes gleaming* Of course- isn't that how it always is? Can't find the new and interesting with the same mind that created the old and boring... :D

[Neptun]

songsfortheotherkind,

Interesting. I love to ask outside the box questions and that is probably what many on this forum like to do as well.

What will happen Dec. 2012 and what should we do, to prepare for it to get promoted(go to the next level)?

[Borden]

songsfortheotherkind,

Interesting. I love to ask outside the box questions and that is probably what many on this forum like to do as well.

What will happen Dec. 2012 and what should we do, to prepare for it to get promoted(go to the next level)?

I'm sorry ... I really am, but which box is that question outside of? Is it a box in a giant box factory in Boxworth?

[Neptun]

songsfortheotherkind,

Interesting. I love to ask outside the box questions and that is probably what many on this forum like to do as well.

What will happen Dec. 2012 and what should we do, to prepare for it to get promoted(go to the next level)?

I'm sorry ... I really am, but which box is that question outside of? Is it a box in a giant box factory in Boxworth?

Well a warm up question haha

How can we change our age of our bodies, so we can live longer?

[emissary]

It might be helpful to keep in mind that under the appearance of the race we are all consciousness. The day is coming when the current humanity will see this by learning to recognize itself as consciousness first. The identity is not race. That is an experience the consciousness identifies with. We are multidimensional, therefore identities are not fixed. The identity to explore is the nature of the consciousness that makes all other realities possible.
Humanity cannot be ready to meet others until it can recognize them simply as other consciousnesses. Then you can learns to recognize others the same way as you recognize yourselves and avoid negative contacts. Humanity is still far from this but the coming times will begin the transition.
In recognizing how we are the same, we find common ground to work on and are less threatening to each other.
Perhaps by discovering and identifying with our ET aspects, we are slowly making our way to the greater realizations about who we think we are. Many are naturally already learning to orient ourselves with some ET groups. This is a promising step towards dissolving the identity we often learn to overly define ourselves by. Human

[songsfortheotherkind]

Well a warm up question haha

How can we change our age of our bodies, so we can live longer?

the aging of bodies is related to the rigidity of thinking within the Being regarding the surrounding circumstances and paradigms, how caught up in the stories and restrictions one is. There are real ancients still living on this planet, sliding around- it's why all this talk of 'if there were ancient civilisations here, why can't we find the relics of them, huh huh? where's the proof?' and I'm so openmouthed with astonishment at the limited vision- has the lesson of Burning Man and leave no trace not been learned?

So much restriction of thinking. Get fluidity in the thinking and the rest follows.

[9eagle9]

The point is made about acceptance.



I said I'm a plain old boring human. I don't know many other humans to determine if they have the same dull traits as I. Most everyone else insists they are angels and aliens. . I find that aspect of humanity interesting but since they are not humans I suppose I'm thinking that angels, and aliens are interesting. But not interesting enough to actually wish myself to be one.

My own mediocrity may make me an exclusive species one day.


Humans are not plain or boring, humans are wonderful and each one different and beautiful in a very unique way. I have never met one boring human being and I have never met 2 humans the same, Humans are great!!

That's the third post you've made about that. Are you wanting something? It feels like a lover of realism painting has walked into an enthusiastic gathering of surrealism painting lovers and is busily complaining that the surreal isn't real enough, which is curious in and of itself because the sign at the entrance was really specific as to the nature of the gathering. I'm genuinely curious as to your purpose and intent, because I've noticed you do this often enough for it to have gotten my attention.

[9eagle9]

Oh..and avoidance.

[songsfortheotherkind]

The point is made about acceptance.

I may be extraordinarily obtuse- I am not sure at all what point was made. Care to elucidate? Or is this part of the methodology?

[Neptun]

songsfortheotherkind,

I understand. As Abraham Hicks would say. Get into the vortex and affirm your wish and the universe will provide it to you, if you don't have any resistance to what you really want. When we keep this frequency of our wish for some time it will be like a magnet

How do we get in contact with our higher self so it can teach us directly?

Maybe it is the same answer?

[Snowbird]

[QUOTE=Snowbird;464067]The answer to your question is difficult to pinpoint. We are multidimensional and we are therefore here, there and in multiple places in multiple universes all at once. From what I have been told, there are currently 383 planets from five local universes ascending at this time. Earth is definitely one of those. I have also been told that because of this multi-planet ascension, many people are helping Earth to ascend and they are also helping many of those 383 planets to ascend.....all at once. I was also told that I was recently either from, had been visiting or had been passing through the Scorpius constellation where Antares is located. There is evidently a favored planet in that area.


Hi Snowbird,

I wonder if you could elaborate on this multiple me hypothesis please?

The one thing I have never understood about past lives, parallel lives etc., how is it I am only conscious of my current existence now amd here typing this to you from my home?

What makes this life different from the others?

Hi Mark. We have a number of mysteries going on as we live our lives here on Earth. For one thing, we live linear lives and think linear thoughts and interpret things in a linear way. This is because we humans on Earth reside in the 3rd dimension which is considered matter-based and is the densification of light. It is very very dense and those who have purposely raised their own vibrational frequency have experiences in the higher dimensions. Those who are currently here at this time in history from elsewhere, volunteered to come here with the understanding that for most of us, our memories would be blanked. We came here to experience, learn and remember. Part of what we are here to learn is that we are not dense and fleshly bodies and we come from other areas of our own galaxy and other galaxies. When not in dense fleshly bodies, we are light bodies capable of being in multiple places all at once. You've heard of the term bilocation. When we advance in vibration, we are capable of literally locating our lightbodies into several locations at the same time. And this includes the ability to locate here on earth in dense fleshly form while being able to locate in a totally different area of the universe. At present, as I write this, I don't know how to bilocate. However, my higher self does know how to do this.

You've heard people talk about reptilians or nordic beings walking the halls of the Pentagon in uniform....


Why does this life seem the only one or if not, why does it appear to be the dominant or root one?

I am not disputing some kind of interconnectedness of infinite possibilities but why does it all stem from this point I am experiencing now and not from say a previous life as this life is a previous life compared to my future existence incarnate?

You may or may not be here to experience an Earthly life. It would be difficult to accomplish this if you have complete remembrance of where you stem from. Once off this Earth and out into the galaxy, time does not exist. I haven't wrapped my brain around that yet. I have been told that all lives ever lived are being lived at this Now moment. How's that?


It makes all this knowledge of other me's Pointless because I am here and now not there and now or then.

As you can appreciate quite difficult to articulate, sorry :-)

Actually, you are correct that the other lives are pointless at this time. That is because we are here at this time to learn and experience. If we had vast knowledge of former lives, we would be spending too much time investigating and not living Now.

[Neptun]

Well a warm up question haha

How can we change our age of our bodies, so we can live longer?

the aging of bodies is related to the rigidity of thinking within the Being regarding the surrounding circumstances and paradigms, how caught up in the stories and restrictions one is. There are real ancients still living on this planet, sliding around- it's why all this talk of 'if there were ancient civilisations here, why can't we find the relics of them, huh huh? where's the proof?' and I'm so openmouthed with astonishment at the limited vision- has the lesson of Burning Man and leave no trace not been learned?

So much restriction of thinking. Get fluidity in the thinking and the rest follows.
Do you have contact to those ancient ones and how can we get in contact with them? Would they like to communicate on this forum?

[songsfortheotherkind]

How do we get in contact with our higher self so it can teach us directly?

the trick is in understanding that you are your Self *and* your 'higher Self' at the same time if you let that happen. It's all there, already.

[Neptun]

How do we get in contact with our higher self so it can teach us directly?

the trick is in understanding that you are your Self *and* your 'higher Self' at the same time if you let that happen. It's all there, already.
How can we make threats on this forum, where there are ETs that reply, so we all can get to know them?

I guess you are one being that is probably thousand of years old or more?

[9eagle9]

My apologies with all these great aliens minds bouncing around one felt that it could by alien expression have an understanding of the lowly non-alien human. Perhaps alienhood is not all that is cracked up to be.

Acknowledging that one is multi dimensional means that people aren't just aliens. Or just humans. Rather limiting. The value is that if one is Sirian or Pleidian or Martian pretty much assigns the same value as of human. One has traded one brand name for another.

I am the first to acknowledge not everything in human form is human but....those entities in human forms typically have an expression that demonstrates as to what is going on behind the human form. I am only asking for a demonstration of that expression and I have failed to have my request fulfilled. (Perhaps because I'm asking ...humans?)

The first slip of the tongue when addressing the situation are people who refer to aliens as aliens. Aliens of course do not refer to themselves as aliens so i have to stifle a little laugh at that. Humans refer to aliens as aliens. An alien is an entity foreign onto one's self. Which rather reframes that people aren't really knowing themselves but latching onto an idea and remaining stuck there.

While having our alien selves be bopping all other the universe serves that particular self and perhaps even that dimension the alien s have never quite elucidated as to what purpose it is serving here. Nor do the ...uhm..entities I know who claim to be reincarnated galaxies express this aspect of themselves here. Reserving it for that particular dimension or simply a way to trump and belitle and the alien people. "You're from Sirious. Siriously I AM Sirious. Seriously. "

Or what challenges they have overcome (humanity has a lot of challenges) by simply skipping over the human aspect and assuming the alien aspect of one's self. How does that work?

Has one's DNA activated by having this expression. How?

How it is expressed exactly or demonstrated?

Or is just another thought to avoid confronting certain challenges one has when trotting around in a human form. Until we find a way to over-trump those reincarnated galaxies with something even better sounding.

How does it serve this particular dimension?



The point is made about acceptance.

I may be extraordinarily obtuse- I am not sure at all what point was made. Care to elucidate? Or is this part of the methodology?

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If you are looking for your Higher Self as an alien will it respond in kind? Or will it assign it a value of meaningless in a context of being greater than what we think we are?




How do we get in contact with our higher self so it can teach us directly?

the trick is in understanding that you are your Self *and* your 'higher Self' at the same time if you let that happen. It's all there, already.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Do you have contact to those ancient ones and how can we get in contact with them? Would they like to communicate on this forum?

If they wanted to do so, they'd be here. :)

[Neptun]

Do you have contact to those ancient ones and how can we get in contact with them? Would they like to communicate on this forum?

If they wanted to do so, they'd be here. :)

And it is the intent from us that is lacking. When we change the intent and say, yes we want to speak with ETs and ancient ones on this forum. They will reply correct?

[songsfortheotherkind]

My apologies with all these great aliens minds bouncing around one felt that it could by alien expression have an understanding of the lowly non-alien human. Perhaps alienhood is not all that is cracked up to be.

Passive aggression and plain rudeness is really boring for me, to the point where I have no interest in replying if these are the tactics you wish to employ. I'm interested in evolution and communication beyond the virus and as this post has neither of these qualities, I shall bow politely and remove my Self from the connection.

And there's so much questioning regarding why nonhumans don't show up more frequently.

[Neptun]

My apologies with all these great aliens minds bouncing around one felt that it could by alien expression have an understanding of the lowly non-alien human. Perhaps alienhood is not all that is cracked up to be.

Passive aggression and plain rudeness is really boring for me, to the point where I have no interest in replying if these are the tactics you wish to employ. I'm interested in evolution and communication beyond the virus and as this post has neither of these qualities, I shall bow politely and remove my Self from the connection.

And there's so much questioning regarding why nonhumans don't show up more frequently.

Interesting. Is it correctly understood, that many humans have a too closed minds and get rude, when things are not as they are used to and that is why non humans don't show up, because we are not ready?

[9eagle9]

Human traits yes.

So is avoidance.

Aliens of course can also avoid any direct questions as to how they express themselves in this dimension yet insist that others must believe them based on the same....mechanism.

Passive Aggressive.

I'm seeing a shocking similarity between aliens and humans so I AM being shown something!
Hm........

[Cilka]

Unfortunately I am from the human ET race. I was called a reptilian by someone here. Now, I have been called many names in the past but a 'Reptilian" was the first time ever. I had a good laugh, I just hope that this person calling anyone a reptilian as if it was a casual conversation will grow up real quick.

To all those, who think that it is that easy for reptilians to mate with humans, please people do more searching on this subject instead of being stuck in a primitive thinking. I used to be a member of this cult-truth seeking group on the internet. I am not going name this group but many of you might be familiar of this pathetic bunch of educated morons who are spreading disinfo as if it was the only truth they knew. The head of this cult talked quite a bit about reptilians who quite often mated with human species, and these hybrids (human looking) then created conflicts among people, in fact, these hybrids would on purpose marry non hybrids and then would make these humans suffer in various ways. Fortunately I snapped out of the hypnotic control of this group and I got out of it. I would not be surprised if quite a few of you were also part of their web.'

The human species are funny in a way. They constantly seek to find someone else to blame for their problems, instead of realizing that when someone makes your life a hell it is because they are simply mentally sick psychos. One in 25 people in North America are sociopaths, now, that is quite a lot people whose purpose is to make a hell for the rest of us. I met a few of them, lucky me, and I am only 43. What did I do with these psychos? I sued two of them instead of complaining that they were reptilian hybrids. I won and I moved on.

We are the human primitive ET species who have not yet mastered our way of life on this planet.

[songsfortheotherkind]

And it is the intent from us that is lacking. When we change the intent and say, yes we want to speak with ETs and ancient ones on this forum. They will reply correct?

*grins* By the time you get to that point, it will be worth having conversations together, yep. :)

[9eagle9]

Aliens can't cope with rudeness (check). One presumes they must have ascended to be above all that.

Yet come to what is claimed as a planet generally known for rudeness to in-habitate. Are there many aliens in NYC?

Seeing no other immediate reason than a passive aggressive desire for abuse one (which doens't sound overly spiritually evolved ) one might generously speculate that aliens may choose to inhabite in human form to learn how to work out this challlenge of rudeness?

Then again so do humans thusly make such agreements.





My apologies with all these great aliens minds bouncing around one felt that it could by alien expression have an understanding of the lowly non-alien human. Perhaps alienhood is not all that is cracked up to be.

Passive aggression and plain rudeness is really boring for me, to the point where I have no interest in replying if these are the tactics you wish to employ. I'm interested in evolution and communication beyond the virus and as this post has neither of these qualities, I shall bow politely and remove my Self from the connection.

And there's so much questioning regarding why nonhumans don't show up more frequently.

Interesting. Is it correctly understood, that many humans have a too closed minds and get rude, when things are not as they are used to and that is why non humans don't show up, because we are not ready?

[Neptun]

And it is the intent from us that is lacking. When we change the intent and say, yes we want to speak with ETs and ancient ones on this forum. They will reply correct?

*grins* By the time you get to that point, it will be worth having conversations together, yep. :)

I understand. Humans are very thickheaded and it has taken me some time to simply not care about it.

What if we start with a small private group of very open-minded people, that want to explore where most people don't instead of waiting for the rest of the flock to team up?

[songsfortheotherkind]

Interesting. Is it correctly understood, that many humans have a too closed minds and get rude, when things are not as they are used to and that is why non humans don't show up, because we are not ready?

Do you personally enjoy speaking to individuals who use one's perspective and experience to become aggressive, belittling, rude and mocking?

There are so many more interesting things to be discussing, I love exploring the multiverse, the infinite possibilities, the pathways to the slidiness, co-creation and the like- and that there are simply Beings, not races and species, from the perspective that I inhabit. This is a much more pleasurable way of Being, for me, and those gorgeous Otherkind Beings that I hang out with. :)

It's natural that Beings who operate from certain levels of perspective decline to engage with those that are coming from completely different and non sui generis perspectives- it's too frustrating and at cross purposes.

[Neptun]

songsfortheotherkind,

I follow. I know how irritating it is to want to debate cutting edge information and when I mention 1% people will attack me for it.

I'm not Christian but the Bible says it perfectly.
"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." (Matthew 7:6).

It most have been very frustrating to be on a planet with so many thickheaded people that would attack you if you shared with them your true self.

[Sith73]

Andromeda is my origin, been to Orion and now here on Earth as a human. As the Earth is changing to 4D its a great time to be here. Many good changes on the way.

[Borden]

And it is the intent from us that is lacking. When we change the intent and say, yes we want to speak with ETs and ancient ones on this forum. They will reply correct?

*grins* By the time you get to that point, it will be worth having conversations together, yep. :)

I understand. Humans are very thickheaded and it has taken me some time to simply not care about it.

What if we start with a small private group of very open-minded people, that want to explore where most people don't instead of waiting for the rest of the flock to team up?

I think you might want to visit the pub at the end of the universe, Neptun.

[Neptun]

And it is the intent from us that is lacking. When we change the intent and say, yes we want to speak with ETs and ancient ones on this forum. They will reply correct?

*grins* By the time you get to that point, it will be worth having conversations together, yep. :)

I understand. Humans are very thickheaded and it has taken me some time to simply not care about it.

What if we start with a small private group of very open-minded people, that want to explore where most people don't instead of waiting for the rest of the flock to team up?

I think you might want to visit the pub at the end of the universe, Neptun.

Formulate a question and having an intent is pure magic. Now I get what I asked for. So amazing. Thanks.

[9eagle9]

And aliens cannot answer direct questions in regards to how their 'true' nature is expressed.

Or is that humans are not allowed to question aliens?

And must of course take all statements of origins as factual and on faith.

And perhaps accounts for why there is little alien to human contact?

Or humans are just supposed to take aliens at their word because they are aliens?

Yet aliens are alleged here to help with human evolution yet cannot answer a simple question such as how does an alien express itself on this dimension.

Gotcha.

The fawtly human of course.

Some humans have this annoying habit of questioning everything which must make inter species relations irksome.


Interesting. Is it correctly understood, that many humans have a too closed minds and get rude, when things are not as they are used to and that is why non humans don't show up, because we are not ready?

Do you personally enjoy speaking to individuals who use one's perspective and experience to become aggressive, belittling, rude and mocking?

There are so many more interesting things to be discussing, I love exploring the multiverse, the infinite possibilities, the pathways to the slidiness, co-creation and the like- and that there are simply Beings, not races and species, from the perspective that I inhabit. This is a much more pleasurable way of Being, for me, and those gorgeous Otherkind Beings that I hang out with. :)

It's natural that Beings who operate from certain levels of perspective decline to engage with those that are coming from completely different and non sui generis perspectives- it's too frustrating and at cross purposes.

[another bob]

I think you might want to visit the pub at the end of the universe, Neptun.


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[songsfortheotherkind]

songsfortheotherkind,

I follow. I know how irritating it is to want to debate cutting edge information and when I mention 1% people will attack me for it.

I'm not Christian but the Bible says it perfectly.
"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." (Matthew 7:6).



That Bible quote has been a mantra of mine now for quite some time- it was actually the way I learned to stop hurting my Self around those armed with pitchfork mentality. There is much in the Anunnaki bible that is useful, indeed, to navigate the Realms that we're in, while ignoring the stupidity of control and dominance paradigms. :)

The tedium that in the past accompanied my revealing of my true Self is indeed one of the major reasons I stopped talking about it for decades. I'm much better at dealing with it now and it really has nothing to do with species or race, it has to do with recognising a particular kind of signal and choosing that rather than the dissonance. :)

[Neptun]

songsfortheotherkind

Something that is really helpful is to understand, we are communicating with a mirror of ourselves. It takes 2 to a tango. When someone is reacting to something we say, we can simply ignore it. The only reason, we would reply is to start a battle about who is right, what is ego oriented. Ego is lack of love to our core self and 2 ego's battling is a loser game. I have been there allot, so I know from experience.

The moment we know, we are good enough as we are and defending the ego is waste of time. We can leave the drama and raise the vibration and uplift humanity.

[Neptun]

songsfortheotherkind,

I had a strange experience where a being from another dimension that looked like a black octopus and I think it had a head as a sun was sharing things with me in my dreams and I had some very intense dreams or maybe it showed me parallel universes of my self. I even woke up with another persons mind and it took me few min. to find myself again. Very strange.

Do you know what that could have been?

What is in control of this speaker? He has a strange energy around him
lDbgDRNmhYs

[songsfortheotherkind]

songsfortheotherkind

Something that is really helpful is to understand, we are communicating with a mirror of ourselves. It takes 2 to a tango. When someone is reacting to something we say, we can simply ignore it. The only reason, we would reply is to start a battle about who is right, what is ego oriented. Ego is lack of love to our core self and 2 ego's battling is a loser game. I have been there allot, so I know from experience.

The moment we know, we are good enough as we are and defending the ego is waste of time. We can leave the drama and raise the vibration and uplift humanity.

Yes, absolutely- that is the whole purpose of the virus itself, to bring to conscious awareness that which refuses to be made conscious, so that the noise can be cleared and truly interesting things, New things, energies and spaces that as individuals we haven't been able to expand into previously. It's in the expansion, the embracing and the widening out, that the information regarding evolution is.

I am well up on smiling jedi mind tricks- nothing to see here, move along... *grins*

[9eagle9]

Would that be the human or alien ego?

We can leave the drama and raise the vibration and uplift humanity.



I will be waiting for that one if aliens cannot bear the rudeness of humans nor are humans allowed to question just precisely, I am for sure curious to know how all this uplifting will occur?


songsfortheotherkind

Something that is really helpful is to understand, we are communicating with a mirror of ourselves. It takes 2 to a tango. When someone is reacting to something we say, we can simply ignore it. The only reason, we would reply is to start a battle about who is right, what is ego oriented. Ego is lack of love to our core self and 2 ego's battling is a loser game. I have been there allot, so I know from experience.

The moment we know, we are good enough as we are and defending the ego is waste of time. We can leave the drama and raise the vibration and uplift humanity.

[Neptun]

9eagle9,

I can see you are looking for an ego battle.Try something new and let it go and notice the difference.

[Neptun]

songsfortheotherkind,You call it a virus. Is it like a battle that goes on in the higher dimensions as well, that this virus doesn't want to expand but limit conscious?

This octopus I mentioned. Was it part of that virus?

[songsfortheotherkind]

songsfortheotherkind,You call it a virus. Is it like a battle that goes on in the higher dimensions as well, that this virus doesn't want to expand but limit conscious?

This octopus I mentioned. Was it part of that virus?

The virus I've written about elsewhere, in pieces and shards- have you seen that?

The energy Being is not part of the virus- the virus cannot expand beyond this planet, there has been a quarantine here for a long, long time- it's why there will never be homo sapiens expanding out into the 'Verse, only those that are virus free will get to slide between worlds. The energy Being you encountered is a teacher-frequently the most amazing teachers are those whose physical expressions are the least like ours. :) I've written about some amazing encounters with those Beings that have no heartbeat, don't breathe, have no internal endocrine or lymph fluids like this avatar does- it was quite challenging, initially, to say the least. *laughing*

There are infinite realms hidden within the spaces of this planet, which is the macrocosm of the infinite realms that are hidden within you as a Being. We simply access the slidiness and all kinds of strange and interesting thing happen...

[9eagle9]

And this passive contempt for humanity , where does that come from?

Of course not the ego...let me guess. Aliens don't have them do they?!!!

The new Caste system that is developing here is fascinating.

How uplifting to humanity you are...


9eagle9,

I can see you are looking for an ego battle.Try something new and let it go and notice the difference.

[jorr lundstrom]

Confusing experienced. Wot is meant by the expression humanity?
Is it all humans? When people say that they love humanity, wot
do they mean? Do they mean that they love all human beings?
Have they met them? Isnt the word humanity a very abstract thing?
It seems to me a very cheap thing to make statements about humanity.
How do you see it? LOL



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqVGjS6o2R8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqVGjS6o2R8


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[Neptun]

songsfortheotherkind,

I have seen many people are infested with some dark shadow energy parasite from another dimension that influences peoples minds and feed of their frustration or negative energy. I have experienced they jumped on me and attacked me, if I helped other people close the weak spots they had, where the parasite had attached themselves, I would experience half sleep/awake and be paralyzed at night and feel them around me or flying around or I would wrestle with them.

I was not scared of them.

It does not happen any more.

The key is to raise the vibration. They can only feed off people with low vibration.

Is that the virus?

[Neptun]

jorr lundstrom,

There is a difference about love that is an egoistic feeling. I love you and get mad at you, if you don't love me back. To unconditional love. unconditional love feels like being connected with everything. When I feel unconditional love I don't need anything back. The other day I was visualizing, I was sailing on the ocean and I felt a strong unconditional love to the ocean, like it was liquid love. The feeling was almost orgasmic.

Everything has been created of unconditional love and when I feel unconditional love for the ocean, it's like being connected to the energy, we all are.

It's a bit hard to explain.

[9eagle9]

I would have to say I could take your post and insert the word 'alien' to replace human.

I havent' seen people clearly demonstrate an understanding of human expression myself before scurrying up the ladder to transcend into aliens. Nor a willingness to discuss how they did that nor tell how that state of being is expressed other than flipping back the same old trusty standby...the ego.

There are two basic principles that would allow for something like that and yet the aliens seem strangely unware of them.


Where they don't demonstrate any expression of their alien hood save for repeating basic energy movements that appears to be copy and posted from Principles of Excorcism 101.

A human on a path of awareness can at least awkwardly express their humanity. Like the apparent rudeness of humans but after watching this same discussion that is an offshoot of the Doreen Virtue memes put into the program years back there as been no self professed alien that has been able to provide answers to the ones that you've just posted about humanity.

Neither species seems to know very much about themselves.

Or more succintly...what's the point? Of course you can't ask because you'll have a finger wagged in your face and be told that you can't understand because your a mere human.....yet somehow that will uplift humanity.

Oh the programming.



Confusing experienced. Wot is meant by the expression humanity?
Is it all humans? When people say that they love humanity, wot
do they mean? Do they mean that they love all human beings?
Have they met them? Isnt the word humanity a very abstract thing?
It seems to me a very cheap thing to make statements about humanity.
How do you see it? LOL



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqVGjS6o2R8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqVGjS6o2R8


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[Neptun]

9eagle9,

To uplift humanity means to raise the vibration towards unconditional love.

Some people don't want to raise their vibration, because they don't want to change themselves and they will bitch and complain all day long and try to bring everybody into an ego fight.

Either ignore it or be pulled into the drama and kick some ass, what I'm pretty good at, if I have to toot my own horn. I'm used to fight 10-20 shills alone all at ones, when I was in the ego game. But it is waste of time, energy and is pathetic, so I rather give you a virtual hug and tell you, you are a strong, beautiful and lovely soul.

[Carmody]

Dissonance, limits you.

Argument, Limits you.

Emotionalism, limits you.

Discussion, does not limit you.

Letting go, frees you.

Opening, frees you.

Fear, limits you.

Love, opens you.

control, limits you.

Any ideas on God and limits, is automatically what we call 'Luciferian', for it is all about limits, control, and ignorance.

Any Ideas on God and rules, automatically, by being, by act, by existence....is Luciferian.

Simple realization gives the key to stepping out of that circular argument of entrapment.


The post that bob thanked me for, on page two. from the thread it comes from:

~~~~~~~~~~~

More about 'Dimension of Miracles' (A Robert Sheckley sci-fi satire novel I read in my early teens):

"Order is merely a primitive and arbitrary relational grouping of objects in the chaos of the universe, and that, if a being's intelligence and power approached maximum, his coefficient of control (considered as the product of intelligence and power, and expressed by the symbol ing) would approach minimum—due to the disastrous geometric progression of objects to be comprehended and controlled outstripping the arithmetic progression of Grasp.

The idea here seems to be that as beings develop their intelligence, they should relinquish their desire to control things, for such an imposition of order is bound to fail anyhow; and this is certainly compatible with the notion of accepting things as they are and living in the present moment, amplified in later passages. Serenity of spirit also emerges as an advantageous trait: when Karmod, a rival to Carmody who wishes to gain his Prize, attempts to wrangle it through insult and intimidation, he realizes his emotional outburst has deprived him of true fulfillment ("By satisfying himself, he had lost his chance for self-satisfaction.")


The initial statement, or idea...is presented that, even if the universe be infinity, to control the universe takes...infinity +1. That a 'all being - all present' intelligence can only BE (I AM), it cannot control. For control of all ....is just beyond. this also indicates that intelligence, being, coalescence itself... rushes ahead of control. Control requiring complete integration as a point of being. Complete integration being the I AM or the 'Being of all', is on the stage and is the state we seek and become, before control arrives. Yes, being 'all' comes before and stands exalted, and ahead of - control. That 'I AM' will exist to the fullest, and that 'control' ....never will, that 'Control' will only exist locally.

Which is a pretty serious bit of thought for an old sci-fi novel. Especially one so forgotten.

~~~~~~~~
Bob's reply:



Yes, that's it!

Saying it slightly differently, Sri Nisargadatta:

What is the Ultimate Reality? What are you? You can not understand with your intellect. It is beyond the grasp of the intellect. How do you understand anything? Any knowledge of any kind that you think you have can only be in the consciousness. How can the consciousness which
came later give you any knowledge about that state which exists prior to consciousness’ arrival? Any thought that you have reached, or are going to reach that state which exists prior, is false.

:yo:

when you put this together, you find that in the end, all aspects of intellectualism, as we know it here, end up having to go, as they are in their own way, a form of localized control.

We are 'hoisted by our own petard' (lifted by our own ass) of desire. However sublimated that desire may be, it still exists. so we see what we need to see within the scope of bigger window with more bits... but it is what we interpret and how we interpret - that is essential.

Thus the answer cannot be handed down, it must be discovered for and by the self, for external influence of a local 'thing' (the given 'you'), automatically infers and becomes..... limits, and we are back to square one, locked into limits on our very ideas and ideals, our projections/reflections...of self.

[9eagle9]

And we don't realize that "I am an alien" is as much a condition anything else?

We have human conditions and apparently aliens come with their own set of conditions. Humans didn't have enough conditions to laden themselves so have thus decided to create alien conditions for themselves?

Assigning that value of Alien is still limiting and conditioning, so I fail to see where one's vibrational rate is uplifted by piling more conditions on. Of course we know have the human condition to blame for that, while handily ignoring the alien conditions that are quickly piling up resulting in what some may feel as a fawtly vibrational zone.

You may be good at kicking ass but your kicker seems to unclear on what conditions are.

Admittedly I don't much feel as much as my arse has been kicked but just handed over more conditions that are disguised with the label of 'enlightenment'.

[Neptun]

And we don't realize that "I am an alien" is as much a condition anything else?

We have human conditions and apparently aliens come with their own set of conditions. Humans didn't have enough conditions to laden themselves so have thus decided to create alien conditions for themselves?

Assigning that value of Alien is still limiting and conditioning, so I fail to see where one's vibrational rate is uplifted by piling more conditions on. Of course we know have the human condition to blame for that, while handily ignoring the alien conditions that are quickly piling up resulting in what some may feel as a fawtly vibrational zone.

You may be good at kicking ass but your kicker seems to unclear on what conditions are.

Admittedly I don't much feel as much as my arse has been kicked but just handed over more conditions that are disguised with the label of 'enlightenment'.

http://www.graphics99.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/i_love_you_teddy_bear.jpg

[9eagle9]

Oh ...the guilt trip bear.

Works better on Valentines day if you're trying to get in my pants. You'd think aliens would know that.

[Neptun]

9eagle9,
As you can see there is nothing I can say or do to make you feel better. Not even a cheesy and corny teddy bear love joke to uplift your mood worked.

You are responsible for your own raising of vibration. No one can do it for you.

[another bob]

9eagle9,
As you can see there is nothing I can say or do to make you feel better. Not even a cheesy and corny teddy bear love joke to uplift your mood worked.

You are responsible for your own raising of vibration. No one can do it for you.


http://i43.tinypic.com/34t7tvm.gif

[Neptun]

another bob,

If that is what you feel about love, that will happen.

[jorr lundstrom]

A Snailien caught in a lemniscat caught on film. LOL



http://lolsnaps.com/news/20756/0/


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[another bob]

another bob,

If that is what you feel about love, that will happen.


http://i42.tinypic.com/16hixol.jpg

[Neptun]

another bob,

Only Picasso can answer that.
http://netbook.freeflux.net/dynimages/480/files/images/moblogs/2006-09/2006-09/2006-09/2006-09/2006-09/2006-09/2006-09/2006-09/2006-09/2006-09/2006-09/08081402-picasso-pablo-111.jpg

[another bob]

A Snailien caught in a lemniscat caught on film. LOL



http://lolsnaps.com/news/20756/0/

Good capture!

Yes, sneaky snailiens -- they come for us in the night while we sleep . . .


http://i43.tinypic.com/35bikcg.jpg

¤=[Post Update]=¤


another bob,

Only Picasso can answer that.
http://netbook.freeflux.net/dynimages/480/files/images/moblogs/2006-09/2006-09/2006-09/2006-09/2006-09/2006-09/2006-09/2006-09/2006-09/2006-09/2006-09/08081402-picasso-pablo-111.jpg


http://i42.tinypic.com/214tbol.jpg

[VaughnB]

Mexican, at least treated like one.

[Wind]

What ultimately matters is that I am a soul having a human experience. A cell of God, if you will.

[jorr lundstrom]

Some aliens never learn, do they? LOL

Well there are horses and then there are horses LOL



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqohweNnuuc&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLE8EA75CED609763C

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqohweNnuuc&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLE8EA75CED609763C


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[9eagle9]

Then why do you keep trying to make me feel better when my vibrational level is my responsiblity?

For that matter how did you come to the conclusion I felt badly?

Or should I more correctly say, why did you impose the condition of feeling badly on me?

And if you desire that I feel better why would you impose that feeling on me?

Is it because aliens don't understand conditions? And that the idea of being an alien is just that because its continously negated by what appears to be just more human programs and behaviors. ?

Perhaps my intial question, what is the expression of an alien should be addressed so that all those conditions can be kept out of the way.




9eagle9,
As you can see there is nothing I can say or do to make you feel better. Not even a cheesy and corny teddy bear love joke to uplift your mood worked.

You are responsible for your own raising of vibration. No one can do it for you.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Is that in any way appreciably different than a soul having an alien existence?


What ultimately matters is that I am a soul having a human experience. A cell of God, if you will.

[Wind]

Is that in any way appreciably different than a soul having an alien existence?

Good question. Maybe it depends on your viewpoint.

I feel that I am an alien... Here on Earth!

[9eagle9]

AH....well that is the most honest answer I have recieved so far.

It is dependant on one's perception and feelings.

Not neccessarily demonstrable off planet or non human expression.

This is what everyone gets so fraught about..an idea?

[songsfortheotherkind]

songsfortheotherkind,

I have seen many people are infested with some dark shadow energy parasite from another dimension that influences peoples minds and feed of their frustration or negative energy. I have experienced they jumped on me and attacked me, if I helped other people close the weak spots they had, where the parasite had attached themselves, I would experience half sleep/awake and be paralyzed at night and feel them around me or flying around or I would wrestle with them.

I was not scared of them.

It does not happen any more.

The key is to raise the vibration. They can only feed off people with low vibration.

Is that the virus?

I can only tell you how it is for me from the universe I inhabit as a sui generis Being.

The virus is not from another dimension, nor are the expressions of it- it's been quarantined here for eons, the issue is purely local; the makers never had the power to take it anywhere else, they still don't. The universe beyond this localised event is far more together than the energies here would like it to be known.

The virus, like all things, is both master and mirror- it's a servant that brings all the dross to the surface and reveals what's there, which is the purpose of every intimate relationship, even the ones that look like nuclear explosions because sometimes we don't like to see what we're being shown. :)

You have figured out that it's a reflection. I went through the wrestling phase and while that's effective to a degree the *real* power lies in the Obi-Wan trick of holding one's lightsabre to one's chest and letting it swing away, knowing that there's something far bigger to be accessed. I'm at that place now, embracing the virus within me with open arms and heart, not refusing its lessons about me and what I believe inside on many levels, embrace the shadow in me in as powerful a way I can manifest it. I am living in expansion, and breathe into more expansion, bring in the willingness in every moment.

It absolutely feeds and stalks those whose vibrations are low, because that is its domain. If you travel out beyond the quarantine zone you know that the universe, the multiverse, does not operate on the parameters of the virus, it is absolute sui generis- I've written about this around here on the forum in other places, that personally I disregard any message that comes from sources describing themselves in any way as hierarchical. Hierarchies are the product of the virus and I have zero interest in them, there are so many better visions and ways of Being. Saying so openly upsets those whose personal parameters require hierarchies and control mechanisms, because they generally cannot tell the difference between a sui generis, unloaded singularity expression and an attempt to control their world. I've made the personal decision to cease dealing with triggered individuals who cannot hold themselves in their sui generis- there are worlds of difference between interacting with an individual who only knows how to go into attack mode, and one who can view the virus machinations within them from a distance and engage in mutual virus hacking in the moment. I'm only interested in the latter, those who understand that all the expressions currently dominant in this culture are virus based and who are focused on shifting that.

It interests me, the issues that come to the surface with 'other'- personally I do not use the 'alien' word, nor am I interested in race, species etc- in a sui generis universe there are only unique Beings, singularities within the All, expressing their unique signal and frequency. It's a perspective that drives many bonkers with contradiction, triggering all the virus inspired categorisations. I've written about it in other threads I've started, if you're curious, both my perspective and my observations. I have come to equate the attacks as the same as those who would use the derogatory arguments about my intelligence, insisting that because I can use bigger words than they, can hold more concepts in my mental space than they, can move faster intellectually and conceptually than they, then I obviously must be considering my Self superior to them, I must be arrogant and be harbouring snide ill will towards them. I discovered that no amount of sincere and openhearted explanation would satisfy them- the only thing that is acceptable is to drop all my sui generis, bleed away my power and become like them, walk and talk and move and cease thinking, just like them. They're simply agents for the virus to me these days, so I choose not to go there- it's a trap. There is no comforting those who have an utterly distorted sense of things, because the only thing that brings comfort is to reflect an utter distortion back to them. I went down that road for years, I'm not interested in that any more. I do not ascribe to the notion that anyone is here to 'save' any from themselves, I do not base my life on the goal of global ascension, I don't look for it.

You write elsewhere of unconditional love. I've written about that somewhere else- it's not a concept I understand. I get sui generis, which is a different thing- is this what you are referring to when you describe unconditional love? If you'd like to have that conversation I'd be happy to continue it, just not in this thread. :)

I also use homo sapiens to generically describe the physical avatar type, and humanity to describe the collective expression of the dominant paradigm virus creation. :)

There are actually no 'pure' homo sapiens anymore- they were destroyed in the early iterations. Now everything is simply degree of hybridisation... :)

[songsfortheotherkind]

Good question. Maybe it depends on your viewpoint.

I feel that I am an alien... Here on Earth!

*grins at you*

What is the difference between feeling and knowing? I feel, I know and I have had enough experiences, past and current, to align with that feeling and knowing; however, am I the creation or the creator? Am I remembering, or actually creating in the moment, or am I drawing the future into the moment? Or am I creation, creator and cauldron, and doing all things- remembering, creating and drawing in, all at once?

Which universe would you like to have? I know the one I'm personally bringing into Being. Does my declaration of knowing change anything? Am I concerned about that? :D

[Neptun]

songsfortheotherkind,

Those that attack what they do not understand or wish to understand, do it because of fear. They defend the close mindedness with ridicule and don't want to change their minds. They fear of being a weirdo others will ridicule, because they are different from the rest of society, so many people pretend to be normal to fit in with the rest of the so called normal.

It is like Plato's cave:
d2afuTvUzBQ

Reality is what we see, hear and agree on. When people have different realities they argue and yet they can be open to a reality very different than what is considered normal, but they will often keep it to themselves, to avoid conflicts(arguing about reality).

This is Bashar that is an ET communicating via a human:
9VIQk1yFCjU

Many of those with a closed mind will use their so called logic like, if ETs are real, they would have landed in one of the major cities and since it has not happened, they are not real and those claiming ETs are real, will be ridiculed.

Unconditional love is what everything is.

[9eagle9]

and there's those who know programs when they see them.

[mind-scape]

I AM A SPACE BANANA. :ufo:

[Carmody]

Still one of the best ever:

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/trapped.png

http://xkcd.com/266/

[Rogerc]

I have this fascination with Mars. It feels like home to me. From what alien race would that make me?

Martian?..:tape:

[another bob]

I AM A SPACE BANANA. :ufo:

http://i40.tinypic.com/2qmqnpl.jpg

[mind-scape]

Exactly, Another Bob!

Now BEHOLD. THE MAJESTIC SPACE BANANA.

http://www.blogography.com/photos13/B3Cosmic.jpg


EDIT:
...ahaha...
Ok, so it only appears to us sometimes. :p

[another bob]

Exactly, Another Bob!

Now BEHOLD. THE MAJESTIC SPACE BANANA.

http://www.blogography.com/photos13/B3Cosmic.jpg


http://i42.tinypic.com/acu6f9.gif

[StarDust]

The answer is available if you are willing to ask. Eternal_One is offering free readings. All you have to do is ask politely. Click on the following thread to read more…

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36759-Are-you-a-Starseed-Wanderer-Indigo-I-Calibrate-your-Real-Planetary-Origin

As for myself, thanks to Eternal_One for the final confirmation; however, I originate from Sirius B - A social collective of etheric beings. The "clues" had been provided to me over the years from asking and it took some time to put the pieces together. But once I did, it resonated very strongly. Of course, this is primarily trivial from my perspective. What is of major importance is being here NOW and helping with the ascension process for the planet and all its inhabitants.

[songsfortheotherkind]

This is Bashar that is an ET communicating via a human:
9VIQk1yFCjU

I am not intending to inhabit the future realm of which he speaks, because he's speaking to those paradigms that are still caught in the virus. I'm aiming for the frequency that does not contain the virus, because I've experienced it and know it: with the nature of the multiverse and its Prussian doll arrangement, it is familiar to me that it's possible for certain Beings to move between worlds while others are held in their own domains by their own signals. I have no issue whatsoever with the multiple perspectives of multiple realities- I just have no interest in being a part of the future this individual is talking about. I'm up for sui generis and do no harm; I'm interested in the frequency and individuals that hold that frequency as their base line. The idea of another iteration is simply intolerable, and fortunately it's not my path: I know that the homo sapiens that are distilling themselves into their own evolutionary path will have a long, looooooooooong row to hoe.


Many of those with a closed mind will use their so called logic like, if ETs are real, they would have landed in one of the major cities and since it has not happened, they are not real and those claiming ETs are real, will be ridiculed.

As I've said elsewhere, homo sapiens have issues with those within their own physical range that manifest different parameters of skin color, weight, comprehension, ability, 'race'- sure, let's all land in a major city, what a fantastic idea!! Now, let's watch the nuclear and biochemical weapons fly!! As Homer Simpson would say, d'oh! And really, as if it hasn't been tried before. It didn't go well *then* either. Some of the responses to our discussion here have indicated some of the same biases and prejudices as have existed for eons towards anything not understood or threatening to the paradigm. I'm neither surprised or bothered by it any more.


Unconditional love is what everything is.

*shakes head* This is meaningless to me. Is it possible to discover a mutually understandable platform?

[jorr lundstrom]

Neptun wrote: Unconditional love is what everything is.

Unconditional is also a condition. In disquise. LOL


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[9eagle9]

The programs that people adopt certainly have converted it in that direction. A leverage device.

I'm never more impressed when I see folks asking to be told who they are.

Our government does that too.


Neptun wrote: Unconditional love is what everything is.

Unconditional is also a condition. In disquise. LOL


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[Neptun]

songsfortheotherkind,

Is it correctly understood the Virus is the disharmony of the pure frequency and the Virus is important for the expansion of the consciousness? without disharmony there would not be any expansion.

What about Abraham Hicks. I consider them a more pure frequency than Bashar:

HtshW4ECKrQ

[Carmody]

*shakes head* This is meaningless to me. Is it possible to discover a mutually understandable platform?

Thankfully...no.

7 billion local versions of concurrent individualization.

7 billion individually realized names, shapes and directions.... of god.

the only thing that is universal is the path of individuation itself.

And woe be to the doorknob who tries to force it to be all under one roof.

herding cats would be a far easier task.

[Debra]

AB,
You dun it again! Nailed it. I like your reference to the ''endless array of neural costumery''

I used to say to students who would say they are not creative beings .. but you are, look what you have created .. you are an ever changing installation, a morphing piece of art, in and of itself.
True Bob? :)

And the notion of where ''anywhere'' is. Past incarnations are just a part of that evolving, self creating art work. I think I have performed myself into existence multiple times, most likely in galaxies far far away but mostly I think I have been working the theatres here on earth ;)

But right now, I am more interested in catching up with my gorgeous soul, who is the real me. So for me, as you say AB, anywhere is kind of not so important in the bigger verse of things. What is important is now. In this moment, that is important. And just maybe I can let go enough to see what remains.





I used to assume that I was from “somewhere” before awakening to the realization that I didn’t know where “anywhere” was. This recognition was like the proverbial pebble in the pond, whose ripples continue to reveal that this “not knowing” actually applies to everything.

Imagine, for example, the feeling of being when trying to grasp something. Then imagine the feeling of being when relieved of all such effort. It’s the same with memory. Let it go.

Garbed in an endless array of neural costumery, memory is an organizing principle for consciousness to reflect a sense of enduring individuation in its path towards self-awareness -- racing with the moon on Saturday Night, praising the Lord Sunday Morning.

All conceptual categories are memory-based data retrieval programs fabricated by consciousness to support and maintain a streaming interpretive scheme of personal continuity in the face of incomprehensible chaos (the unknown source of itself), and so navigate the dependently originating objective world as if it were concrete, permanent, substantial, and real.

Memory requires a frame of reference. However, without resort to memory, what reference is there to frame? This is all an engaging bother, ordinary enough in its compounded confusion, but one has to find out for oneself that there is another option.

It’s just what I said: Let it go. See what remains.


:yo:

[songsfortheotherkind]

*shakes head* This is meaningless to me. Is it possible to discover a mutually understandable platform?

Thankfully...no.

I am in the midst of discovering the exquisite pleasure of being able to reveal my Self and my sui generis, in a variety of different facets, with a number of beautiful, wonderful Beings. One of the elements that has made this possible is a platform of perspective that allows us both enough connectivity to join together and enough slidey for us to all be exactly who we are. Having a foundation to communicate from is only constrictive if the foundation is constrictive. I am utterly aware of the sui generis of 7 billion unique perspectives; what I am interested in is the platforms that allow the co-creation to happen in a more conscious and intentional way. Try building a bridge together with no foundational perspective and platform for communicating ideas.

[Neptun]

songsfortheotherkind

I'm starting to understand, what you mean with the virus. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

The virus is a wrong mindset that limits instead of expands consciousness. Everything is energy, when we have strong intent and focus, we change reality, manifest things etc. because we are like a radio transmitter and can change vibration. The key is to have an open mind, instead of believe reality is what is. Reality is only a manifestation of our mindset/ideas what we all agree on.

Fx. we all agree, we age over time, but it's a virus thought. The moment we strongly believe age is an illusion, we can change our age.

Reality is based on what we hear, see and agree on. When we agree on the wrong things, it will limit consciousness and is therefore the virus. The dark ones wants us to be infected with the mind virus, because it gives them the illusion of power over us. Their power is basically, that they have convinced us via what we see, hear and agree on, that we are powerless beings, that are dumb as dirt.

The moment we discover, that we simple have to change the mindset or idea of how things should be like, we will manifest it(making us Gods).

We will have to practice and probably start with some easy excises to learn how to change how we think and when we can do that, reality will change.

Is it correctly understood?

Free our minds!

Hidden in plain site:


Spoon boy: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth.
Neo: What truth?
Spoon boy: There is no spoon.
Neo: There is no spoon?
Spoon boy: Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.

http://paradoxofmatrix.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/spoon.jpg

[another bob]

AB,
You dun it again! Nailed it. I like your reference to the ''endless array of neural costumery''

I used to say to students who would say they are not creative beings .. but you are, look what you have created .. you are an ever changing installation, a morphing piece of art, in and of itself.
True Bob? :)


Yep!


And the notion of where ''anywhere'' is. Past incarnations are just a part of that evolving, self creating art work. I think I have performed myself into existence multiple times, most likely in galaxies far far away but mostly I think I have been working the theatres here on earth ;)

But right now, I am more interested in catching up with my gorgeous soul, who is the real me. So for me, as you say AB, anywhere is kind of not so important in the bigger verse of things. What is important is now. In this moment, that is important. And just maybe I can let go enough to see what remains.

Inquiring a bit further . . .


No one knows the reason for any of this – why even make it a question?

Death doesn't. The unleashed wonder of that moment is sufficient to still any speculation. This is not a metaphor -- it will be the same door opening inward that once opened out.

I am that swinging door, not knowing in from out, death from life, me from you. What is surrender? The surrender that can be done is not true surrender. Who surrenders to what? Who surrenders what?

What do I possess -- what is mine -- that I can really let go of? Where can I find any portion of myself that is ever divisible from itself, except in hallucinations of self and other?

My desire to surrender is not mine, my hopes and dreams are not even mine, my living, loving, dying is not mine, nor is any surrender mine. Being nothing myself, I am already everything. To whom shall I surrender?

I do not rise in the morning by my own will, nor do I sleep by my own power. What appears before me as world and other is never at any distance from myself, and so on what altar shall I place this pretense of submission?

Even the motive to surrender at last must be seen as arising from some subtle sense of separation. What has been given, what received, other than oneself?

The one who would surrender is the one who keeps surrender out of reach.

In the midst of the stream, I, water, bend to cup water, then offer it back to the river. The river itself flows on and on, mindless of my feeble gestures, my fantasies of surrender.

[songsfortheotherkind]

songsfortheotherkind

I'm starting to understand, what you mean with the virus. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

The virus is a wrong mindset that limits instead of expands consciousness.

The virus is not 'wrong'. It is ultimately a mirror of what is, from micro to macro; from individual to community, local or global. The virus shows us what our realities are while manufacturing those realities because we refuse to create our own. The difference in those two words- manufacture and create- demonstrates the difference between virus and cosmic signal of the All- the virus is the cheap factory knockoff, the mass produced once size fits all badly, the built in expiry date designed to ensure constant demand, while the cosmic signal is that of the loving, artfully, skillfully created handmade piece, rich with the embodied purpose, intent and energy of its creator, radiating energy into every soft touch of the reverent admirer.

The virus is an intentionally created tool for manipulation and control that has, like all successful viruses, learned to adapt and grow. It exists to show the individual what they are prepared to settle for, what they are truly prepared to create, be it in richness or in scarcity; it has arisen from the desire to dominate and control energy down into restriction and malnutrition and from a willingness to be dominated and restricted, to accept the shoddy factory made goods for the sake of cheap convenience and the illusion of affluence, to sell one's great spiritual birthright as a creator for a handful of beans and a string of beads. The virus will dissolve and finally cease to exist when the conditions within the Being no longer support it.


Everything is energy, when we have strong intent and focus, we change reality, manifest things etc. because we are like a radio transmitter and can change vibration. The key is to have an open mind, instead of believe reality is what is. Reality is only a manifestation of our mindset/ideas what we all agree on. Intention, purpose, focus, cohesion, expansion- these are the foundations of the vibration of a creator. There is no moral judgement in there, you may notice; the energy does not judge, it simply responds to focus, intention, purpose, cohesion and expansion, which is why so many low vibration Beings can dominate the global landscape in terms of politics, religion, science etc- it is not because they are enlightened, it is because they are able to bring a sufficient enough degree of focus, fixedness, to their actions. Integrity and consciousness are two elements that determine what kind of expression the focus is going to have.


Fx. we all agree, we age over time, but it's a virus thought. The moment we strongly believe age is an illusion, we can change our age.

Yes. Bodies are remarkably plastic in their ability to morph and change to reflect the reality of the individual. Death is indeed not the situation for many Beings in the multiverse because their sui generis and platforms find it irrelevant. Only those Beings that can no longer evolve in any significant way require death as a reset. The belief systems around this are crucial and need to be deeply encoded in the body in order for the reversal to happen. It's all absolutely about belief, deep and absolute knowing.


Reality is based on what we hear, see and agree on. When we agree on the wrong things, it will limit consciousness and is therefore the virus.

Anything that seeks to dominate, to create hierarchy, to subdue, suppress, to control, to decree, to create systems rather than sui generis expression, to subvert, distort, manipulate- these are the virus in action. Until we can hold our sui generis as absolute, and the sui generis of all other Beings as also absolute (within the framework of 'do no harm'), to the degree that we are not expressing this is the degree of virus that is still at work in us.


The dark ones wants us to be infected with the mind virus, because it gives them the illusion of power over us. Their power is basically, that they have convinced us via what we see, hear and agree on, that we are powerless beings, that are dumb as dirt.

While we continue to do the 'us and them' story, they will have force over us; once we embrace the spiritual nature of the global story that is being played out around the globe we can release these Beings from the necessity of having to be our mirrors. We need to release all debt that we hold against others- this is why the financial situation is the way it is, because collectively the individuals will not release each other from the debt that they hold against one another- this one looked at me the wrong way, that one didn't give me the love and appreciation I feel I deserve and so they *owe* me; the world is full of individual accountants walking around with their balance sheets, holding them up to one another and demanding payment while vigorously denying that they themselves owe anyone anything at all.

While this imbalance exits, this resistance to releasing the debts that we're insisting others owe us while refusing to honor the debts others are impugning to us, there will simply be more fertile ground for the virus to emerge into, the stories of lack, domination, control, 'justice' that is nothing more than revenge wrapped up in nicer packaging- the virus will simply reseed and grow again, like it has before.


The moment we discover, that we simple have to change the mindset or idea of how things should be like, we will manifest it(making us Gods).

Well, the true Creators that I am associated with have subzero interest in the concept of gods- personally I am more comfortable with the concept of Creators, and yes, shedding all the stories and embracing our innate power (as opposed to the force that is palmed off as power) is the path to Creator.


We will have to practice and probably start with some easy excises to learn how to change how we think and when we can do that, reality will change.

Reality is in constant flux, a fluid multistate that we can choose depending on what we wish to experience in that moment. :) Nurturing fluidity of mind and interface between Self and the physical avatar we've created is the foundation of reality and virus hacking. :)


Is it correctly understood?

It entirely depends on which multiverse you're looking to ride- it's a great start to riding a *much* more interesting 'Verse than this current paradigm. :D

[another bob]

The virus is not 'wrong'. It is ultimately a mirror of what is, from micro to macro; from individual to community, local or global. The virus shows us what our realities are while manufacturing those realities because we refuse to create our own. The difference in those two words- manufacture and create- demonstrates the difference between virus and cosmic signal of the All- the virus is the cheap factory knockoff, the mass produced once size fits all badly, the built in expiry date designed to ensure constant demand, while the cosmic signal is that of the loving, artfully, skillfully created handmade piece, rich with the embodied purpose, intent and energy of its creator, radiating energy into every soft touch of the reverent admirer.

The virus is an intentionally created tool for manipulation and control that has, like all successful viruses, learned to adapt and grow. It exists to show the individual what they are prepared to settle for, what they are truly prepared to create, be it in richness or in scarcity; it has arisen from the desire to dominate and control energy down into restriction and malnutrition and from a willingness to be dominated and restricted, to accept the shoddy factory made goods for the sake of cheap convenience and the illusion of affluence, to sell one's great spiritual birthright as a creator for a handful of beans and a string of beads. The virus will dissolve and finally cease to exist when the conditions within the Being no longer support it.

Brilliant insights . . . if enough folks were to sincerely consider the implications of what you have sketched out here, there would be a major shift in consciousness.

:yo:

[Neptun]

songsfortheotherkind,
I'm impressed with your answer or should I say, impressed with my ability to understand your wise words.

[songsfortheotherkind]

songsfortheotherkind,

Is it correctly understood the Virus is the disharmony of the pure frequency and the Virus is important for the expansion of the consciousness? without disharmony there would not be any expansion.

Exactly. :) In the multiverse I inhabit, all evolution is the birthing 'new' that the old paradigm experiences as disruptive, chaotic, challenging, frightening and disorder if an inability to embrace evolution is an inbuilt element of the old paradigm. For those Beings who embrace evolution, the emergence of the new signal is experienced with joy and enthusiasm, unafraid of the shift within and without, welcoming the experience with expansion.

When I say 'expansion', I'm talking about something that is both energetic and physical in its expression and experience- it's a conscious widening out of the Self, as if pushing from within the core of the body and out into the auric field, while consciously releasing any constriction patterns detected in any layer of Being. Anything that asks or demands of us resistance is asking us to respond in a way that leaves fertile ground for the virus; resistance breeds resistance (penicillin, politics, relationships, energies)- emotional and psychic aikido is what I choose to embrace- I save the hard forms for preventing actual harm.

Expansion is breathing the All in with each inbreath and releasing the virus and its constrictions with the outbreath. I decline to engage in the fear mechanisms, I will not read or watch those things that scream about an issue but offer no response. I am aware that there are those who think getting involved in the noise is the best action; I respect their sui generis path enough to not argue with them and it's personally not the path I take. I want to be the Neo of my own 'Verse, I want to embrace the slide, slip between the membranes and move through a fluid multiverse that dances and calls to the creator in me. What I currently observe is a fever pitch of noise clamouring to drag the individual back into the square, keep them running around in new and improved cages, keep them caught up in external processes and focus on 'out there'- anything to keep the individual away from the power and knowing of their own vast Self, the stored potential and power of the heart of a star. The virus knows it would take so few Beings who can truly hold the signal for all its machinations and illusions to come tumbling down.

It's what I know. It's why sui generis and evolution is the conversation I'm interested in: I've been hacking and embracing the virus all my life and this is what I've come to- expansion, consciousness and a willingness to embrace within us the very things we loathe in others is the path to falling upwards into greater coalescence.


What about Abraham Hicks. I consider them a more pure frequency than Bashar:

I have at different times found beauty and resonance in what Abraham speaks of. It is sui generis 101, more often than not, although the signal does contain its own opportunities for evolution. All useful signals do. :)

[songsfortheotherkind]

songsfortheotherkind,
I'm impressed with your answer or should I say, impressed with my ability to understand your wise words.

You are asking more interesting questions, which is always an excellent path to more interesting realities. *grinning*

I am interested in what works. What I talk about is what I have experienced as a platform of transformation on a profound level- I figure, if we're going to evolve, we may as well do it in a really profound way. :D

[another bob]

Anything that asks or demands of us resistance is asking us to respond in a way that leaves fertile ground for the virus; resistance breeds resistance (penicillin, politics, relationships, energies)- emotional and psychic aikido is what I choose to embrace- I save the hard forms for preventing actual harm.


Resistance creates a sense of time that’s first implied by a sense of self which is subject to a dream called time that the self finds irresistible.

This seems to both rhyme and confuse itself, eventually consuming itself.

Standing in this windless moonshine, one can feel just like oneself.

What that is, neither resistance nor its lack can account for.

Just allow it to kiss you back.

It always does, regardless of any resistance.

Cause might be debated, but effect is felt in a quite specific way by everything everywhere –
the primordial cause of anything anywhere.

Even the concept of infinity cannot account for what is –
it’s so much simpler than that!

When resistance arises to this, pause for a moment and inquire:

“To what . . .”

Even a sharp sword is to no avail when one is battling their own shadow.

Without resistance, let’s enjoy the magnificent view tonight from this Cold Mountain:

the luxurious splendor of a full moon sliding, playing hide and seek with storm clouds,
appearing when we look its way, vanishing when we don’t.

Who could resist such a marvelous moon –

light that just wants to play with us,
to outshine our resistance?

[songsfortheotherkind]

Brilliant insights . . . if enough folks were to sincerely consider the implications of what you have sketched out here, there would be a major shift in consciousness.
:yo:

You know what I am- when would I ever be up for anything other than a major shift in anything, *especially* evolution? *grins at you, flicking pointy ears*

The more I immerse my Self in sui generis, the more riches it unfolds and flows around me. Such a simple concept, such depths and resonances- just the sort of game I like, unpacking my Selves like Prussian dolls, all of us dancing to the same wild and exhilarating beat. :)

Here's to those of the creation that are embracing this next evolution in all its manifestations- especially those wearing super funky glasses. *laughing*

[Neptun]

songsfortheotherkind,

I love it. You are a being that has been hacking the virus all your life.

Is it correct, that the key to win the battle is to find the pure energy and hold it for a long enough time and embrace the virus and accept it's a mirror of all of us and it only take few of us, to make it happen?

If this is the case, we could do it!

[another bob]

The more I immerse my Self in sui generis, the more riches it unfolds and flows around me. Such a simple concept, such depths and resonances- just the sort of game I like, unpacking my Selves like Prussian dolls, all of us dancing to the same wild and exhilarating beat. :)


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[songsfortheotherkind]

songsfortheotherkind,

I love it. You are a being that has been hacking the virus all your life.

Is it correct, that the key to win the battle is to find the pure energy and hold it for a long enough time and embrace the virus and accept it is a mirror of all of us and it only take few of us to make it happen?

If this is the case, we could do it!

Part of the expression is in seeing it not as a battle- battle creates the energy of resistance, which creates something to resist, which inspires resistance; this is why I talk of the dance, the open arms and the deep knowing that we are the only ones that can ever release our shadow Self from the suffering of the cage because we're the ones that put us there.

http://taksuyoga.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/HathaFlow.jpg

When I embrace the knowing that I am both the cause of my suffering and the only one that can free me, I no longer need any other Being to be anything other than exactly who they are and wish to express. I don't need anyone to change, agree with me, embrace what I experience to be relevant for my Self and my own evolution; I don't need homogeny in any of its expressions, because the creative power is connected to every Being in connection to the full expression of the sui generis. You can be exactly you, I can be exactly me, and the signal of our individual cohesion dancing together in co-creation blows the doors off anything dissonance can come up with. :D

It's this understanding- that a relatively few, capable of holding their sui generis signal in cohesion, intention and integrity, can bring the house of cards tumbling down, not with resistance and revolution, but with the dance that is the expansion...

[songsfortheotherkind]

When resistance arises to this, pause for a moment and inquire:

“To what . . .”

Even a sharp sword is to no avail when one is battling their own shadow.

This, this- if Beings were to truly embrace this, all war, all conflict, would cease. It's why I stopped the fighting- I looked at my battered and bleeding opponent and saw my own face, my own wounded Self from so long ago, still valiantly struggling to defend her Self against the attacker. I dropped my swords and dropped to my knees, sitting with open arms while she killed me, again and again- I understood her pain, her grief, her loss and her betrayal at my own hands and I was willing to endure her wrath again and again until it spent itself and she could lay down and be held. I sat there in that place for an endless time, her head resting on my legs as I stroked her hair, until finally she looked up and held my gaze and we simply released each other from the debt of pain and loss, revenge and grief. I held her hand and she held mine; we moved across the distance between us that was no distance and embraced into one another.

http://www.loupiote.com/burningman/photos_m/5170724697-two-women-dancing-cylindrical-wooden-frame-burning.jpg

A thousand Beings within my skin- I get to do this process again and again, knowing that as I clear the war and the illusion of conflict within me, I clear the virus and signal.


Who could resist such a marvelous moon –

light that just wants to play with us,
to outshine our resistance?

*laughing* Moon is my last name...

and outshine our resistance. So beautiful.

[161803398]

I don't believe one needs to love humanity in order to save it. I try to protect and save things that I do not love all the time; its simply in my nature to do that. I know that at any moment I would risk my life to save humanity simply because I know the black box that is me. But if you asked me; I'd say I'd rather cast pearls before a beautiful pig or a nice dog than a human because I love them more. Or maybe, love is not a feeling at all; but an action.

I have never believed I was a human although I am sure I am. But no one can know anything with absolute certainty. I'm from a bright place wherever that is. The word "alien" is a bit insulting to visitors in any event.

[another bob]

It's why I stopped the fighting- I looked at my battered and bleeding opponent and saw my own face, my own wounded Self from so long ago, still valiantly struggling to defend her Self against the attacker. I dropped my swords and dropped to my knees, sitting with open arms while she killed me, again and again- I understood her pain, her grief, her loss and her betrayal at my own hands and I was willing to endure her wrath again and again until it spent itself and she could lay down and be held. I sat there in that place for an endless time, her head resting on my legs as I stroked her hair, until finally she looked up and held my gaze and we simply released each other from the debt of pain and loss, revenge and grief. I held her hand and she held mine; we moved across the distance between us that was no distance and embraced into one another.


Ali In Battle -- Rumi

"Learn from Ali how to fight
without your ego participating.

God's Lion did nothing
that didn't originate
from his deep center.

Once in a battle he got the best of a certain knight
and quickly drew his sword. The man,
helpless on the ground, spat
in Ali's face. Ali dropped his sword,
relaxed, and helped the man to his feet.

"Why have you spared me?
How has lightening contracted back
into its cloud? Speak, my prince,
so that my soul can begin to stir
in me like an embryo."

Ali was quiet and then finally answered,
"I am God's Lion, not the lion of passion.
The sun is my lord. I have no longing
except for the One.

When a wind of personal reaction comes,
I do not go along with it.

There are many winds full of anger,
and lust and greed. They move the rubbish
around, but the solid mountain of our true nature
stays where it's always been.

There's nothing now
except the divine qualities.
Come through the opening into me.

Your impudence was better than any reverence,
because in this moment I am you and you are me.

I give you this opened heart as God gives gifts:
the poison of your spit has become
the honey of friendship."

~Rumi and Barks



I have come into this world to see this:
the sword drop from men's hands
even at the height of
their arc of rage
because we have finally realized
there is just one flesh
we can wound.


~Hafiz

[Neptun]

songsfortheotherkind

Got it! Everything we hate or feel angry about, is a mirror of our own weakness.

As Sun Tzu said in the Art of war.

When you know yourself and know the "enemy" you can win 100 battles or more.

I discovered when I looked into the abyss and logged on to the Elite's mindset that is like a Luciferian mindset(Virus), they hate all that is not in harmony, because it remind them of their own unharmony and they respect those that are seeking harmony. They see the manipulated public, as a cancer and want to treat the cancer as doctors do.

Basically they are our own weakness and when we embrace them and love them, we have learned the lesion they are teaching us. They tell us about our weakness and what we should focus on to become stronger.

A Rothschild said to me:
("testers"the elite)

"The biggest question that humanity has to answer for itself is "Are we cancer or are we medicine?", and not "Where is God?" So far we share more with cancer cells, we're programmed to proliferate and destroy our host (earth). So maybe that little group of "testers" is just functioning as medicine?"

I was asked, if I could love them too. What i answered yes. They are a mirror of humanity and part of us.They represent the side of us, we don't like about our selves. Our own weakness.

This you are saying was also in Star Wars:
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[songsfortheotherkind]

I don't believe one needs to love humanity in order to save it.

Personally I have no interest in saving humanity. It is not something I think about or resonate with at all. I have learned that the idea of saving anyone is an impossible and enabling perspective in my 'Verse. I have no desire to spill my Self out like a sacrifice for those who have learned little from the myriads of sacrifices that have been made before. If humanity needs to be 'saved' in order to keep going, it's better off going somewhere else and working its stuff out there.

'Alien' is indeed insulting, from my perspective. :)


Or maybe, love is not a feeling at all; but an action.

Yes, this is how I see this word too- a verb. Love without action is empty.

[songsfortheotherkind]

songsfortheotherkind

Got it! Everything we hate or feel angry about, is a mirror of our own weakness.

I don't see it as weakness, it's the point of my next evolution. :)


I discovered when I looked into the abyss and logged on to the Elite's mindset that is like a Luciferian mindset(Virus)

/headtilt/ What are you calling a Luciferian mindset? You are equating Luciferian with virus? If it wasn't for the Lucifer uprising, homo sapiens wouldn't exist.


they hate all that is not in harmony, because it remind them of their own unharmony and they respect those that are seeking harmony. They see the manipulated public, as a cancer and want to treat the cancer as doctors do.

Interesting- so they create the cancer and then despise it? It would appear the Anunnaki haven't changed much then...


Basically they are our own weakness and when we embrace them and love them, we have learned the lesion they are teaching us. They tell us about our weakness and what we should focus on to become stronger.

They are absolutely the shadow and they are more- they did, after all, come here to evolve themselves. It's a dance of extreme intertwining.


A Rothschild said to me:
("testers"the elite)

"The biggest question that humanity has to answer for itself is "Are we cancer or are we medicine?", and not "Where is God?" So far we share more with cancer cells, we're programmed to proliferate and destroy our host (earth). So maybe that little group of "testers" is just functioning as medicine?"

I was asked, if I could love them too. What i answered yes. They are a mirror of humanity and part of us.They represent the side of us, we don't like about our selves. Our own weakness.

In the memories I came through with, after the Lilit/Anun rebellion things changed dramatically. I too have been asked if I could love them, despite my history at their hands- it turned out that the release of many was dependent on my answer although I didn't know that at the time. I live by my willingness to forgive the debt and I chose the same on this occasion, which led to a mystical and stunningly beautiful outcome. There is, in my personal experience, vast differences between the last of the dying race and the Anun hybrids that were branded as fallen.

I am deeply interested in your different experience of the ancient makers. Would you care to move this aspect of the discussion to a different thread or is it good here? As one who has remembered this ancient story since childhood, I would like to discuss the spiritual arc that it is.


This you are saying was also in Star Wars:

All the great art and stories contain kernels of truth. It's how the signal of the evolution carries through despite the great efforts to strangle it. :)

[161803398]

Personally I have no interest in saving humanity.

I dont either. That's why I find it strange that its part of my personal "black box". oh well.

Another perspective on hate: A very competent individual told me if he hated someone it was a compliment.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Personally I have no interest in saving humanity.

I dont either. That's why I find it strange that its part of my personal "black box". oh well.

Another perspective on hate: A very competent individual told me if he hated someone it was a compliment.

*nodding* Love, hate, different sides of the same coin- it ties an individual equally to whatever the object of their desire is, and hate is as powerful a desire as love. The true opposite of love is absolute indifference, as I see it.

As for your black box, I was agreeing with you. :) I got screwed over for years as a child because different groups that my mother belonged to had decided I was some kind of messenger of 'god' because of what I could do- these days it's much much easier to get along without the weight of homo sapiens hanging over my shoulder. Things got even better when I exorcised the god. :D