Exposed Disinfo/Strafor Double Agent Alex Jones cancels Speaking Tour.

[DreamsInDigital]

After being told in the past that Alex Jones was/is an Disifo Agent his heavy dose of consistently dark/negative doom and gloom that he dishes out, I wasn't surprised. When my friend sent me this. It's from February so might be old news for some.

Alex Jones Cancels Speaking Tour 3 Days After Exposure As Possible STRATFOR Double Agent.

February 16, 2012
Truther.org

Alex Jones cancels American speaking tour after revelations that he may be working for Israeli intelligence agency STRATFOR.

On February 12, 2012, David Chase Taylor of Truther.org broke the story that Alex Jones was likely an intelligence tool for STRATFOR, a private Zionist intelligence agency located in Austin, Texas. As detailed in the original article (see below), STRATFOR admits to being an intelligence gathering center and therefore it stands to reason that Alex Jones and his affiliates of Inforwars and PrisonPlanet have likely been gathering intelligence, data and info on patriotic Americans since 1996, coincidently the exact same year that STRATFOR was founded.

“You don’t know who’s good or bad until you get to that crisis point.” ~Alex Jones, October 14, 2011

Just three days after Taylor’s original article entitled “Is Alex Jones A STRATFOR Double Agent?” was published, Alex Jones abruptly canceled his nationwide speaking tour without a reason except that “the collapse is so imminent”. Jones went on to attack the links between himself and STRATFOR by stating that he started his radio broadcast in 1995 and that was indeed self-made.

On the February 15, 2012, edition of the Alex Jones Show, Jones stated that HE WILL attend the first two scheduled speaking tour dates in Dallas, Texas, on Sunday, February 19, 2012 (7:00 PM) and in Orlando, Florida, on Sunday, February 26, 2012 (7:00 PM), but that HE WILL NOT be traveling and speaking throughout America as previously planned.

Clearly Jones has been made as a traitorous spy and is running scared. Revelation of Jones’ ties to Israeli intelligence should come as no surprise since Jones has not and will not reveal the true Zionist control of America.

Article continues here. (http://truthernews.wordpress.com/2012/02/16/alex-jones-cancels-speaking-tour-after-exposure-as-stratfor-double-agent/)

[dreamer]

Oh man, jackovesk will NOT be happy with this.. look out.

[13th Warrior]

DreamsInDigital,

You never cease to amaze me...

[BlueGem]

You have to hand it to them, he was good at what he did. He had garnered a decent following within alternative news, amassing millions of youtube hits. Being all 'doom and gloom' as you put it, clearly excited a lot of people who were beginning to open up to these matters.

another landmine exposed.

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

That´s what I always say. Media is media, it doesn´t matter if it´s alternative or mainstream.

They are just two faces of the same coin.

They are owned by the same people, who are always giving you the illusion of choice to control and profit from you.

Cheers,

Raf.

[MMA_Fan]

This is a good example of why the conspiracy movement will never achieve anything worthwhile.
Lack of trust.

There is nothing in that article that provides any tangible proof Alex Jones is a spy or whatever, just stupid throwaway comments and loose associations.
Every alternative celeb has had mud slung at them, calling them 'disinfo', 'co-intel' etc. Very sad.

[DreamsInDigital]

Oh man, jackovesk will NOT be happy with this.. look out.
:behindsofa: :biggrin1:

[Curt]

Dreams,

I read through the article you posted, keeping an open mind, and I have to say it reads more like a hit piece than a piece of journalism. It doesn't offer anything like a compelling argument for Jones being a double agent.

It's full of invective, which takes away from its credibility, and the 'facts' used to support the writer's claims aren't convincing; they are made even weaker by the way they're presented.

If Jones is a double agent, this piece doesn't offer any proof of it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A

[Neptun]

All the shills I have run into attack Israel and Alex Jones.

i have spent hours debating them and all they do all day long is to say "Alex Jones works for Israel", "Israel is NWO"

When I ask for proof they give me a list of names and say that is the proof.

They are so pathetic. I don't think they convince that many.

TL5jfu5Yl_k

[PathWalker]

Grow up please.
It is more about the content, and you are mudding here about the style.

Most of the MSM including Alex Jones are controlled by this agenda or that.
What ever you hear/read/view is heavy coated with agenda.

Learn to decipher the grain from the wheat (hope I wrote it correctly), no matter who is the source.
Once you identify the colors/flavours of the source (Alex Jones in this case) you can make your mind.

I would say that most of the smearing and naming is a tactic by TPTW to put you mudding in the true/false mud pool.
Hope you can progress beyond that.

[Endity]

Regardless whether he is a double agent or not there is a clear intent that is not pure with him. His tactics of finding information and spreading it has not changed since the late 90's till now. I have posted many times if you want to find out what kind of reporter and his accuracy watch William Coooper Exposes Alex Jones on youtube. You will see what kind of reporting and how he really gets his information. Hes guilty of attempting to gain popularity at the least which in no way is helpful to others but only to him self.

[Etherios]

He has replied to that many times ... he only did very few pre arranged talks ... he didnt cancel anything.

I have said it many time before ... i prefer the "devil" to give me proper info than an "angel" to give me false hope and misinfo.

its our problem to see through the BS AJ is saying and keep what we can use to get informed.


Even if he is a double agent (which i highly dought it ) he still makes public so much info that it still worth listening to him.

[christian]

Alex only planned to speak on two occasions, there was nothing cancelled.

Listening to his shows in their entirety clearly reveals, that his underlying message is positive. It's about humanity rising, about becoming self-responsible, about being a dencent person, helping others and so on.

If he somehow works for the cabal, it doesn't work out too well for the cabal. The number of people, who started "waking up" to the bigger picture because of Alex is just off the charge and the news he presents is very valuable. Guess what would all be done and implemented by the cabal if there was no media coverage and thus no public awareness/reaction?

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I wrote this right after reading the OP, now I just reiterated what has been replied before :o

[TargeT]

Learn to decipher the grain from the wheat (hope I wrote it correctly), no matter who is the source.
Once you identify the colors/flavours of the source (Alex Jones in this case) you can make your mind.


"to separate the wheat from the chaff"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaff

This article is a soft ball lobbed across the plate for sharpening your discernment skills, IMO if someone "went for this" then they did not give it their full attention or have a preconcived notion of A. Jones & this article was easier to "support" because of that.

I think Jones is a meglomaniac but not a double agent ;)

[DeDukshyn]

Who authored that article? (as in, no one had the balls to claim authorship?) Does anyone have background on "Truther.org"?

[im awake]

alex jones and ron paul work together to bring the troops home(implement martial law) and bring down the fed reserve(for one world currency) all while you think you are aware of whats going on.
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the above post is not my point of view just a possibility i thought about

[DeDukshyn]

alex jones and ron paul work together to bring the troops home(implement martial law) and bring down the fed reserve(for one world currency) all while you think you are aware of whats going on.


the above post is not my point of view just a possibility i thought about
Nothing is impossible -- believe nothing and consider everything. ;)

[TargeT]

alex jones and ron paul work together to bring the troops home(implement martial law) and bring down the fed reserve(for one world currency) all while you think you are aware of whats going on.


the above post is not my point of view just a possibility i thought about
Nothing is impossible -- believe nothing and consider everything. ;)

I'm pretty much convinced Ron Paul is not as he seems, A. Jones may be in the same boat, this (OP) article is not the pin that pops that ballon however....

[DNA]

Alex only planned to speak on two occasions, there was nothing cancelled.

Listening to his shows in their entirety clearly reveals, that his underlying message is positive. It's about humanity rising, about becoming self-responsible, about being a dencent person, helping others and so on.

If he somehow works for the cabal, it doesn't work out too well for the cabal. The number of people, who started "waking up" to the bigger picture because of Alex is just off the charge and the news he presents is very valuable. Guess what would all be done and implemented by the cabal if there was no media coverage and thus no public awareness/reaction?

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I wrote this right after reading the OP, now I just reiterated what has been replied before :o

Thank you Christian.

The folks who want to claim Alex is disinfo are the folks who can't handle the truth.
The folks who hide their head in the sand and would rather believe another Alex is going to save them with positive aliens coming to their rescue.
It's time to man up folks, no one is coming to our rescue.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXoNE14U_zM

[Endity]

Alex only planned to speak on two occasions, there was nothing cancelled.

Listening to his shows in their entirety clearly reveals, that his underlying message is positive. It's about humanity rising, about becoming self-responsible, about being a dencent person, helping others and so on.

If he somehow works for the cabal, it doesn't work out too well for the cabal. The number of people, who started "waking up" to the bigger picture because of Alex is just off the charge and the news he presents is very valuable. Guess what would all be done and implemented by the cabal if there was no media coverage and thus no public awareness/reaction?

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I wrote this right after reading the OP, now I just reiterated what has been replied before :o

Thank you Christian.

The folks who want to claim Alex is disinfo are the folks who can't handle the truth.
The folks who hide their head in the sand and would rather believe another Alex is going to save them with positive aliens coming to their rescue.
It's time to man up folks, no one is coming to our rescue.

Thats an unrealistic claim especially here on PA. Not you, not me, not anyone know what our future beholds. To claim to know what or wont happen is blah. To be honest if you don't look at all the facts on both sides you are not actually capable of having a clear opinion on the subject. Short of showing some sort of facts, your claim of him being legit is about as iron clad as the OP's link.

[foreverfan]

I've watched many hours of Alex Jones. If he's a fake, I'd be hard pressed to see how. He is constantly the only voice exposing the idiots in charge. He relentlessly stays on their backs. If he was fake, he'd be kissing ass like Rachel Maddow.

Sure his shows go to extremes to make a point. I'm glad he's cares and is pissed. I'm sure some of it's acting. Still, Alex Jones has called out the Bushes, Obama, the NWO, the Illuminati and just about every piece of criminal crap legislation ever enacted. He's the voice of reason. He's a huge Ron Paul supporter!

I don't see how anyone who has listened to hours of Alex Jones's stuff could find this story even remotely creditable. More likely is designed to discredit Jones to people who have never listened to him before. Remember, they successfully labeled Ron Paul a crackpot in 2008. The goal is to get you to stop listening before you start.

[Endity]

Alex only planned to speak on two occasions, there was nothing cancelled.

Listening to his shows in their entirety clearly reveals, that his underlying message is positive. It's about humanity rising, about becoming self-responsible, about being a dencent person, helping others and so on.

If he somehow works for the cabal, it doesn't work out too well for the cabal. The number of people, who started "waking up" to the bigger picture because of Alex is just off the charge and the news he presents is very valuable. Guess what would all be done and implemented by the cabal if there was no media coverage and thus no public awareness/reaction?

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I wrote this right after reading the OP, now I just reiterated what has been replied before :o

This is simple white smoke tactics. Look over here while this is going on over there. I also my self have to look in history to see what has happened to men that reveal truths, or have radical ideas that would change the system we live in. They are supressed. This comment is all speculation of course but I have a hard time believing a system so controlled by the cabal would allow a man like this to roam free. Its apparently self destructive to the cabal if hes on the air, but also if he works for them is self destructive to them. So it seems either way the cabal or whoever is not as smart as we think I guess lol.

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

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[foreverfan]

Alex only planned to speak on two occasions, there was nothing cancelled.

Listening to his shows in their entirety clearly reveals, that his underlying message is positive. It's about humanity rising, about becoming self-responsible, about being a dencent person, helping others and so on.

If he somehow works for the cabal, it doesn't work out too well for the cabal. The number of people, who started "waking up" to the bigger picture because of Alex is just off the charge and the news he presents is very valuable. Guess what would all be done and implemented by the cabal if there was no media coverage and thus no public awareness/reaction?

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I wrote this right after reading the OP, now I just reiterated what has been replied before :o

This is simple white smoke tactics. Look over here while this is going on over there. I also my self have to look in history to see what has happened to men that reveal truths, or have radical ideas that would change the system we live in. They are supressed. This comment is all speculation of course but I have a hard time believing a system so controlled by the cabal would allow a man like this to roam free. Its apparently self destructive to the cabal if hes on the air, but also if he works for them is self destructive to them. So it seems either way the cabal or whoever is not as smart as we think I guess lol.

I guess David Icke, Bill & Kerry, David Wilcock, Ben Fulford ect. works for the cabal too? Alex Jones may be too high of a profile guy to just kill in broad daylight. Heck, they still don't have the whole 911 mess to cover up. LOL

In any case, it fun to speculate. Good or Evil? As for his message... Good. If you listen to Sharpton, Jackson or Obama, the message is bad. Enough said.

[Endity]

Just remember that is you that bundled them into the web of alex jones. I do not feel the same as you when it comes to David, Bill, and willcock. I don't know kerry or Ben. You are claiming I said any of them work for the cabal? I was the first to say I don't know lol. It honestly takes an intelligent person to realize they dont have all the facts. Its just my opinion on the man that doesn't make it fact or credible or anything. I am skeptical of any person I listen to, come in contact with or whatever. Many people have agendas that we may not be privy too :>

[Lifebringer]

Alex is another Rush Limbaugh, when it comes to trying to scare people. People, when you look at it all, they've done this before. Three times in 30 years by Republican/Corporate politicians, NOT working for the citizens of this country. When did the people's government dissolve, and why has it continued? Isn't there a "Real American" that can tell these people to go to hell and mean it?
If other races didn't check their crazy, there would be concentration camps and posse's across the nation.

It's time this AMERICAN CONSTITUTION FOR EQUAL JUSTICE FOR ALL, IS PUT INTO EFFECT.

Can't Ralph Nader and other prominant citizens like Bill Clinton or Dennis Kucinich, get the ball rolling, so head will roll for the deceitful lies and misappropriation of Federal Dollars, Theft by deceptive financial practices. This is a Bunko, Untouchable moment for OUR generations that saw this coming, and knew what had to be done. WE saw and continue to see them doing the same skimming or LEECHING off the people by manipulating values, to increase their holdings. LIVING off the working poor and middle class like ELITE TICKS.

I definately will be glad to see JUSTICE served and the crooks incarcerated in REGULAR JAIL. Why pay top dollar, when they stole so much three times for God's sake, and a slap on the wrist, has been the answer, like most rich parents do their overly dangerous children. I understand LOVE of a child, but the best way to love them is to train them up right to be socialble to society. This Greedamania over the last 2 decades, has lead to treasonous representatives like NEWT Ginrich, who aids Iran on nukes on one hand, and talks about future wars with Iran the next, is only the tip of the iceberg of evil.
Cold heartless inhuman droids of destruction, are all over "the Wall St" institutions, not MAIN ST. We cancirculate labor and skill without the banks, if need be.
CHARITY AND SOLUTIONS BEGIN AT HOME FIRST.

[Referee]

I have heard this before about Alex. Then why does he continue to awaken the sleeping? He shreds the MSM daily. He works hard and is passionate. I do not buy this story he is a strafor double agent. This argument really when you look at doesn't make sense he exposes the UN and adgenda 21, big pharma and big Agra Four main things the NWO wants. He, also exposes chem-trails and had on Icke. I think that this is a bunch of hooey. Devide and conquer comes to mind.

[PathWalker]

PrisonPlanet is just another information source.
All information sources are biased and with agenda.
Never the less they have value.
I read Aljazeera news as well. Despite their bias.
I try to read news from several sources and compare notes.

[christian]

I have a hard time believing a system so controlled by the cabal would allow a man like this to roam free. Its apparently self destructive to the cabal if hes on the air, but also if he works for them is self destructive to them. So it seems either way the cabal or whoever is not as smart as we think I guess.

I guess so, too. It's not that his way has been perfectly smooth with no obstacles. His show would long have been the biggest sensation on YouTube, if they didn't manipulate the counter of his videos, I guess. Stops at 300 and then some at most.

The cabal is not the only group, that has a say in who lives and who dies. Alex is protected, as are many others who put themselves on the line. They are protected because by their deeds they prove they deserve it. For example if you have a look at Jordan Maxwell's first interview with Camelot, at one point he says he was in a restaurant one day and a voice just told him to run and apparently there were people there to get him and he managed to escape.

The jig is up for the cabal anyways, the genie is out of the bottle. If they'd kill Alex, there'd be myriads of his followers continuing his work, multiplying the force of this movement.



It's time to man up folks, no one is coming to our rescue.

To be honest if you don't look at all the facts on both sides you are not actually capable of having a clear opinion on the subject.

I agree with both of you. No one is coming to save us doesn't mean no one out there supports our cause. I think we're already getting help, but as has been pointed out rightly over and over again, it's a no brainer, that it's not appropriate, to put all our hope in others that might come and help, that's a recipe for desaster. Folks from here or from elsewhere would abuse us, just like in the past, and rightly so. Humanity becoming self-determined is the most crucial issue in this whole cosmic drama. To work together with our greater family is our destiny eventually, I find.

[Kerrigan]

If they'd kill Alex, there'd be myriads of his followers continuing his work, multiplying the force of this movement.


That's exactly the answer that Alex gives himself. Listen to the third hour of radio of Monday 9th of April. He replies to a caller about this.

Edit: I found it on youtube, start watching at 12:22, here we go:

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I agree with the youtube video counts... it sticks around 300-301-302 views on most of his videos... that is not normal.

Alex is not disinfo, he speaks with his heart, and reports everything that is already in mainstream media. I do not understand why there is a destruction campaign going on against him, particularly here, on PA...

[observer]

[....snip]
Alex is not disinfo, he speaks with his heart, and reports everything that is already in mainstream media. I do not understand why there is a destruction campaign going on against him, particularly here, on PA...

It should be obvious, Kerrigan.

Look at the statistics of the OP, DreamsInDigital. She joined in December, just a few months ago, and already has 1,254 comments.

DreamsInDigital is only intrested in her post-count total. She doesn't give a sh*t about the quality of her posts, nor does she care who's reputation she is destroying with her threads. Her only purpose on the forum is to accumulate post-counts, and, most likely, as a disinformation specialists.

Just what is a, "LF Strategies Specialist", anyway?

Just my humble opinion....

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

I don't like Alex's style, and do find the way it comes across, at least to me as fear mongering.

That said, I can't see him being a double or disinfo agent.

As a side note, can we keep the bitching and poo flinging at members to a minimim? We are all one community of intelligent people looking for the same answers. How about we show a little respect?

PVM

[thunder24]

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[DeDukshyn]

Here's how the Elite take people out:

Support them to get them in the public eye, fund them - make them rely on you for the money to do the work, give them gifts (keep your friends close and enemies closer), pretend to be on your side.

Then one of two things: if what they want to get rid of is an invention or something, fund an "opponent", then pull the $$$ plug on the legit guy, bankrupt him, and support the opponent in MSM to deface the legit guy; or, if the issue is information, just show everyone that he's "working for the enemy" and call him a disinfo agent.

I'm not saying that is what happened with AJ. I am saying that this method is sooo easy and common to pull off for the elite.

BTW I never really understood all his extreme anti gay rhetoric -- he seemed to be catering to the "Christian" South in the sense of this and the general acceptance from Christians about end times "drama".

Other than that, he's done some pretty interesting and noble things ...
I don't draw conclusions - no need to. ;)

[cellardoor]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio_host)
In 1998, Jones organized a successful effort to build a new Branch Davidian church as a memorial to those who died during the 1993 fire that ended the government's siege of the original Branch Davidian complex near Waco, Texas. He often featured the project on his Public-access television program and claimed that Koresh and his followers were peaceful people who were murdered by Attorney General Janet Reno and the ATF during the siege

The Branch Davidians (also known as "The Branch") are a Protestant sect that originated in 1955 from a schism in the Davidian Seventh Day Adventists ("Davidians"), a reform movement that began within the Seventh-day Adventist Church ("Adventists") around 1930. The majority of those who accepted the reform message have been disfellowshipped due to the Adventist church rejecting it. The Branch Davidians have many theological beliefs in common with Messianic Judaism.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Branch_Davidian_flag.svg/220px-Branch_Davidian_flag.svg.png

From its inception in 1930, the reform movement inherited Adventism's apocalypticism, in that they believed themselves to be living in a time when Bible prophecies of a final divine judgment were coming to pass as a prelude to Christ's second coming. The name "Branch Davidian" is most widely known for the Waco Siege of 1993 on their property (known as the Mount Carmel Center) near Waco, Texas, by the ATF, FBI, and Texas National Guard, which resulted in the deaths of their leader, David Koresh, as well as 82 other Branch Davidians and four ATF agents.

David Koresh (August 17, 1959 – April 19, 1993), born Vernon Wayne Howell, was the leader of a Branch Davidian religious sect, believing himself to be its final prophet. Howell legally changed his name to David Koresh on May 15, 1990. A 1993 raid by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and the subsequent siege by the FBI ended with the burning of the Branch Davidian ranch outside of Waco, Texas, in McLennan County. Koresh, 54 other adults and 21 children were found dead after the fire.

In 1983 he began claiming the gift of prophecy. It is speculated[by whom?] that Koresh had a sexual relationship with Lois Roden, the prophetess and leader of the sect who was then 76 years old, eventually claiming that God had chosen him to father a child with her, who would be the Chosen One.[1] In 1983, Roden allowed Koresh to begin teaching his own message which caused controversy in the group. Lois Roden's son George Roden intended to be the group's next leader and considered Koresh an interloper. When Koresh announced that God had instructed him to marry Rachel Jones (who then added Koresh to her name), there was a short period of calm at Mount Carmel, but it proved only temporary. In the ensuing power struggle, George Roden, claiming to have the support of the majority of the group, forced Koresh and his group off the property at gunpoint. Disturbed by the events and the move away from the philosophy of the community's founders, a further splinter group led by Charles Joseph Pace moved out of Mount Carmel and set up home in Gadsden, Alabama.
In 1985 Koresh and around 25 followers set up camp at Palestine, Texas, 90 miles from Waco, where they lived under rough conditions in buses and tents for the next two years, during which time Koresh undertook recruitment of new followers in California, the United Kingdom, Israel and Australia. That same year Koresh traveled to Israel where he claimed he had a vision that he was the modern day Cyrus. The founder of the Davidian movement, Victor Houteff, wanted to be God's implement and establish the Davidic kingdom in Palestine. Koresh also wanted to be God's tool and set up the Davidic kingdom in Jerusalem. At least until 1990, he believed the place of his martyrdom might be in Israel, but by 1991 he was convinced that his martyrdom would be in the United States. Instead of Israel, he said the prophecies of Daniel would be fulfilled in Waco and that the Mount Carmel Center was the Davidic kingdom.[3]
After being exiled to the Palestine, Texas camp, Koresh and his followers eked out a primitive existence. When Lois Roden died in 1986, the exiled Davidians wondered if they would ever be able to return to Mount Carmel. But despite the displacement, "Koresh now enjoyed the loyalty of the majority of the [Davidian] community."[4]
By late 1987, George Roden's support was severely withering. To regain it, he challenged Koresh to a contest to raise the dead, going so far as to exhume a corpse to demonstrate his spiritual supremacy. Koresh went to authorities to file charges against Roden for illegally exhuming a corpse, but was told he would have to show proof (such as a photograph of the corpse). Koresh seized the opportunity to seek criminal prosecution of Roden by returning to Mount Carmel with seven armed followers attempting to get photographic proof of the crime. Koresh's group was discovered by Roden and a gunfight broke out. When the sheriff arrived, Roden had already suffered a minor gunshot wound and was pinned down behind a tree. As a result of the incident, Koresh and his followers were charged with attempted murder. At the trial, Koresh explained that he went to Mount Carmel to uncover evidence of criminal disturbance of a corpse by Roden. Koresh's followers were acquitted, and in Koresh's case a mistrial was declared.
In 1989 Roden murdered Wayman Dale Adair with an axe blow to the skull after Adair stated his belief that he (Adair) was the true Messiah.[5] Roden was convicted of murder and imprisoned in a mental hospital at Vernon, Texas. Since Roden owed thousands of dollars in unpaid taxes on Mount Carmel, Koresh and his followers were able to raise the money and reclaim the property. Roden continued to harass the Koresh faction by filing legal papers while imprisoned. When Koresh and his followers reclaimed Mt. Carmel, they discovered that tenants who had rented from Roden had left behind a methamphetamine laboratory, which Koresh reported to the local police department and asked to have removed.

Accusations of child abuse and statutory rape

The child abuse and sexual abuse claims have been widely circulated in the press coverage though it is often difficult to separate the purported claims from the evidence.[11] Koresh's doctrine of the House of David[12] did lead to spiritual marriages with both married and single women in the group and with at least one underage girl. The underage girl was Michelle Jones, the younger sister of Koresh's legal wife Rachel and the daughter of life-long Davidians Perry and Mary Belle Jones. Koresh took Michelle as a spiritual wife when she was thirteen, evidently with the consent of the Joneses. This means Koresh was in violation of state law and could have been prosecuted for statutory rape in Texas. A six-month investigation of child abuse allegations by the Texas Child Protection Services in 1992 failed to turn up any evidence likely because the Davidians concealed the spiritual marriage of Koresh to Michelle Jones, assigning a surrogate husband (David Thibodeau), to the girl for the sake of appearances. [13] A second allegation involved an underage girl, Kiri Jewell, who testified in the Congressional hearings on Waco in 1995. She claimed Koresh engaged in improper sexual touching and other behaviors that would have brought sexual assault charges against him. There is no independent confirmation of this incident, however, Kiri's family was split over whether they believed her story.
Regarding the allegations of child abuse, the evidence is less compelling. In one widely reported incident, ex-members claimed that Koresh became irritated with the cries of his son Cyrus and spanked the child severely for several minutes on three consecutive visits to the child's bedroom. In a second report, Koresh was said to have beaten the eight-month old daughter of another member for approximately forty minutes until the girl's bottom bled. In a third incident, a man involved in a custody battle visited Mt. Carmel and claimed to have seen the beating of a young boy with a stick. [14] Finally, the FBI's justification for forcing an end to the 51 day standoff was predicated on the charge that Koresh was abusing children inside Mount Carmel. In hours following the deadly conflagration, Attorney General Janet Reno told reporters that "We had specific information that babies were being beaten." [15] But FBI Director William Sessions publicly denied the charge and told reporters that they had no such information about child abuse inside the Mount Carmel. [16] A careful examination of the other child abuse charges found the evidence to be weak and ambiguous, casting doubt on the allegations. [17]
The allegations of child abuse stem largely from detractors and ex-members. [18] The 1993 U.S. Department of Justice report cites allegations of child sexual and physical abuse. But despite the merits of the charges, legal scholars point out that the ATF had no legal jurisdiction in the matter of child protection and it appears that these accounts were inserted by the ATF to inflame the case against Koresh. For example, the account of former Branch Davidian Jeannine Bunds is reproduced in the affidavit. She claimed that Koresh had fathered at least fifteen children with various women and that she had personally delivered seven of these children. Bunds also claims that Koresh would annul all marriages of couples who joined the group, had exclusive sexual access to the women, and would also have regular sexual relations with young girls,[19] though some of these charges are clearly exaggerated. [20] There is no question that Koresh had multiple children by different women in the group. His House of David doctrine based on a purported revelation involved the reproduction of 24 children by chosen women in the community. These 24 children were to serve as the ruling elders over the millennium after the return of Christ. In his book, James Tabor states that Koresh acknowledged on a videotape sent out of the compound during the standoff that he had fathered more than 12 children by several "wives."[21] On March 3, 1993, during negotiations to secure the release of the remaining children, Koresh advised the Negotiation Team that: "My children are different than those others," referring to his direct lineage versus those children previously released.
At the time, in Texas, the age of parental consent for a minor to marry was 14, as was the age for consent to engage in sexual relations.[citation needed] In the documentary film, Waco: The Rules of Engagement (long version), Jack Harwell, Sheriff of McLennan County, stated: "You have to have proof to go into court . . . Keep in mind, too, that most of the girls who were involved were at least 14 years old and 14 year olds get married with parental consent. So if their parents were there and letting things happen in the way of sexual activities and what have you with their 14 year old kids, you have common law husbands and wives. Uh, I don’t say that I agree with that and that I approve of it. But at the same time, if parents are there and they’re giving parental consent, we have a problem with that in making a case.

The Mount Carmel raid and the 1992 Ruby Ridge incident were cited by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols as motivations for the Oklahoma City bombing. This terrorist act was carried out on April 19, 1995 -- timed to coincide with the second anniversary of the Waco assault.

[foreverfan]

I don't like Alex's style, and do find the way it comes across, at least to me as fear mongering.

That said, I can't see him being a double or disinfo agent.

As a side note, can we keep the bitching and poo flinging at members to a minimim? We are all one community of intelligent people looking for the same answers. How about we show a little respect?

PVM

Are you kidding? I love his style. I'm sick of the talking heads always smiling when they deliver news no matter how bad the spin is. Alex's attitude is about shoving his foot up someone's ass. I applaud and say it refreshing to open a can of whipass.

[New Dawn]

Hardly exposed...

[DeDukshyn]

I don't put a lot of faith in Wikipedia; take it all with a grain of salt ...

[cellardoor]

http://www.infowars.com/clippings/USAtdy.JPG
http://www.infowars.com/info/volunteers_rebuilding_branch_d.html

[jackovesk]

If they'd kill Alex, there'd be myriads of his followers continuing his work, multiplying the force of this movement.


That's exactly the answer that Alex gives himself. Listen to the third hour of radio of Monday 9th of April. He replies to a caller about this.

Edit: I found it on youtube, start watching at 12:22, here we go:

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I agree with the youtube video counts... it sticks around 300-301-302 views on most of his videos... that is not normal.

Alex is not disinfo, he speaks with his heart, and reports everything that is already in mainstream media. I do not understand why there is a destruction campaign going on against him, particularly here, on PA...

G'Day Kerrigan,

Re:


Alex is not disinfo, he speaks with his heart, and reports everything that is already in mainstream media. I do not understand why there is a destruction campaign going on against him, particularly here, on PA...

I Agree...:yes4:

You want to know 'Why' particularly here, on PA.....?

Because most of these people would'nt know the 'Truth' even if they were 'Hit in the Head by a Sledge-Hammer' with it..!

...either that or they are just too precious...:yes4:

Rgs,

Jack :)

PS - This is a relatively 'Old' smear campaign, from both the 'Hit-Piece' article and Sean David Morton reading it out on 'Air' verbatim on his radio show...

[the_vast_mystery]

All I'll say on Alex Jones is this, the man may mean well sometimes but he is hopelessly caught by certain dogma of the right side of the political spectrum. His defense of Rush Limbaugh showed that very VERY clearly. He brushes off what Rush did as being simply disagreeable, not even touching that Rush bald-faced-lied on air, for three days about the fluke testimony (slander if you consider she's a private citizen and not a public figure) just to make her feel like subhuman scum for showing her face in congress to talk about how reducing access to contraception can have severe medical repercussions.

Rush then issued not one but two non-apologies "Oh gee! I'm sorry I got caught upsetting all you wussy liberals!" style. He parrots the entire right's Limbaugh narrative instead of taking the high route. He either clearly did not do his research or is acting as a mouthpiece for people who still have an ax to grind about women/sexuality and don't care how they make that known. I've lost all respect for him after that even if his somewhat vitriolic language before hadn't put me off enough. I tried to imagine it was mostly his way of trying to sway those caught in the right-spectrum political trap to come to the light, so to speak. Yet he made a video entirely in support of Limbaugh and just doubled down on the official Republican narrative.

I can't imagine someone who's legitimately interested in promoting the highest good giving full-fledged support to someone for doing something so vile and reprehensible.

[Hervé]

I guess the obvious is so obvious that it has become difficult to distinguish it from the scenery...

So, here are a couple of questions to answer:

Doom & gloom, whose agenda does this one belong to?

(For a facet of doom & gloom, see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33351-KGB-Agent-tells-you-what-the-illusion-is&p=341720&viewfull=1#post341720) <- click)

Once one has reviewed the video in the above referenced post, what are the statistics for this:

For anyone awakened, how many were run down into despair?

Here is something from the "way-back-when-time-machine":




The "war" will get the Revelationists and other religions into an uproar about the "end of the world" as foretold in Revelations, the Bible Book. To further scare everyone, there will also be threats of the use of Atomic, Biological, and Chemical weapons - though none will be used (except maybe secretly or accidentally as they are being used today).

At this time the whole world will be in fear and confusion and looking for a "stable datum". Markabian political leaders will press for more "controls and emergency measures". Freedoms still existing will be abrogated. The Markabian World Bankers will fluctuate currencies wildly. The media will cry "doom" but advise everyone to "be calm". The One-World Police State will arrive and even be welcomed by those who have learned to desire control and conformity. Yet there will still be war and unrest and fear.

Then the "stable datum" will appear - as a communication from an extra-terrestrial civilization (Markab) offering friendship, peace, new technology, trade, and economic and political alignment.

The above from 1983... Can anyone equate this with "their" "Disclosure?"

(Replace "Markab/ians" with "Anunnaki/Lizzies" and you get the modern days description of the same)

Then:



The Third World War
230284 1130 GMT OTB UK
The Third World War (WW III) is now in full action. It has been going on for many years - skirmishes, guerilla actions, and small isolated pitched battles, with clandestine operations of large and small scale constantly being carried out.

You won't read about this war in the newspapers or see it on television, because the Press and TV are being used as weapons in it.

Other weapons include drugs, radiation, computers, chemicals, microbes, propaganda, viruses, pollution, carcinogens, political sideshows, and the threats of use of atomic and hydrogen bombs.

Weapons that are very effective are economic pressure, taxation, and insidious substitution of real values with paper, cards and electrons.

Blackmail, peer-group pressure, conformity, and status orientation are powerful weaponry also.

Added to the exoteric are several esoteric devices or weapons for use in WW III which include covert invalidation, subliminal pictures on TV, psychiatric recommendations, depressants, hallucinogens, electric shock, tepaphones, intention projectors, -biological energy field restimulators and decay producers, and direct spiritual telepathic attack methods.

You and every person on Earth are in this war whether you like it or not, whether you agree or not, whether you believe it exists or not.

It is the WAR FOR THE CONTROL OF MEN'S MINDS.


... from 1984 (the year, but it might as well be the book).

[Kerrigan]

Thanks for the personal reply Jacko! :panda:


BTW I never really understood all his extreme anti gay rhetoric

I'd like you to prove that. I have heard Alex talk about about gays, and it was always with respect. He respects liberties of everybody. I ask you to please provide a link where Alex Jones bashes a gay that isn't part of the NWO plot.

[jackovesk]

All I'll say on Alex Jones is this, the man may mean well sometimes but he is hopelessly caught by certain dogma of the right side of the political spectrum. His defense of Rush Limbaugh showed that very VERY clearly. He brushes off what Rush did as being simply disagreeable, not even touching that Rush bald-faced-lied on air, for three days about the fluke testimony (slander if you consider she's a private citizen and not a public figure) just to make her feel like subhuman scum for showing her face in congress to talk about how reducing access to contraception can have severe medical repercussions.

Rush then issued not one but two non-apologies "Oh gee! I'm sorry I got caught upsetting all you wussy liberals!" style. He parrots the entire right's Limbaugh narrative instead of taking the high route. He either clearly did not do his research or is acting as a mouthpiece for people who still have an ax to grind about women/sexuality and don't care how they make that known. I've lost all respect for him after that even if his somewhat vitriolic language before hadn't put me off enough. I tried to imagine it was mostly his way of trying to sway those caught in the right-spectrum political trap to come to the light, so to speak. Yet he made a video entirely in support of Limbaugh and just doubled down on the official Republican narrative.

I can't imagine someone who's legitimately interested in promoting the highest good giving full-fledged support to someone for doing something so vile and reprehensible.

Talk about mis-construing the 'Truth'...:faint:

Alex Jones defended Rush Limbaugh's right to 'Free Speech', nothing more, nothing less..!

He went onto say - "If they (George Soros - Media Matters) can 'Take-Down' the likes of a 'Rush Limbaugh' they can take down anyone"..!

[the_vast_mystery]

Talk about mis-construing the 'Truth'...:faint:

Alex Jones defended Rush Limbaugh's right to 'Free Speech', nothing more, nothing less..!

He went onto say - "If they (George Soros - Media Matters) can 'Take-Down' the likes of a 'Rush Limbaugh' they can take down anyone"..!

Correct me if I'm wrong but freedom of speech only applies to government, myees? So how is a boycott of his advertisers, primarily organized by grass roots websites like DailyKos (http://www.dailykos.com) and later gaining support from Media Matters taking away his free speech? It's exactly the sort of "Free-market solution" that rabid capitalists talk about. People and companies voted with their dollars to say they did not want to support the ****-shaming of an innocent woman to push a right-wing agenda. You are perfectly free to speak, and people are perfectly free to hold you responsible for your words as well. This is what seems to have been lost, suddenly because it's the big right-wing Kingmaker getting targeted instead of say, Bil Mahr (who lost his show over his remarks) and Ed Shultz (who was officially sanctioned, made a real apology on air and lost a lot of money as a disciplinary action by the network. After Limbaugh's tirade his employers doubled down on their support for him).

So no, this was not about freedom of speech. That would require the government to have stepped in and done something. In fact, the Armed Forces Network was one of the big players to keep him. So this was all about lending him moral support by parroting the narrative and trying to persuade viewers/listeners that Rush did nothing wrong: "no, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, look at the big liberal boogeyman instead!"

[jackovesk]

Talk about mis-construing the 'Truth'...:faint:

Alex Jones defended Rush Limbaugh's right to 'Free Speech', nothing more, nothing less..!

He went onto say - "If they (George Soros - Media Matters) can 'Take-Down' the likes of a 'Rush Limbaugh' they can take down anyone"..!

Correct me if I'm wrong but freedom of speech only applies to government, myees? So how is a boycott of his advertisers, primarily organized by grass roots websites like DailyKos (http://www.dailykos.com) and later gaining support from Media Matters taking away his free speech? It's exactly the sort of "Free-market solution" that rabid capitalists talk about. People and companies voted with their dollars to say they did not want to support the ****-shaming of an innocent woman to push a right-wing agenda. You are perfectly free to speak, and people are perfectly free to hold you responsible for your words as well. This is what seems to have been lost, suddenly because it's the big right-wing Kingmaker getting targeted instead of say, Bil Mahr (who lost his show over his remarks) and Ed Shultz (who was officially sanctioned, made a real apology on air and lost a lot of money as a disciplinary action by the network. After Limbaugh's tirade his employers doubled down on their support for him).

So no, this was not about freedom of speech. That would require the government to have stepped in and done something. In fact, the Armed Forces Network was one of the big players to keep him. So this was all about lending him moral support by parroting the narrative and trying to persuade viewers/listeners that Rush did nothing wrong: "no, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, look at the big liberal boogeyman instead!"

Let me start off by saying, I have 'No' respect for Rush Limbaugh whatsover...:nono:

Secondly, you really need to start educating yourself on who the 'Govt' actually is....

...and 'Why' the media not only went to town on 'Limbaugh' but 'Why' they made such a 'Big Deal' out of this story in the 1st place..?

Once you can do that, I will be happy to converse with you...

Hint: Forget about the Left/Right Paradigm and start focussing on the 'End-Game'...:)

[modwiz]

Talk about mis-construing the 'Truth'...:faint:

Alex Jones defended Rush Limbaugh's right to 'Free Speech', nothing more, nothing less..!

He went onto say - "If they (George Soros - Media Matters) can 'Take-Down' the likes of a 'Rush Limbaugh' they can take down anyone"..!

Correct me if I'm wrong but freedom of speech only applies to government, myees? So how is a boycott of his advertisers, primarily organized by grass roots websites like DailyKos (http://www.dailykos.com) and later gaining support from Media Matters taking away his free speech? It's exactly the sort of "Free-market solution" that rabid capitalists talk about. People and companies voted with their dollars to say they did not want to support the ****-shaming of an innocent woman to push a right-wing agenda. You are perfectly free to speak, and people are perfectly free to hold you responsible for your words as well. This is what seems to have been lost, suddenly because it's the big right-wing Kingmaker getting targeted instead of say, Bil Mahr (who lost his show over his remarks) and Ed Shultz (who was officially sanctioned, made a real apology on air and lost a lot of money as a disciplinary action by the network. After Limbaugh's tirade his employers doubled down on their support for him).

So no, this was not about freedom of speech. That would require the government to have stepped in and done something. In fact, the Armed Forces Network was one of the big players to keep him. So this was all about lending him moral support by parroting the narrative and trying to persuade viewers/listeners that Rush did nothing wrong: "no, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, look at the big liberal boogeyman instead!"

The DailyKos(her) is no grassroots anything. It is zionist occupied territory. I was banned for opining on the brutality of the certain actors in Palestine and picked the wrong team. Grassroots and hasbara are very different realities. I know they consider themselves democrats, but there is no such things are political parties, only crime families. One for bleeding hearts and one for the heartless. The ziocrats rival the heartless when it comes to Palestine.

There is no freedom of speech at the DailyKosher, unless you speak hasbara. I learned this personally and it was an eye-opener. Like voting for Obama and getting the invertebrate that is in the WH now.

Real education sometimes leaves welts.

[andrewgreen]

An reason or evidence for these statements?

I think if your going to attempt to damage someone's character at least provide a reason for your views.

[Referee]

Avalonians if it is true AJ is a Strafor Double Agent then where is the proof in the strafor wikileaks leak? There should be something there you think?

[Maia Gabrial]

I believe that Alex Jones' purpose is to keep people in a constant riled state. Does he EVER say anything uplifting? In some ways, I'm glad he's reporting the news as he has because it makes us more aware of what's going on; but then it never gets better, does it? It's always gloom and doom.... And as I understand it, keeping humanity in a perpetual angry state is good for the cabal and bad for humanity.

I don't find it too difficult to accept that he's working for something like STRATFOR.... One thing's for sure that these are VERY deceptive times. But at the same time there's a "truth vibration" that's exposing everything. IF Alex Jones is complict, then the truth will come out....

[PathWalker]

Let me put my understanding here. WE UNDERSTAND NOTHING.
We feel the fear porn, we are attracted to the anger drama.
The information is deep into aggression and very biased.
So why do you care paint him this or that. Exposing this or that will change nothing.
If we keep mudding in the true/false puddle, we will forgot the mission. The goal is to get empowered by the info. If it is not for you keep going.
Our power is to decide what is for us, we have so much more choice now. TBTW are helplessly losing control, and they are scared from our power.

[christian]

I believe that Alex Jones' purpose is to keep people in a constant riled state. Does he EVER say anything uplifting?

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[spuddie]

I've been a subscriber to The Alex Jones Show for the last 22 months... played all his documentaries... watched around 95% of his online broadcasts and guest appearances on other channels such as RT.

The assertion that he's a Stratfor stooge simply does not square with my experience of the man, his rhetoric, and his deeds. He kicks way too much Globalist ass and takes far too many New World Order names not to be a genuine torch-bearer for the Truth Movement.

Moreover, there are just too many disinfo-savvy politicians, academics, authors, journalists, broadcasters, and others with reputations to tarnish appearing on his shows for him to be a double agent. Were he that, he would have been outed long before now.

That said, I do take issue with aspects of his... er... 'showbiz schtick', let's call it:

I'm in awe of Alex's encyclopaedic knowledge, his unshakeable convictions, his volcanic passion, and his give-me-liberty-or-death commitment... he's less human being than force of nature, I often think... but I dearly, dearly wish he would cut out his bust-a-blood-vessel rants, which I find boring and repetitive, and his goofy pantomime-horsing around, which I find toe-curlingly witless and puerile. And I wish he'd moderate his irritating habits of exaggerating, generalising, and interrupting guests when they're in perfectly eloquent and engaging full flow.

These are all very unfortunate aspects of his performances because, as I'm sure many AJ fans would agree, they do nothing to enhance his credibility amongst a wider, conspiracy-skeptical public. More than that, they serve only to reinforce 'Jones-the-crazy-conspiracy-theorist' prejudices, and turn away thousands upon thousands of potential subscribers.

But it seems so blindingly obvious to me; why can't he see this? Why can't he tone down the schtick and appeal to a wider audience? His life purpose is to wake up the masses, after all; the more massive those masses, the better.

I dunno, perhaps being the middle-aged Brit I am, I just don't 'get' the politically partisan American 'shock-jock' radio' genre, in which Alex is rooted. This side of the Pond, we're weaned by the polite, non-political 'Auntie Beeb' (BBC radio), by and large.

Well... no. I've concluded that Alex, bless him, just can't help himself. He's the victim of his own Narcissistic personality type... note I said personality type, not personality disorder; big difference. Meaning he's internally driven to displays of anger, grandiosity, and manipulativeness. And driven to treating others as foils to his own ego... which is why he just can't stop interrupting guests, even when he knows, by his own admission, he shouldn't.

But I guess we're all blessed/cursed with the personality type we were born and socialised with, so I can easily forgive him. And he is, after all, putting his life on the line for the cause. A hero in the true sense of the word.

Let's all hope and pray that before the revolution arrives he doesn't get... er... 'Breitbarted'.

[the_vast_mystery]

Let me start off by saying, I have 'No' respect for Rush Limbaugh whatsover...:nono:

Well that already makes your response better than AJ's since you went so far as to say that and he minimized Rush's actions with his verbiage. Especially if there was a real story here, expert care should've been taken to make an initial statement of not just disagreement but outright disdain towards the content of Limbaugh's message. If you're smart enough to have researched the falseness of his remarks, and his history then you would take expert care to ensure that people saw your message about the "real story" and weren't distracted by you possibly say, seeming like you threw a towel of support to hate-radio. Again, Alex either did not do his research on the subject (because he would've pointed out Rush's lies if he had instead of parroting the Republican distortion of the facts) or he was lending moral support. Which is it? Incompetent or evil? You only get to pick one! ;p


Secondly, you really need to start educating yourself on who the 'Govt' actually is....

Hint: You are using a vague and non-descriptive phrase to try and hammer home an assumed point that I am ignorant. (and therefore not deserving of further response.) This does not work because you are subscribing to a specific, possibly even personal definition of what constitutes "government" and why. You have not stated this nor provided any material which would indicate this. In short, you are asking me to blindly agree with what may be your personal definition (that I would heretofore have no way of even knowing) while insisting that my failure to initially do so makes me ignorant. Doesn't quite work that way, now if you wanted to provide some actual substance to that argument (showing you are working from a tangible definition of government you did not just make up for purposes of this conversation) which would illustrate said point, that'd be different. ;)


...and 'Why' the media not only went to town on 'Limbaugh' but 'Why' they made such a 'Big Deal' out of this story in the 1st place..?

Because he bald faced lied, for three days, on air, to shame a girl and make her feel subhuman because she apparently had the "audacity" to speak up with the men folk on contraception. It's being made a big deal because I and people like me are absolutely revolted by the man and this time he's pretty much crossed into outright slander. You think this stuff has no implications? Tell that to Dr. George Tiller, who was ruthlessly slandered on right wing radio until someone finally decided to gun him down in his church. I don't believe in laws against speech but I will absolutely vote with my dollars to take away any financial support from hate peddlers who are trying to instruct the nation on which group they should lynch mob next for daring to challenge Calvinist social norms.

If you wanted to actually give a further counter-argument you could do it with some substance that doesn't boil down to the inane rationalizations that left Rush's mouth when he realized the scandal wasn't going away and decided to make up a lame sounding conspiracy to somehow absolve himself of fault. Yes, sometimes people face repercussions from the things they say. Further, if you want to talk about lobbying groups that are a threat Media Matters is by far the most benign. No, let's talk about ALEC (http://alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed) which actually can be shown to send numerous bills to state legislatures to get rubber stamped by paid off politicians.

If you have some substance to your argument that is based on tangible evidence then by all means present it. However if you've only got hearsay then I hate to say it but Occam's razor would tend to indicate that it's most likely not a big deal regarding "Media Matters."


Once you can do that, I will be happy to converse with you...

You might not want to, but I tend to have high aspirations! ;D

It could be that I'm missing something as well but there's still the fact that AJ committed a most grievous error at the very very least. Something has to be done about this and just ignoring it is not good enough because if you don't challenge falsehood when you see it then you are not actually interested in truth, just in whatever supports your own confirmation bias. This means challenges must be made and accepted when there are points of contention. I'll fully admit to the possibility I could be very wrong at any point, but I don't back down until I see proof of it.


Hint: Forget about the Left/Right Paradigm and start focussing on the 'End-Game'...:)

I am, part of that rests on being relentless in pointing out the inconsistencies/fallacies within people's arguments or implied statements to get to the bottom of their actual message. If people aren't able to mount a good, intellectual defense of what they know (with evidence) as well as the full how/why they know it, then they don't really know it very well, now do they? ;p


The DailyKos(her) is no grassroots anything. It is zionist occupied territory. I was banned for opining on the brutality of the certain actors in Palestine and picked the wrong team. Grassroots and hasbara are very different realities. I know they consider themselves democrats, but there is no such things are political parties, only crime families. One for bleeding hearts and one for the heartless. The ziocrats rival the heartless when it comes to Palestine.

Got a link or any kind of proof to show what they banned you for was ridiculous? I'm interested.

P.S. if you want to accuse the website in its entirety of being Zionist you need more than that to back it up. You need to actually build a case of facts versus making an assumption because they banned you. I can (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/30/1079097/-IP-International-visits-to-Gaza-and-West-Bank-in-the-offing-) find (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/29/1078826/-Israel-s-Mistreatment-of-Minorities-Violates-International-Law) numerous (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/19/1075657/-Settler-Group-Gives-the-Game-Away-by-Complaining-too-Few-Palestinian-Homes-are-Demolished-) articles (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/12/1073616/-Israeli-attacks-kill-schoolboy-old-man-22-others) pointing (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/06/1081379/-Israel-Palestine-News) out (http://dailykos.com/story/2012/02/15/1064919/-A-Plea-to-the-World-from-the-Principal-of-a-Palestinian-School-about-to-be-Demolished) Israel's authoritarian folly on Kos, how is it a Zionist conspiracy again? If I can find this many critical of Israel posts this fast you need to do a little more to show what you're saying's true. :)


There is no freedom of speech at the DailyKosher, unless you speak hasbara. I learned this personally and it was an eye-opener. Like voting for Obama and getting the invertebrate that is in the WH now.

Real education sometimes leaves welts.

Freedom of Speech is a loaded term when used in this context, you have no freedom of speech in the private sector. Nor do I on this website. I accept that in fact I could be banned for making this very post that challenges these assumptions you've made for no other reason than it offends some people that I ask questions. (not that I'm saying they'd ever do that, but it's still technically possible) The admins, if they wanted to, could, because it's private property. The fact you keep flinging the loaded terminology of oppression into this seems to suggest that you're looking for a justification to hate DK because they banned you. Now, I could be entirely wrong here. But you're going to need to do a LOT better to convince me that this is an actual problem versus someone making something up to rationalize their past actions. Again, Occam's razor at work here. I've gone to the trouble of providing a substantiated counter-argument. I'd only appreciate if you could do the same in any future response. :)

[aranuk]

I disagree with all this Alex dis-info stuff and pro zionist stuff. He is married to an Israeli lady who he most probably still loves and wants to remain married so he doesn't want to be misinterpretated or something of that sort. My wife has been a long life athiest and I was too when we met. So I am careful not to slag off athiests. Simple really. I would hate to be accused as having a secret affinity with athiests.
I am definately NOT an athiest.

Stan

[risveglio]

The DailyKos(her) is no grassroots anything. It is zionist occupied territory. I was banned for opining on the brutality of the certain actors in Palestine and picked the wrong team. Grassroots and hasbara are very different realities. I know they consider themselves democrats, but there is no such things are political parties, only crime families. One for bleeding hearts and one for the heartless. The ziocrats rival the heartless when it comes to Palestine.

Got a link or any kind of proof to show what they banned you for was ridiculous? I'm interested.



I am not sure how you call a site whose goal is to elect more Democrats "grassroots". Its fine to want to elect more Democrats but that is about as "grassroots" as a site that wants to elect more Republicans. I prefer sites that realize they are the same party that loves to play us against each other. As for the banning, it does seem quite a few people have claimed to be banned.

http://mondoweiss.net/2011/09/dailykos-bans-simone-daud-who-sought-to-inject-palestinian-view-into-us-political-discourse.html

http://www.thehotjoints.com/2012/02/21/lefty-blogger-banned-from-daily-kos-for-questioning-islam/

http://nastyjackbuzz.blogspot.com/2012/03/b-n-n-e-d-by-daily-kos-for-my-views-on.html

http://truth-about-kos.blogspot.com/

There is a lot more, a simple google search of banned from DailyKos returns quite a few results.

[modwiz]

Let me start off by saying, I have 'No' respect for Rush Limbaugh whatsover...:nono:

Well that already makes your response better than AJ's since you went so far as to say that and he minimized Rush's actions with his verbiage. Especially if there was a real story here, expert care should've been taken to make an initial statement of not just disagreement but outright disdain towards the content of Limbaugh's message. If you're smart enough to have researched the falseness of his remarks, and his history then you would take expert care to ensure that people saw your message about the "real story" and weren't distracted by you possibly say, seeming like you threw a towel of support to hate-radio. Again, Alex either did not do his research on the subject (because he would've pointed out Rush's lies if he had instead of parroting the Republican distortion of the facts) or he was lending moral support. Which is it? Incompetent or evil? You only get to pick one! ;p


Secondly, you really need to start educating yourself on who the 'Govt' actually is....

Hint: You are using a vague and non-descriptive phrase to try and hammer home an assumed point that I am ignorant. (and therefore not deserving of further response.) This does not work because you are subscribing to a specific, possibly even personal definition of what constitutes "government" and why. You have not stated this nor provided any material which would indicate this. In short, you are asking me to blindly agree with what may be your personal definition (that I would heretofore have no way of even knowing) while insisting that my failure to initially do so makes me ignorant. Doesn't quite work that way, now if you wanted to provide some actual substance to that argument (showing you are working from a tangible definition of government you did not just make up for purposes of this conversation) which would illustrate said point, that'd be different. ;)


...and 'Why' the media not only went to town on 'Limbaugh' but 'Why' they made such a 'Big Deal' out of this story in the 1st place..?

Because he bald faced lied, for three days, on air, to shame a girl and make her feel subhuman because she apparently had the "audacity" to speak up with the men folk on contraception. It's being made a big deal because I and people like me are absolutely revolted by the man and this time he's pretty much crossed into outright slander. You think this stuff has no implications? Tell that to Dr. George Tiller, who was ruthlessly slandered on right wing radio until someone finally decided to gun him down in his church. I don't believe in laws against speech but I will absolutely vote with my dollars to take away any financial support from hate peddlers who are trying to instruct the nation on which group they should lynch mob next for daring to challenge Calvinist social norms.

If you wanted to actually give a further counter-argument you could do it with some substance that doesn't boil down to the inane rationalizations that left Rush's mouth when he realized the scandal wasn't going away and decided to make up a lame sounding conspiracy to somehow absolve himself of fault. Yes, sometimes people face repercussions from the things they say. Further, if you want to talk about lobbying groups that are a threat Media Matters is by far the most benign. No, let's talk about ALEC (http://alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed) which actually can be shown to send numerous bills to state legislatures to get rubber stamped by paid off politicians.

If you have some substance to your argument that is based on tangible evidence then by all means present it. However if you've only got hearsay then I hate to say it but Occam's razor would tend to indicate that it's most likely not a big deal regarding "Media Matters."


Once you can do that, I will be happy to converse with you...

You might not want to, but I tend to have high aspirations! ;D

It could be that I'm missing something as well but there's still the fact that AJ committed a most grievous error at the very very least. Something has to be done about this and just ignoring it is not good enough because if you don't challenge falsehood when you see it then you are not actually interested in truth, just in whatever supports your own confirmation bias. This means challenges must be made and accepted when there are points of contention. I'll fully admit to the possibility I could be very wrong at any point, but I don't back down until I see proof of it.


Hint: Forget about the Left/Right Paradigm and start focussing on the 'End-Game'...:)

I am, part of that rests on being relentless in pointing out the inconsistencies/fallacies within people's arguments or implied statements to get to the bottom of their actual message. If people aren't able to mount a good, intellectual defense of what they know (with evidence) as well as the full how/why they know it, then they don't really know it very well, now do they? ;p


The DailyKos(her) is no grassroots anything. It is zionist occupied territory. I was banned for opining on the brutality of the certain actors in Palestine and picked the wrong team. Grassroots and hasbara are very different realities. I know they consider themselves democrats, but there is no such things are political parties, only crime families. One for bleeding hearts and one for the heartless. The ziocrats rival the heartless when it comes to Palestine.

Got a link or any kind of proof to show what they banned you for was ridiculous? I'm interested.

P.S. if you want to accuse the website in its entirety of being Zionist you need more than that to back it up. You need to actually build a case of facts versus making an assumption because they banned you. I can (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/30/1079097/-IP-International-visits-to-Gaza-and-West-Bank-in-the-offing-) find (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/29/1078826/-Israel-s-Mistreatment-of-Minorities-Violates-International-Law) numerous (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/19/1075657/-Settler-Group-Gives-the-Game-Away-by-Complaining-too-Few-Palestinian-Homes-are-Demolished-) articles (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/12/1073616/-Israeli-attacks-kill-schoolboy-old-man-22-others) pointing (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/06/1081379/-Israel-Palestine-News) out (http://dailykos.com/story/2012/02/15/1064919/-A-Plea-to-the-World-from-the-Principal-of-a-Palestinian-School-about-to-be-Demolished) Israel's authoritarian folly on Kos, how is it a Zionist conspiracy again? If I can find this many critical of Israel posts this fast you need to do a little more to show what you're saying's true. :)


There is no freedom of speech at the DailyKosher, unless you speak hasbara. I learned this personally and it was an eye-opener. Like voting for Obama and getting the invertebrate that is in the WH now.

Real education sometimes leaves welts.

Freedom of Speech is a loaded term when used in this context, you have no freedom of speech in the private sector. Nor do I on this website. I accept that in fact I could be banned for making this very post that challenges these assumptions you've made for no other reason than it offends some people that I ask questions. (not that I'm saying they'd ever do that, but it's still technically possible) The admins, if they wanted to, could, because it's private property. The fact you keep flinging the loaded terminology of oppression into this seems to suggest that you're looking for a justification to hate DK because they banned you. Now, I could be entirely wrong here. But you're going to need to do a LOT better to convince me that this is an actual problem versus someone making something up to rationalize their past actions. Again, Occam's razor at work here. I've gone to the trouble of providing a substantiated counter-argument. I'd only appreciate if you could do the same in any future response. :)

I don't need to do anything to be entitled to my opinion and state it. Links and proof? I don't take homework assignments. They,DK, are what they are there and not accepting it is fine with me. Very different realities is a big part of this story and that is just how it is.

BTW, I don't hate DK. They just suck for me. Big deal.

[jackovesk]

Let me start off by saying, I have 'No' respect for Rush Limbaugh whatsover...:nono:

Well that already makes your response better than AJ's since you went so far as to say that and he minimized Rush's actions with his verbiage. Especially if there was a real story here, expert care should've been taken to make an initial statement of not just disagreement but outright disdain towards the content of Limbaugh's message. If you're smart enough to have researched the falseness of his remarks, and his history then you would take expert care to ensure that people saw your message about the "real story" and weren't distracted by you possibly say, seeming like you threw a towel of support to hate-radio. Again, Alex either did not do his research on the subject (because he would've pointed out Rush's lies if he had instead of parroting the Republican distortion of the facts) or he was lending moral support. Which is it? Incompetent or evil? You only get to pick one! ;p


Secondly, you really need to start educating yourself on who the 'Govt' actually is....

Hint: You are using a vague and non-descriptive phrase to try and hammer home an assumed point that I am ignorant. (and therefore not deserving of further response.) This does not work because you are subscribing to a specific, possibly even personal definition of what constitutes "government" and why. You have not stated this nor provided any material which would indicate this. In short, you are asking me to blindly agree with what may be your personal definition (that I would heretofore have no way of even knowing) while insisting that my failure to initially do so makes me ignorant. Doesn't quite work that way, now if you wanted to provide some actual substance to that argument (showing you are working from a tangible definition of government you did not just make up for purposes of this conversation) which would illustrate said point, that'd be different. ;)


...and 'Why' the media not only went to town on 'Limbaugh' but 'Why' they made such a 'Big Deal' out of this story in the 1st place..?

Because he bald faced lied, for three days, on air, to shame a girl and make her feel subhuman because she apparently had the "audacity" to speak up with the men folk on contraception. It's being made a big deal because I and people like me are absolutely revolted by the man and this time he's pretty much crossed into outright slander. You think this stuff has no implications? Tell that to Dr. George Tiller, who was ruthlessly slandered on right wing radio until someone finally decided to gun him down in his church. I don't believe in laws against speech but I will absolutely vote with my dollars to take away any financial support from hate peddlers who are trying to instruct the nation on which group they should lynch mob next for daring to challenge Calvinist social norms.

If you wanted to actually give a further counter-argument you could do it with some substance that doesn't boil down to the inane rationalizations that left Rush's mouth when he realized the scandal wasn't going away and decided to make up a lame sounding conspiracy to somehow absolve himself of fault. Yes, sometimes people face repercussions from the things they say. Further, if you want to talk about lobbying groups that are a threat Media Matters is by far the most benign. No, let's talk about ALEC (http://alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed) which actually can be shown to send numerous bills to state legislatures to get rubber stamped by paid off politicians.

If you have some substance to your argument that is based on tangible evidence then by all means present it. However if you've only got hearsay then I hate to say it but Occam's razor would tend to indicate that it's most likely not a big deal regarding "Media Matters."


Once you can do that, I will be happy to converse with you...

You might not want to, but I tend to have high aspirations! ;D

It could be that I'm missing something as well but there's still the fact that AJ committed a most grievous error at the very very least. Something has to be done about this and just ignoring it is not good enough because if you don't challenge falsehood when you see it then you are not actually interested in truth, just in whatever supports your own confirmation bias. This means challenges must be made and accepted when there are points of contention. I'll fully admit to the possibility I could be very wrong at any point, but I don't back down until I see proof of it.


Hint: Forget about the Left/Right Paradigm and start focussing on the 'End-Game'...:)

I am, part of that rests on being relentless in pointing out the inconsistencies/fallacies within people's arguments or implied statements to get to the bottom of their actual message. If people aren't able to mount a good, intellectual defense of what they know (with evidence) as well as the full how/why they know it, then they don't really know it very well, now do they? ;p


The DailyKos(her) is no grassroots anything. It is zionist occupied territory. I was banned for opining on the brutality of the certain actors in Palestine and picked the wrong team. Grassroots and hasbara are very different realities. I know they consider themselves democrats, but there is no such things are political parties, only crime families. One for bleeding hearts and one for the heartless. The ziocrats rival the heartless when it comes to Palestine.

Got a link or any kind of proof to show what they banned you for was ridiculous? I'm interested.

P.S. if you want to accuse the website in its entirety of being Zionist you need more than that to back it up. You need to actually build a case of facts versus making an assumption because they banned you. I can (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/30/1079097/-IP-International-visits-to-Gaza-and-West-Bank-in-the-offing-) find (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/29/1078826/-Israel-s-Mistreatment-of-Minorities-Violates-International-Law) numerous (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/19/1075657/-Settler-Group-Gives-the-Game-Away-by-Complaining-too-Few-Palestinian-Homes-are-Demolished-) articles (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/12/1073616/-Israeli-attacks-kill-schoolboy-old-man-22-others) pointing (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/06/1081379/-Israel-Palestine-News) out (http://dailykos.com/story/2012/02/15/1064919/-A-Plea-to-the-World-from-the-Principal-of-a-Palestinian-School-about-to-be-Demolished) Israel's authoritarian folly on Kos, how is it a Zionist conspiracy again? If I can find this many critical of Israel posts this fast you need to do a little more to show what you're saying's true. :)


There is no freedom of speech at the DailyKosher, unless you speak hasbara. I learned this personally and it was an eye-opener. Like voting for Obama and getting the invertebrate that is in the WH now.

Real education sometimes leaves welts.

Freedom of Speech is a loaded term when used in this context, you have no freedom of speech in the private sector. Nor do I on this website. I accept that in fact I could be banned for making this very post that challenges these assumptions you've made for no other reason than it offends some people that I ask questions. (not that I'm saying they'd ever do that, but it's still technically possible) The admins, if they wanted to, could, because it's private property. The fact you keep flinging the loaded terminology of oppression into this seems to suggest that you're looking for a justification to hate DK because they banned you. Now, I could be entirely wrong here. But you're going to need to do a LOT better to convince me that this is an actual problem versus someone making something up to rationalize their past actions. Again, Occam's razor at work here. I've gone to the trouble of providing a substantiated counter-argument. I'd only appreciate if you could do the same in any future response. :)

The username says it all for me (the_vast_mystery) indeed..? :pound:

I'll leave you with just 1 last statement on this debate "Freedom of Speech" is a 'God Given Right', you have exercised 'Your Right' to 'Free Speech' as have I...:)

You'll have to debate yourself with regard to this matter, because I'm about to use my 'Free Will' and end my participation in any further concurrence...

I have better things to do with my time...

Rgs,

Jack :wave:

[foreverfan]

No matter who says it, it's the same message.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t1u9gSTw3I

[Avocadess]

I first got exposed to Alex Jones quite a few years ago when I would hear him on a local pirate radio station here in Austin. In the early days there were times I just had to turn him off because I disagreed with his stances (anti-choice for abortion for instance -- and his claim back then that John Lennon was a part of the illuminaughty because of the song "Imagine"). Yet even so, I could separate the wheat from the chaff and I found things very worth listening to. I was SUPER bummed from 9/11 because I saw it so thick that I could cut it that 9/11 was going to be used as a reason for more war, and it sickened me so that killing all those innocent people was being used as a way to kill more people. (I'm putting it simplistically, but these were my feelings.) It was very "doom and gloom" in my vision of the future. But when I heard Alex Jones saying the things he was saying on the radio I KNEW that people with other views than what the Controllers wanted us to believe still had some free speech. It made me feel so HAPPY just knowing he existed and was spouting off his mouth -- even though I vehemently disagreed with some of his stances such as those two mentioned above.

Since then I believe I have seen him grow and mature (though I never have been an avid listener of his -- that is, rarely a regular listener). I also joined him with a group of Austinites to observe a court case about something that was important to me at the time (but which I cannot remember now what it was about), and I got to kind of "feel out" his vibe in person -- and I really do believe he is sincere, and has gotten more clarity nowadays. I am pretty sure his is still anti-choice for abortion, but I doubt he still believes that John Lennon line of thinking he promoted way back when. In fact, I have one friend who listens to him compulsively the past couple of years and she found it really hard to believe me that he ever said that -- but she also knows me well enough to know I'm a truthsayer. I told her not to worry about it -- he's gotten a lot of cool friends collecting over the years from the Austin musician community and NO DOUBT he's been set straight on that one, haha.

I believe he does serve a good purpose, but his "style" is a bit much for me to listen to all the time. I will say this, that if he is a double agent for any dark force I believe that HE sure doesn't know about it...!!!

[WEAREONE]

According to wikipedia I dont think AJ meets the definition. For those who have seen the video AJ did that uncovered the Bohemian Grove ceremonies it is hard to believe this man is attempting disinfo, heres a link for those who have not seen it. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-82095917705734983



"In espionage or military intelligence, disinformation is the deliberate spreading of false information to mislead an enemy as to one's position or course of action. In politics, disinformation is the deliberate attempt to deflect voter support of an opponent, disseminating false statements of innuendo based on the candidates vulnerabilities as revealed by opposition research. In both cases, it also includes the distortion of true information in such a way as to render it useless.
Disinformation may include distribution of forged documents, manuscripts, and photographs, or spreading malicious rumors and fabricated intelligence. Its techniques may also be found in commerce and government, used to try to undermine the position of a competitor."

[Mike Gorman]

The idea that Alex Jones is an Israeli disinfo-agent is laughable-i am frankly amazed this appears on P.Avalon
and how this is seemingly being so blithely accepted by the poster/s-as if it is a forgone conclusion-i wonder who is actually
the 'disinfo-Agent around here?
Alex may have his faults, but i think it is clear he is sincere, and a brilliant researcher