Ormus

[Eram]

Dear Avalon,

Recently My girlfriend and me had an experience or gift that was given to us by very loving beings from another planet. They themselves discribed the gift as the cleaning of our DNA. Someone here on Avalon described the experience to me as Shaktipat Kundalini which I find pretty accurate.

Some days ago someone else from this forum brought to my attention that there exists something called Ormus and he is using it, but he's relative new in the matter. http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/
I've been reading into the matter and after reading some personal log's of people who are using it, we believe that using this manna is having the same effects as the cleansing of our DNA that we experienced.
The first effects of this cleansing of DNA are now wearing out and we feel that we have changed as a person.
After getting to know Ormus we both feel the desire to start using this manna.
There are some points of concern to us though and I brought up the idea of bringing a small group of people together here on this forum, people who are experienced in using Ormus and people who also feel the desire to explore this 'speeding up the spiritual process'.
In short: We would like to have some guidance and share the experiences with other people who take this voyage.

Maybe we can set up a group in Avalon. I don't know how this works exactly, but my wish would be that this group is private, because there are probably things that people want to bring to attention that are sensitive in nature.

This is an invitation to Avalonians to form a group with both experienced people and starting people with Ormus.

Feel free to PM me.

kind regards,

Waky

[TargeT]

Some Ormus info:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37690-Egyptians-Spiritual-Elixir-White-Gold-White-Ormus-and-Shrewbread&p=393761&highlight=Ormus#post393761

Ormus is a trace element supplement (mostly) your intent and it's use may change the actual outcome (plecebo effect etc...)

I prefer a more complete supplement like that that Dr Wallach offers, however Ormus can be made "at home" and is significantly cheaper.
thread on that here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41572-Why-do-couch-potatoes-live-longer-than-athletes-Dr-Joel-Wallach


I do not think this substance is exactly what you think it is, however I know several people that use it and are very happy with what ever results they are getting.

[<8>]

Hi Wakytweaky..

So close and still so lost..

All you need is within you..

Have fun with your experiment...

..8..

[MacStar]

ozhare has a pretty vast knowledge in this area,I'll point him to the thread.

He made some for myself and I have used it on a chipped tooth and it certainly has rebuilt the damage.

I'll ask ozhare to contribute as he is more versed in the making and consumption/practical plant use of Ormes.

Thanks :)

[Setras]

the best quality ormus can be purchased here... they ae based in france and i have it on a personal recomendation.... it is a tad more expensive than other sites but the quality apparently speaks for itself...
http://www.orvive.fr/donneesormus.html

[Eram]

Hi Wakytweaky..

So close and still so lost..

All you need is within you..

Have fun with your experiment...

..8..

I would very much like to hear what your thoughts are on this subject <8>.

Intellectually I understand that everything is within us.
Does that have to lead to stop eating food? We can attract all that is necessary to us like the breathenarians do.
I can understand that what our little friends from far away did with us, we can do for ourselves, but I see that it would take me a long time to get to this point, maybe not even in this lifetime. I want to speed things up a little bit and I don't see harm in using a tool for that necessarily.

[markpierre]

This came up in a thread about 'living water'.

Just made a batch. I learned it here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MYR8GpaF9I

Barry Carter seems to be a great reference. http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/articles.htm

After a trip to the ocean for 50 liters of ocean water, this batch costs nothing. !2 liters of water nets about 600+ml of ormus.
Ocean water or dead sea salt. Can't substitute other types of salt evidently. Tried salt lake salt and Himalayan salt and got nothing. Dead sea salt is about $8-$12 for half a kilo.

After a purchase of a $19 ph meter, and some Sodium Hydroxide (common lye or caustic soda) from the hardware, it's costing me nothing to make. I go to the beach occasionally anyway.

It's just a superb way to get those minerals into a form instantly absorbed by the cells. Don't take it at night unless you don't mind if you don't sleep.

I have an acquaintance who has been obsessed with it for years. He pumps water from the ocean into large tanks and goes crazy with it.

He's 50, looks 30, and behaves like a 20 year old. When I remember my spoonful in the morning I always feel an increase in energy and clarity.

Some people claim to feel nothing.

Don't worry about not eating food, it's not a meaningful goal. Work on forgiveness and non judgement. Enjoy your food.

[TargeT]

Some people claim to feel nothing.
Don't worry about not eating food, it's not a meaningful goal. Work on forgiveness and non judgement. Enjoy your food.

I'm one of those, however one of my pasts girlfriends swears by it.

Luckily we are not all the same (how boring would THAT be!) so this is not a bad thing, IMO.

& I agree, the highest (positive) power we have is forgiveness & non-judgement goes hand in hand, the circle of health (mental and physical) encompasses manythings & this type of thinking is well with in the circle :)

[Russ1959]

Hi Waky, I am a daily Ormus user and thoroughly enjoy the benefits spiritually and physically.
The best uk supplier I have found to be http://www.exotic-elixirs.co.uk
Quite expensive compared to some but very potent!
When I bought my first bottle I tried the Tonic of St Clair which is a C3 Ormus and almost gave my pineal gland an erection if you excuse the expression!
I had planned to graduate to the St Germaine Ormus but decided to try from another supplier offering more volume for less money. That was from http://www.alchemicalelixirs.com in Australia.
I should have known better as it is much less potent! That particular supplier uses customer testimonials to
help sell his Ormus and offers freebies too but for me I was very disappointed and am reverting back to my original uk source.
Hope this helps Waky and good luck in your search.

Blessings

[Eram]

markpierre,

I don't intent to stop eating. I was trying to make a point.... but I failed :pout:
I used eating food as a metaphor to state that taking something from outside isn't necessary a bad thing.


btw: I intent to make the Ormus myself and put all my love, intention and energy in it.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Hi Waky, I am a daily Ormus user and thoroughly enjoy the benefits spiritually and physically.
The best uk supplier I have found to be http://www.exotic-elixirs.co.uk
Quite expensive compared to some but very potent!
When I bought my first bottle I tried the Tonic of St Clair which is a C3 Ormus and almost gave my pineal gland an erection if you excuse the expression!
I had planned to graduate to the St Germaine Ormus but decided to try from another supplier offering more volume for less money. That was from http://www.alchemicalelixirs.com in Australia.
I should have known better as it is much less potent! That particular supplier uses customer testimonials to
help sell his Ormus and offers freebies too but for me I was very disappointed and am reverting back to my original uk source.
Hope this helps Waky and good luck in your search.

Blessings

You are amazing! I've been scouring my internet histories on multiple computers looking for that website. I decided to take a break and found this post on Avalon. Thank you :D

[markpierre]

markpierre,

I don't intent to stop eating. I was trying to make a point.... but I failed :pout:
I used eating food as a metaphor to state that taking something from outside isn't necessary a bad thing.


btw: I intent to make the Ormus myself and put all my love, intention and energy in it.

Hey I was kidding. You know the effects of not nourishing yourself, nothing mystical about that. Have fun with it. I think you will.

[Russ1959]

You are most welcome Seikou~Kishi.
Just for the benefit of others reading this thread the Alchemist who makes the Ormus elixirs is
very gifted and offers a quantum healing service on a separate website:http://www.quantumhealing.org.uk.
I have used this service to help a friend who was in a very dark place and was oblivious to me doing so.
and have noticed an outstanding difference in my friends personality since the healing session was performed!
Blessings.

[meat suit]

great thread Waky,
I was going to start one soon but you beat me to it....
I make my Ormus currently from pink himalayan rock salt using the wet method... count me in with the group...


Hi Waky, I am a daily Ormus user and thoroughly enjoy the benefits spiritually and physically.
The best uk supplier I have found to be http://www.exotic-elixirs.co.uk
Quite expensive compared to some but very potent!
When I bought my first bottle I tried the Tonic of St Clair which is a C3 Ormus and almost gave my pineal gland an erection if you excuse the expression!
I had planned to graduate to the St Germaine Ormus but decided to try from another supplier offering more volume for less money. That was from http://www.alchemicalelixirs.com in Australia.
I should have known better as it is much less potent! That particular supplier uses customer testimonials to
help sell his Ormus and offers freebies too but for me I was very disappointed and am reverting back to my original uk source.
Hope this helps Waky and good luck in your search.

Blessings

hi Russ,
how does the stuff look? is it watery? or just the precipetate? quite pricey...
its so cheap to make, I dont think I can justify buying it there....maybe I should, for comparison...
we could send the stuff around among group members...
cheers

meat

[Russ1959]

Hi Meat Suit, the consistency was perhaps a little watery and not as salty as the Australian Ormus. The effect was absolutely instant!
My first sensation was almost like all the hairs on my head felt statically erect and I felt an instant warmth as if a big warm blanket of love wrapped itself around me.
I also felt as if my feet were wrapped in the softest of slippers and totally grounded to mother Earth. Of course it manifests much more but that would need a thread on it's own!
If your Ormus is as effective please get in touch!

Blessings

[Seikou-Kishi]

Hey Russ, have you tried their agricultural products (from Merlin Research)?

[Earth Angel]

I want that!!! I am a bit lost here, is this something you take regularly or is it some kind of high inducing magic water ?? and if you don't live by the sea can you still make it yourself somehow??



Hi Meat Suit, the consistency was perhaps a little watery and not as salty as the Australian Ormus. The effect was absolutely instant!
My first sensation was almost like all the hairs on my head felt statically erect and I felt an instant warmth as if a big warm blanket of love wrapped itself around me.
I also felt as if my feet were wrapped in the softest of slippers and totally grounded to mother Earth. Of course it manifests much more but that would need a thread on it's own!
If your Ormus is as effective please get in touch!

Blessings

[nearing]

Confused.

Ormus is some brand name for a salt?

[MacStar]

This came up in a thread about 'living water'.

Just made a batch. I learned it here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MYR8GpaF9I

Barry Carter seems to be a great reference. http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/articles.htm

After a trip to the ocean for 50 liters of ocean water, this batch costs nothing. !2 liters of water nets about 600+ml of ormus.
Ocean water or dead sea salt. Can't substitute other types of salt evidently. Tried salt lake salt and Himalayan salt and got nothing. Dead sea salt is about $8-$12 for half a kilo.

After a purchase of a $19 ph meter, and some Sodium Hydroxide (common lye or caustic soda) from the hardware, it's costing me nothing to make. I go to the beach occasionally anyway.

It's just a superb way to get those minerals into a form instantly absorbed by the cells. Don't take it at night unless you don't mind if you don't sleep.

I have an acquaintance who has been obsessed with it for years. He pumps water from the ocean into large tanks and goes crazy with it.

He's 50, looks 30, and behaves like a 20 year old. When I remember my spoonful in the morning I always feel an increase in energy and clarity.

Some people claim to feel nothing.

Don't worry about not eating food, it's not a meaningful goal. Work on forgiveness and non judgement. Enjoy your food.

THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!!!!!!!


I want that!!! I am a bit lost here, is this something you take regularly or is it some kind of high inducing magic water ?? and if you don't live by the sea can you still make it yourself somehow??

Refer to Barry Carter's work and markpierre's post.....come on OZHARE!!!!



Hi Meat Suit, the consistency was perhaps a little watery and not as salty as the Australian Ormus. The effect was absolutely instant!
My first sensation was almost like all the hairs on my head felt statically erect and I felt an instant warmth as if a big warm blanket of love wrapped itself around me.
I also felt as if my feet were wrapped in the softest of slippers and totally grounded to mother Earth. Of course it manifests much more but that would need a thread on it's own!
If your Ormus is as effective please get in touch!

Blessings

Sound right to me.
Also WPG,research that via Carter.

OZHARE you there mate?


Confused.

Ormus is some brand name for a salt?

Check out the links in markpierre's post and make it yourself,it's an energetic and somewhat personal thing.

ozhare went to a Barry Carter conference,he know's a hell of a lot on this.

Dowsing is something needed to ensure a quality product.

Try to find "Letter to Robin"

In the meantime I will try to find it on my HDD and post it.

Cheers

[meat suit]

this guy Sadaka is making and selling Ormus in the US, as well as being into other groovy stuff...
here is his vid from today http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAJOmMPWkqs&feature=g-u-u&context=G299bdb1FUAAAAAAAAAA
about half way through he talks about the effect of Orgonite on Ormus.....
have a look around his channel, there are a few other interesting vids.

[TargeT]

Confused.

Ormus is some brand name for a salt?


I want that!!! I am a bit lost here, is this something you take regularly or is it some kind of high inducing magic water ?? and if you don't live by the sea can you still make it yourself somehow??




Really this thread has indepth coverage of Ormus, it's potential origins & some video testimony from users, it should answer all your questions:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37690-Egyptians-Spiritual-Elixir-White-Gold-White-Ormus-and-Shrewbread&p=393761&highlight=Ormus#post393761

Ormus, also known as ORMEs (Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Elements) is single atoms of metals (generaly gold, silver etc..) that has special properties,, see the above thread for a more historical account or you can read here:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/ORMUS for a good synopsis.

[Russ1959]

Hey Russ, have you tried their agricultural products (from Merlin Research)?

Interesting, will check them out!

Thanks Seikou-Kishi

Russ

[Firinn]

... decided to try from another supplier offering more volume for less money. That was from http://www.alchemicalelixirs.com in Australia.
I should have known better as it is much less potent! ...

I understand Ormus is very sensitive to EMF. In travelling from the other side of the planet it will undoubtedly be irradiated a number of times in the process. I wonder if this caused that batch to be rendered less effective? Was the Ormus packaged with adequate EMF shielding?

[Russ1959]

... decided to try from another supplier offering more volume for less money. That was from http://www.alchemicalelixirs.com in Australia.
I should have known better as it is much less potent! ...

I understand Ormus is very sensitive to EMF. In travelling from the other side of the planet it will undoubtedly be irradiated a number of times in the process. I wonder if this caused that batch to be rendered less effective? Was the Ormus packaged with adequate EMF shielding?

Thank you Firinn, yes it was carefully wrapped in silver foil which I believe

Is normal procedure.

Ruds

[Firinn]

Thank you for confirming Ruds.

[TargeT]

... decided to try from another supplier offering more volume for less money. That was from http://www.alchemicalelixirs.com in Australia.
I should have known better as it is much less potent! ...

I understand Ormus is very sensitive to EMF. In travelling from the other side of the planet it will undoubtedly be irradiated a number of times in the process. I wonder if this caused that batch to be rendered less effective? Was the Ormus packaged with adequate EMF shielding?

mine came in an antistatic bag with instructions to keep it safe from EMF's

[Eram]

Thank you all for the reply.

After discussing it some more, me and my partner have decided not to use the Ormus.
After tuning into it we feel that the process that was started by our friends from the other world is far from over and can last for the rest of our lifes. We just have to nourish it every day and then everything will happen accordingly.
I do feel a strong hunger for this Ormus though ;), but I'm not going to follow up on it.

Thanks all so much!

[Rantaak]

Thank you all for the reply.

After discussing it some more, me and my partner have decided not to use the Ormus.
After tuning into it we feel that the process that was started by our friends from the other world is far from over and can last for the rest of our lifes. We just have to nourish it every day and then everything will happen accordingly.
I do feel a strong hunger for this Ormus though ;), but I'm not going to follow up on it.

Thanks all so much!

A wise inclination, I believe. About eight months ago, I discovered an entirely different form of "Mana" that could be imbibed as a vaporized neurotransmitter. The effects were instantaneous and basically resulted in catapulting my spiritual inclinations by forcing the vibrational level of my pineal gland to absurdly high levels for about 15 minutes. I went very deep into other dimensions and vibrations and made contact with countless entities who showed me scintillating non-euclidean geometry which mutated in ways that completely blew my mind, while giving me an extremely abstract conceptualization of seemingly disparate energetic relationships that are emergent of existence itself, lending me a deep understanding of all things and the wholeness of it all. I made contact with the dead and now share their energetic bodies. I even made contact with my higher self during a particularly potent episode - a whirling multicolored smoke of fractalline curves and ubiquitous form, sometimes glistening, covered in hundreds of eyes that look just like mine. I got to ask it many questions; "What am I?" "What will I do?" "Which way is forward" "What is love? (baby, don't hurt me... don't hurt me... no more)" and many more. These answers are now deeply embedded in my subconscious, where I helplessly act on them without conscious effort. Constant oblivious intuition is one of the primary side effects of these journeys. The path of my seeking continues to pour itself onto my lap, as I become the way of water. This was foretold by a Priestess of Metaphysics when I was about nine years old as a powerful and succinct omen - the Water Dragon.

Like you, after about two months of intense journeying I stopped feeling the need to take the "Mana," as it seemed that my brain or consciousness had learned how to produce it on my own, directly in my body. It's been about eight months or so and I haven't since felt the inclination to imbibe. Why would I need to?

It's kind of like in the movie Limitless. A guy finds a drug that gives him on-demand higher self access. Eventually, through many trials and tribulations, he realizes that he IS his higher self and he no longer requires the drug for his powers.

[MacStar]

The Spirit Molecule.....no words can describe.

[Avocadess]

Ormus NATURALLY occurs in raw wild spring water from the source -- and is also in the gel of fresh aloe vera leaves. I learned about this from David Avocado Wolfe. Spring water ROCKS...! I have learned that Ormus is a levitational energy/substance that defies gravity. It is how sap RISES in trees, and how springs climb UP mountains. Ormus is like the "ethereal" component to solid minerals such as those in the Periodic Table of the Elements. Avocado discovered that when he took with him some Ormus Gold he had made on a plane trip that after it went through the X-ray machine it turned back to the solid form of gold...! (Another reason, he says, that we end up with heavy metals in our bodies -- from X-ray radiation transmuting the ormus in our bodies to solid matter!)

[Cilka]

The Spirit Molecule.....no words can describe.

After reading the book, I really want to get hold of the stuff. With my luck I bet that on my first trip I would encounter some huge spiders on the way or something like that, of course I would probably poop in my pants. These past few months I have realized how beautiful our reality is. I always knew there was magic around us. Our amazing universes. We are just so bloody lucky.

[MacStar]

The Spirit Molecule.....no words can describe.

After reading the book, I really want to get hold of the stuff. With my luck I bet that on my first trip I would encounter some huge spiders on the way or something like that, of course I would probably poop in my pants. These past few months I have realized how beautiful our reality is. I always knew there was magic around us. Our amazing universes. We are just so bloody lucky.

Some research will yield natural sources high in said molecule ;)

I dunno,poop doesn't really come into the equation LOL...Giant Mantis aren't that scarey,actually they are quite interested to meet you.

[Rantaak]

The Spirit Molecule.....no words can describe.

After reading the book, I really want to get hold of the stuff. With my luck I bet that on my first trip I would encounter some huge spiders on the way or something like that, of course I would probably poop in my pants. These past few months I have realized how beautiful our reality is. I always knew there was magic around us. Our amazing universes. We are just so bloody lucky.

It's extremely easy to make.

[Russ1959]

Ormus NATURALLY occurs in raw wild spring water from the source -- and is also in the gel of fresh aloe vera leaves. I learned about this from David Avocado Wolfe. Spring water ROCKS...! I have learned that Ormus is a levitational energy/substance that defies gravity. It is how sap RISES in trees, and how springs climb UP mountains. Ormus is like the "ethereal" component to solid minerals such as those in the Periodic Table of the Elements. Avocado discovered that when he took with him some Ormus Gold he had made on a plane trip that after it went through the X-ray machine it turned back to the solid form of gold...! (Another reason, he says, that we end up with heavy metals in our bodies -- from X-ray radiation transmuting the ormus in our bodies to solid matter!)

Thank you Avocadess,

I am an avid admirer of David Wolfe so here is a link to the man himself for those who don't know him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=limuceuYOrs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBUmVBFc5TQ&feature=relmfu

Blessings

[Russ1959]

Hey Russ, have you tried their agricultural products (from Merlin Research)?

Interesting, will check them out!

Thanks Seikou-Kishi

Russ

The products from Merlin Research are from the same supplier www.exotic-elixirs.co.uk except the Merlin products are for growing

Ormus based plants.

In other words the Sea water used for human Ormus is boiled for 20 minutes first, all glassware is hot-washed and freshly-distilled water is used for all reagents, procedures and precipitate-washing. None of that happens with MERLIN which is made outside in 50L brewing bins with tap-water washing.

I don’t suppose it would kill you but I would NOT be recomminding you take it..!

Blessings

Russ

[Eram]

Ormus NATURALLY occurs in raw wild spring water from the source -- and is also in the gel of fresh aloe vera leaves. I learned about this from David Avocado Wolfe. Spring water ROCKS...! I have learned that Ormus is a levitational energy/substance that defies gravity. It is how sap RISES in trees, and how springs climb UP mountains. Ormus is like the "ethereal" component to solid minerals such as those in the Periodic Table of the Elements. Avocado discovered that when he took with him some Ormus Gold he had made on a plane trip that after it went through the X-ray machine it turned back to the solid form of gold...! (Another reason, he says, that we end up with heavy metals in our bodies -- from X-ray radiation transmuting the ormus in our bodies to solid matter!)

This rises the question about the real purpose of the X-ray machines on the airports. Looks like they are created mostly to change the natural Ormus we have in us into (heavy) metals in order to bring/keep us in a spiritual sleep.

[vipersocks]

Hi Waky, I am a daily Ormus user and thoroughly enjoy the benefits spiritually and physically.
The best uk supplier I have found to be http://www.exotic-elixirs.co.uk
Quite expensive compared to some but very potent!
When I bought my first bottle I tried the Tonic of St Clair which is a C3 Ormus and almost gave my pineal gland an erection if you excuse the expression!
I had planned to graduate to the St Germaine Ormus but decided to try from another supplier offering more volume for less money. That was from http://www.alchemicalelixirs.com in Australia.
I should have known better as it is much less potent! That particular supplier uses customer testimonials to
help sell his Ormus and offers freebies too but for me I was very disappointed and am reverting back to my original uk source.
Hope this helps Waky and good luck in your search.

Blessings

I have known Russ, my finest friend for at least a quarter of a century now :o Though we lost touch whilst I was bringing up my son for some 15 years.

Do not doubt the power of "ormus" folks.

The first time I was introduced to it, I felt like I was being hugged by my soul mate and felt my whole being uplifted to a new state/dimension, whilst feeling a great warmth and total happiness and an incredible awareness of self and all things :-)

Try it, you might like it.

It certainly won't harm you:o

Many thanks,

Simon

[Cilka]

The Spirit Molecule.....no words can describe.

After reading the book, I really want to get hold of the stuff. With my luck I bet that on my first trip I would encounter some huge spiders on the way or something like that, of course I would probably poop in my pants. These past few months I have realized how beautiful our reality is. I always knew there was magic around us. Our amazing universes. We are just so bloody lucky.

Some research will yield natural sources high in said molecule ;)

I dunno,poop doesn't really come into the equation LOL...Giant Mantis aren't that scarey,actually they are quite interested to meet you.

I bet that they, Giant Mantis, would be interested to meet anyone. They just would be a bit scary. In my dream a few years back, I was trying to get a huge spider off my shoulder, well, instead of doing it while dreaming only, I actually did that in my bed physically and could actually see the black icky thing crawling on my shoulder. In the process of trying to get it off of me I pulled a muscle in my neck and immediately threw up. It took weeks for the muscle to heal, I could not move at all, I could barely make a phone call to my boss at work that day, I actually had to push my body with force across the floor to get to the phone, could not bathe or eat, going to the bathroom, I won't even go there, it was just pure hell. I am not sure if I was taking a stroll in another dimensional neighbourhood and this black thing decided to crawl on me, but since then I really dont like fuzzy looking things. Mantis is a hair-free critter, so I guess I could handle that.

There is a guy in the US who sells frogs that produce this DMT molecule in high concentrations. The problem is that shipping a live frog across the border would cause a slight problem. And my pineal gland does not produce enough of it during daylight.

[Cilka]

The Spirit Molecule.....no words can describe.

After reading the book, I really want to get hold of the stuff. With my luck I bet that on my first trip I would encounter some huge spiders on the way or something like that, of course I would probably poop in my pants. These past few months I have realized how beautiful our reality is. I always knew there was magic around us. Our amazing universes. We are just so bloody lucky.

It's extremely easy to make.

If it was that easy to make I would make it myself. Is there a recipe on the net somewhere? I am aware that this is a natural chemical that every living creature has.

[M6*]

Hi MacStar!

I would like to hear more about what you mean by "rebuilt the damage" concerning your tooth.
I probably have a tooth, or two, that could use some "damage control" :-) M6*

[MacStar]

The Spirit Molecule.....no words can describe.

After reading the book, I really want to get hold of the stuff. With my luck I bet that on my first trip I would encounter some huge spiders on the way or something like that, of course I would probably poop in my pants. These past few months I have realized how beautiful our reality is. I always knew there was magic around us. Our amazing universes. We are just so bloody lucky.

Some research will yield natural sources high in said molecule ;)

I dunno,poop doesn't really come into the equation LOL...Giant Mantis aren't that scarey,actually they are quite interested to meet you.

I bet that they, Giant Mantis, would be interested to meet anyone. They just would be a bit scary. In my dream a few years back, I was trying to get a huge spider off my shoulder, well, instead of doing it while dreaming only, I actually did that in my bed physically and could actually see the black icky thing crawling on my shoulder. In the process of trying to get it off of me I pulled a muscle in my neck and immediately threw up. It took weeks for the muscle to heal, I could not move at all, I could barely make a phone call to my boss at work that day, I actually had to push my body with force across the floor to get to the phone, could not bathe or eat, going to the bathroom, I won't even go there, it was just pure hell. I am not sure if I was taking a stroll in another dimensional neighbourhood and this black thing decided to crawl on me, but since then I really dont like fuzzy looking things. Mantis is a hair-free critter, so I guess I could handle that.

There is a guy in the US who sells frogs that produce this DMT molecule in high concentrations. The problem is that shipping a live frog across the border would cause a slight problem. And my pineal gland does not produce enough of it during daylight.

Wow,interesting experience indeed!!
Although with the last sentence, you might want to check this link:
http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/otherendo/pineal.html
With the Chemtrails and winter months,Melatonin is the culprit,so research that area.

Ummoh yeah,the Toads LOL, yeah we have similar toads here in Aus.They were introduced to combat the cane beetle.They are a big problem here.
gYUHnf7Uy1k

Nah we're not all like that ;)

DMT is N,N Dimethyltryptamine,but the Toads are a little different in that they contain 5-MEO Dimethyltryptamine and Bufotenine 5-HO-Dimethyltryptamine amongst other chemicals dependant on the species.

From the same Movie:
gn_ruZT_d2A

This actually does happen here!

Similar compounds can also be found in various grasses and seeds from various trees.Yopo is used by the Venezualan Shaman and similar preparations are used by other indigenous peoples in other areas around the world.
The effects are obviously going to be different to pure DMT as is the toxicology,so you really do need to know you stuff.Even with extractions as solvents can be left behind.
Certainly not endrosing the use of these powerful Psychoactives as even when taken "safely",there should ALWAYS be an experienced sitter,the set and setting rules must be observed...and there is always the chance of an "intrusion" during the journey from the physical body.
The other thing with any of these Hallucinogens,is there is always a chance one might find it difficult to integrate the experience into the "normal" waking life.This is apparent with people who have flashbacks.
This is why I would recommend being with a Shaman.
Seen the Bruce Parry Series-Going Tribal?
It's on YooToob and a really good series.
Shamans of the Amazon is a must too.





The Spirit Molecule.....no words can describe.

After reading the book, I really want to get hold of the stuff. With my luck I bet that on my first trip I would encounter some huge spiders on the way or something like that, of course I would probably poop in my pants. These past few months I have realized how beautiful our reality is. I always knew there was magic around us. Our amazing universes. We are just so bloody lucky.

It's extremely easy to make.

If it was that easy to make I would make it myself. Is there a recipe on the net somewhere? I am aware that this is a natural chemical that every living creature has.

Search and ye will find,bearing in mind the legal status depending on where you live.
Erowid,DMT Nexus,http://forums.ayahuasca.com/
Observe what I have written above on the safety issues.Like all spiritual journeys,care must be taken for the physical and psychological bodies and these tribes have been at it since before the dawn of the "People's front of Judea" ;)


Hi MacStar!

I would like to hear more about what you mean by "rebuilt the damage" concerning your tooth.
I probably have a tooth, or two, that could use some "damage control" :-) M6*

Hi M6* :)
Obviously stay away from tap water and Fluoridated toothpaste!
Here's something interesting!
15619

I've been trying to get ozhare to contribute but I know he's a busy man,hopefully he'll share his method,experiences and mixtures etc.
For myself,he made up an Ormes precipitate in suspension of a mix of Himalayan,Dead Sea and Celtic salts using the wet method and sent me some.
He made it up as an "all rounder",not specific for anything in particular,so I mixed some with pure water and sprayed some plants with it.These plants then became frost resistant compared to those I didn't spray.
This was kind of like a "mother" to be further refined as it contained quite a large amount of Magnesium Sulphate(I think?)...swallowed, it is very salty and makes ya poop anyway ;)
Basically I used as is dripped onto my toothbrush and that's all I did!

In saying that,some of his first preps were made from sea water,which seem to be good with plants and the fungi that help absorb the nutrients.In essence it can really help restore the soil as a conditioner.
Fungi is everything to us :)

As for doses,from memory he said when you start to hear a tone in your head,that's about the dose.

Be safe :)

Cheers

[Cilka]

The Spirit Molecule.....no words can describe.

After reading the book, I really want to get hold of the stuff. With my luck I bet that on my first trip I would encounter some huge spiders on the way or something like that, of course I would probably poop in my pants. These past few months I have realized how beautiful our reality is. I always knew there was magic around us. Our amazing universes. We are just so bloody lucky.

Some research will yield natural sources high in said molecule ;)

I dunno,poop doesn't really come into the equation LOL...Giant Mantis aren't that scarey,actually they are quite interested to meet you.

I bet that they, Giant Mantis, would be interested to meet anyone. They just would be a bit scary. In my dream a few years back, I was trying to get a huge spider off my shoulder, well, instead of doing it while dreaming only, I actually did that in my bed physically and could actually see the black icky thing crawling on my shoulder. In the process of trying to get it off of me I pulled a muscle in my neck and immediately threw up. It took weeks for the muscle to heal, I could not move at all, I could barely make a phone call to my boss at work that day, I actually had to push my body with force across the floor to get to the phone, could not bathe or eat, going to the bathroom, I won't even go there, it was just pure hell. I am not sure if I was taking a stroll in another dimensional neighbourhood and this black thing decided to crawl on me, but since then I really dont like fuzzy looking things. Mantis is a hair-free critter, so I guess I could handle that.

There is a guy in the US who sells frogs that produce this DMT molecule in high concentrations. The problem is that shipping a live frog across the border would cause a slight problem. And my pineal gland does not produce enough of it during daylight.

Wow,interesting experience indeed!!
Although with the last sentence, you might want to check this link:
http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/otherendo/pineal.html
With the Chemtrails and winter months,Melatonin is the culprit,so research that area.

Ummoh yeah,the Toads LOL, yeah we have similar toads here in Aus.They were introduced to combat the cane beetle.They are a big problem here.
gYUHnf7Uy1k

Nah we're not all like that ;)

DMT is N,N Dimethyltryptamine,but the Toads are a little different in that they contain 5-MEO Dimethyltryptamine and Bufotenine 5-HO-Dimethyltryptamine amongst other chemicals dependant on the species.

From the same Movie:
gn_ruZT_d2A

This actually does happen here!

Similar compounds can also be found in various grasses and seeds from various trees.Yopo is used by the Venezualan Shaman and similar preparations are used by other indigenous peoples in other areas around the world.
The effects are obviously going to be different to pure DMT as is the toxicology,so you really do need to know you stuff.Even with extractions as solvents can be left behind.
Certainly not endrosing the use of these powerful Psychoactives as even when taken "safely",there should ALWAYS be an experienced sitter,the set and setting rules must be observed...and there is always the chance of an "intrusion" during the journey from the physical body.
The other thing with any of these Hallucinogens,is there is always a chance one might find it difficult to integrate the experience into the "normal" waking life.This is apparent with people who have flashbacks.
This is why I would recommend being with a Shaman.
Seen the Bruce Parry Series-Going Tribal?
It's on YooToob and a really good series.
Shamans of the Amazon is a must too.





The Spirit Molecule.....no words can describe.

After reading the book, I really want to get hold of the stuff. With my luck I bet that on my first trip I would encounter some huge spiders on the way or something like that, of course I would probably poop in my pants. These past few months I have realized how beautiful our reality is. I always knew there was magic around us. Our amazing universes. We are just so bloody lucky.

It's extremely easy to make.

If it was that easy to make I would make it myself. Is there a recipe on the net somewhere? I am aware that this is a natural chemical that every living creature has.

Search and ye will find,bearing in mind the legal status depending on where you live.
Erowid,DMT Nexus,http://forums.ayahuasca.com/
Observe what I have written above on the safety issues.Like all spiritual journeys,care must be taken for the physical and psychological bodies and these tribes have been at it since before the dawn of the "People's front of Judea" ;)


Hi MacStar!

I would like to hear more about what you mean by "rebuilt the damage" concerning your tooth.
I probably have a tooth, or two, that could use some "damage control" :-) M6*

Hi M6* :)
Obviously stay away from tap water and Fluoridated toothpaste!
Here's something interesting!
15619

I've been trying to get ozhare to contribute but I know he's a busy man,hopefully he'll share his method,experiences and mixtures etc.
For myself,he made up an Ormes precipitate in suspension of a mix of Himalayan,Dead Sea and Celtic salts using the wet method and sent me some.
He made it up as an "all rounder",not specific for anything in particular,so I mixed some with pure water and sprayed some plants with it.These plants then became frost resistant compared to those I didn't spray.
This was kind of like a "mother" to be further refined as it contained quite a large amount of Magnesium Sulphate(I think?)...swallowed, it is very salty and makes ya poop anyway ;)
Basically I used as is dripped onto my toothbrush and that's all I did!

In saying that,some of his first preps were made from sea water,which seem to be good with plants and the fungi that help absorb the nutrients.In essence it can really help restore the soil as a conditioner.
Fungi is everything to us :)

As for doses,from memory he said when you start to hear a tone in your head,that's about the dose.

Be safe :)

Cheers

You are one lucky guy, you have DMT running around in your backyard. Yes, the DMT is slightly different in the toads, but it's free, it works almost the same and is available to be picked up in your backyard. Look at the dog, he was not complaining, so what is your problem? JUST KIDDING. I think that dog was soooo cute, he sure made me laugh, even he got addicted to the feeling of being in heaven, even if it is for a short time.

Thanks for the info, I will look into the melatonin stuff. I did look at mimosa hostilis root bark, but what turned me off was the solvent Bestine. It's too toxic and i dont think it's worth messing up my body, especially when I am just finishing a major detox. I used to have my own distilation apparatus, and I got rid of it a few years back, I used to work in a lab. I sure did not learn about this stuff in school; if I did school would have been more interesting that's for sure. DMT is different, it does not last long and is broken down in the body quickly. That's why it is the only thing I would be willing to try. By the way, I tried shamanism, but I gave it up. There are a few people here who teach it, but they are not real shaman and just because someone took a course on shamanism does not mean that they are one. I will look at those videos as you suggested.

In regards to something that supposes to rebuilt the enamel, have you heard of MI paste? I had an issue with an extremely sensitive tooth last year, and I mean it was sooo sensitive that nothing helped the pain. I looked up MI paste on the internet, the product is made in Australia but I managed to order it from US. And it actually works and I only have to use the paste once a week. By the way, dont get the paste with fluoride, you can get one without it, and also, if you are alergic to milk then this product is not for you. M6 was inquiring about this, I think. Hopefully he will read this thread.

Thanks again. In my early 20's I went backpacking to Australia for 6 months. Too bad I did not know about the frog then. I am late for everything.

[Eram]

Ormus NATURALLY occurs in raw wild spring water from the source -- and is also in the gel of fresh aloe vera leaves. I learned about this from David Avocado Wolfe. Spring water ROCKS...! I have learned that Ormus is a levitational energy/substance that defies gravity. It is how sap RISES in trees, and how springs climb UP mountains. Ormus is like the "ethereal" component to solid minerals such as those in the Periodic Table of the Elements. Avocado discovered that when he took with him some Ormus Gold he had made on a plane trip that after it went through the X-ray machine it turned back to the solid form of gold...! (Another reason, he says, that we end up with heavy metals in our bodies -- from X-ray radiation transmuting the ormus in our bodies to solid matter!)

Makes sense doesn't it?
Everywhere people, especially old people will tell you to get your water from a spring and not from tap water. It's no myth!
The old folks are no fools. In our little community old people speak of it matter of factly. When they feel the need to work on their health, they walk for about 2 miles to a spring in the Hills at a little church where they get spring water.

yesterday we went up there and took about 10 gallons of that water and we will get our water there for ever now.
never drink tap water again :)

Drunvalo Melchizedek has explained that the water from the tap, when you look at it real close, has the same characteristics as water in the body that is surrounding an area with a disease. It has to do with the water running trough metal pipes I think.

From now on. Spring water for us!
Thanks Avocadess

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg543/scaled.php?server=543&filename=dsc03292g.jpg&res=landing

[meat suit]

nice spring Wakey!

here is a great story about water http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taQUrkB0nPQ&list=FLGqlbs_OJB_b3OPB0x_3WbQ&index=59&feature=plpp_video

and here is 'Willards Water' ........ I suspect that this is Ormus too.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gu8FI1ofO8&list=FLGqlbs_OJB_b3OPB0x_3WbQ&index=38&feature=plpp_video

cheers

meat

[Eram]

nice spring Wakey!

here is a great story about water http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taQUrkB0nPQ&list=FLGqlbs_OJB_b3OPB0x_3WbQ&index=59&feature=plpp_video

and here is 'Willards Water' ........ I suspect that this is Ormus too.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gu8FI1ofO8&list=FLGqlbs_OJB_b3OPB0x_3WbQ&index=38&feature=plpp_video

cheers

meat

Thanks meat!

This is so interesting! I looked at the first of 8 parts of the first link and will look at all the others soon.
recording information into water explained by scientists.
What a wonderful world we live in.

So giving love and gratitude to water before drinking does change the way it behaves. We do this sometimes already, but will increase this now.

[MacStar]

Thanks all so far,this last link lead to another I would like to share as I find it very reasonable:

yx3QmwI1caU

Cheers

:)

and of course now listening to this!

Vzm6burVwQc

So far I can relate as I have a very close affinity to Myclogy...the most important organism in regards to water,nature,dowsing....the cavity structure of these fungi are Ormus emitting foods by nature....maybe even "Aliens" hidden in plain sight like Mckenna proposes.

The rest fits in with Ormus ;)

[Trail]

I am going to make my own ormus according to the wet method.

I have ordered 1kg dead sea salt.
500g of food-grade NaOH lye.
10 liters of distilled water.

Waiting for everything to arrive, meanwhile i'm hunting big glass jar's with lids and big seringes to siphon of water when washing.

Will keep everyone posted.
~Trail.

[meat suit]

very good Trail,
make sure you wear gloves and goggles when you play with lye!

I tried dead sea salt just now by itself and didnt get much of a reaction...I think there isnt much magnesium in there...
so, just made a batch with seawater (loads of magnesium) and added dead sea salt to that...great harvest...
I no longer bother with distilled water, and just use bottled springwater...may change back once I built a larger distiller...

cheers

meat

[Trail]

very good Trail,
make sure you wear gloves and goggles when you play with lye!

I tried dead sea salt just now by itself and didnt get much of a reaction...I think there isnt much magnesium in there...
so, just made a batch with seawater (loads of magnesium) and added dead sea salt to that...great harvest...
I no longer bother with distilled water, and just use bottled springwater...may change back once I built a larger distiller...

cheers

meat

I have no gloves or goggles but the first thing i'll do is make a lye solution wich i'll be using with a squirt bottle instead of working with the NaOH granules directly. 2tps lye on a cup of distilled water or so.

About different source materials,
On this page there's a table of yields from different sources:
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/ormus/ormus4.htm

Why are you interested in the magnesium content?
I think i will purify my yield by -removing- magnesium.

Technique for removing magnesium is explained here:
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/dss_ormus.htm

~Trail.

[Trail]

Found and got me two ~5 liter glass 'weckpot' type of bottles:
http://store.gepu.nl/custom/artikelFoto/5363320.jpg

They can be airsealed, thus can be shaken.

Still need a way to siphon off the top layer of water.
People have commented that using a seringe or turkey baster is not ideal.
Thinking of using an small aquarium hose and suck it off that way, but it needs to be able to resist an alkaline solution.
I'm also wondering about the possibility to create a small tap on the glass itself and getting it watertight and alkaline proof.

Anyway my lil ormus project is still going strong :)

~Trail.

[meat suit]

from wet method:

(For the following methods to work, some researchers claim that magnesium or magnesium hydroxide -- Mg(OH)2 -- must be present in the starting material. (Since the Boiling Gold method is effective without any magnesium, this claim will need to be tested.) Sea water already has Mg(OH)2, so you don't need to add it to sea water. Try your water first. If you don't get any precipitate, you might add a teaspoon per gallon of Epsom salts to the starting material for its magnesium. If you do add Epsom salts, the magnesium from them will be a large portion of the precipitate.)

I know you can loose the mag. afterwards, but I understand that you want it initially to help the precipitation.

[Trail]

I know you can loose the mag. afterwards, but I understand that you want it initially to help the precipitation.
Ah thanks for explaining.

Received my 500grams of food-grade NaOH today.

Waiting for the sea salt and water, expecting those tomorrow.

Wondering when would be the best astrological time to create the ormus.
Maybe on a new moon? Does anyone here have some information on this?

~Trail.

[MacStar]

I know you can loose the mag. afterwards, but I understand that you want it initially to help the precipitation.
Ah thanks for explaining.

Received my 500grams of food-grade NaOH today.

Waiting for the sea salt and water, expecting those tomorrow.

Wondering when would be the best astrological time to create the ormus.
Maybe on a new moon? Does anyone here have some information on this?

~Trail.

Good stuff Trail!

Well,ozhare used many methods and went quite deep into this.
Going from memory I recall him saying he did the prep 3 days before the Full Moon and then energized it on the Full Moon.
He also studied and used the methods for dowsing here:
http://www.raymongraceprojects.com/pdf/LearningToDowse.pdf to aid in defining the materials,timing..basically anything you want to "ask" about the process including any further refining and potency.

It seems each "wet-salt" has it's forte's depending on what you intend on using it for.Dead Sea Salt has a very wide content of many salts.
As mentioned above Himilayan,Dead Sea and Celtic mixed seem to be a good mix but it all depends on your intended use.

Dowse everything!

ozhare even drew up or printed some sacred geometry,placed a under glass sheet to place the jar on and used that for the energizing process to implant the intent.Many other adaptations can be used,even a photograph of someone you wish to treat.The sky is the limit so get creative :)

As for the Lye,make sure you add the Lye to the water not the other way around and it is advisable to use a container that is twice as large as the volume of the water in a well ventilated area..it will cause an exothermic reaction and can become hot quite rapidly,so probably best to make up first and use small batches of water/lye mix and then carefully drip this into the solution.Cold water is best to use,maybe even refrigerate it first.Never add to hot water.
Always use gloves and wear protective/easily removable clothing and goggles.Have vinegar and water close by....this stuff will turn your skin into soap ;)

Please report on your results :)

[Trail]

MacStar: thanks great tips!!

I have started my first ormus making process!

I'm working as clean as possible, as sterile as possible even. Washed everything thats going to touch the ormus.
I decided to start with getting the salt disolved into the distilled water first since that could take 12 hours to disolve.

Since my two glass weckbottles are actually larger than i expected (5 liters instead of 3) my batch is going to be more than i expected as i have to disolve HALF of my 1KG salt into 2 liters of water. I thought i had read about using a few tablespoons before but it has become clear that for every half a cup of salts, i need 2 cups of water, a 1 to 4 ratio for seawater. Meaning to fill my 5 liter weck bottle i need to put at least 2 liter water in there to be able to work with it nicely, more liquid would be better but this first time i wanted to take it slow.

The disolving process only took 15 minutes of stirring (anti clockwise motion only and already charging the seawater with high yield / high vibrational healing ormus intentions) at room temperature, the resulting liquid does taste like seawater and is a little off colored. The seawater has a light brown hazy look. I decided to filter this solution through 5 coffee filters at once. This takes about an hour to drip through and the resulting liquid is amazingly clear now.

* Next i will let the seawater sit overnight eventhough it has already nicely disolved. (rumour has it the yield is greater when the sea water sits overnight :S)

* Now i need to desperately find my PH meter and recalibrate it using new buffer solutions. It's been a while since i had to use it and i can't find it anywhere &^$@*!#, i also wonder if the replaceable ph probe has been dried out in the meantime and might have become unreliable. Still i refuse to use ph paper when i have an unused profesional ph meter lying around -somewhere-.

* Meanwhile i'm gonna create a 20% NaOH solution by disolving 25 grams of pure NaOH into 175ml cold distilled water. Just as soon as i find something to put it in. :)

I can't continue tomorrow, i have a bachelors party for a friend, but i'm working very clean so i guess i can let the seawater sit there for a few days, the high salt content doesn't help bactera grow either and i might boil everything it at some point later just to be totally sure.

At least i started :)

~Trail.

[MacStar]

Cool!

Go easy on the Grog mate ;)

[Trail]

Quote from http://blog.genuineobservations.com/2010/04/18/ormus-is-this-the-wet-method/

About purifying ormus (removing Mg(OH)2) after the ormus has been created using the wet method.


5. Add lye solution VERY SLOWLY drop-by-drop to bring the pH back up to 8.5 – 8.7. The precipitate that forms should be m-state mostly free of Mg(OH)2 (because m-state precipitates in this pH range, and Mg(OH)2 does not precipitate until pH 9.)

What i don't understand is why bother raising the PH to 10.78 in the first place. Why not leave the Mg(OH)2 in there altogether by never going above 8.7 in the wet method process?

Anyone have a clue?
~Trail.

[meat suit]

Quote from http://blog.genuineobservations.com/2010/04/18/ormus-is-this-the-wet-method/

About purifying ormus (removing Mg(OH)2) after the ormus has been created using the wet method.


5. Add lye solution VERY SLOWLY drop-by-drop to bring the pH back up to 8.5 – 8.7. The precipitate that forms should be m-state mostly free of Mg(OH)2 (because m-state precipitates in this pH range, and Mg(OH)2 does not precipitate until pH 9.)

thats wrong...you bring the ph down to 8.5 with acid.... lye will bring it up further.....

What i don't understand is why bother raising the PH to 10.78 in the first place. Why not leave the Mg(OH)2 in there altogether by never going above 8.7 in the wet method process?

Anyone have a clue?
~Trail.

the m-state elements are separating out at ph9.5 upwards, but above ph 10.78 you get unwanted elements, so stop below 10.78

I leave the mag. in anyway,,,its good for you...

*managed to write that inside the quote somehow...see above (thats wrong...you bring the ph down to 8.5 with acid.... lye will bring it up further.....)

[Trail]

It's kinda correct because step 3 involved adding HCL to lower the ph first. So then adding lye brings it 'up' to 8.5


HOW TO PURIFY YOUR PRECIPITATE (http://blog.genuineobservations.com/2010/04/18/ormus-is-this-the-wet-method/)

The precipitate made from sea water contains milk of magnesia (Mg(OH)2), which precipitates approximately around the same pH range that m-state does. Here are four methods to separate Mg(OH) 2 from m-state:

METHOD 1.

1. Suppose you just made a precipitate by adding lye solution to sea water. The precipitate is m-state mixed with Mg(OH) 2.

2. Use a syringe to remove the liquid over the precipitate, and discard the liquid. This leaves only the m-state/Mg(OH)2 precipitate.

3. To the wet precipitate, add hydrochloric acid (HCl) until you reduce the pH to 1.0 – 3.5. You can use muriatic acid (31% HCl) from a hardware store, but lab-grade HCl is less likely to be contaminated. A safe alternative to HCl is distilled white vinegar.

4. The white colloidal precipitate should dissolve, leaving a clear solution.

5. Add lye solution VERY SLOWLY drop-by-drop to bring the pH back up to 8.5 – 8.7. The precipitate that forms should be m-state mostly free of Mg(OH)2 (because m-state precipitates in this pH range, and Mg(OH)2 does not precipitate until pH 9.)

Note that your total yield may be diminished because you are not going past pH 8.7.

6. Remove the liquid above the precipitate, and wash the precipitate. It should be mostly m-state.



the m-state elements are separating out at ph9.5 upwards

the guy above seems to think m-state precipitates at ph 8.5-8.7

where can we tripple check this?

[meat suit]

apologies Trail, I misread that.....
If you search youtube for ormus + enota , there are a few vids ....

out of interest now, I will try to loose the mag. as discussed...see what happens..

[Trail]

Another thing i was thinking about:

When washing the precipitate with fresh water the ph should go down considerably each time... shouldn't the m-state resolve back into the fresh water then ?

~Trail.

[meat suit]

Another thing i was thinking about:

When washing the precipitate with fresh water the ph should go down considerably each time... shouldn't the m-state resolve back into the fresh water then ?

~Trail.

hmmm.. interesting question,
the M state is in the salt, gets out the salt via ph swing and gets in the water. then the rinsing gets rid of the salt that is dissolved in the water....and hopefully the M state stays behind in the precipetate on the bottom..
I am down to 2-3 rinses, as I like the salt taste..

cheers

meat

[Straker]

I'm confused a little here, are we talking about ORMUS or ORME in the traditional sense, such as monatomic gold (white powder) being created, or is this another type of element that is being produced from sea water?

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/patents/Ozpatent.htm

Straker

[Mad Hatter]

I'm confused a little here, are we talking about ORMUS or ORME in the traditional sense, such as monatomic gold (white powder) being created, or is this another type of element that is being produced from sea water?

Same here... are we talking about monoatomic gold as re-discovered by David Hudson in the early eighties??

If that is so I have an interest in making it cheaply, but more from the room temperature superconductor angle rather than imbibing it...

[meat suit]

yes, all the same stuff...
Ormus comes from Ormes (orbitally rearranged monatomic elements) or M-state ie. monatomic state of elements

mad hatter, I once dried some and crushed to powder, and it did move against a strong magnet.... but havent tried anything more with it... got bored with all the rodin coils etc....

[MacStar]

Here's a link that might help "clear" things up a bit:

http://ormus.com/Laurence-Gardner.php

My mate ozhare went to Barry Carter's seminar when he was here in Aus,I'll try again to get him to pipe in ;)
He also had some of the last batch of Hudson's WPG and I still have a little here at home.It's powerful stuff...made me buzz and caused a feeling of lightness and a humming in the inner ear.
I was in the early stages of withdrawal from Benzo's and this stuff tried to speed things up!!
Unfortunately my GABA sytem couldn't keep up with it and I felt worse the next day,as you do when taking cuts too fast from this poison.


Cheers

[Trail]

Ormus making update:

Good news! I have found my PH meter!

Bad news is that the replacable PH probe was totally bad (and i mean terrible) and definately had to be replaced.

Today i also ordered PH 4.01 and 7.01 calibration fluids and proper storage fluid so my expensive new probe won't go bad again.

The replacable probe turns out to be the most expensive part of the meter and i hadn't properly stored it %!@$!#

This is turning out to be an expensive project afterall, all costs considered i could have gone for the pure gold. :S

I also ordered 3 meters of small diameter hose wich i want to use to remove the liquid above the precipitate. (Can't wait to try that part out)

Hopefully I'll have the probe and the other items i just ordered in 2 or 3 days, i really need to be able to do calibrated ph measurements before i do anything else.

Meanwhile my reconstituted filtered seawater is sitting patiently in a sealed jar on a shelve in a low light environment (walk-in closet.)

BTW yes, my best friends bachelors party yesterday was awesome :)

More updates will follow asap.

~Trail.

[Trail]

Quick update;
No ph probe yet. I called the store. Turns out they planned to send me the wrong type with a different connector, so it was good i called.
They hope to get the right one and send it out tomorrow wich means it should arrive in two or three days from now.

Fingers crossed:)

~Trail.

[MacStar]

Good to hear Trail,shame about the PH Meter though :(

Also for storage, wrap any high-spin state solutions with foil to reduce the chance of the monatomic elements "snapping" back.
Heat,UV and EMF's will effect these solutions and reduce the quality.

Same applies to Colloidal products ;)

Have you checked out the dowsing link above?

ozhare swears by it.

Cheers

EDIT:Also have you seen this method?
http://ormustech.com/howtouse.html

[Trail]

@MacStar: I saw all the vids on http://ormus.com/Laurence-Gardner.php if thats what you mean but i don't remember hearing anything about dowsing in there?

The story he's presenting is basically a re-telling of David Hudson's story; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K69iqBiyjio

[Trail]

http://ormustech.com/howtouse.html hmm thats interesting 0,3 grams in 1 liter water and only spinning it with some strong magnets. i'm using 250 grams in 1 liter water with the wet method. wondering about testimonials from other people that used his ormus.

[MacStar]

@MacStar: I saw all the vids on http://ormus.com/Laurence-Gardner.php if thats what you mean but i don't remember hearing anything about dowsing in there?

The story he's presenting is basically a re-telling of David Hudson's story; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K69iqBiyjio

Your wish is my command ;)

http://www.lettertorobin.org/RBN_html/RBN_10_4_English.html

[Firinn]

Hi Waky, I am a daily Ormus user and thoroughly enjoy the benefits spiritually and physically.
The best uk supplier I have found to be http://www.exotic-elixirs.co.uk
Quite expensive compared to some but very potent!
When I bought my first bottle I tried the Tonic of St Clair which is a C3 Ormus and almost gave my pineal gland an erection if you excuse the expression!
I had planned to graduate to the St Germaine Ormus but decided to try from another supplier offering more volume for less money. That was from http://www.alchemicalelixirs.com in Australia.
I should have known better as it is much less potent! That particular supplier uses customer testimonials to
help sell his Ormus and offers freebies too but for me I was very disappointed and am reverting back to my original uk source.
Hope this helps Waky and good luck in your search.

Blessings

Hi Russ1959,

I purchased 125ml of St Germaine Ormus from http://www.exotic-elixirs.co.uk over 2 weeks ago. So far, all I have to show for this purchase is a PayPal receipt. It does say on the site that St Germaine can take up to two weeks to be delivered, however, my query is ... what's your experience of transactions with exotic-elixirs.co.uk? Did you receive your Ormus within 2 weeks and did you receive anything other than a PayPal receipt prior to delivery?

Many thanks,
Firinn

[meat suit]

I refined my recipe.....good stuff

by volume:
500ml seawater
100ml himalayan rock salt
100ml dead sea salt
400ml spring water

ph up to 10.78, settle for 8 hours, 3 spring water rinses with 8 hour settling intervals...

bingo

[Russ1959]

Hi Waky, I am a daily Ormus user and thoroughly enjoy the benefits spiritually and physically.
The best uk supplier I have found to be http://www.exotic-elixirs.co.uk
Quite expensive compared to some but very potent!
When I bought my first bottle I tried the Tonic of St Clair which is a C3 Ormus and almost gave my pineal gland an erection if you excuse the expression!
I had planned to graduate to the St Germaine Ormus but decided to try from another supplier offering more volume for less money. That was from http://www.alchemicalelixirs.com in Australia.
I should have known better as it is much less potent! That particular supplier uses customer testimonials to
help sell his Ormus and offers freebies too but for me I was very disappointed and am reverting back to my original uk source.
Hope this helps Waky and good luck in your search.

Blessings



Hi Russ1959,

I purchased 125ml of St Germaine Ormus from http://www.exotic-elixirs.co.uk over 2 weeks ago. So far, all I have to show for this purchase is a PayPal receipt. It does say on the site that St Germaine can take up to two weeks to be delivered, however, my query is ... what's your experience of transactions with exotic-elixirs.co.uk? Did you receive your Ormus within 2 weeks and did you receive anything other than a PayPal receipt prior to delivery?

Many thanks,
Firinn

Hi Firrin,
I also had an extended wait as I remember.
I believe I waited four weeks in total from ordering to receiving my Ormus.
I e mailed asking them for a delivery update and they did respond apologising about the delay.
Something about the ph levels not being correct and they had to make another batch.
So I know exactly how you feel!
I would simply just ask them for an approx delivery time as I did and hopefully you will get a quick response.
The alchemist who makes the Ormus is known as Dr. Alan Wizard as I recall.
I am definately ordering from them again when I finish the existing batch Firrin because
As I said before it is extremely potent and well worth the wait.
Hope this helps.
Regards
Russ

[Firinn]

Hi Russ,

Thanks for sharing your experience... puts my mind at ease. I'll send a wee email as you suggest.


Many thanks,
Firinn

[Russ1959]

I refined my recipe.....good stuff

by volume:
500ml seawater
100ml himalayan rock salt
100ml dead sea salt
400ml spring water

ph up to 10.78, settle for 8 hours, 3 spring water rinses with 8 hour settling intervals...

bingo

Himalayan salt is definitely the way to go Meat suit, I use it in everyday cooking purely for the mineral content.

Your Ormus will now be even healthier!

Himalayan crystal salt is one of the cleanest salts available on this planet with a wide array of remarkable health benefits to be had. Himalayan crystal salt contains an almost identical set of elements to those found inside the human body, 84 of the possible 92 trace minerals, in the same proportion as naturally exists in our blood.

Benefits Of Himalayan Crystal Salt:-
Here are some of the benefits that have been associated with unrefined mineral rich salts such as Himalayan and Celtic grey sea salt.

* Balance PH of cells
* Supports Respiratory Health
* Sinus Health
* Regulating Water Content of body
* Stimulates Digestive Process
* Promote Bone Strength
* Blood Sugar Health
* Relieve Body Pain & Arthritis
* Regulate & Promote Sleep
* Prevents Muscle Cramps
* Balance Hormones & PMS aid
* Help Allergies
* Adrenal Fatigue
* Promotes Cardiovascular Health
* Maintain Healthy Blood Pressure

The best way to start incorporating unrefined salts such as Himalayan and Celtic sea salt into your diet is first by replacing your normal salt with these mineral rich types. You can use these salts just as you would any other type by using them directly on food, in recipes where salt is called for and so on.
Soaking in a hot bath of Himalayan salt crystals is very beneficial too. Your skin pores absorb the healthy minerals and revitalise your whole body.
If you do this though make sure you dont add any soaps additives or oils and dont wash off the salt from your skin afterwards.
Probably best reading Dr Mercolas advice beforehand though on http://products.mercola.com/himalayan-salt/bath-salt.htm

Good luck with the Ormus!

regards

Russ

[Trail]

Himalayan salt would be the last salt i'd try for two reasons:

I've read that it will have a low ormus yield compared to other salts.

I already threw away all my nice pinkish himalayan cooking salt a year ago, after i heard it has a high FLUORIDE content.

Beware with Himalayan salt.

~Trail.

[Amysenthia]

Just a quick note here. I have been taking Ormus now for about 3 weeks. I ordered it online through WhitePowderGold.com out of Chattanooga, TN. I got a 1/2 oz. bottle for about $55.00. I have been taking about one eye dropper full, or approximately 15-20 drops daily.

At this point I have felt no different. There is enough left for about another week and I will finish what I have bought. However, with these results I doubt that I would purchase another bottle.

FOOL ME ONCE.........:tsk:

[Trail]

Amysenthia thats a real bummer to hear :(

Whitepowdergold.com should have the strongest high spin ormus available created straight from 99.99% pure gold and it would have been the site i would have wanted to buy it from if i could afford it.
Now i'm trying to create ormus using a possibly inferior method trying to harvest tiny traceelements of gold and hoping for result. hmm.

[Trail]

UPDATE; received my ph probe. it was a different brand so i was immediately bummed that i had to send it back wich would take more time.

Since i called the guy before and he knows what i need, i wondered if this brand was supposed to be compatible with my ph meter.

I tried the probe out on my meter and it turns out it works flawlessly, it was calibrated almost perfectly out of the box.

He seller did forget to incluce 3mtrs of small diameter airhose wich he will sent next week, i planned to use that to siphon off the water above the precipitate so i will have to find another way.

Today i'll probably start creating the precipitate from my reconstituted filtered seawater and let it settle overnight.

~Trail.

[Trail]

Update;
I might be experiencing a problem.

I've added 25grams of NaOH to 175ml distilled water to use to increase the PH.

I have 2 liters of distilled water wich has 500grams of dead sea salts disolved.

I started dripping NaOH into the seawater and immediately flocks of white precipitate formed and my PH increased exponentially, intill it reached PH 9.2 - 9.3 at that time i had used about 100ml of NaOH solution wich i already thought was a lot more than i expected.

Since i want to go to 10.7, i kept adding more untill my bottle was finished, with no increase in PH.
I did read about there being a buffer zone, but this is insane.

I created another bottle with 25grams of NaOH into 175ml water and fully used it *ALL*, i was still stuck at PH 9.3, with no increase in ph whatsoever using another 25 grams of NaOH!

I start to doubth my ph meter so i stopped and recalibrated the meter, does fine in calibration fluids so it should be alright.

I then created another bottle of NaOH solution, this time with *50* grams of NaOH into 175ml water and used another 25ml of this solution without any effect in PH.

Then suddenly the PH started to increase again and shot up quite rapidly on every drop.. the following 50ml of the new stronger NaOH solution finally made the PH increase to 10.7.

So this means theres about 75 grams total of NaOH needed to get the PH of 500grams of dead sea salt and 2 liters water to go to 10.7. (?wow?)

Isn't that far too much? i had expected to use about 1/3th or maybe half of one 175ml bottle having 25grams of NaOH. So i expected only about 8-13 grams to be needed. Good i bought a 500g pot of food grade NaOH.

The sea-water has gone *totaly* milky now, i don't mean cloudy, but it looks like buttermilk, like the pure ormus most people get only after the water has been removed, so this yield seems taggeringly high. Right now i even wonder how thick this must become when it has fallen down and the water on top is removed.

After letting everything rest for 30 minutes, the ph had stabilised at 10.5 and i'm leaving it at that just to be safe as there's certainly no shortage of yield at this point. I will put the jar away now wrapped in aluminium foil so the precipitate can fall down.

Since after a clearly strong buffer zone, the PH started reacting normally again to every drop of NaOH and since i did read about there being such buffer zone, this all could be considered quite normal. However i also have seen a video tutorial in wich a guy is using a 25grams/175ml NaOH solution and is saying he is only using a little of that bottle at a time. Meaning he can do about 3 harvests with one bottle. His jar isn't as big as mine and i seem to remember he was only using a few tablespoons of salt.. but still... i want to be absolutely sure...

So can anyone more experienced give me some figures on the amount of salt/water and NaOH they're actually using ? Just to doublecheck...

Besides planning on trying out the ormus myself internally, a family member of mine is having eczema type of skin problems, so i will give her a bottle and tell her to apply it externally and see how that goes ;) It should do wonders there.

Ofcourse if there are local avalonians that want to try some of it they can contact me after it's ready as i'm pretty positive i will soon have enough ormus for everyone on the forum LMAO!! :)

I think next time i should make a smaller batch. 500grams of seawater yields incredible amounts of ormus so it seems. I just liked the big bottles David Kane used in this video and got them, and only after i got those i figured out how much sea salt was actually needed for those. David might have 100+ people using his ormus so in hindsight i should have started smaller. oV0hDpG25IA

~Trail.

[Amysenthia]

One of the reasons that I wanted to try Ormus is from listening to the Bob Dean interview where he says that is why the Annanaki came to this planet to mine for gold. That they needed it for their Ormus. I just wonder if this is the same ORMUS that is being discussed in this thread. Does anyone know?

For example the guy shown in the above video does not seem to be talking about something that is made from Gold. Also, not that I am trying to be offensive but watching him talk and seeing his complexion and and constant blinking, (almost like a neurological condition), I am thinking that i'm not so sure that I want to take anything that he has been on.

Now I am really confused about Ormus. More research needed.

[meat suit]

Trail,

I dont use anywhere near as much NAOH as that,,,, maybe you got a very acidic batch of salt?
I dissolve as much salt as it will take, between 250ml and 300ml per litre, so thats similar to you. I try to see how much NAOH I use when I do the next batch....

Amysenthia,

metal gold is diatomic, white powder gold is monatomic. David Hudson estimated that there is many times more white powder gold flying around in the enviroment ie. locked up in salt, than there is metal gold. I think if its monatomic youre after, then you wont try to turn diatomic into monatomic, as there is so much more of monatomic about anyway....
I read somewhere, I think it may have been Onyxknights big conact thread on this forum, that the guys from Nibiru (or Annunaki) had an athmospheric problem to fix for which they needed large amounts metal gold...

cheers

meat

[Trail]

Short update:
Another surprise. I washed the precipitate the first time and i wanted to check the PH expecting it to have significantly dropped from 10.5, since 60% of the contents of the jar had just been replaced with clean distilled water.
The actual PH is now 10.44. Almost no drop in PH. Is that normal?

I wish i had payed more attention in chemistry class :)



Also, not that I am trying to be offensive but watching him talk and seeing his complexion and and constant blinking, (almost like a neurological condition), I am thinking that i'm not so sure that I want to take anything that he has been on.

Lol i know what you mean but actually his condition got much less severe since he's been taking ormus. :)


One of the reasons that I wanted to try Ormus is from listening to the Bob Dean interview where he says that is why the Annanaki came to this planet to mine for gold. That they needed it for their Ormus. I just wonder if this is the same ORMUS that is being discussed in this thread. Does anyone know?
For example the guy shown in the above video does not seem to be talking about something that is made from Gold.

Now I am really confused about Ormus. More research needed.

Yes yes i heard the same stories and it has certainly helped increase my curiosity in monoatomic high spin state gold, rhodium, irridium, and other elements.

The thing is they are pretty expensive to buy and they wouldn't last very long. IOW i can't afford it. Ormus created using the wet method is the poor mans ormus. It is not created from pure gold material but from sea salts, crushed limestone, Golden Nectar trace mineral formula, Etherium/Isis Gold powder, or other materials high in trace minerals. The goal is to get the full pallet into a high spin state. It is not as strong as pure gold ormus but it is more balanced and still very effective according to testimonies i've read. Hence i wanted to try to make this ormus using the poor mans method because it seemed much more affordable. But yes the goal are the same beneficial elements that make ormus effective; Gold, Rhodium, Irridium, also see; http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/ormus/ormus4.htm




Trail,
I dont use anywhere near as much NAOH as that,,,, maybe you got a very acidic batch of salt?
I dissolve as much salt as it will take, between 250ml and 300ml per litre, so thats similar to you. I try to see how much NAOH I use when I do the next batch....


My filtered dead sea salt solution had a PH of 7.5 when i started out. Not so acidic, and it did go up nicely at the start and at the end but the buffer point just took a lot of NaOH to get over. I am using 500grams (1/2 kilo!) of salt in 2 liters of water.

What do you mean you dissolve as much salt as it will take and why are you measuring salts in ml ? Do you mean 250 grams salt (1/4 kilo) into 1 liter water? Wich would indeed be the same proportions i am using.

I'm wondering.. Really the bulk of the NaOH went in between PH9.25 and 9.5.
So i got a theory that since the people making ormus using PH paper are advised to stop around PH 9.5 and since ph paper isn't very accurate they might want to be on the safe side. ph paper also has big 0.5 step color increments and people have to guestimate the color of the PH paper so they might actually stop around 9.3 even if their target is 9.5.
So, stopping at a 'safe' 9.5 ph using ph paper would take CONSIDERABLY less NaOH.
Just a theory.

~T.

[meat suit]

Intersting, starting ph 7.5.. mine starts at ph 5

there is only so much salt you can dissolve in water before it starts cristallising again. I am close to that point with the amount I put in.
I measure by volume not weight, sorry for the confusion.
I also get mysterious ph meter behaviour and readings....no idea whats going on...thought I need a new probe, but you are working with a new probe...

[Trail]

I also get mysterious ph meter behaviour and readings....no idea whats going on...thought I need a new probe, but you are working with a new probe...

The instructions leaflet that came with my new probe had a troubleshoot page wich sais that when the meter behaves not as expected that the glass tip might be dirty and it should be cleaned using some special fluid. You could try cleaning your probe if its not on the end of its life. If you really need a new probe i suggest you get it, the right ph is way to important to be messing around with.

Having a PH meter can make you feel very safe and secure while in actuality you are in danger of taking the wrong reading for a myriad of reasons. Thats why i used to own three ph meters that i was using daily, if one fluctuated i would know. Thats actually how i learned never to trust one single ph meter they are very sensitive and too much can go wrong with them.

Hence i already neuroticaly checked/calibrated my probe 3 times using 4.01 and 7.01 solutions throughout this experiment so far as i currently only own one meter and i want to be sure it's not messing with me.

[meat suit]

yeah, I got a 2nd meter to double check, so I think I am in the save zone.
what we should find out is how extreme salt content effects the probes..

[Trail]

update:
I have just washed the precipitate a second time :) I must say using a small diameter hose to siphon off the top layer of water using the law of 'communicating vessels' (<-not sure about correct translation) where one tank is lower than the other, is working perfectly. I have upgraded a simple standard aquarium hose with a medical infusion hose complete with 'drip system' so i can adjust the flow at the end so i can more carefully siphon off the last few mm's of water without sucking in the ormus below.

The ormus had settled beautifully and when i removed the tin foil around it i could see a few tiny bubbles rising up from the precipitate.

I also saw what looked like a small merkabah, two vortexes of ormus one right above the other, one rising up and the other one was right above it pointing down like a tiny tornado made from ormus. the small top tornado was weird because the ormus had settled and it was the only ormus matter hanging around in the clear water.

Checked the PH and it was at 10.4, i did some research and it turns out that distilled water should not change the ph at all. So thats why the ph doesn't change when washing :)

Pretty interesting:)

I will do anther wash around 12-1 am tonight and the last wash will be tomorrow around 12 o clock noon.

So at this rate the final washed ormus should be settled at 12-1am tomorrow :)

My guess now is that i'll have about 1500ml of ormus in about 36 hours from now.

Its time to think about the final container.

I'm also wondering if shall boil it to sterilise it.

If the ph doesn't drop, wich i don't think it will, i'm planning to add some vinegar to bring the ph down to a consumable 8.8-9.0

For topical applications i wonder if ph 9 will irritate when left on the skin for a prolonged period of time (hours)

~Trail.

[Amysenthia]

Thanks Trail for your responses. Please let us know how it goes when you begin to take your ormus. I will be most curious. Good Luck I hope it come out great for you!

[Trail]

update:

I just washed the precipitate for the third time :)

I saw what looked like a little explosion where some ormus the size of a pinhead poofed up. Unlike the steady rising of bubbles this had more power to it. it wasn't a bubble breaking free from the ormus.

I couldn't help myself and took 2 dinnerspoons of ormus apart to try out while washing it the third time. It probably had a ph of 10.4 (i didnt test this time) so i put the tiniest amount of vinagar to it and gulped it down. Taste was a little salty but doable (i do prefer to wash it more), it seems there's an immediate effect but i don't want to jump to conclusions yet as it might be some placebo effect. (I took it only 10 minutes ago)
I wonder what my bowels will think of all the magnesium in there. Time will tell.

~Trail.

[jason4444]

I just recently bought 15 grams of ormus, and I was wondering if it is okay to smoke a little at a time? like 1/2 a teaspoon in a cigarette or cigar?

[Trail]

I just recently bought 15 grams of ormus, and I was wondering if it is okay to smoke a little at a time? like 1/2 a teaspoon in a cigarette or cigar?

Smoke ormus? i never heard of that. 15 grams?? thats probably not from pure gold but made by the wet method. Pure ormus can almost be weightless. Those 15 grams probably contain magnesium and calcium and those are not compounds that are easily burned.

I would not smoke it.

I'm thinking.. even if you had ormus made from pure gold.. if you heat it, it would still stay in the same form, as incredible heat was needed to even get the gold to the powder form.. my guess is that smoking it would just heat it again and the ash of your siggy would just contain the ormus material.. i don't think you will inhale much, if any, monoatomic elements..

[Trail]

Update:

Washed the precipitate again and took like 30ml of ormus out to experiment with. ( the ormus is done at this stage but i figured i'd finish the last bit of distilled water that i have and wash it once more.) (i now used a full 10L can of distilled water in this project.)

The precipitated tested at ph 10.5 so i thought i'd bring it down to the 8.8-9.0 range with some vinegar.

Since i only had 30ml out i thought i'd only needed a drop of vinegar. As i started dripping and stirring the vinegar into the small amount of ormus, i noticed how the ph meter reacted immeditately to my drops, untill i got to ph 9.45 at wich point there was definately a buffer zone again as i kept adding plenty of drops and saw no change to the meter because while i stirred it would level out back to 9.45 immediately. i was worried i was ruining the taste with so much vinegar so i decided to stop adding vinegar and accept the 9.45 for ingestion, also because its such a small amount to ingest anyway.

I ingested about 15ml and kept it under my tongue for 2 minutes before swallowing it down. The salty taste was not so profound as the day before but it was still in the background. The vinegar does add a smell to it wich i don't like but i could hardly taste the vinegar. The solution had a resemblance to drinking wholemilk. It had a kind of neutral taste like calcium with a hint of salt in the background and a hint of vinegar. Its not a great taste but it is tolerable. Luckily there was no stinging sensation in my throath from the high ph or anything like that.

Still not sure about the effects yet. feeling a slight tingling sensation all throughout my body. feeling a bit more focussed. slightly more energy. slightly less cranky.. a change of mood for the better.. very subjective effects and very much a potential placebo effect so i guess time will have to tell..

I don't like the vinegar smell so i'm thinking i need to buy some HCL to bring the ph down, but i might decide to leave the ph as it is, i don't notice any burning or intollerable effects when swallowing ph 10.4.. i need to do more research on the dangers of ingesting an alkaline. I can imagine the stomach acids get partially neutralised or something.

While i'm typing this i can't help but notice that it seems there's definately some effect its just so hard to put my finger on. I ingested it about 15 minutes ago and it seems im experiencing a kind of very moderate natural high. it's like my frontal lobes are popping open.. like a purely energetic cold is suddenly relieved and there's suddenly more air.. very hard to explain.. like a dark curtain is lifting..

Nothing more to report for now:)

~Trail.

[jason4444]

Well, being the impatient person that I am; I already smoked it. Felt it almost immediately. I started to feel heavy, then I started to feel a warm tingly feeling on my scalp, and it slowly spread to the rest of my body. It felt as if I was wrapped in a warm blanket for about 10 minutes. Then it slowly went away, taking about 20 minutes from the moment of inhalation. I don't know what to say about, except that I felt awfully cozy and at peace. Tho only downside to it was that my mouth tasted like sh** for a good 30 minutes afterwords.



I just recently bought 15 grams of ormus, and I was wondering if it is okay to smoke a little at a time? like 1/2 a teaspoon in a cigarette or cigar?


Smoke ormus? i never heard of that. 15 grams?? thats probably not from pure gold but made by the wet method. Pure ormus can almost be weightless. Those 15 grams probably contain magnesium and calcium and those are not compounds that are easily burned.

I would not smoke it.

I'm thinking.. even if you had ormus made from pure gold.. if you heat it, it would still stay in the same form, as incredible heat was needed to even get the gold to the powder form.. my guess is that smoking it would just heat it again and the ash of your siggy would just contain the ormus material.. i don't think you will inhale much, if any, monoatomic elements..

[Trail]

Interesting:) What did you smoke it with? the tobacco from a sigaret?

Where did you obtain the ormus from ? Got a link?

~Trail.

[Eram]

Well, being the impatient person that I am; I already smoked it. Felt it almost immediately. I started to feel heavy, then I started to feel a warm tingly feeling on my scalp, and it slowly spread to the rest of my body. It felt as if I was wrapped in a warm blanket for about 10 minutes. Then it slowly went away, taking about 20 minutes from the moment of inhalation. I don't know what to say about, except that I felt awfully cozy and at peace. Tho only downside to it was that my mouth tasted like sh** for a good 30 minutes afterwords.


You just might be the first entity in Universe ever to have smoked Ormus. :first:

I think it's got a loony side to it and I hope you'll be OK....

[Amysenthia]

After doing more research about Ormus, I came across more and more info warning against taking white powder of gold. Including this from Ashayana Deane. Just wondering what Trail and others think of these warnings.


Update: Ashayana Deane (Anna Hayes) on Monoatomic Gold


http://educate-yourself.org/lte/AshayanaDeaneonwhitegold17sep06.shtml
September 17, 2006

Update: Ashayana Deane (Anna Hayes) on Monoatomic Gold (May 17, 2007)

Subject: Monoatomic gold
From: Seth
Date: Thu, May 17, 2007
To: Editor

Ken, wanted to say thanks for posting Anna Hayes insight on this topic. It is very valid. You are familiar that it causes molecular dna compaction. Are you familiar with the following link:

http://www.keylonticdictionary.org/Words/C/Celesteline%20.htmAshayana Deane

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About this word

(Celestalline - Stardust Blue - White Powder Gold)

A natural transient (very short life) element. The ancient Egyptians try to find them in the substance called white gold powder, and also tried to manufacture it.The substance only appears during the process of natural biological Star Gate passage Ascension when the body transmutes temporarily into light and rides in the Celesteline wave and then it re-manifest on the other side. When the process of natural biological Star Gate passage happens the body leaves a powder (pale blue) residue - Celesteline - that was eagerly tried to collect in the ancient days in Egypt and also tried to chemically create it as a white or gold powder.

By the way, white powder gold and other type of mono-atomic substance that some are playing with these days and putting on the market as supplements they advance and accelerate the process of Molecular Compaction, so you know.What it does is that it radically stimulates the introduction of higher dimensional currents, but out of order and if your templates are damaged, without the D-12 Sub-harmonic carrier wave, you get a rush and feel better for a while your templates are eroding right underneath you.

It also creates a dependency of the body and in the long run your body gets sicker faster.You don't need to take artificial white powder gold, it is a trickery, since you have the ability to use your mind to run your body in a way that before long you will be able to manufacture your own Celesteline form inside out.Celesteline actually pops out in the DNA. It comes out in the Hydrogen bonds that link together the DNA spirals.

Those hydrogen molecules change in the process of cellular transmutation. That is the place where the element Celesteline that only activates for the purpose of bodily transmutation as part of the natural chemical process. (Phoenix 8-2002 Lectures. DVD 2 - Track 2. 29:00 Min )Upon contact with oxygen, liquid Celestalline secretions dry to a fine powder, which rapidly breaks down into inert elemental units.

Celestalline powder is a natural bio-chemical by-product secreted by the body during Star Gate passage, or upon death of the physical body if the consciousness is able to achieve Star Gate ascension out of Density-1. Pure Celestalline powder can be collected in minute amounts gently dusting the skin after one has passed through a Star Gate and re-manifest on the other side. If it is rapidly collected and specially stored, pure Celestalline powder is a powerful healing agent as it can trigger temporary burst of 12-Strand DNA Template activation for anchoring and individual's D-12 Divine Blueprint.

In ancient Egypt impure Celestalline powder or its aged residue was harvested from corpses of mummies whenever discovered.Impure Celestalline powder, known as "White Powder Celestalline" or "White Powder Gold" was used by illuminati Pharaohs to trigger psychic powers by unnatural activation of higher strands of DNA Template; this process led to permanent disability of the lower DNA strands, physical addiction to the substance and eventually insanity.

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[Trail]

The above is the reason why i hesitated for 10 years before trying this dead sea salt version of ormus wich is not as strong and unbalanced as pure gold ormus.

Also, David Icke said tptb released all this ormus info because they know it messes up our DNA.

I finally caved in to my curiosity after at least 10 years of feeling a strong pull towards the pure gold stuff.

I decided on the dead sea salt version of ormus because even on the websites selling pure ormus (made from gold) they mention you better get the right mix of other elements too and taking pure gold ormus is often not the best way to go for most. Pure ormus with single elements isn't balanced and might throw you off balance too. Dead sea salt however is balanced by nature and a lot cheaper too :) So i decided to trust nature and give it a go.. what harm could it do ? I made it myself and it all came from nature :)

update:
After finishing the 5th washing, i took another 25ml of my own ormus just an hour ago.. :)

Last night i know i was very busy dreaming, something wich i heard more people mention in relation to taking ormus.. normally i might notice i have been dreaming about once a year, if that..

A friend of mine took some 10-15ml yesterday.. after about 15 minutes while checking out two books he had just bought before he arrived at my place, he suddenly looked up from a book and commented he felt more focussed and was able to concentrate so well and deeply on his new book.. hmm..

I figured when i started out with this project, that if this ormus stuff doesn't work, at least i don't have to take my magnesium/calcium supplements for a while while taking the ormus lmao :) But i guess the ormus does more for me than my mag/cal tablets ever did :)

~Trail.

[Eram]

Hey Trial,

gefeliciteerd met je eerste lading zelfgemaakt Ormus!

congratulations with your first, home made batch of Ormus!
I hope you keep us posted on the effects it will have on you.

[Trail]

Found an interesting scientific paper that has a table about different amounts of NaOH added to sea water and the precipitation of calcium and magnesium and according ph levels:
http://sabella.mba.ac.uk/727/01/The_precipitation_of_calcium_and_magnesium_from_sea_water.pdf
Link:http://sabella.mba.ac.uk/727/01/The_precipitation_of_calcium_and_magnesium_from_sea_water.pdf

This explains the buffer zone i experienced.

I saw a tv show that was checking out dead sea salt brands.. the name dead sea salt is abused and misused a lot because all salts come from the oceans.. even if the salt was processed and all the minerals besides NaCL are taken out (to create fertilisers from them!) the remaining NaCL still could come from the dead sea and could thus be legally called dead sea salt.. :S

Of the 5 brands of dead sea salt bought in the netherlands and tested by the tv show (called 'Keuringsdienst van waarden'), only 1 brand definately contained dead sea salt.. one was 'probably' dead sea salt.. and 3 where definately not dead sea salt but mostly NaCL salt with other stuff added to it..

Their criteria to prove if the dead sea salt sold was real dead sea salt or something else, they checked the levels and proportions of magnesium, calcium, and NaCL.. in dead sea salt there should be considerable amounts of magnesium..

The fact that i experienced that buffer zone between ph 9.2 and 9.45 luckily for me definately shows that i was using real dead sea salt with considerable amounts of magnesium and calcium.. :)

Beware..

~Trail.

[meat suit]

now thats really interesting Trail,
the one batch I tried using just 'dead sea salt' had no precipitate ..... I had it of ebay, sold as 'dead sea salt, (nothing added-nothing taken away)
I am going to raise it with the supplier...

cheers

meat

[Trail]

update:

Because i wanted to be sure that taking large doses of ormus at ph10.5 didn't have any bad reaction to my bowels, i took extremely large amounts of ormus for a few day's.. i guess i took a four month supply in about a weeks time..

I also wanted to use the ormus as fast as possible while i know its fresh and doesn't have (many) bacteria.. its about time now that i boil the ormus and bottle it for future usage.. my finished ormus now has a low salt content and is unrefridgerated so i don't know how long it will keep..

I ordered a box of 200ml medicine bottles for this purpose..

However, i now have a strong feeling i should pauze taking the ormus for at least a few day's to let my body adjust accordingly..

On behalf of my body i partly regret taking so much ormus at once.. i have a feeling i have put racing oil into an old car and somehow the wheels are spinning very fast but the old car ain't moving much.. something to do with the rest of the car needing to be upgraded wich takes a little time.. putting more high power racing oil in won't help at all..

I guess dinnerspoons of ormus would be fine to continue with once i continue..

My energy field is buzzing with (chaotic?) frequency.. when i put my attention to it i can guide it and its not chaotic anymore.. now i need to find the awareness to guide it full time or i'll be flying all over the place..

I also feel that being in the middle of a big city full of mind control frequencies doesn't help when taking ormus without the proper full time awareness to take control of it.

When taking ormus one HAS to meditate! It's not helpful when you have a very busy life with lots of distractions (kids/work/stress) and cannot find the peace to meditate often.

There are no shortcuts in life. Taking ormus means you have to work HARDER in some respects :)

So far for my thoughts on ormus right now,

~Trail.

[Trail]

Update:
Finalised the ormus process by cooking it and putting it inside a couple of 200ml brown medicine bottles.

The ormus was boiled for 10 minutes in glassware, a teapot actually, on a 'campinggaz' heater away from obvious electrical fields.

The new medicinebottles and their caps where boiled for at least 10 minutes in a big metal pan with water.

A plastic funnel was also boiled for at least 10 minutes.

I then took a medicine bottle and poured the boiling water out and quickly poured the boiling ormus into it via the funnel, then took a boiling cap out of the water and put it on the bottle tightly. Then i turned the bottle around and let it cool down upside down.

This process should eliminate all bacteria and the ones that might have gotten in while i was doing the bottling are killed by turning the bottles upside down while they where still very hot.

I basicaly copied the process used by people who make their own jams and stuff and want to store them for years to come.

Now i feel a sense of completeness regarding the ormus experiment :) Well, round one that is:)

Btw, just before the bottling process, i meditated in nature and my energies have already balanced out quite a bit, so i might continue taking the ormus tomorrow albeit in normal doses from now on :)

~Trail.

[Trail]

A picture is worth a thousands words... so just look at the pictures first :)

The 3 differences while making this batch:

* I made a 'sole' dead sea water solution by adding 500grams of dead sea salt to about 1,25L of distilled water. (sole meaning that as much salt is absorbed by the water as it can possibly hold, wich is around 340grams dead sea salt per liter according to wikipedia)

Because i started with a smaller container that was actually too small to accomodate more NaOH solution,
* I added NaOH directly into the sole solution.
(But the ormus was already getting a layer of jelly on top before i started adding the pure NaOH directly into it.)

* I had bought a powerful new mixer that i used to vigorously stir the solution throughout the process continually.
(The ormus might be rising because little air bubbles are trapped within it because of the rigorous stirring.)

At ph 10.7 the solution would be hard to stir because it has gotten thick like jelly. It had a nice shimmering look. it actually did look like the cooper-pair vid and pictures i'd seen.
The thing is that i hadn't washed this ormus and all the salts are still in there.

A 'sole' solution obviously just gets a lot thicker when converted to ormus.

[WhiteFeather]

Interesting statement from the video. "Ormus could increase vision as well". Many good reasons to try this elixir now. Wanishi for sharing this. Q. Before i take this could you recommend a weblink that manufactures a good ormus product? Appreciate it.

Ps Trail great job on this thread.

[genevieve]

WhiteFeather--

energeticnutrition.com sells pre-made ORMUS solutions and has interesting info. Check out Etherium Gold. I haven't yet tried any, but I'm starting to think about it.

(Not ORMUS related, but possibly of interest to you: Dr. Delbert Blair highly recommends and even sells on his website a product called LifeSource Super Sprouts, which is made by energeticnutrition.)

The website dancingwithwater.com has wonderful info re creating ORMUS via some simple technology. Great website.

Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
Genevieve

[PurpleLama]

I've been taking the Etherium Gold, it seems to perform as advertized. :)

[Arrowwind]

I've read that goji berries have ormus...

[Peace of Mind]

Personally, I don't know anyone that uses it. And those I've seen (on youtube) claiming to use it show no signs of it working. Take at your own risks. Perhaps you might want to read the link below before considering more experimentation. You already have everything you need.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/monoatomicgoldthinktwice15aug05.shtml

Peace

[TargeT]

I'm hoping that my juicing efforts can replace the trace minerals; I stopped taking ORMUS a long time ago for lack of noticeable change (though I know I am extremely tolerant to substances of any kind, so perhaps I was just being too conservative in my uptake)

maybe I’ll start mixing ormus in to freshly juiced veggies? Couldn’t hurt....

[meat suit]

Personally, I don't know anyone that uses it. And those I've seen (on youtube) claiming to use it show no signs of it working. Take at your own risks. Perhaps you might want to read the link below before considering more experimentation. You already have everything you need.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/monoatomicgoldthinktwice15aug05.shtml

Peace

I havent taken any for several months now but will start again soon......
I got quite an accurate idea of how I was generally feeling when taking Ormus daily over a few months, and having stopped I feel very differrent now.
I will report back when I am a month into the next Ormus phase....

worst case scenario is that Ormus is a high quality mineral supplement with additional alkalizing effect....

[Trail]

There is, sortof, a follow up on this oldish thread, called: Police to my door, regarding ORMUS.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54317-Police-to-my-door-regarding-ORMUS

[eaglespirit]

Too Good Not To Post here!!!

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....added
Feel real good about this Young Lady...sharing a different method of making Your Own...without lye

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[eaglespirit]

Hello All!
Sharing my current ormus white powder gold experience...ongoing:
...

I ordered the ormus overseas from a source I like and have been familiar with for a number of years and got delivery ten days ago.
They liken this mix to the Hudson white powder gold.

Simply google for the mix I used:
TibetanGold™ Monatomic White Powdered Gold

I took just less than a 1/4 teaspoon right away to see how it resonated.
I then took just over a gram and a half mixed in half a glass of distilled water a week ago Sunday.
The gram and a half is the suggested intake by David Hudson to fully activate.

Just so You know... I am an avid sungazer and am pretty tough and active physically and smoke pipe tobacco often and drink about 5 cups of coffee per day and I do 'not' conform to what would be considered a rigid 'natural' diet and I do not drink alcohol.
Other than that I am more or less abnormal...ummm normal : )

I am not advocating this to anyone...to each his/her own. I feel we will all get there from here in our own ways. I simply feel it is important to get it out in the open in these rapidly changing times and because my prompting to take it was so strong.

I basically got a cosmic kick in the arse in a good way : )

As the day went on after that full dose I began to feel a new and rather powerful general subtle intensity that was coming on from the prior smaller dose. I am already very connected to nature but even that rhythm was tweaked to a higher note.

The feeling of an alter--higher--reality became stronger...I can focus just fine in this reality to do what I need to do but I am becoming much more aware of affecting/effecting much more here and elsewhere, and vice versa...this is becoming very much more real for me.

I need to note that these things were brought on by my solar meditation of the past six years also but seem to be much more integrated in my metabolism now.

I am eating and sleeping less without any negative overlay.

I have the increased desire to commend people in front of me in a very positive manner moreso than ever in a very personal and uplifting way...even people I do not know when I am prompted in one on one meet ups. I am getting that these personal 'spirit to spirit' connections are more important than ever now.

A feeling of oneness with my higher guidance is stronger and the active follow through, if there is a prompting, more immediate.

The feeling of self-responsibility and helping to right things has been heightened and the conforming to it more natural and flowing.

These things were already with me but seem to be more like music playing while I simply go with the beat.

I have been spitting up a smooth and natural looking phlegm occasionally...it actually feels good and clearing.

I feel a bit physically 'different' in a good way.

Some of the things going on are hard to put to words.

I have had some interesting new meet ups...one was a black man that came up behind me in dunkin' donuts and said "nice head of hair" and we introduced and struck up a rather spiritual conversation on the way out. He studied buddhism with Tibetans and was leaving the Cape in a week heading home to the island of Trinidad because he was being called to be with family. His facial features and his demeanor were a match of the head of the family that I visited in Malta in 2009, interesting.

My dreams are 'now' influential and have a 'renovating'(carpenter you know) spiritual theme to them...helping me see 'corrections'.

A new 'buzz' with a vibration in it.

I have an overwhelming feeling of riding a metamorphosis...mine and Mother Earth's...enlightening heightening and it is staying with me steadily.



.......
I will probably also make some from the method by the Girl on Youtube in my previous post.
I am also making some of my own from urine that will be ready after incubation in 2014

Wanted to acknowledge WhiteFeather's Thread:
Egyptians Spiritual Elixir - White Gold, White Ormus and Shrewbread
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37690-Egyptians-Spiritual-Elixir-White-Gold-White-Ormus-and-Shrewbread


Thank You and Onward and Upward and Beyond for the Good of All !!!!

[Unicorn]

Recently I've made an order of St Germaine Ormus, from http://www.exotic-elixirs.co.uk. It was recommended here. Have any of you experienced good or bad results with this product?

Also, I have an allergy to nickel and nickel alloys. I am not too sure is this element is included in ORMUS. However, it seems that the ORMUS elements are not in metallic form. Am I correct? In that case perhaps it's not an allergen. Somebody could clarify this? Thanks.

[gripreaper]

June 7th, 2015 Barry Carter on Global Freedom Movement


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuVgJTkXBGo&list=TLF7ZORs9hkGo