What's with Drunvalo?

[Eram]

Hi Avalon,

I just watched this new interview with Drunvalo Melchizedek. I haven't been up to date with him for years now.
He was the first person who educated me on lots and lots of understandings of who we really are (1997). After that I went on to read en see other people and information.
Now, watching this interview I am amazed how much this man changed.
His energy feels so different... Almost as if he's eating himself up inside.

One of the things he claims in the interview is that the government of Russia is fully aware that the pole shift is coming and the only way to survive this is to evolve your consciousness and they are informing the people about it too.
I try to stay away from true or false most of the time, but I wonder if there is someone here on Avalon who lives in Russia and can confirm this claim.

There's something in me that is not at all afraid of the future and feels very optimistic.

N46nqG07FN0

[WyoSeeker]

... I wonder if there is someone here on Avalon who lives in Russia and can confirm this claim.


I was wondering the same thing. I tried researching this claim and I could only find circular references to Drunvalo's interview. Searches on RT for "crop circle" and "pole shift" turned up nothing.

Not passing the sniff test.

[Antagenet]

Some people I know have insinuated that he is a disinformation agent.
I have no opinion either way, but I never took to him, myself.

[foreverfan]

Not passing the sniff test.

http://www.simplyclassicfruitbaskets.com/pic/fruit_festival_home.jpg

[nearing]

He spoke of Marina Popovich. (http://www.ourtransition.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1&Itemid=2&lang=en)

And I agree he looks bad. Like he has really bad allergies (likely) or he got punched in both eyes (unlikely).

[PathWalker]

There's something in me that is not at all afraid of the future and feels very optimistic.

In that case. I think that you connected in your heart to his message.
Me too. I saw it to the end and felt giddily with excitement.

BTW this is not his message, this is the message we hear from many indigenous tribes around the world.

Besides that I believe Drunvalo is human having/suffering many human trait, and is among the best living spiritual teachers .

[Daozen]

I call BS on this pole shift business. It's lies to keep people scared, just like Elenin and a million other Armaggedon stories. We have a bright future.

I never trusted DM myself...Been reading him for years and it's never felt right.

For Context:

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/ann_dryice.htm

[Rantaak]

I think it's very easy to dismiss information that could be perceived as eschatological. It is obviously our choice to take it or leave it, though my personal choice has been to listen to this man. When I first saw him, I instantly recognized him as someone I have known for a very long time. I will be attending a seminar with Drunvalo in May, which I'm pretty excited about.

Drunvalo is among a very small collection of people who have corroborated the suspicions and intuitions that I've carried with me since childhood - until fairly recently I figured that I must be crazy... But other people are starting to say the same things. Among this list are Douglas Hofstadter (Goedel Escher Bach) and The Author (Matrix V - Quest of the Spirit).

I believe there is a pan-dimensional family of musicians, many of which are roaming this earth in human bodies. Some have died, others have moved between bodies.

One thing is hard to deny - we are on the cusp of something enormous. The crop circles are only one small key to understanding this. We often make the generalization of any big news as being negative and therefore a dis-info psy-op. Drunvalo's message is not negative, it's actually a very good thing. It is also a selfless thing, as some have pointed out - he is a nexus for many indigenous cultures which have a far wider perception than the modern corporate man. Even if they are all wrong, I feel that this man is a valuable teacher of issues that matter deeply and affect every moment of our existence.

To each their own, I suppose. We still have religion.

[Feritciva]

One of the things he claims in the interview is that the government of Russia is fully aware that the pole shift is coming and the only way to survive this is to evolve your consciousness and they are informing the people about it too.
I try to stay away from true or false most of the time, but I wonder if there is someone here on Avalon who lives in Russia and can confirm this claim.



I have lots of friends living in Russia and I've been there several times. I'm afraid there is nothing official or governmental in Russia about the pole shift but there's smth interesting about the place; the "seperation" that Dolores Cannon or other sources are talking about can be observed perfectly there - way more than any European country or USA etc. Big amounts of people are totally sleeping, only dealing with money, greed, daily life, Moscow is one of international capital-magnet, a very fast progressing action-packed city that never sleeps, official corruption is beyond your wildest guess but also there are some people that doing THE BEST energy and healing works I've ever came upon. So negatives are dark negative and light beings are seriously glowing there.

As for Drunvalo, he is one special person, he helped a lot of people to become aware, to understand important concepts, so I don't think there is anything wrong with him. There's only a kind of "spiritual-ego" in him that disturbed a lot of people along the way. I remember reading Serpent of Light (which is a great book) with lines like "nobody has done it before but I did it in several hours", "nobody had the permission to perform this but I have every permission" etc.etc. I smiled and said "this is typical Drunvalo". But you know what, we accepted and liked him as he is anyway! :)

[Snowbird]

I believe that what we hear from Drunvalo, who I trust, and from the indigenous peoples, are tales of the destructive timeline. There exist many timelines, but more possibly a few major timelines. There are also uplifting and positive timelines. We have also heard that these timelines will eventually converge and the uplifting timeline will prevail. This is the tough part for most people to imagine. Because in essence what is happening is that the Earth and the first three dimensions will fold upward together into the 4th dimension and beyond. Some people call this the Earth splitting. I call it ascension.

Drunvalo knows and understands what is really transpiring around our globe. He comes out and tells the truth as he knows it to people, and he is then threatened and experiences attempts on his life. He is also travel-weary because he goes all over the globe learning and teaching. He's exhausted. He looks it. But one of the main things that is currently affecting him in Sedona, Arizona where he lives, are chemtrails. During Kerry's interview with David Sereda(sp?), David stated that Sedona is being coated with chemtrails. Drunvalo is being adversely affected by this poison. This, plus he is aging. This happens to us all while in 3D. :yes4:

[Ol' Roy]

What is the hark! If we could get are lazy asses up o the couch, and spend 20 minutes to go within ourselveves, FTW 20 minutes away fom the TV. Sorry guys, but I go a long way to TM medition prehaps in the 80's. What harm can do?

[Maia Gabrial]

And I agree he looks bad. Like he has really bad allergies (likely) or he got punched in both eyes (unlikely).

His bad health may be due to all the chemtrails in that area. When I lived in Sedona, they went nuts with them. Also, there's an underground military base there that blasts the town with ultra LOW frequencies all the time....Makes you sick, too.... Beautiful place, but not worth living there for all that....

[Hervé]

Other avenues of investigations regarding "Drunvalo":


The 'World Savior' has no clothes ... (http://www.ethericwarriors.com/ip/viewtopic.php?t=28&highlight=katrina)
[...]

I mentioned that, a couple of years ago, one of the few remaining charismatic CIA moles who still had our confidence before inadvertently showing his/her hand had admitted current membership in Eckankar, that CIA/MI6 kindergarten for psychics, which is based on the typical, tired, regurgitated Theosophy bull$#!+.

The person had admitted to Carol, a friend of ours, and me that during a well-attended Eckankar international convention's 'meditation' phase he/she wandered out of the rented auditorium and into the lobby and saw a large group of beautiful, young/ancient Nordic types, standing around together and sipping a blood and wine mixture from crystal goblets. We presume the blood came from a slain infant or child, since that's typical sewer rat agency ritual protocol. He/she said that they were also soaking up the massive energy that the chest-pounding chumps in the auditorium were generating with their noisy, 'guided meditation.'

According to DB, Hollywood abounds with pretty reptile hybrids and apparently the Vryal are mainly reptiles, too.

Stevo mentioned that in California, when Drunvalo was trying to scam him into being essentially his psychic slave, several years ago, there was another associate of D's, a sleazy Eckankar proselyte, who claimed to have been one of Marcel Vogel's associates.

I'm sure DB met a lot of 'interesting' people. I didn't know Drunvalo (forget his real name ...anyway) and Greg Braden went to the same school. Who'd thunk of it?

[...]

J,
DB told me that he knew "Maitreya" when they were both in the GWB guru stable together, along with Braden, Twyman, Houston, Drunvalo, MacLaine, etc. I'll ask him if the guys' name was Craig Smith back in the day.

This is tricky ground. DB hesitates to publish what he knows because he doesn't want to be murdered again but he put a present photo of 'Maitreya' up on his previous site, at least. [D Bradley's new site is ethericfire.com/cbswork ~D]




Battling the Dark Side: Letter from the Philippines (Oct. 14, 2007) (http://educate-yourself.org/lte/phillipineletter14oct07.shtml)
Subject: to Ken Adachi
From: edelitha_schroeter@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, October 14, 2007
To: Ken Adachi, Editor
[...]

ZSL: Here Hardy gives her "credentials". She is a spiritual healer who is capable of removing parasitic entities. She was raised Roman Catholic as are most citizens of the Philippines and Poland. The lower astral into which she is working has Christian, Buddhist, Moslem, Polynesian, New Age and UFO archtypes and thoughtforms. I believe she is helping clean up the lower astral above the Philippines Indochina especially Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Burma, Indonesia and Southern China. She sees parasitic control latching onto incarnating souls and manipulating chakras in abhorrent ways. She sees how astral entities can alter their appearance and claim to be good when they are not. She sees how parasitic entities can control the pendulum and automatic writing. The reference to Drunvalo escapes me as it is years since I read the Flower of Life books. As Drunvalo reports to the CIA, I would question everything he has written. Hardy seems to believe Drunvalo is some sort of New Age saint, but the main reason of this email was to ask him why his methods are not working for her. More later on this point.

[...]

ZSL: This is confusing. There appears to have been an attack on Hardy and the people of Palawan by negative UFOs. The run-on sentence should have been split into two or three sentences. It appears Hardy used Drunvalo's double golden mean spiral as a protective counter-spell to the UFOs but it did not work.

"When all this happened, I informed Mr Drunvalo Melchesidek, but he did not reply (?). I feel that in this kind of ascension process, as it is told currently through messages of the Reptilians and Nephilim, there is something wrong with this merkaba [mkb]. The merkaba of the [Hawaiian] Kahunas was another thing."

ZSL:Drunvalo did not reply to Hardy's email. There is a missing connecting sentence appearing to associate Drunvalo's ascension teachings with the Reptilians and Nephilim. Having attempted to use Drunvalo's merkaba meditations myself I found them too intellectual and lengthy. They were more likely to prevent attunement to higher energies than to facilitate a unified connection. Having participated in Huna Circles the simpler Kahuna merkaba activation is far more effective in achieving "lift-off". That appears to be Hardy's experience too. The use of the merkaba meditation is important in Hardy's work into and within the lower astral.


Slim Spurling
By Zuerrnnovahh-Starr Livingstone
http://educate-yourself.org/zsl/slimspurling02jan08.shtml
January 2, 2008

I met Slim Spurling at the Can Am Dowsers Conference in Issaquah Washington at the end of May in 2005, two years before he passed away. Two months earlier, my wife and I tried to meet him in Denver but was prevented when my wife was hit by some sort of energy ray that heated her skin cherry red. I went without Joan. Inwardly, I felt the trip would be good.

[...]

He said he was planning to continue work with harmonizers on a coordinated continent sized scale. Another simpler project was recycling toxic industrial fly-ash into building bricks such as cinder-blocks. He said he has been talking to Drunvalo Melchizedek regarding many of these projects. Slim called him "Drew".

[...]

At the last meal together in the cafeteria at 5:00 PM on Sunday, I told Slim that I had met Drunvalo in the Spring of 1971 when he was still named Bernie Perona. "Bernie" was a real "space-cadet" in the hippie language of the day. His energy was far from stable. He may have been a "walk-in" or he may have flipped into an "alter". We were told to not allow him near us.

After a couple of incidents of energy vampiring, our teacher bought him a bus ticket to travel from Vancouver to Slocan and told him to balance his energies. Drunvalo credits David Livingstone as his first teacher on pages 402-3 of the Flower of Life, Book Two. Drunvalo does have spiritual gifts, but he also reports to the CIA. I told Slim to be careful.


I learned that Slim did break off communication with "Drew".
From another source, I learned that the man working on the "new technology patent" went into hiding after Slim fell into a coma.

Slim improved, regained consciousness, but was unable to speak. Or was he being quiet to protect others? Then he died.

Slim had a rough life. He was watched by the Powers That Be for much of his life, and Slim knew it. Yet, he continued to follow his "path", in spite of the interference.

In cowboy lingo, he was a straight shooter, a white hat in a sea of black hats.

Zuerrnnovahh-Starr Livingstone


A side note, neither Don Croft nor ZS Livingstone can see each other eye to eye...

[Cilka]

I dont believe everything Drunvalo is saying, but I like him, I truly think that he means well. I don't find anything negative about his message, and at least he is not propagating mass hysteria like a lot of the messegers are doing. I think that the pole shift is already happening gradually, and I also think that no one can tell someone what to do in order to ascend. In fact, I dont even like the word Ascension, it sounds to me like someone moving upwards to a higher dimension while still being in this 3D reality. Only time will tell what is and isn't true. We just have to be patient and we should always trust our own guts. But, listening to someone else's different view of what is to come never hurt anyone. It's just information, and all info is good for something.

[Debra]

I like your sense, Cilka. I think after watching the video with Liliou Mace, that Drunvalo was a well adjusted being, not pushing fear porn, explained the indigenous perspective to transition, and just came across as a nice grandad type, or out there uncle, too. But I also want to know what you thought of the previous post by Amzer Zo? This is the first I have acquainted with such material. The characters, the history, who wrote what and why?

Any thoughts from your world of sense?

Thanks,
Zebra


I dont believe everything Drunvalo is saying, but I like him, I truly think that he means well. I don't find anything negative about his message, and at least he is not propagating mass hysteria like a lot of the messegers are doing. I think that the pole shift is already happening gradually, and I also think that no one can tell someone what to do in order to ascend. In fact, I dont even like the word Ascension, it sounds to me like someone moving upwards to a higher dimension while still being in this 3D reality. Only time will tell what is and isn't true. We just have to be patient and we should always trust our own guts. But, listening to someone else's different view of what is to come never hurt anyone. It's just information, and all info is good for something.

[Ol' Roy]

My 75 lbs lab is trying to tell me something. He is sitting here by the computer. Sorry I read his message. Go out and buy 80 lbs. worth of dog food. Have you thought about your pet's? Moreso buy enough canned goods for 2 months. Without heat. Beans etc. water. Or at least the technogy to filter the water. Sorry guys, this is not fearmongering ,this is common sense. I am a boyscout from way back. The old scout motto is BE PREPARED!!

[Mandala]

Is anyone else getting "this video is currently unavailable"?

[Debra]

no, fine here.

Is anyone else getting "this video is currently unavailable"?

[Cilka]

I like your sense, Cilka. I think after watching the video with Liliou Mace, that Drunvalo was a well adjusted being, not pushing fear porn, explained the indigenous perspective to transition, and just came across as a nice grandad type, or out there uncle, too. But I also want to know what you thought of the previous post by Amzer Zo? This is the first I have acquainted with such material. The characters, the history, who wrote what and why?

Any thoughts from your world of sense?

Thanks,
Zebra


I dont believe everything Drunvalo is saying, but I like him, I truly think that he means well. I don't find anything negative about his message, and at least he is not propagating mass hysteria like a lot of the messegers are doing. I think that the pole shift is already happening gradually, and I also think that no one can tell someone what to do in order to ascend. In fact, I dont even like the word Ascension, it sounds to me like someone moving upwards to a higher dimension while still being in this 3D reality. Only time will tell what is and isn't true. We just have to be patient and we should always trust our own guts. But, listening to someone else's different view of what is to come never hurt anyone. It's just information, and all info is good for something.


Well, after reading Amzer Zo's info on Drunvalo, based on what I have read,seen,done and my own intuition, I actually feel some of it could be true, but then again we would need to do more research, gather more info on this character of Drunvalo and then maybe, just maybe we could come to some solid conclusion. The stuff with blood drinking is outdated; I am not trying to convince people that this is so they just need to research this more for themselves and find their own truth. I used to believe in the blood drinking stuff but not anymore.

I do believe that there are astral entities (these Nordics can also take the form of angels and spirit guides as well) that do take hold of some humans who resonate at a certain frequency and as a result are easier controlled by these entities. Based on what I have read on these Nordic type aliens, I believe that these are the ones that are trying to take over this planet. They seem to be not liking us, the humans, at all, and try their best to make sure that the right humans (who again resonate at a certain frequency), who would not hesitate to do harm their own kind, will get first class access to incredibly powerful weapons (like the direct free energy weapon that was used to take down WTC buildings), courtesy of these aliens, that will be used to eliminate our species. In order for them to be successful they have to control quite a few individuals so that the whole globe gets infected enough to make us want to destroy ourselves voluntarily. These aliens dont like to get their hands dirty, but then they dont have to as humans have been known to be violent for eons and are very much capable of doing the dirty job for anyone for the right price. We live in a materialistic world, there is a price set for everything. I think it is a great master plan, if I was an alien I would actually do exactly that. Why get my hands dirty when I can get others to do the destruction for me?

I seriously have no clue if Drunvalo is working for CIA, but majority of people working for covert organizations are not OK in their mind in the first place, they seem to be under the influence of something else, something outside of their mind. Though, I have to say that Drunvalo is a smooth operator, very charismatic, smart, knowledgable, an intellectual etc. I actually like him. He would be a perfect candidate for a job working for those who wish us to be enslaved in lies. And Drunvalo would not be the only such operator. Just watch the reaction of the interviewers, they seem to be reacting to these individuals as if they are high on something, like a spiritual drug. The funny thing is that these individuals have no idea they are being used, it's like when a parasite injects a poison into you and makes you say and do things without you knowing that you are being poisoned and made to do things robotically.

In regards to astral entities taking over human minds, you should consider reading DMT the Spirit Molecule by Strassman. You will get some idea how this works, especially when people find themselves under the influence of a psychedelic drug or even when they are in a meditative state. You know, with all this information out there, with all these spiritual gurus out there telling us that they have found a way for us to save ourselves, it all really gets quite overwhelming, doesn't it. And for that reason people must be on the lookout at all times, and not be swayed by charming gurus. Sure they mean well, but at what cost. The truth is, no one can save us, we can only save ourselves. And when someone says that we need to get out of this planet by ascending to somewhere else, because this planet will go through cataclysmic events, well, I would definitely question that person's sanity. Go where? Really! On a spaceship? Enter a portal that leads to where? A 4D Earth? Well, prove it to me first and then maybe I will consider going through this portal. But knowing myself so well, I know I will be staying right here on this planet, and no one will be able to convince me that I should go through here or there, or do this or that. The final decision should always be our own.

When the time comes we all will know what to do. If you panic, you will get trapped, and that is for sure.

I look at it this way, all information is crucial to finding the solution to our insane world. We are bombarded with bulls--t from every corner and it is our responsibility to sift throught this bull while being fully awake. Once you get sucked into the trance like thinking, like all is light and love stuff, then you lose your grip of your own self and someone else takes over and we will all get screwed. I seriously think that this is a crucial time in our human history,I just hope we won't screw up, because there won't be a second time.

[Debra]

Great reply, thank you so much Cilka. I will add that book by Strassman to my list. I always like to think that other humans are having some say over the sovereignty of their bodies. But perhaps this is a furphy, and that many are being subliminally controlled.
I feel the different energies and, like yourself, I discern for me, and only me. What my gut tells me.
It does help though to cast out and see what information is there. And to hear the perspectives of others. After that, we are the litmus test and should trust our own result.
Good point about ascension .. where??? * I am smiling here*
Nonetheless, I know an upgrade is still taking place and, go with the flow. I guess I must continue to see where it all leads.


Thanks again,
Zebra

[eva08]

Self sufficiency and independence were the concepts I have been raised with -- and I am still not there...

[Eram]

Thank you all, for your comments and reflections.

I see a number of people that feel that Drunvalo is meaning well, but lost in a way.
That is exactly what we (My partner and me) are feeling.
What attracted me to Drunvalo in the first place was his 'innocence' and the absence of heavy, angry, serious energy's that so many guru's have when you dig into some layers of the union of their persona. Now he seems to have lost that 'baby like' energy and I feel a lot of heaviness in him.

For me it's hard to know what is true and what not in all the teachings of Drunvalo. I know that I rejected his Merkaba meditaions immediately because they didn't feel right, but there are so many things that still make up a good portion of the foundation of my believe system. I'ts time for some evaluation of that maybe ;).

As for future predictions: I saw a video of a woman who was channelling pleiadeans (can't find it now) and they were telling a message on regard of the years of 2012 that we are now in. They told that people would be better of not to build big beliefs in any future projections, for they were to block the energy that is now coming to us. So heaving invested energy in a believe of what the future is to become, is to prevent you to receive all the transformational energy that is now coming to earth, hence you won't grow as fast as would be possible. To me that message is very profound and I try to stick with that.

[PathWalker]

Thank you all, for your comments and reflections.

I see a number of people that feel that Drunvalo is meaning well, but lost in a way.
That is exactly what we (My partner and me) are feeling.
What attracted me to Drunvalo in the first place was his 'innocence' and the absence of heavy, angry, serious energy's that so many guru's have when you dig into some layers of the union of their persona. Now he seems to have lost that 'baby like' energy and I feel a lot of heaviness in him.

If you do not like the energy from Drunvalo, try checking again the teaching from Dolores Cannon. She says about the same with different energy.
Good luck, and happy trails.

[Wind]

Drunvalo is just one of the many messengers of truth! I trust him. There are four people at the moment who I really trust with my heart: Pane Andov, Dolores Cannon, Drunvalo and Bob Dean. They are here to help us and they are spreading the message of hope! Many, many cultures speak of this time. This is the Shift of the Ages, the time when humanity evolves! This is the moment what many souls have waited for a long time and now it's almost upon us.

[Billy]

Hi Avalon,

I just watched this new interview with Drunvalo Melchizedek. I haven't been up to date with him for years now.
He was the first person who educated me on lots and lots of understandings of who we really are (1997). After that I went on to read en see other people and information.
Now, watching this interview I am amazed how much this man changed.
His energy feels so different... Almost as if he's eating himself up inside.

One of the things he claims in the interview is that the government of Russia is fully aware that the pole shift is coming and the only way to survive this is to evolve your consciousness and they are informing the people about it too.
I try to stay away from true or false most of the time, but I wonder if there is someone here on Avalon who lives in Russia and can confirm this claim.

There's something in me that is not at all afraid of the future and feels very optimistic.

N46nqG07FN0

The information and research that Drunvalo mentions in the video you will find here.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43521-Russian-Scientists-crack-crop-circle-code.-Conscious-shift-impending

[Maria Stade]

Truth is the core of all.
When a person use others and act in a way that is not from the core of truth an honesty I have a reaction.
But we all have the truth with in and as time goes by it will be relived to more and ore people.

This is what Susan Joy Rennison write on her blog

"I was very uncomfortable about Drunvalo talking about a magnetic pole shift (Video 7) being the precursor to a physical pole shift. The observation that the Earth's magnetic pole is moving is correct, but the discussion that the occurrence of no magnetic field at all causing a pole shift, is just plain rubbish. The Earth has ALREADY REVERSED IT'S MAGNETIC FIELD IN CERTAIN PLACES and the data shows that this is spreading quickly. There is no chance that the Earth's magnetic field will be zero all at once over the globe, so using theories that are 20 – 30 years old and ignoring what is taking place now is most certainly WRONG! This is NOT what the Mayan elders are teaching, this is Drunvalo's interpretation only."

She also have fine images on how the planet is changing.

http://www.susanrennison.com/Joyfire_dimensional_shift_info2.php

Maya dosen ot need any spokes man they will speek when it is time and they have.
What Drunvalo is doing is just beond my ....

The message is clear here is what they are saying.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChrL332aGQo&feature=relmfu


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgO78qK-Y9s&feature=relmfu


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJvleNfEBac&feature=relmfu


http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=sLYgLqEmMLE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po6SL6KaMJ0&feature=related

If you whant to know what the mayas are saying .. make contact with the mayas... simple.
I havent ever seen any of them mention Drunvalo..Have you ?

[PathWalker]

Truth is the core of all.
When a person use others and act in a way that is not from the core of truth an honesty I have a reaction.

I accept and support this statement. That "Truth is the core of all."
Yet truth is subjective and local. To our individual psychic, physical dimension and spiritual perception.
It it said the lie is different in each level.

Therefore different people connect with different teacher and modalities.
Accept that and you will feel it flowing much easier.
I have a formal education as a physicist, and I abandoned the scientific dogma (another control system). I am following my intuition more and more.
If you dislike the teaching of Drunvalo and get very connected to scientific material I suggest you check out Greg Braden and Nassim Haramein (BTW Drunvalo used to quote them allot).

Happy trail
Joy and happiness
PathWalker

[Maria Stade]

Truth is the core of all.
When a person use others and act in a way that is not from the core of truth an honesty I have a reaction.

I accept and support this statement. That "Truth is the core of all."
Yet truth is subjective and local. To our individual psychic, physical dimension and spiritual perception.
It it said the lie is different in each level.

Therefore different people connect with different teacher and modalities.
Accept that and you will feel it flowing much easier.
I have a formal education as a physicist, and I abandoned the scientific dogma (another control system). I am following my intuition more and more.
If you dislike the teaching of Drunvalo and get very connected to scientific material I suggest you check out Greg Braden and Nassim Haramein (BTW Drunvalo used to quote them allot).

Happy trail
Joy and happiness
PathWalker

My flow is not effected in any way by others following who ever they like... as long as people are distracting the selves with following others, instead of connecting with self... that is what they will do. LOL

Yes there are many intressting people having similar experiences that all describes the same .. in differet words ... and it is where many are going..

[Intraphase]

I think it's very easy to dismiss information that could be perceived as eschatological. It is obviously our choice to take it or leave it, though my personal choice has been to listen to this man. When I first saw him, I instantly recognized him as someone I have known for a very long time. I will be attending a seminar with Drunvalo in May, which I'm pretty excited about.

Drunvalo is among a very small collection of people who have corroborated the suspicions and intuitions that I've carried with me since childhood - until fairly recently I figured that I must be crazy... But other people are starting to say the same things. Among this list are Douglas Hofstadter (Goedel Escher Bach) and The Author (Matrix V - Quest of the Spirit).

I believe there is a pan-dimensional family of musicians, many of which are roaming this earth in human bodies. Some have died, others have moved between bodies.

One thing is hard to deny - we are on the cusp of something enormous. The crop circles are only one small key to understanding this. We often make the generalization of any big news as being negative and therefore a dis-info psy-op. Drunvalo's message is not negative, it's actually a very good thing. It is also a selfless thing, as some have pointed out - he is a nexus for many indigenous cultures which have a far wider perception than the modern corporate man. Even if they are all wrong, I feel that this man is a valuable teacher of issues that matter deeply and affect every moment of our existence.

To each their own, I suppose. We still have religion.

I get a kick out of Drumvalo.
Not sure if I am down with the pole shift.
In this world their is a spirit family of dreamers.
A society of knowers as the outer transfer shells.
They switch back and forth but rebuild narratives after each epoch.
Those who can see that are part of the narrative and index builders.


Great death metal piece on youtube sounded like a full bodied D45 acoustic.
The crop circles appear as abstract beings talking in abstractions to stay awake outside the continuum.
I think even most of the so called forgeries are people who don't really know why they do what they do.
The reason why it is so difficult to prove anything to anyone is because of the clocking differentials between instantaneous chatter between the two horizons that keep them in a 1=2 state and the far slower chat of a 16.5 billion light year thermal arrow range of this breath of life datalight. Even to observe routine functions of this universe can entail 20-30 years between magor events when the stars disappear and the 1=3 equations appear as the real engines of separation leading to individual states of consciousness narratives.


Cool piece by "Index Case"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgrtAUTFpko


Deserver

**** your memories
I don't believe in falling leaves
**** your sympathy
A set degree can kill a tree
**** your enemies
They try to be so nice to me
They dance around you

Falling down this endless name
The fingerprints on the wall will explain
Forgotten time left behind
Would love to be a part of this pain

**** your memories
Your thoughts inside shallow design
**** extremedies
You try to hide expose your lie
**** your everything
They try to be so nice to me
They dance around you

Is that okay with you


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mire1WJKdR8

"The next song is about a little boy who gets fed up with what he's doing and just wishes he could get away from it but really can't. Its called Leave On"

Time Codex

1=18 Vs 1=19
Time Code
0:18-0:19
Emit Code
1=19 Vs 1=18

Chair Codex

Left Chair = Justice Protects Mercy
Right Chair = Mercy Protects Justice


*Left Index - Fingers Left -Cheek(y) Bone*
Left index finger scratches left cheek bone.

Time always tells its tales.


Thxs for this tip "The Author (Matrix V - Quest of the Spirit)" I'll check it out.

[goinghome2012]

Drunvalo is not the only one warning about a pole shift. There is no financial gain and he has ties with the Mayans and other native blood.

In my opinion I think the three days of darkness void ties in with the pole shift, but it will happen while we are in the void stasis or after the transition into the 4 and 5th dimension.

spread the truth

There are still a lot of people in denial and think this is only a consciousness shift/a progression into a utopia.

this pole shift is needed, it has to happen, it is part of the birth pains into a new world

[Nickolai]

Hi, all!

I live in Saint - Pete and nope, no info here on the pole shift.
Ihave no idea where is this man is taking his information from. Certainly not from the official sources.
My guess he gets it from the members of the Flower of Life (though as far as I know they are also devided after the splitting of Mr Winter).

He might get the news from the Popovich trio, but well after watching them on youtube I had a bad feeling they were slightly off this world (meaning out of their mind).

Stay well,

Nickolai

PS What interests me the most here do the Mayans really going to perform this ritual signing the end of the male and starting of the female cyrcle. See? That's should be checked. If they do does it relate to his explanations? Do they join him with his explanations?
I am indifferent to the message but keeping in mind that he mentions the official information... Why? I am curious why he does it?

[Rantaak]

I believe there is a pan-dimensional family of musicians, many of which are roaming this earth in human bodies. Some have died, others have moved between bodies.


I get a kick out of Drumvalo.
Not sure if I am down with the pole shift.
In this world their is a spirit family of dreamers.
A society of knowers as the outer transfer shells.
They switch back and forth but rebuild narratives after each epoch.
Those who can see that are part of the narrative and index builders.


Cool, I love Death Metal! The guitar work is always really fun to play, too.

I'm interested to hear more regarding what you know about this family of dreamers!

[PathWalker]

If you want to watch the recent videos from Drunvalo, he is always focusing on the golden age rather then doom and gloom.
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[goinghome2012]

it's not Drunvalo that's lost, it is most of the people on this forum

[Earth Angel]

hmmm them's fightin words :boxing:



it's not Drunvalo that's lost, it is most of the people on this forum

[DreamsInDigital]

How can there be a pole shift when we're already in the middle of one? Anyone that claims they happen suddenly does NOT understand or have any knowledge based in scientific fact of how long pole shifts (both magnetic and physical) really take or what causes them or how they even work. They always take years YEARS to complete. Always. This is scientific facts based on geological evidence and centuries of research. Seriously there is not going to be a deadly pole shift. we will still be here after December 21st 2012. Anyone that is still falling for this "Pole Shift" hoax, do your own research from scientific and geological resources learn the real truth and facts from sites that aren't trying to sell lies and aren't motivated by making money off peoples fears. Nothing is going to happen that is major catastrophic events, or any end times or end of the world scenarios, it's time to stop living in fear and start LIVING and Thriving and expanding your minds and consciousness.

Excerpt from 2012hoax.org:


There are some things you need to know about the rumors of the "end of the world" or "Doomsday" in 20121.

The "2012 doomsday" is a hoax, a fraud, and an absolute con job. It is a cruel and disgusting lie being promoted by scam artists after money; First they scare people to death that something terrible is going to happen, then publish books and videos on "how to survive the apocalypse". Get the scam?! You're not going to fall for something like that… right?

The problem is that some people will fall for the scam. Some people will believe it. Some people will waste their money buying fake information on "how to survive". Some people will buy worthless survival kits, and some will even buy spaces in shelters that are not going to be built - ever!.

2012 Hoaxes Exposed with facts, and all kinds of evidence from multiple sources. (http://www.2012hoax.org/)
The Pole Shift and all other 2012 Scenario Hoaxes are fully debunked here on this site with real solid facts and evidence. It is seriously time to wake up and stop living in fear of something that isn't even real.

[WHOMADEGOD]

My intuition tells me his information is incorrect and to ne avoided. I do not even think he is misguided, I feel je he deliberately spreads false information for some agenda.

I am sorry if I am negative, I am sorry for upsetting those who feel otherwise, I am always being told to trust my intuition and this is what is tells me.

Please forgive me or ignore me :-)

Mark

[goinghome2012]

An actual physical pole shift can occur within 24 hours with the correct alignment of planets. Maybe this time will be different, but I am feeling it will be the end of the world as we know it, either by fire, our sun or an actual transition into another dimension.

How do you account for all the strange weather, the brightness and intensity of our sun, more earthquakes, volcanoes erupting, mass resignations from big corporations, magnetic disturbances, underground bases, Norway seed vault, mass animal die offs?

How do you know there won't be another physical pole shift? it happens every aprox 12,000 years when Atlantis fell from 4d world into 3d world, 10,000 BC the Fall of Man.

Now we are ascending moving towards heaven into 4d and then 5, so if the Georgia Guidestones are telling us something, read between the lines!!!!!

[Ernie Nemeth]

I read Drunvalo's book, "The Ancient Secrets of the Flower of Life, Part 1". It was really good and I was taken with the guy, he had me convinced. Not about pole shifts and such, but about the deep truths embedded in the spiral, and the seed of life diagram. I even started a thread about it, there was some interest for a while.
But then I began reading the second book (Part 2). I got a few hundred pages in when an exercise stopped me dead in my tracks. I was instructed to cut out this drawing and fold along certain lines and assemble a tetrahedron from it. Well, I tried and tried and tried and tried - but I could not put the thing together. Now, six months later, I still take out the paper and try to fold it into the required shape to no avail. An inner guidance told me that until I can assemble the proper shape I am to drop this area of contemplation and research. So I have not done any work in this area since.
Given that, I must say that I cannot agree with him on the pole shift scenario because working with the Tree of Life, if you are not properly prepared, is dangerous and disconcerting. The information clashes with the accepted dogma of our society and is confusing because so much has to be reprioritized, erased or reworded within the mind. Also, work with the Tree of Life opens up doorways in the mind that causes the weight, the importance, of mundane concerns to deminish. In such a state information begins to flow in through these mental doorways that is not fitting for us humans to entertain at this time. By delving into this inappropriate information, facts can easily be misunderstood or interpreted incorrectly.
Remember also that Drunvalo has the most powerful entity on this planet visiting him almost daily. Imagine how that must mess with your mind...
If you don't stay centered in such an intensely paradigm-changing situation, you can easily forget your priorities and the truth as you once thought you understood it.
Could that be what happened to Drunvalo? I don't know. But it is at least a possibility.

[DreamsInDigital]

Ok,

There is NO scientific evidence either earth based or ET based that says anything about a pole shift happening within 24 hours and affected by specific alignment of planets, that is also covered in the site I provided the link for. There is nothing wrong with the sun, another shovel of fear porn propagated by people that don't understand or know anything science / astrophysics based about our Sun, if they did they would not be making those claims. And not by fire either. Transitions/Dimsensional Upliftments/ Consciousness Expansions do not cause the world to end. We will still have planet earth as we move into 4D/5D. Please check out the site you'll see for your self.

No, the world is NOT going to end, that is just fear porn, this is covered extensively on that site with facts, science, all kinds of solid proof and evidence. The world will still be here on December 22nd and into 2013 etc for a VERY long time.

What is not covered on the site BUT scientifically supported is our evolution and the consciousness expansion that is happening , research Susan Joy Rennison, she supports scientifically what a lot of us ET/ED contacts have been talking about for decades now.

Some of the strange weather is do to weather manipulation by HAARP , it's sister stations and the Scalar Weather Control Tech that Russia has. The rest of the strange weather is do to the magnetic pole shift we are already in the process of experiencing (evidence of this is available by researching recent in past few years Major Airport Renumbering, etc). This also explains the magnetic disturbances and quite possibly some of the mass animal die offs that can't be attributed to HAARP. Or, in the case of the Dolphins and Whales, sonar and other sound blasting and sonic equipment test being done by the Navy.

Earthquakes increases, and volcanoes eruptions are easily explainable, the crust/planet is expanding (esoterically speaking? Because of the upcoming dimensional shift) both north and south from the equator, also the magnetic pole shift will cause some of these, the solar flares cause earth quakes, we are in a solar maximum. Also, there is the extensive use of HAARP and Explosives that are causing some of these earthquakes, evidence? See, Fukushima and the New Zealand earthquakes in Christ Church.

The brightness and intensity of the sun is among other things do to solar maximum that we are in, if you want to get esoteric or extra terrestrial based, the movement into 4D/5D the sun turns into a blue/white star.

The mass resignations from big corporations, have you not been following the whole Drake/ Oath Keepers thing? Or the fact that some are still un/misinformed enough to believe that there is going to be a WW3 or something similar even though there isn't? Most though are heading for the hills because they think (even though they are wrong) there is going to be the huge financial collapse (ie: rats escaping a sinking ship by jumping into a ocean filled with sharks) also if you want an reason that isn't supported or connected to the whole Anti-Tyranny Planetary Liberation Movement. And, the georgia guide stones? They're a fancy monument but meaningless, except maybe to Christians. I strongly suggest you read that site, check it out. You will find answers to all these questions you are asking and more.

Btw, Atlantis sunk roughly about 13,000 years ago, not 10,000 or 12,000. And, it did not sink because of falling into 3D from 4D, it sunk because there was fighting over the planet and it's population and a huge massive nuclear war took place. And, there is no evidence that physical pole shifts happen every 12,000 years. It's the magnetic pole shifts that happen every 8,000 - 12,000 years. The only real physical pole shifts that weren't caused by the planet being moved from one orbit to another, the last one was almost 800,000 years ago. Geological evidence supports this, science, real facts. Not some religious dogma crap or channeler that is likely channeling that Reptoid Artificial Intelligence Ship. I'm talking Real Scientific Facts and Real Scientific Evidence, that is provable and available for anyone that wants to do their own research on the internet, heck the majority of it is collected and on that site I gave the link to.

Please seriously read the information on 2012hoax.org, you'll feel better knowing all this "End Of The World" stuff is just crap, a scam to sell books and make money. And scare people so they're easier to control.

Yes, we ARE experiencing an evolvement, an upliftment, an consciousness expansion, yes we will be going into either 4D or 5D but not likely until around 2013 or ??? It depends on when things reach the required levels for this to happen, this IS scientifically supported by Susan Joy Rennison and other Physicist/Scientist. Check out her site, she has multiple degrees. She has done real provable scientific research. But, that's pretty much it.

And, I have been reading between the lines, that's why I KNOW the world is NOT going to end, and there is NOT going to be any mass catastrophic events or mass casualties anywhere. Read that site, do research on real science and geological information sites that aren't influenced by all this religious or ascension dogma. Do some real research on real scientific sites that have real facts and the real truth. I don't even need to base anything on my decades of ET/ED contact and the fact that I'm an Incarnate to say any of this. Just YEARS of real research on real science and geological sites that have real solid evidence and aren't tainted by religious or ascension dogma and the motivation to sell books, make money off sheep that are willing to believe any scrap of information tossed their way.

This is at least the third time I have suggested/advised to you and others to check out www.2012hoax.org and get the real truth, scientific facts, evidence etc. And, stop living in fear or depression or misinformed frame of mind. I share this information because I care, and because I am a real stickler for real truth/facts. Plus, I research to death and analyze everything extensively. Everything you are asking about is explained and covered on that site. Read It, you'll all feel better after, I promise.

You guys keep screaming for real evidence, and source links to support information. It gets provided and because it doesn't fit with the dogma that's been shoved down peoples throats instead of reality, real truth, real science, real evidence. It gets ignored. I'm not saying "take my word for it" I'm saying "Go Do your OWN research, check out the site, follow the sources, see for your self. Educate Your Self with Real Facts, Real Science. Real Evidence." I'm just trying to help, we're all here to mentor those that need the help and actually want it, that's all I'm trying to do here. And, if I have to, I have no qualms about sometimes using a steel toed boot up someone's back side, or a nerf bat to smack someone upside the head with. Sometimes The Truth Hurts.

[Hervé]

Ok,

[...]



Fully with you on the whole 9 yards on that one DID.

What's at play here is that there is a memory of these past catastrophes embedded in the human collective "unconscious" which the "doom, and gloomers" are actively triggering with every generation for the past 10,000 years to their own benefits.

With the combined efforts of MSM and alternative media, this triggering is amplified to a max planet wide and people who are less aware than the ones who accessed these memories from past lives can't help but "feel it to be resonating with them"...

Once the triggered memory is activated it overpowers conscious, rational activities in the very same way as a "post hypnotic command" which people are unaware of.

That's the crux of the matter.

[goinghome2012]

Ok,

There is NO scientific evidence either earth based or ET based that says anything about a pole shift happening within 24 hours and affected by specific alignment of planets, that is also covered in the site I provided the link for. There is nothing wrong with the sun, another shovel of fear porn propagated by people that don't understand or know anything science / astrophysics based about our Sun, if they did they would not be making those claims. And not by fire either. Transitions/Dimsensional Upliftments/ Consciousness Expansions do not cause the world to end. We will still have planet earth as we move into 4D/5D. Please check out the site you'll see for your self.

No, the world is NOT going to end, that is just fear porn, this is covered extensively on that site with facts, science, all kinds of solid proof and evidence. The world will still be here on December 22nd and into 2013 etc for a VERY long time.

What is not covered on the site BUT scientifically supported is our evolution and the consciousness expansion that is happening , research Susan Joy Rennison, she supports scientifically what a lot of us ET/ED contacts have been talking about for decades now.

Some of the strange weather is do to weather manipulation by HAARP , it's sister stations and the Scalar Weather Control Tech that Russia has. The rest of the strange weather is do to the magnetic pole shift we are already in the process of experiencing (evidence of this is available by researching recent in past few years Major Airport Renumbering, etc). This also explains the magnetic disturbances and quite possibly some of the mass animal die offs that can't be attributed to HAARP. Or, in the case of the Dolphins and Whales, sonar and other sound blasting and sonic equipment test being done by the Navy.

Earthquakes increases, and volcanoes eruptions are easily explainable, the crust/planet is expanding (esoterically speaking? Because of the upcoming dimensional shift) both north and south from the equator, also the magnetic pole shift will cause some of these, the solar flares cause earth quakes, we are in a solar maximum. Also, there is the extensive use of HAARP and Explosives that are causing some of these earthquakes, evidence? See, Fukushima and the New Zealand earthquakes in Christ Church.

The brightness and intensity of the sun is among other things do to solar maximum that we are in, if you want to get esoteric or extra terrestrial based, the movement into 4D/5D the sun turns into a blue/white star.

The mass resignations from big corporations, have you not been following the whole Drake/ Oath Keepers thing? Or the fact that some are still un/misinformed enough to believe that there is going to be a WW3 or something similar even though there isn't? Most though are heading for the hills because they think (even though they are wrong) there is going to be the huge financial collapse (ie: rats escaping a sinking ship by jumping into a ocean filled with sharks) also if you want an reason that isn't supported or connected to the whole Anti-Tyranny Planetary Liberation Movement. And, the georgia guide stones? They're a fancy monument but meaningless, except maybe to Christians. I strongly suggest you read that site, check it out. You will find answers to all these questions you are asking and more.

Btw, Atlantis sunk roughly about 13,000 years ago, not 10,000 or 12,000. And, it did not sink because of falling into 3D from 4D, it sunk because there was fighting over the planet and it's population and a huge massive nuclear war took place. And, there is no evidence that physical pole shifts happen every 12,000 years. It's the magnetic pole shifts that happen every 8,000 - 12,000 years. The only real physical pole shifts that weren't caused by the planet being moved from one orbit to another, the last one was almost 800,000 years ago. Geological evidence supports this, science, real facts. Not some religious dogma crap or channeler that is likely channeling that Reptoid Artificial Intelligence Ship. I'm talking Real Scientific Facts and Real Scientific Evidence, that is provable and available for anyone that wants to do their own research on the internet, heck the majority of it is collected and on that site I gave the link to.

Please seriously read the information on 2012hoax.org, you'll feel better knowing all this "End Of The World" stuff is just crap, a scam to sell books and make money. And scare people so they're easier to control.

Yes, we ARE experiencing an evolvement, an upliftment, an consciousness expansion, yes we will be going into either 4D or 5D but not likely until around 2013 or ??? It depends on when things reach the required levels for this to happen, this IS scientifically supported by Susan Joy Rennison and other Physicist/Scientist. Check out her site, she has multiple degrees. She has done real provable scientific research. But, that's pretty much it.

And, I have been reading between the lines, that's why I KNOW the world is NOT going to end, and there is NOT going to be any mass catastrophic events or mass casualties anywhere. Read that site, do research on real science and geological information sites that aren't influenced by all this religious or ascension dogma. Do some real research on real scientific sites that have real facts and the real truth. I don't even need to base anything on my decades of ET/ED contact and the fact that I'm an Incarnate to say any of this. Just YEARS of real research on real science and geological sites that have real solid evidence and aren't tainted by religious or ascension dogma and the motivation to sell books, make money off sheep that are willing to believe any scrap of information tossed their way.

This is at least the third time I have suggested/advised to you and others to check out www.2012hoax.org and get the real truth, scientific facts, evidence etc. And, stop living in fear or depression or misinformed frame of mind. I share this information because I care, and because I am a real stickler for real truth/facts. Plus, I research to death and analyze everything extensively. Everything you are asking about is explained and covered on that site. Read It, you'll all feel better after, I promise.

You guys keep screaming for real evidence, and source links to support information. It gets provided and because it doesn't fit with the dogma that's been shoved down peoples throats instead of reality, real truth, real science, real evidence. It gets ignored. I'm not saying "take my word for it" I'm saying "Go Do your OWN research, check out the site, follow the sources, see for your self. Educate Your Self with Real Facts, Real Science. Real Evidence." I'm just trying to help, we're all here to mentor those that need the help and actually want it, that's all I'm trying to do here. And, if I have to, I have no qualms about sometimes using a steel toed boot up someone's back side, or a nerf bat to smack someone upside the head with. Sometimes The Truth Hurts.

bravo, thank for all that information, unfortunately in my opinion you have typed a lot of bs mixed with truth, I wonder why?

[Hervé]

*** qed ***

[goinghome2012]

Nibiru is approaching soon, prepare for major change

end of time

dimensional shift