Differences between Dimensions, Densities and Frequency explained.

[DreamsInDigital]

I thought since the last conversation on dimensions went so well, I'd continue sense it seems some are still confused about the differences between Dimensions and Densities are. Then maybe we can expand from there into hyperdimensions and our thoughts on how they interact and relate?

Is 3D the main dimension and the others similar to "plug ins" or "expansion packs" as some think?

Or are they all relatively individual and self contained as some others seem to think?

Here's some terminology to help:

Terminology

Density:

Density denotes a vibrational frequency and not a location, which the term "dimension" implies. The density structure of this reality is primarily expressed in multiple levels, though each level has sub-levels within it. The density scale is a model used to communicate one's perception of orientation in relation to other realities.

Dimension:

Dimension refers to one's location in space/time rather then a person's vibrational frequency (density). Webster defines "dimension" as "Magnitude measured in a particular direction, specifically length, breadth, thickness or time." There are an infinite number of dimensions existing with a given density or vibrational frequency.

Frequency:

Matter is vibrating energy. Different vibrationary rates denote the properties. Frequency is the rate at which molecules or consciousness vibrate.

And, a page with many links to expand your brain with even more:
Dimensions and Hyperdimensions (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_dimensionshyperdimensions.htm)

Thoughts? And, please be as detailed and expansive as possible with your replies. I want to really see some well thought out responses.

[Daozen]

I was going to suggest someone start a thread on this...

- I think the 3rd, 4th, 5th etc standard model is misleading. It puts the highest dimension at an arbitrary number...Say 10, 11 or 12.
I prefer the model that has God/The Highest Power/The Divine etc in the centre: Dimension 0. Then very high beings at dimension 1. Avatars and Archangels in, say, dimension 3. You'd represent it as outward radiating concentric circles. Our dimension would be on the outermost ring.

Sal Rachele had a good overview on this. The original Eckankar has a good mental map of the dimensions. They say "Astral Projection" is misleading.... "Soul Travel", or "Return to the Source" is a better way of describing these journeys. You are just returning to the God within.

The term density is also misleading, as the energy gets more refined the higher you go. Some somewhere called them undensities.

[Maia Gabrial]

Hey DreamsInDigital,
Which category would the mind be in?

[DeDukshyn]

This topic and context needs to be more openly discussed and taught to people. Everything is vibration -- music theory holds secrets into this arena - if everyone realizes the "Vibrating Universe" and it's implications, the old rigid false paradigm can be broken. This is good work DID -- keep this direction up - I have been observing the context of many of your posts and while I have not been very vocal on any of your threads I support your work ;) I likely have a ton of info to share - I have written a few documents to seek to explain these concepts -- I'll see if I can dig some out but don't hold your breath. I'll bookmark this thread. Thanks! ;)

[Mozart]

Thoughts? And, please be as detailed and expansive as possible with your replies. I want to really see some well thought out responses.

Excellent idea for this kind of thread, Digital. I've long wanted to do this kind of thread, but I kept on putting it off.

Yes, your explanations of the differences of densities and dimensions were spot-on.

As you invited, I'll add in a bit on this topic.


"Density" is a correct term

And, yes, the term of "densities" can be misconstrued, as the higher densities appear to be "less dense", but that's because they vibrate at faster speeds -- so fast that you can't see them. So, in a sense, those higher-density vibrations are "less dense", but in actuality, they pack in MORE energy via their speeds of vibrational frequency.

So when you pack in higher, faster frequencies, you pack in more energy, thus you go higher, more dense in terms of energy; lower densities vibrate at much slower vibrational speeds, so they appear to be more dense, thicker and slower.


8 Densities / Dimensions

There are about as many densities out there as there are channelers who claim all sorts of numbers of densities and/or dimensions, like 10, 12, 26, or whatever. The vast majority of those are incorrect in terms of densities.

In this octave of experience as we know it, there are 8 (eight) densities, no more, no less.

There are 8 densities. There are also eight dimensions. It's easy to get the two all mixed up, but they are very different; however, as DID eloquently pointed out, the former has to do with what rate / level of vibrational frequency and the latter has do do with location.


Densities

1st Density ~~

Atoms, molecules, elements, metals, rocks, dirt, etc. The basic building blocks of life. The Table of Elements. Many planets are 1st-density planets that are basically balls of rocks in space. No life. The purpose of this first density is to experience being the building blocks, the structure of life.

This is the first stage of life experience outside of the Source and into the worlds of maya, of illusion, of creation for a little, new Soul Spark that emerges from the Source to experience life "outside" of the Unity of the Tao.


2nd Density ~~

Bacteria, virus, molds, cells, plants, animals, etc. Life. Animated life. Many planets are 2nd-density planets that can support 2nd-density life. Pets that you have are 2nd-density creatures. The purpose of this level of density experience is for the sparks of life, the little Soul Sparks, to be animated, to feel alive, to move about, to gain all sorts of experiences that are available to 2nd-density creatures.


3rd Density ~~

Sentient mammals, such as humans, cetaceans, etc. The little Soul Sparks of life shifts upward into this stage when they are ready, and at this stage, self-awareness happens, so the little Soul Sparks engage in a series of lifetimes to experience all the 22 archetypes of living experiences as a 3rd-density being.

There are many planets -- 63,000,000 of them in our Milky Way Galaxy alone -- that support this level of life on them. A planetary home is a 3rd dimension that supports all three of the initial densities that merge together to create a complete planetary experience that supports life as we know it.

The central purpose to this 3rd-density stage is choice -- Choices of love, fear; of light and dark; of love and hate; of war and peace; of highs and lows; of ups and downs; this way or that way; yin and yang to serve others or to serve self, etc.

Choice. What will you choose? And why?


4th Density ~~

4th density is the next level of life experience beyond our 3rd density experiences as we know it and it also happens on a higher dimension as well. This density is physical like 3rd density, but it vibrates at much higher frequencies than the 3rd density. Third density is not "electrically compatible" with the 4th density. I'm quoting the Ra Material with these quotes that I'm using here and there in this post.

4th density will exist on Earth fully and physically manifest; it will be about 2,000 feet thicker than the entire third dimension Earth as we know it. It has yin/yang, negative/positive, but it's a dimension that is "100 times more harmonious" than this 3rd density experience in this third dimension as we know it.

The veil of illusion is not fully drawn over each soul, so everyone will know that our shared Source, our All That Is is for real. Our DNA will be more activated and we will have advanced telepathic, telekinetic, etc abilities. Foodstuffs are far more refined and our bodies in 4th density will not be carbon-based like they are in 3rd density.

The main purpose of this density is to experience -- giving and receiving (or not) -- universal love unconditionally.


5th Density ~~

This is the next step up for a Soul Spark in its return path back to the Source from which it emerged eons ago when it first bravely jumped out of the field of Unity from the Source.

5th density also is physical, but it's a much higher rate of frequency; negative/positive duality also still exists here, but the harmony is even higher and better than in 4th density.

The central purpose of this 5th density is to experience the wisdom of how/when/where to give out unconditional love.


6th density ~~

In this density, the yin/yang duality disappears and one must merge the duality aspects of oneself into one unified being.

In this density the Soul Sparks starts to make an effort to merge with other Soul Sparks with which they had together made the jump from the Tao eons ago. Social Memory Complexes are formed and this is the level at which your Higher Self exists, your soul with which sparks/animates the being that you are, here in the familiar 3rd density and third dimension.

The Ra Social Memory Complex exists/functions at this level. David Wilcock is a part of this group. Beings at this level can go straight into our sun without flinching an eye. The beings at this level are the primary guiding lights -- through the Council of Saturn -- that are guiding our planetary shifts in our defeating the dark bastard elites and more.

Each one of us have Higher Selves and those Higher Selves exist in the 6th density. You can connect with your Higher Self through your dream state, as the vast majority of your dreams are messages from your own Higher Self. Pay close attention to your dreams and ask your Higher Self for guidance in your life.

Your Higher Self knows you BETTER than you know yourself -- really!


7th density ~~

The central purpose of this stage in this particular octave of experience of life is for the entire Social Memory Complex to start to focus on returning back to the Source, to the Tao, when they make the jump into the 8th density ... which is the 1st density level of experience of life in the next octave of experiences.


8th density ~~

The Source, the Tao, the All That Is, the God/Goddess, Big Dude Upstairs, Intelligent Infinity, Divine Mother, etc.


This link ...

http://www.lawofone.info/

... will give you much more information about these densities / dimensions.


Yes, most channeled material out there is distorted by the channeler/medium, so one cannot really rely on such material for accurate information; however, the Ra Material is head-and-shoulders above all channeled material that exists on Earth.

It's been around for three decades now, and after all that time, not ONE researcher out there has yet to find a flaw, an error of fact in the Ra Material. The Ra Material had shared dozens of then-unknown scientific bits of information that have been subsequently been proven to be true or to exist by the cutting-edge science that discovered later on facts that supported the information that is in the Ra Material.

I've read it for 10 years and I STILL find tons of awesome bits of information in it. It's my foundation for my understanding of life and I've YET to find any information out there that contradicts anything in the Ra Material. David Wilcock also makes the Ra Material his cornerstone of his perception(s) of life as we know it.

And what evidence do we have about the idea of 8 densities that are supposed to exist?

Well, consider that:

1) Light has 7 colors ... with the 8th color being white that contains all the colors.

2) Cell mitosis has 7 steps in it with the 8th step being the first step of the next phase in cell mitosis

3) Each planet has 7 levels of densities around each planet, as discovered by an astrophysicist -- Dr William Tifft -- who has discovered seven different "domain walls" that surround each planet, each sun and each galaxy. The 8th density is the one that contains all the 7 differentiated densities. Like the layers of an onion.

4) The octave of music has 8 notes with the ending/starting note being the ending/starting note for the next octave of music.

5) We have 7 primary chakras in our bodies with the 8th one being the sphere of light that encompasses our bodies.

6) We have seven bodies -- physical, mental, emotional, astral, causal, etc -- that encompass our wholeness of being -- the 8th is the whole of our aura.

And so on.

[Debra]

Hi DreamsInDigital,

thanks for opening this thread. Separating out the terminology is important at this time and I have much to ingest still - so I can track this within myself - and perhaps I can support others too with more knowledge as well under my belt. Looking for interesting videos also that help people to understand what it is we are trying to explain here. For my own education as well.

I came across this interview with Lisa M Harrison in March and thought it might be relevant .. as the interviewees, Michael Monk and Peter Shelton - http://www.avatarenergymaster.com tease out the terms some more and how they see them. They run an Energy Mastery School, to help humanity understand empowerment via soul energy, how to form a unified collective consciousness, to understand the ascension process, and to guide them past all limiting belief systems.

Here's the interview:
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[Hervé]

Some "old fashion" way of looking at things:

Density:

It's only the amount of material contained in a unit of space... hence a degree of condensation of said material within a unit of space (volume).

What changes the density of any material is its state of "agitation" or the speed at which it is vibrating (frequency).

Hence, iron whether in solid, liquid or gazeous state... is still "iron," that's something that's lost to too many.

In this physical universe, what allows transitions from one range of density to another is "heat" (radiated energy) which provides the energy to agitate (liquify) or de-agitate (solidify, when withdrawn) molecules relationships.

In the spiritual universe, my take is that the equivalent to "heat" is "love" but it's still a "universe" reducible to 3 dimensions....


Dimension/Space:

Now, for the big shock: Any space can be reduced to three, and only three (3) dimensions.

Time is only a factor introduced to re-arrange the space that remains a 3-dimensional one.

Any universe which uses space to locate objects in it has only three dimensions since the prerequisite for interaction is the possibility of interferences between waves (frequency matching allowing for holographic constructions; vivid "dreams" more "real" than physical "reality").

Time travel is only a looking at that space with a specific arrangement of the various objects in it. Hence the different remote viewing outcomes depending on the variables/factors taken into account.


So... "transdimensionals"... not quite, but better sounding than "transdensity manifestations." Etc...


To summarize, instead of invoking the "Dear dad, forgive them for they know not of what they speaketh," I would say "Man! Bust these miscreants for confusing the issue beyond recognition!"

[white wizard]

Thoughts? And, please be as detailed and expansive as possible with your replies. I want to really see some well thought out responses.

Excellent idea for this kind of thread, Digital. I've long wanted to do this kind of thread, but I kept on putting it off.

Yes, your explanations of the differences of densities and dimensions were spot-on.

As you invited, I'll add in a bit on this topic.


"Density" is a correct term

And, yes, the term of "densities" can be misconstrued, as the higher densities appear to be "less dense", but that's because they vibrate at faster speeds -- so fast that you can't see them. So, in a sense, those higher-density vibrations are "less dense", but in actuality, they pack in MORE energy via their speeds of vibrational frequency.

So when you pack in higher, faster frequencies, you pack in more energy, thus you go higher, more dense in terms of energy; lower densities vibrate at much slower vibrational speeds, so they appear to be more dense, thicker and slower.


8 Densities / Dimensions

There are about as many densities out there as there are channelers who claim all sorts of numbers of densities and/or dimensions, like 10, 12, 26, or whatever. The vast majority of those are incorrect in terms of densities.

In this octave of experience as we know it, there are 8 (eight) densities, no more, no less.

There are 8 densities. There are also eight dimensions. It's easy to get the two all mixed up, but they are very different; however, as DID eloquently pointed out, the former has to do with what rate / level of vibrational frequency and the latter has do do with location.


Densities

1st Density ~~

Atoms, molecules, elements, metals, rocks, dirt, etc. The basic building blocks of life. The Table of Elements. Many planets are 1st-density planets that are basically balls of rocks in space. No life. The purpose of this first density is to experience being the building blocks, the structure of life.

This is the first stage of life experience outside of the Source and into the worlds of maya, of illusion, of creation for a little, new Soul Spark that emerges from the Source to experience life "outside" of the Unity of the Tao.


2nd Density ~~

Bacteria, virus, molds, cells, plants, animals, etc. Life. Animated life. Many planets are 2nd-density planets that can support 2nd-density life. Pets that you have are 2nd-density creatures. The purpose of this level of density experience is for the sparks of life, the little Soul Sparks, to be animated, to feel alive, to move about, to gain all sorts of experiences that are available to 2nd-density creatures.


3rd Density ~~

Sentient mammals, such as humans, cetaceans, etc. The little Soul Sparks of life shifts upward into this stage when they are ready, and at this stage, self-awareness happens, so the little Soul Sparks engage in a series of lifetimes to experience all the 22 archetypes of living experiences as a 3rd-density being.

There are many planets -- 63,000,000 of them in our Milky Way Galaxy alone -- that support this level of life on them. A planetary home is a 3rd dimension that supports all three of the initial densities that merge together to create a complete planetary experience that supports life as we know it.

The central purpose to this 3rd-density stage is choice -- Choices of love, fear; of light and dark; of love and hate; of war and peace; of highs and lows; of ups and downs; this way or that way; yin and yang to serve others or to serve self, etc.

Choice. What will you choose? And why?


4th Density ~~

4th density is the next level of life experience beyond our 3rd density experiences as we know it and it also happens on a higher dimension as well. This density is physical like 3rd density, but it vibrates at much higher frequencies than the 3rd density. Third density is not "electrically compatible" with the 4th density. I'm quoting the Ra Material with these quotes that I'm using here and there in this post.

4th density will exist on Earth fully and physically manifest; it will be about 2,000 feet thicker than the entire third dimension Earth as we know it. It has yin/yang, negative/positive, but it's a dimension that is "100 times more harmonious" than this 3rd density experience in this third dimension as we know it.

The veil of illusion is not fully drawn over each soul, so everyone will know that our shared Source, our All That Is is for real. Our DNA will be more activated and we will have advanced telepathic, telekinetic, etc abilities. Foodstuffs are far more refined and our bodies in 4th density will not be carbon-based like they are in 3rd density.

The main purpose of this density is to experience -- giving and receiving (or not) -- universal love unconditionally.


5th Density ~~

This is the next step up for a Soul Spark in its return path back to the Source from which it emerged eons ago when it first bravely jumped out of the field of Unity from the Source.

5th density also is physical, but it's a much higher rate of frequency; negative/positive duality also still exists here, but the harmony is even higher and better than in 4th density.

The central purpose of this 5th density is to experience the wisdom of how/when/where to give out unconditional love.


6th density ~~

In this density, the yin/yang duality disappears and one must merge the duality aspects of oneself into one unified being.

In this density the Soul Sparks starts to make an effort to merge with other Soul Sparks with which they had together made the jump from the Tao eons ago. Social Memory Complexes are formed and this is the level at which your Higher Self exists, your soul with which sparks/animates the being that you are, here in the familiar 3rd density and third dimension.

The Ra Social Memory Complex exists/functions at this level. David Wilcock is a part of this group. Beings at this level can go straight into our sun without flinching an eye. The beings at this level are the primary guiding lights -- through the Council of Saturn -- that are guiding our planetary shifts in our defeating the dark bastard elites and more.

Each one of us have Higher Selves and those Higher Selves exist in the 6th density. You can connect with your Higher Self through your dream state, as the vast majority of your dreams are messages from your own Higher Self. Pay close attention to your dreams and ask your Higher Self for guidance in your life.

Your Higher Self knows you BETTER than you know yourself -- really!


7th density ~~

The central purpose of this stage in this particular octave of experience of life is for the entire Social Memory Complex to start to focus on returning back to the Source, to the Tao, when they make the jump into the 8th density ... which is the 1st density level of experience of life in the next octave of experiences.


8th density ~~

The Source, the Tao, the All That Is, the God/Goddess, Big Dude Upstairs, Intelligent Infinity, Divine Mother, etc.


This link ...

http://www.lawofone.info/

... will give you much more information about these densities / dimensions.


Yes, most channeled material out there is distorted by the channeler/medium, so one cannot really rely on such material for accurate information; however, the Ra Material is head-and-shoulders above all channeled material that exists on Earth.

It's been around for three decades now, and after all that time, not ONE researcher out there has yet to find a flaw, an error of fact in the Ra Material. The Ra Material had shared dozens of then-unknown scientific bits of information that have been subsequently been proven to be true or to exist by the cutting-edge science that discovered later on facts that supported the information that is in the Ra Material.

I've read it for 10 years and I STILL find tons of awesome bits of information in it. It's my foundation for my understanding of life and I've YET to find any information out there that contradicts anything in the Ra Material. David Wilcock also makes the Ra Material his cornerstone of his perception(s) of life as we know it.

And what evidence do we have about the idea of 8 densities that are supposed to exist?

Well, consider that:

1) Light has 7 colors ... with the 8th color being white that contains all the colors.

2) Cell mitosis has 7 steps in it with the 8th step being the first step of the next phase in cell mitosis

3) Each planet has 7 levels of densities around each planet, as discovered by an astrophysicist -- Dr William Tifft -- who has discovered seven different "domain walls" that surround each planet, each sun and each galaxy. The 8th density is the one that contains all the 7 differentiated densities. Like the layers of an onion.

4) The octave of music has 8 notes with the ending/starting note being the ending/starting note for the next octave of music.

5) We have 7 primary chakras in our bodies with the 8th one being the sphere of light that encompasses our bodies.

And so on.

Wow I felt goose bumps reading that interesting.

Side note can you explain the 2012 RA part of it thanks how
it goes with densities.

[DreamsInDigital]

Thanks for all the great posts so far guys :)

I think from what research I've done there seems to be more than just 8 dimensions, so far from what I've been able find the number ranges from anywhere between 12 and infinite. :) It's absolutely fascinating to see all the different perspectives on such an interesting topic. I still have so much to learn, we all do.

[Mozart]

Well, to split hairs, there's intra-dimensional (levels) and extra-dimentional aspects to dimensions.

Within the intra-dimensional aspects, otherwise known as "levels", there is, indeed, an infinity of dimensions with each separate major dimension.

Here's a Ra Material quote:

Questioner: How many levels do we have here in the third density at this time?

Ra: I am Ra. The third density has an infinite number of levels.

But within each octave of life as we know it, there are 8 major dimensions. Not 10, not 12, not 26, etc. 8. Per the Ra Material.

People have sometimes been buggered by my insistence that there are 8 major dimensions, but that's because of the clarity / accuracy of the Ra Material.

The Ra Material has been studied VERY closely by the Black Ops and none of them have YET to find one single error of fact in the Ra Material. It stands as close to the idea of a flawless material that exists anywhere on Earth as anything could be.

Dozens of then-unknown scientific facts that were shared by Ra have since then been discovered to be true/accurate by our advanced, cutting-edge science, so that gives me confidence that the Ra Material's information can be counted on to be very highly accurate.

Ra explained that it spoke through Carla via a "narrow-band vibration", so all the words that have been recorded to have been spoken by Ra were exactly how Ra intended them to be. There were numerous times when Ra had to take a moment to make adjustments to keep this precious "narrow-band vibration" clear and undistorted.

Per Ra:

(From the top of the very first session, Session 1)

Ra: I am Ra. I have not spoken through this instrument before. We had to wait until she was precisely tuned, as we send a narrow-band vibration. We greet you in the love and in the light of our Infinite Creator.

*snip*

We will exercise each channel if we are able to. The reception of our beam is a somewhat more advanced feat than some of the more broad vibration channels opened by other members for more introductory and intermediate work.

[Hervé]

[...]

Dimension:

Dimension refers to one's location in space/time rather then a person's vibrational frequency (density). Webster defines "dimension" as "Magnitude measured in a particular direction, specifically length, breadth, thickness or time." There are an infinite number of dimensions existing with a given density or vibrational frequency.

[...]

That's the culprit for the confusion (emphasized above):

What's ommitted is the term "values": "There are infinite number of values for the dimensions existing with a given density or vibrational frequency"... all reducible for reference against the same/identical three (3) orthogonal axes for Cartesian coordinates (3D).

Otherwise, it's an impossibility since, for a given frequency/density in a specific space/location, any interaction within it requires the sharing of identical "dimensions," i.e. length, breath, thickness at a specific time.

If they don't, then they don't belong to the same universe/space/frequency. It's as simple as that.

From the above, a better descriptive terminology would be: "infinite number of universes." But, even then, if these universes share identical frequencies/density then, de facto, they share identical "dimensions."

A good analogy would be telepathy: in order to communicate with another in that mode, one needs to "tune-in" the other person's universe and match that individual's frequency/density/universe/dimension; hence adjusting one's universe to the other individual's universe. All of that in spite of "sharing" a common physical/biological universe/space/dimension. If not, then, there are no interactions.

[nomadguy]

interesting topic, there might be something relative in this post,
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21726-Scientific-discoveries-largley-overlooked
http://www.arthuryoung.com/sibbetarc.jpg

[Tangri]

I thought since the last conversation on dimensions went so well, I'd continue sense it seems some are still confused about the differences between Dimensions and Densities are. Then maybe we can expand from there into hyperdimensions and our thoughts on how they interact and relate?

Is 3D the main dimension and the others similar to "plug ins" or "expansion packs" as some think?

Or are they all relatively individual and self contained as some others seem to think?

Here's some terminology to help:

Terminology

Density:

Density denotes a vibrational frequency and not a location, which the term "dimension" implies. The density structure of this reality is primarily expressed in multiple levels, though each level has sub-levels within it. The density scale is a model used to communicate one's perception of orientation in relation to other realities.

Dimension:

Dimension refers to one's location in space/time rather then a person's vibrational frequency (density). Webster defines "dimension" as "Magnitude measured in a particular direction, specifically length, breadth, thickness or time." There are an infinite number of dimensions existing with a given density or vibrational frequency.

Frequency:

Matter is vibrating energy. Different vibrationary rates denote the properties. Frequency is the rate at which molecules or consciousness vibrate.

And, a page with many links to expand your brain with even more:
Dimensions and Hyperdimensions (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_dimensionshyperdimensions.htm)

Thoughts? And, please be as detailed and expansive as possible with your replies. I want to really see some well thought out responses.

I think vibrating energies can travel/move at different dimensions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoGoTU0dQ5Y