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truth4me
13th April 2012, 14:02
I'm serious here. In America people like Obama. I know the elections are rigged and whom ever is put in charge is just another puppet. If you try to tell people who are sleeping they just look at you goofy. How can we get people to unite? Most of the sleepy ones want to stay asleep .Seriously, It is maddening at times dealing with this stuff. I try to be honest all the way around yet still get short sticked sometimes in which we all do I'm sure. So again what can we really do to change it......Obama----change we can believe in ! yer right....

WhiteFeather
13th April 2012, 14:06
In reading The Seth Material as of late,,,,You could start with consciousness, what we think we become. Our thoughts become reality. Yes It starts with a thought. Its Time for these pirates that hijacked our governments and planet, to be kicked off the ship. So Be It!

modwiz
13th April 2012, 14:17
As much as people disdain a savior concept is is always something akin to it that gets the job done. I like the word hero. It has always been the few who move the world for the many. Beowulf, Achilles, Hercules, not make believe, just a little larger than life. The useless eaters of the world owe every single bit of progress ever made on this planet to the heroic few. It is why it always slips away also. People get the government they deserve.

Let us hope the next heroic episode awakens and puts a sense of needing to keep what is attained by remembering what was lost and how it was regained.

As Merlin says in the movie "Excalibur", "It is the doom of Men that they forget". The idiocy and lack of moral fiber is a huge theme in LOTR as well. The morality I speak of is derived from the basic, innate, understanding of common law and decency and not the strange twistings of priests and 'teachers'. Mumblers of texts that they themselves have invented and corrupted.

It is why people like myself await a cavalry of heroes, because unless the average citizen pulls their head of that dark tight, space, change will only come from those who have the power of superior violence to call upon, if needed.

The criminals needs to be rounded up and put in prisons or FEMA camps. Either would be poetic justice.

Mozart
13th April 2012, 14:19
How can we get people to unite? Most of the sleepy ones want to stay asleep .Seriously, It is maddening at times dealing with this stuff. I try to be honest all the way around yet still get short sticked sometimes in which we all do I'm sure. .

Yes, I share your intense frustration over these bastards that are "elected" -- selected, really -- into a CORPORATE, de facto "government" that is masquerading as a lawful "government" "obeying" a constitution.

What I would suggest is for you to support the coming mass arrests by shouting your mouse all over the internet that you can.

And shout your mouse by sending out...

(This is the transcript of the Drake/Wilcock interview -- it has the key information of an event THAT WILL HAPPEN ... it's a matter of time to set things up right.)

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1043-massarrests


(This one details how much help that we are getting from our ET buddies who are supporting us and how much change is really happening out there.)

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1035-divineintervention1


What I've done was to create a boiler-plate email with those links in them and my commentary of them -- this part would go out in every single email that I'd be sending out to my contacts list in a bulk mailing -- then I'd add in personalized comments at the top of the email that is addressed to each specific recipient, so it's personalized that way.

The bulk emails would be sent out one-by-one ... more time-consuming, yes, but it's very much well worth your while and people love the personalized attention that comes with that.

We will unite in amazing ways after the mass arrests with the vast majority of the bastards who are in office right now being arrested, including Obama.

So the best thing that you can do right now, I suggest, is to SHOUT YOUR MOUSE as loudly as you can.

TargeT
13th April 2012, 20:42
As much as people disdain a savior concept is is always something akin to it that gets the job done. I like the word hero. It has always been the few who move the world for the many. Beowulf, Achilles, Hercules, not make believe, just a little larger than life. The useless eaters of the world owe every single bit of progress ever made on this planet to the heroic few. It is why it always slips away also. People get the government they deserve.

Let us hope the next heroic episode awakens and puts a sense of needing to keep what is attained by remembering what was lost and how it was regained.

are there any hero's with out great strife? is there a single instance of a hero appearing when everything is "happy-go-lucky" ?

beware what you ask for, I feel it's comming, and I think the mirror is a good place to look for the next hero ;)



As Merlin says in the movie "Excalibur", "It is the doom of Men that they forget". The idiocy and lack of moral fiber is a huge theme in LOTR as well. The morality I speak of is derived from the basic, innate, understanding of common law and decency and not the strange twistings of priests and 'teachers'. Mumblers of texts that they themselves have invented and corrupted.

It is why people like myself await a cavalry of heroes, because unless the average citizen pulls their head of that dark tight, space, change will only come from those who have the power of superior violence to call upon, if needed.

The criminals needs to be rounded up and put in prisons or FEMA camps. Either would be poetic justice.

your not waiting, your already participating.. "larger than life" starts with the small seemingly ordinary actions and decisions that are punctuated by the ocational extreme; I bet you have these stories in your life already.


as to the original question I would say this:

prepare for what must come : conflict, strife, challenge, drastic change; SOMETHING to break "us" free from the mundane existence we have been coaxed into; until this "event" happens (and it doesn't HAVE to be negative, though it seems that is highly probable) be good to yourself and others, keep your temple (body) in order, keep your mind sharp; be the best "you" you can be.

Ellisa
13th April 2012, 21:12
We, as individuals, have little power. However the whole point of democracy is that by cooperation and unity the power that is the people can win. Use your vote. By assuming that your vote does not count you are allowing manipulation of your right to vote as surely as the supposed corruption you assume exists. I am amazed by how many people seem to think that their vote does not count. It is only when the apathy of the ordinary people like you and me is used against us that the powerful elites can cling to power. Around the world now there are people preparing to die for the right to elect their governments and most of us on Avalon seem to post that we are somehow above the need to express our wishes in the only legal way open to us. If you want to change things-- VOTE!

The only other way to change things is insurrection, a very foolish idea for indeed both sides. War hurts eveyone.

Dennis Leahy
13th April 2012, 21:15
I have some ideas.

Dennis

TargeT
13th April 2012, 21:33
We, as individuals, have little power. However the whole point of democracy is that by cooperation and unity the power that is the people can win. Use your vote. By assuming that your vote does not count you are allowing manipulation of your right to vote as surely as the supposed corruption you assume exists. I am amazed by how many people seem to think that their vote does not count. It is only when the apathy of the ordinary people like you and me is used against us that the powerful elites can cling to power. Around the world now there are people preparing to die for the right to elect their governments and most of us on Avalon seem to post that we are somehow above the need to express our wishes in the only legal way open to us. If you want to change things-- VOTE!

The only other way to change things is insurrection, a very foolish idea for indeed both sides. War hurts eveyone.

I hate to say this, but I think votes do NOT count (or perhaps, are not counted) I think that democracy is a lovely idea but in reality and exicution it is no longer what it seems (or should be), when is the lasttime you went to vote for a major elected position and did NOT think you were picking between two evils?... though in one sense you ARE right... you vote with money every time you spend it, I think that is the only true input "we" have.

I could expand on this extensively but it is not very on topic so I'll leave it at that.

You say that some people seem to act as though they think they are above the "only legal way open to us" for change; what if there is just a common realization that the system is corrupt and so corrupt that non-participation is the only real option left, this is not an apathetic choice it is really the only option.

Alie
13th April 2012, 22:12
Shock & Awe. And I think it won't be long. Sometimes it takes some shocking dreams to wake me up out of a deep sleep.

goinghome2012
13th April 2012, 22:21
divine intervention, can you say zero point or a dimensional shift

Cilka
14th April 2012, 01:13
In reading The Seth Material as of late,,,,You could start with consciousness, what we think we become. Our thoughts become reality. Yes It starts with a thought. Its Time for these pirates that hijacked our governments and planet, to be kicked off the ship. So Be It!

I have to agree with you here. I do believe though that it is not enough to just think certain thoughts and expect them to materialize into a physical reality in our 3D world. I will do my best in explaing why I think this is not enough.There are tons of books written on this subject, but what they fail to include is a little bit of quantum physics explained in a simple format for everyone to understand. To understand quantum physics is not hard, it's just that we have been stuck in this 3D reality for way too long, and humans are constantly bombarded with information that makes sure they will be stuck in this 3D reality only. Creating financial stress helps in this enslavement of mind.

For starters, I studied chemistry in school and hated physics, I was glad when I passed the two physics courses that were mandatory for me to graduate. Then I started looking into quantum physics and holy cow, this stuff is actually interesting and what's so beautiful about it is that it actually explains how these thoughts can actually materialize in our 3D reality. I cannot explain this stuff to you in detail as I am not an expert, but if you look into this yourself in detail, the reality we live in will help you connect to your own consciousness, so to speak. It's kind of primitive to say this that you will be connected to your consciousness when we are constantly connected to it, it's just that it will explain to you how this connection is possible. I dont know how to explain it but 'the thoughts create our reality' just started making sense all of a sudden after I looked into quantum physics. Before that I could have read a hundred books on this THOUGHTS business that almost everyone talked about and I would not still understand how it worked.

Scientists have known for quite some time that an electron can actually materialize as a particle or a wave, depending on the observer. It's like the observer who is watching this electron gives it a certain life so that the electron appears as a particle or a wave. Think of our reality this way, if you pay too much intense attention to a certain event that is occuring in your reality, you are actually giving it more life, and as a result it is being energized into being, and becomes more densely packed, so to speak, and appears to become real in this 3D reality. It is perfectly fine to educate oneself about what is going on in this world, we dont want to be ignorant of our reality, but as long as you dont take it too seriously, and don't give it too much emotional energy then those events will not affect your own reality. However it will affect those who give it an intense attention/emotion. It's like you will stay out of this event still being an observer only with no emotional involvement, and as a result you will not participate fully in the event.

I wish I did not have to describe in words what I am trying to explain, speaking to you in person would be so much easier. But anyway, this is how miracles happen. Quantum physics also talks about how parallel universes exist and how we live in all of them. Our dreams are actually the many lives we are living in parallel universes; we also take trips to 4D reality and in fact we mingle with the beings residing there. But because we give too much life into this reality, or this particular parallel universe, we automatically assume that this is the only reality we are living in, because it is sooo real, therefore it must be real.

So, how do miracles happen? Imagine that you have cancer in this 3D reality. The chances are that you are perfectly healthy in another parallel universe, so why is that you are dying in this one? SOme people are actually capable of merging that parallel universe where you are healthy with the one where you are not, and then this spontaneous healing occurs, a so-called miracle occured some would say. People, this stuff is unbelievably fantastic. Humans dont even realize how incredibly fascinating our creative universe is.

Hey, if one of you lives in Kelowna, we can meet and discuss this in detail, instead of trying to type this stuff into words that have no life in them. So, what do we do about these individuals in power who know exactly how our reality works? And they seriously do know how it works, they are the master magicians of our human reality. We stop giving them life, we can still observe them as long as we dont give them too much life. This can also be done while sleeping. For the past few weeks I have been dreaming constantly every night, and I mean every night, in detail, and color, and have been able to see myself in that parallel universe where I still exist back home where I grew up many years ago. You probably think I am nuts, but before you judge try it for yourself, but before you do you have to get some understanding how our parallel universes work. We can all do time travelling, it is a natural process that is as natural as our reality, now we have to master how to do real magic in another dimension and how to merge that dimension with this one, because trying to do magic in this dimensional reality only is not enough.

I did not believe in the past that thinking positive thoughts could actually alter this reality, and it's only because I did not have a full understanding of how this can actually work. Trying to change the world for the better, like kicking the asses of our leaders in this 3D world, will only get us into a bloody conflict. Marching in streets is totally useless, because as we know it is actually illegal to voice your opinion about our governements in the public. The military is coming up with all kinds of different crowd control weapons, and I have to say that I personally dont wish to have my brain microwaved.

See for yourself what quantum physics can do for us. THere seriously is a magical world out there, we just have not given it the right attention.

Ellisa
14th April 2012, 02:00
Whilst it is true that the thought of a charismatic saviour is a very seductive one, in fact such a person is actually a dictator. In fact the most efficient form of government is actually a benevolent dictator--- of which there are but a few examples. This is because it is true that ultimately power corrupts. Unfortunately democracy is very inefficient indeed, but it is still one of the most effective ways to elect a government which represents the wishes of the people who are voting.

Every single adult person in the country who is a citizen of that country (and sometimes others) have votes of the same value at the ballot box. If everyone votes, and does not allow themselves to be manipulated to abstain from voting, the elecorate cannot be ignored. In a democracy the MOST important thing you can say to your representative is -- "I voted for you and you are not doing what I want as my representative". If enough people say this the Rep becomes very unsure of his/her future. They like being in Government and they understand that the most valuable thing is a majority.

We are that majority. The power is with us--- "We the people"- as it is referred to in the American Constitution. The catch is that we must work together because as a sole voice we are not heard. So we need to vote, we need to assure that our voices are heard and we need to remind our representatives that we actually put them in power--- and if necessary we can vote them out by standing together and arguing from strength.

So I do not think we should waste time waiting for help from elsewhere, instead we should ensure we have explored all the ways we can to achieve our goals with the means at hand. Voting is definitely one of them!

Avocadess
14th April 2012, 02:26
Ellisa: In theory our votes cannot be ignored, but in actually they are only play-acting that we have a vote, at least in the Presidential elections. It has been proven that the voting machines can easily be rigged to totally change the votes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwWP-N1HqT0

The above is just one of a number of such videos.

By the way, I'm not astute in political ideology, but it has been explained many times that our country was NOT set up to be a demoracy, but rather a Republic.

From Wiki Answers:

Democracy:

Involves the government ruling and making laws for the "greater good" of all people, they may abolish personal rights in doing so.
Democracy is government by and for the people. They may or may not be republics--that is, government limited by constitution or charter.
The tricky part of "democracy" is defining "the people" and then deciding what counts as "by the people" and what counts as "for the people." In a sense, that could be considered the content of democratic practice.
Citizens are expected to participate more actively in a democracy.


Republic:

Involves the government using and abiding by the constitution heavily. Personal rights are respected and cannot be taken away. This helps to avoid tyranny and mobocracy (the majority makes laws and governs by passion, prejudice, or impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences).
Republics are the common and "standard" type of governments found today, not democracies, despite what many people (who may not know the definition of either) think.
Just as democracies may or may not be republics, republics may or may not be democracies.


The difference between Democracy and Republic:
Democracy and Republic are two forms of government which are distinguished by their treatment of the Minority, and the Individual, by the Majority.

In a Democracy, the Majority has unlimited power over the Minority. This system of government does not provide a legal safeguard of the rights of the Individual and the Minority. It has been referred to as "Majority over Man".

In a Republic, the Majority is Limited and constrained by a written Constitution which protects the rights of the Individual and the Minority. The purpose of a Republic form of government is to control the Majority and to protect the God-given, inalienable rights and liberty of the Individual.

The United States of America was founded as a Republic under the Constitution.

Phoenix
14th April 2012, 02:27
With electronic voting systems, they'll always be susceptible to fraud. Even if they were legit - romney or obama? Give me a break. Beyond the voting issue, governments will do what they want, regardless of what laws those "elected" enact anyway. The CIA, FBI, DHS, etc. are above the law, above the constitution and all of our "laws." It doesn't matter what politicians or laws are in place - what is in the plan will proceed. Dissenters silenced, criminals rewarded.

There's no corner office for doing what's right.

-phoenix

Ellisa
14th April 2012, 05:24
Democracy implies representative government. The form that government takes can be a republic, a monarchy or various other styles. The thing that they will have in common is that the laws under which the government operates are enacted by a government that represents the people who elected them. That suffrage is universal in a true democracy, and for the system to work properly the people have to also participate.

The government governs by passing legislation, the origin of which comes from the needs and desires of the people. The representatives are their personal representatives within the government who carry out the needs and desires of those who elect them. If they ignore those who elected them for long enough the representatives will be voted out. Withdrawing yourself from voting means that you have withdrawn from the possibility of protesting against the behaviour of those whom you have not bothered to elect in the first place.

Surely, as I am arguing, no matter how corrupt the system (and that really is a different argument), it is far more difficult for the elite manipulators to control outcomes when voters take an active and informed part in the process. Such 'People Power' is terrifying to the corrupt who like to gain control in the usual quiet way. Masses turning out to vote peacefully, ready to cooperate to keep the powerful aware that we are watching them, would be much more terrifying for them than a sullen apathy.

I really believe we get the governments we deserve.

Geoff Fox
14th April 2012, 06:11
In reading The Seth Material as of late,,,,You could start with consciousness, what we think we become. Our thoughts become reality. Yes It starts with a thought. Its Time for these pirates that hijacked our governments and planet, to be kicked off the ship. So Be It!

I have to agree with you here. I do believe though that it is not enough to just think certain thoughts and expect them to materialize into a physical reality in our 3D world. I will do my best in explaing why I think this is not enough.There are tons of books written on this subject, but what they fail to include is a little bit of quantum physics explained in a simple format for everyone to understand. To understand quantum physics is not hard, it's just that we have been stuck in this 3D reality for way too long, and humans are constantly bombarded with information that makes sure they will be stuck in this 3D reality only. Creating financial stress helps in this enslavement of mind.

For starters, I studied chemistry in school and hated physics, I was glad when I passed the two physics courses that were mandatory for me to graduate. Then I started looking into quantum physics and holy cow, this stuff is actually interesting and what's so beautiful about it is that it actually explains how these thoughts can actually materialize in our 3D reality. I cannot explain this stuff to you in detail as I am not an expert, but if you look into this yourself in detail, the reality we live in will help you connect to your own consciousness, so to speak. It's kind of primitive to say this that you will be connected to your consciousness when we are constantly connected to it, it's just that it will explain to you how this connection is possible. I dont know how to explain it but 'the thoughts create our reality' just started making sense all of a sudden after I looked into quantum physics. Before that I could have read a hundred books on this THOUGHTS business that almost everyone talked about and I would not still understand how it worked.

Scientists have known for quite some time that an electron can actually materialize as a particle or a wave, depending on the observer. It's like the observer who is watching this electron gives it a certain life so that the electron appears as a particle or a wave. Think of our reality this way, if you pay too much intense attention to a certain event that is occuring in your reality, you are actually giving it more life, and as a result it is being energized into being, and becomes more densely packed, so to speak, and appears to become real in this 3D reality. It is perfectly fine to educate oneself about what is going on in this world, we dont want to be ignorant of our reality, but as long as you dont take it too seriously, and don't give it too much emotional energy then those events will not affect your own reality. However it will affect those who give it an intense attention/emotion. It's like you will stay out of this event still being an observer only with no emotional involvement, and as a result you will not participate fully in the event.

I wish I did not have to describe in words what I am trying to explain, speaking to you in person would be so much easier. But anyway, this is how miracles happen. Quantum physics also talks about how parallel universes exist and how we live in all of them. Our dreams are actually the many lives we are living in parallel universes; we also take trips to 4D reality and in fact we mingle with the beings residing there. But because we give too much life into this reality, or this particular parallel universe, we automatically assume that this is the only reality we are living in, because it is sooo real, therefore it must be real.

So, how do miracles happen? Imagine that you have cancer in this 3D reality. The chances are that you are perfectly healthy in another parallel universe, so why is that you are dying in this one? SOme people are actually capable of merging that parallel universe where you are healthy with the one where you are not, and then this spontaneous healing occurs, a so-called miracle occured some would say. People, this stuff is unbelievably fantastic. Humans dont even realize how incredibly fascinating our creative universe is.

Hey, if one of you lives in Kelowna, we can meet and discuss this in detail, instead of trying to type this stuff into words that have no life in them. So, what do we do about these individuals in power who know exactly how our reality works? And they seriously do know how it works, they are the master magicians of our human reality. We stop giving them life, we can still observe them as long as we dont give them too much life. This can also be done while sleeping. For the past few weeks I have been dreaming constantly every night, and I mean every night, in detail, and color, and have been able to see myself in that parallel universe where I still exist back home where I grew up many years ago. You probably think I am nuts, but before you judge try it for yourself, but before you do you have to get some understanding how our parallel universes work. We can all do time travelling, it is a natural process that is as natural as our reality, now we have to master how to do real magic in another dimension and how to merge that dimension with this one, because trying to do magic in this dimensional reality only is not enough.

I did not believe in the past that thinking positive thoughts could actually alter this reality, and it's only because I did not have a full understanding of how this can actually work. Trying to change the world for the better, like kicking the asses of our leaders in this 3D world, will only get us into a bloody conflict. Marching in streets is totally useless, because as we know it is actually illegal to voice your opinion about our governements in the public. The military is coming up with all kinds of different crowd control weapons, and I have to say that I personally dont wish to have my brain microwaved.

See for yourself what quantum physics can do for us. THere seriously is a magical world out there, we just have not given it the right attention.

This is the beauty of manifestation, although I have never heard such an in depth scientific review of it. Well said, i really appreciate your thoughts! Ive been experimenting with manifestation a lot lately and so far it has had 100% success rate, theres been some really interesting occurences in my life since i realized my connection with the energy. I believe in possibility so i know that there is a possibility that manifestation is totally bogus, but there is also the possibility that its totally true, i like to believe that it is. seems to be anyways. through this experimentation with manifestation i have begun to realize the power i hold as a human being. quite literally if it can be done, I can do it and so can anyone. this is not just confidence, this is reality and i like to think of this plane of existence as the realm of infinite possibility. Thoughts become things, and I like to spend my time thinking about how amazing everything is and how much better it could always be, there is always room for progression. As far as heros go, we could all be heros, i dont know about anyone else on here but i kind of feel like a hero today, i feel like i can really do anything because i can really think anything, and if it can be thought, it can be done! so to anybody that is worried about the future, dont worry, im here, and so are you, and we can all be heros together. I empower you to be. i empower you to empower yourself and others to be amazing humans! To be free! to know that you already are. Also I love you. yes you, the one who is reading this. I love every molecule of your existence and i relish the fact that my own existence is a possibility! Life is truly incredible, so lets use our lives to forward the positivity and progress in the direction of excellence always. When everybody realizes this the people who are in control will have no choice but to step down from their pedestal and join us amazing people and we will welcome them with open arms and celebrate the fact that they did. It is truly up to us to forgive, not forget, but forgive, and love, because that is truly the only way to connect with our higher selves. I forgive the deceitful, and the greedy, and the liars and murderers of this world and i love them as much as i love the atoms within my vessel, my body. Im just grateful to be alive in such an amazing period of human existence, grateful to be able to be the hero that i have been waiting for, right beside the rest of the heros that are alive today! Equal to all even though equality is only a belief, but thats where it begins, with a thought! I manifest equality. i manifest free energy, i manifest abundance, I manifest Love, I manifest joy, I manifest all around goodness for all. Now everybody can live it, because it has been thought. Your all welcome. I dont want anything for my services. :) but i will accept love.

Geoff Fox
14th April 2012, 06:25
Oh yea also, I heard that a pod was found in the ocean and a bunch of corrupt banksters and capitalist criminals were found hiding in it and now theyre all being sent to jail. Can you say Karmic retribution?? i mean really, they wanted control, so they got it, and now they live in a frieken pod under the ocean!?!?!?! what is the point?? I have no control over anyone in this world and i live absolutely free of any inhibition, i do what i want, when i want, without anything holding me back and through this lifestyle i have experienced such great joy! why is it so undesirable to live humbly? why is it so undesirable to control only ourselves? why is it so undesirable to live without the system? its totally possible and i can say honestly that its totally awesome. i have so much fun travelling on the cheap, living outdoors, keeping my connection with the earth and my own flow of energy, i travel with a guitar and when i get hungry i make music and manifest food and guess what happens... I eat!! its amazing! think abundantly, live abundantly. simple.
Ps. Cilka, I might actually be on my way through Kelowna sometime soon, headed for Van Isle. Id love to connect with you if possible, i mean talkin **** on the net is fun but i like to actually look into the eyes of amazing people, it gives me hope and inspiration. i think its an energy thing. thanks for the good vibes. i got em :)

araucaria
14th April 2012, 11:49
Let me tell you how the election process is working here in France. We have ten presidential candidates getting equal air time, including on primetime TV. Nearly all of them are telling the financial situation as it is, just in case some people haven’t noticed.

We have the incumbent Sarkozy, who is fighting for his political life because when he loses, he will also lose his immunity from prosecution for things like collecting money bags from L’Oréal heiress Bettencourt, things that will surely send him to jail. His predecessor Chirac already has a suspended sentence for much less. Such things are already under investigation and include unpaid bribes to Pakistanis which led to the deaths of French engineers back in the nineties. This is for real and very close to happening.

We also have a guy called Cheminade who was taken to task on primetime TV for recommending space exploration to boost the economy sixties-style, for questioning the official theory on 911 (he took a Jesse Ventura-like stance: I don’t know what happened but I sure as hell want to find out), and for quoting Lyndon LaRouche. We got the picture of Obama with a mustache, and he quite rightly said he was talking about the 1930s not the 1940s.

We also have a guy called Mélenchon who advocates a complete fresh start, with a new 6th Republic, and financing the whole thing by taxing people with money instead of people without. Many people are finding this childishly simple solution more appealing than the delusional opposite that has been going on for so long. Mélenchon is expected to come third with over 15% of the vote and will probably have a say in what happens later, especially as parliamentary elections are also due in June.

So you see, there is something to be said for the electoral process, outside of the US at least. Voters are exposed to the alternative media and things are gradually coming out. :)

Cilka
14th April 2012, 23:07
In reading The Seth Material as of late,,,,You could start with consciousness, what we think we become. Our thoughts become reality. Yes It starts with a thought. Its Time for these pirates that hijacked our governments and planet, to be kicked off the ship. So Be It!

I have to agree with you here. I do believe though that it is not enough to just think certain thoughts and expect them to materialize into a physical reality in our 3D world. I will do my best in explaing why I think this is not enough.There are tons of books written on this subject, but what they fail to include is a little bit of quantum physics explained in a simple format for everyone to understand. To understand quantum physics is not hard, it's just that we have been stuck in this 3D reality for way too long, and humans are constantly bombarded with information that makes sure they will be stuck in this 3D reality only. Creating financial stress helps in this enslavement of mind.

For starters, I studied chemistry in school and hated physics, I was glad when I passed the two physics courses that were mandatory for me to graduate. Then I started looking into quantum physics and holy cow, this stuff is actually interesting and what's so beautiful about it is that it actually explains how these thoughts can actually materialize in our 3D reality. I cannot explain this stuff to you in detail as I am not an expert, but if you look into this yourself in detail, the reality we live in will help you connect to your own consciousness, so to speak. It's kind of primitive to say this that you will be connected to your consciousness when we are constantly connected to it, it's just that it will explain to you how this connection is possible. I dont know how to explain it but 'the thoughts create our reality' just started making sense all of a sudden after I looked into quantum physics. Before that I could have read a hundred books on this THOUGHTS business that almost everyone talked about and I would not still understand how it worked.

Scientists have known for quite some time that an electron can actually materialize as a particle or a wave, depending on the observer. It's like the observer who is watching this electron gives it a certain life so that the electron appears as a particle or a wave. Think of our reality this way, if you pay too much intense attention to a certain event that is occuring in your reality, you are actually giving it more life, and as a result it is being energized into being, and becomes more densely packed, so to speak, and appears to become real in this 3D reality. It is perfectly fine to educate oneself about what is going on in this world, we dont want to be ignorant of our reality, but as long as you dont take it too seriously, and don't give it too much emotional energy then those events will not affect your own reality. However it will affect those who give it an intense attention/emotion. It's like you will stay out of this event still being an observer only with no emotional involvement, and as a result you will not participate fully in the event.

I wish I did not have to describe in words what I am trying to explain, speaking to you in person would be so much easier. But anyway, this is how miracles happen. Quantum physics also talks about how parallel universes exist and how we live in all of them. Our dreams are actually the many lives we are living in parallel universes; we also take trips to 4D reality and in fact we mingle with the beings residing there. But because we give too much life into this reality, or this particular parallel universe, we automatically assume that this is the only reality we are living in, because it is sooo real, therefore it must be real.

So, how do miracles happen? Imagine that you have cancer in this 3D reality. The chances are that you are perfectly healthy in another parallel universe, so why is that you are dying in this one? SOme people are actually capable of merging that parallel universe where you are healthy with the one where you are not, and then this spontaneous healing occurs, a so-called miracle occured some would say. People, this stuff is unbelievably fantastic. Humans dont even realize how incredibly fascinating our creative universe is.

Hey, if one of you lives in Kelowna, we can meet and discuss this in detail, instead of trying to type this stuff into words that have no life in them. So, what do we do about these individuals in power who know exactly how our reality works? And they seriously do know how it works, they are the master magicians of our human reality. We stop giving them life, we can still observe them as long as we dont give them too much life. This can also be done while sleeping. For the past few weeks I have been dreaming constantly every night, and I mean every night, in detail, and color, and have been able to see myself in that parallel universe where I still exist back home where I grew up many years ago. You probably think I am nuts, but before you judge try it for yourself, but before you do you have to get some understanding how our parallel universes work. We can all do time travelling, it is a natural process that is as natural as our reality, now we have to master how to do real magic in another dimension and how to merge that dimension with this one, because trying to do magic in this dimensional reality only is not enough.

I did not believe in the past that thinking positive thoughts could actually alter this reality, and it's only because I did not have a full understanding of how this can actually work. Trying to change the world for the better, like kicking the asses of our leaders in this 3D world, will only get us into a bloody conflict. Marching in streets is totally useless, because as we know it is actually illegal to voice your opinion about our governements in the public. The military is coming up with all kinds of different crowd control weapons, and I have to say that I personally dont wish to have my brain microwaved.

See for yourself what quantum physics can do for us. THere seriously is a magical world out there, we just have not given it the right attention.

This is the beauty of manifestation, although I have never heard such an in depth scientific review of it. Well said, i really appreciate your thoughts! Ive been experimenting with manifestation a lot lately and so far it has had 100% success rate, theres been some really interesting occurences in my life since i realized my connection with the energy. I believe in possibility so i know that there is a possibility that manifestation is totally bogus, but there is also the possibility that its totally true, i like to believe that it is. seems to be anyways. through this experimentation with manifestation i have begun to realize the power i hold as a human being. quite literally if it can be done, I can do it and so can anyone. this is not just confidence, this is reality and i like to think of this plane of existence as the realm of infinite possibility. Thoughts become things, and I like to spend my time thinking about how amazing everything is and how much better it could always be, there is always room for progression. As far as heros go, we could all be heros, i dont know about anyone else on here but i kind of feel like a hero today, i feel like i can really do anything because i can really think anything, and if it can be thought, it can be done! so to anybody that is worried about the future, dont worry, im here, and so are you, and we can all be heros together. I empower you to be. i empower you to empower yourself and others to be amazing humans! To be free! to know that you already are. Also I love you. yes you, the one who is reading this. I love every molecule of your existence and i relish the fact that my own existence is a possibility! Life is truly incredible, so lets use our lives to forward the positivity and progress in the direction of excellence always. When everybody realizes this the people who are in control will have no choice but to step down from their pedestal and join us amazing people and we will welcome them with open arms and celebrate the fact that they did. It is truly up to us to forgive, not forget, but forgive, and love, because that is truly the only way to connect with our higher selves. I forgive the deceitful, and the greedy, and the liars and murderers of this world and i love them as much as i love the atoms within my vessel, my body. Im just grateful to be alive in such an amazing period of human existence, grateful to be able to be the hero that i have been waiting for, right beside the rest of the heros that are alive today! Equal to all even though equality is only a belief, but thats where it begins, with a thought! I manifest equality. i manifest free energy, i manifest abundance, I manifest Love, I manifest joy, I manifest all around goodness for all. Now everybody can live it, because it has been thought. Your all welcome. I dont want anything for my services. :) but i will accept love.

Thanks for your reply Geoff Fox, I tried to explain our reality the best way I could, I think explaining it in simple terms is better, however it is also necessary to read in detail how our universe works behind our 3D reality. Don't get me wrong, I do get pissed off at the mess that we created in this reality because we could have done a better job at it, but it's a done deal, it can be changed globally that's for sure, but even if it won't, the least we can do for ourselves is to do the changes by ourselves in our own reality. The thing is that we don't have the right to force our reality on others, no matte how detrimental the present reality could be for all of us. But we do have the right to make the changes for ourselves because of free will. A lot of people dont think that we have free will, and there are a few spiritual gurus telling us the same thing, but in my opinion that statement is completely misleading and can be detrimental to us all. Once people start believing that there is no free will, they automatically give away their true power. THese individuals want us to be stuck in this reality, and don't want us to realize that it is actually our right as spiritual beings to be able to play around with realities in positive ways. It was never meant to be like this, this total enslavement of our bodies and souls.

It is so true that when you look at the details of everything that is occuring on every level of this awesome creation, the many dimensions involved, the many universes and ET beings having their own lives, the many planets and stars etc. it's just incredibly magical. But, if you look at this 3D reality of ours only, then life does not seem like it's worth living, all that misery, suffering, the feeling of being stuck in various ways and finding no ways out of the suffocating situations that a lot of people find themselves in, the diseases and hate for one another, the needless killings, oh man, it's pretty bad the kind of existence we all created. What is so sad about it that we could have done the wonderful changes a long time ago, but it's still not too late.

THat love, that you described you have within you, comes naturally once the soul realizes that ALL IS JUST SO INCREDIBLY AMAZING AND WE ALL COME FROM THE SAME SOURCE NO MATTER HOW DIFFERENT WE ALL SEEM TO BE, even the psychos are made of the same, now that I call amazing, how the life source manifests itself so completely different.

modwiz
14th April 2012, 23:26
How about protests with a sports theme? Football helmets and pads, baseball bats and hockey sticks. Somebody is bound to take that a little more seriously.

Cilka
14th April 2012, 23:37
Oh yea also, I heard that a pod was found in the ocean and a bunch of corrupt banksters and capitalist criminals were found hiding in it and now theyre all being sent to jail. Can you say Karmic retribution?? i mean really, they wanted control, so they got it, and now they live in a frieken pod under the ocean!?!?!?! what is the point?? I have no control over anyone in this world and i live absolutely free of any inhibition, i do what i want, when i want, without anything holding me back and through this lifestyle i have experienced such great joy! why is it so undesirable to live humbly? why is it so undesirable to control only ourselves? why is it so undesirable to live without the system? its totally possible and i can say honestly that its totally awesome. i have so much fun travelling on the cheap, living outdoors, keeping my connection with the earth and my own flow of energy, i travel with a guitar and when i get hungry i make music and manifest food and guess what happens... I eat!! its amazing! think abundantly, live abundantly. simple.
Ps. Cilka, I might actually be on my way through Kelowna sometime soon, headed for Van Isle. Id love to connect with you if possible, i mean talkin **** on the net is fun but i like to actually look into the eyes of amazing people, it gives me hope and inspiration. i think its an energy thing. thanks for the good vibes. i got em :)

Hey, let me know when you will be going through and we will meet for a real time chat.

Geoff Fox
15th April 2012, 16:22
I feel like we need to simply ask nicely, lovingly and sincerely, so heres my request, anyone can use this, i would be so happy if this was a common suggestion.

A message and request to all that work in factories/ industry/ anyone contributing to the disease/ malcontent of planet Earth:
Please stop. Stop producing plastics, there's too much as it is. Stop creating waste. Stop feeding the oceans poison, and the land as well, its not good for our home, and anything that's not good for our home is just not good for us either. There are other avenues that we can take in life and its up to everybody to resist harming that which provides life for us all. Just stop. Please. Its wrong, its negative, we need to focus on positive progression for all of humankind and for our home which is our planet, our Mother Earth. Instead of polluting and being angry and afraid of scarcity, just realize that every single person can contribute to sustainability and moving humanity towards abundance. Energy is abundant, we have this amazing glowing orb (some call it the sun) that literally radiates more energy than 7 billion people can use, and we have the technology to use it in a clean and sustainable way. I believe that clean energy, clean air, clean water, clean food, and clean soil to grow with are all desirable things for every living thing on this planet, as well as connection to the Earth and the energy that it contains. So let's all put our efforts into only Earth friendly lifestyles, the technology is available now to support even more people without having to worry about shortages of food and water and energy. Let's work on getting that technology to everybody. Fear of scarcity is totally bogus. Abundance is totally excellent (and possible). Please just be excellent, to eachother, and to our home, every single human is amazing and capable of achieving happiness and an amazing standard of living. The notion of obsolescence and disposable is nonsense, one-time use for something then its waste! This is ridiculous! So many people these days are absolutely detached from the energy of the planet, and the interconnectedness of life and energy is an obvious truth that we ignore at our own peril. Detachment from this energy is not a bad thing if we can all just realize that reconnection is possible! Take a lesson in detachment from yourself, and remove your attachment to the material world that you exist in and you will find happiness is abundant in your own spirit, and you dont have to waste anything to attain satisfaction and joy from within yourself!

kcbc2010
15th April 2012, 19:48
1) Voting is the most direct way to get people out of office. In some states, you can recall elected officials and there are ballot referendums/initiatives.

2) I'm getting to the point where I can see the US breaking apart because it's just too big and inefficient at accomplishing anything. Different countries have different standards for who can vote. Voter ID is a big issue in the US because some want a picture ID to prove that you are who you say you are and others say this reeks of bringing back Jim Crow. In Mexico/other countries having a photo ID w/fingerprints is the standard. The Right and the Left would go nuts if you suggested having a fingerprint, let alone the picture ID.

3) We can actually have a lot of influence at the local level because the population is a lot smaller than it is on the Federal level, but people are more interested in what happens at the National level - even though we, as individuals, aren't going to have that much influence at that level. Retail politics doesn't happen in most states/national races. It's more about appealing to different groups. To win locally, you have to win over a plurality of your neighbors. So, it's a different type of campaign that has to be run by a candidate.

A lot of local elections are held in May or August and go unnoticed by most of the population. If you wonder why some of the boards and cities are run the way that they are, look at when people vote and the fact that a lot of local elections consider 20% turnout to be fabulous.

If you want to feel like your vote really counts, vote in primaries/special elections or off-year elections (odd year elections, as few states elect their state/national officials in odd number years). Very few people turn out and those are the elections that decide who's going to run in general election campaigns, who's going to be on the town council/mayor and local/county boards. Being 1 of the 20% that votes is a lot different than being 1 of the 50% that votes in a National election.

I'm not saying that it's great that we only have 20% (again, on the high side of average) turn out, but if only a few people are going to show up to vote, then I'm going to make sure that I'm one of that 10-20% that votes.

4) Organized effort and money. Entrenched powers can be defeated through hard work and dedication to that effort.

Cilka
16th April 2012, 04:24
I feel like we need to simply ask nicely, lovingly and sincerely, so heres my request, anyone can use this, i would be so happy if this was a common suggestion.

A message and request to all that work in factories/ industry/ anyone contributing to the disease/ malcontent of planet Earth:
Please stop. Stop producing plastics, there's too much as it is. Stop creating waste. Stop feeding the oceans poison, and the land as well, its not good for our home, and anything that's not good for our home is just not good for us either. There are other avenues that we can take in life and its up to everybody to resist harming that which provides life for us all. Just stop. Please. Its wrong, its negative, we need to focus on positive progression for all of humankind and for our home which is our planet, our Mother Earth. Instead of polluting and being angry and afraid of scarcity, just realize that every single person can contribute to sustainability and moving humanity towards abundance. Energy is abundant, we have this amazing glowing orb (some call it the sun) that literally radiates more energy than 7 billion people can use, and we have the technology to use it in a clean and sustainable way. I believe that clean energy, clean air, clean water, clean food, and clean soil to grow with are all desirable things for every living thing on this planet, as well as connection to the Earth and the energy that it contains. So let's all put our efforts into only Earth friendly lifestyles, the technology is available now to support even more people without having to worry about shortages of food and water and energy. Let's work on getting that technology to everybody. Fear of scarcity is totally bogus. Abundance is totally excellent (and possible). Please just be excellent, to eachother, and to our home, every single human is amazing and capable of achieving happiness and an amazing standard of living. The notion of obsolescence and disposable is nonsense, one-time use for something then its waste! This is ridiculous! So many people these days are absolutely detached from the energy of the planet, and the interconnectedness of life and energy is an obvious truth that we ignore at our own peril. Detachment from this energy is not a bad thing if we can all just realize that reconnection is possible! Take a lesson in detachment from yourself, and remove your attachment to the material world that you exist in and you will find happiness is abundant in your own spirit, and you dont have to waste anything to attain satisfaction and joy from within yourself!

YOu know what I think could work? Voting out those in charge won't work because other idiots will replace them. There is a lot of talk about this free energy stuff that we ALL on this planet could get for free. The problem is that we don't know how to generate this free energy, if I knew I would have done so a long time ago. THere are, I bet, quite a lot of people who know how to build these devices cheaply. The problem is that if someone goes public about it they get attacked and eventually destroyed. Now, we don't want anyone to get killed, nothing is worth dying for. We need to stay alive and do the job today, not 100 years from now.

There is another way. If these people can be kept underground, so to speak, where they would develop these devices with a handful of people all around the world, and then we all around the world could start a network of distributors. The number of distributors would be in the hundreds of thousands at first and eventully in millions. The few who are in charge would not be able to kill millions of us, would they? This can still be organized because the internet is still working. I am not sure for how long though. I personally would be up to this, I have no fear and have nothing to lose. Humanity needs to act, and we have not done so yet.

Dennis Leahy
16th April 2012, 22:58
I have some ideas...

(Just crossing the last "t"s and dotting the last "i"s - should have this new website up late this evening or tomorrow at the latest.)

http://www.resetbutton2012.org/

Dennis

Dennis Leahy
22nd April 2012, 01:43
Just revisiting this topic and hope that those in the US interested in "How do we get those in charge out? " will read The Reset Button document. That is specifically what it is about. Or, you could turn it around, and say it is about how to get ordinary citizens in.

Dennis
http://www.ResetButton2012.org