Abduction by Reptilian

[wynderer]

Greetings -- I posted this on the Nexus forum last October -- the responses were by & large very negative, & I pretty much left the net altogether for a while -- i'd left Avalon during the Charles stuff -- but i've been checking the forum out again -- there seems to be a level of civility here, & members who actually know that ETs, including Reptilians, are real

i'd be very glad to hear from other abductees/contactees [but pls, not if you think all ETs are good guys]

so here's the Nexus post:

i'd said that i would post re the abduction by a Reptilian that i have frequently referred to -- so here's that post -- as always, when writing about Reptilians, i seem to be besieged by feelings that are not my own -- induced fear among them -- but i shall plow ahead

as a bit of background, especially for those who have researched this field: my biological father was drafted out of Stanford during WWII by the OSS at Cornell -- he did not stay w/them [long story] & i did not grow up in the mil or intel community-- but there is often a military or intel connection w/those who are abductees by Reptilians --also my biological mother is a mathematical genius w/an IQ off the charts

at the time i woke up during the abduction, i was not aware that i was an abductee [they erase these memories] -- however, i had a recurring 'dream' all thru childhood & into my adolescence of being in my room at night -- i knew that there was something coming for me out of the sky & that they were going to get me in a beam of light -- i always desperately tried to keep that beam of light from finding me --like, crouching directly under the window, hoping it would miss me -- but the dream always ended there [except for one time when i escaped into another dimension] -- so obviously, they always won

also i had frequent nosebleeds & ear troubles as a child -- one of the signs of being an abductee according to what i've read -- & always an interest in UFOs , & the frequent sightings i mentioned -- beginning in the '70s [tho there may have been earlier ones
& the memories were erased]

this is not going to be yet another account of being immobilized on a table w/my body being probed & my mind being terrified

also, i have gathered that when folks hear about 'Reptilians' & 'abduction', that this is often about sex -- this is not about that either [ a frequent poster on M Salla's prepare4contact forum -- she was very knowledgeable about abductions & Reptilians & i learned a lot from her -- invited me to join her online group of women who were Reptilian abductees -- i joined, & shared some of my story -- the other women responded by wanting to talk about the sex they'd had w/Reptilians -- i was not interested-- actually this was YUCK moment for me -- & i did not return to that group ]

so to get directly to what happened: it was in '98 or '99 -- i was living in the country outside Ithaca NY -- the road i lived on was more or less parallel to another main road, where i've since learned that quite a few people have seen strange lights in the sky -- also according to some knowledgeable people in the area, the trailer i was living in was directly on a Ley line -- on top of that, the trailer was about 100 yards from an Iroquois burial mound that Cornell had dug up [descrated] & that the local power company had then thrown all its trash on when installing a power line --[ i add this info in case it is relevant]

i was driving home late one night on the road i lived on -- i began to get a feeling of dread, of strong uneasiness -- way ahead of me i saw lights that i interpreted as the headlights of a pick-up truck coming towards me [a few months later, when i gathered up my courage to drive home on that same road, i saw that, had they been truck lights, i could not have seen them from where i was]

i kept on driving -- came to a dip in the road w/a little bridge over a small stream --later i learned that people had seen strange lights up the stream bed in the woods -- right here, time started going VERY VERY VERY slow -- please remember that at this time i was not consciously aware that i had been abducted before -- but this time, deep inside me, i heard myself silently shouting, 'NOT THIS TIME! THIS TIME I AM STAYING CONSCIOUS' -- & i fought to do so during what followed, managing pretty well

as i drove up out of the dip, i saw 3 of the small Greys coming from a small craft on my left, hovering maybe 10 ft above the ground -- i am not good w/estimating sizes/distances -- but the craft was silvery grey, about the size of a large room in a house, maybe 2 stories high -- kind of oval in shape-- i was immobilized at this point, fighting to stay conscious while the Greys floated me out of my truck & into the ship -- i wish i had thought to look back & see if my 3D body was still in the truck -- because i don't know if it was only my astral body that was taken

i don't remember how i got into the ship -- after the floating, my next memory was of being in the ship, standing facing , very close, to what i called the 'lizardy-looking dude' until i found David Icke & learned that he was a Reptilian -- i was not afraid of him -- i was looking forward to FINALLY being able to confront him while in a conscious state

he was very tall -- i'm 5'8', & my head came up to his lower chest area -- very dark in color -- i think he had wings sleekly folded along his back -- scaly skin-- i did not think him ugly either -- as i have written elsewhere, to me the Reptilians have their own kind of beauty -- he was obviously very physically powerful -- & extremely intelligent -- way more so than Humans

he was being very courteous of & respectful to me -- like i was a honored guest -- we were communicating telepathically -- he was inviting me to join them, the Reptilians -- this was offered as an obvious mark of respect -- he indicated the control panel to me -- i am not interested in technology at all --all i remember about the gizmos there was that they did not look like human-made gizmos --

but one thing i DID grok about one part of the control panel -- i think because we were linked telepathically -- was that this one part was used to control & even to kill large groups of Humans -- i got VERY ANGRY, & at this point i lost consciousness, coming to back in my truck a bit further up the road

i think this is long enough for an initial post -- if there is any interest in this one, i'll follow up w/the three weeks following the abduction, at the end of which i finally stopped them

& yes -- i DID question my sanity for a long time afterwards -- & wondered if i had some kind of bizarre Christ complex, w/a Reptilian version of satan offering Christ all the riches & power of the world if Christ joined him

[Amysenthia]

Hi Wynderer,

Nice to see that you came back and posted your story. I find this very fascinating and would love to hear more about your experiences. Also, it is so interesting that you mention this time slowing down incident. I had a similar experience once when I was driving back from Vermont to Ohio. A friend and I were on the trip and had just passed Ithaca, NY. There was a sign that gave the next town as being 20 miles. Didn't think anything of it and we continued to drive. At this time we were having just general chatter. My friend who had been driving at the time said that she was getting tired and would I drive for a while. Since we had passed that sign it had been about 1 hour. We pulled over to switch and I drove about another 2 hours. Then we saw the sign for the town that we had seen in Ithaca that was to be 20 more miles. We were on a major highway. It should have taken us a maximum of 30 minutes to get to that exit. We both we so taken back by this. We got the map out and took another look at where Ithaca was versus were we were. The map showed only a short distance, yet it took us almost three hours to get there. This was in 2006 and I have to call my friend to find out the name of the town which was next to Ithaca because I can't remember it.

I don't remember anything out of the ordinary except that I felt very tired during that part of the drive and almost like I was in a fog. I remember when my friend asked me if I could drive I wasn't sure if I would be able to because I felt so groggy. There must be somethings of a time warp in that area.

But anyway welcome back and hope to hear more from you.

[Ria]

I would respectfully like to hear more.
Also I appreciate you taking the trouble, to tell us your story.

[Omni]

Hope you are ok. It takes courage to open up like that, I know how it goes. I'm glad you found your way back to Avalon. This is a great community.

[tonton]

Thankyou wyderer,power to you.
the power are the ones that prove to themselves that they are,even though they may often dought .(often i fail in my spelling,but i still have much to write).

[GoodETxSG]

Hello, to the OP and others w/:face to chest" experience with the “Lizys”...
I too would like to hear more specific details. I would also like to know if whoever has had these experiences has noticed ANY changes or reduction in the encounters with this particular non human species in the last year to two. Also, if there were ever any other beings other than the "Greys" who were encountered in the company of these Reptilians. I hope you post again soon. Have the courage to not hold back any info even though I understand there are still "Long Term Memory Stents" in place.
CoreyG/Texas

[Debra]

Hi wynderer,

I would greatly appreciate hearing more about your experience and how it has played out.

My deepest respect to you.

Thank you for offering this opportunity for us to learn more.

[wynderer]

Hi Amysenthia -- thank you for sharing your account -- i've had some missing time episodes also

i wonder just how many Humans are being abducted like this [i assume you &/or your friend were being abducted & returned during the missing time] -- since it seems to be easy for them to wipe such encounters from our accessible memories



Hi Wynderer,

Nice to see that you came back and posted your story. I find this very fascinating and would love to hear more about your experiences. Also, it is so interesting that you mention this time slowing down incident. I had a similar experience once when I was driving back from Vermont to Ohio. A friend and I were on the trip and had just passed Ithaca, NY. There was a sign that gave the next town as being 20 miles. Didn't think anything of it and we continued to drive. At this time we were having just general chatter. My friend who had been driving at the time said that she was getting tired and would I drive for a while. Since we had passed that sign it had been about 1 hour. We pulled over to switch and I drove about another 2 hours. Then we saw the sign for the town that we had seen in Ithaca that was to be 20 more miles. We were on a major highway. It should have taken us a maximum of 30 minutes to get to that exit. We both we so taken back by this. We got the map out and took another look at where Ithaca was versus were we were. The map showed only a short distance, yet it took us almost three hours to get there. This was in 2006 and I have to call my friend to find out the name of the town which was next to Ithaca because I can't remember it.

I don't remember anything out of the ordinary except that I felt very tired during that part of the drive and almost like I was in a fog. I remember when my friend asked me if I could drive I wasn't sure if I would be able to because I felt so groggy. There must be somethings of a time warp in that area.

But anyway welcome back and hope to hear more from you.

[wynderer]

Hello, to the OP and others w/:face to chest" experience with the “Lizys”...
I too would like to hear more specific details. I would also like to know if whoever has had these experiences has noticed ANY changes or reduction in the encounters with this particular non human species in the last year to two. Also, if there were ever any other beings other than the "Greys" who were encountered in the company of these Reptilians. I hope you post again soon. Have the courage to not hold back any info even though I understand there are still "Long Term Memory Stents" in place.
CoreyG/Texas

Hi GoodeTXSG -- i personally have not seen a reduction -- i know there's a riff going around now that the Reptilians have left Earth, either in defeat or gracious concession --

however, not only do THEY LIVE! but also THEY LIE! as a tactic in expanding their empire -- deception as a tactic of war -- they consider this an honorable tactic -- & it seems that they want to stay hidden until they decide the time is right to reveal themselves

[NancyV]

My husband told me about a reptilian being he saw at Area 51. He has also seen many grays at area 51, both the short and tall grays. He only saw the reptilian being once when he went into someone's office. He didn't ask any questions about it and hasn't told anyone but me about the incident. This happened in the early 80's when he had occasion to go in and out of Area 51 several times while on special missions. My point in mentioning this again is that if his story is true then the reptilians may have agreements with or are controlling parts of the government or hidden parts of the government or military that maybe most in government and military don't know about. My husband was not mind controlled or drowsy. All his faculties were intact. So there are also people who say they have seen reptilians where it was not part of an abduction experience and they were not mind controlled.

[GoodETxSG]

Thank you for your reply,
I asked those specific questions for a VERY Specific reason. I too had a run in w/a reptoid type of being that I have not seen described before. This one was Sand or Tan Colored, looked more like how people describe "Greys". It was taller and long and spindly w/a larger head. Not quite like the 10+ Feet tall muscled Reptoids most often described. I hope you choose to share more of your stories soon. Both of my grandfathers were in the WWII military, on Navy Intelligence/UDT and the other Army Intel where he was experimented on.
Can you let me know if the incidents happen in clusters, notice when these clusters may have most often happened, any other beings involved etc? Ping me off line if you like.
GoodeTXSG@Yahoo.Com.
Thank you,
CoreyG/Texas

[scootiep]

Hi Wynderer,

Glad to see you're back I always enjoyed reading your posts :) I hope your here for the long run.

Thanks for talking about your experience, I have never experienced anything like this before but it's very interesting indeed!

Scootiep

[wynderer]

My husband told me about a reptilian being he saw at Area 51. He has also seen many grays at area 51, both the short and tall grays. He only saw the reptilian being once when he went into someone's office. He didn't ask any questions about it and hasn't told anyone but me about the incident. This happened in the early 80's when he had occasion to go in and out of Area 51 several times while on special missions. My point in mentioning this again is that if his story is true then the reptilians may have agreements with or are controlling parts of the government or hidden parts of the government or military that maybe most in government and military don't know about. My husband was not mind controlled or drowsy. All his faculties were intact. So there are also people who say they have seen reptilians where it was not part of an abduction experience and they were not mind controlled.



Hi NancyV -- good point -- it seems that it is mainly folks in the military who are seeing & interacting w/Reptilians in a non-abducted way -- imo, because the shadow gov't, the real one, is under the control of the Reptilians & their ET allies

[wynderer]

Thank you for your reply,
I asked those specific questions for a VERY Specific reason. I too had a run in w/a reptoid type of being that I have not seen described before. This one was Sand or Tan Colored, looked more like how people describe "Greys". It was taller and long and spindly w/a larger head. Not quite like the 10+ Feet tall muscled Reptoids most often described. I hope you choose to share more of your stories soon. Both of my grandfathers were in the WWII military, on Navy Intelligence/UDT and the other Army Intel where he was experimented on.
Can you let me know if the incidents happen in clusters, notice when these clusters may have most often happened, any other beings involved etc? Ping me off line if you like.
GoodeTXSG@Yahoo.Com.
Thank you,
CoreyG/Texas

Hi Corey -- i think i have seen this same kind/caste [the Reptilians being very hierarchical] of Reptilians, by your description -- one of the three i saw was a woman, a female -- she was very vain, & kind of simpering -- they did not seem as intelligent or as powerful physically or psychically/mentally as the Draco [i think he is a Draco -- difficult to get genuine info about them -- so much disinfo out there]

i'll have to give some thought to your question about clusters -- offhand, i'd say that yes, they are kind of in clusters -- but really more like payback attacks

i had also written a follow-up to my first Nexus post , which i think i'll copy & post now

pls look for a p.m.

wyn

[wynderer]

Part 2 [ i edited this to delete the bits where i said i did not think i have been abducted since then -- it seems to be still going on]

for 3 weeks following the abduction i previously wrote about, i either woke myself at, or stayed awake until, the hour of 3:30 a.m. -- if i fell asleep or could not wake myself up, i would awaken later w/cuts & scratches all over my thighs & lower torso

one night i woke up to see 4 Grey-looking beings hovering above the end of my bed, all w/a very nasty energy -- i had just found & read a book entitled 'How To Defend Yoursel Against Alien Abductions' -- the 2 suggested ways of defense that i remember were 1] to beam warm fuzzy love at them -- it's probably obvious from my posts that i don't do warm & fuzzy -- the # 2] suggestion was to fight back --by this time i was very tired & grumpy from having my sleep interrupted for so long , so i reached out w/my mind & snapped one of their arms off -- they disappeared [for those who think 'that was not a loving thing to do', i'm sure that he was able to grow a new arm when he got back to his hellish home]

one night about 3 wks after the abduction, i woke up to find my body paralyzed & some huge very dark being pressing down on my body & going after me sexually somehow -- i think it was the Reptilian -- a Draco , from others' descriptions -- whom i met on the ship -- tho i could not move my body, i threw him off w/the force of my will

then got out of bed & went into the living room for a smoke -- there were bangings & crashings going on all over the outside of the trailer -- i did NOT look outside -- as i was sitting there smoking & collecting myself, my entire life passed before my inner vision in a flash -- & i shouted out, 'You don't have anything on me! i may not be perfect, but i have always tried to do what's right!'

then i stood up & shouted [i was living in the country; no near neighbors ] at the top of my voice, 'I CAST YOU OUT IN THE NAME OF JESUS!' , turning in a circle & repeating this 7 times [doing this was not a conscious, considered choice -- i was definitely being guided]

all the noise stopped -- however, life has been quite difficult since -- those who control the Human race -- it is very easy for them to manipulate almost all Human minds -- in the 50 years or so before this abduction & aftermath, i had pretty much a regular human life [tho w/more perceptions of other dimensions than most -- many perceptions of higher dimensional, very loving beings included ] -- like others, i met my share of jerks, but met more of decent Humans

in the years since, it has been unreal , the number of Humans heavily involved in the darkside who have come barging into my life barging into my life -- i have learned more about satanism than i ever wanted to know, having chosen to stay away from that kind of stuff all my life

also, i will never again give a home to an animal, tho i had taken in strays all my life -- all of the animals who shared my home at the time of the abduction died very cruel deaths , at the hands of different Humans -- from this & other things, i learned how easy it is for them to control most individual human minds

[MariaDine]

Hello Winderer :)

I'm a bit surprised that you haven't contact Dolores Cannon for help. Anyway, a serious Energy Healer could help you too.
I speak from experience, regarding cases like yours.

All the best for you

[wynderer]

Hello Winderer :)

I'm a bit surprised that you haven't contact Dolores Cannon for help. Anyway, a serious Energy Healer could help you too.
I speak from experience, regarding cases like yours.

All the best for you

since Dolores Cannon believes all ETs are benevolent, i don't think i'd go to her for help -- & i am getting help

[Logan]

Very powerful thread wynderer, glad you came back. Thank you for sharing.

[truth4me]

Reptilians and Greys =Archons .....check out this site below. Very interesting....

jayweidner.com/Archons.html (jayweider.com/Archons.html)

[tonton]

thanks ,truth4me for the link.started checking it out.a lot there.

wynderer, dont know , but this thread is reminding me a lot of an experience i had maybe 16 years ago with a grey.it not comparable , just its reminding me .i shrugged it off at the time, but i remember it as if it was yesterday.think maybe that 1,had a memory wipe and dont remember, or 2 spotted one spying on me through the bathroom window and he made me think that it was nothing ,just keep shaving,its the mist on the window,just keep shaving, i remember there was no fear and no problem, just his face disappearing from the window.maybe i should do some hypnosis to see if there are missing gaps, or maybe its best left unturned, as the experience may not have been friendly. not shore which road to take, but, i sorta know that once curiosity lercks, its just a matter of time before one lances.

[wynderer]

Reptilians and Greys =Archons .....check out this site below. Very interesting....

jayweidner.com/Archons.html (jayweider.com/Archons.html)

that link doesn't work for me, truth4me

[wynderer]

thanks ,truth4me for the link.started checking it out.a lot there.

wynderer, dont know , but this thread is reminding me a lot of an experience i had maybe 16 years ago with a grey.it not comparable , just its reminding me .i shrugged it off at the time, but i remember it as if it was yesterday.think maybe that 1,had a memory wipe and dont remember, or 2 spotted one spying on me through the bathroom window and he made me think that it was nothing ,just keep shaving,its the mist on the window,just keep shaving, i remember there was no fear and no problem, just his face disappearing from the window.maybe i should do some hypnosis to see if there are missing gaps, or maybe its best left unturned, as the experience may not have been friendly. not shore which road to take, but, i sorta know that once curiosity lercks, its just a matter of time before one lances.

thanks for all the responses

i'm wondering something -- it seems like quite a few people have had what they remember as isolated experiences w/a Reptilian or Grey, more rarely a Mantis being -- what i'm wondering is if some of you w/these isolated memories are also abductees --

i wonder this because, up til the abduction i wrote about, i had an occasional fleeting memories of seeing a UFO, of a dream of a Grey, etc, etc -- but these memories all just kind of sank down into the unconscious -- if i hadn't been in a kind of fighting mode at that time in my life, due to other issues, i may have gone thru that abduction zonked out as usual, w/no recall

i do want to caution anyone who thinks they may be an abductee & wants to remember -- if you conclude that the Reptilians & Greys are our creators/saviours/helpers, it seems life will be OK -- but if you conclude that Earth is being silently invaded, w/a take-over well underway, it seems that there will be some nasty payback --there sure has been for me, & many others

[GoodETxSG]

Yea actually,
I have a lot of memory blocks in place that I have chosen not to reopen. I have seen objects in the sky more times than I can count. Always at a great distance, popping out and back behind clouds, putting on a show (Multiple objects) that others witnessed, some missing time and memories. I would be willing to go more into it offline. I know that they have kept an eye on me though. At the age of 18 just before I left Home (College/Military) I had a couple encounters in my parents’ house. The last one was when I walked out of my room when I was alone at home... my parents bedroom door was open and the patio door was straight through so to show anyone standing in the line of sight. I saw 3 or 4 10+ ft tall shadow/silloettes kind of moving from foot to foot, shifting their weight but staying in place. I was overcome with anger and fight or flight kicked in. My mind told me to run out the front door which was just steps away. Instead I got very angry and charged into the room where they were. Right when I threw myself into the room I don’t remember anything after that. My parents arrived home from work some hours later and I was passed out in bed a little bruised and scratched up. I never had another encounter again until 2003 when I worked at Microsoft in N. Texas and took a break to get away and have a smoke at a local park under a bridge. I had seen an object way off in the distance undistinguishable but moving unconventionally through the sky. When I got to the park and went under a bridge for a "Smoke" I encountered the Tan Reptilian Critter I described in a previous post. While in the Military I was up very close to HUGE Triangular craft... HUGE, like the size of the new Dallas Cowboys Stadium. It was defiantly ours. But that is another story... I think that after my show of defiance and no fear that one time they either left me alone or began handling me differently. I have no memories of being inside a craft or abducted. Just gaps in memory and time. I have only told my Wife about some of this... There is more, but I refuse to talk to her or anyone else about it... she used to push the issue but I finally told her I will never talk about it and to stop asking... I told her she would not ever look at me the same way after I went into it. It’s just to "Out There" and having PTSD already, I do not need to look crazy or unstable :der:. So, just keep it in, besides I do not want to recover those memories anyway. I am pretty surprised I am sharing this on this forum... I guess your opening up gave me a short term "Why Not" kind of moment. I look forward to more info from you. I asked a couple of questions that I would like to hear back on. The main one is the different types of beings you have seen other than the Short/Tall Grays in the presence of the Lizy's. I ask trying not to add suggestions to the question to minimize subconsciously leading people to answer the question from other stories they have read. If I was abducted it was more of the MILAB kind of situations I "Believe". Wheew... okay. That is all for now.
CoreyG/Texas

[GoodETxSG]

Reptilians and Greys =Archons .....check out this site below. Very interesting....

jayweidner.com/Archons.html (jayweider.com/Archons.html)

that link doesn't work for me, truth4me

I was able to get to the link. Some interesting info, lots of stuff to go through... will check it out. http://www.jayweidner.com/Archons.html

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

To play the advocate - I just want to add we should all be aware of "cosmic racism". To label all of one species as "bad" is a form of racism, the same goes for 'them' if they think the same way of any other species/race of beings. From what I understand the Draco from Orion are a rogue group of negatives that we here are dealing with today... Apparently this was originally a reptilian planet (just ask the dinosaurs for example), and we were made (in version 2.0 or 3.0) to basically be slaves (to some extent we currently are today) to mine their resources (as well as feeding off our emotions (and flesh(?)). I think there were differing opinions within that group of how we should be treated...and how we should be managed...

I believe even the Draco love nature and this actual planet - they have just let the population get to the point where they now cannot control it. I also believe we are also helped by positive ETs that we are directly related to through our souls - different souls from different galactic planes and dimensions. I even believe at any given point the 'good guys' out there could wipe out the regressives in a matter of micro seconds if they wanted to - but they dont. WHY?

Why? Because "we" won't learn anything if they do. We are learning to "love thy enemies" and become all forgiving, Christ consciousness (then to God consciousness).

The question for me is now : How are we as a collective on this planet doing? Are we on the right path for graduation? We are essentially are a micro experiment of what happens when many different species are thrown together - to see if we can all get along and advance not just our individual spirit/soul but to also see how we evolve together in the same way...

I think the results should be in soon...

[GoodETxSG]

To play the advocate - I just want to add we should all be aware of "cosmic racism". To label all of one species as "bad" is a form of racism, the same goes for 'them' if they think the same way of any other species/race of beings. From what I understand the Draco from Orion are a rogue group of negatives that we here are dealing with today... Apparently this was originally a reptilian planet (just ask the dinosaurs for example), and we were made (in version 2.0 or 3.0) to basically be slaves (to some extent we currently are today) to mine their resources (as well as feeding off our emotions (and flesh(?)). I think there were differing opinions within that group of how we should be treated...and how we should be managed...

I believe even the Draco love nature and this actual planet - they have just let the population get to the point where they now cannot control it. I also believe we are also helped by positive ETs that we are directly related to through our souls - different souls from different galactic planes and dimensions. I even believe at any given point the 'good guys' out there could wipe out the regressives in a matter of micro seconds if they wanted to - but they dont. WHY?

Why? Because "we" won't learn anything if they do. We are learning to "love thy enemies" and become all forgiving, Christ consciousness (then to God consciousness).

The question for me is now : How are we as a collective on this planet doing? Are we on the right path for graduation? We are essentially are a micro experiment of what happens when many different species are thrown together - to see if we can all get along and advance not just our individual spirit/soul but to also see how we evolve together in the same way...

I think the results should be in soon...


Judging a being with totally different moral standards or lack of any moral standards is impossible as we are doing so from our point of "Right and Wrong". I guess our judgments are made by experiences and witnessing their DEEDS. I am sure there is a full spectrum of Good and Evil as we perceive it throughout the Galaxy... probably a range of Good and Evil within each non terrestrial entity... But we have to categorize them based on our experiences with them. Other than people that have been on DMT and other drugs in this category I have not heard any Positive stories about the Reptilians or their several of species of "Workers". Some of them are slaves from the Good groups or maybe incarnated in that body... they can control what we perceive so well that if we see a shining being of light it could be camouflage of something more sinister. I believe there are service to others types of beings and there are definitely service to self types that are very interested in us. There are some higher frequency beings (Angel Like) that these service to self critters flee from as fast as they can. There is a whole paradigm happening on many vibratory levels that we absolutely have no way of understanding or base of reference. My humble opinion anyway from what I have witnessed and been briefed on.

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

To play the advocate - I just want to add we should all be aware of "cosmic racism". To label all of one species as "bad" is a form of racism, the same goes for 'them' if they think the same way of any other species/race of beings. From what I understand the Draco from Orion are a rogue group of negatives that we here are dealing with today... Apparently this was originally a reptilian planet (just ask the dinosaurs for example), and we were made (in version 2.0 or 3.0) to basically be slaves (to some extent we currently are today) to mine their resources (as well as feeding off our emotions (and flesh(?)). I think there were differing opinions within that group of how we should be treated...and how we should be managed...

I believe even the Draco love nature and this actual planet - they have just let the population get to the point where they now cannot control it. I also believe we are also helped by positive ETs that we are directly related to through our souls - different souls from different galactic planes and dimensions. I even believe at any given point the 'good guys' out there could wipe out the regressives in a matter of micro seconds if they wanted to - but they dont. WHY?

Why? Because "we" won't learn anything if they do. We are learning to "love thy enemies" and become all forgiving, Christ consciousness (then to God consciousness).

The question for me is now : How are we as a collective on this planet doing? Are we on the right path for graduation? We are essentially are a micro experiment of what happens when many different species are thrown together - to see if we can all get along and advance not just our individual spirit/soul but to also see how we evolve together in the same way...

I think the results should be in soon...


Judging a being with totally different moral standards or lack of any moral standards is impossible as we are doing so from our point of "Right and Wrong". I guess our judgments are made by experiences and witnessing their DEEDS. I am sure there is a full spectrum of Good and Evil as we perceive it throughout the Galaxy... probably a range of Good and Evil within each non terrestrial entity... But we have to categorize them based on our experiences with them. Other than people that have been on DMT and other drugs in this category I have not heard any Positive stories about the Reptilians or their several of species of "Workers". Some of them are slaves from the Good groups or maybe incarnated in that body... they can control what we perceive so well that if we see a shining being of light it could be camouflage of something more sinister. I believe there are service to others types of beings and there are definitely service to self types that are very interested in us. There are some higher frequency beings (Angel Like) that these service to self critters flee from as fast as they can. There is a whole paradigm happening on many vibratory levels that we absolutely have no way of understanding or base of reference. My humble opinion anyway from what I have witnessed and been briefed on.

Well Ok here goes...

I have previously stated in other threads - I completed Dolores Cannons Quantum Healing Technique - I have regressed 21 people now with some very interesting results - including ETs. Fascinating.

I had to get regressed myself by another Dolores student - to see what those that I did the technique on experienced. Kinda like what's good for the goose...

Anyway - I was shown 3 previous lifetimes - one of which, I was a reptilian being. A loving one. A peaceful one. One that loved nature and its beauty - and the planet we were on. We had no intent on war or hurting anyone (that I know of). We simply existed in a rain forest like setting - in clans, and we all got on very well, we respected each other and would help one another without any second thoughts. FAMILY.

Now although it was a brief regression - I completely FELT what I was as a reptilian: love. The feeling of peace was just beautiful. No war, no terror or horror, no thought of conquering or dominating anything. Was this the only species of reptilian in this multiverse/s that holds this space of love? I can't believe that. There must be others. If anything look at our planet, the humans we are and what we do with our fee will? It's discouraging to me. I resent it, and have a hard time understanding how this happens? Do we "blame" the regressive reptilians and their devious methods of self imprisonment, or do we acknowledge it - AND EVOLVE? Is it possible to forgive these regressives? Is it important to thank them for their despicable acts on this planet over the years - the role they play - it is a role, to let us rise above all the ****?

I personally am comfortable knowing this - it was a shock to see my best friend as a comical looking lizard man - yet I felt no fear, only a familiar friend that in my opinion would put me before their interests without hesitation. So I cannot condon ALL reptilians as negative or self serving, this is simply NOT THE TRUTH.

Think about the regressive reptilian/ETs here (Draco) - they would want us collectively to despise and hate and even fight or war with their own - so they could in turn use this aggression to form alliances with peaceful reptilian existences (such as the past life I was shown) - kind of like nothing unites foes like a common enemy. And this has been shown through human history, even as recently as siding with Al Qaeda against Libyan nationals. Bizarre that one you must admit?

And I'm sure you can find many example of this throughout our history.

Cosmic racism is a lesson we should all get now - especially with the agenda to start race wars in the USA (Black V White BS).

Cheers!

[GoodETxSG]

To play the advocate - I just want to add we should all be aware of "cosmic racism". To label all of one species as "bad" is a form of racism, the same goes for 'them' if they think the same way of any other species/race of beings. From what I understand the Draco from Orion are a rogue group of negatives that we here are dealing with today... Apparently this was originally a reptilian planet (just ask the dinosaurs for example), and we were made (in version 2.0 or 3.0) to basically be slaves (to some extent we currently are today) to mine their resources (as well as feeding off our emotions (and flesh(?)). I think there were differing opinions within that group of how we should be treated...and how we should be managed...

I believe even the Draco love nature and this actual planet - they have just let the population get to the point where they now cannot control it. I also believe we are also helped by positive ETs that we are directly related to through our souls - different souls from different galactic planes and dimensions. I even believe at any given point the 'good guys' out there could wipe out the regressives in a matter of micro seconds if they wanted to - but they dont. WHY?

Why? Because "we" won't learn anything if they do. We are learning to "love thy enemies" and become all forgiving, Christ consciousness (then to God consciousness).

The question for me is now : How are we as a collective on this planet doing? Are we on the right path for graduation? We are essentially are a micro experiment of what happens when many different species are thrown together - to see if we can all get along and advance not just our individual spirit/soul but to also see how we evolve together in the same way...

I think the results should be in soon...


Judging a being with totally different moral standards or lack of any moral standards is impossible as we are doing so from our point of "Right and Wrong". I guess our judgments are made by experiences and witnessing their DEEDS. I am sure there is a full spectrum of Good and Evil as we perceive it throughout the Galaxy... probably a range of Good and Evil within each non terrestrial entity... But we have to categorize them based on our experiences with them. Other than people that have been on DMT and other drugs in this category I have not heard any Positive stories about the Reptilians or their several of species of "Workers". Some of them are slaves from the Good groups or maybe incarnated in that body... they can control what we perceive so well that if we see a shining being of light it could be camouflage of something more sinister. I believe there are service to others types of beings and there are definitely service to self types that are very interested in us. There are some higher frequency beings (Angel Like) that these service to self critters flee from as fast as they can. There is a whole paradigm happening on many vibratory levels that we absolutely have no way of understanding or base of reference. My humble opinion anyway from what I have witnessed and been briefed on.

Well Ok here goes...

I have previously stated in other threads - I completed Dolores Cannons Quantum Healing Technique - I have regressed 21 people now with some very interesting results - including ETs. Fascinating.

I had to get regressed myself by another Dolores student - to see what those that I did the technique on experienced. Kinda like what's good for the goose...

Anyway - I was shown 3 previous lifetimes - one of which, I was a reptilian being. A loving one. A peaceful one. One that loved nature and its beauty - and the planet we were on. We had no intent on war or hurting anyone (that I know of). We simply existed in a rain forest like setting - in clans, and we all got on very well, we respected each other and would help one another without any second thoughts. FAMILY.

Now although it was a brief regression - I completely FELT what I was as a reptilian: love. The feeling of peace was just beautiful. No war, no terror or horror, no thought of conquering or dominating anything. Was this the only species of reptilian in this multiverse/s that holds this space of love? I can't believe that. There must be others. If anything look at our planet, the humans we are and what we do with our fee will? It's discouraging to me. I resent it, and have a hard time understanding how this happens? Do we "blame" the regressive reptilians and their devious methods of self imprisonment, or do we acknowledge it - AND EVOLVE? Is it possible to forgive these regressives? Is it important to thank them for their despicable acts on this planet over the years - the role they play - it is a role, to let us rise above all the ****?

I personally am comfortable knowing this - it was a shock to see my best friend as a comical looking lizard man - yet I felt no fear, only a familiar friend that in my opinion would put me before their interests without hesitation. So I cannot condon ALL reptilians as negative or self serving, this is simply NOT THE TRUTH.

Think about the regressive reptilian/ETs here (Draco) - they would want us collectively to despise and hate and even fight or war with their own - so they could in turn use this aggression to form alliances with peaceful reptilian existences (such as the past life I was shown) - kind of like nothing unites foes like a common enemy. And this has been shown through human history, even as recently as siding with Al Qaeda against Libyan nationals. Bizarre that one you must admit?

And I'm sure you can find many example of this throughout our history.

Cosmic racism is a lesson we should all get now - especially with the agenda to start race wars in the USA (Black V White BS).

Cheers!

There are definitely souls incarnated here on earth that are from off world or other vibratory origins. The question is what is the purpose of their current incarnation? What are they here to LEARN or what are they here to DO? The purpose of these incarnated off world souls is a mystery that I believe will make its self known be it for good or not very soon with the shift that is happening as we speak… this very moment. Regressions are a very tricky thing as our current perceptions and self view are often imprinted on how we interpret the info that is coming in. I am not saying your regression was incorrect as I stated that there is a whole spectrum of light and dark within any being. But we are perceiving or trying to make sense of what we are perceiving via the tools we have at hand. That tool being our current level of consciousness and our life experiences which give us a base of reference for interpretation. But you do raise some very interesting points and possibly give some of us an opportunity to widen what we think we understand from hear say and stories that have evolved on the Internet over the years. I am open minded and appreciate the post. I just have to judge and come to a conclusion based on my current level of consciousness and life experiences.

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

Yes personal experiences are just that. who am I to play down any one elses experiences, and I do admit there have been some horrible testimonies over my research of the subject. Lets hope these cease sooner than later. There are many different agendas going on - and everyone of them has a reason.

Regarding my training in QH I have come across the answer to the question "WHY IS so-so HERE? , WHAT IS so-so's LIFE PURPOSE?" Almost every time what comes back is "TO HELP!" "TO HELP OTHERS" - really cool, especially when some I have had under you'd consider service to self (most of those going against the grain of helping others have a struggle in their personal live! Go figure huh!? When they realize this - some don't want to acknowledge it, most do.

I also we are all here to learn emotions and limitations. Experiences that involve free will. Mistakes to be learned as well so we can teach others when the time is right - how to avoid them due to our own experiences.

BTW I really thought "ET Abductions" ended around 2007/2007? And if they are happening now they are MILABS? Who knows? But I do believe we are at a point in time where many of ET races (regressive and positive) are off our planet - to see how we fare by ourselves... juries still out on that one I guess..

[GoodETxSG]

I have to respect your point of view and it is true that we have a shared reality and also live in our own very personal reality bubbles. I do not think we have ever been left on our own but have been managed by beings that are physical and those that are ethereal in nature. There are plenty of MILAB operations going on right now but the idea that the "Abduction" and "Contacte" experiences stopped in 2007 is something I humbly and respectfully disagree with. If anything the activity has ebbed and flowed due to circumstances that we may never understand. Maybe some Ying and Yang forces or energy going on in and around us? We all just need to learn to contact our "Higher Selves" through prayer and meditation and discern what Our Truth is... There has to be a universal truth but good luck with finding that out no matter how many times or how many different species we incarnate as over the oceans of time and varying vibratory levels. Not even the most advanced Aliens out there have the full picture. Again, my humble opinion based on my bubble of reality. Great conversation though, very thought provoking and enlightening to me anyway. I hope it is to other readers. It is good to be challenged and made to think outside the box so to speak. That is how we grow. Thanks for your contribution to the process.

[GoodETxSG]

Maybe wynderer can help us get back on topic regarding the Lizy's with personal stories to compare to the tons of info that is on dozens of web sites regarding these cold blooded critters and their associates, Human and non Human. What do you say wynderer? Can you share more? Can someone else take a leap and share their experience and not just a Story or Fantasy (Which are not toooo hard to sniff out)? I have a lot of questions and interest on this topic. I have not been satisfied by the info on many of these sites dedicated to this type of being. I believe a lot of fiction and misinfo is mixed in for either... of course disinformation reasons or for just giving people a good story to read by mixing and moving around info to sound good and match the rest of the info out there. It is through people to people contact that have had these experiences that we are going to get as close as we can to some sort of answer.

[andrewgreen]

First of all I can see why people reacted negatively as you story is hugely condemning for David Icke and all the positive work he does.

Your appear to want to gain people confidence by getting us to write positive remarks so you continue your story. I won't be manipulated like that and would have much more respect for you if you just put it out there. To condemn someone like David Icke without giving supporting views on it is pretty bad formand makes me wonder as to you true intentions.

[GoodETxSG]

First of all I can see why people reacted negatively as you story is hugely condemning for David Icke and all the positive work he does.

Your appear to want to gain people confidence by getting us to write positive remarks so you continue your story. I won't be manipulated like that and would have much more respect for you if you just put it out there. To condemn someone like David Icke without giving supporting views on it is pretty bad formand makes me wonder as to you true intentions.

Are you sure you read the comment on David Icke correctly? It is worded strangely but she was saying that she did not know what exactly they were until studying David Icke if I am not mistaken. But it does feel like Maybe wynderer is dragging her feet on putting out more of her story. However, seeing how badly her story was received on another blog I see why she is tip toeing and reading the reaction on this blog. I would like to hear more from her soon as this is her blog and she got the ball rolling. I shared WAY more than I had ever planned to and I have not been sniped. So I think she should feel safe in sharing more of what must be some traumatic experiences.

[wynderer]

i have very little time on the computer today -- but i feel i must comment on watchZeitgeistnow's surmising that Dracos love nature & this planet -- imo, this is far from the truth -- in fact, i think the Reptilians/NWO may be delibeately turning Earth into a barren, sterile planet -- Earth is intended to be a battle station, & it is easier to maintain & defend open spaces, especially if one is using hi-tech weapons


To play the advocate - I just want to add we should all be aware of "cosmic racism". To label all of one species as "bad" is a form of racism, the same goes for 'them' if they think the same way of any other species/race of beings. From what I understand the Draco from Orion are a rogue group of negatives that we here are dealing with today... Apparently this was originally a reptilian planet (just ask the dinosaurs for example), and we were made (in version 2.0 or 3.0) to basically be slaves (to some extent we currently are today) to mine their resources (as well as feeding off our emotions (and flesh(?)). I think there were differing opinions within that group of how we should be treated...and how we should be managed...

I believe even the Draco love nature and this actual planet - they have just let the population get to the point where they now cannot control it. I also believe we are also helped by positive ETs that we are directly related to through our souls - different souls from different galactic planes and dimensions. I even believe at any given point the 'good guys' out there could wipe out the regressives in a matter of micro seconds if they wanted to - but they dont. WHY?

Why? Because "we" won't learn anything if they do. We are learning to "love thy enemies" and become all forgiving, Christ consciousness (then to God consciousness).

The question for me is now : How are we as a collective on this planet doing? Are we on the right path for graduation? We are essentially are a micro experiment of what happens when many different species are thrown together - to see if we can all get along and advance not just our individual spirit/soul but to also see how we evolve together in the same way...

I think the results should be in soon...

[Logan]

First I want to thank Corey for sharing. You're brave, dude. I commend you for sharing with us.

I would like to comment though on that concept of "cosmic racism". I think this may be a bit off track and I apologize, but this isn't worth a new thread I don't think either.

I agree with that concept whole-heartedly. Even with all the scary stories people tell I keep a completely open mind. In the face of a being from somewhere else I would judge the situation as it presented itself. If I am in danger, I will respond accordingly. Otherwise I will only give out love and acceptance.

This topic brought to mind that clip that is allegedly EBE-4 from 1989 at S4. It's a clip that as far as I know has never been debunked. There is a grey in a dark interview room, and he starts going into serious distress. All I feel watching it is compassion for the being. I've always been this way. If I see any living being in distress, I feel compassion. That's basically the long and the short of it.

[GoodETxSG]

First I want to thank Corey for sharing. You're brave, dude. I commend you for sharing with us.

I would like to comment though on that concept of "cosmic racism". I think this may be a bit off track and I apologize, but this isn't worth a new thread I don't think either.

I agree with that concept whole-heartedly. Even with all the scary stories people tell I keep a completely open mind. In the face of a being from somewhere else I would judge the situation as it presented itself. If I am in danger, I will respond accordingly. Otherwise I will only give out love and acceptance.

This topic brought to mind that clip that is allegedly EBE-4 from 1989 at S4. It's a clip that as far as I know has never been debunked. There is a grey in a dark interview room, and he starts going into serious distress. All I feel watching it is compassion for the being. I've always been this way. If I see any living being in distress, I feel compassion. That's basically the long and the short of it.

Thank you, I have shared enough and attracted tooo much attention so I am done for a while.

[GoodETxSG]

Hmm, found a older threat that may be a good cross thread to research for discussions on this one. I am checking it out some more tonight... http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43893-The-Reptilians-Humanity-s-Historical-Link-to-the-Serpent-Race

[ThePythonicCow]

A more recent, similar discussion, is occurring on this thread: Archons/Reptilians/Greys (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43945-Archons-Reptilians-Greys).

[GoodETxSG]

A more recent, similar discussion, is occurring on this thread: Archons/Reptilians/Greys (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43945-Archons-Reptilians-Greys).

LOL, Yea, and I pointed people on that thread to this one since everything they have listed even web sites is already here.

[Mike Gorman]

This is truly astounding, I have been looking into all of Phil Schneider's material and concluded he was definitely a speaker of Truth,
and your Husband worked in the covert environment of Area 51, we are living in truly incredible times. Thanks for being brave.:cool:

[KiwiElf]

Hi GalaxyHorse,

I started a thread last year on Phil Schneider here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31294-EPITAPH-The-Phil-Schneider-Story

Other readers added some great videos, and Jackovesk recently put one up here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43211--New--Underground-Base-at-Dulce-Hidden-Reality-True-Story-of-Phil-Schneider

All adds to the cross index of information - enjoy! :)

[wynderer]

This topic brought to mind that clip that is allegedly EBE-4 from 1989 at S4. It's a clip that as far as I know has never been debunked. There is a grey in a dark interview room, and he starts going into serious distress. All I feel watching it is compassion for the being. I've always been this way. If I see any living being in distress, I feel compassion. That's basically the long and the short of it.

this reminds me of Dan Burisch -- i think he was the first Project Camelot interviewee? he helped a Grey-like being, caught & held by the military, to get free

the Grey being said he came from the future -- that Humans had become Greys in the future -- i have wondered if the Reptilians genetically turn all their conquered races into Greys as they expand their empire

[wynderer]

To play the advocate - I just want to add we should all be aware of "cosmic racism". To label all of one species as "bad" is a form of racism, the same goes for 'them' if they think the same way of any other species/race of beings. From what I understand the Draco from Orion are a rogue group of negatives that we here are dealing with today... Apparently this was originally a reptilian planet (just ask the dinosaurs for example), and we were made (in version 2.0 or 3.0) to basically be slaves (to some extent we currently are today) to mine their resources (as well as feeding off our emotions (and flesh(?)). I think there were differing opinions within that group of how we should be treated...and how we should be managed...

I believe even the Draco love nature and this actual planet - they have just let the population get to the point where they now cannot control it. I also believe we are also helped by positive ETs that we are directly related to through our souls - different souls from different galactic planes and dimensions. I even believe at any given point the 'good guys' out there could wipe out the regressives in a matter of micro seconds if they wanted to - but they dont. WHY?

Why? Because "we" won't learn anything if they do. We are learning to "love thy enemies" and become all forgiving, Christ consciousness (then to God consciousness).

The question for me is now : How are we as a collective on this planet doing? Are we on the right path for graduation? We are essentially are a micro experiment of what happens when many different species are thrown together - to see if we can all get along and advance not just our individual spirit/soul but to also see how we evolve together in the same way...

I think the results should be in soon...

this may all be true -- however, as i see it, this planet is in the middle of a silent takeover by an alliance of Reptilians -- [& not just the Draco caste] , other ETs/ODs, & sell-out Humans -- i'm glad to know that there are loving, kind members/subspecies of the Reptilians -- folks are always telling me that, especially channelers & folks who allow themselves to be hypnotized -- it's a HUGE multi-dimensional, likely an infinitely dimensional, Universe out there -- i can well believe there are peaceful Reptilians somewhere out in that vastness

but unless the loving Reptilians are actively fighting to save the Humans from slavery of the soul as well as the body, i'm not really interested -- that's like someone cheerily calling out to the people on their way from the Nazi trains to the gas chambers, 'You'll be glad to know there are good Nazis too!'

[wynderer]

one last post today on this thread -- i have been meaning to mention Houman's Archon thread -- Houman is putting a lot of good info there

[Guest]

Hi wynderer,

Appreciate you sharing your experience about the Reptilian.

I have had many experiences with them myself -earliest memory mid 1990's also a few with the greys and with our star friends.
Although, I don't think I have been abducted by the Reptilians at least if I have I don't remember.

A few on this thread have expressed that people give their accounts of their experiences with them.

I will gladly post my encounters with them. Just wanted to acknowledge your experience and thread for now.

Love

Nora

[wynderer]

Yea actually,
I have a lot of memory blocks in place that I have chosen not to reopen. I have seen objects in the sky more times than I can count. Always at a great distance, popping out and back behind clouds, putting on a show (Multiple objects) that others witnessed, some missing time and memories. I would be willing to go more into it offline. I know that they have kept an eye on me though. At the age of 18 just before I left Home (College/Military) I had a couple encounters in my parents’ house. The last one was when I walked out of my room when I was alone at home... my parents bedroom door was open and the patio door was straight through so to show anyone standing in the line of sight. I saw 3 or 4 10+ ft tall shadow/silloettes kind of moving from foot to foot, shifting their weight but staying in place. I was overcome with anger and fight or flight kicked in. My mind told me to run out the front door which was just steps away. Instead I got very angry and charged into the room where they were. Right when I threw myself into the room I don’t remember anything after that. My parents arrived home from work some hours later and I was passed out in bed a little bruised and scratched up. I never had another encounter again until 2003 when I worked at Microsoft in N. Texas and took a break to get away and have a smoke at a local park under a bridge. I had seen an object way off in the distance undistinguishable but moving unconventionally through the sky. When I got to the park and went under a bridge for a "Smoke" I encountered the Tan Reptilian Critter I described in a previous post. While in the Military I was up very close to HUGE Triangular craft... HUGE, like the size of the new Dallas Cowboys Stadium. It was defiantly ours. But that is another story... I think that after my show of defiance and no fear that one time they either left me alone or began handling me differently. I have no memories of being inside a craft or abducted. Just gaps in memory and time. I have only told my Wife about some of this... There is more, but I refuse to talk to her or anyone else about it... she used to push the issue but I finally told her I will never talk about it and to stop asking... I told her she would not ever look at me the same way after I went into it. It’s just to "Out There" and having PTSD already, I do not need to look crazy or unstable :der:. So, just keep it in, besides I do not want to recover those memories anyway. I am pretty surprised I am sharing this on this forum... I guess your opening up gave me a short term "Why Not" kind of moment. I look forward to more info from you. I asked a couple of questions that I would like to hear back on. The main one is the different types of beings you have seen other than the Short/Tall Grays in the presence of the Lizy's. I ask trying not to add suggestions to the question to minimize subconsciously leading people to answer the question from other stories they have read. If I was abducted it was more of the MILAB kind of situations I "Believe". Wheew... okay. That is all for now.
CoreyG/Texas

Hi Corey -- i guess i will post again today --i'm not used to a home computer yet , & am used to rushing to read & post during the time allotted to a library computer

re your earlier question re whether abductions /Reptilian interactions happen in clusters -- the only common thread i can see to any of this is that being around someone else w/ a lot of Reptilian DNA seems to get things stirred up -- also, i think that the abduction i wrote about happened just as i was about to take a big step in spiritual awakening -- the abduction kind of took all my attention away from the spiritual process going on [hindsight is always 20/20]

re interactions w/other ETs -- yes -- i've had many many sightings of UFOs, some very close -- i am friends w/two people, one a man, the other a woman -- both have told me that they are ETs -- both [they don't know each other] have told me that they are technically Grey clones -- i know them both well, & believe them -- i've also been contacted by some little blue guys -- other interactions will come to mind [it is difficult to remember these things -- i have found that it helps to write them out -- after i made a list of all the UFOs i've seen, or remember seeing, it is much easier to remember them]

i am kind of of the opinion that if a person has seen UFOs, has a lot of interest in them, & especially if there are missing time episodes in your life -- i think it is highly likely that the person is an abductee

your not telling anyone, even your wife -- that's one of the worst things to live with afterwards -- the isolation of having experiences that most Humans are brainwashed not to even want to hear [occasionally i get into a feisty mood & force friends to hear some of my stories -- i get to see classic mind control symptoms going on in them when i do so]

i also thought that after i stood up to the Draco during that abduction & the assault in my bed -- i thought i was not being abducted anymore -- however, a month or so ago i woke up w/the cuts & scratches again -- i'd asked James Bartley some years ago if maybe now that i no longer can be used as a breeder [i was in my 50s then], maybe no more abductions? he dashed that hope by telling me he knew an 85-yr-old woman still being abducted

i do not hate or fear the Reptilians & other abductors -- i'm just generally weary of this lifetime -- dealing w/mean &/or sleeping Humans & abducting Reptilians -- i can't even enjoy the beauty of this planet as much -- every year there are fewer & fewer birds each spring, for instance -- & when i tune into the trees, formerly a place/consciousness of peace, i now pick up their distress -- they are connected to each other in a way Humans aren't, & are suffering for all the deaths of many of their brothers & sisters

if i missed any of your questions , pls remind me

thanks for all your thoughtful posts -- wyn

[GoodETxSG]

Yea actually,
I have a lot of memory blocks in place that I have chosen not to reopen. I have seen objects in the sky more times than I can count. Always at a great distance, popping out and back behind clouds, putting on a show (Multiple objects) that others witnessed, some missing time and memories. I would be willing to go more into it offline. I know that they have kept an eye on me though. At the age of 18 just before I left Home (College/Military) I had a couple encounters in my parents’ house. The last one was when I walked out of my room when I was alone at home... my parents bedroom door was open and the patio door was straight through so to show anyone standing in the line of sight. I saw 3 or 4 10+ ft tall shadow/silloettes kind of moving from foot to foot, shifting their weight but staying in place. I was overcome with anger and fight or flight kicked in. My mind told me to run out the front door which was just steps away. Instead I got very angry and charged into the room where they were. Right when I threw myself into the room I don’t remember anything after that. My parents arrived home from work some hours later and I was passed out in bed a little bruised and scratched up. I never had another encounter again until 2003 when I worked at Microsoft in N. Texas and took a break to get away and have a smoke at a local park under a bridge. I had seen an object way off in the distance undistinguishable but moving unconventionally through the sky. When I got to the park and went under a bridge for a "Smoke" I encountered the Tan Reptilian Critter I described in a previous post. While in the Military I was up very close to HUGE Triangular craft... HUGE, like the size of the new Dallas Cowboys Stadium. It was defiantly ours. But that is another story... I think that after my show of defiance and no fear that one time they either left me alone or began handling me differently. I have no memories of being inside a craft or abducted. Just gaps in memory and time. I have only told my Wife about some of this... There is more, but I refuse to talk to her or anyone else about it... she used to push the issue but I finally told her I will never talk about it and to stop asking... I told her she would not ever look at me the same way after I went into it. It’s just to "Out There" and having PTSD already, I do not need to look crazy or unstable :der:. So, just keep it in, besides I do not want to recover those memories anyway. I am pretty surprised I am sharing this on this forum... I guess your opening up gave me a short term "Why Not" kind of moment. I look forward to more info from you. I asked a couple of questions that I would like to hear back on. The main one is the different types of beings you have seen other than the Short/Tall Grays in the presence of the Lizy's. I ask trying not to add suggestions to the question to minimize subconsciously leading people to answer the question from other stories they have read. If I was abducted it was more of the MILAB kind of situations I "Believe". Wheew... okay. That is all for now.
CoreyG/Texas

Hi Corey -- i guess i will post again today --i'm not used to a home computer yet , & am used to rushing to read & post during the time allotted to a library computer

re your earlier question re whether abductions /Reptilian interactions happen in clusters -- the only common thread i can see to any of this is that being around someone else w/ a lot of Reptilian DNA seems to get things stirred up -- also, i think that the abduction i wrote about happened just as i was about to take a big step in spiritual awakening -- the abduction kind of took all my attention away from the spiritual process going on [hindsight is always 20/20]

re interactions w/other ETs -- yes -- i've had many many sightings of UFOs, some very close -- i am friends w/two people, one a man, the other a woman -- both have told me that they are ETs -- both [they don't know each other] have told me that they are technically Grey clones -- i know them both well, & believe them -- i've also been contacted by some little blue guys -- other interactions will come to mind [it is difficult to remember these things -- i have found that it helps to write them out -- after i made a list of all the UFOs i've seen, or remember seeing, it is much easier to remember them]

i am kind of of the opinion that if a person has seen UFOs, has a lot of interest in them, & especially if there are missing time episodes in your life -- i think it is highly likely that the person is an abductee

your not telling anyone, even your wife -- that's one of the worst things to live with afterwards -- the isolation of having experiences that most Humans are brainwashed not to even want to hear [occasionally i get into a feisty mood & force friends to hear some of my stories -- i get to see classic mind control symptoms going on in them when i do so]

i also thought that after i stood up to the Draco during that abduction & the assault in my bed -- i thought i was not being abducted anymore -- however, a month or so ago i woke up w/the cuts & scratches again -- i'd asked James Bartley some years ago if maybe now that i no longer can be used as a breeder [i was in my 50s then], maybe no more abductions? he dashed that hope by telling me he knew an 85-yr-old woman still being abducted

i do not hate or fear the Reptilians & other abductors -- i'm just generally weary of this lifetime -- dealing w/mean &/or sleeping Humans & abducting Reptilians -- i can't even enjoy the beauty of this planet as much -- every year there are fewer & fewer birds each spring, for instance -- & when i tune into the trees, formerly a place/consciousness of peace, i now pick up their distress -- they are connected to each other in a way Humans aren't, & are suffering for all the deaths of many of their brothers & sisters

if i missed any of your questions , pls remind me

thanks for all your thoughtful posts -- wyn

Yes, I do see some correlations between what you wrote and my life experiences. I guess I need to open myself to the idea of finding a regression therapist. Thank you, we will chat on Skype more, I received your contact request and added you.
CoreyG/Texas

[RunningDeer]

Reptilians and Greys =Archons .....check out this site below. Very interesting....

jayweidner.com/Archons.html (jayweider.com/Archons.html)

that link doesn't work for me, truth4me

Hello wynderer, try this link: Jay Weider (http://www.jayweidner.com/Archons.html)

UPDATE: Oops, I see that some posts below (which is now above) had responded. :wave:

[wynderer]

Hi wynderer,

Appreciate you sharing your experience about the Reptilian.

I have had many experiences with them myself -earliest memory mid 1990's also a few with the greys and with our star friends.
Although, I don't think I have been abducted by the Reptilians at least if I have I don't remember.

A few on this thread have expressed that people give their accounts of their experiences with them.

I will gladly post my encounters with them. Just wanted to acknowledge your experience and thread for now.

Love

Nora

Hi Nora -- sorry it took so long to reply --

if you'd like to post your encounters w/them on this thread, please do so -- i'd be honored

the main reason i came back to the net & Avalon [after checking the forum out first & seeing that there seemed to be quite a few threads where members were courteous to each other -- the info has always been top-notch here] was to start connecting w/other abductees -- i know all about the many ways we are attacked when trying to talk about this , & that it takes courage to do so

& i would very much like to hear your experiences

wyn

PS -- are you an abductee? just re-read your post -- i draw a heavy line between 'abductee' & 'contactee'

[wynderer]

Yea actually,
I have a lot of memory blocks in place that I have chosen not to reopen. I have seen objects in the sky more times than I can count. Always at a great distance, popping out and back behind clouds, putting on a show (Multiple objects) that others witnessed, some missing time and memories. I would be willing to go more into it offline. I know that they have kept an eye on me though. At the age of 18 just before I left Home (College/Military) I had a couple encounters in my parents’ house. The last one was when I walked out of my room when I was alone at home... my parents bedroom door was open and the patio door was straight through so to show anyone standing in the line of sight. I saw 3 or 4 10+ ft tall shadow/silloettes kind of moving from foot to foot, shifting their weight but staying in place. I was overcome with anger and fight or flight kicked in. My mind told me to run out the front door which was just steps away. Instead I got very angry and charged into the room where they were. Right when I threw myself into the room I don’t remember anything after that. My parents arrived home from work some hours later and I was passed out in bed a little bruised and scratched up. I never had another encounter again until 2003 when I worked at Microsoft in N. Texas and took a break to get away and have a smoke at a local park under a bridge. I had seen an object way off in the distance undistinguishable but moving unconventionally through the sky. When I got to the park and went under a bridge for a "Smoke" I encountered the Tan Reptilian Critter I described in a previous post. While in the Military I was up very close to HUGE Triangular craft... HUGE, like the size of the new Dallas Cowboys Stadium. It was defiantly ours. But that is another story... I think that after my show of defiance and no fear that one time they either left me alone or began handling me differently. I have no memories of being inside a craft or abducted. Just gaps in memory and time. I have only told my Wife about some of this... There is more, but I refuse to talk to her or anyone else about it... she used to push the issue but I finally told her I will never talk about it and to stop asking... I told her she would not ever look at me the same way after I went into it. It’s just to "Out There" and having PTSD already, I do not need to look crazy or unstable :der:. So, just keep it in, besides I do not want to recover those memories anyway. I am pretty surprised I am sharing this on this forum... I guess your opening up gave me a short term "Why Not" kind of moment. I look forward to more info from you. I asked a couple of questions that I would like to hear back on. The main one is the different types of beings you have seen other than the Short/Tall Grays in the presence of the Lizy's. I ask trying not to add suggestions to the question to minimize subconsciously leading people to answer the question from other stories they have read. If I was abducted it was more of the MILAB kind of situations I "Believe". Wheew... okay. That is all for now.
CoreyG/Texas

Hi Corey -- i just tried to p.m. you & my mind blanked out again -- so i'll post -- tho, like you, i am hesitant about sharing too much on the net

this post of yours above -- it is disturbing to me -- one reason is that we each reacted to a Reptilian -- Reptilians in your case -- w/ANGER -- & then we each lost consciousness -- came across something in my James Casbolt reading today & wondered if they know exactly how to induce either anger or fear --

also the huge triangle -- i saw one also low, low overhead where i was living when that abduction happened -- it was HUGE -- & i also immediately knew it was one of ours

& those 'gaps in memory or time' -- the parts i deleted from my original post on Nexus were about my thinking i had stopped the abductions [by fighting them instead of cowering in fear] -- i'm having to accept that they are pretty darn good at wiping out memories

& the MILAB -- aren't MILABS actually re-abductees? re-abducted by our military &/or intel after an abduction by the ETs? to learn what we learned? -- unless you're an MK-Ultra kind of MILAB?

like you said at the end of your post --'Whew!' it's really difficult to post this for others to read --

wyn

[Guest]

wynderer thank you for your interest.
honestly I appreciate you and the thread.

As far as I know have not been abducted...

Since the mid 1990's.... they have stalked me by inter-dimensional travel. My first encounter with one was in the desert.... my first instinct and thought was "what in the hell is that?" and to get away from it as fast as I could.

The last time they showed up was spring 2011 I was trying to help a friend and
we were discussing esoteric, our star friends and raising the his energy, the people
and the earth -topics along those lines.
I heard them before I saw them... I'll describe the sound - a loud roaring, low rumbling, whooshing piercing crystallized energy sound and vibration. They came in fast.

It was 2 of them -1 of them was huge massive I told my friend he needed to go. After he left I remained as calm as I could and within my being, mind and out loud as loud as I could told them to leave and they did. They didn't stay long.

To say that I find encounters with them disturbing would be a very big understatement.

Right now, I am having trouble with my comp and typing on a phone.
When I have my comp up will write more or pm you.
I haven't read through the whole thread yet.
Please know that I have deep compassion for anyone who has these experiences whether abducted or if they even see one. I resonate with David Icke and Creto Mutwa On the reptilian issue.

Love

Nora

[wynderer]

Reptilians and Greys =Archons .....check out this site below. Very interesting....

jayweidner.com/Archons.html (jayweider.com/Archons.html)

that link doesn't work for me, truth4me

Hello wynderer, try this link: Jay Weider (http://www.jayweidner.com/Archons.html)

UPDATE: Oops, I see that some posts below (which is now above) had responded. :wave:

thanks, WhiteCrowBlackDeer -- looks interesting -- added it to my favorites -- i have a lot of catching up to do, being effectively away from the net for quite a few months

wyn

[wynderer]

a bump for this --




Judging a being with totally different moral standards or lack of any moral standards is impossible as we are doing so from our point of "Right and Wrong". I guess our judgments are made by experiences and witnessing their DEEDS. I am sure there is a full spectrum of Good and Evil as we perceive it throughout the Galaxy... probably a range of Good and Evil within each non terrestrial entity... But we have to categorize them based on our experiences with them. Other than people that have been on DMT and other drugs in this category I have not heard any Positive stories about the Reptilians or their several of species of "Workers". Some of them are slaves from the Good groups or maybe incarnated in that body... they can control what we perceive so well that if we see a shining being of light it could be camouflage of something more sinister. I believe there are service to others types of beings and there are definitely service to self types that are very interested in us. There are some higher frequency beings (Angel Like) that these service to self critters flee from as fast as they can. There is a whole paradigm happening on many vibratory levels that we absolutely have no way of understanding or base of reference. My humble opinion anyway from what I have witnessed and been briefed on.

[wynderer]

hi tonton -- i've been going thru this thread, making sure i answered all posts -- i don't think i did w/you

i have learned to pay attention to those little thoughts about missing time & such -- especially if my thinking gets kind of fuzzy when i turn my attention there -- on the other hand, life was very different for me before i woke up during the abduction -- could be it's best to let sleeping dogs lie (:

just a thought -- i kind of got the feeling that you are unusual in some way & they were trying some kind of abduction technique on you that couldn't be used on most

wyn




thanks ,truth4me for the link.started checking it out.a lot there.

wynderer, dont know , but this thread is reminding me a lot of an experience i had maybe 16 years ago with a grey.it not comparable , just its reminding me .i shrugged it off at the time, but i remember it as if it was yesterday.think maybe that 1,had a memory wipe and dont remember, or 2 spotted one spying on me through the bathroom window and he made me think that it was nothing ,just keep shaving,its the mist on the window,just keep shaving, i remember there was no fear and no problem, just his face disappearing from the window.maybe i should do some hypnosis to see if there are missing gaps, or maybe its best left unturned, as the experience may not have been friendly. not shore which road to take, but, i sorta know that once curiosity lercks, its just a matter of time before one lances.

[wynderer]

thank you for sharing this, NancyV -- while re-reading it, i understood -- maybe for the first time -- just how difficult it would be for someone who has never seen a Reptilian, either in the line of duty [ i always say, if you want to find folks who KNOW that ET/EDs are here amongst us, go to the higher levels of the military & of intel ] or in personal encounters -- how difficult that must be to believe, especially for those who are sheeple, & those who are not 'gifted' as one Medicine Man/Shaman said of me

thank you for teaching me that lesson --

wyn


My husband told me about a reptilian being he saw at Area 51. He has also seen many grays at area 51, both the short and tall grays. He only saw the reptilian being once when he went into someone's office. He didn't ask any questions about it and hasn't told anyone but me about the incident. This happened in the early 80's when he had occasion to go in and out of Area 51 several times while on special missions. My point in mentioning this again is that if his story is true then the reptilians may have agreements with or are controlling parts of the government or hidden parts of the government or military that maybe most in government and military don't know about. My husband was not mind controlled or drowsy. All his faculties were intact. So there are also people who say they have seen reptilians where it was not part of an abduction experience and they were not mind controlled.

[wynderer]

Logan --i think Humans had better deal w/their own internal divide-&-conquer racism before they can tackle cosmic racism -- like that Muse song, that line 'We must unify & watch our flag ascend' -- the flag of Humanity , rightful inhabitors of planet Earth

w8KQmps-Sog

[my first attempt to get the video rather than just the link]

wyn




First I want to thank Corey for sharing. You're brave, dude. I commend you for sharing with us.

I would like to comment though on that concept of "cosmic racism". I think this may be a bit off track and I apologize, but this isn't worth a new thread I don't think either.

I agree with that concept whole-heartedly. Even with all the scary stories people tell I keep a completely open mind. In the face of a being from somewhere else I would judge the situation as it presented itself. If I am in danger, I will respond accordingly. Otherwise I will only give out love and acceptance.

This topic brought to mind that clip that is allegedly EBE-4 from 1989 at S4. It's a clip that as far as I know has never been debunked. There is a grey in a dark interview room, and he starts going into serious distress. All I feel watching it is compassion for the being. I've always been this way. If I see any living being in distress, I feel compassion. That's basically the long and the short of it.

[GoodETxSG]

I will share more with ya W. Sorry I have not replied to your last email ... all of this conversation and thinking about this topic started bringing up bad dreams etc... I have been told by a few sources that I was a MILAB but didn’t believe it. I have NO memories of it at all so why would I? I was told by one of the Camelot people interviewed (Aaron Mc Cullum I believe was his name) that he recognized me from missions and KNEW me… I still have the email. I was like SAY WHAAAT???

My wife told me she used to hear me shouting out military orders in my sleep as if in a combat situation all the time... it REALY Freaked her out. I haven't done that in many years now. Many times when I had weird dreams or experiences I would wake up with bruises and unexplained scrapes and abrasions on my body and feeling extremely stiff and sore the next morning (Lasting for a few days). I thought my wife was whooping by butt in my sleep. But since she had no reason other than my smart comments I ruled that out.

I am kind of at the point of do I want to unlock that info from my brain? I have a feeling it would be traumatic and may expain why I was diagnosed with Complex-PTSD and not just PTSD. I dunno... Will see if I let it go or not, I haven't decided.

[wynderer]

I will share more with ya W. Sorry I have not replied to your last email ... all of this conversation and thinking about this topic started bringing up bad dreams etc... I have been told by a few sources that I was a MILAB but didn’t believe it. I have NO memories of it at all so why would I? I was told by one of the Camelot people interviewed (Aaron Mc Cullum I believe was his name) that he recognized me from missions and KNEW me… I still have the email. I was like SAY WHAAAT???

My wife told me she used to hear me shouting out military orders in my sleep as if in a combat situation all the time... it REALY Freaked her out. I haven't done that in many years now. Many times when I had weird dreams or experiences I would wake up with bruises and unexplained scrapes and abrasions on my body and feeling extremely stiff and sore the next morning (Lasting for a few days). I thought my wife was whooping by butt in my sleep. But since she had no reason other than my smart comments I ruled that out.

I am kind of at the point of do I want to unlock that info from my brain? I have a feeling it would be traumatic and may expain why I was diagnosed with Complex-PTSD and not just PTSD. I dunno... Will see if I let it go or not, I haven't decided.

Hi Corey -- my inclination is to write you personally about this -- but as you are being courageous enough to be open about some stuff, i will do the same

OK -- i knew i was going to hear this from you, that you are remembering that you are a MILAB -- i was half-dreading reading it, but half wanting to hear from you

i seem to be having memories of being a MILAB myself -- [i am having a difficult time writing this] -- not just that everything in me kind of perked up & became alert when i saw your photo & then the coincidences w/some of our experiences , incl the Naval Intel thing -- i had a kind of jolt of recognition when seeing your photo

but as my military thing is always kind of around the edges of my life, & yours are central, i wondered if i were empathically picking up your experiences & reading them as mine -- my psy abilities seem to be increasing lately --

re the PTSD -- my 'alien love bite' experience was w/ a 'Nam vet who was one who had testified before the US Senate Congressional hearings to prove that PTSD was a genuine condition -- he told me that when we first met, he could see immediately that 'i had it bad' including the 1,000-yd stare

i'm also going thru the 'If this is true, do i really want to remember?' stage -- but i'll probably decide to go w/the remembering [if true] as i am doing w/the abduction[s]

here's one thing i know -- during my abductions, it was not the Greys who were looking down at me strapped to a table -- it was Humans in doc outfits

if we get a dialogue going, i can keep on posting -- this is stressful to be writing about

wyn

EDIT/PS -- also the last few days i watched James Casbolt's 2011 interview, read his IBIS stuff, watched the Dave Corso & Duncan O'Finioan interview on Project Camelot & one of Aaron McCollum's , & checked out Duncan's site, being glad to see that there are some women i could talk to if it's true -- it's pretty clear that you are an MK-Ultra kind of MILAB -- i think if i am one, they were just using me to learn about the Reptilians -- or maybe working w/them --

PS again -- that loud crack that they said was a pulse heard in the Dave Corso & Duncan interview -- that freaked me out, as i have had the same thing happen in my own home

[GoodETxSG]

Yea, your reaction to my photo is almot word for word what Aaron said. This is some really weird stuff... I will need to digest some of this as all of what you said strikes way to close to home. Literally... I will get back to you. Lets do the rest of this via personal email. All I know is that I took a stand and found a way to fight in a way that they have mostly left me alone the last 8 or so years accept for being observed from a close distance... strangely aboutt he same amount of years as my daughter has been born (Yipes). She is EXTREMELY Empathic and very psychic... she reads animals and animals that people say to be careful with come up to her and show love to her. She is very special... my one year old son is very similar from what I have seen so far. Anyway. Give me some time and I will open up more. In the mean time someone else needs our assistance. You probably have seen his post. I struck me in a strong way. Check out vansak who posted: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28040-Strong-indication-that-Jordan-Maxwells-claims-of-mutation-of-humanity-is-in-effect
TY...

[wynderer]

i need some time to back off & circle around this for a while also -- i've deliberately not thought about it today -- & yes, i'd feel more comfortable discussing this via email


Yea, your reaction to my photo is almot word for word what Aaron said. This is some really weird stuff... I will need to digest some of this as all of what you said strikes way to close to home. Literally... I will get back to you. Lets do the rest of this via personal email. All I know is that I took a stand and found a way to fight in a way that they have mostly left me alone the last 8 or so years accept for being observed from a close distance... strangely aboutt he same amount of years as my daughter has been born (Yipes). She is EXTREMELY Empathic and very psychic... she reads animals and animals that people say to be careful with come up to her and show love to her. She is very special... my one year old son is very similar from what I have seen so far. Anyway. Give me some time and I will open up more. In the mean time someone else needs our assistance. You probably have seen his post. I struck me in a strong way. Check out vansak who posted: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28040-Strong-indication-that-Jordan-Maxwells-claims-of-mutation-of-humanity-is-in-effect
TY...

[GoodETxSG]

Agreed.......

[tonton]

year well, i dont want to say something that i dont have clear, but slowly feeling my way there, had the feeling that maybe they probed me and said, na,this one is not ripe yet........... or?
but im shore with any physiological dysfunction, one will stimulate it out,often by accident,and the disfiguration appears,.takes time, patience and courage to take the disfigured memories to understand or remember with clarity, what it was about.we also have this grand way of taking things so personally,(quite natural and logical)but to understand some of this , perhaps its not the best method. if one were to try and separate themselves from the the person (you or i) pain, fear ,or distortion and then analyze it. one could feel less hurt by it .and one would lodgically see ,or look at it with a more powerful perspective.
bessos

[wynderer]

Hi Tonton -- the Hopi Elders advise us not to take anything personally at this time -- i wrote in another thread that i am dealing w/my abductions on a personal level -- it's a fact of my life -- what concerns me is the implications for Humanity as a whole w/these abductions





year well, i dont want to say something that i dont have clear, but slowly feeling my way there, had the feeling that maybe they probed me and said, na,this one is not ripe yet........... or?
but im shore with any physiological dysfunction, one will stimulate it out,often by accident,and the disfiguration appears,.takes time, patience and courage to take the disfigured memories to understand or remember with clarity, what it was about.we also have this grand way of taking things so personally,(quite natural and logical)but to understand some of this , perhaps its not the best method. if one were to try and separate themselves from the the person (you or i) pain, fear ,or distortion and then analyze it. one could feel less hurt by it .and one would lodgically see ,or look at it with a more powerful perspective.
bessos

[tonton]

Hi Tonton -- the Hopi Elders advise us not to take anything personally at this time -- i wrote in another thread that i am dealing w/my abductions on a personal level -- it's a fact of my life -- what concerns me is the implications for Humanity as a whole w/these abductions


wynderer ,you know that i meant to always try to analyze from a distance,an experience or a memory, as if you were looking at someone else,with distance. our personal feelings hurt us with memories that hurt us. with all that you have been going through, you have time to worry for humanity.!you are such a powerful person.
i can tell you one thing , you have helped me, with your strength to continue and truth.there is now one human that is starting to see.

[wynderer]

thank you, Tonton, for your words of encouragement & your concern/compassion

a lot of life-long abductees learn to 'dissociate' -- i think that's the term -- to disconnect from our emotions -- i have no desire to be regressed & remember all of , or more of, my abductions -- they seem to follow patterns, anyway, abductions -- the Greys have one MO/pattern & the Reptilians another , w/some variation, but not much, w/both [only those of the Light & Love are creative]

if i thought my remembering would help others, i would endure the trauma -- there's only one experience i had that i'd liked to be regressed for -- & only w/someone i TRUST

very glad to have met you , Tonton -- if you're ever in the States, pls come visit

wyn



Hi Tonton -- the Hopi Elders advise us not to take anything personally at this time -- i wrote in another thread that i am dealing w/my abductions on a personal level -- it's a fact of my life -- what concerns me is the implications for Humanity as a whole w/these abductions


wynderer ,you know that i meant to always try to analyze from a distance,an experience or a memory, as if you were looking at someone else,with distance. our personal feelings hurt us with memories that hurt us. with all that you have been going through, you have time to worry for humanity.!you are such a powerful person.
i can tell you one thing , you have helped me, with your strength to continue and truth.there is now one human that is starting to see.

[moonchild]

this reminds me of Dan Burisch -- i think he was the first Project Camelot interviewee? he helped a Grey-like being, caught & held by the military, to get free

the Grey being said he came from the future -- that Humans had become Greys in the future -- i have wondered if the Reptilians genetically turn all their conquered races into Greys as they expand their empire

I remember watching a movie with that exact story line!!! It was 2 guys who helped the grey escape, I'll try to find it!

[GoodETxSG]

this reminds me of Dan Burisch -- i think he was the first Project Camelot interviewee? he helped a Grey-like being, caught & held by the military, to get free

the Grey being said he came from the future -- that Humans had become Greys in the future -- i have wondered if the Reptilians genetically turn all their conquered races into Greys as they expand their empire

I remember watching a movie with that exact story line!!! It was 2 guys who helped the grey escape, I'll try to find it!

Yes, the JROD story. I remember that one.

[tonton]

Re: Abduction by Reptilian
thank you, Tonton, for your words of encouragement & your concern/compassion

a lot of life-long abductees learn to 'dissociate' -- i think that's the term -- to disconnect from our emotions -- i have no desire to be regressed & remember all of , or more of, my abductions -- they seem to follow patterns, anyway, abductions -- the Greys have one MO/pattern & the Reptilians another , w/some variation, but not much, w/both [only those of the Light & Love are creative]

if i thought my remembering would help others, i would endure the trauma -- there's only one experience i had that i'd liked to be regressed for -- & only w/someone i TRUST

very glad to have met you , Tonton -- if you're ever in the States, pls come visit

wyn


un abrazo fuerte,and yes if can overcome the thought of ever going to the states , it would be a pleasure.

[wynderer]

Yea, your reaction to my photo is almot word for word what Aaron said. This is some really weird stuff... I will need to digest some of this as all of what you said strikes way to close to home. Literally... I will get back to you. Lets do the rest of this via personal email. All I know is that I took a stand and found a way to fight in a way that they have mostly left me alone the last 8 or so years accept for being observed from a close distance... strangely aboutt he same amount of years as my daughter has been born (Yipes). She is EXTREMELY Empathic and very psychic... she reads animals and animals that people say to be careful with come up to her and show love to her. She is very special... my one year old son is very similar from what I have seen so far. Anyway. Give me some time and I will open up more. In the mean time someone else needs our assistance. You probably have seen his post. I struck me in a strong way. Check out vansak who posted: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28040-Strong-indication-that-Jordan-Maxwells-claims-of-mutation-of-humanity-is-in-effect
TY...


Corey -- i found this on Alara Blackwell's blog -- a MILAB
http://alarablackwell.wordpress.com/
there's a video interview w/her posted on the forum:

I’ve met two people so far that say they might know me and I felt like I knew them. As soon as I met them in person, I didn’t know who they were. Which means, that’s right, energetic interference and manipulation.

I will say, emotions and memories are valid for the person remembering them, planted or real, because even planted memories will seem real enough and still cause emotional turmoil. I can only hope everyone can be free of the anger and fear, and move past it. So I can’t judge anyone, this is a rough time for all of us.

[wynderer]

below is a clip from Houman's Archon thread, post #180 --

By the way, for alien abductees, Malanga reports that you’re never abducted just once or twice. Instead, you’re abducted on a regular basis over your lifetime… from birth, while alien interferences start in the womb. And, if you’ve been abducted, then most likely it has also been happening to others in your immediate family, as well as in your parents’ immediate families, in their parents’ immediate families before that, and so on. In other words, abductions are generational, just like alien (demon) interference. And, if you’re experiencing interference, then you may also be having abductions that you cannot recall.

[wynderer]

just change some of the Human faces while watching into current heads of state



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[wynderer]

from today's UFO Digest ---
http://www.ufodigest.com/article/abductee-kay-wilson-has-changed-her-beliefs

Submitted by Kay Wilson on Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:46
How My Beliefs Have Changed

2012 Updated note to the reader

Since I originally wrote this article, my feelings concerning this subject have changed. To be succinct: You cannot "pray away" the aliens. If one looks deeply enough at our history, they will realize that organized religions are nothing more than mind and behavioral control tools: conditioned forms of mental slavery. Furthermore, we have to face the fact that extra-terrestrials and/or interdimensional Beings have been interacting with humanity since humanity itself came into existence.


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"The idea of a Supreme Being who creates a world in which one creature is designed to eat another in order to subsist, and then passes a law saying, 'Thou shalt not kill,' is so monstrously, immeasurably, bottomlessly absurd that I am at a loss to understand how mankind has entertained or given it a house room all this long." - Peter De Vries


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The original article begins here: It is difficult to be succinct when discussing the topic of alien abductions or religion, but to bring the two subjects together in the same article is quite a task, not to mention controversial. The reason I am writing this is because I am often asked how my beliefs have changed since I began my investigation into the abduction phenomenon ten years ago in 1987. This article is my attempt to answer a question I have put off answering for quite some time.

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[wynderer]

Phil Schneider gave his life to get this info out

from the thread re Human mutilations by ETs [or EDs ?] - from the well trained & experienced investigator of the mutilations -- he said they try to keep abduction stories quiet as much as they do the mutilation cases

thanks for posting this, KiwiElf

wyn


Hi GalaxyHorse,

I started a thread last year on Phil Schneider here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31294-EPITAPH-The-Phil-Schneider-Story

Other readers added some great videos, and Jackovesk recently put one up here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43211--New--Underground-Base-at-Dulce-Hidden-Reality-True-Story-of-Phil-Schneider

All adds to the cross index of information - enjoy! :)

[wynderer]

i found this on abductee support group site -- i agree w/her selection of books , & would add Jim Marrs' 'Alien Agenda' also

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.First, the information to read/view and then cross-reference are as follows: David Jacobs PhD’s two books “The Threat: Revealing the Alien Secret Agenda” and “Secret Life: Firsthand, Documented Accounts of UFO Abductions”; the Dan Sherman book “Above Black: Project Preserve Destiny Insider Account of Alien Contact & Government Cover-up”; and lastly on Youtube, view the Project Camelot Dan Burisch interviews.

Then sit down and compare all of this material and see what you come up with. The most intriguing thing to me is the (ex-military officer) Dan Sherman information about how he recorded abduction information including latitude/longitude coordinates of abductions, information about pain experienced by the abductee, the potentiality for recall by the abductee, the date, and the abductee’s assigned number.
And this was recorded by Dan (and others in the military who held these work assignments before and after him) for the military.

…..So to make a long story short and make some of the comparisons for the readers here (and please, examine the info for yourselves with a critical state of mind), Dan Burisch’s work with Maj12 shows that the US govt made an agreement with the beings that they could abduct a certain number of US citizens (and apparently all of their offspring i.e. children, grandchildren) and use them for the agreed-upon genetic work (includes breeding program) as long as they stayed within certain boundaries and reported the abductions and abductees to the military….

[wynderer]

re the fluorescence found on abductees:

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Fluorescence
According to Webster the term ‘fluorescence’ refers to the property of a substance emitting light after absorbing it.

Such fluorescence is sometimes present in alien abduction cases. Markings that fluoresce have appeared on the skin of abductees. The marks emit light (glow) after they are exposed to a black light (ultra-violet light).

In 1992, Derrel W. Sims and his medical & scientific team first began documenting the appearance of these fluorescent markings on the skin of several human beings who reported having alien encounters.

As his work progressed, he and the team noted that individuals appeared to receive the fluorescent markings via two methods:

Procedural contact
Casual contact
Further study defined these categories as follows:

Procedural Contact, where the medical-like activities of the alleged alien left corresponding fluorescent marks.
Casual contact, where the alien touches the abducted person and leaves a fluorescent mark.
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http://www.operationaliendna.com/fluorescence/

[wynderer]

my good-bye gift to you all

watch just the first few minutes & learn why most abductees are silent, & why all i've talked to have never found a forum -- including Avalon -- where they feel comfortable in sharing

someone wants us to be quiet, to the point of programming your minds to disbelieve us , while channelings & Humans who tell us about the good ETs --doing light & orb shows ,etc-- get a whole lot of attention--

you might all ask yourselves, 'Why?'

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[Debra]

I hope you see one day the hand that has been extended to you on this forum, time and again, by many - including myself Wynderer.

I would say a good percentage of people here are decent, open folk who want to know more and also have a genuine commitment to supporting people who are prepared to share their stories. A lot of people on here are also abductees, or experiencers.

You are not alone, or special in this regard. I would like to ask you how you think we can participate in your enquiry? Not just what you want to tell us.

Is that not the point of being part of a forum? To engage each other, to seek answers, to find greater understanding?

I also disagree with you about any popularity rating on threads between negative and positive ET experiences. I see huge threads dedicated to some very uncomfortable information on this forum. HUGE. That tells me that many people give their attention to this darker side. So, I don´t think you can go tilting the figures on that account.

Now, I just want to be myself right now, not mince words and what I am going to say is with well meaning and good heart.

I honour you for your sharp mind and the great deal of knowledge and experience that you have to offer. I want you to take care, and I want you to lighten up a bit. Life is to be enjoyed as well. So, I wish for you this: to start seeing the humanity that comes your way, instead of kicking it away.

Be kinder to yourself.
Best wishes,
Zebra

[Eram]

Hi wynderer,

I understand that you are leaving this forum, due to other things you want to do.
I just wanted to thank you for everything you shared with us.
It was only yesterday that I read this thread and it moved me a lot.
It also widened my perspective on this whole abduction scene that is happening on this planet.

There are so many things I would like to say but I'll just keep it short and say:
Thank you and I wish you all the best!

best wishes,

Waky

[wynderer]

great idea, Zebra -- i hereby hand this thread over to you , for other abductees to tell their stories [what little most of us remember] -- why not start w/yourself?

[edit to add] since 'Reptilian' is the thread title, a further suggestion: Why not focus on abductions/other 1st-hand stories of personal meetings w/Reptilians? -- the abductions by the Greys are for the sheeple --

good luck, wyn


I hope you see one day the hand that has been extended to you on this forum, time and again, by many - including myself Wynderer.

I would say a good percentage of people here are decent, open folk who want to know more and also have a genuine commitment to supporting people who are prepared to share their stories. A lot of people on here are also abductees, or experiencers.

You are not alone, or special in this regard. I would like to ask you how you think we can participate in your enquiry? Not just what you want to tell us.

Is that not the point of being part of a forum? To engage each other, to seek answers, to find greater understanding?

I also disagree with you about any popularity rating on threads between negative and positive ET experiences. I see huge threads dedicated to some very uncomfortable information on this forum. HUGE. That tells me that many people give their attention to this darker side. So, I don´t think you can go tilting the figures on that account.

Now, I just want to be myself right now, not mince words and what I am going to say is with well meaning and good heart.

I honour you for your sharp mind and the great deal of knowledge and experience that you have to offer. I want you to take care, and I want you to lighten up a bit. Life is to be enjoyed as well. So, I wish for you this: to start seeing the humanity that comes your way, instead of kicking it away.

Be kinder to yourself.
Best wishes,
Zebra

[wynderer]

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[wynderer]

from Eve Lorgen again -- highlited bold type describes most of the threads here

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The current trend of whistleblowers concerning the milab issue, relate that black op factions of the military abduct and interrogate the experiencer/contactee. (1,2abc,13) Much blame is cast upon the “military/shadow government”, while alluding to the perception that the grey aliens, and other ET’s are the good guys. For example, a quote from Niara Isley in the UFO digest article published in 2008, regarding her military abductions stated,

“Robert Dean who has often spoken and given his testimony of what he knows says, if these extraterrestrials were bent on destroying us and taking over our planet, they could have done so long ago with the incredibly advanced technology they possess.”(13)

My question is, “Did anyone ever consider the superior mind control capabilities of the aliens, so that an overt takeover of humanity is unnecessary?” All they have to do is distract us with other issues such as environmentalism, endless political arguments, constant relationship manipulations, religiosity, or compulsions to blame each other or our military industrial complex’s dark agenda as the enemy. Even though these are valid concerns, it doesn’t make sense, at least in cases where aliens are observed in collusion with the shadow government abductors. It has been my educated guess (via consults with milabs and independent studies) that the military industrial complex is heavily influenced, if not taken over, by the malevolent alien factions such as the Draco’s, reptilians and some greys, as well as the Illuminati bloodline families. Furthermore, there is ample evidence quoted from ancient archeology and history experts like Michael Cremo, Richard Dolan, Graham Hancock and Michael Tsarion that our ancient star gods were the same reptilians (i.e., Anunnaki) who have corrupted and manipulated Earths religions for thousands of years. They created the secret societies! Out of the frying pan and into the fire?

http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/milabs-a-pandoras-box/#more-527

[wynderer]

more from Eve on helping y'all to deal w/'fear porn' [i.e., "This makes me feel scared so it can't be true' ]

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One thing I am certain; wisdom and true insight cannot arise without the authentic presence of compassion. Enlightenment cannot occur if we sweep all the “negatives” under the carpet and pretend they don’t exist. Does this sound familiar to anybody out there who is keeping up with the Disclosure Movement? The whole truth is not likely to be disclosed by the government or other groups until an environment of safety and compassion is set. This is our job. Are we going to continue to be gatekeepers, or are we going to encourage and support one another in compassion so that the truth—whatever it is–can flourish?

http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/milabs-a-pandoras-box/#more-527

[delfine]

Hi wynderer
are you familiar with the work of Dolores Cannon? She claims that the ET´s almost uniformly are positive. As do Stephen Greer. What is you take on this? Are they consciously misleading people or are they being used by the ET´s?

[wynderer]

from Eve Lorgen again -- one of the milab abductees she's worked with -- the lady speaks for me...

her experience that they want amnesty --about 4-5 yrs ago, i became aware of a presence in my home -- looked around & saw /'my' Reptilian , in full battle dress -- i picked up that things weren't going so well for their side -- once again, he wanted me to join them -- i took this as a version of the Greys' , 'Help us! we're a dying race!' & wrote it off

but here's someone else saying the same thing

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All I have ever wanted is to serve The Most High in peace and love…this is my true nature and I will die a million deaths before I surrender it. I wish to bring peace between the human species and the serpent people. I feel that although there is a very bad bunch feeding on us at this time on Earth, they are themselves victims of a ‘higher’ force of malignancy. These beings are now making themselves known to those with psychic sight. They are called “The Shadows”. It is they that are the true and lasting enemies of humanity and all life on Earth and the other planets of our galaxy.

I think The Shadows created some the Serpent People as a vehicle for their consciousness and a medium through which to manifest their insane demonic/archontic (29) group mind. One could say, therefore, that the so-called Reptilians that are messing things up on this planet are themselves possessed.

The Shadows are the fallen ones that were imprisoned here in the far distant past. Our mother Earth is their prison cell and they have no love of her as we do. They fear the mind of Gaia as they fear the awakened human mind.

They are parasites in a cosmic and spiritual sense–soul eaters–for want of a better term.

Believe it or not, the reptilian/human Illuminists have asked for an amnesty. Don’t ask me why they’re asking me because I don’t know. They said that ‘The Great Shift’ can come smoothly (in a social sense) or roughly and implied that if they were granted an out of some kind they would ensure the change of power would happen with minimal disruption. I didn’t get the full details because I told them to piss off.

What I’m saying here; is they know that they’ve lost and they’re in damage control mode.

http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/milabs-a-pandoras-box/#more-527

[wynderer]

a little bump for this


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[wynderer]

from Eve Lorgen's website , a woman milab w/whom Eve talked --

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The following is a disclaimer by Lilu so that the readers will not quickly jump to conclusions or accusations in any way:

“I am aware that these reptilians and human controllers often lie to the milabs they are controlling. I do not necessarily believe what they say; in fact I am deeply suspicious of them and their motives. I am merely reporting what they tell me. These beings, their non-human vassals, the human reptilian hybrids, and human minions who work for them are completely evil (in my opinion) and must be resisted in every way. Evil in all its forms must be resisted.”

*Editors Note: Lilu passed away in April 2011 from cancer.

[wynderer]

Eve Lorgen, the interviewer of Maarit here -- some other info from these 2 women gave the title & start to Houman's Horus-Ra Archon thread, recently approved via thread post by your leader Bill Ryan

Humans here are just collateral damage in this war --except for those of you kept alive as a continuing food etc source -- the glass-domed cities of your future are likely because they learned you need some natual sun to live

hilited bit by me

Maarit:

'Reptiods are divided into interdimensional beings and some creatures that live under the surface of earth. These creatures live in caverns and have red eyes and dark brown skin. They eat meat too. Interdimensional Reptiods can shape shift and are predator-natured.

I have observed a conflict between the Draconians and some Reptiod party/faction. It’s about power. There was a military faction assisting–willingly or unwillingly—I’m not sure—and these specific Reptiod groups are trying to overcome the draconian leadership, because the Draconians are in charge of some nuclear military DUMBS too. If this Reptiod rebellion is proceeding I’m feeling worried because this would mean the total loss of control made by Dracionians. Reptiods would be allowed to mess around and even the shadow government would not be safe. If considering this as a chess game, the situation is not pleasant from the human point of view. But this is merely my speculation.

I saw the power struggle personally during an abduction. The draconian entity came to stop the Reptiods and prevented them from using me somehow. This has happened two times. So I guess I have something to offer to these Draconians and shadow government and that’s why they keep an eye on me.

The Reptiods have expressed very violent activities towards me and some other abductees I have seen on the UFO like beating, etc. I believe they are having a hard time trying to suppress their basic need to kill. And that’s why some abductees are reporting very disturbing violent abductions and treatment.

The degeneration of personality traits and grappling for power applies to other species as well. By this degeneration I mean the need to produce unnecessary suffering while enjoying it.'

http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/interview-with-maarit-a-scandinavian-milab/#more-534

[wynderer]

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[wynderer]

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[wynderer]

just connected a dot for myself while watching below video -- the mass gatherings & the part of the control panel i saw on the Reptilian's ship -- am emissary of his Draconian lord, hence his courtesy to me

that part on the control panel that i instantly knew was used to mind control &/or kill large groups of Humans --easier targets for remote weapons if all in one place

perhaps the below attitude is a better one for all Humans to have right now

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[wynderer]

& remember the Seventh Wave is on the way...

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[wynderer]

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