Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[onawah]

I think everyone will want to hear this interview with Brooks Agnew, which is fascinating on many levels.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1383-The-Continuing-Search-For-The-Truth&p=511397#post511397

[Unified Serenity]

I think everyone will want to hear this interview with Brooks Agnew, which is fascinating on many levels.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1383-The-Continuing-Search-For-The-Truth&p=511397#post511397

Can you give a hint about what it's about?

[Khaleesi]

The next caller asked Drake, "I know what shell-shock is and I'm not looking for a violent revolution in America....What gives?"

Drake said the good guys of the military may knock on your door just to check on you -- not to extract you. "Telling the good guys from the bad guys is simple." Those who extract people from their homes "ain't the good guys. The good guys are not going to do that." You can also tell, he said, from the insignia they are wearing. I believe he said there should be stars and stripes on their insignia (sorry, missed exactly how he said that).



So I have to open my door and look at their insignia and give them a chance to 'extract' me before I know if they are good or bad? He's kidding, right?

so I open the door, see the wrong insignia and close the door. The bad guys will go away if I close the door, right?

http://videosift.com/video/Plumber-Maam?fromdupe=Saturday-Night-Live-Land-Shark

[9eagle9]

When I got this excited about my Legolas full action figure my ex husband took it away from me.

Excited as I was I had to find out if it was anatomically correct.

(Gimli isn't either by the way)

[NancyV]

I want to believe Drake is telling the truth. I however, am skeptical. We have seen no signs of anything on MSM except for St Louis military build up. Which could be anything. My biggest problem with him is his use of incorrect grammar while speaking. It dosn't add up. I am troubled by the fact that these people could go this far with a story if it is not true. I am still on the fence and feel hopeful that this thing could happen For everyone sake Somethin Has To Happen. I am getting to the point of extreme frustration with the general public for not taking action and for our leaders to not take action. There is some piece of the puzzle we do not know some kind of threat that maybe very hard to stop something there holding over the heads of most nations. I just wonder what it is?

People in the government can not be this stupid to not see the soft kill, food medicine just about everything soft kills us.

I have been feeling very alone latley my girlfriend won't listen to anything I say. She tells me I am stupid to listen and monitor, and post alternative media. People just do not want to look at it. I think its calld Stockholme Syndrome.

After a year and a half on this forum I am growing in frustration. I try to post things that will awaken people. I have No Idea if it makes a difference. I need to do more possibly hand out dvd's everyday to people. Something more...............................

Frustrated Ref :wizard:
I sure understand how you feel about Drake talking like a good ole boy hillbilly. Until I married my genius IQ husband who IS a hillbilly from West Virginia I was pretty much a snob. Ok, I'll be very honest here... I'm still somewhat of a snob when it comes horrible spelling, incorrect grammar and the use of "ain't, "cain't", "it don't matter nohow" and all the other colorful things these hillbilly's and okies love to say! But in the 17 years I've lived with my husband I've come to appreciate the irony of someone like me marrying someone like him. He knows perfectly well how to use correct English but he hearkens (or harkens, take your pick) back to his WV roots and the language used by his Irish coal miner and horse thief ancestors. I know God/Source has a great sense of humor putting me with him, so I can do no less than be appropriately amused. It is the perfect judgment for a spelling and grammar nazi (as my husband calls me) to fall in love with a hillbilly!

What I do find to be deliciously entertaining is how for so many years I knew so many new age types who didn't like or respect hillbilly's and okies, who HATED country music and who detest religions...except for the new age substitutes which are now religions in and of themselves. Now a large group of these types of people are listening to these good old boy militia, former military types, many of whom are quite religious in a bible thumping sort of way. Heck, I hated country music too and when my husband suggested we shop at Wal Mart for certain things, I was horrified! LOL... Now I see what an idiot I was and I am grateful for coming to see the beauty of country music (well, some of it), for being able to shop at Wal Mart occasionally.. and for coming to understand that correct grammar is not a demonstration of intelligence, only of intellectuality. Some highly intellectual people are also intelligent and wise, although many are shallow and ignorant.

As far as believing these people could get so detailed and sound so convincing if this story was a lie...people are capable of anything, absolutely anything. We humans are so easily fooled and we have an innate desire to trust others. It is one of our biggest weaknesses. I would love to trust Drake and the plan. It sounds like fun (that is if you like bloody chaos with people dying and the bad guys getting extinguished in the central sun by the ET's).

If you listen to all the details Drake has put out over the past couple of months and you see all the missed dates, the changes in his statements and the changes in the "plan", you have to come to the conclusion that the man is a liar or an idiot. All it takes is logic AND honesty. If someone has invested their BELIEFS in Drake, then they most often will be neither logical nor honest. The group supporting this "plan" have now taken on the trappings of a religion, a cult. Cultists will most often not listen to anyone who attempts to refute their beliefs no matter how logical their arguments are.

If you give up trying to change people you will also get rid of most of your frustration. I say what I want with no regard to the results. If someone wants to hear what I say, great. What they think of what I say, or what they think of ME is not my business. They are entitled to their opinions. I have no stresses because I can enjoy the show without being attached to results. I have no goals to change anyone in any way. They are free and sovereign beings whether they know it yet or not. If I thought everyone else should have my opinions, or talk like me, it would be the height of arrogance. It actually takes great compassion to allow others to be who they are. I also allow myself to be who I am...and that's a rather feisty, contrarian type who likes to play games occasionally.

PS to Avocadess: Thanks, but I'm not disturbed by the hostile posts talking about killing people, extinguishing their souls, fomenting revolution, getting your guns ready to kill your countrymen. I can handle it! :)

[Cartomancer]

The next caller asked Drake, "I know what shell-shock is and I'm not looking for a violent revolution in America....What gives?"

Drake said the good guys of the military may knock on your door just to check on you -- not to extract you. "Telling the good guys from the bad guys is simple." Those who extract people from their homes "ain't the good guys. The good guys are not going to do that." You can also tell, he said, from the insignia they are wearing. I believe he said there should be stars and stripes on their insignia (sorry, missed exactly how he said that).



So I have to open my door and look at their insignia and give them a chance to 'extract' me before I know if they are good or bad? He's kidding, right?

so I open the door, see the wrong insignia and close the door. The bad guys will go away if I close the door, right?

http://videosift.com/video/Plumber-Maam?fromdupe=Saturday-Night-Live-Land-Shark

I think we should all go check our mailboxes to see if there is a red or blue dot on them. Remember that rumor? The way the mood of the country is going right now I pity any uniformed storm troopers who attempt to go door to door in this manner. 80 million registered gun owners.

[9eagle9]

Yay! I have a notification from Publishers Clearing house in my mailbox that says I might have won five millions dollars!

On the other side of the coin I'm probably related to Nancy's husband.

[foreverfan]

Breaking from Drake Chat.

HUGE protest in Mexico, major news blackout!!!

[edit]

http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2012/06/24/the-largest-public-protest-is-happening-right-now-in-mexico-total-media-black-out/

Coming to a Country Near You.

[Ishtar]

Drake said at the beginning of his broadcast that the Bank of International Settlements (BISS) has had to close due to Neil Keenan's lien. Well, the Japanese stock market, the Nikkei, is due to open in just over one hour. The banks cannot trade with each other without the BISS. So we will know then if Drake was speaking the truth. If the BISS hasn't had to close, which I strongly suspect will be the case, will Drake's followers then finally see what sort of man they're supporting?

[trenairio]

Okay and Drake's statements are simply a recycling of what Tim Turner and many other have predicted. Though a double dip recession is very possible. Officials have stated that the recession ended in 2009, and that there has been a steady sagnation for a while (relatively flat 'growth'). We need to start saving and stop relying on credit. And some decent know-how surivival skills and bacup plans for a financial collapse.

[ThePythonicCow]

... will Drake's followers then finally see what sort of man they're supporting?
no :)

[Ishtar]

In which case, Paul, I may just have to lift my self-imposed ban on using the "L" word and Drake in the same sentence. :roll:

[onawah]

This interview covers many topics such as HAARP, Fukushima, his new book "Alienated Nation" that discusses the Sovereignty of the United States and declaring a constitutional convention, the STUXNET virus, the Horizon Project, among other topics.

Dr. Agnew is an author of more than a 100 articles and papers on subjects ranging from radiation spectroscopy to transdimensional movement through spacetime and theories regarding fields of advanced mathematics and physics. Dr. Agnew was a featured scientist in the 1997 Wendy Robbins documentary on HAARP. He holds multiple patents in chemistry and also teaches mathematics at Gaston College in North Carolina.

Dr. Agnew has conducted over 30 years of combined research in advanced spectroscopy and providing invaluable contributions to several research organizations. He is currently heading up plans for a North Pole expedition this July for scientific research.

Dr. Agnew has co-authored two landmark publications on the creation of the earth, The Ark of Millions of Years, Volumes One and Two."


I think everyone will want to hear this interview with Brooks Agnew, which is fascinating on many levels.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1383-The-Continuing-Search-For-The-Truth&p=511397#post511397

Can you give a hint about what it's about?

[SilentFeathers]

... will Drake's followers then finally see what sort of man they're supporting?
no :)

Sadly I feel the same way, after over 2 months and they still won't allow themselves to at least consider some of the other possibilities or see one single thing from more than one angle, I'd say that the spell has taken it's toll for many and they are right where they were intended to be...

[gripreaper]

From Lady Dragon's website:

About LadyDragon

Internationally known over 175 countries as the woman expert of the industry because of LadyDragon in depth knowledge on all the facets of the industry which include the PC, the Video and the Wireless. Now with the new Xbox 360 that just came out and the PlayStation 3 coming to the market to choose from plus with the PC upgrading all the time and adding more hardware and accessories to play with not counting that everything is moving to become wireless people all over the world relies on her expertise in order to get the true facts and information that they need for their purchases or their knowledge.

Since now everything or anyone that is successful will become or be in a game sooner or later LadyDragon brings you powerful interviews like the one with Dalene Kurtis and Craig Lieberman from the Fast and Furious movie and the 2 exclusives with Joanie Laurer formerly know as Chyna from the WWF ( World Wrestling Federation).

Plus special report like being at the Playboy Mansion when Playboy unveiled their new video game

LadyDragon takes great pride in discovering new products, companies and people that are unknown and giving them a chance to be heard like the company Strategy First then was not known but now Strategy First is known as one of the best company in the world who develops strategy games.

http://www.ladydragon.com/news2012/17061201.html

The bold emphasis is mine.

I had no ides Lady Dragon has such a fantastic resume! She is the EXPERT on video games, which are 90% all about killing and warfare. And she has been to the Playboy mansion too!

How did I miss that? Why would I question that she is the liaison for Cobra and the Pleiadians who are sprinkling Stardust 2 on the cabal to render their nervous systems inoperable and kill them?

Silly me...

[SilentFeathers]

I had no ides Lady Dragon has such a fantastic resume! She is the EXPERT on video games, which are 90% all about killing and warfare. And she has been to the Playboy mansion too!

How did I miss that? Why would I question that she is the liaison for Cobra and the Pleiadians who are sprinkling Stardust 2 on the cabal to render their nervous systems inoperable and kill them?

Silly me...

It also amazes me that the most devoted believers and followers have no desire or ambition to investigate these characters and just accept them as legit, or 100% telling the truth. They dismiss any solid findings of questionable behavior or actions as negative reporting etc....

Very "cult" like.....

They won't believe for a second anything that makes a little common sense but will swallow outrageous claims that even sci-fi Hollywood hasn't even thought up yet.......hmmm...

[SilentFeathers]

I've made up my mind to what this all is.....see ya next Sunday, same bat time, same bat thread!

I'm done here again for a while

PS: I'll be back next sunday to chime in some more of my "negativity" :)

[promezeus]

Cobra said rather profoundly, "Actually the hostages (earth humans) have been programmed to the point where many of them don't want to be liberated. That is quite a complicated problem, and we are trying to resolve this right now. "

It’s called Stockholm Syndrome, and I think it explains most of the unreasonably negative posts here by the same people, as well as their derisive laughter which actually reveals even deeper, neurotic programmming. These posters are scared to death to open themselves to the possibilities because unconsciously, they think they may have something to lose. They have spent their life selling their souls to the same system and cabal that the ‘plan’ wants to eliminate. They thought they had already negotiated a good faustian bargain a long time ago, and this uncertainty or even unraveling was just not part of the bargain.
In order to keep from seeing this side of themselves, they must clamor for others to join them in their self-righteousness. It’s all about saving themselves and their ego. What they call personal sovereignty, I would call deep denial. They know how to play the game.... the faustian game. These 3d aligned folks may get to continue their journey on another 3d planet.

[Unified Serenity]

Listen at 55:55 to what Brooks Agnew says, and see the difference in Drake and Brooks ideas. They are similar sounding in the constitutional convention. 40 states have filed paperwork. We seem to be close to fixing the mess we are in.

_lb9_s-AWGQ

[marique3652]

Thanks for the link, Peace.

Here's an extract that struck me.

BACK TO THE HEGELIAN DIALECTIC



It’s very simple to understand the propaganda mechanism. Have two diametrically opposed sides of an argument, argue, then when the subjects of the propaganda are frustrated enough with the dialogue, offer the solution to the problem. Therein lies the performances being put forward by members of the “Light Workers” and “Patriot” Movements.

Who is driving the dialectic? Major media channels. It would seem that the fantasy world being purported by the unwitting dupes within the Light Worker/Patriot movement community have served their purpose well for those in charge of the money supply and world governance.

We have not been able to find out who has been propagating the origins of the myths surrounding those folks doing the “channeling”, as it were, by what it appears quite succinctly, is that there is a mass delusion taking place, aided by the Internet using sympathetic websites, and the use of You Tube videos. This delusion from all appearances is one of the largest we’ve ever witnessed.

I so agree with you Ishtar. I too believe there is a mass delusion being perpetrated, have felt that all along, and have taken a lot of floggings on many sites due to my feeling that all is not at all what it is being presented as. Nothing new under the sun really though. The good guys vs the bad guys scenario is being pushed on us, and everyone is choosing sides, which is just what is desired by those manipulating the masses. While everyone is arguing who are the "good guys" and who are the evil archenemies and what is to be done about it all, a third variable is working behind the scenes laughing their butts off at how easy it is to manipulate us.

I feel in my bones that something is building to a crescendo, not something wonderful and life changing such as mass ascention 2012, but rather something that we are NOT going to like and is not going to be at all beneficial. Not sure who or what is going to be doing that something insidious in nature, I just have this feeling in the pit of my stomach that we are being cleverly hurded in a direction which at a certain point we are going to be very disillusioned and wondering how on earth we could have been lead so skillfully to the point of no return with a very bad outcome for humanity.

Don't want to sound "doom and gloomish" here, but when everyone talks about how grand things are going to be soon (any day now as the GLF channelers say and have been saying for the past 30 years or so), how we are all going to ascend to the 5th dimension, yadda, yadda, yadda, with wonderful space bretheren leading us to a wondrous new existence, I do not see that as what is going to happen. Wish it was, but my intuition tells me that simply is not going to happen, it is all smoke and mirrors. So when GLF channelers like Sheldan Nidle and other channelers of Pleiedians, and chanellers of a host of off planet species tell us we must go into their ascention chambers or go upon their ships to be relocated to another planet because we will be unable to survive earth changes coming up "soon", or guided underground to a wonderful place with all loving all knowing inner earth beings who simply addore us and just want us to be eternally happy, I will NOT be going.

I will take my chances staying with mother earth on the surface and will not be aided to leave my three D body in some alien's chamber who says it is for my own good, and if I die in the process oh well, been there done that twice (I have had two NDEs under my belt now where I was clinically dead and medically revived). Where ever it was that I "went" was glorious and quite frankly I did not want to come "back". That is the ascention that I see for myself in the future, and that is ok by me.

[marique3652]

LOL! Sorry I cannot help but laugh at your comment Gripreaper, in a happy glad you said it sort of way....too funny, love it!

[LarryC]

I had no ides Lady Dragon has such a fantastic resume! She is the EXPERT on video games, which are 90% all about killing and warfare. And she has been to the Playboy mansion too!

How did I miss that? Why would I question that she is the liaison for Cobra and the Pleiadians who are sprinkling Stardust 2 on the cabal to render their nervous systems inoperable and kill them?

Silly me...

It also amazes me that the most devoted believers and followers have no desire or ambition to investigate these characters and just accept them as legit, or 100% telling the truth. They dismiss any solid findings of questionable behavior or actions as negative reporting etc....

Very "cult" like.....

They won't believe for a second anything that makes a little common sense but will swallow outrageous claims that even sci-fi Hollywood hasn't even thought up yet.......hmmm...

Who exactly are these cultlike "devoted believers and followers?" It's easy to be simplistic and label people you don't agree with. Calling something a cult has also become fashionable. Anything can be like a cult -a nation, religion, belief system, forum, etc. I'm a member of the Facebook page where Drake sometimes posts, and there's plenty of doubting and disagreements there. I see very little unquestioning belief or obedience.

I'm open to what people like Drake, Cobra, David Wilcock and so forth are saying, but I certainly don't see myself as a follower. In fact, people who use labels like this are often "followers" themselves -of their own egotism and simplistic thinking.

To me, mass arrests and the overthrow of the cabal is a possibility, not something I "believe" in -though I can't speak for how others feel, of course.

The naysayers in this thread remind me a lot of atheists who can't stop talking about religion. They are just as obsessed with God as those they oppose, and they enjoy looking down on those they see as naive and less intelligent.

Some of you would rather be right than free -and if we really do create our own realities, you may get your wish!

[Unified Serenity]

This guy, Brooks Agnew scares me.............

I like him!

[gripreaper]

This guy, Brooks Agnew scares me.............

I like him!

OK US, I'm going to go listen to it, but it better not be about an Article 5 Convention, although that is the only remedy our forefathers put into the Constitution to remedy this situation. This "posits" an alert and involved electorate though, and that is not what we have. I'm scared sh1tless of the Article 5 Convention with the awareness of the electorate we have now.

[Unified Serenity]

No, it's a limited convention. You'll understand what he is proposing, it's simple and would be effective I think. I'm getting all goose bumpy. LOL

[Hervé]

[...]

... it better not be about an Article 5 Convention, although that is the only remedy our forefathers put into the Constitution to remedy this situation. This "posits" an alert and involved electorate though, and that is not what we have. I'm scared sh1tless of the Article 5 Convention with the awareness of the electorate we have now.

Well, it is... but in a more structured way than the way Drake puts it... which might even be an attempt by the latter to derail what the former is doing.

Brooks Agnew knows what he talking about, Drake doesn't as he is being fed infos/disinfos.

[aranuk]

I had no ides Lady Dragon has such a fantastic resume! She is the EXPERT on video games, which are 90% all about killing and warfare. And she has been to the Playboy mansion too!

How did I miss that? Why would I question that she is the liaison for Cobra and the Pleiadians who are sprinkling Stardust 2 on the cabal to render their nervous systems inoperable and kill them?

Silly me...

It also amazes me that the most devoted believers and followers have no desire or ambition to investigate these characters and just accept them as legit, or 100% telling the truth. They dismiss any solid findings of questionable behavior or actions as negative reporting etc....

Very "cult" like.....

They won't believe for a second anything that makes a little common sense but will swallow outrageous claims that even sci-fi Hollywood hasn't even thought up yet.......hmmm...

Who exactly are these cultlike "devoted believers and followers?" It's easy to be simplistic and label people you don't agree with. Calling something a cult has also become fashionable. Anything can be like a cult -a nation, religion, belief system, forum, etc. I'm a member of the Facebook page where Drake sometimes posts, and there's plenty of doubting and disagreements there. I see very little unquestioning belief or obedience.

I'm open to what people like Drake, Cobra, David Wilcock and so forth are saying, but I certainly don't see myself as a follower. In fact, people who use labels like this are often "followers" themselves -of their own egotism and simplistic thinking.

To me, mass arrests and the overthrow of the cabal is a possibility, not something I "believe" in -though I can't speak for how others feel, of course.

The naysayers in this thread remind me a lot of atheists who can't stop talking about religion. They are just as obsessed with God as those they oppose, and they enjoy looking down on those they see as naive and less intelligent.

Some of you would rather be right than free -and if we really do create our own realities, you may get your wish!

Hear hear


Stan

[marique3652]

Cobra said rather profoundly, "Actually the hostages (earth humans) have been programmed to the point where many of them don't want to be liberated. That is quite a complicated problem, and we are trying to resolve this right now. "

It’s called Stockholm Syndrome, and I think it explains most of the unreasonably negative posts here by the same people, as well as their derisive laughter which actually reveals even deeper, neurotic programmming. These posters are scared to death to open themselves to the possibilities because unconsciously, they think they may have something to lose. They have spent their life selling their souls to the same system and cabal that the ‘plan’ wants to eliminate. They thought they had already negotiated a good faustian bargain a long time ago, and this uncertainty or even unraveling was just not part of the bargain.
In order to keep from seeing this side of themselves, they must clamor for others to join them in their self-righteousness. It’s all about saving themselves and their ego. What they call personal sovereignty, I would call deep denial. They know how to play the game.... the faustian game. These 3d aligned folks may get to continue their journey on another 3d planet.

So Prometheus you are making a judgement call that if someone thinks differently than you about Cobra or Drake or anyone similar promoting the "lets take the cabal down" scenario and thinks that these characters are unreliable and may be full of crap, that all those "detractors" are under the Stockholm Syndrome and are brainwashed to the point where you call them neurotically programmed? Humm interesting....I think that what you have said here smacks of arrogance and ego actually just like you accuse the detractors of. So someone wants to have facts based verifiable information that is not based on blind faith and not information from anonymous persons on the internet, that makes them neurotic in your book or programmed? I don't think so, in my humble opinion. Also last time I checked I still have a physical body just like you do so to poke fun at someone and call them 3D folk with disgust in your tone is quite the kettle calling the pot black don't you think? We ARE in the 3D world and like it or not that is what we are, 3D earth beings. Maybe you would like us to be something other than that but that is not currently the case. So maybe it would be nice for you to not go around saying condescending crap to those who simply do not buy into all the things that you believe or things that you feel we all should believe.

Actually your arguments here are ad hominem in nature and I am surprised how much I see this type of argument in the new age sites and community recently. Really odd that people who espouse love and light and enlightenment can get pretty nasty when a difference of viewpoint comes up. How odd indeed.

Abusive ad hominem (also called personal abuse or personal attacks) usually involves insulting or belittling one's opponent in order to attack his claim or invalidate his argument, but can also involve pointing out percieved character flaws or actions that are irrelevant to the opponent's argument (i.e., calling people 3D aligned with insulting intonation, or calling people programmed neurotics or self-righteous or accusing people of being in deep denial just because they do not follow the same thoughlines as you do or your alleged heros do.) This is logically fallacious because it relates to the opponent's personal character, which has nothing to do with the logical merit of the opponent's argument or disagreement with your beliefs. Insulting people and calling people negative names does not in the least prove that Drake, Cobra, and all of the leading characters talking about taking down the cabal are at all genuine, or have altruistic motives, no proof whatsoever. Your ad hominem attacks however do reflect on your character, and in no way bolsters anything else. Just my humble opinion. I am sorry that you feel you have to go on the attack. I certainly do not attack people, I just raise questions about belief systems and behaviors. I am not comfortable with passing blanket judgement on others, we each are entitled to our own feelings and opinions, and I am not too thrilled with yours but I respect your right to think and feel the way you do. I just question whether it is a kind way to deal with people. I believe that all persons should treat each other with respect no matter WHAT a person believes. I hope you do not find fault with that statement, but if you do that is your right.

[SilentFeathers]

The naysayers in this thread remind me a lot of atheists who can't stop talking about religion. They are just as obsessed with God as those they oppose, and they enjoy looking down on those they see as naive and less intelligent.



Its wrong to call this "cult" like but perfectly okay to what you said above? (which is your right though just as much as mine to say what I think and feel too).

This "negativity" is coming on strong from both sides of the fence so to speak on this subject, another thing about this that disturbs me.

This whole subject matter breeds friction and division etc etc big time

[Maunagarjana]

Hey folks,

This thread is now 110 pages long.

Could any of you explain why?

From what I can tell, it's because people who don't support any of this want to mock those who do and express their exasperation. Most of the posts in this thread are by naysayers who seem to post compulsively. Okay, we get it, you don't agree. No, really.....we've got it.

[SilentFeathers]

Hey folks,

This thread is now 110 pages long.

Could any of you explain why?

From what I can tell, it's because people who don't support any of this want to mock those who do and express their exasperation. Most of the posts in this thread are by naysayers who seem to post compulsively. Okay, we get it, you don't agree. No, really.....we've got it.

Yeap, I'm guilty.....I'm just as obsessed with not believing this stuff as some of those are that are believing it, hence; why I'm weaning myself away from this to some extent.....it's addicting for sure regardless what side the fence your on, for some of us anyways.

[ThePythonicCow]

Breaking from Drake Chat.

HUGE protest in Mexico, major news blackout!!!

[edit]

http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2012/06/24/the-largest-public-protest-is-happening-right-now-in-mexico-total-media-black-out/
That looks to be a link to an article about censorship, with the only mention I see of any action in Mexico being in the title "The Largest Public Protest Is Happening Right Now In Mexico ~ Total Media Black Out".

There is no blackout on this forum. I just spend a half hour scanning my various favorite news sources ... found exactly zero mention or details of this action, outside the above. If anyone knows anything ... spill the beans :).

[Wind]

I wonder that when people will wake up. I stopped following David Wilcock after he said that there cannot be a New Golden Age without mass arrests. That sounds ridiculous, just think about it. Judgment doesn't happen that way, only we condemn ourselves.

Instead listen to people like Dolores Cannon. There will be a new wonderful world very soon and it is not up to us manifest it. You may not believe in it, because this world looks like a mess right now, but it doesn't matter. It will happen anyway, the universe will not wait anymore. Just have hope, it's all that we've got. :)

[9eagle9]

I'ts easy to say that the naysayers are followers themselves but you don't see them in other threads banging the drums of gurus, and whistleblowers and fiercely defending every babbling tell they tell. You may see expressed inspiration, anecdotes, agreements, debate over the virtues or vices of the same people but you don't see this adamant emotionally driven (I feel, exciting, etc) but adherence based on nothing but a bunch of stories that make people feel good and excited like they are in a movie.

Pretty evidential if one takes a quick look around who is an adherent and who knows how to use their own discernment and experience.







I had no ides Lady Dragon has such a fantastic resume! She is the EXPERT on video games, which are 90% all about killing and warfare. And she has been to the Playboy mansion too!

How did I miss that? Why would I question that she is the liaison for Cobra and the Pleiadians who are sprinkling Stardust 2 on the cabal to render their nervous systems inoperable and kill them?

Silly me...

It also amazes me that the most devoted believers and followers have no desire or ambition to investigate these characters and just accept them as legit, or 100% telling the truth. They dismiss any solid findings of questionable behavior or actions as negative reporting etc....

Very "cult" like.....

They won't believe for a second anything that makes a little common sense but will swallow outrageous claims that even sci-fi Hollywood hasn't even thought up yet.......hmmm...

Who exactly are these cultlike "devoted believers and followers?" It's easy to be simplistic and label people you don't agree with. Calling something a cult has also become fashionable. Anything can be like a cult -a nation, religion, belief system, forum, etc. I'm a member of the Facebook page where Drake sometimes posts, and there's plenty of doubting and disagreements there. I see very little unquestioning belief or obedience.

I'm open to what people like Drake, Cobra, David Wilcock and so forth are saying, but I certainly don't see myself as a follower. In fact, people who use labels like this are often "followers" themselves -of their own egotism and simplistic thinking.

To me, mass arrests and the overthrow of the cabal is a possibility, not something I "believe" in -though I can't speak for how others feel, of course.

The naysayers in this thread remind me a lot of atheists who can't stop talking about religion. They are just as obsessed with God as those they oppose, and they enjoy looking down on those they see as naive and less intelligent.

Some of you would rather be right than free -and if we really do create our own realities, you may get your wish!

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Hey folks,

This thread is now 110 pages long.

Could any of you explain why?

From what I can tell, it's because people who don't support any of this want to mock those who do and express their exasperation. Most of the posts in this thread are by naysayers who seem to post compulsively. Okay, we get it, you don't agree. No, really.....we've got it.

I think some people just can't believe what they are seeing. And then can't believe that they are still seeing it two months later.

[Sebastion]

Whiskey, your brand of humor is just awesome......please keep it up!





Hey folks,

This thread is now 110 pages long.

Could any of you explain why?

From what I can tell, it's because people who don't support any of this want to mock those who do and express their exasperation. Most of the posts in this thread are by naysayers who seem to post compulsively. Okay, we get it, you don't agree. No, really.....we've got it.

I think some people just can't believe what they are seeing. And then can't believe that they are still seeing it two months later.

[Referee]

I want to believe Drake is telling the truth. I however, am skeptical. We have seen no signs of anything on MSM except for St Louis military build up. Which could be anything. My biggest problem with him is his use of incorrect grammar while speaking. It dosn't add up. I am troubled by the fact that these people could go this far with a story if it is not true. I am still on the fence and feel hopeful that this thing could happen For everyone sake Somethin Has To Happen. I am getting to the point of extreme frustration with the general public for not taking action and for our leaders to not take action. There is some piece of the puzzle we do not know some kind of threat that maybe very hard to stop something there holding over the heads of most nations. I just wonder what it is?

People in the government can not be this stupid to not see the soft kill, food medicine just about everything soft kills us.

I have been feeling very alone latley my girlfriend won't listen to anything I say. She tells me I am stupid to listen and monitor, and post alternative media. People just do not want to look at it. I think its calld Stockholme Syndrome.

After a year and a half on this forum I am growing in frustration. I try to post things that will awaken people. I have No Idea if it makes a difference. I need to do more possibly hand out dvd's everyday to people. Something more...............................

Frustrated Ref :wizard:
I sure understand how you feel about Drake talking like a good ole boy hillbilly. Until I married my genius IQ husband who IS a hillbilly from West Virginia I was pretty much a snob. Ok, I'll be very honest here... I'm still somewhat of a snob when it comes horrible spelling, incorrect grammar and the use of "ain't, "cain't", "it don't matter nohow" and all the other colorful things these hillbilly's and okies love to say! But in the 17 years I've lived with my husband I've come to appreciate the irony of someone like me marrying someone like him. He knows perfectly well how to use correct English but he hearkens (or harkens, take your pick) back to his WV roots and the language used by his Irish coal miner and horse thief ancestors. I know God/Source has a great sense of humor putting me with him, so I can do no less than be appropriately amused. It is the perfect judgment for a spelling and grammar nazi (as my husband calls me) to fall in love with a hillbilly!

What I do find to be deliciously entertaining is how for so many years I knew so many new age types who didn't like or respect hillbilly's and okies, who HATED country music and who detest religions...except for the new age substitutes which are now religions in and of themselves. Now a large group of these types of people are listening to these good old boy militia, former military types, many of whom are quite religious in a bible thumping sort of way. Heck, I hated country music too and when my husband suggested we shop at Wal Mart for certain things, I was horrified! LOL... Now I see what an idiot I was and I am grateful for coming to see the beauty of country music (well, some of it), for being able to shop at Wal Mart occasionally.. and for coming to understand that correct grammar is not a demonstration of intelligence, only of intellectuality. Some highly intellectual people are also intelligent and wise, although many are shallow and ignorant.

As far as believing these people could get so detailed and sound so convincing if this story was a lie...people are capable of anything, absolutely anything. We humans are so easily fooled and we have an innate desire to trust others. It is one of our biggest weaknesses. I would love to trust Drake and the plan. It sounds like fun (that is if you like bloody chaos with people dying and the bad guys getting extinguished in the central sun by the ET's).

If you listen to all the details Drake has put out over the past couple of months and you see all the missed dates, the changes in his statements and the changes in the "plan", you have to come to the conclusion that the man is a liar or an idiot. All it takes is logic AND honesty. If someone has invested their BELIEFS in Drake, then they most often will be neither logical nor honest. The group supporting this "plan" have now taken on the trappings of a religion, a cult. Cultists will most often not listen to anyone who attempts to refute their beliefs no matter how logical their arguments are.

If you give up trying to change people you will also get rid of most of your frustration. I say what I want with no regard to the results. If someone wants to hear what I say, great. What they think of what I say, or what they think of ME is not my business. They are entitled to their opinions. I have no stresses because I can enjoy the show without being attached to results. I have no goals to change anyone in any way. They are free and sovereign beings whether they know it yet or not. If I thought everyone else should have my opinions, or talk like me, it would be the height of arrogance. It actually takes great compassion to allow others to be who they are. I also allow myself to be who I am...and that's a rather feisty, contrarian type who likes to play games occasionally.

PS to Avocadess: Thanks, but I'm not disturbed by the hostile posts talking about killing people, extinguishing their souls, fomenting revolution, getting your guns ready to kill your countrymen. I can handle it! :)

Do not get me wrong here I am from KY I understand about hillbilly speak. However serving for quite a while changes people and the way they speak. I do not know his full background but...

Thanks for your comments.

Giving up on trying to change people's opinion is like giving into them. IMO It is of upmost importance to awaken as many people you can as fast as possible.

Kind Regards,

Ref

[SilentFeathers]

I think some people just can't believe what they are seeing. And then can't believe that they are still seeing it two months later.

That's me for sure....it's completely boggled my mind to say the least.....I'll catch hell for saying this but it's insanity in some way shape and form, I have no doubt of this. I've tried for two months now to see sanity in this but can only see MOSTLY insanity.

[Kimberley]

Breaking from Drake Chat.

HUGE protest in Mexico, major news blackout!!!


All you have to do is google "protests in Mexico"

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=protest+in+Mexico&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Much love to us all!!! :grouphug:

Much love to us all, always in all ways!

[UnrealDreams]

They protest everything in Mexico. They protested furiously when certain states changed their laws regarding immigration. They are currently protesting the g20 summit and the media manipulation of the presidential elections. I have many Mexican friends in the States. They are hard working people who understand that if they don't stand up for their rights, they will lose them.

Democracy....use it or lose it.

[UnrealDreams]

How many people who are supporting Drake have called your congressman and demanded NDAA and Patriot Act be repealed?

How many have called your congressman and demanded that the bankers be held responsible for the mess they have made, the laws they have broken?

Don't you think if we are a nation of laws, this would be the proper step to take, rather than an illegal military action?

The arrest of criminals is a law enforcement issue, not a military issue.

Put down the mouse, put down the iphone and call your representantives and tell them what you want.

Democracy....use it or lose it.

[ThePythonicCow]

All you have to do is google "protests in Mexico"
That produces the following: Mexico front-runner draws crowds, protests (http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/24/2866169/mexico-front-runner-draws-crowds.html), which begins:




With a promise to "leave behind the practices of the old politics," Mexican presidential front-runner Enrique Pena Nieto held his first and only mass rally in Mexico City, the nation's capital, on Sunday, one week ahead of the July 1 presidential elections.

Pena Nieto sought to break with the reputation of his Institutional Revolutionary Party, known as the PRI, as the sclerotic, antiquated party that governed Mexico for 71 uninterrupted years, until it lost the 2000 elections.

Sounds to me like a political rally prior to an election. So ?

[9eagle9]

Better we have a couple of bored, vapidly empty hausfraus (and their unsubstantiated poster boys) who think they are playing some part in an action thriller movie planning my destiny than confront we may have Stockholm Syndrome.

Between the two i'd take the Stockholm, at least I'd have an interesting syndrome than be vapidly empty for no apparent reason.

[applecrusher1992]

Looks like Fulford put in a new deadline for us in the fall. Isn't that just great!!!!!!:rolleyes:

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/


Hello,
A lot of people have been asking why the arrests do not take place. The answer is that the cabalists are surrounded by about 30,000 highly paid armed guards. Also, they control the US military and its nuclear arsenal. They have been trying to start WW3. It means we have a hostage situation and that requires patience as we slowly cut them off from their money.
That is the bad news.
The good news is that apart from the US and Europe, most of the rest of the world has already freed itself from their rule. Last week they promised $513 billion to help poor people and the environment. A few years ago that $513 billion would have been handed over, no questions asked, to the cabal.
We do not know when the final liberation of the US and Europe will take place but we are hoping for some good news in the autumn. In the meantime, keep to the moral high ground and do not give them any excuse to bully you. Then, if they do bully you, you can charge them with a crime. Good luck and rest assured that most of the rest of your long life you will be free.

[aranuk]

So what have we got here? We have a powerful Elite who control Banking, the Military Industrial complex. They control most politicians and governments, hence everything on the planet. They invade far away countries, start wars and murder men, women and children. We are slaves to these people who are less than 1% of the population.
What can we do to get them out of power? Voting them out doesn't work as they appoint the candidates.
Protesting doesn't budge them one way or another. Two million people demonstrated in London telling Blair No War. He went.
I would say there is little hope of changing towards anything worthwhile in Britain. We don't have guns.
Whilst the United States being the most powerful country in the world, both technologically, financially and military, the citizens at least have the right to own guns. This rule was written into the Constitution at the time when the Army had only guns and canons. This law evened the playing field and created a safety valve so the people would not or could not be slaves to the elected government.

The Elite command has a weapon which they use to their advantage and that is the Media. They own that too. As I see it, as long as they control the Media they have more than 50% of the people doing their bidding. The awakened people in USA will always be a minority until the Media is free.

The Tim Turner movement I think was a psy-ops. Maybe not.

I haven't seen or heard of any plan to correct this madness until Drake appeared on the scene.
This is why I am giving it all my hope and spiritual support.
After more than 800 FEMA camps have been built the Military, the Pentagon must know what they are for and who they are intended for. So the Military/Pentagon must know something is coming in the way of Marshall Law. I would think that there are many military officers who would not take kindly to such a thing. So there must be a plan sometime in the near future as to the carrying out of such a plan. To stress again: the only country in the world where a possible peoples freedom from the oppression of the cabal could happen is in the USA. That is why the FEMA camps have been built. The plan obviously is that when the people of USA get really pissed off and can take no more of their shenanigans that would be the time for Marshall Law to begin.

This in my mind is why Drake was asked by certain Pentagon sources to begin a preparation for this event. The timing is very important it seems. Drake needs lots of citizens to give him AND the white hats in the Pentagon support.
Why some people here at Avalon accuse others here of being gullible astounds me. I certainly at my age am not going to take on traits of gullibility when that is not part of my character. This project could in my mind fail for many reasons but I am not going to say what they are as walls have ears.

Support Drake and leave your ego's somewhere for safe keeping.

Stan

[Unified Serenity]

Support Drake and leave your ego's somewhere for safe keeping.

Stan

I hear you Stan, but I think your sentence should be, "Support Drake and leave your brain and ego somewhere else."

I don't see any reason to believe or trust Drake. Now, the latest interview KC did with Brooks Agnew offers some ideas and a means to get control back away from the elites. About 55:00 into her interview with him he really layed out the plan. The other interview I posted covers a lot as well.

[LarryC]

It's easy to dismiss Fulford, but there are clues that some big things are happening around the world. And, as the posts about Mexico point out, we may not be hearing about a lot of it. YouTube and Google may be censoring many videos. Quite a few massive protests have been happening in Russia, Iceland, Mexico, Canada and other places just to name a few.

http://on.fb.me/LUIDvV

[jackovesk]

One other thing I've noticed here at Avalon...

Some of you have noticed a 'Big Turnaround' in the decreasing number of members posting here at Avalon...:yes4:

...and one of the Reasons I believe is because the 'Guru Worshippers' have been 'Found Out' and honestly need to re-evaluate 'Why' they continually needed to believe in 'False Hope' provided by the likes of Drake, David Willcock, GFL & Ben Fulford, etc...

When they have invested so much of their time & belief into such Progenators and then realise its all just 'False Hope Balony', they (ALL) obviously needed to take a break and reassess themselves..!

The 'Others' are just waiting to see how it all plays out and will reconvene when they are good & ready...

[gripreaper]

This guy, Brooks Agnew scares me.............

I like him!

Ok, listened to Brooks Agnew. I will say that the idea of discernment is getting to be a full time job.

In regards the Restoration of the Republic, Brook mentions 40 States who have filed Declarations of Sovereignty and have succeeded from being a part of the Corporate United States, which he refers to as a dictatorship and not a representative government. He claims that the Convention of 40 delegates could restore the Republic and go to a sales tax and repeal corporate income tax, and that would solve the problem.

I’ve spent the last five years and thousands of hours following the patriot movements, in local assemblies as well as the talkshoe circuit, and I’ve not heard of these Declarations or an effort to restore the Republic, other than Rap and RuSA. Although there was no mention of either of these, I wonder if Brook is aligned with these movements. It’s hard for me to imagine that I would not have heard of these Declarations outside of RuSA, although I am open to the possibility that I may have not.

He discusses the three Constitution Amendment deletions, by referendum of 40 delegates, by Convention. He goes over the deletions, and references the changes which occurred in 1932 and 1933, but makes no mention of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, or the Reconstruction Act of 1871, or the removed 13th amendment (titles of nobility) replaced, or the 14th amendment, which made us all corporate slaves after the civil war. He talks about adding 7 new amendments, which he covers some of them briefly.

Although these points addressed are certainly amicable, they do leave out a big portion of the story. I have not read his book, so I can’t really say if I’m on track about this or not, but it struck me as odd.

Then, he mentions Dimon’s testimony before congress and how Dimon said what’s a couple billion when we have 2.3 trillion of depositor’s funds. Brook mentions how these funds are not put to work. Does he not know that it is illegal to use depositor’s funds, to loan out? Under fractional reserve banking, the banks can create promises based on signatures, but they CANNOT loan depositors funds OR their own credit! He seems to endorse Romney too, which surprised me.

Then, the discussion trails off in regards to the Stuxnet software, and yet he knows nothing about PROMIS? There are too many holes from my point of reference. I’m looking for a new paradigm, not the restoration of some form of centralized control, with new players and new metals backed currency.

If anyone buys his book and reads it, let me know. I’m open to expanding my view on this.

[Unified Serenity]

From what I could gather he is not involved in any way with RuSA or Drake. He does not want a free for all Con Con, but a very limited one where specific amendments occur which puts the power back in the hands of the people particularly on a state level. Getting our national guard under the control of Governors and out from the Feds hands would go a long way. Our founding fathers wanted the states to be able to tell the Feds to shove it simply by having the national guard. Right now, they are over seas and they did not sign up for that duty.

I think he answered some things, but did not go into detail otherwise why buy the book?

Thanks for your post Grip.

[gripreaper]

specific amendments occur which puts the power back in the hands of the people particularly on a state level. Getting our national guard under the control of Governors and out from the Feds hands would go a long way. Our founding fathers wanted the states to be able to tell the Feds to shove it simply by having the national guard. Right now, they are over seas and they did not sign up for that duty.

Totally get that and am on board with shifting the power back to the states, but the PTB are not going to take too kindly to this move, and it must be stated that we are in a global environment and the big boy toys are pretty dangerous and they don't like being messed with.

Oh geez, I forgot for a second that this is what this whole thread is about!

[applecrusher1992]

So what have we got here? We have a powerful Elite who control Banking, the Military Industrial complex. They control most politicians and governments, hence everything on the planet. They invade far away countries, start wars and murder men, women and children. We are slaves to these people who are less than 1% of the population.
What can we do to get them out of power? Voting them out doesn't work as they appoint the candidates.
Protesting doesn't budge them one way or another. Two million people demonstrated in London telling Blair No War. He went.
I would say there is little hope of changing towards anything worthwhile in Britain. We don't have guns.
Whilst the United States being the most powerful country in the world, both technologically, financially and military, the citizens at least have the right to own guns. This rule was written into the Constitution at the time when the Army had only guns and canons. This law evened the playing field and created a safety valve so the people would not or could not be slaves to the elected government.

The Elite command has a weapon which they use to their advantage and that is the Media. They own that too. As I see it, as long as they control the Media they have more than 50% of the people doing their bidding. The awakened people in USA will always be a minority until the Media is free.

The Tim Turner movement I think was a psy-ops. Maybe not.

I haven't seen or heard of any plan to correct this madness until Drake appeared on the scene.
This is why I am giving it all my hope and spiritual support.
After more than 800 FEMA camps have been built the Military, the Pentagon must know what they are for and who they are intended for. So the Military/Pentagon must know something is coming in the way of Marshall Law. I would think that there are many military officers who would not take kindly to such a thing. So there must be a plan sometime in the near future as to the carrying out of such a plan. To stress again: the only country in the world where a possible peoples freedom from the oppression of the cabal could happen is in the USA. That is why the FEMA camps have been built. The plan obviously is that when the people of USA get really pissed off and can take no more of their shenanigans that would be the time for Marshall Law to begin.

This in my mind is why Drake was asked by certain Pentagon sources to begin a preparation for this event. The timing is very important it seems. Drake needs lots of citizens to give him AND the white hats in the Pentagon support.
Why some people here at Avalon accuse others here of being gullible astounds me. I certainly at my age am not going to take on traits of gullibility when that is not part of my character. This project could in my mind fail for many reasons but I am not going to say what they are as walls have ears.

Support Drake and leave your ego's somewhere for safe keeping.

Stan

Yes. I agree. Sometimes we have to take a stand for what we believe in even though the casualties and risk might be high. I for one think that Fulford is dis-info but someone like Drake is a good person who is really trying to get our country back. Regardless of whether people think of him as some clone or pawn being used by the cabal I would ask what you have been doing? Are you sitting on the couch waiting for someone else to take a stand or are you spreading the message? If your waiting for someone and you are not opened minded about Drake then you probably won't believe anyone. If you are sitting on the couch then the cabal win because that is what they want you to do. Also if you look at Drake he seems to know only certain information that his contacts what him to know. He is for real just by the way he speaks but whether his contacts are giving him correct information is left to be seen. He is not the one with the date of the event but he says he has taken certain actions with the militia which I believe. Plus I don't believe if Drake was controlled the way people think he is that he would tell so many small personal stories about the militia and his time in the army. I am not going to put all in on Drake but I do believe something is going to happen. I have never had a plan that I didn't need to modify so I understand if there was a deadline and something blocked it that they would move. However if this was a football analogy there is one second left on the play clock and the cabal made a last second change of play. You have to go with it even if you don't like it. If the military does not follow through but Drake pushes to organize for arrest I don't see what the problem is as long as it is done with precaution. You can't just go into New York City and start arrested people because we would be the ones arrested. You also have to consider it could be used against us. To all the nay sayers I will be willing to admit I may be wrong about Drake but what are you doing in this time of great crisis?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


It's easy to dismiss Fulford, but there are clues that some big things are happening around the world. And, as the posts about Mexico point out, we may not be hearing about a lot of it. YouTube and Google may be censoring many videos. Quite a few massive protests have been happening in Russia, Iceland, Mexico, Canada and other places just to name a few.

http://on.fb.me/LUIDvV

Yes you seem to be right. And when they do have news about these protest they turn it into a political event. I wonder what the real cause is.


Also I found this video of someone who could possible be Drake:

XNKe0eCmLpQ

[Unified Serenity]

His name is drake bailey. Seems to be the right video.

[gripreaper]

THE PLAN

In the beginning was the Plan,

And then came the Assumptions,

And the Assumptions were without form,

And the Plan was without substance,

And darkness was upon the face of the Workers,

And they spoke among themselves, saying,

“It is a crock of sh!t, and it stinketh,”

And the workers went unto their Supervisors and said,

“It is a pail of dung and none may abide the odor thereof,”

And the Supervisors went unto their Managers, saying,

“It is a container of excrement, and it is very strong,

Such that none may abide by it.”

And the Managers went unto their Directors, saying,

‘It is a vessel of fertilizers, and none may abide by its strength,”

And the Directors spoke amongst themselves, saying one to another,

“It contains that which aids plant growth, and it is very strong,”

And the Directors then went unto the Vice Presidents, saying unto them,
“It promotes growth, and it is very powerful,”

And the Vice Presidents went unto the President, saying unto him,
“This new plan will actively promote the growth and vigor of the company, with powerful effects,”

And the President looked upon the Plan, and saw that it was good.

And the Plan became policy.

Yet to the workers, it still remains a crock of sh!t.

[Unified Serenity]

OMG, this is priceless!



THE PLAN

In the beginning was the Plan,

And then came the Assumptions,

And the Assumptions were without form,

And the Plan was without substance,

And darkness was upon the face of the Workers,

And they spoke among themselves, saying,

“It is a crock of sh!t, and it stinketh,”

And the workers went unto their Supervisors and said,

“It is a pail of dung and none may abide the odor thereof,”

And the Supervisors went unto their Managers, saying,

“It is a container of excrement, and it is very strong,

Such that none may abide by it.”

And the Managers went unto their Directors, saying,

‘It is a vessel of fertilizers, and none may abide by its strength,”

And the Directors spoke amongst themselves, saying one to another,

“It contains that which aids plant growth, and it is very strong,”

And the Directors then went unto the Vice Presidents, saying unto them,
“It promotes growth, and it is very powerful,”

And the Vice Presidents went unto the President, saying unto him,
“This new plan will actively promote the growth and vigor of the company, with powerful effects,”

And the President looked upon the Plan, and saw that it was good.

And the Plan became policy.

Yet to the workers, it still remains a crock of sh!t.

[Ishtar]

Agreed, Unified Serenity. It's a classic example of the main reason why I keep tabs on this thread. It's the high standard of writing and original thinking that attracts me ... it's gone way beyond Drake for me. Drake's been a dead duck to me for a couple of months, at least.

But I return to this thread regularly because I've really enjoyed and been inspired by some of the thinking that has emerged in here, and it's pushed me too, to really think about and articulate what's important to me. I will go a long way for good writing and original thought, as it's rare these days. So many thanks to all the great writers in here for keeping me informed, entertained and stimulated... :wave:

[danceblackcatdance]

So what have we got here? We have a powerful Elite who control Banking, the Military Industrial complex. They control most politicians and governments, hence everything on the planet. They invade far away countries, start wars and murder men, women and children. We are slaves to these people who are less than 1% of the population.
What can we do to get them out of power? Voting them out doesn't work as they appoint the candidates.
Protesting doesn't budge them one way or another. Two million people demonstrated in London telling Blair No War. He went.
I would say there is little hope of changing towards anything worthwhile in Britain. We don't have guns.
Whilst the United States being the most powerful country in the world, both technologically, financially and military, the citizens at least have the right to own guns. This rule was written into the Constitution at the time when the Army had only guns and canons. This law evened the playing field and created a safety valve so the people would not or could not be slaves to the elected government.

The Elite command has a weapon which they use to their advantage and that is the Media. They own that too. As I see it, as long as they control the Media they have more than 50% of the people doing their bidding. The awakened people in USA will always be a minority until the Media is free.

The Tim Turner movement I think was a psy-ops. Maybe not.

I haven't seen or heard of any plan to correct this madness until Drake appeared on the scene.
This is why I am giving it all my hope and spiritual support.
After more than 800 FEMA camps have been built the Military, the Pentagon must know what they are for and who they are intended for. So the Military/Pentagon must know something is coming in the way of Marshall Law. I would think that there are many military officers who would not take kindly to such a thing. So there must be a plan sometime in the near future as to the carrying out of such a plan. To stress again: the only country in the world where a possible peoples freedom from the oppression of the cabal could happen is in the USA. That is why the FEMA camps have been built. The plan obviously is that when the people of USA get really pissed off and can take no more of their shenanigans that would be the time for Marshall Law to begin.

This in my mind is why Drake was asked by certain Pentagon sources to begin a preparation for this event. The timing is very important it seems. Drake needs lots of citizens to give him AND the white hats in the Pentagon support.
Why some people here at Avalon accuse others here of being gullible astounds me. I certainly at my age am not going to take on traits of gullibility when that is not part of my character. This project could in my mind fail for many reasons but I am not going to say what they are as walls have ears.

Support Drake and leave your ego's somewhere for safe keeping.

Stan

agree and I'd guess if the SHTF, among the the first truckloads of people going to FEMA camps will be the new-agey-types / free thinkers / general dissenters... much like the people who post on this site.... I hope 'the plan', as crazy as it sounds, is for real and is successful too... alternative being tptb total takeover / annihilation of..? Whatever the end to their gameplay is, am sure wont be pretty for 'awakened' types....

[Chester]

Do not get me wrong here I am from KY I understand about hillbilly speak. However serving for quite a while changes people and the way they speak. I do not know his full background but...

Thanks for your comments.

Giving up on trying to change people's opinion is like giving into them. IMO It is of upmost importance to awaken as many people you can as fast as possible.

Kind Regards,

Ref

I have recently discovered something interesting... it is not a.) trying to change others nor b.) giving into them... it is c.) being (not pretending) but being the change I want to see.

What is interesting about this is that some folks who have known me for years have noticed the change. Some of these folks that noticed the change are folks I wish would change for the better (as if I really know what that might be - but that is drifting away from my point).

Some of these folks that have noticed the change, some being folks I wish would change, have begun asking me how I did it... and thus the door opens a tiny crack. The next trick is in regards to the fine art of how best to open a door - but that is for another (lengthy) post.

Now "being the change I want to see in others" is not my original idea nor quote, but sometimes when I hear a good one, I try it out.

So far this one is working good.

justoneman

[9eagle9]

The "I'm not doing anything but waiting for someone to come fix everything but what you aren't doing is worse " argument.

Some among us have been educated even to know wheat from chaff.

Have learned not to plan their lives around the emotional reactions of others.

Understand how celebrity gurus make empty promises and have their fans chasing dates all over the calendar.

Have the ability to see who is steering this dog and pony show.

Have steered clear of the new age bull**** that promises happy, but empty, endings for the last thirty years.

Didn't just stumble onto alt media last year, and after being given a different perspective on the state of the world think they were also granted great spiritual awareness.

View this as nothing more but the repeated cycle of bull**** that occurs every three or four months as a new celebrity guru hits the boards.

Have spent years weeding out their mechanisms that cause us to fall for stories like this.

Learn to use critical thinking skills instead of being ruled by Critical Barrier.


Do not lose sleep at night thinking they are so brilliant that they ptb will drag them off to a Fema Work camp because are such a threat to the ptb. Talk about ego, folks who are so easily misled and distracted are the last thing the ptb are worried about.






So what have we got here? We have a powerful Elite who control Banking, the Military Industrial complex. They control most politicians and governments, hence everything on the planet. They invade far away countries, start wars and murder men, women and children. We are slaves to these people who are less than 1% of the population.
What can we do to get them out of power? Voting them out doesn't work as they appoint the candidates.
Protesting doesn't budge them one way or another. Two million people demonstrated in London telling Blair No War. He went.
I would say there is little hope of changing towards anything worthwhile in Britain. We don't have guns.
Whilst the United States being the most powerful country in the world, both technologically, financially and military, the citizens at least have the right to own guns. This rule was written into the Constitution at the time when the Army had only guns and canons. This law evened the playing field and created a safety valve so the people would not or could not be slaves to the elected government.

The Elite command has a weapon which they use to their advantage and that is the Media. They own that too. As I see it, as long as they control the Media they have more than 50% of the people doing their bidding. The awakened people in USA will always be a minority until the Media is free.

The Tim Turner movement I think was a psy-ops. Maybe not.

I haven't seen or heard of any plan to correct this madness until Drake appeared on the scene.
This is why I am giving it all my hope and spiritual support.
After more than 800 FEMA camps have been built the Military, the Pentagon must know what they are for and who they are intended for. So the Military/Pentagon must know something is coming in the way of Marshall Law. I would think that there are many military officers who would not take kindly to such a thing. So there must be a plan sometime in the near future as to the carrying out of such a plan. To stress again: the only country in the world where a possible peoples freedom from the oppression of the cabal could happen is in the USA. That is why the FEMA camps have been built. The plan obviously is that when the people of USA get really pissed off and can take no more of their shenanigans that would be the time for Marshall Law to begin.

This in my mind is why Drake was asked by certain Pentagon sources to begin a preparation for this event. The timing is very important it seems. Drake needs lots of citizens to give him AND the white hats in the Pentagon support.
Why some people here at Avalon accuse others here of being gullible astounds me. I certainly at my age am not going to take on traits of gullibility when that is not part of my character. This project could in my mind fail for many reasons but I am not going to say what they are as walls have ears.

Support Drake and leave your ego's somewhere for safe keeping.

Stan

Yes. I agree. Sometimes we have to take a stand for what we believe in even though the casualties and risk might be high. I for one think that Fulford is dis-info but someone like Drake is a good person who is really trying to get our country back. Regardless of whether people think of him as some clone or pawn being used by the cabal I would ask what you have been doing? Are you sitting on the couch waiting for someone else to take a stand or are you spreading the message? If your waiting for someone and you are not opened minded about Drake then you probably won't believe anyone. If you are sitting on the couch then the cabal win because that is what they want you to do. Also if you look at Drake he seems to know only certain information that his contacts what him to know. He is for real just by the way he speaks but whether his contacts are giving him correct information is left to be seen. He is not the one with the date of the event but he says he has taken certain actions with the militia which I believe. Plus I don't believe if Drake was controlled the way people think he is that he would tell so many small personal stories about the militia and his time in the army. I am not going to put all in on Drake but I do believe something is going to happen. I have never had a plan that I didn't need to modify so I understand if there was a deadline and something blocked it that they would move. However if this was a football analogy there is one second left on the play clock and the cabal made a last second change of play. You have to go with it even if you don't like it. If the military does not follow through but Drake pushes to organize for arrest I don't see what the problem is as long as it is done with precaution. You can't just go into New York City and start arrested people because we would be the ones arrested. You also have to consider it could be used against us. To all the nay sayers I will be willing to admit I may be wrong about Drake but what are you doing in this time of great crisis?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


It's easy to dismiss Fulford, but there are clues that some big things are happening around the world. And, as the posts about Mexico point out, we may not be hearing about a lot of it. YouTube and Google may be censoring many videos. Quite a few massive protests have been happening in Russia, Iceland, Mexico, Canada and other places just to name a few.

http://on.fb.me/LUIDvV

Yes you seem to be right. And when they do have news about these protest they turn it into a political event. I wonder what the real cause is.


Also I found this video of someone who could possible be Drake:

XNKe0eCmLpQ

[Chester]

Breaking from Drake Chat.

HUGE protest in Mexico, major news blackout!!!


All you have to do is google "protests in Mexico"

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=protest+in+Mexico&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Much love to us all!!! :grouphug:

Much love to us all, always in all ways!

And if you do some Google searches (like I did) what you discover is something totally different than the impression one gets from the original post referring to protests in Mexico.

It is clear there's a huge gap between fantasy and reality.

[aranuk]

One other thing I've noticed here at Avalon...

Some of you have noticed a 'Big Turnaround' in the decreasing number of members posting here at Avalon...:yes4:

...and one of the Reasons I believe is because the 'Guru Worshippers' have been 'Found Out' and honestly need to re-evaluate 'Why' they continually needed to believe in 'False Hope' provided by the likes of Drake, David Willcock, GFL & Ben Fulford, etc...

When they have invested so much of their time & belief into such Progenators and then realise its all just 'False Hope Balony', they (ALL) obviously needed to take a break and reassess themselves..!

The 'Others' are just waiting to see how it all plays out and will reconvene when they are good & ready...

Jack, if we Drake supporters were as gullible as some of you here accuse us of, then we would readily and easily be persuaded by your attempted admonishments. We are NOT. We are hardly guru worshipers either. Drake is a very ordinary, but eccentric individual, in a most difficult situation, he smokes and coughs a lot just like me. He can hardly breathe. Not a Guru to be followed by any means. Anyway bud, how do you see us the people defeating the monster elite/cabal? I am very willing to listen to your alternative plans for the liberation of mankind.

Stan

[9eagle9]

The naysayers are not offering emotionally laden stories and quick fixes to replace the Drake story.

If we composed an alternate line of opposing bull**** to feed you that was even more spectacular then this tripe, guaranteed you'd fall for it.

But then we'd be no better than the celebrity gurus that spoon fed you the original story .

[aranuk]

The naysayers are not offering emotionally laden stories and quick fixes to replace the Drake story.

If we composed an alternate line of opposing bull**** to feed you that was even more spectacular then this tripe, guaranteed you'd fall for it.

But then we'd be no better than the celebrity gurus that spoon fed you the original story .

So what you are saying is that you have no alternative plan yourself? You just spend a lot of time and energy criticising others here who support the ONLY plan. That's an easy route but it changes absolutely nothing. The elite/cabal are proud of your efforts as they have nothing to worry about.

Stan

[9eagle9]

I am my alternate plan, no one is hiding what needs to be done on the individual level (not the stampeding herd level) its just that the herd is so mesmerized by stories they aren't paying attention to their ability to create their own reality.

Daily I do something to create a different reality for myself. You've had yours delivered, someone has suggested a limiting reality to you and you've for-sook your own to invest in something that isn't yours because you have turned your head on your own resources.

That's your choice.




The naysayers are not offering emotionally laden stories and quick fixes to replace the Drake story.

If we composed an alternate line of opposing bull**** to feed you that was even more spectacular then this tripe, guaranteed you'd fall for it.

But then we'd be no better than the celebrity gurus that spoon fed you the original story .

So what you are saying is that you have no alternative plan yourself? You just spend a lot of time and energy criticising others here who support the ONLY plan. That's an easy route but it changes absolutely nothing. The elite/cabal are proud of your efforts as they have nothing to worry about.

Stan

[Fred Steeves]

Hey everybody, just bopping in to give my http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/twocents.gif. To plan a course of action, ANY course of action in this case, is playing on the Cabal's home turf, and playing by their rules. It fails every time it's tried, and it fails miserably. This is their bread and butter, planning is. You don't out plan the planners.

You want to know how to catch these guys with their proverbial pants down? Two things: Do the unthinkable, and do it when it's least expected. That's the kind of "plan" that makes them sh!t their proverbial pants just thinking about trying to plan for, and they know full well that we have the capability to pull it off too.

We are the masters of infinite possibility, we've just forgotten. They haven't...

Cheers,
Fred

[9eagle9]

Fred these are masters of psychology who have honed their craft over a course of a thousand years by means overt, covert and occult in nature. A few ra ra cheerleaders who have just gotten a clue in the last few months, weeks, or years of just looking at the surface of the manipulation, just becoming aware of the surface of the manipulation , not HOW we have been manipulated, think they are going to out wit them . None of them have looked to see HOW they have been manipulated in the past or done the neccessary sort of work that one does to avoid manipulation . You will not see these adherents inhabiting those sorts of threads either because those threads do not offer stories but solutions. People want stories.

People like myself who have studied for decades how the psyche is manipulated have had a challenge holding my OWN ground in this grand illusion, but clearly see the same manipulation occurring here that the master planners use.

Those who have not studied for decades don't, and you can't tell them.

We have been given one thing, one gift to manage and that is our own lives, and we have the means and the tools to do so.

People are sending a direct message to whomever may be listening that they do not want to manage their lives, they want someone else to make the determination of their destiny for them.

perhaps they really are just mean to be cattle and have no recourse . For those who have dug down deep enough to realize they are not a herd animal we will continue to find , excavate and use the means and tools to manage our own lives.

[gripreaper]

Fred these are masters of psychology who have honed their craft over a course of a thousand years by means overt, covert and occult in nature. A few ra ra cheerleaders who have just gotten a clue in the last few months, weeks, or years of just looking at the surface of the manipulation, just becoming aware of the surface of the manipulation , not HOW we have been manipulated, think they are going to out wit them . None of them have looked to see HOW they have been manipulated in the past or done the neccessary sort of work that one does to avoid manipulation . You will not see these adherents inhabiting those sorts of threads either because those threads do not offer stories but solutions. People want stories.

People like myself who have studied for decades how the psyche is manipulated have had a challenge holding my OWN ground in this grand illusion, but clearly see the same manipulation occurring here that the master planners use.

Those who have not studied for decades don't, and you can't tell them.

We have been given one thing, one gift to manage and that is our own lives, and we have the means and the tools to do so.

People are sending a direct message to whomever may be listening that they do not want to manage their lives, they want someone else to make the determination of their destiny for them.

perhaps they really are just mean to be cattle and have no recourse . For those who have dug down deep enough to realize they are not a herd animal we will continue to find , excavate and use the means and tools to manage our own lives.

It's a dialectic we need to be ever vigilant in the face of.

How many times did the elite work the populace up into a frenzy, who then willingly went off to war and fought against their own brothers, until millions upon millions perished while these same elite made TRILLIONS of dollars financing both sides?

Just send some planes in and bomb Pearl Harbor and that will cause righteous indignation to arise and the Americans will for sure enter the war. That is just one example.

Trust me, if we little peons go up against the cabal, it's not going to be anything like sitting here at our keyboards sipping coffee and eating popcorn, cracking jokes or doing group meditations, and going to the refrigerator for a sandwich whenever we get hungry.

The romanticism goes out the window real quick if this is real.

[LarryC]

Hey everybody, just bopping in to give my http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/twocents.gif. To plan a course of action, ANY course of action in this case, is playing on the Cabal's home turf, and playing by their rules. It fails every time it's tried, and it fails miserably. This is their bread and butter, planning is. You don't out plan the planners.

You want to know how to catch these guys with their proverbial pants down? Two things: Do the unthinkable, and do it when it's least expected. That's the kind of "plan" that makes them sh!t their proverbial pants just thinking about trying to plan for, and they know full well that we have the capability to pull it off too.

We are the masters of infinite possibility, we've just forgotten. They haven't...

Cheers,
Fred

To say that ANY plan is doomed to fail is defeatist. One mistake many people make is overestimating them. Ultimately, these people are not the elite, they are f*ups who completely misunderstand the nature of reality. Their dominance is only superficial. They are self important, inbred families and their minions who dominate an insular, illusory reality of paper money and material comfort.

"Do the unthinkable when it's least expected?" I wouldn't argue with that, though it's a little vague. It also tends to discount group efforts, unless you're talking about something akin to a Twitter flash mob. There's a place for that type of anarchic rebellion, for sure.

The solution is really on the metaphysical plane though. The mass meditations Cobra is helping to organize may be the most important part of "the plan." At the end of the day, I'm not too invested in things like laws and governments. Being free or "sovereign" doesn't come from a constitution, it comes from awareness.

[Chester]

Agreed, Unified Serenity. It's a classic example of the main reason why I keep tabs on this thread. It's the high standard of writing and original thinking that attracts me ... it's gone way beyond Drake for me. Drake's been a dead duck to me for a couple of months, at least.

But I return to this thread regularly because I've really enjoyed and been inspired by some of the thinking that has emerged in here, and it's pushed me too, to really think about and articulate what's important to me. I will go a long way for good writing and original thought, as it's rare these days. So many thanks to all the great writers in here for keeping me informed, entertained and stimulated... :wave:

The Drake / Plan naysayers did not post in vain.

I was a mega Drake drum beater. That I now perceive Drake to be entirely deluded or in fact "a liar," is because I never stopped reading and considering the posts on this forum. I hope Ishtar will forgive me for the hard time I gave her a few months back.

Fortunately, I did not do as so many others do (or say they are doing) which is to ignore the alternative views to a.) the possibility the plan could be BS - either pure fantasy or a psi-op fallen for by idiots or b.) that if there is any reality to it, the massive flaws that exist in the plan.

I give a.) to be a 99.999% favorite over b.) but in either case, it is purely and entirely total idiocy.

"conspirotainment" at its best... but I must admit the truth, like SilentFeathers, I am enjoying the back and forth which perhaps is falling for what may be one of the primary goals of the "Drake Drama" (if it is indeed a psi-op) - distraction.

[9eagle9]

I do the unthinkable in my daily life.

I fail to see where Drake or his adherents are doing it. His adherents are being told what to think. Its not even the unthinkable its the recycled thought.

Given one's self up to someone elses thought is defeatist. I'ts not even your own plan, your own thought, its someone elses. My plan is simple , and executed in the now.

How about 'Let's transcend Drake's plan' for the unthinkable and that is what the naysayers are attempting to convey if people were not so hooked into the story line.



Hey everybody, just bopping in to give my http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/twocents.gif. To plan a course of action, ANY course of action in this case, is playing on the Cabal's home turf, and playing by their rules. It fails every time it's tried, and it fails miserably. This is their bread and butter, planning is. You don't out plan the planners.

You want to know how to catch these guys with their proverbial pants down? Two things: Do the unthinkable, and do it when it's least expected. That's the kind of "plan" that makes them sh!t their proverbial pants just thinking about trying to plan for, and they know full well that we have the capability to pull it off too.

We are the masters of infinite possibility, we've just forgotten. They haven't...

Cheers,
Fred

To say that ANY plan is doomed to fail is defeatist. One mistake many people make is overestimating them. Ultimately, these people are not the elite, they are f*ups who completely misunderstand the nature of reality. Their dominance is only superficial. They are self important, inbred families and their minions who dominate an insular, illusory reality of paper money and material comfort.

"Do the unthinkable when it's least expected?" I wouldn't argue with that, though it's a little vague. It also tends to discount group efforts, unless you're talking about something akin to a Twitter flash mob. There's a place for that type of anarchic rebellion, for sure.

The solution is really on the metaphysical plane though. The mass meditations Cobra is helping to organize may be the most important part of "the plan." At the end of the day, I'm not too invested in things like laws and governments. Being free or "sovereign" doesn't come from a constitution, it comes from awareness.

[gripreaper]

You want to know how to catch these guys with their proverbial pants down? Two things: Do the unthinkable, and do it when it's least expected. That's the kind of "plan" that makes them sh!t their proverbial pants just thinking about trying to plan for, and they know full well that we have the capability to pull it off too.

Cheers,
Fred

Last time we tried that was about 13,000 years ago when the first hybrids who rebelled and left, came back to Atlantis to rescue their cousins, the second slave hybridization. The battle did not go too well, and the whole planet was nuked to near extinction, so we have the DNA race memory, which the elite use to their advantage to play the fear card, and we are hesitant and resistant to take action because we feel it on a cellular level.

So, this transformation we are going through, is also the global healing of that race memory, while we embrace our true power once again after playing the victim card for millennium, and ALLOWING the elite controllers to play their fear card and keep us as slaves.

The shift is inter-dimensional, encompasses every aspect of our many incarnations and memories, and includes energies we have not experienced for at least 26,000 years. I think were moving into this transition every day because you can see the extreme polarities manifesting on every level, so people's issues are coming up for review big time. Just look at this forum as a prime example.

It's all good though. Each of us coming to this awakening is what is required.

[Chester]

The naysayers are not offering emotionally laden stories and quick fixes to replace the Drake story.

If we composed an alternate line of opposing bull**** to feed you that was even more spectacular then this tripe, guaranteed you'd fall for it.

But then we'd be no better than the celebrity gurus that spoon fed you the original story .

So what you are saying is that you have no alternative plan yourself? You just spend a lot of time and energy criticising others here who support the ONLY plan. That's an easy route but it changes absolutely nothing. The elite/cabal are proud of your efforts as they have nothing to worry about.

Stan

Hi Stan - I love ya, bro, because you are genuine. You play it straight...

Not sure this helps you, but I have been applying what I mentioned a few posts up and I have seen verifiable results in my reality experience. There's nothing new agy wagy about "the solutions start from within" but I am beginning to believe that perhaps the only way we will collectively experience resolution to the cabal/elite problem is through this pathway -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more&p=511658&viewfull=1#post511658

Having said that, what I found I am capable in doing besides just "being the change" is sharing how I have had success in my process towards being this change... sharing it with others who ask, being cautious not to run over paradigms of those who do crack open the door and have been rewarded to see tangible progress being achieved by others.

At the end of the day its all just "us" here... and whenever I sink into the us/them game, I have found most of my success by identifying the "them" within myself.

Anyways, whatever of us is real can never be destroyed (but that is just my own opinion - yet having that opinion gives me the courage and strength to work on Chester as never before).

[SilentFeathers]

We all need to stop participating in silly distractions such as this outrageous Drake Fulford Wilcock scenario, very little of it makes sense, and now it's beginning to focus on mass murder, not mass arrests. More importantly we all need to stop participating as much as possible on every level in the things that are causing us to be in the situation that we are finding ourselves in, which is poverty and slavery. We are financing and supporting the very things that are destroying us.....we are our own worst enemies, part of waking up is realizing this exact fact. Every one seems to be blaming the cabal only, but through our own actions (or in-actions) we have given them everything they need to successfully defeat us and, well, they are where they are because we have allowed it.....we have built the machine that the psychopaths are using against us now....in all truth, we the people own the world, not a small group of idiots that don't even care for it.

I wrote this a couple of years ago, hope it makes sense:

The Importance of Community

Understanding the importance of community is just one small ingredient of the "waking up" process. Not supporting your community physically/financially and spiritually/emotionally is actually a threat to your very own survival. The importance of community has become lost over the last several generations and must be found again.

Advertising, greed, and unethical behaviors cause us to ignore our communities. In turn, we end up supporting the very ones (outside of our communities) that are causing division, social stress, and financial harm. Thus communities are being destroyed from within through ignorance and deception.

Big business and multi-billion dollar corporations have caused us to forget the importance of "Community". Stop supporting the ones that are destroying this way of life!

More importantly, our communities have become chaotic spiritually and many people don't even know their next door neighbors any more, this is not the way it should be. Some people live their whole lifetime next to someone without even saying hello to them, I find this quite sad.

During this transformation process of awakening, we must always remember the importance of community and physically and spiritually return to this place where we all once were. It is one of many keys that will open doors to a harmony that we all are seeking.

A large part of waking up and moving forward is realizing that we must also at the same time return to a place that we all once were.

SilentFeathers....
6-15-2010

PS: When Drake does speak of things such as I wrote above, well, that is the only thing that comes out of his mouth that makes any sense to me....

[Chester]

Hey everybody, just bopping in to give my http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/twocents.gif. To plan a course of action, ANY course of action in this case, is playing on the Cabal's home turf, and playing by their rules. It fails every time it's tried, and it fails miserably. This is their bread and butter, planning is. You don't out plan the planners.

You want to know how to catch these guys with their proverbial pants down? Two things: Do the unthinkable, and do it when it's least expected. That's the kind of "plan" that makes them sh!t their proverbial pants just thinking about trying to plan for, and they know full well that we have the capability to pull it off too.

We are the masters of infinite possibility, we've just forgotten. They haven't...

Cheers,
Fred

To say that ANY plan is doomed to fail is defeatist. One mistake many people make is overestimating them. Ultimately, these people are not the elite, they are f*ups who completely misunderstand the nature of reality. Their dominance is only superficial. They are self important, inbred families and their minions who dominate an insular, illusory reality of paper money and material comfort.

"Do the unthinkable when it's least expected?" I wouldn't argue with that, though it's a little vague. It also tends to discount group efforts, unless you're talking about something akin to a Twitter flash mob. There's a place for that type of anarchic rebellion, for sure.

The solution is really on the metaphysical plane though. The mass meditations Cobra is helping to organize may be the most important part of "the plan." At the end of the day, I'm not too invested in things like laws and governments. Being free or "sovereign" doesn't come from a constitution, it comes from awareness.

You missed the point - You see two possibilities only

a.) we must have a plan or
b.) we are defeated

Read Fred Steeves post again, please and discover c.)... then apply c.) in your life - I promise you will see results.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more&p=511689&viewfull=1#post511689

justone

[Cartomancer]

I do the unthinkable in my daily life.

I fail to see where Drake or his adherents are doing it. His adherents are being told what to think. Its not even the unthinkable its the recycled thought.

Given one's self up to someone elses thought is defeatist. I'ts not even your own plan, your own thought, its someone elses. My plan is simple , and executed in the now.

How about 'Let's transcend Drake's plan' for the unthinkable and that is what the naysayers are attempting to convey if people were not so hooked into the story line.



Hey everybody, just bopping in to give my http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/twocents.gif. To plan a course of action, ANY course of action in this case, is playing on the Cabal's home turf, and playing by their rules. It fails every time it's tried, and it fails miserably. This is their bread and butter, planning is. You don't out plan the planners.

You want to know how to catch these guys with their proverbial pants down? Two things: Do the unthinkable, and do it when it's least expected. That's the kind of "plan" that makes them sh!t their proverbial pants just thinking about trying to plan for, and they know full well that we have the capability to pull it off too.

We are the masters of infinite possibility, we've just forgotten. They haven't...

Cheers,
Fred

To say that ANY plan is doomed to fail is defeatist. One mistake many people make is overestimating them. Ultimately, these people are not the elite, they are f*ups who completely misunderstand the nature of reality. Their dominance is only superficial. They are self important, inbred families and their minions who dominate an insular, illusory reality of paper money and material comfort.

"Do the unthinkable when it's least expected?" I wouldn't argue with that, though it's a little vague. It also tends to discount group efforts, unless you're talking about something akin to a Twitter flash mob. There's a place for that type of anarchic rebellion, for sure.

The solution is really on the metaphysical plane though. The mass meditations Cobra is helping to organize may be the most important part of "the plan." At the end of the day, I'm not too invested in things like laws and governments. Being free or "sovereign" doesn't come from a constitution, it comes from awareness.

Fred and 9E9 awesome responses. What many do not take into account is "their" ability to have plans and schemes that are generational or longer in length. Each generation fulfills components of a plan that will benefit not only themselves but the next several generations. In turn they are benefiting from was done for them previously. They think in terms of hundreds of years while they have us all busily surviving on a paycheck to paycheck existence. The scope of what they do lasts hundreds and thousands of years. This is why they are so successful and why so many have trouble understanding what is going on.

I keep saying this: You will not know jack diddly unless you go back and view history with the eyes to see and a healthy dose of skepticism. You need to understand at least Egyptian, Greek and Roman history and the development of western civilization to grok this. They use history as a kind of a metaphorical way to communicate while making sure it is not taught to everyone.

[Unified Serenity]

We all need to stop participating in silly distractions such as this outrageous Drake Fulford Wilcock scenario, very little of it makes sense, and now it's beginning to focus on mass murder, not mass arrests. More importantly we all need to stop participating as much as possible on every level in the things that are causing us to be in the situation that we are finding ourselves in, which is poverty and slavery. We are financing and supporting the very things that are destroying us.....we are our own worst enemies, part of waking up is realizing this exact fact. Every one seems to be blaming the cabal only, but through our own actions (or in-actions) we have given them everything they need to successfully defeat us and, well, they are where they are because we have allowed it.....we have built the machine that the psychopaths are using against us now....in all truth, we the people own the world, not a small group of idiots that don't even care for it.

I wrote this a couple of years ago, hope it makes sense:

Understanding the importance of community is just one small ingredient of the "waking up" process. Not supporting your community physically/financially and spiritually/emotionally is actually a threat to your very own survival. The importance of community has become lost over the last several generations and must be found again.

Advertising, greed, and unethical behaviors cause us to ignore our communities. In turn, we end up supporting the very ones (outside of our communities) that are causing division, social stress, and financial harm. Thus communities are being destroyed from within through ignorance and deception.

Big business and multi-billion dollar corporations have caused us to forget the importance of "Community". Stop supporting the ones that are destroying this way of life!

More importantly, our communities have become chaotic spiritually and many people don't even know their next door neighbors any more, this is not the way it should be. Some people live their whole lifetime next to someone without even saying hello to them, I find this quite sad.

During this transformation process of awakening, we must always remember the importance of community and physically and spiritually return to this place where we all once were. It is one of many keys that will open doors to a harmony that we all are seeking.

A large part of waking up and moving forward is realizing that we must also at the same time return to a place that we all once were.

SilentFeathers....
6-15-2010

I love you Silent Feathers. You're words ring true as coming from your very large heart, and sadly what we see happening is all planned, imho. They, the ptb, cannot move their plan forward for a singular world currency and control of the masses of slaves who want to be taken care of without making us completely miserable. There will be wars, famines, pestilence, disasters, and the destruction of society as we have known it for hundreds of years. In doing all of this, the masses of people will eagerly embrace the new truth and illumination provided in the most astounding of ways. People feel a change is needed. People want peace and the only way to have them move forward according to their, the ptb, desires is to have no peace.

Sadly, the very things we abhor (slavery, controlled lives, imposed spirituality, fake saviors, controlling leaders) is exactly what we are going to get. Millions may die and millions more will cheer as the way is made smooth without interferance from those pesky naysayers. Just look how those who have promoted peace and unity are suddenly all for mass executions. Hitler did not happen overnight. Stalin did not happen overnight. There is a system and a method to agitate the people and play on their minds with ideals of purity and goodness if only the problem, whatever the named problem is, can be removed. We will have our great society, the Godman and woman to lead us into a new day.

No matter the future, my soul and spirit are set and comfortable. I fear not s/he who can destroy my flesh, but love and revere the one who made my very being and loved me enough to send me here to learn how to love even when it's tough love.

I bid you peace,

Serenity

[LarryC]

<< You missed the point - You see two possibilities only

a.) we must have a plan or
b.) we are defeated >>

I don't think I said that. It really depends on how you define "plan." I'm really a Taoist, so I'm not overly attached to traditional type plans. I only objected to the statement that ANY plan is necessarily bad. I try to avoid absolutes.

[SilentFeathers]

We all need to stop participating in silly distractions such as this outrageous Drake Fulford Wilcock scenario, very little of it makes sense, and now it's beginning to focus on mass murder, not mass arrests. More importantly we all need to stop participating as much as possible on every level in the things that are causing us to be in the situation that we are finding ourselves in, which is poverty and slavery. We are financing and supporting the very things that are destroying us.....we are our own worst enemies, part of waking up is realizing this exact fact. Every one seems to be blaming the cabal only, but through our own actions (or in-actions) we have given them everything they need to successfully defeat us and, well, they are where they are because we have allowed it.....we have built the machine that the psychopaths are using against us now....in all truth, we the people own the world, not a small group of idiots that don't even care for it.

I wrote this a couple of years ago, hope it makes sense:

Understanding the importance of community is just one small ingredient of the "waking up" process. Not supporting your community physically/financially and spiritually/emotionally is actually a threat to your very own survival. The importance of community has become lost over the last several generations and must be found again.

Advertising, greed, and unethical behaviors cause us to ignore our communities. In turn, we end up supporting the very ones (outside of our communities) that are causing division, social stress, and financial harm. Thus communities are being destroyed from within through ignorance and deception.

Big business and multi-billion dollar corporations have caused us to forget the importance of "Community". Stop supporting the ones that are destroying this way of life!

More importantly, our communities have become chaotic spiritually and many people don't even know their next door neighbors any more, this is not the way it should be. Some people live their whole lifetime next to someone without even saying hello to them, I find this quite sad.

During this transformation process of awakening, we must always remember the importance of community and physically and spiritually return to this place where we all once were. It is one of many keys that will open doors to a harmony that we all are seeking.

A large part of waking up and moving forward is realizing that we must also at the same time return to a place that we all once were.

SilentFeathers....
6-15-2010

I love you Silent Feathers. You're words ring true as coming from your very large heart, and sadly what we see happening is all planned, imho. They, the ptb, cannot move their plan forward for a singular world currency and control of the masses of slaves who want to be taken care of without making us completely miserable. There will be wars, famines, pestilence, disasters, and the destruction of society as we have known it for hundreds of years. In doing all of this, the masses of people will eagerly embrace the new truth and illumination provided in the most astounding of ways. People feel a change is needed. People want peace and the only way to have them move forward according to their, the ptb, desires is to have no peace.

Sadly, the very things we abhor (slavery, controlled lives, imposed spirituality, fake saviors, controlling leaders) is exactly what we are going to get. Millions may die and millions more will cheer as the way is made smooth without interferance from those pesky naysayers. Just look how those who have promoted peace and unity are suddenly all for mass executions. Hitler did not happen overnight. Stalin did not happen overnight. There is a system and a method to agitate the people and play on their minds with ideals of purity and goodness if only the problem, whatever the named problem is, can be removed. We will have our great society, the Godman and woman to lead us into a new day.

No matter the future, my soul and spirit are set and comfortable. I fear not s/he who can destroy my flesh, but love and revere the one who made my very being and loved me enough to send me here to learn how to love even when it's tough love.

I bid you peace,

Serenity

TPTB have taken out or thrown a wrench at troubles makers for stirring up less attention and trouble than what Drake is doing, they want him there IMO.....just like Santa Clause, they are making a list and checking it twice.

Now he's basically enticing armed action(s), well, we'll see.....I can pretty much see this isn't gonna turn out well.

[9eagle9]

Your pretty attached to Drake's plan to the point if someone is not with the program they are defeatist, when they are simply not being limited by someone elses plan.

You can plan or you can manifest. A plan requires one to wait, manifest does not.




<< You missed the point - You see two possibilities only

a.) we must have a plan or
b.) we are defeated >>

I don't think I said that. It really depends on how you define "plan." I'm really a Taoist, so I'm not overly attached to traditional type plans. I only objected to the statement that ANY plan is necessarily bad. I try to avoid absolutes.

[SilentFeathers]

Your pretty attached to Drake's plan to the point if someone is not with the program they are defeatist, when they are simply not being limited by someone elses plan.

You can plan or you can manifest. A plan requires one to wait, manifest does not.




<< You missed the point - You see two possibilities only

a.) we must have a plan or
b.) we are defeated >>

I don't think I said that. It really depends on how you define "plan." I'm really a Taoist, so I'm not overly attached to traditional type plans. I only objected to the statement that ANY plan is necessarily bad. I try to avoid absolutes.

I like how you use "plan" and "program" in the same sentence :)

[Kimberley]

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How to start a revolution: Learn from Iceland


"The people of Iceland forced their corrupt government to resign.
A public assembly was created to rewrite the constitution.
The banks were nationalized, it was decided not to pay the debt that PRIVATE banks created.
All of this in a peaceful way...
What would happen if the rest of the world took this as an example?"


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[LarryC]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Your pretty attached to Drake's plan to the point if someone is not with the program they are defeatist, when they are simply not being limited by someone elses plan. >>

Nope, once again I was responding to Fred Steeves' post where he said, "To plan a course of action, ANY course of action in this case, is playing on the Cabal's home turf, and playing by their rules."

That wasn't confined to Drake's plan, but includes any plan. The idea of manifesting rather than planning is nice, but most of us in 3D still have to do some kinds of planning. And to say that this inevitably means we're following the cabal is defeatist, because it would make one afraid to do almost anything.

[SKAWF]

i think none of this matters.

i cant help but think.....
it would make absolutely no difference at all to me...
whether i was a supporter or a nay sayer.

think about that......
it doesnt matter how much time or energy i put into this subject...
because it makes no difference at all.

except maybe i might be neglecting things in my own life that need attending to,
and that my attention is focused outside of myself.

it does my head in sometimes, because i can see this 'thing'
but locking into it so i can explain it, isnt so easy.

its not about the actual knowledge...
or the way it was taught
or the envioronment that the knowledge was imparted in.
it doesnt matter how much the school cost
or how comfortable your life is......

the stich up wasnt in the knowledge that was taught.

it was in the mechanism of the institution itself.

they changed a few of our own reference points from 'internal', to 'external'.
its not a question of substance. its an issue of polarity.

they knew though, that turning people inside/out like that
would create situations where we neglect our own internal selves
and if that isnt addressed, people end up going psycho.
so they created a massive system of external surrogates
which we connect to,
in the hope that we will satisfy the underlying burning desires bubbling within our own psyche.
its a sick joke really. you'll never sort out internal issues, by looking outside of yourself.
dammit, psychiatrists know about this.
you see adverts for things which have symbolism in them,
deliberately designed to appeal to aspects of ourselves that we have been neglecting.


you have to look inward.

your own path vs someone elses.

we dont actually need a plan.
all we have to do, is stop powering the system thats screwing with us.

getting back to the topic though.....

i was into all this for a while, then i lost interest.
no doubt there are a long list of distractors
all of them waiting in the wings, ready to present themselves at the right time.

but there will come a point where people will switch off to this kinda thing..
tptb will throw so much at us that it'll be instantly dismissed.
and they will lose, what has always been, a very fine balance of control.

[9eagle9]

Yes MOST of you in the 3d and unable to see beyond it do need to play to do something about it.

Starting with one's self so one can know how to manifest rather than waiting for dipwings like Drake to come along and be your leader.

Now would be good.



Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Your pretty attached to Drake's plan to the point if someone is not with the program they are defeatist, when they are simply not being limited by someone elses plan. >>

Nope, once again I was responding to Fred Steeves' post where he said, "To plan a course of action, ANY course of action in this case, is playing on the Cabal's home turf, and playing by their rules."

That wasn't confined to Drake's plan, but includes any plan. The idea of manifesting rather than planning is nice, but most of us in 3D still have to do some kinds of planning. And to say that this inevitably means we're following the cabal is defeatist, because it would make one afraid to do almost anything.

[Chester]

<< You missed the point - You see two possibilities only

a.) we must have a plan or
b.) we are defeated >>

I don't think I said that. It really depends on how you define "plan." I'm really a Taoist, so I'm not overly attached to traditional type plans. I only objected to the statement that ANY plan is necessarily bad. I try to avoid absolutes.

Thanks and I apologize I did not read that in what you wrote - it appears we perhaps share more common ground than I had imagined - thanks for further clarification, I still miss stuff even if its right in front of my face.

I just went back and re-read your post ... I am a goofball and can't understand how I missed your points as I agree! - again, apologies.

Funny too as I fell into the very trap I was trying to express was the trap!:o

[Chester]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Your pretty attached to Drake's plan to the point if someone is not with the program they are defeatist, when they are simply not being limited by someone elses plan. >>

Nope, once again I was responding to Fred Steeves' post where he said, "To plan a course of action, ANY course of action in this case, is playing on the Cabal's home turf, and playing by their rules."

That wasn't confined to Drake's plan, but includes any plan. The idea of manifesting rather than planning is nice, but most of us in 3D still have to do some kinds of planning. And to say that this inevitably means we're following the cabal is defeatist, because it would make one afraid to do almost anything.

Again, apologies, I agree with you entirely. What I took from Fred Steeve's post was from my experience that I have found I tend to have real good results from acting spontaneously these days... but perhaps that is a result of the really good place I am at right now in my personal life. Having said that though, I am aware of the situations on earth at this time and I am concerned and I really wish I could do something about it other than just work on my own, personal transformation.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Ok so, i have been trying to connect a few dots lately and i have come up with a frightening hypothesis. It's scary because if my hypothesis is correct, it is very close to materializing. Has anybody been listening to the alex jones show lately? If you have you will know that he has been taking phone calls from military and police to get their take on the latest police state actions. Quite a few of these callers have said that their superiors have been telling them to get ready to take on the american people and in particular the militias.

I am afraid that all this ra ra talk from drake about the american people and the militias taking back their country from the corrupt elites might, not only be a controlled opposition scenario, but might also be just the excuse the corrupt elites want to really clamp down with tyrannical police state actions.

Don't get me wrong, I think the american people do need to take back their country somehow. I'm just afraid that a militia uprising might not be the way to do it because the elites seem to be prepared for a situation like that.

Sorry I couldn't write too much because I am at work but here is a clip:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJY80D5eT0M

[gripreaper]

Oh I'm hip to the whole scene!

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQAG1TsKMiUG_3k9qltZqUyDdCelaHzNf7GiDRJSEphC8UikKUWSQ

[Bill Ryan]

Has anybody been listening to the alex jones show lately? If you have you will know that he has been taking phone calls from military and police to get their take on the latest police state actions. Quite a few of these callers have said that their superiors have been telling them to get ready to take on the american people and in particular the militias.

I am afraid that all this ra ra talk from drake about the american people and the militias taking back their country from the corrupt elites might not only be a controlled opposition scenario, but might also be just the excuse the corrupt elites want to really clamp down with tyrannical police state actions.

Yes... something like this is absolutely not impossible.

[Bill Ryan]

_______

On Ben Fulford's blog today (dated 26 June -- he's a day ahead of us in Tokyo):






There is a lot of talk of arrests this week, notably from “Drake,” however, our direct sources cannot confirm this. As David Icke pointed out, this writer has in the past quoted sources claiming deadlines that came and went with nothing happening. That is why we no longer quote specific deadlines.

[gripreaper]

_______

On Ben Fulford's blog today (dated 26 June -- he's a day ahead of us in Tokyo):






There is a lot of talk of arrests this week, notably from “Drake,” however, our direct sources cannot confirm this. As David Icke pointed out, this writer has in the past quoted sources claiming deadlines that came and went with nothing happening. That is why we no longer quote specific deadlines.

From David Icke's page:

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/June20128/burgers.jpg

[LarryC]

_______

On Ben Fulford's blog today (dated 26 June -- he's a day ahead of us in Tokyo):






There is a lot of talk of arrests this week, notably from “Drake,” however, our direct sources cannot confirm this. As David Icke pointed out, this writer has in the past quoted sources claiming deadlines that came and went with nothing happening. That is why we no longer quote specific deadlines.

I'm surprised to hear Benjamin Fulford quoting David Icke, as in one of his most recent interviews Icke says that both Fulford and David Wilcock are misinformed (though he doesn't think they are deliberately lying). I like David Icke, but I certainly don't take his statements at face value either -he's gotten info from a very wide range of sources over the years. He also says the moon is an artificial satellite created to be a spy station for TPTB. I'm not saying it's not true, but I don't believe it either, lol.

Right now I'm watching and listening with an open mind, and not believing or disbelieving anyone 100%.

[Bill Ryan]

_______

On Ben Fulford's blog today (dated 26 June -- he's a day ahead of us in Tokyo):






There is a lot of talk of arrests this week, notably from “Drake,” however, our direct sources cannot confirm this. As David Icke pointed out, this writer has in the past quoted sources claiming deadlines that came and went with nothing happening. That is why we no longer quote specific deadlines.

I'm surprised to hear Benjamin Fulford quoting David Icke, as in one of his most recent interviews Icke says that both Fulford and David Wilcock are misinformed (though he doesn't think they are deliberately lying). I like David Icke, but I certainly don't take his statements at face value either -he's gotten info from a very wide range of sources over the years. He also says the moon is an artificial satellite created to be a spy station for TPTB. I'm not saying it's not true, but I don't believe it either, lol.

David Icke is most definitely correct about Fulford and David Wilcock.

Re the Moon being hollow (not a spy station for TPTB -- I've never heard him claim that!. I believe he said it was a monitoring station for the ETs, which is not impossible to believe) -- here are a couple of interesting anecdotes from Inelia, dating from a little over a year ago.

She came up to me one day and said, "Did you know the Moon was hollow?" Apparently, she'd just paid a visit to take a look. I asked her if she'd read any of David Icke's (and others') writings on the subject -- and she had not. She came up with the report all by herself.

She had a similar experience concerning the Dulce base. She'd never heard of it before, and I just referenced to her its existence in northern New Mexico. That's all I mentioned to her.

She immediately "went" to check it out. She was quite shocked. "I saw all kinds of genetic experiments... horrible things happening there", she said. I asked her if she'd ever heard about any of that from any other source... and she had not.

[turiya]

_______

On Ben Fulford's blog today (dated 26 June -- he's a day ahead of us in Tokyo):






There is a lot of talk of arrests this week, notably from “Drake,” however, our direct sources cannot confirm this. As David Icke pointed out, this writer has in the past quoted sources claiming deadlines that came and went with nothing happening. That is why we no longer quote specific deadlines.

I'm surprised to hear Benjamin Fulford quoting David Icke, as in one of his most recent interviews Icke says that both Fulford and David Wilcock are misinformed (though he doesn't think they are deliberately lying). I like David Icke, but I certainly don't take his statements at face value either -he's gotten info from a very wide range of sources over the years. He also says the moon is an artificial satellite created to be a spy station for TPTB. I'm not saying it's not true, but I don't believe it either, lol.

David Icke is most definitely correct about Fulford and David Wilcock.

Re the Moon being hollow (not a spy station for TPTB -- I've never heard him claim that!. I believe he said it was a monitoring station for the ETs, which it's not impossible to believe) -- here are a couple of interesting anecdotes from Inelia, dating from a little over a year ago.

She came up to me one day and said, "Did you know the Moon was hollow?" Apparently, she'd just paid a visit to take a look. I asked her if she'd read any of David Icke's (and others') writings on the subject -- and she had not. She came up with the report all by herself.

She had a similar experience concerning the Dulce base. She'd never heard of it before, and I just referenced to her its existence in northern New Mexico. That's all I mentioned to her.

She immediately "went" to check it out. She was quite shocked. "I saw all kinds of genetic experiments... horrible things happening there", she said. I asked her if she'd ever heard about any of that from any other source... and she had not.

I forget the source, but from what I've heard is that to say that it is 'hollow' is a bit of a stretch. It would be better to say, more factual to say, that it is cavernous, or catacomb-like, beneath its surface, as a result of how it was formed, i.e. caused by gases during a cooling period.

[SKAWF]

David Icke is most definitely correct about Fulford and David Wilcock.

Re the Moon being hollow (not a spy station for TPTB -- I've never heard him claim that!) -- here's an interesting anecdote from Inelia, dating from a little over a year ago.

She came up to me one day and said, "Did you know the Moon was hollow?" She had apparently just paid a visit to take a look. I asked her if she'd read any of David Icke's (and others') writings on the subject -- and she had not. She came up with the information all by herself.

She had a similar experience concerning the Dulce base. She'd never heard of it before, and I just referenced its existence to her in northern New Mexico. That's all I mentioned to her.

She immediately "went" to check it out. She was quite shocked. "I saw all kinds of genetic experiments... horrible things happening there", she reported. I asked her if she'd ever heard about any of that from any other source... and she had not.

hi Bill

i was wondering how much credence you give to inelia's account that she

1, paid a visit to the moon and saw that it was 'hollow'
and
2, visited dulce air force base?

i'm just curious as to whether you believe those two things.

the reason is, that to use the term 'hollow' seems slightly odd.

for example, to us down here on earth, looking at the moon
we have a limited understanding of it.
knowing that it rang like a gong when they detonated explosives on it....
led them to that conclusion, that it was hollow.
a bit like a blind man tapping a drumstick on a football/

it doesnt sound like the kind of term one who had actually been there would use.

what we lack on earth, are the reasons and purpose behind the hollowing out.
the nearest stable conclusion we (here on earth) can reach is that it is hollow. no more

so why is someone who says she has been there,
unable to provide more than we already sort of knew on earth?.

i ask that hoping to avoid dragging up history.

cheers

steve

[Unified Serenity]

The moon is a giant geode and it's filled with pretty amethyst colors crystals.

[Bill Ryan]

David Icke is most definitely correct about Fulford and David Wilcock.

Re the Moon being hollow (not a spy station for TPTB -- I've never heard him claim that!) -- here's an interesting anecdote from Inelia, dating from a little over a year ago.

She came up to me one day and said, "Did you know the Moon was hollow?" She had apparently just paid a visit to take a look. I asked her if she'd read any of David Icke's (and others') writings on the subject -- and she had not. She came up with the information all by herself.

She had a similar experience concerning the Dulce base. She'd never heard of it before, and I just referenced its existence to her in northern New Mexico. That's all I mentioned to her.

She immediately "went" to check it out. She was quite shocked. "I saw all kinds of genetic experiments... horrible things happening there", she reported. I asked her if she'd ever heard about any of that from any other source... and she had not.

hi Bill

i was wondering how much credence you give to inelia's account that she

1, paid a visit to the moon and saw that it was 'hollow'
and
2, visited dulce air force base?

i'm just curious as to whether you believe those two things.

the reason is, that to use the term 'hollow' seems slightly odd.



"Hollow" was the exact word she used. And yes, I'm convinced Inelia had that ability, for sure. How the got the information (whether she "visited" astrally -- which is what she said -- or whether she just remote viewed the two locations), I'm not qualified to answer.

[peace]

David Icke is most definitely correct about Fulford and David Wilcock.

Re the Moon being hollow (not a spy station for TPTB -- I've never heard him claim that!) -- here's an interesting anecdote from Inelia, dating from a little over a year ago.

She came up to me one day and said, "Did you know the Moon was hollow?" She had apparently just paid a visit to take a look. I asked her if she'd read any of David Icke's (and others') writings on the subject -- and she had not. She came up with the information all by herself.

She had a similar experience concerning the Dulce base. She'd never heard of it before, and I just referenced its existence to her in northern New Mexico. That's all I mentioned to her.

She immediately "went" to check it out. She was quite shocked. "I saw all kinds of genetic experiments... horrible things happening there", she reported. I asked her if she'd ever heard about any of that from any other source... and she had not.

hi Bill

i was wondering how much credence you give to inelia's account that she

1, paid a visit to the moon and saw that it was 'hollow'
and
2, visited dulce air force base?

i'm just curious as to whether you believe those two things.

the reason is, that to use the term 'hollow' seems slightly odd.



"Hollow" was the exact word she used. And yes, I'm convinced Inelia had that ability, for sure. How the got the information (whether she "visited" astrally -- which is what she said -- or whether she just remote viewed the two locations), I'm not qualified to answer.

Hi,
Respectfully, how can we use this as reliable data? I've always had a bit of a problem with remote viewing/astral projection, et al. Just don't see how it can be quantified or used/deemed reliable.

[LarryC]

<< Re the Moon being hollow (not a spy station for TPTB -- I've never heard him claim that!. I believe he said it was a monitoring station for the ETs, which is not impossible to believe)...>>

I never read his book or watched his videos on that, so he probably didn't say exactly what I was paraphrasing above. I only browsed through the book where he discusses this, and read that the moon is an artificial construct and being used for harmful (to humans) purposes.

This definitely requires a shift in mindset for anyone who was influenced by neo-paganism, which worships the moon as the embodiment of the divine feminine or Goddess principle. Of course, I know some people believe all new age and neo-pagan thinking is part of the conspiracy, which I don't totally buy into. But, unlike Inelia Benz, I've never been to the moon, so I'm open to learning more about it!

[Whiskey_Mystic]

When I saw Mr. Icke in San Rafael, he spoke for about an hour on the moon being a massive mind control device exerting influence over us all.

[Ishtar]

I hope Ishtar will forgive me for the hard time I gave her a few months back.

Nothing to forgive, friend. We've all been finding our way through this mega-delusion, and ol' Drake even had me going for about the first two weeks.

The core of it is the alien agenda, which is at the heart of all of our governments, and they've been weaving that dream for us like Joseph's Coat of Many Colours long before most of us were born. It's been a very heavy trip, and it's taken most of our lives to fight our way out of it. Some are still stuck in there... and we're here to help.

In the upcoming years, it will be shown that most of us were born into a Freemason government-inspired opium dream, designed to make us fear 'them out there'. It's a formula that's been successful for millennia. Divide and rule, only usually the 'dem out there' are here on Earth. This time, they shot for the moon. The right hand glove puppet made us scared of 'dem out there' in outer space, with their nasty probes and abductions, and then the left hand glove puppet came in and told us that 'dem out there' were in fact the good guys now, 'long haired hippies from outa space' who had scared all the bad guys away. This is a tried and tested MKULTRA technique...by using the glove puppets alternately, they make their subjects so dizzy that they can no longer figure way which is up. I reckon that's why the channelling is sometimes so similar and sometimes so contradictory.

So my generation were the baby boomers ... you've heard of us? This enormous population explosion that happened after the Second World War. What a huge audience they had to play with, to manipulate, to brainwash... and what fun they had weaving our dreams for us with psychedelic drugs supplied by the CIA.

But we're waking up now. By waking up, I mean spiritually .... I don't conflate waking up spiritually with waking up politically... it's not the same thing at all.

We need to wake up spiritually ... all change grows from the inside out, not the outside in. Outside in kills life. Inside out supports life. It's a law of nature.

http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=311&d=1337160972


The political will then take care of itself. When we stand in our truth reached through our own power, and our own work, we will have achieved the purpose of our lives here in this weird and wonderful 3D trip we've found ourselves in this time around.

[StarDust]

When I saw Mr. Icke in San Rafael, he spoke for about an hour on the moon being a massive mind control device exerting influence over us all.

That is consistent with what Tolec recently reported with regard to a mind control grid that was put in place by the Draco reptilians thousands of years ago. Allegedly, it is a triangulated grid with outposts on Mars, Earth & the Moon and was designed to lower the vibration of the planet and prevent higher resonance energies flowing into Gaia.

Tolec Interview: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/ohioexopolitics/2012/04/29/tolec-gives-updates-on-reptilian-base-destruction

[foreverfan]

Getting back to Alex Jones... he is telling the Military what they will be used for. This is important because it will be up to each individual what they will do. The Military is in an interesting dilemma. They can take out the Cabal now or fight the American People in the streets later.

Which one makes the most sense? This is the only reason why I give Drake any credence since these are the only two possibilities.

[LarryC]

Getting back to Alex Jones... he is telling the Military what they will be used for. This is important because it will be up to each individual what they will do. The Military is in an interesting dilemma. They can take out the Cabal now or fight the American People in the streets later.

Which one makes the most sense? This is the only reason why I give Drake any credence since these are the only two possibilities.

Well, I'm sure many members of the military watch Alex Jones. Just as many support Ron Paul. In fact, according to some polls, more of them supported Paul than any other candidate. So we don't have to assume that they are all mindless supporters of the cabal.

[foreverfan]

Getting back to Alex Jones... he is telling the Military what they will be used for. This is important because it will be up to each individual what they will do. The Military is in an interesting dilemma. They can take out the Cabal now or fight the American People in the streets later.

Which one makes the most sense? This is the only reason why I give Drake any credence since these are the only two possibilities.

Well, I'm sure many members of the military watch Alex Jones. Just as many support Ron Paul. In fact, according to some polls, more of them supported Paul than any other candidate. So we don't have to assume that they are all mindless supporters of the cabal.

WHY IT DOESN'T MATTER IF DRAKE IS RIGHT OR WRONG.

How much of the Military actually heard what Drake or Jones say?
It comes down to this FACT... that they have no other choice in the matter. It will come down to trying to take the guns out of American's dead hands or eliminate the Cabal. I know at least 10 people who own enough guns and ammo themselves to take on a small police force. I think the Police is where we have little control. I've talked to two Policemen who know nothing on the subject. They are the real sheepeople as I see it. Will they unarm citizens? Will they be willing to die doing it? It's going to come to that one day.

This is why what Drake says makes so much sense and resonates with so many people.
It doesn't matter that nothing has happened yet because we all know something is going to happen. I seriously doubt the Military is going to sit by and let the bankers create one world Government where they are at the orders of Bankers. Once the Police wake the truck up, we will have our day. This is why Drake is so important. Don't forget to do your share. I've got a great idea, instead of complaining that Drake is a false prophet, why don't you try to wake people up with information that has nothing to do with Drake. Just get the word out. I for one refuses to shoot the messenger/Drake.

Make sure everybody sees the Thrive Movie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEV5AFFcZ-s).

These are 2 great videoes to send to people to get them to WAKE UP.
As of today, I've sent this to at least 20 people.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96c2wXcNA7A


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgcdRCWEt4Q

[9eagle9]

Does Alex mention why the American Citizens will be fought in the street considering that as a whole we aren't the ones quite responsible for the artificial banking and economies that have held us in a death grip for years. Is it because....say.....we had the temerity to notice this phenom.

Which would be quite reflective of the hostility shown to certain forum members who see where the whole drake thing is going, yet are somehow amiss for noticing it.

Funny how we create our realities.


Getting back to Alex Jones... he is telling the Military what they will be used for. This is important because it will be up to each individual what they will do. The Military is in an interesting dilemma. They can take out the Cabal now or fight the American People in the streets later.

Which one makes the most sense? This is the only reason why I give Drake any credence since these are the only two possibilities.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

If Drake adherents who claim to be so enlightened , and open to new ideas, and knowledeable about movies and things can't be woken up what makes you think the common MSM raddled citizen would be easier to wake up?

Just curious?

I'm sure lots of them would be interested, politely thank me and go back to their previously programmed lives.




Getting back to Alex Jones... he is telling the Military what they will be used for. This is important because it will be up to each individual what they will do. The Military is in an interesting dilemma. They can take out the Cabal now or fight the American People in the streets later.

Which one makes the most sense? This is the only reason why I give Drake any credence since these are the only two possibilities.

Well, I'm sure many members of the military watch Alex Jones. Just as many support Ron Paul. In fact, according to some polls, more of them supported Paul than any other candidate. So we don't have to assume that they are all mindless supporters of the cabal.


How much of the Military actually heard what Drake or Jones say?
It comes down to this FACT... that they have no other choice in the matter. It will come down to trying to take the guns out of American's dead hands or eliminate the Cabal. I know at least 10 people who own enough guns and ammo themselves to take on a small police force. I think the Police is where we have little control. I've talked to two Policemen who know nothing on the subject. They are the real sheepeople as I see it. Will they unarm citizens? Will they be willing to die doing it? It's going to come to that one day.

This is why what Drake says makes so much sense and resonates with so many people.
It doesn't matter that nothing has happened yet because we all know something is going to happen. I seriously doubt the Military is going to sit by and let the bankers create one world Government where they are at the orders of Bankers. Once the Police wake the truck up, we will have our day. This is why Drake is so important. Don't forget to do your share. I've got a great idea, instead of complaining that Drake is a false prophet, why don't you try to wake people up with information that has nothing to do with Drake. Just get the word out. Make sure everybody sees the Thrive Movie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEV5AFFcZ-s).

These are 2 great videoes to send to people.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96c2wXcNA7A


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgcdRCWEt4Q

[foreverfan]

Well 9eagle9... All you can do is try to awaken people so when the time comes, they will at least have a point of reference of truth. I will say, if you watch both of these videos, you will never look at TV news broadcasts the same.

That's a huge start. Please don't tell me that you already gave up.

As I see it.. you are either part of the problem or part of the solution.
You can choose to be part of the solution and spend your time continuing to awaken people instead of warning people here who should already know better that to believe everything Drake says. I for one don't care if Wilcock, Fulford or Drake is a fake.

It's the message that is so important. Don't miss this very important fact.
They have done an incredible job of getting the message out. I doubt any of us could have done so much. If none of their predictions come true... wait.... Something has to give. The status quo is impossible to maintain. Do your part to wake up the masses.

The journey of a thousand miles starts with first step. - Confucius

[SKAWF]

would that be 'Wake up! Wake up! save yourselves the house is on fire!'

or

'Wake up! Wake up! the house is on fire, someone will be along to save you presently?

:rolleyes:

[Bill Ryan]

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From http://americankabuki.blogspot.com/2012/06/drake-bailey.html:


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PRgFmhsJOuw/T-eALYj8L2I/AAAAAAAAC3w/JRMmOzBi3aw/s1600/Drake-Bailey-enhanced.png

(Not my text below. This is verbatim from American Kabuki (http://americankabuki.blogspot.com/2012/06/drake-bailey.html). -- BR)






Found this at Rumor Mill News this morning. The photo above is courtesy Stephen Cook, it appears to have been lifted from the video below. I've enhanced it best I could in Photoshop. Not sure why Drake is incognito if he's left footprints this big on the Internet. I don't know about you but Drake look seriously bad-ass. He's an interesting character, one that militias and bikers would take serious and follow. I wouldn't want to get on the bad side of this guy, but at the same time he seems like a guy that wouldn't hold a grudge if you said "I'm sorry" for messing with him. Someday someone will have to do a movie about this time period, its getting more interesting by the day. -AK





Posted at Rumor Mill News (http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=243480)
by Susoni
June 22, 2012 - 20:10:57

Since the beginning of 2012 an anonymous figure known as "Drake" has been circulating from David Wilcock, to Benjamin Fulford, to several different Internet Radio programs speaking about Mass Arrests of an International Banking Cabal, new technologies to be released, a new government, mass payouts to citizens, and a new Constitutional America. He is said to be the communications point of a World Wide Operation to clean the slate which involves coordination between secret societies and the military, as well as, an interim governing body.

Now, the mysterious Drake's Identity has now been confirmed as Drake Bailey, a Florida resident involved in the Militia and Patriots for America. In this video from 2010 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=XNKe0eCmLpQ), Drake talks about Chemtrails on with a Florida Local TV News station. Is Drake for real? Only time will tell however, who he is now no longer a topic for speculation.

http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/profile/DrakeBailey

[Chester]

"Hollow" was the exact word she used. And yes, I'm convinced Inelia had that ability, for sure. How the got the information (whether she "visited" astrally -- which is what she said -- or whether she just remote viewed the two locations), I'm not qualified to answer.

As for the moon, check out - Who Built the Moon?

Knight and Butler make compelling arguments. A summary -

"The authors of Civilization One return, bringing new evidence about the Moon that will shake up our world. Christopher Knight and Alan Butler realized that the ancient system of geometry they presented in their earlier, breakthrough study works as perfectly for the Moon as it does the Earth. They found a consistent sequence of integer numbers that they can apply to every major aspect of the Moon; no such pattern emerges for any other planet or moon in the solar system. In addition, Knight and Butler discovered that the Moon possesses few or no heavy metals and has no core—something that should not be possible. Their persuasive conclusion: if higher life only developed on Earth because the Moon is exactly what it is and where it is, it becomes unreasonable to cling to the idea that the Moon is a natural object—an idea with profound implications."

If one spends the time to read investigations such as this, the reasonable mind would question the Moon's supposed natural occurrence. Did it ever occur to the readers of this post the highly improbable fact that viewing from the earth to the sun, the moon covers the sun perfectly? What are the chances? As David Icke says, "Just a coincidence, nothing to worry about, mate." haha


With regards to Remote Viewing - I recommend Dale Graff's Tracks in the Psychic Wilderness and Ingo Swann's Penetration.

I have had correspondence with some of the participants of Project Stargate in relation to my own psi experiences - my personal specialty is with synchronicity creation (yes... I typed creation).

Because of my experiences in this regard, I have no doubt the remote viewing phenomena is not only possible but very real and being further developed within black projects after being "officially" abandoned twenty years ago.

I can understand the skeptic as I recall that when I was young and had not developed any tangible psi abilities I did not believe in the phenomena. But I can assure you, psi phenomena is very, very real - remote viewing being one of these psi talents.

justone

[foreverfan]

Ok... in case you miss understood... when I say get the word out... I don't mean pushing Drake, Wilcock, Fulford, Wood...

What I mean is that you get the word out about how this country has been hijacked by the Cabal. Listen, I personally could care less about Drake. This thread has become a joke because it misses the point.

I love my country and it's been hijacked period. It will fail without people realizing what is trying to be achieved. The only way people are going to take action when the time comes is to be informed that there is a freaking problem. The fence is being built around the sheepeople and people are barely noticing. While you clowns are knocking Drake and patting yourself on the back, you are doing little to help solve the problem. Please help people become aware to the problem.

I'm just trying to get people to notice what's taking place, so when the time comes of riots in the street (they're coming), they will know who's to blame and who's side to be on. Forget Drake for a second. It's his message that is SO IMPORTANT FOLKS. Maybe nobody is coming to save us and he's just full of nonsense. IT STILL DOESN'T MATTER. What matters is that there are people who are trying to kill us in mass. Our country has been taken over. I get madder than Alex Jones about it. I thought a forum like this would gravitate to this message and support the message if not the messenger.

LET'S GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT FINANCIAL TYRANNY. You don't have to mention Wilcock, Fulford, Drake, Wood, Icke, Jones or anybody to do this. They offer no proof except that it is happening. The videos I've posted should be enough to get people to look at the media and the politicians in a different light.

Everybody seems to be concerned about who's right and more importantly who's wrong.

NEWS FLASH... they're all wrong and they're all right. Imagine that. I don't agree with any of them 100% but I can't disagree with them 100% either.

So I won't kill the messenger, and choose to promote the message of Tyranny and Freedom. We can all agree on that.

FF

[aranuk]

Does Alex mention why the American Citizens will be fought in the street considering that as a whole we aren't the ones quite responsible for the artificial banking and economies that have held us in a death grip for years. Is it because....say.....we had the temerity to notice this phenom.

Which would be quite reflective of the hostility shown to certain forum members who see where the whole drake thing is going, yet are somehow amiss for noticing it.

Funny how we create our realities.


Getting back to Alex Jones... he is telling the Military what they will be used for. This is important because it will be up to each individual what they will do. The Military is in an interesting dilemma. They can take out the Cabal now or fight the American People in the streets later.

Which one makes the most sense? This is the only reason why I give Drake any credence since these are the only two possibilities.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

If Drake adherents who claim to be so enlightened , and open to new ideas, and knowledeable about movies and things can't be woken up what makes you think the common MSM raddled citizen would be easier to wake up?

Just curious?

I'm sure lots of them would be interested, politely thank me and go back to their previously programmed lives.




Getting back to Alex Jones... he is telling the Military what they will be used for. This is important because it will be up to each individual what they will do. The Military is in an interesting dilemma. They can take out the Cabal now or fight the American People in the streets later.

Which one makes the most sense? This is the only reason why I give Drake any credence since these are the only two possibilities.

Well, I'm sure many members of the military watch Alex Jones. Just as many support Ron Paul. In fact, according to some polls, more of them supported Paul than any other candidate. So we don't have to assume that they are all mindless supporters of the cabal.


How much of the Military actually heard what Drake or Jones say?
It comes down to this FACT... that they have no other choice in the matter. It will come down to trying to take the guns out of American's dead hands or eliminate the Cabal. I know at least 10 people who own enough guns and ammo themselves to take on a small police force. I think the Police is where we have little control. I've talked to two Policemen who know nothing on the subject. They are the real sheepeople as I see it. Will they unarm citizens? Will they be willing to die doing it? It's going to come to that one day.

This is why what Drake says makes so much sense and resonates with so many people.
It doesn't matter that nothing has happened yet because we all know something is going to happen. I seriously doubt the Military is going to sit by and let the bankers create one world Government where they are at the orders of Bankers. Once the Police wake the truck up, we will have our day. This is why Drake is so important. Don't forget to do your share. I've got a great idea, instead of complaining that Drake is a false prophet, why don't you try to wake people up with information that has nothing to do with Drake. Just get the word out. Make sure everybody sees the Thrive Movie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEV5AFFcZ-s).

These are 2 great videoes to send to people.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96c2wXcNA7A


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgcdRCWEt4Q

God, you just love stirring things up, creating confusion, misquoting people, putting words into their mouths they didn't say. You never give up ranting a load of crap. I am beginning to lose my patience with you lot.

Stan

[aranuk]

Does Alex mention why the American Citizens will be fought in the street considering that as a whole we aren't the ones quite responsible for the artificial banking and economies that have held us in a death grip for years. Is it because....say.....we had the temerity to notice this phenom.

Which would be quite reflective of the hostility shown to certain forum members who see where the whole drake thing is going, yet are somehow amiss for noticing it.

Funny how we create our realities.


Getting back to Alex Jones... he is telling the Military what they will be used for. This is important because it will be up to each individual what they will do. The Military is in an interesting dilemma. They can take out the Cabal now or fight the American People in the streets later.

Which one makes the most sense? This is the only reason why I give Drake any credence since these are the only two possibilities.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

If Drake adherents who claim to be so enlightened , and open to new ideas, and knowledeable about movies and things can't be woken up what makes you think the common MSM raddled citizen would be easier to wake up?

Just curious?

I'm sure lots of them would be interested, politely thank me and go back to their previously programmed lives.




Getting back to Alex Jones... he is telling the Military what they will be used for. This is important because it will be up to each individual what they will do. The Military is in an interesting dilemma. They can take out the Cabal now or fight the American People in the streets later.

Which one makes the most sense? This is the only reason why I give Drake any credence since these are the only two possibilities.

Well, I'm sure many members of the military watch Alex Jones. Just as many support Ron Paul. In fact, according to some polls, more of them supported Paul than any other candidate. So we don't have to assume that they are all mindless supporters of the cabal.


How much of the Military actually heard what Drake or Jones say?
It comes down to this FACT... that they have no other choice in the matter. It will come down to trying to take the guns out of American's dead hands or eliminate the Cabal. I know at least 10 people who own enough guns and ammo themselves to take on a small police force. I think the Police is where we have little control. I've talked to two Policemen who know nothing on the subject. They are the real sheepeople as I see it. Will they unarm citizens? Will they be willing to die doing it? It's going to come to that one day.

This is why what Drake says makes so much sense and resonates with so many people.
It doesn't matter that nothing has happened yet because we all know something is going to happen. I seriously doubt the Military is going to sit by and let the bankers create one world Government where they are at the orders of Bankers. Once the Police wake the truck up, we will have our day. This is why Drake is so important. Don't forget to do your share. I've got a great idea, instead of complaining that Drake is a false prophet, why don't you try to wake people up with information that has nothing to do with Drake. Just get the word out. Make sure everybody sees the Thrive Movie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEV5AFFcZ-s).

These are 2 great videoes to send to people.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96c2wXcNA7A


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgcdRCWEt4Q

Drake adherents DO NOT claim to be enlightened. Where in your distorted imagination did you come up with that piece of nonsense?

Give us a break.

Attack the cabal with the same kind of venom as you do honest and worthy people here on Avalon. Find something else to do.

Stan

[aranuk]

Fred these are masters of psychology who have honed their craft over a course of a thousand years by means overt, covert and occult in nature. A few ra ra cheerleaders who have just gotten a clue in the last few months, weeks, or years of just looking at the surface of the manipulation, just becoming aware of the surface of the manipulation , not HOW we have been manipulated, think they are going to out wit them . None of them have looked to see HOW they have been manipulated in the past or done the neccessary sort of work that one does to avoid manipulation . You will not see these adherents inhabiting those sorts of threads either because those threads do not offer stories but solutions. People want stories.

People like myself who have studied for decades how the psyche is manipulated have had a challenge holding my OWN ground in this grand illusion, but clearly see the same manipulation occurring here that the master planners use.

Those who have not studied for decades don't, and you can't tell them.

We have been given one thing, one gift to manage and that is our own lives, and we have the means and the tools to do so.

People are sending a direct message to whomever may be listening that they do not want to manage their lives, they want someone else to make the determination of their destiny for them.

perhaps they really are just mean to be cattle and have no recourse . For those who have dug down deep enough to realize they are not a herd animal we will continue to find , excavate and use the means and tools to manage our own lives.

How eleven people here can say thanks to that ramble, beats me.

Stan

[9eagle9]

In 1984 I told a young man about my age that his parents were about to divorce and I got the flaying of a lifetime and then his parents got divorced and then I was no longer a freak but a prophet and rinse and repeat.... 1999 I told everyone who would listen that George Bush would be the cookie, the catalyst, the early warning red flag, and the events that would bring down America would revolve around his presence in the White House.

I have made numerous comments that Kissinger and Cheney are far too old to still be alive and raising so much hell and dammit I'm such a bitch for noticing.

I was A) a freak, ignorant , negative, unenlightened bitch then. (and again in 2004) By 2005 I was a B) prophet. By 2006 I was back to being A.

In 2008 the day before the election I went on live TV and told everyone that Obama would win by a landslide. That was at 4 in the afternoon, by 8 pm I had so much hatemail simply for stating that Obama would win by a landslide (i never mentioned that I was happy/sad that he would) just the fact I predicted that was enough to get the herd stampeding, so it was A then a day later it was A (it was my fault that Obama won btw because I went on the news and said so like if I had the power to put someone in office I'd put myself there) then after a while it was B, and whatever.

I predicted my mother would die in June 2009 and everyone was pissed. I inadvertently did something that made her come back from the dead and everyone was pissed. I abate a life long case of shingles in a woman and she was pissed.

I'm over it, okay? I really don't care who is pissed. All I know is that I am a system buster and that is all I have to do.

I've made predictions in this forum squarely putting myself in A and then the next day I'm B again (like some weird convertible bra person)

I have made countless speculative logic predictions and I was met with the same "Oh my god your soo negative" UNTIL after the fact when I became B again, which only lasted until the next speculation that no one wanted to here then it was back to A, to B, to A, to B.

In the early 2000 I was pretty much certain that David Wilcocks wasn't Edgar Cayce and of course I was this wretched dirt bag raining on everyone's ascension parade.

I predicted in 2000 that abortion wouldn't be struck downduring the next decade and I was this horrid beast then too (and now).

So instead of getting frustrated by this I shrug it off, its not that people are ignorant....they don't care. Here and out there. All the same to me. I'd be perfectly happy if what Drake says will occur, it doesn't affect me either way.


I have been 'enlightening people' for a quite a long time now . People like to think I fell off the hay wagon last night but my family could tell you I've been making onersome speculations that they didn't particularly like to hear since I was a child (unless of course its something they want to hear). I can predict someone will get a bug up their arse about this post. The better part of metaphysics isn't making predictions but being aware of repeated patterns of events.

Given up. No. I'm just back to A.

I'm sure that Drake exists (duh) , he's probably military in some fashion or another, I'm sure he believes very much in his story. I don't give a **** if his name is Drake or Donald, no one uses their real name anymore even in the forum or convert to some new age star name.

Of course the banks are collapsing (I have been around at least since 08) yes the military is massing, yes the ptb sucks, the economy is artificial, money is fiat, yes yes yes.---I've known that for YEARS....Every family branch of the ptb has an army a letter agency, the GSI, the GIS, which no one knows about but will in the next year or two and someone will be pissed at me then too.

People were writing about this stuff in the 80's and my pot smoking hippy dippy government teacher was talking about it in the 80's. We've had martial law for a LONG time its just that we're so infiltrated we don't see it for what it is.

What I don't believe is this is going to go down the way claimed. After all it already hasn't half a dozen times.



Well 9eagle9... All you can do is try to awaken people so when the time comes, they will at least have a point of reference of truth. I will say, if you watch both of these videos, you will never look at TV news broadcasts the same.

That's a huge start. Please don't tell me that you already gave up.

As I see it.. you are either part of the problem or part of the solution.
You can choose to be part of the solution and spend your time continuing to awaken people instead of warning people here who should already know better that to believe everything Drake says. I for one don't care if Wilcock, Fulford or Drake is a fake.

It's the message that is so important. Don't miss this very important fact.
They have done an incredible job of getting the message out. I doubt any of us could have done so much. If none of their predictions come true... wait.... Something has to give. The status quo is impossible to maintain. Do your part to wake up the masses.

The journey of a thousand miles starts with first step. - Confucius

[Unified Serenity]

Nicely said 9eagle9. I quit sharing prediction years ago because of all the flack for what's said, then the dog and pony show crap, and of course the A to B to A to B. You're awesome as you, and I for one appreciate your salient insights.

[9eagle9]

I'm sure it eludes you Stan, how eleven people can thank that ramble. That may be where you problem lies at, not that those eleven people thanked the post...but you can't comprehend what they are comprehending.




Fred these are masters of psychology who have honed their craft over a course of a thousand years by means overt, covert and occult in nature. A few ra ra cheerleaders who have just gotten a clue in the last few months, weeks, or years of just looking at the surface of the manipulation, just becoming aware of the surface of the manipulation , not HOW we have been manipulated, think they are going to out wit them . None of them have looked to see HOW they have been manipulated in the past or done the neccessary sort of work that one does to avoid manipulation . You will not see these adherents inhabiting those sorts of threads either because those threads do not offer stories but solutions. People want stories.

People like myself who have studied for decades how the psyche is manipulated have had a challenge holding my OWN ground in this grand illusion, but clearly see the same manipulation occurring here that the master planners use.

Those who have not studied for decades don't, and you can't tell them.

We have been given one thing, one gift to manage and that is our own lives, and we have the means and the tools to do so.

People are sending a direct message to whomever may be listening that they do not want to manage their lives, they want someone else to make the determination of their destiny for them.

perhaps they really are just mean to be cattle and have no recourse . For those who have dug down deep enough to realize they are not a herd animal we will continue to find , excavate and use the means and tools to manage our own lives.

How eleven people here can say thanks to that ramble, beats me.

Stan

[foreverfan]

In 1984 I told a young man about my age that his parents were about to divorce and I got the flaying of a lifetime and then his parents got divorced and then I was no longer a freak but a prophet and rinse and repeat.... 1999 I told everyone who would listen that George Bush would be the cookie, the catalyst, the early warning red flag, and the events that would bring down America would revolve around his presence in the White House.

I have made numerous comments that Kissinger and Cheney are far too old to still be alive and raising so much hell and dammit I'm such a bitch for noticing.

I was A) a freak, ignorant , negative, unenlightened bitch then. (and again in 2004) By 2005 I was a B) prophet. By 2006 I was back to being A.

In 2008 the day before the election I went on live TV and told everyone that Obama would win by a landslide. That was at 4 in the afternoon, by 8 pm I had so much hatemail simply for stating that Obama would win by a landslide (i never mentioned that I was happy/sad that he would) just the fact I predicted that was enough to get the herd stampeding, so it was A then a day later it was A (it was my fault that Obama won btw because I went on the news and said so like if I had the power to put someone in office I'd put myself there) then after a while it was B, and whatever.

I predicted my mother would die in June 2009 and everyone was pissed. I inadvertently did something that made her come back from the dead and everyone was pissed. I abate a life long case of shingles in a woman and she was pissed.

I'm over it, okay? I really don't care who is pissed. All I know is that I am a system buster and that is all I have to do.

I've made predictions in this forum squarely putting myself in A and then the next day I'm B again (like some weird convertible bra person)

I have made countless speculative logic predictions and I was met with the same "Oh my god your soo negative" UNTIL after the fact when I became B again, which only lasted until the next speculation that no one wanted to here then it was back to A, to B, to A, to B.

In the early 2000 I was pretty much certain that David Wilcocks wasn't Edgar Cayce and of course I was this wretched dirt bag raining on everyone's ascension parade.

I predicted in 2000 that abortion wouldn't be struck downduring the next decade and I was this horrid beast then too (and now).

So instead of getting frustrated by this I shrug it off, its not that people are ignorant....they don't care. Here and out there. All the same to me. I'd be perfectly happy if what Drake says will occur, it doesn't affect me either way.


I have been 'enlightening people' for a quite a long time now . People like to think I fell off the hay wagon last night but my family could tell you I've been making onersome speculations that they didn't particularly like to hear since I was a child (unless of course its something they want to hear). I can predict someone will get a bug up their arse about this post. The better part of metaphysics isn't making predictions but being aware of repeated patterns of events.

Given up. No. I'm just back to A.

I'm sure that Drake exists (duh) , he's probably military in some fashion or another, I'm sure he believes very much in his story. I don't give a **** if his name is Drake or Donald, no one uses their real name anymore even in the forum or convert to some new age star name.

Of course the banks are collapsing (I have been around at least since 08) yes the military is massing, yes the ptb sucks, the economy is artificial, money is fiat, yes yes yes.---I've known that for YEARS....Every family branch of the ptb has an army a letter agency, the GSI, the GIS, which no one knows about but will in the next year or two and someone will be pissed at me then too.

People were writing about this stuff in the 80's and my pot smoking hippy dippy government teacher was talking about it in the 80's. We've had martial law for a LONG time its just that we're so infiltrated we don't see it for what it is.

What I don't believe is this is going to go down the way claimed. After all it already hasn't half a dozen times.



Well 9eagle9... All you can do is try to awaken people so when the time comes, they will at least have a point of reference of truth. I will say, if you watch both of these videos, you will never look at TV news broadcasts the same.

That's a huge start. Please don't tell me that you already gave up.

As I see it.. you are either part of the problem or part of the solution.
You can choose to be part of the solution and spend your time continuing to awaken people instead of warning people here who should already know better that to believe everything Drake says. I for one don't care if Wilcock, Fulford or Drake is a fake.

It's the message that is so important. Don't miss this very important fact.
They have done an incredible job of getting the message out. I doubt any of us could have done so much. If none of their predictions come true... wait.... Something has to give. The status quo is impossible to maintain. Do your part to wake up the masses.

The journey of a thousand miles starts with first step. - Confucius

That's all fine and dandy, but can that be used for something positive?
The problem as I see it is when the whole world comes down, will people be educated enough to see through what they may be hearing on TV? This is where you can help people learn so when the time comes, they can think for themselves.

Just help get the message out about the Cabal, eagle.
Forget the name calling since it solves nothing and wastes time. I get the message out everyday to people without ever mentioning of these people's name since they offer no proof. There is a ton of proof to the problem weather Drake/Wilcock/Fulford/Wood/LadyDragon/Cobra/Icke/Jones or anybody is right or wrong. You just want people to notice the problem. They know something is wrong although they can't put their finger on it. I put their finger on it instead of trying to shove it up their....

FF

[9eagle9]

No one pays attention to the positive things I say because it doesn't fit in with their comprehension level. So I focus on those people who want to help themselves not those who want stories but an expression of change startign in their life...now. Not in the future.

People as Stan has demonstrated do not have the ABILITY, the resources, the wherewithall to comprehend, understand or undertake that which is 'positive' or rather just plain old neccessary for people if they want to orchestrate their destiny.

[aranuk]

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On Ben Fulford's blog today (dated 26 June -- he's a day ahead of us in Tokyo):






There is a lot of talk of arrests this week, notably from “Drake,” however, our direct sources cannot confirm this. As David Icke pointed out, this writer has in the past quoted sources claiming deadlines that came and went with nothing happening. That is why we no longer quote specific deadlines.

I'm surprised to hear Benjamin Fulford quoting David Icke, as in one of his most recent interviews Icke says that both Fulford and David Wilcock are misinformed (though he doesn't think they are deliberately lying). I like David Icke, but I certainly don't take his statements at face value either -he's gotten info from a very wide range of sources over the years. He also says the moon is an artificial satellite created to be a spy station for TPTB. I'm not saying it's not true, but I don't believe it either, lol.

David Icke is most definitely correct about Fulford and David Wilcock.

Re the Moon being hollow (not a spy station for TPTB -- I've never heard him claim that!. I believe he said it was a monitoring station for the ETs, which is not impossible to believe) -- here are a couple of interesting anecdotes from Inelia, dating from a little over a year ago.

She came up to me one day and said, "Did you know the Moon was hollow?" Apparently, she'd just paid a visit to take a look. I asked her if she'd read any of David Icke's (and others') writings on the subject -- and she had not. She came up with the report all by herself.

She had a similar experience concerning the Dulce base. She'd never heard of it before, and I just referenced to her its existence in northern New Mexico. That's all I mentioned to her.

She immediately "went" to check it out. She was quite shocked. "I saw all kinds of genetic experiments... horrible things happening there", she said. I asked her if she'd ever heard about any of that from any other source... and she had not.

Bill with respect Sir, I have to ask you, do you believe what Inelia said to your questions? How can you believe that she didn't know about the hollow Earth talk? For God's sake I had heard about it and I am not any kind of celebrity on the alternative media side of things. I have read about Dulce base, but you actually believed she had never read about it or heard about it. Well Sir, you called people here gullible that believed in what Drake was saying. My, my, who believed that Charles/Atticus was the real deal, not I the gullible? A dictum of wisdom I learned as a small boy was that those in glass houses should not throw stones.

I rest my case.

Stan

[aranuk]

I'm sure it eludes you Stan, how eleven people can thank that ramble. That may be where you problem lies at, not that those eleven people thanked the post...but you can't comprehend what they are comprehending.




Fred these are masters of psychology who have honed their craft over a course of a thousand years by means overt, covert and occult in nature. A few ra ra cheerleaders who have just gotten a clue in the last few months, weeks, or years of just looking at the surface of the manipulation, just becoming aware of the surface of the manipulation , not HOW we have been manipulated, think they are going to out wit them . None of them have looked to see HOW they have been manipulated in the past or done the neccessary sort of work that one does to avoid manipulation . You will not see these adherents inhabiting those sorts of threads either because those threads do not offer stories but solutions. People want stories.

People like myself who have studied for decades how the psyche is manipulated have had a challenge holding my OWN ground in this grand illusion, but clearly see the same manipulation occurring here that the master planners use.

Those who have not studied for decades don't, and you can't tell them.

We have been given one thing, one gift to manage and that is our own lives, and we have the means and the tools to do so.

People are sending a direct message to whomever may be listening that they do not want to manage their lives, they want someone else to make the determination of their destiny for them.

perhaps they really are just mean to be cattle and have no recourse . For those who have dug down deep enough to realize they are not a herd animal we will continue to find , excavate and use the means and tools to manage our own lives.

How eleven people here can say thanks to that ramble, beats me.

Stan

There are many things I don't know of. I am still learning things by the day. I do not profess to be all knowledgeable as some people like yourself seem to infer.

Stan

[foreverfan]

Then we are on the same page. All I'm asking is that we stop the senseless, mindless pissing contests.

Lets get on board with helping the motley crew of messengers we do have get the message out without mentioning their names or giving them credit... fair enough? There are countless youtube videos you can recommend to people to get them started in the process.

The major problem I have is getting people to want to watch a video they basically have been taught to disagree with. They have been programmed to not want to wake up. Most are just too set in their freaking ways. While people will spend 3 hours a night on sports center, they won't spend 45 minutes on a great documentary. They would rather watch 3 hours of Fox, CNN or worse MSNBC, but will only give lip service to anything of real value.

You see... I figure on some level everyone here is on the same side. I'm not spending my time on the negative. Let's get together and come up with an effective plan that works to wake people up.

FF

[9eagle9]

Well Stan, there are people, myself among them, that see the truth as something that is self evident not something that needs to be updated and clarified every ten minutes.

Hows that?

¤=[Post Update]=¤

WE have bit of problem here. See.... I AM putting the word out.

You don't like the words I am putting out but...that's your problem.

And I communicate ever so much better with people who have the ability to comprehend what I am saying.


Then we are on the same page. All I'm asking is that we stop the senseless, mindless pissing contests.

Lets get on board with helping the motley crew of messengers we do have get the message out without mentioning their names or giving them credit... fair enough? There are countless youtube videos you can recommend to people to get them started in the process.

The major problem I have is getting people to want to watch a video they basically have been taught to disagree with. They have been programmed to not want to wake up. Most are just too set in their freaking ways. While people will spend 3 hours a night on sports center, they won't spend 45 minutes on a great documentary. They would rather watch 3 hours of Fox, CNN or worse MSNBC, but will only give lip service to anything of real value.

You see... I figure on some level everyone here is on the same side. I'm not spending my time on the negative. Let's get together and come up with an effective plan that works to wake people up.

FF

[foreverfan]

I don't know Stan... Looking at your avatar, it looks like you've graduated the school of hard knocks more than a few years ago... or as my mother told me... with age comes wisdom.

Remember guys... we're all on the same side. Play nice... and if you have a personal debate, take it to PMs. The forum is no place for it.

Thanks....

FF

[9eagle9]

Okay. This is as nice as it gets.

There are no less than five active threads on this forum about what keeps people asleep.

I am participating in most of them.

I note, Forever Fan that you are not and Stan isn't either.

No one in those threads said I was negative or not nice.

Now...this sort of stuff in this thread KEEPs people asleep. So I'm not nice here.

If you want me to be nice and positive go visit one of "What keeps people asleep threads".

I note a number of Naysayers in this thread are posting very positively in those threads.


I am getting the 'word' out there. I very much don't think, in spite of my positive attitude,you'll much like what is being said in those threads either. But no one has accused me of not being positive or not getting the word out about what keeps people asleep. One has to know what is keeping one asleep before they can wake up.

The 'alarmist' clock doesn't work much.

I
Then we are on the same page. All I'm asking is that we stop the senseless, mindless pissing contests.

Lets get on board with helping the motley crew of messengers we do have get the message out without mentioning their names or giving them credit... fair enough? There are countless youtube videos you can recommend to people to get them started in the process.

The major problem I have is getting people to want to watch a video they basically have been taught to disagree with. They have been programmed to not want to wake up. Most are just too set in their freaking ways. While people will spend 3 hours a night on sports center, they won't spend 45 minutes on a great documentary. They would rather watch 3 hours of Fox, CNN or worse MSNBC, but will only give lip service to anything of real value.

You see... I figure on some level everyone here is on the same side. I'm not spending my time on the negative. Let's get together and come up with an effective plan that works to wake people up.

FF

[gripreaper]

Come on Man, we all agree that the world is in trouble and we need to do something about it. Each of us individually and collectively needs to do what we can. Some of these things are not exclusive to Drakes message, such as:

1. Get your own fiscal house in order. This means eliminate your debt; get your budget expenses in line below your income.
2. Buy local and support your local community businesses, and quit supporting the global corporatocracy as much as possible.
3. Put away some long term storage of basic commodities to last about six months.
4. Share with your family and friends what is going on with the elite and the Federal Reserve and the fiat debt based system, and how all roads lead to the 1%.
5. Detox your system and ingest a high rate of organic food and water. Exercise regularly.
6. Participate in skirmishes, mudslinging and name calling on the Avalon forum.

OK, just kidding about the last one, but where the disagreement comes is how we go about fixing the stranglehold the elite psychopaths at the top of the power pyramid have on planet earth. No one here disagrees about the problem, just how to get to a solution.

When it comes to good ET’s blowing up evil motherships to rescue soul groups who are being tortured and used in genetic experiments and as food, and it is proclaimed by the likes of Cobra, who is an emissary from the Pleidian’s, who uses a voice over disguise to speak to us, tells us that all the bad guy ET’s are all gone now, so when you see ET’s don’t shoot at them because they are all good, and these good ET’s are spreading deadly Stardust to take out the elite by rendering their nervous systems inoperable which kills them because of a Cosmic Decree from the Central Sun, and Lady Dragon, the self proclaimed world famous video game promoter who everybody who is anybody in the whole world is in touch with because we will all be in a game at some point, who google has blacklisted and stopped her important message getting out to the world, who has been to the Playboy Mansion as one of her credits, espouses that we should follow what she and Cobra and Drake are saying and doing, Drake who is an old E-3 from the military, who is the self proclaimed liaison for the greatest transformation to face this planet in 26,000 years, who has sent a letter of ultimatum to the joint chiefs of staff on a Saturday through a secretary and warned them if they did not arrest the cabal and get back to him right away, since he has the tactical connections and knowhow and willingness, and his proclamation that the military's time is up to take action, that he is going to take matters into his own hands and call up the peoples militia and get the US Republic back the way it used to be and make sure NESARA is implemented and the collateral accounts are distributed to everybody since the Bureau of International Settlements has been cut off and shut down by the Keenan liens and it’s all going to go down real soon…

Please don’t be dismayed by those of us who might question this. OK? There has to be another way.

[sygh]

Some people aren't going to "wake up", so to speak -and that's the way it really is. That's the way its always been with people. Most revolutions or revolts are fought by approximately 1% or less of a population. If more do get involved, they do so by following a strong leader. Freaky, isn't it. It probably has something to do with wanting to survive to tell the tale. Its hard to throw a revolution when everybody isn't on the same page. That, said, so much is happening right now that is absolutley so in your face, you'd think it would be different because what's happening seems obvious to you. Its hard to believe others can't see the elephant in the room. Is the elephant really all that invisible to the masses?

Many do see the elephant in the room, and are trying very hard to take care of it as best they can... in their own ways. These people aren't exactly burying their heads in the sand, they are simply waiting for the other shoe to fall one way or the other, as they work their hinnies off trying to make ends meet.

These days, all an employer has to do is follow a person's trail in the net, and from there they can size a person up. It reminds me of the McCarthy Era in this country when our government went hunting for communists. I've heard full grown adults passing judgement on kids from their facebook presence but to believe that phenomina is exclusive to sizing up a kid would be folly, right? Right. I have a facebook page, and I don't smoke pot but some friends I had from childhood still do and constantly post for legalizing reefer. Guilt by association, eh? Some people want to keep their jobs. Some people are silent but just because they aren't making a big to-do doesn't mean they aren't aware. When the ****e hits the fan, these are the people who, like cream, will rise to the top. Because they are solid individuals who do what they say they will do. But you won't catch them stirring the pot.

Think about it, the logistics of a revolt alone... When people get mad enough, or hungry enough, or fed up enough, the pressure will blow the lid off. IMO, "the NWO Empire", as it exists, is doomed but I'm more concerned with what will fill the void because our natural resources are flailing.
Take heart.

[aranuk]

Come on Man, we all agree that the world is in trouble and we need to do something about it. Each of us individually and collectively needs to do what we can. Some of these things are not exclusive to Drakes message, such as:

1. Get your own fiscal house in order. This means eliminate your debt; get your budget expenses in line below your income.
2. Buy local and support your local community businesses, and quit supporting the global corporatocracy as much as possible.
3. Put away some long term storage of basic commodities to last about six months.
4. Share with your family and friends what is going on with the elite and the Federal Reserve and the fiat debt based system, and how all roads lead to the 1%.
5. Detox your system and ingest a high rate of organic food and water. Exercise regularly.
6. Participate in skirmishes, mudslinging and name calling on the Avalon forum.

OK, just kidding about the last one, but where the disagreement comes is how we go about fixing the stranglehold the elite psychopaths at the top of the power pyramid have on planet earth. No one here disagrees about the problem, just how to get to a solution.

When it comes to good ET’s blowing up evil motherships to rescue soul groups who are being tortured and used in genetic experiments and as food, and it is proclaimed by the likes of Cobra, who is an emissary from the Pleidian’s, who uses a voice over disguise to speak to us, tells us that all the bad guy ET’s are all gone now, so when you see ET’s don’t shoot at them because they are all good, and these good ET’s are spreading deadly Stardust to take out the elite by rendering their nervous systems inoperable which kills them because of a Cosmic Decree from the Central Sun, and Lady Dragon, the self proclaimed world famous video game promoter who everybody who is anybody in the whole world is in touch with because we will all be in a game at some point, who has been to the Playboy Mansion as one of her credits, espouses that we should follow what she and Cobra and Drake are saying and doing, Drake who is an old E-3 from the military, who is the self proclaimed liaison for the greatest transformation to face this planet in 26,000 years, who has sent a letter of ultimatum to the joint chiefs of staff on a Saturday through a secretary and warned them if they did not arrest the cabal and get back to him right away, since he has the tactical connections and knowhow and willingness, and his proclamation that the military's time is up to take action, that he is going to take matters into his own hands and call up the peoples militia and get the US Republic back the way it used to be and make sure NESARA is implemented and the collateral accounts are distributed to everybody since the Bureau of International Settlements has been cut off and shut down by the Keenan liens and it’s all going to go down real soon…

Please don’t be dismayed by those of us who might question this. OK? There has to be another way.

And what on earth could that be GR?

Stan

[humanalien]

Well Stan, there are people, myself among them, that see the truth as something that is self evident not something that needs to be updated and clarified every ten minutes.

Hows that?

¤=[Post Update]=¤

WE have bit of problem here. See.... I AM putting the word out.

You don't like the words I am putting out but...that's your problem.

And I communicate ever so much better with people who have the ability to comprehend what I am saying.


Then we are on the same page. All I'm asking is that we stop the senseless, mindless pissing contests.

Lets get on board with helping the motley crew of messengers we do have get the message out without mentioning their names or giving them credit... fair enough? There are countless youtube videos you can recommend to people to get them started in the process.

The major problem I have is getting people to want to watch a video they basically have been taught to disagree with. They have been programmed to not want to wake up. Most are just too set in their freaking ways. While people will spend 3 hours a night on sports center, they won't spend 45 minutes on a great documentary. They would rather watch 3 hours of Fox, CNN or worse MSNBC, but will only give lip service to anything of real value.

You see... I figure on some level everyone here is on the same side. I'm not spending my time on the negative. Let's get together and come up with an effective plan that works to wake people up.

FF

I hear ya man. Your problems remind me of people in N.Y, after 9-11 happened.
Some other people that had researched the whole 9-11 thing and came up with the
conclusion that it was not terrorist that blew up those buildings, but our own
government. When the New Yorkers were shown proof of it, they laughed at the
researchers, called them names and threatened to beat the hell out of them because
mainstream media had already done it's job on them.

Like you said. The rest of the non believers are the ones that watch sports 24-7 and
when confronted about something that they know nothing about, all of a sudden, they
are a world authority on the subject and call you a lier.

As far as predictions go, i'll at least give a person a chance for their predictions to come
true before i call them on it. I have no comment on you 9eagle9 because i have not been
following your predictions.

What burns my asp, is when people make predictions and when they don't come true,
they make up stupid stories about time lines, other than our own. Sorry, but we live in
this timeline and if your going to put a date / time on your prediction, it had better
happen or else you risk becoming an unreliable source of information and you come out
with egg on your face.

[foreverfan]

6. Participate in skirmishes, mudslinging and name calling on the Avalon forum.

When it comes to good ET’s blowing up evil motherships to rescue soul groups who are being tortured and used in genetic experiments and as food, and it is proclaimed by the likes of Cobra, who is an emissary from the Pleidian’s, who uses a voice over disguise to speak to us, tells us that all the bad guy ET’s are all gone now, so when you see ET’s don’t shoot at them because they are all good, and these good ET’s are spreading deadly Stardust to take out the elite by rendering their nervous systems inoperable which kills them because of a Cosmic Decree from the Central Sun, and Lady Dragon, the self proclaimed world famous video game promoter who everybody who is anybody in the whole world is in touch with because we will all be in a game at some point, who google has blacklisted and stopped her important message getting out to the world, who has been to the Playboy Mansion as one of her credits, espouses that we should follow what she and Cobra and Drake are saying and doing, Drake who is an old E-3 from the military, who is the self proclaimed liaison for the greatest transformation to face this planet in 26,000 years, who has sent a letter of ultimatum to the joint chiefs of staff on a Saturday through a secretary and warned them if they did not arrest the cabal and get back to him right away, since he has the tactical connections and knowhow and willingness, and his proclamation that the military's time is up to take action, that he is going to take matters into his own hands and call up the peoples militia and get the US Republic back the way it used to be and make sure NESARA is implemented and the collateral accounts are distributed to everybody since the Bureau of International Settlements has been cut off and shut down by the Keenan liens and it’s all going to go down real soon…

Please don’t be dismayed by those of us who might question this. OK? There has to be another way.

Loved the post and I only have one question... Are you kidding... How else do you expect it to go down? Makes perfect sense to me. LOL...

This is exactly why I'm worried about you people. I won't spend my time even giving it any forum time, yet others obsess over it. I've listed to it. Sure the story is unreal. Lady Dragon and Cobra... come on... LOL Still, who knows what's going to happen. I'll probably still listen to a few more... I can hope can't I....

[Whiskey_Mystic]

How eleven people here can say thanks to that ramble, beats me.

Stan

Yes, it does.

Oh, thanks for drawing my attention to it. I hadn't thanked it yet.

[sygh]

To the point, Drake is full of it. There is no way I would or, will associate with his buddies or him because the things he says are so off course, his crap will fall all over and bury every real point anyone here, or on other venues, tries to make just by association with him.

Associate with him, if you like... free will is just that.

[gripreaper]

And what on earth could that be GR?

Stan

I can’t believe I’m going to say this or endorse this idea, but I’ve given it a lot of thought over the last few days, due to the prompting of United Serenity’s recommendation to listen to Brook Agnew, that we need to call a Constitutional Convention here in the United States.

I’m in agreement with you Stan that the grass roots initiatives need to come from the United States, since the charter which the Federal Reserve has to keep us in slavery came from the US, and we are the most heavily armed nation on the planet, and our military is being used as the global police by the cabal.

Why I have been hesitant to endorse a Constitutional Convention, is due to the fact that it could be used against us and put us deeper in slavery, should an awake electorate not be awake and aware in its implementation. I think we are getting close to where enough people are awake, and it’s just a matter of time before this idea can take root. Once the upper middle class baby boomers get to the point that their money is almost gone, and they wake up to the facts, then I think we can put this together.

All amendments after the 12th amendment need to be repealed and sovereignty returned to the states. The income tax needs to be abolished, and the printing of debt based instruments of promise at interest by the Federal Reserve abolished. Sound currency without interest needs to be put in place. The voting system needs to be amended and returned to the people, and the people damn well better get involved in their local states and make sure the scum psychopaths can’t take over their states ever again. Many of the alphabet agencies need to be abolished, and the free energy needs to be released. I also think Nawapa needs to be actively rolled out, which would provide worldwide employment overnight.

I would encourage you to look into the ideas out there in regards to a Constitutional Convention and restoration of the Sovereign states, other than RuSA.

Since you asked.

[foreverfan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym4TTmOJ4I8&feature=related

[TargeT]

Getting back to Alex Jones... he is telling the Military what they will be used for. This is important because it will be up to each individual what they will do. The Military is in an interesting dilemma. They can take out the Cabal now or fight the American People in the streets later.

Which one makes the most sense? This is the only reason why I give Drake any credence since these are the only two possibilities.

it actually makes absolutely NO sense if you know anything about the military whatsoever....

I am in the military and have not been presented anywhere near this choice nor any that even comes close to any topic covered in this thread (directly anyway) the military is so compartmentalized (Look into that word, it carries a lot of meaning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compartmentalization_(psychology) ) that you will never find a wide spread message like this able to take hold with out extensive hierarchical support that would make this message practically impossible to keep from leaking to the media, facebook etc...

so, the scenario, as described; is impossible.

[Ishtar]

David Icke is most definitely correct about Fulford and David Wilcock.

Re the Moon being hollow (not a spy station for TPTB -- I've never heard him claim that!) -- here's an interesting anecdote from Inelia, dating from a little over a year ago.

She came up to me one day and said, "Did you know the Moon was hollow?" She had apparently just paid a visit to take a look. I asked her if she'd read any of David Icke's (and others') writings on the subject -- and she had not. She came up with the information all by herself.

She had a similar experience concerning the Dulce base. She'd never heard of it before, and I just referenced its existence to her in northern New Mexico. That's all I mentioned to her.

She immediately "went" to check it out. She was quite shocked. "I saw all kinds of genetic experiments... horrible things happening there", she reported. I asked her if she'd ever heard about any of that from any other source... and she had not.

hi Bill

i was wondering how much credence you give to inelia's account that she

1, paid a visit to the moon and saw that it was 'hollow'
and
2, visited dulce air force base?

i'm just curious as to whether you believe those two things.

the reason is, that to use the term 'hollow' seems slightly odd.



"Hollow" was the exact word she used. And yes, I'm convinced Inelia had that ability, for sure. How the got the information (whether she "visited" astrally -- which is what she said -- or whether she just remote viewed the two locations), I'm not qualified to answer.

Hi,
Respectfully, how can we use this as reliable data? I've always had a bit of a problem with remote viewing/astral projection, et al. Just don't see how it can be quantified or used/deemed reliable.

This would be my experience too, as someone who regularly goes into trance and also does what the CIA would call 'remote viewing'. I've heard that the CIA have had little success with 'remote viewing' for the reasons peace mentions. It's useless for spying on anyone, or discovering a secret location in this dimension, because, in my experience, it takes one to other dimensions. So if one is say viewing a Moon in another dimension, and it appears to have a certain structure or certain characteristics, like being hollow, it needn't necessarily have any bearing on the Moon in this dimension.

When one is in the shamanic trance, one meets entities from other dimensions, not entities from this dimension ~ in other words, not from this solar system or this 3D universe or any other 3D universes. We meet those from other dimensions, and they are not on their way here and they were not here on Earth before. They are timeless entities and so they've always been here, but they vibrate at a frequency not perceivable by us, and so they cannot be perceived unless one alters one's consciousness.

Our earliest ancestors were in touch with these intra-dimensional beings through techniques we now call mystical or shamanic. We can be too. It is our birthright, and it has been stolen from us. This is becoming increasingly well known now to archaeologists, who use shamans to help them to understand the ritual sites and artifacts of early man. Because our earliest ancestors were in touch with these all-knowing entities, they were capable of great feats, like inventing sacred geometry, building the pyramids, understanding the nature of the solar system before the invention of telescopes, or aligning megalithic sites with key astronomical events.

Our ancestors encoded this knowledge in what we now call myths, within metaphors and allegorical poetry. However, we are no longer taught how to read metaphors or myths ... and so these myths get misunderstood as records of historical events on Earth when nine times out of ten, they're recording astronomical events in the heavens.

If you'd like to learn more about how we now know that our earliest ancestors gained their knowledge through shamanic practices, I can recommend this book by Mike Williams: Prehistoric Belief: Shamans, Trance and the Afterlife (http://www.prehistoricshamanism.com/prehistoric-belief.php).

It is my belief that the alien agenda has been all the more effective by keeping us in ignorance about the shamanic practises of our earliest ancestors going back tens of thousands of years. They have encouraged the image of the grunting, ignorant caveman. This means that we end up attributing our ancestors' great achievements to ETs. Logically, there is no other course we can take, and that serves the alien agenda very nicely thank you.

[applecrusher1992]

Come on Man, we all agree that the world is in trouble and we need to do something about it. Each of us individually and collectively needs to do what we can. Some of these things are not exclusive to Drakes message, such as:

1. Get your own fiscal house in order. This means eliminate your debt; get your budget expenses in line below your income.
2. Buy local and support your local community businesses, and quit supporting the global corporatocracy as much as possible.
3. Put away some long term storage of basic commodities to last about six months.
4. Share with your family and friends what is going on with the elite and the Federal Reserve and the fiat debt based system, and how all roads lead to the 1%.
5. Detox your system and ingest a high rate of organic food and water. Exercise regularly.
6. Participate in skirmishes, mudslinging and name calling on the Avalon forum.

OK, just kidding about the last one, but where the disagreement comes is how we go about fixing the stranglehold the elite psychopaths at the top of the power pyramid have on planet earth. No one here disagrees about the problem, just how to get to a solution.

When it comes to good ET’s blowing up evil motherships to rescue soul groups who are being tortured and used in genetic experiments and as food, and it is proclaimed by the likes of Cobra, who is an emissary from the Pleidian’s, who uses a voice over disguise to speak to us, tells us that all the bad guy ET’s are all gone now, so when you see ET’s don’t shoot at them because they are all good, and these good ET’s are spreading deadly Stardust to take out the elite by rendering their nervous systems inoperable which kills them because of a Cosmic Decree from the Central Sun, and Lady Dragon, the self proclaimed world famous video game promoter who everybody who is anybody in the whole world is in touch with because we will all be in a game at some point, who google has blacklisted and stopped her important message getting out to the world, who has been to the Playboy Mansion as one of her credits, espouses that we should follow what she and Cobra and Drake are saying and doing, Drake who is an old E-3 from the military, who is the self proclaimed liaison for the greatest transformation to face this planet in 26,000 years, who has sent a letter of ultimatum to the joint chiefs of staff on a Saturday through a secretary and warned them if they did not arrest the cabal and get back to him right away, since he has the tactical connections and knowhow and willingness, and his proclamation that the military's time is up to take action, that he is going to take matters into his own hands and call up the peoples militia and get the US Republic back the way it used to be and make sure NESARA is implemented and the collateral accounts are distributed to everybody since the Bureau of International Settlements has been cut off and shut down by the Keenan liens and it’s all going to go down real soon…

Please don’t be dismayed by those of us who might question this. OK? There has to be another way.

Your absolutely right the way you put it. And you could probably add on that there is no concrete evidence for most if any of those claims directly. But when I first started finding out what our government was doing that seemed crazier to me than this. There has also been a lot of stuff happening that leads me to believe something big is about to happen. Whether Drake and others are a pys-op or not I don't know but what is conspiring now is probably important to what is about to come.

[applecrusher1992]

In 1984 I told a young man about my age that his parents were about to divorce and I got the flaying of a lifetime and then his parents got divorced and then I was no longer a freak but a prophet and rinse and repeat.... 1999 I told everyone who would listen that George Bush would be the cookie, the catalyst, the early warning red flag, and the events that would bring down America would revolve around his presence in the White House.

I have made numerous comments that Kissinger and Cheney are far too old to still be alive and raising so much hell and dammit I'm such a bitch for noticing.

I was A) a freak, ignorant , negative, unenlightened bitch then. (and again in 2004) By 2005 I was a B) prophet. By 2006 I was back to being A.

In 2008 the day before the election I went on live TV and told everyone that Obama would win by a landslide. That was at 4 in the afternoon, by 8 pm I had so much hatemail simply for stating that Obama would win by a landslide (i never mentioned that I was happy/sad that he would) just the fact I predicted that was enough to get the herd stampeding, so it was A then a day later it was A (it was my fault that Obama won btw because I went on the news and said so like if I had the power to put someone in office I'd put myself there) then after a while it was B, and whatever.

I predicted my mother would die in June 2009 and everyone was pissed. I inadvertently did something that made her come back from the dead and everyone was pissed. I abate a life long case of shingles in a woman and she was pissed.

I'm over it, okay? I really don't care who is pissed. All I know is that I am a system buster and that is all I have to do.

I've made predictions in this forum squarely putting myself in A and then the next day I'm B again (like some weird convertible bra person)

I have made countless speculative logic predictions and I was met with the same "Oh my god your soo negative" UNTIL after the fact when I became B again, which only lasted until the next speculation that no one wanted to here then it was back to A, to B, to A, to B.

In the early 2000 I was pretty much certain that David Wilcocks wasn't Edgar Cayce and of course I was this wretched dirt bag raining on everyone's ascension parade.

I predicted in 2000 that abortion wouldn't be struck downduring the next decade and I was this horrid beast then too (and now).

So instead of getting frustrated by this I shrug it off, its not that people are ignorant....they don't care. Here and out there. All the same to me. I'd be perfectly happy if what Drake says will occur, it doesn't affect me either way.


I have been 'enlightening people' for a quite a long time now . People like to think I fell off the hay wagon last night but my family could tell you I've been making onersome speculations that they didn't particularly like to hear since I was a child (unless of course its something they want to hear). I can predict someone will get a bug up their arse about this post. The better part of metaphysics isn't making predictions but being aware of repeated patterns of events.

Given up. No. I'm just back to A.

I'm sure that Drake exists (duh) , he's probably military in some fashion or another, I'm sure he believes very much in his story. I don't give a **** if his name is Drake or Donald, no one uses their real name anymore even in the forum or convert to some new age star name.

Of course the banks are collapsing (I have been around at least since 08) yes the military is massing, yes the ptb sucks, the economy is artificial, money is fiat, yes yes yes.---I've known that for YEARS....Every family branch of the ptb has an army a letter agency, the GSI, the GIS, which no one knows about but will in the next year or two and someone will be pissed at me then too.

People were writing about this stuff in the 80's and my pot smoking hippy dippy government teacher was talking about it in the 80's. We've had martial law for a LONG time its just that we're so infiltrated we don't see it for what it is.

What I don't believe is this is going to go down the way claimed. After all it already hasn't half a dozen times.



I appreciate your comments and I don't think you are A or B but a very aware and intelligent person.

[Referee]

Do not get me wrong here I am from KY I understand about hillbilly speak. However serving for quite a while changes people and the way they speak. I do not know his full background but...

Thanks for your comments.

Giving up on trying to change people's opinion is like giving into them. IMO It is of upmost importance to awaken as many people you can as fast as possible.

Kind Regards,

Ref

I have recently discovered something interesting... it is not a.) trying to change others nor b.) giving into them... it is c.) being (not pretending) but being the change I want to see.

What is interesting about this is that some folks who have known me for years have noticed the change. Some of these folks that noticed the change are folks I wish would change for the better (as if I really know what that might be - but that is drifting away from my point).

Some of these folks that have noticed the change, some being folks I wish would change, have begun asking me how I did it... and thus the door opens a tiny crack. The next trick is in regards to the fine art of how best to open a door - but that is for another (lengthy) post.

Now "being the change I want to see in others" is not my original idea nor quote, but sometimes when I hear a good one, I try it out.

So far this one is working good.

justoneman

Very well put! I really like your words!

Thanks !

[NancyV]

Getting back to Alex Jones... he is telling the Military what they will be used for. This is important because it will be up to each individual what they will do. The Military is in an interesting dilemma. They can take out the Cabal now or fight the American People in the streets later.

Which one makes the most sense? This is the only reason why I give Drake any credence since these are the only two possibilities.

it actually makes absolutely NO sense if you know anything about the military whatsoever....

I am in the military and have not been presented anywhere near this choice nor any that even comes close to any topic covered in this thread (directly anyway) the military is so compartmentalized (Look into that word, it carries a lot of meaning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compartmentalization_(psychology) ) that you will never find a wide spread message like this able to take hold with out extensive hierarchical support that would make this message practically impossible to keep from leaking to the media, facebook etc...

so, the scenario, as described; is impossible.
So you're saying that you don't think 90% of the military is going to support the mass arrests and the revolution?? How could that BE? Drake said they were ready to go! Maybe you just haven't gotten the news yet.
:p

[applecrusher1992]

And what on earth could that be GR?

Stan

I can’t believe I’m going to say this or endorse this idea, but I’ve given it a lot of thought over the last few days, due to the prompting of United Serenity’s recommendation to listen to Brook Agnew, that we need to call a Constitutional Convention here in the United States.

I’m in agreement with you Stan that the grass roots initiatives need to come from the United States, since the charter which the Federal Reserve has to keep us in slavery came from the US, and we are the most heavily armed nation on the planet, and our military is being used as the global police by the cabal.

Why I have been hesitant to endorse a Constitutional Convention, is due to the fact that it could be used against us and put us deeper in slavery, should an awake electorate not be awake and aware in its implementation. I think we are getting close to where enough people are awake, and it’s just a matter of time before this idea can take root. Once the upper middle class baby boomers get to the point that their money is almost gone, and they wake up to the facts, then I think we can put this together.

All amendments after the 12th amendment need to be repealed and sovereignty returned to the states. The income tax needs to be abolished, and the printing of debt based instruments of promise at interest by the Federal Reserve abolished. Sound currency without interest needs to be put in place. The voting system needs to be amended and returned to the people, and the people damn well better get involved in their local states and make sure the scum psychopaths can’t take over their states ever again. Many of the alphabet agencies need to be abolished, and the free energy needs to be released. I also think Nawapa needs to be actively rolled out, which would provide worldwide employment overnight.

I would encourage you to look into the ideas out there in regards to a Constitutional Convention and restoration of the Sovereign states, other than RuSA.

Since you asked.

I agree. We are getting to the point where I think everyone would like to do something about our situation. We may have no choice but to take some serious action and I would prefer it to be non-violent.

On the whole Drake issue I still have hope but that doesn't make me ignorant or a blind follower. Every time there is someone who claims to have a plan or answers I say to myself what can I gain from this experience? From the Charles experience I became a member on Avalon which I love. From this I have gained much more. My own beliefs have been challenged and my heart more than every wants me to take more action. That may mean going into the streets and informing people of what is currently happening. It may mean other action to take our freedom back. I will need to look into what I can do. I have also gained spiritually trying to find the truth within myself and feel a greater connection to source. This has been a draining experience for me and something that I may need to remove myself from it. But I don't think that this is a waste of time but rather a learning experience for all of us. I think we ALL of us have gained something from our interaction a part of the greater truth and I think this event has taught everyone involved a little bit about others and ultimately themselves.

[sygh]

When Americans actually find out their land and the businesses they supported have been sold out from under them, I think we can count on "something big" happening. When they sold some of our own ports -and by-passed others to get past the unions, and then they started allowing toll highways to be built and owned by foreign interests, etc, etc, etc...

Really, its only a matter of time now before the full realization of what's taken place over the last 19 years really hits home, and of course the fiat economy. But the one's responsible won't be here, they will be in other countries supplying goods to both sides.

[SilentFeathers]

So? When the top generals/pentagon officials (Drakes buddies) lol etc brief their commanders, captains etc. (not sure of rank ladder) and tells them nano dust has been sprayed by ET's and will turn the enemies into zombies, UFO ET ships are circling the Earth locked and loaded and ready to strike, all enemy weapons will not fire at them and have been disabled, armed militias across the country are standing ready to assist, secret agents called channelers are where this intel is coming from etc etc etc., and orders them to take down (arrest or murder) all suspected US gov and banking officials and all other alleged "crooks".....do you honestly think that these military people will think there is any sanity to these orders at all?????

...and then these top generals give their officers profile folders of Drake, Fulford, Wilcock, Lady Dragon, Cobra etc and tell their officers that these are the "trusted resistance leaders" of the USA??????? LOL!!!!! That these are the intel gatherers more reliable than the CIA, military, etc???? LOL!!!!!!! That these are the chosen people of the ET's???? LOL!!!!

I know military is trained not to question orders and must follow them, but come on folks, even well seasoned officers would think this was a joke and consider the top brass handing down something like this completely insane.

But if the military was ordered to stop an armed revolution and resistance of ET believing psychopaths publically announcing that they are contemplating mass murder of gov officials, bankers etc., I'm pretty sure they could accept that story and take action......

Get real folks! Drake and Co is enticing people do gather (armed) and to take action against gov officials and property etc.....

If some people are ignorant and foolish enough to stand up against the gov with all kinds of simple weapons etc and we all know many will have itchy trigger fingers, well all I can say is get ready for the "cabal" to come after all guns and use every form of draconian police state legislation, drones and high tech hardware, to its maximum and most extreme potential. Those with shotguns and pitchforks won't stand a chance.

One truth Drake has made is about stocking up on toilet paper, because when the hammer comes down and all the Drake followers see that just the opposite is happening, well they will be crapping their pants and glad they have plenty of toilet paper to use!

Who's more insane? me or this outrageous plan of Drakes and Co?

[foreverfan]

Getting back to Alex Jones... he is telling the Military what they will be used for. This is important because it will be up to each individual what they will do. The Military is in an interesting dilemma. They can take out the Cabal now or fight the American People in the streets later.

Which one makes the most sense? This is the only reason why I give Drake any credence since these are the only two possibilities.

it actually makes absolutely NO sense if you know anything about the military whatsoever....

I am in the military and have not been presented anywhere near this choice nor any that even comes close to any topic covered in this thread (directly anyway) the military is so compartmentalized (Look into that word, it carries a lot of meaning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compartmentalization_(psychology) ) that you will never find a wide spread message like this able to take hold with out extensive hierarchical support that would make this message practically impossible to keep from leaking to the media, facebook etc...

so, the scenario, as described; is impossible.

So what you are saying is when the order comes to go to people houses and take their guns, American Soldiers will follow those orders to the letter?

[D-Day]

Who's more insane? me or this outrageous plan of Drakes and Co?

Hmm, now that's a toughie.

I guess the answer to that question would depend largely on the definition of insanity one used when making that assessment.

Personally, I've always liked Einstein's definition...

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Based on the above.................. well, let's just say it doesn't look good for you. lol

Only kidding SilentFeathers, I for one appreciate the effort you make to expose the nonsense and BS found in threads like this one... love your work! :)

P.S. Just to be on the safe side I took the liberty of contacting your local insane asylum... they're on their way over to your place now to "check up on you and make sure you're ok ;)

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRVNuaRwVysIgmf3FjawWaJE90s0AmGm8EyLaawVyXh1DZ5JMCJ

[ulli]

No one pays attention to the positive things I say because it doesn't fit in with their comprehension level. So I focus on those people who want to help themselves not those who want stories but an expression of change startign in their life...now. Not in the future.

People as Stan has demonstrated do not have the ABILITY, the resources, the wherewithall to comprehend, understand or undertake that which is 'positive' or rather just plain old neccessary for people if they want to orchestrate their destiny.

9E9: No one pays attention to the positive things I say because it doesn't fit in with their comprehension level.

ulli: Not true. I have learnt from you, and thus had my comprehension level heightened.

9E9: So I focus on those people who want to help themselves not those who want stories but an expression of change startign in their life...now. Not in the future.

ulli: Not true. One only has to read ten of your posts to see that you focus mostly on people who are erring.

9E9: People as Stan has demonstrated do not have the ABILITY, the resources, the wherewithall to comprehend, understand or undertake that which is 'positive' or rather just plain old neccessary for people if they want to orchestrate their destiny.

ulli: Not true. Stan is Stan, and people are people. There is a distinction here.
Stan has lots of abilities, one only has to read a few of his posts.
As to his resources, no one can make that judgement but himself.

I won't even go into the rest, as it speaks for itself as an ad hominem attack against Stan.

On the other hand, I admit that Stan has been discourteous to your posts as well, but I guess there is a battle going on here that goes back further than I care to investigate. When two quarrel, both are wrong, in my opinion.

But no one can deny that Stan has plenty of resources, being an astrologer, and as such has seen the interaction of public beliefs, urban myths, and the various sources that interfere with the public in order to direct things in a certain way.

But no one can know for sure what the outcome of all this is, as beyond the manipulators there are levels and beings beyond everyone's perception.

It is quite possible that Drake is being played as a lure to bring out the militia, that David Wilcock is being played to discredit anyone who is into metaphysics, that Fulford is being played to show up the conspiracy theory followers, and that so it will make it easier for the PTB to flush out the more extreme characters which threaten their plans.

But at the same time the positive vision that is being proclaimed by them is also being digested and absorbed by those readers who have no violent intent, but are becoming aware of what vision they want to hold for their own future and that vision is not all bad.

Vision is the beginning of reality, the first step. A person with a powerful beam can reach others via telepathy, who then can help to bust the system.

Whether these peoples visions come from within the self,
or from the outside, is immaterial, as either one can be potentially harmless or harmful,
what matters is careful weighing of what vision one wants to chose.

Because vision that comes from within could be MK, or AI, and as such not 100% reliable, while vision from without is being handed on all sorts of platters.
All each of us needs to do is choose very carefully what is nutritious and what is only for short-term gratification.
And not only for the self, but also for the family, the community, the nation, and humanity at large.
Ripple effect.

[SilentFeathers]

So what you are saying is when the order comes to go to people houses and take their guns, American Soldiers will follow those orders to the letter?

I personally feel most soldiers will follow these orders, considering the alternative, which is; being disarmed, thrown in the brig, and court martialed...hence getting fired and becoming unemployed and not being able to even collect unemployment because they have been dishonorably discharged, etc.. I'm sure "some" will refuse to participate, but that number will be much lower than those gun ho to some see some type of action, even if it is a silly police action to collect guns from potential terrorists on american soil (hence patriot act-NDAA, etc etc etc)

RE: Some may be brainwashed in to believing that what they are doing is a matter of national security and in the best interest of the american people to keep the people safe, thus, I suspect Drakes poll numbers are incorrect about most of the military ready to do a "mutiny"...

added

even drake says, threaten or cut off the flow of money to the cabal and that'll get there attention and influence them.....why wouldn't the same apply elsewhere???? such as in the military?
Get real people, Drakes plan is catastrophically flawed when it comes to believing everything he says......or about anything he says

[Unified Serenity]

Just remember Hurricane Katrina. The people were looting and lawless, and our national guard along with Blackwater had no problem going house to house seizing weapons, and shooting looters. That is why this urge to rise up and have a violent revolution plays right into the hands of the ptb. Oh, they want us to fight back, and can't figure out for the life of them whey we haven't already formed a mob and attacked them. So, they will do more and more to push us over the edge.

[SKAWF]

i had noticed that some words that were used were not really aimed at those listening to the interviews.
i think some things are said, not because they are true, but as a tool to create little shifts and ripples.

for example.....

drake might say to the interviewer that there are to be some serious consequences for those elites that are involved
he might even get a little bit graphic about whats going to happen to them.......

but there will also be a comment about how they can come forward and co operate.

to me, thats just a 'scare em, and give them a way out' tactic.

same as the military being ready to mutiny......

it may or may not be true

but any single soldier might feel a bit more incline to say 'NO'
if he thought that he was not alone.

often i think these interviews are a way for the interviewee
to get messages out to other parties, as well as the person asking the questions.

[Ishtar]

Drake's Facebook page has become a major dump for disinformation scare tactics. The latest one which just landed claims that Obama has just declared a national emergency when in fact all he did on the Monday of last week was to extend a 'national emergency' over Russian nuclear material that's been active ever since Bill Clinton signed it into law in 2001. It has been extended annually ever since. Here's what RIA Novosti has to say about it:

U.S. President Barack Obama has ordered a one-year extension of the U.S. national emergency over Russian atomic material suitable for use in nuclear weapons.

Obama submitted a notice of the extension for publication in the U.S. Federal Register on Monday.

“The accumulation of a large volume of weapons-usable fissile material in the territory of the Russian Federation continues to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States,” Obama said in a message to the U.S. Congress accompanying the notice.

“For this reason, I have determined that it is necessary to continue the national emergency declared with respect to the risk of nuclear proliferation created by the accumulation of a large volume of weapons-usable fissile material in the territory of the Russian Federation and maintain in force these emergency authorities to respond to this threat,” he said.

The national emergency over Russian nuke material was declared in Executive Order 13159 of June 21, 2000 by the then-president Bill Clinton. It has been extended annually ever since.

The extension of the emergency is necessary to support the execution of a 1993 Moscow-Washington agreement on eliminating highly enriched uranium removed from Russian nuclear warheads (the so-called HEU-LEU agreement).

It's from here: http://en.ria.ru/russia/20120619/174114545.html (http://en.ria.ru/russia/20120619/174114545.html)

If anyone's a member of that Facebook group, maybe they could let them know as they are getting into a right tither about it.

[Sebastion]

To the best of my knowledge right now, any national emergency that is declared automatically suspends the Constitution of the United States........

[Unified Serenity]

The problem is the Constitution FOR the United States of America was suspended back in 1861 and in the Act of 1871, they changed the Constitution to read, The Constitution OF the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA with is 10 mile radius of Washington D.C. as it's Corporation. We have lived a lie for a very long time.

http://www.byronwine.com/files/1871.pdf

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[SilentFeathers]

I honestly don't know what else to say in this thread to convince those still holding the binoculars the wrong way to flip them around and look through them the right way....so that they may take a little closer look at other possibilities beyond only Drake and Co's verbage...

I'm pretty much done wasting my breath.....

[Sebastion]

You are right United...it's those little words that will fool you every time...




The problem is the Constitution FOR the United States of America was suspended back in 1861 and in the Act of 1871, they changed the Constitution to read, The Constitution OF the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA with is 10 mile radius of Washington D.C. as it's Corporation. We have lived a lie for a very long time.

http://www.byronwine.com/files/1871.pdf

[foreverfan]

I honestly don't know what else to say in this thread to convince those still holding the binoculars the wrong way to flip them around and look through them the right way....so that they may take a little closer look at other possibilities beyond only Drake and Co's verbage...

I'm pretty much done wasting my breath.....

So what you are basically saying is we are screwed. Forget Drake. I guess we have no options except to watch as the fence is built around the sheepeople. I find this hard to accept. This is why I will continue to show people the fence being built around them so when the time comes, it won't be their first rodeo with what's going on. You have to first get them to look at the news media for what it is.

So how do we enlighten more people?

[Unified Serenity]

For those who have not looked it up, the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is a corporation.

From: Title 28 3002 (15) (A) (B) (C)

(15) “United States” means—
(A) a Federal corporation;
(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or
(C) an instrumentality of the United States.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/3002

I found this on the people's media. It offers some solutions to our problems:


http://www.facebook.com/PeoplesMedia/info

We have some humble suggestions to restore the original republic our fore fathers intended. This needs to be brought to attention so the problem can be dealt with; we MUST be focused, too much energy is directed toward addressing the symptom than solving the problem.

1. The Federal Reserve needs to be abolished PERIOD. It is a privately owned central bank that is a parasite to this country's sovereignty. It's use of the fractional reserve banking system in form is a Ponzi scheme. REAL and TANGIBLE money should be brought back as "lawful" money not "legal tender".

2. The use of Uniform Commercial Code(admiralty/maritime law) needs to be sent back to the place it came, the sea. These laws of commerce operates under the color of law toward the unknowing men and women of this country(and many others). The "law of the land" needs to be brought back into presumption of jurisdiction to make our republic de jure once again.

3. The education and simplifying of law so each and every man and woman can communicate in the same language. The BAR guilds across the planet need to be reorganized/abolished and and the trash needs to be taken out. As long as the perversion of law is in existence people will find a way to enslave each other.

4. Abolish the District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 that created the corporation known as "United States"(the capital "U" denotes a fiction as applied to United States under law). Reinstate the "united States"(notice the lowercase "u", reference the Declaration of Independence) which is the original de jure republic comprised of men and women(sovereigns) who represent each state which are part of a confederation.

5. Abolish the UN, IMF and any imperialistic order created to enslave man. The globe should be a confederacy of sovereign nations with the a common bond of earth.


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Restore the de jure REPUBLIC! Mainstream media is a disgrace to the people of this country as well as our brothers and sisters of the world. Mainstream media is the propaganda branch of the de facto government and we are to counter their deceit.

de jure adj. Latin for lawful, as distinguished from de facto (actual).

[SilentFeathers]

So what you are basically saying is we are screwed. Forget Drake. I guess we have no options except to watch as the fence is built around the sheepeople. I find this hard to accept. This is why I will continue to show people the fence being built around them so when the time comes, it won't be their first rodeo with what's going on. You have to first get them to look at the news media for what it is.

So how do we enlighten more people?

When I think about how so many people are so easily misled, not by this Drake stuff only but by MSM etc., it surly gives me a bad feeling inside instead of being filled with hope and promise.....I must say that for the bigger picture/largest extent of the state of things on a global and national scale, yes we are basically screwed. Sadly I feel it's going to get much uglier before things get pretty.....but then again I am only relying on my own intuition and common sense, I'm sure I should be trying to channel et's to get a better perspective and more proof of whats "really" happening....

How do we enlightened others? Well, I think it's up to them to enlighten themselves if they are capable.....no one can force another to spiritually blossom when they're not ready to or are not capable too.

I'm doing what I can and I'm sure it's not all being done correctly or I'm spot on about everything, hopefully I have caused a few to think a little more in depth about certain things though.....

[Unified Serenity]

I think one of the best ways to enlighten others is to be love. To center yourself, to emanate sacred divine love and send it out and communicate from that place even if the message is not a happy skippy one. I'm not always so good at doing so, but I am called home to God/dess more and more in spirit and know that to help anyone it must be from Divine love and inspiration.

[LarryC]

I honestly don't know what else to say in this thread to convince those still holding the binoculars the wrong way to flip them around and look through them the right way....so that they may take a little closer look at other possibilities beyond only Drake and Co's verbage...

I'm pretty much done wasting my breath.....

Your analogy of the binoculars suggests that there are only two ways to look at things. You also assume that people are not considering possibilities beyond Drake. While this may describe some people, I doubt if it's accurate for most of Drake's "supporters" or "followers" as some like to call them. To me, there are always many possibilities and reality is more like a holographic kaleidoscope than a pair of binoculars.

[SilentFeathers]

I honestly don't know what else to say in this thread to convince those still holding the binoculars the wrong way to flip them around and look through them the right way....so that they may take a little closer look at other possibilities beyond only Drake and Co's verbage...

I'm pretty much done wasting my breath.....

Your analogy of the binoculars suggests that there are only two ways to look at things. You also assume that people are not considering possibilities beyond Drake. While this may describe some people, I doubt if it's accurate for most of Drake's "supporters" or "followers" as some like to call them. To me, there are always many possibilities and reality is more like a holographic kaleidoscope than a pair of binoculars.

Anyone can break down what I say and make what they want out of it, I'm hoping (I know) there's a few here that get the jist of what I'm saying without the need to do that....

[9eagle9]

Okay aside I'll entertain your desire to be very specific and PERSON-al, Ulli.

I have in my hubris stumbled over your astrological filters again, and that may be because the content of this thread isnt about Stan's or yours astrologoical prowess but since you've decided to make this PERSON-al Ulli, let's be personal about our filters. Atrological filters perhaps since you decided my post was about challenging Stan's astrology prowess, when in fact Stan's inablity to comprehend (and yours) may be entirely up to astrological filters .Thank you for letting me know that, I had no idea Stan was an astrologer.

Your post Ulli makes it obvious that there's nothing I've conveyed to you that has heightened your comprehension level. Because you have something you are self identified with that limits your comprehension and that is of course limiting to one's comprehension level. Suddenly my post was an attack on Stan and his astrological prowess which you perceive takes precedence over my inner knowing.

It doesn't.

Just like Drake's declarations should take precedence over my inner knowing, right? And that is what other people are attempting to convey here.What Drake imagines doesn't take precedence over what we can see for ourselves.

What you think of me personally, which you try very hard to hide under some guise of wise elder woman chastising the upstart, really has nothing to do with YOUR comprehension level but how you personally perceive me through your own filters. Which are ...let me guess....astrological in nature. (a bit self evident there). And I am of course, always about looking at what is self evident.

While you feel that I have infringed on Stan as a person, using Stan to launch a personal attack that I sense you are always itching to intiate is not exactly all in integrity either, or rather his vaunted sense of Personhood should not be challenged by me, but can be used for you to air whatever personal grievances you have with with me under the guise of some weird role you have chosen for yourself. . That is probably not personal per say because any old person could be used as an excuse for you to launch which is always lurking beneath the surface.

Don't use Stan as an excuse. That's using people.

Stan is not the perfect excuse to attack me for failing to live up to your astrological filters. So if you want to talk about persons and personals and abusing .....persons shall we start there.

What you think of me personally Ulli is not really all that well hidden under that surface role you assume for yourself. This is been made self evident before and self evident here.

Because you are basing your perceptions on astrological filters because you are stuck there. That is why nothing I have said has advanced your comprehension.

This is where the tool is no longer a resource but an impediment to one's comprehension. That is why I say that people, persons if you prefer do not have the ability to comprehend what I'm saying. You are not comprehending what I'm saying you are reacting and using my post as a launching pad to attack me personally and this is a repeated and obvious pattern for you to little involve yourself in the subject of a thread but find a niche from where you can pop up and cry foul when I transcend your filters...again.

A repeated pattern of little involving one in the the subject matter of threads, but then hastily hasten to a thread in question to chastise me. It's been noticed too many times by others for me to chalk up as my essential Piscean paranoia. Since you wanted things to be PERSON-al Ulli. (and astrological)

Comprhende?

This is obvious because you have partcipated very little in the actual subject matter of this thread but suddenly your participation is launching a personal attack on a personal revelation that I made because...another actually participating member asked me a serious query about 'giving up' and I gave an equally serious from the heart , this is my authentic expression to that . That was not Stan by the way that made that query so I am presuming you are launching this rather obvious personally generated defense because Stan is an astrologer....like you. So Stan needs a defendant because he's guilty of astrology but then again..so is Ulli.

In the weird way that PERSON-al filters work, Ulli somehow feels as if she were attacked and must rush in to defend herself. Or Stan. Or astrology. Or something. Anyone, everything not comprehending why they are doing so which emphasizes the ponts that many naysayers have urged over and over on this thread.

Your defenses of course always gimbol about astrology because that is the only defense that you have. I know that, you've demonstrated that to me repeatedly. Your filters only give you one defense.

I don't defer to astrology Ulli and I think you know that. I think I have stated that loudly and forthrightly that astrology can be a limit to knowing one's true self and inhibit one's true knowing in the process.

It has a place and I know what that place is.

People are people and people see things through personal filters that level their ability to comprehend. That's basically 101 stuff there and that is being made self evident here because you perceive my quoted post to about a slant to Stan's astrological prowess ( and less about Stan's filters ) because you percieve me as attacking an astrologer when I was actually responding to a query Forever Fan made about giving up. My entire post was about filters, not about Stan as a person (all persons have filters) or about Stan's astrological prowess. (which still has nothing to do with me...or you either for that matter at least not enough to move yourself in to a position where you want to be eviscerated and I am kindly (kindly) refraining from doing so.


I know that you are challenged Ulli because I won't stay in the proper Pisces box and give your self entitlement the due homage that you perceive that it requires.
But I'm not going to defer to that. That is your filter, your personal impediment to comprehension, you deal with it the best way you know how.

Was that specific enough, COMPREHENSIVE enough?

Bottom line. People's filters make them incapable of comprehending what is actually being said. Your's happen to be astrological. That is self evident and not something I'm dredging up from the hubris of my delusional Piscean dream works.









No one pays attention to the positive things I say because it doesn't fit in with their comprehension level. So I focus on those people who want to help themselves not those who want stories but an expression of change startign in their life...now. Not in the future.

People as Stan has demonstrated do not have the ABILITY, the resources, the wherewithall to comprehend, understand or undertake that which is 'positive' or rather just plain old neccessary for people if they want to orchestrate their destiny.

9E9: No one pays attention to the positive things I say because it doesn't fit in with their comprehension level.
ulli: Not true. I have learnt from you, and thus had my comprehension level heightened.

9E9: So I focus on those people who want to help themselves not those who want stories but an expression of change startign in their life...now. Not in the future.
ulli: Not true. One only has to read ten of your posts to see that you focus mostly on people who are erring.

9E9: People as Stan has demonstrated do not have the ABILITY, the resources, the wherewithall to comprehend, understand or undertake that which is 'positive' or rather just plain old neccessary for people if they want to orchestrate their destiny.

ulli: Not true. Stan is Stan, and people are people. There is a distinction here.
Stan has lots of abilities, one only has to read a few of his posts.
As to his resources, no one can make that judgement but himself.
I won't even go into the rest, as it speaks for itself as an ad hominem attack against Stan.

On the other hand, I admit that Stan has been discourteous to your posts as well, but I guess there is a battle going on here that goes back further than I care to investigate. When two quarrel, both are wrong, in my opinion.

But no one can deny that Stan has plenty of resources, being an astrologer, and as such has seen the interaction of public beliefs, urban myths, and the various sources that interfere with the public in order to direct things in a certain way.

But no one can know for sure what the outcome of all this is, as beyond the manipulators there are levels and beings beyond everyone's perception.

It is quite possible that Drake is being played as a lure to bring out the militia, that David Wilcock is being played to discredit anyone who is into metaphysics, that Fulford is being played to show up the conspiracy theory followers, and that so it will make it easier for the PTB to flush out the more extreme characters which threaten their plans.

But at the same time the positive vision that is being proclaimed by them is also being digested and absorbed by those readers who have no violent intent, but are becoming aware of what vision they want to hold for their own future and that vision is not all bad.

Vision is the beginning of reality, the first step. A person with a powerful beam can reach others via telepathy, who then can help to bust the system.

Whether these peoples visions come from within the self,
or from the outside, is immaterial, as either one can be potentially harmless or harmful,
what matters is careful weighing of what vision one wants to chose.

Because vision that comes from within could be MK, or AI, and as such not 100% reliable, while vision from without is being handed on all sorts of platters.
All each of us needs to do is choose very carefully what is nutritious and what is only for short-term gratification.
And not only for the self, but also for the family, the community, the nation, and humanity at large.
Ripple effect.

[Ishtar]

Oh no... Drake's people running his Facebook group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/137466796377979/) have leapt at that purported national emergency story to get everyone to flood the White House with calls.... they're going to look ridiculous. To repeat, if you didn't see my post further up, on Monday of last week Obama extended an existing national emergency that was created by Bill Clinton in 2001. Whoever is President does it every year. It's just business as usual, to a large extent


ALL RIGHT FOLKS HERE IT IS....DENISE CREATED AN EVENT OF PRE-EMPTIVE PREPAREDNESS....THIS IS NOT A "GREEN LIGHT" BUT I AM SURE MOST OF YOU CAN FEEL IT. THE FOLLOWING LINKS HAVE TO GO VIRAL SO MORE PEOPLE ARE AWARE. THERE ARE ALOT OF THINGS HAPPENING THAT MANY OF YOU HAVE REPORTED HERE IN DIFFERENT UPDATES AND IF WE START CONNECTING THE DOTS THE PICTURE STARTS TO FOCUS. WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE CHECKING OUT SOURCES AROUND THE WORLD IN ALL AREAS.... STOCK MARKET IS FLUCTUATING, FROZEN ASSETS AND WITHDRAWLS...MILITARY MOVEMENTS. THE MILITIAS ARE ON ALERT AND STANDING BY...IT IS UP TO ALL OF US TO BEGIN TO BRING ALL RELEVANT BREAKING NEWS STORIES HERE TO UPDATE EVENTS. I KNOW MOST OF YOU HAVE SEEN THESE LINKS BY NOW BUT ACCORDING TO DRAKE AND OTHER SOURCES THEY ARE RELEVANT. ALL THIS STEMS AROUND AGENDA 21 THE UN PLANS AND THE FAILED MEETING THESE LAST FEW DAYS.

ATTENTION: AFTER THE ABYSMAL FAILURE OF RIO+20 THE HAND OF THE CABAL HAS BEEN FORCED. I AM TOLD ALL MILITIA HAS BEEN PUT ON HIGH ALERT... THERE IS NO RUSSIAN THREAT!! IN FACT ALL RUSSIAN TROOPS HAVING TRAINED ON THIS SOIL HAVE BEEN GIVEN ORDERS NOT TO ENGAGE WITH THE CIVILIAN POPULATION BUT IF CALLED UPON TO PROTECT THEM.

[The militia are hardly going to be put on high alert over a standard order that has been automatically renewed every year since 2001. ~ Ishtar]

I SUGGEST ALL CITIZENS FLOOD THE WHITE HOUSE, AND THE HOUSE AND SENATE WITH COMMUNICATIONS WHICH LET THEM KNOW WE ARE FULLY AWARE OF THIS ACTION AND DO NOT BUY IT ONE IOTA. WE WILL DEFEND OURSELVES AND OUR COUNTRY FROM ANY GOVERNMENT EFFORTS TO EFFECT MARTIAL LAW AND A TAKE OVER.

For Immediate Release
June 25, 2012
Letter--Russian Highly Enriched Uranium
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/06/25/letter-russian-highly-enriched-uranium

http://joemiller.us/2012/06/last-weeks-rio20-conference-about-shackling-the-planet-under-a-global-government/
Letter--Russian Highly Enriched Uranium | The White House
www.whitehouse.gov

[ulli]

Couldn't you just have stayed with the specifics addressed, rather than get really, really personal?
I defended Stan only after I saw your unfair statements, which were untrue, and needed pointing out.

Anyway,
You know already how I feel about monster posts, so I won't even read more than the few bits I saw.

Tl;dr

[Ishtar]

Talk about trying to drum up panic.

Drake has just posted this on Rick Light's website.

FULL ALERT...
ALL militias.
We are under an emergency.
Foreign troops are set to disarm us.
The bad guys are attempting to declare war on us...
MM has the emails if the links above don't work. Asked him to post this.
Somethin might be hittin tha fan real quick like.

The links are to the aforementioned White House letter extending the national emergency order

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/06/25/letter-russian-highly-enriched-uranium

and also a report on Rio.

http://joemiller.us/2012/06/last-weeks-rio20-conference-about-shackling-the-planet-under-a-global-government/

[Ishtar]

OK, this is from me:

FULL ALERT...
ALL followers of Drake.
You are being conned by a liar.
Drake is using disinfo tactics to get you to panic.
He wants you all rising up and going out into the streets.
Where you will be arrested, at the very least
By those who are waiting for you.
Please ignore this ignorant, self-centred and delusional man.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Emotion and urgency are needed to override reason. It is a pretty effective technique. The sense of impending event in which each listener plays a special role gives meaning to people's lives and causes them to follow the drum beat which is the source of this bestowed meaning. The use of emotion and panic-frenzy (They're gonna nuke us!) is also used to mobilize public opinion for war. Chris Hedges documents this well in War Is A Force That Gives Us Meaning.

Awareness of control technique is essential to discernment.

[Avocadess]

"There is hidden war now taking place in [the] Pentagon. The dark Cabal tried to infiltrate the Positive Military group to stop the mass arrests but this is currently successfully being dealt with. This was one of the main reasons for delays that frustrated so many people." -- Cobra


You can read more from Cobra's latest blog here:


http://2012portal.blogspot.com/


Ishtar: Where in the galaxy did you get that idea -- or did you just make it up? Drake has never said or done anything to give me the impression that he is wanting people to panic in the streets, etc. (although he has mentioned several times at least that that is what the Cabal would love to have happen). I feel no guilt at all for NOT reading posts by people who just make up things to accuse people with. Sheesh. Now if you had said the same thing about Alex Jones? Then I may say, "Hmmm. She may have something there." Not that I want to start a big Alex Jones debate. I'm just saying -- Drake is no Alex Jones...!!!! (Sorry, Alex. I have lost patience with your refusal to do ANYTHING or say ANYTHING to help people remain CALM -- and/or work for SOLUTIONS...!!!)

[Ishtar]

This from Lady Dragon's site.

Drake calling for emergency alert preparation

By LadyDragon

MONTREAL--(LadyDragon.com)26/06/12--Drake just called LadyDragon and told her to put out this emergency news because the White house just put the press Release out - Obama declares a national emergency

People please know that this emergengy alert operation it is ONLY for The United States.

-- Drake wants all the US militia on Full Alert

-- Drake got news that foreigh troups have boots on the ground.

Drake will release more news on his Wednesday Show.

Please stay tuned.

[9eagle9]

No Ulli I didn't refrain anymore from Personal any more than you did I was just honest about it. In case you thought you were actually hiding something from me...you're not .


Couldn't you just have stayed with the specifics addressed, rather than get really, really personal?
I defended Stan only after I saw your unfair statements, which were untrue, and needed pointing out.

Anyway,
You know already how I feel about monster posts, so I won't even read more than the few bits I saw.

Tl;dr

[Avocadess]

Ishtar: Thanks for giving your reason for your impression. However I fail to see how putting the civilian militia on "alert" is being a rabble rouser.

I personally am NOT a part of any civilian militia, but if I was I would hear it as it was put out -- ALERT and not "Panic," etc.

I'm more one of the people into spreading calm and awareness when and where I can, whether vibrationally or with communication.

[Ishtar]

This has renewed my faith in the possibility that Drake and cohorts might just be on the level and pull this thing off at some point. Thanks folks.

How can you possibly think that man is on the level when he's lying about an Executive Order? And he lied about the Bank of International Settlements having to close down because of Neil Keenan's lien?

Avocadess, if you can't see that Drake is trying to panic people, then I don't know what to say to you. There's not much calm over on that Facebook group right now. Even using capital letters to put out a message is alarmist.

[Avocadess]

I'm going to go ahead and post most of the rest of COBRA's recent blog here, because it also reflects that something intense is afoot and calls for being alert WHILE ADVISING CALM AND NONVIOLENCE:

"Taking certain hard-core members of the Cabal into the Galactic Central Sun is healing, not punishment. Some of them have been damaged beyond repair. They have rejected the Light completely and this is the only way to deal with the situation. They will not feel any pain while being disintegrated. They will simply be gone forever.

"Regardless of the events in the next few days, please remain calm, but alert.

"Archons and their minions will try to provoke you. It is natural and human to feel anger, fear, doubt or impatience. But do not act on it. Just calmly observe your emotions, take a few breaths, maybe play your favourite song and then decide how to act.

"Do not engage in violence, whether physical (rioting, violent revolution) or verbal (attacking messengers on the internet, hateful comments to anyone, relationship quarrels). Violence will NOT solve our problems. Clearly planned and focused action will.

"Focus instead on beauty, nature, meditation. Find calmness within. And when you need to act, act from that calmness."

[Ishtar]

Right puppet. Left puppet. Right puppet. Left puppet.
Right puppet. Left puppet. Right puppet. Left puppet.
Right puppet. Left puppet. Right puppet. Left puppet.

[gripreaper]

The United States has already been under a perpetual state of emergency since 1871, and yes, that is when the Reconstruction Act created the corporate UNITED STATES, divided the country into military districts and we all lost our sovereignty.

So, a Constitutional Convention needs to repeal the unratified Acts, amendments, treaties and unlawful executive orders since that time. The point being, our forefathers foresaw this time in history as being an inevitability, and put this provision into the Constitution so that we the people could restore the original organic Republic.

So, as many have postulated in this thread, it is incumbent upon us to continue to speak out and wake people up. I don't think that the awakening or the necessary inertia needed will be reached here in the good old US of A until the controlled demolition and seizure of all of the assets of the upper middle class is near completion. The rest of us are already there.

Inciting militias and challenging the status quo with violence will not go down well.

[Unified Serenity]

All they, the ptb, need to launch into military confiscate weapons and relocate people to interrogation centers is for one nut job to try to take out one high roller and claim it's because of this evil cabal and the militia is taking back the country. The MSN already have the made for tv show ready to show Drake, Fulford, and Wilcock to be demented cult leaders ala David Koresh. You know, the leader of a church who our government poisoned with CS gas which turns to cyanide when water is added in order to save the women and children!

Some of you are so blind.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Noisy Feathers is going to stop wasting our time? I mean stop wasting his breath? And United Serenity is professing to have found some love somewhere inside her ? Well damn . If that's possible, then anything is possible. This has renewed my faith in the possibility that Drake and cohorts might just be on the level and pull this thing off at some point. Thanks folks. :)

I take a personal attack against me for sharing my heart as an honor. You really have no idea who I am or where my heart has always been, and though my words are sometimes harsh, they are from a place of love for each person here on Avalon. I will bear some responsibility in that I have not apparently sent out enough soft love energy to you and thus you do not know of whom I am sent and therefore I shall seek to remedy that situation, but I shall not disengage my brain or curtail my expression of truth as I know it.

Much love to you Promezeus.

Serenity

[NancyV]

Making a big deal about foreign troops being in the U.S. is also very silly. We have sent different troops and teams to foreign countries for many decades to train with them and it has been reciprocal. My husband has trained with the French Foreign Legion, the Scottish Black Guard, German GSG9, Israeli troops including Shin Bet and the Mossad and many others over his years working for the government. I see no reason for getting panties in a bunch by something that is SOP, Standard Operating Procedure.

Thanks, Ishtar, for posting the info about the spreading of panic or concern about something that has been in force for so many years. If people buy into this sense of panic then it's just proof of how easily we humans can be manipulated. Who knows, maybe this is all a test to see how many will fall into their traps. The whole thing, whether negative or simply foolish, is just a game. I play all games my way and ultimately those who allow others to manipulate them are also playing the game and accepting the word of others of their own free choice. So I say.... carry on doing whatever is the most fun for you. I will certainly continue doing and saying exactly what I choose to do and say. I am enjoying this game or I wouldn't be here.

[gripreaper]

The whole thing, whether negative or simply foolish, is just a game. I play all games my way and ultimately those who allow others to manipulate them are also playing the game and accepting the word of others of their own free choice. So I say.... carry on doing whatever is the most fun for you. I will certainly continue doing and saying exactly what I choose to do and say. I am enjoying this game or I wouldn't be here.

That's an interesting point. Lady Dragon, who is the number one world renowned premiere video game purveyor, who claims on her website that we all are or will be part of a game, might just be doing some research for her latest video game project, and we are the test subjects for the different levels she's developing. You know, when you conquer one level in a video game and move onto the next level, new challenges and perspectives need to be introduced.

AS you may remember, Cobra and the alien ET angle wasn't introduced until a few weeks ago when Lady Dragon came onto the scene and Drake endorsed her. He did not want to have anything to do with the ET angle prior to that. The whole Stardust 2 thing is a great idea for a game, don't you think?

[ulli]

No Ulli I didn't refrain anymore from Personal any more than you did I was just honest about it. In case you thought you were actually hiding something from me...you're not .


Couldn't you just have stayed with the specifics addressed, rather than get really, really personal?
I defended Stan only after I saw your unfair statements, which were untrue, and needed pointing out.

Anyway,
You know already how I feel about monster posts, so I won't even read more than the few bits I saw.

Tl;dr

I was just as honest. We operate differently.
And maybe you have no filters at all, which could be ok, except the unfiltered gushing is just too much for me to digest.
I have mild aspergers and using the language of astrology saved my sanity.

So, in that sense, yes, it is personal.
But I had better get out of here to make room for the Drake conversation.
No hard feelings. Sorry I didn't get the point across I wanted to make.
The astrology part was only an aside, and I will heed your words in future.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Lady Dragon, who is the number one world renowned premiere video game purveyor,

Wait, what? I've been in the computer game industry for nearly twenty years and I have never heard of her.

[NancyV]

The whole thing, whether negative or simply foolish, is just a game. I play all games my way and ultimately those who allow others to manipulate them are also playing the game and accepting the word of others of their own free choice. So I say.... carry on doing whatever is the most fun for you. I will certainly continue doing and saying exactly what I choose to do and say. I am enjoying this game or I wouldn't be here.

That's an interesting point. Lady Dragon, who is the number one world renowned premiere video game purveyor, who claims on her website that we all are or will be part of a game, might just be doing some research for her latest video game project, and we are the test subjects for the different levels she's developing. You know, when you conquer one level in a video game and move onto the next level, new challenges and perspectives need to be introduced.

AS you may remember, Cobra and the alien ET angle wasn't introduced until a few weeks ago when Lady Dragon came onto the scene and Drake endorsed her. He did not want to have anything to do with the ET angle prior to that. The whole Stardust 2 thing is a great idea for a game, don't you think?
Brilliant! They could also make money off a book about how they tricked the new age, peace/love, anti-war, non violent crowd into accepting the militias, the idea of a possibly bloody revolution, and murdering thousands of people even up to extinguishing their SOULS! (which is a crock of you know what).

[gripreaper]

Lady Dragon, who is the number one world renowned premiere video game purveyor,

Wait, what? I've been in the computer game industry for nearly twenty years and I have never heard of her.

Where you been man, under a rock? :p Here it is on her website, excerpt below!

Internationally known over 175 countries as the woman expert of the industry because of LadyDragon in depth knowledge on all the facets of the industry which include the PC, the Video and the Wireless. Now with the new Xbox 360 that just came out and the PlayStation 3 coming to the market to choose from plus with the PC upgrading all the time and adding more hardware and accessories to play with not counting that everything is moving to become wireless people all over the world relies on her expertise in order to get the true facts and information that they need for their purchases or their knowledge.

Since now everything or anyone that is successful will become or be in a game sooner or later LadyDragon brings you powerful interviews like the one with Dalene Kurtis and Craig Lieberman from the Fast and Furious movie and the 2 exclusives with Joanie Laurer formerly know as Chyna from the WWF ( World Wrestling Federation).

Plus special report like being at the Playboy Mansion when Playboy unveiled their new video game

http://www.ladydragon.com/a-ld.html

[SilentFeathers]

Lady Dragon, who is the number one world renowned premiere video game purveyor,

Wait, what? I've been in the computer game industry for nearly twenty years and I have never heard of her.

Perhaps you haven't been enlightened enough in your career to notice or hear of such great digital masters :)

[Zencat]

The whole thing, whether negative or simply foolish, is just a game. I play all games my way and ultimately those who allow others to manipulate them are also playing the game and accepting the word of others of their own free choice. So I say.... carry on doing whatever is the most fun for you. I will certainly continue doing and saying exactly what I choose to do and say. I am enjoying this game or I wouldn't be here.

That's an interesting point. Lady Dragon, who is the number one world renowned premiere video game purveyor, who claims on her website that we all are or will be part of a game, might just be doing some research for her latest video game project, and we are the test subjects for the different levels she's developing. You know, when you conquer one level in a video game and move onto the next level, new challenges and perspectives need to be introduced.

AS you may remember, Cobra and the alien ET angle wasn't introduced until a few weeks ago when Lady Dragon came onto the scene and Drake endorsed her. He did not want to have anything to do with the ET angle prior to that. The whole Stardust 2 thing is a great idea for a game, don't you think?

Fascinating hypothesis, Grip! I like your thinking .... if true, what an angle indeed. :)

[Unified Serenity]

I just want to thank all the light workers on here who are sending such love and encouragement for others to step away from the lies. We do not need more fighting, but to focus on being centered within, clearing any negative feelings and rest there. I do believe most on Avalon wish to abide in that unity, and maybe give each other enough space to be who we are.

Nancy, Grip, 9Eagle9, Ishtar I can feel you and your spirit. I am reminded to be gentle with many at this time because the stakes are getting higher and when people are scared they do not tend to run towards the warrior but the healer.

Much love,

Serenity

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

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[Avocadess]

EARLY REMINDER: DRAKE's next Internet radio show is tomorrow, Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 7:00 p.m. Eastern time (6:00 p.m. Central time, 5:00 p.m. Mountain time, 4:00 p.m. Pacific time and 1:00 p.m. Hawaii time) and airs for 3 hours total at this link:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/global-voice-2012-radio-network/2012/06/27/gvr--drake-mid-week-update--wednesday-1

Wishing you the best day EVER!!

Avocadess

[Kimberley]

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For those of you that are following this thread here is the link for tomorrow's ( June 27) mid week up date show at 7:00 p.m. Eastern time (6:00 p.m. Central time, 5:00 p.m. Mountain time, 4:00 p.m. Pacific time and 1:00 p.m. Hawaii time) and airs for 3 hours total at this link

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/global-voice-2012-radio-network/2012/06/27/gvr--drake-mid-week-update--wednesday-1

Much love to us all!! :grouphug:

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air times corrected... thanks Avocadess

[Avocadess]

Thanks, Kimberley -- FYI: That's actually 5:00 p.m. MOUNTAIN and 4:00 p.m. PACIFIC.

Also much looking forward to listening to Project Avalon's own KIMBERLEY hosting the show tomorrow -- Woo-Hoo...!!!! =)

Oh, and for anyone who wants to ask Drake a question this is the call-in number (6-9:00 p.m. Central, Wednesday, June 27th and ostensibly the same number for future shows as well):

(646) 716-4984

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Lady Dragon, who is the number one world renowned premiere video game purveyor,

Wait, what? I've been in the computer game industry for nearly twenty years and I have never heard of her.

Where you been man, under a rock? :p Here it is on her website, excerpt below!

Internationally known over 175 countries as the woman expert of the industry because of LadyDragon in depth knowledge on all the facets of the industry which include the PC, the Video and the Wireless. Now with the new Xbox 360 that just came out and the PlayStation 3 coming to the market to choose from plus with the PC upgrading all the time and adding more hardware and accessories to play with not counting that everything is moving to become wireless people all over the world relies on her expertise in order to get the true facts and information that they need for their purchases or their knowledge.

Since now everything or anyone that is successful will become or be in a game sooner or later LadyDragon brings you powerful interviews like the one with Dalene Kurtis and Craig Lieberman from the Fast and Furious movie and the 2 exclusives with Joanie Laurer formerly know as Chyna from the WWF ( World Wrestling Federation).

Plus special report like being at the Playboy Mansion when Playboy unveiled their new video game

http://www.ladydragon.com/a-ld.html

Oh, I see. She is presenting herself as a gaming media figure. Off topic, I know, but nobody in my industry who was a serious player would have a website that looked like it was made by a junior high student. I'm just saying. Presentation is everything, especially for media figures. I wish her the best of luck in that arena, but any claim to fame is premature at this point. She has a long way to go. I see she worked at Strategy First back in 98, so we probably know some of the same people.

[Unified Serenity]

Shopping list:

Popcorn (thinking jiffy pop cause it's just fun)

Milk Duds

Wheat grass (For the nuts and berry friends)

wizzbangs and fizzleshnitz (noise makers as every party needs them)

[gripreaper]

Oh, and for anyone who wants to ask Drake a question this is the call-in number (6-9:00 p.m. Central, Wednesday, June 27th and ostensibly the same number for future shows as well):

(646) 716-4984

I'd like to call in and discuss a Constitutional Convention. I don't think I'll be available tomorrow at 1 pm Pacific. Anyone else want to call in and discuss this?

[edit]

Kimberly? Would you breach this subject, as this is the provision placed in the Constitution for such a situation we find ourselves in. If it is true, as per Brook Agnew, that 40 States have declared their sovereignty from the corporate UNITED STATES, a Convention could be called.

[SilentFeathers]

Shopping list:

Popcorn (thinking jiffy pop cause it's just fun)

Milk Duds

Wheat grass (For the nuts and berry friends)

wizzbangs and fizzleshnitz (noise makers as every party needs them)

Don't forget to grab some extra rolls of toilet paper too....

[Kimberley]

Thanks, Kimberley -- FYI: That's actually 5:00 p.m. MOUNTAIN and 4:00 p.m. PACIFIC.

Also much looking forward to listening to Project Avalon's own KIMBERLEY hosting the show tomorrow -- Woo-Hoo...!!!! =)

Oh, and for anyone who wants to ask Drake a question this is the call-in number (6-9:00 p.m. Central, Wednesday, June 27th and ostensibly the same number for future shows as well):

(646) 716-4984

Thank you for the correction on the time!!

Yes the call-in number is always the same...The phone line is limited to 250 people so if you want to ask a question call in early... you can even call in up to 15 minutes before the show starts.

Also there is a chat room and that is limited to 500 people... the Drake folks are working on getting a chat room that holds a whole lot more, however it has not been enabled as of yet... so again if you want to be part of the chat room show up early.

You can only post in the chat if you have a Blog Talk Radio profile. No charge and your e-mail address is kept confidential if you start a profile.

Much love! :grouphug:

[promezeus]

This post is unworthy of Avalon. We are better than this.

This post is unworthy of Avalon. We are better than this.

[Kimberley]

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One more thing... I was introduced to a code of ethics back in elementary school that I have followed since then and I would like to share it here on this thread...

Praise in public and criticize in private.

And I have ramped up my code of ethics several years ago to not criticize at all. And that feels great!!

Much love to us all!!

[Bingzhu]

This thread is a great source of information about Drake's show/attempt to make the people free (choose for yourself). I'd like to thank everyone involved and especially Vivek who got the ball running a thread ago. I'd also like to remind you all that in his/her way, everyone here seems to be hoping for the best for the people. There is no need for flames.

kind regards, Bingzhu

[Whiskey_Mystic]

This post is unworthy of Avalon. We are better than this.

This post is unworthy of Avalon. We are better than this.

Promezeus, maybe we can talk about this in private. You are new here, so I am assisting you in knowing how we do and do not do things here. We discuss ideas, but we do not make attacks on each other. We slip sometimes, but this is what we aspire to. I can't say for sure, but I think your post was close enough to a straight ad hominem attack to almost cause a mod action, which we try to avoid. If you would like to better understand what I mean, you can pm me or ask one of the mods.

Welcome aboard and may your stay bring you new knowledge and insights. This is a wonderful place for civil discourse and the sharing and discussion of unusual ideas.

Namaste _()_

[Kristin]

The tittle of this thread is: Re: Drake: Updates, Clarifications and More... It would be great to see a respectful discussion from all parties on this subject without the need for personal attacks being a part of the communication... Imagine that you are new to Avalon and are on the fence about this issue, you come to this thread with the hope of "Clarification" and find well... the last ten posts, LOL. I would love to see an intelligent and peaceful debate about the subject at hand. Hugs and a hand shake out to all of you.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

[Cartomancer]

I think we need this guy here on our side in the fight against the evil running yellow dog imperialist scum we battle daily. Every time I see "suntori times" I think...What a surprise party...............

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[Whiskey_Mystic]

I think we need this guy here on our side in the fight against the evil running yellow dog imperialist scum be battle daily. Every time I see "suntori times" I think...What a surprise party...............

17130

That's a fact, Jack!

http://images.cornholiogogs.multiply.com/image/1/photos/upload/300x300/SXdBMAoKCp8AAATxb7c1/stripes155.jpg?et=l5bnC6MaQJbR3b8WHqquSQ&nmid=0

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The tittle of this thread is: Re: Drake: Updates, Clarifications and More... It would be great to see a respectful discussion from all parties on this subject without the need for personal attacks being a part of the communication... Imagine that you are new to Avalon and are on the fence about this issue, you come to this thread with the hope of "Clarification" and find well... the last ten posts, LOL. I would love to see an intelligent and peaceful debate about the subject at hand. Hugs and a hand shake out to all of you.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

Along that line, let's thank Avocadess and Kimberly for keeping us updated on the Drake releases and radio schedule. Thanks, guys.

[applecrusher1992]

Lady Dragon, who is the number one world renowned premiere video game purveyor,

Wait, what? I've been in the computer game industry for nearly twenty years and I have never heard of her.

Where you been man, under a rock? :p Here it is on her website, excerpt below!

Internationally known over 175 countries as the woman expert of the industry because of LadyDragon in depth knowledge on all the facets of the industry which include the PC, the Video and the Wireless. Now with the new Xbox 360 that just came out and the PlayStation 3 coming to the market to choose from plus with the PC upgrading all the time and adding more hardware and accessories to play with not counting that everything is moving to become wireless people all over the world relies on her expertise in order to get the true facts and information that they need for their purchases or their knowledge.

Since now everything or anyone that is successful will become or be in a game sooner or later LadyDragon brings you powerful interviews like the one with Dalene Kurtis and Craig Lieberman from the Fast and Furious movie and the 2 exclusives with Joanie Laurer formerly know as Chyna from the WWF ( World Wrestling Federation).

Plus special report like being at the Playboy Mansion when Playboy unveiled their new video game

http://www.ladydragon.com/a-ld.html

OMG I have been living under a rock too!! How couldn't I have known such a powerful and influential figure as lady dragon? :rolleyes: lol

[applecrusher1992]

There are claims that hundreds of millions of euros are being stolen from the banking system. I don't know if this is related to anything or not but its good to know and seems to be talked about a lot in the global voice 2012 facebook chat:

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=243859

[Cartomancer]

There are claims that hundreds of millions of euros are being stolen from the banking system. I don't know if this is related to anything or not but its good to know and seems to be talked about a lot in the global voice 2012 facebook chat:

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=243859

Most of those cases are related to the world trust established by St. Germain in the mid eighteenth century not any stash of hidden wealth from the 1930's. The world trust is a very large wad of money that is just sitting there and the bean counters just can't stand it. They have been siphoning it off for years and doing everything to subvert what it is supposed to be. It was meant to alleviate all debt and free the world of fiat money controlled by the ruling class. Instead they have artificially created a maze of banking and monetary institutions that keep this from happening. This whole Drake thing sounds like a poorly related version of this old story.

[Fred Steeves]

So what you are basically saying is we are screwed. Forget Drake. I guess we have no options except to watch as the fence is built around the sheepeople. I find this hard to accept. This is why I will continue to show people the fence being built around them so when the time comes, it won't be their first rodeo with what's going on. You have to first get them to look at the news media for what it is.

So how do we enlighten more people?

When I think about how so many people are so easily misled, not by this Drake stuff only but by MSM etc., it surly gives me a bad feeling inside instead of being filled with hope and promise.....I must say that for the bigger picture/largest extent of the state of things on a global and national scale, yes we are basically screwed. Sadly I feel it's going to get much uglier before things get pretty...

Now hold the phone just a minute there SF. Things likely to get uglier? Very likely, and anyone who is not unceasingly preparing themselves both physically, and spiritually, is just begging for suffering beyond imagination. But let me lay this on you. At this time four years ago, I was sad that George Bush couldn't run for a third term, and the McCain/Palin signs were proudly displayed in the front yard. Should I dare mention the bumper sticker I was sporting, also proudly and smugly on my truck, which read: "I Think, Therefore I Vote Republican"? Maybe not...:p

In hindsight, I'm really glad that there was no one beating me over the head with information I wasn't prepared to handle, and of course I wouldn't have listened anyway. Suddenly beginning to see through the Bush lies all on my own though, was as painful as it was empowering. As Jorr would say, "all is well" here.

Cheers,
Fred

[Bingzhu]

There are claims that hundreds of millions of euros are being stolen from the banking system. I don't know if this is related to anything or not but its good to know and seems to be talked about a lot in the global voice 2012 facebook chat:

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=243859


UK’s Sky News has just reported that a huge worldwide cyber bank raid is ongoing- €60 million have been confirmed stolen through 1 server, and a total of €2 billion is estimated to have been stolen through an additional 59 servers!

This is interesting indeed, but let's be honest. For you and me 60million confirmed and 2 billion estimated (how do they do this?) is a totally mindgoggling amount of funds, for the global banking system it isn't.

They will think it's peanuts.

[gripreaper]

There are claims that hundreds of millions of euros are being stolen from the banking system. I don't know if this is related to anything or not but its good to know and seems to be talked about a lot in the global voice 2012 facebook chat:

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=243859


UK’s Sky News has just reported that a huge worldwide cyber bank raid is ongoing- €60 million have been confirmed stolen through 1 server, and a total of €2 billion is estimated to have been stolen through an additional 59 servers!

This is interesting indeed, but let's be honest. For you and me 60million confirmed and 2 billion estimated (how do they do this?) is a totally mindgoggling amount of funds, for the global banking system it isn't.

They will think it's peanuts.

Jamie Dimon and JPM need to get their 4 billion back somehow, right?

[foreverfan]

The tittle of this thread is: Re: Drake: Updates, Clarifications and More... It would be great to see a respectful discussion from all parties on this subject without the need for personal attacks being a part of the communication... Imagine that you are new to Avalon and are on the fence about this issue, you come to this thread with the hope of "Clarification" and find well... the last ten posts, LOL. I would love to see an intelligent and peaceful debate about the subject at hand. Hugs and a hand shake out to all of you.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

http://a4.mzstatic.com/us/r1000/083/Purple/53/28/98/mzm.ohiwfewi.png

[Bingzhu]

Maybe they paid the hackers? :)

Anyway, what I`m wondering about is the size of the militia movement. Do you guys have any real numbers? My view about Drake isn't too positive, but what do you think about such an idea in theory? Is there any chance it works?

People have been talking about a constitutional convent. If you mix that with the ability to have a militia on arms, things might work out?

That militia would just have to defend such a convent in case. Do you guys think this works out? I'm not taking a stance, just trying to learn.

kind regards, Bingzhu

[aranuk]

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One more thing... I was introduced to a code of ethics back in elementary school that I have followed since then and I would like to share it here on this thread...

Praise in public and criticize in private.

And I have ramped up my code of ethics several years ago to not criticize at all. And that feels great!!

Much love to us all!!

My primary school motto was Truth will Prevail. I have always tried to live up to that.


Stan

[crosby]

aranuk, i like your new avatar. very classy.
warmest regards, corson

[Chester]

_______

On Ben Fulford's blog today (dated 26 June -- he's a day ahead of us in Tokyo):






There is a lot of talk of arrests this week, notably from “Drake,” however, our direct sources cannot confirm this. As David Icke pointed out, this writer has in the past quoted sources claiming deadlines that came and went with nothing happening. That is why we no longer quote specific deadlines.

I'm surprised to hear Benjamin Fulford quoting David Icke, as in one of his most recent interviews Icke says that both Fulford and David Wilcock are misinformed (though he doesn't think they are deliberately lying). I like David Icke, but I certainly don't take his statements at face value either -he's gotten info from a very wide range of sources over the years. He also says the moon is an artificial satellite created to be a spy station for TPTB. I'm not saying it's not true, but I don't believe it either, lol.

David Icke is most definitely correct about Fulford and David Wilcock.

Re the Moon being hollow (not a spy station for TPTB -- I've never heard him claim that!. I believe he said it was a monitoring station for the ETs, which is not impossible to believe) -- here are a couple of interesting anecdotes from Inelia, dating from a little over a year ago.

She came up to me one day and said, "Did you know the Moon was hollow?" Apparently, she'd just paid a visit to take a look. I asked her if she'd read any of David Icke's (and others') writings on the subject -- and she had not. She came up with the report all by herself.

She had a similar experience concerning the Dulce base. She'd never heard of it before, and I just referenced to her its existence in northern New Mexico. That's all I mentioned to her.

She immediately "went" to check it out. She was quite shocked. "I saw all kinds of genetic experiments... horrible things happening there", she said. I asked her if she'd ever heard about any of that from any other source... and she had not.

Bill with respect Sir, I have to ask you, do you believe what Inelia said to your questions? How can you believe that she didn't know about the hollow Earth talk? For God's sake I had heard about it and I am not any kind of celebrity on the alternative media side of things. I have read about Dulce base, but you actually believed she had never read about it or heard about it. Well Sir, you called people here gullible that believed in what Drake was saying. My, my, who believed that Charles/Atticus was the real deal, not I the gullible? A dictum of wisdom I learned as a small boy was that those in glass houses should not throw stones.

I rest my case.

Stan

EDIT: I had to edit out this post because I posted based on a misunderstanding of what I thought Stan implied. I was wrong in my impression thus this post was an inappropriate response.

[aranuk]

David Icke is most definitely correct about Fulford and David Wilcock.

Re the Moon being hollow (not a spy station for TPTB -- I've never heard him claim that!. I believe he said it was a monitoring station for the ETs, which is not impossible to believe) -- here are a couple of interesting anecdotes from Inelia, dating from a little over a year ago.

She came up to me one day and said, "Did you know the Moon was hollow?" Apparently, she'd just paid a visit to take a look. I asked her if she'd read any of David Icke's (and others') writings on the subject -- and she had not. She came up with the report all by herself.

She had a similar experience concerning the Dulce base. She'd never heard of it before, and I just referenced to her its existence in northern New Mexico. That's all I mentioned to her.

She immediately "went" to check it out. She was quite shocked. "I saw all kinds of genetic experiments... horrible things happening there", she said. I asked her if she'd ever heard about any of that from any other source... and she had not.

Bill with respect Sir, I have to ask you, do you believe what Inelia said to your questions? How can you believe that she didn't know about the hollow Earth talk? For God's sake I had heard about it and I am not any kind of celebrity on the alternative media side of things. I have read about Dulce base, but you actually believed she had never read about it or heard about it. Well Sir, you called people here gullible that believed in what Drake was saying. My, my, who believed that Charles/Atticus was the real deal, not I the gullible? A dictum of wisdom I learned as a small boy was that those in glass houses should not throw stones.

I rest my case.

Stan

Stan, maybe if you experienced for yourself significant psi phenomena, you might change your opinion. When I was a kid, I didn't believe in any 6th sense capabilities. Fortunately I have learned from first hand experience we actually do possess these abilities. One of my psi talents is with regards to intuition. Now I am going to speculate about one of my intuitions about you if you are willing to allow me to do so. Just give me the green light and I will PM you what has come through... if I am right on, then perhaps not only will you open your mind more to the possibility some of us have actually developed psi talent, but that my intuition hit home to something which, if you took it to heart, might lead to a more fulfilling life experience. You gut the ball, Stan - so go and I will will send the PM.
Best Regards, Stan - justoneman

Well I do experience significant psychic phenomena. You say if I did I might change my opinion. Opinion about what in particular? My mind is very open. I already am aware that some people have developed psi talent, why do you say that about me? Your reply to my above post to Bill doesn't seem to address it. I have no idea why you are speaking like this. Since I have had many spiritual experiences of my own, why do you think that I doubt anyone else from have similar experiences? I certainly do not doubt anyone's experiences.

Stan

[SilentFeathers]

So what you are basically saying is we are screwed. Forget Drake. I guess we have no options except to watch as the fence is built around the sheepeople. I find this hard to accept. This is why I will continue to show people the fence being built around them so when the time comes, it won't be their first rodeo with what's going on. You have to first get them to look at the news media for what it is.

So how do we enlighten more people?

When I think about how so many people are so easily misled, not by this Drake stuff only but by MSM etc., it surly gives me a bad feeling inside instead of being filled with hope and promise.....I must say that for the bigger picture/largest extent of the state of things on a global and national scale, yes we are basically screwed. Sadly I feel it's going to get much uglier before things get pretty...

Now hold the phone just a minute there SF. Things likely to get uglier? Very likely, and anyone who is not unceasingly preparing themselves both physically, and spiritually, is just begging for suffering beyond imagination. But let me lay this on you. At this time four years ago, I was sad that George Bush couldn't run for a third term, and the McCain/Palin signs were proudly displayed in the front yard. Should I dare mention the bumper sticker I was sporting, also proudly and smugly on my truck, which read: "I Think, Therefore I Vote Republican"? Maybe not...:p

In hindsight, I'm really glad that there was no one beating me over the head with information I wasn't prepared to handle, and of course I wouldn't have listened anyway. Suddenly beginning to see through the Bush lies all on my own though, was as painful as it was empowering. As Jorr would say, "all is well" here.

Cheers,
Fred

Thanks Fred, yeah, I probably haven't said some of these heavy things is the wisest of ways always, but I feel what I've said needed to be said, I've actually had to really control myself a couple of times :)

[promezeus]

Noisy Feathers is going to stop wasting our time? I mean stop wasting his breath? And United Serenity is professing to have found some love somewhere inside her ? Well damn . If that's possible, then anything is possible. This has renewed my faith in the possibility that Drake and cohorts might just be on the level and pull this thing off at some point. Thanks folks. :)

from serenity: I take a personal attack against me for sharing my heart as an honor. You really have no idea who I am or where my heart has always been, and though my words are sometimes harsh, they are from a place of love for each person here on Avalon. I will bear some responsibility in that I have not apparently sent out enough soft love energy to you and thus you do not know of whom I am sent and therefore I shall seek to remedy that situation, but I shall not disengage my brain or curtail my expression of truth as I know it.

Much love to you Promezeus.Serenity

My post above was deleted by the mods. They said that one or more people complained that it was offensive. These members could have simply put me on ignore. That would have been the respectful thing to do. But instead they go to the police, the mods, to do their dirty work for them so that no one gets to read my post because this particular person doesn't like it. That way they shift responsibility to the authority figure. This is the way a slave or a child thinks. Maybe one of those who complained was Serenity who says above that she took my post as an honor and even sends me her love (but then privately, she stabbed me in the back and complained to the mods?) I think this kiind of gross hypocrisy is more the norm here, than the exception. And the mods perpetuate and promote it. It's interesting that Drake is trying to free this country from the nazi cabal, but the same kind of lack of integrity and slave mentality exists right here, which supports the cabal. I would guess that most of the people in this forum have no idea what free speech is about. They think it means free speech for them, if they can get away with it, but not for the other guy. You ought to look up the legal definition of libel sometime, and you might begin to understand what the founders of the u.s. constitution thought about free speech. I'll give you a clue...ad hominem has nothing whatsoever to do with free speech.
One thing I like about drake is that he believes in freedom. It's no wonder why many people in this forum don't like him. They don't want to be liberated. They are not generally living at the bottom of the totem pole so why should they care? They are more comfortable having an authority that subjugates and dominates everyone, so they can be protected from free-thinking people like drake and me. And strangely enough, if you asked them, they would tell you they are free.
This will likely be my final post ever in this forum .

[ThePythonicCow]

I think this kiind of gross hypocrisy is more the norm here, than the exception. And the mods perpetuate and promote it. It's interesting that Drake is trying to free this country from the nazi cabal, but the same kind of lack of integrity and slave mentality exists right here which supports the cabal. I would guess that most of the people in this forum have no idea what free speech is about.
There is a fundamental difference between organizations that one can reasonably choose to join, or not, and organizations that one is stuck with.

There is a fundamental difference between organizations that have little power over you, and organizations that can kill or torture or imprison you or your loved ones at will.

Organizations that you're stuck with, and that can exercise essentially unlimited power over your physical being and possessions absolutely must honor your freedoms of speech, property and such ... if they don't you're screwed.

But freedoms include the right of like minded people to associate and to establish norms for how members of their voluntary groups are to behave.

It is not a violation of your free speech rights for a voluntary and rather impotent group to insist that you behave a certain way while participating in that group.

It is advocating a violation of the rights of voluntary association to insist that you be allowed to say anything you want, anywhere, while participating in a group activity.

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In other words -- this is a moderated forum. Deal with it on those terms, or go elsewhere. Your free choice.

[Chester]

Stan, maybe if you experienced for yourself significant psi phenomena, you might change your opinion. When I was a kid, I didn't believe in any 6th sense capabilities. Fortunately I have learned from first hand experience we actually do possess these abilities. One of my psi talents is with regards to intuition. Now I am going to speculate about one of my intuitions about you if you are willing to allow me to do so. Just give me the green light and I will PM you what has come through... if I am right on, then perhaps not only will you open your mind more to the possibility some of us have actually developed psi talent, but that my intuition hit home to something which, if you took it to heart, might lead to a more fulfilling life experience. You gut the ball, Stan - so go and I will will send the PM.
Best Regards, Stan - justoneman

Well I do experience significant psychic phenomena. You say if I did I might change my opinion. Opinion about what in particular? My mind is very open. I already am aware that some people have developed psi talent, why do you say that about me? Your reply to my above post to Bill doesn't seem to address it. I have no idea why you are speaking like this. Since I have had many spiritual experiences of my own, why do you think that I doubt anyone else from have similar experiences? I certainly do not doubt anyone's experiences.

Stan

Hi Stan - I will send the PM because its something I wanted to do for awhile anyway - but since I started this publicly, I needed to allow it to play out a bit publicly.

First, I really have to apologize. When I read your post the first time, I somehow got the impression you doubted psi ability in general. After re-reading your post, I am wondering why I concluded that. I then read some of the other posts near yours and realized I was reacting more so to the recent trend and somehow mistook you had the same view in your post that I responded to.

Now for what I will PM about - for those reading the thread, is not anything negative... it was just something I thought would best remain private as it was personal for Stan.

Again, I apologize for false conclusion, Stan. - PM soon... justone

[gripreaper]

http://i.imgur.com/1TOTi.gif

[Chester]

Its my view what happens on this thread is simply people allowing their passion to get the best of them. We all are passionate that we are sick and tired of being screwed by the PTB/Ws.

Some saw and still see Drake and the Plan as a possibility to free ourselves from the death grip of the cabal. Others believe it is all BS and at best a distraction but at worst a psy-op that could actually lead to providing the excuse for implementation of martial law, the very thing we fear most in the US.

There's a third group that seems to be attempting their best to keep the discussion civil and I would point out that Avocadess and Kimberly in particular have done a great job of taking the high road most of the time.

Yes, the thread title says what it says and the naysayers seem to ignore it, but there is no thread (yet) that is titled, Do you believe Drake and the Plan are for real? and there is no thread entitled, If you think the Plan is for real, do you think it should be implemented? So we hash all this out in this single thread.

Regardless of which group any of us might fall within, posts that denigrate another, either directly or between the lines are counter productive.

This thread has devolved to this level several times already. Should we create these two other threads?

Do you believe Drake and the Plan are for real?

If you think the Plan as promoted by Drake is for real, do you think it should be implemented?

[ThePythonicCow]

Yes, the thread title says what it says and the naysayers seem to ignore it, but there is no thread (yet) that is titled, Do you believe Drake and the Plan are for real? and there is no thread entitled, If you think the Plan is for real, do you think it should be implemented? So we hash all this out in this single thread.

Regardless of which group any of us might fall within, posts that denigrate another, either directly or between the lines are counter productive.

Nice post.

Actually there is such a contrary thread - see Drake and Teri - a contrary view. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43958-Drake-and-Teri-a-contrary-view.) However it has not had a post in three weeks. Back in the beginning of this thread, I forked off the dissenting posts into this contrary view thread, in an effort to keep the discussions as two civil discussions, rather than one combative discussion. The mods and myself gave up enforcing that split after a while.

[applecrusher1992]

Noisy Feathers is going to stop wasting our time? I mean stop wasting his breath? And United Serenity is professing to have found some love somewhere inside her ? Well damn . If that's possible, then anything is possible. This has renewed my faith in the possibility that Drake and cohorts might just be on the level and pull this thing off at some point. Thanks folks. :)

from serenity: I take a personal attack against me for sharing my heart as an honor. You really have no idea who I am or where my heart has always been, and though my words are sometimes harsh, they are from a place of love for each person here on Avalon. I will bear some responsibility in that I have not apparently sent out enough soft love energy to you and thus you do not know of whom I am sent and therefore I shall seek to remedy that situation, but I shall not disengage my brain or curtail my expression of truth as I know it.

Much love to you Promezeus.Serenity

My post above was deleted by the mods. They said that one or more people complained that it was offensive. These members could have simply put me on ignore. That would have been the respectful thing to do. But instead they go to the police, the mods, to do their dirty work for them so that no one gets to read my post because this particular person doesn't like it. That way they shift responsibility to the authority figure. This is the way a slave or a child thinks. Maybe one of those who complained was Serenity who says above that she took my post as an honor and even sends me her love (but then privately, she stabbed me in the back and complained to the mods?) I think this kiind of gross hypocrisy is more the norm here, than the exception. And the mods perpetuate and promote it. It's interesting that Drake is trying to free this country from the nazi cabal, but the same kind of lack of integrity and slave mentality exists right here, which supports the cabal. I would guess that most of the people in this forum have no idea what free speech is about. They think it means free speech for them,for if they can get away with it, but not for the other guy. You ought to look up the legal definition of libel sometime, and you might begin to understand what the founders of the u.s. constitution thought about free speech. I'll give you a clue...ad hominem has nothing whatsoever to do with free speech.
One thing I like about drake is that he believes in freedom. It's no wonder why many people in this forum don't like him. They don't want to be liberated. They are generally not living at the bottom of the totem pole so why should they care? They are more comfortable having an authority that subjugates and dominates everyone, so they can be protected from free thinking people like drake and me. And strangely enough if you asked them, they would tell you they are free.
This will likely be my final post ever in this forum .

Hey Promezeus

Sorry to hear about what happened. One thing this forum has turned into is a game of blaming and finger pointing at different different people. I see two different sides forming and I am not naming names because everyone who is following already knows. And frankly everyone is to blame for this even myself. One side seems to want to find a fault in everything that Drake says to the point of fanaticism. This could be because they can see through this experience for the fraud it is or because of similar past experiences that have ultimately ended in failure. The other side wants to continue to hold on to the hope of Drake even though there isn't any direct evidence of what he says to be true. And this could be used against the American people. However there is evidence of interesting things to come and there is a ton of evidence that this is the point in human history where things will start to change for the better. My point is let's stop this nonsense and have constructive criticism and use this forum for updates instead of personal attacks. I don't care who started it. We already lost one member from this. Do we really want to lose more and alienate people? I appreciate everyone's comments because they have given me balance. But the amount of hope in some people is just minuscule. Not even about Drake but just in general. To those people lighten up a bit because we are going to make it and it will be glorious.

[Unified Serenity]

Noisy Feathers is going to stop wasting our time? I mean stop wasting his breath? And United Serenity is professing to have found some love somewhere inside her ? Well damn . If that's possible, then anything is possible. This has renewed my faith in the possibility that Drake and cohorts might just be on the level and pull this thing off at some point. Thanks folks. :)

from serenity: I take a personal attack against me for sharing my heart as an honor. You really have no idea who I am or where my heart has always been, and though my words are sometimes harsh, they are from a place of love for each person here on Avalon. I will bear some responsibility in that I have not apparently sent out enough soft love energy to you and thus you do not know of whom I am sent and therefore I shall seek to remedy that situation, but I shall not disengage my brain or curtail my expression of truth as I know it.

Much love to you Promezeus.Serenity

My post above was deleted by the mods. They said that one or more people complained that it was offensive. These members could have simply put me on ignore. That would have been the respectful thing to do. But instead they go to the police, the mods, to do their dirty work for them so that no one gets to read my post because this particular person doesn't like it. That way they shift responsibility to the authority figure. This is the way a slave or a child thinks. Maybe one of those who complained was Serenity who says above that she took my post as an honor and even sends me her love (but then privately, she stabbed me in the back and complained to the mods?) I think this kiind of gross hypocrisy is more the norm here, than the exception. And the mods perpetuate and promote it. It's interesting that Drake is trying to free this country from the nazi cabal, but the same kind of lack of integrity and slave mentality exists right here, which supports the cabal. I would guess that most of the people in this forum have no idea what free speech is about. They think it means free speech for them, if they can get away with it, but not for the other guy. You ought to look up the legal definition of libel sometime, and you might begin to understand what the founders of the u.s. constitution thought about free speech. I'll give you a clue...ad hominem has nothing whatsoever to do with free speech.
One thing I like about drake is that he believes in freedom. It's no wonder why many people in this forum don't like him. They don't want to be liberated. They are not generally living at the bottom of the totem pole so why should they care? They are more comfortable having an authority that subjugates and dominates everyone, so they can be protected from free-thinking people like drake and me. And strangely enough, if you asked them, they would tell you they are free.
This will likely be my final post ever in this forum .

At this point Promezeus, what is good for the goose is good for the gander. I can take slap for you taking umbridge of my truth, but that does not mean I have to let it stand unchallenged. I am simply honored by the necessity you and some others here find in attacking me personally and questioning my integrity and heart which comes from my spiritual truth understanding. A mod removed a post of mine on another thread regarding another member very recently within minutes of my posting because she, the mod, saw it as an ad hominem attack when in fact I was actually sincerely offering a service. So, if some mods and members wish to treat my posts so aggressively when they are not an attack then when a post is an obvious rude and insulting post directed my way and it's allowed to stay for over a day, I think it should be pointed out. So, there is no back stabbing. Ad hominem attacks are not allowed on the forum. I'll leave it at that.

I am happy to discuss differences in ideas with you, and I have not personally attacked you. If you wish to converse over differences of views and opinions, I am happy to do so with no anger, vitriol, name calling involved.

much love,

Serenity

[the_vast_mystery]

I'm thinking we're getting into the "personal attacks" territory because people on either side aren't willing to admit to their own unreasonable desires. Both the people who are unwilling to admit they believe in Drake/The Plan entirely because they want or need on an emotional level to believe it exists, and equally those unwilling to respect that others have firmly made a choice (whether or not it is correct at this point is irrelevant) and that they need to be left to that choice and all it entails. Arguments aren't going to convince anyone, we've already hashed out every reason twelve times for and against Drake and "The Plan" and it's obvious who's latched on and is going to ride this out for as long as it takes.

It would be nice if someone would say: "Yes, I believe, not for any reason, not because I have any proof, but because I just gosh-darn want to, and you're only wasting your time trying to convince me to do otherwise." But that's not going to happen, and this thread is a testament to that and that no one is going to make any further progress by pointing these things out. Everyone's heard everything and saying any more will just agitate them further. We have scientific research that shows this approach is futile; beliefs cannot be changed with facts. So let's just end this with this: Whatever is actually the case, I just hope that after December we can all have a laugh, whether we were wrong or right about everything we're posting now. :)

[ThePythonicCow]

A mod removed a post of mine on another thread regarding another member very recently within minutes of my posting because she, the mod, saw it as an ad hominem attack when in fact I was actually sincerely offering a service.
That post that was removed read to me as a sarcastic attack as well; I one-hundred percent back the decision to remove that post.

I realize, from all you've said, that you did not intend that post that way, but it read that way to several members of the mod team.

We can't "moderate" all the posts that attack other members, and we can't even always agree on what is an attack or not. The failure of the mod team to conform to some members view of what is proper or not is not justification for the member to take things into their own hands in violation of the forum guidelines.

Really, this place works best when we each make our best effort to act in an honorable and respectful manner to each other, even if we don't think the other person is doing that or if we disagree with the mod teams actions.

[TargeT]

It would be nice if someone would say: "Yes, I believe, not for any reason, not because I have any proof, but because I just gosh-darn want to, and you're only wasting your time trying to convince me to do otherwise." But that's not going to happen, and this thread is a testament to that and that no one is going to make any further progress by pointing these things out. Everyone's heard everything and saying any more will just agitate them further. We have scientific research that shows this approach is futile; beliefs cannot be changed with facts. So let's just end this with this: Whatever is actually the case, I just hope that after December we can all have a laugh, whether we were wrong or right about everything we're posting now. :)

I think the debate is very useful and it helped me decide if I was going to invest time into this topic or not.

but your right on the "strongly held belief"; these generally provoke a reptilian brain responce & will not change with out the holder of those beliefs choosing to change them (usualy inspite of arguments agains their belief).

[Chester]

I'm thinking we're getting into the "personal attacks" territory because people on either side aren't willing to admit to their own unreasonable desires. Both the people who are unwilling to admit they believe in Drake/The Plan entirely because they want or need on an emotional level to believe it exists, and equally those unwilling to respect that others have firmly made a choice (whether or not it is correct at this point is irrelevant) and that they need to be left to that choice and all it entails. Arguments aren't going to convince anyone, we've already hashed out every reason twelve times for and against Drake and "The Plan" and it's obvious who's latched on and is going to ride this out for as long as it takes.

It would be nice if someone would say: "Yes, I believe, not for any reason, not because I have any proof, but because I just gosh-darn want to, and you're only wasting your time trying to convince me to do otherwise." But that's not going to happen, and this thread is a testament to that and that no one is going to make any further progress by pointing these things out. Everyone's heard everything and saying any more will just agitate them further. We have scientific research that shows this approach is futile; beliefs cannot be changed with facts. So let's just end this with this: Whatever is actually the case, I just hope that after December we can all have a laugh, whether we were wrong or right about everything we're posting now. :)

Well, honestly, and anyone who recalls my posts knows I went from believing "This is it!" to “well, maybe not” then with the aliens and ascension possibilities to, "I don't know but I am gonna believe in the plan anywys," to, “Drake may have had mystery school (Dragon) experience but that doesn't necessarily make him a satanist or a tool of the cabal”... where I then experienced his threats against Vivek and then discovered executions as part of the plan (both which lost my support permanently) to my recent and probably final conclusion that this Drake / Plan scenario is 99% for sure a creation of a few delusional individuals and/or a psy-op which at best is meant to be distracting but at worst could result in implementation of martial law.

All those swings occurred over the last three months until I found myself firmly grounded in my latest position about 3 weeks ago. But I would be lying if I said I am at my final resting place / point of view because I retain the right to change my views.

[Kristin]

Regardless of your views justoneman, you conduct yourself with respect here and it is very much appreciated! Very glad you are here!

From the Heart,
Wormhole

[Bill Ryan]

I then experienced his threats against Vivek and then discovered executions as part of the plan (both which lost my support permanently) to my recent and probably final conclusion that this Drake / Plan scenario is 99% for sure a creation of a few delusional individuals and/or a psy-op which at best is meant to be distracting but at worst could result in implementation of martial law.

This conclusion is certainly correct, and perfectly summarized.

[Billy]

Come together Brothers and Sisters, Why all the "you said, he said she said", Yet again some are allowing themselves to be emotionaly attached to others expressions.

Not just Drake's expressions or David W, or Benjamin F, And all the newcomers on the block like Cobra, Some other ET delegation that wants a slice of the pie. But also Avalonians attached to other Avalonians expressions. Which in turn stirr up emotions and express words that are upsetting towards others.

Are not Drake and many many others onworld, also behind the scenes manipulating possibilities and off world expresssing their own energetic possibilities or potentials of time lines that may be possible. So they express the potentials in the hope that the rest of humanity take it up and manifest them into the illusionary reality.

When all the time what is really important is what is it you personally as an individual and collectively wish to manifest. What is the change you wish to see in our world.

Did you know that the USA Decleration of independance and the USA constitution was inspired by the Decleration of Abroath in Scotland in 1320. http://www.constitution.org/scot/arbroath.htmIt was all about freedom from the controllers of that time, not much has changed there. The USA fought against the very same controllers more than 300 years later. And here we are today still crying for freedom from the controllers.

Quote,
For as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom — for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.
From The Declaration of Arbroath 1320.

All Drake is doing along with many others, is showing a potential time line. What kind of freedom is it everyone seeks today. This is what is important. not wasting valued energy pointing fingers at each other. But using your creative energy creating something new.

Peace

[LarryC]

The tittle of this thread is: Re: Drake: Updates, Clarifications and More... It would be great to see a respectful discussion from all parties on this subject without the need for personal attacks being a part of the communication... Imagine that you are new to Avalon and are on the fence about this issue, you come to this thread with the hope of "Clarification" and find well... the last ten posts, LOL. I would love to see an intelligent and peaceful debate about the subject at hand. Hugs and a hand shake out to all of you.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

I've missed a lot of the personal attacks, but that's probably because I've been making strategic use of the Ignore button, lol.

I don't know if this is something that any forums do, but I think it might be a good idea if the person who starts a thread had the power to moderate it. That would prevent threads from getting hijacked. Not sure how complicated this would be from a technical standpoint, but it would be an interesting experiment at least.

[9eagle9]

Drake is Psy ops. I doubt he knows that consciously but someone out there knows how he's being handled even if he doesn't.

It's obvious the way this whole drama is conducted. Truth and reality are not conducted in fantasies, speculations, updates and news reports that get further away from anything even remotely approaching wise.

Even his adherents chasten us for criticism of the controllers so that the control is kept hidden. As if it could be after all we know. Or rather after all what SOME of us have know--which are those who object to this plan. Why does it matter if it's not real? To send a clear message that we are not inviting in more control .

There are those here in this conversation who can see the obvious. So yes we are objecting to more control. Granted we aren't supposed to criticize it ( now let's not criticize our governors) but we are objecting to more control.

Isn't that what everyone objects to...control?

There is not an iota of wise or divine advice in this whole matter. A dizzy drama meant to tiltillate bored housewives and armchair warriors and keep them distracted from where the true power likes at, keep their minds tangled up in stories where the DOD suddenly becomes the good guys, the ET's all land and hold everyone in suspended animation, execute all that protest this inanity, and then go empty out the banks and Gold Reserves so people can continue to live in the same vapid uninterrupted way they live now--controlled.

Clue: The Dod is not managed by the Feds, its managed by a letter agency of some global consortium.

Not one word about what might occur after the fact. How to be free of control. How to create a new economic goal, how to LIVE without control. No because the plan itself is about a few 'other side' people having control.

It's not divine, its not sovereignty, no REAL freedom on all levels of one's existence, not one mention of a created reality, just a mock up of the old one, and there is no speculation on what we the people will do to prevent this sort of control from ever happening again when the entire plan is staged by those who want control. If they had their way that control would continue on into the aftermath of whatever might come and we are just in another system of control.

And are controlled themselves.

Yes there are some few who want to LIVE, want LIFE, want the creation of something never seen before in our time, and are objecting to the sheer fantastical idiocy of a track we have traveled before. The fans of the plan clearly express themselves as not educated, (maybe filled with someone elses information) without any inner wisdom or experience in this sort of thing and you think I want to live in another version of Disney land with those sort of ignorant people attempting to manage the world's affairs?

What is Drake offering. Control.

That is free for the taking now.

We've already had all the control we can manage, because its someone elses control and not our own. We have control now, Control if Drakes plan ever, in the wildest suppositions ever came to pass.

Its time for something original.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Oh yes those people think they are going to somehow manage the worlds affairs when they cannot manage their own thread.

Lol.

Thanks Larry, gave me a good belly chuckle.




The tittle of this thread is: Re: Drake: Updates, Clarifications and More... It would be great to see a respectful discussion from all parties on this subject without the need for personal attacks being a part of the communication... Imagine that you are new to Avalon and are on the fence about this issue, you come to this thread with the hope of "Clarification" and find well... the last ten posts, LOL. I would love to see an intelligent and peaceful debate about the subject at hand. Hugs and a hand shake out to all of you.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

I've missed a lot of the personal attacks, but that's probably because I've been making strategic use of the Ignore button, lol.

I don't know if this is something that any forums do, but I think it might be a good idea if the person who starts a thread had the power to moderate it. That would prevent threads from getting hijacked. Not sure how complicated this would be from a technical standpoint, but it would be an interesting experiment at least.

[Kimberley]

************

This was just posted on Drakes web site:

http://americannationalmilitia.com/latest-updates/



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Posted on 06/27/2012


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[Heartsong]

It comes to mind that the Drake followers are proposing to take action from a love of law and order, constitutional foundations and individual freedom but are acting (or will be taking action) in contradiction to all those things.

I didn't vote for their revolution. I don't support their uprising.

Will those that are to be arrested be presented to the grand jury? Will they be properly accused, provided defense and a speedy trial? Will an audit be performed on the books of those accused of financial malfeasance or will it be assumed that since they are affluent they must be guilty of something?

Should all of this arresting come about (with or without the help of E.T.s) and people are dragged off in the middle of the night by this self appointed gestapo, what's to be done with the detainees? Are they to be re-educated or just done away with?

And for the rest of us who aren't rich, aren't political, aren't informed and aren't arrested. Those of us who watch this revolution happen. Who can we trust from that point on?

The old "cabal" with the laws and history? or, The "new gestapo" who might just decide that Methodists or Presbyterians are the next world's new "evil"?

Yes there are wrong things happening in the world. There are those powerful few who do things that are not in the best interest of the whole. But there are established mechanisms to curb the bad behaviors of others. Laws and law enforcement.

Yes, some laws are wrong. They got there by a process and can be removed by the same process.

No it's not easy. It's hard. It should be hard. It's that important.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

It comes to mind that the Drake followers are proposing to take action from a love of law and order, constitutional foundations and individual freedom but are acting (or will be taking action) in contradiction to all those things.

You make some good points, Heartsong. From the other side, I would think the perspective would be that existence of the current "government" is itself illegal and must be corrected with the constitution being the legal guide. I'm just guessing though.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

The tittle of this thread is: Re: Drake: Updates, Clarifications and More... It would be great to see a respectful discussion from all parties on this subject without the need for personal attacks being a part of the communication... Imagine that you are new to Avalon and are on the fence about this issue, you come to this thread with the hope of "Clarification" and find well... the last ten posts, LOL. I would love to see an intelligent and peaceful debate about the subject at hand. Hugs and a hand shake out to all of you.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

I've missed a lot of the personal attacks, but that's probably because I've been making strategic use of the Ignore button, lol.

I don't know if this is something that any forums do, but I think it might be a good idea if the person who starts a thread had the power to moderate it. That would prevent threads from getting hijacked. Not sure how complicated this would be from a technical standpoint, but it would be an interesting experiment at least.

I understand what you are saying, Larry, but Avalon's style is to allow different points of view, which can lead to greater understanding on all sides. If we allow thread starters to censor other views, we become a group of polarized subforums and we are no longer a community. If people want to have a place to share their views where they can have more control, there are plenty of free blog options available with free forum software.

What some people consider "hijacking" is often just another opinion that they don't want to hear. I'm sure the mods would be happy to assist in keeping a thread on topic with gentle nudges if asked.

I propose again that Avalon has "thread starters", not "thread owners". Nobody owns threads here. That sense of ownership that people have is false, in my opinion. This is a place for all of us. All threads are for all of us. Yes, we must be mature and responsible ourselves to make this a great forum, but I think we are up to the task.

All just my opinions (and I have an endless supply of them).

[9eagle9]

Currently we don't have a population that can comprehend certain aspects of the constitution.

With certain rights comes responsibility is the first that comes to mind.

Twould be a rather useless document until people get the real intention of it which is what rights are wrought from--responsibility.

We live in a society that has to make a law, a law mind you, not to kill gay people because they make certain aspects of our society 'nervous'. ..

Because people are not responsible they have certain rights taken away because....they aren't responsible with them.

We gave up our own control by becoming re-active and not re-sponsive. Responsiveness is the better part of responsibility.



It comes to mind that the Drake followers are proposing to take action from a love of law and order, constitutional foundations and individual freedom but are acting (or will be taking action) in contradiction to all those things.

You make some good points, Heartsong. From the other side, I would think the perspective would be that existence of the current "government" is itself illegal and must be corrected with the constitution being the legal guide. I'm just guessing though.

[the_vast_mystery]

Well, honestly, and anyone who recalls my posts knows I went from believing "This is it!" to “well, maybe not” then with the aliens and ascension possibilities to, "I don't know but I am gonna believe in the plan anywys," to, “Drake may have had mystery school (Dragon) experience but that doesn't necessarily make him a satanist or a tool of the cabal”... where I then experienced his threats against Vivek and then discovered executions as part of the plan (both which lost my support permanently) to my recent and probably final conclusion that this Drake / Plan scenario is 99% for sure a creation of a few delusional individuals and/or a psy-op which at best is meant to be distracting but at worst could result in implementation of martial law.

All those swings occurred over the last three months until I found myself firmly grounded in my latest position about 3 weeks ago. But I would be lying if I said I am at my final resting place / point of view because I retain the right to change my views.

No, what I meant was that anyone who was going to change their minds already would have, and we both obviously did. I was in the tank as well at first because I was still buying in to David Wilcock at the time and Drake was part of what finally shook me up and out of that. Since then we've had Vivek's thread as well as this one and we've had every single thing said or done by Drake and Co put under the microscope. So at this point anyone still reading has already made up their minds where they stand, and if they haven't yet then they'll probably read all of our old posts and arrive at the same conclusion as one of the above two groups. I just don't think we're going to get any further with this discussion and I'd hate to see it turn into a point of contention here between groups of members.

But I'm just like you, some other guy adding his own perspective and two cents to the mix. People will do what they want to do, I was just hoping saying that might help bring the more bitter discussions to a close.


It comes to mind that the Drake followers are proposing to take action from a love of law and order, constitutional foundations and individual freedom but are acting (or will be taking action) in contradiction to all those things.

I didn't vote for their revolution. I don't support their uprising.

Will those that are to be arrested be presented to the grand jury? Will they be properly accused, provided defense and a speedy trial? Will an audit be performed on the books of those accused of financial malfeasance or will it be assumed that since they are affluent they must be guilty of something?

Should all of this arresting come about (with or without the help of E.T.s) and people are dragged off in the middle of the night by this self appointed gestapo, what's to be done with the detainees? Are they to be re-educated or just done away with?

And for the rest of us who aren't rich, aren't political, aren't informed and aren't arrested. Those of us who watch this revolution happen. Who can we trust from that point on?

The old "cabal" with the laws and history? or, The "new gestapo" who might just decide that Methodists or Presbyterians are the next world's new "evil"?

Yes there are wrong things happening in the world. There are those powerful few who do things that are not in the best interest of the whole. But there are established mechanisms to curb the bad behaviors of others. Laws and law enforcement.

Yes, some laws are wrong. They got there by a process and can be removed by the same process.

No it's not easy. It's hard. It should be hard. It's that important.

A "love for law and order" (at least in my book) has always been a really really nice way of saying "has a vindictive and judgmental nature, needs lots of catharsis to move on from something." So it's actually not contradictory at all if you consider that the phrase was invented as a diplomatic way of identifying people who have a strong desire to ensure others are punished harshly for their transgressions and that they consider finding a scapegoat to punish far more important than the actual goals that punishment was ever meant to be a means to carry out (such as providing a legitimate deterrent against aberrant behavior.)

[Chester]

Well, honestly, and anyone who recalls my posts knows I went from believing "This is it!" to “well, maybe not” then with the aliens and ascension possibilities to, "I don't know but I am gonna believe in the plan anywys," to, “Drake may have had mystery school (Dragon) experience but that doesn't necessarily make him a satanist or a tool of the cabal”... where I then experienced his threats against Vivek and then discovered executions as part of the plan (both which lost my support permanently) to my recent and probably final conclusion that this Drake / Plan scenario is 99% for sure a creation of a few delusional individuals and/or a psy-op which at best is meant to be distracting but at worst could result in implementation of martial law.

All those swings occurred over the last three months until I found myself firmly grounded in my latest position about 3 weeks ago. But I would be lying if I said I am at my final resting place / point of view because I retain the right to change my views.

No, what I meant was that anyone who was going to change their minds already would have, and we both obviously did. I was in the tank as well at first because I was still buying in to David Wilcock at the time and Drake was part of what finally shook me up and out of that. Since then we've had Vivek's thread as well as this one and we've had every single thing said or done by Drake and Co put under the microscope. So at this point anyone still reading has already made up their minds where they stand, and if they haven't yet then they'll probably read all of our old posts and arrive at the same conclusion as one of the above two groups. I just don't think we're going to get any further with this discussion and I'd hate to see it turn into a point of contention here between groups of members.

But I'm just like you, some other guy adding his own perspective and two cents to the mix. People will do what they want to do, I was just hoping saying that might help bring the more bitter discussions to a close.


It comes to mind that the Drake followers are proposing to take action from a love of law and order, constitutional foundations and individual freedom but are acting (or will be taking action) in contradiction to all those things.

I didn't vote for their revolution. I don't support their uprising.

Will those that are to be arrested be presented to the grand jury? Will they be properly accused, provided defense and a speedy trial? Will an audit be performed on the books of those accused of financial malfeasance or will it be assumed that since they are affluent they must be guilty of something?

Should all of this arresting come about (with or without the help of E.T.s) and people are dragged off in the middle of the night by this self appointed gestapo, what's to be done with the detainees? Are they to be re-educated or just done away with?

And for the rest of us who aren't rich, aren't political, aren't informed and aren't arrested. Those of us who watch this revolution happen. Who can we trust from that point on?

The old "cabal" with the laws and history? or, The "new gestapo" who might just decide that Methodists or Presbyterians are the next world's new "evil"?

Yes there are wrong things happening in the world. There are those powerful few who do things that are not in the best interest of the whole. But there are established mechanisms to curb the bad behaviors of others. Laws and law enforcement.

Yes, some laws are wrong. They got there by a process and can be removed by the same process.

No it's not easy. It's hard. It should be hard. It's that important.

A "love for law and order" (at least in my book) has always been a really really nice way of saying "has a vindictive and judgmental nature, needs lots of catharsis to move on from something." So it's actually not contradictory at all if you consider that the phrase was invented as a diplomatic way of identifying people who have a strong desire to ensure others are punished harshly for their transgressions and that they consider finding a scapegoat to punish far more important than the actual goals that punishment was ever meant to be a means to carry out (such as providing a legitimate deterrent against aberrant behavior.)

Hi Vast - from your above stated perspective, I agree most if not all of us have made up our mind by now. I was thinking about new folks that have recently joined or may soon join. They may benefit from the mental ping pong and there's still plenty of us willing to assist and from various points of view... justoneman

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I used to allow myself to feel hurt by the sticks and stones hurled at me on this thread. I finally became "numb" to them after the initial stings -- and putting quite a number of people on my "ignore" list.

I find it very ironic that Promezeus's post which made a witty remark implying one of those peole (who has loved to hurl sticks and stones at me back when I still read her posts) as being less than loving was DELETED by a Mod because a couple people complained.

All I can say is -- those of you who are here only to hurl insults, and you know who you are -- if you don't like people to make unkind remarks to you then why are you so unkind to others? Something to think about.

I also appreciate much of what Promezeus had to say in defense of himself and further critiquing some of the "darlings of the Mods" on this thread.

[modwiz]

Currently we don't have a population that can comprehend certain aspects of the constitution.

With certain rights comes responsibility is the first that comes to mind.

Twould be a rather useless document until people get the real intention of it which is what rights are wrought from--responsibility.

We live in a society that has to make a law, a law mind you, not to kill gay people because they make certain aspects of our society 'nervous'. ..

Because people are not responsible they have certain rights taken away because....they aren't responsible with them.

We gave up our own control by becoming re-active and not re-sponsive. Responsiveness is the better part of responsibility.



It comes to mind that the Drake followers are proposing to take action from a love of law and order, constitutional foundations and individual freedom but are acting (or will be taking action) in contradiction to all those things.

You make some good points, Heartsong. From the other side, I would think the perspective would be that existence of the current "government" is itself illegal and must be corrected with the constitution being the legal guide. I'm just guessing though.

You go girl! er, woman, erm, ma'am, ahh, m'lady. Oh yeah, good post, even though Whiskey Mystic's reining in the concern for the crime families running things was needed, IMO.

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REMINDER: Drake's show begins in less than an hour.

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If you would like to ask a question, call this number (and call it early). You can listen to the show on the phone while waiting for your chance to speak:

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I'm sorry but I am not going to be able to transcribe today. I've got other things in my life which I am doing today and therefore will miss out on all the fun. I hope someone will transcribe though so I can read it later.

Please let me now if a Constitutional Convention is discussed.

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Back to DRAKE -- whose show begins at 6:00 p.m. Central and goes until 9:00 p.m. Central -- the title of the show today is 'PREEMPTIVE PREPAREDNESS."

Personally, I believe that the majority of our population is not able to do much to prepare in any physical sense, but what little people CAN do, what does it hurt to be prepared? Not a bit (at least as long as you are not storing up a ton of things that expire too soon).

However for me the most important part of preparing is to continue to work on living with myself and those around me with as much harmony and grace as possible. (Which certainly can be easier said than done!! When I lived just with my son for 15 years we had near total harmony, but different roommates have certainly given me some interesting challenges!!)

There are some things I am asking of myself, and I clearly have not mastered them because I keep having to ask myself again and again: to learn not to complain. When we complain we are not helping ourselves nor are we helping others; and in fact, we can wear down their spirits.

It's amazing the huge effect we have on one another. When I cannot bring myself to "trust" or "agree with" a stranger, I do my very best to "let it be" in a silent acceptance. Only when I see such a person doing harm to himself or herself, to me or to others do I wish to speak up in confrontation.

There are so many beautiful people in this world. I remind myself to look for beauty and lessons in everyone I meet. (I keep forgetting that one too -- but I'm working on it...!!!)

Wishing you the best day EVER..!!

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[SKAWF]

i read something once, it was an interview with a truly awful wretched excuse for a human...
but there was something he said that stuck with me.

the truth is of little value unless utilised in some way.

ignoring someone here, does more than just remove their posts from your screen,
it also solidifies your opinion of that person. you place a mark in your own book really.

nuff

[applecrusher1992]

Back to DRAKE -- whose show begins at 6:00 p.m. Central and goes until 9:00 p.m. Central -- the title of the show today is 'PREEMPTIVE PREPAREDNESS."

Personally, I believe that the majority of our population is not able to do much to prepare in any physical sense, but what little people CAN do, what does it hurt to be prepared? Not a bit (at least as long as you are not storing up a ton of things that expire too soon).

However for me the most important part of preparing is to continue to work on living with myself and those around me with as much harmony and grace as possible. (Which certainly can be easier said than done!! When I lived just with my son for 15 years we had near total harmony, but different roommates have certainly given me some interesting challenges!!)

There are some things I am asking of myself, and I clearly have not mastered them because I keep having to ask myself again and again: to learn not to complain. When we complain we are not helping ourselves nor are we helping others; and in fact, we can wear down their spirits.

It's amazing the huge effect we have on one another. When I cannot bring myself to "trust" or "agree with" a stranger, I do my very best to "let it be" in a silent acceptance. Only when I see such a person doing harm to himself or herself, to me or to others do I wish to speak up in confrontation.

There are so many beautiful people in this world. I remind myself to look for beauty and lessons in everyone I meet. (I keep forgetting that one too -- but I'm working on it...!!!)

Wishing you the best day EVER..!!

Avocadess

Thanks Avocadess

You seem to be the only one following the true purpose of the forum "Updates and clarifications and more". Got to go the show is on now.

[SKAWF]

i think the rest of it falls under the heading, 'and more'.
at least i'm sure that thats what would be argued,
should any of this ever get to court.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Lots of people have been posting "clarifications".

[Kimberley]

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click on forum sign up (its free and we will not be using your e-mails) :-) And then after you are registered click on forum again and then click on chat Room under the Global Voice 2012 banner at the top!!

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Much Love !! :grouphug:

[Ishtar]

So he just moved the date again.

[Kimberley]

So he just moved the date again.

Yes Drake is saying we will have the best July 4th celebration ever !!! I want this to be true! That's soon!!!

We will see... I am not in favor of naming dates...

Much love to us all!!! :grouphug:

[we-R-one]

oh boy....this Drake show is sounding like RUSA all over again....This is exactly what Tim Turner said to us....."you're going to have the best 4th of July ever"........god, this is like re-living that experience all over again....such bad memories.

I hope for those who believe in Drake that you're not getting your chains jerked, cause it's an awful feeling when the 4th arrives, nothing has happened as promised and there's no calvary arriving to save you. As mentioned before, I just can't go there again. I hope those who believe won't have the same disappointing experience myself and others did when the supposed similar events that Drake is touting don't take place.

PS I'm not trying to be mean and I have no malice towards those who believe.