Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[9eagle9]

well...

You could laugh or you could cry. Since the Drake supporters want things to be positive I'll find something to laugh about....

I'm sure crying would be perceived as negative or fearful.

[Unified Serenity]

Here is an update from Realist News:

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[foreverfan]

Here is an update from Realist News:

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Imagine that... another person who says this is a fraud. I bet that was hard to find.

[Maunagarjana]

After reading the last page of posts, I'm beginning to wonder if what I'm interpreting as rudeness by the anti-Drake crowd could really be just them drunk off their asses every time they post. Maybe I should get drunk and see if I experience this thread differently. ;)

Dear Maunagarjana,

The "spirit" of the last pages has left me laughing so hard my sides hurt, so I am most grateful for the gift of laughter. For some of us it is difficult to take the Drake material seriously, nothing against the guy himself so it isn't an anti-Drake crowd, more like a "wake up folks reality crowd" that found the need to inject some humor.

"Mirth is God's best medicine."

La Tigra

Do keep in mind that the hard line skeptics would say the same to every single person who frequents this forum. It's strange to me that people who are so far out on the fringes have adopted the attitudes of these same dismissive, demeaning, determined-to-disbelieve, know-it-all skeptics.

[9eagle9]

It's fun and it makes us laugh. I thought someone already told you that.

People don't laugh at real life serious situations so intuitively we know its a comedy and what do you do when watching a comedy......?





After reading the last page of posts, I'm beginning to wonder if what I'm interpreting as rudeness by the anti-Drake crowd could really be just them drunk off their asses every time they post. Maybe I should get drunk and see if I experience this thread differently. ;)

Dear Maunagarjana,

The "spirit" of the last pages has left me laughing so hard my sides hurt, so I am most grateful for the gift of laughter. For some of us it is difficult to take the Drake material seriously, nothing against the guy himself so it isn't an anti-Drake crowd, more like a "wake up folks reality crowd" that found the need to inject some humor.

"Mirth is God's best medicine."

La Tigra

Do keep in mind that the hard line skeptics would say the same to every single person who frequents this forum. It's strange to me that people who are so far out on the fringes have adopted the attitudes of these same dismissive, demeaning, determined-to-disbelieve, know-it-all skeptics.

[Hervé]

This is what some, if not most, of you are facing:



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This is, in short, what he says:


Exposure to true information does not matter anymore: A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information.

The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with informations [which are] authentic, true, with documents, with pictures [...] he will refuse to believe it.

That's the tragedy of the demoralization [step].

For those of you who might be mistaken as to the interpretation of which group falls into the category of the "demoralized," check the data... where and what are the real, actual data?


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This post is dedicated to Jorr who first posted about this guy's experience: KGB Agent tells you what the illusion is (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33351-KGB-Agent-tells-you-what-the-illusion-is)

[Maunagarjana]

It's fun and it makes us laugh. I thought someone already told you that.

People don't laugh at real life serious situations so intuitively we know its a comedy and what do you do when watching a comedy......?

Sorry, I'm not trying to be a downer. Just speaking my mind, as I know you are not shy of doing. If it'll make you feel better, I'll diss Drake a few times. :)

[9eagle9]

If it makes YOU feel better.

The people that are already laughing already feel good...that's why we are laughing.

[Unified Serenity]

What bothers me is that this false hope fantasy that Drake is spinning and now others are jumping on the bandwagon like lady dragon and cobra is that real people are affected by false hope. There are real problems in our world. Some people are incredibly frustrated, scared, and depressed. This Drake fiasco brings to my mind how a manic depressive goes in emotional swings. The greater the high the deeper the depression. Well, the greater the hope and people buying into it and when it crashes and it will, the greater their loss of hope and despair increases just as much. Real people are pinning their hopes on this Drake stuff, and while many can lap up the latest greatest scam artist bs and then laugh it off when it doesn't pan out, others are not as strong or callous. Some people are going to be hurt because they are putting their hope in a liar who doesn't give a damn about his word or who is affected by it.

[Hervé]

What bothers me is that this false hope fantasy that Drake is spinning and now others are jumping on the bandwagon like lady dragon and cobra is that real people are affected by false hope. There are real problems in our world. Some people are incredibly frustrated, scared, and depressed. This Drake fiasco brings to my mind how a manic depressive goes in emotional swings. The greater the high the deeper the depression. Well, the greater the hope and people buying into it and when it crashes and it will, the greater their loss of hope and despair increases just as much. Real people are pinning their hopes on this Drake stuff, and while many can lap up the latest greatest scam artist bs and then laugh it off when it doesn't pan out, others are not as strong or callous. Some people are going to be hurt because they are putting their hope in a liar who doesn't give a damn about his word or who is affected by it.

Isn't that parts and parcels of that demoralization step?

[Unified Serenity]

What bothers me is that this false hope fantasy that Drake is spinning and now others are jumping on the bandwagon like lady dragon and cobra is that real people are affected by false hope. There are real problems in our world. Some people are incredibly frustrated, scared, and depressed. This Drake fiasco brings to my mind how a manic depressive goes in emotional swings. The greater the high the deeper the depression. Well, the greater the hope and people buying into it and when it crashes and it will, the greater their loss of hope and despair increases just as much. Real people are pinning their hopes on this Drake stuff, and while many can lap up the latest greatest scam artist bs and then laugh it off when it doesn't pan out, others are not as strong or callous. Some people are going to be hurt because they are putting their hope in a liar who doesn't give a damn about his word or who is affected by it.

Isn't that parts and parcels of that demoralization step?

So it is. I don't have to let it happen without sounding the alarm. I am called to be a watchman. I am called to warn, for if I did not, then I would carry a heavy burden. As it is, when someone warns you, ask yourself if there is merit in their warning. Just because something makes us feel good does not mean it is good. Ask any heroin addict.

[applecrusher1992]

The global voice 2012 facebook page is like a pitbull ring. Everyone is after everyone else and there are rumors and information circulating that seem to form contradictions. We shall find soon enough how this turns out.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/137466796377979/

[gripreaper]

Bill Brockbrader


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMg8JSbaZqs

[Mu2143]

Bill Brockbrader is real trouble maker and his actions only going make things worse. This guy is acting out of fear and he thinks you need physical action to solve things when you should have focused on spiritual matters.
Your going to change nothing if you keep repeating they same freaking thing you already did in the past!!!

[Ishtar]

Bill Brockbrader’s video shows that we’re now moving into the end game of the Drake ‘plan’, and it’s going down just as many in this thread have predicted.

Political gamechangers always rely on ‘useful idiots’ such as Drake and Brockbrader, because they’re not very bright and so they cannot see through the idiocy of the plans that they’ve been manipulated into propagating. However, because they really believe these plans will work, their sincerity about the rightness of their cause shines through and infects others.

Drake and Brockbrader are ‘useful idiots’ because they don’t see how inciting people to riot, to swamp the justice system and to block all the roadways will not cause a military clamp down, a state of emergency and martial law to be swiftly declared across the whole country ~ the very thing that Brockbrader is saying it will prevent!

In case you missed that bit…

Brockbrader said at the beginning of the video that unless this mass action happens, there will be a false flag attack in which World War 3 will be declared and then all the dissidents will be rounded up ~ and by that he meant you folks, all of you who boarded the Drake train. So there's an implied threat right there.

Drake has been a Casting Central dream, with his down home, grand-poppy persona and his home made coffee recipes.

This has been a slow drip drip process, where people have been enticed by promises of mass arrests in which they don’t have to do anything but sit back and watch the fireworks. But now that you Drake followers have been had your expectations ramped up to what they consider to be a critical mass, and the disappointment is starting hit home from the realisation that nothing is going to happen on this Independence Day, they can now deliver the punchline, and that is, if you don’t take to the streets and bring the system to a halt… you will be arrested. However, the very opposite is true. Take to the streets and the very least that will happen to you will be arrest.

Drake has your email addresses, your Facebook addresses and your views are all over this thread, so you won’t be able to deny it. They've got you well hooked in by now. You will also be implicated, by association, in the $80 million dollar cyber-pilfering scam from the banks which Drake’s people claim was carried out by the ‘good guys’. I think you’re going to have a huge task getting that one over on the American people, that their pension funds were stolen all for the good of the cause. And then when they discover that you believe that the ETs are coming to save us all and shower fairy dust on the ‘evil cabal’ and throw them into the central sun, you will be lucky if you just get thrown into jail. Some of you will be put into mental homes.

Do you see where this is going now?

I hope you come to your senses and do not follow Bill Brockbrader’s advice to ‘make a greater sacrifice’… because you will be sacrificing your self, your family and your freedom right down the line.

I know I’m not popular when I say these things, but I’m willing to sacrifce popularity in the hope that some may hear me. I’d rather be unpopular than follow these useful idiot lemmings over the cliff. It's not too late to turn back.

[RedeZra]

i expect an alien invasion any day now

based on predictive programming


but i put no hope in aliens


because i believe they are fallen angels

and so in league with the devil and the ptb


sure some vip people might get arrested

but the devil is no respecter of persons


he wants NWO or total control of the population

[9eagle9]

I'd imagine its an entirely (almost entirely) energetic event that aliens would arrive, as we become more alienated from ourselves it would seem natural we'd attract that sort of energy.

Not the same as attracting extra terrestrials, I view the two to be entirely different things. Thus far the energetic circumstances for benevolent, helpful spiritually aligned race of ET's to land en-mass is hardly what I call on a optimal vibrational link considering most of the population doesn't know the difference between the two. If they are that in tune with their higher intelligience they can note right off the bat you can't do anything to 'help' those who decide to alienate themselves. I'm sure they would notice that the means to recapture themselves from alien constructs are readily accessible NOW and people still refuse that solution so why should they come here at all?

"Because they love us"

Ah, maybe they love themselves more.

And why any species of ET's that are allegedly of a higher composition would want to land on a alienated planet is beyond me. Or why so many people think they are so special in their alienation that another race is just dying to zip across the galaxy to enjoy their wretched company when just minimally aligned people find their company to be arduously vapid. .

[9eagle9]

Yet another instance of people selling out , again. Not a matter of good vs evil, its a matter of greed vs decency and it would seem greed its threaded itself into the equation again.


When I see the Drakes, Fulfords, Wilcocks of the world promoting this whole covert greed seduction, and then the people who fall for it, I once again get a pretty good meter of just how much progress we have made within ourselves as far as greed goes.




Bill Brockbrader’s video shows that we’re now moving into the end game of the Drake ‘plan’, and it’s going down just as many in this thread have predicted.

Political gamechangers always rely on ‘useful idiots’ such as Drake and Brockbrader, because they’re not very bright and so they cannot see through the idiocy of the plans that they’ve been manipulated into propagating. However, because they really believe these plans will work, their sincerity about the rightness of their cause shines through and infects others.

Drake and Brockbrader are ‘useful idiots’ because they don’t see how inciting people to riot, to swamp the justice system and to block all the roadways will not cause a military clamp down, a state of emergency and martial law to be swiftly declared across the whole country ~ the very thing that Brockbrader is saying it will prevent!

In case you missed that bit…

Brockbrader said at the beginning of the video that unless this mass action happens, there will be a false flag attack in which World War 3 will be declared and then all the dissidents will be rounded up ~ and by that he meant you folks, all of you who boarded the Drake train. So there's an implied threat right there.

Drake has been a Casting Central dream, with his down home, grand-poppy persona and his home made coffee recipes.

This has been a slow drip drip process, where people have been enticed by promises of mass arrests in which they don’t have to do anything but sit back and watch the fireworks. But now that you Drake followers have been had your expectations ramped up to what they consider to be a critical mass, and the disappointment is starting hit home from the realisation that nothing is going to happen on this Independence Day, they can now deliver the punchline, and that is, if you don’t take to the streets and bring the system to a halt… you will be arrested. However, the very opposite is true. Take to the streets and the very least that will happen to you will be arrest.

Drake has your email addresses, your Facebook addresses and your views are all over this thread, so you won’t be able to deny it. They've got you well hooked in by now. You will also be implicated, by association, in the $80 million dollar cyber-pilfering scam from the banks which Drake’s people claim was carried out by the ‘good guys’. I think you’re going to have a huge task getting that one over on the American people, that their pension funds were stolen all for the good of the cause. And then when they discover that you believe that the ETs are coming to save us all and shower fairy dust on the ‘evil cabal’ and throw them into the central sun, you will be lucky if you just get thrown into jail. Some of you will be put into mental homes.

Do you see now where this is going now?

I hope you come to your senses and do not follow Bill Brockbrader’s advice to ‘make a greater sacrifice’… because you will be sacrificing your self, your family and your freedom right down the line.

I know I’m not popular when I say these things, but I’m willing to sacrifce popularity in the hope that some may hear me. I’d rather be unpopular than follow these useful idiot lemmings over the cliff. It's not too late to turn back.

[Bo Atkinson]

I've read a small percentage of posts, here and there in this thread, but most of the posts which i took time read seemed more on the inquisitive "dare-to suppose-edge of varied-possibilities"... Tune in to see what things are claimed by Drake sources. Save the time following many links. Perhaps some staunch posts declared unwavering support.

On the other hand all avalonians would be hated by police-state supporters and implicated in any sort of "implications by association" which fit the hate of disclosure sources (like avalon).

We may have sailed into avalon on our own boats, but we are all on the same boat now.

[childs hood end]

All this time drakes bin telling people to be ready.. stock up...be organized, or equipped; ready: prepared... and a storm blows and hes NOT.... :o

what the f...

[Ishtar]

Speak for yourself, wavydome. ;)

I'm still in my one-woman plane. :plane:

[Bo Atkinson]

OK Ish ;)

But i was actually trying to see the double speak with which controllers handle things. I doubt they will micro-study each post and nuance. They just do what they do.

[Ishtar]

OK Ish ;)

But i was actually trying to see the double speak with which controllers handle things. I doubt they will micro-study each post and nuance. They just do what they do.

You're quite right.

I was just kidding around. ;)

[Billy]

July 4th tomorrow.

all quiet on the western front.

peace

[Bill Ryan]

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To provide some entertainment while we're holding our breath waiting for tomorrow's mass arrests, here's my reply to a an e-mail I received overnight:







On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 6:24 AM, _______ wrote:

Hi Bill,

Can I ask what your thoughts on the latest round of David Icke vs Wilcock and the whole mass arrests debacle?

I like both of them and who am I to judge whether Wilcock has been misinformed regarding the mass arrests thing. But Icke is going all out to discredit him big time via his 24th June newsletter.

Both of them are close friends of yours.

Both of them need their heads banging together! What do you think?

Thanks

[name supplied, UK]










Dear Friend:

It's 100% nonsense. Wilcock (who should know better) has been hugely misinformed. Drake is unreliable (I'm being charitable here!) and can be totally disregarded. David Icke is spot-on, as he almost always is. He's doing a good job.

It's Wilcock and Drake and the tens of thousands who have been promoting this fantasy who need their heads banged against something that will bring them to their logical senses. It's a massive, time-wasting, dangerous distraction, and is likely to be a psy-op of some kind designed to make people look the other way... the classic illusionist's stage trick.

It works every time, because people are so gullible, desperately wanting to believe impossible information.

With all best wishes, Bill

[bodhii71]

Well, I penned it in my day planner, so it's gotta happen right?....:confused: :flame:

[Bill Ryan]

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Re my post above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more&p=515849&viewfull=1#post515849) -- here's what David Icke wrote (enjoy!)

http://projectavalon.net/David_Icke_Newsletter_24_June_2012.pdf

http://projectavalon.net/David_Icke_Newsletter_24_June_2012.pdf

[Zencat]

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Re my post above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more&p=515849&viewfull=1#post515849) -- here's what David Icke wrote (enjoy!)

http://projectavalon.net/David_Icke_Newsletter_24_June_2012.pdf

http://projectavalon.net/David_Icke_Newsletter_24_June_2012.pdf


Thanks Bill .... very entertaining reading!

I think David Icke hits it out of the park with this one! :)

I hope Messrs. Wilcock, Fulford, Drake, Nidle, Cobra, and all others of similar ilk get to read it ....

[we-R-one]

Bill Brockbrader


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMg8JSbaZqs

I can tell he's been talking to Melt...not that what he's proposing is Melt's idea, but it'll never work. People operate in fear and you will never get enough of them to step up to the plate, he's wasting his time. This is not getting out of status quo- it's taking a status quo idea to fight status quo, and tell me when that's ever worked. You're not going to get millions of people to walk away from their paycheck, and oh by the way, the state he's in right now doesn't have millions of people in it, lol. All right, I'll shut up now, let the movement commence!

[Fred Steeves]

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Re my post above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more&p=515849&viewfull=1#post515849) -- here's what David Icke wrote (enjoy!)

http://projectavalon.net/David_Icke_Newsletter_24_June_2012.pdf

http://projectavalon.net/David_Icke_Newsletter_24_June_2012.pdf

Wow, that was a rant that would make even Alex Jones blush. I'll bet he felt better after getting THAT off his chest.(LOL)

Thanks Bill.

[gripreaper]

I can tell he's been talking to Melt...not that what he's proposing is Melt's idea, but it'll never work. People operate in fear and you will never get enough of them to step up to the plate, he's wasting his time. This is not getting out of status quo- it's taking a status quo idea to fight status quo, and tell me when that's ever worked. You're not going to get millions of people to walk away from their paycheck, and oh by the way, the state he's in right now doesn't have millions of people in it, lol. All right, I'll shut up now, let the movement commence!

Commence? It's so quiet around here you could hear a pin drop. Like I've said all along, there's more to walking away from the slave plantation and being sovereign then meets the eye. You know this better than most.

[we-R-one]

Ya, that's why I can't hold back my sarcasm gripreaper. When I ran my patriot groups, it was extremely difficult to get people to do anything. It's pretty amazing that we got to the size that we were considering.....but when it came to "volunteering" the masses were few and far to help out, so I doubt he will get the support like he thinks.

[Unified Serenity]

People will not do anything until they feel they have no other choice. The problem is by that time it may be near impossible to do much. American's will not do anything about people being beaten by cops, old ladies and children molested in airports, and our government sending thousands of guns to Mexican gun cartels so they can blame guns and launch a gun grab in America. American's are not going to do anything as long as they can watch their movies, drink their beer, drive their cars for no more than say $4.00 a gallon. The cabal knows this. They know what buttons to push. They do focus groups and drop trial balloons. They know we need a huge disaster to justify sending in the military to control the peace and take guns. So, I am expecting some pretty major crap to disarm Americans and even then it will be a bit of a fight. It won't matter. It's prophesied to happen, we will have a one world government and except for oh, 7000 of us, we will like it!

I like Icke, I think he brings a lot to the table, but I part ways with him when it comes to his handy "Dna implanted need a savior" line. He can think what he wants and I will trust prophesy which is completely in line with history. Oh, things will be set right, and one of us will be surprised.

[we-R-one]

Exactly US. The words called normalcy bias. It's why people won't do anything until their life is literally being threatened, and by then it's too late.

"The normalcy bias, or normality bias, refers to a mental state people enter when facing a disaster. It causes people to underestimate both the possibility of a disaster occurring and its possible effects. This often results in situations where people fail to adequately prepare for a disaster, and on a larger scale, the failure of governments to include the populace in its disaster preparations. The assumption that is made in the case of the normalcy bias is that since a disaster never has occurred then it never will occur. It also results in the inability of people to cope with a disaster once it occurs. People with a normalcy bias have difficulties reacting to something they have not experienced before. People also tend to interpret warnings in the most optimistic way possible, seizing on any ambiguities to infer a less serious situation.[1]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias

[gripreaper]

I like Icke, I think he brings a lot to the table, but I part ways with him when it comes to his handy "Dna implanted need a savior" line. He can think what he wants and I will trust prophesy which is completely in line with history. Oh, things will be set right, and one of us will be surprised.

Prophesy in line with history? OF course it is, considering it's the elite's playbook of what they were planning. The channelers and charlatans from 2000 years ago are no different than the channelers and charlatans of today, and neither are the elite controllers any different.

Just because history has played out according to their plan as their seers told us it would, does not make prophesy more reliable, or the elites playbook true.

[Unified Serenity]

Since God is outside of time and space it's quite easy to know what will happen because it already has happened. Of course people play a role. They manipulate events etc, but it does not change the outcome. Thus a prophesy written 3000 or 6000 years ago is accurate because when it was written it had already happened and we were just given a heads up. The issue is, what we choose to do and believe. It all plays out, and so far, not one prophesy has been wrong historically speaking. Some will disagree and that is ok. I am very satisfied with how things are playing out, and we shall see some interesting stuff in our lifetimes. We're lucky actually. We appear to be the chosen generation to gets to see all the stuff happen many have waited for.

[Cartomancer]

Has the latest deadline passed yet?

"Breitbart confronted some hippies in the parking lot of a conservative convention in Chicago. An old hippie was holding up a “Glenn Beck Lies” sign. Breitbart challenged him to name something Beck had lied. The hippie then passed him a joint of some very potent marijuana. Breitbart then went on an extended quest for the nearest Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream Parlor. The hippie stammered because Breitbart was bogarting the joint. Then Breitbart made him sell him the rest of the hooch he had. After that Breitbart couldn’t think of anything and said “I’m not falling for that trap!” The Hippie laughed and yelled something like “FOR YOU, THE TRUTH IS A TRAP!”"

:drum:

[gripreaper]

Has the latest deadline passed yet?

Not till tomorrow, although Lady Dragon explained on Sunday nights show, that the "Green Light" was different for different levels and that the Green Light has many facets and meanings and angles and interpretations, based on who and what it is. For example, the Green Light for Drake is different than the Green Light for Cobra, since Drake is like the boots on the ground and has access to the joint chiefs of staff from the military, while Cobra is part of the resistance from the Pleiades and is an emissary to bring extraterrestrial logistics to Lady Dragon, who then communicates the ET connections to Drake, who then takes that information and incorporates it into his strategies for how to support the military with the people militias all around the country which he is spearheading. So, you have to keep this stuff straight about the different "Green Lights". Apparently they are not all the same.

http://i.imgur.com/1TOTi.gif

[Unified Serenity]

Really?

That's not the way I heard the story at all:


An old hippie was holding up a “Glenn Beck Lies” sign. Breitbart challenged him to name something Beck had lied about. The hippie stammered because he couldn’t think of anything so he said “I’m not falling for that trap!” Breitbart laughed at him and yelled something like “FOR YOU, THE TRUTH IS A TRAP!”

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Has the latest deadline passed yet?

"Breitbart confronted some hippies in the parking lot of a conservative convention in Chicago. An old hippie was holding up a “Glenn Beck Lies” sign. Breitbart challenged him to name something Beck had lied. The hippie then passed him a joint of some very potent marijuana. Breitbart then went on an extended quest for the nearest Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream Parlor. The hippie stammered because Breitbart was bogarting the joint. Then Breitbart made him sell him the rest of the hooch he had. After that Breitbart couldn’t think of anything and said “I’m not falling for that trap!” The Hippie laughed and yelled something like “FOR YOU, THE TRUTH IS A TRAP!”"

[we-R-one]

Not till tomorrow, although Lady Dragon explained on Sunday nights show, that the "Green Light" was different for different levels and that the Green Light has many facets and meanings and angles and interpretations, based on who and what it is. For example, the Green Light for Drake is different than the Green Light for Cobra, since Drake is like the boots on the ground and has access to the joint chiefs of staff from the military, while Cobra is part of the resistance from the Pleiades and is an emissary to bring extraterrestrial logistics to Lady Dragon, who then communicates the ET connections to Drake, who then takes that information and incorporates it into his strategies for how to support the military with the people militias all around the country which he is spearheading. So, you have to keep this stuff straight about the different "Green Lights". Apparently they are not all the same.


LMAO, LMAO......if I didn't know you better, I'd say you sound like one of the followers.... How do you keep up with this _ _ it? lmao

[gripreaper]

LMAO, LMAO......if I didn't know you better, I'd say you sound like one of the followers.... How do you keep up with this _ _ it? lmao

I find it absolutely and utterly fascinating, as one of the most profound looks into the human psyche and human condition in the context of the digital age ever to be experienced. You cannot set up something like this in a petri dish, unless of course you believe the whole planet and the last several billion years is one big petri dish!

[Cartomancer]

Not till tomorrow, although Lady Dragon explained on Sunday nights show, that the "Green Light" was different for different levels and that the Green Light has many facets and meanings and angles and interpretations, based on who and what it is. For example, the Green Light for Drake is different than the Green Light for Cobra, since Drake is like the boots on the ground and has access to the joint chiefs of staff from the military, while Cobra is part of the resistance from the Pleiades and is an emissary to bring extraterrestrial logistics to Lady Dragon, who then communicates the ET connections to Drake, who then takes that information and incorporates it into his strategies for how to support the military with the people militias all around the country which he is spearheading. So, you have to keep this stuff straight about the different "Green Lights". Apparently they are not all the same.


LMAO, LMAO......if I didn't know you better, I'd say you sound like one of the followers.... How do you keep up with this _ _ it? lmao

Ah yes. The White Hats are using the "Enter the Lady Dragon" ploy. The latest character in this multilevel saga of freedom and redemption. Very interesting. Now we have several levels of "green light." Is this a veiled reference to the Green Lantern super hero? Perhaps Kato will materialize to assist the Lady Dragon in her never ending quest to sink the Cabal.

elaxray hetay reitBaray ingthay asway a okejay.

[gripreaper]

LMAO, LMAO......if I didn't know you better, I'd say you sound like one of the followers.... How do you keep up with this _ _ it? lmao

It is also very painful at times, like reading the comments section on David Wilcocks blog. Here is an excerpt:

Drake, Minuteman, Lady Dragon and other patriots will stand tall in the history of our world with Keenan and Keith above all our world leaders that they saved and freed humanity of all nationalities regardless of race, religion, color or creed to live peacefully together again as one people in the eyes of Our God the Father, the way the world should be.

[we-R-one]

LMAO, LMAO......if I didn't know you better, I'd say you sound like one of the followers.... How do you keep up with this _ _ it? lmao

I find it absolutely and utterly fascinating, as one of the most profound looks into the human psyche and human condition in the context of the digital age ever to be experienced. You cannot set up something like this in a petri dish, unless of course you believe the whole planet and the last several billion years is one big petri dish!

It totally lines up with what David Icke says about our reptilian brains and how we're programmed. If I remember correctly, he stated that was the easiest part to prove. Here's an interesting article that discusses how the reptilian brain, our brain works:

http://www.2012.com.au/Reptilian_brain2.html

"They also know better than anyone how to manipulate the reptilian brain or Rcomplex of humans and it is through that part of the brain that humanity is most controlled and directed. The human brain is in two parts, or hemispheres, the right brain and the left brain, connected by a mass of nerve fibres. The left side is rational, logical, and "intellectual". It works closely with the physical senses and can be summed up by can I touch it, see it, hear it, smell it or taste it? It communicates through spoken and written words. The right brain is where we manifest imagination, intuition, instincts, dream states, the subconscious. It is the artist, musician, creative inspiration. It communicates through images and symbols, not words. This right side is closely related to the reptilian part of the brain. Reptilians communicate through imagery and symbols just like the Illuminati secret society network. They have an entire secret language based on symbols. This brings us to the most effective form of human conditioning by the Illuminati movies and television. As Skip Largent writes: "All movies and television are a projection of the reptilian brain. How so? Movies and television (video games etc.) are all undeniably dreamlike, not only in their presentation brain wave patterns as when they are dreaming. And guess where dreaming originates in your head? In the reptilian brain (although other parts of our brain are involved) ... The "language" of the reptilian brain is visual imagery. All communications transferred by reptiles are done so by visual symbolic representations, each having specific meaning. 11 7 This is precisely what the Illuminati do through their symbolism. The movie and television industries are not only owned by the Illuminati they created them. They understand how visual images can be used to condition the population. In normal circumstances, the reptilian dominated right brain receives images through the eyes or the imagination, and the left brain decodes those images into thoughts and conclusions. The Illuminati have intervened in this process, however, to control human perception. Their aim is to disconnect the functions of these two distinct parts of the brain so we can be manipulated through the right brain while only being conscious of the left. They plant images into the right brain (the dream state, the non conscious) using symbolism, subliminal imagery and pictures, while often telling the left brain how it should interpret those images. This is done through "education", "science" and the media. Television news is a classic. The right brain is shown pictures and the reporter's voiceover tells the left brain what they mean."

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Lol, yes, I really wish David would have just stuck with the science end of it....now that he's taken this route, it's painful to watch.

[gripreaper]

It totally lines up with what David Icke says about our reptilian brains and how we're programmed. If I remember correctly, he stated that was the easiest part to prove. Here's an interesting article that discusses how the reptilian brain, our brain works:

http://www.2012.com.au/Reptilian_brain2.html

Yes, the reptilian brain is also referred to as the primitive brainstem, which governs all of the biological visceral responses in the body, and is very reactive on the cellular level. The traumatic experiences which occur on this level during gestation and the first two years of life, cast shadows into one's adulthood which everything is filtered through. The elite know this, and even if one is not born a psychopath, an infant can be made into one with enough neglect, severing the visceral cellular feeling level from the positive emotions of love, comfort and safety, way before the cognitive mind is even developed and can rationalize the traumatic event. That training and brainwashing can come later.

Many do not see the connection between their gestation and infancy on their current actions and reactions, and that is also a part of the human condition. WE all have our filters. Looking at all of our own filters is wisdom, including those we brought from other lifetimes.

[Ishtar]

I think that's a load of unmitigated balderdash (the red font extract from a link in we-r-one's post).

How does David Icke know how reptilians communiciate? As usual, as with all disinfo, there's a scintilla of truth in there (like the different functions of each brain hemisphere) but otherwise, he (or somebody) is just making it up.

The truth is, the part of the brain that communicates in pictures was much more prevalent in our earliest ancestors tens of thousands of years ago, and they communicated via imagery and metaphor. Even when they did begin to write stuff down (comparitively recently ...about 5,000 years ago) they used a picture language, otherwise known as hieroglyphics. It's only since the invention of writing that we have become unbalanced in that we use our left brain more than our right brain now.

The reptilian part of the brain is the limbic system and it lies under both the hemispheres and therefore is not likely to influence one more than the other, and neither is there any evidence that it does.

David Icke is another useful idiot in my opinion... he's been fed a load of psy-ops guff, just a different load of guff to that fed to Drake and Wilcock. That way, they can keep the puppets confusing us with different version of the"truth". There are no reptilians in this dimension and none that control us in other dimensions.

There are no photos or movies of reptilians, just drawings, and that also applies to ETs and aliens.

If these beings are real, why can't we them on YouTube or see photos of them? I understand that they wouldn't appear on mainstream media, but why doesn't David Icke interview one and post it on YouTube? Why doesn't Lady Dragon interview one of her ET contacts and post it on YouTube?

The reasons why are really obvious... but not to those who are so brainwashed by the alien agenda that they cannot see straight.

[Lost N Found]

Well If I did not better, I would think that most on here are Islands unto themselves and all knowing about most anything. This is sooooooo interesting stuff to read. I love that there are so many folks that have all the PHD's on just what the####is happening and can keep all of the rest of us useless eaters informed. Hey. with this attitude do we even believe that we were born or that momma and daddy raised our worthless buts and fed us, clothes us and all those other things until we finally became that Island unto ourselves. We R One you seem to be a leader in this mentality, can you honestly say that you follow no one or nothing in your life. I bet you are a registared voter and that would mean that your are following something. Gripreaper appears to have it right in saying that this is a facinating time. So we all sit on a fence and watch and wait. Isn't that some sort of following right there? You are on this forum and following this thread are you not?

To be honest, I was expecting to see some thread that purported that Drake has flown the coop or some such. Well still waiting for that to happen, I mean someone starting a rumor like that. Don't know how anyone follows this stuff other than the ones that ARE FOLLOWING THE WHOLE MASS ARREST and anything to do with it. Guess I can't exclude myself from any of it and I am sure not an Island unto myself.

Thank you all for the wonderful input

[Ishtar]

Strawman argument, eyeswideopen... if you don't know what that means, it's setting up a false proposition and then proceeding to destroy your own false proposition

We don't fall for that kind of stuff round here, so you really needn't have bothered.

[we-R-one]

I think that's a load of unmitigated balderdash.

How does David Icke know how reptilians communiciate? As usual, as with all disinfo, there's a scintilla of truth in there (like the different functions of each brain hemisphere) but otherwise, he (or somebody) is just making it up.

The truth is, the part of the brain that communicates in pictures was much more prevalent in our earliest ancestors tens of thousands of years ago, and they communicated via imagery and metaphor. Even when they did begin to write stuff down (comparitively recently ...about 5,000 years ago) they used a picture language, otherwise known as hieroglyphics. It's only since the invention of writing that we have become unbalanced in that we use our left brain more than our right brain now.

The reptilian part of the brain is the limbic system and it lies under both the hemispheres and therefore is not likely to influence one more than the other, and neither is there any evidence that it does.

David Icke is another useful idiot in my opinion... he's been fed a load of psy-ops guff, just a different load of guff to that fed to Drake and Wilcock. That way, they can keep the puppets confusing us with different version of the"truth". There are no reptilians in this dimension and none that control us in other dimensions.

There are no photos or movies of reptilians, just drawings, and that also applies to ETs and aliens.

If these beings are real, why can't we them on YouTube or see photos of them? I understand that they wouldn't appear on mainstream media, but why doesn't David Icke interview one and post it on YouTube? Why doesn't Lady Dragon interview one of her ET contacts and post it on YouTube?

The reasons why are really obvious... but not to those who are so brainwashed by the alien agenda that they cannot see straight.

What I'm saying is the brain is set up like a reptile and that is scientifically proven. That's why David said this is the easiest part to prove because the studies show this as being accurate. David has 22 years of research experience, I do not, but I'm also smart enough to draw the conclusion, that just because I don't know about something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Here's a quote from David in which I resonate with quite a bit,

"It does not become an untruth because people cannot find the capacity to see it possible"

[Lost N Found]

Strawman argument, eyeswideopen... if you don't know what that means, it's setting up a false proposition and then proceeding to destroy your own false proposition

We don't fall for that kind of stuff round here, so you really needn't have bothered.

Thanks Ishtar, I needed that PHD comment and I guess I deserved it. That got my left and right brain to firing real well.
Thank you again, Peace be with you.

[we-R-one]

Well If I did not better, I would think that most on here are Islands unto themselves and all knowing about most anything. This is sooooooo interesting stuff to read. I love that there are so many folks that have all the PHD's on just what the####is happening and can keep all of the rest of us useless eaters informed. Hey. with this attitude do we even believe that we were born or that momma and daddy raised our worthless buts and fed us, clothes us and all those other things until we finally became that Island unto ourselves. We R One you seem to be a leader in this mentality, can you honestly say that you follow no one or nothing in your life. I bet you are a registared voter and that would mean that your are following something. Gripreaper appears to have it right in saying that this is a facinating time. So we all sit on a fence and watch and wait. Isn't that some sort of following right there? You are on this forum and following this thread are you not?

To be honest, I was expecting to see some thread that purported that Drake has flown the coop or some such. Well still waiting for that to happen, I mean someone starting a rumor like that. Don't know how anyone follows this stuff other than the ones that ARE FOLLOWING THE WHOLE MASS ARREST and anything to do with it. Guess I can't exclude myself from any of it and I am sure not an Island unto myself.

Thank you all for the wonderful input

I don't particularly follow anyone, I listen to all. Some of the things that people say resonate, some of it doesn't. I do focus on the science end of things as it's something tangible that people can grasp. Especially useful when you are trying to explain to someone that is still living in 3D.

I don't vote anymore because I don't believe in the system so you're wrong there. I rarely post on this particular thread as I'm not a follower of Drake, but I will support those that do because that's their right. I have openly admitted that at one time I did follow RUSA, which was very similar to what Drake is doing, but I realized it was a dead end early on. I have also admitted publicly that I use to be a 3rd dimensional dimwit before I woke up. I followed all the systems, played the safety Sally role, etc. Now I have pulled myself out of systems, to the point that I interact as little as possible with people because I'm no longer in 3D mentality and I no longer wish to play the game. That being said I do respect those who chose to play the game as I know there are many not ready to step outside the matrix.

It's a process eyeswideopen, that we all must go through and we are all at different levels in the game. I will never claim to know it all nor do I think I'm better than anyone else, I'm just at a different stage. I'm not sure what you're implying, but hopefully I've answered your questions.

My interaction with gripreaper was just having some fun, maybe you couldn't see the humor in our postings. My apologies if I'm offending you.

[Lost N Found]

Well If I did not better, I would think that most on here are Islands unto themselves and all knowing about most anything. This is sooooooo interesting stuff to read. I love that there are so many folks that have all the PHD's on just what the####is happening and can keep all of the rest of us useless eaters informed. Hey. with this attitude do we even believe that we were born or that momma and daddy raised our worthless buts and fed us, clothes us and all those other things until we finally became that Island unto ourselves. We R One you seem to be a leader in this mentality, can you honestly say that you follow no one or nothing in your life. I bet you are a registared voter and that would mean that your are following something. Gripreaper appears to have it right in saying that this is a facinating time. So we all sit on a fence and watch and wait. Isn't that some sort of following right there? You are on this forum and following this thread are you not?

To be honest, I was expecting to see some thread that purported that Drake has flown the coop or some such. Well still waiting for that to happen, I mean someone starting a rumor like that. Don't know how anyone follows this stuff other than the ones that ARE FOLLOWING THE WHOLE MASS ARREST and anything to do with it. Guess I can't exclude myself from any of it and I am sure not an Island unto myself.

Thank you all for the wonderful input

I don't particularly follow anyone, I listen to all. Some of the things that people say resonate, some of it doesn't. I do focus on the science end of things as it's something tangible that people can grasp. Especially useful when you are trying to explain to someone that is still living in 3D.

I don't vote anymore because I don't believe in the system so you're wrong there. I rarely post on this particular thread as I'm not a follower of Drake, but I will support those that do because that's their right. I have openly admitted that at one time I did follow RUSA, which was very similar to what Drake is doing, but I realized it was a dead end early on. I have also admitted publicly that I use to be a 3rd dimensional dimwit before I woke up. I followed all the systems, played the safety Sally role, etc. Now I have pulled myself out of systems, to the point that I interact as little as possible with people because I'm no longer in 3D mentality and I no longer wish to play the game. That being said I do respect those who chose to play the game as I know there are many not ready to step outside the matrix.

It's a process eyeswideopen, that we all must go through and we are all at different levels in the game. I will never claim to know it all nor do I think I'm better than anyone else, I'm just at a different stage. I'm not sure what you're implying, but hopefully I've answered your questions.

My interaction with gripreaper was just having some fun, maybe you couldn't see the humor in our postings. My apologies if I'm offending you.

No offense taken We R One, I only hope that I did not offend you. I do like what you say and I could see the humor and playing with Grip. He is pretty good at that himself. Glad to know that you are no longer with that RuSA crap. I was there myself and caught the same thing and got out also.

Ishtar accused me or maybe not of doing something in the Strawman arguement. Well I do totally understand that. One question to you, How do you move from the 3D to the 4D or even the 5D, I have been trying to move that way myself and loose this Matrix?

[Ishtar]

What I'm saying is the brain is set up like a reptile and that is scientifically proven. That's why David said this is the easiest part to prove because the studies show this as being accurate. David has 22 years of research experience.

David hasn't had 22 years of research experience. He's has had 22 years of people telling him what to think.

I didn't deny that the brain is developed from a reptilian kind of brain, known as the limbic system. That is what is well known and scientifically proven. But what David is saying is that the right-hand brain is more reptilian than the left. That is the bit that's utter rubbish, and there is no basis in any research to show that. The limbic system sits under the right and left hemispheres and there's no evidence that it influences one more than the other.

[we-R-one]

What I'm saying is the brain is set up like a reptile and that is scientifically proven. That's why David said this is the easiest part to prove because the studies show this as being accurate. David has 22 years of research experience.

David hasn't had 22 years of research experience. He's has had 22 years of people telling him what to think.

I didn't deny that the brain is developed from a reptilian kind of brain, known as the limbic system. That is what is well known and scientifically proven. But what David is saying is that the right-hand brain is more reptilian than the left. That is the bit that's utter rubbish, and there is no basis in any research to show that. The limbic system sits under the right and left hemispheres and there's no evidence that it influences one more than the other.

Guess you'll have to take that complaint up with David as I can't get into his head (at least not yet) as to how many years he's spent researching- 22 is according to him, but apparently you can get into his head and must know better than the rest of us, even David himself, good for you- you're much further along in the evolution process than I.

As far as evidence goes, I guess it depends who does the research and who funds it as to whether it's factual or not.

[the_vast_mystery]

I think many people get this firm desire to deny all of science from a strongly misplaced reaction born from learning of how it can be used to deceive. A somewhat immature (but still better than nothing) response someone has when they realize they've been lied to is to toss out everything they were once told by any former "authority" (throwing the baby out with the bathwater) rather than do the sort of long, hard critical analysis necessary to figure out what they were lied to about, how they were lied to, etc. It provides a convenient defense to invoke the moment any research is brought up, "oh that's all just lies the Reptiles are feeding us to keep us under control!" Which then lets someone dismiss anything out of turn without having to provide proof, further requests for proof can then be immediately thrown out as "Agenda pushing" or "brainwashing." Of course, David Icke and a lot of other spokespeople provide all of these convenient excuses to bring up when challenged.

But if it were actually the case that people were in fact brainwashed or programmed then you could logically demonstrate this to them and demonstrate it to others. If Research was in fact manipulated then the specific cases of what was manipulated, when and how could be provided, debated and hashed out publicly. Refusal to explain, elaborate or provide detailed specifics always seems to come up from these conversations and ignorance of specifics is excused as "irrelevant" and explanation of how or why they are irrelevant is from there met with a wall of silence or "You left-brained people just wouldn't understand." There's a lot of good info out there, even from some bad sources, we just need to look at politics to see how careful reputation poisoning can be used to destroy good ideas publicly entirely by getting someone hated to speak about them. (For instance the Healthcare law we just had the supreme court uphold was originally a Republican plan from the Heritage Foundation in the 80s. Time shows though how careful manipulation of public opinion was able to get Republicans to loathe what was originally their own healthcare plan.) Which shows that we should always pay especial attention to the content of a message as well as the speaker (and their motivations) so that the good can be extracted from the bad.

Since I spent a while experiencing what I can only hope was this exact sort of "Right brained, believer" state of mind for a time, I think I understand a little bit the disconnect. One side's communicating in terms of motivational emotions, in beliefs adopted out of survival needs, and expressing their own "cry for help" in the form of being publicly defensive of their own irrationality. They might not even want to believe what they do but without being given an alternative the consequences of becoming totally unbalanced and self-destructive holds one inside their prison of belief (I've got more than enough self-loathing to prefer self-destruction though! LOL) and so they're not really searching for a "left-brained answer" to the problem as they're probably already aware on some level that they believe in nonsense. What they're looking for is a "Right-Brained answer" which is "what can I do that will finally let me feel good about myself again? How can I change in a way that won't feel like I'm psychotically tearing myself apart? How can I let go of these beliefs without feeling miserable?" So the answer is to find a way to be fully supportive and emotionally validating, while also presenting logically sound information gleaned from careful observations. Appealing to both their hearts (by finding an alternative to support their desire to maintain an emotionally healthy quality of life) and minds (by presenting what can be considered the most accurate/true information possible.) Of course, the previous paragraph makes it sound easy. Everything is easy in theory, but in practice proves otherwise. ;p

[gripreaper]

I think this thread may have drifted off topic again.

Isn't this thread supposed to be about aliens who have a cosmic decree from the Great Central Sun to immobilize and kill the bad terran elite's who are cowering in the corner in fear and threatening to do very bad things if they are forced to surrender to Drake? I mean, Lady Dragon has talked to Cobra and the military has an ultimatum to stand up and take down the entire world evil structure and restore a republic form of government and justice and redistribute all the hidden wealth of this planet which has been absconded by the evil elite and is supported by the Pleiadian resistance movement to return the recalcitrant evil cabalistic elements to source without any memory or consciousness?

I mean, Drake was fully vetted by David Wilcock, so we must assume that he is legitimate and all of this is true, right?

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[foreverfan]

I think this thread may have drifted off topic again.

Isn't this thread supposed to be about aliens who have a cosmic decree from the Great Central Sun to immobilize and kill the bad terran elite's who are cowering in the corner in fear and threatening to do very bad things if they are forced to surrender to Drake? I mean, Lady Dragon has talked to Cobra and the military has an ultimatum to stand up and take down the entire world evil structure and restore a republic form of government and justice and redistribute all the hidden wealth of this planet which has been absconded by the evil elite and is supported by the Pleiadian resistance movement to return the recalcitrant evil cabalistic elements to source without any memory or consciousness?

I mean, Drake was fully vetted by David Wilcock, so we must assume that he is legitimate and all of this is true, right?

That sounds about right to me. I think they dropped acid which explains the multiple Green Lights.

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[Chester]

LMAO, LMAO......if I didn't know you better, I'd say you sound like one of the followers.... How do you keep up with this _ _ it? lmao

I find it absolutely and utterly fascinating, as one of the most profound looks into the human psyche and human condition in the context of the digital age ever to be experienced. You cannot set up something like this in a petri dish, unless of course you believe the whole planet and the last several billion years is one big petri dish!

This is exactly why I still read this thread - it is truly fascinating... and especially as I was originally a Mega Drake Drum Beater and it was this forum and this forum only through which I was able to think it all through from all parts of my being and came to the conclusion that a.) It is some strange made up (almost like a golem) craziness where some folks start believing other's ideas and then it turns into a monster or b.) an actual psy-op with purposes ranging from distraction to inciting the lock down of America.

[gripreaper]

This is exactly why I still read this thread - it is truly fascinating... and especially as I was originally a Mega Drake Drum Beater and it was this forum and this forum only through which I was able to think it all through from all parts of my being and came to the conclusion that a.) It is some strange made up (almost like a golem) craziness where some folks start believing other's ideas and then it turns into a monster or b.) an actual psy-op with purposes ranging from distraction to inciting the lock down of America.

http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp215/ylva51/cats%20funny/d015b563.gif

[SKAWF]

The truth is, the part of the brain that communicates in pictures was much more prevalent in our earliest ancestors tens of thousands of years ago, and they communicated via imagery and metaphor. Even when they did begin to write stuff down (comparitively recently ...about 5,000 years ago) they used a picture language, otherwise known as hieroglyphics. It's only since the invention of writing that we have become unbalanced in that we use our left brain more than our right brain now.


i have often said that the alpha numeric system we have
is entirely the wrong operating system for a creature with an imagination.
besides being inadequate for the task, it is too damn slow.

[gripreaper]

The truth is, the part of the brain that communicates in pictures was much more prevalent in our earliest ancestors tens of thousands of years ago, and they communicated via imagery and metaphor. Even when they did begin to write stuff down (comparitively recently ...about 5,000 years ago) they used a picture language, otherwise known as hieroglyphics. It's only since the invention of writing that we have become unbalanced in that we use our left brain more than our right brain now.


i have often said that the alpha numeric system we have
is entirely the wrong operating system for a creature with an imagination.
besides being inadequate for the task, it is too damn slow.

Yea, but we've evolved from all that and are much wiser now than those ancients!

http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z408/majere616/GIFs/nowantp1.gif

[SKAWF]

The truth is, the part of the brain that communicates in pictures was much more prevalent in our earliest ancestors tens of thousands of years ago, and they communicated via imagery and metaphor. Even when they did begin to write stuff down (comparitively recently ...about 5,000 years ago) they used a picture language, otherwise known as hieroglyphics. It's only since the invention of writing that we have become unbalanced in that we use our left brain more than our right brain now.


i have often said that the alpha numeric system we have
is entirely the wrong operating system for a creature with an imagination.
besides being inadequate for the task, it is too damn slow.

Yea, but we've evolved from all that and are much wiser now than those ancients!

http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z408/majere616/GIFs/nowantp1.gif

well, i'm happy to say that i regressed back to the more primitive method!

[aranuk]

Well now, you Drake naysayers have taken over this thread. There are so few supporters left here. They, like me, are so disgusted by the amount of insults that come from you people. You seem to post after post and prattle on and get applauded by others who are all vying for admiration and a slap on the back for your "so clever" reckoning. It would seem I am the only supporter here left. I am considering leaving myself. Are you all wanting Bill to give you medals in his support? I have stated many times in these Drake threads that the way I saw it was that EITHER there was a plan by the elite controllers of mankind to create Marshall law in USA and fill the FEMA camps with patriotic citizens, OR there might be some chance that the honest to goodness people in the Pentagon were not willing to put there brothers and sisters and children into fema camps. OK? Can any of you "Clever" people explain to me what the FEMA camps were intended for really? I am very aware that the "official" government sources say they were for emergency in case there were a nuclear or natural disaster. Above ground? C,mon get friggin' real. They were meant for the people. Underground facilities were intended for the ruling people NOT the camps above ground. What about all the plastic coffins? Shackles in train carriages? I suppose the excuse for the shackles is that the politicians and officials would have to be forced into them as they would likely be wanting to die above ground like their electors would be. No small chance here methinks. I have always said that I would rather support the Drake alternative that the other. Check all my posts. Beware when those accuse other people of gullability there are 3 fingers pointing at yourselves here remember this. If **** all happens tomorrow, **** all happened. It was still worth supporting. I follow my heart without hesitation. I am not wrong in doing this. You "clever" people have been telling me this from the start. Follow your discernment, your own wisdom etc. I do that all the friggin' time. I may have picked the wrong horse to win but it sounded like the best bet at the time.

Maybe my last post.

Stan

[SKAWF]

the truth is, at this stage, NO ONE actually KNOWS anything for sure.
they may have beliefs... or suspicions.... whatever

so i dont really see how some can be so confident in their assertions.

i have noticed that some people 'rubbish' the whole thing
actually pour scorn over the topic

Q would you do the same over someones religious beliefs?

how about walking into a mosque and stating that mohamed is a charlatan buffoon?

yet for some reason that kinda thing is now acceptable here.

congratulations.
we the 'more' enlightened have lowered ourselves beneath the unawake!!

it is possible to disagree without having to pour sh*t over the subject.

maybe the nay sayers will be looking at new releases just as much as those who believe.

i will probably end up with piles due to sitting on this fence.

it'll probably rain tommorow.


try not to make a hasty decision stan. its just a ride.

[Unified Serenity]

I have stated many times in these Drake threads that the way I saw it was that EITHER there was a plan by the elite controllers of mankind to create Marshall law in USA and fill the FEMA camps with patriotic citizens, OR there might be some chance that the honest to goodness people in the Pentagon were not willing to put there brothers and sisters and children into fema camps. OK? Can any of you "Clever" people explain to me what the FEMA camps were intended for really? I am very aware that the "official" government sources say they were for emergency in case there were a nuclear or natural disaster. Above ground? C,mon get friggin' real. They were meant for the people. Underground facilities were intended for the ruling people NOT the camps above ground. What about all the plastic coffins? Shackles in train carriages? I suppose the excuse for the shackles is that the politicians and officials would have to be forced into them as they would likely be wanting to die above ground like their electors would be. No small chance here methinks. I have always said that I would rather support the Drake alternative that the other.

Stan

Stan, what does any of that have to do with the Drake message of mass arrests of the evil corrupt cabal? Pray tell Stan, just because Drake talks about stuff we have all talked about regarding the evil cabal does not make him anymore connected or in the know as to what super duper top secret plan someone has to take out the bad guys. You cannot lump the facts about FEMA camps, poisoned food, vaccines, chem trails, strange abductions or any other alternative subject onto the DRAKE one many show of ending the cabal with mass arrests. That is what the whole debate has been about. Drake came on the scene as this special insider telling us the bad guys are about to be dealt with. Once he got a stage he started telling us it's wise to stay calm in an emergency, have some supplies, be nice to your neighbors, and yada yada.

The fact is his initial story which he keeps adding to and changing dates is all BS, and you just won't admit it. You want to switch the argument now. The reason there are so few people defending it is not because of the anti-Drake crowd posts, but because even most of the pro-Drake people are seeing him for what he is. He is just the latest person to want fame in the alt community who made up a bunch of crap that many people believed. We had another recently who we no longer hear much from. Drake will soon be a bygone name many would wish to forget they bought into his story.

[foreverfan]

Well now, you Drake naysayers have taken over this thread. There are so few supporters left here. They, like me, are so disgusted by the amount of insults that come from you people. You seem to post after post and prattle on and get applauded by others who are all vying for admiration and a slap on the back for your "so clever" reckoning. It would seem I am the only supporter here left. I am considering leaving myself. Are you all wanting Bill to give you medals in his support? I have stated many times in these Drake threads that the way I saw it was that EITHER there was a plan by the elite controllers of mankind to create Marshall law in USA and fill the FEMA camps with patriotic citizens, OR there might be some chance that the honest to goodness people in the Pentagon were not willing to put there brothers and sisters and children into fema camps. OK? Can any of you "Clever" people explain to me what the FEMA camps were intended for really? I am very aware that the "official" government sources say they were for emergency in case there were a nuclear or natural disaster. Above ground? C,mon get friggin' real. They were meant for the people. Underground facilities were intended for the ruling people NOT the camps above ground. What about all the plastic coffins? Shackles in train carriages? I suppose the excuse for the shackles is that the politicians and officials would have to be forced into them as they would likely be wanting to die above ground like their electors would be. No small chance here methinks. I have always said that I would rather support the Drake alternative that the other. Check all my posts. Beware when those accuse other people of gullability there are 3 fingers pointing at yourselves here remember this. If **** all happens tomorrow, **** all happened. It was still worth supporting. I follow my heart without hesitation. I am not wrong in doing this. You "clever" people have been telling me this from the start. Follow your discernment, your own wisdom etc. I do that all the friggin' time. I may have picked the wrong horse to win but it sounded like the best bet at the time.

Maybe my last post.

Stan

Don't let these party poopers get you down. Like I said before, Drake doesn't matter. The Military has two choices... they can serve the Cabal and one day have to pry the guns from dead American Citizens or they can arrest the Cabal. They can make a deal with the Devil or put their support in their families freedom. They can make a deal with the people that would rob everything from everybody and threaten their families or they can eliminate them.

Since these are the only REAL OPTIONS... I look for something along the story of line of Drake to be completely be plausible. I don't discredit the story line one bit but I do have reservations about how it's going down. At this point with zero proof offered, it is a hard pill to swallow. I'm sure a lot of people here will tune in to Drakes 4th of July report. This proves that they are interested. Hell we all are pulling for Drake's message although he may prove to be the wrong messenger.

Everyone here has made their point clear and they make complete sense. I applaud your conviction. You are not alone. People are so negative by nature. What else would you expect?

[ThePythonicCow]

I think that's a load of unmitigated balderdash (the red font extract from a link in we-r-one's post).

How does David Icke know how reptilians communiciate? As usual, as with all disinfo, there's a scintilla of truth in there (like the different functions of each brain hemisphere) but otherwise, he (or somebody) is just making it up.
Yes, there is some (at least a scintilla) truth in there, and by the usual telling anyway, some confusion.

When we begin a post with a broadside slam, that tends to polarize the discussion, putting those who appreciated the useful parts on the defensive. Such probably plays into the hands of the bastards in power that seek to increase their tyrannical control over us.

May I suggest being more specific, more calm, and more tolerant about the points one is making?

My take is that David Icke was confusing (1) the more primitive reptilian parts of the brain (the cerebellum, limbic system and brain stem) with (2) the two halves of the the large outer brain, the cerebral cortex. Current conventional thinking has the left side of the cerebral cortex being more logical and linguistic, while the right side is more intuitive and visual. Reptiles don't have a cortex, which is why the more primitive parts of the brain, below the cortex, closer to the top of the spinal cord, are called reptilian - that's structure we share with reptiles.

See further http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/kinser/Structure1.html, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain or http://tlhung.blogspot.com/2010/04/part-5-brain-regions-and-controls.html.

My suspicion is that these efforts to localize various forms of thought and mental activity to specific physiological locations in the brain are missing an important point ... just as the split between science and religion misses a point. I suspect there is another level, which my "3D" mind doesn't understand very well, sometimes called the spiritual, which is not localized by function within parts of the brain. I also suspect that even the relation between the physical parts of the brain (and heart, gut, ...) and the conventional forms and functions of thought and feeling are more subtle and indirect than conventional thought recognizes.

[aranuk]

Another thing, before I forget, is this: I am speaking from my heart, as some perceptive people here might guess. I could speak from my intellect but I'm sorry to say it would like throwing pearls to swine. Of all you naysayers the only one I listen to is Unified Sincerity, she speaks from the heart and also from the intellect. We never seem to agree, but hey, that's ok. She encompasses the heart with the intellect as her username suggests. One thing more. I and others here supporting Drake have been ridiculed by you "clever" people that we are followers of a cult like, guru worshiping stance. Nothing is further from the truth. You all seem to agree with Bill Ryan here and thank every single post he makes. I don't, I only say thanks when I think he deserves it. If I were as you all accuse me of being a follower of a guru, ask Bill if he agrees with you. I have never been a follower of any living person. The nearest I got was Jesus and Rudolf Steiner and maybe Krishnamurti.

Stan

[Chester]

I think that's a load of unmitigated balderdash (the red font extract from a link in we-r-one's post).

How does David Icke know how reptilians communiciate? As usual, as with all disinfo, there's a scintilla of truth in there (like the different functions of each brain hemisphere) but otherwise, he (or somebody) is just making it up.

The truth is, the part of the brain that communicates in pictures was much more prevalent in our earliest ancestors tens of thousands of years ago, and they communicated via imagery and metaphor. Even when they did begin to write stuff down (comparitively recently ...about 5,000 years ago) they used a picture language, otherwise known as hieroglyphics. It's only since the invention of writing that we have become unbalanced in that we use our left brain more than our right brain now.

The reptilian part of the brain is the limbic system and it lies under both the hemispheres and therefore is not likely to influence one more than the other, and neither is there any evidence that it does.

David Icke is another useful idiot in my opinion... he's been fed a load of psy-ops guff, just a different load of guff to that fed to Drake and Wilcock. That way, they can keep the puppets confusing us with different version of the"truth". There are no reptilians in this dimension and none that control us in other dimensions.

There are no photos or movies of reptilians, just drawings, and that also applies to ETs and aliens.

If these beings are real, why can't we them on YouTube or see photos of them? I understand that they wouldn't appear on mainstream media, but why doesn't David Icke interview one and post it on YouTube? Why doesn't Lady Dragon interview one of her ET contacts and post it on YouTube?

The reasons why are really obvious... but not to those who are so brainwashed by the alien agenda that they cannot see straight.

I have to disagree about the "no reptilians" thing because of personal experience. Now let me clarify, I cannot say the various experiences I have encountered were specifically "reptilian" but I have had several experiences with non physical, non 3d humans more than once.

And to be honest, if I had not had those experiences myself, I would be saying the same thing as Ishtar has just stated and in fact I did so up until my experiences started to happen and then when I was able to reflect upon the experience I had when I was 6 years old.

I have zero reason to lie, make this up... seek attention as to be honest, until I found this forum I was unable to share about these experiences with hardly anyone. I share about them now in hopes that I can understand these experiences better and in hopes that my sharing about them may help others. justone

[Unified Serenity]

Drake show preparing to leave :

zhzxQtj8HTU

[Unified Serenity]

I think that's a load of unmitigated balderdash (the red font extract from a link in we-r-one's post).

How does David Icke know how reptilians communiciate? As usual, as with all disinfo, there's a scintilla of truth in there (like the different functions of each brain hemisphere) but otherwise, he (or somebody) is just making it up.

The truth is, the part of the brain that communicates in pictures was much more prevalent in our earliest ancestors tens of thousands of years ago, and they communicated via imagery and metaphor. Even when they did begin to write stuff down (comparitively recently ...about 5,000 years ago) they used a picture language, otherwise known as hieroglyphics. It's only since the invention of writing that we have become unbalanced in that we use our left brain more than our right brain now.

The reptilian part of the brain is the limbic system and it lies under both the hemispheres and therefore is not likely to influence one more than the other, and neither is there any evidence that it does.

David Icke is another useful idiot in my opinion... he's been fed a load of psy-ops guff, just a different load of guff to that fed to Drake and Wilcock. That way, they can keep the puppets confusing us with different version of the"truth". There are no reptilians in this dimension and none that control us in other dimensions.

There are no photos or movies of reptilians, just drawings, and that also applies to ETs and aliens.

If these beings are real, why can't we them on YouTube or see photos of them? I understand that they wouldn't appear on mainstream media, but why doesn't David Icke interview one and post it on YouTube? Why doesn't Lady Dragon interview one of her ET contacts and post it on YouTube?

The reasons why are really obvious... but not to those who are so brainwashed by the alien agenda that they cannot see straight.

I have to disagree about the "no reptilians" thing because of personal experience. Now let me clarify, I cannot say the various experiences I have encountered were specifically "reptilian" but I have had several experiences with non physical, non 3d humans more than once.

And to be honest, if I had not had those experiences myself, I would be saying the same thing as Ishtar has just stated and in fact I did so up until my experiences started to happen and then when I was able to reflect upon the experience I had when I was 6 years old.

I have zero reason to lie, make this up... seek attention as to be honest, until I found this forum I was unable to share about these experiences with hardly anyone. I share about them now in hopes that I can understand these experiences better and in hopes that my sharing about them may help others. justone

I have encountered some crazy stuff in my day. I have not had to deal with what others here call Reptilians, but I'd not say they are not real. I think it's important to be able to share without being called a liar. I don't think Ishtar is calling anyone a liar, but I think she is saying that a lot of people believe and have zero experience of them. I might be out of line saying that, but that's the gist of the spirit I got from what she said. I see lots of stuff on earth that does appear to be about ancient reptilians. Is is myth, religious beliefs or a real group they interacted with? I don't know.

[foreverfan]

Drake show preparing to leave :

zhzxQtj8HTU

Are you kidding... something actually happened. LOL


Another thing, before I forget, is this: I am speaking from my heart, as some perceptive people here might guess. I could speak from my intellect but I'm sorry to say it would like throwing pearls to swine. Of all you naysayers the only one I listen to is Unified Sincerity, she speaks from the heart and also from the intellect. We never seem to agree, but hey, that's ok. She encompasses the heart with the intellect as her username suggests.

Stan

STAN... You're kidding, right? Unified Serenity avatar looks like she's going to reach across the car and slap the tar out of something. J/K....

[LarryC]

<< Well now, you Drake naysayers have taken over this thread. There are so few supporters left here. >>

Why worry about it? Don't read their posts. In the overall scheme of things, what matters is what you believe, not what others on a forum do. I'm far from 100% convinced about Drake and mass arrests, but I still don't spend time reading negative posts in a thread like this because there's no point. If anything, however, it may be a good sign that this plan has so many determined, seemingly full time detractors. If it was just complete nonsense, I don't think we'd be seeing quite so much energy into opposing it. On the other hand, why waste time arguing with those who are obviously determined, for whatever motive, to not believe it?

You have to use the same kind of discernment in a forum as you do in the world in general. There are always many different energies floating around, trying to get your attention. It's best not to feed the ones that are only fostering doubt and fear or that try to draw you into endless debates.

[Pete]

It's not enough to see the prison walls, you have to understand how the control works otherwise you are still feeding the beast. Don't allow your gut to steer your mind otherwise you are acting in fear and that's what they need. Understand that if you use your heart to know the truth you escape the manipulation and you create your own reality because you understand the illusion and you are no longer acting in fear. When you no longer act in fear, you move away from the old conditioned responses and you begin in a very small way to create the future of your choice.

To use an analogy, it's a bit like driving in rush hour. You can either drive angry and get annoyed with all your fellow drivers and selfishly push your way home. or you look at it another way as spreading a little happiness. You let people out in front of you, stop to allow pedestrians to cross the road and ignore the taunts and horn blasts of your fellow travellers.

I know which way I drive and I can honestly say that I see other drivers follow my lead. It's up to you how you live your life, do you blindly follow the sheep or clear your own path?

The most important thing we can all do now is to stop reacting and allow our minds to still. Stop worrying about when and if, allow yourself to understand from your heart that we are already moving into the shift and it is going to work out just fine. Just visualise a peaceful transition with as little disruption as possible and begin to live the future you want now.

There is a lot more to your reality than you can possibly understand at this moment in time trust in your heart to guide your own truth.

Bless us all

[9eagle9]

Hello, those people who were claiming that everyone was negative and mocking instead of providing a solution....the solution is, in part, our filters.

Look down and read again






It totally lines up with what David Icke says about our reptilian brains and how we're programmed. If I remember correctly, he stated that was the easiest part to prove. Here's an interesting article that discusses how the reptilian brain, our brain works:

http://www.2012.com.au/Reptilian_brain2.html

Yes, the reptilian brain is also referred to as the primitive brainstem, which governs all of the biological visceral responses in the body, and is very reactive on the cellular level. The traumatic experiences which occur on this level during gestation and the first two years of life, cast shadows into one's adulthood which everything is filtered through. The elite know this, and even if one is not born a psychopath, an infant can be made into one with enough neglect, severing the visceral cellular feeling level from the positive emotions of love, comfort and safety, way before the cognitive mind is even developed and can rationalize the traumatic event. That training and brainwashing can come later.

Many do not see the connection between their gestation and infancy on their current actions and reactions, and that is also a part of the human condition. WE all have our filters. Looking at all of our own filters is wisdom, including those we brought from other lifetimes.

[Maunagarjana]

Bill Brockbrader’s video shows that we’re now moving into the end game of the Drake ‘plan’, and it’s going down just as many in this thread have predicted.

Political gamechangers always rely on ‘useful idiots’ such as Drake and Brockbrader, because they’re not very bright and so they cannot see through the idiocy of the plans that they’ve been manipulated into propagating. However, because they really believe these plans will work, their sincerity about the rightness of their cause shines through and infects others.

Drake and Brockbrader are ‘useful idiots’ because they don’t see how inciting people to riot, to swamp the justice system and to block all the roadways will not cause a military clamp down, a state of emergency and martial law to be swiftly declared across the whole country ~ the very thing that Brockbrader is saying it will prevent!

In case you missed that bit…

Brockbrader said at the beginning of the video that unless this mass action happens, there will be a false flag attack in which World War 3 will be declared and then all the dissidents will be rounded up ~ and by that he meant you folks, all of you who boarded the Drake train. So there's an implied threat right there.

Drake has been a Casting Central dream, with his down home, grand-poppy persona and his home made coffee recipes.

This has been a slow drip drip process, where people have been enticed by promises of mass arrests in which they don’t have to do anything but sit back and watch the fireworks. But now that you Drake followers have been had your expectations ramped up to what they consider to be a critical mass, and the disappointment is starting hit home from the realisation that nothing is going to happen on this Independence Day, they can now deliver the punchline, and that is, if you don’t take to the streets and bring the system to a halt… you will be arrested. However, the very opposite is true. Take to the streets and the very least that will happen to you will be arrest.

Drake has your email addresses, your Facebook addresses and your views are all over this thread, so you won’t be able to deny it. They've got you well hooked in by now. You will also be implicated, by association, in the $80 million dollar cyber-pilfering scam from the banks which Drake’s people claim was carried out by the ‘good guys’. I think you’re going to have a huge task getting that one over on the American people, that their pension funds were stolen all for the good of the cause. And then when they discover that you believe that the ETs are coming to save us all and shower fairy dust on the ‘evil cabal’ and throw them into the central sun, you will be lucky if you just get thrown into jail. Some of you will be put into mental homes.

Do you see where this is going now?

I hope you come to your senses and do not follow Bill Brockbrader’s advice to ‘make a greater sacrifice’… because you will be sacrificing your self, your family and your freedom right down the line.

I know I’m not popular when I say these things, but I’m willing to sacrifce popularity in the hope that some may hear me. I’d rather be unpopular than follow these useful idiot lemmings over the cliff. It's not too late to turn back.

If you're right, they'll be coming for you too. After all, you're one of the most dangerous dissidents of all, being able to see through all of their psyops. Your thought crimes are well documented here and on your site. You might as well just turn yourself in now. ;)

[Unified Serenity]

I wonder how many patriots have been arrested since Drake came on scene. Does that mean martial law is in full swing too? Some arrest of some political figure does not equate to the scenario of what Drake has been preaching. Of course, any arrests is going to give people who are desperate to believe in Drake ammo to go along. Mass arrests is the key. Let's see how many happen in the next two days.

[RMorgan]

I wonder how many patriots have been arrested since Drake came on scene. Does that mean martial law is in full swing too? Some arrest of some political figure does not equate to the scenario of what Drake has been preaching. Of course, any arrests is going to give people who are desperate to believe in Drake ammo to go along. Mass arrests is the key. Let's see how many happen in the next two days.

Nothing will happen, they´ll give an excuse and come up with another date, adding more drama and maybe another obscure anonymous character in the process.

As a matter of fact, this is what these folks have been doing since the begining of this "mass arrests" fiasco.

nothing happens > change dates > add more drama > nothing happens > change dates >add more drama ( over and over again)

Honestly, I don´t know how people believed this story in the first place. It never had anything close to solid to substantiate it besides words of an anonymous man.

[9eagle9]

Deatra the Patriot got arrested....

but not for being a patriot.....fraud wasn't it?



I wonder how many patriots have been arrested since Drake came on scene. Does that mean martial law is in full swing too? Some arrest of some political figure does not equate to the scenario of what Drake has been preaching. Of course, any arrests is going to give people who are desperate to believe in Drake ammo to go along. Mass arrests is the key. Let's see how many happen in the next two days.

Nothing will happen, they´ll give an excuse and come up with another date, adding more drama and maybe another obscure anonymous character in the process.

As a matter of fact, this is what these folks have been doing since the begining of this "mass arrests" fiasco.

nothing happens > change dates > add more drama > nothing happens > change dates >add more drama ( over and over again)

[Maunagarjana]

I wonder how many patriots have been arrested since Drake came on scene. Does that mean martial law is in full swing too? Some arrest of some political figure does not equate to the scenario of what Drake has been preaching. Of course, any arrests is going to give people who are desperate to believe in Drake ammo to go along. Mass arrests is the key. Let's see how many happen in the next two days.

Nothing will happen, they´ll give an excuse and come up with another date, adding more drama and maybe another obscure anonymous character in the process.

As a matter of fact, this is what these folks have been doing since the begining of this "mass arrests" fiasco.

nothing happens > change dates > add more drama > nothing happens > change dates >add more drama ( over and over again)

Both Cobra and Wilcock have already pretty much stated they are expecting things to happen in and around October.

[RMorgan]

Deatra the Patriot got arrested....

but not for being a patriot.....fraud wasn't it?



Deatra, from Freedom Reigns, was indeed arrested for felonious false pretense, which is some kind of fraud indeed; basically it´s the same thing as deliberately writing big bad checks.



Both Cobra and Wilcock have already pretty much stated they are expecting things to happen in and around October.

Nothing will happen in October as well, then they will come up with more excuses, add more drama and change dates.

[turiya]

Hi Stan, or, should it be - Last Man Stan...ding

Yes, Stan, following the heart, and certainly one can't go wrong.
The only thing that would Stan'd in the way of one following their heart would be their ego.
Certainly the Heart Center will lead one back home.

But as I read your post, I wonder which Stan is doing the writing, here? Is it the heart-felt Stan? Or, is it, Stan the egoist?
How to tell the difference?

Perhaps, a little analysis is needed.

1) I see in the first sentence that you feel that something has been taken away from you. You say, "...you Drake naysayers have taken over this thread."
If the Heartfelt Stan has written this post, then to start it off by saying 'this thread has been taken over' clearly shows that the writer is complaining about the thread being taken over.

Heart doesn't complain, Stan. Its the mind that complains... heart is full of acceptance.

2) you then say, There are so few supporters left here. They, like me, are so disgusted by the amount of insults that come from you people.
To me, heart has a purity, it is capable of rising above the minds of men/women. But here Heartfelt Stan is disgusted by insults.
Again, I don't see the heart getting caught up so much in what others are saying. Mind, on the other hand, gets caught up in such word games. It is the ego that gets entangled in conflicts, not the heart. Ego can feel threatened, it is the ego that can get disgusted because things don't go its way.
The heart knows where it stands. In order to feel insulted, the insult first has to be accepted. The heart knows itself, where it stands, it knows its own truth. The insulting words of others is simply not accepted by the heart.

Ego, on the other hand, gets hurt, it gets insulted, it gets caught up into conflicts. Its because ego is affected by what others think and say. It reacts because it has accepted what others think & say.

The ego is doing the writing, so it seems to me, Stan.

3) Next you seem to get accusery & say, "You seem to post after post and prattle on and get applauded by others who are all vying for admiration and a slap on the back for your "so clever" reckoning."
Again where is Heartfelt Stan getting off being so accusery?
Heart, on the contrary, is quite accepting of oneself, & it is accepting of others.

Tell me Stan, have you never been 'carrying on'? Or, vying for admiration? Or, looking for 'a slap on the back for being clever'? Is this not part of being human? To experience such things? Yet you seem to be condemnatory of those that would seek such attention.
If you have been through this stuff, and then you would know to where it leads. Have you not experienced this for yourself? If so, then why not empathize with others?
Certainly Heart would understand this. To allow others to find out where this path takes them, through their own experiences.

Ego, on the other hand, is looking to be condemnatory, to be looking for conflict. Because it thinks of itself to be at the very pinnacle of being superior to others. Ego doesn't empathize. On the contrary, it divides, it creates separation, it creates distance between others. Ego, in this way, is quite the hypocrite.
And mind you, the heart is not hypocritical, it is full of acceptance of others for who they are, and what they are.
It is only the mind that becomes hypocritical.

So please be true, Stan. At least be true to yourself. Or, better to say - true to your own heart center.

If I remember correctly, Bill did not come out so quickly to make his opinion known on this matter of Drake. He waited to see how things were going before he came out and said he would eat his hat.
In this regard, its not me that would be looking for a medal from Bill. On the contrary, I would award Bill a medal for finally seeing clearly and testifying accordingly.
So, I give Bill a medal.

Heart doesn't need medals. Heart knows where it stands. Is not at all affected by what others think.

The FEMA camps were created by people just like you, Stan.
People who believe they were following their hearts, doing this for the good of the people, out of the loving kindness of their hearts.
At least people would have a place to go to when the going got rough.
Out of the loving kindness of their hearts, they are going to eliminate the worthless eaters, and create a better humanity, a more intelligent humanity through eugenics.
All out of the loving kindness of what they think is their heart center.
I am sorry, but these people are quite lost. Literally, they do no know their hearts from a hole in the ground.

I trust that you know where your heart is, Stan, be true to it.

Cheers -*-

[Unified Serenity]

Another thing, before I forget, is this: I am speaking from my heart, as some perceptive people here might guess. I could speak from my intellect but I'm sorry to say it would like throwing pearls to swine. Of all you naysayers the only one I listen to is Unified Sincerity, she speaks from the heart and also from the intellect. We never seem to agree, but hey, that's ok. She encompasses the heart with the intellect as her username suggests. One thing more. I and others here supporting Drake have been ridiculed by you "clever" people that we are followers of a cult like, guru worshiping stance. Nothing is further from the truth. You all seem to agree with Bill Ryan here and thank every single post he makes. I don't, I only say thanks when I think he deserves it. If I were as you all accuse me of being a follower of a guru, ask Bill if he agrees with you. I have never been a follower of any living person. The nearest I got was Jesus and Rudolf Steiner and maybe Krishnamurti.

Stan

Stan, I appreciate your words. It's true, you and I hardly ever agree, but we do discuss things, and I appreciate that. I really do not understand why you support Drake and his mass arrest message that by now so many understand is nothing but a nice idea. There is no way he is in contact with military leaders or other nations to bring about this overthrow of the cabal. He wants us to think he is though, and his whole story just doesn't line up. Is it that you so much want them to be removed that you are going to support the message and idea of what Drake is saying and you don't believe he is in such contacts or do you really believe he is doing all he has proclaimed and is a leader of a great underground movement?

The cabal will be dealt with, but not in the manner Drake proposes. I look forward to that day in a way few can imagine.

[Unified Serenity]

Deatra the Patriot got arrested....

but not for being a patriot.....fraud wasn't it?



Deatra, from Freedom Reigns, was indeed arrested for felonious false pretense, which is some kind of fraud indeed; basically it´s the same thing as deliberately writing big bad checks.



Both Cobra and Wilcock have already pretty much stated they are expecting things to happen in and around October.

Nothing will happen in October as well, then they will come up with more excuses, add more drama and change dates.

Actually, moving dates gives more time for sthtf and then the Drake group take credit for chaos around the world or here at home. There is likely to be some protesting going on, there is a strong possibility of a false flag event which can be twisted to be lots of things by people. We have had wars, trials, arrests, protests every year. The issue now is if you can discern that nothing Drake has said has happened, and just because an event might happen in the future, it does not validate what Drake has said. Look, if I wake up every day and say, "Today the anti-christ is coming" and extend it day by day, one day I will be right. So, if Drake and company want to say every day or week or month, "The revolution is coming" they might eventually be right. Hell, a broken clock is right twice a day.

[we-R-one]

Deatra the Patriot got arrested....but not for being a patriot.....fraud wasn't it?

Deatra, from Freedom Reigns, was indeed arrested for felonious false pretense, which is some kind of fraud indeed; basically it´s the same thing as deliberately writing big bad checks.

Hey guys, go easy here.....the judicial system is so corrupt. Just because someone gets arrested doesn't mean the charges are accurate. They'll pull you in for anything so they can rape you of everything you own. So hold off on passing judgment. I know nothing of this person, I'm just saying in general. It's easy to read a newspaper clipping on someone and judge them based on the so-called charges. I would bet more times than not, many are wrongfully arrested and yanked into the system for irrelevant reasons. If our Republic was established, most people wouldn't even be arrested. The only means to arrest would be if you committed a crime in which another party was injured.

[turiya]

Deatra the Patriot got arrested....but not for being a patriot.....fraud wasn't it?

Deatra, from Freedom Reigns, was indeed arrested for felonious false pretense, which is some kind of fraud indeed; basically it´s the same thing as deliberately writing big bad checks.

Hey guys, go easy here.....the judicial system is so corrupt. Just because someone gets arrested doesn't mean the charges are accurate. They'll pull you in for anything so they can rape you of everything you own. So hold off on passing judgment. I know nothing of this person, I'm just saying in general. It's easy to read a newspaper clipping on someone and judge them based on the so-called charges. I would bet more times than not, many are wrongfully arrested and yanked into the system for irrelevant reasons. If our Republic was established, most people wouldn't even be arrested. The only means to arrest would be if you committed a crime in which another party was injured.

mmmm.... Myself, I am still waiting to hear about the arrest & conviction of Teri Hinkle.
She's the one that led the charge on all this, and all the others followed her lead.

-*-

[Unified Serenity]

It's all a drama to keep people in their collective chairs waiting.

[we-R-one]

I think that's a load of unmitigated balderdash (the red font extract from a link in we-r-one's post).

How does David Icke know how reptilians communiciate? As usual, as with all disinfo, there's a scintilla of truth in there (like the different functions of each brain hemisphere) but otherwise, he (or somebody) is just making it up.

The truth is, the part of the brain that communicates in pictures was much more prevalent in our earliest ancestors tens of thousands of years ago, and they communicated via imagery and metaphor. Even when they did begin to write stuff down (comparitively recently ...about 5,000 years ago) they used a picture language, otherwise known as hieroglyphics. It's only since the invention of writing that we have become unbalanced in that we use our left brain more than our right brain now.

The reptilian part of the brain is the limbic system and it lies under both the hemispheres and therefore is not likely to influence one more than the other, and neither is there any evidence that it does.

David Icke is another useful idiot in my opinion... he's been fed a load of psy-ops guff, just a different load of guff to that fed to Drake and Wilcock. That way, they can keep the puppets confusing us with different version of the"truth". There are no reptilians in this dimension and none that control us in other dimensions.

There are no photos or movies of reptilians, just drawings, and that also applies to ETs and aliens.

If these beings are real, why can't we them on YouTube or see photos of them? I understand that they wouldn't appear on mainstream media, but why doesn't David Icke interview one and post it on YouTube? Why doesn't Lady Dragon interview one of her ET contacts and post it on YouTube?

The reasons why are really obvious... but not to those who are so brainwashed by the alien agenda that they cannot see straight.

I have to disagree about the "no reptilians" thing because of personal experience. Now let me clarify, I cannot say the various experiences I have encountered were specifically "reptilian" but I have had several experiences with non physical, non 3d humans more than once.

And to be honest, if I had not had those experiences myself, I would be saying the same thing as Ishtar has just stated and in fact I did so up until my experiences started to happen and then when I was able to reflect upon the experience I had when I was 6 years old.

I have zero reason to lie, make this up... seek attention as to be honest, until I found this forum I was unable to share about these experiences with hardly anyone. I share about them now in hopes that I can understand these experiences better and in hopes that my sharing about them may help others. justone

I have encountered some crazy stuff in my day. I have not had to deal with what others here call Reptilians, but I'd not say they are not real. I think it's important to be able to share without being called a liar. I don't think Ishtar is calling anyone a liar, but I think she is saying that a lot of people believe and have zero experience of them. I might be out of line saying that, but that's the gist of the spirit I got from what she said. I see lots of stuff on earth that does appear to be about ancient reptilians. Is is myth, religious beliefs or a real group they interacted with? I don't know.

Justoneman, I concur. I have two people close to me that are Reptillian. To say working with them has been a challenge is an understatement. One was my father who is now deceased, and by the way, the very reason I was able to have a Kundalini and become more heart-centered, the other is someone very near and dear to me who is currently going through a transition out of playing the dark role. Let's just say this person used to be one of the heavy hitter "banksters" several years back. There is something to this Reptillian story, and honestly if I wouldn't have had the experiences that I did, I'm sure my opinion would be different. People have to remember that just because it hasn't happened to them doesn't mean it's not true. And of course since there's no book called "Complete Idiots Guide to Living with a Reptilian", does not negate the fact of their existence.

There are people with distinct characteristics that seem to fit the pattern. Take a look at RH negative bloodtypes and you will find the connection. Most will not notice, but those of us who are awake become aware, and it wasn't until last fall when I truly began to make the connection. It is best not to judge as there are souls down here playing roles and from my experience, the whole point in having such terrible things happen is in order for a soul to have an opportunity to become heart-centered by forgiving those who play the evil roles. This is your fuel to transform, this is what transmutes your DNA.

There are those Reptilian type who allow themselves to take on the lower dimensional frequencies in order to generate fuel for those of us who choose to see the purpose and gift they offer. This is thinking outside the 3D matrix of preconceived misconceptions.

[9eagle9]

October of last year (as predicted) or of this year as predicted, or next year? October of 2030?




I wonder how many patriots have been arrested since Drake came on scene. Does that mean martial law is in full swing too? Some arrest of some political figure does not equate to the scenario of what Drake has been preaching. Of course, any arrests is going to give people who are desperate to believe in Drake ammo to go along. Mass arrests is the key. Let's see how many happen in the next two days.

Nothing will happen, they´ll give an excuse and come up with another date, adding more drama and maybe another obscure anonymous character in the process.

As a matter of fact, this is what these folks have been doing since the begining of this "mass arrests" fiasco.

nothing happens > change dates > add more drama > nothing happens > change dates >add more drama ( over and over again)

Both Cobra and Wilcock have already pretty much stated they are expecting things to happen in and around October.

[foreverfan]

http://www.barking-moonbat.com/images/uploads2/bs_meter.jpg

[turiya]

Another thing, before I forget, is this: I am speaking from my heart, as some perceptive people here might guess. I could speak from my intellect but I'm sorry to say it would like throwing pearls to swine. Of all you naysayers the only one I listen to is Unified Sincerity, she speaks from the heart and also from the intellect. We never seem to agree, but hey, that's ok. She encompasses the heart with the intellect as her username suggests. One thing more. I and others here supporting Drake have been ridiculed by you "clever" people that we are followers of a cult like, guru worshiping stance. Nothing is further from the truth. You all seem to agree with Bill Ryan here and thank every single post he makes. I don't, I only say thanks when I think he deserves it. If I were as you all accuse me of being a follower of a guru, ask Bill if he agrees with you. I have never been a follower of any living person. The nearest I got was Jesus and Rudolf Steiner and maybe Krishnamurti.

Stan

Stan, I appreciate your words. It's true, you and I hardly ever agree, but we do discuss things, and I appreciate that. I really do not understand why you support Drake and his mass arrest message that by now so many understand is nothing but a nice idea. There is no way he is in contact with military leaders or other nations to bring about this overthrow of the cabal. He wants us to think he is though, and his whole story just doesn't line up. Is it that you so much want them to be removed that you are going to support the message and idea of what Drake is saying and you don't believe he is in such contacts or do you really believe he is doing all he has proclaimed and is a leader of a great underground movement?

The cabal will be dealt with, but not in the manner Drake proposes. I look forward to that day in a way few can imagine.

The question then arises: What is the deal with Neil Keenan? Just makes me wonder where he stands in all this?
Just a thought.
Has he ever come out and made any positive statement saying that he is in, or has been in close communications with Drake?
Just wondering.... Anybody?

-*-

[foreverfan]

Ahhh.... no Drake.... Oh well.... Back to Alex Jones fear porn.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg

[SilentFeathers]

I have spent the last hour trying to catch up on this thread and have notice an opposite effect of what I was expecting :)

Which is; no one has ascended that I noticed as being participants in this thread, and I see a few new posters....

Thus I have came to the conclusion that people are actually descending and not ascending!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To all the new descenders, welcome to the DRAKE THREAD!!!! lol! :cheer2:

[Maunagarjana]

The question then arises: What is the deal with Neil Keenan? Just makes me wonder where he stands in all this?
Just a thought.
Has he ever come out and made any positive statement saying that he is in, or has been in close communications with Drake?
Just wondering.... Anybody?

-*-

Keenan hasn't made any public statements that I know of, though many purport to speak for him. Drake has said on many occasions that he is in close contact with Neil Keenan.

[gripreaper]

I have spent the last hour trying to catch up on this thread and have notice an opposite effect of what I was expecting :)

Which is; no one has ascended that I noticed as being participants in this thread, and I see a few new posters....

Thus I have came to the conclusion that people are actually descending and not ascending!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To all the new descenders, welcome to the DRAKE THREAD!!!! lol! :cheer2:

Sorry it took you a whole hour to catch up. Same ol same ol. Can you imagine someone actually finding this thread for the first time thinking they were going to read all 140 pages and almost 3000 posts? How many times has the same thing been rehashed?

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w457/rozysmilez/cats%20gifs/cat-fighting-reflection-mirror.gif

[foreverfan]

From Wilcock's Thread... thought you might want to know...

Drake wrote Neil Keenan was also poisoned and passed away in the emergency room. I guess David's next update will talk about this?

[Moderator: We are investigating if there is any validity to that rumor]

______________________________________


Someone on Fulford's blog just said that Drake has stated that Keenan was killed by the same thing that Fulford was attacked with.

Is Drake full of it? Or is this true?"Drake, on his Facebook, says that Neil Keenan (of the trillion-dollar lawsuit fame) was poisoned in a similar manner but he did not survive:
Drake:
„I know about the assassination attempt of Ben Fulford. I have learned that the same thing happened to Neil Keenan the damn turkies poisoned him the same way they did with Mr. Fulford. I just learned that Mr. Keenan succumbed to the poison and passed away in an emergency room.“

Anyone can confirm that Keenan is dead?"

Has David heard anything about this?

______________________________________

CBS online News...

In Maryland, officials said they recovered the body of a man who had gone missing while boating early Saturday, bringing the state's death toll to 3, and the national toll to 22.

The timing of the storm is just right. Power and communications down for days so those who may be arrested can't plan any getaway... perhaps the 3 in Maryland and 22 who died nationally were not random. 322 is a reference to Skull & Bones perhaps.

There were more than 400 signal outages in Maryland on Monday, including more than 330 in hard-hit Montgomery County outside the nation's capital.

330 could be a reference to 33 degrees, as in the top degree of Freemasonry?

I highly doubt the news knows any of these stats for real, they just make it up, so these numbers are deliberate. Fulford claimed a while ago that CBS was ready to switch to real news.

I think the storm was cooked up by angels. Imagine you were one of "them" listening to Drake's broadcast, getting concerned and then BAM! A massive freak storm happens and all the lights go out!

Just an observation, maybe I'm schizophrenic, maybe that's a good thing... You rock my world Mr. David Wilcock.

[Jeffrey]

If we are all so interested why doesn't someone just call LKG Solicitors and ask some questions about Keenan's availability (or something creative if not straight forward)?

http://www.lkgballagh.ie/the-team.html

Also, I was researching the heck outta this one back when the Drake story broke on Divine Cosmos. I think Keith Scott (the same one involved in the case) is currently working for Australia's Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. As of right now, this cannot be confirmed.

Back away from the spoon. Grab a shovel.

He is under Indonesia, Regional Issues & East Timor Branch (INB). Third column from the right, last box. The PDF is small, so I'd recommend going to the source page here: http://www.dfat.gov.au/dept/dfat-org-chart-structure.pdf

http://www.dfat.gov.au/dept/dfat-org-chart-structure.pdf

Not only that but this Keith Scott (DFAT) was also working on the Pacific Plan.

http://archives.pireport.org/archive/2005/March/faq_pp.pdf

If indeed this is the same Keith Scott then how does his involvement in the aforementioned department and program(s) tie in with his involvement with this lawsuit and the Office of International Treasury Control? (which might I add has connections with the New Age movement through the DOM)

The OITC's movements in Fiji were particularly interdasting.

http://www.fijilive.com/news/2009/07/new-oil-joint-venture-can-succeed-ftib/18128.Fijilive

Now, Keith Scott (the one involved in the lawsuit) is the Executive Vice Chairman and Chief Financial Officer of Masi Corp Holdings Limited (2009).

I don't know for sure if the Keith Scott involved with the lawsuit and OITC is the same Keith Scott that works for DFAT. There are actually two Keith Scott's that work in closely related departments. I found a picture of one and it wasn't him, but the one I found the picture of wasn't the Keith Scott in the organizational structure in the PDF above anyways. I have laid out enough information to get anyone started who is interested in digging some more.

The object is to conclusively confirm or negate the connection between the two Keith Scott's with solid evidence, of which I haven't been able to uncover (yet).

Another thing, look at what Neil Keenan was doing around the time he supposedly came into contact with the Dragon Family. He was closing/working a huge deal selling Airtricity (formerly Eiretricity) for something like 8 billion euros. Anyways, just asking questions.

Just google terms like "Keith Scott" and "DFAT". Also there is a lot of information on him on the unwanted publicity site (along with a lot of material pertaining to the backstory of the lawsuit).

One more thing, take a look at Daniel Dal Bosco. He plays a huge role in this, and he's an interesting character with interesting motives. Nobody has heard from him either regarding the lawsuit. BTW he's been posting away on the internet in certain forums since he allegedly "absconded" with the bonds. He seems to be playing it pretty cool for someone with such heat on his back. He hasn't posted anything regarding the bonds or the lawsuit, rather he is just going about his business.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45127-Who-is-DANIELE-DAL-BOSCO-His-Personal-Views

Take a peek at that link. Dal Bosco was heavy into new age and had some insights to share about astral entities, reptilitans, programming, parasites, and 2012. From reading his stuff he seems like an honest guy, I just don't trust his influences.

[SilentFeathers]

I have spent the last hour trying to catch up on this thread and have notice an opposite effect of what I was expecting :)

Which is; no one has ascended that I noticed as being participants in this thread, and I see a few new posters....

Thus I have came to the conclusion that people are actually descending and not ascending!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To all the new descenders, welcome to the DRAKE THREAD!!!! lol! :cheer2:

Sorry it took you a whole hour to catch up. Same ol same ol. Can you imagine someone actually finding this thread for the first time thinking they were going to read all 140 pages and almost 3000 posts? How many times has the same thing been rehashed?

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w457/rozysmilez/cats%20gifs/cat-fighting-reflection-mirror.gif

Yeah, it's like using used toilet paper over and over..........

[RMorgan]

Foreverfan,

Looks like Neil Keenan is still alive.


"Hi, Folks -

I've just heard from Keenan, he says he doesn't have his boots on so he can't have died. :) He writes, "You can post I am still alive and well but with a nasty cold."

--hobie "
Date: Tuesday, 3-Jul-2012 19:37:50

source: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=244659

Here´s his facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/neil.keenan2

Anyone can send him a message on facebook and ask if he´s ok, anyway.

There are no messages about his death in his facebook "wall".

Raf.

[Jeffrey]

Looks like Neil Keenan is still alive.


"Hi, Folks -

I've just heard from Keenan, he says he doesn't have his boots on so he can't have died. :) He writes, "You can post I am still alive and well but with a nasty cold."

--hobie "
Date: Tuesday, 3-Jul-2012 19:37:50

source: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=244659

Here´s his facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/neil.keenan2

Anyone can send him a message on facebook and ask if he´s ok, anyway.

There are no messages about his death in his facebook "wall".

Raf.

I think that is a fake facebook account. I was under the impression that Neil Keenan attended the University College in Dublin.

[RMorgan]

I think that is a fake facebook account. I was under the impression that Neil Keenan attended the University College in Dublin.

Well, I´m not sure about it.

However, you can see that Benjamin Fulford is on his friend list, so, if Fulford accepted him as a friend on facebook, this account should be the real deal.

Anyway, here´s is his company profile:

http://www.willkie.com/NeilKeenan

Anyone can email him and ask if he´s ok. ( nkeenan@willkie.com )

Cheers,

Raf.

[Jeffrey]

I think that is a fake facebook account. I was under the impression that Neil Keenan attended the University College in Dublin.

Well, I´m not sure about it.

However, you can see that Benjamin Fulford is on his friend list, so, if Fulford accepted him as a friend on facebook, this account should be the real deal.

Cheers,

Raf.

Thanks.

Smells even fishy-er.

[SilentFeathers]

I think that is a fake facebook account. I was under the impression that Neil Keenan attended the University College in Dublin.

Well, I´m not sure about it.

However, you can see that Benjamin Fulford is on his friend list, so, if Fulford accepted him as a friend on facebook, this account should be the real deal.

Cheers,

Raf.

Thanks.

Smells even fishy-er.

I agree, everything concerning these characters is like rotten tuna.

PS: even mickey mouse could file a multi-million dollar lawsuit......whoops, I mean trillion.

I think this whole thing (and whateveryone thinks about it) is a deception......

Truth lies within the skeptic......

[we-R-one]

The truth is, the part of the brain that communicates in pictures was much more prevalent in our earliest ancestors tens of thousands of years ago, and they communicated via imagery and metaphor. Even when they did begin to write stuff down (comparitively recently ...about 5,000 years ago) they used a picture language, otherwise known as hieroglyphics. It's only since the invention of writing that we have become unbalanced in that we use our left brain more than our right brain now.


i have often said that the alpha numeric system we have
is entirely the wrong operating system for a creature with an imagination.
besides being inadequate for the task, it is too damn slow.

You are both correct in your observation. Way back when, man use to communicate through their hearts rather than their rational left brain. It is my understanding that the Illuminati understood the power of math-based languages spoken from the heart and then took advantage of this information and changed the English language to "New World Language." Basically the alphanumerics of English have been "energetically hashed", hence most likely the reason for unbalance. It's by design.....a form of control.

[turiya]

I think that is a fake facebook account. I was under the impression that Neil Keenan attended the University College in Dublin.
Well, I´m not sure about it.
However, you can see that Benjamin Fulford is on his friend list, so, if Fulford accepted him as a friend on facebook, this account should be the real deal.
Cheers,
Raf.
Thanks.
Smells even fishy-er.

Hey Vivek,

Just wonderin'...
Have you found any connection between Neil Keenan & the Keenan Trust?

turiya

[SilentFeathers]

You are both correct in your observation. Way back when, man use to communicate through their hearts rather than their rational left brain.

Personally I believe that way back then it was a right-left brain connected to the heart, connection (and spirit)........one cant be whole missing one part of the current.

[Jeffrey]

I think that is a fake facebook account. I was under the impression that Neil Keenan attended the University College in Dublin.
Well, I´m not sure about it.
However, you can see that Benjamin Fulford is on his friend list, so, if Fulford accepted him as a friend on facebook, this account should be the real deal.
Cheers,
Raf.
Thanks.
Smells even fishy-er.

Hey Vivek,

Just wonderin'...
Have you found any connection between Neil Keenan & the Keenan Trust?

turiya

The only Keenan's I could find were the one in Ireland (LKG Solicitors), and the one who went to Mount Allison University (which I think is bogus). There is also one who is a rotararian in Canada and one that works for a law office in New York. The most logical one would be the first considering his experience.

Keenan Trust? I'm gonna need a little more on that.

[Unified Serenity]

Keenan has been cloned, dont trust him. smirks

[SilentFeathers]

Keenan has been cloned, dont trust him. smirks

"They" take all shapes and forms......yikes!

[we-R-one]

One question to you, How do you move from the 3D to the 4D or even the 5D, I have been trying to move that way myself and loose this Matrix?

Sorry I missed your question....This is merely my opinion so it may or may not resonate with others. A dimension is merely a state of consciousness. So if you look at what we know about dimensions, each has it's own set of beliefs. Our 3D world wasn't established until enough of us began believing a certain way and it will be no different as we transition into the next dimension. So when enough of us choose to live within a certain set of beliefs we create a dimension. These dimensions have certain vibratory rates. The closer we get to heart-centered beliefs, which is where I believe we're headed, the closer we are to integration of the light and dark. The integration point being that of love and compassion which vibrates at the highest frequency in this universe.

This group vibratory rate, also known as frequency, is how new realities are created. Now you begin to understand what living in multi-dimensionality means! The big question is, what are the set of beliefs for each dimension? For those in 3D, one can refer to the common phrase of, if you can't see it, touch it, feel it, taste it, hear it, than it doesn't exist.

I look at at our 3D world as being set up by "preconceived misconceptions" in which the mass population has based the majority of their belief systems on several of these notions. Being able to to recognize the misconceptions is a process toward stepping outside the matrix. Further development will take you into discovering a new set of beliefs. In my obsevation the dimensional shift taking place is more heart-centered. People are recognizing that there's a huge void when it comes to spirituality.

Probably the best advice I can give is:
1. Under no circumstances should you operate in fear(an emotion that vibrates at a very low frequency).
2. As new truths come forward, be willing to shift your set of beliefs to match those truths.

Following these two rules is why I believe I was able to accelerate so quickly in such a short period of time. The acceleration process is a whole other discussion in itself. I can't say it will work for you, but for me, this was key to my awakening process.

Now I have some inklings as to what belief systems exist in different dimensions, but honestly I don't even want to post 'em, as I'm in no mood to defend what I'm discovering. And regardless of where the information came from or how logical it may sound, the naysayers will come out in droves. Now, if some well known messiah posted the information than I'm almost positive it would be looked upon as gospel to the masses. One thing's for sure, the 3rd dimensional belief system encompasses victim-hood, messiah worshiping, and lack of oneness and I personally no longer embrace those behaviors. If the chart on dimensions I've come to know is accurate, I've found myself comfortable within the 9th dimensional concepts. I struggle with one of the skill sets, that being able to use money as a tool in order to strengthen manifestation abilities, but I believe in time it is something that can be mastered if I apply myself properly.

You want out of 3D? Don't be afraid to go down rabbit holes and truly understand that just because you don't know about something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist; as most likely in another dimension, it will, and that's because the collective consciousness of the masses are in agreement. Once you make the choice to explore outside the matrix you can't pretend you didn't see anything, there's no turning back. How will you know you're no longer in 3D?... Everyone around you will no longer resonate. You will find their conversations mindless and insignificant. You will notice their drone like behavior and you will find yourself saying..."oh my god, that is soo 3D", lol. This is not a judgment, but merely an observation. It's not uncommon to find that you begin to loose interest in those that once were your closest friends. At times, you'll feel like you're on a roller coaster ride of emotions. This is the ascension process, this is experiencing the making of a new reality, and this is what I've come to know.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

i think that is a fake facebook account. I was under the impression that neil keenan attended the university college in dublin.

well, i´m not sure about it.

However, you can see that benjamin fulford is on his friend list, so, if fulford accepted him as a friend on facebook, this account should be the real deal.

Anyway, here´s is his company profile:

http://www.willkie.com/neilkeenan

anyone can email him and ask if he´s ok. ( nkeenan@willkie.com )

cheers,

raf.

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[Ishtar]

I think that's a load of unmitigated balderdash (the red font extract from a link in we-r-one's post).

How does David Icke know how reptilians communiciate? As usual, as with all disinfo, there's a scintilla of truth in there (like the different functions of each brain hemisphere) but otherwise, he (or somebody) is just making it up.
Yes, there is some (at least a scintilla) truth in there, and by the usual telling anyway, some confusion.

When we begin a post with a broadside slam, that tends to polarize the discussion, putting those who appreciated the useful parts on the defensive. Such probably plays into the hands of the bastards in power that seek to increase their tyrannical control over us.

May I suggest being more specific, more calm, and more tolerant about the points one is making?

My take is that David Icke was confusing (1) the more primitive reptilian parts of the brain (the cerebellum, limbic system and brain stem) with (2) the two halves of the the large outer brain, the cerebral cortex. Current conventional thinking has the left side of the cerebral cortex being more logical and linguistic, while the right side is more intuitive and visual. Reptiles don't have a cortex, which is why the more primitive parts of the brain, below the cortex, closer to the top of the spinal cord, are called reptilian - that's structure we share with reptiles.

See further http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/kinser/Structure1.html, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain or http://tlhung.blogspot.com/2010/04/part-5-brain-regions-and-controls.html.

My suspicion is that these efforts to localize various forms of thought and mental activity to specific physiological locations in the brain are missing an important point ... just as the split between science and religion misses a point. I suspect there is another level, which my "3D" mind doesn't understand very well, sometimes called the spiritual, which is not localized by function within parts of the brain. I also suspect that even the relation between the physical parts of the brain (and heart, gut, ...) and the conventional forms and functions of thought and feeling are more subtle and indirect than conventional thought recognizes.

Thank you for putting it so much better than I did.

I must apologise for my bad mood yesterday, mainly brought on from being forced to watch YouTube videos with creepy music about skulls purported to be alien just because they didn't recognise the DNA, even though there are very many hominids in the fossil record that predate modern man by hundreds of thousands of years for which we don't have the DNA.

I also get snappy when people uncritically swallow what they're being told to believe in YouTube videos with creepy music instead of doing the research for themselves...especially as I have gone to the trouble to do that research and am getting no credit for it. I'm sometimes regarded as if I'm a narrow minded old crustie just because I don't believe in ETs... but I don't believe in them because I cannot independently verify their existence, (and neither can the people, usually, that believe in them) and I think that independence of thought is a sign of authenticity, and something to be respected.

If I was a better person, I wouldn't react to all this ...I'd be far more tolerant, and on a good day, I can do better. But yesterday was, sadly, not one of those days.

Mea culpa (is there a 'falling on sword' smilie?)

[SKAWF]

I have spent the last hour trying to catch up on this thread and have notice an opposite effect of what I was expecting :)

Which is; no one has ascended that I noticed as being participants in this thread, and I see a few new posters....

Thus I have came to the conclusion that people are actually descending and not ascending!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To all the new descenders, welcome to the DRAKE THREAD!!!! lol! :cheer2:

yup, introduce a bit of conflict and watch the frequency plummit

[mountain_jim]

Well I don't really keep up here, but it appeared to me Sheldan Nidle's 'Galactic' channel, July 3rd edition, climbs aboard, tips hat: :)


The procedures now underway are in their final stage and so we have given the 'green light.'

[SKAWF]

Well I don't really keep up here, but it appeared to me Sheldan Nidle's 'Galactic' channel, July 3rd edition, climbs aboard, tips hat: :)


The procedures now underway are in their final stage and so we have given the 'green light.'


so how does this tally up then?,
drake gives a green light....
then the galactic federation jump in as well,
then drake retracts......

i can imagine a thread at galactic central HQ
with a whole load of et's debating whether drake is full of sh*t or not!
no doubt a galactic elder is appealing for calm
telling everyone to stop acting like earthlings etc
and then a face palm moment as word comes back that its happening in october now.

well, thats my impartiality blown.

[Billy]

French police raid home of former president Nicolas Sarkozy
http://www.rt.com/news/police-raid-sarkozy-home-324/

Police officers have carried out a number of raids in Paris - on the villa Nicolas Sarkozy shares with his wife Carla Bruni, on the law offices of the former president's attorneys and on the apartment provided to him by the government.


Judge Jean-Michele Gentil and financial police searched the Sarkozys’ villa Montmorency, located in the French capital's most luxurious district, the offices of Arnaud, Claude and Associates, in which Sarkozy is a shareholder, and an apartment given to the former president by the government.

The raids are reportedly linked to a campaign finance corruption scandal involving billionaire L’Oreal heiress Lilian Bettencourt.

Bettencourt, France’s richest woman, is alleged to have illegally contributed two payments of 400,000 euros each to Mr Sarkozy's 2007 election campaign, despite the fact the legal limit on individual donations being 4,600 Euro.

Both were traced to Swiss accounts, and one was allegedly received by Sarkozy in person in Paris, in return for offering the cosmetics magnate tax breaks once he came to power.

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Lord Christopher Monckton, chief policy advisor to the Science and Public Policy Institute and former science advisor to Margaret Thatcher, tells The New American from Rio that the just-concluded Rio+20 conference was not about saving the planet or eradicating poverty, but about shackling the plant under global government. He also optimistically stresses that the "pointy heads here in Rio" have failed despite their declaration of success and that "the game is up." Video produced by http://www.libertynewsnetwork.tv



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[Chester]

Another thing, before I forget, is this: I am speaking from my heart, as some perceptive people here might guess. I could speak from my intellect but I'm sorry to say it would like throwing pearls to swine. Of all you naysayers the only one I listen to is Unified Sincerity, she speaks from the heart and also from the intellect. We never seem to agree, but hey, that's ok. She encompasses the heart with the intellect as her username suggests. One thing more. I and others here supporting Drake have been ridiculed by you "clever" people that we are followers of a cult like, guru worshiping stance. Nothing is further from the truth. You all seem to agree with Bill Ryan here and thank every single post he makes. I don't, I only say thanks when I think he deserves it. If I were as you all accuse me of being a follower of a guru, ask Bill if he agrees with you. I have never been a follower of any living person. The nearest I got was Jesus and Rudolf Steiner and maybe Krishnamurti.

Stan

Stan, I appreciate your words. It's true, you and I hardly ever agree, but we do discuss things, and I appreciate that. I really do not understand why you support Drake and his mass arrest message that by now so many understand is nothing but a nice idea. There is no way he is in contact with military leaders or other nations to bring about this overthrow of the cabal. He wants us to think he is though, and his whole story just doesn't line up. Is it that you so much want them to be removed that you are going to support the message and idea of what Drake is saying and you don't believe he is in such contacts or do you really believe he is doing all he has proclaimed and is a leader of a great underground movement?

The cabal will be dealt with, but not in the manner Drake proposes. I look forward to that day in a way few can imagine.

The question then arises: What is the deal with Neil Keenan? Just makes me wonder where he stands in all this?
Just a thought.
Has he ever come out and made any positive statement saying that he is in, or has been in close communications with Drake?
Just wondering.... Anybody?

-*-

I have stayed on top of the Drake stuff for quite awhile. I have never heard Scott (who seems to be the one who speaks for Keenan) once make any reference to Drake nor the actions the Drake "plan" purports to be in process of implementing. I have heard Drake several times refer to the Keenan lawsuit but most of the time he did this it was via innuendo. I got the impression that Drake was trying to piggyback on the Keenan lawsuit momentum. Not a sign of a true insider.

It is my understanding that the Keenan suit has been temporarily withdrawn by the way.

Scott did do the interview with Kerry Cassidy and of course they actually have used David Wilcock several times to get various informations out about this suit (and the history behind it from their point of view).

Again, I just got the feeling Drake is a "wanna be" player and I know that may sound like I am discrediting him but I am not. I believe he believes all of what his insiders tell him and the voice or voices he probably hears in his head. (I do not suspect that will last forever though, I think he will one day wake up that he has been duped on both levels).

My assessment is that Drake has achieved some talents through his mystery school (Dragon Society) studies and has developed some degree of psi talent. If I am correct, folks like that (who have not established firm footing in areas of discernment and what I call true morality of the heart) can become influenced via what I call "archontic forces" in which they suspect they are being communicated to via "higher intelligences" but are really responding to their desire to seek change and fall for the archontic trap that develops into a full blown messianic complex.

When that happens, one's power to alter reality may increase due to the strengthening of their will and belief and they are able to experience all sorts of psi phenomena "confirmations" via the reality in combination with their inner conversation and that is how they end up going out into fantasy land (as I suspect Drake has).

Now if nefarious forces see a proclivity in someone like Drake who might be a candidate for playing a "front man" role in managed psy-ops, then a Drake becomes an extremely useful tool.

It would not take more than a handful of actual insiders (who could actually be exposed to the same thing as I suspect Drake has been exposed to) to being managed as well and voila, you have the Drake Show.

At best a major distraction but at worst, if intended and managed properly, could be one of the leading excuses (seen as causes by unwitting masses that buy the MSM garbage) for implementation of martial law.

I would not take the Drake thing so lightly and I suspect Bill's input was hoping to push this Drake business away. My purpose for piping up about it from time to time is in case newcomers fall into this thread without getting the adequate 145 or so pages of background.

It is a clown show and we should continue to pound this fact in this thread over and over and over.

justoneman

added note: written from experience and something I am still also struggling with but which I believe I have the upper hand on and I can give 100% credit for having this upper hand because it is not me dealing with this entity (or entities) alone... I have several dozen awesome folks here on Avalon also with me. But in being honest, this is why I perceive this about Drake... it takes one to know one type thing.

[Ishtar]

It is a clown show and we should continue to pound this fact in this thread over and over and over.

justoneman

Well said, justoneman. My thoughts exactly.

[turiya]

Thanks, justoneman. This is pretty much what my assessment is as well. Just wasn't sure whether I had missed a time when Keenan or Scott came on with Drake.

Drake was attempting to make it appear that he was in close communicato with Neil Keenan & Scott.
I also sensed that there was a bit of distance in Scott's response when Drake came on Kerry's interview to ask his obvious 'yes' question to Scott.
Also no elaboration coming from Scott to indicate they had known each other for more than this one time encounter.

Be well.
turiya

[Jeffrey]

i think that is a fake facebook account. I was under the impression that neil keenan attended the university college in dublin.

well, i´m not sure about it.

However, you can see that benjamin fulford is on his friend list, so, if fulford accepted him as a friend on facebook, this account should be the real deal.

Anyway, here´s is his company profile:

http://www.willkie.com/neilkeenan

anyone can email him and ask if he´s ok. ( nkeenan@willkie.com )

cheers,

raf.

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Calling, only to get an answering machine. He says his name, but he don't sound Irish to me. I will get him on the phone to see if it's Neil Francis Keenan unless one of y'all beat me to it! I'm still putting my money on the LKG Keenan as the most likely candidate (calling him may be a little trickier for me).

Someone should call or write William H. Mulligan Jr. (with Bleakley, Platt & Schmidt of White Plains) to ask about the case. I was thinking of just posing as an independent researcher working with a local community college newspaper (or Batman), and asking him some very basic questions. Any takers?

[gripreaper]

It's unfortunate, but the Drake supporters have gone "mute" and have not spoken up in this thread for days. Many announced that they were leaving and would post their updates elsewhere.

This is unfortunate, that those who support Drake feel that they have to leave or be silent. What I don't agree with, is calling those who disagree with Drake as "naysayers" when if fact, all I have ever done was transcribe and repeat the very things that Drake, Wilcock, Cobra, Lady Dragon said (did not bring in anything channeled, although I could have) and summarized it in a way that anyone could see the string of tidbits tied together into a whole.

If it sounds insane to you, then what should you be asking yourself?

I've also proposed many solutions, which have gone over like a lead balloon.

[gripreaper]

This is one of Drake's favorites, appropriate for today, Independence Day here in America. Loggin's and Messina's "Changes". This is the only version I could find.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLw9HAz9aLw

[Alie]

Hello Gripreaper
I have enjoyed your respectful information and discourse on this thread. I of course have posted in this thread and would consider myself in favor of what Drake has said. There is nothing to post at this time, as it has not turned out to be as "predicted". Do I feel foolish? No, I do not.

However, I could count on my 1 hand those that I enjoy the dialogue with regarding this thread, and since that has been done, there is nothing else to say.

During the time of this thread has also been Sabrina's thread. I feel these two threads have edified me quite a bit, and am grateful for the opportunity to support the information as it has been presented.

[Kimberley]

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4pm PACIFIC 5PM MOUNTAIN 6pm CENTRAL 7pm EST

4th of July Celebration! - "Sit Back and Watch the Fireworks" ~Drake

Link to todays Radio show with Drake and his team...

group chat room can be found here... http://www.globalvoice2012.us/


call in number is (646) 716-4984

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/global-voice-2012-radio-network/2012/07/04/gvr--drake-mid-week-update--wednesday-1


Much love to us all!! :grouphug:

[gripreaper]

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4pm PACIFIC 5PM MOUNTAIN 6pm CENTRAL 7pm EST

4th of July Celebration! - "Sit Back and Watch the Fireworks" ~Drake

Link to todays Radio show with Drake and his team...

group chat room can be found here... http://www.globalvoice2012.us/


call in number is (646) 716-4984

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/global-voice-2012-radio-network/2012/07/04/gvr--drake-mid-week-update--wednesday-1


Much love to us all!! :grouphug:

I'm all ears. Let's hear it.


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[Chester]

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1062-green-light

UPDATE 7/3: NEIL KEENAN IS ALIVE AND WELL -- AND THE SUIT IS GOING FORWARD

A fake Facebook page from someone claiming to be Drake said that Neil Keenan had been attacked, ostensibly from the same bio-weapon that hit our insider -- and had died from it.

I just got done speaking with Neil on Skype for over a half hour, and can assure you he is alive and well.

Others have pointed out that his lawsuit was withdrawn. This is true -- but it has only been done so as to defeat a strong attack mounted against it, and re-file it with much more damning information.

This lawsuit does form the legal grounds for mass arrests. Literally, the liens we posted on this website against the Federal Reserve and its cohorts serve as legally valid arrest warrants against the Cabal.

blah blah...

[9eagle9]

Maybe the aliens had a bad aim with their suspended animation gun.

"Oh ****, sorrry Neil. You're on OUR side, right?!

[gripreaper]

I can't move myself to comment about today's Drake show.

To my fellow American's, have an awesome evening with your families and REALLY THINK about what the truth is when you LOOK into the eyes of the little children.

[UnrealDreams]

Police have raided Sarkozy's home. This is a great development. Don't let your deep desire for justice to lead you to support an illegal military action. In our society, police carry out arrests. I can not support the military arresting civilians. That is a slippery slope that society does not need to go down. History would indicate that allowing the military to carry out police actions have not benefitted the citizens of those countries. Major atrocities have occured under these circumstances..

However, there is hope. IF the crazy elite decide to ask the military to start arresting and detaining American citizens, there will be a major revolt within the ranks of the military....and that would be an opportunity for this "plan" to take place. The principal reamins the same. The military is not used to arrest citizens. Any order to do so should be taken as treason, and the commanding officer must be arrested.

[modwiz]

Maybe the aliens had a bad aim with their suspended animation gun.

"Oh ****, sorrry Neil. You're on OUR side, right?!

Bad aim, eh? I wonder if the Maliens remember to put the toilet seat down.:rolleyes:

[SKAWF]

something occurs to me.
its connected with this topic but not directly.

i'm listening to tonights show (well, last nights)

it starts with 'god bless the USA'

i found myself pulling back to look at things from a wider more abstract perspective.
it cant be denied that americans do love their country.
something which continues even as the administration tries to destroy it.

and on the one hand i think, well, if you love your country so much,
how can you stand there and let it fall down around you?

are you so blind that you'll pump out patriotism
while ignoring the fact that you're being attacked?

some see it, and they are attacked by those that dont.

i went from there to thinking about the mechanism of the solution.

so,,,, its about getting the message out

almost like having a baton (the message) being passed around from person to person
surely from a bigger picture perspective, the overall objective is bigger than any one persons opinion.

'the greater good' you might say.

possibly something that should be supported, regardless of the views of any one person....

so what would i do if the baton was passed to me?............

do i pass it onto the next person, with the greater good in mind....
or do i throw it on the floor because of my own reservations?

cause its not really about me is it?

whatever is going on, affects everyone
and that includes those who's opinions are opposed to my own.

the crap we face, is all encompassing,
and requires an all encompassing solution...
not just one which is relative to my own perspective.

its not 'me', its 'we'

i try not to attack things without a very good reason

but if i were honest, i have said things that havnt helped matters.

so i'm resolved to considering the greater good.

bickering amongst ourselves serves no purpose

how much energy is wasted that way?
how many genuinely helpful things never get off the ground
because of 'in fighting'?

being polarised, divided and ruled is why we're in the situation we are in.

i think we should bare in mind, that even though your views may be opposed to mine,
that does not make you my enemy.
we are both being attacked by a third party. which we ignore as we fight amongst ourselves.

steve

[crosby]

steve, excellent. you hit it hard. there is no easy way out of this. ever. thank you.
corson

[Cjay]

Some people just can't resist their (apparently pathological) need to put others down, with sarcasm or ridicule or fake intellectualism or pseudo-superiority or impenetrable force-fields of logic. Why do they bother? Have they nothing better to do? Like using their superior intellect to do something constructive and clean up this stinking mess we call modern human society.

I wonder if those ultra-negative types ever feel good about anything or do anything worthwhile.

Sheesh!

Yes, I'm tired of all the BS. I wish for positive change in the world as a whole, which includes this microcosm of supposedly enlightened people here at Project Avalon Forum.

[Bill Ryan]

Some people just can't resist their (apparently pathological) need to put others down, with sarcasm or ridicule or fake intellectualism or pseudo-superiority or impenetrable force-fields of logic. Why do they bother? Have they nothing better to do? Like using their superior intellect to do something constructive and clean up this stinking mess we call modern human society.

I wonder if those ultra-negative types ever feel good about anything or do anything worthwhile.

Sheesh!

Yes, I'm tired of all the BS. I wish for positive change in the world as a whole, which includes this microcosm of supposedly enlightened people here at Project Avalon Forum.

I take the point, and of course you're right. I've been as mindful as possible not to be personally cruel or hurtful in my objectivity (i.e. stating clearly, and fairly often, that all this is dangerous, diverting nonsense, which it is :) ). But here's a personal statement, which I suspect others may share as also being true for them:

For the last year (which encompasses the Elenin fiasco, 11-11-11, endless talk of "Ascension" -- as in some kind of cosmic rapture, "Nibiru" snapped time and again by cellphone cameras, and now the fantasy of "mass arrests"), I've become more and more disappointed, frustrated and impatient as I read more and more nonsense all over the alternative media.

Boy, are so many of us being taken for a ride, and buying it wholesale, and not learning from our experiences.

The real frustration I have -- as David Icke has -- is with those who are smart and informed enough to know better. For them, I apply higher standards. I can understand and forgive an enthusiastic teenager, hungry for information, for soaking up dubious YouTube videos like a sponge, and learning more week by week. They are on their journey and all that is fine and natural.

But for those with a responsibility, and a voice, and a platform, and an audience, it's a lot harder to understand. There are many who have slipped up here, and I will not name them. I've named names in past posts on this thread and elsewhere -- and David Icke points the finger as well, in his own inimitable style (I've not spoken with him recently, but I'll wager he feels exactly the same frustration as I do.) Many reading this thread will know full-well who they are.

The frustration is like sitting on one's hands and watching one's team effort being wholeheartedly sabotaged by one's own colleagues. That's the rub.

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Update: copied to David Icke personally with full permission to republish, and submitted as a comment to divinecosmos.com (http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1062-green-light).

[Belle]

The name of the game appears to be distractions and diversions...a game many here seem to enjoy playing, while some of the most worthy threads are left with little interest at best or side-tracked at worse...imo.

[Sebastion]

Not to worry or be totally disgusted Bill, for all is not lost in the chaos......

[we-R-one]

I take the point, and of course you're right. I've been as mindful as possible not to be personally cruel or hurtful in my objectivity (i.e. stating clearly, and fairly often, that all this is dangerous, diverting nonsense, which it is :) ). But here's a personal statement, which I suspect others may share as also being true for them:

For the last year (which encompasses the Elenin fiasco, 11-11-11, endless talk of "Ascension" -- as in some kind of cosmic rapture, "Nibiru" snapped time and again by cellphone cameras, and now the fantasy of "mass arrests"), I've become more and more disappointed, frustrated and impatient as I read more and more nonsense all over the alternative media.

Boy, are so many of us being taken for a ride, and buying it wholesale, and not learning from our experiences.

The real frustration I have -- as David Icke has -- is with those who are smart and informed enough to know better. For them, I apply higher standards. I can understand and forgive an enthusiastic teenager, hungry for information, for soaking up dubious YouTube videos like a sponge, and learning more week by week. They are on their journey and all that is fine and natural.

But for those with a responsibility, and a voice, and a platform, and an audience, it's a lot harder to understand. There are many who have slipped up here, and I will not name them. I've named names in past posts on this thread and elsewhere -- and David Icke points the finger as well, in his own inimitable style (I've not spoken with him recently, but I'll wager he feels exactly the same frustration as I do.) Many reading this thread will know full-well who they are.

The frustration is like sitting on one's hands and watching one's team effort being wholeheartedly sabotaged by one's own colleagues. That's the rub.

***

It's called ego....and it takes over even the most intelligent one's in the bunch.

[we-R-one]

The name of the game appears to be distractions and diversions...a game many here seem to enjoy playing, while some of the most worthy threads are left with little interest at best or side-tracked at worse...imo.

I've noticed the same thing and have posted:

".....There are many Avalon members that are coming to this conclusion and posting their experiences, but unfortunately they're being drowned out by unverifiable information such as Drake and the like types of threads........ But you know what, because many of these members who are posting these experiences aren't considered "messiah's", even by the likes of Avalon members who should know better, they are being ignored. If you look at the threads that have the most views, it's the ones' that offer no solutions and many of them focus on doom and gloom type of topics. The change is you and until the masses understand this we will continue this vicious cycle over and over again.


And as soon as this Drake stuff calms down, hopefully by the end of this week:

"I plan on posting a thread sometime this week explaining a solution in more depth. I hope to see you on there. Better yet, I hope to see every Avalonian on there and may it be the most viewed thread ever on Project Avalon."

[Unified Serenity]

Some people just can't resist their (apparently pathological) need to put others down, with sarcasm or ridicule or fake intellectualism or pseudo-superiority or impenetrable force-fields of logic. Why do they bother? Have they nothing better to do? Like using their superior intellect to do something constructive and clean up this stinking mess we call modern human society.

I wonder if those ultra-negative types ever feel good about anything or do anything worthwhile.

Sheesh!

Yes, I'm tired of all the BS. I wish for positive change in the world as a whole, which includes this microcosm of supposedly enlightened people here at Project Avalon Forum.

I'll also note that trashing others by accusing them of trashing others is a bit ironic. Your post seems awfully accusatory and negative to me. You are entitled to your opinion and stating it, but it is certainly ironic to me.

[Bill Ryan]

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Just got a reply from David (Icke) that was highly entertaining -- and also laser-sharp in its perception. He's a very good man, and I hold him in the highest regard.

I've asked for his okay to post it -- suggesting that he might want to tone it down a little for pubic consumption(!).

[Unified Serenity]

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Just got a reply from David (Icke) that was highly entertaining -- and also laser-sharp in its perception. He's a very good man, and I hold him in the highest regard.

I've asked for his okay to post it -- suggesting that he might want to tone it down a little for pubic consumption(!).

Bill, if he allows I'd much rather have the not toned down version. But, if it's only in pm, I'll accept that too :D

[we-R-one]

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Just got a reply from David (Icke) that was highly entertaining -- and also laser-sharp in its perception. He's a very good man, and I hold him in the highest regard.

I've asked for his okay to post it -- suggesting that he might want to tone it down a little for pubic consumption(!).

Good. I like him too. He's the very person I'm going to use to validate my solution and he's dead on. And it's our fellow Avalonians, who are validating what he all ready knows and has suggested.

[Fred Steeves]

I hold David Icke in very high regards as well, as he was instrumental in my awakening, but there are others right here on this very forum who I also see in the same light. While I happen to heartilly agree with David's sentiments, I would hope that most of us by now are beyond the point of holding famous people's opinions any higher than our own, or of the ones we've come to trust and respect in our own circles.

Maybe I'm way off base here, but let's see. It seems to me that the whole point of what we're all doing here, is to get ourselves to the point where we don't necessarily need the opinions of the David Ickes, Jordan Maxwells, Bill Ryans, Drakes, etc., to come to our own conclusions about things. If this forum Bill has created is not a training ground for any who so desire to be the same type of influential individual in this world, then I don't know what it is after all.

What I do know, is that no matter what happens, all will be well, as it always has been, and always will be.

Cheers,
Fred

[9eagle9]

That is precisely what it is all about. And I know a great many people who know more than our Celebrity gurus and their star gazers. throughout all the centuries all the great masters and teachers (emphasis on Great) had the expectation that their students would exceed their knowing, that one day the master would bow to the student.

It' s basically just another symptom of loss of self, and loss of self authority and without that we are doomed to walk in circles on an individual and collective level until self authority is gained.

And Yes I very well notice how people with an iota of self authority are regarded in this forum. Those without it resent those who have it. But those same people express things that I really don't want to look at but I do and direct me to places where I'd normally not think to look. They challenge me and there's where growth is. I'm not very well equipped to argue with them if I have no idea what they are talking about in the first place. I see much of that here too.

David Icke was big eye opener for me too but as things have progressed I've noticed an area or two where correction or clarification was needed.

Any teacher is going to have slavish adherents, parasites practically, that hang on every word as gospel truth and it is those people that prevent progression. They don't do the teacher any favors.

Having noticing those areas of where clarification was needed prompted an attack from the Icke zombies. David Icke doesn't promote that sort of thing and his worshipers cause more trouble for him than good, because they are not learning. They deny any critical examination and go into George Bush mode (which I'm positive Icke doesn't promote) "If you aren't with David you are against him."

Sorry I noticed something Icke overlooked, I'll retreat back to my place in the herd and wonder why we are still in herd mode. I have myself noted several posts directed at me stating "I hope someone proves you wrong'.

Like that is going to help us. I'm wrong so the world is fixed, right? I'm wrong so that means they must be right? It doesn't work that way. That's just ego overgrowth, and its growing because of the way people attack onto things like bloodsuckers.

Jordan Maxwell, I like him a lot, he demonstrates how our language is an essential part of our programming. I'm a bit dubious about his claims of how history went down, but that is my self authority at work there. I have the self authority to make that determination. I'm okay with it, his fans that go overboard creating a Maxwell Gospel are not and I don't see Maxwell promoting that sort of emotional temperature either.

David Wilcocks I so see doing that, "Come let them adore me".

Its so demeaning to those who desperately glom on to people like that. It's so self arresting.

That is soooo old paradigm that one SEES through the behaviors and actions of others that they are not as enlightened as they'd like to think of themselves as.

Then there are the naughty negative people whose only moral and character failings are to notice this behavior.

It is all back to people clamoring for safety and if you critically examine anything they no longer feel safe. The savior may not be able to save them.

The savior wouldn't be able to keep them safe in the first place with or without critical examination. Drake will fall on his face with or without our commentary. Our commentary is meant to keep others from falling on their face with him. It may not seem compassionate but that is what core value is there no matter how 'negative' something sounds.


I hold David Icke in very high regards as well, as he was instrumental in my awakening, but there are others right here on this very forum who I also see in the same light. While I happen to heartilly agree with David's sentiments, I would hope that most of us by now are beyond the point of holding famous people's opinions any higher than our own, or of the ones we've come to trust and respect in our own circles.

Maybe I'm way off base here, but let's see. It seems to me that the whole point of what we're all doing here, is to get ourselves to the point where we don't necessarily need the opinions of the David Ickes, Jordan Maxwells, Bill Ryans, Drakes, etc., to come to our own conclusions about things. If this forum Bill has created is not a training ground for any who so desire to be the same type of influential individual in this world, then I don't know what it is after all.

What I do know, is that no matter what happens, all will be well, as it always has been, and always will be.

Cheers,
Fred

[mattymoto]

I really like what D. Icke has to say. I'm also looking forward to what he has yet to say.

I wasn't what you would call a Drakey, but I do hear his message. I love my country and my fellow countrymen/women. Since the age of 12 I knew what lies people were selling, and suffered depression because of it. It starts with the innocent stuff like santa, the easter bunny and all that other stuff- lies, lies, LIES! But as I got older still the lies never stopped. Church, God , governement, and the idea that doctors cured- it's all been a scam as far as the eyes can see.

Frustration and anger to the nth degree inside of me, yet nobody else can see. I do still have hope and look to a brighter future.

THERE IS NO MORE REASON FOR LIES AND SECRETS

[SilentFeathers]

Related information: Bill Wood / Brockbrader

Also, in the actual news clip they show a picture of Bill Ryan, Kerry, and David Wilcock and say they are strong supporters of Bill Wood!

Sex offender claims to be Navy SEAL with psychic abilities
http://wtkr.com/2012/05/31/newschannel-3-investigation-man-claims-to-be-navy-seal-with-psychic-abilities/#ooid=dsamN3NDpODplReK8L6uYNxNXazXCbcc

also, case file: Criminal Complaint (District of Idaho Case # MS 12-7304) concerning Bill Wood (I haven't read it but was told it was "quite revealing"

[bekrah]

I really like what D. Icke has to say. I'm also looking forward to what he has yet to say.

I wasn't what you would call a Drakey, but I do hear his message. I love my country and my fellow countrymen/women. Since the age of 12 I knew what lies people were selling, and suffered depression because of it. It starts with the innocent stuff like santa, the easter bunny and all that other stuff- lies, lies, LIES! But as I got older still the lies never stopped. Church, God , governement, and the idea that doctors cured- it's all been a scam as far as the eyes can see.

Frustration and anger to the nth degree inside of me, yet nobody else can see. I do still have hope and look to a brighter future.

THERE IS NO MORE REASON FOR LIES AND SECRETS


I wanted to reply to this, it's stirred something inside of me. I completely agree with you. I also think that it's a bit cruel that we tell our kids about these creatures, Santa, the Easter-bunny, the tooth fairy, and then rip it all away from them. I wonder sometimes if this isn't something used to program people into not believing in anything. I used to read these books about a mythical place called Xanth, it existed in another dimension, it was a magical place, you had dragons, and unicorns, and magic powers, and sorcerers and such. They knew about Earth, they called it Mundania. I think the real lie we've all been force-fed growing up is that a place such as Mundania exists, and that we live in it. The world is full, absolutely brimming with magic, and wonder, it's positively vibrating with it, and here we are lead to believe that all there is to life is death and taxes. Tragic.

[mattymoto]

I read the article about Brockbrader. I stopped reading when the article stated "there are no secret navy seals"


We all know that is a big load of walrus poo, and if you doubt my statement WakeTFU!!! I cannot say it any nicer. Tired of lies and secrets, and I will be the first to admit I'm guilty of lies and secrets- from now on I will not keep a secret, you ask I tell- no lies. I don't care about anyone's feelings anymore. Man-up or shut up.


I apologise if my words are too harsh or blunt.... I meant what I said.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47045-My-Declaration-of-War-Against-Secrecy-and-Lies......&p=516867#post516867

[songsfortheotherkind]

It seems to me that the whole point of what we're all doing here, is to get ourselves to the point where we don't necessarily need the opinions of the David Ickes, Jordan Maxwells, Bill Ryans, Drakes, etc., to come to our own conclusions about things. If this forum Bill has created is not a training ground for any who so desire to be the same type of influential individual in this world, then I don't know what it is after all.

But that's not what happens here, for the most part, unfortunately, unless learning to be incessantly attacked for one's perspective is part of the process and to deal with the vitriolic abuse that comes from offering robust discussion around a different view. What forward progress can be had with individuals who cannot fathom the 'ignore' button if there's something they don't like, rather than insisting that someone leave the forum because they have an alternative perspective that creates discomfort for some?

I'm not particularly concerned here regarding what happened to me: I've observed a steady exodus of thinkers who were prepared to offer dignified and intelligent responses to sometimes unceasing insult, while holding their perspectives autonomously. This is a training ground for what, exactly? I'm involved in some amazing projects in my physical life regarding the practice and understanding of the impact of autonomy and sui generis - spiritually, psychologically, environmentally and legally- and none of the very different individuals involved feel the need to tear another down for thinking differently. I guess it's an entirely different mind set.

I am aware that there is little to be gained by continuing to view something as achieving a goal when the initial purpose and intent has gone way off base. I would have liked to be able to say that this was a forum that I could point these individuals I'm encountering and working with to- and these are all individuals who are doing *practical, positive environmental and physical stuff*, evolving local based systems of exchange, alternative food production and housing systems and local community based solutions- and I can't recommend it to them. This to me is really unfortunate, given that the reason I came here was, in part, to find others that were interested in practical applications of new technologies and solutions, be it in any spectrum of societal expression. My partner is a top level geek who is part of a start up company that is developing tech that will allow communities and individuals incredible freedom from proprietary company strangleholds on products and services, all created through the open source community, and I did try to begin discussions about that based on the Cathedral and the Bazaar approach to autonomy based solutions, but who cared to have a discussion about the concepts when it was so much easier to deride me as an individual? Yes, I came here clearly stating certain things about my Self that seemed to bother some, and at the same time I was consistently pointing to how the perspective I was offering was based on transformation of process and platforms. I do speak a different language that in part is based on being around geeks, programmers and systems engineers- apparently having a system of communication that is based on building careful platforms of clear concepts is grounds for being accused of- and bounced for- all sorts of ridiculous crap.

That's what is tearing down so much of the 'alternative' media and discussion, in my view- and it's simply my view. I don't expect anyone else to see it that way. I just wonder where the future of 'alternative' is if, as is the case of these brilliant and practical technicians, visionaries and cultural creatives I'm having the pleasure to work with, they dismiss the 'alternative' media as a bunch of individuals who will believe anything providing there is enough exclamation marks in the headlines- as my partner says, 'is this discussion solution based or sensationalism based? Will it change anything about the way that I live my life or it is just noise?' Solution/exploration based inquiry directly leads to evolution in whatever field. It seems that very few individuals are actually able to engage in this type of exploration on a really deep level, which is unfortunate- but not unexpected.

[SEAM]

David Icke Facebook 5 hours ago:

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/68916-sarko-and-carla-fled-to-canada-hours-before-raid-on-paris-home-and-knew-police-would-come-for-them

[we-R-one]

I hold David Icke in very high regards as well, as he was instrumental in my awakening, but there are others right here on this very forum who I also see in the same light. While I happen to heartilly agree with David's sentiments, I would hope that most of us by now are beyond the point of holding famous people's opinions any higher than our own, or of the ones we've come to trust and respect in our own circles.

Maybe I'm way off base here, but let's see. It seems to me that the whole point of what we're all doing here, is to get ourselves to the point where we don't necessarily need the opinions of the David Ickes, Jordan Maxwells, Bill Ryans, Drakes, etc., to come to our own conclusions about things. If this forum Bill has created is not a training ground for any who so desire to be the same type of influential individual in this world, then I don't know what it is after all.

What I do know, is that no matter what happens, all will be well, as it always has been, and always will be.

Cheers,
Fred

I somewhat agree with what you're saying BUT, the Icke's, Wilcock's and Maxwells, do serve a purpose. I for one don't have time to delve into the "halls of science" as someone once stated as an acceptable form by which one should get their information. Additionally I don't have 20 plus years in the field like some of these guys. I work, like most people, and there's little time to investigate on my own, so these often under-appreciated mortals have served me well as I'm grateful for what they've brought to the table. It's up to me to discern whether the information is acceptable or not. I also realize that we are all spiritually growing and some of the information put forth may become outdated as new information is discovered so I give these guys some slack and don't discount their credibility if they make an error as they too are learning. At least they have the balls to step out in the forefront. It doesn't mean I'm a follower per se, or I that I can't think for myself. These guys are "us." Often their work gets sent to the slaughter house for merely bringing information out for public view, so other's can learn from their discoveries.

Are we as human beings not suppose to share what we find with eachother all for the sake of being fearful of being accused of being a guru wanna be? Should we all just shut up and keep to ourselves? I hate to say it, but if it was a no-name bringing information forward, no one would listen, even here on Avalon where we're suppose to know better than that. I don't care who puts the information out, it's never good enough, it's never the right person, blah, blah, blah....everyone here will argue till the sun doesn't shine and that's why we don't win. I'm not picking on you Fred, but rather merely making an observation in conjunction with your post.

[Kimberley]

********************

Breaking News Report, July 5, 2012: Class Action Lawsuit against Church, State and Big Pharma is given Green Light - please post (youtube to follow)
Class Action Lawsuit against Church, State and Big Pharma is given Green Light by Court
Thursday, July 5, 2012-Toronto, Canada –
History was made yesterday when a legal team headed by Jason Bowman of the ACP was granted the right to proceed with its filing of a criminal conspiracy lawsuit against the Vatican, Crown of England and other parties.

A Federal Court judge in Toronto examined the material and granted leave for the full application to be filed and presented in court next Monday, July 9.

UPDATE: Historical Application to be Filed and Served Upon the Vatican, the Queen, & Others – Court Directs Applicants in Chambers Today RE: Monday’s ex-parte Motion

http://federalclassactions.wordpress.com/2012/07/04/update-historical-application-to-be-filed-and-served-upon-the-vatican-the-queen-others-court-directs-applicants-in-chambers-today-re-mondays-ex-parte-motion/

The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State:

http://itccs.org/

*********************************************************

And related to the debate taking place on this thread ...not what I posted above... if you have not listened to this interview that Kerry did with Weidner in February 2012 I recommend it highly... and if you did listen I recommend you might want to listen again...

Jay Weidner on Project Camelot Radio with Kerry Cassidy. Recorded on February 8th, 2012.

http://www.jayweidner.com/

W9fVkqRzyZo


Much love to us all!!! :grouphug:

[gripreaper]

Maybe I'm way off base here, but let's see. It seems to me that the whole point of what we're all doing here, is to get ourselves to the point where we don't necessarily need the opinions of the David Ickes, Jordan Maxwells, Bill Ryans, Drakes, etc., to come to our own conclusions about things. If this forum Bill has created is not a training ground for any who so desire to be the same type of influential individual in this world, then I don't know what it is after all

Cheers,
Fred

I think you've hit the core energy on this one Fred. To me, the overall "shift" of this age, is to move away from victimhood and saviors, to self determination and self realization.

Sure, in Bills post he mentions giving latitude to youth as they search and figure out what's what, but I think it extends to all of mankind at this juncture. WE were taught, ALL OF US, from cradle to grave to submit our power to authority, from dis-incarnate God's, to our guardian angels, our guides, our higher selves, our priests, shamans and guru's, our school teachers, our employers and bosses, our government, our military, our our our...

Need I continue? The entire system is set up to be subservient to a control mechanism, and the idea of extricating oneself from such control and becoming a truly self determined and self realized sovereign soul on the planet, is a HUGE universal transformation which ALL OF US are going through.

So, although it is sometimes helpful to stand close to the canvas and point the finger at "Oh Hey, look at that guy and how he is still assuming a position of authority, and guess what, he's wrong!" Or: "Hey, look at that guy, he's still playing the victim and cheerleading the guru's!". It is better to stand back from the canvas and take the high road and see the global transformation for what it is, and be compassionate as we move from outside technology to the inner technology and embrace the Kundalini.

If we don't focus on what is really going on here, we might miss the opportunity. Yes, who woulda thunk that this thread would ever get to be 145 pages and close to 3000 comments, but that should tell us something. It's a part of the entire global cultural shift, an ingrained meme, a cultural phenomenon, not just a few isolated immature teenagers on both sides of the issue, or whether David Wilcock got it wrong and David Icke got it right.

I can understand the frustration which goes along with the transformation, and yes, guys like Icke and Wilcock do have a responsibility to be as integral as they possibly can, but WE ultimately need to take responsibility for our choices and how we each are going to move from victimhood to sovereignty.

If we don't get this one right (this transformation and awakening) then we stand to lose it all. So, in a sense, it is critical that we all use maximum discernment. Yes, we ALL want the same things, a tearing down of the control grid and unseating the cabal as the owners and controllers of everything. I don't think there is one soul here who would disagree on this.

The real question becomes: How do we rally around the things which unite us and focus on what brings inner technology to bear, and dismantles the control grid in every one of my thoughts and actions every single day?

[we-R-one]

Tired of lies and secrets, and I will be the first to admit I'm guilty of lies and secrets- from now on I will not keep a secret, you ask I tell, I don't care about anyone's feelings anymore. Man-up or shut up. I apologise if my words are too harsh or blunt.... I meant what I said.

Great comment to affirm my up-coming solution and you just said it here perfectly! Your observation affirms the concept of living in a holographic universe. Until you clean yourself up, the rest of the world can't. It starts with each individual. We are experiencing a reflection or mirror of how we think right back at us and that is why there's so much turmoil. And you are discovering this on your own, minus the aide of anyone! Congratulations!

[LarryC]

Speaking of David Icke, I think you should listen to his own perceptive comments on the topic of "overcoming ridicule." As he points out, the elite largely control the masses not by direct force but through the power of peer pressure and ridiculing alternative ideas. Unfortunately, Icke tends to do the same thing himself. Not just regarding Drake and Wilcock, either. His site is full of short, satirical pieces of propaganda meant to get you to laugh at somebody. I am always wary of this type of approach, as it taps into one's fear of appearing foolish. Believe or don't believe whatever you want, but don't base it on what others think!

5EQ5nS0GFVg

[SKAWF]

I will be the first to admit I'm guilty of lies and secrets- from now on I will not keep a secret,


lmao

what about the lying you f****r!!!

;)

[mattymoto]

I fixed it Skawf, now it reads a little better too. You checked me, and for that I thank you my friend.

Please see my new thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47045-My-Declaration-of-War-Against-Secrecy-and-Lies......

[we-R-one]

I wanted to reply to this, it's stirred something inside of me. I completely agree with you. I also think that it's a bit cruel that we tell our kids about these creatures, Santa, the Easter-bunny, the tooth fairy, and then rip it all away from them. I wonder sometimes if this isn't something used to program people into not believing in anything. I used to read these books about a mythical place called Xanth, it existed in another dimension, it was a magical place, you had dragons, and unicorns, and magic powers, and sorcerers and such. They knew about Earth, they called it Mundania. I think the real lie we've all been force-fed growing up is that a place such as Mundania exists, and that we live in it. The world is full, absolutely brimming with magic, and wonder, it's positively vibrating with it, and here we are lead to believe that all there is to life is death and taxes. Tragic.

I appreciate your comments. I had to laugh though as it reminded me of an event that took place when I was a little girl. My dearest friend thought he'd do me a favor by telling me the tooth fairy wasn't real, and for telling the truth his mom just about kicked the crap out of him for making me cry. It's funny now and we were just talking about it the other day how ironic that someone would get into so much trouble when all they were trying to do is tell the truth, lol.

[we-R-one]

I fixed it Skawf, now it reads a little better too. You checked me, and for that I thank you my friend.

You shouldn't have that was funny, lmao. We knew what you meant.

[RMorgan]

I appreciate your comments. I had to laugh though as it reminded me of an event that took place when I was a little girl. My dearest friend thought he'd do me a favor by telling me the tooth fairy wasn't real, and for telling the truth his mom just about kicked the crap out of him for making me cry. It's funny now and we were just talking about it the other day how ironic that someone would get into so much trouble when all they were trying to do is tell the truth, lol.

This metaphorically fits here very well.

The only difference is that, instead of spanking you for telling the truth, people call you "negative".

Now, if you ask me why someone would be labeled as negative for telling the truth, I have no idea.

It´s just like the red/blue pill from the movie Matrix.

Take one pill and you´ll continue to live in a beautiful fairy tail; take the other and you´ll see things like they really are, which most of the times isn´t a beautiful thing to see, but at least it´s the truth.

Truth, even when it hurts, is always better than lies.

Raf.

[9eagle9]

Another lawsuit filed against the cartel in courts ruled by the cartel....

..let's see.... if we do the same thing over and over we should expect a different result than the last motion filed against the cartel, in it's own court system which was never coherently heard from again.

Constitutionally speaking nothing prevents anyone from filing a motion to be heard. What happens after that is what makes history or repeats history. It's hardly history making as we have how many alleged lawsuits against the cartel filed for motion now...?



********************

Breaking News Report, July 5, 2012: Class Action Lawsuit against Church, State and Big Pharma is given Green Light - please post (youtube to follow)
Class Action Lawsuit against Church, State and Big Pharma is given Green Light by Court
Thursday, July 5, 2012-Toronto, Canada –
History was made yesterday when a legal team headed by Jason Bowman of the ACP was granted the right to proceed with its filing of a criminal conspiracy lawsuit against the Vatican, Crown of England and other parties.

A Federal Court judge in Toronto examined the material and granted leave for the full application to be filed and presented in court next Monday, July 9.

UPDATE: Historical Application to be Filed and Served Upon the Vatican, the Queen, & Others – Court Directs Applicants in Chambers Today RE: Monday’s ex-parte Motion

http://federalclassactions.wordpress.com/2012/07/04/update-historical-application-to-be-filed-and-served-upon-the-vatican-the-queen-others-court-directs-applicants-in-chambers-today-re-mondays-ex-parte-motion/

The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State:

http://itccs.org/

*********************************************************

And related to the debate taking place on this thread ...not what I posted above... if you have not listened to this interview that Kerry did with Weidner in February 2012 I recommend it highly... and if you did listen I recommend you might want to listen again...

Jay Weidner on Project Camelot Radio with Kerry Cassidy. Recorded on February 8th, 2012.

http://www.jayweidner.com/

W9fVkqRzyZo


Much love to us all!!! :grouphug:

[gripreaper]

Constitutionally speaking nothing prevents anyone from filing a motion to be heard. What happens after that is what makes history or repeats history. It's hardly history making as we have how many alleged lawsuits against the cartel filed for motion now...?

Well, it might at least bring awareness and let a few asleep people see some of how they are getting screwed.

For the rest of us, who have been paying attention, and watched the whole "farm claims" lawsuits for the last 30 years go all the way to the Supreme Court, receive a favorable ruling for the farmers, and STILL not jack friggin squat EVER was returned or restored to those farmers. Or, the whole foreclosure debacle, NOT ONE SINGLE bankster has been indicted.

And now we find out Barclay's (and all other top global banks) have been manipulating the LIBOR and clipping and skimming off each trade? Oh boy. Has anyone noticed that the court system is owned by the cabal? Has anyone looked at the BAR association, the judges oath of office, his Dunn and Bradstreet registration and the CAFR accounts and what "going into court" actually means?

Come on you guys. Until the suit is filed in a Common Law venue as prescribed by the Constitution, according to Article 28 of the USC under unites states District Court, with a jury trial who votes their conscience and IS NOT instructed by the magistrate judge, then it's the same old same old.

[edit] Ah sh!t, I was going to try and make my 1000'th post very erudite, profound, endearing, succinct, concise and compendious within the context of the paradigm shift we are all in, with copious references to the energetic shifts occurring quantum and cellular, but darn, I got carried away with the energy of this thread AGAIN!

[Unified Serenity]

I read the article about Brockbrader. I stopped reading when the article stated "there are no secret navy seals"


We all know that is a big load of walrus poo,

How do we all know that is a load of walrus poo? I have seen nothing factual to show there are secret Navy Seals, but then again you can't prove a negative. Any good charlatan knows this so they throw out something is secret that can't be proven to prove their charade. So, please show me the facts about secret Navy Seals. I do not mean black ops people or mk ultra people, but secret Navy Seals.

[we-R-one]

Constitutionally speaking nothing prevents anyone from filing a motion to be heard. What happens after that is what makes history or repeats history. It's hardly history making as we have how many alleged lawsuits against the cartel filed for motion now...?

Well, it might at least bring awareness and let a few asleep people see some of how they are getting screwed.

For the rest of us, who have been paying attention, and watched the whole "farm claims" lawsuits for the last 30 years go all the way to the Supreme Court, receive a favorable ruling for the farmers, and STILL not jack friggin squat EVER was returned or restored to those farmers. Or, the whole foreclosure debacle, NOT ONE SINGLE bankster has been indicted.

And now we find out Barclay's (and all other top global banks) have been manipulating the LIBOR and clipping and skimming off each trade? Oh boy. Has anyone noticed that the court system is owned by the cabal? Has anyone looked at the BAR association, the judges oath of office, his Dunn and Bradstreet registration and the CAFR accounts and what "going into court" actually means?

Come on you guys. Until the suit is filed in a Common Law venue as prescribed by the Constitution, according to Article 28 of the USC under unites states District Court, with a jury trial who votes their conscience and IS NOT instructed by the magistrate judge, then it's the same old same old.

[edit] Ah sh!t, I was going to try and make my 1000'th post very erudite, profound, endearing, succinct, concise and compendious within the context of the paradigm shift we are all in, with copious references to the energetic shifts occurring quantum and cellular, but darn, I got carried away with the energy of this thread AGAIN!

Yes, this is a huge problem. You don't get your day in court, that's for sure and all these lawsuits are meaningless, but rather a fascade to make people think someone is actually doing something.

[Unified Serenity]

but if it was a no-name bringing information forward, no one would listen,

Up until DW gave Drake a platform what kind of name did he have? He created an unbelievable fantastical story to get attention and once he got it he:

A. Asked for donations
B. Started sharing is views of the world and how things should be which I have seen the same from countless others on forum and articles
C. Started making predictions and the overall fruit of his work is negative

Nothing Drake has said regarding his Mass Arrests which got him into the spot light has panned out. This is becoming a very tiring saga and I wonder who the next "Freedom" giant is going to be and what their incredible story will be. It's nothing but a method of attn getting and some people leave common sense at the door and because it's what they want to hear they ridicule anyone who questions it, and when it becomes apparent the latest greatest super freedom fighter is a dunce they want everyone to forget about it and move on. Well, we've been moving on for several years now, and it's time people stop falling for this sideshow crap.

[we-R-one]

I appreciate your comments. I had to laugh though as it reminded me of an event that took place when I was a little girl. My dearest friend thought he'd do me a favor by telling me the tooth fairy wasn't real, and for telling the truth his mom just about kicked the crap out of him for making me cry. It's funny now and we were just talking about it the other day how ironic that someone would get into so much trouble when all they were trying to do is tell the truth, lol.

This metaphorically fits here very well.

The only difference is that, instead of spanking you for telling the truth, people call you "negative".

Now, if you ask me why someone would be labeled as negative for telling the truth, I have no idea.

It´s just like the red/blue pill from the movie Matrix.

Take one pill and you´ll continue to live in a beautiful fairy tail; take the other and you´ll see things like they really are, which most of the times isn´t a beautiful thing to see, but at least it´s the truth.

Truth, even when it hurts, is always better than lies.

Raf.

Truth is very difficult for people to accept. They will fight to the death about a belief even if there's proof of its falsities.

What's funny about the incident I described above is that I really don't even remember much about it and the whole point that my friend got the crap kicked out of him was for traumatizing my fairytale world. The reality is he was more traumatized by telling the truth as he recalls the "bitch slapping" moment far more clearly than I do and yet I was supposedly the one who was having fairyland come crashing down on me, lol.

[we-R-one]

but if it was a no-name bringing information forward, no one would listen,

Up until DW gave Drake a platform what kind of name did he have? He created an unbelievable fantastical story to get attention and once he got it he:

A. Asked for donations
B. Started sharing is views of the world and how things should be which I have seen the same from countless others on forum and articles
C. Started making predictions and the overall fruit of his work is negative

Nothing Drake has said regarding his Mass Arrests which got him into the spot light has panned out. This is becoming a very tiring saga and I wonder who the next "Freedom" giant is going to be and what their incredible story will be. It's nothing but a method of attn getting and some people leave common sense at the door and because it's what they want to hear they ridicule anyone who questions it, and when it becomes apparent the latest greatest super freedom fighter is a dunce they want everyone to forget about it and move on. Well, we've been moving on for several years now, and it's time people stop falling for this sideshow crap.

Yep, good 'ol boy used the "I got a secret" methodology to draw someone in who all ready had a lot of followers in order to piggyback off of his supporters.

[gripreaper]

Nothing Drake has said regarding his Mass Arrests which got him into the spot light has panned out. This is becoming a very tiring saga and I wonder who the next "Freedom" giant is going to be and what their incredible story will be. It's nothing but a method of attn getting and some people leave common sense at the door and because it's what they want to hear they ridicule anyone who questions it, and when it becomes apparent the latest greatest super freedom fighter is a dunce they want everyone to forget about it and move on. Well, we've been moving on for several years now, and it's time people stop falling for this sideshow crap.

Well US, before Drake came onto the scene, there was a disconnect between the patriot and sovereignty movements, and the alternative media. Just in the last six months have I seen these two "meld" together to some degree. The sovereign citizen's movement, as the mainstream media likes to call it (oxymoronic statement though) has been debunked and trashed by the mainstream media, in the "60 minutes" hit piece they did and other hits, such as taking out Jerry and Joe Kane.

But, the cabal needed to tie the two together and herd all of those who are miscreant and dissenting into one group, so that they could finally create an event which the mainstream media could use to fully discredit the entire movement of awakening souls and solidify their control.

Will it work this time? Let's play odds. 50% or more draw government paychecks and another 20% upper middle class want to keep their IRA's and their pensions. So, who do you think is going to be made the scapegoat on this one?

Not really rocket science.

[the_vast_mystery]

Well, it might at least bring awareness and let a few asleep people see some of how they are getting screwed.

For the rest of us, who have been paying attention, and watched the whole "farm claims" lawsuits for the last 30 years go all the way to the Supreme Court, receive a favorable ruling for the farmers, and STILL not jack friggin squat EVER was returned or restored to those farmers. Or, the whole foreclosure debacle, NOT ONE SINGLE bankster has been indicted.

And now we find out Barclay's (and all other top global banks) have been manipulating the LIBOR and clipping and skimming off each trade? Oh boy. Has anyone noticed that the court system is owned by the cabal? Has anyone looked at the BAR association, the judges oath of office, his Dunn and Bradstreet registration and the CAFR accounts and what "going into court" actually means?

Come on you guys. Until the suit is filed in a Common Law venue as prescribed by the Constitution, according to Article 28 of the USC under unites states District Court, with a jury trial who votes their conscience and IS NOT instructed by the magistrate judge, then it's the same old same old.

[edit] Ah sh!t, I was going to try and make my 1000'th post very erudite, profound, endearing, succinct, concise and compendious within the context of the paradigm shift we are all in, with copious references to the energetic shifts occurring quantum and cellular, but darn, I got carried away with the energy of this thread AGAIN!

You seem to be under the impression that you can undo this sort of damage by just rewriting the procedures of law to fit the older model. Governments are made by people and you can't just "switch" from what we have now back to a system hundreds of years old. People are conditioned to the current system and reconditioning takes quite a lot of time. It doesn't matter what sort of law the judge is supposed to rule under if there is no judge who will accept your procedures, convict under your terms, nor any police or jails willing to hold your criminals nor citizens competent to stand on a jury without siding with the corporation. Laws are written and enforced by people and if those people are hopelessly inured to the status quo then you can't expect to just change the legal framework and have them follow what you want. It just doesn't work that way, and this is why I don't really think we're going to have any victories through the courts. The only sort of court that would convict is a court no one else on the planet would listen to; and that, right there sir, is your problem. (Hell, we have International arrest warrants out for Bush, anyone want to bet when those will ever do anything? Somewhere next to never.)

First the hearts and minds of near the entire planet must be won, and it is only then that change can occur. But none of us really has the resources to wage that kind of a PR campaign, LOL.


How do we all know that is a load of walrus poo? I have seen nothing factual to show there are secret Navy Seals, but then again you can't prove a negative. Any good charlatan knows this so they throw out something is secret that can't be proven to prove their charade. So, please show me the facts about secret Navy Seals. I do not mean black ops people or mk ultra people, but secret Navy Seals.

SEAL Team 6, of course if you meant to say Brockbrader could be playing on the story of the real secret-SEAL-Team-6 to create his story of a secret SEAL Team 9 then that is certainly plausible however before you can debunk someone like that you need to understand your audience. Simply bringing up the fact that he could is not nearly enough you need to catch him in circumstances where he implicates himself as dishonest. (the same thing we did to Drake) A good way to do this would be to review his video chats and look for any circumstances where he doubles back or repeatedly attempts to redefine something he said once he receives certain questions. We can't prove a negative but if you can prove he's displaying a pattern that illicits all the signs of dishonesty then that as well as the fact that his story is one made in perfect plausible deniability would implicate he is most likely not who he said he was. But just pointing out SEAL Team 9 could be fake isn't convincing enough unless we can show Bill seems to be making certain things up on the fly.

Also might be worth looking into that Eva person he's very close with. There might just be something there you're picking up on that the rest of us aren't. That's good, but now the hard part comes in collecting the evidence to make a case against him. Of course, you don't have to, but if you want to settle the issue it's what I'd personally recommend. :)

[mattymoto]

I read the article about Brockbrader. I stopped reading when the article stated "there are no secret navy seals"


We all know that is a big load of walrus poo,

How do we all know that is a load of walrus poo? I have seen nothing factual to show there are secret Navy Seals, but then again you can't prove a negative. Any good charlatan knows this so they throw out something is secret that can't be proven to prove their charade. So, please show me the facts about secret Navy Seals. I do not mean black ops people or mk ultra people, but secret Navy Seals.

You have a good point. I spoke for we, and did so from a position of arrogance. Rethinking my statement- I feel that the assertion that there are no secret navy seals, is in fact as you said, not wholly provable either way. I would have done a better service to my thoughts and your consideration by saying this:

I feel that it is entirely possible for someone to be trained in the way any navy seal would be, yet not actually being called or labelled "navy seal." So feel free to presume that I believe there are folks that have been highly trained by popularized training programs- to be used in clandestine operations.

[bekrah]

I wanted to reply to this, it's stirred something inside of me. I completely agree with you. I also think that it's a bit cruel that we tell our kids about these creatures, Santa, the Easter-bunny, the tooth fairy, and then rip it all away from them. I wonder sometimes if this isn't something used to program people into not believing in anything. I used to read these books about a mythical place called Xanth, it existed in another dimension, it was a magical place, you had dragons, and unicorns, and magic powers, and sorcerers and such. They knew about Earth, they called it Mundania. I think the real lie we've all been force-fed growing up is that a place such as Mundania exists, and that we live in it. The world is full, absolutely brimming with magic, and wonder, it's positively vibrating with it, and here we are lead to believe that all there is to life is death and taxes. Tragic.

I appreciate your comments. I had to laugh though as it reminded me of an event that took place when I was a little girl. My dearest friend thought he'd do me a favor by telling me the tooth fairy wasn't real, and for telling the truth his mom just about kicked the crap out of him for making me cry. It's funny now and we were just talking about it the other day how ironic that someone would get into so much trouble when all they were trying to do is tell the truth, lol.

lol...I can understand how that would inspire a laugh. I think I should clarify after I re-read my initial posting though. I'm not saying that santa and the easter bunny are real. But there is so much in the world that is awe-inspiring, so much that shows us how special this place really is, and we instead feed our kids stories about a fictional dude who lives at the north pole. I think people are suffering from a spiritual sickness. We have these stories that we are told when we are kids, and then we find out none of it is true. Suddenly, for many people all that is real is materialism and consumerism. I think it would be better if we just told kids stories about things we can confirm that are equally inspiring, dreams that won't get dashed after they reach a certain age, ya know?

[gripreaper]

You seem to be under the impression that you can undo this sort of damage by just rewriting the procedures of law to fit the older model.

Not at all. I'm just suggesting, for those who still think adjudicating in the cabals tribunals is the way to go, they need to challenge jurisdiction, both venue and subject matter, as well as the judges oath of office, his Dunn and Bradstreet registration as a private contractor, and his CAFR accounts which are a conflict of interest.


Laws are written and enforced by people and if those people are hopelessly inured to the status quo then you can't expect to just change the legal framework and have them follow what you want. It just doesn't work that way, and this is why I don't really think we're going to have any victories through the courts. The only sort of court that would convict is a court no one else on the planet would listen to; and that, right there sir, is your problem. (Hell, we have International arrest warrants out for Bush, anyone want to bet when those will ever do anything? Somewhere next to never.)

Totally agree. We need a new paradigm. Look at the farm claims as an example if you want to see how well the system works now!


First the hearts and minds of near the entire planet must be won, and it is only then that change can occur.

And that my friend is what these discussions are all about, although most here at Avalon are pretty awake. the question becomes, how do we spread truth into the larger populace? Most do not want to hear it.

[we-R-one]

I wanted to reply to this, it's stirred something inside of me. I completely agree with you. I also think that it's a bit cruel that we tell our kids about these creatures, Santa, the Easter-bunny, the tooth fairy, and then rip it all away from them. I wonder sometimes if this isn't something used to program people into not believing in anything. I used to read these books about a mythical place called Xanth, it existed in another dimension, it was a magical place, you had dragons, and unicorns, and magic powers, and sorcerers and such. They knew about Earth, they called it Mundania. I think the real lie we've all been force-fed growing up is that a place such as Mundania exists, and that we live in it. The world is full, absolutely brimming with magic, and wonder, it's positively vibrating with it, and here we are lead to believe that all there is to life is death and taxes. Tragic.

I appreciate your comments. I had to laugh though as it reminded me of an event that took place when I was a little girl. My dearest friend thought he'd do me a favor by telling me the tooth fairy wasn't real, and for telling the truth his mom just about kicked the crap out of him for making me cry. It's funny now and we were just talking about it the other day how ironic that someone would get into so much trouble when all they were trying to do is tell the truth, lol.

lol...I can understand how that would inspire a laugh. I think I should clarify after I re-read my initial posting though. I'm not saying that santa and the easter bunny are real. But there is so much in the world that is awe-inspiring, so much that shows us how special this place really is, and we instead feed our kids stories about a fictional dude who lives at the north pole. I think people are suffering from a spiritual sickness. We have these stories that we are told when we are kids, and then we find out none of it is true. Suddenly, for many people all that is real is materialism and consumerism. I think it would be better if we just told kids stories about things we can confirm that are equally inspiring, dreams that won't get dashed after they reach a certain age, ya know?

awww, c'mon, not Santa too! I can live without the tooth fairy, but geez, eliminating Santa is a stretch. I hate to admit it, but Christmas is one 3D experience I will always struggle doing away with, not because of the gifts, but the fellowship that transpires from the holidays.....ok, the family arguments have their place too, cause you can laugh about them down the road. Sappy I know.....

But to your post, I agree, spirituality is lacking and there's much need for revival and many are awakening to that very point.

[9eagle9]

We should seriously here on the ground street level of perception begin to seriously take up with the notion of tribunals again to mediate for solutions instead of getting jerked around by the court system that makes you pay for a resolution that ultimately only benefits them.

Mediation rather than moderation. that is something that can really begin in one's own life.

[bekrah]

Christmas wouldn't be Christmas without family arguments... It's a time honored tradition!!!

[mattymoto]

Grip said "I'm just suggesting, for those who still think adjudicating in the cabals tribunals is the way to go, they need to challenge jurisdiction, both venue and subject matter, as well as the judges oath of office, his Dunn and Bradstreet registration as a private contractor, and his CAFR accounts which are a conflict of interest."


This, this, this.........THIS!

Good gravy, I could kiss you for saying this. Would you be my friend? :dance:

[gripreaper]

COBRA UPDATE !! WHITE KNIGHTS---THE CAVALRY IS COMING!!!!!!!!!

EXCERPTS:

There is a soul group that keeps reincarnating with the sole purpose of fighting against the Cabal and setting the planet free. Each one of us is unique and irreplaceable. There is a higher divine plan which strategically positions each of the Light warriors in a mandala that only the Source has a complete overview of. This mandala is functioning with its full power only if each one of us does his mission. So do your part!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a9QmJ2M4htQ/T_YbBpNQwQI/AAAAAAAAAN0/TGMcai4Msro/s400/Knight.jpg

Attacking and criticizing messengers such as Benjamin Fulford, Cobra, David Wilcock or Drake is not a wise strategy to help the Light forces. What the messengers do is they only relay info. They are NOT responsible for delays or missed deadlines. The plan for the planetary liberation is real and mass arrests play a vital part of this plan. No action will be taken by the Positive Military that could potentially endanger human masses, therefore they will move only when everything is ready.

http://2012portal.blogspot.com/

I know, I know, somebody has to post the updates.

[the_vast_mystery]

Here's what I don't get, why do they even still offer dates if they obviously can't keep them? These same complaints regarding "Don't criticize us for missed deadlines!" falls on deaf ears when they keep setting deadlines. When game companies got sick of this, they stopped issuing release dates all together. Why is it they'd keep putting out this sort of info of not to just keep people perpetually on the hook? They tantalize with "soon, soon" until people get sick, then issue a deadline, it passes, more "soon, soon" lather, rinse, repeat.

[SKAWF]

Here's what I don't get, why do they even still offer dates if they obviously can't keep them? These same complaints regarding "Don't criticize us for missed deadlines!" falls on deaf ears when they keep setting deadlines. When game companies got sick of this, they stopped issuing release dates all together. Why is it they'd keep putting out this sort of info of not to just keep people perpetually on the hook? They tantalize with "soon, soon" until people get sick, then issue a deadline, it passes, more "soon, soon" lather, rinse, repeat.

the thing is, game producers have one deadline and stick to it,
with the odd change every now and then....

so what do we end up with now?

games that have to be patched on the day of release because of bugs in the program
and many frustrated gamers who have been waiting for months even years for the game to come out,
only to find that it doesnt work properly (i have been there..... Skyrim anyone?)
lol
and we say, i dont mind waiting a bit longer for them to make sure its all working properly,
rather that, than ending up throwing the controller at the TV!

you cant patch something as big as this situation after its been put in motion.

[gripreaper]

What about the Stardust? Apparently the cabal is already infected and this Stardust can be activated at any time, and is planned to be activated for the "event"?

"Stardust is the codename of a special advanced nanotechnology. It is a dust made of small nanoparticles that were sprayed into the physical bodies of the members of the Cabal and their minions.This nanodust can not be removed by any technology known on Earth. Its activation has two phases. The first phase blocks the central nervous system immediately and a person can not move. The second phase kills the person. It will be activated at the time of the Event to block members of the Cabal trying to do any harm. In vast majority of cases Phase 1 activation will be sufficient."

[gripreaper]

FULFORD RESPONDS TO GREEN LIGHT ANNOUNCEMENT!!!!!!!


Hi Benjamin,

I'm wondering what your thoughts are about Drake after his recent "Green Light" announcement. Tonight on his radio show he didn't apologize for getting everyone's hopes up. He didn't even mention the fact that the "fireworks" we were supposed to sit back and enjoy turned out to be duds. Instead of the best fourth of July we've ever had I think most of us experienced a huge disappointment. Anyone who even mentioned that there would be mass arrests before July 4th lost their credibility. Anyone with common sense is now questioning how organized this whole movement is. There have been two announcements of mass arrests by Drake which didn't happen. You and David Wilcock both verified that Drake is a part of the same movement you are.

If this group of "white hats" is so poorly organized that they can't even make an announcement at the right time for the mass arrests how are we supposed to believe the "white hats" are going to take down the biggest criminal organization in the history of humanity?
Best wishes,
J

My sources tell me Drake is connected to the military and is allowed to say things within limits. However, the White Dragon Society has never put out deadlines. Many people have given me dates that come and go without the predicted events happening so I have stopped publishing any such announcements.

However, it is very obvious from watching world news that the cabal is falling apart. Take a few examples: the Libor scandal, the Rico lawsuit filed against George Soros and Donald Trump, the Fast and Furious investigation against Eric Holder, the sudden stop to the C02 "global warming," campaign, the promise by the BRICS 150 nation alliance to offer $500 billion for the poorest people in the world and for the environment, etc. etc.
The fall of the Soviet Union and the communist bloc in Europe seemed to take forever when it was happening but in retrospect it was really quick. The collapse of the cabal is a mathematical certainty and it is going on every day and becoming more and more obvious to all.

The important thing is to ignore their fear mongering and make sure they do not trick us into World War 3.

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/2012/07/subject-drakes-green-light-announcement.html

[Unified Serenity]

The Soviet Union never fell! They regrouped and got more votes at the UN! That would be like America falling apart so each State becomes it's own country and we each get one vote at the UN when in fact we are all still tied together. The Soviets have been amassing a huge military in their downfall, and is a force reckoned with.

[gripreaper]

The Soviet Union never fell! They regrouped and got more votes at the UN! That would be like America falling apart so each State becomes it's own country and we each get one vote at the UN when in fact we are all still tied together. The Soviets have been amassing a huge military in their downfall, and is a force reckoned with.

Geez Unified Serenity, why do you always keep bringing the truth all the time and spoiling all the fun?

http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h398/Justutesx/gus.gif

[Unified Serenity]

Ooops, sorry bout that :p

[turiya]

The important thing is to ignore their fear mongering...

Well, here's something you really can't ignore...

http://curezone.com/upload/Members/Newport/Wall_Street_Cartoon.jpg


FULFORD RESPONDS TO GREEN LIGHT ANNOUNCEMENT!!!!!!!
Hi Benjamin,

I'm wondering what your thoughts are about Drake after his recent "Green Light" announcement. Tonight on his radio show he didn't apologize for getting everyone's hopes up. He didn't even mention the fact that the "fireworks" we were supposed to sit back and enjoy turned out to be duds. Instead of the best fourth of July we've ever had I think most of us experienced a huge disappointment. Anyone who even mentioned that there would be mass arrests before July 4th lost their credibility. Anyone with common sense is now questioning how organized this whole movement is. There have been two announcements of mass arrests by Drake which didn't happen. You and David Wilcock both verified that Drake is a part of the same movement you are.

If this group of "white hats" is so poorly organized that they can't even make an announcement at the right time for the mass arrests how are we supposed to believe the "white hats" are going to take down the biggest criminal organization in the history of humanity?
Best wishes,
J

My sources tell me Drake is connected to the military and is allowed to say things within limits. However, the White Dragon Society has never put out deadlines. Many people have given me dates that come and go without the predicted events happening so I have stopped publishing any such announcements.

However, it is very obvious from watching world news that the cabal is falling apart. Take a few examples: the Libor scandal, the Rico lawsuit filed against George Soros and Donald Trump, the Fast and Furious investigation against Eric Holder, the sudden stop to the C02 "global warming," campaign, the promise by the BRICS 150 nation alliance to offer $500 billion for the poorest people in the world and for the environment, etc. etc.
The fall of the Soviet Union and the communist bloc in Europe seemed to take forever when it was happening but in retrospect it was really quick. The collapse of the cabal is a mathematical certainty and it is going on every day and becoming more and more obvious to all.

The important thing is to ignore their fear mongering and make sure they do not trick us into World War 3.

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/2012/07/subject-drakes-green-light-announcement.html

[gripreaper]

Ever seen the Hitler parodies from the movie "Downfall"? This Hitler Parody is hilarious and sad at the same time.


http://meemsy.com/v/2650

[Kimberley]

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Just got a reply from David (Icke) that was highly entertaining -- and also laser-sharp in its perception. He's a very good man, and I hold him in the highest regard.

I've asked for his okay to post it -- suggesting that he might want to tone it down a little for pubic consumption(!).

**************

And so I /we are waiting with baited breath...what was the reply???? plz , plz pretty plz do share with us when you can dear brother Bill!!!!

So many of the nay Sayers and pro Sayers are awaiting your guidance... however I am not .....Just asking for those that look to outside guidance...such as you Bill. I am asking that we/you go within and not rely on outside gurus or guidance...trust YOU not anyone else!!!

I suggest that we transcend out side guidance and go with-in and trust our own inner guidance...not Bills or any one other/s than yourself... I have no gurus or leaders outside myself... although I witness so many that rely on Bill Ryan's guidance or other out side guidance... I want to remind us that your best path is to go within and not listen to anyone other than yourself!!!!!

Much love us as all... plz remember that you are unique and your remembering of your uniqueness is the key to your inner power... please remember that!!! Please wake up to that!!



:grouphug:

[SKAWF]

you make a good point about not needing to look outside of ourselves for guidance..

[mgray]

While I do not believe in mass arrests by "White Hats" freeing us from the banksters, I do know that the LIBOR scandal breaking in the UK will result in criminal arrests and prison time for bankers at some of the largest banks in the world.
LIBOR or London InterBank Overnight Repo is a very esoteric concept, yet it has impact in over $300 trillion in financial instruments from mortgages and student loans to credit cards.
The fact that possible eight bankers from JPMorgan Chase, CitiGroup, UBS, Barclays, and a few others can collude to move the interest rate a few basis points in order to charge more for lending is only confirming that the game is fixed.
While the Chairman and CEO of Barclays have resigned, the bank was just the first to admit to the price fixing. Other firms will not be so quick to come out ahead of the investigation's release given the reaction to Barclays.
Look for this information to come out piecemeal from other banks involved as it is required to be made public by the firm's charter as a public company.
But that information will probably be released on a Friday afternoon in the US so as to mitigate its effect on stock price and news coverage.

[truth4me]

You seem to be under the impression that you can undo this sort of damage by just rewriting the procedures of law to fit the older model.

Not at all. I'm just suggesting, for those who still think adjudicating in the cabals tribunals is the way to go, they need to challenge jurisdiction, both venue and subject matter, as well as the judges oath of office, his Dunn and Bradstreet registration as a private contractor, and his CAFR accounts which are a conflict of interest.


Laws are written and enforced by people and if those people are hopelessly inured to the status quo then you can't expect to just change the legal framework and have them follow what you want. It just doesn't work that way, and this is why I don't really think we're going to have any victories through the courts. The only sort of court that would convict is a court no one else on the planet would listen to; and that, right there sir, is your problem. (Hell, we have International arrest warrants out for Bush, anyone want to bet when those will ever do anything? Somewhere next to never.)

Totally agree. We need a new paradigm. Look at the farm claims as an example if you want to see how well the system works now!


First the hearts and minds of near the entire planet must be won, and it is only then that change can occur.

And that my friend is what these discussions are all about, although most here at Avalon are pretty awake. the question becomes, how do we spread truth into the larger populace? Most do not want to hear it.
Your right.The larger populace does not want to here. So IMO we whom are awake live the truth. Our actions can change people. No we won't change everybody but changing one is a victory in itself.

[Maunagarjana]

Here's what I don't get, why do they even still offer dates if they obviously can't keep them? These same complaints regarding "Don't criticize us for missed deadlines!" falls on deaf ears when they keep setting deadlines. When game companies got sick of this, they stopped issuing release dates all together. Why is it they'd keep putting out this sort of info of not to just keep people perpetually on the hook? They tantalize with "soon, soon" until people get sick, then issue a deadline, it passes, more "soon, soon" lather, rinse, repeat.

It seems to me that people want to interpret what Drake said in the most rigid way possible.

No "deadline" was set to be missed. A red light would be a deadline.

A green light would be the opposite of a deadline. A beginning. You know...."let the games begin" sort of thing.

[9eagle9]

Oh yes blame the observer.

[mattymoto]

The Soviet Union never fell! They regrouped and got more votes at the UN! That would be like America falling apart so each State becomes it's own country and we each get one vote at the UN when in fact we are all still tied together. The Soviets have been amassing a huge military in their downfall, and is a force reckoned with.

I agree. IMO the fall of the Soviet Union, although some may disagree, was a horse and pony show. Just like the fall of the Roman Empire or the defeat of the Nazi regime. I feel that each one of these events was instigated and carried-out as a "let's please the masses before they have the chance to see who we are and what we're responsible for" (they know this would be their demise) and all the while these events were being used by the cabal to retreat, rethink, reseat, and reformulate their mode of control.

I feel that each state/province should be considered it's own country, and also have representation at the UN.

(I would really rather dismantle the UN as it is now- we then could formulate a better world union)

[mattymoto]

The Soviet Union never fell! They regrouped and got more votes at the UN! That would be like America falling apart so each State becomes it's own country and we each get one vote at the UN when in fact we are all still tied together. The Soviets have been amassing a huge military in their downfall, and is a force reckoned with.

Geez Unified Serenity, why do you always keep bringing the truth all the time and spoiling all the fun?

http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h398/Justutesx/gus.gif


I can feel the sting of truth too. It's sometimes hard to listen to. There are also revelations that are hard to watch. No need to apologize US, these things truly need to be said.

As soon as we all can take these "blows to the chin" (accepting painful truth) we can move on and buy each other drinks and laugh about it. We are all in this. Let's get to getting, and get this over with. I have an everlasting glory to get to.

[9eagle9]

I did note further upthread about the <deleted>, and how the teachers students are more often the ones who frame them in the poorest light and some general remarks about how we demean ourselves.

<deleted>

Mod Edit: Removed offensive wording



-------

Just got a reply from David (Icke) that was highly entertaining -- and also laser-sharp in its perception. He's a very good man, and I hold him in the highest regard.

I've asked for his okay to post it -- suggesting that he might want to tone it down a little for pubic consumption(!).

**************

And so I /we are waiting with baited breath...what was the reply???? plz , plz pretty plz do share with us when you can dear brother Bill!!!!

So many of the nay Sayers and pro Sayers are awaiting your guidance... however I am not .....Just asking for those that look to outside guidance...such as you Bill. I am asking that we/you go within and not rely on outside gurus or guidance...trust YOU not anyone else!!!

I suggest that we transcend out side guidance and go with-in and trust our own inner guidance...not Bills or any one other/s than yourself... I have no gurus or leaders outside myself... although I witness so many that rely on Bill Ryan's guidance or other out side guidance... I want to remind us that your best path is to go within and not listen to anyone other than yourself!!!!!

Much love us as all... plz remember that you are unique and your remembering of your uniqueness is the key to your inner power... please remember that!!! Please wake up to that!!



:grouphug:

[the_vast_mystery]

It seems to me that people want to interpret what Drake said in the most rigid way possible.

No "deadline" was set to be missed. A red light would be a deadline.

A green light would be the opposite of a deadline. A beginning. You know...."let the games begin" sort of thing.

Then Drake is shirking his responsibility as PR for not immediately addressing and correcting misconceptions. Look at the White House Press Corps, I know I know gubbmint' evil and all, but still. How they conduct themselves is a model of good PR. People ask questions, things are explained, clarified, and constantly hashed out so there can be no question as to what was meant by something said. Obviously they do this for more nefarious purposes but it does serve as the perfect example of the process of conducting good PR. Allowing your target audience to run wild on speculation is not something any good PR spokesman does and if this is his "job" for the resistance then he is obviously not doing his due dilligence on it if he can't figure these things out and address them.

It goes back to the factual inconsistencies with the legal documentation he came out with on Day 1. It is simply inexcusable for him to not only make those errors, but ignore them when pointed out by others and refuse to clarify the statement or admit there was an error. It is extremely unprofessional and unbecoming of someone claiming to be seriously interested in this sort of thing. Yes, I put that kind of responsibility on him because in this "Real world" those are the sorts of responsibilities expected of any PR spokesperson representing a brand or a legitimate good cause.

edit:

the thing is, game producers have one deadline and stick to it,
with the odd change every now and then....

so what do we end up with now?

games that have to be patched on the day of release because of bugs in the program
and many frustrated gamers who have been waiting for months even years for the game to come out,
only to find that it doesnt work properly (i have been there..... Skyrim anyone?)
lol
and we say, i dont mind waiting a bit longer for them to make sure its all working properly,
rather that, than ending up throwing the controller at the TV!

you cant patch something as big as this situation after its been put in motion.

Actually the major players (former 3D Realms, Blizzard, Id Software, Bethesda, etc.) used to consistently have problems with release dates on their major titles because they'd run into a lot of unpredictable issues during development or QA that required significant reworking. These were all respectable companies that had a history of quality software but the fans were getting sick of being jerked around with dates.

They all moved to say "When it's done!" and did that for quite a while until they finally got a handle on when they could accurately project their release dates. The end result is now the fans are happy (they're not being jerked around) and the developers are happy (they have as much time as needed to polish their titles to perfection.) So it seems rather silly if they're so often having their dates being compromised by events beyond their control that they would even hint that they could predict when the end or a "green light" would occur.

If they cared, they'd adopt the "When it's Done!" strategy and inform us the moment they were about to hit the streets. The "Green Light" we got was supposedly just that and now no deployments. Is it not perhaps obvious now why such things are viewed with suspicion? When a series of game software companies can plan a more competent media release strategy then a supposed coordinated global military/police effort that's been "in the works" since the 70s?

[Avocadess]

Today: DRAKE reports today that "the Pentagon wants this information to go viral":

http://americannationalmilitia.com/w...-WANTS.....pdf

or (same link made into a short url):

http://alturl.com/wf89i

Wishing you the best day EVER..!!

Avocadess

[Avocadess]

One more message from DRAKE today:

Notice to the World was delivered to the Office of Private International Law at the Hague:

http://americannationalmilitia.com/w...-the-world.pdf

[Unified Serenity]

The url http://americannationalmilitia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/146-THE-PENTAGON-WANTS.....pdf

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC. incorporated on 4/19/1989 as a non-profit religious corporation and agent name is THE COMPANY CORPORATION.

There is a whole list of United States of America corporations. One is even closed. You can do your own search here: https://delecorp.delaware.gov/tin/GINameSearch.jsp

Then there is this one THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC. Incorporated on 04/14/2008 as a General corporation. Agent name SPIEGEL & UTRERA, P.A.

Here is the info on the closed one:

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CORPORATION Incorporation date 01/16/1984 closed agent info THE COMPANY CORPORATION. I thought the change Act of 1871 had something to do with incorporation. So, where are those documents. Seems odd to show the incorporation of our govenment in the recent past.

I am not going to let this go. I think the truth is that they changed the Constitution of our great country in 1871, and there is documentation from back when it was incorporated. If you have a valid source, please post it or point me in the right direction.

Thank you

[Sabrina]

Today: DRAKE reports today that "the Pentagon wants this information to go viral":

http://americannationalmilitia.com/w...-WANTS.....pdf

or (same link made into a short url):

http://alturl.com/wf89i

Wishing you the best day EVER..!!

Avocadess

Would be interested to know what's the reaction when and if this is read by none 'conspiracy nut cases' (unlike ourselves) Avodadess, if and when it gets a good airing on internet your side of the pond. And does the power of intent come into play here? :)

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Are we now witnessing the Doppler effect as the predicted events & the predicted days have come & gone & not just by days, but now by months?

Just what is wrong with this picture people?

[sdv]

One more message from DRAKE today:

Notice to the World was delivered to the Office of Private International Law at the Hague:

http://americannationalmilitia.com/w...-the-world.pdf

Please folks, this is just silly. The Organisation is called the Hague Conference on Private International Law and its purpose is to to resolve disputes about divorce, adoption, and so on, on an international level. (If you are American and get married in Australia and then get divorced when one of you is resident in America and the other in England, which law applies? If you get divorced in America and then go and live in Australia, will the Australian government enforce maintenance obligations?)

Real change is happening, and there is evidence of this all over this forum, at every level. This Drake stuff is storytelling and not change (and nor does it help anyone in any way at all).

[9eagle9]

It IS silly all of it. And what sort of message are we putting out there to the universe. I am beyond eye rolling humor now and verging on the threshold of disgust and offense . This is how the ptb behaves, granted in a less childish way. Eventually one arrives at the realization of NO WONDER the ptb had to manage us! Granted the world is not in a very good place right now but it wouldn't be in any better place with the emotionally arrested caroming about conducting world affairs like this. And that is what we are being promised here. A bunch of emotionally arrested people wanting to play a hand in conducting the world's affairs.

The message we are sending is that we are collectively ignorant, desiring of stupid immature stories, instead of reflective serious work, let alone cutting edge work.

We tell the universe we can't manage ourselves and therefore we will continue to be managed.




One more message from DRAKE today:

Notice to the World was delivered to the Office of Private International Law at the Hague:

http://americannationalmilitia.com/w...-the-world.pdf

Please folks, this is just silly. The Organisation is called the Hague Conference on Private International Law and its purpose is to to resolve disputes about divorce, adoption, and so on, on an international level. (If you are American and get married in Australia and then get divorced when one of you is resident in America and the other in England, which law applies? If you get divorced in America and then go and live in Australia, will the Australian government enforce maintenance obligations?)

Real change is happening, and there is evidence of this all over this forum, at every level. This Drake stuff is storytelling and not change (and nor does it help anyone in any way at all).

[indigopete]

A more likely reason for the existence of the whole "mass arrests" rumour is to partially neutralise any resistance to a large military presence if it ever arrives. i.e. that this rumour has been created by the very cabal who Drake claims he opposes.

Recognise the programming ? OBJECTIVE = Get people to ASK for military intervention in civilian affairs and welcome it when it arrives. Get them to welcome an agenda over which they have no control (Avocadess has already done this herself and proposes that everyone else do the same - give away our power instead of manifesting it).

Although Avocadess seems a nice person, I don't think she should be promoting propaganda when she isn't sure of the real agenda behind it. If Drake says the agenda is to "save us from corruption" then I think that the only thing we can be sure of is that that is what it isn't.

This whole subject should be left well alone from now on by anyone with a genuine interest in geopolitical healing.

[sdv]

Can I just add that I am willing to accept that these documents are real and that they have indeed been sent to and accepted by the Hague Conference of International Law, but what has come of this or will ever come of this, and have the people of the USA supported these documents (a national vote of support would be acceptable).

Once again, I ask that this thread be moved to the category of channeled and controversial (?) content, as a verification that we accept that all opinions can be heard on this forum, but that we have the discernment to separate that which is real, verifiable and makes a difference, and that which is storytelling that is of value as storytelling and not anything else.

Your analysis of this silliness seems very wise to me 9eagle9!

[Unified Serenity]

I think all of this has the effect of demoralizing people, and no matter the facts presented, those who want to believe will do so until it's painfully obvious what the truth is:

qlpODYhnPEo

[SilentFeathers]

Your analysis of this silliness seems very wise to me 9eagle9!

"Ridiculous" sounds like a better word to use than silly to me.

I find it beyond bizarre that there is any one actually still believing any of this.......re-runs of the Brady Bunch seem to have more truth than this stuff does! sheesh!

[9eagle9]

Very adept programming analysis.

And yes "nice' doesn't mean overly gifted in identifying programs. Ones own nice programs and their emotional attachment to the 'feel good' story wouldn't allow them to call it BS in the first place.

People who step up to capably begin to care take world affairs are probably not going to be universally re-known as nice.

And for my part, its less the ptb I want to give a kick in to the arse to but people who distract themselves with programming without and deign to participate in what is actually occurring beneath our noses.


A more likely reason for the existence of the whole "mass arrests" rumour is to partially neutralise any resistance to a large military presence if it ever arrives. i.e. that this rumour has been created by the very cabal who Drake claims he opposes.

Recognise the programming ? OBJECTIVE = Get people to ASK for military intervention in civilian affairs and welcome it when it arrives. Get them to welcome an agenda over which they have no control (Avocadess has already done this herself and proposes that everyone else do the same - give away our power instead of manifesting it).

Although Avocadess seems a nice person, I don't think she should be promoting propaganda when she isn't sure of the real agenda behind it. If Drake says the agenda is to "save us from corruption" then I think that the only thing we can be sure of is that that is what it isn't.

This whole subject should be left well alone from now on by anyone with a genuine interest in geopolitical healing.

[gripreaper]

The problem might be that you're not reading all of the Cobra updates to keep you up to speed, so you are losing hope. Did you know the "event" is like a sandwich? Didn't think so. Here is an excerpt:

The Cobra is a code name for “Compression Breakthrough.” It is like the surface of this planet is like inside of a sandwich. There is a pressure of Light coming from above, from the Positive ET races and there is another pressure of light coming from below, from The Resistance Movement. And the pressure and the surface of the planet itself is under strong pressure from the Light, from above and below. And when this pressure get’s strong enough, the breakthrough will happen on the surface of the planet. And this is called The Event. And this Event includes the mass arrests but is not limited to that. It is actually the movement of breakthrough for humanity. So we can finally begin to create our own destiny on this planet, without the oppression, without the control of those who were never actually invited here.

http://galacticconnection.com/cobra-interview-transcript-from-july-3-2012

So, you probably didn't know you were being pressured inside a sandwich, with the good ET's on top and the resistance movement below, although Cobra does not explain what resistance comes from below, or if this is some kind of underworld. That's just a detail though I'm sure.

The salient point, is that "the Event" cannot happen until you get your mind right. It's your fault as well as mine for being so negative, that the event hasn't happened yet. I mean, why would anyone question Stardust killing the elite by rendering their nervous systems immobile and paralyzing them? Can't I trust the good ET's to kill and remove the bad guys on earth? I mean after all, they have assured us they have killed and gotten rid of all the bad ET's in cosmic wars and conflicts and now the heavens are free and clear of any of the bad ET stuff.

So, if the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the largest military force on the planet want to work with an old veteran corporal from 40 years ago who has been involved in the sovereign citizen's movements and patriot movements, has no tactical experience, practiced with The Order of the Dragon and likes Lady Dragon, the self proclaimed famous video game purveyor, who am I to question?

I mean, with about 1% of the population who is even aware of the whole Drake scenario, who am I to question if the elite are playing those 1% and conditioning them for acceptance of military on our streets when the Constitution STRICTLY goes against ANY military interacting with civilians? These are "good military", right?

And the Declarations and documents and Notices supposedly sent to the world court having the force and effect of the largest military on the planet, owned by the cabal, going against the cabal? Why would anyone question that? I mean, all of the supposed secret leaders were gathered at Bilderberger a couple weeks ago, and they could have gone in and arrested them all in one fell swoop, but no, why not?

Probably because I'm so negative and am not doing my part to be a good piece of meat in "The Event" sandwich.

[Zencat]

I guess we don't have to wait for Bill Ryan to post David Icke's response back to him ..... I just wish Icke would tell us what he REALLY thinks! :)

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/68992-this-is-what-was-said-months-ago-about-what-was-to-happen-in-april-it-is-now-july-and-yet-another-deadline-passes

[9eagle9]

I'm familiar with compression energy concepts. The problem is the resistance movement seems more dense (literally) than light.

[Bill Ryan]

I guess we don't have to wait for Bill Ryan to post David Icke's response back to him ..... I just wish Icke would tell us what he REALLY thinks! :)

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/68992-this-is-what-was-said-months-ago-about-what-was-to-happen-in-april-it-is-now-july-and-yet-another-deadline-passes

1) David Icke posted my comment here:

http://davidicke.com/headlines/68958-whos-ears-are-burning (http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/68958-whos-ears-are-burning)

2) Meanwhile, David Wilcock's moderators did not allow it to be posted on Divinecosmos.com (http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1062-green-light). I guess it was considered "toxic". (Not so, and nor was its intention. It was a truth that needed to be stated.)

3) Here's a copy-and-paste of David's new piece. (Enjoy...)








This is what was said months ago about what was to happen in April. It is now July and yet another 'deadline' passes

Saturday, 07 July 2012 10:34

The latest anonymous 'Drake' deadline of July 4th for 'mass arrests of the elite' has now passed just like all the others.

Okay, what to know: it's all bollocks.

What to do: ignore this ****.

What not to do: take this **** seriously.

(Is that how you spell imminent?)

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/July20122/1.png

First we must cleanse? What do we do? Have a bath?

http://projectavalon.net/duck_in_bath.jpg

David Wilcock, the blogger and radio host who has been promoting this 'Drake' crap for months (and sooooo much other crap over the years), is now retreating faster than the Dunkirk evacuation and trying to distance himself from what he more than anyone has publicly circulated. The man who told us in 2008 that Obama had been 'sent' to help humanity and was not controlled by the 'power elite' is also apparently having 'negative comments' to his blog banned so that only the sychophants are allowed to have their say.





'I decided to "quarantine" the toxic emails. Roughly since the time I arrived in the Netherlands, I am no longer reading hateful/critical comments. Not even one. Everything is now being filtered by the moderators before I ever get a look at it.'

What a wonderful blow for freedom of expression.

The modus operandi is this: circulate bollocks and when it proves to be bollocks ignore the first bollocks and announce your latest bollocks. Forget my last bollocks, here's some new bollocks, and on it goes month after month, year after year. If you have a short memory they get away with it (just like the Control System does), but if you have a long memory they are an open book.

It's all a scam - it always was

Read more ... (http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1062-green-light)

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I found this dictionary definition of duck, as in Drake: 'Informal. person; individual: He's the queer old duck with the knee-length gaiters and walrus mustache'. No, I don't know what it means either, but its bizarreness seems to fit the moment.

Hold the front page ... breaking news ...

Drake speaks ...

http://projectavalon.net/ducks_and_drakes.jpg

'We're going to arrest those critters ...'

'When, Mr Drake, sir?'

'In March, er, April, er, May, er, June, er, July 4th ... er ... when there's an 'r' in the month ... er, when the year multiplied by 50,000 equals 13.'

'But that will never happen, Mr Drake.'

'Ahhh, you're getting the picture - now keep walking ... I'm on the radio in ten minutes to give Wilcock my new deadline.'

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/July20122/4.jpg

Read more ...
(http://sovereignty-press.net/news/2012/03/31/alert-mass-arrests-of-illuminati-politicians-in-april-2012/)
See also ... Imminent mass arrests, March 2012:

Definition of 'imminent': 'Close in time; about to occur'.

Read more ... (http://buddyhuggins.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/imminent-mass-arrests.html)

[Unified Serenity]

So, Bill, we have had David Wilcock foist two complete fantasy creators upon us. I am curious if you will be doing any projects or videos with him in the future? It seems to me he inserted himself into the work you and Kerry were doing, and started appearing in video after video for no real reason other than to be there. This aided to his popularity, and now he is showing his true lack of discernment and willingness to use people to gain attention no matter real facts.

[gripreaper]

So, Bill, we have had David Wilcock foist two complete fantasy creators upon us. I am curious if you will be doing any projects or videos with him in the future? It seems to me he inserted himself into the work you and Kerry were doing, and started appearing in video after video for no real reason other than to be there. This aided to his popularity, and now he is showing his true lack of discernment and willingness to use people to gain attention no matter real facts.

The earlier marketing techniques developed by Madison Avenue and Edward Bernay's, gorilla marketing as such, has been keenly cloaked in the digital age of the internet. Those who were schooled and exposed to the earliest studies on how to influence people and how to sell them stuff, seems to have taken a turn and many of the parameters have been summarily changed and the context from which information flows through the internet and how it is vetted and absorbed has not been extensively studied as far as I know.

From my vantage point, being in my 60th year this year, I find a rather curious disconnect between today's studies and those previous, in that empiricism and critical left brain thinking is now melded into a menagerie of subjective right brain intuitiveness, and this construct has not yet evolved to a place which holds any consistency or a relative context from which to dialogue on the internet.

In other words, the internet is still a "free for all" and is still in it's infancy, and those who have learned how to use and profit from this medium still create polarized dogmas and are attempting to use this medium within the context of a divisive paradigm, while at the same time trying to bring forth some type of unity.

Since the internet and the balance of the right brain divine feminine are emerging at the same time, has anyone actually done a study on the effects of the internet similar to the type of studies Bernays did 100 years ago?

[SKAWF]

I think all of this has the effect of demoralizing people, and no matter the facts presented, those who want to believe will do so until it's painfully obvious what the truth is:


i dont see that as a negative

it has the inevitability, that even the most gullible will eventually realize the truth.

[Cartomancer]

Dang, I'm almost starting to feel sorry of the guy. No wonder he scampered off to Norway or where ever. This guy has dropped the ball in a big way and I seriously doubt if he is going to be able to recover from this in the alternative media. Its a shame. He is a bright guy who, unfortunately, went to far out on a limb this time. If he had approached all of this as a journalist investigating the possibilities then he likely would have been o.k. There is just too much stating things as a fact that are nothing more than theories. I wish him well.

[Limor Wolf]

So, Bill, we have had David Wilcock foist two complete fantasy creators upon us. I am curious if you will be doing any projects or videos with him in the future? It seems to me he inserted himself into the work you and Kerry were doing, and started appearing in video after video for no real reason other than to be there. This aided to his popularity, and now he is showing his true lack of discernment and willingness to use people to gain attention no matter real facts.

David Wilcok is diverting his audience from real and true information, there is no doubt about that. athough, we have to keep in mind, that it's always the people's choice to digest the given information, to give time and discerment to the value of the the witnesses etc. and to sort the chaff from the wheat. it is no one's responsibility but that of the individual. Unified Serenity, about Wilcok and his past time with Camelot, it didn't have to develop this way. David is not an uninteligent person, he had some incredible experiences throughout his life. his gift of 'knowing' is now being proved again and again to be 'off- key' for the last few years, but the main problem lays in his inability to 'take a break' and think things through...and this is being said in an understatment. I think David wilcok is a wonderer, who owns a real desire to help the world, but without a very well needed self exemination and a bit of self criticism, there is no real benefit to anything he currently delivers. unfortunetly, he actually achieves the opposite of what he is so openly wishes for, by diverting those who listen to him and by not pausing to put his own house in order...

I applaud Bill for his consistency and desire to remove beams from between people's eyes while needing to 'walk between the raindrops' in order to not hurt anyone's feelings. but it takes important time and energy that could have been much more beneficial if it was put somewhere else. The wisest things for those of us who are awake to do right now, and it takes a different curve from the beggining days of Camelot while we recieved some incredible, eye opening information, is that we now KNOW. the diagnosis is clear and we need the cure before the patient risks dying. we may want to start and work ourselves towords OUR OWN GOAL, to vision, to plan, to change what is needed a change in our lives, to concentrate on building something new. to have our own vision and our own 'agenda'. to keep it infront of us 24/7 and to not settle for anything else than being our own free sovereign beings, and to alert others to the same cause. I think that the period of clinging to whistleblowers every word for information is almost over (alas, there is still some important insiders information that needs to get out in some areas that are shrouded in fog), but our learning period (of the 'earth challenge') is mostly over for most Avalon members, and an Implementing period is now needed while we gain the momentum. good luck to us, we need it, but it IS within our capabilities, if we only pay attention to the road and to the destination.

[9eagle9]

I ceased feeling sorry or tolerance for him long ago, I'd pull his dress over his head and push him into a puddle.

Being he is not a person to be taken seriously, more serious measures aren't needed.


Dang, I'm almost starting to feel sorry of the guy. No wonder he scampered off to Norway or where ever. This guy has dropped the ball in a big way and I seriously doubt if he is going to be able to recover from this in the alternative media. Its a shame. He is a bright guy who, unfortunately, went to far out on a limb this time. If he had approached all of this as a journalist investigating the possibilities then he likely would have been o.k. There is just too much stating things as a fact that are nothing more than theories. I wish him well.

[foreverfan]

Well... just maybe Wilcock will have the last laugh. Icke is a Brit... he doesn't have the inside scoop in America, so what would you expect from him? I could line you up hundreds of people that think he's a nut job. The problem is... those same people would think Wilcock is a nut job too. LOL

Time will tell... It's just like a soap opera... "As the Stomach Turns... So Are the Days of Our Lives".

http://uphillwriting.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/as-the-stomach-turns.jpg

[9eagle9]

That's not how you spell martial law either for the record...

PER SAY!!!

(Who is Marshall anyway?)



I guess we don't have to wait for Bill Ryan to post David Icke's response back to him ..... I just wish Icke would tell us what he REALLY thinks! :)

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/68992-this-is-what-was-said-months-ago-about-what-was-to-happen-in-april-it-is-now-july-and-yet-another-deadline-passes

1) David Icke posted my comment here:

http://davidicke.com/headlines/68958-whos-ears-are-burning (http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/68958-whos-ears-are-burning)

2) Meanwhile, David Wilcock's moderators did not allow it to be posted on Divinecosmos.com (http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1062-green-light). I guess it was considered "toxic". (Not so, and nor was its intention. It was a truth that needed to be stated.)

3) Here's a copy-and-paste of David's new piece. (Enjoy...)








This is what was said months ago about what was to happen in April. It is now July and yet another 'deadline' passes

Saturday, 07 July 2012 10:34

The latest anonymous 'Drake' deadline of July 4th for 'mass arrests of the elite' has now passed just like all the others.

Okay, what to know: it's all bollocks.

What to do: ignore this ****.

What not to do: take this **** seriously.

(Is that how you spell imminent?)

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/July20122/1.png

First we must cleanse? What do we do? Have a bath?

http://projectavalon.net/duck_in_bath.jpg

David Wilcock, the blogger and radio host who has been promoting this 'Drake' crap for months (and sooooo much other crap over the years), is now retreating faster than the Dunkirk evacuation and trying to distance himself from what he more than anyone has publicly circulated. The man who told us in 2008 that Obama had been 'sent' to help humanity and was not controlled by the 'power elite' is also apparently having 'negative comments' to his blog banned so that only the sychophants are allowed to have their say.





'I decided to "quarantine" the toxic emails. Roughly since the time I arrived in the Netherlands, I am no longer reading hateful/critical comments. Not even one. Everything is now being filtered by the moderators before I ever get a look at it.'

What a wonderful blow for freedom of expression.

The modus operandi is this: circulate bollocks and when it proves to be bollocks ignore the first bollocks and announce your latest bollocks. Forget my last bollocks, here's some new bollocks, and on it goes month after month, year after year. If you have a short memory they get away with it (just like the Control System does), but if you have a long memory they are an open book.

It's all a scam - it always was

Read more ... (http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1062-green-light)

------------------------------------------------------------

I found this dictionary definition of duck, as in Drake: 'Informal. person; individual: He's the queer old duck with the knee-length gaiters and walrus mustache'. No, I don't know what it means either, but its bizarreness seems to fit the moment.

Hold the front page ... breaking news ...

Drake speaks ...

http://projectavalon.net/ducks_and_drakes.jpg

'We're going to arrest those critters ...'

'When, Mr Drake, sir?'

'In March, er, April, er, May, er, June, er, July 4th ... er ... when there's an 'r' in the month ... er, when the year multiplied by 50,000 equals 13.'

'But that will never happen, Mr Drake.'

'Ahhh, you're getting the picture - now keep walking ... I'm on the radio in ten minutes to give Wilcock my new deadline.'

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/July20122/4.jpg

Read more ...
(http://sovereignty-press.net/news/2012/03/31/alert-mass-arrests-of-illuminati-politicians-in-april-2012/)
See also ... Imminent mass arrests, March 2012:

Definition of 'imminent': 'Close in time; about to occur'.

Read more ... (http://buddyhuggins.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/imminent-mass-arrests.html)

[indigopete]

Well... just maybe Wilcock will have the last laugh. Icke is a Brit...

It's not a question of who has the last laugh. We're not placing bets on who's cake's got the christmas prize in it. It's a question of growing up and leaving behind agendas which require the investment of blind faith.

So what if the so called "mass arrest" agenda is real.

Why should we care when there's a much bigger, more powerful shared destiny at hand that's out in the open, created by all, owned by all, and unambiguous in it's veracity.

I don't go to Icke shows anymore but I was one of the people in the "telephone box" back in the days when the whole audience could fit in. The thing he said that made the biggest impression on me was his account of the immense power of the aggregate effect of lots of people changing their own lives in very small ways. No one can possibly predict the outcome of that because it's so immense. Also, it's something that no-one can intellectually "plot" against because it's like trying to stand still in an earthquake.

That's why the Drake agenda - whether real or fake - is irrelevant because it doesn't do justice to (or even acknowledge) the real spiritual awakening that's going on amongst the mass of ordinary human beings.

[Kimberley]

************

I could not resist posting this this.... Much love!!

Message To Complaining Followers Of Drake

r_w8_qIC5ck



Published on Jul 7, 2012 by juliamay11

Angry, doom and gloom Julia here and it's time for a spanking of you complaining children in big peoples' bodies.

[GlassSteagallfan]

Real mass arrest's are coming, but not from Drake, Wilcock or any of their buddies.

Britian is caving into financial reform, with calls for the re-instatement of Glass Steagall by the oligarchy! The Libor crimes seem to be the straw that will unlease a Pecora style investigation into banks globally.

Read my latest post in the 'Global Financial News' here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47107-Potential-Pecora-Comm.-Bankers-going-to-jail-FINALLY-)

[9eagle9]

MOD EDIT: Removed rude comment addressed to fellow Avalon member

0TOxhzAm7fY


************

I could not resist posting this this.... Much love!!

Message To Complaining Followers Of Drake

r_w8_qIC5ck



Published on Jul 7, 2012 by juliamay11

Angry, doom and gloom Julia here and it's time for a spanking of you complaining children in big peoples' bodies.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

************

I could not resist posting this this.... Much love!!

Message To Complaining Followers Of Drake

r_w8_qIC5ck



Published on Jul 7, 2012 by juliamay11

Angry, doom and gloom Julia here and it's time for a spanking of you complaining children in big peoples' bodies.

Wow, nobody is crucifying anybody. The idea that this lady would figuratively spank anybody is laughable. She is the childish one for acting like she has the authority to scold people. :drama:

[felixq78]

I fear you may be right. I think Drake believes it but someone is feeding him a line. David Wilcock has outlined several possible scenarios after the no show on the 4th of July. Check out his http://divinecosmos.com/ website, it's a down to earth appraisal of the whole Drake deal.

[felixq78]

************

I could not resist posting this this.... Much love!!

Message To Complaining Followers Of Drake

r_w8_qIC5ck



Published on Jul 7, 2012 by juliamay11

Angry, doom and gloom Julia here and it's time for a spanking of you complaining children in big peoples' bodies.

Wow, nobody is crucifying anybody. The idea that this lady would figuratively spank anybody is laughable. She is the childish one for acting like she has the authority to scold people. :drama:

Oh come on you cannot deny that this lady is spot on with her admonishment of those stamping their feet when the date they squeezed out of Drake passes by without any cavalry thundering down their streets. Drake is the real deal and he's given us more info than should be required in any war and it is a war. I've never heard of battle plans being anounced to the general public during a war; you trust your leaders, sit tight and wait. Do you want Drake to announce all the battle plans so that the enemy knows exactly what you're doing ? Sit and wait, wait and see.

[felixq78]

Read more,....? Nah, don't think so. Oh yea of little faith.

[9eagle9]

Drake Updates.

Some of the secret schematics of Drakes plans including defense systems, transport of weaponry, demonstration of advance weaponry, and the Secret Meeting Places where this all goes down at.

Anyone need any clarification.

[foreverfan]

Sorry if this was posted already.... Too funny.

HITLER FINDS OUT THAT DRAKE 4th OF JULY GREEN LIGHT DOES NOT HAPPEN (http://meemsy.com/v/2650)

[gripreaper]

************

I could not resist posting this this.... Much love!!

Message To Complaining Followers Of Drake

r_w8_qIC5ck



Published on Jul 7, 2012 by juliamay11

Angry, doom and gloom Julia here and it's time for a spanking of you complaining children in big peoples' bodies.

Here's a little something for the little children in case you missed it ;)


HITLER FINDS OUT THAT DRAKE 4th OF JULY GREEN LIGHT DOES NOT HAPPEN (http://meemsy.com/v/2650)

[Unified Serenity]

HEY! Where'd you get that pic of me in the hot tub dammit? Can't trust anyone!

¤=[Post Update]=¤

This looked like a good place to post this and have some fun:

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/73/1394/640/nutjob.jpg

[9eagle9]

Funny? How dare you. Poor Hitler. Look at how upset and sincere he is, it must be real. I don't think its very funny the way you're mocking him when he's clearly serious which means it must be true.

Is there a donate button or something where we can help?




Sorry if this was posted already.... Too funny.

HITLER FINDS OUT THAT DRAKE 4th OF JULY GREEN LIGHT DOES NOT HAPPEN (http://meemsy.com/v/2650)

[gripreaper]

Funny? How dare you. Poor Hitler. Look at how upset and sincere he is, it must be real. I don't think its very funny the way you're mocking him when he's clearly serious which means it must be true.

Is there a donate button or something where we can help?




Sorry if this was posted already.... Too funny.

HITLER FINDS OUT THAT DRAKE 4th OF JULY GREEN LIGHT DOES NOT HAPPEN (http://meemsy.com/v/2650)

What about some of the tag lines? "Should have listened to the Avalonian's who came from their hearts and told everyone it was a hoax? Can't believe this thread got 3000 posts?

[foreverfan]

Would you believe that I found that Hitler gem on www.divinecosmos.com... they actually let that through. LOL

Ok... which one of you clowns put those words in Hitler's mouth. :cool:

[gripreaper]

Would you believe that I found that Hitler gem on www.divinecosmos.com... they actually let that through. LOL

HITLER FINDS OUT THAT DRAKE 4th OF JULY GREEN LIGHT DOES NOT HAPPEN (http://meemsy.com/v/2650)

That's an interesting dynamic. The [Icke website] mod's would not post Bill Ryan's comment, and have always censored any comments which were not edifying to David Wilcock.

[foreverfan]

Would you believe that I found that Hitler gem on www.divinecosmos.com... they actually let that through. LOL

HITLER FINDS OUT THAT DRAKE 4th OF JULY GREEN LIGHT DOES NOT HAPPEN (http://meemsy.com/v/2650)

That's an interesting dynamic. The mod's would not post Bill Ryan's comment, and have always censored any comments which were not edifying to David Wilcock.

I guess they have a sense of humor.

[SKAWF]

this is kinda like watching a pack of wolves tear a teddy bear to pieces.

ickey woke me up.....

but i think he's lowered himself here.
the tone of the messages.

it doesnt bring out the best in people does it.

i'm just sayin, that in a way, this is turning into a savage free for all. my opinion.

[foreverfan]

Funny? How dare you. Poor Hitler. Look at how upset and sincere he is, it must be real. I don't think its very funny the way you're mocking him when he's clearly serious which means it must be true.

Is there a donate button or something where we can help?

Hey... my check is in the mail.

[9eagle9]

I don't know ....you need to shave your back though..


HEY! Where'd you get that pic of me in the hot tub dammit? Can't trust anyone!

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This looked like a good place to post this and have some fun:

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/73/1394/640/nutjob.jpg

[gripreaper]

this is kinda like watching a pack of wolves tear a teddy bear to pieces.

ickey woke me up.....

but i think he's lowered himself here.
the tone of the messages.

it doesnt bring out the best in people does it.

i'm just sayin, that in a way, this is turning into a savage free for all. my opinion.

I disagree. I think it is helpful sometimes to point out the absurdities in an irreverent manner in order to shake the old paradigm and the imbedded memes from our consciousness. It's been 20 years since Icke first hit the trail, and it would be tragic to let the awakening get derailed now by some psy op.

Suffice it to say, that we are all in this together, the greatest transformation to befall mankind in 26,000 years. Yes, it's that important. We are dealing with a cabal who has worked at gaining total control of this planet for thousands of years, and they NOW HAVE that total control of us. Many of the very erudite threads on this Forum have looked at the utter inhumanity of such a dark agenda, and it is real as hell and it is upon us.

Who, but those in the alternative community who have been awakened can be the emissaries for this transformation? That is US my friends. WE ARE the one's we have been waiting for.

Look at the deeper message. Go inside for answers.

[9eagle9]

I'd have to disagree as well, its less about savaging a teddy bear than snickering at the zany antics of Sergeant Schroeder and Colonel Klink. With about as much karmic debt attached to it. If this were REAL then people may be amiss in their mockery, but as it is demonstrated itself to be just another dramedy some are inclined to respond to it as such.






this is kinda like watching a pack of wolves tear a teddy bear to pieces.

ickey woke me up.....

but i think he's lowered himself here.
the tone of the messages.

it doesnt bring out the best in people does it.

i'm just sayin, that in a way, this is turning into a savage free for all. my opinion.

I disagree. I think it is helpful sometimes to point out the absurdities in an irreverent manner in order to shake the old paradigm and the imbedded memes from our consciousness. It's been 20 years since Icke first hit the trail, and it would be tragic to let the awakening get derailed now by some psy op.

Suffice it to say, that we are all in this together, the greatest transformation to befall mankind in 26,000 years. Yes, it's that important. We are dealing with a cabal who has worked at gaining total control of this planet for thousands of years,and they NOW HAVE that total control of us. Many of the very erudite threads on this Forum have looked at the utter inhumanity of such a dark agenda,and it is real as hell and it is upon us.

Who, but those in the alternative community who have been awakened can be the emissaries for this transformation? That is US my friends. WE ARE the one's we have been waiting for.

Look at the deeper message. Go inside for answers.

[mattymoto]

this is kinda like watching a pack of wolves tear a teddy bear to pieces.

ickey woke me up.....

but i think he's lowered himself here.
the tone of the messages.

it doesnt bring out the best in people does it.

i'm just sayin, that in a way, this is turning into a savage free for all. my opinion.

As far as I'm concerned a propaganda war has been being waged against collective Humanity for what seems an eternity. What has me enraged is that "THEY ARE F******G KILLING US!!!!! literally my friends." I hope the fainthearted can set aside those fuzzy feelings until this final war is fought and won. Sad thing is that we would get villified and killed faster, enmasse-- if we were to wage war on them as they have against us. So the best weapon we have is the truth, and by god, "I hope it hurts."


I feel like I need to shake some people awake, we don't have time for "namaste" or "love and light" ...

"THEY ARE F******G KILLING US!"
"THEY ARE F******G KILLING US!!"
"THEY--ARE F****--**G KILL--ING US!!!" :boom:

[SKAWF]

I disagree. I think it is helpful sometimes to point out the absurdities in an irreverent manner in order to shake the old paradigm and the imbedded memes from our consciousness. It's been 20 years since Icke first hit the trail, and it would be tragic to let the awakening get derailed now by some psy op.

Suffice it to say, that we are all in this together, the greatest transformation to befall mankind in 26,000 years. Yes, it's that important. We are dealing with a cabal who has worked at gaining total control of this planet for thousands of years,and they NOW HAVE that total control of us. Many of the very erudite threads on this Forum have looked at the utter inhumanity of such a dark agenda, and it is real as hell and it is upon us.

Who, but those in the alternative community who have been awakened can be the emissaries for this transformation? That is US my friends. WE ARE the one's we have been waiting for.

Look at the deeper message. Go inside for answers.

there what you do.... and the way you do it.

and of all the ways icke couldve presented himself
he chose the path of ridicule.

and as to the rest of what i said...

technically, given the original intent of this thread,

and especially recently,

there's a tiny bit of trolling going on.

my view is, if you sink yourself into opposing something
you end up supporting its existence.

surely the best thing that couldve been done.....

is to have recognised it for what it was early on,
and then played no further part in it.

because whether you are for it, or against it,
you are still distracted by it, and put energy into it.

and i'll add that pointing out that something is ridiculous
is not the same as openly ridiculing something.

are you going to do that for all the things that you dont agree with?

what happens if everyone started doing that?

is it ok, that if someone creates a thread because they are naive enough to believe in something,
that a group will come in and ridicule it?

put it this way... i wouldnt want to be on the receiving end of what i'm seeing

[Unified Serenity]

I don't know ....you need to shave your back though..


HEY! Where'd you get that pic of me in the hot tub dammit? Can't trust anyone!

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This looked like a good place to post this and have some fun:

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/73/1394/640/nutjob.jpg

LOL..... it's my animal nature :D

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this is kinda like watching a pack of wolves tear a teddy bear to pieces.

ickey woke me up.....

but i think he's lowered himself here.
the tone of the messages.

it doesnt bring out the best in people does it.

i'm just sayin, that in a way, this is turning into a savage free for all. my opinion.

As far as I'm concerned a propaganda war has been being waged against collective Humanity for what seems an eternity. What has me enraged is that "THEY ARE F******G KILLING US!!!!! literally my friends." I hope the fainthearted can set aside those fuzzy feelings until this final war is fought and won. Sad thing is that we would get villified and killed faster, enmasse-- if we were to wage war on them as they have against us. So the best weapon we have is the truth, and by god, "I hope it hurts."


I feel like I need to shake some people awake, we don't have time for "namaste" or "love and light" ...

"THEY ARE F******G KILLING US!"
"THEY ARE F******G KILLING US!!"
"THEY--ARE F****--**G KILL--ING US!!!" :boom:

Oh, they don't have a dog in this fight, just like the first earth age. 1/3 openly chose to follow Lucifer, about a 1/10th stood by God, and the rest didn't do a thing. I think they went fishing for the day, war is such a nasty business you know.

[gripreaper]

because whether you are for it, or against it,
you are still distracted by it, and put energy into it.

Yea I know. It's part of being human. What about us who are neither for it or against it? Is there a door number 3 or a third option?

[mattymoto]

Have I told you all how I much love you today?

I love you all so much that I am willing to stand-up for you even if you can't. I would die for you-- no hesitation.

[Avocadess]

SUNDAY means an update from DRAKE -- beginning at 12 noon Central Time (10:00 a.m. Pacific, 11:00 a.m. Mountain, 1:00 p.m. Eastern). Here is a link that works:

http://alturl.com/7zuhr

SUNDAY IS ALSO WORLDWIDE MEDITATION-INTENT FOR LIBERATION (as those who are participating plan to continue to do every Sunday until the entire world is free):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjXIstvQeKo&;feature=player_embedded

It is helpful to have as many of us as possible doing this SAME "meditation" to make it more effective. There is scientific PROOF that meditation/intention toward a common goal of many people together has resounding effects, so let's DO IT...!!!

Wishing you the best day EVER..!!!

Avocadess

[SKAWF]

because whether you are for it, or against it,
you are still distracted by it, and put energy into it.

Yea I know. It's part of being human. What about us who are neither for it or against it? Is there a door number 3 or a third option?

i came into all this thinking i was being clever by taking a balanced perspective.....

i'm still fully engaged with it, even though i'm non polarised.

[Avocadess]

First time I put the link to Drake's show it didn't work -- fixed now! (Strange -- but by turning it into a short url that fixed the problem!)