Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[SKAWF]

to clarify

i'm not against taking something to pieces.
with reasoning

but there isnt one part of me that feels i need to ridicule something to get my point across.

in fact, quite a lot of me says that its the wrong thing to do.

i imagine how i would feel, if it were done to me.

and i'm uncomfortable to be around those who do it.

ridicule = light or dark?

[9eagle9]

Imagine how you'd feel if you'd done that to yourself for others to ridicule you.

It's not like he wasn't warned though.

Drake and Company does have a smidge of responsibility for peddling BS and subsequently having it identified as that by the observer.

[SKAWF]

i'm not going to say that what youve just said, isnt true.
because as its all stacked there's a medium to strong chance that you're right

but i cant see how you can be so certain...

that you would state it as truth.

thats 100%

as i say, you may be right....... i dont know.

[gripreaper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlIrI80og8c

[Hervé]

I think all of this has the effect of demoralizing people, and no matter the facts presented, those who want to believe will do so until it's painfully obvious what the truth is:


i dont see that as a negative

it has the inevitability, that even the most gullible will eventually realize the truth.

Unfortunately, they won't since they are akin to skull-dwelling-zombies under the post-hypnotic spell of keeping flushing a toilet:



Hypnosis gives the key as to how implanters work out their implants and mind-control the future behaviour of their victims:


The only other time I have personally witnessed what I saw in my son was a time years ago when a friend of mine was hypnotized by her brother in front of me and her boyfriend. Her brother asked me what I would like him to have her do after he woke her up. I wanted to see if she would repeat something that she would considered silly under normal circumstances. I said, have her get up and flush the toilet every time you tug at your collar.

So he gave her the command, then woke her up. He tugged his collar, she got up, went into the bathroom and flushed the toilet, came back and sat down. He tugged his collar again, and she did it again. And again. After three or four times, I finally asked her why she kept getting up to flush the toilet.

First, she just said it needed flushing. She did it again. And again, I asked her why she kept flushing the toilet. Each time I asked her, she would make up some lame reason as to why she had to flush the toilet.

She got more and more annoyed at me for asking, but she did it again and again upon command and could never see that there was anything strange about it.

Her brother hypnotized her once more to release her of the command, but what an amazing thing to have witnessed.

[SKAWF]

I think all of this has the effect of demoralizing people, and no matter the facts presented, those who want to believe will do so until it's painfully obvious what the truth is:


i dont see that as a negative

it has the inevitability, that even the most gullible will eventually realize the truth.

Unfortunately, they won't since they are akin to skull-dwelling-zombies under the post-hypnotic spell of keeping flushing a toilet:



Hypnosis gives the key as to how implanters work out their implants and mind-control the future behaviour of their victims:


The only other time I have personally witnessed what I saw in my son was a time years ago when a friend of mine was hypnotized by her brother in front of me and her boyfriend. Her brother asked me what I would like him to have her do after he woke her up. I wanted to see if she would repeat something that she would considered silly under normal circumstances. I said, have her get up and flush the toilet every time you tug at your collar.

So he gave her the command, then woke her up. He tugged his collar, she got up, went into the bathroom and flushed the toilet, came back and sat down. He tugged his collar again, and she did it again. And again. After three or four times, I finally asked her why she kept getting up to flush the toilet.

First, she just said it needed flushing. She did it again. And again, I asked her why she kept flushing the toilet. Each time I asked her, she would make up some lame reason as to why she had to flush the toilet.

She got more and more annoyed at me for asking, but she did it again and again upon command and could never see that there was anything strange about it.

Her brother hypnotized her once more to release her of the command, but what an amazing thing to have witnessed.



then use toilets to lure them out into the open

[Hervé]

[[...]

then use toilets to lure them out into the open

Drake already tried to...


Drake Updates.

Some of the secret schematics of Drakes plans including defense systems, transport of weaponry, demonstration of advance weaponry, and the Secret Meeting Places where this all goes down at.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=17305&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1341710302 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=17305&d=1341710302) http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=17304&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1341710259 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=17304&d=1341710259) http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=17303&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1341710220 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=17303&d=1341710220) http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=17302&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1341710093 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=17302&d=1341710093)

Anyone need any clarification.

[MMA_Fan]

David Icke can't talk about censorship. He deleted the Hollie Grieg threads on his forum when it was found to be a hoax and members proved so - then criticizes Wilcock for deleting negative comments.


...is also apparently having 'negative comments' to his blog banned so that only the sychophants are allowed to have their say.
Icke (http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/68992-this-is-what-was-said-months-ago-about-what-was-to-happen-in-april-it-is-now-july-and-yet-another-deadline-passes-)
It's only Bill that has (as usual) written anything decent about the whole thing.

The rest of the alternative media is increasingly showing themselves to be a shower of ****.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

David Icke can't talk about censorship. He deleted the Hollie Grieg threads on his forum when it was found to be a hoax and members proved so - then criticizes Wilcock for deleting negative comments.


...is also apparently having 'negative comments' to his blog banned so that only the sychophants are allowed to have their say.
Icke (http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/68992-this-is-what-was-said-months-ago-about-what-was-to-happen-in-april-it-is-now-july-and-yet-another-deadline-passes-)
It's only Bill that has (as usual) written anything decent about the whole thing.

The rest of the alternative media is increasingly showing themselves to be a shower of ****.

Shwmae.

Are you saying the Hollie G case is all a hoax, or are you referring to a particular site that jumped onto the banwagoon? A huge difference.

diolch yn fawr.

[9eagle9]

MOD EDIT - rude comment removed. Making hostile statements about a fellow Avaloner, rather than addressing the thread/issue is against the guidelines.


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I could not resist posting this this.... Much love!!

Message To Complaining Followers Of Drake

r_w8_qIC5ck



Published on Jul 7, 2012 by juliamay11

Angry, doom and gloom Julia here and it's time for a spanking of you complaining children in big peoples' bodies.

[MMA_Fan]

David Icke can't talk about censorship. He deleted the Hollie Grieg threads on his forum when it was found to be a hoax and members proved so - then criticizes Wilcock for deleting negative comments.


...is also apparently having 'negative comments' to his blog banned so that only the sychophants are allowed to have their say.
Icke (http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/68992-this-is-what-was-said-months-ago-about-what-was-to-happen-in-april-it-is-now-july-and-yet-another-deadline-passes-)
It's only Bill that has (as usual) written anything decent about the whole thing.

The rest of the alternative media is increasingly showing themselves to be a shower of ****.

Shwmae.

Are you saying the Hollie G case is all a hoax, or are you referring to a particular site that jumped onto the banwagoon? A huge difference.

diolch yn fawr.

The whole case.

[Chester]

I fear you may be right. I think Drake believes it but someone is feeding him a line. David Wilcock has outlined several possible scenarios after the no show on the 4th of July. Check out his http://divinecosmos.com/ website, it's a down to earth appraisal of the whole Drake deal.

Thanks, felixq78, it appears that you have stayed open minded and thus continued to ingest some the points made by some of us who believe the Drake / Plan thing is not what it has been advertised to be and are starting to see the possibility that the plan is likely a bogus psi-op or the information suppliers are delusional. My guess is there's a combination of the two here but that it is directed at some level above the information sources. I would be just as cautious with the information coming from David Wilcock in regards to just about everything he comes out with. justoneman

[Chester]

Oh come on you cannot deny that this lady is spot on with her admonishment of those stamping their feet when the date they squeezed out of Drake passes by without any cavalry thundering down their streets. Drake is the real deal and he's given us more info than should be required in any war and it is a war. I've never heard of battle plans being anounced to the general public during a war; you trust your leaders, sit tight and wait. Do you want Drake to announce all the battle plans so that the enemy knows exactly what you're doing ? Sit and wait, wait and see.

And it appears you may go through the flip flop stage a few times, but once the seed of doubt is planted, and you allow discernment to push through, I am sure you'll get fully over to the other side (the side of actual reality). justone

[ThePythonicCow]

First time I put the link to Drake's show it didn't work -- fixed now! (Strange -- but by turning it into a short url that fixed the problem!)

Yeah - copying and pasting long URL's is a bit tricky.

The software on this and most other forums deliberately shortens long URL's (replacing the mid portion of them with a "..."). If you copy and paste the shortened result (what appears on your screen) that will usually be a broken URL. Instead right click on any working URL posted elsewhere on the net, and choose to "Copy Link Location". That will put the full length, working URL into your copy+paste buffer, which you can then paste into your post here.

Don't worry too much if the above doesn't make sense ... you've got plenty of good company.

[Chester]

this is kinda like watching a pack of wolves tear a teddy bear to pieces.

ickey woke me up.....

but i think he's lowered himself here.
the tone of the messages.

it doesnt bring out the best in people does it.

i'm just sayin, that in a way, this is turning into a savage free for all. my opinion.

As far as I'm concerned a propaganda war has been being waged against collective Humanity for what seems an eternity. What has me enraged is that "THEY ARE F******G KILLING US!!!!! literally my friends." I hope the fainthearted can set aside those fuzzy feelings until this final war is fought and won. Sad thing is that we would get villified and killed faster, enmasse-- if we were to wage war on them as they have against us. So the best weapon we have is the truth, and by god, "I hope it hurts."


I feel like I need to shake some people awake, we don't have time for "namaste" or "love and light" ...

"THEY ARE F******G KILLING US!"
"THEY ARE F******G KILLING US!!"
"THEY--ARE F****--**G KILL--ING US!!!" :boom:

I understand the frustration... and I can only speak for myself, but though "they" may be speeding up the process in which my physical body may die, the far more sinister threat is what have "they" been doing to kill my spirit and eat my soul?

So then I ask myself, why am I here now? To awaken to all this before the worst is to come? To no longer care about the "what happens" to myself at the various levels of my being, but to have to endure watching loved ones still in their innocence having to suffer through the process of awakening living with the fear they might not do so "in time." And the strange inner voice that says, maybe it's best they never know. Maybe there's a big, bad but brief ending, so best they retain their innocence.

All those dynamics are holding me in the game and so in many ways I am still just another "they" who has joined another side still fighting in our collective war. Is this any better than when I was an innocent with good intent yet feeding the monster all the same?

I came here to find solutions and I have found many for myself, but sometimes I wonder if there can be some magical finish line where I somehow am still alive on this planet and that I no longer play any role in the war. That if this be true for me, then it can be true for all of us.

apologies for the apathy.... surely just the mood o' the day from justoneman

[Chester]

to clarify

i'm not against taking something to pieces.
with reasoning

but there isnt one part of me that feels i need to ridicule something to get my point across.

in fact, quite a lot of me says that its the wrong thing to do.

i imagine how i would feel, if it were done to me.

and i'm uncomfortable to be around those who do it.

ridicule = light or dark?

I personally agree with you - My Drake posts have been direct and I hope that none have ever been seen to ridicule (but I probably slipped a few in...). Still, IMO, posts that ridicule (and thus then generally form a crowd of others who take up the same form of expression) are similar to mobs and I have never seen a mob that accomplished anything positive.

At the same time, you have several posters here who have achieved various levels of frustration to the point some tip over into ridicule.

Bill's point about his frustration that within the "awakened" community are those he feels should know better. Why is that so important? Because also within the awakened community are some who are quite informed and concerned about the very real possibility of some significant, end game events soon upon us all. That's where Icke and Ryan are coming from. That's why Icke is losing his patience IMO. Bill's approach in choosing more delicate language is about the only difference.

Now when I have a problem I need resolved, I generally call upon experts who are far more informed about the dynamics of my problem than I am. Sometimes we actually do come out better when we place our trust and confidence in those hands. Our problem is still our own responsibility, but would we have a planet of 7 billion people if one of life's lessons was not learning how sometimes to rely a bit on others? Always with discernment, our own responsibility and knowing we are the ones individually who chose to risk? Icke and Ryan are experts and yes, there are more. I try and choose wisely having trusted some idiots in my day (including myself when I was far out of my league).

Anyways, love is a tough animal indeed but I still place my bet on love because love wins all bets.

justone

[Chester]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlIrI80og8c

True story - when I was 20 I worked in a bookstore in Dallas back in 1978 or so. Authors would come through stores like this for "Book Signings." We had some cool folks come through. Anyways, Charlton Heston had put out a biography and the boss chose me to be the one who hands the book to Charlton each time a customer's turn came up for signing the book.

Well, I had a few days advance notice and so in typical justoneman form, I began to write my script and rehearse my lines as I wanted to pull Charlton Heston's leg a bit. So I came up with a routine where I started talking about how great this movie of his was and that movie was, etc except they were all his B movies. And then I planned to reach a crescendo where I would make a point of how great it must be to be an actor and be able to yell out to the world... "Soylent Green is People!!!!"

Well, I pulled off my little stunt quite well, but the reaction I got was not what I anticipated. Charlton stopped the line and then went into a two or three minute lecture about the hard, hard work actors must endure to be able to produce the two hour entertainment. I mean, I would have given anything in those days to become an actor and here I am getting the third degree from Charlton Heston that left me with the feeling he pretty much hated doing his job.

Anyways, I can see the Dalai Lama saying to himself - "WTF? This guy thinks he's funny? Jesus Christ, when is this interview over? I hate my job, can't even go to my own country, have to pretend to be all this love and light and wisdom and for all this I gotta endure clowns like this?" Hahahah "I am sure glad I am not 'one with you' buddy," the Dalai Lama says under his breath... Hahaha

justoneclown in the clowniest thread on the net

[gripreaper]

Great News. Looks like all of you negative non believers are being neutralized and the first Stargates are complete, while the first tranche of the Dragon funds, 85 TRILLION is finally released! Thank God for the internet! Such a valuable source of information!

This Stargate-Portal is named such as it connects Galactic Center to Sol center to Gaia center. Direct connection of these energy centers enables direct communication of each, for each, as well as direction communication of Galactic Sol with Hue-man Soul. For those that receive this direct communication, those shall be beams of Light for all within their locales. No effort is needed and none is requested. Only receptivity at Higher Levels.

The close-minded of all types are being removed to their next house of containment. The close minded are no longer permitted to distribute lower energies to Hue-manity. The Central Stargate Portal has sealed the fate of those limited ones, and they shall be repaired elsewhere.

The Central Stargate Portal may be called on by all those with open minds and hearts and desire to attune with, assist, and ascend with Gaia. All requests with such alignment are honored, and manifest as needed for each individual, group, and planetary body.

We thank those who have continued on in the face of what has been termed “delays”. None of those exist in truth. Timing is in perfection, and Central Stargate Portal assures all Light from Cosmic Central supports ascension.

http://gaiaportal.wordpress.com/2012/07/07/central-stargate-portal-of-light-has-formed-and-stabilized/


NOTE: THIS HAS NOT YET BEEN CONFIRMED BY 3rd PARTIES
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THIS IS EQUIVALENT PRICING IN DOLLARS. I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS FUNDING IS GOING INTO FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES. QUITE THE OPPOSITE . IT WILL BE GOING INTO A BASKET OF BRICS CURRENCIES.

CW: As of 07/01/12 $83 Trillion has been released. Stage one. This is only 15% of all recorded funds. Prosperity will soon be here.

AK: Trying to get a confirmation from 3rd parties on what you told me. Nothing yet. Did hear some people who were supposed to be good guys tried to steal some funds. Am I still embargoed on publishing this? I might post it as a rumor.... [embargo over]

CW: All of the funds I speak of were obtained legally. I cannot disclose much more than I have. The $83 Trillion is most likely not going to wash up on American soil. We are in a holding pattern until the markets are quarantined. This is one of many accounts to be opened. Prosperity will eventually come to Europe and the West.

AK: That helps to clarify things a bit. Can you state whether these are banking system injections, infrastructure investments, or what many refer to as prosperity funds to the masses?

CW: There is a play for many nations to escape the financial treason going on. This release of money is to start the set up this new system.

The new system is to include (1) humanitarian efforts first, (2) infrastructure (new clean free energy) then (3) prosperity programs.

There is ALOT going on behind the scences. I am not at liberty to discuss who all is in on the discussion... but I will say Obama is not an enemy of the State.

http://americankabuki.blogspot.com.au/search/label/Dragon%20Family%20Funds

Oh that's good. The money is going into the BRIC accounts and not the cabals. AND there's more! Someone else who believes in Obama! Always refreshing to get the straight scoop on a Sunday morning. LOL

http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb441/cocokiitie/tumblr_lek94vN3Hy1qds0ch.gif

[Chester]

Great News. Looks like all of you negative non believers are being neutralized and the first Stargates are complete, while the first tranche of the Dragon funds, 85 TRILLION is finally released! Thank God for the internet! Such a valuable source of information!

This Stargate-Portal is named such as it connects Galactic Center to Sol center to Gaia center. Direct connection of these energy centers enables direct communication of each, for each, as well as direction communication of Galactic Sol with Hue-man Soul. For those that receive this direct communication, those shall be beams of Light for all within their locales. No effort is needed and none is requested. Only receptivity at Higher Levels.

The close-minded of all types are being removed to their next house of containment. The close minded are no longer permitted to distribute lower energies to Hue-manity. The Central Stargate Portal has sealed the fate of those limited ones, and they shall be repaired elsewhere.

The Central Stargate Portal may be called on by all those with open minds and hearts and desire to attune with, assist, and ascend with Gaia. All requests with such alignment are honored, and manifest as needed for each individual, group, and planetary body.

We thank those who have continued on in the face of what has been termed “delays”. None of those exist in truth. Timing is in perfection, and Central Stargate Portal assures all Light from Cosmic Central supports ascension.

http://gaiaportal.wordpress.com/2012/07/07/central-stargate-portal-of-light-has-formed-and-stabilized/


NOTE: THIS HAS NOT YET BEEN CONFIRMED BY 3rd PARTIES
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THIS IS EQUIVALENT PRICING IN DOLLARS. I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS FUNDING IS GOING INTO FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES. QUITE THE OPPOSITE . IT WILL BE GOING INTO A BASKET OF BRICS CURRENCIES.

CW: As of 07/01/12 $83 Trillion has been released. Stage one. This is only 15% of all recorded funds. Prosperity will soon be here.

AK: Trying to get a confirmation from 3rd parties on what you told me. Nothing yet. Did hear some people who were supposed to be good guys tried to steal some funds. Am I still embargoed on publishing this? I might post it as a rumor.... [embargo over]

CW: All of the funds I speak of were obtained legally. I cannot disclose much more than I have. The $83 Trillion is most likely not going to wash up on American soil. We are in a holding pattern until the markets are quarantined. This is one of many accounts to be opened. Prosperity will eventually come to Europe and the West.

AK: That helps to clarify things a bit. Can you state whether these are banking system injections, infrastructure investments, or what many refer to as prosperity funds to the masses?

CW: There is a play for many nations to escape the financial treason going on. This release of money is to start the set up this new system.

The new system is to include (1) humanitarian efforts first, (2) infrastructure (new clean free energy) then (3) prosperity programs.

There is ALOT going on behind the scences. I am not at liberty to discuss who all is in on the discussion... but I will say Obama is not an enemy of the State.

http://americankabuki.blogspot.com.au/search/label/Dragon%20Family%20Funds

Oh that's good. The money is going into the BRIC accounts and not the cabals. AND there's more! Someone else who believes in Obama! Always refreshing to get the straight scoop on a Sunday morning. LOL

http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb441/cocokiitie/tumblr_lek94vN3Hy1qds0ch.gif

Grip - do you write professionally? Great stuff man... anyways, Hear Hear to the Greatest Show on Earth (clown show that is)

...and the voice just said, "Are you certain there isn't any ridicule to your post, justone?"

[Unified Serenity]

I find hypocrisy and insinuating things about Avalon members to be rude and against the guidelines. Yes, some people seem to operate under a different set of rules here on Avalon. Go ahead and post videos that are rude and claim you would never criticize or put for "negative" vibes. I think it's the overt hypocrisy that gets some of us, but of course we can't call things like they are, that would be us sharing our hearts and well, some of us are just negative and critical and not part of the love and light crowd.

[Hervé]

Youze peeps of all walks don't dig nuthing 'bout showbyzz... 'em guys are all faithful to thar sacrosanct sacred motto:


THE SHOW MUST GO ON !

AND ON
AND ON
AND ON...

[Unified Serenity]

I am amazed that people have the audacity to criticize members by claiming they are stuck in left vs. right or liberal vs. conservative paradigms, and yet those same people are almost 100% of the time defending people on the left or liberals like politicians who are most definitely in the left vs. right paradigm. These members claim to be outside of that "trap", and yet they never seem to defend the conservative or right paradigm. These same members pretend to be all love and light, positive energy and yet they will thank members who are snarky or post videos that are critical. I think it's just another pc way to try to shut up those of us whose views they don't like. By their words and actions show they are hypocrites:

3hSvAukUNmY

[Chester]

I find hypocrisy and insinuating things about Avalon members to be rude and against the guidelines. Yes, some people seem to operate under a different set of rules here on Avalon. Go ahead and post videos that are rude and claim you would never criticize or put for "negative" vibes. I think it's the overt hypocrisy that gets some of us, but of course we can't call things like they are, that would be us sharing our hearts and well, some of us are just negative and critical and not part of the love and light crowd.

I think I just busted myself above - guilty of subtle ridicule... Thanks US

[Sierra]

I am amazed that people have the audacity to criticize members by claiming they are stuck in left vs. right or liberal vs. conservative paradigms, and yet those same people are almost 100% of the time defending people on the left or liberals like politicians who are most definitely in the left vs. right paradigm. These members claim to be outside of that "trap", and yet they never seem to defend the conservative or right paradigm. These same members pretend to be all love and light, positive energy and yet they will thank members who are snarky or post videos that are critical. I think it's just another pc way to try to shut up those of us whose views they don't like. By their words and actions show they are hypocrites:

Mirror mirror on the wall ... but you defend the conservative / right paradigm so well! Stand tall, and be proud of yourself!

And of course, Avaloners politely allow others to share their perspectives, without attempting to shut them up or call them insulting names. Otherwise, that *would* be hypocritical indeed ...

[gripreaper]

Drake just confirmed. Within TWO WEEKS now is the new target.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/global-voice-2012-radio-network/2012/07/08/gvr--drakes-vital-weekend-update--sunday

[Chester]

And let there be arrests! And there was arrests. And it was good. But you lose me with BS about executions... and since that is part of the plan, does anyone actually believe that any of this can actually happen without first a fight?

Be real about it.

[Kimberley]

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Posted by Drake on the facebook group:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/137466796377979/permalink/163144890476836/



It has come to my attention that people closely associated with Galactic Federation of Light, are taking adverse stands in their posts.

>Those involved might want to take note that the info I have put out IS from sources I am familiar with, personally.

Over years of contacts, I have found which is and is not to be trusted. Thus, I also 'temper' the outed info according to its impact and importance.

I was hoping to avoid doing the laundry in a public manner, BUT, those at Galactic Federation of Light leave me no choice.

>In our distant past, several things have taken place. One of those was a newly formed federation. This was the first time an organization of this size and complexity was brought into existence.

This means that all the interactions between all these differing groups had to be worked out.
In addition, the very size was extraordinary and created or caused a bureaucracy that was time consuming and slow to act.

The Galactic Federation of Light knew of the 'bad guys' infiltrating our planet and could not act quickly enough to prevent it. Further, the 'quarantine' was not tightened correctly to offer a full or true quarantine.

Therefore, The Galactic Federation of Light is one of the causes of our present situation/problem.
ALL involved are attempting to rectify or fix all the things that happened because of the above.

I thank all those involved in this effort, including The Galactic Federation of Light.

>I am, and have been aware of the presence of our Pleiadian assistants for many years. Like it or not they are and have been here trying to help for thousands of years.

The society is a sort of military organizational type. Very organized with a distinctive 'order' or command type structure.

None of the 'star' people are conquering types anymore, as this behavior is not acceptable. This does not mean that all accept humans very readily. Some are only tolerant of our existence.

I had hoped to leave this area of discussion out of the things I have been talking about.

However, just as The Creator has stated, everyone needs to work together in order that mankind can elevate itself.

I know that as this is accomplished, man will be seen as much more 'fitting' to join with our much more advanced brothers and sisters.

>The missions are well defined.

Man is to clean his own 'nest' as much as he can.

AFTER/during this, then we will be reintroduced and reunited with our star relations.

-I offer that We The People have the first mission...the clean up.

Therefore, ALL of us here will need to concentrate on our 'human' condition.

-Man has made a lot of very serious messes. Even though we are all human, we have terrible problems accepting each other...race, creed, beliefs, and social differences.

As we become free, the responsibilities of that freedom, have to be a part of a new way of being, in all ways.

>Ladies and Gentlemen, we have enough to do just taking care of our own problems.

Advice is welcome, new ideas, and most of all, letting go of all the 'hate' and artificial disagreements we have made for our own shortcomings...

>The new order is one of peace...nothing more, nothing less.

I suggest we all get busy with our betterment, as ET/Angels will only come AFTER we do.

>The great earth changes depend on exactly how much of this we, as the human race, can accomplish.

World wide destruction or peace?

It is our choice.

Drake

[foreverfan]

Drake just confirmed. Within TWO WEEKS now is the new target.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/global-voice-2012-radio-network/2012/07/08/gvr--drakes-vital-weekend-update--sunday


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[Kimberley]

I do not reply hardly at all in this thread...but You and others keep mentioning executions and I have no idea where you got that idea. I have listened to all of the beginning Drake radio shows and executions are NOT part of the plan!!!




And let there be arrests! And there was arrests. And it was good. But you lose me with BS about executions... and since that is part of the plan, does anyone actually believe that any of this can actually happen without first a fight?

Be real about it.

[foreverfan]

I do not reply hardly at all in this thread...but You and others keep mentioning executions and I have no idea where you got that idea. I have listened to all of the beginning Drake radio shows and executions are NOT part of the plan!!!




And let there be arrests! And there was arrests. And it was good. But you lose me with BS about executions... and since that is part of the plan, does anyone actually believe that any of this can actually happen without first a fight?

Be real about it.

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[gripreaper]

Drake just confirmed. Within TWO WEEKS now is the new target.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/global-voice-2012-radio-network/2012/07/08/gvr--drakes-vital-weekend-update--sunday


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[gripreaper]

grocery stores are going to need digital postal meters to accurately weigh silver and gold so people can buy groceries, probably...according to Drake.

[Unified Serenity]

I am amazed that people have the audacity to criticize members by claiming they are stuck in left vs. right or liberal vs. conservative paradigms, and yet those same people are almost 100% of the time defending people on the left or liberals like politicians who are most definitely in the left vs. right paradigm. These members claim to be outside of that "trap", and yet they never seem to defend the conservative or right paradigm. These same members pretend to be all love and light, positive energy and yet they will thank members who are snarky or post videos that are critical. I think it's just another pc way to try to shut up those of us whose views they don't like. By their words and actions show they are hypocrites:

Mirror mirror on the wall ... but you defend the conservative / right paradigm so well! Stand tall, and be proud of yourself!

And of course, Avaloners politely allow others to share their perspectives, without attempting to shut them up or call them insulting names. Otherwise, that *would* be hypocritical indeed ...

Sierra, I cannot thank you enough for showing your true colors. I have always said I was conservative. I have also said, if you throw your monkey poo at me, I will graciously throw it back to you or to whomever degenerates the conversation first into that mode of communication. I am not the one going around claiming others are falling into some lower density thought process because they see things differently than I do. You my dear constantly remove posts you don't like and claim "attacking fellow Avalon members personally is not allowed" and yet you have supported, backed up those with whom you agree who do. You act like a personal security firm and pr department for a certain select few. Your post does a whole lot to confirm just how your harassment works.

Mirror is exactly what has happened from my side, and yet you are too blind to see it. Quite telling, and they having no love for the truth preferred lies, and thus fell into great deception. Try not to break your arm patting yourself on the back too much.

Sincerely,

Serenity

[Ishtar]

I do not reply hardly at all in this thread...but You and others keep mentioning executions and I have no idea where you got that idea. I have listened to all of the beginning Drake radio shows and executions are NOT part of the plan!!!

Kimberley, I can understand your frustration. But instead of shouting at us, why not listen to the 7th June broadcast? Drake very definitely talked about executions in that broadcast and in another, a few weeks before, he was audibly salivating over the idea of bringing a guillotine in from France. He can get away with this because his audience is mainly made up of people who will go along with anything which means that they won't have to pay their credit card bills. They are the something-for-nothing crowd who have imbibed their hatred for anyone who does better than them in a meritocracy with their mother's milk.

You guys need to wake up and hear what he actually says ... not what you think he says. He may have changed his mind about the executions, but he did state that there would be executions and even offered to shoot one person, who he named, on sight. He also sent death threats to Vivek and others in the other Drake thread.

The man is a deranged psychopathic narcissist. Narcissists can be very good at enchanting people into their webs of deceit and then, when he lets them down (as he invariably does), the narcissist refuses to recognise their disappointment or the failure of the project, but just carries on as if nothing has happened, and this tramples all over the rights and powers of a fully sovereign human being who has become caught up in their web.

Why does he never thank all you guys in the Drake Machine, Kimberley? Why do you keep believing his lies when he lets you down over and over and over and over again, only to reinvent himself the next day to such an the extent that you are now in complete denial about what he's said in the past. You are so bought into this process, that you are hypnotised. I worry about your state of mind, to be frank. Also, I'd like to point out that you are part of the Drake Machine; you are part of his radio show, and Bill has asked the Drake Machine to leave here when the 4th July predictions failed, as we knew they would.

Now you're back on here again with another two-weeks-away date, and to distract everyone yet again, Drake is picking a fight with the Galactic Federation of Light. This is classic narcissistic displacement tactics, to always push the blame for failure on to others because the narcissist cannot stand to admit defeat himself, or that he was wrong.

You and all your Drake Machine people are feeding his delusions. You are on a par with enablers of alcoholics and some of you are totally co-dependant, ever hanging on to Drake's word and Drake's every move. If that's what you want to do with your lives, please do go ahead. But please don't keep coming in here with all your nonsense.

As for the group meditations, once again, this is an example of how psy-ops have tried to infiltrate the spiritual community ~ by taking their language and their systems of reaching self realisation, and turning it to their own ends. This disgusts me to the point of anger. The purpose of meditation and the power of prayer is not, and never has been, political. The purpose of meditation and inner prayer is for self realisation and only the most narrow minded person would consider that it could be used to bring down a political regime, no matter how evil they think the regime is. After all, if that was the case, why didn't Jesus bring down the Romans?

Whether you realise it or not, the Drake Machine is part of psy-ops ... and Drake has confirmed this by using channelling to convince a bunch of ignorant hill-billies that their saviours will be coming from the skies. How did he manage to pull that one off? Well, he was preaching to the converted: he was talking to an audience who'd been waiting for a Second Coming from the skies for a long time. It wasn't hard to convince them that angels are another version of ETs, and that God is firmly on Drake's side.

[Chester]

*********

Posted by Drake on the facebook group:



Hi Kimberley. I may be wrong, but it appears you are respected enough by Drake that you could get an answer to this one simple question which, for some reason, I have been unable to get an answer to.

Are the ET brothers in support of the element of the plan that is open to the possibility of executions?

Please, see if you can get a direct answer to my question.

Do note: It has been publicly stated by Drake several times and stated via innuendo dozens of times that executions are indeed an intended part of the plan... at least presented as a very likely possibility.

Thanks - justoneman

[SKAWF]

I am amazed that people have the audacity to criticize members by claiming they are stuck in left vs. right or liberal vs. conservative paradigms, and yet those same people are almost 100% of the time defending people on the left or liberals like politicians who are most definitely in the left vs. right paradigm. These members claim to be outside of that "trap", and yet they never seem to defend the conservative or right paradigm. These same members pretend to be all love and light, positive energy and yet they will thank members who are snarky or post videos that are critical. I think it's just another pc way to try to shut up those of us whose views they don't like. By their words and actions show they are hypocrites:


personally, i'm not a love and light type.
its about balance for me.

and imbalances.

i reserve the right to look at something from either side if i want.
and when it gets beyond a certain point,
i reserve the right to stop what i was doing,
and take an opposed position,
towards any aspect of anything, at all.

if that makes me a hypocrite in some peoples eyes then so be it.

for me, its always been that those who resort to ridicule....... lose the argument at that point.

also, what about the people here who posted on this thread who believed it?
any friendships destroyed?
any ill will floating about?

so now intelligent people are engaged with this thing.... like david icke
who bangs on about low frequency emotions
and a few ratable from here who are convinced
that decending to the level of ridicule is the way forward.

no its not.

and i doubt that i could be convinced otherwise

steve

[Sunlite]

Why don't you take your cutting anger and save it for your own dysfunctional forum?

Sunlite

[Chester]

I do not reply hardly at all in this thread...but You and others keep mentioning executions and I have no idea where you got that idea. I have listened to all of the beginning Drake radio shows and executions are NOT part of the plan!!!




And let there be arrests! And there was arrests. And it was good. But you lose me with BS about executions... and since that is part of the plan, does anyone actually believe that any of this can actually happen without first a fight?

Be real about it.

Kimberly - May I point out that Drake himself gave all but a direct threat to one of our Posters, Vivek? Is that an example of the mentality you enjoy to follow blindly? I am traveling at the moment but I will find the exact quote from Drake in this regard and you can then decide if this is acceptable to you.

In addition and as of the very first interview between Wilcock and Drake, that there would be executions was absolutely spoken via very obvious innuendo. In fact, many folks here raised concerns about that specific aspect.

And I will go back in this very thread and find for you (unless she has edited it out) the very post from Avocadess which she raises her concerns about the mentions of and allusions to executions but yet apparently has decided it is ok with her anyways as she supports "the plan."

I have no clue what you have been listening to. justoneman

[Chester]

I do not reply hardly at all in this thread...but You and others keep mentioning executions and I have no idea where you got that idea. I have listened to all of the beginning Drake radio shows and executions are NOT part of the plan!!!

Kimberley, I understand your frustration. But instead of shouting at us, why not listen to the 7th June. Drake very definitely talked about executions in that broadcast and in another, a few weeks before, he was audibly salivating over the idea of bringing a guillotine in from France. He can get away with this because his audience is mainly made up of people who will go along with anything that means that they don't have to pay their credit card bills. They are the something-for-nothing crowd who have imbibed their hatred for anyone who does better than them in a meritocracy with their mother's milk.

You guys need to wake up and hear what he actually says ... not what you think he says. He may have changed his mind about the executions, but he did state that there would be executions and even offered to shoot one person, who he named, on sight. He also sent death threats to Vivek and others in the other Drake thread.

The man is a deranged psychopathic narcissist. Narcissists can be very good at enchanting people into their webs of deceit and then, when they are let down, the narcissist refuses to recognise their disappointment or the failure of the project, but just carries on as if nothing has happened, which tramples all over the rights and powers of a fully sovereign human being who has become caught up in their web.

Why does he never thank all you guys in the Drake Machine, Kimberley? Why do you keep believing his lies when he lets you down over and over and over and over again, only to reinvent himself the next day to such an the extent that you are now in complete denial about what he's said in the past. You are so bought into this process, that you are hypnotised. I worry about your state of mind, to be frank. Also, I'd like to point out that you are part of the Drake Machine; you are part of his radio show, and Bill has asked the Drake Machine to leave here when the 4th July predictions failed, as we knew they would.

Now you're back on here again with another two weeks away date, and to distract everyone yet again, Drake is picking a fight with the Galactic Federation of Light. This is classic narcissistic displacement tactics, to always push the blame for failure on to others because the narcissist cannot stand to admit defeat himself, or that he was wrong.

You and all your Drake Machine people are feeding his delusions. You are on a par with enablers of alcoholics and some of you are totally co-dependant, ever hanging on to Drake's word and Drake's every move. If that's what you want to do with your lives, please do go ahead. But please don't keep coming in here with all your nonsense.

As for the group meditations, once again, this in an example of how psy-ops have tried to infilrate the spiritual community by taking their language and their systems of reaching self realisation, and turning it to their own ends. This disgusts me to the point of anger. The purpose of meditation and the power of prayer is not, and never has been, political. The purpose of meditation and inner prayer is for self realisation and only the most narrow minded person would consider that it could be used to bring down a political regime, no matter how evil they think the regime is. After all, if that was the case, why didn't Jesus bring down the Romans?

Whether you realise it or not, the Drake Machine is part of psy-ops ... and Drake has confirmed this to me by using channelling for psy-ops to convince a bunch of ignorant hill-billies that their saviours will be coming from the skies. How did he manage to pull that one off.? Well, he was preaching to the converted: he was talking to an audience who'd been waiting for a Second Coming from the skies for a long time. It wasn't hard to convince them that angels are another version of ETs, and that God is firmly on Drake's side.

WoW! I should have read on before I posted my response to Kimberley. Thanks Ishtar - bang on as always! justone

[Unified Serenity]

Skawf, you are relatively new to this discussion. Those who have done the things I have talked about know who they are.

Sunlight, if you are directing your post to me, that is exactly what they have been attempting to do. Just like DW, so many want to neutralize views they don't like. They try disinfo tactics, strong arm bully tactics, ridicule, sniping, and when we finally had enough we mirrored it back. The truth through this thread proves it out. This has been going on for some time.

[Avocadess]

Post #35 of the thread at this link has my notes from today's radio show with Drake:

http://jandeane81.com/showthread.php?2796-Wilcock-Drake-and-Cobra-Updates-Clarifications-and-Global-Intention-for-Freedom&p=13982#post13982

or (short url in case the link above doesn't work):

http://alturl.com/jdhtp

(Notes began from the middle of the show; I may post notes from the beginning of the show later if I am able.)

Wishing you the best day EVER..!!

Avocadess

[Sierra]

Mirror mirror on the wall ... but you defend the conservative / right paradigm so well! Stand tall, and be proud of yourself!

And of course, Avaloners politely allow others to share their perspectives, without attempting to shut them up or call them insulting names. Otherwise, that *would* be hypocritical indeed ...

Sierra, I cannot thank you enough for showing your true colors. I have always said I was conservative. I have also said, if you throw your monkey poo at me, I will graciously throw it back to you or to whomever degenerates the conversation first into that mode of communication. I am not the one going around claiming others are falling into some lower density thought process because they see things differently than I do. You my dear constantly remove posts you don't like and claim "attacking fellow Avalon members personally is not allowed" and yet you have supported, backed up those with whom you agree who do. You act like a personal security firm and pr department for a certain select few. Your post does a whole lot to confirm just how your harassment works.

Mirror is exactly what has happened from my side, and yet you are too blind to see it. Quite telling, and they having no love for the truth preferred lies, and thus fell into great deception. Try not to break your arm patting yourself on the back too much.

Sincerely,

Serenity

Uh "... claiming others are falling into some lower density thought process because they see things differently than I do"? I have no idea what you are talking about. It is certainly not something I have ever said or thought. Sorry you think people feel that way about you.

Yes, moderators remove rude posts. If you don't like your posts being removed, don't be rude, calling fellow members of Avalons hypocrites pretenders etc. or Haters of Conservatives if they disagree with you or you will get moderated. They are disagreeing with you, that's it.

Or perhaps I simply should have deleted your post rather than mirror what you look like based on your own words, hoping to make an impression that will show you the benefits of focusing on what is being said, rather than complaining and insulting others who do not fit your world view.

Got it. In the future you will be edited or deleted.

If this is considered harassment, maybe you would be more comfortable on a non-moderated forum *my dear*? There are plenty of them out there.

Kimberley and Avocadess have had a lot of 'monkey poo' thrown at them on this thread, from those who disagree with them, and I don't see them whining and insulting others, just doggedly making their points in a mature and adult manner no matter what you think of their points, that most definitely do relate to this thread.

Enough. I will edit and delete posts that offer offense to other members. Public figures, fair game, be as nasty as you like, within reason, don't get pornographic about it. Applying spiteful comments to fellow members, uh uh. That is behavior we *all* agreed would not be part of our repertoire when we joined Avalon.

Sierra

[gripreaper]

From Drake Facebook page:


In our distant past, several things have taken place. One of those was a newly formed federation. This was the first time an organization of this size and complexity was brought into existence.
This means that all the interactions between all these differing groups had to be worked out.
In addition, the very size was extraordinary and created or caused a bureaucracy that was time consuming and slow to act.
The Galactic Federation of Light knew of the 'bad guys' infiltrating our planet and could not act quickly enough to prevent it. Further, the 'quarantine' was not tightened correctly to offer a full or true quarantine.
Therefore, The Galactic Federation of Light is one of the causes of our present situation/problem.
ALL involved are attempting to rectify or fix all the things that happened because of the above.

Hmmm. So, is Drake talking about the Federation in the Milky Way Galaxy between the Pleiades and the Orions, or is he talking about the Galactic Federations between different galaxies? The Andromedan galaxy, which is the closest galaxy to ours, has formed a new Federation with the Milky Way Galaxy, and is this sanctioned by the High Council of the Great Central Sun? What about all of the other galaxies? Do they get a vote?

And this alleged new council came about because there was an issue with the original quarantine against the Archon's, or just a rogue faction within the Archonic hierarchy which went against the council in this galaxy, and that is what got the attention of the other Galactic councils?

So apparently they got pissed off when the incarnated Archon's blew a hole in the quarantine shield at Montauk and blame it on an old hierarchical council structure which needed to be reorganized? I would suspect that the Milky Way Galactic Federation Council would consider themselves as a sovereign galaxy and would not submit to any edict's from the Andromadan's, don't you?

Maybe the Orion's and the Pleiadian's should get together and petition the Milky Way Council to draft a Declaration and Notice of Intent and send it to their Galactic Council for ratification and then get the Central Sun Council to sign off on it, and then Lien the opposing Federations! Then they could get the galactic military to enforce the liens!

With all this talk about sovereignty, how come there is still a problem with the hierarchical power pyramids up in the Galactic Federations? I sure wish someone would have asked Drake to clarify what's going on up there! How can they save us if they are still reorganizing their own councils?

[Unified Serenity]

So, calling others negative, unenlightened, living in fear, and feeding the dark side sort of comments are not considered "lower density" living. I am sure I can go back into many threads and pull up just those sort of statements by a select group who does not like my opinion or those who tend to see things along the same lines I do? You see, that is what I was referring to. Again, selective moderation. We are used to it, but it doesn't mean we have to like it.

Edit for further elucidation:

Negative is an observation of what some would see as a condition or action of another, just as hypocrite is. I note again, that some observations are perfectly acceptable here for as select few.

[Sierra]

So, calling others negative, unenlightened, living in fear, and feeding the dark side sort of comments are not considered "lower density" living. I am sure I can go back into many threads and pull up just those sort of statements by a select group who does not like my opinion or those who tend to see things along the same lines I do? You see, that is what I was referring to. Again, selective moderation. We are used to it, but it doesn't mean we have to like it.

Edit for further elucidation:

Negative is an observation of what some would see as a condition or action of another, just as hypocrite is. I note again, that some observations are perfectly acceptable here for as select few.

Your post is irrelevant to this thread, negative, unenlightened, vague in nature, hostile to those who disagree with your opinion(s). You want to complain about moderation, complain to the moderators.

Hijacking this thread again for your own personal use as a wailing wall, is not a sensible thing to do.

Sierra

[karelia]

All right, people,

Can we stick to the subject of the thread, please? Having verbal sparring matches, w@nking sessions, or posting nothing but images that merely reflect your opinion and has little if anything to do with the thread is not only childish, it throws an extremely bad light on those members involved and thus the entire forum, since this is a public thread. If that is what you want, go right ahead, but be aware that from now on, anything that is overly inappropriate for the thread may be deleted without notice.

Alternatively, we can all start acting our age and prove that humanity actually CAN be civil to each other, even if opinions are vastly different.

Thank you,
one very disgruntled mod

[Bill Ryan]

"THEY ARE F******G KILLING US!"
"THEY ARE F******G KILLING US!!"


Non sequitur. I was in a supermarket in Loja, Ecuador, a little while back: very modern, just like Safeway. (Loja is the nearest major town to Vilcabamba and is where everyone goes for their weekly shopping.)

I had my shopping cart, and was looking for fresh produce. Freshly squeezed orange juice, fresh fruit and vegetables, and lots of other good things. But there was also a lot of toxic junk food -- as in every modern American- or European-style supermarket.

I was just gazing at it all, considering the extreme range that was on the shelves: from the organic and highly nourishing, to the total opposite. It was like a kind of weird, inexplicable paradox. Why so much poisonous, lifeless trash -- right alongside all the rich, local produce?

Then it hit me: They're trying to kill us all.

It wasn't a new thought. But this time, it was like a direct experience.

It was like standing in the shoes, or climbing into the skin, of one of the global controllers who made policy decisions that affected billions of people. I felt the hatred for the "useless eaters", I felt the absolute lack of compassion or empathy, I felt the disdain and disgust. The rest of the human race were as little more than cockroaches or rats.

I perceived the carefully delineated, gradual, long-term plan to kill off or disable billions, but only with their manipulated compliance and consent... a plan which just magnified the disrespect and contempt for the victims. It was like a slow-burn holocaust, lasting over several generations -- rather than a few desperate minutes in the gas chambers. It only lasted a moment, but I still remember it acutely and viscerally, and shall never forget it.

:focus:

[SKAWF]

well thats just marvelous!

[markpierre]

Negative is an observation of what some would see as a condition or action of another, just as hypocrite is. I note again, that some observations are perfectly acceptable here for as select few.

Any judgement at all. ANY judgement at all. ANY judgement! is a misuse of mind. For or against. All of it. All judgement is false. Low low low low density...for the density lovers.

Sorry about that.

[Fred Steeves]

I had my shopping cart, and was looking for fresh produce. Freshly squeezed orange juice, fresh fruit and vegetables, and lots of other good things. But there was also a lot of toxic junk food -- as in every modern American- or European-style supermarket.

I was just gazing at it all, considering the extreme range that was on the shelves: from the organic and highly nourishing, to the total opposite. It was like a kind of weird, inexplicable paradox. Why so much poisonous, lifeless trash -- right alongside all the rich, local produce?

Then it hit me: They're trying to kill us all.

It wasn't a new thought. But this time, it was like a direct experience.

It was like standing in the shoes, or climbing into the skin, of one of the global controllers who made policy decisions that affected billions of people. I felt the hatred for the "useless eaters", I felt the absolute lack of compassion or empathy, I felt the disdain and disgust. The rest of the human race were as little more than cockroaches or rats.

I perceived the carefully delineated, gradual, long-term plan to kill off or disable billions, but only with their manipulated compliance and consent... a plan which just magnified the disrespect and contempt for the victims. It was like a slow-burn holocaust, lasting over several generations -- rather than a few desperate minutes in the gas chambers. It only lasted a moment, but I still remember it acutely and viscerally, and shall never forget it.

:focus:

Sorry, but I'm going to do here like when you are "safely" driving 20 m.p.h. BEHIND a cop. (LOL) Then I'll shut up, promise.http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

Bill, what you are talking about there is good thread material. For what it's worth, I've had the exact same experience in an average old grocery store, only on pretty much the opposite end of the spectrum.

[Bill Ryan]

well thats just marvelous!

"If you know others and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know others but know yourself, you win one and lose one; if you do not know others and do not know yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle."





Sun Tzu, The Art of War.

Interpretation: We have to know what we're up against. This is the point.

[ThePythonicCow]

This is the point.
SKAWF had written a longer post, responding to something earlier on the thread. But his longer post ended up coming right after Bill's post. SKAWF then edited his post down to a one liner, which apparently Bill thought was a reaction to Bill's post. Karelia then deleted SKAWF's one liner, as being no longer a useful post. Bill then re-instated SKAWF's post, and replied to it, apparently under the impression that SKAWF's one liner was a response to Bill's post.

[insert face palm image here]

[Kristin]

Just got back from a trip to the US for the forth of July. Things seemed to be status quo. Thus far I haven't seen any mass arrests or signs of any "plan" being enacted. It was a pleasant trip and the weather was great for camping. Despite the on line rumours, I hope that everyone had a good week and did not feel any sense of stress or impending doom. I feel that it is important that we are not reactionary as a species. Remember the "terrorist alert" warnings that were/are posted in the airports, with large announcements creating a sense of anxiety... it's all there for a good reason, to create energy. Energy feeds. Who's eating? I ask myself often to look closely at the energy systems that I am creating. Just thoughts. I hope everyone had an excellent fourth and an amazing Canada Day as well.

Cheers,
Wormhole

[mattymoto]

"THEY ARE F******G KILLING US!"
"THEY ARE F******G KILLING US!!"


Non sequitur. I was in a supermarket in Loja, Ecuador, a little while back: very modern, just like Safeway. (Loja is the nearest major town to Vilcabamba and is where everyone goes for their weekly shopping.)

I had my shopping cart, and was looking for fresh produce. Freshly squeezed orange juice, fresh fruit and vegetables, and lots of other good things. But there was also a lot of toxic junk food -- as in every modern American- or European-style supermarket.

I was just gazing at it all, considering the extreme range that was on the shelves: from the organic and highly nourishing, to the total opposite. It was like a kind of weird, inexplicable paradox. Why so much poisonous, lifeless trash -- right alongside all the rich, local produce?

Then it hit me: They're trying to kill us all.

It wasn't a new thought. But this time, it was like a direct experience.

It was like standing in the shoes, or climbing into the skin, of one of the global controllers who made policy decisions that affected billions of people. I felt the hatred for the "useless eaters", I felt the absolute lack of compassion or empathy, I felt the disdain and disgust. The rest of the human race were as little more than cockroaches or rats.

I perceived the carefully delineated, gradual, long-term plan to kill off or disable billions, but only with their manipulated compliance and consent... a plan which just magnified the disrespect and contempt for the victims. It was like a slow-burn holocaust, lasting over several generations -- rather than a few desperate minutes in the gas chambers. It only lasted a moment, but I still remember it acutely and viscerally, and shall never forget it.

:focus:

I realise that I stomped my feet and jumped up and down when I made that harsh judgement. I apologise for coming off as nuts, but to me, this is a very important topic.

Drake talks of suppressed tech. of which I'm pretty certain is medical as well as other potential marvelous breakthroughs. Just by withholding this tech from "we the people" I feel that the cabal have blood on their hands.

"Murder" would be a harsh charge-- free will and choice, discernment and personal responsibility. These things must be considered..

"Involuntary Manslaughter" this on the other hand, rings so true in my head, and I would bet multiple hundreds of thousand counts- if not millions.

Once again I apologise for not only my vulgar display here, but my outrageous indirect claim of murder.


Although my feelings would lead me to believe that if mass arrests did occur, I'm fairly sure that we would learn they(cabal) are trying to kill us more ways than one.

[SKAWF]

well thats just marvelous!

"If you know others and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know others but know yourself, you win one and lose one; if you do not know others and do not know yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle."





Sun Tzu, The Art of War.

Interpretation: We have to know what we're up against. This is the point.

thanks.

at what point do we know enough to act?

i wonder what Sun Tzu would do,
if he found himself under attack from our enemy

[Jeffrey]

This commentary is great IMO. Go ahead, listen to it, I dare ya.

BZPMVy0Ii_0

In this video, “Deep Space” provides an excellent commentary on the impending arrests of the global elite that has alleged by Benjamin Fulford, David Wilcock, Insider Drake and others. He also talks about the Federal Reserve and Project Blue Beam.

Source: http://consciouslifenews.com/commentary-insider-drake-mass-arrests-project-blue-beam-federal-reserve-banking-scam-video/1128191/

[ThePythonicCow]

I realise that I stomped my feet and jumped up and down when I made that harsh judgement. I apologise for coming off as nuts, but to me, this is a very important topic.
Not everything that sounds nuts is true, but more often than not, what's true sounds nuts.

[Fred Steeves]

This is the point.
SKAWF had written a longer post, responding to something earlier on the thread. But his longer post ended up coming right after Bill's post. SKAWF then edited his post down to a one liner, which apparently Bill thought was a reaction to Bill's post. Karelia then deleted SKAWF's one liner, as being no longer a useful post. Bill then re-instated SKAWF's post, and replied to it, apparently under the impression that SKAWF's one liner was a response to Bill's post.

[insert face palm image here]

Wow, glad you got that all straightened out there Paul. Holy s**t man! http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif

Reminds me of the old "Who's On First" Abbott and Costello routine.
sShMA85pv8M

[Lettherebelight]

Those that would attempt to kill us refer to the military and police as their 'Dogs''.

They refer to the general populace (along with 'useless eaters'), as 'the Dead'.

This is where the Grateful Dead got the inspiration for naming their band.

[SKAWF]

i hadnt refreshed for about ten minutes
i edited my post down by making it a remark about my timing
then i read bills post!

sh***********t!

[frozen alchemy]

Boy has this thread deteriorated.

For what it's worth from a newbie, when I check out a new forum of any kind, what I'm looking for is both information I can't get in other places (perhaps from people well-placed to learn things I cannot) and also to get other people's points of view, to get a sense of what other people are thinking.

This thread, with some rare exceptions, reminds me of a grade school playground free-for-all. It's really too bad, because the potential is here.

Like I said in the very beginning of this thread, if what Drake was promising came to pass, no one could be happier than myself. If he was lying, it's tantamount to treason, because people can only get their hopes up so many times before they burn out and truly never recover. Add in that you never know who out there is holding on by their last thread and you can see the potential for violence, suicide, etc.

How's about everybody IGNORE Drake for a while? Wait and see if his predictions and connections are the real thing, or if he's just an old coot enjoying the attention? Now that everybody who was gonna is stocked up on toilet paper, water and freeze-dried food, we can all afford to just sit back and wait without the ongoing useless conversations about, in reality, nothing.

[Kristin]

Those that would attempt to kill us refer to the military and police as their 'Dogs''.

They refer to the general populace (along with 'useless eaters'), as 'the Dead'.

This is where the Grateful Dead got the inspiration for naming their band.

Here's a little more info...
How did they get the name?

In Blair Jackson's book on the Dead, Garcia is quoted as saying:
"One day we were over at Phil's house...He had a big dictionary. I opened it and there was 'Grateful Dead', those words juxtaposed. It was one of those moments, you know, like everything else went blank, diffuse, just sort of oozed away, and there was GRATEFUL DEAD in big, black letters edged all around in gold, man, blasting out at me, such a stunning combination. So I said, 'How about Grateful Dead?' And that was it."

The dictionary entry reads along these lines:

GRATEFUL DEAD: The motif of a cycle of folk tales which begin with the hero coming upon a group of people ill-treating or refusing to bury the corpse of a man who had died without paying his debts. He gives his last penny, either to pay the man's debts or to give him a decent burial. Within a few hours he meets with a travelling companion who aids him in some impossible task, gets him a fortune or saves his life. The story ends with the companion disclosing himself as the man whose corpse the hero had befriended.(Funk & Wagnall's Dictionary).

The name has also been attributed to this quote, though it's generally believed that they came across this one later:

"We now return our souls to the creator,
as we stand on the edge of eternal darkness.
Let our chant fill the void
in order that others may know.
In the land of the night
the ship of the sun
is drawn by the grateful dead."

-- Egyptian Book of the Dead

[Bill Ryan]

well thats just marvelous!

"If you know others and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know others but know yourself, you win one and lose one; if you do not know others and do not know yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle."





Sun Tzu, The Art of War.

Interpretation: We have to know what we're up against. This is the point.

thanks.

at what point do we know enough to act?

i wonder what Sun Tzu would do,
if he found himself under attack from our enemy

What a fantastic question.
(Worth a new thread of its own...)

My immediate response: he'd sit tight, wait, watch, sit tight some more, and compile as much information about the enemy as possible -- assuming that he already knew himself very well.

When he fully understood the enemy, then he would decide how to act. At the moment, if he was one of us, he'd still be collecting information: ruling nothing in, and ruling nothing out. He'd be well aware, as one of us right now, that there was still quite a lot which he didn't know enough about.

(This is, of course, my own position. I believe I understand the global controllers maybe 80 to 90%... but the catcher is that none of us know what we don't know. Maybe I only understand 10%, or less! Hence my motivation for still looking under every stone. :) )

[Lettherebelight]

The Grateful Dead, Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters, and other significant artists from the Beat generation were willing volunteers in the CIA/MK Ultra funded social experiment using LSD. Sid Cohen and Aldous Huxley I'm sure informed them of 'the Plan' of the Elite. I don't think they agreed with that plan, in fact I think they spent their lives laughing at it, and attempting to alert others to it and help free their minds. At least I'd like to think so! :p


Now we're really getting off track...

[Fred Steeves]

When he fully understood the enemy, then he would decide how to act. At the moment, if he was one of us, he'd still be collecting information: ruling nothing in, and ruling nothing out. He'd be well aware, as one of us right now, that there was still quite a lot which he didn't know enough about.


Just one thing Bill, who exactly is "us"? Is this as opposed to "them"?

[Kimberley]

This commentary is great IMO. Go ahead, listen to it, I dare ya.

BZPMVy0Ii_0

In this video, “Deep Space” provides an excellent commentary on the impending arrests of the global elite that has alleged by Benjamin Fulford, David Wilcock, Insider Drake and others. He also talks about the Federal Reserve and Project Blue Beam.

Source: http://consciouslifenews.com/commentary-insider-drake-mass-arrests-project-blue-beam-federal-reserve-banking-scam-video/1128191/

Thank you for sharing this great video...I have not seen this guy before...he is very aware, IMHO, and I like what he said.

And to those that replied to my "executions are not part of the plan" All I want to say is that obviously you do not understand "good old boy" "red neck" talk...that is all that execution talk was...just a southern man thing...

And I want to again state publicly that I am not a follower of anyone!!! And I know that no one is going to save us!!! I am living a loving, fun, peaceful life and am grateful for that every second of everyday!!! And I did a lot of inner work to get to this point.

I came to planet earth to help hold the love vibration.

[Anchor]

How's about everybody IGNORE Drake for a while?

Fantastic idea.

Within limits, and aside from a certain morbid interest in the cause and effect of the GAMEPLAY that is being played, that is what I am doing.

I figure, if you cant help, get out of the way.

<lurk mode resumed/>

[Whiskey_Mystic]

What a fantastic question.
(Worth a new thread of its own...)

My immediate response: he'd sit tight, wait, watch, sit tight some more, and compile as much information about the enemy as possible -- assuming that he already knew himself very well.

When he fully understood the enemy, then he would decide how to act. At the moment, if he was one of us, he'd still be collecting information: ruling nothing in, and ruling nothing out. He'd be well aware, as one of us right now, that there was still quite a lot which he didn't know enough about.

(This is, of course, my own position. I believe I understand the global controllers maybe 80 to 90%... but the catcher is that none of us know what we don't know. Maybe I only understand 10%, or less! Hence my motivation for still looking under every stone. :) )

I have studied Sun Tzu and Bill is correct. It should also be said that to know your enemy, but not know yourself, is simply to be a spectator in your own destruction. You will always fall into your enemy's trap. I see this as a potential problem for many in the alternative media community. Everyone is studying the interesting opponent instead of understanding themselves, which is harder and not very much fun.

There is another aspect of Sun Tzu's teachings that applies here, though. Sun Tzu taught that you must choose the terrain of the battlefield and your position on it, and then force your opponent to engage you there. This requires patience. Your opponent will offer you enticing bait but you must not charge into battle in response. Wait and maneuver until you are in the proper position and then stay there. In this way, the battle will be won before it begins.

"The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy." - Sun Tzu

[Brizil]

What a fantastic question.
(Worth a new thread of its own...)

My immediate response: he'd sit tight, wait, watch, sit tight some more, and compile as much information about the enemy as possible -- assuming that he already knew himself very well.

When he fully understood the enemy, then he would decide how to act. At the moment, if he was one of us, he'd still be collecting information: ruling nothing in, and ruling nothing out. He'd be well aware, as one of us right now, that there was still quite a lot which he didn't know enough about.

(This is, of course, my own position. I believe I understand the global controllers maybe 80 to 90%... but the catcher is that none of us know what we don't know. Maybe I only understand 10%, or less! Hence my motivation for still looking under every stone. :) )

Bill, if you were living in the United States right now what would you do based on the 90% you think you may know? I only say this because you stated that you may not know what you don’t know. How will you know when you know what you didn’t know? I am really looking for solutions here. That’s why I became a member of this forum. I do know that there is plenty of disinformation out there. I have done extensive research, but I have not been able to differentiate what is disinformation and what isn’t. There are so many different interpretations of what is going on that it almost seems impossible to learn what we need to know about what we don’t know. Maybe the elite/PTB/PTW/Reptilians/Grey’s or whatever want it this way. Maybe they want it to be this difficult to understand what we need to know about what we don’t know by getting the ‘experts’ to call each other names and say I’m right and your wrong. Maybe they understand our ego’s better than we do. Maybe we are playing poker against an ‘enemy’ that can see our hand.

[Alie]

Bill, if you were living in the United States right now what would you do based on the 90% you think you may know? I only say this because you stated that you may not know what you don’t know. How will you know when you know what you didn’t know? I am really looking for solutions here. That’s why I became a member of this forum. I do know that there is plenty of disinformation out there. I have done extensive research, but I have not been able to differentiate what is disinformation and what isn’t. There are so many different interpretations of what is going on that it almost seems impossible to learn what we need to know about what we don’t know. Maybe the elite/PTB/PTW/Reptilians/Grey’s or whatever want it this way. Maybe they want it to be this difficult to understand what we need to know about what we don’t know by getting the ‘experts’ to call each other names and say I’m right and your wrong. Maybe they understand our ego’s better than we do. Maybe we are playing poker against an ‘enemy’ that can see our hand.


I know you asked Bill. But of course, I can relate to your post, which was also what lead me to the forum. There is absolutely NO WAY to KNOW anything with certainty. What we are doing here is like the days of old --- having coffee with a neighbor, debating in the public square, sending letters to our pen pals --- and therefore --- growing, deepening, becoming more than we were. In that, we'll eventually sort out for ourselves a veiled truth -- that speaks to the moment.

[Brizil]

I know you asked Bill. But of course, I can relate to your post, which was also what lead me to the forum. There is absolutely NO WAY to KNOW anything with certainty. What we are doing here is like the days of old --- having coffee with a neighbor, debating in the public square, sending letters to our pen pals --- and therefore --- growing, deepening, becoming more than we were. In that, we'll eventually sort out for ourselves a veiled truth -- that speaks to the moment.

Thanks Alie! I have been frustrated by it all this week but I do have hope we will figure it out.

[NancyV]

And to those that replied to my "executions are not part of the plan" All I want to say is that obviously you do not understand "good old boy" "red neck" talk...that is all that execution talk was...just a southern man thing...

I came to planet earth to help hold the love vibration.
I find that comment too funny to let pass! LOL... So all of a sudden "good old boy" "red necks" talking about killing is just talk?? Reality sure warps in strange ways when it gets in the hands and minds of peace and love new age types. I KNOW red neck types who were Vietnam vets. I'm married to a Vietnam vet from West Virginia. They don't talk about killing people just as a "southern man thing". They actually DO kill people.

In addition to Drake talking quite a few times about killing or executing people he also said several times that the ET's who are "helping" are going to extinguish the souls of the elite who wouldn't surrender by throwing them into the central sun....by a certain date, which of course passed without any action. Drake had no problem with the ET's killing all the elites who wouldn't surrender, so he is supporting killing or executions.

Trying to make this into something that feels better for those who claim to "hold the love vibration" is just plain silly and quite hypocritical. Personally I have no problem with the thought of a bloody revolution, because I've never read about or heard about a bloodless revolution or overthrow of a government. LOL...I just asked my husband if he thought that rednecks are some of the most deadly people on the planet and he said NO. I said what?? then Who?? His answer was....LOVE and LIGHT HIPPIES! LOL...I got a good laugh out of that.

[Unified Serenity]

.I just asked my husband if he thought that rednecks are some of the most deadly people on the planet and he said NO. I said what?? then Who?? His answer was....LOVE and LIGHT HIPPIES! LOL...I got a good laugh out of that.

I think I really like your husband Nancy!

[SKAWF]

thanks.

at what point do we know enough to act?

i wonder what Sun Tzu would do,
if he found himself under attack from our enemy

What a fantastic question.
(Worth a new thread of its own...)

My immediate response: he'd sit tight, wait, watch, sit tight some more, and compile as much information about the enemy as possible -- assuming that he already knew himself very well.

When he fully understood the enemy, then he would decide how to act. At the moment, if he was one of us, he'd still be collecting information: ruling nothing in, and ruling nothing out. He'd be well aware, as one of us right now, that there was still quite a lot which he didn't know enough about.

(This is, of course, my own position. I believe I understand the global controllers maybe 80 to 90%... but the catcher is that none of us know what we don't know. Maybe I only understand 10%, or less! Hence my motivation for still looking under every stone. :) )

i think he would be aware that even though a body couldnt win against a gun or a tank...
an idea is indestructible

[markpierre]

"If you know others and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know others but know yourself, you win one and lose one; if you do not know others and do not know yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle."[/I]





Sun Tzu, The Art of War.

Interpretation: We have to know what we're up against. This is the point.

Lol, great advice from a great military genius. But they're all dead now. It didn't really save them.

Try this; pick the worse possible scenario you can imagine and live it until it doesn't frighten you anymore. Then you may know what to do.
Is it so forgettable, or didn't anyone ever mention that our only real enemy is ourselves? It takes a little determination and discipline.
Or another paradigm entirely.

Content: A very messy world.
Context: Messy mind (and presumably a correction).

[Tony]

well thats just marvelous!

"If you know others and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know others but know yourself, you win one and lose one; if you do not know others and do not know yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle."





Sun Tzu, The Art of War.

Interpretation: We have to know what we're up against. This is the point.

thanks.

at what point do we know enough to act?

i wonder what Sun Tzu would do,
if he found himself under attack from our enemy

What a fantastic question.
(Worth a new thread of its own...)

My immediate response: he'd sit tight, wait, watch, sit tight some more, and compile as much information about the enemy as possible -- assuming that he already knew himself very well.

When he fully understood the enemy, then he would decide how to act. At the moment, if he was one of us, he'd still be collecting information: ruling nothing in, and ruling nothing out. He'd be well aware, as one of us right now, that there was still quite a lot which he didn't know enough about.

(This is, of course, my own position. I believe I understand the global controllers maybe 80 to 90%... but the catcher is that none of us know what we don't know. Maybe I only understand 10%, or less! Hence my motivation for still looking under every stone. :) )





Dear Bill,

Thanks for you input.

Could you explain what you do know? I find after all my research, I cannot believe anyone.
Forums are infested with such wild speculation, and to my amazement people will believe anything.

What I'm looking for is what is it that binds 'insiders' together?
Is it just greed?
Power?
Fear?

Or do they just rely on the speculative imagination of human?

Am I missing something?


Tony

[StarDust]

Post #35 of the thread at this link has my notes from today's radio show with Drake:

http://jandeane81.com/showthread.php?2796-Wilcock-Drake-and-Cobra-Updates-Clarifications-and-Global-Intention-for-Freedom&p=13982#post13982

or (short url in case the link above doesn't work):

http://alturl.com/jdhtp

(Notes began from the middle of the show; I may post notes from the beginning of the show later if I am able.)

Wishing you the best day EVER..!!

Avocadess

Thank you Avocadess for the summary. I thought Drake's mention of the Keshe Foundation to be fascinating in its implications.


Drake was asked about the Keshe Foundation. Drake said yes, some of this technology will be released. [Note: see their website here: http://alturl.com/qxj5i )

Here's what appears to be the Keshe Foundation's mission:


The world peace invitation and release of technology

Following the meeting of the Keshe Foundation with the world ambassadors invited to Brussels on 21 April 2012, now our invitation goes to the nations of the world through their ambassadors and their leaders to attend a gathering on 6 September 2012 at the Keshe Foundation Center in Ninove, Belgium (or in any other place the nations may choose).

As your Excellencies have been aware, we invited representatives of every country to the first presentation of our technology on 21 April 2012. The ambassadors of some nations attended this meeting and others chose to ignore the call, due to pressure from other nations, and decided not to attend or withdrew at the last moment.

With this second invitation we directly and unequivocally invite the leaders of your nation to appoint qualified individuals who can take part in the upcoming meeting at the Foundation on 6 September on behalf of their governments.

The reasons for this invitation and the meeting are as follows:

On 21 September 2012 the Keshe Foundation will release the first phase of its space technology and the gravitational and magnetic (Magravs) systems it has developed, to all scientists around the world simultaneously, for production and duplication.

From that point on, international borders will cease to have any real significance. This is because, once the first flight system has been built and put into operation for the public, the time of travel for example from Tehran to New York will be about 10 minutes maximum.

The new airborne systems will enable every individual to make the same length of journey in the same time and at hardly any cost from any point on this planet. The craft will not be detectable with present radar technology.

The energy crisis will be resolved at a stroke, and once the technology is put into practice the powers that control energy supplies and through them the present financial structures will find their hands empty.

The world water shortage will be addressed and resolved by presenting this technology to the public soon after the release of our energy and space technology.

How we have done this?

For the past six years we have used the international patent system to make sure that every nation and major scientists around the world have a copy of our patents in their possession. (Please check the European patent and international servers downloads for number of downloads.)

Thus we have prevented any possible blocking of this technology by any individual or group and now most nations are in possession of our patents for energy generation, medical systems and space travel.

In this way the methods used in the past to prevent international development have been circumvented and now all nations have the same opportunity to work together to see that this technology is developed safely.

The principal point is that our technology is intended to be freely available to every government for the benefit of all its citizens. Through the systems we have developed every nation can have access to as much energy, water and food as they need, as well as to new methods of health care and of transport, all at very little cost.

According to its charter the Keshe Foundation and all its technologies are owned by the peoples of the world. The patents are the assets of every individual on this planet and cannot be claimed by any one person or organization or nation. This means that all income generated by the technology belongs to the nation that makes use of it.

We will release the list of countries invited to the meeting on 6 September 2012 and the full e-mail addresses of those who receive invitations, so it will be up to you as a government to make it known who from your nation will be attending this meeting.

By the time this email arrives at your embassies a copy will be posted on the Foundation forum and website so your citizens will be aware of the offer that has been made to you. Then it will be for you to make your response known to them, as well as to the Foundation, and we will gather the names of the delegates appointed and let your officials know where and how to meet.

Following this meeting, the presentation on 21 September 2012 will be the first step in the Keshe Foundation’s teaching program to share its knowledge and put it into the hands of the people worldwide. Once these new technologies and their benefits are known to the general public, the leaders of every nation will need to decide how they are going to implement them for the betterment of everyone.

At that point there will be two choices: either we all work together to change the life of everybody on earth for the better through the correct patterns of conduct, or the advanced nations of the world will see in the near future a flood of immigrants in tens of thousands flocking to the major cities.

We are prepared to present the technology to your representatives in any setting so that they can understand its implications and the changes it will bring about.

From now on, we can make sure that no child or adult will die of thirst or hunger and that no nation will be attacked by another, because the potential military applications of the new technology are so horrendously destructive that we will have no choice but to accept that fighting over the resources of the planet is a thing of the past.

There has been nothing wrong with protecting national assets, but now as the leaders of small regions of the Earth it is your responsibility to see that its resources are available to be shared, and that with the help of our technology everyone’s basic needs for energy, water, food and health care are met.

The Keshe Foundation takes no account of color, nationality, religion or political affiliation, thus our call is going out to every government to appoint a team of scientists to come and see our technologies at first hand. Then they can decide whether or not to make use of them. If you ignore this invitation your nation will soon have no choice but to follow the lead of the nations who have decided to develop them.

We call on your nation to start the process of world cooperation as soon as possible because once these systems are in operation, the frontiers that separate one country from another will have no meaning.

We have set the scene for a change of course for humanity and in the coming months we will see it through. In the near future people will come to realize that we are here to serve each other and not to be served, as all resources will be available to everyone at the same time and in the same measure.

M T Keshe
The founder and caretaker director of Stichting the Keshe Foundation

If the technologies behind the claims are real then it looks as if the mass transit and oil industries have officially been put on notice.

[danceblackcatdance]

If the technologies behind the claims are real then it looks as if the mass transit and oil industries have officially been put on notice.

I've been reading up on Keshe's stuff for a while now, if it's real (and he seems very sincere) he's also hailing the end of big pharma and also the end famine & drought... good stuff!

[StarDust]

If the technologies behind the claims are real then it looks as if the mass transit and oil industries have officially been put on notice.

I've been reading up on Keshe's stuff for a while now, if it's real (and he seems very sincere) he's also hailing the end of big pharma and also the end famine & drought... good stuff!

That is my understanding of what will transpire. Good to see it manifesting.

[Bill Ryan]

What a fantastic question.
(Worth a new thread of its own...)

My immediate response: he'd sit tight, wait, watch, sit tight some more, and compile as much information about the enemy as possible -- assuming that he already knew himself very well.

When he fully understood the enemy, then he would decide how to act. At the moment, if he was one of us, he'd still be collecting information: ruling nothing in, and ruling nothing out. He'd be well aware, as one of us right now, that there was still quite a lot which he didn't know enough about.

(This is, of course, my own position. I believe I understand the global controllers maybe 80 to 90%... but the catcher is that none of us know what we don't know. Maybe I only understand 10%, or less! Hence my motivation for still looking under every stone. :) )

Bill, if you were living in the United States right now what would you do based on the 90% you think you may know?

I would leave the country.

[Jeffrey]

Or stay and fight.

[Sebastion]

I stand with you Vivek. Ain't no one running me anywhere I am not of a mind to go and I can assure you I will not live on my knees....



Or stay and fight.

[9eagle9]

The powers that be were only able to grasp power because of our failure to grasp power. Energy means an empty space will be filled eventually.

If we cannot manage ourselves something will come along and manage ourselves for us.

Wresting power from the ptb is not the sort of power , I for one , desire. It remains the only power that can be had is that which comes from ourselves.

People who are not allowed to critique, or discern by their peers are under the same scrutiny as the powers that be employ. Don't look, keep our flaws hidden so that a false show of power can be maintained.






What a fantastic question.
(Worth a new thread of its own...)

My immediate response: he'd sit tight, wait, watch, sit tight some more, and compile as much information about the enemy as possible -- assuming that he already knew himself very well.

When he fully understood the enemy, then he would decide how to act. At the moment, if he was one of us, he'd still be collecting information: ruling nothing in, and ruling nothing out. He'd be well aware, as one of us right now, that there was still quite a lot which he didn't know enough about.

(This is, of course, my own position. I believe I understand the global controllers maybe 80 to 90%... but the catcher is that none of us know what we don't know. Maybe I only understand 10%, or less! Hence my motivation for still looking under every stone. :) )

I have studied Sun Tzu and Bill is correct. It should also be said that to know your enemy, but not know yourself, is simply to be a spectator in your own destruction. You will always fall into your enemy's trap. I see this as a potential problem for many in the alternative media community. Everyone is studying the interesting opponent instead of understanding themselves, which is harder and not very much fun.

There is another aspect of Sun Tzu's teachings that applies here, though. Sun Tzu taught that you must choose the terrain of the battlefield and your position on it, and then force your opponent to engage you there. This requires patience. Your opponent will offer you enticing bait but you must not charge into battle in response. Wait and maneuver until you are the proper position and then stay there. In this way, the battle will be won before it begins.

"The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy." - Sun Tzu

[9eagle9]

Hush. It's funny , positive and inspiring to watch those who emphasize how they are 'above' criticizing others moderate others not realizing that moderation of posts is of course criticism of a post...lol.



As opposed to moderation that pragmatically understands that moderation is a form of criticism, and accepts of course that they are engaged in a function of criticism without attempting to separate themselves from that role or awkwardly attempt to rationalize they are not critical when they are obviously performing a judgement call and acts of criticism all the day long....lol.

Moderation is a public act on it's own, and really can't be hidden from the observer.

Someone who was truly non judgmental or critical would not be interested in the role of moderation. Its a bit obvious but if one doesn't want to work on a car they don't employ themselves as auto mechanics.


But for the most part I've noticed a certain pragmatism to the function "Hey I have to judge your post. It's my job to be a criticizer as opposed to "I'm criticizing you because that is my job, but I'm not critical or judgemental..."

What one may consider 'sub'- contract work.


Consider how awkward it would be take upon a role moderation which is basically a role of criticism and then straining to deny that one has a critical or judgmental bone in their body. Of course its funny to the observer but that's all it is really is.


So, calling others negative, unenlightened, living in fear, and feeding the dark side sort of comments are not considered "lower density" living. I am sure I can go back into many threads and pull up just those sort of statements by a select group who does not like my opinion or those who tend to see things along the same lines I do? You see, that is what I was referring to. Again, selective moderation. We are used to it, but it doesn't mean we have to like it.

Edit for further elucidation:

Negative is an observation of what some would see as a condition or action of another, just as hypocrite is. I note again, that some observations are perfectly acceptable here for as select few.

[Fred Steeves]

And to those that replied to my "executions are not part of the plan" All I want to say is that obviously you do not understand "good old boy" "red neck" talk...that is all that execution talk was...just a southern man thing...


Hi there Kimberley, sorry, but I just can't let that one slide. Being a native Floridian would make me a southern man I reckon, and although I'm not a redneck, I've been around them an aweful lot. Hell, I've even got a friend that just goes by "Barefoot", aptly nicknamed because of his extreme distaste for wearing shoes.

Let me tell you, there is no such thing as "just a southern man thing" as you put it. Good old boys say what they mean, and mean what they say. It's that southern respect thing. If a redneck starts talking like he's going after someone, then that certain someone would be very wise to be expecting trouble.

I'm just sayin...

Hey, you know I still love ya right?:p

[Sebastion]

I have to agree Fred! When one of them there southern boys commences to talkin in that way, well there is a reckonin coming your way probably sooner then later!







And to those that replied to my "executions are not part of the plan" All I want to say is that obviously you do not understand "good old boy" "red neck" talk...that is all that execution talk was...just a southern man thing...


Hi there Kimberley, sorry, but I just can't let that one slide. Being a native Floridian would make me a southern man I reckon, and although I'm not a redneck, I've been around them an aweful lot. Hell, I've even got a friend that just goes by "Barefoot", aptly nicknamed because of his extreme distaste for wearing shoes.

Let me tell you, there is no such thing as "just a southern man thing" as you put it. Good old boys say what they mean, and mean what they say. It's that southern respect thing. If a redneck starts talking like he's going after someone, then that certain someone would be very wise to be expecting trouble.

I'm just sayin...

Hey, you know I still love ya right?:p

[crosby]

Or stay and fight.


Vivek, I am with you on this one. my family and i are not going anywhere. we will stand right where we are until the last breath is drawn. the ptw can kiss my a$$.
regards, corson

[Christine]

Thank you for sharing this great video...I have not seen this guy before...he is very aware, IMHO, and I like what he said.

And to those that replied to my "executions are not part of the plan" All I want to say is that obviously you do not understand "good old boy" "red neck" talk...that is all that execution talk was...just a southern man thing...

And I want to again state publicly that I am not a follower of anyone!!! And I know that no one is going to save us!!! I am living a loving, fun, peaceful life and am grateful for that every second of everyday!!! And I did a lot of inner work to get to this point.

I came to planet earth to help hold the love vibration.

Dear Kimberly,

In response to your statement……

“I came to planet earth to help hold the love vibration.”

I would ask for some elucidation by asking a few questions, as a good friend of mine says “Inquiring minds need to know.”

1. Can you please give us a description of what and how the love vibration manifests?
2. What work did you do to achieve your personal state of happiness?
3. How does continually promoting Drake, who has implicated that there will be blood in the streets “hold the love vibration”?
4. Have you ever been attacked, in person, astrally or physically?
5. Are you aware that there are groups of people that train as Spiritual warriors whose work it is to dissipate and free trapped dark entities? They don’t actually just sit at the edge of a pond and meditate. It is arduous and dangerous work.
6. Have you ever encountered a dark entity telepathically or physically?
7. Is the “love vibration” doing anything to fix the problem of Fukushima and the radiation that is spewing into the Pacific Ocean and atmosphere? If so can you please describe the mechanism of this.
8. What evidence do you have to substantiate the claims that Drake is making?

The veil of self deception and hypocrisy is the hardest to penetrate. I am not accusing you of anything and only ask these questions because they are the questions I ask myself.

You may be doing more than anyone knows and that is good, but…. IMHO that fact that you continuously uphold the Drake material and “believe” though you say you “don’t follow anyone” bears asking these questions.

La Tigra

[9eagle9]

A repost from this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47158-As-12-21-2012-approaches-how-are-you-all-feeling

Yes it does have something to do with Drake and his adherents and may explain why they experience a bit of conflict in this arena from certain areas.


The date is a major occult date for the ritualistic powers that be, one that has been awaited for for a long time, and is the convergence point that all previous rituals that have gone before have been aimed for. The powers that be would like all your attention on that time frame as that will give more power to whatever rite they plan for during that time. It's Major cycle date where major rites are initiated, and this occult date is a time that only comes around very rarely over the ages and cycles of times that are arranged in an occult way. The powers that be have waited for this date for a long time because its important to them and the designs they have for themselves and their herd for the future.

Without our participation they cannot succeed in this means of creating reality. So they have to get your agreement and participation.

To make whatever they have planned the optimal manifestation they need more power, therefore they need a lot of people besides themselves focusing on that time frame, it lends energy they otherwise would not have because there's just not that many of them.

Whatever rite they initiate in you may not be aware of of in the least but the effects of it and your participation of it will be known further on down the road.

Yes there will be a major ritualistic even at the Olympics, the Olympics themselves is a ritual....right? It occurs every four years for the ptb to feed on. That is the event that people are waiting for....so there it is! The big occult IS the Olympics, no news there it happens every four years. I'ts a major part of their breeding/feeding program that even the athletes particpating may have no idea they are involved in although I suspect some do.

No one is testing for steroids during the Olympics they take blood samples. You are talking about the mentally disciplined, the most endocrinic and hormonally perfect people (herds) in the world that the Olympics gimbols around. It's a bit obvious why they want the best of the herd jumping through hoops during this time.

This is all done with our agreement of course.

Take July 4th, America's indepenence day. Big day to raise a lot of energy to celebrate the 'thought' they are free but we are actually giving our agreement to the fact that we are not free at all, and celebrating that. And so we a lot of energy in that one day, binding our own prison, doing the usual rituals associated with rites, lights, fire, feasting that accompany any other ritual or holiday (holy-day). A quick mid summer pick me up for the powers that be that manage our energy.

Look at the Drake situation where we had to have all our focus on July 4th for basically the same reason that I'm a quite sure that Drake inspite of all his claims of being superior in knowledge of the occult was entirely not aware of. Because he is not an occult practitioner, he is a occult thinker who thinks he knows how this sort of occult ritual works even as he is generating energy for it by fanning his fan flames, and his fans are eagerly participating in it.

An orgy without the genitalia involved. Basic powers that be energy raising masked as something else. Not hard to mask stuff by re-labeling it as something else.

We do not free ourselves from the occult prison the powers that be have created for us by expending energy towards their ritualistic practices. Participating in them in a energetic way.

Is it ANY coincidence the whole Drake 4th of July blow-a-thon and the Olympics are coincident. No it involves the high rites of two major player countries that are prominent in the occult program of the powers that be--Great Britain (particularly London the seat of all this crap) and the US. Just another steering of the convergence point that is December 21st, 2012.


My lack of support for 12-21-2012 , Fourth of July , Drake and his assholery is not because I'm un-spiritual or even unpatriotic, I'm not really given to participating in satanic rituals....his supporters seem to enjoy the energy raised for the powers that be in this way because they are ignorant of what they are doing.

People are free to make agreement with this sort of energy that keeps them bound, even as they complain how they are imprisoned by it but there is no person on earth that can make me respect this nor participate in it. I'm certainly not going to be overly complimentary to those who participate in it.


Laughing at the powers that be and particularly the occult way they bite people through the bag is good way to drag that energy generated by the hapless so it loses its anticipated effectiveness.

I am after all not a very nice person but I am not helping others to create their own prison.

I might add that while Drakes detractors are not entirely aware of this phenom they are sensing something is amiss on an intuitive level which is why the vitriole associated perhaps doesn't merit just one man and his band of dizzy followers, there's something a bit more dense lurking around it all...and people sense that.

[Belle]

And to those that replied to my "executions are not part of the plan" All I want to say is that obviously you do not understand "good old boy" "red neck" talk...that is all that execution talk was...just a southern man thing...


Hi there Kimberley, sorry, but I just can't let that one slide. Being a native Floridian would make me a southern man I reckon, and although I'm not a redneck, I've been around them an aweful lot. Hell, I've even got a friend that just goes by "Barefoot", aptly nicknamed because of his extreme distaste for wearing shoes.

Let me tell you, there is no such thing as "just a southern man thing" as you put it. Good old boys say what they mean, and mean what they say. It's that southern respect thing. If a redneck starts talking like he's going after someone, then that certain someone would be very wise to be expecting trouble.

I'm just sayin...

Hey, you know I still love ya right?:p

Sebastion seconded that...and I third it.

Was married to a cajun (coon ass) for 15 years...five of which was spent living in Louisiana. Trust me, they don't threaten...they warn.

Never violence for violence sake...but payback can be a bitch if you do them wrong.

Empty threats create a lack of credibility. Say what you mean, and mean what you say.

[Ishtar]

In any case, whether or not this is 'just the southern way' is not the point. Kimberley, you've been spending too long with Drake, because you just did a classic Drakeism. Your reply to us, if you hadn't been infected by these narcissistic habits, would have been something like:

"OK guys, Mea culpa. I was wrong. I made a mistake. I'm sorry, I was wrong to yell at you guys that Drake had never mentioned executions, when it now turns out, he has ...several times. So I apologise ... but ... I would also like to point out that maybe you do not understand "good old boy" "red neck" talk...that is all that execution talk was...just a southern man thing... "

But instead of admitting you were wrong and out of order, you threw up a load of pink smoke and tried to redirect the discussion into our purported ignorance of the idiosyncracies of those who live in the deep South ~ which we've also managed to debunk thoroughly anyway.

In the same way, what would convince me that Drake is not a narcissist would be if he came on the radio and said something like:

"Guys, I'm sorry. I promised you the best 4th of July ever. Instead, for most of us, including me, it has turned out to be the worst 4th July ever. I do apologise. I built up your expectations. I did it in all honesty, based on the information I was getting. But I take responsibility for it not turning out as I predicted... Now, here's what I think we should do next..."

Instead, he didn't even acknowledge people's expecations but continued on with a litany of so-called 'news' of events that were nothing to do with him and associates, and were in any case, out of date, and claimed them as proof that the 'plan' was working.

I'd like to be clear, I'm not accusing you, Kimberley, of being a narcissist. But that kind of bad behaviour and lack of respect for people (in not acknowledging a transaction that has taken place, but riding roughshod over it and carrying on) rubs off, and it now appears to have rubbed off on you.

[9eagle9]

Because as i noted before Drake and his followers are not operating around exactly pure orientations of energy. They are ignorant of this fact. Nor do they wish to be informed of what is occurring here so must deny any participation in it.

The best on can do is operate for those who are not busily hammering down the coffin lid on their last remaining bit of AUTHENTIC sovereignty.

[gripreaper]

The date is a major occult date for the ritualistic powers that be, one that has been awaited for for a long time, and is the convergence point that all previous rituals that have gone before have been aimed for. The powers that be would like all your attention on that time frame as that will give more power to whatever rite they plan for during that time. It's Major cycle date where major rites are initiated, and this occult date is a time that only comes around very rarely over the ages and cycles of times that are arranged in an occult way. The powers that be have waited for this date for a long time because its important to them and the designs they have for themselves and their herd for the future.

It's all about power and energy. Who has it, who wants it, who can hold it and focus it, etc.

There are several threads on this Forum discussing the Archon's and how they are energy vampires because they do not hold the feminine vibration of the heart and the ability to emote and have empathy, and how they are vampiring our energy. There are just as many threads on how we can generate life force, hold it, focus it and have a Kundalini awakening.

This is at the crux of the "grand experiment" here on earth. The evil Archon's may be planning the mother of all human sacrifices to offer up the life force energy of 2/3 of the humans on this planet to their god's...OR we could awaken and hold enough life force and enough intention to where we manifest the future we want.

If we don't figure this out then I think were screwed. The Pleiadian's and the Orion's both know this. The hybridization, which has occurred here on earth, was designed to exchange the external technological prowess for the internal spiritual prowess, and meld these two into a species which would hold both, and give both a way to survive.

Kimberly is correct that we need to learn to embrace the inner spiritual prowess, yet those who are looking at the external technology and how it is manifesting and being used, without the internal, are also correct. Bill is indicating that they may be getting ready to abandon the experiment in the "Ultimate hypothesis" and is recommending, based on his 90% worldview, which could just be 10%, that we are in for a rough ride, especially in the United States.

But, regardless of where we are, we are energetic beings WHO MUST take charge of our own energy fields, quit giving our energy away to saviors, learn how to use our energy righteously (right use of energy) and manifest the future we want.

As long as the elite can create divisiveness and feed us the dialectics they want us to argue about, their agenda rolls along. This whole thread is most likely one of those dialectics.

[Ishtar]

Gripreaper, I have a lot of respect for you and your views, but I have to say, you've just come up with a whole scenario regarding ETs for which we have no evidence is true, and then used that false and unproven premise to posit a theory leading to the conclusion that we shouldn't post in here.

You are entitled to your beliefs...

But I think this has been one of the best and most useful discussions I've ever taken part in, and it's why I come back here again and again, to read such interesting, well written posts (including your own) and deep and well-thought out ideas that I can take away and think about.

There is nothing essentially in this thread that can give any comfort to the powers-that-be apart from the obvious blind and unquestioning devotion to an extremely fallible and unreliable leader.

[Sierra]

I'd like to be clear, I'm not accusing you, Kimberley, of being a narcissist. But that kind of bad behaviour and lack of respect for people (in not acknowledging a transaction that has taken place, but riding roughshod over it and carrying on) rubs off, and it now appears to have rubbed off on you.

Oh good! Given that the definition of Narcissism is:

nar·cis·sism   [nahr-suh-siz-em]
noun
1.
inordinate fascination with oneself; excessive self-love; vanity. Synonyms: self-centeredness, smugness, egocentrism.
2.
Psychoanalysis . erotic gratification derived from admiration of one's own physical or mental attributes, being a normal condition at the infantile level of personality development.


Let's not attach labels to members, it really isn't useful. As for who has been ridden roughshod in the last 3,000 plus posts, let's be honest here as well. The evidence is on the thread. I much prefer the "respectful" questioning of La Tigra here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more&p=518808&viewfull=1#post518808

... just as an example of how to make a point in a respectful manner without calling fellow Avalon members names.

Sierra

[9eagle9]

I might add participating in this sort of thing is not "holding love vibration" .

Being fully cognizant through one's clearing out process of the things that La Tigra has emphasized would be holding a love vibration. Love doesn't have to be held, it has to have a space created for it and when the space is filled up with all this low density matter its pushed aside for surface ego emotions that pass as love, which is more like attachment and emotional manipulation.



A repost from this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47158-As-12-21-2012-approaches-how-are-you-all-feeling

Yes it does have something to do with Drake and his adherents and may explain why they experience a bit of conflict in this arena from certain areas.


The date is a major occult date for the ritualistic powers that be, one that has been awaited for for a long time, and is the convergence point that all previous rituals that have gone before have been aimed for. The powers that be would like all your attention on that time frame as that will give more power to whatever rite they plan for during that time. It's Major cycle date where major rites are initiated, and this occult date is a time that only comes around very rarely over the ages and cycles of times that are arranged in an occult way. The powers that be have waited for this date for a long time because its important to them and the designs they have for themselves and their herd for the future.

Without our participation they cannot succeed in this means of creating reality. So they have to get your agreement and participation.

To make whatever they have planned the optimal manifestation they need more power, therefore they need a lot of people besides themselves focusing on that time frame, it lends energy they otherwise would not have because there's just not that many of them.

Whatever rite they initiate in you may not be aware of of in the least but the effects of it and your participation of it will be known further on down the road.

Yes there will be a major ritualistic even at the Olympics, the Olympics themselves is a ritual....right? It occurs every four years for the ptb to feed on. That is the event that people are waiting for....so there it is! The big occult IS the Olympics, no news there it happens every four years. I'ts a major part of their breeding/feeding program that even the athletes particpating may have no idea they are involved in although I suspect some do.

No one is testing for steroids during the Olympics they take blood samples. You are talking about the mentally disciplined, the most endocrinic and hormonally perfect people (herds) in the world that the Olympics gimbols around. It's a bit obvious why they want the best of the herd jumping through hoops during this time.

This is all done with our agreement of course.

Take July 4th, America's indepenence day. Big day to raise a lot of energy to celebrate the 'thought' they are free but we are actually giving our agreement to the fact that we are not free at all, and celebrating that. And so we a lot of energy in that one day, binding our own prison, doing the usual rituals associated with rites, lights, fire, feasting that accompany any other ritual or holiday (holy-day). A quick mid summer pick me up for the powers that be that manage our energy.

Look at the Drake situation where we had to have all our focus on July 4th for basically the same reason that I'm a quite sure that Drake inspite of all his claims of being superior in knowledge of the occult was entirely not aware of. Because he is not an occult practitioner, he is a occult thinker who thinks he knows how this sort of occult ritual works even as he is generating energy for it by fanning his fan flames, and his fans are eagerly participating in it.

An orgy without the genitalia involved. Basic powers that be energy raising masked as something else. Not hard to mask stuff by re-labeling it as something else.

We do not free ourselves from the occult prison the powers that be have created for us by expending energy towards their ritualistic practices. Participating in them in a energetic way.

Is it ANY coincidence the whole Drake 4th of July blow-a-thon and the Olympics are coincident. No it involves the high rites of two major player countries that are prominent in the occult program of the powers that be--Great Britain (particularly London the seat of all this crap) and the US. Just another steering of the convergence point that is December 21st, 2012.


My lack of support for 12-21-2012 , Fourth of July , Drake and his assholery is not because I'm un-spiritual or even unpatriotic, I'm not really given to participating in satanic rituals....his supporters seem to enjoy the energy raised for the powers that be in this way because they are ignorant of what they are doing.

People are free to make agreement with this sort of energy that keeps them bound, even as they complain how they are imprisoned by it but there is no person on earth that can make me respect this nor participate in it. I'm certainly not going to be overly complimentary to those who participate in it.


Laughing at the powers that be and particularly the occult way they bite people through the bag is good way to drag that energy generated by the hapless so it loses its anticipated effectiveness.

I am after all not a very nice person but I am not helping others to create their own prison.

I might add that while Drakes detractors are not entirely aware of this phenom they are sensing something is amiss on an intuitive level which is why the vitriole associated perhaps doesn't merit just one man and his band of dizzy followers, there's something a bit more dense lurking around it all...and people sense that.

[Ishtar]

... just as an example of how to make a point in a respectful manner without calling fellow Avalon members names.

Sierra

I think you need to read my post again Sierra. I made it very clear that I was not calling Kimberley a narcissist.



I'd like to be clear, I'm not accusing you, Kimberley, of being a narcissist.

I called her out on her behaviour towards members here, and I have a right to do that. You have the right to disagree, but don't call it modding, because it's not.

[9eagle9]

Is the clinical definition of Narcissism the same as the energy one carries?

The ptb defined what a Narcissist is , energetically and authentically it's quite something else.

Hmm quite possibly a topic for another thread.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

And to those that replied to my "executions are not part of the plan" All I want to say is that obviously you do not understand "good old boy" "red neck" talk...that is all that execution talk was...just a southern man thing...


Hi there Kimberley, sorry, but I just can't let that one slide. Being a native Floridian would make me a southern man I reckon, and although I'm not a redneck, I've been around them an aweful lot. Hell, I've even got a friend that just goes by "Barefoot", aptly nicknamed because of his extreme distaste for wearing shoes.

Let me tell you, there is no such thing as "just a southern man thing" as you put it. Good old boys say what they mean, and mean what they say. It's that southern respect thing. If a redneck starts talking like he's going after someone, then that certain someone would be very wise to be expecting trouble.

I'm just sayin...

Hey, you know I still love ya right?:p

I will take Fred's word for it since he is a southern boy.

For someone who is attempting to lead others as Mister Drake is, such statements are at best wildly irresponsible. There is no excuse.

And no, the "just the messenger" dodge of responsibility will not fly.

[gripreaper]

Gripreaper, I have a lot of respect for you and your views, but I have to say, you've just come up with a whole scenario regarding ETs for which we have no evidence is true, and then used that false and unproven premise to posit a theory leading to the conclusion that we shouldn't post in here.

I'm not sure where you got that conclusion from what I wrote. It's not a hypothesis of mine that we have been visited or manipulated by off world entities, both now and for the last several hundred thousand years. I think there is enough evidence to substantiate that. Sure, what might transpire in the future, or what their internal intentions are is speculation, but I do think is is still healthy to make inferences based on what we do know.


But I think this has been one of the best and most useful discussions I've ever taken part in, and it's why I come back here again and again, to read such interesting, well written posts (including your own) and deep and well-thought out ideas that I can take away and think about.

This thread has been a commentary on many things, including the polarized states we still bounce off of, as well as the memes we cling to, and the ability to still think critically and evolve and change, or not. I don't know where you got that we shouldn't post in here.

The salient point was about energy, life force, the very essence of the cosmos, which is in all things and IS all things, and how it forms and transforms, and how we might move in the direction of unifying the polarities and stop bouncing off the polarized opposites so much. The idea of unifying the external technology with the internal is not an idea of mine and as far as I know, is not new.

[Sierra]

... just as an example of how to make a point in a respectful manner without calling fellow Avalon members names.

Sierra

I think you need to read my post again Sierra. I made it very clear that I was not calling Kimberley a narcissist.



I'd like to be clear, I'm not accusing you, Kimberley, of being a narcissist.

I called her out on her behaviour towards members here, and I have a right to do that. You have the right to disagree, but don't call it modding, because it's not.

Yes, you said you weren't but you did. If you want to call a member out, be respectful, and don't throw in words that could be considered trolling.


... Your reply to us, if you hadn't been infected by these narcissistic habits ...


I'd like to be clear, I'm not accusing you, Kimberley, of being a narcissist. But that kind of bad behaviour and lack of respect for people (in not acknowledging a transaction that has taken place, but riding roughshod over it and carrying on) rubs off, and it now appears to have rubbed off on you.

"that kind of behavior" directly references back to narcisissm. Indeed, one could say you rode roughshod over "it".

Sierra

[Sierra]

I might add participating in this sort of thing is not "holding love vibration" .

Being fully cognizant through one's clearing out process of the things that La Tigra has emphasized would be holding a love vibration. Love doesn't have to be held, it has to have a space created for it and when the space is filled up with all this low density matter its pushed aside for surface ego emotions that pass as love, which is more like attachment and emotional manipulation.

You are entitled to your judgements on the subject matter of this thread. You are not entitled to judge where someone else is on their spiritual path, and make comments about that person. That would take loving energy and as you say about yourself repeatedly, you are not a loving person, so I am not quite sure why you speak of a subject you have self defined yourself as lacking.

Any more personal, demeaning comments about members, and I will edit them out. Attack public figures, not Avalon members. You *did* agree to this when you joined Avalon.

Sierra

[Ishtar]

Yes, I agree, Grip-reaper, it's not your own idea...

But it is one that most of the population will not accept until there is better evidence, and so far, I haven't seen any, and so I am in that category and would be disappointed to see this useful discussion end on the basis of something that I don't believe in.

Just my two cents... and thanks for all your great posts.

[Ishtar]

... just as an example of how to make a point in a respectful manner without calling fellow Avalon members names.

Sierra

I think you need to read my post again Sierra. I made it very clear that I was not calling Kimberley a narcissist.



I'd like to be clear, I'm not accusing you, Kimberley, of being a narcissist.

I called her out on her behaviour towards members here, and I have a right to do that. You have the right to disagree, but don't call it modding, because it's not.

Yes, you said you weren't but you did. If you want to call a member out, be respectful, and don't throw in words that could be considered trolling.


I'd like to be clear, I'm not accusing you, Kimberley, of being a narcissist. But that kind of bad behaviour and lack of respect for people (in not acknowledging a transaction that has taken place, but riding roughshod over it and carrying on) rubs off, and it now appears to have rubbed off on you.

"that kind of behavior" directly references back to narcisissm. Indeed, one could say you rode roughshod over "it".

Sierra


I believe that not only was I respectful, but I showed Kimberley far more respect that she showed us in not admitting that she had yelled at us wrongly.

I was nowhere near trolling ...

But now I'm going to say something that will probably get me thrown off here.

Sierra, you showed gross disrespect to Unified Serenity yesterday ... by taunting her with a mocking, playground rhyme.

As a mod, you have to model the behaviour you want to see. It's the only way it ever works.

Unified Serenity and I have had our differences in the past, and probably will have them again, but it was not very nice to see you hiding behind your title of 'mod' to attack her in very disrespectful and bullying terms. Now you're trying it on with me, throwing around words like 'troll' when in my post, I was entirely in keeping with the other posts in this thread.

I have been enjoying the discussions in this thread for a long time, whereas you've just showed up here and have instantly begun to treat members in disrespectful and in a bullying way by using the cover of your mod title.

At the very least, if you're going to post like that, I would recommend you say something like 'mod hat off' before posting, so that it's an even playing field.

[9eagle9]

So I expect that you will be apologizing for stating that my posts were rude shortly? Instead of simply editing them out without comment you inserted in rude (lol) blaring red letters that a forum member (myself) was rude. Which is a personal judgement against a forum member who would be me.

I'm kidding (laffs and slaps knee) i don't really expect you are going to do that.




I might add participating in this sort of thing is not "holding love vibration" .

Being fully cognizant through one's clearing out process of the things that La Tigra has emphasized would be holding a love vibration. Love doesn't have to be held, it has to have a space created for it and when the space is filled up with all this low density matter its pushed aside for surface ego emotions that pass as love, which is more like attachment and emotional manipulation.

You are entitled to your judgements on the subject matter of this thread. You are not entitled to judge where someone else is on their spiritual path, and make comments about that person. That would take loving energy and as you say about yourself repeatedly, you are not a loving person, so I am not quite sure why you speak of a subject you have self defined yourself as lacking.

Any more personal, demeaning comments about members, and I will edit them out. Attack public figures, not Avalon members. You *did* agree to this when you joined Avalon.

Sierra

[Sierra]

... just as an example of how to make a point in a respectful manner without calling fellow Avalon members names.

Sierra

I think you need to read my post again Sierra. I made it very clear that I was not calling Kimberley a narcissist.



I'd like to be clear, I'm not accusing you, Kimberley, of being a narcissist.

I called her out on her behaviour towards members here, and I have a right to do that. You have the right to disagree, but don't call it modding, because it's not.

Yes, you said you weren't but you did. If you want to call a member out, be respectful, and don't throw in words that could be considered trolling.


I'd like to be clear, I'm not accusing you, Kimberley, of being a narcissist. But that kind of bad behaviour and lack of respect for people (in not acknowledging a transaction that has taken place, but riding roughshod over it and carrying on) rubs off, and it now appears to have rubbed off on you.

"that kind of behavior" directly references back to narcisissm. Indeed, one could say you rode roughshod over "it".

Sierra


I believe that not only was I respectful, but I showed Kimberely more respect that she showed us in not admitting that she had yelled at us wrongly.

I was nowhere near trolling ...

But now I'm going to say something that will probably get me thrown off here.

Sierra, you showed gross disrespect to Unified Serenity yesterday ... by taunting her with a mocking, playground rhyme.

Unified Serenity and I have had our differences, and probably will have them again, but it was not very nice to see you hiding behind you title of 'mod' to attack her in very disrespectful and bullying terms. Now you're trying it on with me, throwing around words like 'troll' when in my post, I was entirely in keeping with the other posts in this thread. I have been enjoying the discussions in here for a long time, whereas you've just showed up and started treating members in here disrespectfully, using the cover of your mod title.

At the very least, if you're going post like that, I would recommend you say something like 'mod hat off' before posting, so that it's an even playing field.

There is a reason I have "suddenly" shown up on this thread. The insulting and bullying of fellow members has gotten out of line. Bottom line: There is a change on this thread. IF you attack members rather than public figures, you will be held accountable to the guidelines. That is how I define trolling.

This is a moderated forum. If you don't like being moderated, moderate yourself, I don't know what else to tell you. There are so many people on Avalon who don't have a problem with this, understand the reasons for the guidelines, and act accordingly. I have never seen Kimberley attack a member on a personal level, defining them, describing them in negative terms.

1a. Noun troll
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.

1b. Noun
A person who, on a message forum of some type, attacks and flames other members of the forum for any of a number of reasons such as rank, previous disagreements, sex, status, ect.
A troll usually flames threads without staying on topic, unlike a "Flamer" who flames a thread because he/she disagrees with the content of the thread.

Sierra

[Sierra]

So I expect that you will be apologizing for stating that my posts were rude shortly? Instead of simply editing them out without comment you inserted in rude (lol) blaring red letters that a forum member (myself) was rude. Which is a personal judgement against a forum member who would be me.

I'm kidding (laffs and slaps knee) i don't really expect you are going to do that.

You have a wonderful grip on reality. :) If you prefer I simply edit them out, I will do so. Can't speak for the other mods though, who do the same thing to your posts.

Sierra

[Ishtar]

See, there you go again, Sierra, hiding behind your mod hat and throwing the rule book at someone just because they said something that was uncomfortable to you as a person.

I made it very clear that I was describing Kimberley's behaviour not an intrinsic part of her character in negative terms. And her behaviour was rude and disrespectful... as was your's to Unified Serenity yesterday.

[Sierra]

See, there you go again, Sierra, hiding behind your mod hat and throwing the rule book at someone just because they said something that was uncomfortable to you as a person.


Well that is quite the assumption! Can't throw the rulebook at someone unless they break the rules though.

Sierra

[SKAWF]

There is nothing essentially in this thread that can give any comfort to the powers-that-be apart from the obvious blind and unquestioning devotion to an extremely fallible and unreliable leader.

how about....

that all they have to do now.....
is keep presenting us with fake stories....
some, deliberately laced with things to get 100% of your attention
knowing that intelligent people will respond
by coming out with the most aggressive and mocking responses imaginable
thereby lowering their own operating frequency?

distracted, held, lowered and subdued.

i truly believe that ALL they really want...... is our attention.
the more corrupted the external world becomes
the more will switch off to it. that only leaves the internal
when you see that everything else is messed up
you become the most reliable guide you have

[9eagle9]

The 'other' mods, as I see that you differentiate yourself from them, don't treat my posts in quite the same sub contracted way, no.

[Sierra]

The 'other' mods, as I see that you differentiate yourself from them, don't treat my posts in quite the same sub contracted way, no.

You have my sympathy. Let me make my agenda clear again. Quit insulting fellow members of Avalon, and I will vanish from your view.

Sierra

[Unified Serenity]

Somehow it's ok to call people as negative, of lower vibrational and out of touch, spiritually unenlightened, living in fear, sharing fear porn, and other character judgements of them while saying someone is a hypocrite is against the rules. The thread has gone off course because there is selective moderation. That being said, I think we all have a really good idea that Drake et all are full of crap and nothing is happening though we would like it to.

Bahahaaaa, mod's gone wild! Sierra, you are amazingly cute, adorable and I wish to thank you for editing my post. Energetics seems to elude you. Welcome to my playground.

[Fred Steeves]

http://www.animated-gifs.eu/smilies-sports-tennis/0010.gif

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Hey everybody! Let's just walk away from this thread until we actually see the top members of the cabal in handcuffs. Let's try to prevent this thread from getting 4000 replies! I agree with Bill that it is a HUGE distraction now that so many deadlines have come and gone without results. Ok last post on this thread i promise!

-AIJ

[9eagle9]

You more often end up in my private email box moderating me which is hardly from my view. I did after all keep the PM's as cherished artifacts of your regard for me. No other moderator carries on the moderation like you do Sierra, and that is a compliment .





The 'other' mods, as I see that you differentiate yourself from them, don't treat my posts in quite the same sub contracted way, no.

You have my sympathy. Let me make my agenda clear again. Quit insulting fellow members of Avalon, and I will vanish from your view.

Sierra

[Sierra]

Somehow it's ok to call people as negative, of lower vibrational and out of touch, spiritually unenlightened, living in fear, sharing fear porn, and other character judgements of them while saying someone is a hypocrite is against the rules. The thread has gone off course because there is selective moderation. That being said, I think we all have a really good idea that Drake et all are full of crap and nothing is happening though we would like it to.


Yes, I said your posts were negative, i.e. attacking others. The phrases "of lower vibrational", "out of touch", "spiritually unenlightened", "living in fear", "sharing fear porn" are not things I have ever said about any member of Avalon.

"Selective" moderation, i.e. posts insulting other members, will continue.

You are entitled to your opinions re Drake, though assuming "we all have a really good idea that Drake et all are full of crap and nothing is happening though we would like it to." may be a bit unrealistic. I have not posted on Drake, and therefore, your assumption may be completely erroneous.

Sierra

[Unified Serenity]

Somehow it's ok to call people as negative, of lower vibrational and out of touch, spiritually unenlightened, living in fear, sharing fear porn, and other character judgements of them while saying someone is a hypocrite is against the rules. The thread has gone off course because there is selective moderation. That being said, I think we all have a really good idea that Drake et all are full of crap and nothing is happening though we would like it to.


Yes, I said your posts were negative, i.e. attacking others. The phrases "of lower vibrational", "out of touch", "spiritually unenlightened", "living in fear", "sharing fear porn" are not things I have ever said about any member of Avalon.

"Selective" moderation, i.e. posts insulting other members, will continue.

You are entitled to your opinions re Drake, though assuming "we all have a really good idea that Drake et all are full of crap and nothing is happening though we would like it to." may be a bit unrealistic. I have not posted on Drake, and therefore, your assumption may be completely erroneous.

Sierra

Boy, you really are locked into a paradigm of not understanding my complaints. You do not moderate those who do make such claims about me, 9E9, Ishtar etc.. You are quite nicely showing your blind bias. Thank you for admitting it so openly. You can't even see the attacks against our character, but boy you sure to watch our posts. You are such a good lil mod, and we all thank you for serving the community and showing us how far we have to grow.

[Sierra]

You more often end up in my private email box moderating me which is hardly from my view. I did after all keep the PM's as cherished artifacts of your regard for me. No other moderator carries on the moderation like you do Sierra, and that is a compliment .

Yes and I have kept mine too ... :)

Surely you mean a left handed compliment.

Sierra

[gripreaper]

http://www.animated-gifs.eu/smilies-sports-tennis/0010.gif

I like this one Fred, because you need to have an audience too.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7016/692899pa6.gif

This thread has polarized several times in the last 90 days since Drake came on the scene. I'm somewhat surprised it held together as long as it did!

[Sierra]

Somehow it's ok to call people as negative, of lower vibrational and out of touch, spiritually unenlightened, living in fear, sharing fear porn, and other character judgements of them while saying someone is a hypocrite is against the rules. The thread has gone off course because there is selective moderation. That being said, I think we all have a really good idea that Drake et all are full of crap and nothing is happening though we would like it to.


Yes, I said your posts were negative, i.e. attacking others. The phrases "of lower vibrational", "out of touch", "spiritually unenlightened", "living in fear", "sharing fear porn" are not things I have ever said about any member of Avalon.

"Selective" moderation, i.e. posts insulting other members, will continue.

You are entitled to your opinions re Drake, though assuming "we all have a really good idea that Drake et all are full of crap and nothing is happening though we would like it to." may be a bit unrealistic. I have not posted on Drake, and therefore, your assumption may be completely erroneous.

Sierra

Boy, you really are locked into a paradigm of not understanding my complaints. You do not moderate those who do make such claims about me, 9E9, Ishtar etc.. You are quite nicely showing your blind bias. Thank you for admitting it so openly. You can't even see the attacks against our character, but boy you sure to watch our posts. You are such a good lil mod, and we all thank you for serving the community and showing us how far we have to grow.

You are welcome. :)

Now if members would be "good lil" members and not insult fellow Avaloners I'd ghost away like a boojun.

Sierra

[Unified Serenity]

Somehow it's ok to call people as negative, of lower vibrational and out of touch, spiritually unenlightened, living in fear, sharing fear porn, and other character judgements of them while saying someone is a hypocrite is against the rules. The thread has gone off course because there is selective moderation. That being said, I think we all have a really good idea that Drake et all are full of crap and nothing is happening though we would like it to.


Yes, I said your posts were negative, i.e. attacking others. The phrases "of lower vibrational", "out of touch", "spiritually unenlightened", "living in fear", "sharing fear porn" are not things I have ever said about any member of Avalon.

"Selective" moderation, i.e. posts insulting other members, will continue.

You are entitled to your opinions re Drake, though assuming "we all have a really good idea that Drake et all are full of crap and nothing is happening though we would like it to." may be a bit unrealistic. I have not posted on Drake, and therefore, your assumption may be completely erroneous.

Sierra

Boy, you really are locked into a paradigm of not understanding my complaints. You do not moderate those who do make such claims about me, 9E9, Ishtar etc.. You are quite nicely showing your blind bias. Thank you for admitting it so openly. You can't even see the attacks against our character, but boy you sure to watch our posts. You are such a good lil mod, and we all thank you for serving the community and showing us how far we have to grow.

You are welcome. :)

Now if members would be "good lil" members and not insult fellow Avaloners I'd ghost away like a boojun.

Sierra

Oh, you will have a chokehold on the fifth chakra for some time Sierra, but as you are showing what appears to me as blind bias, you won't have a clue what I am talking about. As above so below, and mirror mirror is the most ancient of truths.

[9eagle9]

Yes the left hand is aware of what the right hand is doing. There isn't a south paw in the forum that's not.

(Left hand): You called Unified Serenity a clueless ******* therefore you are moderated (right hand) for calling names, you dumb *******! [/QUOTE]

[Sierra]

You are welcome. :)

Now if members would be "good lil" members and not insult fellow Avaloners I'd ghost away like a boojun.

Sierra

Oh, you will have a chokehold on the fifth chakra for some time Sierra, but as you are showing what appears to me as blind bias, you won't have a clue what I am talking about. As above so below, and mirror mirror is the most ancient of truths.

I couldn't grab someone's (or mine) chakra if my life depended on it.

Why don't you PM me on my blind bias. You have been attributing quite a few things to me that I never said, and you have not responded to my pointing this out.

I guess this would be an example of "roughshod" behavior ..

Sierra

[Kristin]

Whoa! Ok ladies (Wormhole walks in and digs mud out of her eye), One heck of a powerhouse group here I might add. First let me start and say that I have the utmost respect for all of you. That is on an intellectual and spiritual level in all cases. It would show the most grace in this situation if all of you agreed to take a deep breath with regards to a few of the posts that I have been recently reading on this thread. We are all trying to be more diplomatic with respect to those that disagree with certain aspects of our own personal philosophies. That is a good thing. In many cases we need to bite our tongues when we feel that a way of thinking is not correct. I agree that it is important for Mods to show the greatest care in creating responses to posts as well as all the other forum members. Sometimes we could do a better job, but in most cases we do our best and we have a great forum as a result.

I feel that it is of the utmost importance that people are allowed to speak their minds and be honest with regards to their opinions about any given topic that this forum brings up. Doing this with respect for others and their opinions without being overtly confrontational is indeed possible. Sometimes people will take offence no matter how you word an opinion. But we are not perfect and this does not mean that there is an open door to shovel more in if another disregards being civil. That's why we are here as Mods, to aid these uncomfortable times and try to smooth things out.

All I'm trying to say here in a nutshell is let's (all of us) put our best foot forward. The issues involving Drake are important. It's intense for those that believe in it and it's just as intense for those that don't. For those that do... all their trust and hopes are going into this and they want so badly to see things improve. It's hard for them to understand why people are not backing this. For those that don't... the people on the Drake side look blind. Why can't they shake off the dust and see the real picture? It's just plain dangerous for them and us.

Tough one. But what's even tougher is when we get caught up with the emotions and turn to clever semantics. Posts are no longer about trying to enlighten others, they become about how to mask rebuttals in a way that is still slinging mud into the conversation. Everyone gets caught in this quicksand and we are no longer having a conversation about Drake. Instead we are pulling out mirrors and trying to get others to see themselves as wrong. Oh yes, there are imperfections everywhere in our psyches. That conversation will be endless until all folks involved have reached enlightenment.... could take a long time I would wager.

So we are here to talk about Drake? No? :horn: game on.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

[Unified Serenity]

Whoa! Ok ladies (Wormhole walks in and digs mud out of her eye), One heck of a powerhouse group here I might add. First let me start and say that I have the utmost respect for all of you. That is on an intellectual and spiritual level in all cases. It would show the most grace in this situation if all of you agreed to take a deep breath with regards to a few of the posts that I have been recently reading on this thread. We are all trying to be more diplomatic with respect to those that disagree with certain aspects of our own personal philosophies. That is a good thing. In many cases we need to bite our tongues when we feel that a way of thinking is not correct. I agree that it is important for Mods to show the greatest care in creating responses to posts as well as all the other forum members. Sometimes we could do a better job, but in most cases we do our best and we have a great forum as a result.

I feel that it is of the utmost importance that people are allowed to speak their minds and be honest with regards to their opinions about any given topic that this forum brings up. Doing this with respect for others and their opinions without being overtly confrontational is indeed possible. Sometimes people will take offence no matter how you word an opinion. But we are not perfect and this does not mean that there is an open door to shovel more in if another disregards being civil. That's why we are here as Mods, to aid these uncomfortable times and try to smooth things out.

All I'm trying to say here in a nutshell is let's (all of us) put our best foot forward. The issues involving Drake are important. It's intense for those that believe in it and it's just as intense for those that don't. For those that do... all their trust and hopes are going into this and they want so badly to see things improve. It's hard for them to understand why people are not backing this. For those that don't... the people on the Drake side look blind. Why can't they shake off the dust and see the real picture? It's just plain dangerous for them and us.

Tough one. But what's even tougher is when we get caught up with the emotions and turn to clever semantics. Posts are no longer about trying to enlighten others, they become about how to mask rebuttals in a way that is still slinging mud into the conversation. Everyone gets caught in this quicksand and we are no longer having a conversation about Drake. Instead we are pulling out mirrors and trying to get others to see themselves as wrong. Oh yes, there are imperfections everywhere in our psyches. That conversation will be endless until all folks involved have reached enlightenment.... could take a long time I would wager.

So we are here to talk about Drake? No? :horn: game on.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

Ok, nice way to say take a break. I will on this thread Kristin, but it does not negate that others have been allowed for months to bring my and other's character into question in post after post and now suddenly Sierra wants to start moderating us. She has not moderated them once as far as I can tell, and she herself has exhibited the very rude behavior mods are supposedly moderating. I will end it here for now. My words stand, and I think this has been quite telling. You of course are doing your job, and I thank you for that.

[Sierra]

Yes the left hand is aware of what the right hand is doing. There isn't a south paw in the forum that's not.

(Left hand): You called Unified Serenity a clueless ******* therefore you are moderated (right hand) for calling names, you dumb *******!


Nope. Went over yesterday's posts, and no where did I call U.S. a clueless ******** and if you think I am dumb *******, that is your problem.

I thought you had a bit more respect for truth when it came to attributing statements to people. I respectfully request you start quoting me.

Sierra

[9eagle9]

The thread is just another symptom of a pre-existing polarization. Another thread that was a symptom was the Great Wilcocks Death threat and then all other threads where the Great Guru's speak much but say little, and are place for the adherents to content themselves with by having a 'side' to be on with a lot of other people who have chosen a side.

Because of the energies that people have chosen long before these threads ever came into existence are where the real polarization has occured, this thread is not so much polarizing but just another symptom of polarization.

We have a limited number of non-gurus, and non adherents that all predicted nothing in particular, frex, on July 4th would happen, showing that their ability to predict events exceeds that ability of the gurus and their adherents. We didn't require broadcasts and radios shows and our own personal little messengers scurrying back and forth to serve us. It just emerged from the right now and in the present with no planning, no military action, no bells and whistles and idle threats and patriotic speeches.

This of course was perceived as a criticism but now the predictions have all come to pass, on the part of the few.

It shows a rising a power emerging from a pre-existing polarization.




http://www.animated-gifs.eu/smilies-sports-tennis/0010.gif

I like this one Fred, because you need to have an audience too.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7016/692899pa6.gif

This thread has polarized several times in the last 90 days since Drake came on the scene. I'm somewhat surprised it held together as long as it did!

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Yes I understand the metaphor isn't known to you.



Yes the left hand is aware of what the right hand is doing. There isn't a south paw in the forum that's not.

(Left hand): You called Unified Serenity a clueless ******* therefore you are moderated (right hand) for calling names, you dumb *******!


Nope. Went over yesterday's posts, and no where did I call U.S. a clueless ******** and if you think I am dumb *******, that is your problem.

I thought you had a bit more respect for truth when it came to attributing statements to people. I respectfully request you start quoting me.

Sierra

[Sierra]

[/COLOR]Yes I understand the metaphor isn't known to you.



Yes the left hand is aware of what the right hand is doing. There isn't a south paw in the forum that's not.

(Left hand): You called Unified Serenity a clueless ******* therefore you are moderated (right hand) for calling names, you dumb *******!


Nope. Went over yesterday's posts, and no where did I call U.S. a clueless ******** and if you think I am dumb *******, that is your problem.

I thought you had a bit more respect for truth when it came to attributing statements to people. I respectfully request you start quoting me.

Sierra

The metaphor is meaningless if there is no basis in truth. I did not say that about United Serenity, and to refer to the metaphor without acknowledging the untruth, is specious.

[9eagle9]

Strangely I'm certain Unified Serenity understood the meaning in it .

I never said that you said that about her, that why I said its a metaphor not literal.

[Sierra]

Strangely I'm certain Unified Serenity understood the meaning in it .

I never said that you said that about her, that why I said its a metaphor not literal.

Oh you point it out after the fact? LOL!

[NancyV]

I'd like to be clear, I'm not accusing you, Kimberley, of being a narcissist. But that kind of bad behaviour and lack of respect for people (in not acknowledging a transaction that has taken place, but riding roughshod over it and carrying on) rubs off, and it now appears to have rubbed off on you.

Oh good! Given that the definition of Narcissism is:

nar·cis·sism   [nahr-suh-siz-em]
noun
1.
inordinate fascination with oneself; excessive self-love; vanity. Synonyms: self-centeredness, smugness, egocentrism.
2.
Psychoanalysis . erotic gratification derived from admiration of one's own physical or mental attributes, being a normal condition at the infantile level of personality development.


Let's not attach labels to members, it really isn't useful. As for who has been ridden roughshod in the last 3,000 plus posts, let's be honest here as well. The evidence is on the thread. I much prefer the "respectful" questioning of La Tigra here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more&p=518808&viewfull=1#post518808

... just as an example of how to make a point in a respectful manner without calling fellow Avalon members names.

Sierra
Ishtar quite clearly said in her post directed to Kimberly "Your reply to us, if you hadn't been infected by these narcissistic habits......". She did not call Kimberly a narcissist. She was pointing out narcissistic "HABITS" that Kimberly is exhibiting from being around and believing DRAKE who quite obviously IS exhibiting narcissistic HABITS.

So is it now a forum rule or are you just unilaterally stating that we now must not use labels? There is no way I'm going to STOP using LABELS. It's one of many ways we communicate. LABELS are how we describe certain actions and behaviors. If you don't like me using labels then you are welcome to ban me from the forum. Until then I will continue to be ME and not YOU. I will communicate in the way I CHOOSE to communicate.

I very much enjoy the way La Tigra communicates but I much prefer the way Ishtar communicates because I am more like her. We can't all be like you. I'm sure there are others who prefer a more powerful energetic rather than a "diplomatic" PC way of communicating hoping not to hurt anyone else's feelings. We're supposedly all adults here and I don't need anyone protecting my feelings, since I'm always responsible for how I receive any information or "labels" that anyone wants to share with me.

It is obvious to me and probably to others that you occasionally use the small "power" you have as a moderator to support those you agree with and to discourage those you don't agree with from being themselves. I was a moderator for many years online and I know there is always a temptation to use any power one has, no matter how petty. But even petty tyrants serve an extremely useful purpose. LOL...

[9eagle9]

It seemed that you required it. No one else did.



Strangely I'm certain Unified Serenity understood the meaning in it .

I never said that you said that about her, that why I said its a metaphor not literal.

Oh you point it out after the fact? LOL!

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Yeah it's obvious....lol.






I'd like to be clear, I'm not accusing you, Kimberley, of being a narcissist. But that kind of bad behaviour and lack of respect for people (in not acknowledging a transaction that has taken place, but riding roughshod over it and carrying on) rubs off, and it now appears to have rubbed off on you.

Oh good! Given that the definition of Narcissism is:

nar·cis·sism   [nahr-suh-siz-em]
noun
1.
inordinate fascination with oneself; excessive self-love; vanity. Synonyms: self-centeredness, smugness, egocentrism.
2.
Psychoanalysis . erotic gratification derived from admiration of one's own physical or mental attributes, being a normal condition at the infantile level of personality development.


Let's not attach labels to members, it really isn't useful. As for who has been ridden roughshod in the last 3,000 plus posts, let's be honest here as well. The evidence is on the thread. I much prefer the "respectful" questioning of La Tigra here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more&p=518808&viewfull=1#post518808

... just as an example of how to make a point in a respectful manner without calling fellow Avalon members names.

Sierra
Ishtar quite clearly said in her post directed to Kimberly "Your reply to us, if you hadn't been infected by these narcissistic habits......". She did not call Kimberly a narcissist. She was pointing out narcissistic "HABITS" that Kimberly is exhibiting from being around and believing DRAKE who quite obviously IS exhibiting narcissistic HABITS.

So is it now a forum rule or are you just unilaterally stating that we now must not use labels? There is no way I'm going to STOP using LABELS. It's one of many ways we communicate. LABELS are how we describe certain actions and behaviors. If you don't like me using labels then you are welcome to ban me from the forum. Until then I will continue to be ME and not YOU. I will communicate in the way I CHOOSE to communicate.

I very much enjoy the way La Tigra communicates but I much prefer the way Ishtar communicates because I am more like her. We can't all be like you. I'm sure there are others who prefer a more powerful energetic rather than a "diplomatic" PC way of communicating hoping not to hurt anyone else's feelings. We're supposedly all adults here and I don't need anyone protecting my feelings, since I'm always responsible for how I receive any information or "labels" that anyone wants to share with me.

It is obvious to me and probably to others that you occasionally use the small "power" you have as a moderator to support those you agree with and to discourage those you don't agree with from being themselves. I was a moderator for many years online and I know there is always a temptation to use any power one has, no matter how petty. But even petty tyrants serve an extremely useful purpose. LOL...

[Sierra]

O grail maiden of kindness! LOL!

Need a break, I'm out of here.

Sierra

[gripreaper]

OK, here's some updates:

You will all be pleased to know that I am tendering my resignation from this page that I created along with the assistance of Paul Thompson. I have no desire to continue arguing with anyone. I will continue the broadcasts on the Blogtalk station I set up as well as the website, GlobalVoice2012.us but this facebook group is no longer worth my time and effort. I wish you all peace and happiness and, most of all, FREEDOM. This house built of love is no longer a "home" that I feel welcomed in. ♥ My love to all of you ~ Denise Rednour

http://www.facebook.com/groups/137466796377979/

Also, Fulfords latest blurb:

The order to stab this writer with a poisoned needle was given by Japanese power broker Ichiro Ozawa and his North Korean faction, according to North Korean, South Korean and Japanese military intelligence and underworld sources. Ozawa is upset by repeated assertions by this writer that he was involved in, and profited from, the 311 nuclear and tsunami terror attacks against Japan. My question to Ozawa is, why not sue me for slander instead of trying to kill me? Is it because you are guilty of participating in, and profiting from, the murder of 20,000 of your fellow Japanese citizens?

We are now investigating whether Ozawa was acting on his own or following instructions from the Rockefellers, the Bushes or the P2 lodge. We have also heard that somebody lied to North Korea’s Kim Jong-un and told him this writer was somehow responsible for his father’s murder.

In any case, formal police complaints have been filed and the case against the cabal has just been upgraded from financial fraud to mass murder.

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/2012/07/weekly-geopolitical-news-and-analysis20120709-japanese-power-broker-ichiro-ozawa-ordered-my-murder.html

[9eagle9]

You know Sierra.... in our private exchanges I did kindly caution about you about being careful of whom you were serving. Because I knew that eventually it would come ot this, you can't serve to two masters. Serving the forum as moderation is all well and fine, serving something else within the confines of the forum is a different matter. Now that particular camp isn't here to take the blows for you are they?

I DID caution and if you have kept those exchanges as you have said you have, then you will see clearly where I cautioned not once but a few times. Not because I am particularly kind, it just needed to be said because it was getting a bit too obvious and that which you serve is too indiscreet to serve you in return.

Nor do I expect that they will come in anytime soon and defend your honor.

[Kimberley]

Well I knew I was opening up a can of worms by posting yesterday, in hind sight on one hand I wish I had not but when I did I knew what I was getting into, so I am taking the time to write this now...

I still do not think/perceive that part of "the plan" is about executing people. I interpreted Drake's words of "we will get those "sobs" as masculine lover vibrating speak , and that Drake was expressing his personal feelings about all that has gone on in the world at the hands of the few that have held humanity imprisoned. I do and did not perceive what he said to be a part of "the plan" that Drake has been asked to be a spokes person for.

I have read most of all of this thread and it finally got to me how there has so much focus on "executions" that to me was just Hyperbole. If I had explained it this way yesterday I would have been more clear... I am figuring that all will not know the definition of Hyperbole..so here it is...

Hyperbole (play /haɪˈpɜrbəliː/ hy-PUR-bə-lee;[1] Greek: ὑπερβολή, 'exaggeration') is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is not meant to be taken literally.

And when I used the words "good old boys " "red neck" "southern man" I was only referring to Drake...those words were not intended in a negative manner they were used only to be descriptive.

I fully recognize and honor those of you who feel the "execution" words are literal ...you have stated that over and over and over... And I finally decided that I would state my view of the matter.

I have NO evidence of millions of things including Drake. I have said from the begging that I like the idea of mass arrest!!! I see it as a great idea. The idea of it does not give me false hope because liking an idea and hoping for it are two different things... as a matter of fact I eliminated the use of the word hope from my vocabulary to the best of my ability a few years ago. I feel the word hope has a lower vibrating energy a very limiting energy ( thats a long story for another time).

I have briefly answered La Tigra's questions below, however I want to bring attention to this one here first because it is related and a great example of how new information shows up for me all the time...it s what keeps life interesting and a reminder of how we need to continue to keep our eyes and ears open...

"7. Is the “love vibration” doing anything to fix the problem of Fukushima and the radiation that is spewing into the Pacific Ocean and atmosphere? If so can you please describe the mechanism of this.:

If you had asked me this question two weeks ago I would have answered yes sending healing thoughts does help and my way of doing that is I repeat words in my head all the time such as peace on earth, love on earth, healing on earth. I also say "I am" statements over and over all through the day and before I go to sleep. I am love, I am peace, I am joy etc.

Well much to my surprise my mind was boggled 2 weeks ago when this thread about the Nuclear scare scam was started...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46819-A-video-they-won-t-want-you-to-see--Galen-Winsor-nuclear-scam-

Have you seen it? So today my answer is that I am no longer feeling fear around Fukushima. My inner knowing is telling me that the information gathered about the Nuclear scare scam is to be believed. I have had more fear around Nuclear than almost anything else and now that fear has been lifted. And I also know that fear has been used in so many ways in the controlling of the masses. Well they sure got me with the nuclear fear game but not any longer.

I stand strong in the life of freedom I have learned to achieve by having learned to Judge not. And to love and question everything.

Ok that's enough...

Much love to us all always in all ways!! :grouphug:





Dear Kimberly,

In response to your statement……

“I came to planet earth to help hold the love vibration.”

I would ask for some elucidation by asking a few questions, as a good friend of mine says “Inquiring minds need to know.”


1. Can you please give us a description of what and how the love vibration manifests?

short answer love yourself! Long answer google "How to manifest love"

2. What work did you do to achieve your personal state of happiness?

I read hundreds of books since 1976 and have interviewed hundreds of conscious thought leaders in the past almost 9 years. About 5 years ago I stopped searching and started letting life happen not trying to make life happen. New information shows up for ma all the time and that sure keeps life interesting and fun! When I refer to "work" it is about doing inner work..learning to love myself and to trust myself and know that the universe is conspiring to bless us all.

3. How does continually promoting Drake, who has implicated that there will be blood in the streets “hold the love vibration”?

I answered this above

4. Have you ever been attacked, in person, astrally or physically?

In the past yes physically and emotionally.... my mother beat me until I was 14 and realized I was bigger and stronger that her and did not have to allow it to continue. For the past 30 + years I have been and I am protected.

5. Are you aware that there are groups of people that train as Spiritual warriors whose work it is to dissipate and free trapped dark entities? They don’t actually just sit at the edge of a pond and meditate. It is arduous and dangerous work.

Yes there are many different types of people doing this type of work... I highly recommend Lucia Rene's work and her book http://www.unplugfromthepatriarchy.com/

6. Have you ever encountered a dark entity telepathically or physically?

Yes in dream time.

7. Is the “love vibration” doing anything to fix the problem of Fukushima and the radiation that is spewing into the Pacific Ocean and atmosphere? If so can you please describe the mechanism of this.

I answered this above

8. What evidence do you have to substantiate the claims that Drake is making?

no evidence I like evidence when it shows up but I do not need evidence for lots of things... My inner knowing feels good about the Idea of mass arrest and Drake is no guru just a spokes person...


La Tigra

[9eagle9]

Yes people living in their own prison can magickcally reach out and arrest others.

Really they can,.....if one is conveying messages from a box of Lucky Charms.

[ThePythonicCow]

So is it now a forum rule ...
I for one prefer fuzzy rules. The illusion of strict rule enforcement too often becomes the last bastion of defense, by my current ignorance and confusion, by which means it can resist being dragged into the light of the next lesson that awaits me in this life.

[Alie]

Let me say this for the record. I thank Sierra for moderating this thread.

I am rarely participating on this thread anymore because I feel that anything PRO-DRAKE has had (at least in the past) little chance for polite, respectful discussion --- Bouncing the tennis ball back and forth for sport --- rather than slam dunk, slam dunk, slam dunk. Do you want examples --- well there are a few within the 157 pages ---

But hey ... who really cares ... I certainly don't care about this Drake thread anymore. All has been said.

[Sierra]

You know Sierra.... in our private exchanges I did kindly caution about you about being careful of whom you were serving. Because I knew that eventually it would come ot this, you can't serve to two masters. Serving the forum as moderation is all well and fine, serving something else within the confines of the forum is a different matter. Now that particular camp isn't here to take the blows for you are they?

I DID caution and if you have kept those exchanges as you have said you have, then you will see clearly where I cautioned not once but a few times. Not because I am particularly kind, it just needed to be said because it was getting a bit too obvious and that which you serve is too indiscreet to serve you in return.

Nor do I expect that they will come in anytime soon and defend your honor.

Serve? Serve in return? Well heck! Here I must be thinking I have *some* (mysterious) (where did that army come from?) army behind me LOL!

My goodness there was a lot of information coded in those tiny little PMs!

My honor is just fine, but thank you for your pontifical care, consideration, and wisdom.

Sierra

[the_vast_mystery]

Well I knew I was opening up a can of worms by posting yesterday, in hind sight on one hand I wish I had not but when I did I knew what I was getting into, so I am taking the time to write this now...

I still do not think/perceive that part of "the plan" is about executing people. I interpreted Drake's words of "we will get those "sobs" as masculine lover vibrating speak , and that Drake was expressing his personal feelings about all that has gone on in the world at the hands of the few that have held humanity imprisoned. I do and did not perceive what he said to be a part of "the plan" that Drake has been asked to be a spokes person for.

I have read most of all of this thread and it finally got to me how there has so much focus on "executions" that to me was just Hyperbole. If I had explained it this way yesterday I would have been more clear... I am figuring that all will not know the definition of Hyperbole..so here it is...

Hyperbole (play /haɪˈpɜrbəliː/ hy-PUR-bə-lee;[1] Greek: ὑπερβολή, 'exaggeration') is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is not meant to be taken literally.

And when I used the words "good old boys " "red neck" "southern man" I was only referring to Drake...those words were not intended in a negative manner they were used only to be descriptive.

I fully recognize and honor those of you who feel the "execution" words are literal ...you have stated that over and over and over... And I finally decided that I would state my view of the matter.

I have NO evidence of millions of things including Drake. I have said from the begging that I like the idea of mass arrest!!! I see it as a great idea. The idea of it does not give me false hope because liking an idea and hoping for it are two different things... as a matter of fact I eliminated the use of the word hope from my vocabulary to the best of my ability a few years ago. I feel the word hope has a lower vibrating energy a very limiting energy ( thats a long story for another time).

I have briefly answered La Tigra's questions below, however I want to bring attention to this one here first because it is related and a great example of how new information shows up for me all the time...it s what keeps life interesting and a reminder of how we need to continue to keep our eyes and ears open...

"7. Is the “love vibration” doing anything to fix the problem of Fukushima and the radiation that is spewing into the Pacific Ocean and atmosphere? If so can you please describe the mechanism of this.:

If you had asked me this question two weeks ago I would have answered yes sending healing thoughts does help and my way of doing that is I repeat words in my head all the time such as peace on earth, love on earth, healing on earth. I also say "I am" statements over and over all through the day and before I go to sleep. I am love, I am peace, I am joy etc.

Well much to my surprise my mind was boggled 2 weeks ago when this thread about the Nuclear scare scam was started...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46819-A-video-they-won-t-want-you-to-see--Galen-Winsor-nuclear-scam-

Have you seen it? So today my answer is that I am no longer feeling fear around Fukushima. My inner knowing is telling me that the information gathered about the Nuclear scare scam is to be believed. I have had more fear around Nuclear than almost anything else and now that fear has been lifted. And I also know that fear has been used in so many ways in the controlling of the masses. Well they sure got me with the nuclear fear game but not any longer.

I stand strong in the life of freedom I have learned to achieve by having learned to Judge not. And to love and question everything.

Ok that's enough...

Much love to us all always in all ways!! :grouphug:

Okay, my turn to ask questions then.

1: A lot of the language regarding Love, vibration, etc. often is couched in terms of two opposing forces, either love or fear. How is this in itself not polarization and not merely switching one system for another? If we chose fear over love then are we not abandoning half of ourself to cling one-sidedly to another half?

2: How does a being that has transcended fear make up for the evolutionary mechanisms fear had previously been used for? (Detecting situations dangerous to our survival and avoiding them pre-emptively.)

2a: if the above is accomplished by a change of environment. Please describe with all full specificity the qualities of this environment that universally prevent any of these dangerous survival situations from occurring therefore making a total negation of fear a sensible choice.

2b: if the above is accomplished by a change of self such that the body becomes resistant to any form of danger. Please describe with all full detail the materials and composition of that body so as to demonstrate its total structural resistance to any physical, mental, emotional or otherwise energy-based form of damage which could conceptually exist. (Thus making negation of fear in total a sensible choice.)

2c: If the above is accomplished by a fusion of methods A or B please describe both.

3: Can you provide any experimental way to measure these "Love Vibrations" and their effects upon particulate matter?

4: What are the limits of this inner-knowing? Can its accuracy be measured? Is there a way to use it to obtain specific details or is it only useful for vague general-purpose info?

5: Is there any way you could experimentally prove these abilities exist and can be reliably re-used on command? Or are they just feelings that come/go over time and are not directly within your control?

6: Please explain why you feel Drake is a good spokesperson when he is shirking all of the qualities that make up good PR. He's fudged dates, fumbled addresses, is not clear at all in his language use, and refuses to admit to these mistakes as far as I've seen.

7: Do you have any real specific details you can put forward as to why you believe specifically in Drake or in these Mass Arrests other than: "When I hear/think about it, makes me feel good?"

8: Is there a process you can describe so that we can be sure that events are causatively related towards any "mass arrest" style plan and that we do not end up seeing channelers or other sources attempting to claim responsibility for the actions of others so as to attempt to mold external events into fitting their narrative? How do we combat this form of deception? (As doing so would be of immense value towards proving any authenticity in Drake or in the Mass Arrest story)

[Christine]

Well I knew I was opening up a can of worms by posting yesterday, in hind sight on one hand I wish I had not but when I did I knew what I was getting into, so I am taking the time to write this now...

Kimberley,

Thank you for taking the time to answer...we can put the worms back in the can. The purpose of my questions are to prod us to deepen our understanding of why we believe certain things and where do the beliefs come from. There is so much more to our story..... May the discourse continue in the spirit of understanding.

La Tigra

[Chester]

This commentary is great IMO. Go ahead, listen to it, I dare ya.

In this video, “Deep Space” provides an excellent commentary on the impending arrests of the global elite that has alleged by Benjamin Fulford, David Wilcock, Insider Drake and others. He also talks about the Federal Reserve and Project Blue Beam.

Source: http://consciouslifenews.com/commentary-insider-drake-mass-arrests-project-blue-beam-federal-reserve-banking-scam-video/1128191/

Another one who "listened to about 20 hours of Drake" and heard all about the executions as well and questioned that part of the plan as well.

So, please, Kimberly - ask if the ETs are also on board on this executions idea, ok? I really want to know what sort of ETs these good guy ETs might be.

EDIT: I had not gotten to your Post Kimberly when I wrote this... I still wish you would ask Drake about this and not just assume its "redneck talk" that don't mean nuttin'.

[Kimberley]

************

Dear the_vast_mystery and justoneman and anyone else that has asked me a question that I have not answered...

I am not able to answer your questions at this time I am choosing to keep my focus on other matters that have called to me to be put on my priority list.... this Drake topic is much lower on the list... thank you for understanding.

I have no need to defend myself to anyone. And as much as I would like to be able to answer every question I am not able to do that... I will if and or when the time to do that presents itself to do so...

I will add that if anyone is interested in talking with me I am a much better talker that a writer....so PM me and we can set up a time to talk if that would be helpful ...typing for me takes 3 times as long as talking...

Again thank you for understanding!!

Much love :grouphug:

[StarDust]

3: Can you provide any experimental way to measure these "Love Vibrations" and their effects upon particulate matter?

Since 'particulate matter' can be defined as either a solid or a liquid, this topic has been covered extensively through the research of Dr. Masaru Emoto.

Water, Consciousness & Intent: Dr. Masaru Emoto

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[turiya]

Wonder if any of those have ever stopped to re-examine what they 'believed' was their intuitive sense about Drake & mass arrests, are now ready to admit it was just their wishful thinking...

An unexamined life is one not worth living - Socrates

turiya -*-

[the_vast_mystery]

Unfortunately Emoto's degree is not in any form of atomic or molecular physics, which is what would be required for him to seriously advance any theory regarding how consciousness can effect in full the structure of particulate matter.
Even a cursory glance put forward towards his research shows that there were only two serious studies done on his ideas. A double-blind study (http://www.explorejournal.com/article/S1550-8307%2806%2900327-2/fulltext) that produced results barely even measurable if not through statistics, and a much better controlled triple-blind study that entirely disproved his hypothesis (http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_22_4_radin.pdf). This doesn't mean that he doesn't have some vague idea about something. However as of right now the results appear at best quite inconclusive.

The problem with such claims, as I discovered quickly, is that they rely on the reader/viewer not knowing that much about (nor being seriously equipped to conduct academic level research in) the given field being discussed so they use generalizations and misrepresentations as a way to hide the subjective bias being espoused. Emoto may still have been on to something but until there's enough data for us to figure out how to reliably duplicate these effects then there's really not much to go on. As well, I will say it's a bit suspect his degree is not in the field he's claiming to have made a discovery in, and that he sells products based on these claims. It sounds nice, but sadly does not pass muster.

Of course, in reality it's fine that not everyone can recite a scientific dissertation on the effects of consciousness on matter an atomic level. I would however say that anyone who is claiming to be here on a mission to specifically alter our composition by anchoring these "vibrations" to be able to. If they cannot demonstrate this level of knowledge then it indicates that unfortunately, not even they know precisely what it is that they are doing. This, is what worries me most, because it means that if there's a shred of truth to anything being claimed that they may in fact be members of some form of a military not too dissimilar from ours. One that tells its soldiers as little as necessary to get them to "get the job done." So this is why I'm trying to see if anyone can perhaps offer more in the realm of scientific knowledge that would be approachable and verifiable with the means we have now. Right now all of the promising information I've found has sadly turned out later to have been debunked or at least rendered inconclusive via mixed results.

[trenairio]

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[StarDust]

TVM,

I encountered many people at the graduate level who tried to over think things. I suppose it is a requirement for some. As for me, I prefer to just do. Some things, like breathing, are just the natural order of things. One could easily analyze the mechanics of it to death, but that wouldn't change its function or necessity.

I was also going to suggest trying the process of "cloud erasing". I do it all the time and it works in demonstrating how open water vapor is to thought forms. However, it doesn't require a double blind study or some type of peer review, so I doubt that you would find that useful;)

[the_vast_mystery]

TVM,

I encountered many people at the graduate level who tried to over think things. I supposed it is a requirement for some. As for me, I prefer to just do. Some things, like breathing, are just the natural order of things. I suppose you could analyze the mechanics of it to death, but that wouldn't change its function or necessity.

It becomes entirely necessary when someone begins to make outrageous claims regarding the properties of breathing. An example: Breatharians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breatharians). Without this verification one would never know that they are in fact doing what it is they believe they are doing and not being deceived by themselves or others. Like I said before, really most of what Science is good for is seeing who's being led along or lying about what they say. It can't tell us exactly what is happening but it's quite useful in telling us what is most definitely NOT happening. :)

So it may be "over complicating" things as far as being unnecessary knowledge to simply breathe. It becomes a requirement the moment you begin to wish to do anything other than unconsciously breathe. Especially so of someone entering a foreign environment. If you didn't know about how your lungs worked you could easily inhale poison gas, or exhale a compound poisonous to the environment. Even on Earth many species of animal, simply by performing their "natural behavior" will destroy a new ecosystem if they're introduced into a foreign environment by an outside source (such as human or ET intervention.) This makes the case that such individuals if they are being sent in, should need to be fully aware of everything it is that they are doing on a conscious level.

If they are not aware of everything it is that they are doing then there's a huge potential for even a well-meaning species to cause catastrophic unintended consequences merely by doing something that may work great for them but terrible in their new foreign environment. It is only by demonstrating in full that they have done their due scientific diligence to ensuring that such things cannot occur that they would be able to make an honest case for their good intentions. Then we could say that they not only are not intending harm, but that they will not unintentionally cause great harm as well. It's only after that has been established that any reasonable human being could even decide on whether or not they wanted any of this "help" being offered.


I was also going to suggest trying the process of "cloud erasing". I do it all the time and it works in demonstrating how open water vapor is to thought forms. However, it doesn't require a double blind study or some type of peer review, so I doubt that you would find that useful ;)

Sounds interesting, I'll look it up. However if you can reproduce it reliably I'd say you 'ought to head on over to JREF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi_Educational_Foundation) as they will pay if you can demonstrate any of this to them, and quite well. I'm not going to really involve myself so much in practicing these things as I already understand my unfortunate weakness to my own subjective bias. As well, I was never one claiming to have such abilities in the first place. As far as I've seen the only thing I ever did that seemed out of the ordinary was had an adrenaline surge help me restrain someone in a fight who'd have normally knocked me out. The rest of it were just other people confronting me with their own experiences and saying I was somehow "involved" with them.

[Unified Serenity]

TVM,

I encountered many people at the graduate level who tried to over think things. I suppose it is a requirement for some. As for me, I prefer to just do. Some things, like breathing, are just the natural order of things. One could easily analyze the mechanics of it to death, but that wouldn't change its function or necessity.

I was also going to suggest trying the process of "cloud erasing". I do it all the time and it works in demonstrating how open water vapor is to thought forms. However, it doesn't require a double blind study or some type of peer review, so I doubt that you would find that useful;)

I do this too! You can move smoke and fire. I was teaching my son this about a month ago. We can manipulate the energy fields around us quite a bit, and it just takes a lil bit of will to do it. My mind is not made up on the water stuff. I saw one comment that said, well you were trying to debunk the experiment so of course the water reflected that energy. I believe in energy, and water is quite useful in conveying it. prayer works and they don't know why, but in experiment one after another, it works. We affect the world around us by our intentions.

[Unified Serenity]

Sounds interesting, I'll look it up. However if you can reproduce it reliably I'd say you 'ought to head on over to JREF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi_Educational_Foundation) as they will pay if you can demonstrate any of this to them, and quite well. I'm not going to really involve myself so much in practicing these things as I already understand my unfortunate weakness to my own subjective bias. As well, I was never one claiming to have such abilities in the first place. As far as I've seen the only thing I ever did that seemed out of the ordinary was had an adrenaline surge help me restrain someone in a fight who'd have normally knocked me out. The rest of it were just other people confronting me with their own experiences and saying I was somehow "involved" with them.

That's interesting, but proving it to another is not that easy. I mean, there is a huge chem trail over my house, I focus and it leaves... it's the wind right? I mean it's all over the rest of the sky, but my 10 acres are clear. Same thing with smoke, proving you can direct the smoke way is just wind right? I do it all the time and my family used to be amazed sitting round our firepit and smoke would inevitable drift one way or another, but not my way. I don't like sitting in smoke, and I shield against it or just gently direct it off in a direction that won't bother others.

[gripreaper]

So this is why I'm trying to see if anyone can perhaps offer more in the realm of scientific knowledge that would be approachable and verifiable with the means we have now. Right now all of the promising information I've found has sadly turned out later to have been debunked or at least rendered inconclusive via mixed results.

Have you looked into the work of Bruce Lipton, who is a biologist and has done extensive work on how intent changes the very cellular structure? Nassim Haramein's work is also very conclusive.

Empiricism is moving away from the Newtonian paradigm where the hypothesis needs to fit into the confines of the five senses and the periodic chart of elements, and must meet such stringent academic guidelines of such a narrow band of integers to be valid. In Quantum physics, it has been discovered that nothing is solid and the elements are photonic, and therefore malleable based on influences.

[christian]

i wonder what Sun Tzu would do,
if he found himself under attack from our enemy

What a fantastic question.
(Worth a new thread of its own...)

I started two not too long ago :

Humanity vs. The Cabal (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44637-Humanity-vs.-The-Cabal)

The Art of Debating (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47009-The-Art-of-Debating)

[the_vast_mystery]

Have you looked into the work of Bruce Lipton, who is a biologist and has done extensive work on how intent changes the very cellular structure? Nassim Haramein's work is also very conclusive.

Empiricism is moving away from the Newtonian paradigm where the hypothesis needs to fit into the confines of the five senses and the periodic chart of elements, and must meet such stringent academic guidelines of such a narrow band of integers to be valid. In Quantum physics, it has been discovered that nothing is solid and the elements are photonic, and therefore malleable based on influences.

I think this misses the point a bit. This isn't about testing what I know or have investigated. It's pointing out that anyone here who claims to be here to do something major as far as some sort of energetic alignment needs to demonstrate they have achieved a graduate level of understanding of what it is they are doing. Anything short of that shows a lack of rigor which makes a very hard sell to anyone else that they are who they say they are and are doing what they say they are doing. It'd be like a Kung-fu master, when asked about his technique, being unable to utter any words than "I just hit people, they go down, that's it." Which is certainly fine and dandy if they're not trying to teach Kung-fu to anyone else, but the moment they step out of their own isolated area (such as claiming to be an ET race here to fix the planet, light worker, etc.) and begin to effect others there's a level of clarity of understanding that I feel needs to be shown to make it readily apparent they know who they are and what they are doing with all the due certainty you would expect from someone who is what they claim to be. I don't expect a Joe Everyman down the street to understand particle physics, but I do expect the equivalent of an ET scientist/priest/military unit to have that level of understanding just as much as I'd expect our military to train its soldiers quite thoroughly in the operation and maintenance of its weapons.

It's simply something that by all accounts should be there if the story is to line up. This is why I'm specifically pressing for those sorts of answers as without those then there is very little that can be done to establish trust in their story being truly what they say it is. Which is not to say (if they cannot answer that) that their story is 100% false either. As I alluded to earlier our military loves to send people in with cover stories. It simply means that they may not even truly know who they are or what they are here to do and by being unable to demonstrate their knowledge of either they simply indicate that there's much more digging to be done to figure out what is the actual truth in this case.

Science isn't shy about making fools of us all. :)

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That's interesting, but proving it to another is not that easy. I mean, there is a huge chem trail over my house, I focus and it leaves... it's the wind right? I mean it's all over the rest of the sky, but my 10 acres are clear. Same thing with smoke, proving you can direct the smoke way is just wind right? I do it all the time and my family used to be amazed sitting round our firepit and smoke would inevitable drift one way or another, but not my way. I don't like sitting in smoke, and I shield against it or just gently direct it off in a direction that won't bother others.


You might even be doing something, but until you know exactly what it is you are doing with full detail then you can't really go around and explain to others the process. Knowing How what you do works is extraordinarily important if you want to tell anyone else about it. Otherwise for all you know you're being led on by someone else or leading yourself along.

Isn't a lot of the research into how occult rituals work based on the idea that you can present a ritual or piece of material in coded form so as to appear to be multiple things to each level of initiate? (With the actual full understanding of the ceremony only known to those at the top?)

If that's the case then without doing due diligence in research and experimentation to verify the results you are getting line up with what you believe should be happening (on more than a superficial level) then you could just as easily be led along into someone else's cleverly disguised plan. This is why I went straight to asking for graduate level material. Because I'm pretty sure that based on who these groups are appealing to (religious believers) they are extremely ill equipped to be able to translate their message or methods into the realm of scientific knowledge.

If they can, then their story might actually line up (verification isn't just a one-shot sort of deal, rigorous verification is needed before results can be considered conclusive) and it could just be that no one had asked the right questions. If they cannot however, it displays a very startling lack of understanding of their own methods or means and could quite possibly indicate they're here on a cover story like some sort of a military operation and that until we can have that verification we won't know exactly what these meditations or other rituals are in fact doing to us or the planet.

So this isn't even really so much directed at you but at anyone claiming to be a light worker or star-seed that has still thrown in their lot with Drake or this "Divine Plan" to demonstrate their understanding of the methods they will be using so that we as limited human beings can with all due certainty establish a real, legitimate trust in them.

Real trust should be based on compassion, mutual understanding and respect for one another. Hence my attempt to (as diplomatically as possible) pose some real science-based questions to test the rigor of their understanding. I actually have people at a graduate level I can call on to check anything including the math. So much of physics is math and without the mathematics especially it's hard to separate out who's done their work and who hasn't.

A lot of New Agey talk about quantum mechanics relies on misunderstandings of it at a popular level. But once you look deeper into the math it falls right apart. (admittedly took me a while, I'm somewhat math averse to anything more complex than calculus x_x;; )

[Ishtar]

The Vast Mystery et al,

What is being discussed here is the difference between science and magic.

Magic works, but science doesn't know how it works as it doesn't have the tools or the framework of reference to fathom it, and hasn't done so since the inaptly named Age of Enlightenment in the 18th century which separated alchemy from science and thus spirit from matter.

It has been of immense value to the powers-that-be that they may very well have invented science to 'debunk magic', so that they could continue using it in a hidden (occult) way to control us. Whether it was intentional or not, this is what has happened, although their magical powers and knowledge are low and waning now.

It is this kind of way of perception that has helped me see through all this Drake nonsense to a large degree. A friend posted recently The Wizard's Rules in his blog on my forum, and I'd like to share three of the most important rules in terms of the subject of this thread here, and the first one is at the root of all effective psy-ops, but particularly channelling.

The Wizard's Rules

"People are stupid, they will believe something because they want it to be true; or because they're afraid it might be true."―Wizard's First Rule: Chapter 36, page 397

Given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they're afraid it might be true. People's heads are full of knowledge, facts and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool.


This second rule reminds me of the 'love 'n light' brigade section of Drake's followers.

The Wizard's Rules 2

"The greatest harm can result from the best intentions."―Stone of Tears: Chapter 63, page 886

Kindness and good intentions can be an insidious path to destruction. Sometimes doing what seems right is wrong, and can cause harm. The only counter to it is knowledge, wisdom, forethought, and understanding the First Rule. Even then, that is not always enough.


And this third rule, to me, sums up the whole of Drake's offering in so far as he can talk the talk, but cannot walk the walk, because he's not in truth. So his visions of a Utopian Golden Age Promised Land are riven with the rivers of blood of executions, guillotines and firing squads... but still he keeps the love n' light brigade on board because of Rules No 1 and 2.


The Wizard's Rules 9

"A contradiction can not exist in reality. Not in part, nor in whole."―Chainfire: Chapter 48, page 489

To believe in a contradiction is to abdicate your belief in the existence of the world around you and the nature of the things in it, to instead embrace any random impulse that strikes your fancy - to imagine something is real simply because you wish it were. A thing is what it is, it is itself. There can be no contradictions. Faith is a device of self-delusion, a sleight of hand done with words and emotions founded on any irrational notion that can be dreamed up. Faith is the attempt to coerce truth to surrender to whim. In simple terms, it is trying to breathe life into a lie by trying to outshine reality with the beauty of wishes. Faith is the refuge of fools, the ignorant, and the deluded, not of thinking, rational men.In reality, contradictions cannot exist. To believe in them you must abandon the most important thing you possess: your rational mind. The wager for such a bargain is your life. In such an exchange, you always lose what you have at stake.

These three rules have served me very well during these discussions over the last few months as the Drake Dragon has twisted and turned in different directions, and have enabled me to bruise the serpent's head under my heel. I hope it helps others too.

You can read the full article on The Wizards' Rules here (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/entry.php?70-The-Wizards-Rules).

[SKAWF]

The Vast Mystery et al,

What is being discussed here is the difference between science and magic.

Magic works, but science doesn't know how it works as it doesn't have the tools or the framework of reference to fathom it, and hasn't done so since the inaptly named Age of Enlightenment in the 18th century which separated alchemy from science and thus spirit from matter.

It has been of immense value to the powers-that-be that they may very well have invented science to 'debunk magic', so that they could continue using it in a hidden (occult) way to control us. Whether it was intentional or not, this is what has happened, although their magical powers and knowledge are low and waning now.

It is this kind of way of perception that has helped me see through all this Drake nonsense to a large degree. A friend posted recently The Wizard's Rules in his blog on my forum, and I'd like to share three of the most important rules in terms of the subject of this thread here, and the first one is at the root of all effective psy-ops, but particularly channelling.

The Wizard's Rules

"People are stupid, they will believe something because they want it to be true; or because they're afraid it might be true."―Wizard's First Rule: Chapter 36, page 397

Given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they're afraid it might be true. People's heads are full of knowledge, facts and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool.


This second rule reminds me of the 'love 'n light' brigade section of Drake's followers.

The Wizard's Rules 2

"The greatest harm can result from the best intentions."―Stone of Tears: Chapter 63, page 886

Kindness and good intentions can be an insidious path to destruction. Sometimes doing what seems right is wrong, and can cause harm. The only counter to it is knowledge, wisdom, forethought, and understanding the First Rule. Even then, that is not always enough.


And this third rule, to me, sums up the whole of Drake's offering in so far as he can talk the talk, but cannot walk the walk, because he's not in truth. So his visions of a Utopian Golden Age Promised Land are riven with the rivers of blood of executions, guillotines and firing squads... but still he keeps the love n' light brigade on board because of Rules No 1 and 2.


The Wizard's Rules 9

"A contradiction can not exist in reality. Not in part, nor in whole."―Chainfire: Chapter 48, page 489

To believe in a contradiction is to abdicate your belief in the existence of the world around you and the nature of the things in it, to instead embrace any random impulse that strikes your fancy - to imagine something is real simply because you wish it were. A thing is what it is, it is itself. There can be no contradictions. Faith is a device of self-delusion, a sleight of hand done with words and emotions founded on any irrational notion that can be dreamed up. Faith is the attempt to coerce truth to surrender to whim. In simple terms, it is trying to breathe life into a lie by trying to outshine reality with the beauty of wishes. Faith is the refuge of fools, the ignorant, and the deluded, not of thinking, rational men.In reality, contradictions cannot exist. To believe in them you must abandon the most important thing you possess: your rational mind. The wager for such a bargain is your life. In such an exchange, you always lose what you have at stake.

These three rules have served me very well during these discussions over the last few months as the Drake Dragon has twisted and turned in different directions, and have enabled me to bruise the serpent's head under my heel. I hope it helps others too.

You can read the full article on The Wizards' Rules here (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/entry.php?70-The-Wizards-Rules).

i think science magick and spirituality are not so separate.

this links them together

17350

you could look at this wave, and see how harmony, opposition, polarity, balance, amplitude and the other characteristics of a 'wave' have affected this thread.
i see those same principles as being fundamental throughout everything i observe.
cycles and waves for me at least are at the core of everything.

now if you were to look at the zodiac for example....
you would find that directly opposite leo (fire), is aquarius (water),
just like the polar opposites in the waveform diagram

then the concept that one force can can be nullified by an equal oppsosite force....
OR that where two opposing forces have countered each other, it takes very little to tip the balance one way or the other.

i could go on all day about this

what helped me to get there was

the understanding of energy.......in relation to the spirit
and how the laws of physics apply to it.

steve

[Anchor]

TVM,

I encountered many people at the graduate level who tried to over think things. I supposed it is a requirement for some. As for me, I prefer to just do. Some things, like breathing, are just the natural order of things. I suppose you could analyze the mechanics of it to death, but that wouldn't change its function or necessity.

It becomes entirely necessary when someone begins to make outrageous claims regarding the properties of breathing. An example: Breatharians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breatharians). Without this verification one would never know that they are in fact doing what it is they believe they are doing and not being deceived by themselves or others. Like I said before, really most of what Science is good for is seeing who's being led along or lying about what they say. It can't tell us exactly what is happening but it's quite useful in telling us what is most definitely NOT happening. :)

So it may be "over complicating" things as far as being unnecessary knowledge to simply breathe. It becomes a requirement the moment you begin to wish to do anything other than unconsciously breathe. Especially so of someone entering a foreign environment. If you didn't know about how your lungs worked you could easily inhale poison gas, or exhale a compound poisonous to the environment. Even on Earth many species of animal, simply by performing their "natural behavior" will destroy a new ecosystem if they're introduced into a foreign environment by an outside source (such as human or ET intervention.) This makes the case that such individuals if they are being sent in, should need to be fully aware of everything it is that they are doing on a conscious level.

If they are not aware of everything it is that they are doing then there's a huge potential for even a well-meaning species to cause catastrophic unintended consequences merely by doing something that may work great for them but terrible in their new foreign environment. It is only by demonstrating in full that they have done their due scientific diligence to ensuring that such things cannot occur that they would be able to make an honest case for their good intentions. Then we could say that they not only are not intending harm, but that they will not unintentionally cause great harm as well. It's only after that has been established that any reasonable human being could even decide on whether or not they wanted any of this "help" being offered.


I was also going to suggest trying the process of "cloud erasing". I do it all the time and it works in demonstrating how open water vapor is to thought forms. However, it doesn't require a double blind study or some type of peer review, so I doubt that you would find that useful ;)

Sounds interesting, I'll look it up. However if you can reproduce it reliably I'd say you 'ought to head on over to JREF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi_Educational_Foundation) as they will pay if you can demonstrate any of this to them, and quite well. I'm not going to really involve myself so much in practicing these things as I already understand my unfortunate weakness to my own subjective bias. As well, I was never one claiming to have such abilities in the first place. As far as I've seen the only thing I ever did that seemed out of the ordinary was had an adrenaline surge help me restrain someone in a fight who'd have normally knocked me out. The rest of it were just other people confronting me with their own experiences and saying I was somehow "involved" with them.


When I was about 17, I was all about science.

Science did not explain it all.

So, I decided to take a leap of faith.

Instead of trying to bridge the chasm between the known and the unknown, constructed with the material of scientific understanding, I took a long hard "thoughtful" run up and then with a freaking huge leap of faith I just jumped.

The original plan was to work back to where I had started from and "prove" it to everyone, but the plan suffered from the its first engagement with the former enemy "reality".

Once I had landed, everything was so amazing I did not bother going back.

I also discovered I was not alone.

So now, I know what I know. I know why faith is what it is.

I know that proof and evidence is not possible to give to a person who is not me and the people here with me.

Last week my wife tripped backwards and fell in our veggie garden, and bumped her back on a raised bed corner.

While she was laying in the grass, engaging with Gaia for some healing assistance to fix the damage, for about 15 minutes, she amused herself by turning the clouds into pictures of little scottie dogs.

I watched her fall and yet I knew that all was well.

Afterwards no bruises.

Science.... its really more like systematic common sense for people that cannot see past our dense vibration.

That said, I am sure that science will build that bridge for those that wish to cross that way one day.

(Sorry this has nothing to do with Drake, but it seemed to fit in the off topic spur of this thread)

[Chester]

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Dear the_vast_mystery and justoneman and anyone else that has asked me a question that I have not answered...

I am not able to answer your questions at this time I am choosing to keep my focus on other matters that have called to me to be put on my priority list.... this Drake topic is much lower on the list... thank you for understanding.

I have no need to defend myself to anyone. And as much as I would like to be able to answer every question I am not able to do that... I will if and or when the time to do that presents itself to do so...

I will add that if anyone is interested in talking with me I am a much better talker that a writer....so PM me and we can set up a time to talk if that would be helpful ...typing for me takes 3 times as long as talking...

Again thank you for understanding!!

Much love :grouphug:

Thanks Kimberly - if I recall correctly... seems you do an internet radio show? If I am thinking correctly i remember hearing your show once and really liked your style and felt comfortable you are a very genuine person. The reason I asked you to ask my question to Drake is because I thought (perhaps wrongly) that you had access to Drake. he has never responded to my questions... Thanks anyway in that if you have the opportunity to ask about that, I would greatly appreciate knowing if these "good guy" ETs believe that executions could be a possibility (as opposed to perhaps life long incarceration in which attempts might be made to allow each convicted cabalist the opportunity to resolve the inner issues and perhaps cause the potential demonic influences to get some "mirror" time... something I know they particularly loathe). justone

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Wonder if any of those have ever stopped to re-examine what they 'believed' was their intuitive sense about Drake & mass arrests, are now ready to admit it was just their wishful thinking...

An unexamined life is one not worth living - Socrates

turiya -*-

I definitely will admit that was a good part of why I originally was behind the plan. Yep, very true. justoneman

[Chester]

TVM,

I encountered many people at the graduate level who tried to over think things. I suppose it is a requirement for some. As for me, I prefer to just do. Some things, like breathing, are just the natural order of things. One could easily analyze the mechanics of it to death, but that wouldn't change its function or necessity.

I was also going to suggest trying the process of "cloud erasing". I do it all the time and it works in demonstrating how open water vapor is to thought forms. However, it doesn't require a double blind study or some type of peer review, so I doubt that you would find that useful;)

I have experienced multiple miracle creations... what many folks would call miracles. I now realize I simply tapped a part of myself that is intimately tied with my perceived reality and somehow was able to energize something within this inner / outer dynamic which then created the miraculous event.

So actually these experiences are not miracles after all, just simply things we can do which most of us (well, at leat me for most of my life) had forgotten can be done.

It is physics and that the observer and the observation are intimately tied together. This is known science to many. It is the heart of synchronicity too... well, that's my opinion based on years of study of the phenomena.

justoneman

[the_vast_mystery]

When I was about 17, I was all about science.

Science did not explain it all.

So, I decided to take a leap of faith.

Instead of trying to bridge the chasm between the known and the unknown, constructed with the material of scientific understanding, I took a long hard "thoughtful" run up and then with a freaking huge leap of faith I just jumped.

The original plan was to work back to where I had started from and "prove" it to everyone, but the plan suffered from the its first engagement with the former enemy "reality".

Once I had landed, everything was so amazing I did not bother going back.

I also discovered I was not alone.

So now, I know what I know. I know why faith is what it is.

I know that proof and evidence means nothing to a person who is not me and the people here with me.

Last week my wife tripped and fell in our veggie garden, and bumped her back.

While she was laying in the grass, engaging with Gaia for some healing assistance to fix the damage, for about 15 minutes, she amused herself by turning the clouds into pictures of little scottie dogs.

I watched her fall and knew that all was well.

Afterwards no bruises.

Science.... its really more like systematic common sense for people that cannot see past our dense vibration.

That said, I am sure that science will build that bridge for those that wish to cross that way one day.

That sounds awfully nice and very artful, however it conveys very little to me other than "Faith > Reason." I took a leap of faith too, had a nice long tumble as I fell and am now putting myself back together after hitting the rocky ground that is reality. I've seen enough holes to know our current science operates with its own blind spots. However it also has over time been the single source of all of the most accurate models we have for understanding anything. I am convinced that for all its errors if is still the best working base we have to create an accurate and unbiased understanding of the world. Especially given that it's a constantly-evolving, self-correcting process.

That doesn't mean I'm not open to listening to alternatives as well. But considering the mindset I'm in the material needs to be presented in a way that I can understand it and make complete sense of it. So unfortunately the poetic format above does not sit well as it reminds me too heavily of religious mental/emotional conditioning. Which, I'll admit, I'm a little sensitive to anything that sounds too much like religion because of my own past family situation. I even gave religious thinking an honest try and for several months tried to believe as hard as I could and control my thinking to make me believe. It just didn't work though and came crashing down around the time I discovered David Wilcock was a fraud. So while I'm willing to admit my own ignorance may hide a clear understanding of all that is being conveyed I can at least say that unfortunately the above style of presentation only makes me less enthusiastic about the message and more likely to suspect the person presenting it.

There should be a way to prove these claims. Because if you can cause events to occur according to whatever you believe are doing (which impacts the physical world) and can reproduce doing so reliably there should be a way to design a set of experiments which should make the case for what you are saying. It might be that as of yet no one has created the exacting language needed for a suitable conceptual bridge, but I'm confident it should be possible. I simply would expect any prospective "higher being," having a far greater understanding of both the universe and of course the scientific human mindset would be able to immediately provide such a bridge on request. It would go a long way towards proving they are who they say they are and also make a great way for them to advocate to all peoples their good intent rather than to merely those that are religiously or spiritually inclined.

[Anchor]

There should be a way to prove these claims. Because if you can cause events to occur according to whatever you believe are doing (which impacts the physical world) and can reproduce doing so reliably there should be a way to design a set of experiments which should make the case for what you are saying.

Your problem, as I perceive it, is that the "physical world" is not what a lot of people, perhaps even you, assume it to be.

This is why scientists using the models they are using, encounter problems with consciousness.

Especially those who work in a quantum physics context. It is why they now find that experiments have to be done in enclosures to prevent them from being observed (collapsing wave functions and all that).

I really like engaging on this topic, but I think we are so far off the topic of the thread that I feel a bit guilty :)

We need a new or appropriate thread.

[Unified Serenity]

There should be a way to prove these claims. Because if you can cause events to occur according to whatever you believe are doing (which impacts the physical world) and can reproduce doing so reliably there should be a way to design a set of experiments which should make the case for what you are saying.

Your problem, as I perceive it is that the "physical world" is not what a lot of people, perhaps even you, assume it to be.

This is why scientists using the models they are using, encounter problems with consciousness.

Especially those who work in a quantum physics context. It is why they now find that experiments have to be done in enclosures to prevent them from being observed (collapsing wave functions and all that).

I really like engaging on this topic, but I think we are so far off the topic of the thread that I feel a bit guilty :)

We need a new or appropriate thread.

Well, this is my problem in regard to science and astro physics and how all that ties into various stuff like sacred geometry. I love Nassim Haramein, and he presents what looks like great stuff to me that makes it look sensible as he presents it, but if someone is not up really on the science of space how does one really know if what he is saying makes sense. The five platonic solids and folding of space etc, energy grids and throw in golden ratio and fibernacci sequence and it looks like there is a beautiful divine plan, but does it tie together? The flower of life is fascinating to me, and I think this is what caught my attention in this area first. Is there anyone who has really done the science work and worked with Nassim? Laviolette also comes to mind in all of this. I am not starting another thread for a while, LOL.

[KosmicKat]

I can't offer much (certainly nothing that would qualify as mainstream science) but my interest in music led me to learn about the fibonacci sequence and spirals in nature. Long since lost track of the reference but I came across a beautiful illustration of the way that ascending (or descending) octaves make a spiral pattern which also explained the "pythagorean comma" that makes it impossible for strings tuned two or more perfect octaves apart to resonate in tune above or below unison (i.e. if you have a guitar with the "E" strings perfectly tuned to each other the "G" will sound slightly discordant with the "g").

[Anchor]

Well, this is my problem in regard to science and astro physics and how all that ties into various stuff like sacred geometry. I love Nassim Herrimein, and he presents what looks like great stuff to me that makes it look sensible as he presents it, but if someone is not up really on the science of space how does one really know if what he is saying makes sense. The five platonic solids and folding of space etc, energy grids and throw in golden ratio and fibernacci sequence and it looks like there is a beautiful divine plan, but does it tie together? The flower of life is fascinating to me, and I think this is what caught my attention in this area first. Is there anyone who has really done the science work and worked with Nassim? Laviolette also comes to mind in all of this. I am not starting another thread for a while, LOL.

This kind of physics is a kind of art. The inquiring mind observes patterns, and then for a host of reasons (desire to be of service, ego, whatever it is) they wish to share this observation and therefore communicate it. The presentation of it, by them is a kind of art.

The method and language of "Science" or Physics is one disciplined approach to do this and it seeks to remove doubt, but I think it cannot succeed except within its own self-imposed constraints, which ends up being its own undoing. It is not useless though. It is valid. It helps.

The patterns and systems these inquiring minds observe and communicate, in our local realities, are archetypes of creation that are relevant to us at this time. It is a consensus reality - co-created.

The service these people provide is beneficial if it helps others accelerate in understanding or awareness.

Science and physics also has its pitfalls - mainstream funded and controlled science has become a tool for the elite to control thinking on a massive scale.

We all know on this forum that scientists who discover useful things, especially free-energy related, and who attempt to "go public" are bought, discredited in some way, made criminals, killed or end up in a loony bin (whoa... nearly back on topic :) )

Regardless, we are all up against a very core problem of trying to tackle the infinite, with a finite mindset.

Abstraction does not come easy.

Art and poetry, allegory, imagery, are the only ways for one entity to have a chance of coming close to articulating one of an infinite number of paths of exploration.

It is also completely in line with freewill, because the observer makes their own subjective analysis of the information (which may be completely different to what was intended).

There is proof - but it is within, and when you find bits and pieces of it, it is only totally valid for you. Of course, that does not stop you, or me, trying to explain it - and I cant see any harm in it. So long as we tell the truth as best we know it and don't try to infringe on the freewill of others.

[SKAWF]

There should be a way to prove these claims. Because if you can cause events to occur according to whatever you believe are doing (which impacts the physical world) and can reproduce doing so reliably there should be a way to design a set of experiments which should make the case for what you are saying.

Your problem, as I perceive it, is that the "physical world" is not what a lot of people, perhaps even you, assume it to be.

This is why scientists using the models they are using, encounter problems with consciousness.

Especially those who work in a quantum physics context. It is why they now find that experiments have to be done in enclosures to prevent them from being observed (collapsing wave functions and all that).

I really like engaging on this topic, but I think we are so far off the topic of the thread that I feel a bit guilty :)

We need a new or appropriate thread.

why cant this thread be turned from a negative.... into a positive?

as it stands i like it the way it is!
there have been ups and downs
arguments and the rest....

and out of the back of it,
comes something positive that restores the balance

[LarryC]

<< There should be a way to prove these claims. Because if you can cause events to occur according to whatever you believe are doing (which impacts the physical world) and can reproduce doing so reliably there should be a way to design a set of experiments which should make the case for what you are saying. >>

I am jumping into a complicated discussion here, but to me the above summarizes something important about the modern, conventional, rationalist-materialist paradigm. The preoccupation with double blind studies and reproducible results implies a universe where everything is mechanical and can be quantified. But what if everything doesn't work that way? We can all see evidence that many things are predictable and repeatable, at least to some extent. But so many things don't fit into this kind of framework. They are called anomalies, and usually just cast aside and ignored because they don't conveniently fit the model. It may very well be that the most events occur outside the reliable, Aristotelian universe where A is always A and two things cannot inhabit the same space at the same time.

[the_vast_mystery]

<< There should be a way to prove these claims. Because if you can cause events to occur according to whatever you believe are doing (which impacts the physical world) and can reproduce doing so reliably there should be a way to design a set of experiments which should make the case for what you are saying. >>

I am jumping into a complicated discussion here, but to me the above summarizes something important about the modern, conventional, rationalist-materialist paradigm. The preoccupation with double blind studies and reproducible results implies a universe where everything is mechanical and can be quantified. But what if everything doesn't work that way? We can all see evidence that many things are predictable and repeatable, at least to some extent. But so many things don't fit into this kind of framework. They are called anomalies, and usually just cast aside and ignored because they don't conveniently fit the model. It may very well be that the most events occur outside the reliable, Aristotelian universe where A is always A and two things cannot inhabit the same space at the same time.

The problem with this is that even if it is the case then that STILL is provable via the Scientific method. Even if we've got a huge amount of current scientific thought that was formed from certain erroneous conclusions, science as a self-correcting process offers the method to replacing it with more correct information. You just need to get your head fully around the idea you're trying to advance, and do the legwork to prove it via math/experimentation/etc. If you can generate enough data to back up what you say then eventually you will have to be taken seriously due to being more adept at explaining the universe in all its wonder.

As well not all Science is so "mechanical." Social sciences often revolve around mapping out correlating factors and attempting to find the ones that appear to predict certain behavior. It's not precise but it offers a window into possibly understanding the human mind and human development. It just usually seems that the people who attempt to espouse any scientific basis for what they are saying don't actually go the full Monty and attempt to refute everything at its source via the scientific method. Again, many people love to quote quantum mechanics like it was second nature but without understanding the math that goes into quantum mechanics it becomes trivial for your attempt to explain something to unintentionally go off-the-rails. This is why I think that even if science does have some gaping holes it demonstrates the process and rigor necessary to actually prove anything is definitively happening rather than us merely imagining it is happening because we want it to happen. Without any definitive process to guard against the myriad types of subjective bias or outright delusion I don't think any fruitful work can be done in obtaining a real understanding of anything.

[Avocadess]

Cobra gives a lot of very interesting details in this audio-oriented video (from July 3, 2012). Great stuff. Thank you, Cobra!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJtzXqyBjy4&;feature=player_embedded

or (alternative link to same page):

http://alturl.com/c8b9r


REMINDER: Drake's Wednesday Internet Radio Show, Global Voice 2012, will air this evening 6:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. Central Time (4:00 to 7:00pm Pacific, 7:00 to 10:00pm Eastern):

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/global-voice-2012-radio-network/2012/07/11/gvr--drake-mid-week-update--wednesday-1

or (alternative link to same page):

http://alturl.com/qyrax


Wishing you the best day EVER..!!

Avocadess


******* And here I am reposting some encouraging astronomical interpretations from an astrologer:

"The article is entitled - 'Uranus Retrograde: The Collapse of Satan's Pyramid'. It originates from www.Tokenrock.com/blog (shortened version on Rumormill). It is far to long to post here but I will give a few quotes to let you know the trend of the article.

'Beginning July 13, the false empire that has been erected over humanity by those who serve evil and who rebel against God will experience a controlled demolition that will stunj and stagger those with the eyes for it. An onslaught of covert strikes will be dealt to them from beyond the boundary of space-time that will induce sudden catastrophies,malfunctions, and terminations of their efforts to enslave and destroy life on planet Earth. As many of their leaders fall voids of authority will allow for humanity to gain vantage points that will allow for the Light to overtake once dark territory. As this ancient battle continues wondrous cultural and evolutionary changes will enthrall the citizens of Earth. This retrograde, which ends December 13th, leads us to the doorstep of a new age. I welcome all who seek higher awareness about the momentous times in which we live to my humble interpretation of the 2012 Uranus retrograde in the House of Aries.

"The writer (Salvador Russo) continues with details of what he sees expiring over the next few months, with accompanying astrological indicators, with the final paragraph of this section concluding -

"'Expect to witness the rise of self-sustaining commjunities that decentralize power from those who have sought to obtain oppressive control. A growing sense of cultural self-reliance will rise along with easy-to-replicate systems, models, and processes that local governments will use to effectively and prosperously meet the needs of their constituents. These types of solutions will be exported and implemented in other locations with ease, like software being shared amongst computers. Technology will play an increasingly important role in the healing of society, the global economy, and the potentiation of mankind.

"There follows a piece on the entry of Saturn into Scorpio which occurs on October 5th (not printed on Rumormill) - which includes - 'Horrifying disclosures that will implicate the highest offices with the most heinous crimes will be a major transit theme...'.

"As an astrologer I found these articles very true to the astrological meaning of Uranus and Saturn in their respective transits, and the articles the best I have come across in a long while. The writer seems to me to be a very genuine and inspired person.

"My hope is that others who read this and have access to other forums and platforms might spread this around. I feel it would give us all a great lift of spirit at this time."

[from Noela]

[StarDust]

Thanks as always Avocadess!

[gripreaper]

Here's a little update, clarification, AND MORE!!! from Cobra's JUly 3rd Interview:

C: I have said many times before that all negative ET’s have been cleared out. They are not existing anymore. There are no Greys flying in UFO’s around, there are no Reptilians in the earth and no motherships, there are no Reptilian bases anywhere. This is gone completely. The only thing that remains is the Cabal. They are actually extraterrestrials , which have invaded this planet many lifetimes ago, and they keep reincarnating in the same positions of power. Apart from that we have the non-physical Archons, which have also invaded from other planets and are here like I would say ghosts on the interdimensional planes and maintaining this quarantine. There are no negative ET forces flying around in their mother ships or UFO’s. That is gone.

A: That is great to hear. Now do you also agree with some of the news that is coming out that there are different ET factions per continent on the planet?

C: In the Cabal yes. You have the Rothschilds faction, which is the Orion, I would say the Orion forces. You have the Rockefeller faction, which more the Draconians and you have the Jesuit faction, which is a mixture of Andromedans and Reptilians.

C: And they basically are headquartered in various parts of the world, is what you are saying?

C: Oh yes! The Rothschilds mostly control Europe and you have the Rockefellers, which mostly control the United States, and you have the Jesuits for the rest of the world

http://galacticconnection.com/cobra-interview-transcript-from-july-3-2012

So, this thread should be buzzing with excitement and a huge party taking place, with ALL the bad ET's gone! Where is everybody?

[Anchor]

Where is everybody?

In most stories I read or was told, when the dragon was slain, the hero used to bring the head back to show everyone it was really done.

[gripreaper]

HERE FIRST HOUR TRANSCRIPT OF DRAKE SHOW RIGHT NOW

Boy, now this is really... Well, you'll see. Read it.

Dynamite news: Denise says we need to make the Canadian Story go viral against the Vatican.

Lady Dragon’s article has been picked up by Google, and no one is reporting this story except Lady Dragon. She is on top of the story, and she will be the first to know of any updates. Lady Dragon will make this go forward and with lady Dragon spearheading this effort; the elite won’t be able to put this story under the web.

Drake knows for a fact that the elite do not want certain information to come out.

Lady Dragon has news on Monsanto. She has a bill she is keeping her eye on which is very serious; with GMO seeds they will be able to plant their seeds no matter what. Drake asked her what the bill is, and Lady Dragon said she would put her people “on it” and find out what the bill number is.

Drake is telling us what people don’t understand. The shot heard around the world, the person who pulled the trigger is not really the person who pulled the trigger. It’s a form of psychology and reality too. The reality starts with the “Law of the Sea” which can be found at link:

http://www.heritage.org/research/all-research.aspx?categories=report

It limits the legal limitation of boundary and changes that, among other things. It disallows some of the present enterprises that use the sea, such as fishing, mining, and drilling, etcetera.

The United Nations small arms treaty: Drake read the whole thing today and it’s a mess. No semi automatic weapons. Local, national and international registration with the United Nations will be required. This stuff has been in the works since the 50’s.

Drake wants us to do an e-mail and phone blast to the UN and tell them how we feel. Everybody needs to call their representatives. Tell them their vote at the UN makes them treasonous.

Drake wants us to “hold our fire”. Our right to bear arms is being taken away. Now web sites are being shut down! We have a right to freedom of speech. They have been taking this away for some time. We need to wake up!

You need to call the pentagon and object. Call anyone you can think of and tell them what you think! The UN vote on the 27th will not go well. A lot of the militia’s have been itchy and have been cleaning their guns, and there are 3 million, or 10 million? Drake guarantee’s that these militia will not stand for confiscation. Drake hopes the military is listening! Drake has been cleaning his guns and making sure the clips are loaded.

Drake is suggesting, if any representatives are listening, that you vote against this UN resolution. This is curdling Drake’s milk. Cottage cheese is okay in some cases, but Drake has roto-rooters running through him right now and he’s upset the way veterans are being treated, after defending this country, now they want to take away our guns?

TPP. It is a corporate partnership, it’s NAFTA on steroids! It takes all rights and puts it under corporate dictatorship! This is posted on Drake’s website. That Monsanto rider bill where they can do whatever they want? Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) crawled out from under a rock and now they want to put us all under corporate dictatorship.

Drake explains a “knock knock” where you can take someone in a room and knock them off and not hear any sound outside. Drake says he bets Monsanto is paying for the bill with payoff to congress.

Come on you military, if you are listening. Make an arrest! Go, Go, GO !!! It needs to happen and it needs to happen soon. The “break-off” day is July 27th with the small arms treaty vote. The people I’m talking about are not going to sit down anymore. We’re talking experienced people who are doing experienced things. You really think a quarter of a million people cannot go snatch 500?

If they come to get my guns I’m going to go hunting. That’s all there is to it. If the military won’t do the job, then you’re irrelevant! Drake hopes and prays it does not come to this, but Drake does not see any alternative at this point.

Get ready for war.

Drake wants to take a break so he can calm down and asks Denise if she can play a song. She plays "We Are The World"

[gripreaper]

FROM LADY DRAGON WEBSITE:

Please Prepare for THE EVENT!

What is THE EVENT ?

THE EVENT is where you will see on your television a MASS ARREST of bankers, financials and other people including the bad aliens who have been working together in order to enslave humanity.

Yes, I said ALIENS.

There are good and there are bad aliens.

Welcome to your new reality :)

The Good Aliens have been working in tandem with Secret Sacred Societies in order to remove the bad aliens from this planet in order to free us from their enslavery.

For those who are new to this, if this is a shock to you, well that is peanut what I just said :)

When THE EVENT happens, many -- and I mean many -- people will fall off their chairs in total shock on how they have been lied to.

The horrible truth of what they have done to us will come to light.

This is why we have made this website, and this section is done in order to guide you to positive actions :)

ARRESTS ARE IMMINENT

The first thing to do is to prepare yourself in case of major disruptions.

Although disruptions are not forseen, it is better be prepared, just in case :)

Make sure you have food, water and anything else for at least 1 week.

Form an emergency group where you can help put the word out about the TRUTH.

When THE EVENT happens;

What to know

1. Bankers/Illuminati/Cabal/Government have been running the world and doing bad things.

2. White hats including old money, military, veterans, federal marshals, and local law officials are going to arrest them.

3. Media may say it’s martial law and try to spread panic, but the actions are lawful and benefit humanity.

4. International travel will be stopped for 3 days. Some facilities wired to explode will be off limits for safety.

What to do

1. The goal is to transition peacefully and safely. There will likely be disruptions in local travel, food supply, water supply, and electricity.

2. Make sure you have necessities for 72 hours and ideally 30 days.

3. Remain calm. Support the troops and law officers that are arresting thousands of criminals guilty of heinous crimes against us all. Research stories on the internet to assure yourself that the arresters are good and the arrestees are bad.

What not to do

1. You are going to find out that the cabal have done terrible things to you, your family, and humanity.

2. Don’t believe that every one of them is as guilty as the leaders.

3. Some were forced to act and were threatened with torture.

4. Do not panic.

5. Do not riot.

6. Do not run into a bank and start shooting people.

Drake gave the timeline on April 08, 2012 that THE EVENT will happen 30 to 45 days from that date; therefore, between May 08 and 23. The Timeline has been extended for a few weeks and explained by Drake while talking with LadyDragon.

http://www.fcm2012.com/event.html

[gripreaper]

COBRA FOR JULY 11, THE PLAN!!!!!!

This is supposed to be up any time now, as Lady Dragon has previewed it with her special connection with Cobra, and we should have it soon.

http://2012portal.blogspot.ca/

For those who prefer the audio version of "THE CAVALRY IS COMING!!!" here's the link:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJtzXqyBjy4&feature=player_embedded

[LarryC]

<< There should be a way to prove these claims. Because if you can cause events to occur according to whatever you believe are doing (which impacts the physical world) and can reproduce doing so reliably there should be a way to design a set of experiments which should make the case for what you are saying. >>

I am jumping into a complicated discussion here, but to me the above summarizes something important about the modern, conventional, rationalist-materialist paradigm. The preoccupation with double blind studies and reproducible results implies a universe where everything is mechanical and can be quantified. But what if everything doesn't work that way? We can all see evidence that many things are predictable and repeatable, at least to some extent. But so many things don't fit into this kind of framework. They are called anomalies, and usually just cast aside and ignored because they don't conveniently fit the model. It may very well be that the most events occur outside the reliable, Aristotelian universe where A is always A and two things cannot inhabit the same space at the same time.

The problem with this is that even if it is the case then that STILL is provable via the Scientific method. Even if we've got a huge amount of current scientific thought that was formed from certain erroneous conclusions, science as a self-correcting process offers the method to replacing it with more correct information. You just need to get your head fully around the idea you're trying to advance, and do the legwork to prove it via math/experimentation/etc. If you can generate enough data to back up what you say then eventually you will have to be taken seriously due to being more adept at explaining the universe in all its wonder.

As well not all Science is so "mechanical." Social sciences often revolve around mapping out correlating factors and attempting to find the ones that appear to predict certain behavior. It's not precise but it offers a window into possibly understanding the human mind and human development. It just usually seems that the people who attempt to espouse any scientific basis for what they are saying don't actually go the full Monty and attempt to refute everything at its source via the scientific method. Again, many people love to quote quantum mechanics like it was second nature but without understanding the math that goes into quantum mechanics it becomes trivial for your attempt to explain something to unintentionally go off-the-rails. This is why I think that even if science does have some gaping holes it demonstrates the process and rigor necessary to actually prove anything is definitively happening rather than us merely imagining it is happening because we want it to happen. Without any definitive process to guard against the myriad types of subjective bias or outright delusion I don't think any fruitful work can be done in obtaining a real understanding of anything.

I agree that if the idealistic principles of science are followed, then it does indeed have a self-correcting mechanism. That's a really big IF in a world where science is almost inseparable from economics and politics. Yet, even beyond this, I think there is a realm where experimentation itself is limited. You can't quantify, for example, emotions, art, mystical experiences or dreams. You might be able to identify pathways, but you would never get the exact same experience twice, nor would you want to.

For example, a shaman might take a certain substance to induce a certain type of vision, and modern psychedelic researchers have done studies on the effects of these drugs. Yet the actual experiences are part of a realm that is beyond words or categories. This doesn't mean science has no practical value, which it obviously does.

<< Without any definitive process to guard against the myriad types of subjective bias or outright delusion I don't think any fruitful work can be done in obtaining a real understanding of anything. >>

Again, many experiences are subjective by nature, and even terms like delusion (or hallucination) are themselves biased, assuming that there's one objectively real REALITY. We can interact in an objective world, as it's useful in many ways, but we shouldn't assume that's all there is.

[the_vast_mystery]

I agree that if the idealistic principles of science are followed, then it does indeed have a self-correcting mechanism. That's a really big IF in a world where science is almost inseparable from economics and politics. Yet, even beyond this, I think there is a realm where experimentation itself is limited. You can't quantify, for example, emotions, art, mystical experiences or dreams. You might be able to identify pathways, but you would never get the exact same experience twice, nor would you want to.

I'd certainly agree but without mapping out first all of the pathways and narrowing down the deterministic aspects we can control for we never will be able to achieve a true and deeper understanding of those subjective experiences as well. Social sciences are set up that way, and I think it's probably the only way you can go about trying to figure people out. We're not machines but if we can root out all of the machine-like aspects then that enables us to also see quite clearly people for who they are rather than only taking a surface-look at what may or may not be them. Without that mapping we are left only to take wild guesses about as accurate as trying to hit an archery target blindfolded (after being spun around until dizzy.)


For example, a shaman might take a certain substance to induce a certain type of vision, and modern psychedelic researchers have done studies on the effects of these drugs. Yet the actual experiences are part of a realm that is beyond words or categories. This doesn't mean science has no practical value, which it obviously does.

Yes, but until we have a way of determining the frauds/charlatans in various mystical fields how much use those experiences have to the average person who might consider partaking in them is very limited. The problem isn't that a shaman goes into a trance, receives a vision and then translates that to whomever they went in for. It's that there are so many people who can convincingly pretend to be Shamans and do all of the above that there's simply no way to take the experience for what it is. We're left constantly trying to figure out who's lying and who's not. This is why I say that process is important, to get to those subjective experiences we first need to be able to map out who is definitely NOT having them so that we can build greater trust in those who do.


Again, many experiences are subjective by nature, and even terms like delusion (or hallucination) are themselves biased, assuming that there's one objectively real REALITY. We can interact in an objective world, as it's useful in many ways, but we shouldn't assume that's all there is.

Yes, I'll agree the terminology is still itself inexact and prone to misuse, and that's a problem. We have no clear definitions yet because we still can't sort out who's lying (to themselves or others) and who's not. We're getting there, we're starting to get a grasp on psychopathy for instance. Just not quite all the way. Once we can be sure that no one will be made a fool of, then the trust can be built.

[LarryC]

<< Yes, but until we have a way of determining the frauds/charlatans in various mystical fields how much use those experiences have to the average person who might consider partaking in them is very limited. The problem isn't that a shaman goes into a trance, receives a vision and then translates that to whomever they went in for. It's that there are so many people who can convincingly pretend to be Shamans and do all of the above that there's simply no way to take the experience for what it is. We're left constantly trying to figure out who's lying and who's not. This is why I say that process is important, to get to those subjective experiences we first need to be able to map out who is definitely NOT having them so that we can build greater trust in those who do.>>

The only real solution to this is to become our own shamans. That way we don't have to be so concerned about whether the experiences and statements of others are authentic or not.

[the_vast_mystery]

That would be nice, but to become "our own" shaman we'd first need to be 100% sure we were not lying to ourselves and that the person we found to teach us shamanism was not themselves lying in any way either. There is no way to establish trust because there is no definitive starting point where we can be sure we are partaking in an undistorted, correct way of going about it. I mean I can say that certain people (This forum has a few of them) obviously seem very genuine about their practice. However when it comes into the realm of forming definite conclusions my trust is only at best a gamble I'm taking because I'm still making any assessment of anyone based on the idea that:

1: I would know in any way who I could trust.
2: I am able to research correctly into shamanism
3: That I could use item 2 and 1 to determine a good shamanic instructor.

But the problem is the first two, is that it would be trivial for a myriad of circumstances to prevent me from ever being able to figure out individual trust on a personal level let alone be able to even judge the quality of an instructor in a practice I am not even sure I'm correctly acquainted with yet. Similarly I could have my research sabotaged by any number of subjective biases or simply not be competent at academic level research. Now, I'm certain I have some level of competency at those things but I am not certain the level of that competency. And it is because of that issue that I am able to be quite certain in absolute terms of only one thing: I am unable to judge in any way who would be right to learn from or what information regarding shamanism is accurate.

Therefore, my assessments of anyone else's abilities could be hopelessly flawed, and worse yet I might lack the metacognitive ability to realize my own assessment is hopelessly flawed.

Because of that it can be considered that it would be impossible for me to even learn shamanism because I would never be able to be certain of any instruction I had received because there was never any one point I could be certain neither I nor the other person was in any way being deceptive or reiterating information that was based on past deception. (such as distorted teachings that could be passed down for instance.)

I might form ideas and attempt to convince myself of their certainty to establish a faux-trust, but that trust would be based on the illusion that I had in all certainty established and verified the accuracy of all material; as well as that I was fully mentally capable of making that assessment. (Which of course for a start is impossible if you're the newbie learning from someone else.) So really, without figuring out who's lying beforehand there's just no certain way to do it.

I could still take a gamble, like everyone else. But I would rather not gamble on such important matters.

[9eagle9]

These people would be ever so much more gratified in their personal lives if they would just accept their great story telling ability and become published novelists. Apparently this is an expression straining to come out that is mis-directed.

Rule of writing number 1) The story line is so good it becomes real to the person (author) expressing it.

If it doesn't, it sucks.



Here's a little update, clarification, AND MORE!!! from Cobra's JUly 3rd Interview:

C: I have said many times before that all negative ET’s have been cleared out. They are not existing anymore. There are no Greys flying in UFO’s around, there are no Reptilians in the earth and no motherships, there are no Reptilian bases anywhere. This is gone completely. The only thing that remains is the Cabal. They are actually extraterrestrials , which have invaded this planet many lifetimes ago, and they keep reincarnating in the same positions of power. Apart from that we have the non-physical Archons, which have also invaded from other planets and are here like I would say ghosts on the interdimensional planes and maintaining this quarantine. There are no negative ET forces flying around in their mother ships or UFO’s. That is gone.

A: That is great to hear. Now do you also agree with some of the news that is coming out that there are different ET factions per continent on the planet?

C: In the Cabal yes. You have the Rothschilds faction, which is the Orion, I would say the Orion forces. You have the Rockefeller faction, which more the Draconians and you have the Jesuit faction, which is a mixture of Andromedans and Reptilians.

C: And they basically are headquartered in various parts of the world, is what you are saying?

C: Oh yes! The Rothschilds mostly control Europe and you have the Rockefellers, which mostly control the United States, and you have the Jesuits for the rest of the world

http://galacticconnection.com/cobra-interview-transcript-from-july-3-2012

So, this thread should be buzzing with excitement and a huge party taking place, with ALL the bad ET's gone! Where is everybody?

[Christine]

That would be nice, but to become "our own" shaman we'd first need to be 100% sure we were not lying to ourselves and that the person we found to teach us shamanism was not themselves lying in any way either. There is no way to establish trust because there is no definitive starting point where we can be sure we are partaking in an undistorted, correct way of going about it. I mean I can say that certain people (This forum has a few of them) obviously seem very genuine about their practice. However when it comes into the realm of forming definite conclusions my trust is only at best a gamble I'm taking because I'm still making any assessment of anyone based on the idea that:

1: I would know in any way who I could trust.
2: I am able to research correctly into shamanism
3: That I could use item 2 and 1 to determine a good shamanic instructor.

But the problem is the first two, is that it would be trivial for a myriad of circumstances to prevent me from ever being able to figure out individual trust on a personal level let alone be able to even judge the quality of an instructor in a practice I am not even sure I'm correctly acquainted with yet. Similarly I could have my research sabotaged by any number of subjective biases or simply not be competent at academic level research. Now, I'm certain I have some level of competency at those things but I am not certain the level of that competency. And it is because of that issue that I am able to be quite certain in absolute terms of only one thing: I am unable to judge in any way who would be right to learn from or what information regarding shamanism is accurate.

Therefore, my assessments of anyone else's abilities could be hopelessly flawed, and worse yet I might lack the metacognitive ability to realize my own assessment is hopelessly flawed.

Because of that it can be considered that it would be impossible for me to even learn shamanism because I would never be able to be certain of any instruction I had received because there was never any one point I could be certain neither I nor the other person was in any way being deceptive or reiterating information that was based on past deception. (such as distorted teachings that could be passed down for instance.)

I might form ideas and attempt to convince myself of their certainty to establish a faux-trust, but that trust would be based on the illusion that I had in all certainty established and verified the accuracy of all material; as well as that I was fully mentally capable of making that assessment. (Which of course for a start is impossible if you're the newbie learning from someone else.) So really, without figuring out who's lying beforehand there's just no certain way to do it.

I could still take a gamble, like everyone else. But I would rather not gamble on such important matters.

Hi Vast_Mystery,

You analytical style impresses me, it is definitely useful to encompass as many possibilities within the realm of our perception. It is also possible to get so convoluted in the analysis that the reality point is lost.

So much is being written about the ways that manipulators or energy vampires can get at us. And it isn't just the "elite" or the shamans or the whatevers that we look up to for guidance that take energy, this is being played out in almost every human encounter. How about on the forum between members?

The things that make us strong, resilient, perceptive and aware are the result of a combination of experiences, courage, intelligence and importantly our ability to remain in the Observer point of view. The more I am able to "see" what is occurring in my live from that perspective the better I am able to determine what is truly going on and make a determination for myself on how to act or not act, say or not say, etc.

This is the act of living really and we are up against huge odds in these final pages of our current paradigm. I am only able to write these words because, like many others on this forum, I have taken risks, fallen down, been beaten and got up again. Experience and Resiliency.

We gamble no matter which way we choose because we do not know the outcome of our choice. If we knew the outcome we wouldn't be here. Or would we?

La Tigra

¤=[Post Update]=¤

P.S. Funny how this thread doesn't have much to do with Drake anymore...

[Ishtar]

And it isn't just the "elite" or the shamans or the whatevers that we look up to for guidance that take energy, this is being played out in almost every human encounter. How about on the forum between members?

I think there may be a misunderstanding about what a true shaman is and does here.

As a practising shaman, I just give people a key ... and that key gets them their power back. During my training, I spent a lot of time being taught by an excellent teacher about power... about the management of power, about how we all learn from the cradle to steal power from each other, how we learn to do that in the family situation with sibling rivalry and also we see our parents stealing power from each other, and so we just automatically copy that learned behaviour. It is the modus operandi of this planet, the exploitation of each other within a hierarchical food chain.

I was quite shocked during my training to learn how much I had inadvertently stolen power from others, and I journeyed extensively over more than a year to return the power back to those I had stolen it from. I also saw where I had given my power away... even to the most spiritual of gurus, I had sold myself out.. it still wasn't OK to do that. And to be fair to the last one I was with, in India, he would unfailingly give me back my power back every time I tried to give it to him, although I didn't understand at the time what he was doing or why, and sometimes I felt hurt by his behaviour. Only later, it made sense to me.

So I would say probably over a period of years (and I was lucky in who trained me) I learned how to manage my own power, how to not steal it from others and how not to let others steal it from me. When you live your life this way, you are sometimes a bit unpopular with people when the only way they know of being in relationship is the "velcro way" ~ and in standing outside of that stickiness, you can sometimes appear to be slightly inhuman or cold. But it isn't that at all...the Love is much bigger and less conditional than what is being offered or exchanged in a "velcro relationship".

I've been working shamanically with clients now for about six years, and I would say that the conclusion I've come to is that most dis-ease stems from lack of power .. either because the person has had power stolen from them or in many cases, particularly with women, because they had given away their power. I really enjoy being a witness to the transformation that occurs over a very short time~ sometimes just weeks ~ as the client begins to use the key I showed them to unlock the way of retrieving their power.

The change is palpable and very pleasing to me to such an extent that I often say the sign of a good shamanic healer is an empty waiting room. People sort themselves out very quickly once given this key, and then I rarely see them again except they sometimes send me nice emails to say how well they're doing. But this is in contradistinction to many kinds of healers where a dependency forms between the healer and the healee, and the healee has to keep going back for more.

I just wanted to say all this because I noted that La Tigre's post had lumped shamans in with the elite as people that steal power ~ and to say that certainly anyone who's lucky enough to be trained as I was practises the very opposite.

I would also say from 9eagle9's posts, if she doesn't mind me speaking for her, that her stance appears to be very similar. Her's are the least power-grabbing posts on this forum.

[Christine]

And it isn't just the "elite" or the shamans or the whatevers that we look up to for guidance that take energy, this is being played out in almost every human encounter. How about on the forum between members?

I think there may be a misunderstanding about what a true shaman is and does here.

As a practising shaman, I just give people a key ... and that key gets them their power back. During my training, I spent a lot of time being taught by an excellent teacher about power... about the management of power, about how we all learn from the cradle to steal power from each other, how we learn to do that in the family situation with sibling rivalry and also we see our parents stealing power from each other, and so we just automatically copy that learned behaviour. It is the modus operandi of this planet, the exploitation of each other within a hierarchical food chain.

I was quite shocked during my training to learn how much I had inadvertently stolen power from others, and I journeyed extensively over more than a year to return the power back to those I had stolen it from. I also saw where I had given my power away... even to the most spiritual of gurus, I had sold myself out.. it still wasn't OK to do that. And to be fair to the last one I was with, in India, he would unfailingly give me back my power back every time I tried to give it to him, although I didn't understand at the time what he was doing or why, and sometimes I felt hurt by his behaviour. Only later, it made sense to me.

So I would say probably over a period of years (and I was lucky in who trained me) I learned how to manage my own power, how to not steal it from others and how not to let others steal it from me. When you live your life this way, you are sometimes a bit unpopular with people when the only way they know of being in relationship is the "velcro way" ~ and in standing outside of that stickiness, you can sometimes appear to be slightly inhuman or cold. But it isn't that at all...the Love is much bigger and less conditional than what is being offered or exchanged in a "velcro relationship".

I've been working shamanically with clients now for about six years, and I would say that the conclusion I've come to is that most dis-ease stems from lack of power .. either because the person has had power stolen from them or in many cases, particularly with women, because they had given away their power. I really enjoy being a witness to the transformation that occurs over a very short time~ sometimes just weeks ~ as the client begins to use the key I showed them to unlock the way of retrieving their power.

The change is palpable and very pleasing to me to such an extent that I often say the sign of a good shamanic healer is an empty waiting room. People sort themselves out very quickly once given this key, and then I rarely see them again except they sometimes send me nice emails to say how well they're doing. But this is in contradistinction to many kinds of healers where a dependency forms between the healer and the healee, and the healee has to keep going back for more.

I just wanted to say all this because I noted that La Tigre's post had lumped shamans in with the elite as people that steal power ~ and to say that certainly anyone who's lucky enough to be trained as I was practises the very opposite.

I would also say from 9eagle9's posts, if she doesn't mind me speaking for her, that her stance appears to be very similar. Her's are the least power-grabbing posts on this forum.

Ishtar,

I have nothing against shamans, though I have known a few nasty ones, and one in particular that just about killed me, but that is another story.

I have also seen how some healers suck energy out of their clients... I apologize if I was too quick to use the name shaman to get a point across. I actually have a great deal of respect for 9eagle9 and yourself. I find your posts align very closely with what I understand about energy and how to get free from the snare of the energy vampires.

Please accept my humble apology and thank you for your post.

La Tigra

[9eagle9]

Power grabbing isn't a term I've used before but its appropriate. There is a big difference between the shamanic practitioner and the shaman. Shaman is a state of being. Like women have certain state of being, and men have a certain state of being, the shaman is a state of being. Being a shaman whether you are drinking a beer or making a drum.

I could teach anyone shaman practices, shake rattles, spit, beat drums but its learning to manage one' s own energy that creates the state of being to the point you don't need a rattle.

In my area the shamans do nothing but engage in power struggles with each other, their students, even their clients they are all corded in to each other in this great ego battle and its . And I can't help but know this is deliberat and covert form of discrediting someone who has an actual apptitude for showing people how to manage themselves and their energy. It used to be a shaman was a rare thing and the Metro Detroit area is carpeted with them because we have shaman mills here, just churn them out every weekend.

I would absolutely be the first person to be least offended by the observations of energy sucking and shamans. When I used to see clients it got to the point I could tell what shaman they came from due to the nature of their attachments and physical expressions of disease. One man in the area works with his students and clientel and they all are stricken with disease, and no one seems to make the connection that perfectly healthy people are no longer healthy after spending six months with this man who is fearful that I can't imagine him touching anyone .....blah....yurk.

But I see the same thing in those circles I see in this thread. This medicine man sweeps into town and he's the flavor of the month, and the toast of the town, and I'm thinking "He's yurky, he's dense, he's fearful" and everyone rolling their eyes and killing the fatted calf and telling me I'm negative. And then two months later the man is found out to be feeling people up during healings and breaking up marriages and then....NOT A WORD. While one is shrugging, "sorry to say told you so but...told you so" NO ONE Is saying "Oh gee, I guess he wasn't everything he was cracked up to be."

Just avoidance and then a month later it happens again. Another flamboyant flim flammer sweeps and out comes the fatted calf, ...it just amazes me.

[Unified Serenity]

I have taught energetics for nearly 2 decades. I don't go out advertising, though I did offer services in my spa some years ago. Dis-ease is exactly what it says. We get out of balance and do not realize the core cause of the imbalance and sadly most people treat the symptoms either energetically or medicinally or both. Clearing one's energy, realizing the cords of attachment, barbs of injury wounding our spirit is key to healing in my opinion. So many people ignore the "wounded spirit" aspect to their detriment. One must take a true self inventory. It does not have to be revealed to anyone, but it's a key step in true healing. In that life inventory you will discover areas that you harmed another through an intentional or unintentional thought word or deed and others doing it to you.

Once the inventory is done, you simply admit your wrongdoing and ask for forgiveness. This is where discernment must play a role. Sometimes you do need to go to someone and tell them they hurt you and other times, doing so will cause more harm, and you don't want that. It is a situation by situation thing, and should be done prayerfully. Likewise, you have to admit your pain caused by others, and sometimes you need to go to that person and tell them what they did to you, and if they ask forgiveness that is fine, but sometimes they won't and that is fine too. You have taken the step to clear the energy. Again, use discernment and case by case make your decision to reach out to that person. I have seen families healed by this because the other party had no idea they hurt you. They will realize it, apologize and the healing begins from there and that energetic blockage you felt with them that manifested somehow in your body will disappear. If it's not appropriate to go to them or say they are no longer alive, you can still speak to the event, take away it's power, forgive them and let it go. Picture the cord or wound now cleansed, but know it's a bit raw. Fill it with Divine light and love.

This process takes a lot of effort and most importantly self honesty. Sometimes there needs to be some paying off of debts. Sometimes, it's returning something you kept and shouldn't have kept. Sometimes it's burning old photos or letters you hung onto that are like an albatross around your neck...... are you suffering from a pain in the neck? This may be a clue. Do you feel a stab in the back? Again, might be a clue. Do you feel anxiety? It might be a clue / symptom of feeling someone has something against you ... do they have a reason to feel that way? Ignoring these things does not make them go away. What we stuff down emotionally will express itself physically and spiritually. Are you depressed, anxious, sad, fearful? Do a spiritual inventory and see what you find. I do them occasionally, and always find somethings I need to deal with. As a rule for me though, I try to correct things as I go. I find it's much easier that way, and I sleep very well at night.

[SilentFeathers]

I just wanted to say all this because I noted that La Tigre's post had lumped shamans in with the elite as people that steal power ~ and to say that certainly anyone who's lucky enough to be trained as I was practises the very opposite.



Ya might not believe me but I have a little bit of knowledge about "shamans".....a sorcerer steals power, a shaman never would do such a thing, a shaman would never even consider doing such a thing, a shaman has no need to do such a thing.

A sorcerer's main goal is to steal power to feed the ego and mind, to harm others and to fill a need or get a fix like a heroin addict seeks so to speak.

The shaman should never even be compared to the elite sicko's, they have nothing in common....one heals and helps, the other harms and destroys....

[Unified Serenity]

I just wanted to say all this because I noted that La Tigre's post had lumped shamans in with the elite as people that steal power ~ and to say that certainly anyone who's lucky enough to be trained as I was practises the very opposite.



Ya might not believe me but I have a little bit of knowledge about "shamans".....a sorcerer steals power, a shaman never would do such a thing, a shaman would never even consider doing such a thing, a shaman has no need to do such a thing.

A sorcerer's main goal is to steal power to feed the ego and mind, to harm others and to fill a need or get a fix like a heroin addict seeks so to speak.

The shaman should never even be compared to the elite sicko's, they have nothing in common....one heals and helps, the other harms and destroys....

Shamans are people too. They can abuse their skills like anyone else.

[Ishtar]

I can only talk from my own experience, and I've found that any kind of spiritual healing practitioner only steals power according to their own abilities (or lack of, I should say) to get beyond the astral planes into the deeper dimensions which are created by the all-knowing, benevolent Spirit entities.

My experience of being in these deeper (let's call them shamanic) dimensions is that a transfer of information takes place ~ and I mean 'information' in the true sense of the word, which is more like a download of energy than an exchange of words ~ and then it becomes impossible in that environment to have any selfish desires, because one is in the planes of the selfless spirits and one becomes like them. I've found that it has changed me radically to be in such company to the extent that, at the very least, I have no desire or need to steal anything from anyone. But those who can't get into those deeper dimension don't have that experience, and I wouldn't call these people shamans although they often call themselves such. Like Silent Feathers said, I would call these people sorcerors.

I live in a town of sorcerors, with only a couple of shamans. When I first came here, several of the sorcerors tried to vamp on my energies, and it took me a while to realise and sort it out. I can allow people to vamp on my energies, on my power, because I am always or often in touch with an infinite power source, so it doesn't matter to me if people want some of mine... except, I have to stop it, because it's bad for them, which makes it bad juju all round for everyone.

I refer to those sorceror energy-stealing types as 'psychic vampires' and I've written an article about how to protect ourselves from psychic vampires called Eating People Is Wrong (http://ishtarsgate.wordpress.com/2011/06/02/eating-people-is-wrong/).

La Tigra, it was very sweet of you to apologise, but not needed from my point of view. I saw that you were trying to convey a lot of dense information very quickly and had inadvertently conflated two different types. I've done the same myself in the past, for the same reason. I really enjoy your posts too! ;)

[gripreaper]

But what about Drake and Cobra and Lady Dragon? Don't you know there is another deadline coming up on the 27th?

[StarDust]

But what about Drake and Cobra and Lady Dragon? Don't you know there is another deadline coming up on the 27th?

Seriously, the shamanic intent discussion should be spawned into its own thread. Just a thought.

[Ishtar]

But what about Drake and Cobra and Lady Dragon? Don't you know there is another deadline coming up on the 27th?

Seriously, the shamanic intent discussion should be spawned into its own thread. Just a thought.

You're probably right, Stardust, but before we do that... I'd like to say that this discussion has been relevant here, because the whole Drake/Cobra/Lady Dragon thing is based on fooling those who don't stand in their own power, and they are using that energy of those followers to fuel an uprising into the streets (which Drake is being more honest about now) and which would be disastrous.

Simply, there is nowhere near enough people to overturn any government or entrenched power elite. Most people are oblivious to what's going on and so would be easily convinced, if the Drake followers do take to the streets, that they are home-grown terrorists and would back martial law being imposed.

This modus operandi, of leading 'revolutions' from behind, mirrors American foreign policy in the Middle East and Africa and has been responsible for revolutions in Morocco, Egypt, Libya and Syria (at least and probably other so-called 'revolutions' that we don't yet know about). So if Drake really does have a contact at the Pentagon, then I'd say that the MO is running true to form.

You could also say that, in siphoning off all this power from their followers for their own ends, Drake and Co are behaving like sorcerors.

PS Gripreaper... I'm loving your updates... I don't know why, because you deliver them absolutely straight, but they make me laugh uproariously!:pound:

[9eagle9]

You know...I compare shamans to the elite sickos..because the greater proportion of shamans aren't who they claim to be or think they are. ....but I compare a lot of the ordinary everyday alternative media citizen to the elite sickos as well. There are a lot of allegedly mystical and non mystical people who don't know what they are serving and investing their energy towards is not only lacking integration, its locking the door on their jail cell--by their own choice. They don't even know what they are thinking.

They are driven by their emotions, whatever is lacking in them, whatever un-realized wounds they have .

Occasionally someone asks me why the powers that be do not suffer karmically for their dastardly deeds. I am not a believer in Karma as the way most people understand it, I see it as more of cause and effect sort of scenario based on the baggage people drag around through lifetimes.

But I can see why someone would ask that, you'd think after what we percieve the ptb is doing, they'd have ocean liners full of rebounding karma but they seem to be able to skid through AGES and eons of time without having their control panels karmically implode.

The ptb in spite of all their assholery knows how to keep their hands clean karmically. They are much better at it than those who unwittingly serve them for sure. We get to carry their karma for them which is why there are there and we are here. They know that getting people to agree and particpate with their programs means less karmic rebound, people even agree to carry their karma because that is what we intended for---to be their slaves and carry their suitcases.

And by using the Drakes in the world, and getting people to agree to a ptb orginated program under their volition the ptb do not have the sort of rebound effect that one would expect. The sort that you and I would experience for much less.

They are masters of pyschology and they are master's of occult. In order to not trippety-trap into their covert mind control and occult traps one basically has to be a master of psychology and the occult as well. If only for observational reasons.

Or rather knowing one's enemy and when you know your enemy you also know how you can give them power over you by your own agreement...you are then your own worst enemy. The Drake adherents do not know this. Drake the self proclaimed Magickal Occultist is not expressing this to them. He is clearly expressing it to the shamanic community though.

One has to be to authentically examine and not flinch from what they are seeing.

You look honestly at what you are doing and participating in and you can find power over those circumstances.

You don't look at it honestly, you will just continue to agree to lose power and authority over yourself.

Drake is not an empowered person and his fans are not either. Basic energy attraction, that a novice healer would notice.

They may think they are but they aren't because they don't even know what they are involved in. And they don't have the ability to authentically examine and you don't need to be a shaman to look at something honestly.

This emphasizes how people are the hapless and unwitting agents of the powers that be by involving themselves in this sort of thing ....If they are ignorant enough to involve themselves in these loss of self endeavors certainly they are going to be ignorant enough to wonder why I am not on my knees singing Aria's of Respect to them.

It would be very nice if everyone got back into their shamanic side but unless everyone does the 'shaman solution' that is no solution at all.

And having a bunch of shamans running around is not going to help.

The presence of a shaman doesn't matter to this scenario whatsoever.

Basically people have made their choice long before Drake was known to them. You see that reflected in the way the same people hop on board everytime a new flash in the pan guru comes along. Last winter all those people milling around David Wilcocks are now milling around Drake. That is because they have made a choice so they can't do anything differently.

There's a number of people i know in this thread who are very tuned in and shamanic and they are calling this crap out , and not only making prediction about it that have come to pass in far greater numbers than Drakes predictions, BECAUSE they can see what is occurring here but who is listening to them....just the other very tuned in people, not the people who are actually involving themselves in the loss of self.

If a celebrity shaman comes along , which is what Drake is attempting to express, then it may be a little different but only because people have their Celebrity's Have Authority ' programming.

People want to commit suicide in public....but they also want to cry when their audience doesn't applaud and support them for it.






I just wanted to say all this because I noted that La Tigre's post had lumped shamans in with the elite as people that steal power ~ and to say that certainly anyone who's lucky enough to be trained as I was practises the very opposite.



Ya might not believe me but I have a little bit of knowledge about "shamans".....a sorcerer steals power, a shaman never would do such a thing, a shaman would never even consider doing such a thing, a shaman has no need to do such a thing.

A sorcerer's main goal is to steal power to feed the ego and mind, to harm others and to fill a need or get a fix like a heroin addict seeks so to speak.

The shaman should never even be compared to the elite sicko's, they have nothing in common....one heals and helps, the other harms and destroys....

[9eagle9]

There is a reason they are called 'dead' lines. :p

They never seem to come to life..

Maybe we should call them zombie lines.


But what about Drake and Cobra and Lady Dragon? Don't you know there is another deadline coming up on the 27th?

[SilentFeathers]

Shamans are people too. They can abuse their skills like anyone else.

The instant they begin to abuse their skills they are no longer a shaman, but become a sorcerer.....Like 9Eagle9 says, most shamans today don't know the meaning of what a shaman truly is (paraphrasing).

[Fred Steeves]

I'm curious abourt the way "sorcerer" is being described here. Don Juan Matus in Carlos Casatneda's series refers to himself and his lineage as sorcerers. Surely the "sorcerers of old" he talks of are like this, but not the modern ones, like himself. Maybe one of the shamans, or sorcerers here can clear this up for me?

Thanks,
Fred

[Christine]

I just wanted to say all this because I noted that La Tigre's post had lumped shamans in with the elite as people that steal power ~ and to say that certainly anyone who's lucky enough to be trained as I was practises the very opposite.




Ya might not believe me but I have a little bit of knowledge about "shamans".....a sorcerer steals power, a shaman never would do such a thing, a shaman would never even consider doing such a thing, a shaman has no need to do such a thing.

A sorcerer's main goal is to steal power to feed the ego and mind, to harm others and to fill a need or get a fix like a heroin addict seeks so to speak.

The shaman should never even be compared to the elite sicko's, they have nothing in common....one heals and helps, the other harms and destroys....

Hello Silent Feathers,

Yes, well said and spot on in describing the difference between two schools of practice. I could have said sorcerer for indeed it was sorcery that I got caught up in though the person used the title shaman and healer. When I think of Sorcerer I think of Don Juan from Carlos Castaneda's work, who I have respect for.

It is a matter of semantics and our own identification with tags that quite often trips us up. We all need to hone our ability to read energy and quit fooling ourselves. Of course this means we need integrity within ourselves first.

Whether we heal or harm and destroy actually have very little to do with the title we go by.

Thanks,

La Tigra

[Ishtar]

I'm curious abourt the way "sorcerer" is being described here. Don Juan Matus in Carlos Casatneda's series refers to himself and his lineage as sorcerers. Surely the "sorcerers of old" he talks of are like this, but not the modern ones, like himself. Maybe one of the shamans, or sorcerers here can clear this up for me?

Thanks,
Fred

I think Castenada may have just used that term because at the time he was writing, as an anthropologist to an unenlightened audience, the word 'shaman' had not really entered the mainstream. This is complicated by the fact that 'shaman' is a Siberian word for a Siberian shaman, but this type of practitioner was known differently according to where they lived.

Don Juan was known not as a shaman but a 'nagual', which is the Meso-American word for what we call a 'shaman'. Here are some others I've collated over the years... just to show that in the end, really, we cannot go by titles alone. These are all different people that work with the spirits within the trance state, and known by different names all over the world.

Andean (Quecha) shaman — P’ago
Arab (pre Moslem) — Baksylvk
Australian shamanism — Wulla-mullung
Australian spirit — Budian
Bedouin form of shamanism — Fugara
Celtic shaman – Druid
Chinese shaman —Tang-ki
Hawaiian form of shamanism — Huna Kane
Indian Vedic shaman — Rishi
Indonesian shaman — Dukun
Inuit shaman — Angakok
Jewish shaman — Baal Shem (in Hebrew, it means “Master of the Name”)
Korean female shaman — Mondang
Korean shamanic initiation — Nae-Rim-Kut
Lakota spirits — Wakan Tanka
Meso American shaman — Nagual
Mongolian shaman – Boo
Nigerian shaman — Babalawo
Norse female shaman —Voelva/Volva/Vala/Seidhkona
Peruvian shaman —Sheripiari
Siberian shaman – Shaman
Tibetan shaman — Pa’wo
Tibetan shamanism — Bonpo
Turkish shaman — Sahir-þairl
Ukrainian female shaman — Znakharka
Voodoo female shaman — Mambo
West African spirits — Kontomblé

So for the purposes of this discussion, I agree with SilentFeathers, that we should call a spirit worker who works selfishly a sorceror, and one who works for the good of all, we should call a shaman. That will save a lot of confusion.

(Sorry, La Tigra, I think our posts crossed.)

[Christine]

Yes they did... it is hard to define the work so many do in one name.

[Ishtar]

Yes, I agree La Tigra, but you were bang on the button with:



We all need to hone our ability to read energy and quit fooling ourselves. Of course this means we need integrity within ourselves first. ...

which is also bound up with trusting your own intuition. But a further thought occurs to me and that is if you have given your power away, you are very often completely divorced from your intuition and cannot hear even hear the loud clanging alarm bells going off.

[Oouthere]

I just wanted to say all this because I noted that La Tigre's post had lumped shamans in with the elite as people that steal power ~ and to say that certainly anyone who's lucky enough to be trained as I was practises the very opposite.



Ya might not believe me but I have a little bit of knowledge about "shamans".....a sorcerer steals power, a shaman never would do such a thing, a shaman would never even consider doing such a thing, a shaman has no need to do such a thing.

A sorcerer's main goal is to steal power to feed the ego and mind, to harm others and to fill a need or get a fix like a heroin addict seeks so to speak.

The shaman should never even be compared to the elite sicko's, they have nothing in common....one heals and helps, the other harms and destroys....

Hello Silent Feathers,

Yes, well said and spot on in describing the difference between two schools of practice. I could have said sorcerer for indeed it was sorcery that I got caught up in though the person used the title shaman and healer. When I think of Sorcerer I think of Don Juan from Carlos Castaneda's work, who I have respect for.

It is a matter of semantics and our own identification with tags that quite often trips us up. We all need to hone our ability to read energy and quit fooling ourselves. Of course this means we need integrity within ourselves first.

Whether we heal or harm and destroy actually have very little to do with the title we go by.

Thanks,

La Tigra

I don't think I've ever disagreed with Silentfeathers, but this one point I will.

The one Shaman that I was very close with told me about the darker side of their job and abilities. I will not go into details but know they have rituals to do this and it is in no way something to be played with..... They will and do take energy from people and give it to their leaders.

Rich

[Ishtar]

I just wanted to say all this because I noted that La Tigre's post had lumped shamans in with the elite as people that steal power ~ and to say that certainly anyone who's lucky enough to be trained as I was practises the very opposite.





Ya might not believe me but I have a little bit of knowledge about "shamans".....a sorcerer steals power, a shaman never would do such a thing, a shaman would never even consider doing such a thing, a shaman has no need to do such a thing.

A sorcerer's main goal is to steal power to feed the ego and mind, to harm others and to fill a need or get a fix like a heroin addict seeks so to speak.

The shaman should never even be compared to the elite sicko's, they have nothing in common....one heals and helps, the other harms and destroys....

Hello Silent Feathers,

Yes, well said and spot on in describing the difference between two schools of practice. I could have said sorcerer for indeed it was sorcery that I got caught up in though the person used the title shaman and healer. When I think of Sorcerer I think of Don Juan from Carlos Castaneda's work, who I have respect for.

It is a matter of semantics and our own identification with tags that quite often trips us up. We all need to hone our ability to read energy and quit fooling ourselves. Of course this means we need integrity within ourselves first.

Whether we heal or harm and destroy actually have very little to do with the title we go by.

Thanks,

La Tigra

I don't think I've ever disagreed with Silentfeathers, but this one point I will.

The one Shaman that I was very close with told me about the darker side of their job and abilities. I will not go into details but know they have rituals to do this and it is in no way something to be played with..... They will and do take energy from people and give it to their leaders.

Rich


He sounds to me more like some magicians and wizards that I know.

A lot of people call themselves shamans, when they are in fact magicians or wizards.

For one thing, a true shaman has no leaders to feed anything back to.....

[9eagle9]

It's not a rule in the Shamanic handbook to do take energy and give to it to someone else. The shaman's instructor has taught them to do that because they cord in to their students, and they are in turn, corded in to whomever taught them--battery connection. Or they've done it by choice. It's not an obligation. Nor does it have anything to do with spirituality. An authentic shaman has their own self authority so there's no one to give that power to , there's no authority over them. And because they keep their own power and authority they don't need it from other people. They KNOW that they do. Those who are not certain of their authority must do that.

Someone who is an integrated shaman does not do that; that is reserved for the sort of play-in-their-own **** Shaman that you've described.

There has been a number instances in this thread where someone(s) and they weren't shamans were playing the energy game, the power struggle because the making Drake their authority.

The sucking sound some of us hear when a member gasps Much Love to Us All with monotonous regularity is a symptom of the energetic control drama going on here.

Attempted Power theft is not limited to shamans.

And they aren't very good at social programming either that hides the varied energy sucks that people engage in. Mostly because they've lost their programming that took their self authority so that real self direction could be had.

Speaking for myself I don't want other peoples energy...its gross, and dense, and I'd much rather go bath in a sewer. All these people caroming about with their dense gross fixed energy think someone is constantly attempting to feed off of them (because they have no self authority) when in fact the thought of taking someone's gross energy is like wanting eat a bile and tripe sandwich...its just gross.

Only vampires who are not particularly picky do that.







I just wanted to say all this because I noted that La Tigre's post had lumped shamans in with the elite as people that steal power ~ and to say that certainly anyone who's lucky enough to be trained as I was practises the very opposite.



Ya might not believe me but I have a little bit of knowledge about "shamans".....a sorcerer steals power, a shaman never would do such a thing, a shaman would never even consider doing such a thing, a shaman has no need to do such a thing.

A sorcerer's main goal is to steal power to feed the ego and mind, to harm others and to fill a need or get a fix like a heroin addict seeks so to speak.

The shaman should never even be compared to the elite sicko's, they have nothing in common....one heals and helps, the other harms and destroys....

Hello Silent Feathers,

Yes, well said and spot on in describing the difference between two schools of practice. I could have said sorcerer for indeed it was sorcery that I got caught up in though the person used the title shaman and healer. When I think of Sorcerer I think of Don Juan from Carlos Castaneda's work, who I have respect for.

It is a matter of semantics and our own identification with tags that quite often trips us up. We all need to hone our ability to read energy and quit fooling ourselves. Of course this means we need integrity within ourselves first.

Whether we heal or harm and destroy actually have very little to do with the title we go by.

Thanks,

La Tigra

I don't think I've ever disagreed with Silentfeathers, but this one point I will.

The one Shaman that I was very close with told me about the darker side of their job and abilities. I will not go into details but know they have rituals to do this and it is in no way something to be played with..... They will and do take energy from people and give it to their leaders.

Rich

[gripreaper]

PS Gripreaper... I'm loving your updates... I don't know why, because you deliver them absolutely straight, but they make me laugh uproariously!:pound:

I try and deliver them without bias and just point my camera on the emperor without clothes, for all to see, and hopefully the absurdity will dawn.

Drake's last radio show was quite disturbing. Although it is true that our freedoms are being usurped and ultimate power given to the elite, that is not new news to most of us. Remember, the NDAA back on Christmas Eve was supposed to be the line in the sand that the government better not cross, and it was advocated back then for the people to take to the streets like they were doing in Egypt.

It's a very dangerous precedent for Drake to advocate taking to the streets with our guns, while ignoring a Constitutional Convention,the only provision placed into the Constitution by our forefathers to deal with such an event.

Yet, most of the electorate is totally unaware that there is even anything to worry about, or that they are being boiled like the frog in the pot. In order to have a representative government by the people, the PEOPLE need to be involved and actually get off their dead asses and go out into their communities and actually say hello to their next door neighbor they've lived next to for ten years and STILL don't know, and turn the friggin TV off and put down the kool aid.

The whole scenario is playing right into the elites hands.

[9eagle9]

Sorcerers use will to word. You say it or think it, it happens. Imposing will to programming which is typically words. A spell is either a recipe or words that prompt a script in the program.

It's also manifestation that is the better part of sorcery. We call this by a pretty word that Abraham and Hickes made popular: "manifestation." The Secret tries to encourage people to get into sorcery side. Both philosophies leave out one crucial element . Without that element both just turn everything into another program.

All these ways of attempting to bend one's will to positive thoughts, words, affirmations is in part ..sorcery.

Who is not guilty of that?

These sorcerers that we have to look out for have been the playing the game on the physical and non physical for thousands of years. Tens of thousands of years.

They don't care about sheep, sheep are self policing. They are hunting Shamans. Or people of similar expression or beings. If one is safely tucked away in their program they are safe from the overt intervention of sorcery--they are already under the spell.

Yes Sorcery has been very corrupted and perverted the same way shamanism as a state of being has been corrupted in the 20th and 21st and no one is doing anything in particular about it. It just happened earlier in our history. It's a just a word for a facet of expression.

Abe-hicks, The Secret is a covert way to get people on the corrupted sorcery train. All that stuff teaches people to be sorcerers,is everyone who has attempted this evil? . Make the damn five minute long red light change! Everybody not just shamanic people practice manifestation of this sort, will to word. If one has free will it works much better than those are programmed. Part of our existence is lived in a programmable illusionary holographic world, it is relatively easy to change it.

Essentially the un-integrated sorcerer is just a programmer manipulating someone elses program.


It's no better or worse than someone holding a gun in their hand. The ability is the gun. The hand that decides to pull the trigger is the important factor here. Choices.

People have their abilities made known to them long before they know how to manage themselves which means you can manage the ability.

Shamans got corrupted, sorcerers got corrupted, healers get corrupted, so did astrology so did everything. No one or no thing is immune to corruption; there are people who less susceptible to it but a topic for a different discussion.





I'm curious abourt the way "sorcerer" is being described here. Don Juan Matus in Carlos Casatneda's series refers to himself and his lineage as sorcerers. Surely the "sorcerers of old" he talks of are like this, but not the modern ones, like himself. Maybe one of the shamans, or sorcerers here can clear this up for me?

Thanks,
Fred

[Fred Steeves]

These sorcerers that we have to look out for have been the playing the game on the physical and non physical for thousands of years. Tens of thousands of years.

They don't care about sheep, sheep are self policing. They are hunting Shamans. Or people of similar expression or beings. If one is safely tucked away in their program they are safe from the overt intervention of sorcery--they are already under the spell.


Now I find that quite interesting eagle. Hunting Shamans, or those similar. I would imagine that this would seldom be a straight head to head match up, as we are dealing with cowardess on a monumental scale. Are you talking about the sneak attack, where the person of focus starts getting destructive ideas, and acts on them, thinking those ideas are their own?

[Unified Serenity]

So much for MF Global.... do you really think there will be mass arrests?

This guy is so on the ball:

01emV_368yg

[9eagle9]

There are five at least ongoing threads describing how people are infiltrated and how they can preserve themselves from infiltration.

Cowardice is neither here nor there if you a person's agreement. A person can be a victim once, after its made known to them what is occurring its no longer sneaky and the person is choosing to be a victim.

But yes what you described is apt enough. I have a friend who is pretty shamanically expressed and she called me recently and told me she was driving down the road and she got this notion to turn her car into oncoming traffic. She of course didn't, so then she felt her hand being moved. So she had to pull over and banish what ever was attempting to infiltrate her. This is clear headed, emotionally balanced person and the attempt is still being made. It was only an attempt though she has the wherewithall to understand what is occuring. Most people don't. They think those thoughts are their own and may act on them.

So its a stalemate , a head to head match up with her is stalemated, this only reason a modicum of balance is still remaining in the world people like her are holding a space.

We have episodes through time where the powers that be have hunted people who had the ability to thwart their assholery, Inquistion, the Burning Times, the Destruction of the Druids, the Assimilation of Ireland and the Elven Holocaust . Things of that nature though would not be possible without the sheep so again I have to reemphasize that people tend to kill whatever is attempting to show them to safety and wonder why they are not respected.







These sorcerers that we have to look out for have been the playing the game on the physical and non physical for thousands of years. Tens of thousands of years.

They don't care about sheep, sheep are self policing. They are hunting Shamans. Or people of similar expression or beings. If one is safely tucked away in their program they are safe from the overt intervention of sorcery--they are already under the spell.


Now I find that quite interesting eagle. Hunting Shamans, or those similar. I would imagine that this would seldom be a straight head to head match up, as we are dealing with cowardess on a monumental scale. Are you talking about the sneak attack, where the person of focus starts getting destructive ideas, and acts on them, thinking those ideas are their own?

[gripreaper]

So much for MF Global.... do you really think there will be mass arrests?

This guy is so on the ball:

01emV_368yg

When the fiat debt system ran out of suckers to sign up for additional slavery because they were all "tapped out", what else could we expect from the casino boys on Wall Street? They had to create a virtual casino, and the only place they could get capital to cover their losing bets was from customer accounts! They were going to put that back though once they recovered their bad bets, don't ya know?

Only problem is, when the overnight derivatives bet pool got up to 800 trillion, a 2% move (like MF Global) wiped them out! Oh well, bound to have a few casualties when playing with all of the retirement funds of all of the world in the virtual casino. No big deal, right?

Trouble is, all of those bet payouts went to the big 5 on top, and it takes about 2 trillion to kick the can down the road for a couple months and prevent a 2% move in the wrong direction. Have to get that money from somewhere, so let's tap the taxpayers. Boy, when the music stops and there are not enough chairs to go around, you can bet there will be at least five chairs left for Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Citigroup, Wells Fargo and B of A. Too bad for the rest of the players in the casino.

And all of us who lost our pensions.

[gripreaper]

JUST RELEASED!!!!! THE PLAN EXPLAINED BY COBRA!!!!!!!!!!

The Plan Expanded

The original plan for the liberation of this planet has been expanded. There will be less talk and more action:

1. Less intel will be declassified and given to the general population. The reason for this is that the awakened part of the general population has underperformed regarding what it did with the intel received. It is not strategically wise to release intel that even the awakened population laughs at and at the same time the Cabal uses it to the disadvantage of the Light.

You will still receive intel and updates, but certain things will be withheld until the appropriate time.

2. The Matrix is beginning to crack in the mass media. The cracks will expand and widen.

The mass arrests scenario is beginning to leak into the mainstream. This article tends to be a little bit too violent for my taste, but it manages to get across the message that certain people need to be stopped in their actions:

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/07/mainstream-economist-we-might-need-to-hang-some-bankers-to-stop-illegal-behavior.html

And you might want to sign this petition:

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/bankers_behind_bars_f/?fpla

Almost half a million people signed it in three days. It has a potential to reach the critical mass and trigger some real changes. Make it viral! I have received reports that the petition page is blocked by Internet Explorer. If you can not reach it, try with Firefox or some other browser instead.

Mainstream media are starting to report about disclosure also. You can read this:

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/07/ex-cia-agent-roswell-nm-incident-really-happened/1#.UAB7JJHB29v

And this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2171872/Tony-Blair-received-MOD-briefing-UFOs-prime-minister-concerns-disclosure-classified-information-alien-life-forms.html#ixzz20QIJvemrReply

3. At a specific point before the Event, certain actions will be taken that will bring undeniable proof to the awakened population that the Plan is real and that there are indeed Light forces working towards the planetary liberation.

4. Greed and lust for power inside the Light forces on the surface of this planet (Positive Military, White Dragon Society…) is understandable and tolerable as an intrinsic part of the human nature, to a certain point. But when it begins to hinder operations, create delays, or when certain suffering could be prevented inside the general population and it is not, people responsible for this will be held accountable. The Resistance Movement is monitoring all operations of the surface positive groups and knows exactly what everybody is doing.


5. The Resistance Movement will give positive groups on the surface of the planet a certain limited period of time to carry out the actual liberation themselves. If they fail to do so, direct action will be taken by the Resistance independently from any positive groups or the general population. This is the second part of Operation Omega Phoenix. Very few details will be given out before the actual operation itself. If Operation Omega Phoenix 2 will be needed, it will be less user-friendly to the general population because a little more severe disruptions in the distribution chain are possible. The Green Light (advance notice to the general population) for Operation Omega Phoenix 2 may or may not be issued.

6. The “containment”, as many channels describe it, is not possible. There will be actual physical arrests of the Cabal taking place. The positive ET forces will only assist from the distance with their light healing and balancing technologies to ensure they will happen with as little violence as possible.

http://2012portal.blogspot.ca/

LOL

[gripreaper]

LADY DRAGON FLYERS TO PRINT AND DISTRIBUTE!!!!

Printing Instructions

Below is the text that is in this RTF (Rich Text File)

- Download this file

- Open it in Word Pad

- Then you can print it from there

Free Canada Movement 2012

Educate yourself in order to create a better tomorrow

http://www.fcm2012.com


- Do you know about THE EVENT ?

- Are you prepared for THE EVENT ?

- Do you know that when THE EVENT happens, the banks will be closed; ATM and Credit Cards will NOT work.

Plus do you know anything about the following ?;

- BANKS are all owned by a criminal cartel

- BANKS are involved in drug trafficking

- INCOME TAX is ILLEGAL

- FLUORIDE is toxic waste in your water and toothpaste in order to kill you slowly

- CHEMTRAILS are sprayed to make the population very sick

- INOCULATION means any vaccines that you take are full of viruses in order to kill you slowly

If you want to learn more please go to Free Canada Movement site

http://www.fcm2012.com

Free Canada Movement 2012

Educate yourself in order to create a better tomorrow

http://www.fcm2012.com/print.html

I'm going to go down to my supermarket parking lot and hand these out. Should be very well received don't ya think?

[SilentFeathers]

JUST RELEASED!!!!! THE PLAN EXPLAINED BY COBRA!!!!!!!!!!

The Plan Expanded

The original plan for the liberation of this planet has been expanded. There will be less talk and more action:

1. Less intel will be declassified and given to the general population. The reason for this is that the awakened part of the general population has underperformed regarding what it did with the intel received. It is not strategically wise to release intel that even the awakened population laughs at and at the same time the Cabal uses it to the disadvantage of the Light.

You will still receive intel and updates, but certain things will be withheld until the appropriate time.

2. The Matrix is beginning to crack in the mass media. The cracks will expand and widen.

The mass arrests scenario is beginning to leak into the mainstream. This article tends to be a little bit too violent for my taste, but it manages to get across the message that certain people need to be stopped in their actions:

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/07/mainstream-economist-we-might-need-to-hang-some-bankers-to-stop-illegal-behavior.html

And you might want to sign this petition:

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/bankers_behind_bars_f/?fpla

Almost half a million people signed it in three days. It has a potential to reach the critical mass and trigger some real changes. Make it viral! I have received reports that the petition page is blocked by Internet Explorer. If you can not reach it, try with Firefox or some other browser instead.

Mainstream media are starting to report about disclosure also. You can read this:

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/07/ex-cia-agent-roswell-nm-incident-really-happened/1#.UAB7JJHB29v

And this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2171872/Tony-Blair-received-MOD-briefing-UFOs-prime-minister-concerns-disclosure-classified-information-alien-life-forms.html#ixzz20QIJvemrReply

3. At a specific point before the Event, certain actions will be taken that will bring undeniable proof to the awakened population that the Plan is real and that there are indeed Light forces working towards the planetary liberation.

4. Greed and lust for power inside the Light forces on the surface of this planet (Positive Military, White Dragon Society…) is understandable and tolerable as an intrinsic part of the human nature, to a certain point. But when it begins to hinder operations, create delays, or when certain suffering could be prevented inside the general population and it is not, people responsible for this will be held accountable. The Resistance Movement is monitoring all operations of the surface positive groups and knows exactly what everybody is doing.


5. The Resistance Movement will give positive groups on the surface of the planet a certain limited period of time to carry out the actual liberation themselves. If they fail to do so, direct action will be taken by the Resistance independently from any positive groups or the general population. This is the second part of Operation Omega Phoenix. Very few details will be given out before the actual operation itself. If Operation Omega Phoenix 2 will be needed, it will be less user-friendly to the general population because a little more severe disruptions in the distribution chain are possible. The Green Light (advance notice to the general population) for Operation Omega Phoenix 2 may or may not be issued.

6. The “containment”, as many channels describe it, is not possible. There will be actual physical arrests of the Cabal taking place. The positive ET forces will only assist from the distance with their light healing and balancing technologies to ensure they will happen with as little violence as possible.

http://2012portal.blogspot.ca/

LOL

Thanks for the update.....I was wondering why I don't know any thing more today than I knew 4 months ago.....

[SilentFeathers]

I'm going to go down to my supermarket parking lot and hand these out. Should be very well received don't ya think?

Make sure you lay a straight jacket down on the ground near you so people better understand why you're passing out such a flyer :)

[StarDust]

....the awakened part of the general population has underperformed regarding what it did with the intel received.

Thanks for the update.....I was wondering why I don't know any thing more today than I knew 4 months ago.....

I think COBRA's point says it all.

[SilentFeathers]

....the awakened part of the general population has underperformed regarding what it did with the intel received.

Thanks for the update.....I was wondering why I don't know any thing more today than I knew 4 months ago.....

I think COBRA's point says it all.

I need to go see a psychiatrist to find out why I am so intellectually limited and not able to be awake....and what causes me not to believe in fairy tales.....

[9eagle9]

If you read the French translation it makes more sense.....especially if you don't know French.

[gripreaper]

....the awakened part of the general population has underperformed regarding what it did with the intel received.

Thanks for the update.....I was wondering why I don't know any thing more today than I knew 4 months ago.....

I think COBRA's point says it all.

Probably because you are not up to speed on Operation Omega Phoenix. Let me help you with that:

Operation Omega Phoenix

I have contacted my sources and this is what they said:

The infiltration of the Positive Military group has been completely removed. The Positive Military is now ready for action. Also, the Resistance Movement and the Pleiadians are ready to back them up with their support.

However, I did not receive direct confirmation for the Green Light or that the sweep period has already started. If the Positive Military wants to confirm the Green Light or if they want me to distribute any message to the public, they can contact me at cobraresistance@gmail.com .


The Resistance Movement will have its own role in the Event and this is known under the codename Operation Omega Phoenix. This operation has two parts.

The First part of Operation Omega Phoenix has just been declassified and I can speak a little bit about it. At the time of the Event, a certain number of Resistance operatives will emerge from their subterranean bases to the surface. They will be wearing plain civilian clothes and not military uniforms. They will closely monitor the mass arrest process and will help the Positive Military and civil authority in the arrests themselves when necessary. Members of the Cabal that will be arrested by the Resistance operatives will be taken to undisclosed locations and later released into the hands of Positive Military / civil authority. The only exception for this are a few members of the Cabal that have committed crimes beyond this planet in their past and must appear before the Galactic Court. Most of those will be later returned to Earth for humanity to determine their destiny, but a fraction of them will be taken to Galactic Central Sun immediately.

Top people inside the Positive Military have been notified about Operation Omega Phoenix and they fully agree with it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SNHgnqz7k4

You see silent feathers, you probably didn't know that you needed to wait for the Resistance operatives to emerge from the subterranean bases once the official "green light", (not the official Fourth of July Green Light) which has been moved (there are two green lights) and is now being withheld from us lightworkers (see the plan posted earlier today) who have laughed at stuff like this, and you probably don't understand what "imminent" really means when it comes to Federation resistance movements and possibly your not listening closely enough to Lady Dragon, who has been to the Playboy Mansion and has all of the information given to her because she is a world renowned journalist and everybody wants her to disseminate the information.

Operation Omega Phoenix is different than Operation Stardust 2 where the elite get their nervous systems immobilized and are killed and sent back to The Great Central Sun with all of their memory dissolved. So keep that in mind.

I suggest you go back and review if you're confused!

[SilentFeathers]

You see silent feathers, you probably didn't know that you needed to wait for the Resistance operatives to emerge from the subterranean bases once the official "green light", which has been moved and is now being withheld from us lightworkers (see the plan posted earlier today) who have laughed at stuff like this, and you probably don't understand what "imminent" really means when it comes to Federation resistance movements and possibly your not listening closely enough to Lady Dragon, who has been to the Playboy Mansion and has all of the information given to her because she is a world renowned journalist and everybody wants her to disseminate the information.

I suggest you go back and review if you're confused!

Is this a trick gripreaper????? Is the real understanding to this stuff is to read this stuff backwards to make sense of it?

I will go back a re-read this stuff, forward and backwards, in order to not be so confused....thanks for your help, I'm starting to figure it out now :)

[gripreaper]

You see silent feathers, you probably didn't know that you needed to wait for the Resistance operatives to emerge from the subterranean bases once the official "green light", which has been moved and is now being withheld from us lightworkers (see the plan posted earlier today) who have laughed at stuff like this, and you probably don't understand what "imminent" really means when it comes to Federation resistance movements and possibly your not listening closely enough to Lady Dragon, who has been to the Playboy Mansion and has all of the information given to her because she is a world renowned journalist and everybody wants her to disseminate the information.

I suggest you go back and review if you're confused!

Is this a trick gripreaper????? Is the real understanding to this stuff is to read this stuff backwards to make sense of it?

I will go back a re-read this stuff, forward and backwards, in order to not be so confused....thanks for your help, I'm starting to figure it out now :)


It is not strategically wise to release intel that even the awakened population laughs at and at the same time the Cabal uses it to the disadvantage of the Light.

So, if we don't knock it off we're cut off. I wonder if my LOL at the bottom of post 3210 is tempting fate.

[aranuk]

Gripreaper would you mind putting it on the record here where you stand with all this drama? You seem to be stirring things up are you not. You post Drake updates and Cobra updates a lot. There are almost no Drake supporters left here, unless you haven't noticed. I read this thread and keep up to date with what is said here. Although what has been said here recently has taken a swerve into shaman land somewhere. It seems to me you naysayers are starting to argue amongst yourselves. Get a life. If you or any of the others left here would care to consider what the **** can be done to get rid of the ****in cabal instead of showing off how ****in clever you all are, then let me know what is being planned.

Stan

[gripreaper]

Gripreaper would you mind putting it on the record here where you stand with all this drama? You seem to be stirring things up are you not. You post Drake updates and Cobra updates a lot. There are almost no Drake supporters left here, unless you haven't noticed. I read this thread and keep up to date with what is said here. Although what has been said here recently has taken a swerve into shaman land somewhere. It seems to me you naysayers are starting to argue amongst yourselves. Get a life. If you or any of the others left here would care to consider what the **** can be done to get rid of the ****in cabal instead of showing off how ****in clever you all are, then let me know what is being planned.

Stan

The update postings I'm doing Stan are EXACT updates from Cobra and Drake and Lady Dragon. I'm doing it because those who "claim" to support Drake have all abandoned this thread.

As far as what to do to fix it. I've been perfectly clear about this, IN DIRECT response TO YOU Stan, earlier in this thread. A Constitutional Convention IS THE ONLY provision built into the Constitution by our forefathers to take care of a government usurped by tyranny.

No one even so much as challenged, were curious, or "burped" from their kool aid (except you) when I mentioned it. Also, it has been discussed many times how to go out into your local communities and decentralize from the beast and QUIT FEEDING IT.

These are REAL things we can do.

[aranuk]

In fact I prefer to concentrate my thoughts on nice things happening in the world, like the arresting of the cabal wankers, the people gaining freedom, justice happening around the world. FEMA camps were built in front of your eyes in USA. They were built to put citizens in or American people in. Whatever description you choose. While you smart arses are showing off how clever you are and how you are not gullible in any way, the corrupt government is eying you all up for filling them FEMA camps. Instead of of lecturing us Drake supporters why don't you get the finger out and start getting your smart heads together and start figuring out a plan to stop your incarceration into these camps. That is my advice to all you smart arses.

Stan

[gripreaper]

While you smart arses are showing off how clever you are and how you are not gullible in any way, the corrupt government is eying you all up for filling them FEMA camps.

Uh, they better not show up at my door with any crazy ideas like that.


Instead of of lecturing us Drake supporters why don't you get the finger out and start getting your smart heads together and start figuring out a plan to stop your incarceration into these camps. That is my advice to all you smart arses.

Although I do like to scratch my ass now and again when I have an itch, may I reiterate my previous point. Go out into your local communities. That's what I'm doing. That's really where the rubber meets the road and the boots are on the ground. Drake is certainly right about that.

[aranuk]

Gripreaper would you mind putting it on the record here where you stand with all this drama? You seem to be stirring things up are you not. You post Drake updates and Cobra updates a lot. There are almost no Drake supporters left here, unless you haven't noticed. I read this thread and keep up to date with what is said here. Although what has been said here recently has taken a swerve into shaman land somewhere. It seems to me you naysayers are starting to argue amongst yourselves. Get a life. If you or any of the others left here would care to consider what the **** can be done to get rid of the ****in cabal instead of showing off how ****in clever you all are, then let me know what is being planned.

Stan

The update postings I'm doing Stan are EXACT updates from Cobra and Drake and Lady Dragon. I'm doing it because those who "claim" to support Drake have all abandoned this thread.

As far as what to do to fix it. I've been perfectly clear about this, IN DIRECT response TO YOU Stan, earlier in this thread. A Constitutional Convention IS THE ONLY provision built into the Constitution by our forefathers to take care of a government usurped by tyranny.

No one even so much as challenged, were curious, or "burped" from their kool aid (except you) when I mentioned it. Also, it has been discussed many times how to go out into your local communities and decentralize from the beast and QUIT FEEDING IT.

These are REAL things we can do.

I hear a lot about this Kool aid. It seems to be used as a cliche of which I have no idea of.
Please tell me about your Constitutional Convention IS THE ONLY provision built into the Constitution by our forefathers to take care of a government usurped by tyranny. I am Scottish and have no idea or understanding of legal constitutional affairs. So Gripreaper appeal to your friends here in USA who are the smart arses and ask them to support you. Will they? I doubt it. They are really more at home arguing and showing others on the internet how ****ing clever they are.

Gripreaper know one thing my friend, if you think this other way is more likely to produce positive results for the people of your country then count on me for one who support everything you do Sir.

Stan

[9eagle9]

I will repeat that there's about 5 live threads with the solution. If you really want a solution go find one.

Warning; they aren't fuzzy feel good solutions, they are hard work proactive solutions.


Gripreaper would you mind putting it on the record here where you stand with all this drama? You seem to be stirring things up are you not. You post Drake updates and Cobra updates a lot. There are almost no Drake supporters left here, unless you haven't noticed. I read this thread and keep up to date with what is said here. Although what has been said here recently has taken a swerve into shaman land somewhere. It seems to me you naysayers are starting to argue amongst yourselves. Get a life. If you or any of the others left here would care to consider what the **** can be done to get rid of the ****in cabal instead of showing off how ****in clever you all are, then let me know what is being planned.

Stan

[gripreaper]

Please tell me about your Constitutional Convention IS THE ONLY provision built into the Constitution by our forefathers to take care of a government usurped by tyranny.

The Article 5 Convention is explained here: http://foavc.org/


So Gripreaper appeal to your friends here in USA who are the smart arses and ask them to support you. Will they? I doubt it.

I've been involved in many a discussion about this, on may talkshoes with hundreds of people, at local assemblies and such, and the results are mixed. Our forefathers set up the Republic as a representative form of government, and yes, WE FELL ASLEEP at the wheel and let tyranny take over, by not participating full on all the time. Our grandfathers let the Federal Reserve Act go through finally in 1913, which was a huge mistake.

The education system has been taken over and most don't have any idea what representative government truly means and how to defend it, protect it, and remove tyranny when it has been usurped. The fear of most who are awake is that a "Con Con" as they affectionately want to call it, requires an awake electorate, and if we call for one, the elite will use it to strip away our Constitution, to which I just laugh. ALL of that is already gone.

The squeeze continues and the pressure builds. Like Gerald Celente likes to say: " When people lose it all, they have nothing to lose, so they lose it"

I don't think we have anything to lose by calling for one. I see people awakening more every day, and hopefully I am doing my part to facilitate that. One day my friend, one day I think we hit a flash point, the 100th monkey shows up, and it happens.

[aranuk]

While you smart arses are showing off how clever you are and how you are not gullible in any way, the corrupt government is eying you all up for filling them FEMA camps.

Uh, they better not show up at my door with any crazy ideas like that.


Instead of of lecturing us Drake supporters why don't you get the finger out and start getting your smart heads together and start figuring out a plan to stop your incarceration into these camps. That is my advice to all you smart arses.

Although I do like to scratch my ass now and again when I have an itch, may I reiterate my previous point. Go out into your local communities. That's what I'm doing. That's really where the rubber meets the road and the boots are on the ground. Drake is certainly right about that.

Gripreaper I take my hat of to you brother for what you are doing. At least you can build on Drake's small accomplishments! Anything I can do do help you Americans out just let me know. I have lots of time here since I retired.

Stan

[aranuk]

Please tell me about your Constitutional Convention IS THE ONLY provision built into the Constitution by our forefathers to take care of a government usurped by tyranny.

The Article 5 Convention is explained here: http://foavc.org/


So Gripreaper appeal to your friends here in USA who are the smart arses and ask them to support you. Will they? I doubt it.

I've been involved in many a discussion about this, on may talkshoes with hundreds of people, at local assemblies and such, and the results are mixed. Our forefathers set up the Republic as a representative form of government, and yes, WE FELL ASLEEP at the wheel and let tyranny take over, by not participating full on all the time. Our grandfathers let the Federal Reserve Act go through finally in 1913, which was a huge mistake.

The education system has been taken over and most don't have any idea what representative government truly means and how to defend it, protect it, and remove tyranny when it has bee usurped. The fear of most who are awake is that a "Con Con" as they affectionately want to call it, requires an awake electorate, and if we call for one, the elite will use it to strip away our Constitution, to which I just laugh. ALL of that is already gone. The squeeze continues and the pressure builds.

Like Gerald Celente likes to say: " When people lose it all, they have nothing to lose, so they lose it"

I don't think we have anything to lose by calling for one. I see people awakening more every day, and hopefully I am doing my part to facilitate that. One day my friend, one day I think we hit a flash point, the 100th monkey shows up, and it happens.

To God I pray that this happens Gripreaper. I really do. I have tears in my eyes writing this. But tears of love.


Stan

[Maunagarjana]

PS Gripreaper... I'm loving your updates... I don't know why, because you deliver them absolutely straight, but they make me laugh uproariously!:pound:

I gotta admit, Gripreaper's presentation style cracks me up. It does sound crazy. Who could deny that?

[Maunagarjana]

Please tell me about your Constitutional Convention IS THE ONLY provision built into the Constitution by our forefathers to take care of a government usurped by tyranny.

The Article 5 Convention is explained here: http://foavc.org/


So Gripreaper appeal to your friends here in USA who are the smart arses and ask them to support you. Will they? I doubt it.

I've been involved in many a discussion about this, on may talkshoes with hundreds of people, at local assemblies and such, and the results are mixed. Our forefathers set up the Republic as a representative form of government, and yes, WE FELL ASLEEP at the wheel and let tyranny take over, by not participating full on all the time. Our grandfathers let the Federal Reserve Act go through finally in 1913, which was a huge mistake.

The education system has been taken over and most don't have any idea what representative government truly means and how to defend it, protect it, and remove tyranny when it has been usurped. The fear of most who are awake is that a "Con Con" as they affectionately want to call it, requires an awake electorate, and if we call for one, the elite will use it to strip away our Constitution, to which I just laugh. ALL of that is already gone.

The squeeze continues and the pressure builds. Like Gerald Celente likes to say: " When people lose it all, they have nothing to lose, so they lose it"

I don't think we have anything to lose by calling for one. I see people awakening more every day, and hopefully I am doing my part to facilitate that. One day my friend, one day I think we hit a flash point, the 100th monkey shows up, and it happens.

Just a thought, Gripreaper.....why don't you call into Drake's show and ask him about what you are saying?

[foreverfan]

http://www.ducati.org/forums/attachments/kitchen-sink/34866d1281483709-official-abusive-kitty-thread-post-em-if-you-got-em-threatens-his-children-while-driving1.jpg

[StarDust]

I gotta admit, Gripreaper's presentation style cracks me up. It does sound crazy. Who could deny that?

Just the fact that the naysayers will keep posting new material as it surfaces just to keep the thread alive so they can debate amongst themselves speaks volumes...:rolleyes:

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I gotta admit, Gripreaper's presentation style cracks me up. It does sound crazy. Who could deny that?

Just the fact that the naysayers will keep posting new material as it surfaces just to keep the thread alive so they can debate amongst themselves speaks volumes...:rolleyes:

The Drake and Co developments have been having a substantial impact in the alternative media community. How is continued monitoring of developments there "speaking volumes"?

:rolleyes:

[NancyV]

I gotta admit, Gripreaper's presentation style cracks me up. It does sound crazy. Who could deny that?

Just the fact that the naysayers will keep posting new material as it surfaces just to keep the thread alive so they can debate amongst themselves speaks volumes...:rolleyes:
What "speaks volumes" is that the Drake followers who are disappointed that none of Drakes statements about mass arrests happened, seem to need to take take their disappointment out on those who warned what a farce it was from the beginning. Disappointment has become misplaced anger. How about directing your anger at the LIAR, Drake, and his merry band of delusional cohorts?

Of course this reaction is not a surprise nor unexpected. We knew all along that those of us who saw this fantasy for what it was would be the object of many of the "believers" anger after their hero fell flat on his arse. It's normal to want to blame anyone but yourself for being taken in by a fiction. I'm okay with that since I understand human nature. The ones who can't handle admitting they are wrong have left, the more sore losers have stayed to make their anger known and even attempt to put some of the blame on the naysayers. Some still believe in Drake despite multiple missed dates and continued lies. No big deal. It's all good fun and great lessons.

[StarDust]

What "speaks volumes" is that the Drake followers who are disappointed that none of Drakes statements about mass arrests happened, seem to need to take take their disappointment out on those who warned what a farce it was from the beginning. Disappointment has become misplaced anger. How about directing your anger at the LIAR, Drake, and his merry band of delusional cohorts?

Of course this reaction is not a surprise nor unexpected. We knew all along that those of us who saw this fantasy for what it was would be the object of many of the "believers" anger after their hero fell flat on his arse. It's normal to want to blame anyone but yourself for being taken in by a fiction. I'm okay with that since I understand human nature. The ones who can't handle admitting they are wrong have left, the more sore losers have stayed to make their anger known and even attempt to put some of the blame on the naysayers. Some still believe in Drake despite multiple missed dates and continued lies. No big deal. It's all good fun and great lessons.

WOW! You got all of that out of my purposely brief and open ended statement. Just wanted to ferret out some venom and it worked like a charm - it's amazing how easy it is to get people's knickers in a wad on this site. Can you pull a rabbit out of a hat as well? :laugh::laugh::laugh::pound::pound::pound:

[NancyV]

WOW! You got all of that out of my purposely brief and open ended statement. Just wanted to ferret out some venom and it worked like a charm - it's amazing how easy it is to get people's knickers in a wad on this site. Can you pull rabbits out of hats as well? :laugh::laugh::laugh::pound::pound::pound:
I think I could probably do that, yes! :juggle::victory:

[Maunagarjana]

I gotta admit, Gripreaper's presentation style cracks me up. It does sound crazy. Who could deny that?

Just the fact that the naysayers will keep posting new material as it surfaces just to keep the thread alive so they can debate amongst themselves speaks volumes...:rolleyes:
What "speaks volumes" is that the Drake followers who are disappointed that none of Drakes statements about mass arrests happened, seem to need to take take their disappointment out on those who warned what a farce it was from the beginning. Disappointment has become misplaced anger. How about directing your anger at the LIAR, Drake, and his merry band of delusional cohorts?

Of course this reaction is not a surprise nor unexpected. We knew all along that those of us who saw this fantasy for what it was would be the object of many of the "believers" anger after their hero fell flat on his arse. It's normal to want to blame anyone but yourself for being taken in by a fiction. I'm okay with that since I understand human nature. The ones who can't handle admitting they are wrong have left, the more sore losers have stayed to make their anger known and even attempt to put some of the blame on the naysayers. Some still believe in Drake despite multiple missed dates and continued lies. No big deal. It's all good fun and great lessons.

Now for a haiku:

Disappointment Farce
Fiction Delusional Blame
Fantasy Losers

[NancyV]

Now for a haiku:

Disappointment Farce
Fiction Delusional Blame
Fantasy Losers
Haiku back atcha:

Or maybe a GAME
Played with friends in Illusion
We all are winners

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Just wanted to ferret out some venom and it worked like a charm - it's amazing how easy it is to get people's knickers in a wad on this site.

This is called "trolling". But I am guessing you knew that. You seem to be adept at it and, more importantly, take great pleasure in it. I guess everybody needs a hobby.

[gripreaper]

Now now, according to Drake, you should be polishing and cleaning your guns and getting ready for war, because the new deadline in the sand is the vote by the UN on the 27th of this month, on the small arms treaty, and the militias are not going to sit back and let anyone take their guns away. Drake said it wouldn't be that tough for a couple hundred thousand to take out 500.

The old deadline in the sand was the NDAA, which was to be the absolute no cross line, indefinite detention without due process, which is when the Galactic Federations decided to speak with Cobra and tell us all about the resistance forces, who will come up from the underground bases and be the operatives for the mass arrests, and take Stardust and strategically paralyze the nervous systems of these elite, rendering them immobile so that they can be removed from consciousness and returned to the Great Central Sun, never to be remembered as a part of consciousness with all of their history and lifetimes returned to light particles and sent back to source as if they never existed.

The military is to be rendered "irrelevant" if they do not act by this July 27th deadline, which is the new deadline after the July Fourth deadline we were supposed to sit back and enjoy the fireworks because it will be the best Fourth of July ever, kinda got misunderstood by the lightworkers cause there are two Green Lights and the one Drake was talking about is not the same Green Light that the Galactic resistance is working from, because they have removed all of the bad ET's and they no longer exist because the motherships which were being used as soul harvesters by the bad ET's have all been taken out, and the only bad guys left are the cabalists.

But the Federation of galactic operatives of the resistance movement are not going to share with us anymore information because we laughed at them, so any more updates on Operation Omega Phoenix 1 and 2, and possibly 3, plus Operation Stardust 1 and 2 and possibly 3, will all be run through Lady Dragon, who is the chosen point news gathering liaison for Drake now since she went to the Playboy Mansion, as she mentioned in Drakes latest radio show.

So why would anyone think that any of this sounds a bit odd?

[ThePythonicCow]

I suggest you go back and review if you're confused!
The management of this forum is not responsible for any mental anguish experienced by members who get trapped in an infinite "rinse, lather, repeat" loop, trying to make sense of any above post.

:) :cow: :)

[Ishtar]

What "speaks volumes" is that the Drake followers who are disappointed that none of Drakes statements about mass arrests happened, seem to need to take take their disappointment out on those who warned what a farce it was from the beginning. Disappointment has become misplaced anger. How about directing your anger at the LIAR, Drake, and his merry band of delusional cohorts?

Of course this reaction is not a surprise nor unexpected. We knew all along that those of us who saw this fantasy for what it was would be the object of many of the "believers" anger after their hero fell flat on his arse. It's normal to want to blame anyone but yourself for being taken in by a fiction. I'm okay with that since I understand human nature. The ones who can't handle admitting they are wrong have left, the more sore losers have stayed to make their anger known and even attempt to put some of the blame on the naysayers. Some still believe in Drake despite multiple missed dates and continued lies. No big deal. It's all good fun and great lessons.

WOW! You got all of that out of my purposely brief and open ended statement. Just wanted to ferret out some venom and it worked like a charm - it's amazing how easy it is to get people's knickers in a wad on this site. Can you pull a rabbit out of a hat as well? :laugh::laugh::laugh::pound::pound::pound:

Trust me on this one, Stardust mate, you will never get to see Nancy's knickers. ;)

[StarDust]

Just wanted to ferret out some venom and it worked like a charm - it's amazing how easy it is to get people's knickers in a wad on this site.

This is called "trolling". But I am guessing you knew that. You seem to be adept at it and, more importantly, take great pleasure in it. I guess everybody needs a hobby.

Just beating the bush to see who has the strongest desire to play the "I'm right, you're wrong" game. It seems to be overwhelmingly popular in these parts. In my younger years I would have called for participants who spend extraordinary amounts of time trying to express righteousness to "get a life". Clearly, some of you are advanced in years and so this is your life. So by all means carry on. After all, there are innumerable internet battles to wage and "win" before you can be appointed Supreme Egghead of Cyberspace.

:first:

[StarDust]

Trust me on this one, Stardust mate, you will never get to see Nancy's knickers. ;)

:shocked::hand:

…the thought of seeing granny panties is quite disturbing:yuck:

[9eagle9]

Bring the baby powder next time you post Nancy, the guru suckers get sore arses when their faery tales don't come true.

Seriously are the adherents that tender, that Nancy's post was considered venomous. Can you read a recipe without being emotionally triggered?





What "speaks volumes" is that the Drake followers who are disappointed that none of Drakes statements about mass arrests happened, seem to need to take take their disappointment out on those who warned what a farce it was from the beginning. Disappointment has become misplaced anger. How about directing your anger at the LIAR, Drake, and his merry band of delusional cohorts?

Of course this reaction is not a surprise nor unexpected. We knew all along that those of us who saw this fantasy for what it was would be the object of many of the "believers" anger after their hero fell flat on his arse. It's normal to want to blame anyone but yourself for being taken in by a fiction. I'm okay with that since I understand human nature. The ones who can't handle admitting they are wrong have left, the more sore losers have stayed to make their anger known and even attempt to put some of the blame on the naysayers. Some still believe in Drake despite multiple missed dates and continued lies. No big deal. It's all good fun and great lessons.

WOW! You got all of that out of my purposely brief and open ended statement. Just wanted to ferret out some venom and it worked like a charm - it's amazing how easy it is to get people's knickers in a wad on this site. Can you pull a rabbit out of a hat as well? :laugh::laugh::laugh::pound::pound::pound:

[Avocadess]

In case anyone missed this:

COBRA's new blog from yesterday brings news that is music to my ears:

"Posted: 13 Jul 2012 02:03 PM PDT

"The Plan Expanded

"The original plan for the liberation of this planet has been expanded. There will be less talk and more action:

"1. Less intel will be declassified and given to the general population. The reason for this is that the awakened part of the general population has underperformed regarding what it did with the intel received. It is not strategically wise to release intel that even the awakened population laughs at and at the same time the Cabal uses it to the disadvantage of the Light.

"You will still receive intel and updates, but certain things will be withheld until the appropriate time.

"2. The Matrix is beginning to crack in the mass media. The cracks will expand and widen.

"The mass arrests scenario is beginning to leak into the mainstream. This article tends to be a little bit too violent for my taste, but it manages to get across the message that certain people need to be stopped in their actions:

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/07/mainstream-economist-we-might-need-to-hang-some-bankers-to-stop-illegal-behavior.html

"And you might want to sign this petition:

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/bankers_behind_bars_f/?fpla

"Almost half a million people signed it in three days. It has a potential to reach the critical mass and trigger some real changes. Make it viral! I have received reports that the petition page is blocked by Internet Explorer. If you can not reach it, try with Firefox or some other browser instead.

"Mainstream media are starting to report about disclosure also. You can read this:

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/07/ex-cia-agent-roswell-nm-incident-really-happened/1#.UAB7JJHB29v

"And this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2171872/Tony-Blair-received-MOD-briefing-UFOs-prime-minister-concerns-disclosure-classified-information-alien-life-forms.html#ixzz20QIJvemrReply

"3. At a specific point before the Event, certain actions will be taken that will bring undeniable proof to the awakened population that the Plan is real and that there are indeed Light forces working towards the planetary liberation.

"4. Greed and lust for power inside the Light forces on the surface of this planet (Positive Military, White Dragon Society…) is understandable and tolerable as an intrinsic part of the human nature, to a certain point. But when it begins to hinder operations, create delays, or when certain suffering could be prevented inside the general population and it is not, people responsible for this will be held accountable. The Resistance Movement is monitoring all operations of the surface positive groups and knows exactly what everybody is doing.

"5. The Resistance Movement will give positive groups on the surface of the planet a certain limited period of time to carry out the actual liberation themselves. If they fail to do so, direct action will be taken by the Resistance independently from any positive groups or the general population. This is the second part of Operation Omega Phoenix. Very few details will be given out before the actual operation itself. If Operation Omega Phoenix 2 will be needed, it will be less user-friendly to the general population because a little more severe disruptions in the distribution chain are possible. The Green Light (advance notice to the general population) for Operation Omega Phoenix 2 may or may not be issued.

"6. The “containment”, as many channels describe it, is not possible. There will be actual physical arrests of the Cabal taking place. The positive ET forces will only assist from the distance with their light healing and balancing technologies to ensure they will happen with as little violence as possible"

You can read the blog quoted above directly at Cobra's website (and also subscribe to get updates in your email) at: http://2012portal.blogspot.com/

Wishing you the best day EVER!!

Avocadess

[9eagle9]

Drake created the game. We only told y'all it was a game. We played but we did keep reminding you it was game, and not reality.

We did warn you you'd end up looking/ feeling like idiots when the beer goggles wore off....

Oh my god...we were right again!!






Just wanted to ferret out some venom and it worked like a charm - it's amazing how easy it is to get people's knickers in a wad on this site.

This is called "trolling". But I am guessing you knew that. You seem to be adept at it and, more importantly, take great pleasure in it. I guess everybody needs a hobby.

Just beating the bush to see who has the strongest desire to play the "I'm right, you're wrong" game. It seems to be overwhelmingly popular in these parts. In my younger years I would have called for participants who spend extraordinary amounts of time trying to express righteousness to "get a life". Clearly, some of you are advanced in years and so this is your life. So by all means carry on. After all, there are innumerable internet battles to wage and "win" before you can be appointed Supreme Egghead of Cyberspace.

:first:

[9eagle9]

We did . We got our fingers out of are arse and told you Drake was a game.

Didn't do any good did it?

The only nice thing that happened is that you guys got a blow job.


In fact I prefer to concentrate my thoughts on nice things happening in the world, like the arresting of the cabal wankers, the people gaining freedom, justice happening around the world. FEMA camps were built in front of your eyes in USA. They were built to put citizens in or American people in. Whatever description you choose. While you smart arses are showing off how clever you are and how you are not gullible in any way, the corrupt government is eying you all up for filling them FEMA camps. Instead of of lecturing us Drake supporters why don't you get the finger out and start getting your smart heads together and start figuring out a plan to stop your incarceration into these camps. That is my advice to all you smart arses.

Stan

[indigopete]

"The original plan for the liberation of this planet has been expanded. There will be less talk and more action

I don't think that's correct, Avocadess. That should read "more talk and less action".

That's to say:

NOT HAPPENING = 72 hour shutdown, constant broadcasting of cabal crimes on all mainstream media, mass arrests of cabal members and suspension of domestic debt

IS HAPPENING = Constant blogging of heresay nonsense and impending ET sponsored saviours, making the story up as we go along

Pete

[Belle]

Just wanted to ferret out some venom and it worked like a charm - it's amazing how easy it is to get people's knickers in a wad on this site.

This is called "trolling". But I am guessing you knew that. You seem to be adept at it and, more importantly, take great pleasure in it. I guess everybody needs a hobby.

Just beating the bush to see who has the strongest desire to play the "I'm right, you're wrong" game. It seems to be overwhelmingly popular in these parts. In my younger years I would have called for participants who spend extraordinary amounts of time trying to express righteousness to "get a life". Clearly, some of you are advanced in years and so this is your life. So by all means carry on. After all, there are innumerable internet battles to wage and "win" before you can be appointed Supreme Egghead of Cyberspace.

:first:

It has nothing to do with age...it is experience. Same game played over and over...only the names and dates have changed. Seen it all before.

Experience over gullibility...