Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[Unified Serenity]

Just wanted to ferret out some venom and it worked like a charm - it's amazing how easy it is to get people's knickers in a wad on this site.

This is called "trolling". But I am guessing you knew that. You seem to be adept at it and, more importantly, take great pleasure in it. I guess everybody needs a hobby.

Just beating the bush to see who has the strongest desire to play the "I'm right, you're wrong" game. It seems to be overwhelmingly popular in these parts. In my younger years I would have called for participants who spend extraordinary amounts of time trying to express righteousness to "get a life". Clearly, some of you are advanced in years and so this is your life. So by all means carry on. After all, there are innumerable internet battles to wage and "win" before you can be appointed Supreme Egghead of Cyberspace.

:first:

This is so disingenuous. It's like someone coming onto a thread and saying, "I can't believe you guys are wasting time on this. I certainly won't". Well they just did it. You spend a lot of time accusing others of playing the us vs. them game when yourself and by your various posts show just whose "camp" you stand. Say all you want that you don't have an ego or a side, but it's plainly evident to me that you do. You can't fool me.

[StarDust]

It has nothing to do with age...it is experience. Same game played over and over...only the names and dates have changed. Seen it all before.

Experience over gullibility...

To which I say that is vastly improbable by virtue of the fact that the chess board is what is being modified at this time. If you have prior 'experience' with Gaia expanding her consciousness to include all living things within her and becoming a higher vibrational being in the process that will no longer support lower vibrational life, then you are likely to be from the future and said 'experience' would be deemed irrelevant.

[StarDust]

Just wanted to ferret out some venom and it worked like a charm - it's amazing how easy it is to get people's knickers in a wad on this site.

This is called "trolling". But I am guessing you knew that. You seem to be adept at it and, more importantly, take great pleasure in it. I guess everybody needs a hobby.

Just beating the bush to see who has the strongest desire to play the "I'm right, you're wrong" game. It seems to be overwhelmingly popular in these parts. In my younger years I would have called for participants who spend extraordinary amounts of time trying to express righteousness to "get a life". Clearly, some of you are advanced in years and so this is your life. So by all means carry on. After all, there are innumerable internet battles to wage and "win" before you can be appointed Supreme Egghead of Cyberspace.

:first:

This is so disingenuous. It's like someone coming onto a thread and saying, "I can't believe you guys are wasting time on this. I certainly won't". Well they just did it. You spend a lot of time accusing others of playing the us vs. them game when yourself and by your various posts show just whose "camp" you stand. Say all you want that you don't have an ego or a side, but it's plainly evident to me that you do. You can't fool me.

Disingenuous? Really? Would that be "disingenuous" in the same spirit as the rampent naysayers crawling all over a thread that they fundamentally don't support like roaches infesting a cheap motel just for the sake of needing to prove their own beliefs at the expense of others. Conversely, if any naysayers have the right to do such a thing, then any neutral parties (and/or supporters) also have the equal right to come in and stir the pot as well.

In spite of what you 'think' you know about me, I have yet to defend or denounce Drake and Co. If you 'think' otherwise, then prove it! All I have done is post their updates from time to time and remain open-minded to what may come of it. I am fundamentally neutral in the sense that I have no need to get hung up on time-lines like some proverbial child in the back of the bus asking "are we there yet?"

My core belief is that what is forthcoming has been foretold by the ancients for thousands of years and has been in the works for millions (if not trillions) of years by those who manage planetary systems. The change that is coming is not solely predicated on Drake or any other and the fact that they are involved to some extent falls into the interesting footnote category and little more from my perspective.

What you will not find from my involvement on Avalon, or any other forum for that matter, is intentionally going onto any thread that I don't believe in/have interest in and starting a conversation just to 'prove' others wrong just for the sake of argument. I may offer an opposing point of view, but I won't spend an inordinate amount of time defending one position with a scorched earth policy. That to me is the first tell tale sign of needing to get a life.:p

[Jeffrey]

oavMtUWDBTM

[9eagle9]

I have to admit having a few sheep at the barn, even sheep see the light after a while....

so what is this a new breed of super sheep? You don't have to sheer them, they take the clippers to themselves?



"The original plan for the liberation of this planet has been expanded. There will be less talk and more action

I don't think that's correct, Avocadess. That should read "more talk and less action".

That's to say:

NOT HAPPENING = 72 hour shutdown, constant broadcasting of cabal crimes on all mainstream media, mass arrests of cabal members and suspension of domestic debt

IS HAPPENING = Constant blogging of heresay nonsense and impending ET sponsored saviours, making the story up as we go along

Pete

¤=[Post Update]=¤

SHUT UP!

Oh wait...maybe he Trololo has a message for us.


oavMtUWDBTM

[SilentFeathers]

George Carlin - Arrogance of mankind

2cjRGee5ipM

[heyokah]

And all the time I have been thinking:

"What is wrong with all you people?........"

UxB-H6f3crY

[Kelly]

I long for the day, when we, as humans, are fully awake, and confident in our own power, without giving it away to whatever wannabe comes along, to spread false hope and disinformation, like drake does, and so many others like him.
When we believe the lies, when we feel hope, then the disappointment, when the promises do not occur, our valuable energy is taken from us, not stolen, given away, because we, once again, have been fooled, by our own free will.
It is no0ones fault, but our own.
we choose what to believe.
I choose to believe in myself.

[StarDust]

From a systemic perspective, everything is fundamentally neutral until the individual assigns it meaning. This understanding is what I've found to be essential in maintaining and even increasing one's energy. If you maintain the neutrality, then there are no lies and thus no disappointment - only perspectives that may or may not come to fruition.

[gripreaper]

From a systemic perspective, everything is fundamentally neutral until the individual assigns it meaning. This understanding is what I've found to be essential in maintaining and even increasing one's energy. If you maintain the neutrality, then there are no lies and thus no disappointment - only perspectives that may or may not come to fruition.

But we chose to come here and experience all of the polarized states of duality in their extremes, and boy, it's been a lot of fun, is one heck of a ride, and I've learned a hell of a lot. I can feel things I never felt before, which have texture, tone, timbre, context, emotion, and a variety of sensation, on the visceral cellular level as well as in my energy field.

So, I'm not disappointed at all having given those polarized experiences meaning, labels, context, archetypes, and judgments. It has helped me to weave a tapestry so vast, so great, so joyous, so endearing, so humorous, so encompassing, so compassionate, and so phenomenal, that I would not trade the journey of many lifetimes for anything.

Not even for a one time pass on this planet from a social memory complex to come help Gaia. This earth is the best ride in the cosmos.

[StarDust]

grip,

That is a very poetic expression of what it means to be human from your perspective. Clearly you opted to be here for the duration and to that I say, it is commendable and to each their own. I don't perceive my function as any less of an experience, just a different one that is purpose built and equally valid within the divine plan.

[foreverfan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q

[indigopete]

rampent naysayers crawling . . . roaches infesting a cheap motel . . . . going onto any thread that I don't believe in/have interest in and starting a conversation just to 'prove' others wrong just for the sake of argument

StarDust -

Hang onto your hat a minute. Some very specific claims were made about imminent world events in the geopolitical realm.

I note your preference that the thread only be participated in by those who faithfully believe that these events will happen, but that's not how the information was presented.

It was presented to all as a statement of impending fact - not as a proposal for consultation or dialog or even inspiration.

This thread is therefore a general reaction to that statement and it behoves us to observe that it's probably false. This discussion belongs to all because the statement was made to all and it deserves to be challenged.

First of all, the events as described, in the timeframe stated, did not occur. Secondly, the agenda - even if it exists - remains ambigious and thirdly the sources of this information remain anonymous (if they exist).

If anyone needs to leave the thread it's the promoters of this type of faith based "propaganda" because they can't add anything to the discussion except more unsubstantiated, ambigious propaganda.

[Kelly]

Talking of perspectives, ive just been looking out of my window, on my closed in balcony, and through it i could see a fir tree, if i glazed my eyes a tiny bit, it looked like there was no glass in it at all, probably the reason why flies hit it all the time!
Which got me thinking, if we all see things, from our own particular perspective, then it stands to reason, we see things differently, so maybe, some of us, see things from a perspective of, we need heroes, some people realise, we are the heroes, some people recognise, none of us are hero's!
Like bertie basset said, it takes all sorts!

[Kelly]

If we take the perspective, that we need hero's, then we will look for them, (drake and the like) if we have the perspective, we are the hero's, we will be them, (doing things for ourselves)
If we understand we need no hero's, we will simply be, (doing things for ourselves, and just being at the same time!)

[Belle]

It has nothing to do with age...it is experience. Same game played over and over...only the names and dates have changed. Seen it all before.

Experience over gullibility...

To which I say that is vastly improbable by virtue of the fact that the chess board is what is being modified at this time. If you have prior 'experience' with Gaia expanding her consciousness to include all living things within her and becoming a higher vibrational being in the process that will no longer support lower vibrational life, then you are likely to be from the future and said 'experience' would be deemed irrelevant.

I thought this thread was "Drake: Updates, clarifications and more".

Thank you for your input. That subject would make a fine thread of its own.

Just one question...where does "ego and arrogance running wild" fit on the vibrational scale?

[Avocadess]

REMINDER: Please join the collective global meditation every Sunday (or every day if the spirit moves you to do so) in the intention meditation for the Earth to be cleansed of cruel and negative entities and for the liberation from them to freedom for all of humankind. I find this video to be very helpful as a focal point -- and it also helps those participating to be "intending" the same thing. It is scientifically proven that such "intention experiments" have worked in the pass to cease or nearly cease violence in very violent regions.

This is a meditation to do EVERY Sunday until it is ACCOMPLISHED. If you agree this is a good thing, I would implore you to post a link to this video on your Facebook, Twitter and wherever you do social networking. It is believed that we are short 25,000 people or less who are doing this meditation before we hit the magical CRITICAL MASS that will make it SUPER effective:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjXIstvQeKo&%3Bfeature=player_embedded

(The words in this video were provided by COBRA of Portal 2012)

[9eagle9]

Oy, I so want to be corded into the same density you're corded into.

[gripreaper]

For those of you who may not know, there are links at COBRA's website that you can go to:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/

http://americannationalmilitia.com/

http://americankabuki.blogspot.com/

http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/

http://avocadess.com/door2

[SKAWF]

Oy, I so want to be corded into the same density you're corded into.

so does he.

[SKAWF]

on a personal level.......

and it should be said that there are things within my sphere, that i'm entirely truthful with.....
but outside, i deal with things differently.

i have learned to reserve judgement.
whether or not to act.
poker face.

people clam up when you resist them.
i do nothing.
let them think you believe everything they say.
then watch as they see what they can get away with.

the thing is, not everything drake has said has been untrue.
he said once about having a solar powered radio/charger/torch,
i thought that was most useful.
i dont doubt there were other really useful things in there as well.

and really, its fair to allow people to completely state their case
as well as giving yourself the most information to work with

and even if the whole thing was poppykoch, not all of it was unusable
as is the way with most things

i tend not to show my hand too much, to things i'm suspicious of.

[StarDust]

Just one question...where does "ego and arrogance running wild" fit on the vibrational scale?

You are welcome to share your findings once you have concluded your self-examination.

However, the process I briefly mentioned has been in progress for a very long time. It is what is transpiring all around you regardless of wether or not you choose to acknowledge it.


StarDust -

Hang onto your hat a minute. Some very specific claims were made about imminent world events in the geopolitical realm.

I note your preference that the thread only be participated in by those who faithfully believe that these events will happen, but that's not how the information was presented.

It was presented to all as a statement of impending fact - not as a proposal for consultation or dialog or even inspiration.

This thread is therefore a general reaction to that statement and it behoves us to observe that it's probably false. This discussion belongs to all because the statement was made to all and it deserves to be challenged.

First of all, the events as described, in the timeframe stated, did not occur. Secondly, the agenda - even if it exists - remains ambigious and thirdly the sources of this information remain anonymous (if they exist).

If anyone needs to leave the thread it's the promoters of this type of faith based "propaganda" because they can't add anything to the discussion except more unsubstantiated, ambigious propaganda.

I was only providing a counter point. Feel free to carry on. I'm not standing in your way.

[Christine]

Yes, I agree La Tigra, but you were bang on the button with:



We all need to hone our ability to read energy and quit fooling ourselves. Of course this means we need integrity within ourselves first. ...

which is also bound up with trusting your own intuition. But a further thought occurs to me and that is if you have given your power away, you are very often completely divorced from your intuition and cannot hear even hear the loud clanging alarm bells going off.

......Or the still quite voice within that contains your own TRUTH. There is always a part of Self that is independent, wise and all encompassing, the part that sees the whole. The cord that connects us to this self has been for all practical purposes severed and we have become susceptible to the master energy manipulators who with no scruples what so ever play upon our weaknesses.

We are learning though... each time we reveal a truth the veil gets thinner and we are not so easily deceived. We integrate, we use our minds, our senses, physical and intuitive... integrity. Once we fully know ourselves we are free.

[aranuk]

LADY DRAGON FLYERS TO PRINT AND DISTRIBUTE!!!!

Printing Instructions

Below is the text that is in this RTF (Rich Text File)

- Download this file

- Open it in Word Pad

- Then you can print it from there

Free Canada Movement 2012

Educate yourself in order to create a better tomorrow

http://www.fcm2012.com


- Do you know about THE EVENT ?

- Are you prepared for THE EVENT ?

- Do you know that when THE EVENT happens, the banks will be closed; ATM and Credit Cards will NOT work.

Plus do you know anything about the following ?;

- BANKS are all owned by a criminal cartel

- BANKS are involved in drug trafficking

- INCOME TAX is ILLEGAL

- FLUORIDE is toxic waste in your water and toothpaste in order to kill you slowly

- CHEMTRAILS are sprayed to make the population very sick

- INOCULATION means any vaccines that you take are full of viruses in order to kill you slowly

If you want to learn more please go to Free Canada Movement site

http://www.fcm2012.com

Free Canada Movement 2012

Educate yourself in order to create a better tomorrow

http://www.fcm2012.com/print.html

I'm going to go down to my supermarket parking lot and hand these out. Should be very well received don't ya think?

Hi Grip, if you go down to any shopping area where most of the population goes to buy food and tell them the TRUTH about what is going on in the world, do you think they would believe you? If you told them all the lies the media come out with you would have more or less an easy time. What do you honestly think would be the right and correct message to give these people? Truthfully. To be fair with lady Dragon, she did not post this message at the supermarket my friend, she posted it on her website where people who are waking up to some degree are visiting her site through listening to Drake.

Stan

[indigopete]

I was only providing a counter point. Feel free to carry on. I'm not standing in your way.

Naeborra.

ll

[9eagle9]

Yeah! They'd no more accept the truth of what is occurring in our world anymore than Drake's adherent's accept the truth about this situation.

When people laugh and mock the general population and then close their own ears to the truth one is just getting a reflection effect.

Like Drakes drum beaters most of the population knows something is wrong; they don't care.




LADY DRAGON FLYERS TO PRINT AND DISTRIBUTE!!!!

Printing Instructions

Below is the text that is in this RTF (Rich Text File)

- Download this file

- Open it in Word Pad

- Then you can print it from there

Free Canada Movement 2012

Educate yourself in order to create a better tomorrow

http://www.fcm2012.com


- Do you know about THE EVENT ?

- Are you prepared for THE EVENT ?

- Do you know that when THE EVENT happens, the banks will be closed; ATM and Credit Cards will NOT work.

Plus do you know anything about the following ?;

- BANKS are all owned by a criminal cartel

- BANKS are involved in drug trafficking

- INCOME TAX is ILLEGAL

- FLUORIDE is toxic waste in your water and toothpaste in order to kill you slowly

- CHEMTRAILS are sprayed to make the population very sick

- INOCULATION means any vaccines that you take are full of viruses in order to kill you slowly

If you want to learn more please go to Free Canada Movement site

http://www.fcm2012.com

Free Canada Movement 2012

Educate yourself in order to create a better tomorrow

http://www.fcm2012.com/print.html

I'm going to go down to my supermarket parking lot and hand these out. Should be very well received don't ya think?

Hi Grip, if you go down to any shopping area where most of the population goes to buy food and tell them the TRUTH about what is going on in the world, do you think they would believe you? If you told them all the lies the media come out with you would have more or less an easy time. What do you honestly think would be the right and correct message to give these people? Truthfully. To be fair with lady Dragon, she did not post this message at the supermarket my friend, she posted it on her website where people who are waking up to some degree are visiting her site through listening to Drake.

Stan

[Ishtar]

Most people that are yelling at everyone else to wake up are in that dream state where you're dreaming that you're awake.

Eventually, you wake up from the dream that you're awake.

Waking up is not a political act. It is a spiritual act.

[Ishtar]

We were discussing the difference between sorcery and shamanism further up the thread.

One definition of sorcery is to use the power of intention to impose your will upon others.

In this respect, using the power of your intention through meditation or visualisation to remove one old governing elite in order to replace it with the new governing elite of those asking you to do the meditation can be termed sorcery.

At the same time, by taking part in this Sunday meditation, we are losing our birthright to those wanting to harness our power to their own political agenda instead of using it ourselves for our own spiritual growth.

In this way, Drake, Cobra, Lady Dragon and anyone in this thread asking us to do this Sunday meditation are supporting a sorcerous agenda.

[9eagle9]

I don't 'grid' with people for obvious reasons, I'm not particularly enthralled at the thought of cording into the collective hive mind, but am entertaining the notion of letting the Nightmare loose to trot all over that particular meditation. That "I don't give a **** unless its my own quality' she has is sufficient to put a damper on that particular play-in-one's-own- **** activity. Her predilection for herding and correcting beings she perceives as in need of correction of course always gives me a giggle .


We were discussing the difference between sorcery and shamanism further up the thread.

One definition of sorcery is to use the power of intention to impose your will upon others.

In this respect, using the power of your intention through meditation or visualisation to remove one old governing elite in order to replace it with the new governing elite of those asking you to do the meditation can be termed sorcery.

At the same time, by taking part in this Sunday meditation, we are losing our birthright to those wanting to harness our power to their own political agenda instead of using it ourselves for our own spiritual growth.

In this way, Drake, Cobra, Lady Dragon and anyone in this thread asking us to do this Sunday meditation are supporting a sorcerous agenda.

[SilentFeathers]

We were discussing the difference between sorcery and shamanism further up the thread.

One definition of sorcery is to use the power of intention to impose your will upon others.

In this respect, using the power of your intention through meditation or visualisation to remove one old governing elite in order to replace it with the new governing elite of those asking you to do the meditation can be termed sorcery.

At the same time, by taking part in this Sunday meditation, we are losing our birthright to those wanting to harness our power to their own political agenda instead of using it ourselves for our own spiritual growth.

In this way, Drake, Cobra, Lady Dragon and anyone in this thread asking us to do this Sunday meditation are supporting a sorcerous agenda.

Did you go to your local church this morning? :)

[Ishtar]

We were discussing the difference between sorcery and shamanism further up the thread.

One definition of sorcery is to use the power of intention to impose your will upon others.

In this respect, using the power of your intention through meditation or visualisation to remove one old governing elite in order to replace it with the new governing elite of those asking you to do the meditation can be termed sorcery.

At the same time, by taking part in this Sunday meditation, we are losing our birthright to those wanting to harness our power to their own political agenda instead of using it ourselves for our own spiritual growth.

In this way, Drake, Cobra, Lady Dragon and anyone in this thread asking us to do this Sunday meditation are supporting a sorcerous agenda.

Did you go to your local church this morning? :)

No! ;) Certainly not. I gave up letting people harvest my energy in that way at about 10 years old, by leaving my local church where I used to attend three times a day on Sundays (and I used to read the gospels in bed every night, before falling asleep). One day, I saw the light, and just walked out, and never looked back. Mind you, I still stumbled around a bit after that, trying to give my power away for harvesting to various other cults, gurus and groups. It took me a long while to realise that I shouldn't do that, and so I do have some sympathy for those still caught up in it.

[Avocadess]

DRAKE will be giving updates on his Sunday Internet Radio Show today from 12:00 Noon through 3:00 p.m. Central Time. Here is a link:

http://alturl.com/553cj

To call in to speak with the host: (646) 716-4984

[Kelly]

People like Drake,
Will always be fake,
They need people to hang on their words,
But if people did not listen,
Then your eyes would not glisten,
With tears when you get let down some more,
If they did not have followers,
Then their words would not swallow us,
In lies designed on purpose,
To mislead and distract,
It is us who need to act,
And ignore their false facts,
And simply not feed them anymore.
It is your energy,
You are your own worst enemy,
You let them bleed you dry,
Pay no attention,
Don't be lead into detention,
By following words that are hollow,
Believe in only yourself,
Not promises of what may come tomorrow.

[Avocadess]

I listened to just a little last Wednesday and just a little now of Drake's radio show. I'm sorry, but for me the militia is just not the answer. When it comes down to the bottom line, I just don't like using guns or violence to stand up for what I believe in.

I'm still very interested in what Cobra and David Wilcock have to say, but I don't believe I'll be personally tuning in to Drake much anymore.

[foreverfan]

I listened to just a little last Wednesday and just a little now of Drake's radio show. I'm sorry, but for me the militia is just not the answer. When it comes down to the bottom line, I just don't like using guns or violence to stand up for what I believe in.

I'm still very interested in what Cobra and David Wilcock have to say, but I don't believe I'll be personally tuning in to Drake much anymore.

Sounds like the movement is fizzling or just starting.

Drake is basically saying that the good guys aren't coming. It's now or never and he is calling for everyone to get in touch with military/state militia/police/occupy movements/tea party groups to come together. The Obama rat patrol is outing the too many of Drake's good guys.

They want to take our guns away by way of the United Nations to get around the 2nd Amendment. He is calling for us to round up the treasonous bastards to be arrested. Drake is so mad that he's about to explode.

[Chester]

<< Yes, but until we have a way of determining the frauds/charlatans in various mystical fields how much use those experiences have to the average person who might consider partaking in them is very limited. The problem isn't that a shaman goes into a trance, receives a vision and then translates that to whomever they went in for. It's that there are so many people who can convincingly pretend to be Shamans and do all of the above that there's simply no way to take the experience for what it is. We're left constantly trying to figure out who's lying and who's not. This is why I say that process is important, to get to those subjective experiences we first need to be able to map out who is definitely NOT having them so that we can build greater trust in those who do.>>

The only real solution to this is to become our own shamans. That way we don't have to be so concerned about whether the experiences and statements of others are authentic or not.

I wouldn't want to place (nor accept) any label upon myself like "shaman" - especially since I have allowed an entity or two to inhabit "me" - but I have had numerous direct experiences with several psi related phenomena and have even developed the ability to create the environment from which clear, profound and obvious synchronicities arise which are observable by third parties.

In fact, I documented hundreds of psi experiences which included artifacts and 3rd party testimony, corroboration. I began that process in August of 2010 and completed my documentation process in January of 2012. I have shared some of these documents with third parties that have investigated psi phenomena and specifically the synchronicity phenomena. I have relationships with several folks who had been involved with the early remote viewing projects including Project Stargate.

What I found is that people can be divided into two clearly seperate camps. Those who are open minded about the possibility of psi phenomena being quite real (and amongst many of this group are those who have had direct experiences with psi phenomena) and the camp of those who are not open minded. Of the latter group, I have found the "non believers" if you will sometimes become aggressive with regards to when an experience is being shared with them. Also, I have found that those who fall within this latter group generally do not remain friends with those who are in the group of believers (of which also may be experiencers).

I have rarely found someone that sits on the fence.

When I was young I did not believe at all whatsoever in psi phenomena.

It took several experiences for me to open my mind to the phenomena. Once I did I had to struggle with messianic complex issues. Finally, I was able to emerge from the messianic complex to realize that the phenomena is real, that one must be careful as to how to interpret one's experiences and that likely everyone has the capability to experience psi phenomena and develop psychic capabilities.

justoneman

[9eagle9]

With caroming arseholes like Drake out of the way the militia may very well do what they have always represented, what they've trained to do , to step up to their purpose. Anyone who has dedicated themselves to that sort of thing isn't going to follow the directions of Drake (thank god) Wilcocks (thank God and his mother) and Fulford (Thank one's own common sense).







I listened to just a little last Wednesday and just a little now of Drake's radio show. I'm sorry, but for me the militia is just not the answer. When it comes down to the bottom line, I just don't like using guns or violence to stand up for what I believe in.

I'm still very interested in what Cobra and David Wilcock have to say, but I don't believe I'll be personally tuning in to Drake much anymore.

Sounds like the movement is fizzling. Drake is basically saying that the good guys aren't coming. It's now or never and he is calling for everyone to get in touch with state militia groups to come together. The Obama rat patrol is outing the too many of Drake's good guys.

They want to take out guns away with the United Nations. He is calling for us to round up the treasonous bastards to be arrested. Drake is so mad that he's about to explode.

[gripreaper]

I listened to just a little last Wednesday and just a little now of Drake's radio show. I'm sorry, but for me the militia is just not the answer. When it comes down to the bottom line, I just don't like using guns or violence to stand up for what I believe in.

I'm still very interested in what Cobra and David Wilcock have to say, but I don't believe I'll be personally tuning in to Drake much anymore.

Sounds like the movement is fizzling. Drake is basically saying that the good guys aren't coming. It's now or never and he is calling for everyone to get in touch with state militia groups to come together. The Obama rat patrol is outing the too many of Drake's good guys.

They want to take out guns away with the United Nations. He is calling for us to round up the treasonous bastards to be arrested. Drake is so mad that he's about to explode.

With caroming arseholes like Drake out of the way the militia may very well do what they have always represented, what they've trained to do , to step up to their purpose. Anyone who has dedicated themselves to that sort of thing isn't going to follow the directions of Drake (thank god) Wilcocks (thank God and his mother) and Fulford (Thank one's own common sense).

They could still do it without violence by calling a Constitutional Convention. More people would have to wake up first though or it could be co-opted just like everything else does.

[Ishtar]

The Charge Of The Light Brigade

by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Memorializing Events in the Battle of Balaclava, October 25, 1854
Written 1854

http://www.victorianweb.org/images/crimea/17lb.jpg

Half a league half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred:
'Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns' he said:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

'Forward, the Light Brigade!'
Was there a man dismay'd ?
Not tho' the soldier knew
Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do & die,
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volley'd & thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
Rode the six hundred.

Flash'd all their sabres bare,
Flash'd as they turn'd in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army while
All the world wonder'd:
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right thro' the line they broke;
Cossack & Russian
Reel'd from the sabre-stroke,
Shatter'd & sunder'd.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
While horse & hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro' the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.

When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wonder'd.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred!

[aranuk]

According to Drake today the Military are going to do nothing. I have my suspicions he is telling the truth. Without the help of the military I don't expect any quick change. The American people are not going to uprise against the establishment very easily. Maybe Gripreaper's idea is the only thing left? I don't think or feel that the people can do it on their own. Maybe Cobra and his friends can make the difference, however I wouldn't count on it. I do think ET's and ED's exist although I myself have never witnessed such.

Stan

[foreverfan]

http://images.esellerpro.com/2243/I/142/46/medscalepop-gun(1).JPG

[StarDust]

According to Drake today the Military are going to do nothing. I have my suspicions he is telling the truth. Without the help of the military I don't expect any quick change. The American people are not going to uprise against the establishment very easily. Maybe Gripreaper's idea is the only thing left? I don't think or feel that the people can do it on their own. Maybe Cobra and his friends can make the difference, however I wouldn't count on it. I do think ET's and ED's exist although I myself have never witnessed such.

Stan

Conversely, I have more faith in what the ET/EDs may do than the American people to enact a constitutional convention. There is simply very little will power here in the US amongst the vast populace that are unaware and unawake. The cabal has done an outstanding job here to ensure that the people here are docile by becoming seemingly content with their daily lives and captivated by reality tv shows and sporting events; not to mention buying the political system and media markets. With that said, I still have great faith that massive change is coming- regardless of whether or not Drake and others like him that are in the public eye are directly involved.

[Christine]

I listened to just a little last Wednesday and just a little now of Drake's radio show. I'm sorry, but for me the militia is just not the answer. When it comes down to the bottom line, I just don't like using guns or violence to stand up for what I believe in.

I'm still very interested in what Cobra and David Wilcock have to say, but I don't believe I'll be personally tuning in to Drake much anymore.

Thanks Avocadess,

It takes discernment and heart to say what you just said. I know many of us have been having the same difficulty in giving any credence to Drake for a long time now.

I want to thank you for starting this thread it has produced some of the more valuable current discussions on the PA forum. Maybe it is time we start some new threads out of the discussions started here.

Christine - La Tigra

[Ishtar]

.... I do think ET's and ED's exist although I myself have never witnessed such.

Stan

Conversely, I have more faith in what the ET/EDs may do than the American people to enact a constitutional convention....

The biggest success that psy-ops have had over the past few decades is the successful blurring of fact and fiction. This is because so many people spend their time watching fiction on screens that they can no longer tell the difference between what is real and what is Hollywood. Psy-ops were probably tipped off to how successful a strategy this would be when they saw the panicked reaction of the American people to the radio broadcast of HG Wells' War of the Worlds, narrated by Orson Wells, in 1938. And of course, it hasn't been difficult to get people to believe in a super-race of beings that they haven't so much as ever seen a photo of, who will bring their salvation from the heavens when for 2,000 years they had been brainwashed by religion to believe the exact same thing. God and the angels have just been replaced by ETs in this new religion that only requires your total and utter blind faith in the existence of these beings, which you have never seen, for entry into its hallowed portals for communion and absolution. No wonder they think we're stupid.

[Chester]

I listened to just a little last Wednesday and just a little now of Drake's radio show. I'm sorry, but for me the militia is just not the answer. When it comes down to the bottom line, I just don't like using guns or violence to stand up for what I believe in.

I'm still very interested in what Cobra and David Wilcock have to say, but I don't believe I'll be personally tuning in to Drake much anymore.

I knew you would come around (like I did). Sounds like you are being true to yourself. Good. justoneman

[foreverfan]

From DivineCosoms.com

O MASS ARREST BY MILITARY
THEY HAVE DECLARED THEMSELVES OBSOLETE!

Well what a let down, as per Drakes show, he has basically said the military are not going to do anything. the show then suddenly got cut off after 110 mins after him an Minuteman have called for malitia to go an arrest and "grab" people in the middle of the night. i would say Minute and Drake are going to get a visit from some people very soon an probably end up in cuffs or shot in a gun fight.

Well well well, the US military is now not stepping up to the plate, because they are so incompetent they cant even work out who is a patriot and on the side of good or who is in the dark, so they wont now do what they have been stating they will all along.

So my question is to you, WHAT GOOD ARE THEY? all they seem capable of is destruction! if they cant take positive action in anyway then they have OFFICIALLY DECLARED themselves obsolete and can now only be regarded as nothing more than a violent and destructive organisation, lol organised.

So now they are obsolete, they should only be used for logistic transportation of material and construction labourers nothing more.
For so long now, Drake an co have been saying the cavalry / military are on their way to take action an commence mass arrests but now they back off an say "nobody is coming to save you, you have to do it yourself" well thats a complete reversal. As for everybody doing it themselves, how do you think that is going to happen now then, because the only people who are in the know of this knowledge of what is really going on are people who have been aware for ages, all other public have no idea about this "unless the military take control of airwaves and play their videos" (like they said they would do.) so how are people meant to stand up an let the military know if they are completely unaware ?

This is a travesty on behalf of the military and now, the messengers, nothing you have been saying is going to happen, so the past months have been a waste of time for all listeners, it is obvious now it is all rumour / a lot of hot air and no evidence of action promised. thanks for wasting everyone time.

I wont say god help the world, or jesus save us because he a mythical man in with a white beard doesn't exist, and jesus wasn't a real man either in that context, the closet your come to him is Julius Cesar, it was all a lie but the roman cult.

So i would suggest everybody just ignore this nonsense now, and find a quite place off the grid and connect to the source by yourself an try to ascend due to the fact your so called cavalry is NOT coming, i would feel deceived an lied to an utterly disappointed if i were you Americans.

[Christine]

From DivineCosoms.com

O MASS ARREST BY MILITARY
THEY HAVE DECLARED THEMSELVES OBSOLETE!



Thanks foreverfan -

Could you clarify where on Divine Cosmos this is written? It isn't clear to me. Thanks.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

From DivineCosoms.com

O MASS ARREST BY MILITARY
THEY HAVE DECLARED THEMSELVES OBSOLETE!

Well what a let down, as per Drakes show, he has basically said the military are not going to do anything. the show then suddenly got cut off after 110 mins after him an Minuteman have called for malitia to go an arrest and "grab" people in the middle of the night. i would say Minute and Drake are going to get a visit from some people very soon an probably end up in cuffs or shot in a gun fight.

Well well well, the US military is now not stepping up to the plate, because they are so incompetent they cant even work out who is a patriot and on the side of good or who is in the dark, so they wont now do what they have been stating they will all along.

So my question is to you, WHAT GOOD ARE THEY? all they seem capable of is destruction! if they cant take positive action in anyway then they have OFFICIALLY DECLARED themselves obsolete and can now only be regarded as nothing more than a violent and destructive organisation, lol organised.

So now they are obsolete, they should only be used for logistic transportation of material and construction labourers nothing more.
For so long now, Drake an co have been saying the cavalry / military are on their way to take action an commence mass arrests but now they back off an say "nobody is coming to save you, you have to do it yourself" well thats a complete reversal. As for everybody doing it themselves, how do you think that is going to happen now then, because the only people who are in the know of this knowledge of what is really going on are people who have been aware for ages, all other public have no idea about this "unless the military take control of airwaves and play their videos" (like they said they would do.) so how are people meant to stand up an let the military know if they are completely unaware ?

This is a travesty on behalf of the military and now, the messengers, nothing you have been saying is going to happen, so the past months have been a waste of time for all listeners, it is obvious now it is all rumour / a lot of hot air and no evidence of action promised. thanks for wasting everyone time.

I wont say god help the world, or jesus save us because he a mythical man in with a white beard doesn't exist, and jesus wasn't a real man either in that context, the closet your come to him is Julius Cesar, it was all a lie but the roman cult.

So i would suggest everybody just ignore this nonsense now, and find a quite place off the grid and connect to the source by yourself an try to ascend due to the fact your so called cavalry is NOT coming, i would feel deceived an lied to an utterly disappointed if i were you Americans.

This has all been a puppet show. The military was never involved. Just a few people spinning fantasies on the internet. That is all it ever was.

[Fred Steeves]

i would feel deceived an lied to an utterly disappointed if i were you Americans.

Hey foreverfan, I voted a Bush for President four times, don't feel too bad...

[Zencat]

The latest from Drake on his FB page:


Our Government has declared WAR on We The People.
U.N. Small Arms Treaty in its basis is unconstitutional and NOT allowed to be legislated, or brought up for a vote.
>Vote against it or those who vote for it are committing an act of high treason.
Due to Inaction by our military, We The People are forming groups to work with the sheriff, FBI, etc., in order to free ourselves by arresting the bad guys.
T.P.P. Treaty, Law of The Sea Treaty, all unlawful presentations by those who would rule over us all.
>Our show was CUT OFF because we are taking on those in power.
Taking out the Church web sites because they disagreed with no freedom of religion.
No freedom of speech...
Small arms Treaty, no rights to guns...means no way to protect your family or against a government that is oppressive.
BTW- Citizens can make an arrest...
You decide what your freedom means to you, and what you are willing to spend on that freedom.
>GIT-R-DONE!<

He is basically asking people to go out and make citizen's arrests.

Methinks, this doesn't bode well for Drake's future in predicting events! :)

Whiskey_Mystic is right on the money. The US military never intended to be a part of this from the beginning.

[SilentFeathers]

Some people want to believe this stuff so much that they are now getting past the Drake thing and are falling into the Cobra Club so to speak, which I personally feel is even more ridiculous.

That's all I've got to say about it at the moment, now I shall return to my couch and the latest Sponge Bob episode......which is more interesting :)

[Hervé]

Taking the risk of repeating myself:


Youze peeps of all walks don't dig nuthing 'bout showbyzz... 'em guys are all faithful to thar sacrosanct sacred motto:


THE SHOW MUST GO ON !


AND ON
AND ON

AND ON...

[gripreaper]

Conversely, I have more faith in what the ET/EDs may do than the American people to enact a constitutional convention.

Faith? So the ET'/ED's are the new religion based on faith?


There is simply very little will power here in the US amongst the vast populace that are unaware and unawake. The cabal has done an outstanding job here to ensure that the people here are docile by becoming seemingly content with their daily lives and captivated by reality tv shows and sporting events; not to mention buying the political system and media markets.

I see you consider the populace fully docile then. You saying that these people wont wake up, or wont at some point get backed into a corner far enough to do something?


With that said, I still have great faith that massive change is coming- regardless of whether or not Drake and others like him that are in the public eye are directly involved.

So massive change will occur as a result of how the energies of the universe are resonating as above, so below, and it's a manifest destiny without any free will? Or are you saying, that it is the will of the ET/ED's and therefore it is destined by them to steer this "massive change"?

Or is it, the humans screws it up, and the ET's fix it using their social memory complex and their incarnation to help Gaia.

[Avocadess]

I'm on the email list for Drake's website and got an email that says that the show was "cut off" early today. They believe it was because they were calling for people to call the FBI and police and urge arrests and I think maybe also urging citizens' arrests.

July 15, 2012:

A new blog entry from COBRA today begins:

"Layers of Conspiracy

"At the core of the physical Cabal there is a group of 13 Archons that keep controlling our planet for the last 26,000 years. They are responsible for the fall of Atlantis, for the collapse of peaceful Goddess worshipping neolithic cultures 5000 years ago and for the destruction of the mystery schools in late antiquity. They are the ones that maintain the quarantine and keep humanity hostage so that the positive ETs could not intervene until now. They are mostly incarnated into key positions inside the Italian black nobility.

"Their leader was arrested in Rome on May 5th, removed from this planet and taken to the Galactic Central Sun immediately. He was the one that many members of the Cabal were worshipping in their distorted rituals, so now they are worshipping something that does not exist any longer."

Please see Cobra's website at http://2012portal.blogspot.com/ to read the read of today's blog entry.

[modwiz]

I listened to just a little last Wednesday and just a little now of Drake's radio show. I'm sorry, but for me the militia is just not the answer. When it comes down to the bottom line, I just don't like using guns or violence to stand up for what I believe in.

I'm still very interested in what Cobra and David Wilcock have to say, but I don't believe I'll be personally tuning in to Drake much anymore.

Guns don't have to be used to be effective. Just the sight of them often works miracles. It would be nice for the typical gun wielders to get a taste of their own tactics. Fear!.

[indigopete]

Their leader was arrested in Rome on May 5th, removed from this planet and taken to the Galactic Central Sun immediately

A kind of intergalactic "Starsky & Hutch" - I like the sound of that. Shame that event wasn't captured to DvD and put to some 70's funk guitar.

Seriously though, it's important that people on that level of wrongdoing be sent IMMEDIATELLY to Galactic Central Sun otherwise there's no chance of maintaining any sense of order in this place.

Welcome news indeed.

Pete

[gripreaper]

LADY DRAGON Chimes in. She calls Drake to get his comment on why he thinks his show was shut down: It's a about a two minute call.

http://www.fcm2012.com/RADIO/1507121.mp3

This just showed up on Lady Dragon's website. It's also posted on NESARA now too, but I don't know if Avocadee's has posted it to her site yet. There's a link on COBRA's website to the Avocadee's blog, she endorses COBRA but seems to be backing away from Drake.

Drake calls for ending Bohemian Grove gathering now plus on July 27 to arrest anyone that wants to removes your guns.

Drake and Minuteman are calling for everyone including citizens to start arresting everyone that want to remove your rights, your freedom and guns.

LadyDragon started with asking Drake about what to do with Bohemian Grove.

Drake said, it should not be allowed and to get at least 4 000 to 5 000 people and storm the place and stop these human sacrifices.

Then LadyDragon goes talking about the latest news

Click here to listen for the News of July 14, 2012 by LadyDragon

The major news are;

Congress Now Trying To Outlaw Reporting On Government Corruption

Congress To Vote On Declaration Of World War 3 — An Endless War With No Borders, No Clear Enemies

White House gives Homeland Security control of all communication systems

Homeland Security seeking assault and sniper rifles

Drake said if your looking for a White Knight look in the mirror theres your White Knight.

Rick Light also known as Minuteman is calling for the FBI, the Military and everyone including citizens to make arrest on July 27.

July 27 is the date that they want to pass a law to remove guns from the Americans and order to kill us and the survivors to becomes slaves.

Rick said it is time to stop the removal of our rights and freedom.

Place under arrest anyone that support

Rick is not calling for violence but for people to stand and take positive actions.

Time to place those people under arrest.

Drake is calling for Occupy , Unions everybody out there we have no time left.

It is time for actions.

Arrest everyone that has voted for the Homeland Security Act.

Arrest of Holder, Soros, both Clinton and the Bushes

It is very important that you listen to the radio show in order to understand the clear instructions from Minuteman and Drake.

LadyDragon is calling for everyone to have their cell phone , video recording equipment in order to live stream and document everything that will happen during every arrest that you do that you witness that are done.

Plus LadyDragon is calling for all factions of Anonymous to get involved and help as well as all the celebraties in Hollywood that knows what is going on like Rosanne Barr and Rosie O Donnell.

Please email your live streaming or any documentations to dragon@ladydragon.com

Everything needs to be documented so that everyone is inform about what is going on, LadyDragon as always will keep everyone inform with the REAL TRUTH as it comes.

Speaking of the truth, LadyDragon was writing this article and the show juts got shot down by BlogTalk Radio.

Obviously they do not want you to know what we are talking about.

We were able to save the show click here to download.

The show was shut down in middle when Minuteman was talking.

http://www.ladydragon.com/news2012/15071201.html

[gripreaper]

I'm on the email list for Drake's website and got an email that says that the show was "cut off" early today. They believe it was because they were calling for people to call the FBI and police and urge arrests and I think maybe also urging citizens' arrests.

July 15, 2012:

A new blog entry from COBRA today begins:

"Layers of Conspiracy

"At the core of the physical Cabal there is a group of 13 Archons that keep controlling our planet for the last 26,000 years. They are responsible for the fall of Atlantis, for the collapse of peaceful Goddess worshipping neolithic cultures 5000 years ago and for the destruction of the mystery schools in late antiquity. They are the ones that maintain the quarantine and keep humanity hostage so that the positive ETs could not intervene until now. They are mostly incarnated into key positions inside the Italian black nobility.

"Their leader was arrested in Rome on May 5th, removed from this planet and taken to the Galactic Central Sun immediately. He was the one that many members of the Cabal were worshipping in their distorted rituals, so now they are worshipping something that does not exist any longer."

Please see Cobra's website at http://2012portal.blogspot.com/ to read the read of today's blog entry.

Nice history lesson from COBRA. Those who are awake are already fully aware of this (see other threads on this site) and those that are asleep will not see it, or if they do, will think it is outrageous.

So, what is the point for COBRA to just do a history lesson?

[aranuk]

According to Drake today the Military are going to do nothing. I have my suspicions he is telling the truth. Without the help of the military I don't expect any quick change. The American people are not going to uprise against the establishment very easily. Maybe Gripreaper's idea is the only thing left? I don't think or feel that the people can do it on their own. Maybe Cobra and his friends can make the difference, however I wouldn't count on it. I do think ET's and ED's exist although I myself have never witnessed such.

Stan

Conversely, I have more faith in what the ET/EDs may do than the American people to enact a constitutional convention. There is simply very little will power here in the US amongst the vast populace that are unaware and unawake. The cabal has done an outstanding job here to ensure that the people here are docile by becoming seemingly content with their daily lives and captivated by reality tv shows and sporting events; not to mention buying the political system and media markets. With that said, I still have great faith that massive change is coming- regardless of whether or not Drake and others like him that are in the public eye are directly involved.

Where do you think the massive change is going to come from?

I wish I knew.

Stan

[Maunagarjana]

People like Drake,
Will always be fake,
They need people to hang on their words,
But if people did not listen,
Then your eyes would not glisten,
With tears when you get let down some more,
If they did not have followers,
Then their words would not swallow us,
In lies designed on purpose,
To mislead and distract,
It is us who need to act,
And ignore their false facts,
And simply not feed them anymore.
It is your energy,
You are your own worst enemy,
You let them bleed you dry,
Pay no attention,
Don't be lead into detention,
By following words that are hollow,
Believe in only yourself,
Not promises of what may come tomorrow.

I never lost a dime listening to Drake
My energy is fine, so give me a break
There are many things happening behind the scenes
Haven't you heard of the Neil Keenan liens?
Every avenue must be fully explored
I'll listen to anyone who wants to move forward
You rugged individualists are determined to fail
Because it takes coordination for any ship to sail
Drake's just a guy who is part of a crew
If anything happens, it'll be in spite of you
So go ahead, spit venom and fling your turd
But if you're wrong I'll make sure you eat every damned word

[Unified Serenity]

So go ahead, spit venom and fling your turd

I think you are spitting and biting enough for all of us. Have a wonderful weekend in the land of oz... and I am not referring to down under.

Love and light.... :D

Serenity always

[Unified Serenity]

Funny, I just signed onto my facebook page and this was posted by a friend.... lmao.... cookies anyone? smirks

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=364838670256363&set=o.183350515034304&type=1&ref=nfhttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/481896_364838670256363_1752204342_n.jpg

[Bill Ryan]

So go ahead, spit venom and fling your turd
But if you're wrong I'll make sure you eat every damned word

There once was a hero called Drake
Whose brave words made many men quake.
Many believed him
But when all sense relieved him
He was quickly exposed as a fake.

The problem was always like that.
Was he really some kind of a rat?
To conspiracy nerds,
DRAKE is eating his words,
And Bill Ryan's NOT eating his hat.

:)

[Christine]

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you all...

[Unified Serenity]

Here's one more, and the logic hits me as pretty funny.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/487364_10150914128845563_341805953_n.jpg

[Unified Serenity]

So go ahead, spit venom and fling your turd
But if you're wrong I'll make sure you eat every damned word

There once was a hero called Drake
Whose inspired words made many men quake.
Many believed him
But when all sense relieved him
He was quickly exposed as a fake.

The problem was always like that.
Was he really some kind of a rat?
To conspiracy nerds,
DRAKE is eating his words,
And Bill Ryan's NOT eating his hat.

:)

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/182137_444987202200892_632073214_n.jpg

[gripreaper]

Here's one more, and the logic hits me as pretty funny.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/487364_10150914128845563_341805953_n.jpg

I dunno. This person is not going to make a very good slave.

http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp215/ylva51/cats%20funny/d015b563.gif

[RunningDeer]

i would feel deceived an lied to an utterly disappointed if i were you Americans.

Hey foreverfan, I voted a Bush for President four times, don't feel too bad...

http://www.pic4ever.com/images/computer3.gif Oh, so you're the one that's caused all this mess.
You can run...but you can't hide. I'm watching you... Mr. Fred.
http://www.gif-picture.com/H/helicopter/gif-pict-helicopter-11.gif

[Christine]

i would feel deceived an lied to an utterly disappointed if i were you Americans.

Hey foreverfan, I voted a Bush for President four times, don't feel too bad...

http://www.pic4ever.com/images/computer3.gif Oh, so you're the one that's caused all this mess.
You can run...but you can't hide. I'm watching you... Mr. Fred.
http://www.gif-picture.com/H/helicopter/gif-pict-helicopter-11.gif

We are all watching you Mr. Steeves........

http://images2.layoutsparks.com/1/250889/watching-you-eyes-stare.jpg

[Unified Serenity]

I'm not jealous Fred, I hear the voices now too.... LOL

[aranuk]

Laugh and joke and ridicule as much as you like on your way to the FEMA camps. Just because Drake was a stooge for the cabal doesn't mean you guys are not going to suffer a wee bit. So Mr Ryan what do you suggest next? All American citizens pack up their belongings and take the next boat to South America and hide? Why not offer a sensible alternative to the plight of the people in USA? I certainly know that I don't know. However I am open to sensible suggestions myself.


Stan

[Hervé]

[...]

However I am open to sensible suggestions myself.


Stan

Thank you Stan for sharing your step of great improvement.

The caveat is that these suggestions may be coming from another professional hypnotist... :)

[RunningDeer]

Hey foreverfan, I voted a Bush for President four times, don't feel too bad...

http://www.pic4ever.com/images/computer3.gif Oh, so you're the one that's caused all this mess.
You can run...but you can't hide. I'm watching you... Mr. Fred.


We are all watching you Mr. Steeves........



See Fred peddle. Peddle. Peddle. Peddle.
See Fred ride. Ride. Ride. Ride.

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/4b4ce3ba872a0300x160.gif

[aranuk]

[...]

However I am open to sensible suggestions myself.


Stan

Thank you Stan for sharing your step of great improvement.

The caveat is that these suggestions may be coming from another professional hypnotist... :)

So then, what do you offer as a solution?

Stan

[Bill Ryan]

-------

For all who have not yet seen this, this is compulsory. :)

http://meemsy.com/v/2736

DRAKE 4th OF JULY GREEN LIGHT DOES NOT HAPPEN

(a couple of screenshots from this very brilliant 4 minute video made by our own gripreaper...)

http://projectavalon.net/Meemsy_1.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Meemsy_2.jpg

[aranuk]

[...]

However I am open to sensible suggestions myself.


Stan

Thank you Stan for sharing your step of great improvement.

The caveat is that these suggestions may be coming from another professional hypnotist... :)

With all respect in your direction Sir, I did NOT share ANY step for improvement at all. I made it very clear that I did NOT know but I am willing to listen to ANY sort of solution. Please don't be so sarcastic and try to ridicule me.


Stan

[RunningDeer]

Laugh and joke and ridicule as much as you like on your way to the FEMA camps. Just because Drake was a stooge for the cabal doesn't mean you guys are not going to suffer a wee bit. So Mr Ryan what do you suggest next? All American citizens pack up their belongings and take the next boat to South America and hide? Why not offer a sensible alternative to the plight of the people in USA? I certainly know that I don't know. However I am open to sensible suggestions myself.

Stan

I'm sorry, Stan. I agree with the points you raise. Sometimes when I'm feeling overwhelmed, I get into that comic relief place to diffuse the built up energy.

The FEMA camps are what scare me the most. The idea of being confined or controlled makes me think that I'd rather not be around. It's embarrassing to admit this because I consider myself a gutsy person. I'm a work in progress...

Peace Stan, http://www.pic4ever.com/images/grouphugg.gif
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[Christine]

Laugh and joke and ridicule as much as you like on your way to the FEMA camps. Just because Drake was a stooge for the cabal doesn't mean you guys are not going to suffer a wee bit. So Mr Ryan what do you suggest next? All American citizens pack up their belongings and take the next boat to South America and hide? Why not offer a sensible alternative to the plight of the people in USA? I certainly know that I don't know. However I am open to sensible suggestions myself.


Stan

Stan,

I know it is hard to laugh when the stakes are so high, but laughter is exactly what we need right now. Really it is the most sensible thing I can think of at this moment. It breaks apart fear, it takes down self importance, seriousness is lifted and sight returns, our insides love it, our friends love it, and we can all in-joy something together.

Do you really think that all these folks here on Project Avalon don't take the state of our world seriously? It is BECAUSE they do that we are having this moment together.

And since I live in South America and have spoken with Bill Ryan about why he is here I feel I can speak a bit for him. He isn't in hiding, he didn't particularly want to leave the US, he is not afraid, he is doing what he feels he must to preserve all the ground we have gained in bringing the Light to this planet and unveiling the macabre cabal. He pretty much works ceaselessly behind the scenes to bring about the real change we need.

:grouphug:

There are lots of sensible and very serious threads on Project Avalon that are making real headway into what we can actually do, it sucks to feel disempowered but at least together we have a chance.

La Tigra

[Bill Ryan]

-------

Oh, Dear. Stan -- relax just a moment and laugh with everyone else. God knows we need it. :)

Of course serious solutions are needed. We've all just come to realize -- Avocadess included, to her great credit -- that Drake's answer is not the one.

[Hervé]

[...]

However I am open to sensible suggestions myself.


Stan

Thank you Stan for sharing your step of great improvement.

The caveat is that these suggestions may be coming from another professional hypnotist... :)

With all respect in your direction Sir, I did NOT share ANY step for improvement at all. I made it very clear that I did NOT know but I am willing to listen to ANY sort of solution. Please don't be so sarcastic and try to ridicule me.


Stan

Apologies good sir, I may have misunderstood your usage of the word "sensible" and took it as meaning: 6 having or showing good sense or sound judgment; intelligent, reasonnable, wise (Random House, college Ed.)

Since you have been following this thread, I have open my (not so) big mouthy keyboard to advocate the only two things that can constitutionally be done:


[...]

Cool data 000!

That's actually the only way the so-called "Federal Reserve" can be taken out since Congress has been rendered useless:


According to Section 4, part 2 of the Federal Reserve Act, 1913, it says of each of the 12 privately owned Federal Reserve Banks:

“To have succession for a period of twenty years from its organization unless it is sooner dissolved by an Act of Congress, or unless its franchise becomes forfeited by some violation of law.“

Since the Federal Reserve Board’s site (http://federalreserve.gov/) shows that all 12 original Federal Reserve Banks are still in operation, their 20-year charter must have been extended.

A 20-year charter was also granted to the First and Second Banks of the United States, and both had their charter terminated. Yes, there was a time when privately owned central banks had time-limited charters, and for good reason, due to the havoc they caused.

12 U.S.C. § 341 : US Code – Section 341 (http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/12/3/IX/341): General enumeration of powers shows:

“Second. To have succession after February 25, 1927, until dissolved by Act of Congress or until forfeiture of franchise for violation of law.“

Again, since the Federal Reserve Board’s site shows that all 12 original Federal Reserve Banks are still in operation, this provision was either changed with some other time limit, or was never changed.

In fact, it was never changed, and, therefore, their charter doesn’t expire in 2012, and there was never a 99-year charter for the Federal Reserve.

From: http://fauxcapitalist.com/2012/04/21...xpire-in-2012/ (http://fauxcapitalist.com/2012/04/21/the-federal-reserves-non-existent-99-year-charter-set-to-expire-in-2012/)



... which Wilcock and Drake jump onto via the liens despite having nothing to do in initiating those.

...and:



[...]

... it better not be about an Article 5 Convention, although that is the only remedy our forefathers put into the Constitution to remedy this situation. This "posits" an alert and involved electorate though, and that is not what we have. I'm scared sh1tless of the Article 5 Convention with the awareness of the electorate we have now.

Well, it is... but in a more structured way than the way Drake puts it... which might even be an attempt by the latter to derail what the former is doing.

Brooks Agnew knows what he talking about, Drake doesn't as he is being fed infos/disinfos.

There... a few of my centimes.

[gripreaper]

-------

For all who have not yet seen this, this is compulsory. :)

http://meemsy.com/v/2736

DRAKE 4th OF JULY GREEN LIGHT DOES NOT HAPPEN

(a couple of screenshots from this very brilliant 4 minute video made by our own gripreaper...)

http://projectavalon.net/Meemsy_1.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Meemsy_2.jpg

I guess I'm busted for doing this one too!

http://meemsy.com/v/2650

[Bill Ryan]

I guess I'm busted for doing this one too!

http://meemsy.com/v/2650


Wonderful. Folks, this is even better than the first one. :)

[Dennis Leahy]

The biggest success that psy-ops have had over the past few decades is the successful blurring of fact and fiction. This is because so many people spend their time watching fiction on screens that they can no longer tell the difference between what is real and what is Hollywood. Psy-ops were probably tipped off to how successful a strategy this would be when they saw the panicked reaction of the American people to the radio broadcast of HG Wells' War of the Worlds, narrated by Orson Wells, in 1938. And of course, it hasn't been difficult to get people to believe in a super-race of beings that they haven't so much as ever seen a photo of, who will bring their salvation from the heavens when for 2,000 years they had been brainwashed by religion to believe the exact same thing. God and the angels have just been replaced by ETs in this new religion that only requires your total and utter blind faith in the existence of these beings, which you have never seen, for entry into its hallowed portals for communion and absolution. No wonder they think we're stupid.Sorry, but IMO, this is a silly reaction/rationalization.

I'll stick with the very first words I said after listening to the first broadcast by Drake, (something like) "I am convinced he is convinced." I still believe that ON THAT DAY, Drake would have passed a polygraph. He was not lying - he was duped. Duped by whom? Black-ops psy-ops guys? Way back channel, maybe, but Drake himself was convinced by whomever he was talking to, and more than likely, that meant that whomever he was talking to believed it too.

Have any of you ever been on stage? Any idea how difficult it would have been for Drake to go into character and speak the words he did, deliver the words the way he did, as an actor delivering rehearsed psy-ops lines? That's by far the LEAST likely scenario. Drake making it all up for attention is the second least likely scenario.

You really think an actor delivering psy-ops lines would flip out the way he did over a post made on Avalon? Wasn't that obvious that you were dealing with a single personality at that point?

"No wonder they think we're stupid."

No, we ARE stupid if we think for one minute this was a psy-op plan. Jesus H Christ, can't we recognize a regular, ordinary, flawed, human - just like us - when we meet one?

The most likely scenario (remember Occam's Razor, anyone?) is that there really was a plan, for decades, within some military personnel. Seems likely to me that thousands of military members watched JFK's head go back and to the left and watched the Joint Chiefs and the President lie - and the military guys couldn't do a damn thing about it. It probably festered for years in many military personnel's minds as the sickeningly phony story was repeated over and over.

In fact, I would have a very difficult time believing that no one had a plan to take out the rotten apples from the inside. I personally know an idiot that dedicated nearly three years to The Reset Button, a different plan to take out the rotten apples (well, the whole damn orchard, really), so I know there are people who will step up and create a plan. And, I know what it's like when people would rather watch reality TV, argue over Democrats and Republicans, or hold up signs saying "Jail the Bankers!" rather than even consider supporting or even signing a different plan that actually could work.

I stopped listening to Drake when his train went off the rails (Avalon freakout/second show?), so I don't know how crazy he got - but he probably got pretty crazy. Imagine if you believed in this plan for years and years, expected cooperation and cheers from citizens, and had to live through the plan's fizzle - imagine how heartbroken and angry you would be.

Still think he's a psy-ops guy? A liar?

Drake is a tragic character. A patriot ready to die trying to get the rotten scum out of the US government and the nefarious corporations. It didn't work. The plan did not materialize. Like I said, I suspect he went crazy as the plan fell apart and as he got no help and massive doses of ridicule. Does it appear to you that he has gone a bit (or a lot) crazy? And you're still poking the crazy guy with sticks? What does that say about YOU, dear reader?

So, may I respectfully recommend that people stop kicking and spitting on the guy
laying on the sidewalk. He tried. He failed. Oh, and don't worry, no one else is going to try, so you can put the slings and arrows back in the gun safe.

Dennis

p.s. Avocadess, as the OP, maybe this is a good time to request this thread be closed.

[foreverfan]

People like Drake,
Will always be fake,
They need people to hang on their words,
But if people did not listen,
Then your eyes would not glisten,
With tears when you get let down some more,
If they did not have followers,
Then their words would not swallow us,
In lies designed on purpose,
To mislead and distract,
It is us who need to act,
And ignore their false facts,
And simply not feed them anymore.
It is your energy,
You are your own worst enemy,
You let them bleed you dry,
Pay no attention,
Don't be lead into detention,
By following words that are hollow,
Believe in only yourself,
Not promises of what may come tomorrow.

I never lost a dime listening to Drake
My energy is fine, so give me a break
There are many things happening behind the scenes
Haven't you heard of the Neil Keenan liens?
Every avenue must be fully explored
I'll listen to anyone who wants to move forward
You rugged individualists are determined to fail
Because it takes coordination for any ship to sail
Drake's just a guy who is part of a crew
If anything happens, it'll be in spite of you
So go ahead, spit venom and fling your turd
But if you're wrong I'll make sure you eat every damned word

Wait... nobody said it's over yet.

There's part II of the show tomorrow. This is just getting interesting. Anything can still happen. Drake says that over 3 million armed militia massed to take action on July 27. I wouldn't close the thread just yet since it will die on it's own soon enough.

Dare I say that Drake could actually be putting out false information to trick us today?
:popcorn:


Drake Sunday Part 2 - Call to Action (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/global-voice-2012-radio-network/2012/07/17/drake-sunday-part-2)
Mon, July 16, 2012 07:00PM




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRzLUNApJO0

[Bill Ryan]

The biggest success that psy-ops have had over the past few decades is the successful blurring of fact and fiction. This is because so many people spend their time watching fiction on screens that they can no longer tell the difference between what is real and what is Hollywood. Psy-ops were probably tipped off to how successful a strategy this would be when they saw the panicked reaction of the American people to the radio broadcast of HG Wells' War of the Worlds, narrated by Orson Wells, in 1938. And of course, it hasn't been difficult to get people to believe in a super-race of beings that they haven't so much as ever seen a photo of, who will bring their salvation from the heavens when for 2,000 years they had been brainwashed by religion to believe the exact same thing. God and the angels have just been replaced by ETs in this new religion that only requires your total and utter blind faith in the existence of these beings, which you have never seen, for entry into its hallowed portals for communion and absolution. No wonder they think we're stupid.Sorry, but IMO, this is a silly reaction/rationalization.

I'll stick with the very first words I said after listening to the first broadcast by Drake, (something like) "I am convinced he is convinced." I still believe that ON THAT DAY, Drake would have passed a polygraph. He was not lying - he was duped. Duped by whom? Black-ops psy-ops guys? Way back channel, maybe, but Drake himself was convinced by whomever he was talking to, and more than likely, that meant that whomever he was talking to believed it too.

Have any of you ever been on stage? Any idea how difficult it would have been for Drake to go into character and speak the words he did, deliver the words the way he did, as an actor delivering rehearsed psy-ops lines? That's by far the LEAST likely scenario. Drake making it all up for attention is the second least likely scenario.

You really think an actor delivering psy-ops lines would flip out the way he did over a post made on Avalon? Wasn't that obvious that you were dealing with a single personality at that point?

"No wonder they think we're stupid."

No, we ARE stupid if we think for one minute this was a psy-op plan. Jesus H Christ, can't we recognize a regular, ordinary, flawed, human - just like us - when we meet one?

The most likely scenario (remember Occam's Razor, anyone?) is that there really was a plan, for decades, within some military personnel. Seems likely to me that thousands of military members watched JFK's head go back and to the left and watched the Joint Chiefs and the President lie - and the military guys couldn't do a damn thing about it. It probably festered for years in many military personnel's minds as the sickeningly phony story was repeated over and over.

In fact, I would have a very difficult time believing that no one had a plan to take out the rotten apples from the inside. I personally know an idiot that dedicated nearly three years to The Reset Button, a different plan to take out the rotten apples (well, the whole damn orchard, really), so I know there are people who will step up and create a plan. And, I know what it's like when people would rather watch reality TV, argue over Democrats and Republicans, or hold up signs saying "Jail the Bankers!" rather than even consider supporting or even signing a different plan that actually could work.

I stopped listening to Drake when his train went off the rails (Avalon freakout/second show?), so I don't know how crazy he got - but he probably got pretty crazy. Imagine if you believed in this plan for years and years, expected cooperation and cheers from citizens, and had to live through the plan's fizzle - imagine how heartbroken and angry you would be.

Still think he's a psy-ops guy? A liar?

Drake is a tragic character. A patriot ready to die trying to get the rotten scum out of the US government and the nefarious corporations. It didn't work. The plan did not materialize. Like I said, I suspect he went crazy as the plan fell apart and as he got no help and massive doses of ridicule. Does it appear to you that he has gone a bit (or a lot) crazy? And you're still poking the crazy guy with sticks? What does that say about YOU, dear reader?

So, may I respectfully recommend that people stop kicking and spitting on the guy
laying on the sidewalk. He tried. He failed. Oh, and don't worry, no one else is going to try, so you can put the slings and arrows back in the gun safe.

Dennis

p.s. Avocadess, as the OP, maybe this is a good time to request this thread be closed.

Dennis, this is a magnificent post that does you credit. It made me stop and think for a while.

You're quite right, of course. The real phenomenon is wider and deeper.

What frustrated me was not that one person was standing up and saying something loudly and defiantly that was self-evidently nonsensical (and, equally evidently according to foreverfan above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more&p=522090&viewfull=1#post522090), is continuing).

It was that researchers who are experienced enough to know better supported him and elevated him to 15 minutes of stardom -- and that so many people wasted so much time believing yet another false prophet.

It was like a kind of slow-motion tragi-comedy that could never end well... and Drake, of course, is the fall guy. I agree: I'm sure he was sincere. I also agree with you (I suspect) that what this all really is is a sad reflection on the state of the entire alternative media.

How gullible are we? How smart are we at real research? Real understanding of the actual mechanisms in play?

I sometimes think we were doing rather better ten years ago, when not so many people were awake... but a far greater proportion of those awakening were looking in the right directions.

[Christine]

The biggest success that psy-ops have had over the past few decades is the successful blurring of fact and fiction. This is because so many people spend their time watching fiction on screens that they can no longer tell the difference between what is real and what is Hollywood. Psy-ops were probably tipped off to how successful a strategy this would be when they saw the panicked reaction of the American people to the radio broadcast of HG Wells' War of the Worlds, narrated by Orson Wells, in 1938. And of course, it hasn't been difficult to get people to believe in a super-race of beings that they haven't so much as ever seen a photo of, who will bring their salvation from the heavens when for 2,000 years they had been brainwashed by religion to believe the exact same thing. God and the angels have just been replaced by ETs in this new religion that only requires your total and utter blind faith in the existence of these beings, which you have never seen, for entry into its hallowed portals for communion and absolution. No wonder they think we're stupid.Sorry, but IMO, this is a silly reaction/rationalization.

I'll stick with the very first words I said after listening to the first broadcast by Drake, (something like) "I am convinced he is convinced." I still believe that ON THAT DAY, Drake would have passed a polygraph. He was not lying - he was duped. Duped by whom? Black-ops psy-ops guys? Way back channel, maybe, but Drake himself was convinced by whomever he was talking to, and more than likely, that meant that whomever he was talking to believed it too.

Have any of you ever been on stage? Any idea how difficult it would have been for Drake to go into character and speak the words he did, deliver the words the way he did, as an actor delivering rehearsed psy-ops lines? That's by far the LEAST likely scenario. Drake making it all up for attention is the second least likely scenario.

You really think an actor delivering psy-ops lines would flip out the way he did over a post made on Avalon? Wasn't that obvious that you were dealing with a single personality at that point?

"No wonder they think we're stupid."

No, we ARE stupid if we think for one minute this was a psy-op plan. Jesus H Christ, can't we recognize a regular, ordinary, flawed, human - just like us - when we meet one?

The most likely scenario (remember Occam's Razor, anyone?) is that there really was a plan, for decades, within some military personnel. Seems likely to me that thousands of military members watched JFK's head go back and to the left and watched the Joint Chiefs and the President lie - and the military guys couldn't do a damn thing about it. It probably festered for years in many military personnel's minds as the sickeningly phony story was repeated over and over.

In fact, I would have a very difficult time believing that no one had a plan to take out the rotten apples from the inside. I personally know an idiot that dedicated nearly three years to The Reset Button, a different plan to take out the rotten apples (well, the whole damn orchard, really), so I know there are people who will step up and create a plan. And, I know what it's like when people would rather watch reality TV, argue over Democrats and Republicans, or hold up signs saying "Jail the Bankers!" rather than even consider supporting or even signing a different plan that actually could work.

I stopped listening to Drake when his train went off the rails (Avalon freakout/second show?), so I don't know how crazy he got - but he probably got pretty crazy. Imagine if you believed in this plan for years and years, expected cooperation and cheers from citizens, and had to live through the plan's fizzle - imagine how heartbroken and angry you would be.

Still think he's a psy-ops guy? A liar?

Drake is a tragic character. A patriot ready to die trying to get the rotten scum out of the US government and the nefarious corporations. It didn't work. The plan did not materialize. Like I said, I suspect he went crazy as the plan fell apart and as he got no help and massive doses of ridicule. Does it appear to you that he has gone a bit (or a lot) crazy? And you're still poking the crazy guy with sticks? What does that say about YOU, dear reader?

So, may I respectfully recommend that people stop kicking and spitting on the guy
laying on the sidewalk. He tried. He failed. Oh, and don't worry, no one else is going to try, so you can put the slings and arrows back in the gun safe.

Dennis

p.s. Avocadess, as the OP, maybe this is a good time to request this thread be closed.

Thank you Dennis,

We can only imagine what Drake went through really. What was difficult to watch was the huge diversion of energy this created by capturing the thoughts, prayers and hopes of many, many dedicated good hearted truth seekers and patriots. In that lies the deception and his responsibility no matter whether we empathize with him or not.

I do believe your point is well taken though and this thread has run its course. There is no victory here on either side - perhaps we all are just a little wiser and if we learned something then perhaps this wasn't a waste after all.

Thanks for your post.

La Tigra - Christine

[gripreaper]

Yes Dennis, it is good to put ourselves in Drakes shoes and show some empathy.

I have tried to put myself in Leroy Schweitzer’s shoes who just died in prison from the Montana freemen incident 30 years ago, or David Koresh and the 83 souls who were burned at the stake in Waco Texas, or Randy weaver’s wife who was shot in the head on her front porch while she held her infant child in her arms, or the daycare full of children who died in Oklahoma City, or William Cooper shot in cold blood on his front porch for speaking out, or Jerry and Joe Kane gunned down in a parking lot for taking the truth out onto the seminar circuit to help people save their homes and become sovereign, or Billy Faust shot and killed because he was part of the Arizona assemblies. I’ve tried to put myself in the shoes of Irwin Schiff and David Myrland who are still in jail and fighting to be free. Or Phil Schneider choked with a rubber hose for telling us the truth about the black ops. For thirty years now, there have been many who have come forward and risked their lives and paid the ultimate price.

There have also been many who have jumped on the bandwagon to sell snake oil while people were at their most vulnerable, selling them sovereign paperwork and get a free house seminars, and these are too numerous to mention. Every week there is a new game in town on how to extricate from the system and how to tap into your estate trust and eliminate your debt and get free from slavery.

Some of these have helped people. Jesse and the guys at “what lies in your debt” have been kicking it and there are many people who help each other in their blogs and message boards and on talkshoe. For thirty years guys like Howard Griswold, Gus Blackstone, Carl Miller, Winston Shrout, Jean Keating and others have spoken the truth and taught people how to win in court and how to stand up for their rights.

Yet, the starkest example of how the system has failed is with the farm claims, which took 30 years and went all the way to the United States Supreme Court, got a favorable ruling, were awarded damages, and yet, these poor farmers have never collected or received just compensation, not a single dime or any restoration of their property.

So, what’s my point? Some of us are tired and are leery of charlatans. If you go back to my first comments in this thread you will see I have tried to point out the fallacies in this whole Drake scenario, based on lawful understanding, proper administrative and judicial procedure, and proper protocol. You can’t just incite people and claim that the military is going to back some sovereign paperwork because a private “notice” was sent to a world organization. I tried to explain that these notices and liens were not enforceable. I’ve tried to explain the Constitutional Convention as the only provision available to remove tyranny. I’ve tried to be reasonable. I’ve tried to discourage the notion that people should take up arms and attempt to take down the cabal themselves.

Many times this thread has discussed what can be done, which always boils down to what each of us can do at home and in our communities, decentralizing our needs and our local governments. That’s where it starts. You and I have had discussions about the “bottom up” as well as the “top down” approaches. I was as disappointed as anyone that your Reset Button got so little play. Yet there are discussions all over this forum about what can be done, the least of which is this thread.

Did I go off track occasionally? Sure I did, I’m human. I’m sick and tired of people being led astray. I also am tired of trying to reinvent the wheel and go back to some assumed time in the past where we allegedly had freedom and sovereignty. We haven’t. We need a NEW paradigm based on abundance, not scarcity. We need an awake and aware electorate who gives a sh!t about the future, who even recognizes that there is a problem. So in that regard, Drake got many people thinking and riled up.

Do I have hope and do I believe in humanity? Yes, I still do. This is all much bigger than us. Drake is just one voice crying in the wilderness. Some of us heard the good points he made, while we recognized the points he was off base on. That does not negate the intention of the man any more that it does those listed in the first paragraph of this post. Let us take this moment to honor those who have gone before us, and be diligent and do the things we can in our own backyards. We stand on their shoulders, so that they did not die in vain. We must keep the discourse alive, keep it as civil as possible, and keep talking to everyone we meet. It is up to us to awaken our neighbors. I just don’t think we are there yet as a collective, but I do see changes. The changes do not happen as fast as I would like, but it’s not my timing to predict when things will finally break loose, but break they will.

One day they will.

[NancyV]

I still think Drake was lying about many things. He was too certain that 90% of the military supported the mass arrests, that the ET's were helping, that millions of militia were ready to act on his command. He made too many statements about different things that were going to happen that he couldn't have possibly known were true, because so far they've all been wrong. I think he's a LIAR.

That doesn't mean I don't have empathy for him just as I do for anyone who might be a fool OR a liar. Although I have empathy for his stupidity and lies that doesn't mean I will pretend that he was just a fool and a patsy and feel sorry for him. He is entirely responsible for his own mistakes and for leading many people to believe his crap. If he wasn't SURE about his so called Intel then he is even more to blame for leading everyone on with no actual knowledge of what he was saying.

It isn't over yet. He's STILL lying and the game is still afoot. Hopefully it will die with a whimper and not with his arrest for promoting a violent uprising.

[gripreaper]

OK, everybody out of the pool.

http://www.clipaday.com/videos/jacuzzi-lifeguard-jim-carrey-will-ferrell-

[StarDust]

Conversely, I have more faith in what the ET/EDs may do than the American people to enact a constitutional convention.

Faith? So the ET'/ED's are the new religion based on faith?

Who said anything about religion? I am not and never have been religious and thus your frame of reference is foreign to me. Faith is also synonymous for belief, trust, confidence and credence among others.



There is simply very little will power here in the US amongst the vast populace that are unaware and unawake. The cabal has done an outstanding job here to ensure that the people here are docile by becoming seemingly content with their daily lives and captivated by reality tv shows and sporting events; not to mention buying the political system and media markets.

I see you consider the populace fully docile then. You saying that these people wont wake up, or wont at some point get backed into a corner far enough to do something?

I am only speaking within the context of the present day and only to the extent that the majority (but not all) of the populace appears docile. From my perspective it is a fact that the vibratory frequency of the planet is rising via energies that are being directed from the galactic center; this will have an effect upon the entire populace in time as Gaia undergoes a massive expansion of consciousness.

http://consciouslifenews.com/scientific-proof-galactic-energies-triggered-worldwide-consciousness-expansion/114819/

With that said, I cannot speak for what an individual may or may not do in the near future. However, this process will only permit life resonating at certain frequencies or higher to exist within Gaia's realm; so in this sense, the lower vibratory frequencies will no longer be permitted to exist here. This is a simple matter of physics and is not something that is optional if a being wishes to exist here in the not so distant future.



With that said, I still have great faith that massive change is coming- regardless of whether or not Drake and others like him that are in the public eye are directly involved.

So massive change will occur as a result of how the energies of the universe are resonating as above, so below, and it's a manifest destiny without any free will? Or are you saying, that it is the will of the ET/ED's and therefore it is destined by them to steer this "massive change"?

Yes, as I understand it, the vibratory frequency of this entire sector of space (including Gaia) is increasing and is part of the great cosmic 26,000 (approx.) year cycle and is mandated by agreement between Gaia and Source.

The ET/Ds are here to assist as per the request of Gaia/Source. Although it may appear to some that we are meddling in the affairs of terrans, this is simply not so. We were asked to come here to assist. Many of us answered the call to service and thus we are here helping even if the overall goal is not apparent to most.

On thing I find interesting about terrans is their belief that "free will" is some sort of spiritual trump card. Although free will is important to permit Source to experience Source, it is also important to understand that there are much larger forces at work here. As Spock once said, "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or one." This understanding should be broadly applied to what is happening to Gaia at this time.


Or is it, the humans screws it up, and the ET's fix it using their social memory complex and their incarnation to help Gaia.

I can only speak for this entity who volunteered to incarnate to assist Gaia. The process of anchoring light energies to Gaia's grid has nothing to do with "humans screw[ing] it up"; or anything along those lines. It's more like a very crafty way of circumventing and dismantling the control grid that the archons by way of the drako & hydra reptilians have had in place for millennia. The end result will be to aid humanity by restoring freedom in ways that have never truly been present.

Imagine if you will a free-for-all "party" that the archons were able to throw here on Gaia for a period of 26,000 years. At the beginning of the party, the archons may have wanted to believe that the party would last forever. After all, they thought they were masters of the universe and even set up a very realistic hologram where they were perceived as gods and the universe was their oyster. Well, the party did actually have an expiration date…a time to pack it in and call it a night. That time is now and the party is over. It may take some time to clean up from all the festivities, but it is happening even if that is not apparent to most.

***Do note that this is my understanding of what is transpiring on a large scale as well as the reasons why some of us are here at this time. Individual experiences and understandings may vary.

[Ishtar]

The biggest success that psy-ops have had over the past few decades is the successful blurring of fact and fiction. This is because so many people spend their time watching fiction on screens that they can no longer tell the difference between what is real and what is Hollywood. Psy-ops were probably tipped off to how successful a strategy this would be when they saw the panicked reaction of the American people to the radio broadcast of HG Wells' War of the Worlds, narrated by Orson Wells, in 1938. And of course, it hasn't been difficult to get people to believe in a super-race of beings that they haven't so much as ever seen a photo of, who will bring their salvation from the heavens when for 2,000 years they had been brainwashed by religion to believe the exact same thing. God and the angels have just been replaced by ETs in this new religion that only requires your total and utter blind faith in the existence of these beings, which you have never seen, for entry into its hallowed portals for communion and absolution. No wonder they think we're stupid.Sorry, but IMO, this is a silly reaction/rationalization.

I'll stick with the very first words I said after listening to the first broadcast by Drake, (something like) "I am convinced he is convinced." I still believe that ON THAT DAY, Drake would have passed a polygraph. He was not lying - he was duped. Duped by whom? Black-ops psy-ops guys? Way back channel, maybe, but Drake himself was convinced by whomever he was talking to, and more than likely, that meant that whomever he was talking to believed it too.

Have any of you ever been on stage? Any idea how difficult it would have been for Drake to go into character and speak the words he did, deliver the words the way he did, as an actor delivering rehearsed psy-ops lines? That's by far the LEAST likely scenario. Drake making it all up for attention is the second least likely scenario.

You really think an actor delivering psy-ops lines would flip out the way he did over a post made on Avalon? Wasn't that obvious that you were dealing with a single personality at that point?

"No wonder they think we're stupid."

No, we ARE stupid if we think for one minute this was a psy-op plan. Jesus H Christ, can't we recognize a regular, ordinary, flawed, human - just like us - when we meet one?

The most likely scenario (remember Occam's Razor, anyone?) is that there really was a plan, for decades, within some military personnel. Seems likely to me that thousands of military members watched JFK's head go back and to the left and watched the Joint Chiefs and the President lie - and the military guys couldn't do a damn thing about it. It probably festered for years in many military personnel's minds as the sickeningly phony story was repeated over and over.

In fact, I would have a very difficult time believing that no one had a plan to take out the rotten apples from the inside. I personally know an idiot that dedicated nearly three years to The Reset Button, a different plan to take out the rotten apples (well, the whole damn orchard, really), so I know there are people who will step up and create a plan. And, I know what it's like when people would rather watch reality TV, argue over Democrats and Republicans, or hold up signs saying "Jail the Bankers!" rather than even consider supporting or even signing a different plan that actually could work.

I stopped listening to Drake when his train went off the rails (Avalon freakout/second show?), so I don't know how crazy he got - but he probably got pretty crazy. Imagine if you believed in this plan for years and years, expected cooperation and cheers from citizens, and had to live through the plan's fizzle - imagine how heartbroken and angry you would be.

Still think he's a psy-ops guy? A liar?

Drake is a tragic character. A patriot ready to die trying to get the rotten scum out of the US government and the nefarious corporations. It didn't work. The plan did not materialize. Like I said, I suspect he went crazy as the plan fell apart and as he got no help and massive doses of ridicule. Does it appear to you that he has gone a bit (or a lot) crazy? And you're still poking the crazy guy with sticks? What does that say about YOU, dear reader?

So, may I respectfully recommend that people stop kicking and spitting on the guy
laying on the sidewalk. He tried. He failed. Oh, and don't worry, no one else is going to try, so you can put the slings and arrows back in the gun safe.

Dennis

p.s. Avocadess, as the OP, maybe this is a good time to request this thread be closed.

Dennis, this is a magnificent post that does you credit. It made me stop and think for a while.

You're quite right, of course. The real phenomenon is wider and deeper.

What frustrated me was not that one person was standing up and saying something loudly and defiantly that was self-evidently nonsensical (and, equally evidently according to foreverfan above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more&p=522090&viewfull=1#post522090), is continuing).

It was that researchers who are experienced enough to know better supported him and elevated him to 15 minutes of stardom -- and that so many people wasted so much time believing yet another false prophet.

It was like a kind of slow-motion tragi-comedy that could never end well... and Drake, of course, is the fall guy. I agree: I'm sure he was sincere. I also agree with you (I suspect) that what this all really is is a sad reflection on the state of the entire alternative media.

How gullible are we? How smart are we at real research? Real understanding of the actual mechanisms in play?

I sometimes think we were doing rather better ten years ago, when not so many people were awake... but a far greater proportion of those awakening were looking in the right directions.

Dennis and Bill

You both wrote good posts, but they were nothing to do with my post which Dennis quoted as if he was replying to it.... but Dennis you didn't respond to my points other than to say that "it was a silly reaction/rationalisation" then you went on to talk about something else, i.e. whether or not Drake was for real to begin with. Neither of you addressed the content of my post which you both quoted.

If you're going to accuse someone who doesn't have unconditional blind faith in the psy-ops channelled version of ETs of being silly and irrational, then please at least put up an argument against it. But if you want to write a post about something else, e.g. Drake's first radio broadcast (which wasn't what I was referring to ~ I was responding to StarDust's and Arunuk's post that professed faith in ETs and that they would come and 'save us') then please take my quoted post out of it.

[Kelly]

FAO Foreverfan, i dont know how to copy people's quotes, so i will reply here:
My little poem was not intended to spit any venom or turd at anyone, that was not my intention, my intention was to say, us, human beings, have always gave away our energy to others, we are easliy manipulated and naive, this is why we are in this situation in the first place, and this is what needs to change.
If we are to listen to every tom, dick or harry, who runs around giving out false information and promises that never come true, instead of listening to our own selves, we are gonna end up very confused and let down.
I have watched a pattern emerge over the years, for every person like this, who promises great things, they amass a following of people, ready to believe, and when the promises fail to deliver, people get let down, till the next person comes along, then they follow them, over and over and over this has happened.
Isnt it time we stopped following others, and started seeing through the lies?
We will never advance as a species, standing with our own power, as long as we follow someone else.

[Unified Serenity]

I was thinking the same thing Nancy. For anyone to say they believe Drake believed this or was completely sincere or would have passed a polygraph the day he came out with his story is thus saying they believe he was actually working with top military brass, 140 plus nations, and coalescing the national militia. Dennis, do you believe Drake was actually having high level meetings with the military, special envoys to other countries, and yet couldn't come up with money to help his friend in an emergency who needed $2500.00 to get out of jail for stealing people's money? Oh, yeh, he neglected to tell us that's what she needed our money for.

When someone can pass a polygraph test who believes something so completely but it's all false, we either call them delusional or a sociopathic / pathological liar. I am sorry for those of you who actually believed this guy, but it's not the first time you have done this, and I don't really know why you do it, but you do it. Now, is the time to not feel salt poured into your wounds as your hopes have been possibly dashed. I do beleive though that the sympathy of many for those who want to be deceived and find out they were is probably wearing thin at this point. There will be another stardust gatherer who wants their 15 minutes of fame. Will you jump on their bandwagon or actually examine and ask pertinent questions of them like, "Where's the proof". Of course they won't have any, they never do. To give you proof would put too many people in danger. Proof would make someone guilty like Brockbrader saying he was a secret Seal. You all still believe that? You can't prove a negative so that means you go on blind faith.

I do believe there is one coming very soon who is the best of liars. Who has maneuvered us and manipulated us with fear and paranoia who will appear to be all things to all people. He will tell such a great tale and promise such great things to heal this world, fix our problems, and he will actually be doing things. He will even proclaim himself to be God, Buddah, Jesus, Krishna, any god you believe in, and he will amaze you. We were warned of him coming and if you all can be deceived by Drake, Brockbrader, Charles etc you had better wake up, because this is the one that you really can't afford to be taken in by. Could this have all been a small test for some of us to see would we be taken in or if were were will we now wake up and realize we wanted to be deceived and so we were?


2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

I would put Drake in the category of a false Messiah, and yes, we were warned those would be coming too. Not one of us will be without excuse when we are found whoring around with the evil one.

[foreverfan]

FAO Foreverfan, i dont know how to copy people's quotes, so i will reply here:
My little poem was not intended to spit any venom or turd at anyone, that was not my intention, my intention was to say, us, human beings, have always gave away our energy to others, we are easliy manipulated and naive, this is why we are in this situation in the first place, and this is what needs to change.
If we are to listen to every tom, dick or harry, who runs around giving out false information and promises that never come true, instead of listening to our own selves, we are gonna end up very confused and let down.
I have watched a pattern emerge over the years, for every person like this, who promises great things, they amass a following of people, ready to believe, and when the promises fail to deliver, people get let down, till the next person comes along, then they follow them, over and over and over this has happened.
Isnt it time we stopped following others, and started seeing through the lies?
We will never advance as a species, standing with our own power, as long as we follow someone else.

Hey, I'm not here to judge. I'm only here to observe. This has been a great thread and I'm just saying that is shouldn't be shut down.

[9eagle9]

It has to be shut down, that's how the program goes. Like the government you have to hide the whatever idiotic and potentially destructive and/or misleading evidence there is to protect the guilty and the easily misled.

It also serves to keep perpetrating this sort of thing so when the next carbon copy guru comes along everyone will have forgotten the new boss, looks pretty much like the old boss.

[Unified Serenity]

I think we need a sticky thread titled something like:

"And today's guru is...." so when the next one comes along we can put an announcement in it and when they are proven a fraud we can put a summary article in it. There will always be individual threads like the Drake, Charles, Brockbrader thread, but at this time, I think a solid pattern is emerging and a sticky would help us just get them all in one place and maybe, just maybe people will see the pattern or those who want to become the next "GURU" will think twice.

[9eagle9]

How much of threat are you to the powers that be that you would need containment?. None. Because you are already scared you can be kept in the usual fashion that most people are kept in--remote containment. Fear programming suffices to keep most of the population well within controllable parameters--for them.

No one will be forced into FEMA work camp they will walk in under their own volition. No one has to be forced in there. Like this thread demonstrates the sheep jump on the bait under their own volition. Some bait will be dangled to get the sheep on the hook.

People who are the actual threat will know it's bait.

People who knew this Drake drama was more mind candy bait, were treated like a threat by sheep scrambling to get on the band wagon.

My concerns would be not the powers that be, but the sheep who INVITE in this sort of thing. Then I remember they are sheep.....



Laugh and joke and ridicule as much as you like on your way to the FEMA camps. Just because Drake was a stooge for the cabal doesn't mean you guys are not going to suffer a wee bit. So Mr Ryan what do you suggest next? All American citizens pack up their belongings and take the next boat to South America and hide? Why not offer a sensible alternative to the plight of the people in USA? I certainly know that I don't know. However I am open to sensible suggestions myself.

Stan

I'm sorry, Stan. I agree with the points you raise. Sometimes when I'm feeling overwhelmed, I get into that comic relief place to diffuse the built up energy.

The FEMA camps are what scare me the most. The idea of being confined or controlled makes me think that I'd rather not be around. It's embarrassing to admit this because I consider myself a gutsy person. I'm a work in progress...

Peace Stan, http://www.pic4ever.com/images/grouphugg.gif
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Consider it live time research? We want to fool ourselves into thinking we are private and insulated and lesser well intentioned powers are not watching us play in our own ****. Things of this nature just show them that even the ones who have politically woke up are still sound asleep when it comes to awareness of how they operate--which is mostly through the common masses.

[Dennis Leahy]

Dennis and Bill

You both wrote good posts, but they were nothing to do with my post which Dennis quoted as if he was replying to it.... but Dennis you didn't respond to my points other than to say that "it was a silly reaction/rationalisation" then you went on to talk about something else, i.e. whether or not Drake was for real to begin with. Neither of you addressed the content of my post which you both quoted.

If you're going to accuse someone who doesn't have unconditional blind faith in the psy-ops channelled version of ETs of being silly and irrational, then please at least put up an argument against it. But if you want to write a post about something else, e.g. Drake's first radio broadcast (which wasn't what I was referring to ~ I was responding to StarDust's and Arunuk's post that professed faith in ETs and that they would come and 'save us') then please take my quoted post out of it.


I was thinking the same thing Nancy. For anyone to say they believe Drake believed this or was completely sincere or would have passed a polygraph the day he came out with his story is thus saying they believe he was actually working with top military brass, 140 plus nations, and coalescing the national militia. Dennis, do you believe Drake was actually having high level meetings with the military, special envoys to other countries, and yet couldn't come up with money to help his friend in an emergency who needed $2500.00 to get out of jail for stealing people's money? Oh, yeh, he neglected to tell us that's what she needed our money for.

When someone can pass a polygraph test who believes something so completely but it's all false, we either call them delusional or a sociopathic / pathological liar. I am sorry for those of you who actually believed this guy, but it's not the first time you have done this, and I don't really know why you do it, but you do it. Now, is the time to not feel salt poured into your wounds as your hopes have been possibly dashed. I do beleive though that the sympathy of many for those who want to be deceived and find out they were is probably wearing thin at this point. There will be another stardust gatherer who wants their 15 minutes of fame. Will you jump on their bandwagon or actually examine and ask pertinent questions of them like, "Where's the proof". Of course they won't have any, they never do. To give you proof would put too many people in danger. Proof would make someone guilty like Brockbrader saying he was a secret Seal. You all still believe that? You can't prove a negative so that means you go on blind faith.

I do believe there is one coming very soon who is the best of liars. Who has maneuvered us and manipulated us with fear and paranoia who will appear to be all things to all people. He will tell such a great tale and promise such great things to heal this world, fix our problems, and he will actually be doing things. He will even proclaim himself to be God, Buddah, Jesus, Krishna, any god you believe in, and he will amaze you. We were warned of him coming and if you all can be deceived by Drake, Brockbrader, Charles etc you had better wake up, because this is the one that you really can't afford to be taken in by. Could this have all been a small test for some of us to see would we be taken in or if were were will we now wake up and realize we wanted to be deceived and so we were?


2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. I would put Drake in the category of a false Messiah, and yes, we were warned those would be coming too. Not one of us will be without excuse when we are found whoring around with the evil one.


It has to be shut down, that's how the program goes. Like the government you have to hide the whatever idiotic and potentially destructive and/or misleading evidence there is to protect the guilty and the easily misled.

It also serves to keep perpetrating this sort of thing so when the next carbon copy guru comes along everyone will have forgotten the new boss, looks pretty much like the old boss.

This is the last I'll write about this, because I'm moving on.

Ishtar, without spending a lot of time working backwards through quotes of quotes and spending even more time, your post in the Drake thread about StarDust's post picking an ET help/intervention (which was in the original Drake disclosure and underscored by Wilcock) detail out of Stan's post about Drake realizing that the military is not going to do anything, and a casual mention of his belief of ETs is what set you off... and your post happened to be the trigger to make me say, "enough."

Your post repeated the theme that Drake is part of an organized psy-ops. I certainly did reply to that, and do think it is silly that anyone would believe the Drake saga was a planned psy-ops.

Unified Serenity, as I stated, yes, I think Drake was convinced. I think he has been in the sovereignty movement for a long time, sent sovereignty paperwork off to somewhere he believed was the correct international body to file the paperwork, was in the military, does have military contacts, and did meet with some of them. I think he was handed a bunch of information, which he believed, and was asked to disseminate some of the information - as a spokesperson. I suspect that in the information 'packet' he received gave details like "138 nations are aligned..." that he repeated. When he, as spokesperson, repeated the info, he said, "We..."

(gripreaper knows enough about law to shred the legality of filing sovereignty documents for the US to get out from under USA, Inc., but I think Drake believed there was some old legal precedent that overruled the current law.)

No, I don't think Drake was/is a "false messiah", and that again goes back to intent. He had nothing to gain, personally, and everything to lose, personally, and he has now lost all of it. That should be a signal to stop beating the horse. Again, I'm not listening to him, but suspect that he is becoming more and more unglued. You (and others) can keep blasting away at him, personally, if you have some need to do so. I don't. The plan did not materialize. (I'd guess too few were actually involved, and too few believed it could work and so did not risk everything to try.)

If you're going to use bible passages to make your point, then maybe you had better be very, very careful about making fun of Drake. God (evidently) gets VERY pissed off when people (even children) mock and taunt someone. [2 Kings 2:23-24]

9eagle9, we don't sit and watch documentaries over and over and over again, do we? We take in the info, and move forward. That is not "hiding the evidence", it is moving on. Maybe you're convinced that Drake didn't fall far enough yet and should be chased down and beaten to death with a spoon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VDvgL58h_Y). I learned what I needed to, and I'm moving on.

Dennis
p.s. I'm seriously done with this thread and won't reply to it again.

[Maunagarjana]

FAO Foreverfan, i dont know how to copy people's quotes, so i will reply here:
My little poem was not intended to spit any venom or turd at anyone, that was not my intention, my intention was to say, us, human beings, have always gave away our energy to others, we are easliy manipulated and naive, this is why we are in this situation in the first place, and this is what needs to change.
If we are to listen to every tom, dick or harry, who runs around giving out false information and promises that never come true, instead of listening to our own selves, we are gonna end up very confused and let down.
I have watched a pattern emerge over the years, for every person like this, who promises great things, they amass a following of people, ready to believe, and when the promises fail to deliver, people get let down, till the next person comes along, then they follow them, over and over and over this has happened.
Isnt it time we stopped following others, and started seeing through the lies?
We will never advance as a species, standing with our own power, as long as we follow someone else.

Fair enough, Kelly. I should say my little poem wasn't directed at you. I don't know if you've been following this thread for long, but those who have can probably tell where I was coming from. Even so, in hindsight, I probably shouldn't have included the last two lines. I got carried away. Sorry if you thought it was about you. I either should have stated that up front or not have quoted you at all.

[Kelly]

No worries, it was my confusion, im still getting used to how the forum works and whatnot.
Im not here to argue with anyone, spent enough lifetimes doing that, peace :)

[9eagle9]

Dennis I doubt I have ever posted a documentary on Avalon, although I periodically watch them, I seldom quote other people, I don't have a guru, I appreciate certain researchers and sovereignty advocates but I'm not banging their drum, and flipping out occult dates for people to obsess about. I've made it pretty plain that everything comes from me.

I can't say the same for you. Who has to post a thread asking when the world financial structure is going to collapse when it has been collapsing in plain sight for years now. Only those who are stuck in this program need a fixed date. When you let go of the need for a system, the systems will come down.

When the reset button is switched on 12-21-2012 and we are all collectively thrust into Wonderland?

People like Drake and their followers neutralize themselves--they lose all authority, all credibility, and basically relegated to those who will have to babysat in any future scenario that we have. I know you'd like to sweep that under the rug but you know ....people who are jettisoning the program aren't doing the ptb's dirty work anymore.




...
9eagle9, we don't sit and watch documentaries over and over and over again, do we? We take in the info, and move forward. That is not "hiding the evidence", it is moving on. Maybe you're convinced that Drake didn't fall far enough yet and should be chased down and beaten to death with a spoon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VDvgL58h_Y). I learned what I needed to, and I'm moving on.

Dennis
p.s. I'm seriously done with this thread and won't reply to it again.

[gripreaper]

Here is an example. Got this in my e-mail box this morning.:


****FORWARD THIS TO YOUR CONTACTS, FRIENDS, FAMILY, CO-WORKERS***

Hello! I hope everyone is doing well but i bet YOU could be doing better with NO MORTGAGE OR PROPERTY TAX PAYMENTS!! We have had several successes with many zeroing out their mortgages lately that I had to offer a ONE TIME MORTGAGE ELIMINATION SPECIAL OF $1000.00!! Normally I CHARGE ALOT MORE, some of you were lucky to get a discount, but NEVER DONE BEFORE AND WILL NEVER DO AGAIN take advantage of making your mortgage payment to me ONE TIME and zero it out forever!!

This is a lawful remedy that has been around for years and just discovered NOW, so make the claim NOW for which has been abandoned for the life of your loan NOW. Did the bank tell you at signing that your signature PAID FOR THE SO CALLED "LOAN" THEY GAVE YOU? DID YOU KNOW YOU DON'T OWN YOUR HOME UNTIL YOU BRING IT FORWARD? Banks don't have "money" to loan, they loan CREDIT, which is digits created out of THIN air! Then they start charging you your hard earned labor, which is non taxable and makes the IRS illegal too! YOU PAID FOR YOUR HOUSE AT SIGNING! Now they're double dipping you! If your mortgage is older than FIVE years, it was discharged already and they are screwing you again, again and again! THIS SAVES FORECLOSURE Make the claim, bring it forward and own your home FREE AND CLEAR!


What my services do:
GETS YOUR LAND AND HOME FREE AND CLEAR - CLEAR TITLE TO YOU, NOT THE BANKERS
FREE'S YOU FROM PROBATE COURT
SAVES FORECLOSURE
PREVENTS FORECLOSURE
PREVENTS LIENS
PREVENTS LEVIES
KEEPS YOUR ESCROW MONIES SAFE TO RECOOP LATER
ZEROES OUT THE PROPERTY TAX AND EXCISE TAXES


How much is it worth to you?

[SilentFeathers]

I still think Drake was lying about many things. He was too certain that 90% of the military supported the mass arrests, that the ET's were helping, that millions of militia were ready to act on his command. He made too many statements about different things that were going to happen that he couldn't have possibly known were true, because so far they've all been wrong. I think he's a LIAR.

That doesn't mean I don't have empathy for him just as I do for anyone who might be a fool OR a liar. Although I have empathy for his stupidity and lies that doesn't mean I will pretend that he was just a fool and a patsy and feel sorry for him. He is entirely responsible for his own mistakes and for leading many people to believe his crap. If he wasn't SURE about his so called Intel then he is even more to blame for leading everyone on with no actual knowledge of what he was saying.

It isn't over yet. He's STILL lying and the game is still afoot. Hopefully it will die with a whimper and not with his arrest for promoting a violent uprising.

With the patriot act, the NDAA and several other "passed legislation", I am actually surprised Drake (and some others) haven't been arrested yet for "conspiracy to commit or actually committing acts of terrorism". There's probably a longer list of "alleged crimes" the gestapo have on him (and some others) that we are not aware of.....I am VERY surprised they have not shut him down yet.

This makes me suspicious and I can only speculate to why they haven't shut him down and that would be that they are using him to flag others and out potential militias that are crazy enough to believe in this outrageous story of nano dust and a soul sucking Solar Disk. Not to mention playing God with the US military as he started out doing.

We haven't seen the last of this I'm sure, I have a pretty good idea to who will really be arrested when the "mass arrests" do take place......and it isn't the people Drake and others claim that will be arrested, he mentions the mirror, well, he needs to take a deep look in to it himself.....

As I mentioned from the beginning of this whole ordeal, it's pretty ignorant to think that the cabal is actually going to arrest themselves! it's even more crazy to think a bunch of beer drinking militia people that believe in nano dust particals paralyzing crooks and all weapons not able to fire are going to arrest the cabal and save the world to with the help of a bunch of evil ET's who will blast the crooks in to the sun and have the sun devour their souls! Sheesh!l dah!

It would be like me coming on this forum and telling you all that Bikini Bottom really does exist and Sponge Bob is a real person, that I have been there and met him (and Patrick) and that in order to save the world we must all believe what I am saying and move there immediately before the bad ET's capture us and kill us.....

Sheesh.....now Cobra...and Lady Dragon? who's next and how many times does a vampire have to bite someone before they realize it's not a mosquito??????

[Maunagarjana]

With the patriot act, the NDAA and several other "passed legislation", I am actually surprised Drake (and some others) haven't been arrested yet for "conspiracy to commit or actually committing acts of terrorism". There's probably a longer list of "alleged crimes" the gestapo have on him (and some others) that we are not aware of.....I am VERY surprised they have not shut him down yet.

Maybe he's got some friends in high places looking out for him. I think he might have mentioned something like that before.

[Christine]

With the patriot act, the NDAA and several other "passed legislation", I am actually surprised Drake (and some others) haven't been arrested yet for "conspiracy to commit or actually committing acts of terrorism". There's probably a longer list of "alleged crimes" the gestapo have on him (and some others) that we are not aware of.....I am VERY surprised they have not shut him down yet.

Maybe he's got some friends in high places looking out for him. I think he might have mentioned something like that before.

More likely he was useful to TPTB... and obviously wasn't effective other than in diverting people's energy and attention.

[RunningDeer]

Great points, great reminders, 9eagle9. Thank you.

As part of my process, it’s important for me to acknowledge the fear so I can get on with getting on. If push comes to shove, they’ll have to kill me where I stand before I go. (metaphor there) In reality, until I learn the art of invisibility, I won’t be there when they arrive. (Still working out the kinks of invisibility.) But I also know if their orders are to snatch and grab, not shoot, then four strong guys could grab legs and arms and toss me into the cage.

Note to self: set aside more time for invisible mastery.

The bad guys would be wise to put me in a FEMA camp because I’m going to do all that I can to assist us All. I can’t tell you what that is because I don’t know. But I do know that it’ll show itself because it has always been the way. I also know...I’ll live in the woods and eat leaves and mosquitos before I succumb to them creating a long term life plan for me.

Note to self: set aside more time for solutions for winter living in the woods.


How much of threat are you to the powers that be that you would need containment?. None. Because you are already scared you can be kept in the usual fashion that most people are kept in--remote containment. Fear programming suffices to keep most of the population well within controllable parameters--for them.

No one will be forced into FEMA work camp they will walk in under their own volition. No one has to be forced in there. Like this thread demonstrates the sheep jump on the bait under their own volition. Some bait will be dangled to get the sheep on the hook.

People who are the actual threat will know it's bait.

People who knew this Drake drama was more mind candy bait, were treated like a threat by sheep scrambling to get on the band wagon.

My concerns would be not the powers that be, but the sheep who INVITE in this sort of thing. Then I remember they are sheep.....



Laugh and joke and ridicule as much as you like on your way to the FEMA camps. Just because Drake was a stooge for the cabal doesn't mean you guys are not going to suffer a wee bit. So Mr Ryan what do you suggest next? All American citizens pack up their belongings and take the next boat to South America and hide? Why not offer a sensible alternative to the plight of the people in USA? I certainly know that I don't know. However I am open to sensible suggestions myself.

Stan

I'm sorry, Stan. I agree with the points you raise. Sometimes when I'm feeling overwhelmed, I get into that comic relief place to diffuse the built up energy.

The FEMA camps are what scare me the most. The idea of being confined or controlled makes me think that I'd rather not be around. It's embarrassing to admit this because I consider myself a gutsy person. I'm a work in progress...

Peace Stan, http://www.pic4ever.com/images/grouphugg.gif
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Consider it live time research? We want to fool ourselves into thinking we are private and insulated and lesser well intentioned powers are not watching us play in our own ****. Things of this nature just show them that even the ones who have politically woke up are still sound asleep when it comes to awareness of how they operate--which is mostly through the common masses.

[Maunagarjana]

With the patriot act, the NDAA and several other "passed legislation", I am actually surprised Drake (and some others) haven't been arrested yet for "conspiracy to commit or actually committing acts of terrorism". There's probably a longer list of "alleged crimes" the gestapo have on him (and some others) that we are not aware of.....I am VERY surprised they have not shut him down yet.

Maybe he's got some friends in high places looking out for him. I think he might have mentioned something like that before.

More likely he was useful to TPTB... and obviously wasn't effective other than in diverting people's energy and attention.

If you pay attention to Drake you cannot be engaged with other topics and activities at the same time. It's simply impossible. He's like this black hole that no attention span can escape from.

[aranuk]

[...]

However I am open to sensible suggestions myself.


Stan

Thank you Stan for sharing your step of great improvement.

The caveat is that these suggestions may be coming from another professional hypnotist... :)

With all respect in your direction Sir, I did NOT share ANY step for improvement at all. I made it very clear that I did NOT know but I am willing to listen to ANY sort of solution. Please don't be so sarcastic and try to ridicule me.


Stan

Apologies good sir, I may have misunderstood your usage of the word "sensible" and took it as meaning: 6 having or showing good sense or sound judgment; intelligent, reasonnable, wise (Random House, college Ed.)

Since you have been following this thread, I have open my (not so) big mouthy keyboard to advocate the only two things that can constitutionally be done:


[...]

Cool data 000!

That's actually the only way the so-called "Federal Reserve" can be taken out since Congress has been rendered useless:


According to Section 4, part 2 of the Federal Reserve Act, 1913, it says of each of the 12 privately owned Federal Reserve Banks:

“To have succession for a period of twenty years from its organization unless it is sooner dissolved by an Act of Congress, or unless its franchise becomes forfeited by some violation of law.“

Since the Federal Reserve Board’s site (http://federalreserve.gov/) shows that all 12 original Federal Reserve Banks are still in operation, their 20-year charter must have been extended.

A 20-year charter was also granted to the First and Second Banks of the United States, and both had their charter terminated. Yes, there was a time when privately owned central banks had time-limited charters, and for good reason, due to the havoc they caused.

12 U.S.C. § 341 : US Code – Section 341 (http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/12/3/IX/341): General enumeration of powers shows:

“Second. To have succession after February 25, 1927, until dissolved by Act of Congress or until forfeiture of franchise for violation of law.“

Again, since the Federal Reserve Board’s site shows that all 12 original Federal Reserve Banks are still in operation, this provision was either changed with some other time limit, or was never changed.

In fact, it was never changed, and, therefore, their charter doesn’t expire in 2012, and there was never a 99-year charter for the Federal Reserve.

From: http://fauxcapitalist.com/2012/04/21...xpire-in-2012/ (http://fauxcapitalist.com/2012/04/21/the-federal-reserves-non-existent-99-year-charter-set-to-expire-in-2012/)



... which Wilcock and Drake jump onto via the liens despite having nothing to do in initiating those.

...and:



[...]

... it better not be about an Article 5 Convention, although that is the only remedy our forefathers put into the Constitution to remedy this situation. This "posits" an alert and involved electorate though, and that is not what we have. I'm scared sh1tless of the Article 5 Convention with the awareness of the electorate we have now.

Well, it is... but in a more structured way than the way Drake puts it... which might even be an attempt by the latter to derail what the former is doing.

Brooks Agnew knows what he talking about, Drake doesn't as he is being fed infos/disinfos.

There... a few of my centimes.

Your quotes above where you explain about the Federal reserve I can only agree with. That sounds to me very reasable and much worth. I never accused you of anything so no need to be defensive. I was defending myself against your ridicule.

Stan

[Jean-Marie]

My belief is that even though people should know better, when they here that someone or something is going to save us, solve our problems, they want to cling to some hope. It is all a part of human nature. We all have different levels of day to day frustrations that affect our ability to discern the latest whistleblower. I have had moments like that myself in the past the Charles fiasco was enough for me.

I have been following this thread waiting to see that Bill Ryan was not going to eat his hat!

[aranuk]

-------

Oh, Dear. Stan -- relax just a moment and laugh with everyone else. God knows we need it. :)

Of course serious solutions are needed. We've all just come to realize -- Avocadess included, to her great credit -- that Drake's answer is not the one.

Ok, Bill and Tigra and WCBD I will take your advice. I will try and laugh. Difficult for me though. Drake it seems in retrospect never did have an answer.
But we surely can find one.

Stan

[RunningDeer]

-------

Oh, Dear. Stan -- relax just a moment and laugh with everyone else. God knows we need it. :)

Of course serious solutions are needed. We've all just come to realize -- Avocadess included, to her great credit -- that Drake's answer is not the one.

Ok, Bill and Tigra and WCBD I will take your advice. I will try and laugh. Difficult for me though. Drake it seems in retrospect never did have an answer.
But we surely can find one.

Stan

Hi Stan,

Laughing is 100% natural and free and heart healthy.

............Going, going, gone..........................................:car:

Ladda, :wave:
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[aranuk]

The biggest success that psy-ops have had over the past few decades is the successful blurring of fact and fiction. This is because so many people spend their time watching fiction on screens that they can no longer tell the difference between what is real and what is Hollywood. Psy-ops were probably tipped off to how successful a strategy this would be when they saw the panicked reaction of the American people to the radio broadcast of HG Wells' War of the Worlds, narrated by Orson Wells, in 1938. And of course, it hasn't been difficult to get people to believe in a super-race of beings that they haven't so much as ever seen a photo of, who will bring their salvation from the heavens when for 2,000 years they had been brainwashed by religion to believe the exact same thing. God and the angels have just been replaced by ETs in this new religion that only requires your total and utter blind faith in the existence of these beings, which you have never seen, for entry into its hallowed portals for communion and absolution. No wonder they think we're stupid.Sorry, but IMO, this is a silly reaction/rationalization.

I'll stick with the very first words I said after listening to the first broadcast by Drake, (something like) "I am convinced he is convinced." I still believe that ON THAT DAY, Drake would have passed a polygraph. He was not lying - he was duped. Duped by whom? Black-ops psy-ops guys? Way back channel, maybe, but Drake himself was convinced by whomever he was talking to, and more than likely, that meant that whomever he was talking to believed it too.

Have any of you ever been on stage? Any idea how difficult it would have been for Drake to go into character and speak the words he did, deliver the words the way he did, as an actor delivering rehearsed psy-ops lines? That's by far the LEAST likely scenario. Drake making it all up for attention is the second least likely scenario.

You really think an actor delivering psy-ops lines would flip out the way he did over a post made on Avalon? Wasn't that obvious that you were dealing with a single personality at that point?

"No wonder they think we're stupid."

No, we ARE stupid if we think for one minute this was a psy-op plan. Jesus H Christ, can't we recognize a regular, ordinary, flawed, human - just like us - when we meet one?

The most likely scenario (remember Occam's Razor, anyone?) is that there really was a plan, for decades, within some military personnel. Seems likely to me that thousands of military members watched JFK's head go back and to the left and watched the Joint Chiefs and the President lie - and the military guys couldn't do a damn thing about it. It probably festered for years in many military personnel's minds as the sickeningly phony story was repeated over and over.

In fact, I would have a very difficult time believing that no one had a plan to take out the rotten apples from the inside. I personally know an idiot that dedicated nearly three years to The Reset Button, a different plan to take out the rotten apples (well, the whole damn orchard, really), so I know there are people who will step up and create a plan. And, I know what it's like when people would rather watch reality TV, argue over Democrats and Republicans, or hold up signs saying "Jail the Bankers!" rather than even consider supporting or even signing a different plan that actually could work.

I stopped listening to Drake when his train went off the rails (Avalon freakout/second show?), so I don't know how crazy he got - but he probably got pretty crazy. Imagine if you believed in this plan for years and years, expected cooperation and cheers from citizens, and had to live through the plan's fizzle - imagine how heartbroken and angry you would be.

Still think he's a psy-ops guy? A liar?

Drake is a tragic character. A patriot ready to die trying to get the rotten scum out of the US government and the nefarious corporations. It didn't work. The plan did not materialize. Like I said, I suspect he went crazy as the plan fell apart and as he got no help and massive doses of ridicule. Does it appear to you that he has gone a bit (or a lot) crazy? And you're still poking the crazy guy with sticks? What does that say about YOU, dear reader?

So, may I respectfully recommend that people stop kicking and spitting on the guy
laying on the sidewalk. He tried. He failed. Oh, and don't worry, no one else is going to try, so you can put the slings and arrows back in the gun safe.

Dennis

p.s. Avocadess, as the OP, maybe this is a good time to request this thread be closed.

Hi Dennis, my sentiments too! He at least followed his heart and didn't fail, the plan did!

Stan

¤=[Post Update]=¤




-------

Oh, Dear. Stan -- relax just a moment and laugh with everyone else. God knows we need it. :)

Of course serious solutions are needed. We've all just come to realize -- Avocadess included, to her great credit -- that Drake's answer is not the one.

Ok, Bill and Tigra and WCBD I will take your advice. I will try and laugh. Difficult for me though. Drake it seems in retrospect never did have an answer.
But we surely can find one.

Stan

Hi Stan,

Laughing is 100% natural and free and heart healthy.

You said:"I will try and laugh. Difficult for me though." As the risk of sounding like a Yoda wanna be, "Do...not try". It's only hard because you just programed yourself into that belief. It's as simple as changing a hat, change the belief. (Ah-ha moment, I should take my own advice. Thanks for the help, Stan.)


............Going, going, gone..........................................:car:

Ladda, :wave:
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

Time heals most wounds.

Stan

[Avocadess]

DANNION BRINKLEY (author of Saved By the Light) predicts civil war of U.S. military versus retired U.S. military:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zw6JmHdQN4


Wishing you the best day EVER..!!


Avocadess

[Christine]

-------

Oh, Dear. Stan -- relax just a moment and laugh with everyone else. God knows we need it. :)

Of course serious solutions are needed. We've all just come to realize -- Avocadess included, to her great credit -- that Drake's answer is not the one.


Ok, Bill and Tigra and WCBD I will take your advice. I will try and laugh. Difficult for me though. Drake it seems in retrospect never did have an answer.
But we surely can find one.

Stan

Thank you Stan,

We surely can find answers. We are all in this together and that for me is of utmost importance to understand.

La Tigra

[SilentFeathers]

Phyllis Schlafly on Why Calling a Constitutional Convention is a Bad Idea

O_4ZZRj1nnE

[gripreaper]

Phyllis Schlafly on Why Calling a Constitutional Convention is a Bad Idea

So true. That has always been the problem, that the power brokers would use it to shove through their agenda of dismantling the Constitution. Problem is, the Constitution IS ALREADY, as George Bush put it, "just a goddamn piece of paper". The corporate government took over in the mid 1800's, bought and paid for the beltway lock, stock and barrel, made us all slaves through the Reconstruction Act, and hypothecated every single bit of asset or future production and energy from the people to the banksters in the 1933 bankruptcy.

We're under a constant and continual military state of emergency, under the war powers act, which gives the president full executive authority to enforce executive "orders" which come from the owners of this corporatocracy, the actual board of directors, the banksters, any friggin time they please, and we can't do a friggin thing about it. We ARE SLAVES, indentured through agreement and acquiescence, taking benefits and privileges from this trough of lies. So, when someone comes along and tells me that the Constitution has protected liberty for 230 years, they are blowing smoke, and setting up mirrors. It's NEVER been that way.

The Constitutional Convention would need to be called by the people, under the original organic states WITHOUT the corporate states, and the delegates and the agenda would need to be drafted and sent by the people. That is the only way it would work, and the only way to overthrow the existing tyrannical government.

Until people start showing up at their own city councils and calling bullsh!t, and then take it to their state legislatures, don't hold your breath for any lawful organic solution.

[Ishtar]

Ishtar, without spending a lot of time working backwards through quotes of quotes and spending even more time, your post in the Drake thread about StarDust's post picking an ET help/intervention (which was in the original Drake disclosure and underscored by Wilcock) detail out of Stan's post about Drake realizing that the military is not going to do anything, and a casual mention of his belief of ETs is what set you off... and your post happened to be the trigger to make me say, "enough."

Your post repeated the theme that Drake is part of an organized psy-ops. I certainly did reply to that, and do think it is silly that anyone would believe the Drake saga was a planned psy-ops.


To be clear, I didn't and I have never posted about whether or not Drake is deliberately part of a psy-ops campaign, although I think he was likely used by such. If you've read that into any of my posts, then that's because you're not concentrating on what I'm saying. I have never posted on that because I just don't know whether that's true or not. And I think it's quite likely his narcissistic ego has made him very malleable for others to use him as a 'useful idiot' and thus his first broadcasts, at least, were probably genuine, if not all of them, although he has patently lied and made death threats during them.

There's more than one way of disseminating psy-ops and most of those disseminating it don't know that they are.

My post that you decided was "silly and irrational" was entirely and 100 per cent about the widespread unsubstantiated belief in ETs caused by the blurring between fact and fiction, and the only radio broadcast mentioned was that of Orson Wells and not Drake.


p.s. I'm seriously done with this thread and won't reply to it again.

[9eagle9]

We have the answers Stan, we just keep looking for them in people who don't have them.



-------

Oh, Dear. Stan -- relax just a moment and laugh with everyone else. God knows we need it. :)

Of course serious solutions are needed. We've all just come to realize -- Avocadess included, to her great credit -- that Drake's answer is not the one.

Ok, Bill and Tigra and WCBD I will take your advice. I will try and laugh. Difficult for me though. Drake it seems in retrospect never did have an answer.
But we surely can find one.

Stan

[9eagle9]

Clearly not a thread for the sensitive who are , in spite of their sensitivity, going to take on the world's power brokers.

[araucaria]

My belief is that even though people should know better, when they here that someone or something is going to save us, solve our problems, they want to cling to some hope. It is all a part of human nature. We all have different levels of day to day frustrations that affect our ability to discern the latest whistleblower. I have had moments like that myself in the past the Charles fiasco was enough for me.

I have been following this thread waiting to see that Bill Ryan was not going to eat his hat!

This messianic business has gone too far. People of the sort found on Avalon are mostly past that. How messianic does the first domino feel or look? We have all seen systems that are bound to fail sooner or later, for one reason or another, and been on tenterhooks hoping the end is near when it’s not.

To give a recent personal example, I have just watched someone die after a massive stroke, surprising the doctors by surviving on no food and no water for... three weeks. Some things can take (much) longer than expected, but the prognosis is generally correct. We don’t hold it against the doctor who thought it might be quick any more than we applaud the one who made the right call.

The Brockbrader/Drake stuff, which I have been following from a great distance, latched onto the original Keenan lawsuit, which was bound to take time as such matters always do, but which I found interesting to work at, because there were just one or two individuals who needed to be nudged in the right direction to provoke a domino effect. As in sumo wrestling, you can fight beyond your weight merely by applying pressure at the right spot at the right moment – provided you are able to withstand the preceding onslaught.

[ThePythonicCow]

Hey foreverfan, I voted a Bush for President four times, don't feel too bad...

http://www.pic4ever.com/images/computer3.gif Oh, so you're the one that's caused all this mess.
You can run...but you can't hide. I'm watching you... Mr. Fred.


Uh oh, Fred, we're in trouble now. WhiteCrowBlackDeer is on our case.

(I voted for Bush four times too.)

[Christine]

Hello all,

Enough should be enough already. Hasn’t Drake been beaten into the ground? It appears that some of you don’t want to let this thread die. How ironic that the very ones who ridiculed and cautioned against the falsehoods and diversion of energy are the very ones that are so passionately defending their positions.

Drake himself is defeated, what possible good or understanding can come from any of us hurling insults at each other. By doing so we have proven that TPTB have shown once again the Achilles heal of us poor mortals - - We act as if we are separate and have failed to see one of the greater truths ever given to us. “What you do or say unto another so you do unto yourself.” It is so easy to see hypocrisy in another, most difficult to see in one self.

I am still new to the forum and in the short time I have been participating I have been very impressed, enlightened and moved by the genuine desire of the members to strip away the veils and falsehoods whether they be internal or external. To share information freely, to express and explore with others what may be driving us over the precipice. To help each other heal… This is a sacred place if we make it so by honoring what we all ultimately stand for - freedom.

There is a difficult road before us all, wouldn’t it be easier if we could realize that the primary defense of the power brokers and manipulators is to keep us separated and at each others throat.

We discredit ourselves so easily when we can’t allow for a differing point of view. All of our perceptions are subjective and everyone has something to share if we would listen without prejudice.

The Pledge of Avalon:

Being of sound mind, heart and spirit, we each declare the following to be true:

• We stand together for the future of the Human Race.
• We will not tolerate suppression of the truth.
• We stand together to support others in the expression of truths and freedom to speak out... no matter how radical those ideas may seem.
• Standing for freedom takes courage; together we shall be strong in the face of all odds.
• We will do everything we can to work towards the establishment of a new way of living together on Planet Earth.

Christine - La Tigra

[RunningDeer]

Hey foreverfan, I voted a Bush for President four times, don't feel too bad...

http://www.pic4ever.com/images/computer3.gif Oh, so you're the one that's caused all this mess.
You can run...but you can't hide. I'm watching you... Mr. Fred.


Uh oh, Fred, we're in trouble now. WhiteCrowBlackDeer is on our case.

(I voted for Bush four times too.)

Noooooo! Et tu, Paul? Beware...keep ya stash of Willard's Water, Himalayan Crystal Salt, and Kyocera Ceramic Salt and Pepper Grinders under lock and key.

See Paula pounce. Pounce. Pounce. Pounce.
See Paula leap. Leap. Leap. Leap.

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Animals/10fqgex7076621.GIF

[Ishtar]

Christine,

Why should this thread be deemed no longer useful just when the story is reaching its climax? I've just been listening to Drake and Rick Light explaining how it's now time for everyone to 'git her done', in complete contradistinction to what he was saying only a week or so ago about sitting back and watching the fireworks as the cavalry will do everything.

He is repeating today what he was saying on Sunday, that it is up to the people now and that they have to act now, with around three million militia men in readiness to act.

Why are some of you so uncomfortable about this discussion that you want to close the thread? If you don't think these discussions are of value, you don't have to come in here and read the posts.

Why are some of the mods always so quick to blame the 'naysayers' for 'hurling insults' when all they are doing is standing up for themselves when they are falsely accused by others? It was Dennis that said I was being 'silly and irrational' over a post he hadn't even read properly, and refused to re-read when I PM'ed him and Bill about their taking my quote and misrepresenting it. I haven't had a reply to my PM, nor an apology for misrepresenting me.

If you want to bring everyone together, then it would be preferable not to start by coming down on one side against the other. Both sides get heated, especially when they're misunderstood and misquoted.

But you don't need our permission... if you want to close the thread at this vital stage of the Drake drama, you have the right do so. But so long as it's here, people will discuss what's going on because it's not over yet by any means.

[Fred Steeves]

If you want to bring everyone together, then it would be preferable not to start by coming down on one side against the other. Both sides get heated, especially when they're misunderstood and misquoted.

But you don't need our permission... if you want to close the thread at this vital stage of the Drake drama, you have the right do so. But so long as it's here, people will discuss what's going on because it's not over yet by any means.

Hi Ishtar. Maybe Christina, as a very new mod, should have said the old: "Mod hat off". Beyond that, as far as I can tell, someone has merely offered a completely valid opinion, and the Drake thread is still open.

Cheers,
Fred

[Ishtar]

OK, thanks Fred ... and I have offered a completely valid opinion in return. :biggrin:

[9eagle9]

These sorts of admissions make things much clearer to me.

George Bush wasn't even up to speed on the whole PTB dealie he was involved with.






Hey foreverfan, I voted a Bush for President four times, don't feel too bad...

http://www.pic4ever.com/images/computer3.gif Oh, so you're the one that's caused all this mess.
You can run...but you can't hide. I'm watching you... Mr. Fred.


Uh oh, Fred, we're in trouble now. WhiteCrowBlackDeer is on our case.

(I voted for Bush four times too.)

[ThePythonicCow]

These sorts of admissions make things much clearer to me.
Careful, though, 9eagle9.

Just because I was an idiot last year, doesn't mean I can't be a different kind of idiot this year.

:) :cow: :)

[NancyV]

A thread is no longer useful once everyone stops posting in it or if it's closed because of extreme abuse, which is not happening here. We are adults here and if we can't stand the heat then we will be of NO help if and when the going gets really tough! If someone is done with this thread or any thread then they need not participate any more. That seems pretty simple instead of one or two people saying that because they are done with it, they think everyone else should be done with it and it should be closed.

This discussion will be over...when it's over, not when one or two people say it's over. It will be enough when it's enough. If the thread is closed because of an arbitrary decision by admin in response to those few who want to see it closed, or because admin is done with it, I would consider that to be rather excessively and unnecessarily controlling. This has been a very productive discussion on many levels.

It's all about free will. No one is forcing anyone to comment or read in this thread AND it's not over. The Drake movement is not over. It continues to morph into ever more interesting scenarios. It's a fascinating study of human nature on all sides of the game. The more we see how others act and react in certain situations, at every stage of the game, the more we know and understand them and ourselves. The winding down and ending are just as important as the beginning, sometimes MORE important. Until the coup de grace... the game continues.

[Unified Serenity]

A thread is no longer useful once everyone stops posting in it or if it's closed because of extreme abuse, which is not happening here. We are adults here and if we can't stand the heat then we will be of NO help if and when the going gets really tough! If someone is done with this thread or any thread then they need not participate any more. That seems pretty simple instead of one or two people saying that because they are done with it, they think everyone else should be done with it and it should be closed.

This discussion will be over...when it's over, not when one or two people say it's over. It will be enough when it's enough. If the thread is closed because of an arbitrary decision by admin in response to those few who want to see it closed, or because admin is done with it, I would consider that to be rather excessively and unnecessarily controlling. This has been a very productive discussion on many levels.

It's all about free will. No one is forcing anyone to comment or read in this thread AND it's not over. The Drake movement is not over. It continues to morph into ever more interesting scenarios. It's a fascinating study of human nature on all sides of the game. The more we see how others act and react in certain situations, at every stage of the game, the more we know and understand them and ourselves. The winding down and ending are just as important as the beginning, sometimes MORE important. Until the coup de grace... the game continues.


It is sort of like a bad car wreck or watching someone embarrass themselves in an extreme manner. I think that's why they want it closed. People don't want it to continue because they are possibly embarrassed and don't like that feeling. So be it, a little bit a embarrassment is good for the ego.

17398

[Christine]

Christine,

Why should this thread be deemed no longer useful just when the story is reaching its climax? I've just been listening to Drake and Rick Light explaining how it's now time for everyone to 'git her done', in complete contradistinction to what he was saying only a week or so ago about sitting back and watching the fireworks as the cavalry will do everything.

He is repeating today what he was saying on Sunday, that it is up to the people now and that they have to act now, with around three million militia men in readiness to act.

Why are some of you so uncomfortable about this discussion that you want to close the thread? If you don't think these discussions are of value, you don't have to come in here and read the posts.

Why are some of the mods always so quick to blame the 'naysayers' for 'hurling insults' when all they are doing is standing up for themselves when they are falsely accused by others? It was Dennis that said I was being 'silly and irrational' over a post he hadn't even read properly, and refused to re-read when I PM'ed him and Bill about their taking my quote and misrepresenting it. I haven't had a reply to my PM, nor an apology for misrepresenting me.

If you want to bring everyone together, then it would be preferable not to start by coming down on one side against the other. Both sides get heated, especially when they're misunderstood and misquoted.

But you don't need our permission... if you want to close the thread at this vital stage of the Drake drama, you have the right do so. But so long as it's here, people will discuss what's going on because it's not over yet by any means.

Hi Ishtar,

It is so difficult to carefully choose words that get the message across and to not have them misrepresented. I will try my best to answer what you ask and to clarify any misconceptions.

If the Drake thread continues is not up to me and I wouldn't vote to shut it down, as I have previously stated it has served us if we have achieved some understanding or learned something from the discussions.

I am not uncomfortable with the discussions at all - I have also voiced my opinion that Drake was either being used or deluded and the effect was to draw people away from more important problems confronting us. I actually agree with a lot of what you have written.

I do not believe I have taken sides.. I suppose if you want to divide us down a straight line I would be on your side :) of the Drake equation.

The purpose of my post was to ask that everyone - no one was called out - to take a few moments to consider the reason we are here on Project Avalon. There are no absolute rights or wrongs, only subjective experiences and hopefully the desire to share and be heard but also to listen and learn.

I can't answer for Dennis or Bill and it is not my place to even try. I would suggest a wee bit of patience. There is a lot going on elsewhere besides this thread.

If everyone would stop insulting each other - the mods could get on to other business, the thread will continue until it stops serving its purpose and we all can breath a sigh of relief.

My desire is that the discussion continues without the insults. That is all I have to say in a nutshell.

Thanks for all your contributions Ishtar.

Christine

[foreverfan]

Close the thread? You've got to be kidding me. The odds still looks 50/60 to me.


Drake Sunday Part 2 - Call to Action (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/global-voice-2012-radio-network/2012/07/17/drake-sunday-part-2)
Mon, July 16, 2012 07:00PM

So sorry our program was abruptly and mysteriously ended and there was no way to schedule another program Sunday. We will attempt to continue the news program this evening. Again, so sorry, this was out of our control.

[9eagle9]

What is the common denominator between one year to the next in spite of the differences?

Or more importantly what has changed precisely to make things different?




These sorts of admissions make things much clearer to me.
Careful, though, 9eagle9.

Just because I was an idiot last year, doesn't mean I can't be a different kind of idiot this year.

:) :cow: :)

[ThePythonicCow]

What is the common denominator between one year to the next in spite of the differences?

Or more importantly what has changed precisely to make things different?

Beat's me, 9eagle9.

[9eagle9]

So what is the essential common denominator between one frenzy raising guru we see with monotonous regularity, and the next?

Nothing they say ever happens.

The same people jump on the bandwagon each time.

The same people bawl those who don't jump on the bandwagon with them are negative and uneducated and insenstive.

The bandwagon never moves.

The same people climb off the bandwagon muttering about the the need for more sensitivity training in the world.

Another band wagon shows up....

But no one knows why nothing ever happens.

Because they keep doing the same thing over and over and over again.

[Fred Steeves]

Another band wagon shows up....

But no one knows why nothing ever happens.


http://www.huskerboard.com/public/style_emoticons/default/deadhorse.gif

[9eagle9]

Yes! Riding the coat tails of yet another verbal but essentially empty guru is beating a dead horse.
Yet in two months time we'll see it all over again.




Another band wagon shows up....

But no one knows why nothing ever happens.


http://www.huskerboard.com/public/style_emoticons/default/deadhorse.gif

[gripreaper]

LOL. This is just getting interesting. Drake is going to teach people how to do arrests!

The people are going to organize into militias and do citizens arrests. Please don't close this thread.

[foreverfan]

Good show with some great callers that asked some hard questions. Seems there are a lot of pissed people at the Government and are willing to take action, so we shall see. No shortage of callers. Drake does a good job of answering all questions. He certainly doesn't sound like he doesn't know what he's talking about or uninformed.

Evidently there are some Americans that still take Drake seriously even if this forum doesn't. The show continues.

If you are interested in the details, I suggest you listen to the audio.

[Christine]

LOL. This is just getting interesting. Drake is going to teach people how to do arrests!

The people are going to organize into militias and do citizens arrests. Please don't close this thread.

Don't worry - thread is open! Lets keep in interesting, I'm all for it!

[foreverfan]

LOL. This is just getting interesting. Drake is going to teach people how to do arrests!

The people are going to organize into militias and do citizens arrests. Please don't close this thread.

Yea Grim... it seems a few of us are listening. I keep waiting for Drake to sound like Bill Wood but much to his credit, he answers all questions like an informed individual. Whether you believe him are not, you have to admit, he does seem well prepared.

Seems they have been contacting the state militia groups. If the state militia groups get involved then maybe arrests will start to happen. One thing is for sure, there is enough people to throw in jail. Once it starts, who knows what will happen. Still... all of this stuff is so hard to believe.

Drake says he ain't going anywhere cause there is so much to be done.

[gripreaper]

Well, Drake just said there were critical people who did not show up at Bildergerger because the ET's snatched them!

[Bill Ryan]

LOL. This is just getting interesting. Drake is going to teach people how to do arrests!

The people are going to organize into militias and do citizens arrests. Please don't close this thread.

If this is a psy-op (as per Dennis's post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more&p=522089), I'm sure Drake is silly but sincere) -- it may be part of a strategy to justify rounding up all the militia and herding thousands of them straight into the FEMA camps as slam-dunk-proven domestic terrorists.

Remember Doug Hagmann's important article, and several interviews, in early May? He spoke of a senior DHS insider source who had told him that civil unrest was going to be deliberately provoked before the end of the summer.

http://infowars.com/we-are-preparing-for-massive-civil-war-says-dhs-informant

I agree... we should not close this thread.

[Carmody]

LOL. This is just getting interesting. Drake is going to teach people how to do arrests!

The people are going to organize into militias and do citizens arrests. Please don't close this thread.

If this is a psy-op (as per Dennis's post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more&p=522089), I'm sure Drake is silly but sincere) -- it may be part of a strategy to justify rounding up all the militia and herding thousands of them straight into the FEMA camps as slam-dunk-proven domestic terrorists.

Remember Doug Hagmann's interview with Alex Jones? He spoke of an insider source who had told him that civil unrest was going to be deliberately provoked before the end of the summer.

I agree... we should not close this thread.

In any war that goes from hidden to open.. you almost always loose your best first, as the ones who realize the realities and coming realities.... must hold the line so it does not go down the tubes..while the rest are waking up.

[foreverfan]

LOL. This is just getting interesting. Drake is going to teach people how to do arrests!

The people are going to organize into militias and do citizens arrests. Please don't close this thread.

If this is a psy-op (as per Dennis's post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more&p=522089), I'm sure Drake is silly but sincere) -- it may be part of a strategy to justify rounding up all the militia and herding thousands of them straight into the FEMA camps as slam-dunk-proven domestic terrorists.


Remember Doug Hagmann's interview with Alex Jones? He spoke of an insider source who had told him that civil unrest was going to be deliberately provoked before the end of the summer.

I agree... we should not close this thread.

Well maybe... just maybe... but what happens with the Military/Police/FBI and such wake up and refuse to fight Americans and/or state militia groups? You are either part of the problem or part of the solution. This is America and we hold out Freedom dear.

Many American know something is wrong and may be willing to follow a freedom movement. The "Throw the Bums Out" mentality is strong among Americans. Sure it's a long shot... One this is for sure... these people seem sincere.

If no arrest happen in 2 weeks.... forget it. LOL

[Carmody]

Yes! Riding the coat tails of yet another verbal but essentially empty guru is beating a dead horse.
Yet in two months time we'll see it all over again.




Another band wagon shows up....

But no one knows why nothing ever happens.


http://www.huskerboard.com/public/style_emoticons/default/deadhorse.gif

There is one advantage to the loss of 'steam', as it where. A larger and larger group of people who are harder to fool.

Those who get fooled, don't just fade away, even though they may not be heading into physical impetus the way they might have been. give them a few months. Let their brains rumble and roil, let them take on an understanding of what it means to be fooled, or led astray by their own projections.

They'll come back even stronger and more discerning and twice as committed.

They will only be a far more directed and effective arrow, if and when the time comes.

Psychologically speaking, I've been at this since I was 13, ie the idea that the truth and the realities are hidden, and this world is a sheen of..something. Nearly 35 years now. I know what I'm talking about.

What I mean is I know people who have given up on all the conspiracy stuff, or whatever, or never really got into it, at all. Even those people are ready to explode at the slightest provocation.

We are standing at the edge again.

[foreverfan]

[QUOTE=gripreaper;522616]Remember Doug Hagmann's important article, and several interviews, in early May? He spoke of a senior DHS insider source who had told him that civil unrest was going to be deliberately provoked before the end of the summer.

http://infowars.com/we-are-preparing-for-massive-civil-war-says-dhs-informant

Well like I've said before... if you are the Police/Military/Militia do you wait until a civil war or do you take the Cabal out now?

[Avocadess]

Regarding the contention that Drake is sincere but that he is being used in a psy op to round people up for FEMA camps -- I disagree, because there is nothing he has said or done that would cause people to meekly go ANYWHERE with armed police or troops. Personally, ever since Katrina I made up a policy for myself, and that is if and when anyone with a gun or rifle tells me to go anywhere, I'm going the opposite direction -- and they can shoot me in the back if they like, but I am NOT cooperating...!!!

I would like to clarify my statement from yesterday or the day before where I said I couldn't follow Drake's example because of the violence. I did NOT mean to imply that Drake is advocating violence, because he is NOT -- and he reminds people to remain calm and he reminds the civilian militia not to shoot at anyone without clarity and good reason and having been first attacked themselves. That is all well and good to me, but the reason I cannot listen to him much anymore is because he talks about how he would enjoy seeing certain evil members of the dark Cabal hang -- and how he would enjoy watching them hang. I can understand that Drake must have traumas from Vietnam that are not entirely resolved and that this violent anger comes from having witnessed such crimes to humanity that no one should ever have to witness. However, thoughts are things, and I cannot tolerate listening to such talk, even from people I might otherwise admire. Otherwise, I feel Drake is doing a good job which I know is and has not been an easy one, and I thank him for that! -- Avocadess

From Cobra:

"Keeping the Balance [posted Monday, July 16, 2012]

"I would like to bring to your attention the following astrological configuration happening tomorrow:

[see Cobra's website for the astrological image: http://2012portal.blogspot.com/ ]

"It is a cardinal grand cross involving Pluto, Uranus, Mars and the Moon. It is one of the most tense, violent, explosive and rigid configurations possible, yet holding a potential seed for a big breakthrough. This configuration will be effective to the end of this week. People are tired of waiting for the Positive Military and want to take matters in their own hands. It is a moment when the Archons would like to trick the population into a violent revolution.

"Therefore I would suggest everybody to remain calm and peaceful. Violence will not overthrow the Cabal. It is strategically unwise to attack the enemy where he is the strongest. Instead I would propose the people inside the freedom movement to co-create a grassroots master plan. You might want to take a look at this:

http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations98ce.html

"And this:

http://www.aeinstein.org/selfLiberation.html

http://www.aeinstein.org/selflib/PNV...r_Self_Lib.pdf

"The best immediate strategy would be to expose the Cabal and release lists with names of people and their past crimes to humanity. The surveillance videos and massive evidence that David Wilcock is speaking about would be most welcome at this point. And Assange could also leak something.

"I am sure you already know of the latest Drake’s show that was abruptly ended by the Cabal:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/global-...update--sunday

http://globalvoice2012.us/blog/2012/...-july-15-2012/

"People are asking me what to do about it. You are sovereign beings and you will make your own choices. I will report the events as they unfold and will give some background intel when appropriate.

"People are also asking the Resistance to intervene now directly in the situation on this planet. The Resistance is aware of the suffering of humanity and cries for help and will respond, but the extent and shape of their operations remain classified for now."

Posted by Cobra at 4:05 PM

[Ishtar]

From Cobra: "I am sure you already know of the latest Drake’s show that was abruptly ended by the Cabal..."

It was reported on the Drake Facebook page that Blog Talk Radio pulled the show, because they didn't want to be associated with Drake's proposals. That would make sense of why the second half of the show was on another radio station. I don't consider Blog Talk Radio to be the Cabal... but it would be handy for someone to say it was the Cabal if they wanted to make a martyr out of Drake.

[Anchor]

I liked your whole post, but this bit interests me..


On thing I find interesting about terrans is their belief that "free will" is some sort of spiritual trump card. Although free will is important to permit Source to experience Source, it is also important to understand that there are much larger forces at work here.

This is a function of freewill nonetheless - even if that will is one that we incarnates do not always appreciate.

It *is* a spiritual trump card if you have penetrated that which in the process of incarnation became the separating factor - then you have the whole will. This would be rare...

Another option is to find the resonance between the will you wield here on this side, with the will that resonates at large on the "other side". IMHO, it is possible to do this.

[9eagle9]

Free will occurs when people quit being terrified of the karma they don't have in the first place.

So they do things to avoid the karma they don't have in the first place and end up in the bed of people like Drake.

Who turn out to be really ****ty in bed, but they'll stay there anyway because he talks to them after he screws them.

Because their relationships with themselves are a wreck.

It is possible Anchor it's called synchronicity and manifestation. And some people call it being the flow and understand what they are talking about as opposed to those people who talk about being in the flow and don't understand its related to will and intuition and higher knowing.

It's easy to know when you are out of the flow but it's only easy to know that if you've ever had an opportunity to know it in the first place.

[Anchor]

Free will occurs when people quit being terrified of the karma they don't have in the first place.

So they do things to avoid the karma they don't have in the first place and end up in the bed of people like Drake.

Who turn out to be really ****ty in bed, but they'll stay there anyway because he talks to them after he screws them.

Because their relationships with themselves are a wreck.

It is possible Anchor it's called synchronicity and manifestation. And some people call it being the flow and understand what they are talking about as opposed to those people who talk about being in the flow and don't understand its related to will and intuition and higher knowing.

It's easy to know when you are out of the flow but it's only easy to know that if you've ever had an opportunity to know it in the first place.

I think we are agreeing again.

(Or we are not, I missed something which went right over my head)

Reads again.... thinks....

Thinks....

Naaa, we are agreeing.

Well, shucks... now what ;)

[modwiz]

Apparently Cobra seems to believe Assange is not a cabal stooge. Gordon Duff has busted him as a pzi-op since late 2010. Even Breszinski called him out. Breszinski may be a lizard, or not, but he can't stand sloppy and stupid. I think he is very misunderstood. Easy enough from a population who still thinks politics is real and are largely possessed of pre-pubescent emotional bodies.

Cobra has been interesting, but this Assange statement says something to me. Big deal, eh?:tape:

[Ishtar]

In any case, Cabal stooge or not, Assange can't do much while he's hiding in the Ecuador embassy. :behindsofa:

[foreverfan]

From Cobra: "I am sure you already know of the latest Drake’s show that was abruptly ended by the Cabal..."

It was reported on the Drake Facebook page that Blog Talk Radio pulled the show, because they didn't want to be associated with Drake's proposals. That would make sense of why the second half of the show was on another radio station. I don't consider Blog Talk Radio to be the Cabal... but it would be handy for someone to say it was the Cabal if they wanted to make a martyr out of Drake.

Depends on what you call the second part of the show. The second part of Sunday's show was posted and scheduled for Monday July 16 @ 7pm before the Sunday noon show even started. On Sunday, the last 20 minutes was cut off. Some people are making this into something it's not.

[aranuk]

Apparently Cobra seems to believe Assange is not a cabal stooge. Gordon Duff has busted him as a pzi-op since late 2010. Even Breszinski called him out. Breszinski may be a lizard, or not, but he can't stand sloppy and stupid. I think he is very misunderstood. Easy enough from a population who still thinks politics is real and are largely possessed of pre-pubescent emotional bodies.

Cobra has been interesting, but this Assange statement says something to me. Big deal, eh?:tape:

I too have the feeling that Assange is a tool for the cabal.

Stan

[Chester]

Well, Drake just said there were critical people who did not show up at Bildergerger because the ET's snatched them!

Hi Gripreaper... please, confirm to me... did he really say that?

If so, then I am of 100% certainty that all this is absolutely and only a clown show.

At least I can rest easier that it's less and less likely something that could result in martial law. It may result in some psychiatric commitments, but I doubt anyone anymore would take any of this at all seriously.

I feel bad for Drake because I believe he is a good hearted man. But the problem is that he is so heavily invested in all this, that it is a really hard thing to break out of the delusion. In fact, it appears he may actually be consciously lying at this point. Said from experience (unfortunately).

I put the odds of July 27th passing peacefully at about 50 - 1 and that may be a tad low.

justoneman

[Unified Serenity]

Hey Just one, the problem with these prophets of doom is we have a major event going on then, and if something does or does not happen really has no bearing on this so called prophet having any foreknowledge. It's a coin flip. I can prophecy that somewhere in my city there will be a car accident today. Ok, so what? Don't we have one every day? When I lived in Jacksonville Florida, it would rain at 4 pm nearly everyday in the summer, why ? Because it's a concrete jungle and the heat rising would condense due to the ocean right there, and by 4 pm it rained. So, it's nothing but being observant and people wanting to believe more in someone or something than is warranted.

Anyone believing Drake on anything super secret in the know now to me is the perfect example of "believing a lie, they were given over to strong delusion"

[NancyV]

I would like to clarify my statement from yesterday or the day before where I said I couldn't follow Drake's example because of the violence. I did NOT mean to imply that Drake is advocating violence, because he is NOT -- and he reminds people to remain calm and he reminds the civilian militia not to shoot at anyone without clarity and good reason and having been first attacked themselves. That is all well and good to me, but the reason I cannot listen to him much anymore is because he talks about how he would enjoy seeing certain evil members of the dark Cabal hang -- and how he would enjoy watching them hang. I can understand that Drake must have traumas from Vietnam that are not entirely resolved and that this violent anger comes from having witnessed such crimes to humanity that no one should ever have to witness. However, thoughts are things, and I cannot tolerate listening to such talk, even from people I might otherwise admire. Otherwise, I feel Drake is doing a good job which I know is and has not been an easy one, and I thank him for that! -- Avocadess
Drake is a violent man. He would not talk the way he does unless he was a violent man. No attempts from the new age types to make Drake fit into a peace/love philosophy and justify following him will make him anything other than he is. I have no problem with him being a violent man. The ability to deal with violence and to do violence is a valuable survival trait. Men who are survivors and who can protect their families ARE violent men and it's something to be admired not to make excuses for and try to fit into someone's peace/love fuzzy feel good philosophy.

This was always about a violent overthrow of the PTB/government/cabal. They won't go peacefully. There would have to be violence and killing... and violent men are always willing to risk their lives to do what they think is necessary, even if they're wrong. I guess anyone who believed this crap in the first place and who tried frantically to justify potential violence which conflicted with what they thought was their peace/love stance would be able to be easily fooled about most anything.

Having traumas from Vietnam is also no excuse, no matter how much of an excuse you seem to need to justify Drake's violence. HE is responsible for who he is. An aware person would not try to make excuse after excuse to take away a persons responsibility for themselves, their actions and their words. I'm sure Drake is very happy with who he is, but you don't seem to be. You need to view him as the wounded warrior who needs compassion and excuses for being who he is. He is who he is because that's who he chose to be in his present game here on earth.

Even though I think Drake is a deliberate liar and story teller in much of what he says, especially about mass arrests and ET's, I know if there ever is a violent revolution it will be men LIKE him (but hopefully not quite as deluded or deceptive) who will save the butts of the "children of light" who are too weak, mentally and physically, to fight for themselves. Of course AFTER their butts are saved they will likely condemn the "violent" men who saved them. Oh well...such is life here in 3D. Pretty funny when you think about it!

:peace::blah::bs::lalala:

[gripreaper]

Well, Drake just said there were critical people who did not show up at Bildergerger because the ET's snatched them!

Hi Gripreaper... please, confirm to me... did he really say that?

If so, then I am of 100% certainty that all this is absolutely and only a clown show.

At least I can rest easier that it's less and less likely something that could result in martial law. It may result in some psychiatric commitments, but I doubt anyone anymore would take any of this at all seriously.

I feel bad for Drake because I believe he is a good hearted man. But the problem is that he is so heavily invested in all this, that it is a really hard thing to break out of the delusion. In fact, it appears he may actually be consciously lying at this point. Said from experience (unfortunately).

I put the odds of July 27th passing peacefully at about 50 - 1 and that may be a tad low.

justoneman

Yes, he did say that, although he qualified it first with "I can't confirm this for sure as I don't have the evidence, but..."

Supposedly, as incitement for people to take matters into their own hands and inadvertently create civil unrest, under the auspices of being a good citizen and arresting the evil cabal, I find this new chapter quite telling about human nature and the very core of our wounded souls. After awhile the plot begins to sound like a B rated science fiction script being shopped around Hollywood for a low budget audience.

The desire for this planet to be a place of peace and prosperity, with empathic souls living in harmony, is imbedded in the very DNA of everyone here, although the propensity to attach this huge energy to different archetypes and allow that energy to be vampired by such symbiotic relationships is quite telling, and quite a study.

All over the internet we have this July 27-28th deadline:

1. An Olympic false flag, with the trappings of a Bluebeam style alien attack, to just a terrorist bombing, to a total all out trigger for the mother of all catastrophes encompassing all of the variants in play for the perfect storm, to roll out all of the NWO agenda.

2. the signing of draconian type global legislation through the UN, to completely strip sovereignty from Nation/States and give all power to the global body, to further enslave us.

3. And of course, the Drake deadline for mass arrests and the mobilization of any and all who are willing to take to the streets and effectuate "the plan" including good ET's coming up from underground to assist in Project Operation Omega Phoenix, to sprinkle Stardust is operation Stardust to render the cabal motionless, killed, and returned to the Great Central Sun.

All this at a time when the astrology is forming the "grand cross" in the heavens, an alignment which has not occurred in what, 26,000 years?

I would not be in the least bit surprised if all of the above were engineered by the cabal, and they do pull off some luciferian type ritual and trigger what they have been preparing for decades. You know how they like specific alignments, dates and numerology.

[TargeT]

All this at a time when the astrology is forming the "grand cross" in the heavens, an alignment which has not occurred in what, 26,000 years?

I would not be in the least bit surprised if all of the above were engineered by the cabal, and they do pull off some luciferian type ritual and trigger what they have been preparing for decades. You know how they like specific alignments, dates and numerology.


Couldn't have said it better myself; there have been waves of build up and let down; lots of attention focused on these dates (perhaps someone is gauging response?). It’s all very interesting, especially the moving target deadlines.

It seems that the more attention, the more “focus” these public spectacles garnish the “better” it is in the eyes of the people who put them on (we can assume there is a valid reason for this or the effort would not be taken).

As such, to do my part; I’ve taken to not thinking, focusing or at least down playing any and all such events; until I figure out something more productive todo. (haha)

[Avocadess]

July 17, 2012

Neil Keenan has given Drake permission to spread this press release. Please share:

From: Neil Keenan
To: 'Drake Bailey'
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Answers

Dear Drake,

Nice to know we are both alive brother. Last thing I remember is my reading I am dead. Hahahah.

As you know I do not like interviews and always toss someone else into the middle of them but let me explain this for you Drake. You keep asking me when will I refile and what date and to this there is no answer!!!

When I compile all the information I need in which I can kick the financial system in the ass and straighten it out then I will file. My main concern is Jurisdiction which is what the Judge also made mention of and clearly stated that he would throw the case out if we did not prove we have it. In order to do this I am going to expose the illegal banking system. Let them then tell me when the Federal Reserve Bank of NY is shown to be part and parcel to the theft. I will have the information to prove this.

Why did I withdraw the case? Because we did not have the Jurisdictional issue in place and I had no intention of showing my hand before I had to. Now I have the time to get what is needed to substantiate all the claims made.

Why didn’t I serve anyone during the past 6 months? Because we did not have all their addresses. What good does it do when Danielle Dal Bosco is being hid by the Vatican to serve the others. Dal Bosco is the key here and we now can reach out and grab him whenever we wish but first things first that being Jurisdiction.

Once we get things right we can close this system down on them as has already happened in BIS and then they will have nothing to fight with. The idea is to take the money out of their pockets. Without this they have no ability to hire the armies they need to deal with the real American People. The Kazars and Nazis will be left alone to themselves finding nary a dollar to buy what they need to protect themselves and then when weakened the American People can do as they wish with such garbage. It is just a matter of time.

They have hastened their movements and by doing so have hurt themselves throughout the world. Everyone is ready for them and ready to come at them especially our group. I cannot wait to get what is needed to just simply destroy them and give back to the people what has always been theirs.

We will be refiling and we will have new defendants most likely including the Federal Reserve Bank of NY and the US Treasury among them. We have plenty to include both and invoke jurisdiction.

Until then take care my friend and whenever you need some factual information if I have it then just ask. You are the people’s hero and you do your best all the while to give them what is real. Stay strong and stay safe.

Neil Keenan



************

[gripreaper]

Why did I withdraw the case? Because we did not have the Jurisdictional issue in place and I had no intention of showing my hand before I had to. Now I have the time to get what is needed to substantiate all the claims made.

Well, I said this the first day that this discussion arose here at this site, about jurisdiction.

Post 40, paragraph 4 back in January in the Wilcock Financial Tyranny Thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38595-FINANCIAL-TYRANNY-by-David-Wilcock/page2

Might as well reiterate here. A global jurisdiction would involve the Hague and the International Court. Such Jurisdiction is still OWNED by the cabal, and the entire court structure all over the world was put in place to protect nobility, and the judges and ALL attorneys have first allegiance to the Vatican and their agents. PERIOD!

So, good luck with the jurisdictional issue. Good luck adjudicating the elite criminals in their own tribunal!

As far as I know, there is no jurisdiction outside of the cabalistic courts. I know, I know, people are going to say that we have Common Law venue and all we have to do is re-establish it, dust off the cobwebs and fire it up. I'm sure the elite will just stand down and watch this happen. :rolleyes:

[edit] Oh, but the cabal does not have to submit to the Common Law adjudication, and that will cause an automatic default and judgment, which when handed to the military, will compel them to act on behalf of the people.

OK, let's see if this is true. OR, the cabal could say: Here's what I think of your little kangaroo Common Law judgment, and release a bioweapon and knock out two thirds of us, or just put a choke hold on the global economy until we beg them to do whatever they want with us.

But of course, the ET's wont let this happen. Anyone want to edit the script before I send it off to Hollywood?

[Ishtar]

Sooooo...if I'm reading you right, Grip, Neil Keenan won't be able to serve his liens designed to topple the evil cabal until after Drake and the ETs have won the revolution, trounced the evil cabal and established Common Law... by which time, we won't need Neil Keenan's liens anyway!

Or did I miss something? :confused:

[Unified Serenity]

At what point do you people feel someone is yanking your chain? I am not being a smart a$$, I mean this sincerely. These people who control the courts, governments, media, military, banks, are somehow going to let you / me mere peons take them to court. This scene pops into my head

sZrgxHvNNUc


and this

DLJ_GoUkGy0

Do you all really think there is some legal means to take back control?

[gripreaper]

Sooooo...if I'm reading you right, Grip, Neil Keenan won't be able to serve his liens designed to topple the evil cabal until after Drake and the ETs have won the revolution, trounced the evil cabal and established Common Law... by which time, we won't need Neil Keenan's liens anyway!

Or did I miss something? :confused:

No. Keenan, with the help of Winston Shrout, already sent private Administrative Notice to the world court complete with affidavits and liens. Once Keenan realized his judicial documents would not work in New York, he was led down the rosy Administrative path. The challenge with this, is who is going to enforce an Administrative "Notice"? No court anywhere in the world has taken the 1946 Administrative Procedures Act (which was an Act of the US Congress) and enforced it ANYWHERE judicially. I've reiterated this over and over and over until I am blue in the face, and it's still not getting through.

The Administrative Procedure was put in place so two parties who are in conflict could "play nice" before they get to an impasse and need to "go to guns" and start a Judicial process. It's NOT recognized by any court except: "Hey did you guys try and work it out? Yes your honor, but we could not reach an agreement, and that is why we are here. Well good then, let us proceed."

[modwiz]

Sooooo...if I'm reading you right, Grip, Neil Keenan won't be able to serve his liens designed to topple the evil cabal until after Drake and the ETs have won the revolution, trounced the evil cabal and established Common Law... by which time, we won't need Neil Keenan's liens anyway!

Or did I miss something? :confused:

No. Keenan, with the help of Winston Shrout, already sent private Administrative Notice to the world court complete with affidavits and liens. Once Keenan realized his judicial documents would not work in New York, he was led down the rosy Administrative path. The challenge with this, is who is going to enforce an Administrative "Notice"? No court anywhere in the world has taken the 1946 Administrative Procedures Act (which was an Act of the US Congress) and enforced it ANYWHERE judicially. I've reiterated this over and over and over until I am blue in the face, and it's still not getting through.

Your perseverance is very much appreciated by me. Your balanced and informative contributions to this thread have been invaluable, IMO.

Thank you.

[Fred Steeves]

The Kazars and Nazis will be left alone to themselves finding nary a dollar to buy what they need to protect themselves and then when weakened the American People can do as they wish with such garbage.


Avocadess, this is French Revolution type talk. Guillotines in major town squares across America doesn't strike me as a bold and positive step forward. Please consider what this man is insinuating.

[9eagle9]

Hiring our own prison guards.

(raises hand..I'll volunteer but by will you pay out the arse for it)

[foreverfan]

Does anybody think you are going to beat the Cabal my meditation or by singing Kumbaya.

If so... well... you may want to think again.

They have us controlled with their thugs who the last I looked have.... guns. Sorry to say that it's going to take guns by REAL PEOPLE to earn our freedom back. We are in a REAL PLANE and sorry... but it's going to take REAL MEASURES. Personally, I don't care how many 100th monkeys you get. It's still going to take REAL ACTION. Hopefully nobody will get killed, but the PRICE OF FREEDOM has always been paved by BLOOD. Sorry if this FACT upsets you. It doesn't make it any less of a fact.

[modwiz]

The Kazars and Nazis will be left alone to themselves finding nary a dollar to buy what they need to protect themselves and then when weakened the American People can do as they wish with such garbage.


Avocadess, this is French Revolution type talk. Guillotines in major town squares across America doesn't strike me as a bold and positive step forward. Please consider what this man is insinuating.

The French Revolution was cheerled by the same group who brought us the Bolshevik Revolution and the hundreds of millions dead in the wake of the march of communism across Eurasia. The Civil War or War of Northern Agression was similarly brought to us by the same parasitic types, the Bankers. All of the instigators of these movements are connected and their bloody, culture destroying, trail is their signature.

The American Revolution was a war against these types (largely) and did not come with the same bloody massacres, death by famine and cultural devastation. So, I think there could be some Old West type short term venting in some instances, but I think pillories, very ripe produce and maybe the occasional tossed bedpan would be more our style.

Ostracizing and identifying of scoundrels would be useful. Prisons? No truly civilized society has them. They are wasteful and unproductive, only useful for containing people who society would be better off without. The natural world does not contain its' problems. She 'deals' with them. Insects are sent to tear down produce that would pass on inferior genetic information. It is a form of hygiene for both the general gene pool and the world/society at large. There is something to karma, but much of our programming around the concept is just that. Programming. Put there by the controllers to try and mitigate such times when 'hygiene' is called for. Their concept of karma gets into our heads and stays many a hand that would serve to enact what Nature Herself knows to be both wise and necessary for the greater good.

I do not fear for a French Revolution type scenario. The perps are now the targets rather than the instigators. They will not advocate for their own eradication. Guaranteed.

[Fred Steeves]

The Kazars and Nazis will be left alone to themselves finding nary a dollar to buy what they need to protect themselves and then when weakened the American People can do as they wish with such garbage.


Avocadess, this is French Revolution type talk. Guillotines in major town squares across America doesn't strike me as a bold and positive step forward. Please consider what this man is insinuating.


I do not fear for a French Revolution type scenario. The perps are now the targets rather than the instigators. They will not advocate for their own eradication. Guaranteed.

I don't "fear" a French Revolution Rad, it's just more of a been there done that type of thing. Even though I'm well able to defend myself, the bottom line is the bottom line, war never equals peace. It fails miserably every time it's tried. Please explain otherwise.

Peace Bro,
Fred

[modwiz]

The Kazars and Nazis will be left alone to themselves finding nary a dollar to buy what they need to protect themselves and then when weakened the American People can do as they wish with such garbage.


Avocadess, this is French Revolution type talk. Guillotines in major town squares across America doesn't strike me as a bold and positive step forward. Please consider what this man is insinuating.


I do not fear for a French Revolution type scenario. The perps are now the targets rather than the instigators. They will not advocate for their own eradication. Guaranteed.

I don't "fear" a French Revolution Rad, it's just more of a been there done that type of thing. Even though I'm well able to defend myself, the bottom line is the bottom line, war never equals peace. It fails miserably every time it's tried. Please explain otherwise.

Peace Bro,
Fred

I see my nuanced style is still goobletygook to some. I will leave what I said just as it is. If it just lies there, so be it. The Soviet Union changed rather peacefully, as did Romania, Czechoslovakia, (that's what it was called then) and some other countries.

Agreed war does not equal peace and I am unaware of advocating one by using some historical examples to make points. Insects to not make war on sub-standard crops, they make them go away because they represent a threat to the general good. Hygiene is not war, it is the way of healthy living. I know there is some room in my words, but what gets put in those spaces is in the mind of the creators of those fillings. Much of it put in minds by media of all sorts and the programs that are part and parcel of them.

[Fred Steeves]

Hygiene is not war, it is the way of healthy living.

That is a good and valid point Modwiz, we are observing multiple levels of the same thing.

Funny that. :smokin:

[Hervé]

The Kazars and Nazis will be left alone to themselves finding nary a dollar to buy what they need to protect themselves and then when weakened the American People can do as they wish with such garbage.


Avocadess, this is French Revolution type talk. Guillotines in major town squares across America doesn't strike me as a bold and positive step forward. Please consider what this man is insinuating.


I do not fear for a French Revolution type scenario. The perps are now the targets rather than the instigators. They will not advocate for their own eradication. Guaranteed.

I don't "fear" a French Revolution Rad, it's just more of a been there done that type of thing. Even though I'm well able to defend myself, the bottom line is the bottom line, war never equals peace. It fails miserably every time it's tried. Please explain otherwise.

Peace Bro,
Fred

I do :scared: ...

Because that wasn't a revolution... it just was a "purge" of the contenders to this planet's "throne."

So... to repeat myself:


[...]

Taken from: France Didn't Have a Revolution (http://www.henrymakow.com/french_revolution_wasnt_a_revo.html)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png Before1919 when Nesta B. Webster published her history of the French tragedy, there was nothing in English except Thomas Carlyle's The French Revolution (1837). In her preface to The French Revolution: A Study in Democracy (1919) she expressed shock. "So far, in England, the truth is not known; we have not even been told what really happened.

Histories still teach that before the French Revolution the French aristocracy kept the peasantry hungry and desperate without any real hope or direction for the future. In her work, Webster explodes these notions regarding peasant misery before 1789 with the letters of Dr. Rigby who traveled through the French countryside in 1789 and who described "its extraordinary fertility" and its "state of the highest cultivation."

"The crops are beyond any conception I could have had of them ,,, tens of thousands of acres of wheat superior to any that can be produced in England..." He described the French people as happy, prosperous and contented. (pp. 4-5)

Yet in the midst of this abundance there was famine. It triggered the French Revolution just like the unrest today in the Middle East. And we are still taught that upon hearing of the starving French peasantry, Louis XVI's wife, Queen Marie Antoinette remarked,"Let them eat cake." This bogus quotation is used to color the French aristocrats as out of touch. In fact Marie Antoinette blamed England. She knew what was happening.

And Americans today like Webster, have blinders on when it came to their own government's dishonorable foreign policy. Webster refused to hold her English Government responsible notwithstanding the overwhelmingly damning evidence.

"What, then, is the explanation of the belief in English cooperation with the revolutionary movement? Of the English guineas found on the rioters? Of the Englishmen mingling in the mobs of Paris during popular agitations? Of the seditious pamphlets printed in London? Of the traffic in letters, messages, and money maintained between England and the revolutionary leaders? Many of these leaders were constantly in England both before and during the Revolution... These facts admit of no denial: to suppose, however, any complicity on the part of the English Government is illogical and absurd." pp.30-31

A Royalist historian and contemporary of the worst atrocities, Felix Louis Montjoie, copiously documented the role of French King Louis XVI's cousin, the Freemason Duc d'Orleans, who bought up large portions of the French grain in 1789. This role backfired on him as he was guillotined in Nov. 1793.

Later historians document the role of Pitt, the English Parliament and the King's Privy Counsel in hoarding French grain with the aid of the Illuminati British East India Company in warehouses on the English Channel Islands of Guernsey and Jersey. ("Why the French Did Not Have an American Revolution," by Pierre Beaudry, p. 5.)

[...]

In the words of John Robison in his Proofs of a Conspiracy (1797)

"The earlier revolutionary leaders were, as we have seen, the disciples of the German Illuminati, and it was they who initiated them into the art of forming political committees " to carry through the great plan of a general overturning of religion and government . . . .These committees arose from the Illuminati in Bavaria . . . and these committees produced the Jacobin Club."

"The chief lesson," Robison goes on to observe, "that the revolutionary leaders took from Germany, was the method of doing business, of managing their own correspondence, and of procuring and training pupils." pp. 190-191

The Illuminati operating in the guise of the Jacobins forced the regime change historians call the French Revolution. During the Russian Revolution they masqueraded as the Bolsheviks. Today they brag they are behind the Middle East revolutions. So maybe we should believe them.
.---
(just like the Russian Revolution of 1917 (http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-bolshevik-rev.html))http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png

[Hervé]

[...]
I do :scared: ...

Because that wasn't a revolution... it just was a "purge" of the contenders to this planet's "throne."

[...]

Then the next purge came and went in spite of this warning:


Perspective...



These words were written in 1935, by someone about everyone has heard of:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png The Son of the Beast let the wild beasts loose. And Europe collapses like a statue of mud. The sea kills under water and the sky spits fire. And where boots and nails arrive, the sons of Israel meet torment. Sheepyards for their pains and subtle death. The headsmen know, they will lie at Nuremberg.

Always look for the headsmen, even when you think they are dead. Look for them everywhere where power uses terror. Look for them in the house of the one whose wealth came from the war. Not for revenge, but to prevent they and their children invade the world once again by disguising the word and the chief. The Son of the Beast holds the great weapon in his heart.

Fights in the mountains, red and white, climb down the flowers. Europe, those are your best sons, who, one day will be betrayed. Because the heads they thought they fell will lead again, always the same. They will shoot down the money's puppets, not the money's bosses

Nuremberg the injust. The killers are absent. Some of them on the judges' bench. This shadow spreads far.

[...]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png

Prophecies, Angelo Roncalli in 1935.

* (America; the sons of Luther are the Americans in Roncalli's speech, from the Protestants who came to America to escape religious persecutions; as well, the French are the "Sons of Jeanne [d'Arc]")

That Angelo Roncalli guy... well, he is the one who, after WWII, became Pope John XXIII.

Excerpts from "Les prophéties du pape Jean XXIII," Pier Carpi, Ed "J'ai Lu." Translation: bibi.

Edit:

I emphasized "always the same" because "they" keep coming back in new or "other' bodies...

[9eagle9]

Tearing down certain aspects of the human genome could be considered hygiene as well. or that uncomfortable notion of paring down to a certain amount of beings on earth. It's been done with other creatures who live on this earth but when it comes to humanity the thought is unthinkable. And its not that the earth is that tender and beleagured or " Gaia Crying" ,(She is the last female I know that is found weeping into her beer) its because its just unneccesary to have that many parasitical beings concentrated in one area.

History has shown us ...She doesn't care about EVERY-body. Or at least care in the way they'd like Her to.

I know people are outraged by thought of it but She always has the the janitorial service running. People don't notice how much the janitorial service is always running. People don't notice the janitorial service running in this thread.

I would know that if the ptb is gonna come down as they will, She cleans up **** in Her own, an equal number of people don't think they are associated with the energy are going to not be around either. And those would be the ones who are outraged at the notion that should fall.

the whole notion of the ptb mass exterminating people is just mimcry of what She eventually gets around to;She just happens to know when the optimal conditions to do so should be achieved. The ptb on the other hand try force things.








The Kazars and Nazis will be left alone to themselves finding nary a dollar to buy what they need to protect themselves and then when weakened the American People can do as they wish with such garbage.


Avocadess, this is French Revolution type talk. Guillotines in major town squares across America doesn't strike me as a bold and positive step forward. Please consider what this man is insinuating.

The French Revolution was cheerled by the same group who brought us the Bolshevik Revolution and the hundreds of millions dead in the wake of the march of communism across Eurasia. The Civil War or War of Northern Agression was similarly brought to us by the same parasitic types, the Bankers. All of the instigators of these movements are connected and their bloody, culture destroying, trail is their signature.

The American Revolution was a war against these types (largely) and did not come with the same bloody massacres, death by famine and cultural devastation. So, I think there could be some Old West type short term venting in some instances, but I think pillories, very ripe produce and maybe the occasional tossed bedpan would be more our style.

Ostracizing and identifying of scoundrels would be useful. Prisons? No truly civilized society has them. They are wasteful and unproductive, only useful for containing people who society would be better off without. The natural world does not contain its' problems. She 'deals' with them. Insects are sent to tear down produce that would pass on inferior genetic information. It is a form of hygiene for both the general gene pool and the world/society at large. There is something to karma, but much of our programming around the concept is just that. Programming. Put there by the controllers to try and mitigate such times when 'hygiene' is called for. Their concept of karma gets into our heads and stays many a hand that would serve to enact what Nature Herself knows to be both wise and necessary for the greater good.

I do not fear for a French Revolution type scenario. The perps are now the targets rather than the instigators. They will not advocate for their own eradication. Guaranteed.

[Ishtar]

The predatory cycle within Nature is necessary to the health of the Planet. Those animals and insects are fulfilling their purpose of preying upon the species below them in the food chain. We are also part of the predatory cycle in that we prey upon other animal species below us in the food chain (unless we're vegetarian). But there are very few animals that kill their own species... it does happen, but it's rare. I think this is where the reptoid agenda has come from. If revolutionaries can be convinced that the 'evil cabal' are not of our species, then they will be more easily able kill them. (This, by the way, is standard Army training... new recruits are brainwashed into calling the enemy names in order to dehumanise them).

Violence towards fellow members of the same species is usually heavily ritualised in that they rarely go in for the kill. Everyone knows the rules and they stick to them. They just tend to strut around, trumpet and clash horns, and eventually the loser retreats and the winner gets the top lady.

If we take it upon ourselves to start killing members of our own species that we don't like, people will start settling old personal scores right, left and centre. Without the ritualised violence of war, it will be chaos .. there will untold bloodshed and for no good reason because then another of Nature's laws will come into play. Nature abhors a vacuum and so the power vacuum will be filled with the biggest bully and loudest voice, and we will be back in the old cycle again of perpetual war with 'peace' just being an interval between wars to give armies time to prepare and replenish, as it has been the case for thousands of years.

When the sacred texts, like the Vedas, talk about a Golden Age, they're talking about a change in consciousness which can only happen on the individual level by each sovereign person changing themselves, through transforming their consciousness, and the techniques are taught them to do so. No political movement or religion, however seemingly righteous, can help us transform our consciousness. It is done on the individual level.

A change in consciousness leads to different behaviour and different ways of solving problems. The Age or Yuga we're in, according to the Vedas, is known as Kali Yuga or the Iron Age, which represents the violent goddess Kali, Mars and war and it is the Darkest Age.


Kali
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Lx5cilwvi-k/TV1x81i_iiI/AAAAAAAAABU/yZdriryScRI/s1600/Kali.2.jpeg

If we use Kali and Mars energy to solve the problem of 'the evil cabal', we will be using Dark Age consciousness and technology and therefore, we cannot expect there to be any change or any Golden Age.

In my view, violence within a species and towards its own species is a sign of a sick species. Not that that's a criticism of the soldiers or people we ask to do our violence for us. On the contrary. They are only doing our bidding and many of them are very courageous. But I believe that we cannot get the result of a Golden Age using Iron Age consciousness and technology, and any revolutionary leader like Drake who tells us that we can is either lying to us or lying to themselves.

[SilentFeathers]

The predatory cycle within Nature is necessary to the health of the Planet. Those animals and insects are fulfilling their purpose of preying upon the species below them in the food chain. We are also part of the predatory cycle in that we prey upon other animal species below us in the food chain (unless we're vegetarian). But there are very few animals that kill their own species... it does happen, but it's rare. I think this is where the reptoid agenda has come from. If revolutionaries can be convinced that the 'evil cabal' are not of our species, then they will be more easily able kill them. (This, by the way, is standard Army training... new recruits are brainwashed into calling the enemy names in order to dehumanise them).

Violence towards fellow members of the same species is usually heavily ritualised in that they rarely go in for the kill. Everyone knows the rules and they stick to them. They just tend to strut around, trumpet and clash horns, and eventually the loser retreats and the winner gets the top lady.

If we take it upon ourselves to start killing members of our own species that we don't like, people will start settling old personal scores right, left and centre. Without the ritualised violence of war, it will be chaos .. there will untold bloodshed and for no good reason because then another of Nature's laws will come into play. Nature abhors a vacuum and so the power vacuum will be filled with the biggest bully and loudest voice, and we will be back in the old cycle again of perpetual war with 'peace' just being an interval between wars to give armies time to prepare and replenish, as it has been the case for thousands of years.

When the sacred texts, like the Vedas, talk about a Golden Age, they're talking about a change in consciousness which can only happen on the individual level by each sovereign person changing themselves, through transforming their consciousness, and the techniques are taught them to do so. No political movement or religion, however seemingly righteous, can help us transform our consciousness. It is done on the individual level.

A change in consciousness leads to different behaviour and different ways of solving problems. The Age or Yuga we're in, according to the Vedas, is known as Kali Yuga or the Iron Age, which represents the violent goddess Kali, Mars and war and it is the Darkest Age.


Kali
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Lx5cilwvi-k/TV1x81i_iiI/AAAAAAAAABU/yZdriryScRI/s1600/Kali.2.jpeg

If we use Kali and Mars energy to solve the problem of 'the evil cabal', we will be using Dark Age consciousness and technology and therefore, we cannot expect there to be any change or any Golden Age.

In my view, violence within a species and towards its own species is a sign of a sick species. Not that that's a criticism of the soldiers or people we ask to do our violence for us. On the contrary. They are only doing our bidding and many of them are very courageous. But I believe that we cannot get the result of a Golden Age using Iron Age consciousness and technology, and any revolutionary leader like Drake who tells us that we can is either lying to us or lying to themselves.

QUOTE

…man differs from the animal by the fact that he is a killer; he the only primate that kills and tortures members of his own species without any reason, either biological or economic, and who feels satisfaction in doing so. It is this biologically non-adaptive and non-phylogenetically programmed "malignant" aggression that constitutes the real problem and the danger to man’s existence as a species...The most ample – and horrifying – documentation for seemingly spontaneous forms of destructiveness are on the record of civilized history. The history of war is a report of ruthless and indiscriminate killing and torture, whose victims were men, women, and children. Many of these occurrences give the impression of orgies of destruction, in which neither conventional nor genuinely moral factors had any inhibitory effect…There is hardly a destructive act human imagination could think of that has not been acted out again and again - Erich Fromm (Anatomy of Human Destructiveness)

[9eagle9]

Unfortunately man has taught some breeds of animals, particularly dogs, they have domesticated to be wanton killers--killing for pleasure. Here in the country is not unusual for foxes and racoons to make off with the barnyard chickens which they consume for continued existence. It's also not unusual for a dog to come rampaging in , kill all of one's chickens, and then leave them dead where they lay.

Cats play with their prey because its been thousands of years since they hunted naturally and tend to savor and prolong the hunt.

Horses developed food aggressions by being domesticated by man and offered processed grains. The sugar content in processed grains is like crack to some horses, and tends to cause a otherwise gentle horse to bite the hand that feeds it. Horses didn't crib until they were deprived a natural existence.

We are in a certain sense given them OUR minds over a long period of association in domestication.

As far as what we eat we have to kill something in order to live whether its a plant or an animal. Agriculture has perverted both sources of food. Forced growing en masse not just because there's a much larger population but because people eat in excess for pleasure and for comfort---both parasitical practices. Not to say one shouldn't enjoy one's food but there's a threshold where one moves from enjoying one's food to being dependent on food for pleasure and comfort and to instantly gratify hunger or an empty space inside them.

We created a space for this sort of paradigm , particularly expressed through fast food. In order for it to be cheap, it has to be cheap food--processed GMO food. Healthy fast food is not going to be cheap. It has to be fast because parasites want instant gratification. People want instant gratification. We created that space and we hold it. We want cheap and fast so ....we ask for our own poison. We want 12-21-12 to be an instant fix.

Think of the outcry if McDonalds provided expensive, fast healthy food...oh my that would be so wrong too.

Mind I'm not a fan of fast food conglomerates but they are really only giving what we are asking for, and in doing that if they make us unhealthy another aspect of the FDA, the drug portion of it will provide instant miracle pills to 'treat' what is wrong for us. We create a space and someone/something will come along and fill it. This is why I say that people will walk right into FEMA workcamps, it will provide instant fix and gratification for what they percieve they don't have.

We create and hold that space . People who choose Drake scenarios are not being driven by their own wherewithall but by parasitical energies. AND they want it all--they want respect for that. And there's those who just point out an infection is being spread which tends to be not the most pleasant scenario but the most responsible one when the herd goes into parasite reaction.

The Drake 'instant' fix where the military and Pentagon all suddenly just transform and get on the right path, and do the right thing on July 4 reflects a parastitical situation. The people who laud that sort of inane thinking create and hold that space. You see now in spite of it all there are still people attempting to hold that space much the same way some would be waiting in their car at the drive through if the local McDonalds burnt to the ground waiting for something to happen.

Those who attempted to take that low vibrational feed away were chastised as negative. Those who treat drug addictions are viewed that way by the drug addicts. Those who attempt to abate alcohol dependency are viewed as wrong, judgemental and negative by the alcoholic who thinks that there is nothing wrong with them.

And is also just a further reflection of Wilcocks, instant fix of 12-21-12 where everything just magickally corrects its---is just another facet of the parasitical symptoms.

When people start correcting themselves, and detaching from their own parasitical habits and mindsets, then things will actually begin to correct on their own. When we start correcting 'the mind' they have given us, instead of SPREADING it, things will start to self correct. It's not instant, but it is gratifying and one is fed from an inner natural place rather than an artificial external one that just serves to keep this parastical system in place.

See how quickly Wilcocks began detaching from Drake when it began to look like Drake wasn't going to provide him with some platform for 'star prophecy'? Or be the vehicle in which brought all DW's predictions to pass?

Parastical. So when people get into the real heart of the matter and just see a frenzy of parasitical sucking, and point out that the ones jumping on the bandwagon of the dog and pony show, are the actual contributors to what ails us, are engaging in parasticial behavior, those who create a space and hold what ails us, those who are doing it get offended and reactive because they are in fact engaging in parasitical behavior.

What is the reaction typically when a person finds a great big blood laden leech attached to them?

Is it any wonder that some have the same sort of reaction to the Drake situation?

The Drake adherents if they are capable of learning anything can then know why they are not treated as a participant towards solution but a re-creator of the problem.











The predatory cycle within Nature is necessary to the health of the Planet. Those animals and insects are fulfilling their purpose of preying upon the species below them in the food chain. We are also part of the predatory cycle in that we prey upon other animal species below us in the food chain (unless we're vegetarian). But there are very few animals that kill their own species... it does happen, but it's rare. I think this is where the reptoid agenda has come from. If revolutionaries can be convinced that the 'evil cabal' are not of our species, then they will be more easily able kill them. (This, by the way, is standard Army training... new recruits are brainwashed into calling the enemy names in order to dehumanise them).

Violence towards fellow members of the same species is usually heavily ritualised in that they rarely go in for the kill. Everyone knows the rules and they stick to them. They just tend to strut around, trumpet and clash horns, and eventually the loser retreats and the winner gets the top lady.

If we take it upon ourselves to start killing members of our own species that we don't like, people will start settling old personal scores right, left and centre. Without the ritualised violence of war, it will be chaos .. there will untold bloodshed and for no good reason because then another of Nature's laws will come into play. Nature abhors a vacuum and so the power vacuum will be filled with the biggest bully and loudest voice, and we will be back in the old cycle again of perpetual war with 'peace' just being an interval between wars to give armies time to prepare and replenish, as it has been the case for thousands of years.

When the sacred texts, like the Vedas, talk about a Golden Age, they're talking about a change in consciousness which can only happen on the individual level by each sovereign person changing themselves, through transforming their consciousness, and the techniques are taught them to do so. No political movement or religion, however seemingly righteous, can help us transform our consciousness. It is done on the individual level.

A change in consciousness leads to different behaviour and different ways of solving problems. The Age or Yuga we're in, according to the Vedas, is known as Kali Yuga or the Iron Age, which represents the violent goddess Kali, Mars and war and it is the Darkest Age.


Kali
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Lx5cilwvi-k/TV1x81i_iiI/AAAAAAAAABU/yZdriryScRI/s1600/Kali.2.jpeg

If we use Kali and Mars energy to solve the problem of 'the evil cabal', we will be using Dark Age consciousness and technology and therefore, we cannot expect there to be any change or any Golden Age.

In my view, violence within a species and towards its own species is a sign of a sick species. Not that that's a criticism of the soldiers or people we ask to do our violence for us. On the contrary. They are only doing our bidding and many of them are very courageous. But I believe that we cannot get the result of a Golden Age using Iron Age consciousness and technology, and any revolutionary leader like Drake who tells us that we can is either lying to us or lying to themselves.

QUOTE

…man differs from the animal by the fact that he is a killer; he the only primate that kills and tortures members of his own species without any reason, either biological or economic, and who feels satisfaction in doing so. It is this biologically non-adaptive and non-phylogenetically programmed "malignant" aggression that constitutes the real problem and the danger to man’s existence as a species...The most ample – and horrifying – documentation for seemingly spontaneous forms of destructiveness are on the record of civilized history. The history of war is a report of ruthless and indiscriminate killing and torture, whose victims were men, women, and children. Many of these occurrences give the impression of orgies of destruction, in which neither conventional nor genuinely moral factors had any inhibitory effect…There is hardly a destructive act human imagination could think of that has not been acted out again and again - Erich Fromm (Anatomy of Human Destructiveness)

[Unified Serenity]

QUOTE

…man differs from the animal by the fact that he is a killer; he the only primate that kills and tortures members of his own species without any reason, either biological or economic, and who feels satisfaction in doing so. It is this biologically non-adaptive and non-phylogenetically programmed "malignant" aggression that constitutes the real problem and the danger to man’s existence as a species...The most ample – and horrifying – documentation for seemingly spontaneous forms of destructiveness are on the record of civilized history. The history of war is a report of ruthless and indiscriminate killing and torture, whose victims were men, women, and children. Many of these occurrences give the impression of orgies of destruction, in which neither conventional nor genuinely moral factors had any inhibitory effect…There is hardly a destructive act human imagination could think of that has not been acted out again and again - Erich Fromm (Anatomy of Human Destructiveness)



It's a nice thought, but that's not how I saw monkeys act. One monkey killed another for what seemed like no reason, and gloated over it, tossing it's body. I love documentaries, and there are some very odd behaviors in the animal kingdom. One documentary showed a group of rogue dolphins harassing a young female dolphin and repeatedly raping her. At least that's what the expert said, as it was not normal mating behavior. I just don't think it's as easy an explanation and the animal kingdom is much more complicated than this.

[Hervé]

All right, time for a refresher:



Twilight Of The Psychopaths

by Dr. Kevin Barrett
Spanish version (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_ponerology09.htm)


“Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it.”
– John Lennon, before his murder by CIA mind-control subject Mark David Chapman

When Gandhi was asked his opinion of Western civilization he said it would be a good idea. But that oft-cited quote, is misleading, assuming as it does that civilization is an unmitigated blessing.

Civilized people, we are told, live peacefully and cooperatively with their fellows, sharing the necessary labour in order to obtain the leisure to develop arts and sciences. And while that would be a good idea, it is not a good description of what has been going on in the so-called advanced cultures during the past 8,000 years.

Civilization, as we know it, is largely the creation of psychopaths. All civilizations, our own included, have been based on slavery and “warfare.” Incidentally, the latter term is a euphemism for mass murder.

The prevailing recipe for civilization is simple:
1. Use lies and brainwashing to create an army of controlled, systematic mass murderers
2. Use that army to enslave large numbers of people (i.e. seize control of their labour power and its fruits)
3. Use that slave labour power to improve the brainwashing process (by using the economic surplus to employ scribes, priests, and PR men). Then go back to step one and repeat the process.


Psychopaths have played a disproportionate role in the development of civilization, because they are hard-wired to lie, kill, injure, and generally inflict great suffering on other humans without feeling any remorse. The inventor of civilization — the first tribal chieftain who successfully brainwashed an army of controlled mass murderers—was almost certainly a genetic psychopath.

Since that momentous discovery, psychopaths have enjoyed a significant advantage over non-psychopaths in the struggle for power in civilizational hierarchies — especially military hierarchies.

Military institutions are tailor-made for psychopathic killers. The 5% or so of human males who feel no remorse about killing their fellow human beings make the best soldiers. And the 95% who are extremely reluctant to kill make terrible soldiers — unless they are brainwashed with highly sophisticated modern techniques that turn them (temporarily it is hoped) into functional psychopaths.

In On Killing (http://www.amazon.com/Killing-Psychological-Cost-Learning-Society/dp/0316330116/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208291611&sr=8-1), Lt. Col. Dave Grossman has re-written military history, to highlight what other histories hide: The fact that military science is less about strategy and technology, than about overcoming the instinctive human reluctance to kill members of our own species.

The true “Revolution in Military Affairs” was not Donald Rumsfeld’s move to high-tech in 2001, but Brigadier Gen. S.L.A. Marshall’s discovery in the 1940s that only 15-20% of World War II soldiers along the line of fire would use their weapons:

“Those (80-85%) who did not fire did not run or hide (in many cases they were willing to risk great danger to rescue comrades, get ammunition, or run messages), but they simply would not fire their weapons at the enemy, even when faced with repeated waves of banzai charges”
(Grossman, p. 4).

Marshall’s discovery and subsequent research, proved that in all previous wars, a tiny minority of soldiers — the 5% who are natural-born psychopaths, and perhaps a few temporarily-insane imitators—did almost all the killing.

Normal men just went through the motions and, if at all possible, refused to take the life of an enemy soldier, even if that meant giving up their own. The implication: Wars are ritualized mass murders by psychopaths of non-psychopaths. (This cannot be good for humanity’s genetic endowment!)

Marshall’s work, brought a Copernican revolution to military science. In the past, everyone believed that the soldier willing to kill for his country was the (heroic) norm, while one who refused to fight was a (cowardly) aberration. The truth, as it turned out, was that the normative soldier hailed from the psychopathic five percent.

The sane majority, would rather die than fight.

The implication, too frightening for even the likes of Marshall and Grossman to fully digest, was that the norms for soldiers’ behavior in battle had been set by psychopaths. That meant that psychopaths were in control of the military as an institution.

Worse, it meant that psychopaths were in control of society’s perception of military affairs. Evidently, psychopaths exercised an enormous amount of power in seemingly sane, normal society.

How could that be?
In Political Ponerology (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/polpon/politicalponerologyccr.htm), Andrzej Lobaczewski explains that clinical psychopaths enjoy advantages even in non-violent competitions to climb the ranks of social hierarchies. Because they can lie without remorse (and without the telltale physiological stress that is measured by lie detector tests) psychopaths can always say whatever is necessary to get what they want.

In court, for example, psychopaths can tell extreme bald-faced lies in a plausible manner, while their sane opponents are handicapped by an emotional predisposition to remain within hailing distance of the truth. Too often, the judge or jury imagines that the truth must be somewhere in the middle, and then issues decisions that benefit the psychopath. As with judges and juries, so too with those charged with decisions concerning who to promote and who not to promote in corporate, military and governmental hierarchies.

The result is that all hierarchies inevitably become top-heavy with psychopaths

[...]


Continue here: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...nerology08.htm

After all, if human bodies can host psycho parasites, why not other types of bodies?

[gripreaper]

Listening to tonight's radio show with Drake. He claims the Keenan lawsuit has been refiled and will post it to his website within the next few days. It should also show up on Pacer. I'll withhold comment on that until I get a chance to read it and see what the venue is, under what subject matter jurisdiction, and what the charges are and who the defendants are.

Drake is still confused over public and private processes and how they are enforced. Sure, the "Notice" "Affidavit's" and "Liens" filed were administrative, not judicial, and trying to tie the two together and make an administrative notice enforceable...well...

That's all for now until I see the lawsuit.

[edit] A guy named Erin calls in, apparently having spoken to the attorney on the case, and the case "has not" been refiled. He also attempts to set things straight about subject matter jurisdiction.

[araucaria]

@Modwiz

I am sorry if you feel that the French Revolution was a fake. The notions of liberty, equality and fraternity are still core values here in France, and I imagine elsewhere too. God knows there have been plenty of attempts to throw them out - empires, restorations, collaboration, far right parties, you name it.

If you deprive freedom lovers of this bread, then your cake had better be good :)

[9eagle9]

Is liberty, equality and fraternity an actuality ? Or just notions. Most of what we think is real is just an idea, a notion. Sounds good so it must be the truth.

When I have a core value it is expressed in my life not just an idea that remains manifested or expressed in my physical existence.

Liberty in America is a notion. So is equality. It sounds nice on paper, text and media but the notion has nothing to do with reality.

Most of our major world events, historically speaking, were put over as noble notions but the realities of the situation had nothing to do with the nobility of the notion.

In America we were given the notion that the Civil War was about freeing slaves and it was really about economics and money.

We had that this notion that hunting witches was godly it would keep the world safe from the Devil.

We had this notion the Crusades were a good idea so the devil couldn't get a toe hold.

We had this notion about the Inquisition that was very noble and godly and it proved to be anything but.

We fought WW2 because there was a notion that the German bad guys were going to take over the world and that was all banking related too. So was WW1. While we were distracted by the notion of the Nazi's, the bankers further entrenched in ruling the world.

So notions are nice but typically have nothing to do with the reality of the situation. Nor do they do anything to change the reality of the situation when one has no notion of the reality of the situation.

Whether Modwiz's cake is good is irrelevant; a good (or bad) cake still doesn't improve or change the fact the pie is hollow.


@Modwiz

I am sorry if you feel that the French Revolution was a fake. The notions of liberty, equality and fraternity are still core values here in France, and I imagine elsewhere too. God knows there have been plenty of attempts to throw them out - empires, restorations, collaboration, far right parties, you name it.

If you deprive freedom lovers of this bread, then your cake had better be good :)

[araucaria]

'Just notions' that find expression here on Avalon for starters...

[9eagle9]

Talking about a notion is not the same as expression or manifest. Talking it about it doesn't lend it reality or make it real.

[araucaria]

I am not just talking to you about fraternity, dear 9eagle9, I am fraternizing with you, no? :)
as equals, and with a degree of freedom

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

May I ask why this thread is still alive?

It´s clearly derailed and the biggest part of Drake believers realized that his "plan" is nothing but a fantasy.

I think it´s time to move on...

Raf.

[SilentFeathers]

Hey folks,

May I ask why this thread is still alive?

It´s clearly derailed and the biggest part of Drake believers realized that his "plan" is nothing but a fantasy.

I think it´s time to move on...

Raf.

Don't toss the towel in yet Raf, it's not over yet and updates are still occasionally coming in on this thread.

Won't be long in my opinion until we see the remainder of the followers trying to raise money to get Drake and a some others bailed out of jail, that is if they even set a bond on them. The story is not over at all by any means.....

....and of course, we may get to see them raptured yet and just disappear.....I feel there is a strange twist about to happen with this fantasy, I mean, "plan".....

[RMorgan]

Don't toss the towel in yet Raf, it's not over yet and updates are still occasionally coming in on this thread.

Won't be long in my opinion until we see the remainder of the followers trying to raise money to get Drake and a some others bailed out of jail, that is if they even set a bond on them. The story is not over at all by any means.....

....and of course, we may get to see them raptured yet and just disappear.....I feel there is a strange twist about to happen with this fantasy, I mean, "plan".....

Hey mate,

I just think there´s no point feeding this fantasy anymore.

Just let the man alone with his delusions.

Raf.

[Hervé]

Hey folks,

May I ask why this thread is still alive?

It´s clearly derailed and the biggest part of Drake believers realized that his "plan" is nothing but a fantasy.

I think it´s time to move on...

Raf.

What! You'll let the 200,000 + visitors to this thread hanging dry!?

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

May I ask why this thread is still alive?

It´s clearly derailed and the biggest part of Drake believers realized that his "plan" is nothing but a fantasy.

I think it´s time to move on...

Raf.

What! You'll let the 200,000 + visitors to this thread hanging dry!?

That´s my point, my friend.

Hundreds of thousands of people feeding this drama while there are so many much more important and realistic subjects to talk about.

People like Drake come and go in the alternative scene every year. It´s nonsense.

If we want to make the alternative media a reliable source of information like it was in the past, we need to stop feeding these fantasies.

It´s time to let this thread disappear among the other fiascoes from the past.

Raf.

[Hervé]

Hey folks,

May I ask why this thread is still alive?

It´s clearly derailed and the biggest part of Drake believers realized that his "plan" is nothing but a fantasy.

I think it´s time to move on...

Raf.

What! You'll let the 200,000 + visitors to this thread hanging dry!?

That´s my point, my friend.

Hundreds of thousands of people feeding this drama while there are so many much more important subjects to talk about.

People like Drake come and go in the alternative scene every year. It´s nonsense.

If we want to make the alternative media a reliable source of information like it was in the past, we need to stop feeding these fantasies.

Raf.

Good man!

Trouble is that these "visitors" wouldn't have a clue as to what you consider to be more important unless you start hinting at it IN THIS THREAD... :tape2:

[Billy]

Tearing down certain aspects of the human genome could be considered hygiene as well. or that uncomfortable notion of paring down to a certain amount of beings on earth. It's been done with other creatures who live on this earth but when it comes to humanity the thought is unthinkable. And its not that the earth is that tender and beleagured or " Gaia Crying" ,(She is the last female I know that is found weeping into her beer) its because its just unneccesary to have that many parasitical beings concentrated in one area.


17460

Sorry i could not resist :whistle:

[NancyV]

Hey folks,

May I ask why this thread is still alive?

It´s clearly derailed and the biggest part of Drake believers realized that his "plan" is nothing but a fantasy.

I think it´s time to move on...

Raf.

What! You'll let the 200,000 + visitors to this thread hanging dry!?

That´s my point, my friend.

Hundreds of thousands of people feeding this drama while there are so many much more important and realistic subjects to talk about.

People like Drake come and go in the alternative scene every year. It´s nonsense.

If we want to make the alternative media a reliable source of information like it was in the past, we need to stop feeding these fantasies.

It´s time to let this thread disappear among the other fiascoes from the past.

Raf.
Normally I agree with many of your posts, Raf, but if people don't want to be in a thread, no one is forcing them to read it. One thing I don't like at all is other people trying to protect me from anything, whether they are well meaning or not. If I don't want to waste my time reading in this thread I will not come into it.

I also don't let other people convince me that what is nonsense for them should be nonsense for me. Actually I think just about EVERYTHING is nonsense, which includes this discussion. But we all have our own type of nonsense that we enjoy discussing. To each his own nonsense. This thread should stay open as long as someone enjoys this type of nonsense....in my not so humble opinion.
:)

[RMorgan]

Good man!

Trouble is that these "visitors" wouldn't have a clue as to what you consider to be more important unless you start hinting at it IN THIS THREAD... :tape2:

Anything is more important than feeding this lie.

No one is going to miraculously save the US from tyranny, specially megalomaniac people with weird nicknames.

If the North-Americans want to change things, they must get of their chairs and do something.

In this case, typing words on an internet forum is useless...

If it just was that easy, I would just go to a car forum, chat about cars and suddenly, my car, which right now has a mechanical problem, would be magically fixed.

With all due respect, you guys from US have a huge problem to fix. The world is depending on you. It´s time to get serious and stop thinking that someone is magically going to fix it for you.

Besides, there are nice subjects raised here that actually don´t belong to this thread. It would be much more productive if they had their own threads.

Raf.



Normally I agree with many of your posts, Raf, but if people don't want to be in a thread, no one is forcing them to read it. One thing I don't like at all is other people trying to protect me from anything, whether they are well meaning or not. If I don't want to waste my time reading in this thread I will not come into it.

I also don't let other people convince me that what is nonsense for them should be nonsense for me. Actually I think just about EVERYTHING is nonsense, which includes this discussion. But we all have our own type of nonsense that we enjoy discussing. To each his own nonsense. This thread should stay open as long as someone enjoys this type of nonsense....in my not so humble opinion.
:)

Hey Nancy,

I know what you mean.

The problem is that the level of distraction and disinformation being discussed here is increasing alarmingly fast.

Just a year ago, I used to find a lot of interesting and intriguing threads here; now they´re becoming incredibly rare.

I really don´t want to convince anyone about anything. I just think this huge amount of disinformation being spread in the alternative media must mean something.

Maybe something very serious is about to happen that someone is creating this unprecedented level of distractions, keeping everyone entertained.

This is just like illusionism. They make you look to one hand while the trick is being performed with the other.

Just be careful everyone...I can´t explain, but I feel something is about to happen in the USA. I hope it´s just a stupid feeling...

Raf.

[araucaria]

Hey folks,

May I ask why this thread is still alive?

It´s clearly derailed and the biggest part of Drake believers realized that his "plan" is nothing but a fantasy.

I think it´s time to move on...

Raf.

well move on then , mate :)

[Hervé]

[...]

Anything is more important than feeding this lie.

[...]

Raf.



Seems to me that in the last while, that lie has been shed some light on and now the posts are more about how not to fall for the next "savior" which is definitely not feeding the lie and prevents the next one from finding green pasture.



[...]

In this case, typing words on an internet forum is useless...


Since "education" in the States is in a bad state of disrepair... some typings are somewhat needed to provide some educational basis toward a better... doingness.



[...]

Besides, there are nice subjects raised here that actually don´t belong to this thread. It would be much more productive if they had their own threads.


Except that those nice subjects starting new threads barely make it to a second page and get buried amongst the 40,000 + other threads on this board due to the "search" function seeming to be put on most people's "Ignore List."

I am not disagreeing with the principle, just that this thread could have some "usefulness."

[Fred Steeves]

Let me point out a big change I've noticed at Avalon since I've been here. A year and a half ago, I think the Drake saga would have been a much bigger deal, possibly even in the same league as Charles. This silly psy op ran into a buzz saw of tough scrutiny, and for most it was quickly exposed as a big nothing. This is a good thing! Our overall discernment is sharpening lightning quick.

[Chester]

Hey folks,

May I ask why this thread is still alive?

It´s clearly derailed and the biggest part of Drake believers realized that his "plan" is nothing but a fantasy.

I think it´s time to move on...

Raf.

What! You'll let the 200,000 + visitors to this thread hanging dry!?

That´s my point, my friend.

Hundreds of thousands of people feeding this drama while there are so many much more important and realistic subjects to talk about.

People like Drake come and go in the alternative scene every year. It´s nonsense.

If we want to make the alternative media a reliable source of information like it was in the past, we need to stop feeding these fantasies.

It´s time to let this thread disappear among the other fiascoes from the past.

Raf.

I spend most of my Avalon time being serious in serious threads. Yet, being a human being and occasionally desiring a little comic relief, I catch up on the Drake thread.

I also watch televangelists and Fox News when seeking other forms of comedy... not very much time, but I am being honest here. It would suggest humanity may actually experience self redemption if this thread suddenly died... and if no one bothered to turn on the TV for Joel Osteen or Sean Hannity or Anderson Cooper...

[RMorgan]

I spend most of my Avalon time being serious in serious threads. Yet, being a human being and occasionally desiring a little comic relief, I catch up on the Drake thread.

I also watch televangelists and Fox News when seeking other forms of comedy... not very much time, but I am being honest here. It would suggest humanity may actually experience self redemption if this thread suddenly died... and if no one bothered to turn on the TV for Joel Osteen or Sean Hannity or Anderson Cooper...

Spot on, my friend! :)

The BS monster would definitively die if we stopped feeding it.

Wouldn´t it be awesome?

Cheers,

Raf.

[Referee]

For anyone interested I just found this dated July 4

ZfOhdH6HDFM

[NancyV]

It's funny and deliciously ironic listening to a corrupt politician (Spitzer) being outraged about corruption! A wonderful case of pot calling kettle black.

[Kimberley]

For anyone interested I just found this dated July 4

ZfOhdH6HDFM

This is a great find!!! Thank you!!

Much love!

[gripreaper]

For anyone interested I just found this dated July 4

ZfOhdH6HDFM

This is a great find!!! Thank you!!

Much love!

Yes, this is an outrage! Someone needs to bring down all these corrupt banks and centralize all banking services through the International Monetary Fund and create spreads through Special Drawing Rights, and remove all paper currencies, make everyone turn in all their gold and silver and make everyone register their accounts with the IMF. All transactions will be digital, every move completely tracked where taxes, fees and carbon footprint usage is taken directly from these accounts, and each person will have a chip imbedded in them, and if they don't play by the rules, then their chip gets turned off and they can no longer operate in commerce and will likely starve to death!

Yea, real good news...

[Maunagarjana]

It's funny and deliciously ironic listening to a corrupt politician (Spitzer) being outraged about corruption! A wonderful case of pot calling kettle black.

Using prostitutes with bribe money is pretty small potatoes compared to rigging LIBOR rates. It's more like a pot calling Sauron's tower in Mordor black.

[9eagle9]

Keep the ball rolling until the next Guru comes along and the mods can just blend the threads and save us all the trouble next time.

[gripreaper]

COBRA UPDATE, TAKE THE RED PILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have been delaying the release of this for as long as possible because this intel is very disturbing. But people have the right to know the truth. That is the only path towards healing.

So you have a choice. You can take the blue pill, forget about this and go on with your daily life. By clicking on the links you take the red pill. Be aware that what you read here will shatter your world view quite dramatically and you will need some time to digest this. But after you do, you will become a pillar of strength for people in this world because every human being will have to deal with this intel sooner or later at least to an extent. Please understand that I can take no responsibility for those who read this information and their psychological reactions to this.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dK1_dLZQ74s/UAvdefiuehI/AAAAAAAAARQ/awM0OgwA3LM/s1600/Red+Pill.jpg

Both links are very reliable and very close to the truth.

First you can read about the real background of the Nazi-Jesuit holocaust:

http://one-evil.org/acts_holocaust/acts_vatican_holocaust.htm

Then you can read about the Illuminazi mind programming, which was the backbone of the Illuminati power until very recently:

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/illuminati_formula_mind_control.htm

The Cabal must be exposed and things like this must never happen again. The coming victory of the Light will make sure that they will not, and healing for many victims of this will finally be available.

http://2012portal.blogspot.ca/

[gripreaper]

DRAKES EXCITING SUNDAY UPDATE 7/22/2012 !!!!!!

Here is the four hour Drake show for today. Those who claim to support Drake have abandoned this thread (pretty much) and I don't have the wherewithal to sludge through four hours, but I will try and see if I can get through the first hour. Was looking for comments from others who may have listened but so far nothing showing up at Lady Dragon's phenomenally incredible website with her world renowned journalistic prowess.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/global-voice-2012-radio-network/2012/07/22/gvr--drakes-vital-weekend-update--sunday

[GoodETxSG]

Many of us have had enough with the politicians and bankers that are corrupt and fleecing the US and Europe.
We are gathering here. These people HAVE to be arrested! No fines, no resignations but JAIL TIME!

www.facebook.com/BankAndPoliticianFinancialCorruption

[gripreaper]

The Drake Show Transcript, Sunday, July 22, 2012 !!!!!!!!!

Welcome Drake and Lady Dragon. Minute Man will be in soon.

I have capabilities of getting copies of liens, Neil hasn’t filed yet.

First ones open will deal with the US, then the others.

Found out: Many are on my site. Go to right, scroll, subscribe, put in your email and get it right away.

I will address some things that are going around.

Lady Dragon:

What Drake is explaining about Friday is extremely important. Watch. Will be pivotal day. Will be better for us either way. Friend from Dubai says no homes, just dorms and people work. Import people, they go to work, then they go to the dorm. Can’t talk to their loved ones, no passports, can’t leave. Live 24/7 with boss. Slavery. This is how they want the whole world to be.

Genicide here in Canada. This is coming, that’s why important to wake up.

South Africa: Michael Dillinger filed papers against bank. Now it goes many more banks. New Era, declare all money lending systems fraudulent and unconstitutional. Not just happening here, but everywhere.

David Wilcock article put a lot of detail. Very informative. Where all the wealth is in detail. Now the news is getting to more and more people.

Mega Uploads website. Case we need to watch. News came out about mega uploads, US dept of justice makes up own rules. Currently unfolding, and could shut down. Watch court case viligently.

Orders for Pentagon to monitor media for info leak. New York Times and LA TImes are going to start talking. LA Times, state park had millions in surplus, but threatened to close parks because they had no money. LIE. Plot revealed. LA TImes found and reported.

Read Cobra. Very intense this week! Sunday meditation on LD’s website.

Drake: Judicial admissions of improper hearing of a case in Indiana, Sheriff Arpai found Hawaii, birth certificate factory. This goes to Merit.

Several of people who use my things on my website to use on their sites. MORE THAN WELCOME. Dept. of Homeland Security had a plan to take over. Making riots in streets, shooting in streets, etc. Planned!!!!! One problem: Some of their plans have been outed, by me and others. More people are looking at improper hearings or merit. Lot of people are in legal hot water. Most politicians has fun and games going on. Some are clean and try to do the right thing, but can’t. HS: Valerie Jerrit, Queen bee of white house, she tells everyone what to do. From upper office to lower, Eric Holder, can cause order of murder to our security guards, gun runners. He is the fire wall. He is keeping the legalists from finding out stuff about Obama. Let’s make sure this doesn’t happen again, and remove crooks, influence peddlers, money launderers, financer/bankers. Need to remove Eric Holder no matter what.

This planning from Homeland Security. Was also a suspension of elections. I don’t think they are going to have them. HS doesn’t plan to have them, they plan to have a false flag. They will kill no matter how many. 9/11, Oklahoma City (kill babies, they don’t care). We just had an order stated that we are in a state of emergency. And we kept this emergency order alive due to uranium in Russia incident. Suspension of Elections, and the probability of our military making a military coups. The military take over, no martial law, but will be making arrests. So we can keep a structure running that runs for a specific amount of time. We will have an office holder, accountant. IRS researching.

Plan: Suspension of elections. Instead of them. US. We the People, plus militias, our military, what do you need, and where can I help you?

Dubai: Prison camp for workers. I found out that there are no publicly accessible video cameras. Why? What hides in secrecy is something wrong. People from foreign countries get owned while looking for work.

I posted a video, think and relate: Sounds of Silence. Pray to the neon god we made. Lady Dragon mentioned genocide. Work you til your dead, starve you, or put you in a deadly situation. Just got a report from Japan, been out awhile. Tokyo Electric Power company, nuclear problem. Fukushima, is not shutting down soon. Point is: These turkeys sent workers in and the crew leader that his badge said that he was being cooked, got everyone out of there. Lead shields from radiation, so badges don’t go off. They just took people and radiated them. These people were climbing all over it. Messes with reproduction, among other things. Intentionally radiated this people And the official statement was, “Im sorry, we just made a mistake.”

My next subject about service people, and Rick Light has more:

Minute Man: Good news. Our militias are growing like you wouldn’t believe. Looks like small arms treating is back firing. If you are going to join a militia, get with people in your states, your group near you. Easy to do. In RAM has lots of info on how to do it. Drake has info on his site too.

Some of our military boys have been told that they owe no allegience to our constitution. Some of these people are in special forces. Talk to your law enforcement. Many patriots are out there. We need to reach out to them. If they have been told that they owe no oath of allegience to constitution. Disturbing that some in our military are being taught that. Needs to be addressed really quick. Need to pass that along. FEderal, local, state, all them folks. Reach out more than every. In a blink of an eye, Friday will be here. They will be accountable for what transpires Friday.

Drake: PTSD teaches you how to fight back, to where it doesn’t bug you all the time, so you can control your actions and reactions. Everybody has a little bit of this. This gives you control over that thing that makes you react in appropriately, and has thought controls. No one gets in your head, you can use it on your own. As long as you follow basics, you will be able to get control. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, in the extreme of combat, when you are triggered, it goes to the bottom of who you are, the cave man part. You have to do certain things. Manchurian Candidate talks about brain washing. I did this for me. I woke up screaming for the first two years I came back. I can turn it down, the noise, I take the color out of it, take the light out of it, and close it up and lock the dog down, doesn’t bother me. I used to be triggered by noises, but not so much anymore. I laugh in its face now, and it goes away. I go into specifics. Treatment system, it isn’t a program, no leader but you.

I read an article in Time Magazine, stated one military personnel in reserves or retired or active duty. One a day was blowing their brains out. As they say in the marine corps. you can’t die without permission. I know how nasty it is to have PTSD and all you want to do is turn it off. This system helps you turn it off.

I addressed the troops worldwide. Each person has a service manuel, tells you how to conduct yourself. Open service to support constitution, you abide the rules of constitution. This is in your service manual. If you don’t have one, go on line or to the library. US code military justice says the same thing. Those are your basic walking orders. It’s there. You won’t engage civilians, only as crowd control. Your allegiance is first to the country and exists under the Constitution, and so do we. The day we are set free, all the church bells will ring out.

The excitement people feel when fireworks go off, the thrill you get when someone you love comes up the hill. That first look in the morning when you wake up next to the one you love, nothing like it. They don’t want you to have this, they want to steal this from you. We are at the break point. We got until Friday, 5 days to find out if we are going to maintain our freedom or not. I have heard that this disinfo, we aren’t going to take your guns. There is a problem with that. I got a copy of the one not changed. Anything over 38 disallowed- that’s a shotgun, hunting rifles.

They know how to put out fires, but they haven’t done it. I know how to do it. They make an effort with airplanes. Firefighters are extraordinary. If we had a truly national militia- people who specialized in militia. People who have made enough and who have the time necessary to be an extra set of hands. 100 from each state. 5,000 could take out one of them forest fires, if there are flood problems. Make sure river is dredged, like it used to. ...

I want everyone out there to think about everything. Our judicial system needs to be restructured badly. What’s legal ain’t lawful, what’s lawful ain’t legal. If you can pay it you’re in good shape, if not, you go to jail, etc. I need people to think about how to go about getting excited. What kind of excitement would get people excited?

Break

Drake: The Transpacific Partnership. Strictly corporate deal. Lot’s of slave places all over planet like they are in Dubai. When you can’t eat, you will do anything. Neon God = consumerism. The corps first took all our privacy. On the internet, ads, programs on TV and radio. They know what color underwear you wear, where you put your keys, purse down, where you park. They know where you go in the house what you first look at, the first time of drink you get. They know the brands. They know the color of container. They know which coffee maker you have and color. If you get into it and look, google search yourself, then go into marketing, you will find out how much they know. They don’t care about your credit rating. They just care that you are buying things. They have decided to put this all to use. When you apply psychology to the Neon God. You remember stuff if it is done in a certain way. From the person selling, you have the other end of the scale. Slavery. No security camera open to the public.

Corporate side: You give up your passport, if you want a job. Expendability. Your labor, our efforts (expect reward, bonus, etc). You don’t get one. Fact: Corporate Fascism which is the pre existing condition of full out communism. Corporations have NO SOUL. No conscience there, only oriented to what they make. Tokyo Power company frying their people. Expendable assets. TPP is the same as Corporate Fascism. It’s a corporate agreement. It’s not a treaty.

Freedom efforts: Talk to people, open up slowly. You gotta! We are running out of time. Once you start something, it’s going to keep going. There’s documentation that I have access to that is going to blow people’s mind. Paper work is prepared, only thing left is to file it, then banking system is done. Military doesn’t want to take over. Notification process was put into record and put into int’l court of Hague. Won’t say name of project, told not to. Paper work is made, valid and validity is that it was not rejected. This tells me that it has validity as it stands. A majority of states submitted freedom paper work. Original documents of how this country was put together, package contained cover letter stated clearly: We are as a group making the Declaration that we are no longer under the corporate thumb. It is oppressive and against the people, and we are not going to be ruled under that. The approval of the paper work. “They” are surprised at how quickly we got it done.” Can take military action to replace govt. If there is a military take over. Paper work gives them civilian authority to take over after mass arrests. Provisional operational govt. The people placed in these provisional offices are squeaky clean. Temporary as the power will be returned to the people. This is what they have agreed to do. By agreeing to follow plan, that is a brave stand, this is why I suggest everyone be ready to be called on. Be willing to put everything in to it. These people for the first time! 75% of govt on our side. I’m looking forward to happen.

I AM NOT calling for an uprising on Friday, but depending on the vote, depends on the reaction of some people I don’t have control over. I am not advocating violence. Go to sheriff and say we need to put some criminals away. Get an affidavit of truth by a citizen, and it is an executable warrant. Put them in the slammer. Start educating yourself to be prepared. The person you see in the mirror is your white knight.

Minute Man: When you are talking to people, make sure you have a smile on your face.

Lady Dragon: On Tuesday the House of ?? is expected to vote on Tuesday on bill that would allow congressional audit of Federal Reserve. Bernake told the House, it would open the door to a nightmare scenario. (for them, not us). Tuesday, Ron Paul have found 274 sponsors. Find those supporters, call them and thank them. If the ones are not supporting, call and tell them they are wrong. Be polite and nice. Have a polite educated conversation with them.

Drake: The people on TV know what is going on but they aren’t allowed to something.

drakeanswers at gmail.com

Denise: Thanks to many for helping keep this going. When you listen to archives, please take a moment to click on Advertisement when the play back comes on helps me pay for the radio station and domain. Global Voice. us website, donate button. Monthly costs are in excess of 350 dollars, every month, I will put out a monthly statement of what we receive and what our expenses are.

Questions: Any validity to European report to the military taking Obama out. Now they have several people who could serve in the capacity. yes, this is real.

What about Bill Ayers, his wife and son, are they on the list: They are on a whole bunch of different lists. To be taken out of the positions they are in. None of it is a pretty picture. Anyone in a critical position can be replaced

Coup de etat? How is this action defined. Either the military takes a part. The first arrest. WE THE PEOPLE have to do this. If someone can do it, then I can do it too. The military is looking to join with us in making sure it is non violent. Want to take people into custody, no shooting. DON”T GO SHOOTING PEOPLE> We are better than they are. They need to be shown that there is a law about that and we intend to enforce it.

Can people be arrested at the signing of the treaty: It’s a matter of public record, so it doesn’t matter to me when they get arrested. It;s not critical that they can arrest them there, would be nice.

Many people are curious if Drake thinks Aurora is a false flag attack: Yes. Brainwashing. There is control of any individual. Anyone can be programmed to be violent. A trigger can be used to control someone now. I find it odd that this man could get these kinds of weapons, and odd that he left them in his car. Too many things in the twin towers, too. I would say it’s a staged deal.

Could you please say something about people from other countries, like Brazil. The impact is simple. If you take central banking system down, lots of countries will suffer for short time. A lot of smaller countries rely on support of a central bank, and it runs through our system generally, most are. The inpact could be extraordinary for a short time. There is a lot of assistance coming from our country.

No treaty can superceded constitution, so why are they even trying. Obama and Hilary are guilty of treason. Other agreements in place that subjugate our freedoms from the back door. Possible to put things in place that people didn’t see in a treaty or agreement. Look what’s in Obamacare! This treaty does have holes in it where people could come get our guns.

How Sheriff Joe’s info on birth certificate would get him out: I believe that the take on fraudulent position is the easiest and best.

No govt should use fraud against anyone? For or against? For!

Why have ET’s not arresting bad guys since they are arrested. Don’t like to get into ET’s. We look at plan. We are to take care of our problems as much as we can, before our time table runs out. They want to see us do as much on our own as possible. They have to stand back and watch. We are watching for military, and they are watching us to do something.

Is the 20 million or so ET’s underground still planning to take action. Cobra said 50-60 million before, but 20 million can help. They are here and on standby, and waiting for citizens of US to remove them.

Good guys, are they going to take radio and air waves soon? Or will they be waiting for something to happen like on the 27th?

Lady Dragon: Everyone should have walkie talkies, CBs ham radio. Even if they shut down internet. Alien spaceships in Dakotas stopped a missle.If they do, it would be for one day.

Please let Drake know we appreciate all notifications and keeping up to date.

You say citizens should work with law officials, should we coordinate that we have the right, the jurisdiction, etc lined up.

Drake: Yes, coordination between law enforcement, FBI, etc. You can do recon and get a good idea when they will be home, if you are going to do it at their house. If office, you need to know something about office, need to know exits, so they don’t get away.

Rather than small groups, could we have a central point where more gathered to back up.

I would suggest individual small group basis. Evidence is known to disappear, they have fires. If you find hard documented evidence... copy, and make sure origninal is in safe place. Offer copy, but offer original upon incarceration. When the original is put with copy and seen to be as the copy, no question. It supports all actions taken.

Oath Keeper: Are the joint chiefs of staff are traitors... DId the joint chiefs say everyone to shove it.

Drake: Can’t find it. I would love to get a hold of that info. You would be hero if you want to be known, but I would do it for you if you don’t want to be known.
A lot of corruption at the higher level of commands. Truth is a problem of validation. I won’t know if clean or dirty based on evidence.

People like this rapid fire questioning:

Isn’t general Martin Dempsey a good guy? Yes

Minute Man: Can one join a militia without being a gun toting type. Yes they can.

If Obama knows 75% is against the cabal, how does he expect to enforce martial law?

Drake: Why do you think nothing hasn’t happened?

Carl Rove arrest attempt, and trespassing conviction. Why did this fail. Local police refused to do anything. how could they have avoided the trespassing charges.

Drake: Only takes one officer, need a federal officer (marshall or FBI) variety of different federal officer. When you have that in place, then you take your actions. Carl Rove does need to be arrested, but do it right.

Why does your site have a green light? Can turn it off. Next green light is the next major green light.

Who do we go to for arrests if our sheriff is corrupt? Assistants, run down chain of command. Each one has a sworn oath to help you. If not, they need to be jailed. If sheriff won’t cooperate, and next in command will. Simple.

How do we get military support if our military is out of country. The amount of military has not been tapped. You have national guard all over the place, you have the standing active military all over the US. You have situation where militia is in state, unless there is a need to combine. Variety of things that go into this. Militia is made up of people in local, county, state. That is your militia area, but you can combine.

Do the good guys have track of Jesuits and Vatican? There are some things that are coming about that will be surprising. Won’t say anymore.

For Lady Dragon. how is hte freedom movement progressing in Canada, and if the Canadians are wanting to get involved, who do they get in touch with? Canada has more and more are awake. If they need info contact me. Every day new news of what we are doing. On site you will find cutting edge of the knowledge. ladydragon.com You will always be in the loop. I have a back log of at least three days of news. I talk to Drake every single day. Canada has done a lot of things lately. People are coming forward with lawsuits.

Is Canada taking the same steps that US has done, and if so, how does it stand. They have been working on paper work for over 12 years, and ready to move forward at the right time.

Who can I contact in North Carolina. RAM (didn’t get site spelling), get NC group from there.
Same for Nebraska.

Minute Man: Drake’s site is info site for current and upcoming news. My site is for people to join, communicate and build their groups. It’s good to join your state group and message everyone in your group.

About Hilary signing UN ban. What do we do if she actually signs it? She’s so guilty I don’t know which way she needs to be thrown. Doesn’t matter. Secretary of State doesn’t have authority to sign anything dealing with legislation.

Who is putting on weird posts on websites that don’t pertain to his website? Please clarify and send to onefreepeople.com

Drake: One I sent today is weird is about psychology. It makes a lot of sense. The neon god we made. Fruit loops.

For Rick: I had written to the RAM site, contacted Nebraska two weeks ago, no response. Other avenues. Create your own group. Many don’t have groups in their area. Someone has to take responsibility to take bull by horns and get going.

Break

Mike from Seattle: One comment for Lady Dragon: 200 people. Many times you have stipulated you are a nationally known journalist, we have found no proof. you report news that is two days old from other sites. I know you mentioned filing of papers. Where are the filing of papers? Any link to a page that you have done any filing? Other than the Vatican issue, no

Drake, two weeks ago, you said that there would be a financial green light, what is going on with that and why didn’t you go to California and arrest those people? Why didn’t you go to California...

Lady Dragon... Drake....

That was supposed to be a comment. Let Lady Dragon respond. You called in to start trouble. This is a place to help people, I have been around before google. Be careful about slandering my name. The paper work will be out in it’s due time, just like Neil Keenan.

Gloria from Orlando: Last week they had a part of the glacier fall off into the ocean, is that going to cause any coastal flooding if this continues? I would say don’t go riding on the Titanic now. Take a couple of a little stakes, where the surf stops on high tide, continue two feet til you have beach. This is about Planetary Alignment. It’s actually getting colder. There is going to be some global ice melting. You aren’t going to have something similar to tsunami, and won’t be near that quick and will be over several years.

Grammy J: Really thrilled that most of the people are getting the importance of all the info that has been coming out in the last couple of days. White Hat Report, the Neil Keenan email, David Wilcock, the great revealing and that people are passing it out. And that people are getting informed about what is about to happen. The majority of people are getting it and seeing the enormity of all this with you, White Hats and Wilcock. Sometimes it gets confusing and most are getting it and I am super impressed they are getting it. I believe the majority people are realizing how hard we are all working to wake up the planet. I’m there, at your side. Love to all of you.

Denise: Would like to interject, the message that Drake is putting out to all of us. Drake is a messenger. He is not the head hauncho. He has no control over time constraints. He has info that he cannot yet divulge, but as he is able to, he does so immediately. We are all working tirelessly. Whether you support Drake or not, or the freedom movement or not, we try to answer everyone’s questions and concerns. This is a very volatile and emotional time for the planet, and I would ask that everyone understand taht we are all human beings, and every single person plays a part in this freedom. It’s important to everyone on the planet.

Grammy J: Each one of us has a right to make choices, and this is our show. This was made for Drake, the messenger. We have all been call upon. If anyone calls in to attack anyone. The rule is we get to ask one question, I am sure everyone will be more than happy to answer question, to the best of our ability, but no more time should be wasted when the wonderful people are waiting to ask their questions.

Denise: If you have a personal opinion or disagreement with anyone of us. We have email addresses, we have a chat room. If you are calling in with a personal opinion it’s a waste of time here.

Kate: I want to make a comment .. google, is blocking your email. I have signed up for ANmilitia, when I got on the Hilary. I can’t get on the site, no emails. I rebooted. Nothing. Google is not happy with your site. I am a Vietnam intelligence veteran. Google is doing a pretty good job of blocking.

Drake: When you go to make a search. You have options. Use another one. (She has no problem getting in on yahoo). It’s happening, and maybe you can correct it on your end.

Denise, I can set up emails through my website. If need be.

Lady Dragon: There is good and bad in google. Please good people, step it up!

Buck from Atlanta: David Wilcock came up with something this past week (didn’t get it all), critical steps have been taken to remove cabal. Do you agree?

Drake: Sometimes people get it first to get an ok.... Yes, this is valid. I knew about the struggle two months worth of time ago, that the military was having serious problem. They are clamping down on the trouble and taking care of it.

Kari from California: She’s the one who bakes the cookies. Send my email, and I will send freedom chocolate chip cookies. I had a question, but I am going to wait to email it. I would like to say God bless all of you, I love all of you. What everyone is doing is great. Yesterday I was (for Rick) on the militia website after reading emails about Drake. I was trying to inform other members on RAM. They didn’t want to listen and calling Drake a fake and propagandist. Do people not even care in the militia. Unfortunately everyone has their opinion. Sometime the sharing of info gets off point. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion whether they believe in Drake or not.

Denise, you said it keeps 350 a month to keep everything going? We have the radio, website, chat rooms, but the domains to host. It costs right around 350. The radio station is 250. Donations would help, so far it is coming out of my income (Denise). Let me add another 350!

Minute Man: These efforts do cost, and they are not for free, we aren’t being asked to be paid for. Sometimes it comes out of our pockets and we dont’ mind.

Siggy from South Carolina: Comment. The reason it is so hard to get people to listen is because it is such a heinous idea that all these in the govt who are here to serve us are so crooked and corrupt. It’s unbelievable. What I tell people- the Thrive movie, Explosive 9/11, and Inside Job that’s on some of the channels. Matt Damon narrates it. Once you get people seeing these things. We have to get people to understand this and not scare them.

Marilyn from San Francisco: I want to know where I go to find local police officers for the DA’s oath of office, if they don’t have one, what do I do about it? County building, police office?

Minute Man: Google it online in your state or county. Most have something online and you should be able to get the info off of that.

Denise: Some at police station, or city hall. Or just contact your local mayors office to find it

Lady Dragon: Newspaper, bankruptcies. Everyone in local area. Business section. Legal notices. You have phone number and people to reach in their office. This is where you can find sheriff.

Rob from Melbourne Florida: When they sign the document on Friday, is there something you can comment on when you can put that info out so we know?

Drake: As soon as the result is known, it will be posted.

Denise: This will be the shot that is heard around the world. Youstream and everywhere.

Sheila from California: Thank everyone for not being perfect, makes you human. A lot of the freedom workers get on my nerves sometimes, but I love you. If you want perfect go to the pope. If you would educate me and expand on Incas of South America and their relationship with the Zaroastrians, Jehova and Elohim. Can you talk about these things if you would. Thanks again for not being perfect.

Drake: Please put that in an email and send that to us. I have someone who could answer that really well. They did move from northern and southern hemisphere several times.

Eagle: Rick, I have a problem here, I don’t want to be left out in cold. I don’t have internet. How do I get the info? I don’t carry fire arms. I don’t need to have one, I understand. I don’t have a means to get a hold of you other than telephone, and you could call me, so you can tell me how I can get in and participate.

Rick: I would be glad to do that.

I would like to talk to Drake off line, too.

Denise: Will do !

Ed from California: Heyyyyyyy. Doing a good job. There are still people who are a lightworker. He told the federal marshalls to stand down and not arrest the bankers. George Soros, he wanted to leave on a jet with an extra tank. He and his henchmen were supposed to be going to Chicago on a business deal. Didn’t make it to Chicago, and he went back to France. President is not on our side. Guys like Drake and me, and other veterans, we were in your spot. We the People ... this affects YOU and your family members, if the marshalls and Et’s do nothing, YOU have to move and doing something. Keep the faith and pray. I hope the military is listening.

Bob from South Dakota: Thank Drake for his PTSD article! contacted both my state senators, and through his mouthpiece, the comment was in regards to global arms treaty, the second amendment stay in place, then i got a long pause. He said he would not support it. Makes me think he will vote along party lines, and troubles me considerably. Contacted Sen. John Boone’s office, came straight, would not support or sign on to it. I do have some questions about senator Johnson.

If we don’t make it to your question, please write into onefreepeople at gmail.com And plan to set up a frequently asked questions posted on our site and drakes.

Andrea: Has anybody heard of the possible assassination against Hillary Clinton.

Drake: I find it interested that it didn’t do any good. Generally they fly people, don’t let them run under ground. It’s bogus. They are setting to stage assassination spin on Obama. Propaganda. That’s what that is.

Minute Man: Bosnia incident where she mispoke.

Phil from Mexico: Do you know one of the people if one of the people that authored ?? the idea of a new pearl harbor, they were behind the 9/11. They aren’t our friends you know what I mean.

We are out of time.

(Last five questions can be found in the archives of this show

[foreverfan]

Wilcock posted some interesting stuff. There will be arrests at the top and it will have a serious trickle down effect. We shall see.

[9eagle9]

One does remember that the last three elections it was predicted that false flag events would prevent the elections. 08 was not really that long ago, folks.

The elections are the false flag events.

[Avocadess]

COBRA offering up some heavy RED PILL links today:

http://2012portal.blogspot.com/

[GlassSteagallfan]

Wilcock posted some interesting stuff. There will be arrests at the top and it will have a serious trickle down effect. We shall see.

Here's what is really happening:

The list of banks caught for money laundering in recent years is impressive. We can name quite a few off the tops of our heads—HSBC, Wachovia, Barclays, RBS's and the Queen's Coutts, ING, Lloyds TSB, Bank of America, Riggs, and American Express—and there are undoubtedly many more. When these banks get caught, they are usually given civil fines for having inadequate anti-money-laundering controls and oversight, as if their laundering of dope money was some sort of bureaucratic foul-up which left them vulnerable to being fooled by clever dope dealers.

Excerpt from article: http://larouchepac.com/node/23433

[9eagle9]

Banks get fined for getting caught. Fines are not punishment. If you have half the money in the world tucked away under your offices, and the other half created on demand how serious is a fine.

If anyone here is good at playing Monopoly you'd fit in just fine at the banker level of manipulation.

In case you were feeling badly that you weren't good with money.

You don't have to be.




Wilcock posted some interesting stuff. There will be arrests at the top and it will have a serious trickle down effect. We shall see.

Here's what is really happening:

The list of banks caught for money laundering in recent years is impressive. We can name quite a few off the tops of our heads—HSBC, Wachovia, Barclays, RBS's and the Queen's Coutts, ING, Lloyds TSB, Bank of America, Riggs, and American Express—and there are undoubtedly many more. When these banks get caught, they are usually given civil fines for having inadequate anti-money-laundering controls and oversight, as if their laundering of dope money was some sort of bureaucratic foul-up which left them vulnerable to being fooled by clever dope dealers.

Excerpt from article: http://larouchepac.com/node/23433

[aranuk]

COBRA offering up some heavy RED PILL links today:

http://2012portal.blogspot.com/

Michelle thank you girl for the link. I have been reading the stuff for many hours now and still have loads to read, but I will certainly read them to the end. The one thing I must say from my heart is that all these Government agencies in collaboration with the Illuminati that have being so busy mind controlling babies in their millions is still going on in USA to this day is disgusting.
What Drake is doing now in my mind he is a saint by comparison to all these evil people you have in US. So, instead of you people, and you all know who you are, showing off how clever you all are in demonising Drake, why do you not use your self importance regarding your intelllect to better purposes? There are many areas where you could be critisising with vigour and also help the nation you seem to be so proud of. Instead of coming to the Drake updates thread and attacking and mocking what you believe to be gullible people here, why don't you start criticising the evil bastards that you vote in to power every 4 years who help the cabal to carry out all the crimes against babies and young children. If I were like you and someone like me said what I have said, I would feel ashamed to say the least.

Stan

[gripreaper]

NEWS from Neil Keenan – July 23, 2012
by Drake

From: Neil Keenan To: 'Drake Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 5:27 AM Subject: RE: as per our conversation

Good Morning my friend,

As always I want to keep things clear so no one gets confused most especially me. The case and the liens are two different issues. For the case I must return to Asia to receive the rest of the documentation, I have most recently been promised, that ties in much more than jurisdictional issues. It ties in actions.

As you know the phony Euros printed by the European Central Bank are in our possession in Indonesia . These notes are outright fraud and we have all the answers back to us from the system. They have no value but they made them as payment for the interest on the Gold from the Global Accounts. Once submitted as frauds the European Central Bank could be out of business. If not then I will go back and bring back millions of Euros and let the ECB accept them and validate them or get out of business. Then you have the end of this atrocity called the European Commission headed by some Eastern European Mummies from Hungary (Soros Boys).

Exposing the Euro is this simple.

Soon we will be auditing and validating what is real and what is not. The Indonesians have waited far to long for the long overdue promises to kick in. Asia has waited far too long. The Middle East has waited far too long. The world has waited far too long. Why? Because the Kazars/Nazis controlled US Corporation has stolen from the Collateral Accounts from Day One. Since when has a Kazar or Nazi ever kept even the simplest promise. In this case they saw the opportunity to financially control the world. Well, we are coming to close you down. Your days in the sun (you are all so white I think you hate sun) are over with. Exposure is already prevalent and in our hands but to literally take the money right out of your pockets will take just a little longer. When we shut you down then it is up to others to straighten out the wrongs.

To date we have closed up the BIS on you and frozen trading for 90 days and making it very difficult for you to do anything. The Central Banks are already in fault not default and in a few days they go into default. It is only going to get tougher and when it does you will become more desperate but guess what? There will be no corners to hide in so you will be forced to stay in the middle of the ring until this is over with. It is best you take a good long look at your situation because soon it will be too late.

Sorry Drake got carried away,
Neil Keenan

[xbusymom]

The problem is that the level of distraction and disinformation being discussed here is increasing alarmingly fast.

Just a year ago, I used to find a lot of interesting and intriguing threads here; now they´re becoming incredibly rare.



… probably because some of us who provided the intriguing lines of thought got tired of the Charles debacle and now the Drake plan , or maybe it is because the others that came on board lately elbowed us out by being systematically and constantly rude and insulting that we decided not to continue letting ourselves be abused like that... or maybe we just decided to stop talking the talk and do some real walking of the walk... we each have our reasons why we are not around as much anymore.

[Avocadess]

This is huge -- and very welcome. I copy here an email I received today sans name (since I did not get permission to list the author's name) -- Avocadess

"I am in Houston and will not be attending the meeting on Saturday.

"However, I thought since some of you will be meeting (and this info is for ALL no matter where you are), I provide a link for you to check out below.

http://itccs.org/

"You all may be familiar with the ITCCS (International Tribunal Into Crimes of Church and State) and their GLOBAL class action lawsuit. They are based in Canada.

"They have made a call for citizen participation in various countries and I have volunteered to be a Common Law juror and, as a result of volunteering, have surprisingly been directed to several people in Houston who also directly volunteered to join efforts in this undertaking. Clicking on the link will provide detailed info.

"What is also interesting, for me, about this is that a family member of mine is an attorney at the Center for Constitutional Rights who - back in September 2011 - also filed a lawsuit against with the International Criminal Court against the Pope and higher ups in the Vatican for crimes commited by the Church in the USA and other countries.

"Here is a link that will allow you to view the entire lawsuit.

http://ccrjustice.org/ICCVaticanProsecution

"Coincidently, Kevin Annett (ITCCS) and my family member(CCR) are meeting next month to determine how best they can join forces and work together on this most important matter.

"The creation of common law courts and procedures has been widely discussed in various arenas (whether military or otherwise) as you all may be aware in order to move out of admiralty court systems which do not usually allow for processing prosecutions against heads of state.

"If you feel so inclined - check it out.

"Peace"

[gripreaper]

"The creation of common law courts and procedures has been widely discussed in various arenas (whether military or otherwise) as you all may be aware in order to move out of admiralty court systems which do not usually allow for processing prosecutions against heads of state.


Somehow I knew this was coming. So, the evil cabalists are not going to be adjudicated based on the Law of the Sea, but the Law of the Land? Which land? Which venue? Under what subject matter jurisdiction? And of course, the jury will be totally impartial and will be able to vote with their conscience and not be instructed by the judge, who is just acting as a neutral magistrate. You know why? Because it will be a "grand jury" which consists of 25 people, not 12!

So, the old paradigm of Common Law adjudication is going to be used to usher us into the new paradigm of the golden age, a feudal system of jurisprudence developed over the last 5000 years, to settle disputes which are a part of duality, while attempting to transcend duality.

Now, that should be interesting.

[gripreaper]

COBRA UPDATE !!!! EXPLOSION OF LIGHT !!!!!!!

We are slowly approaching the Event horizon. The Event horizon is the exit point of the black hole of quarantine Earth. When we exit the black hole, there will be an explosion of Light.

This means an end of quarantine status for planet Earth and end of darkness in this universe.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HwyUvkU4aPI/UBGZZijfOpI/AAAAAAAAARc/zPjRQtTYd04/s1600/Event+Horizon.jpg

The quarantine was created by the dark forces 26,000 years ago and NOT by the Galactic Confederation. The Confederation would never lock up human race on an isolated planet.

What maintains the quarantine is quantum anomaly . Quantum anomaly is a distortion of time-space continuum on quantum level (called “error” in ancient gnostic texts). Quantum anomaly presents a difficulty for positive ET travel technologies. Positive ETs are not gods, they have their own limitations. Else they would liberate humanity long time ago.

The main structure that keeps humanity in third dimension are etheric implants. They form a network of black hole wormholes that was created by the Archons 26,000 years ago and strengthened with Magdalenian Archons invasion 16,000 years ago. Those black holes contain reptilians and their technology on etheric plane and they are being intensively purified by the Light forces right now. Etheric and astral black holes also contain a dark sepia ink elemental essence. That ink-like essence is what people call darkness because it absorbs etheric / astral light. When this ink is completely removed there will be an explosion of Light on non-physical planes.

By keeping the implants inside strong etheric electromagnetic fields eternity loops are created. Eternity loops are distortions of space-time continuum that give an impression that quarantine will last forever. Nothing could be further from the truth. The quarantine will be dissolved immediately when those electromagnetic fields are switched off and the Archons operating them are removed.

Another main structure is a special Archon technology on the etheric plane. They are projection chambers that project certain images / emotional states that are not ours on our outer auric membrane. So other people feel this projected image and not our true state. This is the source of most conflicts / projections in human relationships. When this technology is removed, people will suddenly find much more harmony in their relationships.

The last main factor of the quarantine is the ordinary (mundane) reality. This reality system is an artificial creation of the Cabal and most people buy into this reality frame without questioning it. The Cabal spends about three billion dollars daily to keep the illusion of the ordinary reality running. It does this by suppressing all real UFO evidence and free energy technologies and by maintaining nine to five job slavery for humanity. You can transcend the ordinary reality frame by adopting shamanic point of view of creating your own reality. By consciously creating your own reality bubble you help disintegrating the quarantine.

There is a special joint operation of the Resistance Movement, the Pleiadians and other positive ET races that dismantles the quarantine. I will be able to report more on this operation when certain conditions are met.

August and September are months of much background activity, but immediate results may not be visible. I suggest everybody to remain patient and calm within this time period, especially in September with another Uranus / Pluto square.

For those concerned with the Olympics false flag event, there is no reason to be afraid. All activities of the Cabal around the Olympics are closely monitored by the Resistance Movement. It is extremely unlikely that any major negative event will happen then.

http://2012portal.blogspot.ca/

Wow, the quarantine is lifted and no false flags! Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anchor]

Read #3473's text quotes kindly posted by gripreaper above.

I suggest that this narrative is not the standard meaningful language of a liberator.

When you struggle to find meaning in those words, which you probably will do because it appears to be largely made up narrative; you will be subjected to influence and suggestion.

I recommend that you ensure that you hold yourself to your highest inner wisdom.

And if you think I am wrong - please show me - clause by clause in standard meaningful English with proper context and background.

[gripreaper]

DRAKE RADIO SHOW UPDATE FROM 07/25/2012 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

7/25/12 9:00 PM Drake Radio Interview Tonight. Radio Show

Drake said:
* Fox News is saying that they don't think the Arms Treaty will not pass the Senate.

* Senator Harry Reid says that the Audit the Fed bill will not be heard in the Senate.

* 56 million persons were rounded up in the world and exterminated AFTER gun controls on them were put into effect.

* Someone in the audience is preparing a standard Affidavit to arrest county directors of Homeland Security for treason. This can be made available for others to use.

* Neil Keenan's suit and liens are about to come to fruition.

* If the small arms treaty is not passed we still need to arrest those that pushed for it.

* He believes that the Aurora shooting is too strange to have done that on his own.

* We may see one or two arrests per day for awhile before the mass arrests.

* Most of the false flags events planned have been taken care of.

* There are several people working on standard Affidavits. They are working with attorneys, U.S. Marshals, etc.

* The most powerful thing we have going for the people is Neil Keenan with his ability to cut off the Cabal's money.

* Neil Keenan says the Euro can be taken down in one day.

* He does not feel that foreign troops will invade the U.S. due to lack of cash by the Cabal.

* He is having contact with various Congressmen, so hopefully that will be a big help in what we are trying to achieve.

* The Federal Reserve has been shut down from printing money at this time.

No money can be printed without the approval of Neil Keenan.

[gripreaper]

MARINES ACTIVATE 1500 TROOPS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Marines Activate 1500 Law Enforcement Troops

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6CiFVkV3Uq8/UBNCLgo9qEI/AAAAAAAACXw/_-dDAyROoyk/s320/marines.jpg

Specialized Force of Military Police Officers Activated with Powers of Arrest on U.S. and Foreign Soil.


Camp Pendleton California
The Marine Corps has created and activated 3- 500 troop Law Enforcement Battalions, their first law enforcement division in their long history, a specialized force of military police officers that it hopes can be quickly deployed worldwide to help investigate and make arrests for a wide range of crimes. Major Jan Durham said the Marine Corps has had battalions on and off since WW2, but those battalions primarily acted as security personnel. Many who are following the arrests of the members of the criminal cabal see this as good news and corroboration of reports that U.S. troops are indeed on the front lines making these arrests, and these three newly activated battalions are now on their way to join the campaign.

http://www.ascensionearth2012.org/

Also,the Galactic federation of Light wants us to shore up our coastlines and build, under "Project 1" fortifications, to keep us safe from coastal inundations!

Excerpt:

Mounting problems and difficulties in you world precipitate a faster move-up of some of the projects we have earlier discussed with you, dear ones. We have convened, and we have reached a decision that we will at this time begin our many projects with you, one at a time and in order of their urgency and importance. What we would like to see today is a showing of hands, if you will, of those who wish to take part in our first project which will be the strengthening and re-fortification of seawalls of your shorelines in strategic areas of your world where your shores are not adequately protecting communities inland. We would like to see you leave your names under our message today wherever it is you find this message and we will duly note your names if we consider you a safe prospect and an addition to our team that will be a positive.

[Kimberley]

FYI

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2179995/A-mass-shooting-happens-FIVE-days-America-Interactive-map-shows-gun-violence-epidemic-sweeping-nation.html

[gooty64]

Grip?, Did you have a "walk-in" while I was away the past few months?

If so, who are you now? or maybe I should ask- how are you now or, are you OK?;)


MARINES ACTIVATE 1500 TROOPS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Marines Activate 1500 Law Enforcement Troops

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6CiFVkV3Uq8/UBNCLgo9qEI/AAAAAAAACXw/_-dDAyROoyk/s320/marines.jpg

Specialized Force of Military Police Officers Activated with Powers of Arrest on U.S. and Foreign Soil.


Camp Pendleton California
The Marine Corps has created and activated 3- 500 troop Law Enforcement Battalions, their first law enforcement division in their long history, a specialized force of military police officers that it hopes can be quickly deployed worldwide to help investigate and make arrests for a wide range of crimes. Major Jan Durham said the Marine Corps has had battalions on and off since WW2, but those battalions primarily acted as security personnel. Many who are following the arrests of the members of the criminal cabal see this as good news and corroboration of reports that U.S. troops are indeed on the front lines making these arrests, and these three newly activated battalions are now on their way to join the campaign.

http://www.ascensionearth2012.org/

Also,the Galactic federation of Light wants us to shore up our coastlines and build, under "Project 1" fortifications, to keep us safe from coastal inundations!

Excerpt:

Mounting problems and difficulties in you world precipitate a faster move-up of some of the projects we have earlier discussed with you, dear ones. We have convened, and we have reached a decision that we will at this time begin our many projects with you, one at a time and in order of their urgency and importance. What we would like to see today is a showing of hands, if you will, of those who wish to take part in our first project which will be the strengthening and re-fortification of seawalls of your shorelines in strategic areas of your world where your shores are not adequately protecting communities inland. We would like to see you leave your names under our message today wherever it is you find this message and we will duly note your names if we consider you a safe prospect and an addition to our team that will be a positive.

[gripreaper]

Grip?, Did you have a "walk-in" while I was away the past few months?

If so, who are you now? or maybe I should ask- how are you now or, are you OK?;)

I'm fine gooty, good to see you back.

In case you are not up to speed, the Great Central Sun Council sent out a decree to the Pleiadian's to take out all of the bad ET's and render their motherships inoperable, rescuing the genetic soul experiments and removing them to rehabilitation centers, while all of the bad ET's were destroyed. Also, there are galactic resistance forces coming from underground who are partaking in the ground offensive under Operation Omega Phoenix, to take out the cabal, using Operation Stardust to render the nervous systems of these elite inoperable, paralyzing them and then disintegrating them into source particles, without any memory of individuation, returning these disintegrated particles back to the Great Central Sun.

The "boots on the ground" are Drake, who is the liaison to the joint chiefs of staff in the US military who are standing with the re-emerged original organic states, who have filed paperwork declarations, notices and affidavits with the Hague, and liened the cabals assets, and are standing at the ready with Drake to take back the republic and mass arrest all of the evil cabal in an "event" which will be televised on mainstream TV, but which has been delayed and misunderstood, with the organized militia helping during the transition which may cause civil unrest and a disruption in essential services. We are being encouraged to polish our guns, prepare for war, and stock up on toilet paper.

An additional patriotic and journalistic emissary for the Pleiadian's, known as Lady Dragon, the self proclaimed global journalist who is famous in the video gaming industry, who google is trying to shut down because her message is so profound and needs to get out there, who has been to the Playboy mansion as one of her many credits, keeps us abreast as to what COBRA is doing, the Pleiadian, in regards to the resistance movements from the disincarnate ET good guys of the galactic federations, and helps Drake on his twice weekly radio show to help us understand and get ready for the changing of the guard, where all of the bad guys will be replaced with good guys in government and industry and banking.

Since the Neil Keenan liens have rendered the cabal defenseless to where they can no longer create money out of thin air, and the Bank of International Settlements has been shut down by Keenan and his liens, and no money can be printed without Keenan's permission, there will be a new golden age ushered in with prosperity for everyone, distribution of the global settlement accounts, NESARA will be implemented, a global debt jubilee, and the development of an asset backed global currency which is fair to everyone and will be backed by precious metals which are hidden all over the planet and belong to the ancient Dragon Families and were absconded through bonds issued around 60 years ago, which are now due and payable with interest.

Many channelers, such as Sheldan Nidle, Steve Beckow, SaLuSa, The Galactic Federation of Light, Sierra Neblina, The Plieadain High Council, Montaque Keen, Poofness, The Ashtar Command, and St Germaine are also guiding us and helping us to wade through all of this transition.

Those on the ground who are keeping us abreast include, but are not limited to, Ben Fulford, David Wilcock, Lady Dragon, Minuteman, and Drake. They are teaching us how to prepare by storing long term essentials, preparing for war with the cabal, joining our local militias, making citizens arrests, and most of all..

They are all helping us to avoid dis-info, warning us about dis-info out there, and are encouraging us to stay tuned to the truth which they are sharing with us from their undisclosed "vetted" sources guaranteed to be sincere good guys. Although there have been no mass arrests to date, stick with this story since it is the correct one.

There, now you are up to speed. If you have any questions, just ask.

[gooty64]

Nice! Thanks for bringing me up to speed -it saves me a lot of reading and sorting thru.

Your summary/account post was music to my ears, now I can sleep well again tonight.:sleep:

btw, I have enough tp stockpiled for the whole neighborhood for a year. :secret:

Not to be a nit-pick but, Steve Beckow doesn't actually channel exactly. He is known to sit in with channels and ask questions to Arch-Angel Michael:angel: via the channeler/medium thoughby to said ascended master.

glad to read your posts again, :wave:Gooty/Alan



Grip?, Did you have a "walk-in" while I was away the past few months?

If so, who are you now? or maybe I should ask- how are you now or, are you OK?;)

I'm fine gooty, good to see you back.

In case you are not up to speed, the Great Central Sun Council sent out a decree to the Pleiadian's to take out all of the bad ET's and render their motherships inoperable, rescuing the genetic soul experiments and removing them to rehabilitation centers, while all of the bad ET's were destroyed. Also, there are galactic resistance forces coming from underground who are partaking in the ground offensive under Operation Omega Phoenix, to take out the cabal, using Operation Stardust to render the nervous systems of these elite inoperable, paralyzing them and then disintegrating them into source particles, without any memory of individuation, returning these disintegrated particles back to the Great Central Sun.

The "boots on the ground" are Drake, who is the liaison to the joint chiefs of staff in the US military who are standing with the re-emerged original organic states, who have filed paperwork declarations, notices and affidavits with the Hague, and liened the cabals assets, and are standing at the ready with Drake to take back the republic and mass arrest all of the evil cabal in an "event" which will be televised on mainstream TV, but which has been delayed and misunderstood, with the organized militia helping during the transition which may cause civil unrest and a disruption in essential services. We are being encouraged to polish our guns, prepare for war, and stock up on toilet paper.

An additional patriotic and journalistic emissary for the Pleiadian's, known as Lady Dragon, the self proclaimed global journalist who is famous in the video gaming industry, who google is trying to shut down because her message is so profound and needs to get out there, who has been to the Playboy mansion as one of her many credits, keeps us abreast as to what COBRA is doing, the Pleiadian, in regards to the resistance movements from the disincarnate ET good guys of the galactic federations, and helps Drake on his twice weekly radio show to help us understand and get ready for the changing of the guard, where all of the bad guys will be replaced with good guys in government and industry and banking.

Since the Neil Keenan liens have rendered the cabal defenseless to where they can no longer create money out of thin air, and the Bank of International Settlements has been shut down by Keenan and his liens, and no money can be printed without Keenan's permission, there will be a new golden age ushered in with prosperity for everyone, distribution of the global settlement accounts, NESARA will be implemented, a global debt jubilee, and the development of an asset backed global currency which is fair to everyone and will be backed by precious metals which are hidden all over the planet and belong to the ancient Dragon Families and were absconded through bonds issued around 60 years ago, which are now due and payable with interest.

Many channelers, such as Sheldan Nidle, Steve Beckow, SaLuSa, The Galactic Federation of Light, Sierra Neblina, The Plieadain High Council, Montaque Keen, Poofness, The Ashtar Command, and St Germaine are also guiding us and helping us to wade through all of this transition.

Those on the ground who are keeping us abreast include, but are not limited to, Ben Fulford, David Wilcock, Lady Dragon, Minuteman, and Drake. They are teaching us how to prepare by storing long term essentials, preparing for war with the cabal, joining our local militias, making citizens arrests, and most of all..

They are all helping us to avoid dis-info, warning us about dis-info out there, and are encouraging us to stay tuned to the truth which they are sharing with us from their undisclosed "vetted" sources guaranteed to be sincere good guys. Although there have been no mass arrests to date, stick with this story since it is the correct one.

There, now you are up to speed. If you have any questions, just ask.

[gripreaper]

Not to be a nit-pick but, Steve Beckow doesn't actually channel exactly. He is known to sit in with channels and ask questions to Arch-Angel Michael:angel: via the channeler/medium thoughby to said ascended master.

Well, although Steve Beckow is not an official channeler, he was the progenitor of the "black limousine galactic joyride", which did not materialize, and he agreed to go quietly into the night of obscurity, but it appears he has recovered quite nicely just like Blossom Goodchild did with her failed prognostications.

Apparently nowadays, in the internet age of all things digital, it is okay to make predictions, move the goalposts, use "sources" as being accurate and credible, miss deadlines, make egregious statements, and generally lead people down the primrose path without any pomp and circumstance, and still remain credible.

Interesting phenomenon to say the least, which makes me want to start a website, copy and paste a ton of glossy photo's with link attachments, and make presumptions and ask for donations, and then go out onto the seminar circuit. This working for a living is getting pretty old in the fiat debt system of slavery and I really need a new angle.

[9eagle9]

That is quite deliberate to do that so a false standard as to what true intuition, true inner knowledge is presented and people will attempt to live up to that false standard instead of doing what is necessary to allow the real article to express.

[Avocadess]

List of 100 arrests of bankers and inside traders (internationally) in the past month:

http://consciouslyconnecting.blog.co...rrested-oh-my/

6/23/12: Social welfare ‘scam’: Two bank officials arrested Muzaffarnagar, India Jul 23 (PTI) Two officials of a public sector bank were arrested for their alleged involvement in a multi-crore Rupee scam in the Uttar Pradesh social welfare department, police said today. The bank’s branch manager Pramod Sharma and cashier Rajender Sharma were arrested yesterday in this connection, SP (City) Raj Kamal Yadav said. He also said that a hunt was on to nab Anil Verma, the main accused in the scam that took place during 2008-09. A former district welfare officer, Rinku Singh Rahi, had alleged a multi-crore scam in the social welfare department by staging a dharna in Lucknow seeking reply to an RTI query in connection with the “scam”. The Samajwadi Party government had ordered a probe into Rahi’s charges after coming to power in March this year.
6/25/12: Ex-SMBC Banker Arrested Amid Insider Trading Probe - Tokyo, A former SMBC Nikko Securities Inc. executive was arrested yesterday, becoming the first banker from a major Japanese brokerage to be detained for suspected insider trading since 2008. The Securities and Exchange Surveillance Commission and Yokohama city prosecutors are investigating former SMBC Nikko executive Hiroyoshi Yoshioka, 50, and three other people, the financial watchdog said in a statement.
6/25/12: Indonesia: Sumatran city of Medan ‘turning into terror financing centre’ – Jakarta, 25 June (AKI/Jakarta Post) – Indonesian officials said Medan, in North Sumatra, is turning into a centre for terrorism financing, following the arrest of five suspects with assets worth nearly Rp 8 billion (US$848,000), allegedly used to fund paramilitary training and terrorism operations. A suspect led police and armed anti-terrorism personnel to seize four houses, one shop, three cars and seven motorcycles in three locations that were purchased using funds the arrested suspects got from hacking a multi-level marketing website.The members bought the account numbers of bank clients in and outside the country. Some terrorist suspects posed as multi-level marketing members and sought more customers. “The hackers transferred the credit points to their accounts, and then sold them to brokers, who transferred the money equivalent to their bank accounts.”
6/26/12: The Shmuckler Group Owner Sentenced to 90 Months for Mortgage Rescue Fraud Scheme - (Source: FBI) - ALEXANDRIA, VA—Howard R. Shmuckler, 68, of Virginia Beach, Virginia, was sentenced today to 90 months in prison, followed by three years of supervised release, for running a fraudulent mortgage rescue business that received substantial fees but actually modified clients’ mortgages in only a few cases. “Mr. Shmuckler is a cunning criminal who took advantage of distressed homeowners in desperate need of help,” said U.S. Attorney MacBride.
6/26/12: MD Man Indicted in Over $9M Investment Scheme - (Source: FBI) - BALTIMORE—A federal grand jury returned an indictment today charging Larry Michael Parrish, age 48, of Walkersville, Maryland, with offenses arising from an investment scheme. According to the 25-count indictment, Parrish was the president of IV Capital Ltd., which he represented to be an investment and trading company. Parrish devised a scheme to obtain approximately $9.2 million from nearly 70 individuals who agreed to invest in IV Capital.
6/26/12: Research firm executive arrested on insider trading charges: FBI New York, (Reuters) – Law enforcement authorities said on Tuesday they arrested and charged an executive at an investment research firm as part of the government’s wide-ranging probe of insider trading at the now-defunct Galleon Group hedge fund. Tai Nguyen of research firm Insight Research LLC surrendered to the FBI Tuesday morning, an FBI spokesman said, and was expected to appear in federal court in Manhattan later in the day. Nguyen was facing charges related to insider trading, the FBI said, but the exact charges have not yet been made public. The FBI and federal prosecutors in Manhattan have mounted a campaign to root out insider trading on Wall Street, focusing in part on employees at so-called expert network firms who they say helped funnel corporate secrets from consultants at companies to hedge funds.
6/27/12: Former Loan Officer Clayton Coe From Failed FirstCity Bank Admits Guilty to Bank Fraud Scheme- WASHINGTON, DC – The Office of the Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (SIGTARP) announced that Clayton A. Coe, 45, of McDonough, Georgia, the former Senior Commercial Loan Officer for FirstCity Bank of Stockbridge, Georgia, which failed and was seized by the FDIC, pleaded guilty yesterday to bank fraud. The plea is in connection with an $800,000 loan that Coe tricked FirstCity Bank’s Board of Directors into approving and from which he personally profited. He also pleaded guilty to filing a false federal income tax return with the IRS that omitted nearly a half million dollars of income from his job at the bank. ”Coe’s greed helped drive FirstCity Bank into the ground. He defrauded the bank to fund his ultimate payday and placed his interest in ill-gotten personal gain ahead of the interests of the bank, its customers, its investors, and the community the bank served. It’s precisely that sort of behavior that has robbed the public of its confidence in the banking industry and its institutions, and for his fraud, Coe will be banned for life from ever again practicing banking.”
6/27/12: Ponzi Schemer Scott Rothstein Knew Fraud Was Collapsing - (Source: Sun Sentinel, Fort Lauderdale, Fla — The letter sent Scott Rothstein into a panic, he feared his colossal crimes were about to be exposed. It was February 2009, eight months before his $1.4 billion Ponzi scheme collapsed. A family of investors had sent him the letter demanding their $4.25 million back immediately, and Rothstein was certain they had uncovered his secret. “Holy s***, this is going to explode,” Rothstein recalled thinking. “They figured out the Ponzi scheme. They know there’s no money in the accounts. We are all going to jail.”
6/27/12: Lenny Dykstra Agrees to Plea Deal in Bankruptcy Fraud Case - (Source: Los Angeles Times) - LOS ANGELES — Former baseball star and self-styled financial guru Lenny Dykstra, already sentenced to three years in a California state prison for a car scam, has agreed to a plea deal on federal bankruptcy fraud charges after looting his mansion of valuables as he struggled to battle numerous creditors. Dykstra, who helped the New York Mets win the 1986 World Series and later became a celebrity stock picker before his finances dissolved in chaos in 2009, has racked up a score of charges in recent years. His fall from grace during the last two years has resulted in conviction for a car finance scam and a separate charge of lewd conduct with a deadly weapon. Federal prosecutors entered under seal a plea agreement with Dykstra in connection with his embezzlement from the bankruptcy estate case.
6/27/12: A Stockbroker’s Undisclosed Arrest Sets Off A Regulatory Cavalcade Of Disaster - For the purpose of proposing a settlement of rule violations alleged by the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (“FINRA”), without admitting or denying the findings, prior to a regulatory hearing, and without an adjudication of any issue, Bruce Parish Hutson submitted a Letter of Acceptance, Waiver and Consent (“AWC”), which FINRA accepted. The AWC alleges that on April 21, 2009, Hutson was arrested for retail theft based on allegations that he stole merchandise from a retail store in Wisconsin. Contrary to Firm policy, Hutson did not advise his member firm of the arrest.
6/27/12: Barclays to Pay More Than $450 Million in Interest-Rate Settlement - (Source: Los Angeles Times) – NEW YORK — Barclays Bank PLC has agreed to pay more than $450 million to settle charges it attempted to manipulate keyinterest rates. The London-based investment bank announced settlements with the U.S. Department of Justice, the U.S. Commodities Futures Trading Commission and the BritishFinancial Services Authority. Investigators found the bank manipulated the London InterBank Offered Rate, or LIBOR, and the Euro Interbank Offered Rate, or EURIBOR, benchmark interest rates used in the world’s financial markets.
6/28/12: Mortgage Scheme Nets Crofton Man a Prison Sentence - (Source: By Jamie Smith Hopkins, The Baltimore Sun - A Crofton man was sentenced Wednesday to more than four years in prison for redirecting about $5 million in mortgage payoffs on 17 Maryland properties to himself and a co-defendant, according to federal prosecutors. Todd R. Bettin, 42, was assistant manager of At Home Mortgage when he conspired with the owner of a Gambrills settlement company to illegally benefit from money intended to pay off clients’ mortgages.
6/27/12: Bidzina Ivanishvili’s banks and company arrested - Georgia, Tbilisi, National Bureau of Georgia continues performing the proceedings of the “Georgia Dream” coalition leader, Bidzina Ivanishvili. As told Trend in Bureau, gathering information was carried out on the property registered on billionaire. Executive Bureau requested the national Bank of Georgia, the identity of a beneficial owner of the banks “Kartu” and “Progress bank” and found that the owner of 100% stake in the bank “Kartu” is a “Kartu group”, and 21.7% shares of “Progress bank” – the owner of the beneficiary. Information provided by the National Bank of Georgia, found that, in accordance with the law on commercial banks face when buying a share of the bank is obliged to put in the prescribed manner notify the National Bank. In case of non compliance with this rule, the transaction for the sale of shares is not valid. Because the National Bank of Georgia was not represented by a declaration in order to change ownership of the beneficiary bank “Kartu”, the owner of 100% stake in the bank “Kartu” is still Bidzina Ivanishvili.
6/29/12: Karkala: Bank Manager Arrested for Fraud - Karkala, Jun 29: Suresh KP (29) who was working as a manager in Bhuvanendra branch of Syndicate bank was arrested on charges of misappropriating funds on Wednesday June 27 and was sent to Hiriyadka Jail. It is learnt that he opened fake accounts in fictitious names and created fake loans on them. He used to withdraw money from ATMs, committing a fraud of Rs 13.84 lac.
6/29/12: FBI says arrests Bernard Madoff’s brother - NEW YORK, June 29 (Reuters) – The FBI said on Friday it had arrested Peter Madoff, the younger brother of swindler Bernard Madoff, who is serving a 150-year prison sentence for his multibillion dollar Ponzi scheme. The arrest of Peter Madoff was expected as he is due in federal court in Manhattan later Friday to plead guilty to charges related to his brother’s decades-long fraud. Federal prosecutors on Wednesday revealed in a letter that Peter Madoff had been criminally charged with participating in his brother’s fraud. He is the first Madoff family member to be arrested and charged.
7/2/12: Catonsville RE Appraiser Pleads Guilty for Trying to Obtain $4.3M in Fraudulent Mortgage Loans - (Source: FBI) - BALTIMORE—Real estate appraiser David C. Christian, age 62, of Catonsville, Maryland pleaded guilty today to conspiracy to commit wire fraud. According to his guilty plea, Christian appraised a number of properties on behalf of purchasers who were seeking financing through a mortgage brokerage company. At the request of a co-conspirator who controlled the mortgage brokerage company, Christian prepared at least 17 fraudulent appraisals for $4,306,950 in loans originated at the mortgage company. Christian falsified the appraisals by using fake photos and descriptions of the properties, misrepresenting the condition of the properties, and used inappropriate comparable properties. The total loss for the 17 loans amounted to $2,661,366.
7/2/12: Four Defendants Indicted in Alleged $9.1M Mortgage Fraud Scheme - (Source: FBI) - CHICAGO—Four defendants, including a licensed realtor and two licensed loan originators, were indicted for allegedly participating in a scheme to fraudulently obtain at least 42 residential mortgage loans totaling approximately $9.1 million from various lenders, federal law enforcement officials announced today. The indictment alleges that the mortgages were obtained to finance the purchase of properties throughout Chicago by buyers who were fraudulently qualified for loans while the defendants allegedly profited. The lenders and their successors incurred losses totaling approximately $4.7 million because the mortgages were not fully recovered through subsequent sales or foreclosures. All four defendants were charged with various counts of bank fraud, mail fraud, and wire fraud in a five-count indictment that was returned by a federal grand jury last Thursday. The indictment also seeks forfeiture of at least $4.7 million.
7/2/12: Gary Foster: Former VP of Citigroup Sentenced to 97 Month in Prison for Embezzlement - (Source: FBI) — Gary Foster, a former vice president in Citigroup, Inc.’s treasury finance department, was sentenced to 97 months’ imprisonment today on a conviction for bank fraud arising from his embezzlement of more than $22 million from Citigroup. Foster embezzled by first transferring money to Citigroup’s cash account and then wiring it to his personal bank account at another bank. Foster used the money to buy real estate and luxury automobiles, including a Ferrari and a Maserati. In total, the value of the seized and restrained property is estimated to be approximately $14 million.
7/2/12: Four Defendants Indicted in Alleged $9.1M Mortgage Fraud Scheme - (Source: FBI) - CHICAGO—Four defendants, including a licensed realtor and two licensed loan originators, were indicted for allegedly participating in a scheme to fraudulently obtain at least 42 residential mortgage loans totaling approximately $9.1 million from various lenders, federal law enforcement officials announced today. The indictment alleges that the mortgages were obtained to finance the purchase of properties throughout Chicago by buyers who were fraudulently qualified for loans while the defendants allegedly profited. All four defendants were charged with various counts of bank fraud, mail fraud, and wire fraud in a five-count indictment that was returned by a federal grand jury last Thursday.
7/2/12: FTC Wins Multi Million Dollar Case Against Foreclosure Assistance Scam That Gave False Promises - (Source: FTC) — The Federal Trade Commission won a $2.6 million federal court judgment against three defendants behind a scheme that charged consumers large upfront fees and failed to deliver the mortgage modifications they promised. The FTC alleged that the defendants behind Crowder Law Group promised relief from burdensome mortgages by falsely claiming they could modify consumers’ mortgages and substantially reduce their monthly payments; exaggerating the role an attorney would play in obtaining a loan modification; and pretending to be affiliated with a government agency.
7/3/12: Mortgage Broker Gets Probation - (Source: The Pueblo Chieftain, Colo. – A Pueblo mortgage broker convicted in May of bilking at least $160,000 from a friend, was sentenced Monday to five years probation and may serve a 90-day jail term pending an appeal. Anthony Paglione, 61, was convicted for misappropriating money from Vincent Gagliano through a complicated series of loan swaps between two Pueblo homes. Paglione said the financial collapse the country has seen is one reason for what has happened.
7/4/12: Bank official threatens client, held - KOLKATA: A senior official of a private bank was has been arrested for allegedly sending threat mails to a city businessman. Sunil Bansali was rounded by police from Park Street on Monday night, police rounded from Park Street rounded up the bank official. Later, Bansali was produced in court and later released on bail. Sahni alleged that Bansali had demanded cut money to process the loan application, but Sahni turned him down. This made Bansali furious. He reportedly started harassing Sahni for money and later threatened to cancel the application.
7/5/12: U.S. Group: Lebanese Banks Laundering Money - (Source: The Daily Star, Beirut, Lebanon) — An anti-Iranian U.S. activist group is piling pressure on U.S. and European banks to dump their holding of Lebanese sovereign debt, describing Lebanon’s banking sector as a front for Iranian money laundering in cooperation with Hezbollah. “As a result of the actions and omissions of BDL [Lebanon's Central Bank] and the LBS [Lebanese banking system], Lebanon has become a sovereign money laundering jurisdiction that receives massive inflows of illicit deposits … from Hezbollah’s terror and criminal activities, and the illicit symbiotic relationships among Iran, Syria and Hezbollah,” said a press release issued Tuesday by the New York-based group United against Nuclear Iran. UANI argued that despite Lebanon’s “great risk of sovereign default” due to its high debt to GDP ratio, Lebanese sovereign bonds showed “irrational strength” that corresponds with increased pressure against Iran. UANI is also pushing to bar Lebanese financial institutions from participating in the U.S. financial system, urging the U.S. Treasury to designate Lebanon’s financial system as a “money laundering concern” under a statute of the Patriot Act.
7/5/12: Boxford Man Pleads Guilty to $6.9M Fraud Scheme - (Source: FBI) – ALEXANDRIA, VA—James W. Massaro, 70, of Boxford, Massachusetts, pled guilty today to engaging in a fraudulent foreign investment scheme that defrauded at least 20 victims of more than $6.9 million. Massaro pled guilty to one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud. He faces a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison when he is sentenced on September 21, 2012.
7/5/12: Threat To Broker’s Client Assets Ends - The winding-up of a former Bahamian broker/dealer whose principal pled guilty in the US to money laundering is close to completion, its liquidator saying the Attorney-General’s withdrawal of a Forfeiture Order registration had eliminated a potential threat to client assets.
7/6/12: Prosecutors seek arrest warrant for Lee’s brother, ruling party lawmaker over bank scandal SEOUL, July 6 (Yonhap) — Prosecutors on Friday sought court warrants to arrest President Lee Myung-bak’s elder brother and a ruling party lawmaker for further questioning about their alleged involvement in a bank bribery scandal. Lee Sang-deuk, a 77-year-old former lawmaker of the ruling Saenuri Party, and Chung Doo-un, a legislator from the same party, were specifically charged with violating the law on political funds and peddling influence in exchange for accepting huge amounts of money from operators of two troubled savings banks. Prosecutors have found the chairmen of the banks extensively lobbied politicians and officials to avoid regulatory punishment. Despite these efforts, the two banks — Solomon Savings Bank and Mirae Savings Bank — had their businesses suspended earlier this year for lack of capital. The chairmen were later indicted on charges of extending illegal bank lending and conducting management irregularities.
7/6/2012: Ex-Bankas Snoras Owners Arrested Again in U.K. Over Fraud Claims - Bankas Snoras AB’s former owners were arrested again in London today on expanded claims they siphoned at least 1.7 billion litas ($609.5 million) from the failed Lithuanian lender to finance luxurious lifestyles. Russian banker Vladimir Antonov and his business partner Raimondas Baranauskas, who were detained in November and are fighting extradition to Lithuania, were arrested a second time after authorities probing the bank’s collapse in the Baltic country issued another European arrest warrant containing new allegations, John Hardy, a lawyer for the prosecution, said at a scheduled hearing today in London’s Westminster Magistrates Court.
7/6/12: Financial Adviser to be Tried Over the Theft of $2.2 Million - (Source: By The Honolulu Star-Advertiser (MCT) – A financial adviser accused of stealing $2.2 million from 22 active and retired city employees is scheduled to go on trial in state court next month for securities fraud and money laundering. Bruce M. Harada, 53, pleaded not guilty to the charges June 28. He remains in custody, unable to post $250,000 bail. He was an independent financial adviser for ING North America Corp., managing the deferred compensation accounts of active and retired city employees. Harada convinced at least 22 people to withdraw money from their deferred compensation accounts to reinvest in a mutual fund he said was authorized by ING. Instead Harada put it in his personal account and spent it for his own use, Van Marter said.
7/6/12: Fenton Man Pleads Guilty in $100-Million Mortgage Scheme - (Source: Detroit Free Press – A Fenton man pleaded guilty Thursday to running a massive mortgage fraud scheme that cost lenders more than $100 million in losses — some of which was used to buy cars, boats, trips and a helicopter for several con artists who were in on the scam, according to authorities. The U.S. Attorney’s Office said the ringleader, Ronnie E. Duke, 45, ran a nearly four-year scheme with eight others that involved more than 500 fraudulent mortgage loans, more than 100 straw buyers and roughly 180 residential properties in metro Detroit. The properties were used as, or falsely portrayed as, collateral for the loans, most of which went into default and foreclosure, authorities said.
7/6/12: FBI: Enumclaw finance adviser stole $2M, faked suicide - An Enumclaw financial planning adviser who allegedly left a fake suicide note in his car parked on Deception Pass has been arrested and charged with stealing at least $2 million from his clients, including one client whose death he also allegedly faked to collect the man’s life insurance. Aaron Travis Beaird, who worked as a financial planning adviser in Enumclaw, has been charged with wire fraud. The Federal Bureau of Investigation arrested him July 2 at SeaTac airport when he returned to Washington state from an undisclosed location.
7/7/12: Bank of India official arrested for bribery - Mumbai, July 7 — A senior official of the state-run Bank of India was nabbed red-handed while accepting a bribe of Rs.100,000, the Central Bureau of Investigation said here Saturday. Senior Manager Ganesh C. Das of the bank’s Mumbai main branch was trapped by CBI sleuths from the CST Station Friday evening taking the bribe from a financial consultant.
7/7/12: Judge: Bank fraud defendant to pay $712K - A federal judge has ordered a former Topeka bank vice president to pay more than $700,000 in restitution to the bank. Jennifer Hughes-Boyles, 40, of Topeka, Kansas pleaded guilty to bank fraud, a felony.
7/9/12: Enterprise Credit Union Employee in Dickinson County Pleads Guilty to Embezzling $85,000 - (Source: FBI) - TOPEKA, KS—A former employee of a credit union in Dickinson County has pleaded guilty to embezzling $85,000. Deborah A. Bomia, 46, Enterprise, Kansas, pleaded guilty to one count of embezzlement. In her plea, she admitted the crime occurred from April 30, 2005 to August 8, 2011, while she worked for Enterprise Credit Union in Enterprise, Kansas.
7/9/12: Johnson City Man Sentenced for Ponzi Investment Scheme That Lasted 15 Years - (Source: FBI) - Thomas E. Kelly, 64, of Johnson City, New York, was sentenced today in United States District Court to a term of imprisonment of four years and three months in connection with his previously entered plea of guilty to the felony crime of mail fraud. In addition, a term of five years’ supervised release, which will follow completion of Kelly’s prison sentence. Kelly was employed as a financial consultant by a number of banks located in the Binghamton, New York area. In his position as financial consultant, Kelly recommended that clients sell off legitimate securities investments in order to invest in a fictitious entity Kelly called Seneca Group. Kelly promised investors with Seneca Group a stable, secure investment. Instead, Kelly used money invested with Seneca Group to, make risky investments in the stock market and pay some of Kelly’s personal expenses. The amount of loss to investors as a result of Kelly’s scheme was almost one million dollars.
7/10/12: Dozens arrested in loan fraud scheme with victims in U.S, Canada - (Reuters) – Dozens of people were charged in what federal authorities on Tuesday called a highly sophisticated loan fraud scheme that robbed $2.7 million from at least 2,000 victims with poor credit histories in Canada and the United States. Would-be borrowers were lured to websites of 67 fictitious businesses with names similar to well-known lenders such as “Countrywide Funding,” which sounds similar to the legitimate Countrywide Financial Corp., and “Admiral Financial Services,” which mirrors Admiral Financial Corp., authorities said. They were approved for loans in exchange for security deposits ranging from a few hundred dollars to several thousand dollars – to be sent in advance of the flow of borrowed cash that never arrived.
7/10/12: Man From Anaheim Hills Sentenced to 144 Months in Prison for Tax and Mortgage Fraud - (Source: FBI) — Today, Gregory Flores, former manager at All Fund Mortgage in Anaheim Hills, was sentenced to 144 months’ imprisonment and three years of supervised release. U.S. District Judge J. Virginia Phillips also ordered Gregory Flores to pay over $1 million in restitution to homeowner victims and over $98,000 in restitution to the IRS for his role in a mortgage fraud conspiracy and for evading taxes.
7/10/12: Arlington Development Company Convicted in Mortgage Fraud Case - (Source: Dianna Hunt Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Texas (MCT) — An Arlington development company was convicted Monday and paid $50,000 in fines for participating in a complex $13 million mortgage fraud that operated throughout North Texas. In a rare criminal case against a corporation, Sierra Developers pleaded no contest to helping generate nearly $600,000 in fraudulent loans for the sale of two homes worth far less in Mansfield’s Twin Creeks subdivision in 2004.
7/11/12: Orange County Man Sentenced for Tax Evasion in Mortgage Fraud Conspiracy - (Source: FBI) - RIVERSIDE, CA—Today, Gregory Flores, former manager at All Fund Mortgage in Anaheim Hills, was sentenced to 144 months’ imprisonment and three years of supervised release. U.S. District Judge J. Virginia Phillips also ordered Gregory Flores to pay over $1 million in restitution to homeowner victims and over $98,000 in restitution to the IRS for his role in a mortgage fraud conspiracy and for evading taxes.
7/12/12: DOJ: Former Bank of the Commonwealth Executives Arrested for Alleged Fraud - Former executives and favored borrowers at the failed Bank of the Commonweath have been arrested and charged with masking nonperforming assets for their own benefit, in a scheme that contributed to the Virginia bank’s 2011 collapse, the Justice Department said.
7/12/12: Former bank manager pleads guilty to embezzlement - NEW ORLEANS (AP) – U.S. Attorney Jim Letten says a former manager of a Whitney Bank branch in Metairie has admitted stealing more than $56,000 from the bank. He says 50-year-old Karen Sork pleaded guilty Wednesday to bank theft, and could get up to 10 years in prison and $250,000 in fines, and restitution. Court documents say she was a banking officer and manager at the branch from December 2008 to August 2009, and sometimes acted as a teller. It says that when she did, she would regularly take cash from her “cash drawer,” put it into her personal accounts, and fill in a false amount of money on the balance sheet at the end of her shift.
7/13/12: Peregrine CEO arrested on fraud charges - WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Russell Wasendorf, the head of failed futures broker Peregrine Financial Group Inc., was arrested on Friday and charged with making false statements to the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. Wasendorf’s arrest comes after the CFTC filed a lawsuit against Iowa-based investment firm he oversaw, commonly known as PFGBest, alleging that the firm committed fraud by misappropriating roughly $215 million in customer funds. PFGBest filed for bankruptcy this week. The criminal complaint cites a seeming confession left by Wasendorf, who attempted to commit suicide on Monday. “I have committed fraud,” he said in a note referred to in the complaint. “Through a scheme of using false bank statements I have been able to embezzle millions of dollars from customer accounts” at the company. He added the scheme has been going on for nearly 20 years.
7/13/12: Former Hypo Bank Boss Arrested - Celje, 13 July (STA) – Božidar Špan, the former CEO of Austrian-owned Hypo Alpa Adria Bank, was detained Friday morning. Unofficial information indicates police are investigating the bank’s dealings with bankrupt builder Vegrad.
7/16/12: Nigeria: NCC Arrests Bank Manager Over Unregistered Internet Band - Akure — A manager with a first generation bank in Akure, Ondo State was, arrested by the National Communication Commission, NCC, over the use of unauthorised internet facility.The action of NCC officials resulted in long queue on the bank premises and at the ATM machines. The internet link being used by the bank was not licensed for it.”If the bank wants to use the link, it should approach NCC for licence instead of tapping into it without clearance from the Federal Government.”
7/16/12: Bank worker, customers arraigned for N10m fraud- A senior official of Diamond Bank Plc, Oludare Kazeem, and two customers of the bank have been arraigned before a Yaba Magistrate Court in Lagos for allegedly defrauding the bank of N10million. Kazeem was said to have aided Abike Awosika, 60, and Ademola James, 55, to steal the money from the bank. They were said to have committed the fraud when Kazeem assisted James and Awosika in procuring forged statement of accounts from Access and Skye banks with which the customers withdrew N4.5million and N3.5million from the Oregun branch.
7/16/12: Devon man arrested in alleged investment scam - RADNOR, Pennsylvania — A $150,000 investment into a business venture ended with a $198,000 loss for a Radnor couple and felony charges against their investment broker. Richard D. Jameison Jr., 42, is free on bail, charged with three felony counts of writing bad checks and one count of deceptive business practices, also a felony.
7/17/12: Bank teller charged over $250k fraud- A Sydney bank teller will face court next month charged with siphoning $250,000 from clients’ accounts. Police arrested the 39-year-old after investigations into an alleged fraud. Between October 2010 and January this year the woman, who worked for an inner-city bank, transferred the money into her own account. She has been charged with seven counts of dishonestly obtaining financial advantage by deception.
7/17/12: Two North County SD Loan Officers Admit Participating in Mortgage Fraud Scheme - (Source: FBI) – United States Attorney Laura E. Duffy announced that Simon Saeid Koli entered a guilty plea in federal court in San Diego today to count one of an indictment charging him and co-defendant Kian Ashkanizadeh with conspiracy to commit mail fraud, wire fraud, and money laundering in connection with a mortgage fraud scheme. Both defendants, who worked at a mortgage company called Southern California Finance, admitted that they recruited family members and friends to supply their names and signatures on mortgage loan applications. The defendants they then fabricated the job titles, income, and assets of the purported buyers, so they could qualify for approximately $1 million in mortgage funding on each of the properties. They diverted $200,000 in sham “consulting fees” and another $45,000 in fraudulent “construction fees” from each of the four transactions. The defendants took for themselves most of this extra $980,000 that they diverted from the escrow proceedings.
7/18/12: Former Star Bank Manager in Bertha Sentenced for Stealing $80K from Bank - (Source: FBI) - MINNEAPOLIS—Earlier today in federal court in St. Paul, the former vice president and branch manager of the Star Bank in Bertha, Minnesota, was sentenced for stealing $80,000 from the bank. United States District Court Judge Donovan W. Frank sentenced Kenneth Marlyn Ashbaugh, age 68, of Bertha, to five years of probation, along with 30 days in a county jail, six months of home confinement, and 500 hours of community service on one count of bank theft. In addition, Ashbaugh was ordered to pay more than $102,000 in restitution. Ashbaugh was charged on January 27, 2012, and pleaded guilty on March 5, 2012.
7/18/12: Man Behind Ponzi Scheme Gets 5 Years - ALBANY (Source: Times Union, Albany, N.Y. (MCT) — He took her money, her home and her credit. Now Arthur Strasnick is going to federal prison for five years — and his victim is dealing with the indefinite fallout from a financial “atrocity.” That’s what the woman told a federal judge Tuesday before Strasnick was sentenced for a nearly $2 million Ponzi scheme and mortgage scam. The 52-year-old victim said it left her in a financial nightmare and on the brink of suicide.
7/18/12: Bakersfield Family Indicted in Alleged Mortgage Fraud Scheme - (Source: The Bakersfield Californian (MCT) – The U.S. Department of Justice Tuesday unsealed a 26-count indictment against a Bakersfield family and their associates, accusing them of causing $5 million in lender losses in a years-long mortgage fraud scheme.Returned by a federal grand jury on Thursday, the 23-page indictment names Jara Brothers Investments Inc., or JBI, also known as Jara Brothers Development; and Pershing Partners, LLC, both property development companies.
7/18/12: LaRoque Indicted on Eight Counts of Theft, Unlawful Transactions Regarding Loan Business - (Source: The Free Press, Kinston, N.C. (MCT) – A federal grand jury has issued an eight-count indictment against Rep. Stephen LaRoque, R-Lenoir, for theft and misuse of funds from his small-business lending organizations. The office of Thomas G. Walker, U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of North Carolina, issued a 72-page indictment Tuesday detailing the 15-year history of the East Carolina Development Company Inc. LaRoque founded the ECDC in 1997 to loan federal funds to people in Eastern North Carolina who want to start a business but have been turned down by private lenders.
7/18/12: Former Chief Financial Officer of Bixby Energy Systems Inc. Sentenced for Securities Fraud and Tax Evasion - (Source: FBI) - MINNEAPOLIS—Earlier today in federal court in St. Paul, the former acting chief financial officer for Bixby Energy Systems Inc. was sentenced for lying to investors to get them to commit large sums of money to the business and for failing to file federal tax returns and reporting his income for three years, which resulted in a tax loss for the Internal Revenue Service of $825,866.United States District Court Judge Susan Richard Nelson sentenced Dennis Luverne Desender, age 65, to 97 months on one count of securities fraud and one count of tax evasion. On September 14, 2011, Desender was charged and pleaded guilty to securities fraud. On February 23, 2011, he was charged and pleaded guilty to tax evasion.
7/18/12: Ex-UBS France Employee Charged in Tax Inquiry After Raids - A judge leading a tax-fraud investigation concerning UBS AG’s French unit has charged a second person with aiding in illicit marketing and money laundering. UBS avoided prosecution in the U.S. in 2009 by paying $780 million, admitting it helped thousands of Americans evade taxes and turning over the names of 250 American clients to authorities. UBS later revealed another 4,450 accounts held by clients in the country.
7/18/12: Exclusive: U.S. Insider Trading Investigation Winding Down - Edward Brogan was Japan’s highest-profile hedge fund manager until he suddenly dropped out of view this month.Dubbed the “King of Tokyo” by traders, the 53-year-old American seemed to have it all: wealth, professional acclaim and status as a patron of contemporary art.In his best year, Brogan had managed over one billion dollars in his flagship Whitney Japan Fund, although much of that has been withdrawn.
7/19/12: Stockbroker arrested as a serial window smasher - How do relieve stress if you are a broker with a top flight firm? Michael Steven Poret, 58, a broker at UBS Financial Services in Los Angeles, had an interesting method. He was arrested recently by the LAPD and accused of vandalizing “numerous businesses along Ventura Boulevard and several private homes in Beverly Hills,” according to the LATimes. ”A witness account and private surveillance footage have depicted the vandal as a graying man in white gloves firing marbles at plate glass windows with a slingshot from the driver’s seat of his car, then driving away in no apparent hurry. Authorities believe that Poret could be connected to more than 20 vandalism incidents in Beverly Hills and more than 50 in Encino, as well as several other vandalism reports authorities have received in Van Nuys and Topanga Canyon. The vandal appears to target businesses indiscriminately, hitting coffee shops, an autism treatment center and a salon.”
7/19/12: European report rips into Vatican bank for lack of oversight, transparency - A European report on Wednesday identified serious failings in the Vatican’s scandal-plagued bank, sharply criticizing its management and giving the Holy See a negative rating in almost half the most important transparency-related criteria. The Vatican said it saw the 241-page report as a constructive starting point that would allow it to improve its financial controls rather than as a conclusion. The report, by Moneyval, a department of the Council of Europe, was particularly pointed in its criticism of the management of the Vatican bank, officially known as the Institute for Works of Religion (IOR), and “strongly recommended” it be “independently supervised by a prudential supervisor in the near future.”
7/19/12: Hyderabad: Police arrest owner of investment company - Hyderabad, July 19 (PTI) City police today arrested V Ramesh, Managing Director of City Facility Management Services, for allegedly duping hundreds of investors by promising high returns and collecting deposits of Rs 43 crore. Investors approached the police after Ramesh became untraceable and office of the company was locked. Police have received complaints from about 1,800 investors so far. According to police, Ramesh had paid his investors around Rs 33 crore towards returns. The rest, he allegedly misappropriated. Some of the money was used for stock market trading. Personnel from Central Zone of Special Task Force arrested him and seized a four-wheeler, a laptop and a cash of Rs 40 lakh. Probe revealed that Ramesh, a commerce drop-out, had earlier been arrested in Kavali and Tirupathi in cases of theft and cheating some time ago. There was also a dowry harassment case pending against him, lodged by his wife.
7/19/12: Eleven Charged, Arrests Made In $15 Million Mortgage Fraud Scheme - CAMDEN, N.J. – Eleven individuals from five states are charged in New Jersey for their alleged roles in a $15 million mortgage fraud scam that used phony documents and “straw buyers” to make illegal profits on overbuilt condos, including a defendant who attempted to murder a witness to the scheme, New Jersey U.S. Attorney Paul J. Fishman announced.
7/20/12: Fulton County investment adviser arrested on securities fraud charges - WARFORDSBURG, Pennsylvania – Three years after the SEC first brought a civil suit against a Fulton County investment adviser, Robert G. Bard, has been arrested on securities fraud charges.Bard was indicted by the federal grand jury in Harrisburg, on Wednesday, in a 21-count Indictment charging one count of securities fraud, 14 counts of wire fraud, three counts of mail fraud, one count of bank fraud, one count of investment adviser fraud, and one count of making false statements to the FBI. Bard faces up to 20 years’ imprisonment on the securities fraud charge, up to 20 years’ imprisonment on the wire and mail fraud charges, up to 30 years’ imprisonment on the bank fraud charge, and up to five years’ imprisonment on the investment adviser fraud and false statements charge, as well as substantial fines and penalties if convicted.
7/20/12: Malaysia’s Securities Commission Spokeswoman: Sime Darby Director Arrested for Alleged Insider Trading - A director of Malaysian conglomerate Sime Darby Bhd. (4197.KU) has been arrested for alleged insider trading, a spokeswoman at the country’s Securities Commission said Friday.
7/20/12: Kumar Gets Probation for His Galleon Trial Cooperation - Crime doesn’t pay, but the lesson from insider-trader Anil Kumar’s case is that it pays to cooperate if you get caught. Kumar, 53, the former McKinsey & Co. partner, was facing 25 years in prison after pleading guilty to participating in an insider-trading scheme with Galleon Group LLC co-founder Raj Rajaratnam. Instead, he received a term of two years’ probation. U.S. Circuit Judge Denny Chin in Manhattan yesterday said he wouldn’t send Kumar to prison, and cited what prosecutors called Kumar’s “essential” and “extraordinary” cooperation as the first and key witness in the biggest insider-trading cases in U.S. history.
7/20/12: SJ Bank Manager, Husband Bilk Victim of $1.1 M- A JP Morgan Chase bank manager and her husband were convicted Thursday of scamming a 97-year-old man out of $1.1 million in life savings, according to the Santa Clara County District Attorney. Prosecutors said that bank manager Christina Bray, 30, befriended the elderly banking client and pretended to manage his financial affairs. Instead, prosecutors said, Bray and her husband, Jimmy Bray, 39, of San Jose, spent the victim’s money on luxury cars and liposuction. The couple pleaded guilty to several counts of felony elder theft.
7/20/12: UCO Bank manager, assistant held for fraud- NAGPUR: Kanhan police on Saturday arrested manager of UCO Bank, Gondegaon branch, for allegedly defrauding the bank of Rs1.52 crores. The assistant manager of the bank too has been arrested. The police are now looking for a private agent in the case. The manager, Anand Padikar (49) was produced before the court along with assistant manager Shrikant Joshi by the police on Saturday.
7/23/12: Suspect in underground bank network arrested - Shanghai police broke up an illegal banking network recently that involved 2 billion yuan ($314 million). The main suspect, identified only as Ge, 41, is accused of illegally making 2 million yuan in two years before he was detained. The underground banking network had more than 20 accounts in Shanghai and Zhejiang, Jiangsu and Guangdong provinces, according to investigators. In 2010, he is alleged to have developed an illegal foreign exchange network, China National Radio reported.
7/23/12: Former East Berlin Woman Gets Almost 20 Years for Fraud - (Source: Greg Gross The York Dispatch, Pa. (MCT) — A former East Berlin real-estate agent who defrauded mortgage lenders of more than $6.2million by filing false loan applications, then pocketed about $2.3 million of that money, was sentenced to nearly 20 years in prison. Joanne M. Seeley, 42, now of South Carolina, was sentenced Friday to 238 months in prison following a two-day sentencing hearing. Seeley was convicted in November of four counts each of wire fraud and money laundering.
7/23/12: Irish banker McAteer arrested by Anglo probe fraud squad officers - Willie McAteer is set to become the first banker prosecuted over the collapse of the toxic Anglo Irish Bank in 2008-2009. McAteer, an executive in the former rogue lender, is due in court in Ireland on fraud charges. Anglo’s former finance director was arrested this morning by fraud squad officers investigating financial irregularities at the bust bank.
7/23/12: Former Financial Services Executive Indicted for Participation in a Conspiracy and Scheme to Defraud Involving Investment Contracts - (Source: FBI) - WASHINGTON—A former financial services executive was indicted yesterday for his participation in a far-reaching conspiracy and scheme to defraud related to bidding for contracts for the investment of municipal bond proceeds and other municipal finance contracts, the Department of Justice announced. The indictment charges Phillip D. Murphy, a former executive for a financial institution, with participating in a wire fraud scheme and separate fraud conspiracies from as early as 1998 until 2006.
7/24/12: Anglo Irish Bank’s ex-CEO arrested for fraud - DUBLIN – Fraud detectives arrested the former chief executive of Anglo Irish Bank and charged him Tuesday over a conspiracy to hide colossal losses at the bank that brought the nation to the brink of bankruptcy. Forensic accountants found that Anglo provided secret loans to 16 insiders on condition they used the €1.1 billion ($1.35 billion) to buy Anglo stock.
7/24/12: Former HSBC Employee Falciani Arrested In Spain, Mediapart Says - Herve Falciani, a former software technician at HSBC Holdings Plc’s Swiss private bank who gave client data to a French prosecutor, was arrested in Spain, Mediapart reported in a summary of an article on its website, without saying where it got the information. Switzerland accuses Falciani of stealing data and breaching banking secrecy, according to the report.
7/24/12: Arrest of traders for rates manipulation imminent - US PROSECUTORS and European regulators are close to arresting individual traders and charging them with colluding to manipulate global benchmark interest rates, according to people familiar with a sweeping investigation into the rigging scandal. Federal prosecutors in Washington, DC, have recently contacted lawyers representing some of the suspects to notify them that criminal charges and arrests could be imminent, said two of those sources, who asked not to be identified because the investigation is ongoing.
7/24/12: Six Guilty in U.K. Insider-Trading Ring at Banks’ Printers - Spain and Italy reinstated a short- sale ban on stocks as bank shares plunged to record lows, bond yields rose and the euro traded below its lifetime average against the dollar on concern the debt crisis is growing. Spain’s CNMV market regulator banned the creation of negative bets on equities through shares, derivatives and over- the-counter instruments for three months. Italy’s Consob prohibited the practice on 29 banking and insurance stocks for one week, citing “grave tensions” in financial markets.


[This list goes on a lot further -- and the original list is numbered to 100. This software did not allow me to post all of the arrests due to word limit, so to see them all please go to the link at the very top of this post.]

*************************
It is unfortunate but true that when Drake and Wilcock did their interview to let the world know of plans for arrests, they were made to sound like it would all happen in just a few days or so. Drake believed that too. He was since told -- maybe two months ago? -- that the arrests will be "one-by-one." That the strategy had changed.

As disappointing as it was to hear that the mass arrest scenario was not going to play out, it was immediately apparent to me that the "one-by-one" approach was much saner and would not risk "freaking out" the populace in the way "mass arrests" would.

[TargeT]

List of 100 arrests of bankers and inside traders (internationally) in the past month:

http://consciouslyconnecting.blog.co...rrested-oh-my/

I just "know" this is "shedding of the old wood"

I don't know why and I kind of wish I did.. this seems like an intentional ditching in preparation for the new global mindset, you have to get rid of the old nationalistic mentalities..

[Avocadess]

That's always a possibility. I hope you are wrong, TargeT.

[9eagle9]

No the bad guys are arresting all the bad guys to make room for the good guys who can't find their arse with both hands.

People seem to perceive the banking cartels and the ptb in general as this vast wall of darkness united against the little guy personally.

In actuality there is nothing control drama and power struggle within the structures of power, everyone scrambling for dominance.Families and bloodlines caught in ages old enimity, banking cartels all scrambling for the last buck, the edge, the means of getting to the top of the pyramid. While we have the potential to be quite a threat to them, in the more immediate moment, they are threatening each other.

Arresting each other--not the same as meteing out justice.

[TargeT]

That's always a possibility. I hope you are wrong, TargeT.

me too, I see too little "hope" inspiring events these days, (in my mind) there are not enough things (inspiring events) happening for the weak willed; I'll soldier on.. I'm a 6 (numerology ) ;) haha

[gooty64]

It is unfortunate but true that when Drake and Wilcock did their interview to let the world know of plans for arrests, they were made to sound like it would all happen in just a few days or so. Drake believed that too. He was since told -- maybe two months ago? -- that the arrests will be "one-by-one." That the strategy had changed.

As disappointing as it was to hear that the mass arrest scenario was not going to play out, it was immediately apparent to me that the "one-by-one" approach was much saner and would not risk "freaking out" the populace in the way "mass arrests" would.

OK, for some reason and it could be just me but, this mass arrests or 100 arrests sounds absurd to me.

Who is doing the arresting? Where are the arrested being im-prisoned? How can we document/prove these arrests? Can we interview the arrestors and the arrested?

The 100 arrests listed above would surely have happened within the current corrupt system and it is implied that the bad guys are arresting the bad guys. How does that have any impact for change? It doesn't make any common sense to me about the corrupt announcing they are arresting these scapegoats.

I was thinking all along the "mass arrests" were going to be accomplished by some super-natural :ufo: group. Maybe I have been "away" too long?

Can anyone explain to me the consensus Avalon working hypothesis for who is in charge of these mass arrests? I mean after 3,400 posts on this thread it must be clear who the arrestors are by now, right?

[modwiz]

It is unfortunate but true that when Drake and Wilcock did their interview to let the world know of plans for arrests, they were made to sound like it would all happen in just a few days or so. Drake believed that too. He was since told -- maybe two months ago? -- that the arrests will be "one-by-one." That the strategy had changed.

As disappointing as it was to hear that the mass arrest scenario was not going to play out, it was immediately apparent to me that the "one-by-one" approach was much saner and would not risk "freaking out" the populace in the way "mass arrests" would.

OK, for some reason and it could be just me but, this mass arrests or 100 arrests sounds absurd to me.

Who is doing the arresting? Where are the arrested being im-prisoned? How can we document/prove these arrests? Can we interview the arrestors and the arrested?

The 100 arrests listed above would surely have happened within the current corrupt system and it is implied that the bad guys are arresting the bad guys. How does that have any impact for change? It doesn't make any common sense to me about the corrupt announcing they are arresting these scapegoats.

I was thinking all along the "mass arrests" were going to be accomplished by some super-natural :ufo: group. Maybe I have been "away" too long?

Can anyone explain to me the consensus Avalon working hypothesis for who is in charge of these mass arrests? I mean after 3,400 posts on this thread it must be clear who the arrestors are by now, right?

I think it's Deputy Dawg. He's making a comeback.

[Chester]

Not to be a nit-pick but, Steve Beckow doesn't actually channel exactly. He is known to sit in with channels and ask questions to Arch-Angel Michael:angel: via the channeler/medium thoughby to said ascended master.

Well, although Steve Beckow is not an official channeler, he was the progenitor of the "black limousine galactic joyride", which did not materialize, and he agreed to go quietly into the night of obscurity, but it appears he has recovered quite nicely just like Blossom Goodchild did with her failed prognostications.

Apparently nowadays, in the internet age of all things digital, it is okay to make predictions, move the goalposts, use "sources" as being accurate and credible, miss deadlines, make egregious statements, and generally lead people down the primrose path without any pomp and circumstance, and still remain credible.

Interesting phenomenon to say the least, which makes me want to start a website, copy and paste a ton of glossy photo's with link attachments, and make presumptions and ask for donations, and then go out onto the seminar circuit. This working for a living is getting pretty old in the fiat debt system of slavery and I really need a new angle.

I was wondering if you had an agent yet? If not, I would be glad to represent you to numerous publishers of science fiction as well as to some talent scouts who can get you gigs writing screen plays. Let me know! justonenewageconnector

[Chester]

That's always a possibility. I hope you are wrong, TargeT.

me too, I see too little "hope" inspiring events these days, (in my mind) there are not enough things (inspiring events) happening for the weak willed; I'll soldier on.. I'm a 6 (numerology ) ;) haha

Birthpath? I am a 5 and somehow still alive!

[Chester]

It is unfortunate but true that when Drake and Wilcock did their interview to let the world know of plans for arrests, they were made to sound like it would all happen in just a few days or so. Drake believed that too. He was since told -- maybe two months ago? -- that the arrests will be "one-by-one." That the strategy had changed.

As disappointing as it was to hear that the mass arrest scenario was not going to play out, it was immediately apparent to me that the "one-by-one" approach was much saner and would not risk "freaking out" the populace in the way "mass arrests" would.

OK, for some reason and it could be just me but, this mass arrests or 100 arrests sounds absurd to me.

Who is doing the arresting? Where are the arrested being im-prisoned? How can we document/prove these arrests? Can we interview the arrestors and the arrested?

The 100 arrests listed above would surely have happened within the current corrupt system and it is implied that the bad guys are arresting the bad guys. How does that have any impact for change? It doesn't make any common sense to me about the corrupt announcing they are arresting these scapegoats.

I was thinking all along the "mass arrests" were going to be accomplished by some super-natural :ufo: group. Maybe I have been "away" too long?

Can anyone explain to me the consensus Avalon working hypothesis for who is in charge of these mass arrests? I mean after 3,400 posts on this thread it must be clear who the arrestors are by now, right?

Let's look at the math -

100 people in one month out of 7 billion is... .0000014% of humanity put on ice for awhile

at this rate in one year we will have .0000171% out of the picture

in five years that makes less than .0001%

you have got to be kidding me if anyone thinks that this tiny % of humanity taken out of the picture will make any difference (much less when we consider the 10 wanna be scammers waiting to take each one's place).

get real... please

now back to our regular programming

[gripreaper]

Not to be a nit-pick but, Steve Beckow doesn't actually channel exactly. He is known to sit in with channels and ask questions to Arch-Angel Michael:angel: via the channeler/medium thoughby to said ascended master.

Well, although Steve Beckow is not an official channeler, he was the progenitor of the "black limousine galactic joyride", which did not materialize, and he agreed to go quietly into the night of obscurity, but it appears he has recovered quite nicely just like Blossom Goodchild did with her failed prognostications.

Apparently nowadays, in the internet age of all things digital, it is okay to make predictions, move the goalposts, use "sources" as being accurate and credible, miss deadlines, make egregious statements, and generally lead people down the primrose path without any pomp and circumstance, and still remain credible.

Interesting phenomenon to say the least, which makes me want to start a website, copy and paste a ton of glossy photo's with link attachments, and make presumptions and ask for donations, and then go out onto the seminar circuit. This working for a living is getting pretty old in the fiat debt system of slavery and I really need a new angle.

I was wondering if you had an agent yet? If not, I would be glad to represent you to numerous publishers of science fiction as well as to some talent scouts who can get you gigs writing screen plays. Let me know! justonenewageconnector

Well, my inquiry has led me to ask the question: What is really going on behind the obvious drama we are being presented with here?

The answer has something to do with the Moloch prophesy, the last pope, the ultimate pentagram, the last grand human sacrifice, and the New World Order agenda. I know, not quite as exciting as the Drake mass arrest phenomenon, but widely discussed in other threads, the ultimate theory has been postulated that the elite are leaving the planet and abandoning the experiment. The question still remains, do they intend to "reset" the population and do the grand ritual to Moloch for one more word from this god before they leave, in the hopes of salvaging the experiment? Why has Moloch abandoned the elite and been silent for at least 100 years, and why has the 800 year prophesy played out the abandonment of these elite?

Every time I think I've gotten closer to the big picture, a whole new layer opens up.

[9eagle9]

I want an agent.





Not to be a nit-pick but, Steve Beckow doesn't actually channel exactly. He is known to sit in with channels and ask questions to Arch-Angel Michael:angel: via the channeler/medium thoughby to said ascended master.

Well, although Steve Beckow is not an official channeler, he was the progenitor of the "black limousine galactic joyride", which did not materialize, and he agreed to go quietly into the night of obscurity, but it appears he has recovered quite nicely just like Blossom Goodchild did with her failed prognostications.

Apparently nowadays, in the internet age of all things digital, it is okay to make predictions, move the goalposts, use "sources" as being accurate and credible, miss deadlines, make egregious statements, and generally lead people down the primrose path without any pomp and circumstance, and still remain credible.

Interesting phenomenon to say the least, which makes me want to start a website, copy and paste a ton of glossy photo's with link attachments, and make presumptions and ask for donations, and then go out onto the seminar circuit. This working for a living is getting pretty old in the fiat debt system of slavery and I really need a new angle.

I was wondering if you had an agent yet? If not, I would be glad to represent you to numerous publishers of science fiction as well as to some talent scouts who can get you gigs writing screen plays. Let me know! justonenewageconnector

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Oh I need a bookie too.

Moloch vs Gaia

I'm putting my money on Gaia.

[gripreaper]

Oh I need a bookie too.

Moloch vs Gaia

I'm putting my money on Gaia.

Uh, Moloch v Gaia would not make a good hypothesis, as Gaia and the energetic grid ley lines of Gaia have evolved into the energetic entity known as Pi. This energy has shifted from the Himalayas to Lake Titicaca and the location of the crystals from Atlantis, and the other aspects of the ancient knowledge hidden in South America, known as the divine feminine. It has been wrongly supposed that the entire preservation of the ancient knowledge was held in the monasteries high up in the Himalayas, and this is true to some extent, but the energy shift for the golden age is anchored in South America.

You see, those who survived the deluge went both directions, some to Tibet and others to South America. It is now the unity of these two energies and ancient teachings which can now unify that which has been severed, labeled, judged, and made into archetypes to foster an agenda of patriarchal beliefs, anchored in Tibet. Now both polarities can be brought back into wholeness.

So, my bet is on PI, with both Moloch and Gaia disintegrating as polarities and melding into unity.

[9eagle9]

If you have your own hypothesis you need your own bookie.

[gripreaper]

If you have your own hypothesis you need your own bookie.

Well, I just want to move away from the "meme" that the final act play is a war between good and evil, with good being triumphant. To me, this is still part of a consciousness of separation and divisiveness, which severs and sequesters energies from the whole. My hypothesis would integrate these energies, by removing them from their current polarity we label evil, and unifying them into a new synthesis.

We need to completely abandon the old archetypes, beliefs and pyramidal power structures in order to begin to see this vision for the future. It is the only energy which can overcome the cabal and break the patriarchal curse.

[9eagle9]

That won't happen as long as people keep clinging to the current systems.... which are just replicas of the old system.

[Chester]

Oh I need a bookie too.

Moloch vs Gaia

I'm putting my money on Gaia.

Uh, Moloch v Gaia would not make a good hypothesis, as Gaia and the energetic grid ley lines of Gaia have evolved into the energetic entity known as Pi. This energy has shifted from the Himalayas to Lake Titicaca and the location of the crystals from Atlantis, and the other aspects of the ancient knowledge hidden in South America, known as the divine feminine. It has been wrongly supposed that the entire preservation of the ancient knowledge was held in the monasteries high up in the Himalayas, and this is true to some extent, but the energy shift for the golden age is anchored in South America.

You see, those who survived the deluge went both directions, some to Tibet and others to South America. It is now the unity of these two energies and ancient teachings which can now unify that which has been severed, labeled, judged, and made into archetypes to foster an agenda of patriarchal beliefs, anchored in Tibet. Now both polarities can be brought back into wholeness.

So, my bet is on PI, with both Moloch and Gaia disintegrating as polarities and melding into unity.

Grip - you are On It Man! In fact, the Dragon guards the gate to South America in the form of Panama which, as we can see is a "baby dragon" with budding wings when rotated 90 degrees...

17586

And to add to Panama's significance is the fact that if you follow the Ley Line (Dragon Lines) that extends southwest from Stonehenge, it bisects Panama and that is why the Elite built the canal where they did as they wanted to interrupt the positive energy generation and isolate South America.

Glad you are "in the know" and wish you would share which channel has been the most helpful for you in your journey through the maze of disinfo.

Also, this is the real reason George H. W. Bush invaded Panama but perhaps I am going too far there as that information is not supposed to be released to the public yet.

justoneman

[Chester]

If you have your own hypothesis you need your own bookie.

Well, I just want to move away from the "meme" that the final act play is a war between good and evil, with good being triumphant. To me, this is still part of a consciousness of separation and divisiveness, which severs and sequesters energies from the whole. My hypothesis would integrate these energies, by removing them from their current polarity we label evil, and unifying them into a new synthesis.

We need to completely abandon the old archetypes, beliefs and pyramidal power structures in order to begin to see this vision for the future. It is the only energy which can overcome the cabal and break the patriarchal curse.

Getting back to seriousness - that's a great post and one which I agree with 100%. I am as certain as one can be what you just posted is the one and only way out of this global mess. Thanks Gripreaper... justone