Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[Hervé]

I think this is more appropriate here than in the thread I originally posted it in:



I can't help but keep coming back to the "Orion Model (http://kiwi6.com/file/f8s5019nne)" (at 00:25:30) and doing the dirty job for "them"...

That is, getting rid of the intermediate layers who have some inklings of some of the scenari:


[...]

I told him that their current plans were not good because the science was so faulty that even if you used multiple germs that those people had already received the vaccines on, that the number of people left alive were likely to overwhelm all defenses and overrun and kill the perpetrators.

“That means us, doesn’t it?” he asked.

Rice was shifting uncomfortably in her chair--apparently she knew that her family was not on that list.

I said, “Yes. And I don’t think that you can improve the research quality at the Labs without inspiring a culture of honesty in them first.”

[...]



Anything anyone learnt from Egypt or Lybia? Syria now?

[YvonneG]

HE did say the Pope would resign, which confirms what Ben said. I also have a friend whose bro-in-law went to Italy and the rumor about his resignation was everywhere.


The news that strikes me as incredibly significant is what Drake said about the Pope. Can anyone remember whether he said the Pope "will resign," "is resigning" or "has resigned"? (I don't follow mainstream press so if he already did I did not hear about it.) It seems to me that the Pope being arrested on criminal charges would turn much of the world upside down! I don't remember the percentage, but I seem to remember that Catholics represent a very large percentage of the world's population. Or am I remembering that wrong? I wonder how they will respond to such news?

[YvonneG]

Drakes's latest post 17 hours ago

I ain't gone anywhere, but am very busy...
>I say again, be as ready as you can, BUT do NOT engage. Posting scouts is not a bad idea. Then add quick com to civilians and you got it.
Intel is coming in like crazy from DC...lots of BS going on there.
Then the other shoe is supposed to fall by early next week...as it happens it will be on our website.
So, there is what it is, up to date.

And this an hours ago! This one is big...looks like we will soon know for sure and save our energy from our speculations and opinions :-)
May everyone be well and peaceful

To ALL,
I have requested/asked to contact everyone I know, now it is your turn.
Because of the many places that can be hit by the bad guys, I have been asked IF you all would like to help out?
IF so, there are several things that are needed.
1- Deploying scouts as best you can. These need to have radio com to someone who is listening. Yes, cell phones are ok, but if a cell tower goes, the phone is worthless...a radio is suggested.
Infrastructure is The target.
-With enough eyes, any funny business can be seen, reported, and the militia can be back up. Unless, it is obvious that those acting funny are a demo team. Then a quick deployment is critical. At the same time as you deploy, be sure the local Sheriff/law enforcement is notified AND that a group of you are enroute and will meet up with them or effect action.
2- You may be asked to secure certain places, power substations, etc.
You will be contacted, most likely by a field officer in this event. A local patrol or other standing military...
3- See if one of you can obtain a military band radio. This will allow you to know what is going on and respond accordingly...

I am hoping that this is a peaceful event, BUT I would expect everyone to be ready in case it is not.
I am posting this to all groups I have contact with.
Thank you.


here is the link

http://wramsite.com/forum/topics/insider-claims-imminent-mass-arrests-of-globalists-bankers-and?xg_source=activity&id=3567481%3ATopic%3A1276970&page=10#comments:wizard:


:grouphug:

[frozen alchemy]

This may be pertinent information or may be an inappropriate 'outing'; (other info at the same website for a quick subject name search). Mods, please delete if not appropriate.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/23/110523fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=all

My guess would be this is not the same person; the commentary and intellectual level seem to differ enough.

[Jeffrey]

This may be pertinent information or may be an inappropriate 'outing'; (other info at the same website for a quick subject name search). Mods, please delete if not appropriate.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/23/110523fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=all

My guess would be this is not the same person; the commentary and intellectual level seem to differ enough.

That's not him.

[Mozart]

My guess would be this is not the same person; the commentary and intellectual level seem to differ enough.




Your guess is correct -- this "Thomas Drake" is absolutely not the same Drake that David Wilcock, myself and many others have been working with to make the mass arrests happen. I have no doubt that the Drake that we've been working with is the real deal, as I've dealt with him on a personal basis and Wilcock also knows Drake to be the real deal.


~Mozart

[YvonneG]

you can hear his voice here on youtube--this is not the Drake...
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/3/26/part_2_former_nsa_employee_thomas


This may be pertinent information or may be an inappropriate 'outing'; (other info at the same website for a quick subject name search). Mods, please delete if not appropriate.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/23/110523fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=all

My guess would be this is not the same person; the commentary and intellectual level seem to differ enough.

[Jeffrey]

A Pope does not resign! A Pope remains Pope until death, even if they have to prop him up comatose! Occasionally popes have been 'helped along' in death. I doubt that the Pope would be arrested. Remember that the Vatican is a sovereign state so you can't just walk in and arrest him. And who is going to arrest him and for what?

Drake seems to get so many facts wrong and those who believe him without question just let it all go whistling past their heads.

I love it that you all want the world to change, but you are all going to be very disappointed, or will simply believe all and every excuse given by Drake and DW (like definitely April, then 4 to 6 weeks, then the date changes again). Oh, and I checked the original interview and Drake said papers were delivered to the International Court of Justice in The Hague, the Civil Division. There is no such thing as a civil division, and I have explained at length why this whole story of papers being submitted is a hoax.

Oh well, when the whole Drake story fades away there will be another to take its place.

The Pope is the head of the Catholic church.

The Catholic church was considered to be an arm of Satan (Demiurge in this context) by the Gnostics as the roots of the Catholic doctrine were introduced to man by the archons.

I have left out a lot but, considering the times we are heading into, this arrest makes sense in an occult type context if you will.

[aranuk]

That now ends that rumour.

Stan

[YvonneG]

I know most folks will think I have not doubted. But I have had my doubts, which have been proven to be wrong. I now found out that the person who is now a new client and works with freedom reigns, he and his wife were actual signers in their state and they also are working with Drake.

I do have one question, which will probably be surprising to those who "know" me, how is Drake staying safe during all of this? Mozart, what are your thoughts. I also wonder about Deatra, who is also the real deal.

Drake will be on the county project call tongiht. I think no matter what people believe or think, everyone can agree that we have to work on relocalizing. The county project stuff is run by Anita who is not involved with working with Drake on the Plan.






My guess would be this is not the same person; the commentary and intellectual level seem to differ enough.




Your guess is correct -- this "Thomas Drake" is absolutely not the same Drake that David Wilcock, myself and many others have been working with to make the mass arrests happen. I have no doubt that the Drake that we've been working with is the real deal, as I've dealt with him on a personal basis and Wilcock also knows Drake to be the real deal.


~Mozart

[Jeffrey]

I know most folks will think I have not doubted. But I have had my doubts, which have been proven to be wrong. I now found out that the person who is now a new client and works with freedom reigns, he and his wife were actual signers in their state and they also are working with Drake.

I do have one question, which will probably be surprising to those who "know" me, how is Drake staying safe during all of this? Mozart, what are your thoughts. I also wonder about Deatra, who is also the real deal.

Drake will be on the county project call tongiht. I think no matter what people believe or think, everyone can agree that we have to work on relocalizing. The county project stuff is run by Anita who is not involved with working with Drake on the Plan.






My guess would be this is not the same person; the commentary and intellectual level seem to differ enough.




Your guess is correct -- this "Thomas Drake" is absolutely not the same Drake that David Wilcock, myself and many others have been working with to make the mass arrests happen. I have no doubt that the Drake that we've been working with is the real deal, as I've dealt with him on a personal basis and Wilcock also knows Drake to be the real deal.


~Mozart




This is a flag for me too. How exactly is he stayin safe during all of this?

He claims to have certain alphabet agencies after him, but using google and some public records searches gives him up IN HIS ENTIRETY. So any agency or group with connections outside of WiFi would have him in a heartbeat.

I have been contemplating on starting a thread going into his internet presence (in depth), as I feel the more eyes that look at it the better we can fully understand his role in this whole thing. The only thing stopping me is his concerns for his life. I would not so easily disregard those concerns save the relative ease of which one can find out this stuff with the right keystrokes and search engines...

It ain't addin' up for me in those respects.

[YvonneG]

If he has high-level security clearance I imagine he is being protected, which makes sense.. Obama walks around in the open with no problem. So it is not far-fetched. But I know people have been killed working on this. I know from people involved, whom I now know. I also know someone who was approached early on to be one of the signers but refused, so I know several people with first hand knowledge of the whole paperwork thing being sent to the ICS. This is NOT hearsay, this did happen.

[modwiz]

This may be pertinent information or may be an inappropriate 'outing'; (other info at the same website for a quick subject name search). Mods, please delete if not appropriate.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/23/110523fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=all

My guess would be this is not the same person; the commentary and intellectual level seem to differ enough.

The New Yorker? Might as well be the Tel Aviver. That is to say, anything emanating from such sources will be disinfo and very sympathetic to Rothschild machinations.

[modwiz]

I know most folks will think I have not doubted. But I have had my doubts, which have been proven to be wrong. I now found out that the person who is now a new client and works with freedom reigns, he and his wife were actual signers in their state and they also are working with Drake.

I do have one question, which will probably be surprising to those who "know" me, how is Drake staying safe during all of this? Mozart, what are your thoughts. I also wonder about Deatra, who is also the real deal.

Drake will be on the county project call tongiht. I think no matter what people believe or think, everyone can agree that we have to work on relocalizing. The county project stuff is run by Anita who is not involved with working with Drake on the Plan.






My guess would be this is not the same person; the commentary and intellectual level seem to differ enough.




Your guess is correct -- this "Thomas Drake" is absolutely not the same Drake that David Wilcock, myself and many others have been working with to make the mass arrests happen. I have no doubt that the Drake that we've been working with is the real deal, as I've dealt with him on a personal basis and Wilcock also knows Drake to be the real deal.


~Mozart




This is a flag for me too. How exactly is he stayin safe during all of this?

He claims to have certain alphabet agencies after him, but using google and some public records searches gives him up IN HIS ENTIRETY. So any agency or group with connections outside of WiFi would have him in a heartbeat.

I have been contemplating on starting a thread going into his internet presence (in depth), as I feel the more eyes that look at it the better we can fully understand his role in this whole thing. The only thing stopping me is his concerns for his life. I would not so easily disregard those concerns save the relative ease of which one can find out this stuff with the right keystrokes and search engines...

It ain't addin' up for me in those respects.

I am guessing there is a 'Mexican standoff' operating here for his safety. He is a spokesman, not the leader. Any good movement will not have its' leader in clear view and will have more than one operational head. If I can think like this, they have to be able to also. Any good chess player does not make the next move obvious and the real move is often a few moves behind what is moving at present.

The more eyes and opinions on this matter will only lead to more confusion. The saying two heads are better than one does not include myriad uninformed opinions. There is still a lot of fear out there and fear says some really 'off' stuff that just creates noise and kerfuffle.

A few keystrokes and search engines can also reveal disinfo put there for us to find as we conduct our 'research'.

[Jeffrey]

I know most folks will think I have not doubted. But I have had my doubts, which have been proven to be wrong. I now found out that the person who is now a new client and works with freedom reigns, he and his wife were actual signers in their state and they also are working with Drake.

I do have one question, which will probably be surprising to those who "know" me, how is Drake staying safe during all of this? Mozart, what are your thoughts. I also wonder about Deatra, who is also the real deal.

Drake will be on the county project call tongiht. I think no matter what people believe or think, everyone can agree that we have to work on relocalizing. The county project stuff is run by Anita who is not involved with working with Drake on the Plan.






My guess would be this is not the same person; the commentary and intellectual level seem to differ enough.




Your guess is correct -- this "Thomas Drake" is absolutely not the same Drake that David Wilcock, myself and many others have been working with to make the mass arrests happen. I have no doubt that the Drake that we've been working with is the real deal, as I've dealt with him on a personal basis and Wilcock also knows Drake to be the real deal.


~Mozart




This is a flag for me too. How exactly is he stayin safe during all of this?

He claims to have certain alphabet agencies after him, but using google and some public records searches gives him up IN HIS ENTIRETY. So any agency or group with connections outside of WiFi would have him in a heartbeat.

I have been contemplating on starting a thread going into his internet presence (in depth), as I feel the more eyes that look at it the better we can fully understand his role in this whole thing. The only thing stopping me is his concerns for his life. I would not so easily disregard those concerns save the relative ease of which one can find out this stuff with the right keystrokes and search engines...

It ain't addin' up for me in those respects.

I am guessing thee is a Mexican standoff operating here for his safety. He is a spokesman, not the leader. Any good movement will not have its' leader in clear view and will have more than one operational head. If I can think like this, they have to be able to also. Any good chess player does not make the next move obvious and the real move is often a few moves behind what is moving at present.

The more eyes and opinions on this matter will only lead to more confusion. The saying two heads are better than one does not include myriad uninformed opinions. There is still a lot of fear out there and fear says some really 'off' stuff that just creates noise and kerfuffle.

A few keystrokes and search engines can also reveal disinfo put there for us to find as we conduct our 'research'.

The connections I have made are solid with solid evidence linking him directly to what he's said in other areas, without a doubt. I just don't know what it means. My own SPECULATION tells me he is linked to the illuminatist-type subscription of sorts according to his history in research regarding pythagoras, ancient math, and egypt. I am coupling the latter reason with the information I have found where he refers to himself under certain titles and with his knowledge of ascension science and shamanism. Again, I am of the OPINION that this is a good thing, not to link him with the negative cannotations associated with the Iluminati. I would more consider him an illuminist, rather than affiliate him with the Cult or their agenda for that matter. I agree with you about uninformed opinions which is why I have been very busy as of late informing myself--to lessen my own confusion. That being said, there are definitely members of this forum who could connect some dots with the snap of a finger because some of these areas deal with what they know about like the back of their hand.

[ThePythonicCow]

This may be pertinent information or may be an inappropriate 'outing'; (other info at the same website for a quick subject name search). Mods, please delete if not appropriate.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/23/110523fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=all

My guess would be this is not the same person; the commentary and intellectual level seem to differ enough.

Not him, as others have noted above. But that is a very good article on the NSA and its capabilities. Well worth reading (unless you have high blood pressure and respect the freedoms honored by the US Constitution, then the article could be harmful to ones health.)

[modwiz]

This is a flag for me too. How exactly is he stayin safe during all of this?

He claims to have certain alphabet agencies after him, but using google and some public records searches gives him up IN HIS ENTIRETY. So any agency or group with connections outside of WiFi would have him in a heartbeat.

I have been contemplating on starting a thread going into his internet presence (in depth), as I feel the more eyes that look at it the better we can fully understand his role in this whole thing. The only thing stopping me is his concerns for his life. I would not so easily disregard those concerns save the relative ease of which one can find out this stuff with the right keystrokes and search engines...

It ain't addin' up for me in those respects.

I am guessing thee is a Mexican standoff operating here for his safety. He is a spokesman, not the leader. Any good movement will not have its' leader in clear view and will have more than one operational head. If I can think like this, they have to be able to also. Any good chess player does not make the next move obvious and the real move is often a few moves behind what is moving at present.

The more eyes and opinions on this matter will only lead to more confusion. The saying two heads are better than one does not include myriad uninformed opinions. There is still a lot of fear out there and fear says some really 'off' stuff that just creates noise and kerfuffle.

A few keystrokes and search engines can also reveal disinfo put there for us to find as we conduct our 'research'.

The connections I have made are solid with solid evidence linking him directly to what he's said in other areas, without a doubt. I just don't know what it means. My own SPECULATION tells me he is linked to the illuminatist-type subscription of sorts according to his history in research regarding pythagoras, ancient math, and egypt. I am coupling the latter reason with the information I have found where he refers to himself under certain titles and with his knowledge of ascension science and shamanism. Again, I am of the OPINION that this is a good thing, not to link him with the negative cannotations associated with the Iluminati. I would more consider him an illuminist, rather than affiliate him with the Cult or their agenda for that matter. I agree with you about uninformed opinions which is why I have been very busy as of late informing myself--to lessen my own confusion. That being said, there are definitely members of this forum who could connect some dots with the snap of a finger because some of these areas deal with what they know about like the back of their hand.

The Illuminati has come to be a bad word. The original holders of knowledge were teachers who were spread over the ancient world. One term for them was Gnostics. They seem to have had there origin in the area that is now NE Iran (Persia)/Armenia. The library of Alexandria was one of the repositories of this knowledge. All of the great teachers of Antiquity were a part of this movement and educated by it. The knowledge, like any profound knowledge had the potential for abuse. A branch of these teachers decided to become advisers to power, or the power itself, and make use of the powerful knowledge to enslave mankind. Needless to say, the scared sciences and magic were part and parcel of this knowledge.

The various wars and persecutions have continued down through the ages by power to eliminate any who would expose them and continue to educate common people with the right mental gifts for this knowledge. Although this knowledge was always the province of the few, this was because of the ability of people and not as an exclusive right. The graduates of these societies went out into humanity and enriched it.The wonders and science of the ancient world are testimony to this knowledge and its being shared for the common good. There were also levels to pass through to help prevent the 'wrong' types from having this knowledge. It is clear the Archons found weak links and were able to commandeer some of the Illuminati/Gnostic teachers. I am of the firm belief that alcohol plays a part in this. I have seen and experienced the effect of the abuse of this substance. Fermentation, and the production of alcohol, was a 'gift' from the gods.

Pardon this verbose addition here, but I wanted to posit the ideas of the Ancient knowledge of the Illuminati having a bifurcation in antiquity. Both the good guys and bad guys will have the same knowledge. The will just apply it differently.

The LOTR is a very good story for demonstrating this very thing.

[frozen alchemy]

Thanks, Paul. This paragraph made my eyes bug out of my head:


Even in an age in which computerized feats are commonplace, the N.S.A.’s capabilities are breathtaking. The agency reportedly has the capacity to intercept and download, every six hours, electronic communications equivalent to the contents of the Library of Congress. Three times the size of the C.I.A., and with a third of the U.S.’s entire intelligence budget, the N.S.A. has a five-thousand-acre campus at Fort Meade protected by iris scanners and facial-recognition devices. The electric bill there is said to surpass seventy million dollars a year.



So if the grid goes out, something tells me they won't have generators available that will take up the slack... Something also tells me they aren't simply worried about another 9-11 with 3000 casualties to be spending this much money on surveillance of the entire planet. WTF is going ON?

:wave: to the nice NSA...

[ThePythonicCow]

Thanks, Paul. This paragraph made my eyes bug out of my head:

The electric bill there is said to surpass seventy million dollars a year.

So if the grid goes out, something tells me they won't have generators available that will take up the slack... Something also tells me they aren't simply worried about another 9-11 with 3000 casualties to be spending this much money on surveillance of the entire planet. WTF is going ON?
I suspect (but have no real knowledge) that the last large computer system I was helping develop, in a minor way, before I phased out and retired from developing "big honkin computers" (as I liked to call them) was destined for the NSA Fort Meade campus. Terabytes of main memory and thousands of the worlds fastest processors, all in a single system (not a network, one big computer.)

What we're seeing is likely the flip side of the amazing impact that the Internet and cell phones have had on world wide communication.

The bastards can't stop this new technology. They don't really even want to stop it. Actually they are encouraging it, and intend to use it to monitor and control us more closely. By bringing out much of our daily conversation into the electronic world, they can keep much closer tabs on us. Much of this surveillance is, I suspect, not focused on named individuals, but rather on group responses to and interactions with various events, stories, lies, memes, propaganda, and what not. But if any one of us sticks his head too far above the parapet, I'm confident they can track named individuals as well.

Such surveillance efforts are, I presume, fear driven. These bastards aren't afraid of another 9/11 -- they or their masters caused 9/11, which was used to serve a variety of purposes, such as:

escalating the war on Middle East, North African, and Southern Asian countries that had too much oil and too little respect for Western financial institutions,
fueling the profitable engines of war,
stealing some gold,
burning some embarrassing financial and legal evidence, and
increasing domestic surveillance.

Rather they fear loss of control, and they apparently anticipate some increasingly difficult times (whether due to a cosmological energy shift, to a shift in the world wide monetary and financial system, to some incoming "new world order", or to the anticipated return of some ET's, ... I don't know.)

[aranuk]

Paul is terrabyte a trillion bytes?

Stan

[frozen alchemy]

they or their masters caused 9/11

i knew that...

The internet is a form of global electronic telepathy. I can have a thought here in (what used to be) the good 'ol US of A and post it on line and instantaneously any number of people worldwide can be reading my thoughts. The question is how much is hive mind, a la the Borg and how much is our own sovereign thoughts? And by their own admission, 9-11 proved they can surveil all they want, but actually reading and reacting to the communications takes longer than optimal. No good intercepting a line like, 'tomorrow is Zero Hour' if they don't see it until the day after Zero.

[ThePythonicCow]

So if the grid goes out, something tells me they won't have generators available that will take up the slack...
That $70 Million/year electric bill worked out to about 80 Megawatts, at residential electricty rates of ten cents per kwh. One ordinary commercial gas or coal fired power plant can handle that easily.

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Paul is terrabyte a trillion bytes?

Stan
Yes - a thousand billion, aka a thousand times a gigabyte.

[modwiz]

Drakes's latest post 17 hours ago

I ain't gone anywhere, but am very busy...
>I say again, be as ready as you can, BUT do NOT engage. Posting scouts is not a bad idea. Then add quick com to civilians and you got it.
Intel is coming in like crazy from DC...lots of BS going on there.
Then the other shoe is supposed to fall by early next week...as it happens it will be on our website.
So, there is what it is, up to date.

And this an hours ago! This one is big...looks like we will soon know for sure and save our energy from our speculations and opinions :-)
May everyone be well and peaceful

To ALL,
I have requested/asked to contact everyone I know, now it is your turn.
Because of the many places that can be hit by the bad guys, I have been asked IF you all would like to help out?
IF so, there are several things that are needed.
1- Deploying scouts as best you can. These need to have radio com to someone who is listening. Yes, cell phones are ok, but if a cell tower goes, the phone is worthless...a radio is suggested.
Infrastructure is The target.
-With enough eyes, any funny business can be seen, reported, and the militia can be back up. Unless, it is obvious that those acting funny are a demo team. Then a quick deployment is critical. At the same time as you deploy, be sure the local Sheriff/law enforcement is notified AND that a group of you are enroute and will meet up with them or effect action.
2- You may be asked to secure certain places, power substations, etc.
You will be contacted, most likely by a field officer in this event. A local patrol or other standing military...
3- See if one of you can obtain a military band radio. This will allow you to know what is going on and respond accordingly...

I am hoping that this is a peaceful event, BUT I would expect everyone to be ready in case it is not.
I am posting this to all groups I have contact with.
Thank you.


here is the link

http://wramsite.com/forum/topics/insider-claims-imminent-mass-arrests-of-globalists-bankers-and?xg_source=activity&id=3567481%3ATopic%3A1276970&page=10#comments:wizard:


:grouphug:

I want to the site and saw more of the problem, as regards the members. No real leadership or direction. I saw some evidence of organization with an openness to react to real time events with some feelers out to appropriate 'force' centers. I am of the opinion that it takes a life threatening crisis for people to pull together and function as a team. I believe that opportunity is about to break.

The upside to no obvious organization with leaders means that there can be no infiltration. Of course the bureau of instigation is always ready to offer their 'help'.

[Mozart]

Avalonians,


I've been in direct email contact with several people in the Freedom Reigns group, including Drake himself and in response to my query to one of those people,(not Drake) this Freedom Reigns member shared some comments that I'll highlight here:


1) That any quote of any kind from any website may not be actual quotes from Drake himself, as there are many people who have posted onto many forums under the name of "Drake" in a clear attempt by the dark bastards to put out multiple forms of conflicting information in order to create confusion.


So that means that if anything comes from any site other than Freedom Reigns site, such information cannot be assured to be Drake, or not.


2) Each Man/Woman (sovereign people, ya know ... otherwise I'd have to use "person") in the Freedom Reigns site is inundated with numerous emails from people all over the place asking for confirmation of the multitude of quotes that Drake did not put out there, so they are busy trying to deal with those emails on top of getting ready for the mass arrests.


3) This respondent said that most of their incoming emails are filled with "fear, anger and desperation, mixed in with some hope", which reflects what's going on with people out there.



Today, April 21st, at midnight, EST, concludes the 10-day response period in which the Federal Reserve has to respond to the accusations listed in the lien. So far the Fed has totally failed to respond and there is no way in hell that they can respond, anyway.


So that means, from the 22nd and on, it is likely that the mass arrests would commence -- provided that all critical, tactical positions have been taken/accomplished that are necessary to support the mass arrests and the aftermath of it.


Note that the Federal Reserve was accused of committing criminal acts, not "charged", which is an action that falls under color-of-law.


Charge = an accusation made in the color-of-law system.

Accuse = an accusation made in the Substantive system of Law.


I don't know when they would commence -- if at all -- but if they do, I'd put my money on it happening sooner (in April), rather than later (in May). Just my opinion here.


~Mozart

[Mozart]

Paul is terrabyte a trillion bytes?

Stan




Wellll, if one were to read that sentence as constructed, as opposed to intended, it may easily be construed that Paul is a terrabyte of a trillion bytes of, um, something!


And Stan -- nothing personal here! Just having fun with what was written.


:tape: :peep:

[Avocadess]

Some of our local grocery stores have backup generators for when the electricity goes out; I have no doubt the lettered agencies would have the same kind of backup system.

Back to Drake: It is increasingly apparent to me that this "war" that is on between those who are freeing us and the powers that were is very much a spiritual battle. It's easy enough to talk about the "mass arrests" one by one or whatnot and make it all sound nice and physical, but I suspect for many people this is a flat-out war for their Souls. (Anyone this happens to: PRAY...! For me praying to Jesus Christ works, but I also agree with Drake that unless one is summoning the dark forces, the "good guys" in "heaven" are all on the same team!)

I just found the link to the full April 19, 2012 radio show with Drake in the first approx. 5-10 minutes and then again after about 1 hour, 32 min on FreedomReigns.US and listened again to the end part.

At the end part with Drake talks about the "angels" and things they have done to stop nuclear events, etc. I love how he talks about people of different religions praying alongside one another and that no matter the name, "God" is the same.

Some woman said, "The Pope is resigning in two days." Drake responded that he was unaware of the timetable on it but that the Pope is going to be resigning because he is going to be adjudicated for crimes not only within the Church but other crimes much more serious even beyond the ones that everybody knows about which happened with his permission. This is HUGE.

[karelia]

Wellll, if one were to read that sentence as constructed, as opposed to intended, it may easily be construed that Paul is a terrabyte of a trillion bytes of, um, something!




That pesky direct address comma, right? I keep telling people this comma can be a matter of life and death, but nobody listens. *sighs deeply*

"Come in, let's eat, Grandpa."

vs.

"Come in, let's eat Grandpa."

*ducks and runs*

[aranuk]

I didn't mean Paul was a terrible biter.:p

Stan

[aranuk]

Wellll, if one were to read that sentence as constructed, as opposed to intended, it may easily be construed that Paul is a terrabyte of a trillion bytes of, um, something!




That pesky direct address comma, right? I keep telling people this comma can be a matter of life and death, but nobody listens. *sighs deeply*

"Come in, let's eat, Grandpa."

vs.

"Come in, let's eat Grandpa."

*ducks and runs*

Reminds me of a jolke...wee boy keeps asking his granddad to make a noise like a frog. After being asked this every Sunday for a month or two, he asked the grandson why do you keep asking me this? The wee boy said I heard mummy saying to Dad that when grandpa croaks we will buy a big house.


Stan

[gripreaper]

Today, April 21st, at midnight, EST, concludes the 10-day response period in which the Federal Reserve has to respond to the accusations listed in the lien. So that means, from the 22nd and on, it is likely that the mass arrests would commence -- provided that all critical, tactical positions have been taken/accomplished that are necessary to support the mass arrests and the aftermath of it.

Note that the Federal Reserve was accused of committing criminal acts, not "charged", which is an action that falls under color-of-law.

Charge = an accusation made in the color-of-law system.

Accuse = an accusation made in the Substantive system of Law.

Mozart, please keep in mind that the alleged commercial lien, which is a private process and must be administered by a sovereign immune entity, was allegedly signed by Keenan and Scott, and is not a document which Drake submitted. Remember, Keenan's lawsuit was filed in a "de facto" venue while the alleged lien (which is not the actual lien as it does not have the witnesses or a Common Law notary attached) is not part of that court case. No where is there any indication that Keenan and Scott have immunity and are therefore recognized by the alleged "De Jure" global Common Law adjudicators known as the Hague. I'm not sure if the Hague is the proper venue or has global jurisdictional authority to act as such a sovereign court outside of the "de facto" system. So far no one has addressed this issue. As far as Keenan and Scott mixing public venue lawsuits with private sovereign commercial liens, I think that is a big red flag.

So far, Drake has not shown any sovereign immunity documents presented to the Hague by any of the states, who are allegedly standing outside commerce, and have extricated themselves and no longer take ANY of the benefits or privileges of being an agent of the corporatocracy created by the Reconstruction Act of 1871.

So, what Drake is proposing and has claimed, is so far Hearsay. Please, let's be clear about this. Let's also be cautious about mixing private and public processes, and be vigilant in monitoring the states who MUST stand on one side or the other, and CANNOT be sovereign and still play in the corporate fictional arena and still do business with the corrupt corporate federal system.

[Franny]

BTW, Re: the Pope: I read about a month ago, donʻt recall where, the Pope is quoted saying that he could resign on grounds he is no longer competent due to such things as physical or mental competence (or spiritual?) issues. He seemed to be referring to health issues as I recall. Maybe he wants to spend more time with his family?

So yes, it appears he could resign.

[Avocadess]

Of course it would not be the Pope's resignation that would be so stunning as his being adjudicated.

[Franny]

They may not want to let him out; might have to pry him out of Vatican City.

I know where we can get a large pry bar tho...

[Seikou-Kishi]

I suppose the pseudonym "Drake" and the "Dragon" family is just a passing coincidence?

[StarDust]

I suppose the pseudonym "Drake" and the "Dragon" family is just a passing coincidence?

Drake is clearly a "good ol' boy" from the south from listening to his numerous interviews. I doubt he has any affiliation with an asian secret society.

[xbusymom]

I suppose the pseudonym "Drake" and the "Dragon" family is just a passing coincidence?

Mr. 'Drake' is not responsible for the name that his parents gave him...

I once tutored a girl named 'Candi Kane'...
and my youngest son turned out to be another 'James Dean'

a name is a name to let others know WHO you are talking about...

give it a rest...

and onto other matters... was that 10 calendar days or 10 business days (since 4/21/2012 is on a saturday) ??

[Jeffrey]

I suppose the pseudonym "Drake" and the "Dragon" family is just a passing coincidence?

It's not only that. Drake has said that he is also known as The White Dragon, and this whole Asian family is part of The White Dragon Society. It is also the Chinese year of the Dragon. Auspicious enough in my opinion.

There are no coincidences.

[Seikou-Kishi]

I suppose the pseudonym "Drake" and the "Dragon" family is just a passing coincidence?

It's not only that. Drake is also known as The White Dragon, and this whole Asian family is part of The White Dragon Society. It is also the Chinese year of the Dragon. Auspicious enough in my opinion. There are no coincidences.

Thank you Vivek for a polite and informative answer.

[Endity]

Has there been any updates to what drake spoke of 3 ish days ago. I may not be exact on that date but im sure its been 3-5, about the fed? Awesome to know any updates since they moved to wolfspirit radio I can no longer listen to any of the dietra? or detra show(Don't know how to spell her name). Thanks anyone that can help with that info.

[DreamsInDigital]

It's also the year of the White Dragon if we really want to get technical, but AFAIK Drake has no direct connection to the White Dragon Society.

[Chester]

I suppose the pseudonym "Drake" and the "Dragon" family is just a passing coincidence?

could by plain ole synchronicity and where I come from Dragon is a compliment

[Jeffrey]

It's also the year of the White Dragon if we really want to get technical, but AFAIK Drake has no direct connection to the White Dragon Society.

Thanks for the clarification, I will look that up. If this is the case it only amplifies the syncronicity of Drake working with David (and inadvertently Fulford/TWDS) to disseminate this information.

This is blowing my mind.

[Avocadess]

I think I meant to post this earlier today and then lost the link and got onto something else. Anyone who wants to listen to the WHOLE SHOW from April 19, 2012 with Drake and Deatra (and Community Projects info) here is a link to download it:

http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archive/download.php?id=Freedomizer_with_Deatra_and_Drake

Drake is from about 5 min to about 10 min on the show and then returns for another short bit at or about 1:32.

I wonder if they are making these links difficult to find on purpose?

[Dennis Leahy]

... listen to the WHOLE SHOW from April 19, 2012 with Drake ... here is a link to download it:

http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archive/download.php?id=Freedomizer_with_Deatra_and_Drake



I get, "The folder does not exist, Sorry"

Dennis

[Chester]

I think I meant to post this earlier today and then lost the link and got onto something else. Anyone who wants to listen to the WHOLE SHOW from April 19, 2012 with Drake and Deatra (and Community Projects info) here is a link to download it:

http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archive/download.php?id=Freedomizer_with_Deatra_and_Drake

Drake is from about 5 min to about 10 min on the show and then returns for another short bit at or about 1:32.

I wonder if they are making these links difficult to find on purpose?

I tried and it didn't work, so I went to just the archives and was able to find it...

http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archive/

Deatra_Freedom-Reigns is 5 or so from the top

Take Care (I ate a ton of avocado at On the Border tonight by the way!! Yummy) justoneman

[DreamsInDigital]

Interesting Tid bit I've shared before about Avocados in the past, but anyway.... They come from the Pleiades.

[KiwiElf]

I suppose the pseudonym "Drake" and the "Dragon" family is just a passing coincidence?

could by plain ole synchronicity and where I come from Dragon is a compliment

Bing! (shivers) some interesting synchronicites with the "reptilian posts" (about 2 or 3... incl mine :P) - just made me aware of some more markers/ connections, thank you!

[Franny]

All this talk of dragons. Sometimes itʻs so mundane; a drake is a male duck.

I donʻt think Drake would be too unusual a name for a good olʻ boy in Texas - whether itʻs his real or nick name. Plenty of duck hunting in Texas.

From dictionary.com:

drake1    [dreyk]
noun
a male duck. Compare duck1 ( def. 2 ) .
Origin:
1250–1300; Middle English; cognate with Low German drake, dialectal German drache; compare Old High German antrahho, anutrehho male duck

The lake here is full of drakes and ducks, which is what they call the females. Or hens. Most of them are Mallards, but there are some blue-footed Coots and others.

Cheers and goodnight...

[gigha]

I think you are being a little "Drakeoneon" there latte. Sorry just couldn't resist. :rapture: :flypig:
Peace and Love gigha


All this talk of dragons. Sometimes itʻs so mundane; a drake is a male duck.

I donʻt think Drake would be too unusual a name for a good olʻ boy in Texas - whether itʻs his real or nick name. Plenty of duck hunting in Texas.

From dictionary.com:

drake1    [dreyk]
noun
a male duck. Compare duck1 ( def. 2 ) .
Origin:
1250–1300; Middle English; cognate with Low German drake, dialectal German drache; compare Old High German antrahho, anutrehho male duck

The lake here is full of drakes and ducks, which is what they call the females. Or hens. Most of them are Mallards, but there are some blue-footed Coots and others.

Cheers and goodnight...

[Avocadess]

Here is another show with Drake from April 10th (a Tuesday) that I never heard before...!! A friend of mine found it and just sent me the link:

THIS ONE IS "DIFFERENT" IN THAT THE HOSTESS OF THE SHOW CHALLENGES DRAKE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVt4I59EBWw (1 of 3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kERYXgZ47PU&feature=channel&list=UL (2 of 3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuHgIFS-wg4&feature=channel&list=UL (3 of 3)

Still listening to it. Sounds to me like the military may be messing with Drake a bit. (He didn't say that, but kind of seems that way to me.)

I'll go find that link that quit working and see if I can fix it. That seems to happen a LOT with links to things with Drake. (Well, it's just the second link that has done that but seems like a lot to happen ever!) I did check that link after I posted it -- and at the time I posted it that link worked.

[YvonneG]

Here is Drake's response on the wram forum:

Permalink Reply by Drake 54 seconds ago

I do NOT entertain Communists nor do I support the Communist organizations such as the UN.
I do NOT offer validity for Turner because he works for our enemies.
Therefore, no debate, no contact, and I hope he does not come into range...he will be shot on sight by me.
The organization is a TRAP offered to get as many patriots as possible to identify themselves. Further, everything offered is not quite complete, thus ALL of the participants have given witness of TREASON and SEDITION by their paperwork.
Our Military will have nothing to do with Turner as he intends to offer up our country to the United Nations.
Because Turner never accomplishes what he says he will, most of the people who were involved are leaving...tired of excuses.
Our group accomplished the whole thing, a majority of states, notification process, and are now moving into the second mission of localization...
Too bad there are still cool-aid drinkers like yourself who can't see reality.
>Restructuring our government and cleaning up the mess is going to be a very large job.
I have been asked by one of the principles to request ALL CPA's to help us in this, they will be called when needed.
>There are several directions that can be taken is the new structure. Our basic 'rights' are to be protected, thus freedom of religion is basic.
We The People must decide to allow all forms of belief systems that are not adverse to our way of life and freedom...no control is allowed, as God says, believe or not as you so chose. This IS FREEDOM.
>No one may 'assume' any office nor offer a new government that is NOT open to voting approval of We The People.
There will be a few 'appointed' office holders. These will be 'temporary' and are designed to keep the government from crashing and causing chaos were it to do so.
>The finance system is to be zeroed out, or crashed. This causes those using financial power to lose all power and will flush out many unknowns who are involved.
The 'financial system' will be revalued by world accounts and private accounts.
>All this is stipulated in the basic plan I have been offering.

This is only the second reply to any Turnerite or Turner group.
It is my last one.

[Avocadess]

Okay. I think maybe there was some restructuring at Wolf Spirit Radio. Here is how you can get at that whole radio show from April 19th. Go to this link

http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archive/archive.php

and go down the list to the fifth one -- Deatra_Freedom-Reigns -- and click on that!

[YvonneG]

Not sure if this is the right place for this, and if not someone can start a new thread. For those who have watched THRIVEthey might remember Elizabet Sahtouris. I feel she brings a "wholeness" view as an Evolutionary biologist who is also a very spiritual lady. I go in and out of fear quite often especially when reading so many diverse views of others. I actually don't plan to do that much anymore as I don't see what good it does on the most part for me anyway.

Here is a talk by Elizabet which helped my brain to see another view about LIFE by someone who has spent much of her life studying it.

Maybe it will serve others that have a fear issue come now and then in regards to all of this.
Whatever we feel, believe, think we know, have opinions about, if we are moving in fear we won't be able to think clearly. I don't think anyone can diasgree we need be as clear as possible on as many levels as possible.


http://www.schooleconomicscience.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/consciousness_as_primary_or_emergent_in_theories_of_evolution_sahtouris.mp3

Actually, this probably could go in a new thread. I can't start one yet, as they have not figured out the problem...
so Avocadess would you mind starting a new thread for me?

Dealing with Our Fears About All of It...something like that as a title!

I appreciate it. :lock1:

[aranuk]

Here is another show with Drake from April 10th (a Tuesday) that I never heard before...!! A friend of mine found it and just sent me the link:

THIS ONE IS "DIFFERENT" IN THAT THE HOSTESS OF THE SHOW CHALLENGES DRAKE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVt4I59EBWw (1 of 3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kERYXgZ47PU&feature=channel&list=UL (2 of 3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuHgIFS-wg4&feature=channel&list=UL (3 of 3)

Still listening to it. Sounds to me like the military may be messing with Drake a bit. (He didn't say that, but kind of seems that way to me.)

I'll go find that link that quit working and see if I can fix it. That seems to happen a LOT with links to things with Drake. (Well, it's just the second link that has done that but seems like a lot to happen ever!) I did check that link after I posted it -- and at the time I posted it that link worked.

Hi Avocadess you said " Sounds to me like the military may be messing with Drake a bit. (He didn't say that, but kind of seems that way to me.)" Why do you think that? I listened to the three
parts and I didn't pick that up at all.

Stan

[YvonneG]

Avocadess,
I have listened to all the past calls all the way back to before David's interview with Drake. I never got that the military was messing with him. What do you mean by that? Just curious.

Thanks for all your helpfulness as always,
Yvonne


Here is another show with Drake from April 10th (a Tuesday) that I never heard before...!! A friend of mine found it and just sent me the link:

THIS ONE IS "DIFFERENT" IN THAT THE HOSTESS OF THE SHOW CHALLENGES DRAKE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVt4I59EBWw (1 of 3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kERYXgZ47PU&feature=channel&list=UL (2 of 3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuHgIFS-wg4&feature=channel&list=UL (3 of 3)

Still listening to it. Sounds to me like the military may be messing with Drake a bit. (He didn't say that, but kind of seems that way to me.)

I'll go find that link that quit working and see if I can fix it. That seems to happen a LOT with links to things with Drake. (Well, it's just the second link that has done that but seems like a lot to happen ever!) I did check that link after I posted it -- and at the time I posted it that link worked.

[Avocadess]

YvonneG: Yes, I'll start that thread for you.

Stan: I didn't mean to say that Drake felt the military was messing with him -- it is my take and only my take. The reason is that he was saying that he (Drake) expected in the beginning it would be like a mass arrest, and now it is coming out differently than that. The one at a time and all that. It just gives me the feeling that Drake is being told LESS than I would like. Does that make sense?

I guess I'm just getting a bit edgy about the whole thing. I want very much for it to all be true and wanting to believe things will happen smoothly. Yet all the evil that has ALREADY been done and still reverberates all around me makes it difficult at times to feel secure about anything.

[Avocadess]

Okay: New threaded started: DEALING WITH OUR FEARS about it all

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44129-DEALING-WITH-OUR-FEARS-about-all-of-it&p=473029#post473029

[Avocadess]

I was just transcribing part of this show with Drake on Charlie McGrath's WIDE AWAKE NEWS with guest host Karen Quinn Tostado. But in the middle of transcribing it straight onto this post my whole computer froze and I lost it all, so I'll do it offline and then come post it.

Okay, here is one part I wanted to see what you all think about:

This portion of the radio show begins at about 14:09 of part 1 of 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVt4I59EBWw) on the WIDE AWAKE NEWS April 10th and the person speaking is guest host Karen Quinn Tostado:

"Okay. And now Drake, I know you talked about the military earlier, and I also – I remain skeptical but hopeful. I do think that this should be happening that people should be more aware of what exactly the stakes are. But I did hear [former Kansas State Trooper] Greg Everson today saying that according to all his sources, that have been confirmed by an active Air Force colonel, he knows the Sheriff, supposedly he's got state troopers, three Chiefs of Police and a federal agent and they are all expecting that due to the crash of the economy that they are going to have to use force here in terms of real force here on the people, and that the 2009 census was really to get the stats so they could know who was going to be resisting where." [NOTE: 2010 was the last true Census year].

Could this be a sign that there are two "plans" going on at the same time -- one plan to enslave the people and another to free the people? Certainly. And I wouldn't expect anything different. Also interesting to note that it was a colonel in the AIR FORCE that confirmed these plans, as according to Drake's intel the Air Force has more "bad guys" running it than the other forces. (Blessings to all the GOOD guys hanging in there in the Air Force...and much love!!!)

Another thing Karen pointed out was how the military did not seem to have any problem turning against "we the people" during the Katrina fiasco -- taking away their arms and even locking a bunch of them in that insane situation at a convention center. Honestly, ever since Katrina I decided I would rather be shot in the back than go into any enclosure a man with a gun told me to go in...!

[YvonneG]

This should be giving some validation to Ben's info and Drake in terms of things are a changing...

Japan to Forgive $3.7 Billion of Myanmar's Debt on ABC news:cool:


http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/japan-forgive-37-billion-myanmars-debt-16186377#.T5R1ptlAWq1http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/japan-forgive-37-billion-myanmars-debt-16186377#.T5R1ptlAWq1



.....By strengthening its ties with Myanmar and other Mekong region countries, Japan is also looking to counter China's growing influence in the region. Noda emphasized continued cooperation with the region, saying, "The stability and development of East Asia is not possible without the stability and development of the Mekong region."

[YvonneG]

What I know about today's show. I am not sure if Drake will be on or not at 6pm est. Wolf Spirit RAdio folks told me through chat that Drake spoke for 5 hours today and that the show would be archived in about 90 minutes and have not been able to get any confirmation on today's show.

What I also know is that the freedom reigns webmaster had an emergency and therefore could not put up anything on the show. I have contacted someone at FR and told them I would put up a backup webpage somewhere so that I could put it up for them in case this happens again.

So I will be listening to the3pm PST show coming soon to see if they will be on that show. Nothing is up on blogtalkradio as yet but will check there as well.

I imagine it will be uploaded here when they get done:

http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archive/download.php?id=Deatra_Freedom-Reigns

[YvonneG]

Ok you all todays many hours with Drake is now up in the link I gave you guys above. There is no show with them at 6PM.
I am sure Freedom reigns will get their info up soon as the webmaster comes back. for this is the very lastest and can not
imagine 5 hours, unless much it is a review for the new listeners on Wolf spirit radio.

[Alie]

Ok you all todays many hours with Drake is now up in the link I gave you guys above. There is no show with them at 6PM.
I am sure Freedom reigns will get their info up soon as the webmaster comes back. for this is the very lastest and can not
imagine 5 hours, unless much it is a review for the new listeners on Wolf spirit radio.

YvonneG --- thanks so much for being so helpful!

[A Simple Human]

I imagine it will be uploaded here when they get done:

http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archive/download.php?id=Deatra_Freedom-Reigns

@ YvonneG,

Today's show is now uploaded. It was approximately 5 hours long. I believe the first hour is missing because Dave Corso said their broadcast and/or chat was hacked, and they lost the first hour. There were many questions and answers in this broadcast. Drake was present for all of it, except for several instances where there were technical difficulties. You can listen here:

Wolf Spirit Radio (http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archive/download.php?id=Deatra_Freedom-Reigns)

1. 2012-04-22A-32kbs-WSR-with-Deatra-and-Drake-hours2-3.mp3

2. 2012-04-22B-32kbs-WSR-with-Deatra-and-Drake-hours-4-5.mp3


If possible someone should ask about the Clones/ Robitoids. And, what the movement's plans are to deal with those.

What is he saying about the ETs since I can get on the radio show to listen or into the chat? also would love notes on anything else he is saying otherwise.

@ DreamsInDigital,

Someone asked about super soldiers. So Drake addressed this issue briefly in today's broadcast.

A.S.H.

[aranuk]

it has started Drake is speaking now

Stan

[modwiz]

Here is another show with Drake from April 10th (a Tuesday) that I never heard before...!! A friend of mine found it and just sent me the link:

THIS ONE IS "DIFFERENT" IN THAT THE HOSTESS OF THE SHOW CHALLENGES DRAKE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVt4I59EBWw (1 of 3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kERYXgZ47PU&feature=channel&list=UL (2 of 3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuHgIFS-wg4&feature=channel&list=UL (3 of 3)

Still listening to it. Sounds to me like the military may be messing with Drake a bit. (He didn't say that, but kind of seems that way to me.)

I'll go find that link that quit working and see if I can fix it. That seems to happen a LOT with links to things with Drake. (Well, it's just the second link that has done that but seems like a lot to happen ever!) I did check that link after I posted it -- and at the time I posted it that link worked.

There is a very heavy Christian Dominionist part of the armed services. The Air Force seems to be targeted because of their control of much of the nuclear ordinance. These people want Armageddon to happen so Jebus (that's the false, bloodthirsty version of Jesus) can lift them up into heaven. There does seem to be an aspect of it in some ground forces as well and it is these types who were behind the recent massacres in Afghanistan. With that said, and that some percentage of the military known to be resisting, it is to be expected that certain parts of the military will do what they can to make trouble. Given certain agendas, there is a very real possibility of these Dominionists and Turnerites having a least a loose alignment of purpose.

That is what can be seen through the fog of war from the tower.

[YvonneG]

I am listening now...promises to be very, very interesting...

:flame:

[DreamsInDigital]

@ DreamsInDigital,

Someone asked about super soldiers. So Drake addressed this issue briefly in today's broadcast.

A.S.H.
Well the Super Soldiers are different from the Clones/Robitoids, I am curious what his thoughts were on the Super Soldiers, can you please give me a summery on that? Thanks.

[modwiz]

I want to thank YvonneG and Avocadess for making this a dynamic and informative thread. I really appreciate all the work you have put into this. There is commentary of note also, but this is about these two particulars. The filling in of what could be a deadly vacuum is very much welcomed.

We must remember to take deep breaths. :thumb:

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

I want to thank YvonneG and Avocadess for making this a dynamic and informative thread. I really appreciate all the work you have put into this. There is commentary of note also, but this is about these two particulars. The filling in of what could be a deadly vacuum is very much welcomed.

We must remember to take deep breaths. :thumb:


I second that! You guys are doing a great job!

[KiwiElf]

Has referred to the "good guys" having STAR TREK technology in almost every interview:confused::
Speculation: If the good guys can neutralise weapons, "vanish" warheads, blow-out underground bunkers (last year), and have apparently stopped all HAARP technology ( HAARP can nullify bad weather & quakes too), then the ET/Angel help is a real wildcard unfolding... another key marker to this may be weather/geographical/astronomical events being "lessened" or increased? Interestingly, the recent large Mexican/Indonesian Earthquakes (fortunately) produced very little damage/no tsunami. Could just be co-incidence... maybe not ;)

[aranuk]

Velly intellesting

Stan

[Avocadess]

I can't wait to listen to that link you put up, YvonneG -- 5 hours -- WOW...!!! Unable to listen until I finish some work I am doing on deadline today. I look forward to discussing today's show with you all late tonight or tomorrow!!!

KiwiElf: Thanks for the reminder about the "extra help" the good guys are getting. Without that factor I might find it impossible to feel any real hope...!!!

[Chester]

KiwiElf: Thanks for the reminder about the "extra help" the good guys are getting. Without that factor I might find it impossible to feel any real hope...!!!

Agree completely - at the same time I have seen comments around here that compare this assistance to the "savior" storyline. Not true - that would be our trap and Modwiz points this out a few posts up.

My understanding is that the ET/ED help would not be here if enough of us indigenous earth beings had not shown we truly want this change. Having said that, we Terrans must never cease in that regard or we may lose that outside help's confidence. Its my opinion we are partly responsible for this mess and we must do our part to transcend it. Fortunately our cousins became convinced we are serious and I for one do not want to lose their faith in us.

[A Simple Human]

Well the Super Soldiers are different from the Clones/Robitoids, I am curious what his thoughts were on the Super Soldiers, can you please give me a summery on that? Thanks.

Mugzzi: Can you discuss the super soldier program that's going on right now? It's two fold, another one is that the Dark Cabal has been creating a super wolf-like clone, and have these been considered as far as what they're going to do with the guys that have been programmed and also set up legally with bogus charges to keep them quiet?

Drake: Well first of all, you gotta remember something about clones. Number one, they're not physically stable. Number two, generally their longevity is even more unstable than their physiology.

The third part of this is that no matter how well programmed something is, and this is a quote from a movie about good ole Arnold Schwarzenegger being in the jungles, "If it bleeds, we can kill it."

[The caller is then asked to turn his volume down because of the feedback it's producing]

Drake: OK now, so I've heard about the clones, and yes I know something about them. They're not as viable as everybody would like to think for one. Number two, there ain't as many of them as needed to complete any basic operations. So they're kind of negative or [he corrects himself] they kind of negate themselves.

During WW2 the Nazis had flying discs that were armed. These flying discs had two capabilities. The field that they put out screwed our electronics in our bombers, our fighters, to the extent that they became unflyable, that's first.

Number two, they had guns on them that they could fire as well. Two or three of those took out a couple of flights. So if they were able to continue to manufacture those, they would've won the war, no question. We'd be eating Borscht, or something.

The basis of this is that, do not rely on the things that you hear as much as what you can look at in terms of provable realities. Now a lot of what I do deals directly with what people would consider rumor. We hear this, we hear that.

The difference is that the basis of it is being shown. The, and I'll give you an example, the package of documentation the day it left our shore, they couldn't catch it. And it got away from them and it left our shore, here in the United States. It's the same day that the resignations started in Europe.

They knew exactly what was going on, and couldn't stop it. And they thought, "oops, well time to go." It's gotten worse since then. Etc...

[Drake goes on from there, but that's what he covered about "super soldiers" and "clones", as far as I know. I missed parts of the broadcast]

I hope this helps,

A.S.H.

[DreamsInDigital]

Thanks A. S. H. :hug:

Good to know, he knows about Clones. Just wonder now if he knows WHO or at least the ones dealing with them, the clones are. :)

[aranuk]

Drake was wonderful tonight

Stan

[YvonneG]

I am still listening ...had to stop to eat. But yes...quite good tonight!


Drake was wonderful tonight

Stan

[KiwiElf]

I can't wait to listen to that link you put up, YvonneG -- 5 hours -- WOW...!!! Unable to listen until I finish some work I am doing on deadline today. I look forward to discussing today's show with you all late tonight or tomorrow!!!

KiwiElf: Thanks for the reminder about the "extra help" the good guys are getting. Without that factor I might find it impossible to feel any real hope...!!!

Thanks Avocadess. Also he has mentioned "keeping an eye on the money": stockmarkets, bank movements, resignations - Sabrina's Thread is invaluable here. These are all markers to some extent. I've said it on another thread:

I think we need to start Trusting 100 % in a general favourable outcome, whatever you visualise that to be ;)

[YvonneG]

Deep breaths, hand on heart...the heart can override the brain and fear :high5:


I want to thank YvonneG and Avocadess for making this a dynamic and informative thread. I really appreciate all the work you have put into this. There is commentary of note also, but this is about these two particulars. The filling in of what could be a deadly vacuum is very much welcomed.

We must remember to take deep breaths. :thumb:

¤=[Post Update]=¤

AMEN TO THAT! :high5:



I can't wait to listen to that link you put up, YvonneG -- 5 hours -- WOW...!!! Unable to listen until I finish some work I am doing on deadline today. I look forward to discussing today's show with you all late tonight or tomorrow!!!

KiwiElf: Thanks for the reminder about the "extra help" the good guys are getting. Without that factor I might find it impossible to feel any real hope...!!!

Thanks Avocadess. Also he has mentioned "keeping an eye on the money": stockmarkets, bank movements, resignations - Sabrina's Thread is invaluable here. These are all markers to some extent. I've said it on another thread:

I think we need to start Trusting 100 % in a general favourable outcome, whatever you visualise that to be ;)

[A Simple Human]

Thanks A. S. H. :hug:

Good to know, he knows about Clones. Just wonder now if he knows WHO or at least the ones dealing with them, the clones are. :)

@ DreamsInDigital,

Well, as I initially stated he only briefly went over the topic. Personally, I would have preferred that he covered the topic more thoroughly, but perhaps he's not allowed to at this point.

I posted three questions to the chat forum over the entire span of the five hour broadcast. Now I didn't hear all the questions and answers because I stopped listening several times to take care of some errands. The broadcast connections also cut out several times. In fact, Dave Corso stated on the chat board that they lost the first hour because they were hacked and lost the recording somehow.

I asked:

1. Once the arrests are complete, what is to be done about the "archonic" or "demonic" presence that many individuals believe are secretly controlling humanity?
Unfortunately, I did not hear this question asked, or hear a suitable answer to someone else's question that would cover this topic. (For the portions I heard of course)

2. Will the CEOs of multinational corporations, who abused their employees, also be arrested? Will the pyramid structure of corporations also be restructured?
Thomas asked this question verbatim, and Drake responded.

3. Approximately how many years will it take to manufacture and dispense "free energy" technology globally?
Now, Thomas asked about Tesla's "free energy" inventions, and Drake began to respond. I left to walk my dog. I was gone for 30 minutes, so he may have covered my question in that response. I'm not sure.

Deatra stated that they were working on putting up a Q & A review on the Freedom Reigns site. Dave and Deatra also stated that anyone wishing to ask new questions can submit them via email to freedomreignsusa@gmail.com. The questions are to be well organized and concise.

Dave Corso accidentally dropped a "F" bomb towards the end of the broadcast because he became flustered with some of the individuals' harassment in the chat. I can't blame him since some of the posters were being exceptionally rude. I found it funny! :cool:

A.S.H.

[GoodETxSG]

:jester: Clones freak me out; I was by this big Tent one weekend in College. I figured there was some sort of big sale going on so I went to take a look. Then a tiny car pulled up and 14 Clones got out. They had weird puffy clothes on, their faces were covered in war paint that they must have been allergic to because their noses were red and swollen. They didn’t say a word just sprayed me with seltzer water. I tell you, I ran as fast as I could and never looked back. Darn Clones... :jester:
LOL, seriously though. We know this technology has been around for some time, we seem to have had problems with their cell walls breaking down/being over permeable causing illness and organ breakdown as well as the Telomeres of their Chromosomes “Fraying” and mutating into being of varying shapes and sizes causing them to not physically age but have illnesses of people of advanced age. Emotionally they are more trouble than they are worth and many times are not truly physical copies... These were most likely the Beta copies/clones. I makes me think of the cows (Dolly) that were cloned and the spots were in the wrong places etc...
I don't know much about them other than the off worlders have the cloning thing down pat... We have not quite figured it out but this info or miss-info is 20+ years old. I would like to know if someone has a link to more info on this subject including rumored people that have worked with creating them and also maintaining them throughout the process of birthing, programming them, and dealing with their self awareness issues and ramifications on their psychological health.
I am sure the 5.x models are far beyond those Beta models I read reports about. I am sure the off worlders stepped in and provided gene therapy or some other solution to get past the physical issues. Using their technology on “Wiping Memories and planting false memories” may be used to the extent that these newer models do not even know they are copies… That is what I am curious about. All of the other stuff in this thread is interesting too… but the clone topic really popped out for me for some reason… I am trying to figure out why and exactly how far the technology has come prior to melding this science with robotics and synthetics.
Thanks…

Sorry guys/gals, waaay off topic. I had a few glasses of Red Wine after Dinner. Guess you can tell. Riase your hand if you expected me to break into a chorus of "Bring in the Clowns". :tape:

[GoodETxSG]

I can't wait to listen to that link you put up, YvonneG -- 5 hours -- WOW...!!! Unable to listen until I finish some work I am doing on deadline today. I look forward to discussing today's show with you all late tonight or tomorrow!!!

KiwiElf: Thanks for the reminder about the "extra help" the good guys are getting. Without that factor I might find it impossible to feel any real hope...!!!

Thanks Avocadess. Also he has mentioned "keeping an eye on the money": stockmarkets, bank movements, resignations - Sabrina's Thread is invaluable here. These are all markers to some extent. I've said it on another thread:

I think we need to start Trusting 100 % in a general favourable outcome, whatever you visualise that to be ;)

Yep, we have to do the best we can with the limited information available... We argue over the small things reported by Drake/DW/Fulford which side tracks us and gets us off topic which is maybe the whole point of the way the info is delivered to us... dunno, I went off on the Clone tangent so I cannot complain. :-)
These guys are not Psychic or Prophets, the future is a probable future... so it will unfold the way it unfolds... lets not agonize over the details at this point. it will all change by tomorrow anyway.

[modwiz]

We tend to mention Wilcock,Fulford and Drake in one breath and it makes sense to do so. I feel Gordon Duff is filling in a parallel story that works for me. Here is his Sunday post, but first a snip[pet or two:

Intel, Disclosures and Gossip Such as Not to Spoil Your Tea


HERE IS WHAT WE CAN TELL YOU
Senior reliable sources, by that I mean mainstream “Big Army” flag officers, have been consulted about the use of cold fusion, hydrogen/boron fusion and other “non-lethal” or “aneutronic” devices that can provide all power needed on earth at extremely low cost. Wind and solar are considered “dead duck” technologies as fusion is both very simple physics, containable, produced not only unimaginable power but expels usable electric current without any traditional conversion required by nuclear technology.
The questions are only design and construction with working models out there already.
This technology is decades old, as is similar technology that nullifies gravity. This means that conventional rocket travel, our guided missiles, our airplanes, even our most advanced secret projects have been entirely “cover and deception.”

And this:

US attempts to control Central Asia are going to fail until and unless we are willing to follow the unwritten Obama doctrine, trading Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and India for Israel and Britain.
When the Chinese have settled into Africa, each day planeloads arrive, they will find themselves overextended and dependent on an American military presence that has moved down the west coast of Africa in relative stealth.
The continuing problems will be narco-dependency and our lack of an American currency.
Our most crippling problem is the lack of a government, particularly the ability of the Supreme Court to go “activist” and usurp states’ rights, interfere in elections, write its own legislation, that and our “money in politics” issue, primarily involving Israeli interference in the House of Representatives is likely to bring about use of emergency presidential powers after the election.
Thus far, one Supreme Court Justice is guilty of tax evasion, another tied to organized crime, both “neocon-activists.” Both face arrest.
Despite the entertaining flurry of testimony regarding our army and Secret Service and their “whoring,” we have multiple high level confirmations of an Israeli attempt on President Obama’s life, to have been staged during the visit to Colombia.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/04/22/intel-disclosures-and-gossip-such-as-not-to-spoil-your-tea/

I thought this would also help fill in some time while our diligent posters have a life.
We do live in interesting times.

[DreamsInDigital]

Thanks A. S. H. :hug:

Good to know, he knows about Clones. Just wonder now if he knows WHO or at least the ones dealing with them, the clones are. :)

@ DreamsInDigital,

Well, as I initially stated he only briefly went over the topic. Personally, I would have preferred that he covered the topic more thoroughly, but perhaps he's not allowed to at this point.

I posted three questions to the chat forum over the entire span of the five hour broadcast. Now I didn't hear all the questions and answers because I stopped listening several times to take care of some errands. The broadcast connections also cut out several times. In fact, Dave Corso stated on the chat board that they lost the first hour because they were hacked and lost the recording somehow.

I asked:

1. Once the arrests are complete, what is to be done about the "archonic" or "demonic" presence that many individuals believe are secretly controlling humanity?
Unfortunately, I did not hear this question asked, or hear a suitable answer to someone else's question that would cover this topic. (For the portions I heard of course)

2. Will the CEOs of multinational corporations, who abused their employees, also be arrested? Will the pyramid structure of corporations also be restructured?
Thomas asked this question verbatim, and Drake responded.

3. Approximately how many years will it take to manufacture and dispense "free energy" technology globally?
Now, Thomas asked about Tesla's "free energy" inventions, and Drake began to respond. I left to walk my dog. I was gone for 30 minutes, so he may have covered my question in that response. I'm not sure.

Deatra stated that they were working on putting up a Q & A review on the Freedom Reigns site. Dave and Deatra also stated that anyone wishing to ask new questions can submit them via email to freedomreignsusa@gmail.com. The questions are to be well organized and concise.

Dave Corso accidentally dropped a "F" bomb towards the end of the broadcast because he became flustered with some of the individuals' harassment in the chat. I can't blame him since some of the posters were being exceptionally rude. I found it funny! :cool:

A.S.H.
Dave Corso's pretty cool ,and he's best friends with Duncan O'Finioan, who was/is an Super Soldier, I believe unless I'm wrong Corso was in Project Talent / MKULTRA also. I can certainly offer my perspective on the first question... Look Up, to the stars. That's what is and will be done about the Regressive Reptoids and Grays that are the real controllers. It's in the process. But, I think with time being so Fluid right now, and things changing almost moment by moment, it's foolish for anyone to put a time frame on anything. Thank you for your post/comment. :)

[aranuk]

Drake has just about covered everything tonight!

I'm still listening.

Stan

[Dennis Leahy]

I remember as a kid, reading Jules Verne's 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. I could not put it down. The Drake material is like that. Even it it fizzles (and I don't think it will, but if...) it is still great drama - a page turner. Honestly, I'm not making fun (or maybe I'm just making fun of myself for being caught in the drama.) Go Drake and company!

Dennis

[aranuk]

I'm ofski to beddie byes. I have much to say, but tomorrow.

Stan

[DreamsInDigital]

I'm excited and looking forward to hearing everyone's input on this 5 hour marathon interview.

[gripreaper]

Drake
The difference is that the basis of it is being shown. The, and I'll give you an example, the package of documentation the day it left our shore, they couldn't catch it. And it got away from them and it left our shore, here in the United States. It's the same day that the resignations started in Europe.

They knew exactly what was going on, and couldn't stop it. And they thought, "oops, well time to go." It's gotten worse since then. Etc...

A.S.H.

So, this "magic" paperwork, which no one here has seen by the way, makes the rats scatter and jump ship? This paperwork is so powerful that it was attempted to be "stopped" but it made it through and now the whole paradigm is shifted?

I want to see the paperwork. I want to see how the original organic sovereign states, which have been suspended and under the mandates of the Federal corporatocracy since at least 1871 with the Reconstruction Act, have re-emerged and extricated themselves, and are now operating outside the fiat system of commerce, and how the military is aligning themselves with these sovereign immune nation states, and are ALSO extricating themselves as the global mercenaries for the cabal.

Where is the basis of this difference "being shown?"

[Avocadess]

Some of what Drake said:

He claims that Iceland forgave all mortgages. (I've been going back and forth about believing that story. One Avalon member in Iceland says this is not true.)

Sounds like the first hour of this program was lost forever (explaining why this starts with hour 2)...

"True freedom is going to be a personal responsibility as well as a legality."

Asked what to do if one had for instance $25,000 in the bank what they should do, Drake suggested buying gold or silver as a good idea for some of it, at least a week in terms of expenses. Said that our current currency will be "phased out over time." Drake says he can't really figure out how all this is going to work out. The imaginativeness of citizens will come into play in a very crucial manner. Our money will be "revalued" and then slowly phased out. He doesn't know all the details.

The world court is not altogether under the control of the UN.

The importance of the package sent to The Hague for international publication is that is gives the civilians the way to get the help of the U.S. military.

The good guys have a momentum that can't be stopped...

The key factor is common law. If there is no harm or damage to a person or property, then there is no crime.

Yes, there will be people civilian and military -- to keep things from being in chaos -- in charge as a temporary situation until "We the People" make our choices of what we want and how we want to implement it. It will not be "military rule."

We'll be starting over from scratch. It will take time, effort and elbow grease from just about everyone.

Declaration of Independence is resurrected.

Voting booths will likely be open 24/7 for us to make a lot of decisions.

Laws, etc. that are unconstitutional will be rescinded.

Someone asked about Obama. Birth certificate issue came up.

Drake was asked if we are protected from Panetta who has admitted he works for the Rothschilds (i.e., the central banks). Drake said the military is objecting to that strenuously.

Asked about Yale Skull and Bones etc. being cleaned out, Drake said that is going to be cleaned out as well as government, including some names in education that teach people how to be crooks cabal-style.

When people find out has things have been orientated to fit into the agenda for the NWO there is going to be an extraordinary shift. Most secret organizations will be taken apart and dismantled and they will no longer have money to hire thugs.

Asked how much the Freemasons are involved, Drake said that he has been asked to stay in generalities about the secret societies at this point.

He talked about how there are two Popes, the regular Pope and the Black Pope and said the Jesuits are the military arm of the (Catholic) Church.

There may be a period of "dead zone" where money may be worth zero.

In Drake's opinion people like Clinton and Biden are "hiding out" especially with it being hard to get good new Secret Service after how they have been treated.

end of notes from hours 2-3.

[Chester]

Avocadess - thank you for excellent notes - good question about Iceland - I found several alternative news sites that make that claim but then was able to find this link from Bloomberg -

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-20/icelandic-anger-brings-record-debt-relief-in-best-crisis-recovery-story.html

“You could safely say that Iceland holds the world record in household debt relief,” said Lars Christensen, chief emerging markets economist at Danske Bank A/S in Copenhagen. “Iceland followed the textbook example of what is required in a crisis. Any economist would agree with that.”

Looks like there may be some truth to the claim

[MargueriteBee]

Ever see the movie, The Hand Maiden's Tale? It was the first thing that popped into my head while reading your post. It is about what happened after a civil war and the fundalmentalist christians won.

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=8VdFkF6vtLE



Here is another show with Drake from April 10th (a Tuesday) that I never heard before...!! A friend of mine found it and just sent me the link:

THIS ONE IS "DIFFERENT" IN THAT THE HOSTESS OF THE SHOW CHALLENGES DRAKE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVt4I59EBWw (1 of 3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kERYXgZ47PU&feature=channel&list=UL (2 of 3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuHgIFS-wg4&feature=channel&list=UL (3 of 3)

Still listening to it. Sounds to me like the military may be messing with Drake a bit. (He didn't say that, but kind of seems that way to me.)

I'll go find that link that quit working and see if I can fix it. That seems to happen a LOT with links to things with Drake. (Well, it's just the second link that has done that but seems like a lot to happen ever!) I did check that link after I posted it -- and at the time I posted it that link worked.

There is a very heavy Christian Dominionist part of the armed services. The Air Force seems to be targeted because of their control of much of the nuclear ordinance. These people want Armageddon to happen so Jebus (that's the false, bloodthirsty version of Jesus) can lift them up into heaven. There does seem to be an aspect of it in some ground forces as well and it is these types who were behind the recent massacres in Afghanistan. With that said, and that some percentage of the military known to be resisting, it is to be expected that certain parts of the military will do what they can to make trouble. Given certain agendas, there is a very real possibility of these Dominionists and Turnerites having a least a loose alignment of purpose.

That is what can be seen through the fog of war from the tower.

[Avocadess]

I TOTALLY MISSED the first hour of the program -- which apparently was NOT recorded. Anyone who heard it live and can remember anything from that first hour would be much appreciated if you would share what you can remember!

Notes from hours 4-5 with Drake (Deatra no longer on call):

Re Mother Nature Drake said Mother Nature and God as far as he can tell are pretty much one and the same thing. Some things man thinks he is in charge of is weather and he's been screwing around with things he doesn't understand. He brought up "global warming" and his call dropped...
Reconnected and Drake continued that the problems going on have to do with spiritual entity, "like it or not."

We have a basic choice given by the Creator (or God). Each planet is an entity with its own intelligence and personality.

Long talk about ancient religion, etc...

HAARP has been used for extraordinary weather, earthquakes, tsunamis, lacks in certain areas (such as droughts). Mother Earth is about reached a stress point from such games being played.

New Orleans built in a less than brilliant spot below sea level (and therefore not a smart place to rebuild).

Nuclear reactors have been built on fault zones. Most nuclear reactors are not safe, and a good example is Japan.

"Agenda 21 says reduce the population."

Mother Earth is going to have to make some adjustments. "Hopefully she won't be too mad at us."

Talked about cattle and wildlife...(I spaced out a bit in this part)...

Monsanto is going to be disbanded. (Talked about GMO foods and how they are adverse.)

Difference between free range and open pasture habitats versus other.

Talked about gardening...and also then KNOWING what you are eating.

Host (not Drake) pointed out that Obama Administration said that Pepsi using aborted fetal cells for flavoring research was "normal."

Drake talked about melamine. Said he quit buying Hersheys when he found out they were using stuff from China.

Recommends growing a garden and maybe getting some chickens.

...spaced out for a while again...

Talked about how he adds ginger and whole ground cloves to his coffee...dropped off the show again...

****

Dang. Wish I had not missed the first hour!

[A Simple Human]

So, this "magic" paperwork, which no one here has seen by the way, makes the rats scatter and jump ship? This paperwork is so powerful that it was attempted to be "stopped" but it made it through and now the whole paradigm is shifted?

I want to see the paperwork. I want to see how the original organic sovereign states, which have been suspended and under the mandates of the Federal corporatocracy, have re-emerged and extricated themselves, and are now operating outside the fiat system of commerce, and how the military is aligning themselves with these sovereign immune nation states, and are ALSO extricating themselves as the global mercenaries for the cabal.

Where is the basis of this difference "being shown?"

@ gripreaper,

LMAO, that's an awfully demanding post. I'll simply inform you that you're barking up the wrong tree. If you want those answers, I suggest you try to contact "Drake" via the Freedom Reigns Questions and Comments (http://freedomreigns.us/Questions.html) page.

Besides I specifically transcribed the "super soldier/clone" segment for DreamsInDigital. "Drake" just started trailing off with the segment you quoted. So it wasn't even the point of my post.

I've read your posts, and I fully respect your knowledge of the Sovereignty Movement, as well as, law. You are well versed, and I will admit that I am not. So there's no argument there. If you wish to have a discourse on this topic, I again implore you to contact "Drake" at Freedom Reigns. Clearly you have an issue, and I don't think it's going to be resolved by anyone on PA, although I know that Mozart has tried. I enjoy your exchanges, by the way. I find them informative.

I know that you've posted on several threads regarding this specific topic, and that's certainly your prerogative. I, however, think it's an exorbitant waste of time. What, after all, have you concluded so far with your inquisition here on PA? That "Drake" is a disinfo agent, or that David Wilcock is naïve or a charlatan. OK, great. That doesn't really affect me because I'm at peace with myself. I'm prepared for whatever may come. So if these events that "Drake" speaks of do not come to pass, I'm still prepared. What do you, yourself, plan on doing about "Drake", David Wilcock, Benjamin Fulford, the military, the liens, the paperwork, the Illuminati, or the NWO agenda anyway. Do you see now how pointless your point is to me. I was simply sharing some information with a fellow poster who requested it. All we're doing here is passing time. The paradigm shift is going to occur whether we post or not, and yes it's going to be a lengthy, and possibly dirty, process.

Furthermore, what are laws other than (1) : a binding custom or practice of a community : a rule of conduct or action prescribed or formally recognized as binding or enforced by a controlling authority (2) : the whole body of such customs, practices, or rules (Merriam-Webster (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/law)). So essentially laws are just a set of rules agreed upon by humanity; therefore, what if human beings decide that they no longer want to play by the current set of rules? Are they still bound by the rules of others? Of course there are going to be consequences, but this is where sheer brute force comes into play. Whoever wields the power of the military will create the rules. So whether the documents are valid or not, if "Drake" and the military are really on the side of the people, then they are going to dictate the rules to the Cabal now. Maybe it's time for some new "memes" indeed. If the military is not on the side of the people, then what has changed except for some wasted time on our behalf?

You are certainly welcome to respond, and given your posting history, I surely expect you will. Know this; I do not wish to further engage in this topic. You need to address "Drake" if want answers to your queries. Considering the tone of your post, I feel I have responded with as much respect as I could muster. Do not anticipate another reply regarding this topic. It does not interest me, nor does an extended debate.

Good luck,

A.S.H.

[gripreaper]

That's actually a good idea. I'll see if I can address this with Drake. No offense intended to you A.S.H. I respect you as well and your contributions.

[edit] ok, just sent Drake an e-mail.

[Chester]

Some of what Drake said:
The importance of the package sent to The Hague for international publication is that is gives the civilians the way to get the help of the U.S. military.

For Gripreaper - I am getting the impression that the 75% (Edit - 90% or so) or so in the military and the alphabets that don't want to see themselves and/or their families killed off, chips slammed in their heads and are tired of being poisoned amongst 80 other things on the list may be satisfied enough with these actions taken such that they would be willing to act for the people (us folks).

In other words, perhaps there's some technical error in the usage of law that lawyers could wrangle about, but for some soldiers and spies and the rest of us... its enough.

And I do very much respect all your input and in fact the post with the pyramid is in my all time top 5 and I send it to folks I care about.

[DreamsInDigital]

Actually the figure / number is much closer to around 90%, btw. :)

[Avocadess]

Then Drake got reconnected to the show.

Talks a while about Ascension...and what he believes about it.

Gives coffee recipe with Folgers, ginger, cloves, hyssop sprinkled in, one or two blossoms red clover with some leaves and then makes the coffee. He likes to use hyssop because of how it was used medicinally in the Bible....talks about red clover cleaning the blood and anti-allergen...

Talks about water...and about using colloidal silver in water you are storing...

Talks about supplements he takes to get oxygenated...and how he can breathe better around a lot of plants...

Talks about how the oxygen levels on the planet have dropped 40% or more since the 1950s...

Asked about remote viewing, Drake said he became fully psychic as a child. He practiced remote viewing, telepathy, telekinesis, OBEs...recommends humanityhealing website (did not say whether .com, .net, .org or whatever). Also mentioned David Wilcock who he regards highly: because Wilcock does not play games with what he puts in his books and website, both of which have things that used to be classified. Remote viewing became popular for spying, etc....also used for contact with ETs...as an intuitive connection...which can be different enough to be difficult to "translate." Similar to making agreements with wasps and bees so they don't sting you anymore.

Host says he does "remote listening" and cautions that if you do remote viewing you could be somewhat "targeted"...

Drake mentioned "intuitive interconnection."

Drake talked about importance of local community projects so we can have a strong country.

We need to take care of getting rid of the darkness on this planet. "As you know, God and Lucifer had a disagreement....I don't know that that is his name....My research in the area and I could not find definitive information on this including access to Vatican....Everybody knows about the Biblical stated idea of good and evil as Biblically stated....This planet is the LAST PLACE where the darkness resides." When we finish that here, "it can no longer exist."

There was a time that Drake got into the dark side, then learned it was not the place to be and get himself out of it and then got into as much of the good side as he could find.

Stopping taking notes at about 1:30. (Too tired, haha.)

[modwiz]

Actually the figure / number is much closer to around 90%, btw. :)

75% good, around 90% even better.

[A Simple Human]

That's actually a good idea. I'll see if I can address this with Drake. No offense intended to you A.S.H. I respect you as well and your contributions.

@ gripreaper,

No offense taken, ever. I just didn't want you to waste your energy or time further because I can not provide you with the answers you seek. I still revere your contributions to the PA forum, and I have utilized several of your posts to educate myself.

I believe we are both trying to seek the "Truth" about our existence, as well as, achieve what we hope to be a better existence for all. Perhaps we go about it in different ways. There's certainly nothing wrong with that. As far as I can tell, we're on the same "team", so to speak.

By the way, this is what contentious discourse between mature, confident, and respectful human beings looks like. ;)

[jp11]

Excellent respone A.S.H. and my kudos to you too gripreaper! Well done...and looking for more from others here.

:thumb:

[Mozart]

Avalonians,


Ok, I've deleted portions of certain personal comments in an email that I've received from Freedom Reigns in response to my query about the ICJ Process.


I know who the author is, but I've not yet received permission yet to identify the author of this bit that was written, then sent to me via email.


Here it goes:



[EDITOR: This was sent to me by someone who is fully informed about the mass arrest process, but this person (sic) declined to be identified for safety reasons. I did a small bit of editing in the additions of the bold subject headings, a small bit of grammar work and any words that I added are in the square brackets, per the standard editorial process.]



The Letter Explaining the Basis of the ICJ Documents

This is the legal basis as best I can offer in limited time and space.

Deep subject: How long can you tread water, Noah?

The standard of fact is derived from the action.

Actionable as represented by each of the entities.

The entities hinge on the facts of residents, correct number of factual representatives and the basis of exactly what constitutes the representative number required for the action.



Signatories

[The] coordinator of [the] meeting, secretary, and three agreed cosignatories of witness and agreement, are [the] minimum [required].

I offer that five (5) being the absolute minimum for this; adding two witnesses [for a total of 7 signatories] further renders validity to the action.

All must be signatories to the documents as both participant principals and factual witnesses.

These are requirements according to both our laws and the intended actionable resulting multiplicity of lawful impacts involved.



How It Works

The structure causes the coordinator and secretary to become pseudo-replacements, within the action, for the offices represented, and officially, through notice of action, the temporary true office holders.

As only a notification, the action in and of itself, is a self-replicating authority of its own.

Within the law are [the] confines and open-ended unconfined actions according to the content of the notification itself and its directed impacts. In basis, the notification is writing its own law as stated through the intent of the statement [of the declaration].

This allows for the creation of [an] entity, or condition, or both -- just as a corporation's bylaws define themselves into the law of binding actions within a corporation.

What you are looking for does not as such exist until the actionable notification is presented in factual form.



Differences between Notification and Declaration

There is a difference between notification and declaration.

What was done was a product of both, better defined as a declaration than a notification.

The declaration being the actionable, factual paperwork, where the process is defined as a notification with accepted receipt of delivery.

Look into how a new nation derives its legal basis for notification to the world of its status as an independent state.

This is exactly what was done.

In most cases a representative group of rebels states their freedom from their old government [through the declaration]. Note that it is usually a minority that does so. After the acceptance of the action through recognition by an already standing state, the fact is accepted. As the lawful process is backed by a majority, then a replacement ensues.

This goes to the recognition portion of this process. Our action precludes the recognition portion as it is a full separation or divorcement notification. Because the notification redefines the standing, through the content of the notification itself, the action steps outside the need for recognition. This allows for the pure action.

In effect, allowing several collateral actions within the facts that stand on their own. A multiple [of] results through a singular action -- without going into extraordinary detail and citation involving whole texts -- the above is the gist of the action.



How it is Effective in the Different Realms of ‘Law’

When looking into our actions, I strongly recommend [for you to find] the connective portions of basis in and of law offering the correlation of the several types of 'law'. There is a great deal of redefinition allowing for cross-reference and exception.

However, one should note that as any portion of one is used -- its collateral predecessor and precedent -- are offered as definitive parameters of use and definition. Thus the impacts of action in this usage/definition offers a wide diversity of basis.

The precedent is the derivation and refinement of law itself using all the basis from which it is defined from origin to present.

The reference should be contained in reference definition of international law as applied by civil authority. Add action and you have it.

[Alie]

I listened to the 4 hours and now unable to sleep. What do I think?

I'm thinking ... I'm ready, I tried to tell extended family about this a few weeks ago and received a negative or no response, so I won't be sending any more info out. I'm going to make sure my loved ones have what they need, which means I'll store a little bit more food, get out some cash (maybe silver/gold coins and keep my car filled up with gas. Not much else to do. Not worried about others because I'm a bit tired of appearing the fool ... it will be shock and awe for them and then I'll guide/calm if necessary.

I feel Drake's marathon talk indicates transparency. I got an indication about the coming fear/anger of the unprepared by listening to one of the callers --- her call indicated that she assumed that in the aftermath a similar replacement of government would be forced upon her and that she would have no choices.

I think that she is representative of the initial feelings of humankind as they watch the crimes revealed. The answer to her was that the leaders put in place would only be temporary unless voted by THE PEOPLE to stay. That the rebuild would be local --- by everyone voting, first on the new structure of government and then for people to represent us.

I remember in one of the earlier interviews that there would be an announcement from the white--house. I assume that will be from someone who would have a great calming effect (can't imagine who).

Very interesting about Obama, Biden and Clinton (?) planes being grounded because of birds. This was not confirmed by Drake, but what was said and not said about it was very interesting.

The word has been mentioned in earlier broadcasts --- "RESET" --- a tearing down and rebuilding. The tearing down phase is the action we're anticipating (top down), leaving the rebuilding (ground up) ---local community action --- we the people.

Now perhaps I'll go to sleep.

The only thing I know at this very moment is that I know very little. Even so, if you're a "watcher" and have been watching over many years, then like me, you probably understand the reason for all the "watching".

[crosby]

Drake
The difference is that the basis of it is being shown. The, and I'll give you an example, the package of documentation the day it left our shore, they couldn't catch it. And it got away from them and it left our shore, here in the United States. It's the same day that the resignations started in Europe.

They knew exactly what was going on, and couldn't stop it. And they thought, "oops, well time to go." It's gotten worse since then. Etc...

A.S.H.

So, this "magic" paperwork, which no one here has seen by the way, makes the rats scatter and jump ship? This paperwork is so powerful that it was attempted to be "stopped" but it made it through and now the whole paradigm is shifted?

I want to see the paperwork. I want to see how the original organic sovereign states, which have been suspended and under the mandates of the Federal corporatocracy since at least 1871 with the Reconstruction Act, have re-emerged and extricated themselves, and are now operating outside the fiat system of commerce, and how the military is aligning themselves with these sovereign immune nation states, and are ALSO extricating themselves as the global mercenaries for the cabal.

Where is the basis of this difference "being shown?"

i am with you now on this.
corson

[crosby]

if you want to know what is going on within the walls of the hague; simply go there.
regards, corson

http://www.haguejusticeportal.net/index.php?id=5535

i have been digging for a case, and i cannot find one. sorry.
corson

[Dennis Leahy]

Some of what Drake said:

He claims that Iceland forgave all mortgages. (I've been going back and forth about believing that story. One Avalon member in Iceland says this is not true.)




Avocadess - thank you for excellent notes - good question about Iceland - I found several alternative news sites that make that claim but then was able to find this link from Bloomberg -

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-20/icelandic-anger-brings-record-debt-relief-in-best-crisis-recovery-story.html

“You could safely say that Iceland holds the world record in household debt relief,” said Lars Christensen, chief emerging markets economist at Danske Bank A/S in Copenhagen. “Iceland followed the textbook example of what is required in a crisis. Any economist would agree with that.”

Looks like there may be some truth to the claim

It is not true. This is not terribly important in this discussion about Drake, and I will hand him the excuse that working on National Sovereignty issues has a narrow focus, not a world view.

There is another thread about Iceland on the forum, and I will update it later today when I can offer a quote or an article that is in-progress from someone who knows.

And now, back to the Drake show. [That sounds bad, but I'm just trying to segue back to the thread's actual topic. If we're not real careful, people will start asking Drake a thousand very stupid questions - "What color are your eyes? or "Are you the second coming of Christ?" - and those that wallowed in the 'Charles/Atticus' material know exactly what I'm talking about.]

Dennis

[Dennis Leahy]

...I feel Drake's marathon talk indicates transparency. I got an indication about the coming fear/anger of the unprepared by listening to one of the callers --- her call indicated that she assumed that in the aftermath a similar replacement of government would be forced upon her and that she would have no choices.

I think that she is representative of the initial feelings of humankind as they watch the crimes revealed. The answer to her was that the leaders put in place would only be temporary unless voted by THE PEOPLE to stay. That the rebuild would be local --- by everyone voting, first on the new structure of government and then for people to represent us.

The word has been mentioned in earlier broadcasts --- "RESET" --- a tearing down and rebuilding. The tearing down phase is the action we're anticipating (top down), leaving the rebuilding (ground up) ---local community action --- we the people.

I suspect many people have given up long ago dreaming about modifying the structure of governance. Many others have been focused on one, narrow, injustice or problem, and not the 'big picture.' Please allow what is written in The Reset Button document (http://www.resetbutton2012.org/Documents/ResetButtonFull.pdf) to serve as either a blueprint/framework, or as as starting point, or even for a source of material to start thinking about a couple of dozen of the biggest issues we face. It doesn't even matter if you disagree with most of it, as long as it gets you thinking. Remember too, The Reset Button is a collection of the thoughts of hundreds of brilliant people who have thought about and who have studied and researched these issues. This is not the work of one person.

Dennis

[sdv]

Corson, I know something about law and international law works so when all these claims from Drake came along, I went and carefully read everything about The International Courts in The Hague and it was confirmed: Drake is talking a lot of BS. This is from the first interview:


NOTIFYING THE HAGUE

DK: The person that took the notes was fairly knowledgeable in the real sovereign legalities and lawfulness.

This person took that knowledge, in combination with what I had put together, got with some other people, and they said: Well yeah, let's see what happens.

So, they put together a Process of Notification and they sent it off to the International Court of the Hague.

[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice ]

DW: Oh my God.

DK: This is the Civilian Division, as I understand it, or Civil Division. And they, of course, sent a reply back when they received it, that they had received that package.

The rest of it was a receipt of the intent of the package. They had made a copy of what they had sent, a Certified Copy of the original, that sort of thing.

Now they're sitting on a package there, and the Hague's got one in their records.

DW: Right. So now you have a complete paper trail.

DK: Exactly.


It's absolute rubbish, and this is just one example. The story also keeps changing and keeps on getting more incoherent, as an example:


The Letter Explaining the Basis of the ICJ Documents

This is the legal basis as best I can offer in limited time and space.

Deep subject: How long can you tread water, Noah?

The standard of fact is derived from the action.

Actionable as represented by each of the entities.

The entities hinge on the facts of residents, correct number of factual representatives and the basis of exactly what constitutes the representative number required for the action.



Signatories

[The] coordinator of [the] meeting, secretary, and three agreed cosignatories of witness and agreement, are [the] minimum [required].

I offer that five (5) being the absolute minimum for this; adding two witnesses [for a total of 7 signatories] further renders validity to the action.

All must be signatories to the documents as both participant principals and factual witnesses.

These are requirements according to both our laws and the intended actionable resulting multiplicity of lawful impacts involved.



How It Works

The structure causes the coordinator and secretary to become pseudo-replacements, within the action, for the offices represented, and officially, through notice of action, the temporary true office holders.

As only a notification, the action in and of itself, is a self-replicating authority of its own.

Within the law are [the] confines and open-ended unconfined actions according to the content of the notification itself and its directed impacts. In basis, the notification is writing its own law as stated through the intent of the statement [of the declaration].

This allows for the creation of [an] entity, or condition, or both -- just as a corporation's bylaws define themselves into the law of binding actions within a corporation.

What you are looking for does not as such exist until the actionable notification is presented in factual form.



Differences between Notification and Declaration

There is a difference between notification and declaration.

What was done was a product of both, better defined as a declaration than a notification.

The declaration being the actionable, factual paperwork, where the process is defined as a notification with accepted receipt of delivery.

Look into how a new nation derives its legal basis for notification to the world of its status as an independent state.

This is exactly what was done.

In most cases a representative group of rebels states their freedom from their old government [through the declaration]. Note that it is usually a minority that does so. After the acceptance of the action through recognition by an already standing state, the fact is accepted. As the lawful process is backed by a majority, then a replacement ensues.

This goes to the recognition portion of this process. Our action precludes the recognition portion as it is a full separation or divorcement notification. Because the notification redefines the standing, through the content of the notification itself, the action steps outside the need for recognition. This allows for the pure action.

In effect, allowing several collateral actions within the facts that stand on their own. A multiple [of] results through a singular action -- without going into extraordinary detail and citation involving whole texts -- the above is the gist of the action.



How it is Effective in the Different Realms of ‘Law’

When looking into our actions, I strongly recommend [for you to find] the connective portions of basis in and of law offering the correlation of the several types of 'law'. There is a great deal of redefinition allowing for cross-reference and exception.

However, one should note that as any portion of one is used -- its collateral predecessor and precedent -- are offered as definitive parameters of use and definition. Thus the impacts of action in this usage/definition offers a wide diversity of basis.

The precedent is the derivation and refinement of law itself using all the basis from which it is defined from origin to present.

The reference should be contained in reference definition of international law as applied by civil authority. Add action and you have it.

Huh?

By the way, Mozart, I am a very experienced editor and I recognise rubbish when I read it!

But this whole Drake story is great entertainment value - better than TV!

[YvonneG]

Nothing was filed with the Hague. The notification and declaration was sent and there is proof that it was recieved. That is all that was needed. There was no need to record anything in the Hague. Drake has explained this many times.

And yes we can call magic paperwork, the same as our ORIGINAL Declaration was "magic". Everything that they have done is "lawful" according to the Constitution etc. I now personally know several of the people who were involved in the first state who did this and have worked with DRake for months.

[Mozart]

Nothing was filed with the Hague. The notification and declaration was sent and there is proof that it was recieved. That is all that was needed. There was no need to record anything in the Hague. Drake has explained this many times.




Yes, exactly.


And I would not be surprised if the ICJ failed to publish anything along the lines of what Drake is doing. It's my understanding that the paperwork that the people sent to the ICJ was based on the Common Law and there's nothing in the ICJ site that shows that ... on purpose, I suspect, as the ICJ is primarily a color-of-law governing body.


Like the de facto governing bodies here in America, the color-of-law ICJ is built upon the foundation of the Common Law, but the actions today are primarily of color-of-law, so it governs only those who are acting within the color-of-law, legal-fiction and corporate world of "law".


The paperwork that the reconstituted People in the several of the Thirteen Colonies were all based on Common Law. Common Law and Substantive Law trumps color-of-law, always.


And it's time for the entire world to do a reset of their sovereignty and declare themselves sovereign and free from any sort of rule of law based on any sort of old laws going back thousands of years. We can do a reset of a new paradigm of new laws that respect the sovereignty of every damn real, living People on the Land every frigg'n where on Earth.


And the foundation of the new sets of Substantive Laws can be based on the Golden Rule, the Law of Free Will, etc. The details will be sorted out soon enough, as we do live in a complicated world, so it's not going to be smooth sailing to settle into a new paradigm of a new set of ways of us to govern ourselves.

[bekrah]

I've been following this thread... I would like to share my two cents. (for what it's worth..uh no pun intended).

I like most people here have been very excited about these Drake happenings. However, I have my reservations about the truthfulness of what is being said. Twice now I have contacted freedomreigns, asking for some information about the paperwork filed with the Hague. In a nutshell, I said, if this is a notification process, shouldn't there be a paper-trail of it somewhere? Shouldn't there be record of this "notification"? If there is, can you provide it?

Every response I've gotten regarding this issue says, listen to the next radio-show for more information. I listen to the radio show and it does not answer my question. I just sent another email, to Drake, asking the same questions. I asked if he can provide a direct link to the Hague that shows this has been done. I asked him if this is in the public domain. If it isn't in the public domain, I asked to know when it would be. Hopefully third time's the charm.

There is one thing I would like to add. I continue to remain optimistic. I remain optimistic that there is some truth to what he is saying. However, more importantly, I remain optimistic that these changes are something we as a whole can do ourselves. Even if everything he says is a load of hogwash, I think if we remain positive, it can serve as a catalyst to achieve these results ourselves. We need to remember where we come from. We're made of stars, in our heart of hearts, we're all connected, divine, and we can achieve anything if we truly desire it. Visualize it happening...put the whole of your being into seeing the world become a better place, imagine it like it's already happened, all things originate in thought.

[bekrah]

I did not see this when I posted, thanks for adding. I'll keep my ears and eyes open. Thanks!


Edit: I'm still getting used to the reply function here, does anyone know a quick way to quote individual posts? Is it just a copy paste thing? Meh, sorry bout that.


Nothing was filed with the Hague. The notification and declaration was sent and there is proof that it was recieved. That is all that was needed. There was no need to record anything in the Hague. Drake has explained this many times.

And yes we can call magic paperwork, the same as our ORIGINAL Declaration was "magic". Everything that they have done is "lawful" according to the Constitution etc. I now personally know several of the people who were involved in the first state who did this and have worked with DRake for months.
Another Edit: Quick question, can you provide a link to this? (below)

Nothing was filed with the Hague. The notification and declaration was sent and there is proof that it was received.I think it would help ease a lot of people's minds if they could at least see the proof that it was received, it would sure help me and the people I'm showing this stuff too. Thanks! :)

[YvonneG]

There is no case. No one said there was a case. There was nothing filed. IT was a notification.


if you want to know what is going on within the walls of the hague; simply go there.
regards, corson

http://www.haguejusticeportal.net/index.php?id=5535

i have been digging for a case, and i cannot find one. sorry.
corson

[YvonneG]

THANK YOU MOZART...I know the truth, but don't have the language or education you do!





Nothing was filed with the Hague. The notification and declaration was sent and there is proof that it was recieved. That is all that was needed. There was no need to record anything in the Hague. Drake has explained this many times.




Yes, exactly.


And I would not be surprised if the ICJ failed to publish anything along the lines of what Drake is doing. It's my understanding that the paperwork that the people sent to the ICJ was based on the Common Law and there's nothing in the ICJ site that shows that ... on purpose, I suspect, as the ICJ is primarily a color-of-law governing body.


Like the de facto governing bodies here in America, the color-of-law ICJ is built upon the foundation of the Common Law, but the actions today are primarily of color-of-law, so it governs only those who are acting within the color-of-law, legal-fiction and corporate world of "law".


The paperwork that the reconstituted People in the several of the Thirteen Colonies were all based on Common Law. Common Law and Substantive Law trumps color-of-law, always.


And it's time for the entire world to do a reset of their sovereignty and declare themselves sovereign and free from any sort of rule of law based on any sort of old laws going back thousands of years. We can do a reset of a new paradigm of new laws that respect the sovereignty of every damn real, living People on the Land every frigg'n where on Earth.


And the foundation of the new sets of Substantive Laws can be based on the Golden Rule, the Law of Free Will, etc. The details will be sorted out soon enough, as we do live in a complicated world, so it's not going to be smooth sailing to settle into a new paradigm of a new set of ways of us to govern ourselves.

[YvonneG]

We will see the paperwork. Of course, they should show the paperwork openly so the signers can be put in harms way? In some states the paperwork is available to be seen, but here were I live those who did are not known to us yet because they are afraid.

It makes me sad, to be honest, that it seems most nay-sayers that I run across on any thread have not taken the time to listen to all the shows. And instead ask many questions that could be answered by Drake. No offense...just makes me sad.

[bekrah]

We will see the paperwork. Of course, they should show the paperwork openly so the signers can be put in harms way? In some states the paperwork is available to be seen, but here were I live those who did are not known to us yet because they are afraid.

It makes me sad, to be honest, that it seems most nay-sayers that I run across on any thread have not taken the time to listen to all the shows. And instead ask many questions that could be answered by Drake. No offense...just makes me sad.

That makes sense that they would be hiding it for the sake of safety. I have listened to every show I could find on the subject, I've spent hours on it, (much to the chagrin of some of my less enthusiastic family members) I guess I'm just a firm believer in the idea of trust but verify. I really, really like what he's saying, and I hope it's true. However, I think it's a good idea to verify whenever possible. For me, being able to see that the paperwork had at least been received would be enough verification. I'm not trying to be cynical, I think this is a much needed change, and I'm really exited about it. But again, I'm a believer of trust, but verify whenever possible.

[Dennis Leahy]

... it's time for the entire world to do a reset of their sovereignty and declare themselves sovereign and free from any sort of rule of law based on any sort of old laws going back thousands of years. We can do a reset of a new paradigm of new laws that respect the sovereignty of every damn real, living People on the Land every frigg'n where on Earth.


And the foundation of the new sets of Substantive Laws can be based on the Golden Rule, the Law of Free Will, etc. The details will be sorted out soon enough, as we do live in a complicated world, so it's not going to be smooth sailing to settle into a new paradigm of a new set of ways of us to govern ourselves.
I think we have a few very bright people here that are looking for an irrefutable legal case that could be won in a modern court. They won't find what they are looking for.

(As I see it) this is a case of using existing laws to extricate ourselves from under the tyranny of the political minions of globalist corporatists and the international banking cabal that owns them. I suspect that the bastards in charge have laws that say they are in power forever. The way I see it, Drake and company are making a case, an argument, to take to a group of 'patriots' (for lack of a better word) within the power/security structure that could and can pull off a political coup. They don't have to win a court case at the Hague, or in the US Supreme Court - they have to show this group of patriots that there is, on paper, not in modern courts, legal justification for the action.

In effect, they declare newer laws null, citing older laws. Whether or not a cadre of lawyers would agree is moot - at this time. Once removed from power, with secrets revealed - heinous criminal depravity and conspiracy - they could not return to power no matter what. This is and is not a "legal" case. They are using law (old law, law that should never have been subverted) as law. I'm fine with that. They have my blessing to move forward on my behalf. I just hope they throw-out all the current judges that would ever hear a case based on this. Those embedded judges are the "get out of jail free" cards for the bastards in power. Remember in the Godfather movie when the Godfather says that some day he will ask a favor? Well, now you know the ace-in-the-hole reason to embed federal courts with people that will be loyal to the Financial Elite.

Bringing that case to a modern US court, with modern (bought-off) US federal judges or even worse, the totally corrupt SCOTUS that blatantly makes up laws to fit their agenda, the case would get thrown out. So, who is right? Where do you place your backing might be a better question.

Dennis

[mountain_jim]

Perhaps only somewhat related to this topic (edit - I see it's related to the immediate post above


the totally corrupt SCOTUS that blatantly makes up laws to fit their agenda

posted while I was writing this one), but Gorden Duff wrote:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/04/22/intel-disclosures-and-gossip-such-as-not-to-spoil-your-tea/



Our most crippling problem is the lack of a government, particularly the ability of the Supreme Court to go “activist” and usurp states’ rights, interfere in elections, write its own legislation, that and our “money in politics” issue, primarily involving Israeli interference in the House of Representatives is likely to bring about use of emergency presidential powers after the election.

Thus far, one Supreme Court Justice is guilty of tax evasion, another tied to organized crime, both “neocon-activists.” Both face arrest.

[sdv]

Apologies to hammer on, but some of you have no idea what the ICJ or ICC is and what it is does and what you are saying makes no sense whatsoever.

The ICJ does not make or uphold any kind of law at all. What it does do is:

1. Settle disputes between nation states (nation states that are recognised by the UN, but it will accept a case from a non-UN member as well) if requested to do so. It will refer to treaties and charters in making a judgement, but it does not make those treaties and charters and it does not have a law enforcement arm. As I have noted before, the USA is one of the few, if the only, nation state that does not consider a judgement of the ICJ binding (all other countries do).
2. Give advisory opinions if requested to by one of the recognised bodies of the UN. These opinions are not binding.

Look at what Drake said (in one of my earlier posts). Now he is saying something else.

Nothing was filed with the Hague. (First something was and now it wasn't.) The notification and declaration was sent and there is proof that it was recieved. (A notification and declaration of what, and what is the proof that it was recieved?) That is all that was needed. (That is all that was needed for what?) There was no need to record anything in the Hague. (Why was there no need to record anything in The Hague, and if there was no need, which sounds like a lame cop-out when caught in a lie, then what was the purpose of sending anything there at all?) Drake has explained this many times.

How is the ICJ a color-[sic]-of law organisation, and why do you say it was founded on Common Law? The ICJ does not base its judgements on Common Law and it is not restricted by the rules of Common Law.

The most ironic thing of this whole debacle is that there are legitimate and existing ways that this sovereignty issue can be dealt with, but instead there is a whole lot of smoke and mirrors.

[Ishtar]

We need to take care of getting rid of the darkness on this planet. "As you know, God and Lucifer had a disagreement....I don't know that that is his name....My research in the area and I could not find definitive information on this including access to Vatican....Everybody knows about the Biblical stated idea of good and evil as Biblically stated....This planet is the LAST PLACE where the darkness resides." When we finish that here, "it can no longer exist."



Subtext: Standby for a Good Ol' Boy Born Again Christian witch-hunt.

[bekrah]

The most ironic thing of this whole debacle is that there are legitimate and existing ways that this sovereignty issue can be dealt with, but instead there is a whole lot of smoke and mirrors.

You have more info on that? I'd be really interested to hear how that is done. I know next to nothing about this stuff, but I would like to learn. Do you know a good place to start?

Like I said before, if this Drake thing turns out to be a hoax, that doesn't mean we can't achieve the same ourselves. He's right about one thing though, it would mean people have to get off the couch.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Wait what the heck was drake going to say about global warming before he was cut off in the third hour (i think)???? ARGGGHH!!!!

[aranuk]

There seems to be a lot of distraction here about laws and wording of laws. When tyrrany is upon the land and the people are being abused, and their freedom taken away from them "legally" who gives a stuff about their laws? If policemen are dragging you and your loved ones into a fema camp, do you ask them for proof of the law? They will show you it is written in the NDAA. After the bastards are rounded up we the citizens can make our own laws. Absolutely correct. Drakes speaks about Common Law being used. Why not? Fascist dictatorships make laws to keep themselves in power and to restrict the freedom of the people. Why all these questions about seeing proof of receipt from the Hague? If you people who are so uptight about a legal or lawful reason for this big clean up were true to your colours, why were you not publicly protesting before the NDAA thing was signed by Obama? If you use your seemingly understanding of law more wisely you could be giving your senator a hard ****ing time instead of Drake. Add something positive to the coming revolution instead of opposing the will of the saviours of USA.


Stan

[Mozart]

<SIGH>


I'm tired of all this talk and debate.


To the US Oath-keeping military and county sheriffs: TAKE ACTION ASAP!


There is only one thing that these bastards understand and it is this: FORCE.


We have to take our Rights, our sovereignty and our freedoms back by FORCE.


But with the least-possible amounts of chaos in the world while changing from one system to another, yet to keep on functioning as a viable society world-wide.


Easier said than done.


So meanwhile, we debate / discuss on ....


As I understand it, the notification / declaration was a notification that the Signatories were no longer under the rule / domination of the color-of-law authorities in America and that the Signatories had declared themselves free.


There was probably more to it, I'm sure, but those two things are the essential ones.


The notification enumerated the numerous abuses, usurpations and criminal actions that were the cause of action for the Signatories to stand up and SHOUT out that they were, in effect, mad as hell and they were not going to take it anymore!


The notification listed the facts of the true nature and cause of the underlying power(s) of the color-of-law, de facto entities that were masquerading as de jure government entities -- in other words, the color-of-law entities were committing crimes of massive fraud.


Fraud vitiates any contract, beit overt, implied or hidden.


The notification listed a number of the massive list of the abuses, usurpations and criminal actions that were committed by the de facto, corporate entities.


The notification listed the cause of action of the Signatories standing up and saying, in effect:


"STFU and listen to us!"


"These corporate, de facto entities who are masquerading as de jure governments to whom we are supposed to delegate our powers that we, as sovereigns, inherently have via our Inalienable Rights and as enumerated in our Organic Constitution of 1787, as Lawfully amended, have committed massive, massive crimes against us and we are mad as hell and we will not take it anymore!"


"Stop -- effing stop -- your criminal actions against us!"


"We have proven the true nature and cause of the legal-fiction, de facto entities who have committed criminal acts against us, the People, with massive injuries to us, the People, and to our property, so we are giving you eff'n bastards NOTICE TO CEASE AND DESIST in eff'n with us."


"So our standing, cause and power of action is to protect ourselves, our children, our properties and our true way of honest American life as sovereign People, so you color-of-law bastards had better CEASE AND DESIST, otherwise will come after you with our guns, pitchforks and hangman's noosies, y'hear?!"


"We the People, the Signatories of the declaration sent to the Hague declare ourselves free and sovereign; therefore, no color-of-law entity has any right, any claim, nor any jurisdiction over us for any goddamn reason."


"We rescind and revoke any signatures that we have with any goddamn color-of-law entity on the basis that all those "contracts" failed to fully inform the signatories of the full amount of material facts that affect each and every signature, thus all signatures to any color-of-law "contracts" are null and void, ab initio!"


So we don't need no stink'n, goddamn filing of anything, listing of anything -- we simply sent them a notification to them stating clearly the nature and cause of our action, plus a declaration of our independence from the color-of-law bastards. Then they (ICJ) gave us a receipt of the fact that they received the notification. That's all. Nothing more.


It's now time to sharpen up our pitchforks, load up the ammo, pack bags of wrist twisty-ties and peacefully support our Oath-keeping county sheriffs, our Oath-keeping US Marshals and our Oath-keeping military to go after the eff'n bastards with the force and power of the sovereign people.


"[Edit: I want to make it very clear that I'm not advocating mob violence. What I'm saying is that the people must peacefully and Lawfully support the Oath-keeping peace officers to make the arrests themselves with the support of the US Marshals and the US military.


Peaceful application of the force and will of the People is what I'm advocating to stop and arrest the bastards.


The assistance of the people who may be asked to guard key infrastructure in local areas -- bridges, power plants, etc -- may happen with the combination of pitchforks and cell phones. ]"

[Ishtar]

Add something positive to the coming revolution instead of opposing the will of the saviours of USA.
Stan

I think you're missing the point, Stan.

I'm reading these legal queries in various posts as attempts to establish Drake's credibiliity to see if he really is, as you call him, the "saviour of the USA", because he's using a lot of legal-sounding language to stand up his case. It's only right, then, that what he is saying (and he does keep moving the goalposts and some of it does sound like total hogwash) should be examined carefully because if we are to abandon all laws, as you are suggesting, and be in a state of totally anarchy, we need to really sure of what we're doing and who we're following. So far, I'm not....


<SIGH>
I'm tired of all this talk and debate.
It's now time to sharpen up our pitchforks, load up the ammo, pack bags of wrist twisty-ties and GO AFTER THE EFF'N BASTARDS WITH THE FORCE AND POWER OF THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE.



Just exactly what we don't want ... mob rule with pitchforks...

[Mozart]

Just exactly what we don't want ... mob rule with pitchforks...




Yes, we don't want mob rule -- I'm saying that we will need to support and back up our county sheriffs in their efforts to arrest the bastards, supported by the US Marshals, supported by the US military ... and supported by the People to guard any critical infrastructure with pitchforks, guns, etc, so that we would not have things blown up.


But if the military, US Marshals and county sheriffs fail to act, then it would descend into mob-rule chaos and I don't want that, either!

[Ishtar]

But with respect, Mozart, going after "the effin' bastards" with pitchforks and ammo was not what was originally signalled by Drake. In his first interview, he talked about peaceful arrests by federal marshalls and only backed up by the military if things got nasty. His message was that ordinary civilians should do nothing ... in other words, we shouldn't get in the way. I'm not aware that Drake is asking for civilian back up further than that... unless he's changed the goalposts again recently.

[aranuk]

The main point to me is that the military in the Pentagon needed some lawful reason to take action on behalf of the people. The present laws in the USA are as such to enslave the citizens and at the same time strengthen the hold of TPTW which gives the banking cabal the upper hand. If there hadn't been some sort of way the citizens could make themselves free of these sinister laws the Military could not act legally. I am sorry if I do not know the laws in the constitution or the bill of rights. I don;t even know what rights I have in Scottish law never mind US law. You sound as if you would understand the law in USA if you could see the right documents. Gripreaper seems to understand the law more than anyone on this forum, I admit. However I still think it is all distraction and smoking mirrors. I believe Drake when he said that all the paperwork had been put in place and that had satisfied the Pentagon people. Who am I to argue with them? If and when the cabalist bastards are rounded up and the currupt politicians too, who will give a damn whether the wording of the paperwork was not up to the scrutiny of Gripreaper and company? I certainly won't, will you? Common law would be adhered to and most of the lawyers would have to find a more useful job to contribute to the new society.

Stan

[Fred Steeves]

It's now time to sharpen up our pitchforks, load up the ammo, pack bags of wrist twisty-ties and support our Oath-keeping county sheriffs, our Oath-keeping US Marshals and our Oath-keeping military to GO AFTER THE EFF'N BASTARDS WITH THE FORCE AND POWER OF THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE.



Hi Mozart, I felt exactly like that in my early awakening days, exactly. Upon first recognition of the lies and betrayel I was like "lock and f*****g load baby! This s**t ends here and now!"

Well, you know what mate? Do what you need to do, but I'm going to tell you that is a sure fire path to self destruction. It will consume you relentlessly until either you are physically dead, or there is nothing left of what used to be you.

To boot, you will have changed absolutely nothing, except exposing yourself to an energetic feeding frenzy by the very forces you wish to depose on your way out.

Like I saw a wise person (Wade Frazier) on this forum once say: "Love is the only way out".

Cheers,
Fred

[aranuk]

<SIGH>


I'm tired of all this talk and debate.


To the US Oath-keeping military and county sheriffs: TAKE ACTION ASAP!


There is only one thing that these bastards understand and it is this: FORCE.


We have to take our Rights, our sovereignty and our freedoms back by FORCE.


But with the least-possible amounts of chaos in the world while changing from one system to another, yet to keep on functioning as a viable society world-wide.


Easier said than done.


So meanwhile, we debate / discuss on ....


As I understand it, the notification / declaration was a notification that the Signatories were no longer under the rule / domination of the color-of-law authorities in America and that the Signatories had declared themselves free.


There was probably more to it, I'm sure, but those two things are the essential ones.


The notification enumerated the numerous abuses, usurpations and criminal actions that were the cause of action for the Signatories to stand up and SHOUT out that they were, in effect, mad as hell and they were not going to take it anymore!


The notification listed the facts of the true nature and cause of the underlying power(s) of the color-of-law, de facto entities that were masquerading as de jure government entities -- in other words, the color-of-law entities were committing crimes of massive fraud.


Fraud vitiates any contract, beit overt, implied or hidden.


The notification listed a number of the massive list of the abuses, usurpations and criminal actions that were committed by the de facto, corporate entities.


The notification listed the cause of action of the Signatories standing up and saying, in effect:


"STFU and listen to us!"


"These corporate, de facto entities who are masquerading as de jure governments to whom we are supposed to delegate our powers that we, as sovereigns, inherently have via our Inalienable Rights and as enumerated in our Organic Constitution of 1787, as Lawfully amended, have committed massive, massive crimes against us and we are mad as hell and we will not take it anymore!"


"Stop -- effing stop -- your criminal actions against us!"


"We have proven the true nature and cause of the legal-fiction, de facto entities who have committed criminal acts against us, the People, with massive injuries to us, the People, and to our property, so we are giving you eff'n bastards NOTICE TO CEASE AND DESIST in eff'n with us."


"So our standing, cause and power of action is to protect ourselves, our children, our properties and our true way of honest American life as sovereign People, so you color-of-law bastards had better CEASE AND DESIST, otherwise will come after you with our guns, pitchforks and hangman's noosies, y'hear?!"


"We the People, the Signatories of the declaration sent to the Hague declare ourselves free and sovereign; therefore, no color-of-law entity has any right, any claim, nor any jurisdiction over us for any goddamn reason."


"We rescind and revoke any signatures that we have with any goddamn color-of-law entity on the basis that all those "contracts" failed to fully inform the signatories of the full amount of material facts that affect each and every signature, thus all signatures to any color-of-law "contracts" are null and void, ab initio!"


So we don't need no stink'n, goddamn filing of anything, listing of anything -- we simply sent them a notification to them stating clearly the nature and cause of our action, plus a declaration of our independence from the color-of-law bastards. Then they (ICJ) gave us a receipt of the fact that they received the notification. That's all. Nothing more.


It's now time to sharpen up our pitchforks, load up the ammo, pack bags of wrist twisty-ties and support our Oath-keeping county sheriffs, our Oath-keeping US Marshals and our Oath-keeping military to GO AFTER THE EFF'N BASTARDS WITH THE FORCE AND POWER OF THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE.



You efin say it as it is Mozart! Couldn't effin agree more!


Stan

[Ishtar]

I believe Drake when he said that all the paperwork had been put in place and that had satisfied the Pentagon people. Who am I to argue with them?

You, Stan, are a Sovereign person who has every right to question when no proof or evidence is being provided. :cool: Even if they could produce the receipt from the Hague, it would be something. But so far, we're being expected to take everything on trust...a bit like religion, really.



If and when the cabalist bastards are rounded up and the currupt politicians too, who will give a damn whether the wording of the paperwork was not up to the scrutiny of Gripreaper and company? I certainly won't, will you?

That's true. But in order to get to that point, we have to be sure that what Drake is telling us is true, and the only way we can do that is to scrutinise everything he says.

After all, so far, he is just a voice on a radio station to most of us.

As I understand it, that's where all the scrutiny on this thread is coming from... not to a desire to nit-pick for no good reason.

[YvonneG]

The most ironic thing of this whole debacle is that there are legitimate and existing ways that this sovereignty issue can be dealt with, but instead there is a whole lot of smoke and mirrors.

You have more info on that? I'd be really interested to hear how that is done. I know next to nothing about this stuff, but I would like to learn. Do you know a good place to start?

Like I said before, if this Drake thing turns out to be a hoax, that doesn't mean we can't achieve the same ourselves. He's right about one thing though, it would mean people have to get off the couch.

People working with Drake have been "off the couch" for many years working on this, which is one reason I can imagine they would waste their time with Drake if he were hoax. What's in My Debt folks, of which Teri is one of them, help and teach people every day with their Debt. And from the looks of it is surely working with CC debt.

[aranuk]

Last night when I heard Drake speak about lots of things, I couldn't help thinking that he would be well at home here on Avalon. He seems just like us in his way of thinking and feeling. In fact it could be like we at Avalon appointed a spokesman on our behalf to be a gobetween the Military and of the people. What more could our dreams have delivered?

Stan

[Ron Mauer Sr]

It's now time to sharpen up our pitchforks, load up the ammo, pack bags of wrist twisty-ties and support our Oath-keeping county sheriffs, our Oath-keeping US Marshals and our Oath-keeping military to GO AFTER THE EFF'N BASTARDS WITH THE FORCE AND POWER OF THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE.



Hi Mozart, I felt exactly like that in my early awakening days, exactly. Upon first recognition of the lies and betrayel I was like "lock and f*****g load baby! This s**t ends here and now!"

Well, you know what mate? Do what you need to do, but I'm going to tell you that is a sure fire path to self destruction. It will consume you relentlessly until either you are physically dead, or there is nothing left of what used to be you.

To boot, you will have changed absolutely nothing, except exposing yourself to an energetic feeding frenzy by the very forces you wish to depose on your way out.

Like I saw a wise person (Wade Frazier) on this forum once say: "Love is the only way out".

Cheers,
Fred

Fred, that is an interesting quote by Wade Frazier. So similar to what I have heard in my head years ago when recovering from confrontational situations. Many times I clearly heard "Love is the only answer."

[YvonneG]

David Steele Former CIA agent video from 2 years ago so what is happening now is truly not so far fetched.

Former spy tells all, keep blogging and exposing pursue Treason charges listen to him here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGvhK0Pnh-U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGvhK0Pnh-U)

this is description on youtube:

Robbert D. Steele, former spy, the son of an oil man, blows the cover off all the mess that is going on. LISTEN UP to what he says, if it's the last thing you do. The government needs to be fired along with the electoral reform system. Spread the News! UNITED WE STAND! DIVIDE WE FALL! We bloggers and those who make videos (vloggers) do make a difference. You are the Paul Reveres and Patrick Henry's of our generation. You are the intelligence minutemen of the age. We have the power. Take it back!

[Mozart]

Thank you, several of you, for your feedback.


I made an edit to my post, to wit:


"[Edit: I want to make it very clear that I'm not advocating mob violence. What I'm saying is that the people must peacefully and Lawfully support the Oath-keeping peace officers to make the arrests themselves with the support of the US Marshals and the US military.


Peaceful application of the force and will of the People is what I'm advocating to stop and arrest the bastards.


The assistance of the people who may be asked to guard key infrastructure in local areas -- bridges, power plants, etc -- may happen with the combination of pitchforks and cell phones. ]"

[Chester]

Corson, I know something about law and international law works so when all these claims from Drake came along, I went and carefully read everything about The International Courts in The Hague and it was confirmed: Drake is talking a lot of BS. This is from the first interview:


NOTIFYING THE HAGUE

DK: The person that took the notes was fairly knowledgeable in the real sovereign legalities and lawfulness.

This person took that knowledge, in combination with what I had put together, got with some other people, and they said: Well yeah, let's see what happens.

So, they put together a Process of Notification and they sent it off to the International Court of the Hague.

[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice ]

DW: Oh my God.

DK: This is the Civilian Division, as I understand it, or Civil Division. And they, of course, sent a reply back when they received it, that they had received that package.

The rest of it was a receipt of the intent of the package. They had made a copy of what they had sent, a Certified Copy of the original, that sort of thing.

Now they're sitting on a package there, and the Hague's got one in their records.

DW: Right. So now you have a complete paper trail.

DK: Exactly.


It's absolute rubbish, and this is just one example. The story also keeps changing and keeps on getting more incoherent, as an example:


The Letter Explaining the Basis of the ICJ Documents

This is the legal basis as best I can offer in limited time and space.

Deep subject: How long can you tread water, Noah?

The standard of fact is derived from the action.

Actionable as represented by each of the entities.

The entities hinge on the facts of residents, correct number of factual representatives and the basis of exactly what constitutes the representative number required for the action.



Signatories

[The] coordinator of [the] meeting, secretary, and three agreed cosignatories of witness and agreement, are [the] minimum [required].

I offer that five (5) being the absolute minimum for this; adding two witnesses [for a total of 7 signatories] further renders validity to the action.

All must be signatories to the documents as both participant principals and factual witnesses.

These are requirements according to both our laws and the intended actionable resulting multiplicity of lawful impacts involved.



How It Works

The structure causes the coordinator and secretary to become pseudo-replacements, within the action, for the offices represented, and officially, through notice of action, the temporary true office holders.

As only a notification, the action in and of itself, is a self-replicating authority of its own.

Within the law are [the] confines and open-ended unconfined actions according to the content of the notification itself and its directed impacts. In basis, the notification is writing its own law as stated through the intent of the statement [of the declaration].

This allows for the creation of [an] entity, or condition, or both -- just as a corporation's bylaws define themselves into the law of binding actions within a corporation.

What you are looking for does not as such exist until the actionable notification is presented in factual form.



Differences between Notification and Declaration

There is a difference between notification and declaration.

What was done was a product of both, better defined as a declaration than a notification.

The declaration being the actionable, factual paperwork, where the process is defined as a notification with accepted receipt of delivery.

Look into how a new nation derives its legal basis for notification to the world of its status as an independent state.

This is exactly what was done.

In most cases a representative group of rebels states their freedom from their old government [through the declaration]. Note that it is usually a minority that does so. After the acceptance of the action through recognition by an already standing state, the fact is accepted. As the lawful process is backed by a majority, then a replacement ensues.

This goes to the recognition portion of this process. Our action precludes the recognition portion as it is a full separation or divorcement notification. Because the notification redefines the standing, through the content of the notification itself, the action steps outside the need for recognition. This allows for the pure action.

In effect, allowing several collateral actions within the facts that stand on their own. A multiple [of] results through a singular action -- without going into extraordinary detail and citation involving whole texts -- the above is the gist of the action.



How it is Effective in the Different Realms of ‘Law’

When looking into our actions, I strongly recommend [for you to find] the connective portions of basis in and of law offering the correlation of the several types of 'law'. There is a great deal of redefinition allowing for cross-reference and exception.

However, one should note that as any portion of one is used -- its collateral predecessor and precedent -- are offered as definitive parameters of use and definition. Thus the impacts of action in this usage/definition offers a wide diversity of basis.

The precedent is the derivation and refinement of law itself using all the basis from which it is defined from origin to present.

The reference should be contained in reference definition of international law as applied by civil authority. Add action and you have it.

Huh?

By the way, Mozart, I am a very experienced editor and I recognise rubbish when I read it!

But this whole Drake story is great entertainment value - better than TV!

But if enough folks believe it and this belief empowers enough folks to act - does "law" actually matter? Think about it.

[Chester]

Apologies to hammer on, but some of you have no idea what the ICJ or ICC is and what it is does and what you are saying makes no sense whatsoever.

When the subsequent shoes begin to fall (as it is put), the 90% take their (our) stand / rise up, all these questions regarding the details about the paperwork that went to the Hague and how it relates to whomever deems man made laws are superior to universal law will not matter. This point does not seem to get through - all that matters is that the 90% have all they need to take their actions, they are already ideologically on board.


Look at what Drake said (in one of my earlier posts). Now he is saying something else.

Nothing was filed with the Hague. (First something was and now it wasn't.) The notification and declaration was sent and there is proof that it was recieved. (A notification and declaration of what, and what is the proof that it was recieved?) That is all that was needed. (That is all that was needed for what?) There was no need to record anything in the Hague. (Why was there no need to record anything in The Hague, and if there was no need, which sounds like a lame cop-out when caught in a lie, then what was the purpose of sending anything there at all?) Drake has explained this many times.

Like all of us likely have done in our lifetime, Drake has sometimes stated what he has later clarified and even corrected. Give him a break. Could you do a better job than the one he has volunteered for and surely risks his life and the lives of his loved ones for? I, for one, thank him from my heart for all his efforts as well as I thank everyone else that has been proactive in trying to make this happen.

[aranuk]

Add something positive to the coming revolution instead of opposing the will of the saviours of USA.
Stan

I think you're missing the point, Stan.

I'm reading these legal queries in various posts as attempts to establish Drake's credibiliity to see if he really is, as you call him, the "saviour of the USA", because he's using a lot of legal-sounding language to stand up his case. It's only right, then, that what he is saying (and he does keep moving the goalposts and some of it does sound like total hogwash) should be examined carefully because if we are to abandon all laws, as you are suggesting, and be in a state of totally anarchy, we need to really sure of what we're doing and who we're following. So far, I'm not....


<SIGH>
I'm tired of all this talk and debate.
It's now time to sharpen up our pitchforks, load up the ammo, pack bags of wrist twisty-ties and GO AFTER THE EFF'N BASTARDS WITH THE FORCE AND POWER OF THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE.



Just exactly what we don't want ... mob rule with pitchforks...

Ishtar, you quote me as saying : as you call him, the "saviour of the USA" I never said such a thing my dear. You even got me in a quote box saying something entirely different. Dont put words into my mouth.

Stan

[aranuk]

It's now time to sharpen up our pitchforks, load up the ammo, pack bags of wrist twisty-ties and support our Oath-keeping county sheriffs, our Oath-keeping US Marshals and our Oath-keeping military to GO AFTER THE EFF'N BASTARDS WITH THE FORCE AND POWER OF THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE.



Hi Mozart, I felt exactly like that in my early awakening days, exactly. Upon first recognition of the lies and betrayel I was like "lock and f*****g load baby! This s**t ends here and now!"

Well, you know what mate? Do what you need to do, but I'm going to tell you that is a sure fire path to self destruction. It will consume you relentlessly until either you are physically dead, or there is nothing left of what used to be you.

To boot, you will have changed absolutely nothing, except exposing yourself to an energetic feeding frenzy by the very forces you wish to depose on your way out.

Like I saw a wise person (Wade Frazier) on this forum once say: "Love is the only way out".

Cheers,
Fred

Good to see you back Fred. When nasty people are either trying to put you and your family into FEMA camps or trying to silence your voice, sending them Love will not be a good defence at all. You may keep that for better times when you are in jail. At least it will stop you going mad. There is a time and place for everything methinks. Sometimes certain things are in the wrong time line or place. Protecting yourself from evil persuasion by standing in light and throwing out Love is a good way to protect oneself. But when evil is manifest in front of you with a machine gun, boy it's too late for that kind of defence.

Stan

[Chester]

Add something positive to the coming revolution instead of opposing the will of the saviours of USA.
Stan

I think you're missing the point, Stan.

I'm reading these legal queries in various posts as attempts to establish Drake's credibiliity to see if he really is, as you call him, the "saviour of the USA", because he's using a lot of legal-sounding language to stand up his case. It's only right, then, that what he is saying (and he does keep moving the goalposts and some of it does sound like total hogwash) should be examined carefully because if we are to abandon all laws, as you are suggesting, and be in a state of totally anarchy, we need to really sure of what we're doing and who we're following. So far, I'm not....


<SIGH>
I'm tired of all this talk and debate.
It's now time to sharpen up our pitchforks, load up the ammo, pack bags of wrist twisty-ties and GO AFTER THE EFF'N BASTARDS WITH THE FORCE AND POWER OF THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE.



Just exactly what we don't want ... mob rule with pitchforks...

I think Stan has it right.

Let me ask this – how many people here have doubts about the direction in which we, humanity, are all headed (if we are not mostly already there)? How close now is the chip in your head when Icke was telling us 15, 20 or so years ago it was the big goal and why? How close is the life depicted in 1984 when you consider where we were at 20, 30 years ago? Does anyone have any doubts left?

Is it possible that if the Plan goes forward and the BIG shoe actually falls that the problems we may endure would be any worse than this soon to be reality?

Once that chip is in you I can assure you that without some outside intervention, humanity on earth is done, over with, we are cooked. You wanna bet on some savior? This is no fundamentalist christian anything - its about our children and the world we are about to leave them and their children. Oh, and by the way, for the record, if I have to call myself anything, I am a witch but I prefer to be considered just one man - no labels beyond the basic one.

[aranuk]

Yes justoneman, I agree with ya bud. When we are all chipped, it's finished, over, kaput. Fussing and arguing about what was written on wee pieces of paper will not remove the chips. No Sir. We wont even be able to send love or light to anyone, that will be an impossibility. We surely must be behind Drake and the faithful military oathkeepers it's the least we can do to help. We have been complaining about certain evil policemen, military and politicians for years. Now we have the opportunity to side with the good ones at long last. Drake wants to liberate the people and some want to see what's written on wee bits of paper. C'mon C;mon as the song goes.

Stan

[DreamsInDigital]

Fussing and Arguing over "details" serves no better or higher purpose than to divide and weaken intentionally or otherwise. Forget the details, think outside the box and start looking at the big picture and where this High Speed Mag/Lev Train is Going, either you're on the train or you're not. And, I suggest you get your ass on it and we all unify and collectively work together towards pulling this train into the RIGHT station. The Earth is making change, and you're either going with her or not. Personally, I'm not fighting it, I'm enjoying the view and knocking off the potential robbers with my shot gun and stacks of ammo. Nothing and No one is stopping this train it's moving way to fast.

[Ishtar]

Add something positive to the coming revolution instead of opposing the will of the saviours of USA.
Stan

I think you're missing the point, Stan.

I'm reading these legal queries in various posts as attempts to establish Drake's credibiliity to see if he really is, as you call him, the "saviour of the USA", because he's using a lot of legal-sounding language to stand up his case. It's only right, then, that what he is saying (and he does keep moving the goalposts and some of it does sound like total hogwash) should be examined carefully because if we are to abandon all laws, as you are suggesting, and be in a state of totally anarchy, we need to really sure of what we're doing and who we're following. So far, I'm not....


<SIGH>
I'm tired of all this talk and debate.
It's now time to sharpen up our pitchforks, load up the ammo, pack bags of wrist twisty-ties and GO AFTER THE EFF'N BASTARDS WITH THE FORCE AND POWER OF THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE.



Just exactly what we don't want ... mob rule with pitchforks...

Ishtar, you quote me as saying : as you call him, the "saviour of the USA" I never said such a thing my dear. You even got me in a quote box saying something entirely different. Dont put words into my mouth.

Stan

So who did you mean by 'saviours of the USA' if you don't mean Drake & Co?

[aranuk]

You seem to be the only person that doesn't understand here. You wrongly quote me and now instead of appologising you come back at me with stupid questions now. saviours is plural, you know what that means don't you? Do you wish to go further here?
You can work it out I'm sure.

Stan

[Ishtar]

Oh I see, I've made a few valid points and because you can't or won't address those, you're nitpicking on a tiny, irrelevant detail.

Well, I don't want to play...

[aranuk]

Thank God!

[thunder24]

Thank God!

which one?

[aranuk]

You choose

Stan

[Lost N Found]

Okay, I am just gonna jumb in here for a moment. Chips in the head? The mark of the Beast? First of all, our or is anyone going to let some psyco place anything in your body without you standing up for that God given freedom? Drake has stated that he still owns a gun and I happen to know alot of folks that have one of those. Not that this has much to do with much that is being said these days but folks will know when they have to stand. I am going to give you some words that were written by Pink floyd specifically Gilmour/Samson, The song is called "LOST FOR WORDS"

"I was spending my time in the doldrums
I was caught in a cauldron of hate
I felt persecuted and paralysed
I thought that everything else would just wait

While you are wasting your time on your enemies
engulfed in a fever of spite
Beyond your tunnel vision reality fades
Like shadows into the night

To martyr yourself to caution
Is not going to help at all
Because there'll be no safety in numbers
When the Right One walks out of the door

Can you see your days blighted by darkness?
Is it true you beat your fists on the floor?
Stuck in a world of isolation
While the ivy grows over the door

So I open my door to my enemies
And I ask could we wipe the slate clean
But they tell me to please go **** myself
You know you just can't win

So to say that Drake or anyone else needs to be vetted is surely within anyones right and we all do need to do our own research but I ask this question, Are we all just beating are fists against the floor?

I totally appreciate the discourse I read on this site. There are some very informative discussions and we all our headed to one place. So to all, Please keep doing what you do

Thank you


Love transcends all

[YvonneG]

BREAKING NEWS ?--PLEASE POST ON ANOTHER THREAD if you all want, because I stil can't :-)

Dutch government collapses over debt woes
http://www.usatoday.com/money/story/2012-04-23/dutch-government-collapse/54483476/1

[crosby]

BREAKING NEWS ?--PLEASE POST ON ANOTHER THREAD if you all want, because I stil can't :-)

Dutch government collapses over debt woes
http://www.usatoday.com/money/story/2012-04-23/dutch-government-collapse/54483476/1

WOW...... YvonneG, wth is going on? great find.
regards, corson

just looked at Sabrina's thread, it's there.

[Chester]

The list of the saviors of humanity (I am not speaking for Stan)

Let's clarify what we mean by savior first - I am talking about those who would partake in thwarting the plans of the NWO to control the rest of humanity and intend to place us in an irreversible position - being chipped at the top of the list.

So who would be these saviors?

If we avoid the NWO agenda's goals, then we must first place humanity (collectively) under this definition of 'savior' as I believe the collective consciousness and collective will determines our experience.

The 100th monkey (and the first 99) can be placed in the savior camp; assuming that we are all souls on individual soul journeys. Perhaps the soul has its choice for one of two destinations, soul evolution (an eternal journey) or soul destruction (finite). We can see there's no future in soul destruction so perhaps creation provides a mechanism such that when we collectively choose soul evolution the 100th monkey makes a difference. Thus those making up this 100 monkey group could be seen as saviors.

Those who "got off their couch" as the Drake expression goes (and this includes folks like Drake) could be called saviors.

The folks who are in a position to be proactive (the 90%) - especially when the BIG shoes start to drop - this is the military, the marshals, the sheriffs and the similar folk in other lands that may have other titles.

The ETs/EDs that heard our call and deemed enough of us honestly want a positive change and have come to assist (I believe they are here and assisting).

Those who take the time (no matter what views they have) to join forums like this and read what folks have to say and offer their views as well - no doubt they are concerned (save for shills) for their families and loved ones and have taken the time to improve their knowledge and assist others in sharing their views. I would bet that most of us who are here also share our views to those we encounter in our lives. Even if we are not right about everything much less much of anything, we get others to think and believe me, when the BIG shoes begin to drop, our family, friends and others will be much more prepared to listen to those who are better informed like us. What would they listen to? It does not have to be anything more than our own experience and what we believe we have learned on the way - like they do it in Alcoholics Anonymous - where they simply share their experience, strength and hope. No more is needed.

And then lastly, all the rest of humanity that responds.

Ultimately though, the view will be that there were no saviors. How is that? Eventually, those who choose soul evolution instead of soul destruction will find themselves in an existence sans victims and the idea of savior will no longer be a concept we can understand... haha Some might suggest this is 6D and up.

justoneperson that is in a male body

[GlassSteagallfan]

On April 10th, Wide Awake News interviewed Drake. Drake stated that the event timeline was 30-45 days, roughly the end of May. If we are still talking about this at the end of May....

"ANOTHER CHARLES!!!"

[modwiz]

You seem to be the only person that doesn't understand here. You wrongly quote me and now instead of appologising you come back at me with stupid questions now. saviours is plural, you know what that means don't you? Do you wish to go further here?
You can work it out I'm sure.

Stan

I am glad to see sanity and good taste prevail. You go, Stan.

As I've said before, saviors have always been the drivers of history. We call them heroes. They are the ones who manage to get a few of us off of the couch and move progress forward. Most of humanity have always been observers.

It is ok, you can only have a few people charting a course anyway. Very few are possessed of true vision and the talents it takes to make things happen. The rest can just do their best to not get in the way if they cannot figure out how to be of assistance.

Some of history's giants are not the nicest of people. Getting the real story on them is always a challenge. History as recent as WWll is still trying to come out of the dark as far as details go.

We can only hope that the internet has allowed us to communicate, like Brzezinski says, in ways never before possible in history and making this turning point a more participatory one than has been the case in the past.

[YvonneG]

Apologies to hammer on, but some of you have no idea what the ICJ or ICC is and what it is does and what you are saying makes no sense whatsoever.

When the subsequent shoes begin to fall (as it is put), the 90% take their (our) stand / rise up, all these questions regarding the details about the paperwork that went to the Hague and how it relates to whomever deems man made laws are superior to universal law will not matter. This point does not seem to get through - all that matters is that the 90% have all they need to take their actions, they are already ideologically on board.


Look at what Drake said (in one of my earlier posts). Now he is saying something else.

Nothing was filed with the Hague. (First something was and now it wasn't.) The notification and declaration was sent and there is proof that it was recieved. (A notification and declaration of what, and what is the proof that it was recieved?) That is all that was needed. (That is all that was needed for what?) There was no need to record anything in the Hague. (Why was there no need to record anything in The Hague, and if there was no need, which sounds like a lame cop-out when caught in a lie, then what was the purpose of sending anything there at all?) Drake has explained this many times.

Like all of us likely have done in our lifetime, Drake has sometimes stated what he has later clarified and even corrected. Give him a break. Could you do a better job than the one he has volunteered for and surely risks his life and the lives of his loved ones for? I, for one, thank him from my heart for all his efforts as well as I thank everyone else that has been proactive in trying to make this happen.

Very nicely put. I think you about sum up my sentiments here. Yesterday when freedom reigns' webmaster had an emergency and could not announce show on time on the site, the person who responds to people usually, who is now a friend, said people were sending her very angry emails...she was quite upset. I ddin't ask. There is a venom that we all seem to have when we communicate at times, demanding this or that.

I include myself in that...he who has no sins let him caste the first stone. I wonder how in the world we are going to organize locally, which is really the main thing we should be focusing on...like the County project education calls by Anita at freedom reigns? She has been working in her county for 7 years doing amazing stuff, which we all need to do.

I trust that when it is all said and done that if it goes as Drake has said, then all of this might be put to rest, and that those who so do not believe it, are still preparing!

[KiwiElf]

BREAKING NEWS ?--PLEASE POST ON ANOTHER THREAD if you all want, because I stil can't :-)

Dutch government collapses over debt woes
http://www.usatoday.com/money/story/2012-04-23/dutch-government-collapse/54483476/1

WOW...... YvonneG, wth is going on? great find.
regards, corson

just looked at Sabrina's thread, it's there.

Also now playing on MSM - SKY/BBC News. "Dutch Prime Minister has resigned due to austerity measures"

[KiwiElf]

Timing:

Future plans, regardless of how WELL they are planned, rarely go exactly according to plan. The longer the duration, the more difficult it is to carry out "to a schedule". I think we all need to remember this. ;)

I'm also looking at the overall global timing and tie-in with these events to MANY supposed & Prophesised events: Nostradamus, Religious, Mayan etc.

Drake aside, the inertia of this "movement" - for lack of a better word ;), are ALL converging to a point in the near future (not necessarily 21 Dec 2012).

I've stuck up a post here - please keep an open mind, I did not write it. But it "Fits". I'd be very keen to overlay the Mayan Calendar to it if someone knows how?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44165-STAR-TREK-the-Harmonic-Wave-Template

[Alie]

Talk Talk Talk Talk Talk .... We are "remote viewing" here. Some of us believe that we're seeing reality unfold. Others think it's smoke and mirrors. But like Stan said ... "I believe Drake when he said that all the paperwork had been put in place and that had satisfied the Pentagon people. Who am I to argue with them?"

Who am I -Alie- to know better? No, I don't know anything, I'm just hopeful. There are just too many millions of lies and dirt and deceit to be able to decipher what the truth is. So, I'm vetting Drake all by myself --- by watching the ones around him respond to him, promote the message, ask questions, listen to answers, etc. But still I won't know for sure until 1st of June.

So, IMHO, the better question is ... have we found a way to get rid of a several thousand year oppressive, controlling force that we, as individuals, can take on?

It seems the positive of us are excited and enjoying this unfolding and the ones that don't believe (which is totally fine) are certainly welcome to push and prod me off my focus IF THE MOTIVE IS THAT YOU CARE ABOUT ME AND DON"T WANT ME TO BE HURT. To you, I thank you for being a devil's advocate so I can fine tune my thoughts.

[crosby]

i do not want to make trouble, but i am listening to a mel fabregas interview with Dr. John Coleman regarding Tavistock. Towards the end he speaks about sovereignty of the United States...... all 50 states have their sovereignty from what he states. all 50 states are considered 50 individual countries. it is very interesting. i have posted the video if you would like to listen.

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regards, corson

[bekrah]

There seems to be a lot of distraction here about laws and wording of laws. When tyrrany is upon the land and the people are being abused, and their freedom taken away from them "legally" who gives a stuff about their laws? If policemen are dragging you and your loved ones into a fema camp, do you ask them for proof of the law? They will show you it is written in the NDAA. After the bastards are rounded up we the citizens can make our own laws. Absolutely correct. Drakes speaks about Common Law being used. Why not? Fascist dictatorships make laws to keep themselves in power and to restrict the freedom of the people. Why all these questions about seeing proof of receipt from the Hague? If you people who are so uptight about a legal or lawful reason for this big clean up were true to your colours, why were you not publicly protesting before the NDAA thing was signed by Obama? If you use your seemingly understanding of law more wisely you could be giving your senator a hard ****ing time instead of Drake. Add something positive to the coming revolution instead of opposing the will of the saviours of USA.


Stan

I could be interpreting everything I have heard from the interviews wrong here. But it's my understanding that the notification gives the military the citizen backing it needs to authorize the arrests of the bad guys. The military/pentagon people who had "the plan" in place were waiting for something to give them the authority to do this. So wouldn't conformation of this paperwork that allows the process to happen be important?

Also:
That's not to say I don't agree with you, there comes a point when you say "To hell with the laws, go with your heart." I just wanted to add that quick. I would also like to add that I'm not trying to be contrary to anyone's views, and I'm not trying to dis-credit Drake. I remain optimistic that something is going down, there have been a lot of interesting happenings lately. The reason I ask to see if there is record of the notification is because like most of you here, I'm trying to convince my friends and family that this is happening. It would be a HECK of a lot easier if I could at least show them that. That's all. Thanks everyone for sharing, and being patient with my posts that might come of as a bit ignorant at times. I'm still learning about these things. Much love and respect. :)

[frozen alchemy]

So... :pop2:

Has anyone heard anything about the 'big orb on a coastline' we were promised by Tolec more than a week ago now?

And is 'collapsing a government' as easy as getting the prime minister to resign? I don't think so. Surely there's someone just under the PM that takes over in such cases and the government continues...

[the_vast_mystery]

Talk Talk Talk Talk Talk .... We are "remote viewing" here. Some of us believe that we're seeing reality unfold. Others think it's smoke and mirrors. But like Stan said ... "I believe Drake when he said that all the paperwork had been put in place and that had satisfied the Pentagon people. Who am I to argue with them?"

Who am I -Alie- to know better? No, I don't know anything, I'm just hopeful. There are just too many millions of lies and dirt and deceit to be able to decipher what the truth is. So, I'm vetting Drake all by myself --- by watching the ones around him respond to him, promote the message, ask questions, listen to answers, etc. But still I won't know for sure until 1st of June.

So, IMHO, the better question is ... have we found a way to get rid of a several thousand year oppressive, controlling force that we, as individuals, can take on?

It seems the positive of us are excited and enjoying this unfolding and the ones that don't believe (which is totally fine) are certainly welcome to push and prod me off my focus IF THE MOTIVE IS THAT YOU CARE ABOUT ME AND DON"T WANT ME TO BE HURT. To you, I thank you for being a devil's advocate so I can fine tune my thoughts.

The problem is if drake is 100% serious about what he's doing then the factual innacuracies are a dead giveaway something's up. Although it seems some other posters here are having a very similar idea to my own. In that I think this entire drake situation was DIRECTLY CREATED to finally drive people into action. Noticed a lot of people talking about how for instance they were in Oath Keepers and had never heard anything about this...and yet, now Oath Keepers as an organization are aware of the possibility. It seems like this entire thing is someone trying to push us as a society over that last edge towards finally taking immediate, direct action to remove people from power.

Of course, the real question becomes just how much organization and actual, legally admissible documentation can be counted upon by someone like this? I mean, on one hand the factual innacuracies could be an intentional double-bluff to make people think they don't exist but on the other for someone to supposedly be aiming to get people off of their couches, they'd have a much better time doing it by releasing some of this legally-admissible and apparently "Damning" evidence. Something has to go, I think everyone can agree here. There's room for compassion, and prudence but love alone is useless against sociopaths with guns. The people who can't be reasoned with, bullied or bargained with; talk passive resistance all you want these are people who will ship you off to jail on made up charges and re-assign your children to specially chosen homes so they grow up hating you. You cannot defeat someone willing to go to the lowest of violent depravities with "peace and love" you need some armed backup lest you get eaten alive (hopefully not literally! ;p). Meditation, wishing, praying, hoping, etc. is only good as a prelude to direct action of some kind.

Maybe this should be a call to all of these websites that we really ought to consider forming some sort of community outreach groups towards restoring or own sovereignty? I think it's reflecting a general trend at least from what I've been reading lately. It could be that was the actual point of this "mass arrest" meme, to try and exploit the internet to turn an idea into an event entirely through the power of belief in our minds. If we all believe it's going to happen, prepare for it, and enough people keep doing the same it might just "trigger" some sort of situation that might finally send the whole status quo tumbling down. That doesn't mean that it'll happen today, tomorrow, or even eight years from now. But after I really went back over what Drake was saying, I'm convinced he and DW mean well, but what this really probably is? An honest to goodness trick, not to "con" us, but to get us up off of our couches into doing something so that one day we might have enough numbers to actually take direct action as a group and intervene for our own interests for a change. So right now, I guess it's up to us to spend the time and effort building that "whole" up, if we really do want this oft-talked about "Freedom" and are willing to put in the blood, sweat, tears and dollar signs needed to make it happen.

[modwiz]

There seems to be a lot of distraction here about laws and wording of laws. When tyrrany is upon the land and the people are being abused, and their freedom taken away from them "legally" who gives a stuff about their laws? If policemen are dragging you and your loved ones into a fema camp, do you ask them for proof of the law? They will show you it is written in the NDAA. After the bastards are rounded up we the citizens can make our own laws. Absolutely correct. Drakes speaks about Common Law being used. Why not? Fascist dictatorships make laws to keep themselves in power and to restrict the freedom of the people. Why all these questions about seeing proof of receipt from the Hague? If you people who are so uptight about a legal or lawful reason for this big clean up were true to your colours, why were you not publicly protesting before the NDAA thing was signed by Obama? If you use your seemingly understanding of law more wisely you could be giving your senator a hard ****ing time instead of Drake. Add something positive to the coming revolution instead of opposing the will of the saviours of USA.


Stan

I could be interpreting everything I have heard from the interviews wrong here. But it's my understanding that the notification gives the military the citizen backing it needs to authorize the arrests of the bad guys. The military/pentagon people who had "the plan" in place were waiting for something to give them the authority to do this. So wouldn't conformation of this paperwork that allows the process to happen be important?

Also:
That's not to say I don't agree with you, there comes a point when you say "To hell with the laws, go with your heart." I just wanted to add that quick. I would also like to add that I'm not trying to be contrary to anyone's views, and I'm not trying to dis-credit Drake. I remain optimistic that something is going down, there have been a lot of interesting happenings lately. The reason I ask to see if there is record of the notification is because like most of you here, I'm trying to convince my friends and family that this is happening. It would be a HECK of a lot easier if I could at least show them that. That's all. Thanks everyone for sharing, and being patient with my posts that might come of as a bit ignorant at times. I'm still learning about these things. Much love and respect. :)

My best advice with family and friends. Tell them all they will sit still for and hear. Plant the seeds, you are now the go to person for all things strange. Wait for things to start. They will be yours. Until then, it is all talk.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


So... :pop2:

Has anyone heard anything about the 'big orb on a coastline' we were promised by Tolec more than a week ago now?


They blew it up last night and called it a meteor.

[modwiz]

The problem is if drake is 100% serious about what he's doing then the factual innacuracies are a dead giveaway something's up

With regards to inaccuracies, and I hope this applies.

I am sure quite a bit of detail went into planning D-Day. I am also sure quite a bit of on the ground realities led to last minute changes before the launch. We know once it launched many things changed, by the minute and hour. We are about to be in some sort of battle, because the elite will not go quietly and have orcs in their employ.

Most dinner parties have some glitches. Looking to our own preparations and having an idea to what we can contribute makes us partners in this effort.

Everything else is neurosis and enjoying our own voices. This is a real lesson in centering ourselves and showing what we are capable of. I do believe the galaxy is watching.............and listening.

[aranuk]

I agree Modwiz. What is an "orcs"?

Stan

PS I thought I might quote from Robert Burns our Scottish bard.
The best laid plans o' mice and men gang aft astray.

[aranuk]

And just for you Canadians here my second best poet is Robert Servce.

Stan

[KiwiElf]

So... :pop2:

Has anyone heard anything about the 'big orb on a coastline' we were promised by Tolec more than a week ago now?

And is 'collapsing a government' as easy as getting the prime minister to resign? I don't think so. Surely there's someone just under the PM that takes over in such cases and the government continues...

Sorry frozen alchemy - I do not know where you are, but if it's Nevada/California Coastline then this post may be relevant. Otherwise prob not ;)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44170-Meteor-impact-at-Northern-Neveda

If you are referring to the Dutch situation, the sharemarkets are now beginning to fall as I post... "Keep an eye on the Money" - and I have no idea how far this domino will fall.
It may or may not have anything to do with a "large event" that Drake said would happen around Monday thereabouts... TODAY ;)

EDIT: 15:26 LT - And now the Russian Sharemarket...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44211-Russian-Stock-Market-closes......INDEFINITELY

[modwiz]

I agree Modwiz. What is an "orcs"?

Stan

PS I thought I might quote from Robert Burns our Scottish bard.
The best laid plans o' mice and men gang aft astray.

Orcs are the gobliny/trollish things from the lord of the rings books.

[Dennis Leahy]

I agree Modwiz. What is an "orcs"?

Stan
An "orc (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orc)" (from the Lord Of The Rings trilogy) is a nasty, powerful, mercenary creature used by the dark forces. More than one orc would be the plural, "orcs."

Dennis
{edit} oh I was too slow answering!

[KiwiElf]

I agree Modwiz. What is an "orcs"?

Stan
An "orc (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orc)" (from the Lord Of The Rings trilogy) is a nasty, powerful, mercenary creature used by the dark forces. More than one orc would be the plural, "orcs."

Dennis
{edit} oh I was too slow answering!


Oi! Elves are related .. to Orcs... I think ... dunno.. Oim frum Nuw Zealund & its true... maaaaate! Kiwis eat fush'n chups! :P

... Sorry :) EDIT: I was Off topic heh... gotcha!

[the_vast_mystery]

The problem is if drake is 100% serious about what he's doing then the factual innacuracies are a dead giveaway something's up

With regards to inaccuracies, and I hope this applies.

I am sure quite a bit of detail went into planning D-Day. I am also sure quite a bit of on the ground realities led to last minute changes before the launch. We know once it launched many things changed, by the minute and hour. We are about to be in some sort of battle, because the elite will not go quietly and have orcs in their employ.

Most dinner parties have some glitches. Looking to our own preparations and having an idea to what we can contribute makes us partners in this effort.

Everything else is neurosis and enjoying our own voices. This is a real lesson in centering ourselves and showing what we are capable of. I do believe the galaxy is watching.............and listening.

There's a difference between planning an attack, which deals with physical/mental realities on the ground. You might need to move locations, deal with supply problems, morale, etc. All of these are tangibly defined things that is reasonable to expect change upon. (Which could excuse things such as tactics/dates being changed, that said...) Going on a radio station to begin doing PR, and then directly getting the facts wrong ON the air, multiple times regarding the most important part of the entire event (The legal basis and evidence for the legal basis for this act)? To use your dinner party metaphor that would be a mistake akin to me replacing the usual setting with a chainsaw, a paintbrush and a pair of tweezers, after being informed that I had assigned my guests home-improvement tools as utensils responding that I didn't think dinner parties needed things like "Silverware" to work because it doesn't matter what utensils you use to eat with so long as you have utensils. Can we perhaps see why there is a very direct and distinct problem in someone claiming to be all about promoting awareness for a "lawful mass arrest" event when they can't even properly enunciate the legal basis and locations of their filings and evidence which give proper lawful cause to do this?

There really are only two options here. 1: He doesn't know what he's talking about at all, or 2: He's putting out disinformation. Now, that being said there's a certain irony here in that the disinformation could be part of an intentional double-bluff. The Financial Tyranny piece by David Wilcock had said that the original bonds involved in the supposed lawsuit ongoing against the Federal Reserve were printed with deliberate spelling errors so they could not be redeemed. This could also mean that the entire situation we have right now with Drake's releases are being intentionally written so that he can go out in public and say what he does, while not becoming a target of violence. Using the enemy's tactics against them.

If people think you're just some hick who loves the 50s and doesn't know the first thing about law or where to send paperwork to then the powers that be would probably just write you off as a lone nut and never give you a second thought. Putting out a contrary image as a smoke screen since as most people can already tell by this point in the thread, no amount of pointing out the factual innacuracies in Drake's PR has changed anyone's opinions so much about the inevitability of the actual event.

This would allow for the "spirit" of the message about oncoming mass arrests to be transmitted without jeopardizing any possible actual legal basis for those arrests. Making it a perfect play, if it's real. You'd keep your real hand hidden as far as members, operations, resources and evidence while being able to quickly spread public awareness prior and all with those about to be arrested none the wiser thinking it was just some crazy person.

Still, this all hinges on the event actually occurring. I try to look at all of the possibilities, I want this to happen but more than anything, but it's exactly because I want it so bad that I'm so critical about it. Nobody wants to be duped, eheh. ^_^;;

[UnrealDreams]

I have heard Drake's message. I'm not sure what to think of his message. The only thing I know for sure is that I am not going to be holding my breath for anyone to "save us" from a cartel that has control over nearly every major government in the entire world. The task at hand is akin to going out in your row boat to stop a cat.5 hurricane.

Mother nature will take care of this plague on mankind(the cartel). She is the only one quite frankly that is capable of completing the cleansing....in my opinion.

[bekrah]

I just wanted to pop in and let everyone know I got a response back from freedomreigns regarding the last email I sent. I'll just copy and paste everything here.

Email from me:

"I would like to know if there is evidence for the paperwork sent to the Hague on the internet. If this is a notification, shouldn't there be a paper-trail somewhere? Considering this whole thing is hinging on the states declaring their sovereignty I would like to be able to confirm that this notification has taken place.

Can you provide us with evidence that this has occurred? I very much want to believe what you are saying, but I also believe in the concept of "Trust but verify." I have not been able to find any evidence of this at the Hague website, and that throws up some red flags for me, as well as many other people who are avid listeners to your interviews. Is this something that is in the public arena yet, if not when will it be available for people to see?"

Response from FreedomReigns

"Thank you for your email. Of course there is a papertrail. We will release the paperwork (filed at the International Court of Justice, Law Department, not the "Hague" but in the same building) on the internet as soon as we get the green light from the people who risked their lives to get this done for all of us. You won't find the proof anywhere because the current corporate government does not want you to have proof that you are free. There are people at the ICJ whose job is specifically to interfere with the notification process and they have no limits on how they accomplish this."

Well, at this point all I can do is wait it out and see what happens. I'm still going to stay optimistic about it, and tell as many people as I can, there's a lot of strange stuff going on that I can't dismiss. I think I will also stock up on popcorn...and toilet paper. ;)

[KiwiElf]

A simple rhetorical question: Do you think the real plan will be revealed in any public forum - including this one - for all to see? ;)

[Blueskywalking]

John Kettler has chimed in on the "Drake material" on his blog.
Bottom line - his ET/ED sources confirm the Plan - his ground Intel sources don't seem to be entirely in the loop...
http://johnkettler.com/etseds-spooks-drake-and-the-plan/


ETs/EDs Involved In The “Plan” “Drake’s” Talking About–Paying Off A Karmic Debt

ETs/EDs who owe humankind a great karmic debt are apparently an integral part of “The Plan” being publicly discussed by “Drake” and widely reported on the Internet.
ETs/EDs’ involvement may explain how the security lid has been kept on–for decades–on a secret supposedly now known by 90% percent of the Pentagon officers, yet unknown to the writer’s highly cleared contacts.

After reading the “Drake” interview with David Wilcock, though, one did opine “It seems like a reasonable approach.”
The contacts aren’t necessarily buying the scenario; it strains both credulity and brains.
Granted, the nature of the military mind is to have contingency plans for everything, but knowing that a five inch thick binder holding an operational plan to save the country was already in existence in ~1979 and has been expanded since, yet not leaked in the three decades plus makes the head hurt, given the ever growing numbers who know it exists/plan to use it.
Hiding something of this magnitude from old pros in intelligence and veteran field operatives “would take a lot of work,” in their opinion.
Somebody’s lying here somewhere! But the ETs/EDs are in the loop, to the point they’re mystified sensitive terrestrial contacts don’t know.
A brief telepathic discussion with the ETs/EDs confirmed that whoppers are indeed being told.
ETs/EDs Confirm Involvement With & Protection For “The Plan”

ETs/EDs and ground units are protecting “Drake,” whose frenetic networking activities would seem to make him the world’s easiest surveillance/assassination target.
Should that protection fail, the ETs/EDs have said that if he’s killed, “Pearl Harbor” files will be released which will destroy the NWO (New World Order) Cabal, but either way, the Cabal is “screwed” and doomed to destruction.
Should any Cabal members attempt to flee once the planned major arrests begin, the ETs/EDs can and will blow their planes and helicopters out of the sky and vessels out of the water.
As was plainly stated before: “Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide!” The ETs/EDs are also well aware that Bahama Island is a planned Cabal refuge and have big plans for it.
Ruinous ones! The ETs/EDs know of similar hidey holes elsewhere, too.
ETs/EDs & the “Plan” Vs. The Disruptors

The other thing that makes this whole “Drake” business so hard to swallow, even with the ETs/EDs involved, is this “tiny” problem:

“The World Order also rules by the principle of “1984″ — no groups of two or more people are allowed to gather unless the World Order has a representative present.
If you start a club of dandelion fanciers, the Order will send someone who will be quietly helpful, avoid taking the front position, and who will offer to pay the rent of a meeting place or the printing of the minutes. In more radical groups, the Order’s representative will be the first to suggest dynamiting a building, assassinating an official, or other violent action.”

Eustace Mullens, WORLD ORDER, p. 170 (Fair Use)

Theses “representatives” work ceaselessly to set people at each other’s throats, undermine plans and above all, torpedo any action which would undermine the NWO Cabal’s power, and well do the ETs/EDs know it. Since the writer’s personally talked to a former undercover cop who was in the front row of the organizing meeting for the radical SDS (Students for a Democratic Society) when “Let’s kill the pigs!” was chanted, and has been to meetings of the Granada Forum where government agents recorded license plates in the parking lot and were denounced before the speaker was introduced, the Mullens quote seems right on target. Given the ubiquitousness of surveillance, especially on the military, let alone commanders of powerful formations, how do you plot and scheme for decades and never once let an agent provocateur of the government somehow slip in? This is why sensitive contacts find the “Drake” scenario so hard to accept, not to mention counterintuitive. Who talks about such things? When you’ve operated in denied areas all over the world, you know how easy it is to penetrate even the most secure organizations, so why should this one be any different? The ETs/EDs disagree, pointing out a range of things which were successfully hidden, such as China’s gigantic underground missile complexes, their own bases here in the States and ETs/EDs‘ involvement with a bunch of countries down through history right to today.

[Unified Serenity]

At this point I think Drake should be arrested for indecent exposure! If you unzip your fly and just leave "it" hanging out for weeks, then it does not appear you are intending to actually relieve yourself, but are doing it for attention. I do not see how all this radio talk stuff about imminent arrests (story changed to one arrest at a time and no longer MASS arrests, interesting to see them change their long held plan ready to reveal to the unwashed masses) is having any affect but to cause a bunch of arguments and making the alternative community look as stupid as the mainstream says we are. Everyone, now put on your tin hats and don't worry about the man in the white jacket coming up behind you. [This is how regular folks see us]

The fact is that you do not tell what you are going to do when it comes to something game changing like this. You don't let the "enemy" get ready for you. You don't let them launch a counter campaign to stop you. You keep everything on the down low until you are ready to GO! Then, take over the airwaves, have your PR people all ready with news announcements, camera crews, and experts explaining what's going on as the population sees massive arrests. The people have not learned anything more about keeping calm than they did in the first interview with DW.

This whole operation is a psy op bent on counter intelligence that has many benefits. It keeps us busy yacking over it, it causes dissension, it notifies the watchers of the ptb of who they really need to keep an eye on, and by linking so much woo woo stuff to the interviews it keeps the less conspiracy minded folks who WON'T do their own research from believing anything said in our community. You do all realize, I hope, that DW and Drake look like absolute lunatics and whether they are right or not they have zero chance of reaching mainstream people and waking them up. So if the woo woo stuff is true I guess DW and Drake and all you who have preached it can say "I told ya so" but the real opportunity to reach people is lost by including that stuff. Drake seems to be very involved in the ancient Dragon bloodline stuff which is all about sovereignty. That is more interesting to talk about to me than this mass arrest stuff and aliens coming to rescue us mentality.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

A simple rhetorical question: Do you think the real plan will be revealed in any public forum - including this one - for all to see? ;)


Definitely not.

The public announcements are designed to locate chess pieces on the playing board, in preparation for the big game.

[KiwiElf]

May be wise to check this out then ...
Russian Stockmarket closed Indefinitely...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44211-Russian-Stock-Market-closes......INDEFINITELY&p=473989#post473989

[Alie]

A simple rhetorical question: Do you think the real plan will be revealed in any public forum - including this one - for all to see? ;)


Definitely not.

The public announcements are designed to locate chess pieces on the playing board, in preparation for the big game.

Pls forgive me --- I watch CSI (ha ha) but I really don't know what you mean. Do you mind helping me out?

[modwiz]

I agree Modwiz. What is an "orcs"?

Stan
An "orc (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orc)" (from the Lord Of The Rings trilogy) is a nasty, powerful, mercenary creature used by the dark forces. More than one orc would be the plural, "orcs."

Dennis
{edit} oh I was too slow answering!

You gave the better answer. IMO

[Ron Mauer Sr]

A simple rhetorical question: Do you think the real plan will be revealed in any public forum - including this one - for all to see? ;)


Definitely not.

The public announcements are designed to locate chess pieces on the playing board, in preparation for the big game.

Pls forgive me --- I watch CSI (ha ha) but I really don't know what you mean. Do you mind helping me out?


In the art of war deception, secrecy and surprise are very important tactics. Those on both sides of the freedom/slavery of planet earth are very smart, very clever. I expect both sides to initiate fake moves to test their worthy opponent. Leaking information is a tactic too valuable to waste. Study the opposition's reaction to leaked plans, which may or may not be actual. Learn how the opposition reacts. Attack from the shadows when possible to surprise the opponent.

After we win, and our opponents have lost their power, they will be much easier to love.

[Endity]

Like 9 days ago he talked about in 2-3 days the fed would have something serious happen and people would hear about it. WHAT EVER HAPPENED? I can't find anything that supports his claim and its well over the time limit he gave. HALP ME SEE THE LIGHT PEOPLE!!!

[KiwiElf]

Like 9 days ago he talked about in 2-3 days the fed would have something serious happen and people would hear about it. WHAT EVER HAPPENED? I can't find anything that supports his claim and its well over the time limit he gave. HALP ME SEE THE LIGHT PEOPLE!!!


Scroll back a few pages re "Dutch Government collapses" or words to that effect... ;)

[the_vast_mystery]

Like 9 days ago he talked about in 2-3 days the fed would have something serious happen and people would hear about it. WHAT EVER HAPPENED? I can't find anything that supports his claim and its well over the time limit he gave. HALP ME SEE THE LIGHT PEOPLE!!!

That was supposedly the liens that David Wilcock reported, although the funny thing about that is that we don't have any court documents regarding those specifically although someone did post links (in the comments) to case documents Neil Keenan is involved in the District of New York if I remember right that are related to the ongoing Dragon Family case. It could be, just very possibly, that there is some substance in here somewhere. But we won't know the full story until later.

[modwiz]

While many of us are checking for signs of the "Plan" from news sources I'd like to share this little snippet from 1880 that I picked up from VT:


It isn’t a new phenomenon. This Man Who Came to Dinner as far back as 1880, had an interesting opinion about the American Press Corps, which pretty much leads the western media if not the World. John Swinton, the doyen of the New York press corps, upon his retirement , made the following speech:
“There is no such thing, at this stage of the world’s history in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.
There is not one of you who dare write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print.
I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with.
Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any, of you who would be foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job.
If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my papers, before twenty four hours, my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting of an independent press?
We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men.
We are intellectual prostitutes.”

[KiwiElf]

While many of us are checking for signs of the "Plan" from news sources I'd like to share this little snippet from 1880 that I picked up from VT:


It isn’t a new phenomenon. This Man Who Came to Dinner as far back as 1880, had an interesting opinion about the American Press Corps, which pretty much leads the western media if not the World. John Swinton, the doyen of the New York press corps, upon his retirement , made the following speech:
“There is no such thing, at this stage of the world’s history in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.
There is not one of you who dare write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print.
I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with.
Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any, of you who would be foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job.
If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my papers, before twenty four hours, my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting of an independent press?
We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men.
We are intellectual prostitutes.”

Perfect timing/synchronicity Moddy! ;)
Look whats going down RIGHT NOW with Mr Murdoch... weeding out crooked British MP's... heh :)

[KiwiElf]

A simple rhetorical question: Do you think the real plan will be revealed in any public forum - including this one - for all to see? ;)

Regardless of whether Drake is the real deal or not, we are being moved like "Chess pieces" - it is still too soon to know - a key is what he [Drake] said about Avatar (the movie)... then went on to talk about the life force connection with every living thing... the Earth itself is a conscious "entity", HAARP etc etc. If you missed it, it's very interesting stuff. ;)

And regardless of which extreme scenario is more "real" will be only partly revealed, but not necessarily untrue. We are just the "chess pieces", from a certain point of view.

As a very wise person once said;

"Take care of the BIG problems... the little problems will take care of themselves..."

"Question EVERY-thing, KEEP what's valid."

BEee HaAPPPPYYYY!!!!:whoo:

[Chester]

Mother nature will take care of this plague on mankind(the cartel). She is the only one quite frankly that is capable of completing the cleansing....in my opinion.

Within the vast realm of mother nature are her children. Some of those children may be awakened Terrans and another group of those children could be off world cousins who heard our call and believed we were serious. It is that simple combination of these two groups that have created the opportunity in which a Drake has been enlisted. His role was created by the planners. The opportunity has been created by the entry of the ET/ED wild card. This may just be mother nature's form of taking care of this plague. Let's be ready to help the less informed when it happens.

[Chester]

Like 9 days ago he talked about in 2-3 days the fed would have something serious happen and people would hear about it. WHAT EVER HAPPENED? I can't find anything that supports his claim and its well over the time limit he gave. HALP ME SEE THE LIGHT PEOPLE!!!

This was addressed in yesterday's broadcast - the time frame was extended to early this week... that was after the Fed Liens announcement - he referred to another "shoe to drop" perhaps the problems with the Dutch and now the Russian stock exchange may be part of this next shoe - my next post has some thoughts on this.

[DreamsInDigital]

Time is extremely fluid right now, trying to hold on to any specific dates or time frames causes unnecessary problems and stress.

[modwiz]

I have heard Drake's message. I'm not sure what to think of his message. The only thing I know for sure is that I am not going to be holding my breath for anyone to "save us" from a cartel that has control over nearly every major government in the entire world. The task at hand is akin to going out in your row boat to stop a cat.5 hurricane.

Mother nature will take care of this plague on mankind(the cartel). She is the only one quite frankly that is capable of completing the cleansing....in my opinion.

I agree, but to minimize collateral damage, us, she needs our help. Convulsing the planet is an inexact means of cleansing and we would end up as we have in the past when these things happened and had to start almost from primitive beginnings. Our help will allow us to keep our progress while we clean the planet up.

[modwiz]

Time is extremely fluid right now, trying to hold on to any specific dates or time frames causes unnecessary problems and stress.

I like that. It is the black magicians who get all kerfuffled about dates and things. It is better to launch a ship on the outgoing tide, but with sufficient people power, it is not a make or break situation. Also, bandying about dates is just dumb. Especially living in a goldfish bowl.

I have more thoughts on this, but believe it is better to hold certain things close to the chest.

Loose lips can sink ships.

[Dennis Leahy]

...After we win, and our opponents have lost their power, they will be much easier to love. Now that is an amazing and wise statement. Even if someone among us is full of hatred for them (maybe even especially if someone is full of hatred), this is powerful metaphysical advice (not to create, harbor, or dispense hatred - just love.)

I hope I can follow it, when I get the chance to test myself.

Dennis

[Chester]

The collapse of the Dutch government. All this is - is that the government was unable to agree on a budget and they did not see any possibility any agreement could be reached so they submitted their resignation. The US many times has operated without coming to any budget agreement - giving itself extensions, etc. I am sure that they won't shut down all governmental based activities but it is a sign that people are beginning to draw lines. Apparently the Netherlands could not meet an austerity goal set by the EU which ironically they were one of the largest supporters in implementing the goal as an EU standard in the first place.

What makes the Netherlands interesting is their monarchy is quite powerful. Insiders I know state the Queen of Holland (Queen Beatrix) to be the actual wealthiest woman on earth but her assets are hard to trace as they are all buried in massive structures - many of them offshore. Also, we are well aware of the power of that bloodline and it has been reported that her son, Prince William, assists in the coordination of chem trail spraying.

In would say that trouble with Greece is one thing, but if the problem arising in Holland gets bigger, this would accelerate the collapse of the EU. Remember, the UK and France are on shaky ground so things could move quickly unless Holland does some rapid damage control.

[TargeT]

i do not want to make trouble, but i am listening to a mel fabregas interview with Dr. John Coleman regarding Tavistock. Towards the end he speaks about sovereignty of the United States...... all 50 states have their sovereignty from what he states. all 50 states are considered 50 individual countries. it is very interesting. i have posted the video if you would like to listen.

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regards, corson

This may be technically true, in actuality it is not...

A couple of examples:

State DOT's get tons of money from the federal government, so much so that they are close to not being ( or are completely lacking the ability to be ) independently able to function with out that "support".

Many agencies work this way at a state level, it's a wide spread problem & a direct affront to the 10th amendment....

The worst (and most extreme) example is the state national guards, they are completely funded by the federal government & are so closely tied to it that they would barely function ( or not function at all) with out the federal governments support.

So if the states own "protective forces" are this deeply compromised; how sovereign do you think they truly are?

[bekrah]

Time is extremely fluid right now, trying to hold on to any specific dates or time frames causes unnecessary problems and stress.

Thanks for posting that, I needed the reminder, it helps. :)

[KiwiElf]

...a key is what he [Drake] said about Avatar (the movie)... then went on to talk about the life force connection with every living thing... the Earth itself is a conscious "entity", HAARP etc etc. If you missed it, it's very interesting stuff. ;)

While we await the next instalment ;)... I found this doco to be relevant background to my earlier post... enjoy!

"Hidden Human History"

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[bekrah]

...a key is what he [Drake] said about Avatar (the movie)... then went on to talk about the life force connection with every living thing... the Earth itself is a conscious "entity", HAARP etc etc. If you missed it, it's very interesting stuff. ;)

While we await the next instalment ;)... I found this doco to be relevant background to my earlier post... enjoy!

"Hidden Human History"

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I like spirit science, they post some interesting stuff.

[Cjay]

I have heard Drake's message. I'm not sure what to think of his message. The only thing I know for sure is that I am not going to be holding my breath for anyone to "save us" from a cartel that has control over nearly every major government in the entire world. The task at hand is akin to going out in your row boat to stop a cat.5 hurricane.

Mother nature will take care of this plague on mankind(the cartel). She is the only one quite frankly that is capable of completing the cleansing....in my opinion.

I agree, but to minimize collateral damage, us, she needs our help. Convulsing the planet is an inexact means of cleansing and we would end up as we have in the past when these things happened and had to start almost from primitive beginnings. Our help will allow us to keep our progress while we clean the planet up.

I would like to add that "convulsing the planet" would cause unimaginable pollution world-wide that would take millennia for mother nature to cleanse.

[Cjay]

A simple rhetorical question: Do you think the real plan will be revealed in any public forum - including this one - for all to see? ;)

No.

Can you imagine any type of conflict, military or otherwise, where either side would release their strategy in advance?

[Ishtar]

The problem is if drake is 100% serious about what he's doing then the factual innacuracies are a dead giveaway something's up

With regards to inaccuracies, and I hope this applies.

I am sure quite a bit of detail went into planning D-Day. I am also sure quite a bit of on the ground realities led to last minute changes before the launch. We know once it launched many things changed, by the minute and hour. We are about to be in some sort of battle, because the elite will not go quietly and have orcs in their employ.

Most dinner parties have some glitches. Looking to our own preparations and having an idea to what we can contribute makes us partners in this effort.

Everything else is neurosis and enjoying our own voices. This is a real lesson in centering ourselves and showing what we are capable of. I do believe the galaxy is watching.............and listening.

There's a difference between planning an attack, which deals with physical/mental realities on the ground. You might need to move locations, deal with supply problems, morale, etc. All of these are tangibly defined things that is reasonable to expect change upon. (Which could excuse things such as tactics/dates being changed, that said...) Going on a radio station to begin doing PR, and then directly getting the facts wrong ON the air, multiple times regarding the most important part of the entire event (The legal basis and evidence for the legal basis for this act)? To use your dinner party metaphor that would be a mistake akin to me replacing the usual setting with a chainsaw, a paintbrush and a pair of tweezers, after being informed that I had assigned my guests home-improvement tools as utensils responding that I didn't think dinner parties needed things like "Silverware" to work because it doesn't matter what utensils you use to eat with so long as you have utensils. Can we perhaps see why there is a very direct and distinct problem in someone claiming to be all about promoting awareness for a "lawful mass arrest" event when they can't even properly enunciate the legal basis and locations of their filings and evidence which give proper lawful cause to do this?

There really are only two options here. 1: He doesn't know what he's talking about at all, or 2: He's putting out disinformation. Now, that being said there's a certain irony here in that the disinformation could be part of an intentional double-bluff. The Financial Tyranny piece by David Wilcock had said that the original bonds involved in the supposed lawsuit ongoing against the Federal Reserve were printed with deliberate spelling errors so they could not be redeemed. This could also mean that the entire situation we have right now with Drake's releases are being intentionally written so that he can go out in public and say what he does, while not becoming a target of violence. Using the enemy's tactics against them.

If people think you're just some hick who loves the 50s and doesn't know the first thing about law or where to send paperwork to then the powers that be would probably just write you off as a lone nut and never give you a second thought. Putting out a contrary image as a smoke screen since as most people can already tell by this point in the thread, no amount of pointing out the factual innacuracies in Drake's PR has changed anyone's opinions so much about the inevitability of the actual event.

This would allow for the "spirit" of the message about oncoming mass arrests to be transmitted without jeopardizing any possible actual legal basis for those arrests. Making it a perfect play, if it's real. You'd keep your real hand hidden as far as members, operations, resources and evidence while being able to quickly spread public awareness prior and all with those about to be arrested none the wiser thinking it was just some crazy person.

Still, this all hinges on the event actually occurring. I try to look at all of the possibilities, I want this to happen but more than anything, but it's exactly because I want it so bad that I'm so critical about it. Nobody wants to be duped, eheh. ^_^;;

Thank you. That's about exactly where I've got to with this, but I couldn't have put it so well.

I think the alternative community may be being used and manipulated to support (at the very least) this action, and I don't like being manipulated, or feeling that I'm being manipulated, no matter how worthy the cause.

My experience is that the universe resonates with truth, and so nothing good can ever come from a lie.

Sometimes people believe that the end justifies the means. But in my view, the very fabric and nature of the end is constructed by the means. The means actually create the end, in other words. The means have an impact on how the outcome looks and feels and they also implant a seed into the outcome which contains the means of its eventual destruction. We are co-creators of our own destiny and need, therefore, to act in truth and under truth at all times.

The ancient Vedics put it this way: Sat Chit Ananda. Sat (Truth) is the Chit (Consciousness) of Ananda (Bliss or Goodness). The ancient Greeks put it slightly differently ~ their three pillars upon which the universe was constructed were named Truth, Goodness and Beauty. Without these three pillars standing firm, the centre cannot hold because they are all aspects of each other ~ in other words Truth=Beauty and Beauty=Truth and Goodness=Truth and so on.

In recent years, coming across "The Truth Movement", I have found so much lying and subterfuge and sleight of hand puppetry and pink smoke that I have begun to suspect anything that has the word Truth in the title. Truth has become the new Lies, in so many cases.

So until I'm sure I'm not being lied to, I will remain sceptical of Drake and this whole movement.

[modwiz]

I have heard Drake's message. I'm not sure what to think of his message. The only thing I know for sure is that I am not going to be holding my breath for anyone to "save us" from a cartel that has control over nearly every major government in the entire world. The task at hand is akin to going out in your row boat to stop a cat.5 hurricane.

Mother nature will take care of this plague on mankind(the cartel). She is the only one quite frankly that is capable of completing the cleansing....in my opinion.

I agree, but to minimize collateral damage, us, she needs our help. Convulsing the planet is an inexact means of cleansing and we would end up as we have in the past when these things happened and had to start almost from primitive beginnings. Our help will allow us to keep our progress while we clean the planet up.

I would like to add that "convulsing the planet" would cause unimaginable pollution world-wide that would take millennia for mother nature to cleanse.

Was it clear I was referring to Her convulsing to cleanse Herself? Your reply makes me think clarity was a casualty in my post.

[sdv]

Ishtar, what you say here resonates with me:


Sometimes people believe that the end justifies the means. But in my view, the very fabric and nature of the end is constructed by the means. The means actually create the end, in other words. The means have an impact on how the outcome looks and feels and they also implant a seed into the outcome which contains the means of its eventual destruction. We are co-creators of our own destiny and need, therefore, to act in truth and under truth at all times.

How can you act to defend and uphold the Constitution by bypassing it? Does not the Constitution of USA say 'We the people'?

I don't know why alternative communities such as this attract manipulative people or what they get out of it (but perhaps thyey are opportunities for us to wake up). Have a look at the following:


Like 9 days ago he talked about in 2-3 days the fed would have something serious happen and people would hear about it. WHAT EVER HAPPENED? I can't find anything that supports his claim and its well over the time limit he gave. HALP ME SEE THE LIGHT PEOPLE!!!

Scroll back a few pages re "Dutch Government collapses" or words to that effect...

There is a prediction that 'something' would happen and people would hear about it and a vague reference to 'the fed'. Then, 'proof' is given because there is a media report that 'the Dutch Government collapses'. Huh?

[Bo Atkinson]

Thanks all.

I still think Drake's original show explains his messenger status to a limited cultural sector, alone... His recent show (2012-04-22B-32kbs-WSR-with-Deatra-and-Drake-hours-4-5.mp3) sounded much more "health and well being" oriented to that specific mentality, (thankfully less militant). That level of advice on well-being is perhaps a step-upwards for the junk-food culture. A primer for self-defense from agent-orange, mad-cow, GMOs. etc? Even a touch of non-sectarian-spirituality and denominationalism? At the least it does not sound like witch hunts ^__^ Just old, alternative info recycled for the slower minds, which were too engrossed in gun lore previously. Perhaps this trend is finally seeping into the Military and tptb hide-aways. Eh?

We may need to supplement life, with many global tipping points, spilling over now. There are dozens of other large occurrences in progress. I'll keep listening and respect all moves to better appreciate the earth. Hoping that the Native Americans will not sell short-- In case the sovereignty deal bears fruits. No need to wait impatiently-- So much to study nowadays.

I like to use 'fear-bytes' as a precursor for invigoration. I've primarily been a manual-laborer of the trades, in this lifetime. So all this excitement invigorates my mind to trudge along with simple tasks at hand. Manage a lifestyle quarantined by the greater distractions at large. We may be getting out of the slave boxes at differing times. But many are almost climbing out by now. Are we all together now, with all the TPTB, in the next bigger box? Are these folks realizing the bigger picture yet?

The king and the pawn go back into the same box, when the game is over. (Italian saying)

[sdv]

Bekhra, thank you so much for trying to get information. There is no such thing as the International Court of Justice, Law Department. Not the "Hague" but in the same building? The building in which the ICJ resides in The Hague, a city. This is absolute hogwash and is an insult to your intelligence.


"Thank you for your email. Of course there is a papertrail. We will release the paperwork (filed at the International Court of Justice, Law Department, not the "Hague" but in the same building) on the internet as soon as we get the green light from the people who risked their lives to get this done for all of us. You won't find the proof anywhere because the current corporate government does not want you to have proof that you are free. There are people at the ICJ whose job is specifically to interfere with the notification process and they have no limits on how they accomplish this."

[sdv]

Enjoy the intelligence of the literary metaphor Unified Serenity:


At this point I think Drake should be arrested for indecent exposure! If you unzip your fly and just leave "it" hanging out for weeks, then it does not appear you are intending to actually relieve yourself, but are doing it for attention.

[Ishtar]

Yes, I agree, sdv. But as I'm sure you know, Benjamin Fulford has been operating that kind of MO for years. He's always just one step behind the news, and he reinterprets events from what we're being told about on the mainstream media to fit his own narrative. He could be right ... but we have no way of knowing 99.9 per cent of the time, any more than we can know if the mainstream media interpretation is the correct one. So what we tend to do is to choose the story we want to believe according to how well in fits into our worldview ... which in itself has been shaped by various narratives from the media (either mainstream or internet) which cannot prove or disprove.

I said this in another post, but it bears repeating again.


Plato's Cave

http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=280&d=1335010248

We're all in Plato's Cave here ... tied up, in the dark, and facing a wall upon which the puppet masters are throwing different shadows.

In this kind of scenario, it's stupid and dangerous to argue about which shadow is the 'white hat' and which shadow is the 'black hat', as we're entirely at the mercy of those pulling those strings behind us, who've trained us in what each shadow means.

All we can do is go with our gut instinct and follow that ... not what others tell us to think, or try to bully or intimidate us into thinking, or threaten to excommunicate us from the club for thinking. Instead, we can only put our trust in our own body's inbuilt intelligence and early warning system.

So all the more important to try to verify what and where we can .... and if Drake's legal claims do or don't stand up to scrutiny, then at least that gives us some solid ground to stand upon. So far, we cannot know, because no documentation has been produced.

It's called doing 'due diligence'. David Wilcock continually reminds his readers to do their own due dligence... so I would seriously suspect the agenda of anyone that tries to disrupt that process.

[sdv]

Very wise words Ishtar.

I just have low tolerance for BS, especially when it is full of blatant errors, and so tend to shriek shrilly when I see it!

Every Drake is an opportunity for us to wake up to the power of our minds and how we create our own reality, and an opportunity for us to consider what kind of reality we want to create.

I just see people being manipulated and enslaved and used, and eventually suffering for it, and I feel compelled to speak up.

[Fred Steeves]

It's now time to sharpen up our pitchforks, load up the ammo, pack bags of wrist twisty-ties and support our Oath-keeping county sheriffs, our Oath-keeping US Marshals and our Oath-keeping military to GO AFTER THE EFF'N BASTARDS WITH THE FORCE AND POWER OF THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE.



Hi Mozart, I felt exactly like that in my early awakening days, exactly. Upon first recognition of the lies and betrayel I was like "lock and f*****g load baby! This s**t ends here and now!"

Well, you know what mate? Do what you need to do, but I'm going to tell you that is a sure fire path to self destruction. It will consume you relentlessly until either you are physically dead, or there is nothing left of what used to be you.

To boot, you will have changed absolutely nothing, except exposing yourself to an energetic feeding frenzy by the very forces you wish to depose on your way out.

Like I saw a wise person (Wade Frazier) on this forum once say: "Love is the only way out".

Cheers,
Fred

Good to see you back Fred. When nasty people are either trying to put you and your family into FEMA camps or trying to silence your voice, sending them Love will not be a good defence at all. You may keep that for better times when you are in jail. At least it will stop you going mad. There is a time and place for everything methinks. Sometimes certain things are in the wrong time line or place. Protecting yourself from evil persuasion by standing in light and throwing out Love is a good way to protect oneself. But when evil is manifest in front of you with a machine gun, boy it's too late for that kind of defence.

Stan

Hi Stan, of course you are correct sir. This is a tricky subject. What I was referring to was about going to war against this system we all know and love.(LOL) Self defense is a whole different deal. I presume to have made my position clear on that in past conversations, but if not here's a hint. Here in Florida we have the now infamous "stand your ground" gun law, and I like it.:nod:

Cheers Mate,
Fred

[Avocadess]

Nearly 4 hours of the recent April 22 radio show with Drake is now on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LtqAuvm6gTw

NO ONE LISTENED TO THE FIRST HOUR THAT WAS NOT RECORDED? REALLY? IF YOU HEARD IT PLEASE TELL US ANYTHING YOU REMEMBER FROM IT.

I want to stress that the notes I transcribed in previous posts from this interview were VERY abbreviated and did NOT touch on everything talked about. Drake talked about Gaia being a living thing quite a lot at the very end of the interview, by the way.

[Avocadess]

Some things I left out in previous notes:

The arrests will not go much lower than Governor.

The People will be seeing several different plans for a government for this country very similar to what we originally had. The People will pick from these several structures, which will be on display at the voting places.

There will be more State power as it was originally.

Asked about Argentina's seizing control of the oil companies, Drake said that is going to be dealt with in a way that the Argentinian government will not expect. He could not say much more about that.

The new structure will disallow the "good old boy" system and there will be much more transparent government.

He talks about how Japan is basically unsafe to live in, although the mainstream media is not saying this. The problem is the TYPE of radiation. One molecule can ruin an individual permanently. And the people that set up that horrific situation did it for money. Drake talked about evidence of an explosive device moving the tectonic plate. They talked about Admiral Thrall and how Thrall and the Clintons visited Japan just before the tsunami. These people feel they are immune, and that is soon to be rectified.

Host talked about Admiral Thrall's connection with BP oil spill and in charge at Hurricane Katrina.

Drake answered NO, he is not a member of White Dragon nor White Knights.

Asked if people's money in banks will be protected, Drake said everything will be zeroed out. Banks that are small and local will not be taken down. He went on talking about this in a way I don't really understand well enough to take notes on. Things will be revalued apparently and people will be given certain amounts according to their "needs, not greeds." You can hear this all yourself starting about 40 minutes into the 4-hour YouTube video.

"Think about the IRS. All of it....Think about the record keeping and the files we are going to have to go through....Then you get into the Treasury...." and it goes on and on.

The Catholic Church owes hundreds of billions of dollars it does not have.

They talked about border security and how the people who live in those areas know what's going on. The people who are really good at knowing what is going on both civilian and military have been gotten rid of -- primarily for the ruination of America. We, the U.S., are the last bastion and point of birth for freedom on the planet.

Host mentioned that banks are foreclosing on a lot of Catholic and other churches.

Asked about homes being taken from people, Drake said Terri would be one to address that better on FreedomReigns.US. Deatra said to follow over to the blog about debt elimination.

The bad guys are running out of options. The last-ditch effort is issuing the executive orders and regulations that obviously go against any form of rights and freedom. It is a scare tactic in Drake's estimation. These people are going to have to answer for crimes against humanity. The majority of these people are going to be put in the FEMA camps they built for us.

The host said the first hour of recording was HACKED. PLEASE SOMEONE TELL US WHAT WAS IN THE FIRST HOUR.....?!!!!

[KiwiElf]

Nearly 4 hours of the recent April 22 radio show with Drake is now on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LtqAuvm6gTw

NO ONE LISTENED TO THE FIRST HOUR THAT WAS NOT RECORDED? REALLY? IF YOU HEARD IT PLEASE TELL US ANYTHING YOU REMEMBER FROM IT.

I want to stress that the notes I transcribed in previous posts from this interview were VERY abbreviated and did NOT touch on everything talked about. Drake talked about Gaia being a living thing quite a lot at the very end of the interview, by the way.

Someone is bound to have it sooner or later :)

I listened to the last 4 hrs. I wondered if "Gaia" was who he meant? (his pronunciation = Geeya).

We... the human race,... every living thing... "nature/God/Source field" - we're connected/part-of the spiritual/biological/"entity" that is the "Earth"... which I would interpret as our "thoughts", both conscious & subconscious... just an idea ;)

EDIT: Sabrina has just announced possible Cabal Takedown Advisory on her site

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41059-Massive-Bank-and-High-Profile-Resignations-Across-the-World&p=474205#post474205

[YvonneG]

The first hour of april 22 show was hacked or something and they were not about to record. But Avocedess, you are right someone must have heard it.

[aranuk]

It's now time to sharpen up our pitchforks, load up the ammo, pack bags of wrist twisty-ties and support our Oath-keeping county sheriffs, our Oath-keeping US Marshals and our Oath-keeping military to GO AFTER THE EFF'N BASTARDS WITH THE FORCE AND POWER OF THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE.



Hi Mozart, I felt exactly like that in my early awakening days, exactly. Upon first recognition of the lies and betrayel I was like "lock and f*****g load baby! This s**t ends here and now!"

Well, you know what mate? Do what you need to do, but I'm going to tell you that is a sure fire path to self destruction. It will consume you relentlessly until either you are physically dead, or there is nothing left of what used to be you.

To boot, you will have changed absolutely nothing, except exposing yourself to an energetic feeding frenzy by the very forces you wish to depose on your way out.

Like I saw a wise person (Wade Frazier) on this forum once say: "Love is the only way out".

Cheers,
Fred

Good to see you back Fred. When nasty people are either trying to put you and your family into FEMA camps or trying to silence your voice, sending them Love will not be a good defence at all. You may keep that for better times when you are in jail. At least it will stop you going mad. There is a time and place for everything methinks. Sometimes certain things are in the wrong time line or place. Protecting yourself from evil persuasion by standing in light and throwing out Love is a good way to protect oneself. But when evil is manifest in front of you with a machine gun, boy it's too late for that kind of defence.

Stan

Hi Stan, of course you are correct sir. This is a tricky subject. What I was referring to was about going to war against this system we all know and love.(LOL) Self defense is a whole different deal. I presume to have made my position clear on that in past conversations, but if not here's a hint. Here in Florida we have the now infamous "stand your ground" gun law, and I like it.:nod:

Cheers Mate,
Fred

Fred can you tell me about the stand your ground gun law please?
There's lots about USA that I know about, but lots more I don't. It's funny that I know more about what is going on in America than I do about what's going on in Scotland. If the ET's landed in Princes Street I would probably be te last to hear about it. I know I'm bad, but the action doesn't seem to be happening here.
Well that's my flimsy excuse anyway.

Stan

[Avocadess]

Haha. Well, Drake pronounces a few words funny, so it didn't surprise me that he said GHEE-ya instead of GUY-ya. I do believe he spelled it, though, as Gaia.

[aranuk]

Scotland is not however immune to conspiracy. A short story. At the end of 1978 when Margaret Thatcher was PM the General Election resulted in 9 Scottish National MP's were elected. There was a wave of SNP support, so the news media were saying that electricity pylons up north were being blown up and that the Tartan Army were accepting responsibility. This went on for weeks before the next election. As a result of these lies the SNP (Scottish National Party) went down to one seat One MP and lost about 50% of the votes. Of course the MI6 were the culprits and the Tartan Army didn't exist. There is also the Holly Grieg case which is ongoing and the release of Robert Green from prison on trumped up charges is being released on 21 May. The corruption with Satanic groups in high places is known but covered up as it could lead to London and possibly the world being exposed.
Our good Mod Murray has a thread here about the Holly Greig case. It is very interesting.

Stan

[YvonneG]

Militia folks sure have a way of cutting right to the point.

One says this in a thread on wram:

"One thing is for sure "sis" is sure gona hit the fan"...not my choice of words.
The other comment is this:

"well i look at it like this.....we are the largest armed population in the world...and we are tired of turning our heads the other way"

In then end it is not going to matter what we believe or our views even. There have been times I have made it more important
to make a point on the forum because I do believe Drake, and my beliefs have some substantial evidence for me because of the
8 years I have spent researching and the people I personally know etc.

However, all that being said, I feel that being ready personally spiritually however that is for the individual and spend some quality time "outside" of the maze of our views and beliefs, is a very good idea. And of course preparing with food and such.

May All Beings Be Happy, May All Beings Be Free of Suffering

Yvonne

[YvonneG]

Of course, the real question becomes just how much organization and actual, legally admissible documentation can be counted upon by someone like this?

Drake was not the one organizing anything. The Plan has been around for 20 years. For the states and their paperwork and documentation, it was done by some long time patriots and they organized within their own states. I personally know some of them now. These people I know aren't believing anything. They were involved in it all, they feel that Drake is the real deal, and for me that is enough for me to consider this true, as much as I would consider someone who comes to me with some thing which they say is personally known to them.

I don't see it getting any strong then that me, except for the events themselves.

May All Beings Be Happy

[AuCo]

I am buried in this 3-D world so deep and so long, I forgot what it was like in anything else. Is it a bad thing? Don't know, just seems quite a challenge though. And while many folks can differentiate a multitude of colors in what Mr. Drake is saying, I can only perceive black and white, and the vast shades of gray in between. Therefore I must resort on what this world has to offer between my ears - low level reasoning.

This is what I've heard from Henry Deacon "There are sheep and there are wolves. We [the military] are the wolves."

And what is it that President Eisenhower was so concerned about the "military industrial complex."

NWO or not, we are all in an Earth bound arena, with a very earthly problem: there are people who want to consolidate power, to rule the world. For a litmus test to Drake's testimony, look elsewhere, like what's happening on the other side of the globe:
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/cdf94296-8321-11e1-ab78-00144feab49a.html#axzz1sy1wulTZ
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/20/world/asia/bo-xilai-loyalists-are-rounded-up-in-china.html
It seems like the Chinese [military controller] is changing posture as well. In Chinese, they have a saying "In a bull fight, the bugs are dead." I don't know about the rest of us, but I know I am not the bull.

In short, though it sounds attractive, with respect I doubt very much that little of what Mr Drake has claimed will ever transpire on the path we are traversing.

On a hopeful note, one can only hope bull fighting is "officially" banned. ;)

[aranuk]

Hopefully this big clean up in US will have a domino effect throughout the world. In fact it must happen if things go in our favour. It will start in USA and go viral, that's my hope. Drake is a very intelligent man in my opinion. Deatra is no mug either, and her actions in the past prove to me that she loves her country and its ordinary folk. Same with Drake. If this was a psy-ops campaign to enslave the US people further, and the Military were going to create Marshal law, why would Drake be giving us instructions to communicate by radio etc?

Ok, so the Cabal and its cohorts built FEMA camps, I have heard that there as many as 300 am I correct here? Correct me if I'm wrong. If their brainwashing/mind control by the media was working as well as they wanted, why build FEMA camps at all? They obviously figure it isn't working the way they would like. If they filled up the FEMA camps with citizens the mind controlled masses 90% of the population would start waking up. They must be so desperate and confused. Their (TPTW) actions have gone too far and they cannot hide a thing anymore. They got clumsy. Power mad. Oblivious of the people's knowledge of their actions.

Drake is not going to be fooled by such cretins. I trust the man.

Stan

[YvonneG]

Not only would this wake up more people, but the World is watching and any credibility they may have left would be gone. I so agree with you Stan.

[Fred Steeves]

Fred can you tell me about the stand your ground gun law please?
There's lots about USA that I know about, but lots more I don't.

Sure Stan, "Stand Your Ground" mainly affects people that hold a licence to carry a firearm on their person, and basically says that if you are out and about somewhere and are attacked, you have the right to literally stand your ground and defend yourself, and repel the attack with whatever force is necessary, including deadly force.

Absurdly, before the law was changed the person out and about had the "duty to retreat" if attacked, and could only use deadly force once there was no place else to run and you were cornered. Even then there was no guarantee of not getting charged with something unpleasant.

Cheers,
Fred

[the_vast_mystery]

Drake was not the one organizing anything. The Plan has been around for 20 years. For the states and their paperwork and documentation, it was done by some long time patriots and they organized within their own states. I personally know some of them now. These people I know aren't believing anything. They were involved in it all, they feel that Drake is the real deal, and for me that is enough for me to consider this true, as much as I would consider someone who comes to me with some thing which they say is personally known to them.

I don't see it getting any strong then that me, except for the events themselves.

May All Beings Be Happy

Drake may not be the one organizing anything, but if he's supposed to be PR he's either terrible at it or he's deliberately putting out disinformation. The point was that all of these fudged facts either mean he's conning us (worst case) or conning them (best case) and until we have tangible proof we cannot know which it is. Now, first of all when you consider the fact we are questioning the authenticity of his testimony I don't think that means we can't question whether or not this plan has, in fact, existed at all. That's the problem, if he's putting out disinformation we now have to take a scalpel to each sentence he's uttered and put it under the microscope to see what we can extract from his statements. What evidence other than his word of DW's word can we put to the idea that this plan has even existed? Has it come from other sources before? Who? when? Are there links that can be presented that would make the case that drake is simply the culmination of a process? Because I haven't heard anything like what was being said until the moment Drake came forward about any "Good guys" that weren't ETs.

I'm still trying to figure out if there's a way to correctly apply my own sense of intuition and also a full rational analysis to things. I "feel" authenticity projected from Drake and David Wilcock but I've already had first hand experience with humans who were able to project that same authentic feeling and actually were horrible manipulators. Do you know why? Because a smart person will convince themselves that what they're doing isn't wrong, hence they won't feel guilt about it, and any empathetic abilities you might have will be worthless at reading their intentions. So I apply rational analysis and his statements just have too many factual innacuracies to be someone who's being 100% honest. Especially given the "cover story" he's given us regarding this being the culmination of a long standing plan. (If it's so well orchestrated how the hell can there be so many problems with his testimony? PR is like a science.)

He is telling lies, the only questions are: Is he's lying to us on purpose, if he is what that purpose is, and if he's not, then who's lying to him and why? I still want to believe in a best case and I notice all of the channelers have already been switching their language towards indicating immiment disclosure. Which means, very possibly, that there is something big going on behind the scenes to influence this many changes in tone/verbiage from the various new age/conspiracy sites. A lot of them are running with this meme.

This could be an interesting trend and I hope to see where it goes since it would eventually indicate something coming out, just nothing about what that is. I'm sure at some point collectively people will tire of "Soon!" and at that point we'll either see disclosure of some sorts or perhaps alternatively a blow to the credibility of New Age/Conspiracy sources. We're fast approaching an environment where attempting to double down on what you want to believe in spite of the facts is becoming increasingly impossible as the Internet's memory forces us to remember when we or those we trusted were dead wrong and allows encyclopedic recall of them with bibliography. So if something is going to happen, this would be the time, either we make it or break it. But until we see some action taken beyond "Look at how these news stories support our narrative!" blog posts, I have to remain reserved. Again, it's something I really want to happen, which is why I have to be so skeptical about it (to combat my own confirmation bias.)

[Cjay]

I have heard Drake's message. I'm not sure what to think of his message. The only thing I know for sure is that I am not going to be holding my breath for anyone to "save us" from a cartel that has control over nearly every major government in the entire world. The task at hand is akin to going out in your row boat to stop a cat.5 hurricane.

Mother nature will take care of this plague on mankind(the cartel). She is the only one quite frankly that is capable of completing the cleansing....in my opinion.

I agree, but to minimize collateral damage, us, she needs our help. Convulsing the planet is an inexact means of cleansing and we would end up as we have in the past when these things happened and had to start almost from primitive beginnings. Our help will allow us to keep our progress while we clean the planet up.

I would like to add that "convulsing the planet" would cause unimaginable pollution world-wide that would take millennia for mother nature to cleanse.

Was it clear I was referring to Her convulsing to cleanse Herself? Your reply makes me think clarity was a casualty in my post.

Your post was beautifully clear, modwiz. I was thinking of umteen different comments I have read recently, from people who seem to wish for a cataclysm as a quick way of solving humanity's miriad problems but don't seem to consider the mess that would cause.

[aranuk]

TVM read the previous posts. Your questions have been explained several times. You accuse Drake of lying and build on your doubts. It may take a few months, who knows what problems they have. Drake cannot be allowed to say what the problems are as that would give the enemy information. It has to be cloak and dagger at the start. Be patient. Allow things to happen. Certain things will have to take place in some kind of order. Things that got started may have taken longer or they have been abandoned for some other alternative. The mind boggles really. Anything is possible. Maybe the ET's are now involved and a better plan has now emerged. Anything is possible.

Stan

[mountain_jim]

I will reformulate the question I provided for Kimberly for her upcoming interview with Kettler as a question I have for those who have listened to all these Drake interviews, did he ever say anything that addresses this?:

Do the 'arrests' also include a focus or interest or concerns about the NSA 'turnkey totalitarian state' , as various links and interviews talks about in this thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44076-NSA-Whistleblower-William-Binney-on-Democracy-Now

From my readings some part of the dark cabal power over US (and planetary) citizens seems to be concentrated in this supersecret 'organization', with extreme technologies to spy on and control the citizens of our once free republic, with mafia-type strong-arming or murder of anyone who tries to expose any of the illegalities contained therein.

With all this talk about upcoming 'arrests' of the powers that be, where does this power-center figure in the overall hierarchy of Dark Power in the apparent ongoing war between Light and Dark on this (attempted) prison planet?

And how would Drake's 'forces' penetrate this veil of secrecy as to who is responsible for what and how to deal with them?

(I know, ET/ED this or that but I am looking for more rational, 3D level answers here, if any)

[Chester]

Hi - I created a new thread which focuses on one of the primary issues we have been bouncing around here in the Drake thread - please check it out - justonefool perhaps

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44237-Our-Future-can-it-boil-down-to-one-of-these-3-Possibilities

[aranuk]

Hi Jim you asked I quote "And how would Drake's 'forces' penetrate this veil of secrecy as to who is responsible for what and how to deal with them? "
If Jim Kettler answers this question he will be giving warning to the same power elite, and a method on how to scupper the attacks. I don't imagine Drake would be allowed to answer such a question either. If he did I would then question his authenticity. You cannot give the enemy a notion of your plans to win, that would be stupid, to say the least.

Stan

PS May I also suggest that if you know a way please don't broadcast it here. The walls have eyes. And as Modwiz rended us all "loose lips sink ships"

[the_vast_mystery]

TVM read the previous posts. Your questions have been explained several times. You accuse Drake of lying and build on your doubts. It may take a few months, who knows what problems they have. Drake cannot be allowed to say what the problems are as that would give the enemy information. It has to be cloak and dagger at the start. Be patient. Allow things to happen. Certain things will have to take place in some kind of order. Things that got started may have taken longer or they have been abandoned for some other alternative. The mind boggles really. Anything is possible. Maybe the ET's are now involved and a better plan has now emerged. Anything is possible.

Stan

Yes, and if you'll notice I responded to each response to my own posts to articulate my analysis as to why their statements in support of Drake do not mean anything more than their show of moral/intuitive support for the ideas he is expressing. Reality on the ground != Lawful basis for arrest. Getting your facts on the documentation wrong? Where you're sending it? what it is? No paper trail? Statements of "Trust us, you'll see it...soon" are also the statements that can be just as easily made by a con artist. It might be upsetting to you to consider that possibility but it must be considered if you want the "real" answer; for you to respond with "Stop questioning Drake, you just don't understand!" can't help but remind me of a certain "Leave Brittany Spears alone!" meme.

Anything may be possible on a macro scale but we in our human world do not live in a state of infinite possibility, we live in a state of finite probability which crystallizes into singular-actuality the moment action is taken. As such speculating on why Drake says or does what he does is meaningless unless we are willing to take a hard look at the odds and what sources of evidence we have to support his claims as being anything more than words uttered over the air. Excessive doubt is a problem just as much as excessive belief is, but some doubt (just as some belief) is always good as it leads to questions which lead to answers which lead to proof which leads to real confidence, and that's where I know I want to be. Confident not just because I "think" or "believe" something but confident I have an iron clad case of facts which shows something definite. If you want to just say "Well I intuitively believe in Drake because I get a good feeling from him." Then that's fine, but it's easier to just say that rather than attempt to make a vague attempt to criticize dissent. (If I've missed something, what did I miss, where did I miss it, can you re-quote what was missed and add context? Vague appeals to indefinite "explanations" do not a counter-argument make.)

And I'm willing to consider first hand testimony as evidence but only to a degree unless there are multiple sources of similar testimony from unrelated sources which would corroborate a general trend. It's a hard line to walk, but especially if we're on the cutting edge of Truth we must exercise healthy skepticism (which is all about not coming to a conclusion too quickly on something, not the type of scientism seen in Skeptic Magazine) to stay afloat. We're all prone to our own biases, distortions, etc. We as beings are each wired to see what we want to see versus what is really there to unique and varying degrees, if we do not account for that we will never step out of superstition and into fact. Intuition is a very powerful tool, but just like logic and the scientific method it can lead us to bad results if it's not used properly. :)

[Chester]

Scroll back a few pages re "Dutch Government collapses" or words to that effect...


There is a prediction that 'something' would happen and people would hear about it and a vague reference to 'the fed'. Then, 'proof' is given because there is a media report that 'the Dutch Government collapses'. Huh?

One must view steps by looking at groupings of events. The "collapse" of the Dutch government being only a single event in a group of events. I would place the Morgan Stanley cut off of the Vatican bank in this group amongst other events in the last several weeks. (Comment - this action reminds me of the pot calling the kettle black, but I digress)

http://www.economywatch.com/in-the-news/jp-morgan-shuts-down-vatican-banks-account-over-transparency-fears.20-03.html

One must look with a helicopter view or the details and how we interpret them are like single molecules of mist in a vast fog.

[Dennis Leahy]

... the NSA 'turnkey totalitarian state' ... the dark cabal power over US (and planetary) citizens seems to be concentrated in this supersecret 'organization', with extreme technologies to spy on ...

And how would Drake's 'forces' penetrate this veil of secrecy as to who is responsible for what and how to deal with them?
...

A large magnetic field will completely destroy the yottabytes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yottabyte) of data the NSA has on us. By writing The Reset Button, I have done my part to try to overwhelm and explode their hard drives, but so for it hasn't worked.

Dennis

[mountain_jim]

Hi Jim you asked I quote "And how would Drake's 'forces' penetrate this veil of secrecy as to who is responsible for what and how to deal with them? "
If Jim Kettler answers this question he will be giving warning to the same power elite, and a method on how to scupper the attacks. I don't imagine Drake would be allowed to answer such a question either. If he did I would then question his authenticity. You cannot give the enemy a notion of your plans to win, that would be stupid, to say the least.

Stan

PS May I also suggest that if you know a way please don't broadcast it here. The walls have eyes. And as Modwiz rended us all "loose lips sink ships"

Well I question talk of arrests to the 'governor' level when the real power, at least in this country, is in these super-secret organizations with such advanced tech.

I was not looking so much for the how, (except I guess rhetorically) but whether he has even mentioned this power-center in his discussions of what has to be changed.

And envoking the 'don't give your enemy info' response to all questions of this nature just moves me toward the doubter's camp, concerning the reality of these 'arrests' causing a true change in the controllers of this planet.

[the_vast_mystery]

Well I question talk of arrests to the 'governor' level when the real power, at least in this country, is in these super-secret organizations with such advanced tech.

I was not looking so much for the how, (except I guess rhetorically) but whether he has even mentioned this power-center in his discussions of what has to be changed.

And envoking the 'don't give your enemy info' response to all questions of this nature just moves me toward the doubter's camp, concerning the reality of these 'arrests' causing a true change in the controllers of this planet.

A good, non-gloomy way to revisit this situation would be for us to mine old data on channelings, old Camelot Testimony, etc. to see if these events were in any way directly foreshadowed by certain groups, individuals etc. The Drake story purports to have historical basis. So if we can find a historical basis foreshadowed enough in prior testimony that would work as evidence for what David Wilcock and Drake are saying. The idea being that if Drake's story is authentic we should be able to find evidence released in the past that corroborate his story. Whereas if his story was the first of its kind and began to specifically advance a new meme in the New Age/Conspiracy communities that would be evidence that Drake is purposefully putting forth disinfo.

So there are things we can do that would give us some real answers, although it might take a while to go over all of that video x_x;; I've only managed to go through about ten differet Project Camelot whisleblower videos.

[Chester]

A simple rhetorical question: Do you think the real plan will be revealed in any public forum - including this one - for all to see? ;)

No.

Can you imagine any type of conflict, military or otherwise, where either side would release their strategy in advance?

This is not so much a "conflict" as an ACTION taken by a segment of humanity. Look at it in the proper light. Will some conflict occur in the implementation of the action? Probably.

Has there been a great deal of thought by some pretty intelligent folks about all this? If the bigger shoes begin to drop then I would suggest Yes is the answer to that last question.

Since it will be quite obvious when these bigger shoes drop, are we (each of us individually) willing to help in any positive way we can?

I would think that is the question we should try and spend much of our chat time exploring.

[Chester]

A simple rhetorical question: Do you think the real plan will be revealed in any public forum - including this one - for all to see? ;)

No.

Can you imagine any type of conflict, military or otherwise, where either side would release their strategy in advance?

I can't imagine it either thus that is one of the reasons I see brilliance in the decision to do so.

Besides most of us knowing old thinking can never solve problems - imagine how most of America (much less other parts of the world) would react if it has not been announced?

Another point - do you think the in power cabal is clueless that folks like us are on to them? You don't think they are aware of most of the steps being taken to stop them? Come on... As if it could be kept under wraps in the first place.

[Chester]

Bekhra, thank you so much for trying to get information. There is no such thing as the International Court of Justice, Law Department. Not the "Hague" but in the same building? The building in which the ICJ resides in The Hague, a city. This is absolute hogwash and is an insult to your intelligence.


"Thank you for your email. Of course there is a papertrail. We will release the paperwork (filed at the International Court of Justice, Law Department, not the "Hague" but in the same building) on the internet as soon as we get the green light from the people who risked their lives to get this done for all of us. You won't find the proof anywhere because the current corporate government does not want you to have proof that you are free. There are people at the ICJ whose job is specifically to interfere with the notification process and they have no limits on how they accomplish this."


Actions speak louder than words - if the 90% are convinced well enough to act, then what will all this banter about paperwork matter? If/when the biggest shoes drop, are you willing to be helpful? Have you explored the ways you can be, as an individual if these events occur?

[A Simple Human]

Everything else is neurosis and enjoying our own voices. This is a real lesson in centering ourselves and showing what we are capable of. I do believe the galaxy is watching.............and listening.

@ modwiz,

Very astute observation, modwiz. Although I never respond to your posts, I do read everyone of them contained in the threads that interest me most. I generally tend to agree with your sentiment. So, thanks for posting this.

I observe a whole lot of criticism posted, but very few solutions. To me it's just a lot of noise with which I do not wish to participate in.

There are about a dozen, or so, posters (and they probably know who they are) who I'm truly grateful for their contributions. So thanks to everyone who has positively contributed something of value, and not just simply your criticism. I appreciate it.

A.S.H.

[Fred Steeves]

Sorry, but sometimes I just can't melp meself. Whenever I see a Drake thread or comment I time warp back to Seinfeld. I mean hey, who doesn't love The Drake?
shYbs2f-VgA

[Lost N Found]

A simple rhetorical question: Do you think the real plan will be revealed in any public forum - including this one - for all to see? ;)

No.

Can you imagine any type of conflict, military or otherwise, where either side would release their strategy in advance?

This is not so much a "conflict" as an ACTION taken by a segment of humanity. Look at it in the proper light. Will some conflict occur in the implementation of the action? Probably.

Has there been a great deal of thought by some pretty intelligent folks about all this? If the bigger shoes begin to drop then I would suggest Yes is the answer to that last question.

Since it will be quite obvious when these bigger shoes drop, are we (each of us individually) willing to help in any positive way we can?

I would think that is the question we should try and spend much of our chat time exploring.


Justoneman, If and when and I prefer the when,the big shoe drops, exactly what are you planning to do to be part of this and how will you help. I for one would really like to know that. I have my own ideas and perhaps we can have discourse about this as you have asked.

[the_vast_mystery]

Actions speak louder than words - if the 90% are convinced well enough to act, then what will all this banter about paperwork matter? If/when the biggest shoes drop, are you willing to be helpful? Have you explored the ways you can be, as an individual if these events occur?

Let's break down Drake's message a bit. First of all what is the paperwork meant to be? An international declaration as to why this is happening. It's meant though to enshrine that this action is taking place in full compliance of the law. Why does legal compliance matter? Because many people will immediately distrust any "extra-legal" means of righting a situation. This is meant to assure them of the intent of the actions so that people will be helpful and not harmful to the process. With that being said, then, it becomes incredibly suspect that there are so many factual innacuracies in Drake's statements regarding the paperwork he sent. If his purpose is PR, and his mission is to spread awareness prior to the event to re-assure the public of it's legal basis and therefore of it's good will, then his innacuracies directly contradict his stated intent of spreading awareness. Since why would anyone trust someone who can't be bothered to get their facts right the first, or hell even second time? I always consider that may be part of this "plan" but if it is then it will need to be followed by a mountain of evidence and David Wilcock and Drake have said that supposedly such things exist.

Paperwork matters, and evidence matters, because if something isn't documented, you have no proof that the justification for any of this ever existed anywhere other than the rationalizations within our own minds; and acting entirely on passion is only going to get us into even more trouble.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Let's get very practical. There will be severe disruptions, much will change, regardless of Drake's presentation being accurate or not.

Even in the best case where the military and light side ETs are on the same team there will be an undefined period of disruption. My local grocery store has a backup generator for the refrigerators and freezers, but no backup electricity for the internet dependent cash registers. Bottom line is food may not be available for purchase and supply lines may be cut due to riots where there are unprepared people. We should be stocking up. Canned goods will work for the short term but they are heavy to move. Dehydrated food will last much longer and is much easier to transport.

A plan is needed to get clean water. Three days without water many are about to enjoy whatever reality comes next. Even those in great physical condition will be dysfunctional by then.

Food, water purification filters, simple gardening tools and basic supplies are a much better investment than gold or silver. During a period when stores are closed or empty, can you imagine trading food for precious metal? Dr. Pete Peterson (insider, Project Camelot interview) said he might trade a loaf of bread for a 1 oz gold coin (currently valued at more than $1600).

Without a plan for self responsibility one really plans (by default) to switch realities, and maybe very soon.

And if the Drake material is inaccurate and the dark side temporarily wins, consider the vulnerability to manipulation if one does not have any food in the house. Or worse, no water.

[aranuk]

You make good sense Rob. What can I do to help? Inform the Scottish people to give support in anyway possible perhaps. Saying prayers will help on a mass scale I think.

Stan

[aranuk]

I'm just thinking this may be the most important stage in history. I think Drake is mainly speaking to those of us who are awake to the realities of what is going on in USA and the world at large. He is not talking to the mind controlled masses who believe almost anything the BBC,ITV,Channel 4, the American tv stations that I'm not familiar with, the newspapers tell them. This I would guess is the biggest problem. If I were the general in charge of operation house clean, I would on my first move knock out the tv news broadcasts and take them over. They, if left alone could change the entire situation by their usual lies they like to tell. Drake mentioned that that would happen after a few days, I think he said, but in my view quicker than that would be paramount.

Stan

[TargeT]

You make good sense Rob. What can I do to help? Inform the Scottish people to give support in anyway possible perhaps. Saying prayers will help on a mass scale I think.

Stan


I decided to involve myself in education & preparation organizations, my current favorite (for its theatrical flair) is
http://www.zombiehunters.org/
http://www.zombiehunters.org/wiki/images/thumb/Zombie-squad-logo.PNG/250px-Zombie-squad-logo.PNG
this is a group that performs local charity work (depending on your chapter, we did not have one in Alaska so a co-worker and I started one) and educates people on personal preparation for disaster, the tag line is "if you can survive a zombie apocalypse, you can survive anything!" (or something similar).

Small things like this I think are what is key, people know us publicly, we are subject matter experts (SME's) and will be turned to in times of need, in times of plenty we educate all who will listen (or trick them into listening via our zombie hunter front.. haha).

it’s fun, doesn't take much time & is very educating.

Help yourself, once you are secure you will be in a position to help others (that’s my advice).


as for this whole drake thing.. it has nothing to do with personal preparation, it either is real or is not; either outcome should not greatly affect your current life style.

[modwiz]

I'm just thinking this may be the most important stage in history. I think Drake is mainly speaking to those of us who are awake to the realities of what is going on in USA and the world at large. He is not talking to the mind controlled masses who believe almost anything the BBC,ITV,Channel 4, the American tv stations that I'm not familiar with, the newspapers tell them. This I would guess is the biggest problem. If I were the general in charge of operation house clean, I would on my first move knock out the tv news broadcasts and take them over. They, if left alone could change the entire situation by their usual lies they like to tell. Drake mentioned that that would happen after a few days, I think he said, but in my view quicker than that would be paramount.

Stan

This is a very important statement of logic you posit here Stan. It is a fact most people do not and, because of lack of practice, cannot think for themselves. This is not so much a put down as a statement of reality. That said, the TV becomes paramount. People are conditioned to turn to it for direction and what to think. Getting control of 'the box' means effectively being able to control the situation. Not wanting to sat too much, the good strategies will be the ones not talked about and I do wish the naysayers would get this. Do not expect to hear what you think makes sense. That would be giving away the intel and that would be really stupid. The fact that the elite have control over all of the important areas of control makes them spread out a little thin when it comes time to guard the crucial points. A good tactical mind will be aware of this and strike where things are most advantageous to do so. Utility of the target and ease of obtaining it form a sort of triage to consider.

We have the advantage that their focus on saving asses and money will leave them exposed in other areas.

To get back to the original idea. I agree with you Stan.

To others who think nothing adds up. Do not expect to read cogent plans here. If you think the plan sounds daft. Good.

[crosby]

here is something of interest: not sure if it is part of the mass arrests, but i thought just in case:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/energy-environment/justice-dept-makes-1st-arrest-in-bp-oil-spill-ex-engineer-accused-of-obstruction-of-justice/2012/04/24/gIQAOuKieT_story.html?tid=pm_business_pop

"NEW ORLEANS — A BP engineer intentionally deleted more than 300 text messages that said the company’s efforts to control the Gulf of Mexico oil spill were failing, and that the amount of oil leaking was far more than what the company reported, the Justice Department said Tuesday.

In the first criminal charges related to the deadly explosion on the Deepwater Horizon rig in April 2010, the Justice Department arrested Kurt Mix and charged him with two counts of obstruction of justice for allegedly destroying evidence sought by federal authorities, officials announced in a statement."

regards, corson

[aranuk]

Absolutely Modwiz. I concur.

Stan

[Alie]

A simple rhetorical question: Do you think the real plan will be revealed in any public forum - including this one - for all to see? ;)

No.

Can you imagine any type of conflict, military or otherwise, where either side would release their strategy in advance?

This is not so much a "conflict" as an ACTION taken by a segment of humanity. Look at it in the proper light. Will some conflict occur in the implementation of the action? Probably.

Has there been a great deal of thought by some pretty intelligent folks about all this? If the bigger shoes begin to drop then I would suggest Yes is the answer to that last question.

Since it will be quite obvious when these bigger shoes drop, are we (each of us individually) willing to help in any positive way we can?

I would think that is the question we should try and spend much of our chat time exploring.


Justoneman, If and when and I prefer the when,the big shoe drops, exactly what are you planning to do to be part of this and how will you help. I for one would really like to know that. I have my own ideas and perhaps we can have discourse about this as you have asked.


Although you asked Justoneman, my answer would be to look to making a difference during the "rebuild". What could I possibly do I ask myself since I'm better at support than leadership. So this is my answer --- look over my life --- what are my skill sets and what are my passions? Then I find people who need to be taught/encouraged with those things I'm good at. It has been said several times in the broadcasts --- get to know your neighbors, your county, your community.

[YvonneG]

The County Project "education" that is offered by Anita through Freedomreign.us is probably the best way to learn from someone who has been working on this since 2005--Anita. She has nothing to do with Drake's The Plan, other than she is part of the "show". Anita joined the "show" about month or so ago.

Her two calls on county project are majorly informative. Govt. by We the People is bottom up. State does not rule the county. There is a lot to learn about how our counties have literally been stolen and what Agenda 21 is all about. Anita set up a wiki for county and shares many good examples of how it is a perfect way for people to meet, to network, to share openly through the wikispace. I and another lady I met recently are starting our wikispace. She is setting up, I will contribute as well as work on getting what we put up out on google.

We need this now...we will need later...we have always needed it :-) It is a really good way to get to know our neighbors.

For anyone who doesn't like Drake or has a negative opinion. This is not DRake's thing. It 's Anita's thing and she has been working with all of this since 2005. She is also very familiar with probably one of the major proponent of going local...Catherine Austin Fitts. She was on Thrive and is one of the main whistleblowers...she survived and is alive and well openly.

hope this is helpful...