Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[ThePythonicCow]

The entire affair is a pantomime. I'm amazed that this is not obvious to everyone.
That seems to be a weakness of the human genome at this time ... how readily we divide into conflicting groups, and with such fervor.

[Christine]

Vivek and most probably US are illuminati paid trolls.

Stan

Stan,

You must really be upset when someone challenges your thoughts with reason. Just because Vivek and I do not trust Drake's message, have pointed out huge holes in his story, does not make us illuminati trolls. Name calling is a true disinfo tactic and shows how out classed, out debated, and out gunned you are. Yes, when all else fails scream "TROLL" and see if you can shut them up or create more "TROLL" screamers.

Nice desperate move.

I follow my heart dear. If I would let it rip upon you or Vivek I would most probably be expelled from here. It is quite clear that you and him have backing from Bill Ryan and Paul. I rest my case. I cannot speak freely here as you know. That is the liberty you take here with descent people here. If we had a level playing field here I would take you guys on in a serious debate, however my hands are tied behind my back and you ****ing people know it.

Stan

Heart? What are you talking about? Let it rip on US and Vivek? Heart? Oh me oh my! Sorry Stan but I just don't see how your hands are tied. As I understand it you are free to express your opinions openly but "letting it rip" implies that you wouldn't be polite and that you would attack these two members personally. Now THAT might go against the agreed protocols of the Avalon forum.

If you have serious and SUBSTANTIATED information on this whole sordid affair please do share it with the other members. What bothers me the most is that educated people have chosen to BELIEVE a fairy tale about a savior. Geez, haven't we grown up enough to realize that there are NO SAVIORS. I for one am certainly not going to sit home with my doors locked watching TV.

It is the height of absurdity that any one of any intelligence actually believes this.

Thanks for supplying me with your words, they certainly helped me get this off my chest.

La Tigra

[seigiarchon]

where the hell do you guys find the time to participate in all this bs?

[ThePythonicCow]

Deatra-Drake Transcript: This is only the first 10-11 minutes. I have removed "ums" and "ahh's" for clarity. (Still no substitute for listening yourselves ;))
When you're as hard of hearing as I am ... your transcript is vastly superior!

Thanks :).

[we-R-one]

where the hell do you guys find the time to participate in all this bs?
LMAO, that's what I've been wondering. I can't keep up with this stuff. Though I've tried to remain neutral on all this, I just haven't bought into the whole Drake facade. Been there and done that with TT way back when and it was the same story -Promises made, then later to be broken. Time would be better spent working locally from the ground up rather than the top down, and that was the lesson I learned after the whole TT fiasco.

[ThePythonicCow]

Deatra-Drake Transcript: This is only the first 10-11 minutes. I have removed "ums" and "ahh's" for clarity. (Still no substitute for listening yourselves ;))

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One of the things that I will not tolerate is that type of fun and games. I do not propose to retaliate any further than than this if it's made available, and that is ... that I'm allowed to post corrections to that website on that specific proposition and without the "I think so and maybe we'll think about allowing you to post" part of it ... as the admin that I talked to via email express and a permanent attachment to that particular post of my counter proposal to what was posted.

No one (well, except maybe Bill) but especially no one who is a non-member and who just threatened the destruction of this forum, gets to post whatever they want here, with a prior promise, sight unseen, of no review.

[StarDust]

I'm worried because Bill Wood just said that Obama is not a bad guy. WTF? Alex Jones, where are you on that one. :ohwell:

I don't belive Obama is intrinsically a "bad guy" either.

Politics and ideologies aside, his heart was in the right place until he found out what his job actually was. This occured the moment he stepped off the inaugural podium. Inside reports were that Obama became physically ill once his family was threatened if he didn't play ball within reason. I think this is why he has become noticeably center right since he took the oath of office.

In spite of how most people perceive it, the presidency is NOT a monolithic position and no presidential election has represented a true "choice" by the people since Kennedy was in office. JFK was a man of principle and look where that got him.

I was working in the White House when Vince Foster was found dead during Bill Clinton's first term as president. The "suicide" as was reported just didn't add up. My intuition at that time told me that it didn't pass the smell test and it became blatantly obvious to me that "the powers that be" within that institution had their own way of keeping those in line that might stray from the grand plan of the puppet master.

Although it is not apparent to outsiders, the office has become the ultimate puppet show by virtue of those who surround the president and have never run for office; yet have the ability to pull the strings of power. This aspect of our government is intentionally non-transparent.

In summation, it's not the career politicians that we need to be most worried about. It is the career bureaucrats that are in power year after year plotting along enacting the plan for the cabal that is in desperate need of routing. Sure, there are many politicians that need to go as well and I'm not trying to defend Obama at this point.

Like many of you, I'm looking forward to seeing the list of those to be placed on trial. Once the curtain is pulled back and we are able to see the little old men running the machine, the world will become a much better place to live in, virtually overnight. This will achieve true transparency for the first time in humanities history. And when that occurs, what a blessed day it will be!

[Bill Ryan]

Deatra-Drake Transcript: This is only the first 10-11 minutes. I have removed "ums" and "ahh's" for clarity. (Still no substitute for listening yourselves ;))
...One of the things that I will not tolerate is that type of fun and games. I do not propose to retaliate any further than than this if it's made available, and that is ... that I'm allowed to post corrections to that website on that specific proposition and without the "I think so and maybe we'll think about allowing you to post" part of it ... as the admin that I talked to via email express and a permanent attachment to that particular post of my counter proposal to what was posted.

No one (well, except maybe Bill) but especially no one who is a non-member and who just threatened the destruction of this forum, gets to post whatever they want here, with a prior promise, sight unseen, of no review.

For the record: Drake sent the mods an aggressive message yesterday morning, pertaining to part of Vivek's researched information about him. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44252-Who-is-DRAKE-The-Loyal-Order-of-the-Royal-Dragon) He insisted on the right to reply and correct. He did not state what he was aggrieved about.

I recommended to the mods that they should write back with courtesy and invite Drake to submit a statement that we would publish (as long as it was a proper refutation, and didn't in itself contain anything inflammatory or was otherwise contrary to Forum protocols) -- i.e. the proper professional protocol for all media. We've not yet heard back from him. I am happy to defer totally to the mods' judgment on all these and other associated matters.

[Eram]

For the record: Drake sent the mods an aggressive message yesterday morning, pertaining to part of Vivek's researched information about him. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44252-Who-is-DRAKE-The-Loyal-Order-of-the-Royal-Dragon) He insisted on the right to reply and correct. He did not state what he was aggrieved about.

I recommended to the mods that they should write back with courtesy and invite Drake to submit a statement that we would publish (as long as it was a proper refutation, and didn't in itself contain anything inflammatory or was otherwise contrary to Forum protocols) -- i.e. the proper professional protocol for all media. We've not yet heard back from him. I am happy to defer totally to the mods' judgment on all these and other associated matters.

Well,

Hurray for vivek.... !!
What a little bit of research can put into motion.

Isn't it time we start doing this more often? put more effort in researching new info instead of only debating it?
Sometimes it is so easy to find proof for the validity or invalidity of a story just bye writing e-mails to certain offices and here on PA I see too little of it.

For instance: I wrote to the ICJ in The Hague to ask for proof of the notification of sovereign states that Drake and his group supposedly send to them. I wrote the ICJ 8 times and never got an answer, which you might consider proof in itself. Proof that I'm a lousy researcher probably ;).

We should all put more effort in tracking down data to back up claims or breaking down claims made bye people with new interesting story's.

Maybe we can even put together a team of people here on PA who specialise themselves in this field.

x post update x

And as much for vivek being called a dis info agent:
If the future events that Drake is predicting are true, nothing we discuss here will have any influence on that, so what we believe or not is irrelevant to the unfolding of the predicted events. No need for Drake to get angry or aggressive does he?

[araucaria]

Aruacaria, the post of mine that you just quoted was not in criticism of Major Todd Hathaway, but to indicate that there was nothing wrong in having a Donate button, per se, and I go on to explain my views further in my next post.

However, Major Hathaway told us yesterday that he wouldn't be posting anymore...and it turns out, instead, that he's posting the October Surprise video on our Profiles, which is a bit of a covert operation if you ask me. ;)

What would be better, in my opinion, would be for him to openly and transparently start a new thread on October Surprise, so that we can all address his claims on the forum. I personally object to people posting things to my profile when they're not friends of mine on here. It makes me feel like I do when spam mail comes through the door.

There is nothing wrong in having a donate button, I agree.

The term spam mail corresponds much better in my opinion to the endless discussions on this subject which can do without. It is not necessary to rise to the bait every time it comes up, and I think it is time we stopped.

I was unaware that this message was being sent to other profile pages. Since the facility exists to send messages to multiple users, it is legitimate on this forum. It was used recently by The One to advertise his website, I don't recall seeing any objections to that.

One of kk4aei's issues with this forum was precisely this obsession with form over substance. I for one can understand that.

[ThePythonicCow]

I was unaware that this message was being sent to other profile pages. Since the facility exists to send messages to multiple users, it is legitimate on this forum. It was used recently by The One to advertise his website, I don't recall seeing any objections to that.
There were concerns with a member posting links to his own forum as Visitor Messages on many members profile pages, but these concerns were resolved amicably and out of public view.

We request that Visitor Messages not be used for delivering the same message to many members who weren't expecting such.

[araucaria]

I was unaware that this message was being sent to other profile pages. Since the facility exists to send messages to multiple users, it is legitimate on this forum. It was used recently by The One to advertise his website, I don't recall seeing any objections to that.
There were concerns with a member posting links to his own forum as Visitor Messages on many members profile pages, but these concerns were resolved amicably and out of public view.

We request that Visitor Messages not be used for delivering the same message to many members who weren't expecting such.

Thank you Paul. This would cover The One's case - I have seen his message on every profile page I have visited (not many!). However, in the case of kk4aei, it came in the course of an exchange of messages. I have not seen it anywhere else, including on Ishtar's page, she must have deleted it.
:)

[ThePythonicCow]

[B]Deatra-Drake Transcript: This is only the first 10-11 minutes.
KiwiElf - I have made good use of your transcript. I hope this will be OK with you, and that you won't mind that I didn't ask first.

I have extracted portions of your transcript and appended them as a P.S. to the opening post of Vivek's Who is DRAKE: The Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44252-Who-is-DRAKE-The-Loyal-Order-of-the-Royal-Dragon&p=474522&viewfull=1#post474522) thread, by way of providing a rebuttal in Drake's own words to the portions that he thought were inaccurate in that post.

Thanks again for the very useful transcript.

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However, in the case of kk4aei, it came in the course of an exchange of messages. I have not seen it anywhere else, including on Ishtar's page, she must have deleted it. :)
There were over a dozen other member pages that received the same message. I did not check each case to see whether the message was part of a larger discussion; that may have been an oversight on my part.

[KiwiElf]

[B]Deatra-Drake Transcript: This is only the first 10-11 minutes.
KiwiElf - I have made good use of your transcript. I hope this will be OK with you, and that you won't mind that I didn't ask first.

I have extracted portions of your transcript and appended them as a P.S. to the opening post of Vivek's Who is DRAKE: The Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44252-Who-is-DRAKE-The-Loyal-Order-of-the-Royal-Dragon&p=474522&viewfull=1#post474522) thread, by way of providing a rebuttal in Drake's own words to the portions that he thought were inaccurate in that post.

Thanks again for the very useful transcript.

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However, in the case of kk4aei, it came in the course of an exchange of messages. I have not seen it anywhere else, including on Ishtar's page, she must have deleted it. :)
There were over a dozen other member pages that received the same message. I did not check each case to see whether the message was part of a larger discussion; that may have been an oversight on my part.

No problem Paul - I am happy to assist. :) (Would appreciate it if someone would verify my transcription accuracy tho - I certainly lack Avocadess' excellent skills in that department!). Cheers ;)

[araucaria]

I personally do nearly all my business here in public. There is stuff on profile pages that needs to be out here. These points of order are getting tiresome and this is what dissuades people from posting their material directly on the forum. It's a vicious circle and the only way out of it is a little more tolerance. Is that too much to ask for?

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Just listened to the interview on WSR and caught up on the Drake Drama. Anyone with half an antennae should be able to tell that this guy is not who he says he is. I think he's just a big overinflated blowhard. His threats are ridiculous and his claims of his connections are just a fantasy. I don't think he is illuminati. I don't think he is anything. Just another internet conspiracy entrepeneur spinning tales. I'm the opposite of impressed with WSR as well. So sue me.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program.

[frozen alchemy]

Let Me Get This Straight...

Basically, Drake, who is supposedly busy busy busy communicating with hundreds of people in the Pentagon and U.S. Armed Forces, hundreds of worldwide nation-state representatives, thousands of local militia captains, not to mention aliens and or angels, and many, many such people across the board (what 'highly connected' tends to represent), and takes time out of his busy day to give Two Hour Long interviews reiterating the same noninformation information over and over and over again (stock up on TP!) also has time to check out the forums that were discussing what he was representing as truly world shaking information (an activity which takes hours, believe me!) and took offense when some of his supposed credentials were taken issue with. And not only threatened to sue both the forum owners but the individual posters, as well. And apparently threatened the owner of this forum with bodily harm... i.e.; paraphrased, 'if I don't decide to sue, you better be packing your bags...'.

Did I get all that right?

Seems like a better response, regardless of his 'stress' levels, would be to simply implement the durn PLAN already. Nuthin' like success to shut up the naysayers, I always say.

I've known for quite some time now that 2012 would bring out the best and worst in people, with a massively inordinate amount of profit-taking (and ego-strutting) from the same kind of mentality who gave us profit-from-terror, snake oil and carnival barkers. But THIS! Dang, buy popcorn futures and sit back and watch the show!

I was listening to the interview with KC where Drake called in and couldn't be bothered to actually introduce himself first, but asked a question and then demanded that Kerry make note of his phone number. It seemed to me that his ego was shot down that she didn't want to hand over the microphone to him. The guy has gotten used to being the center of attention awful fast.

[bekrah]

Let Me Get This Straight...

Basically, Drake, who is supposedly busy busy busy communicating with hundreds of people in the Pentagon and U.S. Armed Forces, hundreds of worldwide nation-state representatives, thousands of local militia captains, not to mention aliens and or angels, and many, many such people across the board (what 'highly connected' tends to represent), and takes time out of his busy day to give Two Hour Long interviews reiterating the same noninformation information over and over and over again (stock up on TP!) also has time to check out the forums that were discussing what he was representing as truly world shaking information (an activity which takes hours, believe me!) and took offense when some of his supposed credentials were taken issue with. And not only threatened to sue both the forum owners but the individual posters, as well. And apparently threatened the owner of this forum with bodily harm... i.e.; paraphrased, 'if I don't decide to sue, you better be packing your bags...'.

Did I get all that right?

Seems like a better response, regardless of his 'stress' levels, would be to simply implement the durn PLAN already. Nuthin' like success to shut up the naysayers, I always say.

I've known for quite some time now that 2012 would bring out the best and worst in people, with a massively inordinate amount of profit-taking (and ego-strutting) from the same kind of mentality who gave us profit-from-terror, snake oil and carnival barkers. But THIS! Dang, buy popcorn futures and sit back and watch the show!

I was listening to the interview with KC where Drake called in and couldn't be bothered to actually introduce himself first, but asked a question and then demanded that Kerry make note of his phone number. It seemed to me that his ego was shot down that she didn't want to hand over the microphone to him. The guy has gotten used to being the center of attention awful fast.

Is it possible that perhaps both angles being presented here are correct? We're all human, we all have our strengths and weaknesses. It appears to me that sometimes those are one in the same, a person like drake may have been chosen to be the spokesperson because he is outspoken. That can be a both a strength and a weakness in circumstances such as this. He's outspoken, he get's people going, this forum is proof enough of that! However along with that comes perhaps a bit of a swollen ego. Some may call it confidence, some may call it narcissism. The point is, he's human just like all of us. And if what he says about his schedule is correct, I could very well imagine he might be dealing with a great deal of stress. Stress doesn't do good things for anyone. That is all I wanted to say.

[araucaria]

Let Me Get This Straight...

Basically, Drake, who is supposedly busy busy busy communicating with hundreds of people in the Pentagon and U.S. Armed Forces, hundreds of worldwide nation-state representatives, thousands of local militia captains, not to mention aliens and or angels, and many, many such people across the board (what 'highly connected' tends to represent), and takes time out of his busy day to give Two Hour Long interviews reiterating the same noninformation information over and over and over again (stock up on TP!) also has time to check out the forums that were discussing what he was representing as truly world shaking information (an activity which takes hours, believe me!) and took offense when some of his supposed credentials were taken issue with. And not only threatened to sue both the forum owners but the individual posters, as well. And apparently threatened the owner of this forum with bodily harm... i.e.; paraphrased, 'if I don't decide to sue, you better be packing your bags...'.

Did I get all that right?

Seems like a better response, regardless of his 'stress' levels, would be to simply implement the durn PLAN already. Nuthin' like success to shut up the naysayers, I always say.

I've known for quite some time now that 2012 would bring out the best and worst in people, with a massively inordinate amount of profit-taking (and ego-strutting) from the same kind of mentality who gave us profit-from-terror, snake oil and carnival barkers. But THIS! Dang, buy popcorn futures and sit back and watch the show!

I was listening to the interview with KC where Drake called in and couldn't be bothered to actually introduce himself first, but asked a question and then demanded that Kerry make note of his phone number. It seemed to me that his ego was shot down that she didn't want to hand over the microphone to him. The guy has gotten used to being the center of attention awful fast.

'The best and worst in people'. So, is this your very best? ;)

[Ishtar]

Bill, well he is an aussie and I have a soft spot for them, so maybe he is backing me, LOL.

I'm a Brit with a South African hat and Canadian Parents, who was raised in West Africa. But when I was in Australia, even some of the Aussies thought I was an Aussie.

:)

Re Drake, Nancy's post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793&p=483207#post483207) summed up the situation perfectly:





So....let me get this straight...Drake is involved in a planned take down of the government and its unfair systems within a month or two at the most. With these HUGE changes and as busy as he is he still has time to start a lawsuit against Kerry or anyone else who doesn't believe him or has said something about him that he didn't like???? This is the final nail in the coffin as far as him having ANY believability whatsoever for me!!

He's a proponent of taking DOWN the system yet he will USE that system of NONjustice to hassle someone who has only stated their truths! Even if he doesn't follow through with a lawsuit, just the THREAT of it shows what kind of person he is. What a CROCK!!! My ambivalence towards Drake has now turned towards distaste. I don't respond well to any kind of intimidation and I would hope that others weren't so gleeful at the thought of Drake suing ANYONE who has spoken against him. Obviously he's not a believer in free speech other than for himself. It's absolutely disgusting!

The entire affair is a pantomime. I'm amazed that this is not obvious to everyone.




Yes, all of the above ... and what's ironic is that he's been hung by his own petard.

Drake stated clearly, and in a response to a direct question about it, that he wasn't associated with any Dragon group and specifically the White Dragon society.

Now he's threatening people who, through honest research found out that he was, with implied violence from the very Dragon group HE LIED ABOUT BEING AFFILIATED TO.

So so much for freedom of speech under a Drake regime.

I think Vivek should be knighted.

[Ishtar]

I was unaware that this message was being sent to other profile pages. Since the facility exists to send messages to multiple users, it is legitimate on this forum. It was used recently by The One to advertise his website, I don't recall seeing any objections to that.
There were concerns with a member posting links to his own forum as Visitor Messages on many members profile pages, but these concerns were resolved amicably and out of public view.

We request that Visitor Messages not be used for delivering the same message to many members who weren't expecting such.

Thank you Paul. This would cover The One's case - I have seen his message on every profile page I have visited (not many!). However, in the case of kk4aei, it came in the course of an exchange of messages. I have not seen it anywhere else, including on Ishtar's page, she must have deleted it.
:)

Yes, I deleted it, after posting a message on his Profile about why his post wasn't welcome on mine. His message wasn't as a result of any conversation I'd with him, because there had been none.

I think that form is as important as substance. We shouldn't have to choose between two sides of the same coin.

[xbusymom]

where the hell do you guys find the time to participate in all this bs?
obviously the same place you get the time to read it...

[KiwiElf]

where the hell do you guys find the time to participate in all this bs?
obviously the same place you get the time to read it...

It's called.... multi-tasking! :P

[KiwiElf]

Bill, well he is an aussie and I have a soft spot for them, so maybe he is backing me, LOL.

I'm a Brit with a South African hat and Canadian Parents, who was raised in West Africa. But when I was in Australia, even some of the Aussies thought I was an Aussie.

:)

Re Drake, Nancy's post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793&p=483207#post483207) summed up the situation perfectly:





So....let me get this straight...Drake is involved in a planned take down of the government and its unfair systems within a month or two at the most. With these HUGE changes and as busy as he is he still has time to start a lawsuit against Kerry or anyone else who doesn't believe him or has said something about him that he didn't like???? This is the final nail in the coffin as far as him having ANY believability whatsoever for me!!

He's a proponent of taking DOWN the system yet he will USE that system of NONjustice to hassle someone who has only stated their truths! Even if he doesn't follow through with a lawsuit, just the THREAT of it shows what kind of person he is. What a CROCK!!! My ambivalence towards Drake has now turned towards distaste. I don't respond well to any kind of intimidation and I would hope that others weren't so gleeful at the thought of Drake suing ANYONE who has spoken against him. Obviously he's not a believer in free speech other than for himself. It's absolutely disgusting!

The entire affair is a pantomime. I'm amazed that this is not obvious to everyone.




Yes, all of the above ... and what's ironic is that he's been hung by his own petard.

Drake stated clearly, and in a response to a direct question about it, that he wasn't associated with any Dragon group and specifically the White Dragon society.

Now he's threatening people who, through honest research found out that he was, with implied violence from the very Dragon group HE LIED ABOUT BEING AFFILIATED TO.

So so much for freedom of speech under a Drake regime.

I think Vivek should be knighted.

ahem... he said all along Ishtar, that he was associated - past tense - is no longer associated - please check out the transcript. You are reading meaning into it that is not there... and that is EXACTLY what Drake was getting at ;)

Drake QUOTE: "...at one time I was affiliated with a group known as Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon..."

Nor do I see him saying ANYWHERE,... that he is suing ANYONE, can you?.

[Ishtar]

KiwiElf

You are wrong. He denied it.

It was in an earlier interview, 40 mins into 22 April 22A http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archive/Freedom_Reigns/2012-04-22A-32kbs-WSR-with-Deatra-and-Drake-hours2-3.mp3

In this interview, he stated categorically that he wasn't a part of any Dragon-related group as a result of a caller coming back in on a sort of 'back door' phone line to ask his question again, because Drake had tried to throw up a load of pink smoke around it the first time of asking.

Drake was asked if he was associated with any Dragon groups and particularly the White Dragons, and he said "No". That truth would have been "I used to be, but not any longer." But it was a firm "No".

Vivek was only acting as any diligent researcher in uncovering Drake's links to LORD. Now it turns out that Drake IS specifically associated with the White Dragon group, because he is threatening reprisals from them to those who uncovered this association to LORD.

If he wasn't associated with the White Dragon group, he couldn't threaten people with it.

Of course Drake is threatening to sue... and that's not the worst of it. He is implying violent reprisals from the White Dragons with his "you'd better pack and get out of town".

This is from your own transcript, although you've omitted his comments about slapping a multi-million lawsuit on Kerry and thanking the donor for offering it.



Within the realms of the Federal Government, which I don't like very much anyway, but might serve a purpose, there are things called "terrorism" that I don't think you wanna deal with, in terms of that website, and some of the things that have been posted, some of the things that have been done there, recently, under its present management and control, are such that both cans of worms are open. Both the litigation and to the summary removal of the website for "activities that are opposite the betterment or continuation or continuity of government". So, you may be in a lot more trouble than you think.

I have not considered yet, whether I am going to take these actions. I am considering "how" and to what extent I want to take it. The individuals who run the website, the individuals who posted, all the people who can allow access to the website, will all be held responsible in the case that I decide to litigate this. I'm presently seeking the advice and counsel of some legalists who are some of the finest in the World, and we'll see what their recommendation is.

[KiwiElf]

It was asked in the present tense. :) As he said, not a good idea to take things out of context - go back a few pages.
And, again, you may want to look up the term "selective perception" - I'm sure it'll be on Google.

Oh, better check my transcript against the actual recording too, ... I may have "twisted" the wording a tad to suit my bias ;)

[Ishtar]

It was asked in the present tense. :) As he said, not a good idea to take things out of context - go back a few pages.
And, again, you may want to look up the term "selective perception" - I'm sure it'll be on Google.

Oh, better check my transcript against the actual recording too, ... I may have "twisted" the wording a tad to suit my bias ;)

Exactly!! I think we both need to check our 'selective perception' and if we can overcome it, we'll probably be superhumans!! ;)

You did miss out the conversation where's he's thanking an anonymous donor for offering to fund a multi-million lawsuit against Kerry.

In the case of the lie, it was a lie. You can say it was a justified lie. ... (I don't, but you can). Nevertheless, it was a statement designed to hide the truth which is now right out in the open because of Vivek's excellent research which tweaked the Dragon's tail! ;)

[KiwiElf]

LOL, Well I hope everyone mentioned has a good lawyer,... then we will see won't we ? :) Have a great night! ;)

[Ishtar]

LOL, Well I hope everyone mentioned has a good lawyer,... then we will see won't we ? :) Have a great night! ;)

Will do! It's morning here, but I shall go for a long walk now and work on my 'selective perception'. :cool:

[Ishtar]

The hypocrisy here is overwhelming in its grandiosity and arrogant blindness.



Within the realms of the Federal Government, which I don't like very much anyway, but might serve a purpose, there are things called "terrorism" that I don't think you wanna deal with, in terms of that website, and some of the things that have been posted, some of the things that have been done there, recently, under its present management and control, are such that both cans of worms are open. Both the litigation and to the summary removal of the website for "activities that are opposite the betterment or continuation or continuity of government".

It reminds me of the phrase: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

What is Drake if not someone who wants to carry out "activities that are opposite the ..... continuation or continuity of government" ... the present elected one, anyway?

This shows that he will be yet another leader that shouts 'terrorist' every time someone says or does something that runs counter to his agenda.

[araucaria]

I think that form is as important as substance. We shouldn't have to choose between two sides of the same coin.

We can talk about anything we like (or nothing at all), it makes no difference. We are like a crowd gathered to hear a speaker make an important revelation or disclosure and noisily speculating about what they are going to say.

At this rate, they are likely to say, I’ll come back in 20k years when you’re ready to listen :)
Many will not even notice that the speaker has left the building.

Our civilization is coming to an end, for this is what civilizations do. See Richard Pasichnyk’s In Defense of Nature. It is life’s way of reclaiming from the lifeless, and it does it though ‘natural’ disasters (such as ionizing radiation and earthquakes) and manmade disasters (wars). We are currently finding out with a vengeance that the so-called ‘natural’ disasters are in fact manmade - manmade ionizing radiation from Fukushima, HAARP-induced earthquakes, etc. - and that this has always been the case.

The economy of the ‘oil-soaked rich’ (Sherman Skolnick) has to come down in one way or another for this same reason – I personally am not particularly interested in which scenario is going to win out, still less on which day it is going to happen.

Pasichnyk suggests that it is no accident if the Middle East, which has most of the oil, is also the cradle of civilization. If so, the collapse of the ‘black gold’ civilization heralds the collapse of ‘civilization’ civilizations – which is why one thing we can say for sure is that these are definitely end times one way or the other. Game Over can have two possible outcomes: either move up a level or go back to the beginning: snakes and ladders :)

[turiya]

Thank you NancyV for your sensible post.

Its a bit of the "What goes around, comes around" in my view. Drake had become part of Teri's smear campaign against TT/RuSA, and then they both refuse to allow a debate to ensue so that their claims can be disputed in a public setting. Simply using a hit & run tactic.

During the early times of RAP, when Sam Kennedy was cut loose from being one of the elders, TT/RAP was incessantly attacked on John MacHaffie's Nesara News website, as Sam Kennedy had a large following from his RBN radio show "Take No Prisoners".
Being a supporter of RAP at the time, MacHaffie started deleting many of the negative comments. TT wrote in and asked him not to do so, as everyone is allowed the freedom of speech. To compare how TT responded to a similar situation go to: http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2010/05/restore-america-plan-tim-turners.html

I absolutely agree with what you said about Drake's threat to make use of the de facto system of 'Just Us' that he espouses to be so against. An obvious bit of hypocrisy, there... part of the nature of human psychology that exists during these present times.

Cheers, turiya


So....let me get this straight...Drake is involved in a planned take down of the government and it's unfair systems within a month or two at the most. With these HUGE changes and as busy as he is he still has time to start a lawsuit against Kerry or anyone else who doesn't believe him or has said something about him that he didn't like???? This is the final nail in the coffin as far as him having ANY believability whatsoever for me!!

He's a proponent of taking DOWN the system yet he will USE that system of NONjustice to hassle someone who has only stated their truths! Even if he doesn't follow through with a lawsuit, just the THREAT of it shows what kind of person he is. What a CROCK!!! My ambivalence towards Drake has now turned towards distaste. I don't respond well to any kind of intimidation and I would hope that others weren't so gleeful at the thought of Drake suing ANYONE who has spoken against him. Obviously he's not a believer in free speech other than for himself. It's absolutely disgusting!

[Hervé]

The entire affair is a pantomime. I'm amazed that this is not obvious to everyone.
That seems to be a weakness of the human genome at this time ... how readily we divide into conflicting groups, and with such fervor.



[...]

I've known for quite some time now that 2012 would bring out the best and worst in people, with a massively inordinate amount of profit-taking (and ego-strutting) from the same kind of mentality who gave us profit-from-terror, snake oil and carnival barkers. But THIS! Dang, buy popcorn futures and sit back and watch the show!

[...]

Adepts, practitioners and pawns of the "Never let a good crisis go to waste" school... as pinpointed by good ole' doc John Coleman in his "Diplomacy by Deception (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44569-U.S.-Troops-In-Neighborhood-Streets-Fully-Armed&p=482574&viewfull=1#post482574)" book:



"Of primary importance is the revision of history and law and subjecting the populace to the deviant creation, thus shifting thinking from personal needs to constructed, fabricated outside priorities. The general rule is that there is profit in confusion, the greater the confusion, the greater the profit. One of the ways in which this can be accomplished is to create problems and then offer solutions.




"It is essential to divide the people, keep the adults' attention away from real issues and overcome their thinking with matters of relatively little importance. The young must be kept ignorant of mathematics; the proper teaching of economics and history must never be made available. Keep all groups so occupied with an endless round of issues and problems that they have no time to think clearly, and here, we rely on entertainment which should not reach beyond the mental capacity of a child in the sixth grade.


"When government is able to seize private property without just compensation, it is certain that people are ripe for surrender and consenting to slavery and legal encroachment. Energy sources which support a primitive economy are a supply of raw materials, the consent of people to labor, and assume a certain place, position, level in the social structure viz., provide labor at various levels of the structure."


Brought into your daily life courtesy of Tavistock Institute's "Operation Research (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/diplomacy_deception/diplomacy_deception06.htm)" (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44569-U.S.-Troops-In-Neighborhood-Streets-Fully-Armed&p=482574&viewfull=1#post482574)).

[aranuk]

Wow, Paul, this is the first time I have ever even concidered being on the same side as you and I tend to go toe to toe with each other. So, I am very surprised to hear you are backing me. Bill, well he is an aussie and I have a soft spot for them, so maybe he is backing me, LOL.

Seriously, are you even hearing yourself Stan? Yes, let's change the debate, put the spotlight on those asking questions and the validity of the site. One question left Stan, and that is "Are you trying to commit suicide by Mod?"

edit.....

Ok, that is never true with me, there are always more questions. Those of you who steadfastly stand behind your "Heart", I am wondering if any of you have ever regretted anything you decided. Have you gotten a divorce? Have you ever said something in anger you regretted all because you heart spoke before your head did?

I would love nothing more than to spread ooey gooey stories that make people "resonate" in bliss and joy, but I won't lie, and I won't shut off my mind. Did you guys ever watch the interview with the guy who had the green background? I bet you didn't because it was so spot on, that anyone who could back Drake after it must be out of their minds.

I can confess I have never had a divorce. I haven't ever broken a relationship. I was married at age 19 my wife was 17, we have been married 45 yrs. I have made many mistakes in my life, and all of them was using my rational mind at the expense of what my heart was trying to telling me. All of my decisions that came from my heart have worked out great. In homage to my heart, I say thank you and thank God.


Stan

[YvonneG]

NO ONE IS TAKING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT. Criminals within the government and banksters who have helped bring us the current set of affairs in our country and in our world killing innocent people in other countries, stealing their resources and not to mention our rights...they are the ones that are going down. NOT OUR GOVERNMENT.

If you all keep discussing things at least keep tell it like is. This going back and forth is feeding the negativity...the fear. The most honest thing anyone can say is that we don't know for sure.

And Drake is not threatening. He obviously knows his rights.

I will end this with a quote from David Wilcock's blog

[Moderator: One of David's top insiders confirmed this is going on with negative entities -- and said that if people stopped being consumed by fear for even one day, worldwide, these entities would completely lose control of Earth and never be able to get it back.

[YvonneG]

Paul, you say this:
That seems to be a weakness of the human genome at this time ... how readily we divide into conflicting groups, and with such fervor.

and I agree with this. Which is one reason I am not coming back here very much. Why continue to do the dividing thing? Everyone already knows how any of us feel and we have a right to feel whatever we want, but want continue the dividing conversations and comments??? Why? I for one will not. And I am not interested in people's opinions or points of view since the bias that we all have is huge.

All of this energy is better used locally and working on ways to help our local community.

[Unified Serenity]

NO ONE IS TAKING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT. Criminals within the government and banksters who have helped bring us the current set of affairs in our country and in our world killing innocent people in other countries, stealing their resources and not to mention our rights...they are the ones that are going down. NOT OUR GOVERNMENT.

If you all keep discussing things at least keep tell it like is. This going back and forth is feeding the negativity...the fear. The most honest thing anyone can say is that we don't know for sure.

And Drake is not threatening. He obviously knows his rights.

I will end this with a quote from David Wilcock's blog



HAHAHAAHAAAAAAAAAAA

This is priceless! So, the incorporated U.S. of America is perfectly acceptable, it's just the "criminals" within it that are bad now? Wiping the tears of laughter from my eyes now, it is pretty funny to watch the twitching and goal post moving that is taking place. You see, those "criminals" put in laws to allow them to do most of what they have done. Executive orders are legal because we are still under Martial Law! So, we have to take down the incorporated U.S. of America in order to restore a free constitutional government!

Yes, let's keep correcting people who actually know the truth with fables of such in the above quote. This keeps getting better and better.


update:


[Moderator: One of David's top insiders confirmed this is going on with negative entities -- and said that if people stopped being consumed by fear for even one day, worldwide, these entities would completely lose control of Earth and never be able to get it back

Was that the entity Ra that gave DW this "insider" information? DW is fool of crap, it's called FREEE WILL. Maybe some of you will grasp what that means one day.

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

Just remember that collaborating with a crime is also, well, a crime.

In this sense, we all should go to jail as well.

Cheers,

Raf.

[ThePythonicCow]

In the case of the lie, it was a lie. You can say it was a justified lie.
Whether it was a lie or not depends on what the question was.

If you ask me if I am a student at Reed College, I can truthfully answer a plain and simple "no". No need for me to explain my past.

If you ask if I was ever a student at Reed College, I would answer truthfully "yes".

In a complex interaction (with a bit of pink smoke) it might be unobvious which question Drake answered with his simple "no".

With my lousy hearing, I have no way, short of a careful and complete transcript, to know what question Drake was answering. And as I say, it might not even be obvious in this case with a good hearing or a good transcript.

[turiya]

One of David's top insiders confirmed this is going on with negative entities -- and said that if people stopped being consumed by fear for even one day, worldwide, these entities would completely lose control of Earth and never be able to get it back.

Yes, this is quite the side show.

Promoting the idea that "negative entities" are controlling us is a form of escapism. This theory is only to keep people from growing up and taking on the responsibility for their own actions, their own self-created situations. It plays into the idea that one is a victim. Divisions & conflict exist because man is divided & conflicted within.

Be attentive to the peace that is within, and it will naturally be expressed without.




NO ONE IS TAKING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT. Criminals within the government and banksters who have helped bring us the current set of affairs in our country and in our world killing innocent people in other countries, stealing their resources and not to mention our rights...they are the ones that are going down. NOT OUR GOVERNMENT.

If you all keep discussing things at least keep tell it like is. This going back and forth is feeding the negativity...the fear. The most honest thing anyone can say is that we don't know for sure.

And Drake is not threatening. He obviously knows his rights.

I will end this with a quote from David Wilcock's blog

[Moderator: One of David's top insiders confirmed this is going on with negative entities -- and said that if people stopped being consumed by fear for even one day, worldwide, these entities would completely lose control of Earth and never be able to get it back.

[turiya]

"All words are lies" - turiya



In the case of the lie, it was a lie. You can say it was a justified lie.
Whether it was a lie or not depends on what the question was.

If you ask me if I am a student at Reed College, I can truthfully answer a plain and simple "no". No need for me to explain my past.

If you ask if I was ever a student at Reed College, I would answer truthfully "yes".

In a complex interaction (with a bit of pink smoke) it might be unobvious which question Drake answered with his simple "no".

With my lousy hearing, I have no way, short of a careful and complete transcript, to know what question Drake was answering. And as I say, it might not even be obvious in this case with a good hearing or a good transcript.

[gripreaper]

Drake fired back. He sited de facto adjudication as one avenue for redress of his grievance about how his character "might" be defamed and the legal actions he "might" take.

Why would anyone want to go into the Crown's tribunal and adjudicate an inquisition with attorneys, who are agents for the Crown, to get remedy for defamation? The de facto courts, ALL courts for that matter, are inquisitions of debtors and there is no justice or civil liberty ANYWHERE in the court structure.

I challenge anyone here to show me where there is any type of structure on this planet for adjudicating true justice between two aggrieved parties, by unbiased peers of those who are in controversy. Isn't controversy, by it's very nature, divisive? Is not divisiveness and separation what we are hoping to move AWAY from while bringing forth a new paradigm?

Drake should know better than to fan these flames.

[ThePythonicCow]

"All words are lies" - turiya
That depends on the listener as well as the speaker/writer.

Words can be used to help convey truth, between two people inclined to be sympathetically tuned to that truth.

[Ishtar]

In the case of the lie, it was a lie. You can say it was a justified lie.
Whether it was a lie or not depends on what the question was.

If you ask me if I am a student at Reed College, I can truthfully answer a plain and simple "no".


But if you then threatened to set the bullyboys of Reed College on to a person for revealing that you were once a student there, wouldn't that imply that there is still an assocation with Reed College ...maybe through the Alumni, at least? ;)

[tenacity1]

so what should Drake have done? Remained silent? I don't think so. As one who had to stand up for myself and others I can tell you that some circumstances call for heroic action taken not for oneself but for everyone. Sometimes, you have to stop thinking of yourself and give so others can live. I still have hope that this will come. I've waited 20 years to see redress of grievances . I've seen too many people die in our culture of social Darwinism.. I will always hold out hope that the LIght shall win. To do otherwise would be to cast myself into the abyss of abject cynicism and dark thoughts. We can choose to be the LIGHT or we can wait to see the LIGHT.. what will you do?

[turiya]

Drake fired back. He sited de facto adjudication as one avenue for redress of his grievance about how his character "might" be defamed and the legal actions he "might" take.

Why would anyone want to go into the Crown's tribunal and adjudicate an inquisition with attorneys, who are agents for the Crown, to get remedy for defamation? The de facto courts, ALL courts for that matter, are inquisitions of debtors and there is no justice or civil liberty ANYWHERE in the court structure.

I challenge anyone here to show me where there is any type of structure on this planet for adjudicating true justice between two aggrieved parties, by unbiased peers of those who are in controversy. Isn't controversy, by it's very nature, divisive? Is not divisiveness and separation what we are hoping to move AWAY from while bringing forth a new paradigm?

Drake should know better than to fan these flames.

http://www.ucadia.com/gen_laws.htm

[gripreaper]

I follow my heart dear. If I would let it rip upon you or Vivek I would most probably be expelled from here. It is quite clear that you and him have backing from Bill Ryan and Paul.

Come on Stan, this is divisive. You know that anyone can stick to the facts and debate issues here, as long as they keep perrsonal attacks out of it.


I rest my case. I cannot speak freely here as you know. That is the liberty you take here with descent people here. If we had a level playing field here I would take you guys on in a serious debate, however my hands are tied behind my back and you ****ing people know it.

Stan

The playing field IS level Stan. Go ahead, take it on. Take me on, take Unified Serenity on, take Vivek on, take anyone you want on. Be prepared with the facts and be able to support them, and you're ON

[NancyV]

The hypocrisy here is overwhelming in its grandiosity and arrogant blindness.



Within the realms of the Federal Government, which I don't like very much anyway, but might serve a purpose, there are things called "terrorism" that I don't think you wanna deal with, in terms of that website, and some of the things that have been posted, some of the things that have been done there, recently, under its present management and control, are such that both cans of worms are open. Both the litigation and to the summary removal of the website for "activities that are opposite the betterment or continuation or continuity of government".

It reminds me of the phrase: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

What is Drake if not someone who wants to carry out "activities that are opposite the ..... continuation or continuity of government" ... the present elected one, anyway?

This shows that he will be yet another leader that shouts 'terrorist' every time someone says or does something that runs counter to his agenda.
If Drake had more sense he would think a bit more in depth about how his lawsuit would look in a court of law. "Your honor, the defendants (Kerry Cassidy and Vivek) have defamed my client. They slandered him and spoke against his claims that he has the backing of 90% of the military and a million men in militia and patriot groups who are preparing to arrest all politicians and high government officials up to and including the president of the United States. They will then replace them with a temporary government of their choice until elections can be held. These vile non believers had the audacity to question the legitimacy of Drakes word!"

Sounds like an overthrow of the government. Sounds like a coup (despite Drakes continual denial that it is a coup).

A coup d'état (English: /ˌkuːdeɪˈtɑː/, French: [ku deta]; plural: coups d'état; translation: strike (against the) state, literally: strike/blow of state)—also known as a coup, putsch, and overthrow—is the sudden, illegal deposition of a government, usually by a small group of the existing state establishment—typically the military—to replace the deposed government with another body; either civil or military.

Oh....he says it's not "illegal" since he's just restoring the constitution which all military men have sworn an oath to uphold. Technically he's correct, but technically won't win him a court case. Wesley Snipes was "technically" correct that he shouldn't have to file income taxes, but he now admits he was naive as he's serving his 3 year sentence for failing to file for 10 years.

Bringing a lawsuit against Kerry or anyone else because they refuse to believe his most probably inflated if not outright lying claims would likely get Drake arrested for sedition or treason, whether it is technically true or not. His threats are so much hot air, just like his claims that arrests will happen by the end of June. But he has put out veiled threats of what could be construed as bodily harm with his talk of retribution from the dragon family or group. Threatening bodily harm is illegal. It may be a minor offense but it will be on Drake's record if someone decides to charge him for his threats.

It looks like threatening is a standard operating procedure for Drake. "If you talk against me you could be hurt!" Well...at least that's more honest than the veiled threats from the present government. It's like the difference between the illusion of a democracy and just having an honest tyrant who says believe me or suffer the consequences.

[gripreaper]

Drake fired back. He sited de facto adjudication as one avenue for redress of his grievance about how his character "might" be defamed and the legal actions he "might" take.

Why would anyone want to go into the Crown's tribunal and adjudicate an inquisition with attorneys, who are agents for the Crown, to get remedy for defamation? The de facto courts, ALL courts for that matter, are inquisitions of debtors and there is no justice or civil liberty ANYWHERE in the court structure.

I challenge anyone here to show me where there is any type of structure on this planet for adjudicating true justice between two aggrieved parties, by unbiased peers of those who are in controversy. Isn't controversy, by it's very nature, divisive? Is not divisiveness and separation what we are hoping to move AWAY from while bringing forth a new paradigm?

Drake should know better than to fan these flames.

http://www.ucadia.com/gen_laws.htm

Turiya, the "Rule of Law" is still patriarchal and is still part of the problem, although I did site Ucadia as a great resource. I think Frank O'Collin's is on the right track, but is still stuck in the paradigm of the rule of law.

See my thread I started last night here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44798-Sovereignty-Rule-of-Law-Drake-and-A-New-Paradigm&p=483277#post483277

[turiya]

"All words are lies" - turiya
Words can be used to help convey truth, between two people inclined to be sympathetically tuned to that truth.

Words can be used to help carry the truth, but cannot be the truth. "The Tao that is said is not the true Tao" - Lao Tzu

[ThePythonicCow]

But if you then threatened to set the bullyboys of Reed College on to a person for revealing that you were once a student there, wouldn't that imply that there is still an assocation with Reed College ...maybe through the Alumni, at least? ;)
It might raise reasonable suspicions that there was still an association, but I don't think it logically implies that.

I might want to hide/deny the fact that I was ever a student at Reed, even though I have no association now.

For some better examples, in this forum, I might want to deny/hide the fact that I ever supported the Bush/Cheney presidency and the War on Terror, post 9/11. Or, when I was a very active member on FreeRepublic.com (a forum that is strongly pro-Bush and the War on Terror), I might have wanted to deny/hide the fact that I ever supported the Democrat party and the radical feminist agenda of the National Organization for Women (including being on the Board of Directors of Atlanta NOW.)

Associations and allegiances can shift, dramatically. That I do know.

[Lost N Found]

My goodness, just look, just feel all the energy that is flowing through this thread. I think if I could just dive into this computer (TRON) I could do anything by using the energy. Granted, there is the positive and the negative but in essance it is all one. I am going to levitate today. I really love all of this energy moving along. Drake, Drake, Drake, look what you have done. Just poping on the scene has brought so many folks together in this energy stream. Just look at the billions and trillions of brain cells that are clicking together. What can we do now?

YvonneG, you are so right, start right down in the local community, it does make a hugh difference. Now if we can pull this much energy together on this thread, just think what we can do around us in our communities.

All who are here, I thank you so much for bringing all of this energy. All of your knowledge.

Peace be to all

[ThePythonicCow]

But if you then threatened to set the bullyboys of Reed College on to a person ...
Aham - on rereading your post - yes - if I threatened to have some Reedies get after you, that would suggest I still had a connection with Reed.

Good point :).

[xbusymom]

NO ONE IS TAKING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT. Criminals within the government and banksters who have helped bring us the current set of affairs in our country and in our world killing innocent people in other countries, stealing their resources and not to mention our rights...they are the ones that are going down. NOT OUR GOVERNMENT.
THANK YOU!, YvonneG... our current Government is a psuedo-government!!!


If you all keep discussing things at least keep tell it like is. This going back and forth is feeding the negativity...the fear. The most honest thing anyone can say is that we don't know for sure.
stop making it easy for THEM to divide and conquer US...

And Drake is not threatening. He obviously knows his rights.

Besides- that is not what I heard... what I heard Drake say is that the Dragon family took exception to something that was said and was warning the 'offender' that if THEY decided to deal with it in a public manner - it would go thru the courts, but if THEY decided to deal with it in a private manner- 'the offender' might want to try to vanish...


I will end this with a quote from David Wilcock's blog

[Moderator: One of David's top insiders confirmed this is going on with negative entities -- and said that if people stopped being consumed by fear for even one day, worldwide, these entities would completely lose control of Earth and never be able to get it back.

** and NO- I havent decided for myself one way or t'other on this issue... the only thing I have decided to do is keep a positive mindset for "the best outcome for all concerned".

[ThePythonicCow]

Besides- that is not what I heard... what I heard Drake say is that the Dragon family took exception to something that was said and was warning the 'offender' that if THEY decided to deal with it in a public manner - it would go thru the courts, but if THEY decided to deal with it in a private manner- 'the offender' might want to try to vanish...
Ah - so Drake did not threaten to send the Dragons after us; rather he warned us the Dragons might (perhaps of their own choice) come after us.

If that's the case, then Drake is not implying he is still connected to the Dragons. He's only implying that he has some knowledge of how the Dragons might react.

[turiya]

Ah! Thank you, gripreaper, for those youtube links. Haven't seen these.
Am viewing them at this moment.
Turiya




Drake fired back. He sited de facto adjudication as one avenue for redress of his grievance about how his character "might" be defamed and the legal actions he "might" take.

Why would anyone want to go into the Crown's tribunal and adjudicate an inquisition with attorneys, who are agents for the Crown, to get remedy for defamation? The de facto courts, ALL courts for that matter, are inquisitions of debtors and there is no justice or civil liberty ANYWHERE in the court structure.

I challenge anyone here to show me where there is any type of structure on this planet for adjudicating true justice between two aggrieved parties, by unbiased peers of those who are in controversy. Isn't controversy, by it's very nature, divisive? Is not divisiveness and separation what we are hoping to move AWAY from while bringing forth a new paradigm?

Drake should know better than to fan these flames.

http://www.ucadia.com/gen_laws.htm

Turiya, the "Rule of Law" is still patriarchal and is still part of the problem, although I did site Ucadia as a great resource. I think Frank O'Collin's is on the right track, but is still stuck in the paradigm of the rule of law.

See my thread I started last night here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44798-Sovereignty-Rule-of-Law-Drake-and-A-New-Paradigm&p=483277#post483277

[Ishtar]

My goodness, just look, just feel all the energy that is flowing through this thread. I think if I could just dive into this computer (TRON) I could do anything by using the energy. Granted, there is the positive and the negative but in essance it is all one. I am going to levitate today. I really love all of this energy moving along. Drake, Drake, Drake, look what you have done. Just poping on the scene has brought so many folks together in this energy stream. Just look at the billions and trillions of brain cells that are clicking together. What can we do now

"Drake, Drake, Drake, look what you have done."

Adoramus te. Glorificamus te. Gratias agimus tibi
Propter magnam gloriam tuam. Domine Deus, Rex coelestis,
Deus Pater omnipotens. Domine Fili unigenite, Drake!


Why are thanking Drake for something that goes on here 24 hours a day, seven days a week, and has done for years? We just happen to be applying our energy in his direction at the moment, not least because he's threatening us. Next week, it will be someone or something else.

We don't need a Drake for us to discuss these issues. We've been well aware of them all for a long time. Maybe these issues are new to you, and Drake introduced you to them. But you can't assume what others know from your own experience.

As Terri said last night, at the beginning of the broadcast, some of you need to stop thinking of Drake as God, which also means letting go of the doctrine that anyone who disagrees with his 'plan' (I won't dignify it with an upper case P) is obviously in the grip of evil entities. (That last directed at Yvonne).

This is called healthy debate. I don't know if you have this on the Freedom Reigns forum but this is what it looks like.

You could engage with it positively and in a self-determined, independent thinking way if you could let go of the idea that to do so would be somehow blasphemous to Drake.

[NancyV]

Calling the present government a "pseudo government" doesn't make it so in the minds of those who voted it in. Changing the meanings of words to suit your own purposes doesn't work when at least 80% of the people won't believe you. One of the problems with people who have seen through the illusion is that they often think everyone SHOULD be able to see it the same way they see it. It doesn't work that way. Most people will consider Drake and his "group" to be a small group of disruptive and potentially treasonous terrorists who have already stated that there will be bloodshed involved in this overthrow of the government. Just because you say they are "restoring the legitimate government" by removing the pseudo government, doesn't make it so. Just because they say it will be as peaceful as possible doesn't mean it won't be a violent process.

Personally I don't care what happens but I do occasionally get overwhelmed by the ongoing irrational behavior of those who ignore the consensus reality. We cannot change their reality or their government. We are living within their consensus reality, within the matrix. The brainwashing is well established in 80-90% of humans. Those of us who refuse to accept the ultimate power of the matrix might be better advised to implement a different reality on a personal level, with friends, perhaps a community level.... instead of attempting to change the consensus reality with such grand and sweeping plans of a complete overthrow and arrest of the cabal, elites, politicians, etc. These plans are merely tilting at windmills.

[Ishtar]

Besides- that is not what I heard... what I heard Drake say is that the Dragon family took exception to something that was said and was warning the 'offender' that if THEY decided to deal with it in a public manner - it would go thru the courts, but if THEY decided to deal with it in a private manner- 'the offender' might want to try to vanish...
Ah - so Drake did not threaten to send the Dragons after us; rather he warned us the Dragons might (perhaps of their own choice) come after us.

If that's the case, then Drake is not implying he is still connected to the Dragons. He's only implying that he has some knowledge of how the Dragons might react.

I may be wrong, Paul, but the way I heard it, he had been in contact with them and was waiting for a phone call or some kind of contact back.

Jeez... I guess there's nothing else for it, I'm going to have listen to it again! :rolleyes:

[ThePythonicCow]

These plans are merely tilting at windmills.
At least windmills don't shoot back :).

[SKAWF]

i was watching TV once. i think the program was called 'real TV',
and the vid they were showing was of a black dog that had been walking on a frozen lake or something,
and had fallen through the ice. it was fighting a losing battle trying to get out of the water.

a rescuer managed to get over to it, and after a while, got the dog into a boat,
at which point, the dog bit him on the face.
you see, the rescuer knew that the dog was frightened after having gone through a stressful ordeal
and was not bothered at all about the bite.

i reckon that it should be known by now, that if ANYONE comes onto this scene,
they will get both supported AND flamed by a people who have been bullsh*tted and disinformed,
and who's BS meters are by now on overdrive.

and in terms of the size of the 'thing' he say's he is trying to do,
why is he (as an ex military man) allowing himself to be distracted by something that is miniscule in comparison.
why is he threatening those whom he is trying to liberate, with the very system he is trying to take down?

sorry sarge, the mission failed because some school kids started calling me names through the bars of a playground fence.
we had to move to litigation....

needless to say, both rescuer and dog lived to tell the tale


PS, i am neither for or against him.

[Fundy Gemini]

Lets face it folks, nobody REALLY knows anything - this is all based on hearsay, supposition and opinion.

I for one simply recommend listening to EVERY piece of the puzzle as offered, keep an open but critical mind, and unless you are bringing another piece to the puzzle, or offering a better alternative for us to consider, why not wait and see what picture the pieces are building into?

Just because you THINK you've already figured out what the picture is, doesn't mean you are correct. The thing about points of view is that EVERYONE had one - so endless debate about whose is correct is diversive and couter-productive.

If you have a real and actionable plan to end global tyranny, please share those plans - or at very least try to be supportive of those who risk their life at most, or reputation at least to move us in that direction.

*PEACE*

[Hervé]

[...]
... merely tilting at windmills.



These plans are merely tilting at windmills.
At least windmills don't shoot back :).

Sometimes reality is stranger than fiction...


http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/alternative_energy_revolution.jpg


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Me also think that there are too many strawmen lying on the battlefield in various state of decompositon... check this 9eagle9's post to learn what that means: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43980-Free-man-woman-movement&p=483567&viewfull=1#post483567

[turiya]

The biggest surprise of my recent life came when George Bush Jr. was elected for his second term. My jaw dropped upon learning that most people in America could not see the man for what he was.
Apparently, most people cannot see through the rhetoric.

Revolutions never have been successful. Even the American Revolution, can now be seen to be a failure.
The only revolution that can be successful is the one that goes on within the individual.

True, most do not consider that the present u.s. government is a de facto entity. Belief often times trumps fact.
Removing the present pseudo government is not the plan. The plan is to wait until the psuedo (de facto) government falls on it face.
It is ultimately rotten to the core. The house of cards will topple under its own weight due to the fraud that is woven through it.
Its about re-creating the de jure form of government (with people) that will fill the void that will be created when de facto falls. It will not be removed, it will be replaced after it dissolves away from the weight of its own death. This is how it will be peaceful. Many of those that work for the de facto will make the transition to the de jure in order to keep paying their bills.
There is no plan to oppose the present pseudo government. The plan is entirely about making the transition when the de facto disintegrates.

The real essence of change will be a bottom-up affair.

turiya




Calling the present government a "pseudo government" doesn't make it so in the minds of those who voted it in. Changing the meanings of words to suit your own purposes doesn't work when at least 80% of the people won't believe you. One of the problems with people who have seen through the illusion is that they often thing everyone SHOULD be able to see it the same way they see it. It doesn't work that way. Most people will consider Drake and his "group" to be a small group of disruptive and potentially treasonous terrorists who have already stated that there will be bloodshed involved in this overthrow of the government. Just because you say they are "restoring the legitimate government" by removing the pseudo government, doesn't make it so. Just because they say it will be as peaceful as possible doesn't mean it won't be a violent process.

Personally I don't care what happens but I do occasionally get overwhelmed by the ongoing irrational behavior of those who ignore the consensus reality. We cannot change their reality or their government. We are living within their consensus reality, within the matrix. The brainwashing is well established in 80-90% of humans. Those of us who refuse to accept the ultimate power of the matrix might be better advised to implement a different reality on a personal level, with friends, perhaps a community level.... instead of attempting to change the consensus reality with such grand and sweeping plans of a complete overthrow and arrest of the cabal, elites, politicians, etc. These plans are merely tilting at windmills.

[Ishtar]

Besides- that is not what I heard... what I heard Drake say is that the Dragon family took exception to something that was said and was warning the 'offender' that if THEY decided to deal with it in a public manner - it would go thru the courts, but if THEY decided to deal with it in a private manner- 'the offender' might want to try to vanish...
Ah - so Drake did not threaten to send the Dragons after us; rather he warned us the Dragons might (perhaps of their own choice) come after us.

If that's the case, then Drake is not implying he is still connected to the Dragons. He's only implying that he has some knowledge of how the Dragons might react.

I may be wrong, Paul, but the way I heard it, he had been in contact with them and was waiting for a phone call or some kind of contact back.

Jeez... I guess there's nothing else for it, I'm going to have listen to it again! :rolleyes:

Yes, have just listened again, and his association with them is stated twice.

At one point when Drake is talking about the Illuminati, he refers to the White Dragons and says "I know some of these people and they have instructions for dismemberment on sight," meaning the White Dragons would dismember the member of the Illuminati.

But further on, the association is even more clear, when Drake says:

"You have denigrated the Dragon Families and the people associated with them ... I'll be in touch with them in the next couple of days to find out what they want to do about it."

And then he goes on to say that WDF might want to resort to legal action, or "you might want to pack your bags and leave town ..."

So the legal means or use of violence will be the choice of the WTF.... but they will have been triggered into action by Drake's phone call or email.... because he is still associated with them.

QED...I think! :cool:

[ThePythonicCow]

QED...I think! :cool:
Sounds ... er eh reads ... that way to me too.

Thanks.

[Billy]

Hi guys i have been away for a while up the mountains with nature and trying to catch up.

I have just listened to Drakes radio Audio.

It appears some here are taking Drake's words way out of context, Listen to the audio again.

His gripe is not with Avalon or the thread that Vivek created, In fact he compliments the thread and the research and the feedback from most of the members
who responded on that thread. He is pissed off that a few of members have twisted his truth. Calling him a liar when he answered his own truth. There are a few untruths he would like to put right.

Give him the space to do this.

For some reason which i am not in the know as to why he is has taken offence to Kerry and Project Camalot. It seems this was due to a recent radio interview which Kerry was a guest on.

Why do some here waste so much treasured energy bringing down another beings efforts to assist humanity and our planet for the benefit of all. I cannot comprehend.

Be at peace within yourselves then you can be at peace with all.

[aranuk]

I follow my heart dear. If I would let it rip upon you or Vivek I would most probably be expelled from here. It is quite clear that you and him have backing from Bill Ryan and Paul.

Come on Stan, this is divisive. You know that anyone can stick to the facts and debate issues here, as long as they keep perrsonal attacks out of it.


I rest my case. I cannot speak freely here as you know. That is the liberty you take here with descent people here. If we had a level playing field here I would take you guys on in a serious debate, however my hands are tied behind my back and you ****ing people know it.

Stan

The playing field IS level Stan. Go ahead, take it on. Take me on, take Unified Serenity on, take Vivek on, take anyone you want on. Be prepared with the facts and be able to support them, and you're ON

Hi Gripreaper, you have much more knowledge than me of all the laws in the USA. I also have read a lot of your posts on other subjects of which you have great understanding on. I couldn't in any way put up a decent argument agaist you my friend. Consider my towel being thrown into the ring here. I have never made any claims that I have knowledge of Law in USA, for that matter I haven't got a clue either about sovereignty in USA or in Britain or Scotland. Therefore if I don't know anything about something I have only my intuition to rely on. In the case of Drake, my ears like what I hear from him and my heart warms as he speaks on behalf of the people. I don't trust politicians either whether they are from the USA or Britain. The people of the world have been duped into believing what the elite/cabal wish on them. It is about time these things went into an opposite state. Whether the big clean up happens, the way Drake says it will or not, remains to be seen. It could fail, I agree and I am not willing to speculate on what the reasons for it are. Anything is possible. After hearing Drake last night I felt warm in my heart and was dismayed at all the naysayers comments. I may have overstated my feelings too much and I now appologise if I have offended anyone. Truly. It is not in my nature to debate just for debating sake. I prefer sharing ideas, and arriving at a clearer picture and prefer not to be confrontational if you don't mind.

Stan

[StarDust]

Stan,

You have it right, my friend! Stay true to your heart. It is your voice of reason amongst the murky depths of fear and doubt.

[Ishtar]

Hi guys i have been away for a while up the mountains with nature and trying to catch up.

I have just listened to Drakes radio Audio.

It appears some here are taking Drake's words way out of context, Listen to the audio again.

His gripe is not with Avalon or the thread that Vivek created, In fact he compliments the thread and the research and the feedback from most of the members
who responded on that thread. He is pissed off that a few of members have twisted his truth. Calling him a liar when he answered his own truth. There are a few untruths he would like to put right.

Give him the space to do this.

Hi BillyJi

Maybe that mountain air has gone to your head...I don't know, but you seem to be listening to a different radio show than I and others did, in which Drake states very clearly that his beef is about the LORD being associated with the Illuminati. So unless you have a personal line to him, and he's moving the goalposts, he is threatening to sue this website, this forum and just about anyone who posted in that thread.

So could you say from where you gained the impression you gave above?

However, while on the subject of the LORD and the Nahash Illuminati, that information came from a link on Drake's own site.

I'm quoting from the OP in that thread, Who Is Drake: The Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44252-Who-is-DRAKE-The-Loyal-Order-of-the-Royal-Dragon).



You should be at this page now (this next quote was not made by Drake, nor was it taken directly from his website, it is from a link on a website of his): http://wayback.archive.org/web/jsp/Interstitial.jsp?seconds=5&date=1045075350000&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmembers.aol.com%2Fjohnkeely%2Fae.html&target=http%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20030212184230%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fmembers.aol.com%2Fjohnkeel y%2Fae.html

Scroll to the bottom again and you will find this:

Quote: These will be comprehensive to the initiates of the Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon (the original Nahash Illuminati) obviously anyone stumbling upon these serious meaningful equations will need the backround info of The Code Of The Ancients...

In other words, Drake is threatening to set the White Dragons (who he claims not to be associated with) on various people for the 'crime' of repeating information they found through a link on his own website.

The man needs to get a grip.

[Hervé]

Two depictions of the same event?

Here, we know of Drake's take on it.

Now, here is the other side of the same coin from Stan Deyo site (http://standeyo.com/NEWS/12_USA/120504.Hagmann.warning.html):


May 4, 2012
Douglas J. Hagmann
Hagmann Investigative Services, Inc. and Northeast Intelligence Network (http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/)



1ST PAGE

Civil war is coming to the US, and there's no stopping it
DHS prepping for economic collapse and money will be worthless.
Never seen it this bad; everyone is talking about what they personally will do.
DHS brass don't care and are conducting overt actions in plain sight. Most incoming troops are not for training (some are) but as part of a larger force.
All know BHO (Barack Hussein Obama) is constitutionally illegitimate.
All in Congress know this, and their families are being threatened to keep them quiet.
High level News Corp. people talked to the highest at DHS and TSA. The plan is to get people conditioned to seeing troops, paramilitary – get them conditioned to being searched.
Dollar will collapse – that will be the bigger event. The trigger event starts in Europe and then heads here. When we see that – start counting because we have only days left.
Bernanke / Geitner / top level bankers will be in hiding.
Election year – watch BHO's body language. Does he look afraid of not getting elected? "WTF wake up."
2ND PAGE

Then race riots, class riots.
Farrakhan is on DIA payroll and he will help start these riots.
Then Civil War, not sporadic riots and uprisings here and there.
There will be no food – no ETMs – no gas.
People will RUN to camps for assistance.
Guns must be abandoned and left with police in order to get food.
BHO & Bernanke are behind every stupid economic move.
Something with China troops here, but China debt to be called in – 5.5 trillion total.
Rosebud: How easy will will it be to quell 300+ million people?
No, the question is: How easy will it be to quell 300+ STARVING people who are unprepared?
Shoot to kill orders during collapse will be given to the police.
End of meeting
More later. Said next meeting 5 May (Sat.) outside of DC. Call Sunday.

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Corroborating event: Newly elected French president Francois Hollande is working at dumpimg the US dollar and at joining the BRICS nations (see: France to join BRICS nations? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44825-France-to-join-BRICS-nations))

Are both real?

One disinfo of the other?

Which one?

Both disinfo?

[Chester]

Hi Folks - I wrote a letter to Drake and posted it in Vivek's thread... I hope I did good here, justoneman

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44252-Who-is-DRAKE-The-Loyal-Order-of-the-Royal-Dragon&p=483690&viewfull=1#post483690

[gripreaper]

Hi Gripreaper, you have much more knowledge than me of all the laws in the USA. I also have read a lot of your posts on other subjects of which you have great understanding on. I couldn't in any way put up a decent argument agaist you my friend. Consider my towel being thrown into the ring here. I have never made any claims that I have knowledge of Law in USA, for that matter I haven't got a clue either about sovereignty in USA or in Britain or Scotland. Therefore if I don't know anything about something I have only my intuition to rely on. In the case of Drake, my ears like what I hear from him and my heart warms as he speaks on behalf of the people. I don't trust politicians either whether they are from the USA or Britain. The people of the world have been duped into believing what the elite/cabal wish on them. It is about time these things went into an opposite state. Whether the big clean up happens, the way Drake says it will or not, remains to be seen. It could fail, I agree and I am not willing to speculate on what the reasons for it are. Anything is possible. After hearing Drake last night I felt warm in my heart and was dismayed at all the naysayers comments. I may have overstated my feelings too much and I now apologize if I have offended anyone. Truly. It is not in my nature to debate just for debating sake. I prefer sharing ideas, and arriving at a clearer picture and prefer not to be confrontational if you don't mind.

Stan

Stan, I think you will find that most here are in total agreement with the "sentiment" of... The planet needs a change, a complete paradigm shift, a unified effort, a decentralization of power, a local community grass roots effort, and living from the heart. You have been very clear that this is your intention and your dream for mankind. That is very honorable.

Yet, there is debate about how this transition might occur, how we each might participate, what it might look like, and what those who are claiming to have a plan and the answers are really doing. That is healthy too.

I have made it perfectly clear that I want to see a complete tear down of the existing system, with a totally new paradigm, not based on "weights and measures" indexed to precious metals commodities, or a similar hierarchical pyramid of power with new benevolent leaders at the top, in some type of global fashion. That "smacks" of having the potential to be a way to keep the original power intact and just clean out some second and third tier players as sacrificial lambs, and bring in the New World Order anyway.

Even if Drake is on the right track and there really is a contingent of 146 countries who want the same thing as you and I and almost everyone here at Avalon do, there is still the potential that this is a false flag. The elite we are attempting to unseat are ruthless psychopaths and do not reason, and will eat their own children to accomplish their goal. The foe we are attempting to unseat is not going to go quietly into the night, and I don't buy for a minute that they are "on the ropes" and losing their position of power.

How can they be losing their power if they own and control everything? So what if they owe a bunch of old dynastic families trillions in gold that they cannot pay and they've been "liened" and asked to stop doing what they have been doing for thousands of years. They DO NOT CARE about any of that crap because they truly believe that they are the gods of this planet, they own it, and everything on it is just chattel for their enjoyment and use.

The rules do not apply to them and they could give a crap less about them. So, unless we claim our sovereignty, stand in solidarity against them with enough energy to change that paradigm, it's going to take awhile. A handful of Fulford Ninja's, or even the military is not enough. It requires enough energy of the people to WANT to be sovereign.

In regards to sovereignty, I recommend you grab your favorite libation and set aside a few hours and watch the movie Avatar. Also, listen to the one hour with Santos Bonacci I have linked in last nights thread started here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44798-Sovereignty-Rule-of-Law-Drake-and-A-New-Paradigm&p=483277#post483277

Lover ya Stan, really do.

[tenacity1]

I came to this forum because I had heard it was a positive place. Looking at all the hoopla over Drake just makes me wonder.. I've always said that the only thing that separates the far left and the far right is semantics. I stand by that. Cynicism and constant picking at something because you can to attempt to discredit what could be the best thing to happen to this country since God only knows when... is just negativity.that's wht the media and Faux news has done from day one. Has anyone cosidered that there might well be COINTEL pro advocates here putting out negativity to dissuade folks from having hope. If it smells of fear I back away...
. why not take a wait and see attitude, why not give the man the benefit of the doubt.. why not listen and really hear his vocal intonations etc.. The more I am online the more I want to hang out with my garden. Nothing personal nothing derogatory..just my preferences. Spinach is at least nourishing..

[Chester]

In the case of the lie, it was a lie. You can say it was a justified lie.
Whether it was a lie or not depends on what the question was.

If you ask me if I am a student at Reed College, I can truthfully answer a plain and simple "no". No need for me to explain my past.

If you ask if I was ever a student at Reed College, I would answer truthfully "yes".

In a complex interaction (with a bit of pink smoke) it might be unobvious which question Drake answered with his simple "no".

With my lousy hearing, I have no way, short of a careful and complete transcript, to know what question Drake was answering. And as I say, it might not even be obvious in this case with a good hearing or a good transcript.

Thank You, Paul... was the position I always took on the matter. I thought the constant labeling of Drake as a "liar" was a terrible disservice to our posting community.

[wynderer]

Drake sounds so much like Draco -- & then there's the 'Dragon' /Reptilian thing -- the Dracos are having fun w/y'all, imo -- they like to see how gullible Humans are

PS -- also a good diversion from the fact that your planet is being nuked

[Chester]

In the case of the lie, it was a lie. You can say it was a justified lie.
Whether it was a lie or not depends on what the question was.

If you ask me if I am a student at Reed College, I can truthfully answer a plain and simple "no".


But if you then threatened to set the bullyboys of Reed College on to a person for revealing that you were once a student there, wouldn't that imply that there is still an assocation with Reed College ...maybe through the Alumni, at least? ;)

Of all the excellent posts you have made and your quite vast knowledge of the past and your acumen as a shaman, it really surprises me how important it is that you label Drake a "liar." It truly has taken on the flair of a witch hunt Ishtar and I say that with truly great respect... I have learned a lot from you and you have helped me raise my awareness and consciousness a lot. This seems so out of character for you. Anyway, I appreciate your input regardless of my agreement on this one.

[NancyV]

My take on Drake's talk from yesterday, 5/6, is that he's threatening only Kerry, Camelot, posters on Camelot and staff, at least from the talk yesterday. I don't know if he's threatened anyone on Avalon, but the absurdity of his threatened lawsuit means he could threaten anyone who has posted against him or defamed him, in his mind.

This is the first 11 minutes of the talk yesterday (for those who won't or can't listen to it) where he dealt with the potential for the lawsuits, the dragon societies, etc.


Deatra (not Teri) talks in the intro about Drake not being god or the messiah. Then she talks about clearing up info about the blog written on Camelot. She then asks him to address that post. She says he’s not the only one they’ve demonized and victimized.

Drake says: “some of the information is correct. Information-wise they’ve made a couple of glaring errors. One of the things I see that they really are adept at doing is creating controversy by taking a snip out of somebody’s overall conversation and saying “SEE, I told you he was nasty!” sort of thing. Clearly childish in some ways but it put an interesting political spin on it.

Now…I was a member of a group of veterans called the Vietnam Brotherhood. They state in that post that I was the founder of it, which I AM NOT. Now…what they don’t know is that these people are very sensitive about that and I’ll be surprised if they don’t file in conjunction with me the lawsuit that’s probably gonna come at you.

The second part of this is where they accuse me of being an Illuminati. I really take issue with that because I am not a baby torturing thingamabob that most of the Illuminati are. They accuse me of this because I at one time was affiliated with a group known as Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon. Now…anybody that’s done any homework, listened to anything and paid attention at all has heard of the White Dragon Society. They have heard of the Families. That’s what this pertains to. It does not have diddly squat to do with the Illuminati.

The Illuminati won't go near those people for one fact; their orders from the higher ups in those groups to dismember them on sight. And I guarantee you, I know a few of these people and they are very much capable of doing just exactly that.

Now, I asked to post on the website [Camelot] as a response to what they’ve posted. I had to register so that I could post. It takes 3 days to a week or so, or whenever they feel like it to authorize my capability to post on that website. Okay, well…the problem with that is that whenever you come out with intentionally misleading and blatantly, knowingly false information and you broadcast it on a website that covers areas that go across state lines, it’s not a local defamation of character, traffic ticket deal…it goes to federal court! Within the realms of the Federal Government, which I don’t like very much anyway, but might serve a purpose… there are things called terrorism that I don’t think you want to deal with, in terms of that website. [Camelo]. Some of the things that have been posted, some of the things that have been done there recently under it’s present management in control, are such that both cans of worms are opened. Both the litigation and to the summary removal of the website for activities opposite the betterment or continuation or continuity of government. So….you may be in a lot more trouble than you think.

I have not considered yet whether I am going to take these actions. I’m considering how and to what extent I want to take it. The individuals who are on the website, the individuals who posted, all of the people who can allow access to the website will all be held responsible in the case that I decide to litigate this. I’m presently seeking the advice and counsel of some legalists who are some of the finest in the world. We’ll see what their recommendation is. One of the things that I will not tolerate is that type of fun and games.

I do not propose to retaliate any further than this, IF it’s made available, and that is that I’m allowed to post corrections to that website on that specific proposition. And without the “I think so and maybe we’ll think about allowing you to post” part of it, as the admin that I talked to via email expressed in a permanent attachment to that particular post of my counter proposals to what was posted.

Now, I have talked to a couple of people and they’re having a little trouble correlating Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon with the Dragon Family. This goes to a secret society, royal bloodline that are the ones who kept the collateral accounts safe. Now that’s pretty awesome if you think about it. This is what we’re fighting against the present economic system about. These people have been stealing, leveraging, borrowing from these collateral accounts for years. Not only do they owe that but they also owe a per annum fee for portions of the allowed usage of the collateral accounts. At this point they cannot pay.

Well, the problem with the combination of that is the Illuminati would love to get their skinners on those accounts, simply so that they can continue to suppress the people. And the efforts of the website [Camelot] tend to show that these people seem to like that idea or they would not denigrate someone without doing research. Now, the research is simple. Anybody whose got a computer can look up the Vietnam Brotherhood and see that I’m not the owner. They don’t got one. And I was not the founder. I joined long after they started. Number two: anybody with a computer…and ya’know, you gotta be able to type a little bit, like L O R D …when you put that into the computer…Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon…look at the Royal Dragon society and then you’ll understand…because it is a loyalty oath to the morality involved in the lives lead by the people who were responsible, not only to but also for other people. For their betterment, to make sure their lives were not too unbearable. And this was done in a variety of ways and has been for thousands of years.

So you have denigrated the Dragon families and the people associated with them and this process. I’ll be in touch with them in the next couple of days to find out what they want to do about it. Now whether they take this personally or decide to do this publically, I don’t know yet. If it’s a public decision then this will probably go through the courts. If it’s a private decision, you might as well pack your bags and leave town. And that’s basically where this sits at this point.

I’m not personally going to address this other than officially from now on. By officially, that’s either through the courts or attorneys, attachments, etc. and things of this nature. As I said, when somebody tries to put me in bed with people that torture babies to death because they like to hear their squeals…it turns them on when they hear that noise… I don’t take [that] too kindly. Those people responsible, from my point of view at this point, should be held responsible for what they’ve done and I intend to see to it that they have a price to pay for their actions. And that’s basically all I’ve got to say on that subject."

[Ishtar]

In the case of the lie, it was a lie. You can say it was a justified lie.
Whether it was a lie or not depends on what the question was.

If you ask me if I am a student at Reed College, I can truthfully answer a plain and simple "no".


But if you then threatened to set the bullyboys of Reed College on to a person for revealing that you were once a student there, wouldn't that imply that there is still an assocation with Reed College ...maybe through the Alumni, at least? ;)

Of all the excellent posts you have made and your quite vast knowledge of the past and your acumen as a shaman, it really surprises me how important it is that you label Drake a "liar." It truly has taken on the flair of a witch hunt Ishtar and I say that with truly great respect... I have learned a lot from you and you have helped me raise my awareness and consciousness a lot. This seems so out of character for you. Anyway, I appreciate your input regardless of my agreement on this one.

You replied to Paul's earlier post but there is a later one. I suggest you read my reply to Paul and Paul's further reply to me before labelling me as a someone on a witchhunt.

I am someone who has seen many Drakes in her life, and I know where what he is suggesting will lead ... there will be an enormous sacrifice for very little change, and I should have thought that how Drake has behaved in recent days should show you what sort of man he is. His default button is to bullying threats and violence ... he longs for the firing squads. He has threatened to shoot one person on sight. This man has a lot of pent up vengeance, and I can hear it in his voice. He is not a man that we should follow because we would be like lemmings going over the cliff. It has also been shown, from his words in last night's radio show, that he didn't tell the truth about his association with the White Dragon family.

I have been very honest and upfront about my opposition to Drake from the get-go and I've explained why, many many times.. .and I don't propose to repeat it all again here. You should listen to your own intuition. For me to go on a witch-hunt would be totally out of character ... you're right... so there has to be another reason.

[Chester]

In the case of the lie, it was a lie. You can say it was a justified lie.
Whether it was a lie or not depends on what the question was.

If you ask me if I am a student at Reed College, I can truthfully answer a plain and simple "no".


But if you then threatened to set the bullyboys of Reed College on to a person for revealing that you were once a student there, wouldn't that imply that there is still an assocation with Reed College ...maybe through the Alumni, at least? ;)

Of all the excellent posts you have made and your quite vast knowledge of the past and your acumen as a shaman, it really surprises me how important it is that you label Drake a "liar." It truly has taken on the flair of a witch hunt Ishtar and I say that with truly great respect... I have learned a lot from you and you have helped me raise my awareness and consciousness a lot. This seems so out of character for you. Anyway, I appreciate your input regardless of my agreement on this one.

You replied to Paul's earlier post but there is a later one. I suggest you read my reply to Paul and Paul's further reply to me before labelling me as a someone on a witchhunt.

I am someone who has seen many Drakes in her life, and I know where what he is suggesting will lead ... there will be an enormous sacrifice for very little change, and I should have thought that how Drake has behaved in recent days should show you what sort of man he is. His default button is to bullying threats and violence ... he longs for the firing squads. He has threatened to shoot one person on sight. This man has a lot of pent up vengeance, and I can hear it in his voice. He is not a man that we should follow because we would be like lemmings going over the cliff. It has also been shown, from his words in last night's radio show, that he didn't tell the truth about his association with the White Dragon family.

I have been very honest and upfront about my opposition to Drake from the get-go and I've explained why, many many times.. .and I don't propose to repeat it all again here. You should listen to your own intuition. For me to go on a witch-hunt would be totally out of character ... you're right... so there has to be another reason.

Ishtar, in part due to your posts, I have also further contemplated the what ifs if this Plan actually goes publicly operational and I have serious concerns - there very well be "an enormous sacrifice for very little change" - absolutely! All I am saying to you is that this "point" that he is a "liar" and that it goes on and on takes away from the good points you make! We aren't idiots here, we can see what he is or isn't as he puts himself in front of us all several times a week and for hours at a time. But also, you seem so hell bent to have others here agree with you as to the technical possibility "he lied" that it truly begins to look like a witch hunt. If you would move on from this and focus on the truly important possibilities that Drake may very well be a spokesman for a group that may very well try and pull off this action and what that could all mean for us then you are being super helpful.

I have my serious concerns about this action taking place. I do not see the rhetoric emulating my view as to how these "bad guys" should be handled nor if some type of "mass arrest" action is the right way to go.

And if this plan did indeed go publicly operational, I am very, very, very concerned that the new folks in charge would take improper actions against those they arrest. In fact, I think they simply allow the non earthly beings an easy escape route which allows them to find new hosts and probably find them right here on the very planet these Planners are trying to save!

Let's move on from this "liar" thing and focus on the truly important factors and possibilities about this plan thing. There's clearly some folks on board on this. The planners may go to the next stages. It may actually become a true, public event and that event may not go so well, indeed may be the worst thing that could possibly happen. Let's focus on those matters.

Opposition is one thing - all your valid points - especially the points that make Drake a little bit scary are very very very valid... but to base your opposition on him being a liar when its easy for others to see he is not technically a liar makes all your great points secondary and they should be primary.

[xbusymom]

My take on Drake's talk from yesterday, 5/6, is that he's threatening only Kerry, Camelot, posters on Camelot and staff, at least from the talk yesterday. I don't know if he's threatened anyone on Avalon, but the absurdity of his threatened lawsuit means he could threaten anyone who has posted against him or defamed him, in his mind.

This is the first 11 minutes of the talk yesterday (for those who won't or can't listen to it) where he dealt with the potential for the lawsuits, the dragon societies, etc.



My apologies... (In the interest of space- wont copy the transcript again)... but after re-reading it... just - WOW! His train of thought does seem to be sooo "birdshot" as to be almost un-follow-able.

[Ishtar]

justoneman, there you go again... trying to make me be what you want me to be.

This seems to be an obsession with you.

I am not going to change to suit you.

I am me. I am happy with the decisions I make.

You will have to take it or leave it.

[joedjemal]

Two depictions of the same event?

Here, we know of Drake's take on it.

Now, here is the other side of the same coin from Stan Deyo site (http://standeyo.com/NEWS/12_USA/120504.Hagmann.warning.html):


May 4, 2012
Douglas J. Hagmann
Hagmann Investigative Services, Inc. and Northeast Intelligence Network (http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/)



1ST PAGE

Civil war is coming to the US, and there's no stopping it
DHS prepping for economic collapse and money will be worthless.
Never seen it this bad; everyone is talking about what they personally will do.
DHS brass don't care and are conducting overt actions in plain sight. Most incoming troops are not for training (some are) but as part of a larger force.
All know BHO (Barack Hussein Obama) is constitutionally illegitimate.
All in Congress know this, and their families are being threatened to keep them quiet.
High level News Corp. people talked to the highest at DHS and TSA. The plan is to get people conditioned to seeing troops, paramilitary – get them conditioned to being searched.
Dollar will collapse – that will be the bigger event. The trigger event starts in Europe and then heads here. When we see that – start counting because we have only days left.
Bernanke / Geitner / top level bankers will be in hiding.
Election year – watch BHO's body language. Does he look afraid of not getting elected? "WTF wake up."
2ND PAGE

Then race riots, class riots.
Farrakhan is on DIA payroll and he will help start these riots.
Then Civil War, not sporadic riots and uprisings here and there.
There will be no food – no ETMs – no gas.
People will RUN to camps for assistance.
Guns must be abandoned and left with police in order to get food.
BHO & Bernanke are behind every stupid economic move.
Something with China troops here, but China debt to be called in – 5.5 trillion total.
Rosebud: How easy will will it be to quell 300+ million people?
No, the question is: How easy will it be to quell 300+ STARVING people who are unprepared?
Shoot to kill orders during collapse will be given to the police.
End of meeting
More later. Said next meeting 5 May (Sat.) outside of DC. Call Sunday.

******************************************************
Corroborating event: Newly elected French president Francois Hollande is working at dumpimg the US dollar and at joining the BRICS nations (see: France to join BRICS nations? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44825-France-to-join-BRICS-nations))

Are both real?

One disinfo of the other?

Which one?

Both disinfo?


The stuff about the collapse looks correct to me. I've been watching it unfold in depth since 2003. I have no idea how the current authorities intend to deal with it but some things have become apparent.

The collapse is inherent in the nature of current systems and cannot be avoided. (It could have been with a major change in direction in the 70's but any viable solution would have destroyed the elites power so it seems that they decided to let things roll on)

They've known it was coming for quite a long time although I don't think they planned it, they found themselves in a trap of their own making. From personal experience discussion of the true situation in a public forum is extremely aggressively silenced.

They obviously have contingency plans to react to it as we can see with the not so subtle imposition of crypto martial law pretty much everywhere on the planet, this event is global in scope.

They seem to have no plans to assist the general population through this difficult period (quite to the contrary, here in the UK the vulnerable are already being abandoned)

The key collapse occurred in 2007/08 and everything since then has been patch up stuff to keep it going a bit longer but the makeshift repairs are now failing. The final collapse is likely to be extremely rapid and could start any day now.

This is an extremely unpopular message and it is virtually certain that a number of the hopium addicts will find a whole raft of weird and wonderful but spurious reasons why it cannot be.

Turiya in an earlier post was quite right. They won't be taken down by a coup but by their own unsustainable systems. How many survive it will largely depend on how people react at an intensely local level and how many of them have effectively prepared. Cities will probably become extremely dangerous places. I won't spend more than a few hours in one these days.

Anyone relying on external saviours (without real world evidence for their existence) will likely be disappointed. Societal collapses involving large scale famines have been frequent in history, and there were no aliens to help them. You're more likely to get a meal off me if we aren't destroyed by desperate starving people.

I think this Drake thing is just another displacement exercise by people who can't bear looking at the world as it really is.

Yes I believe in spirituallity and that we're all one and yes we're about to evolve but that tend to happen by selection through cataclysm rather than some poorly defined ascension process making magical changes to our genes.

Sorry if I offend but that's the way I see it.

[turiya]

Hey NancyV,

Yes, it seems to me his reaction is misdirected towards Project Camelot. If you do a google search with certain search terms, such as "Vietnam Brotherhood", "Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon.", "Drake", you will find that it will come to Vivek's post in the Project Avalon forum.

turiya


My take on Drake's talk from yesterday, 5/6, is that he's threatening only Kerry, Camelot, posters on Camelot and staff, at least from the talk yesterday. I don't know if he's threatened anyone on Avalon, but the absurdity of his threatened lawsuit means he could threaten anyone who has posted against him or defamed him, in his mind.

This is the first 11 minutes of the talk yesterday (for those who won't or can't listen to it) where he dealt with the potential for the lawsuits, the dragon societies, etc.

[Hervé]

Two depictions of the same event?

[...]




The stuff about the collapse looks correct to me. I've been watching it unfold in depth since 2003. I have no idea how the current authorities intend to deal with it but some things have become apparent.

[...]

I think this Drake thing is just another displacement exercise by people who can't bear looking at the world as it really is.

Yes I believe in spirituallity and that we're all one and yes we're about to evolve but that tend to happen by selection through cataclysm rather than some poorly defined ascension process making magical changes to our genes.

Sorry if I offend but that's the way I see it.Thanks for picking up the ball, Joe.

I find it quite revealing that my initial post is left unacknowledged...like something the cat just brought in. :)

No offense taken from this quarter.

[Chester]

justoneman, there you go again... trying to make me be what you want me to be.

This seems to be an obsession with you.

I am not going to change to suit you.

I am me. I am happy with the decisions I make.

You will have to take it or leave it.

we were asked to take this to PMs

[StarDust]

Hey NancyV,

Yes, it seems to me his reaction is misdirected towards Project Camelot. If you do a google search with certain search terms, such as "Vietnam Brotherhood", "Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon.", "Drake", you will find that it will come to Vivek's post in the Project Avalon forum.

turiya

He is precisely targeting Vivek's post. There is no mistaking it.

[Ishtar]

Thanks for picking up the ball, Joe.

I find it quite revealing that my initial post is left unacknowledged...like something the cat just brought in. :)

No offense taken from this quarter.

Aaaaw, sorry Amzer Zo. It was a good post and I was still absorbing it ... there was quite a lot to take on and then go "Wow! Is this really gonna happen?". The scenario is so bleak that it's hard to accept. Then I noticed it was written a few days ago, and that they've had another meeting since... and so I was wondering what was happening with that.

But certainly I didn't regard it as something the cat dragged in! Quite the reverse....(I'm still reeling!). :o

[xbusymom]

Turiya:
The biggest surprise of my recent life came when George Bush Jr. was elected for his second term. My jaw dropped upon learning that most people in America could not see the man for what he was.
Apparently, most people cannot see through the rhetoric.

How do you know the people were not aware of that... maybe it was just that the voting machines were under his spell and made the decision for us humans??

[Hervé]

[...]... and so I was wondering what was happening with that.



So was I...

It can be found here: http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46516



Obama administration, including his czars and his closest Progressive supporters, are planning a manufactured insurgency against America. Using the media to garner both sympathy and support for his unfinished goals.

The planned re-election of Obama, revolutionary style

[...]

New Information

Astounded by the information my source provided “going viral,” I spoke to him again early Sunday morning.

[...]

“I can tell you word is getting out that people are starting to wake up, which is causing a lot of ‘pissed off brass.’ I can’t tell if they are more desperate or upset about the exposure, but the tone is starting to become a lot more tense. I hope that we’re having something to do with that,” he added.

With that, he provided me with additional information to supplement that which he already given me on 25 April. For clarity purposes, I have combined the information together from both contacts. The following information includes the updated information provided to me Sunday morning.

[...]


Full article: http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46516

[wynderer]

just reminding you all about Dragons & their connection to Reptilians, & that your planet is being nuked while you all discuss a missive from a Dragon guy

-- from Drake:

So you have denigrated the Dragon families and the people associated with them and this process. I’ll be in touch with them in the next couple of days to find out what they want to do about it. Now whether they take this personally or decide to do this publically, I don’t know yet. If it’s a public decision then this will probably go through the courts. If it’s a private decision, you might as well pack your bags and leave town. And that’s basically where this sits at this point.

[joedjemal]

I have no knowledge of Obama plots Amzer, the collapse is systemic in nature but you can bet there'll be a whole raft of psychopathic types itching to use it for their own advantage as the rules that constrain their behaviour will be gone. Our biggest problem apart from the lack of food, water and medicines will be local wannabe warlords.

[ThePythonicCow]

Two depictions of the same event?

Here, we know of Drake's take on it.

Now, here is the other side of the same coin from Stan Deyo site (http://standeyo.com/NEWS/12_USA/120504.Hagmann.warning.html):

Thanks, Amzer Zo.

I recall warnings of George W. Bush canceling elections, when he ran for his second term. So, as I am sure I don't need to remind anyone, such warnings don't always bear fruit.

However, from what I've seen of those crazy b*st*rds in Washington, they're more than sufficiently crazy to attempt something like you report from Stan Deyo. If they do, I'll wager that any web site that is showing itself useful in helping people stay informed will be shutdown or unusable.

[NancyV]

just reminding you all about Dragons & their connection to Reptilians, & that your planet is being nuked while you all discuss a missive from a Dragon guy

-- from Drake:

So you have denigrated the Dragon families and the people associated with them and this process. I’ll be in touch with them in the next couple of days to find out what they want to do about it. Now whether they take this personally or decide to do this publically, I don’t know yet. If it’s a public decision then this will probably go through the courts. If it’s a private decision, you might as well pack your bags and leave town. And that’s basically where this sits at this point.
Wynderer if the planet is being nuked then we might as well have fun in the meantime. Personally, instead of lamenting and crying I would prefer to fiddle while Rome burns. If anyone thinks they can change things and chooses to do so, more power to them. They are free to enjoy life in any way that pleases them while they are here. If we all die of radiation poisoning, it's on to the next adventure. Yay!! I'm excited!

[NancyV]

I have no knowledge of Obama plots Amzer, the collapse is systemic in nature but you can bet there'll be a whole raft of psychopathic types itching to use it for their own advantage as the rules that constrain their behaviour will be gone. Our biggest problem apart from the lack of food, water and medicines will be local wannabe warlords.
Might be good to watch MAD MAX again for a refresher of what the psycho types are like. That kind of a world could be a lot of fun! (if one is a psycho).

[RMorgan]

from Drake:

So you have denigrated the Dragon families and the people associated with them and this process. I’ll be in touch with them in the next couple of days to find out what they want to do about it. Now whether they take this personally or decide to do this publically, I don’t know yet. If it’s a public decision then this will probably go through the courts. If it’s a private decision, you might as well pack your bags and leave town. And that’s basically where this sits at this point.

Ohhhh! I´m soooo afraid of the Dragon family!!!

Jokes apart, Drake isn´t helping to increase his credibility making such kind of childish menaces.

Cheers,

Raf.

[wynderer]

Hi NancyV [belated Happy Birthday] -- i like your 'Better to burn out & not fade away' attitude -- i hope i face what is coming in the same sprit as the character Woody Harrelson played in '2012' --



just reminding you all about Dragons & their connection to Reptilians, & that your planet is being nuked while you all discuss a missive from a Dragon guy

Wynderer if the planet is being nuked then we might as well have fun in the meantime. Personally, instead of lamenting and crying I would prefer to fiddle while Rome burns. If anyone thinks they can change things and chooses to do so, more power to them. They are free to enjoy life in any way that pleases them while they are here. If we all die of radiation poisoning, it's on to the next adventure. Yay!! I'm excited!

[ThePythonicCow]

My take on Drake's talk from yesterday, 5/6, is that he's threatening only Kerry, Camelot, posters on Camelot and staff, at least from the talk yesterday. I don't know if he's threatened anyone on Avalon, but the absurdity of his threatened lawsuit means he could threaten anyone who has posted against him or defamed him, in his mind.

This is the first 11 minutes of the talk yesterday (for those who won't or can't listen to it) where he dealt with the potential for the lawsuits, the dragon societies, etc.


Drake says:... IF it’s made available, and that is that I’m allowed to post corrections to that website on that specific proposition. And without the “I think so and maybe we’ll think about allowing you to post” part of it, as the admin that I talked to via email expressed ...
I am that admin of whom he speaks. Those quoted words are not exactly mine ... but a more scornful paraphrase of mine. My words had a more straight forward business like tone.

Drake apparently has Camelot and Avalon confused.

[Hervé]

I have no knowledge of Obama plots Amzer, the collapse is systemic in nature but you can bet there'll be a whole raft of psychopathic types itching to use it for their own advantage as the rules that constrain their behaviour will be gone. Our biggest problem apart from the lack of food, water and medicines will be local wannabe warlords.

Yep, New World Gangs of all kinds emulating feudal days of old while the "elite" are eating non-GMO popcorn in the balconies.

[YvonneG]

I came to this forum because I had heard it was a positive place. Looking at all the hoopla over Drake just makes me wonder.. I've always said that the only thing that separates the far left and the far right is semantics. I stand by that. Cynicism and constant picking at something because you can to attempt to discredit what could be the best thing to happen to this country since God only knows when... is just negativity.that's wht the media and Faux news has done from day one. Has anyone cosidered that there might well be COINTEL pro advocates here putting out negativity to dissuade folks from having hope. If it smells of fear I back away...
. why not take a wait and see attitude, why not give the man the benefit of the doubt.. why not listen and really hear his vocal intonations etc.. The more I am online the more I want to hang out with my garden. Nothing personal nothing derogatory..just my preferences. Spinach is at least nourishing..

Well, Tenacity1, this is a wonderful way to say how I feel, except I am in a major information overload and it actually makes me a little ill to even come on here I am sad to say. Since I also sometimes have to receive the wasted energy of ranting and debating what we actually can only wait and see what is so, I will soon probably not come back at all. I come to check my PMs and will for a week or so after that, I see no reason to do this. I feel anyone that wanted to connect with me has already done that.

The constant twisting of what is said by either side is insane and I wonder just how insane I have become be part of it ever so slightly in a effort to for example say what was actually said on a show of Drakes. People misquote, misspeak and then have a back and forth about what was not said anyway..

All the best...

[gripreaper]

This is one of the scenario's being bantered about too:

We are in the End Times – the most glorious time in the history of earth and mankind. The End Times are the Times of Ascension of this planet and most human beings to the 5th dimension, which is the “Paradise” promised to humans by all religions.

Humans will be able to overcome in the course of this and next year the physical death and transform of their biological bodies to crystalline light bodies. The human race will be transmuted in the blink of an eye to a transgalactic multidimensional civilization with highly expanded consciousness. Humans will again become Gods, as they always are as pure souls in the higher realms. from where they incarnate on earth.

This is the Divine Plan for this planet and human race in the current End Times.

Well? BS?

[RMorgan]

This is one of the scenario's being bantered about too:

We are in the End Times – the most glorious time in the history of earth and mankind. The End Times are the Times of Ascension of this planet and most human beings to the 5th dimension, which is the “Paradise” promised to humans by all religions.

Humans will be able to overcome in the course of this and next year the physical death and transform of their biological bodies to crystalline light bodies. The human race will be transmuted in the blink of an eye to a transgalactic multidimensional civilization with highly expanded consciousness. Humans will again become Gods, as they always are as pure souls in the higher realms. from where they incarnate on earth.

This is the Divine Plan for this planet and human race in the current End Times.

Well? BS?

This is a beautiful scenario and I would be very happy, in fact, it would be the happiest day of my life, if something like this happened.

However, this prediction is too big to be accurate, coming from any human mouth.

So, this scenario itself isn´t BS, but the person who says with 100% conviction that this will happen is full of BS.

This scenario could happen tomorrow, next year, 200 years from now, or never.

Which human being could say what´s the divine plan, or even if there´s any divine plan with certainty?

Cheers,

Raf.

[Jeffrey]

Hello everybody. I have been watching patiently while I decided what I wanted to post. I think there is much to be said.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44252-Who-is-DRAKE-The-Loyal-Order-of-the-Royal-Dragon&p=483938&viewfull=1#post483938

Here I have clarified one thing and merely reiterated what has already been emphasized but is still being ignored by many. I have also requested further clarification regarding certain information.

[SKAWF]

Hello everybody. I have been watching patiently while I decided what I wanted to post. I think there is much to be said.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44252-Who-is-DRAKE-The-Loyal-Order-of-the-Royal-Dragon&p=483938&viewfull=1#post483938

Here I have clarified one thing and merely reiterated what has already been emphasized but is still being ignored by many. I have also requested further clarification regarding certain information.

to me, that pic looks like it was drawn by someone who saw a few symbols online, and tried to have a go themselves. there's no arrangement.
usually, there is so much encoded into stuff like that, it has to be almost perfect in its layout. whereas that pic fails on a basic level.
what response other than laughter, and a loss in credibilty, are you hoping to gain by it?.
(i will look so stupid if it turns out to be their official logo!)
and it does seem that you're climbing down slightly from the potency of your original assertions, while making it look like your holding your position.
at least, thats how it seems to me. i'm happy to be corrected on that.

can i ask you if you are completely happy with the assertions you originally made, or,
was there anything you said, that on reflection maybe should have been looked at a bit deeper before posting?

this isnt meant as an attack on you or your post, and i hope it wont be taken as one.

cheers

[modwiz]

Two depictions of the same event?

Yes, basically.




Are both real?

Yes, again. Each person is speaking what they are hearing. They do appear to be sitting in different camps. Not difficult to conceive or imagine.
I am glad for both views. I can carry these two largely parallel scenarios and find utility with them. Very useful if you are not looking to pigeonhole things or looking for surety. Waking up tomorrow isn't even a surety for me. Or anybody for that matter, truth be told. High probability though, IMO.

A final thought here: I do not view Drake or anybody as a savior. I view them as sources of information and it is left to me to decide the quality and veracity of that information. There is nothing more important for me than to know what I am possibly going to do in various unfolding of things. I feel relatively centered and at peace despite knowing events will happen suddenly and shock waves will rip through our population, producing myriad effects. Some of them will be horrific. The horror will come from both sides and fear will be the primary cause of it.

Finally: I am very comfortable with the idea that a sizable part of our military wants to be true to the oath they took to protect this country for all enemies foreign and domestic. It is from the MSM and other disinfo sources that the seeds of a murderous military, willing to fire upon their own citizens, are found. Whoever echoes the propaganda of the MSM in the promotion of fear exposes their alliance, IMO. Even if it is an unwitting alliance. Conspiracy means to breathe together. One does not need to compare notes to breathe together. There just needs be a common psychology.

[Christine]

For the record: Drake sent the mods an aggressive message yesterday morning, pertaining to part of Vivek's researched information about him. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44252-Who-is-DRAKE-The-Loyal-Order-of-the-Royal-Dragon) He insisted on the right to reply and correct. He did not state what he was aggrieved about.

I recommended to the mods that they should write back with courtesy and invite Drake to submit a statement that we would publish (as long as it was a proper refutation, and didn't in itself contain anything inflammatory or was otherwise contrary to Forum protocols) -- i.e. the proper professional protocol for all media. We've not yet heard back from him. I am happy to defer totally to the mods' judgment on all these and other associated matters.

This from Kerry Cassidy's blog. I am wondering just how well informed Drake is about anything.

***

HEY DRAKE,

The SITE you are talking about is not Project Camelot. You are talking about Project Avalon. That is a what is called a FORUM. I and Project Camelot have nothing to do with Project Avalon. Comments about you posted on Avalon are done by Forum members and there is a disclaimer posted on all forums that the owners are not responsible for the opinions of those posting.

PROJECT AVALON is owned and run by Bill Ryan. Bill Ryan and I split up our collaboration on Project Camelot in January of 2010. If you want to sue him (which is ludicrious) he is English! And lives in Vilacabamba. So good luck. Further he is not responsible for the opinions or postings of forum members.

Try getting your facts right. That would go a long way to making you guys worth listening to... Lying about me and Project Camelot is useless.

--Kerry Cassidy
Project Camelot

The following link is exactly what I have written in response to Drake's interview with David Wilcock and has nothing to do with what some other person wrote who did investigation of Drake on Project Avalon.

And just for the record, David Wilcock is a friend of mine and has been notified of your lies.

http://projectcamelotportal.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=31&Itemid=218

[panopticon]

G'day All,

I have stayed away from this as it seemed from the outset to be at best a US internal domestic affair and at worst the usual run around.
It would appear (from the few posts that I've read) that the "go-to guy" in this logistics operation, who is the coordinator of some rather powerful groups, cares what some people on an internet forum have to say abut him.

WTF? I'll sue you for defamation etc?

Come on.

That is not what I'd expect from a member (or associate) of a secret group aimed at some form of Government "re-organisation" with armed support.

What I don't understand, and please do correct me if I'm wrong here, is that this appears to be about re-affirming the US vision of "Democracy" (ie Representative Democracy) that, by its very essence, centralises power.

When power is centralised in the hands of the few then corruption occurs. Simple. Always has, reckon it always will. Lord Acton said it well:

Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority: still more when you superadd the tendency or certainty of corruption by full authority. There is no worse heresy than the fact that the office sanctifies the holder of it.
Just curious what sort of legislation is being discussed in the US Government at the moment:

H.R. 2072: Securing American Jobs Through Exports Act of 2011 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr2072) (which re-authorises the Export-Import Bank of the United States (AKA Ex-Im Bank) and raises it's lending ceiling to $140 Billion US)
H.R. 4133: United States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr4133). This is mentioned in the report for the US Congress by CRS titled 'U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel (http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf)' in which it states:

On March 5, 2012, House lawmakers introduced H.R. 4133, the United States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012. If passed, this bill would, among other things, allocate additional weaponry and munitions for the forward-deployed United States stockpile in Israel; provide Israel additional surplus defense articles and defense services, as appropriate, in the wake of the withdrawal of United States forces from Iraq; expand Israel's authority to make purchases under the Foreign Military Financing program on a commercial basis; encourage an expanded role for Israel within the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), including an enhanced presence at NATO headquarters and exercises; support extension of the long-standing loan guarantee program for Israel, recognizing Israel's unbroken record of repaying its loans on time and in full; and require the President to submit a report on the status of Israel's qualitative military edge in light of current trends and instability in the region.

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

Further Reading:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/07/us-usa-exportimport-idUSBRE8460NB20120507
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-04/house-leaders-agree-on-extending-export-import-bank-authority.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/sns-mct-rep.-larsen-looks-for-support-on-export-import-20120503,0,6705063.story
http://www.davidduke.com/?p=33579
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr2072
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr4133

[we-R-one]

oh boy...this thing is starting to unravel....I'm not surprised. My heart goes out to those who had high hopes that this was actually going somewhere.

[KiwiElf]

To answer a few questions (from the Drake audio 2012-05-06B-FR-WSR-with-Deatra-and-Drake-part2.mp3) sum up:

Asked if Obama was a good guy or bad guy: Drake - He might be a "switcheroonie"

Asked if Ron Paul knew about "this" [referring to operation]. Drake - Yes!

Timing for Mass Arrests: Still on schedule

Related threads:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44771-Bill-Brockbrader-s-take-on-mass-arrests

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41059-Massive-Bank-and-High-Profile-Resignations-Across-the-World&p=484075#post484075

[Bo Atkinson]

I'm not using the ignore list function, but instead skim quickly through this forum for consciousness inspiring links.

Drake broadcasts represented some country segments of America, openly integrating wider cultural alliances, (along with expectations of catching deviant crooks in power)...

Good so far, until his last broadcast. Which for me failed the Jesusonian test miserably-- That is, he strongly asserted disintegration of alliances, made earlier. In addition to some sort of actual threats, which he asserted, at length in his last broadcast.

Not that i was following all the complexities of related threads here either.

Show me the conscience.

[Billy]

Hi guys i have been away for a while up the mountains with nature and trying to catch up.

I have just listened to Drakes radio Audio.

It appears some here are taking Drake's words way out of context, Listen to the audio again.

His gripe is not with Avalon or the thread that Vivek created, In fact he compliments the thread and the research and the feedback from most of the members
who responded on that thread. He is pissed off that a few of members have twisted his truth. Calling him a liar when he answered his own truth. There are a few untruths he would like to put right.

Give him the space to do this.

Hi BillyJi

Maybe that mountain air has gone to your head...I don't know, but you seem to be listening to a different radio show than I and others did, in which Drake states very clearly that his beef is about the LORD being associated with the Illuminati. So unless you have a personal line to him, and he's moving the goalposts, he is threatening to sue this website, this forum and just about anyone who posted in that thread.

So could you say from where you gained the impression you gave above?


The man needs to get a grip.

I assure you ishtar that the Scottish mountain air is very good for clearing the cobwebs from the head. you should try it sometime. I gained my impression by listening. I have transcribed what i perceived to hear below for you. and anyone else who has hearing difficulties. continuing on from the already
completed first 11 mins, The first few comments are roughly transcripted when Dave comes in but Drake's is more detailed
My comments are in brackets. peace

Dave comes in

and says Kerry was interviewed by Chris Vortex on revolution radio and ignored his comments in the chat room.

Dave says last week Project Avalon and Camalot were served with multi million lawsuits.( Is this a fact ?) It was

not his lawsuit.

Dave looks for documents that he recieved the previous night and asks Drake to carry on talking.

Drake regrets being involved with Camalot, mentions lawsuit. He says the problem is no longer his and is waiting to

hear back from The White Dragon Family to see what they want to do about it. It is out of his hands.

He says. I would not like them as enemies, (WDF) But Cassidy seems to like that sort of thing.

Drake said he is not going to encourage the WDF to do anything and is leaving it in their hands. Whatever they

decide to do Cassidy is stuck with it.

D.W told him Camalot was a bagrag apparently their earlier site was extraodinary great.

They stepped on their own toes pretty badly. A house built on sand the greater the fall of it.

DRAKE speaks again.

I will make a suggestion that if anyone wants to see the political stance, The link on that particular stance the

link on that particular page. ( I take it he means Vivek's thread ) The article do go into some interesting conversations ( first compliment) That i did when i was doing counceling among other things and they are very arcurite ( second compliment) They are appopite to people looking for answers.

A lot of that was done on the humanity healing website which is basicly a spiritual website that teaches you what the spirit is, how to access it and how to be how your supposed to be, Which is pretty awesome. They do it in a very nice i dunno you feel like a liitle kid watching an adventure when your in there and you have a lot of good people in there.

I was offered to be a permanent part of that but i moved on to other things, now here i am and fun still goes on.

At one point or another some type or another i get a lot of advertising and even bad advertising and even that which is ~~~~~ ( a word i cannot make out but has something to do with Ligigate) Such as the posting on their present site to me is advertising because most of the comments are positive ( third compliment )

Some of these people took the time and trouble to open the links to see the conversations i was having. ( fourth compliment )

And they could see the combination and the reasoning and they applied Knowledge ( fifth compliment) to what the conversation was all about the individual concerned.


Basicly and primary my job was to offer things that could not be found anywhere I dunno the keys to the kingdom the secrets of the universe that kind of thing, you could go to another website where they teach you the same things, its not difficult. anyone can do it. Its a lot of fun when you can walk around and nobody is afraid of you anymore or weary of you just because you are there,

Its really wonderful to walk out into nature and not have to worry about getting stung by a bee, bit by a snake or chased by a mountain lion, its just extraorinary what you learn, the manner in which you fit into the cosmos, what your honest position really is.


But a lot of things came to light for which i had not considered as importantly as i should have that helped me. ( not sure if he speaks of the thread here or being with nature ) If it helped me i am sure it can help someone else. (END)





Thats all i could be bothered transcribing. But like i said it my earlier post not all was negative from Drake

concerning the thread, I did not hear Drake mention Avalon one time. But yes Dave mentions Avalon. All the venom seemed to be directed towards Kerry and Camalot some some reason which i am not in the know. I do not visit Camalot
therefore have no clue why Drake has a greavance there.

[Ishtar]

Hi BillyJi

Apologies about the crack about the mountain air. It was meant as a joke but I guess it didn't come over that well. Truth to tell, I'd love a bit of mountain air myself right now!!

If you go back to some of the posts further up since last night, you'll see that it has been confirmed that Drake made a mistake, and when he said Project Camelot he meant Project Avalon. Kerry got on the phone to him to sort it out with him. The links to that are a few posts up from here. (post 1107).

Now I see why I was confused about you saying he was being complimentary about the LORD thread, because the way I heard it, and read it later, what he was actually being complimentary about were his own posts within the links that Vivek posted to sites of his or sites he has posted on, and about how people had taken the information in his posts and had actually become more enlightened through his words in those posts ... (my paraphrasing).

To me, that's another example of his arrogance.

Anyway, thanks for sharing that....

[KiwiElf]

Ishtar - The mistaken identity between Camelot & Avalon only. The rest has NOT been confirmed AT ALL. That is your take on it.
Do you ever stop distorting what is said? ;)

[Ishtar]

KiwiElf, I don't think you saw Kerry's blog where she had a phone conversation with Drake last night?

I really am not intending to distort what's being said ... I have the same old 'selective whateveritis' as you do, that's all.

I said: you'll see that it has been confirmed that Drake made a mistake, and when he said Project Camelot he meant Project Avalon. Kerry got on the phone to him to sort it out with him.

I didn't say anything about 'the rest of it' at all.

[KiwiElf]

Then please stop stating things as fact when they are just opinion. :) And yes I have seen Kerry's Blog. Again, you assume a great deal.

[Ishtar]

Then please stop stating things as fact when they are just opinion. :) And yes I have seen Kerry's Blog. Again, you assume a great deal.

OK, I accept that. When I said 'it had been confirmed' I should have said 'it looks that way to me.'

Thank you for correcting my 'selective whateveritis'! ;)

[ThePythonicCow]

I'm not using the ignore list function ...
I am ... but my "ignore" button hides posts for everyone :).

I just deleted four posts above from public view (nothing to do with your post wavydome -- I just liked your observation).

This thread is contentious enough, just discussing Drake. Let's not make it worse by revisiting bones of contention with each other.

Thanks.

===

P.S. -- Make that two more deleted for a total of six. While I was posting the above, two more posts of dubious focus showed up.

[EnergyGardener]

Many seem to infer that if they criticize an imperfect messenger supporting and participating within the great movement, that the great movement will stop.

It will not.

But it does demonstrate—if one seeks a new and better world—the necessity to participate directly for the optimum results—sooner rather than later.

However, this further demonstrates the attacks one might endure from those that enjoy leaching onto and against any effort with positive energy. This will too will pass.:cool:

[KiwiElf]

oh boy...this thing is starting to unravel....I'm not surprised. My heart goes out to those who had high hopes that this was actually going somewhere.

Oh, It's going "some" where, I just have no idea "where" that is ;). The overall aim is preferable tho! :)

[tenacity1]

http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/benjamin-fulford-5-8-12-the-white-dragon-roars-europe-rattles-plus-inside-
Benjamins Fulford latest post..
It's good to see some folks be more open minded. I despaired yesterday at the tone of cynicism. I trust my intuition...I feel sorry for those who constantly need prof.. some folks are simply impatient and I do think some are simply here to stir negative feelings.. Thanks to those who have open minds.

[tenacity1]

Well, Tenacity1, this is a wonderful way to say how I feel, except I am in a major information overload and it actually makes me a little ill to even come on here I am sad to say. Since I also sometimes have to receive the wasted energy of ranting and debating what we actually can only wait and see what is so, I will soon probably not come back at all. I come to check my PMs and will for a week or so after that, I see no reason to do this. I feel anyone that wanted to connect with me has already done that.

The constant twisting of what is said by either side is insane and I wonder just how insane I have become be part of it ever so slightly in a effort to for example say what was actually said on a show of Drakes. People misquote, misspeak and then have a back and forth about what was not said anyway..

All the best...
Thanks Yvonne. I assumed my posts had been ignored because I was a "hope addict" as some cynical poster implied.. Fact is I am an intuitive..not by choice, not by seeking to be, I was born that way. It's a burden as I hear another person describe this darn "gift" I've learned to not let the negativity dissuade me although , like you , it can bring me down a bit on days my health is struggling. Don't leave Avalon.I sense there are more good people here than folks who want to stir the pot. Taking breaks from the "net" and being outdoors always renews my spirit. Hope you can find things to do that give you peace as well. I sincerely hope you won't leave. At least if you stayed,, I'd know I'm not the LOne Ranger.. peace be with you

[Billy]

For the record: Drake sent the mods an aggressive message yesterday morning, pertaining to part of Vivek's researched information about him. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44252-Who-is-DRAKE-The-Loyal-Order-of-the-Royal-Dragon) He insisted on the right to reply and correct. He did not state what he was aggrieved about.

I recommended to the mods that they should write back with courtesy and invite Drake to submit a statement that we would publish (as long as it was a proper refutation, and didn't in itself contain anything inflammatory or was otherwise contrary to Forum protocols) -- i.e. the proper professional protocol for all media. We've not yet heard back from him. I am happy to defer totally to the mods' judgment on all these and other associated matters.

This from Kerry Cassidy's blog. I am wondering just how well informed Drake is about anything.

***

HEY DRAKE,

The SITE you are talking about is not Project Camelot. You are talking about Project Avalon. That is a what is called a FORUM. I and Project Camelot have nothing to do with Project Avalon. Comments about you posted on Avalon are done by Forum members and there is a disclaimer posted on all forums that the owners are not responsible for the opinions of those posting.

PROJECT AVALON is owned and run by Bill Ryan. Bill Ryan and I split up our collaboration on Project Camelot in January of 2010. If you want to sue him (which is ludicrious) he is English! And lives in Vilacabamba. So good luck. Further he is not responsible for the opinions or postings of forum members.

Try getting your facts right. That would go a long way to making you guys worth listening to... Lying about me and Project Camelot is useless.

--Kerry Cassidy
Project Camelot

The following link is exactly what I have written in response to Drake's interview with David Wilcock and has nothing to do with what some other person wrote who did investigation of Drake on Project Avalon.

And just for the record, David Wilcock is a friend of mine and has been notified of your lies.

http://projectcamelotportal.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=31&Itemid=218

Now the tide turns on who should be suing who for deformation of character, because listening to the audio Kerry's personal name was slandered many times mostly by Dave. And i assure you he was NOT confused and was aware as to who he was directing his venom at.

I would advise that all sides lay their personal grievences aside, bury them, For Drake to respond to Vivek great thread by email if he does not wish to join avalon just to respond, and continue with the important mission at hand.

Now i am off to visit Arbroath Abbey here in Scotland where the Constitution of America and the Declaration of Independence of America was inspired from. They have given me permission to Video some footage. I have never made a video before but i will give it a try.

Peace

[Alie]

***************** Stop, Look, Listen ************************

Here is the rest of the story from Kerry's Blog as of Monday pm 5/7/12 --- 23:06 (http://projectcamelotportal.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=31&Itemid=218)

Monday, 07 May 2012 23:06
Written by Kerry Cassidy

Considering the magnitude fo the misunderstanding on Drake's part, I decided to cut to the chase and call him this evening. Those who listened to my interview on AFR with Keith Scott will know he gave me his phone number at that time.

He has given me permission to write the following:

"Drake recognizes he had the wrong party it was Avalon...Drake has agreed to read my post tomorrow morning his time and post a retraction/apology tomorrow on his Facebook."

We have agreed to talk further in the next few days.


==============> I think this is a great next step. Thanks Kerry.

[mountain_jim]

Well Kerry did not (yet) retract calling Drake a liar in her post prior to that update.

I guess she will wait for his retraction/apology for that.



Try getting your facts right. That would go a long way to making you guys worth listening to... Lying about me and Project Camelot is useless.

[mountain_jim]

From the link to Fulford's latest above

http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/benjamin-fulford-5-8-12-the-white-dragon-roars-europe-rattles-plus-inside-report-on-secret-financial-deals/




My only “add-on” to this is that Benjamin has confirmed that “the Drake” is real, more precisely, “Neil Keenan confirms that Drake is a genuine US military person authorized to speak within limited parameters.”

[KP note: In this post from 5-5-12, I noted that from now on I will be posting only the text that appears on the front page of Ben's Weekly Geo-Political News and Analysis, with highlights from the full article. To see how to subscribe to Ben's Weekly Updates, and get the full text, please go to the bottom of this post.]

Highlights
■The elections last weekend in Europe showed the inevitable popular backlash against government mandated austerity.
■When the new financial system starts up and the criminals are removed from the core of the Western financial system, then money will pour like rain on Europe…
■The basic outlines of the new system are as follows: The US dollars owned by people outside of the US (and those created before 2008 in the US) will be backed by gold and a basket of commodities and other currencies.
■The Euro will be split into a fortified Deutschemark shared by Northern countries… Mediterranean countries will revert to their traditional currencies…
■This will be followed by a one off massive debt write off.
■…new system involve a reunion between some old shady business partners: the CIA and their Asian secret society counterparts…
■This will provide for the continued financing of the military industrial secret society complex until they are able to restructure their organizations so they are once again self-financed.
■The condition attached is an agreement to participate in a massive campaign to end poverty, stop environmental destruction and free the suppressed technology.
■The old world order folk, for their part are once again resorting to terrorist blackmail.
■The cabalists were… hoping to open a new world financial nexus in a special zone being constructed near Pusan, Korea.
■The increased radiation hype and fear mongering is also being orchestrated by the old world order.
■…this dangerous cabal is not going to go quietly into the night and we would like to ask the US armed forces… to round up the known cabalists… before they carry out any more mass murder.
■Chinese agents linked to Bo Xilai approached this writer in February… to start a joint venture… to install… combination solar and wind power generators on roof-tops throughout Japan.
■This venture would… have been able to directly fight against the cabal’s control of the global energy business… the deal was off because of Bo Xilai’s arrest… My best guess is that Bo Xilai was linked to a Rothschild faction…
■It is also worth repeating here that this writer is in no way a Rothschild agent.
■What needs to be seen in the coming weeks is if the US military and agencies are really the good guys who are ready to resume their role as super heroes and protectors of the planet earth.
■There is a fellow by the name of Drake… promising pentagon action and mass arrests in June. Neil Keenan confirms that Drake is a genuine US military person authorized to speak within limited parameters.
■…they need to force the corporate media to start reporting the truth and… suspend from office all politicians who have been bribed by the cabal…

[KiwiElf]

Alie,
I hope an equally amicable situation will follow here for all concerned - even a half step is still a step ;)

[Kindred]

I'm posting on this thread to try and re-direct our Collective Focus Away from these back-and-forths that have Nothing to Do with Humanity's True 'Situation'.

I do not wish to overly discount all that has been posted on this thread, but, In Truth, All this is a distraction from What Is Truly Happening, and Will Happen This Year... I direct you to some understandings from Pane' Andov. His accounts had been documented in other threads, but the most recent was posted by Whitefeather. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42794-The-Great-Cycle-and-Cosmic-Events-2012-by-Pane-Andov - The Great Cycle is REAL, and the sooner we, Collectively, Realize this, the sooner we can 'get our act together', and Prepare...

Now I'll post something from another thread...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38306-Fulford-1-9-update-...&p=398897#post398897
----------------------
You know what? The money doesn't matter. The financial 'settlements' don't matter. What these 'powers' say, doesn't matter.

What We, The People DO and Think, is All that that Truly Matters. Will We Re-align Our Views and Actions To What Truly Matters... Our Spiritual Development?

Truly Embracing and Understanding That We Are One.

Are these financial dealings going to enable humans to Truly 'Wake Up', and understand that Spiritual Development is what is Important, OR, are we just going to give a sigh of 'relief', and go on with our fascination with the physical and materialism, and 'kick the can down the road', until we have Another military, ecological, or financial 'crisis'?

Are we going to get Rid of All our major weapon and Monetary systems? Are we going to change over to a Full Free Energy System Without Monetary Control? Are the People and Countries of the World going to 'give up' totalitarianism and domination over each other? Can we make that leap to a Truly Civilized Society?

Time is growing shorter by the hour. We Either Wake Up and Truly SEE Who We Are and take the necessary Corrective Actions In Unison, or we will Fail.
------------------------
Now... the item of primary importance and understanding within that thread that Links the Pane' videos, to What Is Happening Now...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42794-The-Great-Cycle-and-Cosmic-Events-2012-by-Pane-Andov&p=483671#post483671


and some other items from my latest post on that thread... but all the postings are of import...

more items of particular interest relative to this thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38427-Could-channeled-ET-information-be-deliberate-psyops&p=400701#post400701

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38568-Proof-of-atlantis&p=402489#post402489

In Unity, Peace and Love - For All

[xbusymom]

... I have transcribed what i perceived to hear below for you. and anyone else who has hearing difficulties. continuing on from the already
completed first 11 mins, The first few comments are roughly transcripted when Dave comes in but Drake's is more detailed
My comments are in brackets. peace



Drake regrets being involved with Camalot, mentions lawsuit. He says the problem is no longer his and is waiting to

hear back from The White Dragon Family to see what they want to do about it. It is out of his hands.

He says. I would not like them as enemies, (WDF) But Cassidy seems to like that sort of thing.

Drake said he is not going to encourage the WDF to do anything and is leaving it in their hands. Whatever they

decide to do Cassidy is stuck with it.




OH... so I WAS right....

[Unified Serenity]

Being an empath or intuitive does not make one right. I have the same hopes and dreams of ending this nightmare of the power pyramid, but I won't latch onto someone spinning a good yarn. I have literally heard all of this for over 20 years. It's always just around the corner. Instructions on survival, how to spot the bad guys, how to help the good guys etc.. We actually almost accomplished something in the mid 90's, but low and behold, just when it was at it's apex of community support the militia was targeted by certain congressmen and we had the Oklahoma City bombing that focused on Timothy McVeigh and several accomplices in the evil militia.

Overnight, many were arrested and some went to prison on questionable charges. Some were set up by FBI for the same thing Weaver did (sawing off a shotgun barrell below the legal limit). Yes, he broke the law, but would he have done it had an agent not tempted him with thousands of dollars to do it? Wrong is wrong, but so is targeting people, keeping them from working and then tempting them with money to break the law.

Anyhow, the OK city bombing is a proven false flag no one ever talks about.

It's hard to find the documentary "A Noble Lie", but here is a good trailer:

eoIyq34MBYs

update:

The fact is I am highly empathic and intuitive. I can do many "odd" things, and read everyone who comes across my path, though it's a surface read. I won't go deeper "usually" unless given permission. It would take a very critical event for me to read someone deeper without permission.

I am very aware of my own energy field and when others are affecting it so as to not react but respond accordingly. I think pulling the "I'm and empath / intuitive " card is a tactic to stop discussion. I am not going to proclaim 100% accuracy. There are some on this forum who can attest to my abilities to read a situation / person and know how to affect the quickest healing. It doesn't mean I will do the work, but I may point someone it the right direction if they want to do the personal work.

The problem with all of this debating is we are going in circles. Some have recommended stopping and waiting to see what happens, but the more one side starts commenting and pushing their pov, the more the other side feels it is necessary to provide a rebuttal. I do know one thing with 100% accuracy and that is that we are not one another's enemies. We see different aspects and are focusing on those aspects for whatever reasons. I won't judge those who decide to focus on whatever they choose. I just won't be intimidated or cowed into being silent by name calling or stawman arguments meant to change the focus of the debate.

I would love nothing more than to have the bad guys taken out. I just have not seen any proof (and yes Mr. Fulford, proof is necessary before I support any group) that supports what Drake is saying. I've seen it all before, I think there are very well meaning and intentioned people, but this is the highest level of Chess and rarely is the gambit clearly seen.

[Hervé]

Two depictions of the same event?

Yes, basically.




Are both real?

Yes, again. Each person is speaking what they are hearing. They do appear to be sitting in different camps. Not difficult to conceive or imagine.
I am glad for both views. I can carry these two largely parallel scenarios and find utility with them. Very useful if you are not looking to pigeonhole things or looking for surety. Waking up tomorrow isn't even a surety for me. Or anybody for that matter, truth be told. High probability though, IMO.

[...]

Finally: I am very comfortable with the idea that a sizable part of our military wants to be true to the oath they took to protect this country for all enemies foreign and domestic. [...]


Thank you for taking the time to ponder on and answer these questions.

The state of affairs in the US and the events to be generated by the esnlavers are given in the follow up conversation between Hadmann and "Rosebud":


My source stated that he has not seen things this bad since he began working within DHS. “It’s like they [DHS agency heads] don’t care about what the American people see or feel about what the DHS agencies are doing. They figure that if the average American will put up with being “sexually groped and nuked” just to fly, they’ll accept almost anything. “That’s why their actions are becoming more overt. “It’s in your face and the brass actually chuckle about it” said my source.

and:



“They’re power hungry, and they want to remain in charge,” stated this source.

The “surreal” aspect of suspended elections won’t look so surreal when you see any or all of the “trigger points” take place in the not-so-distant future.

“The end-game plan for America is its destruction as a Constitutional Republic, with the assistance of the agencies under the umbrella of the DHS.”

My source stated one more thing that seemed to tie things together. He urged me to recall the quote by Henry Kissinger who was speaking at a Bilderberg meeting at Evian, France, on 21 May 1992:

"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."

That threat need not be from beyond. All it might take is a world of starving, broke and desperate people.

There is also a darker possibilty as to the substance of that coin being spun on its rim, hence each side being flashed over and over to public view:


The caveat... so that one keeps sharpenning one's discernment tools, all edges, and refrain from shoving them into storage....

The "Orion Model" as explained by Alex Collier around the 25 minute mark:

http://kiwi6.com/file/f8s5019nne


When one applies the model to the “White Hats,” the “saviors” that are supposed to get us rid of the (human) controllers, one may realize that these “White Hats” may indeed be of a darker black hue than the blackest of “Black Hats.”

Because… what’s the “solution” to the problem of these “bad” ETs and their illuminati consorts?

… get into agreement with the “good” ETs, sign the papers on the dotted line… deal!

Now Earth can be "legally" monitored and controlled beyond any recourse except another of these wars in the sky of Ancient India fame.

Hence, how does one recognizes an actual “good” ET? I have no answer to that since, for all these bezillions of years where, the most intelligent, perceptive, psychic, clairvoyant, wizard, sorcerer and witch beings have been fooled over and over, again and again without ever managing to thwart the scheme.


The only certainty (?) in either the white or black hats case is that the "controllers" are out... under all apparency....

Accordingly, the US is under siege as in olden days when castles were surrounded and all supplies cut out... therefore, a 3-months survival reserve might not be enough. Alex Collier suggests having enough reserves to last over 8 months.

[Journeyon]

Kindred, thank you for your post! I resonate with your words. Thank you for the links you posted!

Peace,
Journey

[Kristin]

What is happening? Hmmm. There is a large alleged action being planed (not too well IMHO) to arrest and replace a cabal. The Alternative Community (really?) is being used as a format to bring this information out into the general public. While we in the Alternative Community are being distracted by this... our researchers are being pulled away from what they are natural at doing: ie Wilcock is hosting interviews and not researching and putting together important pieces; important interviewers are being discredited: Kerry Cassidy; those that had their hands into interesting information have been usurped (remember Fulford before the White Dragons sucked him in?)... and so here we are, not paying attention TO WHAT? What are we sooo close to that the PTB/W will promote these types of methods to get us all into a tizzy not to pay attention? DISTRACTION is the name of the chess game here.

Look at what is in our own back yards, ground... remember that it is Spring. Check into what types of legislation are being proposed in your general community. Take care of tending your gardens. Read. Look at all of the info that has come our way in the past two years from Camelot, Avalon and other sources. Do not judge it. Look for the patterns that lay before us. What were we talking about before the next distraction hit? What was so important that all the stops have been pulled to transverse our focus elsewhere. THAT is what we are not supposed to see. We have to be getting close to the truth, and in fact the truth may have been already stated but has slipped through our fingers. Let's take another look.

I suggest putting Drake aside for a moment and looking at our hearts first, how we are being pulled into this drama through our own yearnings. How can our own desires be used against us? Is our ego being soothed and stroked? Are our fears being stirred up to promote energy? What would benefit from such energy being stirred from such enlightened beings? Do we have a hold on our futures? Are we in the process of creating our desired future or are we here looking for answers to be handed to us?

These are just thoughts, take them or leave them.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[tenacity1]

just for clarification.. I feel that for me.. what I know is correct.. HOWEVER..I am not saying that anyone else needs to adopt my opinions. I only want folks to be fair , kind and less cynical. That's the only request I have. Otherwise believe what you will and think what you want. Peace be with you all

[Unified Serenity]

This is what was happening right before the Drake escapade:

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Now, have we heard anything from Breitbart's site really? What they did release was a joke. Andrew's information has not been released, and Obama has been caught saying "Just give me til after the election and then I can do more" basically to Putin! Obama is looking more and more like a communist puppet manchurian candidate.

These two videos are pretty interesting. So, in just a short time the Breitbart story is dead and we are carping on and on about BF, DW, and Drake. good post Kristen

update... I am going to start a breitbart thread with these videos so we don't derail this thread.



What is happening? Hmmm. There is a large alleged action being planed (not too well IMHO) to arrest and replace a cabal. The Alternative Community (really?) is being used as a format to bring this information out into the general public. While we in the Alternative Community are being distracted by this... our researchers are being pulled away from what they are natural at doing: ie Wilcock is hosting interviews and not researching and putting together important pieces; important interviewers are being discredited: Kerry Cassidy; those that had their hands into interesting information have been usurped (remember Fulford before the White Dragons sucked him in?)... and so here we are, not paying attention TO WHAT? What are we sooo close to that the PTB/W will promote these types of methods to get us all into a tizzy not to pay attention? DISTRACTION is the name of the chess game here.

Look at what is in our own back yards, ground... remember that it is Spring. Check into what types of legislation are being proposed in your general community. Take care of tending your gardens. Read. Look at all of the info that has come our way in the past two years from Camelot, Avalon and other sources. Do not judge it. Look for the patterns that lay before us. What were we talking about before the next distraction hit? What was so important that all the stops have been pulled to transverse our focus elsewhere. THAT is what we are not supposed to see. We have to be getting close to the truth, and in fact the truth may have been already stated but has slipped through our fingers. Let's take another look.

I suggest putting Drake aside for a moment and looking at our hearts first, how we are being pulled into this drama through our own yearnings. How can our own desires be used against us? Is our ego being soothed and stroked? Are our fears being stirred up to promote energy? What would benefit from such energy being stirred from such enlightened beings? Do we have a hold on our futures? Are we in the process of creating our desired future or are we here looking for answers to be handed to us?

These are just thoughts, take them or leave them.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[Chester]

Hello everybody. I have been watching patiently while I decided what I wanted to post. I think there is much to be said.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44252-Who-is-DRAKE-The-Loyal-Order-of-the-Royal-Dragon&p=483938&viewfull=1#post483938

Here I have clarified one thing and merely reiterated what has already been emphasized but is still being ignored by many. I have also requested further clarification regarding certain information.

to me, that pic looks like it was drawn by someone who saw a few symbols online, and tried to have a go themselves. there's no arrangement.
usually, there is so much encoded into stuff like that, it has to be almost perfect in its layout. whereas that pic fails on a basic level.
what response other than laughter, and a loss in credibilty, are you hoping to gain by it?.
(i will look so stupid if it turns out to be their official logo!)
and it does seem that you're climbing down slightly from the potency of your original assertions, while making it look like your holding your position.
at least, thats how it seems to me. i'm happy to be corrected on that.

can i ask you if you are completely happy with the assertions you originally made, or,
was there anything you said, that on reflection maybe should have been looked at a bit deeper before posting?

this isnt meant as an attack on you or your post, and i hope it wont be taken as one.

cheers

what pic??

[ThePythonicCow]

What was so important that all the stops have been pulled to transverse our focus elsewhere. THAT is what we are not supposed to see. We have to be getting close to the truth, and in fact the truth may have been already stated but has slipped through our fingers.
My guess is that the "purpose" of the various Drake, Fulford, Brockbrader, ... controversies is not simply to distract us, but rather to whip up our energy, in the usual manner of doing so, as opposing camps in some controversy.

Like many color revolutions and Arab Spring revolutions so far, such chaos is not affective unless it creates strong waves of energy, for and against something, in the general population. When such strong waves do generate grand chaos, it usually benefits most the one who has the upper hand of greatest control and information awareness.

[Chester]

Hi guys i have been away for a while up the mountains with nature and trying to catch up.

I have just listened to Drakes radio Audio.

It appears some here are taking Drake's words way out of context, Listen to the audio again.

His gripe is not with Avalon or the thread that Vivek created, In fact he compliments the thread and the research and the feedback from most of the members
who responded on that thread. He is pissed off that a few of members have twisted his truth. Calling him a liar when he answered his own truth. There are a few untruths he would like to put right.

Give him the space to do this.

For some reason which i am not in the know as to why he is has taken offence to Kerry and Project Camalot. It seems this was due to a recent radio interview which Kerry was a guest on.

Why do some here waste so much treasured energy bringing down another beings efforts to assist humanity and our planet for the benefit of all. I cannot comprehend.

Be at peace within yourselves then you can be at peace with all.

Drake is capable of error - he did mistake Avalon for Camelot. He is also capable of overreacting which he also clearly did - for what its worth it looks like he has slept on the whole thing and has calmed down - I just found this post made a few hours ago.

"Much of the info on that post was accurate, except for the 'spin' added by taking the statements out of context.
Drake = Dragos Very different than dragon.
Yes, I'm familiar with the dark side. However, as stated, I am not now, nor have I ever been associated with the baby torturers known as The Illuminati. The group specifically mentioned in the post.
That was the main of the two references that I took exception with.
My request to remove the post was satisfied, so I see no reason for further actions.
This post will be my last regarding this issue.
Thank you."

http://wramsite.com/forum/topics/insider-claims-imminent-mass-arrests-of-globalists-bankers-and?commentId=3567481%3AComment%3A1295032

I can understand his initial reaction, especially when people call him a liar when it was no way cut and dried. Its clear that some of the posters here at Avalon are emotionally invested on various sides of all the Drake implications and those who are strongly polarized against the person and/or the plan expose this by obsessively posting "liar, liar" instead of offering their views in ways that support intelligent, mature discussion. Sadly, digressing into emotionally charged rants just creates barriers to what could be helpful discussion.

Anyways, its easy for me to give the man a pass on his reaction though if I were able to speak with him (I don't even know him), I would kindly inform him he was a bit out of line. Fortunately, as seen from his post quoted above, he has seen the light anyways.

[Chester]

Ishtar - The mistaken identity between Camelot & Avalon only. The rest has NOT been confirmed AT ALL. That is your take on it.
Do you ever stop distorting what is said? ;)

some folks have a hard time with others that don't accept their world view and so they resort to distortion, embellishment and when that doesn't work, outright labeling/name calling. Yes, its irritating and some of us may attempt to defend someone or something that is attacked in this way, but eventually its best just to move on. Sadly, the baby usually gets thrown out with the bathwater and contributions that could be made get missed. Ah well, we all have to grow up someday huh? Perhaps not.

[Billy]

Drake is capable of error - he did mistake Avalon for Camelot. He is also capable of overreacting which he also clearly did - for what its worth it looks like he has slept on the whole thing and has calmed down - I just found this post made a few hours ago.

"Much of the info on that post was accurate, except for the 'spin' added by taking the statements out of context.
Drake = Dragos Very different than dragon.
Yes, I'm familiar with the dark side. However, as stated, I am not now, nor have I ever been associated with the baby torturers known as The Illuminati. The group specifically mentioned in the post.
That was the main of the two references that I took exception with.
My request to remove the post was satisfied, so I see no reason for further actions.
This post will be my last regarding this issue.
Thank you."

http://wramsite.com/forum/topics/insider-claims-imminent-mass-arrests-of-globalists-bankers-and?commentId=3567481%3AComment%3A1295032

, I would kindly inform him he was a bit out of line. Fortunately, as seen from his post quoted above, he has seen the light anyways.

Sorted then justoneman. Good news. Thank you

[PurpleLama]

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[Chester]

Well, Tenacity1, this is a wonderful way to say how I feel, except I am in a major information overload and it actually makes me a little ill to even come on here I am sad to say. Since I also sometimes have to receive the wasted energy of ranting and debating what we actually can only wait and see what is so, I will soon probably not come back at all. I come to check my PMs and will for a week or so after that, I see no reason to do this. I feel anyone that wanted to connect with me has already done that.

The constant twisting of what is said by either side is insane and I wonder just how insane I have become be part of it ever so slightly in a effort to for example say what was actually said on a show of Drakes. People misquote, misspeak and then have a back and forth about what was not said anyway..

All the best...
Thanks Yvonne. I assumed my posts had been ignored because I was a "hope addict" as some cynical poster implied.. Fact is I am an intuitive..not by choice, not by seeking to be, I was born that way. It's a burden as I hear another person describe this darn "gift" I've learned to not let the negativity dissuade me although , like you , it can bring me down a bit on days my health is struggling. Don't leave Avalon.I sense there are more good people here than folks who want to stir the pot. Taking breaks from the "net" and being outdoors always renews my spirit. Hope you can find things to do that give you peace as well. I sincerely hope you won't leave. At least if you stayed,, I'd know I'm not the LOne Ranger.. peace be with you

You are not the lone ranger by any means... lots of us here that beat the Drake drum - don't let those who disagree or those who may attempt to attack dissuade you from your gut sense that there could be a Plan and the Plan could become publicly operational and that the Plan could be successful with minimal downside. And there's nothing wrong with hoping so too. Its part of being human to have hope.

Real good news came out of the Fulford report, looks like Drake has been validated by Fulford's sources and looks like the information they are independently receiving is on the basic same page. Just prepare to be helpful when the big shoes start to drop. That's our responsibility - remain tenacious my friend... justoneman

[YvonneG]

Well, Tenacity1, this is a wonderful way to say how I feel, except I am in a major information overload and it actually makes me a little ill to even come on here I am sad to say. Since I also sometimes have to receive the wasted energy of ranting and debating what we actually can only wait and see what is so, I will soon probably not come back at all. I come to check my PMs and will for a week or so after that, I see no reason to do this. I feel anyone that wanted to connect with me has already done that.

The constant twisting of what is said by either side is insane and I wonder just how insane I have become be part of it ever so slightly in a effort to for example say what was actually said on a show of Drakes. People misquote, misspeak and then have a back and forth about what was not said anyway..

All the best...
Thanks Yvonne. I assumed my posts had been ignored because I was a "hope addict" as some cynical poster implied.. Fact is I am an intuitive..not by choice, not by seeking to be, I was born that way. It's a burden as I hear another person describe this darn "gift" I've learned to not let the negativity dissuade me although , like you , it can bring me down a bit on days my health is struggling. Don't leave Avalon.I sense there are more good people here than folks who want to stir the pot. Taking breaks from the "net" and being outdoors always renews my spirit. Hope you can find things to do that give you peace as well. I sincerely hope you won't leave. At least if you stayed,, I'd know I'm not the LOne Ranger.. peace be with you

If I thought it did any good to continue to beat the drum here, I would, after continuing to take long breaks. However, people stuck in fear have no desire to see anything, and for me to think I can make them see it, is insanity. All I have really wanted in the end was to see those so opposed to have a bit of an open-mind to the possibility that the continued almost attacking what others say serves no one. I for one refuse to participate in this. I feel like I am adding energy to it all.

My time and energy are much better spent in doing things that will make a concrete difference locally and for myself in my meditation and spiritual practice.

I am not sure if anyone has considered that this PLAN will happen with or without our help. I say this to both "sides".

Anyway, thanks for your response and I wish you all the best. At one point when I was going hot and heavy, it took me several days to recover. Figure how much time and energy I could have devoted for our local efforts?? A lot!

IN the end all of this is just words and opinions, as I have said before, what is real is going to stay real.

[SKAWF]

Hello everybody. I have been watching patiently while I decided what I wanted to post. I think there is much to be said.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44252-Who-is-DRAKE-The-Loyal-Order-of-the-Royal-Dragon&p=483938&viewfull=1#post483938

Here I have clarified one thing and merely reiterated what has already been emphasized but is still being ignored by many. I have also requested further clarification regarding certain information.

to me, that pic looks like it was drawn by someone who saw a few symbols online, and tried to have a go themselves. there's no arrangement.
usually, there is so much encoded into stuff like that, it has to be almost perfect in its layout. whereas that pic fails on a basic level.
what response other than laughter, and a loss in credibilty, are you hoping to gain by it?.
(i will look so stupid if it turns out to be their official logo!)
and it does seem that you're climbing down slightly from the potency of your original assertions, while making it look like your holding your position.
at least, thats how it seems to me. i'm happy to be corrected on that.

can i ask you if you are completely happy with the assertions you originally made, or,
was there anything you said, that on reflection maybe should have been looked at a bit deeper before posting?

this isnt meant as an attack on you or your post, and i hope it wont be taken as one.

cheers

what pic??

this

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if i was being accused of something, (and bear in mind the sh*t thats currently flying round) and someone presented me with that pic, and asked me to explain myself.....

exactly how does that picture relate to anything?, what does it proove? what accusation can come from it?, ... look at it. and this is being used to bolster an overall point against someone.

i should say that i dont know vivek. so i'm not really factoring him into this, i imagine drakes reaction. because if its anytrhing like mine would be, i would laugh at it. really, and to use someone elses phrase, it is like a turd in a punchbowl. it completely discredits anything else thats been said.

and for some reason, i WTF'd and went into one.

[ThePythonicCow]

Two depictions of the same event?

Here, we know of Drake's take on it.

Now, here is the other side of the same coin from Stan Deyo site (http://standeyo.com/NEWS/12_USA/120504.Hagmann.warning.html):

...
marlowe has started a separate thread on this material, at The next 8 months /insider info (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44860-The-next-8-months-insider-info&p=484683#post484683).

[Jeffrey]

This has been posted already, no?

If so than BUMP.

http://www.yellowbrickroadtour.net/uploads/5/3/0/8/5308257/nation_states_shipping_documents081.pdf

The "notification" that "they" sent back was just a confirmation from Fed-Ex that "L. Molenaar" signed for the package.

[karelia]

No idea how reliable this blog is, but may be worth reading:


MASSIVE ARRESTS
There are allegations of rumored Gun battles and arrests ongoing especially in Washington DC. Those being 'rumored' now under house arrest (Remove passport, restricted movement, escorted by marshals) as of now are the Bushes, Clintons, Rockefeller, Pelosi, Reid and a Cast of hundreds if not thousands in the political/banking arena. These are ongoing operations under strict security.

Drake is right on per this heads up alert.


For rest of article, go here (http://nesaranews.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/deep-intel-down-rabbit-hole-5-09-12.html).

[promezeus]

"My request to remove the post was satisfied, so I see no reason for further actions." says Drake.

Was there a post removed from this site upon Drake's demand?

If not, Justoneman, then how has Drake seen the light if he is posting more disinfo?

[promezeus]

AS I recall, Drake said Operation Greenlight, the operation to make the arrests, would be posted at freedomreigns.us prior to the arrests taking place, and no such thing is posted there.

Don't you think that Gunbattles in wash. d.c. would get more publicity than a "rumor", if it was actually happening?

[KiwiElf]

"My request to remove the post was satisfied, so I see no reason for further actions." says Drake.

Was there a post removed from this site upon Drake's demand?

If not, Justoneman, then how has Drake seen the light if he is posting more disinfo?

promezeus
The post here on Avalon has been corrected. Specifically what disinfo [from Drake] do you refer to?

[Chester]

"My request to remove the post was satisfied, so I see no reason for further actions." says Drake.

Was there a post removed from this site upon Drake's demand?

If not, Justoneman, then how has Drake seen the light if he is posting more disinfo?

Vivek corrected the post that Drake took issue with - I didn't look because I trust Vivek at his word - he's a good guy with good intentions, take care - justone

Ooops thanks KiwiElf... apologies I did not get to your answer before I posted - if Mods see this post of mine and want to remove it - NP

[Jeffrey]

I corrected a factual error in my OP that Drake had brought attention to - the fact that he is a memeber of the Vietnam Brotherhood and not it's founder. This is not that important considering the rest of the OP.

Drake also stated that the OP declared that he was a member of the "baby-killer" Illuminati. That is false. The "reference" in the OP is a quote taken from James Furia's blog that has "Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon" and "Nahash Illuminati" in the same sentence. They are not my words.

There was NO mention ANYWHERE of the L.O.R.D. group specifically OTHER than what was buried in Drake's internet history and the article from James Furia.

Drake alludes to the fact that the L.O.R.D. group has to do with the White Dragon Families that Ben Fulford brought to light. This is dishonest and misleading in my opinion.

Notice in the OP how Drake is trying to contact Fulford about the paperwork/movement getting ready to kick into gear?

Drake tries to say that he is not affiliated anymore with that stuff, but then states something to the extent that these "White Dragon Families" are waiting for his call to discuss what to do about the thread.

I can tell you that Drake is the owner of a website based on a group (there are a few) that he co-founded with Ray Stoner (or YAR NESTOR in the picture I posted for those who are paying attention). It wouldn't be a stretch to say that they are still together.

The things they do and the stuff they are into is harmless in my opinion.

I think Drake may have been taken aback by how much was uncovered and/or by how much may have been uncovered and left unsaid - therefore his reaction was threatening, intimidating, and defensive... Understandable.

What is troublesome to me is the fact that I know his influences (anybody can, just search what has been posted) and in conjunction with what he has stated about being "recomended by the lesser gods to the greater gods, and given great understandings, those beyond most comprehension", and "I am attempting to offer information to be heralded through-out mankind", and "I have been very busy in efforts to start a world wide peace process involving Iraq and the middle east" --- just how easy would it be for some "top-level insider" or someone like that to contact this man and feed him disinformation? All they would need to do would be to "appeal" to his personality, and make him believe what he already wants to believe.

No doubt in my mind, the man is a good, genuine guy. That's why this sucks.

He has embellished the story about sending the papers and recieving a "notification" back, he took advantage of his retort regarding my thread in order to connect himself to the "White Dragon Families" that Fulford speaks about, and the goal posts keep movin'.

It's like we are cranking a jack-in-the-box that will never pop out. Or at least not like we think it will.

This man now has a bully pulpit, and "supporters". Important questions are being overlooked and ignored as they are in hidden in the shadows of a noble cause. Dissenters from "Drake's plan" are labelled pessimistic, trolls, disinfo agents, etc. etc.

Nobody is arguing with the fact that the cause is noble, but LOOK in the shadows of what's going on right now and that's where the important issues are hiding, and they will be dangerous if they are overlooked.

This whole thing, if carried out, has a very good chance of resulting in a civil war. There are things that are running parallel to what's going on with Drake, and when these various things come to a head their collective synergies will result in societal upheavel.

A perfect excuse for flat out, in-your-face martial law.

Has anybody considered the fact that the arrests are being drawn out long enough for all of these interviews to take place, long enough for more people to catch wind of it, long enough for people to get restless, long enough for some alphabet agency to make a case against this whole thing as a terrorist coup d'etat?

If this thing garners enough attention for the mainstream media to snag it up I guarantee you that this whole effort will be thrown in the lot with "home-grown" terrorism.

If that happens you are going to have the majority of Americans fearing that some organization (described by however the MSM wants to paint them) is trying to overthrow the good old US of A. Throw the "terrorist" label on it and you've got a real problem on your hands.

If anything does happen it will be bloody before anything peaceful comes out of it, and looking at how this is unfolding (and getting a feel for what kind of a person Drake is) it sure as hell seems like we (and he) are all being played. So who is really calling the shots here?

Another thing that sucks is that if this is all true then what about all of the "sources" of "insiders" that have "vetted" Drake? What does that say about them?

There is DEFINITELY something wrong here.

[promezeus]

Vivek may have done some corrections to his OP, but the post was certainly not removed, and he didn't correct this part below to which Drake objected . In fact, as Vivek stated, it wasn't his words anyway. He was just quoting someone else.
Vivek, feel free to correct me if am mistaken in any way.


from vivek's may 7 clarification post and also retained in the corrected OP:

"These will be comprehensive to the initiates of the Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon (the original Nahash Illuminati) obviously anyone stumbling upon these serious meaningful equations will need the backround info of The Code Of The Ancients... "

"Those aren't my words(meaning not vivek's words), they are from the link on Drake's webpage to Jimi's in the OP."

[KiwiElf]

It would seem that either way you go, Martial Law is a possibility... But it hasn't happened... yet ;)

[KiwiElf]

Vivek may have done some corrections to his OP, but the post was certainly not removed, and he didn't correct this part below to which Drake objected . In fact, as Vivek stated, it wasn't his words anyway. He was just quoting someone else.
Vivek, feel free to correct me if am mistaken in any way.


from vivek's may 7 clarification post and also retained in the corrected OP:

"These will be comprehensive to the initiates of the Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon (the original Nahash Illuminati) obviously anyone stumbling upon these serious meaningful equations will need the backround info of The Code Of The Ancients... "

"Those aren't my words(meaning not vivek's words), they are from the link on Drake's webpage to Jimi's in the OP."

It has none-the-less been corrected to Drake's satisfaction. Move on. :) Again, specifically what disinfo [from Drake] do you refer to?

[promezeus]

Kiwielf, It appears you are unable to comprehend my posts or Drake's for that matter, so I will have to decline your request to repeat myself. In response to your last post, I quite disagree with you that Vivek corrected his post to Drake's satisfaction. I think Drake simply took it as an opportunity to try to save face, but imo, he confirmed his lack of integrity. Now after reading Vivek's post from today, I see he confirms my point of view in this matter.

[KiwiElf]

promezeus

I believe the term is "infantile evasion" on your behalf (google it) - and as I suspected, you are unable to back-up your "claim" re disinfo [from Drake]. :)

[gripreaper]

If I thought it did any good to continue to beat the drum here, I would, after continuing to take long breaks. However, people stuck in fear have no desire to see anything, and for me to think I can make them see it, is insanity. All I have really wanted in the end was to see those so opposed to have a bit of an open-mind to the possibility that the continued almost attacking what others say serves no one. I for one refuse to participate in this. I feel like I am adding energy to it all.

My time and energy are much better spent in doing things that will make a concrete difference locally and for myself in my meditation and spiritual practice.

Anyway, thanks for your response and I wish you all the best. At one point when I was going hot and heavy, it took me several days to recover. Figure how much time and energy I could have devoted for our local efforts?? A lot!

I'm sorry that you have a finite amount of energy, and that you see energy as a resource which needs to be preserved. By all means, don't drain yourself by attaching to other energies which do not resonate with you.

May I suggest that you just act as a conduit for the energy to flow through you so that it is not draining, but actually remain detached? Since energy is not finite but infinite, the ability to allow energy to flow through you without attachment gives you more energy and does not take away energy.

It's a very subtle difference, but it makes all the difference in the world.

[seigiarchon]

There is DEFINITELY something wrong here.

Obviously.

I am all for the "bad" Immortal Elites to be overthrown but they ain't giving up without bloodshed.

But then blood will be shed regardless of the outcome.

:cool:

[promezeus]

Here are my thoughts, based on my research and feelings. I don’t claim to have any special knowledge. I am open.

- The superwave energetic stream, peaking in december of this year, will propel a massive expansion of our consciousness as we synchronize and synergize with it. This is the end of the set-in-stone 75,000 year cycle, according to RA, (3-25,000 year cycles) at which time those who are ready will experience a 'quantum leap' in consciousness.

- The dark forces are playing their destined part in the drama (even if the 3d dark forces don’t know it). Their role is to hold us down, like a rocket tethered on the launch pad awaiting blast-off.

- The mass arrests and economic system changes represent the political/economic stage of the upcoming changes, i.e. getting the ball rolling by regaining our constitutional freedom and personal sovereignty. Drake is simply the current public figure for this stage. He worked hard for it, even if he didn't consciously know it would be his role. He is living his dream. And now he is learning how easily one can be corrupted by power. ;)

- Higher dimensional entities (which include our own higher aspects) are basically overseeing the whole show..calling the shots, including the timeline and outcome of the show. (But they don't want to spoil the fun by revealing it to us) ;)

- These HD entities, in cooperation with the leaders of the ‘plan’, are timing the mass arrests so that by the time the superwave energy ramps up this fall, we will already be feeling inspired and excited. We are being primed for blast-off.

[Bill Ryan]

I corrected a factual error in my OP that Drake had brought attention to - the fact that he is a memeber of the Vietnam Brotherhood and not its founder. This is not that important considering the rest of the OP.

Drake also stated that the OP declared that he was a member of the "baby-killer" Illuminati. That is false. The "reference" in the OP is a quote taken from James Furia's blog that has "Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon" and "Nahash Illuminati" in the same sentence. They are not my words.

There was NO mention ANYWHERE of the L.O.R.D. group specifically OTHER than what was buried in Drake's internet history and the article from James Furia.

Drake alludes to the fact that the L.O.R.D. group has to do with the White Dragon Families that Ben Fulford brought to light. This is dishonest and misleading in my opinion.

Notice in the OP how Drake is trying to contact Fulford about the paperwork/movement getting ready to kick into gear?

Drake tries to say that he is not affiliated anymore with that stuff, but then states something to the extent that these "White Dragon Families" are waiting for his call to discuss what to do about the thread.

I can tell you that Drake is the owner of a website based on a group (there are a few) that he co-founded with Ray Stoner (or YAR NESTOR in the picture I posted for those who are paying attention). It wouldn't be a stretch to say that they are still together.

The things they do and the stuff they are into is harmless in my opinion.

I think Drake may have been taken aback by how much was uncovered and/or by how much may have been uncovered and left unsaid - therefore his reaction was threatening, intimidating, and defensive... Understandable.

What is troublesome to me is the fact that I know his influences (anybody can, just search what has been posted) and in conjunction with what he has stated about being "recomended by the lesser gods to the greater gods, and given great understandings, those beyond most comprehension", and "I am attempting to offer information to be heralded through-out mankind", and "I have been very busy in efforts to start a world wide peace process involving Iraq and the middle east" --- just how easy would it be for some "top-level insider" or someone like that to contact this man and feed him disinformation? All they would need to do would be to "appeal" to his personality, and make him believe what he already wants to believe.

No doubt in my mind, the man is a good, genuine guy. That's why this sucks.

He has embellished the story about sending the papers and recieving a "notification" back, he took advantage of his retort regarding my thread in order to connect himself to the "White Dragon Families" that Fulford speaks about, and the goal posts keep movin'.

It's like we are cranking a jack-in-the-box that will never pop out. Or at least not like we think it will.

This man now has a bully pulpit, and "supporters". Important questions are being overlooked and ignored as they are in hidden in the shadows of a noble cause. Dissenters from "Drake's plan" are labelled pessimistic, trolls, disinfo agents, etc. etc.

Nobody is arguing with the fact that the cause is noble, but LOOK in the shadows of what's going on right now and that's where the important issues are hiding, and they will be dangerous if they are overlooked.

This whole thing, if carried out, has a very good chance of resulting in a civil war. There are things that are running parallel to what's going on with Drake, and when these various things come to a head their collective synergies will result in societal upheavel.

A perfect excuse for flat out, in-your-face martial law.

Has anybody considered the fact that the arrests are being drawn out long enough for all of these interviews to take place, long enough for more people to catch wind of it, long enough for people to get restless, long enough for some alphabet agency to make a case against this whole thing as a terrorist coup d'etat?

If this thing garners enough attention for the mainstream media to snag it up I guarantee you that this whole effort will be thrown in the lot with "home-grown" terrorism.

If that happens you are going to have the majority of Americans fearing that some organization (described by however the MSM wants to paint them) is trying to overthrow the good old US of A. Throw the "terrorist" label on it and you've got a real problem on your hands.

If anything does happen it will be bloody before anything peaceful comes out of it, and looking at how this is unfolding (and getting a feel for what kind of a person Drake is) it sure as hell seems like we (and he) are all being played. So who is really calling the shots here?

Another thing that sucks is that if this is all true then what about all of the "sources" of "insiders" that have "vetted" Drake? What does that say about them?

There is DEFINITELY something wrong here.

An excellent post. I agree 110% with the analysis.

[sygh]

Mark my words... if (maybe we are smart enough not to), or when we see revolution in the streets of the U.S. we won't need Drake to tell us. From what I've seen, it shouldn't but it is coming. Not because of race, or creed but because of the economy and 9-11-01. Recently, I was asked why I was still fixated on 9-11-01. The answer for me was simple... its not over.

All the things we've been going through have been brought to us; it is the way our system is set up. It could be good, it could be very good but for the leaders we have. For so many years, our leaders haven't had a thimble full of wisdom, nor have any one of them been able to stop the pyramid of power that reaches far above them. And for the life of me, I cannot tell you what lay in its stead or, why you or I haven't had the power to change it. I can't even tell you why people fall under the spell of "easy", except we get tired -and our minds don't necessarily let us proceed. Even the best of leaders cannot do what needs to be done alone, s/he must have the backing of the people, and oh so many people. I've been listening and I have heard so much white noise, I cannot tell anymore what you all are saying.

BUt I think the gist is this... this emptyness we feel over not being the good shepherds of the earth we innately know we should be in our lowly positions makes us feel powerless. It seems as if our religions, our governments and these large corporations have taken anything we can do completely out of our hands, we billions of people, and put all the power into the hands of the few. And the larger these entities get, the more helpless we feel to do anything about the devistation we see because of these entities so, we reach for hope. We reach for leaders. We grasp at staw dogs. And there are plenty of straw dogs to go round.

What we should be doing here is concentrating our efforts in the field of energy and restoring our natural resources, thereby leading with hope. Not doing just another paper, like a capstone but taking it to fruition. And we should also be concerned with Fukushima because if there is a problem there, it is killing people as I type, and it will affect all of us. I wonder with all the turmoil ... are we going to be able to do that?

[crosby]

that is the greatest post i have read yet. and i feel that you are right on the target. thank you sygh. spelling it out clearly. thank you
regards, corson

[sygh]

that is the greatest post i have read yet. and i feel that you are right on the target. thank you sygh. spelling it out clearly. thank you
regards, corson

Right back at ya, corson. Shall we dance?

[crosby]

absolutely......there is so much information that is not available yet, but i am sure one day soon it will come through...... then we dance.
regards, corson

[tenacity1]

first I want to thank the folks that understand my need for hope. My health just won't allow me to delve any deeper. One point I do want to make is one I have made for years. if everyone is screaming at each other, then we haven't turned our attention to what the govt is doing. I think if everyone could agree on four simple points, the collective power of tens of millions of folks would take back our govt.. those four things are: 1 transparency in govt
2. accountability in business and govt Ie; you are accountable to your customers/employees and citizens
3. honesty and ethics (simple enough)
4. the Golden Rule to "treat others as you would be treated"

That's the core of what I believe.. if that makes me naiive etc so be it.I intend to spread as much love and positive energy as I can before I get to leave this veli of tears they call the earth. I've seen what negativity can do and I shall not allow anyone to dissuade my that LOVE is the ultimate answer God is love, God is LIght and ultimately.. I'm just trying to be a good human being and be kind. Peace be with you all

[Pete]

tenacity1 I thank you for your post and I would suggest that you are thinking exactly as you should. This reality is nothing more than an illusion and we are own masters, come to terms with your power and realise you control your own reality. Live your life in accordance to your belief and stop worrying about the fear mongers, they are busy constructing their own reality.

Despite the nay sayers, the earth, gaia is evolving and you and every one else is coming along for the ride, how smooth the journey is, will be entirely up to you.

[felixq78]

How can we expect Drake to divulge any details publicly, he's said enough that the people may know what's coming and secure themselves for the coming weeks. Drake telling all he knows would be like giving the enemy the War Plan for an upcoming battle.
RuSA has well and truly been discredited and caught out lieing,... so any negative comments from them about Drake should be discounted.
I believe Wilcock.
Of course there will be many things the new Republic has in common with the NWO e.g. a cashless society. Isn't a society where cash is no longer necessary the perfect arrangement ? I believe it is. Just listen to Peter Joseph's ideas for a society built in such a way, I agree with many of the concepts, I had them long before I'd ever heard of him. These Anarchistic ideals are surely the only way for us to survive as a race.

[felixq78]

On the other hand he's made some fairly heavy threats about what is posted on the Camelot website and comments made by Kerry on another radio show . WTF ? He's talking about litigation and enacting the anti-terrorist laws just because there have been criticisms of him, what the hell is going on, does his new Republic not believe in freedom of speech ?
Maybe I'm wrong about this guy and he is part of the Cabal, as I'm listening to his latest speech he's saying some pretty strong stuff but I haven't heard what Kerry said so maybe litigation is a legitimate path to take. The anti-terrorist law stuff is still worrying but maybe it was just said in anger, it's obvious that she got under his skin.
The trouble is we're surrounded by disinformation, the more the Cabal feels threatened the more BS they spread and believe me, they are in a blind panic so it's up to us to stay calm and watch closely at what's happening so I'm still hoping Drake's plan is legitimate.

[Bill Ryan]

Real good news came out of the Fulford report, looks like Drake has been validated by Fulford's sources and looks like the information they are independently receiving is on the basic same page.


Drake has also been validated by Mike Quinsey's 'SaLuSa from Sirius'! That might tell us something.

:)

The most perspicacious post is Vivek's, here: come on, everyone, wake up...



I corrected a factual error in my OP that Drake had brought attention to - the fact that he is a memeber of the Vietnam Brotherhood and not it's founder. This is not that important considering the rest of the OP.

Drake also stated that the OP declared that he was a member of the "baby-killer" Illuminati. That is false. The "reference" in the OP is a quote taken from James Furia's blog that has "Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon" and "Nahash Illuminati" in the same sentence. They are not my words.

There was NO mention ANYWHERE of the L.O.R.D. group specifically OTHER than what was buried in Drake's internet history and the article from James Furia.

Drake alludes to the fact that the L.O.R.D. group has to do with the White Dragon Families that Ben Fulford brought to light. This is dishonest and misleading in my opinion.

Notice in the OP how Drake is trying to contact Fulford about the paperwork/movement getting ready to kick into gear?

Drake tries to say that he is not affiliated anymore with that stuff, but then states something to the extent that these "White Dragon Families" are waiting for his call to discuss what to do about the thread.

I can tell you that Drake is the owner of a website based on a group (there are a few) that he co-founded with Ray Stoner (or YAR NESTOR in the picture I posted for those who are paying attention). It wouldn't be a stretch to say that they are still together.

The things they do and the stuff they are into is harmless in my opinion.

I think Drake may have been taken aback by how much was uncovered and/or by how much may have been uncovered and left unsaid - therefore his reaction was threatening, intimidating, and defensive... Understandable.

What is troublesome to me is the fact that I know his influences (anybody can, just search what has been posted) and in conjunction with what he has stated about being "recomended by the lesser gods to the greater gods, and given great understandings, those beyond most comprehension", and "I am attempting to offer information to be heralded through-out mankind", and "I have been very busy in efforts to start a world wide peace process involving Iraq and the middle east" --- just how easy would it be for some "top-level insider" or someone like that to contact this man and feed him disinformation? All they would need to do would be to "appeal" to his personality, and make him believe what he already wants to believe.

No doubt in my mind, the man is a good, genuine guy. That's why this sucks.

He has embellished the story about sending the papers and recieving a "notification" back, he took advantage of his retort regarding my thread in order to connect himself to the "White Dragon Families" that Fulford speaks about, and the goal posts keep movin'.

It's like we are cranking a jack-in-the-box that will never pop out. Or at least not like we think it will.

This man now has a bully pulpit, and "supporters". Important questions are being overlooked and ignored as they are in hidden in the shadows of a noble cause. Dissenters from "Drake's plan" are labelled pessimistic, trolls, disinfo agents, etc. etc.

Nobody is arguing with the fact that the cause is noble, but LOOK in the shadows of what's going on right now and that's where the important issues are hiding, and they will be dangerous if they are overlooked.

This whole thing, if carried out, has a very good chance of resulting in a civil war. There are things that are running parallel to what's going on with Drake, and when these various things come to a head their collective synergies will result in societal upheavel.

A perfect excuse for flat out, in-your-face martial law.

Has anybody considered the fact that the arrests are being drawn out long enough for all of these interviews to take place, long enough for more people to catch wind of it, long enough for people to get restless, long enough for some alphabet agency to make a case against this whole thing as a terrorist coup d'etat?

If this thing garners enough attention for the mainstream media to snag it up I guarantee you that this whole effort will be thrown in the lot with "home-grown" terrorism.

If that happens you are going to have the majority of Americans fearing that some organization (described by however the MSM wants to paint them) is trying to overthrow the good old US of A. Throw the "terrorist" label on it and you've got a real problem on your hands.

If anything does happen it will be bloody before anything peaceful comes out of it, and looking at how this is unfolding (and getting a feel for what kind of a person Drake is) it sure as hell seems like we (and he) are all being played. So who is really calling the shots here?

Another thing that sucks is that if this is all true then what about all of the "sources" of "insiders" that have "vetted" Drake? What does that say about them?

There is DEFINITELY something wrong here.

[Taurean]

If TPTB had any incline that they were about to be usurped they would have lifted any suspects and tortured the hell out of them long ago to find out who was involved.

Just remember how the French and Russian Revolutions panned out. - the intellectuals/awake were first against the wall.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Real good news came out of the Fulford report, looks like Drake has been validated by Fulford's sources and looks like the information they are independently receiving is on the basic same page.


Drake has also been validated by Mike Quinsey's 'SaLuSa from Sirius'! That might tell us something.


Might? It says everything that SaLuSa is supporting Drake. I wonder which figment will come out next to express support. My money's on the tooth fairy.

[xbusymom]

If TPTB had any incline that they were about to be usurped they would have lifted any suspects and tortured the hell out of them long ago to find out who was involved.

Just remember how the French and Russian Revolutions panned out. - the intellectuals/awake were first against the wall.

yes, I wondered (as soon and as fast as this ball of yarn unraveled) if their forum of states activities wouldn't be hacked and used as a list of who to go get first...? the usual tactic is to compartmentalize and squash... and with there being no real chain of command and disconnected communications... the 'bottom-up' approach seems to fall right in with TPTB plans...

... just saying beware????

[EnergyGardener]

What is another inexpensive way to derail the "good guys?"


Simply announce support of your enemy.

The Negatives all have a party celebrating another "outed savior" and there's "one less thing."

The message to "wake up" is appropriate, indeed.

[sygh]

Not trying to bust anyone's bubble but the things we need to accomplish aren't looking as exciting as the drama surrounding this. What we DO will change the world. Why don't we share some of the things we have done, or some of the things we see as accomplishments, as well as our failures (what we have tried, or seen tried) with one another in this regard? How are we changing the world?

As to Drake, background checks have been done, now time will tell. Interestingly enough, the same thing can be said of us.

[EnergyGardener]

Not trying to bust anyone's bubble but the things we need to accomplish aren't looking as exciting as the drama surrounding this. What we DO will change the world. Why don't we share some of the things we have done, or some of the things we see as accomplishments, as well as our failures (what we have tried, or seen tried) with one another in this regard? How are we changing the world?

As to Drake, background checks have been done, now time will tell. Interestingly enough, the same thing can be said of us.

Drake is not unlike other very special Terrans: An imperfect human being doing the best he can for the greater good.

However, in his case, he is no longer anonymous, putting a public face on a very difficult (and by its nature disorganized) clandestine operation for the greatest noble purpose I can think of.

So catching grief like he is, while sad, particularly when he responds in frustration, instills my appreciation for his great contributions demonstrating tremendous honor, tenacity and courage.:usa2:

[xbusymom]

Not trying to bust anyone's bubble but the things we need to accomplish aren't looking as exciting as the drama surrounding this. What we DO will change the world. Why don't we share some of the things we have done, or some of the things we see as accomplishments, as well as our failures (what we have tried, or seen tried) with one another in this regard? How are we changing the world?

thats what the GROUPS are for... and I have tried to start several threads on that subject... no one seems interested in that (self promotion- I guess everyone is embarrased to show that they are not really doing much except talking on this board- how can one spend all day on here and get stuff done in the real world too??)... besides THIS thread is for updates on the plan that Drake is rallying for.

[KiwiElf]

Deatra & Drake will be moving to a new station of their own shortly to distance themselves from Brockbrader & WSR.
Until then, they will be here.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/freedomreigns/2012/05/13/freedom-reigns-clarification

No schedule as yet ;)

[Alie]

Deatra & Drake will be moving to a new station of their own shortly to distance themselves from Brockbrader & WSR.
Until then, they will be here.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/freedomreigns/2012/05/13/freedom-reigns-clarification

No schedule as yet ;)

According to the Freedom Reigns forum, this is what I found (not verified though) Saturday, 5/12/12 at 6:00 p.m.

**********EDIT

7-9pm EST was stated on the forum today.

**********EDIT AGAIN

SUNDAY 7pm EST --- not sure if Drake is on there.

[xbusymom]

Deatra & Drake will be moving to a new station of their own shortly to distance themselves from Brockbrader & WSR.
Until then, they will be here.


If Drake was directed by his chain of command to blast this news to all alternative media far and wide... why is he chopping off avenues right and left? (camelot, avalon, wsr) but now is setting up a radio station of his own? where did he get the money for that??

*oh, maybe that is what Deatra's fundraiser was for? - :rolleyes: 'got it!

[Mozart]

.

I have been informed by someone who is in direct contact with Drake that this issue with Avalon/Camelot is no longer an issue.


~Mozart"

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

I just have one more thing to say about this subject.

If there was indeed such a plan, the worse thing it could happen is to make it public.

Making such plan public, like these folks are doing, would compromise the whole operation.

The surprise element is one of the most effective strategic advantages. That´s why very important operations are always kept secret until their objective is achieved.

I´ve seen large operations, that took more than 3 years to be planned, getting canceled because of leaked information.

Folks, information leaking is so serious and can cause such a huge damage to any operation, that it´s the basic reason they have several levels of clearance at all intelligence agency around the world.

Personally, this "plan" have so many holes in it, that it´s looking worse than the worse Hollywood script ever written.

So, we basically have three options here:

1-All these folks are just lying and backing up each other for money, fame or attention.

2-These guys are giving this information for a reason, which is part of a planned strategy, that most probably have nothing to do with mass arrests and this sorts of things.

3-These folks are just stupid and have been played like a piano by the CIA or any other intelligence agency.

Cheers,

Raf.

[kk4aei]

See http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44953-PSCINET-Updates&p=485259&highlight=pscinet#post485259 for relevant updates.

[Dennis Leahy]

If Drake was directed by his chain of command to blast this news to all alternative media far and wide... why is he chopping off avenues right and left? (camelot, avalon, wsr) but now is setting up a radio station of his own? where did he get the money for that??

*oh, maybe that is what Deatra's fundraiser was for? - :rolleyes: 'got it! BlogTalkRadio has different levels for a radio show:
$0/month
$39/month
$99/month
$239/month

depending on what features you need/want. So, any of us could have a 'Blog Talk (https://secure.blogtalkradio.com/register.aspx?aid=HP-Voice&utm_source=Slider&utm_medium=HP-Voice&utm_campaign=HP-Voice)' radio show.

The free account seems pretty restrictive, and is the only one where they specify the number of listeners to the show (at a ridiculously low 5), but if the $39/month account allows unlimited listeners and only restricts the speaking guests and callers to 50, that would be plenty big for almost anyone.

There are other livestreaming options that are free (a lot of "Occupy" stuff was streamed live from many cities), so the cost is not really a factor for disseminating info (like a 'podcast'), unless you need the features of a call-in radio show format.

I am not paying close enough attention to know if Deatra ever specified what the money was for, but the initial impression was that it was a side issue, not part of Freedom Reigns or Drake, and that it was not something she caused (but something she felt compelled or needed to react to.) I do think there are some legitimate issues (*), but this isn't one of them.

*I'd guess Drake is overstepping the bounds of his role as the spokesperson for this group of patriots, interjecting way too much of himself and his opinions. I'd also say that the meltdown over something printed about him, even if would have been libelous, was a huge error in judgement on his part. There may be an apropriate venue and time to offer his recipe for coffee and offer his personal (Libertarian sounding) viewpoints on issues - but this is not it. I doubt anyone asked him to grab the microphone and make a necessary disclosure of legally-based arrests of senior government, banking, and corporate officials and knew he would fly-off into all the myriad tangents and declarations of his own opinions.

Drake, if you're reading this, it is time to shut your microphone off. If this plan really is going forward, your actual task is as finished as it will be - those with ears heard you. Now, be wise enough to see that your (or anyone else that holds the microphone too long) own personality and your own opinions are not helping. There's a button on the side of the microphone labeled "ON---OFF." Slide it to the OFF position, and wait to give the 24 hour warning when advised.

Dennis

[crossroader]

Hey folks,

I just have one more thing to say about this subject.

If there was indeed such a plan, the worse thing it could happen is to make it public.

Making such plan public, like these folks are doing, would compromise the whole operation.

The surprise element is one of the most effective strategic advantages. That´s why very important operations are always kept secret until their objective is achieved.

I´ve seen large operations, that took more than 3 years to be planned, getting canceled because of leaked information.

Folks, information leaking is so serious and can cause such a huge damage to any operation, that it´s the basic reason they have several levels of clearance at all intelligence agency around the world.

Personally, this "plan" have so many holes in it, that it´s looking worse than the worse Hollywood script ever written.

So, we basically have three options here:

1-All these folks are just lying and backing up each other for money, fame or attention.

2-These guys are giving this information for a reason, which is part of a planned strategy, that most probably have nothing to do with mass arrests and this sorts of things.

3-These folks are just stupid and have been played like a piano by the CIA or any other intelligence agency.

Cheers,

Raf.

A 4th possibility, discussed on this forum, is that what has been brought forth in public does not matter to the overall success of the plan. It would seem to me that the danger of the general public seeing the proposed scenario as an illegal and/or unlawful coup needs to be mitigated
to even a small degree by letting enough people understand what is to take place so that an uninformed backlash would not take place. Perhaps the reason we're hearing anything about this?
If it is really true that things have occurred, thwarting certain operations of the PTB, that have no prosaic explanation, I would take that as a 4th possibility.

[gripreaper]

So where in the power structure are the arrests going to start?

http://cosmicconvergence.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/699.jpg

[SilentFeathers]

So where in the power structure are the arrests going to start?

LOL! I think it's gonna start at the very bottom but I don't see the circle with "sheeple" written in it....

[Space_Ace]

So where in the power structure are the arrests going to start?

LOL! I think it's gonna start at the very bottom but I don't see the circle with "sheeple" written in it....

They are going for the big fish and their puppets. Around 300,000 worldwide will be arrested. Millions more minions will be arrested by the local cops. The rest of the minions will be nearly powerless once the big bosses are removed. Come ascension, they won't be joining us.

[KiwiElf]

So where in the power structure are the arrests going to start?

http://cosmicconvergence.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/699.jpg

And this chart is just a subset - primarily the USA - of the chart provided by Gripreaper (thankyou Gripreaper :)

16257

[KiwiElf]

I think all we can do is stay informed of each major trend point-of-view - regardless of how opposed they may appear to be - they are all possibilities. I know the outcomes I prefer (and Justoneman - we can change our minds ANY time we want ;))

...and as the old saying goes - hope for the best, prepare for the worst

[Pete]

suggest everyone takes a look at this

http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2012/05/11/freedom-reigns-5-6-12111/

[foreverfan]

You know when none of the chit happens, I'm going to look like a complete ass (again) for trying to wake up/inform people.

Oh well. I've been asked before if I'm a leg man or an ass man... I figured I must be an ass man because people are always coming up to me and saying "You're and ass, man."

[SilentFeathers]

suggest everyone takes a look at this

http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2012/05/11/freedom-reigns-5-6-12111/

He sounds just like one of those that he claims he is fighting against. I may be wrong (don't think so though), but I feel this dude has quite a few people duped.......

[SilentFeathers]

....and I think it's a bit ludicrous to think these power monger elite insane psychopaths will just allow themselves to be arrested. This Drake dude sounds like he's laying the "plan" out for the NWO to be stepping in soon and he's duping people into believing that it's some saviors bringing in the golden age. Drake may not actually know what is really going on and may be duped to, anything is possible. The one's that will probably be arrested during this possible transition are all the ones up high enough on the ladder that are influential threats that could persuade the masses of whats really happening.
RE: They just pillaged the whole earth and run everything!.........they own and run the one's that are supposedly going to arrest them. Perhaps I'm missing some info here and there, but I don't think I'm missing much of my common sense. We are in the age of not only awakening, but also of mass deception and manipulation. Common sense for many simply does not exists.

[Siberia9]

Anybody feel like this whole thing, start to finish, is one big staged show? Turning your govt into swine, destroying the monetary system (Sept 21st the Dollar will no longer be used to pay for oil, kiss it good bye BTW), corrupting ALL levels of western govt. basically making us hate the govt, the supposed secret group behind them and the banking cartels that finance it all. just so they can come in and save us all and bring in a nice new way to run the world. Golly gee good thing we defeated the bad guys. And we will all go along with it. thank gawd we didn't let'em put us in them FEMA camps. Yes sir them Bavarian Illuminati guys sure turned out to be good guys. Now we got that Meritocracy thing, all we gatta do is let'm raise our kids and give'em all our money and property and they will assign us all jobs and take care of us, whoo hoo!

It washed over me today that all the infighting between the Bloodline Family's and all the plans to get rid of the Banking Elite and their whole crew of scum and all the Santa Claus story's that go with being involved with any of these Family's and Orders is about to play out its final chapter for the world to see, and it may just be one big scam. Frankly I feel a little sick about it and I'm not even sure I'm exactly right but something is wrong about all this on multiple levels.

[KiwiElf]

It's perfectly possible - a perfect single possibility :) Is this the one that you prefer? ;)

[Alie]

Anybody feel like this whole thing, start to finish, is one big staged show? Turning your govt into swine, destroying the monetary system (Sept 21st the Dollar will no longer be used to pay for oil, kiss it good bye BTW), corrupting ALL levels of western govt. basically making us hate the govt, the supposed secret group behind them and the banking cartels that finance it all. just so they can come in and save us all and bring in a nice new way to run the world. Golly gee good thing we defeated the bad guys. And we will all go along with it. thank gawd we didn't let'em put us in them FEMA camps. Yes sir them Bavarian Illuminati guys sure turned out to be good guys. Now we got that Meritocracy thing, all we gatta do is let'm raise our kids and give'em all our money and property and they will assign us all jobs and take care of us, whoo hoo!

It washed over me today that all the infighting between the Bloodline Family's and all the plans to get rid of the Banking Elite and their whole crew of scum and all the Santa Claus story's that go with being involved with any of these Family's and Orders is about to play out its final chapter for the world to see, and it may just be one big scam. Frankly I feel a little sick about it and I'm not even sure I'm exactly right but something is wrong about all this on multiple levels.

Well I've noticed comments on this forum that agree with your suggestion that life is one big staged show and that there is a producer and director of it ---

But also, many of us believe that we can think/believe a positive ending to this show --- influence the outcome.

So maybe the question would be (and we have no way to know for sure) ...

Are we at the tipping point where people (everyday people not associated with alternative media) are realizing what this statement means?


"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
from the second section of the Declaration of Independence

[Ishtar]

Anybody feel like this whole thing, start to finish, is one big staged show? .

YES!


Whatever happened to us, the human race, that we have to spend so much time glued to our computer screens being conditioned by this kind of programming?

We're stuck to the internet, like a rabbit in the headlights, having to watch video after video after video, in an attempt to get to the bottom of this rabbit hole. It's not just fear porn. There's also hope porn. Sitcom writers are experts at hope porn. They just leave a little teaser at the end of each episode, just like the writers of psy ops.

The internet is not free and it is not ours. It is owned by the military. All these guys with their interminably loooooooooong interviews telling us what's really going on and what we should do are connected to the military, even the latest one who's just pulled up alongside, Major Hathaway, to move the goalposts to October now that Drake with his June is losing credibility. Very powerful factions within the military want to overthrow the status quo to replace it with their own status quo.

They've been slowly bringing us to the boil over 2012 ever since that Mayan calendar was discovered which ended then. Since then, other Mayan calendars have been discovered that go way past 2012, by thousands of years, but you never hear about these. This one was found last year (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?2984-Newly-Discovered-Mayan-Calendar-Goes-Way-Beyond-2012).

In any case, the 21st December 2012 of that original Mayan calendar can in no way correlate to our own timeline because, since the various calendar reforms by first Julius Caesar in 46 BC and then Pope Gregory XIII in 1582, we’re no longer in synch with the Mayans Short Count or Long Count calendars.

But I guess these military men were counting on our lack of intelligence in figuring that out.

In any case, they then came up with this fiction of "Looking Glass" and convinced us, through arse-numblingly tedious YouTube videos, that it predicted the end for the global elite on 21st December 2012, and so "the global elite are panicking and trying to do a grabbit and run before then... but don't worry, if you follow the right leaders, and do as you're told, ET will come and save you before then.

"Oh, and by the way, don't even think about Looking Glass, because if you do, it will know you are thinking about it."

We have no way of verifiying any of this except by other stuff we've read... but we couldn't verify that either. Who here has been to Mars via a jump room? Who here has seen Looking Glass?

It's just one uncashed cheque supporting another uncashed cheque supporting another uncashed cheque.... and it could very well be a tissue of lies. How would we know?

One of the noble attempts at due diligence on this forum, recently, was stamped all over with death threats by one of those purporting to be leading us to this Land of Milk of Honey.

So if we do as they say, and go along with their revolution, we're told that the ETs will arrive on Earth and give us their enhanced technology. "No, they won't come during the revolution. ... so you just have to have faith." But go along with these military guys, and "once they're in power, the ETs wil show up." Wow... just what we need... more technology. :rolleyes: That'll help us all to get on with each other better, won't it? And hey, maybe they even have a special ladder to God, like Jacob's. Yeah!!! That must be what that story in the Bible meant. Why has this ladder been hidden from us? It's dem pesky evil global elite again!!

Are we really that stupid? No we're not.

These military guys are stealing our time, our thoughts and our consciousness.

And if the world economic system does come crashing down, it won't be our fault for not following the right leader. It will be their fault for crashing it in their bid for power.

Well, I'm not watching any more of their videos, because I've been given this extraordinary gift of Life, and I want to experience it to the fullest. They can take their science fiction writers and shove them up where the sun don't shine. I'm going out to sniff the air, to smell the blossoms, to watch the gambolling spring lambs. 'Scuse me... while I kiss the sky! ;)


Some people have taken a pill of red
Some have taken a pill of blue
And some have taken all the pills
And flushed them down the loo!

http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=305&d=1336821790

[wynderer]

another take on Drake


] Thus, a characteristic feature of cargo cults is the belief that spiritual agents will, at some future time, give much valuable cargo and desirable manufactured products to the cult members.[3]

when i read Houman's 1st article on cargo cults, i thought, 'How bizarre' --

but thinking about it -- we have lots of cargo cults going on in 'developed' countries & here on Avalon-- like the ones re the benevolent ETs coming to save us , promising the material benefit of saving one's physical body & our dying planet

& Drake & his White Hats , courageously rushing in to save Humans' money from the bad guys -- again, focusing on material gifts

these newage cargo cults come & go, after the 'spiritual agents' fail to deliver on their promises

Posted by Houman (here)
If some of these dark entities consume human glandular secretions by literally bathing into them as described in the book of the dead ("Behold ye then god this great slaughter, mighty of terror, he washeth in your blood, he batheth in your gore.") then the idea that Egyptians (and others) have created a "cargo cult" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult) out of it through imitation would make sense...

[SilentFeathers]

One must also consider and ask the question that if "whoever" arrested everyone in the congress, senate, obama admin, bush admin, some rogue ceo's of of corps and banks, some bad military personnel, a few bernie madoff types here and there, etc etc, will this "mass arrest" actually cut the head off of the snake so to speak????? I doubt it very much! It'll be the false flag of all false flags and allow the NWO of "Sorcerers" to walk right in cloaked as hero's to save us little children that they call "less than human". Sheesh, use common sense and this all really makes a lot more sense......

It's all about manipulation and control and thet're doing a darn good job at it in my opinion....

[Space_Ace]

To the skeptics above, I already realize that we each have to save ourselves. I am not going to look for any external saviors. I am doing my part to raise my own awareness by reading about what's really going on. If ascension does become a reality, having a little knowledge is better than none. If mass arrests do finally happen this year, alot more people will wake up and ascend.

[Dennis Leahy]

Anybody feel like this whole thing, start to finish, is one big staged show? Turning your govt into swine, destroying the monetary system (Sept 21st the Dollar will no longer be used to pay for oil, kiss it good bye BTW), corrupting ALL levels of western govt. basically making us hate the govt, the supposed secret group behind them and the banking cartels that finance it all. just so they can come in and save us all and bring in a nice new way to run the world. Golly gee good thing we defeated the bad guys. And we will all go along with it. thank gawd we didn't let'em put us in them FEMA camps. Yes sir them Bavarian Illuminati guys sure turned out to be good guys. Now we got that Meritocracy thing, all we gatta do is let'm raise our kids and give'em all our money and property and they will assign us all jobs and take care of us, whoo hoo!

It washed over me today that all the infighting between the Bloodline Family's and all the plans to get rid of the Banking Elite and their whole crew of scum and all the Santa Claus story's that go with being involved with any of these Family's and Orders is about to play out its final chapter for the world to see, and it may just be one big scam. Frankly I feel a little sick about it and I'm not even sure I'm exactly right but something is wrong about all this on multiple levels.
But, if you've been paying attention to the government - for a VERY long time - you'll know that the government really is despicable. It's not a mind-game. War has been used as a money-maker for many decades at the very least, and (if the alternate history is correct), for centuries. That one fact alone - that there are men who can sit around and plan war, death, and destruction to make their piles of gold bigger is enough to make any sane person want them out of power. Unfortunately, people have not been smart enough to see that they gamed the entire system, and that is why voting for one of the 2 people pre-selected and vetted by the Power Elite (vetted to do the bidding of the Power Elite) never changes anything.

The next cluster of politicians, just like those that came before them, are bought-off or have bought-into the pyramid of wealth accumulation, and it has been exponentially expanding. The 2008 economic crisis was planned/engineered by the banking elite. The 1929 stock market crash was planned and executed by them. They don't care at all about human suffering, just greed. The 2008 "crisis" is a puff of smoke compared to the $700 trillion dollars in derivatives that have be "hot-potato" traded just about as many time as possible on the world market, and now it is time to find out who is holding the worthless pieces of paper. I'm going to bet that the sophisticated people who planned the whole derivatives scam have made trillions of dollars, and don't own ANY of the paper at all any more.

I think my mom and dad, my family members and yours, are about to find out where the paper ended up: somehow, "amazingly" it will be the majority of every retirement account and savings account of all the regular folks. Folks who will soon be broke, in survival mode, after working their asses off for their entire lives. Banks will foreclose on 100 million properties in the US, and the ultra-rich (who own massive amounts of real estate property, gold, platinum, silver, etc. but NOT any derivative-backed paper) will be buying the foreclosed homes, farms, and businesses for pennies on the dollar - just like they did in the 1930's "Great Depression." (That is, this is their plan - this is what we must stop.)

Don't doubt what you know. These people really are evil. Even if you don't believe there is a "secret government", you must realize that there is a group of (at least independent) ultra-rich empires that collude and force policy changes to allow them the highest profits with no cares at all about workers or the environment. You must see that Monsanto is trying to take over the world's food supply, expanding GMO seeds, buying up most other seed companies, creating plants with "suicide" (infertile) seeds. If Monsanto was the only evil force in the world, the people of the world would have a formidable foe - but there are dozens of corporations just as evil in their own fields.

I do think there is cross-communication between these people at or near the top of the pyramid. I think it is more of a "Mafia" structure than a secret "government" structure, but that there is interplay and top-level planning done by them. And it ain't to benefit you and me.

I don't doubt that these people play massive games with our heads, and get us to do stupid things in a herding mentality. We are easily manipulated. I don't know for sure if the tsunami that hit Japan was human-engineered, and whether (as some say) the nuclear reactors were further deliberately sabotaged. But I do know with complete certainty that 9/11 was a false flag event, and that the perpetrators had to be embedded within the US government, and the US government and mass-media has been the cover-up team. I also am convinced that very high-tech weaponry was used to drop those buildings, turning steel and concrete to dust, at near free-fall speed - and that most of us still are clueless as to how exactly they did it. With that level and degree of capability, plus the will, plus the laws that are in-place right this minute, they have complete capability to create a giant false-flag event, declare Marshall Law, crash the economy to further make us helpless, and herd us into FEMA camps for our "safety."

So, does it make any sense at all that, rather than use the most powerful weapons they have (fear, propaganda, false-flags), that instead, they'd find some good 'ol buy from Tennessee to pretend to be the spokesperson for a group of patriots? Who tells us to keep our guns oiled and ammo stocked, and fill our pantries? Note, he didn't say, lay down your weapons when the "good guys" disguised as Homeland Security knock on your door. He encouraged militia-types to stay in touch with their militia. He said that the action starts with senior government and banking and corporate officials being arrested, right? He did not say, we're going to pretend to surrender to FEMA camps and wait there for the arrests to occur, right?

Not believing Drake's story is one thing, but at least we should pay attention to what the story is, and whether it really does or really does not put us into a more compromised position.

If no one "good" has the courage to do anything at all, I think we can pretty well guarantee that those who are ruled by greed will keep doing what they do, and that in addition to the genocide and ecocide they currently preside over, and the unbelievable (and unearned) disparity of wealth they live in versus the abject poverty of the vast majority of humanity, they know full well that someone is going to get stuck with $700 trillion dollars worth of nothing, and very soon. It won't be pretty. We could sit around and talk about chemtrails and reptoids and pretend to be awake and aware. We could listen to the loudest person, shouting with the most passion.

Don't count on any helpful advice from the folks at Avalon who are farting forth warnings and know-it-all posturing with no plans whatsoever beyond taking care of themselves - and warning us to do the same. The clueless and selfish self-proclaimed saviors/shamans/interpreters trying to lead the gullible, by telling the gullible they are gullible and not to follow any saviors, shamans, or interpreters, but do listen to them. Ha!

In my opinion, (which is just as valuable or worthless as anyone else's opinion) the Drake "threads" are over. If the plan by patriots is real, it will happen if they can make it happen. The info that needed to be disseminated was. With the vast majority of people unable and unwilling to unite to try something as a mass group of citizens, I'd say, at this moment, it is the only thing that could even possibly work. (Yes, I'm excluding all of the 5D, 6D, 10D "dimensional shift", "cosmic shift", ET/ED intervention stuff, because to me it requires belief that I don't have. Include it if you want to.) I hope this patriot group is real, and that they are successful. Don't count on Drake, or the patriots, but don't spend too much more time analyzing the ingredients of the stew. We'll know soon enough.

Maybe one of the very noisy negative people here on Avalon is working on a plan! Someone be sure to alert me when one of the self-proclaimed saviors, shamans, or interpreters here comes up with a plan worth checking out - that is, a plan that doesn't involve ignoring the suffering of humanity and just taking care of myself.

Dennis

[SilentFeathers]

Not believing Drake's story is one thing, but at least we should pay attention to what the story is, and whether it really does or really does not put us into a more compromised position.


The positive aspect regardless if Drake is telling the truth or not is that he sure has drawn attention to some of the major problems going on around the globe, there is always a flip side to every coin.

....and I ascended this morning!!!!! (when I climbed out of bed) :)

Edit: Fixed quote identity

Added: I am pretty much done wasting my time and energy about this Drake saga thing, it is like a vampire sucking energy out of so many, myself included......we all know "something" big is gonna happen, best to get our own houses in order before we start focusing on some ones else's so much....Drake is Drake and doing what he's doing, whoopity do!. I'm done being sucked into this frenzie of twisted speculation and will tend to my own home, my own family, not his any longer, and watch for the signs that I see, not what someone else see's.......

Peace and awareness to all!

[Space_Ace]

To Dennis, Drake says that 80% of the soldiers are awake and that he's a spokesman for a 30 year mass arrest plan. They are very much aware of all the evil and corruption in the world, unlike most of the general population. It remains to be seen if they can put the plan into action and if the elites can't thwart their arrests.

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To the skeptics above, I already realize that we each have to save ourselves. I am not going to look for any external saviors. I am doing my part to raise my own awareness by reading about what's really going on. If ascension does become a reality, having a little knowledge is better than none. If mass arrests do finally happen this year, alot more people will wake up and ascend.

[xbusymom]

Anybody feel like this whole thing, start to finish, is one big staged show? .

YES!


Whatever happened to us, the human race, that we have to spend so much time glued to our computer screens being conditioned by this kind of programming?

We're stuck to the internet, like a rabbit in the headlights, having to watch video after video after video, in an attempt to get to the bottom of this rabbit hole. It's not just fear porn. There's also hope porn. Sitcom writers are experts at hope porn. They just leave a little teaser at the end of each episode, just like the writers of psy ops.

The internet is not free and it is not ours. It is owned by the military. All these guys with their interminably loooooooooong interviews telling us what's really going on and what we should do are connected to the military, even the latest one who's just pulled up alongside, Major Hathaway, to move the goalposts to October now that Drake with his June is losing credibility. Very powerful factions within the military want to overthrow the status quo to replace it with their own status quo.

They've been slowly bringing us to the boil over 2012 ever since that Mayan calendar was discovered which ended then. Since then, other Mayan calendars have been discovered that go way past 2012, by thousands of years, but you never hear about these. This one was found last year (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?2984-Newly-Discovered-Mayan-Calendar-Goes-Way-Beyond-2012).

In any case, the 21st December 2012 of that original Mayan calendar can in no way correlate to our own timeline because, since the various calendar reforms by first Julius Caesar in 46 BC and then Pope Gregory XIII in 1582, we’re no longer in synch with the Mayans Short Count or Long Count calendars.

But I guess these military men were counting on our lack of intelligence in figuring that out.

In any case, they then came up with this fiction of "Looking Glass" and convinced us, through arse-numblingly tedious YouTube videos, that it predicted the end for the global elite on 21st December 2012, and so "the global elite are panicking and trying to do a grabbit and run before then... but don't worry, if you follow the right leaders, and do as you're told, ET will come and save you before then.

"Oh, and by the way, don't even think about Looking Glass, because if you do, it will know you are thinking about it."

We have no way of verifiying any of this except by other stuff we've read... but we couldn't verify that either. Who here has been to Mars via a jump room? Who here has seen Looking Glass?

It's just one uncashed cheque supporting another uncashed cheque supporting another uncashed cheque.... and it could very well be a tissue of lies. How would we know?

One of the noble attempts at due diligence on this forum, recently, was stamped all over with death threats by one of those purporting to be leading us to this Land of Milk of Honey.

So if we do as they say, and go along with their revolution, we're told that the ETs will arrive on Earth and give us their enhanced technology. "No, they won't come during the revolution. ... so you just have to have faith." But go along with these military guys, and "once they're in power, the ETs wil show up." Wow... just what we need... more technology. :rolleyes: That'll help us all to get on with each other better, won't it? And hey, maybe they even have a special ladder to God, like Jacob's. Yeah!!! That must be what that story in the Bible meant. Why has this ladder been hidden from us? It's dem pesky evil global elite again!!

Are we really that stupid? No we're not.

These military guys are stealing our time, our thoughts and our consciousness.

And if the world economic system does come crashing down, it won't be our fault for not following the right leader. It will be their fault for crashing it in their bid for power.

Well, I'm not watching any more of their videos, because I've been given this extraordinary gift of Life, and I want to experience it to the fullest. They can take their science fiction writers and shove them up where the sun don't shine. I'm going out to sniff the air, to smell the blossoms, to watch the gambolling spring lambs. 'Scuse me... while I kiss the sky! ;)


Some people have taken a pill of red
Some have taken a pill of blue
And some have taken all the pills
And flushed them down the loo!

http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=305&d=1336821790




It's all about manipulation and control and thet're doing a darn good job at it in my opinion....

Good points to consider...

I guess that makes the most sense yet. My son said something the other day that really made so much sense, too, it caught me off-guard...

He said sort of the same thing... “when all the angles of the conspiracy activities have been considered- you can't really do much about it, as a single individual, and you still end up having to - go to work to pay the bills, put food on the table, and take care of your daily business, and if you put your mind into THAT- you don't really have time to worry about all the conspiracy activities”.

So the only thing that will make a difference in our lives is to ignore all of this stuff and just go live life???? does that mean that if we ignore it -it will all go away ?

Well, OK then... I know I have lost a lot of production time in the activities I wanted to do- all because I wanted to connect with like minded people (instead of the locals' who only want to chat and complain about the weather here) who are also starved for deep and meaningful conversations.

I guess is really is about connecting on a personal level and enjoying each other's company...

[sdv]

I guess is really is about connecting on a personal level and enjoying each other's company...

If human beings did not question, consider and debate the 'what ifs' and dream outside the box, we would all be very boring and nothing would change ever. And, as you say, a lot of people don't stop to question or consider the 'what ifs'. What's really nice about this community is we argue and debate and really challenge each other to question our beliefs. That's good!

[xbusymom]

I guess is really is about connecting on a personal level and enjoying each other's company...

If human beings did not question, consider and debate the 'what ifs' and dream outside the box, we would all be very boring and nothing would change ever. And, as you say, a lot of people don't stop to question or consider the 'what ifs'. What's really nice about this community is we argue and debate and really challenge each other to question our beliefs. That's good!

yes, and now we need to find a way to restart and expand that into our local communities (a revival - of sorts-).

[gripreaper]

Maybe one of the very noisy negative people here on Avalon is working on a plan! Someone be sure to alert me when one of the self-proclaimed saviors, shamans, or interpreters here comes up with a plan worth checking out - that is, a plan that doesn't involve ignoring the suffering of humanity and just taking care of myself.

Dennis

Dennis, the "plan" first and foremost is to get one's personal house in order. This includes, as you have so eloquently stated elsewhere, food storage, home gardens, move assets from the big banks to local credit union's, get out of debt, etc.

Then, move out into our local communities and talk to other like minded people, and create local co-operatives, and begin to get involved in the local elections for sheriff, etc. Then, once your county is even remotely civil and trustworthy, take it to your state. Change is a bottom up prospect, not a top down.

Then, the other larger things, such as your Reset Button, Wade Frasiers energy initiatives, how to become sovereign, etc. don't seem to get much traction in the collective at this time. Historically, these types of initiatives come into play when things get really bad.

I know it's frustrating that we don't see more people upset and passionate about actually doing something, but that is human nature. Until the homeland security guys are standing at the front door, most of us wont do anything.

[crossroader]

[/QUOTE]

I know it's frustrating that we don't see more people upset and passionate about actually doing something, but that is human nature. Until the homeland security guys are standing at the front door, most of us wont do anything.[/QUOTE]

I say it like this: When the masses have enough trouble getting their beer and toilet paper, then we might see the People take back their power and effect the return to the pretense "of the people, by the people, for the people." The pretense itself is what has been made to seem hopeless for too many. Getting it back seems to me to be the major initial object. That's why I'm not interested in all the specifics being debated, people have to first start believing they can believe.

[promezeus]

Ishtar, have you listened to Wilcock's 5/9 ctc show on youtube and his latest blog post at www.divinecosmos.com called Divine Intervention?

[SilentFeathers]

I wrote this a few weeks ago and posted it on my own website after listening to one of Drakes earlier interviews and thought I'd post it here in this thread and wanted to share it with you all. I hope you all don't mind, this is what I was feeling after listening to that interview,,,,

Reality is Mistaken

People (most people) will believe almost anything that makes them feel safe or that will make them not have to deal with reality and will follow just about anyone with some of the most idiotic theories for the same exact reasons regardless if they know if it is real or unreal because they do not have the "courage" or "spiritual strength" to think and act for themselves.


When one (of the many) actually find the courage or spiritual strength to actually believe in themselves and to accept the actual reality that is in front of them, they often scatter in fear and fall back in to the place of illusion and absentmindedness......


Those that actually make it past this challenge often find themselves alone and reaching for others hoping that at least one other person will understand them and know that they are not insane or mistaken....


SilentFeathers 4-29-2012

[KiwiElf]

I certainly hope it doesn't get to the point where the 99 % sink to the level of poverty say,... as seen in 3rd World countries? What will it take? What would happen? Already we can see big changes in this direction. The mouse is beginning to roar. ;)

[sygh]

Maybe one of the very noisy negative people here on Avalon is working on a plan! Someone be sure to alert me when one of the self-proclaimed saviors, shamans, or interpreters here comes up with a plan worth checking out - that is, a plan that doesn't involve ignoring the suffering of humanity and just taking care of myself.

Dennis

Dennis, the "plan" first and foremost is to get one's personal house in order. This includes, as you have so eloquently stated elsewhere, food storage, home gardens, move assets from the big banks to local credit union's, get out of debt, etc.

Then, move out into our local communities and talk to other like minded people, and create local co-operatives, and begin to get involved in the local elections for sheriff, etc. Then, once your county is even remotely civil and trustworthy, take it to your state. Change is a bottom up prospect, not a top down.

Then, the other larger things, such as your Reset Button, Wade Frasiers energy initiatives, how to become sovereign, etc. don't seem to get much traction in the collective at this time. Historically, these types of initiatives come into play when things get really bad.

I know it's frustrating that we don't see more people upset and passionate about actually doing something, but that is human nature. Until the homeland security guys are standing at the front door, most of us wont do anything.

Remember, if you live outside the city, it's going to be hard to get around, I mean the distance between where you live and urban hubs. Consider alternative transportation, if necessary.

[felixq78]

where the hell do you guys find the time to participate in all this bs?
obviously the same place you get the time to read it...

It's called.... multi-tasking! :P

Ha ha excellent reply.

[StarDust]

Looks like Drake is returning to the airwaves. Update show with Deatra wed on FreedomReigns.US. Time TBA.

http://freedomreigns.us/Upcoming_Shows.html

[wynderer]

another thought about the Drake frenzy -- the whole thing is very similar to the 'SourceA' stuff on OpenMinds forum [no longer active last time i checked]

at that time i listened to an interview w/the authors of 'The Stargate Conspiracy,' who said that USA intel likes to observe & learn from groups who have fallen for the latest Messiah scam , & that they especially like to see how folks deal w/it as time passes & it becomes obvious that what the current messiah was saying is not true

[Fred Steeves]

at that time i listened to an interview w/the authors of 'The Stargate Conspiracy,' who said that USA intel likes to observe & learn from groups who have fallen for the latest Messiah scam , & that they especially like to see how folks deal w/it as time passes & it becomes obvious that what the current messiah was saying is not true

Don't know if that's true or not, but I certainly would be far from shocked if it were. Thing is, if they are that interested in studying this dynamic, then they are also likely to be affiliated with the folks that orchestrate these things in the first place.

[charlesgilbertwright]

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[Bryn ap Gwilym]

another thought about the Drake frenzy -- the whole thing is very similar to the 'SourceA' stuff on OpenMinds forum [no longer active last time i checked]

at that time i listened to an interview w/the authors of 'The Stargate Conspiracy,' who said that USA intel likes to observe & learn from groups who have fallen for the latest Messiah scam , & that they especially like to see how folks deal w/it as time passes & it becomes obvious that what the current messiah was saying is not true

Hi.

Ie, and with every new version comes an improved storyline. It would seem that they are tweaking (hacking) every couple of months now & watching how it plays out (runs). Its uncanny how human behaviour & software can be manipulated into virtually any design the programmer wants. Makes you wonder if in fact life itself is nothing more than a SIMS game.

So isn't it just possible that the storyline is only being held together & allowed to play out / run because of the same people (programmes) jumping on and screaming "he's the real deal" while rallying around for support & attacking all who see through the scam every fews months?

Maybe the problem is closer to home than folk believe?

[xbusymom]

Maybe the problem is closer to home than folk believe?

???... meaning... ???

[EnergyGardener]

This is my understanding of Human circumstances:

A. By the end of this year (plus or minus months) the CABAL and so-called elected leadership will be gone and liberated humanity will enjoy universal standing and commerce.

B. The Planned economic downfall will have started within 90 days.

C. ET/ED has and continues to clean-up the Earth and 4th+ Dimensioned beings that have ruled us for thousands of years. The TPTW no longer enjoys their financial and extra-dimensional powers over humanity; the grid and matrix (mind control systems) and chemtrail systems have already been substantially damaged and will be fully removed soon.

D. Thus, we are now fully capable with no further excuses for not stopping the madness now. Humanity itself will decide whether US Marshals & Military are mobilized prior to the economic crash and self-destruction of civilians against civilians as planned by TPTW.


1. ET/ED cannot enter our dimension currently at this time as we are capable of doing that ourselves.
2. Humans will create a much better standing for itself to immediately provide the necessary leadership and self-determination.
3. This is my personal opinion: Many humans are choosing to have Revelations play out; they will be dissatisfied if blood doesn't run deep and Christ doesn't descend out of the clouds.

a. If this happens, it is by group karmic choice to "learn" the consequences of refusal to read the obvious signs of enslavement and ignorance.
b. If this happens, it is by group karmic choice to Return-to-Source.


Thus, the level of human suffering (human population that remains at the end when new "good" bottom-up "human" leadership) after the collapse occurs is determined upon how well in the weeks ahead humanity can work together with civilian and military globally. We have time to accomplish that, but only by actual leaders.

There is no time or effort available to deal with responses by the Negatives and Critics.

[StarDust]

This is my understanding of Human circumstances:

A. By the end of this year (plus or minus months) the CABAL and so-called elected leadership will be gone and liberated humanity will enjoy universal standing and commerce.

B. The Planned economic downfall will have started within 90 days.

C. ET/ED has and continues to clean-up the Earth and 4th+ Dimensioned beings that have ruled us for thousands of years. The TPTW no longer enjoys their financial and extra-dimensional powers over humanity; the grid and matrix (mind control systems) and chemtrail systems have already been substantially damaged and will be fully removed soon.

D. Thus, we are now fully capable with no further excuses for not stopping the madness now. Humanity itself will decide whether US Marshals & Military are mobilized prior to the economic crash and self-destruction of civilians against civilians as planned by TPTW.


1. ET/ED cannot enter our dimension currently at this time as we are capable of doing that ourselves.
2. Humans will create a much better standing for itself to immediately provide the necessary leadership and self-determination.
3. This is my personal opinion: Many humans are choosing to have Revelations play out; they will be dissatisfied if blood doesn't run deep and Christ doesn't descend out of the clouds.

a. If this happens, it is by group karmic choice to "learn" the consequences of refusal to read the obvious signs of enslavement and ignorance.
b. If this happens, it is by group karmic choice to Return-to-Source.


Thus, the level of human suffering (human population that remains at the end when new "good" bottom-up "human" leadership) after the collapse occurs is determined upon how well in the weeks ahead humanity can work together with civilian and military globally. We have time to accomplish that, but only by actual leaders.

There is no time or effort available to deal with responses by the Negatives and Critics.

Very nice summation. Spot on!

[Cartomancer]

On Red Ice Radio Cliff High is debunking all of this.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/05/RIR-120510.php

[crossroader]

I like this take on that...

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=239539

[Dennis Leahy]

Dennis, the "plan" first and foremost is to get one's personal house in order. This includes, as you have so eloquently stated elsewhere, food storage, home gardens, move assets from the big banks to local credit union's, get out of debt, etc.

Then, move out into our local communities and talk to other like minded people, and create local co-operatives, and begin to get involved in the local elections for sheriff, etc. Then, once your county is even remotely civil and trustworthy, take it to your state. Change is a bottom up prospect, not a top down.

Then, the other larger things, such as your Reset Button, Wade Frasiers energy initiatives, how to become sovereign, etc. don't seem to get much traction in the collective at this time. Historically, these types of initiatives come into play when things get really bad.

I know it's frustrating that we don't see more people upset and passionate about actually doing something, but that is human nature. Until the homeland security guys are standing at the front door, most of us wont do anything.
I agree with just about every word of this, 100%, but would modify one phrase, "Change is a bottom up prospect, not a top down." to "Change is both a bottom-up and top-down prospect."

I'd even say that the bottom-up is more critically important, but in a way like air is more critically important to our staying alive than water.

When I started researching for what ended up to be The Reset Button, I was only thinking top-down. Once the initial version was published, Occupy (coincidentally) started, and even erupted in the medium-sized (~90,000 population) town I'm in, so there was a local passionate group of people who demanded change, and I went to the local Occupy to tell them about The Reset Button. Luckily, I immediately met a very bright guy who happened to have been at Occupy Wall Street in New York, and had watched and helped it evolve. When I started to talk to him he recognized I was looking top-down, and "schooled" me that top-down was being abandoned, and that the great wave of energy emanating from Occupy was to reach every city, town, small town, and hamlet, and start a ground-up/community revolution/evolution - ignoring and abandoning the status quo, taking care of ourselves, and growing community. (The other gem from Occupy was the rejection of vertical governance in favor of horizontal - as horizontal as possible.)

I knew he was right. If your heart and mind are open to truth, truth enters instantaneously. I didn't argue with him, but I also knew he was not completely correct either. I knew there were things that could never* be touched from a ground-up approach. *("never" is not accurate, but remains far, far outside the scope of probable reality. Instead of just 10% of the population ignoring and abandoning the status quo, it would require probably 75% or more of the population to affect the biggest issues from a strictly bottom-up approach.)

The United States economy is currently built on the war-for-profit and imperialistic paradigm. A ground-up movement, even with 20% of the population participating (and that number would be astounding) would have no effect on that paradigm. Hundreds of millions more human lives would be taken by my country in other countries that the US deems as "strategic" or "critical to America's interests", or one of the other euphemisms used to grease the war machine's gears. With the high-tech tools of modern warfare, they need less and less "troops"/soldiers, so even starving off their recruiting from the bottom up is not going to be an effective strategy. There will always be willing mercenaries, and the psychology of "serving", "defending", "proud tradition", etc. will continue to work on others.

Monsanto alone is like a malevolent, rogue nation, operating under the protection of the USA. The Big Pharma and Big Ag empires are in a direct line of clash with a bottom-up movement, and the corrupt politicians will continue to pass laws making self-sustaining, self-nurturing, self-healing communities' activities illegal. The Big Boys, Godzilla and his brothers, won't be ignored to death. It's not a matter of not buying what they are selling. Not having an effective top-down approach when the community movement meets these malevolent forces will mean certain victory for the Godzilloids.

Another big problem for me personally, is that a strictly bottom-up approach - even embracing community - still feels inadequate and selfish. If we who care don't care enough to also ensure the well-being of those beyond community, who will?

Top-down alone would be inadequate and a temporary solution at best. Even if we get rid of the Financial Elite's current methods of infiltrating the governmental power structure, more avenues will be discovered and exploited when they need them. A top-down approach like Phase I of The Reset Button would also nurture a bottom-up approach, even if that wasn't the direct intent. But I am convinced that if the average person doesn't make the personal, internal changes necessary to nurture a bottom-up, personal-through-community approach, and simply uses a top-down approach as a crutch, panacea, or savior, that the malevolent sociopaths will simply regroup and figure out other ways to gain and maintain control.

My conclusion is that the ultimate solution is to combine a comprehensive bottom-up approach with a comprehensive top-down approach. I agree it is wise to abandon every top-down approach that has ever been tried so far - they don't work (because the strategies and plans are weak, incomplete, and piecemeal.) But that doesn't mean that a smarter top-down approach can't work to handle the part of the overall paradigm change that needs a top-down vector.

Dennis

[Dennis Leahy]

at that time i listened to an interview w/the authors of 'The Stargate Conspiracy,' who said that USA intel likes to observe & learn from groups who have fallen for the latest Messiah scam , & that they especially like to see how folks deal w/it as time passes & it becomes obvious that what the current messiah was saying is not true

Don't know if that's true or not, but I certainly would be far from shocked if it were. Thing is, if they are that interested in studying this dynamic, then they are also likely to be affiliated with the folks that orchestrate these things in the first place.



another thought about the Drake frenzy -- the whole thing is very similar to the 'SourceA' stuff on OpenMinds forum [no longer active last time i checked]

at that time i listened to an interview w/the authors of 'The Stargate Conspiracy,' who said that USA intel likes to observe & learn from groups who have fallen for the latest Messiah scam , & that they especially like to see how folks deal w/it as time passes & it becomes obvious that what the current messiah was saying is not true

Hi.

Ie, and with every new version comes an improved storyline. It would seem that they are tweaking (hacking) every couple of months now & watching how it plays out (runs). Its uncanny how human behaviour & software can be manipulated into virtually any design the programmer wants. Makes you wonder if in fact life itself is nothing more than a SIMS game.

So isn't it just possible that the storyline is only being held together & allowed to play out / run because of the same people (programmes) jumping on and screaming "he's the real deal" while rallying around for support & attacking all who see through the scam every fews months?

Maybe the problem is closer to home than folk believe?
One thing you have to watch out for is falling into the trap that anyone who stands up is a double agent. That's self-defeating if no one from "our side" can ever unite us because we're so afraid of being gamed.

I guess that's where personal intuition plays a strong role, even though I know (watch PsyWar) they are constantly gaming us. We can't let that paralyze us.

Dennis

[Bill Ryan]

On Red Ice Radio Clif High is debunking all of this.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/05/RIR-120510.php

On record here (note this!): :)

For the first time, I completely agree with Clif High -- especially re Fukushima (a potentially extremely serious global-impact problem happening right now) -- and his take on 'Drake' (he's right).

Here are Red Ice Radio's notes to the broadcast:





Clif High - Hour 1 - The "Mass Arrests" Claim, Fulford & The White Dragon Society

May 10, 2012

Clif High, along with his associate George Ure, developed the Web Bot, or the Web Bot Project in the late 1990s. It's an Internet bot software program or a web spider that originally was designed to predict stock market trends. Eventually it developed into something different. Now it's claimed to be able to predict future events by tracking keywords on the web.

In the first hour of the program Clif gives his take on a story of coming "mass arrests" being told about by author and speaker David Wilcock and whistleblower and alleged insider "Drake." They say that top military brass in the Pentagon have secret plans to arrest people in high places. This means corrupt politicians, bankers and those who have subjected people to financial tyranny.

Connected to this story is also Benjamin Fulford, a former writer with Forbes magazine. From Japan, he's been reporting and writing about the Yakuza and the "White Dragon Society" and their supposed opposition to the western royal families and the Illuminati. Tied into this is also material about how the severity of the Fukushima nuclear disaster is being downplayed. Listen to this program to hear Clif High's opinion on these things and much more.

[kk4aei]

and we agree with both Bill Ryan and Clif High.

======================

Until people become self-governed, our civilization will not be transformed, as stated in the dedication to Democracy Is Self-Government (http://word-foundation.org/PDF/DISG.pdf):

"Dedicated with Love to the Conscious Self in every human body; and, with the hope that in becoming individually self-governed the people will establish Democracy as Self-Government in the United States of America.

The accomplishment of this hope will prevent the almost certain destruction of this civilization."

=======================

Through prayer, meditation, contemplation, one can 'reprogram the matrix', but one must begin with oneself. This is summarized in the PSCINET thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44953-PSCINET-Updates&p=487216#post487216

[Hervé]

So...

... who's going to perform these guys' arrests now that they have been convicted?



Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia

May 12th, 2012 by Yvonne Ridley

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Kuala Lumpur — It’s official; George W Bush is a war criminal.

In what is the first ever conviction of its kind anywhere in the world, the former US President and seven key members of his administration were yesterday (Fri) found guilty of war crimes.

Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and their legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo were tried in absentia in Malaysia.

The trial held in Kuala Lumpur heard harrowing witness accounts from victims of torture who suffered at the hands of US soldiers and contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan.

They included testimony from British man Moazzam Begg, an ex-Guantanamo detainee and Iraqi woman Jameelah Abbas Hameedi who was tortured in the notorious Abu Ghraib prison.

At the end of the week-long hearing, the five-panel tribunal unanimously delivered guilty verdicts against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and their key legal advisors who were all convicted as war criminals for torture and cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment.

Full transcripts of the charges, witness statements and other relevant material will now be sent to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council.

[...]


Full article: http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2012/05/12/bush-convicted-of-war-crimes-in-absentia/

[StarDust]

Re: Bill Ryan's comment above...

Clif "High" is a self-described rationalist that has chosen the dark (his words, not mine..he even mentioned the dark twice in an hour). Accept his opinion for what it is - empty conjecture. He'd rather defame character than discuss the facts as presented by his opposition.

[StarDust]

I like this take on that...

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=239539

This was my favorite bit:

Which leads us to Cliff and his web-bot (ie. artificial intelligence/software application). Not that this blokes material (at times) is not incredibly entertaining, Mr. Highs message supports a fear based, low vibratory outlook on this reality (timeline). So what is his message, really?

Now, this is no attack on Mr. High but let me share some facts on this chap: respectfully, he and his web-bot spit out almost 100% duds. This is fact. His incredible stories about the entrenched elite, and financial calamities and riots in the streets and all this mad-max, its the end of the world as we know, stuff...crapola! The boogeyman exists only if you believe he or she does. How is the War on Scary (terror) these days?

Have you been paying attention? How many false-flags, attacks on big mama, attempts to kill millions, objects in space, have been thwarted in the past year + ?. Yeah, "intervention" is not 100% but it's right up there. And that is fact.

Now, this message is of course no attack on Mr. High personally, yet it is relevant to call a spade a spade. For someone who misses the mark almost every time, one must find his insults towards others very concerning. Remember, a Zebra never changes its strips.

[Jeffrey]

On Red Ice Radio Clif High is debunking all of this.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/05/RIR-120510.php

On record here (note this!): :)

For the first time, I completely agree with Clif High -- especially re Fukushima (a potentially extremely serious global-impact problem happening right now) -- and his take on 'Drake' (he's right).

Here are Red Ice Radio's notes to the broadcast:





Clif High - Hour 1 - The "Mass Arrests" Claim, Fulford & The White Dragon Society

May 10, 2012

Clif High, along with his associate George Ure, developed the Web Bot, or the Web Bot Project in the late 1990s. It's an Internet bot software program or a web spider that originally was designed to predict stock market trends. Eventually it developed into something different. Now it's claimed to be able to predict future events by tracking keywords on the web.

In the first hour of the program Clif gives his take on a story of coming "mass arrests" being told about by author and speaker David Wilcock and whistleblower and alleged insider "Drake." They say that top military brass in the Pentagon have secret plans to arrest people in high places. This means corrupt politicians, bankers and those who have subjected people to financial tyranny.

Connected to this story is also Benjamin Fulford, a former writer with Forbes magazine. From Japan, he's been reporting and writing about the Yakuza and the "White Dragon Society" and their supposed opposition to the western royal families and the Illuminati. Tied into this is also material about how the severity of the Fukushima nuclear disaster is being downplayed. Listen to this program to hear Clif High's opinion on these things and much more.


BUMP.

This interview was extremely refreshing and sobering - like iced coffee.

One thing that I want to bring up is about the disinformation being promulgated.

Clif says it just needs to be brushed aside and put in the BS bin.

It is important to look at the content of what is being pushed, especially if it's being pushed through several different avenues AND considering that disinformation is not only intended to confuse - but also to CONDITION.

Why?

[wynderer]

StarDust, re the 'fear based' -- i just found & posted a song -'The Wise Old Man...' that i found on D Icke's site on a 'Human Liberation Music Thread' [didn't really fit in other music threads]-- he has a couple of good lines about fear that i'd be interested to hear your take on



I like this take on that...

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=239539

This was my favorite bit:

[I]Which leads us to Cliff and his web-bot (ie. artificial intelligence/software application). Not that this blokes material (at times) is not incredibly entertaining, Mr. Highs message supports a fear based, low vibratory outlook on this reality (timeline). So what is his message, really?

Now, this is no attack on Mr. High but let me share some facts on this chap: respectfully, he and his web-bot spit out almost 100% duds. This is fact. His incredible stories about the entrenched elite, and financial calamities and riots in the streets and all this mad-max, its the end of the world as we know, stuff...crapola! The boogeyman exists only if you believe he or she does. How is the War on Scary (terror) these days?

Have you been paying attention? How many false-flags, attacks on big mama, attempts to kill millions, objects in space, have been thwarted in the past year + ?. Yeah, "intervention" is not 100% but it's right up there. And that is fact.

Now, this message is of course no attack on Mr. High personally, yet it is relevant to call a spade a spade. For someone who misses the mark almost every time, one must find his insults towards others very concerning. Remember, a Zebra never changes its strips.

[Fred Steeves]

One thing you have to watch out for is falling into the trap that anyone who stands up is a double agent. That's self-defeating if no one from "our side" can ever unite us because we're so afraid of being gamed.

I guess that's where personal intuition plays a strong role, even though I know (watch PsyWar) they are constantly gaming us. We can't let that paralyze us.
Dennis

Very valid point Dennis, and one that I totally agree with. Just in case I haven't made myself crystal clear about Drake, I don't for one second think he's a double agent, or some grandiose fraudster. I think he's most likely very well intentioned, but being played like a fiddle, having his own good hearted passions used against him.

[Chester]

I like this take on that...

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=239539

Clif High makes dozens of good points - recommend this interview highly - best to go into our future with both eyes open (if you still have both)

[Dennis Leahy]

Can someone summarize Cliff High's points, or (much better) provide a partial transcript where he makes his most salient points? I just can't listen to 2 hours of that.

Dennis

[Chester]

Can someone summarize Cliff High's points, or (much better) provide a partial transcript where he makes his most salient points? I just can't listen to 2 hours of that.

Dennis

I really suggest listening to it - one can get a lot more from that - its why I like to listen to Drake even though we get the transcripts - you can hear things in the voice you just can't get in transcripts nor summaries.

[aranuk]

So...

... who's going to perform these guys' arrests now that they have been convicted?



Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia

May 12th, 2012 by Yvonne Ridley

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Kuala Lumpur — It’s official; George W Bush is a war criminal.

In what is the first ever conviction of its kind anywhere in the world, the former US President and seven key members of his administration were yesterday (Fri) found guilty of war crimes.

Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and their legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo were tried in absentia in Malaysia.

The trial held in Kuala Lumpur heard harrowing witness accounts from victims of torture who suffered at the hands of US soldiers and contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan.

They included testimony from British man Moazzam Begg, an ex-Guantanamo detainee and Iraqi woman Jameelah Abbas Hameedi who was tortured in the notorious Abu Ghraib prison.

At the end of the week-long hearing, the five-panel tribunal unanimously delivered guilty verdicts against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and their key legal advisors who were all convicted as war criminals for torture and cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment.

Full transcripts of the charges, witness statements and other relevant material will now be sent to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council.

[...]


Full article: http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2012/05/12/bush-convicted-of-war-crimes-in-absentia/

Why not ask Drake. Unless you want to organise it.

Stan

[StarDust]

I like this take on that...

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=239539

Clif High makes dozens of good points - recommend this interview highly - best to go into our future with both eyes open (if you still have both)

But High also omits some very valid points as well. Here's an interesting critique:

http://www.thankyouwhiteknights.com/2012/05/13/cliff-high-is-high-as-a-kite-on-mass-arrests-fulford-wilcock-drake/

At first I did think he had some good points and sympathized with his views. But when I got close to the end I noticed one huge critical error. The Trillion Dollar Lawsuit with Keith Scott and Neil Keenan and help from Winston Shrout was never mentioned. Now from the start Cliff accuses David Wilcock as being uncritical, infering he thinks himself to be very critical. Well why Clif High did you conveniently leave out these people “Keith Scott, Neil Keenan, Winston Shrout and the proof David Wilcock gave on the Lawsuit ? ( Look under the title “THE LAWSUIT IS NOW A REALITY FOR ALL TO SEE“) This is a big provable peace in the puzzle that fits with the Mass Arrests. The Mass Arrests can and will only happen as told by Drake (and Sheldan Nidle) after the Legal action.

Now this below is my opinion based on information from Cliff High going back a few years.

This Cliff High guy is a shill who skew info to suit the Illuminati agenda. His talk months ago on the new CIA CASHLESS money system lead me to believe that. While in this recent talk above he also tends to believe life is meant to be tough, and supports that by his almost denial of the Law of Attraction. That belief is why I believe he can not come to terms with this whole story, so he just spouts of so many opinions-that support his beliefs. No critical fact checking as he seems to think he is so superior at, lol. What about the whole story of why WW3 has not happened? Could that be because their are good guys in charge as opposed to the way it was back when his father was in the Military during much harder and more Illuminati controlled times? I know this must be hard to think about if you say you are a hard nuts and bolts kind of guy, but why does he work with information analysis then? Is he paid by the CIA to do all this or just a geek with too much time on his hands? Who pays him to do what he does? All questions to think about when you think about how much time he must need to put into to do what he does.

I remember listening to him in 2009-10ish and thought he was very Doom and Gloom, so stopped following him till the last few months. Now it seems all the shills are coming out of the closet and showing their true colors. I think the purpose of this show was to stir up these people and cause more people to not support the mass arrests. Support comes in two ways with consciousness being #1. The power of prayer is scientifically proven. So I think Clif High is trying to now affect our supporting prayers, that can provable help create this reality. This is probably why I feel so strongly about my views here and have seemingly given back too match his strong words. Only thing is Clif Highs are seemingly intentionally flawed to affect our feelings. That is what I call a clever Psy-Op. This is their last tool. The Illuminati have done this since Biblical times to get us to create our own hell by living in fear. Well guess what? It does not work anymore. We are waking up en-mass and choosing love.

I would love to here this guy interviewed with all those he just talked about. Ben does not fear a grilling interview. I do not know why any of them did not go on this show, but can only suspect they knew something was not right. Ben stopped doing Rense, I heard because he was fear mongering about Fukushima. Last a message to Clif High I too do Aikido and if you need to let off some steam come on down.

[KiwiElf]

Drake, Wilcock... and now High - It is just someone elses interpretation. Create your own... one that works best for YOU :)

[Hervé]

Full article: http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2012/05/12/bush-convicted-of-war-crimes-in-absentia/

Why not ask Drake. Unless you want to organise it.

Stan

I don't think it was part of Drake's plan to walk the walk. But if the Hague issues the orders, the RCMP would be glad to comply.

[KiwiElf]

I will not buy into the "no pain, no gain" idea that Clif, and countless others, promotes.

This is a double edged sword with both positive & negative connotations and everything inbetween. Humankind appears to be in the process - en-masse - of waking up to the idea that we're sick of the "pain" aspect of it (and pretty well reflects whats going on now). ;)

[TargeT]

I will not buy into the "no pain, no gain" idea that Clif, and countless others, promotes.

This is a double edged sword with both positive & negative connotations and everything inbetween. Humankind appears to be in the process - en-masse - of waking up to the idea that we're sick of the "pain" aspect of it (and pretty well reflects whats going on now). ;)

I think "no pain no gain" is more of a concept related to breaking human apathy / complacentcy... humankind often needs to be "knocked off" the easiest path in order to expand and grow; one of my favorite quotes is "he who learns must suffer" and I've found it to be true in a majority of situations as we are resistant to change and often settle into the path of least resistance and assume it is "as things should be".

I do not think that it is manditory, but it does seem a very apt concept & applicatble to *most*.

Do I hope what yousay will be true? HELL YES! but I think it may not be the case, as "we" are the minority.

[jorr lundstrom]

There are a lot of saviours around. Ive seen a lot surfacing and

going down during the fifteen months Ive been on Avalon.

But I must say Im fascinated that so many still jump into

those stories. LOL

Mr Obama was sold to the american people as a saviour,

doesnt that say all? Im sorry, but I cant see anything else than

distractions in this. Just giving time to the cabal so they can

continue their work to lower humanity under the famous

500 000 000 figure. Isnt that wots actually is happening?


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[frozen alchemy]

High seems awfully sure of his take on things; he states that Wilcock doesn't really vet people as well as he thinks (how would he know?), that Fulford is wrong about the Yakusa's organizations behind the scenes (because High is active in his own dojo half a world away and hasn't heard anything about it), etc. and so forth. I'm still waiting for High's predictions about the end of the world from back mid-March when he panicked to come true.

Meanwhile, they all want money in some way, shape or form, even if they say 'just ask and you get the newsletter for free'.

Why are not ALL these people ever gotten together in the same room and interviewed, and able to debate each other, for several hours? Is that asking too much?

BTW, RedIce radio is a wonderful source and great interview skills.

[KiwiElf]

well here's an idea to play with which can be applied to our favourite addages, truism's, sayings etc - it can also be appled to every thing or any one too ;).

Do they hold a "truth" for you? (no right or wrong answer in this)

What is the difference between:

"What is your favourite colour?"
"Is your favourite color red?"
"Your favourite color should be red"
"Your favourite color should not be red"

The difference between competition vs co-operation. :)

[KiwiElf]

Just a "perspective":

That's the paradox of "making a prediction" - (a "sensing" of the energy or vibration flow at the time of the prediction, projected forward into a possible future). And the second you make that prediction, it will change simply because you are still, in that sense, making a future prediction in the "NOW". ;)

Even just reading it allows you to agree or disagree with it, more or less, in a general sense. Consider this "feedback" as to what you prefer or do not prefer.

It also allows you to transform it.

It's "easier/safer" to be a 100 % wrong than it is to be 100 % "right" ? :)

[Whiskey_Mystic]

So...

... who's going to perform these guys' arrests now that they have been convicted?


I think it is reasonable to assume that if this ever does happen, you will not hear about it until after the fact.

[KiwiElf]

eg, Nostradamus' predictions have a penchant for "coming true" after the fact... and the popular "interpretations" of his predictions before the fact - at the time, get re-interpreted to suit ;)

[aranuk]

Full article: http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2012/05/12/bush-convicted-of-war-crimes-in-absentia/

Why not ask Drake. Unless you want to organise it.

Stan

I don't think it was part of Drake's plan to walk the walk. But if the Hague issues the orders, the RCMP would be glad to comply.

As far as I know the Hague doesn't issue orders to Americans does it?

Stan

[Hervé]

So...

... who's going to perform these guys' arrests now that they have been convicted?


I think it is reasonable to assume that if this ever does happen, you will not hear about it until after the fact.

Could be...

... however:

The Arrest Bush Protest in Surrey, British Columbia (http://mycatbirdseat.com/2011/10/the-arrest-bush-protest-in-surrey-british-columbia/)

- 22. Oct, 2011 in 9/11 (http://mycatbirdseat.com/category/911/), Activism (http://mycatbirdseat.com/category/activism/), Commentary/Analysis (http://mycatbirdseat.com/category/commentaryanalysis/), Media (http://mycatbirdseat.com/category/media/), Middle east (http://mycatbirdseat.com/category/middle-east/), News/Politics (http://mycatbirdseat.com/category/news-politics/), U.S. Foreign Policy (http://mycatbirdseat.com/category/u-s-foreign-policy-israel/), World (http://mycatbirdseat.com/category/world/) -
1 (http://mycatbirdseat.com/2011/10/the-arrest-bush-protest-in-surrey-british-columbia/#comments)
http://mycatbirdseat.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/calgary_bush1-317x450.gif (http://mycatbirdseat.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/calgary_bush1.gif)Bush Back in Canada


by Joshua Blakeney (http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/blakeney/)


George W. Bush returned to Canada this week to attend an economic summit in Surrey, British Columbia.
Under Canadian law Bush ought to have been refused entry into Canada and once in Canada ought to have been apprehended under the laws contained in Canada’s Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes Act (2000). Bush, who is accused of war crimes by an increasing number of respected Human Rights organizations, was allowed entry into Canada, contravening not only our laws but the system of values the average Canadian identifies with.

Full article here: http://mycatbirdseat.com/2011/10/the-arrest-bush-protest-in-surrey-british-columbia/

He also shortened his visit pretty quick.

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Edit to add:

2011-08-01 The Swiss caused Geo Bush to cancel his visit to Switzerland. Can we do the same? Bush speaking in Surrey BC, Thur October 20, 2011. (http://sandrafinley.ca/?p=2827)

George Bush war criminal (http://sandrafinley.ca/?category_name=geo-bush)
Jul 312011
“Security… it’s simply the recognition that changes will take place and the knowledge that you’re willing to deal with whatever happens. … When you know that you’re capable of dealing with whatever comes, you have the only security the world has to offer.” – Harry Browne
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George Bush was in Canada in 2009 (Calgary, Edmonton, Saskatoon and Montreal).
We were heavily involved in efforts to have him arrested. Click on Arrest George Bush. Rule of Law essential to democracy. (http://sandrafinley.ca/?page_id=1245) It’s a list of some of the efforts that are on-going through many organizations in the world to have Bush tried for war crimes.

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Article here: http://sandrafinley.ca/?p=2827