Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[gripreaper]

The 27 Trillion year old hologram that we all play within was created by Source.

You talking about the Draconian's Enlil and Enki, who claim to be gods, or is this source you speak of a higher council? I know of the greatest avatars of of "The Great Central Sun", but are these Draconian's descendants of this star, and is the Central Sun the original star?

[StarDust]

Don´t get me wrong, but you´re falling in a big contradiction here.

On the contrary, I'm crystal clear.


First, you say that the "The Archons and their minions were given a 26,000 year window to do their thing - use humans as batteries, steal their wealth, dictate their capacity as creators, etc. Now their time is up. They have been given a choice, stop trying to control the evolution of a species (humanity) or return to the creator."

That is a historical statement. Not an opinion.


Then, Fred says that "It doesn't work that way StarDust, no soul is ever lost or destroyed."

I differentiate between what I refer to as Source and that some entities do not have souls in the complete sense of what it is to be from Source. This is more a difference in terminology, not a contradiction of belief.


Then you reply saying "According to whom?", saying that he´s just making assumptions.

I was asking for clarification of terms, which I expanded upon in a later response.


And then you say that "there is no death - that is an illusion and distinct distortion of the Law of ONE."

That is correct within accordance of The Law of ONE.


What are all those fantastic things you´re saying besides big assumptions?

You're trying to be argumentative, when none exists.


I could answer all your statements the same way you´ve answered Fred:

According to whom?

Raf.

Now you're just being trite. According to "The Law of One". Highly recommended, since it's clear you haven't read it thoroughly.

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The 27 Trillion year old hologram that we all play within was created by Source.

You talking about the Draconian's Enlil and Enki, who claim to be gods, or is this source you speak of a higher council? I know of the greatest avatars of of "The Great Central Sun", but are these Draconian's descendants of this star, and is the Central Sun the original star?


No, I'm talking about Source - the creator of ALL. Not demi gods who thought they could do better in this sector of space.

As for the central sun, I don't know of its precise importance other than what has been suggested within the potential plan of action by COBRA and others.

[SilentFeathers]

Yeah Raf, read the law of one and all of this will make sense.....

[StarDust]

Archons? I´ve been here at PA for a long time and people rarely used this word. Then, about three months ago, someone mentioned this word in a thread and now, suddenly, everything is about Archons.

The Archons now are the ultimate escape mechanism to blame others for our mistakes.

It's not an escape mechanism, it's coming to the understanding of who the true 'puppet masters' have been here on earth for thousands of years. The fact that it's been under wraps is no surprise since many people are just awakening to the fact that higher Density creatures (both positive and negative) exist. Before, most people had little capacity to 'believe' what they couldn't see with their own lying eyes. But the Gnostics and other ancient peoples talked about them 1000's of years ago. Just because it's now entering the lexicon of many people should be no surprise given the degree to which humanity is now waking up.

[Chester]

For starters, this wasn't my idea. It was reported on the internet as one method of dealing with the most recalcitrant of the Cabal, by COBRA and others. Secondly, this method is allegedly one way of destroying a soul in all of its forms. Is this true or effective? I can't tell you if it is. Thirdly, there is a vast difference between trying to extinguish a soul vs. 'killing' someone's carbon based bio-body suit here on earth - the 'suit' may parish, but the soul lives on. Finally, what Source decides to do with Source is its business. In that sense, there are no rules aside from the ones that Source establishes - it is the ultimate game of experience conducted within the Law of ONE.

Oh, so they´re the ones who had this brilliant idea.

Anyway, it still doesn´t make any sense to me and frankly, these folks are looking worse than the people they are supposedly fighting against.

So, they want to end violence with more violence? Really? Don´t we ever learn?

I might be wrong, but I think there´s nothing divine about it and, in the Earthly realm, it simply doesn´t work.

Honestly, in my opinion, this drama is getting worse everyday.

As hard as I try, I don´t know how people are buying this.

Raf.

It is simple. The Archons and their minions were given a 26,000 year window to do their thing - use humans as batteries, steal their wealth, dictate their capacity as creators, etc. Now their time is up. They have been given a choice, stop trying to control the evolution of a species (humanity) or return to the creator.

I suppose that if you love the drama, then this is a travesty. I, for one, am ready to move forward with the evolution of consciousness on this planet for the benefit of Gaia and humanity. But if you prefer the chaos and mayhem, then that is all you need to focus on and the universe will grant your desire. As Bashar states, "shift to the one you prefer!" The choice is ultimately yours!

Personally, I find the thought of the central sun as being a giant "Bug Zapper" for Source as comical.

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who fed you that garbage about 26K years?

the same Pleiadians Truman Cash discusses and has had experience with?

Any source of information that injects thought into the minds of others such that that thought leads to an ultimatum where war is one of the options happens to be an archon - get it? Look at yourself and see how much your ego is wrapped up into what you believe is true and realize that that is the only thing standing in the way of you seeing the actual light which is and can only ever be a solution founded in love.

but what do I know? nothing.

[StarDust]

who fed you that garbage about 26K years?

the same Pleiadians Truman Cash discusses and has had experience with?

Any source of information that injects thought into the minds of others such that that thought leads to an ultimatum where war is one of the options happens to be an archon - get it? Look at yourself and see how much your ego is wrapped up into what you believe is true and realize that that is the only thing standing in the way of you seeing the actual light which is and can only ever be a solution founded in love.

but what do I know? nothing.

That is my understanding of historical time that they were provided one cosmic cycle to act within their own free will. That cycle is now up and it's time for Gaia to move on. It is not a debate, the progression of Gaia into a 4th Density positive being is happening all around you weather anyone likes it or not!

If you have a better explanation of the historical significance of the cosmic cycle here on earth and what occurred within that time frame, then please share it with us.

[TargeT]

Yeah Raf, read the law of one and all of this will make sense.....

I haven't read the LAW of ONE because it seemed to be from channeled sources (which I just avoid as I seem inclined to raise bull**** flags on everything I read when I don't avoid them)

StarDust: is this the main source of your idea's on this topic?

[9eagle9]

Parasitical influences or rather....programming.

Two camps. Those who wish to rid themselves of this sort of influence .

..And those who want to use them to blame for their failure to initiate in ridding themselves of this sort of influence and accumulate more while they are at it.




It is simple. The Archons and their minions were given a 26,000 year window to do their thing - use humans as batteries, steal their wealth, dictate their capacity as creators, etc. Now their time is up. They have been given a choice, stop trying to control the evolution of a species (humanity) or return to the creator.

I suppose that if you love the drama, then this is a travesty. I, for one, am ready to move forward with the evolution of consciousness on this planet for the benefit of Gaia and humanity. But if you prefer the chaos and mayhem, then that is all you need to focus on and the universe will grant your desire. The choice is ultimately yours!

Personally, I find the thought of the central sun as being a giant "Bug Zapper" for Source as comical.

Hey mate,

I really respect your point of view, since it´s your personal belief, but I don´t buy it.

Archons? I´ve been here at PA for a long time and people rarely used this word. Then, about three months ago, someone mentioned this word in a thread and now, suddenly, everything is about Archons.

The Archons now are the ultimate escape mechanism to blame others for our mistakes.

My point of view is that humans are powerful and can do even good or bad things.

Unfortunately, some decided to do a lot of bad things and here we are.

Anyway, I respect you and your point of view.

Raf.

[TargeT]

Archons? I´ve been here at PA for a long time and people rarely used this word. Then, about three months ago, someone mentioned this word in a thread and now, suddenly, everything is about Archons.

The Archons now are the ultimate escape mechanism to blame others for our mistakes.

It's not an escape mechanism, it's coming to the understanding of who the true 'puppet masters' have been here on earth for thousands of years. The fact that it's been under wraps is no surprise since many people are just awakening to the fact that higher Density creatures (both positive and negative) exist. Before, most people had little capacity to 'believe' what they couldn't see with their own lying eyes. But the Gnostics and other ancient peoples talked about them 1000's of years ago. Just because it's now entering the lexicon of many people should be no surprise given the degree to which humanity is now waking up.

I don't see archons as an escape mech. either, espeicaly since there are older texts mentioning them (and you can see the reflections in religion etc) I'd call it more of a "relabeling"... We already knew these things were out there but had a lot of names for them.. ET, ED, Devils, Ghosts etc...



That is my understanding of historical time that they were provided one cosmic cycle to act within their own free will. That cycle is now up and it's time for Gaia to move on. It is not a debate, the progression of Gaia into a 4th Density positive being is happening all around you weather anyone likes it or not!

If you have a better explanation of the historical significance of the cosmic cycle here on earth and what occurred within that time frame, then please share it with us.

This is also a part of the "law of one" material?

[StarDust]

Yeah Raf, read the law of one and all of this will make sense.....

I haven't read the LAW of ONE because it seemed to be from channeled sources (which I just avoid as I seem inclined to raise bull**** flags on everything I read when I don't avoid them)

StarDust: is this the main source of your idea's on this topic?

Anchor did a brilliant job summarizing how most people react to "The Law of ONE" series:



Most people I know fall into two camps on this:

1) I don't trust anything channeled by whatever means

2) The law of one, having read it critically find that it makes a lot of sense to me (and has a ring of truth, is powerfully transformative, awakening etc etc)

What I have never seen is anyone ever! falling into a hypothetical third camp:

3) I have critically evaluated the Law of One, and it seems false and deceptive to me and I recommend you do not read it!

My opinion is (2).

I have seen also seen a few people who pretend to have read it when they have not really done so, and I ignore these ones ;)



I concur with Anchor's assessment in its entirity.

[StarDust]

This is also a part of the "law of one" material?

Not precisely. The Law of ONE series is primarily instructive on the evolution of consciousness on earth, but from an individual perspective. There were, however, some questions with regard to major historical occurrences that were asked relative to expanding the understanding. You can check out some of the topics here: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?c=Earth+History&sc=1

At the time the books were written, there was no understanding/mentioning of Gaia choosing to undergo a mass expansion of consciousness. By many sources, this is something that is totally unique and has never been done before. This is why I'm postulating that the 'rules' have changed.

My historical references with regard to the evolution of life on this planet has come from other sources. However, I consider such topics to be interesting footnotes and little more. The true understanding of the evolution of species on this planet will be widely available for all to preview once the cabal is removed and the transformation is well underway. My understanding is that the Archonic 'veil' will be lifted and we will all have instant access to all of our past lives/existences/experiences/etc.

I do not know when this will occur.

[9eagle9]

And an alternating pov on RA, and of course the ever popular Horus RA as a parasitical God thread.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46028-A-New-World-Order-Exposing-the-Luciferian-Agenda&p=509442#post509442

[danceblackcatdance]

the same Pleiadians Truman Cash discusses and has had experience with?
I don't believe Truman said they came from the Pleiades :)



However, this does not necessarily mean that the SSPs come from the Pleiades. I have no idea where they come from.

[StarDust]

And an alternating pov on RA, and of course the ever popular Horus RA as a parasitical God thread.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46028-A-New-World-Order-Exposing-the-Luciferian-Agenda&p=509442#post509442

As a point of reference, there is no known connection between "Horus RA" that has been well examined within Houman's thread and "The Social Memory Complex known as RA" that is a part of "The RA Material / The Law of ONE" series; aside from the fact that both have RA in their names. For all I know, "RA" is some ancient version of "Smith" or "Jones" which are popular last names within caucasian cultures.

[peace]

so:

we done here or what?

nothing is happening. no lawn darts, blown up ufo's, or mass arrests.

no acension. the earth just keeps on spinning.

can we all go about our days?

or is there another round of dates and promises to look forward to?
or were we all saved at the last minute with not a shred of evidence?

just watch, that's what's coming. and when it does, realize you've wasted a ton of time on this. hell, so have i.

i'm tired of trying to tell you nothing will happen.
you obviously don't want to believe it and are so inundated with lies that you'll never believe that you were being lied to, even when Wilcock and Drake are lying directly to your faces.

ban me for this, whatever, i've been put "on vacation" for being critical of wilcock for saying what I'm about to type, but:
he's false.
well meaning, to a degree ,but false.
when he cried, it was fake.
his "data" is nonsense.
the same interview he "cried" on HE ADMITTED TO COVERTLY RECORDING CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER ALTERNATIVE MEDIA WHISTLE BLOWERS. BILL RYAN HAS RECENTLY DISCLOSED THAT DAVID IS VERY GOOD AT COMPILING DATA AND USING OTHER PEOPLES DATA, BUT NOT VERY GOOD AT SHARING HIS DATA, SO I THINK THAT MEANS:

HE LIES, AND STEALS (AS EVIDENCED BY COVERTLY RECORDING CONVERSATIONS - WHICH HE ADMITTED TO) WHICH MEANS: HE CAN'T BE TRUSTED AS SOMEONE THAT IS RELIABLE, TRUSTWORTHY OR HONEST.

Sorry folks. But how am I the only one bringing this point up (again)?

There is no argument to the point. He admitted the violation of others trust, and covertly recording conversations. How many times has he done this then presented the data as his own?

How much of this is a BIG STINKING LIE?

[TargeT]

And an alternating pov on RA, and of course the ever popular Horus RA as a parasitical God thread.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46028-A-New-World-Order-Exposing-the-Luciferian-Agenda&p=509442#post509442

Have you read "Shopping for the spirit" ?


They encompass everything and also expand on the truth behind what these "Archons" actually are, why they came into existence, the leading role they play behind the control system/agenda itself and the false creation that is the astral (which they rule).
http://www.equilibra.uk.com/images/shop1a.gif
http://www.equilibra.uk.com/shop1.shtml

[peace]

and if i ever meet and archon, reptilian, grey, etc. etc. etc., i'll give a sh*t. until you do or until i do and we can present proof, how about we save it? because things being presented here as fact are WILD AND STUPID SOUNDING, LENDING NO CREDIT TO THE ARGUMENT YOU ARE MAKING.

[TargeT]

and if i ever meet and archon, reptilian, grey, etc. etc. etc., i'll give a sh*t. until you do or until i do and we can present proof, how about we save it? because things being presented here as fact are WILD AND STUPID SOUNDING, LENDING NO CREDIT TO THE ARGUMENT YOU ARE MAKING.

I'd agree, but I've never met gravity & it sure seems to effect me; as such I'm a bit more open to considering ideas.

I view all of this as an intelectual exersize and basicaly "cherry pick" what fits my path through life, what doesn't I ignore...

for example:


archons have a way where they EMIT a concious programme in TIME.
They only are able to rule in the future or past TIME not in the NOW, once we regain our conciousness into the NOW we have WON.

Focusing on dates in past and future keeps us in their artificial construct.


This seems right to me, it also lines up with Ego & a few other things... something I like to call "random corroboration" others have labeled it Synchronicity (I think).

reguardless, we clearly are not very "On Topic" with the current vien of conversation, so don't worry about the title of the thread.. this has little to do with drake (and yet it seems to have a lot to do if you consider the topic of Archons & their M.O.)

[Avocadess]

BillyJi, The way I learned the Ramayana, in the end of the story about Ram, Sita, Hanuman and Ravanah (aka Ravan) the Hindu scriptures say that as it turned out Ravanah was one of Ram's greatest devotees -- because he never could get Ram (aka Rama) off of his mind. He was effectively "meditating" on Ram at all times.

It's an interesting thing to think about. I personally have come to the conclusion, (and I certainly could be wrong), that even the worst of the worst have a way to loop around back to the Light of Love and Heart. I'm a cock-eyed optimist, I know -- and I don't mean it could happen within just one lifetime, but in the whole grand and long-term scheme of things.

DanceBlackCatDance: Love your profile animation. (Why does it make me crave saltwater taffy?! lol)

[StarDust]

reguardless, we clearly are not very "On Topic" with the current vien of conversation, so don't worry about the title of the thread.. this has little to do with drake (and yet it seems to have a lot to do if you consider the topic of Archons & their M.O.)

I thought the same thing until recently with regard to the Archons and Draco & Hydra Reptillian off shoots until recently. I still think that it's important to not spend extraordinary amounts to time focusing on what they are as much as how they function within the larger picture. I think that David Icke did a brilliant job explaining how this whole puzzle fits together quite nicely in his most recent interview:

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After watching the video, I thought it provided a good overview of why things may not be moving as fast as they should be on the outside but are moving as fast as they need to be on the inside. I think it's worth a look.

[Billy]

I am not meaning to go off topic here but a few of the recent comments about the soul has reminded me of the Hindu story of Hanuman battling the Demi God Ravana who could not be destroyed.
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Hanuman later found out the secret of Ravana's imortality. His soul was not with his body but kept in a secret place in the underworld seperated from the body.
The container that Hanuman holds is the soul of Ravana, He is returning the soul to Ravana to enable him to be defeated.


Read the story here. Just click on the next number to follow the story.
http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/ramayana/1194

http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/ramayana/1195

http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/ramayana/1196

I sometimes wonder if the Cabal have sold their souls and are trapped here.

Peace

BillyJi, The way I learned the Ramayana, in the end of the story about Ram, Sita, Hanuman and Ravanah (aka Ravan) the Hindu scriptures say that as it turned out Ravanah was one of Ram's greatest devotees -- because he never could get Ram (aka Rama) off of his mind. He was effectively "meditating" on Ram at all times.

It's an interesting thing to think about. I personally have come to the conclusion, (and I certainly could be wrong), that even the worst of the worst have a way to loop around back to the Light of Love and Heart. I'm a cock-eyed optimist, I know -- and I don't mean it could happen within just one lifetime, but in the whole grand and long-term scheme of things.


I also am an optimist Avocadess, Maybe the Cabal require assistance in regathering their souls to allow them to move on.

Peace

[Ishtar]

Well, it's been 21st June here now in England for some 14 hours. It's past lunchtime and I've yet to see one cabal member being "extracted from the planet". As many of the main players are all in Mexico at the G20, it should have been quite easy for them to perform one foul swoop with their interstellar vacuum cleaner! C'mon ETs, what are you waiting for? :cool:

If certain members are 'removed' by taking them and casting them into the central sun, then their memory will cease to exist - there will be no traces of their existence, previous existence or future existence as they will have been effectively vaporized from any record aside from what is known by Source. So, how do you "know" it hasn't already happened? It's quite the conundrum for anyone looking for proof, don't you think?

There is only a conundrum for inexperienced souls that rely on labyrinthine word play and mind games to trick people.

I journey into dimensions where there is no Time. I know what Timeless dimensions are like.

Partly what holds this dimension together is Time. Time is very real and very present here.

It's bendable for sure... like you may have experienced, if you've been in a car accident, say, how time appears to slow down before the impact.

Conversely, time appears to go very quickly when we're having fun.

Our perception of Time can change, in this dimension, according to how we feel.

But Time is always present here in this dimension. Otherwise, the very nature of this dimension will change and will be something else.

But don't let me stop you carrying on making up this utter bilge, designed to create confusion and apathy. I'm sure there might be some that believe it. You just picked the wrong person with me.

[StarDust]

Well, it's been 21st June here now in England for some 14 hours. It's past lunchtime and I've yet to see one cabal member being "extracted from the planet". As many of the main players are all in Mexico at the G20, it should have been quite easy for them to perform one foul swoop with their interstellar vacuum cleaner! C'mon ETs, what are you waiting for? :cool:

If certain members are 'removed' by taking them and casting them into the central sun, then their memory will cease to exist - there will be no traces of their existence, previous existence or future existence as they will have been effectively vaporized from any record aside from what is known by Source. So, how do you "know" it hasn't already happened? It's quite the conundrum for anyone looking for proof, don't you think?

There is only a conundrum for inexperienced souls that rely on labyrinthine word play and mind games to trick people.

I journey into dimensions where there is no Time. I know what Timeless dimensions are like.

Partly what holds this dimension together is Time. Time is very real and very present here.

It's bendable for sure... like you may have experienced, if you've been in a car accident, say, how time appears to slow down before the impact.

Conversely, time appears to go very quickly when we're having fun.

Our perception of Time can change, in this dimension, according to how we feel.

But Time is always present here in this dimension. Otherwise, the very nature of this dimension will change and will be something else.

But don't let me stop you carrying on making up this utter bilge, designed to create confusion and apathy. I'm sure there might be some that believe it. You just picked the wrong person with me.

Nice diatribe. However, I wasn't "picking" anything with you aside from pointing out a major issue with regard to the perception of "progress" vs. what they have stated may potentially happen to these souls when allegedly cast into the central sun. It appears that your response, although most likely made in jest, was not well thought out relative to the proclaimed physicality of their claims.

[Chester]

who fed you that garbage about 26K years?

the same Pleiadians Truman Cash discusses and has had experience with?

Any source of information that injects thought into the minds of others such that that thought leads to an ultimatum where war is one of the options happens to be an archon - get it? Look at yourself and see how much your ego is wrapped up into what you believe is true and realize that that is the only thing standing in the way of you seeing the actual light which is and can only ever be a solution founded in love.

but what do I know? nothing.

That is my understanding of historical time that they were provided one cosmic cycle to act within their own free will. That cycle is now up and it's time for Gaia to move on. It is not a debate, the progression of Gaia into a 4th Density positive being is happening all around you weather anyone likes it or not!

If you have a better explanation of the historical significance of the cosmic cycle here on earth and what occurred within that time frame, then please share it with us.

There is zero argument about what you are saying here regarding the possibility of an "ascension" and what an ascension happens to be - I don't "know" like some seem to think they know.

My point has nothing to do with any ascension unless that ascension hinges upon where humanity is at collectively at some point in time where nature herself may draw the line. Beyond my realm... I am a simple spirit being.

Sadly though, you missed the point entirely.

Executing the supposed bad guys - purportedly a part of this plan contrived by a group of earth humans and possibly including supposed good guy ETs will do nothing to assist humanity's achievement of that 100th monkey... he 100th monkey which according to the some ascensionists is critical to whether or not "gaia" ascends. OR if you are in the camp of ascensionists who believe two earths will emerge, one which remains in 3D and one that emerges into 4D, then it seems quite logical that those who align with an "off with their heads" attitude may find themselves in another cycle of 3D afterall.

Executions are part of the plans that have been stated by their chosen spokesman, Drake.

It is my opinion that anyone that agrees with that course of action or cowardly aligns with it by agreeing to the overall plan and avoids the one or two minor details is no less infected at the soul and/or spirit level than the very same satanic cabal that purportedly sacrificed a live human baby within the last dozen or so hours in Colorado.

With one exception, they are at least honest with their own ilk as to who/what they are and what they are about and that is one of their advantages by the way, self honesty.

Executions simply throw gas on the fire.

[Ishtar]

StarDust, you mean that you're requiring me to debate with these science fiction writers in the pay of the CIA as if their claims are based on any kind of reality?

Dream on, sonny.

[foreverfan]

This thread gives me a headache.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ccuzMGNXSmg/T2ebRYrNi3I/AAAAAAAABr4/xkxNVZgx8pc/s1600/cat-with-headache.jpg

[TargeT]

And an alternating pov on RA, and of course the ever popular Horus RA as a parasitical God thread.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46028-A-New-World-Order-Exposing-the-Luciferian-Agenda&p=509442#post509442

Have you read "Shopping for the spirit" ?


They encompass everything and also expand on the truth behind what these "Archons" actually are, why they came into existence, the leading role they play behind the control system/agenda itself and the false creation that is the astral (which they rule).
http://www.equilibra.uk.com/images/shop1a.gif
http://www.equilibra.uk.com/shop1.shtml

Just getting into this.. looks like another point of view:

Never Call Them Archons – How You Can Help Bust Up the Matrix

This article has been 15 years in the making, as it took that long for me to be able to distill this information into an accessible format. This is going to represent a few very important pieces of the overall puzzle of how we are going to shift this planet and everyone upon it into an ascended frequency of being. One key aspect of this shift is going to be the “cleaning up of consciousness” of all of humanity, which is no small task, to be sure. This article will cover in detail the major obstacle to this consciousness clean-up, as well as a solution that needs your help to succeed.

I briefly wrote last year about a “living cloud of shadows” surrounding this planet, populated by energy parasites. These parasitic beings have chosen to experiment with the illusions of separation, fear, darkness, isolation, conquering, enslavement, pain, suffering, torture, etc. to the strongest degree possible. In doing so, they have completely cut themselves off from the nourishing Light of Being that supports life in the universe. The result is that they must energetically nourish themselves by feeding on low-frequency energies that resonate with their chosen mode of expression.

These beings call themselves “Archons” which means “Rulers” or “Lords” because they see themselves as the rulers and enslavers of humanity. (The ancient Gnostics first gave them this title in their writings based on direct psychic experiences with these beings.) While these unseen being’s clever enslavement and manipulation of humanity has been quite successful up until now, I will NEVER address them as my ruler or superior in any way, just like I wouldn’t consider physical, intestinal parasites as my superior even though they might cause me physical discomfort until I remove them from my body.

Our thoughts have power – much more than we often realize. Words and titles have power because they frame our thoughts into a certain set of beliefs without us even realizing it. Calling a “royal” human “Your Highness” automatically places them above you in your mind. Calling a judge “Your Honor” achieves the same thing. Therefore it very is important that when you think about these energy parasites, that you NEVER call them “Archon” because you will be literally handing them your power and energy by doing so.

I prefer to call them Ankle Biters. This lets them know exactly what I think of them, which is that they are lowly parasites, an infection of consciousness that will be purged from my system through proper use of my will via energetic clearing and transmutation. This also serves to really make them angry which exposes them and makes them easier to deal with. In spite of their self-proclaimed status as “Rulers” of humanity, they hide like little worms in the shadows of our minds, sending impulses of low-frequency emotion and thought to our ego and emotional bodies in order to elicit a low-frequency emotional energy that they can consume. Because they love to hide, they need to be “flushed out” into the open in order to be dealt with, so a healthy dose of disrespect and a little arrogance are necessary ingredients when confronting these parasites.

A Little Back Story
Once upon a time, on this very planet in the far distant past, human beings were infinitely more impressive than we are today. We were fully telepathic, multi-dimensional beings that could simultaneously perceive and navigate many dimensions at once. We built vast cities with technology that worked in harmony with Earth’s energetic fields. We were in full alignment with our Divine Inner Self while expressing ourselves in physicality in a wide variety of life-affirming ways......

more:
http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/2012/01/31/never-call-them-archons/

[StarDust]

Executing the supposed bad guys - purportedly a part of this plan contrived by a group of earth humans and possibly including supposed good guy ETs will do nothing to assist humanity's achievement of that 100th monkey... he 100th monkey which according to the some ascensionists is critical to whether or not "gaia" ascends. OR if you are in the camp of ascensionists who believe two earths will emerge, one which remains in 3D and one that emerges into 4D, then it seems quite logical that those who align with an "off with their heads" attitude may find themselves in another cycle of 3D afterall.

Executions are part of the plans that have been stated by their chosen spokesman, Drake.

It is my opinion that anyone that agrees with that course of action or cowardly aligns with it by agreeing to the overall plan and avoids the one or two minor details is no less infected at the soul and/or spirit level than the very same satanic cabal that purportedly sacrificed a live human baby within the last dozen or so hours in Colorado.

With one exception, they are at least honest with their own ilk as to who/what they are and what they are about and that is one of their advantages by the way, self honesty.

Executions simply throw gas on the fire.

On the contrary, I chose not to engage that point since I am indifferent to how the whole achieves the means as long as the end result is in transformation. I did not incarnate to fight wars or to kill anyone. I incarnated to anchor light energies to Gaia's grid. I have never intentionally taken the life of another being in the entire 'history' of my celestial being and I don't intend on changing that now. I do not agree with your assessment of guilt by association since we are all free to support aspects of any action and not support other aspects of it as we so freely choose. In this sense, I'm a free agent and I pick what I support accordance with my mission. You are free to think what you will, but clearly you are mistaken when trying to pin the guilt by association nonsense on another.

[StarDust]

StarDust, you mean that you're requiring me to debate with these science fiction writers in the pay of the CIA as if their claims are based on any kind of reality?

Dream on, sonny.

Take your fight elsewhere. I have none with you. I only pointed out an inconsistency within your response and nothing more.

[StarDust]

A Little Back Story
Once upon a time, on this very planet in the far distant past, human beings were infinitely more impressive than we are today. We were fully telepathic, multi-dimensional beings that could simultaneously perceive and navigate many dimensions at once. We built vast cities with technology that worked in harmony with Earth’s energetic fields. We were in full alignment with our Divine Inner Self while expressing ourselves in physicality in a wide variety of life-affirming ways......

It makes one wonder who/what has worked so hard to hide those gifts. I think a basic understanding of the 'ankle biters' relative to how consciousness is evolving without their interferenece goes a long way to explaining what happened.

[Chester]

the same Pleiadians Truman Cash discusses and has had experience with?
I don't believe Truman said they came from the Pleiades :)



However, this does not necessarily mean that the SSPs come from the Pleiades. I have no idea where they come from.

Then you did not read Truman's Eye of Ra. He specifically states throughout the over 100 page document that one of the ET groups he has dealt with were the SSPs - The Serpent Staff Pleiadeans... and guess what they did?

Acccording to Truman - They ramped up the ra ra attitude of the Egyptians to attack the Hittites. Their practices also involved human sacrifice. And guess what else they did? The same thing to the Hittites.

Does this not seem to be the same thing happening now with a "cabal" and "we the people"???

Another point, I am tired of hearing "Pleiadians, Orions, Sirians, Draconians, etc. Its all stereotyping - supposedly what us "evolved" humans have for the most part transcended.

Each spirit being has their own choice as to what type of being they desire to manifest and guess what? Any spirit being can change instantly and into something completely different than what they may have projected themselves to be just moments before.

Each of us have our own responsibility to trust another individual spirit being and enter into the risk of that trust. We are all spirit beings. Some of us have souls, some perhaps do not. Some of us have physical bodies, some do not. That's the universe, folks... the real wild wild west. Once you know you are a perfect child of creation, immortal and eternal... then you can graduate to the real game of life on any level your experience currently resides.

Ghandi said it - be the change you want to see, because that's how it works.

Execute the bad guys and perhaps another spirit being (or group of spirit beings) deems you to be a bad guy from their point of view OR transcend that dynamic altogether...

and you know I am correct, Avocadess, but you have invested too much of yourself (ego) into all this. Why not resurrect the warrior within you and tell Drake (since you have an entry point to these clowns) about how you really feel about the executions part. I dare you to be honest about how you truly feel about that part of this wonderful plan.

[the_vast_mystery]

Nice diatribe. However, I wasn't "picking" anything with you aside from pointing out a major issue with regard to the perception of "progress" vs. what they have stated may potentially happen to these souls when allegedly cast into the central sun. It appears that your response, although most likely made in jest, was not well thought out relative to the proclaimed physicality of their claims.

There's a point in time where one must come to the sobering realization that if this "progress" cannot be measured, it should not be called progress and to use that word knowingly after that point becomes disingenuous. If people need to be focusing on their inner world a strong case must be made directly linking the inner and outer world. Tell someone they need to "evolve" or "Emotionally mature" and you'll get a blank stare. Tell someone "If you could just figure out how to not yell when X happens, you'll suddenly find yourself in a higher paying job" then it's entirely different. You've just given the person something of value to them they can seek in the change, motivating them, to pursue it with their whole heart. (Of course, what each person finds value in is individual.) Of course someone might want to say that such people should seek value in the evolution for change's arbitrary sake alone. To which I'd respond that if they were actually serious about getting people to listen, they're going to need to offer something more than merely moralizing platitudes. People need to see a direct connection/translation and they will not always posses the abstract thinking capacity necessary to make the myriad of connections that you might to see how that change will ultimately benefit them. It's just the way things are, people don't think ahead, if you want to advocate you must show them how.

So beating someone over the head with unfalsifiable explanations is insulting. It demeans all involved when you insist that you alone posses some great truth or insight but yet cannot ever make it relevant or approachable to others who do not already agree with your unproven postulates. You're basically telling people "I only want to talk to others who already agree with me. I don't have anything to prove, so go shove off if you want to be critical." Which sounds just like what a huckster would say. Not to say that you are one, but it's crucial people understand just HOW important appearances are. Even someone who's trying to be 100% authentic has to spend an inordinate amount of time making sure that everything they say or do cannot easily be misunderstood or misinterpreted by others watching. If anything you say or do revolves around communicating with large groups of people, you cannot skimp in how you present yourself. Just my two cents, because right now it doesn't matter what either of you are saying it's already tread into territory the average person has not been and as such doing so continuously will engender skeptical antipathy towards anything further you say. (as you already started with an unproven postulate, but cannot offer any supporting explanations that are in any way testable or provable. You're asking us to buy your opinion by offering still more opinions.) :)

[Chester]

I am not meaning to go off topic here but a few of the recent comments about the soul has reminded me of the Hindu story of Hanuman battling the Demi God Ravana who could not be destroyed.
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Hanuman later found out the secret of Ravana's imortality. His soul was not with his body but kept in a secret place in the underworld seperated from the body.
The container that Hanuman holds is the soul of Ravana, He is returning the soul to Ravana to enable him to be defeated.


Read the story here. Just click on the next number to follow the story.
http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/ramayana/1194

http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/ramayana/1195

http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/ramayana/1196

I sometimes wonder if the Cabal have sold their souls and are trapped here.

Peace

BillyJi, The way I learned the Ramayana, in the end of the story about Ram, Sita, Hanuman and Ravanah (aka Ravan) the Hindu scriptures say that as it turned out Ravanah was one of Ram's greatest devotees -- because he never could get Ram (aka Rama) off of his mind. He was effectively "meditating" on Ram at all times.

It's an interesting thing to think about. I personally have come to the conclusion, (and I certainly could be wrong), that even the worst of the worst have a way to loop around back to the Light of Love and Heart. I'm a cock-eyed optimist, I know -- and I don't mean it could happen within just one lifetime, but in the whole grand and long-term scheme of things.


I also am an optimist Avocadess, Maybe the Cabal require assistance in regathering their souls to allow them to move on.

Peace

Exactly the opportunity we have as humanity and what could resolve a conflict in this tiny local region of this outpost in the Milky Way... a conflict that some folks are of the opinion has gone on for hundreds of thousands of years... but an opportunity which could slip away because some supposed mystery school graduate wanna be s think they know best as to the course humanity should take - idiocy.

Thank You, Peace... your Avatar fits you well.

[Chester]

Well, it's been 21st June here now in England for some 14 hours. It's past lunchtime and I've yet to see one cabal member being "extracted from the planet". As many of the main players are all in Mexico at the G20, it should have been quite easy for them to perform one foul swoop with their interstellar vacuum cleaner! C'mon ETs, what are you waiting for? :cool:

If certain members are 'removed' by taking them and casting them into the central sun, then their memory will cease to exist - there will be no traces of their existence, previous existence or future existence as they will have been effectively vaporized from any record aside from what is known by Source. So, how do you "know" it hasn't already happened? It's quite the conundrum for anyone looking for proof, don't you think?

There is only a conundrum for inexperienced souls that rely on labyrinthine word play and mind games to trick people.

I journey into dimensions where there is no Time. I know what Timeless dimensions are like.

Partly what holds this dimension together is Time. Time is very real and very present here.

It's bendable for sure... like you may have experienced, if you've been in a car accident, say, how time appears to slow down before the impact.

Conversely, time appears to go very quickly when we're having fun.

Our perception of Time can change, in this dimension, according to how we feel.

But Time is always present here in this dimension. Otherwise, the very nature of this dimension will change and will be something else.

But don't let me stop you carrying on making up this utter bilge, designed to create confusion and apathy. I'm sure there might be some that believe it. You just picked the wrong person with me.

Nice diatribe. However, I wasn't "picking" anything with you aside from pointing out a major issue with regard to the perception of "progress" vs. what they have stated may potentially happen to these souls when allegedly cast into the central sun. It appears that your response, although most likely made in jest, was not well thought out relative to the proclaimed physicality of their claims.

Throwing incarnate beings into a sun (regardless of what sun it is, central or not) is an imposition upon the free will of that spirit being. Nothing will change and they will simply incarnate more fired up than ever before and into a form you cannot defend against and chase you through dozens of lifetimes perhaps. Enjoy your game.

[StarDust]

Throwing incarnate beings into a sun (regardless of what sun it is, central or not) is an imposition upon the free will of that spirit being. Nothing will change and they will simply incarnate more fired up than ever before and into a form you cannot defend against and chase you through dozens of lifetimes perhaps. Enjoy your game.

You seem to be really hung up on weather or not beings are being destroyed vs being reset to move on to other things. This is your cross to bear and not mine. I have no desire to argue the morality of it all. As I've stated before, I'm indifferent about the whole thing. If they are able to be rehabilitated, then great; if not, then oh well! I did not 'create' this solution and am certainly not involved in carrying it out. I only presented information as it was offered by others and nothing more.

[Selene]

Stardust, sweetheart ~

You are trying so very hard here to explain your ideas, and so eagerly seeking support for these. But – and I say this with great respect and I don’t know how to phrase this tactfully - they are only “ideas”. Dreams and thoughts and ideas you’ve read about, not your actual human experience. Experience will teach you many other – and better - things about reality.

We all live in a fantasy world of wishes and hopes to some extent. All of us. At some point we all want to click our ruby shoes together, squeeze our eyes closed tight and say: Santa Claus!

But…. What we really do learn about ourselves and our existence – if we are prepared to start with nothing and learn as we go – can indeed be more marvelous than that. True reality is indeed divine. There is bliss, truly. And peace.

But that’s what’s called a path, an unfolding. And trudging it.

Your experience will eventually exceed your imagination. But you gotta go there to know that.

Ishtar, Raf, 9Eagle, justoneman, the vast mystery, silentfeathers – and so many others here are speaking from experience. (Forgive me for not mentioning all of you by name!) But there’s simply no substitute for doing that homework, on yourself, in solitude.

I admire your tremendous defense of your …..ego?....self?....hopes?.... here. And your sincere wish to be of service. That’s an excellent beginning on the higher path.

But.

But.

Gently, gently. It’s okay to curl up in a fetal position and scream in frustration because you think we don’t understand…. That’s okay.

You will be okay. You will find your own way; I can guarantee that. You are only beginning your own journey toward your own reality. Don't give up on yourself.

All best regards,

Selene

[StarDust]

Selene,

I am sharing a perception and that is all. I have no need to explain "ideas" nor gather support for anything. What a common misperception on the island of misfit ideas. I acknowledge that my thoughts are clearly irrelevant to those who choose to combat them vs acknowledging an experience of another for that which it simply is. And I'm certainly OK with that. Your sugar coated nature does not disguise the condescending tone of your message. I have no desire to join your clique of internet warriors. Collectively, you really are a bunch that is easy to get stirred up over virtually nothing (not all, but some of you). It's quite entertaining at times!

[promezeus]

How about we start another thread entitled... "Drake: For CIA disinfo agents, monkey-minds, and bone-pickers."

They can fight it out there, and We can visit when we get really bored. ;)

[SilentFeathers]

I actually can't take any more of this and am outta here a few hrs before 12:01am June 22nd, 2012.....
Good luck to all regardless of what side the fence you are on with this topic, obviously there is no place in the middle and I will resort to my rock collection on my shelf here in my living room for more peace and clarity than can be found here....c-ya later.....

I'll be back in a week or two, or should I say, "soon"? to see how many are still here and to see who has been ascended or evaporated and to see who has not.

[the_vast_mystery]

Selene,

I am sharing a perception and that is all. I have no need to explain "ideas" nor gather support for anything. What a common misperception on the island of misfit ideas. I acknowledge that my thoughts are clearly irrelevant to those who choose to combat them vs acknowledging an experience of another for that which it simply is. And I'm certainly OK with that. Your sugar coated nature does not disguise the condescending tone of your message. I have no desire to join your clique of internet warriors. Collectively, you really are a bunch that is easy to get stirred up over virtually nothing (not all, but some of you). It's quite entertaining at times!

Okay, I think I can break this down a bit more and hopefully explain why the skepticism exists. First of all, trust is a single variable that determines whether or not someone accepts what you say in any way shape or form. No other thing, all trust. But one of the first lessons learned by the deceived is that trusting blindly or trusting without sufficient demonstration allows one to quite easily be deceived in horrible ways. For someone to trust what you have to say then, you have to make yourself into an example of what you want to convey that will breech all of the bad experiences held by those who were deceived. Every bad experience leads to developing a form of defense. These defenses exist to protect the abused, and they are not to be ignored if you care even a smidgeon about your message being accepted by anyone. One thing my spiritual research has shown me is that if anything, science is more about being able to establish trust in an idea without having to trust who presented it. You propose something that can be tested, and proven wrong (Called falsifiability) and if it survives many various and different attempts at being proven wrong then by process of elimination your explanation can be trusted to be the most correct possible explanation at that given time all available data.

Science however shows us quickly our own human limitations in how physical changes alone can irrevocably alter our own perception of the world. Even if the mind is not the brain, the brain is still a two-way connection to the mind and influencing one certainly influences the other. This means that in short no human being can ever be 100% guaranteed (at least as we exist here and now, today) to be 100% correct in their understanding of what they experienced. Emotional trauma, toxins in the blood, brain damage, or any number of conditions can all drastically impair our senses, ability to understand, or communicate what exactly it is we are seeing and hearing, let alone feeling emotionally. Thus it is always best to first approach every experience first with the belief we could very well be wrong about what it was, and question/test what it is we remember with ourselves and others to be absolutely sure we're not being led astray by ourselves or any other stray environmental factors that might lead us to make a poor conclusion.

Now, science has its own problems because it is still practiced by fallible people operating on their own dogma of materialism, but science itself offers the tools to get around this because it can be used to test any idea, any belief, that claims to in any way shape or form touch the material world. (Gravity is immaterial for instance, yet it effects the material world, and as such we can measure/predict it by its effect on material things.) Of course, if it never touches the material world, science could not predict it. But if it never touches the material world then it seems quite futile to bother studying something that cannot effect you.

Now here's where we get to the very hard question part: If you have no need to explain yourself, and don't need anyone's support on anything then why are you here and why are you claiming to know ANYTHING? Because it's true? How would we know that? How many homeless guys on drugs absolutely believe they're Jesus? What if one of them really was? What good would him saying he was Jesus do if he couldn't prove it to anyone? So if advocacy and enlightenment isn't it, then what is your purpose here? If you're not trying to discuss or debate ideas then why does it sure seem to us like you are? (By responding to others in a way that insinuates you can prove yourself correct, yet does not offer evidence of correctness.) And yes, if you're here to "Share your experiences" that counts as advocacy because you're here to share something based on the idea of offering it as aid to others. But if you cannot even begin to make your experience directly relevant or important to anyone then all you're really doing is annoying people, just like every homeless addict who claims to be Jesus.

Because if one of them really was Jesus, and he had a real mission to do here, he wouldn't hurt it by claiming he was Jesus if he had no proof and knew his success depended on people trusting him for who he was. He'd present himself as authentically as possible while acknowledging the truths of this current world as well. (Namely that things are not merely trusted or taken as they are because this population has dealt with a history or murder, torture and deceit that naturally makes us very untrusting towards anything that seems miles and mountains outside of what we currently believe we know.) By refusing to acknowledge that this is what it takes to get your message accepted, yet persisting in its repetition, you're just turning more people off rather than getting them to care about what you have to say. Why? Because we've had thousands of people say just the same thing and turn out to be frauds.

It's not particularly fair to you and I'm sorry for that; you're not the boy who cried wolf. But because enough other boys in the past who came before you did cry wolf, you'll now have to bear the burden of understanding that anyone who outwardly appears to be a boy crying wolf will be approached that way until the wolf's presence can be determined and trust will only begin to be built after a history of successful confirmed wolf spotting has occurred.

[9eagle9]

Oh that's right, something was supposed to happen today wasn't it? Well I guess the last few hours of daylight of 6/21/2102 are bleeding out somewhere west here. problem is I think the cabal all leave their offices promptly at five and even on the west coast no one is lingering near the water cooler to be arrested.

Might be awkward planning these events on the major occult dates that the ptb currents to their own purposes. Drake the Mystic should know that.

[Dennis Leahy]

...Throwing incarnate beings into a sun (regardless of what sun it is, central or not) is an imposition upon the free will of that spirit being. Nothing will change and they will simply incarnate more fired up than ever before and into a form you cannot defend against and chase you through dozens of lifetimes perhaps. Enjoy your game.
A different angle on this: Have you read the Dr. Michael Newton books, Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls ? These books purport to document a representative sample of the over 7000 past life regressions breaking through to "spirit" or "soul" memory, facilitated by Dr. Newton. The books resonate strongly with me. A lot of spiritual questions were answered to my satisfaction (I can't think of another way to say it.) Among them, what happens when a human that is an evil monster dies. Interestingly, once in spirit form, individuals lose the psychopathology and see their just completed life pretty objectively.

To other spirit beings (light beings), these souls appear as kind of muted, dingy light with dark patches or even holes, and, even then, usually are patched up and made whole before "returning to the game" of incarnation.

Occasionally (so the books said), a soul will come to spirit form so incredibly damaged/distorted by evil that patching-up is not possible, and the soul is assisted to melt back into source. There was no sense of "taking someone out" or a soul going "kicking and screaming." The indication that I got from the books was that in this objective state, a soul would not want to continue on as an individual entity. Dr. Newton got this from one or more highly advanced souls that did this type of work in the spirit realm - it is not his conjecture. This was not about "destruction" or "retribution" or "punishment" and it was simply seen as the best path for that soul at that juncture. The soul itself used free will to acquiesce to this process. There was a sense of matter (even the "stuff" of spirit matter) cannot be created nor destroyed, but can be transmuted. I may not be paraphrasing it properly, but this is my attempt to convey the sense that I got.

I thought of an analogy that may help: A quaking aspen tree "dies", but its roots continue to exist, invisible to our eyes. Then, somewhere along the length of root, the roots shoot up to become a new tree. That would be analogous to reincarnation (new body, same soul.) Elsewhere in the forest, an ancient oak dies, falls to the ground, and disintegrates into soil. Later, a new seed sprouts, pulling up the nutrients that were once the oak tree. The old oak died, does not live on with memory of itself as an entity, but every molecule from it holds and passes on some of its essence.

In the spirit realm, our human outrage at "murdering a murderer" may be quite a human emotional response. I certainly do not disagree, from my human perspective. However, this information I got from Dr. Newton's subjects feels like the truth to me.

Dennis
p.s. The concept of "erasing" a soul's existence through all time was not discussed in these books, and feels incorrect to me.

[Selene]

What a superb analogy, Dennis!

I realize that we may be digressing from this sad comic opera thread, but your comments are nevertheless most appreciated.

Well said, as always.

Cheers,

Selene

[the_vast_mystery]

I think the confusion comes from those who are trying to stop people fearing physical death (because the spirit survives) and those who define death more abstractly as personal discontinuity. If I were to lose my entire memory, and wake up somewhere else entirely it would be the same as if I'd never lived my first life at all. My physical body wouldn't even need to have died so long as I had no contact from anything involved in the prior life. Therefore you could say the first person died and became a new one even though physical death never occurred. Those who see death as personal discontinuity would see the above as the definitive death. As it is the utter dissolution of one's individual identity, and therefore their personal continuity. In this respect yes, they would "die forever" as they would lose everything that they had used to recognize the world around them. Even if the "spark of awareness" that sees, continues, the person before has just died as every way of identifying who they were was just erased.

[SilentFeathers]

Oh that's right, something was supposed to happen today wasn't it? Well I guess the last few hours of daylight of 6/21/2102 are bleeding out somewhere west here. problem is I think the cabal all leave their offices promptly at five and even on the west coast no one is lingering near the water cooler to be arrested.

Might be awkward planning these events on the major occult dates that the ptb currents to their own purposes. Drake the Mystic should know that.

..and people are making important real life decisions based on hearsay evidence told to them from people who hear voices in there heads, or should I say in more scientific believable solid terms; channeled information received from ET's......hmmm, boggles my mind to say the least......

PS: I still have 90 minutes left :)

[StarDust]

I am sharing a perception and that is all….

Thank you for your perspective on the bruised psyche of many people here on Avalon.

It is very evident that many here need to trust anything other than themselves to gain approval for their ideas. I'm not one of those people and as such I do not seek or want anyone's approval. As I've stated before and I'll state again, I'm here to share ideas and nothing more. If someone has an interesting idea, then I'll journey down that path, if not, then I head the other direction. I state my truth as I have discovered it through experience, understanding, intuitive knowing and messages from my home from afar and am willing to share a perspective. At no time have I ever stated that it was THE perspective; only that it's A perspective. This is why I emphatically state that if my message does not resonate with you then you are welcome to discard it and move to something that does.

What I find most fascinating is the number of people who gravitate to subjects that they are steadfastly opposed to, yet spend extraordinary amounts of time within.

As for proof of anything…what is the importance of any of it? If someone claimed to be Jesus Christ and pulled out his ID issued by GOD to prove it, then walked on water and pulled a chocolate bar out of his a$$, would it really matter to anyone anyway? If so, what would that impact be other than to be able to say you met Jesus Christ.

As for the "experience" that some claim to have in spades, well, I'm of the school that you judge a tree by its fruit. And from where I'm standing all I can see are 1 dimensional descriptions of something resembling fruit and not the fruit itself. If and when, my computer screen starts oozing apple sauce, well, then I'll change my tune. In the interim, there has been nothing proven here on Avalon in any concrete form, other than the fact that some people are prolific writers.

In sum, I thank you for your thoughts but choose not to play the "Avalon Proof & Truth" game. In the end, it is all just words on a screen and nothing more from my perspective.

[SilentFeathers]

In the end, it is all just words on a screen and nothing more from my perspective.

This one sentence makes more sense than most of the stuff I've read in this thread! thanks Stardust, you never cease to amaze me!!!!!

[StarDust]

..and people are making important real life decisions based on hearsay evidence told to them from people who hear voices in there heads, or should I say in more scientific believable solid terms; channeled information received from ET's......hmmm, boggles my mind to say the least......

PS: I still have 90 minutes left :)

If someone, somewhere, makes a wrong turn in life because of what someone else said without any discernment within, then they get and deserve what's coming to them. Pure and simple. People need to take full responsibility for their own lives and their own decisions. IMO, gullibility is no excuse for essentially giving away your own power, ever!

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In the end, it is all just words on a screen and nothing more from my perspective.

This one sentence makes more sense than most of the stuff I've read in this thread! thanks Stardust, you never cease to amaze me!!!!!

My pleasure;)

[SilentFeathers]

If someone, somewhere, makes a wrong turn in life because of what someone else said without any discernment within, then they get and deserve what's coming to them. Pure and simple. People need to take full responsibility for their own lives and their own decisions. IMO, gullibility is no excuse for essentially giving away your own power, ever![COLOR="red"]



More great stuff Stardust! I agree with you very seldom, but this I totally agree with you on! Thanks again!

[Anchor]

Oh that's right, something was supposed to happen today wasn't it? Well I guess the last few hours of daylight of 6/21/2102 are bleeding out somewhere west here. problem is I think the cabal all leave their offices promptly at five and even on the west coast no one is lingering near the water cooler to be arrested.

Might be awkward planning these events on the major occult dates that the ptb currents to their own purposes. Drake the Mystic should know that.


Analysis of the extant narratives: The whole point of being a hidden hand is that your hand is hidden. If these hidden hands are taken out the game, then we wont know. So, the opportunities to continue the narrative remain, the opportunities to gloat definitively are denied, the opportunities to discern continue :)

Outcome 1) Hidden hand/cabal heads/top elites is/are removed, things get better over time.

Outcome 2) No one gets "removed" but you know what, I still think things will get better over time.

There are others, but I don't go there.

[StarDust]

More great stuff Stardust! I agree with you very seldom, but this I totally agree with you on! Thanks again!

You're welcome! The funny thing is that I don't disagree with the core aspects of what most of you are saying, most of the time. Sometimes I'm only playing devil's advocate to get to the root of where people are coming from. That is when the real pearls of wisdom come out from hiding.

[NancyV]

If someone, somewhere, makes a wrong turn in life because of what someone else said without any discernment within, then they get and deserve what's coming to them. Pure and simple. People need to take full responsibility for their own lives and their own decisions. IMO, gullibility is no excuse for essentially giving away your own power, ever![COLOR="red"]



More great stuff Stardust! I agree with you very seldom, but this I totally agree with you on! Thanks again!

Good to find SOMETHING to agree about with Stardust!
Pssst....don't go for too long! I'll miss you.
:kiss:

[gripreaper]

We're in the midst of a transition, it's that simple.

The process of this transition will be different for many, it's that simple, something along those lines.

This should be spread like free beer, something along those lines, it's that simple...

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c26/megg767/man_head_spinning_lg_nwm.gif

[SilentFeathers]

If someone, somewhere, makes a wrong turn in life because of what someone else said without any discernment within, then they get and deserve what's coming to them. Pure and simple. People need to take full responsibility for their own lives and their own decisions. IMO, gullibility is no excuse for essentially giving away your own power, ever![COLOR="red"]



More great stuff Stardust! I agree with you very seldom, but this I totally agree with you on! Thanks again!

Good to find SOMETHING to agree about with Stardust!
Pssst....don't go for too long! I'll miss you.
:kiss:

about 5 more minutes and I'm stepping away for a while, I really need to for the health of my own mental and spiritual sanity :)

PS: I'd give you a date in which I will return, but we all know how dates and deadlines turn out in this thread!

added

it's 12:01am, June 22nd and nothing happened.....c-ya!

[peace]

ok?
we done?

what's the excuse for NOTHING HAPPENING?

pretty sure we had some specific things that were supposed go down.

when the main person speaking up for your cause admits to covertly deceiving other professionals in the field, i feel we ALL should have taken note.

yet the hero/idol worship continues, i'm sure.

goodnight avalon

(and yes, i'll see you tomorrow, where again, nothing will happen with this material - and yes, i care about each one of you, that's why some not so nice things need to be said).

[StarDust]

Since there is a significant mention about Drake, it seems appropriate to include the latest update from COBRA here:

http://2012portal.blogspot.com/


Thursday, June 21, 2012
Operation Stardust 2

You might want to listen to the excellent last Drake’s interview, especially from 18 to 86 minute mark:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/global-voice-2012-radio-network/2012/06/20/drakes-mid-week-update

It is obvious at this point that the Cabal as a whole does not want to surrender. The plan of the mass arrests continues. This time of negotiations has not been spent in vain. The Cabal has been given its chance. The generous offer has been refused. This protocol has finally allowed the positive ET forces to start taking some action. According to the Galactic Codex, section IV/2, The Galactic Confederation has an unalienable and unconditional right to the implementation of the Galactic Codex and of conquering the areas of Galactic Codex violation with military force if necessary.

This subsection gives a legal basis for the liberation of the occupied planets with military force. The military forces of the Confederation remove or give assistance to the local Positive Military in removal of the representatives of the Dark Forces and set the hostages free.

Operation Stardust 2 was carried out by the Pleiadian Fleet from the orbit of planet Earth. Stardust is the codename of a special advanced nanotechnology. It is a dust made of small nanoparticles that were sprayed into the physical bodies of the members of the Cabal and their minions (think “cosmic chemtrails”). This nanodust can not be removed by any technology known on Earth. Its activation has two phases. The first phase blocks the central nervous system immediately and a person can not move. The second phase kills the person. It will be activated at the time of the Event to block members of the Cabal trying to do any harm. In vast majority of cases Phase 1 activation will be sufficient. The purpose of the Operation Stardust is to counteract any negative effects of Doom 33 that the Cabal might want to use at that point. In combination with the Positive Military action, this basically check-mates the power of the Cabal. This technology will NOT be activated before the Event. At the Event, the Positive Military and civilian authority will still need to do their part. The purpose of this operation is to make it easier for them.

If high-ranking members of the Cabal need to have proof that Operation Stardust 2 is real, this proof can be arranged.

I would still suggest them to surrender before the Event takes place or even during the Event itself. Those that surrender and cooperate with the Light forces will be treated with much more forgiveness.

I would also like to stress that most of the members of the Cabal families are not guilty and need healing, not condemnation. As you can read in this brave report:

http://iamstasha.blogspot.com/2012/06/my-dirty-little-secret-im-rockefeller.html

I would encourage other beings in similar position to come forth with their confessions. I will give space in my blog for their expression. This will be healing for many.

As I have said many times, I do not know when the Event will happen. No human being knows, only our Source does.

Yes it can happen in a few days. But no guarantees. I have been given intel years ago that the deadline is April 2012. Now it is June. The only thing I know 100% is that it WILL happen. I will report the events as they unfold.


PS, the mission name and my gifted pen name are merely coincidental.

PPS, Cabal targeted chemtrail revenge! The plot thickens...:popcorn:

[applecrusher1992]

My heart feels some sort of climax and the tension with it. I still hold hope because I had a dream right after the Venus passing about a certain and specific date next week and saw this event happening on the main stream news. I had dreams before that didn't happen about major earthquakes or events and some that have come true. But I am a realist and as of now from a practical and evidential point of view the chances of this happening are low. But we shall see.

[joedjemal]

Is this thing still dragging on? Haven't seen anything in the real world yet. Still looks like hokum to me.

[danceblackcatdance]

the same Pleiadians Truman Cash discusses and has had experience with?
I don't believe Truman said they came from the Pleiades :)



However, this does not necessarily mean that the SSPs come from the Pleiades. I have no idea where they come from.

Then you did not read Truman's Eye of Ra. He specifically states throughout the over 100 page document that one of the ET groups he has dealt with were the SSPs - The Serpent Staff Pleiadeans... and guess what they did?

justoneman, i understand that you're tired of hearing about this so am sorry to bring this up again a few pages later :)

but i have read the Eye of Ra, and i specifically asked Truman and posted his response above :eyebrows:

he said he has no idea if the SSP's were from the Pleiades...

:p

[Chester]

Here is a quote from an individual that to me, possesses a great deal of honesty, experience, courage and love -

"Like many humans, I’m a hypocrite: that means that I compartmentalize my experience for convenience."

This is the point I am making about "executions." Take the parts of the plan that "feel good" and buy all the toilet paper you think you'll need for a few months... then all is well. Then say hello to the same ole thing that got us here all over again, Atlantis 2 (or might it be 3 or 4 or 5 or... until the chances run out?)

To Stardust and Avocadess - One might "just be reporting" but in reporting you are supporting and that includes the "executions" component.

Besides this whole Drake garbage being on the one hand nonsense and distraction and on the other hand, a deeply flawed, human business as usual... each day we focus on it and/or anything like it, we lose another day of opportunity towards transformation of ourselves, because in the end, the only way our planet(s) sun and sector of the universe survives itself is that we transform ourselves.

If we do, we skate through... and do so deservedly. If we don't, the sun will burp and the burp will be aimed in our direction.

the quote above is from Bill Ryan.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?23176-The-Cry-of-Gaia

[Chester]

Selene,

I am sharing a perception and that is all. I have no need to explain "ideas" nor gather support for anything. What a common misperception on the island of misfit ideas. I acknowledge that my thoughts are clearly irrelevant to those who choose to combat them vs acknowledging an experience of another for that which it simply is. And I'm certainly OK with that. Your sugar coated nature does not disguise the condescending tone of your message. I have no desire to join your clique of internet warriors. Collectively, you really are a bunch that is easy to get stirred up over virtually nothing (not all, but some of you). It's quite entertaining at times!

Okay, I think I can break this down a bit more and hopefully explain why the skepticism exists. First of all, trust is a single variable that determines whether or not someone accepts what you say in any way shape or form. No other thing, all trust. But one of the first lessons learned by the deceived is that trusting blindly or trusting without sufficient demonstration allows one to quite easily be deceived in horrible ways. For someone to trust what you have to say then, you have to make yourself into an example of what you want to convey that will breech all of the bad experiences held by those who were deceived. Every bad experience leads to developing a form of defense. These defenses exist to protect the abused, and they are not to be ignored if you care even a smidgeon about your message being accepted by anyone. One thing my spiritual research has shown me is that if anything, science is more about being able to establish trust in an idea without having to trust who presented it. You propose something that can be tested, and proven wrong (Called falsifiability) and if it survives many various and different attempts at being proven wrong then by process of elimination your explanation can be trusted to be the most correct possible explanation at that given time all available data.

Science however shows us quickly our own human limitations in how physical changes alone can irrevocably alter our own perception of the world. Even if the mind is not the brain, the brain is still a two-way connection to the mind and influencing one certainly influences the other. This means that in short no human being can ever be 100% guaranteed (at least as we exist here and now, today) to be 100% correct in their understanding of what they experienced. Emotional trauma, toxins in the blood, brain damage, or any number of conditions can all drastically impair our senses, ability to understand, or communicate what exactly it is we are seeing and hearing, let alone feeling emotionally. Thus it is always best to first approach every experience first with the belief we could very well be wrong about what it was, and question/test what it is we remember with ourselves and others to be absolutely sure we're not being led astray by ourselves or any other stray environmental factors that might lead us to make a poor conclusion.

Now, science has its own problems because it is still practiced by fallible people operating on their own dogma of materialism, but science itself offers the tools to get around this because it can be used to test any idea, any belief, that claims to in any way shape or form touch the material world. (Gravity is immaterial for instance, yet it effects the material world, and as such we can measure/predict it by its effect on material things.) Of course, if it never touches the material world, science could not predict it. But if it never touches the material world then it seems quite futile to bother studying something that cannot effect you.

Now here's where we get to the very hard question part: If you have no need to explain yourself, and don't need anyone's support on anything then why are you here and why are you claiming to know ANYTHING? Because it's true? How would we know that? How many homeless guys on drugs absolutely believe they're Jesus? What if one of them really was? What good would him saying he was Jesus do if he couldn't prove it to anyone? So if advocacy and enlightenment isn't it, then what is your purpose here? If you're not trying to discuss or debate ideas then why does it sure seem to us like you are? (By responding to others in a way that insinuates you can prove yourself correct, yet does not offer evidence of correctness.) And yes, if you're here to "Share your experiences" that counts as advocacy because you're here to share something based on the idea of offering it as aid to others. But if you cannot even begin to make your experience directly relevant or important to anyone then all you're really doing is annoying people, just like every homeless addict who claims to be Jesus.

Because if one of them really was Jesus, and he had a real mission to do here, he wouldn't hurt it by claiming he was Jesus if he had no proof and knew his success depended on people trusting him for who he was. He'd present himself as authentically as possible while acknowledging the truths of this current world as well. (Namely that things are not merely trusted or taken as they are because this population has dealt with a history or murder, torture and deceit that naturally makes us very untrusting towards anything that seems miles and mountains outside of what we currently believe we know.) By refusing to acknowledge that this is what it takes to get your message accepted, yet persisting in its repetition, you're just turning more people off rather than getting them to care about what you have to say. Why? Because we've had thousands of people say just the same thing and turn out to be frauds.

It's not particularly fair to you and I'm sorry for that; you're not the boy who cried wolf. But because enough other boys in the past who came before you did cry wolf, you'll now have to bear the burden of understanding that anyone who outwardly appears to be a boy crying wolf will be approached that way until the wolf's presence can be determined and trust will only begin to be built after a history of successful confirmed wolf spotting has occurred.

Blind trust is laziness and irresponsibility and a great thing to demonstrate to our children and others... no wonder we are at where we are at.

[Chester]

I think the confusion comes from those who are trying to stop people fearing physical death (because the spirit survives) and those who define death more abstractly as personal discontinuity. If I were to lose my entire memory, and wake up somewhere else entirely it would be the same as if I'd never lived my first life at all. My physical body wouldn't even need to have died so long as I had no contact from anything involved in the prior life. Therefore you could say the first person died and became a new one even though physical death never occurred. Those who see death as personal discontinuity would see the above as the definitive death. As it is the utter dissolution of one's individual identity, and therefore their personal continuity. In this respect yes, they would "die forever" as they would lose everything that they had used to recognize the world around them. Even if the "spark of awareness" that sees, continues, the person before has just died as every way of identifying who they were was just erased.

This is interestingly precisely as I see the dynamic between the spirit and the soul and its all about perspective.

The soul is the container that carries one's "essence" through to the next experience.

From the perspective of the spirit - If one transcends their soul, they have somehow undone the lies they told themselves throughout their spirit being experiences. These are the lies which we "believed" which created the soul complex to begin with which we carry like a bag of rocks through all our incarnative experiences.

From the perspective of the soul - If one can realize the truth that one is a spirit being, perfect, immortal and eternal and at the same time bring forth into their conscious mind all their experience from their soul memories into their now moment, one might see they are a "one off" from source (child of creation or god or source, whatever word you like) and yet find yourself in a realm of existence within which are infinite sisters/brothers of this same source... all of us perfect children of source, immortal and eternal. This is how love was born... just my opinion.

The difference between the two perspectives may be what effects ones proclivity towards psychopathy (the spirit being perspective sans the soul) or one's proclivity towards acceptance that each of us is an equal from the perspective of source - which can be seen as that we are all "children of God."

It is my view that just because I have realized that I am a spirit being - a perfect, one off, child of creation - a "son of God" as meant by A Course in Miracles, which had simply forgotten who/what I am but no longer am held within that condition... and that I am "free of my soul" which for me is simply the baggage I have carried through from previous experiences does not mean that I am now a psychopath because the soul experience allowed me to realize how joyful it is to be a teammate as opposed to being king of the universe.

The freed spirit being that chooses to be the egoic expression - metaphorically this is "satan" expressing itself as a psychopath whereas the freed spirit being that appreciates its "souled" experiences is able to express itself as an appreciative sister or brother with all spirit beings.

I have chosen the latter and I am free, happy, fear no death, fear nothing other than the possibility of wasting an opportunity to see/experience a realm within which all spirit beings are free and have chosen to appreciate their ensouled experience.

I have one wish, and that is that more and more folks are able to free themselves of the aspects carried through within their souls from which they have carried forth self deception. Perhaps if we reach the real tipping point within each of us, our world will truly transform, we will be our own saviors though the idea of salvation will likely become foreign to us and Gaia will be one happy camper, the sun might ramp down, the brown dwarf may ramp down and we will avoid the calamity of severe earth changes many folks fear.

Note: Sometimes people have a hard part about the "perfection" aspect of our being so I will try and clarify by using myself as an example...

I am perfect.

Perfectly imperfect.

When I make a mistake, I make it perfectly.

You can't make a mistake more perfectly than I can.

I prove this to myself daily.

It's good to know this about me.

Now do your best - "justone" and never forget your soul experience

[Chester]

Since there is a significant mention about Drake, it seems appropriate to include the latest update from COBRA here:

http://2012portal.blogspot.com/


Thursday, June 21, 2012
Operation Stardust 2

You might want to listen to the excellent last Drake’s interview, especially from 18 to 86 minute mark:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/global-voice-2012-radio-network/2012/06/20/drakes-mid-week-update

It is obvious at this point that the Cabal as a whole does not want to surrender. The plan of the mass arrests continues. This time of negotiations has not been spent in vain. The Cabal has been given its chance. The generous offer has been refused. This protocol has finally allowed the positive ET forces to start taking some action. According to the Galactic Codex, section IV/2, The Galactic Confederation has an unalienable and unconditional right to the implementation of the Galactic Codex and of conquering the areas of Galactic Codex violation with military force if necessary.

This subsection gives a legal basis for the liberation of the occupied planets with military force. The military forces of the Confederation remove or give assistance to the local Positive Military in removal of the representatives of the Dark Forces and set the hostages free.

Operation Stardust 2 was carried out by the Pleiadian Fleet from the orbit of planet Earth. Stardust is the codename of a special advanced nanotechnology. It is a dust made of small nanoparticles that were sprayed into the physical bodies of the members of the Cabal and their minions (think “cosmic chemtrails”). This nanodust can not be removed by any technology known on Earth. Its activation has two phases. The first phase blocks the central nervous system immediately and a person can not move. The second phase kills the person. It will be activated at the time of the Event to block members of the Cabal trying to do any harm. In vast majority of cases Phase 1 activation will be sufficient. The purpose of the Operation Stardust is to counteract any negative effects of Doom 33 that the Cabal might want to use at that point. In combination with the Positive Military action, this basically check-mates the power of the Cabal. This technology will NOT be activated before the Event. At the Event, the Positive Military and civilian authority will still need to do their part. The purpose of this operation is to make it easier for them.

If high-ranking members of the Cabal need to have proof that Operation Stardust 2 is real, this proof can be arranged.

I would still suggest them to surrender before the Event takes place or even during the Event itself. Those that surrender and cooperate with the Light forces will be treated with much more forgiveness.

I would also like to stress that most of the members of the Cabal families are not guilty and need healing, not condemnation. As you can read in this brave report:

http://iamstasha.blogspot.com/2012/06/my-dirty-little-secret-im-rockefeller.html

I would encourage other beings in similar position to come forth with their confessions. I will give space in my blog for their expression. This will be healing for many.

As I have said many times, I do not know when the Event will happen. No human being knows, only our Source does.

Yes it can happen in a few days. But no guarantees. I have been given intel years ago that the deadline is April 2012. Now it is June. The only thing I know 100% is that it WILL happen. I will report the events as they unfold.


PS, the mission name and my gifted pen name are merely coincidental.

PPS, Cabal targeted chemtrail revenge! The plot thickens...:popcorn:

As predicted by another poster or two within the last few days - we now have "The Event" to wait for (so this thread will live on...) and the good thing about "The Event" is that... there is no date!!!

Brilliant... this allows all the time in the world for additional donations. Brilliant!

Can I set up recurring donations via Paypal? I sure hope so!

Thanks Cobra you sneaky snake!

(note: as long as I am able to post, that means my central nervous system has remained unblocked and thus that must mean I am NOT one of THEM - WoW! happy dance time...)

[Chester]

the same Pleiadians Truman Cash discusses and has had experience with?
I don't believe Truman said they came from the Pleiades :)



However, this does not necessarily mean that the SSPs come from the Pleiades. I have no idea where they come from.

Then you did not read Truman's Eye of Ra. He specifically states throughout the over 100 page document that one of the ET groups he has dealt with were the SSPs - The Serpent Staff Pleiadeans... and guess what they did?

justoneman, i understand that you're tired of hearing about this so am sorry to bring this up again a few pages later :)

but i have read the Eye of Ra, and i specifically asked Truman and posted his response above :eyebrows:

he said he has no idea if the SSP's were from the Pleiades...

:p


Then why does Truman refer to the Pleiadians over 140 times in the Eye of Ra?

But let's play the game here...

Do the current "good guy" Pleiadians come from the Pleiades? Did they bring birth certificates like Obama?

Because they appear to be "good guys" to third parties you trust does that mean you have as much confidence that they actually do come from the Pleiades as Truman did at certain points in time in his incarnative experiences?

Recall in Truman's Eye of Ra when Truman was Ramses II he believed they were from the Pleiades. It is only in his recent experience that he states what is obviously true about any off planet entity, real or imagined... that being we don't really know for sure where any of these beings actually come from.

From the Eye of Ra -

"For example, a person who is being abducted by Grays this lifetime may have been contacted in a past life by a human-looking ET group called Pleiadians."

So I concede your point that the SSPs that Truman refers to may have been liars and very possibly not from the Pleiades.

And I am glad to know that the "good guy" ETs are being truthful that they are actually from the Pleiades.

Yet in both cases, someone is taking the word of another incarnated spirit being. And we are all taking the word of these sources. Something suggests to me that I am taking an unnecessary risk here as "the Plan" appears to be the same exact technique of creating the belief amongst humanity in a "good guy" / "bad guy" dynamic. The actual point I have been trying to make in may last dozen posts which few seem to catch.

This seems to be no different than the Egyptian / Hittite story in Truman's Eye of Ra e-book.

Is this point getting through yet?

Another series of questions to consider...

Where do you come from? Do you come from the physical location where the physical body you currently inhabit is from? Or do you come from the last implant station your soul was held? Or do you come from source as a child of creation?

When are we going to accept all life within creation are children of source and thus in one way or another a sister or brother? Why I suggest this is because if we could actually accept this possibility, it may then be possible to transcend our susceptibility to aligning with side A or side B in a third party's loosh farm complex.

Note: I have completed my personal process of freeing my spirit from the grips of the matrix and thus have found myself in a new realm where there resides no "them"... only "us."

[Kimberley]

After the last few pages of this thread (that I only skimmed, because I only come here to look for updates or to post updates) I wanted to post this image.

I also want to again thank those that post updates...thank you!

I know that the title of this thread is "Drake: Updates, clarifications and more". The only clarification that means anything to me is my own clarification therefore I have no need for the more either, especially the critical more.

Much love to us all!!

[9eagle9]

combination with the Positive Military action, this basically check-mates the power of the Cabal. This technology will NOT be activated before the Event. At the Event, the Positive Military and civilian authority will still need to do their part. The purpose of this operation is to make it easier for them.



Well there you go. Someone wasn't doing their part.

See when a zillion ufos come warming out of the sky, and anyone with just one cell of cabalastic intention suddenly freezes in their tracks people at large are of course going to immediately know what part they are to play in all of this. (Don't think for one instant they will all be gap-jawed and frozen in place themselves--they will instantly 'know' they have some part to play in all of this)

And these brings up the next question. After you freeze someone's central nervous system rendering them harmless what exactly do those on the ground, what does the civilian authorities and Barney military, need to be prepared to do? Waste removal? Shoot the cabal in the back as they remain in stasis? Wrap them up and use them for next year's freezer meat?

Pile them into court so they can sit motionless and not respond to any hearing or examination?

I would be checking out the plastic action in their wallets I bet they are carrying some heavy duty line of credit in there. What's in YOUR wallet, laddie! Then I'd be making some serious ass waves with all that plastic , round two of the greatest case of identity theft ever. Within a day the Pentagon would be the largest organic hydroponics facility on the face of the earth. I have vision though and aren't told what to wait to do. I would decide what part I played in this whole thing and if the aliens didn't like they could 1) Kiss my arse 2) remember WHOSE planet they are on. Robinhood would have nuthin over on me (and of course I'm not greedy, you can have a card or two or three---spending other people's money is such fun)


What do you need to be ready for, and what part do you plan when you are dealing with thousand of cabalists in suspended animation. I mean if you've gone that far to fly a zillion light years across the galaxy, chemtrailed the cabalists motionless, you can't take the last little step , that last little part, but the authorities on the ground (who will of course know where the cabalists are frozen at--in elevators, in bed, at the bottom of the ocean as they scuba dive) have to somehow come in a put what is the equivalent of hanging a picture on the wall on moving day?

A stop gap measure is , as ALWAYS needed, when our little plan falls apart: The Barney Military and Civilian Authorities weren't in place. The lamest of flimsiest contingencies.

As always.

[9eagle9]

This is not creation of the future. The future is created now by one's own ability to create not by allowing pseudo leaders and gurus to make one up for them.

You are not creating your future. Someone else is creating a story for you to step into. No one would have ever thought 2012 was a significant year until someone came along and told them. You'd be completely uninvolved in this scenario until someone told you 'this is the way it is'.

Wilcoks attempted to invite people into his Ascension 2000 reality (fail) and now again in 2012. Because those are not created realities they didn't and won't come to reality. Those are manufactured stories that have nothing to do with the creation of the future. Saying something will happen in the future is not creating a new reality in the now.

This is not Your future reality that you are creating, although you'd like to peddle that you know something about the creation of reality a computer generated graphic with a catchy slogan on it is not a self realization tool. Someone is creating a reality based on how they want it to be and you by agreement for-sook your own ability to create a future reality for yourself and decided to allow someone else to manage the creation of your reality. The future is spun in the now, not by calendar dates.

That is not what sovereign people do. That is what followers do.

The people who are actually creating a future reality that has anything remotely to do with Drake are the one's who are refusing his story, as 'not their future reality"

As well they should, everyone has their own future reality to create in the now. Some will take the lead and do so and some will only be led.



After the last few pages of this thread (that I only skimmed, because I only come here to look for updates or to post updates) I wanted to post this image.

I also want to again thank those that post updates...thank you!

I know that the title of this thread is "Drake: Updates, clarifications and more". The only clarification that means anything to me is my own clarification therefore I have no need for the more either, especially the critical more.

Much love to us all!!

[Hervé]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/paperclip.png Attached Thumbnailshttp://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=17038&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1340372365 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=17038&d=1340372365)

That's what the "cabal" has been doing all along... like real pros. All of it in spite of millenia of prayers, positive thinking, doing and projecting against their deeds.

Just think how many years 9-11 has been in the planning in order to create the intended effect that was all benefits for them.

[Chester]

In contemplating the "frozen nervous system" possibility, it occurred to me that by the imposition of one's will upon another being in that fashion would result in the stoppage of all the bodies functionality, including the involuntary bodily functions such as the beating of the heart and the breathing of the lungs. Sounds like murder to me and perhaps a cruel one at that as there may be moments where the being realizes what has happened to it and where it will lead.

BUT, since it is being done by the "good guy ETs" then it makes it all ok to murder folks in this way!!! Yipee, a loophole! Yes!

[SilentFeathers]

When/If "they" start rounding up innocent civilians and executing them in fema camps and Drake and Cobra tells you that they must be "guilty by association" with the cabal, and that the only evidence of their guilt is because Cobra says so because he heard voices in his/her head, supposedly channeled from/by the "good" ET's, that they ARE guilty, will this be acceptable?????

This is a very dangerous game these people are playing in my opinion. If a scenario like I just mentioned above comes into being, it will pit well meaning people like us against each other instantly, much much worse than what you are seeing in this thread.

...and who's to say that Cobra really isn't David Wilcock himself? with a new website "Portal2012", which in all sense mirrors his divinecosmos site pertaining to subject matter/topic, yet taking his (or someone else's) vision / agenda a step further?

Personally I think the nano particles have become activated in many people and they are not the cabal members, they have been activated in many average people in order to brainwash them into believing that they can see or hear anything with extreme clarity when what they are actually seeing or hearing has no clarity what so ever.... particularly, psyops programs like this Drake Wilcock Cobra Fulford one....

I know I said I was going to stay away from this thread, but I thought this was a few important points to make.......and I am still slowly weaning myself away from this thread in some extent.

[9eagle9]

And.....It will be so acceptable that Cobra and Drakes adherents who can't find their arses with both hand will be coaxed into thinking they are warriors themselves and end up with bloody holes directly on their foreheads when they impose their assholery on people who know better. "This can't be all bad though with St. David hovering over it all giving his benediction."

Whatever the hell Drake and Company have corded themselves into is certainly infectious amongst the fan club. Clever , they were able to meld into two previously seperate camps the militia minded and the Wilcocks 'lite' workers.

The more I watch this thread and the mindsets of the ra ra cheerleaders who haven't a clue beyond the 'feel good' aspect of it all, the more I see a cabalistic program on it's own being initiated among the ignorant....mirroring precisely how the ptb operates---ultimately they are the ones who are going to be harmed by it. One already seen what happened when one fringe participant convinced himself he was a warrior..

[RMorgan]

When "they" start rounding up innocent civilians and executing them in fema camps and Drake and Cobra tells you that they must be "guilty by association" with the cabal, and that the only evidence of their guilt is because Cobra says so because he heard voices in his/her head, supposedly channeled by ET's, that they ARE guilty, will this be acceptable?????

This is what happens whenever any society arrests people without a judgment conducted by a fair and unbiased court of law. Innocent people get killed.

Everybody has the right to defend themselves in a courtroom, when facing any charges; no exception!

Who is Drake or Cobra to judge anyone? We don´t even know their real names! We know nothing about their lives, their pasts. NOTHING!

I wouldn´t be surprised at all if Drake or Cobra show up to be certain well known alternative media characters...Who was the first person to mention Drake? If you don´t know, you should. Is this person reliable? No, it isn´t; at all.

If this plan was real, which I´m 99.99% that isn´t, it would be a huge humanitarian throwback, sending us right back to the dark ages, when people used to lynch and torture other people without proper judgment.

It´s time to wake up folks. The FEMA camps are already there and not to imprison the "cabal" members...

Raf.

[9eagle9]

Yeah unnerving thought to have people with such lack of discernment thinking they should be running the world's affairs.

We would end up with the new boss same as the old boss. Fortunately none of this **** is going to come to pass and is just another excercize in mocking the ptb and its unwittingy pawns.

The fact that people WANT this sort of scenario to come to pass is what I find disturbing but that's not news. I've always been disturbed by this. Who am I sharing my world with? People who haven't a shred of discernment or even any SELF respect.

There is not a new world that can be created by using the old methods of construction. The ptb can only repeat, and improvise on what they've already replicated which gives one a clue as to what is at the underlying foundation of this nonsense.

[9eagle9]

The cabal: "Let's invest trillions in making secret camps to imprison ourselves in when the aliens land!"

With the stupid **** that the government spends our money on I could nearly believe that....but I don't.

The cabal: "Let's invest trillions in making secret work camps to imprison the Mortgage Foreclosure Disenfranchised and Jobless--the very conditions that we created. those ****ing slacker workers are useless now, let's get them back to work!"

That I could believe.

[SilentFeathers]

The cabal: "Let's invest trillions in making secret camps to imprison ourselves in when the aliens land!"

With the stupid **** that the government spends our money on I could nearly believe that....but I don't.

The cabal: "Let's invest trillions in making secret work camps to imprison the Mortgage Foreclosure Disenfranchised and Jobless--the very conditions that we created. those ****ing slacker workers are useless now, let's get them back to work!"

That I could believe.

Its people like us and militias that refuse silly programs like this one and many others that can not be easily manipulated and controlled that'll be the ones they seek first to throw in these camps....

Recent legislation, specifically in the last decade is evidence enough for me that this Drake plan is not as real as the one put down on paper and is in a sense very real and also made legal to do.....the NDAA is a good example to read....

Many people need to seriously think about this and stop looking at things from only one angle....what's more real? a bunch of ET's saving the world or what is right in front of your face everyday?

[foreverfan]

It's simple amazing how negative some people can be.
It certainly isn't difficult to discredit these people when they provide no proof. Still, if the shoe was on the other foot and you were Drake, would you out your sources? No.

We shall see... I'm not discrediting any of these people since it would be too easy. I'm just following a story. Some of you guys go our your way to discredit these people like it gives you some power or you feel this need to warn people. All I want to say is SO WHAT.

If it's BS and I've listed to a bunch of nonsense, big freaking deal. No worse than listening to MSNBC, CNN or FOX News. Still, these people are doing an incredible job of just WAKING PEOPLE UP and I have no doubt at great risk to their well fare.

The only thing I worry about is if they are work for the Cabal and are collecting all the names of the people in the resistance for the Cabal to shove in FEMA camps. Still, I don't get that feeling at all.

FF

[jackovesk]

Should have put this in this section, rather than creating another Thread...:noidea:

David Icke Newsletter Preview: EMBEDDED IN HUMAN DNA …

Jun 22, 2012

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/2010-02/embeddedhumandna.jpg

… ‘COME AND SAVE ME’ …

The David Icke Newsletter Goes Out On Sunday

A friend forwarded me an email this week and asked what I thought of the contents. I shook my head as I scanned the page because I had seen it all before many times.

It was summarising, and providing links to, the claims of a ‘whistleblower’ who calls himself ‘Drake’, which is a form of duck. There was also a game in Olde England called ‘ducks and drakes’ dating from the 16th century in which flat stones were thrown across the water in a way that made them bounce before sinking. It is known today as ‘skimming’. Or is it ‘scamming’?

The term ‘playing ducks and drakes’ became a metaphor to describe behaviour that was irresponsible, reckless, and involved ‘squandering wealth or throwing away something of value’. There are other common phrases inspired by ducks, including sitting duck and lame duck. I also see that the word ‘duck’ derives from the Old English dūce , or ‘diver’, a derivative of the verb dūcan, which means ‘to duck, bend down low as if to get under something, or dive.’

Put the two together and you get the phrase to ‘duck and dive’. It all seems rather appropriate to me when I read the claims and assertions of ‘Drake’ and his predominant promoter, David Wilcock, along with those of Benjamin Fulford. Wilcock and Fulford operate in the field of conspiracy research with Wilcock in America and Fulford in Japan.

I am not suggesting that either of them, or even the anonymous Drake, know that what they are promoting is all a scam, but a scam it is from where I am looking. They may know, but I am not saying that they do because I have no idea. My feeling, however, is that, amazingly, at least Wilcock and Fulford don’t know. If ‘Drake’ doesn’t know that what he and the other two say is nonsensical then he is not in control of his own mind so ridiculous are his statements – and theirs …

… Fulford says that something called the ‘Gnostic Illuminati’ and the ‘White Dragon Society’ are going to arrest the leaders of the Global Cabal and release funds to end world poverty. They have given the Cabal a deadline (actually deadline after deadline after deadline) to give themselves up or else. But they never do and there is never any ‘or else’. Fulford wrote in February, 2012:


‘The group that claims to have started the American, French and Russian revolutions state they have issued a March 31st deadline to the committee of 300 [said to be part of the Rothschild control structure], according to their spokesman “Alexander Romanoff.” In addition, Prince Harry has been in touch with the group and has agreed to take over control of the British Royal family from Queen Elizabeth.’

Would this be the same Queen and royal family which, having failed to report to the local constabulary to say ‘it’s a fair cop, guv’ within Fulford deadline after deadline, somehow managed to appear day after day this month amid orgiastic mass public worship during the Diamond Jubilee rituals in which they were protected by enough troops, silly uniforms notwithstanding, to invade a country? I do believe it would.

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/2010-02/whitedragonroyal.jpg
‘Is that one of your white dragon thingies, young man?’

‘Yes sir, I am taking over from granny, sorry, Her Majesty.’

‘Don’t be silly – now go home to bed and you are having no tea, you have been a very naughty boy.’

http://philosophers-stone.co.uk/wordpress/2012/06/david-icke-newsletter-preview-embedded-in-human-dna/

PS - Can't argue with that article, with a little humour thrown in for good measure...:pound: :secret:

Big Fan of the 'attached Top' picture aswell - Lets see what we have here in 'Clockwise' order...


The 'Guru'
ET 'Saviors'
The 'Calvary' & of course...
The 'Duck'

Quack - Quack....:bolt:

[9eagle9]

There's no reason to imprison the sheep, who are safely imprisoned in their own minds, under someone elses control, buying into someone elses story, they've just set down the story that the cabal had previously fed to them and picked up the lighter, more positive aspect of it. The mean controllers will go away, and be replaced with nice ones.

I'd have to agree that Drakes followers are no threat to the ptb whatsoever.

"Yes some secret Dudley Do-right aspect of the DOD has been covertly building workcamps with cabal's funds to put the cabalists in. And how covert are these camps if people see them out in broad daylight."

People who have the clarity to see through this **** will be rounded up (or at least the attempt made) and the sheep will stand by without a peep because someone will tell them the clear minded are the cabalists. That's what they want to hear because they won't have these annoying people standing around telling them they are digging their own graves with their own stories ....and greed.

*************

The AWOBO's a new race developing right before our eyes.


This isn't about good and evil its about greed and decency and when any story appeals to a person's sense of greed (we're going to get YOUR gold back) , we are going to release a bunch of funds back (?) to you, we are going to execute those bad guys who put a limit to your credit card spending, we're going to slap the hands of those people who make you pay back what you borrowed on their terms, when you full well knew you were playing into the terms of a group of very corrupt people.

You slept with the devil now you want to abort the baby.

We ****ing knew it. Some of us woke up to that ****, and said I ain't playing the game anymore. Now that the game has ensnared the witless the witless want to draw arms and shoot all the other players not even realize they were just coaxed into a big game.

So you played the ptb game and took out a mortgage, and maxed out your credit cards, and bought a corporate vehicle with the lease renewable by the ptb.

"These guys have got to go, because I have to pay taxes"

Well quit ****ing paying the taxes then you dimwit.

You got in their game and then cried foul when you didn't like the rules of THEIR game which they determined because its THEIR game. You walked right into that game and you knew it when you signed on the dotted line.

Yes we ALL did that. But someone us "woke" up to the game.

Now you want some alien to come down and wipe out what is basically a universally known and neutral condition about energy. You get in the greed game there's energetic reciprocation, yes the ptb want's their return three fold (interest), but YOU KNEW THAT. Does your greed in any way pale in comparison to theirs?

At some point in the past some annoying pest such as myself attempted to tell you that but you went and got the mortgage, the car, the credit cards, the whole shebang and you whined when someone thing tried to curb you. Now suddenly its a whole new ballgame. You don't really 'owe' in spite of the fact you willfully signed a contract. Life is all about agreements and contracts made on the physical level and the energetic level and now you want to renege on an agreement that YOU made, without first understanding the nature of how you came to make that agreement in the first place. That you are ignorant to agreements.

No I don't want to understand how I made that agreement just shoot them all! No don't tell me anything that will self empower me, call down the little green men, and shoot them all!

You don't want to have the power to evaporate contracts you want someone else to be responsible for the contracts you made. You'd rather have random faceless people executed because you willfully do not want to take your power back and be responsible for the contracts you made.

And you have to ask why I don't respect you? Yes you do. And you still won't understand why I don't.

And you people think you should be 'responsible' for how the world's affairs are managed. Yes you'd dick-dack into yet another agreement or contract make by those who are far more clever than your dumb asses, the very same ilk that maneuvered your clueless asses into the previous set of agreements you don't want to take responsibility for. You have the power to evaporate your own assholery but NO.....let some off planet entity take care of my mess for me.

When all it takes is a few minutes of self reflection to unbind an agreement . You don't want to be responsible for your own agreements yet..I should trust you? I don't respect you, you're a proven re-neger, who is too lazy to figure out how you got yourself in this mess, too lazy to figure when the universe is wall papered with the means to rid yourself of these agreements, yet I should trust you? To decide in the world's fate?


Oh hell no, let's blow those nastly bastards off the face of the earth so we can hide the fact that we were too stupid to play their game, too lazy to figure out our role in that game, even as we plop ourselves down in another that is just like it.

Greed. That gold is coming back to us it was ours. Like hell it was , where did that gold come from. I'm not missing a metric ton of gold from under my mattress, if that gold is going back to where it came from its going back to the earth. The chasm from whence it came. The earth compells us to return to the vault which we have demonstrated we shoudn't have in our greedy grubby little hands.

Greed: "My ego craves attention".

Greed: "This makes me look like a swell person without having to go through all that self empowerment and self realization bull****. "

Greed: "I can have it all without responsibility or self management."

Lazy, greedy, self deceptive.

And you WONDER why I don't kiss your arse and make agreements with you.

Because you aren't responsible for them.

[StarDust]

To Stardust and Avocadess - One might "just be reporting" but in reporting you are supporting and that includes the "executions" component.

That is clearly your opinion and is 100% baseless in my reality. You are welcome to bury your head in the sand like an Ostrich, but that doesn't mean that the reporting and/or potential actions will go away. I didn't make any of this up or even suggest its potential as a solution. Yet you continue to project some pseudo form of moral superiority over others without any basis for doing so. Based on your point of view, anyone during WW2 that was reporting on Hitler would then be an automatic supporter of his evil ways. Well, I call that SUPER BS! I know you mean well and clearly do not support such measures, but don't think for a second that you can shoot the messenger in order to make the message and/or actions go away. There are many ways to make something change by shifting energies, but assigning false blame is not one of them!

In this instance you are JustPlainWrong!

[promezeus]

It's simple amazing how negative some people can be.
It certainly isn't difficult to discredit these people when they provide no proof. Still, if the shoe was on the other foot and you were Drake, would you out your sources? No.

We shall see... I'm not discrediting any these people since it would be too easy. I'm just following a story. Some of you guys go our your way to discredit these people like it gives you some power or you feel this need to warn people. All I want to say is SO WHAT.

If it's BS and I've listed to a bunch of nonsense, big freaking deal. No worse than listening to MSNBC, CNN or FOX News. Still, these people are doing an incredible job of just WAKING PEOPLE UP and I have no doubt at great risk to their well fare.

The only thing I worry about is if they are work for the Cabal and are collecting all the names of the people in the resistance for the Cabal to shove in FEMA camps. Still, I don't get that feeling at all.

FF

Kudos to you, foreverfan.

NOw that david icke has deposited his poopoo in with the naysayers, does it prove that he is a shape-shifting lizard whose soul should be sent to the central sun for refreshing ?

And does it also lend credence to the theory that him or other reptoid clones are posting often in this thread?

I suspect it does....

All humans with real souls can simply put these shape-shifters on ignore, like I have done and continue to do. It's the only tool we have, and it works quite well, and it makes you feel empowered. If they ever post anything remotely interesting, some human may quote it, in which case you can still see it there.

Power to the people (not reptoid clones)

[RMorgan]

Kudos to you, foreverfan.

NOw that david icke has deposited his poopoo in with the naysayers, does it prove that he is a shape-shifting lizard whose soul should be sent to the central sun for refreshing ?

And does it also lend credence to the theory that him or other reptoid clones are posting often in this thread?

I suspect it does....

All humans with real souls can simply put these shape-shifters on ignore, like I have done and continue to do. It's the only tool we have, and it works quite well, and it makes you feel empowered. If they ever post anything remotely interesting, some human may quote it, in which case you can still see it there.

Power to the people (not reptoid clones)

Yeah...Make sure to check under your bed for reptoid clones before going to sleep!

Don´t feed them after midnight and don´t let them get close to water as well.

http://tvcinemaemusica.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/gremlins2.jpg

They are everywhere!

Raf.

[9eagle9]

AWWWWW we're soo negative. Those people aren't making me feel good, my feel good bone isn't being stroked....yawr sooooooo negative. i don't get the warm fuzzies when I read certain evidential things so you are an evil reptoid mind stealer.

Not everyone is re-assuring me that someone is going to save me, yawr sooooooo negative.

No one is agreeing with me that Jesus is coming back in a ufo .....


Yawr soooooo negative.

How do people function who think the whole world is about what makes them feel good (positive) and what doesn't stroke the feel good bone (negative).

Waitress:Oh sorry you're steak will be a little late, the chef is a little back logged right now.

AWW my gawd I din't want to hear that YAWR so negative.

Grocer: Opps sorry all out of plums today.

OH MY GAWD yawr so negative.


Your fly is unzipped.

Negative!

Jesus isn't coming back in a UFO.

Soooo negative!

Someone isn't going to save you and deposit a metric ton of gold onto your front yard.

Negative, evil, reptoid!

Drake is a male duck.

Yawr soo negative.

Yer not making me feel good, you're all the devil reptoids spawn!!! Your not making me feel good so you must be burying your head in the sand!


Pedophilia makes pedophiles feel good.

Murder and rape make others feel goood.

These are not positive things so one must surmise that feeling good is not what constitutes positive.

When I got divorced that left me penniless, homeless, for years on end that was a positive thing.

When someone slapped me in the face and to quit whining about how I mindlessly was creating my own miserable conditions tand forced me to confront my own inate ability to make my environment for myself, that didn't make me feel good but it was a positive thing.

Are people EVER going to get over the 60's "if it feels good do it" programming?!!!

[LarryC]

<< AWWWWW we're soo negative. >>

Be as negative as you want. It doesn't impact my reality. If spending hours every day focusing on what you don't like and don't believe in makes you happy, go for it :)

[9eagle9]

This isn't about what I like , I'd like more than anything in the world for this to be true and someone is going to land and clean up all my ****, and release all my cares and hand me a trunk load of cash while swatting the bad guys on the wrist. Who would not like something like that

I'd like that just as much as the next person.

I unfortunately have been around the block a few times and can't really play in that sort of self indulgent prattle.

It's not what I believe, its what I know.

The difference in what would make me feel good and what is reality of the situation.

[gripreaper]

Besides this whole Drake garbage being on the one hand nonsense and distraction and on the other hand, a deeply flawed, human business as usual... each day we focus on it and/or anything like it, we lose another day of opportunity towards transformation of ourselves, because in the end, the only way our planet(s) sun and sector of the universe survives itself is that we transform ourselves.

If we do, we skate through... and do so deservedly. If we don't, the sun will burp and the burp will be aimed in our direction.

the quote above is from Bill Ryan.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?23176-The-Cry-of-Gaia

Wow justoneman, I never knew about the Gaia thread. And to think that was almost exactly one year ago. Kind of reminds me of what Dan Winter says about the grand experiment here on this planet, which is to have the Kundalini rise collectively and push through the speed of light.

It's ironic how sometimes this looks like a do or die proposition.

[RMorgan]

When I warned people about Hoagland and company Elenin fiasco, people told me I was being negative.

When I warned people about Steve Beckow and the neptune spaceship ride fiasco, people told me I was being negative as well.

This mass arrests stuff will soon be in the same bag as the above cited subjects. The fiasco bag.

I guess being called negative in internet forums sounds more like a compliment than an offense, in most cases.

So yes, I´m negative, but only in the sense that I negate believing in BS.

Raf.

[Hervé]

Yeah, right... be all positive and refuse to see any negative anywhere and be sure to repeat after me: "No,no, no, our government would never do this to us, you crazy 9-11 conspiracy theorizing nightmarer!" and also make sure that's not affecting your reality....

[NancyV]

Considering who the other "reptoid clones" are in this thread I feel lucky to be in such good company! :clap2:

When I read David Icke's comments early this morning I was happy to see that he had the sense to see through the idiocy and call this whole fiasco like it is...nonsensical. David Icke is not always correct either and I don't always agree with his assertions. But I don't make a habit of believing anyone. Just because I like someone and some of their ideas doesn't mean I buy into their words as truth.

Those of you who have bought into the scenario Drake, Wilcock, Fulford, Cobra et al are putting out are totally free to do so. I don't care what you believe and you have a right to play your games any way you choose. Do I respect that many of you supposed peace/love types are now either passively or actively in agreement with "extinguishing" the souls of the so called cabal and their minions? No way. I find it exquisitely ironic, hypocritical and detestable.

The excuses that you're "reporting" and not supporting are so thin as to be laughable. Those who are believing in Drake and are accepting even the THOUGHT that ET's who are "helping" will be extinguishing someone's soul (although I don't agree that it's possible) are as bad as the people who lived near the Nazi death camps and ignored it, pretending it wasn't going on. After hearing Drake laugh about what he says the ET's will do to those who won't "surrender" (by yesterday), would have immediately turned me off to him had I previously been a supporter.

But I am enjoying seeing a long held theory of mine be demonstrated as true. I have always contended that a majority of the most vocal self proclaimed spiritually advanced, peace/love new age types were at heart as vicious and violent as those they are constantly trying to educate about the values of peace and love. We are all human and we all have survival instincts. I can only hope that you new age spiritually inclined people who believe in positivity and love will now see that you're not so different from the "dark cabal" at heart ....because I sure as hell see that clearly.

You are willing to kill by proxy, and in a very vicious manner, those whom someone else will judge as evil. You don't even KNOW each of them is evil. You're just taking someone else's word for it, or some unknown ET's judgment, and letting them decide while continuing to support them.... just like the followers of Hitler who turned a blind eye and enabled him to slaughter millions of people of many different races. Of course this is all theoretical since none of this crap will happen with the Drake/ET/Fulford/Wilcock "plan". But it's still a lesson in learning who you are and what you will accept to further your illusions and delusions.

[9eagle9]

Well I haven't' surrendered to Drake's story and I'm still here in spite of the fact I'm a negative cabalistic reptoid mind stealer.

So are the rest of us negative reptoid mind stealers who aren't buying this crap.

We are own evidence I suppose.

Mind stealers have a way of knowing how minds are stolen, maybe that accounts for it

[Unified Serenity]

I also find it interesting that this "wipe out the bad guys" talk reminds me of all these alien visitors who have a particular appearance. They often are one race, one style types. I wonder if in the past they too had the opportunity to learn to embrace all views with respect but chose instead to wipe out all who opposed them and justified it under some reason of spiritually dead, evil cabal and now that thousands of years have passed, they have the society they love so much because everyone is the same from looks, diet, housing, jobs, spirituality and they are here to spread the joy they live under despite that millions of their kind were destroyed because .... whatever the excuse they embrace. They can never wash the evil deeds off their souls or those of their children. They live as such because they purged their world of any who did not embrace their world view and we see the same truth here on Avalon. I am very pleased to see the blatant hypocrisy and how easily they justify it.

[StarDust]

Considering who the other "reptoid clones" are in this thread I feel lucky to be in such good company! :clap2:

When I read David Icke's comments early this morning I was happy to see that he had the sense to see through the idiocy and call this whole fiasco like it is...nonsensical. David Icke is not always correct either and I don't always agree with his assertions. But I don't make a habit of believing anyone. Just because I like someone and some of their ideas doesn't mean I buy into their words as truth.

Those of you who have bought into the scenario Drake, Wilcock, Fulford, Cobra et al are putting out are totally free to do so. I don't care what you believe and you have a right to play your games any way you choose. Do I respect that many of you supposed peace/love types are now either passively or actively in agreement with "extinguishing" the souls of the so called cabal and their minions? No way. I find it exquisitely ironic, hypocritical and detestable.

The excuses that you're "reporting" and not supporting are so thin as to be laughable. Those who are believing in Drake and are accepting even the THOUGHT that ET's who are "helping" will be extinguishing someone's soul (although I don't agree that it's possible) are as bad as the people who lived near the Nazi death camps and ignored it, pretending it wasn't going on. After hearing Drake laugh about what he says the ET's will do to those who won't "surrender" (by yesterday), would have immediately turned me off to him had I previously been a supporter.

But I am enjoying seeing a long held theory of mine be demonstrated as true. I have always contended that a majority of the most vocal self proclaimed spiritually advanced, peace/love new age types were at heart as vicious and violent as those they are constantly trying to educate about the values of peace and love. We are all human and we all have survival instincts. I can only hope that you new age spiritually inclined people who believe in positivity and love will now see that you're not so different from the "dark cabal" at heart ....because I sure as hell see that clearly.

You are willing to kill by proxy, and in a very vicious manner, those whom someone else will judge as evil. You don't even KNOW each of them is evil. You're just taking someone else's word for it, or some unknown ET's judgment, and letting them decide while continuing to support them.... just like the followers of Hitler who turned a blind eye and enabled him to slaughter millions of people of many different races. Of course this is all theoretical since none of this crap will happen with the Drake/ET/Fulford/Wilcock "plan". But it's still a lesson in learning who you are and what you will accept to further your illusions and delusions.

So quick to assess judgement. However, your capacity to truly see others is limited by how you paint them in your minds eye and the filters that precede it.

[gripreaper]

You are willing to kill by proxy, and in a very vicious manner, those whom someone else will judge as evil. You don't even KNOW each of them is evil. You're just taking someone else's word for it, or some unknown ET's judgment, and letting them decide while continuing to support them.... just like the followers of Hitler who turned a blind eye and enabled him to slaughter millions of people of many different races. Of course this is all theoretical since none of this crap will happen with the Drake/ET/Fulford/Wilcock "plan". But it's still a lesson in learning who you are and what you will accept to further your illusions and delusions.

Yea but Nancy, the Council of the Great Central Sun, which is above the Evil Draconian's and the Good Pleidian's, has decreed that the game is up and that it is time to fold those bad source fragments back into source. Look, Cobra was sent here by the good Pleiadian's to fill us in on this plan, and these upper galactic councils have chosen Drake and Wilcock and Fulford as their messengers to bring the "plan" to us and make it palatable, so that we are able to accept polarity in the higher dimensions, and agree that we should continue to embrace polarity and divisiveness and murder and keep our attention on setting up the new meme to include all of the same aspects as the previous meme, and keep us distracted away from unity and dissolution of such meme's and notions. :rolleyes:

If the Social Memory Complex which is beaming into your psyche has not the good feed of galactic information then you might be under the influence of some kind of manipulation, so you need to have the correct linkup to your galactic core so that you can make sure that you can process the information and get to the adjunct which can give you the most balanced outcome and not be obfuscated with outliers which tend to cloud and cause perturbations in the source field and make it oscillate in ways which could be construed cognitively as being outside the vertical and horizontal alignments of the dotetrahedron of creation. Just wanted to be clear about that :p

We can't have people unifying and creating an intention so powerful for the future with compassion, love, wisdom and understanding, now can we? I mean, what if we weren't so distracted and we caught onto the fact that we have the abilities to move mountains and we just stopped feeding the vampires? Now that would not be good for business as usual. Any top executive would tell you that.

[the_vast_mystery]

I don't expect this post to change you or your opinion on anything, but I'd like to leave it here for you in case it might eventually be useful. :)
I really can't speak for more than myself but as I'm pretty sure I represent a type of person that has a lot more damage then the majority of the population I also serve as a sort of "worst case" example. So if you can solve the "Worst case scenario" everything else becomes much easier. But whether or not you even want to is your call. I just think hearing from a "worst case" might provide something of use to you. But yes, you're quite correct it's just my perspective.


Thank you for your perspective on the bruised psyche of many people here on Avalon.

Microcosm of the macrocosm, it isn't just here but rather this is a representation of the general first-world population. Everyone to some extent has their psyche broken when they enter here, there's no way for it not to happen at some point considering the culture. But the most important part is that not everyone is self-aware of their brokenness. People often hide their wounds so well that they won't even realize they have them and will confuse what they are easily if the subject is not broached with a lot of care. Psychology, even though parts of it were perverted to serve a controlling agenda, can tell you an awful lot about how to do those sorts of things. I'm by no means anyone with more than the barest understanding of it, so I really can't tell you anything other than what I know I need to do, which is read up on it much more and work on my oral/written presentation of arguments.


It is very evident that many here need to trust anything other than themselves to gain approval for their ideas.

I don't think you grasp the thrust of my example using Jesus. So I'm going to have to get a bit more complex. Let's start with a postulate I think the above seems to imply. That "The truth within ourselves is the only real thing." That's great, but how does that apply to the world? You're using the word I think in a way very very different from the majority of the population. This might be why you, I and others may be at odds with each other over this. When a lot of people (I know I did!) come into the first world, from a young age you're brought up to believe in the idea of truth as outside of yourself, your survival in every aspect of society literally depends on you believing in a truth outside of yourself. Truth is held outside of a person so that people can detect deception. Why? Because if the truth inside ourselves is all that matters then we'd still be under even more oppressive monarchies run by megalomaniacs. Psychopaths obviously believe fully in everything they say or do, their "truth" is the same as your "truth" and there is no way for you to say the truth inside is all that matters and not be hypocritical without acknowledging that the truth inside different people can be very different and even contradict everything you believe. This world is not uniform.

This includes people who adopt the believe that "The truth outside ourselves is all that matters" because that is a concept that exists as a belief within someone else. Their "Truth inside" is that "only the truth outside matters." You can try to show them something new, but to get around thousands of years of cultural survival programming is no easy task. You can't just expect someone to take a jump off a cliff on blind-faith alone, this world has done its level best to breed that kind of impulse out of just about every human being. The only ones who are willing to do that sort of thing often get played by hucksters or other malcontents and so they become living examples to the rest of the population that belief is foolish. If you want to show them otherwise you need to show how your belief not only makes your life better emotionally but translates into the outside world. Beliefs that do not affect the outer world will never move someone who's truth within is that "Only the truth without matters" and because you are contradicting their beliefs they will definitely get upset over it because as sad as it is humans are possessive over words. Words can influence thought, and so cultures jockey for the ability to define or redefine words so that they can influence not just their adherents but the general human population as well. In many cases this isn't even for bad reasons, sometimes it's just to win acceptance or repair a tarnished past image. (Wiccans trying to take back the word Witch for instance.) But I digress, since their "Truth" is something that is incompatible with your "truth" and everyone's "truth" needs to be equally true/valid to them then if a contradiction arises they will do their best to extinguish the competition because that disrupts the ability to maintain their own balance.

This is probably hopelessly foolish, but these things cannot be undone by simply revealing them for what they are. People persist in their beliefs every bit as hard as I'm sure you do in your "truth" and it is because we all have a need to feel that level of certainty in our conclusions that bridges need to be built. It may be entirely the opposite of how you're used to handling situations, but I'm starting to get the distinct feeling that if life does exist elsewhere that this Planet is the only one still operating so dysfunctionally and it does so because there are always ways for people to hide their dysfunction and believe what they will themselves to believe. Until that is literally removed by providing a bridge between "The truth within" and "The truth without" people will always persist in believing whichever truth is the least painful for them to accept even if it's still a dysfunctional truth that does not actually help them in the long run. It doesn't matter that it will actually harm them, the person involved does not see that, their perception is more clouded than anyone else. They need to literally be led out of where they were by someone (that they have grown to trust understands them) who can actually show them how to keep that same emotional quality of life (or better) while changing what they believe inside themselves.

I think we went over this in another thread and your response was that people should show a work-ethic towards finding their own truth and enlightenment. I'm sure that works in normal situations but the problem is that here people have a set of loaded choices presented to them. Any "truth" you offer is probably going to upset people greatly and they will ALWAYS choose what they perceive to be the least painful option. People who are more empathetic or have better ability to plan for the future and think ahead therefore need less convincing (as their calculation of pain includes factors that might actually make it less painful to hurt themselves more now for a brighter future), but since we're a population collectively drugged, lied to, cheated, etc. then to expect any kind of enthusiasm towards what you're advocating would make about as much sense as expecting people to get jubilant at the prospect of shooting themselves in the head. It goes against everything you learn when you get here, and no one is going to respect you if you immediately disrespect everything they've learned and cannot positively frame it and then add to what they know.


I'm not one of those people and as such I do not seek or want anyone's approval. As I've stated before and I'll state again, I'm here to share ideas and nothing more.

That's fine, but just be aware that you're going to get this same sort of response everywhere you do this. (although perhaps not articulated with this much detail.) If you're fine with that then that's cool. :) I just think there are ways you could be a lot more effective at sharing ideas. But to each their own.


If someone has an interesting idea, then I'll journey down that path, if not, then I head the other direction. I state my truth as I have discovered it through experience, understanding, intuitive knowing and messages from my home from afar and am willing to share a perspective. At no time have I ever stated that it was THE perspective; only that it's A perspective. This is why I emphatically state that if my message does not resonate with you then you are welcome to discard it and move to something that does.

To effectively share your perspective people need to be able to put themselves in your shoes. If your perspective includes things no one can even begin to relate to them they're not going to listen. But what's worse, because people have done exactly what you're doing, but from a dishonest intent to deceive and manipulate others people are always going to be on the defense when things like this appear. They cannot perceive intent, they cannot know that you're not lying, or that you're not a psychopath and because we really do have to deal with those here we literally have to cross-examine anything outlandish someone says just so that we can be sure they're not doing the same thing again. It's a survival mechanism, you're going to have about as much success at changing that as you will convincing people they don't need to eat, sleep or breathe (meaning even if they physically don't it's such a deeply ingrained behavior that deprogramming it could take aeons depending on how it's approached.)


What I find most fascinating is the number of people who gravitate to subjects that they are steadfastly opposed to, yet spend extraordinary amounts of time within.

It's not just conflict for conflict's sake. Debate is actually a useful way to get information out of people. Debate, just like science is a reductionist method to determining truth. You try to disprove everything someone says and if you cannot then whatever remains is as close to the genuine truth as we can know currently. The more you debate the more you can learn because over time you remove all of the things that could not be true until the only thing that is true remains. It's a roundabout approach and probably takes a lot longer than it should but it's just how things are done here as a matter of survival. If you don't pay respect to the necessity of these processes then no one else is going to respect yours. It worked on this planet for a long time, that may be because this planet was horribly dysfunctional but to survive in a dysfunctional world we cannot control people will become dysfunctional if they can find no other way to survive.

But the confrontation is actually a way of evaluating whether or not you are true or valid. It's how someone who holds truth outside themselves does it. They do it precisely because they know that their truth within can be affected/altered by the world without and that if they do not hold the truth outside themselves then they will be unable to change their beliefs and they will become mentally trapped if they happen upon a clever psychopath. Look at the political divides for instance, all that bitter partisanship is the product of damaged psyches who literally cannot stand to be proven wrong (it hurts them on an emotional level immensely) and to survive they pursue a Scorched Earth "Win at all costs" strategy to maintain their own illusion of correctness in their beliefs within. Someone who holds the truth completely outside of themselves however is free to admit they were wrong, as they never believed they were right to begin with. This allows them to detect deception and if they're lucky, help get some people out of those traps. It's just what (at least had before) worked.


As for proof of anything…what is the importance of any of it? If someone claimed to be Jesus Christ and pulled out his ID issued by GOD to prove it, then walked on water and pulled a chocolate bar out of his a$$, would it really matter to anyone anyway? If so, what would that impact be other than to be able to say you met Jesus Christ.

Oh, I'm actually quite happy you asked! :)
The reason Jesus if he existed would need to perform miracles is to demonstrate the bridge between the truth within and the truth without. If he can make a physical example by showing how his beliefs can say, heal broken bones as well as mend the psyche then that directly shows how the inner world and outer world are connected and gives people a path to walk from "Only the truth without matters" to "only the truth within matters." It would also allow him to directly demonstrate the relevancy of his truth by allowing others to put it to the test. If he did it respectfully and was willing to really slog it out he might even be able to convince the entire planet. But to do it, he'd first have to be willing to submit to the reductionist methodology for determining truth.

If he could defy the laws of physics, as well as understand the mind, mend the heart, etc. Then he demonstrates 100% actualization of belief as reality in a way that is universally relevant to everyone. Everyone has a physical body, everyone has physical needs. By showing them a permanent way to resolve any survival issues by allowing their "Truth within" to provide for their needs in the world without he will transcend people's survival issues by showing them that if they follow what he says bad things will not, in fact, happen to them. It's important not just to be an example himself, but to create a process others can follow and over a long period of time prove the validity of that process by basically educating people up to his level, like a school. Expecting people to reach his level by any other process contradicts how this world has shown us to survive. We are born, we get educated, and then we apply that education in the world around us to navigate it and find our meaning/satisfaction in life.

But even more important, by being that example and being willing to face even the psychopaths in our society who will try to destroy him, he also would show us how to properly survive. By appearing as a mundane human here to spread some good works, yes he will influence people's hearts but he's not ever going to transform the whole of the world. At best he'd get a few souls piecemeal who were lucky enough to hold on to what he showed them before the rest of society literally beat it out of them. Especially if people are stuck here in some kind of reincarnation loop, it's important for there to be a lasting example until (at least a majority) of people get out rather than expecting people will just figure it out on their own. People might normally do that everywhere else, but I question whether or not these societies ever have had such organized campaigns of lying/disinfo/etc pitched against them. We do here, and because there will be that constant pressure from a contingent of society who exists for no other reason than to confuse and control us through using that confusion. And people can be confused quite easily, all it takes is an example which disproves whatever they believed. It may not really shake them, but it will chip away at the firmness of what they believe and over time that represents a way to get into their heads and ultimately control them by offering a more correct explanation that can account for that example.

This, is why any "second coming" if it were ever to occur, has to be a literal one. (Versus a metaphor for something more abstract.) Because until there's someone on this Earth who can explain everything, to everyone, and make complete sense of everything then psychopaths will be able to keep on controlling us. If you believe in the Law of One, I think Ra mentioned that the harvests from this planet were quite low. This is probably why, because any time anyone tries to step up and really figure it out there are already plenty of others who know just how to disarm them. It doesn't matter if that person eventually escapes because they're so effective at that disarming that they can immediately make anything that person says irrelevant to the society at large. As well, with each successful disarming, they only grow better at how to do it.

Again, Jesus is the example. Whatever he really was, today he exists mostly as a mockery of what he originally sought to teach us and was adopted as a figurehead by fundamentalist religions which are based more on how to hate rather than how to love. It represents how psychopaths can twist anything to suit their agenda, even someone who (to us) appears perfect. All they had to do was wait until he left to destroy or corrupt all hard evidence of what he was originally here for, then slowly twist and manipulate his teachings and the people interested in following them until we're at where we are today. People don't notice very slow methodical changes over time, we don't have the ability to perceive with that much clarity right now.

I use Jesus as an example as he'd be the person most relevant to a majority of the world. If we're seriously talking about planning a literal example to use in today's world that's relevant to the entire planet there'd probably need to be more examples than just a "Jesus Christ." I really think Project Blue Beam, regardless of if it were ever real, represented something important. People need to have things appear not just as they are, but also to a degree as they expect them to be. If you totally defy everyone's expectations they may refuse to acknowledge you, because that "expectation" is the same to them as your "truth within."

Their truth within, just like the skeptics "only the truth without matters" truth within, must all be acknowledged simultaneously. If this sounds incredibly complicated and laborious, it is, and it's because ultimately someone has to bear the burden for a people who have been under the yoke for so long they literally do not know how to bear it themselves. Chastising them for this isn't going to help them anymore than chastising a paraplegic is going to help them walk. When someone suffers a debilitating injury it takes mountains of effort and resources to get them back to walking again and that's before we consider that if this person were to represent collective humanity that he'd be dealing with a circle of friends/family where 4% of them would be guaranteed to be trying their hardest to prevent him from ever walking again (Going to lengths as far as Kathy Bates in Misery) while with near perfect clarity appearing to the injured as caring friends/family.


As for the "experience" that some claim to have in spades, well, I'm of the school that you judge a tree by its fruit. And from where I'm standing all I can see are 1 dimensional descriptions of something resembling fruit and not the fruit itself. If and when, my computer screen starts oozing apple sauce, well, then I'll change my tune. In the interim, there has been nothing proven here on Avalon in any concrete form, other than the fact that some people are prolific writers.

In sum, I thank you for your thoughts but choose not to play the "Avalon Proof & Truth" game. In the end, it is all just words on a screen and nothing more from my perspective.

It's not just "The Avalon Truth game" it's a representation of how people learn things, adopt them as truth, apply them to the world, and change their beliefs in a first world sort of situation. It's not universally relevant but it does represent (I at least hope) the toughest audience you're going to have to face. So my hope is that if you're interested in spreading ideas you'd be interested in attempting to convince me as a way to test how your message is going to be accepted; enabling you to get much more effective at achieving your goal. :)

I'm willing to admit everything I've just said, could, in fact, be dead wrong. It's just what my own experience leads me to believe. This is, you could say, my "truth within" and if you want me to change you have to change that, because what's stopping change in the way you might want it to occur (dropping fear, adopting love, living from the heart, not needing outer-proofs or reasons for doing things) is precisely the belief that the things I think or feel now are necessary for my survival. If you can fully demonstrate in every way how they are not, I no longer can hold onto the belief and then ultimately I have no choice but to change.

I've been trying to figure out how to drop my own beliefs, and I've finally come to realize that I cannot do that on my own, and that I probably never will. Because unless the entire world around me changes (which seems highly unlikely) the only other way for those beliefs to become irrelevant is to have an example of something better (That appeals to my truth within) that I can somehow change myself into while the world around me stays exactly the same. I just can't buy anything else because there are too many examples (including ones I've been through myself, I've dealt with manipulation a lot in my life.) that exist today which show how horribly things can end if I do any of the above things.

Fear is not universally dispelled by love, because people can literally be taught to fear love or fear certain expressions of love. Okay, rant off. I hope it was informative at least. ^_^

[NancyV]

You are willing to kill by proxy, and in a very vicious manner, those whom someone else will judge as evil. You don't even KNOW each of them is evil. You're just taking someone else's word for it, or some unknown ET's judgment, and letting them decide while continuing to support them.... just like the followers of Hitler who turned a blind eye and enabled him to slaughter millions of people of many different races. Of course this is all theoretical since none of this crap will happen with the Drake/ET/Fulford/Wilcock "plan". But it's still a lesson in learning who you are and what you will accept to further your illusions and delusions.

Yea but Nancy, the Council of the Great Central Sun, which is above the Evil Draconian's and the Good Pleidian's, has decreed that the game is up and that it is time to fold those bad source fragments back into source. Look, Cobra was sent here by the good Pleiadian's to fill us in on this plan, and these upper galactic councils have chosen Drake and Wilcock and Fulford as their messengers to bring the "plan" to us and make it palatable, so that we are able to accept polarity in the higher dimensions, and agree that we should continue to embrace polarity and divisiveness and murder and keep our attention on setting up the new meme to include all of the same aspects as the previous meme, and keep us distracted away from unity and dissolution of such meme's and notions. :rolleyes:

If the Social Memory Complex which is beaming into your psyche has not the good feed of galactic information then you might be under the influence of some kind of manipulation, so you need to have the correct linkup to your galactic core so that you can make sure that you can process the information and get to the adjunct which can give you the most balanced outcome and not be obfuscated with outliers which tend to cloud and cause perturbations in the source field and make it oscillate in ways which could be construed cognitively as being outside the vertical and horizontal alignments of the dotetrahedron of creation. Just wanted to be clear about that :p

We can't have people unifying and creating an intention so powerful for the future with compassion, love, wisdom and understanding, now can we? I mean, what if we weren't so distracted and we caught onto the fact that we have the abilities to move mountains and we just stopped feeding the vampires? Now that would not be good for business as usual. Any top executive would tell you that.
You're so right! Thank you for reminding me! :rolleyes: :p

[the_vast_mystery]

Well I haven't' surrendered to Drake's story and I'm still here in spite of the fact I'm a negative cabalistic reptoid mind stealer.

So are the rest of us negative reptoid mind stealers who aren't buying this crap.

We are own evidence I suppose.

Mind stealers have a way of knowing how minds are stolen, maybe that accounts for it

What if I told you that the bolded was literally true? How hard would you laugh? ;p

[xbusymom]

could this be part of 'the plan'...

The U.S. Coast Guard has ended its search for a Brazilian-born multimillionaire whose fishing boat washed up on a south Florida beach earlier this week.

The Coast Guard said it called off the search for Guma Aguiar, the 35-year-old founder of a Texas oil and gas company that he sold for a reported $2.55 billion in 2006, late Thursday evening.

see the story here... http://news.yahoo.com/u-coast-guard-ends-search-missing-millionaire-143630930.html

[Hervé]

The following is something most people need to understand about the "cabal," criminals of any sorts and controllers which is something that "Drake," in spite of all his "training" in mysticism and occult teachings is completely missing (or not, depending on the real agenda he is on):


From: http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html


This came up as being prior to birth. I then checked if it was from a past life; the answer was, “No.” I then checked to see if it came in through the genetic hereditary line; the answer was, “Yes.”

It ended up going back to the great, great grandfather. The client was there in hyperspace reliving the hologram of event of the agreement of entrapment, and he saw his great, great grandfather's body being taken over through his agreement of initiation through a ritual, as he moved up the scale of the secret society as a 33 rd degree Freemason.

When one goes through initiation rituals within some of these secret societies, they do this using their conscious free will; they enter the game of these forces and become subjects to the creator of that game. They make powerful symbols that open dimensional doorways and invoke forces from the unseen world--this becomes a valid universal agreement that can be valid through time and space eternally.

The first to enter into the body is an apprentice entity, and with each degree, a more powerful entity takes over. By the time they reach the 20 th to 25 th degrees, their thoughts and actions are no longer their own thoughts and actions--they are being run and controlled by unseen forces. They will always try to justify their actions, and by the time they reach the 30 th to 33 rd degrees, this then becomes an overlay--a powerful force--that merges, holographically overlaying itself throughout the body and which can now totally run the body, down to a cellular level. The original spirit and soul have been entrapped within their own body, no longer able to control it.

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I once had a client on the table, he was a very big man, and these controllers had been interfering with him, I was going up line, so to speak and was four up, at the invader that was at the level controlling 50,000 and was reading him his rights to his freedom in this sector, when all of a sudden he breaks down crying his eyes out.

I asked, "why do you cry when I give you your freedom"!

This invading dimensional being was what I classified as a Draconian overlay, his comment was. "They will not let me go, they will entrap me like they did last time."

From that day on, a new agreement was added to the rights of their freedom and that is you have the rights to be aware of the game, so you are not entrapped by any beings higher or lower in this sector or any other sector or dimension.

[...]

Once an overlay has control, through the free will agreement that was given to it, not only does it have control of the body, but it also has control down the genetic line for about seven generations, as had occurred in this case.

The fun has just begun! I now call up the overlays, and as they surface, I start reading them their rights of their freedom. I start with the apprentice; he is the one in charge of that body. Then comes his controller; he is in charge of apprentices. Then the next controller; and then the “big boys” ... they can control up to a million humans!!!

Whenever I came across the controllers and asked if they were being controlled, I always got the same answer, “No.” When I asked what gave them the right to control those below, the answer is always similar, and that is, “We have the born rights.”

This is similar to the born-rights control on the physical by the blue bloods; the royal line of Titans, which were put here to control the planet.

It had taken about twenty minutes to remove this one; he was one of the highest controlling species that I am aware of in the inter-dimensional control game. He was one of the winged serpents--this species usually stays hidden as they control the Draconians, who in turn, control the Greys.

It took her body another five minutes to re-adjust back to its original self.

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We have the ability to turn the prison system around as "repeat offenders" have no control over their repeat crimes and many times you hear " I don't know why I did it or the voices in my head made me do it" We have hundreds of news paper articles where these other forces took control killing people and the body is doing the time for a dimensional crime.

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These beings come and take over, ‘party time, yee‐ha!’ But they’re leaving you to hold the bag. They jump out because they don’t want to take responsibility because human bodies are subject to pain and suffering. They’d rather jump in, have fun and leave you holding the bag. This is your free will and choice. If you choose to go out and get drunk, if you choose to go and get on the drugs, if you choose to open the doorways, then you’re choosing to be in their game. And you’re subject to laws of their game. Simple. Make changes.


In short, any mass murdering won't solve any problem, just make it worse since the real culprits would just jump ship/body and keep on going in their same old ways..

[RMorgan]

Well I haven't' surrendered to Drake's story and I'm still here in spite of the fact I'm a negative cabalistic reptoid mind stealer.

So are the rest of us negative reptoid mind stealers who aren't buying this crap.

We are own evidence I suppose.

Mind stealers have a way of knowing how minds are stolen, maybe that accounts for it

What if I told you that the bolded was literally true? How hard would you laugh? ;p

Well, in some cases, it´s true.

As an example, bank robbers have a way of knowing how banks are robbed, of course.

However, first hand personal experience is not always necessary to know deeply about any subject.

Using the bank robber metaphor, some cops, who never robbed a bank, know a lot about the subject because they have practiced the investigative skill to emulate/impersonate a bank robber´s mind.

Investigating any subject is pretty much like acting; just like a good actor is the one who have the skills to impersonate the persona of a character, the good investigator is the one who´s able to impersonate the mind of the investigated person.

So, your above statement is true sometimes, but not generally applicable.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Hervé]

If the Social Memory Complex which is beaming into your psyche has not the good feed of galactic information then you might be under the influence of some kind of manipulation, so you need to have the correct linkup to your galactic core so that you can make sure that you can process the information and get to the adjunct which can give you the most balanced outcome and not be obfuscated with outliers which tend to cloud and cause perturbations in the source field and make it oscillate in ways which could be construed cognitively as being outside the vertical and horizontal alignments of the dotetrahedron of creation. Just wanted to be clear about that :p


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:jester: My... gripreaper has been taken over by As'hiena Deanne... :jester:

[Fred Steeves]

could this be part of 'the plan'...

The U.S. Coast Guard has ended its search for a Brazilian-born multimillionaire whose fishing boat washed up on a south Florida beach earlier this week.

The Coast Guard said it called off the search for Guma Aguiar, the 35-year-old founder of a Texas oil and gas company that he sold for a reported $2.55 billion in 2006, late Thursday evening.

see the story here... http://news.yahoo.com/u-coast-guard-ends-search-missing-millionaire-143630930.html

Vessels get hijacked by drug runners quite ofter in the Caribbean or the Gulf of Mexico. They're attractive for a means into the States because of their legitimate registration. This sounds very typical, as once here, the boat is abandoned on the beach, and the bodies are long gone to the sharks. That's why most commercial fisherman who go well offshore are also well armed.

I would guess this scenario, before "The Plan".http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

Cheers,
Fred

[gripreaper]

If the Social Memory Complex which is beaming into your psyche has not the good feed of galactic information then you might be under the influence of some kind of manipulation, so you need to have the correct linkup to your galactic core so that you can make sure that you can process the information and get to the adjunct which can give you the most balanced outcome and not be obfuscated with outliers which tend to cloud and cause perturbations in the source field and make it oscillate in ways which could be construed cognitively as being outside the vertical and horizontal alignments of the dotetrahedron of creation. Just wanted to be clear about that :p


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:jester: My... gripreaper has been taken over by As'hiena Deanne... :jester:


How do I check for that? What if I have been taken over, how would I know?

[Avocadess]

People continue to speculate: Is all this Drake stuff for real? Wilcock? Cobra? Fulford? I have not been able to keep up with what all of these people have been saying as much as I would have liked to (and plan to finally get down to reading David Wilcock's latest blog today, though he wrote it over a week ago I think), so I am just going to speak here to what I KNOW:

I am VERY excited about how Drake has been mobilizing (so to speak) civilian militia across the country and probably inspiring it around the world -- for the good; and how he has talked to the American troops and also encouraged people to take stock of necessities that may be needed for several weeks as well as encouraged "community spirit."

On the other hand I am very pleased with the meditation that Cobra is encouraging (if not spearheading) for the People of the World to use our Power of Intention to free the world. That stuff is POWERFUL. This has been PROVEN -- and scientifically. It's not "wu-wu" fluff. IT WORKS.

There is a war on -- not only for our minds but for our emotions and spirit -- and it's a war pull to hold us down and beat us down further. Yet we have the power -- within us -- to break free from such oppressive non-material chains, and we can do that best TOGETHER. I don't know about you, but I believe in us...!!!

[Hervé]

If the Social Memory Complex which is beaming into your psyche has not the good feed of galactic information then you might be under the influence of some kind of manipulation, so you need to have the correct linkup to your galactic core so that you can make sure that you can process the information and get to the adjunct which can give you the most balanced outcome and not be obfuscated with outliers which tend to cloud and cause perturbations in the source field and make it oscillate in ways which could be construed cognitively as being outside the vertical and horizontal alignments of the dotetrahedron of creation. Just wanted to be clear about that :p


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:jester: My... gripreaper has been taken over by As'hiena Deanne... :jester:


How do I check for that? What if I have been taken over, how would I know?

Well. considering this is your 888th post which, according to Steve Richards' maths would mean triple infinity stuck in repeat cycles through time... may be a Jesuit exorcist would do?

[peace]

It's simple amazing how negative some people can be.
It certainly isn't difficult to discredit these people when they provide no proof. Still, if the shoe was on the other foot and you were Drake, would you out your sources? No.

We shall see... I'm not discrediting any of these people since it would be too easy. I'm just following a story. Some of you guys go our your way to discredit these people like it gives you some power or you feel this need to warn people. All I want to say is SO WHAT.

If it's BS and I've listed to a bunch of nonsense, big freaking deal. No worse than listening to MSNBC, CNN or FOX News. Still, these people are doing an incredible job of just WAKING PEOPLE UP and I have no doubt at great risk to their well fare.

The only thing I worry about is if they are work for the Cabal and are collecting all the names of the people in the resistance for the Cabal to shove in FEMA camps. Still, I don't get that feeling at all.

FF

i think the "so what?" for me is the fact that wilcock admitted to lying and covertly recording conversations with other whistleblowers.

doesn't seem like the kind of guy we should listen to.

no one is going anywhere, the fema thing is just something they are as a scare tactic because they know their entire story is a big lie.

[StarDust]

I don't expect this post to change you or your opinion on anything, but I'd like to leave it here for you in case it might eventually be useful. :)
I really can't speak for more than myself but as I'm pretty sure I represent a type of person that has a lot more damage then the majority of the population I also serve as a sort of "worst case" example. So if you can solve the "Worst case scenario" everything else becomes much easier. But whether or not you even want to is your call. I just think hearing from a "worst case" might provide something of use to you. But yes, you're quite correct it's just my perspective.

Thank you for taking the time to offer a thoughtful response.


Microcosm of the macrocosm, it isn't just here but rather this is a representation of the general first-world population. Everyone to some extent has their psyche broken when they enter here, there's no way for it not to happen at some point considering the culture. But the most important part is that not everyone is self-aware of their brokenness. People often hide their wounds so well that they won't even realize they have them and will confuse what they are easily if the subject is not broached with a lot of care. Psychology, even though parts of it were perverted to serve a controlling agenda, can tell you an awful lot about how to do those sorts of things. I'm by no means anyone with more than the barest understanding of it, so I really can't tell you anything other than what I know I need to do, which is read up on it much more and work on my oral/written presentation of arguments.

I don't think you grasp the thrust of my example using Jesus. So I'm going to have to get a bit more complex. Let's start with a postulate I think the above seems to imply. That "The truth within ourselves is the only real thing." That's great, but how does that apply to the world? You're using the word I think in a way very very different from the majority of the population. This might be why you, I and others may be at odds with each other over this. When a lot of people (I know I did!) come into the first world, from a young age you're brought up to believe in the idea of truth as outside of yourself, your survival in every aspect of society literally depends on you believing in a truth outside of yourself. Truth is held outside of a person so that people can detect deception. Why? Because if the truth inside ourselves is all that matters then we'd still be under even more oppressive monarchies run by megalomaniacs. Psychopaths obviously believe fully in everything they say or do, their "truth" is the same as your "truth" and there is no way for you to say the truth inside is all that matters and not be hypocritical without acknowledging that the truth inside different people can be very different and even contradict everything you believe. This world is not uniform.

Then, I consider myself fortunate. In this regard, my not being part of the traditional incarnational cycle is a both a benefit (from my perspective in terms of processing truth) and a handicap (from the perspective of understanding "human baggage"). This is not my process and I was free of the chains that you describe by early adulthood. Since then, everything of significance that I've encountered has directed me to look inward for answers.

The outward perspective of others is largely just that, a perspective, and little more from where I stand. IMO, truth is in the eye of the beholder with some that are commonly held by agreement and the vast majority being only truth to the individual. I accept this myriad of perception as the primary purpose for experience. It is Source expressing itself in infinite ways.


This includes people who adopt the believe that "The truth outside ourselves is all that matters" because that is a concept that exists as a belief within someone else. Their "Truth inside" is that "only the truth outside matters." You can try to show them something new, but to get around thousands of years of cultural survival programming is no easy task. You can't just expect someone to take a jump off a cliff on blind-faith alone, this world has done its level best to breed that kind of impulse out of just about every human being. The only ones who are willing to do that sort of thing often get played by hucksters or other malcontents and so they become living examples to the rest of the population that belief is foolish. If you want to show them otherwise you need to show how your belief not only makes your life better emotionally but translates into the outside world. Beliefs that do not affect the outer world will never move someone who's truth within is that "Only the truth without matters" and because you are contradicting their beliefs they will definitely get upset over it because as sad as it is humans are possessive over words. Words can influence thought, and so cultures jockey for the ability to define or redefine words so that they can influence not just their adherents but the general human population as well. In many cases this isn't even for bad reasons, sometimes it's just to win acceptance or repair a tarnished past image. (Wiccans trying to take back the word Witch for instance.) But I digress, since their "Truth" is something that is incompatible with your "truth" and everyone's "truth" needs to be equally true/valid to them then if a contradiction arises they will do their best to extinguish the competition because that disrupts the ability to maintain their own balance.

Again, we all have our own truths and I do not consider most of them to be "universal". Most are not and I don't have an issue with that. However, I don't see the need to express myself in ways that cator to those who seek truth externally of self. I'm not geared that way and feel no need to accommodate those who are. This is my free will of choice in doing so.


This is probably hopelessly foolish, but these things cannot be undone by simply revealing them for what they are. People persist in their beliefs every bit as hard as I'm sure you do in your "truth" and it is because we all have a need to feel that level of certainty in our conclusions that bridges need to be built. It may be entirely the opposite of how you're used to handling situations, but I'm starting to get the distinct feeling that if life does exist elsewhere that this Planet is the only one still operating so dysfunctionally and it does so because there are always ways for people to hide their dysfunction and believe what they will themselves to believe. Until that is literally removed by providing a bridge between "The truth within" and "The truth without" people will always persist in believing whichever truth is the least painful for them to accept even if it's still a dysfunctional truth that does not actually help them in the long run. It doesn't matter that it will actually harm them, the person involved does not see that, their perception is more clouded than anyone else. They need to literally be led out of where they were by someone (that they have grown to trust understands them) who can actually show them how to keep that same emotional quality of life (or better) while changing what they believe inside themselves.


I find that when things are presented for what they are, such as the study of of consciousness at the systemic level to be quite refreshing. It's unfortunate that others may not feel the same. There is something about interpreting a truth only to have your heart chakra sing to you that is beautifully simplistic. I have no desire to seek another way of discerning truth.

Consequently, I don't consider myself here to turn opinions or beliefs. Only to provide a different perspective. If it resonates with you then that may be cause for additional self expiration. If not, then you will learn what you need to learn, when you need to learn it, from somewhere else. I have never sought to be all things to all people. That is an impossible task to undertake.


I think we went over this in another thread and your response was that people should show a work-ethic towards finding their own truth and enlightenment. I'm sure that works in normal situations but the problem is that here people have a set of loaded choices presented to them. Any "truth" you offer is probably going to upset people greatly and they will ALWAYS choose what they perceive to be the least painful option. People who are more empathetic or have better ability to plan for the future and think ahead therefore need less convincing (as their calculation of pain includes factors that might actually make it less painful to hurt themselves more now for a brighter future), but since we're a population collectively drugged, lied to, cheated, etc. then to expect any kind of enthusiasm towards what you're advocating would make about as much sense as expecting people to get jubilant at the prospect of shooting themselves in the head. It goes against everything you learn when you get here, and no one is going to respect you if you immediately disrespect everything they've learned and cannot positively frame it and then add to what they know.

Yes, that is my sentiment. People are free to choose their own truths. Just because I present one aspect that I've discovered within does not make it universal. If people have an issue with this approach, then that is their cross to bare. I'm not here to comfort people and if I upset the apple cart, then so be it. I offer a perspective and nothing more. People are free to take or leave any aspect of it that does not resonate with them.


That's fine, but just be aware that you're going to get this same sort of response everywhere you do this. (although perhaps not articulated with this much detail.) If you're fine with that then that's cool. :) I just think there are ways you could be a lot more effective at sharing ideas. But to each their own.

That doesn't bother me in the least. If people want to react to something instead of spending time gravitating toward what works best for them, then who am I to say how they spend or waste their time. That's not my problem. I'm not here to win a popularity contest, I'm here to share ideas.


To effectively share your perspective people need to be able to put themselves in your shoes. If your perspective includes things no one can even begin to relate to them they're not going to listen. But what's worse, because people have done exactly what you're doing, but from a dishonest intent to deceive and manipulate others people are always going to be on the defense when things like this appear. They cannot perceive intent, they cannot know that you're not lying, or that you're not a psychopath and because we really do have to deal with those here we literally have to cross-examine anything outlandish someone says just so that we can be sure they're not doing the same thing again. It's a survival mechanism, you're going to have about as much success at changing that as you will convincing people they don't need to eat, sleep or breathe (meaning even if they physically don't it's such a deeply ingrained behavior that deprogramming it could take aeons depending on how it's approached.)

I doubt that most can effectively walk in my shoes; so no such goal has been set. I have no issues perceiving intent. In fact, it's quite easy by simply scanning energies. It's all about energy resonance. If it doesn't resonate for any reason, walk away. It's that simple. Instead, many on this forum would rather peer at dissonance like people watching a road side accident. It's curious behavior for sure. But again, who am I to judge how people spend or waste their time.


It's not just conflict for conflict's sake. Debate is actually a useful way to get information out of people. Debate, just like science is a reductionist method to determining truth. You try to disprove everything someone says and if you cannot then whatever remains is as close to the genuine truth as we can know currently. The more you debate the more you can learn because over time you remove all of the things that could not be true until the only thing that is true remains. It's a roundabout approach and probably takes a lot longer than it should but it's just how things are done here as a matter of survival. If you don't pay respect to the necessity of these processes then no one else is going to respect yours. It worked on this planet for a long time, that may be because this planet was horribly dysfunctional but to survive in a dysfunctional world we cannot control people will become dysfunctional if they can find no other way to survive.

This approach is foreign to me. This process becomes irrelevant when one seeks energy validation via resonance inside. I guess I see this approach as crude and unduly time consuming.


But the confrontation is actually a way of evaluating whether or not you are true or valid. It's how someone who holds truth outside themselves does it. They do it precisely because they know that their truth within can be affected/altered by the world without and that if they do not hold the truth outside themselves then they will be unable to change their beliefs and they will become mentally trapped if they happen upon a clever psychopath. Look at the political divides for instance, all that bitter partisanship is the product of damaged psyches who literally cannot stand to be proven wrong (it hurts them on an emotional level immensely) and to survive they pursue a Scorched Earth "Win at all costs" strategy to maintain their own illusion of correctness in their beliefs within. Someone who holds the truth completely outside of themselves however is free to admit they were wrong, as they never believed they were right to begin with. This allows them to detect deception and if they're lucky, help get some people out of those traps. It's just what (at least had before) worked.

I don't share this view. My truth within cannot be changed by external sources or others. It is all based on resonance. Once you can tune into it, there is nothing that can dissuade you from it.


Oh, I'm actually quite happy you asked! :)
The reason Jesus if he existed would need to perform miracles is to demonstrate the bridge between the truth within and the truth without. If he can make a physical example by showing how his beliefs can say, heal broken bones as well as mend the psyche then that directly shows how the inner world and outer world are connected and gives people a path to walk from "Only the truth without matters" to "only the truth within matters." It would also allow him to directly demonstrate the relevancy of his truth by allowing others to put it to the test. If he did it respectfully and was willing to really slog it out he might even be able to convince the entire planet. But to do it, he'd first have to be willing to submit to the reductionist methodology for determining truth.

If he could defy the laws of physics, as well as understand the mind, mend the heart, etc. Then he demonstrates 100% actualization of belief as reality in a way that is universally relevant to everyone. Everyone has a physical body, everyone has physical needs. By showing them a permanent way to resolve any survival issues by allowing their "Truth within" to provide for their needs in the world without he will transcend people's survival issues by showing them that if they follow what he says bad things will not, in fact, happen to them. It's important not just to be an example himself, but to create a process others can follow and over a long period of time prove the validity of that process by basically educating people up to his level, like a school. Expecting people to reach his level by any other process contradicts how this world has shown us to survive. We are born, we get educated, and then we apply that education in the world around us to navigate it and find our meaning/satisfaction in life.

But even more important, by being that example and being willing to face even the psychopaths in our society who will try to destroy him, he also would show us how to properly survive. By appearing as a mundane human here to spread some good works, yes he will influence people's hearts but he's not ever going to transform the whole of the world. At best he'd get a few souls piecemeal who were lucky enough to hold on to what he showed them before the rest of society literally beat it out of them. Especially if people are stuck here in some kind of reincarnation loop, it's important for there to be a lasting example until (at least a majority) of people get out rather than expecting people will just figure it out on their own. People might normally do that everywhere else, but I question whether or not these societies ever have had such organized campaigns of lying/disinfo/etc pitched against them. We do here, and because there will be that constant pressure from a contingent of society who exists for no other reason than to confuse and control us through using that confusion. And people can be confused quite easily, all it takes is an example which disproves whatever they believed. It may not really shake them, but it will chip away at the firmness of what they believe and over time that represents a way to get into their heads and ultimately control them by offering a more correct explanation that can account for that example.

That may be an idyllic situation, but I believe that story was acted out about 2,000 years ago and look where that lead humanity. This is the reason why there will be no return of a single individual to offer such insights. I believe that the one refered to as Jesus was asking people to be like him, not follow him. That's were a large part of this mess began. We have no need to repeat that mistake.


This, is why any "second coming" if it were ever to occur, has to be a literal one. (Versus a metaphor for something more abstract.) Because until there's someone on this Earth who can explain everything, to everyone, and make complete sense of everything then psychopaths will be able to keep on controlling us. If you believe in the Law of One, I think Ra mentioned that the harvests from this planet were quite low. This is probably why, because any time anyone tries to step up and really figure it out there are already plenty of others who know just how to disarm them. It doesn't matter if that person eventually escapes because they're so effective at that disarming that they can immediately make anything that person says irrelevant to the society at large. As well, with each successful disarming, they only grow better at how to do it.

Again, Jesus is the example. Whatever he really was, today he exists mostly as a mockery of what he originally sought to teach us and was adopted as a figurehead by fundamentalist religions which are based more on how to hate rather than how to love. It represents how psychopaths can twist anything to suit their agenda, even someone who (to us) appears perfect. All they had to do was wait until he left to destroy or corrupt all hard evidence of what he was originally here for, then slowly twist and manipulate his teachings and the people interested in following them until we're at where we are today. People don't notice very slow methodical changes over time, we don't have the ability to perceive with that much clarity right now.

I use Jesus as an example as he'd be the person most relevant to a majority of the world. If we're seriously talking about planning a literal example to use in today's world that's relevant to the entire planet there'd probably need to be more examples than just a "Jesus Christ." I really think Project Blue Beam, regardless of if it were ever real, represented something important. People need to have things appear not just as they are, but also to a degree as they expect them to be. If you totally defy everyone's expectations they may refuse to acknowledge you, because that "expectation" is the same to them as your "truth within."

You are welcome to that belief. I, however, do not share your view. I believe that if Jesus were to appear, it would further polarize the fundamentalists of every religion. The same could be said if Mohammed were to paper in Jesus' stead.

I should also note that I was not raised into any religious belief system, but was granted the freedom of choice to choose my own path one day if called to do so. But now that I am not blinded by religious indoctrination I can see how this is effecting some on this very thread. Their biblical world view is being shaken due to the possibility that war and struggle may exist beyond earth realm. This is why they are so quick to judge others even to the point of wishing for violent "earth changes". I guess they are willing to cling to stories in a book to comfort themselves against what is coming. So in that sense, if my vision of what I see coming causes discomfort in some, then so be it. But no one other than Source has the right to judge me for something that I am not a physically active part of.

As I've stated, I'm indifferent to these reports and only want to see Gaia's transformation unfold as it was told by the ancients.


Their truth within, just like the skeptics "only the truth without matters" truth within, must all be acknowledged simultaneously. If this sounds incredibly complicated and laborious, it is, and it's because ultimately someone has to bear the burden for a people who have been under the yoke for so long they literally do not know how to bear it themselves. Chastising them for this isn't going to help them anymore than chastising a paraplegic is going to help them walk. When someone suffers a debilitating injury it takes mountains of effort and resources to get them back to walking again and that's before we consider that if this person were to represent collective humanity that he'd be dealing with a circle of friends/family where 4% of them would be guaranteed to be trying their hardest to prevent him from ever walking again (Going to lengths as far as Kathy Bates in Misery) while with near perfect clarity appearing to the injured as caring friends/family.

Interesting perspective, but again unduly complicated compared to other means.


It's not just "The Avalon Truth game" it's a representation of how people learn things, adopt them as truth, apply them to the world, and change their beliefs in a first world sort of situation. It's not universally relevant but it does represent (I at least hope) the toughest audience you're going to have to face. So my hope is that if you're interested in spreading ideas you'd be interested in attempting to convince me as a way to test how your message is going to be accepted; enabling you to get much more effective at achieving your goal. :)

Thank you for the insight. I guess part of it for me is not having been a part of the incarnational loop. I admit that what comes as second nature to me is not so for most others.


I'm willing to admit everything I've just said, could, in fact, be dead wrong. It's just what my own experience leads me to believe. This is, you could say, my "truth within" and if you want me to change you have to change that, because what's stopping change in the way you might want it to occur (dropping fear, adopting love, living from the heart, not needing outer-proofs or reasons for doing things) is precisely the belief that the things I think or feel now are necessary for my survival. If you can fully demonstrate in every way how they are not, I no longer can hold onto the belief and then ultimately I have no choice but to change.

There is nothing wrong with what you said. It is your truth and perspective and I respect that. I acknowledge that it is the truth you require to move your own proverbial ball forward within your experience. I guess it's hard to understand why people can't do the same in return. The propensity to fight over nothing on this plane of existence is mind boggling.


I've been trying to figure out how to drop my own beliefs, and I've finally come to realize that I cannot do that on my own, and that I probably never will. Because unless the entire world around me changes (which seems highly unlikely) the only other way for those beliefs to become irrelevant is to have an example of something better (That appeals to my truth within) that I can somehow change myself into while the world around me stays exactly the same. I just can't buy anything else because there are too many examples (including ones I've been through myself, I've dealt with manipulation a lot in my life.) that exist today which show how horribly things can end if I do any of the above things.

I don't believe that there is ever a reason to drop one's beliefs. Only to modify them as needed to perfect your own experience. As for everyone else, who cares what they think as long as you don't intentionally harm another or knowingly infringe upon the free will of another. This is why it's so easy to rebuff most of the quips here. Never take it personally because at the end of the day these are only words on a screen and NOBODY, I don't care who you are knows the real you and how you conduct yourself in the world and consequently what fruit you bare.


Fear is not universally dispelled by love, because people can literally be taught to fear love or fear certain expressions of love. Okay, rant off. I hope it was informative at least. ^_^

Yes, very informative and thank you again for taking the time to provide such a well thought out response.

[foreverfan]

People continue to speculate: Is all this Drake stuff for real? Wilcock? Cobra? Fulford? I have not been able to keep up with what all of these people have been saying as much as I would have liked to (and plan to finally get down to reading David Wilcock's latest blog today, though he wrote it over a week ago I think), so I am just going to speak here to what I KNOW:

I am VERY excited about how Drake has been mobilizing (so to speak) civilian militia across the country and probably inspiring it around the world -- for the good; and how he has talked to the American troops and also encouraged people to take stock of necessities that may be needed for several weeks as well as encouraged "community spirit."

On the other hand I am very pleased with the meditation that Cobra is encouraging (if not spearheading) for the People of the World to use our Power of Intention to free the world. That stuff is POWERFUL. This has been PROVEN -- and scientifically. It's not "wu-wu" fluff. IT WORKS.

There is a war on -- not only for our minds but for our emotions and spirit -- and it's a war pull to hold us down and beat us down further. Yet we have the power -- within us -- to break free from such oppressive non-material chains, and we can do that best TOGETHER. I don't know about you, but I believe in us...!!!

Good lord... a positive post.

http://www.disclose.tv/imageCache/Buddy_Jesus__39317.jpg


Saw this on Sabrina's thread... LOL

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[Billy]

I am not meaning to go off topic here but a few of the recent comments about the soul has reminded me of the Hindu story of Hanuman battling the Demi God Ravana who could not be destroyed.
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Hanuman later found out the secret of Ravana's imortality. His soul was not with his body but kept in a secret place in the underworld seperated from the body.
The container that Hanuman holds is the soul of Ravana, He is returning the soul to Ravana to enable him to be defeated.


Read the story here. Just click on the next number to follow the story.
http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/ramayana/1194

http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/ramayana/1195

http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/ramayana/1196

I sometimes wonder if the Cabal have sold their souls and are trapped here.

Peace

BillyJi, The way I learned the Ramayana, in the end of the story about Ram, Sita, Hanuman and Ravanah (aka Ravan) the Hindu scriptures say that as it turned out Ravanah was one of Ram's greatest devotees -- because he never could get Ram (aka Rama) off of his mind. He was effectively "meditating" on Ram at all times.

It's an interesting thing to think about. I personally have come to the conclusion, (and I certainly could be wrong), that even the worst of the worst have a way to loop around back to the Light of Love and Heart. I'm a cock-eyed optimist, I know -- and I don't mean it could happen within just one lifetime, but in the whole grand and long-term scheme of things.


I also am an optimist Avocadess, Maybe the Cabal require assistance in regathering their souls to allow them to move on.

Peace

Exactly the opportunity we have as humanity and what could resolve a conflict in this tiny local region of this outpost in the Milky Way... a conflict that some folks are of the opinion has gone on for hundreds of thousands of years... but an opportunity which could slip away because some supposed mystery school graduate wanna be s think they know best as to the course humanity should take - idiocy.

Thank You, Peace... your Avatar fits you well.

may you find peace in your hearts





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I just spent 30mins replying, I lost it all apart from the last line.
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In short, An eye for an eye makes us all blind.

Peace

[foreverfan]

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[foreverfan]

Illuminati 'Kingpin' Shoots Himself Before Being Taken To Prison; Have The NWO Mass Arrests Begun In Earnest?

NICOSIA, Cyprus — Former Prime Minister Adrian Nastase of Romania shot and wounded himself on Wednesday, apparently in a suicide attempt, hours after the country’s Supreme Court ruled he must serve a two-year sentence for corruption.

Mr. Nastase is the most senior Romanian politician to be jailed since the overthrow of Communism in 1989.

The court’s decision shocked Romania, a poor country where senior politicians have long been seen as above the law. Analysts hailed it as a sign of political maturity in a nation struggling to shed a culture of graft and lawlessness that was honed during decades of Communist rule.

Mr. Nastase, who will turn 62 on Friday, had denied any wrongdoing and insisted that the case was politically motivated.

He had appealed his March 30 sentence after he was convicted of illegally raising $2 million for his failed presidential campaign in 2004 by drawing from the profits of an event organized by a state agency. Mr. Nastase was prime minister in a leftist government from 2000 to 2004 and before that was foreign minister.

Read more @ www.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/world/europe/romanian-ex-premier-adrian-nastase-shoots-and-wounds-himself.html

The most irritating public disclosures were during the conference held by Gregorian Bivolaru in Paris, where he courageously disclosed high secrets about the world conspiracy that the Freemasons have been plotting for years under high governmental protection – particularly in the US (where by no accident, secret symbols are depicted for example on the 1dollar banknote).

Freemasons consider Gregorian Bivolaru as a JAN VAN HELSING of Romania, who disturbs them more and more with his public disclosures of “terrifying” secrets that only the top of Freemasons know. This is why the Masons secretly hired the “brother” Adrian Nastase, Freemason well known in the circles of power in Romania (having a high Freemason degree). By using his advantage of power as prime minister, he was ordered to “silence” Bivolaru and to have him arrested, and also to destroy MISA. The Freemasons promised in return to fully support him to win elections and to become President of Romania.

Soon after this agreement with the USA Freemasonry, Adrian Nastase secretly ordered the Romanian Police and the Prosecutor’s Office to start the biggest action in the last 15 years in Romania, which they named Operation “Christ”. Suddenly, at Adrian Nastase’s sign, after years of peace and harmony, the authorities started aggressive actions against yogis. They watched them closely, harassed and investigated them and even succeeded to arrest guru Bivolaru for a few days, for some strange, unsupported reasons. During the police’s forceful search there have been innumerable abuses and illegal treatment against many yogis, who were robbed of their goods, without any reports, goods that were never returned. Most Romanians do not know the yogis suffering and troubles caused by the Freemasons and A. Nastase …

[gripreaper]

This is what this thread feels like to me

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[aranuk]

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What a man ! He talks truth. Straight from the heart.

Stan

[gripreaper]

Semjase from Plejaran wants to chime in now:

Gentle people of the earth.

The entity naming itself COBRA is not associated with the Plejaran fleet, the Andromeda Council, the Arcturian Initiative, or any non-human race other than those known as the Gizeh Intelligence, a negative faction of Lyran descent.

COBRA is a signifier for: Clandestine Operative Bafath Regional Agent. It is neither male nor female. It is a synthetic located in Montreal, Canada.

In the coming weeks and months, many such entities proposing to be of the light and against the Collective Cabal will attempt to lead you astray. They will attempt to make you believe the benevolent races, your brothers and sisters from the stars, are the true dark ones. They will attempt to trick you into following the Priory of Dracos, to enslave you, clone you, and devour your flesh and torture your soul. Look to your heart of hearts and ask: does this entity resonate with Source?

The entity known as Drake is not associated with the Pentagon or Plejarans. We are not “impatient” for “mass arrests.” There was never any such plan after a similar plan was defeated by your political leaders and banking kings many years ago. Our plans for the removal of the Collective Cabal will be under way in a different manner which does not involve violence. We have offered re-location to a third density moon that can sustain human and Draco-Hydra life. Many have already accepted this alternative.

Look to the skies, gentle people. We are there. Open your eyes and hearts and you will know that you are not alone. You were never alone. We are family.

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2293/446/Message_From_Semjase_About_COBRA.html

Just more updates, clarifications...AND MORE!!!! This probably qualifies in the "and More" category.

[the_vast_mystery]

Then, I consider myself fortunate. In this regard, my not being part of the traditional incarnational cycle is a both a benefit (from my perspective in terms of processing truth) and a handicap (from the perspective of understanding "human baggage"). This is not my process and I was free of the chains that you describe by early adulthood. Since then, everything of significance that I've encountered has directed me to look inward for answers.

The outward perspective of others is largely just that, a perspective, and little more from where I stand. IMO, truth is in the eye of the beholder with some that are commonly held by agreement and the vast majority being only truth to the individual. I accept this myriad of perception as the primary purpose for experience. It is Source expressing itself in infinite ways.

If you can't fully understand human baggage you won't be able to handle it, and it'll literally all come tumbling down on top of you the moment you try, just like opening a suitcase accidentally packed too tightly. ^_^;; Your advantage enables you to perhaps see things more clearly "as they were originally intended to be" I make this distinction in language so as to separate "Things as they are" because depending on who you ask "Things as they are" is easily conflated mentally with "Things as I feel they should be." Which is minced with a dash of personal ego, while "things as they were originally intended to be" is a more accurate representation of what you're trying to do. Get the planet back on-balance. The language used is so very important and it's the first step to avoiding conflict by allowing people to keep their own definitions while still expressing yourself.

Now that we've crossed over to language I think you need to consider the use of the word "truth." If you want to stick to it, you're going to have a very long, very hard battle to define that word as you know it and enforce that definition among the general population. Yes, it has to at first be enforced because many will not want to agree to what you have to say unless they decide they like you or what you say sounds just like something someone else they like said. Social pressure has to be applied to some extent to get people to line up their definitions with yours. Even then, it doesn't always work because some groups find specific necessity in their definitions. Wiccans may be taking back the word "Witch" but Evangelical Christians for instance, are never going to accept that because their culture's survival depends on requiring certain words mean certain things and one of those is "witch" another would be "Lucifer" and every -stem variation thereof, and another would be "Christ" with its multitudes of variations thereof. This is important because even with the dictionary as a primer words carry many meanings that are individual and not easily accessed without getting to know a person or a culture.

In many cases people do not understand themselves enough to even give you a clear answer. "Detective Work" is always required to some extent, I have to do a lot of it to even keep a handle on my own thoughts as I eventually realized my conscious mind does not actually know "why" I make decisions, it knows why I decide "not" to do something but not why I decide to do something proactively. So introspection using only one's thinking is an illusion since the conscious is just the tip of the iceberg, instead I had to treat my mind as if it was dishonest with me and then I was able to suss out what most likely I was actually intending, thinking, or feeling at a given moment. These are still just best guesses, but they're guesses made through a process of figuring things out that has worked remarkably well at figuring out who's lying and who's not. The important thing to note here, my conscious is not actually dishonest because I'm sure it doesn't intend to make data unavailable for my inspection intentionally to harm or confuse me. But, it does still obscure things purposefully, and regardless of intent by applying a process meant to be used to detect people doing that same act with bad intent, I can figure out what has been obscured from my perception regardless of if it was done in good or bad intent.

The outer perspective is the only thing most of us see, it's an interface we literally cannot turn off or adjust. It is forever there, forever stimulating, motivating and pressuring us. We pay attention to it precisely because no matter what we say or do it does not go away. Sure you could try killing yourself if you really wanted it to go away, but this process is usually very painful, and our society has already loaded up fear the most on the subject of Death so its social acceptability is at rock bottom. People will perceive you as crazy for not acknowledging the things that persistently exist outside yourself precisely because they always can affect you as long as you have a body...and if you don't have a body? Well, you're probably not here in any way where we could communicate with you clearly so it's not like it would make a difference. You won't dispel fear of death without a lot of work, but for a skeptic to deem the outside world irrelevant then first it'd need to consistently not effect you. Knives, guns, etc would all need to be rendered irrelevant.


Again, we all have our own truths and I do not consider most of them to be "universal". Most are not and I don't have an issue with that. However, I don't see the need to express myself in ways that cator to those who seek truth externally of self. I'm not geared that way and feel no need to accommodate those who are. This is my free will of choice in doing so.

It certainly is your prerogative. However I think that if you're going to ever get enough people to do anything differently you're going to have to give in to at least some of their demands. You may feel you don't need to cater to people not like yourself but what you don't yet get is that if you do not get near the whole of humanity in one swoop enough people exist to prevent the others from leaving. Like I said, one or two prisoners may escape but they never threaten the safety of the jail because there are already society-wide mechanisms in place to disarm or discredit anything said if it does not fall entirely beyond the range of any establishment to offer an explanation more believable. It works so well that even when you remove the jailers the other "prisoners" do all the work their former masters did for them.

Many, but not all people believe truth must be universal. If you want to stick to the word truth you can try adding a qualifying adjective. "Personal Truth" might work for instance. Because when you say "The Truth" it conjures up an image of an absolute immutable stone tablet much like Moses' ten commandments. An absolute unalterable decree from an infallible source that will last for eternity exactly how it is. This is just a perception, but these are the sorts of perceptions you will have to deal with if you're here to do anything more than just make yourself feel better about trying your hardest. People here though view that sort of thing as patronizing (insulting), because while you may want to help, by refusing to acknowledge the kind of help people need (because here, specifics matter very much) or why they need it (past trauma) you demonstrate very little understanding of what they are going through. You might be able to know exactly how they feel or what they're going through, but if the other person does not recognize that they are going to fight you because of what you (seem) to be doing, which is trying to manipulate them against their will.

The hostility is precisely because of the misunderstanding created when they can't understand you or your POV and is why "catering" to some extent is required. Not in all cases or all ways, compromise is itself an artform and one I am still trying to figure out as I try to compromise with myself to figure out just who I authentically am, and what my most authentic self-expression is.


I find that when things are presented for what they are, such as the study of of consciousness at the systemic level to be quite refreshing. It's unfortunate that others may not feel the same. There is something about interpreting a truth only to have your heart chakra sing to you that is beautifully simplistic. I have no desire to seek another way of discerning truth.

Be prepared then for the day you wake up to realize you just committed genocide unnecessarily because someone else lied to you for years on end. That may be a hyperbolic example but even people who can read intent perfectly can be fooled by psychopaths. They believe everything they say perfectly. Living entirely in the heart makes you vulnerable to those sorts of people. I don't think anyone should give up caring or wanting to live from the heart but a way to live simultaneously in heart and mind is required to both be authentic and prevent deception. You should take your own path of course, but I just want to make sure you're aware of what the risks are. Because especially if you are who you say you are, you WILL be tested like that and you may never even know it until it's too late.


Consequently, I don't consider myself here to turn opinions or beliefs. Only to provide a different perspective. If it resonates with you then that may be cause for additional self expiration. If not, then you will learn what you need to learn, when you need to learn it, from somewhere else. I have never sought to be all things to all people. That is an impossible task to undertake.

Things resonate based on feeling, feeling is emotion, emotion is based on personal perception, perception can be distorted via deception, thus emotions can lie to you as well. Not in the way you might think, what you feel is most certainly real. The lie though is "why" you're having that feeling, it's rather easy to confuse people like that. You can confuse them by making their acceptance or nonacceptance of your explanation effect their chances of survival. Survival isn't just physical survival either, but the entire Maslow's hierarchy of needs. That's an important one, access to all of those things on the chart are ways to control a person because they're all things we need to achieve our full authentic potential and a great many of them depend on things entirely outside our control. Food, water and shelter are one, but sex, friendship and a sense of belonging are others. Your "survival" as a human requires some way of achieving most if not all of those things. So even if you're 100% sure of what your emotions mean, society at large can simply ostracize you and your viewpoint for long enough that you eventually have no choice but to accept it if you wish to remain on planet. It's quite brutal but it works.

First they get you to lie to others to fit in, then lie to yourself so that you forget you're lying to fit in. Once they do it long enough and all the person involved will remember is "This is what I have to do" and they will resist change so long as change only brings pain/suffering. Finally, they'll make an association and adopt the belief that "This is how I authentically am, I don't need to change because I am happiest like this." It isn't how they might actually be happiest, but if they never know of anything consciously other than "If I do anything else it hurts" they will adopt beliefs to support their desire to not get hurt. Anyone who can get hurt, is vulnerable to some kind of manipulation like this.

Case in point, I had to change a lot of my mannerisms and methods of dress and communication just so that I would appeal to women. I had to do this because if I ever wanted to have companionship I realized society's expectations of me and that I had to find a way to meet them adequately in some fashion or it would deny me any real loving kinship in this life. I've still got a long way to go but basically my choices were precisely "die lonely and insane" or "give in to some of what people want." When you regularly get faced with those situations it makes you realize that to a lot of people appearances are very important. So if anything you want or need in this world requires other people to want to follow you then you'll just have to do it. It's not a matter of moralizing shoulds, but simply what people will do.


Yes, that is my sentiment. People are free to choose their own truths. Just because I present one aspect that I've discovered within does not make it universal. If people have an issue with this approach, then that is their cross to bare. I'm not here to comfort people and if I upset the apple cart, then so be it. I offer a perspective and nothing more. People are free to take or leave any aspect of it that does not resonate with them.

Then you're going to run into the same problems as everyone else. You'll come here, give it what you feel or think is your all, and then be severely disappointed when (if you manage to achieve any positive progress with any human or group) that after you die everything you've done to "help" anyone is washed away and perverted by society at large. You'll come back, over and over and over again hoping to "get it right" only to fail to see entirely why you never could "get it right" and that's because you refused to acknowledge anyone or anything outside of your "self" as true. You can't just believe in your "truth within," you have to believe in everyone's "truth within" and that includes the people who believe "The truth is out there." Otherwise dysfunctional and destructive behavior patterns will eventually destroy or re-purpose everything you put forth to support the status quo. Everyone has to like you and like what you have to say otherwise the ones who don't will make it an explicit purpose of theirs to mangle your legacy.


That doesn't bother me in the least. If people want to react to something instead of spending time gravitating toward what works best for them, then who am I to say how they spend or waste their time. That's not my problem. I'm not here to win a popularity contest, I'm here to share ideas.

"What works best for me" can be destroying other people I hate. "What works best" is synonymous in meaning with "What is least painful" or "What is most pleasurable" and all of those can be filled with destructive and dysfunctional things. You seem to be under the impression that everyone likes what you like or will enjoy what you enjoy. Many many people legitimately seek enjoyment in dysfunction, pain and devastation. They may hate it and want to escape it inwardly, but be trapped in situations that permanently prevent the honest self-exploration needed for them to find something better. When being different can cost you everything people aren't prone to be authentically as they are 100% of the time, especially not with themselves. (Since they need to feel authentic even if they're not being authentic, it's why self-deception is so attractive, it lets you forget that part.)


I doubt that most can effectively walk in my shoes; so no such goal has been set. I have no issues perceiving intent. In fact, it's quite easy by simply scanning energies. It's all about energy resonance. If it doesn't resonate for any reason, walk away. It's that simple. Instead, many on this forum would rather peer at dissonance like people watching a road side accident. It's curious behavior for sure. But again, who am I to judge how people spend or waste their time.

Well if you have no goal then I wish you the best. Perhaps you're "just visiting" then. But if you really care about literally anything other than just being yourself at all costs (even if it kills you) this world will do nothing but frustrate the pants off of you. :)


This approach is foreign to me. This process becomes irrelevant when one seeks energy validation via resonance inside. I guess I see this approach as crude and unduly time consuming.

It's crude yes, but necessary due to psychopathology. The worst kinds of psychopaths basically have no bearing on any "Truth" beyond "what I want to do right now" and because of that they always register as "100% authentic" because their most authentic form of self-expression is doing absolutely whatever they want, wherever they want, whenever they want, to whomever they want. You cannot read their energy that way because they literally are incapable (even at a physical level, MRIs confirm this) of perceiving any negativity or "hostile intent" in themselves or anything they do, only in other people. At least that's what I keep hearing from anyone I know who "read people" regularly.


I don't share this view. My truth within cannot be changed by external sources or others. It is all based on resonance. Once you can tune into it, there is nothing that can dissuade you from it.

I've actually tapped into this, and can confirm at least for myself, yes, yes you can, quite strongly. All it requires is playing on survival drama issues that force you back into the box of disbelief. I cannot "stand firm in my own truth" because everything about how I was raised and who I became depended on being able to disown anything I said or did which fell outside of acceptable social norms. If I was not able to do this then if I stepped too far out of line I'd have to battle society at large to gain any acceptance whatsoever. Civil Rights, LGBT rights, look to those fights, that's the sort of battle faced by anyone who wants to publicly change how this world perceives them. It can be done, but it's very difficult and takes sustained effort over a very long generational period.

I don't enter into any conflict I'm not sure I can come out of unscathed. As such I am incapable of holding any belief I cannot outwardly prove to others; doing anything else is to deny how progress is made in this world. If I want to believe something and communicate that belief to any other person, I must be ready to consider entering into a battle over that belief. Because if anything I say or do contradicts any other person I run the risk of inciting them to make my life miserable just because of their damaged psyche. Science you could say is an "Easy out" because of how it relies on the outside world to make its proofs but it's quite useful (although just one part of any overall solution that would be needed to help the population.)


You are welcome to that belief. I, however, do not share your view. I believe that if Jesus were to appear, it would further polarize the fundamentalists of every religion. The same could be said if Mohammed were to paper in Jesus' stead.

It would depend on how it was handled really. The way to make it work is to present a picture of Jesus so appealing that everyone ignores the parts they don't like because there's so much of what they want. But in getting the Jesus they want they eventually must accept the parts they don't like. It's a sneaky way of doing it, but again, here that stuff works. Of course it has to be consistent and authentic, but I'm sure enough people would eventually say, stop hating gays or lesbians if Jesus himself explained it to them. Of course their acceptance of him as Jesus will depend on him presenting himself to them in a likeable way.

I think to do it right you'd need to create some sort of algorithim to figure it out, since you have to appear to someone as just the right combination of "how I want you to be" and "how you really are."


I should also note that I was not raised into any religious belief system, but was granted the freedom of choice to choose my own path one day if called to do so. But now that I am not blinded by religious indoctrination I can see how this is effecting some on this very thread. Their biblical world view is being shaken due to the possibility that war and struggle may exist beyond earth realm. This is why they are so quick to judge others even to the point of wishing for violent "earth changes". I guess they are willing to cling to stories in a book to comfort themselves against what is coming. So in that sense, if my vision of what I see coming causes discomfort in some, then so be it. But no one other than Source has the right to judge me for something that I am not a physically active part of.

Well as long as you're ready to accept that society will still judge you, condemn you, and if necessary even torture you horribly for what you simply appear to be then that's fine. But as long as you give people a choice to "cling to stories in a book" they will if it's the most comforting option. It's just human nature. (The only difference being that each person determines what is comforting and what is not individually.)


As I've stated, I'm indifferent to these reports and only want to see Gaia's transformation unfold as it was told by the ancients.

If the entire world miraculously changes around us I'm all for that. I simply am highly skeptical about the possibility. I'd love to see it, but life leads me to believe it won't occur. I can at least say that I really do hope you're right. :)


Interesting perspective, but again unduly complicated compared to other means.

I can't wait for those "other means" to finally kick in then.


Thank you for the insight. I guess part of it for me is not having been a part of the incarnational loop. I admit that what comes as second nature to me is not so for most others.

Jolly good, no one, not even I know for sure how this all ends up. But I can at least entertain myself with trying to figure it all out before that happens. I wouldn't make any difference anyway so I find it the only use of my time that feels worthwhile anymore. Since if everything changes tomorrow then all I thought mattered won't and I'll just be able to drop it.


There is nothing wrong with what you said. It is your truth and perspective and I respect that. I acknowledge that it is the truth you require to move your own proverbial ball forward within your experience. I guess it's hard to understand why people can't do the same in return. The propensity to fight over nothing on this plane of existence is mind boggling.

When fighting was the only thing that created even the slightest apparent progress here it's just a naturally adopted tendency. People pick things up from their environment unconsciously all the time. At least here, things were decided by competition, elimination, reduction, etc. These are all abstract concepts that hold particular meaning here because historically you could apply them to practical matters and succeed at what you intended to do using them. When those change, well then it's a whole new ball game.


I don't believe that there is ever a reason to drop one's beliefs. Only to modify them as needed to perfect your own experience. As for everyone else, who cares what they think as long as you don't intentionally harm another or knowingly infringe upon the free will of another. This is why it's so easy to rebuff most of the quips here. Never take it personally because at the end of the day these are only words on a screen and NOBODY, I don't care who you are knows the real you and how you conduct yourself in the world and consequently what fruit you bare.

Yes, very informative and thank you again for taking the time to provide such a well thought out response.

You can't modify beliefs if your survival depends on holding on to them. Outside of hardcore Buddhist monks I think very few people have what it takes to be 100% focused on compassion while 100% dispassionate about their survival.

Anyhow, I appreciate the conversation. I'm learning a lot from this as well. ^_^

[aranuk]

Free will is limited in everyone's lives in one way or another. If we haven't any money available and we chose not to have a credit card (debt card) and we chose not to ask friends or family for a loan, then we cannot just jump on a plane and fly to wherever we choose. The restriction of free will started in our earlier years no doubt with the circumstances of our birth. Depending what family we were born into, and what their circumstances were at that time, also had a bearing on our free will. I was married when I was twenty and rented a two bedroom flat my wife and I wanted to buy. We both wanted to buy the flat but because I was not yet 21 we had to wait another year. That suited the sellers of the flat as there was a credit squeeze at that time in Scotland and the UK in 1966. The sellers had difficulty getting the price they wanted because of the squeeze. Anyway, at that time some of my friends were travelling around the world visiting places like India, South America, and exotic locations. I was happy with my life, I chose that. I loved my wife. I wasn't envious of those friends at all.
When I thank source every night or morning before I sleep I give thanks and gratitude for all that I have. I really am most grateful. However I am not happy with what other people have. Some people have misery in their lives and almost nothing to look forward to. I ask source to help those people, men women and children. It is a duty I feel that I must do.
There are, as most people who come here know, politicians, cabal, bankers, corrupt officials in government, corporate SEO's, industrialists who only look after themselves at the expense of ordinary folks. I want their power taken away so that the majority of the population can be freer.
Drake seems to want those same things too! I want the same things that Drake wants. Don't you? Whether he is being led up the wrong path by corrupt Pentagon insiders is another discussion here. I suspect this is a possibility and I suspected this at the start. Read my earlier posts.
Maybe not.
If there are mass meditations around the world, I am included. Maybe these are more powerful than any physical action could be.
I support Drake.


Stan

[A Simple Human]

OK, ok, so here's my opinion about everyone else's opinion regarding this topic...

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I thank CurtisW for the video clip. :biggrin1:

A.S.H.

[gripreaper]

I was with you Stan, as I'd venture everyone on this forum was, until that last sentence. Why would you take such a beautiful post and ruin it with that last sentence?

[9eagle9]

New age bull**** mysticism that teaches a person how to flog chakras (futilely) doesn't really teach this sort of thing.

In case you were wondering...it doesn't.

The thing is Studying something (anything actually) is far different than being adept at navigating it and experiencing. I've studied maths for years and I still count on my fingers.

It's okay though I have an artificial intelligence to count for me. I drew the line at it thinking for me.


The following is something most people need to understand about the "cabal," criminals of any sorts and controllers which is something that "Drake," in spite of all his "training" in mysticism and occult teachings is completely missing (or not, depending on the real agenda he is on):


From: http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html


This came up as being prior to birth. I then checked if it was from a past life; the answer was, “No.” I then checked to see if it came in through the genetic hereditary line; the answer was, “Yes.”

It ended up going back to the great, great grandfather. The client was there in hyperspace reliving the hologram of event of the agreement of entrapment, and he saw his great, great grandfather's body being taken over through his agreement of initiation through a ritual, as he moved up the scale of the secret society as a 33 rd degree Freemason.

When one goes through initiation rituals within some of these secret societies, they do this using their conscious free will; they enter the game of these forces and become subjects to the creator of that game. They make powerful symbols that open dimensional doorways and invoke forces from the unseen world--this becomes a valid universal agreement that can be valid through time and space eternally.

The first to enter into the body is an apprentice entity, and with each degree, a more powerful entity takes over. By the time they reach the 20 th to 25 th degrees, their thoughts and actions are no longer their own thoughts and actions--they are being run and controlled by unseen forces. They will always try to justify their actions, and by the time they reach the 30 th to 33 rd degrees, this then becomes an overlay--a powerful force--that merges, holographically overlaying itself throughout the body and which can now totally run the body, down to a cellular level. The original spirit and soul have been entrapped within their own body, no longer able to control it.

[...]

I once had a client on the table, he was a very big man, and these controllers had been interfering with him, I was going up line, so to speak and was four up, at the invader that was at the level controlling 50,000 and was reading him his rights to his freedom in this sector, when all of a sudden he breaks down crying his eyes out.

I asked, "why do you cry when I give you your freedom"!

This invading dimensional being was what I classified as a Draconian overlay, his comment was. "They will not let me go, they will entrap me like they did last time."

From that day on, a new agreement was added to the rights of their freedom and that is you have the rights to be aware of the game, so you are not entrapped by any beings higher or lower in this sector or any other sector or dimension.

[...]

Once an overlay has control, through the free will agreement that was given to it, not only does it have control of the body, but it also has control down the genetic line for about seven generations, as had occurred in this case.

The fun has just begun! I now call up the overlays, and as they surface, I start reading them their rights of their freedom. I start with the apprentice; he is the one in charge of that body. Then comes his controller; he is in charge of apprentices. Then the next controller; and then the “big boys” ... they can control up to a million humans!!!

Whenever I came across the controllers and asked if they were being controlled, I always got the same answer, “No.” When I asked what gave them the right to control those below, the answer is always similar, and that is, “We have the born rights.”

This is similar to the born-rights control on the physical by the blue bloods; the royal line of Titans, which were put here to control the planet.

It had taken about twenty minutes to remove this one; he was one of the highest controlling species that I am aware of in the inter-dimensional control game. He was one of the winged serpents--this species usually stays hidden as they control the Draconians, who in turn, control the Greys.

It took her body another five minutes to re-adjust back to its original self.

[...]

We have the ability to turn the prison system around as "repeat offenders" have no control over their repeat crimes and many times you hear " I don't know why I did it or the voices in my head made me do it" We have hundreds of news paper articles where these other forces took control killing people and the body is doing the time for a dimensional crime.

[...]

These beings come and take over, ‘party time, yee‐ha!’ But they’re leaving you to hold the bag. They jump out because they don’t want to take responsibility because human bodies are subject to pain and suffering. They’d rather jump in, have fun and leave you holding the bag. This is your free will and choice. If you choose to go out and get drunk, if you choose to go and get on the drugs, if you choose to open the doorways, then you’re choosing to be in their game. And you’re subject to laws of their game. Simple. Make changes.


In short, any mass murdering won't solve any problem, just make it worse since the real culprits would just jump ship/body and keep on going in their same old ways..

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In case we decided to start murdering random wealthy people too....




could this be part of 'the plan'...

The U.S. Coast Guard has ended its search for a Brazilian-born multimillionaire whose fishing boat washed up on a south Florida beach earlier this week.

The Coast Guard said it called off the search for Guma Aguiar, the 35-year-old founder of a Texas oil and gas company that he sold for a reported $2.55 billion in 2006, late Thursday evening.

see the story here... http://news.yahoo.com/u-coast-guard-ends-search-missing-millionaire-143630930.html

Vessels get hijacked by drug runners quite ofter in the Caribbean or the Gulf of Mexico. They're attractive for a means into the States because of their legitimate registration. This sounds very typical, as once here, the boat is abandoned on the beach, and the bodies are long gone to the sharks. That's why most commercial fisherman who go well offshore are also well armed.

I would guess this scenario, before "The Plan".http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

Cheers,
Fred

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Not going to plan the rest of my life based on your emotional reactions.


People continue to speculate: Is all this Drake stuff for real? Wilcock? Cobra? Fulford? I have not been able to keep up with what all of these people have been saying as much as I would have liked to (and plan to finally get down to reading David Wilcock's latest blog today, though he wrote it over a week ago I think), so I am just going to speak here to what I KNOW:

I am VERY excited about how Drake has been mobilizing (so to speak) civilian militia across the country and probably inspiring it around the world -- for the good; and how he has talked to the American troops and also encouraged people to take stock of necessities that may be needed for several weeks as well as encouraged "community spirit."

On the other hand I am very pleased with the meditation that Cobra is encouraging (if not spearheading) for the People of the World to use our Power of Intention to free the world. That stuff is POWERFUL. This has been PROVEN -- and scientifically. It's not "wu-wu" fluff. IT WORKS.

There is a war on -- not only for our minds but for our emotions and spirit -- and it's a war pull to hold us down and beat us down further. Yet we have the power -- within us -- to break free from such oppressive non-material chains, and we can do that best TOGETHER. I don't know about you, but I believe in us...!!!

[applecrusher1992]

Free will is limited in everyone's lives in one way or another. If we haven't any money available and we chose not to have a credit card (debt card) and we chose not to ask friends or family for a loan, then we cannot just jump on a plane and fly to wherever we choose. The restriction of free will started in our earlier years no doubt with the circumstances of our birth. Depending what family we were born into, and what their circumstances were at that time, also had a bearing on our free will. I was married when I was twenty and rented a two bedroom flat my wife and I wanted to buy. We both wanted to buy the flat but because I was not yet 21 we had to wait another year. That suited the sellers of the flat as there was a credit squeeze at that time in Scotland and the UK in 1966. The sellers had difficulty getting the price they wanted because of the squeeze. Anyway, at that time some of my friends were travelling around the world visiting places like India, South America, and exotic locations. I was happy with my life, I chose that. I loved my wife. I wasn't envious of those friends at all.
When I thank source every night or morning before I sleep I give thanks and gratitude for all that I have. I really am most grateful. However I am not happy with what other people have. Some people have misery in their lives and almost nothing to look forward to. I ask source to help those people, men women and children. It is a duty I feel that I must do.
There are, as most people who come here know, politicians, cabal, bankers, corrupt officials in government, corporate SEO's, industrialists who only look after themselves at the expense of ordinary folks. I want their power taken away so that the majority of the population can be freer.
Drake seems to want those same things too! I want the same things that Drake wants. Don't you? Whether he is being led up the wrong path by corrupt Pentagon insiders is another discussion here. I suspect this is a possibility and I suspected this at the start. Read my earlier posts.
Maybe not.
If there are mass meditations around the world, I am included. Maybe these are more powerful than any physical action could be.
I support Drake. The rest of you who don't, to hell with you.


Stan

I am with you Stan. If we can't agree that having meditations focused removing negative powers are a good thing we might as well just sit on our asses and get fat. Also if we really want to change the world then let's get off our asses and do something about it. I will be the first to admit that I have done this way too much. I want what Drake and Cobra (unless they are trying to deceive us) which is a free human race. I can feel the energy is in our favor so let us seize on an opportunity. If we really want a mass arrest let's organize and get some people for a citizen's arrest and do it. There are some people who have lost their land and have been abused by the system that would love to join us even if they aren't awake. Let's not wait for someone to do it for us or chat back in forth with this nearly pointless argument of whether Drake or Cobra is real. YES I AM THE FIRST ONE TO SAY IT BUT IT MUST BE SAID: THIS WHOLE ARGUMENT IS A DISTRACTION REGARDLESS WHETHER DRAKE/COBRA IS A FAKE OR NOT. It is a divide and conquer strategy which is exactly what the cabal would like to see. If we were to do this let us be careful especially with the law and having a situation like this make us look like the bad guys. If you agree with me reply back publicly, don't send me a pm. Let us declare that we are going to stand up for what we believe in and do something about it. It may be a lot of work but we got nothing to lose when we have everything to lose.

Edit:

I started a petition. A small action can take things a long way. If you like it make it viral. If not make recommendations and help me improve it.

http://www.change.org/petitions/all-governments-corporations-law-enforcement-and-citizens-respect-the-right-of-citizen-arrests-and-prosecute-those-arrested

[Chester]

Imagine if it was you... yes, you... who was the actual 100th monkey... the monkey that the world depended upon to be the tipping point in consciousness on earth that makes that single difference as whether or not the sun takes care of the earth problem for the universe...

...and you could not transcend the "us and them" complex.

Amazing how so few seem to get it.

I still bet on humanity because love wins all bets.

[aranuk]

Free will is limited in everyone's lives in one way or another. If we haven't any money available and we chose not to have a credit card (debt card) and we chose not to ask friends or family for a loan, then we cannot just jump on a plane and fly to wherever we choose. The restriction of free will started in our earlier years no doubt with the circumstances of our birth. Depending what family we were born into, and what their circumstances were at that time, also had a bearing on our free will. I was married when I was twenty and rented a two bedroom flat my wife and I wanted to buy. We both wanted to buy the flat but because I was not yet 21 we had to wait another year. That suited the sellers of the flat as there was a credit squeeze at that time in Scotland and the UK in 1966. The sellers had difficulty getting the price they wanted because of the squeeze. Anyway, at that time some of my friends were travelling around the world visiting places like India, South America, and exotic locations. I was happy with my life, I chose that. I loved my wife. I wasn't envious of those friends at all.
When I thank source every night or morning before I sleep I give thanks and gratitude for all that I have. I really am most grateful. However I am not happy with what other people have. Some people have misery in their lives and almost nothing to look forward to. I ask source to help those people, men women and children. It is a duty I feel that I must do.
There are, as most people who come here know, politicians, cabal, bankers, corrupt officials in government, corporate SEO's, industrialists who only look after themselves at the expense of ordinary folks. I want their power taken away so that the majority of the population can be freer.
Drake seems to want those same things too! I want the same things that Drake wants. Don't you? Whether he is being led up the wrong path by corrupt Pentagon insiders is another discussion here. I suspect this is a possibility and I suspected this at the start. Read my earlier posts.
Maybe not.
If there are mass meditations around the world, I am included. Maybe these are more powerful than any physical action could be.
I support Drake. The rest of you who don't, to hell with you.


Stan

I am with you Stan. If we can't agree that having meditations focused removing negative powers are a good thing we might as well just sit on our asses and get fat. Also if we really want to change the world then let's get off our asses and do something about it. I will be the first to admit that I have done this way too much. I want what Drake and Cobra (unless they are trying to deceive us) which is a free human race. I can feel the energy is in our favor so let us seize on an opportunity. If we really want a mass arrest let's organize and get some people for a citizen's arrest and do it. There are some people who have lost their land and have been abused by the system that would love to join us even if they aren't awake. Let's not wait for someone to do it for us or chat back in forth with this nearly pointless argument of whether Drake or Cobra is real. YES I AM THE FIRST ONE TO SAY IT BUT IT MUST BE SAID: THIS WHOLE ARGUMENT IS A DISTRACTION REGARDLESS WHETHER DRAKE/COBRA IS A FAKE OR NOT. It is a divide and conquer strategy which is exactly what the cabal would like to see. If we were to do this let us be careful especially with the law and having a situation like this make us look like the bad guys. If you agree with me reply back publicly, don't send me a pm. Let us declare that we are going to stand up for what we believe in and do something about it. It may be a lot of work but we got nothing to lose when we have everything to lose.

Edit:

I started a petition. A small action can take things a long way. If you like it make it viral. If not make recommendations and help me improve it.

http://www.change.org/petitions/all-governments-corporations-law-enforcement-and-citizens-respect-the-right-of-citizen-arrests-and-prosecute-those-arrested

I agree Applecrusher I am with you!

Stan

[Anchor]

I am perfect.

Perfectly imperfect.

When I make a mistake, I make it perfectly.

You can't make a mistake more perfectly than I can.

I prove this to myself daily.

It's good to know this about me.

Well this is super.

I think I will print it and nail that sucker to my wall.

[aranuk]

I was with you Stan, as I'd venture everyone on this forum was, until that last sentence. Why would you take such a beautiful post and ruin it with that last sentence?

I just fixed it!

Stan

[StarDust]

If you can't fully understand human baggage you won't be able to handle it, and it'll literally all come tumbling down on top of you the moment you try, just like opening a suitcase accidentally packed too tightly. ^_^;; Your advantage enables you to perhaps see things more clearly "as they were originally intended to be" I make this distinction in language so as to separate "Things as they are" because depending on who you ask "Things as they are" is easily conflated mentally with "Things as I feel they should be." Which is minced with a dash of personal ego, while "things as they were originally intended to be" is a more accurate representation of what you're trying to do. Get the planet back on-balance. The language used is so very important and it's the first step to avoiding conflict by allowing people to keep their own definitions while still expressing yourself.

Fortunately, handling human baggage is an unnecessary task for me relative to my mission. My primary function is to anchor light to the grid; which I am now doing 24/7 365. Once I became activated in my late 20's it became very evident that this is primarily why I'm here. I can't turn it off and I presume I will continue to do it until Source turns the function off or it is time to move elsewhere in the cosmos to take on another mission. I do find your lessons in human communications fascinating. However, they are only relevant to a lesser degree within my secondary task as a communicator. One thing I learned some time ago is that it is better to let those who seek find me when the time is right as opposed to seeking them and trying to teach. The only exception to that point is engaging in random internet chats which I do to hone my perspective and see things form the perspective of another. Either way, communication is somewhat minor relative to my central task. In a way I'm helping everyone in an indirect but important way.


Now that we've crossed over to language I think you need to consider the use of the word "truth." If you want to stick to it, you're going to have a very long, very hard battle to define that word as you know it and enforce that definition among the general population. Yes, it has to at first be enforced because many will not want to agree to what you have to say unless they decide they like you or what you say sounds just like something someone else they like said. Social pressure has to be applied to some extent to get people to line up their definitions with yours. Even then, it doesn't always work because some groups find specific necessity in their definitions. Wiccans may be taking back the word "Witch" but Evangelical Christians for instance, are never going to accept that because their culture's survival depends on requiring certain words mean certain things and one of those is "witch" another would be "Lucifer" and every -stem variation thereof, and another would be "Christ" with its multitudes of variations thereof. This is important because even with the dictionary as a primer words carry many meanings that are individual and not easily accessed without getting to know a person or a culture.

Again, I appreciate your guidance with regard to communications but will stick with my terminology. I don't see a need to try to discern universal truth since I don't seek to convert anyone over to my way of thinking. It is the ultimate respect for free will of choice. If some feel the need to only discover universal truths, then I feel for them since they are missing out on a much bigger picture from my perspective by limiting them selves to what others commonly agree upon. To each their own!


In many cases people do not understand themselves enough to even give you a clear answer. "Detective Work" is always required to some extent, I have to do a lot of it to even keep a handle on my own thoughts as I eventually realized my conscious mind does not actually know "why" I make decisions, it knows why I decide "not" to do something but not why I decide to do something proactively. So introspection using only one's thinking is an illusion since the conscious is just the tip of the iceberg, instead I had to treat my mind as if it was dishonest with me and then I was able to suss out what most likely I was actually intending, thinking, or feeling at a given moment. These are still just best guesses, but they're guesses made through a process of figuring things out that has worked remarkably well at figuring out who's lying and who's not. The important thing to note here, my conscious is not actually dishonest because I'm sure it doesn't intend to make data unavailable for my inspection intentionally to harm or confuse me. But, it does still obscure things purposefully, and regardless of intent by applying a process meant to be used to detect people doing that same act with bad intent, I can figure out what has been obscured from my perception regardless of if it was done in good or bad intent.

That's OK. I'm fine with imperfect thoughts and can use my own discernment to fill in the blanks or simply walk the other direction. The process of thought is interesting but the study of systems of consciousness is far more fascinating, IMO. That is where my true passion lays and where the true understanding of how the puzzle is assembled exists.


The outer perspective is the only thing most of us see, it's an interface we literally cannot turn off or adjust. It is forever there, forever stimulating, motivating and pressuring us. We pay attention to it precisely because no matter what we say or do it does not go away. Sure you could try killing yourself if you really wanted it to go away, but this process is usually very painful, and our society has already loaded up fear the most on the subject of Death so its social acceptability is at rock bottom. People will perceive you as crazy for not acknowledging the things that persistently exist outside yourself precisely because they always can affect you as long as you have a body...and if you don't have a body? Well, you're probably not here in any way where we could communicate with you clearly so it's not like it would make a difference. You won't dispel fear of death without a lot of work, but for a skeptic to deem the outside world irrelevant then first it'd need to consistently not effect you. Knives, guns, etc would all need to be rendered irrelevant.

I suspect this is true for the masses. I have no fear about what others think; thus, it bares no pressure upon me. I live my life in accordance with being true to self. As for how others handle this, well, that is their own experience to process. I have no fear of death because I AM eternal. It's not to say that I don't feel pain when someone close passes. I do. But I have no illusions about the passing of the physical while maintaining the eternal essence of Source. As for the remainder of the physical world, I've co-created one that does not have much negativity in any substantial form provided that one limits emotions from certain conversations to within a specific arena and is mindful about entertainment sources.


It certainly is your prerogative. However I think that if you're going to ever get enough people to do anything differently you're going to have to give in to at least some of their demands. You may feel you don't need to cater to people not like yourself but what you don't yet get is that if you do not get near the whole of humanity in one swoop enough people exist to prevent the others from leaving. Like I said, one or two prisoners may escape but they never threaten the safety of the jail because there are already society-wide mechanisms in place to disarm or discredit anything said if it does not fall entirely beyond the range of any establishment to offer an explanation more believable. It works so well that even when you remove the jailers the other "prisoners" do all the work their former masters did for them.

I guess that's the beauty of my mission - it's a solo one for the most part. I do take on an occasional teacher/student relationship, but those are rare and only with people who have done sufficient work to maintain discussion/learning/understanding at a certain level. And for the most part I'm happiest that way.


Many, but not all people believe truth must be universal. If you want to stick to the word truth you can try adding a qualifying adjective. "Personal Truth" might work for instance. Because when you say "The Truth" it conjures up an image of an absolute immutable stone tablet much like Moses' ten commandments. An absolute unalterable decree from an infallible source that will last for eternity exactly how it is. This is just a perception, but these are the sorts of perceptions you will have to deal with if you're here to do anything more than just make yourself feel better about trying your hardest. People here though view that sort of thing as patronizing (insulting), because while you may want to help, by refusing to acknowledge the kind of help people need (because here, specifics matter very much) or why they need it (past trauma) you demonstrate very little understanding of what they are going through. You might be able to know exactly how they feel or what they're going through, but if the other person does not recognize that they are going to fight you because of what you (seem) to be doing, which is trying to manipulate them against their will.

Again, I find that unfortunate. But to each their own! I know my truth and I recognize and respect the truth of some others. If they mesh by agreement, then great. If not, then no harm done.


The hostility is precisely because of the misunderstanding created when they can't understand you or your POV and is why "catering" to some extent is required. Not in all cases or all ways, compromise is itself an artform and one I am still trying to figure out as I try to compromise with myself to figure out just who I authentically am, and what my most authentic self-expression is.

If people feel the need to exhibit hostility over ideas/perceptions/experiences that are foreign to them, then that is their choice. I usually find in those situations that the mind is not open to new ideas and is best left alone. In those cases, they may be unwilling or not ready for what I have to offer. That is fine. They will find what resonates with them that is in relevant to their learning when the time is right. I have no need or desire to force my ideas upon anyone; but reserve the right to defend them when challenged or simply to walk away if the task will be fruitless.


Be prepared then for the day you wake up to realize you just committed genocide unnecessarily because someone else lied to you for years on end. That may be a hyperbolic example but even people who can read intent perfectly can be fooled by psychopaths. They believe everything they say perfectly. Living entirely in the heart makes you vulnerable to those sorts of people. I don't think anyone should give up caring or wanting to live from the heart but a way to live simultaneously in heart and mind is required to both be authentic and prevent deception. You should take your own path of course, but I just want to make sure you're aware of what the risks are. Because especially if you are who you say you are, you WILL be tested like that and you may never even know it until it's too late.

There will be no such occurrence in my life. I accept the fact that I am 100% in charge of creating my own reality. As such, external influences can be eliminated in their entirety simply by shifting your resonance level and focus to a reality you prefer. As Bashar so eloquently states, "shift to the one you prefer." I do this all the time and it simply works!


Things resonate based on feeling, feeling is emotion, emotion is based on personal perception, perception can be distorted via deception, thus emotions can lie to you as well. Not in the way you might think, what you feel is most certainly real. The lie though is "why" you're having that feeling, it's rather easy to confuse people like that. You can confuse them by making their acceptance or nonacceptance of your explanation effect their chances of survival. Survival isn't just physical survival either, but the entire Maslow's hierarchy of needs. That's an important one, access to all of those things on the chart are ways to control a person because they're all things we need to achieve our full authentic potential and a great many of them depend on things entirely outside our control. Food, water and shelter are one, but sex, friendship and a sense of belonging are others. Your "survival" as a human requires some way of achieving most if not all of those things. So even if you're 100% sure of what your emotions mean, society at large can simply ostracize you and your viewpoint for long enough that you eventually have no choice but to accept it if you wish to remain on planet. It's quite brutal but it works.

I don't agree with your perception. Yes, feelings, emotions, etc. emanate from the belly or Spleen chakra. However, the resonance that I'm referring to emanates from the Heart Chakra. This is where I discern my truth. They are vastly different places for discernment.


First they get you to lie to others to fit in, then lie to yourself so that you forget you're lying to fit in. Once they do it long enough and all the person involved will remember is "This is what I have to do" and they will resist change so long as change only brings pain/suffering. Finally, they'll make an association and adopt the belief that "This is how I authentically am, I don't need to change because I am happiest like this." It isn't how they might actually be happiest, but if they never know of anything consciously other than "If I do anything else it hurts" they will adopt beliefs to support their desire to not get hurt. Anyone who can get hurt, is vulnerable to some kind of manipulation like this.

I went though this process in High School. Discovered its superficial nature shortly after graduation and abandoned it shortly after that. Admittedly, I've not lived a 'traditional' life. I've always moved to the beat of my own drum and have found my own way accordingly. Being a star seed greatly sped up this process and I'm very happy that it did.


Case in point, I had to change a lot of my mannerisms and methods of dress and communication just so that I would appeal to women. I had to do this because if I ever wanted to have companionship I realized society's expectations of me and that I had to find a way to meet them adequately in some fashion or it would deny me any real loving kinship in this life. I've still got a long way to go but basically my choices were precisely "die lonely and insane" or "give in to some of what people want." When you regularly get faced with those situations it makes you realize that to a lot of people appearances are very important. So if anything you want or need in this world requires other people to want to follow you then you'll just have to do it. It's not a matter of moralizing shoulds, but simply what people will do.

I recognize that the process of compromise is a normal part of human relationships. Conversely, I find that the illusion of the separation of male/female energies to be very foreign to me. In this sense I find more peace in being alone; although like most humans I do find that companionship is an important part of this experience.


Then you're going to run into the same problems as everyone else. You'll come here, give it what you feel or think is your all, and then be severely disappointed when (if you manage to achieve any positive progress with any human or group) that after you die everything you've done to "help" anyone is washed away and perverted by society at large. You'll come back, over and over and over again hoping to "get it right" only to fail to see entirely why you never could "get it right" and that's because you refused to acknowledge anyone or anything outside of your "self" as true. You can't just believe in your "truth within," you have to believe in everyone's "truth within" and that includes the people who believe "The truth is out there." Otherwise dysfunctional and destructive behavior patterns will eventually destroy or re-purpose everything you put forth to support the status quo. Everyone has to like you and like what you have to say otherwise the ones who don't will make it an explicit purpose of theirs to mangle your legacy.

I don't agree for the simple reason that I don't seek integration. It's simply not impotent to me. It is not critical to my mission and based on my current trajectory this will be my last time visiting Gaia. The expansion of consciousness is happening elsewhere and I'll likely volunteer to move on when the time is appropriate.


"What works best for me" can be destroying other people I hate. "What works best" is synonymous in meaning with "What is least painful" or "What is most pleasurable" and all of those can be filled with destructive and dysfunctional things. You seem to be under the impression that everyone likes what you like or will enjoy what you enjoy. Many many people legitimately seek enjoyment in dysfunction, pain and devastation. They may hate it and want to escape it inwardly, but be trapped in situations that permanently prevent the honest self-exploration needed for them to find something better. When being different can cost you everything people aren't prone to be authentically as they are 100% of the time, especially not with themselves. (Since they need to feel authentic even if they're not being authentic, it's why self-deception is so attractive, it lets you forget that part.)

People are free to interpret those words any way they choose. My take on it is doing what moves one forward spiritually in the most efficacious way possible. If they seek disfunction, pain and devastation, then that is their choice and is as valid as any other provided that they don't harm another or infringe upon the free will of choice of others. That is my simple litmus test for doing what one pleases.


Well if you have no goal then I wish you the best. Perhaps you're "just visiting" then. But if you really care about literally anything other than just being yourself at all costs (even if it kills you) this world will do nothing but frustrate the pants off of you. :)

My goal is my mission. And yes, I'm only visiting as a volunteer who answered the call from Source to assist. The only frustration I encounter is via people who seek to impose their ideas on another at all costs. But even that is easily remedied by simply shifting to another parallel reality that is in accordance with what I prefer.


It's crude yes, but necessary due to psychopathology. The worst kinds of psychopaths basically have no bearing on any "Truth" beyond "what I want to do right now" and because of that they always register as "100% authentic" because their most authentic form of self-expression is doing absolutely whatever they want, wherever they want, whenever they want, to whomever they want. You cannot read their energy that way because they literally are incapable (even at a physical level, MRIs confirm this) of perceiving any negativity or "hostile intent" in themselves or anything they do, only in other people. At least that's what I keep hearing from anyone I know who "read people" regularly.

I will still stick to discernment via my heart chakra and applying my litmus test to determine what is appropriate for me within my co-creative process. As for everyone else, well, that is their choice and consequences for their own actions when the time comes to reconcile such things.


I've actually tapped into this, and can confirm at least for myself, yes, yes you can, quite strongly. All it requires is playing on survival drama issues that force you back into the box of disbelief. I cannot "stand firm in my own truth" because everything about how I was raised and who I became depended on being able to disown anything I said or did which fell outside of acceptable social norms. If I was not able to do this then if I stepped too far out of line I'd have to battle society at large to gain any acceptance whatsoever. Civil Rights, LGBT rights, look to those fights, that's the sort of battle faced by anyone who wants to publicly change how this world perceives them. It can be done, but it's very difficult and takes sustained effort over a very long generational period.

Good! Yes, it is not easy. I suspect the 'second nature' aspect of it for me is based on where I'm from originally.


I don't enter into any conflict I'm not sure I can come out of unscathed. As such I am incapable of holding any belief I cannot outwardly prove to others; doing anything else is to deny how progress is made in this world. If I want to believe something and communicate that belief to any other person, I must be ready to consider entering into a battle over that belief. Because if anything I say or do contradicts any other person I run the risk of inciting them to make my life miserable just because of their damaged psyche. Science you could say is an "Easy out" because of how it relies on the outside world to make its proofs but it's quite useful (although just one part of any overall solution that would be needed to help the population.)

Yes, I do this quite frequently these days. But I only consider these verbal duals (with some) to be practice and will likely walk away unannounced once I grow bored with it. At the end of the day, they are only words on a screen. I take what is of benefit to me and my understanding & simply discard the rest.


It would depend on how it was handled really. The way to make it work is to present a picture of Jesus so appealing that everyone ignores the parts they don't like because there's so much of what they want. But in getting the Jesus they want they eventually must accept the parts they don't like. It's a sneaky way of doing it, but again, here that stuff works. Of course it has to be consistent and authentic, but I'm sure enough people would eventually say, stop hating gays or lesbians if Jesus himself explained it to them. Of course their acceptance of him as Jesus will depend on him presenting himself to them in a likeable way.

Perhaps you are right. But my intuition tells me that no such figure will appear as that is not critical to becoming a 4th Density being since many of the 'miracles' that Jesus allegedly preformed will be easily achievable by everyone. As such, petty differences in 3rd density such as sexuality and helping one another will cease to exist. They are not relevant when discovering one's true nature as unity conciousness.


Well as long as you're ready to accept that society will still judge you, condemn you, and if necessary even torture you horribly for what you simply appear to be then that's fine. But as long as you give people a choice to "cling to stories in a book" they will if it's the most comforting option. It's just human nature. (The only difference being that each person determines what is comforting and what is not individually.)

I have no such fear since there will be no such judgement. I have compassion for people who still perceive life this way. From my perspective, they still have a long way to go before they reach the mountaintop and can see existence for what it truly is. I suspect that this misperception will cease to exist once the veil has been lifted and expansion is proceeding nicely.


If the entire world miraculously changes around us I'm all for that. I simply am highly skeptical about the possibility. I'd love to see it, but life leads me to believe it won't occur. I can at least say that I really do hope you're right. :)

Most people are and I understand the desire to be skeptical in this realm of consciousness even if I don't participate within skepticism. The trick is to remain neutral and not to slip into cynicism.


I can't wait for those "other means" to finally kick in then.

Intuitive knowing is a nice skill to rely upon. It is available to all, but you have to learn to trust your heart above all else. In that realm, the rational mind does not enter the picture as there is no need for it beyond understanding how lower consciousness perceives the hologram referred to as "reality".


Jolly good, no one, not even I know for sure how this all ends up. But I can at least entertain myself with trying to figure it all out before that happens. I wouldn't make any difference anyway so I find it the only use of my time that feels worthwhile anymore. Since if everything changes tomorrow then all I thought mattered won't and I'll just be able to drop it.

True, although I feel I have a very good grasp of how it is shaping itself. Admittedly, having an advanced understanding of collective consciousness is very helpful in this endeavor.


When fighting was the only thing that created even the slightest apparent progress here it's just a naturally adopted tendency. People pick things up from their environment unconsciously all the time. At least here, things were decided by competition, elimination, reduction, etc. These are all abstract concepts that hold particular meaning here because historically you could apply them to practical matters and succeed at what you intended to do using them. When those change, well then it's a whole new ball game.

It is an interesting game for sure and it keeps the conversation lively at times.


You can't modify beliefs if your survival depends on holding on to them. Outside of hardcore Buddhist monks I think very few people have what it takes to be 100% focused on compassion while 100% dispassionate about their survival.

Agreed, nothing can be modified when in survival mode. That's why the goal post is achievable for your average being. All that is required is to maintain 51% service to other to be properly polarized for 4th Density living. It's harder than it sounds, but is achievable to anyone who applies themselves. As far as who is keeping track, well, that is Sources task and those tapped to monitor such things.


Anyhow, I appreciate the conversation. I'm learning a lot from this as well. ^_^

And likewise. Thank you for the civil conversation and sharing your pearls of wisdom!

[Maunagarjana]

I am amused by the arguments against Drake and Cobra that include all kinds of suspicions about them, and questioning their authority to do anything, whether they have the right approach, and so on. Let me give an analogy: If Superman were real (bear with me here) and was able to battle the cabal and the negative ETs and banish them from the Earth, I would imagine these people would be saying similar things about Superman. What gives HIM the right? Why, he's not even from Earth! He took a reptoid mothership and threw it in the sun, that murderous bastard! He's disempowering us by solving our problems for us. Now we are dependent upon Superman! Maybe Superman works for the reptoids and is just making us FEEL protected but is really in on their agenda! Maybe he wants to fill the power vacuum and make himself Emperor of Earth! You get the idea.

The point is, most everyone on this forum can agree that the Earth is in really bad shape in so many ways and that some major changes need to happen to remedy the situation. And just when a few people (who are really just messengers for networks of people, BTW) come forward to talk about their plans to actually do something - rather than just gripe, endlessly theorize and criticize other people's gripes and theories - what do they get? They get attacked, called frauds, have all kinds of aspersions cast about them and their motives and their tactics and their aims. And since people are so mentally and emotionally traumatized by having to deal with the state of affairs on this planet, they simply cannot see beyond their endless suspicion. I have to ask some of you people, do you actually want these problems solved??

People say that waiting for other people to make mass arrests is making people passive and encouraging them to do nothing. Well fine, you go make some arrests of the cabal and we'll see how far you get. It seems obvious to me that if there is going to be a revolt, that it is going to have to be a revolt from the top that is supported by regular folks. People have some kind of fantasy about how the cabal should rightly be overthrown. Honestly, I don't care how they are removed, so long as it happens. How you excise or incinerate the malignant tumor is not important to me, so long as it gets done. When the smoke clears, then we'll iron out all the details. Once we can finally deal in good faith without a bunch of criminal psychopaths in cahoots with evil aliens behind the scenes intimidating everyone and rigging the game at every turn, then maybe we can afford to have these quibbles.

One last thing, to anyone who is suggesting that Drake is collecting the identities of people through his poll or whatever in order to set up people, I would say I am not worried. I don't get the sense that this is happening, but moreover, I am not worried about it because I am not a coward. My attitude to the cabal and any threat they may present to my person is this: Come Get Me. These scoundrels hold their power by making people scared of abduction, physical and mental torture, ruining ones career, killing ones family and friends, and so forth. The only way to counter this is to be fearless (not stupid, just fearless...I'm not suggesting seeking out martyrdom.) You have to ask yourself how badly do you want the planet Earth to be freed from tyranny?? Personally, I want it more than I want for my personal well-being or even the well being of my friends and family. All of humanity may not be my friends, but they are all my family. My point in all this is....ask yourself, do you really want the liberation of Earth to happen? Because reading many of these comments, I really don't get that sense at all.

[Referee]

Hey this may be nothing however I thought it deserves a post here in the Drake Thread.

The video mentioned in this video has been removed from You Tube and other sites as far as I know.

Here is AJ's Breakdown.

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[StarDust]

I am amused by the arguments against Drake and Cobra that include all kinds of suspicions about them, and questioning their authority to do anything, whether they have the right approach, and so on. Let me give an analogy: If Superman were real (bear with me here) and was able to battle the cabal and the negative ETs and banish them from the Earth, I would imagine these people would be saying similar things about Superman. What gives HIM the right? Why, he's not even from Earth! He took a reptoid mothership and threw it in the sun, that murderous bastard! He's disempowering us by solving our problems for us. Now we are dependent upon Superman! Maybe Superman works for the reptoids and is just making us FEEL protected but is really in on their agenda! Maybe he wants to fill the power vacuum and make himself Emperor of Earth! You get the idea.

The point is, most everyone on this forum can agree that the Earth is in really bad shape in so many ways and that some major changes need to happen to remedy the situation. And just when a few people (who are really just messengers for networks of people, BTW) come forward to talk about their plans to actually do something - rather than just gripe, endlessly theorize and criticize other people's gripes and theories - what do they get? They get attacked, called frauds, have all kinds of aspersions cast about them and their motives and their tactics and their aims. And since people are so mentally and emotionally traumatized by having to deal with the state of affairs on this planet, they simply cannot see beyond their endless suspicion. I have to ask some of you people, do you actually want these problems solved??

People say that waiting for other people to make mass arrests is making people passive and encouraging them to do nothing. Well fine, you go make some arrests of the cabal and we'll see how far you get. It seems obvious to me that if there is going to be a revolt, that it is going to have to be a revolt from the top that is supported by regular folks. People have some kind of fantasy about how the cabal should rightly be overthrown. Honestly, I don't care how they are removed, so long as it happens. How you excise or incinerate the malignant tumor is not important to me, so long as it gets done. When the smoke clears, then we'll iron out all the details. Once we can finally deal in good faith without a bunch of criminal psychopaths in cahoots with evil aliens behind the scenes intimidating everyone and rigging the game at every turn, then maybe we can afford to have these quibbles.

One last thing, to anyone who is suggesting that Drake is collecting the identities of people through his poll or whatever in order to set up people, I would say I am not worried. I don't get the sense that this is happening, but moreover, I am not worried about it because I am not a coward. My attitude to the cabal and any threat they may present to my person is this: Come Get Me. These scoundrels hold their power by making people scared of abduction, physical and mental torture, ruining ones career, killing ones family and friends, and so forth. The only way to counter this is to be fearless (not stupid, just fearless...I'm not suggesting seeking out martyrdom.) You have to ask yourself how badly do you want the planet Earth to be freed from tyranny?? Personally, I want it more than I want for my personal well-being or even the well being of my friends and family. All of humanity may not be my friends, but they are all my family. My point in all this is....ask yourself, do you really want the liberation of Earth to happen? Because reading many of these comments, I really don't get that sense at all.

Well stated!

[Ishtar]

Stardust, you say that you don’t care what we think of your views, but that would beg the question, why do you bother expressing them to us? Some might consider you a sociopath, or even a psychopath, but I don’t. I know why you keep posting. You keep posting because you are an integral cog in the wheels of the alien agenda at the heart of our governments (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46563-The-Secret-Transformation-of-Our-Elected-Officials-and-What-It-Means-for-America).

You say that you don’t understand why people keep coming back in here to ‘post negatively’ about a subject they don’t believe in/approve of. But you only see these posts as negative because they run counter to your agenda. They are having a negative impact on your agenda… we are winning this battle, because every time we see through one of the dramas of the Commedie dell’Arte that employs your services, your cohorts have to come up with another one.

There have been an endless number of puppets paraded before us prisoners, their shadows reflecting in the flickering light of our Plato’s Cave computer screens, from the Galactic Federation of Light, The Andromeda Council, the Arcuturian Initiative to the Pleidians, the Sirians, the Ashtar Command… and now we have Drake, Cobra, Michael and even today, a new one: Semjase from Plejaran.

Sometimes the puppets support one another. Sometimes the puppets denounce one another. Sometimes one bunch of puppets goes to war against another bunch of puppets. Sometimes the puppets have even been drugged by their own egos into not realising that they are on strings.

Speaking of the latter instance, Stardust, you appear to have swallowed the channelled material, The Law of One, whole, which, of course, you would be required to do in your role in helping to disseminate the alien agenda. The Law of One is the equivalent of Hitler’s Mein Kampf or Mao’s Little Red Book in this psy-ops war.

The Law of One is the scientific philosophy that has been produced to support the alien agenda. David Wilcock has based his work on it…. but he has at least had a lot of help. We know David well, and we know he doesn’t do his own research. He relies on ‘others’ to tell him what to think and what to write. His over-inflated ego prevents him from knowing the truth in this matter, and so believing that it is all his own work makes him all the more convincing when he delivers it.

But The Law of One is just one of the more recent propaganda weapons in this psy-ops war on behalf of the alien agenda. The seeds of the present conflagration of misinformation and disinformation on the military-owned internet were sown at the beginning of the 20th century by a cabal of occultists, intelligence agents, science fiction writers, psychologists, space agency operatives and the CIA, all under the control of the Freemasonic lodges of Aleister Crowley and Jack Parsons. (Read more about that here (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?3086-The-Entertainment-Division-of-the-Military-Industrial-Complex)).

It’s not so much that they influenced this Age through occult or magic as I don’t believe the Freemasons were, or are, capable of it. They have no spirits to work with them and their lodges are not 'contacted' lodges, which is what that means. They are stuck with merely empty rituals, and so that is what they got good at. It is now more their theatre and dramatic enchantment that is trying to mesmerise us into submission after they were given the world stage to put on their Star Wars productions on behalf of the "entertainment division of the military-industrial complex", which, Frank Zappa told us, government really is. Bread and circuses. It's been working fine that way since Roman times.

And being absorbed in their virtual theatre in the skies has an added bonus, from their point of view. While we’re looking up and out, we can’t be looking inwards and taking care of our own inner self-transformation which is the purpose of human life. So long as we can’t/don’t evolve spiritually, we’ll be forever trapped in slavehood to our Freemason masters, as most on this planet are.

So I hope that’s cleared up your question about why we keep coming back into this thread, Stardust. We care about our fellow human beings, we have compassion for them, and so we don’t like to see them being suckered by the alien agenda. Something tells me you may not know what that feels like... but then, I can only say, you are truly missing out.

[Chester]

Stardust, you say that you don’t care what we think of your views, but that would beg the question, why do you bother expressing them to us? Some might consider you a sociopath, or even a psychopath, but I don’t. I know why you keep posting. You keep posting because you are an integral cog in the wheels of the alien agenda at the heart of our governments (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46563-The-Secret-Transformation-of-Our-Elected-Officials-and-What-It-Means-for-America).

You say that you don’t understand why people keep coming back in here to ‘post negatively’ about a subject they don’t believe in/approve of. But you only see these posts as negative because they run counter to your agenda. They are having a negative impact on your agenda… we are winning this battle, because every time we see through one of the dramas of the Commedie dell’Arte that employs your services, your cohorts have to come up with another one.

There have been an endless number of puppets paraded before us prisoners, their shadows reflecting in the flickering light of our Plato’s Cave computer screens, from the Galactic Federation of Light, The Andromeda Council, the Arcuturian Initiative to the Pleidians, the Sirians, the Ashtar Command… and now we have Drake, Cobra, Michael and even today, a new one: Semjase from Plejaran.

Sometimes the puppets support one another. Sometimes the puppets denounce one another. Sometimes one bunch of puppets goes to war against another bunch of puppets. Sometimes the puppets have even been drugged by their own egos into not realising that they are on strings.

Speaking of the latter instance, Stardust, you appear to have swallowed the channelled material, The Law of One, whole, which, of course, you would be required to do in your role in helping to disseminate the alien agenda. The Law of One is the equivalent of Hitler’s Mein Kampf or Mao’s Little Red Book in this psy-ops war.

The Law of One is the scientific philosophy that has been produced to support the alien agenda. David Wilcock has based his work on it…. but he has at least had a lot of help. We know David well, and we know he doesn’t do his own research. He relies on ‘others’ to tell him what to think and what to write. His over-inflated ego prevents him from knowing the truth in this matter, and so believing that it is all his own work makes him all the more convincing when he delivers it.

But The Law of One is just one of the more recent propaganda weapons in this psy-ops war on behalf of the alien agenda. The seeds of the present conflagration of misinformation and disinformation on the military-owned internet were sown at the beginning of the 20th century by a cabal of occultists, intelligence agents, science fiction writers, psychologists, space agency operatives and the CIA, all under the control of the Freemasonic lodges of Aleister Crowley and Jack Parsons. (Read more about that here (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?3086-The-Entertainment-Division-of-the-Military-Industrial-Complex)).

It’s not so much that they influenced this Age through occult or magic as I don’t believe the Freemasons were, or are, capable of it. They have no spirits to work with them and their lodges are not 'contacted' lodges, which is what that means. They are stuck with merely empty rituals, and so that is what they got good at. It is now more their theatre and dramatic enchantment that is trying to mesmerise us into submission after they were given the world stage to put on their Star Wars productions on behalf of the "entertainment division of the military-industrial complex", which, Frank Zappa told us, government really is. Bread and circuses. It's been working fine that way since Roman times.

And being absorbed in their virtual theatre in the skies has an added bonus, from their point of view. While we’re looking up and out, we can’t be looking inwards and taking care of our own inner self-transformation which is the purpose of human life. So long as we can’t/don’t evolve spiritually, we’ll be forever trapped in slavehood to our Freemason masters, as most on this planet are.

So I hope that’s cleared up your question about why we keep coming back into this thread, Stardust. We care about our fellow human beings, we have compassion for them, and so we don’t like to see them being suckered by the alien agenda. Something tells me you may not know what that feels like... but then, I can only say, you are truly missing out.

Perhaps the single best post on this entire thread - Thanks Ishtar

[Ishtar]

Thank you Foreverfan. This is a perfect example of what I said in my last two paragraphs above ...that we're being discouraged from looking inwards by this outer Star Wars show of the Freemasonic governments. FF, could you give me the link where this bit came from? It's not in the NY Times article. To recap, the Freemason-appointed former prime minister of Romania has just shot himself (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/world/europe/romanian-ex-premier-adrian-nastase-shoots-and-wounds-himself.html) but while in power, carried out aggressive actions against the yogis.


Soon after this agreement with the USA Freemasonry, Adrian Nastase secretly ordered the Romanian Police and the Prosecutor’s Office to start the biggest action in the last 15 years in Romania, which they named Operation “Christ”. Suddenly, at Adrian Nastase’s sign, after years of peace and harmony, the authorities started aggressive actions against yogis. They watched them closely, harassed and investigated them and even succeeded to arrest guru Bivolaru for a few days, for some strange, unsupported reasons. During the police’s forceful search there have been innumerable abuses and illegal treatment against many yogis, who were robbed of their goods, without any reports, goods that were never returned. Most Romanians do not know the yogis suffering and troubles caused by the Freemasons and A. Nastase …

Anyone is any doubt that our governments are run by Freemasons might want to check out the logo of the recent G20 summit in Mexico, a birds-eye view of a pyramid with a gold cap.

http://images.suite101.com/3693941_com_g20_mexico.jpg

[Hervé]

New age bull**** mysticism that teaches a person how to flog chakras (futilely) doesn't really teach this sort of thing.

In case you were wondering...it doesn't.



Thanks! One less thing to wonder about.

Now, about the flogging... reminded me of this:




I can sincerely recommend this to everyone.
It's a bit weird to slap yourself in order to get healthy and fit, but it works. It works like a charm.

The explanation of what to do begins after about 19 minutes

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ColmTrUsFXI


Ha-hahhh!

So, that's what self inflicted flagellation was all about...


From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellation):


Some members of strict monastic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monastic) orders, and some members of the lay organization Opus Dei (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opus_Dei), practice mild self-flagellation using an instrument called a "discipline", a cattail whip usually made of knotted cords, which is flung over the shoulders repeatedly during private prayer.[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellation#cite_note-11) The practice has become rare within the Catholic Church, particularly as rigorism is rejected.


Ecstatics and Mystics
Because practices such as starvation, sleep denial and flagellation are known to induce altered states, flagellation may be used by religious ecstatics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecstatic) and mystics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysticism) as part of ritualistic practices or ceremonies to achieve unusual states of mind.

Altered and perverted by the PTB of those times... as usual.

[Hervé]

Imagine if it was you... yes, you... who was the actual 100th monkey... the monkey that the world depended upon to be the tipping point in consciousness on earth that makes that single difference as whether or not the sun takes care of the earth problem for the universe...

...and you could not transcend the "us and them" complex.

Amazing how so few seem to get it.

I still bet on humanity because love wins all bets.

Nice enforced guilt trip, Justone... smells of some recruiting program replication...

As for your bet, I am all for it too. However, since there are more and more skull-dwelling zombies and less and less monkeys... odds are high.

[Hervé]

[...]

where this bit came from?

[...]

http://soundofheart.org/galacticfreepress/content/illuminati-kingpin-shoots-himself-being-taken-prison-have-nwo-mass-arrests-begun-earnest

:)

[Ishtar]

yes, thank you, Amzer Zo.



[...]

where this bit came from?

[...]


http://soundofheart.org/galacticfreepress/content/illuminati-kingpin-shoots-himself-being-taken-prison-have-nwo-mass-arrests-begun-earnest

:)

[Chester]

[...]

where this bit came from?

[...]

http://soundofheart.org/galacticfreepress/content/illuminati-kingpin-shoots-himself-being-taken-prison-have-nwo-mass-arrests-begun-earnest

:)

I love it! First this not only proves the plan has actually started, but at the same time proves God is against executions... how does some guy shoot himself in the head to commit suicide and live?

Only if God wants him too.

Thanks, God, for agreeing with me that executions are not acceptable to the otherwise brilliant and universally approved plan... well at least approved by the Pleiadians.

EDIT: - This edit is for those who might have taken any part of the above post seriously - perhaps it was a poor attempt to be sarcastic - apologies if so.

[StarDust]

Stardust, you say that you don’t care what we think of your views, but that would beg the question, why do you bother expressing them to us? Some might consider you a sociopath, or even a psychopath, but I don’t. I know why you keep posting. You keep posting because you are an integral cog in the wheels of the alien agenda at the heart of our governments (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46563-The-Secret-Transformation-of-Our-Elected-Officials-and-What-It-Means-for-America).

The answer is simple, I've said it before and it bears repeating, I'm here to exchange ideas and nothing more. You really are a funny lot; thinking that I need any of your approval of my ideas. It's simply ludicrous from my position - As if Avalon were anything else other than a metaphysical water cooler is quite funny from my perspective. You are welcome to paint me in any way you see fit within your mind. Aftar all, that is the way the world around you is perceived within your parallel reality.


You say that you don’t understand why people keep coming back in here to ‘post negatively’ about a subject they don’t believe in/approve of. But you only see these posts as negative because they run counter to your agenda. They are having a negative impact on your agenda… we are winning this battle, because every time we see through one of the dramas of the Commedie dell’Arte that employs your services, your cohorts have to come up with another one.

I have no "agenda" aside from sharing ideas and perceiving the views of others. I have no "cohorts" as you say; since I do not have a formal relationship with any of them. Their actions are simply in-line with my understanding of what is unfolding and nothing more. You are welcome to join the ranks of the "guilt by association" clique, but it is baseless and meaningless within my parallel reality.


There have been an endless number of puppets paraded before us prisoners, their shadows reflecting in the flickering light of our Plato’s Cave computer screens, from the Galactic Federation of Light, The Andromeda Council, the Arcuturian Initiative to the Pleidians, the Sirians, the Ashtar Command… and now we have Drake, Cobra, Michael and even today, a new one: Semjase from Plejaran.

Sometimes the puppets support one another. Sometimes the puppets denounce one another. Sometimes one bunch of puppets goes to war against another bunch of puppets. Sometimes the puppets have even been drugged by their own egos into not realising that they are on strings.

You are welcome to try to categorize anything you wish. But that does not make your assessment correct; as it clearly is not from my perspective with regard to me.


Speaking of the latter instance, Stardust, you appear to have swallowed the channelled material, The Law of One, whole, which, of course, you would be required to do in your role in helping to disseminate the alien agenda. The Law of One is the equivalent of Hitler’s Mein Kampf or Mao’s Little Red Book in this psy-ops war.

The Law of One is the scientific philosophy that has been produced to support the alien agenda. David Wilcock has based his work on it…. but he has at least had a lot of help. We know David well, and we know he doesn’t do his own research. He relies on ‘others’ to tell him what to think and what to write. His over-inflated ego prevents him from knowing the truth in this matter, and so believing that it is all his own work makes him all the more convincing when he delivers it.

But The Law of One is just one of the more recent propaganda weapons in this psy-ops war on behalf of the alien agenda. The seeds of the present conflagration of misinformation and disinformation on the military-owned internet were sown at the beginning of the 20th century by a cabal of occultists, intelligence agents, science fiction writers, psychologists, space agency operatives and the CIA, all under the control of the Freemasonic lodges of Aleister Crowley and Jack Parsons. (Read more about that here (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?3086-The-Entertainment-Division-of-the-Military-Industrial-Complex)).

Anchor's summary of those who have (or have not) critically evaluated "The RA Material" bares repeating:


Most people I know fall into two camps on this:

1) I don't trust anything channeled by whatever means

2) The law of one, having read it critically find that it makes a lot of sense to me (and has a ring of truth, is powerfully transformative, awakening etc etc)

What I have never seen is anyone ever! falling into a hypothetical third camp:

3) I have critically evaluated the Law of One, and it seems false and deceptive to me and I recommend you do not read it!

My opinion is (2).

I have seen also seen a few people who pretend to have read it when they have not really done so, and I ignore these ones ;)

I would assess that you fall squarely into the last category of Anchor's analysis in bold.


It’s not so much that they influenced this Age through occult or magic as I don’t believe the Freemasons were, or are, capable of it. They have no spirits to work with them and their lodges are not 'contacted' lodges, which is what that means. They are stuck with merely empty rituals, and so that is what they got good at. It is now more their theatre and dramatic enchantment that is trying to mesmerise us into submission after they were given the world stage to put on their Star Wars productions on behalf of the "entertainment division of the military-industrial complex", which, Frank Zappa told us, government really is. Bread and circuses. It's been working fine that way since Roman times.

And being absorbed in their virtual theatre in the skies has an added bonus, from their point of view. While we’re looking up and out, we can’t be looking inwards and taking care of our own inner self-transformation which is the purpose of human life. So long as we can’t/don’t evolve spiritually, we’ll be forever trapped in slavehood to our Freemason masters, as most on this planet are.

So I hope that’s cleared up your question about why we keep coming back into this thread, Stardust. We care about our fellow human beings, we have compassion for them, and so we don’t like to see them being suckered by the alien agenda. Something tells me you may not know what that feels like... but then, I can only say, you are truly missing out.

How you waste your time is of no consequence to me and most others. It is statistically improbable that the statements of the detractors will have any sway upon those who choose a different way of thinking unless they were weak minded to begin with. And on Anchor's last note, I bid you good day!

[gripreaper]

The salient point this morning, in my humble opinion, is about either going within and tapping into the power of the divine source field and raising the Kundalini fire of the dijed through the speed of light....

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS78t-Ex5GitmKtsTOgrG-Uri2tCE8BVT6gIak8QJkfVf61KCZn

Or, continue in polarized states and outer technologies and outer viewpoints and strategies, based in duality and based in beliefs and judgments.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7016/692899pa6.gif

The PTB are doing everything they can to keep us from going within, and I'd say, so far so good.

[LarryC]

<< It is statistically improbable that the statements of the detractors will have any sway upon those who choose a different way of thinking unless they were weak minded to begin with. >>

That's true and I would add that for people who have been around conspiracy type forums for any length of time, the persistence of debunkers around an issue actually gives it more credibility. If certain issues or people are being consistently attacked in a methodical way, it suggests that there may be an orchestrated effort behind it. I wouldn't say that this proves something is true, but it should make you curious at least -why are they so afraid you might believe it?

[StarDust]

The PTB are doing everything they can to keep us from going within, and I'd say, so far so good.

Well stated! "Going within" is the essence of the solution, IMHO.

[Hervé]

The salient point this morning, in my humble opinion, is about either going within and tapping into the power of the divine source field and raising the Kundalini fire of the dijed through the speed of light....

Or, continue in polarized states and outer technologies and outer viewpoints and strategies, based in duality and based in beliefs and judgments.

The PTB are doing everything they can to keep us from going within, and I'd say, so far so good.

Right, since going "within" would handle the Motherf**kers for good! (see post # 2097 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more&p=510320&viewfull=1#post510320) and this thread: : http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38458-Dreamtime-Healing-Using-Holographic-Kinetics/page1 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38458-Dreamtime-Healing-Using-Holographic-Kinetics/page1))

[Chester]

The salient point this morning, in my humble opinion, is about either going within and tapping into the power of the divine source field and raising the Kundalini fire of the dijed through the speed of light....

Or, continue in polarized states and outer technologies and outer viewpoints and strategies, based in duality and based in beliefs and judgments.

The PTB are doing everything they can to keep us from going within, and I'd say, so far so good.

I have a slight modification in my own process. I utilize the technologies related to "going within" and at the same time, voice my views which I direct towards fellow spirit beings whom reside (as an equal to myself) in my outer world experience. That view being summarized by the well borrowed quote from Gandhi - "Be the change you want to see."

Specifically, I do not want to see anyone executed which has been reported to be a very real possibility of this purported plan. Therefore I voice my opposition to the plan.

Having said that, I make it more than 99 - 1 that the plan is a creation of a branch of the world's network of intelligence agencies (which are guided in part by the Masonic elite as well as other secret societies and perhaps influenced by beings beyond the physical human experience), thus those who have been recruited into rolls of spokesman and/or cheerleaders (recall I was a former cheerleader) have been deluded. It is possible that some or all these spokesman are aware that the plan is a psi op but perhaps not.

Now, playing out the possibility that the plan is real (the less than 1 in 100 possibility) then an individual must look at the components of the plan to decide if the individual agrees with these components or not. In speaking strictly for myself, I disagree with the plan because the plan includes the possibility of executions.

I am against executions because in my opinion, that would allow the entity(s) that resides within the target human to escape. In addition, the energy created by executions is the exact type of energy we wish to diminish in our current and future experience on earth, thus to execute anyone is illogical.

I recommend anyone who has been on board with this plan go back to mystery school and get a clue.

I might add (opinion only) that unless one does the inner work, the outer work only throws fuel on the fire... thus it starts from within. In addition, the degree of effectiveness of one's outer work is directly proportional to the success one achieves within.

justoneman

[Chester]

Imagine if it was you... yes, you... who was the actual 100th monkey... the monkey that the world depended upon to be the tipping point in consciousness on earth that makes that single difference as whether or not the sun takes care of the earth problem for the universe...

...and you could not transcend the "us and them" complex.

Amazing how so few seem to get it.

I still bet on humanity because love wins all bets.

Nice enforced guilt trip, Justone... smells of some recruiting program replication...

As for your bet, I am all for it too. However, since there are more and more skull-dwelling zombies and less and less monkeys... odds are high.

Hi Amzer Zo - my intention was not to incite guilt. My intention was to point out that we, collectively create the world we experience and at the same time, the only one in the world experience I have actual, 100% responsibility for, is myself. Thus if I do not do my best to break free of the old paradigm within me which I believe is responsible for me being within this experience in the first place, then how can I possibly expect to see a better world, much less leave the world better for my children?

And it is my view that the specific foundational error within my old paradigm boils down to the fact that I always saw victims and victimizers and very few who seemed outside of that dynamic. And then I realized that if I am honest with myself, the only times I have ever been a victim is when I have allowed myself to be a victim - that I somehow agreed to it at some level of my being... or that I wasn't equipped with what I needed to avoid being a victim. And since I am equally not interested in being a victimizer, I realized that there must be a third component I never considered... that being the role where I am neither victim nor victimizer.

Through my discovery that there could indeed be this third possibility, I suddenly found myself being this third possibility. Once I realized I was, indeed neither victimizer nor victim, I suddenly realized I had transcended the us/them dynamic.

I was simply hoping to share that there is this third possibility and that the more of us who enter into this third form of experience might be the difference maker as to what our collective experience plays out to be.

I used a much shorter set of words to attempt to make that point.

I will try another brief set of words... We have all heard the phrase, "You are your own worst enemy."

When I realized I had transcended the us/them dynamic, the voice inside suggested I alter that phrase to something more applicable to my new point of view.

"Justone... you aren't your own worst enemy, you are your only enemy."

justonegoofball

[Hervé]

Whether done by white, black or any color of hats, executions would still be an immolation to the "gods" as with any war, it doesn't matter who gets killed as long as it's a lot....

Edit:

Justone,

Congratulation on the integration!

[Chester]

Whether done by white, black or any color of hats, executions would still be an immolation to the "gods" as with any war, it doesn't matter who gets killed as long as it's a lot....

and a.) is precisely why I have made the argument against "the plan" ... and b.) which I believe has less than a 1 in 100 chance to actually be a real plan as opposed to being some psi op.

Amzer Zo - thanks again for the Steve Richards tip.

[Avocadess]

And nice summary of recent events is on this ThankYouWhiteKnights YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn7e3wo_9AY&feature=em-uploademail

A very interesting video -- (and this is pretty short) -- came out today with Duncan O'Finian. Check out the "demon cloud" -- whoa...!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIJkgfQPo-s&feature=em-uploademail

[Unified Serenity]

I have mixed feelings about Duncan. I like him and yet I don't necessarily trust him. I find it rather insulting that if anyone criticized what someone who goes into the public arena giving seminars and teaching spiritual warfare is somehow negative and serving their master who apparently is the evil one. Critical thinking is a must. Does it mean not to hope for change that is positive? Of course not, but simply sucking on the pablum filled bottles of presentations geared to create a unified group is dangerous and it is how people accumulate power. It's amazing taht the same people who decry religion are apparently using the same tactics as those used by various religious groups.

Unity is wonderful. Just question the foundation and message. Is it coming from a place of a humble heart and spirit or is it coming from a puffed up arrogant heart. I am not saying Duncan is arrogant or wrong. I am saying that the declaring of others who are examining things critically as negative and serving the source of evil in the universe is not a message I particularly like. I happen to know that Duncan and I come from a very similar spiritual warfare background and he does speak the truth in what we are up against. I am curious if anyone attended that gathering what hands on work did you all do to gain experience? How were the negative entities approached or summoned to do battle against them.

That sort of activity is critical to foundations, and I would like to know what happened at Duncan's event if anyone can share.

[Avocadess]

NOTE: The "summary of recent events" YouTube video (which is really an audio) includes an interview with Bob Dean and clips of Drake, Sheldon Nidle and others. GOOD STUFF...!

A quote from the video with Duncan O'Finian responding to a blogger that accused him and those like him as "spreading false hope":

"Without hope, you've already given up. Without hope, you've already lost....This is not false hope....There is always hope....And we are most certainly not fearmongers." -- Duncan O'Finian

[aranuk]

And nice summary of recent events is on this ThankYouWhiteKnights YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn7e3wo_9AY&feature=em-uploademail

A very interesting video -- (and this is pretty short) -- came out today with Duncan O'Finian. Check out the "demon cloud" -- whoa...!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIJkgfQPo-s&feature=em-uploademail

As Duncan says, if you have no hope you have already given up, if you have no hope you are already lost.
Randy said the people that criticise they don't understand and they are doing the work of the elite/cabal.

Stan

[9eagle9]

I am not altogether certain that Duncan is referring to Drake, Wilcocks and company but it was a nice try.

[A Simple Human]

A very interesting video -- (and this is pretty short) -- came out today with Duncan O'Finian. Check out the "demon cloud" -- whoa...!!!

Fortunately there have been more than just "demon clouds" forming. :thumb: Check this out from August 1, 2011:

Face Seen In Clouds (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/04/face-in-clouds-video_n_918769.html) (Huffington Post)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7XF8SrA1bxI/Tm6CNeSXxJI/AAAAAAAAFpc/QpgDWvbq1nI/s1600/face-in-clouds.jpg

Start the video at approximately 1:20 to see the face form.

gdg6WU_aqWE

[the_vast_mystery]

And nice summary of recent events is on this ThankYouWhiteKnights YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn7e3wo_9AY&feature=em-uploademail

A very interesting video -- (and this is pretty short) -- came out today with Duncan O'Finian. Check out the "demon cloud" -- whoa...!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIJkgfQPo-s&feature=em-uploademail

As Duncan says, if you have no hope you have already given up, if you have no hope you are already lost.
Randy said the people that criticise they don't understand and they are doing the work of the elite/cabal.

Stan

The real question becomes, if understanding is the problem why can the situation not be suitably explained? Asking for support without appraising one of all of the necessary details is the same sort of thing the military does to get their soldiers to carry out missions they might normally object to. You give them a nice sounding cover story, send them in, and only after they're dropped into enemy territory with "no support" is the mission revealed. At that point it's either "do it" or "get left there by HQ."

I feel highly suspicious about anyone professing to be here on behalf of a greater cause yet cannot articulate sufficiently what they are doing, why they are here, and why it is necessary. Yes, there are people who criticize just for criticism's sake but "stupid questions" should be easily dismissed by a well-informed source. After all, if this is really all for the greater good then why can't they tell us everything? If they have such a need for "security" that they have to do the same sort of withholding our government does in the military it really doesn't sound like their organizational structure is any different than ours. (Meet the New Boss, same as the Old Boss...only now with neon skin! ;p)

I'd also say that if these aliens were really so compassionate they would understand fully the type of pain that leads one to be so skeptical. (Being lied to collectively for generations.) Instead they stare at us in amazement and tell us we're the ones doing it wrong? If they understood how people handle these situations they'd know that you do not approach someone with something like a PTSD (or equivalent anxiety disorder) experience by first telling them "You should all just stop right now. Why can't you stop? Why won't you listen to me?!" Which is the tone I'd been noticing in a lot of channeled messages lately.

It's not explicitly said but it's the general mood I get from reading the latest ones. Making comments about how we should just "Hold the light at all costs" and acting as if painful or traumatic experiences can just be immediately wished away displays a very poor understanding of human psychology. If they can't demonstrate sufficient understanding, then it just makes one question their real motives. How can they ask us to help them if they can't even understand us? Doesn't that mean they might, in fact, NOT know what's best for us? Since if they did then would've sent their "light workers" in knowing full well what they were facing. After all, if they exist outside of time they should be able to micro-manage the entire life experience for every person sent in. Sort of like how Ben Affleck in the terrible movie Paycheck was able to use a time viewing device to figure out exactly which items he'd need to give himself to miraculously "save the world."

Seems someone outside of time could plan for all of that stuff, and yet they aren't. They keep asking us to focus on the light and invite them in, might mean they're not in fact who they say they are. Of course, if I turn out to be wrong I'll be the first to apologize. (And I really hope I am wrong) but from where things are standing it just seems like too much doesn't make sense.

[9eagle9]

Inviting anything, higher self/ higher intelligently speaking really a bad idea that sovereign people don't indulge in.

Over the last two thousand (and more) years that is basically what has gotten us in the mess that we are in, by making agreement to certain forms of propaganda. Nothing should be agreed to without full disclosure ---the number one thing that people keep close to hand when attempting to regain sovereignty.

You'd think "faith" would have gotten a bit old by now its old paradigm programming that we should just 'have faith' because someone's story excites us.

It doesn't make sense and you KNOW it doesn't so trust your own knowingness.

[Avocadess]

Thanks to David for letting me know these two following links weren't working. They are fixed now!

And nice summary of recent events is on this ThankYouWhiteKnights YouTube video which includes clips from Drake, Nidle and others as well as a new interview with Bob Dean:

http://alturl.com/v7vr6

A very interesting video -- (and this is pretty short) -- came out today with Duncan O'Finian. Check out the "demon cloud" -- whoa...!!!

http://alturl.com/yjztk

Wishing you the best day EVER..!!

Avocadess

[foreverfan]

God Bless You Bob Dean.

[aranuk]

And nice summary of recent events is on this ThankYouWhiteKnights YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn7e3wo_9AY&feature=em-uploademail

A very interesting video -- (and this is pretty short) -- came out today with Duncan O'Finian. Check out the "demon cloud" -- whoa...!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIJkgfQPo-s&feature=em-uploademail

As Duncan says, if you have no hope you have already given up, if you have no hope you are already lost.
Randy said the people that criticise they don't understand and they are doing the work of the elite/cabal.

Stan

The real question becomes, if understanding is the problem why can the situation not be suitably explained? Asking for support without appraising one of all of the necessary details is the same sort of thing the military does to get their soldiers to carry out missions they might normally object to. You give them a nice sounding cover story, send them in, and only after they're dropped into enemy territory with "no support" is the mission revealed. At that point it's either "do it" or "get left there by HQ."

I feel highly suspicious about anyone professing to be here on behalf of a greater cause yet cannot articulate sufficiently what they are doing, why they are here, and why it is necessary. Yes, there are people who criticize just for criticism's sake but "stupid questions" should be easily dismissed by a well-informed source. After all, if this is really all for the greater good then why can't they tell us everything? If they have such a need for "security" that they have to do the same sort of withholding our government does in the military it really doesn't sound like their organizational structure is any different than ours. (Meet the New Boss, same as the Old Boss...only now with neon skin! ;p)

I'd also say that if these aliens were really so compassionate they would understand fully the type of pain that leads one to be so skeptical. (Being lied to collectively for generations.) Instead they stare at us in amazement and tell us we're the ones doing it wrong? If they understood how people handle these situations they'd know that you do not approach someone with something like a PTSD (or equivalent anxiety disorder) experience by first telling them "You should all just stop right now. Why can't you stop? Why won't you listen to me?!" Which is the tone I'd been noticing in a lot of channeled messages lately.

It's not explicitly said but it's the general mood I get from reading the latest ones. Making comments about how we should just "Hold the light at all costs" and acting as if painful or traumatic experiences can just be immediately wished away displays a very poor understanding of human psychology. If they can't demonstrate sufficient understanding, then it just makes one question their real motives. How can they ask us to help them if they can't even understand us? Doesn't that mean they might, in fact, NOT know what's best for us? Since if they did then would've sent their "light workers" in knowing full well what they were facing. After all, if they exist outside of time they should be able to micro-manage the entire life experience for every person sent in. Sort of like how Ben Affleck in the terrible movie Paycheck was able to use a time viewing device to figure out exactly which items he'd need to give himself to miraculously "save the world."

Seems someone outside of time could plan for all of that stuff, and yet they aren't. They keep asking us to focus on the light and invite them in, might mean they're not in fact who they say they are. Of course, if I turn out to be wrong I'll be the first to apologize. (And I really hope I am wrong) but from where things are standing it just seems like too much doesn't make sense.

I quoted Duncan in reference to a blogger criticising him for giving people false hope. Randy made a comment which I quoted too roughly. But I do realise there could be a correspondance with the Drake situation too. I agree with some things you say, but I don't think Drake knows the details, and if he did I would rather he kept that knowledge secret myself. If the plans were to be made public the Cabal with their supposedly off planet/on planet whatever you want to call them, could easily foil any plans that were in place. I played chess competitively for 30 years and I know that if I told my oponent what my plans were I most likely would lose the game. If your opponent is kept guessing he is restricted in his knowledge of what you are going to do. There are indeed times and occasions when secrecy is paramount and other times when it is not.
With respect to you Vast.

Stan

[gripreaper]

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[Hervé]

The sanest summary of the human condition I have happened to run into:




How one could put a person in an altered state and control their visuals, their smell, their hearing, their feelings and all their senses; how could a person shape shift on the table before your eyes?

How could you move a person back through time and have them move into the "future past", where they could predict the future, one-hundred-percent correctly in the present day, before it occurred.

What is the difference between the spirit and the soul, how can you tell? If I could do this, what could governments do around the world with mind control and could it be reversed? These were just some of the questions that I have been given the key to and more.

Today, I believe our world is being controlled by another dimension that has entrapped the spirit of man into its game; and when you enter the game of another, you are governed by the laws of that game, by the creator of that game.

The spirit of man chose a new game--in the body of molecular, mortal man. When the spirit entered, he was born into amnesia and forgot who he really was, and now the external control came into play. This is where entrapment through manipulation at the highest level was first created, way back in time; it started with initiations and rituals--which were man's free will into their game.

The Aztecs, the Egyptians and most cultures through time, have preformed rituals that "call in" other forces; this is usually repeated lifetime after lifetime to reinforce their control over man within this dimension.

It started when man was offered the keys to knowledge, and to obtain that, through his free will and greed, man entered into secret societies; he was given position, power, and rewarded with financial gain, but what he failed to realize was there was a price to pay--and that was the entrapment of his soul, through dimensions of time.

What they have failed to realize is that there is a "higher law" that covers all of the dimensions, and that is "LORE" [universal knowledge]...this is a way of the supreme creator--which we are all part of--of keeping a balance, as balance is needed for its survival.

Under LORE man is responsible for his thought, word, deed and action; and what ever we choose to create in our reality, we must take responsibility for, and therefore, experience that creation upon ourselves through that dimension of time, as it enfolds back onto itself--360 Degrees--for its completion.

After clearing thousands of people over the last thirty years, I have finally been able to put together the keys to how creation works; how the spirit can be free and how to create your own reality and keep the other forces out of your game.

This I teach my students, and I have found that eighty percent of people, at least, are being manipulated by other forces, and that dimensions are endless; they are all around us, some are sleeping or dormant, but could be awoken at any time. When a dimension is awoken from its sleep, which could be thousands of years later, it becomes active and continues growing where it left off, just as if that trauma, or event, had occurred only five minutes ago.

The client has no idea why they are feeling what they are feeling and cannot control what is occurring, for that dimension had never been dealt with, and therefore it is still active within its own cycle of time, until space/time is enfolded upon that dimension, back to its creation, and changed from ever existing--only then, will it permanently cease to be.

[...]

Wake up world, we are a multidimensional being in a multidimensional world and other dimensions are manipulating men in power, within this dimension, fear them not, for they have violated LORE and can be easily removed.

As for WAR, it violates LORE, Man may defend his family and his being, but if his intent is to kill, then reciprocal exchange of energy will be activated, that gives the spirit of the murdered victim the rights to invade the body of he that killed it and take over that body.

I have had many exViet Vets suffering mental torment for over 40 years, once on the table we have had spirits of Vietcong talking Vietnamese out of that clients body.

Today there are 700.000 American Soldiers suffering mental illness, the second highest death toll in Iraq with the soldiers is suicide, how many have activated reciprocal exchange of energy and are taking the enemy home within their body? These spirits can then get the soldier to commit suicide and it then moves up line, to the superior that ordered its killing. Main stream has no idea of these areas, nor does it know how to clear them, we do! But governments aren't listening. That makes politicians, in positions they took through their free will, that can stop suffering and don't, violate LORE. Therefore they become responsible for the suffering of others, and as no man can escape the cycles of time, they are setting themselves up for experiences of suffering in their own future cycles.

We have cleared hundreds of spirits both animal and human from the field of people, some at times were thrown around the room like a rag doll by these forces and at times prior to Holographic Kinetics had limbs broken by these invading forces.

I believe many men in high places are scared of these forces because they entered into their game and once in the game of another you are subject to the creator of that game through the cycles of time, this can last for eternity in some cases, stuck in ground hog day, never escaping from the game. Until they enfold space/time and break those agreements at their juncture.





Now, for the reason why the real, actual good ETs cannot do a bloody eff'n thing and why Alex Collier keeps repeating that baby sitting has never worked and never will; and therefore anyone asking for our agreement to come in to "help" is only going to generate more troubles:



Steve: One of the alien…sorry there, I was just going to say the point you point out there I think it’s very important for people to understand. Because too many people out there, remember, these, these beings that have been manipulating our world have been around for thousands of years. They’ve been manipulating people at the very highest level, so our world has actually been run for thousands of years.

But the only way it can get in, through lore, is by agreement. So all these people, when they’re calling in the Gods, their guides, and everything else outside of their reality, are giving power outside of themselves to something outside themselves.

The key is inside yourself. It’s with your Spirit. It’s not outside yourself. The positive beings out there in other dimensions, they know, you cannot interfere with the evolvement of the species. The moment you interfere with the evolvement of a species you enter the game, the moment you enter the game you’re subject to laws of the game, and then you’re trapped in the game.

The moment you enter someone else’s game, you’re subject to the laws of that game. Everything in that dimension is in what I call the torus field of that dimension. While you’re in your own field, you’re in your own field. The moment you enter someone else’s space, and someone else’s game, you become subject to the laws of that game. And that’s how you have all these secret societies.

You told me about that incident before with the mother and rituals. I guarantee she would have had something manipulating her because, when they get to that higher level of manipulation, the human species believes that what they’re doing is right.

Because these beings are manipulating the brain waves of these humans to justify what they’re doing is right. I’ve had people that have sacrificed their own children at rituals, believing it was right.

Who’s putting the program in there to believe its right? When your brain is being manipulated by another dimension then, you’ll justify it in any form or any way, because they’re manipulating you into that justification that this is right.

These beings are violating lore and they can be dealt with. Anything that defies laws of LORE can be dealt with.

The above quotes are excerpted from Steve Richards website: http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html (http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html)

and his interview on "Off Planet radio" by Randy Maugans, Duncan O'Finioan, Miranda kelly and Annalie Cummings (Artemesiaspeaks):

Download MP3s:
Part 1 (http://www.divshare.com/direct/18152999-ed7.mp3) (right click and ‘Save As’ to download)
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[SilentFeathers]

It's amazing how different and well I feel after distancing myself from the thread and subject matter for the last 36hrs, and not thinking about it or being involve in this "distraction" and hearsay nonsense any more....perhaps something like coming off of an addiction to bath salts or some other nasty drug is the best way I can subscribe it.....

I made the right choice for "me" concerning this matter...... and for sure feel less polluted.

Added:
When there comes to light any evidence more than hearsay and gossip, or anything other than what I perceive to be as made up stories, perhaps I may then somewhat believe in such a scenario of ET's etc saving the world, LOL! Until then this is just what it is; another deception and or hearsay.

[Sebastion]

Thank you Amzer Zo. This post connected many dots and clarified things for me. This is, in my view, one of the most significant articles I have seen on Avalon and is most important to understand and be aware of! Again my thanks for posting it!




The sanest summary of the human condition I have happened to run into:




How one could put a person in an altered state and control their visuals, their smell, their hearing, their feelings and all their senses; how could a person shape shift on the table before your eyes?

How could you move a person back through time and have them move into the "future past", where they could predict the future, one-hundred-percent correctly in the present day, before it occurred.

What is the difference between the spirit and the soul, how can you tell? If I could do this, what could governments do around the world with mind control and could it be reversed? These were just some of the questions that I have been given the key to and more.

Today, I believe our world is being controlled by another dimension that has entrapped the spirit of man into its game; and when you enter the game of another, you are governed by the laws of that game, by the creator of that game.

The spirit of man chose a new game--in the body of molecular, mortal man. When the spirit entered, he was born into amnesia and forgot who he really was, and now the external control came into play. This is where entrapment through manipulation at the highest level was first created, way back in time; it started with initiations and rituals--which were man's free will into their game.

The Aztecs, the Egyptians and most cultures through time, have preformed rituals that "call in" other forces; this is usually repeated lifetime after lifetime to reinforce their control over man within this dimension.

It started when man was offered the keys to knowledge, and to obtain that, through his free will and greed, man entered into secret societies; he was given position, power, and rewarded with financial gain, but what he failed to realize was there was a price to pay--and that was the entrapment of his soul, through dimensions of time.

What they have failed to realize is that there is a "higher law" that covers all of the dimensions, and that is "LORE" [universal knowledge]...this is a way of the supreme creator--which we are all part of--of keeping a balance, as balance is needed for its survival.

Under LORE man is responsible for his thought, word, deed and action; and what ever we choose to create in our reality, we must take responsibility for, and therefore, experience that creation upon ourselves through that dimension of time, as it enfolds back onto itself--360 Degrees--for its completion.

After clearing thousands of people over the last thirty years, I have finally been able to put together the keys to how creation works; how the spirit can be free and how to create your own reality and keep the other forces out of your game.

This I teach my students, and I have found that eighty percent of people, at least, are being manipulated by other forces, and that dimensions are endless; they are all around us, some are sleeping or dormant, but could be awoken at any time. When a dimension is awoken from its sleep, which could be thousands of years later, it becomes active and continues growing where it left off, just as if that trauma, or event, had occurred only five minutes ago.

The client has no idea why they are feeling what they are feeling and cannot control what is occurring, for that dimension had never been dealt with, and therefore it is still active within its own cycle of time, until space/time is enfolded upon that dimension, back to its creation, and changed from ever existing--only then, will it permanently cease to be.

[...]

Wake up world, we are a multidimensional being in a multidimensional world and other dimensions are manipulating men in power, within this dimension, fear them not, for they have violated LORE and can be easily removed.

As for WAR, it violates LORE, Man may defend his family and his being, but if his intent is to kill, then reciprocal exchange of energy will be activated, that gives the spirit of the murdered victim the rights to invade the body of he that killed it and take over that body.

I have had many exViet Vets suffering mental torment for over 40 years, once on the table we have had spirits of Vietcong talking Vietnamese out of that clients body.

Today there are 700.000 American Soldiers suffering mental illness, the second highest death toll in Iraq with the soldiers is suicide, how many have activated reciprocal exchange of energy and are taking the enemy home within their body? These spirits can then get the soldier to commit suicide and it then moves up line, to the superior that ordered its killing. Main stream has no idea of these areas, nor does it know how to clear them, we do! But governments aren't listening. That makes politicians, in positions they took through their free will, that can stop suffering and don't, violate LORE. Therefore they become responsible for the suffering of others, and as no man can escape the cycles of time, they are setting themselves up for experiences of suffering in their own future cycles.

We have cleared hundreds of spirits both animal and human from the field of people, some at times were thrown around the room like a rag doll by these forces and at times prior to Holographic Kinetics had limbs broken by these invading forces.

I believe many men in high places are scared of these forces because they entered into their game and once in the game of another you are subject to the creator of that game through the cycles of time, this can last for eternity in some cases, stuck in ground hog day, never escaping from the game. Until they enfold space/time and break those agreements at their juncture.





Now, for the reason why the real, actual good ETs cannot do a bloody eff'n thing and why Alex Collier keeps repeating that baby sitting has never worked and never will; and therefore anyone asking for our agreement to come in to "help" is only going to generate more troubles:



Steve: One of the alien…sorry there, I was just going to say the point you point out there I think it’s very important for people to understand. Because too many people out there, remember, these, these beings that have been manipulating our world have been around for thousands of years. They’ve been manipulating people at the very highest level, so our world has actually been run for thousands of years.

But the only way it can get in, through lore, is by agreement. So all these people, when they’re calling in the Gods, their guides, and everything else outside of their reality, are giving power outside of themselves to something outside themselves.

The key is inside yourself. It’s with your Spirit. It’s not outside yourself. The positive beings out there in other dimensions, they know, you cannot interfere with the evolvement of the species. The moment you interfere with the evolvement of a species you enter the game, the moment you enter the game you’re subject to laws of the game, and then you’re trapped in the game.

The moment you enter someone else’s game, you’re subject to the laws of that game. Everything in that dimension is in what I call the torus field of that dimension. While you’re in your own field, you’re in your own field. The moment you enter someone else’s space, and someone else’s game, you become subject to the laws of that game. And that’s how you have all these secret societies.

You told me about that incident before with the mother and rituals. I guarantee she would have had something manipulating her because, when they get to that higher level of manipulation, the human species believes that what they’re doing is right.

Because these beings are manipulating the brain waves of these humans to justify what they’re doing is right. I’ve had people that have sacrificed their own children at rituals, believing it was right.

Who’s putting the program in there to believe its right? When your brain is being manipulated by another dimension then, you’ll justify it in any form or any way, because they’re manipulating you into that justification that this is right.

These beings are violating lore and they can be dealt with. Anything that defies laws of LORE can be dealt with.

The above quotes are excerpted from Steve Richards website: http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html (http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html)

and his interview on "Off Planet radio" by Randy Maugans, Duncan O'Finioan, Miranda kelly and Annalie Cummings (Artemesiaspeaks):

Download MP3s:
Part 1 (http://www.divshare.com/direct/18152999-ed7.mp3) (right click and ‘Save As’ to download)
Part 2 (http://www.divshare.com/direct/18153032-794.mp3) (right click and ‘Save As’ to download)

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[Ishtar]

I don't like Holographic Kinetics, because it's a lot of the same old, same old, old time religion. The person is walking around quite happy and suddenly they're told that they have this massive problem which cannot be independently verified and that only a Holographic Kinetics practitioner can solve it. It's not much different, in that respect, to those old medicine shows where the faith healers would claim to rid you of devils.

It's disempowering for the individual to have to go get help from someone else for a problem they didn't know they had and have no way of independently verifying.

I do however agree that the heart/torus is the answer to ridding oneself of any unwanted entities, how ever they got into one's energy field. But it can be done by a very simple and quickly yourself, by following a simple meditation known as The Ecstasy of the Heart, which gets you straight into the vortex within the torus of the heart field.

My own experience is that once I'd practised the Ecstasy of the Heart meditation a few times, I'd managed to get deep enough into the vortex so that the entities jumped out. I saw and heard them go. And now after this, I am totally clear. I don't have to keep staying in my torus/heart field, as the HK people recommend, because none of these entities can get back into your energy body once you've activated this technique as you're now operating on a different frequency, and it's one they can't mesh with.

So here is the more self-empowered way for ridding yourself of any unwelcome entities. It's very easy to practice and it's extremely blissful which is why it's called the Ecstasy of the Heart, and I learned it from shaman Tom Kenyon (http://tomkenyon.com/the-emergence-of-multiple-chaotic-nodes).


Basic method
This first method is for those unfamiliar with the vastness of their own inner consciousness. It is simple but highly effective.

We recommend you regularly cultivate this coherent state in the garden of your mind.

To accomplish this, you simply reside in the feelings of appreciation or gratitude, without any reason to do so. In other words, you are not looking to something in your environment or your life to feel appreciation or gratitude for. You simply enter into this vibratory state for no other reason other than choosing to do so.

This vibratory state creates a coherency in your body and mind, and it is a type of mental/emotional upliftment that acts as a counter-balance to the downward spiral many humans will be experiencing.

We recommend that you enter this emotional state several times a day. Just a minute or two is all that is needed, but by entering into this vibratory state throughout the day, you train your brain/mind/body to enter into a coherent state at will.

Many of you will find greater opportunities for frustration in your daily life. This is because actions taken will increasingly not lead to the result anticipated. Even those of you who are intellectually gifted and masters of manifestation may find blocks and unanticipated hindrances, due to no causation on your part, but rather due to the actions or inactions of others, as well as unanticipated problems caused by the increase of chaotic events in the world around you.

Thus, when you find yourself at your wit’s end, so to speak, if you have cultivated the positive attractor of appreciation or gratitude you can use it to intervene into your own emotional turmoil, for if you succumb to your own emotional stress, the contagion of mass hysteria is more likely to reach you.

Think of this simple technique as a lifesaver. It’s something passive, you just rest in it, and it creates a vibratory field that by its very nature protects your emotional and spiritual essence.


The Advanced Technique
The second technique we wish to share is for those of you who are more experienced with your inner worlds.

The technique involves focusing on the physical heart, not the heart chakra, and while focusing your attention on the physical heart you enter into the state of appreciation or gratitude (just as with the simple method we gave earlier).

The effect of holding your awareness in the physical heart while experiencing appreciation or gratitude creates bliss or ecstasy if you hold the two together long enough.

Once you enter bliss or ecstasy, you become aware of the space between the atoms of your body and your environment. This is a shift of mental attention and is based on the quantum reality that physical matter is over 99% space.

Obviously, you do not perceive this space between the atoms of your body and your immediate environment through your physical senses due to the limitations of your nervous system. But the non-local aspect of your consciousness that is unfettered by the limitations of your physical reality can experience this space.

The final stage of this technique involves a shifting of attention. As you become aware of this space in your body and the space around you, you perform a paradoxical feat of consciousness. You send the appreciation and gratitude you are experiencing, both to the space within your body and to the space around you, as well to the particles of matter that comprise your body and the world around you.

This “holding” of both space and matter in the vibratory realm of appreciation or gratitude will eventually reveal your nature as both an embodied and un-embodied being—as a being living through a physical body or form and simultaneously as a consciousness unbounded by form. If you persist with this method, it will eventually open a miraculous doorway for you, a doorway that leads to profound insights.

Choosing your method

In regard to choosing which method to use, we suggest you begin where you are.

The first method, though simple, is highly effective at protecting you from the contagion of human irrationality and will lift you upward into the currents of the upward spiral, even as those around you spiral downward.

When you feel you are ready, you can explore the advanced method. This is not a marathon race to see who can get to the advanced method the quickest.

The only thing that is required is that you reside in appreciation or gratitude as often as possible without causation. This simple vibratory realm will be a great ally to you as you pass through the current planetary transition state.

These techniques are very simple and anyone can do them.

I hope you will find, as I did, that even on first practise of the most basic technique, it makes a huge qualitative and quantitative difference to you, and how you feel, and also to your environment. It will not only raise the vibrational state for you and your family, but it will also affect, for the good, everyone around you.

[SilentFeathers]

Just another perspective.....

The great Alien Hoax and the UFO community, a highly complex situation
http://noriohayakawa2012.blogspot.com/2012/06/great-alien-hoax-and-ufo-community.html

From the article:


However, after all these years, the bottom line in my view is that we have yet to come up with a single, physical, solid, hard, tangible, publicly acknowledged irrefutable evidence whatsoever that we have ever been (or are being) visited by physical (biological) extraterrestrial entities piloting or maneuvering physical extraterrestrial spacecraft of any kind.

That is the bottom line.

I am not saying that the UFO phenomenon does not exist.
In fact, I believe that the phenomenon is real.
As I stated in the begining, one of the most highly respected researchers in the world today, Dr. Jacques Vallee, also emphatically states that the phenomenon is real.
However, Dr. Vallee cautions us, as I stated in the beginning, that we cannot assume that this phenomenon has to do with extraterrestrial visitations.

I am also simply saying that empirical science as we know it (the only discipline available so far that we can rely on to determine a physical existence of a phenomenon) has not come up with any single, concrete evidence to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that "UFOs" are "nuts-and-bolts" physical craft operated or manipulated and/or occupied by physical (biological) entities from advanced extraterrestrial civilizations.

This is why I came to believe that the entire phenomenon could even be some form of a religious manifestation or a religious manipulation by a power which we cannot comprehend simply by physical pursuit, a power which apparently is capable of presenting an "instant" (but only "temporary") appearance or illusion of being a physical phenomenon to the observer.

Some suggest that it could even be a momentary, holographic intrusion from some form of "parallel intelligence".
Some others even suggest that it could perhaps be some form of "time-slip", interdimensional "accident".
We just do not have the answer at the present time.

But having said all this, again here is the big question.
What about the government's position on all this?
I do believe, as I stated in the beginning, that the government and the military are just as much perplexed about this puzzling phenomenon as the public.
Will there be any disclosure by the government?
Absolutely not, because the government will never be able to explain to the public the non-physical (or many call it the "paranormal") aspect of this phenomenon.
If there ever will be a disclosure some day, it will only come from those intelligences themselves, if they exist.

[Anchor]

(Read more about that here (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?3086-The-Entertainment-Division-of-the-Military-Industrial-Complex))

I tried to follow that link. It says I am banned.

-- Update --

No longer banned. I had not read an important email that needed me to take action in order to stay a member. Bloody spam trap - nothing sinister

[Ishtar]

Hi Anchor, I've just sent you an email explaining the following:

Hello Anchor

I sent out emails to those, like yourself, that joined in January, asking if they would like to remain as a member when we reopened in March, and I only activated the accounts of those that said Yes.

You were among those that didn't reply.

I don't know (and ought to find out!) how to deactivate an account without banning the person.

But that's why you were banned.

I have now reactivated your account, so you're free to read and post.

Thanks,


Ishtar

[9eagle9]

Let me guess, it was Godlike Productions?

Post update:

Damn, no guessing before coffee for me.



(Read more about that here (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?3086-The-Entertainment-Division-of-the-Military-Industrial-Complex))

I tried to follow that link. It says I am banned.

[Hervé]

Damn!

It's so old that it managed to survive 60,000 years uninterrupted... that's Atlantis to Rome civilizations... 6 times over!

[Bo Atkinson]

I don't like Holographic Kinetics, because it's a lot of the same old, same old, old time religion. The person is walking around quite happy and suddenly they're told that they have this massive problem which cannot be independently verified and that only a Holographic Kinetics practitioner can solve it. It's not much different, in that respect, to those old medicine shows where the faith healers would claim to rid you of devils.

It's disempowering for the individual to have to go get help from someone else for a problem they didn't know they had and have no way of independently verifying.

I do however agree that the heart/torus is the answer to ridding oneself of any unwanted entities, how ever they got into one's energy field. But it can be done by a very simple and quickly yourself, by following a simple meditation known as The Ecstasy of the Heart, which gets you straight into the vortex within the torus of the heart field.
...(snip).....[/URL].



This seems like an interesting development of discussion, here or anywhere....

"It's disempowering for the individual to have to go get help from someone else ........."

Perhaps those words says plenty. Why can we not build our own reality and a fulfilled being? Why can't we engineer our expereince to a sublime perfection? Why do we need something external? Why do we stumble to get entangled, with anything?

There are always independent verifications available, by looking for the 'fruits', within a community. Are the fruits accessible, in the first place? How long does a harvest last? At least some caution makes sense with ticket sellers of agreements. Yet the Hologrphic Kinetics clarifies the agreement part in advance. It is more-freely and 'independently' accessible, on line, before agreements are plunged into. Plus it has some independent note takers-- Comparing notes here on Avalon. A work in progress. That i like. To hear of any positive or negetive experience.

I appreciate all the links to hear of this or see that, from Avalonians. Whose fruits we might gradually come to appreciate, or not, or more or less, here or there. As the case may be, for now or then, as time passes by.

My latest-greatest appreciation is White Wolf's presentation, (linked here) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46630-The-Healing-Path-Session-3-Protection-Frequencies-Symbols&p=510605#post510605).... Were the villan-victimizers seem to be bombarding our energies... The recomended visualization construct seemed to work for me after woking up my own visualization.

Any worse or better than the torus or other geometry? I always loved geometry visualizations.... Perhaps it is just spontaneous combustion of fresh inspiration. Or live and free exchange of ideas! Perhaps it draws people back to discussions and helps one make their day.

[9eagle9]

I'm not a practitioner of it but I see many of the facilitation I do in my own work (or used to before I threw in the towel) that I verify do work. I do that sort of work on myself daily.

You don't have to be a practitioner of HK to do that sort of work, as long as you do that sort of work. HK is just that sort of work presented more comprehensively.

You aren't getting help from anybody who facilitates that sort of work, you have someone who facilitates or guides you through your own work. Most people not havng a clue of deeply they are entrenched in their own programming wouldn't have a clue how to begin to process what doesn't belong to them, Or as I say "People can't see their own ****."

HK won't work anymore than anything else if you don't do the work.

[Hervé]

As for the so-called "civilizations" that particular tradition survived through 6 times over in spite of being hunted down through all continents by said same "civilizations":




Posted by Amzer Zo (here) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=489950#post489950)
[...]

Twilight Of The Psychopaths

by Dr. Kevin Barrett
Spanish version (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_ponerology09.htm)

from TheCanadian (http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/) Website

“Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it.”
– John Lennon, before his murder by CIA mind-control subject Mark David Chapman


Civilized people, we are told, live peacefully and cooperatively with their fellows, sharing the necessary labour in order to obtain the leisure to develop arts and sciences. And while that would be a good idea, it is not a good description of what has been going on in the so-called advanced cultures during the past 8,000 years.

Civilization, as we know it, is largely the creation of psychopaths. All civilizations, our own included, have been based on slavery and “warfare.” Incidentally, the latter term is a euphemism for mass murder.

The prevailing recipe for civilization is simple:
1. Use lies and brainwashing to create an army of controlled, systematic mass murderers
2. Use that army to enslave large numbers of people (i.e. seize control of their labour power and its fruits)
3. Use that slave labour power to improve the brainwashing process (by using the economic surplus to employ scribes, priests, and PR men). Then go back to step one and repeat the process.

[...]

Continue here: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...nerology08.htm



... wash it out... rince... repeat.

[gripreaper]

Ishtar, I've been to Tom Kenyon's workshops, listened to him tone the primordial sound of the heart, and when it resonates through everything, it's absolutley amazing what happens.

I'm also in agreement with both of you, that when one blows holes in their energy field, or makes agreements, and astral entities enter your field as parasites, then those energies need to be extricated. How that is done is secondary in my book.

I'm also in total agreement with both Ishtar and AmberZo, that once you have a clear field from outside forces, one must still work on clearing their own antiquated beliefs out of their chakras in order to maintain a torus which is infused with energy all the time, and into which no entity can enter when fully charged.

I have no energy parasites who try and enter my field, and yet I am not totally clear in all of my chakras. For example, I'm still holding something in my second chakra which makes it difficult for me to generate my own fire, and it has been my nemesis this entire incarnation, came in with it through my previous lives DNA imprints.

I would use any modality which would help me to get to the past life memory which imbedded this imprint, experience the catharsis necessary to set the blocked area in my chakra spinning, and reunify that energy into the whole.

[LarryC]

Drake will be giving an update in a few minutes - 1 pm EST

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/global-voice-2012-radio-network

[gripreaper]

Drake will be giving an update in a few minutes - 1 pm EST

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/global-voice-2012-radio-network

Who wants to transcribe? The opening song is "Changes" by Loggin's and Messina. Have not been able to find it on You Tube. Anyone found it anywhere?

[Chester]

Inviting anything, higher self/ higher intelligently speaking really a bad idea that sovereign people don't indulge in.

Over the last two thousand (and more) years that is basically what has gotten us in the mess that we are in, by making agreement to certain forms of propaganda. Nothing should be agreed to without full disclosure ---the number one thing that people keep close to hand when attempting to regain sovereignty.

You'd think "faith" would have gotten a bit old by now its old paradigm programming that we should just 'have faith' because someone's story excites us.

It doesn't make sense and you KNOW it doesn't so trust your own knowingness.

How does one ever really know for 100% sure whose knowingness one is trusting? And I am not implying it cannot be known... but I truly wonder, how does one "know" anything ever for 100% sure?

It's my view that in a realm that contains multiple spirit beings, be they in physical, 5 sense, 3D form or not, one still comes across the choice of trusting another or not.

Even if one is completely and entirely alone - one still comes across the experential component of trust - "I am trusting myself" or I am trusting my "inner self" or I am trusting "God" or whoever/whatever one might call it ...

The very nature of life entails some risk, some degree of trust and then sometimes a degree of being burned.

I cannot see life being without the property of this particular dynamic.

justoneview

[gripreaper]

FIRST HOUR

Some inside intel from Drake. Drake heard that this coming week, the rulers are going to vote on a UN resolution to mobilize all countries, an agreement of the G20 meeting where they decided some of this stuff.

WE now have a situation where we are going to need some action from the military and civilians.

The bank of international settlements has been closed because of the Keenan liens.

By Monday or Tuesday we will hear if the military is on board, and they need to call Drake to get support. We need to take action now.

Drake wants anyone who is in a command position of large groups to be ready at a moment’s notice.

WE do know where the money is at and we will be collecting it.

The provocation of Agenda 21 being agreed to by many nations, Drake feels, are not really agreeing to it.

Drake has not been this upset in a long time. Drake would much rather give his life than live as a slave. Drake is ready, and will be patient till Tuesday morning. No more excuses at that point.

The military’s main concern is rioting. Drake recommends we do not riot. Do not provoke and engage. If you are being hauled off, go limp; join arms, which makes you 3 times as heavy.

Drake is going to put up a pdf. on his website, followed up by a directive, that everybody get ready. Looks like the elite are going to try and bring the war to us on our streets.

When you have unauthorized treaties and executive orders, under the UN, which is a foreign entity on US soil, they are not authorized and are out of uniform, and need to be reminded of such.

The business at hand is that we are out of time. If Drake does not see some action, or is not notified, then he recommends that we the people take action on our own. When a government becomes untenable, then it is our duty and right, according to the Constitution, to remove “said” individuals.

Drake has been in contact with Lady Dragon, and she has been told by the ET’s that they are at the ready.

They built FEMA camps for us, Drake thinks it’s time we put them in those camps.

Drake wants Lady Dragon to bring us the “Cosmic News” between Wed and Sunday, by COBRA which tells of the actions the ET’s are taking “Operation Stardust 2” which goes into the cabal and paralyze them or kill them.

We tried to give them a chance to peacefully surrender, but they refused (to contact Lady Dragon?)so the Pleiadian contingent as per COBRA took action with operation Stardust 2.

According to the Cosmic Law or whatchamacallit thingy, Lady Dragon says this was a preventative action.

Jeff has a wonderful website and he has a report that we should keep in touch with. He had Kevin Trudeau on his show and everybody knows Kevin has been fighting the government. He knows that aliens are here.

Lady Dragon says google is censoring her because they don’t want her telling us and spreading the world about what is really going on with the ET’s. the cabal doesn’t want us to know that the aliens are here, so they are trying to stop Lady Dragon from getting the word out.

According to Lady Dragon, if you see a spaceship, it’s the good aliens because all of the bad aliens are gone. Go explain to your neighbors what’s going on. A lot of people are getting together for summer holidays, so talk to your family and friends about the aliens and the mass arrests and how to get ready.

That’s why the aliens did the Stardust “thingy” to protect us according to Lady Dragon! She is in touch with COBRA, she is in touch with Drake and you can contact her if you need more information.

Minuteman is now on: If there are riots, we need to reach down with integrity and do the right thing. We need to support the militia and protect the infrastructure of our towns. Be grateful for the help you are getting. Minuteman will be instructing the militia’s to help.

Although minuteman is not real up to speed on ET’s, he’s going to keep an open mind about it.

Also, remember the disinfo agents are out there, so you need to keep an open mind and stay tuned with us.

That's about as much as I can handle in my energy field. I'm trying to remain neutral but the synapses in my brain are firing like crazy and my BS meter is going off big time. I've spent years collating the big picture on this planet, and my mind can't handle the perturbations.

[NancyV]

So far Drake is basically promoting a revolution. If the military doesn't do what he says they've agreed to do by Tuesday, then he's suggesting that people revolt. He also says he's NOT suggesting that people revolt, then he again suggests that they DO revolt. Of course we don't know that 90% of the military EVER agreed to do anything like this, but those of us who know something about the military know that the likelihood of the veracity of this claim is slim to none.

Thank goodness the ET's are going to roll out Operation Stardust! Lady Dragon and Cobra say it's so...so it must be true. It's now legal for the ET's to do this. Lady Dragon said Cobra says all the bad aliens are gone! Yayyyyy....so please don't shoot any aliens when they come since they're all friendly. I sure hope they bring along their manual "To Serve Man"...Too bad it's a COOKBOOK. LOL.. But they are only here to HELP us, that's why they're rolling out Operation Stardust. I think I'm feeling a bit underwhelmed!

Rick....don't know who he is although it seems like he's coordinating the militias...is talking about how we should behave during the revolution and not to get caught in rioting. I wonder if these guys have ever seen a revolution? It tends to get a bit messy. Rick says we should help the militias who will be guarding the infrastructure. Rick doesn't know anything about ET's but he's going to keep an open mind and accept help from wherever it comes. Rick mentions the disinfo agents. I wonder if that includes anyone who doesn't buy their story and is saying they are LIARS or at the best FOOLS?

I can't listen to anymore of this crap, it's starting to nauseate me. I've got a lot of good science fiction and fantasy books that are a lot more well written than this scenario. If this revolution happens in a few days I'll have to laugh at my lack of "Belief", but until it happens I'll continue to regard it as utter nonsense!

[Unified Serenity]

Nancy V is a disinfo Agent - Check

Of course she is, anyone who questions Drake is a disinfo agent and working to enslave mankind. Nancy, please check into the nearest re-education camp for your own good. You know you want to feel love and light, and the kool-aid is free!

[Billy]

Has anyone seen this report

Is It A Real Revolution Or Just A Mass Delusion – David Wilcock, Drake Bailey, Ben Fulford And The New Reality Of Internet Fantasy –

Read more here.


http://thecritical-post.com/blog/2012/06/is-it-a-real-revolution-or-just-a-mass-delusion-david-wilcock-drake-bailey-ben-fulford-and-the-new-reality-of-internet-fantasy-tcpchicago/

If anyone is in the chatroom of the radio show could you post the above link. Chatroom is full.

Peace

[Ishtar]

Wow! With all due respect to Avocadess, this thread just got a whole lot more interesting since Gripreaper and Nancy V are doing the Drake updates!

Keep up the good work, guys!

Please, give us more...

Best laugh I've had in ages, thank you....

PS I really cannot understand why the cabal didn't go surrender to Lady Dragon! What were they thinking?

[Unified Serenity]

This seems appropriate:

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[Avocadess]

This is the link you can click on now to join today's show with DRAKE (and our own Kimberley as host -- or maybe today it is Denise?):

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/global-voice-2012-radio-network/2012/06/24/gvr--drakes-vital-weekend-update--sunday?utm_source=BTRemail&utm_medium=ShowReminder

"Life" kept me away from the show until just now...!!

FYI: The show began at 12:00 Noon Central Time and continues until 3 o'clock Central Time. (Right now is a short break with the song "We are the World" being played...)

Questions from callers is starting now. Denise said that there are 59 callers on the line (though some of those may have only called to listen rather than to ask questions).

[foreverfan]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/6/5/03a3f29b-f121-45ea-b0a4-03c683b36f40.jpg

[Avocadess]

Some notes from today's show with Drake:

Asked WHY the military is taking so long, Drake gave some history about the papers filed for the majority of States in the U.S. which authorizes the military, with civilian authority, to take their actions. The problems have been logistical thus far, but Drake has been asked by his source(s) in the Pentagon to get the message out to the People. "The majority of the people were not paying attention to another conspiracy theory ooey kind of thing," said Drake. "The people that were dealing with me specifically were in agreement that radio shows of these type....[could] let people know that freedom was in their grasp."

Drake went on to talk about how the government has become a get-rich-while-you-can sort of scheme.

He said that due to the urgency of the present situation he is calling for ACTION (of the military). He then clarified that this is NOT a "greenlight" situation yet.

Asked how to keep a sane and level head through all this, besides having survival foods, etc., Drake spoke again of the importance of civilian militia where it is good to have people with some military experience as coordinators (rather than commanders).

The Plan was compared by a caller to a chess game, saying that people need to understand that there is no script because how we can get there continues to change. Drake agreed and said that there are a lot of people in the military that need to be enlightened as to the difference between what has been done in the past and what is taking place now. "It is a fluid plan so that it can be adaptable," he said, but Drake is also saying to the military, "It's time. Let's do it," and said for all he knows he may miss his own next radio show due to civilian militia duties he may become involved in soon.

Worldwide listeners have been asking about potential arrests in their countries. Drake said, "Take a look around and see who is visiting" and "a government that is run by the people and for the people" should be a consideration because unless they are it's probably going to be a problem. He said that no, he has not been briefed on the current situations in other countries.

Q: What happened to the 157-country alliance that came together that were supposedly going to step up together (aka Eastern Alliance)?

Drake: That's still there. "It's primarily a global-based monetary equity system" that provides transparent banking system. He said that alliance is still strong.

Next caller: Wants to know if the papers were "recognized by The Hague and Drake said "Yes."

Next caller: Randy from North Carolina called to thank Drake and nominate him as a Head General for what we are about to go through. He said we all need to come together with our energies and pointed out a website called "2012 Scenario" that he felt had a good article called something like, "The lights go down and the curtains go up."

[Sadly, there is still a lack of professionalism on these shows with a bit too much dead air...]

Next caller, Brian, said that many of us have faith or trust in Drake's words although we do not think of him as a messiah, etc. He said there are so many posts of "stupid stuff" and many people are starting to doubt. Brian went on to give his reasons for why he stands up for Drake and then asked about the Olympics 2012 and ETs, Andromeda Council, Galactic Federation of Light, etc. -- just asking for general clarification(s). He also asked about the Neal Keenan case and any updates that may be available.

Drake said if you are a quarterback on a football team you don't tell 'em what you are going to do. That is, it's a better strategy not to reveal everything ahead of time, though Drake is in frequent contact with Keenan.

[Ishtar]

Thanks for the link, Peace.

Here's an extract that struck me.

BACK TO THE HEGELIAN DIALECTIC

It’s very simple to understand the propaganda mechanism. Have two diametrically opposed sides of an argument, argue, then when the subjects of the propaganda are frustrated enough with the dialogue, offer the solution to the problem. Therein lies the performances being put forward by members of the “Light Workers” and “Patriot” Movements.

Who is driving the dialectic? Major media channels. It would seem that the fantasy world being purported by the unwitting dupes within the Light Worker/Patriot movement community have served their purpose well for those in charge of the money supply and world governance.

We have not been able to find out who has been propagating the origins of the myths surrounding those folks doing the “channeling”, as it were, by what it appears quite succinctly, is that there is a mass delusion taking place, aided by the Internet using sympathetic websites, and the use of You Tube videos. This delusion from all appearances is one of the largest we’ve ever witnessed.

[gripreaper]

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7016/692899pa6.gif

[Unified Serenity]

Did you hear that? Drake will let us know when to move, when to follow his instructions! They don't want people jumping the gun again. Again? Did something happen? Did the revolution start here in the great US of A?

Wait, wait for it.... Drake will tell us... ah yes he has several sources and things are "are coming ready to break loose, pop. We were very close last week, but we are continuing the process of negating these people's power."

Phew, I didn't miss it.

Grabs the popcorn....

[Unified Serenity]

I had to bust out laughing..... Drakes wisdom of we need someone with a Military background, could be a corporal like he was, and E4. LMFAO and effin E4? Guess this genius was too good for the war college and studying and following orders. He says he got busted down, and yet they found he was capable of command situation under fire. Really, any proof of his fire fight command performance? He doesn't care about death.... yeh right. How can anyone fit into the same room with this clown and his ego?

[marique3652]

And nice summary of recent events is on this ThankYouWhiteKnights YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn7e3wo_9AY&feature=em-uploademail

A very interesting video -- (and this is pretty short) -- came out today with Duncan O'Finian. Check out the "demon cloud" -- whoa...!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIJkgfQPo-s&feature=em-uploademail

As Duncan says, if you have no hope you have already given up, if you have no hope you are already lost.
Randy said the people that criticise they don't understand and they are doing the work of the elite/cabal.

Stan

The real question becomes, if understanding is the problem why can the situation not be suitably explained? Asking for support without appraising one of all of the necessary details is the same sort of thing the military does to get their soldiers to carry out missions they might normally object to. You give them a nice sounding cover story, send them in, and only after they're dropped into enemy territory with "no support" is the mission revealed. At that point it's either "do it" or "get left there by HQ."

I feel highly suspicious about anyone professing to be here on behalf of a greater cause yet cannot articulate sufficiently what they are doing, why they are here, and why it is necessary. Yes, there are people who criticize just for criticism's sake but "stupid questions" should be easily dismissed by a well-informed source. After all, if this is really all for the greater good then why can't they tell us everything? If they have such a need for "security" that they have to do the same sort of withholding our government does in the military it really doesn't sound like their organizational structure is any different than ours. (Meet the New Boss, same as the Old Boss...only now with neon skin! ;p)

I'd also say that if these aliens were really so compassionate they would understand fully the type of pain that leads one to be so skeptical. (Being lied to collectively for generations.) Instead they stare at us in amazement and tell us we're the ones doing it wrong? If they understood how people handle these situations they'd know that you do not approach someone with something like a PTSD (or equivalent anxiety disorder) experience by first telling them "You should all just stop right now. Why can't you stop? Why won't you listen to me?!" Which is the tone I'd been noticing in a lot of channeled messages lately.

It's not explicitly said but it's the general mood I get from reading the latest ones. Making comments about how we should just "Hold the light at all costs" and acting as if painful or traumatic experiences can just be immediately wished away displays a very poor understanding of human psychology. If they can't demonstrate sufficient understanding, then it just makes one question their real motives. How can they ask us to help them if they can't even understand us? Doesn't that mean they might, in fact, NOT know what's best for us? Since if they did then would've sent their "light workers" in knowing full well what they were facing. After all, if they exist outside of time they should be able to micro-manage the entire life experience for every person sent in. Sort of like how Ben Affleck in the terrible movie Paycheck was able to use a time viewing device to figure out exactly which items he'd need to give himself to miraculously "save the world."

Seems someone outside of time could plan for all of that stuff, and yet they aren't. They keep asking us to focus on the light and invite them in, might mean they're not in fact who they say they are. Of course, if I turn out to be wrong I'll be the first to apologize. (And I really hope I am wrong) but from where things are standing it just seems like too much doesn't make sense.

This totally resonates with my line of reasoning and I could not have said it any better. I have many questions that have not been given solid believable answers at this point and I find it to be a great concern for me. Thank you for sharing your thoughts here, I was very happy to read it and realize that I am not the only one thinking along that line. My analytical mind has been screaming at me with much of the "new age" materials I have been reading, and alarms bells are ringing in my head as well. How much do we REALLY know about the galactics called "the good guys", other than what we have been told by channelers and people claiming they go up to their ships and etc. Since it has been clearly demonstrated not all channelers share reliable information, for me that is a major concern. I also think it is very curious how the whole channeling phenomena crept into our everyday consciousness and society and how belief in what channelers share seems to be in on the increase. Maybe it is just because I am so old, lol, that what was once considered as highly questionable is now accepted as fact, even without physical or verifiable truth and my question is WHY.

Why are people more willing to believe things just on someone's say so, such as channelers who say they are speaking the words and thoughts of aliens, ascended masters, archangels, you name it....I find that very interesting and am trying really hard to figure it out. Very curious phenomena for an "enlightened" and progressive society. Is this generation being decieved on purpose or being groomed for some upcoming event where humankind is supposed to react in a certain way? Myths that were discarded centuries ago are coming back as viewed as fact like fairies, sylths, and all sorts of unseen entities....Wish I knew the answer to why all of a sudden people are beginning to believe in previously debunked stuff or myths again? Are all the chemicals and crap in the air making us regress and become less intelligent, and is that for a purpose we do not presently know about?

I guess the largest confusion I have is to why people in general are more than willing to believe in the benevolent space family scenario and eat it up like cotton candy and even refer to various aliens as their family and if you say anything negative or questioning then they jump all over you about insulting their family, lol. These same people that are chastising you for not accepting aliens wholeheartedly are not willing to accept the possibility that the actual physical contact that someone may have had with tangible aliens with a "self serving and nonbenevolent agenda" i.e., (abductions, cattle and human mutilations, etc) is called bull**** and the abductees are called delusional? Odd....There is far more physical evidence of bad alien contact than good, so what gives? I am an abductee so you will understand my reluctance to believe everything attributed to "aliens". I mean the government trusted the grays as being peaceful and respectful of human rights, and that was sure a joke. Americans were victimized while the PTB looked the other way and could have cared less that people were collateral damage. Therefore I believe that many abductees will have a hard time with believing the words of channelers and people like Drake and many others.....After being victimized for nearly a lifetime it is hard to blindly trust entities not from earth in my book. It is equally difficult for me to believe my fellow mankind for the most part, lol, because people lie for endless reasons..So how do I know that Drake, David W, Anonomous, etc are telling the truth? Guess I do not do blind trust well at all!! Guess I am just a questioning person whose mind wants to know all the ins and outs before believing anything. But that does not necessarily make people like me a bad person or unenlightened, it just makes us what I would called guarded and cautious. Being cautious of the unknown is not a bad thing in my estimation. Would you jump into a pool before you knew if there was water in it. Would you drink something out of a glass if you were not sure what was in it? Things to think about.

Sorry for the ramble, these thoughts have been building up in my for a long time...Thanks for listening.

[Unified Serenity]

Oh gosh, he could miss the show next week cause he might be on guard duty, LMFAO. Dear god, a revolution vs. Drake's radio show. He magnanimously would miss a show to pull guard duty. I'm all a flutter waiting while I listen to the nail biting drama. This is great theatre, fun show.

Passes out popcorn and malted milk balls.

[SilentFeathers]

The stories coming unglued at the seams fast.....All I here is doubletalk and more BS;
I think my theories about this whole thing holds more weight than anything drake says,
Nothing more the PTB would love is for people to listen to Drake and act when he says act in order so they can test out some of these new laws and legislation that they have put in place the last few years....

This is beyond ridiculous IMO....negative? not me, but this drake stuff is...I'll repeat myself, these folks are playing a VERY dangerous game.....

[Unified Serenity]

Silent feathers, please don't get all a flutter. Those who support Drake are so on the fringe with the nuts and berries crowd to the drunk red neck lookin for any fight. I can imagine the initial boot stompin and chewin tabacco spitting kerfuffle and it will be over in oh.... give it 1 hour of actual "revolution". Most will be poppin a top laughing at these nutjobs.

[9eagle9]

Risk means trust is absent. It's easy to trust any old arse that wanders down the pike because we want to. Getting burned depends on how much of our self identity and our selves into any given proposition.

There's people I WANT to trust...but I can't.

we find it hard to trust ourselves because we don't have our knowingness.



Inviting anything, higher self/ higher intelligently speaking really a bad idea that sovereign people don't indulge in.

Over the last two thousand (and more) years that is basically what has gotten us in the mess that we are in, by making agreement to certain forms of propaganda. Nothing should be agreed to without full disclosure ---the number one thing that people keep close to hand when attempting to regain sovereignty.

You'd think "faith" would have gotten a bit old by now its old paradigm programming that we should just 'have faith' because someone's story excites us.

It doesn't make sense and you KNOW it doesn't so trust your own knowingness.

How does one ever really know for 100% sure whose knowingness one is trusting? And I am not implying it cannot be known... but I truly wonder, how does one "know" anything ever for 100% sure?

It's my view that in a realm that contains multiple spirit beings, be they in physical, 5 sense, 3D form or not, one still comes across the choice of trusting another or not.

Even if one is completely and entirely alone - one still comes across the experential component of trust - "I am trusting myself" or I am trusting my "inner self" or I am trusting "God" or whoever/whatever one might call it ...

The very nature of life entails some risk, some degree of trust and then sometimes a degree of being burned.

I cannot see life being without the property of this particular dynamic.

justoneview

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Line dancing anyone?


Silent feathers, please don't get all a flutter. Those who support Drake are so on the fringe with the nuts and berries crowd to the drunk red neck lookin for any fight. I can imagine the initial boot stompin and chewin tabacco spitting kerfuffle and it will be over in oh.... give it 1 hour of actual "revolution". Most will be poppin a top laughing at these nutjobs.

[gripreaper]

Oh Drake, there has been a lot of information from the Andromedian Council, The Galactic Federation of Light, the Pleiadian Council, The Central Sun, Sheldon Niddle, SaLuSa and others, and it's hard to tell which info we should be listening to. Could you tell us which of this info is correct and we should be listening to?

Drake didn't answer it. I just cleaned the coffee off my keyboard once I got up from falling out of my chair.

[9eagle9]

(snort, snicker) Yer SUCH A bitch!!!!

Hand over them milk duds.


Did you hear that? Drake will let us know when to move, when to follow his instructions! They don't want people jumping the gun again. Again? Did something happen? Did the revolution start here in the great US of A?

Wait, wait for it.... Drake will tell us... ah yes he has several sources and things are "are coming ready to break loose, pop. We were very close last week, but we are continuing the process of negating these people's power."

Phew, I didn't miss it.

Grabs the popcorn....

[Unified Serenity]

Comment on show: "GAIA is to be protected at all costs is the wisdom of the galactic family! " So, they allow billions of oil and corexit to be released..... with friends like this we don't need no freakin enemies!

This is the worst rescue group ever! Keystone cops comes to mind:

iRlZaSWocQk

[Avocadess]

Drake was just now talking about how "militia" is NOT just about guns. It's also about just taking care of others with food, water, etc.

I'm not taking notes at the moment as I am on hold to call in and ask a question...

[Ishtar]

Did I imagine that Drake said earlier that the Bank for International Settlements had had to close because of Neil Keenan's liens? If so, at last he's said something we can easily check out. Because if the BISS has closed, no-one will be able to cash a cheque or get any money out of ATMs as from tomorrow. The banks won't be able to honour any money transactions without the BISS and the whole house of cards will crash as soon as Japanese markets open tomorrow morning.

Of course, Drake is lying and of course, he's trying to cause a run of the banks. That would push up the price of all those silver coins he's been hoarding very nicely thank you.

[gripreaper]

Did I imagine that Drake said earlier that the Bank for International Settlements had had to close because of Neil Keenan's liens? If so, at last he's said something we can easily check out. Because if the BISS has closed, no-one will be able to cash a cheque or get any money out of ATMs as from tomorrow. The banks won't be able to honour any money transactions without the BISS and the whole house of cards will crash as soon as Japanese markets open tomorrow morning.

Of course, Drake is lying and of course, he's trying to cause a run of the banks. That would push up the price of all those silver coins he's been hoarding very nicely thank you.

Yes Ishtar, it's in the first hour transcript I did. I was transcribing verbatim. I have dual monitors, so I can type, listen, watch the chat room, monitor Avalon's Drake thread, eat popcorn and laugh out loud all at the same time.

I do find it hard to keep coffee from blowing out my nose though when I'm laughing real hard.

[Avocadess]

I disagree with you on Drake's plans and intentions, Ishtar, but then I guess that goes without saying.

I'm still holding to ask a question on the show but if there are 64 people ahead of me in line....well, I'm holding anyhow because I think many people just call the number to listen in.

Website recommended for those with debt issues: knockoutdebtcollectors.com

Okay. Now the recent caller made me realize what I was calling about was already covered on the show before I started listening. I was going to ask about Alex Jones's alarmist video regarding the military in St. Louis. Here's the link for that video but before I give it to you I want to mention that a friend of mine researched this and discovered that Jones was blowing the story out of proportion CONSIDERABLY by saying all references to this story had been removed from the Internet. NOT TRUE. Anyhow, from what I just heard Drake say I take it that Drake sees the military in St. Louis as quite possibly being "good guys" (though I don't think he really knows):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT43UbndIVs

[Ishtar]

Yes Ishtar, it's in the first hour transcript I did. I was transcribing verbatim. I have dual monitors, so I can type, listen, watch the chat room, monitor Avalon's Drake thread, eat popcorn and laugh out loud all at the same time.

I do find it hard to keep coffee from blowing out my nose though when I'm laughing real hard.

Great job, GripReaper! Best live commentary by far in this thread, I'd say!

[gripreaper]

Oh No, he just said that you might end up with a free house if you go to what lies in your debt.

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae73/stephanietregear/Animated%20GIFS/GIF_027.gif

[9eagle9]

We're sorry we keep bustin' up your Black Panther Party.

[Ishtar]

I disagree with you on Drake's plans and intentions, Ishtar, but then I guess that goes without saying.

Yes it absolutely does, Avocadess. I assumed you'd have me on your ever-growing ignore list.

Anyway, I hope you to get to the head of the queue to ask your question and we get to hear your voice.

I hope you know I have nothing against you ... on the contrary, mostly the reason that I'm critical of Drake is because he's conning lovely people like you.

[9eagle9]

What lies in your debt?

What lies are in your debt?

How does anything lie in your debt. Is something laying in your debt?

Or is this an awkward way of expressing that we have a secret hidden credit column on the private side of our bank/ loan account.

What's in YOUR wallet? Because I carried a Capitol One card for years and no sexy long haired Rhorrihim came charging out to rape and pillage in the store when I used it.

Must be me.



Oh No, he just said that you might end up with a free house if you go to what lies in your debt.

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae73/stephanietregear/Animated%20GIFS/GIF_027.gif

[Avocadess]

Now they are talking about Japan and the nuclear problems there. The entire Japan island(s) is being slowly nuked, as Drake put it. Some of its release has made it to Canada, U.S. and Europe, and debris from the tsunami is beginning to arrive and warns to be leery of that debris.

[Unified Serenity]

This is what I see as the command authority of Drake:

N3rBDe-17Ts

See, no need to worry Silent Feathers....

More milkduds?

[Avocadess]

Next caller Missy asked about the military, "Isn't it like asking the Cabal to arrest itself?" Drake said, "No."

"They know everybody is now looking and they are reading" and they know what their parameters are of what they can or cannot do in the military.

"From my understanding this all did go through the military like a house on fire," said Drake, "and I'm glad that it did." He mentioned a number of resignations and forced retirements that have recently happened in the military. "I would suggest that we are in better shape than they [the Cabal] think," said Drake.

Drake said that NESARA is going to be implemented whether anybody likes it or not. (Although he is speaking of the original version of it -- and points out that it is to be done in such a way as to avoid as much chaos as possible.)

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I think Drake is going to start a new Freedom Club type scam.

[gripreaper]

What? Only few cases where the military can engage civilians? Has he read the Patriot Act or the NDAA?

[9eagle9]

I think I just sprayed coffee all over the place....At least I hope it was coffee.

There's so much masturbation going on in this forum its hard to tell if Im going or coming.



Now they are talking about Japan and the nuclear problems there. The entire Japan island(s) is being slowly nuked, as Drake put it. Some of its release has made it to Canada, U.S. and Europe, and debris from the tsunami is beginning to arrive and warns to be leery of that debris.

[Unified Serenity]

I disagree with you on Drake's plans and intentions, Ishtar, but then I guess that goes without saying.

Yes it absolutely does, Avocadess. I assumed you'd have me on your ever-growing ignore list.

Anyway, I hope you to get to the head of the queue to ask your question and we get to hear your voice.

I hope you know I have nothing against you ... on the contrary, mostly the reason that I'm critical of Drake is because he's conning lovely people like you.

Amen to that sistah

[Hervé]

https://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pPXnd8gbZsaZY_HBsaH43kmqd3xkzKTcQUcGl4HISoOsuL_EjJ0Qae9QO3i6XgLARDgyxeL_igmFrl190pouskA/faaf9cd2875dd6bb824b71343738728e_0_30286100201320104296.jpg?psid=1

[Avocadess]

Someone called in to share a biblical perspective. "The country is coming back and it will come back....and if we these people that we have in power now that are the bad guys...do not fulfill biblical prophecy....what's left of the Cabal will shift its power toward Europe." He said, "Look for a glorious day here in the States."

Drake said, "You cannot have freedom of will unless it is able to be freely expressed." He went on to speak of the importance of freedom of speech, including that of those he disagrees with.

[Unified Serenity]

I think I just sprayed coffee all over the place....At least I hope it was coffee.

There's so much masturbation going on in this forum its hard to tell if Im going or coming.



Now they are talking about Japan and the nuclear problems there. The entire Japan island(s) is being slowly nuked, as Drake put it. Some of its release has made it to Canada, U.S. and Europe, and debris from the tsunami is beginning to arrive and warns to be leery of that debris.

skype me hun, I'll give you a clue.... roflmaopmp

[gripreaper]

Someone called in to share a biblical perspective. "The country is coming back and it will come back....and if we these people that we have in power now that are the bad guys...do not fulfill biblical prophecy....what's left of the Cabal will shift its power toward Europe." He said, "Look for a glorious day here in the States."

http://www.disclose.tv/imageCache/Buddy_Jesus__39317.jpg

[Avocadess]

Drake spoke of what has been going on financially with Greece and Spain and said that removes a majority of the base powers "these people" have enjoyed for centuries.

Drake spoke of other countries that have been hungry for freedom before the United States was even born, and by watching us they are seeing some of their own capabilities.

"I'm a human being and I deserve a certain amount of dignity," said Drake. "I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore, just like that old movie [Network with Faye Dunaway] says."

[9eagle9]

That's good news. Do you think one of them will make an honorable woman out of me.

What position is the Patriot Act?


What? Only few cases where the military can engage civilians? Has he read the Patriot Act or the NDAA?

[NancyV]

Did I imagine that Drake said earlier that the Bank for International Settlements had had to close because of Neil Keenan's liens? If so, at last he's said something we can easily check out. Because if the BISS has closed, no-one will be able to cash a cheque or get any money out of ATMs as from tomorrow. The banks won't be able to honour any money transactions without the BISS and the whole house of cards will crash as soon as Japanese markets open tomorrow morning.

Of course, Drake is lying and of course, he's trying to cause a run of the banks. That would push up the price of all those silver coins he's been hoarding very nicely thank you.

Yes Ishtar, it's in the first hour transcript I did. I was transcribing verbatim. I have dual monitors, so I can type, listen, watch the chat room, monitor Avalon's Drake thread, eat popcorn and laugh out loud all at the same time.

I do find it hard to keep coffee from blowing out my nose though when I'm laughing real hard.
Yes, Drake said "the BIS (Bank of International Settlements) has been closed because of Neal Keenan's lien".

I also have dual monitors and love multi-tasking! Don't know how I could live without them now! Of course I probably will be thinking about other more important things in a couple of days when the revolution starts, like whether or not I'll be cast into the central sun to have my soul destroyed and removed from the entire creation....since if I don't support this plan to overthrow the evil cabal guys I'll probably be judged as an accomplice or enabler. Better go get prepared for non-existence! Hmmm....how DO you prepare for non-existence?

I wonder if my posts on Avalon will disappear? Do you think my children will even remember that they had a mother? Or maybe my entire line will also disappear. These are some very important questions because if a person has never existed how could their progeny exist? If their progeny also disappears then the ET's are going to be eliminating a lot of people who are entirely innocent, unless the ET's judge that responsibility or karma is transferred genetically or generationally. Oh well, I suppose we just need to trust the ET's since only the good ones with our best interests at heart remain. (do they even have a heart?)

[Billy]

Who is winning

[Avocadess]

The next caller asked Drake, "I know what shell-shock is and I'm not looking for a violent revolution in America....What gives?"

Drake said the good guys of the military may knock on your door just to check on you -- not to extract you. "Telling the good guys from the bad guys is simple." Those who extract people from their homes "ain't the good guys. The good guys are not going to do that." You can also tell, he said, from the insignia they are wearing. I believe he said there should be stars and stripes on their insignia (sorry, missed exactly how he said that).

Same caller, Sinclair, asked Lady Dragon why she censors her chatroom. Lady Dragon said "he is being selective in his question. The chatroom is there for people to bring positive information" and explained how he has been trashing her, Drake and others.

Next caller said he is seeing a pattern of the Cabal going for "divide and conquer" and asked Drake to comment on that.

Drake said, "Yeah....That's one of the forms of political activity that is common....I don't disallow someone to make a comment to me, no matter how funky it might be....I have no problem with it. If someone wanted to exercise true freedom...one is personal and the other is the situation where you go out and try to make sure that other people become aware. This is the greatest responsibility to someone who is patriotic to whatever nation they may be in....making sure that the public servants are seeing to the good of the people."

[SilentFeathers]

Lady Dragon just set that guy straight! lol DONT BE NEGATIVE LOL!

[gripreaper]

Lady Dragon just set that guy straight! lol DONT BE NEGATIVE LOL!

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7016/692899pa6.gif

Love ya man! You got any more of those milk duds?

[Avocadess]

Asked if the banks will be immediately be closed down if direct action is taken at the beginning of the week, Drake eluded a clear answer, although admitting that would be a possibility.

The hostess of the show spoke of a new document that will be momentarily -- or very soon -- will be available on Drake's website, www.americannationalmilitia.com

[gripreaper]

Breaking from Drake Chat.

HUGE protest in Mexico, major news blackout!!!

[edit]

http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2012/06/24/the-largest-public-protest-is-happening-right-now-in-mexico-total-media-black-out/

[Avocadess]

Drake took a look at troop movement in the U.S. "Some of the people that have been identified as principles in some of the items that are happening, I'm going to start putting out several different links and whatnot....and send to the appropriate people."

One last question: Will we expect this to hit mainstream media in the next couple days?

Drake said he would like that but he does not know the answer to that question. "I'd say that the military needs to take action immediately."

End of show. Next show is Wednesday, with the hostess saying, "Relax, and just be prepared."

****

Bring in the clowns now. =)

[Khaleesi]

The next caller asked Drake, "I know what shell-shock is and I'm not looking for a violent revolution in America....What gives?"

Drake said the good guys of the military may knock on your door just to check on you -- not to extract you. "Telling the good guys from the bad guys is simple." Those who extract people from their homes "ain't the good guys. The good guys are not going to do that." You can also tell, he said, from the insignia they are wearing. I believe he said there should be stars and stripes on their insignia (sorry, missed exactly how he said that).



So I have to open my door and look at their insignia and give them a chance to 'extract' me before I know if they are good or bad? He's kidding, right?

[Unified Serenity]

LMAO...... I had to pause it and just heard the Lady Dragon talking about the problem with this caller was he asks selective questions and is negative..... OMG this must be the motto of the Most worshipful Drake society.

God, this is funny.

[NancyV]

The clowns actually just concluded their entertainment with the end of the Drake show.

[Unified Serenity]

The next caller asked Drake, "I know what shell-shock is and I'm not looking for a violent revolution in America....What gives?"

Drake said the good guys of the military may knock on your door just to check on you -- not to extract you. "Telling the good guys from the bad guys is simple." Those who extract people from their homes "ain't the good guys. The good guys are not going to do that." You can also tell, he said, from the insignia they are wearing. I believe he said there should be stars and stripes on their insignia (sorry, missed exactly how he said that).



So I have to open my door and look at their insignia and give them a chance to 'extract' me before I know if they are good or bad? He's kidding, right?

Shut up Khaleesi, logic and symplicity will NOT be tolerated. Go join NancyV at the re-education facility and ask for extra Kool-aid.

Milk dud?

[SilentFeathers]

Now they (drake and co) have to MAKE something happen to give themselves any credibility (or seem credible).....like I said , the story is coming unglued.

I am astonished there are still some that won't even doubt Drake, it's mind boggling to say the least.

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

This thread is now 110 pages long.

Could any of you explain why?

I mean, why people began to believe him in the first place?

He came out of nowhere; we don´t know anything about him or his past; he didn´t show any actual reason to believe him.

Please, don´t get me wrong. I don´t want to derail this thread but I had to ask this question.

Am I missing something here, or there really isn´t any reason to believe him at all?

Is there anything at least a little bit solid to substantiate his claims?

This is a very intriguing phenomenon.

Every year a new character shows up in the alternative media, saying a lot of stuff without any substance, a lot of people believe him, 100+ pages threads like this are created and then when his claims don´t materialize, he disappears and another similar character takes his place.

This is a recurrent situation, that´s for sure.

So, is this just another "blind believing" thread or is there something tangible to discuss without the need of speculation?

I find it very dangerous for people to believe a person without really questioning the reasons this person should be trusted in the first place.

So, is this where the alternative media is right now? People don´t need to build trust and credibility to be part of it anymore? Is this just a matter of getting vetted by a well known alternative media character to magically be considered a reliable source of information?

If this is the case, this is really bad. Lending credibility is just another marketing strategy to sell products; you can see this strategy being used in 90% of all TV commercials out there.

Raf.

[gripreaper]

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg62/scaled.php?server=62&filename=disappointment.gif&res=landing

[Unified Serenity]

Hey folks,

This thread is now 110 pages long.

Could any of you explain why?

I mean, why people began to believe him in the first place?

He came out of nowhere; we don´t know anything about him or his past; he didn´t show any actual reason to believe him.


Raf.

Now now Raf, don't be so negative! Drake told us he was an E4 in the military and quite capable of command decisions under fire! He is our next George Washington don't cha know.

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I personally find the ongoing information from the most worshipful Command decision capable Drake society most amusing, and wouldn't for a minute miss this entertainment.

Keep it coming!

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And hey, I just want it known I have had 11 countries visit my blog today! I am a worldwide influence, LOL.

[Referee]

I want to believe Drake is telling the truth. I however, am skeptical. We have seen no signs of anything on MSM except for St Louis military build up. Which could be anything. My biggest problem with him is his use of incorrect grammar while speaking. It dosn't add up. I am troubled by the fact that these people could go this far with a story if it is not true. I am still on the fence and feel hopeful that this thing could happen For everyone sake Somethin Has To Happen. I am getting to the point of extreme frustration with the general public for not taking action and for our leaders to not take action. There is some piece of the puzzle we do not know some kind of threat that maybe very hard to stop something there holding over the heads of most nations. I just wonder what it is?

People in the government can not be this stupid to not see the soft kill, food medicine just about everything soft kills us.

I have been feeling very alone latley my girlfriend won't listen to anything I say. She tells me I am stupid to listen and monitor, and post alternative media. People just do not want to look at it. I think its calld Stockholme Syndrome.

After a year and a half on this forum I am growing in frustration. I try to post things that will awaken people. I have No Idea if it makes a difference. I need to do more possibly hand out dvd's everyday to people. Something more...............................

Frustrated Ref :wizard:

[9eagle9]

Yeah basically you figure out they are bad guys if you are extracted.

Now if you don't answer the door and its a good guy out there, that will be duly noted as resistance and you will be sent with NancyV into the Central Sun.

don't worry I'm going to pack margaritas for you two.


And milk duds. Due seriously the sun is hot so don't let them melt.



The next caller asked Drake, "I know what shell-shock is and I'm not looking for a violent revolution in America....What gives?"

Drake said the good guys of the military may knock on your door just to check on you -- not to extract you. "Telling the good guys from the bad guys is simple." Those who extract people from their homes "ain't the good guys. The good guys are not going to do that." You can also tell, he said, from the insignia they are wearing. I believe he said there should be stars and stripes on their insignia (sorry, missed exactly how he said that).



So I have to open my door and look at their insignia and give them a chance to 'extract' me before I know if they are good or bad? He's kidding, right?

[Chester]

I think I just sprayed coffee all over the place....At least I hope it was coffee.

There's so much masturbation going on in this forum its hard to tell if Im going or coming.


Now they are talking about Japan and the nuclear problems there. The entire Japan island(s) is being slowly nuked, as Drake put it. Some of its release has made it to Canada, U.S. and Europe, and debris from the tsunami is beginning to arrive and warns to be leery of that debris.

skype me hun, I'll give you a clue.... roflmaopmp


wow ... hahahah can I watch? sorry... but I didn't start this

[NancyV]

Now they (drake and co) have to MAKE something happen to give themselves any credibility (or seem credible).....like I said , the story is coming unglued.

I am astonished there are still some that won't even doubt Drake, it's mind boggling to say the least.
I am occasionally astonished that I'm still astonished that there are so many naive and trusting people out there. You would think we would have gotten used to it and just accept it as par for the course. If any kind of mass enlightenment is going to happen, let's hope it happens within our lifetime. Speaking of "hope"...one of Drake's ending statements was he "hopes that the military does what it's supposed to do". So now he's reduced to HOPE from his initial statement that 90% of the military and the pentagon were ready to roll.

By the way, I lied when I said I couldn't listen anymore. After stopping listening to the Drake dog and pony show because of nausea....I went back after recuperating for about 15 minutes. So I got to hear all the important news and advice. Why am I listening to the Drake show if I think he's a liar??
1. Because I can
2. Because it's entertaining in a trainwreck sort of way (only if you're entertained by trainwrecks)
3. I like calling bullpucky on those who continually shovel bullpucky (everybody's got to have a hobby)

[gripreaper]

2. Because it's entertaining in a trainwreck sort of way (only if you're entertained by trainwrecks)

Driving on the freeway yesterday stuck in traffic, backed up for miles, lunging a few feet then hitting the brakes, and after several hours of this, I finally get up to what is causing the backup and you know what it is?

Some little fender bender on the side of the road. NOT ONE person did not slow down to look at it and could care less that the traffic was backed up for ten miles.

I put my Don Henley CD in the fabulous CD player I have in my fantastic leather interior, cranked it up, put my foot into all those horses under the hood and kept going!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNC4FHR4XLA

[Khaleesi]

The next caller asked Drake, "I know what shell-shock is and I'm not looking for a violent revolution in America....What gives?"

Drake said the good guys of the military may knock on your door just to check on you -- not to extract you. "Telling the good guys from the bad guys is simple." Those who extract people from their homes "ain't the good guys. The good guys are not going to do that." You can also tell, he said, from the insignia they are wearing. I believe he said there should be stars and stripes on their insignia (sorry, missed exactly how he said that).



So I have to open my door and look at their insignia and give them a chance to 'extract' me before I know if they are good or bad? He's kidding, right?

Shut up Khaleesi, logic and symplicity will NOT be tolerated. Go join NancyV at the re-education facility and ask for extra Kool-aid.

Milk dud?

Q6o3qTykxKU

[Molope]

I dont see the point of people coming here to say they are frustrated of see what other people think.If you want someone to listen to you then try to have a nice talk nothing agressive.Im not Pro yet i do like to see what others think and i do respect it.

PD:I woud like to tell to Unified Serenity that if Drake is your George Washington i must remember that if USA won the Independence war was because of France and Spain intervening in that war so who is going to Aid USA this time? I let the question there...

Best Wishes Molope

[9eagle9]

Serious post:

(no really...it is)

After much reflection this afternoon....In all honesty with all the other sorts of infiltration the alt media experiences, not to mention the nine dozen infiltration drama's going on at any given time in this forum, there's really nothing to be done but to know them what they are. Of course those who have volunteered willingly to play a role in those dramas don't want to see this, they want a 'new movie of the week' sort of excitement.

It's just the wheat separating from the chaff, and while the chaff blows after the next 'drama party' the wheat will be able to see each other through the dust. Necessity at work, all one needs to do is observe whom is doing what, who is wheat and who is chaff. In the meantime the only thing really you can do is have fun with it.

Now back to the milk duds.

[Unified Serenity]

This needs to be the opening to Drake's shows:

NzlG28B-R8Y

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2. Because it's entertaining in a trainwreck sort of way (only if you're entertained by trainwrecks)

Driving on the freeway yesterday stuck in traffic, backed up for miles, lunging a few feet then hitting the brakes, and after several hours of this, I finally get up to what is causing the backup and you know what it is?

Some little fender bender on the side of the road. NOT ONE person did not slow down to look at it and could care less that the traffic was backed up for ten miles.

I put my Don Henley CD in the fabulous CD player I have in my fantastic leather interior, cranked it up, put my foot into all those horses under the hood and kept going!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNC4FHR4XLA

Perfect video!

I needed a good laugh today, Drake was just the comedy zone ticket!

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I dont see the point of people coming here to say they are frustrated of see what other people think.If you want someone to listen to you then try to have a nice talk nothing agressive.Im not Pro yet i do like to see what others think and i do respect it.

PD:I woud like to tell to Unified Serenity that if Drake is your George Washington i must remember that if USA won the Independence war was because of France and Spain intervening in that war so who is going to Aid USA this time? I let the question there...

Best Wishes Molope

I am in a very sarcastic mood and will attribute your lack of understanding me to what appears to be a bit of a language barrier. Drake is about as much of a George Washington as Abbot and Costello are serious dramatic actors. Oh, they were great comedians, but I don't think they would have pulled off Independence Day or Brave Heart as well as the other actors did! Milk Dud?

[Zencat]

I thought that this was one of the most entertaining Sunday mornings in a long time. No mass arrests, just mass entertainment, I guess .....

Far better than going to church to listen to some boring homily.

Wait .... I don't go to church! :doh:

[Hervé]

Very sobering thought to consider the staggering reality that some, say, 70% of a population are staunch supporter of their programming programmers and don't even bother being bugged by the likes of a Drake since most are glued to their TeeVee. Then, to witness that the remaining 10-15%, the ones sitting on the fence, can be spun a yarn a la Drake/David Wilcock without a blink... my oh my... it' become more than a Herculean job to get the sleeping ones to even stop snoring for a few seconds.

[gripreaper]

I thought that this was one of the most entertaining Sunday mornings in a long time. No mass arrests, just mass entertainment, I guess .....

Far better than going to church to listen to some boring homily.

Wait .... I don't go to church! :doh:

And it was quite entertaining and I was beside myself through most of it. I want those here to know that it is not at their expense. After several months of this and this thread being quite civil and respectful, it is bound to go to comedy at some point.

Yet now I'm feeling sadness. Our world is experiencing the extremes of polarity and these extremes are showing up here at Avalon on many threads. Yes, this is a necessary step for the spiral of creation to enfold and expand into a new reality, so please don't anyone take it personal.

It's birth pangs and growth pangs, all wrapped up into one.

[Avocadess]

And then there are those who think that those who are sleeping are the ones that are naysayers of Drake, Wilcock, et al....

[9eagle9]

Because you've never had another point of reference to look from besides being asleep. Moving from dream to dream whilst asleep is not awakening its moving from dream to dream.

It's like the first level Reiki apprentice who suddenly has to go out and correct the Dalai Lama before the ink is dried on their certificate and let the Lama know how unwake he is because they got first a clue of how energy is moved.

[gripreaper]

Just came out Friday. Not much for the Madonna statue on the table, but the message is pretty good.

wfBmCIIKUhM


Published on Jun 22, 2012 by ShamanStarseed

Melody from "Ye Jacobites By Name" traditional Scottish folk song which goes back to the Jacobite Risings in Scotland (1688--1746). My version is based on the version by Robert Burns 1791.

Americans By Name (words by Shaman Starseed 6-21-12)

Americans by name, give and ear, give an ear,
Americans by name give an ear,
Americans by name of treason I proclaim,
As a nation we've been framed into wars into wars
As a nation we've been shamed by these wars!
What is right and what is wrong, by God's laws, by God's laws,
What is right and what is wrong by Gods laws,
I'll tell you what is wrong?
We've cowered far too long!
So stand up and be strong, by God's laws, by God's laws!
So stand up and be strong by God's laws!
We have been hypnotized by the news, by the news,
We have been hypnotized by the news!
We have been hypnotized by blatant evil lies,
They're traitors in disguise, own the news, own the news,
They are traitors in disguise who own the news!

To wage these foreign wars, we have died, we have died,
To wage these foreign wars we have died!
To wage these foreign wars
That c
orporations have endorsed
And the media's been forced
To feed us lies, feed us lies!
The media's been forced to feed us lies!

In two thousand and one, we were fooled, we were fooled,
In two thousand and one, we were fooled!
In two thousand and one, goodwill it was undone
They lied to everyone to go to war, to go to war,
They lied to everyone to go to war!

Three towers did fall down, to the ground, to the ground,
Three towers did fall down to the ground!
Three towers did fall down
But the truth was turned around
What explosives have been found
They won't tell, they won't tell!
What explosives have been found they won't tell!

Operation Northwoods, was a plan, was a plan,
Operation Northwoods was a plan.
Go Google it when you can,
Read that Kennedy would not stand,
To kill Americans to go to war, go to war,
To kill Americans to incite war!

So they shot JFK down, took his life, took his life,
They shot JFK down, they took his life!
They shot JFK down, 'cause upon their wars he frowned,
Because he stood his ground
The CIA did betray,
Because he stood his ground they did betray!

Two million people died in Vietnam, Vietnam,
Two million people died in Vietnam!
Two million people died
'Cause our government they lied!
And caused mass homicide in Vietnam, Vietnam,
They caused mass homicide in Vietnam!

Two million people died in Iraq, in Iraq,
Two million people died in Iraq,
Two million should not have died,
But our government they lied,
And caused mass homicide in Iraq, in Iraq,
They caused mass homicide in Iraq!

Operation Northwoods was a plan, a devious plan,
To fake jet highjackings a devious plan!
Google it when you can,
So you can understand
How 9-11 was a scam by the powers in command,
To betray their fellow man, a devious plan!

Americans by name, give and ear, give an ear,
Americans by name give an ear,
Americans by name of treason I proclaim,
As a nation we've been framed into wars into wars
As a nation we've been shamed by these wars!
What is right and what is wrong, by God's laws, by God's laws,
What is right and what is wrong by Gods laws,
I'll tell you what is wrong?
We've cowered far too long!
So stand up and be strong, by God's laws, by God's laws!
So stand up and be strong by God's laws!

[SilentFeathers]

Yeap, until the next exciting transmission from Drake and Company! Sheesh....just be prepared! Something major will most likely happen in a couple of days!

I thought the pollen was bad here the last day or two, guess it's just a bunch of nano dust clogging me up, don't worry though, it's only toxic to cabal members! Now how ridiculous is that? Like I've said several weeks ago, they are making this up as they go along. I knew Drake would take the mention of military drills in St Louis and run with that too....they've been doing these types of drills for several years now everywhere! But it enhances their suspense and drama to connect it to them!

I had to laugh to when he mentioned horse hockey near the end of the show! If one looks deep enough, there is actually some truth in what Drake is spewing....which is horse hockey...

PS: we could debate for hours to exactly what horse hockey really is too :)

[Avocadess]

A reminder to those who are disturbed or agitated by all the hostile postings on this thread: if you would rather just read basically what I am reporting (though you will miss some of my notes), you can read most of what I am posting here (as well as some other things I do not post here) on my website at avocadess.com/door2. There was a point a couple months ago all the mocking posts on this thread really bothered me, but I adjusted. If you haven't but want to read my updates, please make note and bookmark my site as I do not list it in this thread very often.

I have noticed in my own personal life increased agitation of people around me -- especially those with addictions to alcohol and other substances. It is indeed a GREAT time (as always) for Prayer and Meditation with positive intent, and I would like to remind everyone that there is a A WORLDWIDE GLOBAL MEDITATION FOR PEACE AND THE END OF THE POWER OF THE DARK CABAL every Sunday until Mission Accomplished!! Here again is a nice video to watch and "tune in" with. It is a very good thing to do to join in, in this Sunday "intention meditation" as We the People truly DO have the POWER OF INTENTION...!!!

http://alturl.com/ahtdp

Wishing you the best day EVER...!!!

Avocadess

[Hervé]

Here is the sadest part of the story as to why such a sad state of affairs:



"I gave him a session and it went back to when he was 4yrs old, and other dimensional beings were jumping up and down on his chest and it made him feel important. As he had given me permission to clear him, that’s why I went down there in the first place, so I had his spirit break agreements and remove them, he cried like a baby, stating, “that he felt different”

"All of a sudden he was in control and didn’t like that responsibility, then he commented, “I liked them there, they were my friends”. I want them back! [Remember they made him feel important].

"They had given him a purpose of feeling important in his reality, they were something that he could talk about to others of similarity, it made him important. I offered him a free session to find out where that dimension of feeling unimportant had come from and he declined, instead he stated, ‘I want them back’, my comment was, then you will attract them back and possible others, in which I believe he did.

"Some people in life don’t want to put any effort into change they want you to come along, do all the work and make the change for them."
Steve Richards, Case studies.

[Cartomancer]

Everyone should examine the similarities between Drake/Wilcock/Fulford and St. Germain's World Trust. This same promise of reliving everyone's debt and returning the world to a fair monetary system goes back to the eighteenth century. They are simply rehashing an old attempt at the same thing that they already subdued. Here's a link to a thread last year about St. Germain and the World Trust. Anyone who is buying into what Drake and Fulford are saying owes it to themselves to check this out. Its the same story with a few embellishments etc.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?24061-Who-is-St-Germaine-and-what-is-the-ST-GERMAIN-S-WORLD-TRUST

[Unified Serenity]

Freedom fighters are so honorable. They would never lie or take advantage or would they?

Fidel Castro is Cuban-born political leader and socialist revolutionary with an estimated net worth of $900 million dollars.

Kim Jong-il is a Korean politician with a net worth of $4 billion.

Saddam Hussein was born in Iraq and has an estimated net worth of $2 billion dollars.

Hugo Chavez has an estimated net worth of $1 billion.

Sani Abacha, Nigeria’s former military ruler, was a billionaire – and not in naira, but in dollars. Upon his death in 1998, the Nigerian government uncovered over $3 billion linked to the sadistic despot held in personal and proxy bank accounts in tax havens as diverse as Switzerland, Luxembourg, Jersey and Liechtenstein.

Each one of these people stirred their people's emotions, but in the end they showed what they truly valued. It happens to our congressman and senators. Just look at their worth before becoming a politician and then after they retire. Politics is good business. Drake is a player, albeit not on their level, but a player none the less. Just hit that donate button, he'll be asking soon, again.