Mass Arrests – But What Then?

[karelia]

There is a lot going on right now that's invisible; the air is virtually buzzing with busy-ness, and I'm sure many of us can feel that something is up. Ever since I heard David's interview with Drake, I can't help but wonder how it'll all pan out. Mass arrests is one thing; that's great, wonderful to take out the evil forces, and then inform the masses via TV.

But once that's done, what then? Can you even begin to imagine what the contingent must be in order to carry that momentum created by the arrests and continue dismantling the damage created by the cabal?

Let's face it: If everyday life is allowed to continue as if nothing happened, Cabal 2.0 will be in power within days, and we probably won't know we've been conned until months later. Here are just a few areas that come to mind:

Black ops/mind control projects - if they aren't stopped at the same time the arrests are taking place, Manchurian candidates will cause havoc, no doubt.

Schools: Will teachers still "educate" pupils on how important fluoride is, how important it is for the greater good to be vaccinated, how the only way to prevent cancer is to go to every "disease-prevention screening," continue the lie they call history, further dumb down the language, etc, etc, etc?

Sick Management System, aka "health care:" Will vaccinations, drug prescriptions, unnecessary surgeries, chemotherapy continue for even one more day? Because that means another few thousand people having another nail on their coffin.

TV: Will programs simply be replaced with some real education in-between soaps, which will no doubt encourage TV viewers to continue to sit idly in front of the box?

Welfare programs: Will those who simply don't know better than to live as welfare cases simply no longer receive their checks, leaving them in a hopeless situation?

Food: Will this poor excuse of food continue to be available in supermarkets? Will milk continue to be killed to death with pasteurization and homogenization? Veggies irradiated? Will farmers continue to use whatever seed they bought from Monsanto?

These are just a very few issues that I think are really, really in dire need of addressing as soon as this Project Clean-up starts, and I would love to hear your thoughts. Well, read your thoughts. :P

[Avocadess]

Great post, Karelia. I believe that there will be more than a lot of adjustments for people to make -- depending on their previous level of awareness especially. Those who have had their head in the sand will no doubt go through disbelief, then agonizing recognition and grief. I feel it is important to be gentle with such people.

My belief and hope is that this will shake things up in a way like has never been seen since the American Revolution and that many, many people who have felt disempowered by the system will begin to come forward. As Drake points out, it is especially important to get to know our neighbors, communities and elected officials. He did say in one program that those who were passed up by the mass arrests would most of them in time be arrested as well, because of the things that they will do to try to cover things up -- or even escape.

Me, I'll be ready to CELEBRATE (alcohol-free), sing and dance...and then get to work seeing what I can do to help when and where.

[Cartomancer]

This is a great point you bring up. After what ever change is going to happen occurs it will still be all about power and money. Sometimes it seems as if what we are all complaining about is simply the sicker side of human nature. If we are to rise above it all we are definitely going to have get over our competitive nature. This drive for security, success and fortune is what causes all the problems. We're all guilty of it to some degree. Regardless of what happens it may be more of the same but of a different flavor.

[aranuk]

Hopefully there is a military plan to follow. I presume the logistics will be followed by priority at the top. Ensuring that food and water supplies are maintained surely would be the first priority. Keeping the innocent alive. Electricity maintained and gas supplies. Most of the things you listed karelia are lower down the list of priority I would imagine. Controlling mobs another important priority to ensure lives. A tall order I agree with you Karelia.

Stan

[Neptun]

After the controllers are being arrested the truth will come out. No offense but the Germans have been heavy indoctrinated with DDR and Nazi ideology in the past and were deprogrammed. This is the same process on a global scale.

I now understand how Hitler could turn a people into a bizarre reality. I just have to look at my own country regarding 9/11 etc. and the Preemptive wars Denmark is involved with. Preemptive war is a Nürnberg crime the Nazis were charged with.

[karelia]

Great post, Karelia. I believe that there will be more than a lot of adjustments for people to make -- depending on their previous level of awareness especially. Those who have had their head in the sand will no doubt go through disbelief, then agonizing recognition and grief. I feel it is important to be gentle with such people.

Thank you. Yes, I think an unimaginable amount of adjustment for people who've been asleep up to now, and there are soooooo many. Gentle, yes, that is VERY important.


My belief and hope is that this will shake things up in a way like has never been seen since the American Revolution and that many, many people who have felt disempowered by the system will begin to come forward. As Drake points out, it is especially important to get to know our neighbors, communities and elected officials. He did say in one program that those who were passed up by the mass arrests would most of them in time be arrested as well, because of the things that they will do to try to cover things up -- or even escape.

I'm not worried about anyone passed up initially; the entire process of arrests is bound to take weeks at the very least, and if my hunch is right and there are more powers involved than just We the People, some will be given a chance to simply show on whose side they stand. Nothing wrong with that at all; I'm sure we're all forgiving to those who see the light at five minutes past twelve, too. What I'm interested in knowing is how sheople #(insert SSN here) is going to be helped with coping that suddenly, that drug she takes has just become unavailable and there is no replacement for it, or how Busy!Mom will cope when told that it's her responsible to have offspring, so now deal with it, and that kind of thing. Mundane if looked at individually, but we're talking about millions here. How are the people behind Drake going to address all that?


Me, I'll be ready to CELEBRATE (alcohol-free), sing and dance...and then get to work seeing what I can do to help when and where.

*grins* I have the champagne in the fridge. And somehow, I have a feeling some of us may be contacted just before arrests take place. After all, we're easily visible from everywhere with the bright light we emit.

[karelia]

After the controllers are being arrested the truth will come out. No offense but the Germans have been heavy indoctrinated with DDR and Nazi ideology in the past and were deprogrammed. This is the same process on a global scale.

I now understand how Hitler could turn a people into a bizarre reality. I just have to look at my own country regarding 9/11 etc.

Can you explain what you mean about Germans being deprogrammed? My understanding is that the real programming on Germans only started after 1945.

[EnergyGardener]

Karelia,

I posted several Threads Steps 3 (disclosure) through 6 for that very purpose but they received little attention. My thoughts are illustrated on those pages if you care to give them a read.

My immediate concern is the phase during and following the arrests, transitioning through reeducation of the masses (learning our true history and what fate had been planned for us). It is vital for organization with enough wonderful information, so people embrace and celebrate peacefully the future so that they are not compelled to protest and destroy because of the past.

[Neptun]

After the controllers are being arrested the truth will come out. No offense but the Germans have been heavy indoctrinated with DDR and Nazi ideology in the past and were deprogrammed. This is the same process on a global scale.

I now understand how Hitler could turn a people into a bizarre reality. I just have to look at my own country regarding 9/11 etc.

Can you explain what you mean about Germans being deprogrammed? My understanding is that the real programming on Germans only started after 1945.

Just for clarification. Hitler was the bad guy right?

A friend of mine Hilmer von Campe, former Hitler Jugend and German soldier, that I helped get an interview on the AJ show:
Part 1 out of 4:
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[karelia]

EnergyGardener,

Would you mind providing a link to those threads? I wholeheartedly agree with you on the importance of embracing the future and focusing their energy on that rather than turning destructive because of the past! That is probably the main reason for posting in the first place. Mass arrests are one thing, but if they aren't instantly followed up with a kind of extreme education, I foresee problems...

[EnergyGardener]

EnergyGardener,

Would you mind providing a link to those threads? I wholeheartedly agree with you on the importance of embracing the future and focusing their energy on that rather than turning destructive because of the past! That is probably the main reason for posting in the first place. Mass arrests are one thing, but if they aren't instantly followed up with a kind of extreme education, I foresee problems...

karelia,

Here they are; please use what is helpful.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40674-Step-Three-TRANSITION-TO-DISCLOSURE
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40804-Step-Four-Transition-to-Human-Self-Rule-and-Prosperity
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40867-Step-Five-RECALL-OF-GOVERNMENT-OFFICIALS [this is now the Mass Arrests, about to take place?]
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41030-Step-Six-COMMITMENT-TO-LIFETIME-SERVICE

Step One was based upon Roman's "Make this Go Viral thread" that Roman was kind enough to re-title for the following sequenced steps.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39809-Step-One-Command-Removal-Of-Illuminati

Step Two resulted after I tried to create a visualization meditation / prayer when I realized what I was trying to say was almost identical to the Lord's Prayer. I have been tempted to rewrite that with less biblical terminology but was concerned of being struck by lightning.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41150-Step-Two-NOTICE-TO-OUR-CREATOR

[DreamsInDigital]

I could be entirely wrong here, but I would think there would have to be already in place a "transitional" period plan, that will be implemented. As it's going to take more than just mass arrest for things to fully and permanently change. I just about was shocked beyond words when one of my closest friends said something to the effect of "I don't care who's in office as long as I feel like the government is doing the best they can to take care of the country." that's not verbatim but it was something similar to that. And, THAT is something that will be needing change also, peoples mind sets.

[EnergyGardener]

I could be entirely wrong here, but I would think there would have to be already in place a "transitional" period plan, that will be implemented. As it's going to take more than just mass arrest for things to fully and permanently change. I just about was shocked beyond words when one of my closest friends said something to the effect of "I don't care who's in office as long as I feel like the government is doing the best they can to take care of the country." that's not verbatim but it was something similar to that. And, THAT is something that will be needing change also, peoples mind sets.

DID, as we have discussed, there must be a time-out from any serious decisions or voting upon our new systems until we all have the opportunity to review the design, implementation and processes of other more advanced worlds. As has been suggested, I am sure that we cannot appreciate our best replacement systems in our current 3D realm, but I am sure our ET/ED friends already have plenty of suggestions.

I know, there will be concern the rescuing ET/ED may intend to harvest us like our current reptoid hosts, but we must also consider this: Universal Laws, intelligent beings appreciate no purpose for selfishness or actions against the Creator / Common Good; and, ET/ED, have protected us from extinction to this moment; we must have faith the hundreds of races that have arrived to help us would never do so in a cooperative effort if it was against our best interests, thus to the overall benefit of our soon-to-be shared universe. This logical explanation could be called, "Proof of ET/ED Benevolence by Cooperative Rescue of Humanity." Sorry, :offtopic:

[karelia]

Just for clarification. Hitler was the bad guy right?

I can't answer that. I didn't meet him, and all I can go by is what I read. He is demonised in history books, and by now, hardly anyone who could give a different answer is no longer alive.


A friend of mine Hilmer von Campe, former Hitler Jugend and German soldier, that I helped get interview on AJ show:
Part 1 out of 4:
<snip>

I admit I don't like AJ. He is way too much doom and gloom, but I will watch the vid you posted in the morning.

[gripreaper]

These are just a very few issues that I think are really, really in dire need of addressing as soon as this Project Clean-up starts,

David Wilcock, having been chosen by the ancient dynastic families of the planet, as well as the consortium of 143 aligned nations against the cabal, as well as the global judicial adjudicators, to be the central liaison for the greatest transformation in the history of planet earth, is taking care of all of that.

I'd say it's all under control.:rolleyes:

[karelia]

Yo, gripreaper,
It's gotta start somewhere, right? And if it starts with David Wilcock, that's fine with me. In fact, rather him than Bush. :P

[Cognitive Dissident]

To reply to the original post on this: after the mass arrests, then what?
I have not seen any discussion on this - are they using the existing legal system or not? As in, are they going to lock them up and throw away the key, or will there be due process, trial by jury, etc?

If the latter, then after the mass arrests, you get... a bail hearing... lawyers... charges under existing law... etc. etc.
Not very exciting, but there you are.

Or, are we going to create a whole new legal system for these mass arrests?

Those are the two alternatives.

Unless this is explained, I am afraid that I don't find the whole mass arrests thingy very compelling. It justs begs the question, and then what?

[Neptun]

Just for clarification. Hitler was the bad guy right?

I can't answer that. I didn't meet him, and all I can go by is what I read. He is demonised in history books, and by now, hardly anyone who could give a different answer is no longer alive.


A friend of mine Hilmer von Campe, former Hitler Jugend and German soldier, that I helped get interview on AJ show:
Part 1 out of 4:
<snip>

I admit I don't like AJ. He is way too much doom and gloom, but I will watch the vid you posted in the morning.

Well my danish Grandfather was in Berlin in the 30's and he tried to warn his German friends about Hitler and he told them he was a dangerous man that wanted war. It was very clear to my granddad. They would not listen, because they were like Obama fans, thinking he would save them and he also did some great things for Germany like turning the economy around etc.

My Granddad also had a danish resistance fighter living at his house with the family and the Nazis were extremely close to finding out. They wanted to take the home of my Grandfather's and turn it into a HQ.

The Nazis killed allot of innocent people in Denmark and we know for sure the Nazi regime was a parasitic nasty regime.

On my fathers side, my Italian granddad was in the resistance and was close to be shot 3 times by the fascists. His brother ended up in a concentration camp and was forced to burn corpses. He survived and I have met him face to face. I have seen his tattoo and his missing fingers. When I looked into his eyes was like feeling the hell he has been through. He was not Jewish by the way.

The Nazis were part of the New World Order to create next step towards the final act the New World Order.

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

[Airwooz]

I doubt that the mass arrests even existed, they could replaced with new rulers. Revolution won't happens when mass public still sleeping.

[karelia]

Well my danish Grandfather was in Berlin in the 30's and he tried to warn his German friends about Hitler and he told them he was a dangerous man that wanted war. It was very clear to my granddad. They would not listen, because they were like Obama fans, thinking he would save them and he also did some great things for Germany like turning the economy around etc.

My Granddad also had a danish resistance fighter living at his house with the family and the Nazis were extremely close to finding out. They wanted to take the home of my Grandfather's and turn it into a HQ.

The Nazis killed allot of innocent people in Denmark and we know for sure the Nazi regime was a parasitic nasty regime.

On my fathers side, my Italian granddad was in the resistance and was close to be shot 3 times by the fascists. His brother ended up in a concentration camp and was forced to burn corpses. He survived and I have met him face to face. I have seen his tattoo and his missing fingers. When I looked into his eyes was like feeling the hell he has been through. He was not Jewish by the way.

The Nazis were part of the New World Order to create next step towards the final act the New World Order.

That doesn't explain how the Germans were "deprogrammed," as you claim in your initial post, and I don't think the subject really fits into this thread. If you search, you'll find plenty of threads on the subjects of Nazi Germany.

[karelia]

EnergyGardener,
Thank you for those links! I just clicked on the first one. The reason I totally missed that was because I was in the middle of moving from one continent to another and spent weeks without internet access. I will remedy that in the morning (it's past midnight here, and I'm ready to go to sleep).

[Neptun]

The Germans were deprogrammed out of the "We are the Master Race and Jews are rats" to the normal Brave New World program, we are at the influence under right now, that we are living in the free world and the mainstream media tells the truth and the states loves us and it needs more and more of our taxes.

So going from tolitarian facism programming to Brave New World Program and soon, free your mind, everything has been a lie. Welcome to freedom.

[karelia]

The Germans were deprogrammed out of the "We are the Master Race and Jews are rats" to the more normal Brave New World program, we are at the influence under right now.

You call that Brave New World program normal? *shudders*

[Neptun]

The Germans were deprogrammed out of the "We are the Master Race and Jews are rats" to the more normal Brave New World program, we are at the influence under right now.

You call that Brave New World program normal? *shudders*

Yes brave new world programming is allot more nicer than Nazis stamping around with their heavy boots in the streets and shooting people if they forgot their papers, even though Brave New World programming is even a bigger prison for the mind.

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe: "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

Maybe you should watch "Der Ewige Jude" (English subs) the Nazi propaganda movie. It pretty much spells out, what the Nazis thought about Jews:
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[spiritguide]

What then??? As maybe the title should read- What now? Reading through the threads of Avalon lately it seems most are waiting for something to spark righteousness to go forward. Each one of us should be acting with virtue in the now and addressing inequity whenever and wherever we see it in our personal environment. Respect others, help others that need it,share instead of hoarding, and most of all Love one another. If we all think and act this way now, the transition will be smoother and this behavior is against the indoctrination we have been subject to for most of our lifetimes. Start working on loosing the EGO and becoming selfless. IMHO

:peace:

[karelia]

What then??? As maybe the title should read- What now? Reading through the threads of Avalon lately it seems most are waiting for something to spark righteousness to go forward. Each one of us should be acting with virtue in the now and addressing inequity whenever and wherever we see it in our personal environment. Respect others, help others that need it,share instead of hoarding, and most of all Love one another. If we all think and act this way now, the transition we be smoother and this behavior is against the indoctrination we have been subject to for most of our lifetimes. Start working on loosing the EGO and becoming selfless. IMHO

:peace:

Agreed. But will the masses do that? Or will they simply shoot the messengers, not matter how kind they are?

[Neptun]

What then??? As maybe the title should read- What now? Reading through the threads of Avalon lately it seems most are waiting for something to spark righteousness to go forward. Each one of us should be acting with virtue in the now and addressing inequity whenever and wherever we see it in our personal environment. Respect others, help others that need it,share instead of hoarding, and most of all Love one another. If we all think and act this way now, the transition we be smoother and this behavior is against the indoctrination we have been subject to for most of our lifetimes. Start working on loosing the EGO and becoming selfless. IMHO

:peace:

Agreed. But will the masses do that? Or will they simply shoot the messengers, not matter how kind they are?

The media, just like in Nazi Germany keeps the lies alive. The moment the media speaks the truth, they will change reality. Reality is what we see, hear and agree with each other.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
Joseph Goebbels

Today we are all Jews living in Nazi Germany!

[foreverfan]

You mean I'll finally get that movement I've been waiting for?

http://blog.builddirect.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/redneck-couch-toilet.jpg

[EnergyGardener]

Too Off-Topic - self edited.

[Snowbird]

Ever since I first heard Drake speaking about all of this, I couldn't help but think that every time he gives an interview, how many of those who will be allegedly arrested have already left the country? How many of those learjets have taken off from the U.S., never to return? If I was guilty of atrocities (which thankfully I'm not) and I heard someone like Drake telling of my demise, my learjet would be the second in line for take off only to be preceded by Air Force One.

As I was driving home tonight I was wondering how businesses will cope if many of their employees discover that they no longer have to work. Its coming.

[Neptun]

Snowbird,

Sure but where will they hide? The world has become a very small place lately.

I personally don't mind the bad guys get total amnesty and we forget about the thousands of years oppression and focus on a free humanity.

It takes 2 to a tango and the sheeple have proven to me they are bad guys hidden in wool with their "ignorance is bliss" ridicule style.

Ignorance is treason!

[EnergyGardener]

Snowbird,

I personally don't mind the bad guys get total amnesty and we forget about the thousands of years oppression and focus on a free humanity.

You will find few to support you on this issue, except I am sure, the "bad guys." As for me, they are "outta here."


It takes 2 to a tango and the sheeple have proven to me they are bad guys hidden in wool with their "ignorance is bliss" ridicule style.

Ignorance is treason!

Speak for yourself, again. How long ago did you depart from your ignorance / treasonous behavior?

[Snowbird]

Snowbird,

Sure but where will they hide? The world has become a very small place lately.

I personally don't mind the bad guys get total amnesty and we forget about the thousands of years oppression and focus on a free humanity.

It takes 2 to a tango and the sheeple have proven to me they are bad guys hidden in wool with their "ignorance is bliss" ridicule style.

Ignorance is treason!

Neptun, many of these are filthy wealthy (okay, most of this is stolen goods) and they can buy into any underground rat hole that will accommodate. I'm sure that there are now inner-mountain condos waiting for the very rich and very guilty. With enough money to pay off enough people to keep you hidden, one could hide for a very long time in relative comfort. Hitler and his henchmen did it.

Will our military go looking in these rat holes that are located out across the pond? I seriously doubt it.

[foreverfan]

These are just a very few issues that I think are really, really in dire need of addressing as soon as this Project Clean-up starts,

David Wilcock, having been chosen by the ancient dynastic families of the planet, as well as the consortium of 143 aligned nations against the cabal, as well as the global judicial adjudicators, to be the central liaison for the greatest transformation in the history of planet earth, is taking care of all of that.

I'd say it's all under control.:rolleyes:

Well at least he does look like Cayce. That much is true. :rolleyes:

http://charleshamel.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/cayce-wilcock.jpg

[DreamsInDigital]

Will our military go looking in these rat holes that are located out across the pond? I seriously doubt it.
Maybe, the military wont. But, there are our friends/family "upstairs" that have no qualms about it. As they say "No Where To Run, No Where To Hide" and, they mean it.

[Mozart]

Edit:

Excellent thread idea, Karelia.

I actually think that this post that I did in the tail end of the "MAJOR EVENT" thread fits more in this thread than that one, hence I pasted it here in this thread as well.

If this is not cool, please let me know and I'll remove it, mods.


Gripreaper ~

Your post(#31 in the "MAJOR EVENT" thread) is one that is well-worth reading and researching terms for many people to study, so I recommend that those of you who have read through Gripreaper's post to read it again and again. It's that good.


If I recall correctly, you stated in a previous post/thread that you wanted to leave this forum -- I'm glad that you didn't. We need you here, bro.



If you are standing outside of commerce as a sovereign and attempting to adjudicate a grievance within a public venue, you are entering into the jurisdiction on the public side. You CANNOT have it both ways. Either you operate in commerce and follow the rule of law laid down over the last 5000 years, or you step outside of commerce and stand sovereign, self determined and self responsible.



That's true -- one cannot have it both ways, but here's why Drake and his loose-knit Robin Hood group (the "Robin Hood" term is my term and it's meant in positive intent) are using the Hague process to stake their claim of sovereignty by rebirthing the Declaration of Independence.


It's this reason: To Win the Crowd.


Many of you have watched the "Gladiator", yes?


Here's a part of the movie that I never forgot:


I, too, want to stand in front of the Emperor.
As you did.
Then listen to me. Learn from me.
I wasn't the best because I killed quickly.
I was the best because the crowd loved me.
Win the crowd, and you'll win your freedom.
I will win the crowd.
I will give them something they have never seen before.

From: http://movie.subtitlr.com/


Movies are frequently messages that are hidden in the symbology of the movie dialogue, the imagery, the scenes, the acting, the props, etc, etc.


"Emperor" = the Pope


"Win the crowd" = Gain the support of the 134+ nation alliance (BRICS alliance) AND the world.


..."something they have never seen before" = Open contact with ETs


I'm going to give my post here a bit of a country flavor to it, I hope that the readers can bear with it.


So the Hague processes, both the declaration and the notification processes, are simply to gain the support of the world in terms of THEIR perceptions of the idea of "rule of law". We need to win the crowd of the world.


Our original Declaration of Independence had the power to create a nation, did it not? The power of it, the idea of it, the audacity of it to create a nation of sovereign people, banded together as "We the People" standing free from the Canon-law based reach of the Pompous Pope (Emperor) was strong enough to create a brand-new nation.


Did it go through any sort of color-of-law process? No -- all it had was what makes all legitimate contracts all over the world work -- signatures. It was the Signatories -- 56 of them -- who gave it life and the power to birth a new nation under God with Liberty and eff'n true Justice for all.


So that's part of what the Hague process does -- it gives us "legitimacy" through the eyes of the people of the world, with the help of the Indigenous Natives of Turtle Island, to rebirth our Declaration by standing up to the damn pompous Pope and the Illoonynaughties that we will no longer be their slaves and serfs.


And you know what? Canon law is bull**** -- we don't give a rat's ass about some damn "contract" that was imposed upon us way back in the Seventeenth Century. And why does it not apply to us? We are not Signatories to it!


Our signatures are the golden key to the entire world of commerce, so it's why the world of commerce has tricked many of us into false, hidden and implied contracts. Once the truth cat is out of the bag, there ain't any way that we can drag that cat back into the bag. No way.


The Pompous Pope has no claim over us(the People); the Illoonynaughties have no claim over us; the Queen of England has no claim over us -- all of those claims are bogus and no longer stand because they've stood on a foundation of lies, deceit and brutal applications of FORCE to trick the people into voluntary subjugation/servitude to those money masters.


FORCE is the only thing that the Money Masters understand, as they've used that aspect against us, the People of the world, many, many times, so now it's time to turn the tables and apply the same thing to those bastards and win back our freedom by FORCE that will have been legitimized by the Hague process, by the un-rebuttable liens against the Federal Reserve and the full support of the 134-nation BRICS alliance.





It is my understanding that the shadow economy and the shadow black projects and the black screens were put in place as a global initiative to siphon off the resources and production of the open economy to deal with international issues facing mankind in reference to the supposed “threat” posed by the entrance of ET’s back in 1930’s when the global scientists screwed up the space time continuum at Montauk, and blew a hole in the protective shield around this planet and space ships began to re-enter our 3D dimension.



Yes, there was a hole in the space-time continuum at Montauk, but it happened on August 13, 1943 and a nasty creature did come through and trash the base and kill most of the people who were there that day; however, it did not create a massive rip in the fabric of space-time for the whole planet -- so I wanted to clear that bit up.


And spaceships did not enter, either, because of the quarantine that is in effect around our entire planet and it's maintained by the "Council of Saturn" -- a council of EDs (Extra-Dimensionals), so this quarantine severely limits the number of negative ETs that would enter our planetary sphere and brutally subjugate us beyond belief ... WAY worse than how the Illoonynaughty bastards treated us. WAY WORSE.


This quarantine is still in effect today. Only a few UFOs of negative intent were allowed to enter our skies and mess with us. The vast majority of sighted UFOs are of our own origin, human-made, that are reverse-engineered craft, plus a few home-grown ones based on Tesla technology and Thomas Townsend Brown.




This was such a gargantuan effort and it was determined at the time that it would be best to keep this “other set of books” out of the public domain because mankind was not ready for such a disclosure, and would require an economy at least 100 times that of the open economy. This was set up and discussed at the first Bilderberg meeting and all of the G-20 nations were a part of it.



Yes, this "gargantuan effort" did happen, but it was not a result of the rip of the space-time fabric from the Montauk Project. It was the result of the 1954 meeting of the ETs, Eisenhower and others at the then Muroc AFB, which is now Edwards AFB, in which the negative ETs (Zeta Reticulans) made a deal with the corporate US government to trade off some advanced ET-based technology for a resource that was precious to the negative ETs ... our DNA.


The positive ETs were there, too, and they made their views clear to Eisenhower and others there, but the lure of the hyper-advanced ET technologies was just too enticing to the military-industrial complex, so they took the bait.


What the neg ETs told Eisenhower was that in the end of 2012, there would be a massive catastrophe wiping out the vast majority of those on Earth, leaving only a few survivors. The Pentagon fell for that lie. So the Pentagon did what it does best: dig trenches. And dig it did -- thousands of miles of tunnels all over the world and entire cities underground -- hence the DUMBs all over the world. Many of them -- well over 50 major ones -- have been destroyed by the ETs, so having the damn Illoonynaughties going underground to save their asses is no longer an option.


The negative ETs did tell a truth, but it was only a part of a truth about the end of 2012, which is the catastrophic Timeline Two that would happen at the end of 2012; however, if our world really was on the Timeline Two path, the sheer level of horrible, negative events that would have transpired by now would be utterly astonishing -- way worse than the darkest, nastiest Hollywood dark-future scenarios ever portrayed on the silver screen to date. And that's before the really big events, like a pole shift and other nasty surprises.


But, thank God, thank our good-guy ETs, thank Council of Saturn and thank YOU, those who are awakening, our whole planet is strongly onto Timeline One, which is a timeline in which we not only defeat the damned Illoonynaughties, the Pompous Pope and throw off our yoke of involuntary servitude -- we will have full contact with our ET buddies, will have the long-suppressed 5,000+ free energy devices that had been attempted to be patented to be released, will have our stolen funds returned to us and will have many more wonderful events that would bring joy to our world.


Real joy. Real relief. Real hope. Real change. For everyone, everywhere.


So, seriously, folks, we are solidly on Timeline One. This is another subject for another post that I have in mind and it's pretty much already composed in my mind ... plus a bunch of other posts that are bugging me to type them to life in this and other forums.




A new paradigm would require many self realized and self determined individuals to awaken and demand the release of the stellar technologies which have been hidden, and virtually eliminate commerce and the "weights and measures” system of this planets resources, and the accounting of who owns what and how that is to be distributed based on what?

*snip*

What Drake and Wilcock are putting forth is not enough to base any such new paradigm upon. So far there is not enough information, and no one can be arrested without “charges” being filed judicially, and evidence submitted. Do we want to go down that road of adjudicating within the old system or do we want to create a new paradigm?



As I understand it, the new system will be based on what has been agreed-upon by the 134-nation alliance -- the BRICS alliance -- and they are already determined to make it transparent, fair, balanced and other laudable aspects. These are the disenfranchised nations that have suffered massively and brutally under the brutal tyranny of the Illoonynaughty bastards, so the LAST thing that this alliance would want to create is more tyranny.



Let’s NOT repeat what we created back then on Atlantis, the total deluge and nuclear destruction of our planet. The elementals don't like being manipulated. We are standing on the very same precipice now as we did back then.



I totally agree. Yes we have been standing on the very same precipice of utter self-destruction that we did in not only Atlantis, but also Mars with the destruction of the Martian atmosphere 75,000 years ago, plus the complete destruction of Maldek 500,000 years ago. The Asteroid Belt is the remnants of the blown-up Maldek.


So given the violent history of this solar system, our Source, our Creator, decreed that Earth was not to be destroyed. Period. And she won't be -- guaranteed.



Let’s go for the enlightened and awakened paradigm of the internal power, drawn from the source field and emanated outward into our collective dream, and shun and reject the technological paradigm being fed to us in its many mutations. We KNOW in our hearts that this is correct.



Absolutely! I totally agree! In fact it is the sheer numbers of people who are already awake and who are in the process of awakening that has allowed our Earth to survive and to shift solidly onto the wonderful Timeline One, instead of the horrible Timeline Two.


So to those of you who have been slogging through many years of suffering the yokes of tyranny, of wars, of injustice, of planetary destruction, etc and insisted on recycling your stuff, cutting down consumption, on reading spiritual materials, on meditating, on shifting your own paradigms ... it's because of you that triggered our ETs to decisively intervene on our behalf recently and now, so now we are on the verge of the greatest events that will have yet to unfold in human history in our collective throwing off the yokes of tyranny and of commercial oppression.


THANK YOU, People! I really can't thank you enough for doing your part.

[modwiz]

To reply to the original post on this: after the mass arrests, then what?
I have not seen any discussion on this - are they using the existing legal system or not? As in, are they going to lock them up and throw away the key, or will there be due process, trial by jury, etc?

If the latter, then after the mass arrests, you get... a bail hearing... lawyers... charges under existing law... etc. etc.
Not very exciting, but there you are.

Or, are we going to create a whole new legal system for these mass arrests?

Those are the two alternatives.

Unless this is explained, I am afraid that I don't find the whole mass arrests thingy very compelling. It justs begs the question, and then what?

In simple common law terms: Was any harm done or property damaged or stolen? These are the basic premises for common law IIRC. Bail is a business and part of the BS admiralty laws. There are whole sections of society that are part of conspiracies that have done many of us harm and/or created damage to property/belongings. Law is only complicated when is is legalism and created as a business to begin with. Legalism allows lawyers to get between aggrieved parties. Jesus counseled to settle with your fellow and stay out of courts. He was referring to the legalism of his day which is the crap we have been mired in under the name of due (doo) process and justice. I hope he was not the only one to see the scam for what it is, but he is on record for saying it, which is why I quote him. I am stuck for another to fill in here.

[Mozart]

Well at least he does look like Cayce. That much is true. :rolleyes:

http://charleshamel.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/cayce-wilcock.jpg



Actually, Foreverfan,

It's way more than just that.

Wilcock's astrological chart is a virtual match of Cayce's chart.

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/articles/35-wilcock-and-cayce-an-extraordinary-astrological-recapitulation

From the date of Cayce's birth and 127 years into the future, there was only ONE day that could offer the exact kind of chart that David Wilcock needed to line up his chart to nearly exactly match up with Cayce -- March 8th, 1973.

ONE day out of 127 years ... 43,355 days.

And guess what -- Wilcock was born on THAT day, March 8th, 1973 ... with the exact time on that day that he needed to have his Moon match up as well.

Not only that, Wilcock was Ra-Ta in another previous lifetime and that lifetime started the whole, damn Illoonynaughty ball going, so it's partly his karma to work his ass off in this lifetime to bring about the defeat of the damned Illoonynaughties.

~Mozart

[Neptun]

Snowbird,

I personally don't mind the bad guys get total amnesty and we forget about the thousands of years oppression and focus on a free humanity.

You will find few to support you on this issue, except I am sure, the "bad guys." As for me, they are "outta here."


It takes 2 to a tango and the sheeple have proven to me they are bad guys hidden in wool with their "ignorance is bliss" ridicule style.

Ignorance is treason!

Speak for yourself, again. How long ago did you depart from your ignorance / treasonous behavior?
I saw "the Matrix" and felt it was on to something and began looking for the real Matrix. I searched and found "The Road to Tyranny"

OVMyH8eOHKs

It is pretty hardcore, compared to the soft movies he has made lately. It was an instant wake up call. My hair stood up for 2½ hours like I was electroshocked with truth. My friend felt the same way.

At that time no one talked about conspiracies in my country and my friend and I thought it would be a walk in the park to wake up Denmark. We burned around 1000 cds with this movie and gave them to people on the street etc. all our friends and family got them, I even visited a political party in Denmark and some organizations.

We thought people would watch them and give the cds to others or copy them and do the same and within few months the entire nation would wake up. We learned fast about how people willfully want to stay in the Matrix of control. I have told the same people for over 10 years the same things and they are still in denial even when i can prove stuff to them. They refuse to wake up. That is willfully ignorance and treason! They are like Nazis!

These people are no different than the Elite. They go along with whatever the system says and would report people and send them to FEMA camps, if they were told to.

The Nazis working at the Deathcamps were normal German people with families. For them it was just a job they had to do. In other words, they were sheep!

I have pushed these sheeple to a confession and they tell me they don't care what happens to others, as long as they are safe.

See something, say something

"Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all."

-- Michael Rivero

If the Elite are going to prison for life, allot of cowards and willfully ignorant that supported them should go too. It is better to give them amnesty and blame our selves for how far we have allowed this BS to go on.

"The exact level of tyranny that you're going to live under, is the level of tyranny you put up with." - Thomas Jefferson

[Mozart]

Here's the Top Ten List:


1) Announce meetings in your local areas -- in parts of cities, in your rural areas, etc -- to gather people together and get some dialogue going to help them understand what is going on.


2) Tell everyone to relax, to take deep breaths, to chill out, to take a moment and take in the historic moments that would be happening in our world. Chill out and take a break!


3) Don't fret about rushing your kids off to school, especially if they are public indoctrination prison/propaganda schools. Have your kids take a couple of weeks off.


4) Connect with your friends, connect with your neighbors, connect with new friends, discover your neighborhood and connect with people, real people, on the streets, on the Internet, etc. Reach out. Connect.


5) Watch TV and the new information that would be aired in the one-week intensive right after the mass arrests, plus the months-long intensives of the re-education / awakening of the once-dumbed-down masses about the truths of the Illoonynaughties. Talk to people about them.


6) With ANY color-of-law government agent who tries to tell you what to do -- beit county, state or federal, challenge them with the Quo Warranto concept. Google up " Quo Warranto " and learn to use it against them.



7) With the money that you'd receive from the Global Settlement Accounts, use it to pay off personal debts that you may owe to real people, to make good with agreements that you may have made with real people, to help others, to invest into free energy companies that would be taking off like a bat out of hell.



8) Immediately plant hemp wherever you can -- your land, on a neighbor's land, on your local garden patch, you name it. Get them hemp plants going!


9) Read, study and share all about our REAL past, our exciting present and our tremendously exciting future, now that the Illoonynaughty bastards will have been removed FOREVER.


10) Relax. Take deep breaths. Go for walks. Meditate. Feel the joy of our victory over the dark bastards.

[Mozart]

APRIL 12, 2012: DRAKE'S LATEST UPDATE AND Q&A ON BLOG TALK RADIO starts at the second hour...at 64:44:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/f...dom-reigns

Here are some excerpts:

1) "HERE'S WHAT THE MILITARY'S WAITING ON: They're waiting on people to come to the point of taking on our central banking system. The reason being is that...the turkeys at the Fed actually are in charge of exactly everything."

"It was not fully known to me--not confirmed. So, I've been asking these guys pointed questions...I have received an extraordinary financial education. This education confirms my suspicions as to certain things."

"So, a little extra backdoor stuff, in terms of subtrefuge, that I wasn't fully aware of, but got confirmation from...basically from the original sources."

"The central banking system is going to be required to repay each and everything that they borrowed--not us, them! This will bankrupt that corporation!"

2) "AS TO WHAT WE'RE DOING: Some of us are in the process of assisting more states to come into the capability of doing the paperwork...helping them get people, helping them to find out what they need to know, how to present things, or whatever it takes."

"We're looking at, also, international involvement...which will be announced at a little bit later date...You've got some of the major powers--to include the people who are assumed to be enemies--who are on board with the idea. And that's part of the shock that's coming!"

"WE THE PEOPLE WILL BE THE AUTHORITY...The basis of government is going to change from one of adversary, or your enemy, to being your friend! The extraordinarily powerful, repressive government is going!"

[foreverfan]

Well at least he does look like Cayce. That much is true. :rolleyes:

http://charleshamel.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/cayce-wilcock.jpg



Actually, Foreverfan,

It's way more than just that.

Wilcock's astrological chart is a virtual match of Cayce's chart.

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/articles/35-wilcock-and-cayce-an-extraordinary-astrological-recapitulation

From the date of Cayce's birth and 127 years into the future, there was only ONE day that could offer the exact kind of chart that David Wilcock needed to line up his chart to nearly exactly match up with Cayce -- March 8th, 1973.

ONE day out of 127 years ... 43,355 days.

And guess what -- Wilcock was born on THAT day, March 8th, 1973 ... with the exact time on that day that he needed to have his Moon match up as well.

Not only that, Wilcock was Ra-Ta in another previous lifetime and that lifetime started the whole, damn Illoonynaughty ball going, so it's partly his karma to work his ass off in this lifetime to bring about the defeat of the damned Illoonynaughties.

~Mozart

Yea... interesting to say the least. I've been following Wilcock since 2008 so I've heard all of that stuff.

Yea it amazing that Cayce thought he was the reincarnation of RA the Egyptian Sun God. Maybe this is why Wilcock is so into the Law of One series channeled by Carla Rueckert. The channeled spirit is RA. Great new age stuff. Really resonates with me.

[Neptun]

All this energy and time I have used and ridicule I have experienced by these Nazi sheep, when this turns around, I will spend some months to blow off steam and kick sheep ass(verbally). ¤¤#%¤#

It will be very therapeutic and part of my healing process!

[foreverfan]

All this energy I have used and ridicule I have experienced by these Nazi sheep, when this turns around, I will spend some months to blow of steam and kick sheep ass(verbally). ¤¤#%¤#

It will be very therapeutic and part of my healing process!

http://edge.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/524206/467848.jpg

[Neptun]

foreverfan,

Normally I think American humor stinks(No offense) but this one was funny!

God Bless America. Ron Paul 2012 ! I agree with that! The Americans are the nr. 1 people that stood up to the NWO.

[foreverfan]

foreverfan,

Normally I think American humor stinks(No offense) but this one was funny!

My humor knows no country of origin. Good night. Sleep tight.

http://jokideo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/cats000022.jpg

[Mozart]

:party:
All this energy and time I have used and ridicule I have experienced by these Nazi sheep, when this turns around, I will spend some months to blow off steam and kick sheep ass(verbally). ¤¤#%¤#

It will be very therapeutic and part of my healing process!


I'm with you there, Neptun, man!

:party: :popcorn: :director: :clap2: :fans:

[Neptun]

foreverfan,

Trust me on this one. You will also find Danish humor strange and bizarre.

This movie was a big hit in Denmark. Danish humor makes fun of taboos and are very political incorrect.

I think, those involved in the movie would be put on the terrorlist, if the movie was shown on TV in the US:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1680136/

These cartoons are in one of the biggest danish National Newspapers:
http://wulffmorgenthaler.com/

[WhiteFeather]

In this interview by Alex Collier That is Channeled Telepathically from Moraney, Alexs Andromedan contact, states that the resignations of the many Ceo's is part of a much bigger plan by the upper heirarchys new hidden agendas. Have a listen. Interesting to say the least.

http://www.spreaker.com/user/shinydemise/alex_collier_interview_statement

[EnergyGardener]

If the Elite are going to prison for life, allot of cowards and willfully ignorant that supported them should go too. It is better to give them amnesty and blame our selves for how far we have allowed this BS to go on.

Neptune, you certainly hold great hostility to those that have not awakened as fast as you—proposing their treatment to be identical as our oppressors, mass murders!

Are you sure that you represent the "Good Guys?"

Perhaps even more important than discovery of our circumstance is to immediate clean-up (removal), but also the gentle awakening of the rest of our families—the 3D hypnosis these evil beings cast upon all of us has been extremely effective. I contend that you Neptune, as well as the rest of us, need to hone our skills so that we can better awaken all of the good people that have not willfully oppressed any person.

[Neptun]

If the Elite are going to prison for life, allot of cowards and willfully ignorant that supported them should go too. It is better to give them amnesty and blame our selves for how far we have allowed this BS to go on.

Neptune, you certainly hold great hostility to those that have not awakened as fast as you—proposing their treatment to be identical as our oppressors, mass murders!

Are you sure that you represent the "Good Guys?"

Perhaps even more important than discovery of our circumstance is to immediate clean-up (removal), but also the gentle awakening of the rest of our families—the 3D hypnosis these evil beings cast upon all of us has been extremely effective. I contend that you Neptune, as well as the rest of us, need to hone our skills so that we can better awaken all of the good people that have not willfully oppressed any person.
If you have spend the same amount of energy, time and heard all their ridicule as me, you would probably call for the guillotine of the Nazi sheeple!
http://billedeupload.dk/images/7zcL.jpg

To wake up a nation with no one awake and be the first ones going berserk with the truth is a tough job. Today Danes know about Alex Jones and 9/11 facts, even those that are asleep.

Notice I call for amnesty and peace and have forgiven the Elite and see no reason to put them in jail.

Danish scientist on National TV about 9/11
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[Avocadess]

Cognitive Dissident: Drake has said several times (on different shows) that the FEMA camps will be used to hold them and then there will be due process of law -- only THIS time they will not be able to "buy justice" and just walk away from it.

Regarding the programming of the Germans, it started way before Hitler came to power. It is very interesting if you look into the Prussian system which Germany took on in many ways well before WW2. I used to have a book (but have forgotten the name of it) that explained all about how under the Prussian system Germany took on for schools it was all about obedience and standing in straight lines, etc. (and very military). On top of that the generation that grew to be the Nazi soldiers were raised by parents that most of them followed a popular "doctor" of the day (think Dr. Benjamin Spock of the '60s only with a very different philosophy). The conventional "wisdom" at the time that people were instructed was the right way to raise their children was to humiliate and shame them enough before the age of 4 so that they would learn to be very obedient.

That kind of programming was very deep-set. The only deprogramming, if you want to call it that, that I know of in Germany is -- and correct me if I'm wrong -- that the Germans were mass-educated about the concentration camps, etc. Remember: most of them claimed to have no idea what was really going on in those camps, and I think that is probably true. I can perhaps somewhat liken it to the prisons in the U.S. today, where people have an "attitude" about the convicted (similar to how Germans felt about the Jews) -- NOT saying it's cool, because it is NOT -- that they deserved to be treated pretty badly. Few took the time to concern themselves with the details -- as today in the U.S. where I understand that prisoners suffer quite a bit of abuse (from forced vaccinations to putting nonviolent criminals in with very violent criminals to no doubt feeding them all GMO food, freezing conditions in the cells to much too hot, etc.).

My own (late) brother was put in a federal prison in Hawaii back in the early '80s for his one-man antiwar tactic of trying to talk fighter pilots from going to bomb Granada. My brother told me -- and I cannot believe he was lying to me, because I was kind of like the mother he never had and he and I never had issues of lying to one another -- that he was put in a cell with a crazy prisoner who was a black belt in karate. My brother was a brown belt if I remember right in Kung Fu. He somehow held his own with this madman, and after a while one of the guards came in and handcuffed my brother's hands behind his back and then left again. The crazy guy was chewing his toes, etc. It was very grisly. He was also beaten up in front of the other prisoners. Some people I have told this story to do not believe me. They say it could not happen in America. People who have loved ones who have suffered in prison are more likely to know the truth (and most of them black).

So yes -- I see differences and similarities both between WW2 German people and today's Americans. And no offense to the Christians here, (I consider myself Christian too, though not a religious Christian of any denomination and I don't listen to preachers but my own heart and some of the best of the best in the Bible such as the Golden Rule), a lot of American families at least when I was a kid in the '50s had the saying, "Spare the rod and spoil the child." They got that from the Bible and it has been widely translated to mean a kid won't be any good unless you spank, etc. I have a different translation I feel makes much more sense. In the days of the Bible the rod was what shepherd's used to GUIDE the sheep. They did not HIT the sheep with the rods, but GUIDED them.

People who have grown up believing it is right to spank and hit kids into submission, (which I'm sorry to say includes Drake and Terri), have unwittingly been also teaching violence, aggressiveness and "might is right." I brought up my son with nurturing and guidance (and short time-outs when he was too little to converse with) and treated him always with the same respect and dignity I treat adults. Many who know him for many years have exclaimed to me that I am the best mother they ever met -- not because they were familiar with my practices, but because my son has impressed them so much. He continues to make me look good, haha, and will be 26 years old this week.

I think a lot of what we are talking about here could be under the subheading of social psychology, so hopefully this is not considered off-topic....

[EnergyGardener]

If you have spend the same amount of energy, time and heard all their ridicule as me, you would probably call for the guillotine of the Nazi sheeple!


Say no more, please!

[Neptun]

The guillotine stuff was a joke by the way. I have to write this, because Americans don't understand irony without underlining it. No offense.

It's a culture thing. Danes are used to say whatever they feel without moderating what they say. When Danes debate each other, they don't hold anything back or try to avoid hurting feelings. They are very direct and emotional in their rhetoric and use bizarre humor.

I have to hold back how I normally communicate. to avoid other cultures to hate Denmark with a passion because of misunderstanding of our ways. :o

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
Edmund Burke

[Hervé]

In this interview by Alex Collier That is Channeled Telepathically from Moraney, Alexs Andromedan contact, states that the resignations of the many Ceo's is part of a much bigger plan by the upper heirarchys new hidden agendas. Have a listen. Interesting to say the least.

http://www.spreaker.com/user/shinydemise/alex_collier_interview_statement

Re-enforcing the caveat:


The caveat... so that one keeps sharpenning one's discernment tools, all edges, and refrain from shoving them into storage....

The "Orion Model" as explained by Alex Collier around the 25 minute mark:

http://kiwi6.com/file/f8s5019nne


When one applies the model to the “White Hats,” the “saviors” that are supposed to get us rid of the (human) controllers, one may realize that these “White Hats” may indeed be of a darker black hue than the blackest of “Black Hats.”

Because… what’s the “solution” to the problem of these “bad” ETs and their illuminati consorts?

… get into agreement with the “good” ETs, sign the papers on the dotted line… deal!

Now Earth can be "legally" monitored and controlled beyond any recourse except another of these wars in the sky of Ancient India fame.

Hence, how does one recognizes an actual “good” ET? I have no answer to that since, for all these bezillions of years where, the most intelligent, perceptive, psychic, clairvoyant, wizard, sorcerer and witch beings have been fooled over and over, again and again without ever managing to thwart the scheme.


The only certainty (?) in either the white or black hats case is that the "controllers" are out... under all apparency....

Check this post and following also:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43728-Debt-Crisis-Plotted-to-Deliver-the-Euro-to-the-IMF&p=467215&viewfull=1#post467215

[Kimberley]

Hello my friends! Since I am in Jamaica and internet connection is VERY slow and limited I have not read every post in this thread or been able to click on links etc... However I feel the love!! So even though I only thanked a very few due to time and connection... THANK YOU ONE AND ALL!!!

Being here in my other home, a third world country, a place I love and have been privileged to frequent and have made many many friends, that I am closer to than a lot of my biological "family", for over 12 yeas now, I so love being here and helping all I can in a much bigger way than I can in the USA.

Today we feed 12+ people and the left over bones and every left over morsel was feed to 6+ dog neighbors. Nothing went to waste, every bone (bones are feed to the dogs in Jamaica), chicken skin boiled and added to any left over rice is fed to the dogs.

The sense of community and working together is strong here, way more so than I witness in the USA. The pace of life is what i call Jamaica/Island time, no one is in a hurry and they just go with the flow. Smiles and laughter are the norm. Even though the poverty level is more prevalent than my experience and probably the experience of many of us that are able to be reading this.


I stopped giving to feed the children, green peace and the such many years ago. I started supporting my friends in Jamaica, people I know and love. I do not get a tax write off and could give a rats tail about that. I realized i can not feed the world, however if I help to feed a few that is the best i can do... and we do not help just when we are here.. we tithe our giving to our friends in Jamaica year round, whether we are here in the physical or not. However it sure is fun to break bread with my friends in the physical.

So, I am so EXPECTING/SEEING the "CHANGE", the turn around form the greed and control that has been perpetrated on the 99%! We ARE DOING IT!!!

I am SO VERY grateful for all that is and the abundance of the universes.

I am not sharing this for thanks or any ego need. I am sharing my vission for the planet...to give as much as we are able to give and know we are being the best we can be.

Much love from the land of One World One Love!!

And so it IS!!!! :grouphug:

[modwiz]

Notice I call for amnesty and peace and have forgiven the Elite and see no reason to put them in jail.


You make no sense. How do you forgive someone for something they are still doing, with renewed vigor and urgency, and are nowhere near being contrite? I reiterate. You make no sense. You do exhibit an odd sympathy for the currently active criminals. Something is not right here and it is not about you being compassionate. Your remarks for the non-criminals demonstrate that.

There is something very wrong with your comments, taken side by side. Anger at the wronged and forgiveness for the uncontrite and still active wrong-doers.

Something is rotten in Denmark.

[Avocadess]

WhiteFeather: I have heard about this -- Alex Collier basically saying this is all faked by the controlling elites just getting rid of people they don't really care about to make a "show" as if they were really going down but that they are not really going down. (Please correct me if I am wrong because I chose not to listen to Alex's whole talk.)

I have thought about this a lot. I always liked Alex Collier but just cannot find myself to agree with this. My strongest argument that the mass arrests as expressed by Drake as "it's gonna happen and nothing will stop it" could not be a ruling elite plot is this: that Drake has spoken to the troops directly in at least two and probably three of the shows I have listened to -- where he is telling them that "I was just following orders" is NOT a good defense and that they WILL be convicted in the future if they go along with the "bad guys" and turn against the American people. I cannot think of ONE good reason an elitist plot would allow him to be putting such ideas into the troops' heads.

My personal take on it is that Alex believes he is telling us the right thing -- just as Alex Jones and Steven Quayle think they are being the heroes -- when all three of them (and others) are PSYCHOLOGICALLY psyching people out into FEAR mode, which is never a good thing psychologically. Practically, yes -- it is good to "fear" being burned, etc. -- but that is not a psychological fear; it is a common sense fear.

[Neptun]

Notice I call for amnesty and peace and have forgiven the Elite and see no reason to put them in jail.


You make no sense. How do you forgive someone for something they are still doing, with renewed vigor and urgency, and are nowhere near being contrite? I reiterate. You make no sense. You do exhibit an odd sympathy for the currently active criminals. Something is not right here and it is not about you being compassionate. Your remarks for the non-criminals demonstrate that.

There is something very wrong with your comments, taken side by side. Anger at the wronged and forgiveness for the uncontrite and still active wrong-doers.

Something is rotten in Denmark.

It is because, I understand how everything fits together with the Elite and the Sheep and how they are a mirror. You also have to have in consideration that I'm a hardcore truther and have worked very hard to wake many people up and spend allot of time every day out on the information battlefield. I have talked with Elites and understand how they think.

First I was angry with the Elite, when I was waking people up. I looked very deep into the abyss to understand the Elite to better defeat them.
Then I learned how they thought and I discovered they are a mirror of our weakness. i talked with people from the other side and understood their twisted logic.

Then my anger turned around towards the sheeple, because I saw they are not victims but part of this evil.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
Edmund Burke

I found out the sheep don't care about any other than themselves and will report you to the controllers and ship you to the nearest FEMA center, if they had to.

I'm in the process of forgiving the sheeple too and that is why I wrote I need to kick some sheeple ass(verbally) for several month and blow off steam.

You don't defeat Lucifers army with hate but with forgiveness and divine love.

[Mozart]

Cognitive Dissident: Drake has said several times (on different shows) that the FEMA camps will be used to hold them and then there will be due process of law -- only THIS time they will not be able to "buy justice" and just walk away from it.



Don't you mean "dissonance", Avocadess?

Awesome post, btw!

[Alie]

Regarding FEAR

Why do we continually judge these guys --- we tend to be good at smelling a rat and I don't think that Alex Jones stinks.

Since there are as many different kinds of people as stars in the sky, there are different types of motivators for people to respond to. I think it's like church -- why else would there be different denominations? It's because you identify/resonate with certain kinds of people and therefore different congregations of people.

The message I receive and act on will probably be a different message that an aggressive type A man would respond to. (I am passive/assertive female and DO NOT LIKE a strong in your face message.)

So, I think you have to have an overview of people's life work and try to read their core ---

I'm trying to say --- fear wakes up some people and others can't stand to be afraid, rational discussion wakes me up ---

[modwiz]

Notice I call for amnesty and peace and have forgiven the Elite and see no reason to put them in jail.


You make no sense. How do you forgive someone for something they are still doing, with renewed vigor and urgency, and are nowhere near being contrite? I reiterate. You make no sense. You do exhibit an odd sympathy for the currently active criminals. Something is not right here and it is not about you being compassionate. Your remarks for the non-criminals demonstrate that.

There is something very wrong with your comments, taken side by side. Anger at the wronged and forgiveness for the uncontrite and still active wrong-doers.

Something is rotten in Denmark.

It is because, I understand how everything fits together with the Elite and the Sheep and how they are a mirror. You also have to have in consideration that I'm a hardcore truther and have worked very hard to wake many people up and spend allot of time every day out on the information battlefield. I have talked with Elites and understand how they think.

First I was angry with the Elite, when I was waking people up. I looked very deep into the abyss to understand the Elite to better defeat them.
Then I learned how they thought and I discovered they are a mirror of our weakness. i talked with people from the other side and understood their twisted logic.

Then my anger turned around towards the sheeple because I saw they are not victims but part of this evil.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
Edmund Burke

I found out the sheep don't care about any other than themselves and will report you to the controllers and ship you to the nearest FEMA center if they had to.

I'm in the process of forgiving the sheeple too and that is why I wrote I need to kick some sheeple ass(verbally) for several month and blow off steam.

You don't defeat Lucifers army with hate but with forgiveness and divine love.

I purposely stayed away from saying the wronged are victims. I do see a complicity, but allowing yourself to be abused is very different than being the abuser, and justifying it. Some enjoy it, there is no doubting this.

[Kimberley]

Hello my friends! Since I am in Jamaica and internet connection is VERY slow and limited I have not read every post in this thread or been able to click on links etc... However I feel the love!! So even though I only thanked a very few due to time and connection... THANK YOU ONE AND ALL!!!

Being here in my other home, a third world country, a place I love and have been privileged to frequent and have made many many friends, that I am closer to than a lot of my biological "family", for over 12 yeas now, I so love being here and helping all I can in a much bigger way than I can in the USA.

Today we feed 12+ people and the left over bones and every left over morsel was feed to 6+ dog neighbors. Nothing went to waste, every bone (bones are feed to the dogs in Jamaica), chicken skin boiled and added to any left over rice is fed to the dogs.

The sense of community and working together is strong here, way more so than I witness in the USA. The pace of life is what i call Jamaica/Island time, no one is in a hurry and they just go with the flow. Smiles and laughter are the norm. Even though the poverty level is more prevalent than my experience and probably the experience of many of us that are able to be reading this.


I stopped giving to feed the children, green peace and the such many years ago. I started supporting my friends in Jamaica, people I know and love. I do not get a tax write off and could give a rats tail about that. I realized i can not feed the world, however if I help to feed a few that is the best i can do... and we do not help just when we are here.. we tithe our giving to our friends in Jamaica year round, whether we are here in the physical or not. However it sure is fun to break bread with my friends in the physical.

So, I am so EXPECTING/SEEING the "CHANGE", the turn around form the greed and control that has been perpetrated on the 99%! We ARE DOING IT!!!

I am SO VERY grateful for all that is and the abundance of the universes.

I am not sharing this for thanks or any ego need. I am sharing my vission for the planet...to give as much as we are able to give and know we are being the best we can be.

Much love from the land of One World One Love!!

And so it IS!!!! :grouphug:

[mosquito]

Thanks Karelia - an interesting question, one which I think too many people don't even consider. Allow me if I may to set your original question in a slightly wider context.

How do we get from where we are NOW, with the momentum we have, to where we wish to be ?

Anyone who stops to think about it will realize that it isn't a simple 2 step process. And given that even on this forum there is huge disagreement as to where we want to be, how much more disagreement is there "out there" ? Who's right ?

As for the mass arrests - who exactly is going to arrest these people ? With what are they going to be charged ? To a man/woman the banksters have propped up, bought out, manipulated the very lawmakers of most countries, doing so with the tacit approval of "the law". Why is "the law" all of a sudden going to develop a conscience and a sense of morality ? It's survived and flourished for centuries without either. Maybe a military coup is the answer to my question, but pardon me if I ask to be excused from that particular solution !

Anyway, assuming the arrests take place, unless they are to be an act of futile window-dressing, the next step needs to be the implementation of a transitional system, one which will assist us (and by "us", I mean the whole of humanity, not just America) in moving toward a system which will serve us for the foreseeable future. (I'm using the word "system" in a quite wide context, including finance, leadership, spirituality, cosmology) This is not going to happen over night, it will probably take decades. Unfortunately, we've become less and less able to act on behalf of posterity, becoming more and more focussed on lifetime goals. As an example, look at the Gothic cathedrals in Europe. They took decades to build, and I doubt if even one of them was ever seen in its' completed state by its' designer ! Yet nowadays we throw up the ugliest junk imaginable in a couple of years.

Back to the question: Ok, so the bastards have all been arrested and we have a transitional government. The vast majority of people will be in a state of shock having had their world shattered. Saying they'll be "outside their comfort zone" is an understatement; they'd been sold a dream, a dream they believed in and a dream they wanted to be true. These are not going to be happy little bunnies ! So whatever happens in this transitional phase, there is likely to be a lot of discomfort, for everyone.

Unfortunately, there are an awful lot of people who actually want what the NWO is offering, "security" at the expense of freedom, banal entertainment on tap, life's comforts delivered to the door with no effort. Which is why I believe that we aren't going to make much progress unless there is some kind of Earth-wide event, be it a war or a disaster, that knocks people out of their stupour. We as individuals still need to do something though, work on becoming more conscious, work on being the change and walking the talk, tough though it may be.

[foreverfan]

The guillotine stuff was a joke by the way. I have to write this, because Americans don't understand irony without underlining it. No offense.

It is a culture thing. Danes are used to say what ever they feel without moderating what they say. When Danes debate each other, they don't hold anything back or try to avoid hurting feelings. They are very direct and emotional in their rhetoric and use bizarre humor.

I have to hold back, how I normally communicate to avoid other cultures to hate Denmark with a passion because of misunderstanding of our ways. :o

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
Edmund Burke

Not much slips by me, but if they chop off their heads, I don't think it would be ironic. Just saying.

I think the major difference is the whole Political Correctness movement in this country is we have so many ethic backgrounds all of who vote. So political correctness has just become another way they try to divide and conquer. It's just a way to control white people and make them feel bad for being white. Sound ridiculous I know. It's just a way to make you feel guilty for exposing the obvious truth. It's complete and utter BS. It's all part of having Orientals, Blacks, Indians, Muslims, Jews, Mexicans, and Hispanics. All of the white people of European decent have been programmed by the TV to feel guilty for being WHITE and are told to STFU.

Imagine that? Politicians have to tiptoe in this country. What I hate is all of the MSM talking heads constantly have a ****eating grin on when ever they are talking about anything. No one actually reports the news. They just give you their BS spin. It's out of control.

[Mozart]

First I was angry with the Elite, when I was waking people up. I looked very deep into the abyss to understand the Elite to better defeat them.

*snip*

Then my anger turned around towards the sheeple, because I saw they are not victims but part of this evil.



Neptun ~


My struggle of cycles of anger/rage at the elites very closely matches your struggle and it also was directed to the damn peons / sheople of the world, not just Americans, but mainly Americans.


It took the two to tango -- the tyrants and the peons -- to create the centuries of oppression of the elites upon all of us, including those who have awakened and/or were in the process of awakening.


So I admit that I'm going to have an attitude with the peons, depending on if they are stubbornly refusing to wake up, even AFTER the mass arrests. It would be a case-by-case basis for me.


But I always start with the gentle approach and I always try to engage with the peon in attempting to get the peon to explore this new world by asking one's own questions and working their own thought processes, rather than hitting them with a bat, which is what I'd feel like doing, sometimes, but I know that hitting them is no solution at all.


Most of us who are awake now were once asleep. I was a bit asleep a long time ago, though even from an early age, I totally hated the IRS ... at a tender age of 13 years with nobody in my family being in the sovereignty world. I was in the freedom / sovereignty world on my own with regards to my family, friends and peers. It's been a lonely journey.


But I really take pride in the fact that my lonely path down sovereignty / freedom has turned out to be the right path for the rebirth of our long-lost Republic.


So pat yourself on your back for understanding so much about these issues, but be humble in presenting this information to others who are thirsty for this knowledge, yet kick some stubborn ones in their virtual ass, if needed, to prod them along.


You know the story of horses and the trough, right? So all you can do is to try to encourage those stubborn horses to drink the deep waters of freedom and leave it at that.


~Mozart

[Neptun]

Notice I call for amnesty and peace and have forgiven the Elite and see no reason to put them in jail.


You make no sense. How do you forgive someone for something they are still doing, with renewed vigor and urgency, and are nowhere near being contrite? I reiterate. You make no sense. You do exhibit an odd sympathy for the currently active criminals. Something is not right here and it is not about you being compassionate. Your remarks for the non-criminals demonstrate that.

There is something very wrong with your comments, taken side by side. Anger at the wronged and forgiveness for the uncontrite and still active wrong-doers.

Something is rotten in Denmark.

It is because, I understand how everything fits together with the Elite and the Sheep and how they are a mirror. You also have to have in consideration that I'm a hardcore truther and have worked very hard to wake many people up and spend allot of time every day out on the information battlefield. I have talked with Elites and understand how they think.

First I was angry with the Elite, when I was waking people up. I looked very deep into the abyss to understand the Elite to better defeat them.
Then I learned how they thought and I discovered they are a mirror of our weakness. i talked with people from the other side and understood their twisted logic.

Then my anger turned around towards the sheeple because I saw they are not victims but part of this evil.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
Edmund Burke

I found out the sheep don't care about any other than themselves and will report you to the controllers and ship you to the nearest FEMA center if they had to.

I'm in the process of forgiving the sheeple too and that is why I wrote I need to kick some sheeple ass(verbally) for several month and blow off steam.

You don't defeat Lucifers army with hate but with forgiveness and divine love.

I purposely stayed away from saying the wronged are victims. I do see a complicity, but allowing yourself to be abused is very different than being the abuser, and justifying it. Some enjoy it, there is no doubting this.

BTW. I do remember you speaking about negative propaganda towards a certain political entity in Palestine. Apparently, this Danish protester accidently made this soldier strike him with his rifle. Perhaps he was telling Palestinian lies.

Israeli soldier clubs Danish protester with rifle
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/16/israeli-soldier-clubs-danish-protester

What have the mainstream media said about the Danish guy in Israel. Not much other than showing the few secs. when the soldier knocked him down, what was pretty mild reaction compared to Danish police that are violent fascist pigs.

Standard beating that chocked the international media and climate change demonstrators not used to danish style demonstration:
puiAD69B5v4

One time the danish police were shooting at the demonstrators with guns, it happened 18 May 1993 EU Riots of Copenhagen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA8bsDS3KuY&feature=related

We don't know, if this danish guy have been attacking the soldier or done something that made the soldier react the way he did. The soldier said he had broken a finger and they where attacking him. Even the PM of Israel apologist for the accident.

When demonstrators in Denmark are fighting the police, they are super provocative and demonstrations are often very rough. The demonstrators would use firebombs and stones even toilets thrown out from buildings against the police.

For an Israeli soldier to behave this way takes allot of provocation. These guys know the world is watching their every move and if they do one mistake, it will go viral on the internet and become front page news worldwide. I have communicated with IDF, when the the mainstream media covered the free Gaza blockade thing. The truth was very different than the mainstream media showed. Would that be a surprise? Don't we all know the mainstream media are lies and propaganda?

[Mozart]

Hello my friends! Since I am in Jamaica and internet connection is VERY slow and limited I have not read every post in this thread or been able to click on links etc... However I feel the love!! So even though I only thanked a very few due to time and connection... THANK YOU ONE AND ALL!!!




Kimberly ~~ You rock!


Thank you very much for sharing your inspiring story!


~Mozart

[Kimberley]

You don't defeat Lucifers army with hate but with forgiveness and divine love.

I agree with this and take it a step deeper... Judge not lest you be judged. If you do not judge there is nothing to forgive!

We all have been participants in all that is...whether we agree or not, it is so.

We are at a time in this rise of consciousness to take FULL responsibility for all that is in our "reality".

If we see it we had some part in creating it... So now we know we can change it and move beyond it and into the place we envision to create.

We are creators/co-creators and it is time to step up to the plate and take personal responsibility.

Much love!!

[Chester]

If we are to rise above it all we are definitely going to have get over our competitive nature. This drive for security, success and fortune is what causes all the problems. We're all guilty of it to some degree.

I found that to the degree I rest in the knowledge I am an eternal being is inversely proportional to the degree I am success driven, competitive, etc. This has come upon me as I have grown older and was NOT the case when I was young. I don't make a pile of money anymore (I live week to week now) but I have a peace from this connection and I am much calmer and much more pleasant to be around than I was when young and full of all that crazy drive. I attribute my awakened connection to the research I have done.

My point is that such massive revelations must come forth if the Drake plan actually happens as planned that I suspect a massive awakening as to who we really are will also come forth. The world view of the masses will change so dramatically that so much of the by products of the old world order will naturally and rapidly melt away.

We can do it.

[Neptun]

You don't defeat Lucifers army with hate but with forgiveness and divine love.

I agree with this and take it a step deeper... Judge not lest you be judged. If you do not judge there is nothing to forgive!

We all have been participants in all that is...whether we agree or not, it is so.

We are at a time in this rise of consciousness to take FULL responsibility for all that is in our "reality".

If we see it we had some part in creating it... So now we know we can change it and move beyond it and into the place we envision to create.

We are creators/co-creators and it is time to step up to the plate and take personal responsibility.

Much love!!

I agree. By taking responsibility for this tyranny, we take back our powers. The Elite have no power over us, if we don't willfully go along with it.

Who is forcing women and children to be radiated and humiliated by men in uniform, that will see them naked? Why do people go along with this stuff?:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-H6p5yAKdVAM/TX-jdt0ZI5I/AAAAAAAAOR0/EsLCfFjs_Uk/s400/dees_tsa_choice_molestation_radiation.jpg

[KiwiElf]

I think it is wayyy too soon to be answering that important question. Speculation is just that, it isn't (yet) reality. Be patient. Have a Kit-Kat. Chilllll ... events will unfold as they should. And you will know, one way or the other. There's plenty to do meantime. Luv Ya! :)

[Neptun]

The guillotine stuff was a joke by the way. I have to write this, because Americans don't understand irony without underlining it. No offense.

It is a culture thing. Danes are used to say what ever they feel without moderating what they say. When Danes debate each other, they don't hold anything back or try to avoid hurting feelings. They are very direct and emotional in their rhetoric and use bizarre humor.

I have to hold back, how I normally communicate to avoid other cultures to hate Denmark with a passion because of misunderstanding of our ways. :o

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
Edmund Burke

Not much slips by me, but if they chop off their heads, I don't think it would be ironic. Just saying.

I think the major difference is the whole Political Correctness movement in this country is we have so many ethic backgrounds all of who vote. So political correctness has just become another way they try to divide and conquer. It's just a way to control white people and make them feel bad for being white. Sound ridiculous I know. It's just a way to make you feel guilty for exposing the obvious truth. It's complete and utter BS. It's all part of having Orientals, Blacks, Indians, Muslims, Jews, Mexicans, and Hispanics. All of the white people of European decent have been programmed by the TV to feel guilty for being WHITE and are told to STFU.

Imagine that? Politicians have to tiptoe in this country. What I hate is all of the MSM talking heads constantly have a ****eating grin on when ever they are talking about anything. No one actually reports the news. They just give you their BS spin. It's out of control.
I understand the US public is being oppressed with political correctness and it's a control mechanism. The aggression raises because Americans always have to avoid insulting others, so it becomes a passive aggressive culture, instead of just letting the energy flow, so there is no oppressed aggression.

Danes do not feel guilty of being whites, we don't even think about our skin colour and yes we had slaves too.
http://complit.ku.dk/islamineuropeanliterature/workingpapers/dokument4/

and tyrannized the natives from Greenland(former danish colony and now kind of part of Denmark) and turned their rich culture into an alcoholic loser society and the vikings raped nones and burned down cities.

I'm not sure if the Greenlenders appreciate Denmark?

Danes use humor to blow of some tension, it also happened with the Muhammad cartoons that pissed off 1 billion Muslims and there have been several terror attack attempts because of that.

Danish political incorrect humor from the National newspaper:
http://wulffmorgenthaler.com/img/strip/-WM_strip_DK_20120329.jpg
http://wulffmorgenthaler.com/2012/03/29/

You may not believe me and think it's part of a sneaky danish irony attempt and not true these cartoons are in a national newspaper.

I don't think this one would work in an American newspaper:
http://wulffmorgenthaler.com/img/strip/-WM_strip_DK_20120108.jpg

See for yourself:
http://heltnormalt.dk/striben/2012/04/17

[Neptun]

First I was angry with the Elite, when I was waking people up. I looked very deep into the abyss to understand the Elite to better defeat them.

*snip*

Then my anger turned around towards the sheeple, because I saw they are not victims but part of this evil.



Neptun ~


My struggle of cycles of anger/rage at the elites very closely matches your struggle and it also was directed to the damn peons / sheople of the world, not just Americans, but mainly Americans.


It took the two to tango -- the tyrants and the peons -- to create the centuries of oppression of the elites upon all of us, including those who have awakened and/or were in the process of awakening.


So I admit that I'm going to have an attitude with the peons, depending on if they are stubbornly refusing to wake up, even AFTER the mass arrests. It would be a case-by-case basis for me.


But I always start with the gentle approach and I always try to engage with the peon in attempting to get the peon to explore this new world by asking one's own questions and working their own thought processes, rather than hitting them with a bat, which is what I'd feel like doing, sometimes, but I know that hitting them is no solution at all.


Most of us who are awake now were once asleep. I was a bit asleep a long time ago, though even from an early age, I totally hated the IRS ... at a tender age of 13 years with nobody in my family being in the sovereignty world. I was in the freedom / sovereignty world on my own with regards to my family, friends and peers. It's been a lonely journey.


But I really take pride in the fact that my lonely path down sovereignty / freedom has turned out to be the right path for the rebirth of our long-lost Republic.


So pat yourself on your back for understanding so much about these issues, but be humble in presenting this information to others who are thirsty for this knowledge, yet kick some stubborn ones in their virtual ass, if needed, to prod them along.


You know the story of horses and the trough, right? So all you can do is to try to encourage those stubborn horses to drink the deep waters of freedom and leave it at that.


~Mozart

I agree with you.

Yesterday I told some people on a real estate social media to GFYS, because they could not understand the Fractional Reserve Banking scam what is pretty obvious.

I have found out the sheep listen when someone is ridiculing them back or tell them they are morons and talk down to them with authority. Maybe it only works with danish sheep?

Basically it is about being strong in our reality and leave them if they are too idiotic and can't understand simple logic.

[Paranormal]

I personally hope the same thing will happen as in France after 1789 - that 10% of people who supported the state will be sent to the guillitine - off with their heads. I personally don't care if a few of the "wrong" people lose their heads. As long as all the real bureaucrats are executed, we will be safe.

[Neptun]

I personally hope the same thing will happen as in France after 1789 - that 10% of people who supported the state will be sent to the guillitine - off with their heads. I personally don't care if a few of the "wrong" people lose their heads. As long as all the real bureaucrats are executed, we will be safe.

I meant it as a joke to dramatize my anger and blow off steam.

We have to forgive even the Nazi bastard sheeple too. We are all responsible for this tyranny and if we truly want freedom as an individual, there are ways to get it.

[we-R-one]

Notice I call for amnesty and peace and have forgiven the Elite and see no reason to put them in jail.


You make no sense. How do you forgive someone for something they are still doing, with renewed vigor and urgency, and are nowhere near being contrite? I reiterate. You make no sense. You do exhibit an odd sympathy for the currently active criminals. Something is not right here and it is not about you being compassionate. Your remarks for the non-criminals demonstrate that.

There is something very wrong with your comments, taken side by side. Anger at the wronged and forgiveness for the uncontrite and still active wrong-doers.

Something is rotten in Denmark.

Let me see if I can give you a different viewpoint and make sense of what this poster is trying to convey. Earth is currently inhabited with 3rd dimensional thinking. One of the belief systems that comes from this dimension is an eye for an eye. If you were to take a higher dimensional approach you would see that the Powers That Were have offered you endless "fuel" to work with through their evil doings. This is the very opportunity that humans are overlooking and it is this opportunity that has the ability to change our reality out of the game of duality. The poster you are questioning is suggesting that one takes a different route rather than an eye for an eye through forgiveness. If you put the science behind this suggestion you will find the poster's approach to be accurate. Every living and non-living thing vibrates at a frequency. It is said that love and compassion vibrates at the highest frequency rate. Change the way you think and you change your reality, it's that simple. And when we as a society understand and practice this thought process we will help to transform Earth into a reality where duality no longer exists as the negative energy will no longer be able to survive in the higher dimensional frequencies of love and compassion.

This is merely a game being played down here on Earth called the Polarity Integration Game or the game of duality, otherwise known as the game of the light and the dark. The dark one's have served their purpose and served it well. For this they should not be judged but forgiven. You see because of their evil ways they have awakened millions. So what next is what the original poster asked?? You take that negative energy they have so kindly continued to generate and you transmute it into love and compassion through acceptance and forgiveness, that's what's next! Now...how do I know this??? This is the very action I took when struggling with a difficult personal situation and it is through this way of thinking that I experienced a Kundalini. Just a side note, but this experience happened at the mere age of 25; there was no coaching, so I knew there was significance to this thought process. What I didn't understand at the time, was that I was "transmuting" energy. I took the terrible situation I had been submitted to for many years and I "accepted" the bad parts of it and the lessons learned and than I "accepted" the good parts of the experience, all within my heart. The integration point of acceptance of both the positive and negative energies was forgiveness and compassion. This is the exact point when I experienced the Kundalini. Love and compassion have the ability to change your DNA structure from a more carbon base to chrystalline! When you change your DNA structure you stop disease! This what they don't want you to know!

All this craziness going on, is by design, to offer you the opportunity, your souls, to evolve and remove yourself from the horrors of experiencing the game of duality by understanding how to save yourself. 5th dimension which is where we're headed is about understanding that you are the creators of your reality. What I just shared with you is how you go about creating that reality! Change the way you think! It's all about consciousness. If you look at the science you will see that we are tied into the same Sourcefield of energy. It is through collective consciousess that we will be able to change our world that harbors peace not violence, but it starts with each individual changing how they think. When society comes to this realization "collectively" it is then you will see real change take place and a dimensional shift. Do not miss this opportunity to transmute negative energy! Your emotions vibrate at a frequency so if you harbor all the negative energies that an eye for an eye suggest such as anger and fear, you are feeding the beast and creating the very enviroment that you loathe.

Take this into consideration......notice how grass fed cows are the more desired form of beef to consume according to health advocates? .......Why is that.....and why don't "they" want you to have access to this food source? Grass fed cows source of energy comes from chlorophyll. And how is chlorophyll produced? It's produced by the sun and guess what, the sun vibrates at 528Hz frequency, the frequency of love which is the very thing your body wants to sustain itself.

Everything around you consists of energy. How you decide to use it will determine where you go in the future. You are consciousness down here having an experience, you are immortal! How you think, will determine the reality you'll find yourself in the future. Do any of you really want to experience duality all over again? There are only two reasons that I can think of that you would have to: 1. You choose to come back to this reality maybe to help other souls or 2. You didn't learn the lessons needed and therefore you must repeat the experience again till you get the message. Please do not discount what I am saying, I'm completely serious. My background is that of a Star Seed. We come from advanced civilizations not from this world with the purpose of incarnating onto this planet in order to help humanity through the ascension process that is currently taking place. I am jumping up and down here because I see the opportunity that sits before you. You have free will to choose the path you are most comfortable with, so if this does not sit well in your heart it is best that you continue in the direction that most suits your journey.

For those who are ready to move in a different direction you will hopefully find something in my post that resonates within your soul. By forgiving, and generating positive energy of love and compassion and putting that out into Sourcefield, you help lay the foundation to a future in which these games of duality can no longer survive on this planet. This is the future for those who choose to walk this path.

[Neptun]

Amazing post we-R-one,

I could not have said it better my self.

I feel all my life has been preparing me to move up to the next level. I even got a mother that is a psychologist and talked about psychology when I barely could speak.

You are absolutely right. The key is to change the mindset from blaming others and take FULL responsibility for our own reality, we have created with our thoughts. We are energy and we attract, what we think.

The "bad guys" have indeed motivated us to seek truth and hardcore spiritual search and for that, I thank them. I don't see them as my enemy any more.

When I talked with one of those from the other side he said"We do not see you(us) as our enemy. You will discover that later on in your journey", "those that survive our attack are worthy to live with us"

u9Md7i6lUAM

They are a mirror of us. A Nemesis teaching us a lesson about taking responsibility. When we learn that, we are most likely ready for the next level in this great game called life.

Maybe we should make a checklist of how to think the right way to raise the frequency for those that are serious about moving up to the next level.

[karelia]

we-R-one,

THANK YOU! What you wrote is profound and resonates on a very deep level with me. I forget all too often that it's ALL ABOUT consciousness while allowing myself to be submerged in the everyday mundane things.

And welcome to Avalon!

[WhiteFeather]

In this interview by Alex Collier That is Channeled Telepathically from Moraney, Alexs Andromedan contact, states that the resignations of the many Ceo's is part of a much bigger plan by the upper heirarchys new hidden agendas. Have a listen. Interesting to say the least.

http://www.spreaker.com/user/shinydemise/alex_collier_interview_statement

Re-enforcing the caveat:


The caveat... so that one keeps sharpenning one's discernment tools, all edges, and refrain from shoving them into storage....

The "Orion Model" as explained by Alex Collier around the 25 minute mark:

http://kiwi6.com/file/f8s5019nne


When one applies the model to the “White Hats,” the “saviors” that are supposed to get us rid of the (human) controllers, one may realize that these “White Hats” may indeed be of a darker black hue than the blackest of “Black Hats.”

Because… what’s the “solution” to the problem of these “bad” ETs and their illuminati consorts?

… get into agreement with the “good” ETs, sign the papers on the dotted line… deal!

Now Earth can be "legally" monitored and controlled beyond any recourse except another of these wars in the sky of Ancient India fame.

Hence, how does one recognizes an actual “good” ET? I have no answer to that since, for all these bezillions of years where, the most intelligent, perceptive, psychic, clairvoyant, wizard, sorcerer and witch beings have been fooled over and over, again and again without ever managing to thwart the scheme.


The only certainty (?) in either the white or black hats case is that the "controllers" are out... under all apparency....

Check this post and following also:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43728-Debt-Crisis-Plotted-to-Deliver-the-Euro-to-the-IMF&p=467215&viewfull=1#post467215


We are the good ETs. Thats why we came here to assist ourselves and Mother Earth.

[risveglio]

These are just a very few issues that I think are really, really in dire need of addressing as soon as this Project Clean-up starts,

David Wilcock, having been chosen by the ancient dynastic families of the planet, as well as the consortium of 143 aligned nations against the cabal, as well as the global judicial adjudicators, to be the central liaison for the greatest transformation in the history of planet earth, is taking care of all of that.

I'd say it's all under control.:rolleyes:

Well at least he does look like Cayce. That much is true. :rolleyes:

http://charleshamel.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/cayce-wilcock.jpg

I have horrible eye sight but these two guys do not look alike to me. The nose is different. The lips on the second guy are thicker. The eyes do not have the same shape.

[araucaria]

These are just a very few issues that I think are really, really in dire need of addressing as soon as this Project Clean-up starts,

David Wilcock, having been chosen by the ancient dynastic families of the planet, as well as the consortium of 143 aligned nations against the cabal, as well as the global judicial adjudicators, to be the central liaison for the greatest transformation in the history of planet earth, is taking care of all of that.

I'd say it's all under control.:rolleyes:

Well at least he does look like Cayce. That much is true. :rolleyes:

http://charleshamel.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/cayce-wilcock.jpg

I have horrible eye sight but these two guys do not look alike to me. The nose is different. The lips on the second guy are thicker. The eyes do not have the same shape.

And the ear and the chin and the eyebrows are different too!

And David Wilcock is a blond-haired guy anyway. He doesn't even look like himself ;)

[Mozart]

Doubt all you want, if you like, but I'm telling you: Wilcock IS Cayce returned.


The charts between the two match up with one in several million odds of matching up.

David's own Source, the "Dream Voice" told him, point-blank, that he was Cayce returned.

ARE's own president met with Wilcock and was stunned with the similarity between the two.

And this has been confirmed by others.


When Wilcock had that reading with his own Source -- the very same Source that told Cayce all the amazing information that turned out to be 99% accurate in 14,000+ readings over many years -- he ran to the bathroom and threw up.

The LAST thing that Wilcock wanted was to have a "I was Cleopatra" complex, as he knew that he'd have to deal with the ridicule that comes with the territory of having such an extraordinary claim ... but in this case his extraordinary claim is fully backed up with very plausible information that really does support the idea that he's Cayce returned.

Wilcock is his own man with his own work to stand on. Now he hardly ever refers to his past life as Cayce; he'd only refer to it if someone asks him a direct question about the connection. His own Source had to push him several times to use his past life connection with Cayce as a calling card with his initial work in going public with his information.

Wilcock *IS* Cayce returned. Period.

Waste your time/energy doubting, if you want, but why do that when the evidence is overwhelming in support of Wilcock being Cayce returned?

[kcbc2010]

The guillotine stuff was a joke by the way. I have to write this, because Americans don't understand irony without underlining it. No offense.

It's a culture thing. Danes are used to say whatever they feel without moderating what they say. When Danes debate each other, they don't hold anything back or try to avoid hurting feelings. They are very direct and emotional in their rhetoric and use bizarre humor.

I have to hold back how I normally communicate. to avoid other cultures to hate Denmark with a passion because of misunderstanding of our ways. :o

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
Edmund Burke

Jealous! I'm so sick of censoring what I say because of political correctness.

[kcbc2010]

My first thought is to plan a huge party for all of us on PA, so we can use our newly acquired tech to meet each other in person in the same place for a short period of time ( and have w/the added bonus of getting away from the temper tantrum that is occurring for at least awhile).

I realize that it isn't the most practical way to spend out time after the mass arrests, but it would be fun. Toasts/hugs to everyone who has been working towards this for a very long time. I figure it will be more like the scene from Jedi where everyone is just celebrating in the own little corner of the universe after they find out that the Empire has died! Yoo Hoo! However, I have a sneaking suspicion that we will have our hands full for a long time to come because there are too many people who are CLUELESS as to the biggest drama being played out in our planet's lifetime (ok, maybe a slight exaggeration).

Especially, those of us in America/the West. A lot of people in Hollywood/NYC are going to find that nobody wants the programming they've been pushing all over the world. And in my area, we've got basic literacy/social problems already - so we have definite challenges ahead. I wonder how many people will be left in DC after all is said and done. We know TX can take care of herself, so I'm not worried at all about Texans! Just trying to wrap my head around some of this, so I can help it become a reality.

[Kimberley]

Wilcock *IS* Cayce returned. Period.

Waste your time/energy doubting, if you want, but why do that when the evidence is overwhelming in support of Wilcock being Cayce returned?

Mozart is 100% correct. Read the book "The Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce".

Much love!

[YvonneG]

Many of us have been Sheeple at some point. For me, I see it this way. I am born into a family, a culture, a country, an educatation system that all I get is endoctrination how to be good Sheeple. The generations coming after me had TV to blast them for 1000's hours on and on, training them to be good consumers. Can I blame the Sheeple? Do all Sheeple care about no other than themselves? That is not possible. I know many Sheeple that do care, but they are scared, they area confused and the fear and the many years of endocrination makes it very difficult to penetrate. I was a sheeple until the Iraqi war. I was a sheeple because I didn't like what I saw so I gave msyelf over to meditation and "seeking" the spiritual and ignorning what was going on and not being involved. When the Iraqi war started I was shocked and decided to do my own research. I was on an emailing list of actual people in Iraqi living with them, trying to helping, sending photos of the dead bodies of children.

I couldn't sleep all I could was breath and meditate and I found that to be probably my most potent spiritual practice.
No one is 100% Sheeple inside. But I do understand that we have every right to be angry and to work it through.








Notice I call for amnesty and peace and have forgiven the Elite and see no reason to put them in jail.


You make no sense. How do you forgive someone for something they are still doing, with renewed vigor and urgency, and are nowhere near being contrite? I reiterate. You make no sense. You do exhibit an odd sympathy for the currently active criminals. Something is not right here and it is not about you being compassionate. Your remarks for the non-criminals demonstrate that.

There is something very wrong with your comments, taken side by side. Anger at the wronged and forgiveness for the uncontrite and still active wrong-doers.

Something is rotten in Denmark.

It is because, I understand how everything fits together with the Elite and the Sheep and how they are a mirror. You also have to have in consideration that I'm a hardcore truther and have worked very hard to wake many people up and spend allot of time every day out on the information battlefield. I have talked with Elites and understand how they think.

First I was angry with the Elite, when I was waking people up. I looked very deep into the abyss to understand the Elite to better defeat them.
Then I learned how they thought and I discovered they are a mirror of our weakness. i talked with people from the other side and understood their twisted logic.

Then my anger turned around towards the sheeple, because I saw they are not victims but part of this evil.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
Edmund Burke

I found out the sheep don't care about any other than themselves and will report you to the controllers and ship you to the nearest FEMA center, if they had to.

I'm in the process of forgiving the sheeple too and that is why I wrote I need to kick some sheeple ass(verbally) for several month and blow off steam.

You don't defeat Lucifers army with hate but with forgiveness and divine love.

[we-R-one]

Mozart is correct. An excellent site to explore on the matter is the Institute for the Integration of Science, Intuition and Spirit. You'll be amazed at the research and study of several individuals that are on this site. It was through a board member from this organization I was able to piece together a past life of my own that I was beginning to remember. I have actually submitted my case to this institute, and am waiting to see if Dr. Semkiw will further investigate. Once you understand the process of reincarnation it becomes easier to recognize specific traits that match up from your past life with your current one. Not everyone always looks like their past life incarnations, but in David's case I think hands down, he's a spitting image of Edgar Cayce. You don't have to have the same hair color from one life to the next to be that person, it doesn't necessarily work that way. I think Dr. Semkiw probably only posts cases where the person really looks like the individual they are claiming to be because we are still living in a society that doesn't fully accept reincarnation and therefore it is more believable if physical proof can be provided. Surf around in here when you have time as it's pretty interesting:

http://www.iisis.net/index.php?page=walter-semkiw-reincarnation-past-lives-past-life-expert

[we-R-one]

we-R-one,

THANK YOU! What you wrote is profound and resonates on a very deep level with me. I forget all too often that it's ALL ABOUT consciousness while allowing myself to be submerged in the everyday mundane things.

And welcome to Avalon!

Thank you Karelia and Neptun and to the others that acknowledged my past post. I sooooo want people to not only understand but also utilize the message I conveyed.

It is very easy to slip back and forth in between 3rd dimensional thinking and higher dimensional thinking, because you become a product of the enviroment you are exposed to. I always kid and tell people that I use to be a 3rd dimensional "dimwit" before I began to wake up. It's just a process, something that all souls have to go through. Moving from sheeple status in essence to a "messiah" (creator of your own reality) is probably one of the toughest lessons to learn. Playing victim is so much easier! Initially it's hard in the beginning to change your thought process into one of forgiveness as we are constantly subjected to the staus quo mentality that "getting even" is the appropriate response. As more and more make the choice to forgive, it will become easier, as by default collective consciousness will begin to take place and slowly the masses will follow. I think it's most difficult for those of us who must lay the bridge for others to walk over as we are often outcasted for creating a trail off the beaten path. This has become a constant challenge for us Star Seeds and lightworkers which is why I have learned to become comfortable with being uncomfortable when it comes to laying down the walkways of seemingly unchartered territories. And though I am no longer a sheeple, I would proudly accept the label of being the black sheep of the herd looking for a better way to proceed. Baaaaaaa! LMAO

[Neptun]

we-R-one,

Can you shift into the 5D world or is the world the same, but you change mindsets?

[karelia]

Thank you Karelia and Neptun and to the others that acknowledged my past post. I sooooo want people to not only understand but also utilize the message I conveyed.

It is very easy to slip back and forth in between 3rd dimensional thinking and higher dimensional thinking, because you become a product of the enviroment you are exposed to. I always kid and tell people that I use to be a 3rd dimensional "dimwit" before I began to wake up. It's just a process, something that all souls have to go through. Moving from sheeple status in essence to a "messiah" (creator of your own reality) is probably one of the toughest lessons to learn. Playing victim is so much easier! Initially it's hard in the beginning to change your thought process into one of forgiveness as we are constantly subjected to the staus quo mentality that "getting even" is the appropriate response. As more and more make the choice to forgive, it will become easier, as by default collective consciousness will begin to take place and slowly the masses will follow. I think it's most difficult for those of us who must lay the bridge for others to walk over as we are often outcasted for creating a trail off the beaten path. This has become a constant challenge for us Star Seeds and lightworkers which is why I have learned to become comfortable with being uncomfortable when it comes to laying down the walkways of seemingly unchartered territories. And though I am no longer a sheeple, I would proudly accept the label of being the black sheep of the herd looking for a better way to proceed. Baaaaaaa! LMAO

Reading you makes my heart sing, "Yes! Yes! Yes!!!!!" It is a lonely path we walk, though I agree that it does become easier over time. And yes, the consciousness IS growing – has been for a number of years now.

[modwiz]

Notice I call for amnesty and peace and have forgiven the Elite and see no reason to put them in jail.


You make no sense. How do you forgive someone for something they are still doing, with renewed vigor and urgency, and are nowhere near being contrite? I reiterate. You make no sense. You do exhibit an odd sympathy for the currently active criminals. Something is not right here and it is not about you being compassionate. Your remarks for the non-criminals demonstrate that.

There is something very wrong with your comments, taken side by side. Anger at the wronged and forgiveness for the uncontrite and still active wrong-doers.

Something is rotten in Denmark.

Let me see if I can give you a different viewpoint and make sense of what this poster is trying to convey. Earth is currently inhabited with 3rd dimensional thinking. One of the belief systems that comes from this dimension is an eye for an eye. If you were to take a higher dimensional approach you would see that the Powers That Were have offered you endless "fuel" to work with through their evil doings. This is the very opportunity that humans are overlooking and it is this opportunity that has the ability to change our reality out of the game of duality. The poster you are questioning is suggesting that one takes a different route rather than an eye for an eye through forgiveness. If you put the science behind this suggestion you will find the poster's approach to be accurate. Every living and non-living thing vibrates at a frequency. It is said that love and compassion vibrates at the highest frequency rate. Change the way you think and you change your reality, it's that simple. And when we as a society understand and practice this thought process we will help to transform Earth into a reality where duality no longer exists as the negative energy will no longer be able to survive in the higher dimensional frequencies of love and compassion.

This is merely a game being played down here on Earth called the Polarity Integration Game or the game of duality, otherwise known as the game of the light and the dark. The dark one's have served their purpose and served it well. For this they should not be judged but forgiven. You see because of their evil ways they have awakened millions. So what next is what the original poster asked?? You take that negative energy they have so kindly continued to generate and you transmute it into love and compassion through acceptance and forgiveness, that's what's next! Now...how do I know this??? This is the very action I took when struggling with a difficult personal situation and it is through the proper thought process that I experienced a Kundalini. Just a side not but this experience happened at the mere age of 25; there was no coaching, so I knew there was significance to this thought process. What I didn't understand at the time, was that I was "transmuting" energy. I took the terrible situation I had been submitted to for many years and I "accepted" the bad parts of it and the lessons learned and than I "accepted" the good parts of the experience, all within my heart. The integration point of acceptance of both the positive and negative energies was forgiveness and compassion. This is the exact point when I experienced the Kundalini. Love and compassion have the ability to change your DNA structure from a more carbon base to chrystalline! When you change your DNA structure you stop disease! This what they don't want you to know!

All this craziness going on, is by design, to offer you the opportunity, your souls, to evolve and remove yourself from the horrors of experiencing the game of duality by understanding how to save yourself. 5th dimension which is where we're headed is about understanding that you are the creators of your reality. What I just shared with you is how you go about creating that reality! Change the way you think! It's all about consciousness. If you look at the science you will see that we are tied into the same Sourcefield of energy. It is through collective consciousess that we will be able to change our world that harbors peace not violence, but it starts with each individual changing how they think. When society comes to this realization "collectively" it is then you will see real change take place and a dimensional shift. Do not miss this opportunity to transmute negative energy! Your emotions vibrate at a frequency so if you harbor all the negative energies that an eye for an eye suggest such as anger and fear, you are feeding the beast and creating the very enviroment that you loathe.

Take this into consideration......notice how grass fed cows are the more desired form of beef to consume according to health advocates? .......Why is that.....and why don't "they" want you to have access to this food source? Grass fed cows source of energy comes from chlorophyll. And how is chlorophyll produced? It's produced by the sun and guess what, the sun vibrates at 528Hz frequency, the frequency of love which is the very thing your body wants to sustain itself.

Everything around you consists of energy. How you decide to use it will determine where you go in the future. You are consciousness down here having an experience, you are immortal! How you think, will determine the reality you'll find yourself in the future. Do any of you really want to experience duality all over again? There are only two reasons that I can think of that you would have to: 1. You choose to come back to this reality maybe to help other souls or 2. You didn't learn the lessons needed and therefore you must repeat the experience again till you get the message. Please do not discount what I am saying, I'm completely serious. My background is that of a Star Seed. We come from advanced civilizations not from this world with the purpose of incarnating onto this planet in order to help humanity through the ascension process that is currently taking place. I am jumping up and down here because I see the opportunity that sits before you. You have free will to choose the path you are most comfortable with, so if this does not sit well in your gut it is best that you continue in the direction that most suits your journey.

For those who are ready to move in a different direction you will hopefully find something in my post that resonates within your soul. By forgiving, and generating positive energy of love and compassion and putting that out into Sourcefield, you help lay the foundation to a future in which these games of duality can no longer survive on this planet. This is the future for those who choose to walk this path.

You might want to read some of my many posts. I am on record as not believing in punishment. I consider it a childish emotional reaction. Self defense and 'disposing of garbage' are very different concepts. In short, what do you do with a tick?

Since I have made my point(s) many times I will not again. Having to address every new member who presumes to opine towards another member who has put considerable time into being a known quality would be a tedious task.

Your overall post was very thoughtful and well put.

[RunningDeer]

In short, what do you do with a tick?

Bird food. (Just couldn't resist, modwiz. :wave:) Going, going, gone... ........................................:car:

[we-R-one]

we-R-one,

Can you shift into the 5D world or is the world the same, but you change mindsets?

It's basically a mindset. There are all kinds of people living in multi-dimensionality. Some are probably doing it and don't even realize what they're doing. If I understand correctly it's a state of consciousness not necessarily a physical place. I have heard that grid work has to be done to create the availability of various dimensions. I'm not sure exactly what this entails. My understanding of dimensions is that they are a set of specific beliefs shared and practiced by the majority. This is what creates your reality. When I began to awaken fully back in 2008, I learned quickly two things.
1. Do not operate in fear.
2. As new truth come to the surface, you must be willing to shift your set of beliefs to match those new truths.

The second point is the very reason I believe I was able to excel so quickly within higher dimensional thinking. It sounds simple enough, but amazingly for many, they will struggle with the concept. Letting go of past beliefs that you have based your reality on can be extremely scary. In essence you are asking someone to hand over their security blanket. There will be many that can't do this. What they're telling you is that their soul isn't ready to move on into the higher realms and that's ok. This was difficult for me because as a Star Seed I felt I wasn't doing my job by saving everyone like I felt I was suppose to do. Well you can't save everyone, it's just a process and those who are ready will proceed forward.

You are living within a psychological matrix. It's constructed with what I like to call "preconceived misconceptions". Within this matrix you are pounded with negative energy in order to control your mind and feed the entities who use this energy as a food source to sustain themselves. Once you step out of the fear factor you are on your way to freedom to explore various dimensions. What's difficult for many is, they don't want to hear that their world is not set up for the reasons in which they originally came to believe. So because of fear they refuse to leave the matrix, the very conglomerant that enslaves them.

[Unified Serenity]

Wow, so your opinions about DW being Cayce are fact and everyone else is WRONG! Wow, so much for respecting others views. I have never once heard of someone looking like someone from the past as meaning anything about them being re-incarnated. Cayce said he was not coming back until sometime after 2100 as I recall. So, DW's source told him. Big deal. I don't care if you believe it or not, what I do care about is this hypocritical attitude that when some of you want to say something that cannot be proven as a FACT then it's ok, but when others say it and you disagree then some, like Karelia made a post about being disappointed in people presenting their opinions as facts and treating others who disagree with disrespect. I am glad DW has helped some of you. I find all this fawning over him and his work like it's something new a bit much. Why have people left Avalon? Because of my way or the highway attitudes that don't allow for divergent views. It's very easy to have friends when everyone believes the same thing. It's wholly different to be friendly with those whom you disagree, but it can be done when it comes from a place of mutual respect and love.

Karelia said, "But in the meantime, this attitude of "It's either me or the highway" only speaks of a lower consciousness for the world to see."

When is that applicable? Those words were not uttered but the energy was the same. "Period, end of discussion" LOL

And for the record, I completely expect when someone expresses their views they believe they are correct. I am just baffled by this seeming attitude by some when it's about something you disagree with then the person is arrogant or pushy, but when it's a topic you agree with then it's just "right".

[modwiz]

In short, what do you do with a tick?

Bird food. (Just couldn't resist, modwiz. :wave:) Going, going, gone... ........................................:car:

I like it. I am sure the crows and vultures would be pleased.

[Billy]

What Then,

Will be when all lightworkers and wayshowers kick into action working your lights and showing the way foreward to all our brothers and sisters and families who are in shock and in a state of confusion.

What then

assist in cleansing our mother earth and learning about our new technology

What then

Have a party and enjoy peace on earth. :high5:

[Billy]

In short, what do you do with a tick?

balance it with a tock :clock:

:wave:

[we-R-one]

[QUOTE=Neptun;469101]

Notice I call for amnesty and peace and have forgiven the Elite and see no reason to put them in jail.


You make no sense. How do you forgive someone for something they are still doing, with renewed vigor and urgency, and are nowhere near being contrite? I reiterate. You make no sense. You do exhibit an odd sympathy for the currently active criminals. Something is not right here and it is not about you being compassionate. Your remarks for the non-criminals demonstrate that.

There is something very wrong with your comments, taken side by side. Anger at the wronged and forgiveness for the uncontrite and still active wrong-doers.

Something is rotten in Denmark.


You might want to read some of my many posts. I am on record as not believing in punishment. I consider it a childish emotional reaction. Self defense and 'disposing of garbage' are very different concepts. In short, what do you do with a tick?

Since I have made my point(s) many times I will not again. Having to address every new member who presumes to opine towards another member who has put considerable time into being a known quality would be a tedious task.

Your overall post was very thoughtful and well put.

Modwiz, point well taken, I understand your dilema. Please note that in the same manner that you don't have time to explain to every new poster your stance, I don't have the time to go back and re-read everyone's past posts, lol. I do try to get a feel for where posters are coming from as time permits, but with so many members it's impossible for me to go back and read everyone's threads. This is a common disadvantage for all forum members. And as you probably all ready know, it's often difficult to convey one's true meaning behind a post when they are not standing in front of you giving you the message. Your previous post above gave the impression that forgiving was something difficult for you, in which I truly understand why you would feel that way. My response was merely an option to help not only you, but others consider a different approach, nothing more.

[we-R-one]

I have never once heard of someone looking like someone from the past as meaning anything about them being re-incarnated.

Serenity,

Check out my post above where I list the institute which studies reincarnation. Dr. Semkiw has been studying this topic for I believe 30+ years. I'm pretty sure on his site he explains how people look like their past incarnations. It's complex and I am not skilled enough to explain, I only know of it's existence. But you will find many case studies on there where the person looks like their past incarnations. You probably haven't heard about someone looking like their past incarnate because it is not a topic that is often covered in mainstream, but the information is out there. So just because you haven't heard about it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. What I find interesting about DW case is the fact that his zodiac chart matches exactly with Edgar Cayce's and the probability of that is like 1 in a cazillion so if I were David that would definitely get my attention. Not trying to bust your chops, I do understand your viewpoint. Just take a look at that site and after surfing through it, you still don't believe, well than I'm ok with that too. ;)

I only say what I say about reincarnation because I have had my own experience with a past life identity and I have learned how to look for objectives that help in the identification process. So ya, I'm sold on it based on personal experience. It kinda falls under that premise that until it starts happening to you, it's hard to believe.

[karelia]

What Then,

Will be when all lightworkers and wayshowers kick into action working your lights and showing the way foreward to all our brothers and sisters and families who are in shock and in a state of confusion.

What then

assist in cleansing our mother earth and learning about our new technology

What then

Have a party and enjoy peace on earth. :high5:

Thank you, Billyji. Just a few minutes ago, I shared with a friend that I had really expected answers in this thread to be a) pointing out the spiritual awakening, how we (lightworkers, star seeds, etc) will help, and b) practical ideas, and so very little has appeared so far. I'm glad you brought it up!

[EnergyGardener]

What Then,

Will be when all lightworkers and wayshowers kick into action working your lights and showing the way foreward to all our brothers and sisters and families who are in shock and in a state of confusion.

What then

assist in cleansing our mother earth and learning about our new technology

What then

Have a party and enjoy peace on earth. :high5:

Thank you, Billyji. Just a few minutes ago, I shared with a friend that I had really expected answers in this thread to be a) pointing out the spiritual awakening, how we (lightworkers, star seeds, etc) will help, and b) practical ideas, and so very little has appeared so far. I'm glad you brought it up!

karelia, That was my plans for "STEP SEVEN - Preparation and Maintenance of Mind and Body." But I wanted to put together a team, particularly PA members with extensive meditation knowledge, that could provide direction that is attractive to those from all cultures. I hope to get my outlines going to this objective if I can muster more time in the next few days, but would welcome some other party carrying that torch.

[karelia]

karelia, That was my plans for "STEP SEVEN - Preparation and Maintenance of Mind and Body." But I wanted to put together a team, particularly PA members with extensive meditation knowledge, that could provide direction that is attractive to those from all cultures. I hope to get my outlines going to this objective if I can muster more time in the next few days, but would welcome some other party carrying that torch.

I read your posts. Overall, I like what you said in them, and I largely agree, on a 3D level.

I can't help much with meditation because I don't meditate often. I prefer to play. I create balls of energy between my hands, then craft them to grow bigger and lighter and brighter and then let them go and choose a destination. Much fun! :)

[EnergyGardener]

karelia, That was my plans for "STEP SEVEN - Preparation and Maintenance of Mind and Body." But I wanted to put together a team, particularly PA members with extensive meditation knowledge, that could provide direction that is attractive to those from all cultures. I hope to get my outlines going to this objective if I can muster more time in the next few days, but would welcome some other party carrying that torch.

I read your posts. Overall, I like what you said in them, and I largely agree, on a 3D level.

I can't help much with meditation because I don't meditate often. I prefer to play. I create balls of energy between my hands, then craft them to grow bigger and lighter and brighter and then let them go and choose a destination. Much fun! :)

karelia,

My outlines were only intended as a point of departure. I had hoped (and still do hope that) others would add to or improve my beginnings. Your "play" would be a wonderful part of any program that I would love to try myself. The only limitations are those we impose upon ourselves. Let's not.

[christian]

educate about what has been going on beneath the surface (or in plain view - if largely unnoticed) > this will prevent the same thing from happening again

fire people's inspiration, what is actually really possible, physically/technically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually > this will prevent pseudo-benevolent helpers to take advantage of us

go for it, everyone uses their talents and abilities in an empowering way - empowering for the self and for others, together we'll thrive :)

[Snowbird]

Notice I call for amnesty and peace and have forgiven the Elite and see no reason to put them in jail.


You make no sense. How do you forgive someone for something they are still doing, with renewed vigor and urgency, and are nowhere near being contrite? I reiterate. You make no sense. You do exhibit an odd sympathy for the currently active criminals. Something is not right here and it is not about you being compassionate. Your remarks for the non-criminals demonstrate that.

There is something very wrong with your comments, taken side by side. Anger at the wronged and forgiveness for the uncontrite and still active wrong-doers.

Something is rotten in Denmark.

Let me see if I can give you a different viewpoint and make sense of what this poster is trying to convey. Earth is currently inhabited with 3rd dimensional thinking. One of the belief systems that comes from this dimension is an eye for an eye. If you were to take a higher dimensional approach you would see that the Powers That Were have offered you endless "fuel" to work with through their evil doings. This is the very opportunity that humans are overlooking and it is this opportunity that has the ability to change our reality out of the game of duality. The poster you are questioning is suggesting that one takes a different route rather than an eye for an eye through forgiveness. If you put the science behind this suggestion you will find the poster's approach to be accurate. Every living and non-living thing vibrates at a frequency. It is said that love and compassion vibrates at the highest frequency rate. Change the way you think and you change your reality, it's that simple. And when we as a society understand and practice this thought process we will help to transform Earth into a reality where duality no longer exists as the negative energy will no longer be able to survive in the higher dimensional frequencies of love and compassion.

Welcome to this forum we-R-one. Your online name is directly indicative to the thought and heart processes of many on this forum. We may express ourselves a little differently one from the other, but for the most part, we believe it and live it.

Most of us do understand that those who consider themselves elite, have come to Earth at this time for very specific reasons. From what I understand, there was an agreement between the people of Earth and off-Earth beings. The off-Earth beings were to come into this 3rd dimension and perform an uplifting service for the people of this Earth by portraying exclusively evil acts to awaken the sleeping Earth people into action. I think that on one hand, there was a degree of success in this very lengthy staged play, but somewhere along the way, the off-Earth beings became addicted to their power, control and avarice. In short, the players played their parts all too well. So well in fact that the players have for decades, refused to leave this Earth plane. I believe that one aspect of this evil portrayal that is overlooked by those who espouse blanket forgiveness is the fact that we live in a country/world that is based upon laws of justice. And, the people of this Earth have been and continue to be held accountable to these laws, some of which are really quite archaic. However, my interpretation and definition of justice is really quite beyond that of our legal system. I'm not absolutely sure if I believe in forgiveness rather than unconditional love and compassionate clemency for those whose hearts are assessed by the Source and found to be truly open and willing to accept new ways and teachings. Our Earthly laws don't come even close to this type of justice. Our Earthly laws and forms of punishment don't reform. They simply produce much more violence.

Our Earth is in the process of being transformed into a reality where duality no longer exists. Many of the elites however, continue to maintain and covet the negative energies while here on Earth and in the midst of the people of Earth. Many of these elites btw, stem from higher dimensional frequencies....not of love and compassion, but of power, control and excess. Love is definitely the key answer to this dilemma and will bring us up and out of this thick mire where we find ourselves. But what happens to those elites who continue to commit atrocities in the name of their masters off Earth? Should they simply be allowed to commit mayhem on an innocent people without any type of methods to prevent their heinous actions? Should they simply be allowed to bomb, rape, pillage, murder, steal, while we sit calmly with hands folded in lap and meditate or pray? Some of us say NO...enough is too much.

We need justice for these but from the highest Source. A true healing justice for those who are ready and willing. But definitely justice.


This is merely a game being played down here on Earth called the Polarity Integration Game or the game of duality, otherwise known as the game of the light and the dark. The dark one's have served their purpose and served it well. For this they should not be judged but forgiven. You see because of their evil ways they have awakened millions.

There is a type of game of illusion coming to a close here on Earth. Many are in the process of graduating from this into the higher realms. However, the dark ones' purpose here on the Earth ended years ago. But still, they remain and continue to commit atrocities and mayhem....and they think nothing of it.


So what next is what the original poster asked?? You take that negative energy they have so kindly continued to generate and you transmute it into love and compassion through acceptance and forgiveness, that's what's next! For some but not for everyone. Love and compassion have the ability to change your DNA structure from a more carbon base to chrystalline! When you change your DNA structure you stop disease! This what they don't want you to know!

This is very true.


All this craziness going on, is by design, to offer you the opportunity, your souls, to evolve and remove yourself from the horrors of experiencing the game of duality by understanding how to save yourself. 5th dimension which is where we're headed is about understanding that you are the creators of your reality. What I just shared with you is how you go about creating that reality! Change the way you think! It's all about consciousness. If you look at the science you will see that we are tied into the same Sourcefield of energy. It is through collective consciousess that we will be able to change our world that harbors peace not violence, but it starts with each individual changing how they think. When society comes to this realization "collectively" it is then you will see real change take place and a dimensional shift. Do not miss this opportunity to transmute negative energy! Your emotions vibrate at a frequency so if you harbor all the negative energies that an eye for an eye suggest such as anger and fear, you are feeding the beast and creating the very enviroment that you loathe.

Very good advice IMO!


Everything around you consists of energy. How you decide to use it will determine where you go in the future. You are consciousness down here having an experience, you are immortal! How you think, will determine the reality you'll find yourself in the future. Do any of you really want to experience duality all over again? There are only two reasons that I can think of that you would have to: 1. You choose to come back to this reality maybe to help other souls or 2. You didn't learn the lessons needed and therefore you must repeat the experience again till you get the message. Please do not discount what I am saying, I'm completely serious. My background is that of a Star Seed. We come from advanced civilizations not from this world with the purpose of incarnating onto this planet in order to help humanity through the ascension process that is currently taking place. I am jumping up and down here because I see the opportunity that sits before you. You have free will to choose the path you are most comfortable with, so if this does not sit well in your gut it is best that you continue in the direction that most suits your journey.

Different advanced civilizations have differing opinions and teachings. Some of these resonate and some do not


For those who are ready to move in a different direction you will hopefully find something in my post that resonates within your soul. By forgiving, and generating positive energy of love and compassion and putting that out into Sourcefield, you help lay the foundation to a future in which these games of duality can no longer survive on this planet. This is the future for those who choose to walk this path.

The above mostly resonates.

[christian]

That doesn't explain how the Germans were "deprogrammed," as you claim in your initial post, and I don't think the subject really fits into this thread. If you search, you'll find plenty of threads on the subjects of Nazi Germany.

There was a process called De-nazification (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification) after WW2. After the fall of the Berlin Wall society in East Germany changed a lot, many jobs directly connected to the old system were gone, so the society as a whole was kind of "deprogrammed".

I don't think it's necessary to analyze that in depth in this thread, but to compare the "after mass arrests" scenario to those scenarios makes perfect sense to me, one system is gone and what is it actually replaced with? In both cases in Germany the whole truth about the past had not been told to the public. What the people got was the new ruler's version of history and their set of morals and laws, which were corrupted as well, just with another touch to it. That's exactly the scenario we don't want now.





Notice I call for amnesty and peace and have forgiven the Elite and see no reason to put them in jail.


How do you forgive someone for something they are still doing, with renewed vigor and urgency, and are nowhere near being contrite?

It's possible to forgive someone and still imprison or even kill him.
The act of forgiving is becoming detached on a spiritual level, but there are still the physical facts to deal with. I'm absolutely not for allowing compulsive abusers to roam freely on this beautiful planet. And imprisoning them all would create a lot of work I wouldn't like to do as well, so I'd say send them 'elsewhere' ;)

[DreamsInDigital]

That's what I liked so much about the one set of ET/ED's that are allies to the Andromedan Council, they're taking the ones they capture and sending them to the far end of the universe on a ONE way trip, so they can't cause harm to anyone else, but are forced to live with the same reptoids/grays and other cabalist they conspired with.

[Neptun]

christian,

When we convince ourselves and others, that we are innocent or victims is like giving power away. Victims can't change their situation, only those that take responsibility for everything can.

It's easier to forgive the Elite, when we understand, we ALLOW to be manipulated by them out of free will.

We create our own reality.

[EnergyGardener]

christian,

When we convince ourselves and others, that we are innocent or victims, that is like giving power away. Victims can't change their situation, only those that take responsibility for everything can.

It's easier to forgive the Elite when we understand we ALLOW to be manipulated by them out of free will.

We create our own reality.

Forgiveness of others and ourselves may be the largest objective and accomplishment we strive for—in the 3rd, and perhaps too in other dimensions. That vital accomplishment signifies to me the most important message of Christ, and likely other philosophers, sages and gurus.

One could argue that by free will we all incarnated to accept the oppression of the OWO. I contend that I incarnated not to accept the status quo, but to work with others (on-world, in-world and off-world) to usher humanity and Earth through the most peaceful transition possible. That includes the compassionate education of fearful victims, particularly those that continue to believe the illusions of duality. For my own tranquility, I must accept that some humans may choose to remain fearful victims. However, I intend that will not be a result of my efforts, or lack thereof. It's late, but it's early.

[Neptun]

EnergyGardener,

It is not difficult to forgive and love "your enemy", when we have the right mindset installed in our brains.

Mindset:
We create our own reality and therefore we have to take responsibility for everything that happens in our reality. New World Order is only a threat to us, if we ALLOW to be manipulated and don't seek freedom and make freedom one of our first priorities in life.

If you ask Danes about if they would sacrifice freedom for safety, they will not know what freedom is and think it is relative and say we always have to sacrifice freedom to compromise with others. If not, then we can't live with other people.

In my world it is easy. Freedom is something I know in my heart and will rather die for, than give up. To have lost freedom is worse than death.

I conquer more and more of my freedom back that I have willingly given away. We can all do it.

Paying taxes? That is not freedom. Take responsibility and find a way around it legally.
Being a salary slave is not freedom either. Become self employed on the internet and you can work from the North pole, if you want to.

hate being monitored by google. Use startpage

Don't like naked body scanners DON'T FLY!

Don't like being brainwashed by the TV. Kick it out!

We build the freedom muscle the more we train our mind to think out of the box and do what is necessary.

New World Order can't succeed, if we don't ALLOW it!

Is it really TPTB's fault, we are lazy and give away our freedom?

[EnergyGardener]

Neptune, It appears that while we agree on some issues, yours is to distort mine and others with constructive purpose. I have no need for you to lecture me on body scanners and TV or the other irrelevant issues you have addressed on this and other posts at PA. Your attempt to paint the OWO in a positive light and justification for calling everyone else lazy, willfully choosing to be manipulated and worse—at best reassures me, that attempting to address your points further is a waste. You might say it is an American - Danish divide, but I know many of Danish heritage that do not share your attempted guillotine humor and dark perspective.

[Avocadess]

RE Alex Jones: I want to clarify that I DO like the guy and I have felt (for many years) that he has performed an important and needed service is exposing a LOT of the OWO shenanigans. Really I do. I LIKE the guy.

However, I have also witnessed -- and I live in the same town as Alex Jones where he has many followers -- that people who listen to him all the time often get BENT UP IN FEAR. It is unfortunate that Alex is not able to include in his message practical ways for people to deal with that fear. I know of one man who committed suicide because of such fear who was an avid listener of his. Several close acquaintances have also displayed a tendency not to believe ANYTHING good because they are so tied up in the fears they got from listening to Alex.

I heard that David Wilcock said something like this (and I totally agree and this is paraphrasing): "I love Alex. I just wish he would tone it down a little. Well, a lot."

[Neptun]

EnergyGardener,

My intent is not to lecture you or anyone else. I explain how the mindset to take responsibility works, so we are not victims of the NWO.

I'm not painting NWO in a positive light. All I do is to say, we are the problem and we have to change. If we are victims of the NWO, we are giving away our powers and letting them do with us, what they want.

If you don't agree with the above. Then there is no reason to continue debating it. No offense.

Regarding danish humor. It can be dark and bizarre. Lars von Trier also makes dark movies.

You may know some Danes that don't have that type of humor. Not all Danes are the same.

Get ready for a culture shock:
This is children/youth comedy on national TV:
A Nazi Hippo:
fkfPOLa6zVU

A public service message regarding HIV on national TV.

This would probably not work on American National TV. No Offense.
M9mN-KuLPEU

I will not show you the doll Rocco that also is on National TV. He is too nasty and I will probably be banned for life, if I post him here.

(Dolph og Wulff - Sophie Lassen Kahlke (English subtitles))

As you can see there is a huge American and Danish difference. Danish humor has no political correctness at all and it has heavy irony and sarcasm and goes to the extreme. :amen:

I probably ended up on the terroristlist for showing you guys this.

Danes are probably the only ones on the planet that understand our humor.

[Neptun]

I have listened to Alex Jones nearly everyday for probably 8-10 years.

I don't feel fear. The reason why is probably because it motivated me to do more to wake people up.

Those that get depressed are probably not taking action and sit alone listening to Alex passionate rants without knowing what to do.
We can all sign up to a forum and post information regarding NWO or burn 1000 DVDs give it to people on the street. I did that.

Now I focus my mind on positive things and is in a mind vacation.

[Unified Serenity]

I understand what some of you mean by the "living in fear" comments. I also think it is important to state that seeing negative truths about reality and history does not make one living in fear. I am one of those people who wants to know the whole truth. I don't want to hear about how great rain is because our water table is low and be totally in the dark about a Hurricane Katrina headed my way. If I see a hurricane real or symbolic I am going to talk about it. If someone says, "I don't want to know" then I won't personally go to them and tell them, but if they are on a forum dedicated to truth then that's a different story. I will speak my mind on all things as I feel led and it does not make me or anyone else who points out glaring misrepresentations, facts about a person's past or history or actions and evaluate things based on the known facts.

We do live in a time of much upheaval. Unfortunately, there are many who want to pretend all is sunshine and roses when it is not. Neither is it all destruction and chaos for there are silver linings in all grey clouds and there are people of great love who always step forward and answer the call to serve. It's not good to live in a delusion of light and love or a state of fear.

[aranuk]

I understand what some of you mean by the "living in fear" comments. I also think it is important to state that seeing negative truths about reality and history does not make one living in fear. I am one of those people who wants to know the whole truth. I don't want to hear about how great rain is because our water table is low and be totally in the dark about a Hurricane Katrina headed my way. If I see a hurricane real or symbolic I am going to talk about it. If someone says, "I don't want to know" then I won't personally go to them and tell them, but if they are on a forum dedicated to truth then that's a different story. I will speak my mind on all things as I feel led and it does not make me or anyone else who points out glaring misrepresentations, facts about a person's past or history or actions and evaluate things based on the known facts.
We do live in a time of much upheaval. Unfortunately, there are many who want to pretend all is sunshine and roses when it is not. Neither is it all destruction and chaos for there are silver linings in all grey clouds and there are people of great love who always step forward and answer the call to serve. It's not good to live in a delusion of light and love or a state of fear.

So tell us how you see the world shaping up US. Tell us what you think we could be doing to make it better. Try if you can without criticising others here on Avalon.
I'm quite sure a lot of people here will agree with what you say. It will be nice for a change to be able to agree on lots of things instead of concentrating on our differences.

Stan

[EnergyGardener]

I understand what some of you mean by the "living in fear" comments. I also think it is important to state that seeing negative truths about reality and history does not make one living in fear. I am one of those people who wants to know the whole truth. I don't want to hear about how great rain is because our water table is low and be totally in the dark about a Hurricane Katrina headed my way. If I see a hurricane real or symbolic I am going to talk about it. If someone says, "I don't want to know" then I won't personally go to them and tell them, but if they are on a forum dedicated to truth then that's a different story. I will speak my mind on all things as I feel led and it does not make me or anyone else who points out glaring misrepresentations, facts about a person's past or history or actions and evaluate things based on the known facts.

We do live in a time of much upheaval. Unfortunately, there are many who want to pretend all is sunshine and roses when it is not. Neither is it all destruction and chaos for there are silver linings in all grey clouds and there are people of great love who always step forward and answer the call to serve. It's not good to live in a delusion of light and love or a state of fear.

US, I agree with everything your wrote. However it is virtually impossible to accomplish anything constructive with a heavy heart. One must have a vision and act with enough optimism to create. That is my challenge, and I suspect, yours too. Our words, our thoughts and visions have great energy that manifest our reality—it is vital to appreciate that we help or we hinder.

This challenge, as seasoned skeptics, is to let go of the pent up anger from our past history—and God knows we all have that, admittedly most (if not all) of our own choices. Then, when good fortune is available—and it is for us now—we are not so jaded that we do not help to turn away the hurricanes, earthquakes, tyrannical banking system that has enslaved us—and remove all that harmed us yesterday, today.

We have that opportunity and it is being fully realized—my hope and will is for as many possible as soon as possible.

[Unified Serenity]

I think forums are a great place to learn and expose oneself to alternative views and information. Most people tend to find their favorite sources and they go to them day in and day out, but then one tends to only get a certain kind of information. I look for many sources, but I too have my favorites. I enjoy it when members post their sources so I can go look and browse them. I was getting fed up with just one bit of news about the trayvon martin death so I joined a black forum / chat site. I went there to see what the black community was saying and guess what? Not one mention of trayvon amongst them. Now, that is just one forum set up for the black community, but I wanted to see what they found important. I did not bring up any subjects, I just listened. It was rather fun actually.

I think one of the best things we can do is really get to know each other. I imagine if we could take two or three people a week whom we do not tend to line up with in our discussions that we might learn from one another a great many things. First is that I wager most everyone on this forum who participates is a lot of fun to just have a chat with and is quite loving in general. I bet if we shared skype chats together on a one to one basis with such people that the energy and discussion, the energy here would take on another level because we would actually know a bit more about the person behind the words and not just some label our mind likes to tag onto people.

So, if anyone wants to skype chat with me they can do so at Unified.Serenity. I suggest rather than just jumping into a hot topic that we actually learn a little about one another as we feel comfortable. I have found some of the most profound truths in such chats, and they are worthy of being put on youtube for their levity, honesty, and truth. I like the quote that a friend once said to me, "Remember no matter what I may say, I love you and I am your friend". When we remember those things first we tend to listen a little better to one another and not feel, well hopefully not feel as though someone is trying to paint us with a broad brush under some ideology that we do not agree. I also tend to be a bit more light in general chat than when I choose to write about a particular topic. Most of you only see my serious side, and I am sure I mostly see a little bit of you as well.

[Seikou-Kishi]

About bloody time somebody fired this Wilcock fantasy full of holes. We definitely do not see all of the control system, but we do see some of it; anybody who wants to (sincerely) remove the control system will want to remove it all. That means definitely removing the machinations we can't see, but it also means removing the tentacles we can. I get the idea this whole "mass arrests... oh, but you can't see them" is just a gorge on a dreamfest. Paul gave adequate explanation for the apparent stepping down of any financial devils in a way that better explained how they appear to have stepped down without completely disappearing.

[niki]

to the OP: this is precisely why I still keep my skeptic side intact,
as I don't want (and quite tired) to get all these high-hopes and imaginations and rainbow eyes,
only to finally be crushed severely by the 'harsh, mundane Reality' again.
I don't want that to happen again..

[karelia]

<snip>Regarding danish humor. It can be dark and bizarre. Lars von Trier also makes dark movies.

You may know some Danes that don't have that type of humor. Not all Danes are the same.

Get ready for a culture shock:
<SNIP>

Neptun,

In case it has escaped you, this thread is about possibilities of what comes after any mass arrests. If you want to talk about Danish humor, start your own thread. Now, please stop disrupting this thread. Thank you.

[Neptun]

<snip>Regarding danish humor. It can be dark and bizarre. Lars von Trier also makes dark movies.

You may know some Danes that don't have that type of humor. Not all Danes are the same.

Get ready for a culture shock:
<SNIP>

Neptun,

In case it has escaped you, this thread is about possibilities of what comes after any mass arrests. If you want to talk about Danish humor, start your own thread. Now, please stop disrupting this thread. Thank you.

I'm deeply sorry for having been naughty Fräulein!

It will not happen again. I will obey the rules to the fullest!
:hail:

[we-R-one]

Our Earth is in the process of being transformed into a reality where duality no longer exists. Many of the elites however, continue to maintain and covet the negative energies while here on Earth and in the midst of the people of Earth. Many of these elites btw, stem from higher dimensional frequencies....not of love and compassion, but of power, control and excess. Love is definitely the key answer to this dilemma and will bring us up and out of this thick mire where we find ourselves. But what happens to those elites who continue to commit atrocities in the name of their masters off Earth? Should they simply be allowed to commit mayhem on an innocent people without any type of methods to prevent their heinous actions? Should they simply be allowed to bomb, rape, pillage, murder, steal, while we sit calmly with hands folded in lap and meditate or pray? Some of us say NO...enough is too much.

We need justice for these but from the highest Source. A true healing justice for those who are ready and willing. But definitely justice.[/COLOR][/B]



Hi Snowbird,
Well thought out post. There are so many ways I can answer this, but I'm holding back because this can get really in depth and turn into a mile long post and I'm not sure this thread is the appropriate place to instill new information as it would carry itself better on its own. I almost need to start a separate thread....might do that once I get my thoughts collected and layed out in a manner which can be understood by all. Please understand that when I answer posts I'm not always just talking to the op, but to the audience as a whole. You may or may not have the same understanding as myself so don't think that my comments imply that you have no level of understanding. I think it's safe to assume that a lot of the Avalon members have a similar mind-set. I speak as I do because I realize there are thousands of people reading these posts who might not have the same level of understanding and I don't want to loose them.

To somewhat answer your comments, I will say yes, the dark one's seem to continue on with their rampage and do need to be addressed, but I feel there are others out there that are contending to this matter both from this world and that of higher dimensions. Everyone in a sense is working collectively to solve this problem. I see people all the time playing out their different roles in society....they're all around us. You have Alex Jones, luv em or hate em, furiously working to wake people up, you have the Sheriff Mack's emerging across the country(in the U.S at least), you have the tea party organizations beating their drums, the militia groups standing and waiting, etc.....and a plethora of other individuals working towards the same goal. I can only imagine that similar efforts are going on in various countries around the world. All these people are stepping up to the plate in more ways than I've ever seen before. In a sense what's happening before your very eyes is a collective effort to turn things around. So to go back to the OP original title of this thread Mass Arrests, But What Then, well, ....we are the "what then's" if that makes sense, lol. Everyone has a different calling for the cause, we cannot all be doing the same thing or it wouldn't work. So I see a great many of us on this forum as the "what then's".

For me personally, my lifeplan originally took me deep within the patriot movement, united with those who were trying to take a stance against tyranny which helped in my awakening, but it was ultimately not my final destination. I still watch with interest from afar, but my focus has turned to the core of the issue and that is higher consciousness and that is where I will take my place in the grand scheme of the Divine Plan. I no longer worry about the path of the dark one's; that job belongs to those who's passions and life plans follow down that timeline and maybe that's you or someone else reading this post. So I don't want to sound like I don't care as to what's taking place, but I'm putting faith into the hands of those who find that avenue to be their calling and counting on their souls to act accordingly as they are needed.

One other thing.....you ever notice when watching the Powers That Were, as they are making their media appearances? Observe how they assume the roll of where they want this end game to be.....they don't wait for our approval, they just presume this is the direction we are headed regardless of whether "we" as a society want to move in that direction or not. What they are doing is controlling the collective consciousness by their actions. Well guess what?!! I say right back at ya dark one's! Which is why I no longer waste energy in endless conversations and arguments of what should be done, how it should be done, where it should be done and when it should be done, rather I choose to exert my efforts in the same role of assumption as they have mastered, with the difference being that my focus lies in the practice of what I can do as an "individual" to change my consciousness and help others who want to walk down that road. We need to assume that we are winning.......the science is there to prove the effectiveness of what I'm suggesting. We can no longer think as the little train that might...we need to think as the little train that did. This is how you change your reality. Assume the position, as the saying goes, lol.

And if there comes a time when you think everything is going to come crashing down on our heads, don't you worry for one second.....because if you understand and learn the lessons that were needed in this lifetime, your future is golden as you are immortal beings. You know the saying, "there is nothing to fear, but the word fear itself." You are more powerful than you have been led to believe- get out of 3D and freedom will be your reward. There is no messiah coming to save us, those days are over.....the messiah is all ready here.....and it's in each and everyone of us. When we as individuals come to the understanding that we are all tied into the same Sourcefield, you will have the revelation that my discoveries are your discoveries and your discoveries are my discoveries which basically states that we are of the same energy field known as God or Source All That Is, leading one to the realization that I am you and you are me and we-R-one, and that is a beautiful thing.

This is my truth that I share with you and this is the journey I have chosen to honor. I am not asking people to follow me, but rather walk beside me as an equal should they feel their life blueprint intertwines with mine.

[karelia]

<snip> We need to assume that we are winning.......the science is there to prove the effectiveness of what I'm suggesting. We can no longer think as the little train that might...we need to think as the little train that did. This is how you change your reality. Assume the position, as the saying goes, lol.

<snip>


This reminds me of a thought I had a few days ago: This grand change with mass arrests etc is going to happen because it has already happened. It's like that scene in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban at the end, when Harry and Hermione go 3 hours back in time, and at the end of the actual 3 hours, Harry can cast a Patronus because he knew he'd already done it. It's mind-bending, but at the same time, it makes perfect sense. This huge change of paradigm already HAS happened because of our consciousness and resulting actions on an unseen level. Now all it does is play out in this 3-D reality.

[we-R-one]

Yes, I think I get where you're going with this...we are living in the past currently. This same scenario has all ready been played out by other, more advanced civilizations. As we become one with the future, and reclaim our galactic standing, another place in this Universe or beyond will be constructed, if it hasn't been all ready, so that new souls and souls that still need the opportunity to evolve can have the same chance at experiencing the game of duality. This has been going on for eons of time and I don't see it ending any time soon. Earth is no longer going to host the lower dimensional mindsets as it has for so long. This is why I believe 2012 is different than any other time period. All indicators from scientific studies support that a shift is taking place where the magnetics are dropping and the frequency is increasing; the very thing needed for a rebirth, of a higher dimensional environment. The wave of energy that is headed towards Earth coming from the center of the galaxy is most likely playing a role in raising the conscious levels.

Initially, everyone is cloaked with a veil of amnesia of some sorts; it's necessary in order to play the game. Because if you knew who you truly were and where you came from, you would no longer want to play. Some of us punch through that veil sooner than others and some never make it past the start gate, but all have value in the big scheme of things. For me, I have begun to awaken to the point where I'm having past life memories, which has given me an advantage because my sense of understanding and awareness have increased ten-fold. This is why I'm here to share my story. I want others to have the same advantage and relish in the fact that there is so much more awaiting them once they make the choice to awaken.

[karelia]

So true. It's probably also why many of us are completely lost when it comes to being competitive. Or other traits indigenous to 3D.

[we-R-one]

Ya no joke....when I really started to wake up, it was that uneasy feeling that I had been dropped down on a foreign world with no one around to guide me or even compare notes. :eek:

[karelia]

"Lonely are the brave and the just. But with them is the godhood."
Sajaha prophecies.

I guess feeling completely out of place, misplaced, displaced, lonely, alone is kind of normal for us. Yet, I wouldn't have it any other way.

[Ernie Nemeth]

That's the first thing that will change - you will not feel lonely anymore.
You will feel like you belong and supported in your causes because you will learn that most people have the same causes themselves.
And the best one of all, you will no longer fear speaking your truth as others will actually be listening...

[we-R-one]

"Lonely are the brave and the just. But with them is the godhood."
Sajaha prophecies.

I guess feeling completely out of place, misplaced, displaced, lonely, alone is kind of normal for us. Yet, I wouldn't have it any other way.

sigh....ya, me neither.

[Neptun]

That's the first thing that will change - you will not feel lonely anymore.
You will feel like you belong and supported in your causes because you will learn that most people have the same causes themselves.
And the best one of all, you will no longer fear speaking your truth as others will actually be listening...

I don't feel lonely. I think the key is to be open, honest and authentic and let people into our hearts.

[NancyV]

As you can see there is a huge American and Danish difference. Danish humor has no political correctness at all and it has heavy irony and sarcasm and goes to the extreme. :amen:

I probably ended on the terrorist for showing you guys this.

Danes are probably the only ones on the planet that understand our humor.
Thanks for posting the videos, Neptun! I'm still laughing! Outrageously funny.....
(but I'm aware that I'm insane and have a very warped sense of humor) I know I have Dutch ancestors maybe some Danes are also in the mix.
:)

[we-R-one]

RE Alex Jones: I want to clarify that I DO like the guy and I have felt (for many years) that he has performed an important and needed service is exposing a LOT of the OWO shenanigans. Really I do. I LIKE the guy.

However, I have also witnessed -- and I live in the same town as Alex Jones where he has many followers -- that people who listen to him all the time often get BENT UP IN FEAR. It is unfortunate that Alex is not able to include in his message practical ways for people to deal with that fear. I know of one man who committed suicide because of such fear who was an avid listener of his. Several close acquaintances have also displayed a tendency not to believe ANYTHING good because they are so tied up in the fears they got from listening to Alex.

I heard that David Wilcock said something like this (and I totally agree and this is paraphrasing): "I love Alex. I just wish he would tone it down a little. Well, a lot."

Dang, I'm missed a bunch of these posts, can't keep up....You know I have listened to Alex quite a bit and I think he's great. He does serve a purpose and should be valued as such. I have often wished that he would address the spiritual end of things instead of leaving people in fear with no where to turn......but then I thought about it more and came to the conclusion that he is right on base for his calling in this lifetime. His gig is not the spiritual end; that part of it resides with someone like DW or Gregg Braden and the many others to handle. I think we often put our 3rd dimensional expectation spin on people which is....who's gonna be our messiah and do it all for a one stop shop convenience center, instead of allowing people to fill the roles they were intended to play. I appreciate all of DW's efforts, but kinda just wished a teensy bit that he would have remained in the spiritual /science end of it as that's where he shines.

[Neptun]

As you can see there is a huge American and Danish difference. Danish humor has no political correctness at all and it has heavy irony and sarcasm and goes to the extreme. :amen:

I probably ended on the terrorist for showing you guys this.

Danes are probably the only ones on the planet that understand our humor.
Thanks for posting the videos, Neptun! I'm still laughing! Outrageously funny.....
(but I'm aware that I'm insane and have a very warped sense of humor) I know I have Dutch ancestors maybe some Danes are also in the mix.
:)
:offtopic:
haha you are very rare to find political incorrect Danish humor funny. Show me a taboo and I show you Danish humor.

It reminds me of a woman, that told me, she was accidentally trapped in a mans body. Maybe you are a Danish spirit, that is in an American body?

I talked with an American movie guy living in Paris. I was impressed with his humor, that was great for an American. We talked about actors and he said he was looking for actors and actresses with fire in their eyes and if he didn't see it in the reel, then he would not be interested.

I told him. Can't you train them to have fire in their eyes, like in "Black Swan" and he said "send him to Afghanistan with only a knife, for two years... that should do the trick"

I laughed for days every-time, I thought about it.

I better stop here, before the Fräulein gets mad at me again for writing about ÜBERVERBOTEN danish humor.
:focus:
Sorry. I will Obey!
:hail:

[YvonneG]

Freedom reigns call has changed:
Thurs 3-5pm PST Deatra (Drake too I am sure) and Sam Mugzzi - Free Thinking Radio

http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/main/listenchat/

+1 775 657 5973call in #

[Marin]

Like many of you, I've been following the information provided by but not limited to Wilcock, Drake and company. The investigation on Wilcock's part and others is a valiant effort but the details of how this financial transition unfolds feels pretty thin. Perhaps that's by design. I don't think all of the details of the arrests nor the accompanying changes is something we'd be privy to. Not now. For good reason.

I certainly appreciate their efforts and countless others working to wake up the masses and create a more balanced playing field. However, the financial part, albeit an important one, is just one piece of the puzzle. There are so many other pieces that need to be addressed.

In my opinion, the end goal is sovereignty. Personal sovereignty. To get from where we are to where we want to be is definitely a big step. A leap, if you will.

I just can't help but feel that something altogether different is taking place. Something much grander in scale. The end of one cycle and the beginning of another. An opportunity. A cosmic transition.

The question Karelia asks in the opening post is provocative: What now? What are the next steps? I've been a member of this forum for some time and for the first time it feels like we're entering a new place. A new "space."

I don't doubt that challenging times are ahead. Transitions, by design, aren't always easy. However, I don't think the answers to the financial piece and more importantly our sovereignty will come entirely from these sources or even our current reality. I think the game is changing. I feel a new paradigm is starting to emerge.

Please understand, this dosen't mean that I'm waiting for something or some group (even our friends in high places) to clean all of this up. I do believe we have friends in high places and I do think they've been assisting us but how we go through this transition is up to us.

I believe we all decided, at some level, to come here and that we all came here with a different set of skills and experiences. The beauty, from my perspective, is how all of these pieces fit together. I believe that's what we've all come here (at this time) to experience: a transition. A collective transition. As the previous poster mentioned in beautiful detail (we-R-one), we are consciousness. That awareness is critical. Intuitively speaking, I feel the sun and the cosmos are also playing a key role.

In the end, it's up to us. If we want to be freed - the first step is knowing you're enslaved. Getting that piece out there seems like an important step. My best guess is that this financial piece and the mass arrests are the first step in that direction. Where that all goes is up to us. Next steps? Taking a stand. Making conscious choices that don't support the current paradigm. Informing others. Preparing.

I'm not going to suggest or pretend that I know the answers but at a purely intuitive level, there's a part of me that's convinced we do. Perhaps we just need to let go and feel that.

In my opinion, this transition will be defined not only by the cycle we're in but how we decide to go through these changes - individually and collectively. We all need to be responsible for our actions and the level of participation we bring to the collective. The ability to open your heart and allow yourself to participate in this experience seems like a pretty important piece. My best guess is that this experience will be different for all of us.

As many have shared, we're going through is a shift. A shift in consciousness. A change in cycles. I can't help but feel there's much truth in what the indigenous cultures and mystery schools have shared. I feel this particular transition is a unique one. How we get there is is a big part of the "experience". I don't think anyone knows exactly what's going to happen but I do believe an open heart and mind is part of the equation.

[YvonneG]

Here is the link for today's show...it is on wolf spirit radio but they are
broadcasting still through blogtalkradio --sorry about the previous info,
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/ftr/2012/04/19/community-project-with-drake

[161803398]

I'm sure it will be screwed up again.

"In 1946 the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal concluded that without IG Farben the Second World War would simply not have been possible. The Chief Prosecutor, Telford Taylor, warned: "These companies, not the lunatic Nazi fanatics, are the main war criminals. If the guilt of these criminals is not brought to daylight and if they are not punished, they will pose a much greater threat to the future peace of the world than Hitler if he were still alive." Their indictment stated that due to the activities of IG Farben "the life and happiness of all peoples in the world were adversely affected." Charges as grave as fomenting war and killing slave labourers were also added. In his opening statement the Nuremberg Chief Prosecutor pointed out that, "The indictment accuses these men of major responsibility for visiting upon mankind the most searing and catastrophic war in human history. It accuses them of wholesale enslavement, plunder and murder."

http://www.gmwatch.org/gm-firms-mobile/11153-bayer-a-history