Testimony of a former Illuminati

[Neptun]

if you can handle some heavy Christian preaching especially the first 30-45 mins, then this testimony is great and tells about the life of a former Illuminati insider.

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[Avocadess]

Thanks, Neptun. I'm starting listening at 45 min. ;)

He seems to be calling Tibetan monks Luciferians. I don't buy that. I'm fast-forwarding a bit...

I can't get into listening to this. He never really stops the evangelistic preaching IMO.

[Neptun]

Thanks, Neptun. I'm starting listening at 45 min. ;)

He seems to be calling Tibetan monks Luciferians. I don't buy that. I'm fast-forwarding a bit...

I can't get into listening to this. He never really stops the evangelistic preaching IMO.
There is allot of heavy preaching going on, but he gives information of his life as a former Illuminati, if we listen to some Bible quotes here and there.

Connect the dots and listen to everyone. That is how I find the bigger picture.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

to save everyone waiiting 30-45 mins, could you give us a run down of information provided?

[Autumn]

I don't believe one can be a FORMER illuminati - disinfo IMHO. When ever someone is ranting on about God, Satan, Lucifer etc. it sounds more like "in" ignorence to fool the majority of the still blind to keep them blind. Read just a bit more than the bible and one will recognize, that it's a crock of bull.

[Neptun]

I don't believe one can be a FORMER illuminati - disinfo IMHO. When ever someone is ranting on about God, Satan, Lucifer etc. it sounds more like "in" ignorence to fool the majority of the still blind to keep them blind. Read just a bit more than the bible and one will recognize, that it's a crock of bull.

He was raised into the Illuminati family and turned his back on them. I don't see a problem with that. To be on the side with Lucifer is to team up with losers trying to bring everybody on their knees, so they can feel powerful, because they don't have power within them/Divine Love that can manifest or create our own reality.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

the fact that this person is 'preaching' is a red flag. lucifer is subjective, and the bibkle is a fictional acc ount of things that happened thousands of years cago that have been skewed fir personal gain.

i put no faith in it.

[Neptun]

Here is another Illuminati Insider. He brings more information regarding Illuminati and less preaching.
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[Neptun]

To find the bigger picture we need to go over allot of info(dots), before we can see the bigger picture.

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I can extract truth even from dis info and the propaganda media.

[Cilka]

I am sorry but I cannot take anyone seriously who preaches religious dogma, no matter how sencere they may seem. It's like something in my brain is switched on and I stop paying attention, and I get bored quickly.

[Chester]

Thanks, Neptun.
He seems to be calling Tibetan monks Luciferians. I don't buy that.

Sadly, I have come upon information in a Ben Fulford report just today that apparently the Tibetans were practicing human sacrifice as of 1000 years ago. Ben mentioned a spear that he was shown (he has a picture of this spear in his report) and that he was told it was used for this purpose. In addition, the Nazi's had a fascination with the Tibetans which suggests to me that perhaps they may have been into things which I prefer not to believe possible... but I have learned to open my mind to every possibility even if its something I really don't want to believe.

I understand about the turn off regarding religious overtones (understatement) and I am not religious, but I can understand that someone traumatized may find solace in believing in a religious message. There's interesting information here and the statement - "don't throw the baby out with the bath water" comes to mind.

[Neptun]

Thanks, Neptun.
He seems to be calling Tibetan monks Luciferians. I don't buy that.

Sadly, I have come upon information in a Ben Fulford report just today that apparently the Tibetans were practicing human sacrifice as of 1000 years ago. Ben mentioned a spear that he was shown (he has a picture of this spear in his report) and that he was told it was used for this purpose. In addition, the Nazi's had a fascination with the Tibetans which suggests to me that perhaps they may have been into things which I prefer not to believe possible... but I have learned to open my mind to every possibility even if its something I really don't want to believe.

I understand about the turn off regarding religious overtones (understatement) and I am not religious, but I can understand that someone traumatized may find solace in believing in a religious message. There's interesting information here and the statement - "don't throw the baby out with the bath water" comes to mind.
Interesting information.

I have always thought there was something fishy about Dali lama and Tibet. It has been too trendy in the mainstream.
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[Chester]

This is what I read in Fulford's report of March 20, 2012

"Onodera had many other interesting items such as this item: (there's a picture of a spearhead)
Tibetan Kings used this to sacrifice virgins until Tibet was conquered by China a thousand years ago and the Chinese emperors put an end to the practice, he says."

[Autumn]

Neptune> I don't know which aspects of all the wonderful information of the world is your primary focus – not saying that you can’t have more than one *S*. My primary interest lies with religion in all its forms, all its aspects and all its differences as I find it most interesting to connect the dots in that area. It’s huge and overlaps a lot of other things of course! I'm not claiming I hold the truth - I just thought it relevant to point out from what perspective I enter the debate, as it will of course mean that I lack knowledge in other areas. Maybe your areas?

A former illuminati preaching in a fanatic tongue of monotheistic text is not trustworthy in my ears. In truth the first 45 minutes was most interesting to me as they reveal to me just how dogmatic/fanatic etc. this person is - and thus how trustworthy. There are a few things that seem to counter each other in his whole speech. He clings to the bible and says to trust the texts in it so we can be saved by the Almighty God. Then he says that the Vatican is one of the three primary bad guys and that the sheep skin apron is a front for Christianity. The King James Bible is a collective not chosen by God but by men in power with political agendas, greed for power and the need to subdue the “servants”. And those servant are the God-fearing men and women who attend church and pray to this God in the Bible … but a Bible made up from carefully chosen texts … by whom? All the books of the times regarding God and Jesus are not in the Bible. Why? Because some of the texts were counterproductive to TPTB which is the Vatican. According to this guy, anyways. But he clings to one of the copies?

If we look at the Free Masons, Rosicrucian etc. they are believed to be the lover stones of the pyramid that carries the illuminati "capstone" … right? He says that the Knights Templar were killed by the Vatican … but aren’t the Knights Templar an early branch of the same multitude of secret societies? Wouldn’t that be killing a leg that holds the Illuminati?

I’m asking more than I state because this first film ripped up some of the things I thought to have placed over the last 7 years of my study. Details I will now study from all angles to once again feel that I have a stable foundation to base a new opinion on. Please do contribute to this, all!

Not much of what he said resonated truth deep inside me until after 33 minutes.

How come much of what he calls evil, abomination to God etc. is what resonates with me? Like reincarnation? Like chakra meditation? Like the Hermetic Code? Like spiritualism of a non-Christian origin? Why, if these things are an abomination to God, do I see and hear other truth-seekers proclaim this spiritualism and light (Lucifer, to stick with Mark Cleminsons terminology), to resonate with them, too? In which scriptures are we to find this God if not in a Bible created by man for man, since he states that it is through the study of the scriptures that God shall salvage our souls … which are called immortal souls? Why does he claim that the snake biting its own tail (Ouroboros) is a sign of evil (he says it represents reincarnation, which is an abomination to God, as it is then eternal … like an immortal soul is?) when it in other monotheistic beliefs is regarded as the symbol of the completion of God’s creation?

When I study the Bible I often wonder at the many names/titles etc. of God. Why would Christ point out the evil sides such as jealousy and vengefulness when these traits are to be found in the God in the Bible? Abrahams God for example. Why does Moses and Abraham point to different traits to their God and call “Him” by different names and titles if “He” is one and the same? Or is more than one “being” (in lack of a better word) being represented as the one God in the Bible? Why where God in Genesis plural and after that singular?

I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle and I will continue to search for it – let this lead me through the Nordic, Masonic, Rosicrucian, Jewish, Christian, Catholic, Shamanic, Hindu, Hermetic and so on. Let it take me through astrology, astronomy, philosophy, alchemy, quantum physics etc. I believe it is in the whole that balance exists and balance makes up All as All is balanced by all the individual little scales of opposites. I am just human, I can’t learn all to collect the whole and thus see the balance – that’s not the point for any human. It is the point of All that “I” the human, is a part of it. Thus a part in “my” whole constitutes the balance along whit all of “you”. I’m sorry that I lack the words to explain it better.

In short – former illuminati or not – he now holds two little bitty pieces of a grand puzzle and he is blinded by both by seeing them as the extreme opposites of each other. The truth is much more complex than that – we just forgot that fact by searching details in a world full of opposites. We lack the ability to remember that the truth is the balance of All. That’s human, that’s our limitation – this is what burns so deep inside me: the need to break out of the world of black and white and details in opposite ends and rejoin the balance that is All. It is the very center of me that is the multitude of All … and once again we circle back as the infinite is equally small and equally large at the same time or it could not be All. Ouroboros, the snake biting its tale, comes to mind again … and I wonder if we are even capable of grasping the symbolic value of it.

[Neptun]

Autumn,

Thanks for your post.

I should change my name to Neptune. Forgot it's spelled differently than in Danish.

No religion resonate with me, all though I do believe in God/divine love and my Bible is in the heart.

I see life as a school that teaches us to raise our vibration by living lives again and again till it is time for the graduation time that is right now.

I think the Christian God is Satanic and misleading like every other religion.

This Illuminati trainingvideo says the same thing that they control religion:
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Some people say it is not a real training video and the speaker is an actor. I don't believe that. If someone can sense energy, it is pretty clear that the actor/speaker is possessed by some demonic being or even Lucifer himself. Al Pacino that played the Devil, did not create the same dark parasitic energy I sense, when I watch this. He also speaks like they do, with the same kind of arrogance and use codes like "The dawn of a new day"

[Operator]

Here is another Illuminati Insider. He brings more information regarding Illuminati and less preaching.
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I was about to mention Bill Schnoebelen and then I saw you mentioned him yourself already.
He starts preaching as well, in this case more to the end. He mad some really impacting revelations indeed.

I couldn't help but think that this man went from extreme satanic to extreme christian believes.
This in fact demonstrated for me, by himself, how he got from suckered into one religion into another one.

I have no doubt that extremism in any religion is very dangerous. And apparently there are still lots of people
around who need that. For me that is the scary part.

[Neptun]

Operator,

I guess this is how the religion process is for the former Illuminati members:
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No matter what religion they choose it is still the same Luciferian Boss in charge.

[Neptun]

This former Illuminati member does not preach:
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It makes it easy to forgive them, when they have been indoctrinated from early childhood.

[Eram]

A former illuminati preaching in a fanatic tongue of monotheistic text is not trustworthy in my ears.

When you think about the mindset that an illuminati member would have, I find it perfectly imaginable that he would seek refuge in another dogmatic fanatic religion. It's in the same region of energy, only the other side of the medal.
Svali (http://svalispeaks.com/) who is also an ex-illuminati member, also fled and went to join an fanatic Christ church.

When you think about their mind settings. It makes sense to me.

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I just learned that Neptun already posted info on Svali.

[Autumn]

I guess I need to describe this better. I believe that these people THINK they were illuminati. Bill Schnoebelen was an experimenting person, dabbling A LOT in the occult. That does not make him Illuminati. I set Illuminati way higher that what an ordinary man dabbling even vigorously in the occult, Masonic etc. could reach. In my eyes they are the equivalent of striking a match and proclaiming that little flame to be the same as a 50.000 watt spotlight.

I don’t dismiss that they reached these levels of some order or orders but I don’t recognize any of these as being equal to being an illuminati. Illuminati is in my view the next step of a human beings evolution, and thus they are no longer human … and definitely not someone who needs to cling on to a man made work, yelling AMEN. That would in definition defy the meaning of the word illuminated, wouldn’t it?

[Neptun]

I guess I need to describe this better. I believe that these people THINK they were illuminati. Bill Schnoebelen was an experimenting person, dabbling A LOT in the occult. That does not make him Illuminati. I set Illuminati way higher that what an ordinary man dabbling even vigorously in the occult, Masonic etc. could reach. In my eyes they are the equivalent of striking a match and proclaiming that little flame to be the same as a 50.000 watt spotlight.

I don’t dismiss that they reached these levels of some order or orders but I don’t recognize any of these as being equal to being an illuminati. Illuminati is in my view the next step of a human beings evolution, and thus they are no longer human … and definitely not someone who needs to cling on to a man made work, yelling AMEN. That would in definition defy the meaning of the word illuminated, wouldn’t it?
I think Svali is the closest thing we come to a real Illuminati bloodline family member that exposes it from within. Check the interview it is great.

[Prodigal Son]

It is impossible for anyone who was ever "Illuminated", whether it be for benevolence or darkness, to EVER go back to Bible thumping and the literal interpretation, unless they completely lose control of their mental faculties. One of the first things that comes with enlightenment is the knowledge that there is no such thing as judgment and eternal destruction of the spirit.... that these things are tools for suppression and control of human potential.

It would be like a mature adult going back to thinking that all the Mother Goose fairy tales are real. The only way that's possible would be to become seriously senile.

[Neptun]

It is impossible for anyone who was ever "Illuminated", whether it be for benevolence or darkness, to EVER go back to Bible thumping and the literal interpretation, unless they completely lose control of their mental faculties. One of the first things that comes with enlightenment is the knowledge that there is no such thing as judgment and eternal destruction of the spirit.... that these things are tools for suppression and control of human potential.

It would be like a mature adult going back to thinking that all the Mother Goose fairy tales are real. The only way that's possible would be to become seriously senile.

There is nothing wrong with this knowledge and yet there is. It means they feel they can do what ever they want and there will not be any consequences and yet there is. They do not get promoted to the next level as long as they continue their activities.

[sdv]

Does anyone have any ideas of why these former Illuminati members get converted to Christianity? It seems like exchanging one form of mind control for another. Are they perhaps locked in the mind control paradigm which makes them susceptible converts to Christianity? Wakytweaky mentioned this. Anyone else with thoughts about this?
Overall it makes me sceptical about their confessions as they seemed to be tainted by the paradigm of dogma and mind control.

[Avocadess]

Regarding the Tibetan monks. I am no Tibetan historian, but I know they are not the same as Tibetan kings. It took me a long time to warm up to the Dalai Lama, because I wanted more reason to like him than that he was found/picked at birth as the reincarnation of a special soul. But over the years I have found many, many of his quotes as very inspiring. I'm not interested in "following" him or even necessarily becoming a Buddhist, but have a very high regard for him. Like Jesus was seen with lepers, the Dalai Lama was introduced to Bush. So what? My guess is that if anything it may have been an attempt to heighten his vibrational level, haha.

The Tibetan monks have been under siege for most of my lifetime and are victims of much oppression. I care not to add to such oppression by propagating the idea that they are Luciferians.

When I first became Christian (due to personal "supernatural" experiences, not due to "church" or even Bible per se), I was coming out of a situation which was emotionally and psychically very intense and frightening to me. My connection with Jesus "saved" me from that -- and for a while I had the tendency to draw conclusions that were sometimes quite unfair and "black and white" about things. I can certainly see how someone who has escaped an upbringing with heavy Illuminati programming/influences would go heavy into religion for safety -- and lose perspective, seeing darkness and shadows at every turn (but which tells me such a person is still at least somewhat if not muchly ruled by FEAR). What I know of Jesus and what I know of God and what I know of Tibetan Buddhism, none of those things are about fear.

It's one of the reasons I'm not into churches. I hear too much fear-mongering (fear of hell, fear of people with other beliefs, fear of homosexual marriages, etc., etc.).

Peace Out...! (smile)

I am interested in any actual experiences in the family from which he came, but just can't listen to this guy. It's too dissonant to me, and the fact that he is preaching doe NOT indicate to me that he is automatically a truthsayer.