You must experienced it, before you truly can relate to it

[<8>]

Hi my dear friends..

Can 40 years of suffering lead up to the peace of enlightenment?

I am soon to be 40 years old and when I look back at my life, I see a trail of suffering to me and to others who crossed my path.
of course there have been moments of happiness. but as I learned to know, more or less all people on this planet.
Are trapped in their unconscious mind and the conditioned thoughts creates emotions that mostly is fear based, like a parasite it feeds on you.

So was it really my life I looked back at? "No not really" Still I was the observer to everything! I have the experience.
The funny thing is, I am happy too experienced the suffering.

So what was the final key to enlightenment?
"I am not my body" "I am"

I know that years ago! you might think. No no no That does not compute! you might convinced your mind, but you don't know it in your heart.
you have to go beyond the mind games and that was a huge step, that took years for me.

I understand that this might not make sense to all people, it's okay, it just means you are not ready yet.

It must be experienced to be understood.


P.s..You are all right where you should be, "right now".

All is well...

..8..

[DeDukshyn]

You must go through your worst emotions and come out the other side. If one has not done this one cannot understand the totality of reality.

I became as enlightened as I am pretty much in this manner -- through suffering and depression. All darkness is serving light whether this is realized or not. My 2 cents ;)

I now look back on my "suffering" and no longer see it that way; I can smile when I look back at all the experiences that have led me to where I am and feel good about them. My "judgement" of them at the time is and always was irrelevant ;) Process is goal.

[Cilka]

Hi my dear friends..

Can 40 years of suffering lead up to the peace of enlightenment?

I am soon to be 40 years old and when I look back at my life, I see a trail of suffering to me and to others who crossed my path.
of course there have been moments of happiness. but as I learned to know, more or less all people on this planet.
Are trapped in their unconscious mind and the conditioned thoughts creates emotions that mostly is fear based, like a parasite it feeds on you.

So was it really my life I looked back at? "No not really" Still I was the observer to everything! I have the experience.
The funny thing is, I am happy too experienced the suffering.

So what was the final key to enlightenment?
"I am not my body" "I am"

I know that years ago! you might think. No no no That does not compute! you might convinced your mind, but you don't know it in your heart.
you have to go beyond the mind games and that was a huge step, that took years for me.

I understand that this might not make sense to all people, it's okay, it just means you are not ready yet.

It must be experienced to be understood.


P.s..You are all right where you should be, "right now".

All is well...

..8..

Happy birthday <8>, or should I say happy 40 years and plus of suffering. Imagine that you are going to be here for another 40 years of more suffering. But as long as you look at it from a different angle from now on then the suffering will be more enjoyable, so to speak.

I used to believe that people had to experience suffering, and there are many kinds of sufferings, in order to understand what a person is truly experiencing. Isn't that the reason why we reincarnate? A lot of spiritual gurus are telling us that, that we need to experience suffering in order to grow. But is it really necessary to experience the suffering in order to have a clear understanding of it? Isnt respect enough for one another? You probably have endured and witnessed different kinds of suffering than I did, but as long as we respect one another, that there is a specific reason for us all to have chosen a specific type of suffering in this lifetime, then I guess that should be enough for both parties to learn from one another. But maybe, just maybe, things are a little more complicated here in 3D reality, some or maybe most humans who resonate at a lower vibration would need to experience suffering in order to fully understand the meaning of it. But I still think that it is not necessary to experience it any more.

I am 43, and I finally started looking at suffering a different way. I look at the world and I see suffering all over, and I tell myself 'is it necessary?'. It's not really necessary for me, but maybe for the individuals it is. I dont take it as seriously as I used to, I used to get depressed a lot and it did nobody any good, and I dont put as much emotion into it either. We ALL are responsible for creating our own suffering and global suffering as well, that I truly believe 100%. We need to realize this so that we can finally start making the changes necessary for the suffering to end. We seriously do not have to suffer, humans just decided on a different level that it is necessary for us to grow as spiritual beings. I used to believe that suffering was necessary, but not any more. In fact, I dont care about it anymore and it has nothing to do with growing as spiritual beings. And one more thing, we must stop blaming others for our own suffering, otherwise we will never be able to stop it.

[Kindred]

THE purpose of Life is Exactly FOR the Experience. This Experience is how the Creator is Able to view Itself - Through Us!

Learn and Enjoy The Experience!

In Unity and Peace

[another bob]

THE purpose of Life is Exactly FOR the Experience. This Experience is how the Creator is Able to view Itself - Through Us!

Learn and Enjoy The Experience!

In Unity and Peace


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[<8>]

Hi my dear friends..

Can 40 years of suffering lead up to the peace of enlightenment?

I am soon to be 40 years old and when I look back at my life, I see a trail of suffering to me and to others who crossed my path.
of course there have been moments of happiness. but as I learned to know, more or less all people on this planet.
Are trapped in their unconscious mind and the conditioned thoughts creates emotions that mostly is fear based, like a parasite it feeds on you.

So was it really my life I looked back at? "No not really" Still I was the observer to everything! I have the experience.
The funny thing is, I am happy too experienced the suffering.

So what was the final key to enlightenment?
"I am not my body" "I am"

I know that years ago! you might think. No no no That does not compute! you might convinced your mind, but you don't know it in your heart.
you have to go beyond the mind games and that was a huge step, that took years for me.

I understand that this might not make sense to all people, it's okay, it just means you are not ready yet.

It must be experienced to be understood.


P.s..You are all right where you should be, "right now".

All is well...

..8..

Happy birthday <8>, or should I say happy 40 years and plus of suffering. Imagine that you are going to be here for another 40 years of more suffering. But as long as you look at it from a different angle from now on then the suffering will be more enjoyable, so to speak.

I used to believe that people had to experience suffering, and there are many kinds of sufferings, in order to understand what a person is truly experiencing. Isn't that the reason why we reincarnate? A lot of spiritual gurus are telling us that, that we need to experience suffering in order to grow. But is it really necessary to experience the suffering in order to have a clear understanding of it? Isnt respect enough for one another? You probably have endured and witnessed different kinds of suffering than I did, but as long as we respect one another, that there is a specific reason for us all to have chosen a specific type of suffering in this lifetime, then I guess that should be enough for both parties to learn from one another. But maybe, just maybe, things are a little more complicated here in 3D reality, some or maybe most humans who resonate at a lower vibration would need to experience suffering in order to fully understand the meaning of it. But I still think that it is not necessary to experience it any more.

I am 43, and I finally started looking at suffering a different way. I look at the world and I see suffering all over, and I tell myself 'is it necessary?'. It's not really necessary for me, but maybe for the individuals it is. I dont take it as seriously as I used to, I used to get depressed a lot and it did nobody any good, and I dont put as much emotion into it either. We ALL are responsible for creating our own suffering and global suffering as well, that I truly believe 100%. We need to realize this so that we can finally start making the changes necessary for the suffering to end. We seriously do not have to suffer, humans just decided on a different level that it is necessary for us to grow as spiritual beings. I used to believe that suffering was necessary, but not any more. In fact, I dont care about it anymore and it has nothing to do with growing as spiritual beings. And one more thing, we must stop blaming others for our own suffering, otherwise we will never be able to stop it.

Hi Cilka and thanks..

You tell yourself 'is it necessary with suffering.

This is a good sign in my experience, contemplate and question everything!!
It's how you expand your consciousness, so you can see beyond the suffering and the beauty that already IS.

..8..

[ljwheat]

<8> well done, ---- at the point of enlightenment-- your suddenly aware of how much of 3D life has nothing to do with the unlimited universe. Like Einstein watching a chimpanzee trying to compute one banana and one banana = food. Is the same as one human brain and one human brain = burned wood. One human speck on a planet that’s a speck in the solar system,-- that’s also a speck in the milky way-- the milky ways is another speck in the cosmos, ( only visually the human eye can see) inside a 3D spark of energy. We have figured it all out? WOW, were pretty awesome aren’t we.?

We are enlightened with 3D critical thinking, and 3D terminology, building houses and vehicles for our earthly shell, just like a hermit crab constantly looks for a new shell for the one he just out grew.

This bag of water with a brain is so impossibly vain in its quest for a home it just cant find in a world of containment, and confinement of the soul that can not be held in this detention any longer.

Painting words onto an invisibility, reaching for something that has no handles to grab onto. Seeing into a detention with eye’s filled with duality EGO color’s is only seen in 3D.

Once you’ve seen the un--see able, touched the untouchable, spoken the unspeakable, glimpsed the un-thinkable. You know you know that is -- (IS)

qeSgJQO7JbY

I have good news for you.....

DNgRizqs7CA

[Cilka]

<8> well done, ---- at the point of enlightenment-- your suddenly aware of how much of 3D life has nothing to do with the unlimited universe. Like Einstein watching a chimpanzee trying to compute one banana and one banana = food. Is the same as one human brain and one human brain = burned wood. One human speck on a planet that’s a speck in the solar system,-- that’s also a speck in the milky way-- the milky ways is another speck in the cosmos, ( only visually the human eye can see) inside a 3D spark of energy. We have figured it all out? WOW, were pretty awesome aren’t we.?

We are enlightened with 3D critical thinking, and 3D terminology, building houses and vehicles for our earthly shell, just like a hermit crab constantly looks for a new shell for the one he just out grew.

This bag of water with a brain is so impossibly vain in its quest for a home it just cant find in a world of containment, and confinement of the soul that can not be held in this detention any longer.

Painting words onto an invisibility, reaching for something that has no handles to grab onto. Seeing into a detention with eye’s filled with duality EGO color’s is only seen in 3D.

Once you’ve seen the un--see able, touched the untouchable, spoken the unspeakable, glimpsed the un-thinkable. You know you know that is -- (IS)

qeSgJQO7JbY

I have good news for you.....

DNgRizqs7CA

Nicely said ljwheat, though, if only humans were not so brutal to one another, our existence here would not have to be so painful. But, at least the crab is enjoying its existence here. And what happened to Jim Carrey, I had no idea that he was a spiritual seeker of the truth. He was right when he said that the media does not represent what people want, but that does not change the fact that they are still creating this painful reality we are living in, otherwise we would not be living through it, would we? Maybe someday humans will get it. Or maybe not. Time will tell.

[ljwheat]

Life is a Hoax


:tape: What were doing to our childeren. and how I got labeled. :tape:

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[TraineeHuman]

Suffering isn't necessary.

As I understand it, enlightenment -- lightening your load -- centrally involves becoming free of suffering. A person still has "the same" economic problems/challenges, the same relationship problems/challenges, the same frustrations careerwise, homewise, timewise, and so on and so forth. But somehow, while others see maybe all such situations as miserable, the enlightened one doesn't. Somehow, she/he has shifted viewpoint, and sees and feels so much to be joyful or peaceful about, there's not much room left for the garbage any more.

Understanding is key. Particularly understanding yourself, who/what you really are, and also understanding what happened in the past in your life.

[<8>]

Breaking free from your mind believes and understand that you are NOT your body, can be perceived to be the graduation from what we have experienced here on earth.

Yes I still have to eat and so forth, but if I end up in a situation where I for example know, I was gonna starve. I would see this as an opportunity to experience this.

A person who is stuck in mind believes, would get several solutions from the ego mind and because the ego is insatiable, one suggestion it might give you in a situation like this.
Is even to kill and eat a loved one to survive.

If you contemplate this, most people are not sure what they will do in extreme situations, this is because your mind is lost in the past and future and can't accept what IS in the NOW.


..8..

[Eram]

Hi <8>,

Happy birthday and I'm very happy for you about the awareness you are in now.

About being enlightened: It seems to me that there are very much different states of enlightenment and there are many more definitions of it. words are such a limiting way to pass understandings.

I believe that the road to enlightenment (as you speak of enlightenment as 'the end of suffering) is a different one for each person.
For instance: I have had the ability to experience myself as the observer in this game and not as the body. I can switch the 'knowing' of this on at will mostly and it fades away when I don't pay attention to it, which is most of the times. ( I'm a lazy bugger)
I find myself having difficulties in the emotions area. I find it very hard to stay in the state of peace, when someone near me erupts in emotions, or lashes out at me in emotions. I'm making progress, but I haven't mastered it yet.
You might say that I 'm trapped in the believe that I feel that I am my emotions, or someone else's emotions. Eckhart Tolle speaks of this too.

What's you point of view on this?

kind regards,

Waky

[<8>]

Hi Wakyweaky and thanks for the question..

I am aware of that people seems to experience this slightly different OR it might just be the limited words we use to express the experience.
And we need to recognize that we are in different situations right now, I been fortunate to use the last two years on myself.

But you are right on track as far as I can understand and I dont see you as trapped, you are awakening and dozing off is just normal.
I don't want to tell you what to do, because it's your experience, I will tell you my experience about the thoughts and emotions I had and you can take it or leave it.

In the beginning the thoughts and emotions came as a rain that never ended, I do have to point out that I was very alert and spent every moment observing my thoughts and the emotions.
Until I fell asleep, I did this for a week straight and crashed for two days. On friday my girlfriend was about come home from grocery shopping and I was standing in the window looking for the car.

And then a thought came to me, "GOD have I not suffered enough"?? So I askt GOD if you think I have suffered enough please help me get rid of this thoughts and emotions.
A few seconds later the phone range and it was my GF asking me to come down and help her, but as you know yourself, when you pay close attention and listen to your thoughts.
You know when you hear a moment of silence. As I hanged up the phone I just froze where I stood, I was standing in silence.

I started to walk out to my GF expecting the thoughts to come back any moment, as I reach the car, I realized that I was walking like I crapped my pants.
At this point I was afraid to lose this moment of silence, when people talk to me I barely answered them.
My GF ask me if I didn't hear her, I responded: I hear everything now. This lasted for about one hour, then slowly the thoughts returned.

when you pay close attention and listen to your thoughts and there is a emotion with it, I can feel it emerging from my chest.
Because I pay close attention, it's almost like I catch the emotion and as I observe the emotion. I can physically feel how I push the emotion down through my stomach and out.

I understand that the experience is different, because I have heard people talking about burping out the emotions, (it's not important where the emotion comes out.)

I have also experienced emotions after waking up in the morning and not until several hours later I remember having a bad dream that same night.
Now this emotion have stayed for hours, so it's not as strong as if you catch it when it starts emerging. It's more like an discomfort in your body.
But its just same techniques and after a time you get to know every different emotion there is, from the strong (I'm dying here) To the settle emotions who sneaks up on you like the leaf touch the lake's surface.


..8..

[Carmen]

We are supposed to have emotions. When we experience something for the first time, we gain the emotion of it. Emotions are a chemical process in the body, a chemical 'rush'. Problem is humans get addicted to the chemical rush and reproduce it over and over again to get the 'hit'. It's the strongest addiction we have and hard on our bodies! This is what I learned from my teacher, Ramtha, and I subsequently experienced the truth of this knowledge.

To continually reproduce the 'feelings' of the chemical hit, we have to keep dragging up the past, thus we are never 'present'. So, to stop this repetitive nonsense we have to be aware of our thoughts of repetitive past events! I know, in myself in the past, and in observing other people who are/were addicted to emotions, they would start building up thoughts, (anger for instance) ideas, in their mind, criticisms, then something would trigger the whole dang mess and they would 'blow'!! They would get a huge adrenaline rush then everything would calm down, they would feel great and everyone around them feels shat on!! With practice and focus we can learn to live in the now moment and this addictive nonsense can be controlled and 'given up'. Freedom from emotional addiction is a huge weight off ones shoulders. Our God, our 'observer' is a better place to 'be'.

[<8>]

One more thing Wakytweaky..


I think it was Eckhart Tolle that talk about grounding yourself and I felt it very helpful.
Because you can stay present much easier, let me know if you dont know what I am talking about.


P.s.. I have used my consciounes observation on physical pain to and it works great.
Try it out and let me know..

[Alie]

I wonder if enlightenment is like a chakra lighting - root to crown. I am noticing my grandchild's (20 month) intense please of eating, playing outside, water splashing, being hugged by parents and relatives --- simple grounding equating to the root chakra. For me I don't recall any of that --- and I have indications that my root chakra is the least healthy. So, perhaps that' why we suffer, our chakras were not/are not activated in a positive way.

[Realeyes]

Over many years I have met a number of people who look way physically younger than their age (I am not talking about plastic surgery etc – totally ‘natural’.) I have often wondered what their ‘secret’ is. They all had different diets and habits so it wasn’t this.

Then one day, ironically sitting in a waiting room to attend a friend’s funeral, I observed two old ladies chatting away – one constantly moaning about all her many, many ailments and woes in life; the other dear lady spoke of joyful experiences from her past, her love of her garden, her joy and hopes for life. She tried desperately to sway the subject into an appreciative and celebratory flow, but the other lady refused to let go. Both ladies were apparently the same age and sister in-laws, yet one of them looked considerably younger and very ‘able’ than the other.

I contemplated these dear ladies later that evening; I intuitively knew this normal scene I had witnessed was trying to tell me something, reveal something – my ‘Miss Marple’ was out and that always means something worthwhile. Anyway, this led me into contemplating everyone I knew or had met that had this natural glow of health or youth about them.

Oh my God, bells starting ringing! Two things connected all of them together.

(1) They were all in characteristics naturally light-hearted easy to get on with, well balanced people within themselves.

(2) They didn’t cling to their past, everything was an experience for them, ‘stepping stones’ leading to grander experiences and knowledge. They fully engaged in their present moments, there were no regrets of yesterday – in fact yesterday was also cherished for the lessons, experiences and wisdoms it had given leading them to today. Smile

So to conclude – ‘the secret’ I realised from my observations and contemplations is that ‘light heartedness and freedom from their past with appreciation, slowed down considerably the aging process. :happy:

[Carolin]

I love Abdy and his energy. This just came out.......had to share.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ-5ZwhkMb0&feature=youtu.be

[ljwheat]

I wonder if enlightenment is like a chakra lighting - root to crown. I am noticing my grandchild's (20 month) intense please of eating, playing outside, water splashing, being hugged by parents and relatives --- simple grounding equating to the root chakra. For me I don't recall any of that --- and I have indications that my root chakra is the least healthy. So, perhaps that' why we suffer, our chakras were not/are not activated in a positive way.

Some one told me a long time ago about fruit tree's don’t always bare fruit, and by slapping the base of the tree with a chain or something it wakes up the chakra or the tree and begins to bare fruit.

This has happened to me with a grapefruit tree we had didn’t bare fruit for year’s and one day I took a weed whacker to its base claiming up the yard and that year on---- it had tons of grapefruit from then on.

Recently I ran across a video that made me think of this practice and this funny little Chinese man is going around having people slapping themselves seeming lee waking up the chakra’s threw endings of the feet and hands.

I wonder are people any different tan a fruit tree, is it possible this guy has hit on the secret of awakening the body at will? Any way here is the video what do you think of this? John XXX

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[Eram]

One more thing Wakytweaky..


I think it was Eckhart Tolle that talk about grounding yourself and I felt it very helpful.
Because you can stay present much easier, let me know if you dont know what I am talking about.


P.s.. I have used my consciounes observation on physical pain to and it works great.
Try it out and let me know..

Thanks ...8...,

for the wonderful story about thoughts, emotions and consciousness.

Yesterday I was making a walk with my GF and daughter. We saw 3 horses in a meadow and my GF called them (she speak with animals). They came to us and we petted them a while. My Gf said to me that the horse I was petting said to her in astonishment: "He's afraid of me".

This makes me realise once more that I have some serious work to do before playing the enlightenment game (enlightenment as in ending all suffering). I'm still afraid of many things and many times unaware of it.
I feel I am on the right track though. The cup is half full most of the times and there is progression in many ways. I'm not in a hurry.
I recently discovered some amazing tools to enhance my health and well-being. Oil pulling and the slapping method from Hongchi Xiao were
ljwheat talks about.

Could you remind me of what way Eckhart Tolle is speaking in regard to the grounding?
I have difficulties in this area and many methods of trying to help this are not my way( visualising and meditating etc)

I find it so inspiring that so many people are gaining awareness so fast these days. It really helps me to remember that the world ans human consciousness is expanding. how wonderful!

Thank you also carmen, for the story about the emotions.
This gives me a few new insights in this matter.

[markpierre]

I love Abdy and his energy. This just came out.......had to share.

Hey thanks for that vid Carolin

All I'd really remembered about Abdy was that he was really sweet to me. I thanked him after the last time I saw him, something about being out there and doing it,
and he just said "somebody has to" and gave me a look. It made me feel really stupid about all the wonderful things I've done.

[<8>]

One more thing Wakytweaky..


I think it was Eckhart Tolle that talk about grounding yourself and I felt it very helpful.
Because you can stay present much easier, let me know if you dont know what I am talking about.


P.s.. I have used my consciounes observation on physical pain to and it works great.
Try it out and let me know..

Thanks ...8...,

for the wonderful story about thoughts, emotions and consciousness.

Yesterday I was making a walk with my GF and daughter. We saw 3 horses in a meadow and my GF called them (she speak with animals). They came to us and we petted them a while. My Gf said to me that the horse I was petting said to her in astonishment: "He's afraid of me".

This makes me realise once more that I have some serious work to do before playing the enlightenment game (enlightenment as in ending all suffering). I'm still afraid of many things and many times unaware of it.
I feel I am on the right track though. The cup is half full most of the times and there is progression in many ways. I'm not in a hurry.
I recently discovered some amazing tools to enhance my health and well-being. Oil pulling and the slapping method from Hongchi Xiao were
ljwheat talks about.

Could you remind me of what way Eckhart Tolle is speaking in regard to the grounding?
I have difficulties in this area and many methods of trying to help this are not my way( visualising and meditating etc)

I find it so inspiring that so many people are gaining awareness so fast these days. It really helps me to remember that the world ans human consciousness is expanding. how wonderful!

Thank you also carmen, for the story about the emotions.
This gives me a few new insights in this matter.

Hi Wakytweaky..

The grounding I am referring to, is when you are in a moment of silence. put some of your attention in your hands and you will sense a tingling sensation at first.
This is your inner being ,your true self. By putting some attention in your hands when you are in silence, you can stay present much easier.

If you put this into practice, you will sense you're being in your whole body and it will become much more powerful than an tingling sensation after time.
And it's a perfect tool to use when you are talking to people and you want to stay present.

P.s...I believe Eckhart Tolle mentioned that it heals your body to.

..8..

[Eram]

Hi Wakytweaky..

The grounding I am referring to, is when you are in a moment of silence. put some of your attention in your hands and you will sense a tingling sensation at first.
This is your inner being ,your true self. By putting some attention in your hands when you are in silence, you can stay present much easier.

If you put this into practice, you will sense you're being in your whole body and it will become much more powerful than an tingling sensation after time.
And it's a perfect tool to use when you are talking to people and you want to stay present.

P.s...I believe Eckhart Tolle mentioned that it heals your body to.

..8..

Woww!! Can it be this simple?

I tried it and it works.

It really works.

It pulls me in the here and now instantly.

It must have been 18 years ago that I did my first grounding exercise and I failed them all. Visualisations, meditations, you name it. Visualising that a chain with an anchor shoots out the spinal-cord into the earth. Growing roots from my feet down into the earth. Nothing worked for me. Nothing really helped me to feel more grounded, and I have had my fair share of being not-grounded.

It's hard to tell what this will do for me when I start using this regularly, but it will make a difference.

thanks!

[<8>]

Hi Wakytweaky..

I'm Happy that it worked for you.

And it's very simple, like it should be, all you need is within you. all the rest is your mind make you run around in circles.
When the truth have been within you the whole time.

That's how seductive the mind is and when you NOW look at the world, you might understand that it's runned by the mind.

Stay grounded in the formless YOU and you will clear up your mind and be present all the time.

..8..