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NancyV
29th May 2012, 19:25
Always like to read your insightful posts, NancyV. However, this is not one of them.
Cheers -*-


I didn't realize this was the same excuse for a real human being that Duncan was interacting with. I subscribe to Duncan's blog and have been amazed at how ignorant this "former white hat" yahoo is. He's a rather pathetic joke. Quoting him as though he has any shred of credibility is probably not advisable, that is if one wishes to retain any credibility for themselves.
So you're saying you actually believe this "former white hat" character? Okay... you definitely have a right to your own beliefs. I prefer to make judgments based on whose lies look the most obvious and stupid and the "former white hat" dude has been spewing nonsense, in my opinion. Then again I don't waste my time believing much that anyone says since it's mostly all opinions and theories. I like some theories more and some less.

One of the theories I somewhat like, which relates to Drake and several other so called insiders, is from John Lash in the following discussion: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/oculusradio/2012/05/17/oculus-radio

Starting at about 37 minutes up to 42 minutes:
In answering a question about Fulford, how things may play out and karmic law, John Lash says:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I’m not quite sure what your concept of karma is. Personally I don’t believe in karma at all. I don’t think “what goes around comes around”. I think that evil and deceitful people get away with things all the time and have done for centuries. I don’t think there’s any cosmic law that catches up with them in another life and punishes them. I think that ethics is a human problem and we have to solve it on human terms.

Human ethics, what is just, what is right is our responsibility. That’s part of the experiment we’re in, as I understand it….is that we have the responsibility as human animals who are different from the other animals on this planet to establish what is the real basis of ethics and responsibility and morality and justice, if you will. Although I never use that term ‘cause I don’t think there is any such thing as justice. But there is a correction of wrong behavior. In the best case scenario, people who do wrong to others, people who harm others or deceive may be able to admit their own error and correct themselves and change. I allow that people can do that.

As for those who can’t… well they become a problem to the responsible members of society. It’s our problem. There’s no cosmic law that is in effect, as far as I know, that’s going to take care of this. I really don’t see it that way.

By the way, you mentioned Fulford. I think he’s a pathological liar who is unable to tell his own fictions from fact. I think that he lies wildly and makes things up. He has a messianic complex. What he says does not come true, I do not expect it to come true. Lately David Wilcock has joined up with him and they’re now talking to this guy Drake, who is really an obvious cointel pro double agent. You have to be pretty naïve to believe what this guy Drake is saying.

I’m very angry at those people, I must say. I am really, really angry at them. Because this is the very moment when the human race needs to buck up and find its courage and face the predators. And they are playing on the confusion and hope of people in an extremely insidious manner. I hold them responsible for doing that and I’m really, really angry about this crap that’s going around about mass arrests and lawsuits of the White Dragon Society. It’s just a fantasy and it’s not going to help us. It’s not going to help us.

If it were happening, if what Drake is saying were happening, that there has been a 20 year concerted effort to set up in the United States through Federal Marshals and through a system of the police and the authorities an alternative system that is going to take down the Feds, who we know are all corrupts and criminals, if that were true it wouldn’t be announced through some noodle-brain like David Wilcock. You know? Why would they choose David Wilcock to announce it? I mean, give me a break. It would be announced in some legitimate fashion with proof of what they’re doing.

I think David Wilcock just latched onto it because of his personal fame. He wants to be a new age guru. Look at the way he poses himself to be a person of vision and his playing on people’s fears and giving them false hope. It’s deplorable and disgusting and I’d like to see him taken out and given 30 lashes with a big long wet noodle. Anything to just stop spreading this false hope…please!

ThePythonicCow
29th May 2012, 20:10
...

One of the theories I somewhat like, which relates to Drake and several other so called insiders, is from John Lash in the following discussion: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/oculusradio/2012/05/17/oculus-radio

Starting at about 37 minutes up to 42 minutes:
In answering a question about Fulford, how things may play out and karmic law, John Lash says:
,,,

Awesome .

turiya
29th May 2012, 22:24
So you're saying you actually believe this "former white hat" character?
No, I actually don't believe anything anybody says. If you had read one of my other recent replies you can understand, perhaps, where I am coming from. Like I said, I don't believe what anybody says. I may file it away somewhere in my brain to see if it comes true for me.

What I find more important is what other people believe. This is because it is what others believe, as a collective, which often times trumps Truth & actual facts - take the so-called "income' tax for example. Most people don't know anything about tax law but have been brainwashed into believing that they are required to pay this tax.

As I told mountain_jim, I posted this FWH thing to see what others think about this.
And in another response back to your reaction was that perhaps a Drake arrest may be a way for him to quietly recede back into the woodwork from whence he came, leaving every Drake supporter believing that he is incarcerated somewhere. When in fact he may have served his purpose and it was time to exit the scene. (Perhaps, FWH & Drake are working in tandem - we shall see.)

I am glad you posted this John Lamb excerpt. I was going to get around to it at some point. I like the way John Lamb thinks - do not agree with everything he says, but he often thinks outside the box.

The part that I feel in your post that lacks insight is where you critique my posting of the FWH has said because you think it casts a shadow over my credibility.

As I reminded another poster, try to remember not to attack the messenger.

Cheers - turiya

Edit: John Lash on Drake/Wilcock/Fulford: http://curezone.com/ig/i.asp?i=58808



Always like to read your insightful posts, NancyV. However, this is not one of them.
Cheers -*-


I didn't realize this was the same excuse for a real human being that Duncan was interacting with. I subscribe to Duncan's blog and have been amazed at how ignorant this "former white hat" yahoo is. He's a rather pathetic joke. Quoting him as though he has any shred of credibility is probably not advisable, that is if one wishes to retain any credibility for themselves.
So you're saying you actually believe this "former white hat" character? Okay... you definitely have a right to your own beliefs. I prefer to make judgments based on whose lies look the most obvious and stupid and the "former white hat" dude has been spewing nonsense, in my opinion. Then again I don't waste my time believing much that anyone says since it's mostly all opinions and theories. I like some theories more and some less.

One of the theories I somewhat like, which relates to Drake and several other so called insiders, is from John Lash in the following discussion: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/oculusradio/2012/05/17/oculus-radio

Starting at about 37 minutes up to 42 minutes:
In answering a question about Fulford, how things may play out and karmic law, John Lash says:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I’m not quite sure what your concept of karma is. Personally I don’t believe in karma at all. I don’t think “what goes around comes around”. I think that evil and deceitful people get away with things all the time and have done for centuries. I don’t think there’s any cosmic law that catches up with them in another life and punishes them. I think that ethics is a human problem and we have to solve it on human terms.

Human ethics, what is just, what is right is our responsibility. That’s part of the experiment we’re in, as I understand it….is that we have the responsibility as human animals who are different from the other animals on this planet to establish what is the real basis of ethics and responsibility and morality and justice, if you will. Although I never use that term ‘cause I don’t think there is any such thing as justice. But there is a correction of wrong behavior. In the best case scenario, people who do wrong to others, people who harm others or deceive may be able to admit their own error and correct themselves and change. I allow that people can do that.

As for those who can’t… well they become a problem to the responsible members of society. It’s our problem. There’s no cosmic law that is in effect, as far as I know, that’s going to take care of this. I really don’t see it that way.

By the way, you mentioned Fulford. I think he’s a pathological liar who is unable to tell his own fictions from fact. I think that he lies wildly and makes things up. He has a messianic complex. What he says does not come true, I do not expect it to come true. Lately David Wilcock has joined up with him and they’re now talking to this guy Drake, who is really an obvious cointel pro double agent. You have to be pretty naïve to believe what this guy Drake is saying.

I’m very angry at those people, I must say. I am really, really angry at them. Because this is the very moment when the human race needs to buck up and find its courage and face the predators. And they are playing on the confusion and hope of people in an extremely insidious manner. I hold them responsible for doing that and I’m really, really angry about this crap that’s going around about mass arrests and lawsuits of the White Dragon Society. It’s just a fantasy and it’s not going to help us. It’s not going to help us.

If it were happening, if what Drake is saying were happening, that there has been a 20 year concerted effort to set up in the United States through Federal Marshals and through a system of the police and the authorities an alternative system that is going to take down the Feds, who we know are all corrupts and criminals, if that were true it wouldn’t be announced through some noodle-brain like David Wilcock. You know? Why would they choose David Wilcock to announce it? I mean, give me a break. It would be announced in some legitimate fashion with proof of what they’re doing.

I think David Wilcock just latched onto it because of his personal fame. He wants to be a new age guru. Look at the way he poses himself to be a person of vision and his playing on people’s fears and giving them false hope. It’s deplorable and disgusting and I’d like to see him taken out and given 30 lashes with a big long wet noodle. Anything to just stop spreading this false hope…please!

mountain_jim
30th May 2012, 15:32
As I told mountain_jim, I posted this FWH thing to see what others think about this.


How is it helpful, in the search for facts and truth, to post known disinfo from a known disinfo source, without identifying it as such, to see what others think about it?



As I reminded another poster, try to remember not to attack the messenger.



If the 'messenger', who "actually don't believe anything anybody says.", but instead "What I find more important is what other people believe" , then why muddy the water by posting known disinfo? How is this helpful?

(If the disinfo was not known as such, then one would think the spreader would be pleased to be corrected and remove the known disinfo from the post.)

I notice the 'messenger' was also called out for 'rubbing peoples noses in sh!t', in a thread now locked for other 'messenger's insults.

I notice one of our moderators has been deeply involved in trying to keep this ship/forum afloat above the murky waters of violated etiquette, but

with the apparent willfull spreading of disinfo here (or calling it an attack when the disinfo nature of the post is identified for the poster),

the talking down to others by some who believe their truth is so much better informed than most of the rest of us,

and the insulting of thread contributors by assuming and calling them 'Fans' which got another thread locked today....

well that's my vent for today.