Drake and Teri - a contrary view.

[turiya]

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I have moved the first 9 posts of this new thread from another thread at Drake: Updates, clarifications and more (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more).

I call this "thread splitting." It is something I do when the contrary or dissension view on one thread is becoming overly disagreeable, distracting or disrupting to the original view of a thread. It's like asking the dissenters to take their conversation into the next room.
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Is Teri Hinkle that is with Drake the same person as Terry Hinkle / Terry Lynn / Terry Lynn Hinkle / Terry Hinckle that is mentioned on post 103? Several variations and spellings here. How many Terry/Teri Hinkles?Hinclkes are there in the US?

Just wondering.

Teri Hinkle, Terry Hinkle, Terri Hinkle, Teri Lynn Hinkle - take your pick. Names may be many but the faces will remain unchanged for the most part...

The Usual Suspects - Global Marketing Solutions (GMS) Queenpins.
http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/stooges2.jpg
May be presently undergoing FBI investigation.
From: http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/internet-hyip-scams/26779-mrs-vip-v-lane-ponzi-245.html#post156462

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/turiya_file/TERI_HINKLE_Mrs_VipVLane_Ponzi1.jpg

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/turiya_file/TERI_HINKLE_Mrs_VipVLane_Ponzi.jpg

From: http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/internet-hyip-scams/26779-mrs-vip-v-lane-ponzi-107.html

V-Lane Marketing Team Image found at: http://www.realscam.com/f17/gms-scammers-1002/index2.html

http://curezone.com/upload/_C_Forums/Conspiracy/TERRI_LYNN_HINKLE_ADDRESS_redacted.jpg

*EDIT*: Sincere apologies to those that may have been caught up in reacting in anger over what was posted here.

Added Note: If the original material does turn out to have been true & correct, I will then come back later to re-insert those original images.

Best to all -*-

[Endity]

Is this a form of obsession or just mere trolling? lol either way most of what you link and say is as credible as listening to obama.

[turiya]

Is this a form of obsession or just mere trolling? lol either way most of what you link and say is as credible as listening to obama.

Just answering a question that was posed after my last post.

Think about it, friends, just how do you think the de facto FBI cajoles people into working for them, into being one of their informants???
The trick is that they have the goods on them in a particular crime, and have them work for them in another capacity in order so they can work a deal for them in the outcome of their pending trial.

This is exactly how the SPLC & ADL influenced de facto FBI tend to do their work.

Here's the latest ADL's most recent strategy of going after those in the Sovereign Citizen Movement.

http://curezone.com/upload/_C_Forums/Conspiracy/download.jpeg


Dollars to doughnuts this is how they got the Hutaree FBI informant to do his work.
Who knows perhaps, in order to get a lighter sentence. Which brings the question: Was Terri Hinkle assigneed to go after, and bring down the Tim Turner/RuSA group? Divide & conquer is the strategy consistently found in the way they do their work.

The Hutaree FBI Informant is easy to pick out of this line-up of Hutaree participants.

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/turiya_file/bilde.jpeg

Its obvious, the informants mug shot was taken on a different occasion - and no doubt for a different crime.

And it was just last year that the CBS '60 Minutes' had run their spun "hit-piece" on those that were so-called "Sovereigns":


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F_pY47hE5U

With all this in mind, could this mystery man "Drake" also have been cajoled into working an assignment for a similar reason? Could "Drake" be a de facto government asset or informant of some kind?

Being gullible is not the same as being intuitive.

turiya -*-

[YvonneG]

THERE IS ONE BIG DIFFERENCE HERE, That Drake is not asking us to sign papers with finger prints and 2 witnesses--he does not know who we are...got it?

Putting all this up, which I assure you I am going to pass on to Teri, herself, so she can defend herself is just insane. We can find anything on the internet and anyone can make up anything at all. You have an ulterior Motive I am now convinced. I also assure you that I will get answers for this and be back to post them. Jeez...like I didn't have anything better.

:wizard:

OH I SEE THAT YOUR INFORMATION COMES FROM SUCH TRUSTWORTHY FORUMS AND SUCH...

DO YOU PERSONALLY KNOW TERI OR SOMEONE WHO DOES? DO YOU PERSONALLY KNOW PEOPLE THAT SHE HAS HELPED? WHAT DO YOU KNOW...THE H-ECK WITH INTUITION. WE ARE ALL WARPED AND INFLUENCED BY OUR "BRAINS' PROGRAMMING".

I have one question for you---who has put you in this position to preach to the rest of us and continue to insult us with calling us GULLIBLE...:der:

[DreamsInDigital]

Thats precisely why most of us have put that person on the ignore list. Tired of the baseless attacks, we ignore them.

[YvonneG]

And Teri has not gone off into any sunset. She still has her shows. So for starters you are not telling the truth. She is also reachable through Freedom reigns. I have sent this to Freedom reigns and I am sure they will inform Teri. This is not going to work for those of us who want to hear and see facts. What you have posted comes from a forum...now that is really factual...from an anonymous person to boot. And you would think we are guillible, but we are not.



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[YvonneG]

How do I do that? However, I might now want to, because Teri is not here to defend herself and I have become friends wiht one of the Freedom reigns person and now work with another. Besides she is counting on people being gullible and I prefer the world naive as in lack of information and there has to be rebuttals for this. This ain't my favorite thing to do, I assure you. I have no idea why I find myself coming to the forum this morning so earlier...but then my guidance comes from a deeper and higher source and I just move with it.

Thanks for being a friend DreamInDigital



Thats precisely why most of us have put that person on the ignore list. Tired of the baseless attacks, we ignore them.

[DreamsInDigital]

How do I do that? However, I might now want to, because Teri is not here to defend herself and I have become friends wiht one of the Freedom reigns person and now work with another. Besides she is counting on people being gullible and I prefer the world naive as in lack of information and there has to be rebuttals for this. This ain't my favorite thing to do, I assure you. I have no idea why I find myself coming to the forum this morning so earlier...but then my guidance comes from a deeper and higher source and I just move with it.

Thanks for being a friend DreamInDigital



Thats precisely why most of us have put that person on the ignore list. Tired of the baseless attacks, we ignore them.
:hug: Thank you too, my friend :)
I think our friends "upstairs" are working hard as they can to make this work as much as we all are down here, for you for future reference and anyone else who might want to, you just go to the profile of the person. Below their avatar, is all those options like add friend etc, so is the ignore option. Think about it, if Teri was here and able to defend her self, the troll wouldn't be working so hard if at all.

[YvonneG]

Turiya,

How about I am now going to post links about you...a law student... who is doing research. What you present here would not hold up in a court of law. Anonymous posters on a forum is not evidence. I am sure Turiya is not your real name.

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1930586#i

[turiya]

Turiya,

How about I am now going to post links about you...a law student... who is doing research. What you present here would not hold up in a court of law. Anonymous posters on a forum is not evidence. I am sure Turiya is not your real name.

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1930586#i

Thank you for the promo. We do need a bit more traffic over there at the Curezone Conspiracy Forum.
BTW, Teri Hinkle's stuff wouldn't hold up in court either. Its total spin.
Are you saying that I am a law student? Or that you are a law student? I am a student of Life.

I been out of school for more that 25 years. Now if your the law student, learning at a university, you will be fed
nothing but BS there. I would suggest to you to Drop Out! The sooner the better, because the more years you
spend in school, the more you are going to be programmed, to fit in a little box with your thinking.

Drop out! And become a student of Life instead.

Nice try at intimidation, for someone that has a lot to learn still.
Best regards, turiya -*-

[we-R-one]

Wow, I usually don't get involved in this kinda stuff, but Turiya, it sure seems that you are quite obsessed with Teri Hinkle for some reason. You see this is why we don't win, so much time and energy wasted attempting to destroy one another. You are serving the dark one's by your continuing actions IMO. They don't really need to do much to us because we are more than capable of destroying ourselves. This kind of _rap is one of the reasons I got out of the patriot movement.

I mean it's not like you can't have an opinion, but you seem to be taking your stance way over the top. I'd be careful or you might end up in a slander lawsuit and is it really worth it? You would be better served to state your case and move on. I'm still kinda new around here, and I haven't viewed all of your posts, but gee whiz I think we get the message all ready that Teri is not your idol.

[turiya]

THERE IS ONE BIG DIFFERENCE HERE, That Drake is not asking us to sign papers with finger prints and 2 witnesses--he does not know who we are...got it?

Putting all this up, which I assure you I am going to pass on to Teri, herself, so she can defend herself is just insane. We can find anything on the internet and anyone can make up anything at all. You have an ulterior Motive I am now convinced. I also assure you that I will get answers for this and be back to post them. Jeez...like I didn't have anything better.

:wizard:

OH I SEE THAT YOUR INFORMATION COMES FROM SUCH TRUSTWORTHY FORUMS AND SUCH...

DO YOU PERSONALLY KNOW TERI OR SOMEONE WHO DOES? DO YOU PERSONALLY KNOW PEOPLE THAT SHE HAS HELPED? WHAT DO YOU KNOW...THE H-ECK WITH INTUITION. WE ARE ALL WARPED AND INFLUENCED BY OUR "BRAINS' PROGRAMMING".

I have one question for you---who has put you in this position to preach to the rest of us and continue to insult us with calling us GULLIBLE...:der:

I don't know anybody. I only know her voice.
When she talks, it gives me a stomach ache.
The same discomfort I feel when "Drake speaks."

I listen to my body. And my body is saying that this Teri Hinkle
& "Drake" are not to be trusted.

I found that a person that sent me a private message, who had at one time worked
with Teri, gave me the information on Global Marketing Solutions, and how Teri Hinkle was
thought to be a ruthless old hag of a tyrant & the meanest old witch that would never want to meet,
as well as the possibility that Teri is very possibly headed for a court case in the very near future
involving her involvement with internet fraud through that company.

I took the information that was provided and google searched it & have found the information that I have been posting.
I am just reporting what others have posted on the internet. Call it simply compilation of character references.

Yeah, so I thought there would be a few here that would recognize her picture... buddies.
Be sure to ask her about being an FBI informant/asset. Will you please? Let her know that
there is at least somebody here that has not fallen for her line of BS. Thank you.

-*-

[we-R-one]

And one more thing....remember you are dealing with souls at different levels down on this planet. Not everyone is going to be perfect. We all have our lessons to learn. Judging one another is where we get in to trouble. Hypothetically, even if Teri Hinkle is bad news, which I have no idea, .....how do you know she's not playing a role to teach someone else a lesson. It's a game down here, it's only a game.

[YvonneG]

I am not trying to intimidate you! I have trying to present a defense, since Teri is not here to defend herself. Don't you have anything else to contribute? So far you have had nothing but put-downs on Drake and Teri. Teri is going to address this publicly I am told. As if she does it the way she did with TT and RuSa, she is will come in with facts...recordings, documents etc. Unlike what you are presenting. And to be honest, what really upset is the way you talk down to us calling us gullible.

Frankly, I don't care about you being a law student. I just wanted you to know that I am going to presenting a counter to what you are presenting about Teri. Do you know her personally?

Once Teri addresses this publicly I will stop communicating with you. And interesting that you are talking about getting publicity...who are you working for now? TT or the Defacto? Your venom against Teri without knowing her is also suspect.

Once more my intention has not be to intimidate, although it is obvious you think that by calling gullible we are just going to listen to you. That is definitely not coool, and what really spurred me on even more. Why spend you time doing this? :wizard:

And I surely agree with we-R-one. I don't like doing this, but I have no choice, because anyone coming here that is not as wise as we-R-one could just believe you since you have posted so much and so obscenely in my opinion. Most old timers are ignoring you. I will not ignore you until I have written enough for the record, which as soon as Teri goes public, I will post it here and be done.







Turiya,

How about I am now going to post links about you...a law student... who is doing research. What you present here would not hold up in a court of law. Anonymous posters on a forum is not evidence. I am sure Turiya is not your real name.

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1930586#i

Thank you for the promo. We do need a bit more traffic over there at the Curezone Conspiracy Forum.
BTW, Teri Hinkle's stuff wouldn't hold up in court either. Its total spin.
Are you saying that I am a law student? Or that you are a law student? I am a student of Life.

I been out of school for more that 25 years. Now if your the law student, learning at a university, you will be fed
nothing but BS there. I would suggest to you to Drop Out! The sooner the better, because the more years you
spend in school, the more you are going to be programmed, to fit in a little box with your thinking.

Drop out! And become a student of Life instead.

Nice try at intimidation, for someone that has a lot to learn still.
Best regards, turiya -*-

[turiya]

And one more thing....remember you are dealing with souls at different levels down on this planet. Not everyone is going to be perfect. We all have our lessons to learn. Judging one another is where we get in to trouble. Hypothetically, even if Teri Hinkle is bad news, which I have no idea, .....how do you know she's not playing a role to teach someone else a lesson. It's a game down here, it's only a game.

Totally agree with you.
With that being said: How do you know I am not here to teach, or to learn
whatever lesson I am here to learn? Perhaps, I am here to teach Teri the lesson she came here to learn?

Your question is quite telling - of your own judgment call, of your forgetting that it is all a game. Why
do you think it is something I shouldn't be doing? After all, it is only a game.

It seems you are too caught up in the light/dark dualistic reality. How do you know Teri is not serving the dark forces?
You have forgotten who you are, now you too are getting caught up in the game, forgetting its a game.

Cheers -*-

[we-R-one]

I appreciate your comments Turiya, but I will not participate in your parade as I think you are missing the message. I am not here to judge you, just merely making an oberservation.

[YvonneG]

For someone who listens to her body, you quite over the top. And need to believe you, why? I listen to my body too and I didn't like her voice at first, but I HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO LISTEN TO ALL HER RADIO SHOWS WITH DRAKE so that I do not have a first "reaction" body response as you seem to be doing. I know about listen to the body, i have practiced mindfulness for many years and also heart meditation. And quite often, my first reaction, are not correct and I have come in with major triggers of my unconscious.

You have gone on a witch hunt becasue of your first reaction and as we know everything on the internet is true?

[YvonneG]

Turiya, I just went outside felt my body and heart. I don't like this. I don't want to attack you in any way. I am wondering if you would take the time to listen to Teri and perhaps your body can move through a possible reaction that you are having. I speak this to you as one human to another and it seems we have more in common than either one of us believe.

I have almost lost 2 good clients because I couldn't stomach them at first and my body went crazy. What a big mistake this would of been they are now not just good clients but friends as well. Just consider that.

When I went out side I was able to stop the "defense" of Teri mode and this is what I felt to write.

Be well... we are really on the same side on some levels anyway.

Yvonne (my real name)

[Unified Serenity]

I find the personal attacks on Turiya an interesting group dynamic. I believe she is providing information as she has found it and I put it in the box of "Drake information" along with everything else I discover, I do not condemn or verify it as such until I have satisfied myself. I encourage anyone who appreciates Turiya's comments and information to show some support because this does appear like a pile on by those who are strong supporters of "Drake" and want to shut her up. Some tolerance and love and light expression by those who disagree with her would be nice.

I have very strong views on sovereignty and I have direct experience going back to the early 90's in this movement. None of the stuff Drake talked about is new or ground breaking. I heard the EXACT same story all those years ago. I have personal knowledge of people going to prison over this stuff and I also have personal knowledge of others being entrapped to assist the government in building a case / entrapment. I do believe this is yet another move to divide and conquer the patriot movement, to shut it down before it gets much traction, and I would not be the least bit surprised if some "wacko" does something and the media runs the story that the person is in the "sovereignty" movement and they just killed X number of innocent men, women and children (Think Oklahoma City bombing of the Murrah Building which was a false flag). The militia movement died and to this day the average person still believes Timothy McVeigh blew that building up..... roll on the floor laugh out loud time. I support Turiya bringing info forward and think the ad hominem attacks are tactless and rude. Terri and Drake have made themselves public figures by actions and talking about them via facts is very appropriate. Posters on forums real name issue is a red herring meant to derail a thread. I could post any name and claim it's my real name, you would have no clue.

[white wizard]

The air is ripe for change and the momentum is building. If you can look at things

from all angles from the highest to smallest you will understand that.

Look at the facts since 2010.


- Rise of the peoples awareness with the tea party movement and the occupy wall street movement that swept the western world.

- Rise of the middle east from countries overthrowing there dictators/leaders.

- Look outside at night look into the stars you will begin to see the ships up there they flash multiple colors and have been here since early 2010. I have
seen them all over the world since I travel a lot and you can see them with the naked eye. They are here for a reason look up you will see them.

You can argue all day about what the change will be and how it will come, but
your missing the point that the change is already here you just do not take the time to see it. Look around you look within yourself you will see it.

Remember where the new age movement was just four years ago look at
the knowledge and ideas that have came along since Camelot first came
into being.

IF you always focus on the negative that is what will manifest itself into your
life. Let go have fun enjoy yourself because in the end no matter what happens we will always be conscious beings experiencing consciousness in
one form or another. You choose how to experience it don't forget that.

[Unified Serenity]

IF you always focus on the negative that is what will manifest itself into your
life. Let go have fun enjoy yourself because in the end no matter what happens we will always be conscious beings experiencing consciousness in
one form or another. You choose how to experience it don't forget that.

I'm really tired of the innuendo that anyone who sees a different reality than the rainbow skies and lollipop visions is creating a negative world. I think it's assholes who create a negative world, and it's people recognizing assholes who make a conscious effort to shine the light of truth on it to eventually stop that behavior. At one time it was perfectly acceptable to treat some people a certain way, to call them names etc. and it was through effort of those speaking of that negative truth that caused much of society to stop behaving that way. It was facing reality that changed it, not ignoring it and claiming to be seeing a better world that changed it.

Reality bites, but that's life.

Let me put in anther way, If a rapist with a knife in his hand is three feet behind a woman in a dark parking lot and I pretend not to see him will the rape just not occur? Now, If I see the rapist headed that way and yell out and he runs away, have I not helped her via my seeing truth? Reality just is.

BTW, I am all for doing work in astral to put forth positive energy into the world.... people still are assholes though at this time.

[white wizard]

IF you always focus on the negative that is what will manifest itself into your
life. Let go have fun enjoy yourself because in the end no matter what happens we will always be conscious beings experiencing consciousness in
one form or another. You choose how to experience it don't forget that.

I'm really tired of the innuendo that anyone who sees a different reality than the rainbow skies and lollipop visions is creating a negative world. I think it's assholes who create a negative world, and it's people recognizing assholes who make a conscious effort to shine the light of truth on it to eventually stop that behavior.
BTW, I am all for doing work in astral to put forth positive energy into the world.... people still are assholes though at this time.

I agree truth will set you free, because the only way this can go on is

through deception. I think people need to be careful though putting yourself

into one perspective of absolute love and light or absolute hate, fear and

deception will just keep you trapped in duality. The big thing I have learned

to understand is not to take sides on either one but to understand these

both are tools for learning that is it. You have to remember we all chose to

experience this on one level or another and had it not served some purpose

for our spiritual evolution then we would have never left the source to come

down here and experience it for ourselves.

[aranuk]

Turiya is a man. Look at his profile. So many of you refer to him as a she.

Stan

[Unified Serenity]

Thanks Stan, I did go with the reference of others that Turiya was a she. I will make adjustments to that...... I do appreciate truth.

[pilotsimone]

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[Unified Serenity]

Turiya is a man. Look at his profile. So many of you refer to him as a she.

Stan

This sparked a similar thought I had recently.

I was surprised to learn Unified Serenity is a man. The username, picture, and quote in his signature "Well behaved women rarely accomplish much" did not support such a thing in my very conditioned mind.

I am learning (slowly) not to assume gender anymore based on these things. :)

Where did you get the idea that I am a man? I don't think sex matters because the mind is what is sharing and not our genitals. I am a woman.

[pilotsimone]

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[Unified Serenity]

ok, you really are stereotyping yourself now. I am a lesbian, and I have a wife.

[pilotsimone]

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[YvonneG]

This is really interesting. My ONLY intention is to get fair and equal time for someone who is not here to stay her side, since she is after all the one Turiya IS attacking. It is also to give the perspective from someone who knows personally people who ACTUALLY know Teri. This is not about Drake per se. It is about the attacks made on Teri. For all I know I could be wrong and I can admit that. But if we allow all the negative almost slanderous stuff from Turiya with no rebuttal, shame on us....

And I also don't be believe that everyone has ganged up on Turiya. Why not also say that she has ganged up on those of he/she calls guillible.
But for sure, this has now devolved into some thing very off of the point I have been trying to make.

And your statement here, Unified Serenity, about facts. What facts, anonymous posts on forums? Has Turiya listened to the freedom reigns shows to hear all of it...Teri's facts and documented evidence? No, because she didn't like the sound of her voice...This is are not facts. Her body told her she can't trust Teri. This is not a fact. My body tells me something else as does my heart and my several hours a day of meditation which I spend to clear out my head and brain from all the information overload. I have listened to all the shows. Am I right, Idon't know for sure. But I am not coming from a reaction that had because my body doesn't like Teri or her voice.

And honestly, I tried to have a human to human communication with Turiya and she has not responded.

I won't be posting again until Teri herself addressing publicly.



Terri and Drake have made themselves public figures by actions and talking about them via facts is very appropriate.


I find the personal attacks on Turiya an interesting group dynamic. I believe she is providing information as she has found it and I put it in the box of "Drake information" along with everything else I discover, I do not condemn or verify it as such until I have satisfied myself. I encourage anyone who appreciates Turiya's comments and information to show some support because this does appear like a pile on by those who are strong supporters of "Drake" and want to shut her up. Some tolerance and love and light expression by those who disagree with her would be nice.

I have very strong views on sovereignty and I have direct experience going back to the early 90's in this movement. None of the stuff Drake talked about is new or ground breaking. I heard the EXACT same story all those years ago. I have personal knowledge of people going to prison over this stuff and I also have personal knowledge of others being entrapped to assist the government in building a case / entrapment. I do believe this is yet another move to divide and conquer the patriot movement, to shut it down before it gets much traction, and I would not be the least bit surprised if some "wacko" does something and the media runs the story that the person is in the "sovereignty" movement and they just killed X number of innocent men, women and children (Think Oklahoma City bombing of the Murrah Building which was a false flag). The militia movement died and to this day the average person still believes Timothy McVeigh blew that building up..... roll on the floor laugh out loud time. I support Turiya bringing info forward and think the ad hominem attacks are tactless and rude. Terri and Drake have made themselves public figures by actions and talking about them via facts is very appropriate. Posters on forums real name issue is a red herring meant to derail a thread. I could post any name and claim it's my real name, you would have no clue.

[Unified Serenity]

It's quite alright PS. I hope you don't mind my shortening your name. I have been open about my partner on the forum. She is also a member named Khaleesi. You are alright in my book!

[pilotsimone]

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[Unified Serenity]

Ok, I am not trying to be Turiya's protector, but I will speak to the truth as I see it. I have been on the receiving end of a group of people not liking my views on this forum and others. Most often the attacks are ad hominem and just meant to try to shame / pressure someone by group dynamics to stfu. Heck I was even told to STFU and get off of a forum not that long ago because they didn't like my pov..

Everyone is entitled to believe whatever they want to believe. Everyone is entitled to share those views respectfully on a forum. I call it piling on when several individuals take on a poster whom they disagree with and start making accusations such as:

So, here is what I have so far in regards to the “piling on” as I called it:


Turiya has been called a troll:


“Is this a form of obsession or just mere trolling? “


Alluding to being a disinfo agent rather than just accepting Turiya is stating their views


“You have an ulterior Motive I am now convinced. “


Yelling at Turiya often a tactic to intimidate:


“OH I SEE THAT YOUR INFORMATION COMES FROM SUCH TRUSTWORTHY FORUMS AND SUCH...

DO YOU PERSONALLY KNOW TERI OR SOMEONE WHO DOES? DO YOU PERSONALLY KNOW PEOPLE THAT SHE HAS HELPED? WHAT DO YOU KNOW...THE H-ECK WITH INTUITION. WE ARE ALL WARPED AND INFLUENCED BY OUR "BRAINS' PROGRAMMING". “


Again, calling names “Troll”


“Think about it, if Teri was here and able to defend her self, the troll wouldn't be working so hard if at all. “




Alluding to Turiya not being wrapped to tightly:


“you are quite obsessed “


Now, Turiya is in league with the “Dark ones” which goes to character assassination all because someone doesn't like her posting what she has found online:


“You are serving the dark one's “


Dismissing Turiya's opinions as less valid than theirs:


“And I surely agree with we-R-one. I don't like doing this, but I have no choice, because anyone coming here that is not as wise as we-R-one could just believe you since you have posted so much and so obscenely in my opinion. “








Accusing Turiya's expressing her concerns as a “witch hunt” which is a label we have been conditioned to shy away from people who do this:


“You have gone on a witch hunt “




I did not think it was wise for Turiya to accuse people of being gullible. We all believe what we do because we see truth in it. Time will tell what the real truth is. Many of Tim Turner's fans would say the same things of Terri that are being said of Turiya. It nothing more than trying to control a forum and shut someone up. State the facts, leave out the accusations of those raising the issues. If you don't like their views as Modwiz has stated then there is the "ignore" button. I happen to want to hear everything, and I want it presented with links to verify the sources whenever possible. I think every truth seeker on this forum can make up their own mind as to what the truth is, but if they are wrong they have to deal with it just as I do when I am wrong.


I have stated my opinions thus far on Drake and the sovereignty messages. No need to beat a dead horse.

[YvonneG]

I won't enter into any further conversation about any of this. I wrote a post trying to have a real communication between Turiya and myself to get out of this or that and into our humanness. No response yet and several interesting post defending her. It was never my intention for any of this. I got really upset when I saw all that Turiya had put up, with photos and such without doing a full "investigation". And I over-reacted. I am not going to continue with this.

Here is the closet thing to a fact about some this from someone who personally knows Teri:


I have nothing back from Teri so I don’t want to say anything in her name, but this organization she belonged to was NOT what it was supposed to be and she got out when she realized it. Turns out she was right because it WAS investigated by the FBI. This was years ago as far as I know

[Lost N Found]

Thank you YvonneG, I have read so much from this Turiya and it all does appear nothing more than a obsession of hate for Teri. I suppose there is the same stuff going on about Drake with no real research being done. I do know something about Turner and have done research there so am very grateful for your view point. Please keep up the good work.

[Lost N Found]

I won't enter into any further conversation about any of this. I wrote a post trying to have a real communication between Turiya and myself to get out of this or that and into our humanness. No response yet and several interesting post defending her. It was never my intention for any of this. I got really upset when I saw all that Turiya had put up, with photos and such without doing a full "investigation". And I over-reacted. I am not going to continue with this.

Here is the closet thing to a fact about some this from someone who personally knows Teri:


I have nothing back from Teri so I don’t want to say anything in her name, but this organization she belonged to was NOT what it was supposed to be and she got out when she realized it. Turns out she was right because it WAS investigated by the FBI. This was years ago as far as I know

Yvonneg, thanks for this. I am another that has gotten out of this organization of deception. You are right in stopping the arguement with Turiya. There are so many people that refuse to see the big picture and become enamored with small boxes. This is what has been happening to all of humanity for so long.


For this Turiya to blatenly state that Teri's voice "makes my stomach turn" is nothing more than a very prejudice remark or hate unfolding in front of our eyes. It is the same as saying, that person has a lazy eye or a ugly growth on their back so I don't like them and they make me sick. This does not mean that the Human being does not have a soul or that they are quite spiritual. Where is the love? Do we as one chop are arms off because we don't like them? Where is the compassion, what happened to blow this one mind apart, to lose ourselves?

[modwiz]

Turiya is a man. Look at his profile. So many of you refer to him as a she.

Stan

It must be a new addition. Turiya was an it for awhile. I am glad he has decided to reveal that much of himeself. BTW. Thanks for the heads up. He will stay on my ignore list.

[Chester]

And one more thing....remember you are dealing with souls at different levels down on this planet. Not everyone is going to be perfect. We all have our lessons to learn. Judging one another is where we get in to trouble. Hypothetically, even if Teri Hinkle is bad news, which I have no idea, .....how do you know she's not playing a role to teach someone else a lesson. It's a game down here, it's only a game.

Totally agree with you.
With that being said: How do you know I am not here to teach, or to learn
whatever lesson I am here to learn?

Please learn it then - we heard your concerns and the more you pile on - the less credibility you have which makes all your arguements useless - Please

[frozen alchemy]

I'm just gonna dip my toe in here, but has anyone mentioned or realized that the Teri (Terri, Terry) Hinkle (Hinckle, etc.) that is being discussed here as a pyramid scheme artist may not be the one that is on the Drake shows? I have a rather unusual first name and surname and yet if I google it, turns out there are over 20 people in the US alone with the same name, most with the same middle name, also. That said, some of the information being posted here is wandering the line over into slander and the amount of digging and 'investigation' having been done is downright creepy.

THAT said (phew), I'm outta here.

[NancyV]

I'm just gonna dip my toe in here, but has anyone mentioned or realized that the Teri (Terri, Terry) Hinkle (Hinckle, etc.) that is being discussed here as a pyramid scheme artist may not be the one that is on the Drake shows? I have a rather unusual first name and surname and yet if I google it, turns out there are over 20 people in the US alone with the same name, most with the same middle name, also. That said, some of the information being posted here is wandering the line over into slander and the amount of digging and 'investigation' having been done is downright creepy.

THAT said (phew), I'm outta here.
I wasn't going to say anything since I don't often like to talk about people I know in public or discuss their personal lives, but yes, Teri Lynn Hinkle is the same one who spoke with Drake and was involved in the GMS company. I listened to the Drake interview and heard Teri. I have spoken with her multiple times over a period of a couple of years when we worked together. I can also tell you that although Teri and I do not agree in many areas and have had our run-ins in the past, I do not believe that she did anything criminal when she worked for the company that she and I both worked for. I do think there may be a further investigation and she may have problems or at least inconveniences because of the investigation since she was one of the top 4 people in the company. I was part of the staff and not in a managerial position. Of course there were a few thousand very unhappy people who collectively lost millions of dollars in this company. To this day I don't know for sure if it was fraudulent all along or if the CEO was telling the truth. I do know there were some blatant lies that I found out about later.

The fact that Teri may be involved in an investigation (which won't be in the past until the statute of limitations expires) should not invalidate her involvement with Drake. Obviously she believes in what she's doing. I don't personally believe that what Drake is predicting will come to pass although I am watching with interest. My opinion about these mass arrests, etc. is not an opinion with any knowledge to back it up so it's worthless to anyone else. I simply find it quite far fetched to think that they will be successful. If they are successful I'm also not sure I'll like what they want to replace the present system with, although it probably would be better... at least for a while until those with a bit of power find out they LIKE power and want more. It's human nature and why we're in the situation we're in now. But it would be exciting to see things change so radically so I wish them success in their endeavors.

Even though I personally do not get along with Teri and am not happy with some of her past actions and behaviors, I am still fair enough to say that she is an incredibly hard and dedicated worker and I'm sure she has volunteered a LOT of time and put in huge efforts to help further this cause.

I hope we can stop talking about Teri since I'm guessing her role in this Drake group is probably a relatively minor one such as a helper and organizer for the cause. She is a great organizer. I'm pretty sure she doesn't personally have any insider information other than what she hears from Drake and others as she had no insider contacts when I knew her, but a couple of years have passed and now she may know a lot. She became very passionate about the Restore America movement and Ted Turner's group a few years ago and started devoting most of her time to it when the GMS company failed. Now she's helping Drake's group and whether I like her or not, I'm sure she is a great asset for whatever group she is working for.

[ThePythonicCow]

I don't personally believe that what Drake is predicting will come to pass although I am watching with interest. My opinion about these mass arrests, etc. is not an opinion with any knowledge to back it up so it's worthless to anyone else. I simply find it quite far fetched to think that they will be successful.

My personal hunch, with even less knowledge to back it up than I figure you have :), is that we're being fed a story to help us "make sense" of some events that are or will be going down. It's a story, intended to calm those who will listen. It will continue to resemble parts of what is really going down, enough to distract us or to mislead us in directions useful to the bastards in power, but without revealing any critical insight or knowledge. The story will continue to "shape shift", as events unfold, and as those behind the scenes watch our reactions.

The real danger (for the bulk of us who are not special persons of interest) in the monitoring of the Internet is that it enables them to see, in detail, how such stories are reverberating through the online crowd, so they can continue to fine tune the story and the delivery. Like a farmer working a herd of cattle or a flock of sheep, the focus is usually on the group, and only on the individual animal when it gets too far out of line.

What's really going on, I fear, is we're being moved to a new barn.

I can see the dim outline, the shadows cast, of the changes happening on a world wide economic, monetary, energy, political and military scale.

What I can't see even dimly, and what might be critical to understanding what's going down, are two things: whether any major upcoming earth impacting celestial event is known by the bastards in power, and what role extraterrestrials may be playing in all this. Those are two potentially huge unknowns. I read with interest, but without conclusion, the comments on this forum of others who might have some awareness of these.

There are also larger underlying topics, my ignorance of which constrains my efforts on the more specific questions above, such as:
The scope of human, living and cosmological history, both earthly and galatic,
a clear understanding of physics and the spiritual, and
the layered, cyclic and/or fractal nature of reality (realities?).

(Oops - guess I am straying off the Drake and Teri topic here - sorry.)

[Ishtar]

Thanks, Paul. At last, some common sense (well, apart from the ET bit! :biggrin1: )

I was taken in by this to start with, but I've been pulling out fast, the last few days. I don't want to go from the frying pan into the fire. And there's no such thing as a bloodless revolution, even if those leading the revolution say that it should be peaceful. They won't be able to control it, once the status quo starts to unravel, and it will be used as a cover to settle old scores.

(And PS, such a shame when someone expresses a contrary view and backs it up with references that he is labelled a 'troll'. This is a discussion board, isn't it?)

[Hervé]

Here is from the guy who got shot dead for having had a dream of freedom and peace for everyone involved:


Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

Martin Luther King

[Ishtar]

We're all in Plato's Cave here ... tied up, in the dark, and facing a wall upon which the puppet masters are throwing different shadows.

In this kind of scenario, it's stupid and dangerous to argue about which shadow is the 'white hat' and which shadow is the 'black hat', as we're entirely at the mercy of those pulling those strings behind us, who've trained us in what each shadow means.

All we can do is go with our gut instinct and follow that ... not what others tell us to think, or try to bully or intimidate us into thinking, or threaten to excommunicate us from the club for thinking. Instead, we can only put our trust in our own body's inbuilt intelligence and early warning system.

It took a while for me, at first, but now the bells, klaxons and sirens of my early warning system are going off big-time about this.

This isn't the revolution I've been waiting for.

[ThePythonicCow]

This isn't the revolution I've been waiting for.
yeah :).

[Maia Gabrial]

I'm a SOVEREIGN and damn proud of it! I haven't done anything criminal unless you call speaking out against the criminals in DC wrong.....Last time I looked, the Constitution guaranteed my free speech. The DC clowns have done away with the Constitution, but the rest of us haven't. So, we'll be going after then in due time....

Being SOVEREIGN is a GOD-given right which means you are a king or queen in your own right, answerable to no one but yourself.... That's what bothers the clowns....

[Unified Serenity]

Thanks for the post Paul, it's the same thing I have been seeing and it is in keeping with their pattern of behavior. I think we are going to be finding all kinds of difficulty in the not to distant future, and we will move rather happily into our new zoo. Well, most of us will, others just won't and well.....

[Rogerc]

The new age movement started four years ago?
It started in the seventies and this is just an extension. Trouble is you guys think in your egotism that nothing happened before you graced the planet with your presence

[aranuk]

Thanks for the post Paul, it's the same thing I have been seeing and it is in keeping with their pattern of behavior. I think we are going to be finding all kinds of difficulty in the not to distant future, and we will move rather happily into our new zoo. Well, most of us will, others just won't and well.....

Hi US you seem to be gaining nay sayers by the week. If you convince us all here, what will we renew our hopes upon? Negative thinking? Intellectual masterbation? Proving who has the best argument style? Subservience to the cabal oppression? In your first sentence above who are you referring to when you say it is in keeping with their pattern of behaviour? In your second sentence I would suggest that the difficulty you see is going to be greater if we don't start the clean up. Who is it you say is going to move happily into our new zoo? You and the nay sayers of the big clean up? You did say WE.
Who is the others that just wont?
IMHO I think if this big clean up was not to happen we are all ****ed. The only other possibility would be a rescue operation from hencewhere.

Stan

[YvonneG]

Thank you for NancyV. It makes more sense then anything I have heard yet, including what I wrote. I apologize to everyone, including Turiya, for I reacted majorly, because I have become tired of people find stuff on the internet and then just thinking it is true. And I also know very good people who personally know Teri and goodness now NancyV has come forward. Anyway, having a word fight does no one any good and surely drains my energy.

I notice that Turiya has not posted since I stopped challenging him or whatever it was I was doing.

Blessings
Yvonne



I'm just gonna dip my toe in here, but has anyone mentioned or realized that the Teri (Terri, Terry) Hinkle (Hinckle, etc.) that is being discussed here as a pyramid scheme artist may not be the one that is on the Drake shows? I have a rather unusual first name and surname and yet if I google it, turns out there are over 20 people in the US alone with the same name, most with the same middle name, also. That said, some of the information being posted here is wandering the line over into slander and the amount of digging and 'investigation' having been done is downright creepy.

THAT said (phew), I'm outta here.
I wasn't going to say anything since I don't often like to talk about people I know in public or discuss their personal lives, but yes, Teri Lynn Hinkle is the same one who spoke with Drake and was involved in the GMS company. I listened to the Drake interview and heard Teri. I have spoken with her multiple times over a period of a couple of years when we worked together. I can also tell you that although Teri and I do not agree in many areas and have had our run-ins in the past, I do not believe that she did anything criminal when she worked for the company that she and I both worked for. I do think there may be a further investigation and she may have problems or at least inconveniences because of the investigation since she was one of the top 4 people in the company. I was part of the staff and not in a managerial position. Of course there were a few thousand very unhappy people who collectively lost millions of dollars in this company. To this day I don't know for sure if it was fraudulent all along or if the CEO was telling the truth. I do know there were some blatant lies that I found out about later.

The fact that Teri may be involved in an investigation (which won't be in the past until the statute of limitations expires) should not invalidate her involvement with Drake. Obviously she believes in what she's doing. I don't personally believe that what Drake is predicting will come to pass although I am watching with interest. My opinion about these mass arrests, etc. is not an opinion with any knowledge to back it up so it's worthless to anyone else. I simply find it quite far fetched to think that they will be successful. If they are successful I'm also not sure I'll like what they want to replace the present system with, although it probably would be better... at least for a while until those with a bit of power find out they LIKE power and want more. It's human nature and why we're in the situation we're in now. But it would be exciting to see things change so radically so I wish them success in their endeavors.

Even though I personally do not get along with Teri and am not happy with some of her past actions and behaviors, I am still fair enough to say that she is an incredibly hard and dedicated worker and I'm sure she has volunteered a LOT of time and put in huge efforts to help further this cause.

I hope we can stop talking about Teri since I'm guessing her role in this Drake group is probably a relatively minor one such as a helper and organizer for the cause. She is a great organizer. I'm pretty sure she doesn't personally have any insider information other than what she hears from Drake and others as she had no insider contacts when I knew her, but a couple of years have passed and now she may know a lot. She became very passionate about the Restore America movement and Ted Turner's group a few years ago and started devoting most of her time to it when the GMS company failed. Now she's helping Drake's group and whether I like her or not, I'm sure she is a great asset for whatever group she is working for.

[aranuk]

I don't personally believe that what Drake is predicting will come to pass although I am watching with interest. My opinion about these mass arrests, etc. is not an opinion with any knowledge to back it up so it's worthless to anyone else. I simply find it quite far fetched to think that they will be successful.

My personal hunch, with even less knowledge to back it up than I figure you have :), is that we're being fed a story to help us "make sense" of some events that are or will be going down. It's a story, intended to calm those who will listen. It will continue to resemble parts of what is really going down, enough to distract us or to mislead us in directions useful to the bastards in power, but without revealing any critical insight or knowledge. The story will continue to "shape shift", as events unfold, and as those behind the scenes watch our reactions.

The real danger (for the bulk of us who are not special persons of interest) in the monitoring of the Internet is that it enables them to see, in detail, how such stories are reverberating through the online crowd, so they can continue to fine tune the story and the delivery. Like a farmer working a herd of cattle or a flock of sheep, the focus is usually on the group, and only on the individual animal when it gets too far out of line.

What's really going on, I fear, is we're being moved to a new barn.

I can see the dim outline, the shadows cast, of the changes happening on a world wide economic, monetary, energy, political and military scale.

What I can't see even dimly, and what might be critical to understanding what's going down, are two things: whether any major upcoming earth impacting celestial event is known by the bastards in power, and what role extraterrestrials may be playing in all this. Those are two potentially huge unknowns. I read with interest, but without conclusion, the comments on this forum of others who might have some awareness of these.

There are also larger underlying topics, my ignorance of which constrains my efforts on the more specific questions above, such as:
The scope of human, living and cosmological history, both earthly and galatic,
a clear understanding of physics and the spiritual, and
the layered, cyclic and/or fractal nature of reality (realities?).

(Oops - guess I am straying off the Drake and Teri topic here - sorry.)

Paul it comes down to this: Nobody on this forum knows what the **** is really happenning with regard to the big clean up operation that Drake speaks about. It is all about hope on our part unfortunately. I hope it succeeds and when it happens I hope we can manage to deal with all the problems we will face. You refer to this operation as a story You do not know it is a story. You say we are FED a story what makes you think that? Have you got "insider" information? I have. My insider information comes from my heart and my information tells me this is NOT a story it is real.
If you haven't got anything to give inspiration to the people here, please keep your negative thoughts to yourself. This is all starting in your country who are allowed to own guns for Christ sake. We in Britain have only cudgels to bear. If this clean up fails, we are all ****ed. The ET's will have to help us.

Stan

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul it comes down to this: Nobody on this forum knows what the **** is really happenning with regard to the big clean up operation that Drake speaks about. It is all about hope on our part unfortunately. I hope it succeeds and when it happens I hope we can manage to deal with all the problems we will face. You refer to this operation as a story You do not know it is a story. You say we are FED a story what makes you think that? Have you got "insider" information? I have. My insider information comes from my heart and my information tells me this is NOT a story it is real.

True - none of us on this forum know (so far as I know.)

I too hope it succeeds, -if- it is heading toward replacing the bastards in power with good honest folks working in our general best interest.

My insider information is no better than yours :).


If you haven't got anything to give inspiration to the people here, please keep your negative thoughts to yourself. This is all starting in your country who are allowed to own guns for Christ sake. We in Britain have only cudgels to bear. If this clean up fails, we are all ****ed. The ET's will have to help us.

No.

I'm about figuring things out, and doing what I can to provide a forum where others can figure things out, from their various evolving perspectives and contributing their various insights and knowledge.

Neither of us knows that all that needs to be figured out is postive. I will not censure, nor condone others censuring, what we share here with each other to "postive and inspirational only". That's just another variation of Political Correctness, so far as I can tell.

[foreverfan]

I found this on the web. I hope it helps.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/smokem/Stuph/bsmeter.gif

I'd love to believe it but at this point it's so hard. I've told quite a few people to look for something soon. I have no insider information. Only Sabrina posts anything remotely creditable.

Looks like we don't even have Hope anymore.

http://www.bobhope.com/graphics/radiolg.jpg

[Chester]

My mistakes and my apology
I am fairly new to the forum. Due to recent difficult personal experiences that relate to our collective current conditions (referring to the 99% which I am one of), instead of reading more and learning more, I jumped in too soon. I want change so bad that I felt I had to take a stand against Turiya as I thought Turiya’s comments were divisive and I believe we need to stand together as much as we possibly can. I also leaped to the conclusion that Turiya might be some “bad guy” intending to dampen enthusiasm from something I have emotionally invested in.
I always tell my kids to try their best to take the high road. In my comments aimed at Turiya, I did not. I apologize to Turiya and the rest in the Avalon Community. Unified Serenity made some good points that helped me see my mistakes so thank you, US
I wrote this comment before Post #50 from YvonneG and thought the timing was quite interesting…
And now in Post #51 Stan says how I feel – It’s about hope and no one likes their hopes dashed in something so darn important as this

[aranuk]

Drake has said repeatedly that afterwards the people will be able to decide who will represent them, most probably for the first time without TPTB insisting who they choose.

IT IS heading towards electing good folks and that will be the job for the people for the first time.

Stan

[modwiz]

I don't personally believe that what Drake is predicting will come to pass although I am watching with interest. My opinion about these mass arrests, etc. is not an opinion with any knowledge to back it up so it's worthless to anyone else. I simply find it quite far fetched to think that they will be successful.

My personal hunch, with even less knowledge to back it up than I figure you have :), is that we're being fed a story to help us "make sense" of some events that are or will be going down. It's a story, intended to calm those who will listen. It will continue to resemble parts of what is really going down, enough to distract us or to mislead us in directions useful to the bastards in power, but without revealing any critical insight or knowledge. The story will continue to "shape shift", as events unfold, and as those behind the scenes watch our reactions.

The real danger (for the bulk of us who are not special persons of interest) in the monitoring of the Internet is that it enables them to see, in detail, how such stories are reverberating through the online crowd, so they can continue to fine tune the story and the delivery. Like a farmer working a herd of cattle or a flock of sheep, the focus is usually on the group, and only on the individual animal when it gets too far out of line.

What's really going on, I fear, is we're being moved to a new barn.

I can see the dim outline, the shadows cast, of the changes happening on a world wide economic, monetary, energy, political and military scale.

What I can't see even dimly, and what might be critical to understanding what's going down, are two things: whether any major upcoming earth impacting celestial event is known by the bastards in power, and what role extraterrestrials may be playing in all this. Those are two potentially huge unknowns. I read with interest, but without conclusion, the comments on this forum of others who might have some awareness of these.

There are also larger underlying topics, my ignorance of which constrains my efforts on the more specific questions above, such as:
The scope of human, living and cosmological history, both earthly and galatic,
a clear understanding of physics and the spiritual, and
the layered, cyclic and/or fractal nature of reality (realities?).

(Oops - guess I am straying off the Drake and Teri topic here - sorry.)

Paul it comes down to this: Nobody on this forum knows what the **** is really happenning with regard to the big clean up operation that Drake speaks about. It is all about hope on our part unfortunately. I hope it succeeds and when it happens I hope we can manage to deal with all the problems we will face. You refer to this operation as a story You do not know it is a story. You say we are FED a story what makes you think that? Have you got "insider" information? I have. My insider information comes from my heart and my information tells me this is NOT a story it is real.
If you haven't got anything to give inspiration to the people here, please keep your negative thoughts to yourself. This is all starting in your country who are allowed to own guns for Christ sake. We in Britain have only cudgels to bear. If this clean up fails, we are all ****ed. The ET's will have to help us.

Stan

It's OK, Stan. One of the reasons the bastards are buying so much ammunition is because we are armed and they are sh!tting themselves. My guess is that ammo never gets to final delivery, if it even gets made. I can't be the only person in the USA who thinks both strategically and tactically. That's a lot of ammo to be sending out for delivery and it has to come from known places of production. All of the draconian decisions of late are the products of panicked minds. It is all thrashing.

Here is an excellent link to go to and read. It is a synopsis of the various factions, white/grey/black hats and their leaders. I found it a worthwhile read. Is it all correct? I don't know. History is for us to create/write, this is just the way the chessboard might be set up right now.
http://www.2012portal.blogspot.com/

A relevant snip:

"Positive Military. This is the most powerful positive group on the surface of the planet. They have developed the Plan for planetary liberation with unseen assistance from the Resistance Movement. Around three quarters of the military agrees with this plan and this is sufficient critical mass for this plan to become reality. Drake is their public representative.

Most of this group is not aware of the “unseen friendly hand” of the Resistance. Some of those in high positions are well aware of their Resistance contact but will not admit it as it is still classified information.

This is a loose group without a leader and their main motivation is to restore sovereignty and freedom to human population, especially in the US."

[Unified Serenity]

Drake has said repeatedly that afterwards the people will be able to decide who will represent them, most probably for the first time without TPTB insisting who they choose.

IT IS heading towards electing good folks and that will be the job for the people for the first time.

Stan

A. We have to get there

B. They have to keep their word

C. The people have to act civilized and from what I am reading in the news if this happens this year, there will be sheer pandemonium as much of the things that make society civil will not work and thus it will come down to morality. Have you read many moral stories lately? I'm very sure there are good people, but..... lots of others just don't seem to want to live in peace, nor do they know how to take care of themselves, thus panic, mayhem, pillage, and plunder comes to mind. I know... such a naysayer... I say truth seer.

[modwiz]

Drake has said repeatedly that afterwards the people will be able to decide who will represent them, most probably for the first time without TPTB insisting who they choose.

IT IS heading towards electing good folks and that will be the job for the people for the first time.

Stan

A. We have to get there

B. They have to keep their word

C. The people have to act civilized and from what I am reading in the news if this happens this year, there will be sheer pandemonium as much of the things that make society civil will not work and thus it will come down to morality. Have you read many moral stories lately? I'm very sure there are good people, but..... lots of others just don't seem to want to live in peace, nor do they know how to take care of themselves, thus panic, mayhem, pillage, and plunder comes to mind. I know... such a naysayer... I say truth seer.

C. That is our, the people's, territory. Will we be able to stop pandemonium? Probably not completely, but we should be able to have a huge impact in curtailing it. What we have in our favor are the many people we have shared our kooky conspiracy theories with. We kooks are a known quantity to many of our friends. They will seek our counsel and this then becomes a force multiplier for calm, or at least controlled underwear soiling.

By having more people somewhat informed than might be the case without all of this pre-knowledge, the chance for the majority to want calm will help produce it. Most cities will be hell-holes, but they are already, it is just not out in the open. They will be contained cauldrons and will find their own balance, their very concentrated natures will keep them from affecting the country at large. IMO. Again, this is our job. To prevent panic and have answers for those who need them for their sanity.

Having the guys with guns and badges bust into the hornets nest is phase one. Taking control of the airwaves is next and then calming the citizenry and preventing anarchy is the last part of the first part. After things settle, rebuilding begins. The psychic and working environments will have shifted profoundly allowing for a new way to do things and we better have some ideas.

The luxury of pessimism will no longer be an option. Reality will be in our face, so our opinions will not matter so much. Those who have a clue will act. We all have diverse talents and a triage method of applying them would probably be best.

[Hervé]

I can't help but keep coming back to the "Orion Model (http://kiwi6.com/file/f8s5019nne)" (at 00:25:30) and doing the dirty job for "them"...

That is, getting rid of the intermediate layers who have some inklings of some of the scenari:


[...]

I told him that their current plans were not good because the science was so faulty that even if you used multiple germs that those people had already received the vaccines on, that the number of people left alive were likely to overwhelm all defenses and overrun and kill the perpetrators.

“That means us, doesn’t it?” he asked.

Rice was shifting uncomfortably in her chair--apparently she knew that her family was not on that list.

I said, “Yes. And I don’t think that you can improve the research quality at the Labs without inspiring a culture of honesty in them first.”

[...]



Anything anyone learnt from Egypt or Lybia? Syria now?

[Ishtar]

I can't help but keep coming back to the "Orion Model (http://kiwi6.com/file/f8s5019nne)" (at 00:25:30) and doing the dirty job for "them"...

Anything anyone learnt from Egypt or Lybia? Syria now?

Yes, they lead from behind. They make it look like a grass roots uprising but it's supported from behind by a hotpotch of corporate vested interests of NATO countries hardware and Al Quaeda local knowledge and intelligence.

However, if they think they can lead us from behind, I think they've miscalculated and misunderstood the minds of the 'New Agers' because they don't understand what underpins our thinking. Most of us are involved in deep spiritual practices from which we realised, long long ago, that we are sovereign unto ourselves. We don't need a piece of paper from the Hague to tell ourselves that, and we also don't need a change of government to experience it.

If there is to be a real natural revolution from the grass roots upwards (and few, if any, are), I thnk the spiritual teachers amongst us need to be able to continue to teach that re-empowerment of the individual from the inside out, to help people find their own sovereignty. Instead, what Drake and Wilcock are proposing are 24 hour, wall-to-wall DVDs on the mainstream media, replacing the existing wall-to-wall DVDs on the mainstream media. This is so-called 'enlightenment' from the outside-in.... just more brainwashing in other words ... just another narrative to replace the old one which doesn't work anymore.

I count myself as one of those spiritual teachers, as I teach shamanic journeying here, where I live. But I won't be able to practice if there are riots, as we saw here last summer, by those who jump at the chance to take advantage of any perceived chink in the armour of the establishment. These people are not interested in the sovereignty of the individual. They are not interested in inner empowerment or self realisation. They are interested in getting the latest trainers.

Where most riots usually start with a political protest demonstration and end in looting, this one bypassed the political protest and went straight to the looting, and they burned down huge areas of their neighbourhoods in the process. It was mainly the small, local shopkeepers that suffered and many lost their shops altogether. The police lost control .. it was too big for anyone to get a grip on as it spread from city to city like wildfire through the use of mobile phones ... and innocent people were trampled on, and some died.

We are being manipulated to do this revolution for them... and apart from the fact that I don't like being manipulated, if I am to be manipulated, let it be by people who know what they're doing. These guys plainly don't know what they're doing. Trying to herd those who come under the loose umbrella term of "New Age" is like trying to herd cats. We're much more like cats than dogs. Where dogs have masters, cats have staff ~ so they say!. ;)

To conclude, it's my view that an undemocratic change of government (because let's not mince words, that's what is being proposed) will not help people to become more self-empowered from the inside out. It will not help them spiritually. It will not help the evolution of their soul.

There will just be an exchange of one set of DVDs for another set of DVDs, as we get 'moved to another barn'.

That's why I'm against it.

[turiya]

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/turiya_file/DAVID_W_DRAKE_vs_REPUBLIC.jpg
From: http://cgi.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=32991

[Unified Serenity]

I can't help but keep coming back to the "Orion Model (http://kiwi6.com/file/f8s5019nne)" (at 00:25:30) and doing the dirty job for "them"...

Anything anyone learnt from Egypt or Lybia? Syria now?

Yes, they lead from behind. They make it look like a grass roots uprising but it's supported from behind by a hotpotch of corporate vested interests of NATO countries hardware and Al Quaeda local knowledge and intelligence.

However, if they think they can lead us from behind, I think they've miscalculated and misunderstood the minds of the 'New Agers' because they don't understand what underpins our thinking. Most of us are involved in deep spiritual practices from which we realised, long long ago, that we are sovereign unto ourselves. We don't need a piece of paper from the Hague to tell ourselves that, and we also don't need a change of government to experience it.

If there is to be a real natural revolution from the grass roots upwards (and few, if any, are), I thnk the spiritual teachers amongst us need to be able to continue to teach that re-empowerment of the individual from the inside out, to help people find their own sovereignty. Instead, what Drake and Wilcock are proposing are 24 hour, wall-to-wall DVDs on the mainstream media, replacing the existing wall-to-wall DVDs on the mainstream media. This is so-called 'enlightenment' from the outside-in.... just more brainwashing in other words ... just another narrative to replace the old one which doesn't work anymore.

I count myself as one of those spiritual teachers, as I teach shamanic journeying here, where I live. But I won't be able to practice if there are riots, as we saw here last summer, by those who jump at the chance to take advantage of any perceived chink in the armour of the establishment. These people are not interested in the sovereignty of the individual. They are not interested in inner empowerment or self realisation. They are interested in getting the latest trainers.

Where most riots usually start with a political protest demonstration and end in looting, this one bypassed the political protest and went straight to the looting, and they burned down huge areas of their neighbourhoods in the process. It was mainly the small, local shopkeepers that suffered and many lost their shops altogether. The police lost control .. it was too big for anyone to get a grip on as it spread from city to city like wildfire through the use of mobile phones ... and innocent people were trampled on, and some died.

We are being manipulated to do this revolution for them... and apart from the fact that I don't like being manipulated, if I am to be manipulated, let it be by people who know what they're doing. These guys plainly don't know what they're doing. Trying to herd those who come under the loose umbrella term of "New Age" is like trying to herd cats. We're much more like cats than dogs. Where dogs have masters, cats have staff ~ so they say!. ;)

To conclude, it's my view that an undemocratic change of government (because let's not mince words, that's what is being proposed) will not help people to become more self-empowered from the inside out. It will not help them spiritually. It will not help the evolution of their soul.

There will just be an exchange of one set of DVDs for another set of DVDs, as we get 'moved to another barn'.

That's why I'm against it.

Damn Ishtar, we do agree on something! Your words said it very well, and I thank you for stating some simple truths about what has happened, and what is likely to happen. I also agree and do not like the idea of a new set of dvd's as you say. I read Starhawk's book many years ago that pretty much had this scenario of the country falling apart and a right wing christian group overthrew the government and controlled the country except for a small are that included San Fransisco. I can easily see a group of very extreme right wingers taking over in instituting purity and righteousness laws which trample on the idea of freedom, sovereignty, and independence.

[ViralSpiral]

We are being manipulated to do this revolution for them...



That.

Gun owners will be forced to draw first blood........
I will not die under the sword however, my weapon will not be pointed at my shadow-side, it will be used to pull people out of the quagmire of confusion.

Thank you for your post Ishtar

[turiya]

RuSA Update of April 19 2012 Part1. Tim Turner Comments on Wilcock/'Drake' Interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9Ipao9JmiQ

Excerpt of RuSA Update - Recordings can be found at: http://republicsg.info/

[aranuk]

RuSA Update of April 19 2012. Tim Turner Comments on Wilcock/'Drake' Interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9Ipao9JmiQ

Excerpt of RuSA Update - Recordings can be found at: http://republicsg.info/

Turiya TT didn't say anything on this video to contradict what Drake has been saying. They seem to me to have the same message. Why split hairs as you continue to do? Are you in favour of this big clean up project or not? As Modwiz has said already, there could possibly be some co-operation between the two groups. You obviously are of a mind that likes to divide and point out all the small details of differences. Where do you stand here?

Stan

[YvonneG]

Turiya, you are suspect not because of what you say but how you say. I even apologized in a former message, but instead you want to continue this putting more and more of the same stuff. Take care.

I am now officially putting you on ignore. I thought if you wanted a real human to human interaction here you would have responded to what I wrote which I really meant.

Be well
Yvonne

[Lost N Found]

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/turiya_file/DAVID_W_DRAKE_vs_REPUBLIC.jpg
From: http://cgi.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=32991

I have one question Turiya, has the Turner fellow ever given any proof of what he says? Has any of his meanderings ever come true, Has he provided any thing to the States, Counties or People of the Republic. Been my experience that no communication has happen from the National to the States and on down to the people.

Now this Turner person has started himself out on the seminar trail once again, teaching people of some illusionary way to claim your land back and to top that off, he is charging big big bucks to learn his way of doing this. Oh wait, there is no guarentee that this really works but you or I, if we are part of his Republic, have to pay alot of FRNs to get the process. This all reeks of the same paradigm that is in play today.

I would suggest that you look outside the box, just as we all should be doing wether it be Drake, teri or Turner. I have seen to many fall into the koolaid of one that is preaching the only way and using God to do it. So please stop trying to be part of the brainwashing of one person that professes to be from God. You may have trust and you may have faith but that comes from the heart and not the head.

[DreamsInDigital]

One huge issue I have with T-Turner, he has been having secret meetings with the very people we are trying to defeat, the Rothchilds or was it Rockefellers. So, what's to say he isn't working with them? Last I checked, during a war..you don't have secret meetings with your enemies. Infact, you don't meet with them at all. Plus he supports UN Agenda 21, which we all know the UN is behind just about every single problem that is going on right now that isn't tied into the Money or Religion Arms of the Octopus, the UN were the ones that built the 200 or so Concentration Camps everyone goes around screaming about to murder us in. So...It really from the evidence I've seen, seems pretty obvious T-Turner is an Cabal Stooge. Just connecting the dots.

[Lost N Found]

Ok as long as we are talking about Tim Turner, and this does have something to do with Drake and Teri Hinkle. here is a site where you can here folks talk about the wrong directions that the Republic for the United States is going. This may allow some more info for all to get a bigger picture.

republicfornevada.net/republicfornevada_blog/

This may give you all some more info of just what is happening within the organization called Republic for the United States and some of stuff that has caused folks to look at it a little different. I for one have stepped out of the box and hope others are at least looking and learning. My take on Drake and Teri has been one of researching, as Drake has stated, and finding my own way into this ascention of our consciousness. We all are going to have to find this by ourselves even if there is so much info out there to awaken us.

These comments are certainly interesting and awakening and I am glad all over that there are so many topics and so many folks that talk. Even Turiya has something to say although I hope for her or his sake that he/she does come to see that there is possible something wrong with one person saying that God sent them to lead us all into another defacto realm of government. If you want to trade one set of politics for another (SAME) then keep on believing. It really does not work.

I for one really want and with a heavy heart, would like to see this mess change for the better of human kind. We shall see what happens with what Drake is saying and as for Teri, she is just trying to help in that respect I believe. Keep your eyes wide open folks, you can see what is really happening, all of the rest of it is nothing more than illussion.



Love transcends all

[turiya]

RuSA Update of April 19 2012. Tim Turner Comments on Wilcock/'Drake' Interview.

Excerpt of RuSA Update - Recordings can be found at: http://republicsg.info/

Turiya TT didn't say anything on this video to contradict what Drake has been saying. They seem to me to have the same message. Why split hairs as you continue to do? Are you in favour of this big clean up project or not? As Modwiz has said already, there could possibly be some co-operation between the two groups. You obviously are of a mind that likes to divide and point out all the small details of differences. Where do you stand here?

Stan

This is the very reason for my posting this RuSA video update of April 19 2012. Tim Turner has said that he finally has heard the entire 3 hour Wilcock interview with Drake, and has heard the same information that Drake has come forward with in that video.
Hence, Drake and TT are on somewhat on the same page.

In other words, there is no reason for Drake & TT to not form a coalition. The fence that is dividing them, was a fence that was solely created by Teri Hinkle. There is no reason why Americans that support restoring the Republic for America cannot work together. The only reason why they are divided at all is because of Teri Hinkle.

If "Drake" is indeed being authentic, the only thing that needs to be done is for Drake to re-examine his relationship with Teri Hinkle.

Teri Hinkle's motive, as I have said all along here, is to create division amongst the patriots that want to restore a Republic form of government.

It can be reasoned that Teri Hinkle, in a way, is actually working for the de facto USG - to help prolong this control mechanism from falling on its face. If she was indeed working for a company that was into creating wall street related internet ponzi schemes, then that is a contradictory role, a role that is opposite to the role that she is playing on Freedomizer radio.

She just may be a very good scam artist. She was also know as (a.k.a.) Gemqueen with those within GMS. it was her username on several of the affiliated forums.

If there is an ongoing FBI investigation concerning fraud perpetrated by Global Marketing Solutions (GMS), and if there is evidence to show she was a player, then it may be likely she may have been corralled by one of the de facto agencies to go after, and to try to bring down RuSA/Tim Turner. On a previously posted message, I pointed out the fact (graphic) that this was the latest effort of the ADL/SPLC - to go after those that make up the Sovereignty Movement. Both these groups have been influencing FBI policy & law enforcement training programs for quite some time, now.

If Drake is authentic in what he is saying, then it should not be a problem for him to find out more about what the FBI has in their files regarding Teri Hinkle. All it would take would be for him to request that information. Its up to Drake whether he wants to go there from here.

Here is the Rusa/Tim Turner Update of April 19 2012 Part2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn_rGNkR61I&feature=youtu.be
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[aranuk]

I see now where you are coming from. Now instead of belabouring your point here, why do you not email Drake and ask him to do what you said about Teri. Surely with Drake's contacts in the military, they would have checked her out. I mean to say, do you honestly think that all these high ranking military personel would risk the Liberation of the American people and not make sure there weren't any spies close to Drake? CIA people Drake knows? C'mon? It is unthinkable that these military and CIA white hats are that stupid. I don't think it for a minute.

Stan

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I wonder if Drake reads this forum at all?

Stan

[Lost N Found]

Ok, so we know that you really have a hate for Teri Hinkle. You have stated in other comments that her voice turns your stomach. Now I will tell you that you are not the only one that has this hate. I have talked with other follower's of Tim Turner and they have the same hate just because of her voice. These folks seem to be drinking the same koolaid you are from the Turner group. They do not know anything about this person but what they are told from higher up. This appears to be nothing more than what the existing MSM and Political parties do to whomever they HATE, because someone does not go along with their ideology. Believe me, I have first hand knowledge of this HATE. The Fear is rampant in this organization and is all you get from the members. I take it you are a member of the RuSA group and have been conditioned to believe in the HATE and FEAR. I am sorry for you. Now the one thing that has turned me away is the fact that these people all say that America was created as a Christ based Nation and of course they all believe that if they prey and conduct their business in Christ's name that everything will be alright. Didn't the same thing happen with the revernd Jim and all had to drink the koolaid?

You continue to post stuff about RUSA and Tim Turner, Your God,but you do not show other opinions or what is really happening. I know that Turner was not part of the original RAP movement and when brought in, proceeded to steel the ideas from the original folks then, just like the defacto, slowly corrupted the entire Idea. Now it is being said that Turner may join or has the same ideas as Drake. Well If he corrupted the first movement, I would say to Drake, Be very careful with this fellow because he is a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Just a little background, Turners stuff has never worked and now folks are saying that they have to change his documents because none of did a damn thing for them. You might want to investigate that. Oh yeh, These are "living documents" by the way and can change when ever any one wants them to. Does this make any common sense to you? Here is something else you may want to research, all of these roads you continue to walk or run down lead you to court and someone else has stated, ?everything is commercial? Do you honestly think that by playing the games that Turner has will get you remedy? I believe that as long as you continue to play the defacto game you are never going to get anywhere because it is their rules and game and you will never win anything.

Question, How many states have been rolled over by Turner? How many folks have had unconstitutional games played on them by the Turner Groupe? Do you follow any of this or are you so full of HATE for Teri Hinkle that you can/t see? How much of you FRN/s are you continuing to donate to Turner, have you ever thought about that? Where are the documents that were supposadly signed in UTAH, Where are the documents that supposadly went to HAGUE that Turner said were going? Why did Turner get on his little conference calls and accuse folks of being seditious and Treasonous and who the hell is he to state those comments? Who voted him into to be the President of another defacto under the scenes government? These are just some questions to ask yourself so maybe you will stop Hating and do some real research about what is going on around you.

That being all said, I trully hope you will do some honest research and post on this site more sides than just one that you have been duped into believing. Please do, I would dearly love to see your research and some truth.



Love transcends all

[turiya]

I see now where you are coming from. Now instead of belabouring your point here, why do you not email Drake and ask him to do what you said about Teri. Surely with Drake's contacts in the military, they would have checked her out. I mean to say, do you honestly think that all these high ranking military personel would risk the Liberation of the American people and not make sure there weren't any spies close to Drake? CIA people Drake knows? C'mon? It is unthinkable that these military and CIA white hats are that stupid. I don't think it for a minute.

Stan

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I wonder if Drake reads this forum at all?

Stan


Yes, aranuk, I think that many of the de facto USG agencies are so fragmented, so compartmentalized, are so into their own agendas that often times they are not aware of what all the other appendages are doing. The head of the beast is too over-bloated. The tentacles are too many. Information sharing has not been high on any particular agency's list of things to prioritize. It has been said many times - sharing of info amongst the various agencies is on a 'need to know' basis only. If there is no one to ask from a 'need to know' basis, then information is going to be dropping out of the woodwork.

We got the de facto USG. Entities such as SPLC & ADL are part of this de facto corporate government. And now we are becoming more aware that there are those that have positions within the de facto that can be called white hats. Do you really think that they are going to work together? Do you think they are willing to even expose themselves as to what side they are on to whomever? The de facto is so much into secrecy that you got to personally know an insider buddy that will work a favor for you. Ha! If anything, there is going to be a civil war on many different levels of government when this really gets rolling.

Yes, "The level of incompetence is extraordinary."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkUXdAkTC0g

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[ThePythonicCow]

Could we back off a bit from the maligning of some subset or other of Wilcock, Drake, Teri and/or Tim Turner?

Such incessant and energized attacks on one or more of these is dragging down this forum, and fueling antagonism between members.

I really doubt it is helping any of us become more understanding of the 3D world, or more aware of higher levels. Quite the contrary, actually.

[turiya]

BEWARE THE CLAIMS OF “DRAKE” AND FULFORD

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/turiya_file/Joel_Skousen_s_Article.jpg
From: http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/

From the description of the video below:
Many are not going to want to accept this but based on what we are not seeing (but which was promised) and Joel Skousen's remarks it would appear the "Insider" Drake is a fraud.

Drake is now saying the "mass" arrests will take place one by one (in other words they are no longer "mass"). In this clip (and the link below) Drake talks about people in the "movement" being killed including children of those involved in breaking the cabal stranglehold (hear it for yourself in the clip). But some how Drake as the "spokesperson" can remain anonymous / incognito to the cabal? He can do radio interviews and updates on "secret" stuff that hasn't materialized (much like Fulford) while, by his own admission (this clip), others in the "movement" have had their children murdered? It makes absolutely no sense. Listen here - this clip is dated 4/15/2012 (In5d's channel): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI5QfGiITPo&feature=uploademail

And to top it off author Joel Skousen (Strategic Relocation), a person knee deep and very knowledgeable in the truth and freedom movement was interviewed on Alex Jones' Nightly News show on 4/19/2012 and comments on Drake (unsolicited). It's a brief mention by Skousen but not so quick that the listener does not clearly understand what Joel is saying; which is - Drake's cavalry premise is completely bogus. Interestingly enough I listened to the Skousen clip **after** listening to the 4/15 Drake clip where he talks about **unconfirmed** information needing to be confirmed - yet he still talks about it - a classic disinformation tactic (knowing people will run with it). He should not be speaking to the public until all of his information is vetted and confirmed otherwise it's just story telling.

Skousan's comment about Drake is a little after the 9 minute marker. I left the first chunk of the interview in so you can get Skousen's comment within the context of the overall discussion- so listen from the beginning. After the Skousen interview I included the 4/15 Drake clip (same as the link above).



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RAIh02uRas

I know this is **not** what everyone wants to hear but the Drake/Fulford stuff is getting stranger and less credible with each passing day because nothing they say materializes. Nothing at least to the magnitude of what they are proclaiming will happen (or should have happened already - especially Fulford who has been around a lot longer). For example, Fulford told everyone the cabal had until 3/31 and then it was over... nothing happened. He claimed Bill Gates was "arrested"... Bill Gates is still doing what he always does - de-population (eugenic) work in full public view. Drake promised big stuff the week of 4/16... nothing. Now he's back tracking and saying the mass arrests will be one by one.

It's time to put these guys behind us and focus on making the change by continuing to raise awareness and through grass roots activism. There is no magical cavalry coming. I hope I'm proven wrong but it is appearing very possible that Drake (and Fulford) are nothing more than disinformation artists and distractions.

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[Chester]

Instead, what Drake and Wilcock are proposing are 24 hour, wall-to-wall DVDs on the mainstream media, replacing the existing wall-to-wall DVDs on the mainstream media. This is so-called 'enlightenment' from the outside-in.... just more brainwashing in other words ... just another narrative to replace the old one which doesn't work anymore.

I am not so sure I agree. Through the media we have been given a "movie" we believe is real but has been lies. This has happened hand in hand with and been psychologically supported by our education system. When I figured that out, I searched far and wide for several years getting up to speed. If we are told the truth (at least a far more accurate version of the truth) via a series of televised productions when the Plan goes down, that would save a massive amount of time for a massive amount of people who via knee jerk will be glued to the TV.

An individual's spiritual awakening will be greatly accelerated which will allow the lifted individual a far better chance of discerning for themselves what has been happening, what just happened now (when the Plan happens) and then, therefore what may be in store and what positive roll can they play in the new paradigm.

I am solid in my spirituality today and a big reason why is because I have awakened from ALL areas into which the movie put me asleep, but it took me several years to get the multi levels of truth.

I am all for a crash course that gets an individual from A to X... then they can figure out the Y and the Z for themselves and feel confident they are on the right track. Truth resonates within. Its much easier to get most folks on board when truth is the foundation of their catalytic information.



I count myself as one of those spiritual teachers, as I teach shamanic journeying here, where I live. But I won't be able to practice if there are riots, as we saw here last summer, by those who jump at the chance to take advantage of any perceived chink in the armour of the establishment. These people are not interested in the sovereignty of the individual. They are not interested in inner empowerment or self realisation. They are interested in getting the latest trainers.

After they get a clue as to our true history - they are going to want some help, including and maybe PRIMARILY spiritual help. Be there for them, Ishtar

[Unified Serenity]

Thanks for the Skousen information which I have been raising similar concerns as dates change and such. Maybe they are just well meaning patriots for humanity or maybe the are counter intelligence because once they are fully confirmed as lunatics by the massive amounts of false stories and reports of imminent rescue by this group or that group and god forbid Aliens coming to help us, then anything that they say even if it is true will be blown aside as more lunacy, and anyone who is linked to them will be useless in getting truth out to the unwashed masses of sleeping people trying to wake up.

Some say what is the harm of being positive and pushing this information. The harm is when you really have something to share no one will listen to you. Have you ever heard the story about the boy who cried wolf? Well, this is co-intel favorite method of screwing the people from getting truth.

[Ishtar]

After they get a clue as to our true history - they are going to want some help, including and maybe PRIMARILY spiritual help. Be there for them, Ishtar

I am always there to help people become self-empowered .... but I do it by introducing them to their own set of 'inner DVDs', so that they can become empowered by their own individual story and not one blanket homogenous one that is put out to control people by whoever happens to be in power at the time.

You say 'after they get a clue to our true history' but whose true history is that going be? David Wilcock's? Zechariah Stitchin's? David Icke's? L Ron Hubbard's? I mention all these names because their 'true history' would be about 'gods on rockets' who came from other parts of our universe to create a slave race of man, in their own image. Is this the 'true history' we want people to be told... that they are slaves made in the image of Enki and Enlil? It's hardly empowering.

Now they say that the 'gods on rockets' are coming again... but this time they're the good guys! Puhleeeese! :rolleyes:

David Wilcox, the other day, used an alarmist tactic by saying that the Illuminati was going to "make everyone worship Lucifer". I don’t know if these guys worship Lucifer or not, but for our purposes here, it doesn’t matter: Because just because that cabal of selfish evil people worships Lucifer, it does not make Lucifer evil any more than that cabal of selfish evil people in the Vatican worshipping Jesus makes Jesus evil. (I've written an article about Lucifer (http://ishtarsgate.wordpress.com/2012/04/15/rehabilitating-lucifer/) here.)

I think that if the likes of the Illuminati are really in touch with the Divine Lightbringer (doubtful!), the communion with such purity and humility will only do them good. But David Wilcock has the typical Ascensionists quasi-Christian view that "Up is Good" and "Light is Better Than Dark" and "Down is Bad" and "Anything With Horns is the Devil". So is this where we're being led, back to the Dark Ages of intolerance for those who practice pre-Christian mystical systems?

Once you're introduced to your own 'inner set of DVDs', (by which I mean, meet with your own spirit guides that exist in other dimensions that are found by going within yourself) you no longer have any need for anyone to tell you who you are and where you've come from, or to join a club of people who all believe they've come from the same place and are going to the same destination, which is what religions are.

In a religion, you are told what to believe by the one person at the the top who claims to have a direct line to God or the gods (spirits). But you can talk to the gods (spirits) yourself. You don't need a middle man. And once you can talk to the gods (spirits) yourself, you become totally self-empowered.

I've been teaching people how to journey within to meet their spirit guides for many years, and one thing I've noticed is that when they ask the really important questions of their spirits like ...

Who am I?
Where have I come from?
Why am I here on Earth?

...they are all shown a completely different backstory. I have never had two people with the same backstory. They all have different types of ancestral spirits who come from a different places .... but NOT different places in this dimension, galaxy or universe. The spirits are not extra terrestrial but inter dimensional... and so are we, and that's the point. If we want our true back story, it won't come from 'gods on rockets' from the Pleiades or Sirius, which are in this dimension. We need to get beyond this dimension, because we are in essence multi-dimensional spirits having a human experience within infinite Space.

Shamanic work is self-empowering because it's transformative. Going into another dimension is a self-transformative experience. Going off-planet or being a contactee isn't necessarily a self-transformative experience in the same way because you're still in this dimension. So you may have had gone to Mars through a jump room, and it may have been an interesting experience. But when you come back, you've still got all the same hangs-ups and baseless worries and fears as you did when you left. You can go to the furthest ends of this universe but you'd still be in this dimension wondering who you are and where you'll go when you 'die'.

We find that going back into history, hundreds of thousands of years ago, our earliest ancestors were in touch with these interdimensional spirits, who gave them the same guidance that the shaman receives today. Christianity stamped out that practice by telling us that the spirits were evil. The horns by the way, that you see on statues of horned spirits (known as 'the gods') were considered in ancient times to be a sign of wisdom ~ not the Satanic.

This is Michelangelo's statue of Moses

http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=278&d=1334857283

So I've just read this back and I guess it does seem a bit like the ravings of a bag lady shouting at the traffic, and I hope you can make some sense of it. :o:

The bottom line is self-empowerment by working with one's own spirits rather than being disempowered by having to take on a group homogenous backstory prepared for us on DVDs by the powers-that-be...whoever that new ptb turns out to be.

I think that force-feeding everyone with Wilcock's backstory will create religious intolerance which will eventually leads to more bloodshed, and we'll be back where we started.



Damn Ishtar, we do agree on something!

Gosh!! How did that happen!! :eek: :happy:

[turiya]

jsnip4 of REALIST NEWS Agrees. He calls it Hope-ium, for those that need a fix of "Feel Good News".
P.S. (to the above post)

From April 2 2012:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqwOX2Kp_N0&feature=related


Thanks for the Skousen information which I have been raising similar concerns as dates change and such. Maybe they are just well meaning patriots for humanity or maybe the are counter intelligence because once they are fully confirmed as lunatics by the massive amounts of false stories and reports of imminent rescue by this group or that group and god forbid Aliens coming to help us, then anything that they say even if it is true will be blown aside as more lunacy, and anyone who is linked to them will be useless in getting truth out to the unwashed masses of sleeping people trying to wake up.

Some say what is the harm of being positive and pushing this information. The harm is when you really have something to share no one will listen to you. Have you ever heard the story about the boy who cried wolf? Well, this is co-intel favorite method of screwing the people from getting truth.

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[YvonneG]

Comments by people will not point to the reality. I was involved in RUSA from the beginning. I heard lies for almost 2 years...
No one voted for Tim and even worst NO ONE VOTED FOR VICE PRESIDENT WRIGHT, WHO WAS APPOINTED BY TIM.

There are actually records of actual calls and actual things that happened. Not Tim's comments, Turiya'comments etc. Kind of stuff which actually happened. You can go to freedomreigns.us and teri's blog has the documentation. Forget TEri...this ain't about Teri. Forget hearsay, this ain't about hearsay. I didn't want to leave this thread, since I was one of the main players, without trying to point people to FACTS.

Here is what someone posted on one of the militia sites regarding Tim. I assure you these folks have done their due-dilegence beyond anything I could do. So I use this man's words to end my last post here. And in terms of control, you all have no idea. I lived it here in Fl. People that I voted for here in Florida were removed because they were asking too many questions. Tell me something, how would you like it if the representative you voted in to your state was removed because they disagreed with the Pres? THESE ARE FACTS MY FRIENDS. I KNOW THEM FIRST HAND.

Tim et al are Christian Extremists. Should you all want to continue a real "investigation" then check out the documentation which inlcudes audios of many things, including a meeting of the Republic Security council trying to figure out how they would accept or reject people as citizens...what to do with Buddhists, Moslems, Atheist any non-Christian at all and there flavor of Christianity. I have a good Christian friend who freaked out when he was on several of the calls. Wasn't sure if he was in Church or what.

Anyway here is the respond by this minuteman to a women pitching TT like Turiya is.

President Tim Turner????? I dont ever recall Mr Turner being voted on by the people!! If that isnt enough to have something against this egotisticle maniac that appoints himself as a president then you Geraldine are the kook!! If Mr. Turner thinks for one second i will honor him in any way,,,,, he clearly has lost his mind and will have created a great enemy out of me!!

MR Turner is nothing more than an idiot that will be a worse tyrannt than we already have!! He has one thing on his mind,,, being a WAR LORD and that is it!! We do not support Mr Turner here in this site and if that offends you then please feel free to leave this site!! If we see you advertize this Turner idiot in this site we will delete it and then deal with you!! Your in my house here,,not Mr Turners!! Please feel free to send Mr. Turner my regaurds

And I have personally expeirenced the lies from week to week. Why did not pay attention? Because I had a friend in Fl and I "trusted" him. So I drank the kool-aid. They have people sign documents with finger prints where we swear to honor the constitution...yep and the bible!

For me, I wish I had posted this to start, but I was too reactive, and I have admitted this.

I won't engage in a conversation about this with anyone any more. The facts are on TEri's blog. THe facts are in what have shared. If this is not enough for people who keep interacting here, then that is fine. It is your choice and it is my choice to not interact here anymore.

I have spoken to many around the country as well in my state. I assure you I could write volumes about this, but then I am truly not trying to convince any one of anything. I didn't want to come back on this thread, but I couldn't stop thinking about this, that I had to at least make this one post.

Best to everyone,
Yvonne:wizard:

[YvonneG]

This is a response from Drake which pretty much covers alot. I just found it after posting the above. So I guess I lied...this is my last post:

Here is Drake's response on the wram forum:

Permalink Reply by Drake 54 seconds ago

I do NOT entertain Communists nor do I support the Communist organizations such as the UN.
I do NOT offer validity for Turner because he works for our enemies.
Therefore, no debate, no contact, and I hope he does not come into range...he will be shot on sight by me.
The organization is a TRAP offered to get as many patriots as possible to identify themselves. Further, everything offered is not quite complete, thus ALL of the participants have given witness of TREASON and SEDITION by their paperwork.
Our Military will have nothing to do with Turner as he intends to offer up our country to the United Nations.
Because Turner never accomplishes what he says he will, most of the people who were involved are leaving...tired of excuses.
Our group accomplished the whole thing, a majority of states, notification process, and are now moving into the second mission of localization...
Too bad there are still cool-aid drinkers like yourself who can't see reality.
>Restructuring our government and cleaning up the mess is going to be a very large job.
I have been asked by one of the principles to request ALL CPA's to help us in this, they will be called when needed.
>There are several directions that can be taken is the new structure. Our basic 'rights' are to be protected, thus freedom of religion is basic.
We The People must decide to allow all forms of belief systems that are not adverse to our way of life and freedom...no control is allowed, as God says, believe or not as you so chose. This IS FREEDOM.
>No one may 'assume' any office nor offer a new government that is NOT open to voting approval of We The People.
There will be a few 'appointed' office holders. These will be 'temporary' and are designed to keep the government from crashing and causing chaos were it to do so.
>The finance system is to be zeroed out, or crashed. This causes those using financial power to lose all power and will flush out many unknowns who are involved.
The 'financial system' will be revalued by world accounts and private accounts.
>All this is stipulated in the basic plan I have been offering.

This is only the second reply to any Turnerite or Turner group.
It is my last one.

[Unified Serenity]

Ishtar do you realize that your anti-Christian comments sound very intolerant?


So is this where we're being led, back to the Dark Ages of intolerance for those who practice pre-Christian mystical systems?

I respect your right to believe that way, but it does smack of Christian bashing. You cannot prove anything you believe anymore than I can prove the things I believe except by using historical documents and stories.

I have very good reason to believe the things I do based on my own personal experiences just as I am sure you feel the same about your beliefs. I think DW is trying to share truth as he understands it. I don't think that makes him a lunatic, just not very popular with some.

[Ishtar]

Hi United Serenity,

History does show very clearly that the Christian religion is responsible for killing probably hundreds of thousands of people who didn't want to toe the line of the Church. This went on for over thousands of years, since the 4th century AD and the rule of Constantine. Christian armies set fire to the Mystery Groves, where this inner spiritual work was taught, and torched the Library of Alexandria, where all the knowledge and wisdom was housed. Gnostics (who were the Christian mystics) were routed and killed by the thousands. Take the Cathars for example... and the Spanish Inquisition. This is all well documented.

It took us back into the Dark Ages because all the wisdom was lost. It's clear to see in the sacred texts like the Vedas and the Babylonian tablets that the ancients knew that the Earth was round and also that it went round the sun. But through the destruction of the wisdom texts, the priesthood lost touch with that knowledge, and Copernicus was considered a heretic when he reported his observation. Only the Arabs managed to preserve some of it and then brought it into Europe with them in later medieval times.

So to me, those were the Dark Ages, the times of great ignorance when mystic practices like shamanism were driven underground.

I didn't say, and neither do I think, that David Wilcock is a lunatic. He just has different beliefs to me, which would be fine if it weren't for the fact that, as I understand it, his beliefs are going to be on DVDs replacing the existing DVDs that will be telling us what to think. That's when it becomes a problem...

My main point was that I believe that people should be encouraged through spiritual work to find their own truth and backstory rather than having one imposed upon them.

[Khaleesi]

Ishtar please name one religion that has not killed in the name of their religious beliefs. Let's see ... Islam .. oops can't use that one ... Buddhism ... nope can't use that one either. Singling out Christianity is just a red herring.

[Ishtar]

Khaleesi,

Unified Serenity asked why I described the centuries of this millennium in the West as 'dark'. I explained that it was a time of ignorance, and also how that ignorance came about.... through the militancy of the Christian religion at that time.

My whole point has been, throughout all these posts in this thread, to explain how I believe that that all religious thinking (aka telling others what to believe) causes bloodshed and wars.

That's why I advocate encouraging people to find their own truth within themselves, through spiritual practises where they're not told what to believe through DVDs or any other media, but to discover by looking inwards, not outwards. I'm hoping that David Wilcock is not trying to start his own religion through all this.

[Khaleesi]

Khaleesi,

Unified Serenity asked why I described the centuries of this millennium in the West as 'dark'. I explained that it was a time of ignorance, and also how that ignorance came about.... through the militancy of the Christian religion at that time.

My whole point has been, throughout all these posts in this thread, to explain how I believe that that all religious thinking (aka telling others what to believe) causes bloodshed and wars.

That's why I advocate encouraging people to find their own truth within themselves, through spiritual practises where they're not told what to believe through DVDs or any other media, but to discover by looking inwards, not outwards. I'm hoping that David Wilcock is not trying to start his own religion through all this, which, if he is, will be Ascensionist in nature and thus very like Christianity in its dualism.

I agree that people should be encouraged to find their own truth within themselves. My problem is the continual pointing to one religion, namely Christianity, as problematic. IMO all religions are used to control people. This constant pointing to Christianity shows an apparent bias imo. I would prefer a more balanced view.

Khaleesi

[Ishtar]

It was Christianity, more than any religion and at any other time during the past few thousand years, that suppressed the mystical and the shamanic practices of the West. It was carried out deliberately as a control mechanism. In the East, under Buddhism, Hinduism and Shintoism, spirituality was able to remain alive and relevant to a much larger extent.

I think it's important to be able to talk about these things without it being inferred that it is a reflection on those who practise Christianity today, or that the person saying it has a bias against Christians.

In my view, if we can't discuss the role of Christianity in the history of the West, we're going to be suffocated by the same political correctedness that caused the Dark Ages of early medieval times.

[Unified Serenity]

I find just as much preaching by the "New Age" people with their rules of how to be a good human just as alarming for as I have said in the past, those demanding tolerance are often to most intolerant when it comes to those who disagree with them. I also believe what you call Christianity I call name changing by a Roman Pagan leader who found a way to subvert the other pagans he wanted to control and just grabbed onto the name Christianity. In 326 A.D. at the Nicean council they codified what it was to be a Christian and it has little to do with what Yeshua taught. They incorporated every pagan symbol they could, named pagan Goddess Saints and used such to graft in every group possible and when enough power was gained they outright killed those who would not go along.

I do believe the Pagans throughout history have loved blood sacrifice, and I think of the Druid Burning Man which they used criminals and others to satisfy the God's and ensure a good harvest and peace. Power leads to corruption no matter the banner it is under. The Ottoman's, the Roman's, the Inca, Aztecs, Mayans, Indian tribes all killed their "enemies" and justified it in their own ways which often had something to do with satisfying the "gods". The Climate nazi minded folks just called for the burning down of the homes of those who do not support man made global warming. Yes, those who love to sit in the seats of honor do appear to have changed little in thousands of years. They are hypocrites and liars and show their true colors when given enough power.

[Ishtar]

Yes, I agree with much of that.

As Jesus was supposed to have said: "The Kingdom of Heaven is within"... not out or up.

I agree with that too!:yes2:

[aranuk]

This thread has now transformed into a christian/anti Christian debate.

Stan

[Ishtar]

This thread has now transformed into a christian/anti Christian debate.

Stan

I'm sorry ... that wasn't my intention.

I'm not anti-Christians by the way. Some of my best friends ...an' all that!

We just strayed into discussing the role of Christianity in the suppression of the mystic (aka shamanic) wisdom in the West.

Anyway, let's get back to where we were.

:focus:

[turiya]

Yes, Yvonne, I have listened/watched a youtube found on the Nevada site. I would tend to agree with you.
The thing is that Life is a process, there is no playbook, no road map, no 'Re-Set the America Republic 101' course that one can take. This whole thing is work in process, it involves evolution in consciousness.

History
You can take it back as far as you want. If the people that left England really wanted to break clean from that oppressive English monarchy government, then they should have left their religious beliefs & conditionings behind them as well - to really make a clean break. Personally, I don't subscribe to any "established religion". Religiousness is a private and personal affair. There is no mass transit express that one can take to get to heaven, to reach to god. All the major religions were established after certain enlightened masters/teachers, that these so-called "established" religions arose from, after they had long left their human bodies. When these people were alive in their bodies and spoke their words, that's when religion was alive. After they are gone, no longer in their bodies, and their words become scripture, then that is when an "established" religion is born. And that birth is a 'still' birth. It is a dead religion. It comes after the enlightened man or woman has come & gone.

Common Law
Starting out fresh with a clean slate would have been better. This is because English common law basics have come out of the Roman Canons, this too is what has laid the foundation of common law within the American society.
The religious right have always been the ones that seemingly were leading the charge when it comes to the issue of sovereignty. Its because they had found that Common law is connected very much with what is written in the Bible. And a lot of editing has gone on with that book (which is another whole story within & of itself).

It goes back to the basics of the Montana Freeman movement, those that were involved in doing battle with the IRS, and the stolen farms & later labeled 'tax protestors' in their attempts to find remedy from the already corrupt court system.

So I am at least willing to give some credit to those that have hung in there to fight the fight, many are still in prison for going up against the massive beast.

Ignorance & incompetence
As I explained previously, the reason for me backing away from attending assembly meetings with RuSA was because of the "Born-Again" Christians appeared to me to be using the restore American Republic as a platform to launch their fundamentalist Christian ideology. I Had to sign a couple forms before I could attend the first meeting. After doing so, the very first thing that was said by the coordinator upon opening that meeting was "This is a Christian organization!"

My response echoed within me. "Say what?!?!" To me, this was not the pronouncement that I was expecting to hear. I mostly observed that first meeting with skepticism. On my second meeting, there was another newbie there that asked a question during a presentation was being given by the coordinator. His question was: "What do we do with all these atheist Muslims? They should be sent back to where they came from."

With this I had to open up my mouth to contest this ignorant statement. And said that I thought his statement was out of line. I told him, and the rest of the assembly, that this organization has to be 'inclusive', not 'exclusive'. And I pointed out the fact that "I have not anywhere found that Thomas Jefferson had ever admitted he was a Christian. I understand that he recognized a higher authority, and that should be enough for anyone."

With that said, I had heard one man behind me say "yeah!". But for the rest of the 200+ people that were present, I felt that a shock wave just went through the membership. After that the coordinator stopped recognizing my raised hand in asking questions. I knew then, that this assembly needed more time to evolve before I would be back there in attendance.

Although I do not attend meetings, I do support the people that are trying to correct the course of this nation. I have not yet found anything said by "Drake" or Teri Hinkle that lays out what is being done on a practical level. The only thing he has laid out is that he will shoot Tim Turner on sight - yeah, "Drake" is the type of man will lead people to a prison cell. With that remark, he is nothing more than an order taking grunt, and best to keep a distance away from this guy, imo.

There are RuSA recordings that are available for anyone to listen to, and get a feel for the subject matter that is being discussed. Here is an excerpt from the most recent meeting where it can be heard that they are discussions going on to prepare for the time when it comes that the de facto literally falls on face.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z5k2ykU59Q&feature=youtu.be

The thing is that people are continuously changing at all times. No one comes into this Life knowing it all. Everyone is here to learn. Mistakes will undoubtedly be made. Life is a process. I think we all know in our heart of hearts what is best. Communication is often attempted, and miscommunication will be more than likely the outcome.

Ucadia
You may want to check out what Frank O'Collins has created. It is called Ucadia. It is a society model based on conscious awareness. It is a model that is completely inclusive, to all religions, to all races, all cultures, to all philosophies. Frank knows the history of the Roman Catholic Church (& Jesuits as well), and how deeply related the Roman Canons are to Common Law. He has challenged the authority of the Roman Catholic Church, along with the Order of Jesuits, which he says sits on top of the pyramid, above the Vatican (yeah, I know this is a controversial subject).

Acting through Ucadia, Frank has challenged the authority of these entities, and others, by sending lawful Notices of Dishonor and challenging their claims of having sacred positions of Trust over the people & property of this planet. So far, the results are in. All entities that have received the paperwork have put themselves in dishonor by not responding back. The only entity that has responded back were the Order of Jesuits. The final day to respond to the Notices was December 20 2011. The first day of default judgment, then, began on December 21, 2011.
We are presently in the Year of Final Judgment, and, of course, the final Day of Judgement coincides with the date of December 21, 2012. He is using their own law against them. The Book of Revelations contains the terms of their contract, and it only pertains to the Church, not to us little people as has been taught to us by the Church. Huge disinfo on this to say the least.

I get a feeling that the Ucadia model, by far, has a greater possibility to bring people together on the issue of sovereignty on a planetary scale than a movement that is based on a one religion Christian ideology based platform that claims to be open to all other religions. From the onset the foundation is based upon a false notion that Christianity lay at the center of the Universe.

Just rambling, turiya -*-

[aranuk]

Turiya I agree with everything you say here. I have the PDF of Frank O'Collins. A great read when you have the time.

Stan

[turiya]

Turiya I agree with everything you say here. I have the PDF of Frank O'Collins. A great read when you have the time.

Stan

Yes, alot there to read, I have come & gone from his website(s) many many times. I am still a member. By the way, anyone remember Regan Reedy? This is where Regan has gone, as I heard him on a private conference call with Frank about two years ago. They were talking about going after the Vatican's gold as part of where the funding would come to launch Ucadia sufficiently enough. They also got their own principals to back this.

Yeah, I agree. Got to get back to Ucadia. It makes so much more sense than what can be seen with either side of the present Turner/Drake Sovereignty Movement efforts, as what is indicated thus far.

Cheers. -*-

[Kimberley]

The only thing that needs to be done is for Drake to re-examine his relationship with Teri Hinkle.

Teri Hinkle's motive, as I have said all along here, is to create division amongst the patriots that want to restore a Republic form of government.

It can be reasoned that Teri Hinkle, in a way, is actually working for the de facto USG - to help prolong this control mechanism from falling on its face. If she was indeed working for a company that was into creating wall street related internet ponzi schemes, then that is a contradictory role, a role that is opposite to the role that she is playing on Freedomizer radio.



First of all my friends please be sure to do your own research on these matters. Do not trust me or anyone else... I do my own research all the time. And I want all following this thread to be clear about something... Teri Hinkle was a member of the Turner group and was "ejected from this imaginary republic – for asking questions and telling the truth."

TURIYA is obviously here to continue attaching Teri Hinkle.

Also I want you to be aware that the Turner group is also aligned with fundamentalist Christian beliefs. I am not judging any of this just stating the facts.

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Check out this page on the Freedomreigns.us web site : http://freedomreignsusa.blogspot.com/p/rusa-exposed.html And go to this page to be able to click on the links in this below paste of the page.


RUSA Exposed

Restore America Plan. Sounds good, doesn't it? Restored America - called Republic of the united States of America. They were called RAP and RuSA. RAP - was a trap and RuSA is a ruse. In the words the host, co-host, and guest for programs on this subject and its puppet so-called president, it's the most carefully black op from the dark side that they have seen. A whole lot of people who listen to Freedom Reigns have been part of it - and some are still part of it.



Teri Hinkle was among the first to be ejected from this imaginary republic – for asking questions and telling the truth. As such, she became a target for lies, and a magnet for others who woke up to the truth about it. Since then, one of her reasons for living has been to inform others who are still involved with – nothing at best – a scam at worst. She has gathered a huge repository of information about this plan that was designed to fail, and the republic that lives only in la-la land – destined to become a cult if it survives at all. She unrolls the story – and lets Mr. Turner bury himself in his own lies – in his own voice – on these programs. Thank you, Teri – for your tireless efforts and your love for others.


Integration Committee click to Listen
Texas Issue click to Listen
The Truth of the Origins of TRAP/RuSA click to Listen
The Truth of the Origins of TRAP/RuSA part 2 click to Listen

History on RUSA Exposed
Follow the link below and read forward in time from this article

Common Sense

And for the record I personally resonate with Drake, David Wilcock, and Ben Fulford and many many others.... I have no gurus although I am sure grateful I have so many powerful friends :-)

Much love to us all!! :grouphug:

[foreverfan]

Does it make sense that Tim Turner is a plant by the TPTW since he is allowed to operate in public. I'm not sure, but I think the Obama administration would look at what he's doing as TREASON.

[Lost N Found]

So then, Turiya you have been involved with the RuSA and obviously have listened to the conference calls and watched videos until your eyes bugged out. Now you are saying that you were moved to get out of this organization because of the religious conotations being fostered upon the groups or assemblies. Well I can agree with you on some of things you state. What I can not get behind is the hate you seem to have fostered for Hinkle and possibly even Drake. All people have something to do and yes we do have to be discerning about what we see. If you have extracated yourself from this organization, is it what you may have picked up while being in it that still lingers in your thoughts?

We all must be together in where we are headed but we all must be very careful to not become lemmings.

I quit listening to the Turner conferenses when all they could do was talk about getting out of debt and how much it was going to cost to do that. I really woke up when the assembly was saying that if you are not one of us and a white christian, you were not going to recieve any help in the dream that they have about "helping people" I do believe that the RAP movement had the right idea at the beginning but then it went south and turned into the same bull that we all live by today.

Thank you for some clarification of your self, Please remember that there are good folks everywhere and most will wake up through themselves.


Love transcends all

[Chester]

After they get a clue as to our true history - they are going to want some help, including and maybe PRIMARILY spiritual help. Be there for them, Ishtar

I am always there to help people become self-empowered .... but I do it by introducing them to their own set of 'inner DVDs', so that they can become empowered by their own individual story and not one blanket homogenous one that is put out to control people by whoever happens to be in power at the time.

You say 'after they get a clue to our true history' but whose true history is that going be? David Wilcock's? Zechariah Stitchin's? David Icke's? L Ron Hubbard's?

I usually use too many words to make my point and the point gets lost -
Let me suggest this - the education process has to bring forth as much truth that can be proven but has been hidden by those we wish to expose (the targets of these arrests and their henchmen). You don't have to go very far to do this and we have a huge supply of Live People who can testify to the following

The world has been covertly taken over by group of people who apparantly believe they have some right to be our rulers and have created a slave world. We the People have cases against these people and we are in process of arresting them and will adjudicate each one. In the course of our investigation we have discovered vast evidence these people believe they have some "divine" right to be our rulers and to do so in the fashion they have done (surely in the Vatican library alone can be found this evidence as has been reported by many witnesses already).

We don't have to go any further than what can be proven via documents and a great deal of testimony. An education process that reports the case perspective is all that is needed. That will be enough to shatter most folk's paradigms and once that ball gets rolling, each person can freely pursue the rest of their questions and do so for the rest of their lives freely.

No reason to go into the more difficult to prove areas when we have enough we can prove. The alien agenda alone will be a major paradigm shift catalyst that surely the white hats in the military and alphabets can support with plenty of hard core evidence.

We could bring out Carroll Quigley's material for example - the man exposed a great deal of the agenda yet his works only get mentioned in places like this and amongst the awakened.

Thanks for the reply Ishtar - you make great points -

I might add that a lot of intelligent folk have thought a lot about the implementation of this plan. There is going to be downsides as well as the intended upsides in these actions. I am sure that what is intended to be "education" is to bring people up to speed and expose lies and hidden truths we can prove have been perpetrated. Real stuff.

[aranuk]

I thought there was another radio broadcast with Drake tonight, but I don't see it at freedomreigns or wolfspirit radio. Is it on tonight?

Stan

[Chester]

After they get a clue as to our true history - they are going to want some help, including and maybe PRIMARILY spiritual help. Be there for them, Ishtar

I am always there to help people become self-empowered .... but I do it by introducing them to their own set of 'inner DVDs', so that they can become empowered by their own individual story and not one blanket homogenous one that is put out to control people by whoever happens to be in power at the time.

You say 'after they get a clue to our true history' but whose true history is that going be? David Wilcock's? Zechariah Stitchin's? David Icke's? L Ron Hubbard's? I mention all these names because their 'true history' would be about 'gods on rockets' who came from other parts of our universe to create a slave race of man, in their own image. Is this the 'true history' we want people to be told... that they are slaves made in the image of Enki and Enlil? It's hardly empowering.

Now they say that the 'gods on rockets' are coming again... but this time they're the good guys! Puhleeeese! :rolleyes:

David Wilcox, the other day, used an alarmist tactic by saying that the Illuminati was going to "make everyone worship Lucifer". I don’t know if these guys worship Lucifer or not, but for our purposes here, it doesn’t matter: Because just because that cabal of selfish evil people worships Lucifer, it does not make Lucifer evil any more than that cabal of selfish evil people in the Vatican worshipping Jesus makes Jesus evil. (I've written an article about Lucifer (http://ishtarsgate.wordpress.com/2012/04/15/rehabilitating-lucifer/) here.)

I think that if the likes of the Illuminati are really in touch with the Divine Lightbringer (doubtful!), the communion with such purity and humility will only do them good. But David Wilcock has the typical Ascensionists quasi-Christian view that "Up is Good" and "Light is Better Than Dark" and "Down is Bad" and "Anything With Horns is the Devil". So is this where we're being led, back to the Dark Ages of intolerance for those who practice pre-Christian mystical systems?

Once you're introduced to your own 'inner set of DVDs', (by which I mean, meet with your own spirit guides that exist in other dimensions that are found by going within yourself) you no longer have any need for anyone to tell you who you are and where you've come from, or to join a club of people who all believe they've come from the same place and are going to the same destination, which is what religions are.

In a religion, you are told what to believe by the one person at the the top who claims to have a direct line to God or the gods (spirits). But you can talk to the gods (spirits) yourself. You don't need a middle man. And once you can talk to the gods (spirits) yourself, you become totally self-empowered.

I've been teaching people how to journey within to meet their spirit guides for many years, and one thing I've noticed is that when they ask the really important questions of their spirits like ...

Who am I?
Where have I come from?
Why am I here on Earth?

...they are all shown a completely different backstory. I have never had two people with the same backstory. They all have different types of ancestral spirits who come from a different places .... but NOT different places in this dimension, galaxy or universe. The spirits are not extra terrestrial but inter dimensional... and so are we, and that's the point. If we want our true back story, it won't come from 'gods on rockets' from the Pleiades or Sirius, which are in this dimension. We need to get beyond this dimension, because we are in essence multi-dimensional spirits having a human experience within infinite Space.

Shamanic work is self-empowering because it's transformative. Going into another dimension is a self-transformative experience. Going off-planet or being a contactee isn't necessarily a self-transformative experience in the same way because you're still in this dimension. So you may have had gone to Mars through a jump room, and it may have been an interesting experience. But when you come back, you've still got all the same hangs-ups and baseless worries and fears as you did when you left. You can go to the furthest ends of this universe but you'd still be in this dimension wondering who you are and where you'll go when you 'die'.

We find that going back into history, hundreds of thousands of years ago, our earliest ancestors were in touch with these interdimensional spirits, who gave them the same guidance that the shaman receives today. Christianity stamped out that practice by telling us that the spirits were evil. The horns by the way, that you see on statues of horned spirits (known as 'the gods') were considered in ancient times to be a sign of wisdom ~ not the Satanic.

This is Michelangelo's statue of Moses

http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=278&d=1334857283

So I've just read this back and I guess it does seem a bit like the ravings of a bag lady shouting at the traffic, and I hope you can make some sense of it. :o:

The bottom line is self-empowerment by working with one's own spirits rather than being disempowered by having to take on a group homogenous backstory prepared for us on DVDs by the powers-that-be...whoever that new ptb turns out to be.

I think that force-feeding everyone with Wilcock's backstory will create religious intolerance which will eventually leads to more bloodshed, and we'll be back where we started.



Damn Ishtar, we do agree on something!

Gosh!! How did that happen!! :eek: :happy:

I had to add more - If Ishtar and I met at a cafe and began to talk, we would quickly find we have a great deal in common and we would begin to talk about subjects most people on this planet at this time would never be able to discuss. Those subjects would surely not be a part of the "getting up to speed, educational information." Yet we probably can agree that if a part of the conditioned state of most of the masses could be removed, the 3D - 5 sense - live human beings stuff that CAN be wiped away via a plethora of proof I am certain is in the hands of the white hats now, then we can at least save a great deal of time in getting people to the next level where they are able to more easily get in touch with that vast library of truth within.

[Chester]

Khaleesi,

Unified Serenity asked why I described the centuries of this millennium in the West as 'dark'. I explained that it was a time of ignorance, and also how that ignorance came about.... through the militancy of the Christian religion at that time.

My whole point has been, throughout all these posts in this thread, to explain how I believe that that all religious thinking (aka telling others what to believe) causes bloodshed and wars.

That's why I advocate encouraging people to find their own truth within themselves, through spiritual practises where they're not told what to believe through DVDs or any other media, but to discover by looking inwards, not outwards. I'm hoping that David Wilcock is not trying to start his own religion through all this, which, if he is, will be Ascensionist in nature and thus very like Christianity in its dualism.

I agree that people should be encouraged to find their own truth within themselves. My problem is the continual pointing to one religion, namely Christianity, as problematic. IMO all religions are used to control people. This constant pointing to Christianity shows an apparent bias imo. I would prefer a more balanced view.

Khaleesi

In defense of Ishtar - there are some differences regarding Christianity that separate it from the other major religions of today. And I am not referring to mystical Christianity but more so to those who tend to interpret text literally. Even the person that Christianity is based upon from the evidence I have gathered was anything but what most Christians are today. Many folks would call that guy a Gnostic and anyone who honestly researched gnosticism would likely conclude that this guy was quite enlightened but by no means some messiah as there is no messiah figure in gnosticism. Yet gnostic texts warn us about those who would promote a religion based on a savior (or a savior to come). I sense Ishtar has an understanding about these matters and I sense she's upset as to how Gnostics were killed off by the Christian movement via the Vatican.

What may really rock the boat here is that the very energies and entities the Gnostics warned us about may very well be the energies and entities behind the formation of the Catholic Church which was the original formal organization to promote so called Christianity. All Christianity stems from this other than Gnostic Christianity which does exist from reports I have obtained.

[Chester]

Apologies for getting off topic - I just realized how far off I got

Turiya - I apologized to you and the forum for being aggressive.

I now must make an observation. You really do seem to have some serious ax to grind against Teri and perhaps Drake as well and I wish you would just explain why?

One of the reasons I say this is that I saw the number of times you have thanked another post - 1 time. wow ... I may be wrong but it seems to me that unless someone is only here for a specific purpose which in your case seems to be this constant campaign against these two folks, that person would at least consider the comments of others. Now I cannot say you have not, but to have said Thanks just one time...

[modwiz]

Apologies for getting off topic - I just realized how far off I got

Turiya - I apologized to you and the forum for being aggressive.

I now must make an observation. You really do seem to have some serious ax to grind against Teri and perhaps Drake as well and I wish you would just explain why?

One of the reasons I say this is that I saw the number of times you have thanked another post - 1 time. wow ... I may be wrong but it seems to me that unless someone is only here for a specific purpose which in your case seems to be this constant campaign against these two folks, that person would at least consider the comments of others. Now I cannot say you have not, but to have said Thanks just one time...

Excellent point. Not exactly good forum spirit. If one thinks so little of what they are getting from the forum, then what is the motivation for being here?
15778

[turiya]

Sorry that I do not fit into your expectations of how a poster should be, here.
I have read enough of those posts that say I am on their ignore list. I see no purpose in making such a statement.
If one chooses to ignore, then simply ignore - nothing need be proclaimed. Such proclamations are ego based.

If one has a problem with how one 'should' conduct oneself, then that is a problem that is not mine.

Please note that I did not create this thread. The thread was created by someone else.
Presently, I am busy researching what other information that I can find to show a contrary view to all those that prefer to blindly accept the unproven allegations of those that my gut feeling tells me cannot be trusted. I do this in between the time I spend working & keeping my bills paid.

The importance of trusting oneself cannot be emphasized enough here. Trust your own feelings in all matters, trust your intuition, get to know the signals that one's body will communicate. It is the transferring mechanism that connects to one's higher self. Trust oneself totally, then being betrayed by others doesn't really matter much. Betrayals will happen only to those that don't trust themselves & their own intuitive sense.

If you think I have put you on an ignore list, then that is your thinking. I do not have such a list. I respond to those posts that I feel to respond to at the time. Again, apologies if you think I am not acting in accordance with the expectations that u have of how others should act.

There is no ax to grind, here, there is only response to what the body is telling me.
These people that are the topic of this forum are working for the de facto. That is what I feel. That is what my body is signaling to me. I have come to trust what my body tells me. Others are free to do the same.

Best regards -*-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBkMKnXyAq4&feature=related


Apologies for getting off topic - I just realized how far off I got

Turiya - I apologized to you and the forum for being aggressive.

I now must make an observation. You really do seem to have some serious ax to grind against Teri and perhaps Drake as well and I wish you would just explain why?

One of the reasons I say this is that I saw the number of times you have thanked another post - 1 time. wow ... I may be wrong but it seems to me that unless someone is only here for a specific purpose which in your case seems to be this constant campaign against these two folks, that person would at least consider the comments of others. Now I cannot say you have not, but to have said Thanks just one time...

[ThePythonicCow]

If one has a problem with how one 'should' conduct oneself, then that is a problem that is not mine.
Conduct conducive to good discussion is a responsibility shared by all of us.

The poster should not conclude that it is the readers problem if they don't like the manner of posting; nor should the reader conclude it is the poster's problem.


Please note that I did not create this thread. The thread was created by someone else.

Correct - I started this thread :).

[turiya]

If one has a problem with how one 'should' conduct oneself, then that is a problem that is not mine.
Conduct conducive to good discussion is a responsibility shared by all of us.

The poster should not conclude that it is the readers problem if they don't like the manner of posting; nor should the reader conclude it is the poster's problem.


Please note that I did not create this thread. The thread was created by someone else.

Correct - I started this thread :).


On the contrary, I submit blaming someone else for why you are feeling miserable is playing the game of the victim. Saying that someone else is making you feel bad, at the same time, one is also saying that one is not responsible for their own happiness, either.

If feeling good & feeling bad about yourself is dependent on others, then this is living life as a victim. It lies at the very root of those that are not wanting to grow up, of those that are not wanting to become truly mature in this life, and not willing take on the responsibility for the situation(s) that they are finding themselves in.

Living life as such removes the very possibility of being a creator, to create a life for oneself. Instead one accepts that notion that they are living a life that is created by others.

Censorship only keeps people from being responsible for their own actions. Someone else is there that decides what is right/wrong, good/bad. This plays into the nanny state philosophy that people cannot be trusted to learn from life on their own terms.

I submit that taking on responsibility for one's own action is the very basis of being sovereign. Once one decides to take on responsibility, then they have decided that they will be free, because this is a basic prerequisite to living in freedom.

Stop living as a victim, start being responsible, as a matured adult. Start living as a creator. Create your own life. Trusting in yourself, totally, and it won't matter what others say. This is sovereignty. This is maturity. This living a life of godliness.

Living such a life, and you will create a presence for yourself. Others that are around you will feel it, others will be effected by it. Without saying anything, you will be changing this world for the better.

If you are feeling bad about what someone else has said, before breaking into a reaction, try asking yourself, "Why am I bothered by this? What is going on inside me that makes me feel this way?" The same self examination can be done with why certain things people say that make you feel good.

This is living a meditative life. This is living a self-examined life. Socrates had made the suggestion long, long ago. Still most people, here, have not wanted to hear his message.

An unexamined life is a life that is not worth living. - Socrates

Be responsible, and be free from what others say, from what others think about you.
Its absolutely more critical to know what you think about yourself.
If you depend on others, what others think about you. Then know well, you are living life as a slave. And it is out of your own choosing to do so.

Isn't it about time to grow up?
You want to be free? Then this is the first step that needs to be taken.

If most people are then truly willing to take on such a responsibility, then the society as a whole will move to a greater level of consciousness. From being a psuedo-civilized society, to a truly civilized society.
-*-

[ulli]

I agree that people should be encouraged to find their own truth within themselves. My problem is the continual pointing to one religion, namely Christianity, as problematic. IMO all religions are used to control people. This constant pointing to Christianity shows an apparent bias imo. I would prefer a more balanced view.

Khaleesi

On this forum bashing Christinaty is PC...bashing Buddhism would be the big nono.

All religions are used to control people- so true. This is because religious adherents have already signalled to the controllers that they wish to project leadership outside themselves and are therefore more easily manipulated, via the media, or cultural events which please memories based on childhood traditions.

But what about those who believe that all religions have elements of truth?
Truths which can be reconciled and still allow for that state of sublime love for the highest. A love which brings one to receiving spiritual nourishment?

Beliefs such as Christ being the only way might have served their purpose in ancient Rome in unifying the community, but in the twentieth century only serve further divisiveness than might be practical. 'No one can come to the Father but through me'....there is another thread there....

This thread is interesting and I can sympathize with all parties, but will pay extra attention to someone who is on everyone's ignore list. Especially since their viewpoint is expressed in a dispassionate manner.
He'll be careful in future about using words like gullible, is my guess.

[ThePythonicCow]

On the contrary, I submit blaming someone else for why you are feeling miserable is playing the game of the victim.
Well spoken ... however ...

It seems you're saying that if the miserable feeling is entirely with the reader ... then the reader should take entire responsible for that feeling.

True enough that ... I'd agree ... "if" :)

If you search the web for my past history (seach on "ThePythonicCow"), you might find several years of analytical, rational but energized debate of what really happened on 9/11. I probably got on a few ignore lists during that time. My "just being rational, just looking at the evidence" justifications turned out in part to be "just refusing to look at some underlying feelings of being threatened, some hidden fears", the noticing of which allowed a (modest, I'm sure, but valued by myself) shift in awareness.

As a rule of thumb, when the same tension dynamic recurs several times, with various combinations of the same parties, I figure that the energizing feelings (even if not noticed) are with both "sides." New awareness, from my experience anyway, comes from noticing new (to one's conscious) feelings. My strong logical mind is quite adept at explaining and finding evidence for what I already know; but new awareness has to sneak in the back door, through the gut, the feeling, the intuitive.

[turiya]

all religions have elements of truth?

Yes they do, you can find the truth in their scriptures. Look at the empty spaces between the words and you will find the Truth there. Read between the lines on the pages, and the Truth will be found there.

Gulibility - Gull; from gullet (throat); gole "throat, neck"; root *gwele- "swallow"; gluttire "to gulp down, devour,"; O.E. ceole "throat,"; O.C.S. glutu "gullet," O.Ir. gelim "I devour"; [See] Gull - "someone who will swallow anything thrown at him."
+ -ability - fitness, or capacity
The capacity of someone who will swallow anything thrown at him.

Yes that is what we are talking about.

-*-



all religions have elements of truth?

Beliefs such as Christ being the only way might have served their purpose in ancient Rome in unifying the community, but in the twentieth century only serve further divisiveness than might be practical. 'No one can come to the Father but through me'....there is another thread there....

This thread is interesting and I can sympathize with all parties, but will pay extra attention to someone who is on everyone's ignore list. Especially since their viewpoint is expressed in a dispassionate manner.
He'll be careful in future about using words like gullible, is my guess.

[turiya]

A Miserable feeling that lies within the reader is entirely the responsibility of the reader. With this I agree.

If one miserable irresponsible reader encounters another miserable irresponsible reader, then both are irresponsible, both being in unawareness. Escalation, the throwing of each others' miseries onto each other, will often intensify. This is commonly the case.

One throwing out (clearing) one's misery from his mechanism will find momentary relief. However, this will be, more often than not, accumulated back upon the acceptance of the others thrown misery.

All it takes is for one to be responsible (aware) for the battle between two miserable people to swiftly come to an end. It only takes one with awareness to end a conflict.

The non acceptance of the other's thrown misery is enough to suffice. Awareness can be quite contagious. All it takes is one to act responsibly.

The moment that one chooses to become responsible, then he is no longer miserable, misery begins to dissipate.

-*-



On the contrary, I submit blaming someone else for why you are feeling miserable is playing the game of the victim.
Well spoken ... however ...

It seems you're saying that if the miserable feeling is entirely with the reader ... then the reader should take entire responsible for that feeling.

True enough that ... I'd agree ... "if" :)

As a rule of thumb, when the same tension dynamic recurs several times, with various combinations of the same parties, I figure that the energizing feelings (even if not noticed) are with both "sides."

[ulli]

You distorted my post by cutting my sentence in half
and made it look as if I was asking the question if all religions have elements of truth.
I did not.
I happen to believe that all religions originate from a divine source but are hijacked after the death of their founders.

Read my post again, and you will see that we were on the same page.


This is what I said: "What about those (people) who believe that all religions have elements of truth?
(Which includes me.)
As opposed to those who believe in one way only, and therefore run the risk of fanaticism.






all religions have elements of truth?

Yes they do, you can find the truth in their scriptures. Look at the empty spaces between the words and you will find the Truth there. Read between the lines on the pages, and the Truth will be found there.

Gulibility - Gull; from gullet (throat); gole "throat, neck"; root *gwele- "swallow"; gluttire "to gulp down, devour,"; O.E. ceole "throat,"; O.C.S. glutu "gullet," O.Ir. gelim "I devour"; [See] Gull - "someone who will swallow anything thrown at him."
+ -ability - fitness, or capacity
The capacity of someone who will swallow anything thrown at him.

Yes that is what we are talking about.

-*-



all religions have elements of truth?

Beliefs such as Christ being the only way might have served their purpose in ancient Rome in unifying the community, but in the twentieth century only serve further divisiveness than might be practical. 'No one can come to the Father but through me'....there is another thread there....

This thread is interesting and I can sympathize with all parties, but will pay extra attention to someone who is on everyone's ignore list. Especially since their viewpoint is expressed in a dispassionate manner.
He'll be careful in future about using words like gullible, is my guess.

[turiya]

The Truth cannot be distorted. The distortion lay in the words.
Any attempt to put the Truth into words will have it come out a lie.

I cut out half the lies. That's all I did.
You are acting as if I literally cut you.

If you are attached to the words you use,
if you are attached to the lies that words propagate,
then that is your addiction. It is not of my doing.

A Belief is but wishful thinking.
Knowing is diametrically opposed to borrowed knowledge.

Yes, we are on the same page.
Sometimes the words get in the way.


-*-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbwXpa4_EXk


You distorted my post by cutting my sentence in half
and made it look as if I was asking the question if all religions have elements of truth.
I did not.
I happen to believe that all religions originate from a divine source but are hijacked after the death of their founders.

Read my post again, and you will see that we were on the same page.


This is what I said: "What about those (people) who believe that all religions have elements of truth?
(Which includes me.)
As opposed to those who believe in one way only, and therefore run the risk of fanaticism.






all religions have elements of truth?

Yes they do, you can find the truth in their scriptures. Look at the empty spaces between the words and you will find the Truth there. Read between the lines on the pages, and the Truth will be found there.

Gulibility - Gull; from gullet (throat); gole "throat, neck"; root *gwele- "swallow"; gluttire "to gulp down, devour,"; O.E. ceole "throat,"; O.C.S. glutu "gullet," O.Ir. gelim "I devour"; [See] Gull - "someone who will swallow anything thrown at him."
+ -ability - fitness, or capacity
The capacity of someone who will swallow anything thrown at him.

Yes that is what we are talking about.

-*-



all religions have elements of truth?

[ThePythonicCow]

A Miserable feeling that lies within the reader is entirely the responsibility of the reader. With this I agree.
What of the (perhaps unrecognized) feelings within the poster?

[ulli]

A Miserable feeling that lies within the reader is entirely the responsibility of the reader. With this I agree.
What of the (perhaps unrecognized) feelings within the poster?

Yeah, Paul, quite right.
Such as attributing someone with over-reactions which didn't even exist, like he just did in his post to me.
I was defending him against the other posters but unfortunately he totally misread me.
Once is ok, but twice?

[Chester]

Turiya - I am pretty confused by your posts, could you please answer these questions.

What exactly are your motivations for your posts?

Also, what are the goals you hope to accomplish by making your posts?

Are anyone else's posts here beneficial for you?

Thanks for answering
justoneman

[turiya]

Yes you can see it almost everywhere, in many posted messages.
People are releasing their pent up emotions. There are many ways to express oneself, i.e. to unburden oneself.
Its quite a good therapy for the tense individual to unburden himself through the written medium. It helps to remove blockages & release emotional garbage from the body.

Unfortunately, much of what is written in the form of therapy for emotional release is not so healthy for others to read. (I see where you are going with this question)
In other words, writing out your rantings in a public forum is probably not the best way to proceed in cleansing oneself. This is because one's emotional garbage can significantly affect others.

In this way, I can understand from this vantage, that there is a need for a certain amount of censorship to ensure the health & well-being of a public forum's membership.
Healer, Chris Thomas, has suggested this as a way of cleansing oneself, because of the new influx of higher frequencies. In order to prepare oneself to receive the higher base frequency of the planet, one needs to vent one's emotional garbage by writing it out - using a pencil on newspaper. He cautions that such writing should not be read back, but should be immediately thrown in the garbage, and not to be reread at all. Hence, the reason for using a pencil on newsprint.

However, it is quite possible for one to reach a level of awareness in order to be not affected by another's emotional rantings. Awareness is the key. Understanding one's own body/mind mechanism is will bring about this kind of awareness, imo.

Take a hint from the Red Neck - Before coming onto the Avalon Forum - make good use of that laundry room!

-*-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjbEQcGq7Xo&feature=player_embedded



A Miserable feeling that lies within the reader is entirely the responsibility of the reader. With this I agree.
What of the (perhaps unrecognized) feelings within the poster?

[WhiteFeather]

Where is this thread going to? I totally agree with the announcer, Mud is very slippery!
Please dont make fun of the male referee, that would be I. Get a load of my outfit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxWrBuMhUa8

[ThePythonicCow]

Unfortunately, much of what is written in the form of therapy for emotional release is not so healthy for others to read. (I see where you are going with this question)

In other words, writing out your rantings in a public forum is probably not the best way to proceed in cleansing oneself.

I suspect I was too cryptic. I doubt you saw where I was going. I will reply via PM instead; that would be a more appropriate venue.

Thanks.

[turiya]

I am pretty confused by your posts, could you please answer these questions.
Well don't feel that you are alone, justoneman. Everyone else seems to be confused, as well.


What exactly are your motivations for your posts?
I don't have any motivations. I have nothing to gain.


Also, what are the goals you hope to accomplish by making your posts?
Sorry to disappoint, I am not a goal oriented individual.


Are anyone else's posts here beneficial for you?
Yes, I enjoy everyone's posted messages here. Thank you all so much. You are all truly great!


Ok, time to get back in that laundry room...

It is said that Bernie Madoff cheated many people out of their wealth.
The fact of the matter is that those that were cheated, wanted to be cheated.

Teri Hinkle rants on & on about being cheated by RuSA. The fact of the matteris she wanted to be cheated.
She was waiting to be cheated. She was looking to be cheated. Whether she was actually cheated is not the issue. She has spun a great story that goes along with her being a victim, of being cheated. Many people identify with her victimization, because there are so many that would prefer to not be responsible for their own self created situations. They would prefer to be crying in their milk and continuously wanting to blame others for why things are not any better for themselves.

The basic fact is that if you simply trust your own self, then distrusting of others will never become an issue.
Teri Hinkle & Drake have been continuously ranting about Tim Turner cheating everyone. Now Drake has said he will shoot TT on sight.
And he's posing as some sort of a leader? This is someone that will only lead you to a FEMA camp. Let the sheople follow.
He is working for the de facto. The de facto is pulling out the stops.

Mass arrests? Ha! And now, there are not going to be mass arrests, but arrests will be singular.

Now, why do you suppose this kind of malarkey is being pumped out to the public. So that all the guys that are supposedly going to be arrested know that they are going to be arrested. Its all spin. Its all to keep the masses preoccupied with hope, with hope-ium. Its a drug inducement.

Drake has taken on Teri's victim-hood persona, and they are working as a team.
The masses are generally quite unconscious, choosing to be victims en masse. they can easily identify with Teri's victimhooded-ness. So be it.




Turiya - I am pretty confused by your posts, could you please answer these questions.

What exactly are your motivations for your posts?

Also, what are the goals you hope to accomplish by making your posts?

Are anyone else's posts here beneficial for you?

Thanks for answering
justoneman

[Dennis Leahy]

I figured it out! Either A or B is true!

A.) Because the alternative community had a brilliant plan that the OWO knew would work - to end the enslavement of humanity and bring down the OWO - and the plan was just about to come to fruition, a major distraction had to be created! Enter Drake. Drake, the master mesmerizer, took us all off our game, and now our window of opportunity is closed. It will be 1000 years of more enslavement for us. Oh, if only Drake had not come along, and we could have actually used our brilliant plan. I mean..., someone here has a brilliant plan, right?

or else maybe...

B.) The OWO could not think of a way to kill-off 95% of us without harming themselves. They thought about it long and hard, but simply came up blank. (We are such clever, unpredictable sheep.) Then they remembered that they have a master crowd manipulator, disguised as an Appalachian 'ol boy, ex-'Nam vet. Enter Drake. The plan is to pretend to arrest a bunch of bad guys. They will all be assembled, then led onto a spaceship, and we will be told that they are going to trial on the dark side of the moon base. They get in. Whoosh! And then, they unleash the virus or meltdown a few more nuclear reactors and voila, they got 95% of us while they were partying on the Upper Atmospheric Love Boat (with little gray waitpersons) while we wretch and die.

One of those HAS to be correct (because this 3D world is actually dualistic.)

OK, so we figured it out. Now, someone grab those brilliant plans and see if we can still make them work.

Dennis

{edit} I do hope people know I'm using satire. If the Elite want us dead, there are plenty of ways. If they want us imprisoned, well... of course we already are.

It makes no sense at all for the Elite to 'employ' or 'deploy' Drake to use against us. Those in the alternative community that feel we need to be attacked and divided are not paying attention. We pose no threat to the Elite other than waking a few people up. Sorry, we're just not important in their game plan. So, poke holes in Drake's words if you must, but my guess is that his one real task was just to get word out that a group of 'patriots' is planning to make a move, and soon, so don't freak out. Any released details are probably sketchy and may include deliberate disinformation - which won't hurt citizens but may serve a purpose in concealing what the patriot group needs to conceal. If it doesn't happen, well, my guess is that it was thwarted behind the scenes. I do think there is going to be an attempt. We'll know soon enough. If I was on the strategy team, I'd announce, "by the end of May, for sure." and then spring it in August, after the 'bad guys' relax. We shall see, and you won't see me say it was BS for quite a while. I'll give them time to pick their own time to make a move.

[turiya]

Hey, Dennis, you nailed it. Here's phase 2 of plan B: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfxfTkkjoI0#t=2896s


I figured it out! Either A or B is true!

A.) Because the alternative community had a brilliant plan that the OWO knew would work - to end the enslavement of humanity and bring down the OWO - and the plan was just about to come to fruition, a major distraction had to be created! Enter Drake. Drake, the master mesmerizer, took us all off our game, and now our window of opportunity is closed. It will be 1000 years of more enslavement for us. Oh, if only Drake had not come along, and we could have actually used our brilliant plan. I mean..., someone here has a brilliant plan, right?

or else maybe...

B.) The OWO could not think of a way to kill-off 95% of us without harming themselves. They thought about it long and hard, but simply came up blank. (We are such clever, unpredictable sheep.) Then they remembered that they have a master crowd manipulator, disguised as an Appalachian 'ol boy, ex-'Nam vet. Enter Drake. The plan is to pretend to arrest a bunch of bad guys. They will all be assembled, then led onto a spaceship, and we will be told that they are going to trial on the dark side of the moon base. They get in. Whoosh! And then, they unleash the virus or meltdown a few more nuclear reactors and voila, they got 95% of us while they were partying on the Upper Atmospheric Love Boat (with little gray waitpersons) while we wretch and die.

One of those HAS to be correct (because this 3D world is actually dualistic.)

OK, so we figured it out. Now, someone grab those brilliant plans and see if we can still make them work.

Dennis

[Chester]

Thanks, Paul, for waking me up - can only handle this via a PM

[Ishtar]

Great thinking, Dennis! :suspicious: Hmmm.....

And then there's Project Bluebeam. I'm sure people are much too techy aware to fall for such a cheap trick, but anyway ....found this on Intelhub yesterday...


Project Bluebeam to be Used to Create Fake Appearances of Religious Figures Worldwide?

The Blue Beam technology will allegedly display in the sky laser projections of multiple holographic images to be visible by every part of the planet.

Each area will receive different images according to the predominating regional religious faith. Not a single area will be excluded.

This will allegedly be done with computer animation and sound effects appearing to come from the depths of space.

Computers will coordinate the satellites and software will run the audio and visual show-and-tell. It is said that astonished followers of the various creeds will witness their own returned Messiah in spectacularly convincing lifelike realness.

The various images of Christ, Mohammad, Buddha, Krishna, etc., will merge into one image after correct explanation of the mysteries, prophecies and revelations throughout time have been disclosed.

This “One God” will explain that the various scriptures have been misunderstood and that the religious of old are responsible for turning brother against brother, nation against nation, and that the religions of the world must be abolished to make way for the New World Religion representing the one God they see before them.

Some claim that the Blue beam technology can fake or hoax a rapture scenario where people will be seen being beamed into heaven.

Others say that the Blue beam project is capable of creating an alien attack. Like a visual war of the Worlds where we will be convinced of a fake UFO landing and contact.

Sounds crazy right?

Last month Ground Zero Radio reported on the Anniversary of probably one of the most witnessed UFO sightings in History. On March 13th, 1997 a mile long triangular shaped UFO was seen over Phoenix.

The massive airship had an array of lights in the back and a huge light in the front. While many witnesses phoned into the show from the Phoenix area confirming that what was seen was a giant flying platform, there were others who believed that what was seen was a holographic image of a large space ship.

This would mean that on that night, thousands of people were all part of a massive psy-op. There is circumstantial evidence that suggests that what was seen was part of an experiment called Project Blue Beam.

This Blue Beam project allegedly has been created by NASA and the United States Psy-ops division in order to trigger an emotional reaction through the use of computer generated apparitions, modulated microwave images and sounds and voices directed into your brain.


Read more here at Intelhub (http://theintelhub.com/2012/04/19/project-bluebeam-to-be-used-to-create-fake-appearances-of-religious-figures-worldwide/)

But of course, this whole article could be psy-ops disinfo to create a spoiler for a planned event of Jesus/Buddha/Krishna etc actually appearing in our skies, come the revolution!! :twitch:

How far down this rabbit hole do we want to go? ;)

[YvonneG]

Kimberley, my friend. Tim turner et al are not just fundamentalist Christians. They are extremists. Their American Ranger program--there is an actual recording of one of their calls--think this could be considered evidence :-) Where they are talking about how to deal with Moslems, Buddhists, Atheists...oh and New Ager people. To sum it up: give them an opportunity to renounce any of it BEFORE citizenship in The Republic is granted. If they won't, they cant be made a citizen.

I heard it myself. I almost passed out from the sheer feeling of the possiblity. What I know is that I have friends still in the republic who are not like this. But the top "dudes" are extremists. Most of the people I have met that are still in it, or not, but they are hypnotized by "The is God's work" and God has asked me to do this" from TT.

I just had to share this. I am not a fundamentalist Christian as I am sure you all know, but I didn't question this until Drake came along because I trusted a friend of my very high up in the Republic and never bothered to question TT. Teri has hard core evidence...




The only thing that needs to be done is for Drake to re-examine his relationship with Teri Hinkle.

Teri Hinkle's motive, as I have said all along here, is to create division amongst the patriots that want to restore a Republic form of government.

It can be reasoned that Teri Hinkle, in a way, is actually working for the de facto USG - to help prolong this control mechanism from falling on its face. If she was indeed working for a company that was into creating wall street related internet ponzi schemes, then that is a contradictory role, a role that is opposite to the role that she is playing on Freedomizer radio.



First of all my friends please be sure to do your own research on these matters. Do not trust me or anyone else... I do my own research all the time. And I want all following this thread to be clear about something... Teri Hinkle was a member of the Turner group and was "ejected from this imaginary republic – for asking questions and telling the truth."

TURIYA is obviously here to continue attaching Teri Hinkle.

Also I want you to be aware that the Turner group is also aligned with fundamentalist Christian beliefs. I am not judging any of this just stating the facts.

**************************

Check out this page on the Freedomreigns.us web site : http://freedomreignsusa.blogspot.com/p/rusa-exposed.html And go to this page to be able to click on the links in this below paste of the page.


RUSA Exposed

Restore America Plan. Sounds good, doesn't it? Restored America - called Republic of the united States of America. They were called RAP and RuSA. RAP - was a trap and RuSA is a ruse. In the words the host, co-host, and guest for programs on this subject and its puppet so-called president, it's the most carefully black op from the dark side that they have seen. A whole lot of people who listen to Freedom Reigns have been part of it - and some are still part of it.



Teri Hinkle was among the first to be ejected from this imaginary republic – for asking questions and telling the truth. As such, she became a target for lies, and a magnet for others who woke up to the truth about it. Since then, one of her reasons for living has been to inform others who are still involved with – nothing at best – a scam at worst. She has gathered a huge repository of information about this plan that was designed to fail, and the republic that lives only in la-la land – destined to become a cult if it survives at all. She unrolls the story – and lets Mr. Turner bury himself in his own lies – in his own voice – on these programs. Thank you, Teri – for your tireless efforts and your love for others.


Integration Committee click to Listen
Texas Issue click to Listen
The Truth of the Origins of TRAP/RuSA click to Listen
The Truth of the Origins of TRAP/RuSA part 2 click to Listen

History on RUSA Exposed
Follow the link below and read forward in time from this article

Common Sense

And for the record I personally resonate with Drake, David Wilcock, and Ben Fulford and many many others.... I have no gurus although I am sure grateful I have so many powerful friends :-)

Much love to us all!! :grouphug:

[turiya]

So, David Wilcock, Drake and Ben Fulford Walk Into A Bar

Bartender: Hey guys! You are famous! I've been following all of you on the internet. I can't wait until these mass arrests to begin.

Drake: Thank you barkeep. You know I'm the real deal because David Wilcock vetted me.

Bartender: Yes, I saw that. Anyway when do you think the mass arrests will begin?

David Wilcock: They will begin right after Obama's two hour special where he'll introduce us all to aliens.

Bartender: Oh yeah, forgot all about that. Wasn't that scheduled for 2009?

Ben Fulford: Yes, it was, but the evil cabal are sneaky. So things are on standby. But not for long. Shhhhhss.... don't look now, but there are 6 millions ninjas just lurking in the shadows ready to pounce.

Drake: Yup, and they are working with our guys over at the Pentagon. Any moment now, it's ALL going down.

David Wilcock: How about a round of drinks bartender.

Bartender: Ok, how about a round of Shillcockerys, a new drink I developed based on all your hard work.

Ben Fulford: What are those?

Bartender: There right in front of you.

Drake: C'mon man I don't see anything.

Bartender: That's right, they are Shillcockerys. The first fully ascended beverages into 5d. Just trust me when I say they are there. They are just vibrating at a frequency that is too high for you to percieve. But yeah, they are there and they are damn tasty. Try them.

Bartender: That will be $35 for that round. Hey these 5d drinks aren't cheap.


Tim Turner: Barkeep, just put those drinks on my tab. You know I have the Gold & the backing of the Military and make mine a double!

Teri Hinkle: Hey boys, wanna buy a lady a drink?

Tim Turner: I sure would. Where is she?


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[turiya]

From the Comments section:

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/turiya_file/Comment_to_Freedomizer_Allegation.jpg

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Kimberley, my friend. Tim turner et al are not just fundamentalist Christians. They are extremists. Their American Ranger program--there is an actual recording of one of their calls--think this could be considered evidence :-) Where they are talking about how to deal with Moslems, Buddhists, Atheists...oh and New Ager people. To sum it up: give them an opportunity to renounce any of it BEFORE citizenship in The Republic is granted. If they won't, they cant be made a citizen.

I heard it myself. I almost passed out from the sheer feeling of the possiblity. What I know is that I have friends still in the republic who are not like this. But the top "dudes" are extremists. Most of the people I have met that are still in it, or not, but they are hypnotized by "The is God's work" and God has asked me to do this" from TT.

I just had to share this. I am not a fundamentalist Christian as I am sure you all know, but I didn't question this until Drake came along because I trusted a friend of my very high up in the Republic and never bothered to question TT. Teri has hard core evidence...




The only thing that needs to be done is for Drake to re-examine his relationship with Teri Hinkle.

Teri Hinkle's motive, as I have said all along here, is to create division amongst the patriots that want to restore a Republic form of government.

It can be reasoned that Teri Hinkle, in a way, is actually working for the de facto USG - to help prolong this control mechanism from falling on its face. If she was indeed working for a company that was into creating wall street related internet ponzi schemes, then that is a contradictory role, a role that is opposite to the role that she is playing on Freedomizer radio.



First of all my friends please be sure to do your own research on these matters. Do not trust me or anyone else... I do my own research all the time. And I want all following this thread to be clear about something... Teri Hinkle was a member of the Turner group and was "ejected from this imaginary republic – for asking questions and telling the truth."

TURIYA is obviously here to continue attaching Teri Hinkle.

Also I want you to be aware that the Turner group is also aligned with fundamentalist Christian beliefs. I am not judging any of this just stating the facts.

**************************

Check out this page on the Freedomreigns.us web site : http://freedomreignsusa.blogspot.com/p/rusa-exposed.html And go to this page to be able to click on the links in this below paste of the page.


RUSA Exposed

Restore America Plan. Sounds good, doesn't it? Restored America - called Republic of the united States of America. They were called RAP and RuSA. RAP - was a trap and RuSA is a ruse. In the words the host, co-host, and guest for programs on this subject and its puppet so-called president, it's the most carefully black op from the dark side that they have seen. A whole lot of people who listen to Freedom Reigns have been part of it - and some are still part of it.



Teri Hinkle was among the first to be ejected from this imaginary republic – for asking questions and telling the truth. As such, she became a target for lies, and a magnet for others who woke up to the truth about it. Since then, one of her reasons for living has been to inform others who are still involved with – nothing at best – a scam at worst. She has gathered a huge repository of information about this plan that was designed to fail, and the republic that lives only in la-la land – destined to become a cult if it survives at all. She unrolls the story – and lets Mr. Turner bury himself in his own lies – in his own voice – on these programs. Thank you, Teri – for your tireless efforts and your love for others.


Integration Committee click to Listen
Texas Issue click to Listen
The Truth of the Origins of TRAP/RuSA click to Listen
The Truth of the Origins of TRAP/RuSA part 2 click to Listen

History on RUSA Exposed
Follow the link below and read forward in time from this article

Common Sense

And for the record I personally resonate with Drake, David Wilcock, and Ben Fulford and many many others.... I have no gurus although I am sure grateful I have so many powerful friends :-)

Much love to us all!! :grouphug:

[Lost N Found]

Turiya, You appear to continue to wallow in your hate for Teri Hinkle and you push that hatred forth on other folks on PA. You have stated that you were part of the Timmy Turner group but then you backed away from that because of some religious issues. You have continued to foster this hate and it eminates from you most of the time you comment. I know in my heart that you have a positive side but it is hard for me to see you continue with this hate.

I for one was also involved with the Turner stuff and began to see that something did not seem right so I found another road to explore. I know alot of folks that are still involved with Turner and they are very good folks. I will not condemn them for what they are doing but I will and have tried to give them some different sides to look at. Some will and some won't and I will still love them.

So as you continue to pull all of that negative energy into yourself it will do nothing but emanate back from you. I ask only this, could you please stop dwelling on the hate for Teri or anyone else and try looking at the better things in life for your sake.



Love transcends all

[turiya]

Your interpretation is tainted. Please take off the rose colored glasses that you have apparently wrapped around your way of thinking. I have no hate for anyone. I am simply providing a balanced view on this subject. Now, if you continue to attack me in this way, I will file a complaint like I have done with Paul.
Best regards
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Turiya, You appear to continue to wallow in your hate for Teri Hinkle and you push that hatred forth on other folks on PA. You have stated that you were part of the Timmy Turner group but then you backed away from that because of some religious issues. You have continued to foster this hate and it eminates from you most of the time you comment. I know in my heart that you have a positive side but it is hard for me to see you continue with this hate.

I for one was also involved with the Turner stuff and began to see that something did not seem right so I found another road to explore. I know alot of folks that are still involved with Turner and they are very good folks. I will not condemn them for what they are doing but I will and have tried to give them some different sides to look at. Some will and some won't and I will still love them.

So as you continue to pull all of that negative energy into yourself it will do nothing but emanate back from you. I ask only this, could you please stop dwelling on the hate for Teri or anyone else and try looking at the better things in life for your sake.



Love transcends all

[Kimberley]

Kimberley, my friend. Tim turner et al are not just fundamentalist Christians. They are extremists. Their American Ranger program--there is an actual recording of one of their calls--think this could be considered evidence :-) Where they are talking about how to deal with Moslems, Buddhists, Atheists...oh and New Ager people. To sum it up: give them an opportunity to renounce any of it BEFORE citizenship in The Republic is granted. If they won't, they cant be made a citizen.

I heard it myself. I almost passed out from the sheer feeling of the possiblity. What I know is that I have friends still in the republic who are not like this. But the top "dudes" are extremists. Most of the people I have met that are still in it, or not, but they are hypnotized by "The is God's work" and God has asked me to do this" from TT.

I just had to share this. I am not a fundamentalist Christian as I am sure you all know, but I didn't question this until Drake came along because I trusted a friend of my very high up in the Republic and never bothered to question TT. Teri has hard core evidence...




The only thing that needs to be done is for Drake to re-examine his relationship with Teri Hinkle.

Teri Hinkle's motive, as I have said all along here, is to create division amongst the patriots that want to restore a Republic form of government.

It can be reasoned that Teri Hinkle, in a way, is actually working for the de facto USG - to help prolong this control mechanism from falling on its face. If she was indeed working for a company that was into creating wall street related internet ponzi schemes, then that is a contradictory role, a role that is opposite to the role that she is playing on Freedomizer radio.



First of all my friends please be sure to do your own research on these matters. Do not trust me or anyone else... I do my own research all the time. And I want all following this thread to be clear about something... Teri Hinkle was a member of the Turner group and was "ejected from this imaginary republic – for asking questions and telling the truth."

TURIYA is obviously here to continue attaching Teri Hinkle.

Also I want you to be aware that the Turner group is also aligned with fundamentalist Christian beliefs. I am not judging any of this just stating the facts.

**************************


I just found this... Yvonne & all.. just for the record ... fundamentalist Christians are all extremists according to my definition. I was part of that group 45 years ago when I was in high school (against my will)...However I learned so very much that I am so grateful to have learned at a young age.

Also I see that this thread started to get into staying way from big pharma so if you have not seen this thread that I started I highly recommend it :-)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43560-IMPORTANT-How-Statin-Drugs-REALLY-Lower-Cholesterol--And-Kill-You-One-Cell-at-a-Time-&p=464857&viewfull=1#post464857

Much love!!

[ThePythonicCow]

Turiya, You appear to continue to wallow in your hate for Teri Hinkle and you push that hatred forth on other folks on PA.


Now, if you continue to attack me in this way, I will file a complaint like I have done with Paul.

eyeswideopen - I suspect what TURIYA means here is not that he filed a complain against you with me, but rather that he filed a complaint against me with one or more other mods or admins.

[Lost N Found]

Turiya, You appear to continue to wallow in your hate for Teri Hinkle and you push that hatred forth on other folks on PA.


Now, if you continue to attack me in this way, I will file a complaint like I have done with Paul.

eyeswideopen - I suspect what TURIYA means here is not that he filed a complain against you with me, but rather that he filed a complaint against me with one or more other mods or admins.

Thank you paul, I figured my point was proven so I find no further need to discuss this subject with Turiya. As for contrary views, that is perfectly fine and should be done.

Thank you again.

[turiya]

You are only partially correct, Kimberley.

With your assumption regarding me is not so. But some things are not so obvious. I am not here to so much attack Teri Hinkle. I am certainly not attacking anyone here. On the contrary, I am the one that is continually attacked by you (i.e. as part of the masses). I am basically here to warn you all of the other wolves that have entered the scene that are wearing the clothes of sheep. I am here as that horsefly that Socrates had spoken about that sits on the back of the horse that constantly causes the horse to keep moving its tail, to keep swishing to keep me off its back. The presence of the fly keeps the horse from falling asleep.

I may appear as a disturbance to many because I choose to not accept so easily the spin created by Hinkle that most here have so readily accepted as gospel. Yes, you can call it gospel, you can even call it by what it is better known as - gossip. Either way it is accepted and 'believed' in as being truth.

Extremism is something not confined only to religious belief, but belief in anything can become extreme.

To me, Tim Turner is an honorable man. I submit that the biggest mistake he made was to publicly say he was receiving instructions from god. Even if he has been receiving instructions from god, then, in no way should he said this to others, especially in a public venue. This is something he should have known about, because history has clearly shown that the masses will not tolerate such a person.

The same results have come to all those that have said such things in the past. This is because too many egos are hurt when someone makes such a statement. The history is full of the masses having tortured, crucified, poisoned & murdered such people in the past for making similar statements.

In this regard, Teri Hinkle & Drake are no different. They are attacking him more because of this reason than anything else, imo. All the other so-called "evidence" is created as dressing on a cake, just spun into a fictitious story in an attempt to crucify this man.

The masses are so easily manipulated.


fundamentalist Christians are all extremists
Correct you are. fundamentalism is extreme. This is to say that it is not always such a bad thing. Sometimes extreme measures are needed to incite the sleeping masses into awakening, from being lulled to sleep & making the public at large aware. Its been the Christian extremists that have persistently been at the forefront of challenging the over bloating of government from usurping the unalienable rights from the American people. Look at the Montana Freeman. Look at the early tax protesters of the early 90s. Look at those that had their farm land stolen away from them by the banksters, and by the government through the IRS. Search the story of Darryl Freck. I will make it easy for you. There are (3)three parts:

The Darryl Freck Story:
Part 1: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1669159
Part 2: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1669160
Part 3: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1669161

The masses are so easily manipulated. The belief that cholesterol is bad is just another manipulation that the masses have swallowed.

"‘Have you ever wondered why eggs contain so much cholesterol? It is because it takes one hell of a lot of cholesterol to make a chicken.'
(Dr Malcolm Kendrick, The Great Cholesterol Con).

The same applies to you. If your mother did not have sufficient cholesterol when you were conceived, you would not be here.

Cholesterol is one of the most important substances the body produces. It is manufactured in the liver and is needed by every single cell of the body – and brain cells in particular – every single second of the day. If your cholesterol levels drop, you begin to have organ failure, elastic tissue problems and memory loss as well as depression, and if the level drops too low, aggression, suicidal tendencies and, ultimately, death."
From: http://s155220804.websitehome.co.uk/thomas-chris-i-cant-believe-its-not-cholesterol-april-2007-a348.html




Kimberley, my friend. Tim turner et al are not just fundamentalist Christians. They are extremists. Their American Ranger program--there is an actual recording of one of their calls--think this could be considered evidence :-) Where they are talking about how to deal with Moslems, Buddhists, Atheists...oh and New Ager people. To sum it up: give them an opportunity to renounce any of it BEFORE citizenship in The Republic is granted. If they won't, they cant be made a citizen.

I heard it myself. I almost passed out from the sheer feeling of the possiblity. What I know is that I have friends still in the republic who are not like this. But the top "dudes" are extremists. Most of the people I have met that are still in it, or not, but they are hypnotized by "The is God's work" and God has asked me to do this" from TT.

I just had to share this. I am not a fundamentalist Christian as I am sure you all know, but I didn't question this until Drake came along because I trusted a friend of my very high up in the Republic and never bothered to question TT. Teri has hard core evidence...




The only thing that needs to be done is for Drake to re-examine his relationship with Teri Hinkle.

Teri Hinkle's motive, as I have said all along here, is to create division amongst the patriots that want to restore a Republic form of government.

It can be reasoned that Teri Hinkle, in a way, is actually working for the de facto USG - to help prolong this control mechanism from falling on its face. If she was indeed working for a company that was into creating wall street related internet ponzi schemes, then that is a contradictory role, a role that is opposite to the role that she is playing on Freedomizer radio.



First of all my friends please be sure to do your own research on these matters. Do not trust me or anyone else... I do my own research all the time. And I want all following this thread to be clear about something... Teri Hinkle was a member of the Turner group and was "ejected from this imaginary republic – for asking questions and telling the truth."

TURIYA is obviously here to continue attaching Teri Hinkle.

Also I want you to be aware that the Turner group is also aligned with fundamentalist Christian beliefs. I am not judging any of this just stating the facts.

**************************


I just found this... Yvonne & all.. just for the record ... fundamentalist Christians are all extremists according to my definition. I was part of that group 45 years ago when I was in high school (against my will)...However I learned so very much that I am so grateful to have learned at a young age.

Also I see that this thread started to get into staying way from big pharma so if you have not seen this thread that I started I highly recommend it :-)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43560-IMPORTANT-How-Statin-Drugs-REALLY-Lower-Cholesterol--And-Kill-You-One-Cell-at-a-Time-&p=464857&viewfull=1#post464857

Much love!!

[ThePythonicCow]

Well .. my post here belongs on the "Drake and Teri - a contrary view. " thread, as it is contrary to what Drake is saying, such as here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=475060#post475060) and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more&p=475241&viewfull=1#post475241).

But my view is way out in left field compared to what's above on this thread :).

I'm listening to Drake in the audio (my first link just above) and I'm figuring that:

Drake's a stooge for the bastards in power.
They intend to make a shift in the monetary system.
The international currency exchange value of the US Dollar will weaken - to perhaps a third or a half.
The world's "reserve currency" will shift from the US Dollar to some IMF or BIS construct.
They want us uppidity Americans who might have been following this to stay calm.
They know running out of essentials like food is an excellent motivator of riots, so they are suggesting stocking up on food and whatever one might need over a short period.
Some well known names in American finance and politics who are no longer needed will be phased out (the so called "arrests").
The US military will be tasked, by the bastards in power, to impose such Martial Law as necessary (but they will not call it that, nor order it from the White House or Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff, downward.)
TURIYA, perhaps unwittingly, is serving the role of "opposition to Drake", to make those posting contrary views ("Mooo :)") look foolish or to bury them in noise over some concocted Teri flap.

[Avocadess]

Paul: Are you saying this just to cheer me up?! :eek:

Let me ask: What is a stooge? Is that someone who knows he is being a stooge or who doesn't know he is being a stooge? I still have high hopes he is neither, but I just want to know what you are thinking in that regard.

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul: Are you saying this just to cheer me up?! :eek:

Let me ask: What is a stooge? Is that someone who knows he is being a stooge or who doesn't know he is being a stooge? I still have high hopes he is neither, but I just want to know what you are thinking in that regard.
Your avatar has the cheeriest smile of just about anyone here ... I'd be hard pressed to improve on that :).

Drake seems pretty smart ... both in the way he sounds to me, and in what Vivek has researched. So I suspect he's aware, from some perspective, of what he's doing.

I don't trust him.

[Alie]

Well .. my post here belongs on the "Drake and Teri - a contrary view. " thread, as it is contrary to what Drake is saying, such as here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=475060#post475060) and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more&p=475241&viewfull=1#post475241).

But my view is way out in left field compared to what's above on this thread :).

I'm listening to Drake in the audio (my first link just above) and I'm figuring that:

Drake's a stooge for the bastards in power.
They intend to make a shift in the monetary system.
The international currency exchange value of the US Dollar will weaken - to perhaps a third or a half.
The world's "reserve currency" will shift from the US Dollar to some IMF or BIS construct.
They want us uppidity Americans who might have been following this to stay calm.
They know running out of essentials like food is an excellent motivator of riots, so they are suggesting stocking up on food and whatever one might need over a short period.
Some well known names in American finance and politics who are no longer needed will be phased out (the so called "arrests").
The US military will be tasked, by the bastards in power, to impose such Martial Law as necessary.
TURIYA, perhaps unwittingly, is serving the role of "opposition to Drake", to make those posting contrary views ("Mooo :)") look foolish or to bury them in noise over some concocted Teri flap.


Everyone is wondering and getting edgy since the "shoe dropping" is taking longer than we thought AND we really don't know what the "shoe" is, so the unknown is a factor too.

However, I think it boils down to vetting. We can't possibly do it so we have to rely on others that have a history of doing it with success. That is the only reality we have to work with, and it is with risks as well. So it boils down to David Wilcock, the Radio Stations that are interviewing Drake, the Freedom Reigns Website and if there's anyone else that we don't know about who are either good guys with good vetting procedures or bad guys who are perpetrating the lie.

I always go to the top and they are the ones who I'm looking to at the moment.

It also has to do with collaborative events, which is what Sabrina has been diligently working on for us and is bringing us significant news to consider.

So what you wrote makes sense, but I am choosing to believe in the possibility that what Drake is outlining will come to be.

The country is definitely going to implode IMHO anyway without these possible good events --- for me I've made peace to keep fighting for my health, wealth, family and life purpose. Drake's possible event is a dream that could change my life for the better and EVERYONE'S IN THE WORLD, but I can't count on anything or anyone but myself.

I like icing, though, especially german chocolate :)

[Dennis Leahy]

I Dennis T Leahy hereby bet Mr. Paul Moo Pythonic Cow:

If Paul wins the bet: Paul receives monies to buy 1 (one) gallon of raw milk
If Dennis wins the bet: Dennis receives monies to buy 1 (one) gallon almond milk

I bet that this is not a ploy directed by the International Banking Bastards (and that when it goes down, there will be no doubt.) My bet even includes the possibility Drake being fooled and manipulated, so Drake could even be sincere, but if it proves to be a ploy of the Bastards, Paul still wins.





They intend to make a shift in the monetary system.
The international currency exchange value of the US Dollar will weaken - to perhaps a third or a half.
The world's "reserve currency" will shift from the US Dollar to some IMF or BIS construct.

Sorry, my friend, if that's all they want to do, there is absolutely no one to stop them. They don't need Drake at all. There is a $700 trillion to $1.4 quadrillion (estimate span) derivatives bubble hanging over the entire world (via central banks.) That is their "9/11", their "new Pearl Harbor" for the next round of manipulation. The average upwardly-mobile, suit and necktie wearing executive in the US is totally clueless that the 2008 "financial crisis" was a 100% completely engineered scam. The next one will be no different (they will not catch on.) So, if they won't catch on, Joe Citizen has no chance.

The Bastards can spring the derivatives bubble pop - and off we all go into the financial vortex created by it. The only chance (other than a Dragon biting their heads off, or ETs handing out Reeses Pieces) is for the US to immediately pass the Monetary Reform Act (http://www.themoneymasters.com/monetary-reform-act/) * (or something similar) to protect the dollar, and warn our EU friends to immediately do the same (Europe is up to their eyebrows in the derivatives mess.)

I personally do not believe in ET intervention. I just have no indication other than believers that such a thing could occur. If they are here (and I suspect it, but have had no personal contact), they are watchers, not an intervention force. If they were here to intervene, they would have already intervened.

The Bastards own Congress, and (due to people ignoring The Reset Button), there is absolutely nothing in the pipeline to challenge or to stop them, and they will own Congress in 2013 when the Federal Reserve charter will be renewed. With meager US citizen uprising aimed at (basically) screaming at the castle walls, devoid of a plan to actually change anything, nothing will change (except a few hundred dissidents will be jailed and a few killed.) That will end the big public outcry of 2011/2012 with a few dull thuds and a whimper.

Some may say I'm giving the Bastards power, by saying they have power (even though the 'alternative' meme is that they are running scared and falling apart. I think they are sitting pretty comfortably, "owed" hundreds of trillions of dollars, sitting on massive piles of gold and silver and platinum and palladium, and until I actually SEE with my own 2 eyes that the US military forces (from underground and undersea to land and sea, to air, to space) are not under the direct control of the Bastards, I will not believe it.

So, a bizarre perspective from me, sensing that Drake is real and that there is a 'patriot' plan in play - and on the other hand having doubts that the majority of the military will go along with it. (Of course, I want to be wrong about that part.) But, I am confident enough in my intuition - after listening to Drake - to make that bet. So, are we on?

Dennis

*(Monetary Reform Act, but: default on the - at least - 40% of the debt that is interest payable to The Fed.)

[ThePythonicCow]

I Dennis T Leahy hereby bet Mr. Paul Moo Pythonic Cow:

If Paul wins the bet: Paul receives monies to buy 1 (one) gallon of raw milk
If Dennis wins the bet: Dennis receives monies to buy 1 (one) gallon almond milk


I don't usually bet, unless I'd enjoy losing :). In this case, I'd enjoy losing. Me and 7 billion of my closest friends.

But a couple of loose ends make the debt hard to decide.

What's the sell-by-date on this bet? If we're still hemming and hawing in the old folks home, decades into the future, with the forecasts of "any day now" still being made frequently, then when do we agree that it didn't happen as Drake and yourself, Dennis, are expecting?

Perhaps the harder question -- how do we determine, if something like this does go down, big time, whether it really is a major positive shift for humanity, or just another big con job in a nice looking wrapper.

[frozen alchemy]

My husband's father was a WWII vet and belonged to the local VWF. Every Christmas and Easter and Fourth of July we'd all take the kids and go over to the Post for an egg hunt or Santa Claus picture opportunity, or barbecue. And in the building sitting at the bar downing one beer after another, and smoking one cigarette after another (smoking was legal there and only there, no other bars or restaurants), would be a whole bunch of old guys who sounded just like Drake; Vets reliving their glory days, and acting like they were still important. They'd get drunker and drunker and start making vague passes at other people's wives, and then someone would drive them home... sorry, but if Drake has the ear of a lot of high-ups in the Pentagon, etc. why can't he stay on point in these radio programs? Why does he sound like my Uncle Orville the prevaricator?

[frozen alchemy]

Last month Ground Zero Radio reported on the Anniversary of probably one of the most witnessed UFO sightings in History. On March 13th, 1997 a mile long triangular shaped UFO was seen over Phoenix.

The massive airship had an array of lights in the back and a huge light in the front. While many witnesses phoned into the show from the Phoenix area confirming that what was seen was a giant flying platform, there were others who believed that what was seen was a holographic image of a large space ship.

This would mean that on that night, thousands of people were all part of a massive psy-op. There is circumstantial evidence that suggests that what was seen was part of an experiment called Project Blue Beam.


Oh, of course the Phoenix Lights were a hologram! When people didn't panic like they do in science fiction movies, they had to go back to the drawing board. Thinking about it now, they probably should have just put up a reasonable facsimile of Tupac up there. Woulda scared more people....

[Dennis Leahy]

I Dennis T Leahy hereby bet Mr. Paul Moo Pythonic Cow:

If Paul wins the bet: Paul receives monies to buy 1 (one) gallon of raw milk
If Dennis wins the bet: Dennis receives monies to buy 1 (one) gallon almond milk


I don't usually bet, unless I'd enjoy losing :). In this case, I'd enjoy losing. Me and 7 billion of my closest friends.

But a couple of loose ends make the debt hard to decide.

What's the sell-by-date on this bet? If we're still hemming and hawing in the old folks home, decades into the future, with the forecasts of "any day now" still being made frequently, then when do we agree that it didn't happen as Drake and yourself, Dennis, are expecting?

Perhaps the harder question -- how do we determine, if something like this does go down, big time, whether it really is a major positive shift for humanity, or just another big con job in a nice looking wrapper.

The date's a little tricky, but I'm not trying to duck anything. As I mentioned elsewhere, if I were employed in psyops on this, I'd announce a firm date or range (as Drake was told to do)... then I'd let that date pass... and would make up my own timeframe to spring it. If you want to press me, I'll agree to the 3rd week of May, which was the end of the 45 day window (even though, like I said, I don't hold team Drake to that date and applaud them if they use a psyop on the Bastards.) I'm personally giving them, oh, say... 90 to 100 days after the 45 day time window. If it does not happen by then, Drake goes on the shelf with the GFL.

If you say the date given by Drake should be the end date for the bet, and I lose, and the Plan happens a bit later, I will simply chuckle and hope you enjoyed the moo juice.

As to how we will know, I would say the PNAC crew that planned 9/11 will be among those arrested. So, I would look for the big names we are familiar with in PNAC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century) (William Kristol, Dov S. Zakheim, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, et al) to be arrested. If none of those names are on the list of those arrested, and the list is just a handful of some banking Vice-Presidents as patsies, then I would think you nailed it (and they will get presidential pardons.)

I have a feeling we will be told Obama is a good guy who was operating under threat of family torture and death, and he will get off. I still would not believe it, however.
So anyway, those arrested would have to be very high up the chain of command to appear to be a believable sweep. If the Clintons and Poppy Bush are not on the list, I would also not trust the integrity of the operation.

Dennis

{edit} oh, how could I forget Geithner, Blankfein, Bernake, and other slithering creatures in high finance.

[Hervé]

Their modified "Blue Beam" project, since "Disclosure" didn't happen:


[...]



The "war" will get the Revelationists and other religions into an uproar about the "end of the world" as foretold in Revelations, the Bible Book. To further scare everyone, there will also be threats of the use of Atomic, Biological, and Chemical weapons - though none will be used (except maybe secretly or accidentally as they are being used today).

At this time the whole world will be in fear and confusion and looking for a "stable datum". Markabian political leaders will press for more "controls and emergency measures". Freedoms still existing will be abrogated. The Markabian World Bankers will fluctuate currencies wildly. The media will cry "doom" but advise everyone to "be calm". The One-World Police State will arrive and even be welcomed by those who have learned to desire control and conformity. Yet there will still be war and unrest and fear.

Then the "stable datum" will appear - as a communication from an extra-terrestrial civilization (Markab) offering friendship, peace, new technology, trade, and economic and political alignment.

The above from 1983... Can anyone equate this with "their" "Disclosure?"

(Replace "Markab/ians" with "Anunnaki/Lizzies" and you get the modern days description of the same)

Then:



The Third World War
230284 1130 GMT OTB UK
The Third World War (WW III) is now in full action. It has been going on for many years - skirmishes, guerilla actions, and small isolated pitched battles, with clandestine operations of large and small scale constantly being carried out.

You won't read about this war in the newspapers or see it on television, because the Press and TV are being used as weapons in it.

Other weapons include drugs, radiation, computers, chemicals, microbes, propaganda, viruses, pollution, carcinogens, political sideshows, and the threats of use of atomic and hydrogen bombs.

Weapons that are very effective are economic pressure, taxation, and insidious substitution of real values with paper, cards and electrons.

Blackmail, peer-group pressure, conformity, and status orientation are powerful weaponry also.

Added to the exoteric are several esoteric devices or weapons for use in WW III which include covert invalidation, subliminal pictures on TV, psychiatric recommendations, depressants, hallucinogens, electric shock, tepaphones, intention projectors, -biological energy field restimulators and decay producers, and direct spiritual telepathic attack methods.

You and every person on Earth are in this war whether you like it or not, whether you agree or not, whether you believe it exists or not.

It is the WAR FOR THE CONTROL OF MEN'S MINDS.


... from 1984 (the year, but it might as well be the book).

I am with Paul on that one since "Drake" is still allowed to be yapping around... the clones of the bad guys will be "arrested" (like in the case of Saddam Hussein) and in the mix, the real opponents, the ones no one expected to be part of those bad guys, will be executed...

So, real caution is to be advised here in discerning what is actually taking place.

[ThePythonicCow]

The date's a little tricky, ...

As to how we will know, I would say the PNAC crew that planned 9/11 will be among those arrested. ...

So, getting specific and putting words in your mouth ... if five out of nineteen of Bill Clinton, Barrack Obama, George H W Bush, George W Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Dick Cheney, Timothy Geithner, Henry (Hank) Paulson, Ben Bernanke, Jamie Dimon (JPMorgan), Lloyd Blankfein (Goldman), Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski, David Rockefeller, Jacob Rothschild, the Catholic Pope or the Queen of England are arrested for 9/11, financial or other major high crimes and treason, by September 30, 2012, then I owe you the almond milk funding, else you owe me the moo juice funding?

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{edit} oh, how could I forget Geithner, Blankfein, Bernake, and other slithering creatures in high finance.

I added these names to my list before noticing that you had as well ... we're thinking alike.

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So, real caution is to be advised here in discerning what is actually taking place.

Yeah, sadly.

[Dennis Leahy]

The date's a little tricky, ...

As to how we will know, I would say the PNAC crew that planned 9/11 will be among those arrested. ...

So, getting specific and putting words in your mouth ... if five out of nineteen of Bill Clinton, Barrack Obama, George H W Bush, George W Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Dick Cheney, Timothy Geithner, Henry (Hank) Paulson, Ben Bernanke, Jamie Dimon (JPMorgan), Lloyd Blankfein (Goldman), Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski, David Rockefeller, Jacob Rothschild, the Catholic Pope or the Queen of England are arrested for 9/11, financial or other major high crimes and treason, by September 30, 2012, then I owe you the almond milk funding, else you owe me the moo juice funding?

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{edit} oh, how could I forget Geithner, Blankfein, Bernake, and other slithering creatures in high finance.

I added these names to my list before noticing that you had as well ... we're thinking alike.

Yeah, sounds reasonable. I don't see 5 throwaway scapegoat/patsies on your list. We have us a bet! (And I know you well enough to know that you would be thrilled to lose this bet.)

:~)

Dennis

[ThePythonicCow]

Yeah, sounds reasonable. I don't see 5 throwaway scapegoat/patsies on your list. We have us a bet! (And I know you well enough to know that you would be thrilled to lose this bet.)
Indeed - we have a bet, and I look forward to contributing to your almond milk habit :).

[mountain_jim]

Brilliant post Dennis and that's where I come down - until the Truth is out about 9/11 and the murdering criminals are arrested for that, all else is just window-dressing.

And Bush Sr should be arrested for being involved in just about every bad thing that's happened since the plan to remove JFK was activated.

[Mozart]

Yeah, sounds reasonable. I don't see 5 throwaway scapegoat/patsies on your list. We have us a bet! (And I know you well enough to know that you would be thrilled to lose this bet.)
Indeed - we have a bet, and I look forward to contributing to your almond milk habit :).


Well, Paul and Dennis, I have followed your bets with interest. I used to be a professional bettor, so if I were to give this bet odds, I'd put it this way:

Dennis (5 out of the aforementioned jackasses out of 19 to be arrested prior to Sept 30, 2012).......... -300

Paul (ditto above, but after Sept 30, 2012)....................................................................................... + 270


So that means that if one were to put a $100 bet on Dennis' outcome, one would get only about a $133 return, for a total profit of only $33.


And if one were to place a $100 bet on Paul's outcome, one get a return of about $270, for a profit of $170.


So, in other words, the odds are about three times higher for Dennis' outcome to happen than Paul's outcome.


I'm willing to bet a whole case of raw milk on having 15 out of those aforementioned 19 bastards to be arrested. Any takers?


I love raw milk!


~Mozart

[YvonneG]

Reply to Paul...I didn't want to repost your post.

Have you spoken to any of the people in the states who ACTUALLY KNOW DRAKE AND ACTUALLY WERE SIGNERS IN THE PAPERWORK?

IT is so much more believable that AMERICANS are finally going to carry a plan...any plan to end this insanity in this country and around the world.

On what exactly do you base your "opinion"...I see nothing approaching a fact, Paul. With all due respect. I say approaching, because not a one of us knows all the "facts". But there small ones, like the people working with Drake, several of whom I now know personally because I am doing some work for them.

These are people who have lived a lot, who have been ACTUALLY fighting for our freedom in the courts, not just posting on a forum like the rest of us (i include myself), who have risked their lives in different ways. They have been working with Drake for months. They understand common law and the rest of it because they have working with it for years. These are real people. It is possible THEY were dooped? What about the actual paperwork? It is their paperwork...NOT Drake's.

Anyone can have a million contrary opinions and if Drake were asking to sign something or place our finger prints on something like the Republic does, but so many suppositions, I just have yet to understand. Drake is simply asking us, and this is really terrible right? to prepare, to store food, to take care of our neighbors, telling the Militia to be on alert, if any "portion" of the military still is loyal to the Banksters, to take action. Really terrible stuff?

And I don't believe Drake! I believe in us, as humans as free Americans, a people who have had enough. And if he were stooge, well, why would he be so stupid (not that I think he is) to bring up the ET stuff and all of that, which is turning people off that refuse to have an open mind. And it is a lot of people. I have a cousin who saw a "flying saucer" in her yard and she told me in one breath and the next breath went back to the previous conversation. It did not change her. But such an unlikely person to see one and then tell it and not be phased by it, solidified the belief in that we are surely not alone. BUT i know folks in the militia forum are very turned off.

Why would he want to turn people off if he were a stooge? Or could it be that he doesn't care, that he just wants to say what he believe or knows to be true?

What I believe and this is my opinion, is that many people can't see with an open-mind. They have already made of their minds. Cliff High is looking at whateever he looks, in terms of the "conversations" on the internet. I have always felt Cliff see too much on the negative side and fear, and then I wonder why. Well, here is my 2 cents. Cliff is NOT seeing the whole world, or the unseen world, he is picking up what is coming through the internet.

I don't think our friends upstairs are using the internet for starters. And everyone, everyone including me has a bias.
I have a friend who psychic and picks up things and then tells me people all of that. Well, the other day she picked up her son was dying. Yea, well guess what he didn't die, but she sure had several days of a lot of fear and I watched her go through.

I was not going to post here anymore, but Paul placed a link to this in the other thread and I want to post "my contrary" view which is based on a little more than opinion in some small way.

My last words, just prepare.

[ThePythonicCow]

Well, Paul and Dennis, I have followed your bets with interest. I used to be a professional bettor, so if I were to give this bet odds, I'd put it this way:

Dennis (5 out of the aforementioned jackasses out of 19 to be arrested prior to Sept 30, 2012).......... -300

Paul (ditto above, but after Sept 30, 2012)....................................................................................... + 270


So that means that if one were to put a $100 bet on Dennis' outcome, one would get only about a $130 return, for a total profit of only $30.


And if one were to place a $100 bet on Paul's outcome, one get a return of about $370, for a profit of $270.

I can see how one can get from the "+270" to the profit of $270.

But I have no clue (never having been a professional bettor or anything close) how one can get from "-300" to a profit of $30. Can you explain?

[Bill Ryan]

I'm willing to bet a whole case of raw milk on having 15 out of those aforementioned 19 bastards to be arrested. Any takers?

~Mozart

I'll up the stakes. If they are arrested, I'll eat my hat and post it on YouTube. (To get it down, I'd mix it in a blender with raw milk. I love raw milk too.) :)

Translation: Nothing of this kind will happen. Wilcock is being taken for a ride, although he's normally pretty smart. It's disinfo, folks. Joel Skousen called it the other day talking to Alex Jones. It's a distracting sideshow. There are very serious issues in the world and (as with Elenin, 11-11-11, etc etc last year), your attention is being diverted.

[Mozart]

I'll up the stakes. If they are arrested, I'll eat my hat and post it on YouTube. (To get it down, I'd mix it in a blender with raw milk. I love raw milk too.) :)




Hey Bill!


Long-time, no-see, bro!


You are on with this bet!


How are you doing, btw? Ok, I hope.


I want to thank you for providing us such an awesome forum with which we can communicate with each other with such great abilities to create custom posts exactly the way we want them to appear.


~Mozart

[Carmody]

I'm willing to bet a whole case of raw milk on having 15 out of those aforementioned 19 bastards to be arrested. Any takers?

~Mozart

I'll up the stakes. If they are arrested, I'll eat my hat and post it on YouTube. (To get it down, I'd mix it in a blender with raw milk. I love raw milk too.) :)

Translation: Nothing of this kind will happen. Wilcock is being taken for a ride, although he's normally pretty smart. It's disinfo, folks. Joel Skousen called it the other day talking to Alex Jones. It's a distracting sideshow. There are very serious issues in the world and (as with Elenin, 11-11-11, etc etc last year), your attention is being diverted.

They have to mislead you.

The movements always begin in the alternative leading edge of things, regarding the genesis of such things, such movements such ideas.

So, David Wilcock and others are the natural and correct target for being fed disinformation.

The more one 'comes up' (into prominence) in such areas, meaning the more one comes to being in influence in these areas of social and cultural genesis/unfolding.... the more one is a target for being fed disinfo so it can be propagated.

These are facts, this is how it is done and has been done, for ages.

Sit down and think it through, folks.

[WHOMADEGOD]

I'm willing to bet a whole case of raw milk on having 15 out of those aforementioned 19 bastards to be arrested. Any takers?

~Mozart

I'll up the stakes. If they are arrested, I'll eat my hat and post it on YouTube. (To get it down, I'd mix it in a blender with raw milk. I love raw milk too.) :)

Translation: Nothing of this kind will happen. Wilcock is being taken for a ride, although he's normally pretty smart. It's disinfo, folks. Joel Skousen called it the other day talking to Alex Jones. It's a distracting sideshow. There are very serious issues in the world and (as with Elenin, 11-11-11, etc etc last year), your attention is being diverted.


Distracted from what please Bill?

[Fred Steeves]

I'll up the stakes. If they are arrested, I'll eat my hat and post it on YouTube. (To get it down, I'd mix it in a blender with raw milk. I love raw milk too.) :)


Surely a formal fork and knife setting would be more fitting Bill, should this long shot actually occur. Might I recommend a lemon pepper and vinegrette marinade before hand?

[Mozart]

I can see how one can get from the "+270" to the profit of $270.

But I have no clue (never having been a professional bettor or anything close) how one can get from "-300" to a profit of $30. Can you explain?




My bad, Paul. The profit is $170, not $270. I'm a bit rusty.


So the -300 = a 75% chance of it happening.


The +270 = a 27% chance of it happening.


So the betting gods use a standard of betting $100 to determine the payout rates, so if something has only a 27% chance of happening, then the betting gods (Las Vegas) puts the odds at -300, which, with a $100 bet, pays out only $33.


It's rather convoluted about how they do things, but that's how they do it.


I hope that this can clear things up a bit.


~Mozart

[Chester]

I'm willing to bet a whole case of raw milk on having 15 out of those aforementioned 19 bastards to be arrested. Any takers?

~Mozart

I'll up the stakes. If they are arrested, I'll eat my hat and post it on YouTube. (To get it down, I'd mix it in a blender with raw milk. I love raw milk too.) :)

Translation: Nothing of this kind will happen. Wilcock is being taken for a ride, although he's normally pretty smart. It's disinfo, folks. Joel Skousen called it the other day talking to Alex Jones. It's a distracting sideshow. There are very serious issues in the world and (as with Elenin, 11-11-11, etc etc last year), your attention is being diverted.

Thanks Bill - I highly respect your view.

The big question for me now is this - Is Drake in on it or not. I hope you will weigh in on that one.

thanks justoneman

[ThePythonicCow]

Distracted from what please Bill?
My guess, in a word, tyranny (yes, I'm no Bill), including further consolidation by the bastards in power of their stranglehold over the energy and monetary systems of the world, further destruction of or domination over any potentially independent local, regional or national governments and further loss of the basic freedoms of humanity.

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So the betting gods use a standard of betting $100 to determine the payout rates, so if something has only a 27% chance of happening, then the betting gods (Las Vegas) puts the odds at -300, which, with a $100 bet, pays out only $33.
How is that "-300" number calculated?

[Bill Ryan]

I'm willing to bet a whole case of raw milk on having 15 out of those aforementioned 19 bastards to be arrested. Any takers?

~Mozart

I'll up the stakes. If they are arrested, I'll eat my hat and post it on YouTube. (To get it down, I'd mix it in a blender with raw milk. I love raw milk too.) :)

Translation: Nothing of this kind will happen. Wilcock is being taken for a ride, although he's normally pretty smart. It's disinfo, folks. Joel Skousen called it the other day talking to Alex Jones. It's a distracting sideshow. There are very serious issues in the world and (as with Elenin, 11-11-11, etc etc last year), your attention is being diverted.


Distracted from what please Bill?





Nuclear false flag event in the US
Fukushima deterioration leading to significant radiation release
Global financial crisis and devaluation of the dollar
Possibility of major earthquake risk (Japan / US West Coast / New Madrid)
Major solar activity (1859-type event, but larger) with anticipated timing Dec 2012 -- Jan 2013.

[ulli]

The distraction is to pull people away from their real soul agenda
which is to become active members of strong energetic local communities.
Love one another is the answer, be informed, don't be naive, yet stick to those goals that are within reach.
Trust in the principle of goodness and live it with every breath.

[Kimberley]

It seems to me that this news today is worth posting here:

Charles Taylor, former Liberian president, found guilty of war crimes (+video)

Charles Taylor: A guilty verdict against the former Liberian president – including charges of murder, rape, use of child soldiers – sets precedent for holding sitting heads of state to account.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Keep-Calm/2012/0426/Charles-Taylor-former-Liberian-president-found-guilty-of-war-crimes-video

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And if you want to hear talk of what is going on from John Kettler's experience and perspective you can listen to my interview with him. I asked him what he thinks about the Drake information and he has changed his tune a bit in the direction that it could be possible...

We do not get to talking about Drake until about 80 minutes into the show.

The show is airing right now...it was an interview recorded on Tuesday. Below is the link to the interview however the archive will not be available until shortly after 2pm EST. The Drake part of the interview will be airing at about 1:15 EST

www.blogtalkradio.com/belovenow/2012/04/26/living-in-the-now-john-kettler

For the record I still believe we are victorious and the new earth is at hand...

I am looking forward to seeing Bill eat his hat :popcorn:

Much love to us all!! :grouphug:

[Unified Serenity]

It's a distraction to keep us yacking and immobile. The more we wait for change the further along the tyranny road they get. There will be a big push for gun grabs in the U.S.. We are so passive and so afraid to rock the boat, lose our jobs, go to jail that a majority of people will register their weapons. I expect there to be a heinous crime beyond belief that will give the media the story to run with to get the guns away from the people. I would not be surprised if there are house to house searches.

I also am expecting another 9/11 event to happen to launch us into a middle east limited nuclear exchange. There will be martial law, and moving of people to "safe zones". Oh, and let me not forget the collapse of the American Dollar beyond repair and a cashless society to stop bartering and ensure record keeping of all purchases.

It's going to get very interesting.

[Carmody]

I'm willing to bet a whole case of raw milk on having 15 out of those aforementioned 19 bastards to be arrested. Any takers?

~Mozart

I'll up the stakes. If they are arrested, I'll eat my hat and post it on YouTube. (To get it down, I'd mix it in a blender with raw milk. I love raw milk too.) :)

Translation: Nothing of this kind will happen. Wilcock is being taken for a ride, although he's normally pretty smart. It's disinfo, folks. Joel Skousen called it the other day talking to Alex Jones. It's a distracting sideshow. There are very serious issues in the world and (as with Elenin, 11-11-11, etc etc last year), your attention is being diverted.

They have to mislead you.

The movements always begin in the alternative leading edge of things, regarding the genesis of such things, such movements such ideas.

So, David Wilcock and others are the natural and correct target for being fed disinformation.

The more one 'comes up' (into prominence) in such areas, meaning the more one comes to being in influence in these areas of social and cultural genesis/unfolding.... the more one is a target for being fed disinfo so it can be propagated.

These are facts, this is how it is done and has been done, for ages.

Sit down and think it through, folks.

And the more you disrupt their plans, the more of a target you become.

Until you end up like my close friend's sister. She was involved in writing books on Pinochet, the CIA, and Kissinger, regarding Chile.

She was there in chile when it happened, and watched hundreds of people she knew..disappear and die. This is what drove her to get involved.

After surviving that, she moved around a bit, for years, and then she decided to go to the original homestead in the UK, and...write a book on the nuclear power industry.

She lasted a few months. She mysteriously died, alone... of a heart attack. No one in her family bloodlines has ever died of a heart attack at anywhere near her age.


The forum is emphatically NOT a toy you play with or a park you play in.

It is the genesis point of future trends and movements, among other things.

The people who surround these enterprises, the people who are the subjects of the discussions...those folks, all involved, who may be of, or come into any prominence...they are, eventually... major targets.

[gripreaper]

I'll up the stakes. If they are arrested, I'll eat my hat and post it on YouTube. (To get it down, I'd mix it in a blender with raw milk. I love raw milk too.) :)

Wow, you said that about NESARA too. Your hat is becoming quite the celebrity. I think you should auction it off right before the big arrests and create a distraction. Then, we would be so focused on watching the auction, we would forget all about your promise to eat your hat, or the arrests.

[Chester]

Distracted from what please Bill?
My guess, in a word, tyranny (yes, I'm no Bill), including further consolidation by the bastards in power of their stranglehold over the energy and monetary systems of the world, further destruction of or domination over any potentially independent local, regional or national governments and further loss of the basic freedoms of humanity.

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So the betting gods use a standard of betting $100 to determine the payout rates, so if something has only a 27% chance of happening, then the betting gods (Las Vegas) puts the odds at -300, which, with a $100 bet, pays out only $33.
How is that "-300" number calculated?

Mozart is using the America odds system which is based on 100 being the stake. For favorites, the stake amount is represented by a - sign and is always a larger number than the potential win amount.

Paul made the odds -300 thus you would risk 300 to win 100.

For the underdog you use 100 to represent the stake and in this case the price for the dog is +270 thus you risk 100 to win 270.

Mozart used 100 in his example for the stake for the Favorite, thus you would win only 33.33 for that stake.

What is interesting is that Mozart has a spread known as "the juice" in America. That spread is 30 cents here. Mozart, who gets the juice? hahaha

[WHOMADEGOD]

I'm willing to bet a whole case of raw milk on having 15 out of those aforementioned 19 bastards to be arrested. Any takers?

~Mozart

I'll up the stakes. If they are arrested, I'll eat my hat and post it on YouTube. (To get it down, I'd mix it in a blender with raw milk. I love raw milk too.) :)

Translation: Nothing of this kind will happen. Wilcock is being taken for a ride, although he's normally pretty smart. It's disinfo, folks. Joel Skousen called it the other day talking to Alex Jones. It's a distracting sideshow. There are very serious issues in the world and (as with Elenin, 11-11-11, etc etc last year), your attention is being diverted.


Distracted from what please Bill?





Nuclear false flag event in the US
Fukushima deterioration leading to significant radiation release
Global financial crisis and devaluation of the dollar
Possibility of major earthquake risk (Japan / US West Coast / New Madrid)
Major solar activity (1859-type event, but larger) with anticipated timing Dec 2012 -- Jan 2013.


WOW, thats a lot of fear inducing thoughts to process, thanks Bill!

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Im bored with being scared.

[ThePythonicCow]

Im bored with being scared.
I'm busy preparing ... have been for several years.

That's the essential reason I'm here on this forum, rather than on some Linux Kernel Mailing List.

[Dennis Leahy]

I'm willing to bet a whole case of raw milk on having 15 out of those aforementioned 19 bastards to be arrested. Any takers?

~Mozart

I'll up the stakes. If they are arrested, I'll eat my hat and post it on YouTube. (To get it down, I'd mix it in a blender with raw milk. I love raw milk too.) :)

Translation: Nothing of this kind will happen. Wilcock is being taken for a ride, although he's normally pretty smart. It's disinfo, folks. Joel Skousen called it the other day talking to Alex Jones. It's a distracting sideshow. There are very serious issues in the world and (as with Elenin, 11-11-11, etc etc last year), your attention is being diverted.

Well, I got outfoxed by the wily Paul. My original statements (which I still hold to) are that

1.) I believe that Drake is convinced. He is telling the truth, as he knows it. That's either because it is true, or he has been led to believe it. If I am wrong about that, then my ability to judge sincerity/integrity in a recorded voice are so far off, no one (including me) should ever value my internal lie detector/BS detector.

2.) I believe there will be an attempt.

If I was smart, I would have stuck to that. But, I didn't and now the team that Drake speaks for has to greatly exceed "attempt" and make it all the way to "succeed" and succeed in such a way that would presume that I know those individuals will be arrested. Paul took candy from a baby when he upped the stakes, and I went for it. :~) Now, if the Plan is all real, and they do make an attempt at implementing the Plan, I still lose the bet (and appear to have been fooled, when that would not really be the case.)

A bet's a bet, and I'm in - but wanted to qualify that it is my internal lie detector that I am betting on, not information about the Plan that has been revealed.

Bill, I notice you've switched from a leather hat to a straw hat. Wise move, my friend, wise move.

I see absolutely nothing from which we have been distracted. That is, nothing we were just about to do that would have even slowed down the NWO machine.

I just spent 2 years trying to put together a way for US citizens to wrest control of US elections (and thus governance) away from the Global Cabal. So far, a big bowl of apathy. As the comedian's line goes, "We got nothin'." Distractions and diversions don't even matter when no one will drop the remote, get their ass off the couch and do anything. We have no Plan that we were distracted or diverted from. We (society) were distracted from "Dancing With The Stars" for a few minutes by Drake. When Drake's 15 minutes of fame (45 days) are over, if a Plan isn't executed, we'll go right back to "Dancing With The Stars" and discussing Kardooshian nail polish colors.

We are utterly reactive to whatever punches the Cabal throws. If we get a warning out to west coast US residents to get away from the coast from a deliberate tsunami (for example), a million might be saved (most won't budge), and the million we saved will just be killed a different way. Yep, I'm feeling helpless to be a great help to anyone but myself and my family. All these great minds and big hearts gathered together in the alternative community, and we cannot come up with a Plan? The best we can do is remain reactive? Sheesh.

Dennis

[aranuk]

Can I say something here? Bill, Paul, Carmody et al, you all speak as if there is no hope for us in this world we live in. According to what you say, the PTB have every angle covered. That seems to me to be a pesimistic outlook for the future, does it not? If David Wilcock, Ben Fulford and Drake are being targeted by TPTB this means that what they have been saying is true. TPTB want to stop them spreading the truth to the ordinary folks. Can you Bill, Paul,CArmody, Unified Serenity, et al, see any imminant future for the freedom of the people of this world?

I have this scene in my mind, there are a number of us in a jail somewhere, and there are some of us explaining that we heard from an old convict that there had been an attempt to escape from this prison. There are a number of us who would like to give it a go. There are others who speak to us who tell us that nobody has ever escaped this prison before as the guards have every angle covered, and that they have their spies as well listening for any plans to escape. I for one, would encourage us all to try and escape. You guys, Bill, Paul etc are creating in our minds that the walls are even thicker than they are and cannot be cut out. You guys would be in fact be co-operating with the governer unwittingly to keep his prison more secure, more securer that it actually is.

I rest my case.

I think it is possible to overcome our imprisonment and I hope for freedom. If we give up hope we are as good as finished.

Stan

[ThePythonicCow]

I see absolutely nothing from which we have been distracted.
The BIG secret to power in 3-D space/time (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44282-The-BIG-secret-to-power-in-3-D-space-time.) thread, especially this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44282-The-BIG-secret-to-power-in-3-D-space-time.&p=475611&viewfull=1#post475611) by Amysenthia regarding the hammerlock the bastards in power are getting on our food, spells out the essentials of what we are being distracted from, in my view.

The list of specific potential disasters that Bill gave (nukes, quakes and CME's) are not (yet anyway) specific events that they need to distract us from, but rather possible upcoming major events that would tighten their squeeze on our liberty, well being, and worldly existence.

The bastards in power are tightening their grip on what we know and how we feed and care for ourselves, particularly using money and energy. This Drake distraction is one minor chapter in thousands of years of distractions. Healthy food is going to become increasingly difficult to obtain.

[ThePythonicCow]

I think it is possible to overcome our imprisonment and I hope for freedom. If we give up hope we are as good as finished.
I don't know how much hope there is. I'm not check-mated yet, so will continue to study the board and make the best moves I can.

One thing I try to avoid doing is making the following "logical" argument:

Situation is difficult.
Must be a way out.
So the "best" way out I can see must work.

If one has to close one's mind to some essential problems with that way, then one is engaging in blind hope, willfully blind.

[Mozart]

Mozart is using the America odds system which is based on 100 being the stake. For favorites, the stake amount is represented by a - sign and is always a larger number than the potential win amount.

Paul made the odds -300 thus you would risk 300 to win 100.

For the underdog you use 100 to represent the stake and in this case the price for the dog is +270 thus you risk 100 to win 270.




There ya go, justoneman -- that's the better way of putting it. Thank you for clarifying.


Only one clarification -- the underlined, bold part -- just for the sake of the clarity of the readers, the total payout would be $270, which includes the original $100 bet for a net profit of $170.

[mountain_jim]

I'll up the stakes. If they are arrested, I'll eat my hat and post it on YouTube. (To get it down, I'd mix it in a blender with raw milk. I love raw milk too.) :)


Surely a formal fork and knife setting would be more fitting Bill, should this long shot actually occur. Might I recommend a lemon pepper and vinegrette marinade before hand?

Off-topic but this reminded me - does anyone recall the documentary: Werner Herzog Eats His Shoe? As I recall it was spiced up and boiled in this short film :)

rd6rUo7Htso



The title says it all. German film director Werner Herzog had made a bet with fledgling director Errol Morris that, if Morris made a film, Herzog would eat his shoe. Morris went on to film 'Gates of Heaven', so Herzog kept his promise.

[Fred Steeves]

Can you Bill, Paul,CArmody, Unified Serenity, et al, see any imminant future for the freedom of the people of this world?


I'd say it's a done deal Stan, provided the people who find themselves with that burning coal of freedom growing in their belly come to realize their limitless potential, and the power of their unbending and unyielding intent. It doesn't mean we shouldn't defend ourselves if being violated, but I'm absolutely convinced Wade Frazier is spot on the money when he says: "Love is the only way out". Of note, this is not to be confused with the often mocked chanting Ommmmm in the lotus position, when one could be feeding their starving neighbors if they had the means.

Anyway, this just reminds me too much of the "Charles" hero worship here a year or so ago. The answer to our common dilemma lies not in some break away Illuminati turned "white hat", the next big shot whose secret society resume reads like a lawyer's scholastic history on the wall behind his desk, or a not so secret "plan" that is surely to come to fruition at any time now.

The answer lies with each and every one of us discovering just who in the hell we really are, why we're here in this time, what unique piece of the puzzle from home we have to offer, and most of all...When the moment comes for us to "do our thing", whatever that may be, do it without hesitation, and without fear of possible consequences. Such as Castaneda's infamous stepping off the cliff. Tank Man comes to mind.

9-nXT8lSnPQ

We do live in interesting times.

Cheers,
Fred

[Kimberley]

Hey here is another one...

Pakistan's top court convicts prime minister

Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani's conviction is triggering turmoil in a government already struggling with major economic and security challenges amid tense US relations.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-South-Central/2012/0426/Pakistan-s-top-court-convicts-prime-minister

I am so looking forward to hearing about arrests in the USA!!!

Much love!!

[christian]

You've got me thinking Bill...


Nuclear false flag event in the US

We're always only one step away from a false flag event, whatever type and place. The curve is bending towards this tactic becoming useless though, looking back how it evolved over decades, false flag events are identified pretty fast these days, if not even sabotaged beforehand by getting the word out, like when this old US aircraft carrier was stationed within the reach of Iranian missiles.


Fukushima deterioration leading to significant radiation release

Focusing intent on cleaning this is something everybody can do, in this manner Masaru Emoto (http://www.unitedearth.com.au/watercrystals.html) had buddhist monks clean polluted water. There are surely more 'technical' ways as well to get something done there. Relocating and/or having potassium iodine available may be worth a consideration as well. Plus I am pretty sure we get help from out there to clean up that and chemtrails for example.


Global financial crisis and devaluation of the dollar

When the stability of a currency receives a severe blow, a major pillar of stability in society breaks away and hopefully we the people can compensate that through supporting each other and working together.


Possibility of major earthquake risk (Japan / US West Coast / New Madrid)

Again, focusing on balancing is powerful, supporting each other is essential, relocating is a possibility as well.


Major solar activity (1859-type event, but larger) with anticipated timing Dec 2012 -- Jan 2013.

What do you think about the Electromagnetic Vehicles (http://emvsinfo.blogspot.de/), that control that activity according to James Horak, who also says, those EMVs willingly use CMEs to shoot down certain satellites. From what I heard James himself directed them to do so in some instances and he pushed the total reset button at 6 previous occasions/incarnations, where societies on earth went down 'too' dark roads, now that's hard to swallow, but history is is a very long time and truth is stranger than fiction. Anyways I don't think, that the sun has no consciousness or will whatsoever and CMEs happen randomly, I think the opposite is true. I can imagine a directed coronal mass ejection to be useful as a reset button, as it might clear every computer hard drive on the planet. I personally prepare for having no electricity or computers etc. available at some point.

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But what about all the desasters that didn't come to pass? Doesn't that show, that the cabal has problems? Why would they have deliberately refrained from releasing a deadly pandemic till now, as more and more people become aware of what's happening behind the scenes. The swine flu / vaccination stuff blew up in their face, what a desaster for them. It's technically possible, to kill masses of us right away, to poison the earth and the food supply and give insiders access to cures and shelter, but they didn't do that. They could have triggered bigger crises in many fields, one could think, which would have furthered their agenda significantly, but that didn't happen. I think their hands are tied in many ways.

If some orchestrated heavily disrupting event would occur, I think the actually present well-informed minority would be totally up in arms to get the word out through every avenue and on the streets to the neighbours and the general population would be rather susceptive, because who wants another world war or some kind of prolonged severe crisis? The prospect of ending a major crisis without too much turmoil by reclaiming sovereignity and removing the criminal shadowy elite from positions of power would be very appealing then to people, who used to be asleep, wouldn't it?

Alex Jones often says from his perspective a majority of members of police and the military are awake. The constitution and many laws have been violated over and over, there just was not enough momentum to arrest the criminals and no judge to rule according to the law. As the number of awake people within the system still grows, the momentum regarding mass arrests must necessarily change and arrests become a real possibility, simply because people remember what is lawful and see that they are in the majority and thus have a backing when it comes to enforcing the law.

[NternalArchitect]

Like Dennis, I feel that Drake is sincere. My internal sensors are very convinced by his speech and behavior.

What about the liens? What about Obama's financial advisor's brother handling the neil keenan case and how Drake is tied into this?

What about the state sovereignty movement and the group he was initially involved with at freedom reigns radio? They were very convinced and involved.

Why is this so hard to believe? Wouldn't there be plenty of people in the pentagon and government in general who know and see what's happening and must act?

I hope... beyond hope, that this is true. Please, please, please, please. lol My life, and experiences of synchronicities and connection to divinity are not gearing me to skepticism, and when I'm doing something against my soul intention, you better believe it shows almost immediately.

My heart tells me yes. My mind wants it so badly, yet fears major disappointment if not, and can see that as a possibility to dishearten many people. But I feel this is true.

NternalArch

[WHOMADEGOD]

I think it is possible to overcome our imprisonment and I hope for freedom. If we give up hope we are as good as finished.
I don't know how much hope there is. I'm not check-mated yet, so will continue to study the board and make the best moves I can.

One thing I try to avoid doing is making the following "logical" argument:

Situation is difficult.
Must be a way out.
So the "best" way out I can see must work.

If one has to close one's mind to some essential problems with that way, then one is engaging in blind hope, willfully blind.

Paul, there is always hope, that is our human trump card, we simply refuse to give in, even when all seems lost.
Why, because we are always connected to the creator, no matter what happens, we are simply put, immortal, you know this so dont get
distracted from it.

Blessings

Mark

[Chester]

Mozart is using the America odds system which is based on 100 being the stake. For favorites, the stake amount is represented by a - sign and is always a larger number than the potential win amount.

Paul made the odds -300 thus you would risk 300 to win 100.

For the underdog you use 100 to represent the stake and in this case the price for the dog is +270 thus you risk 100 to win 270.




There ya go, justoneman -- that's the better way of putting it. Thank you for clarifying.


Only one clarification -- the underlined, bold part -- just for the sake of the clarity of the readers, the total payout would be $270, which includes the original $100 bet for a net profit of $170.

I was the founder of Royal Sports - which has been sold several times after I was knocked out by the feds - the company still exists - http://www.betroyal.com/ though I do not recommend sports betting to anyone - unless you are on the inside, you'll never beat it - take care Mozart

[Ishtar]

Now that Drake has just let the cat out of the bag ~ that the ETs are going to come after the coup and turn us into them ~ I wonder how many will continue to support him?

[DreamsInDigital]

Now that Drake has just let the cat out of the bag ~ that the ETs are going to come after the coup and turn us into them ~ I wonder how many will continue to support him?
THAT is NOT what he meant, he was talking about how they're going to help upgrade our technology and that sort of thing, bring us up to speed where we should be by now. And would be had we not been held back.

[we-R-one]

Translation: Nothing of this kind will happen. Wilcock is being taken for a ride, although he's normally pretty smart. It's disinfo, folks. Joel Skousen called it the other day talking to Alex Jones. It's a distracting sideshow. There are very serious issues in the world and (as with Elenin, 11-11-11, etc etc last year), your attention is being diverted.

I really want to believe the whole Drake scenario is happening, but I have chosen to remain neutral. Something that keeps burning in the back of my head that I'm not really seeing anyone discuss unless I missed it, is the huge surge of energy that is coming towards our planet from the center of the galaxy, due to hit by the end of 2012 into I believe March 2013. It's the very reason that solar flares are spiking on the Sun and is the very reason why our DNA structue is changing as we speak.

Is it possible that this story of mass arrests, etc. is merely a distraction to keep us from paying attention to the real story, so that people don't panic? Could it be that when this surge of energy hits, this is when ascension takes place? I know that many channelers seem to proclaim that we will have ET contact and then it is the ET's who help guide us through ascension, but I struggle with that because it goes against what I understand to be the 5D belief of "you are the creator of your own reality and you save yourself" philosophy. Has anybody else thought of this? This question is to all, not just Bill. I'm merely playing off of his thoughts.

I do not fear this scenario as I am comfortable in knowing that I am immortal, I'm just surprised to not see mention of this amongst fellow Avalonians.

[Ishtar]

That's not what I heard, Dreams In Digital... and I can't second guess what he meant. I heard him say that the ETs were going to turn us into what they are .... perhaps we'd better wait for the transcript.

[wynderer]

my post disappeared on me -- i had queried if the Drake thing was a distraction, or a psy-op?

[DreamsInDigital]

That's not what I heard, Dreams In Digital... and I can't second guess what he meant. I heard him say that the ETs were going to turn us into what they are .... perhaps we'd better wait for the transcript.
You have to look at the over all context of what was said during that part of the conversation. Remember we were talking about Metaphoric Language in the other thread? Also the context of what was said during that whole part. I've known for a long time, part of the ET/ED disclosure and contact from the positive ET's is upgrading globally our tech, medical, etc. To bring us to where we were supposed to be by now. That's all he was talking about.

We can wait until someone posts notes though if you want, but seriously we can't take anything out of context. And, that happens way to much here.

[Dennis Leahy]

Now that Drake has just let the cat out of the bag ~ that the ETs are going to come after the coup and turn us into them ~ I wonder how many will continue to support him?

Who are you again? Can you remind me?

Dennis

[Ishtar]

I am looking at the context... I heard the whole thing...and he wasn't speaking in metaphors. He was talking literally about the timeline of the ETs introducing themselves to the world. He said that first of all, the ETs would arrive but they only would be accessible to a select group at first. After that, we will all get to see them and then they will "change us into what they are."

Those are the words he used.

Seeing as I do know something about the transhuman agenda (http://ishtarsgate.wordpress.com/2012/02/05/replanting-the-wasteland-of-the-transhuman-agenda/), my ears pricked up at this.

Why do you think you know what he really meant? Do you know him personally?

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Now that Drake has just let the cat out of the bag ~ that the ETs are going to come after the coup and turn us into them ~ I wonder how many will continue to support him?

Who are you again? Can you remind me?

Dennis

Nobody important. Just a poster on here. We haven't met.

[DreamsInDigital]

No I do not know him personally, but I am good at reading people, and their intent. Also, I mentioned about other information about myself in that other thread, as to why I know what I know. Please go find my posts/comments in the thread where we were talking about the metaphoric language, seriously, that is not what he meant by what he said. He meant about upgrading our tech, medical, mentoring us etc. That is what he is talking about, he has also said about this in other interviews, and he said it the way I explained it. I've noticed with Drake, sometimes he words things "oddly".

[aranuk]

You've got me thinking Bill...


Nuclear false flag event in the US

We're always only one step away from a false flag event, whatever type and place. The curve is bending towards this tactic becoming useless though, looking back how it evolved over decades, false flag events are identified pretty fast these days, if not even sabotaged beforehand by getting the word out, like when this old US aircraft carrier was stationed within the reach of Iranian missiles.


Fukushima deterioration leading to significant radiation release

Focusing intent on cleaning this is something everybody can do, in this manner Masaru Emoto (http://www.unitedearth.com.au/watercrystals.html) had buddhist monks clean polluted water. There are surely more 'technical' ways as well to get something done there. Relocating and/or having potassium iodine available may be worth a consideration as well. Plus I am pretty sure we get help from out there to clean up that and chemtrails for example.


Global financial crisis and devaluation of the dollar

When the stability of a currency receives a severe blow, a major pillar of stability in society breaks away and hopefully we the people can compensate that through supporting each other and working together.


Possibility of major earthquake risk (Japan / US West Coast / New Madrid)

Again, focusing on balancing is powerful, supporting each other is essential, relocating is a possibility as well.


Major solar activity (1859-type event, but larger) with anticipated timing Dec 2012 -- Jan 2013.

What do you think about the Electromagnetic Vehicles (http://emvsinfo.blogspot.de/), that control that activity according to James Horak, who also says, those EMVs willingly use CMEs to shoot down certain satellites. From what I heard James himself directed them to do so in some instances and he pushed the total reset button at 6 previous occasions/incarnations, where societies on earth went down 'too' dark roads, now that's hard to swallow, but history is is a very long time and truth is stranger than fiction. Anyways I don't think, that the sun has no consciousness or will whatsoever and CMEs happen randomly, I think the opposite is true. I can imagine a directed coronal mass ejection to be useful as a reset button, as it might clear every computer hard drive on the planet. I personally prepare for having no electricity or computers etc. available at some point.

---

But what about all the desasters that didn't come to pass? Doesn't that show, that the cabal has problems? Why would they have deliberately refrained from releasing a deadly pandemic till now, as more and more people become aware of what's happening behind the scenes. The swine flu / vaccination stuff blew up in their face, what a desaster for them. It's technically possible, to kill masses of us right away, to poison the earth and the food supply and give insiders access to cures and shelter, but they didn't do that. They could have triggered bigger crises in many fields, one could think, which would have furthered their agenda significantly, but that didn't happen. I think their hands are tied in many ways.

If some orchestrated heavily disrupting event would occur, I think the actually present well-informed minority would be totally up in arms to get the word out through every avenue and on the streets to the neighbours and the general population would be rather susceptive, because who wants another world war or some kind of prolonged severe crisis? The prospect of ending a major crisis without too much turmoil by reclaiming sovereignity and removing the criminal shadowy elite from positions of power would be very appealing then to people, who used to be asleep, wouldn't it?

Alex Jones often says from his perspective a majority of members of police and the military are awake. The constitution and many laws have been violated over and over, there just was not enough momentum to arrest the criminals and no judge to rule according to the law. As the number of awake people within the system still grows, the momentum regarding mass arrests must necessarily change and arrests become a real possibility, simply because people remember what is lawful and see that they are in the majority and thus have a backing when it comes to enforcing the law.

Excellent thinking Christian!

Atan

[Fred Steeves]

I'm laughing at myself here, doing the old kids thing eeny meeny mimy mo in deciding which latest red hot Drake thread to mention this, so here is where we wound up. Are we nearing the point yet, where we need to create a new "The Drake Material", right under "The Charles Material"? This may keep many of us good and busy chasing our own tails for some time to come, so for members who weren't here during that episode early last year, take a peak at the recent past, where you stand a darn good chance of seeing our future with this foolishness.

Like Yogi Berra famously quipped: "It's deja vu all over again".

And one more thing. This is not about whether Drake is really a good person or not, and the same with Charles. This is about being distracted from what is truly important.

Cheers All,
http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif

Fred

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I'm laughing at myself here, doing the old kids thing eeny meeny mimy mo in deciding which latest red hot Drake thread to mention this, so here is where we wound up. Are we nearing the point yet, where we need to create a new "The Drake Material", right under "The Charles Material"? This may keep many us good and busy chasing our own tails for some time to come, so for members who weren't here during that episode early last year, take a peak at the recent past, where you stand a darn good chance of seeing our future with this foolishness.

Like Yogi Berra famously quipped: "It's deja vu all over again".

And one more thing. This is not about whether Drake is really a good person or not, and the same with Charles. This is about being distracted from what is truly important.


Cheers All,
http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif

Fred

What is truly important: Only the things we can control.

Become more self sufficient, less dependent on the systems controlled by the dark side.
Education. Learn how to live like a poor Mexican. They have the skills we do not.
Planning how to get quality water, storing water, food, etc.
Community communication, cooperation
Stay out of fear


As much as possible detach from the things used by the dark side for control:

Debt controls nations and individuals.
Money controls nations.
Food controls the people.
Television and mainstream news, the ultimate distractions. Connect the TV to the DVD player and use a pair of scissors to disconnect signals from the outside world.


When talking with those new to ideas discussed on this forum, go slow. Trust your intuition for what you can say. Don't become a preacher. People can only accept a little bit of truth at a time.

The more of these things we do, the harder it will be for the dark side to manipulate us.

[Fred Steeves]

The more of these things we do, the harder it will be for the dark side to manipulate us.


Bravo dear sir, I'd like very much to meet you one day. And have us a nice little chat to boot.

Cheers,
Fred

[Unified Serenity]

Ah yes, Mother monster (Lady Gaga) had a wonderful video all about the new human race which she explained her arrival in a reptilian egg symbolized the birth of a new race within the human race where there would be no discrimination etc.. Now, within can mean a group within a larger group, like moderators among members. Or it can literally mean, a NEW RACE created from our own DNA as they change us into what they want us to be.

The old movie Metropolis comes to mind. All the images of robot plus human engineering. They want us to be good little cogs in their machines and be more than what we are now. Matrix comes to mind of serving a different purpose than what we understand or believe. We, the human race, are already a slave race. We think we have had freedom, but it was taken millenia ago. We do have hope, but most of us have been taught to turn away from the truth. We have been taught to hate the truth. And it is only the truth that will set us free. We will each make our own path, choose our own way, and that will decide our future individually. No one is coming to save us. That was already done long ago.

There are a vast amount of hidden images in this tablet. We have the whole plan, mystery Babylon, DNA manipulation, Reptiles devouring mankind, suffering in torment, Alien raping a woman.... it's all right in front of you:

http://www.jonathankleck.com/images/imagesnatgeoside1300.jpg http://www.jonathankleck.com/images/imagesnatgeoside2300b.jpg

You can watch his video's that show it all... it's amazing how much is right in front of us, on the street everyday, and we are asleep or refuse the pill of truth.
http://www.jonathankleck.com/dvdproject.htm

[Ron Mauer Sr]

The more of these things we do, the harder it will be for the dark side to manipulate us.


Bravo dear sir, I'd like very much to meet you one day. And have us a nice little chat to boot.

Cheers,
Fred

Yes that would be nice, if I ever visit Florida again.

[sdv]

I really want to believe the whole Drake scenario is happening, but I have chosen to remain neutral. Something that keeps burning in the back of my head that I'm not really seeing anyone discuss unless I missed it, is the huge surge of energy that is coming towards our planet from the center of the galaxy, due to hit by the end of 2012 into I believe March 2013. It's the very reason that solar flares are spiking on the Sun and is the very reason why our DNA structue is changing as we speak.

Yep we are playing in la la land instead of dealing with what is really happening (verifiable). The three monkey syndrome?
Last night I was speaking about solar flares and how the Sun had just belched again and someone mentioned that he had no idea that the Sun is so active at present, but he had wondered why he had felt an electric shock when he touched his car the morning before (when the energy from the last belch reached us).
I don't want to stick my head in the sand and pretend that there is not something going on in our Solar System, Galaxy and Universe that will profoundly affect Earth and humanity. It might not be a big deal, but then it might be. The consequences of pretending nothing is happening are too great to take that risk.

[Avocadess]

Just a heads up that I finally finished transcribing notes from the most recent interview with Drake and Randy. Part 2 of the notes are here on the thread for Drake Updates:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more/page32

I found this interview to be enlightening. My notes reflect a basic agreement with what Ishtar is saying -- that the ETs/EDs/Angels Drake speaks of are going to be working to bring us up to the level that they are. There are different ways of looking at that -- both positive and negative -- as with probably everything.

[wynderer]

check out Vansak's thread re the 'mutation of humanity' he is documenting
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28040-Strong-indication-that-Jordan-Maxwells-claims-of-mutation-of-humanity-is-in-effect

the Reptilian NWO likes to announce what they are doing & then laugh at the stupid Humans for ignoring the truth when it slaps them in the face -- like those Hulu ads , & a lot of those music videos -- i think Drake is being used to give their message -- i'm not saying he is a bad person -- they likely found his weakness & played to that -- ego is often the weakness -- & Drake bought into being a dragonmaster or whatever his title is


I am looking at the context... I heard the whole thing...and he wasn't speaking in metaphors. He was talking literally about the timeline of the ETs introducing themselves to the world. He said that first of all, the ETs would arrive but they only would be accessible to a select group at first. After that, we will all get to see them and then they will "change us into what they are."

Those are the words he used.

Seeing as I do know something about the transhuman agenda (http://ishtarsgate.wordpress.com/2012/02/05/replanting-the-wasteland-of-the-transhuman-agenda/), my ears pricked up at this.

Why do you think you know what he really meant? Do you know him personally?

¤=[Post Update]=¤



Now that Drake has just let the cat out of the bag ~ that the ETs are going to come after the coup and turn us into them ~ I wonder how many will continue to support him?

Who are you again? Can you remind me?

Dennis

Nobody important. Just a poster on here. We haven't met.

[Ishtar]

Hi Wynderer

While I totally understand that the universe is created by vibration/resonance/frequency, and have understood that ever since reading it in the Vedas, it's also my belief that all the talk about the imminent return of the Anunnaki is just so much psy-ops disinformation and twisting of mythology in order to create fear and control in the general population.

I have written about some of this before on the forum, so apologies if you're read it before. But in my view, psy-ops are (deliberately) misconstruing the stories on the Sumerian clay tablets to create a nightmare scenario. It is my understanding that their focus on Babylon being the font of all evil is trading on the general ignorance about the fact that the stories about the Old Ones are not confined to Mespotamia. Many ancient mythologies from all over the world attribute the learning about agriculture, weaving, smithery etc. to other spiritual beings who were benevolent and wise.

Even today, indigenous peoples, like the Hopi and the Dogon, recount very similar creation stories about the “star peoples”, who came down from the heavens to teach them all they knew. But they are talking about the intradimensional entities known to the shamans of those times, and even to their shamans or medicine men today. They are not talking about extra--terrestrial astronauts who may come or once came to Earth. The intra-dimensional spirits have always been with us. It's us that 'went away', in that we've been conditioned by religion and science not to see them.

Hardly anyone knew anything about shamanism when the senior Freemason Zechariah Stitchin began the disinformation campaign about the Anunnaki and the 3,600 year old cycle of the Planet Nibiru, and others are just carrying on with his work today. Unfortunately, Sitchin lied about what was on the Sumerian tablets ... there was no evil Anunnaki nor Planet Nibiru.

The ancient myths on the Sumerian clay tablets are about what we call today 'science' or astronomy/astrology. Myths encode universal truths within metaphor and allegory.

But to understand who the Anunnaki were, we have to understand where the name comes from. It means 'children of Anu', and Anu is the one of the oldest words for 'supreme self-organising creator' or God in Sumerian, Indian and Egyptian. However, the Sumerians were wiser than we've been taught to be over the past 2,000 years or so, and so to them 'God' wasn't a viscious, jealous, vengeful Old Man in the Sky. The Sumerians didn't separate spirituality and science, and so it's only today that our quantum physicists at the Hadron Collider are beginning to catch up with this ancient vision of God. This means we're going full circle into seeing God again as the fundamental, intelligent self-organising principle that exists at the heart of the creative vortex: the God Particle or Higgs Boson.

Anu (Sanskrit) As a noun, an atom of matter; as an adjective, atomic, fine, minute. A title of Brahma, conceived as both infinitesimal and universal, thus pointing to the pantheistic character of divinity. Hence, every anu is “a centre of potential vitality, with latent intelligence in it” (SD 1:567; cf FSO 273-5, 431). In the Bhagavad-Gita (8:9) Arjuna is enjoined to meditate on the “seer,” i.e., the enlightened, omniscient One, who is “more atomic than the atom” (anor aniyamsam) and yet “the supporter of all” (cf VP 1:2, 5:1; ChU 3:14, 3-4, Katha 2:20, MU 3:1.

Anu (Chaldean) Supreme god of the Babylonian pantheon, king of angels and spirits, ruler of destiny, lord of the city of Erech or Uruk — later Ur. One of the loftiest of Babylonian divinities, part of a trinity with Enlil and Ea, he was especially the god of heaven, creator of star spirits and of the demons of cold, rain, and darkness. His consort Antum or Anatum was mother of the gods. Anu was the concealed deity; in the Chaldean account of Genesis, he is the passive deity, however, “the primordial chaos, the god time and world at once, chronos, and kosmos, the uncreated matter issued from the one and fundamental principle of all things” (IU 2:423).

Anu was also the ‘god word’ in Egypt where many priests were named Anu or Anubis, and the city of Heliopolis (renamed as the City of the Sun by the Greeks) was originally named Anu.

For those who prefer videos, there is a good one here (http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1555/901/The_Anu_-_Archetype_Of_Self_Organization.html) about shamanism and the self-organising principle of the Anu.

From this, you will see the Anu takes the shape of two vortexes, one upon the other and also known as the double vortex, or ascending and descending dragons. It is also represented by the double pyramid:

http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/vortex-pyramid.jpg


Here is how its double vortical magnetic field supports the Earth.

http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/vortices-electromagnetic-earth-2.jpg


In this diagram, you can see how the energy of the double vortex flows in and out, and it forms a doughnut-like shape around its middle, known as a torus.

http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/vortex_in_vortex_out.gif

I’m sure Zecharia Sitchin was an intelligent man, and so he would have known that nowhere in the Sumerian texts is Nibiru referred to as a planet, but as an Earthly city. Nibiru is mentioned many times throughout the cuneiform clay tablets as a very important city because it housed a sacred shrine to Anu, the “God Particle”.

There is also nothing in the Sumerian texts about rockets, other planets or an evil race of Anunnaki who come from outer Space.

The Biblical story about the Judaic equivalent, the Nephilim, often gets quoted as proof that they came to the Earth and made love with the “daughters of man”. But this is a metaphor for how Spirit combines with matter ~ another term for electromagnetic energy. In ancient myths, Spirit is usually depicted as the male principle and Matter (mater, maternal) is represented as female. This story is about the act of fertility that is at the heart of the creation which is electromagnetic.

That Sitchin was part of a psy-ops initiative, or at least one that sets out to deceive, is clear from his omissions, from his made-up translations, from his truncated quotes and extracts taken out of context, and from the amount of repetition there is in his copious, confusing to the general reader and complex Earth Chronicles which could also be an early form of NLP with its use of ‘redundant pattern recognition’.

When Sitchin was asked to provide references for his ‘beliefs’, he would wave away the enquirier with ‘it’s all in the books’. There are references and a bibliography of sorts in his books, but there are none to reference the more sensational part of his story regarding the Anunnaki coming from Space on rockets or the “planet Nibiru”.

The Annuna or Anunnaki were known as the Aryans in ancient India, and both are translated to Noble Ones. The Anunnaki or Aryans were also known as the Old Ones, who taught the shaman priests everything they needed to know for survival ~ agriculture, smithery, astronomy, geomancy, sacred geometry etc. But these Anunnaki/Aryan spirits didn’t come to Earth on rockets to teach our ancestors. Even today (but particularly then) shamans learn from the spirits (Anunnaki/Aryans/Elohim/Archangels) through the shamanic trance known as ‘journeying’.

It is not a physical journey. Shamans don’t journey by going ‘off-planet’ but by going ‘off dimension’. Going ‘off-planet’ may be fun, but going ‘off dimension’ is even better because it evolves your consciousness to a higher level in a way that no amount of trips to Mars can ever achieve. It is about self-transformation ... not space tourism.

We can go to Mars, or we can go even to the Pleiades or to the Andromeda Galaxy or Sirius, if we could build a rocket to get there. But we would still be in this 3D dimension and, therefore, our consciousness would be the same as it is now. We would stay the same in our consciousness but just be in a different place. However, if we learn to journey like a shaman does to other dimensions, then there is an opportunity for self-transformation and spiritual evolution through enhanced consciousness, as well as a greater understanding about the building blocks of this universe.

And so this, in my opinion, is the birthright that has been stolen from us by various psy-ops campaigns over the millennia which include religions, Darwinism, Western material science, atheism masquerading as humanism ~ and not least this little beaut from Sitchin about the Anunnaki and the planet Nibiru, which will also make a great psychological foundation for any false flag ET invasion they have planned.

So this is why I believe that the ancient astronaut theory about the "evil Anunnaki" is just another bogey-man to create fear, and it certainly works as a control mechanism. There was, and still is, no need for spacecraft, to meet the Old Ones, or the spirits, because nobody needs to ‘go’ anywhere. The Old Ones are already here. We just need to go within ourselves and open our doors of perception to see them.

[DreamsInDigital]

Ishtar,

Wanted to other than the "thank you" button, complement you on that wonderful and very informative post. I know I don't always agree with you, but you have my deepest respect.

[Ishtar]

Thank you Dreams In Digital

The great thing about Project Avalon is that there is here an enormous wealth of diverse views, all honestly reached and thoroughly researched, and all worth listening to, whether we agree with all of it or not.

I'm grateful to be able to express my own views to such an intelligent and learned audience... and also to have the opportunity to learn from others.

[we-R-one]

I really want to believe the whole Drake scenario is happening, but I have chosen to remain neutral. Something that keeps burning in the back of my head that I'm not really seeing anyone discuss unless I missed it, is the huge surge of energy that is coming towards our planet from the center of the galaxy, due to hit by the end of 2012 into I believe March 2013. It's the very reason that solar flares are spiking on the Sun and is the very reason why our DNA structue is changing as we speak.

Yep we are playing in la la land instead of dealing with what is really happening (verifiable). The three monkey syndrome?
Last night I was speaking about solar flares and how the Sun had just belched again and someone mentioned that he had no idea that the Sun is so active at present, but he had wondered why he had felt an electric shock when he touched his car the morning before (when the energy from the last belch reached us).
I don't want to stick my head in the sand and pretend that there is not something going on in our Solar System, Galaxy and Universe that will profoundly affect Earth and humanity. It might not be a big deal, but then it might be. The consequences of pretending nothing is happening are too great to take that risk.

A big thank you for acknowledging this post! Sorry it has taken me so long to come back here. I by no means want to take away from the whole Drake scenario, I think most know my position based on past posts. I just think this is a way bigger story headed our way and the feeling I'm getting is this isn't a matter of "if" it's a matter of "when" and I would have to agree with SDV that this is definitely verifiable. Though the magnetic field that encompasses this planet will offer some protection, we aren't even close to being outta the woods, this will be devastating. I can't help but think that this is possibly the ascension moment many of us have been waiting for. Of course you are going to hear nothing about this on mainstream because there is no way to protect all of us......but it will certainly get us out of our conundrum won't it? When I searched on this site I found only one thread that was directly discussing this, lots of good info, but it's old. Sure wish the original poster wasn't deactivated, would love to hear what that guy says now! He's probably went underground, lol. Ok, it's really not funny.
I do see that we have a Sun thread so I'll be parking my horse over there for a while trying to catch up as I'm assuming they are discussing this very scenario as the impact of this energy surge is all ready having an effect on our Sun.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29825-Sun-Stuff-What-s-up-

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?540--Scientific--Evidence-for-What-s-Coming&highlight=ROSINE+LALLEMENT

[turiya]

Yes, most here are swallowing the Teri Hinkle storyline hook, line, sinker. I have suggested that this so-called 'Drake' fellow should re-examine his relationship with Hinkle.

Some say that RuSA is an extremist group of fundamentalist Christians. I have responded by saying that when government has gone to the extreme of wanting total control in usurping the rights of all Americans, along with stealing farm lands, then extreme measures are indeed necessary.

I am not a Christian by any means, I do not ascribed to any so-called "established religion". An alive religion dies after the enlightened man or woman passes beyond this 3D existence. But as far as the Christian right is concerned, it was from the get-go that they have always been leading the charge in the Sovereignty Movement, in regaining inalienable rights & freedoms & stolen properties back from an out of control government. This can be verified by looking back on the times of the Montana Freeman, Roger Elvick, the Redemption handbook (to deal with the fraud of the courts), the tax protesters of the early 90s and finally in the recent court battles regarding the Straw Man, birth certificate & UCC Commercial Laws that have completely undermined our Constitution.

I am simply saying that RAP & RuSA have at least had the balls to get the ball rolling when they sent the letters to the 50 de facto State governors. At least they got the ball rolling on this. They absolutely deserve the credit at least for that. Instead they have been attacked countless times over.

All those that are criticizing are just tag-a-longs. They have no clue of the history of the situation. Most have recently come out of their trance states from years of being programmed out of watching tv news. And are just spewing out criticism about something they have no clue about.

Now "Drake" says he wants to shoot TT on sight. I for one will not follow this guy anywhere. This is not the attitude to have to build a better world. It seems to me that he's working for a group of individuals that are competing for funding. He is now saying that there are 80 countries that are backing the group his is a part of (which is not a group, according to Drake - doublespeak, imo). (TT & Fulford say there are 120-130). Who is blowing smoke? I don't know. But these guys should be working together, imo. 'Drake' just has to dump this Hinkle woman.

He has all the David Wilcock fans quite enchanted with his most recent interviews of the borrowed information that he has gotten from Zacharia Sitchin & Michael Salla. And this he implies is insider information? Its hardly insider information when Sitchin has several books about what he's found from his Sumerian Tablet translations regarding aliens.

Michael Salla (r.i.p.) has also got an article on the internet that he posted back in 2003 called "THE SECRET RACE TO CONTROL IRAQ'S EXTRATERRESTRIAL HERITAGE", which is what Sitchin has found (Iraq was where Sumeria was located).

It wasn't about oil at all, it was totally about going after UFO technology that Saddam Hussein found in pyramid structure in Southern Iraq.

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/turiya_file/Iraq_pyramid.jpg

In the following article (below), Michael Salla lays out the real reason for going into Iraq. You can read the entire article by hitting the link below the image. Its an interesting read. But in no way insider information as "Drake" would like everyone to believe.

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/turiya_file/MICHAEL_SALLA_IRAQ_WAR_and_ET_TECHNOLOGY3.jpg
From: http://www.exopolitics.org/study-paper2.htm

I've been busy trying to catch up as much as I can on this side of the equation, and have come to find, in which Salla has pointed out in several of his interviews & talks at UFO conferences, that the guys who hold control the information & pass out security clearances on UFO information is not the U.S government. Who really makes the decisions on who is qualified, on a "Need to Know" basis, to have access to such information (as Advanced UFO Technology), it is the Corporations!, i.e. Boeing, Lockheed, Rand Corp., Northrup, & SAIC. For example, its these entities that are holding onto the anti-gravity technology. Obviously, because they see that they could make huge profits from the production of related products.

This you can find in the Steven Greer Disclosure Project video on line. Here is the excerpt from that Disclosure Conference video...

Both the woman reporter & Steven Greer fail to see the real issue that needs to be addressed. For its the Corporations that are the ones to watch out for. USG is a corporation. It is fascism. The USG Corp its joined at the hip with other corporations. Its the National Security/Military Industrial Complex Corporation that needs to be carefully watched.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf9KVohOdEY

This all makes me wonder... perhaps, "Drake" may think he is doing the righteous patriot thing, but something keeps nagging me, that he may just be a contracted ex-military grunt that is working to promote another hidden agenda by a Corporate Military Industrial National Security Power Elite.

Somehow Eisenhower's warning about the Military Industrial Complex still is hanging like a dark cloud above. Nothing wrong with Celebrating, dancing in the streets, but not yet for this. 'Vigilance' is the word of the day, for the next year or so.

"Drake" talks the talk, but in the end, he may just be put another obituary write up after his usefulness is done with.

Later, turiya

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I really want to believe the whole Drake scenario is happening, but I have chosen to remain neutral. Something that keeps burning in the back of my head that I'm not really seeing anyone discuss unless I missed it, is the huge surge of energy that is coming towards our planet from the center of the galaxy, due to hit by the end of 2012 into I believe March 2013. It's the very reason that solar flares are spiking on the Sun and is the very reason why our DNA structue is changing as we speak.

Yep we are playing in la la land instead of dealing with what is really happening (verifiable). The three monkey syndrome?
Last night I was speaking about solar flares and how the Sun had just belched again and someone mentioned that he had no idea that the Sun is so active at present, but he had wondered why he had felt an electric shock when he touched his car the morning before (when the energy from the last belch reached us).
I don't want to stick my head in the sand and pretend that there is not something going on in our Solar System, Galaxy and Universe that will profoundly affect Earth and humanity. It might not be a big deal, but then it might be. The consequences of pretending nothing is happening are too great to take that risk.

A big thank you for acknowledging this post! Sorry it has taken me so long to come back here. I by no means want to take away from the whole Drake scenario, I think most know my position based on past posts. I just think this is a way bigger story headed our way and the feeling I'm getting is this isn't a matter of "if" it's a matter of "when" and I would have to agree with SDV that this is definitely verifiable. Though the magnetic field that encompasses this planet will offer some protection, we aren't even close to being outta the woods, this will be devastating. I can't help but think that this is possibly the ascension moment many of us have been waiting for. Of course you are going to hear nothing about this on mainstream because there is no way to protect all of us......but it will certainly get us out of our conundrum won't it? When I searched on this site I found only one thread that was directly discussing this, lots of good info, but it's old. Sure wish the original poster wasn't deactivated, would love to hear what that guy says now! He's probably went underground, lol. Ok, it's really not funny.
I do see that we have a Sun thread so I'll be parking my horse over there for a while trying to catch up as I'm assuming they are discussing this very scenario as the impact of this energy surge is all ready having an effect on our Sun.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29825-Sun-Stuff-What-s-up-

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?540--Scientific--Evidence-for-What-s-Coming&highlight=ROSINE+LALLEMENT

[Ishtar]

Turiya, if you're basing your conclusions about the Anunnaki on what Sitchen says, please understand that nothing about an evil alien race or a planet Nibiru is on the Sumerian tablets. Actually, Sitchin lied about all of that and to most if not all serious Sumerian scholars, Sitchin was a joke. He was a senior freemason working for psy-ops, along with many other writers of the day, like L Ron Hubbard and Arthur C Clarke. They were tasked with creating a new back story ... and this is the one they came up with.

Please do read the Sumerian tablets yourself to find out what they actually say. You could start with my article The Anunnaki and the Fear of the Bogeyman (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?2817-The-Anunnaki-and-the-Fear-of-the-Bogey-man) and then if you read down the page, there are links to the actual texts themselves.

I think Drake got his ET information from David Wilcock, who, in turn, is being fed it by his various 'contacts'.

[turiya]

Hello Ishtar. Thanks for the reply and the link.

My reference to Zacharia Sitchin is with regard to the geographical location of Sumeria.

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/turiya_file/IRAQ_Zacharia_Sitchin.jpg

It is understood that it lay in the Middle East area of which Iraq is a part. As I said in my posted message, I am trying to catch up with what is generally perceived to be the take on Zacharia Sitchin's work. I personally am not one that tends to believe anything that is written, or spoken, as gospel. This would also include what other's have transcribed from their own interpretations.

More of what I am concerned with is what others believe to be true. Because it is what others believe to be true determines how they will act or react to any given situation(s).
For example, most believe that they are subject to (liable for) the so-called "income" tax. Whether this is actually factually true is entirely another matter. In this way, belief trumps, or overrides, what the real truth may be.

I, myself, have not studied much of what Zacharia Sitchin has come forth with.

But what is the concern of my writing is in what Dr Michael Salla has written. And this goes like this:

"Sitchin's translations proved to be very controversial and mainstream archeologists dismissed the work as too speculative. However, there were very influential clandestine organizations that took Sitchin's work much more seriously."

Since the suggestion is put forth by Dr Salla that there were clandestine organizations that took Sitchin's work more seriously, then this could pertain to a group of people having positions of power and what they may have conspired to achieve out of their belief in Sitchin's writing. Since Sitchen came out with his 1st publication in the year 1979, then this could have influenced those that were involved in the clandestine group of Neo Cons that Wesley Clark & David Icke had spoken about in public talks they had given on various occasions.

I am sure you've heard of "The Project for the New American Century." I will post the excerpts of its relevance to the possibility that it may be what the real driving force behind its implementation - to gain possession of UFO artifacts/advance technology that may still be buried on the land that was the former site of the Sumerian civilization (i.e. the agenda by The Project for the New American Century has been to take over 7 Middle Eastern countries within a 5 year period of time)

Wesley Clark: "The Project for the New American Century" (at the 5:10 minute mark)
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TY2DKzastu8#313s

David Icke: 'The Project for the New American Century" (at the 1 hour 04 minute mark)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0gNuGK8J3M#t=3840s

As for the cunieform clay tablets & what I find truly interesting is what Chris Thomas has to say. From a very young age Chris Thomas claims to have been able to access the Akashic Record. Here is what he has found the Sumerian clay tablets from his researching the Akashic Record...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zf7scVDQ1g&feature=relmfu

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Turiya, if you're basing your conclusions about the Anunnaki on what Sitchen says, please understand that nothing about an evil alien race or a planet Nibiru is on the Sumerian tablets. Actually, Sitchin lied about all of that and to most if not all serious Sumerian scholars, Sitchin was a joke. He was a senior freemason working for psy-ops, along with many other writers of the day, like L Ron Hubbard and Arthur C Clarke. They were tasked with creating a new back story ... and this is the one they came up with.

Please do read the Sumerian tablets yourself to find out what they actually say. You could start with my article The Anunnaki and the Fear of the Bogeyman (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?2817-The-Anunnaki-and-the-Fear-of-the-Bogey-man) and then if you read down the page, there are links to the actual texts themselves.

I think Drake got his ET information from David Wilcock, who, in turn, is being fed it by his various 'contacts'.

[wynderer]

good post, TURIYA -- just wanted to add that i recently watched something on youtube including an interview w/Ike's daughter [i think -- close family member -- not Laura] who said that Ike originally wanted to word his warning as 'the military-industrial- Congressional complex ' -- but decided to leave out the 'congressional' out of concern of offending - only 100 members in our Congress -- lots in the military & industrial part -- harder to identify


Yes, most here are swallowing the Teri Hinkle storyline hook, line, sinker. I have suggested that this so-called 'Drake' fellow should re-examine his relationship with Hinkle.

Some say that RuSA is an extremist group of fundamentalist Christians. I have responded by saying that when government has gone to the extreme of wanting total control in usurping the rights of all Americans, along with stealing farm lands, then extreme measures are indeed necessary.

I am not a Christian by any means, I do not ascribed to any so-called "established religion". An alive religion dies after the enlightened man or woman passes beyond this 3D existence. But as far as the Christian right is concerned, from the get-go they have always been leading the charge in regaining inalienable rights & freedoms & stolen properties back from the out of control government. This can be verified by looking back on the times of the Montana Freeman, Roger Elvick, the Redemption handbook to deal with the courts, the tax protesters of the early 90s and finally in the recent court battles regarding the Straw Man, birth certificate & UCC Commercial Laws that have completely undermined our Constitution.

I am simply saying that RAP & RuSA have at least got the ball rolling on this with the letter they sent to the 50 de facto State governors. At least they got the ball rolling. They deserve the credit at least for that. All those that are criticizing are tag-a-longs. They have no clue of the history of the situation. Most have recently come out of watching the tv news. And are just spewing out criticism about something they have no clue about.

Now "Drake" says he wants to shoot TT on sight. I for one will not follow this guy anywhere. This is not the attitude to have to build a better world. It seems to me that he's working for a group of individuals that are competing for funding. He is now saying that there are 80 countries that are backing the group his is a part of (which is not a group, according to Drake - doublespeak, imo). (TT & Fulford say there are 120-130). Who is blowing smoke? I don't know. But these guys should be working together, imo. 'Drake' just has to dump Hinkle.

He has all the David Wilcock fans quite enchanted with his most recent interviews of the [U]borrowed information that he has gotten from Zacharia Sitchin & Michael Salla. And this he implies is insider information? Its hardly insider information when Sitchin has several books about what he's found from his Sumerian Tablet translations regarding aliens.

Michael Salla (r.i.p.) has also got an article on the internet that he posted back in 2003 called "THE SECRET RACE TO CONTROL IRAQ'S EXTRATERRESTRIAL HERITAGE", which is what Sitchin has found (Iraq was where Sumeria was located).

It wasn't about oil at all, it was totally about going after UFO technology that Saddam Hussein found in pyramid structure in Southern Iraq.

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/turiya_file/Iraq_pyramid.jpg

In the following article (below), Michael Salla lays out the real reason for going into Iraq. You can read the entire article by hitting the link below the image. Its an interesting read. But in no way insider information as "Drake" would like everyone to believe.

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/turiya_file/MICHAEL_SALLA_IRAQ_WAR_and_ET_TECHNOLOGY3.jpg
From: http://www.exopolitics.org/study-paper2.htm

I've been busy trying to catch up as much as I can on this side of the equation, and have come to find, in which Salla has pointed out in several of his interviews & talks at UFO conferences, that the guys who hold control the information & pass out security clearances on UFO information is not the U.S government. Who really make the decisions on who is qualified, on a "Need to Know" basis, to have access to such information as Advanced UFO Technology, it is the Corporations!, i.e. Boeing, Lockheed, Rand Corp., Northrup, & SAIC. For example, its these entities that are holding onto the anti-gravity technology. Obviously, because they see that they could make huge amounts of profits from the production of related products.

This you can find in the Steven Greer Disclosure Project video on line. Here is the excerpt from that Disclosure Conference video...

Both the woman reporter & Steven Greer fail to see the real issue that needs to be addressed. For its the Corporations that are the ones to watch out for. USG is a corporation. It is fascism. The USG Corp its joined at the hip with other corporations. Its the National Security/Military Industrial Complex Corporation that needs to be carefully watched.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hf9KVohOdEY

This all makes me wonder... perhaps, "Drake" may think he is doing the righteous patriot thing, but something keeps nagging me, that he may just be a contracted ex-military grunt that is working to promote another hidden agenda by a Corporate Military National Security Power Elite.

Somehow Eisenhower's warning about the Military Industrial Complex still is hanging like a dark cloud above. Nothing wrong with Celebrating, dancing in the streets, but not yet for this. 'Vigilance' is the word of the day, for the next year or so.

"Drake" talks the talk, but in the end, he may just be put another obituary write up after his usefulness is done with...
Speaking of obituaries, I just realized a few moments ago that Dr. Michael Salla passed away in February 2012. Will have to go back and see what the circumstances were for his death.

Later, turiya

-*-






I really want to believe the whole Drake scenario is happening, but I have chosen to remain neutral. Something that keeps burning in the back of my head that I'm not really seeing anyone discuss unless I missed it, is the huge surge of energy that is coming towards our planet from the center of the galaxy, due to hit by the end of 2012 into I believe March 2013. It's the very reason that solar flares are spiking on the Sun and is the very reason why our DNA structue is changing as we speak.

Yep we are playing in la la land instead of dealing with what is really happening (verifiable). The three monkey syndrome?
Last night I was speaking about solar flares and how the Sun had just belched again and someone mentioned that he had no idea that the Sun is so active at present, but he had wondered why he had felt an electric shock when he touched his car the morning before (when the energy from the last belch reached us).
I don't want to stick my head in the sand and pretend that there is not something going on in our Solar System, Galaxy and Universe that will profoundly affect Earth and humanity. It might not be a big deal, but then it might be. The consequences of pretending nothing is happening are too great to take that risk.

A big thank you for acknowledging this post! Sorry it has taken me so long to come back here. I by no means want to take away from the whole Drake scenario, I think most know my position based on past posts. I just think this is a way bigger story headed our way and the feeling I'm getting is this isn't a matter of "if" it's a matter of "when" and I would have to agree with SDV that this is definitely verifiable. Though the magnetic field that encompasses this planet will offer some protection, we aren't even close to being outta the woods, this will be devastating. I can't help but think that this is possibly the ascension moment many of us have been waiting for. Of course you are going to hear nothing about this on mainstream because there is no way to protect all of us......but it will certainly get us out of our conundrum won't it? When I searched on this site I found only one thread that was directly discussing this, lots of good info, but it's old. Sure wish the original poster wasn't deactivated, would love to hear what that guy says now! He's probably went underground, lol. Ok, it's really not funny.
I do see that we have a Sun thread so I'll be parking my horse over there for a while trying to catch up as I'm assuming they are discussing this very scenario as the impact of this energy surge is all ready having an effect on our Sun.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29825-Sun-Stuff-What-s-up-

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?540--Scientific--Evidence-for-What-s-Coming&highlight=ROSINE+LALLEMENT

[Chester]

Mozart is using the America odds system which is based on 100 being the stake. For favorites, the stake amount is represented by a - sign and is always a larger number than the potential win amount.

Paul made the odds -300 thus you would risk 300 to win 100.

For the underdog you use 100 to represent the stake and in this case the price for the dog is +270 thus you risk 100 to win 270.




There ya go, justoneman -- that's the better way of putting it. Thank you for clarifying.


Only one clarification -- the underlined, bold part -- just for the sake of the clarity of the readers, the total payout would be $270, which includes the original $100 bet for a net profit of $170.

Yo Mozart - the win is really and correctly 270 for your 100 risk - the payout would be 370 which includes your stake... trust me - was my profession.

To win 100 on the Fav - you would risk 300 which if you won would have a payout of 400 which includes your 300 stake

Take Care

[Ishtar]

As for the cunieform clay tablets & what I find truly interesting is what Chris Thomas has to say. From a very young age Chris Thomas claims to have been able to access the Akashic Record. Here is what he has found the Sumerian clay tablets from his researching the Akashic Record...

Turiya, I know we all have this natural tendency to go for the fastest way to get information, but in the case of the Sumerian tablets, the only way to be certain that the information is not being manipulated is to read them for yourself. it's not difficult, but will take some time. However, at the end, you will know for yourself what they actually say rather than relying on the interpretation of a person you don't know who may or may not be able to access the Akashic Records, and who or may not be in the employ of the mind control agents, as Sitchin was.

Michael Heiser, a very respected Sumerian scholar, has created this video to show how to search the Sumerian texts through the Electronic Corpus. (http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/nibiru/nibiru.html)

On the subject of the Akashic Records, these too are very much open to manipulation by man, as they are part of the Astral Planes. The Astral Planes are a sort of lower, interdimensionary plane which man created. Everything man ever hoped, imagined, dreamed or feared is on the Astral Planes, and that content is also subject to manipulation by the magicians and wizards in the employ of the elite, through the secret, Illuminati occult lodges.

To get a clearer view, you need to go far beyond the Astral Planes into the dimensions which are created by Spirit ~ known as the Lower World, Middle World and Upper World. These are the dimensions the shaman visits to get guidance from all-knowing and benevolent spirits whose only desire is to aid the spiritual evolution of man. Visiting these realms is self-transformative because only truth and love can exist there... which is also why the magicians and wizards of the Illuminati can't get in there to move stuff around! ;)

[turiya]

Thank you Ishtar.

Yes, there is alot of hype out there relative to the belief that those within the ranks of the Illuminati have access to certain secret knowledge of the mysteries contained within this Life. I submit that the only certain knowledge that these people have access to pertains, not to the mysteries of this Life, but, on the contrary, to the miseries of this Life.

They have absolutely proven over the past 300 years that they know perfectly how to create more misery in this world for themselves (& others) than any other beings that live on this planet. I found it absolutely astounding that so many people are so easily taken in by the idea that these people have any real clue whatsoever about creating a better world, let alone, the prospect of creating a heaven on earth.

Its entirely understood that what are thought to be different layers of reality - the physical, the etheric, the astral, the mental, the spiritual, the cosmic, and the nirvanic - can also be referred to as the different layered states of dreaming. Moving from one layer to the next is like peeling away the skin layers of an onion, removing a layer of dreaming. When you finally remove that last onion skin layer, what is left is absolute nothingness, then dreaming is finished. Reality is seen in its nakedness, because there is no subtle layer of thought that is left there to distort the perception of it.
See "What are Dreams" by Osho. http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1887900

To reiterate, I am not one to believe in what others say, whether verbally or in what they write as their interpretation. This includes what someone may say what they have researched in the so-called Akashic Record. Because whatever it is that they are saying is still passing through their own mind, it is still subject to their own mind distorting whatever they have accessed. Then, too, when one reads what they have written, it again is subject to distortion by one's own mind mechanism that is reading what is written.

I have only said that I find it interesting what Chris Thomas has said relative to what is found in that video series. Now if I myself had the ability to access the Akashic Record, then perhaps, that would be an entirely different matter altogether, keeping aware of the fact that one's own mind will, in itself, act as a refracting prism of sorts. One has to become quite capable & adept at putting one's mind aside (meditation) in order to see reality as it is.

Best regards -*-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztjS6R4uQ8Q




As for the cunieform clay tablets & what I find truly interesting is what Chris Thomas has to say. From a very young age Chris Thomas claims to have been able to access the Akashic Record. Here is what he has found the Sumerian clay tablets from his researching the Akashic Record...

Turiya, I know we all have this natural tendency to go for the fastest way to get information, but in the case of the Sumerian tablets, the only way to be certain that the information is not being manipulated is to read them for yourself. it's not difficult, but will take some time. However, at the end, you will know for yourself what they actually say rather than relying on the interpretation of a person you don't know who may or may not be able to access the Akashic Records, and who or may not be in the employ of the mind control agents, as Sitchin was.

Michael Heiser, a very respected Sumerian scholar, has created this video to show how to search the Sumerian texts through the Electronic Corpus. (http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/nibiru/nibiru.html)

On the subject of the Akashic Records, these too are very much open to manipulation by man, as they are part of the Astral Planes. The Astral Planes are a sort of lower, interdimensionary plane which man created. Everything man ever hoped, imagined, dreamed or feared is on the Astral Planes, and that content is also subject to manipulation by the magicians and wizards in the employ of the elite, through the secret, Illuminati occult lodges.

To get a clearer view, you need to go far beyond the Astral Planes into the dimensions which are created by Spirit ~ known as the Lower World, Middle World and Upper World. These are the dimensions the shaman visits to get guidance from all-knowing and benevolent spirits whose only desire is to aid the spiritual evolution of man. Visiting these realms is self-transformative because only truth and love can exist there... which is also why the magicians and wizards of the Illuminati can't get in there to move stuff around! ;)

[Carmody]

Turiya:

Smaller text, please.

On that grounds alone, I refuse to read your posts.

(I don't want to be mean or contrary, it is just that, well, no one needs big text to get their point across.... and in fact, big text is detrimental to any message delivery attempt)

[NancyV]

As for the cunieform clay tablets & what I find truly interesting is what Chris Thomas has to say. From a very young age Chris Thomas claims to have been able to access the Akashic Record. Here is what he has found the Sumerian clay tablets from his researching the Akashic Record...

Turiya, I know we all have this natural tendency to go for the fastest way to get information, but in the case of the Sumerian tablets, the only way to be certain that the information is not being manipulated is to read them for yourself. it's not difficult, but will take some time. However, at the end, you will know for yourself what they actually say rather than relying on the interpretation of a person you don't know who may or may not be able to access the Akashic Records, and who or may not be in the employ of the mind control agents, as Sitchin was.

Michael Heiser, a very respected Sumerian scholar, has created this video to show how to search the Sumerian texts through the Electronic Corpus. (http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/nibiru/nibiru.html)

On the subject of the Akashic Records, these too are very much open to manipulation by man, as they are part of the Astral Planes. The Astral Planes are a sort of lower, interdimensionary plane which man created. Everything man ever hoped, imagined, dreamed or feared is on the Astral Planes, and that content is also subject to manipulation by the magicians and wizards in the employ of the elite, through the secret, Illuminati occult lodges.

To get a clearer view, you need to go far beyond the Astral Planes into the dimensions which are created by Spirit ~ known as the Lower World, Middle World and Upper World. These are the dimensions the shaman visits to get guidance from all-knowing and benevolent spirits whose only desire is to aid the spiritual evolution of man. Visiting these realms is self-transformative because only truth and love can exist there... which is also why the magicians and wizards of the Illuminati can't get in there to move stuff around! ;)
I haven't heard many say what you've said about the Akashic Records and I appreciate that you said it! I have been to the Akashic Records only once, because that was all it took for me to see that knowing all this info that only pertained to the lower dimensions was completely trivial considering the adventures awaiting in the higher dimensions. I could not see any benefit for me to bother with this at all.

When I entered the Akashic Records all this knowledge was instantaneously known to me and basically I shrugged my shoulders (so to speak) and said to myself...so what! I don't think I would trust the motives of someone who over emphasized the importance of the Akashic Records because in my mind they would only be important to someone who wanted to use that information to continue to manipulate energy, people, etc. in the physical and lower astral dimensions. In my future travels I totally bypassed the lower astral as it contained diversions that I wasn't interested in dealing with anymore.

[Kimberley]

I saw Chris Thomas mentioned in this thread... I have been listening to an interview with Chris Thomas that was posted in February of this year.... It is very interesting!

2012 Update Chris Thomas Interview - 2012 Current Thinking / Soul Integration one hour 11 minutes

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[Ishtar]

I haven't heard many say what you've said about the Akashic Records and I appreciate that you said it! I have been to the Akashic Records only once, because that was all it took for me to see that knowing all this info that only pertained to the lower dimensions was completely trivial considering the adventures awaiting in the higher dimensions. I could not see any benefit for me to bother with this at all.

When I entered the Akashic Records all this knowledge was instantaneously known to me and basically I shrugged my shoulders (so to speak) and said to myself...so what! I don't think I would trust the motives of someone who over emphasized the importance of the Akashic Records because in my mind they would only be important to someone who wanted to use that information to continue to manipulate energy, people, etc. in the physical and lower astral dimensions. In my future travels I totally bypassed the lower astral as it contained diversions that I wasn't interested in dealing with anymore.

Well spotted, Nancy....and no less than I'm coming to expect from you. Your light shines through, Lady. I'm proud to know you (well, as much as you can ever know someone on a discussion board. :wave:)

[turiya]

I am new to this forum and its use of this kind of software. I upscale my text because the software that is being used here allows the poster to do so. I do this so I can read what I have written better. If that is a problem for you then, perhaps, you should not read it. You are the only one that is bothered by it.
Please note: I am not using all caps which some think is a form of talking LOUDLY. I would suggest that you self examine yourself as to why such a thing bothers you so much.

"An unexamined life is one not worth living" - Socrates
I will downsize by one and see what that looks like to me.

Cheers, turiya

-*-


Turiya:

Smaller text, please.

On that grounds alone, I refuse to read your posts.

(I don't want to be mean or contrary, it is just that, well, no one needs big text to get their point across.... and in fact, big text is detrimental to any message delivery attempt)

[turiya]

Hi NancyV

From the video Chris Thomas explains that he found at a very young age that he, too, had this ability. As a healer He said he found it useful. Because several people carry within their physical bodies the traumas of past life events that need to be cleared away before the particular health issue can be cleared.

In one particular case, a client came to him with an unusual problem. DNA he explains holds past life memory, in which is claims he is able to read.

Because so much of history that is written about has been distorted through the biases intrinsic to the mechanism of human mind, he had an interest in finding out what the Akashic Record revealed about the human history (without the interpretation from another written source, i.e. Sumerian clay tablets included). If indeed he is able to directly access historic events of the past, then the only distortion that would come would be his own interpretation of those events in his writings of what he found. Please note that the reader of his writings would then interpret what he has written according to their own biases that are typical of the workings of their mind mechanism.

I suspect that if, indeed, we are making a dimensional shift to higher planes on a global scale, the possibility of all humans may soon be able to access the Akashic Record for themselves. Hence, this may be the reason for Clif High's Web Bot predictions of showing that there will be experiencing a coming 'data gap'.
Other researchers have also made similar claims. Its because we may just be coming to a point when each of us no longer needs to read a book or newspaper to find things out. Instead we find it out directly, at least past stuff, from the Akashic Record.

Cheers - turiya


Got to run







As for the cunieform clay tablets & what I find truly interesting is what Chris Thomas has to say. From a very young age Chris Thomas claims to have been able to access the Akashic Record. Here is what he has found the Sumerian clay tablets from his researching the Akashic Record...

Turiya, I know we all have this natural tendency to go for the fastest way to get information, but in the case of the Sumerian tablets, the only way to be certain that the information is not being manipulated is to read them for yourself. it's not difficult, but will take some time. However, at the end, you will know for yourself what they actually say rather than relying on the interpretation of a person you don't know who may or may not be able to access the Akashic Records, and who or may not be in the employ of the mind control agents, as Sitchin was.

Michael Heiser, a very respected Sumerian scholar, has created this video to show how to search the Sumerian texts through the Electronic Corpus. (http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/nibiru/nibiru.html)

On the subject of the Akashic Records, these too are very much open to manipulation by man, as they are part of the Astral Planes. The Astral Planes are a sort of lower, interdimensionary plane which man created. Everything man ever hoped, imagined, dreamed or feared is on the Astral Planes, and that content is also subject to manipulation by the magicians and wizards in the employ of the elite, through the secret, Illuminati occult lodges.

To get a clearer view, you need to go far beyond the Astral Planes into the dimensions which are created by Spirit ~ known as the Lower World, Middle World and Upper World. These are the dimensions the shaman visits to get guidance from all-knowing and benevolent spirits whose only desire is to aid the spiritual evolution of man. Visiting these realms is self-transformative because only truth and love can exist there... which is also why the magicians and wizards of the Illuminati can't get in there to move stuff around! ;)
I haven't heard many say what you've said about the Akashic Records and I appreciate that you said it! I have been to the Akashic Records only once, because that was all it took for me to see that knowing all this info that only pertained to the lower dimensions was completely trivial considering the adventures awaiting in the higher dimensions. I could not see any benefit for me to bother with this at all.

When I entered the Akashic Records all this knowledge was instantaneously known to me and basically I shrugged my shoulders (so to speak) and said to myself...so what! I don't think I would trust the motives of someone who over emphasized the importance of the Akashic Records because in my mind they would only be important to someone who wanted to use that information to continue to manipulate energy, people, etc. in the physical and lower astral dimensions. In my future travels I totally bypassed the lower astral as it contained diversions that I wasn't interested in dealing with anymore.

[David Topí]

Distracted from what please Bill?






Nuclear false flag event in the US
Fukushima deterioration leading to significant radiation release
Global financial crisis and devaluation of the dollar
Possibility of major earthquake risk (Japan / US West Coast / New Madrid)
Major solar activity (1859-type event, but larger) with anticipated timing Dec 2012 -- Jan 2013.


And, IMO, significant Earth changes about which the PTB have NO CONTROL whatsover , even if they pretend they do.

[derek]

I'm willing to bet a whole case of raw milk on having 15 out of those aforementioned 19 bastards to be arrested. Any takers?

~Mozart

I'll up the stakes. If they are arrested, I'll eat my hat and post it on YouTube. (To get it down, I'd mix it in a blender with raw milk. I love raw milk too.) :)

Translation: Nothing of this kind will happen. Wilcock is being taken for a ride, although he's normally pretty smart. It's disinfo, folks. Joel Skousen called it the other day talking to Alex Jones. It's a distracting sideshow. There are very serious issues in the world and (as with Elenin, 11-11-11, etc etc last year), your attention is being diverted.


Distracted from what please Bill?





Nuclear false flag event in the US
Fukushima deterioration leading to significant radiation release
Global financial crisis and devaluation of the dollar
Possibility of major earthquake risk (Japan / US West Coast / New Madrid)
Major solar activity (1859-type event, but larger) with anticipated timing Dec 2012 -- Jan 2013.


You really think the ET's who have been shutting down nuclear missile facilities for decades would allow a "false flag nuclear event"?

[turiya]

Winston Shrout/Wilcock Interview

Liens Filed Against All 12 Federal Reserve Banks

David Wilcock goes to the other side of the Aisle and interviews one of the people that "Drake" had criticized as being one of the "Commerce Philosophers" in his March 29 2012 interview w/Wilcock. Winston says he has learned this stuff from Hartford Van Dyke (from the Redemption Hanbook, Montana Freemen era).

Points for consideration for all that have been following the developments concerning "Drake":

1. Wilcock has mistakenly identified Winston as an attorney. Winston is not an attorney. If anything, you can call him a Private Attorney General - someone who understands the law and represents himself pro se when in court.

2. Winston is a Bible thumping Christian from the 'Bible belt' - State of Kentucky. (What some people have referred to as Extremists?)

3. Winston Shrout is a former Tax Protester of the 1990s.

4. Please note that the reference material that Winston points to when asked by David, "Where one can go to find out about Admiralty Law?"
Yes, its the King James Version. This also forms the basis for our Common Law.

5. David shows his 'Achilles Heel' in his lack of understanding of where our law comes from (Ecclesiastical, Trust Law & the Roman Canons).

6. Winston tries to explain what our money/debt system is based on. He uses Biblical terms, which is much confusing to the host. Maxwell Jordan (that David claims he also interviewed) has used similar terminology in his explanation(s).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rKKexGdPjI

This is a deep subject.

The Justice Department is part of the same de facto Corporate U.S. Government. The U.S. Marshall's that 'Drake" has talked about doing the arresting, they work for the corporation. They are officials of the corporation!

Winston points out that the military cannot come in & intervene with the problem of the Civil government until it has been deposed. Or, to say, after the government falls on its face, only then can the military come in to facilitate. This is the same as what RuSA has been waiting on. And I understand that all 50 States are presently ready to go at this point in time.

With a deeper understanding, one may be able to understand why "Drake's" criticism of Tim Turner has been misplaced. There is no reason why these two parties cannot work together. All 'Drake' really needs to do is to re-examine his relationship with Teri Hinkle. No doubt 'Drake' has been an avid reader on John McGaffie's website, Rumormill News Blogspot. The RumorMill News website has subjected itself to the bias of Mz Hinkle, who has been nothing but a disinformation agent (whether she knows it or not).

David is obviously a fish out of water, as most of us here are, also.

If David really wants to get to the bottom of this, he should also consider interviewing Frank O'Collins of Ucadia. There is a thread in the Project Avalon forum that introduces those that have an interest.

Best regards,
-*-


Terms: (note: much of the terminology can also be considered banking terms)
Commercial Redemption Process
Admiralty Courts/Admiralty Proceeding
UCC Law
US Stiles Manual
Defendant (suit in Rem)
Equity
Surety
No Common Law Courts in the country - One has to 'move the court' in order to bring it under Common Law.
Benefit - Application is needed for that Benefit.
License - Permission from the State that would be, otherwise, be unlawful
Sexual Commerce - overview of the State.
Secured Collateral
Birth Certificate stock number
Occult - means, 'something hidden'
Cesti que Vie Trust
Original Issue
Registered
Commercial Registry
Exemption from Taxation
Application for Live Berth (Birth)
Probate
Department of Commerce
Depository Trust Company (DTC) 55 Water Street NY, NY
DTCC
CETA - Holding company that holds the original documents (BC)
Injury
Commercial Lien
Arrest Warrant - Lien (Arrest the Title to the gold that was lent to the Federal Reserve)
Seek Redress
RICCO
Maxims of Commerce
The Public vs The Private

References:
Google search: "Law Merchant Law"
Negotiable Instruments Act
Research: History of the City of London
Knights Templars
14 King James Version (Bible)
Gold Certificates - Negotiable Instruments

[DreamsInDigital]

Nuclear false flag event in the US
Fukushima deterioration leading to significant radiation release
Global financial crisis and devaluation of the dollar
Possibility of major earthquake risk (Japan / US West Coast / New Madrid)
Major solar activity (1859-type event, but larger) with anticipated timing Dec 2012 -- Jan 2013.


You really think the ET's who have been shutting down nuclear missile facilities for decades would allow a "false flag nuclear event"?
Or, ultimately anything else on that list. Remember the last 20 times the NASA et al were screaming "KILL SHOT SOLAR FLARE COMING!" and.... absolutely Nothing happened? Or how the major earth quakes as of late have (when they actually happen and aren't manufactured reports by USGS) all but (Fukushima aside) been non-events? Like minimal damage, loss of life etc.

[turiya]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rKKexGdPjI

DreamsInDigital, I think you are missing the point. I get the sense that David is interviewing Winston Shrout because Winston is also somewhat involved with the Trillion Dollar Lawsuit case. Perhaps, in an advisory position.

Please try to respond, instead react.
There is no conflict.

Cheers -*-






Nuclear false flag event in the US
Fukushima deterioration leading to significant radiation release
Global financial crisis and devaluation of the dollar
Possibility of major earthquake risk (Japan / US West Coast / New Madrid)
Major solar activity (1859-type event, but larger) with anticipated timing Dec 2012 -- Jan 2013.


You really think the ET's who have been shutting down nuclear missile facilities for decades would allow a "false flag nuclear event"?
Or, ultimately anything else on that list. Remember the last 20 times the NASA et al were screaming "KILL SHOT SOLAR FLARE COMING!" and.... absolutely Nothing happened? Or how the major earth quakes as of late have (when they actually happen and aren't manufactured reports by USGS) all but (Fukushima aside) been non-events? Like minimal damage, loss of life etc.

[Delight]

I saw Chris Thomas mentioned in this thread... I have been listening to an interview with Chris Thomas that was posted in February of this year.... It is very interesting!

2012 Update Chris Thomas Interview - 2012 Current Thinking / Soul Integration one hour 11 minutes

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I know this thread is not about Chris Thomas but I wonder what others thought about his interview and pdf linked on the youtube site?

George Kavassilas and others have said similar things about Gaia having her own consciousness (I agree 100%), that she has been hosting the experience we have been having and that to stay with her we must transform. Thomas states this is accomplished by full soul integration with the body (not ascension). That somehow just sounds to be what I have felt also...that we are fully incarnating. And the attributes of a fully incarnated being would be benign. He says there is some thing called the Velon (that sounds alot like the Aechons in a way but have a sort of body) manipulating and posing as "good guys".

This interview stated that the purpose of the "human experiement for the last 7000 years was to bring the soul fully into the body. Integration must occur this year. He claims people have been leaving in droves in anticipation of the transition. He claims the population is now really less than 4 billion, declining since 1996 high of near 7 billion? That seems so easy to dispute but personally, I have seen lots of deaths since 2000 in my extended friends and family...Has anyone an idea of any truth in this?

He wrote lately about full integration being a choice that has been a bit stymied by the Velon but could be as simple as just allowing it? This is really what I have been sensing for a long time...full incarnation of spirit and flesh makes sooo much more sense. If we had full capacity (much like the tales of the golden age), nothing would stand in the way of communication, cooperation and reclamation of the natural ways of life that we seem to sense we once experienced.

I have definitely sensed a shift since the end of October for me. I am definitely not fully integrated (hehe) but I feel I could take in much more energy.

I am wondering if this is resonating for those who listened?

[turiya]

Hi Delight,

Yes, I have just received one of Chris Thomas' other DVD interviews (not found online).

After viewing it, I ordered several of his books. (should get them next week or so).
He has discussed that having the whole within the body was the state that humanity (as Atlantians) naturally occupied prior to the 'fall'. The reason of the fall had something to do with the base vibratory frequency of the planet. As of 2003, the base vibratory frequency level has been raised from 7.56 Hz to 3.56 kHz. We are all making the adaption as we go. This higher frequency will allow the entire soul to be contained within the physical human body as it was back in the time of Atlantis. Great gifts are to be returned to us.

This makes much more sense to me than the idea of Ascension.

Best... turiya


[/QUOTE]
I know this thread is not about Chris Thomas but I wonder what others thought about his interview and pdf linked on the youtube site?

George Kavassilas and others have said similar things about Gaia having her own consciousness (I agree 100%), that she has been hosting the experience we have been having and that to stay with her we must transform. Thomas states this is accomplished by full soul integration with the body (not ascension). That somehow just sounds to be what I have felt also...that we are fully incarnating. And the attributes of a fully incarnated being would be benign. He says there is some thing called the Velon (that sounds alot like the Aechons in a way but have a sort of body) manipulating and posing as "good guys".

This interview stated that the purpose of the "human experiement for the last 7000 years was to bring the soul fully into the body. Integration must occur this year. He claims people have been leaving in droves in anticipation of the transition. He claims the population is now really less than 4 billion, declining since 1996 high of near 7 billion? That seems so easy to dispute but personally, I have seen lots of deaths since 2000 in my extended friends and family...Has anyone an idea of any truth in this?

He wrote lately about full integration being a choice that has been a bit stymied by the Velon but could be as simple as just allowing it? This is really what I have been sensing for a long time...full incarnation of spirit and flesh makes sooo much more sense. If we had full capacity (much like the tales of the golden age), nothing would stand in the way of communication, cooperation and reclamation of the natural ways of life that we seem to sense we once experienced.

I have definitely sensed a shift since the end of October for me. I am definitely not fully integrated (hehe) but I feel I could take in much more energy.

I am wondering if this is resonating for those who listened?[/QUOTE]

[turiya]

Camelot/Keith Scott Interview May 2, 2012 regarding the Keenan Lawsuit

Link to download Project Camelot mp3 on the Keith Scott Interview is below.



From: http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1936012
Well, well, well, so crazy old Drake may not be so crazy after all! What he has been saying could be true. This is so interesting!!! Thanks "T" for posting this. I have to say that I thought Drake was full of "it" along with Tim Turner. Now that I have heard that Winston Shrout is involved in this it gives a lot more credibility to what Drake has been saying. I have always thought what Terri said was true but I wondered what she was doing on a radio show with Drake. I thought he was an old coot. I think it is wonderful news that Winston is involved in this lawsuit. He has a brilliant mind. I remember one time he said that the Govt made a big mistake putting really smart people in jail. It gave them a lot time to think about things.

What Turner is will come to light in time.

I was lucky enought to go to one of Winston's seminar's about 1 1/2 yrs ago in LA. This stuff is so hard to get a grip on. If anyone decides to buy one of his seminars the Flint, Michigan made in 2005 is good for basic beginners, that's what the staff told me at the seminar. Maybe I'm just a dunce but it is hard to get your head wrapped around it. Still trying to do that.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7rKKexGdPjI

From: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1936191

Hey E. I still stand with my instincts on this. I have always consideedr Teri Hinkle as the nut job!

When RAP first hit the scene, Sam Kennedy said there were four elders and one that was not willing to be out front. I always felt that the fifth was probably Winston Shrout.
He fits the bill, imo. He might have distanced himself from those early days, when RAP was transformed into RuSA, can't say for certain, just my feeling.

The Christian right has always been out in front in confronting the Government IRS on the stealing of farmlands, its over-reaching, & over-bloated incessant gluttony, fraudulent court system and its usurping the god-given rights of hard working Americans. It goes back to the days of the Montana Freeman, the Redemption Handbook, Shyster Magazine & the tax protestors of the early 90s.
Winston is a Bible thumping Christian from the 'Bible belt' State of Kentucky. He was also an former tax protester. He says on that video interview that he learned his stuff from Hartford Van Dyke (of the Montana Freemen, Redemption Handbook era). I remember in one of those seminars (BC, Canada) he said that he got a lot of his information from his friends that had gone to prison, Roger Elvick was one that he had visited on occasion.

Winston Shrout knows more about what is going on behind the scenes than he lets on, imo. He is a crafty old fox. His terminology is somewhat quirky. When he says the word 'technology' he means 'strategy', as the courts shift their position constantly on the various strategies he would come up with to throw at them. He knows that Wilcock has just interviewed Drake previously.

There is no reason why Drake & TT could not be working together on this, imo. Drake may have a inside connection to the military. But TT has got the 50 states ready to go with the assemblies when the de facto USG falls on its face.
As Winston said, the military is only able to move when the de facto falls on its face, and defaults on its debt. Drake can handle the military, but TT has got all 50 States set up with their assemblies to fill the void, whenever that happens. I hear it is only a matter of a few weeks.

I have also stated that the only thing that needs to be done is for Drake to re-examine his relationship with Teri Hinkle. Hinkle has been nothing but a disinformation agent, whether she knows it or not, whether others know it or not. I feel the thing that bothers her the most is that TT claims he was/is receiving instructions from god. This has to irk many many egos, not only Teri Hinkle's ego.
Teri may be just the lesson for TT to learn that he should not be admitting to anyone that he gets instruction from god, or to push his form of religion onto the rest of the American people. Maybe that is the real lesson there to be learned from Hinkle.

Like you said it will all come out in the wash.

And while I got your attention, have a listen to Kerry Cassidy Project Camelot Whistle Blower Radio interview with Keith Scott. He is part of that Trillion dollar lawsuit. Things are coming to a head fairly soon with this as well.

It should be posted sometime today - Project Camelot Keith Scott Interview May 2, 2012 regarding the Keenan Lawsuit: http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/Project_Camelot_12.html

Drake comes on in the last hour to ask a question to Keith. Makes sure that everyone knows its him & pushes Kerry to take his cell number.
With another caller, Keith says that Mitt Romney's name had frequently come up in context with the accounts, but kinda of slips by further questions.

Winston Shrout's name is brought up by Keith Scott within the last 10 minutes as in giving legal advice on the court case. (Guess my intuition is working pretty good.)

Cheers - turiya

Cheers, turiya

[foreverfan]

Short and sweet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5bkn_JCz7U

[Unified Serenity]

Short and sweet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5bkn_JCz7U

I watched this right after Kristin and I had our interview about this and I posted that on youtube. This guy is right about everything he said, and I loved the "Hopeium" word and the examples of people being in the matrix and fighting anyone who tries to remove the blinders. Yes, show me one example that Fulford, Wilcock, Drake have said something is going to happen that no one else has said and it actually happening. The goal posts always move. The false message of hope makes people feel good, but it accomplishes making people sit back and wait to be rescued. Yes, a new financial system is coming, just not what Fulford, Wilcock, and those like them are speaking of.

Great video

[jackovesk]

I watched this right after Kristin and I had our interview about this and I posted that on youtube. This guy is right about everything he said, and I loved the "Hopeium" word and the examples of people being in the matrix and fighting anyone who tries to remove the blinders. Yes, show me one example that Fulford, Wilcock, Drake have said something is going to happen that no one else has said and it actually happening. The goal posts always move. The false message of hope makes people feel good, but it accomplishes making people sit back and wait to be rescued. Yes, a new financial system is coming, just not what Fulford, Wilcock, and those like them are speaking of.

Great video

Its time to call the (GULLIBLE FOOLS) out for exactly what they are (GULLIBLE FOOLS)...:yes4:

You know the types...

The ones that would let the likes of Hitler himself and the leader of the SS Heinrich Himmler knock on their front door and say, its off to the Gas-Chambers now, no need to pack we've done all that for you and the only people in the (ENTIRE WORLD) that can save you and your family is David Wilcock, Ben Fulford & Drake :pound:

Stupid (DUMB) idiots...:)

What the hell ever happened to being Proactive in your own individual defence of Liberty & Freedom...???????

No wonder this world is so F....ked Up..!

Don't worry the 3 STOOGES will do all the hard-work for you...:faint:

Bloody Pathetic..!

[foreverfan]

http://www.stjohnte.com/images/eat-hat-cropped.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rKKexGdPjI

[Unified Serenity]

I think I know why there are so many drake threads. Whenever a really good point is made that shows Drake and company to be the fools they are, the most worshipful followers of Drake, Wilcock and Fulford quit posting on that thread. No one has commented on the begging for money to help Dietra out and now they are not going to comment on this video because it's just to damn accurate as to what is really going on.

I think this guy has another one about the drake situation. I think I will look for it.

[crosby]

i have been doing much research on this situation. there is so much that rings true to deception. it is just another hype situation to keep people distracted.
regards, corson

[turiya]

i have been doing much research on this situation. there is so much that rings true to deception. it is just another hype situation to keep people distracted.
regards, corson

Absolutely.

Please take note that anything that Drake, Teri Hinkle, or Deatra are saying, it is only said in generalities. There is nothing that is being done on a practical level to move the idea of re-inhabiting the Republic into a physical reality.

As a comparison, just listen to what is being done with RuSA on their latest roundtable discussion that took place on May 3, 2012. This discussion was entirely on what is being done on getting the financial system in place.

Drake is only talking of having the military in control, and the civilian population should remain at home & out of the way. Its the military that will put everything in place. This is not how a Republic is to function. The military should be backing the civilian decisions.

RuSA is at least pulling things together on the civilian side taking the lead in re-inhabiting the Republic equation. The military should back up the civilian decisions. If military moves out in front of the civilian population, then it will be moving in the direction of a military dictatorship. And a military controlled government is precisely what the Banksters & Global Elitists would like to have happen.

Just have a listen. When have you heard this type of thing going on with Drake, Hinkle & Deatra? - No, its not happening with Freedom Reigns. Just have a listen...

Roundtable discussion - May 3 2012 - Republic Financial Matters: http://republicsg.info/audios/2012403_Roundtable.mp3
From: http://republicsg.info/

[turiya]

And meanwhile, while everybody has their eyes & brains glazed over with Drake's announcement of mass arrests, look who's coming in through the back door....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mZRsjS0YZig#!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mZRsjS0YZig#!

Part3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rIDCi9MsphY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rIDCi9MsphY

Part1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gOfBfvoTu7A#!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gOfBfvoTu7A#!

[Endity]

I just got draked on.

[turiya]

Clif High Vets Fulford/Wilcock/Drake

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/turiya_file/Half_Past_Human_DRAKE.jpg
Read full article at: http://halfpasthuman.com/fulford.html

[RMorgan]

Short and sweet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5bkn_JCz7U

Thank you a billion times for this video mate!

Now, if anyone watch this and is still not convinced that these mass arrests/white dragons/white hats/whatever is fake, well, I really can´t help you.

For now, I´ll just repeat this guy´s words, if you still believe Fulford/Wilcock/Drake/etc:

Show me one thing, just one thing, one promise that these guys have made, that happened. Just one.

These guys are saying all sorts of nonsense things for years and not one single thing happened.

Now tell me. Is there any reason to believe them? One single reason?

Cheers,

Raf.

[Unified Serenity]

The videos speak of the Russian Spetnaz (Special forces) troops are going to be coming into Amerika in the very near future and staying at various bases. That the Russians start evaluating the young men in elementary school for their talents and those picked for spetnaz are taken from normal schools and trained from extremely young ages. They learn to speak English like an American and speak with a "non-accent" sort of like someone from Nebraska.

That our troops are getting ready to be sent out again out of America and that when the order comes to start arresting American's or attacking American's these Russian troops will have no problems attacking us. That they will probably be wearing American uniforms and it will be very hard for our veterans to fire on "American" troops and it will take a few days to realize what is going on.

Of course this dovetails very nicely with what Drake has been preaching only it's not American Military backing up the arrest of bad leaders here, it's going to be a campaign to arrest those with the know how and ability to fight against the NWO/ Soviet (Russian) take over.

So, will people politely sit back and watch this happen all believing it's the good guys stopping the bad guys only to find out that it just a gun grab on the part of the elites to disempower the American Patriot who is the greatest thorn in their side? How will our military be used overseas? We see some of them are more than willing to attack innocent men, women and chidren in Iraq and go house to house doing searches.

How will American's see Military troops who are possibly Russians going house to house here searching for weapons and arresting people? Those who resist will be shot just like the Iraqi's. It's time to stop fantasizing about being rescued and understand the SH*T is about the hit the fan. Get your supplies, avoid cities, avoid crowds, and be prepared to lay low for a while. I personally think they are hoping for a patriotic uprising to "justify" all out assault on "militia" members who are creating anarchy. That will be the news story that it's the militia's fault for all this chaos. The Military are just trying to ensure our safety and to help them, please forward any names of individuals that you suspect are members of the militia.

I want to hear more FACTS and not just "I have been told". I want pictures and names just like I had in the 1990's about the 160th who flew the black helicopters.


And meanwhile, while everybody has their eyes & brains glazed over with Drake's announcement of mass arrests, look who's coming in through the back door....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mZRsjS0YZig#!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mZRsjS0YZig#!

Part3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rIDCi9MsphY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rIDCi9MsphY

Part1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gOfBfvoTu7A#!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gOfBfvoTu7A#!

[Dennis Leahy]

Yeah, sounds reasonable. I don't see 5 throwaway scapegoat/patsies on your list. We have us a bet! (And I know you well enough to know that you would be thrilled to lose this bet.)
Indeed - we have a bet, and I look forward to contributing to your almond milk habit :).

Hi Paul,

Contact me by PM, and let me know where to send the $10 (or whatever a gallon of raw milk costs these days.)

If the only thing I had ever heard was the very first audio file of Drake, I'd still have something between confidence and hope that "an attempt will be made." Unfortunately, it wasn't the only thing I ever heard, or read. The meltdown tantrum was really bad, and the following post (by Drake, posted on the Freedom Reigns Facebook page) was more than enough to realize that I bet (heart over head) unwisely:

IF the mass arrests are still in the plan is questionable at this point. Reason being that arrests and law suits are underway that might take care of that idea altogether.
The 'case' against the federal reserve needs another set of legalities before those things happen...I understand that this is in progress.
>In order to avoid confusion, AND offer real time honest facts, I will offer no more specifics as far as general time periods or dates, etc. "Soon" is all there is...
>>>I was hoping that our military would abide by the original agreement.<<<
-Terri and others were told that when the majority of states completed the paperwork, the military would take the actions I have talked about on the radio.
Civilian authority was given through that paperwork.
-To date, and for whatever reason, our military have NOT performed as agreed.
I do not take being put in harms way lightly.
I offer that many believe that We The People could count on our military...?
I strongly suggest that 'The Military' keep its promises, the sooner the better.

May I suggest some delicious vegan chocolate chip cookies to go along with your milk?

:~)

Dennis

[ThePythonicCow]

Clif High Vets Fulford/Wilcock/Drake
...
Read full article at: http://halfpasthuman.com/fulford.html
Clif High has added an "update" to the above web page, stating:




i did not, as many on the net have claimed, call ben fulford a 'liar'. What i criticized (re read above), was his behavior, not the man. Likely this will not be understood, but i like the personality that ben fulford presents to the world. Also, in many regards he is braver than i, and for that, i give him proper respect as a human and a man. So no, i did not call ben a liar. Let us be clear on that. My comment on his mental acuity goes to his focus on all things financial to such an extent, in my opinion, that it is an obstacle to clear thinking in other areas.

Also, i respect David Wilcock, for what he is, and the contribution that he makes for us all in his unceasing work. Again, i am not critcizing the man, but the behavior. In this case, David is risking huge amounts of what has now become known as 'social equity'. If, as i suspect, the 'drake' is not what he claims, then David will take a hit to his social equity (credibility/prestige) that will be felt.

But let us also be clear on something, the disaster at Fukushima is manifesting the language of the 'israeli mistake' sub set of our data (israeli ties to this are extensive, from stuxnet onward...). This could well turn out to be a disaster that will yet kill most of the life north of the equator and a good deal of that below. The data set that produced the forecast language for the 'israeli mistake' has had fulfillment from language emerging from this on-going, potentially lethal-to-all-humans-and-other-animal-life, nuclear disaster.

If our data set that forecast the 'israeli mistake' and subsequent 'ill winds' is to be taken as accurate, then the good news is that probably only a billion or so will die as a direct result of the on-going disaster at Fukushima. However, we are frequently wrong in our forecasts (as are all, honest, prognosticators). So, what if Fukushima actually is an extinction level event? We have had data sets indicating that scenario as well. And there are currently LOTS of supporting evidence for nasty nuclear effects all over Japan, and from credible sources. Which makes Ben's claims incredible by default.

In my opinion, as one of the soon to be killed by planetary radiation poisoning, now is the time to stop the bull****.

If Billy Meier had ever really had contact with any alien, now is the time for him to shout to them as loud as he can, "help us". Personally i think he is a fraud.

If Dr. Andersen can really warp time, even in a small bubble for a limited period, now is the moment for him to get out of whatever hole they have him trapped in and give me a call. It is not hard to find me, and i think i have an idea of how to encapsulate Fukushima in such a way (with a time distortion field....if he can actually generate it) that would, theoretically anyway, cut off the risk from the continuing meltdown. It is certainly worth a few days out of our busy lives to try to correct this situation. Even if we, as individual human inhabitants of terra fail, which is the most probable outcome, we still have the right to try. It is our planet too. That the powers-that-be are incapable, or unwilling to attempt anything, and everything, no matter how screwy, to fix Fukushima, need not stop honorable humans from addressing problems in our planet's environment. Tptb merely think they run things. Now, when all that awaits us is death from nuclear bleed out, tptb are somehow, far less scary.

Again, let us be deadly clear about our situation. If Fukushima goes to the next level of meltdown, the result will be radiation poisoning at levels that will kill people rapidly. Should fukushima go supercritical with the hoard of fuel rods, the resulting volcano of radiation will spew an umbrella of death over the northern hemisphere. It will first kill those who work at high altitudes, such as pilots, and frequent air travelers, ski resort operators, high altitude hikers, and others. Then it will settle down into lower levels of atmosphere, poisoning the planet on its way to the oceans. This level of radiation potential will cause very rapid onset cancers, and 'strange bleeding', and 'abnormal wasting' conditions...all of which will have unexpectedly high death rates.

My bitch, if you read for content above, is that serious, deadly disaster is happening right now. And lying about it is not helpful. It would not be an issue, except that i get so many requests for my opinion about these lies....and think about it, the reason that i am getting those requests in the first place is that people are suspicious of what is being proffered as roses, but smells of manure.

Come on Ben, you are better than this. In spite of the barriers in your mind to the concept, the radiation danger, to you, and all of us on this planet, is very very real. If you have actual evidence that shows normal radiation levels in your area, please produce it as this anomoly needs to be investigated.

David, i don't think you and i agree on the definition of 'vetting'.



posted April 15, 2012 copyright clif high

[ThePythonicCow]

Contact me by PM, and let me know where to send the $10 (or whatever a gallon of raw milk costs these days.)
I accept your gracious concession, and will PM you with payment details.

I will also let Bill's hat know that this is one more sign that it may live long and prosper, atop its master's fine head.

[161803398]

http://www.cmn.tv/videos/clif-high-hour-1-the-mass-arrests-claim-fulford-the-white-dragon-society/

[turiya]

Thanks #398 for posting.
Clif suggests that 'Drake' is an asset for the NWO...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Q-dwiw8Fs



http://www.cmn.tv/videos/clif-high-hour-1-the-mass-arrests-claim-fulford-the-white-dragon-society/

[turiya]

Bill Wood has recently turned himself in to authorities (probably over the alleged California rape charge of an under aged teen).

The guy that is supposedly claiming that he is a former 'White Hat' says that Drake and Deatra are soon to be arrested as well.
I guess the mass arrests include these people.
Funny thing - so, what about Teri Hinkle?

I still think that she is/has been an FBI informant, working out a plea bargain for the
internet ponze scheming company she was a part of... aka 'gem queen'.

Could it be that she will also fink on Drake & Deatra as well?

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/turiya_file/FORMER_WHITE_HAT_OPERATIVE1.jpg
http://formerwhitehat.wordpress.com/2012/05/27/soon-to-join-woody-inside/

[NancyV]

Sorry Turiya, there's not a chance in hell that Teri Hinkle would be an FBI informant. I know her quite well from having worked with her in the company you mentioned which we still don't KNOW was a ponzi or not... and there have not been any subpoena's issued for those who worked for that company.

Even if I have had my disagreements with Teri, I don't like it that you're creating a rumor about her with absolutely no evidence to back it up. Rumors like that can cause huge problems for people. I think Teri was over zealous with her support of RAP and then buying into Drake and his mass arrest scenario, but she would not be an informant for the FBI, in my opinion, after knowing her for a few years.

The opinion piece you posted from the "former white hat" sounds like pure speculation also. More unnamed secret "sources" with questionable information... probably total crap. Also the warning to Kerry is disgusting. This guy not only sounds like the "loose cannon" he describes himself as, he sounds like an effing idiot!

[turiya]

I appreciate your comment on the matter, NancyV.

Sometimes people are coerced into doing some things that would go completely against their own principles, like working as an FBI informant. I have only suggested that this is how these de facto agencies work, this is how they get their informants to work for them. It may not be something that an individual would happily volunteer to do, but would be coerced into doing against their character in order to avoid being subject to more harsh criminal charges. This is how they play their game.

Regarding Drake:
I couldn't agree with you more. It could simply be that Drake has served his purpose. And, perhaps, its time to have him disappear back into the woodwork from whence he came. Under the guise of being arrested, its a good way to have him disappear from the scene. That is just imo.

Cheers - t -



Sorry Turiya, there's not a chance in hell that Teri Hinkle would be an FBI informant. I know her quite well from having worked with her in the company you mentioned which we still don't KNOW was a ponzi or not... and there have not been any subpoena's issued for those who worked for that company.

Even if I have had my disagreements with Teri, I don't like it that you're creating a rumor about her with absolutely no evidence to back it up. Rumors like that can cause huge problems for people. I think Teri was over zealous with her support of RAP and then buying into Drake and his mass arrest scenario, but she would not be an informant for the FBI, in my opinion, after knowing her for a few years.

The opinion piece you posted from the "former white hat" sounds like pure speculation also. More unnamed secret "sources" with questionable information... probably total crap. Also the warning to Kerry is disgusting. This guy not only sounds like the "loose cannon" he describes himself as, he sounds like an effing idiot!

[DreamsInDigital]

Former White Hat (who never was a White Hat to begin with) is known disinformationist that peddles nothing but lies and is also known for a fact to be an CIA / NSA shill. So, nothing he says can be taken as anything more than really badly written satrical fiction.

[mountain_jim]

Former White Hat (who never was a White Hat to begin with) is known disinformationist that peddles nothing but lies and is also known for a fact to be an CIA / NSA shill. So, nothing he says can be taken as anything more than really badly written satrical fiction.

This is exactly right. After what this asshat wrote about Bill and Kerry, and the discussions that followed, I thought the regulars here here knew that by now.

Duncan O'finoian named, outed, and confronted the culprit, in several of his blogs, including this one:

http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/2012/05/12/louis-oh-louis/



Louis … Oh Louis …

May 12, 2012 at 8:53 pm (News)



Louis Khan Nin. Otherwise known as The Former Mr. White Hat, also known as Mr. Secret Asian Man, also known as … well, you get the picture.

Louis, I really don’t know where to start. I know what you’re expecting — you’re expecting me to spout off with hate and anger at the enormous number of lies, innuendos, disgusting pathetic things you have written about myself, Miranda, Corso, Randy Maugans, and many, many others.

Louis, I’m not going to do that. Because, Louis, in all honesty, I don’t hate you. I feel nothing for you, Louis, save pity.

You are a pitiful excuse for a human being. I honestly don’t know how someone like you and the others can live with yourselves. You are so filled with anger, self-loathing, and self-pity, I truly wonder how you’re alive.

Also, Louis, you are beyond a doubt one of the most cowardly people I have ever known. I call you “people” because I cannot bring myself to call you a man.

A man does not need to purposely, with words, inflict pain on another. Only someone who is cowardly and filled with self-loathing as you are can do that.

Even your satirical blog posts read like a porn novel. Porn is your fixation, Louis. Do you honestly think anyone believes anything that you write? Except you?

I believe you have gone so far over the edge that you truly believe what you write about yourself.

Whether you’re being paid to do this, whether you’re still Navy or not, whether you’re working with a group or not, means nothing to me. You, and others, tried your/their damnedest to stop our first seminar. You failed, Louis. You all failed. And you will always do so.

Just a quick glance at your Facebook page speaks volumes about who you really are. I notice you like all the Bourne Identity movies. The X files, Fringe, etc. Are you dreaming, Louis? Were you given an opportunity to live out on the internet a fantasy you’ve always had? Truly pitiful, Louis.

I know a young man who is nearly 13 years old, who walks in the shoes of a man. But you are too pitiful to even match a 13 year old. Now, we know within minutes of us hitting the publish button on this post, you will be responding because, Louis, that is all you do. you sit behind the keyboard, hours and hours and hours a day. That is who you are.

I feel so much pity for you, Louis. But I don’t know if you could ever be helped or not.

But Louis, there is someone who has a real hard-on for you. Her name is Sandra. We’re cousins. She’s a former FBI agent turned federal prosecutor, and I have no control over what she does.

And to quote her, from just over a week ago, “I would like to see ALL pornographers in prison for life.”

If she does choose to prosecute you, I will be called as a witness. And I will testify. But that’s between you and her.

But I will tell you, Louis, what I told my cousin. Leave this pitiful little man to his own self destruction. Because, Louis, that is what you’re doing. You are self-destructing.

You have this total fixation on sex and clones. I don’t know what a psychiatrist would have to say about that. It would be interesting to read.

Again, Louis, I don’t hate you, I really want nothing to do with you. We have so much more important things to so with our time. But you have been trying to push me from day one. It’s not going to work, Louis. You will self-destruct and finish completely destroying yourself first.

I urge you, Louis, to get help. Get out of whatever grave you have dug for yourself and get help. The only other few people I have ever known that were like you all ate their own guns. Because, Louis, what you have inside is like a cancer, and it’s eating away at you.

Don’t listen to what few supporters you have. Kerry Cassidy says you’re harmless. Yes, Louis, you are harmless to others, but you are a danger to yourself.

But I do have to ask, do you plan to accompany Kerry on her European tour? Since you two seem to be so fond of each other? Would you like to publicly post about a connection you two have? Just an interesting thought, Louis.

Now, Louis, I want to leave you with something that is not satire. On some rare occasions, I can, albeit taxing and painfully to me, look into someone’s future. I did that for you, Louis. Here is a rendering of what I saw:

You’re sitting behind your keyboard, typing away on your newest pornographic novel, when suddenly, everything goes to hell. There’re explosions all around you, weapons being fired everywhere, smoke, gases, people dying in the streets, literally dropping like flies.

And I see you, Louis, outside, huddled between two large pieces of debris, praying for your life. I see you reminiscing about your life, all the things you said, all the pain you caused with words, all the people you hurt, and you do start to feel some regret — some remorse. But in that moment, you know your life is over, and you will soon be held accountable for everything you’ve done, everything you’ve said.

And just when you think death is about to tap you on the shoulder, a shadow falls across your hunkered down body. You slowly turn to look up, and you see one of us.

One of the people you have tried so hard to damage. Maybe it was me. Maybe it was Miranda. Maybe it was Corso. Maybe Randy Maugans. Maybe one of the other of us. But rest assured., It will be one of us.

So, I know by now, Luis, you’re asking yourself, why would someone you’ve tried so hard to destroy come to save you?

Because, Louis, it’s who we are. It’s what we are. And it’s what we do. Each and every individual life walking the face of this planet is sacred, and deserves a chance.

But Louis, I fear your chances have all been used up. You will never know the love of someone that loves you more than life itself. A person who will sit and cradle your head while you’re literally foaming at the mouth, You will never know that kind of love, Louis, and I feel sad for you.

You will never know the friendship, the love, and the respect that people share with each other when it’s been earned. Because, Louis, you don’t respect, you don’t love. Again, I feel so much sadness for you.

Take this post and do what you always do — twist it, turn it, change it into a lie to use on your blog. But Louis, you’ve been told the truth and you know it.

So please don’t bother writing us with fake email addresses, and try to post on our blog using fake email addresses. Everyone knows the coward you are, the liar you are, the pathetic human that you are. And fix your own life, Louis, fix your life.

[DreamsInDigital]

Some people are apparently still ignorant of this fact, but with their heads so far up Negative Disinformation Ally it's understandable.

[mountain_jim]

Bill Wood has recently turned himself in to authorities (probably over the alleged California rape charge of an under aged teen).

The guy that is supposedly claiming that he is a former 'White Hat' says that Drake and Deatra are soon to be arrested as well.
I guess the mass arrests include these people.
Funny thing - so, what about Teri Hinkle?

I still think that she is/has been an FBI informant, working out a plea bargain for the
internet ponze scheming company she was a part of... aka 'gem queen'.

Could it be that she will also fink on Drake & Deatra as well?



Turiya, you don't help any of your positions in this thread by quoting this totally debunked, disinfo source as a source of any value. In my opinion.

[NancyV]

I didn't realize this was the same excuse for a real human being that Duncan was interacting with. I subscribe to Duncan's blog and have been amazed at how ignorant this "former white hat" yahoo is. He's a rather pathetic joke. Quoting him as though he has any shred of credibility is probably not advisable, that is if one wishes to retain any credibility for themselves.

[turiya]

I appreciate your comment, mountainman. I am interested in what others think about this.
A simple reminder is to not attack the messenger.

regards -*-




Bill Wood has recently turned himself in to authorities (probably over the alleged California rape charge of an under aged teen).

The guy that is supposedly claiming that he is a former 'White Hat' says that Drake and Deatra are soon to be arrested as well.
I guess the mass arrests include these people.
Funny thing - so, what about Teri Hinkle?

I still think that she is/has been an FBI informant, working out a plea bargain for the
internet ponze scheming company she was a part of... aka 'gem queen'.

Could it be that she will also fink on Drake & Deatra as well?



Turiya, you don't help any of your positions in this thread by quoting this totally debunked, disinfo source as a source of any value. In my opinion.

[turiya]

Always like to read your insightful posts, NancyV. However, this is not one of them.
Cheers -*-


I didn't realize this was the same excuse for a real human being that Duncan was interacting with. I subscribe to Duncan's blog and have been amazed at how ignorant this "former white hat" yahoo is. He's a rather pathetic joke. Quoting him as though he has any shred of credibility is probably not advisable, that is if one wishes to retain any credibility for themselves.

[turiya]

Some people are apparently still ignorant of this fact, but with their heads so far up Negative Disinformation Ally it's understandable.

You have earned your stamp of approval, Dreamsindigits...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=15778&d=1335133178

[turiya]

Further Comment by Clif High Concerning Drake/Wilcock: Short Excerpt taken from Red Ice/Clif High Interview Part3:
http://curezone.com/ig/i.asp?i=58798

Red Ice Clif High Interview Part 1: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43958-Drake-and-Teri-a-contrary-view.&p=492022#post492022

Red Ice Clif High Interview Part 2 & 3 (below):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCroWfHOuj4&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nWbiacCxBM&feature=player_embedded