Has anyone else been feeling a tad mor "antisocial" than "normal "?

[normam2]

So for this past couple of months I have been feeling more "antisocial" than normal or what the masses consider normal. There is nothing wrong with not wanting to interact with people and instead find pleasure in your own company. After all enjoying your own company is part of the self realization process during your awakening journey. Furthemore I feel that to truly love others you most first love yourself.
I most clarify that I have always enjoy my alone time I'm the oldest in a family of seven so I have always been around someone when I used to live at home. At school I had no problems talking to people and I'm sure no one would have consider me "antisocial" if they were to approach and interact with me . This trimester will be the last of my undergraduate learning if you can even call it learning , but up to this year I felt a decrease in my desire to socialize and make new friends.
Don't get me wrong if I could go for a coffee with anyone from this fforum just to talk about the conversations brought up here I would gladly spend the whole day doing it. I guess the thing that turns me off is people's lack of interest in what truly is worth contemplating and talking about, instead of how the latest Nikes have this cool new feature or how epic last nights winning play was? Etc etc
The funny thing is that I can't just go to my apartment and hangout with my roommate the whole day , is like i have an ...itch yea it feels just like that an itch. An itch to be around others but with no interaction PREFERABLY lol. Is like I'm in my ZONE , I'm the most comfortable when this is the case So I got to thinking and I was wondering am I a first wave or a second wave according to Dolores cannon I'm currently 22 . Or is it that I'm raising my vibrations higher compare to everyone else so you could argue that it would be uncomfortable to be around lower vibrations produce my them ?? My roommate has brought up the fact of this antisocial behavior coming from me . Anyone else behaving "anti socially"?

[modwiz]

Yes. For a few years now. Most people have nothing to say. Most people have no original thoughts. They are programmed and just babble their programming. Even their feelings, the most honest and in the moment part of them, are often the product of programming. When I do meet other awake and less programmed people, we have a good time and then need to go a be alone for twice as much time as we engaged. At least that much time. We both comment on it and understand the feeling. Living requires time to process ones interactions with reality, the phenomenal world, and our reaction to it. Whether it is some one yakking at me or me yakking at them, processing is not happening. Only what will need to be examined is happening and the unexamined life is not worth living.

[Watching from Cyprus]

You are spot on there Modwiz... same here, same here... Especially when my wife's friends come by, i have to escape after max 10 min saying hello.... how much un-necessary speech is being babled on a daily basis just because somebody have to have the word and be in the center. Watching this from the side can be quite entertaining ... he he.. but again it is truly sad and these individuals will NEVER listen and have to go their own ways.. i have realized that i cannot even help my sister and brother waking up... so be it... Salamat
In Truth, Honesty and Love
Peter

[Curt]

Totally agreed. It is painful to listen to babbling conversations that you can predict how they'll start and finish from 50 paces away.

Nowadays, when I see it coming I literally turn and walk away. I no longer feel obliged to engage.

If someone doesn't respect my obvious desire not to be bothered (which sometimes happens, though rarely) a quick handshake, a patronizing 'howarya' and then proverbial sand gets kicked in their face as I quit the scene.

I can't even fake interest anymore. I feel about as cheerful as Baudelaire when in the company of my fellow man. Most of the time. An increasing percentage of the time.

It makes me feel ill. Lately, when in the company of, or even in the near proximity of.... anyone who wants to spew opinion as though it were fact, or fact as though it were truth, I scowl like a gremlin and will them to leave in my mind...

[Curt]

Pretty much the only conversations I want to have are ones that explore the mystery. Those conversations make my heart jump. Those are thrilling...and those are the people I love. So, on the flipside, I find that I am also able to open on a heart level more to those people. So, I guess it's a good news bad news thing in my case.

[Watching from Cyprus]

I guess, We ARE the Watchers . . So many are talking about, no more, no more control, no more slavery, no more poisoning. I.e. Alex Jones and others ; Lets stand up together and fight the Elite to save all the humans on the planet. THAT IS TOO LATE... So many in the western world has been brain washed so severely that they cannot turn back quick enough. they are hypnotized to love money more than anything else, so what i can agree to is to fight the Elite and their rulers from above with love, which is the only weapon powerful enough to overcome their negative energies and apart from that listen to my inner guidance. I have a feeling that we will see each other soon friends ;-)
I say "Catch them when they ask to be catched" and dont force them to jump in the first place..

Ciao
Peter

[GoodETxSG]

Yes, being the types of people that aspire to evolve and as our vibration and consciousness changes being around groups of people of a lower frequency is a very awkward feeling indeed.
Those stuck in the materialistic mind set, 9 to 5 pay for that big house, BMW and Rolex... whatever it takes to keep up with the Jones’s. Sitting at their tables or standing on the Bus next to you consumed in thought and fretting about how they are going to swing appearing successful day to day and month to month, how can those of us who are striving to evolve spiritually and emotionally feel comfortable surrounded by that energy?
Becoming a hermit is not the solution, but I do find myself spending a lot less time in crowded places and more time in quiet reflection with a small group of loved ones or like minded people. Then I feel in my element. Call it anti social if you will. But you know... "Birds of a Feather" and all. Those birds want to walk around and peck at the ground... But I want to fly and make no apologies about it!

[sdv]

Yep, Normam2, I have also being feeling antisocial. I make the effort when I have to interact with people when I have to, but find that I just don't want to. Maybe all this sun activity is making me feel so tired and lacking in energy - it's like interacting with people takes energy from me or requires me to expend energy or exchange energy and it is so tiring.

[pilotsimone]

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[GoodETxSG]

Yep, Normam2, I have also being feeling antisocial. I make the effort when I have to interact with people when I have to, but find that I just don't want to. Maybe all this sun activity is making me feel so tired and lacking in energy - it's like interacting with people takes energy from me or requires me to expend energy or exchange energy and it is so tiring.

We are reacting to the Earth and the Sun, which is reacting to higher energy and faster centrifugal forces of the torsion field of our galaxy as well as the energy waves radiating from the galactic core... The galaxy is reacting to the push and pull of other galaxies and the general forces of our universe which is reacting with other universes and so on and so on... Each of us is an antenna to these energies/frequencies... we are overwhelmed with interference when in these groups of people tuned in to AM or FM when we are on Satellite Radio :-) Sorry, couldn’t resist a little humor.

[markpierre]

Has anyone else been feeling a tad mor "antisocial" than "normal "?

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa.

Yah. Just a bit.

[Blueskywalking]

Maybe.
But I don't want to talk about it...

Haha!

[ulli]

Has anyone else been feeling a tad mor "antisocial" than "normal "?

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa.

Yah. Just a bit.

Laughter like that never fails to bring out the socialite in me.

I'm Having the feeling that this thread will turn into a social lounge...
I just love it when hermits start yapping at each other. Reminds me of a funny Monty Python sketch.

[spiritguide]

In a society overrun with greed. lust and corruption the aspect of anti social keeps the energy vampires at bay. With these societal norms, being anti is showing valor of the highest order.

:peace:

[Alie]

I've been antisocial most of my life --- but what's interesting is that when I have something to say, people want to hear it. But it comes at a high cost because I have a very sensitive nature and I don't like being labeled weird.

I would like to tell you a story that relates to my "antisocial/quiet nature". It's so outrageous you might not believe it. Anyway several years ago I worked in a company that had a corporate takeover and the new management wanted to change the "culture". A week or two before the incident, my manager was asked to profile the staff. Later I found out that he described me as "quiet and kept to herself". So, one day I was standing close to my customers watching them shop. From behind me, swooped this district manager. She yanked my arms down from where they were (I was holding a contact book) and started yelling at me --- open up, you're tight. What made it worse is that I resisted, and she yanked them until they were down at my side.

I was humiliated and absolutely FROZE in my place. When I talked to the manager about it, I said, "she wouldn't have done this to anyone else" ---- he agreed and said that she knew she could get away with it with me.

The ending is best --- no, she didn't get away with it (wish I could be specific, but I can't).

The moral of my story --- we, who are quiet, antisocial watchers are building strength you cannot see now, but will come into play very shortly.

[crosby]

excellent Alie. good for you!!!!!!! i have becoming more and more anti-social myself these days. but i'm also feeling something else, and i'm wondering if anybody else has felt it: lately it feels as though i'm battling a sea of marshmallows. when i walk the ground feels strangely spongy and the air around me feels as though it is really thick. i don't know what it is, maybe i'm getting ready to kick it, but it feels strange to me. has anybody else felt this?
regards, corson

[Fred Steeves]

Don't get me wrong if I could go for a coffee with anyone from this fforum just to talk about the conversations brought up here I would gladly spend the whole day doing it. I guess the thing that turns me off is people's lack of interest in what truly is worth contemplating and talking about, instead of how the latest Nikes have this cool new feature or how epic last nights winning play was? Etc etc


Very insightful and timely thread normam. This is something I've been noticing recently also, although up til you pointing it out was not an actual intellectual thought. I tend now just to wave at neighbors as we pass or see each other for instance, and I think it's because i just can't stand any more god damned small talk like you said.

Men generally want to talk to me about construction because I'm a carpenter, or about whatever sport season it is. Women seem to tend more to domestic issues, t.v. shows, or my all time favorite...Gossip...

At times, all I can think while talking to someone outside, watching a nice fat juicy chem trail being sprayed right over our heads, is something like: "You know, we're fortunate enough to be living at such a pivotal point in the history of mankind, that we have the potential to carve out the kind of material myths and legends are created from. And the best we have to discuss here is what college seniors are available for next season's draft?"

So yeah, being solitary to a point is just fine. But also like you said, I can lose time for hours talking on Skype or whatever to people on these forums. That's a whole different deal, and I always leave the conversation better than when I entered it. The mutual exchange of energy and information is remarkable.

The bottom line then must be that I love these people, will always be there for them in a time of need, but I just don't particularly care to engage in lengthy conversations with them.

Cheers,
Fred

[Alie]

excellent Alie. good for you!!!!!!! i have becoming more and more anti-social myself these days. but i'm also feeling something else, and i'm wondering if anybody else has felt it: lately it feels as though i'm battling a sea of marshmallows. when i walk the ground feels strangely spongy and the air around me feels as though it is really thick. i don't know what it is, maybe i'm getting ready to kick it, but it feels strange to me. has anybody else felt this?
regards, corson

Corson, perhaps your sensing how it feels to be in a higher vibration. One thing I'm doing (when it's warm enough) is walk barefooted --- allowing my body to take in "life" --- grass, ground, birds, breeze, fragrance --- you know what I mean - it's really helping me feel great.

[markpierre]

Has anyone else been feeling a tad mor "antisocial" than "normal "?

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa.

Yah. Just a bit.

Laughter like that never fails to bring out the socialite in me.

I'm Having the feeling that this thread will turn into a social lounge...
I just love it when hermits start yapping at each other. Reminds me of a funny Monty Python sketch.

Hey there aren't very many safe and/or reasonable places to be anymore that involve humans.

[Timreh]

The moral of my story --- we, who are quiet, antisocial watchers are building strength you cannot see now, but will come into play very shortly. You hit a bullseye Alie

This topic is so right up my alley.
Thesedays I have become rather withdrawn and usually prefer my own company!


Public places, shopping malls or crowds are places I can’t get away from soon enough! I have little interest talking to people unless it is a topic you would probably see posted on Avalon.
So yes I enjoy my own company and NEVER get bored.. in fact one of the most valuable things in my life now is TIME.. I just crave and long for time, stillness and quiet.. and unless I am at work or helping someone I become very protective with my time.


I do meditate when I can make time and these days I am not making enough.


Maybe it is that in many ways this world no longer interests me, maybe it is a vibrational conflict, maybe it is that I have woken up to the lie and long for a new chapter to begin?
So yes I would say I am Anti-Social, and I am happy with that!

[Conaire]

Yes Norman, I have an anti-social streak to me too. Lately I'm very comfortable with saying to my boyfriend, for example "I want to be by myself for the day ok, don't take it personally". Luckly he understands. I find it's very important to be alone, either being at home alone or going for a walk, whatever. When there is a balance between being social and having time to myself then I can really enjoy the times I am spending time with my friends or famly. Before, when I forced myself to be around people, to be out socialising more often and wasn't taking time to be alone I enjoyed it less and I was more irritable and snappy with people.

[RUSirius]

Great thread, very much anti-social, due to the "topics of conversation" that I'm around, if it werent for PA, I probably would go insane, so much good stuff to express to one and other, but very few in tune with "our" reality, glad to hear everyone is feeling the same...

[truth4me]

I feel as though I'm on a deserted Island at times. There is no one here in my area that I can relate to. Now as Fred said in an earlier reply men talk about who's in line to get drafted or around here it's NASCAR. When I was asleep I too was guilty of what I just said yet now it's meaningless. I spend time when my grandson yet even at his age ,5, the programming has started. We need to remember that we have awoken for a reason ..............time will tell.

[Daozen]

Yeah, I got the itch recently. I told people I am hibernating...

This is a big time in our history, and I don't want to waste it drinking beer and chitter chattering.

I found a happy medium by making sure that whenever I am with a friend, I am either exercising or eating. That way it's not such a waste of time...

Lots of time for parties later....

[another bob]

As much as I sympathize with hermit mode (and in fact I've spent big blocks of time as a hermit myself), I have also realized that we came to this dance to get out on the floor and dance, and not hold back as wall flowers. Our reluctance can be rationalized in all sorts of ways, but life is always calling us to go beyond ourselves and jump in with both feet. Love wants us to love, because that's how it grows and spreads. By avoiding relationships, we're actually defeating the heart's deepest desire. Of course, every situation is different, and there are times when solitude is appropriate, but the opportunity presented by this life is a rare one, and that's especially true now. If people like us withdraw, what will remain to make the kind of difference we would like to see? Who are we serving by pulling away? On the other hand, by immersing ourselves in the stream and bustle of life every now and then, we will find that we are also served. That's what unity consciousness is all about, serving and being served. If it really is "all God", then what part of God is not worthy of being engaged? I suppose what I am getting at is, we need to question our reluctance too -- is the motive selfish and fear-based, for instance? It's important to look closely.

:yo:

[Flash]

May be....

Just may be....

Conspiracy forums have this impact on people...

[kcbc2010]

Love this thread! I wish I would have found PA sooner because I really feel like all of you are describing me in one way or another.

Even as a kid, I couldn't do the mindless chit-chatter. In my family, there's this odd dichotomy where some people are really loud and they seem feel they have to compensate for the rest of us who don't feel the need to talk all the time. Then when they leave, "the quiet ones" breathe a sigh of relief because we are just thankful that all of their energy is gone and we can just be quiet!

I, one of the quiet ones, am charged with raising a son who has speech problems. So, I have to talk to teach him how to make his sounds. I find it so difficult some days to do it because I have to overcome my need/desire to be quiet in order to help him. I hate how our society favors extroverts because sometimes, they are just mean,loud people who have nothing interesting to say.

[Mystique]

I really appreciate the opportunity here to recognize that I in my solitude, I am not alone.

I have caught myself wondering lately why I am so contented being by myself and dreading it when I have to go to stores or places where there are people around. I prefer not interacting much.

I am learning to relax more deeply and allowing silence to be my ally so I can feel my presence. Asking myself why, how, when, where, who or what seems to separate me from that knowing place so I am practicing just sitting with not knowing while I allow knowing to emerge.

Cultivating "now" seems endless in its depth and breadth.

[ghostrider]

yep . more and more each day. We don't belong here. we are ready to fly. being earthbound real drag, know what I mean ?? our home is out there , not here.

[Sidney]

I love this thread. This is so spot on. And actually I have been sort of antisocial my whole life. i never had anything to say to contribute to superficial chatter, it always just seems so trivial. After my awakening started though, I began to understand why. I always felt like something MUST be wrong with me, because I have never ever fit in . Not that anything is wrong with everyone else, thats shallow of me to think that, but it is the programming. And, I do believe that we do have a gift of having the abililty to fight the programming, especially after we are aware of it. It really is lonely a lot of the time. The things that are important to most people I couldn't care less about. I have tried, but my brain just won't wrap around chit-chat. Like modwiz says, most people talk for frikkin HOURS, and they don't say ANYTHING. Its maddening.
My mom and all her sisters, their daughters and their kids, OMG when they all get together, they all have to be talking at once, and even one at a time, they don't say anything worth listening to, but when they are all talking at once, OMG I have to leave the building. They have never understood it. They take insult, even though I tell them I just get over-stimulated. I truly am the black sheep. (OK, not a sheep.lol).
I have never had a huge number of friends. To this day, I would much rather spend hours with my cats, than have meaningless chatter with my neighbor.
I will say out loud here that I do have a bit of social phobia, and that is my issue, but things are not going to change any time soon.

[jagman]

I can give a date for my antisocial behavior disorder. It was December,2009. The people of Missouri were experiencing an early snow storm.
I lived in a rural area at that time. I was snowed in, I didn't leave my house for 3 weeks. The first week went bye and I kept myself busy with
little projects. By the end of the second week of isolation, I really started to embrace my journey into solace.The 3rd week, The roads were
clear but I chose to stay in my fortress of solitude..I find there is a strange comfort in being alone. If one is not careful, This kind of isolation
experiment, Could be a journey into madness.

[Mandala]

Pretty much the only conversations I want to have are ones that explore the mystery. Those conversations make my heart jump. Those are thrilling...and those are the people I love. So, on the flipside, I find that I am also able to open on a heart level more to those people. So, I guess it's a good news bad news thing in my case.

I have to agree. I rather not have plans or obligations to spend time with those I do not resonate or feel free to discuss what's really on my mind.

[Alie]

As much as I sympathize with hermit mode (and in fact I've spent big blocks of time as a hermit myself), I have also realized that we came to this dance to get out on the floor and dance, and not hold back as wall flowers. Our reluctance can be rationalized in all sorts of ways, but life is always calling us to go beyond ourselves and jump in with both feet. Love wants us to love, because that's how it grows and spreads. By avoiding relationships, we're actually defeating the heart's deepest desire. Of course, every situation is different, and there are times when solitude is appropriate, but the opportunity presented by this life is a rare one, and that's especially true now. If people like us withdraw, what will remain to make the kind of difference we would like to see? Who are we serving by pulling away? On the other hand, by immersing ourselves in the stream and bustle of life every now and then, we will find that we are also served. That's what unity consciousness is all about, serving and being served. If it really is "all God", then what part of God is not worthy of being engaged? I suppose what I am getting at is, we need to question our reluctance too -- is the motive selfish and fear-based, for instance? It's important to look closely.

:yo:

My friend has recently been studying enneagrams. In a workshop they asked people to go stand in one of 3 groups which represent their motivating drive in life --- Social, Sexual, Self-Preserving

Here's the link from which I've excerpted (http://www.enneagram.net/instsub.html):



".... I found that the instinctual drives appear to be not only instrumental in distinguishing the different styles of manifesting our Enneagram type behavior, but also perhaps the stronger, more unconscious, yet all-pervasive element of our personality type. Our instinctual drives motivate us in the ongoing human struggle to create and sustain relationships, to aggressively seek what we need to survive, and to defend what we have and fear losing. Clearly, the journey toward wholeness might well include the conscious exploration of these relatively untraveled, instinctual roads, and thus ultimately lead to a more balanced and integrated awareness..."

[evancruz1]

I guess, We ARE the Watchers . . So many are talking about, no more, no more control, no more slavery, no more poisoning. I.e. Alex Jones and others ; Lets stand up together and fight the Elite to save all the humans on the planet. THAT IS TOO LATE... So many in the western world has been brain washed so severely that they cannot turn back quick enough. they are hypnotized to love money more than anything else, so what i can agree to is to fight the Elite and their rulers from above with love, which is the only weapon powerful enough to overcome their negative energies and apart from that listen to my inner guidance. I have a feeling that we will see each other soon friends ;-)
I say "Catch them when they ask to be catched" and dont force them to jump in the first place..

Ciao
Peter

You are not kidding about the programming! My own family (except for my mother thank God) are so contained in their bubble that the mere mention of something like Chemtrails invokes a response designed to make me feel crazy. I've been feeling more un-social from approx. 2 1/2 years ago...
I have a hard time around my father whom is a product of the cold war and believes the Bush family to be just swell. That says it all in a nut shell...
My wife and I find it increasingly more dificult to relate to others that are oblivious to the world around them.

But yet still I have nothing but love for them...

Jonathan

[jason4444]

My goodness dude I feel the EXACT same way. I am very open about who I am and have never had problems socializing with people. However, since I started my second semester at college in January, I just haven't had the drive to meet new people. I'd rather them come up to me than me go up to them. This is very weird for me as I am a people person and I don't find myself uncomfortable in traditionally uncomfortable situations, but now I'd rather have someone start a conversation with me than me starting the conversation with them, which is how I used to be. It's like I've lost the motivation to confront someone, but when they confront me I have no problem conversing and befriending them. I guess a better way to put it is now, I don't necessarily need other people to be content with life; I just need myself.


So for this past couple of months I have been feeling more "antisocial" than normal or what the masses consider normal. There is nothing wrong with not wanting to interact with people and instead find pleasure in your own company. After all enjoying your own company is part of the self realization process during your awakening journey. Furthemore I feel that to truly love others you most first love yourself.
I most clarify that I have always enjoy my alone time I'm the oldest in a family of seven so I have always been around someone when I used to live at home. At school I had no problems talking to people and I'm sure no one would have consider me "antisocial" if they were to approach and interact with me . This trimester will be the last of my undergraduate learning if you can even call it learning , but up to this year I felt a decrease in my desire to socialize and make new friends.
Don't get me wrong if I could go for a coffee with anyone from this fforum just to talk about the conversations brought up here I would gladly spend the whole day doing it. I guess the thing that turns me off is people's lack of interest in what truly is worth contemplating and talking about, instead of how the latest Nikes have this cool new feature or how epic last nights winning play was? Etc etc
The funny thing is that I can't just go to my apartment and hangout with my roommate the whole day , is like i have an ...itch yea it feels just like that an itch. An itch to be around others but with no interaction PREFERABLY lol. Is like I'm in my ZONE , I'm the most comfortable when this is the case So I got to thinking and I was wondering am I a first wave or a second wave according to Dolores cannon I'm currently 22 . Or is it that I'm raising my vibrations higher compare to everyone else so you could argue that it would be uncomfortable to be around lower vibrations produce my them ?? My roommate has brought up the fact of this antisocial behavior coming from me . Anyone else behaving "anti socially"?

[Dorjezigzag]

Bjork expressed it so well

as much as i definitely enjoy solitude
i wouldn't mind perhaps
spending little time with you
sometimes
sometimes

possibly maybe probably love

ZP5OA0SCMZA

[Mike]

May be....

Just may be....

Conspiracy forums have this impact on people...


so true! ha! internet forums: a place for the anti-social to socialize!

i can be a bit anti-social, but none of you would know it if we met up in a real-life social situation. i enjoy being with friends and like minds and can be just as gregarious as the next drunken fool, but ONLY ON MY TERMS. meaning, i'll never go anywhere i can't leave in the drop of a dime if i feel like leaving. if i stay even a moment longer my energy just gushes out of me like a waterfall, and i can get quite ornery. in my youth this resulted in punch-ups, but now i just won't allow myself to be put in that situation.

at times , my anti-socialness has been thought of as pompousness, but this is far from true. (my opinion of myself dwindles daily, trust me;)) but if you've lived a certain kind of life, filled with trauma after trauma, it becomes difficult to relate to others-- which can be very frustrating. the answer, i've found, is to not even try to relate. unless, of course, you're amongst like minds. like Avalon, for example.

[normam2]

Wow you basically wrote what I have concluded in that beautifully written quotation from the study In that eventually none of this motivators are bad and aree needed in order to compare, contrast and eventually be able to unify them into a new form of society that strides for balance and acceptance. Rather that have one with surpluses and a judgemental outlook.

[normam2]

As much as I sympathize with hermit mode (and in fact I've spent big blocks of time as a hermit myself), I have also realized that we came to this dance to get out on the floor and dance, and not hold back as wall flowers. Our reluctance can be rationalized in all sorts of ways, but life is always calling us to go beyond ourselves and jump in with both feet. Love wants us to love, because that's how it grows and spreads. By avoiding relationships, we're actually defeating the heart's deepest desire. Of course, every situation is different, and there are times when solitude is appropriate, but the opportunity presented by this life is a rare one, and that's especially true now. If people like us withdraw, what will remain to make the kind of difference we would like to see? Who are we serving by pulling away? On the other hand, by immersing ourselves in the stream and bustle of life every now and then, we will find that we are also served. That's what unity consciousness is all about, serving and being served. If it really is "all God", then what part of God is not worthy of being engaged? I suppose what I am getting at is, we need to question our reluctance too -- is the motive selfish and fear-based, for instance? It's important to look closely.

:yo:

My friend has recently been studying enneagrams. In a workshop they asked people to go stand in one of 3 groups which represent their motivating drive in life --- Social, Sexual, Self-Preserving

Here's the link from which I've excerpted (http://www.enneagram.net/instsub.html):



".... I found that the instinctual drives appear to be not only instrumental in distinguishing the different styles of manifesting our Enneagram type behavior, but also perhaps the stronger, more unconscious, yet all-pervasive element of our personality type. Our instinctual drives motivate us in the ongoing human struggle to create and sustain relationships, to aggressively seek what we need to survive, and to defend what we have and fear losing. Clearly, the journey toward wholeness might well include the conscious exploration of these relatively untraveled, instinctual roads, and thus ultimately lead to a more balanced and integrated awareness..."



Wow you basically wrote what I have concluded in that beautifully written quotation from the study In that eventually none of this motivators are bad and aree needed in order to compare, contrast and eventually be able to unify them into a new form of society that strides for balance and acceptance. Rather that have one with surpluses and a judgemental outlook.

[truth4me]

May be....

Just may be....

Conspiracy forums have this impact on people...I think we learn so much by the forums we visit. I know if I read something on here that interest me I research it and become more enlighten by it. What the the WORLD not mother Earth has to offer is something that I do not want anymore. I have to work with this women who loves to talk about guns. She mentions about how she carries one and about her father being a gun lover too. I understand protecting yourself but guns are made for killing plain and simple. This is what I mean by being out of touch with the people of the WORLD.....

[truth4me]

yep . more and more each day. We don't belong here. we are ready to fly. being earthbound real drag, know what I mean ?? our home is out there , not here. You've hit the nail squarely on the head with your reply.....

[ginnyk]

It is wonderful to see that so many of us feel the same way. I have been "awakened" since 1960 and have experienced this all of my life. I have found that it seems to cycle like inhalation and exhalation, and learned to accept that as normal.

I did want to take this opportunity to express my thanks to all of you here at PA. During this past year I lost my husband to cancer, and have been very reclusive because the pain of "outside noise" is almost unbearable. I spend several hours lurking with you every day. Mostly, it is difficult to participate, but more and more I am feeling more confident to join in. It is interesting that the more I have learned over all the years, the less I feel that I know. Therefore, it is hard to express an opinion because I know that to me, facts are so fluid that tomorrow they probably will look different. So that brings me back around to it's easier to just keep my opinions to myself.

Really enjoying this thread.

Gin

[pilotsimone]

I did want to take this opportunity to express my thanks to all of you here at PA. During this past year I lost my husband to cancer, and have been very reclusive because the pain of "outside noise" is almost unbearable. I spend several hours lurking with you every day. Mostly, it is difficult to participate, but more and more I am feeling more confident to join in.

I'm very happy you are here and appreciate your vulnerable post, Gin. :hug: I have a feeling it will touch many.



It is interesting that the more I have learned over all the years, the less I feel that I know.

Yes, I resonate with this very much.

[andrewgreen]

The most frustrating thing for me is having a girlfriend who has no interest in learning about the truth, any ideas what I can do to inspire her?

[Midnight Rambler]

To react directly to the title of this thread: Nope not one bit (not more than normal :)) And I sense a frustration about people who have not woken up. What about a little more forgiveness and a little less elitism please. We can't all be as cool as we are, right :p

I know its sad to see that people are a victim of the programming going on. I just let them be and help when help is asked for. Other than that I have learned not to see them as inferior just because I am blessed with some insights and interest in how the world really works instead of regurgitating the 8 o'clock news.

I hope I didn't offend anyone, just my 2 cents for what its worth.

Regards,

MR

[Conaire]

The most frustrating thing for me is having a girlfriend who has no interest in learning about the truth, any ideas what I can do to inspire her?

Have you suggested watching a film? The likes of "Thrive" which is now available for free online and is a great place to start. It's full of information and facts that I'd imagine would get anyones attention. If you are open and honest and "in the moment" your girlfriend will change just by being in your company, even if it's on a subtle level that might not be noticed.

[Alie]

To react directly to the title of this thread: Nope not one bit (not more than normal :)) And I sense a frustration about people who have not woken up. What about a little more forgiveness and a little less elitism please. We can't all be as cool as we are, right :p

I know its sad to see that people are a victim of the programming going on. I just let them be and help when help is asked for. Other than that I have learned not to see them as inferior just because I am blessed with some insights and interest in how the world really works instead of regurgitating the 8 o'clock news.

I hope I didn't offend anyone, just my 2 cents for what its worth.

Regards,

MR

Well you would really have to feel like an "oddball' to realize this thread is more of a call out "why am I here if no one really gets me?" And then, you feel with a post like this, "Oh, I'm not the only one like this". So this is not meant to be an "against others" but rather, "for us quiet/low key folks".

[we-R-one]

At times, all I can think while talking to someone outside, watching a nice fat juicy chem trail being sprayed right over our heads, is something like: "You know, we're fortunate enough to be living at such a pivotal point in the history of mankind, that we have the potential to carve out the kind of material myths and legends are created from. And the best we have to discuss here is what college seniors are available for next season's draft?"

LMAO, I'm laughing hysterically at this comment, guess I'm extra giddy this Friday, but that was really funny Fred....cause it's true, I do the same thing. I'll be outside talking to a neighbor and they'll be telling me something of zero significance and all I can think of is that damn chemtrail in the background, lol.

Here's one for you from a couple of years ago....so I'm with my husband, who really doesn't get any of this ascension stuff by the way, and we're on this camping trip. Of course after we pitch our tent and I'm sitting there gazing up into the sky cursing about how I can't seem to get away from these dang chemtrails.....Well my husband, being irritated with having to listen to my stories 7 days a week asks me to give it a rest. Later that day we head up to this amazing hot springs resort, which is out in the middle of no-man's land. This place is surrounded by nothing but forests for as far as the eye can see, tucked away in God's country, right....

We pull up, and there's no body around...cause it's out in the middle of no where...and this crusty old guy comes to greet us...I'm not kidding you, he looked like he had walked out of a time machine from the 1800's, by the way he was dressed, along with his toothless grin....I mean he matched the building structures perfectly as they're dated from the late 1800's. The first thing out of his mouth in that twangy kinda 1800's type of talk was, "Did ya see them there _od-damned chemtrails up there in the sky?!"

Of course I'm laughing hysterically cause that was the last thing I expected this guy to notice or even say for that matter and the look on my husband's face was priceless, cause no matter how hard he tries to "avoid" the truth he can't seem to get away from it. So yes Fred, I can totally relate to your comment cause I'm thinking the same thing, lmao.

[ginnyk]

At times, all I can think while talking to someone outside, watching a nice fat juicy chem trail being sprayed right over our heads, is something like: "You know, we're fortunate enough to be living at such a pivotal point in the history of mankind, that we have the potential to carve out the kind of material myths and legends are created from. And the best we have to discuss here is what college seniors are available for next season's draft?"

LMAO, I'm laughing hysterically at this comment, guess I'm extra giddy this Friday, but that was really funny Fred....cause it's true, I do the same thing. I'll be outside talking to a neighbor and they'll be telling me something of zero significance and all I can think of is that damn chemtrail in the background, lol.

Here's one for you from a couple of years ago....so I'm with my husband, who really doesn't get any of this ascension stuff by the way, and we're on this camping trip. Of course after we pitch our tent and I'm sitting there gazing up into the sky cursing about how I can't seem to get away from these dang chemtrails.....Well my husband, being irritated with having to listen to my stories 7 days a week asks me to give it a rest. Later that day we head up to this amazing hot springs resort, which is out in the middle of no-man's land. This place is surrounded by nothing but forests for as far as the eye can see, tucked away in God's country, right....

We pull up, and there's no body around...cause it's out in the middle of no where...and this crusty old guy comes to greet us...I'm not kidding you, he looked like he had walked out of a time machine from the 1800's, by the way he was dressed, along with his toothless grin....I mean he matched the building structures perfectly as they're dated from the late 1800's. The first thing out of his mouth in that twangy kinda 1800's type of talk was, "Did ya see them there _od-damned chemtrails up there in the sky?!"

Of course I'm laughing hysterically cause that was the last thing I expected this guy to notice or even say for that matter and the look on my husband's face was priceless, cause no matter how hard he tries to "avoid" the truth he can't seem to get away from it. So yes Fred, I can totally relate to your comment cause I'm thinking the same thing, lmao.

Love it! When we moved to the Ozark Mountains, we saw neighbors who looked like they were from Central Casting for the Beverly Hillbillies. But the interesting thing is that during the 60's a lot of people decided to quietly do their thing in secluded areas. You never know if one of those grizzly old characters came from Berkley or other hi-tech lives and decided to ditch it all and live a life that mattered to them. It is a real lesson in suspending judgement. There probably a lot of college degrees packed away back in the woods.

Gin

[oddjob428]

You are probably 3rd wave.

[bluestflame]

i think it's the reaction to inauthenticity wether through the spoken word, or energetically( if you're really sensative) that's behind the aversion (at least it is for me)

lately i just can't be around most people and if i have an appointment in the outside world i have to build meself up for it so i can "get through it"

[seehas]

since many years it gives me the feeling of people beeing unhonest, not the me and not personaly, but i feel sometimes why people say things how they do caused by programming and not even knowing and this stuff somethimes flashes into my mind while talking to them ... sometimes i wish i could turn it off.

i try not to judge people since most are victim of fear based programming, fear of losing the job, fear of what the neighbour would think, fear of getting old, fear of beeing alone, fear of beeing poor ... but like bill hicks said: its just a RIDE ! ;)

have a beautiful weekend everyone ! :cool:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMUiwTubYu0

[Mystique]

I have been studying a bit of Marshal McLuhan, a writer, Professor of Literature and what some say was the last true Philosopher.

According to McLuhan, before writing, we lived in tight tribal societies, had little privacy, and passed down our wisdom verbally - often in our storytelling. This McLuhan called the "Acoustic Age."

The Acoustic Age was, by its nature:
boundless
directionless
horizonless
and charged with emotion.

Words create their own reality by creating their own spaces. This harks back to the Genesis where the spoken word created the world, and "it was good."

With writing, space became bound. Reading each word, one after the other made space
linear
ordered
structured
and rational.

Writing also changed our relationship to cycles, rhythms and timing into a bound relationship within an artificial construct of time.

With the written page, there were:
edges
margins
and sharply defined letters, row after row.

It brought a new way of looking at, and experiencing space - creating time.

It also focused the eye, at the expense of the other senses, isolating us into a visual perspective.

The Gutenberg Press transformed writing into mechanized print. People needed a private space to read - which isolated people from each other. The linear progression of reading, using only the eyes, isolated the eyes from the rest of the body and its senses. This separated classes - the literate from the illiterate, leading to nationalism - a society composed of individuals with private identities and goals. It created its own Galaxy in a way.

Then, four centuries later, the telegraph electrified the mechanized print.

Speech lost the quality that made it part of the culture of acoustic space.

Radio, a powerful extension of speech, created another loss by reducing speech to aural. It is only listened to and only creates the illusion of speech.

Then we get the television, and computers, and now the internet.

The internet is a game changer because there is instant access to everything, and almost everyone, as the computers themselves are getting smaller and smaller. It is opening up our relationship to time and space and re-defining our relationships with the outer world.

Each new technology creates new sensory environments through the amputation of the previous ones - which creates a partial disassociation of sensory life in a sedantary society.

So for those of us who have been on this planet for a while the rapid changes in our environment and our sensory relationship to it, and each other, has moved so fast it has become difficult to keep up.

Here on the forum, we are virtually connected, yet only visually - with words, videos, skype - without our other senses. We can feel a kinship of like-mindedness, yet isolated from each other tactically.

Those around us who are trapped within the television and advertising memes, on their cell phones and social networks, may be more sensory present, but there is a disconnect. With access to so much new information - that is changing rapidly, every single moment - it is even more challenging to have even an opinion.

Factor in the ever changing information on conspiracies, the vast amount of misinformation, and the revealing of secrets and geez..........no wonder we are feeling a "tad bit anti-social."

[crosby]

Mystique, that was a phenomenal post. thank you so much.
warmest regards, corson

[Alie]

I have been studying a bit of Marshal McLuhan, a writer, Professor of Literature and what some say was the last true Philosopher.

According to McLuhan, before writing, we lived in tight tribal societies, had little privacy, and passed down our wisdom verbally - often in our storytelling. This McLuhan called the "Acoustic Age."

The Acoustic Age was, by its nature:
boundless
directionless
horizonless
and charged with emotion.

Words create their own reality by creating their own spaces. This harks back to the Genesis where the spoken word created the world, and "it was good."

With writing, space became bound. Reading each word, one after the other made space
linear
ordered
structured
and rational.

Writing also changed our relationship to cycles, rhythms and timing into a bound relationship within an artificial construct of time.

With the written page, there were:
edges
margins
and sharply defined letters, row after row.

It brought a new way of looking at, and experiencing space - creating time.

It also focused the eye, at the expense of the other senses, isolating us into a visual perspective.

The Gutenberg Press transformed writing into mechanized print. People needed a private space to read - which isolated people from each other. The linear progression of reading, using only the eyes, isolated the eyes from the rest of the body and its senses. This separated classes - the literate from the illiterate, leading to nationalism - a society composed of individuals with private identities and goals. It created its own Galaxy in a way.

Then, four centuries later, the telegraph electrified the mechanized print.

Speech lost the quality that made it part of the culture of acoustic space.

Radio, a powerful extension of speech, created another loss by reducing speech to aural. It is only listened to and only creates the illusion of speech.

Then we get the television, and computers, and now the internet.

The internet is a game changer because there is instant access to everything, and almost everyone, as the computers themselves are getting smaller and smaller. It is opening up our relationship to time and space and re-defining our relationships with the outer world.

Each new technology creates new sensory environments through the amputation of the previous ones - which creates a partial disassociation of sensory life in a sedantary society.

So for those of us who have been on this planet for a while the rapid changes in our environment and our sensory relationship to it, and each other, has moved so fast it has become difficult to keep up.

Here on the forum, we are virtually connected, yet only visually - with words, videos, skype - without our other senses. We can feel a kinship of like-mindedness, yet isolated from each other tactically.

Those around us who are trapped within the television and advertising memes, on their cell phones and social networks, may be more sensory present, but there is a disconnect. With access to so much new information - that is changing rapidly, every single moment - it is even more challenging to have even an opinion.

Factor in the ever changing information on conspiracies, the vast amount of misinformation, and the revealing of secrets and geez..........no wonder we are feeling a "tad bit anti-social."

So helpful ... you sound like a James Martinez disciple as well --- which I view as a compliment.

[jjjones]

normam2 and all my avalonian friends on this thread, this exact subject has been on my mind for a while, was surprised when i saw this. glad to know that i am not alone with these feelings and i saw something of myself in each of you. wish there were more people where i live that i could discuss subjects that are on p.a. the majority of the people are so materialistic and shallow. all they can see are "THINGS" that they want, need or are going to get. what the movie stars are doing and wearing, the men and some women wrapped up in the "SPORTS" and the stock market, their portfolio's etc. with this mundane talk i see why i prefer a little seclusion. they all seemed programmed like the "stepford wives". when you do get a hint of a partially intelligent conversation, they answer just like the media news. not an original thought among them. i love people and to socialize, but our energies and vibrations are changing big time. sure wish they would wake up and smell the roses because they are going to be in for a huge surprise in the near future. thank you all for your great input on a great topic. take care my friends. namaste, peace and love universally :)

[Referee]

I have been. I do not trust people as much as I used to. I tend to stay in more and more.

[TigaHawk]

I dislike people more and more im finding :S


All they seem to care about is the latest popular band, actors, magazines, makeup and who their current dream screw is.

Try to bring up anything "real" with them - ie how the carbon tax will effect us, flouride in the water, and they switch subject like you just mentioned a taboo, or laugh and just say "thats the way it is your dreaming if you think it could be otherwise"


That and my walk home from the trainstation is more and more frustrating. Especialy friday evenings.

Wish i could be wearing one of the US's superbowl outfits. Travel time is trippled purely because of the # of people en-masse that dordle outside shop fronts (they're walking the same way as you, all in a line so they're taking up 80% of the footpath, then one stops as they see something in the shop window, so all of them stops, and the "lane then becomes blocked") As the current look of burning hatred in my eyes just doesnt seem to work.

It angers me so much i think because theres so much going on in the world WHICH EFFECTS THEM, as well as everyone else around them, but they're completely oblivious, and seem to think the latest handbag or dress is much more important.

[Mystique]

So helpful ... you sound like a James Martinez disciple as well --- which I view as a compliment.

Yes, I have totally immersed myself into the "cash flow archives" for the last few weeks.

I am seeing my previous life flash before my eyes, waving goodbye, as something else is emerging that words can only point at.

[we-R-one]

Love it! When we moved to the Ozark Mountains, we saw neighbors who looked like they were from Central Casting for the Beverly Hillbillies. But the interesting thing is that during the 60's a lot of people decided to quietly do their thing in secluded areas. You never know if one of those grizzly old characters came from Berkley or other hi-tech lives and decided to ditch it all and live a life that mattered to them. It is a real lesson in suspending judgement. There probably a lot of college degrees packed away back in the woods.

Gin

That's so true! I know of a lot of people who have done that and they couldn't be happier.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Just recently I found myself reacting very strangely to somebody. They were complaining that their life was very unsatisfactory and a wave came over me and I said something like "What is rubbish is your attitude. Do you expect to have a good life while you're acting like that? Your victim mentality and passive-aggressive attitude really are infuriating! You let horrid people walk all over you and then spill out your pent up bile on the people around you who want you to be happy — and you wonder why you're not happy!? This learned helplessness really is sickening 'if I roll over onto my back and whine with my puppy dog eyes, maybe somebody will give me their crumbs' — how do you not realise that is everything that is wrong with your life? Change it or put up with it, but for God's sake stop bitching about it"

I found myself not inclined in the least to sugar the pill or to relent, and it took my quite some effort to halt the verbal onslaught. I about stopped myself before I told her people like her were the reason the world was such a hell hole, but I certainly thought it pretty loudly. It didn't feel like me saying, but I think she definitely needed to hear it. Maybe this world is in such a mess that some of us have no choice but to withdraw from it periodically... it's a bit of a sanity saver.

[RUSirius]

I live in a difficult part of the world where you need to be very cautious of who you let in your life, so I have to keep many people a little at bay right now at least. I believe that many of us can raise the vibrations of the earth without being social, some of us are here to contribute in that manner, to raise the vibrations of the planet, and not necessary in an super social manner, some of us. I guarantee if most of us met with any of us, we would not consider any of us anti-social, due to our mutual amazing interests, we could ponder and discuss almost endlessly, I think if you just meet everyone with love, treat them as best you can, that is more important than being "social"..

[Fellow Aspirant]

For sure.

And with the anti-social trending, an upsurge in loneliness and sadness. I seek out some people just for company to feel "grounded" but almost no-one in my "real" circle of family and friends is interested in truth or spirituality. I do sing, now, in a community mens' chorus cause singing just feels so good, but it's only once a week. Even my wife just wants me to drop the subject whenever I bring up "conspiracy theories" or UFOs. She has NO interest, even in meditation, and only affords me a quiet space of listening ( ? ) if I get onto quantum theory or holographic reality. She feels my sanity is in doubt - and has threatened to leave me if I ever again profess to believe in moon bases or Dr Judy Wood type truths.

Thanks to some of the contributors to this forum, however, I feel that I'm not completely alone.

Namaste, one and all.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Oops I meant to post with a reply, as below.

I don't know how to delete this, though.

Scuse me!

[Fellow Aspirant]

I dislike people more and more im finding :S


All they seem to care about is the latest popular band, actors, magazines, makeup and who their current dream screw is.

Try to bring up anything "real" with them - ie how the carbon tax will effect us, flouride in the water, and they switch subject like you just mentioned a taboo, or laugh and just say "thats the way it is your dreaming if you think it could be otherwise"


That and my walk home from the trainstation is more and more frustrating. Especialy friday evenings.

Wish i could be wearing one of the US's superbowl outfits. Travel time is trippled purely because of the # of people en-masse that dordle outside shop fronts (they're walking the same way as you, all in a line so they're taking up 80% of the footpath, then one stops as they see something in the shop window, so all of them stops, and the "lane then becomes blocked") As the current look of burning hatred in my eyes just doesnt seem to work.

It angers me so much i think because theres so much going on in the world WHICH EFFECTS THEM, as well as everyone else around them, but they're completely oblivious, and seem to think the latest handbag or dress is much more important.

Yes! Years ago, a standup comic named Gallagher had a bit where he went on a rant about the dawdlers and blockers. I loved (and still do ) his solution: he had rigged a car horn up to a hefty 6 volt battery, and could carry the device like a large flashlight. His demonstration of the horn, which was incredibly loud, made everyone laugh, of course, but you could tell that everybody wanted one. These days, my fantasy involves the use of a small air horn. Haven't had the guts to actually do it, yet, but I'm gettin' mighty close!

[modwiz]

As much as I sympathize with hermit mode (and in fact I've spent big blocks of time as a hermit myself), I have also realized that we came to this dance to get out on the floor and dance, and not hold back as wall flowers. Our reluctance can be rationalized in all sorts of ways, but life is always calling us to go beyond ourselves and jump in with both feet. Love wants us to love, because that's how it grows and spreads. By avoiding relationships, we're actually defeating the heart's deepest desire. Of course, every situation is different, and there are times when solitude is appropriate, but the opportunity presented by this life is a rare one, and that's especially true now. If people like us withdraw, what will remain to make the kind of difference we would like to see? Who are we serving by pulling away? On the other hand, by immersing ourselves in the stream and bustle of life every now and then, we will find that we are also served. That's what unity consciousness is all about, serving and being served. If it really is "all God", then what part of God is not worthy of being engaged? I suppose what I am getting at is, we need to question our reluctance too -- is the motive selfish and fear-based, for instance? It's important to look closely.

:yo:

I am a massage therapist and although I live as a hermit, my time with people is up close and personal, to say the least. Conversation is often very much a part of things. Between the way I look and the answers I give, people realize they have entered another dimension when they are alone in a room with me. Gotcha! LOL. I carefully monitor how they are doing with any topic and will often self censor based on my sense of where they are. It is all part of being a professional and healing facilitator for me to not make them uncomfortable in any way that will not assist them. Since some of my work is deep and really get "in there" I allow for conversation to do the same if it will "work".

I eat in a common dining hall with hundreds of people sometimes, but I sit alone most times. People know I am approachable and friendly if they need to speak with me. I just do not find speaking and eating go together. Especially since some like to speak about their problems during a meal. That is a no no for me. Eating is sacred time and crapping on it with crappy talk doesn't work for me.

With all of the above said; my work provides me with plenty of socializing so my hermit time is seriously never an issue I need to examine. I am usually over-related at the end of any day.

You do bring up good points, if they apply.

[mosquito]

I've basically been antisocial all my life, apart from my drunken 20s. I hate small talk, and am totally unable to do it. Lately I've got to the point where I just can't bear being with anyone who isn't being authentic.

Much like Modwiz says in post 66, the area where I excel is in deep, 1 to 1 honest converstaions. I used to be a therapist, and this way of relating to people is very hard to shake off (not that I'd want to), expecially finding oneself back out in the world of inanity. In a nutshell, I'm a listener, not a talker. Strangley though, I DO like the other extremes of conversation, bawdy bar-room humour and general nonsense. I suppose it used to provide a balance to being 100% focussed on someone else's problems, and helped to ground me. Also, this type of banter is quite unpretentious. Give me the choice of a whore or a banker to talk to, and I'd choose the former every day.

Being a foreigner, I tend to attract different types of people who wish to engage me in conversation - children who just want to be friendly, this is possibly the nicest thing about China, the friendliness and openness of the children, and I love talking to them; men who want to show how knowledgable they think themselves to be by discussing politics or the "world financial crisis", topics which bore me senseless. When I do tell them my opinion, they never know what to do !!!! As I get older, the less I know and, to be honest, it's becoming increasingly dificult to talk about any topic with certainty.

But like so many others here, I don't in any way feel lonely ! I've always enjoyed solitude, and my time alone is very precious to me. When I need to get away from myself, trees provide the best company.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Mariposafe I'm so grateful you posted what you did; it was very insightful. I guess the distinction is loneliness-versus-being alone; being along is a fact, whether a physical/geographic fact or a social fact or whatever, but loneliness is a state of mind and a sense of alienation. It is that common thing "I can be lonely in a room full of people" and the opposite "I'm comfortable on my own". I've had periods when I've felt so disconnected from a higher spiritual world that I have had that attitude of a person in the middle of a depressive episode "I'm so alone. I have no will go to on. I have no motivation to do anything. I'm so small" and then at other times I have those periods which might be called manic when the world is brilliant, overflowing with goodness and every little thing in it is amazing and actually not all that little and I am brilliant and great and powerful but it's even better than that because so is everybody else.

In both cases there's nothing different about the 'objective world', if that even really exists — the only thing that is different is the interpretative lens. I really do think depression and some forms of mania are respectively a weaker and stronger connection to a higher spiritual reality, almost as though people are too sensitive or 'innocent' for the world they've found themselves in. My point is that I think we are happy being alone and being different because what differentiates us is we have an ever-so-slightly wider crack in the doorway to the higher spiritual planes. I'm not saying that makes any of us better than anybody else (anybody who can see more can probably see enough not to make such distinctions) but we are comforted in the knowledge that this world is only the crust and we have the tasty, tasty pie-filling awaiting us.

I think a quote from a poem I like is relevant here:





"I sup above, and cannot stay,
To bait so long upon the way."

– Andrew Marvell, 'A Dialogue between the Resolved Soul and Created Pleasure'

[Timreh]

To put things in perspective mankind is really the one who is alone, having isolated himself from all living things, from our beautiful Gaia and Source itself.. what I think many of us are actually doing is finding ways to re-connect and that connection comes from within, maybe removing ourselves from all the noise and buzz is our way of doing that?


Me.. I guess I am switching off, maybe I am de-programming myself, whatever I am doing it just feels right, I just know, I don’t know what I know but I trust my intuition.
I don't understand all that is happening today but I believe in myself, I believe in those around me, and I believe in those that are yet to awaken..

[Alie]

For sure.

And with the anti-social trending, an upsurge in loneliness and sadness. I seek out some people just for company to feel "grounded" but almost no-one in my "real" circle of family and friends is interested in truth or spirituality. I do sing, now, in a community mens' chorus cause singing just feels so good, but it's only once a week. Even my wife just wants me to drop the subject whenever I bring up "conspiracy theories" or UFOs. She has NO interest, even in meditation, and only affords me a quiet space of listening ( ? ) if I get onto quantum theory or holographic reality. She feels my sanity is in doubt - and has threatened to leave me if I ever again profess to believe in moon bases or Dr Judy Wood type truths.

Thanks to some of the contributors to this forum, however, I feel that I'm not completely alone.

Namaste, one and all.

Just say "'I really like me and it's ok if no one else does." This is what I say. Since I work 35 hours/week, I definitely get my fix with the world --- but I understand people. Most are in "survival mode" and it helps me appreciate their way of being.

Most people (like ourselves) have been programmed into sheeple. We can't be upset that they can't look beyond survival mode --- it's too much for them to think (their opinion) "like a freak".

And it definitely hurts when you know they think they are "smarter" than you and want to patronize you or "pat you on the head" just to shut you up.

It's ok. We're finding out why we're like we are. (And I like me just like this!)

[Ernie Nemeth]

Well, it seems we are all in agreement for once. Excellent.

I only have a few friends I can tolerate. None I can talk at length with about these matters. But since I've been at this since way before it was fashionable, I've learned to just say my truth and let it be. Few can argue for long, since I'm well armed. But I'm not a debater and I do not like conflict. But facts are facts.

What I've seen is that most already know something is wrong, really wrong. But they have not bothered to figure out what. Mainly because of the very effective programming they have received and continue to have upgraded by various sources. Some do not want to hear any of it and that's fine. We came here with memories erased for a reason. For some that reason has yet to be fulfilled. These are not ready to hear. But I find there are fewer and fewer of them. Unless I am being lead to those who need to or want to or are scheduled to listen.

It's all good.

I know there is going to have to be a reckoning for those that have abused their power and priviledge. I'm glad there are those amongst us ready to take on this task. I know that I am not. It is not my task, I feel.

I leave that to the light warriors or whatever they like to be called. My hat goes off to them.

Thanks

[Debra]

normam2,

Thank you for opening this thread. I have read everyone thus far and it is a learning again to take on board how others are making sense of feeling anti-social or, experiencing 'others' in our lives who will look at us like we are losing it :)

These days, I just create the space when someone opens my door a little. It is with these folk that I am here for. Although it would seem others are getting lost in this transition, I am always grateful when even just one person decides they want to know a little more. They are coming out, in their own good time, and hopefully we will all get busier.

Which probably leads to what I want to say about being anti-social. Sure, these days I like to spend time with myself and enjoy immensely my time here on Avalon. And, if I am not enjoying a conversation, I will find a way of moving on. But I check in with myself first - because there is a reason why I have put myself into this situation. In any situation, for that matter, where it calls for relating with somebody else. The point I am trying to make is, I figure that we also still have a lot to learn from others - even if we think they are not with the program yet.

Everyone comes into our life for a reason, and it is not only about us serving them. I believe that it goes two ways. They have something to teach us, and I look for that. I don´t know everything, that is for sure, but I do know that I still have a lot to learn.



So for this past couple of months I have been feeling more "antisocial" than normal or what the masses consider normal. There is nothing wrong with not wanting to interact with people and instead find pleasure in your own company. After all enjoying your own company is part of the self realization process during your awakening journey. Furthemore I feel that to truly love others you most first love yourself.
I most clarify that I have always enjoy my alone time I'm the oldest in a family of seven so I have always been around someone when I used to live at home. At school I had no problems talking to people and I'm sure no one would have consider me "antisocial" if they were to approach and interact with me . This trimester will be the last of my undergraduate learning if you can even call it learning , but up to this year I felt a decrease in my desire to socialize and make new friends.
Don't get me wrong if I could go for a coffee with anyone from this fforum just to talk about the conversations brought up here I would gladly spend the whole day doing it. I guess the thing that turns me off is people's lack of interest in what truly is worth contemplating and talking about, instead of how the latest Nikes have this cool new feature or how epic last nights winning play was? Etc etc
The funny thing is that I can't just go to my apartment and hangout with my roommate the whole day , is like i have an ...itch yea it feels just like that an itch. An itch to be around others but with no interaction PREFERABLY lol. Is like I'm in my ZONE , I'm the most comfortable when this is the case So I got to thinking and I was wondering am I a first wave or a second wave according to Dolores cannon I'm currently 22 . Or is it that I'm raising my vibrations higher compare to everyone else so you could argue that it would be uncomfortable to be around lower vibrations produce my them ?? My roommate has brought up the fact of this antisocial behavior coming from me . Anyone else behaving "anti socially"?

[Sidney]

You know, I was thinking about the being lonely thing, and the truth is, the only time I really feel lonely is when I am in the presence of people that are clueless. when I am ALONE, is when I am the least lonely. That said, I made some major progress with my kids. Ages 12 and 14. They all know I skywatch, and they too have seen the orb ufos, but in the past they still rolled their eyes at me like I'm off my rocker.
The other day in the car, not sure how we got on the ufo subject, I think one of them was talking about the life on mars stuff that was in mainstream. I told them that I believed that "others" have been on this planet for years, they are walking around right next to us and we dont even know. That they are not little green men, or even grey with huge eyes, but humans just like us, only smarter.lol Then, I told them to not believe me because I their mom. I said,"you know how to research on the internet, don't take my word for things, if you want the truth about whatever subject it may be, look it up, dig deep, and learn to listen to your gut instincts, and eventually you will know in your heart what the truth is.
The next day, my oldest said she wanted to star-watch with me, (and she was the biggest eyeroller out of them all). ; )

I apologize for drifting a bit off topic, but I do believe there is hope for the youth, if we can get them before the brainwashing is too deep. They are sponges for information, and when given the opportunity to feed themselves the information, they are more likely to be open to it than when it's forced.

[scarletfire]

Sometimes I feel like I've been planted in the middle of the twilight zone. I absolutely can't relate to the majority of views held by my peers and coworkers, its kinda like most folks subscribe to an image and accept the coordinating thought program without question. In my experience, questioning mainstream programming earns resentment as truth and reason seem uncomfortable to digest. On the other hand, I have developed great friendships with those who are able to catch on to dishonesty and selfish motivations in our society. Perhaps I am wishful thinking, but it seems like more people are starting to ask questions and less people look at me like I have two heads when I open my mouth. It may be nice to integrate into a more enlightened society one day as I've got a taste of it here at project avalon, I'm grateful for such a community.;)

[normam2]

You know, I was thinking about the being lonely thing, and the truth is, the only time I really feel lonely is when I am in the presence of people that are clueless. when I am ALONE, is when I am the least lonely. That said, I made some major progress with my kids. Ages 12 and 14. They all know I skywatch, and they too have seen the orb ufos, but in the past they still rolled their eyes at me like I'm off my rocker.
The other day in the car, not sure how we got on the ufo subject, I think one of them was talking about the life on mars stuff that was in mainstream. I told them that I believed that "others" have been on this planet for years, they are walking around right next to us and we dont even know. That they are not little green men, or even grey with huge eyes, but humans just like us, only smarter.lol Then, I told them to not believe me because I their mom. I said,"you know how to research on the internet, don't take my word for things, if you want the truth about whatever subject it may be, look it up, dig deep, and learn to listen to your gut instincts, and eventually you will know in your heart what the truth is.
The next day, my oldest said she wanted to star-watch with me, (and she was the biggest eyeroller out of them all). ; )




I apologize for drifting a bit off topic, but I do believe there is hope for the youth, if we can get them before the brainwashing
is too deep. They are sponges for information, and when given the opportunity to feed themselves the information, they are more likely to be open to it than when it's forced.


Your anecdote brought a huge chuckle out of me because it reminded me of the incident that happened one time when I went home for the weekend to see my family. I was in the living room with my two youngest brothers , one is 11 the other 12 . We were just about to watch ancient aliens (the first time for them ) when a commercial about the new 9 11 documentary appeared out of nowhere my youngest says to my oldest "9 11 was fake , it was man made by America " to which my oldest said " no your silly that could never be " then turns and asks me if this was true to which I said yes. I was going to say more but the youngest took over and provided him with an explanation . To say the least I was delighted , my youngest talking to the older about the facts of the "real worl". I mean when I was their age I was still playing with barbies and could have cared less about this things....idk make you think "something's in the works"

[Cilka]

I am also guilty of being antisocial. I agree with Pilotsimone, sometimes we have to break free from the old herd on our journey of awakening. Though, I read somewhere that being antisocial is actually a mental disorder. I am glad that there are so many of you here who share with me the same mental illness. At least we don't contaminate the empty space around us with meaningless words.

[Sidney]

I am also guilty of being antisocial. I agree with Pilotsimone, sometimes we have to break free from the old herd on our journey of awakening. Though, I read somewhere that being antisocial is actually a mental disorder. I am glad that there are so many of you here who share with me the same mental illness. At least we don't contaminate the empty space around us with meaningless words.

Well if that's what it is, I am proud to be mentally ill. LOL:loco::crazy::whistle::ohwell::wacko2::fie:

[greybeard]

Yes I am too----
Chris

[jorr lundstrom]

We are two hermits, living together. No problems. Ive said things that
people cant get all my life. If I wanna say sth today I talk to the cats,
the chickens and the daffodils and the lady. We are at the same level. I
dont say much to people in my daily life, why should I? Those who get
wot Im saying already knows it and the others just dont get it, and I
dont want any bill for their confusion. LOL


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/fool.jpg



All is well


Jorr 2.0

[Humble Janitor]

I have this desire where I am simply sick and tired of the human race.

I have met more goofy, brainwashed people than I have ever wanted to meet. It's depressing to see that society has succumbed to the many things warned about by intellectuals and even movies like "Idiocracy".

We are the watchers indeed. We are watching the human race disintegrate.

[Rogerc]

Totally agreed. It is painful to listen to babbling conversations that you can predict how they'll start and finish from 50 paces away.

Nowadays, when I see it coming I literally turn and walk away. I no longer feel obliged to engage.

If someone doesn't respect my obvious desire not to be bothered (which sometimes happens, though rarely) a quick handshake, a patronizing 'howarya' and then proverbial sand gets kicked in their face as I quit the scene.

I can't even fake interest anymore. I feel about as cheerful as Baudelaire when in the company of my fellow man. Most of the time. An increasing percentage of the time.

It makes me feel ill. Lately, when in the company of, or even in the near proximity of.... anyone who wants to spew opinion as though it were fact, or fact as though it were truth, I scowl like a gremlin and will them to leave in my mind...

Curtis, you're absolutely right. 'Say what you mean and mean what you say'. But think, before opening your mouth, and blowing out ****. The truth dwells in silence. (not you Curtis a general 'Us'),

[Rogerc]

Thank god for that. I thought I was the only schizoid sociopath.

[Sabrina]

Yep me too..... baaa humbug...... grrrr.....as others have said, think we are finding it harder and harder to resonate with those vibrating on a different frequency - or going to those dead vacuous places like shopping malls etc. Don't bother to turn on the TV anymore or read newspapers full of spin, or do the social chit chat. Perhaps the changing to 12 or 13 strands of DNA (see Lauren Gorgo) makes a difference to all of this.

But do find the need to find my 'tribe' in addition to cyberspace lifesavers like Avalon, and recently set up a local meet up group with similar spiritual/conspiracy odd bods.

The London 5 May Avalon meet up will also be good for this.

And occasionally just come across people in the street and there's that light bulb moment that they are on the same path.

And do get the need to just go and stare at the sun (not recommended when driving).

[RunningDeer]

Yes! Years ago, a standup comic named Gallagher had a bit where he went on a rant about the dawdlers and blockers. I loved (and still do ) his solution: he had rigged a car horn up to a hefty 6 volt battery, and could carry the device like a large flashlight. His demonstration of the horn, which was incredibly loud, made everyone laugh, of course, but you could tell that everybody wanted one. These days, my fantasy involves the use of a small air horn. Haven't had the guts to actually do it, yet, but I'm gettin' mighty close!

Here, Fellow Aspirant, you can borrow mine. It appears bigger in the picture, but it fits in my pocket. I never need to take it out. My air horn serves a dual purpose: people stop all the babble and look around for the sound, and it also makes for a great get away opportunity. :wave:

[modwiz]

I feel fine. Now leave me alone! :sarcastic:

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Yes! Years ago, a standup comic named Gallagher had a bit where he went on a rant about the dawdlers and blockers. I loved (and still do ) his solution: he had rigged a car horn up to a hefty 6 volt battery, and could carry the device like a large flashlight. His demonstration of the horn, which was incredibly loud, made everyone laugh, of course, but you could tell that everybody wanted one. These days, my fantasy involves the use of a small air horn. Haven't had the guts to actually do it, yet, but I'm gettin' mighty close!

I'd have more use for that big hammer he used to smash things. :eyebrows:

[jorr lundstrom]

I feel fine. Now leave me alone! :sarcastic:

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Yes! Years ago, a standup comic named Gallagher had a bit where he went on a rant about the dawdlers and blockers. I loved (and still do ) his solution: he had rigged a car horn up to a hefty 6 volt battery, and could carry the device like a large flashlight. His demonstration of the horn, which was incredibly loud, made everyone laugh, of course, but you could tell that everybody wanted one. These days, my fantasy involves the use of a small air horn. Haven't had the guts to actually do it, yet, but I'm gettin' mighty close!

I'd have more use for that big hammer he used to smash things. :eyebrows:


I happen to have an other handy tool for you Modwiz. Like it?


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/doubleaxe.jpg


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[modwiz]

I feel fine. Now leave me alone! :sarcastic:

¤=[Post Update]=¤



Yes! Years ago, a standup comic named Gallagher had a bit where he went on a rant about the dawdlers and blockers. I loved (and still do ) his solution: he had rigged a car horn up to a hefty 6 volt battery, and could carry the device like a large flashlight. His demonstration of the horn, which was incredibly loud, made everyone laugh, of course, but you could tell that everybody wanted one. These days, my fantasy involves the use of a small air horn. Haven't had the guts to actually do it, yet, but I'm gettin' mighty close!

I'd have more use for that big hammer he used to smash things. :eyebrows:


I happen to have an other handy tool for you Modwiz. Like it?


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/doubleaxe.jpg


All is well


Jorr 2.0

Looks perfect for settling some bank loans. Other people's will do. LOL

[WhiteFeather]

I agree, But what i do to the people around me at home and the work environment is simply planting seeds and inform about whats going on around us as such as chemtrails, 2012, DNA upgrades etc and they are interested in what i speak of. So at times it makes an interesting conversation. Just waking them up a little bit is all i can do.

PS I find alot of like minded people of ours in the organic health food store nearby. The makings of some real pure chat.

[Mike Gorman]

YES, i have ...now leave me alone willya?!!! ;)

Now that you mention it, me and the Mrs have had no inclination to see anyone for months..apart from when we have to
going to W.O.R.K eeech

[ceetee9]

Good topic. I think I’ve been feeling more ‘antisocial’ lately, but I think it stems more from the realization and frustration that I don’t know how to get most people—particularly loved ones—to even begin to take an interest in what’s really going on behind the scenes much less examine any of the evidence than it does with not wanting to socialize with people. In fact, my interest in Avalon has waned as well. Quite frankly, I’m getting tired of beating a dead horse.

I wish I could say I have the optimism that many here on Avalon have, but, in my experience, I hardly see the “battle” for awakening souls being started much less won. Yes, there are a few family and friends who are “waking up” and beginning to take an interest in things that every human being should take an interest in, but, by and large, I see far more people whose world revolves around their careers, sports teams, church groups, favorite TV shows or video games or gossip and social networks like Facebook. If I didn’t know better, I’d swear that several of the people I know have physically bonded with their cell phones. One wonders how they survived without them just a few years ago. I’m sure most Avalonians can relate.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see how far our society has sunk. We are constantly being barraged with frivolous and mindless drivel from all directions. We’re programmed and pacified by government, TV, radio, Internet, social networks, churches, schools, and advertisements; virtually everything with which we come in contact dumbs us down in one way or another. In the Dallas area, 90% of the bars are “sports bars.” I guess the restaurant and club owners are like the movie, TV show and music producers. No one has a creative thought of their own. They just clone some successful idea and hope for the same success as the originator of the idea.

Having said that, I have a question: Is there really any difference between the so called “awakened” and the “unawakened?” I mean, several here, including myself, have acknowledged that they find themselves being more ‘antisocial’ of late and that they just can’t be around those whose focus is on things we might consider inconsequential (in the grand scheme of things). So what makes us any different than those in, say, a church group who flock together (pun intended) because they find those people like-minded, interesting and more “in-tune” or “awake” than, let’s say, those crazy, self-anointed “awakened” Avalonians?

While we like to believe we are the “awake” and “aware” ones by virtue of our endless questioning and search for the truth, but what if all we’ve found is more lies and disinformation and we’ve been hoodwinked? Perhaps there are Avalonians who have personal (first-hand) knowledge of benevolent (helper) ETs or connections with high-ranking government insiders, etc., but I, for one, do not so all I have to go on is my discernment (however good or bad that is) and a plethora of often conflicting stories by however well meaning investigators and others.

Anyway, I guess my point in all of this is just that I can no longer worry about whether others seek and find the truth as I have all I can do to seek and find the truth for myself and my family. The old adage is true, “you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.” I sincerely hope we are on the right path and that, if so, others will follow in time to turn this planet into the paradise it could so easily be if we could just learn to care about one another and live and let live in peace and harmony.

[wynderer]

i'm kind of blown away by this thread -- i've been feeling the same way [s] -- i thought i was alone -- it seems to me that in my absence from Avalon, the forum is attracting many like-minded /same frequencies [?] souls

i pretty much left the net from October of last yr until i started posting here -- i thought i'd try to focus on real flesh-&-blood people -- but i just can't stand it anymore -- not just the denial , the will-ful ignorance -- i just can't get interested in someone's new car, or how their boyfriend cheated on them, etc, etc , when i feel the big Earth changes coming, & the NWO is still working hard

i've become extremely sensitive to other's thoughts & feelings, also -- the new energies coming in -- it seems to me that people are getting stranger & stranger as time goes on

[SKAWF]

i have been increasingly antisocial for over a decade now.
some things make me rage anyway, bullying, cruelty to animals etc
oh, and people who wont leave me alone.
(i must admit, that in particular relates to being in a heavy situation,
with a lot of people all in the same boat, but who feel that interfering with someone else, somehow makes their own situation less unbearable)

i always struggled to live the same life as everyone else.
its like i have a different operating system. i just dont relate at all to many people.
and it was always that i would humble myself, and accept that it was me who had things to learn.

then i had my own massive personal breakthrough (switching the lights back on)
i now find that i relate to people even less than i did before!,
so i opted for isolation. i can do more things free from the input of other people.
ive achieved quite a lot. on my own.

what i find is, that some people are instantly hostile to me. people i have never met, that i dont know, show me hostlity.
i can look after myself. damage them if necessary, so i dont worry about it,
i'm not intimidated by it.

what i think is, that i am connected to my own being, in a way that most people arent (well, people outside of places like this) and that when people try to relate to me, and find that they cant... they feel very self conscious and have to react
in a negative way, in order to restore their own sense of self, and of course,
i am in a minority, which only re enforces their position.
but you know how it is.... once you evolve a bit, you cant go back to the way things were.

so i live a life where i do my thing, and try to have as little contact with everyone else as possible. i heard it said, i think it was from delores cannon, that a separation is occuring. the life i live now is far more substantial than the one i used to live. i'm not struggling to follow someone elses path. i happy to cruise along my own, so i'm going to stick with it, no matter what happens.
no matter what is thrown at me.

a good friend of mine once said,
'you might think you have a lot of friends, but you dont. what you have is a lot of aqaintances. if you have more true friends than you have fingers on one hand you are very lucky indeed'

spot on.

i have all the time in the world for my true friends, but none at all for anyone who is on the old merry go round. i wont engage with them, because when i do i get angry.

and the other thing is, the 'low vs higher vibration'
its me that drops down when i get wound up or angry.
the other side dont care anyway, but i am aware of how anger compromises my own position.

i would add that i dont think i'm better than anyone else.
truthfully, my perception of myself, is just on the negative side of balanced.
but i keep on putting one foot in front of the other.
success may not be guaranteed, but progress is inevitable.

steve

[Black Panther]

as much as i sympathize with hermit mode (and in fact i've spent big blocks of time as a hermit myself), i have also realized that we came to this dance to get out on the floor and dance, and not hold back as wall flowers. Our reluctance can be rationalized in all sorts of ways, but life is always calling us to go beyond ourselves and jump in with both feet. Love wants us to love, because that's how it grows and spreads. By avoiding relationships, we're actually defeating the heart's deepest desire. Of course, every situation is different, and there are times when solitude is appropriate, but the opportunity presented by this life is a rare one, and that's especially true now. If people like us withdraw, what will remain to make the kind of difference we would like to see? Who are we serving by pulling away? On the other hand, by immersing ourselves in the stream and bustle of life every now and then, we will find that we are also served. That's what unity consciousness is all about, serving and being served. If it really is "all god", then what part of god is not worthy of being engaged? I suppose what i am getting at is, we need to question our reluctance too -- is the motive selfish and fear-based, for instance? It's important to look closely.

:yo:

i am a massage therapist and although i live as a hermit, my time with people is up close and personal, to say the least. Conversation is often very much a part of things. Between the way i look and the answers i give, people realize they have entered another dimension when they are alone in a room with me. Gotcha! Lol. I carefully monitor how they are doing with any topic and will often self censor based on my sense of where they are. It is all part of being a professional and healing facilitator for me to not make them uncomfortable in any way that will not assist them. Since some of my work is deep and really get "in there" i allow for conversation to do the same if it will "work".

I eat in a common dining hall with hundreds of people sometimes, but i sit alone most times. People know i am approachable and friendly if they need to speak with me. i just do not find speaking and eating go together. Especially since some like to speak about their problems during a meal. That is a no no for me. Eating is sacred time and crapping on it with crappy talk doesn't work for me.

with all of the above said; my work provides me with plenty of socializing so my hermit time is seriously never an issue i need to examine. I am usually over-related at the end of any day.

You do bring up good points, if they apply.

You don't touch Joey's food!

[normam2]

Good topic. I think I’ve been feeling more ‘antisocial’ lately, but I think it stems more from the realization and frustration that I don’t know how to get most people—particularly loved ones—to even begin to take an interest in what’s really going on behind the scenes much less examine any of the evidence than it does with not wanting to socialize with people. In fact, my interest in Avalon has waned as well. Quite frankly, I’m getting tired of beating a dead horse.

I wish I could say I have the optimism that many here on Avalon have, but, in my experience, I hardly see the “battle” for awakening souls being started much less won. Yes, there are a few family and friends who are “waking up” and beginning to take an interest in things that every human being should take an interest in, but, by and large, I see far more people whose world revolves around their careers, sports teams, church groups, favorite TV shows or video games or gossip and social networks like Facebook. If I didn’t know better, I’d swear that several of the people I know have physically bonded with their cell phones. One wonders how they survived without them just a few years ago. I’m sure most Avalonians can relate.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see how far our society has sunk. We are constantly being barraged with frivolous and mindless drivel from all directions. We’re programmed and pacified by government, TV, radio, Internet, social networks, churches, schools, and advertisements; virtually everything with which we come in contact dumbs us down in one way or another. In the Dallas area, 90% of the bars are “sports bars.” I guess the restaurant and club owners are like the movie, TV show and music producers. No one has a creative thought of their own. They just clone some successful idea and hope for the same success as the originator of the idea.

Having said that, I have a question: Is there really any difference between the so called “awakened” and the “unawakened?” I mean, several here, including myself, have acknowledged that they find themselves being more ‘antisocial’ of late and that they just can’t be around those whose focus is on things we might consider inconsequential (in the grand scheme of things). So what makes us any different than those in, say, a church group who flock together (pun intended) because they find those people like-minded, interesting and more “in-tune” or “awake” than, let’s say, those crazy, self-anointed “awakened” Avalonians?

While we like to believe we are the “awake” and “aware” ones by virtue of our endless questioning and search for the truth, but what if all we’ve found is more lies and disinformation and we’ve been hoodwinked? Perhaps there are Avalonians who have personal (first-hand) knowledge of benevolent (helper) ETs or connections with high-ranking government insiders, etc., but I, for one, do not so all I have to go on is my discernment (however good or bad that is) and a plethora of often conflicting stories by however well meaning investigators and others.

Anyway, I guess my point in all of this is just that I can no longer worry about whether others seek and find the truth as I have all I can do to seek and find the truth for myself and my family. The old adage is true, “you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.” I sincerely hope we are on the right path and that, if so, others will follow in time to turn this planet into the paradise it could so easily be if we could just learn to care about one another and live and let live in peace and harmony.

Yes i have also ran across that thought about trully being awaken? how by doing something like pointing the finger at those not awaken are we also pointing the finger at ourselves. That thought of course still unresolved thought haha. So i just thought to myself "" well this uneasiness from this particular thought is not doing me any good i analyzed it a little more and decided i didnt care or thought an answer should even exist. why bother with these kinds of thought when i can just detach myself from the emtions attach to the words that my mind uses to keep my attention on it rather that just to observe my mind go at it with my mind and I watch crossed armed at its sillyness.

haha i just noticed i answered this "weird" thought of yours with a "weird thought" of mine

[normam2]

"i would add that i dont think i'm better than anyone else.
truthfully, my perception of myself, is just on the negative side of balanced.
but i keep on putting one foot in front of the other.
success may not be guaranteed, but progress is inevitable."

That's what i tell myself every time i get out of bed.
Couldn't have put it in better words

[Alie]

Actually many of us with that "bent" are like artists. My thought is to use some of the time you spend with yourself to CREATE ... maybe for yourself, or as a legacy to your loved ones, and for some of us ... maybe for mankind.

How many artists have you read about or know of that really get into the social scene? No, they're listening to their muse, and creating their next piece.

[nearing]

Oh yes.

I have found that just as I am requiring more and more solitude, I have been flung out into the world at large even more. I think it's a test of sorts. I am not sure I will pass.

The strangest phenomenon is happening now that I am out there. I have to deal very closely with people (patients) in a one on one manner every day. When I look into these strangers eyes and they look back into mine, my eyes a;ways fill with tears. It also happens when I look at their children (patients often bring their kids with them). I am sure they can see it, I hope that it looks like I am having allergy symptoms, but it makes me really wonder what in the heck is going on.

My gut tells me that I just can't handle being superficial with ANYONE. And the world requires this of us. We are not supposed to really connect with the strangers that we deal with every day, we are supposed to do what we need to do and move on - quickly. This is especially true of my profession where we are allowed 30 minutes with every patient and that isn't even close to enough time to do the work let alone get to know them.

But my soul is pulling me in the opposite direction. I feel like I should not even engage another unless I am going to really connect with them. This causes me great pain every day - continuously.

I don't know how long I can tolerate it. I would much rather be by myself in my home and only interacting with others who 'get it' and are already aware and awake. This is very stressful.

[Black Panther]

Imo it isn't about being antisocial, more like anti-ego. So if people talk about
socializing it's more like ego's coming together most of the time and I can't stand
that anymore. The ego is more or less the same with different people. It's easy
to discover when people say something ego based or they say something they
really mean. Because a lot of people keep theirselves prisoned in the ego more
and more distance between me and others arises. That's why I love to be on
the internet / skyping with friends or reading a book about the same subjects
we discuss here. We live in a created fake world and so a lot of people
are living fake lives. Because a lot of people close to me can't understand me
anymore it's difficult to interact with them. Although I am eager to help
others and to explain what's really happening in the world it's very difficult
because a lot of people are totally trapped in the mind. So if they can't
understand me it's better to be quiet.

Thanks for starting this thread, normam2. I always like it when other people
are experiencing more or less the same. And as Fred says: a timely thread!



The strangest phenomenon is happening now that I am out there. I have to deal very closely with people (patients) in a one on one manner every day. When I look into these strangers eyes and they look back into mine, my eyes a;ways fill with tears. It also happens when I look at their children (patients often bring their kids with them). I am sure they can see it, I hope that it looks like I am having allergy symptoms, but it makes me really wonder what in the heck is going on.


I totally understand you. By looking people in the eyes, especially children,
there still can be a deeper contact. Than we don't need to talk.

[ginnyk]

Imo it isn't about being antisocial, more like anti-ego. So if people talk about
socializing it's more like ego's coming together most of the time and I can't stand
that anymore. The ego is more or less the same with different people. It's easy
to discover when people say something ego based or they say something they
really mean. Because a lot of people keep theirselves prisoned in the ego more
and more distance between me and others arises. That's why I love to be on
the internet / skyping with friends or reading a book about the same subjects
we discuss here. We live in a created fake world and so a lot of people
are living fake lives. Because a lot of people close to me can't understand me
anymore it's difficult to interact with them. Although I am eager to help
others and to explain what's really happening in the world it's very difficult
because a lot of people are totally trapped in the mind. So if they can't
understand me it's better to be quiet.

Thanks for starting this thread, normam2. I always like it when other people
are experiencing more or less the same. And as Fred says: a timely thread!



The strangest phenomenon is happening now that I am out there. I have to deal very closely with people (patients) in a one on one manner every day. When I look into these strangers eyes and they look back into mine, my eyes a;ways fill with tears. It also happens when I look at their children (patients often bring their kids with them). I am sure they can see it, I hope that it looks like I am having allergy symptoms, but it makes me really wonder what in the heck is going on.


I totally understand you. By looking people in the eyes, especially children,
there still can be a deeper contact. Than we don't need to talk.

Those last two lines are far too important to go unnoticed. IMHO, if there is love from the heart reflected in those eyes, there probably is no stronger form of healing. If we can remember to feel that Namaste kind of love for all those we judge as unawakened, we will be working on subtle levels to accomplish a lot more then we can imagine.

Gin

[wynderer]

Oh yes.

I have found that just as I am requiring more and more solitude, I have been flung out into the world at large even more. I think it's a test of sorts. I am not sure I will pass.

The strangest phenomenon is happening now that I am out there. I have to deal very closely with people (patients) in a one on one manner every day. When I look into these strangers eyes and they look back into mine, my eyes a;ways fill with tears. It also happens when I look at their children (patients often bring their kids with them). I am sure they can see it, I hope that it looks like I am having allergy symptoms, but it makes me really wonder what in the heck is going on.

My gut tells me that I just can't handle being superficial with ANYONE. And the world requires this of us. We are not supposed to really connect with the strangers that we deal with every day, we are supposed to do what we need to do and move on - quickly. This is especially true of my profession where we are allowed 30 minutes with every patient and that isn't even close to enough time to do the work let alone get to know them.

But my soul is pulling me in the opposite direction. I feel like I should not even engage another unless I am going to really connect with them. This causes me great pain every day - continuously.

I don't know how long I can tolerate it. I would much rather be by myself in my home and only interacting with others who 'get it' and are already aware and awake. This is very stressful.

i am sorry for how stressful this is for you

i also find myself tearing up & have to stop myself from crying when i'm out & about in the world -- it's when i see little children, or when i see one of those little acts of kindness from one person to another -- it really hurts my heart -- but for me, it's because i feel that all that is good about 3D Earth Humans-- the innocence of the little ones, the kindnesses, the joking around -- this is all about to disappear for good -- much of it will be [is being] manifested in the 5D Earth, but not exactly -- something will be lost -- & also sometimes i can see the futures of those around me -- i try really hard not to -- not many are going to make the Shift

[as always, this is just my p.o.v. -- i'm an abductee being messed w/ -- & maybe all my perceptions above are the result of mind manipulation -- the joys of being an abductee...]

[Wind]

As a child I was really quiet for years... I was just living in my own fantasy worlds. I really had no reason to speak. I speak when I actually have something to say. I've always been "antisocial" or shy, I just need my own space and time or else I start to feel ill both mentally and physically. The quietness and calmness of nature... That is where my heart rests. Animals are my companions, they are in the moment and they don't judge you or talk nonsense. Many people talk to me because they say I'm a good listener (which I guess is true), but most of the time I wouldn't want to hear their problems and yet I don't want to seem to be rude. Unfortunately that is the way it is often misinterpreted.

When I have that connection with that special someone I could talk for hours about spirituality, 2012 and stuff like that because that is why I'm here on planet Earth. It is funny that only through internet I have shared my deepest feelings with people that I really even don't know! I don't think it's sad, I think it's awesome!

I think I have some artist in me, I want to express myself in anyway other than through words!

[Black Panther]

As a child I was really quiet for years... I was just living in my own fantasy worlds. I really had no reason to speak. I speak when I actually have something to say. I've always been "antisocial" or shy, I just need my own space and time or else I start to feel ill both mentally and physically. The quietness and calmness of nature... That is where my heart rests. Animals are my companions, they are in the moment and they don't judge you or talk nonsense. Many people talk to me because they say I'm a good listener (which I guess is true), but most of the time I wouldn't want to hear their problems and yet I don't want to seem to be rude. Unfortunately that is the way it is often misinterpreted.

When I have that connection with that special someone I could talk for hours about spirituality, 2012 and stuff like that because that is why I'm here on planet Earth. It is funny that only through internet I have shared my deepest feelings with people that I really even don't know! I don't think it's sad, I think it's awesome!

I think I have some artist in me, I want to express myself in anyway other than through words!

That was a great post!

[we-R-one]

Hey just a thought StarSeed....have you ever wondered if you came from a place where you only telepathically communicated? That could be the reason for your quietness. I have often wondered that about myself as sometimes words are hard to come by. I have had several telepathic experiences in this lifetime and it always seems so easy for me. Like you, I have an affinity for animals and feel that I come from a place where I was one with all, especially nature and animals, so I can relate to your post.

[normam2]

Hey just a thought StarSeed....have you ever wondered if you came from a place where you only telepathically communicated? That could be the reason for your quietness. I have often wondered that about myself as sometimes words are hard to come by. I have had several telepathic experiences in this lifetime and it always seems so easy for me. Like you, I have an affinity for animals and feel that I come from a place where I was one with all, especially nature and animals, so I can relate to your post.

we-R-one, thank you for sharing this thought I have also wonder why I have a hard time expressing myself with words ( and I am fully bilingual in both english and spanish). Even when Im around people who are "loud" ( or I should say those who have the need to express every single emotion , thought , etc you name it) I cant help but wonder why they do that. I don't mean to judge I really truly wonder why they feel they need to express out everything in them when it can so easily be keep inside and cause as much joy /reward. Even trying to write out the previous thought is difficult for me and I often think to myself "why can i just sent the thought to another mind, it would be easier , faster and without error of interpretation". I hope I'm making sense.
Even when I'm taking notes about anything I find that I learn better when i draw arrows , pictures and lines ( the less words the better , I feel like too many letters are unnecessary and clutter my mind) I also guess thats why im so lazy about posting replies to threads here , because its just such a hassle to try to find the right words to express myself and yet again I find myself saying " WHY CAN I JUST SEND MY THOUGHT OUT????" hah.

[Wind]

That was a great post!

Thanks!


Hey just a thought StarSeed....have you ever wondered if you came from a place where you only telepathically communicated? That could be the reason for your quietness. I have often wondered that about myself as sometimes words are hard to come by. I have had several telepathic experiences in this lifetime and it always seems so easy for me. Like you, I have an affinity for animals and feel that I come from a place where I was one with all, especially nature and animals, so I can relate to your post.

Yes, I believe that I am a wanderer from the higher dimensions. Speaking isn't the (only) way for communication there, but telepathy is. It has taken me alot of time to realize who I really am and it was really confusing as a child when there was no one to tell you about these kind of things. I always have had that feeling of alienation and the way other people have treated me hasn't really helped.

[Rogerc]

Look guys not a lot has changed at all re personal interactions. In this life you can easily count real friends on the fingers of one hand. The rest are fellow travellers and acquaintances.
Life is an 'Ahoy there' experience - get used to it.
In the sixties and seventies which was supposedly the age of protest and enlightenment ,the most common question asked by young people was "Where can I get my jeans embroidered?"
That was in the middle of one of the most brutal and unjust wars of the millennia.
How many of you searching for your own salvation spare a thought for your fellows in Afghanistan - the pawns in another nefarious political agenda.
Is it not somewhat selfish to ponder over your spiritual enlightenment when your countrymen are living on the streets in poverty and your soldiers are being killed for an unjust cause?

[we-R-one]

How many of you searching for your own salvation spare a thought for you fellows in Afghanistan - the pawns in another nefarious political agenda.
Is it not somewhat selfish to ponder over your spiritual enlightenment when your countrymen are living on the streets in poverty and your soldiers are being killed for an unjust cause?

Spare a thought? Seriously? Forgive me for saying so, but I find your comments ridiculously inappropriate and obnoxious. I'm the founder of two major patriot groups in my state in which both the veterans and currently serving military personnel were recognized and thanked for their services. I assure you they were anything, but forgotten. For two years I tirelessly looked for solutions to help get this country out of this mess. I was paid nothing and rarely thanked if at all-the work was grueling, with no end in sight. You think I don't notice the stories of our young men and women getting their limbs blown off for nothing??!! It's beyond repulsive. What's even more maddening is when you try and talk to these parents whose sons & daughters are ready to pledge their lives to the supposed "cause", they have no f-ing clue as to what they're signing up for. They look at you with glazed eyes as if they didn't understand a word of your warning. I beg them to reconsider- because the reasons these young men and women are signing up might seem honorable in their minds, but what they fail to understand is that they're not be used for the same reasons in which they are enlisting. Oh, but they're being "used" all right. They're nothing but pawns, who are being played at the hands of an international banking cartel, not on behalf of the Republic.

And for anyone who wants to sign up for the military, I suggest you read the book The Shadows of Power by James Perloff. If the information in that book doesn't make you nauseated, than may God have mercy on your soul. It's unfathomable what's been done and continues to be done to our troops and veterans.

Now, on the flip side I will say this RogerC; none of us have control over another's karma. Those men and women willfully signed up to serve the beast. We all have chosen our karma at some point and have paid the price for our decisions in this lifetime and previous lifetimes. In a past incarnation, I spent half my life in prison because I was a threat to inherit the British throne. I paid for it with my life by being beheaded and I bear the scars in my neck from that injury to this day. So I think I've put my time in as far as pain and suffering goes; the point being, it will be no different for those who pay the price by the loss of their lives or personal comfort for serving their country. I ask for no pity as that was the path I chose to walk in that particular incarnation. In the same token these military personnel have chosen to walk this path by their own free will. Neither I, nor any of these other posters have control over their choices. To pity them is to say the lessons they chose to learn in this lifetime are not worthy. The game of duality is anything but pleasant; those who are enlightened, understand that it's a process that all souls must endure no matter what role is being played.

So no, I do not think it's selfish to "ponder over our spiritual enlightenment." And if that's what you think, than that would make about every thread on this forum obsolete in your world and I would have to ask you, why then are you even on this forum when the majority of the topics discussed are based on the experiences and the subject matter of enlightenment?

[Rogerc]

I feel your pain but unfortunately you are wrong about Vietnam.

There was no such thing as wilfull _ we were drafted. We had no choice.

We did not sign up to the beast.

Another judgement made without knowledge - shame on you.

Must have been before your time.

However in a 'democratic' system all of our rights were taken away.

Your 'wilflullly' is a bull**** statement

You in your statements are 'willfully' disregarding your 50'000 American sons good and true who paid the ultimate sacrifice whilst you sat back and made puerile judgements and gave advice which came from nowhere.



As for your past lives - I don't really give a damn. Are you looking for pity or wanting glory for what you supposedly did?

What you need is the other half of your pathetic life in custody.



I am a Vietnam vet and don't you dare vilify us in your judgements - that is both obnoxious and cowardly.







Spare a thought? Seriously? Forgive me for saying so, but I find your comments ridiculously inappropriate and obnoxious. I'm the founder of two major patriot groups in my state in which both the veterans and currently serving military personnel were recognized and thanked for their services. I assure you they were anything, but forgotten. For two years I tirelessly looked for solutions to help get this country out of this mess. I was paid nothing and rarely thanked if at all-the work was grueling, with no end in sight. You think I don't notice the stories of our young men and women getting their limbs blown off for nothing??!! It's beyond repulsive. What's even more maddening is when you try and talk to these parents whose sons & daughters are ready to pledge their lives to the supposed "cause", they have no f-ing clue as to what they're signing up for. They look at you with glazed eyes as if they didn't understand a word of your warning. I beg them to reconsider- because the reasons these young men and women are signing up might seem honorable in their minds, but what they fail to understand is that they're not be used for the same reasons in which they are enlisting. Oh, but they're being "used" all right. They're nothing but pawns, who are being played at the hands of an international banking cartel, not on behalf of the Republic.

And for anyone who wants to sign up for the military, I suggest you read the book The Shadows of Power by James Perloff. If the information in that book doesn't make you nauseated, than may God have mercy on your soul. It's unfathomable what's been done and continues to be done to our troops and veterans.

Now, on the flip side I will say this RogerC; none of us have control over another's karma. Those men and women willfully signed up to serve the beast. We all have chosen our karma at some point and have paid the price for our decisions in this lifetime and previous lifetimes. ...

[we-R-one]

I feel your pain but unfortunately you are wrong about Vietnam.

There was no such thing as wilfull _ we were drafted. We had no choice.

We did not sign up to the beast.

Another judgement made without knowledge - shame on you.

Must have been before your time.

However in a 'democratic' system all of our rights were taken away.

Your 'wilflullly' is a bull**** statement

You in your statements are 'willfully' disregarding your 50'000 American sons good and true who paid the ultimate sacrifice whilst you sat back and made puerile judgements and gave advice which came from nowhere.



As for your past lives - I don't really give a damn. Are you looking for pity or wanting glory for what you supposedly did?

What you need is the other half of your pathetic life in custody.



I am a Vietnam vet and don't you dare vilify us in your judgements - that is both obnoxious and cowardly.



Roger C, I stand behind what I've said. You are still operating under 3rd dimensional thinking. I am not, so my viewpoint will be entirely different. In higher dimensional understanding you "willfully" make contracts to play specific roles before coming down to Earth, so yes, in my viewpoint you and others did make a choice to have that experience you just don't remember. Your remarks are very telling to me where you're at in your soul evolution, and it says to me you are still of the 3rd dimensional mindset. This is not a judgment, it just is what it is.

And what purpose would it serve to have the "other half of my pathetic life in custody" as you so eloquently stated? Because why???? Because I don't think like you? Another ridiculous and uncalled for remark IMO. Your comments are extremely unfair and unjust to myself and the other posters. And by the way, your reference was to Afghanistan, which is mainly what I was responding to, not the Vietnam war.

What you haven't come to realize, is that this is a game being played down here. You are consciousness, you are not your body, your job or your experiences, which means, none of this is really who you are. That is why you reincarnate. You play the game of duality and learn the lessons that need to be learned. I can't help if you do not have that understanding as of yet, but that is the truth as I know it based on my own personal experiences.

[Black Panther]

Roger C, I stand behind what I've said. You are still operating under 3rd dimensional thinking. I am not, so my viewpoint will be entirely different. In higher dimensional understanding you "willfully" make contracts to play specific roles before coming down to Earth, so yes, in my viewpoint you and others did make a choice to have that experience you just don't remember. Your remarks are very telling to me where you're at in your soul evolution, and it says to me you are still of the 3rd dimensional mindset. This is not a judgment, it just is what it is.

And what purpose would it serve to have the "other half of my pathetic life in custody" as you so eloquently stated? Because why???? Because I don't think like you? Another ridiculous and uncalled for remark IMO. Your comments are extremely unfair and unjust to myself and the other posters. And by the way, your reference was to Afghanistan, which is mainly what I was responding to, not the Vietnam war.

What you haven't come to realize, is that this is a game being played down here. You are consciousness, you are not your body, your job or your experiences, which means, none of this is really who you are. That is why you reincarnate. You play the game of duality and learn the lessons that need to be learned. I can't help if you do not have that understanding as of yet, but that is the truth as I know it based on my own personal experiences.

I'm not choosing sides and I'm not saying the issues you
guys are talking about aren't important, but it's a great
thread so please:

:focus:

[Rogerc]

"we-R-one"

I would have thought that such a spiritually evolved being as yourself could have been more specific about which war you were referring to.
As for your personal experience, it is exactly that.
I also question why at your stage of evolution why you have chosen to be reincarnated once more.
It must be so difficult to put up with lesser souls who look at you with 'glazed eyes'
I gather from your tone that you perceive yourself as a second coming.
You show little compassion but a driving view to put your 'personal' agenda across.
All I get from your thoughts is a somewhat egotistical and holier than thou sui generis


Back to your 5th dimension please

[we-R-one]

"we-R-one"

I would have thought that such a spiritually evolved being as yourself could have been more specific about which war you were referring to.
As for your personal experience, it is exactly that.
I also question why at your stage of evolution why you have chosen to be reincarnated once more.
It must be so difficult to put up with lesser souls who look at you with 'glazed eyes'
I gather from your tone that you perceive yourself as a second coming.
You show little compassion but a driving view to put your 'personal' agenda across.
All I get from your thoughts is a somewhat egotistical and holier than thou sui generis


Back to your 5th dimension please

The topic was Afghanistan, that is what you initially referred to in your post. You chose to bring Vietnam into the picture not me. I assumed you were intelligent so there was no need for me to make the reference as I was responding to your comments.

Don't worry Black Panther, I'm going to tie this into the original topic of this thread.....

The "glazed eye" remark I made is based on the frustration I feel for those who do not want to wake up regardless of how much truth is in front of them. The irritation is based on compassion because I know that I cannot wake up as many as I would like, but alas I do understand that soul evolution is a process and not everyone is going to be at the same level and therefore some will never awaken as they are not ready to take the next step. This is probably the most difficult for me because of the compassion I feel and as I want to reach these souls with the message, in order to help pull them out of duality. That is the only agenda I have, that is my role as a Star Seed to help humanity through the ascension process. I do not feel or think I am better than anyone else so you misinterpret what I am attempting to convey. You are putting a tone in my post that does not exist. As you explore further into what I'm saying and your evolution begins to accelerate, you will find that we are the same person of Source All That Is, otherwise known as God, which means, I am you and you are me as we-R-one. The science behind Sourcefield is where you can find this information and make the discovery for yourself as I have.

Am I the second coming? My answer shouldn't surprise you and it's a resounding yes! 3rd dimensional thinking harbors playing the vicitm and waiting for the messiah to come and save you. 5th dimensional thinking is when you come to the realization that you save yourself. You are the creator of your own reality, which in turn makes you a messiah. It's not about being better than anyone else. Like you, I incarnate so that I can learn lessons which is why I'm here. Additionally my role in this lifetime is that of a Star Seed and I have incarnated during this time period to help people in the ascension process. We are lightworkers and this is what we do. Through my awakening period I have begun to remember who I am, so that is why I say what I say.

Your signature states: "the more I learn, the less I know"

Well I would say what I'm explaining to you falls under this sentence nicely. The phrase also beautifully states what many of us are discovering. I originally responded to the topic of this post because what I'm trying to articulate to you now, is why people are posting in this thread about feeling anti-social. When you begin to pull out of the 3rd dimensional matrix, which is part of the ascension process, a common occurence that one feels is to withdraw from society. Which is why my signature states

"......where being the BLACK SHEEP isn't the exception, it's the rule!

You are witnessing people changing from 3rd dimensional thinking to 5th dimensional thinking, making one the black sheep of the bunch, because the majority of the population has not caught up yet to those of us who have evolved quicker. This is probably why you're not embracing what I'm saying and the very reason why I'm posting in this thread; it has nothing to do with not having compassion for our military personnel. Your response to me is the very reason why many of us become anti-social as currently our thought processes are the minority and when we voice what we know and feel, the backlash we receive makes many of us become more anti-social. What even makes things more challenging is most will not believe what we say, because they are waiting for a Messiah to drop down and tell them what to do. Additionally one will have a difficult time believing what I'm saying until they have their own experience which validates the very truth I am attempting to share. If one is of a self-help nature(meaning they want to save themselves) and they take the time to look at the science behind what I am saying, they will find what I say to be true.

This is the path I took to get to this viewpoint and ya, at times knowing what I know, makes me want to be antisocial. Witnessing young men and women enlisting into a military that we no longer have control over makes me sick to my stomach. And when I wave my hands back and forth with the Paul Revere message that no one seems to want to listen to, the thanks I get for warning those to reconsider is ridicule and sarcasm. If I didn't possess any compassion I would not subject myself to this type of abuse. It is because of love and compassion that I do what I do, and the very reason why I am here. So this messiah is gladly going to keep on treking down the yellow brick road. I would love for you and others to join me because the faster we can all get out of 3D, and remember who we are, the faster we can start living in peace and freedom outside of the the iron gates of duality.

[ThePythonicCow]

I'm not choosing sides and I'm not saying the issues you
guys are talking about aren't important, but it's a great
thread so please:

:focus:
If you find the energetic discussion between we-R-one and Rogerc continues to distract, let me know and perhaps I can move that discussion off to a separate thread.

[onawah]

Well, I've been feeling so unsocial (I won't say antisocial) that I could barely bring myself to post on this thread, but when I saw StarSeed's post, which could so easily have been written by me because it fits to a "t" except for the last part, since I am in fact an artist, I thought I might as well take advantage of this easy way to contribute just briefly here.
I've hardly been reading or posting on PA at all lately because of this unsocial feeling, but I did post something on the channeled info subforum which gave me a bit of insight as to why I might be feeling this way.
For any of you who might be interested in another perspective on what may be causing this this apparently pervasive feeling, it's at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44295-Beacons-of-Light-from-Steve-Rother-and-the-Group


As a child I was really quiet for years... I was just living in my own fantasy worlds. I really had no reason to speak. I speak when I actually have something to say. I've always been "antisocial" or shy, I just need my own space and time or else I start to feel ill both mentally and physically. The quietness and calmness of nature... That is where my heart rests. Animals are my companions, they are in the moment and they don't judge you or talk nonsense. Many people talk to me because they say I'm a good listener (which I guess is true), but most of the time I wouldn't want to hear their problems and yet I don't want to seem to be rude. Unfortunately that is the way it is often misinterpreted.

When I have that connection with that special someone I could talk for hours about spirituality, 2012 and stuff like that because that is why I'm here on planet Earth. It is funny that only through internet I have shared my deepest feelings with people that I really even don't know! I don't think it's sad, I think it's awesome!

I think I have some artist in me, I want to express myself in anyway other than through words!

[9eagle9]

I have the anti social but its not really anti social which is more of a petulant sort of condition of withdrawal meant to accomplish something. Either to get attention, isolate others, or punish.

Is there a word for this new brand of anti-socialism that is not with intent to harm or self gratification.

Maybe anti-culture. American mainstream culture is so empty and vapid. I envy other cultures that don't seem so self absorbed but maybe that's my perception and they are self absorbed in other ways. Or some other unbearable imposition like fearful, you don't know till you live some where. Wales seems like a nice place to live or rural Ireland. Maybe its just as bad there, who knows, or perhaps just as bad in a different way.

Find it hard to flirt? Seems insincere . Easy to flirt with people who aren't going to get their ego stroked.

Transcending into new a new social structure where we are not co dependent but interdependent. I like you but i don't need you. I enjoy you but I need you to entertain me. I can be there for you because you haven't sucked me dry in other areas.

People percieve me as aloof.

Percieved as playing hard to get maybe.

It does tend to make others want to be around you more because everyone wants what they can't have. That works in reverse too. I never think people are playing hard to get; I just think they don't want anything to do with me and I'm okay with that because I'm not a people pleaser. I don't need the popularity contest.

I think I'm quite dull actually (read, horses, ride,research, write, garden...how exciting) and am often surprised when someone latches on to me or wants my attention.

And some do that in a interdependent way and some do it in a needy way . Needy people gravitate to those who they sense will be unavailable to them. Not unavailable just not willing to be their babysitter.

Authenticity is perceived as rudeness. "oh my gawd, you didn't automatically nod your head and agree with me! How RUDE!"

If I'm not interested I stay on the fringe, if someone tries to drag me in I take control. Either way no one is happy....lol. The new age babblers are always trying to convert me with love, and invite me into their circle. Really? You really want that. I'll be running the joint and you'll let me, and be resentful of it the entire time. Bad idea.

I've wondered if I were depressive or something but I'm not either. Balanced, neither euphoric or depressed.

I like people who can make me laugh and there's not a whole lot that can. They think they are being funny but I just find them stupid...lol.

I can manage people if we have a shared interest and the focus is on that but other things....ack ..ugh.

I can't stand plans really. Invited somewhere I think its a big imposition. If something gravitates naturally from the spur of the moment I may be more in the spirit of things.

I can't stand the thought of being married again or co-habitating. If I were to be married again it would have to separate domiciles....lol. I'm sure I'm not joy to live with but I think the wife chasers aren't looking at others as real people but a crutch. Can't be crutch this way I know that much.

People who need constant attention or validation EXHAUST me.

[Rogerc]

Thanks paul I'll discontinue




I'm not choosing sides and I'm not saying the issues you
guys are talking about aren't important, but it's a great
thread so please:

:focus:
If you find the energetic discussion between we-R-one and Rogerc continues to distract, let me know and perhaps I can move that discussion off to a separate thread.

[niki]

Even though I'm still quite new to this mind-boggling amazing forum (I am from Indonesia btw),
I can say that I'm quite surprised that I feel I can relate to a lot of what all of you here said! ...and here I've always thought before that I'm alone in all of this!
For this, I truly thank you all for making me feeling 'less alone' now :)

Also, you might want to look up to some of these interesting terms:
- HSP (Highly Sensitive People)
- INFP = one of the Personality Type of the Myers Briggs (MBTI) test, this test is currently even quite popular, even in the education and professional job interviews!

These terms might perhaps have much more correlations and even adding more explanations to all you've said in this thread.
Look 'em up.

[9eagle9]

My father served in the tail end of WWII he was 15 when he entered the conflict, getting his mother to doctor his birth certificate. He also served in Korea. He didn't talk about his experiences much besides dragging home malaria, and local cultural anecdotes, but when I was a toddler (late sixties, Vietnam era)he wrote a very critical statement about a certain sort of vet. He didn't reveal it to me until I was older.

It was essentially the difference between vets who served in a war, and those who joined up to live in Hawaii for four years or 8 or whatever and then returned home wanting to be acknowledge for their 'service'.

He was quite contemptous of that, and regarded service people like that as posers. I thought about it over the years and found that there wasn't a whole lot to be disagreed with. People want to be honored for something that amounts to what really?

He had noticed those vets who had seen war together tended to truly advocate the disenfranchised vets of the US, the ones the government ignores and those who were Hawaii vets as he called them tended not to concern themselves much with the plight of those service men who had served in battle and were essentially forgotten about and dishonored after they returned home.

he was member of the VFW so would often amuse himself with servicemen who boasted about being stationed in Florida. The Disney World Theatre.




I feel your pain but unfortunately you are wrong about Vietnam.

There was no such thing as wilfull _ we were drafted. We had no choice.

We did not sign up to the beast.

Another judgement made without knowledge - shame on you.

Must have been before your time.

However in a 'democratic' system all of our rights were taken away.

Your 'wilflullly' is a bull**** statement

You in your statements are 'willfully' disregarding your 50'000 American sons good and true who paid the ultimate sacrifice whilst you sat back and made puerile judgements and gave advice which came from nowhere.



As for your past lives - I don't really give a damn. Are you looking for pity or wanting glory for what you supposedly did?

What you need is the other half of your pathetic life in custody.



I am a Vietnam vet and don't you dare vilify us in your judgements - that is both obnoxious and cowardly.







Spare a thought? Seriously? Forgive me for saying so, but I find your comments ridiculously inappropriate and obnoxious. I'm the founder of two major patriot groups in my state in which both the veterans and currently serving military personnel were recognized and thanked for their services. I assure you they were anything, but forgotten. For two years I tirelessly looked for solutions to help get this country out of this mess. I was paid nothing and rarely thanked if at all-the work was grueling, with no end in sight. You think I don't notice the stories of our young men and women getting their limbs blown off for nothing??!! It's beyond repulsive. What's even more maddening is when you try and talk to these parents whose sons & daughters are ready to pledge their lives to the supposed "cause", they have no f-ing clue as to what they're signing up for. They look at you with glazed eyes as if they didn't understand a word of your warning. I beg them to reconsider- because the reasons these young men and women are signing up might seem honorable in their minds, but what they fail to understand is that they're not be used for the same reasons in which they are enlisting. Oh, but they're being "used" all right. They're nothing but pawns, who are being played at the hands of an international banking cartel, not on behalf of the Republic.

And for anyone who wants to sign up for the military, I suggest you read the book The Shadows of Power by James Perloff. If the information in that book doesn't make you nauseated, than may God have mercy on your soul. It's unfathomable what's been done and continues to be done to our troops and veterans.

Now, on the flip side I will say this RogerC; none of us have control over another's karma. Those men and women willfully signed up to serve the beast. We all have chosen our karma at some point and have paid the price for our decisions in this lifetime and previous lifetimes. ...

[normam2]

Even though I'm still quite new to this mind-boggling amazing forum (I am from Indonesia btw),
I can say that I'm quite surprised that I feel I can relate to a lot of what all of you here said! ...and here I've always thought before that I'm alone in all of this!
For this, I truly thank you all for making me feeling 'less alone' now :)

Also, you might want to look up to some of these interesting terms:
- HSP (Highly Sensitive People)
- INFP = one of the Personality Type of the Myers Briggs (MBTI) test, this test is currently even quite popular, even in the education and professional job interviews!

These terms might perhaps have much more correlations and even adding more explanations to all you've said in this thread.
Look 'em up.



Portrait of an INFP - Introverted iNtuitive Feeling Perceiving
(Introverted Feeling with Extraverted Intuition)
The Idealist

As an INFP, your primary mode of living is focused internally, where you deal with things according to how you feel about them, or how they fit into your personal value system. Your secondary mode is external, where you take things in primarily via your intuition.

INFPs, more than other iNtuitive Feeling types, are focused on making the world a better place for people. Their primary goal is to find out their meaning in life. What is their purpose? How can they best serve humanity in their lives? They are idealists and perfectionists, who drive themselves hard in their quest for achieving the goals they have identified for themselves

INFPs are highly intuitive about people. They rely heavily on their intuitions to guide them, and use their discoveries to constantly search for value in life. They are on a continuous mission to find the truth and meaning underlying things. Every encounter and every piece of knowledge gained gets sifted through the INFP's value system, and is evaluated to see if it has any potential to help the INFP define or refine their own path in life. The goal at the end of the path is always the same - the INFP is driven to help people and make the world a better place.

Generally thoughtful and considerate, INFPs are good listeners and put people at ease. Although they may be reserved in expressing emotion, they have a very deep well of caring and are genuinely interested in understanding people. This sincerity is sensed by others, making the INFP a valued friend and confidante. An INFP can be quite warm with people he or she knows well.

INFPs do not like conflict, and go to great lengths to avoid it. If they must face it, they will always approach it from the perspective of their feelings. In conflict situations, INFPs place little importance on who is right and who is wrong. They focus on the way that the conflict makes them feel, and indeed don't really care whether or not they're right. They don't want to feel badly. This trait sometimes makes them appear irrational and illogical in conflict situations. On the other hand, INFPs make very good mediators, and are typically good at solving other people's conflicts, because they intuitively understand people's perspectives and feelings, and genuinely want to help them.

INFPs are flexible and laid-back, until one of their values is violated. In the face of their value system being threatened, INFPs can become aggressive defenders, fighting passionately for their cause. When an INFP has adopted a project or job which they're interested in, it usually becomes a "cause" for them. Although they are not detail-oriented individuals, they will cover every possible detail with determination and vigor when working for their "cause".

When it comes to the mundane details of life maintenance, INFPs are typically completely unaware of such things. They might go for long periods without noticing a stain on the carpet, but carefully and meticulously brush a speck of dust off of their project booklet.

INFPs do not like to deal with hard facts and logic. Their focus on their feelings and the Human Condition makes it difficult for them to deal with impersonal judgment. They don't understand or believe in the validity of impersonal judgment, which makes them naturally rather ineffective at using it. Most INFPs will avoid impersonal analysis, although some have developed this ability and are able to be quite logical. Under stress, it's not uncommon for INFPs to mis-use hard logic in the heat of anger, throwing out fact after (often inaccurate) fact in an emotional outburst.

INFPs have very high standards and are perfectionists. Consequently, they are usually hard on themselves, and don't give themselves enough credit. INFPs may have problems working on a project in a group, because their standards are likely to be higher than other members' of the group. In group situations, they may have a "control" problem. The INFP needs to work on balancing their high ideals with the requirements of every day living. Without resolving this conflict, they will never be happy with themselves, and they may become confused and paralyzed about what to do with their lives.

INFPs are usually talented writers. They may be awkard and uncomfortable with expressing themselves verbally, but have a wonderful ability to define and express what they're feeling on paper. INFPs also appear frequently in social service professions, such as counselling or teaching. They are at their best in situations where they're working towards the public good, and in which they don't need to use hard logic.

INFPs who function in their well-developed sides can accomplish great and wonderful things, which they will rarely give themselves credit for. Some of the great, humanistic catalysts in the world have been INFPs.


I felt like i was reading myself on paper there far a while.

Thank you NIKI, I got a lot of chuckles out of it.

[Rogerc]

[QUOTE=9eagle9;476059]My father served in the tail end of WWII he was 15 when he entered the conflict, getting his mother to doctor his birth certificate. He also served in Korea. He didn't talk about his experiences much besides dragging home malaria, and local cultural anecdotes, but when I was a toddler (late sixties, Vietnam era)he wrote a very critical statement about a certain sort of vet. He didn't reveal it to me until I was older.

It was essentially the difference between vets who served in a war, and those who joined up to live in Hawaii for four years or 8 or whatever and then returned home wanting to be acknowledge for their 'service'.

He was quite contemptous of that, and regarded service people like that as posers. I thought about it over the years and found that there wasn't a whole lot to be disagreed with. People want to be honored for something that amounts to what really?

He had noticed those vets who had seen war together tended to truly advocate the disenfranchised vets of the US, the ones the government ignores and those who were Hawaii vets as he called them tended not to concern themselves much with the plight of those service men who had served in battle and were essentially forgotten about and dishonored after they returned home.

he was member of the VFW so would often amuse himself with servicemen who boasted about being stationed in Florida. The Disney World Theatre.



[QUOTE=Rogerc;475484]I feel your pain but unfortunately you are wrong about Vietnam.

There was no such thing as wilfull _ we were drafted. We had no choice.

We did not sign up to the beast.

Another judgement made without knowledge - shame on you.

Must have been before your time.

However in a 'democratic' system all of our rights were taken away.

Your 'wilflullly' is a bull**** statement

You in your statements are 'willfully' disregarding your 50'000 American sons good and true who paid the ultimate sacrifice whilst you sat back and made puerile judgements and gave advice which came from nowhere.



As for your past lives - I don't really give a damn. Are you looking for pity or wanting glory for what you supposedly did?

What you need is the other half of your pathetic life in custody.



I am a Vietnam vet and don't you dare vilify us in your judgements - that is both obnoxious and cowardly.






An interesting point re your father - it is worthwhile noting that in Vietnam the ratio of combat soldiers to those in a support role was 1:9.
We needed that support without which we could not have operated in the field.

[9eagle9]

Nah, I doubt he was expressing irony towards support servicemen, he was expressing his disgust towards those who enter the military to be educated in exotic places, and then upon a discharge expected to be treated with the same regard as those who had actually seen battle. It used to mean a veteran of war, not merely enlisting and serving.

A trend that he began noticing in Vietnam when the 'senator's' sons would be publicly be paraded out as entering the service to prove there was no class distinction and then serve their entire enlistment safely away from conflict unlike the non-privileged.. He referred to these enlistments as setting a honorable backstory for a future political career. This later made itself evidential in folks like George Bush. Who was venerated for flying a military jet around the Southern United states and then John Kerry was vilified in the press for his actual service in the country of Vietnam. If my father had lived to see that he would felt entirely justified in what he put into words.

A sort of serving your self rather than serving your country sort of paradigm. Neither could he understand the attitudes of major political figures who had actually seen battle, and how they could return, ascend into positions of political influence and STILL advocate war. Did they learn nothing of their time spent in war?

During the 80's he seen a prevalence of young men returning from service at age 25 with the same sort of attitude. Honor me for what I think I'm doing instead of what I actually did.

[Rogerc]

That MBTI is scary - INFP fits me like a GLOVE

[seigiarchon]

I live in a difficult part of the world where you need to be very cautious of who you let in your life, so I have to keep many people a little at bay right now at least. I believe that many of us can raise the vibrations of the earth without being social, some of us are here to contribute in that manner, to raise the vibrations of the planet, and not necessary in an super social manner, some of us. I guarantee if most of us met with any of us, we would not consider any of us anti-social, due to our mutual amazing interests, we could ponder and discuss almost endlessly, I think if you just meet everyone with love, treat them as best you can, that is more important than being "social"..

I understand you very very well.

I think that it is time for people like you and me to leave for good.

:wizard:

[SkepticSoul]

Ever woundered that you might not be the anti-social one, rather those that are thinking materialistic instead of love/care/compassion/etc. are the anti-social ones.
Me personally do not have many contact with my fellow humans but enough to be 'considered social enough' xP
Anyways when i talk to 'materialistic thinking' people i just listen to them, without saying any word but maybe confirming with a sound that i'm listening.
And 9 out of 10 people will just tell their story or problem or whatever they have on their mind, even when it takes 10 mins to listen to someone babbling on and on about something insignificant i just stay centered and listen calmly...
When the person is done talking i say, ok nice talking to you ^^ have a nice day.. and that's that.
After a while there's not many people u will encounter that babble on and on but instead get surprised by meeting someone that does have something significant to say. Because, when u ignore most of the time u will miss that which u shoulda/coulda heard or u might of missed a good conversation where u could have a sudden realization of something.
My point is, don't think you are anti-social, think the opposite but keep focus away from 'babbling peoples' and just listen

[infinitexlight]

I'm only new to the Avalon forum - but I can't tell you how amazed I am that so many of you also feel this way lol. I too feel "anti-social" it you want to label it that. But I think we have all come to the conclusion of why we have seperated ourselves from other people - or social situations. I feel like if former "friends" knew where I was at or in a more basic concept if they knew how I thought and felt it wouldn't make the situation any better. The fact that the in the world of the Sleepers (those who have not yet begun to awaken) the sad truth is that they are all controlled by the world that they have been conditioned to be a part of. We've managed to Wake up, and to get rid of those ties - I guess in some respects, its both sad - that they havent been able to, and yet at the same time its liberating. Reading your posts has made me smile - because I know I'm not alone in how I feel.

I think removing yourself from the material - and embracing the truth - turning off your blinders, refusing to be a Sleeper, means that we will see the world and people more and more. Don't despair because youre removing yourself - and dont feel as though you have to justify your actions to anyone either. This is about you being Healed, and Awake. There is nothing wrong with it - I completely agree with everything you've all said. Rejoice in the fact that you're no longer a prisoner in the material world. And know that you are far richer than we even can imagine at this point. I'm so glad I found this Forum - that it was started and that so many of us are all in the same boat - on the journey to Freedom.

Love and Light
Liana

[Black Panther]

I'm only new to the Avalon forum - but I can't tell you how amazed I am that so many of you also feel this way lol. I too feel "anti-social" it you want to label it that. But I think we have all come to the conclusion of why we have seperated ourselves from other people - or social situations. I feel like if former "friends" knew where I was at or in a more basic concept if they knew how I thought and felt it wouldn't make the situation any better. The fact that the in the world of the Sleepers (those who have not yet begun to awaken) the sad truth is that they are all controlled by the world that they have been conditioned to be a part of. We've managed to Wake up, and to get rid of those ties - I guess in some respects, its both sad - that they havent been able to, and yet at the same time its liberating. Reading your posts has made me smile - because I know I'm not alone in how I feel.

I think removing yourself from the material - and embracing the truth - turning off your blinders, refusing to be a Sleeper, means that we will see the world and people more and more. Don't despair because youre removing yourself - and dont feel as though you have to justify your actions to anyone either. This is about you being Healed, and Awake. There is nothing wrong with it - I completely agree with everything you've all said. Rejoice in the fact that you're no longer a prisoner in the material world. And know that you are far richer than we even can imagine at this point. I'm so glad I found this Forum - that it was started and that so many of us are all in the same boat - on the journey to Freedom.

Love and Light
Liana

:welcome: Liana.

Great you joined Avalon! A very well written post.
Totally agree with you.

Imo the gap between us and sleepy ones is getting bigger, because
the illusion stays more or less the same. And in 'our' world there are
a lot of big changes going on and I think we are more susceptible for
the incoming energies somehow.

[infinitexlight]

Great you joined Avalon! A very well written post.
Totally agree with you.

Imo the gap between us and sleepy ones is getting bigger, because
the illusion stays more or less the same. And in 'our' world there are
a lot of big changes going on and I think we are more susceptible for
the incoming energies somehow.

Thank you for the welcome (= and I completely agree with you. But change is a good thing - as is growth of knowledge and our understanding of where we fit in the scheme of things.