Two Suns in 2012

[Mandala]

I know some people may look at this as fear porn, but I look at it as another bit of information and point of view. I believe a few will fine it interesting.

2012 researcher and author Marshall Masters, offers an in-depth look at the predictions made in a crop circled formation he calls the "2012 Star Map of Doom."

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[DreamsInDigital]

We certainly are a binary system, used to be a trinary system. But, personally. I'm not buying his predictions either.

[Wind]

The Sun will change and so will Earth too and that's for sure.

[Mozart]

We certainly are a binary system, used to be a trinary system. But, personally. I'm not buying his predictions either.


Can somebody kindly give a synopsis of his predictions?


~Mozart

[ThePythonicCow]

Can somebody kindly give a synopsis of his predictions?
A second major "sun" will suddenly become visible in the sky on December 21, 2012. It will look like a moderately smaller, dimmer sun. As it travels through the "kill zone" over the next ?months?, it will excite the sun, causing massive energy ejections, wrecking havoc on planet earth. If we humans unite in our intention, we can change this outcome, to something less dire for human civilization.

(In case anyone out there cannot read my mind ... I don't believe him.)

[seigiarchon]

So Nibiru isn't a planet but a sun?

[greybeard]

Can somebody kindly give a synopsis of his predictions?
A second major "sun" will suddenly become visible in the sky on December 21, 2012. It will look like a moderately smaller, dimmer sun. As it travels through the "kill zone" over the next ?months?, it will excite the sun, causing massive energy ejections, wrecking havoc on planet earth. If we humans unite in our intention, we can change this outcome, to something less dire for human civilization.

(In case anyone out there cannot read my mind ... I don't believe him.)

I neither believe nor disbelieve anything but Im sure the human race will be just fine.
Who knows we may get a gloden age seems there is evidence that it comes around in cycles.
While I know nothing about the Cosmoos I would think that if tis is a binary system the chances of two suns occupying the same part of space at the same time would be very remote and i it does happen then it must have happened repeatedly being cyclic and earth is still her and obviously the sun is still here.
A short peiod of darkness is more possible, which would be down to magnetic pole reversal and there is a lot of evidence of that being cyclic too.
Well we dont have long to wait--- this year is flying by.
Chris

[Alie]

I know some people may look at this as fear porn, but I look at it as another bit of information and point of view. I believe a few will fine it interesting.



Thank you Mandala for bringing it to our attention, as you wanted to discover what other's think about the information. Whether we agree or not, it's important for you (and all of us) to discuss what we have on our mind.

[OnyxKnight]

This is what you get for not paying attention to your astronomy class in primary.


Or not having it at all, and not bothering to check some basic facts.

[DreamsInDigital]

So Nibiru isn't a planet but a sun?
Nibiru was a planet sized mother ship, it was destroyed/blown up in 2003, IT no longer exist. It is now in pieces in the Kuplar belt.

[truthseekerdan]

Our Sun has a twin, another star, which is called as the Second Sun. This is also referred to many as Nibiru and Planet X. This star exists at a subtle level and although it usually isn’t visible to the naked eye, it sometimes becomes visible to those who are spiritually evolved and has been photographed.

Since the Second Sun exists at a higher vibration level, it supports life of a higher order, that is, the life in the New Age (Earth). As we go into the New Age, we’ll use more of the energies from the Second Sun. These Energies are expected to become more prominent post 2012, because of our entry into the Photon belt and the Galactic alignment. They help us in our spiritual evolution and in opening up to newer realities.

Much Love To All

[Mandala]

I know this is a huge debatable topic. However, I do find the Avebury Manor crop circle of great interest, and I like the work of Patty Greer. I think there is a message with great meaning, there for us.

I feel quite a bit like greybeard, I do not believe or disbelieve because I feel no one knows for sure what will happen. I found Marshall Master's concept of an Intention Vortex, interesting in which he believes can be accomplished through spiritual, science and technology. I've never heard this term before.

I find that Marshall Masters and Major Ed Dames are both strong believers in a solar driven event. I do feel something is out there, with large mass, and is having a tremendous effect on our solar system's electro-magnetics. This could be the reason for NASA's declaration of a high solar activity warning from now through 2014.

Dreams, I had heard that the asteroid field was a former planet in our solar system that was destroyed, not Nibiru. I have heard that same story about Nibiru being previously destroyed in another incident, but how do we now for sure? I find it very difficult to wade through what is really true and what is a lie from either side. The government says Nibiru doesn't exist. How can something be destroyed that doesn't or never existed? Just something to think about.

[Mandala]

I also can't help but wonder about brief news report such as this one back in Feb. 2011.

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[nearing]

Perhaps he has the basics right and the rest is bible story stuff?

The best site on the net for the answers to this is The Binary Research Institute. (http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/)


The precession of the equinox is observed as the stars moving across the sky at the rate of about 50 arc seconds per year, relative to the equinox. Conventional theory holds that this phenomenon is due to the gravity of the sun and moon acting upon the oblate spheroid of the earth causing the axis to wobble (the lunisolar theory). The alternative explanation advanced by the Binary Research Institute is that most of the observable is due to solar system motion, causing a reorientation of the earth relative to the fixed stars as the solar system gradually curves through space (the binary theory or model). We find the binary model better explains acceleration of the precession rate, better predicts changes in the rate, answers a number of solar system problems and has none of the paradoxes or inconsistencies associated with lunisolar precession theory.

The Binary Companion Theory.


A binary system is two stars gravitationally bound orbiting a common center of mass. The stars can be of the same or differing sizes and orbits can be as short as a few days or as long as thousands of years. The short ones are easy to detect, the long ones difficult, some probably impossible to detect because of the very long observation period required.


While there is no obvious visible companion star to our Sun, there could be a dark binary, such as a brown dwarf or possibly a relatively small black hole, either of which might be very difficult to detect, without accurate and lengthy analysis.

The site goes on to explain how the binary theory takes care of many irregularities that physicists have observed in our system that the current "lunisolar" theory cannot.

According to these scientists, we do have a sister star in our system and it's very possible that the strange things we are observing now can be attributed to it coming ever closer to our sun at this time.

And as Chris said above, this is all important because of the Ages, Cycles or Yugas of Consciousness. Simply put: When our companion star is closer to us, we live in the Higher Ages, the ages when man is most enlightened and lives in peace and harmony. When we are furthest away form our sister star, we live in the Dark Ages. At the present time we are only about 200 years out of the Darkest age (the Iron Age). We are on the Ascending limb of the 26,000 year cycle, meaning we are getting closer to the sister star. It's likely that we may be able to actually see it in the sky at some point as we get closer to the Higher Ages.

THIS is why I am attending the CPAK (Conference on Precession and Ancient Knowledge) this year in October! Anyone want to join me?

What CPAK Is All About (http://binaryresearchinstitute.org/cpakonline/content/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=4&Itemid=26)


Most history books still teach that about 5000 years ago mankind was a primitive hunter-gatherer incapable of complex thought. Under this paradigm megalithic structures found all over the world were built for sacrificial purposes, to deify a ruler, or to help a society ignorant of the seasons know when to plant its crops. Mankind was thought to be a brutish sort stuck in survival mode, incapable of little more than grunting and groaning. This myopic view is reinforced by misapplied evolutionary theory that requires that anything that came before us must be more primitive.

But the myth and folklore of ancestral people give us a far different story. They speak of a time when mankind walked with the gods and lived in harmony with nature on a pristine Earth. They whisper of a long lost Golden Age, and a celestial driven cycle where the rise and fall of the ages flows like seasons. Most of all, they speak with reverence about the stars and our connection with the heavens.

It has recently been discovered that most megalithic structures (cairns, tombs, henges, etc. around the globe) are astronomically aligned, or positioned to mark the solstices and cardinal points. Huge stones are one of the few things that still stand after several thousand years and these structures bespeak of a worldwide civilization attuned to the heavens - and more. One of our recent presenters at CPAK, scientist John Burke, author of Seed of Knowledge Stone of Plenty, has found that the magnetic polarity of the 66 remaining stones at Avebury are all positioned with their positive poles facing the next one in line – a discovery with huge implications! John took over a thousand readings with a flux magnetometer but how did the Ancients know about such subtle forces? And why did they align them in a pattern similar to a modern particle accelerator? Such discoveries suggest the megalithic builders understood certain electromagnetic properties and utilized them for purposes we have still not discovered.

One theme of CPAK is to look closely at the Great Year, and its mechanism that so fascinated the Ancients; the precession of the equinox. This task was begun by Giorgio de Santillana and Hertha von Deschend, in their book Hamlet’s Mill. This epic work documents hundreds of bits of myth and folklore from over thirty separate ancient cultures that all seem to tie the rise and fall of man and history to the procession (or rather precession – backward movement) of the equinox through the constellations of the zodiac. While these brilliant scholars died before deciphering the reasons for all this interest in precession, they did think it odd that so many cultures would be consumed with a motion that is hardly noticeable in the average lifespan today. They wondered if it had a great purpose.

Modern science tells us precession is an obscure effect due to lunisolar forces acting upon the oblate Earth and has nothing to do with history or the ages of man. At least that is the present theory.

Giorgio commented:

It has lost relevance for our affairs, whereas once it was the only majestic secular motion that our ancestors could keep in mind when they looked for a great cycle, which could affect humanity as a whole. But then our ancestors were astronomers and astrologers. They believed that the sliding of the sun along the equinoctial point affected the frame of the cosmos and determined a succession of world ages under different zodiacal signs. They had found a large peg on which to hang their thoughts about cosmic time, which brought all things in fateful order. Today, that order has lapsed like the idea of the cosmos itself. There is only history, which has been felicitously defined as “one damn thing after another”.

Contrary to modern theories, some ancient myth and iconography, like that of the mysterious Mithraic culture, suggests that the observable of precession (stars moving across sky) is due to our Sun orbiting another star. In a process similar to the Earth orbiting the Sun (which produces seasons) –they see the Sun’s vastly greater orbit producing changing conditions on Earth and a rise and fall in consciousness on a grand scale. The 1960’s lyric “the dawning of the age of Aquarius” is a reference to this ancient belief that as the equinox precesses through the constellations of the zodiac to a certain point, it will once again usher in a higher age. Could there be any truth to this belief? Modern scientists scoff at the very question. Thus the ancient and modern worldviews of precession and its impact on history and consciousness couldn’t be more opposed.

At CPAK we look at this grand idea from every angle: Could precession have another cause and might our Sun have a companion star? If so, what are its mechanics and how might orbital changes in stellar electromagnetic fields affect the Earth’s ionosphere, magnetosphere and consciousness in a cyclical pattern? What does myth say about the higher ages and what evidence do we find to support them? How do we tell time on the Celestial Clock of the ages and where exactly are we now? Are we really at the dawning of greater awareness or a new time? How much did the Ancients really know?

In the standard paradigm of history anomalous artifacts like the Greek Antikythera device (a thousand years before the invention of complex precision gears) or the Baghdad batteries (two thousand years before Volta invented the battery) do not make sense. Likewise, ancient hints of subtle forces whether it is Qigong or Feng Shui in China, or the electromagnetic and electrostatic properties found at Mesoamerican mounds and pyramids, are baffling to the modern mindset. But the ancient idea of a Great Year provides a logical context in which to fit such knowledge and gives meaning to myth and folklore from around the world.

So far our collective efforts show that there appears to have been a relatively advanced civilization all over the globe at a time when our textbooks tell us we were simple hunter-gatherers. The people had in-depth knowledge of geometry, mathematics, celestial motions, efficient and sustainable agriculture, specialized soils still un-reproducible today, plant hybridization, animal husbandry, hydraulics, poetry, music and epic story telling, and of course the ability to build huge carefully engineered structures that aligned to mirror the heavens. More difficult to believe is further evidence that suggests they had fantastic memories and understood principles of subtle energies of which we are still unaware, and quite possibly, telepathy and clairvoyance, or other higher age sciences, we still cannot conceive.

Warning: This conference may address untraditional viewpoints subject to prosecution by the paradigm police. If you work in an untenured position in academia or other learning institution where unorthodox thinking is discouraged we advise you to avoid this event.

MUST SEE!!!! (before it's removed from You Tube!! and it will be as it is copyrighted)

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[StarDust]

truthseekerdan,

You may want to compare note with DreamsInDigital on the whole Nebaru/Planet X thing. I think DID is correct on this one.

[DreamsInDigital]

I find that Marshall Masters and Major Ed Dames are both strong believers in a solar driven event. I do feel something is out there, with large mass, and is having a tremendous effect on our solar system's electro-magnetics. This could be the reason for NASA's declaration of a high solar activity warning from now through 2014.
I have a friend of mine that knows Ed Dames personally, actually had him and his team do some work for a project we're involved with. He's since changed his tune at least privately. And, I spoke with a friend of mine also that talks to Moraney (the same ET/ED that Alex Collier communicates with) and Moraney was very adamant that there would NOT be a "kill shot" solar event. I've had several other sources confirm this.

Dreams, I had heard that the asteroid field was a former planet in our solar system that was destroyed, not Nibiru. I have heard that same story about Nibiru being previously destroyed in another incident, but how do we now for sure? I find it very difficult to wade through what is really true and what is a lie from either side. The government says Nibiru doesn't exist. How can something be destroyed that doesn't or never existed? Just something to think about.
The Asteroid Belt is actually a combination of two planets, also some of the other remains of the two planets Maldeck and I think the other starts with a "C" are found in the rings of Saturn and Neptune or is it Uranus?, Nibiru was destroyed in 2003 and became part of the Kupler Belt , this is separate from the Asteroid Belt. I don't remember the guy's name precisely but there was one or two astrophysicist that confirmed the Nibiru planet/mothership had been destroyed, multiple ET/ED contactees have said it was destroyed in 2003, even my own ET's I'm in contact with confirm this.

As for the Government and NASA, how anyone could believe a word of anything that comes out of their mouths at this point knowing how much they lie and intentionally misdirect etc, is beyond me. I have sources I know I can trust and are honest and reliable, I have my own instincts and inner sense of knowing and my own soul memories to guide me. Everyone, needs to develop their instincts and let only their instincts guide them. This information I'm sharing is just my perspective based on the facts and information I have gathered through multiple highly reliable sources, a whole lot of research over many many years, my own memories, instincts, what I know to be the truth based on the evidence that I've been presented with. I can very confidently say I do know, when others become self empowered and develop their own instincts and inner sense of knowing. They will too. And you will learn as well to instinctively discern truth from fiction, as I have.

[nearing]

Moraney was very adamant that there would NOT be a "kill shot" solar event. I've had several other sources confirm this.

I agree with this as well. This isn't a catastrophic event but the opposite. We are coming OUT of the Dark ages - FINALLY!

[of course, this isn't happening quick enough for my taste].

[frozen alchemy]

There's no such thing as the 'Kupler belt'. Do you mean the Kuiper belt? Please ask Moranae to contact me, I have questions that other people never seem to ask.

[DreamsInDigital]

There's no such thing as the 'Kupler belt'. Do you mean the Kuiper belt? Please ask Moranae to contact me, I have questions that other people never seem to ask.
Yes, that's the one I meant. Never seem to get the spelling on that right. Thanks.

[greybeard]

Im joking ( I think)
Anyone who said they know whats going to happen either died thousands of years ago, or is an extra terestial.

Chris

[Robstar]

I don't know about all this speculation about two suns.

But our sun is going through some major changes that us humans have never seen before. And now scientist are saying that our sun will have for the first time ever observed four magnetic poles. The south side is moving north but the north magnetic pole is holding steady. We have never witnessed this before. With the help of the solar optical telescope aboard the Japenesse Hinode satellite, we(scientist) can take accurate measurements of this event.This was predicted for next year but now it looks like it will take place in the month of May 2012.

This may very well not mean anything for us here on earth other than just a very interesting observation.
So don't go thinking it will be your awakening or the end of the world or any of the other "mumbo jumbo" infesting this forums now a days.

Have a sunny day! :cool:

http://dwqovw6qi0vie.cloudfront.net/article-imgs/en/2012/04/20/AJ201204200075/AJ201204200076M.jpg

Articles here:
http://hinode.nao.ac.jp/news/120419PressRelease/index_e.shtml

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/social_affairs/AJ201204200075

[OnyxKnight]

Our Sun has a twin, another star, which is called as the Second Sun. This is also referred to many as Nibiru and Planet X. This star exists at a subtle level and although it usually isn’t visible to the naked eye, it sometimes becomes visible to those who are spiritually evolved and has been photographed.

Since the Second Sun exists at a higher vibration level, it supports life of a higher order, that is, the life in the New Age (Earth). As we go into the New Age, we’ll use more of the energies from the Second Sun. These Energies are expected to become more prominent post 2012, because of our entry into the Photon belt and the Galactic alignment. They help us in our spiritual evolution and in opening up to newer realities.

Much Love To All

When I need to repeat myself (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44111-Two-Suns-in-2012&p=472909&viewfull=1#post472909), I do.


The Asteroid Belt is actually a combination of two planets, also some of the other remains of the two planets Maldeck and I think the other starts with a "C" are found in the rings of Saturn and Neptune or is it Uranus?, Nibiru was destroyed in 2003 and became part of the Kupler Belt , this is separate from the Asteroid Belt. I don't remember the guy's name precisely but there was one or two astrophysicist that confirmed the Nibiru planet/mothership had been destroyed, multiple ET/ED contactees have said it was destroyed in 2003, even my own ET's I'm in contact with confirm this.

Not true.

[DreamsInDigital]

It's what multiple contactees have said about Nibiru, including Alex Collier, It's even what I've been told by my own ET's. I might have been wrong on the thing about the astrophysicists, possibly. But, I know I got the rest of the information correct.

[lightseeker]

Thanks Nearing for your comments and the video, I found it very informative. I too had heard that Nibiru was destroyed in 2003, however I do not remember where i found this info. Can you or anyone else point me to the source of this information?

[DreamsInDigital]

Among multiple others, Alex Collier mentions it in his lectures. But, it's something that has been said by 20 plus ET/ED Contactees. I don't remember the specific place though or which one.

[StarDust]

The Asteroid Belt is actually a combination of two planets, also some of the other remains of the two planets Maldeck and I think the other starts with a "C" are found in the rings of Saturn and Neptune or is it Uranus?

DID,

Perhaps the "C" you are referring to is Chiron?

As per RA with regard to Chiron from Amorah Quan Yin's "Pleiadian Perspectives on Human Evolution":

"Chiron is a large asteroid located between Uranus and Saturn. It is the astrological divine counterpart to this Maldekian-created belt. Chiron is the astrological aspect of the wounded healer who, in the process of serving, becomes damaged and must heal himself in order to ascend. His location in, and aspects to, your astrology chart are the major keys to unveiling your own individual wounds that, when healed, will lead to your own wholeness, enlightenment, and ascension. The key theme, once again, is in male/female balance and the right use of power and sexual energy."

Side Note: "Pleiadian Perspectives" is a wonderful book for anyone who is curious about the history of the development life in this solar system long before earth. It also helps to explain the diversity of humans on Earth today. Highly reccomended!

http://www.futuretg.com/FTHumanEvolutionCourse/Web/Amorah_Quan_Yin/Pleiadian_Perspectives_on_Human_Evolution/EN/Part%20III%20-%20Colonization%20of%20Maldek.html

[DreamsInDigital]

The one with the C that I'm referring to was actually a planet and was destroyed within the same time frame as Maldek, I just keep forgetting the name, like I some how manage to keep forgetting the proper spelling of the Kuiper Belt, lol. It's one of those things. And, there are so many different versions of what happened to Maldec (and even what the planet's name was, other than it seems everyone that knows anything about it at least agrees it's name starts with an "M"), there even seems to be some disconnect of when the two planets were destroyed, but they sat between Mars and Earth, Earth was closer to the sun at the time. Though I think they were destroyed in a interstellar war about 500,000yrs ago roughly.

[ThePythonicCow]

I deleted four posts above ... they strayed off the thread topic and into the realm of personal attacks and replies.

[ThePythonicCow]

MUST SEE!!!! (before it's removed from You Tube!! and it will be as it is copyrighted)

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It looks like this video was uploaded to Youtube Nov 10, 2011, so perhaps it will be allowed to remain there.

Yes - it is an excellent video - thanks for recommending it.

[Wind]

I believe that the companion star is a real thing, but I'm not sure what about to think about it. Some people that I trust say that it will arrive this year (just a matter of months!) and then some say that it will pass us/The Sun in a few years. I believe that Earth will be totally different in a year, so I wonder if it really matters. The most reliable persons in the alternative community all agree that this in fact is the transition time to Golden Age, but some of them do not want to set any dates. Months, years or a decade.... Soon we'll see in a way or another.

Either way, this is really exciting time to be alive! :)

[nearing]

I believe that the companion star is a real thing, but I'm not sure what about to think about it. Some people that I trust say that it will arrive this year (just a matter of months!) and then some say that it will pass us/The Sun in a few years. I believe that Earth will be totally different in a year, so I wonder if it really matters. The most reliable persons in the alternative community all agree that this in fact is the transition time to Golden Age, but some of them do not want to set any dates. Months, years or a decade.... Soon we'll see in a way or another.

Either way, this is really exciting time to be alive! :)

According to the scientists who are studying such things the true Golden Age is a long way ahead yet but exciting things are slated to happen in our lifetimes. We are in the 'Ascending' bronze age after all!

[DreamsInDigital]

Nearing,

Have you read anything from Susan Joy Rennison? She has several degrees in Physics and few other things. I would love to hear your thoughts on her research. And, any others that have read her work that want to comment. She's one scientist that has been able to prove what many contactees have been saying now for a long time. About our evolution and changes that are coming etc.

[nearing]

Nearing,

Have you read anything from Susan Joy Rennison? She has several degrees in Physics and few other things. I would love to hear your thoughts on her research. And, any others that have read her work that want to comment. She's one scientist that has been able to prove what many contactees have been saying now for a long time. About our evolution and changes that are coming etc.

I haven't heard of her but I am always looking for more information on the subbject! Thanks for sharing, Dreams.

[Mandala]

Ridicule might delay truth but it can't replace it. In recent weeks astonishing rumors have been spreading fast in science circles, and soon the wider public will be in the know. According to these rumors, despite all the denial and ridicule, planet Nibiru is real. Yes, you read that correctly. Nibiru is a fact. Science leaders are ready to admit the observation of Nibiru.

http://www.science20.com/hammock_physicist/right_under_our_eyes_nibiru_its_way-88570

This rogue object was there all the time. Right under our eyes. Since the days of Galileo we are aware of its existence. Initially it was mistaken for a star, and later for a solar system planet. It's neither.

We currently know Nibiru as Neptune, allegedly the ninth planet. It simply isn't. You could call it the 8.5th planet: a massive object disguising itself as a planet in-between the 8th and 9th stable planetary orbits. Astronomers now refer to Neptune as a WIMP, a Wandering Immensely Massive Planetoid. WIMPs are dark objects that appear to be abundant in the universe and make up most of its mass. They wander from planetary system to planetary system, leaving a trail of havoc.


Nibiru Cataclysm
The breaking news is that our solar WIMP, aka Nibiru, aka Planet-X, aka Neptune, is behaving according to the Mayan and Nostradamian prophecies. It is leaving its unstable orbit and will soon be on its way to Earth. Large-scale computations by a NASA team headed by Dr. Nancy Lieder have revealed that this WIMP weighing in at 17 times Earth, will approach our planet at the end-date of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar, December this year. The good news is: there will be no collision.

I repeat: NIBIRU AND EARTH WON'T COLLIDE.

However, that does not mean the close encounter will not affect us. Far from that. On December 21st, at the point of closest approach, Nibiru's gravitational forces will cause unparalleled tidal effects on Earth's oceans, and large-scale global tsunamis will result.

[ghostrider]

what concerns me, there is no more fear tatics to scare us with, after 2012, no myans, no second coming, for centuries all ancient myths/legends have looked to 2012. the ptb will use that to crush us, if we choose fear, we must choose peace and harmony, even if a CME devistates our world or a seaquake wipes out oregon/california. we must go in peace not in fear.

[Hervé]

Links to Susan Joy Rennison:

http://www.susanrennison.com/ (http://www.susanrennison.com/)


Links to Susan's lectures:

http://collegerama.tudelft.nl/medias...a28ac0c7d1e61d (http://collegerama.tudelft.nl/mediasite/SilverlightPlayer/Default.aspx?peid=c29550a872814c2a9e7ba28ac0c7d1e61d)

http://collegerama.tudelft.nl/medias...5e939f4e7a651d (http://collegerama.tudelft.nl/mediasite/SilverlightPlayer/Default.aspx?peid=35db8f210f224262b3dc5e939f4e7a651d)

[Mandala]

Spacecraft Will Search for Evidence of a Hypothetical Lost Planet

TheiaAstronomers are hoping to catch a glimpse of debris that could be leftover from a cosmic collision between our Earth and a Mars-sized planet called Theia–if, in fact, it existed at all. “It’s a hypothetical world. We’ve never actually seen it, but some researchers believe it existed 4.5 billion years ago — and that it collided with Earth to form the moon,” said Mike Kaiser, a NASA scientist [SPACE.com].

The research will be done with the two Stereo spacecraft that are on their way to observe the sun; on their way they’ll have a chance to do some “bonus science,” as one researcher called it. The spacecraft are passing through two regions of space, called Lagrangian points, where the gravity from the Earth and the sun combine to form wells that tend to collect solar system detritus…. Scientists think Theia may even have formed in one of these gravitational points of balance from the accumulation of flotsam that had built up there [SPACE.com].

According to one theory of our moon‘s origin, the gravitational pull of Venus may have tugged Theia out of its stable spot, and sent it careening into Earth. The glancing blow stripped the impactor of its outer layer, along with some of Earth’s. Its iron core is thought to have melted and much of it merged with Earth’s iron core. The outer material – mostly belonging to the impactor – gathered itself together and formed the moon. [This theory] explains why the moon has such a tiny iron core. It also explains why the the geochemistry of Earth and moon materials are so similar – they formed in the same region of the nebula of dust and gas that surrounded the early sun [The Christian Science Monitor].

Astronomers have looked for large “Theiasteroids” in the Lagranian points with ground-based telescopes, with little success. But the Stereo spacecraft will have a better view that will allow it to search for smaller asteroid chunks. The spacecraft pair will also study the mineral composition of any asteroids it sights to determine if they’re chemically similar to Earth or the moon.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/04/14/spacecraft-will-search-for-evidence-of-a-hypothetical-lost-planet/

[Mandala]

The world's astronomers, under the auspices of the International Astronomical Union (IAU), have concluded two years of work defining the lower end of the planet scale - what defines the difference between "planets" and "solar system bodies". If the definition is approved by the astronomers gathered 14-25 August 2006 at the IAU General Assembly in Prague, our Solar System will consist of 12 planets: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Ceres, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, Charon and 2003 UB313. The three new proposed planets are Ceres, Charon (Pluto's companion) and 2003 UB313 ("Xena"). There is no change in the planetary status of Pluto. In this artist's impression the planets are drawn to scale, but without correct relative distances. Image courtesy the International Astronomical Union/Martin Kornmesser.

http://www.sciencebuzz.org/image/the_12_planets

[DreamsInDigital]

what concerns me, there is no more fear tatics to scare us with, after 2012, no myans, no second coming, for centuries all ancient myths/legends have looked to 2012. the ptb will use that to crush us, if we choose fear, we must choose peace and harmony, even if a CME devistates our world or a seaquake wipes out oregon/california. we must go in peace not in fear.
I have a perspective on this, I am highly considering starting a whole thread on the subject actually, which was suggested to me by one of the Mods. But, I need to gather more information on it first and hopefully find some resources that people can actually physically read and see for themselves. And, not just information based on my personal sources. As to why the Prophecies only go back about 10,000 years, are all focused on a specific 'time period' and all roughly intimate to predict the end of the world. It has to do with Germans, Time Travel Experiments, Portals, and Grays.

[Mandala]

Quite a few unusual things are going on.

Ker Than

for National Geographic News

Published April 19, 2012

Dark matter is mysteriously missing from the sun's neighborhood, according to a new study that could provide ammunition for skeptics who argue that the invisible substance is just an illusion.

"There will be people claiming dark matter doesn't exist because of this result," predicted study leader Christian Moni-Bidin, an astronomer at Chile's University of Concepción.

"These observations alone do not prove that dark matter does not exist. Still, it is not where we expected it and where we needed it."

(See "Dark Matter Is an Illusion, New Antigravity Theory Says.")

Even though dark matter particles can't be detected with current instruments, astronomers think the substance must make up about a quarter of the universe, based on the gravitational effect it has on visible matter such as galaxies and galaxy clusters.

Since its discovery in the 1930s, the material has become crucial for galaxy-formation theories, which say that dark matter functions as a kind of invisible scaffold around which normal matter gravitationally coalesces to form stars and larger objects.

(Also see "Dark Matter Blob Should Not Exist, But There It Is.")

Current models of how galaxies form and rotate suggest that the Milky Way is embedded in a cloud, or halo, of dark matter. Astronomers can't tell precisely what shape this halo takes, but they expected to find significant amounts of dark matter in the region around the sun.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/04/120419-dark-matter-sun-missing-stars-milky-way-space-science/

[Hervé]

Ridicule might delay truth but it can't replace it.
[...]

http://www.science20.com/hammock_physicist/right_under_our_eyes_nibiru_its_way-88570

[...]

Oh dear, dear... what have we got here...

My! Nancy Lieder got a doctorate of something since her 2003 fiasco!



Right Under Our Eyes: Nibiru On Its Way? (http://www.science20.com/hammock_physicist/right_under_our_eyes_nibiru_its_way-88570)
By Johannes Koelman (http://www.science20.com/profile/johannes_koelman) | March 31st 2012 05:40 PM | 32 comments (http://www.science20.com/hammock_physicist/right_under_our_eyes_nibiru_its_way-88570#comments)

[...]

--> Scroll down to the pre-order information in case you are less interested in the scientific background to, and evidence for, the Nibiru encounter as explained by Dr. Nancy Lieder. <--


Dear Nancy Lieder of Zeta Talk fear mongering psyop fame (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43247-Planet-X-COVER-UP-Zeta-Talk-Newsletter.&p=459803&viewfull=1#post459803).



Besides... one of the comment:


In follow up to above message, my client Nancy Lieder has discussed the case with me, Shawn Holley, partner at Kinsella Weitzman Iser Kump & Aldisert LLP. We order you, Johannes Koelman, and the owner(s) of the site "Science20.com" to take the following action no later than 18:00 hrs EST, today April 1:

1) remove above weblog posting which misquotes my client in a dramatic way

2) post a sincere apology to my client, which shall including a link to her website. This apology should stay on the scince20.com main page for at least 3 (three) months


S. Holley, attorney at law (not verified) | 04/01/12 | 06:58 AM
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Sometimes I just hope that people have a sense of humor... Then again, your post just may be the bit of satire that I have yet to wrap my head around. This is what makes April Fools awesome!

Made my day (not verified) | 04/11/12 | 17:04 PM

[ThePythonicCow]

Ridicule might delay truth but it can't replace it. In recent weeks astonishing rumors have been spreading fast in science circles, and soon the wider public will be in the know. According to these rumors, despite all the denial and ridicule, planet Nibiru is real. Yes, you read that correctly. Nibiru is a fact. Science leaders are ready to admit the observation of Nibiru.

http://www.science20.com/hammock_physicist/right_under_our_eyes_nibiru_its_way-88570

Is the "Nancy Lieder" in that article the head of a "NASA team" performing "large-scale computations" (quoting from your link), or is she the Nancy Lieder of ZetaTalk, who first "said Nibiru would cause widespread disaster in May 2003" (quoting from ZetaTalk.com) (http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/17de2011.htm).

Or is that science20.com article a parody, as suggested here (http://earthchanges.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=6126809%3ABlogPost%3A218055&xg_source=activity&page=1#comments)?

Aha - it's an April Fool's joke. Click on the "PREORDERING WILL CLOSE SUNDAY APRIL 1, 23:59 EST. " link below the article in your original link :).

[Rogerc]

Ridicule might delay truth but it can't replace it. In recent weeks astonishing rumors have been spreading fast in science circles, and soon the wider public will be in the know. According to these rumors, despite all the denial and ridicule, planet Nibiru is real. Yes, you read that correctly. Nibiru is a fact. Science leaders are ready to admit the observation of Nibiru.

http://www.science20.com/hammock_physicist/right_under_our_eyes_nibiru_its_way-88570

Is the "Nancy Lieder" in that article the head of a "NASA team" performing "large-scale computations" (quoting from your link), or is she the Nancy Lieder of ZetaTalk, who first "said Nibiru would cause widespread disaster in May 2003" (quoting from ZetaTalk.com) (http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/17de2011.htm).

Or is that science20.com article a parody, as suggested here (http://earthchanges.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=6126809%3ABlogPost%3A218055&xg_source=activity&page=1#comments)?

Aha - it's an April Fool's joke. Click on the "PREORDERING WILL CLOSE SUNDAY APRIL 1, 23:59 EST. " link below the article in your original link :).

I fled to the hills in the late seventies because of dire predictions with the alignment of the planets and sold my computer for the Y2K.
I'll see y'all on the 12/22/2012
Our real problem is with the Rothschilds - focus people. All the rest is disinformation. And if it's not so be it.

[ajyana]

The one with the C that I'm referring to was actually a planet and was destroyed within the same time frame as Maldek, ........ And, there are so many different versions of what happened to Maldec (and even what the planet's name was, other than it seems everyone that knows anything about it at least agrees it's name starts with an "M")........


the "C" = Ceres ?

& the "M" = Maldek , Maldec , Mallona, Marduk etc, also the Sumerian called it Tiamat ?

[apokalypse]

Cerona?

from OnyxKnight
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15909-My-ET-contact-experiences--discussions-Q-A-panel-etc.-/page8


The Nibiruans also have what is called, a rite for rullership, since they have adopted the heavy clan-based society model from the Sirians of Sirius B. The two respective lines of family, heavily opposed in worldviews, compete for the rullership of the planet every few thousand years. They usually abandon mining operations during this time, and leave star systems, and let the decision be made in the "void". They return periodically to the places where they have gold mines, but not in exact periods. The "3600 year" cycles is incorrect in several aspects, and mostly because they weren't here 3600 years ago, but quite a longer time than that. So, after the gold accumulation is complete, they leave this star system and travel to others. 95 million years later they return here, after a war that destroyed two planets (Cerona and Maldek), who are presently the Asteroid Belt. They create another huge mining facility in Central Africa. This time, few colonies came to research the changed planet Earth (Earth had been subject to slow terraformation), and a particular creature that was raised in domed facilities in the colony 'Ashoulan' (the present day Antarctica) caught their interest, as they observed that it had learned how to use tools for various purposes, like dig holes, create leaf envelopes to gather water, break eggs, open fruit casings etc.

[modwiz]

Cerona?

from OnyxKnight
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15909-My-ET-contact-experiences--discussions-Q-A-panel-etc.-/page8


The Nibiruans also have what is called, a rite for rullership, since they have adopted the heavy clan-based society model from the Sirians of Sirius B. The two respective lines of family, heavily opposed in worldviews, compete for the rullership of the planet every few thousand years. They usually abandon mining operations during this time, and leave star systems, and let the decision be made in the "void". They return periodically to the places where they have gold mines, but not in exact periods. The "3600 year" cycles is incorrect in several aspects, and mostly because they weren't here 3600 years ago, but quite a longer time than that. So, after the gold accumulation is complete, they leave this star system and travel to others. 95 million years later they return here, after a war that destroyed two planets (Cerona and Maldek), who are presently the Asteroid Belt. They create another huge mining facility in Central Africa. This time, few colonies came to research the changed planet Earth (Earth had been subject to slow terraformation), and a particular creature that was raised in domed facilities in the colony 'Ashoulan' (the present day Antarctica) caught their interest, as they observed that it had learned how to use tools for various purposes, like dig holes, create leaf envelopes to gather water, break eggs, open fruit casings etc.

"My Cerona" by The Knack? Great song.

[DreamsInDigital]

the "C" = Ceres ?

& the "M" = Maldek , Maldec , Mallona, Marduk etc, also the Sumerian called it Tiamat ?
Yes, that's the name I remember it as, thank you. I was talking to a friend of mine that has memories like me of being there during the time that Maldec and the other planet were destroyed. So this has some strong significance to me.

[OnyxKnight]

Cerona?

What you did only caused more damage. If I wanted, I could have easily shared the info myself here. I didn't, because I didn't want her to remember what she forgot, and then present it as her own genuine info delivered to her by her contacts.

Next time, please refrain from helping.

[Mandala]

Ridicule might delay truth but it can't replace it.
[...]

http://www.science20.com/hammock_physicist/right_under_our_eyes_nibiru_its_way-88570

[...]

Oh dear, dear... what have we got here...

My! Nancy Lieder got a doctorate of something since her 2003 fiasco!



Right Under Our Eyes: Nibiru On Its Way? (http://www.science20.com/hammock_physicist/right_under_our_eyes_nibiru_its_way-88570)
By Johannes Koelman (http://www.science20.com/profile/johannes_koelman) | March 31st 2012 05:40 PM | 32 comments (http://www.science20.com/hammock_physicist/right_under_our_eyes_nibiru_its_way-88570#comments)

[...]

--> Scroll down to the pre-order information in case you are less interested in the scientific background to, and evidence for, the Nibiru encounter as explained by Dr. Nancy Lieder. <--


Dear Nancy Lieder of Zeta Talk fear mongering psyop fame (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43247-Planet-X-COVER-UP-Zeta-Talk-Newsletter.&p=459803&viewfull=1#post459803).



Besides... one of the comment:


In follow up to above message, my client Nancy Lieder has discussed the case with me, Shawn Holley, partner at Kinsella Weitzman Iser Kump & Aldisert LLP. We order you, Johannes Koelman, and the owner(s) of the site "Science20.com" to take the following action no later than 18:00 hrs EST, today April 1:

1) remove above weblog posting which misquotes my client in a dramatic way

2) post a sincere apology to my client, which shall including a link to her website. This apology should stay on the scince20.com main page for at least 3 (three) months


S. Holley, attorney at law (not verified) | 04/01/12 | 06:58 AM
------------------------------------------------------------------
Sometimes I just hope that people have a sense of humor... Then again, your post just may be the bit of satire that I have yet to wrap my head around. This is what makes April Fools awesome!

Made my day (not verified) | 04/11/12 | 17:04 PM


Amzer zo; We can all rely on you to separate the wheat from the chaff. Poor old Nancy, I guess she is still going strong on her site and the pranksters can't help but give her a degree and make fun at her expense.

[kersley]

This could be the kill shot Major Ed Dame speak about