OK... So what if all of our wild cards fail us?

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

The way i see it the decent people of this planet have a lot of wild cards that could possibly be working in our favor. We have the benjamin fulford material, which suggests that an asian secret society is working behind the scenes to throw out the OWO by various means (arrests, an economic planning agency started by the japanese that will be able to compete with the western cabal, etc). There's one. We have the ascension wild card which, according to some, suggests that we really don't have anything to worry about except getting our spiritual houses in order in time for the big event. There's two. And now more recently we have the drake material which suggests that the white hats in various branches of the military and government are planning to legally overthrow the corrupt OWO and bring them to justice. I believe that we are supposed to see these results by June sometime.

Now, i'm sure there are many other possible wild cards out there in the world of conspiracy research but for now I am just going to mention those three major ones. And here is my question: what if all of these claims of various forms of cavalry coming to the rescue are false? What if benjamin fulford and drake are either disinfo agents or are being fed false information from disinfo agents? What if none of us, even the purest of heart and soul among us, are going to leave this 3 dimensional plain and ascend at the end of this year? What if all of these ideas were put forth by the OWO to pacify us? What if nobody is coming to save us?

Let me be clear: I still have high hopes that some, or even all, of these wild cards will come through for us. My goal in asking these questions is simply to get people motivated to change our current paradigm in smaller ways both as individuals and as a collective.

:confused:

[foreverfan]

What are you saying? My futures in toilet paper stock are worthless?

Well that's the Billion Dollar question for sure. I guess if nothing changes... then nothing changes. If on December 31, 2012, it just starts out as another year then all of this is for naught, right? The bigger problem then would become dying... and you know... staying dead.

What if all of this is just an elaborate conspiracy designed to drive traffic to this site? What then? Think of the time you've wasted.

I prefer to think I have a front row seat to some pretty wild stuff happening. Either that or the greatest story ever.

Oh by the way... the gun isn't loaded.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

What are you saying? My futures in toilet paper stock are worthless?

Well that's the Billion Dollar question for sure. I guess if nothing changes... then nothing changes. If on December 31, 2012, it just starts out as another year then all of this is for naught, right? The bigger problem then would become dying... and you know... staying dead.

What if all of this is just an elaborate conspiracy designed to drive traffic to this site? What then? Think of the time you've wasted.

I prefer to think I have a front row seat to some pretty wild stuff happening. Either that or the greatest story ever.

Oh by the way... the gun isn't loaded.

Oh I look at it that way too! I think the breaking news on here is far more interesting than the breaking news on the mainstream press. This was just meant to promote the hope for the best prepare for the worst state of mind. And thanks for adding a light hearted element to this thread. I think it needed that. :o

[Cartomancer]

All of the 2012 hype reminds me of all the Y2k hype but with a little more rationale behind it. It does seem like there is some ulterior motive for promoting 2012. I think it has to do with the coming change of the age via the precession of the equinox. Its time for a new religion according to those who dictate such things.

Here's a good example of what Y2k was. The other day I was cleaning out a drawer and found a "Y2K" lighter. I remember a lot of t-shirts and survival food sales prior to Y2k (2000). Its all to mess with your head. Y2k was a dry run for what ever fun and games are on the horizon.

[red_rose]

i think that is a really good question. I'm gonna think on it fir a bit.

But, initially, the first thought that came to mind was, if i change then everything changes. the fractal effect.

it may be different for everyone. like, when you hear a new word, all of a sudden you hear it all the time, but you'd never noticed it before.

it's all about perception.

I, personally, don't believe, at this moment in time, that any change will happen overnight. things will change, which will create a snowballing effect. so good things will start to change more often and more quickly.

that's my initial, knee jerk thought on your question.

in love

red_rose

[aranuk]

I'd like to see some radical improvements before this body dies. Otherwise why did I come here?

Stan

[red_rose]

I'd like to see some radical improvements before this body dies. Otherwise why did I come here?

Stan

haha! I would then ask myself the question "have i radically improved?"

in love

red_rose

[Alex Laker]

I guess that well... erm... I don't know... the constant struggle for meaning will continue, I suppose.

But what if we didn't need saving? What if none of this matters. What if it already happened? If we are all infinite, and there is much beyond being glued to the surface of a seemingly rather beautiful sphere spinning and whirling around a yet bigger sphere, which is in turn burning and belching as it in turn spins and whirls around some inordinately more violent celestial notion... then why all the theatre?

You know, why do those galaxies in constellations in the shapes of animals whose points of view I never understood exist if I can never go there? What's the point? We can look for meaning or we can make our own.

Meaning is god. We look for god in everything, we hope that actually someone cares. We hope that if in those far off galaxies there are beings who feel the same way, we might meet them so that they might tell us the answers, when they may be none the wiser.

If we really felt that it wasn't worth being here, and that we could escape to some heavenly realm and know everything just by dying, then we would all kill ourselves. Aside from the biological fear of death, we are all scared that there is no meaning, even if we feel there must be. We haven't found it in this life, and so we can't be sure it exists. We haven't found it simply because we haven't created it yet.

We are already all powerful. We are creators. We are the creators of the very thing we seek - meaning. Meaning is god, and so we create god, and so we are more than gods. We are everything that can be at this moment, and that is all that can matter.

Creation is the act of taking this constant wonderment at the universe and turning into something meaningful. Something that makes sense. And even if you can't produce something that anyone finds meaningful, well at least you're passing the time.

Memento mori ita memento vivere. Remember death, and so remember to live. If you die, and your consciousness remains, then what will you do? You will search for meaning in this life. So make it.

The world is controlled by those who we perceive as evil simply because at some point in time, someone created a god and created a meaning for us. Generation after generation the deception became more and more insidious, more and more inescapable. An idea took control, and you became part of that idea, not by choice, but by circumstance.

That is the idea - to remove choice. The choice to believe in anything other than the idea - the system - the powers that be. Many feel comfortable within the idea, because it is a blanket. An illusory layer that passes for some semblance of reality. Many feel like they have power by virtue of the fact that they empower the idea. They have a role in society, and society gives them something in return - money, which gives you the privilege of being able to live in someone else's idea. And whoever that is, whoever controls your money is your god, your meaning and your everything. We have been enslaved.

And yet, we continue to further find meaning in the words of others. We relinquish our godliness to whatever makes us feel comfortable - our blankets. The illusory layers upon the true reality that keep us blind to our own power as individuals. Whether this be Benjamin Fulford, David Wilcock or the Pope. Anyone who tells you that someone is coming to save us, is just keeping us from finding our own meaning.

Perhaps providing hope is not all that bad, and part of me wants someone to come save us. It wants the easy way out. That's natural.

You know, there are souls coming to save us. New humans. Thousands born every day. Sadly the majority are born into the prevailing ideology of greed and destruction.

We need a new idea - a new way of living, and to me at least right now, it seems near damned impossible. The enslavement is colossal and it is an unimaginably long road ahead. And what if that is why we're all here? Each and everyone of us right now has the ability to change this. If there are enough of us, we can form this new 'idea'. We don't need any off-world intervention. If the PTB are fighting amongst themselves, then all the better for us.

The enslavement stops NOW! We must take the power back, and redistribute it back among all humans, and give everyone back their true creative power.

[jack]

The biggest wildcard you have is yourself and the incredibly profound power you have to contribute to peace on this planet when you are grounded in a state of peace and oneness with all that is.

The rest is just a diversion.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

I guess that well... erm... I don't know... the constant struggle for meaning will continue, I suppose.

But what if we didn't need saving? What if none of this matters. What if it already happened? If we are all infinite, and there is much beyond being glued to the surface of a seemingly rather beautiful sphere spinning and whirling around a yet bigger sphere, which is in turn burning and belching as it in turn spins and whirls around some inordinately more violent celestial notion... then why all the theatre?

You know, why do those galaxies in constellations in the shapes of animals whose points of view I never understood exist if I can never go there? What's the point? We can look for meaning or we can make our own.

Meaning is god. We look for god in everything, we hope that actually someone cares. We hope that if in those far off galaxies there are beings who feel the same way, we might meet them so that they might tell us the answers, when they may be none the wiser.

If we really felt that it wasn't worth being here, and that we could escape to some heavenly realm and know everything just by dying, then we would all kill ourselves. Aside from the biological fear of death, we are all scared that there is no meaning, even if we feel there must be. We haven't found it in this life, and so we can't be sure it exists. We haven't found it simply because we haven't created it yet.

We are already all powerful. We are creators. We are the creators of the very thing we seek - meaning. Meaning is god, and so we create god, and so we are more than gods. We are everything that can be at this moment, and that is all that can matter.

Creation is the act of taking this constant wonderment at the universe and turning into something meaningful. Something that makes sense. And even if you can't produce something that anyone finds meaningful, well at least you're passing the time.

Memento mori ita memento vivere. Remember death, and so remember to live. If you die, and your consciousness remains, then what will you do? You will search for meaning in this life. So make it.

The world is controlled by those who we perceive as evil simply because at some point in time, someone created a god and created a meaning for us. Generation after generation the deception became more and more insidious, more and more inescapable. An idea took control, and you became part of that idea, not by choice, but by circumstance.

That is the idea - to remove choice. The choice to believe in anything other than the idea - the system - the powers that be. Many feel comfortable within the idea, because it is a blanket. An illusory layer that passes for some semblance of reality. Many feel like they have power by virtue of the fact that they empower the idea. They have a role in society, and society gives them something in return - money, which gives you the privilege of being able to live in someone else's idea. And whoever that is, whoever controls your money is your god, your meaning and your everything. We have been enslaved.

And yet, we continue to further find meaning in the words of others. We relinquish our godliness to whatever makes us feel comfortable - our blankets. The illusory layers upon the true reality that keep us blind to our own power as individuals. Whether this be Benjamin Fulford, David Wilcock or the Pope. Anyone who tells you that someone is coming to save us, is just keeping us from finding our own meaning.

Perhaps providing hope is not all that bad, and part of me wants someone to come save us. It wants the easy way out. That's natural.

You know, there are souls coming to save us. New humans. Thousands born every day. Sadly the majority are born into the prevailing ideology of greed and destruction.

We need a new idea - a new way of living, and to me at least right now, it seems near damned impossible. The enslavement is colossal and it is an unimaginably long road ahead. And what if that is why we're all here? Each and everyone of us right now has the ability to change this. If there are enough of us, we can form this new 'idea'. We don't need any off-world intervention. If the PTB are fighting amongst themselves, then all the better for us.

The enslavement stops NOW! We must take the power back, and redistribute it back among all humans, and give everyone back their true creative power.

Wow you guys are awesome. What araxes and jack have said is exactly the point i was trying to get at. You guys give me hope!

[jack]

Enough can see this now, Alternativeinfojunkie that it is becoming imbedded into the subconsious of every man woman and child on this planet.

The power of one person in a state of peace and presence far outweighs the effect that is caused by a thousand people still stuck in negative thought patterns.

The creator in you is the creator in me. The creator is awakening.

Namaste

[KiwiElf]

...your "imagination" is the template. Create the "vision" in your mind that you prefer, then DO it :) It's as simple as you allow it to be. Right now,... where are you putting your attention: on the problem,... or the solution? :)

[Alie]

I'd like to see some radical improvements before this body dies. Otherwise why did I come here?

Stan

That is the question we ALL ask, right Stan? I bet your loved ones know the answer :)

[Alex Laker]

The biggest wildcard you have is yourself and the incredibly profound power you have to contribute to peace on this planet when you are grounded in a state of peace and oneness with all that is.

The rest is just a diversion.

Like the power to make a point in far fewer words :)

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Namaste to all of you! I KNOW we can do this!

[KiwiElf]

Jack is completely right. 100 % TRUST in the reality you prefer.

(It doesn't specifically have to boil down to Drake... (or anyone else) ie, just a general "idea" that things will improve - as specific as you can make it, but not nit-picky ;). Make it as "real" as you can. Mantra's, affirmations, prayers - they ALL work. :) They keep you focused. You have to start with YOU.

[Fred Steeves]

The way i see it the decent people of this planet have a lot of wild cards that could possibly be working in our favor.

Hi there AlternativeInfoJunkie, just want to start with a nod of my head to you for your intelligent and well thought out posts. This new thread being no exception.

That being said, and just for the rocord bro, me thinks you already know that the "wild card" is deep within each and every one of us, just waiting to end the game, and nowhere else to be found. Patiently, patiently waiting to be recognized. Some things are almost just too damn simple to be true though huh?

Cheers Mate,
Fred

[another bob]

"I went over to the other side with a lot of fears about toxic waste, nuclear missiles, the population explosion, the rainforest. I came back loving every single problem. I love nuclear waste. I love the mushroom cloud; this is the holiest mandala that we have manifested to date, as an archetype. It, more than any religion or philosophy on Earth, brought us together all of a sudden, to a new level of consciousness. Knowing that maybe we can blow up the planet fifty times, or 500 times, we finally realize that maybe we are all here together now. For a period they had to keep setting off more bombs to get it in to us. Then we started saying, "We do not need this any more."

Now we are actually in a safer world than we have ever been in, and it is going to get safer. So I came back loving toxic waste, because it brought us together. These things are so big. As Peter Russell might say, these problems are now "soul size." Do we have soul size answers? YES!

The clearing of the rain forest will slow down, and in fifty years there will be more trees on the planet than in a long time. If you are into ecology, go for it; you are that part of the system that is becoming aware. Go for it with all your might, but do not be depressed. It is part of a larger thing.

Earth is in the process of domesticating itself. It is never again going to be as wild a place as it once was. There will be great wild places, reserves where nature thrives. Gardening and reserves will be the thing in the future. Population increase is getting very close to the optimal range of energy to cause a shift in consciousness. That shift in consciousness will change politics, money, energy."

~Thomas Mellen Benedict

Excerpted from http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html

[Dennis Leahy]

I came to the conclusion that we have a duty to ourselves to figure out the games they play that inflict great harm on the vast majority of humanity. I'm fine. White male born in the US in the 50's to parents that could always provide for us. It would be easy for me to "go to a cave", (seek personal enlightenment as the goal), but I have felt compelled to do more for humanity. Most of us would help a starving person, right? (and then, maybe, "teach him to fish.") So how can we, how can I, lose sight of that portion of humanity that I cannot see, and yet know they suffer daily? I also hate to see the scars on Gaia (though I know she will survive), and hate to witness the species extinctions we humans cause in our greed.

So, yes, it would be lovely if one of the scenarios that involves cavalry were to come to fruition, but I for one am not counting on it. That's why I spent quite a bit of time trying to figure out a plan (Reset Button) to get less sociopathic and (hopefully) more compassionate people "in charge." I think it could do a great deal to alleviate the suffering.

As for the idea of looking strictly metaphysically, and focusing on creating reality... well, I admit I am too damn dense to transmutate my reality to a degree that the suffering of other lifeforms is greatly, positively impacted. I suspect that is why Siddartha Gautama chose to not just be blissed-out, but rather to share the gift with others. I don't just want to be free and full of joy - I want to share in freedom and joy with all.

Dennis

p.s. Nice to see you, Fred.

[Camilo]

Wherever you place your attention on the universe will manifest for you, so pretty much is up to all of us what we want to manifest.

[im awake]

if nothing happens i dont know about the rest of humanity but me for one im gonna cure cancer till they throw me in jail and maybe if i get smart enough have a crack at free energy.

[jorr lundstrom]

Its all enfolding. Flowers showering. Here. So where is the problem? LOL


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[GoodETxSG]

Why not look INWARD and to our Higher Selves to try to catch up Spiritually to where we have prematurely gotten technology wise? Love, Wisdom and the Science of Spiritual Growth is what will save us. Why rely on the thousands of species from space and other densities to come and "SAVE US"... at what cost will that rescue be to our “Saviors”? Watching us treating each other the way we have for tens of thousands of years with no change why would “They” even want to save us? What will we have learned and how would we have benefited/evolved?
Just a list of random thoughts...

[ghostrider]

strange , after dec 21, 2012 they have no more myths to scare us with. no more second coming, no more myan myths, no more countdown, the great unknown how exciting.....

[GoodETxSG]

strange , after dec 21, 2012 they have no more myths to scare us with. no more second coming, no more myan myths, no more countdown, the great unknown how exciting.....

Sorry Ghostrider... You are right we are pulling out of the "Ancient Prophesy" age, but now we are in the Scientific Prediction/Probabilities age... there are several planet killer comets and astroids on possible collision courses with earth every other decade or so for the next couple hundred years... insuring that the companies selling MRE's and Building your underground bunkers have plenty of time to utilize new tech to sell us by then. If we are not able to blow it out of the sky by then. Who knows what else the human mind can concock in the coming years to replace the boogie man and ancient tablets. ;)

[Mozart]

And here is my question[s]:...

[1] ...what if all of these claims of various forms of cavalry coming to the rescue are false? What if benjamin fulford and drake are either disinfo agents or are being fed false information from disinfo agents?


[2] What if none of us, even the purest of heart and soul among us, are going to leave this 3 dimensional plain and ascend at the end of this year? What if all of these ideas were put forth by the OWO to pacify us?


[3]What if nobody is coming to save us?





AlternativeInfoJunkie ~


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1) I am 99.9% sure that the dark bastard elites will be defeated, one way or another, and in a very short period of time from the date of this post. We won't have to wait until the end of this year, 2012, to defeat the elites. Their defeat is imminent, and I mean really effing imminent. I would be VERY surprised to see them still in power past the end of May of this year. I think that they'll be fully defeated well before the end of May.


2) I am 100% sure that we'll have an ascension from 3-D space/time to 4-D space/time, but this is a complicated subject that I definitely will visit upon once the mass arrests happen, not before. I've done a ton of research on this topic and can't wait to share what I know about it, but I just don't want to do this prior to the mass arrests. One thing at a time.


3) I am 100% sure that we have many, many UFO ships and many, many ETs out there around Earth, in our solar system, inside our Earth, in our seas and in the multiple levels of realities that exist here in 3-D space/time, as well as the 4-D time/space, plus the 5-D time/space realities that surround Earth as we know it.


There is literally a huge "star wars" going on right now that is even more dramatic than any of our movies of space-based battles. And our victory -- with our ET buddies helping us as much as they can -- is fully assured.


The ET cavalry really is here and they really are helping us.


We absolutely needed the help. If we did not get the critical help from our good-guy ET buddies, I can personally guarantee you that Earth would have been turned into a prison-planet hell hole a LONG, LONG time ago. But the ETs kept on interfering quietly here and there, keeping things on even keel, while allowing for negative events to happen, per the Law of Free Will and per the Law of Karma.


But there was a time in the future (projected from the seminal 1954 meeting of the ETs at the then-Muroc AFB with Eisenhower, et. al.) that the positive, good-guy ETs knew that they'd need to decisively step in and interfere massively with the power of the dark bastard elites, so much so that such interference has reached the level of "Divine intervention" events that have been experienced and witnessed by many thousands of military and civilian people.


In our post-mass-arrest world, we will be riveted by the dramatic accounts of what happened, when. Truthful and amazing drama that will put all those goddamn, eff'n sitcoms on TV to shame, utter shame. The Nielsen Ratings of many, if not most, sitcoms will totally fall off a cliff in the post-mass-arrest world.


And we will even have holographic projections that would allow us to see re-creations of the ETs spanking the asses off the bad-guy ETs, reptoids, clones, dark bastard elites, etc. It's going to be great entertainment -- truthful and sans commercials.


So, no, no need to worry about any of these "wild cards" failing us.

[9eagle9]

The world's power brokers are as multilayered and dimensional as anything else. We have our known satanic and luceriferians who are probably what one could call middle management, very low form as to be nearly boring and unimportant (save for the importance we assign to them) and about on the same level of the GFL crew in terms of importance and influence. However they have an edge because people keep themselves willfully ignorant.

That level of the PTB do the same thing over and over again because their means of ruling is based in a precise occult recipe that isn't deviated from because its low form magick, very dense and 4D. In the fashion they operate, and the way energy works it benefits them to have every man, woman, and child on the planet thinking about Dec 12, 2012. They certainly profited from Y2K and just 12 years later they are doing the same thing and does anyone notice. No.

Why? You tell me. A space ship is coming.

It gives energy to whatever they are planning for that time and whatever they are planning may not be known to us for months or years later. Like 9/11. They needed the WHOLE worlds focus on that event.

While our minds are all tied up in vaccinations, and chemtrails and mass population extinction, and aliens coming to save us a nuclear reactor is pumping out extreme amounts of radiation accomplishing pretty much what all the vaccinations and chemtrails etc, etc, blah and blah and double blah were intended for. Handwaving anyone? So that's underway. Does anyone notice even though it was blared out in the MSM. No. Aliens are coming to save us. We'll sit around and talk about all the stuff we believe in while they get their occult playdough out one more time.


The nuclear accident that occurred on a known occult date, that is used to initiate that sort of thing. March 11, 2011. 11 Days before the advent of Spring, another known occult date. 9/11 was known occult day. 11 days before the advent of FALL. FALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL......what fell?

More recently in the spring of 2011 what was sprung on us?

There is precise way to know what they are planning and its all thrown over for a bunch of new age bull**** and self indulgence: "I have to talk about 12-21-12"
"I have to talk about 12021-12 as a vitally important date therefore rendering it important."

The PTB cannot make 12-21-12 an important date, a solar and lunar and earth based event that occurs naturally. They need us to stuff a lot of energy into their alters to do that.

. "I neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed my fix."

The doubt know has alot of intentioned meaning and energy on it because.....we assigned a lot of meaning and intentioned energy to it. Gave away our power and now that energy will be used in some fashion that I'm sure that we will not be overly happy with. Let me know how that works out for you, because you KNOW everything.

They need our participation in obsessing about 12/21/12. And they are succeeding splendidly. Their unwitting new age operators who carry out their mission succeed in this by keeping everyone mind and energy in a constant whirl of speculation, good, bad or indifferent. We have what is called the power of uncertainty (chaos) churned out constantly, and its rapidly being spun into a power of intention. . One is better off thwarting their occult mode of operation which is your basic witchcraft, ( the real sort not the new age bs )by assigning December 12, 2012 as being absolutely meaningless.

It does little good but to show one how very unaware people are by blathering on about love and light when the answers are found in dark occult magick. We can't look THERE its NEGATIVE. Basically looking there does provide a calendar of events that has not been deviated from in thousands of years because they CAN'T deviate from it.

We can. But we don't. Why should we? A space ship is coming to clean everything up.

I really do not know what to tell people anymore. I really have given up. Why should I waste my time caring anymore? And why should I do anything people are just getting what they ask for. Who am I to interfere.

I just need to , if not honor the choices people make for willful ignorance and turning a blind eye to what is splashed right in front of their face, I guess I just have to respect the fact they have enough intestinal fortitude to dig their own grave, which they will no doubt protest falling into when the right hand comes along, precisely on the predicted date, and pushes them into that grave.

[Peace of Mind]

The only rescue efforts I see are coming from brave Humans that know we are the only ones that can save us. Be it OWS, protestors, people standing up against income taxes, folks putting others before self, animal activists, etc…

It’s foolish and irresponsible to wait around for a miracle from an unproven force/entity; our problems can be handled by us. We can do this easily if we ACTUALLY focused on doing it, but as we waste time discussion the same things over and over …people are still dying and suffering daily. Sooooo, with that said… who is worthy of these so called saviors when we don’t even make TRUE HONEST attempts to save our own hides first. It’s not like the threat is bigger than the collective populace. How can it be if not one person can prove it? The threat is there because certain people constantly advertise these threats …. but do little to nothing to eradicate them. That little fact alone should be enough to raise a brow… but apparently, common sense isn’t common. Some think I should be more tolerant with this; I would but I clearly see how stagnation is created here. I’m a warrior when it comes to deceivers and I have no problem sacrificing my being, reputation, and time combating these entities because they do nothing but weaken and blind us, especially those willing to consider without evidence. People may start to feel upset with me for my increased fighting attitude. Perhaps, later on they will have their eyes wide enough to see what I'm actually doing. If they are real to self...they should see this is for the well being and future of loved ones and all.

These deceivers have a talent for putting the weak minded in fear instead of uplifting them. But Why? While some wrestle with that answer...I will continue to expose fruads at every turn...making our journey an honest and fullfilling one.

Peace

[<8>]

Hi..


What if nobody is coming to save us?

Save us from what?

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

And here is my question[s]:...

[1] ...what if all of these claims of various forms of cavalry coming to the rescue are false? What if benjamin fulford and drake are either disinfo agents or are being fed false information from disinfo agents?


[2] What if none of us, even the purest of heart and soul among us, are going to leave this 3 dimensional plain and ascend at the end of this year? What if all of these ideas were put forth by the OWO to pacify us?


[3]What if nobody is coming to save us?





AlternativeInfoJunkie ~


I've isolated your questions (pssst -- they should have been isolated in the first place for easier reading) and numbered them with the numbers in the square brackets.


For those of you who are not familiar with the protocols of editing -- anything that an editor inserts into a document that's written by someone else, the editor always uses the square brackets to indicate that whatever was inserted was done so by an editor, for the sake of clarity, okay?


1) I am 99.9% sure that the dark bastard elites will be defeated, one way or another, and in a very short period of time from the date of this post. We won't have to wait until the end of this year, 2012, to defeat the elites. Their defeat is imminent, and I mean really effing imminent. I would be VERY surprised to see them still in power past the end of May of this year. I think that they'll be fully defeated well before the end of May.


2) I am 100% sure that we'll have an ascension from 3-D space/time to 4-D space/time, but this is a complicated subject that I definitely will visit upon once the mass arrests happen, not before. I've done a ton of research on this topic and can't wait to share what I know about it, but I just don't want to do this prior to the mass arrests. One thing at a time.


3) I am 100% sure that we have many, many UFO ships and many, many ETs out there around Earth, in our solar system, inside our Earth, in our seas and in the multiple levels of realities that exist here in 3-D space/time, as well as the 4-D time/space, plus the 5-D time/space realities that surround Earth as we know it.


There is literally a huge "star wars" going on right now that is even more dramatic than any of our movies of space-based battles. And our victory -- with our ET buddies helping us as much as they can -- is fully assured.


The ET cavalry really is here and they really are helping us.


We absolutely needed the help. If we did not get the critical help from our good-guy ET buddies, I can personally guarantee you that Earth would have been turned into a prison-planet hell hole a LONG, LONG time ago. But the ETs kept on interfering quietly here and there, keeping things on even keel, while allowing for negative events to happen, per the Law of Free Will and per the Law of Karma.


But there was a time in the future (projected from the seminal 1954 meeting of the ETs at the then-Muroc AFB with Eisenhower, et. al.) that the positive, good-guy ETs knew that they'd need to decisively step in and interfere massively with the power of the dark bastard elites, so much so that such interference has reached the level of "Divine intervention" events that have been experienced and witnessed by many thousands of military and civilian people.


In our post-mass-arrest world, we will be riveted by the dramatic accounts of what happened, when. Truthful and amazing drama that will put all those goddamn, eff'n sitcoms on TV to shame, utter shame. The Nielsen Ratings of many, if not most, sitcoms will totally fall off a cliff in the post-mass-arrest world.


And we will even have holographic projections that would allow us to see re-creations of the ETs spanking the asses off the bad-guy ETs, reptoids, clones, dark bastard elites, etc. It's going to be great entertainment -- truthful and sans commercials.


So, no, no need to worry about any of these "wild cards" failing us.


Man i sure hope you're right about those odds! See for me personally, I don't have any insider contacts. I'm not psychic. I've never had contact with extraterrestrials. I don't have any way to verify my suspicions about what's going on. I just FEEL things. I FEEL that the end of the OWO is near but I don't KNOW. I don't know how to KNOW for sure to be quite honest. I do my own research and I read books on these subjects and I try to keep up with the latest headlines but it's all very confusing to me. I often think: "what if i really am crazy, like a lot of people say, and what if this conspiratorial world that I believe exists really is just all in my head?" I know these questions make me vulnerable to ridicule but i don't know how else to put it. I really do have those thoughts some times. Thank you for your post advice by the way. I think that it would have looked better and been easier to read had i written it like that.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

And here is my question[s]:...

[1] ...what if all of these claims of various forms of cavalry coming to the rescue are false? What if benjamin fulford and drake are either disinfo agents or are being fed false information from disinfo agents?
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[2] What if none of us, even the purest of heart and soul among us, are going to leave this 3 dimensional plain and ascend at the end of this year? What if all of these ideas were put forth by the OWO to pacify us?


[3]What if nobody is coming to save us?





AlternativeInfoJunkie ~


I've isolated your questions (pssst -- they should have been isolated in the first place for easier reading) and numbered them with the numbers in the square brackets.


For those of you who are not familiar with the protocols of editing -- anything that an editor inserts into a document that's written by someone else, the editor always uses the square brackets to indicate that whatever was inserted was done so by an editor, for the sake of clarity, okay?


1) I am 99.9% sure that the dark bastard elites will be defeated, one way or another, and in a very short period of time from the date of this post. We won't have to wait until the end of this year, 2012, to defeat the elites. Their defeat is imminent, and I mean really effing imminent. I would be VERY surprised to see them still in power past the end of May of this year. I think that they'll be fully defeated well before the end of May.


2) I am 100% sure that we'll have an ascension from 3-D space/time to 4-D space/time, but this is a complicated subject that I definitely will visit upon once the mass arrests happen, not before. I've done a ton of research on this topic and can't wait to share what I know about it, but I just don't want to do this prior to the mass arrests. One thing at a time.


3) I am 100% sure that we have many, many UFO ships and many, many ETs out there around Earth, in our solar system, inside our Earth, in our seas and in the multiple levels of realities that exist here in 3-D space/time, as well as the 4-D time/space, plus the 5-D time/space realities that surround Earth as we know it.


There is literally a huge "star wars" going on right now that is even more dramatic than any of our movies of space-based battles. And our victory -- with our ET buddies helping us as much as they can -- is fully assured.


The ET cavalry really is here and they really are helping us.


We absolutely needed the help. If we did not get the critical help from our good-guy ET buddies, I can personally guarantee you that Earth would have been turned into a prison-planet hell hole a LONG, LONG time ago. But the ETs kept on interfering quietly here and there, keeping things on even keel, while allowing for negative events to happen, per the Law of Free Will and per the Law of Karma.


But there was a time in the future (projected from the seminal 1954 meeting of the ETs at the then-Muroc AFB with Eisenhower, et. al.) that the positive, good-guy ETs knew that they'd need to decisively step in and interfere massively with the power of the dark bastard elites, so much so that such interference has reached the level of "Divine intervention" events that have been experienced and witnessed by many thousands of military and civilian people.


In our post-mass-arrest world, we will be riveted by the dramatic accounts of what happened, when. Truthful and amazing drama that will put all those goddamn, eff'n sitcoms on TV to shame, utter shame. The Nielsen Ratings of many, if not most, sitcoms will totally fall off a cliff in the post-mass-arrest world.


And we will even have holographic projections that would allow us to see re-creations of the ETs spanking the asses off the bad-guy ETs, reptoids, clones, dark bastard elites, etc. It's going to be great entertainment -- truthful and sans commercials.


So, no, no need to worry about any of these "wild cards" failing us.


Man i sure hope you're right about those odds! See for me personally, I don't have any insider contacts. I'm not psychic. I've never had contact with extraterrestrials. I don't have any way to verify my suspicions about what's going on. I just FEEL things. I FEEL that the end of the OWO is near but I don't KNOW. I don't know how to KNOW for sure to be quite honest. I do my own research and I read books on these subjects and I try to keep up with the latest headlines but it's all very confusing to me. I often think: "what if i really am crazy, like a lot of people say, and what if this conspiratorial world that I believe exists really is just all in my head?" I know these questions make me vulnerable to ridicule but i don't know how else to put it. I really do have those thoughts some times. Thank you for your post advice by the way. I think that it would have looked better and been easier to read had i written it like that.

One more question real quick. How do you know that about the good ETs beating the bad ETs and coming to help save us from the bad ones? I'm not questioning your integrity. I believe that you are being sincere. I'm just curious how you became sure that that will be the eventual outcome. Like what experience did you have that made you so sure. I just want to know because I am searching for a similar experience.

[Mozart]

One more question real quick. How do you know that about the good ETs beating the bad ETs and coming to help save us from the bad ones? I'm not questioning your integrity. I believe that you are being sincere. I'm just curious how you became sure that that will be the eventual outcome.




AIJ ~


Thank you for your sincere question and it's a perfectly reasonable one.


My certainty of the positive outcome of our world by the end of 2012 is the gestalt sum of the totality of all the information that I've received/learned to date, which has led me to not just believe, but know with a high degree of certainty that our outcome will be a very positive one.


I will list some, but not all of the factors and I'll focus on the idea of positive outcomes, as well as the ETs:


1) The Ra Material. The information in the Ra Material is so astonishingly deep, powerful and uplifting. It assures us that the outcome of the changes of our world will be very positive. It has yet to be found to have an error of any kind, despite 30 years of researchers checking it out and comparing it to the real world.

Just about every single new scientific breakthrough that has happened in the last few decades have supported the scientific information in the Ra Material.

http://www.lawofone.info/



2) David Wilcock's website, information, books and 12-year-long friendship. I've long studied Wilcock's information -- both spiritual and scientific -- and his information has always strongly trended towards positive outcomes, despite how bad things seemed to be out there in the world.

Time after time, the more positive outcomes happened, rather than the really dark, really horrible outcomes have happened ... after David had shared his views on pending events shortly before they'd happen. Wilcock's scientific information dovetails perfectly with the Ra Material, which is also Wilcock's foundation for POV of life.



3) The totality of my reading, research and exploring the realms of life, consciousness and earth changes. I once strongly believed in the idea of massive earth changes, including pole shifts, massive land-mass changes, etc, but around the year 2000, I started to shift decisively away from dark earth changes to far more positive outcomes as I started to really absorb the information from the Ra Material, Wilcock's scientific information, my own research, etc.



4) The information from the higher beings and my own Higher Self has consistently pointed towards positive futures, so I felt far better when I went in these directions, than the dark directions of fear porn.



5) Project Looking Glass -- showed consistently that Timeline One would happen, not Timeline Two. Timeline One is the one that our world would undergo a significant, massive and very positive changes for the better for the common people in the world.

Timeline Two is the dark, catastrophic changes that the dark bastards wanted, so they tried EVERYTHING to make Timeline Two happen, but despite their strong efforts to try to FORCE Timeline Two to happen, they simply could not keep it alive and were totally dismayed to see it fading away every day while the positive Timeline One got stronger every single day, like a fast-growing pot plant that was robust and very much alive.



6) And the lack of really nasty, negative events in the world. If you think that things could not be worse, you are mistaken, as things in the world could very, VERY easily be far, FAR worse ... yet, here we are, in a fairly balanced world that has a rough balance of negative and positive experiences for the world as a whole with an emphasis on the negative perceptions, yet now the pendulum is swinging strongly towards the positive end of the experiential spectrum, thus making Timeline One to become a full-blown reality for everyone on Earth, not just a privileged few.



7) ETs have come to our rescue. The calvary has arrived, thank God, as without them, we would have been cooked, completely cooked, both recently and a long time ago. The ETs are very, very active in assisting us and you'd be astonished to what degree of them assisting and directly intervening on our behalf, as well as quiet assistance over the last several centuries. But they will soon go from direct interventions to full-blown public appearances sometime this year.

The ETs have maintained a quarantine around our planet, so they are able to keep the bad guy ETs out. The vast majority of real ET UFOs out there are the good-guy ETs, not the bad guys; however, the vast majority of sighted UFOs (there's a difference between sighted UFOs and the total number of actual, real ET UFOs, understand) are those of reverse-engineered, Black-Op-built UFO craft that have been built and are flown by humans.



8) And many more reasons.



It's going to be an awesome ride once the damn dark bastard elites are defeated PUBLICLY. Once their dam of denial breaks, the tsunami of truth, facts, true information, monetary abundance, hidden free energy devices, etc, that will come flooding out will astonish the world and this will happen soon, very soon ... well before this Spring is over.


I have NO doubt whatsoever that We the People of the world will win.

[Dennis Leahy]

Allow me to piggyback on Mozart's positive outcome vision: (Message to the Financial Elite): http://www.resetbutton2012.org/MsgElite.php

Dennis

[jack]

One more question real quick. How do you know that about the good ETs beating the bad ETs and coming to help save us from the bad ones? I'm not questioning your integrity. I believe that you are being sincere. I'm just curious how you became sure that that will be the eventual outcome.




AIJ ~


Thank you for your sincere question and it's a perfectly reasonable one.


My certainty of the positive outcome of our world by the end of 2012 is the gestalt sum of the totality of all the information that I've received/learned to date, which has led me to not just believe, but know with a high degree of certainty that our outcome will be a very positive one.


I will list some, but not all of the factors and I'll focus on the idea of positive outcomes, as well as the ETs:


1) The Ra Material. The information in the Ra Material is so astonishingly deep, powerful and uplifting. It assures us that the outcome of the changes of our world will be very positive. It has yet to be found to have an error of any kind, despite 30 years of researchers checking it out and comparing it to the real world.

Just about every single new scientific breakthrough that has happened in the last few decades have supported the scientific information in the Ra Material.

http://www.lawofone.info/



2) David Wilcock's website, information, books and 12-year-long friendship. I've long studied Wilcock's information -- both spiritual and scientific -- and his information has always strongly trended towards positive outcomes, despite how bad things seemed to be out there in the world.

Time after time, the more positive outcomes happened, rather than the really dark, really horrible outcomes have happened ... after David had shared his views on pending events shortly before they'd happen. Wilcock's scientific information dovetails perfectly with the Ra Material, which is also Wilcock's foundation for POV of life.



3) The totality of my reading, research and exploring the realms of life, consciousness and earth changes. I once strongly believed in the idea of massive earth changes, including pole shifts, massive land-mass changes, etc, but around the year 2000, I started to shift decisively away from dark earth changes to far more positive outcomes as I started to really absorb the information from the Ra Material, Wilcock's scientific information, my own research, etc.



4) The information from the higher beings and my own Higher Self has consistently pointed towards positive futures, so I felt far better when I went in these directions, than the dark directions of fear porn.



5) Project Looking Glass -- showed consistently that Timeline One would happen, not Timeline Two. Timeline One is the one that our world would undergo a significant, massive and very positive changes for the better for the common people in the world.

Timeline Two is the dark, catastrophic changes that the dark bastards wanted, so they tried EVERYTHING to make Timeline Two happen, but despite their strong efforts to try to FORCE Timeline Two to happen, they simply could not keep it alive and were totally dismayed to see it fading away every day while the positive Timeline One got stronger every single day, like a fast-growing pot plant that was robust and very much alive.



6) And the lack of really nasty, negative events in the world. If you think that things could not be worse, you are mistaken, as things in the world could very, VERY easily be far, FAR worse ... yet, here we are, in a fairly balanced world that has a rough balance of negative and positive experiences for the world as a whole with an emphasis on the negative perceptions, yet now the pendulum is swinging strongly towards the positive end of the experiential spectrum, thus making Timeline One to become a full-blown reality for everyone on Earth, not just a privileged few.



7) ETs have come to our rescue. The calvary has arrived, thank God, as without them, we would have been cooked, completely cooked, both recently and a long time ago. The ETs are very, very active in assisting us and you'd be astonished to what degree of them assisting and directly intervening on our behalf, as well as quiet assistance over the last several centuries. But they will soon go from direct interventions to full-blown public appearances sometime this year.

The ETs have maintained a quarantine around our planet, so they are able to keep the bad guy ETs out. The vast majority of real ET UFOs out there are the good-guy ETs, not the bad guys; however, the vast majority of sighted UFOs (there's a difference between sighted UFOs and the total number of actual, real ET UFOs, understand) are those of reverse-engineered, Black-Op-built UFO craft that have been built and are flown by humans.



8) And many more reasons.



It's going to be an awesome ride once the damn dark bastard elites are defeated PUBLICLY. Once their dam of denial breaks, the tsunami of truth, facts, true information, monetary abundance, hidden free energy devices, etc, that will come flooding out will astonish the world and this will happen soon, very soon ... well before this Spring is over.


I have NO doubt whatsoever that We the People of the world will win.

Add to that the incredible influx of instances where human beings are awakening to their true nature and harnessing the incredible power that comes with truly knowing thyself where regardless of any level of external adversity humans in this state can no longer be controlled or affected by external negative influences. By the very laws of the universe it is impossible.

[pugwash84]

My personal belief is that God has already said what it going to happen in the end times. He has been right about a lot of things and my faith is telling me he is going to be right about this too. There is nothing I can do about it since it is going to happen anyway, I just have to make sure I am spiritually ready for when the time happens even if death comes first I want to be ready for that. I need to make sure my lantern is full for when I am picked up for the wedding feast. :)

[joedjemal]

All of the 2012 hype reminds me of all the Y2k hype but with a little more rationale behind it. It does seem like there is some ulterior motive for promoting 2012. I think it has to do with the coming change of the age via the precession of the equinox. Its time for a new religion according to those who dictate such things.

Here's a good example of what Y2k was. The other day I was cleaning out a drawer and found a "Y2K" lighter. I remember a lot of t-shirts and survival food sales prior to Y2k (2000). Its all to mess with your head. Y2k was a dry run for what ever fun and games are on the horizon.

I was on one of the teams writing software that stopped y2k happening. If nothing had been done it might well have ended badly. That was a good time to be a coder. Just before the dot com collapse, there were lots of contracts going. Hundreds of thousands of programmers worked for years on that just to make sure that when the time came only a few minor systems failed which nobody noticed. The threat was real but it was prevented from happening.

[joedjemal]

One more question real quick. How do you know that about the good ETs beating the bad ETs and coming to help save us from the bad ones? I'm not questioning your integrity. I believe that you are being sincere. I'm just curious how you became sure that that will be the eventual outcome.




AIJ ~


Thank you for your sincere question and it's a perfectly reasonable one.


My certainty of the positive outcome of our world by the end of 2012 is the gestalt sum of the totality of all the information that I've received/learned to date, which has led me to not just believe, but know with a high degree of certainty that our outcome will be a very positive one.


I will list some, but not all of the factors and I'll focus on the idea of positive outcomes, as well as the ETs:


1) The Ra Material. The information in the Ra Material is so astonishingly deep, powerful and uplifting. It assures us that the outcome of the changes of our world will be very positive. It has yet to be found to have an error of any kind, despite 30 years of researchers checking it out and comparing it to the real world.

Just about every single new scientific breakthrough that has happened in the last few decades have supported the scientific information in the Ra Material.

http://www.lawofone.info/



2) David Wilcock's website, information, books and 12-year-long friendship. I've long studied Wilcock's information -- both spiritual and scientific -- and his information has always strongly trended towards positive outcomes, despite how bad things seemed to be out there in the world.

Time after time, the more positive outcomes happened, rather than the really dark, really horrible outcomes have happened ... after David had shared his views on pending events shortly before they'd happen. Wilcock's scientific information dovetails perfectly with the Ra Material, which is also Wilcock's foundation for POV of life.



3) The totality of my reading, research and exploring the realms of life, consciousness and earth changes. I once strongly believed in the idea of massive earth changes, including pole shifts, massive land-mass changes, etc, but around the year 2000, I started to shift decisively away from dark earth changes to far more positive outcomes as I started to really absorb the information from the Ra Material, Wilcock's scientific information, my own research, etc.



4) The information from the higher beings and my own Higher Self has consistently pointed towards positive futures, so I felt far better when I went in these directions, than the dark directions of fear porn.



5) Project Looking Glass -- showed consistently that Timeline One would happen, not Timeline Two. Timeline One is the one that our world would undergo a significant, massive and very positive changes for the better for the common people in the world.

Timeline Two is the dark, catastrophic changes that the dark bastards wanted, so they tried EVERYTHING to make Timeline Two happen, but despite their strong efforts to try to FORCE Timeline Two to happen, they simply could not keep it alive and were totally dismayed to see it fading away every day while the positive Timeline One got stronger every single day, like a fast-growing pot plant that was robust and very much alive.



6) And the lack of really nasty, negative events in the world. If you think that things could not be worse, you are mistaken, as things in the world could very, VERY easily be far, FAR worse ... yet, here we are, in a fairly balanced world that has a rough balance of negative and positive experiences for the world as a whole with an emphasis on the negative perceptions, yet now the pendulum is swinging strongly towards the positive end of the experiential spectrum, thus making Timeline One to become a full-blown reality for everyone on Earth, not just a privileged few.



7) ETs have come to our rescue. The calvary has arrived, thank God, as without them, we would have been cooked, completely cooked, both recently and a long time ago. The ETs are very, very active in assisting us and you'd be astonished to what degree of them assisting and directly intervening on our behalf, as well as quiet assistance over the last several centuries. But they will soon go from direct interventions to full-blown public appearances sometime this year.

The ETs have maintained a quarantine around our planet, so they are able to keep the bad guy ETs out. The vast majority of real ET UFOs out there are the good-guy ETs, not the bad guys; however, the vast majority of sighted UFOs (there's a difference between sighted UFOs and the total number of actual, real ET UFOs, understand) are those of reverse-engineered, Black-Op-built UFO craft that have been built and are flown by humans.



8) And many more reasons.



It's going to be an awesome ride once the damn dark bastard elites are defeated PUBLICLY. Once their dam of denial breaks, the tsunami of truth, facts, true information, monetary abundance, hidden free energy devices, etc, that will come flooding out will astonish the world and this will happen soon, very soon ... well before this Spring is over.


I have NO doubt whatsoever that We the People of the world will win.

Sorry Mozart, I don't see anything there that I would consider evidence. The main reason for that being that I don't trust Wilcock as a good enough source. (Sorry if that offends you I understand you're a friend of his)

Remove him from the equation and you have little left.

1: Ra material == Wilcock

2: Wilcock

3: I'm currently watching industrial civilisation collapse, it's affecting everyone around me. Climate change is obvious even if it's manifesting more as global wierding rather than straight warming as many imagine.

4: Here we agree my own higher self says the same thing. In the long term all will be well but from that perspective any individual death or even a societal collapse or mass extinction means little. Perhaps all will be well but there's nothing saying it will be easy or painless.

5: I've yet to see anything about looking glass that I regard as evidence. Just hearsay from very few sources some of which I most emphatically do not trust because of contradictory or plain impossible other comments.

6: no really bad things? We're in the middle of the fastest mass extiction ever then there's Fukushima. I couldn't list the awful things that are going on in the world. Your presence in the society you live in shelters you from much of it for now but that won't be the case for much longer. Collapse will reach everyone living in technological civilisations before long. If you want to know what that might look like learn about the collapse of the old kingdom in Egypt. There are records from that time of people eating children.

7: How do you know this? How are they communicating with you? If you say channeled messages then I say that that cannot be a reliable medium as only one person can perceive the message. How can you possibly know its source?

8: I have yet to see one I trust and much to contradict, sorry.

[Peace of Mind]

^^These type of questions are always ignored because the answers will require a level of common sense if actual facts can't be offered. *sigh*

It's unfortunate for everyone when very few people address these very very very simple points. It's as if they are programmed to accept the info without real questioning. These are just some of the issues we have to deal with is we plan on being a prosperous specie. It saddens me to see how much we give into blind faith. Soon this new religion will cause more division amongst the people...as you can already see here.

Humans have a tendancy to follow and praise deceivers before considering or even acknowledging those offering them the smelling salt they so desperately need. Why? simply because we were programmed from birth to accept these far fetch stories. No one here has ever been in space or to the bottom of the seas.... yet they throw all of their faith in the teachings of their eneimies. The hypocracy of humanity can be seen clearly with open eyes.

Perhaps this problem with humanity is actually a disease, as it seems to be contagious. But, I can't give up on us... no matter if some of us don't realize just how much extra work they are making for those that are actually making a difference. The more I point this out the more people get offended for it...some even have the audacity to go against the very people reaching out to assist them, as if they want to stay brain washed. It's ok by me, I'll continue to fight against these deceivers with unlimited devotion because in the end all of us are still going to need each other.

The day when we all buckle down and start putting our own mits in the dirt is the day when we all start moving forward. We will only go backward believing in science fiction without evidence. Perhaps this denial is a sign of our sickness and impending demise...well at least for some of us. Hopefully this will be recognize soon so we all can start doing our parts in cleaning up our mess. Waiting for someone/thing to do it for us is a clear sign of character. We must change first before we see the changes in life we want. But admittance of our misguidance and weaknesses must happen in order for all of us to move forward accordingly.

Peace

[Mozart]

1: Ra material == Wilcock

2: Wilcock




joedjemal ~


I'm not offended that you don't trust Wilcock -- many don't and that's fine, but most people don't know him like I do.


Don't make the error that "Ra Material = Wilcock". The Ra Material was created independently of Wilcock and Wilcock did not yet find the Ra Material until, I can't recall, sometime in the 90s, I believe.


And don't lump the Ra Material together with all the other channeled sources. Yes, most channeled sources are heavily distorted, so the information from those sources cannot be trusted -- I agree. There are a few sources that are outstanding -- the Seth Material, the Abraham stuff, etc -- but, for a large part, channeled sources cannot be trusted, I agree.


However, the Ra Material is, by far, head-and-shoulders above any other channeled material out there. Look what Ra says right off the bat right at the very opening sequences of what Ra spoke:


Ra: I am Ra. I have not spoken through this instrument before. We had to wait until she was precisely tuned, as we send a narrow-band vibration. We greet you in the love and in the light of our Infinite Creator.

<snip>

The reception of our beam is a somewhat more advanced feat than some of the more broad vibration channels opened by other members for more introductory and intermediate work.

http://www.lawofone.info/


And one reason why I'm so confident in the Ra Material, like I stated, is that the Ra Material's words are exactly as Ra intended with very few distortions.


Consider that Ra has had over 1,000,000 more years of continuous conscious mental/physical/emotional/social/scientific development than we have had. Think about that. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the Ra Material was spoken exactly as intended by Ra, wouldn't you think that this intelligence would know a little something about life in our Universe? A little bit more than what we know?


Now, joedjemal, have you studied statistics? I have and I've applied statistics to the Ra Material. The channel, Carla, knows not a word, absolutely not a word, that was spoken in any session, ever. Yet, when Ra speaks through, there is a tremendous consistency of the spoken words that, when put together, creates a stunning feat of information via the spoken word that, if one were to try to do this with a million other people, virtually none of them would come through with information that's this accurate, nor consistent. Even if you tried to do this with a billion people -- same result.


Keep in mind that the Ra Material had spoken of specific scientific information that was not yet known then, but have subsequently been proven to be true today -- try to have someone go to sleep and pull that off!


And Edgar Cayce's Source -- the very same source of information that is the Ra Social Memory Complex -- had way, way more hard data over the 14,000+ readings and the accuracy of that information was proven to be 99%+. And that's a fact, a proven fact. Most of Cayce's readings were medical and healing-related information, so Cayce came through with a ton of hard data that consistently checked out, plus he came through with medical information that were not yet known to the medical community, but since then have been proven to be highly efficacious in the healing of numerous ailments.


Think about that.


So the Ra Material has a more than plausibly accuracy level of over 99%+. If one takes seriously the Cayce material and the historical accuracy of it, then one must consider the Ra Material in the same light -- especially if one takes the science of statistics seriously.




3: I'm currently watching industrial civilisation collapse, it's affecting everyone around me. Climate change is obvious even if it's manifesting more as global wierding rather than straight warming as many imagine.



Yes, absolutely, we are having a massive industrial collapse in the G5 countries, plus many other countries around the world. It's a massive collapse -- and that's according to the plan. The current debt-based, Illoonynaughty-based world needs to collapse first before we can initiate the changes that we need to move forward; however, the collapse will NOT be allowed to proceed to the point of total chaos all over the world with completely collapsed societal functions, such as getting food to the people, keeping critical infrastructure going, Internet on, etc.


No, it's not going to go that far -- I can guarantee that. This state of world-wide collapse is, like, 98% complete, so we only a bit more to go before the changes would be initiated to turn things around. You must consider that there are beings -- the Ra Social Memory Complex included -- who are heavily involved with our world and they are managing it to prevent utter, complete collapse, but to allow enough of a collapse to help the people wake the flying **** up.


Waking people the flying **** up is the purpose of the economic/social/environmental collapses that are happening now. We are in an extinction event now, yes, indeed.





5: I've yet to see anything about looking glass that I regard as evidence.




Project Looking Glass was used to engineer many things, including the manipulation of the first selection of that idiot, the Shrub, to be pushed into the White House in the year 2000. Project Looking Glass was used very successfully for many, many classified military projects, so it has proven its efficacy in predicting our futures for the military.


Do you think for a moment that the military would use the Project Looking Glass devices if it was unreliable? Hell no! Come on, man, the military developed and used that device ALL OVER THE WORLD. That right there says something.


But why did the military shut down most of their Project Looking Glass devices (by mid-2006)? Why did the ETs shut down the rest of them (by the end of 2006)? It's because Project Looking Glass consistently and persistently kept on showing to the military that our future -- our collective future of our Earth -- kept on going to the positive, Timeline One future, rather than the negative, nasty and catastrophic Timeline Two future.


Every single Project Looking Glass device in the world showed the same damn thing -- the positive Timeline One happening in our future and the negative Timeline Two fading away to a wimpy, little alternative reality. The military absolutely hated that and they tried their damnest to effect the nasty, catastrophic Timeline Two to happen ... they just couldn't pull it off, despite being the biggest, most organized and well-funded organization in the world.


That's an established fact. Accept it, or not. Your choice.


I've chosen to accept this because of the reliable testimony of certain people, like Dan Burisch, who have worked closely with this device and found, way back in the mid-80s, that the Timeline One was going to be the dominant reality for our Earth by the time 2012 closes.





7: How do you know this? How are they communicating with you? If you say channeled messages then I say that that cannot be a reliable medium as only one person can perceive the message. How can you possibly know its source?




The ETs are not communicating with me. My knowingness is an internal one, an unshakable one that is based on my own internal, gut sense and on the multitude of ET-based information, information from the Black Ops in the military, on the Ra Material, on Wilcock and many other sources.


I have no doubt whatsoever that we will have a fantastic turnaround this year, that we will be able to defeat the damn dark elites, that we will soon have open contact with the ETs, that we will have dramatic financial relief for the whole world and that we will soon initiate massive environmental remediation programs worldwide.


Doubt all you want, if you choose to do so, but I have no doubt of our soon-to-be-manifest positive outcomes.

[YvonneG]

Your words are well received here. I used to doubt Wilcock a long time ago because it seemed like to much about ETs etc. Not that I don't think there are ETs. But I have come to respect him. And when I saw him in a conference with a dear friend of mine, Dr. Brian O'Leary, it helped me open my mind a bit more. And in the last months with all the work this man has done, he deserves our respect and appreciation, whether or not we agree with him.

:cool:

[Mozart]

I was on one of the teams writing software that stopped y2k happening. If nothing had been done it might well have ended badly. That was a good time to be a coder.




No kidding, joedjemal? Way cool.


Well, you deserve a big THANK YOU for your part in helping to stop the Y2K collapses from happening.


:first: :clap2:


~Mozart

[YvonneG]

Evolutionary Biologist Elizabet Sahtouris who was on Thrive agrees that there is a positive outcome and it is happening right now. Listening to her on youtube should add well to this wonderful thread. I will post some later when I have more time.

I like her "views" which are majorly based on biology and seeing our Planet as a living planet. She is also quite a spiritual lady.

[Cilka]

If nothing happens then humans will come up with a different date, like March 13 2013. That sounds like an armageddon date.

It's funny, how many times have we been told that TIME does not exist, TIME IS ILLUSION, and we still don't get it. Maybe we never will, as long as we are humans living in 3D reality.

[joedjemal]

I was on one of the teams writing software that stopped y2k happening. If nothing had been done it might well have ended badly. That was a good time to be a coder.




No kidding, joedjemal? Way cool.


Well, you deserve a big THANK YOU for your part in helping to stop the Y2K collapses from happening.


:first: :clap2:


~Mozart

*Grin* I'm trying to do the same thing again, this time in Permaculture. I'm working on my diploma in applied Permaculture with a focus on large scale systems. You know, I really hope you're right Mozart. If I thought there was no hope at all I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing but to make any real difference we need a budget of billions and permission to use all unused land around towns and cities. We need to set up thousands of nurseries just in the UK to grow the plants and seeds we need to create the systems and to train the people in how to do it and it has to happen immediately if we're to have a chance at mitigating the famine. I so badly want what you say to be true and there is my spiritual side telling me I'm doing the right thing. I just long so much for harder information than channeled material and hearsay. We're out of time.