The Saga of Dr. Pete Peterson

[Dale]

Hello, all. This is my first post, so let's try not to be too critical. I'm still trying to figure this all out. :confused:

Anyway, one of my favourite Project Camelot interviews was with Dr. Pete Peterson. He had quite the whistle-blower testimony in just about every field out there. And he seemed to understand it all pretty well, also.

But, I'm when I tried to do research on this guy, I came up with almost nothing. A lot of other people on some internet forums were having the same problem, so they ended up calling him a complete hoax. I like to do a little research, and I was able to find a few things.

I did find that:

-He was on the board of directors for a company called MediaG3. His biography on the company's website not only featured his picture, but also a list of accomplishments he had already claimed to on the Project Camelot interview.

-I did, however, check the website again today, and there is no longer any information on it whatsoever that he worked there. Some of it is still available via a news-bit here.

http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/MediaG3-Welcomes-Dr-Pete-Peterson-Software-Development-Pioneer-Accomplished-Engineer-1171541.htm

So, if Dr. Peterson is a hoax, he must be a darn good one.

But I did run into a few bits of conflicting information.

-The name "CyberDyne," a firm allegedly started by Peterson, is also the same name as the company in The Terminator films. Maybe this isn't conflicting if there was a definitive way to prove which one came first.

-Upon trying to order the "Peterson device" described in the video, I was sent a message from Project Camelot saying the device was unavailable from Peterson. Also, he was a "no show" at the conference sponsored by Project Camelot last year. Maybe there are very logical explanations for these occurrences, but I do find them slightly strange.

As of now, I think there is something to this Peterson guy, but, it's hard to tell exactly what it is. I wasn't there to interview him, so I do not know the whole story.

If anyone has any clues to this puzzle, I'd like to hear them. This was such an interesting interview, I'd certainly be bummed to find out that this guy was a complete hoax. :p

[John Parslow]

Hello The-cipher-replied

I have watched the Project Camelot interview with Dr. Pete Peterson several times and my impression is that he came across as a sincere and genuine chap, if he is who he says he is, then perhaps the 'Heat is On' and he has decided to do a runner before he has an 'accident' like other's before and since!

Thank you for an interesting thread.

Love and peace and welcome. JP :cool:

[paul1972]

my two cents on Dr. Peterson:

I found the possible device Dr. Pete Peterson was talking about in the Camelot interview.

( part 2 starting around 6 minutes into it)

It's a so called "Computerized ElectroDermal Screening" device or Dermatron.

Check out the timeline mentioned on this page: http://cedscreening.ca/history.html

... in 1978 Floyd Weston gives Mr. P. Peterson and Mr. J. H. Clark the second Dermatron in the U.S. and asks for it to be computerized.

[Wood]

I remember him talking about ratfish liver oil. I have just started taking it to check if the 'decalcification of the pineal gland' works at all. Any feedback on that?

[Dale]

It's a so called "Computerized ElectroDermal Screening" device or Dermatron.

It's very possible this is the same Dr. Peterson from Camelot, as well as the medical device he designed. I do know the device, very possibly one of many devices, is called the Acupath-1000, as noted in the news-bit.


I remember him talking about ratfish liver oil. I have just started taking it to check if the 'decalcification of the pineal gland' works at all. Any feedback on that?

There are a few websites that sprang up following the Peterson interview selling "ratfish oil." I'm not sure if any of them have the real deal or not, but Peterson did seem very sure ratfish oil de-calcifies the Pineal Gland. I'd be willing to try it! I haven't heard from anyone else about it yet, but the Weston Price Foundation does have a lot to say about "Activator X," the main component, as described by Peterson, in ratfish oil.

[Caren]

Hello The_cipher_replied,
Thank you for starting this thread and 'Welcome' to the forum. I was thinking about Dr. Peterson just today, and am wondering if there is any new information or updates? Like many others here, I especially enjoyed this interview.

[Fredkc]

Side note:
There was much confusion when his interview 1st came out. It seems there are other Dr. Pete Petersons (infact, several) who have a "web presence".

Just a heads up. Before you post stuff thinking "I found 'it!", make sure you've found him. ;)

Fred

[Caren]

Hi Fred,
I noticed that too.

[norman]

Seems we all took different snippets of knowledge away from watching that store house of an interview with Dr Peterson. My top snippet was the idea that the chemicals in our water supply is the real reason behind cholesterol clogged blood vessels. He so matter-of-factly splurged a wealth of information that seems to have passed straight though a lot of peoples lie filters and rung our truth bells.

As I understand it, he tried to 'clear' his Project Camelot interview with his err.... "work mates" but couldn't get a response from them. Perhaps he finally did get a response and it wasn't favourable.

[tone3jaguar]

I think he is half what he says he is and half not.

[Dale]

There was much confusion when his interview 1st came out. It seems there are other Dr. Pete Petersons (infact, several) who have a "web presence".

Agreed. There are a good plenty of Dr. Pete Petersons out there. There's even a Dr. Pete Peterson at Los Alamos, where Camelot's Dr. Peterson talked about working at. The only trace I could verify of Camelot's Dr. Peterson is from the original update on MediaG3's website, largely because his picture was included in the article.




I was, also, able to verify the existence of the Russian Astronautical Association for Mankind that Camelot's Dr. Peterson served on. Well, it's certainly not Russia's version of NASA, but it does exist. Most people trying to get to the bottom of this interview Google searched for the organization and came back with nothing, leading them to again think Dr. Peterson was a hoax. A scientist by the name of Dr. V. Vernon Woolf made an appearance there in the 1990's, and listed the organization on his website here:

http://www.holodynamics.com/vita.html

Such an interesting interview!

[nomadguy]

http://chubarama.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/dvd21.png
- I do not think this is the same man that I saw on the Project Camelot presentation. One could study the face-biometrics if ya wanted to verify this.

[Bill Ryan]

Hello, all. This is my first post, so let's try not to be too critical. I'm still trying to figure this all out. :confused:

Anyway, one of my favourite Project Camelot interviews was with Dr. Pete Peterson. He had quite the whistle-blower testimony in just about every field out there. And he seemed to understand it all pretty well, also.

But, I'm when I tried to do research on this guy, I came up with almost nothing. A lot of other people on some internet forums were having the same problem, so they ended up calling him a complete hoax. I like to do a little research, and I was able to find a few things.

I did find that:

-He was on the board of directors for a company called MediaG3. His biography on the company's website not only featured his picture, but also a list of accomplishments he had already claimed to on the Project Camelot interview.

-I did, however, check the website again today, and there is no longer any information on it whatsoever that he worked there. Some of it is still available via a news-bit here.

http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/MediaG3-Welcomes-Dr-Pete-Peterson-Software-Development-Pioneer-Accomplished-Engineer-1171541.htm

So, if Dr. Peterson is a hoax, he must be a darn good one.

But I did run into a few bits of conflicting information.

-The name "CyberDyne," a firm allegedly started by Peterson, is also the same name as the company in The Terminator films. Maybe this isn't conflicting if there was a definitive way to prove which one came first.

-Upon trying to order the "Peterson device" described in the video, I was sent a message from Project Camelot saying the device was unavailable from Peterson. Also, he was a "no show" at the conference sponsored by Project Camelot last year. Maybe there are very logical explanations for these occurrences, but I do find them slightly strange.

As of now, I think there is something to this Peterson guy, but, it's hard to tell exactly what it is. I wasn't there to interview him, so I do not know the whole story.

If anyone has any clues to this puzzle, I'd like to hear them. This was such an interesting interview, I'd certainly be bummed to find out that this guy was a complete hoax. :p

Hi, Folks:

(reading this at 4 am in LA - jetlag! Going to try to get back to sleep in a moment...)

Yes, this is the same man. Definitely real and no hoax. CyberDyne was Peterson's company. That's where the Terminator movies borrowed the name from - he told us.

From the transcript:

http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/dr_pete_peterson_part_3_kerry_cassidy_en.html


KC: So let’s fast-forward to a lot more recently, or at least, may be not even recently. I don’t know when it is you got really involved in AI and you started to...

PP: Well, first I got involved in computers. In 1975, ’76 we built a computer that was used in Tokyo at the airport to announce the plane flights in a number of different languages. It was the first use I know of a microprocessor chip in a real product.

Then later we built a computer training device to teach people how to use microprocessors and how to use software to accomplish various tasks. We built that at a little computer company whose name was Cyberdyne, and one of the people who worked for us later worked on Terminator whatever-it-was.

KC: Well that was my next question. [Pete laughs] So, I’m not sure how you want to answer this, but the movie, Terminator, is not so far off base. Am I right?

PP: No, it’s not so far off base at all. Once we got those working – and it’s interesting to note that the computer chip we used in the 1970s, there are more of those produced monthly than all the Intel chips produced in a year, even today. Because it’s a chip that was actually designed like a computer, whereas the Intel chips are not designed like computers.

Here are some snapshots... we've not published these before.

Very best to all, Bill

http://projectavalon.net/Pete_Peterson_group_shot_1_sm.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Pete_Peterson_group_shot_2_sm.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Pete_Peterson_group_shot_4_sm.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Pete_Peterson_group_shot_5_sm.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Pete_Peterson_group_shot_7_sm.jpg

[Celine]

hmm wow..

so did he "inspire" skynet canada as well??

lol...we are living out a movie script arent we...

can we get an intermission please? i need more popcorn...sigh

[Bill Ryan]

As I understand it, he tried to 'clear' his Project Camelot interview with his err.... "work mates" but couldn't get a response from them. Perhaps he finally did get a response and it wasn't favourable.

This is exactly what happened. He tried to get clearance, and did NOT get the clearance he wanted.

Meanwhile, we'd painted ourselves into a corner by describing the interview contents and promising we'd release it soon. We waited and waited for Pete Peterson's okay. It never came.

In the end we had an e-mail dialog which was published on the Camelot blog at the time. He stressed that he was trying to get clearance not to protect HIM, but to protect US.

We told him that we'd be willing to take that risk, and published it anyway.

Several months later, look at what happened to Project Camelot.

Note, however, that this was one of several concurrent factors: we upset a lot of people in the second half of 2009, including:

whichever group was behind Dan Burisch.
whichever group was behind Steven Greer.
whichever group was behind the Mars colony that Henry Deacon came out to speak about in Barcelona.
the Church of Scientology (as a result of the Dane Tops interview - although that was not published till November).

By August 2009 someone had made the decision that we were going too far. Marci McDowell turned face and abruptly started to attack us viciously and continually. Henry Deacon disappeared and refused to have anything more to do with us. And various things happened at the end of the year, quite well-documented in bits and pieces elsewhere, as a result of which Kerry and I found we were no longer able to work together.

[Dale]

Hey, thanks for the reply, Bill. Definitely answers a lot of questions about, in my opinion, one of the most interesting Camelot interviews.

It sure sounds like the release of the Peterson interview upset a few of the controlling factors, but that can only mean one thing :shocked:

[Fredkc]

reading this at 4 am in LA - jetlag!

Dood! Da only folk out here up at 4, is either still up or surfers!
Oh wait... its Saturday.
Like... nevermind!

[unplugged]

. . .We told him that we'd be willing to take that risk, and published it anyway.

Several months later, look at what happened to Project Camelot.

Note, however, that this was one of several concurrent factors: we upset a lot of people in the second half of 2009, including:

whichever group was behind Dan Burisch.
whichever group was behind Steven Greer.
whichever group was behind the Mars colony that Henry Deacon came out to speak about in Barcelona.
the Church of Scientology (as a result of the Dane Tops interview - although that was not published till November).


The primary name that jumps out of this list is Burisch. His glowing agenda in favor of vaccines was upended quite decisively by PC. Things seemed to turn a bit haywire after that. Though friends probably weren't earned with the Greer interview it was hard-hitting and solid. The main critique seemed to be that Kerry wasn't giving Greer a chance to answer. My take was he continually interrupted everyone and seemed rather combative himself. The scientology thing may have played a role though they're savvy enough to know that the easiest way to reduce heat (and interest) is to let something die without fanning the flames.

So, IMO, publication of Pete's interview may have played a role in unfavorable energy manipulation but I believe these other forces provided the tipping point for what ultimately transpired.

[nomadguy]

thanks Bill! - I feel it is good to be sure.

[Agape]

Several months later, look at what happened to Project Camelot.

Note, however, that this was one of several concurrent factors: we upset a lot of people in the second half of 2009, including:

whichever group was behind Dan Burisch.
whichever group was behind Steven Greer.
whichever group was behind the Mars colony that Henry Deacon came out to speak about in Barcelona.
the Church of Scientology (as a result of the Dane Tops interview - although that was not published till November).

By August 2009 someone had made the decision that we were going too far. Marci McDowell turned face and abruptly started to attack us viciously and continually. Henry Deacon disappeared and refused to have anything more to do with us. And various things happened at the end of the year, quite well-documented in bits and pieces elsewhere, as a result of which Kerry and I found we were no longer able to work together.


The number of people you have interviewed and sensitive agendas you have touched ..

each one of them could pose potential risk but an isolated 'agenda' is not difficult to control and handle, while again, an isolated 'agenda' does not make a sense usually,

you've taken a big load upon your shoulders , it was clear to everyone out of the loop.

We may still congratullate both you and Kerry not only for you've done but for being able to continue forwards with the same enthusiasm and without despair.


I may have my own opinion on legacy of several 'whistleblowers' whose testimonies apparently never match each others in detail , except when they want it to match ( or have a 'prophetic vision' ),
but I admire those people for work they do and words they got out rather than for they don't know.

I have not noticed Dr Pete Peterson would say something really new but that's my view and there it should end.


There are things that should be better discussed behind the curtains for everyones safeties sake .


Thanks for all you had done ..


:wub:

[fifi]

The interviews from Project Camelot were really an eye-opener for me, when I knew about Project Camelot for the first time. It happened by chance. I first heard about the name Richard Hoagland when reading the book "The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life" by Drunvalo Melchizedek, so I search the internet and found an interview of Richard Hoagland by Project Camelot. It led me to another interview of Bob Dean by PC, then to the Project Camelot website, where I started to read/listen to other interviews. I am deeply grateful to and admire Bill's and Kerry's courage for trying to bring us the truth despite the risk to their own lives. I cannot thank you enough.

I felt very sad when Kerry & Bill went different ways, and I always doubt that the PTB has a hand in this. May God bless and protect you, Bill & Kerry. You are very much loved and admired.

[nomadguy]

I found Dr. Pete's presentation to be ~ a riveting discussion! Truly Exciting stuff!
Even though this particular realm of sciences, could be seen as rather dry, this one had me on the edge of my seat.

Anywho...
here is a question:
is it possible that "Dowsing" is a relative to the technology described with the diagnosis pen?

- a thought comes to mind: Static Electrical Energy ~ a negative vortex could cause a conduit to rotated anticlockwise - a positive vortex could cause a conduit to rotate clockwise ~ Paul Laviolette's research - I my opinion, seems relevant.

[mgray]

Bill,
Hope you stop by this chat again. The Peterson interview was one of my favorites on PC. He had concrete examples of events or products and his revelation on that topic.

I remember during the run up to releasing the interview I recall either Kerry or yourself saying there was many hours of video that could not be released and the reason for not releasing was to guard PCs safety. Given your thoughts above about the PC drama, which occurred after the Peterson release, would it not be a good idea to release the edited material?

PS, I am still seeking the metal filing product Peterson said he sold for finger manipulation and yes I still take the ratfish oil. I have not been sick since taking it. Not sure if that proves anything. But I have put two drops of it in stagnant water and it does purify it.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill,
Hope you stop by this chat again. The Peterson interview was one of my favorites on PC. He had concrete examples of events or products and his revelation on that topic.

I remember during the run up to releasing the interview I recall either Kerry or yourself saying there was many hours of video that could not be released and the reason for not releasing was to guard PCs safety. Given your thoughts above about the PC drama, which occurred after the Peterson release, would it not be a good idea to release the edited material?

PS, I am still seeking the metal filing product Peterson said he sold for finger manipulation and yes I still take the ratfish oil. I have not been sick since taking it. Not sure if that proves anything. But I have put two drops of it in stagnant water and it does purify it.

Nearly right! We have 12 hours of off-record AUDIO. All the video was published.

The audio contains some pretty interesting stuff. Some of it we've kinda gradually leaked out a little with references at conferences, or generally hinted at in other conversations, but there's a real treasure trove of tidbits in there... some of which really blew our minds. We were told very clearly by Pete it was off-record.

I really should trawl through that and create a compendium of information - the Peterson Files (as it were). Like the last Peter Sellers Pink Panther movie which they created from all the outtakes from the earlier films!

For those of you who (e.g.) have been posting on this thread, I can see that it would be fascinating - and it might be. The 12 hours has been fully transcribed and so in theory it would not be too hard to do. It'd be pretty rough... but it would add a lot of value to those who already know that the guy is for real. Skeptics would not bother to read it.

While I've sort of talked my way into this while writing :) - this isn't going to happen anytime soon: I have too much on my plate. It DOES need to be read through very carefully to edit out the bits and pieces that we know we definitely don't have his okay to publish. But I do appreciate the prompt, and all the interest.

[Helvetic]

By the way, Im still interested in that tool for the fingers. Is this somewhere available?

[mgray]

Thank you for your response. Sorry for the confusion over transcript vs video. As a journalist I am fully aware of "off the record." It is info that cannot be attributed to anyone directly. However should some info is released on background (on the order of a scene setter for things that may be to come), which is only from a person with inside knowledge and it is left at that, well some of us could deduct from whence it came. ;>

[Dale]

Nearly right! We have 12 hours of off-record AUDIO. All the video was published.

That would certainly make for a very interesting "update" for all of us interested in the Dr. Peterson interview. Like I said earlier, the Dr. Peterson interview is one of my favorite Project Camelot moments... Maybe a close second to the "Henry Deacon" saga. Thanks, Bill, for all of your work with releasing the Peterson material and interviewing quite the "Dr. Who" of sorts.

One of the most intriguing parts of the Peterson interview, in my opinion, was when he mentioned that mind control only worked on 85% of the population, and that the remaining 15% were able to remain unaffected because of their genetics. I think that the 15% are different than the larger group not due to "alien genetics," as some have stated following the interview, but rather due to a personal sense of control over their own physical and mental well-being. Think epigenetics, and the work of Dr. Bruce Lipton. I believe that anyone can reach this "state," regardless of their genetic make-up, simply because consciousness has a profound effect on genetics. I'm certainly not saying it is an easy task. Again, maybe I'm just more inclined to think of the science of "epigenetics" rather than "exo-genetics."

Just a thought. :p

[conk]

My alternative doctor uses Electrodermal Screening (EDS). She is able to spot hidden fungi, molds, etc.

Dr. Bruce West maintains that unprocessed raw butter contains Activator X, which is immensely powerful as a nutrient. As you all know, raw butter is very hard to find.

[nomadguy]

"That's where the Terminator movies borrowed the name from", hmm I cannot believe I skipped over this from above, that is a very interesting factoid.
Cheers
C...

[Luke]

(...)
One of the most intriguing parts of the Peterson interview, in my opinion, was when he mentioned that mind control only worked on 85% of the population, and that the remaining 15% were able to remain unaffected because of their genetics. I think that the 15% are different than the larger group not due to "alien genetics," as some have stated following the interview, but rather due to a personal sense of control over their own physical and mental well-being. (...)
My guess would be in our definition of "alien" genes. Think we should start to consider "alien" to be "not adhering to norm" instead of "extraterrestrial".
Code is for form and function, and that changes. This is how ecosystem adopts to changing conditions, among other things.
To think that "different" genetics must be off-planet means being stuck in freeze-materialistic view, in which "statistical average" is "only acceptable truth". Stuff changes, but not uniformly.
Would be fun to know it precisely works :)

[jeannacav]

I think the device is the thing called Amega wand... or some such name. It is about 500 bucks.
It is MLMarketed, and the 'power' comes from 'ZPE' without any back-up science, just the proclamation. (Kind of the way PP put it too.)
Before it went MLM, it was seen at whole life conferences, and it is still sold in tupperware style parties.
People rave about it and it is shaped like a ball point pen. It is made in Singapore... etc.

If you can't find a link, I will try to find it and post it.
I am quite sure it is the thing.
It also came out late last fall or early winter/09.

jeanna

[Hiram]

I think a limited and somewhat sanitized (by you) release of some of the off-the-record stuff would be both interesting and helpful.

For those of us who scan the minutia...the little references and ways of saying things...which help us to form links and connections in or own minds and thereby further describe the bigger picture...the tid-bits would be a treasure trove.

Bill, I have a direct question for you if you have the chance to read this. Without directly revealing the stuff that "blew" your mind; From talking Pete Peterson and Henry Deacon, are there things they told you "off-the-record", just during normal conversation, say while riding in a car, that changed the way you look at things--or the way you no conduct yourself or business?

Are there things we are all getting wrong? Even those of us who are hip to these sorts of things? Is there peripheral information that you can communicate about the off-the-record stuff which would help us to grok this stuff ourselves?

For instance, say you came out and said: There were members of congress that were not human (and say Dr. Peterson said that was off the record....would you really be in any real danger for something that NO ONE in the mainstream media would ever believe was true anyway??

I mean to say, if something is so sensational, aren't you by proxy--protected by that very sensationalism? Its like the flouride in the water issue.

Thanks for commenting on this issue Bill!!

[Moemers]

What does one mean when they say "whichever group was behind Dan Burisch/Steven Greer/Colony on Mars"?

[nomadguy]

seems this post went off track a little, maybe you could repeat that question on the Bill's movements page or something like that,
seems heavily critical In My Opinion, and it does n0t seem to be productive to me to ask such questions in this forum.
~ A lot of time and energy goes into meeting with people and doing an interview, especially if it is a whistleblower interview.
Then the people involved with the interview have to decide what is "ok" to publish. You couldn't possibly guess it. And if there is any threat at all
~ to any one WB, everyone should offer respect to their authority to release or reject any of the info.

So in hopes to recharge this post,

>>> Does anyone have a testimonial for the rat fish oil?

[Carmody]

I found Dr. Pete's presentation to be ~ a riveting discussion! Truly Exciting stuff!
Even though this particular realm of sciences, could be seen as rather dry, this one had me on the edge of my seat.

Anywho...
here is a question:
is it possible that "Dowsing" is a relative to the technology described with the diagnosis pen?

- a thought comes to mind: Static Electrical Energy ~ a negative vortex could cause a conduit to rotated anticlockwise - a positive vortex could cause a conduit to rotate clockwise ~ Paul Laviolette's research - I my opinion, seems relevant.

An interesting thought that plays into this....about 'water', is that in Michael Bodine's book "Growing Up Psychic", He mentions, and in that moment reminds me - of the situation and effect...of when spirits are present, in force, there is water involved. What it was, in the book, was a case of where they were investigating a powerful haunting and when they entered a room with a powerful spiritual force that was haunting a house (a group of three 'family' spirits locked in a loop), they encountered a small puddle of water where (the specific location) the one given spirit was prevalent in it's presence.

This supports, if one skips forward in the logic loop..oddly enough.. the theory of an 'expanding earth'. This is the subject of a large article in the current issue of Nexus Magazine. What is meant by that, is the idea of additive spirit energies creating mass and material itself. This is my personal addition as a bizarre seeming possibility in the reasoning, in the multi-dimensional sense, of explaining the potential origins of the expanding earth as the solving of that as an enigmatic puzzle.

I'd get into the time I visited a closed mental asylum that we were scouting out for a recent Horror film, but that is a story for a different day. The place had been closed for well over a decade, but the pain and the smell of the drugs, and the insanity - was still pouring out of the walls.

Edit: OF COURSE, the 'bizarre usual' ---was exactly true. The Asylum had actually been built on an ancient American Native Burial Ground and Holy Site.

[nomadguy]

indeed, that is a lot of coincidence and I don't believe in them much.
"there is water involved" that is so true! Many ghostly cases suggest this. ectoplasm accounts included.
Expanding earth, you say? water transmutates energy? or water is an in-between carrier of energy? ponderous
~ "like a growing turtle shell"

[frank samuel]

The Pete Peterson interview has been my all time favorite. As a researcher and amateur inventor at heart that I am there's a lot of gems to be found in the interview. Beyond being critical is always good to research and if possible do your own experiments, besides being fun, it will open your world to new and exciting possibilities.

Many many blessings to all.:thumb:

[Arpheus]

This series of interviews is without a doubt one of the best bill and kerry have ever done,very very interesting stuff,and i'd be interested on the whole ratfish liver oil/skater liver oil thing,curious to know how effective that can be in fixing up the pineal gland.

[Hiram]

seems this post went off track a little, maybe you could repeat that question on the Bill's movements page or something like that,
seems heavily critical In My Opinion, and it does n0t seem to be productive to me to ask such questions in this forum.
~ A lot of time and energy goes into meeting with people and doing an interview, especially if it is a whistleblower interview.
Then the people involved with the interview have to decide what is "ok" to publish. You couldn't possibly guess it. And if there is any threat at all
~ to any one WB, everyone should offer respect to their authority to release or reject any of the info.

So in hopes to recharge this post,

>>> Does anyone have a testimonial for the rat fish oil?

I think you make a good point NoMad guy, and I wasn't specifically asking anyone to disclose information that someone asked specifically not to be released.

I think that this thread was about Pete Peterson the man, as well as characteristics about his interview, and not only specifically about Dr. Peterson's health inventions, though I think those are fair game for discussion.

With that being said, Bill had stated many times that there was literally hours and hours of off-the-record discussions with this witness that had been discussed, but that at that time he was unable to discuss these publicly by request from the witness.

I think seeing as it has been such a long time since this interview was done, and that fact that some of the off-the-record information may have been date-sensitive, and its a good possibility those dates have now passed, its fair and reasonable for us to ask if there is any information that can be revisited.

I think the fact that so much was discussed between Bill and Kerry and David and Dr. Peterson that cannot be disclosed publicly, is great fodder for discussion in and of itself. When you consider what actually was disclosed, it really makes you wonder.

What does everyone make of the fact that Pete Peterson was so very adamant about not letting the conversation head into the topic of Mk-Ultra or Mind Control? He very directly shut that topic down at a couple of points during the interview.

He even warned Kerry about "receiving a visit" if she pursued the issue.

Whats going on with Mind Control that is so sensitive one has to ask? Is the program(s) an active one? If so, should we be taking this issue very seriously?

Bill has also hinted a number of times that discussing individuals within our congress or government that may or may not be human..is one of the most dangerous things one can do. That this can basically put your life directly in jeapordy.

Sometimes it is what a person doesn't say that reveals more than what they do say.

[witchy1]

Hi all, I have just finished watching Vid 3 in the series. What a wonderful man.

Would any know what the little devices are that protect the mind from external electro magnetic energy or microwaves??? at 28.04 min. I am probably dreaming that we mere mortals could purchase such a thing I might add. ( Im thinking this maybe the strange ringing in the ears that many are experiencing)

OfIlUMS_Q3g

When talking about the ratfish oil - he says thats not the name of it. Has anyone confirmed this is really the substance he speaks of. I guess I could just get the wheat germ oil that he says works, its just not as concentrated. Ive tried looking up the chemical compounds of wg oil, and comparing it to ratfish oil.....so difficult with all the net censoring going on. I dont think the compound comes in plant form either (or he would have cited it) so thats Vit adeb1,2,3,6 and F gone. I dont think its omega 3 or 6 nor oleic or palmitic acid. Any ideas on this one.

Thanks in anticaption

[Swami]

RatFish Oil - Chimaera Monstrosa Linnaeus NOW AVAILIBLE

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1967-RatFish-Oil-Chimaera-Monstrosa-Linnaeus-NOW-AVAILIBLE-Dr-Peterson&highlight=ratfish+oil

I heard this stuff is also very good to use:

Krill Oil

http://altmedicine.about.com/od/herbsupplementguide/a/krilloil.htm

Anybody has more info or experience with that...?

[Bill Ryan]

I think you make a good point NoMad guy, and I wasn't specifically asking anyone to disclose information that someone asked specifically not to be released.

I think that this thread was about Pete Peterson the man, as well as characteristics about his interview, and not only specifically about Dr. Peterson's health inventions, though I think those are fair game for discussion.

With that being said, Bill had stated many times that there was literally hours and hours of off-the-record discussions with this witness that had been discussed, but that at that time he was unable to discuss these publicly by request from the witness.

I think seeing as it has been such a long time since this interview was done, and that fact that some of the off-the-record information may have been date-sensitive, and its a good possibility those dates have now passed, its fair and reasonable for us to ask if there is any information that can be revisited.

I think the fact that so much was discussed between Bill and Kerry and David and Dr. Peterson that cannot be disclosed publicly, is great fodder for discussion in and of itself. When you consider what actually was disclosed, it really makes you wonder.

What does everyone make of the fact that Pete Peterson was so very adamant about not letting the conversation head into the topic of Mk-Ultra or Mind Control? He very directly shut that topic down at a couple of points during the interview.

He even warned Kerry about "receiving a visit" if she pursued the issue.

Whats going on with Mind Control that is so sensitive one has to ask? Is the program(s) an active one? If so, should we be taking this issue very seriously?

Bill has also hinted a number of times that discussing individuals within our congress or government that may or may not be human..is one of the most dangerous things one can do. That this can basically put your life directly in jeapordy.

Sometimes it is what a person doesn't say that reveals more than what they do say.

I can confirm this!

[For those of you with deft minds, I hope that you can appreciate the humor implicit in my reply.]

[Dragonfly]

http://altmedicine.about.com/od/herbsupplementguide/a/krilloil.htm

Anybody has more info or experience with that...?[/QUOTE]

Hi Swami, I am using Krill Oil since two months on recommendation of a close friend. I must admit that I was skeptic, but my curiosity won in the end.
To my experiences with Krill: I am not a "morning person", this fact has a lot to do with my very lame metabolism. Three days after taking the Krill Oil for the first time, my problems to get awake in the mornings have been drastically ameliorated. Secondly my bones are not hurting anymore when I got out of my bed. I can feel my body is much more "elastic" at the moment.
I assume the impact for each individual is different - to find out if Krill Oil is good for your body or not - I would simply apply the trial & error method:-).

Kind regards,
Dragonfly

[witchy1]

Bill, if you are reading this, can I ask you personally (from an completely unbiased perspective) if you were to take a particular fish oil - what would be your preference????

[Bill Ryan]

Bill, if you are reading this, can I ask you personally (from an completely unbiased perspective) if you were to take a particular fish oil - what would be your preference????

Thanks for the question. Personally, I usually take a high quality Omega 3 supplement (between 1g - 3g per day: it helps to metabolize D3, which I also take at 5,000 IU approx. every other day).

When I can, I also eat oily fish (trout and especially salmon - as long as it's not farmed).

As far as I understand, Pete Peterson was talking about Ratfish Oil... but I've never used it, so can't comment from personal experience.

As a final note, I appreciated Dragonfly's personal report above (post #43) about Krill Oil. I know Dragonfly (who, although not a native English speaker, is very smart and aware) - so do listen up to whatever she says :)

[lightblue]

As a final note, I appreciated Dragonfly's personal report above (post #43) about Krill Oil. I know Dragonfly (who, although not a native English speaker, is very smart and aware) - so do listen up to whatever she says


bill, bill this is an awkward remark...

far from offended, just curious why you said that...

my self worth is unshaken ...i'm a happy non native speaker to more than english...best wishes :yu: l


.

[Bill Ryan]

As a final note, I appreciated Dragonfly's personal report above (post #43) about Krill Oil. I know Dragonfly (who, although not a native English speaker, is very smart and aware) - so do listen up to whatever she says bill, bill this is an awkward remark...

far from offended, just curious why you said that...

my self worth is unshaken ...i'm a happy non native speaker to more than english...best wishes :yu: l

Apologies! Yes, it was pretty badly put. I usually do a little better than that. :)

Here's what I was really trying to say:

I know a number of non-English speakers who are members of the forum, and some of them are concerned that their imperfect command of the English language might be mistaken for them not being as intelligent as they are.

I know for a fact that some of them do not make long or complex posts, because they're a little worried about how they may come over.

One person I know very well spends a LONG time on each post they make... sometimes half an hour or more for two or three paragraphs, because they so badly want to get it right, and are concerned that they will be judged for their English.

So I'm really just saying that someone like Dragonfly (and this will embarrass her, but I don't mind! :) ), if she was able to post in her native German, would be knocking our socks off with her intelligence, knowledge and experience. But as it is, we get a very slimmed-down version... for reasons I totally understand but also wanted to share.

I hope this makes more sense. Many of you know that I do everything I can for Avalon to be a truly international community, and I absolutely welcome people here from every language and culture - this is so important.

[Dragonfly]

Lucky me - nobody can see me blushing darkred now - thank you Bill for the compliments! :o

[lightblue]

ok, i let you off :wink:.i thought there may be a particular reason...



So I'm really just saying that someone like Dragonfly (and this will embarrass her, but I don't mind! ), if she was able to post in her native German, would be knocking our socks off with her intelligence, knowledge and experience. But as it is, we get a very slimmed-down version... for reasons I totally understand but also wanted to share.

although, native or non native i think people always manage to put accross what they want ..true, they may take a little longer.. this is a welcoming community and i've not noticed non-native english was ever judged other than affirmatively...

a very happy non native :) l

.

[Wood]

When talking about the ratfish oil - he says thats not the name of it. Has anyone confirmed this is really the substance he speaks of. I guess I could just get the wheat germ oil that he says works, its just not as concentrated. Ive tried looking up the chemical compounds of wg oil, and comparing it to ratfish oil.....so difficult with all the net censoring going on. I dont think the compound comes in plant form either (or he would have cited it) so thats Vit adeb1,2,3,6 and F gone. I dont think its omega 3 or 6 nor oleic or palmitic acid. Any ideas on this one.

I think, assuming he refers to ratfish oil, that the key substance are the 'alkylglycerols'.

[BMJ]

If you are embarrassed by your english please don't be. I for one don't post much but do read fair bit and would appreciate your comments Dragonfly.

I would prefer quality over quantity any day. Please provide us with your thoughts.

[witchy1]

Thanks Wood - Alkylglycerol occurs naturally in humans in breast milk and bone marrow, while squalene can be extracted from olives, rice bran, wheat germ, and amaranth seeds. http://www.asianhospital.com/healthdigestitem.aspx?qy=28. This is about sharks, which I thought might be a good fish as well, livers arnt big enough though. but they are bottom feeders
Maybe is squalene????? (Im no chemist either, so its all guess work)

[Swami]

Lucky me - nobody can see me blushing darkred now - thank you Bill for the compliments! :o

Das wolte Ich mal gerne sehen....:yuck:

[Ba-ba-Ra]

http://altmedicine.about.com/od/herbsupplementguide/a/krilloil.htm

Anybody has more info or experience with that...?

Dragonfly, would you be willing to share which brand of Krill Oil you're using and where purchased. Since you are having such great success, it would save me from experimenting.

As for Pete Peterson, I personally picked up a good vibe from him. Saw no strong ego there. However, that doesn't mean he couldn't be totally honest, but being used without his knowledge. Always good to listen, but stay cautious.

Hi Swami, I am using Krill Oil since two months on recommendation of a close friend. I must admit that I was skeptic, but my curiosity won in the end.
To my experiences with Krill: I am not a "morning person", this fact has a lot to do with my very lame metabolism. Three days after taking the Krill Oil for the first time, my problems to get awake in the mornings have been drastically ameliorated. Secondly my bones are not hurting anymore when I got out of my bed. I can feel my body is much more "elastic" at the moment.
I assume the impact for each individual is different - to find out if Krill Oil is good for your body or not - I would simply apply the trial & error method:-).

Kind regards,
Dragonfly[/QUOTE]

[Dragonfly]

Hello Ba-ba-Ra - I am delighted to share this with you of course! The Brand I am using is Pharmanex (weird name I know). I received the pills from a friend, who is extremly convinced about the whole product line - as far as I know, he orders the Krill Oil in the US. Attached you will find more information:
http://www.longevityconnection.com/products/pip_mrn_omega.pdf

Kind regards,
Dragonfly

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Hello Ba-ba-Ra - I am delighted to share this with you of course! The Brand I am using is Pharmanex (weird name I know). I received the pills from a friend, who is extremly convinced about the whole product line - as far as I know, he orders the Krill Oil in the US. Attached you will find more information:
http://www.longevityconnection.com/products/pip_mrn_omega.pdf

Kind regards,
Dragonfly


Thank you!

[Victoria Tintagel]

Hey Avaloneans, good day to you :) Small fish, like sardines and anchovis are low in the foodchain, contain relatively small amounts of pollution and chemicals in their bodies. For all women who take care of their calcium intake, sardines are a very rich source of calcium. No need to buy expensive supplements, at all. Don't buy into those "break a leg or hip" slogans. Such bs! Also the scale of an egg, finely crushed into powder is an excellent source of calcium. Apart from taking in calcium, there's a resourceful method to keep the calcium on a healthy level: excersise :)

For me, the 2 ways to do that are walking and dancing. No methodical machine-like work out, for me, I tend to become very provocative and angry in those places that breath forced sweat for show of the body only. There's mainly a mental approach to excersise the body and people with that attitude are trying to force their body into a shape that is of no benefit to their health. Well, here I go.... off topic :)
Here are some links. Blessed be, Dutchess Tint.

This is a vegetarian version, the food that forms the stuff that is discussed here, in fish, is vegetables of the sea. So, it's quite convenient to use that source. http://www.vegsource.com/news/2010/11/study-vegans-have-more-dha-and-omega-3-than-fish-eaters.html

This link is for the Dutchies among us:
Butter oil and cod liver oil.
Directly to the products info
http://www.vitavie.nl/content.php/nl/130/bestellen?ProductID=49
Met vriendelijke groeten,
Willem Silderhuis

Holomed Nederland BV
P.O. Box 27
7630 AA Ootmarsum
The Netherlands

Tel +31 (0) 541 292975
Fax +31 (0) 541 292965
Email mailto: info@holomed.nl
Internet http://www.holomed.nl

[mrmalco]

I also found the Dr Peterson interview fascinating and seemingly credible. Also looked him up and found there were others, also finally lost hold of his coat-tails. If he reappears anywhere I hope this site will alert us.

[Bill Ryan]

I also found the Dr Peterson interview fascinating and seemingly credible. Also looked him up and found there were others, also finally lost hold of his coat-tails. If he reappears anywhere I hope this site will alert us.

As best we understand, Dr Peterson was censured for his contact with us and was ordered to break off contact. This is why he never appeared at the Los Angeles Awake and Aware Conference, where he was booked to speak, in September 2009.

The release of the video got us into considerable trouble for which Camelot paid a price. I explained in another thread, I believe, how the decision was made to kill Kerry as she was considered to be an uncontrollable wildcard who would not "play by the rules". See Part 3 of the interview, which shows Peterson becoming more and more irritated by Kerry's probing questions into off-record areas.

Kerry was being herself as always, pushing the envelope to the very limit. But our understanding is that some people in the Pentagon were not amused. Peterson himself intervened (he told this personally to David Wilcock, with whom he is still in contact) - and Kerry is still with us.

[Ahkenaten]

My question is why would so-called insider Pete Peterson spill the beans to anyone about anything unless he had been directed/given leave to do so. The whole Pete Peterson thing sounds and looks very fishy to me - I watched the video very closely where you all & Wilcock were interviewing Peterson and he was so obviously DISTINCTLY physically uncomfortable with Wilcock, he clearly had such an aversion to Wilcock that he couldn't even look him in the eye and was even turning and twisting his body so he was not directly facing Wilcock. What's up with that??!! Classical body language.

[norman]

.......he was so obviously DISTINCTLY physically uncomfortable with Wilcock, he clearly had such an aversion to Wilcock that he couldn't even look him in the eye and was even turning and twisting his body so he was not directly facing Wilcock......



Yes I noticed that and the even more weird thing is that Bill said Peterson and Wilcock are still in touch with each other!

[Ahkenaten]

Norman - Why would them being in touch with each other be weird if they were working together?

[norman]

Norman - Why would them being in touch with each other be weird if they were working together?

Well, with all that body language, it now turns out that even though Bill and Kerry are 'off limits' for Peterson, the guy he seemed to have the most discomfort with during the interview is the guy he keeps up a communication with.

There is another possible reading of the body language. I'm no expert but perhaps the body languge was "attraction".

[Ahkenaten]

By attraction I presume you are not venturing into matters of the physical body (?!) but rather you are alluding to being uncomfortable in the presence of someone/something with whom you were deeply involved but that because you knew it to be bad, your body could not help but show discomfort? Is that what you mean? Kind of like - ah - sorry for the metaphor, but say you were involved in an extramarital affair but then found yourself in a public situation where you had to sit next to that person in the presence of others - and worse, answer their probiing questions? And, so, although in your mind and words you kept your cool, the body could not help but reveal -THE LIE?

P.S. it is well to remember the predictions about various disclosures and events that failed to materialize and one in particular was sourced by D.W. to who? P.P.

[Dale]

Let me quickly add to this.

I've watched the Dr. Peterson interview on three separate occasions, largely because his information and presence intrigues me deeply. I have no reason to believe Dr. Peterson is being deceptive. He's simply recalling interesting experiences he's encountered as a research scientist.

Now, that is not to say he isn't exaggerating a bit; or avoiding certain issues. He knows clearly what not to say, and what to say; and just the manner to do so. A very cautious, and intelligent, man.

Concerning Mr. Wilcock; my forte is psychology, and from viewing Dr. Peterson's subtle body language toward Mr. Wilcock, it looks very much as if Dr. Peterson felt a bit "turned off," initially, to Wilcock's choice of words, stating once, "It's not the third eye, like your people say." Nothing malevolent, by either party. Simply a communication issue. Also, Dr. Peterson's position relative to Wilcock caused him to turn at a bit of an uncomfortable angle; possibly adding to the effect.

[Ahkenaten]

Let me quickly add to this.

I've watched the Dr. Peterson interview on three separate occasions, largely because his information and presence intrigues me deeply. I have no reason to believe Dr. Peterson is being deceptive. He's simply recalling interesting experiences he's encountered as a research scientist.

Now, that is not to say he isn't exaggerating a bit; or avoiding certain issues. He knows clearly what not to say, and what to say; and just the manner to do so. A very cautious, and intelligent, man.

Concerning Mr. Wilcock; my forte is psychology, and from viewing Dr. Peterson's subtle body language toward Mr. Wilcock, it looks very much as if Dr. Peterson felt a bit "turned off," initially, to Wilcock's choice of words, stating once, "It's not the third eye, like your people say." Nothing malevolent, by either party. Simply a communication issue. Also, Dr. Peterson's position relative to Wilcock caused him to turn at a bit of an uncomfortable angle; possibly adding to the effect.


Good points every one Dale and it is always good to have a professional look over the material and provide an objective assessment. I want to emphasize that I am NOT trying to undermine or attack either of these two gentlemen. I am earnestly searching for the truth. I have learned from years of experience working with people that when there is a contradiction between what is said and body language, it is well to "listen up." I do think this is one of those cases, though by no means have I drawn a final conclusion as to what that MEANS. Something wasn't right with that interview. I do not know what that means. I guess my concern always goes back to information and veracity - because it is impossible for us to background check and analyze in detail every bit of information that comes our way in these forums or elsewhere, the clearness and openness and lack of distortion of the message-bearers is therefor all the more important. Something just wasn't right, that's all. I have drawn no final conclusions whatsoever. Just raising a cautionary Yellow Flag here.

Who is to know whether the cause for Mr. Peterson's discomfort is attributable to simply a 'communication issue' or not?

As we head further down the rabbit hole together the importance and meaning of truthfulness and transparency becomes a more and more weighty subject.

My personal feeling is that even though we understand that deliberate disinformation is sprinkled with some truths, the emerging WE should signal to all that untruths are not an acceptable way to do business amongst honorable men/women. Perhaps then those who do engage in some trickster behavior will come to see a value in adopting strict honesty as a virtue, for the sake of others and themselves.

We really need this more than anything else besides (not to sound mushy) LOVE right now.

[Carmody]

How about the point that he says he's not allowed to contact Kerry or Bill anymore..but he may still want an avenue, an outlet?

So he connects with the person he has met: David Wilcock.

Nothing mysterious about that.

[Ahkenaten]

I don't find any of this mysterious at all - just curious. I wonder about a source that is so carefully handled that he must follow the dictates of his handlers? He can deal with D.W. but NOT Bill and Kerry when they are close with D.W. so they say and are in touch with him frequently? That is only one social step removed, not much distance at all. If he had been ordered not to deal with Bill and Kerry and now confined himself to D.W. and he is close with them - then in effect he is still dealing with Bill and Kerry or have I missed something? AND I don't find orders not to interact with Bill and Kerry to be credible unless P.P. is some kind of an agent................................why would he be limited to dealing with D.W. if he is a free agent working on behalf of truth, justice and the American Way? Then if there are issues with that - there are issues with the information, plus some of it has proven inaccurate. Capeche?

[Czarek]

Just a comment on the interview;
The only thing in the interview I cought that was off was when Pete said that they used CT scanners to test the flow of radiactive substance flow from the hand point to the corresponding organs. Well, you cannot test it with a CT scanner. You have to use a PET scanner or SPECT; so gamma cameras, not CT.
But perhaps he was refering to a diagnostic machine that is not known to the public and he simply called it a CT.

[Dale]

Just a comment on the interview;
The only thing in the interview I cought that was off was when Pete said that they used CT scanners to test the flow of radiactive substance flow from the hand point to the corresponding organs. Well, you cannot test it with a CT scanner. You have to use a PET scanner or SPECT; so gamma cameras, not CT.
But perhaps he was refering to a diagnostic machine that is not known to the public and he simply called it a CT.

I would assume he slipped up a bit and mixed the two diagnostic machines up. Such happens while on camera, especially when dealing with information that may result in life or death scenarios. As you said, it is also quite possible such a machine exists, unknown to the public, called a CT.

He also mixed melatonin and melanin up during his explanation of the pineal gland. Again, I would assume it to be an honest mix-up.

[Carmody]

People want truth. People want someone to "stand up and tell them like it is".

History shows that those who do so, die.

History shows that those who do so, are disbelieved, vilified, and ridiculed.

History shows that the evidence presented --is rejected out of hand, even by those who say they seek the truth.

The reward for speaking entirely honestly is death and disbelief by the public. So please, people...don't ask for strong people to stand up and do things unless you go out there and stand right beside them.


At the same time, most have no idea what the heck they are getting into. The dividing line, in my experience tends to be a dimensional or psychic one. if one has the capacity to do psychic things, then they have the understanding needed within them that is required to make it to the truth of things. If one does not have those sort of skills, the odds of getting to a point of ACCEPTING the truths as the reality they are, drops by a few magnitudes.

The truth is of a shape that is quite beautiful and it is a big shiny coin. Coins have two sides. Ultimate reward, ultimate peril. Balance in existence.

Those who do not have the skills, will recoil in horror and disbelief. Many times, it is only seen with fears. For there is seemingly precious little else to hang one's mind on. It's an evolution, and the change is part of the package. Everything flies away. Everything is redefined, even the deepest corners of thought ...and even the the underpinnings of thought - in your mind.

The truth is beautiful, yes. But it also has components of it..that make the most brutal and horrific wars - look like a joke. Remember this is ultimate expansion so all will be there. Including the nasty bits. And both the beauty and the horror will drive one completely mad before the mind can break down and accept it. A small madness, actually. Reformation of the mind around the new paradigm. Those who were born with the skills don't need to go through as much when they get close to the truth. If you are strong, a couple of months of pure insanity, and then you'll start to come back. Settle down, so to speak. We are talking about a psychotic break, and then some recovery time. Not unlike the pressure and change we go through when someone very close to us dies. And we were very poor. and in the same moment the perfect world emerge for one..at the same time they are realizing ultimate change through the pain. Birth is painful. As Cipher said in the Matrix about Neo, when Neo found what the truth was : "He's gonna pop!"

What... ...you thought you could keep the person you are, as you are, right now? Sorry. Not possible.

As they say, do you really wanna know? And can you even remotely accept it? the truth is bigger than you - it is bigger than me.

In order for it to crystallize into an understanding I can deal with, I have to reform my mind -in totality.

So what's it gonna be?

:croc: :rolleyes::cool:

[Ahkenaten]

Lacking technical knowledge on this subject I am unable to comment. Maybe someone else on the Forum knows the ins and outs of this stuff.

[Ahkenaten]

Carmody I will take the red pill

[witchy1]

I wonder if anyone here knows what the "thing" is that pp refers to when describing the blocking of radio waves/ electromagnetic waves/ any other waves that can cause interference with brain waves. He carries one with him and describes that many people do. would it be organite????
Please anyone??????

[astrid]

It does sounds like an orgone -type device, i have seen personal "wearable" versions of these, somewhere online.
( searching for a link now..)

[Swami]

According to this thread Mr. Peterson is still in contact with David Wilcock...
My question to Bill, have you heard anything from David lately on Mr. Peterson...?

[Bill Ryan]

According to this thread Mr. Peterson is stil in contact with David Wilcock...
My question to Bill, have you heard anything from David lately on Mr. Peterson...?

No, I'm afraid I haven't. I'm likely to be in LA in January and would be meeting with David then - and I'll certainly ask him.

[Dale]

I wonder if anyone here knows what the "thing" is that pp refers to when describing the blocking of radio waves/ electromagnetic waves/ any other waves that can cause interference with brain waves. He carries one with him and describes that many people do. would it be organite????
Please anyone??????

It's not an orgone device, it's termed a flicker frequency generator, or something to that nature.

It's a device one can pin beneath the collar of their shirt. The generator projects a small, flickering, red dot in one's vision. The goal of using this device is to concentrate on the flickering, red dot; holding onto that image so it doesn't become a solid, red dot. This effectively blocks EMF/radio/interference waves of any kind, as the brain is working at a level just beyond their reach.

[witchy1]

Thanks Dale, I originally thought it was a simple mechanical blocker - like copper or some other alloy. So now I need more informaiton...do you have a link to this information, specifically do you need mind exercises to learn to use given the focus required, are they easy to come by and any other information you may have access to. I will search under the terms provided and see what I can find
Thanks in anticipation

[Dale]

Thanks Dale, I originally thought it was a simple mechanical blocker - like copper or some other alloy. So now I need more informaiton...do you have a link to this information, specifically do you need mind exercises to learn to use given the focus required, are they easy to come by and any other information you may have access to. I will search under the terms provided and see what I can find
Thanks in anticipation

I doubt there will be any public links for this device. As Dr. Peterson described it, only those with high connections would have access to it's use.

[witchy1]

ahem, so how do you know about it??????????? all due respect:confused: Are you one of them????

[Dale]

ahem, so how do you know about it??????????? all due respect:confused: Are you one of them????

I am not.

With regard to the term and description I had posted, I do not remember where I overheard their use. In all honesty, it could have been from someone "playing a joke" on me, or trying to confuse me, a bit. I will admit to having a good few "well informed" friends, though I don't exactly remember who told me about Peterson's "flicker frequency generators."

[Carmody]

The lowest frequency, widely used framing limit for the human system is 24hz. This is the rate of film speed in the theaters, which are also 'double shuttered' to 48 hz to remove the last of the flicker effect.

I could write for a few pages here, but I won't . It has to do with secretions of glucose in the eye, for the rods and cones..and how fast it occurs in the given eye. I'm talking about persistence of vision, and each person is different. Each person has an ebb and flow of that has to do with their body's capacity and it's ability to secrete the glucose..and the given time of day, overall health, overall energy levels, etc. But there is a basic difference between the two.

Red is an interesting color. it is perception based, in some respects. we don't really decode the color red with a single cone. The densely packed area of the eye we use to perceive and point our eyes at constantly..that cone set, IIRC does not have any rods in it and it deals with red differently for each of us. Some of us are color blind and it is in a orange-red area of the spectrum. We also perceive the 'redness' of something according to the contrast and other colors that are around it. An intensity differential. So red is different than the rest. As well, Blue focuses before the surface of the cones and it is naturally a bit fuzzy. Our primary sensitivity is in the yellow-green range of colors. We have problems with Blue and red. Both exist on the edges of human capacity to cognate. The CIA/Nazi crew chose blue for hypnotism/flicker. Hhmm. Note that the more primitive 3-d glasses use Red-Blue and/or Cyan-Magenta. And our brain can be fooled into 'seeing' 3-d. Note that RED and BLUE correlate exactly to the Hubble issue, ie red shift Doppler, coming and going, in time and space. Acceleration and deceleration. This also corresponds to the issue of how 3-d reality manifests itself into this space. This cuts right to the core, in some ways.

My current musing brings me to saying that it may be possible to call the visual aspects and even the realized aspects of 3-d reality as a form of a perfected balance of acceleration and deceleration, or a red-blue shift balance resulting in a red-blue holographic integration of very high frequency 'flickers' of these 'balanced' particles we call 'atomic structure'.

I've stated before that my current understanding of reality or atomic structure is that of infinitely sized 2-d sheets of energy (seemingly stacked or near infinite amplitude oscillation) that are oscillating. They integrate with one another at a given angle and the integration point causes the appearance of a 'particle' that has an angular spin aspect that is either negative or positive in energy balance.

Think of two sheets of paper cut nearly in half..and then passing through one another, forming an X when seen edge on. Now imagine the two sheets each oscillating. Well, where they integrate, they form a spinning energy integration. negative or positive balance, thus red and blue shift. We realize time, gravity and space, etc, across groups of these incredibly (to us) minutely sized particles (like riding on a surface of nano-small spinning balls). Thus a "red-blue' balance, that centers on the green-yellow spectrum, our highest sensitivity. Walter Russel's works tend to get close to this.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Primary epileptic response is in the 15-18hz flicker range. Auditory and touch have also been found to be part of the package, and this, for going in AND out of the seizure response state.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1187259-overview

48 hz and lower framing/flicker can get one into a hypnagogic state, quite easily, if the right frequency is found and one concentrates. Or relaxes.

This tells me, this flickering red dot thing, that this is likely for real, to some extent, or the person or whomever who is trying to fool us/you, knows something about the human mind with respects to light, eye, sensitivities, hypnotism, concentration, flicker effect, image integration in the human eye/brain, and more.

Describe the specifically stated reason for this device to actually exist, again? Someone?

[Dale]

This tells me, this flickering red dot thing, that this is likely for real, to some extent, or the person or whomever who is trying to fool us/you, knows something about the human mind with respects to light, eye, sensitivities, hypnotism, concentration, flicker effect, image integration in the human eye/brain, and more.

Describe the specifically stated reason for this device to actually exist, again? Someone?

From part three of Project Camelot's interview with Dr. Pete Peterson:

(Peterson speaking)


So, there was a fellow that designed a little device that you could wear under the collar, which was provided to all of our personnel that we needed to make sure had clear thinking, that they could carry with them and it would send a signal, a close-by signal... remembering that electromagnetic waves decrease with the cube of the distance. After a very short distance, the signal’s very, very weak.

So you put a weak signal near the person, and drive their mind into a range of brainwaves that would be benign or even, hopefully, beneficial. They found a very simple way to find out what was beneficial, and then a very simple way to tune the device so that it would put those waves out. They were carried by all types of diplomats and military personnel for years and years and years.

I forget how the situation came about, and exactly who was speaking, but I was discussing this topic with a few friends; one of which termed the device I was describing as a flicker frequency generator, or something quite similar. This device can be concealed beneath a button up shirt's collar, and produces a red, flickering light in the user's line of vision. The individual using the device focuses on the flickering red light, working to prevent the flashing light from becoming a solid light. This process, aided by the device, helps prevent against intrusive waves.

[Luke]

Interesting .. and it suggests that with right training you can actually tune-out of "unwanted" frequencies all by yourself .. this device seem to be made for those that cannot be spared time or knowledge to do it autonomically.. or so it seems to me. A crutch.. just as with many other technologies.

This vehicles we use are actually quite capable.. problem is that the manual has been carefully hidden, and things "publicly available" . lots of manure..

[Carmody]

yes. that sounds about right.

Interestingly enough, it ALSO (possibly) has to do with aspects of the endocrine or glandular secretions in the brain (to balance the brain-body system), with regard to generation of the flicker effect in video. I had to research this and work with this extensively, for about 4-5 years. Levels of empathy in the given individual or their 'reptilian' (emotional identification with others) also SEEMED to be creeping into the situation. ie, those who have a higher sensitivity to flicker in video systems may be a touch more base in their emotions, with regard to not caring for others as much as you'd like. this is a VERY preliminary finding, one I was looking to prove or disprove. I was trying to find a correlation of some sort in the realm of human sensitivity to flicker effect and rod-cone color balance and sensitivity. I did this about 5 -6 years ago and I never had an opportunity to revisit it and flesh out a real hypothesis. Basically, i stumbled across some data and i was trying to figure out the parameters of the data so I could frame it well enough to look through it's reflection and find the source point. The indicated directions seem to be the causal point. But that is not even remotely verified.

But it DOES fit with the object of the game, here, in this situation. Which is interesting.

As well, the quality of timing of the framing (individual framing and framing sequence-length-total) is ultra critical. Another bit I manged to figure out.

[Carmody]

BTW, I spent 4 years dealing with this perceptive edge and if I had to point to a time in my life that my head cracked completely open..it would be that exact time I was playing with all these perception issues. I ran cutting edge video systems (that I had put together myself) that were entirely analog and played with framing, color, light level etc...and then managed to get to points or framing rates where I could either consciously see the framing flicker or then consciously ignore it. Meaning, to mentally integrate to a smooth continuity or separate into flicker. Red response will happens differently than yellow-green or blue. perceptive balance shifts in the three primaries happens around that range of framing. meaning, if one color was used over that of another, the flicker sensitivity would be slightly different for each color, at 48 hz. I also had to deal with the added issue of phosphor decay rates as these were analog systems, but even then, the 'as above' so below' rule comes into effect and interesting correlations to our perception modes and sensitivities will likely be shown in the phosphor decay and response characteristics (molecular type, orbitals, place in atomic chart, mass response, electronegativity, etc)


This flicker issue happens around 48hz. Then play with the length of the RED light's on and off periods.(frequency and length of time on and off periods) Blue might be more effective.......the CIA Nazi types know their stuff. Red may have been chosen as that was what was available at the time (red LED's- with standard technology) and it is a primary response color. But, it is an 'odd man out', in the integration sense, in the eye. (see earlier post)

So... red flicker perception levels may be the reality integration point in this rolling dream we call reality.

So there you go.

[Dale]

There is definitely a correlation between flashing lights and "altered" states of mind. From my research and work into NLP, I've found that flashing lights can drop an individual's brain waves from beta to alpha, quite quickly. When in alpha, an individual is more likely to accept messages/commands given, as their critical thinking ability is lowered.

Consider watching a television. The rapidly flashing lights often lower an individual to alpha within moments, making them more likely to assimilate the messages/commands received while viewing the television set. A bit of conditioning occurs, also, as individuals fall into alpha more quickly following extended months of television viewing; much as Pavlov's dogs were conditioned to salivate upon hearing the ringing of a bell.

[Ahkenaten]

And this is why people of genuine influence do not even have TVs in their homes - they are instruments of social control and condiioning

[Carmody]

I have a friend, we have both stopped watching televisions long ago. I'm talking about analog CRT here, in this coming comment.

What we both found is that there is a need to integrate in the mind, the flashing images, into a seamless motional system. This creates a pressure in the eyes and between the eyes and behind the eyes. When viewed after along absence. It is very QUICK and short..but it is definitely there. We both found the same effect. We stayed away from TV long enough that we had both lost the skill to understand it and this pressure emerged when we tried to view CRT TV's.

I would not sit in a restaurant or wherever, where a TV was capable of being seen by me (even accidentally), and he watched maybe 1-2 hours of TV per month..and watched a B&W 13" TV, from at least 15-20 feet back, and NO CLOSER. We had directly and purposely removed that hypnotic response from our lives.

When I went to friends houses, I would sit where I could not see the TV and then invariably drift into speaking on how TV watchers (who were invariably watching at the same time) were blind and screwed up hypnotized autonomous response Pavlovian mutts. Needless to say, these comments never go over very well.

[lightblue]

And this is why people of genuine influence do not even have TVs in their homes - they are instruments of social control and condiioning


you flatterer...got rid of mine 10 years ago...it was gonna be that box or me :bad: - and so the box had to go...i never looked back...:agree: l

.

[Carmody]

The most powerful and widely available tool that can be re-programmed (individual pixel level timing and color control) to control and mess with the human mind:

http://www.dlp.com/

Another comment.... is that I ended up seeing these huge and complex near holographic motional mandalas (in the meditation or hypnotic state) that would be representative of the 2-d aspect of 3-d reality DURING this period.

[Ahkenaten]

Watching TV is dangerous for your spiritual, mental, physical and emotional health. I do not think children should be allowed to watch it at all. The hypnotic effect is especially obvious in young children. I will go further with the power of the just barely subliminal messaging to insert ideations and images in the human mind. It is pretty alarming when these images percolate up into conscious awareness - and believe me, those images are there to be seen if one looks. I personally observed when watching the insipid new years' bacchanal in New York City on the tube in 2003 (the last year I watched TV) the image of a grinning bloody skull emerge over the TV imagery of the partying New Year's revelers in Time Square. Moreover there was an audio component - it said "You Will All Die." I am not kidding about this, this is real and actually happened.

[Carmody]

All this posting tells you: that these devices sold on the net, with color sequencing and flickering.....are 100% real. The reports are real. I just covered that in my 'anecdotal evidence from another angle'. Ie, a separate evidential trail that leads to the same spot.


Some of these devices are better than others. Instead of playing with video, I'm thinking that these devices are the way to go.

So now, IMO, we have 'head cracking' in hand, somewhat...which device is known to be the most effective?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Watching TV is dangerous for your spiritual, mental, physical and emotional health. I do not think children should be allowed to watch it at all. The hypnotic effect is especially obvious in young children. I will go further with the power of the just barely subliminal messaging to insert ideations and images in the human mind. It is pretty alarming when these images percolate up into conscious awareness - and believe me, those images are there to be seen if one looks. I personally observed when watching the insipid new years' bacchanal in New York City on the tube in 2003 (the last year I watched TV) the image of a grinning bloody skull emerge over the TV imagery of the partying New Year's revelers in Time Square. Moreover there was an audio component - it said "You Will All Die." I am not kidding about this, this is real and actually happened.

And maybe that's why John Carpenter has not been able to get any good films out for quite some time. He knew to much and decided to comment on it? :spy:

When I respond to your post, I'm thinking that some of the readers of this thread may think 'he's gone bonkers'..so everything I've written earlier comes into question..The stuff they they are having to catch-up and deal with, my last 4-5 posts. These readers will think that I just slipped across the boundary into la-la land. Which means they might ignore all I have previously written.

No so! Not so fast. I'm simply, now, armed with my earlier information, analyzing this seemingly strange 'la-la land' post. For if the earlier is true..then what of these visions seen regarding TV? Can I disprove it? Can I very fearfully Prove it, as who the hell would want such fearful things to be 'real'?

Well, that is a question, isn't it? And... I'm dispassionately looking at it ---as a question. So in order to get there, wherever 'there' is, I will accept this at face value for the moment and add it into the mix. I've heard such stories before, but I've never seen it happening in front of me. This is science, in a nutshell, BTW. Observe, hypothesize, investigate, evidence, correlate, etc.

But...but but but... I HAVE seen chemtrail dumbbell sprayers and taken photos of them (one, actually, one sprayer) and had the recorded images on the camera not correlate to what the eyes saw, AT ALL. So there is, personally.. a prior experience that has some correlation and bearing on the matter.

All we know ....is that this goes right into David Icke's explorations.

[Ahkenaten]

Yes Carmody, THEY truly LIVE

[norman]

I have a friend, we have both stopped watching televisions long ago. I'm talking about analog CRT here, in this coming comment.

What we both found is that there is a need to integrate in the mind, the flashing images, into a seamless motional system. This creates a pressure in the eyes and between the eyes and behind the eyes. When viewed after along absence. It is very QUICK and short..but it is definitely there. We both found the same effect. We stayed away from TV long enough that we had both lost the skill to understand it and this pressure emerged when we tried to view CRT TV's.

I would not sit in a restaurant or wherever, where a TV was capable of being seen by me (even accidentally), and he watched maybe 1-2 hours of TV per month..and watched a B&W 13" TV, from at least 15-20 feet back, and NO CLOSER. We had directly and purposely removed that hypnotic response from our lives.

When I went to friends houses, I would sit where I could not see the TV and then invariably drift into speaking on how TV watchers (who were invariably watching at the same time) were blind and screwed up hypnotized autonomous response Pavlovian mutts. Needless to say, these comments never go over very well.

I'm greatly encouraged to read your post. I've been struggling along in a world where I could never find another person who felt so acutely aware of these things and actually exclude TV so completely from their lives.

I have another contribution to add to your account of the effects of TV. It's not a scientifically arrived at view but a long considered theory.

It's based on the idea that certain 'designs' are greater than the sum of their parts. As in the way that 3 light alloy tubes are incredibly strong when they are joined together as a triangle ( as in bicycle frames ).

Our primary senses work together as a whole experience. We can artificially simulate the 'experience' of one sense at a time and find it useful but not overwhelming or disorientating. We can invent ways to record, transmit and replay sound that we can hear at a different time and place from where it was recorded. We can invent ways to record, transmit and replay images and moving visuals that we can see at a different time and place from where they were recorded. Each of these technologies have their impact on our ( inner ) outer state. When we combine these technologies in synchronisation and provide our ears and our eyes with a simultanious virtual reality we seem to set off a multiplier factor that greatly amplifies the 'effect' on our combined senses.

As a person who won't have a TV in my home I am always amazed to see the effect they have on other people. They have a dramatic effect on me too if I dare to settle down in front of one for an hour or so. I've even been seriously disturbed by TV programs and have had to make my excuses an leave.

[Ahkenaten]

I think to vastly oversimplify the technology and physiology entrained, that this plays on the mind's natural tendency to take parts and combine them into a comprehensive whole. In that sense, this technology is tampering with the holographic mind. Sorry for taking such license with language and talking in such an imprecise way. And this is why this particular technology is so dangerous and insidious - not only does it reach into the mind subliminally just beneath conscious awareness for the purpose of directiing and controlling mundane human activities, i.e. "consumption," "politics," "religion" etc - more importantly it seeks to use the human mind against itself to further reinforce and shore up the mental prisons we have functioned in without being aware of this for probably thousands of years. In addition, this technology seeks to use the holographic mind to manipulate reality by projecting certain very negative energies and constructs out onto the larger reality. Anyone interested in truth, freedom and conscious positive human development should throw their TV away, not permit young children to watch it, and talk to friends and family about this without alienating them by getting too woo-woo initially. This is serious and is about our survival.

The one person I was close to in my life who was probably a genuine member of the Illuminati informed me that he "would not have a TV in his house." HE would know.

[Carmody]

If one TRULY wants to get away form ALL of this, then one is going to have to find a technology in computer monitor form that is like the technology in a Kindle reader.

Ie, LCD panel with no framing,and back-lit with LED lights that are always and continually on. No framing of any kind. Very slow response, no color, monochromatic.

[Ahkenaten]

I agree we should look into that as I have noticed subliminal flickering and sometimes even flashes at frankly inauspicous moments on my computer screen. I know anyone reading this out of context would think I have flipped out but frankly I have flipped in.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Hey Carmody do you know of any computer monitors that are like what you have described? I would like to get one if such exists.

[Carmody]

Another critical point is that this experience that cracked my head entirely open, this experience allowed me to deeply explore all my origins and life, to the point of birth--and beyond. I rewired my head and it was painful -no doubt. The break down was total, and I'd not have it any other way.

This wiring change had the effect of sublimating or dropping the ego-body response from such a high level of control in my life. The body ego response ended up showing itself as LIMITING my intellectual capacity and reach. The body-ego 'freezes you out' so to speak. Like a autonomous hypnotic state that has descended upon the body-edifice and hobbles the occupying spirit body.

MY IQ, I estimated (at that time), at the peak, had extended to 200+ --and beyond. I purposely stepped way from it, as I had one foot in each world and had to make a decision. To stay here with the rest of you--or go. Most of the intellectual capacity and some of ethereal sensitivity stayed, but the incredible magic and connection dissipated. I was in a state where anything, anything at all was possible. But the body could not handle it. Which is why I mercilessly exercised and kept my body in absolute peak condition. The drain was immense. What that state of mind and being told me, is that the stories of old...are true. Very very true. Men stomping around like gods (as seen by this imprisoned state). I was inches away from it, and backed off. Not my purpose.

Which is the overall intellectual level that our spirit bodies (that integrate with our physical bodies) are at. I effectively erased the barrier. But it cannot be held, in my experience, while living in this modern world.

[Ahkenaten]

We are embodied for reasons and I believe, chose this state for some reason. We need to learn more about our purpose which gets to who and what we really are. And THIS is the most carefully guarded secret that we are NOT to know. We are energetic beings of light for whom nothing, NOTHING is impossible. So - how to 'step down the voltage' and function effectively in the every-day world...............??? Many of us are trying to do that now.

On the 'stepping down the voltage' - maybe one way to look at the body, especially the central nervous, endocrine and brain systems, is as a transducer? A mechanism to step down the voltage from etheric levels into this corporeal instrument?

[Carmody]

Also, in my estimation, training wheels. Rubber Buggy Baby Bumpers.

[Ahkenaten]

Agree! :cool:

[mrmalco]

Yes I had the same impression of his aversion to DW. So it's interesting that they are still in touch. Perhaps his aversion was having someone alongside, who, from his reaction to some of DW's early contributions, he did not think was in the same league or indeed the same ballgame. Despite the strangeness of some of the experiences that Dr P mentioned he is clearly a 'physical' scientist (Instrument Maker) and may have objected to the implicit 'psychic' association caused by DW's very obvious presence and occasionally mistaken pick-ups on what he said. DW did reveal the tendency we all have, to grab at information too quickly, thinking we've got it because it fits a preconception of our own. When in fact the teller is saying something else. No offence intended to DW in these observations.

[Carmody]

As for always going ahead and finding the end of people's words, sentences and conclusions, that is actually an extension of how we actually interpret words. Our minds hear the start of a word and begin test fitting the end of the word before it is actually uttered. This, in order to be able to function in conjunction with actions, in this case, spoken word, in as 'real time' a capacity as is possible.

This is the actual process of martial arts. To create a semi-autonomous aspect of the nervous system and body response.

this is an extension of our autonomous system that interprets EVERY input to our personal body/life in danger/no danger terms FIRST, before anything else happens. Ie the system itself is INHERENTLY paranoid, to start--- and always will be. Thus it is manipulable, as we all know, I hope, being members of this forum.

The point here, is that David has evolved to the next point, like developed martial arts, which is test fitting in real time, entire sequences -as a single grouping.

I do the same, all the time -and most of us do it to some extent. I use it all the time as this can allow me to find answers when none are available, as this technique has me doing the equivalent of heavy exercise as I'm always at it, even in casual conversation. In essence, as a style of communication, it can be annoying but the other side of the coin is that I'm always 'working out' and ready for the load that comes down the road that is 'incomplete' and I must find the connective tissue for it. It's literally wired into me as part of my software/hardware package. And if David did not have this, he'd not have gotten as far as he has - today.

Annoying it may be to some but critical it is. IMO and IME.

[mrmalco]

Thanks for that, but I was talking about times when DW actually leaped in, mistaking what Dr P was talking about, and had to be corrected. In my experience of Tai Chi (30+ years) one becomes instant by instant more aware of the objective realm, rather than more prone to react from internal subjective assumptions, which some call the 'unguarded posture'. As I said I often react in this unguarded subjective way myself ... so, no judgements.

[Carmody]

That's what I mean. david's pre-load expectations where an example of him holding a Swiss army knife of potential 'fits' in his mind.

Also, David, ever the psychic -- one likes to test not just their mental muscles on logical assumption, but their psychic forecasting capacities as well. And I suspect that is part of where David's real tendency to 'jump in' was coming from. That's where part of my tendency to do similar - comes from.

As well, David speaks in front of people all the time. If this did not agree with his make up, then he'd not be doing it. So there is a certain hard wired thing about his situation where he simply speaks to all. Part of his nature. So when you get someone like Peterson who necessarily had to have long winded explanations, you get David, looking to shorten things up with his own understandings being offered as potential ends to the given meandering explanation. Just a potential answer, is all.

I'd suspect that once Doc Pete and David had ironed out their stylistic differences, that their communications would speed up and sync much better..which may partly explain their now supposedly extant dialogue.

[jcocks]

I'd suspect that once Doc Pete and David had ironed out their stylistic differences, that their communications would speed up and sync much better..which may partly explain their now supposedly extant dialogue.


No.. I think it has to do with believability. At the end of the day, who is joe blow going to believe ?

A "bill ryan" who talks level-headed, backs up his claims with solid research and looks like someone you'd like to meet in your local coffee shop and strike up a chat with... Or "David Wilcock" who comes across a bit too enthusiastic at times, says "OMG! I had the most amazing dream last night!", and looks like that dude out of "The LawnMower Man"??

I'm not passing judgement on the guy, I quite like him myself and would love to meet him, but when the **** hits the fan, people are going to ask questions - and the "bill ryans" of the world excude a lot more trust and level-headedness than the "David Wilcocks"... and this, IMHO is why TPTW are allowing Pete to stay in contact with dave - he's the one less likely to be believed.

[Carmody]

The TPTB don't have as much power as some might think. Like a single guard with 100 prisoners, you just have to find a way to get people past the fear of dying. Due to this, they have to concentrate their power and move it around, often. They have to keep up appearances. This includes the critical act of secrecy, to keep that information close. It gives the appearance of them being everywhere, at any time.

There are more fires out there - than they can put out. As long as people feel the guards are in control - they will be.

[witchy1]

I doubt there will be any public links for this device. As Dr. Peterson described it, only those with high connections would have access to it's use.

Hiya Dale, guess what I found:

Method and Apparatus for Shielding a Person from the Polluting Effects of Extremely Low Frequency (ELF) Magnetic Waves, and all Other Environmental Electromagnetic Emissions - by Dr Andrija Puharich
Essentia Research Associates
Invited Paper: The Tesla Centennial Symposium, IEEE Pikes Peak Section, Colorado Springs CO (August 12, 1984)

This paper will describe a novel method and means of defense against the global omnipresence of ELF emissions and other electromagnetic pollution. The use of ELF magnetic emissions in contemporary undeclared warfare is so new that there is little knowledge about it amongst both the lay public and experts in warfare. Therefore, this paper will rely on the history of the development of ELF warfare starting with Nikola Tesla’s pioneering work in the 1890s; its contemporary use by several nations; and some new research carried out by the author. This background material is to be found in Reference 1, an unpublished manuscript written by the inventor.

Figure 2: (A) ELFm-EMPe Shield Device Block Diagram. Earth/Atmosphere are energy sources for polluting emissions (I, II). Neutrinos are space energy source of energy for bio-proton detectors (V). The human (III) is the target for these three sources of energy. (B) In the block diagram, IV, VI, VII, VIII, and IX are components of the Shield Device. VI and VII are armbands. IV, VIII, and IX are housed in a metal pen housing and electrically shielded inside from EMPe effects. The solid lines represent conventional EM wiring and coupling. The dashed lines represent scalar wave pathways, and virtual flux pathways.
http://www.rexresearch.com/puharelf/2.jpg

Description of the Shield Device which Protects an Individual from the Negative Biological and Psychological Effects of EMPe and ELFm Polluting Emissions ~
Reference to Figure 2 shows the block diagram of the Shield Device. There are three components of the Shield Device. The first component is the metal shielded circuit made up of three parts respectively labeled: the Sensor (IV), the Battery (VIII), and the Controller (IX), a quartz clock. Now it is to be noted that the first component which is in the form and shape of a ball point type of pencil, and will be called the pencil hereinafter, encloses all of the three parts in a metal Faraday type of shield. This means that the the parts are effectively shielded against all EM radiation above about 100 Hz. The pencil is normally held in the hand and can be used as a working ballpoint pen, or it can be worn in a shirt pocket or carried by a cord hung around the neck. The only signals that can get through the shielding of the pen are: (a) the magnetic brain waves of the person wearing it, (b) the ambient neutrino flux from deep space, and (c) virtual sub-quantum anenergy from the environment.

More here: http://www.rexresearch.com/puharelf/puharich.htm

It looks like a standard pen - What do you think?????????

[webyourstuff]

. I personally observed when watching the insipid new years' bacchanal in New York City on the tube in 2003 (the last year I watched TV) the image of a grinning bloody skull emerge over the TV imagery of the partying New Year's revelers in Time Square. Moreover there was an audio component - it said "You Will All Die." I am not kidding about this, this is real and actually happened.

Whoa! I am checking new years eve tv videos on youtube to see if I can find this. Was this on the screen in times sq, or was it over the who picture (produced by the tv producer broadcasting to yor tv? Can you pinpoint a time? such as as the ball was descending? or imediately afterwards, as the revelers were jumping up and down and kissing?

[mrmalco]

Some late thoughts on what so annoyed Dr Pete and why Kerry got the brunt of his anger - from him and others.

If, in previous conversation, someone confides information but off-the-record, it is really crass to ask a question on that topic on-the-record if you ever want the interviewee to trust you again. This is because it becomes obvious to an alert monitoring viewer (and you can bet there were some pretty sharp one's on that interview) that the interviewee must have said something off camera. That puts the interviewee in the wrong with his 'own people' - they begin to distrust him, knowing that he must have said something or other. I don't have any personal dislike of Kerry but as an old media man I always wondered when her amateurism would catalyze some unfortunate happening. It really did - until Charles came along Dr Peterson was the most informative witness we ever heard from.

[jasontorque]

until Charles came along Dr Peterson was the most informative witness we ever heard from.

Yes, whilst we learn to trust our intuition we also need to maintain discernible barometers.

[THW]

I can see that it has been months since there has been activity on this thread. I personally know Pete Peterson and we exchanged visits to one another (separated by a couple of thousand miles) some years ago. Yes, Pete is a mystery to many. Everybody wants to know about past activities and the so many "why's", "how's", and "when's". Based on the background in pictures you posted, Pete gave his interview to Camelot in the same vicinity where I visited him and his reasons for being there are exactly as he states in the interview. I truly have no curiosity as to what led to the development Dr. Pete Peterson. I care only about the potential loss of so many things that he can offer. I do know of and can vouch for his expertise in electromagnetics and the RF spectrum. Pete was long ago developing solutions that are presently being talked about as future technologies in the medical and telecommunications fields.

I have not been in direct contact with Pete for several years but was presented with wireless communications technology about which I spoke with Pete long ago by an individual who has always claimed to be associated in one way or another with indistinct government entities. An individual that years ago met Pete because of me. The companies mentioned in this thread also figure prominently in this individual's presentations as does Pete Peterson. After two years of hyperbole and basically having been driven to near bankruptcy I have cut off this individual and any associated companies or groups. I was told not to let Dr. Peterson know of activities where his technology was being used. Now I am threatened with lawsuits if I do not continue to take part in their projects. That's how that particular sector seems to work. Looks like I will have to make a trip to find my friend Pete to give him a heads up and to reestablish communication.

This scenario is typical and the reason that Pete Peterson falls into unfavorable light at times. Individuals who never truly identify themselves but infer links to either the government or powerful groups manipulate information. A person as open as Pete Peterson (despite appearances to the contrary) becomes a tool benefitting others while deriving no benefit for himself. There is something that all of these Pete Peterson "exploiters" share: they do not allow access to Pete and will hinder efforts to this effect.

Anyone can misinterpret body language or read a person incorrectly. Pete was probably nervous during the interview but I am certain that his intent was not to ignore anyone. He was simply concentrating on the camera. He is a very likable person and extremely easygoing. Pete may be many things but he is not a professional interview candidate. There are many views and opinions that I differ on with Pete but, on the whole, I stand by him. We don't need to fear the Pete Petersons that show up on the radar. It is the many blips that seem to spontaneously generate on the screen around individuals like Pete that we need to be wary of. Sadly, in the end, what seems to be a common trait these "blips" share is the $$$ factor and how to milk Dr. Peterson and his concepts or to suppress them if they feel theatened. I want to make it clear that I do not espouse any conspiracy theories. In my opinion Pete is subject to manipulation for profit by many individuals and companies. These may or may not have government ties. Bottom line is that greed is the greatest hindrance to getting Pete's ideas to the public.

I commend Project Camelot for seeking out and wrangling an interview out of Dr. Peterson. I hope he is reading this thread for he will recognize the initials. I know his wife, Michelle, passed away since his interview but know that she would have wanted him to keep up the fight. A great lady and a huge loss. Go for it Project Camelot! Go for it Pete! Give'm hell!!! They certainly deserve it.

[Aurelius]

thx for this post.

Unfortunately I know all to well those with technical talent .. are not very good at dealing with bastards. One day we will kick them in the nuts.


I can see that it has been months since there .....<snip>

[mahalall]

Thanks THW,

Dr Pete Peterson should be respected, he shared an enormous amount.

I found his review of blood clotting factor X as derived from Rat fish liver oil really interesting and probably deserves a thread of investigation on it's own.
As suggested as an Anti arthrosclerosis agent! It's use with factor V as obtained from the dietary source of Nato (fermented soya bean) a rich source of vitamin K. Would raise the eye brows of those pharmaceutical companies who produce statins-nitrates and anti-hypertensive agents.

[THW]

I am glad to see that this thread is active and that folks are interested in what Dr. Pete Peterson is trying to bring to our attention. I must admit that one of the people that I have cut off did have a comment that he frequently used: "There are three kinds of people - Those that make things happen, those that watch things happen, and those that say 'What the f*** just happenned?'"
Would it that all of us could fall in the first category... I have seen for years that the great majority of us fall into the second and third type. People must stand up and make their opinions heard. People must stand up and make a choice between allowing situations to follow the "standard" that others impose or strive to get things back on the right path.
We don't all have to be inventors. We don't all need to enjoy elevated IQ's. What we all need is consciousness of what is happening around us and to us. We all have a stake in humanity's future and we can all make a difference as individuals. There is a huge difference between "what can I do?" and "what will I do?".

[THW]

food for thought...
"Be not astonished at new ideas; for it is well known to you that a thing does not therefore cease to be true because it is not accepted by many."
Baruch Spinoza

[THW]

and the hits keep on coming...

In my attempts to gather additional data regarding information in this thread I have run into some interesting material that references MediaG3 (a company where Dr. Peterson was supposedly on the Board of Directors). I cannot attest to the veracity of the posts but the link is http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/board.aspx?board_id=12980 . Go to the bottom of this page to see some interesting posts.

As i stated on a previous posting here, manipulation comes to mind. I wonder what this company may have gotten out of Dr. Peterson and what happened with this information. Once again, it looks like Pete got used. You can be certain that MediaG3 did get some kind of a benefit from its relationship with Pete Peterson. I will, for now, give MediaG3 the benefit of the doubt... Time will tell if MediaG3 is a bona fide corporation that has all they claim to have and that it is not what seems to be depicted by the posts.

Regards to all

[winston smith1971]

Hello The-cipher-replied

I have watched the Project Camelot interview with Dr. Pete Peterson several times and my impression is that he came across as a sincere and genuine chap, if he is who he says he is, then perhaps the 'Heat is On' and he has decided to do a runner before he has an 'accident' like other's before and since!

Thank you for an interesting thread.

Love and peace and welcome. JP :cool:

Does Bill Ryan know you have knicked his hat...LOL no sorry only joking

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

The TPTB don't have as much power as some might think. Like a single guard with 100 prisoners, you just have to find a way to get people past the fear of dying. Due to this, they have to concentrate their power and move it around, often. They have to keep up appearances. This includes the critical act of secrecy, to keep that information close. It gives the appearance of them being everywhere, at any time.

There are more fires out there - than they can put out. As long as people feel the guards are in control - they will be.

Exactly! I read Foucault's "Panopticon" a while back, and I can't get that out of my mind!

[kersley]

Orgone device... what are the benefits?

[miloud]

Hi girls and guys,

In the matter we are analysing, the most difficult is to have a full picture of the game, the rules and the final goal of it.
The players are already showing themselves.
I think that any group behind any of the whistelblowers and alltogether had interest to see PC stop or change the way it existed.
Why? And how does PA and PC are different?

Thanks Bill.

[Operator]

Hi girls and guys,

In the matter we are analysing, the most difficult is to have a full picture of the game, the rules and the final goal of it.
The players are already showing themselves.
I think that any group behind any of the whistelblowers and alltogether had interest to see PC stop or change the way it existed.
Why? And how does PA and PC are different?

Thanks Bill.

Stop ? .... no. Indeed it's the next word you used ... change
These guys understand Aikido ... you use the flow of energy of your opponent and re-direct it.
This way you don't have to absorb the energy of the incoming impulse.

And especially now with people waking up they would alarmed in an instant when you try to stop it.

[Carmody]

Orgone device... what are the benefits?

one side of that coin says plenty of benefits if used in full knowledge of how it works. If one knows how it works and what it does, there are then...other avenues to pursue that make orgone devices look like the child's toy that they are.

Orgone devices are a signpost of a much deeper situation and orgone should not be played with in ignorance of what it is doing.

A very big and shiny coin, orgone is.... and it has two very weighted and deep sides.

[Carmody]

thx for this post.

Unfortunately I know all to well those with technical talent .. are not very good at dealing with bastards. One day we will kick them in the nuts.


I can see that it has been months since there .....<snip>

The thing about 'the bastards', is that the only thing they possess, as a specialized predator -- is their manipulation. All they have, is a parasite class level of skill. Lies, posturing, threats. Manipulation, in order to have others kill for them. And so on.

And they use that manipulation skill to try and build a wall that you cannot pass, so you cannot walk around.... see behind what is essentially.....a very weak facade.

The 'give away' sign, is that the weaker their position, the quicker they have to be on the attack, when someone really exposes or goes after their weaknesses or what they are trying to cover. They have no choice. They must unilaterally first (and quickly) use fear, manipulation and violence. That is as far as their skill set extends. This is pure Sun Tzu 'art of war' tactics, where psychology plays the greater part.

[skuzzy]

I remember him talking about ratfish liver oil. I have just started taking it to check if the 'decalcification of the pineal gland' works at all. Any feedback on that?


There are a few websites that sprang up following the Peterson interview selling "ratfish oil." I'm not sure if any of them have the real deal or not, but Peterson did seem very sure ratfish oil de-calcifies the Pineal Gland. I'd be willing to try it! I haven't heard from anyone else about it yet, but the Weston Price Foundation does have a lot to say about "Activator X," the main component, as described by Peterson, in ratfish oil.

I am pretty confident what that is is labeled "Blue Ice skate fish oil" and it is sold by Green Pastures. Fiddleheads in my neck of the woods says they sell that brand but never have the actual product. After 3 requests to order some for me, I am still waiting, all calcified up :P

[skuzzy]

Gosh I really hate to double post but I found this in this thread so, here goes my "ignorant" question....

In the end we had an e-mail dialog which was published on the Camelot blog at the time. He stressed that he was trying to get clearance not to protect HIM, but to protect US.

We told him that we'd be willing to take that risk, and published it anyway.

Several months later, look at what happened to Project Camelot.

Note, however, that this was one of several concurrent factors: we upset a lot of people in the second half of 2009, including:

whichever group was behind Dan Burisch.
whichever group was behind Steven Greer.
whichever group was behind the Mars colony that Henry Deacon came out to speak about in Barcelona.
the Church of Scientology (as a result of the Dane Tops interview - although that was not published till November).

By August 2009 someone had made the decision that we were going too far. Marci McDowell turned face and abruptly started to attack us viciously and continually. Henry Deacon disappeared and refused to have anything more to do with us. And various things happened at the end of the year, quite well-documented in bits and pieces elsewhere, as a result of which Kerry and I found we were no longer able to work together.

This brought back a big De-ja-vu and I remembered reading this along way back. I still dont understand what happened to Camelot when it is said it "changed" or "stopped" and I especially dont understand " as a result of which Kerry and I found we were no longer able to work together." And omg I know this will most likely go unanswered, but who is behind those aforementioned people?????

Sorry for the n00bness but I need to know the answer to any of the questions from this "young grasshoppa".

[Bob]

Skuzzy, this was an interesting thread for me to read.

[Shannow]

http://www.westonaprice.org/fat-soluble-activators/x-factor-is-vitamin-k2#foods

REading the list of vitamin K rich foods, I can now see in my locale why children with healthy teeth have healthy teeth...

[grapevine]

Bill,
Hope you stop by this chat again. The Peterson interview was one of my favorites on PC. He had concrete examples of events or products and his revelation on that topic.

I remember during the run up to releasing the interview I recall either Kerry or yourself saying there was many hours of video that could not be released and the reason for not releasing was to guard PCs safety. Given your thoughts above about the PC drama, which occurred after the Peterson release, would it not be a good idea to release the edited material?

PS, I am still seeking the metal filing product Peterson said he sold for finger manipulation and yes I still take the ratfish oil. I have not been sick since taking it. Not sure if that proves anything. But I have put two drops of it in stagnant water and it does purify it.

Nearly right! We have 12 hours of off-record AUDIO. All the video was published.

The audio contains some pretty interesting stuff. Some of it we've kinda gradually leaked out a little with references at conferences, or generally hinted at in other conversations, but there's a real treasure trove of tidbits in there... some of which really blew our minds. We were told very clearly by Pete it was off-record.

I really should trawl through that and create a compendium of information - the Peterson Files (as it were). Like the last Peter Sellers Pink Panther movie which they created from all the outtakes from the earlier films!

For those of you who (e.g.) have been posting on this thread, I can see that it would be fascinating - and it might be. The 12 hours has been fully transcribed and so in theory it would not be too hard to do. It'd be pretty rough... but it would add a lot of value to those who already know that the guy is for real. Skeptics would not bother to read it.

While I've sort of talked my way into this while writing :) - this isn't going to happen anytime soon: I have too much on my plate. It DOES need to be read through very carefully to edit out the bits and pieces that we know we definitely don't have his okay to publish. But I do appreciate the prompt, and all the interest.

Hi - I've read through this entire thread again (so interesting and so current STILL) and wonder whether there's an update on the off the record audio. I also wonder there's been any "sighting" of either Dr Peterson or Alfred Nuuman recently, even just to confirm they are both alive and well.

While writing, and slightly off topic, has anyone ever been on the "Dark Internet" and researched any of the information here . . . . or is it all just about buying spliffs in bulk and machine guns?

[Robin]

Hi - I've read through this entire thread again (so interesting and so current STILL) and wonder whether there's an update on the off the record audio. I also wonder there's been any "sighting" of either Dr Peterson or Alfred Nuuman recently, even just to confirm they are both alive and well.

While writing, and slightly off topic, has anyone ever been on the "Dark Internet" and researched any of the information here . . . . or is it all just about buying spliffs in bulk and machine guns?

For what it's worth, I went to a David Wilcock conference at the end of October. He mentioned many times that he is still in contact with Pete Peterson on a regular basis...but David didn't expand on anything.

Take what meaning from this you will...

:gossip:

[Subcoder]

First off, I want to mention that I have made contact with Dr. Pete Peterson in the past. After seeing this interview about 1-2 years ago, I did some fishing around and found the name of the company he worked for at that time. Then (to be shamefully honest) I pretended to be someone who was interested in doing business with this company, knowing if I persisted just a little bit that I would be put into contact with him - which happened. We exchanged a couple of mundane business oriented Emails but I was excited none the less - it worked! :) Unfortunately, I was to embarrassed at his point to reveal the true nature of my inquiries and ask him all the things I really wanted to ask him, so I let the whole thing go. In one of the emails he made a comment that made me think that he knew what I was up to - but it was kind of an encouraging comment. At this point I didn't know what to do... I was conflicted between respecting the mans privacy and getting what I feel to be invaluable information, particularly about the Accucomb device and the other medical device. So I decided to let it go and not bother him. At the time I was happy enough to have made contact with him, but now I'm just disappointed that I couldn't go that extra step... still think about it sometimes. :(

Secondly, you could probably use the same electret material in microphones paired with some copper to get something very close to the accucomb but I'm not sure - there's several different kinds of plastic electret materials. Quartz is an electret material I believe... I haven't found anything on the medical tuning device that hasn't already been mentioned on this thread, sadly.

I know it's been a while and this may already seem like a dead issue to most of you, but I'm just as interested now as I ever was before in these devices & other things mentioned by Dr. Pete Peterson. I just thought I would revive this topic, share my little bit and see if anyone maybe had some stable and relevant info/updates they might want to add.

Lastly, I strive to be an honorable man wherever and whenever possible. I'm only mildly discontent about how I decided to get into contact with him, but still feel it wasn't honest and I wouldn't recommend anyone do the same thing. Even if only out of respect for Dr. Petersons privacy.

Thanks! :)

-subcoder

[Carmody]

Orgone device... what are the benefits?


Orgone is a tough one. Great at what it does, if we truly understand what it is doing, when we use it, when we build and place it, etc.

the problem with orgone is that it is an open ended system, it is not 'enclosed'. This is by definition, when dealing with unknowns - not a very smart thing to be doing.

Things like gravity motors, LENR type devices, not so bad, as they are by design and execution, enclosed. This has less potential, in some important ways, to harm ourselves or the overall environment.

Oh. I answered that one already.

Well, a second warning and a bit more clarity is not a bad thing.

as for the 'accucomb'. There is another (way).

See kozyrev's permalloy sleeping space. To drop the earth's magnetic field to as close to zero as is possible. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68187-Scientific-explanations-of-psychic-phenomena-and-timespace-Dr.-N.-A.-Kozyrev--s-Mirrors)



Carol: Well, the whole planet is an electronic soup, with radio waves on all frequencies.

Trofimov: Yes, exactly. So, to the next room. This is a “cosmobiotron” clinical device. There are two here — the only ones in the whole world. Inside this apparatus, the electromagnetic field is reduced almost to nothing, which allows us to go anywhere in space. Just to be free, out of the magnetic field of the earth.

Carol: How does it do that?

Trofimov: Inside this shell are several layers of a special steel called “permalloy” that has magnetic “receiving qualities,” that is sensitive to magnetism. Inside the tube, the magnetic field is diminished 600 times.

Currently, the Earth’s magnetic field has 49,000 nano-Teslas. It has been decreasing by about 50-70 nano-Teslas per year. By the end of the millennium, we’ll have only 100-200 nano-Teslas. So, this apparatus allows us to emulate the situation that we will have 1000 years in our future.

[He sat down on the open end of the tube]. Where I’m sitting now, the magnetic field is how it will be on Earth in 100 years. As I move further into the apparatus, the magnetic field is decreased, as it will be on Earth further into the future. We measure the results every 15 centimeters, which is equivalent to 100 years. In a thousand years, we will be somewhere in the middle of this apparatus.

This apparatus is the most important research instrument for assessment of the evolutionary consequences of the fluctuation of Earth’s magnetic field.

Carol: What is the result of that diminished magnetic field?

Trofimov: As the force of the magnetic field is decreased, the sun’s energies will penetrate more.

Carol: So the magnetic field protects us from the solar rays?

Trofimov: Yes, and also cosmic rays — galactic protons, for example. The less protection there is, the more particles can reach us.

Carol: Is the ozone layer a different mechanism?

Trofimov: Somewhat different. The ozone layer filters only the ultraviolet part of the spectrum.

So we have a profound opportunity to really emulate what will happen with any living creature or human being, century by century — how we will co-exist with these energies from space. What will happen? Either our mind reserves or extra abilities will open, or on the contrary they will be limited, and some catastrophe will happen. So basically, this is a like a theatrical stage, where we can see how the fate of human life will play in a thousand years.

We have been working more than 15 years, so we do have results. Part of our results have been published, and we are preparing to publish more.

Now I will say something important. As we investigate brain activity — either with an electro-encephalogram, or by assessing brain functions like intellect level, memory, and other functions, we realize that we currently use only 5% of the capacity of our brains throughout our whole lives. And then, after we spend some time inside the apparatus — in a space without magnetism — we repeat the same tests, and we see a drastically different picture. We see that our mind’s additional reserves and abilities are activated. We see an increase in memory capacity, increased IQ, and changing zones of electric activity of the brain.

[Rara]

Hi, any update on any of the off-record info Bill said he might retrieve from the pete peterson interviews back in 2010? Also, has David wilcock ever written about it anywhere? Thanks

[GuyFox]

What does one mean when they say "whichever group was behind Dan Burisch/Steven Greer/Colony on Mars"?

You can pick some some material that might support the notion of a "colony on Mars" - in this recent interview:

Dr Richard Alan Miller: "Food for Mars / Holographic Universe" - 2 Feb. 2014

3 weeks ago / 482 views

aaYob1-Iprk

[Limor Wolf]

Another critical point is that this experience that cracked my head entirely open, this experience allowed me to deeply explore all my origins and life, to the point of birth--and beyond. I rewired my head and it was painful -no doubt. The break down was total, and I'd not have it any other way.

This wiring change had the effect of sublimating or dropping the ego-body response from such a high level of control in my life. The body ego response ended up showing itself as LIMITING my intellectual capacity and reach. The body-ego 'freezes you out' so to speak. Like a autonomous hypnotic state that has descended upon the body-edifice and hobbles the occupying spirit body.

MY IQ, I estimated (at that time), at the peak, had extended to 200+ --and beyond. I purposely stepped way from it, as I had one foot in each world and had to make a decision. To stay here with the rest of you--or go. Most of the intellectual capacity and some of ethereal sensitivity stayed, but the incredible magic and connection dissipated. I was in a state where anything, anything at all was possible. But the body could not handle it. Which is why I mercilessly exercised and kept my body in absolute peak condition. The drain was immense. What that state of mind and being told me, is that the stories of old...are true. Very very true. Men stomping around like gods (as seen by this imprisoned state). I was inches away from it, and backed off. Not my purpose.

Which is the overall intellectual level that our spirit bodies (that integrate with our physical bodies) are at. I effectively erased the barrier. But it cannot be held, in my experience, while living in this modern world.

Hello Carmody,

Reading your above post from 2010, I wonder if you are able to expand more on which methodology/device/organic or advanced technology you used which transformed your reality in such a way? or link to a sparate post where you wrote about it in more detail.


Originally posted by Carmody:" Orgone is a tough one. Great at what it does, if we truly understand what it is doing, when we use it, when we build and place it, etc.

the problem with orgone is that it is an open ended system, it is not 'enclosed'. This is by definition, when dealing with unknowns - not a very smart thing to be doing."

What are the disadvantages of an open ended sytem? also, in relations to that, what are your thoughts on the Tensor field, which is a point to point 'enclosed' form of energy if I understand it correct, and more specifically it's efficiency when it comes to building devices such as the tensor rings

Thank you,

Limor

[GuyFox]

Hi - I've read through this entire thread again (so interesting and so current STILL) and wonder whether there's an update on the off the record audio. I also wonder there's been any "sighting" of either Dr Peterson or Alfred Nuuman recently, even just to confirm they are both alive and well.

While writing, and slightly off topic, has anyone ever been on the "Dark Internet" and researched any of the information here . . . . or is it all just about buying spliffs in bulk and machine guns?

For what it's worth, I went to a David Wilcock conference at the end of October. He mentioned many times that he is still in contact with Pete Peterson on a regular basis...but David didn't expand on anything.

Take what meaning from this you will...

:gossip:

Well, I am also in contact with someone who maintains regular contacts with Pete Peterson.

I had a chat with him this past week about whether or not we would ever see a release of PP's technology. He said it was possible in two ways:

+ If someone approached PP and could back a release with money and enough resources, then Peterson might agree. But he did seem to think that he might be a bit difficult to pin down, and to work with

+ My friend knows some people developing technology based on the principles of PP's devices. And they need and want help. The financial size and scale of the help required was not made clear.

I am still investigating this, and a mutual friend has said he would like to pay a visit to PP at his home, so I may have some further news, but I cannot say when that will be.

[Brakeman]

Dr. P's diagnostic technology works precisely when used correctly.

The problem is, most ND's who use it in their practice do so the wrong way and let superstitious thought guide them instead.

Has anyone heard from him recently?

I would like to purchase some materials.

[Operator]

Dr. P's diagnostic technology works precisely when used correctly.

The problem is, most ND's who use it in their practice do so the wrong way and let superstitious thought guide them instead.

Has anyone heard from him recently?

I would like to purchase some materials.

Perhaps PM Sidney (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/private.php?do=newpm&u=455) ... I suggest that because of his post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69455-The-Malaysian-Airliner-Is-NOT-Missing-War-is-ridiculous-Much-more.--Dave-Hodges-&p=809352&viewfull=1#post809352)

[Carmody]

Another critical point is that this experience that cracked my head entirely open, this experience allowed me to deeply explore all my origins and life, to the point of birth--and beyond. I rewired my head and it was painful -no doubt. The break down was total, and I'd not have it any other way.

This wiring change had the effect of sublimating or dropping the ego-body response from such a high level of control in my life. The body ego response ended up showing itself as LIMITING my intellectual capacity and reach. The body-ego 'freezes you out' so to speak. Like a autonomous hypnotic state that has descended upon the body-edifice and hobbles the occupying spirit body.

MY IQ, I estimated (at that time), at the peak, had extended to 200+ --and beyond. I purposely stepped way from it, as I had one foot in each world and had to make a decision. To stay here with the rest of you--or go. Most of the intellectual capacity and some of ethereal sensitivity stayed, but the incredible magic and connection dissipated. I was in a state where anything, anything at all was possible. But the body could not handle it. Which is why I mercilessly exercised and kept my body in absolute peak condition. The drain was immense. What that state of mind and being told me, is that the stories of old...are true. Very very true. Men stomping around like gods (as seen by this imprisoned state). I was inches away from it, and backed off. Not my purpose.

Which is the overall intellectual level that our spirit bodies (that integrate with our physical bodies) are at. I effectively erased the barrier. But it cannot be held, in my experience, while living in this modern world.

Hello Carmody,

Reading your above post from 2010, I wonder if you are able to expand more on which methodology/device/organic or advanced technology you used which transformed your reality in such a way? or link to a separate post where you wrote about it in more detail.


Originally posted by Carmody:" Orgone is a tough one. Great at what it does, if we truly understand what it is doing, when we use it, when we build and place it, etc.

the problem with orgone is that it is an open ended system, it is not 'enclosed'. This is by definition, when dealing with unknowns - not a very smart thing to be doing."

What are the disadvantages of an open ended sytem? also, in relations to that, what are your thoughts on the Tensor field, which is a point to point 'enclosed' form of energy if I understand it correct, and more specifically it's efficiency when it comes to building devices such as the tensor rings

Thank you,

Limor

Sorry Limor, I forgot to answer this one.

I'll tackle it a bit at a time.

In this case, open ended vs closed. Simply a way of describing the 'effects' of the given device, on and with the given environment.

for example, RF or radio frequency type resonating accumulators.

Orgone type accumulators.

Antenna type devices/accumulators.

That kind of device resonates dark matter and creates tremendous interference fields in the immediate area and the resonance CAN build, and generally does. it utilizes the local fabric as part of the action of the system. A fairly large area of cubic volume, where the fabric can be slowly weakened, over time..

It goes back to the dynamo story.

Run a dynamo up to a high speed, and slam it to a stop, and then start it up immediately and get to a specific RPM.

Do the same again, but wait a few seconds to start the dynamo.

The one which was stopped immediately, takes 10% less energy to get back up to speed.

This s due to the local space-time fabric that the dynamo is ensconced within...is still spinning. For a few seconds.

thus, the very fabric of space is manipulated at the quantum/dark level, by the dynamo.

When you get to the idea of resonating the ultra high frequencies in the local space-time via RF devices...well....

With that type of device, it's dimensional leakage and crossing/integration, earthquakes, hurricanes, and all that kind of stuff.

Things like E-cats, H-cats, LENR devices, some of the spinning gravity types, some of the rotating magnet types. In the case of the LENR types, purely closed systems that work on small amounts of 'matter' in enclosed systems that break or breach dimensions like pressure being let out of a container, through a foam that slows the wave. Just an analogy that helps one understand the potentials so that we don't wipe ourselves out.

I mentioned once, the idea of making pyramid orgone devices in the form of an electret, which would probably be one (if not the) of the most horrifically dangerous types you could make, especially since we have no experience in what is going on in the first place.

Much more gentle...... and no resonating the local space time.

[Brakeman]

Thank you, Operator.

[Aurelius]

posted in error

[Carmody]

Why pyramids are so interesting. What they do with and at vortex points. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17872-The-Question-of-Lithium--Alchemy-dimensions-shapeshifters-aliens-existence-reality..-&p=811765&viewfull=1#post811765)

What they are capable of, at the least. This shows some of the energetic patterns that are possible for these devices.

They can be used to serve as a field modulation, accumulation, and translation device. Video of such complex interaction, at the link.

[Limor Wolf]

Thanks Carmody, your top of the page reply has answered some of my questions. And thank you for the information on the very interesting 'technology' from Duke University, plastic and air structured in such a way that it energetically enables the blocking of sound wave. No doubt our future (should we not deplete ourselves beforehand) is based on self sustaining devices such as these, I appreciate the fact that you put an emphasis on keeping responsibilty for the dimensional environment in mind, it is really important In order not to make experiment whose consequences we do not know. I am glad you mentioned it, sadly this is not the current 'consciousness' that accompanies other larger scale experiments with selfish reasons as first priority.

Now, I wonder if there is a way to translate it into something more practical for the random individual? :)


Originally posted by Carmody: " I'll tackle it a bit at a time"

Looking forward to hear more

[Carmody]

Another critical point is that this experience that cracked my head entirely open, this experience allowed me to deeply explore all my origins and life, to the point of birth--and beyond. I rewired my head and it was painful -no doubt. The break down was total, and I'd not have it any other way.

This wiring change had the effect of sublimating or dropping the ego-body response from such a high level of control in my life. The body ego response ended up showing itself as LIMITING my intellectual capacity and reach. The body-ego 'freezes you out' so to speak. Like a autonomous hypnotic state that has descended upon the body-edifice and hobbles the occupying spirit body.

MY IQ, I estimated (at that time), at the peak, had extended to 200+ --and beyond. I purposely stepped way from it, as I had one foot in each world and had to make a decision. To stay here with the rest of you--or go. Most of the intellectual capacity and some of ethereal sensitivity stayed, but the incredible magic and connection dissipated. I was in a state where anything, anything at all was possible. But the body could not handle it. Which is why I mercilessly exercised and kept my body in absolute peak condition. The drain was immense. What that state of mind and being told me, is that the stories of old...are true. Very very true. Men stomping around like gods (as seen by this imprisoned state). I was inches away from it, and backed off. Not my purpose.

Which is the overall intellectual level that our spirit bodies (that integrate with our physical bodies) are at. I effectively erased the barrier. But it cannot be held, in my experience, while living in this modern world.

Hello Carmody,

Reading your above post from 2010, I wonder if you are able to expand more on which methodology/device/organic or advanced technology you used which transformed your reality in such a way? or link to a separate post where you wrote about it in more detail.


Originally posted by Carmody:" Orgone is a tough one. Great at what it does, if we truly understand what it is doing, when we use it, when we build and place it, etc.

the problem with orgone is that it is an open ended system, it is not 'enclosed'. This is by definition, when dealing with unknowns - not a very smart thing to be doing."

What are the disadvantages of an open ended system? also, in relations to that, what are your thoughts on the Tensor field, which is a point to point 'enclosed' form of energy if I understand it correct, and more specifically it's efficiency when it comes to building devices such as the tensor rings

Thank you,

Limor

Sorry Limor, I forgot to answer this one.

I'll tackle it a bit at a time.

In this case, open ended vs closed. Simply a way of describing the 'effects' of the given device, on and with the given environment.

for example, RF or radio frequency type resonating accumulators.

Orgone type accumulators.

Antenna type devices/accumulators.

That kind of device resonates dark matter and creates tremendous interference fields in the immediate area and the resonance CAN build, and generally does. It utilizes the local fabric as part of the action of the system. A fairly large area of cubic volume, where the fabric can be slowly weakened, over time..

It goes back to the dynamo story.

Run a dynamo up to a high speed, and slam it to a stop, and then start it up immediately and get to a specific RPM.

Do the same again, but wait a few seconds to start the dynamo.

The one which was stopped/started immediately, takes 10% less energy to get back up to speed. (with all fudge factors taken care of, the 10% increase in efficiency remains, the raw number is actually higher)

This is due to the local space-time fabric that the dynamo is ensconced within...is still spinning. For a few seconds.

Thus, the very fabric of space is manipulated at the quantum/dark level, by the dynamo.

When you get to the idea of resonating the ultra high frequencies in the local space-time via RF devices...well....

With that type of device, it's dimensional leakage and crossing/integration, earthquakes, hurricanes, and all that kind of stuff.

Things like E-cats, H-cats, LENR devices, some of the spinning gravity types, some of the rotating magnet types. In the case of the LENR types, purely closed systems that work on small amounts of 'matter' in enclosed systems that break or breach dimensions like pressure being let out of a container, through a foam that slows the wave. Just an analogy that helps one understand the potentials so that we don't wipe ourselves out.

I mentioned once, the idea of making pyramid orgone devices in the form of an electret, which would probably be one (if not the) of the most horrifically dangerous types you could make, especially since we have no experience in what is going on in the first place.

Much more gentle...... and no resonating the local space time.



Regarding these matters, when I warned about using electrets in pyramid/orgone devices:

US Patent 8901943 granted December 2 2014

Gravitational attenuating material
US Patent 8901943 granted December 2, 2014 - Gravity Shielding via Electret Materials Note: Professor RC Gupta was inspired by Nobel Prize Laureate, Professor Abdus Salam to research the connection between Electrostatics and Gravity. Google: Gravity as a Secondary Electrostatic Force.

Abstract - A gravitational attenuating material that utilizes an organic based material that has the electrons of the dielectric reconfigured through the use of electrostatic fields, magnetic fields, or photonic or actinic radiation as to render the dielectric less interactive with gravitational forces. The dielectric material is a solid, homo-charged, bipolar binary material having aligned dipoles and made of a polymer and hydrocarbon molecules. Each of the hydrocarbon molecules has at least one aromatic ring and cyclic electron ring current therein. The hydrocarbon molecules are benzene-series molecules, substituted-benzene-series molecules, chloronapthalene molecules, 1,4-dichloronapthalene molecules, chlorobenzene molecules, or 1,2,3-trichlorobenzene molecules.

It has been suggested by the research of Podkletnov, Fontana, Tajmar and others that polarized structures such as rf stimulated ceramic superconductors have a reduced interaction with gravity that manifests itself by the reduction of the readings of a scale on which the material rests.

At present, the Dr Eugnevy Podlketnov gravity modification experiment that involved the rotation of a ytterium barium copper oxide superconductors that was rotated at high speed seems not to have been confirmed by other researchers. The large disc approximating 18 inches in diameter had to be isostatically pressed from the aforementioned ceramic material and then must be of sufficient strength to undergo rapid rotation while being subjected to a rf, radio frequency field. Also, the expense that is incurred in the formation of the disc is most substantial as well as being most difficult to form.

There are few materials in which electrostatic forces are trapped within the material. The most notable is the electret. The term: electret was coined by Sir Oliver Heaviside as the conjunction of two words: electrostatic and magnet. Electrets can be formed from dipolar as well as non-polar molecules. In order to form an electret, dipolar or non-polar molecules are brought to their melting point, then through a series of electrodes the material is polarized by being exposed to a high energy electric field while the material solidifies. In such cases as rosin-carnuaba wax electrets, the material contain trapped electrostatic charges at the interfaces of the two mixed materials as well as experience an alignment of their dipoles.

It is a goal of this invention to produce a gravitationally modifying or attenuating material that does not rely upon the use of superconductive materials, nor does it have the requirement that such a material be chilled to cyrogenic temperatures to produce an effect.

An object of the invention is to create a gravitational modification or attentuating material that reduces the gravitational attraction of the material and materials contained in the vicinity of the material through the use of an organic material. Organic materials are characterized by the presence of a carbon atom, usually the term organic refers to hydrocarbons. Within the group of such hydrocarbon materials is the benzene-series of molecules.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Now read this thread, right to the end:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79986-Stunning-new-advance-in-metallurgy-nano-coated-steel-stronger-and-more-durable

[Dave123]

Hi, I'm new to the forum. I wonder if anyone knows - please - if it's possible to get hold of Dr Pete Peterson's Accucomb mentioned in his interview? Thanks :)

[PathWalker]

Greetings David and welcome to the forum.
A place of miracles, growth and revelations.

I do not have any information about Accucomb technology.
But I do have information about the Cosmodic technology by Let (http://www.scenar-therapy.com/) (mentioned in the Interview).
We use it extensively and it works. Our machine is the cheapest model from 2009 and works fine. We bought it from Ukraine distributor (http://exclusiv-store.com/store/index.php?cat=4) that is honest and supportive (we sent the machine for repair once).
I suggest you research the Cosmodic technology and its like competition.

My research found that it is the best technology for home pain management available. It is expensive but very cost/health effective compared to the alternatives (drugs and/or devices).

Joy and happiness
PathWalker

[Soda]

I bought this in 2010

[Subcoder]

Anything you can tell us about this device? Like how much it costed or how well it worked for you?

[Soda]

Anything you can tell us about this device? Like how much it costed or how well it worked for you?

It cost around $400 I think - got it from a company called Gravity Defyer after I saw Pete Peterson's interview - it's been sitting there for 6 years and I haven't tried it yet. I wanted to try to get someone else to try it on me - my husband won't touch it and thinks I am crazy. All of my trusted friends are far away location wise and I wouldn't dare take it to a Chiropractors office because I would probably find myself "disappeared":silent: I will keep you posted if I get the courage to plug it in.

[Sophocles]

Pete Peterson mentions rat fish (http://www.fishbase.org/summary/Hydrolagus-trolli.html) oil at one point (if I am not mistaken)... I wonder if this is the fish he`s talking about (aka Hydrolagus trolli)?

CV0D6G4CTio

[Bill Ryan]

.
For the helpful record (it's hard to find!), this is the product:


http://greenpasture.org/public/Products/SkateLiverOil/index.cfm

http://greenpasture.org/images/database/3285.jpg

[JRS]

Last week Pete Peterson did an interview with David Wilcock on his Cosmic Disclosure show on the Gaia Network. Cory Goode was not present. The interview is to be continued in this weeks episode. Pete is a really interesting guy. It's too bad that this will not come out on Youtube as way more people would see it then. I wish that Gaia would do a "free" week or something so more folks would have an opportunity to see the extremely interesting material they have presented recently.

[OMG]

I was amazed to see this. I've heard the partial disclosure agenda is picking up speed. Clearly something significant must be coming for him to be given permission to come back into the spot light and speak on such matters. Interesting times we live in folks...

http://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/transcript-cosmic-disclosure-interview-with-the-insider.html

p.s. If anyone finds the video on this and can post it that would be nice.

:popcorn:

[Jantje]

The Project Camelot interview with Pete Peterson is one of my favourites and this new interview is very interesting.
thanks for posting. I would love to see the video too. He is speaking of things he has not mentioned publicly before.

[OopsWrongPlanet?]

Maybe Bill Tompkins' recent emergence and extensive disclosures will help/are helping others to come forward and spill the beans, or spill more beans. He has certainly stated that that's what he would like to encourage by speaking out.

M

[wnlight]

Although Bill Tompkins' recent emergence and extensive disclosures are fascinating, I suspect that this is a part of the partial disclosure plan. Do do not suspect Tompkins of any wrong doing, but perhaps he has been held back under duress until now when he was allowed to write his book and do interviews. I suspect something similar for Peterson. (I have not watched the Peterson interview yet. The spherebeingalliance link is closed.)

[Bill Ryan]

I was amazed to see this. I've heard the partial disclosure agenda is picking up speed. Clearly something significant must be coming for him to be given permission to come back into the spot light and speak on such matters. Interesting times we live in folks...

http://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/transcript-cosmic-disclosure-interview-with-the-insider.html

That link doesn't seem to be working (it redirected to the main blog page) — and after a brief search, I couldn't find a reference on that blog. Can you recheck?




Edit: the link's working for me now. :thumbsup:

[Flash]

Still working for me Bill



I was amazed to see this. I've heard the partial disclosure agenda is picking up speed. Clearly something significant must be coming for him to be given permission to come back into the spot light and speak on such matters. Interesting times we live in folks...

http://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/transcript-cosmic-disclosure-interview-with-the-insider.html

That link isn't working (it just goes to the main blog page) — and after a brief search, I couldn't find a reference on that blog. Can you recheck? I'm wondering if Corey Goode was asked to take down the transcript.

[Bill Ryan]

http://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/transcript-cosmic-disclosure-interview-with-the-insider.html

Yes, the link is working again now. :thumbsup:

The transcript is also cached here, at least for the moment:


http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:J7CHGAxJYWwJ:spherebeingalliance.com/blog/transcript-cosmic-disclosure-interview-with-the-insider.html

In case it happens to disappear, here it all is:

****

David Wilcock: All right, welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, and I am so glad to be bringing you none other than Pete Peterson. So, Pete, welcome to the show.

Pete Peterson: Thank you, David.

David: When you first started talking to me, one of the things you said was so surprising about an extraterrestrial experience that your family went through with you.

Pete: My parents had a big formal English garden out behind our house.

David: Okay.

Pete: And had a nice raised gazebo, orchestra stand, whatever, and they did a lot of city events. This town was about three blocks long, maybe four.

David: Ha, ha.

http://projectavalon.net/Pete_Peterson_and_David_Wilcock_1_sm.jpg

Pete: But people would come and have their wedding ceremonies in the formal garden on the little trellis, grape arbor stand that was there, a raised stand.

David: Okay.

Pete: And we were having this . . . I was 10 years old. I remember that. And we were having this wedding there.

And just about as they were to say their vows, somebody said, “Holy cow!”, or words to that effect. “What's that?”

And everybody turned and looked. And for the next hour, for God knows why, we were given a show of flying saucers. And that's the only thing you could call them. They were every kind of shape and size you could imagine.

Some actually went through the air like subway cars, which you don't see, but like a wild train at Disneyland. And they had little round holes, and you could see that there was something inside the hole, because there was light inside like there would be from an airplane.

David: What were some of the shapes that you saw?

Pete: Well, we had cylinders. And some went this way [vertical] and some when this way [horizontal], but they didn't seem to turn this way [horizontal and then vertical], they just went this way [either stayed vertical or stayed horizontal while moving].

David: How many objects did you see in the sky, roughly?

Pete: Oh, at one time I might have seen 30.

David: Wow!

Pete: And most of the time you saw five or six. Then they'd come by and make passes. They'd come by and go straight up and disappear. They'd come straight down and turn and go sideways. They'd circle around.

There were four little cities there together. There's New Plymouth, Idaho; Fruitland, Idaho; Payette, Idaho; and Ontario, Oregon. It's right on the Snake River. Right off the backside of my father's farm, or my grandfather's farm, is the Snake River. And that's the division between Oregon and Idaho in western Idaho.

And so they were seen by about 6,000 people in those towns.

David: Wow! So you mentioned as far as shapes go that there were vertical cylinders, horizontal cylinders . . .

Pete: There were tops, I called them, because I had a toy top as a kid that you push this thing up and down and it would make noise and spin.

David: Right.

Pete: So there were some of them bell-shaped, and some of them were absolutely just round as this table and then just perfectly rounded on the sides like a traditional flying saucer.

David: Hm.

Pete: But some of them usually had like a cupola effect on it, like a saucer with a cupola, like a control area where you could see out of, and a bottom of it that was there.

And there were some of them that put down landing gear and lifted it. How, I would assume it was landing great rather than . . . It might have been stabilization gear, but three legs would come down.

And they'd have a pad at the end about the size of this table [about 5', or 150cm, in diameter].

And some of them came within, I would say, as close to 60, 70 feet [18~21 meters] from us.

David: Wow! And how many people were in your party?

Pete: There were probably, I would guess, as many as 150 people at this wedding. We had a good-sized backyard, and it was full.

David: And this sighting obviously is so dramatic that there's no denying what's happening. It's not like . . .

Pete: No, it was no fiction of no one's imagination. Everybody had the same story.

David: Right. Were people screaming? Were they running and hiding? Or what was going on?

Pete: I think they were mostly absolutely jaw frozen. I mean, we were . . . It was stunning. And I mean, it was like you went to the final explosion of a fireworks show or something. I mean, it was just boom, boom, zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom, everywhere, all different times, but almost like it was coordinated because they didn't run into each other, and there were so many of them, they could have.

David: Huh. Could you see machinery or rivets on the outside or anything like that?

Pete: Some you could see rivet marks. Some you could see what I would now call weld marks. I mean, there were lines, but they weren't rivet heads or rivets. And some of them were homogeneous.

Several of them were, to me, obviously organic.

David: They had an organic appearance.

Pete: If you look at something engineered by man, it usually has right angles. It has straight lines.

David: Right.

Pete: You look at a banana, it's got lines on it.

David: Sure.

Pete: And it's shaped geometrically.

David: This goes on for an entire hour in front of this whole wedding party?

Pete: For an hour. I'm a kid. I'm 10 years old. I'm guessing it would have been about an hour.

David: One of the first things about you that I find interesting, Pete, is that your family has a direct connection to a very famous scientist. So whey don't you tell us a little bit about that?

Pete: My grandfather on my father's side, a Peterson, was Tesla's right-hand engineer and confidante and a few other things at the Colorado laboratory.

David: So your grandfather had direct access to the Tesla knowledge and technology.

Pete: Right, and was a co-conspirator of that technology, if you would. The problem was that Tesla was . . . His thinking was very different from the thinking of the typical scientific world at the time he was here.

And his ideas were so revolutionary that they appeared to be non-founded. They were so far advanced that people didn't understand what he was talking about, and there aren't . . . The problem I've had my whole life, there aren't words to discuss reality the way it is.

We have to take ancient reality and use those words and then try to talk about it.

David: Hm. What year were you born?

Pete: 1940.

David: Okay. So somehow in eighth grade, you build an antenna whose performance far exceeds that which the U.S. government was normally using for military applications.

Pete: Oh, they didn't have anything like it.

David: They didn't have anything like it.

Pete: Like they had 1,000-watt radios, and they planned on them talking 280 miles.

David: Okay. 1,000-watt, 280 miles.

Pete: I had a 1-watt radio that I could talk anywhere on Earth.

David: Wow! I mean, let's just talk about results.

Pete: Well, the results were . . .

David: You say it could talk to anybody in the world, and if they test that . . .

Pete: You could take their little backpack radios they already had or their little walkie-talkies they already had, and you could talk 8 to 10 times farther.

David: Wow!

Pete: And if you were in a canyon, like where I live in a hole in the ground, if you live in a canyon, you do what's called nuclear vertical incidence skywave. You shoot it straight up in the air, and it goes straight up in the air and comes right back down, but it's on the other side of the mountain.

So now you can talk over the mountain, where before you had no communication over the mountain.

David: How did the government find out that you had done this?

Pete: Because I won the science fair project, and it was antennas, and antennas was a big thing for the government.

David: Okay.

Pete: I mean, they spend millions and millions of dollars. So I built a few antennas for the government. And as usual, I was going to patent it. And I went to patent it, and they said, “Sorry, this has already been taken by the government.”

The first people that look at a patent are some agency of the government.

David: There was a journalist just in 2014 or 2015 who actually said that - this was a whistleblower, a Snowden-type of thing – that all patents must go through DARPA [Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency] first.

Pete: They have to go through somewhere.

David: Right.

Pete: And they do.

David: So that already did come out in the open.

Pete: So I never heard back from them, because I hadn't applied. If I'd applied for a patent, I'd have been paid and all this other stuff.

David: What was the first interaction that you had with the government? Did somebody come to your house? What happened?

Pete: This fellow from the local radio club that I was a member of, local ham radio club, had been involved in that kind of stuff, or was still involved in that kind of stuff.

They had people . . .

David: Government stuff?

Pete: . . . in every town that go to all the science fairs. They go to all the club meetings. They keep their ear to the ground.

David: From the government?

Pete: Yeah, they're paid by the government to do this.

David: Okay.

Pete: Some are agents, and some are just people that had the training, and they retire, and they're good people and have a good record, and they go to them and say, “Well, we'd like you to do this for us, and we'll pay you this much money.” And they usually say, “Yes”.

David: So he finds you at this science fair.

Pete: So he finds me at the science fair, but he knows me, because we're in the same club. And I give talks to the club all the time.

David: A ham radio club.

Pete: Ham radio club. I'm teaching them all kinds of things, and they can double their power and triple their power, or their apparent power, actually.

David: And how old are you at that point?

Pete: 14.

David: Okay. Do they show up to your house?

Pete: They showed up at the school.

David: Okay.

Pete: And took me and contacted my parents and said, “We're going to take him for a while.” Ha, ha, ha.

David: Okay.

Pete: This has happened numerous times. So they took me off, and we went down to some fort in Utah. I don't have any idea where it was. I mean, they drove me around in the middle of the night in circles and circles and crap and took me somewhere.

So I went down there, and I brought some antennas and some antenna manufacturing parts with me, and we made some antennas – showed them how to do it. That was the last I heard.

And then they called back, and they said, “We really want to thank you for this. You're an asset to your country, and you've helped out a lot, etc., etc., and we'd like to pay you something. Would X amount be enough?”

Well, my mouth went open, and my eyes went open, and I said, “Oh.” Then I remembered things my granddad had taught me.

He was a merchant. Ha, ha. I said, “Well, that would be about right.” Ha, ha. So they paid me.

David: Are we talking like five figures, six figures?

Pete: No, no, no. We're talking . . . yeah, five figures, just five figures.

David: Okay. That's very substantial for a . . .

Pete: In those days, it was . . .

David: . . . a 14-year-old kid.

Pete: Yes, siree.

David: So when is the next time that the government contacts you again after you build these antennas for them?

Pete: It was after the third science fair. Two guys come to the school, and they pick me up. And, I mean, in those days we don't have a lot of the problems we have today.

And they picked me up and wanted to take me down to the office. And they showed me . . . one guy shows me an FBI badge.

David: They were wearing civilian clothes at this point?

Pete: Civilian clothes.

David: Okay.

Pete: This is my ID. This guy is my driver. Turns out he was the guy, but he was driving.

David: Ah.

Pete: So they drove me around to talk to me for a while about the different science fair things I'd done and other things I was working on – other things I was doing.

And they said, “Well, we'd like to invite you to become a student of a very famous school.” Ooh, that's interesting.

So they took me to some office downtown, innocuous office.

David: Downtown Boise, Idaho?

Pete: Yeah.

David: Okay.

Pete: It was in the post office building, and it had a number on the door. And I went in there, and the guy that had been the driver became the talker.

And there were two other guys there and they had a long discussion, and they taught me about what White Star Ranch does.

Then they said, “We pick the brightest kids, and we put them into a training program. And we let you go through school as normal through your senior year, except that in the summers, you work for us, and we put you in super laboratories and things. That was . . . Wow!

And so when they found out I was interested in everything, they tried to give me a test. Well, they tested me for three days.

David: What do you think the White Star is?

Pete: It's the name of a . . . innocuous name for a place where they take care of sick, physically deformed, mentally deformed children, and where they take care of geniuses.

David: Okay.

Pete: And you go there and work with them, because I'll tell you, all those kids are geniuses.

David: These are children who have physical deformities, but their mind works?

Pete: Physical deformities . . . Their minds work like you can't imagine.

David: Okay. Okay, so the White Star Ranch has, then, some children with deformities, as you just said, . . .

Pete: Right.

David: . . . and some who are genius kids like yourself.

Pete: Well, they're like Stephen Hawking.

David: Right. Okay.

Pete: And that's just an absolute 100% example.

David: Right.

Pete: And they come in all fields. One of the groups that has one or two groups ahead of me was Westmoreland, Nixon, Kissenger, you know, that whole group of people.

They were one of the groups that was before me. Their thing was geopolitics.

David: So they worked at White Star Ranch.

Pete: No, they were . . .

David: They studied there.

Pete: They studied through White Star Ranch.

David: Okay. How many White Star Ranches in America were you aware of?

Pete: I eventually became aware of probably 20, just as a guess. Some of them were guesses, but they were good guesses.

David: So then 15 is when you actually go to White Star Ranch, age 15?

Pete: That's when I learned about it.

David: Okay.

Pete: And then we visited later.

David: Okay.

Pete: We signed up. My parents signed me away – made an agreement with my parents that they would trade me, and they would give me a college quality education.

David: When you actually start going to White Star Ranch more frequently . . .

Pete: No, no. It's not a place you go to. It's a place that governs you.

David: So you were able to do home study?

Pete: Well, no, I was shipped off to various places and met with probably 40% Nobel Prize winners, spent one on one with them for six months and then spent six months in the field that I'd learned about there.

David: So you're not going to regular school anymore?

Pete: Well, I was until the 12th grade.

David: Until the 12th grade.

Pete: But at the same time, in the summers I was totally tied up.

David: Okay.

Pete: And a couple three times we went to White Star Ranch so that we could learn to work with these Mentats.

David: Mentats?

Pete: Well, that's the only word I know of in the English language, and you'll find it in Dune.

David: These are the people who have . . .

Pete: These are people who have IQs of 300, 400.

David: Physical deformities?

Pete: And they usually have a physical deformity of some kind or a psychological deformity. They have people that have to be in the dark. They have people that can't be near other people.

You have people that have organs on the outside of their body as well as on the inside. You have people that are like Stephen Hawking.

David: But they are extremely bright.

Pete: EXTREMELY bright.

David: White Star Ranch is sounding to me, Pete, like it's a very sensitive, very classified . . .

Pete: It's a first intelligence layer.

David: Okay. And supposedly during this time, the OSS has turned into the CIA, but the intelligence community in the American government is still pretty young. But obviously what you're describing is a vast, well-funded, secretive organization of some kind.

Pete: Okay, I think I see where you're getting. We've had alien contact for the last probably 4,000 or 5,000 years. Now, when I say “we”, I'm talking the society that exists today.

David: Okay.

Pete: The one before us destroyed itself.

David: Right. So are you saying then that the people who built White Star Ranch were working in conjunction with extraterrestrials?

Pete: They had to be.

David: Okay.

Pete: I mean, when I go back and look at how they trained me, the sequence that I was trained in, they had to be involved because they had to want to have somebody that could understand things down the line.

I was being trained for something way down the line.

David: Right.

Pete: I mean, it was obvious to me.

David: Why do you think they would be pulling in kids who are eighth, ninth grade to do that?

Pete: Because I had over 300 inventions that were 25 to 50 years ahead of anything out there. It was that I have a gift of perceiving from wherever. I didn't bust my butt learning things and then become a super inventor because . . . It's just because I had a natural profile.

That's what first picked me up, was I was fitting that profile.

David: Oh, you had a DNA profile that they tested?

Pete: Right, but at that time, it was before DNA. but it wasn't DNA, but it was a profile, things that I'd done.

David: Right.

Pete: I invented 50 things that were 30 to 40 years ahead, and most of them are things that nobody had even talked about.

David: Right. When was the first time that you became directly aware of extraterrestrial involvement in the White Star Ranch program?

Pete: I learned from that program. I learned that there were such things, because I was put down to help reverse-engineer things that were built for . . . obviously, I mean, there's no question about it.

It was . . . Well, how do these controls work on this craft? What do they do? What turns it on? What turns it off?

David: When was the first time that you saw something that appeared to be extraterrestrial hardware or just unusual technology?

Pete: That was about when I was about 22, 23.

David: Okay.

Pete: And what I was asked to do was to say, “This seems to be a control panel. Is it a control panel? If it is a control panel, what does it do in this vehicle that it's sitting in?”

David: Were you in some kind of military base?

Pete: Well, I would guess so because it had a number of electric fences and guards and radar and all that kind of stuff.

David: Okay.

Pete: I think they call it Area 51, but I don't know that it was 51. It might have been 52, but I don't know.

David: Okay. So if you were born in 1940, and you're 22 years old, this is now 1962, right?

Pete: Yes. I was, yeah, 22 years old.

David: How did you see extraterrestrial hardware? What happens next?

Pete: I come up an elevator and get off the elevator. And this hangar has got in a big circle set out wreckage like you would see if they were investigating a crash of some kind.

David: Okay. Wow!

Pete: You know, the whole idea is to wrap it all back up into what it was. Say, “Well that came from over here.” It's like putting a big jigsaw puzzle together.

David: Right.

Pete: So I was taken to what was in the center, which they said, “This is very probably the control panel.” And it was set so that obviously a person that had appendages would sit like this [Pete lays his hands and arms out in front of him on the table].

http://projectavalon.net/Pete_Peterson_and_David_Wilcock_2_sm.jpg

They obviously had three fingers, because there were grooves for these to fit in, things that fit in. Thing that held the hand down.

So it was still something that anti-gravity wasn't perfect for because they were holding it. The anti-gravity craft, you can go upside down and you don't even know it.

David: Right.

Pete: So I looked at it, and I said, “Well, okay.”

They said, “So how do we start it? We want to turn it on, but we don't want to . . . If we would build something like that, we'd build it so if somebody found the crash, and they went in and turned it on, they would all be evaporated.

David: Right.

Pete: So we have to think, “Well, these people are smarter than we are, because we can't build anything like this.” I mean, the speed of it was noticed before it hit, evidently.

And as I asked for it, I was given certain things that would be helpful for me in figuring out answers. They didn't want to give . . . They never want to give away anything they don't have to – “need to know” or however you want to call it.

David: Sure.

Pete: So I played with that for about eight months. And so we kind of found out and found that, “Some pieces hit, bounced, and they didn't belong there. They belonged over here.” Because you'd see a break - obviously [it] was two ends of a break.

And it eventually got set around, and eventually it got put together.

David: Was there anything unusual about the material, . . .

Pete: Yes.

David: . . . like it's alloy or its weight?

Pete: Amen.

David: Okay. So it was very lightweight?

Pete: Very lightweight.

David: And unusual metallic alloys?

Pete: Unusual reflection, unusual finish, unusual joinments, whether it was rivets, was it welds, was it different sputtering? You know, there are all kinds of ways to hook things together.

David: You worked on this for eight months, and I'm curious as to whether any results came out of all the study that you were doing. Did you make any progress?

Pete: When they finished the physical reconstruction, it was functional.

David: Really?

Pete: [Nods head 'Yes'.]

David: Did you come into any physical contact with extraterrestrials during this time?

Pete: One.

David: One. Okay.

Pete: And I think it's the one that was left over.

David: Oh, really?

Pete: It was the survivor.

David: And could you tell us a little more about that?

Pete: Other than height and maybe the ratio of the size of the eye to the size of the skull, the size of the skull to the size of the body, other than that, I couldn't tell any difference at all between us.

David: So this looked pretty much like a regular human being?

Pete: Yeah.

David: But you were notified or informed that he had been piloting this craft at some point? They told you that?

Pete: No. Never. No. Hell, they don't tell that kind of information.

David: Okay.

Pete: That's not a . . . I don't need that to know that whatever, except that he was there to give a lot of explanation later. And he came in probably right at the tail end, probably within a month of my debriefing.

David: So let's walk through that for a second. This guy walks into the room, and aren't you curious about how he knows about the technology?

Pete: He walked into the room and was bringing everybody some drinks.

David: Okay.

Pete: So he's somebody there, one of the guys, etc., etc.

David: Okay.

Pete: And then I sat down, and he sat down next to me, and he says, “Can we talk for a bit?”

And I said, “Yeah.”

And he says, “You're the guy that's doing the reconstruction of the controls?”

“Yeah.”

And figuring them out to start with. And then, “Well, did you notice this? Did you notice that?”

Well, “. . . was the first to notice this,” I knew that he was somebody different. Ha, ha. Obviously.

David: Yeah. Ha, ha, ha.

Pete: And I said, “Yeah, I noticed that, but I didn't see any practical thing yet.” I wasn't done studying it.

And, I mean, you go piece by piece, because you're working on something that's totally outside of the realm of anything that you've ever heard of or seen or whatever.

David: Yeah. But if the control panel is made for hands with three fingers, then that would imply that this guy wasn't actually one of the pilots but may have just been in a position to know about those people.

Pete: Well, you have to understand there's a huge commerce in craft in the universe.

David: Right.

Pete: So I didn't say he was a guy that built it or it was built for.

David: Right.

Pete: He was somebody who had studied it from the outside knowing some of the underlying technologies.

David: When was the next time that you came into contact with extraterrestrial type of wreckage after this first experience?

Pete: Oh, boy, I would guess 26, about four years later.

David: Okay.

Pete: And then I was called in to do a look-over of another craft that was pretty much whole as best I could tell. It didn't look to me like it was a crash victim.

David: More like it was donated or something.

Pete: Well, I think it was traded. There were people, OTHER people, there.

David: What do you mean by OTHER people?

Pete: They were not from this planet.

David: Okay. How could you tell?

Pete: Ha, ha, ha. Well, if you saw one, you would know, because they're not . . . There are some that, as far as I can tell, are worried that they're progenitors or they're ours.

I mean, I can't tell the difference. And I've seen some of the CAT scans and things of those people, and there's no difference.

David: They're just like us.

Pete: As best I can tell. I mean, they have . . . Like when you look at an Oriental, they have an extra fold in their eye that makes them look like they have slanted eyes.

And these people had a little different look to their eyes. There are a lot of breathing mechanisms that extraterrestrials have.

So you look at a lizard, it's just a hole and a scale on the front of the head somewhere.

David: Right.

Pete: And there are some that breathe through the top of their head and some that breathe down through the thorax.

So the differences, if there are differences, are pretty major.

David: So let's walk through this, because this is something that everybody watching this show, they want to hear the truth. This is some of the experiences you've had that people are going to be the most interested in because we've been lied to for so long.

Somebody in your position who gets to see this for real, that's an incredible thing.

So first of all, were you briefed in advance? Did you have to read a bunch of briefing documents before you got to meet any extraterrestrials?

Pete: I had to go through training and briefings and everything and then told that, “You're going to see these things, and what you see stays here with you.”

David: Oh. So you were thoroughly prepared in advance for what you were going to see. They told you that extraterrestrials existed and this kind of stuff before you ever got to actually see this.

Pete: They told me that I would see very strange people.

David: Huh.

Pete: “Don't make any suppositions.” That's what they told me. “Don't make any suppositions. You'll come to your own conclusion. You keep them to yourself.”

David: Wow!

Pete: “And then when you leave the base, you leave them here.” They say you just . . . and he makes this motion [hand covering his eyes]. “You just wipe that out and don't ever think about it once more or mention it.”

David: So you must have been quite nervous or excited, I would think.

Pete: Excited. I was excited.

David: Okay.

Pete: I felt very safe with the people I was with, so.

David: Okay. Now, how unconventional were these first people that you saw?

Pete: I would say from minor to . . . from marginally different, though it's like when you see a person with Down syndrome on a street. You can tell they have Down syndrome from a block away.

David: Right.

Pete: And they're very, very little difference, 3% or 4% difference is all. So yeah, you could look at this person and you could tell by the way they walked, by the way they turned. And that caught your eye.

David: Did their clothing look like ours or was there something different about the clothes?

Pete: Most of it looked like it could have come from a custom shop or something like that, but it wasn't anything like ours. I mean, the buttons were not buttons, and some were magnetic strips, because I was interested in that kind of stuff, anything that I could find that was new and different.

We had different things in the bathroom, different types of stalls.

David: Really?

Pete: Yeah.

David: Ha, ha, ha. Some of them were that different?

Pete: Yeah. On the other hand, one of the things I was going to mention when I was here with you is how alike many of them are.

I mean, the fact that they have four legs. They don't have six legs or five legs or nine legs, and two eyes and the nose and the breathing apparatus in between. Then a mouth, mandible, you know, chin and breathing pipe and ears.

Then there were some later on that came on that were much more insectoid. And so they had . . . And I'd studied grasshoppers and all kinds of things like that when I was younger.

So I knew what their ingestion system looked like and how they sliced off pieces of things or broke them off.

They all pretty much looked to me like they came from . . . I mean, I was thinking about it. I said, “Where would they have come from? What can I see that would tell me that?”

That's how I think about things.

David: Right.

Pete: So I would say, well, I would say they were all from close by because I see differences and sometimes what you'd even call a major difference, but it wasn't really a major difference. It was just a larger, smaller, shorter . . . There are some that have little, tiny, short forearms, for example.

David: Hm.

Pete: They looked like somewhere back in time we all came from the same beginning.

David: Right.

Pete: And then, later on, I got to see ones that were having conversations and doing different things, and they looked really different.

I mean, you could see that like . . . we called them Dracos or Dragons group. And then there's another group that look a lot like insectoids, especially the praying mantis kind of . . . like it may have come from a praying mantis.

David: Right.

Pete: And some speak and some just talk to you in your head. And some do it some other different way. Darned if I know. It's like you know what they're thinking and they know what you're thinking.

David: So when you were brought up to this craft, did you see any extraterrestrials at that time?

Pete: That was my first time seeing an insectoid.

David: Really? So what was . . . That's . . .

Pete: I mean, I noticed that the skin scraped together, and it sounded like fingernail files. It was a chitinous type of . . . or it was an exoskeleton.

David: How did it feel to see such an unconventional-looking being?

Pete: How would it feel to a young person, like, “What the hell is this?” You know, like . . .

David: Yeah.

Pete: For me, because I felt secure with the people I was with, then I felt secure. So it wasn't a fright. I didn't think the thing was going to turn around and eat me.

David: Right.

Pete: And they wouldn't have brought me there for that because they had too much training in me.

David: Right.

Pete: So I didn't have fear from that, but I had wonderment, like “Holy crap!” It looked like it was an insect that was structured – two feet, two legs, two arms, two hands.

Didn't seem to have any wing. If the wings were there, they were well folded. So I didn't see any wing thing to it.

It had . . . It didn't have long antennas, but it had little balls on stubs. [Pete brings two fingers about two inches apart close to the left side of his left eyebrow.]

David: This did not look like a human body with an insect head stuck on top.

Pete: It was definitely not a human body. I would say the legs were that big around. [Pete makes a circle about 2-1/2 inches in diameter with his thumb and forefinger.]

David: Really?

Pete: Like the eye stalks and stuff. They have two things come out like this. [Pete shows his thumbs and forefingers about two inches apart coming out from the side of his forehead about eight to twelve inches.]

They are kind of oval like a flat tube, and then they have the eye on the end of it.

David: Huh.

Pete: But the eye could tilt.

David: Were they compound eyes?

Pete: Yes, they were compound eyes.

David: And how did it communicate?

Pete: It spoke like it had horny plates and things like that that it moved around to make the dissonances and the resonances, stuff like that. It didn't sound like it was coming through a soft-tissue mouth.

It was kind of high, squeaky, raspy.

David: Hm. But it could speak English?

Pete: It spoke English. And there was a definite accent as well, like it would say the same letters we would say. It would say the same letters, and they would sound the same.

There are some species that say the same letters and they sound a little different, like maybe they'd learned Russian first or Sumerian first.

David: And what were you there for? What was the being talking to you about?

You obviously go up into this craft with it.

Pete: Right.

David: Okay.

Pete: Well, being as I had written the manual for the first one, what was being discussed was what's the difference between the controls of this particular device as compared to other devices.

And I only knew them as “other devices”.

David: Okay.

Pete: Now, I did have the knowledge of the first thing that was reconstructed. So I'd seen that. I could see that these controls were very similar, but they were obviously much more modern.

They could have been modern by 400 years. I mean, they were . . . The control did the same thing, but it did it in a whole, totally different way.

David: All right. Well, that's all the time we have for in this particular episode. This has been very fascinating. As always, it's corroborating a lot of things we've heard from others.

So, Pete, I want to thank you for being here, and I want to thank you for watching.

[Krist]

Wow!
Thank you....
My question is why is he allowed to speak now?Is the material so old that it is not sensitive any longer?
The length of time from the last interview...Is he still "handled"? Of all the interviews ,Mr Peterson seems so sincere.The information coming from him just seems so casual,left with a feeling of wanting more for sure.It feels like my Grandfather is telling me a story that is so fascinating and true one cannot deny the information because it "feels" right in some way.
It's better than fiction.Wow!
Whew...I'm sweating,could be the coffee.

[regnak]

Http://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/...e-insider.html

Pete Emerson project Camelot interview was great one of the top of there interviews :)

Click on the first link season 6 episode 15 interview with insider :coffee:

[7alon]

Omg thank you Bill! Pete Peterson, I have to watch this. Thanks to the others who mentioned this as well, I had to edit my post to say that lol. I got excited and didn't check previous pages.

[mgray]

Bill,

Is this some of things that Peterson told you and Kerry and I guess David many years ago, but Peterson would not say it on tape?

If memory serves you three spoke with him at length off-camera about a host of things "that could get you killed" if they were released.

[OMG]

Bill,

Is this some of things that Peterson told you and Kerry and I guess David many years ago, but Peterson would not say it on tape?

If memory serves you three spoke with him at length off-camera about a host of things "that could get you killed" if they were released.

Yea ditto!

Also, I'm curious what Pete will come out with over and beyond what he might have told you guys in confidence...PLEASE share when possible!

:)

[Bill Ryan]

Bill,

Is this some of things that Peterson told you and Kerry and I guess David many years ago, but Peterson would not say it on tape?

If memory serves you three spoke with him at length off-camera about a host of things "that could get you killed" if they were released.Yes, that's correct. Back in 2009, he talked with us the day before we went on camera for 12 hours, right into the evening, about a whole bunch of stuff that he asked to be off-record.

If I remember right, he did mention his childhood UFO experiences (was that in the published interview? Need to check) — but the rest of this latest interview material I think was new.

He was furious with Kerry (I can tell that story again if readers here don't know it), but while we were visiting and filming, he got on particularly well with myself. However, because Kerry and I were a unit back then, after we published the interview — which we did not have the formal okay from Peterson's superiors to do — he cut off contact with us both, and kept in touch just with David.

Important to note here: it can be safely assumed that anything David released was fully sanctioned by the Pentagon. It's interesting and entertaining stuff, but from an official point of view the material they discussed is all totally harmless.

[7alon]

Bill,

Is this some of things that Peterson told you and Kerry and I guess David many years ago, but Peterson would not say it on tape?

If memory serves you three spoke with him at length off-camera about a host of things "that could get you killed" if they were released.Yes, that's correct. Back in 2009, he talked with us the day before we went on camera for 12 hours, right into the evening, about a whole bunch of stuff that he asked to be off-record.

If I remember right, he did mention his childhood UFO experiences (was that in the published interview? Need to check) — but the rest of this latest interview material I think was new.

He was furious with Kerry (I can tell that story again if readers here don't know it), but while we were visiting and filming, he got on particularly well with myself. However, because Kerry and I were a unit back then, after we published the interview — which we did not have the formal okay from Peterson's superiors to do — he cut off contact with us both, and kept in touch just with David.

Important to note here: it can be safely assumed that anything David released was fully sanctioned by the Pentagon. It's interesting and entertaining stuff, but from an official point of view the material they discussed is all totally harmless.

I thought that he told you guys he didn't get in contact with his handler, but he said to publish anyway and would deal with it himself if they had a problem with it? I know you mentioned that he got quite annoyed at Kerry because she tried to push the mind control stuff, which he didn't want to discuss.

[mgray]

Bill,

Is this some of things that Peterson told you and Kerry and I guess David many years ago, but Peterson would not say it on tape?

If memory serves you three spoke with him at length off-camera about a host of things "that could get you killed" if they were released.Yes, that's correct. Back in 2009, he talked with us the day before we went on camera for 12 hours, right into the evening, about a whole bunch of stuff that he asked to be off-record.

If I remember right, he did mention his childhood UFO experiences (was that in the published interview? Need to check) — but the rest of this latest interview material I think was new.

He was furious with Kerry (I can tell that story again if readers here don't know it), but while we were visiting and filming, he got on particularly well with myself. However, because Kerry and I were a unit back then, after we published the interview — which we did not have the formal okay from Peterson's superiors to do — he cut off contact with us both, and kept in touch just with David.

Important to note here: it can be safely assumed that anything David released was fully sanctioned by the Pentagon. It's interesting and entertaining stuff, but from an official point of view the material they discussed is all totally harmless.

Thanks, Bill. I do believe the wedding story was in the interview. To This day I find myself rubbing my fingers with a metal object on the pressure points Peterson spoke about. lol

[Czarek]

Does anyone have one of those metal gadgets? I have not been able to track one, not even a picture.

[Nick Matkin]

From post #161

Pete: I had a 1-watt radio that I could talk anywhere on Earth.

This and the related info needs much more clarification. With 1 watt you can communicate around the world, but it's pretty rare and not using speech modulation.

1) What kind of modulation was being used?
2) Was this 24/7 communication?
3) Was this in one specific direction or in all directions?
4) What frequency was used for this achievement?
5) What year was this? (The WSPR and similar HF digital modes do almost what he describes, but it's very slow. These modes were developed about 1999 - 2001.)
5) He's claiming he described all this in talks at a ham radio club. If his results were demonstrated to be genuine, this would have been big news and soon found its way to the ARRL and other national ham radio organizations. This would have lead to widespread publicity and an amazing development in radio communications.
6) So where's the evidence for this?
7) He does accurately describe 'near vertical incidence skywave' to get a signal over a mountain. Sorry, but it's been done since the 1920s. Switzerland and other mountainous regions use it as part of their domestic radio broadcast network.

As I happen to be familiar with this area of his claims (and am far from convinced by them) I'm pretty sceptical of the rest.

[mgray]

I may be mistaken, but I thought there was going to be a part 2 on the Pete Peterson? Has anyone seen the follow up interview?

[eagle0027]

I may be mistaken, but I thought there was going to be a part 2 on the Pete Peterson? Has anyone seen the follow up interview?

I will most certainly be watching for any further stuff with Pete.Thankfully he is back and hopefully he will continue informing us all of his world.
Must say he is the most genuine intelligent believable person i have ever seen interviewed..unpretensious to boot.
Would luv to talk with him for days..hopefully his inventions will be available to all us earthlings soon.
Be well all

[7alon]

Has anybody here seen this before? They are archived threads of people on 8chan sharing their experiences with something called GATE. Apparently it stands for Gifted and Talented Education. They talk about being taken to a place to be educated and build things the same way Pete Peterson describes in his interview on Gaia. I'd never heard of anybody else talking about this besides Pete until today. The archives are dated to be just over a year ago.

https://archive.is/wced0

https://archive.is/d0pID

https://archive.is/nNVa3

https://archive.is/WWpf9

[Andrew_K]

A new episode of Cosmic Disclosure featuring Pete Peterson was released yesterday. It's titled “Testimony on Pyramids and Underground Cities.” Here's a link to watch it for free. It should be good for a day and a half.

https://www.gaia.com/give?ch=br&token=cj5acwcuk00ew01mfnb988t7c&utm_campaign=freevideoshare&utm_medium=link&utm_source=www.facebook.com

[onawah]

Amazing interview with Dr Pete. Thank you. Please post more if you can as they are made available
(Needless to say, it's very strange indeed to see something like this being offered by the same organization that is sponsoring the Sphere Alliance...
I wonder if some kind of new deal was struck with TPTB, an agreement to feature real news alongside fake news, but without mixing them together as per usual. )

A new episode of Cosmic Disclosure featuring Pete Peterson was released yesterday. It's titled “Testimony on Pyramids and Underground Cities.” Here's a link to watch it for free. It should be good for a day and a half.

https://www.gaia.com/give?ch=br&token=cj5acwcuk00ew01mfnb988t7c&utm_campaign=freevideoshare&utm_medium=link&utm_source=www.facebook.com

[Andrew_K]

The transcript of the episode was just posted today. You can find it through this link:


https://www.spherebeingalliance.com/blog/transcript-cosmic-disclosure-testimony-on-pyramids-and-underground-cities.html

Here it is in its entirety:


* * * * *

David Wilcock: All right. Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, and we have a special surprise for you.

This is Pete Peterson, coming back a year later after our last taping, and there's a lot more that he's been authorized to talk about. So without further ado, I bring you Pete Peterson.

Pete, welcome to the show.

Pete Peterson: Thank you.

David: So you have so much knowledge. It's pretty amazing to try to even figure out what we could talk about first, but we were talking about this before we started.

And it seems like a good place to begin would be the fact that we have pyramids. There's over 500 pyramids in Mesoamerica made of gigantic blocks. There's over 100 to 120 of them in Egypt. And then there's many other cultures around the world that all seem to get the idea to take gigantic, multi-ton blocks of stone, carve them very precisely, and put them in these amazing monumental structures.

Everybody wants to know, what is the insider view of this? Based on your personal experience with government top secret programs, what did they speculate was going on there? Do they have any idea as to how these were built? Does it have anything to do with extraterrestrials?

35705

Pete: Well, I'm going to divert just a little bit here at the first to explain that when I was growing up, I learned to read very early. And the things that I was most excited about was anthropology and archaeology, and King Tut's tomb was big, and etc., etc. And so I wanted to be an anthropologist/archaeologist.

Because of that, every time I've had a chance to stick my nose into ancient archaeology, I've done it.

David: Okay.

Pete: They were obviously built with alien or at least certainly far advanced knowledge from the people that built them.

David: Sure.

Pete: And not necessarily the people that ruled those societies, but at least the people that built them.

So we had a priesthood class that had a lot of knowledge. We had a scientist class that had a lot of knowledge. And they were at the top of those societies.

David: Hm.

Pete: So we had knowledge that we haven't had since that time because, eventually, these societies moved elsewhere or perished for one reason or another – many times because of getting into war with each other.

They were built because, think of it, this is a concentration of mass. Even the Earth isn't all rock, but these were all stone. They were very, very heavy.

They were built in a specific - they called it a “religious mathematical structure”.

David: Uh-huh.

Pete: There was, in their mind, a religion or philosophy-based thing to start with. Secondly, because they needed the informational structure and the informational field that was generated by this much mass in a particular shape at a place and time.

And it allowed them to do ceremonies. It allowed them to do – we'll call it – extraterrestrial communication.

David: Hm.

Pete: It enhanced the – I don't know what other words to say than – psychic talent or psychic abilities of the priesthood that used them.

David: So do you think, Pete, that there was some sort of amplification of the spiritual aspect of that civilization where the pyramid or giant stone structure was built?

Pete: Very definitely. And I think I'll call it “informational”.

David: Okay. What was the effect of spiritual, or as you say, informational, effect on that society? What would the people feel? Or how would it change them when this pyramid was built? What would that look like?

Pete: What we live in is like three separate universes that are one inside the other inside the other with no border.

David: Uh huh.

Pete: And so most of the things that we do in our life here is in two of those fields. And then the informational field is the background of it, and it's what's responsible for what religions call the soul or the spirit.

It's responsible for a good part of what goes on in things like remote viewing, remote influencing.

A lot of it goes on with leadership abilities and what we call the Cabal today . . .

David: Hm.

Pete: . . . and people who have more knowledge than the average person. They have different training. They have considerably different DNA.

They're remnants of very ancient, very, very ancient, back to probably as much as 200 million years or maybe more, of beings that have inhabited the planet at one time or another.

David: Hm.

Pete: And it's what's behind all the esoteric and spiritual writings of the world, despite what, it may seem, quite a bit different in these religions.

A religion has power only because of what it knows that the average person doesn't know.

David: So let me ask you this: What do you think is responsible for these huge stones being able to be fit into those giant structures? Graham Hancock, and guys like that, have pointed out that there's no crane that is capable of lifting those stones in today's world.

So how do you think those stones were moved?

Pete: Oh, they were moved with anti-gravity devices or anti-gravity thought.

David: What would that look like if we were there and could witness this happening?

Pete: It'd look like they were floating, and several people were moving them.

David: Some of the pyramids are widely known. The ones in Egypt, the ones in Mesoamerica, are widely known. But then we have some really strange stuff that most people don't know about, like, for example, about 100 pyramids that show up in China that have flat tops and look kind of like the ones in Mesoamerica.

Why do you think all these different cultures all over the world keep getting the same idea to build such similar-looking structures?

Pete: Well, because it's the structure that gives us its power. It gives us its capabilities. It gives us its utility to the people that are building them.

Most of the flat top pyramids had tops.

David: Hm.

Pete: As time passed, technology advanced, and they learned to build the top little pyramid that sat on the flat top, or truncated pyramids, were able to be done by, as best I can say in English, imagination.

They were actually physically present, but they were there as something imagined – something conjured.

David: Like an energetic structure?

Pete: Like an informational structure, the information structure includes physicality or not, and it includes energetics as well – the power for it. And it includes a shape knowledge.

If you look at the . . . The Tibetans are not an ancient civilization, but they have yantras or shapes that are very, very powerful that they use in their sand paintings, they use in their prayer wheels, they use in their fabrics, they use in temporary drawings that they make for powering something up and causing things to happen.

So there are some societies that call them holy charts or holy graph – 'holy', H-O-L-Y, graph.

David: Uh-huh.

Pete: And, probably, they're more powerful than physical things.

David: How were these pyramids used to communicate with extraterrestrials? How was that done?

Pete: That wasn't what their use was. I mean, they would do rites and things inside of the pyramids as holy structures.

David: Uh-huh.

Pete: Just like in the church, many people go to the church and pray at the church. So it's the center of what would be psychic or holy activity, but it isn't that they used the pyramid for that. They just do it there because it generates fields, informational fields, that are very powerful. But it doesn't work like our communication works. It's completely outside of the physical realm thing.

David: Uh-hm. Are there any pyramids that you know of, or other structures like that, that have not yet been discovered?

Pete: Oh, there are many. There's a lot of underground cities that have pyramids –

David: Hm.

Pete: – ancient underground cities. There are some that haven't been discovered. There are some that were filled up by the natural things of being underground. In other words, there have been several different floods or deluges that have washed them full of sand, or clay – a lot of clay and sand, small particles – and they're clear full, but they're buried underground.

Those have been pretty easily mapped, inadvertently, by spy satellites we've built for looking for underground laboratories.

David: Hm!

Pete: And so you see these structures underground. There are tons and tons of them that have been talked about, but nobody has done much about it, that are under the ocean.

David: Are there any pyramids in Ohio that have not been publicly disclosed?

Pete: I don't know of any that haven't been publicly disclosed, but the people probably doesn't [don't] know about it.

David: Right.

Pete: So they're digging them up there. There are three pyramids that I know of and have seen that are three times larger than the largest pyramid in Egypt.

David: Wow!

Pete: They were part of a city of 15 million people . . .

David: Hm.

Pete: . . . that's been discovered. That city is written about a little bit in the Book of Mormon, for example. The Book of Mormon is not the Mormon Bible. It's a history of the American Indian, . . .

David: Hm.

Pete: . . . and it goes way back. But they're unearthing a lot of that right now.

There are a lot of laws about unearthing archaeological sites, and the problem is that you have cities built on it. Three-quarters of the city has cities built on it.

David: A lot of these books that I've read about the mounds and when they were originally being excavated, even going all the way back to Lewis and Clark going west and exploring America, it seemed like they kept finding giant skeletons in there, and these giants were sometimes nine feet or more tall.

So do you know anything about the giants and how that relates to these mounds or pyramids?

Pete: Well, these were the people who were here, living here at the time, and building those things, and breeding with the . . . There's been a long, long long breeding program to breed with Earthlings.

When I was a child, we used to visit museums where there were samples of . . . there were skeletons of red-headed people. The hair always seems to stay. Red hair seems to stay better.

But there were museums you could go to, especially in Oregon, where there were people up to about 12 feet tall.

David: Wow! Right on display?

Pete: Right on display. Very near there was a place that they used to mine obsidian for making primitive tools.

This was right after they came to the Earth, and they needed weapons, and they hadn't located . . . here's the steel, and here's the copper, or here's the iron.

David: “They came to Earth.” You're saying the giants are extraterrestrial humans?

Pete: Extraterrestrial.

David: Okay. Do you know where they came from?

Pete: We don't have any idea where they came from. There are some that we know where they came from. Some were from Arcturus.

David: But in short, what you're saying is giant, extraterrestrial, human-looking people – people that look pretty much like us but are tall – somehow came here. But then you're saying they had to make tools out of obsidian.

Why wouldn't they have had laser guns and all kinds of cool things like that?

Pete: How many people can you get in a spaceship?

David: I guess it depends on the size.

Pete: And then you'd land on a planet, and what do you have? When we go to Mars, we had to terraform it. When we went to the back of the Moon, we had to terraform it.

You didn't go there, and “here's stacks of steel and stacks of aluminum and stacks of tubing and stacks of girders.”

David: Right.

Pete: So you come there, you have to take a period of time, and it may take quite a while. We're talking now about one of our pseudo enemies or enemies, like North Korea or Russia, popping a couple of e-bombs that would put us back probably 90 to 100 years before we even had electric power in the country again, because we have to build those things.

And we don't have certain phasing transformers and things like that. We don't have large stacks of them waiting to replace something that somebody else blows up.

And when you come to a totally uninhabited planet or a system of planets, you don't have all the building tools there. You have to build the tools to build the tools to build the tools to build the product.

David: Now, I've noticed that a lot of these giant skeleton reports – because I've looked through as many as I can find, and there's hundreds of them – they seem like they have elongated skulls compared to us, which suggests that their brain would be larger for the body than our equivalent.

Pete: Probably it's as much as sometimes five or six times larger. The brain . . . If you look at the shape of the body of an octopus or a squid, even more especially a squid, I think they're probably degenerate DNA products from those kind of people because they look exactly from the side, they look exactly like it.

You have a front cortex area, and then you have a thing that looks like a bag hanging on the back. And that's the way their brains looked. That's the way their skulls looked.

David: To your knowledge, did these giants mess around with DNA on Earth? Did they try to breed themselves out?

Pete: Oh, of course, absolutely. They tried to breed with Earth women. And let's look at what we would do. Most of our spaceships have had mostly men, and you get somewhere, and you know you're going one way, so you get creative.

So not all of them, by the way, in fact, very few of them actually had that type of skull structure. Some of the larger ones did. Some of them had a skull structure almost exactly like ours.

David: Were those different races?

Pete: Different races, and there are very, very different races.

David: So these giants come here with what . . . I'm just going to infer. Since you said that indigenous people built pyramids, the priestly caste was in touch with extraterrestrials, I'm assuming these giants were one of those groups.

Pete: No, the priestly caste were extraterrestrials.

David: Oh, they were? Did these giants bring anti-gravity technology with them? Is that part of what they . . .

Pete: They came that way, a lot of them.

David: Okay.

Pete: Again, when you come to an absolutely undeveloped planet, it takes a period of time to . . . especially when you have to change YOUR DNA so that you can live on the planet, breathe the gases that are here, not be toxified by some that wouldn't be toxic to us but are to them.

I'm relatively certain from things that I know and I've seen, and remembering that basically I'm a scientist, but I'm also an amateur anthropologist/archaeologist, I would think that there have been people here . . . Like I've had access, several times, to the Great Library of Alexandria, which we call the Vatican Library.

David: Right.

Pete: And it has different floors, and it's rated by how many years old the materials that are there.

And you go through several layers where there was writing and several layers where there wasn't writing.

We've had civilizations come and go, come and go, come and go. Some left to go elsewhere because one of the main reasons for going to another planet . . . It's an expensive process no matter who you are or what you have. It's time-consuming and expensive.

They came here to get raw materials.

David: How far back do you think civilizations on Earth that were intelligent have gone?

Pete: I think at least 200, 250 million years.

David: 250 million years?

Pete: Right. I mean, there's evidence for it. For example, in coal mines, we've had some coal mines that go down 3,000 to 4,000 feet. And in the mass of coal, they've broken out astrolabes, which are navigation devices that were set up for navigation throughout at least this galaxy, the Milky Way.

And these were semi-primitive in some ways, but absolutely perfectly filled the job.

David: If these giants come here with technology that can levitate stone and can work stone to make it basically floating like that, did they do anything underground? Were they able to manipulate stone underground, make caverns, anything like that?

Pete: Well, there were a lot of caverns that . . . And again, in the beginning, they came here, nothing was here except what was natural to being here.

There are a lot of places on Earth, because of the type of structure from the Earth, like in Arkansas, a lot of limestone . . . Limestone gets eroded away very easily by water. Lots of natural caverns there. Lots of natural caverns in New Mexico.

They inhabited those first because they needed protection from the Sun, because the Sun goes through about a 29,000-year cycle. Where it's now going into a cycle where we're probably all going to have to live underground.

And I think that opens up the fact that there's a lot of underground things. They did build underground. There are a lot of things underground.

I've visited a lot of highways, I'll call them, underground in South America that are well-known and well-documented. But you go in these underground tunnels that are at least as big as the Chunnel they built from England to France under the ocean.

David: Wow! Tell me how these tunnels that you saw in South America, or wherever else, looked. If you go inside one of these . . . because everybody would love to see this, but we're not generally allowed to. I don't think anybody's ever gotten to film it.

Pete: Oh, there are books, and books, and books written on it.

David: Yes, but nobody has been able to film it. So if you saw it yourself, could you describe what it looks like for us?

Pete: I saw tunnels that had a flat bottom, had a kind of oval-shaped top to them. Now those look very much like natural volcanic tunnels, but they're not. They were actually put in there.

35706

The walls are glass, but it's a flexible kind of glass. And they go for miles, and miles, and miles.

I know I've been on a little vehicle like a moon buggy that they do tours with and so forth, that goes, probably, . . . I think I've been as much as 120 miles down one tunnel.

David: Wow!

Pete: I did highway engineering at one part in my life, and they're obviously designed by engineers. They wouldn't appear naturally at all, and they wouldn't appear even with somebody that wasn't a very sophisticated engineer.

With a tunnel, when it was going over a hump, let's say, it ramps up to the hump, stays on part of a cylindrical surface, and then ramps down to another flat.

David: So help me visualize this. Are you talking about sharp-edged walls that look like it's laser-cut drilling? That kind of stuff?

Pete: Yes.

David: Okay. And you say it's a glassy . . .

Pete: It looked like you had a great big oval drill bit that just drilled it.

David: Wow! But it was flat on the bottom?

Pete: There are places in the early tunnels . . . Remember, time progresses, technology moves. There are places in the early beginning where you could see that it was ground off by some kind of cutter, like an oil well cutting head, where there were striae in the walls. So there wasn't an engineering reason for that. It was because that's the kind of cutter they were using.

Later, they advanced and developed, I'm sure, laser technology.

David: Why would human beings make something underground that was anything much taller than their own heads, because why would you create all that extra space if you don't really need it?

Pete: Because you need the air flow.

David: Oh!

Pete: Or the oxygen flow, or the gas flow.

David: Do these tunnels go to cities, or are they just long roads? Is there other . . .

Pete: Well, the ones that I've seen in South America appear to be roads.

David: But roads to where? Is there a . . .

Pete: I wish I knew.

David: Okay.

Pete: Like I say, I went 150 miles and turned around and came back. We ran out of gas.

David: Did you see any inscriptions on those walls?

Pete: Oh, absolutely.

David: Oh really?

Pete: Oh, yeah, there were . . .

David: Like what?

Pete: Well, symbols, yantras. There are yantras there to protect the people. There are yantras there to keep the glass flexible.

David: Yantras, like mandalas, you mean?

Pete: Like mandalas, yes.

David: Wow! So geometric patterns.

Pete: Geometric patterns.

David: Interesting. Now were these just like engravings in the glass, or was there also color?

Pete: Well, they were engravings, but there had been some type of colorant rubbed into them many times, and many times just an engraving.

David: Did you ever see pictures of people, or spacecraft, or anything interesting like that?

Pete: Never saw spacecraft, but I did see . . . There are various ones of them that have people.

David: Hm. Did they look the same as us, or was there anything unusual?

Pete: They looked like normal . . . minor variations of us. Like there's so many people that are seven feet tall, and there are so many people that are four feet tall. So you'd see the variations. And probably by the percentage of people who lived there at the time, was the same percentage you saw in variations of people on the wall.

You'd see a few small people, and eventually, you'd see a few tall people, and eventually, you'd see a few people that we'd say were within the boundaries of what our shapes are now.

David: Were the different sizes of height of people co-mingling in the same images?

Pete: Sometimes they were, and sometimes they weren't.

David: Are you aware of anyone finding unusually technological gadgets down there, like a hologram or a laser?

Pete: I know of nothing that was found in South America like that.

David: Okay.

Pete: And I mean, I looked, because I'm a technical guy, and I'm a . . . So it's one of those things I look for.

For example, I found tons of things in the British Museum that they had stolen from people that they . . . You know, the British ruled the world at one time.

And then the British Museum, and in the bottom of the Smithsonian, for God's sake, there's multiple stories of all kinds of stuff that they don't have the slightest idea.

David: Was there anything in the British Museum Library or the Smithsonian that you got to see that was so jaw-droppingly, obviously technological, like a really nice metallic form that looks very futuristic. Did you see anything along those lines?

Pete: Not along those lines, but I saw craft. I saw vehicles.

David: Really?

Pete: Yeah, in the structures itself, they were structures, a place to stay out from under the Sun, and under the rain, and live.

I didn't see people like you'd expect to go to New York and see highly architecturally decorated and built houses and things like that. I didn't see a lot of that kind of thing. And that's from an anthropological aspect rather than an engineering aspect.

They had, obviously, very advanced technology in building things, but as you would go from the tunnel entrance . . . very crude.

And as they built these tunnels, they were probably looking for minerals, and then a place to put more people, because there were quite a few people we know of that came here because their planets were crumbling or their system was crumbling.

And we're in a place where ours was going to go through a little spout of that, bit of that, but it's gone through it 12 or 13 times in the history that I know of, . . .

David: Hm.

Pete: . . . because we have this 29,000-year solar cycle.

David: Right. Earlier in our interview, you mentioned that there were underground cities that you said actually had pyramids built into the city.

Pete: Yes.

David: Could you tell us a little bit more about that, and is there any relationship between that and these tunnels?

Pete: Well, yeah, there has to be a relationship between the tunnels because that's how you get to these cities.

David: Okay.

Pete: And there are cities that are very large. There's one, there's a waterfall and with an automobile driving light – which is probably, I don't know, 300,000 candlepower – you can shine up, and you can just still see it coming. You can't even see where it fails from – in a mountain in Utah that I've been in extensively – and it's a 12,400-foot mountain very near population.

It's got several different caves that are commercialized, that are owned, probably, by the government or maybe by private parties, I don't know, but I've been in.

Some of them, you can go back in these caves as far as 17, 18 miles. You can row across a lake that you can't see the other side of. That's got a waterfall that's falling.

And this whole mountain, the very top of the mountain . . . I've hiked to the top of it when I was much younger and in much better condition. I've gone up to the 12,000 [foot] line. I think it's 12,400 and some feet.

And the soil right there is loaded with seashells, ancient seashells.

David: Hm.

Pete: So that whole mountain has risen up since we had these particular type of brachiopods and other types of sea creatures.

David: If pyramids have been found in underground cities, do they have a similar composition to the pyramids we see on Earth? In other words, are they made out of blocks of stone that are fit together? Or is there something more bizarre about those pyramids than the ones we see on Earth?

Pete: I see nothing more bizarre. They're made out of the materials that are usually nearby or inside.

David: Okay.

Pete: And remember, we're building that for its shape because its shape affects one third of the universe as to information.

David: Sure. I've done a lot of episodes of Wisdom Teachings on pyramid technology and how the actual shape does create these effects – very bizarre effects.

Pete: Absolutely.

David: So you're saying, then, that there's a civilization where the pyramid is not going to hit the roof of this interior cavity inside the Earth.

Pete: No. And also, we talked earlier about the truncated pyramids. There are truncated pyramids underground. That was more modern because we learned how to do . . . like, for example, the Great Cheops Pyramid. We know it had capstones on it that filled in the steps of the pyramid.

David: Right, the casing stones.

Pete: The casing stones. And they came down a certain way and stopped. That part of the pyramid and that shape, the rest of the pyramid concentrated information, and then that information sat up there in that top part and beamed up.

David: Are there any cities in which some of these people that built them actually still live and have survived?

Pete: As far as I know, the only one that I know of is the one in Antarctica.

David: Could you tell us a little bit about that?

Pete: Well, there was a crash there about 200,000 years ago. And at that time, it was tropical. There were palm trees there. Where the crash was, there were palm trees. That's about three miles under the ice now.

That's being excavated. They're putting a huge tunnel down into that one.

A lot of these ancient things look like some of the early science fiction movies, where they were trying to presume what the future was like, but way off from what happened. We advanced very rapidly.

My grandparents came out in covered wagons. So there's a tremendous advance in technology. You see a very definite change in the technology.

So the early stuff, the low stuff, that's down underneath two or three other layers of civilization, is very ancient, seemingly very ancient civilization, probably where they would have used these gear-driven navigation instruments. But the navigation instruments, the gears, the gear ratios, were all set up for this galaxy.

David: So what are we going to find when we look at Antarctica if we get the truth?

Pete: You're going to find several layers, separate layers, of occupation. You're going to find several separate layers of what the exterior was like at the time that civilization was there.

Only the last layer was it really Antarctica. Prior to that, it was a tropical island. And part of that, it was part of a very much larger island, probably good pieces of it were pieces of Atlantis that actually picked up and moved down there.

Because it's like there are several parts of Atlantis that we find in the ocean, parts were left behind. There were a lot of parts that were highly radioactive and are still radioactive, parts that were destroyed.

But down there, one of the things you're going to find is those people, in the beginning, the early people down at that low level, were all giants. And some of them, as much as I understand, as much as 37 feet tall.

David: Wow! Well, I hate to stop you there, Pete, but that's all the time we have for in this episode. I'm David Wilcock. This is “Cosmic Disclosure”, and I thank you for watching.

[onawah]

:bump: That's about as proof positive info re ETs still living underground in Antarctica as we are likely to get at this stage.
I can't imagine it would be much fun living underground if you are 37 feet tall...though he didn't say that those particular ETs are still alive and living there now, though he said they were at one point, at least.

[sunwings]

Interesting reading but obviously rehearsed, scripted and slightly unbelievable. Anything coming out of GAIA needs to be read in pencil not ink. It all fits in well enough with what we have been reading so far but again Gaia are pushing an Antarctica theme, trying to get us to buy into a disclosure. Gaia seems to be like a toll road and people are willing to pay to get somewhere faster but it doesn't feel like the right route.

[Andrew_K]

Yet another episode featuring Pete Peterson was released today. This one was a bit more interesting than the last one. I heard that next week's episode will also feature him. Here's a link if you want to watch the episode for yourself. It will be live for 48 hours:



https://give.gaia.com/cj5jyhno4000k01m99wm3vg3p

As usual, I will paste the transcript here as well.


* * * * *

David Wilcock: All right. Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, and I'm here with none other than Pete Peterson. So Pete, welcome back to the program.

Pete Peterson: Thank you.

David: We were talking in a previous episode about giant extraterrestrials that you said came here. And we ended on kind of a cliffhanger.

You said that to the best of your knowledge, there are crashes in Antarctica. And that the lowest of these crashes occurred where it was still a continent that did not have ice on it but was more like a tropical type of environment.

35750

Could you tell us a little bit more about what happened there? And you had said something about people that were as high as 37 feet tall.

Pete: It's my understanding that some of the people from that . . . We call it the 'lowest crash' because it's deeper under the ice.

And along with . . . What happened was, there was a spaceship crash. You'd think that people with high technology would have less crashes, and they probably do. But when you think of coming across the galaxy and the fact that they are probably going to be . . . At that time, they probably didn't have time travel. Or they probably didn't have a way to put people to sleep with no degeneration over long periods of time.

David: Hm.

35749

Pete: You know, there are many things that can happen. And as perfect as man, or modern man, or ancient man, or far more intelligent man than we are, builds things, they're still going to have problems.

There are electronic parts that you build them as good as you can. We've done tons of beautiful things for outer space.

We've built them up so that they won't be hit by micrometeorites. We've built them up for a number of reasons, but we still don't get everything. So it's natural that they would have crashes. We've had a lot of UFO crashes.

David: Do you think it's possible they were in a war, that they might have been shot down?

Pete: Well, now, there are always . . . there's always been wars. But there have been things like the terrestrial, in other words, the nearer a planet, navigation and steerage of a lot of these early craft were done based on magnetic lines.

Well, when you get near a pole, the magnetic lines, instead of being nice and parallel, and parallel to the surface, where you could go over the surface, the poles they bend in.

David: Right.

Pete: And go in the electromagnetic or geomagnetic pole; they go in. Well, here's a craft that's stabilizing itself on these things, and all of a sudden it gets sucked sideways and down to go in.

And so that's why there were probably more crashes in the Antarctic and Arctic regions.

David: Do you think there was something that was desirable in that area for why they wanted to try to land there even if there is this problem with the magnetic field?

Pete: Well, why did we want to go there? Why do we have a huge ice station there? There's all kinds of things that happen in the different environments that's there.

There's a lot of growth of organic chemicals, organic living chemicals. There's a lot of growth that can happen there that can't happen where we have a downward gravity rather than an inward gravity.

There are a lot of minerals and metals processing, semiconductor processing tasks, that can take place when gravity is different, and when the electromagnetic field is different.

David: What was the approximate size of this ship to your knowledge – the oldest one?

Pete: The oldest one, I think, was probably about 300, maybe 300 feet in diameter.

David: How was it first discovered in modern times?

Pete: It was discovered by some of our spy satellites.

David: About what time did we start to try to get down there and explore this ship, that you know of?

Pete: Oh, boy. I had to be, I don't know, 16 years old.

David: Hm.

Pete: I'm 77.

David: 77 now?

Pete: 60 years ago.

David: 60 years ago? So 2017, we're talking about . . . now we're talking about like the late 1950s?

Pete: Yeah. Yeah.

David: What was the level of excitement about this kind of discovery? I mean, that sounds way more interesting than Roswell.

Pete: Well, we couldn't tell exactly what it was. In the beginning were lumps, you know? They're lumps, but they're not lumps that appear to be made by nature. They're lumps that appear to be made by man.

David: Right.

Pete: In other words, their geometricity was something that man would have done. So that's what got us excited.

But, they're, you know, they're three miles deep in an area that's . . . would freeze you in about 30 seconds if you don't have proper clothing on on the surface.

And so you have to have special tools to even go after it. It's three miles deep. How are you going to go there?

You know pretty much that where this was, was in a valley, because there are mountains – there are mountains underground that are probably 2½, 3 miles deep, or high.

David: Right.

Pete: And so, you know, it's been known to be there. Because of the fact that it was known, that's where they built some of the ice stations over the top, so eventually, maybe, we'd find a . . . drill a hole, or find a way to go down.

Also, there are layers of things that are obviously man-made things coming up from that area, because it's now . . . That ice there is now three miles plus or minus deep.

David: Did anyone find a hatch or a door or anything that would eventually allow them to get inside the ship?

Pete: No.

David: Okay.

Pete: It looks like . . . It looks like . . . I mean, the vegetation . . . There's a lot of vegetation surrounding it. That's kind of blurred the view that we had in the meantime, because the carbon absorbs radio waves, which is what we had to look at things.

So as our technology grew, we found better ways to look at the same pictures.

David: Well, could you just give us a view of what the hull looked like? If we eventually got to the point that we could reach the hull . . .

Pete: Oh, I have. We made the hull. [Note: I think, Pete thinks David has said 'hole',] It was all . . . It was all ice.

David: Okay.

Pete: So we're digging it out.

David: What did we see when we finally got down to the hull? What did the hull look like?

Pete: Well, it was metallic. It was long and tubular.

David: Did there . . . Were there any structures on it, or was it just totally smooth?

Pete: It had rivets, but they were surface rivets. I mean, they were chamfered, chamfered in, so they'd rivet. But that's not a rounded head that sticks up off the . . . off the surface.

David: Was there anything unusual about the material of the hull?

Pete: Oh, yes, very unusual, very unusual characteristics. We've not ever found – and this is normal, I would think – we've not ever found elements that were different from our normal table of the elements.

I mean, we say, “Okay, you have a nucleus and so many protons, so many neutrons.” And then you have electron rings. Let's say there are different rings around that.

David: Right. The periodic table is all there is. That's everything.

Pete: Yeah. But we have found some that can be . . . There are things that can be radionically changed. Like, for example, a water molecule has been used for . . . water's been used for healing for as far as back as we have history.

And the way that they use water for healing is that they lay on of hands and give it a different, a different . . .

David: So you're saying there was some material science breakthroughs in the hull? Could you tell us?

Pete: Oh, absolutely. I don't know what they were. That wasn't my . . . why I was involved at the time.

David: But what was strange about the hull? What was the physical thing we could observe?

Pete: Oh, what was strange about the hull was, it was there; it was as old as it was. We knew that people had visited here long before there were human beings, long before there were apes, long before there were any precursors to human beings.

I mean, we've gone through numerous complete changes.

David: You had told me before that when people tried to cut a piece out of the hull and pull it away that something happened that was unusual.

Pete: Yeah.

David: What happened?

Pete: It didn't cut out and it didn't pull away. Ha, ha. It pulled back.

David: It pulled back?

Pete: It was bent to be part of what it was.

David: So there was some gravitational weird attraction?

Pete: No. It was an informational field that was built around it, which is where . . . which is where after probably 15 years of study, I kind of figured out that there was a whole set of science that was dealt with . . . dealt with information.

David: You're saying that the hull had self-healing qualities?

Pete: It had self . . . It had self-preservation qualities.

David: So if I tried to cut a piece out, what would happen if I tried to pull that piece away from the ship?

Pete: Well, you would, say, probably start with a diamond saw. Today, you would start with a cubic boron nitrite saw – four times harder than diamond. You can cut diamond with it like butter.

And it started with a saw of some kind. You might have started with a torch. We tried a torch.

The metal would get metallic and you'd pull the torch away and go back, and it would be exactly the way it was before it got metallic.

David: Wow!

Pete: And it wouldn't run down the side. It would kind of wobble like an egg white.

David: Was there speculation that there might have been nanites inside the material, like nano robots, that were doing this?

Pete: No.

David: Huh.

Pete: I mean, that . . . I think there were those things at that time, but they wouldn't have been used there in that place.

David: What happened if there were larger cracks in the ship? Like, let's say that it broke in a certain area, water got in, it turns to ice and the ice expands?

Pete: It didn't work that way.

David: What happened?

Pete: It self-healed.

David: Hm.

Pete: I mean, they weren't cracks, there were bends. But it was like . . . It was like, you know, trying to stretch a shoe sole. You know, they're built to be flat and you walk on them, but you can bend them more than 90 degrees, and you put them on and walk on them some more and no damage.

So the metal was very, very, highly flexible.

David: So as the ice melted and turned to water, what happened to the cracks, if there were any cracks in the hull?

Pete: Okay, what we're talking about is ice inside the craft which expands as it freezes.

David: Okay.

Pete: It pushed apart in certain areas. It looked like this thing might have been built with a design in, again, six-sided tiles that fit together.

And it – like playing with magnets – that they would have magnetically stuck together but melded.

David: Wow!

Pete: And so when you tried to tear the thing, it like came apart and in like bricks that it was made out of, like LEGO blocks, in a way – not as technical as LEGO blocks.

David: Okay.

Pete: Just sides that fit. So it evidently shut it off.

It also appears that when, in that original time . . . Remember, it was a tropical area, not semi-tropical, a tropical area.

It looks like it might have been moved there. A part of it might have been moved there, because it looks like the freezing that took place . . . because this craft was completely waterproof. So it looks like what happened was it started freezing, it started making pressure, these blocks started coming apart. And it may have been even magnetically, because they had some unbelievable magnets.

But anyway, it looks like these came apart, water got inside, then it froze, and then it shoved out, some of this stuff came apart.

And then when they got some heat down in there – to get the heat out so they can see what's inside this thing, you know, what kind of machinery is here, what kind of control surfaces are here – it went back together.

David: Wow!

Pete: And there were no . . . You know, there wasn't . . . There weren't places that were bent, like permanently bent.

David: Were there individual quarters, living quarters, for the people in the ship?

Pete: Again, that was out of my time. That was later, much later.

David: Okay.

Pete: I mean, they played with that thing for a long time. And we had a little hole that you could . . . it was like trying to climb into the Lunar Lander, you know, 3½ miles. Ha, ha.

David: Ha, ha.

Pete: I know that there were several people hired who had been contortionists, trying to get into some of the interior stuff.

David: So you said that you did have more contact with what was on the second layer?

Pete: Yes.

David: Well, let's get into that a little bit. Now, tell us first of all, is there any relationship between the ship at the bottom and the ship on the second layer? Were they . . .

Pete: They were extraterrestrial.

David: Okay.

Pete: That's about the maximum thing in common. I mean, they were probably, at least that one, was powered with . . . it had some anti-gravity in it.

David: The second one, you mean?

Pete: The second one. It had the same rotating masses and electromagnetic rotating, electromagnetic counter-rotating, electromagnetic fields.

And I guess the one that's there today, again, is another one I know almost nothing about.

David: What do you mean 'the one that's there today'?

Pete: Well, there are three layers of these things.

David: Okay.

Pete: Three crashes. And strangely one's down about a mile, and one is about two miles, and one's about three miles.

David: Hm. So tell us a little bit about what was discovered with the second craft. Was it a newer . . . I'm assuming . . .

Pete: Oh, much far different. It came from a whole different part of the universe, I'm sure.

David: Okay.

Pete: There were things that were similar, which told me that there was probably commercial traffic/communication between those societies.

David: Hm. Okay.

35751

Pete: And wholly different controls. Those people had three fingers, so you had a place that your hand would fit into an indentation in a control surface. And it was . . . You had two thumbs, opposing thumbs, one on either side, and a main finger.

David: Hm.

Pete: And we can later get into how that got me going on the Tower of Babel and what got confused, but we now have five fingers. We have five fingers specifically because we were confused with counting in tens.

David: If these people had three fingers, are you saying that they used base 6 in their calculations?

Pete: I have a dear personal friend of many, many years – 30, 40 years – who is just about to publish a book. And we show a base 6 mathematics in which 99% of all of our mathematics is proven absolutely wrong.

David: Did we inherit this system from them, this base 6 system, do you think?

Pete: I think that that was a good part of why my friend has been examining the base 6 system now for about 13 years.

David: Okay.

Pete: I don't think they . . . They not only didn't teach us that, what they did was gave us five fingers from three, or they gave us five fingers from six.

And when you look at the words that I've seen written – this goes back 67,000 years – when I see the words that were written, I can't tell in translation whether it was three or six.

David: So we have this interesting time counting system where there's 60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour, 24 hours in a day. A lot of this stuff would be called a sexagesimal type of system. So there's a lot of 6's in the time system.

I'm wondering, is that related to this inheritance that we got?

Pete: It's in everything. Remember, I told you the universe was tiled with six-sided tiles?

David: Yeah, it has to do with sacred geometry.

Pete: There are three universes: body, mind, spirit; Father, Son, Holy Ghost. It's all over, everywhere.

And if we use a mathematical system based on 6's, everything changes. Pi instead of becoming a long, long, billion long, random number, becomes just a simple series of groups of three.

David: Are you saying that if we look at something like pi, where right now 3.14159 that just goes on and on, does that become more like an integer if you do it in base 6?

Pete: Absolutely.

David: Okay. Do you still get decimal points?

Pete: And there's no such thing as infinity.

David: Hmm. Really?

Pete: Don't have to go there.

David: What would happen to pi if we did it in base 6, in this special math you're saying?

Pete: Well, from a practical standpoint, look where we've got in using pi as, you know, 3.1415 . . . you know?

David: Right.

Pete: Is it practical once you get past a certain point? You know, you're in billionths of an inch. You're smaller than the dimensions of the atoms that you're making things out of for machining and stuff.

So in that respect, that's, you know, it's okay. It's nice to know. But in the respect of where that leads us in astronomical dimensions and shapes and distances – very important.

I mean, you go out 700 light years, and one billionth of a degree is going to put you off a half a billion miles.

David: Sure. So let's get back to the chair, now. You said that these beings had three fingers. You said two of them were like thumbs and that they went into indentations.

Pete: Right.

David: Could you give us any more information about how they were actually able to control the ship from there?

Pete: Well, that was my job, was figuring out control and how was this thing controlled? And it wasn't a chair. It was actually a panel that kind of dropped off so that . . . They had arms somewhat like ours, I guess. So it dropped off.

And so you have a thing that your hands would have just fit right into, down into it. And then there was a clamp that came over about where an elbow would be. It would be a longer forearm. Anyway, it went down in and held it there.

So there were some stress forces, or they wouldn't have had a clamp there. And not a whole lot, because it wasn't a heavy duty clamp and a long thing like a cath.

David: Real quick, were the fingers longer than ours?

Pete: Yes, oh, much larger. Much larger!

David: Really?

Pete: Probably that long. [Pete spreads his index fingers apart to show a distance of about eight inches.]

David: Wow! Okay.

Pete: And the shorter fingers on the sides.

David: I'm not understanding, though, how they controlled the ship.

Pete: Well, they moved their fingers.

David: What would that do?

Pete: Every single thing to control a ship, everything.

David: Okay. Wow!

Pete: Yeah. And those units that it fit in were like a one-sided glove. The actual unit moved as well as the fingers, so you had a lot more control parameters.

And one of them stabilized, one of them did the tilt, speed or slow down, speed.

David: Were you able to tell how many joints they had in their fingers?

Pete: From what I looked at, I would say they probably were more like a . . . built like a worm or a snake, rather than with joints. But my understanding, from what I've seen, was they had joints in them.

David: If these beings have three fingers, and you said that there is a theory that we have five fingers, did they somehow modify our DNA on purpose?

Pete: That's what the Tower of Babel was all about. I got seeing what this mathematician/philosopher that I worked with . . . I got seeing . . . And then from things I've noticed in the past, because I try to be a good observer, when things I saw in the past, the Tower of Babel and confusing the languages didn't make sense to me.

So much happened when that happened, when that occurred – at the time that occurred – far more than changing the language.

David: All right, let me say something dumb, just so everybody, even the kids who watch this, will understand this – because we do have kids eight years old, and I'm not saying they're dumb, but they might not have heard about the Tower of Babel.

So the idea is that at one time, everyone spoke the same language, could talk to each other. And then something happened that caused us to have separate languages and be spread apart?

Pete: No.

David: Okay.

Pete: Not at all.

David: Could you explain what the Tower of Babel was?

Pete: It was exactly the other way around.

David: Oh!

Pete: Everybody, every different race, came from light years, or millions or more light years from each other. They all had totally different languages.

We had a predominant language on Earth – different story. We had a number of aliens on Earth. And like we learn to speak . . . In Africa, there's a kind of a common language. Swahili is a common language.

David: So you're saying there was an attempt to make a common language for all these extraterrestrial immigrants on Earth?

Pete: That's a natural thing.

David: Well, how did this relate to five fingers?

Pete: That's where I'm coming.

David: Okay.

Pete: I just need to get there.

David: Okay.

Pete: Okay. So I got looking at the Tower of Babel, which was supposed to have confused our languages. That didn't make any scientific or mathematical sense to me whatsoever.

So I said, where am I going to learn? Well, I know that the Vatican Library contains 80% of the Tower of . . . or the Great Library of Alexandria, the part that didn't burn. I know they have books that go back 72,000 years that are much more technical than the books today. We still haven't been able to figure out how to read many of those.

But we've gone through a number of different groups of people that were here on the Earth, running the Earth, living here. And so I said, what I need to do is look at what happened at the Tower of Babel, because it didn't make sense.

So what I found out was, what they didn't . . . they altered some parts of the language. Yes, they confused some of them. But they also . . . The main thing they did was changed the counting base.

And that made all the sense in the world, because you can do things with 0 through 5 mathematics. You can do things with that, that are totally different than anything you can do without that. And it's very subtle, but it's so totally important. It changes everything scientifically – everything.

David: So are you saying that the development of five fingers, in some way, threw us off from this ideal mathematics?

Pete: Totally threw us off, because you can use either 3 or you can use 6 – it's just two 3's.

David: Right.

Pete: So we have two 5's, so we go to 10.

David: Was this . . . Do you think that this . . . If this decision was made to give us five fingers, do you think that was done voluntarily?

Pete: No, it wasn't done voluntarily. They simply changed us – boom!

David: Okay. And why would they want to confuse people on Earth? What would be the goal?

Pete: Because man, or sentient beings' personal philosophy, is pretty much the same. We all started out trying to survive somewhere.

And so we needed to have survival mechanisms. And then we came up with mathematics. And we needed to have mathematics in order to do the engineering and things, so forth, things that we've done.

You can do that with any base, set of base numbers.

David: Right.

Pete: Like all of our digital world is base 2, 0 and 1.

David: Can you tell us, what is so special about the number 3? What is it about 3 that makes it so intrinsic to this number system?

Pete: Okay. We know, as best I know, nothing about the informational world. The informational world is the structure of the world we live in. It's the structure of the whole universe. Everything in the universe appears as 3's.

David: What are some examples?

Pete: Size, shape, gravity, travel, speed of light, light, electronics, you know, everything. EVERY SINGLE THING that's physical in the universe is based on 3's.

And I mean, everything, even to the point that, how many . . . like, if you . . . I've spent 10 years in the Marine Corps. And you learn that one person can control three people.

David: Hmm.

Pete: You have one platoon commander, and he has three squads. Each squad has three fire teams. Each fire team has three people.

And you'll find out, throughout history, you look at the structure of almost all churches, you have a pope, and then you have two bishops, you know, on and on, and on. And then they have sub-bishops. And it's everywhere.

And the tiling of the information of the universe is on six-sided tiles. It's like a soccer ball . . .

David: Right.

Pete: . . . which is three triangles to make a six-sided device. So you can use 3's, 6's, 12's.

You look at, say, just take our . . . take the last number. It isn't 10, it's 9. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.

David: Right.

Pete: You look at 9. 9 times 1 is 9, two 3's. 2 times 9 is 2, six 3's. Six 3/s add up to what? 9.

Two 3's add up to what? 9. Take 5. 45, 5 and 4 is 9.

David: Yeah.

Pete: You take 9 times 7 is 63. 6 and 3 is 9.

So it's very interesting how that spreads as the base net, like we're woven onto a net. And the whole net is based in 3. Everywhere you see a junction on six-sided . . . take six-sided tiles. Everywhere those sides of those tiles line up, you have a junction of three things. Every junction has three things coming together.

David: I'm curious about whether this has anything to do with fractal mathematics? Because when you zoom in on that Mandelbrot set, you keep going in and you keep seeing the same structure appearing again and again.

Pete: Yes, and you'll see that it's all six-sided once you get to the base of it.

David: Ah! Do you have any idea what Tesla said about the number 3?

Pete: My grandfather was Tesla's right-hand man at Colorado Springs, here. And I have all that information, was taught it from the time I was a child. And, yes, Tesla knew this.

Tesla was one hell of an engineer, but he also was obviously visited.

David: Right.

Pete: But he understood it, which, for them was unfortunate. But that's . . . Ha, ha.

And for us, he scared the hell out of us, and so he was put against his whole life.

David: Hmm. All right. Well, that's all the time we have for in this episode. There's still a lot more to talk about regarding Antarctica, and this fascinating story about the number 3, and people who may have naturally counted that way because that was built into their physiology.

All that and more is going to be coming up in a future episode of “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm here with Pete Peterson. And I thank you for watching.

[Spellbound]

Thank you for posting these interviews with PP. I've tried searching You Tube and there are only the Camelot interviews with him....not much else. Here's my problem here. Cory Good is fake news. David Wilcock is associated heavily with Good these days. That being said, I'm not sure I can put much stock into anything that is presented by Wilcock. Perhaps I'm being too critical here but I was always taught that if A = B...and B = C.....therefore A = C. Is anything that is presented by Wilcock at this point valid??

Dave - Toronto

[Mike Gorman]

I agree with you there Mr Spellbound - it makes things very tricky, however there is an old saying: 'do not throw the baby out with the bathwater'.
The issue with Wilcock is that he used to be a lot more credible, and he mixes a lot of very interesting truthful materials in with his creative confabulations - he is almost the perfect disinformation agent(!)

I am not going to say nasty things, it has all been said!

Pete Peterson, from my personal observation seems credible enough - he certainly comes across as one of those 'Boffin' types, he may very well be a government hired tech-wiz.
As for the extrapolations from David...well we all must form our own conclusions, hyperbole and fantasy plays a significant part in much of what he presents, alas!

[onawah]

I noted some contradictions, and Dr. Peterson was not explaining himself well at times, which I found a little odd.
(Perhaps it is his age.)
My comments are in bold letters.



Yet another episode featuring Pete Peterson was released today. This one was a bit more interesting than the last one. I heard that next week's episode will also feature him. Here's a link if you want to watch the episode for yourself. It will be live for 48 hours:



https://give.gaia.com/cj5jyhno4000k01m99wm3vg3p

As usual, I will paste the transcript here as well.


* * * * *

David Wilcock: All right. Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, and I'm here with none other than Pete Peterson. So Pete, welcome back to the program.

Pete Peterson: Thank you.

David: We were talking in a previous episode about giant extraterrestrials that you said came here. And we ended on kind of a cliffhanger.

You said that to the best of your knowledge, there are crashes in Antarctica. And that the lowest of these crashes occurred where it was still a continent that did not have ice on it but was more like a tropical type of environment.

35750

Could you tell us a little bit more about what happened there? And you had said something about people that were as high as 37 feet tall.

Pete: It's my understanding that some of the people from that . . . We call it the 'lowest crash' because it's deeper under the ice.

And along with . . . What happened was, there was a spaceship crash. You'd think that people with high technology would have less crashes, and they probably do. But when you think of coming across the galaxy and the fact that they are probably going to be . . . At that time, they probably didn't have time travel. Or they probably didn't have a way to put people to sleep with no degeneration over long periods of time.

David: Hm.

35749

Pete: You know, there are many things that can happen. And as perfect as man, or modern man, or ancient man, or far more intelligent man than we are, builds things, they're still going to have problems.

There are electronic parts that you build them as good as you can. We've done tons of beautiful things for outer space.

We've built them up so that they won't be hit by micrometeorites. We've built them up for a number of reasons, but we still don't get everything. So it's natural that they would have crashes. We've had a lot of UFO crashes.


It's very difficult to know who he is talking about above--who does he mean when he says "we"? Earth humans, or ancient aliens?


David: Do you think it's possible they were in a war, that they might have been shot down?

Pete: Well, now, there are always . . . there's always been wars. But there have been things like the terrestrial, in other words, the nearer a planet, navigation and steerage of a lot of these early craft were done based on magnetic lines.

Well, when you get near a pole, the magnetic lines, instead of being nice and parallel, and parallel to the surface, where you could go over the surface, the poles they bend in.

David: Right.

Pete: And go in the electromagnetic or geomagnetic pole; they go in. Well, here's a craft that's stabilizing itself on these things, and all of a sudden it gets sucked sideways and down to go in.

And so that's why there were probably more crashes in the Antarctic and Arctic regions.

David: Do you think there was something that was desirable in that area for why they wanted to try to land there even if there is this problem with the magnetic field?

Pete: Well, why did we want to go there? Why do we have a huge ice station there? There's all kinds of things that happen in the different environments that's there.

There's a lot of growth of organic chemicals, organic living chemicals. There's a lot of growth that can happen there that can't happen where we have a downward gravity rather than an inward gravity.

There are a lot of minerals and metals processing, semiconductor processing tasks, that can take place when gravity is different, and when the electromagnetic field is different.

David: What was the approximate size of this ship to your knowledge – the oldest one?

Pete: The oldest one, I think, was probably about 300, maybe 300 feet in diameter.

David: How was it first discovered in modern times?

Pete: It was discovered by some of our spy satellites.

David: About what time did we start to try to get down there and explore this ship, that you know of?

Pete: Oh, boy. I had to be, I don't know, 16 years old.

David: Hm.

Pete: I'm 77.

David: 77 now?

Pete: 60 years ago.

David: 60 years ago? So 2017, we're talking about . . . now we're talking about like the late 1950s?

Pete: Yeah. Yeah.

David: What was the level of excitement about this kind of discovery? I mean, that sounds way more interesting than Roswell.

Pete: Well, we couldn't tell exactly what it was. In the beginning were lumps, you know? They're lumps, but they're not lumps that appear to be made by nature. They're lumps that appear to be made by man.

David: Right.

Pete: In other words, their geometricity was something that man would have done. So that's what got us excited.

But, they're, you know, they're three miles deep in an area that's . . . would freeze you in about 30 seconds if you don't have proper clothing on on the surface.

And so you have to have special tools to even go after it. It's three miles deep. How are you going to go there?

You know pretty much that where this was, was in a valley, because there are mountains – there are mountains underground that are probably 2½, 3 miles deep, or high.

David: Right.

Pete: And so, you know, it's been known to be there. Because of the fact that it was known, that's where they built some of the ice stations over the top, so eventually, maybe, we'd find a . . . drill a hole, or find a way to go down.

Also, there are layers of things that are obviously man-made things coming up from that area, because it's now . . . That ice there is now three miles plus or minus deep.

David: Did anyone find a hatch or a door or anything that would eventually allow them to get inside the ship?

Pete: No.

David: Okay.

Pete: It looks like . . . It looks like . . . I mean, the vegetation . . . There's a lot of vegetation surrounding it. That's kind of blurred the view that we had in the meantime, because the carbon absorbs radio waves, which is what we had to look at things.

So as our technology grew, we found better ways to look at the same pictures.

David: Well, could you just give us a view of what the hull looked like? If we eventually got to the point that we could reach the hull . . .

Pete: Oh, I have. We made the hull. [Note: I think, Pete thinks David has said 'hole',] It was all . . . It was all ice.

David: Okay.

Pete: So we're digging it out.

David: What did we see when we finally got down to the hull? What did the hull look like?

Pete: Well, it was metallic. It was long and tubular.

David: Did there . . . Were there any structures on it, or was it just totally smooth?

Pete: It had rivets, but they were surface rivets. I mean, they were chamfered, chamfered in, so they'd rivet. But that's not a rounded head that sticks up off the . . . off the surface.

David: Was there anything unusual about the material of the hull?

Pete: Oh, yes, very unusual, very unusual characteristics. We've not ever found – and this is normal, I would think – we've not ever found elements that were different from our normal table of the elements.

I mean, we say, “Okay, you have a nucleus and so many protons, so many neutrons.” And then you have electron rings. Let's say there are different rings around that.

David: Right. The periodic table is all there is. That's everything.

Pete: Yeah. But we have found some that can be . . . There are things that can be radionically changed. Like, for example, a water molecule has been used for . . . water's been used for healing for as far as back as we have history.

And the way that they use water for healing is that they lay on of hands and give it a different, a different . . .

David: So you're saying there was some material science breakthroughs in the hull? Could you tell us?

Pete: Oh, absolutely. I don't know what they were. That wasn't my . . . why I was involved at the time.

David: But what was strange about the hull? What was the physical thing we could observe?

Pete: Oh, what was strange about the hull was, it was there; it was as old as it was. We knew that people had visited here long before there were human beings, long before there were apes, long before there were any precursors to human beings.

I mean, we've gone through numerous complete changes.

David: You had told me before that when people tried to cut a piece out of the hull and pull it away that something happened that was unusual.

Pete: Yeah.

David: What happened?

Pete: It didn't cut out and it didn't pull away. Ha, ha. It pulled back.

David: It pulled back?

Pete: It was bent to be part of what it was.

David: So there was some gravitational weird attraction?

Pete: No. It was an informational field that was built around it, which is where . . . which is where after probably 15 years of study, I kind of figured out that there was a whole set of science that was dealt with . . . dealt with information.


There was a whole science that dealt with information? (What else does any kind of science deal with, but information?

David: You're saying that the hull had self-healing qualities?

Pete: It had self . . . It had self-preservation qualities.

David: So if I tried to cut a piece out, what would happen if I tried to pull that piece away from the ship?

Pete: Well, you would, say, probably start with a diamond saw. Today, you would start with a cubic boron nitrite saw – four times harder than diamond. You can cut diamond with it like butter.

And it started with a saw of some kind. You might have started with a torch. We tried a torch.

The metal would get metallic and you'd pull the torch away and go back, and it would be exactly the way it was before it got metallic.


The metal would get metallic? And then it would be exactly the way it was before it got metallic? That makes no sense.

David: Wow!

Pete: And it wouldn't run down the side. It would kind of wobble like an egg white.

David: Was there speculation that there might have been nanites inside the material, like nano robots, that were doing this?

Pete: No.

David: Huh.

Pete: I mean, that . . . I think there were those things at that time, but they wouldn't have been used there in that place.

David: What happened if there were larger cracks in the ship? Like, let's say that it broke in a certain area, water got in, it turns to ice and the ice expands?

Pete: It didn't work that way.

David: What happened?

Pete: It self-healed.

David: Hm.

Pete: I mean, they weren't cracks, there were bends. But it was like . . . It was like, you know, trying to stretch a shoe sole. You know, they're built to be flat and you walk on them, but you can bend them more than 90 degrees, and you put them on and walk on them some more and no damage.

So the metal was very, very, highly flexible.

David: So as the ice melted and turned to water, what happened to the cracks, if there were any cracks in the hull?

Pete: Okay, what we're talking about is ice inside the craft which expands as it freezes.

David: Okay.

Pete: It pushed apart in certain areas. It looked like this thing might have been built with a design in, again, six-sided tiles that fit together.

And it – like playing with magnets – that they would have magnetically stuck together but melded.

David: Wow!

Pete: And so when you tried to tear the thing, it like came apart and in like bricks that it was made out of, like LEGO blocks, in a way – not as technical as LEGO blocks.

David: Okay.

Pete: Just sides that fit. So it evidently shut it off.

It also appears that when, in that original time . . . Remember, it was a tropical area, not semi-tropical, a tropical area.

It looks like it might have been moved there. A part of it might have been moved there, because it looks like the freezing that took place . . . because this craft was completely waterproof. So it looks like what happened was it started freezing, it started making pressure, these blocks started coming apart. And it may have been even magnetically, because they had some unbelievable magnets.

But anyway, it looks like these came apart, water got inside, then it froze, and then it shoved out, some of this stuff came apart.

And then when they got some heat down in there – to get the heat out so they can see what's inside this thing, you know, what kind of machinery is here, what kind of control surfaces are here – it went back together.

David: Wow!

Pete: And there were no . . . You know, there wasn't . . . There weren't places that were bent, like permanently bent.

David: Were there individual quarters, living quarters, for the people in the ship?

Pete: Again, that was out of my time. That was later, much later.

David: Okay.

Pete: I mean, they played with that thing for a long time. And we had a little hole that you could . . . it was like trying to climb into the Lunar Lander, you know, 3½ miles. Ha, ha.


What is the meaning of the reference of 3 & 1/2 miles to the Lunar Lander?

David: Ha, ha.

Pete: I know that there were several people hired who had been contortionists, trying to get into some of the interior stuff.

David: So you said that you did have more contact with what was on the second layer?

Pete: Yes.

David: Well, let's get into that a little bit. Now, tell us first of all, is there any relationship between the ship at the bottom and the ship on the second layer? Were they . . .

Pete: They were extraterrestrial.

David: Okay.

Pete: That's about the maximum thing in common. I mean, they were probably, at least that one, was powered with . . . it had some anti-gravity in it.

David: The second one, you mean?

Pete: The second one. It had the same rotating masses and electromagnetic rotating, electromagnetic counter-rotating, electromagnetic fields.

And I guess the one that's there today, again, is another one I know almost nothing about.

David: What do you mean 'the one that's there today'?

Pete: Well, there are three layers of these things.

David: Okay.

Pete: Three crashes. And strangely one's down about a mile, and one is about two miles, and one's about three miles.


That is VERY strange--VERY coincidental! Why would they be spaced like that, one mile, two miles and three miles deep, in layers?

David: Hm. So tell us a little bit about what was discovered with the second craft. Was it a newer . . . I'm assuming . . .

Pete: Oh, much far different. It came from a whole different part of the universe, I'm sure.

David: Okay.

Pete: There were things that were similar, which told me that there was probably commercial traffic/communication between those societies.

David: Hm. Okay.

35751

Pete: And wholly different controls. Those people had three fingers, so you had a place that your hand would fit into an indentation in a control surface. And it was . . . You had two thumbs, opposing thumbs, one on either side, and a main finger.

David: Hm.

Pete: And we can later get into how that got me going on the Tower of Babel and what got confused, but we now have five fingers. We have five fingers specifically because we were confused with counting in tens.


"We have five fingers specifically because we were confused with counting in tens." Makes no sense!


David: If these people had three fingers, are you saying that they used base 6 in their calculations?

Pete: I have a dear personal friend of many, many years – 30, 40 years – who is just about to publish a book. And we show a base 6 mathematics in which 99% of all of our mathematics is proven absolutely wrong.


Did Dr. Peterson co-author the book? He said " We show a base of mathematics" etc. Not "he shows".

David: Did we inherit this system from them, this base 6 system, do you think?

Pete: I think that that was a good part of why my friend has been examining the base 6 system now for about 13 years.

David: Okay.

Pete: I don't think they . . . They not only didn't teach us that, what they did was gave us five fingers from three, or they gave us five fingers from six.

And when you look at the words that I've seen written – this goes back 67,000 years – when I see the words that were written, I can't tell in translation whether it was three or six.


So he was able to decipher an ET language of over 67,000 years in age? That's a rather huge detail to skip over so casually!

David: So we have this interesting time counting system where there's 60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour, 24 hours in a day. A lot of this stuff would be called a sexagesimal type of system. So there's a lot of 6's in the time system.

I'm wondering, is that related to this inheritance that we got?

Pete: It's in everything. Remember, I told you the universe was tiled with six-sided tiles?

The universe is tiled? What does that mean?

David: Yeah, it has to do with sacred geometry.

Pete: There are three universes: body, mind, spirit; Father, Son, Holy Ghost. It's all over, everywhere.

And if we use a mathematical system based on 6's, everything changes. Pi instead of becoming a long, long, billion long, random number, becomes just a simple series of groups of three.

David: Are you saying that if we look at something like pi, where right now 3.14159 that just goes on and on, does that become more like an integer if you do it in base 6?

Pete: Absolutely.

David: Okay. Do you still get decimal points?

Pete: And there's no such thing as infinity.

David: Hmm. Really?

Pete: Don't have to go there.

David: What would happen to pi if we did it in base 6, in this special math you're saying?

Pete: Well, from a practical standpoint, look where we've got in using pi as, you know, 3.1415 . . . you know?

David: Right.

Pete: Is it practical once you get past a certain point? You know, you're in billionths of an inch. You're smaller than the dimensions of the atoms that you're making things out of for machining and stuff.

So in that respect, that's, you know, it's okay. It's nice to know. But in the respect of where that leads us in astronomical dimensions and shapes and distances – very important.

I mean, you go out 700 light years, and one billionth of a degree is going to put you off a half a billion miles.

David: Sure. So let's get back to the chair, now. You said that these beings had three fingers. You said two of them were like thumbs and that they went into indentations.

Pete: Right.

David: Could you give us any more information about how they were actually able to control the ship from there?

Pete: Well, that was my job, was figuring out control and how was this thing controlled? And it wasn't a chair. It was actually a panel that kind of dropped off so that . . . They had arms somewhat like ours, I guess. So it dropped off.

And so you have a thing that your hands would have just fit right into, down into it. And then there was a clamp that came over about where an elbow would be. It would be a longer forearm. Anyway, it went down in and held it there.

So there were some stress forces, or they wouldn't have had a clamp there. And not a whole lot, because it wasn't a heavy duty clamp and a long thing like a cath.

David: Real quick, were the fingers longer than ours?

Pete: Yes, oh, much larger. Much larger!

David: Really?

Pete: Probably that long. [Pete spreads his index fingers apart to show a distance of about eight inches.]

David: Wow! Okay.

Pete: And the shorter fingers on the sides.

David: I'm not understanding, though, how they controlled the ship.

Pete: Well, they moved their fingers.

David: What would that do?

Pete: Every single thing to control a ship, everything.

David: Okay. Wow!

Pete: Yeah. And those units that it fit in were like a one-sided glove. The actual unit moved as well as the fingers, so you had a lot more control parameters.

And one of them stabilized, one of them did the tilt, speed or slow down, speed.

David: Were you able to tell how many joints they had in their fingers?

Pete: From what I looked at, I would say they probably were more like a . . . built like a worm or a snake, rather than with joints. But my understanding, from what I've seen, was they had joints in them.


]He contradicts himself by first saying from what he looked at, the ET hands had no joints, then he says from what he's seen, they had joints.[/B]

David: If these beings have three fingers, and you said that there is a theory that we have five fingers, did they somehow modify our DNA on purpose?

Pete: That's what the Tower of Babel was all about. I got seeing what this mathematician/philosopher that I worked with . . . I got seeing . . . And then from things I've noticed in the past, because I try to be a good observer, when things I saw in the past, the Tower of Babel and confusing the languages didn't make sense to me.

So much happened when that happened, when that occurred – at the time that occurred – far more than changing the language.

David: All right, let me say something dumb, just so everybody, even the kids who watch this, will understand this – because we do have kids eight years old, and I'm not saying they're dumb, but they might not have heard about the Tower of Babel.

So the idea is that at one time, everyone spoke the same language, could talk to each other. And then something happened that caused us to have separate languages and be spread apart?

Pete: No.

David: Okay.

Pete: Not at all.

David: Could you explain what the Tower of Babel was?

Pete: It was exactly the other way around.

David: Oh!

Pete: Everybody, every different race, came from light years, or millions or more light years from each other. They all had totally different languages.

We had a predominant language on Earth – different story. We had a number of aliens on Earth. And like we learn to speak . . . In Africa, there's a kind of a common language. Swahili is a common language.

David: So you're saying there was an attempt to make a common language for all these extraterrestrial immigrants on Earth?

Pete: That's a natural thing.

David: Well, how did this relate to five fingers?

Pete: That's where I'm coming.

David: Okay.

Pete: I just need to get there.

David: Okay.

Pete: Okay. So I got looking at the Tower of Babel, which was supposed to have confused our languages. That didn't make any scientific or mathematical sense to me whatsoever.

So I said, where am I going to learn? Well, I know that the Vatican Library contains 80% of the Tower of . . . or the Great Library of Alexandria, the part that didn't burn. I know they have books that go back 72,000 years that are much more technical than the books today. We still haven't been able to figure out how to read many of those.

But we've gone through a number of different groups of people that were here on the Earth, running the Earth, living here. And so I said, what I need to do is look at what happened at the Tower of Babel, because it didn't make sense.

So what I found out was, what they didn't . . . they altered some parts of the language. Yes, they confused some of them. But they also . . . The main thing they did was changed the counting base.

And that made all the sense in the world, because you can do things with 0 through 5 mathematics. You can do things with that, that are totally different than anything you can do without that. And it's very subtle, but it's so totally important. It changes everything scientifically – everything.

David: So are you saying that the development of five fingers, in some way, threw us off from this ideal mathematics?

Pete: Totally threw us off, because you can use either 3 or you can use 6 – it's just two 3's.

David: Right.

Pete: So we have two 5's, so we go to 10.

David: Was this . . . Do you think that this . . . If this decision was made to give us five fingers, do you think that was done voluntarily?

Pete: No, it wasn't done voluntarily. They simply changed us – boom!

David: Okay. And why would they want to confuse people on Earth? What would be the goal?

Pete: Because man, or sentient beings' personal philosophy, is pretty much the same. We all started out trying to survive somewhere.


His answer doesn't explain anything. How would the ETs bioengineering humanity to have 5 fingers enhance our or their ability to survive? Was it some kind of experiment?

And so we needed to have survival mechanisms. And then we came up with mathematics. And we needed to have mathematics in order to do the engineering and things, so forth, things that we've done.

You can do that with any base, set of base numbers.

David: Right.

Pete: Like all of our digital world is base 2, 0 and 1.

David: Can you tell us, what is so special about the number 3? What is it about 3 that makes it so intrinsic to this number system?

Pete: Okay. We know, as best I know, nothing about the informational world. The informational world is the structure of the world we live in. It's the structure of the whole universe. Everything in the universe appears as 3's.

David: What are some examples?

Pete: Size, shape, gravity, travel, speed of light, light, electronics, you know, everything. EVERY SINGLE THING that's physical in the universe is based on 3's.

And I mean, everything, even to the point that, how many . . . like, if you . . . I've spent 10 years in the Marine Corps. And you learn that one person can control three people.

David: Hmm.

Pete: You have one platoon commander, and he has three squads. Each squad has three fire teams. Each fire team has three people.

And you'll find out, throughout history, you look at the structure of almost all churches, you have a pope, and then you have two bishops, you know, on and on, and on. And then they have sub-bishops. And it's everywhere.

And the tiling of the information of the universe is on six-sided tiles. It's like a soccer ball . . .

David: Right.

Pete: . . . which is three triangles to make a six-sided device. So you can use 3's, 6's, 12's.

You look at, say, just take our . . . take the last number. It isn't 10, it's 9. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.

David: Right.

Pete: You look at 9. 9 times 1 is 9, two 3's. 2 times 9 is 2, six 3's. Six 3/s add up to what? 9.

Two 3's add up to what? 9. Take 5. 45, 5 and 4 is 9.

David: Yeah.

Pete: You take 9 times 7 is 63. 6 and 3 is 9.

So it's very interesting how that spreads as the base net, like we're woven onto a net. And the whole net is based in 3. Everywhere you see a junction on six-sided . . . take six-sided tiles. Everywhere those sides of those tiles line up, you have a junction of three things. Every junction has three things coming together.

David: I'm curious about whether this has anything to do with fractal mathematics? Because when you zoom in on that Mandelbrot set, you keep going in and you keep seeing the same structure appearing again and again.

Pete: Yes, and you'll see that it's all six-sided once you get to the base of it.

David: Ah! Do you have any idea what Tesla said about the number 3?

Pete: My grandfather was Tesla's right-hand man at Colorado Springs, here. And I have all that information, was taught it from the time I was a child. And, yes, Tesla knew this.

Tesla was one hell of an engineer, but he also was obviously visited.

David: Right.

Pete: But he understood it, which, for them was unfortunate. But that's . . . Ha, ha.

And for us, he scared the hell out of us, and so he was put against his whole life.

David: Hmm. All right. Well, that's all the time we have for in this episode. There's still a lot more to talk about regarding Antarctica, and this fascinating story about the number 3, and people who may have naturally counted that way because that was built into their physiology.

All that and more is going to be coming up in a future episode of “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm here with Pete Peterson. And I thank you for watching.

[Andrew_K]

The last episode featuring Dr. Pete Peterson was released today. Here is a link to watch it for free:
https://give.gaia.com/cj5tzn6jw003301mb8zoft97n

It will expire within 1-2 days.

[onawah]

Is it just a coincidence that Dr. Peterson is talking about aliens with 3 long fingers, and the (apparently bogus) finding in Peru of the 3 fingered aliens?
I am much more inclined to believe Dr. Pete than the other faction (though there seems to be a connection between the two via Giai.com), so I am wondering if some psyop attempt is being made to credit or perhaps even discredit his information, knowing that that disclosure from him was in the works.
Some kind of Machiavellian move to gain a specific public reaction?

But he seems to have a limited perspective on the origins of the human race (though that doesn't surprise me, as he is pretty obviously a very scientific, right-brained person, which is fine).
But I think that's too simplistic, and it's much more likely that there are other ET genetics in the Earth human mix than what he has described, and there is evidence that supports the hypothesis that higher (more evolved) humanoid DNA was here before the Annunaki ever arrived here, and that higher humanoid ETs may have been here all along, or on and off, or at least left their genetics here before they left.
Also, DNA can be altered by consciousness, so when an ET soul incarnates into an Earth body, lots of changes can occur, and those alterations can be passed on to offspring.
The numbers of us who have memories of highly evolved past lives on other planets are something more than mere sophisticated primates (though the latter certainly may be the case in other instances).
IMHO, of course.:sun:

[onawah]

Will there be a transcript, Andrew? Thanks!
The last episode featuring Dr. Pete Peterson was released today. Here is a link to watch it for free:
https://give.gaia.com/cj5tzn6jw003301mb8zoft97n

It will expire within 1-2 days.

[onawah]

Also bumping this :bump: Too MUCH of a coincidence, I think....

Is it just a coincidence that Dr. Peterson is talking about aliens with 3 long fingers, and the (apparently bogus) finding in Peru of the 3 fingered aliens?
I am much more inclined to believe Dr. Pete than the other faction (though there seems to be a connection between the two via Giai.com), so I am wondering if some psyop attempt is being made to credit or perhaps even discredit his information, knowing that that disclosure from him was in the works.
Some kind of Machiavellian move to gain a specific public reaction?

But he seems to have a limited perspective on the origins of the human race (though that doesn't surprise me, as he is pretty obviously a very scientific, right-brained person, which is fine).
But I think that's too simplistic, and it's much more likely that there are other ET genetics in the Earth human mix than what he has described, and there is evidence that supports the hypothesis that higher (more evolved) humanoid DNA was here before the Annunaki ever arrived here, and that higher humanoid ETs may have been here all along, or on and off, or at least left their genetics here before they left.
Also, DNA can be altered by consciousness, so when an ET soul incarnates into an Earth body, lots of changes can occur, and those alterations can be passed on to offspring.
The numbers of us who have memories of highly evolved past lives on other planets are something more than mere sophisticated primates (though the latter certainly may be the case in other instances).
IMHO, of course.:sun:

[Andrew_K]

Will there be a transcript, Andrew? Thanks!

You're welcome. :bigsmile: The transcript was just released yesterday, so now I can post it here:


* * * * *

David Wilcock: All right. Welcome back to another episode of “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, and I'm here with our special guest, Pete Peterson. Pete, thanks for being here.

Pete Peterson: Thank you. Thank you.

David: We had been talking about crashes in Antarctica, and you had mentioned that, at the deepest level, there's one that landed on what's like a continental surface with tropical type of plants. And then you said that you had a lot more experience with a second crash.

Now one of the things that I find really fascinating in what you've been telling us, is that there was a set of controls for beings that had three long fingers. So there's a lot of really interesting connections being made here.

And we were also talking about the mathematics of base three and the idea that, perhaps, we were given five fingers to confuse us away from this ideal math.

What would be the practical application of this base three mathematics that you say your friend has discovered?

If we start using that, what are some of the technological breakthroughs that we might have, or scientific breakthroughs that we might have?

35818

Pete: What would be the proximate result, in the very beginning, probably half the mathematicians in the world would violently protest against it. And the other half would see it immediately.

It can easily be seen because he's broken it down into a series of charts, of charting numbers, and with different colors for the different digits and the different, say, points.

And then we'd try to say, 'Well, here are all the things that this makes possible'.

We can't even begin to imagine maybe 1% of the things that it'll make possible. It's so totally changes our representational viewpoint of the universe. Mathematics is a language.

David: Okay.

Pete: It's a way that we can talk about numerical things. And it's THE language of science. It's how we talk about almost all the things we do in science, even biological things and so forth.

Every form of engineering we have will change. Things that we couldn't ever do will become instantaneously doable by children.

David: Are there any other examples, that you know of, of beings with three fingers? You mentioned that this craft had sockets for three fingers.

Pete: Almost all the ancient beings have three fingers.

David: Really?

Pete: The ones that we have samples of.

David: Really?

Pete: I don't know, except very recently, of any alien craft that we recovered that didn't have three-finger control.

David: That didn't have?

Pete: Didn't have.

David: Really?

Pete: We don't have joysticks. The movement of the hand, wrist and hand, and fingers . . . and like I said, almost all the aliens have very, very similar apparatus. It's just that most of them have three fingers because it's much more . . . it's more than enough, or it's exactly enough.

And it's easier to deal with. It's easier to compute in your head for three fingers.

David: Some of the people watching this are going to say that intelligent life could not develop with three fingers because conventional anthropology believes that once we got the opposable thumb and could grasp and hold, that's once we were able to do toolmaking and develop intelligence.

Pete: They're absolutely correct, except you have two opposable fingers instead of just one – twice as much you can accomplish.

David: Really? So each of the fingers on the sides acts like a thumb.

Pete: Like a thumb.

David: Hm.

Pete: And in many of them, they go in like a thumb. I mean, they go in from the side. They're not three fingers like that. [Pete holds up three middle fingers.]

David: Right.

Pete: It's three fingers like that. [Pete holds up his thumb and index finger on one hand and positions the thumb of his other hand next to the index finger.]

David: Hm. Interesting. Could you tell us a little bit more about what was found in that second level, that second layer in Antarctica?

Pete: The control of exterior surfaces as if they were living surfaces and you were giving them commands . . .

David: Explain.

Pete: . . . to change the aerodynamics.

David: How could you give them commands?

Pete: Mentally. But you can also . . . In the beginning, it was with these control systems. The newer ones are done mostly mentally.

David: Wow! Are there any of these three-fingered beings still around today?

Pete: Most of them.

David: Most of them? Okay.

Pete: Right.

David: Visiting us?

Pete: Ha! We're kind of the least people on Earth . . . in the universe that they would visit. What do we have to offer?

Well, I'll tell you what we have to offer. Why are they interested in us?

We have Ormus, which is another type of gold, which allows you to live for many, many years. [It] extends the life of the flexibility of the regeneration of the nervous system and the telomeres.

It's what Solomon's Mines were all about – Solomon with his many, many gold mines. He didn't mine yellow gold. He mined white gold.

David: Hm.

Pete: And he sold it for very high prices to all the leaders of the world.

David: So you're saying there's something about the Earth that makes Ormus in greater amounts than might be available on other planets?

Pete: No. There's something here that we have a greater concentration of gold.

David: Ah.

Pete: Most of the space exploration was for finding Ormus or manna, another word for a very similar type of thing, but it uses Ormus, and the principles by which Ormus functions.

David: So when we go back to the cuneiform tablets, the Sumerian texts, most of the conventional scholarship on that now is in agreement that these Anunnaki were some type of extraterrestrials and that they specifically were coming to Earth to steal our gold.

Do you have any comments on that?

Pete: We, as a race, exist only because we were designed to be gold miners. That's why we exist.

We were a genetically-manipulated cross-breed of the Anunnaki and . . . I'll give you an example, which is easy to tell.

I think we have about 92% of the same DNA as the chimpanzee.

David: Chimpanzee DNA is 98.8% similar to human DNA.

Pete: Yep. And very early people were not fair of look and bred by the Anunnaki. Ha, ha. They bred a lot more into us.

And that's why a lot of the aliens . . . I mean, you know, we're bipedal. We have hands, We have fingers. We have two ears, two eyes, two nostrils, one mouth.

And we look at a good part of the aliens and they're exactly the same.

David: Right. So, just to be clear, are you saying that the Anunnaki bred us out of something like a chimpanzee and then mixed their own DNA with it?

Pete: We were somehow bred into what had the DNA . . . similar, obviously very similar, to chimpanzee. It gave us the ability to squat down, get in small . . . Gold usually appears in very small cracks.

You follow the crack up through the Earth. It came up with water and then set up.

And remember that a lot of gold is found in quartz. Most gold is found in a quartz deposit.

David: Hm.

Pete: Quartz is piezoelectric. If you squeeze it, it produces electricity.

David: Right.

Pete: The electricity would do the conversion process. The movement of the Earth would make the electricity that did the conversion process. That's why we find yellow gold there.

David: Do you think there is a relationship between the Anunnaki that we're talking about just now and the crashes that you personally saw in Antarctica?

Pete: Well, I think there is because the Anunnaki were the ones who . . . Imagine a mining claim. Well, the Anunnaki were the first people to find that there was a lot of gold on Earth.

David: Hm.

Pete: So they had a certain claim and were given a certain task by their task masters, who are, very probably, Draconian.

David: Are these three-fingered people still on Earth with us today?

Pete: When I was reverse engineering the controls, I had three-fingered people helping me.

David: Really? What would they look like in terms of their head and face?

Pete: Well, there's a difference in the eye structure because of the inner eye fold between Orientals and Anglos. So you have that kind of difference. It's different.

Lesser nose and different nostrils.

Their mouths are round, kind of like an octopus sucker. I mean, they're more round than ours.

Their food is produced by them eating food and excreting an excretion that comes off their skin. And they scrape it off and eat it.

David: Hm. Is there anything about the head that we should know about?

Pete: Well, it's different, but it's very much the same.

David: What's the color of the skin of these beings that you personally interacted with?

Pete: Well, they are differing colors. I've seen them look almost like aluminum. And I'm not sure but what they might not be, you know, might be aluminum. They might be clones, because they tend to clone these people.

And they are clones, by the way. This is why their whole feeding system works differently than ours does.

David: Hm.

Pete: They're actually like robots, but they're more biological than non-biological.

David: Hm.

Pete: I have kind of clandestinely measured the electric fields to kind of get some information, and I can't find any different . . . much different than the human electric field.

David: Are there any known places on Earth where these people or creatures might have been?

Pete: Yep. Arctica, Antarctica, Alaska, Canada. Most people don't know, but the Yukon and the Northwest Territory are not part of Canada. They're owned by the . . . whoever the sovereign of England is. They're directly . . . They're privately owned.

But that's where most of the gold is found. Surprise, surprise.

David: Ha, ha.

Pete: Ha, ha.

David: Are they working on the surface or underground?

Pete: No, most of them work underground. And the reason was, because when they came here, we were in the same part of the 29,000 year solar cycle that we're in now. And the Sun's emitting X-rays like it was an X-ray machine.

David: Ah!

Pete: So they were evidently sensitive to those and are working underground.

David: Hm. About how many of these people do you think are on Earth right now, or in Earth, if you had to estimate?

Pete: I couldn't even begin to estimate, but I believe I know of some of the places, and of those that I know of, I'd say probably 350,000.

David: Wow!

Pete: I think there's probably that many in Antarctica. Just a guess.

David: Are these people using a language to communicate or do they speak more telepathically?

Pete: Well, most of them are more telepathic if they're older, but the younger ones and/or the cloned ones, they can . . . I've watched one of them learn to speak English with an accent that talks about “eatin' grits for breakfast”, in three to four days from arrival from wherever they come from.

David: Wow! Are there any of these beings in South America?

Pete: South America is one of the first places they were. All the Indians down there have, if you look at their outfits, they all have things like kachinas. They all have serpents. Serpents are big, which would be the Dracos, or parts of the Dracos.

Some of the Dracos are the nicest people you'd ever want to meet – ethical, moral, as we would judge, etc., etc. And some are pretty nasty.

David: You had said that you feel that the Draconians were in some way controlling or working with the Anunnaki, so could you define what you mean by Draconians so that we know we're on the same page here? And then explain the relationship between Draconians and Anunnaki that are more human looking.

Pete: Well, they're different. Some of them look almost human, but if you want to know what Draconians look like, go back to any ancient society and look at their dragon people.

They seem to be the older civilization that we know of, at all. They came from . . . Very few Draconians, naturally, were in the Milky Way.

The Milky Way is kind of a holding facility for people who are going to be growing the things that are required to keep the DNA of ancient societies working.

David: Really?

Pete: Yeah.

David: That's a very provocative statement.

Pete: That was our primary purpose, as best I can tell.

David: For the whole Milky Way?

Pete: The whole Milky Way.

David: It's sort of like a big genetic farm.

Pete: Yes.

David: Hm.

Pete: But a farm for other things, too – a farm for gold, which is required for Ormus, which is required to keep the telomeres working and keep the neural system flexible and the brain multiplying and getting greater and so forth.

It was responsible for all the ancients that we know of in our own history who lived to be 200, 300 – you know, Methuselah.

David: So could you explain for us if anybody got into the second ship? Did you ever get to see the interior or hear about what was inside?

Pete: I got a quick walk-through.

David: Really? Wow!

Pete: The reason was, I have done a lot of interesting work on alien control systems. It's one of my small areas of expertise or large areas of expertise.

David: Uh-huh.

Pete: So I look at the control systems, and, you know, I can figure them out. I can say, “Oh, I know what that's for. I know what that's for.” I've had enough experience with it. I just know.

David: All right. Let me ask you some questions that might seem basic, but it will help us.

First of all, how high was the ceiling once you got inside?

Pete: I'd say it was probably, in areas, maybe three feet, three and a half, and in other areas, it was probably as much as six and a half or seven feet.

David: So it's kind of a crouchy situation.

Pete: Well, it's . . . Remember, it's saucer-shaped. It's going to taper down at the edges and get higher in the middle.

David: So what did it look like inside? What did you see?

Pete: Well, I saw a central core. That's normal on saucers because of how the ones I know of work that way. They work with a huge shaft. You could call it like a flywheel down below the deck and then an upper deck.

And then you find a lot of them have like a – I don't know what you'd say – maybe a control tower. They have . . . If they have windows that are up on a top, an upper thing, where you'd stand up and look out the windows.

David: Ah.

Pete: The piloting is not done with a window, it's done with a . . . like we do it today. It's done from a computer screen, a screen. I'm not saying a computer screen. They have very organic kind of things, like they can make it look just like you're looking right out . . . like you were sitting right out in the open in front of it.

David: What were the surfaces predominantly like? Were they metallic, or did they have a color?

Pete: I would say they were some form of coated plastic or coated metal. There was a coating.

David: What was the most surprising thing about it to you?

Pete: From the ones I'd seen, there was a lot of technological changes, which is to be expected. I mean, look at our aircraft.

Each generation . . . The ones we have flying now were started 20 years ago in design.

David: Right. You said that these craft were piloted by beings with three fingers and that they've appeared all over the Earth.

Pete: Right.

David: Does it appear that that population came from this ship originally, that that was their original . . .?

Pete: Oh, no, no. Not at all.

David: Oh!

Pete: Not at all.

David: Okay.

Pete: No, I know of probably five or six races that all have three fingers. I would say, probably most of the aliens have three.

David: Hm! You had told me before about something with a craft in Antarctica where there were panels that gave off their own light.

Pete: Right.

David: Could you talk about that for me?

Pete: Yeah, those are on the last two ships.

David: Okay.

Pete: It's a material much like phosphorus, or phosphorus. You know, we have these little things that you can pin on your ceiling that look like stars and moons and galaxies . . . kids trying to . . .

David: Right. Glow in the dark.

Pete: – glows in the dark – and shine lights on them. They glow for a little bit and then they die out rather rapidly.

There's a material that's being made in Australia right now that you put it out and give it about 30~45 minutes of sunlight exposure, and it'll give off enough light to see and, at least for a day, to read by before it runs down.

Well, the alien lights are absolutely much the same, except they light them up with ultraviolet or infrared LEDs, some type of photo . . . what we would call alien LEDs.

David: So you're saying that the interior of one of these ships had a material that they would light with some kind of LEDs, and then once they did, it would glow for a while on its own.

Pete: Well, it would . . . What they would do is . . . The lights flicker at, say, 1,000 times a second . . .

David: Okay.

Pete: . . . but they may only turn on every 10 cycles, or 20, or 50 cycles, depending on the outside light and the ambient light, and where they are in that programming pattern of the lights.

It looks like the whole ceiling in the control rooms, which is where I mostly have seen, all the ceilings made of . . . They're coated with this material. You can paint it on.

David: So let's talk about the third crash. You said that there were three layers of crashes there. What was the third uppermost layer?

35819

Pete: Well, these are the ones I know about. There's three that I know about.

David: Okay.

Pete: That was quite recent. It was exposed to the outside. It was picked up by satellite photographs. It was a disk. It was at an angle, about maybe a 15° or 20° angle.

David: Okay.

Pete: And it obviously had gotten caught up with the control navigation systems, which we're using, . . . the electromagnetic . . . there's an electromagnetic field, and it got . . . where it got too close to where it goes straight into the ground and, I guess, it slid off.

I mean, there are quite a few electromagnetic things on the craft to help it stabilize, and it picks up the field and then reacts with the electromagnetic field.

David: What was the size of the ship like compared to the other two that were there?

Pete: It was an intermediate size. It wasn't that large, I'd say, maybe, 350 feet, 400 feet in diameter.

David: Hm. And what was the technology like compared to anything else you're aware of?

Pete: Upgraded, considerably upgraded.

David: Is there anything unusual about the third crash?

Pete: Well, the third craft had a lot of living people.

David: Really?

Pete: I don't know that they lasted very long because I know some of them didn't. I know some of them were shot. I know some of them were used for experiments.

David: You mean we found living people inside it?

Pete: They'd been living there for years.

David: Okay.

Pete: I mean, they were growing their own food. They were synthesizing their own food.

David: What were the people . . . What did they look like for this? You said they'd colonized basically once they got there.

Pete: I think this group had people that had been here for a long time that came from somewhere else onto this craft. Some looked like Dracos. Some looked like both the metallic and the non-metallic people with the large eyes.

David: Uh-huh. You're starting to describe what sounds like different types of ETs, but you're saying there's one craft. So could you please specify?

Pete: The one craft was used as a lifeboat.

David: Okay. And there were different types of beings inside?

Pete: There were 15 different species of beings there.

David: Really?

Pete: These are the ones I know the best.

David: Okay. And they were all inside this craft?

Pete: Well, they were inside of various compartments in the craft – different compartments, different atmosphere, different gravities.

And it looked like that some of them had been there for a long, long, long time.

David: When did the U.S. government find this craft?

Pete: I think they probably found it, maybe, about 1941 or 1942.

David: Really? Like World War II?

Pete: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Before the end of World War II.

David: You said that some of these people were killed when we first got there?

Pete: My understanding is that some of them were shot by guards. Some of them decided they didn't want to be restricted to this craft.

There were some of them that breathed our atmosphere fine. They went out for a walk, and then they got shot, because they didn't know the protocol, because they'd never been out there. The guards lied. You know, they were just typical human beings.

David: So the Germans seem to have gotten to Antarctica pretty early, maybe as early as 1938~1939.

Pete: Oh, they had huge [number of] people there.

David: Do you think that the Germans might have found this craft first since you say it's kind of on the surface?

Pete: I'm certain they found it first. I mean, I don't know that for a fact, but I can't imagine how they'd miss it.

David: Okay.

Pete: And, of course, they were way into that, and they were in communication with four or five or six different groups of aliens at the time.

David: So did the Germans do the shooting, or did the Americans do the shooting?

Pete: I have no idea. I would certainly think it was the Germans.

David: This craft . . . It sounds like they might have also gotten down to the other craft if you're saying they landed in the same proximate area. Were they trying to get to those other older craft?

Pete: Yes, the last one was trying to rescue anybody that was still there.

David: Oh!

Pete: And the people in the older craft were in a stasis-type of situation, but it had long since run out of power.

David: Hm. Were the people in the newer craft able to actually use any of the resources or activate any of the power systems?

Pete: They used a lot of the resources.

David: Of the older craft?

Pete: Of one of them, not the bottom one.

David: The middle one?

Pete: The middle one.

David: Okay. So you're saying then that they had created some kind of colony where they're in their original ship. They're also able to access the second ship. And that they had lived there for quite some time as colonists, if you will.

Pete: Some of them had, yes, the ones that lived on.

David: Did they have any ability to travel around the Earth? Did they have any craft they could fly in?

Pete: I don't think that they . . . If they did, they didn't really use them because they didn't want to be discovered. And I don't know that they did. I don't know that they had anything that was running.

David: But these different groups of people – you said there was 15 different types – they'd all learned to get along with each other?

Pete: About as well as 15 different groups from this planet would get along with each other.

David: Well, you had mentioned that some of them look kind of like what we would call Greys.

Pete: Yes.

David: Others maybe look more human. How divergent were these 15 different types?

Pete: Well, you had the ones that were from insects.

David: Hm.

Pete: You had ones that were from underwater or under liquid beings. You had some that were Dracos. There are good and bad Dracos in a one-thirds, two-thirds kind of thing.

David: One-third good, two-thirds bad?

Pete: Yeah, of those that we know of.

David: Okay. So how would you have a predatory species like the Draco able to co-exist with other types of extraterrestrials? That seems hard to understand.

Pete: They don't.

David: Oh!

Pete: I said there are good and bad Dracos.

David: Okay.

Pete: A good Draco's not a problem, in fact, even less than not a problem. They're like the priests and the ministers and try to do good and so forth.

David: Hm!

Pete: Most of them are that way. There are a few of them that are a little snotty.

David: Well, then I would assume that the Dracos that were in this craft were the good ones?

Pete: Absolutely. The rest of them, they got rid of immediately.

David: Ha, ha. Okay.

Pete: Ha, ha. They don't get along well.

David: Did they allow any of us to go in there and work with them or live with them?

Pete: Well, yeah. A good part of the main staff and crew are humans.

David: Hm.

Pete: I mean, we are producing, helping them get raw materials and learning from them. It's a tit for tat.

You know, we're learning a lot of technology. We have technology right now that I would say is a good 300 years in advance of anything that anybody that lives above the ground knows about.

David: Sure.

Pete: Remember, we have lots and lots and lots of people living below the ground.

David: Are there any other significant things that have happened in Antarctica that you know about?

Pete: Well, I have a conjecture that the reason we went there is because we knew about what was going on with the Germans.

On the other hand, the ostensible reason we went there is to see what all we could do in the field of early, early, early field of semi-conductors, biological research. What could you do in this particular – and they called it like atmosphere. In other words, how much electromagnetic waves, how much gravitic waves, how much magnetic structure there was.

The magnetic fields were oriented 90° different than they are on most of the rest of the Earth.

David: Uh-huh.

Pete: And each one of those things we found, had very, very great import for synthesizing metal structures, for synthesizing chemical structures – fluids, both fluids and solids – for working with metals, for doing research work on magnetism, and finding out new things about survival in that particular part of the world because we knew that probably two-thirds of the world's leftover – left from our mining and so forth; those metals and those compounds and those rare Earth and stuff – all exist on these two continents.

David: All right. Well, that's all the time we have for in this episode with Pete Peterson. And Pete, I want to thank you for being on this program.

Pete: Well, I appreciate that.

David: Thank you. And I want to thank you for watching. I'm David Wilcock here with Pete Peterson, and this is “Cosmic Disclosure”. We'll see you next time.

[onawah]

Thanks Andrew.
Do you think it's a coincidence that Wilcock jumped on the subject of the 3 fingered alien just at this juncture, when Gaia has also been featuring info (apparently bogus) about a discovery of three fingered aliens?
See:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98440-Gaia-TV-Nazca-3-fingered-alien-mummies&highlight=nazca+mummies
=
I'd say it's so fishy it stinks to high heaven.
Something weird is going on at Gaia TV, if it really is (or was) a reputable outfit, as Richard Dolan and others have stated.
Could they really be that desperate for money, or is perhaps some kind of pressure being applied from outside?
And Peterson certainly is cynical when it comes to the value of the human race.


Pete: Ha! We're kind of the least people on Earth . . . in the universe that they would visit. What do we have to offer?


[QUOTE=onawah;1170589]Will there be a transcript, Andrew? Thanks!

You're welcome. :bigsmile: The transcript was just released yesterday, so now I can post it here:

[Bob]

Three verses 4 fingers shown in Cartoon Form... Cartoons are the undercurrent in the collective conscious .. consider how programming works

https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/aliens/images/2/22/180px-Martian_300.gif/revision/latest?cb=20120419155530 the three fingered alien bird put into consciousness

The 4 fingered alien as put into consciousness

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/22/c7/8e/22c78e8c131ecafe53fafa97c4719fc9.jpg

its programming and restimulation bolstered by a TV network playing on deep memory ..

[amor]

Very interesting about the mathematical systems; also, the fact that extraterrestrials keep genetically interfering with those they find when they arrive. I always thought the version of the Tower of Babel was that the Anunnaki did not wish the SHEM (spaceship according to Z. Sitchin) to be completed as it would reach an overhead stargate and begin the long trip to Nibiru as Nimrod intended. That they confused the language to stop them says they were here on planet earth at the time and they used a method which was speedy in order to confuse mankind. The idea was that they should be kept technically in the dark as they feared we would be military competitors at some point and THEY were warriors in this region of the galaxy.

[HaveBlue]

Thank you for posting these interviews with PP. I've tried searching You Tube and there are only the Camelot interviews with him....not much else. Here's my problem here. Cory Good is fake news. David Wilcock is associated heavily with Good these days. That being said, I'm not sure I can put much stock into anything that is presented by Wilcock. Perhaps I'm being too critical here but I was always taught that if A = B...and B = C.....therefore A = C. Is anything that is presented by Wilcock at this point valid??

Dave - Toronto

No that is too simplistic. Example...That would mean that if you are a friend of Bills, and I am also a friend of Bills that you and I must be friends too! While it may be the case, it also may not be.