How do you think the soul promotion(5D) will happen?

[Neptun]

I don't know how it will happen. I feel the energy is raising and humanity is waking up.

There are different versions of how the the soul graduation will happen. Some people say there will be 3 days of darkness and the earth will split in 2 different earths and those that are not willing to raise their vibration will be left behind in 4th dimension.

I don't now what to think about the 2012 Dec 21 event?

What do you think?

[9eagle9]

It's already happened. People weren't aware when they evolved into the 4d; I extraordinarily doubt many noticed when 5th dimension began insinuating itself into their perception.

When the few people in this forum who have described how they evolved from 4d to 5D they are typically leapt upon by the new age BS crew or ignored entirely so perhaps that is why no one realizes 'how it will happen'.

[ulli]

Curiosity and speculation play an important role in preparing a person for higher dimensions.

Thoughts indicate to the universe where one wants to be headed and that way the universe can respond in a personal way, via confirmations of such thoughts.

[Fred Steeves]

Please elaborate a bit 9eagle9.

[Sebastion]

Severing attachments within goes a long way towards making room to allow those changes to come more rapidly. Try it, you'll like it! Just adding on to yours Ulli!





Curiosity and speculation play an important role in preparing a person for higher dimensions.

Thoughts indicate to the universe where one wants to be headed and that way the universe can respond in a personal way, via confirmations of such thoughts.

[Wind]

Earth has already shifted, it's just that the people haven't. I believe that some of us have actually caught glimpses of that 4D/5D reality. I'm too interested to know how ascension will actually happen, even though it's really not important. It will happen anyway, but I do hope that it's not through physical death. Of course it is a likely possibility. Many cultures described the purification through fire at the end times. It is known as Somvarta. (http://www.crystallotus.com/AtlantisTheUnivese/06.htm)

We are almost there.

[Neptun]

Bring it on Sun with the Somvarta fire!

I think it's a high frequency that can feel like fire if someone hasn't raised the energy to match it.

I have had an experience where it was like a possession by an angel or something else with divine love. I felt strong divine love the most of the day and it felt a bit too much. My body could not vibrate that high for so long. For someone with very dark vibration, this would probably feel like fire?

That is probably the reason the Elite try to hide underground in their secret bases to avoid being blasted with the Somvarta fire?

[Sebastion]

It doesn't have to be a "physical" fire. There is such a thing as "spiritual" fire which literally burns off "veils" from all around you and in the process raises your conscious awareness dramatically....





Earth has already shifted, it's just that the people haven't. I believe that some of us have actually caught glimpses of that 4D/5D reality. I'm too interested to know how ascension will actually happen, even though it's really not important. It will happen anyway, but I do hope that it's not through physical death. Of course it is a likely possibility. Many cultures described the purification through fire at the end times. It is known as Somvarta. (http://www.crystallotus.com/AtlantisTheUnivese/06.htm)

We are almost there.

[PurpleLama]

5D is a trap.

What an extraordinarily unpopular thing to say.

Wanderers primarily issue from fourth density/green ray and sixth density/indigo ray while most channeling comes from fifth density/blue ray. In 5d it's too visible, the risks involved with incarnating into a lower density for any reason whatsoever, while 4d has the whole martyr(fodder) thing going on. The indigo ray understands how things really work, and how nothing is ever truly lost, therfore the indigo is a big dose of DGAF.

So many are led along a path of raising one's vibrations for the sole purpose of ascension, for escaping this terrible 3d reality, woe is me. That which encourages us to do so is an emanation from a service to self source. The higher, service to others vibration, says raise your vibration and give it all away, for just like money and material things you don't take it with you, you take the changes you made inside yourself, your attitude towards it, etc. If you hoard your energy you're saving up for a rainy day that will never ever end. That is not to say that one should not be careful and use one's energy wisely.

[Neptun]

PurpleLama,

I think we have to be careful not to state speculation as a fact. Non of us really know what will happen.

[Fred Steeves]

I get the sense of traveling on an energetic corridor, so to speak anyway. The farther one travels it, the more refined become it's energetic harmonics. At any point when one's own vibration ceases to match accordingly, the journey stops until it does. I surmise that people who have discovered that this is the pathway home gain a sense of remembrance along the way, building momentum as they learn to trust and let go of everything else that is not needed.

[PurpleLama]

Sorry, neptun. That wasn't speculation at all. If you like, I will delete my post and leave your thread, no hard feelings.

[Wind]

It doesn't have to be a "physical" fire. There is such a thing as "spiritual" fire which literally burns off "veils" from all around you and in the process raises your conscious awareness dramatically....

Yes, it might be an allegory.

[sdv]

I agree that we have been in 4D for who knows how long. It's a myth that we already have to evolve to 4D. But, we also need to remember that various communities/societies are in different mindsets. I still see 1D thinking operating! (My sister worries that too many people are going to be left behind!) I find posts like those on this thread very reassuring and give me hope that, as someone says, if I remain open and curious then the universe can unfold to me naturally.

[Sebastion]

It is something one would never believe is possible until it actually happens to you...that will make you a believer real quick!





It doesn't have to be a "physical" fire. There is such a thing as "spiritual" fire which literally burns off "veils" from all around you and in the process raises your conscious awareness dramatically....

Yes, it might be an allegory.

[spiritguide]

Sorry, neptun. That wasn't speculation at all. If you like, I will delete my post and leave your thread, no hard feelings.

No need to be sorry for stating your truth, it is what it is, many thanks! There is an awareness that when a question is asked that most inquirers will listen to answers and reap what is useful and discard the rest with thanks to the responders. Spiritual growth comes hard for some and respect is a harder lesson when one believes in ego. I for one thank you for your sharing.

:peace:

[9eagle9]

In much the same way the 4d was a trap. And the 3d.Let's head for the 6d and see what densities serve to tempt us and trap us there, eventually we will arrive at that point where we realize the 5, 6, 7 dimensions are the same as 3d --just less dense. And that 3d is actually composed of and permeated by multi dimensions that our limited perceptions were and are not aware of until we engage in that 'burning off process' that Sebastion has described. Maybe we will eventually find a dimension that is so lacking in density as to not trap us there and the first transcendent thought we have is "I've been sorta an ignorant arsehole through many lifetimes, not just this one."

. It suffices to say we label these aspects with numbers to help us manage them but also assign them with values as being target dates in the future, something that must be done to achieve that dimensional level when all we had to do was become aware that is what everything is composed of, and permeated by and that is an expression of ourselves. Instead we prefer to 'think' (a trap of the 4d) its a place even. Work on what is blocking our perception. It suffices to say if a 5th dimensional event were to occur even those who were obsessed by the 'thought' of the 5d would entirely overlook it.

Sometimes I wonder if we are not so much the trapped as the trappers. defining things in a way that we can understand instead of just letting it BE or allowing them to express.

I know of some few entities that claim the 11th dimension for their own, locking it down in a way that traps one from truly realizing what dimensions are. Of course its a place, and if you are very special you can travel there not realizing the freaking condition serves to compose the world we live in know. And its all very special until someone else comes along to state they are from the 13th dimension and then the whole matter collapses into a game of grabbing the baseball bat until the upper hand wins .

We may very well be in the dead center of 1000th dimension but because we are only able to percieve 3 dimensions of 1000 we ......wait for it...must be in the 3d dimension!

Which is akin to saying if you enter a sushi bar in NYC, you of course must be in Japan.


People are waiting for 'the light' to hit the world not realizing they are supposed to be a perceiver and portal of it. Mostly we end up yarking up more 4d density like "dimensions are places" or things to be achieved when they are right here among us unnoticed.

There are no spaces between things. We just percieve space because we cannot not perceive what that space is composed of. Then some of us notice that there are none 3d densities in that space.

When an ability of some sort is made known to us, isn't another dimension of ourselves made known to us.

I don't know what to do about that. I really don't.

I really don't know what to say to people anymore, I really don't, who keep waiting for things to happen that not only have already happened, they were always in existence. Just because we didn't perceive them didn't mean they didn't exist. That would be arrogance, no?




When we become aware of that we realize that perhaps we can achieve and ca
5D is a trap.

What an extraordinarily unpopular thing to say.

Wanderers primarily issue from fourth density/green ray and sixth density/indigo ray while most channeling comes from fifth density/blue ray. In 5d it's too visible, the risks involved with incarnating into a lower density for any reason whatsoever, while 4d has the whole martyr(fodder) thing going on. The indigo ray understands how things really work, and how nothing is ever truly lost, therfore the indigo is a big dose of DGAF.

So many are led along a path of raising one's vibrations for the sole purpose of ascension, for escaping this terrible 3d reality, woe is me. That which encourages us to do so is an emanation from a service to self source. The higher, service to others vibration, says raise your vibration and give it all away, for just like money and material things you don't take it with you, you take the changes you made inside yourself, your attitude towards it, etc. If you hoard your energy you're saving up for a rainy day that will never ever end. That is not to say that one should not be careful and use one's energy wisely.

[Neptun]

WARNING TO AMERICANS: Nasty danish political incorrect humor with pre-war subtitle friendly :hug: bashing sarcasm. :jester:


Sorry, neptun. That wasn't speculation at all. If you like, I will delete my post and leave your thread, no hard feelings.

Maybe my Danish way of saying things sounded a bit too commanding. Sorry about that. We communicate this way.

Denmark is sitting on-top of Germany as the head of the lower European body and the German culture may have influenced us ;) I will use a softer approach.
http://www.mynetbizz.com/budget-hotels/denmark/denmark-map.jpg

German October Beer party:
http://www.vancouversun.com/2012397.bin?size=620x400

Germany is the lower Chakras in the European body dealing with the primitive, but lovely energies pumping up in the head Denmark :pound:

Germany is Europe's primitive wild beast that has to be kept in line, so it does not becomes too dominating and out of control. :whip: It is a tough job, but someone has to do it, that is why UK and Denmark have signed up for it and keep whipping the Germans assess with pre-war guilt humor :boink:

Germany is like a bullied boy and if you don't keep bully him and keep him down and obedient, he will go crazy and think he is a Master race and should rule the universe.

Germans always shut up and become more humble and obedient after our treatment.
:hail:

That is better than they invade Denmark and steal our 20 million+ pigs and turn them into Knackwurst(cooked sausage) and mandatory Oktoberfest where we have to sing "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles). NO THANK YOU! Then it is better to keep them obedient and under control with guilt humor!

It also happens in the EU Parliament:
dranqFntNgo

And on TV:
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I really appreciate your input
Sorry, neptun. That wasn't speculation at all. If you like, I will delete my post and leave your thread, no hard feelings.

No need to delete your post. Just use different rhetoric like I THINK, "5D is a trap. " etc. please. Because non of us know for sure, if it is a trap or not.

[Delight]

In much the same way the 4d was a trap. And the 3d.Let's head for the 6d and see what densities serve to tempt us and trap us there, eventually we will arrive at that point where we realize the 5, 6, 7 dimensions are the same as 3d --just less dense. And that 3d is actually composed of and permeated by multi dimensions that our limited perceptions were and are not aware of until we engage in that 'burning off process' that Sebastion has described. Maybe we will eventually find a dimension that is so lacking in density as to not trap us there and the first transcendent thought we have is "I've been sorta an ignorant arsehole through many lifetimes, not just this one."

. It suffices to say we label these aspects with numbers to help us manage them but also assign them with values as being target dates in the future, something that must be done to achieve that dimensional level when all we had to do was become aware that is what everything is composed of, and permeated by and that is an expression of ourselves. Instead we prefer to 'think' (a trap of the 4d) its a place even. Work on what is blocking our perception. It suffices to say if a 5th dimensional event were to occur even those who were obsessed by the 'thought' of the 5d would entirely overlook it.

Sometimes I wonder if we are not so much the trapped as the trappers. defining things in a way that we can understand instead of just letting it BE or allowing them to express.

Hi,
This point that 9eagle9 makes that we are the trappers is what I am operating on. I'd like to say that I think the ability to operate simultaneously from both "ends" of duality (such as service to others/service to self and all other qualities that create a polar opposition) is what I look at as a 5D construction. In my experience, there was a "time" in which I sincerely believed that this is a purely material "world" in which things happened because of a physical process with a "psychological" underpinning, then I enlarged my understanding to living in a "world" that is psychological with a "mythological" underpinning. However there was always "me" and "them", good/bad etc.....

These constructs seemed to be true...operated as true. There was a reason things happened that I could discover and change happened by plugging INTO these "better" constructions.

Then 5D consciousness of Everything as being a reflection of an inner state with characterizations of SELF changed everything. That to me is my threshold to 5D. There is a way of living in 5D where the world is mythological (the personal myth multiplied billions of times) with an underpinning of All that IS. As the 5D "room" opens up, the operational tools appear to actually experience this living in nonduality.

It is the difference between talking a concept and using the concept that is the "promotion". Love it, love it, love it....its you/me/us that is in service to the Everything all the time. Love, Maggie

[sdv]

Yes, it is our mind and beliefs that enslaves us and create our reality. I must admit though that I also hold a hope in my mind that some external event will 'free' my mind and take me into higher dimensions! I am grateful that this hope/thought is challenged on this forum. 9eagle9 I find your words very inspirational. The belief in evolution is just another enslavement of our minds. As is revealed on this forum the belief in linear evolution of consciousness - well there is just too much that does not fit that theory!

[WhiteFeather]

This explains it a bit for me. Great message by The Hopi Elder. Got Spirituality? Time to get centered.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvHMe3F411E&feature=related

[Neptun]

double post

[Feritciva]

I've been thinking on this for a while too. And I too believe it has already began. Some people even made the transition - be they aware or not.


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---From now on this post will include personal thoughts and observations. None of these are proved tight or wrong. No New Ager or hardcore sceptic is harmed while writing this post ---

I think "3 days of darkness" is not physical - it's not even collective. It's purely in consciousness and very personal. And these 3 days are "yesterday - today - tomorrow". There is a point in soul's progress - getting free of 3D constructions, let's say - that everything is dark, meaningless and very hard to cope. This may or may not manifest itself in outside world too - like losing jobs, divorces, leaving one's birth place, big material losses etc. These outside manifestations may also add to this feeling of darkness - or can make these 3 days even longer. Unfortunately it seems this 3 days of darkness is necessary for getting through 4D & 5D for average person. If one is very well evolved he/she may not live through this but they are very rare and possibly they are incarnated light beings who is here to help 3D people to make this transition.

In this darkness time, it is crucial how a person responds. If he/she falls to old structures/old thinking/old paradigm (like organised religions, searching for a guru etc) he/she may end up in negative side of 4D/5D. If he/she thinks everything he has done is meaningless and in vain, he may get stuck in 3D to repeat it for another lifetime(s).

I don't think 5D is a trap. This thinking is not helpful. One may also think 3D is trap, look there are wars, poverty, hunger, violence etc in the world. But 3D also has nature, love, friendship, Pink Floyd etc. :) Depends on what you look for and where you choose to be in your life time.

That's all for now. Personally i'm in the middle of this 3 days of darkness. If/when i find the light, i may also write about it.

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[WhiteFeather]

IMO..,..5d is not a trap, 3d is the trap and 3d has been a trap for eons. Many want to leave this 3d trap and graduate or ascend if you will, Mother Earth has been tampered with by the upper hierarchy keeping us in 3d. Hope this helps. PS Im looking to hopefully graduate Planet Earth this year, i might just have enough credits. Just need to work a little more on my final thesis.

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/money/GraduateRexNovastock440.jpg

[DreamsInDigital]

The way it's been explained to me is like with the visual of a cracking dam that's been holding back the colorado river, it's cracking and water/energy is seeping out. But, soon that dam is going to break and crumble to pieces all that water/energy is going to come rushing out. Our consciousness is going to expand, and that expansion will be what pushes us into 5D. But, it's only going to happen once all the Cabal, and Regressive Reptoids and Grays are removed from the planet, as they and their negative energy are what is holding us all back. Hopefully what I'm saying and the way I'm explaining it makes sense.

[Wind]

IMO..,..5d is not a trap, 3d is the trap and 3d has been a trap for eons. Many want to leave this 3d trap and graduate or ascend if you will, Mother Earth has been tampered with by the upper hierarchy keeping us in 3d. Hope this helps.

http://cdn.instanttrap.com/trap.jpg


It's a trap (http://instanttrap.com/)... At least for us wanderers/lightworkers, but then again we chose to come aid Mother Earth in this time of transition. I must say what on Earth was I thinking back there?! How foolish of me... Or brave?

[nearing]

It's always been my understanding that our waking reality is 3D and our dreaming (when we lay down to sleep and our brain swtch to Delta waves) is 4D. Going to 5D would rise a bit above both of them.

[Delight]

The way it's been explained to me is like with the visual of a cracking dam that's been holding back the colorado river, it's cracking and water/energy is seeping out. But, soon that dam is going to break and crumble to pieces all that water/energy is going to come rushing out. Our consciousness is going to expand, and that expansion will be what pushes us into 5D. But, it's only going to happen once all the Cabal, and Regressive Reptoids and Grays are removed from the planet, as they and their negative energy are what is holding us all back. Hopefully what I'm saying and the way I'm explaining it makes sense.

This idea that we are not able to "expand" in consciousness until a removal of "something" outside us does not seem to hang together to me anymore. It seems to me that the "removal" is what Sebastion referenced as a "burning off" of those beliefs which constrain us. But if we refuse to actively court the burning off, we may be very uncomfortable indeed. Resistance creates friction and friction is what is painful.

In looking at the Archons as a synthetic parasitic "entity" which infects and controls, I had to encounter my own willingness to subscribe to such a construct. Then I recognized that my paranoia of being controled was the very "problem" of my own imprisonment in a constraint of powerlessness. Then I looked at how this in a way was comfortable. Why? Because as long as there is a reason outside me, I'd not be responsible and could blame my discomfort and project and take the "heat off"

The part of me that has actually been "enjoying" the boundary is fairly paralyzed by the idea of freedom to expand. It feels stark fear at the prospect. This looks like the Cave of Plato. The shadow world is so familiar. What is outside is the devil I do not know. The preferable devil is my familiar one (hehe).

It gets a bit "rabbit hole-ish" because I have actually been feeling the walls closing in personally so that I sense I must expand or will surely die. Something in me is insistent to crack the walls myself so I can live through this change. It hurts a bit (No, alot). The 3 days of darkness may well be when we are able to sense the limits and yet cannot embrace being cracked open and so we are stuck for a moment and it is DARK.

I think that by its very nature, consciousness must crack the dam because maybe in this "time", this is what consciousness chooses for us whether we are"ready" or not. I am not certain we have a choice of anything but how we experience the opening.

This is my mythology....Maggie

[RunningDeer]

For some, it’s Now. My focus is not so much on the ‘how’ or ‘when’ because it will happen in an instant. Whether it be through stages of recognition or in an instant, anything and all is possible.

Descriptions of what it is or is not, really don’t matter. We are in the last stages of shedding these skins. There is a quickening phenomenon. A process of awakening to our greater beings. There's a defining moment when you either sense, or a gut knowing, or hear inside the head, "Now what?, what else?"  Just dial up the listening. It's an inner listening. Raise the Light vibration.

The goal is to shed fears through honesty of whatever prevents you from becoming part of the Whole. Stop behaviors that divide. Encourage everyone to find what brings them to a state of inner peace. Become aware of how you spread your presence. How you effect change through giving of yourself without the expectation of something in return.

If everyone makes a slight adjustment in unconditional living, we can shift the balance from ordinary consciousness to our Higher Consciousness. One small change, spreading in intensity towards the sleepers at the ready to awaken. How? Through modeling. You live your best life, and others intuitively pick up on the essence and sincerity of their Oneness of Whole, whether it be through stages of recognition or in an instant.

FFT: If this "5D and beyond" is bunk, we’ll still live upon Mother Earth in Higher Consciousness where everyone has a full belly and everyone has a warm, dry place to sleep in the Now, of the One. Win-Win.

[Mozart]

There are quite a few misconceptions about the nature of 3-D, 4-D and 5-D.


My perceptions of these densities and dimensions are based on the Ra Material.

http://www.lawofone.info/

And I'm very confident that the Ra Material is not in error about these densities / dimensions.


So, to start with: 3-D.


3-D space/time is the physical reality that we all function and live in; we share a 3-D dimensional reality, but it has an infinite number of levels within that 3-D reality.


When we dream, we slip into the 3-D time/space reality, which is via our astral body into dream time. 3-D time/space is a mirror of 3-D space/time, but the former is the dream world, the latter is the waking, physical world.


3-D space/time = waking, physical reality; three dimensions of space, one dimension of time.

3-D time/space = dreamtime; three dimensions of time, one dimension of space.


And, yes, 3-D space/time reality can be perceived to be a "trap" -- via the karmic binds of the Laws of Karma being applied if one incurs karma while being incarnate in 3-D space/time.


The veil of illusion is fully in effect in 3-D space/time, so it is by that veil that one can forget one's own roots of coming from the higher dimensions (4-D, 5-D and 6-D) as wanderers who bravely choose to incarnate here in 3-D space/time in order to help with the ascension process that's happening right now.


But hardly anybody gets stuck forever ... all wake up eventually; however, it can feel like a dizzying merry-go-round for a bit, though!


One does not "choose" to go to a higher dimension -- one moves forward into the dimensions to the point where one cannot handle the increasing brightness/intensity of the part in the dimension, then one is forced to stop at one's limit of tolerance of the intensity of Light/Love that one can take -- that's the limit of how far one can progress.


So that limit can be anywhere ... beit 3-D to 5-D. In 6-D, one must merge one's duality and become unified in their beingness if one wants to progress any further.


The veil of illusion is in full effect in 3-D space/time; the veil can be penetrated, but it takes a lot of effort to do so. The veil of illusion is not in effect in 4-D and 5-D, but the energies of duality continues in those dimensions, albeit with far greater harmoniousness than in 3-D. 4-D and 5-D are heavenly Nirvana, compared to the crazy 3-D ... that's by design of how the respective realities function.

[<8>]

Hi..

Many of us seems to have forgot about how we ended up where we are at this point, my view, I have is that most of us have gone through alot of pain and suffering.
And now many of us is all caught up what's going on around the world with all the insanity and we feel we need to help to save what we can.
And even if that might be a noble quest and all are free to do so if they want.

Its really more pain and suffering we need to wake up more people.


Now, if there is an intervention in the end of this year, I would say great in that moment.

But for now I stay away from mind believes..

..8..

[Forevernyt]

I hope this doesn't sound like fear mongering, but this thought popped into my head while I was walking to lunch. What if, the whole ascension to the 5th density takes place due to the building 4 collapsing at Fukushima? And what if the collapse happens on 12/21/12?

Many souls would be free from the 3rd density and able to move on to higher realms.
It's just a thought.

[wynderer]

IMO..,..5d is not a trap, 3d is the trap and 3d has been a trap for eons. Many want to leave this 3d trap and graduate or ascend if you will, Mother Earth has been tampered with by the upper hierarchy keeping us in 3d. Hope this helps. PS Im looking to hopefully graduate Planet Earth this year, i might just have enough credits. Just need to work a little more on my final thesis.

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/money/GraduateRexNovastock440.jpg

exactly -- i've been reading thru this thread & wondering when someone would bring up the Matrix -- as i see it , both our 3D bodies & our 4D minds [includes the unconscious, & the astral planes, some of them anyway] are trapped in an EMF/thought forms Matrix

i don't think this is true for the 3D Universe in general -- it's only planet Earth & maybe the rest of our solar system that are in the middle of a silent takeover by an expanding galactic empire

edit to answer the original question of this thread -- i had a very real dream maybe 10 yrs ago -- i was on a cliff overlooking the ocean -- a rather large swath of land --[at the time i had a bumper sticker that read ' GO LEMMINGS GO!] i could see other Humans scattered around the cliff top here & there -- & i could feel that there were many many more beings --all Human -- all around us but in another dimension

suddenly something happened -- in a FLASH! -- all the invisible humans diappeared -- the rest of us were all looking at each other -- some huge dark heavy weight that we had all be boen into & lived in all our lives was GONE! a sense of freedom! & joy -- we were all telepathically communicating about this

[buckminster fuller]

The whole 3d / 4d / 5d /6d thing is a trap in itself, once people realise that change is initiated through will, and not owned in any way, or thanks to outside help, the world will be a better place for all. Life happens outside. Helping yourself and others is the only way.

[PurpleLama]

Caution, contains violence:

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I favor the terminology derived from the Law of One, as I see the colors as being slightly less confusing as using the numbers, but misunderstanding arises, nonetheless. One word can mean several different things, given by context, and in our new age lingo, we use many words in new and different ways, which furthers the confusion of communication. That which is emenating from the blue ray, that is enticing us toward it with which some of us see as empty promises which others of us bet the farm on. There is a trap, and one must exercise one's discernment to the utmost to be sure of the nature of whatever is leading us personally, spiritually. We all need to understand better why we raise our vibrations, in my understanding. If the purpose is to escape an uncomfortable situation, to be saved upon by an outside source, then in my estimation, much more internal analysis needs to be done, and one's sources should be examined further. When the calvary arrives, it becomes apparent that we are it. We are promoted/graduated when the choice is made and internal balance is realized.

[another bob]

Buddhism has spent nearly 3 millenia considering the issue, and provides us with the following criteria for "graduation" from this realm:

!. Penetrating the illusion of a separate and enduring self

2. Relinquishing all doubt and skepticism regarding one's true nature and condition

3. Seeing through and discarding all beliefs and second-hand dogmas

4. Transcending all craving, greed, and envy

5. Eliminating all hate and ill will

Of course, this is not the end of the story by far, just the end of the kindergarden curriculum, where we have come to learn the basics of how to behave.

[pilotsimone]

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[jorr lundstrom]

Reading through this thread I feel like a retired station-master,
sitting on the station watching the trains pass. Here comes a
train, I dont give a damn. And here comes yet another, i dont
care about that either. And here comes.............

You are all so sweet and wot a lot of word you produce.

Kiss....... LOL


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/kotunga.jpg


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[Carmen]

Does that come with being 62 jorr? I sort of just watch nowadays! Everything has become quite hohum. You know, been there, done that, read that, got that! Observing in silence seems to be my lot here on this forum now. Not that I'm complaining, it's very peaceful and quiet. And I've gone right off the topic! sorry!!

[another bob]

Reading through this thread I feel like a retired station-master,
sitting on the station watching the trains pass. Here comes a
train, I dont give a damn. And here comes yet another, i dont
care about that either. And here comes.............



http://i41.tinypic.com/2ijkyz8.gif

:yo:

[jorr lundstrom]

Yes, Carmen its all about reaching the treshold 62. Lovely.
6+2= 8, ah the lemniscat, eternity. Falling into a bowl
with milk, watching the world through a milk-haze, having
nothing wotsoever to accomplish, no ambitions at all. and
actually nothing else either, nada. Watching a Marsh Harrier
just for the beauty in its flight, planting seeds, one at a time.
Life living itself. I experience a great gratefulness, just being
here, on this planet now. Its overwhelming. Tears dripping.


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/tuppmhns.jpg


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[OnyxKnight]

Sorry to play the Vulcan here - But logic dictates the following question - Where's 4D in all of this?

[Neptun]

How to reach Zen

Tibet:
http://www.anvention.com/images/tonglen.jpg

India:
http://www.topindiatravel.com/images/inner_images/north-india-119-185/big/yoga-classes-in-rishikesh184.jpg

Native American ritual dance:
http://www.gatewaytosedona.com/image/articles/1463/NativeAmericanDancers.jpg

Sweden:
Rescue a drunk Swedish moose stuck in a tree:
YcDId0S78MM

[OnyxKnight]

The whole 3d / 4d / 5d /6d thing is a trap in itself, once people realise that change is initiated through will, and not owned in any way, or thanks to outside help, the world will be a better place for all. Life happens outside. Helping yourself and others is the only way.

This ^ ^ ^ ^

[9eagle9]

Sorry to play the Vulcan here - But logic dictates the following question - Where's 4D in all of this?

Consciousness. It hasn't been that long since it was perceived as dimension of ourselves that was non physical.

[OnyxKnight]

Sorry to play the Vulcan here - But logic dictates the following question - Where's 4D in all of this?

Consciousness. It hasn't been that long since it was perceived as dimension of ourselves that was non physical.

That's the thing, there is nothing physical about it. After 3D, there is nothing else for us to look for.

[Deega]

It's already happened. People weren't aware when they evolved into the 4d; I extraordinarily doubt many noticed when 5th dimension began insinuating itself into their perception.

When the few people in this forum who have described how they evolved from 4d to 5D they are typically leapt upon by the new age BS crew or ignored entirely so perhaps that is why no one realizes 'how it will happen'.

Thanks 9eagle9, how interesting!, and you are probably right!

All is there right this moment!, our soul, spirit are on a continuous journey toward light!

All the best to you.

Deega

[9eagle9]

Even non physical dimensions have a certain amount of density to them. Consciousness is filled with density. Yurk, yuck, puke. Dimensions beyond that not quite so much so.





Sorry to play the Vulcan here - But logic dictates the following question - Where's 4D in all of this?

Consciousness. It hasn't been that long since it was perceived as dimension of ourselves that was non physical.

That's the thing, there is nothing physical about it. After 3D, there is nothing else for us to look for.

[truthseekerdan]

There is no such thing as "soul promotion". All is One Consciousness manifesting (having) infinite experiences and possibilities at different levels of awareness. Ultimately everything is an illusionary manifestation, of the One Infinite Consciousness...

[OnyxKnight]

Guys, guys ...

using the word dimension of even density to describe this process we all seem to be referring to, is also leading you in the wrong direction.

[9eagle9]

And the right direction would be?


Guys, guys ...

using the word dimension of even density to describe this process we all seem to be referring to, is also leading you in the wrong direction.

[Cilka]

I don't know how it will happen. I feel the energy is raising and humanity is waking up.

There are different versions of how the the soul graduation will happen. Some people say there will be 3 days of darkness and the earth will split in 2 different earths and those that are not willing to raise their vibration will be left behind in 4th dimension.

I don't now what to think about the 2012 Dec 21 event?

What do you think?

Neptun, I truly think that it is almost impossible to know how the transition will occur. There are many versions out there, which is understandable because the human mind is naturally creative and it always aims to understand things in detail, and I am happy to say that I also have my own version of what might happen but the reality is that I am not 100% sure that it is the one based on truth. Personally I have decided that I will just wait and see and will respond the best way I can as it happens. I think that it is hard to prepare for something that has never occured in the past, and if it had happened in the past, well I cannot remember in this body how I had responded to the transition thousands of years ago.

However, I find it very helpful to have read about all the versions out there that the human minds have come up with, and the best lesson I have learned from all that is that I will never listen to anyone what they think is the best thing for me to do. Especially if someone screams at me that now is the right time for me to walk THROUGH THAT PORTAL which will lead me to the paradise that so many have talked about so passionately. Time will tell, only if time exists in the first place.

[UnrealDreams]

I agree with pilotsimone. 21/12/2012 is not the single event that will elevate us to another dimension. This will be just the beginning of the escalation of the process that has already begun. All of what we would now call the year 2013 will be a time for us to step up to the challenges, in the midst of the divine plan.

Be aware that your DNA is receptive to the changes coming. Be ready for your DNA to evolve. Love.

Give mother earth her due gratitude. Walk barefoot everyday to stay in tune with mother earth's vibrations. Love.

Stop using your brain, and think with your heart. Love.

[buckminster fuller]

And the right direction would be?


Guys, guys ...

using the word dimension of even density to describe this process we all seem to be referring to, is also leading you in the wrong direction.

Do your purpose, experience, experiment, observe... Connect with life and not with fantasies.

[buckminster fuller]

Stop using your brain, and think with your heart. Love.

Never quit thinking, don't worry this too is a natural process, and it happens only in the brain, your heart will only let you know, through the emotional, the physiological, what your sub-conscious is about.

[OnyxKnight]

And the right direction would be?


Guys, guys ...

using the word dimension of even density to describe this process we all seem to be referring to, is also leading you in the wrong direction.

Try comparing this to the levels of evolutionary mental/conscious development:


1st stage - Priorisence (examples ranging from viruses to some forms of multicellular life)

2nd stage - Sentience (examples ranging from insects to all larger animals)

3rd stage - Sapience (examples ranging from several animal species to humans)

And the hints of the 4th stage, "savance". There is limited and very biased opinions on this, but try finding less mainstream takes on savant humans.


So ease off with the 5th stage thing. We barely touched the fourth.



These are the stages of development, or "Ascension" (if you will) of consciousness. Not traveling through dimensions, aspects of mathematics etc., or so called "densities", with the new age terminology.


As you can see, we are in the 3rd stage. This is deliberately ****ed up by certain groups who promote new age crap to be thought as 3D (3rd Dimension), in the sense we all know its referred to.

That listing above is the direction where your understanding should go.



PS: I've talked about this before numerous times. I dunno why people ignore it.

[markpierre]

Boy, that's a lot of busy stuff.

For as many answers to this question as you get, you'll get as many wrong answers. Sorry.

Why don't you let it be a surprise?

[9eagle9]

It's not possible to do any of those things without first removing density from one's consciousnesses, or to be able to observe beyond that.

Dimensions are only units of measurement. I didn't change that, fantasies did.. Fantasies are density. Thoughts have density. Clearing conscious density allows one to begin to see this for themselves. Those who have done this observe this phenom , those who don't continue to create beliefs, and keep setting transformation into the future.

The non physical has a certain amount of density otherwise the physical eyes would not be able to perceive them.

If ones' DNA is receptive then one's DNA could be transformed now.

Why are people always waiting for something to happen in the future instead of allowing it to happen now.

Beliefs. Which are in part density.

People who support this is a matrix world where physical density is only projections still do not understand that density would have to be projected by one's thoughts and beliefs.




And the right direction would be?


Guys, guys ...

using the word dimension of even density to describe this process we all seem to be referring to, is also leading you in the wrong direction.

Do your purpose, experience, experiment, observe... Connect with life and not with fantasies.

[9eagle9]

Because you can't demonstrate it.

Dimension is literal and demonstrated. Units of measurement. Why is a hypercube different than an ordinary cube?

I have used a similar comparison-- of the body, the mind, the spirit and consciousness. It still remains that dimensions convey measurement. I didn't change that, new agers did. So you are measuring sentience and sapience , is the evolution or dimensions or stages. Dimensions are dimensions and stages are stages. So you are partially correct and heading in the right direction.

The moment EXTRA SENSORY PERCEPTION became a mainstream world, a battle has been fought to make sure that one seen where that was heading. Its a word people seldom use these days because its through perception that dimensions are observed. Take a 3d article and one observe its dimensions.

Over our history we've had several episodes of ego growth that did what? Impaired our ability to percieve.

Now is there a dimension of ourselves that not everyone is perceiving. Because of the 'Oneness' mind traps , people have come to expect that if a dimensional event were to occur then EVERYONE, should be experiencing it. Some people do not have the abilty to perceive in a mulit dimensional way because they prefer the density of thoughts and ideas.

They claim they are multi faceted and multi dimensional because its a thought , a density, instilled in their head. They cannot percieve the very thing they are talking about.

if one observes the artwork of past, ancient and primitive cultures one begins to understand that point of perspective always remained , however the way things people perceived the world could be very one or two dimensional. They couldn't perceive depth or develop a point of perspective because of that. Eventually they did and although the art itself remains one dimensional it begins to show an understanding that our forebears perception developed over time, the ability to percieve in a 3 dimensional way. Dimensions are just there waiting for the observer to percieve it.

Anything to do with dimensions is all about perception. What is more dense a piece of paper, or a rock? The rock appears to have more density. You can measure the rock's density compared to the paper by observation. Which is more vibrational, the rock or the paper. If you apply percussion (energy) to the paper it will reflect a high vibrational rate it will vibrate--tap the rock and see what happens.

Light, vibration, density , dimensions have always been what they are. These things can be demonstrated. What can't be demonstrated is the meanings that people re-assigned values to it, beliefs to them. You change something and make it into something its not, you no longer observe it because you are not aware of it. One is waiting to see something else.

Why is there not more light in the world. Because someone changed what light meant. There's lots of light in the world. Half the day is light is here.

Why can't someone achieve a higher vibration. Because someone changed what the word meant. Everyone has a high vibrational rate, that vibration is not observed or perceived because of the density or thoughts dampen ones perception of it.

A 'high' vibrational person is allegedly someone who glides around with their palms pressed together, telling others they love them. They are actually very dense to the point of stupidity because they convey this density to others. That is not how vibration is conveyed.

Telling someone you love them is not love. Love is demonstrated, it can perceived.

People communicate using their tongues. How do plants communicate with people. By using our tongue. A whole other dimension of ourselves is opened for us in allowing this.

Why did an allegedly advanced culture like Egypt convey their world in terms that are really not much more than jazzed up stick figures. Due to their perception.





And the right direction would be?


Guys, guys ...

using the word dimension of even density to describe this process we all seem to be referring to, is also leading you in the wrong direction.

Try comparing this to the levels of evolutionary mental/conscious development:


1st stage - Priorisence (examples ranging from viruses to some forms of multicellular life)

2nd stage - Sentience (examples ranging from insects to all larger animals)

3rd stage - Sapience (examples ranging from several animal species to humans)

And the hints of the 4th stage, "savance". There is limited and very biased opinions on this, but try finding less mainstream takes on savant humans.


So ease off with the 5th stage thing. We barely touched the fourth.



These are the stages of development, or "Ascension" (if you will) of consciousness. Not traveling through dimensions, aspects of mathematics etc., or so called "densities", with the new age terminology.


As you can see, we are in the 3rd stage. This is deliberately ****ed up by certain groups who promote new age crap to be thought as 3D (3rd Dimension), in the sense we all know its referred to.

That listing above is the direction where your understanding should go.



PS: I've talked about this before numerous times. I dunno why people ignore it.

[9eagle9]

The heart doesn't think it knows.

The mind thinks. And this has a certain value to it but also risks having its beliefs, thoughts and ideas, override knowing. One can transform their mind into becoming a valuable tool when its not over-riding knowing.

In the same way people confuse awareness with consciousness, people confuse the heart and mind. Love is often just a mimic created by the mind, artificial attachments to something--a person, an idea.

Most new age ideas are attachment to thoughtforms as Sebastion noted on his thread, the unraveling of a great secret.

We are so attached to the Oneness idea that we have become more individual. The idea does nothing. You can have a stage, and lights and an audience but if people are not expressing or playing out Oneness there is no play.

One is integrated, and it begins with self integration, pulling one together from the myraid soup of ideas, thoughts and beliefs.

We are attached to the idea that something is coming to save us. That is an old thought, an old density plopped on the psyche thousands of yeas ago, and its expressed in our religions, in our politics and in our spirituality . Isn't our presidential elections just waiting for the right person to come along and save us?

We are always taught to wait. This is why we progress so slowly. People who are waiting all the time make little progress.

We wait for the bus. If went to find the bus we'd realize the bus was unnecessary in the first place.






Stop using your brain, and think with your heart. Love.

Never quit thinking, don't worry this too is a natural process, and it happens only in the brain, your heart will only let you know, through the emotional, the physiological, what your sub-conscious is about.

[WhiteFeather]

From the Ra Materials. The Law of One. May ad some insight perhaps to this thread:

There are seven densities of experience.

First density is the density of awareness, in which the planet moves out of the timeless state into physical manifestation. Its inhabitants are earth, wind, water, and fire.

Second density is the density of growth, in which what we call biological life emerges and evolves into greater and greater complexity.

Third density is the density of choice, in which certain of the biological entities are invested with spirits and choose which way they will further their evolution toward the Creator.

Fourth density is the density of love. Those who have successfully chosen come together with others of like mind in order to pursue that choice, either towards loving self or loving others.

Fifth density is the density of wisdom. Those who have studied the love of self or of others now learn to be wise in their service.

Sixth density is the density of unity. In it love and wisdom are blended together. The two paths reunite as those on the service-to-self path, realizing that they cannot successfully master the lessons of unity without opening their hearts to others, switch their polarity to positive.

Seventh density is the gateway density, the last step before we become again that which we have always been, the One Infinite Creator.

Eighth density is also the beginning of the first density of the next Creation.

Between seventh and eight densities, I believe, the creation re-merges in a period of timeless, formless unity with the Creator.

http://www.lawofone.info/synopsis.php?sc=1

[WhiteFeather]

IMO.....I believe to gain access to 5d. You need to Love wholeheartedly in the 4d transitional stage if you will , It could be that simple.

~Be Love~ W.f.

[Alie]

IMO.....I believe to gain access to 5d. You need to Love wholeheartedly in the 4d transitional stage if you will , It could be that simple.

~Be Love~ W.f.

A question, Whitefeather ... Somewhere I've come across that some info suggests that the ascension skips 4d (because it's something to do with time) and goes straight to 5d. What do you think?

[Mozart]

A question, Whitefeather ... Somewhere I've come across that some info suggests that the ascension skips 4d (because it's something to do with time) and goes straight to 5d. What do you think?




I hope that you don't mind, brother Whitefeather, of my attempting to answer this question? And thank you for posting the 8 densities, per the Ra Material.


Alie -- the Earth's ascension will not skip the 4th dimension.


Earth will have a fully manifest, physical 4th dimension for 30 million years before going on to the 5th dimension.


However, many wanderers who are on Earth now have already graduated from their respective 3rd density graduations and had been living in the 4th, 5th and 6th densities, so those whom had left their home densities to assist with the ascension process on Earth will likely go back to their home densities when the ascension process is done.


There is approximately 100 million+ wanderers on Earth right now.

[Delight]

I may not be sure where "it" is, but I KNOW that there is someplace that I use as a contrast with what is "here". Why is that? And I do not have a clue about where to find this clearly really somewhere that is not at all like here.

Words, words, words sound like babble and yet the FEELING I know.

I hold onto trust that when I am ready, I'll be "there"

On a side note, this movie "Defending Your Life" is a classic......

eQmJl1CQx2o

[Sidney]

I don’t see how I can significantly shift in consciousness without facing ALL of my fears…sincerely feeling (grieving) the traumas I’ve endured and buried.

Because of how painful this can be (I’m highly sensitive and tend to resist), I too view this as my metaphorical 3 days of darkness.

I’ve felt more than a handful of times over the last few years that I am dying…while going through the process of dealing with my deep-seated fears (lots of survival issues with me).

Many of my friends and family are starting to feel the squeeze. Illness, divorce, job loss, and death are starting to hit their personal lives…giving them the opportunity to deal with their own 'stuff'.

This is why I don't feel eager to burden them with too much alternative media info (in order to wake them up). I can sense that it's overkill...unnecessary.

The idea of one event (such as 12/21/12) taking care of all that FOR us, doesn’t resonate with me. One event may kick off an awakening, but the work must be done.

I just can’t see anyway around that...though I admit my limited view.

I really love your post here, i could have written it myself as everything you said I fully resonate with. Its not a one day even, but a process drawn out over time.

[Neptun]

I may not be sure where "it" is, but I KNOW that there is someplace that I use as a contrast with what is "here". Why is that? And I do not have a clue about where to find this clearly really somewhere that is not at all like here.

Words, words, words sound like babble and yet the FEELING I know.

I hold onto trust that when I am ready, I'll be "there"

On a side note, this movie "Defending Your Life" is a classic......

eQmJl1CQx2o

Looking forward to see that movie. Thanks.

I think I use more than 5%. I can even think with left and right brains at the same time. It feels like paradox thinking. To hold to opposite views at the same time and agree to them both, Fear is what holds us back. The moment we let go of fear, is the moment we get smarter.

I have noticed most people are extremely dumb, as I'm in idiocracy. It is probably because I'm getting smarter. I can debate PhDs etc. and I don't even think it is a challenge.

Many of us that are awake probably feel the same way- hopefully.