What if “the Plan” actually and tangibly begins to occur?

[Chester]

I have seen many threads addressing “what if the Plan never happens” so I thought we needed a thread as to what if it actually and tangibly begins to happen.

This thread addresses matters discussed in the following threads:

Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

Massive Bank and High Profile Resignations Across the World

Inside info. Good news (Neptune)

Something I have considered –
Within the Oneness is this good and evil / light and darkness duality we experience.

If someone at their soul level leans to the dark side, I imagine they incarnate in a situation where they can explore their proclivity such that their soul might be able to change its mind. I assume the same applies to a soul that leans to the side of light. Keep in mind my exploration here is restricted to the realm of duality which we seem to be heavily exploring on earth at this time.

Now let’s consider those who have chosen the dark side and incarnated in a situation where during their life they have continued to choose the dark side. They may one day have risen to a powerful position in the dark side’s pyramid. I know some think a psychopath can never be changed nor reformed, but isn’t it possible that some who have chosen the dark and risen very high in the pyramid structure and could actually have retained that small, inner voice that comes from the light? And that even though they may have a great deal of personal baggage to wade through in any attempt to reinvent themselves, isn’t it possible that some of the folks who have recently resigned might actually have done so because they finally decided to honestly explore the possibility they have made the wrong choice?

Greg Smith from Goldman Sachs is someone who comes to mind. I doubt he suddenly saw the light in an instant, I have a feeling he struggled within himself for years before he made the decision to quit and to write his op-ed piece –

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/14/opinion/why-i-am-leaving-goldman-sachs.html?pagewanted=all

Surely there are many who chose the darker paths life offers and have had a personal heart to heart talk with themselves where some decide enough is enough.

My point – if/when the situation on earth comes to a head – something I personally hope for and want to happen as most of the awake and/or aware of humanity does also – and if we consider the effect of the consciousness of individuals upon the collective, I suggest it is critical we handle each individual who may be regarded as one of “the bad guys” and/or a willing henchman high up in the structure with this consideration in mind. If we throw them all into FEMA camps and do not make our best efforts to assist them at reconsidering their prior choice in alignment with the dark side, I suspect the rate of positive change our world will experience would be much slower than otherwise.

Just something I have been exploring considering the early stages of implementation of “the Plan” as I honestly explore my own reactions (my anger is at the top of my personal list which if I do not control may result in decisions and actions I might later regret).

justoneman

[foreverfan]

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[kathymarie]

Amen, Foreverfan...

[pilotsimone]

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[foreverfan]

Even though I have no detailed memories, I feel strongly I’ve been a murderer, torturer, rapist, and pedophile at some point on my journey. I know for certain I have it in me to destroy everyone around me (even my children)…

You may have forgotten one... the scurge of the Internet.

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[Snowbird]

Great pictures foreverfan!! I'm laughing so hard that I'm crying. :lol:

[GoodETxSG]

IF it does not happen. Yipes... it will take a while to reach critical mass with the general public while being misled by the MSM...
My guess...
Then we take to the streets like the "Occupy People" minus the urinating in public or the Tea Party protesters... much of the military will join in. Everyone one, not some STOP Paying Mortgage, Rent, Car Payments take all of your money out of the banks and use only cash or precious metals or bartering. Then I guess build some Guillotines and begin citizen arrests. Eventually these things Will happen, with all of the ugly rioting, smashing in of store windows, dragging the elite by their ankles out into the streets.. total Chaos will insue once we have had enough. SO, I pray to God that the "Plan" does occur before everything goes to Hell. But as usual, I could be way off... I know the love and light people will say "Put Daisies in the rifles of the Guns pointed at us"... and I love that about the higher evolved people on this site... but the MOBS are not evolved... A person can be smart/evolved but PEOPLE are scary and murderous.

[the_vast_mystery]

IF it does not happen. Yipes... it will take a while to reach critical mass with the general public while being misled by the MSM...
My guess...
Then we take to the streets like the "Occupy People" minus the urinating in public or the Tea Party protesters... much of the military will join in. Everyone one, not some STOP Paying Mortgage, Rent, Car Payments take all of your money out of the banks and use only cash or precious metals or bartering. Then I guess build some Guillotines and begin citizen arrests. Eventually these things Will happen, with all of the ugly rioting, smashing in of store windows, dragging the elite by their ankles out into the streets.. total Chaos will insue once we have had enough. SO, I pray to God that the "Plan" does occur before everything goes to Hell. But as usual, I could be way off... I know the love and light people will say "Put Daisies in the rifles of the Guns pointed at us"... and I love that about the higher evolved people on this site... but the MOBS are not evolved... A person can be smart/evolved but PEOPLE are scary and murderous.

After reading about how the so-called "investigation" with the Big banks touted at Obama's SOTU (http://truth-out.org/news/item/8658-yet-another-big-lie-mortgage-fraud-investigation-not-staffed) speech wasn't even given staff by the DOJ...I'm pretty sure if something doesn't happen in enough time we will get into pitchforks and torches territory once people figure out just how badly the banking system hoodwinked them in 2008 and is still at it today.

P.S. The public urination was grossly exaggerated (when you have free food/shelter it's hard not to attract the local homeless population and many of them have various mental health issues) and sanitation was actually a high priority at Occupy camps. I kept mine as clean as I could. ^_^ The "Smell" arguments were used as the basis to justify police intrusion. Public Health and Safety charges despite inspections passed was the reason du jour (People think: I smell something I cannot see or touch, therefore there must be a huge sanitation violation! Not once have I heard of any actual sanitary issues reported.) to send police packing in just about every instance. Here, read this lovely summary (with full report) of what happened at UC Davis (http://bradhicks.livejournal.com/459368.html) for fun and watch how everyone squirms to blame everyone else for the apparently disorganized, yet organized violence.

[Chester]

I was hoping this thread would stimulate folks to write about what positive roll they would be willing to play if the events actually occur. If anyone has listened to the Drake broadcasts, part of the call he made was to the informed but non official folks like most of us on this forum. We will be needed as it will not be a soft, smooth road.

I have prepared to help some of my family who dismiss my suggestions they get some supplies. I am willing to assist in protection of assets like water supply and sewage stations for example. I am ready to offer informed answers to any questions from family and friends. Surely they will want to discuss what they hear when the TV starts to explain what's happening. I can certainly help with their understanding as to what has happened to humanity over the last several thousand years that led up to these days of reckoning.

What else can we do folks? This is why I created the thread.

[bekrah]

Thanks for creating this thread! I think it's awesome that we have a post that is geared toward thinking in the positive. Not to sound like a fluff-flinging idealist (though I am one ;)) I think that is just the kind of thing we need to see positive change occur. As far as what we posters have been doing...I'll add my efforts. First I have been changing the way I think, slowly but surely. I too feel that there is some good in everyone, no matter how corrupt they might seem on the outside. I recently read a book which really helped solidify this concept for me, called "The Gentle Art of Blessing" I have a post about it if anyone is interested.

It reminded me that we are all part of that that infinite source some call god, or spirit, no matter how evil or corrupt something might seem. Since I've read that book I've been sending love at everyone I can think of. I think those people at the top of the pyramid are those who need it most. They say energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed. Why engage in a futile attempt at destroying evil, corruption, etc. when your efforts might be more usefully applied to evolving it?

Along with working to maintain a better attitude, and live by blessing. I am also working with my family to help build a more self sufficient lifestyle. We have been working on this for a couple of years now. My husband and I decided to give up apartment living (which is hideously expensive where we were at) and move in with my parents. We had to swallow our pride, it was a tough decision, but I feel it was the right one. We've all had a feeling something big is coming around the corner. We thought it best if we're all together when it happens....strength in numbers!

Also, we figured it's a win-win situation. We live rent free, and they get our help with the various projects that are getting difficult for them to do on their own.

Right now we're in the process of putting up two greenhouses, we have numerous veggie and herb gardens. We have chickens, we harvest eggs. (We just got in some new baby chickens and turkeys...they are so CUTE) I feel like I'm becoming a surrogate mom...I think I'm going to have to become a vegetarian. I can't stomach the thought of eating them some day! We also can and dry our own food, and since the boys in my family are big hunters we also process our own venison.

My Mother, my Aunt and I have also been getting into researching herbs. They have successfully created a number of interesting things, like lotions, soaps, even a replacement for toothpaste. I have also been researching wild edibles in our area that could come in handy. I'll give you a hint, Plantain, Burdock, Dandelion, all good stuff, just to name a few.

Along with those things, we're looking at installing a hand pump for our well, and exploring renewable energy options, such as solar or wind, along with some other interesting ones we've come across. I was listening to one of the radio shows where community projects were addressed a bit more and found it inspiring, I'd like to start implementing some of their ideas and getting local community more involved. That might be a bit of a challenge for me. I'll admit I'm a bit of a hermit, but I think if I start out with extended family, it will build courage to take it further.

Thanks for reading :whoo:

[markpierre]

My point – if/when the situation on earth comes to a head – something I personally hope for and want to happen as most of the awake and/or aware of humanity does also – and if we consider the effect of the consciousness of individuals upon the collective, I suggest it is critical we handle each individual who may be regarded as one of “the bad guys” and/or a willing henchman high up in the structure with this consideration in mind. If we throw them all into FEMA camps and do not make our best efforts to assist them at reconsidering their prior choice in alignment with the dark side, I suspect the rate of positive change our world will experience would be much slower than otherwise.

Even though I have no detailed memories, I feel strongly I’ve been a murderer, torturer, rapist, and pedophile at some point on my journey. I know for certain I have it in me to destroy everyone around me (even my children)…just as I have it in me to lift them up.

People who are dark have endured incredibly painful things. I have no doubts about this.

Denying them compassion is no different than denying myself. And I just can’t do that anymore. I love myself too much.

Great thread!

Thanks for that. That touched me. Lets swap dirty secrets sometime. I have some gruesome stuff in there too.

[truth4me]

My point – if/when the situation on earth comes to a head – something I personally hope for and want to happen as most of the awake and/or aware of humanity does also – and if we consider the effect of the consciousness of individuals upon the collective, I suggest it is critical we handle each individual who may be regarded as one of “the bad guys” and/or a willing henchman high up in the structure with this consideration in mind. If we throw them all into FEMA camps and do not make our best efforts to assist them at reconsidering their prior choice in alignment with the dark side, I suspect the rate of positive change our world will experience would be much slower than otherwise.

Even though I have no detailed memories, I feel strongly I’ve been a murderer, torturer, rapist, and pedophile at some point on my journey. I know for certain I have it in me to destroy everyone around me (even my children)…just as I have it in me to lift them up.

People who are dark have endured incredibly painful things. I have no doubts about this.

Denying them compassion is no different than denying myself. And I just can’t do that anymore. I love myself too much.

Great thread!Very good points you make. I try not to judge people but their ACTIONS we can judge. If we reincarnate ,I believe we do, then we all somewhere along the line would be the people you mentioned . If I killed someone in a past life then I was killed in another past life. I also believe we are at a point where the "Big Change" is going to happen in our world. We can still learn lessons in soul growth here on planet Earth. I just wonder if I have learned enough where I won't have to reincarnate on Earth or another planet like Earth when/if I die before the Big Change goes down....

[YvonneG]

Believe it or not I find your words encouraging and so glad you are here with us.


IF it does not happen. Yipes... it will take a while to reach critical mass with the general public while being misled by the MSM...
My guess...
Then we take to the streets like the "Occupy People" minus the urinating in public or the Tea Party protesters... much of the military will join in. Everyone one, not some STOP Paying Mortgage, Rent, Car Payments take all of your money out of the banks and use only cash or precious metals or bartering. Then I guess build some Guillotines and begin citizen arrests. Eventually these things Will happen, with all of the ugly rioting, smashing in of store windows, dragging the elite by their ankles out into the streets.. total Chaos will insue once we have had enough. SO, I pray to God that the "Plan" does occur before everything goes to Hell. But as usual, I could be way off... I know the love and light people will say "Put Daisies in the rifles of the Guns pointed at us"... and I love that about the higher evolved people on this site... but the MOBS are not evolved... A person can be smart/evolved but PEOPLE are scary and murderous.

[kcbc2010]

What if "the Plan" is already happening? What if that's what everyone's rebelling against?

I don't see the "The Plan" as one big thing, but as a series of little steps that erode a little freedom here and a little bit over there, until finally it's complete.

The Tea Party/Occupy are fighting part of the problem, but each is ignoring the one that they believe is in their interest. It's not just BIG GOVERNMENT or BIG BUSINESS that's the problem....it's BOTH. The monied elites have gotten out of control and we've let them. As a result, they've hijacked the system and turned it against the average citizen. Until the two movements figure out that they need to work together, not against each other...neither will reach their full potential. Sadly, the Occupy is way too invested in Obama and the TP can't figure that most people really aren't as conservative as they are. So, here we are.

I agree completely that MOBS aren't evolved and we are going to see a lot of nastiness as we go through this transition. However, I tend to think it will be more limited than what people assume it will be. I tend to think that the smaller towns will be okay. It's going to be the bigger cities where the elites live where there's going to be problems because just by their nature they have a larger population, tend to be denser and it's so much easier for moods of others to affect a larger number of people. For instance, it took me a long time to get used to the different energy signature where I currently live, because in other places I've lived, the energy just isn't as intense and "in your face". I live in an area of town that actually has green spaces and texture to the land - which just makes me feel better. I really didn't do well being around landscaped concrete/flatland and traffic all day - every day. Calling it nature doesn't make it so.

[OnyxKnight]

Not another Drake thread ...


This is becoming Charles 2.0











I mean, just in case you guys didn't notice. I'm just saying....

[the_vast_mystery]

What if "the Plan" is already happening? What if that's what everyone's rebelling against?

I don't see the "The Plan" as one big thing, but as a series of little steps that erode a little freedom here and a little bit over there, until finally it's complete.

The Tea Party/Occupy are fighting part of the problem, but each is ignoring the one that they believe is in their interest. It's not just BIG GOVERNMENT or BIG BUSINESS that's the problem....it's BOTH. The monied elites have gotten out of control and we've let them. As a result, they've hijacked the system and turned it against the average citizen. Until the two movements figure out that they need to work together, not against each other...neither will reach their full potential. Sadly, the Occupy is way too invested in Obama and the TP can't figure that most people really aren't as conservative as they are. So, here we are.

I agree completely that MOBS aren't evolved and we are going to see a lot of nastiness as we go through this transition. However, I tend to think it will be more limited than what people assume it will be. I tend to think that the smaller towns will be okay. It's going to be the bigger cities where the elites live where there's going to be problems because just by their nature they have a larger population, tend to be denser and it's so much easier for moods of others to affect a larger number of people. For instance, it took me a long time to get used to the different energy signature where I currently live, because in other places I've lived, the energy just isn't as intense and "in your face". I live in an area of town that actually has green spaces and texture to the land - which just makes me feel better. I really didn't do well being around landscaped concrete/flatland and traffic all day - every day. Calling it nature doesn't make it so.

From what I've heard the Tea Party started out as a coalition of Libertarians and Ron Paul style Republicans and it was very quickly hijacked by the Evangelical/Dominionist arm of the GOP. Occupy isn't as invested in Obama as people might think more that Obama's proposed policies represent an increase in equality and an increase in the availability of resources to pursue empathetic aims. Given an argument for an alternative style of government that can accomplish the same ends, I don't think there'd be a problem. The current issue is that Democrat and Republican think tanks have created a culture/language divide and fostered mistrust between the two sides by playing their extremes against each other. I can bet given a good speaker who can properly enunciate it to a crowd the TP wouldn't be so invested in Republicans and given some good faith outreach I'm sure Occupy would probably work much more closely with them. But For them to work together Occupy needs to be willing to submit to being more image-conscious (like the TP and older generations are, stricter dress codes, more organized event planning, more defined authority and roles, show the TP that Occupy can keep up with their higher standards of organization/presentation) and the TP needs to be willing to give Dominionists and their "Social Conservative" agenda the boot, (as that was a poison pill meant to make the TP unappealing to the general population, associate the TP with a Regressive, Theocratic government.)

There has been some progress, I've seen them work together on a couple of occasions. But what really needs to happen is a figure needs to break away from the GOP party Apparatus and convince the TP to break from the apparatus as well (especially from think tanks like AFP, which were designed to use the allure of money to subvert the original TP agenda.) Foster Gamble, I have to say, has been doing an excellent job at attempting to provide a universal bridge between the two. His advocacy at the end of Thrive showed one very plausible way to synthesize what each side is saying into a single cohesive plan/goal that we all can follow. Because we all want a society where nobody is in need, everyone can eat and isn't forced to run in the rat races just to survive every day (we just often have disagreements as to how to do that.) So right now the best idea might be for us to work on message control to start that process. A great way to start is note Obama's mutual culpability in the 2008 crisis. While it didn't happen on his watch he's basically orchestrated a coverup for the banks by suborning the few state AGs that were investigating into the banks and then using his SOTU to start a non-existent DOJ investigation that will end in a foreclosure deal, which, thanks to how banks account, will only require they pay a slap on the wrist fine without ever having to admit wrongdoing. It hits on the fact that both Big Government and Big Business are mutually responsible, touches on bailouts/TARP (which were a TP issue, in fact, they were THE TP issue at first), Obama's failure, but also on the massive fraud and private sector malfeasance going on today which highlights how Big Business is destroying the economy for the non wealthy.

[OnyxKnight]

Even though I have no detailed memories, I feel strongly I’ve been a murderer, torturer, rapist, and pedophile at some point on my journey. I know for certain I have it in me to destroy everyone around me (even my children)

Um ...... should we be calling the police?



Just saying .....

[YvonneG]

The most important is to work locally, both now and afterwards. The new form of govt has to do with We The People. This has to start in the Counties The County Project information on the freedomreigns.us link has nothing to do with Drake and The Plan directly. Except that it deals with local stuff. Anita, who has been working locally, since 2005 is quite a resource. She recommends each county starting their own wikispace like hers to begin major networking locally. She has some really amazing true stories about things that have happened through years.

I for one was not aware of a lot of what she is sharing, although, I studied Catherine Austin Fitts' material about going local etc years ago. I could find no one to work with that was not also politically oriented...way too much. This is not about political, this is about humans working with other humans.

So what I am doing is getting involved, helping with the wiki, in terms of local. I have also bought a bunch of canned goods to share with neighbors. I have also been working I letting everyone I know to prepare, whether they believe anything is going to happen or not.

In the end, it is not about if we agree, it is about taking care of each other. And that seems to be what Drake emphasizes
again and again.

The last two calls of the county project can be found at freedom reigns. I for one appreciate the work of someone who has been organizing, networking for so many years like Anita. She is NOT involved in the Drake The Plan. IF you have never heard of Catherine Austin Fitts, you will be surprised what she knew years ago. And Anita also works with her ideas and principles of going local.

Hope this is helpful!


I was hoping this thread would stimulate folks to write about what positive roll they would be willing to play if the events actually occur. If anyone has listened to the Drake broadcasts, part of the call he made was to the informed but non official folks like most of us on this forum. We will be needed as it will not be a soft, smooth road.

I have prepared to help some of my family who dismiss my suggestions they get some supplies. I am willing to assist in protection of assets like water supply and sewage stations for example. I am ready to offer informed answers to any questions from family and friends. Surely they will want to discuss what they hear when the TV starts to explain what's happening. I can certainly help with their understanding as to what has happened to humanity over the last several thousand years that led up to these days of reckoning.

What else can we do folks? This is why I created the thread.

[Cilka]

My point – if/when the situation on earth comes to a head – something I personally hope for and want to happen as most of the awake and/or aware of humanity does also – and if we consider the effect of the consciousness of individuals upon the collective, I suggest it is critical we handle each individual who may be regarded as one of “the bad guys” and/or a willing henchman high up in the structure with this consideration in mind. If we throw them all into FEMA camps and do not make our best efforts to assist them at reconsidering their prior choice in alignment with the dark side, I suspect the rate of positive change our world will experience would be much slower than otherwise.

Even though I have no detailed memories, I feel strongly I’ve been a murderer, torturer, rapist, and pedophile at some point on my journey. I know for certain I have it in me to destroy everyone around me (even my children)…just as I have it in me to lift them up.

People who are dark have endured incredibly painful things. I have no doubts about this.

Denying them compassion is no different than denying myself. And I just can’t do that anymore. I love myself too much.

Great thread!Very good points you make. I try not to judge people but their ACTIONS we can judge. If we reincarnate ,I believe we do, then we all somewhere along the line would be the people you mentioned . If I killed someone in a past life then I was killed in another past life. I also believe we are at a point where the "Big Change" is going to happen in our world. We can still learn lessons in soul growth here on planet Earth. I just wonder if I have learned enough where I won't have to reincarnate on Earth or another planet like Earth when/if I die before the Big Change goes down....

Even if I was a murderer in my past life, I am 100% sure I could never become one in this lifetime, and I know deep down that I could not hurt someone else, however I could take my own life because I own it. I remember one of my cousins say years ago to me that she would not hesitate to take the life of her child if she had to, and the reason for that was is that because she gave life to that child she also had the right to take it away. That actually made me sick to my stomach and I avoided her ever since.

There is a lot of energy and disrespect that is involved in the actual act of murder, it's dirty, unnecessary and it sure will create another cycle of karma for the individuals involved. I would rather walk away from a violent situation than to participate in it. I do judge those who find the energy to murder, dismember bodies, torture etc. because I think of the victims who become the vulnerable ones under those circumstances. And hopefully these violent individuals will self-destruct one day, but they sure won't receive any of my love, that is for sure.

In regards to providing people help in the future, when the sh_t hits the ceiling. Well, if they ask for help then they will receive it.

[we-R-one]

If someone at their soul level leans to the dark side, I imagine they incarnate in a situation where they can explore their proclivity such that their soul might be able to change its mind. I assume the same applies to a soul that leans to the side of light. Keep in mind my exploration here is restricted to the realm of duality which we seem to be heavily exploring on earth at this time.

Now let’s consider those who have chosen the dark side and incarnated in a situation where during their life they have continued to choose the dark side. They may one day have risen to a powerful position in the dark side’s pyramid. I know some think a psychopath can never be changed nor reformed, but isn’t it possible that some who have chosen the dark and risen very high in the pyramid structure and could actually have retained that small, inner voice that comes from the light? And that even though they may have a great deal of personal baggage to wade through in any attempt to reinvent themselves, isn’t it possible that some of the folks who have recently resigned might actually have done so because they finally decided to honestly explore the possibility they have made the wrong choice?

My point – if/when the situation on earth comes to a head – something I personally hope for and want to happen as most of the awake and/or aware of humanity does also – and if we consider the effect of the consciousness of individuals upon the collective, I suggest it is critical we handle each individual who may be regarded as one of “the bad guys” and/or a willing henchman high up in the structure with this consideration in mind. If we throw them all into FEMA camps and do not make our best efforts to assist them at reconsidering their prior choice in alignment with the dark side, I suspect the rate of positive change our world will experience would be much slower than otherwise.

Just something I have been exploring considering the early stages of implementation of “the Plan” as I honestly explore my own reactions (my anger is at the top of my personal list which if I do not control may result in decisions and actions I might later regret).

justoneman

I think there are some who choose to play a dark role, because it's needed for others to wake up, which is why it's important that we don't judge. Most likely all of us have played a dark role at some point as this is how we learn by viewing the flip side of the coin.

As I have mentioned before in a past post, the dark one's are providing "fuel" to help humanity and this planet evolve, though many cannot see or understand its significance. Let's see if I can explain especially to those who might not be familiar with where I'm going with this. We know that everything vibrates at a frequency. We know that emotions of a negative energy vibrate at lower frequencies than those emotions of a positive energy. Earth is currently experiencing a planetary change where the magnetics are dropping and the frequency is increasing, which means we as individuals need to raise our own frequency to be compatible with Earth. Well how do you do that? You take the negative energy that the dark one's provide and you "accept" and embrace that experience of ugliness through forgiveness. If you succumb to their actions by releasing emotions of anger and fear which vibrate at the lower frequencies, you do a disservice not only to yourself, but to humanity and the planet itself. Through the emotion of forgiveness in your heart, you will help raise your vibratory rate for not only yourself, but for all who are tied into the Sourcefield.

Once you come to the realization that reincarnation exists, you will begin to better understand that it's only a game being played down here on Earth, and once you understand the game, it's much easier to forgive and transmute the negative energy into positive thereby helping in the transition from 3D/4D into 5D. And when the collective masses grasp this, it is my best guess that this transformation will excelerate the process that much quicker.

[bekrah]

Even if I was a murderer in my past life, I am 100% sure I could never become one in this lifetime, and I know deep down that I could not hurt someone else, however I could take my own life because I own it. I remember one of my cousins say years ago to me that she would not hesitate to take the life of her child if she had to, and the reason for that was is that because she gave life to that child she also had the right to take it away. That actually made me sick to my stomach and I avoided her ever since.

There is a lot of energy and disrespect that is involved in the actual act of murder, it's dirty, unnecessary and it sure will create another cycle of karma for the individuals involved. I would rather walk away from a violent situation than to participate in it. I do judge those who find the energy to murder, dismember bodies, torture etc. because I think of the victims who become the vulnerable ones under those circumstances. And hopefully these violent individuals will self-destruct one day, but they sure won't receive any of my love, that is for sure.

In regards to providing people help in the future, when the sh_t hits the ceiling. Well, if they ask for help then they will receive it.

Hey, I just read your post and wanted to respond to a couple of things in it.

I agree with much of what you are saying...there's only a couple points where my opinion differs.

I'm on the fence about taking ones own life, because the effect it can have on those around you, it can get ugly. It might be your own life to take, but the negative effect that action can cause to the people in your life can be very strong, you might not have physically harmed someone else, but you will still have left victims.

The only other point where my opinion differs is this. While it may not always be the case, for the most part, it's been found that people who commit violent crimes were very often the victims themselves previously. Those people may not have received the help and support they needed to get past whatever traumas that happened to them, and so the cycle continues. They probably need your love more than anyone else.

[kcbc2010]

From what I've heard the Tea Party started out as a coalition of Libertarians and Ron Paul style Republicans and it was very quickly hijacked by the Evangelical/Dominionist arm of the GOP. Occupy isn't as invested in Obama as people might think more that Obama's proposed policies represent an increase in equality and an increase in the availability of resources to pursue empathetic aims. Given an argument for an alternative style of government that can accomplish the same ends, I don't think there'd be a problem. The current issue is that Democrat and Republican think tanks have created a culture/language divide and fostered mistrust between the two sides by playing their extremes against each other. I can bet given a good speaker who can properly enunciate it to a crowd the TP wouldn't be so invested in Republicans and given some good faith outreach I'm sure Occupy would probably work much more closely with them. But For them to work together Occupy needs to be willing to submit to being more image-conscious (like the TP and older generations are, stricter dress codes, more organized event planning, more defined authority and roles, show the TP that Occupy can keep up with their higher standards of organization/presentation) and the TP needs to be willing to give Dominionists and their "Social Conservative" agenda the boot, (as that was a poison pill meant to make the TP unappealing to the general population, associate the TP with a Regressive, Theocratic government.)

There has been some progress, I've seen them work together on a couple of occasions. But what really needs to happen is a figure needs to break away from the GOP party Apparatus and convince the TP to break from the apparatus as well (especially from think tanks like AFP, which were designed to use the allure of money to subvert the original TP agenda.) Foster Gamble, I have to say, has been doing an excellent job at attempting to provide a universal bridge between the two. His advocacy at the end of Thrive showed one very plausible way to synthesize what each side is saying into a single cohesive plan/goal that we all can follow. Because we all want a society where nobody is in need, everyone can eat and isn't forced to run in the rat races just to survive every day (we just often have disagreements as to how to do that.) So right now the best idea might be for us to work on message control to start that process. A great way to start is note Obama's mutual culpability in the 2008 crisis. While it didn't happen on his watch he's basically orchestrated a coverup for the banks by suborning the few state AGs that were investigating into the banks and then using his SOTU to start a non-existent DOJ investigation that will end in a foreclosure deal, which, thanks to how banks account, will only require they pay a slap on the wrist fine without ever having to admit wrongdoing. It hits on the fact that both Big Government and Big Business are mutually responsible, touches on bailouts/TARP (which were a TP issue, in fact, they were THE TP issue at first), Obama's failure, but also on the massive fraud and private sector malfeasance going on today which highlights how Big Business is destroying the economy for the non wealthy.

I would agree that a lot of the social conservative folks have taken over the Tea Party. The Tea Party folks just "jumped the shark" to me when they started endorsing Rick Santorum. Seriously? I can understand the appeal on social issues, but a lot of us really didn't want a GWB clone on economics. I feel like I'm the only one who remembers when all of us were out there fighting GWB on economics because he was spending too much money too. Really? The movement had been drifting away from economic problems, but that just confirmed it to me. I love their passion, but geez.....

I've heard a lot about Thrive, but I have yet to see it. I'm glad to hear that there are other voices out there that aren't so one sided about these things. I'm so sick of the closed-mindedness on both sides of the Left-Right paradigm. Thank you for giving me an incentive for me to watch.

[Chester]

I'm on the fence about taking ones own life, because the effect it can have on those around you, it can get ugly. It might be your own life to take, but the negative effect that action can cause to the people in your life can be very strong, you might not have physically harmed someone else, but you will still have left victims.


My father likely committed suicide when I was 21 (he was 44). I say likely because he also could have been suicided, but that is a remote possibility thus I accept it was done by his own free will.

Because of his act and the impact it had upon me, I have chosen more than once not to do the same simply because I have three sons and I promised myself and my sons I would never do it. What I am saying is that there have been times when I seriously wanted to and the only thing that stopped me was this promise to my sons.

Some things we may never be able to know while living a life - I will never know if my Dad did something creation deems as over the line.

My greatest wish since my Dad departed is that when I transition I am able to hug my father again. I still hold on to that wish and it is still number one for me.

Having shared all that - I suspect my post has gone way off topic - apologies as my intention in creating it was seeking input as to what we may do positively if Big Shoes actually begin to drop.

[bekrah]

My father likely committed suicide when I was 21 (he was 44). I say likely because he also could have been suicided, but that is a remote possibility thus I accept it was done by his own free will.

Because of his act and the impact it had upon me, I have chosen more than once not to do the same simply because I have three sons and I promised myself and my sons I would never do it. What I am saying is that there have been times when I seriously wanted to and the only thing that stopped me was this promise to my sons.

Some things we may never be able to know while living a life - I will never know if my Dad did something creation deems as over the line.

My greatest wish since my Dad departed is that when I transition I am able to hug my father again. I still hold on to that wish and it is still number one for me.

Having shared all that - I suspect my post has gone way off topic - apologies as my intention in creating it was seeking input as to what we may do positively if Big Shoes actually begin to drop.

I'm sorry to hear that, and I hope some day you can hug him again. I understand how it feels. I had a similar situation with my Aunt Cathy. She had always been kind of "on the edge" as far as battling depression and that sort of thing. She passed away on my Birthday in 2010, and the circumstances of her death were never really known. A month before she had made an attempt at suicide (overdosing on her meds.) and her boyfriend took over administering them. We have all been kind of haunted with questions, if she did something, if her boyfriend did something (we have reasons for this question, I won't get into that here)... We'll never know. I do know someone went into her email and deleted EVERYTHING in it the day she passed. There are so many unanswered questions. I try to make peace with it now, since it happened I've had a couple of dreams about her, where she told me she's happy now and in a better place, that gives me some comfort.

[pwn_thyself]

Plantains grow in Wisconsin? Cool!

[bekrah]

Plantain, the plant, not to be confused with the banana like food. Here's a pic of it.

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I'm not sure if the picture shows up or not...It's just appears as a link when I see it, but you can click on it to see what it looks like.

[Cilka]

Even if I was a murderer in my past life, I am 100% sure I could never become one in this lifetime, and I know deep down that I could not hurt someone else, however I could take my own life because I own it. I remember one of my cousins say years ago to me that she would not hesitate to take the life of her child if she had to, and the reason for that was is that because she gave life to that child she also had the right to take it away. That actually made me sick to my stomach and I avoided her ever since.

There is a lot of energy and disrespect that is involved in the actual act of murder, it's dirty, unnecessary and it sure will create another cycle of karma for the individuals involved. I would rather walk away from a violent situation than to participate in it. I do judge those who find the energy to murder, dismember bodies, torture etc. because I think of the victims who become the vulnerable ones under those circumstances. And hopefully these violent individuals will self-destruct one day, but they sure won't receive any of my love, that is for sure.

In regards to providing people help in the future, when the sh_t hits the ceiling. Well, if they ask for help then they will receive it.

Hey, I just read your post and wanted to respond to a couple of things in it.

I agree with much of what you are saying...there's only a couple points where my opinion differs.

I'm on the fence about taking ones own life, because the effect it can have on those around you, it can get ugly. It might be your own life to take, but the negative effect that action can cause to the people in your life can be very strong, you might not have physically harmed someone else, but you will still have left victims.

The only other point where my opinion differs is this. While it may not always be the case, for the most part, it's been found that people who commit violent crimes were very often the victims themselves previously. Those people may not have received the help and support they needed to get past whatever traumas that happened to them, and so the cycle continues. They probably need your love more than anyone else.

Fortunately, Bekrah, I don't waste my love on those who do not deserve my love. Violent people need to find a way to love themselves first and then maybe then they can ask others to love them back. But,
that is my opinion. And believe me, if I sent them love it would only be an artificial one, so there is no need to waste energy that way. I am perfectly fine with people who want to love serial killers that way, every one has the right to decide where they want to direct their love.

I wasn't saying that I wanted to kill myself, I was just saying that I had the right to take my own life because I owned it, and I definitely did not have the right to take someone else's life. It's true that I would be hurting someone else with taking my own life, but then that would be their own problem to deal with. That sounded selfish for me saying that, but that is exactly how people feel when they take their own life, they just don't give a damn about hurting those they leave behind. Besides, the one taking his life is doing so because he wants to end his own pain, and cannot be bothered with the pain that he will cause after his death. THat is the problem of the living to deal with. And of course, the one who commits suicide, once he realizes that life goes on after death, well, then that creates more issues for him in the long run. Yes, it's stupid to kill someone else and it's stupid to kill oneself also.

In a perfect world no one would kill anybody and no one would commit suicide. I just mentioned that I would rather kill myself than taking the life of someone else.

[bekrah]

Hey it's all good, we have free will to love as we choose. Sorry if my previous post came off a bit harsh, no judgement from me, just offering a different perspective is all. :)

PS. I like your avatar, it looks like a llama named Romeo we used to have. He was awesome.

[Avocadess]

I would love to do some kind of social work if there is an opportunity to do that without having to have academic credentials. From a young age I had some strong sense of destiny that told me I should NOT get a GED when I dropped out of high school. And I did not. I was proving a point in that I believe knowledge, experience and inner understanding and intention plus practical know-how are so much more important than "schooling" as we knew it in the 20th century. I have gone on to a varied career from legal secretary to scientific transcriptionist and editor as well as working with alternative health care especially in the area of food and supplements.

Bottom line, I don't know if and where opportunities will open for me, but I would love to lend my own expertise to help people in the ways needed. However I have watched this world give all the credit to "experts" with "credentials" so I'm not really expecting my abilities to be recognized; only saying I am open to offering them.