Who is DRAKE: The Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon

[Ishtar]

Hi Mountain Jim

I heard the same radio show you did and have just posted this to BillyJi in the Drake: Updates, clarifications thread.

BillyJi ....you seem to be listening to a different radio show than I and others did, in which Drake states very clearly that his beef is about the LORD being associated with the Illuminati. So unless you have a personal line to him, and he's moving the goalposts, he is threatening to sue this website, this forum and just about anyone who posted in that thread.

So could you say from where you gained the impression you gave above?

However, while on the subject of the LORD and the Nahash Illuminati, that information came from a link on Drake's own site.

I'm quoting from the OP in that thread, Who Is Drake: The Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon.


You should be at this page now (this next quote was not made by Drake, nor was it taken directly from his website, it is from a link on a website of his): http://web.archive.org/web/20030212184230/http://members.aol.com/johnkeely/ae.html

Scroll to the bottom again and you will find this:

Quote: These will be comprehensive to the initiates of the Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon (the original Nahash Illuminati) obviously anyone stumbling upon these serious meaningful equations will need the backround info of The Code Of The Ancients...

In other words, Drake is threatening to set the White Dragons (who he claims not to be associated with) on various people for the 'crime' of repeating information they found through a link on his own website.

The man needs to get a grip.

[Chester]

Dear Drake,

I hope that you have been able to take the time to read all the posts in this thread. I also hope you can try and put yourself in the shoes of the alternatively informed posters here at Avalon who have thought it wise that they try and find out about who you might be. Almost none of us here knew anything about you until David Wilcock’s interview with you back on Thursday April 5th. In that interview, David Wilcock went to great lengths to convince the listeners that he had “vetted” you. I personally trust Wilclock’s intentions and I personally believe he trusts the sources that he states vouched for you… but that’s just me. Many other members of the Avalon forum were more skeptical. Because none of us here (as far as any of us have revealed) have any insider contacts that we could reach out to and ask directly if you might really be for real.

That a poster in our community went to the internet and did searches to find out what we could, should be respected as what would that say about us if we simply trusted David Wilcock? Seriously, Drake, you really should consider our position as time has moved forward from April 5th. Realize that the Plan will (if it goes operational) have perhaps the most significant impact on each of our lives since 9/11 and even more so! We are all very concerned about it. We all have loved ones that will be affected.

Now if you read through this thread, you will see that many folks took many different positions along the way. And you can see that as new information came to light and new perspectives from the posters came forth, there was an evolution which led many of us to conclude that Drake had been involved in the past with one or more Dragon Societies (and perhaps still may have a relationship). But more important to that and something that was concluded by many posters was that there are various Dragon societies as well as blood line lineages that have a benevolent intent. Some of us stated from what we could tell about you, Drake, that you were involved with one or more positive Dragon societies. I can say that because you will see that was my stance but I was not alone. All in all, many others here also ended up learning a great deal, that Dragon does not immediately mean negative ET/Reptilian affiliation.

I am certain you are under a massive amount of personal stress based on your assumption of the role of “public spokesman” for the planners of The Plan. For that reason I am easily able to understand your initial reaction as to the initial posting on this thread. But it is important you view the whole thread and see we all shared many thoughts about you, based on our only ability to gather any info about you – what could be dug up on the internet. I have shared PMs with the poster who started this thread and this is a good guy, Drake. He just wanted to ensure we are able to have further information about you such that we could all feel better or not about all the Plan’s possibilities.

I hope that you see you have some defenders here (honest ones who at times felt they were in a minority) but you did have them (and still do). Hundreds of folks, all expressing their views, expanding their information sources and their knowledge is what we have at Avalon. That’s what a forum is all about.

Again, realize that many here may not agree with the Plan as it my back fire. Some may suspect you are being played and that to do so would perhaps be to distract us from other matters at hand. Perhaps this could be an attempt to do a mass discrediting of Wilcock/Fulford/Bill Wood and now you, Drake, in one single action. If that would be the case, I would see an operation such as that to be further proof you guys are on the right track… but that’s just me. You cannot be angry that some folks have these questions. Realize we also went through the “Charles” saga and so are perhaps more skeptical as a first reaction to anything like this.

Also, there are some amazing folks who participate on this forum that though I have been perhaps corrected into labeling as “alternatively informed” I still would have to say far more “enlightened” than your average Joe Blow you meet on the street. I have learned a great deal from folks here and in a short time. I suspect (and hope) I learn more. Some of the folks here who take the position that “assume Drake and the Plan are for real and the Plan becomes publicly operational” that we may end up in worse shape than we are now. I do not at all think that’s at all wrong for folks to consider this nor discuss it.

In addition, some of us here are not in alignment with what we have heard on the broadcasts that allude to possible executions/and or inhumane treatment of anyone who may be convicted in any trials that may follow. There’s nothing wrong with those opinions and there should be nothing wrong with the discussions we have all had since the Plan hit our sphere of awareness just barely one month ago.

Speaking solely for myself, I believe the man I have come to know named Drake can see the possibility he may have had an initial knee jerk reaction based on perhaps that first few posts but that if you took the time to read all 250 (which would take a half day or so) you would see you originally overreacted.

If you came to that conclusion and asked me to give you a pass, I would say, “no problem and understood brother, you have a massive amount on your mind right now… now why don’t you participate directly here on Avalon as you have some quite amazing folks who can be very helpful pre Bigger Shoe Droppings and once the big show actually kicks off (if it does indeed go publicly operational).”
Lastly, by taking action to try and shut down a forum like this would not at all align with the things I have come to know about Drake – I suspect the same is true for Camelot. We are all seeking truth and the ones of us who believe our globe has been hijacked all want freedom from this. We are all allies in this regard.

Take Care

Justoneman

[tenacity1]

I like what I see. I know there are others beside him who do this important work. Not many, but there are others. Mostly work alone as the solitary path keeps one honest and away from the kind of dogma that can form in a group. Reality is a personal affair, the one we create to interface with is a consensus one and close scrutiny and examination would show it for the approximation it is.

With all of that said, I am unsure as to the purpose of this thread. The world might be in upheaval tomorrow, so the semi-private (I know it is on the web) path one walks over the course of a decade or more simply makes us voyeurs, IMO. I know my view is the minority. It is just stuff like this that allows Kim Kardashian to be a celebrity. People actually care what other people do in their private lives. This will provide ample distraction and fuel for opinions to create a fair amount of noise. This should amuse the elite watchers. A thread about preparations? No. A thread about a man who has been a student of the Arts and Sacred Sciences and is willing to stand as a warrior.

I've said my piece and will stand aside now as I will not fit in here.

Your investigative work is noted Vivek. Impressive.


Ditto.. except for this one caveat.. I vacillate between using the net and staying the heck away from it because it is like watching a huge bunch of armchair quarterbacks all argue over a play that has already happened. When I want to discern what is true or not true I turn off the darn piece of metal and plastic.. take the info outside, ground myself and pray.. I don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows to quote Dylan .Nor do I think that someone seeking to disavow a human who is ostensibly trying to help others is to be trusted either.. I don't have the time nor the inclination to get my source from outside my own brain and intuition. I have come to believe that we shall all lose our own powers of discernment from sitting in front of a screen for too long.. all this attachment to what other folks think I cannot see as healthy. I would have hoped that positive folks would hope for the best without being cynical and seeking more fear porn.. damn.. I am just glad there is a possibility for some good news. trying being disabled for 20 years by bad medical care and you may be able to see my perspective. I have to have hope the same way I have to breath.. to do otherwise is to embrace the worlds negativity and absorb it.

[Ishtar]

Nice letter, justoneman.

I hope he reads it. :angel:

[Chester]

Hi Mountain Jim

I heard the same radio show you did and have just posted this to BillyJi in the Drake: Updates, clarifications thread.

BillyJi ....you seem to be listening to a different radio show than I and others did, in which Drake states very clearly that his beef is about the LORD being associated with the Illuminati. So unless you have a personal line to him, and he's moving the goalposts, he is threatening to sue this website, this forum and just about anyone who posted in that thread.

So could you say from where you gained the impression you gave above?

However, while on the subject of the LORD and the Nahash Illuminati, that information came from a link on Drake's own site.

I'm quoting from the OP in that thread, Who Is Drake: The Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon.


You should be at this page now (this next quote was not made by Drake, nor was it taken directly from his website, it is from a link on a website of his): http://web.archive.org/web/20030212184230/http://members.aol.com/johnkeely/ae.html

Scroll to the bottom again and you will find this:

Quote: These will be comprehensive to the initiates of the Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon (the original Nahash Illuminati) obviously anyone stumbling upon these serious meaningful equations will need the backround info of The Code Of The Ancients...

In other words, Drake is threatening to set the White Dragons (who he claims not to be associated with) on various people for the 'crime' of repeating information they found through a link on his own website.

The man needs to get a grip.

Hi Ishtar - when you say The LORD do you mean the Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon or jesus? I assume you mean the former, but less informed readers could get confused... Thanks justone

[wynderer]

personally i think the Dracos are all having fun w/the Humans, one of their favorite games

[Ishtar]

Yes, LORD is the abbreviation of The Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon.

[Kimberley]

Dear Drake,

I hope that you have been able to take the time to read all the posts in this thread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Lastly, by taking action to try and shut down a forum like this would not at all align with the things I have come to know about Drake – I suspect the same is true for Camelot. We are all seeking truth and the ones of us who believe our globe has been hijacked all want freedom from this. We are all allies in this regard.

Take Care

Justoneman

Here is the e-mail address to send your letter too... Freedom Reigns freedomreignsusa@gmail.com

Nice letter!!!
Much love!!

[Chester]

Dear Drake,

I hope that you have been able to take the time to read all the posts in this thread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Lastly, by taking action to try and shut down a forum like this would not at all align with the things I have come to know about Drake – I suspect the same is true for Camelot. We are all seeking truth and the ones of us who believe our globe has been hijacked all want freedom from this. We are all allies in this regard.

Take Care

Justoneman

Here is the e-mail address to send your letter too... Freedom Reigns freedomreignsusa@gmail.com

Nice letter!!!
Much love!!

letter sent via my personal e-mail - thanks Kimberly... Thanks, Ishtar too

[Ishtar]

Sorry, post deleted because I put it in the wrong thread.

[Jeffrey]

Hello all,

This was attatched to the OP and I would like to clarify some things and request further clarification.


... The second part of this is, where they accuse me of being an "Illuminati"
and I really take issue with that because I am not a baby-torturing
thinga-ma-bob that most of the Illuminati are. They accuse me of this
because I, at one time I was affiliated with a group known as Loyal
Order of the Royal Dragon.

Now anybody that's done any homework listening to anything and paid
any attention at all has heard of the White Dragon Society, they have
heard of the "families". That's what this pertains to. It does not have
diddely squat to do with the Illuminati! The Illuminati won't go near
those people for one fact: their orders from the "higher ups" in those
groups is to dismember them on sight. And I guarantee you, I know a few
of these people and they are very much capable of doing just exactly that.
...
Now, I have talked to a couple of people and they're having a little
trouble correlating Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon with the Dragon
Family. This goes to a secret society royal bloodline that are the ones
who kept the collateral accounts safe. Now that's pretty awesome if
you think about it. This is what we're fighting against, the present
economic system, about these people stealing, leveraging borrowing
from these collateral accounts for years. Not only do they owe that,
they also owe a per annum fee for portions of the allowed usage of those
collateral accounts. At this point, they cannot pay.

Well, the problem with the combination of that is, the Illuminati would
love to get their scanners on those accounts, simply so they can continue
to suppress the people, and the efforts of the website tend to show that
these people seem to like that idea, or they would not denigrate someone
without doing research. Now the research is simple. Anybody who's got a
computer can look up "The Vietnam Brotherhood" and see that I'm not the
owner, they don't got one. And I was not the founder,.. I joined long
after they started.

Number two. Anybody with a computer, and you know, you gotta be able
to type a lil bit ... you know, L, O, R, D ... when you put that into
the computer: Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon, look at the Royal Dragon
Society and then you'll understand, because it is a "loyalty oath" to the
morality involved in the lives lead by the people who were responsible,
not only "to" but also "for" other people. For their betterment to make
sure their lives were not... too unbearable, and this was done in a
variety of ways, and has been for thousands of years.

So, you have denigrated the Dragon Families and the people associated
with them in this process.

1. This quote was taken directly from James Furia's page that was linked to in the OP.


These will be comprehensive to the initiates of the Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon (the original Nahash Illuminati) obviously anyone stumbling upon these serious meaningful equations will need the backround info of The Code Of The Ancients...

Those aren't my words, they are from the link on Drake's webpage to Jimi's is in the OP.

2. Nowhere is L.O.R.D. found to be associated with the White Dragon Families that Fulford and Wilcock talk about. I've read everything about this particular order (L.O.R.D.) and it's associated study materials - not once does it get into "Dragon Sovereignty" or mention anything about other Dragon Orders (there are some with conflicting polarities).

Nowhere is L.O.R.D. specifically associated with "collateral accounts" or anything to do with politics or government specifically other than what Drake has just now stated. The L.O.R.D. group seems to be almost exclusively academic and spiritual - heavily influenced by the work of Carl Munck, James Furia, Jerry Iuliano (and in turn Dr. D. G. Leahy), along with all of the material linked through the Royal Institute website, and Colin James Hamer for starters.

Now, that's not to say that I don't think L.O.R.D. was a name chosen without careful deliberation (in fact, on Colin Hamer's Neith Network Library/Creativity House site there is an article about the Dragon Bloodlines regarding Cain and Enki.)

While we are on the topic of L.O.R.D. and James Furia, can Drake explain the symbology of this picture that was posted by James Furia:

http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq337/jamesfuria/Original%20Artwork%20by%20James%20Paul%20Furia/LoyalOrderOfTheRoyalDragon.jpg
Source: http://s461.photobucket.com/albums/qq337/jamesfuria/Original%20Artwork%20by%20James%20Paul%20Furia/?action=view&current=LoyalOrderOfTheRoyalDragon.jpg&newest=1

This is an earnest question. Regardless of if this picture is harmless or not, it deserves the attention and an explaination. It says "Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon" at the top and has many symbols associated with Freemasonry along with the all seeing eye in a pyramid created by the scrambled names of certain members above the date 1776.

These deserve direct answers - unambiguous, succinct and in plain language.

Out of all of the material in the OP only a few things are suspect and that's what is being discussed. The Imperial and Royal Dragon Court and Order was already brought up and the likelihood of the connect was made with the L.O.R.D.

Again, please read the thread.

3. I fixed that in the OP. Somewhere along the way of going through everything I was left with the impression that Drake was the founder of the Vietnam Brotherhood. A trivial error, and not very relevant considering all of the other information here.

4. Distinctions were made throughout the thread regarding differing polarities of Dragon Bloodlines and the Illuminati as well. It's all in here. That was the point of the thread, to separate the sand from the sugar and get to the bottom of all of this. I wrote that some of the things in the OP had negative connotations so people should have the diligence to look into it all before they lose their grip.

That's all for now.

[ **EDIT/ADD** - This post ties into (expounds on) the one above: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more&p=485299&viewfull=1#post485299 ]

[Billy]

Hi Mountain Jim

I heard the same radio show you did and have just posted this to BillyJi in the Drake: Updates, clarifications thread.

BillyJi ....you seem to be listening to a different radio show than I and others did, in which Drake states very clearly that his beef is about the LORD being associated with the Illuminati. So unless you have a personal line to him, and he's moving the goalposts, he is threatening to sue this website, this forum and just about anyone who posted in that thread.

So could you say from where you gained the impression you gave above?

they found through a link on his own website.

The man needs to get a grip.

I assure you ishtar that the Scottish mountain air is very good for clearing the cobwebs from the head. you should try it sometime. I gained my impression by listening. I have transcribed what i perceived to hear below for you. and anyone else who has hearing difficulties. continuing on from the already
completed first 11 mins, The first few comments are roughly transcripted when Dave comes in but Drake's is more detailed
My comments are in brackets. peace

Dave comes in

and says Kerry was interviewed by Chris Vortex on revolution radio and ignored his comments in the chat room.

Dave says last week Project Avalon and Camalot were served with multi million lawsuits.( Is this a fact ?) It was

not his lawsuit.

Dave looks for documents that he recieved the previous night and asks Drake to carry on talking.

Drake regrets being involved with Camalot, mentions lawsuit. He says the problem is no longer his and is waiting to

hear back from The White Dragon Family to see what they want to do about it. It is out of his hands.

He says. I would not like them as enemies, (WDF) But Cassidy seems to like that sort of thing.

Drake said he is not going to encourage the WDF to do anything and is leaving it in their hands. Whatever they

decide to do Cassidy is stuck with it.

D.W told him Camalot was a bagrag apparently their earlier site was extraodinary great.

They stepped on their own toes pretty badly. A house built on sand the greater the fall of it.

DRAKE speaks again.

I will make a suggestion that if anyone wants to see the political stance, The link on that particular stance the

link on that particular page. ( I take it he means Vivek's thread ) The article do go into some interesting conversations ( first compliment) That i did when i was doing counceling among other things and they are very arcurite ( second compliment) They are appopite to people looking for answers.

A lot of that was done on the humanity healing website which is basicly a spiritual website that teaches you what the spirit is, how to access it and how to be how your supposed to be, Which is pretty awesome. They do it in a very nice i dunno you feel like a liitle kid watching an adventure when your in there and you have a lot of good people in there.

I was offered to be a permanent part of that but i moved on to other things, now here i am and fun still goes on.

At one point or another some type or another i get a lot of advertising and even bad advertising and even that which is ~~~~~ ( a word i cannot make out but has something to do with Ligigate) Such as the posting on their present site to me is advertising because most of the comments are positive ( third compliment )

Some of these people took the time and trouble to open the links to see the conversations i was having. ( fourth compliment )

And they could see the combination and the reasoning and they applied Knowledge ( fifth compliment) to what the conversation was all about the individual concerned.


Basicly and primary my job was to offer things that could not be found anywhere I dunno the keys to the kingdom the secrets of the universe that kind of thing, you could go to another website where they teach you the same things, its not difficult. anyone can do it. Its a lot of fun when you can walk around and nobody is afraid of you anymore or weary of you just because you are there,

Its really wonderful to walk out into nature and not have to worry about getting stung by a bee, bit by a snake or chased by a mountain lion, its just extraorinary what you learn, the manner in which you fit into the cosmos, what your honest position really is.


But a lot of things came to light for which i had not considered as importantly as i should have that helped me. ( not sure if he speaks of the thread here or being with nature ) If it helped me i am sure it can help someone else. (END)





Thats all i could be bothered transcribing. But like i said it my earlier post not all was negative from Drake

concerning the thread, I did not hear Drake mention Avalon one time. But yes Dave mentions Avalon. All the venom seemed to be directed towards Kerry and Camalot some some reason which i am not in the know. I do not visit Camalot
therefore have no clue why Drake has a greavance there.


EDIT i have just noticed that certain individuals ( Not meaning Vivek as he has stated in the post above that he has made an adjustment ) have gone back and edited their original comments in the last 24hrs. does this mean a change of mind or heart. explain please

Peace

[mountain_jim]

Well billyji - Kerry may have cleared this up, still not helping the credibility of Drake imho.:

(edit - I see this was already posted in other thread, though not Kerry's latest addition about phone call there and Drake's Response)


http://projectcamelotportal.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=31&Itemid=218



Considering the magnitude fo the misunderstanding on Drake's part, I decided to cut to the chase and call him this evening. Those who listened to my interview on AFR with Keith Scott will know he gave me his phone number at that time.

He has given me permission to write the following:


"Drake recognizes he had the wrong party it was Avalon...Drake has agreed to read my post tomorrow morning his time and post a retraction/apology tomorrow on his Facebook."

We have agreed to talk further in the next few days.

.....

HEY DRAKE,

The SITE you are talking about is not Project Camelot. You are talking about Project Avalon. That is a what is called a FORUM. I and Project Camelot have nothing to do with Project Avalon. Comments about you posted on Avalon are done by Forum members and there is a disclaimer posted on all forums that the owners are not responsible for the opinions of those posting.

PROJECT AVALON is owned and run by Bill Ryan. Bill Ryan and I split up our collaboration on Project Camelot in January of 2010. If you want to sue him (which is ludicrious) he is English! And lives in Vilacabamba. So good luck. Further he is not responsible for the opinions or postings of forum members.

Try getting your facts right. That would go a long way to making you guys worth listening to... Lying about me and Project Camelot is useless.

--Kerry Cassidy
Project Camelot

The following link is exactly what I have written in response to Drake's interview with David Wilcock and has nothing to do with what some other person wrote who did investigation of Drake on Project Avalon.

And just for the record, David Wilcock is a friend of mine and has been notified of your lies.

[YvonneG]

I never thought I would post on this thread and I only just came to it becasue it has now wound up on another forum. Frankly, I think that was is true of what Vivek has found ONLY STRENGTHENS MY Trust in Drake being a good guy. The reality folks is that it doesn't matter what you or I think or find or don't find, if Drake is for real and I beleive he is, then there is not a think you can do to stop what he says is going to happen. WHY NOT SPEND YOUR ENERGY PREPARING LOCALLY and finding out where your Sheriff stands and doing all the good things Drake is advicing. There is absolutely nothing bad that he has adviced, that won't help us.

I think there is more going on than Vivek's post that caused Drake's comments. I don't know, just my intuition. Knowing what I know about Drake and the people he is working with, I am sure Drake is not going to be unjustice. Would that some of us had his credentials...

What I do know is that this post has triggered many people, since there are things that trigger us all.

Surprised to find my post here...well so am I!

Heartmath has done 45 years of research on resonance and the heart being stronger than the brain. And they call stress a stress virus. And I feel that is what is operating very strongly now for us and we would do well to back off to our hearts and remember what is still good and what is still real. because no matter what terrible things are happening...they can NOT take your soul or the love your heart actually feels. Sure many of you will possibly respond with some cynical response because I am talking love...well, look, for me freedom ain't worth nothing without love.

Hopefully before responding as some of you do whenever I post, like the hahahaha on my previous post. Consider that you have a heart and that you do love just for a second and consider that no one is challenging you by remind of you of this.

Do you all want to keep feeding the stress virus and the negativity? Don't you think it is possible to search for the truth and present what you find without attacking? Hmmmm...well, i know it is. I see operating in other forums.

[Unified Serenity]

I am really getting sick and tired of the word "Resonate" or any version of the word. For the record, millions of Nazi's resonated with what they were doing. Millions of Cambodians resonated with what they were doing. They felt such heart warming vibes of unity and oneness as they brought peace and stability to their people. So, everytime I hear this word, I sort of roll my eyes, and think of the hundreds of millions who died from the resonating masses following their hearts in perfect unity.

[Ishtar]

You know, when the young boy in the crowd yelled out "The Emperor's got no clothes on!" I wonder how many hangers on of the Emperor's court accused him of 'negative thinking'.

I'm not feeling any stress or negativity taking part in these debates. I'm feeling relaxed and positive about being given the opportunity to say why I think Drake's proposed revolution will be the worst idea of the century.

My answers might be causing others stress, but maybe that's because the stories they hold dear are being challenged. For myself, there is no stress in posting in these threads. Just a willingness to engage in what should be debated to the nth degree before taking any action.

It's not attacking to disagree with you, Yvonne. It's healthy debate.

I do it from the heart, and I do it with love.

[Jeffrey]

Nullius in verba

[Ishtar]

Take nobody's word for it.... yes, I agree.

Do your own research and carry out your own due diligence, as you have done here so well, Vivek.

There is nothing in this thread that is libellous.

Of course, they have tried to intimidate you and shut you down by threatening to send the ninja boys round. All that means is that they may talk the talk, New Age-style, but they definitely don't walk the walk and so they're not anybody we can follow.

[wynderer]

LOL -- but not really that humorous, as it is true


I am really getting sick and tired of the word "Resonate" or any version of the word. For the record, millions of Nazi's resonated with what they were doing. Millions of Cambodians resonated with what they were doing. They felt such heart warming vibes of unity and oneness as they brought peace and stability to their people. So, everytime I hear this word, I sort of roll my eyes, and think of the hundreds of millions who died from the resonating masses following their hearts in perfect unity.

[Jeffrey]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=485048&viewfull=1#post485048

YAR NESTOR

[Prodigal Son]

[QUOTE=Vivek;474549] The next in line of people for the alternative community to look to for answers and/or hope outside of ourselves?

When ever we are being prompted to look outside of ourselves for any meaningful answers or solutions, we are being manipulated. It's as simple as that, IMHO that is.:sad:

Cheers,
Fred
I know what you're basing this sentiment on, and I understand where it's coming from. I've learned a little about human consciousness and our latent powers. But in this particular situation, when it comes to making a concerted effort to rid the planet of this infection before it completely devours the host, what's the difference between never looking outside of ourselves and never looking outside of American Idol, Miller Lite, Domino's Pizza and the NFL?

[9eagle9]

Resonance is actually familiarity. Like when people throw away Christianity and declare a dead patriachal religions and choose a new age loving religion which is basically Christianity 'lite'---same core values. No punishing OT God but karma to dish out reward and punishment. That's resonance.

No wonder they resonate its the same ****e over and over again. It's gotta be familiar by now.


LOL -- but not really that humorous, as it is true


I am really getting sick and tired of the word "Resonate" or any version of the word. For the record, millions of Nazi's resonated with what they were doing. Millions of Cambodians resonated with what they were doing. They felt such heart warming vibes of unity and oneness as they brought peace and stability to their people. So, everytime I hear this word, I sort of roll my eyes, and think of the hundreds of millions who died from the resonating masses following their hearts in perfect unity.

[Hervé]

Resonating... without reasoning as in triggered with an external signal much like skull-dwelling-zombies let loose in the world ready to react to their post-hypnotic commands implanted in their mind during these strange incidents under institutionalizations or abductions if not prior to being shoved inside a skull at birth or as a walk-in.

For those curious about the last part above, please check these:

http://lunahelia.com/docs/cash.zip (http://lunahelia.com/docs/cash.zip) The Programming of a Planet
http://lunahelia.com/docs/cash2.zip (http://lunahelia.com/docs/cash2.zip) Eye of Ra

[9eagle9]

And confusing resonance with vibration. They got 'misinformed' about that too.

[Dennis Leahy]

I'm not going to invest a great deal of energy in this, but there is something very obvious that has gone unsaid (or at least, that I didn't catch.)

This isn't a pro-Drake thing.

This isn't an anti-Drake thing.

This has to do with integrity, compassion, respect, and a dash of "forum decorum" that I think is intended at Avalon.

For this to really have much context, lets rewind the clock a bit. Let's set the scene:
Before the OP in this thread, what we had was: Someone named "Drake" had been introduced by David Wilcock. Drake said he was the spokesperson for a group of patriots that have been working on a plan to oust the nefarious pretenders to the throne who have taken over the US, and restore sovereignty to the US.

OK, let's stop there just a minute. Do you personally believe that bad guys have taken over the US? (I do.) Do you know of anything, and I mean ANYTHING at all that has even the remotest chance of getting these people out of power? (I don't, and that includes: voting, not voting, 50 million gun brandishing "hunters" storming Washington CD, Occupy Wall Street and its offshoots, and the October 2011 movement. None of them have any chance at all of changing anything, though Occupy certainly woke a few more people up and did point right at the bankers. Still, you have to admit, the Americentric-blob of the Dark Cabal has utter and complete control of the US, and no one has a clue how to change that. If they want Marshal Law, they throw together a big false flag and declare Marshal Law. I want to make clear that this is reality, and that we have literally zero control over what they do and when they do it.)

So, Drake tells us that there is a plan, and that the time has come to tell the general public that it is about to unfold (so the public will know it is not Marshall Law.) I won't go over the particulars of the plan here (this has been covered elsewhere), nor am I going to go over the the logical and emotional reactions to the portion of the plan as revealed (this has been covered elsewhere, too.) Drake does mention that he prefers to remain anonymous.

Nearly instantly, we have people on Avalon making public guesses as to exactly who Drake really is. So much for respecting his wishes, or even showing a modicum of respect. Hey, this isn't Klaus Barbie, it's a guy who is quite likely risking his life, and who asked to remain anonymous. "It's Jim Marrs! I'm positive!" Lucky for Jim Marrs that is wasn't Jim Marrs and that Jim Marrs did't get killed the same night. That was terribly irresponsible. This isn't a game of Dungeons and Dragons or some "reality" TV show. The Dark Cabal murders people. Do you give a crap if someone who is probably risking his life gets murdered because it's fun to guess who this person who asked to remain anonymous is?

But wait, there's more...

Next, we have the full Monty thread (that would be this one), where the full name of the individual who asked to remain anonymous is revealed. In fact, a whole bunch of information is posted about the guy who (yes, I'm going to say it AGAIN) asked to remain anonymous. A guy who apparently committed the crime of ... trying to help.

Do recall that each and every one of us has no way to remove these criminals from power. Oh sure, we can stick our head in the sand, live our own lives with integrity and grace, maybe even stretch beyond selfish hermit to being a truly positive member of community - but we have NOTHING at all that will stop the genocidal, ecocidal maniacs in power. And the one guy that siad he is with a group that is going to try... how do we treat that guy?

Like a liar and a jerk and an idiot.

What happens when, on Avalon, (a site that gained its fame from information from "whistleblowers" and "insiders" - at least some of whom were anonymous) a thread like this appears? A thunderous round of applause for the OP! Over 100 "Thanks!" issued.

And by what logic and what emotion is it justified? You don't believe him.

Because you don't believe him, he doesn't get human respect. Because you don't believe him, he gets "outed", which you obviously don't care if that might mean his own death or the death of family members. You tear into him like jackals because you don't believe him.

This is really an embarrassment for Avalon and the Avalon community.

I suspect that what Drake actually reacted to was this cavalier and callous disrespect. Imagine if it was you. Oh, never mind, you can't envision walking in his shoes. You wouldn't risk your life to take down the Cabal and you know it. You're having too much fun shooting people with your keyboard.

Dennis

[crosby]

i disagree Dennis. he has been given a lot of respect. there are many people here who are trying very hard to believe the story, they want to believe. there are many here who already do believe the story, and nothing will change their point of view. and, there are many people here who do not believe the story. the clash of the titans. i do not believe that anyone is purposely trying to make a mockery out of this. i know that i am not. i am just looking for the truth, and i have been told that i need to wake up. it's a deep, dark, mysterious world, we do not know who to trust. i understand what you are saying, and i empathize. i have been silent for several days to wait and see what is going on. we must be careful not to mix emotion with reason, the gist of any good argument is premise and conclusion; validity and soundness, weakness and strength. there is much to unfold, we will see what happens.
warmest, corson

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

Fantastic post Dennis.

Too often as has previously been seen before (charles being aperfect example, no judgement either side) where members jump straight on to a thread and start shopoting their mouths off.

For alot of people who love and respect, there does seem at times, complete disregard to the positions of others.

PVM

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Dennis ~ that was beautiful, eloquent, and perfect. Also REFRESHING. Thanks!

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I don't jump to conclusions. If I think someone is wrong, I don't make that personal. But if I think someone is deliberately deceiving thousands of people, I am going to say so and I am going to make no bones about it. I did so with J.Z. Knight whom I proclaimed to be a fraud and a con artist who destroys lives. I have been attacked viciously and often for that. But if this is my belief, then what kind of a person would I be otherwise?

People can have different beliefs and they can be different than mine. But a liar is a liar and I do not suffer fools. And if that means that I am not your idea of love and light and rainbow unicorns then that's ok with me. If that doesn't fit your version of what this community should be, then you and I differ on that point.

And sure, if sixty days from now we are all free forever and living in a thousand years of peace, then I will apologize to Drake privately and publicly. If not, Drake is a liar and a con man. There is no middle ground here. So far, he has shown himself to be a small, vindictive, and petty man more concerned with his own ego than the salvation of billions.

Your words do not shame me. I reject them.

[the_vast_mystery]

To be fair to everyone other than Drake however, if he was 100% serious about what he was doing then there is something to be said for the sentiment that at the moment he began fumbling his facts regarding the legal documentation he sent, and not admitting fault, he opened himself up to this sort of strict scrutiny. After so many people have been taken for a ride so many times that just hammers home the sort of audience you are dealing with. Tell me, do you stick your hand right up in the face of an abused dog to pet it? Do you hit it when it bites your hand in response? Is doing this going to ever bring the dog to trust you? The fact that he couldn't show he cared enough by ensuring his story and every fact presented was straight as an arrow underscores his unseriousness at what he was doing.

Now while I always like to admit to every possibility the likelihood of this being a double-bluff is very slim and because of that at the first sign of him being untrustworthy I can't fault others for wanting to know who he is. Because if you REALLY consider his situation then the fact that he might be lying also means he's lying about being under threat of death or torture. To the external observer one cannot discern whether Drake is telling the truth and engineering a clever double-bluff by fudging important facts or if he's a scheming charlatan trying to claim his fifteen minutes of fame for whatever he can get. (Doesn't have to be just money, some people just want attention.) When considering each possibility to be just as likely, and the possibility of him lying meaning that revealing his identity may not in fact be under threat, again, I can't say I find fault in wanting to know more.

If he's really 100% serious, he should have expected this.

[crosby]

it's a shame that there wasn't more foresight.
regards, corson

[Unified Serenity]

You have got to be kidding me! This guy goes on a large alternative radio show with DW, spouts off a basic coup plan and thinks he is not going to be on someone's radar way beyond lil ole forums? Let me inform you all of some techno facts. Your computer has a very individual code. Your activities are easy to track down. I will guarantee you that if Drake was not in on the psy op from the get go, that they (the bad guys) would have had all of DW's phone and internet records within minutes, would track down the location of this "Drake" character on the show, have all of his phone, internet, emails, debit and credit card, criminal history, work history within seconds.

You all tend to believe the government is years ahead of us in technology. Do you think for a minute if Drake was in touch with higher up in the military and other countries leaders as well that the CIA, Mossad, MI5, KGB sorts would not all have a file on him and be watching him closely? I mean the utter audacity of some of you to think that a few forum wonks outed Mr. Drake is a friggin joke! They know what we eat, who we talk to, how many drugs we have legally and illegally, and what sorts of games we like to unwind ourselves with. If you are afraid of being known by the ptb then I highly suggest you shut off your computer, turn in your debit cards and credit cards, do everything with cash and keep a low profile in all ways.

This blaming forum chatter is ridiculous, and a terrible tactic to start finger wagging at those who demand more than the latest "star" story.

[crosby]

yeah, i recognize a computer attack when i have one. every time i tried to do research on the triplets, i had major problems....
regards, corson

[NancyV]

Dennis, attempting to shame those of us who are skeptical of Drake is not a good ploy to use on people who are aware that they are not responsible for the actions of others. Drake is solely responsible for being on the internet and on the radio. As Unified Serenity so eloquently stated Drake would have to be a fool to think he could remain anonymous on the internet.

Attempting to cast blame on anyone who found out easily accessible facts about him on the internet and shared them on this forum is also unacceptable. Hinting that we could be responsible for his getting hurt or killed is despicable, contemptible, low, vile, and wretched (and a few other synonyms I won't post here). I agree with Whiskey Mystic and I categorically reject your attempt to shame or blame anyone wanting to discuss Drake's bona fides and the legitimacy of the "plan".

[Ishtar]

Frankly, after Sunday night's performance, I'm amazed that anyone on here still sees him as a credible leader of a new age movement. He threatened to send the White Dragon assassins to members here over the issue of totally legitimate research and due diligence! (Sorry, I'm not usually given to exclamation marks, but Come On!!!!).

Never mind, Dennis, that what we said could have got him killed (and I agree with US that that is a nonsensical argument, for the reasons she gave). Drake actually threatened to have us brutally murdered by people who tear their opponents limb from limb, as he helpfully told us in that broadcast. How well does that sit with a movement that is about bringing more peace and love to this Earth? He says one thing, but does another. He talks of firing squads and guillotines in the same breath as he talks of peaceful and sustainable local communities. He talks the talk, but he doesn't walk the walk. He's not walking a line that runs straight and true. He's not in truth.

Over the gate at Delphi, where the ancient Greeks would go to consult with the Oracle, there was a sign that said Know Thyself.

Know Thyself is the most important and fundamental building block of the spiritual path ... without it, the whole path crumbles because it cannot run straight and true.

Drake doesn't know himself, and that's what makes him so dangerous.

So I don't want this issue of Drake's threat to be swept under the carpet.

I WOULD LIKE DRAKE TO MAKE A FORMAL APOLOGY FOR THREATENING TO HAVE PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM MURDERED BY THE WHITE DRAGONS, WHO HE PREVIOUSLY CLAIMED TO HAVE NO ASSOCIATION WITH. IF I DON'T RECEIVE ONE, I WILL BE INFORMING THE POLICE SO THAT IF ANYTHING HAPPENS TO ME OR ANY OF MY FRIENDS ON HERE, OR ANYWHERE, THEY WILL KNOW WHO TO ARREST.

[christian]

Because you don't believe him, he doesn't get human respect. Because you don't believe him, he gets "outed", which you obviously don't care if that might mean his own death or the death of family members. You tear into him like jackals because you don't believe him.

I simply appreciate people looking at evidence. I do not appreciate jumping to conclusions, but to make efforts to get to the essence of Drake and his claims is a good thing. I agree, that it's not a pro or anti Drake thing, but simply an investigation.


“The unexamined life is not worth living.” -- Socrates

“It is the right and the duty of everyone who seeks the truth to doubt, investigate and consider all available evidence. Wherever this doubting and investigating is forbidden; wherever authorities demand unquestioning belief -- there is evidence of a profane arrogance, which arouses our suspicions. If those whose contentions are questioned had truth on their side, they would patiently answer all questions. Certainly they would not continue to conceal evidence and documents which pertain to the controversy. If those who demand belief are lying, however, they will call for a judge. By this ye shall know them. He who tells the truth is calm and composed, but he who lies demands worldly justice.” -- Viktor R. Knirsch

Anyone, who himself makes so much efforts to be in the public arena can hardly demand to remain anonymous and from people to not try to find out who he is. If he wanted to remain anoymous, he should have handled this whole thing differently. You cannot go into the public arena like he did and say "do not try to find out who I am".

I appreciate some of the energies Drake helps to trigger and overall I neither believe nor disbelieve him, both would be burderning me. His behaviour towards Avalon seemed rather rude to me anyways, making threats and demanding stuff, as if it was his birthright. As for a plan to get the cabal out of power, I'm all for grassroots movements, those are exponentially growing and of course very real white hats inside the old power structure play a role as well.

[mountain_jim]

Dennis, attempting to shame those of us who are skeptical of Drake is not a good ploy to use on people who are aware that they are not responsible for the actions of others. Drake is solely responsible for being on the internet and on the radio. As Unified Serenity so eloquently stated Drake would have to be a fool to think he could remain anonymous on the internet.

Attempting to cast blame on anyone who found out easily accessible facts about him on the internet and shared them on this forum is also unacceptable. Hinting that we could be responsible for his getting hurt or killed is despicable, contemptible, low, vile, and wretched (and a few other synonyms I won't post here). I agree with Whiskey Mystic and I categorically reject your attempt to shame or blame anyone wanting to discuss Drake's bona fides and the legitimacy of the "plan".




Your words do not shame me. I reject them.




I simply appreciate people looking at evidence. I do not appreciate jumping to conclusions, but to make efforts to get to the essence of Drake and his claims is a good thing. I agree, that it's not a pro or anti Drake thing, but simply an investigation.

“The unexamined life is not worth living.” -- Socrates

“It is the right and the duty of everyone who seeks the truth to doubt, investigate and consider all available evidence. Wherever this doubting and investigating is forbidden; wherever authorities demand unquestioning belief -- there is evidence of a profane arrogance, which arouses our suspicions. If those whose contentions are questioned had truth on their side, they would patiently answer all questions. Certainly they would not continue to conceal evidence and documents which pertain to the controversy. If those who demand belief are lying, however, they will call for a judge. By this ye shall know them. He who tells the truth is calm and composed, but he who lies demands worldly justice.” -- Viktor R. Knirsch
Anyone, who himself makes so much efforts to be in the public arena can hardly demand to remain anonymous and from people to not try to find out who he is. If he wanted to remain anoymous, he should have handled this whole thing differently. You cannot go into the public arena like he did and say "do not try to find out who I am".




I stand with these folks. I posted an offhand 'my wife said it sounded like Jim Marrs' , a very-public figure, who obviously would know better than to have his voice out un-modulated if he wanted to stay anonymous while talking on the radio. I stated later I would not have done so if I had realized the conversation it would start. But now I do not even agree with that.

Bill Ryan has conducted many interviews with whistleblowers who have remained anonymous to us and to all, nothing Drake has done followed a methodology like that used by Bill and Kerry.

The research in the thread you are damning and decrying is the kind of value I come to this forum for, as it is so difficult to find and discern the Truth among all these stories and claims.

You may have noticed I have focused on the NS-f'ingA in some of these threads - that's because, like Unified Serenity, I understand how it is their intention to know everything about everyone that uses an electronic device in this country - Drake did not come anywhere near trying to be anonymous or he would not have used that name and would also have used voice modulation and other technology to try and preserve his anonymity and not link himself to his long internet audit trail.

Dennis, I like a lot of your posts, but I strongly disagree with this one, and feel that if Drake is really one of the leaders of this effort it is doomed to fail, just based on him not having enough sense to take obvious measures to preserve his anonymity if he really needs that.



This is really an embarrassment for Avalon and the Avalon community.

I suspect that what Drake actually reacted to was this cavalier and callous disrespect. Imagine if it was you. Oh, never mind, you can't envision walking in his shoes. You wouldn't risk your life to take down the Cabal and you know it. You're having too much fun shooting people with your keyboard.



Speaking of 'cavalier and callous disrespect'....

You presume to know what risks or actions we (as individuals) are taking to change our Reality for the better?

You think trying to comprehend what's really happening in this hall of mirrors is FUN?

Many actions to change things are not conducted via keyboard, but at the Soul and Reality Manifestation level. This 3D-Duality-schoolyard is about to get shook up big time as the hall monitors assert themselves.

I for one AM AWARE that The Changes are happening NOW, on so many levels and fronts.

Drake's Drama in this forum is a miniscule matter by comparison.

[felixq78]

What lies ? I've heard the interview Drake did and I've heard Cassidy's radio comments with which I disagree with strongly but she has a right to say what she wants. The only problem seems to be a mixup in the names of the particular web sites. Nothing negative came from Bill Ryan's lips just from Kerry Cassidy's, maybe she should have waited and found out a little more before speaking. I would have thought that knowing David Wilcock was involved would have kept her quiet until she knew more (if there was more to know). If there was a negative "post" on Avalon then "that's all it was" and Avalon can't be held responsible for it. Drake has overreacted which isn't a big deal if you know the massive amount of stress he must be under at the moment. There's an evil force that's taken advantage of all these minor differences that's what we should be fighting, not each other. All the people involved are supposed to be on the SAME side. The nitpicking we see on the internet with regards to people who happen to be Freemasons is ridiculous.
The vast majority are just ordinary folk totally unaware of the evil at the tip of the pyramid we should cut them some slack.

[9eagle9]

There you go folks, don't question Drake, he's under a lot of pressure. A lot of stress. He can't manage his feelings but he can manage to bring a great Plan into fruition.

He's capable of taking on the world's power brokers but can't stand the strain of having a little cross examination on a web site or have his declarations questioned in any way.


If you do not stop questioning Drake , Fulfords wife will kidnap him again, and David Wilcocks will claim the 'Plan' failure is because of the unexpected energetic circumstances caused by you all questioning Drake. At the very least the mass arrests won't occur until August because all you people were questioning Drake. (Don't question Wilcocks while your at it.)

Just shut up and don't question anyone!

DON"T QUESTION ANYTHING, dammit you will hurt someone's feelings! Drakes inablity to manage his emotions is because you all are questioning him!

How dare you question Drake.

No matter that his actions are forcing arrests, resignations and bringing the ptb to its news you should remain completed unaffected by these events, therefore have no basis for questioning him.

Damn all you questioners, you are ruining everything!!!

[the_vast_mystery]

There you go folks, don't question Drake, he's under a lot of pressure. A lot of stress. He can't manage his feelings but he can manage to bring a great Plan into fruition.

He's capable of taking on the world's power brokers but can't stand the strain of having a little cross examination on a web site or have his declarations questioned in any way.


If you do not stop questioning Drake , Fulfords wife will kidnap him again, and David Wilcocks will claim the 'Plan' failure is because of the unexpected energetic circumstances caused by you all questioning Drake. At the very least the mass arrests won't occur until August because all you people were questioning Drake. (Don't question Wilcocks while your at it.)

Just shut up and don't question anyone!

DON"T QUESTION ANYTHING, dammit you will hurt someone's feelings! Drakes inablity to manage his emotions is because you all are questioning him!

How dare you question Drake.

No matter that his actions are forcing arrests, resignations and bringing the ptb to its news you should remain completed unaffected by these events, therefore have no basis for questioning him.

Damn all you questioners, you are ruining everything!!!

Ahem, you forgot to add the obligatory "And he would've finally done it this time! If only it wasn't for you meddling Kids, and your darned dog too!" ;p

[9eagle9]

Dennis...You and Drake are uncomfortable with the questioning.

Suck it up.

You're right it has nothing to do with pro-Drake or anti Drake. You are uncomfortable because your beliefs are not being supported and validated and agreed to.

Suck it up.

With Wilcocks surfing on one's coat tails and in one's wake , no one is going to remain incognito for very long irregardless. Davy might miss PR or a photo op. Rub elbows with someone who believes the discretion is the better part of becoming unnoticed, no one can remain incognito very long .

[RMorgan]

He's capable of taking on the world's power brokers but can't stand the strain of having a little cross examination on a web site or have his declarations questioned in any way.

If you do not stop questioning Drake , Fulfords wife will kidnap him again, and David Wilcocks will claim the 'Plan' failure is because of the unexpected energetic circumstances caused by you all questioning Drake. At the very least the mass arrests won't occur until August because all you people were questioning Drake. (Don't question Wilcocks while your at it.)


Hahahahaha! One of the best posts ever! Thank you 9eagle9!

Raf.

[Ishtar]

It looks like Wolf Spirit Radio has removed all Drake's recordings from the Archives.

http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archive/download.php?id=Freedom_Reigns

Someone must have come to their senses about how libellous Drake was on Sunday night.

[MMA_Fan]

Dennis,

I think a lot of people are sick of false promises. The past couple of years have seen a lot of charlatans making promises or good people played for fools.
People are sick of it.
The alternative community has a cancer of bull**** that's getting worse.
The arrests should have happened by now and I have people close to me that pin their hopes on this latest garbage.

I am all for hope - things will get better, but when someone appears on the scene making big claims and doesn't provide any proof to the veracity of them they should expect this kind of backlash.

I say this to you with respect mate and by no means take it as an attack upon yourself.

[Unified Serenity]

Quite frankly, Khaleesi and I had a very good laugh as we pretended to be answering the thoughts about us naysayers stopping the liberation of mankind or preventing the 100th monkey from having it's freedom to fling poo with the best of the other free monkeys.

"Yes, Vivek and I have personally stopped the billions of people on earth from experiencing ascension and true freedom, we must be damned for sure!"

[Dennis Leahy]

... Let me inform you all of some techno facts. Your computer has a very individual code. Your activities are easy to track down....
You know what, you're right about that. I made a stupid statement. They knew who Drake was before his microphone went on. It really did not increase his chances of being killed by the Cabal. Come to think of it he did say that he wanted to remain anonymous specifically so his mailbox wouldn't fill-up (in other words, distract from the task at hand.)


Dennis, attempting to shame those of us who are skeptical of Drake.Hang on, if that's the impression, please re-read. I fully expect a group of people not mesmerized by TV to form factions on any topic. Some will be 100% skeptical, some will believe 100%, and all the spectrum of possibilities between. This wasn't about skepticism, it was about:
1.) outing someone who asked not to be outed
and
2.) the complete disrespect of someone who has indicated that he's trying to help. The words I used were that he was treated as a "liar and a jerk and an idiot."

I never said to anyone not to be skeptical. I'm skeptical. Skepticism isn't mockery or trying to rip someone to shreds (not you, this was a general vibe from a few of the most vocal disbelievers of Drake's story.) Can't at least some folks go back over their words are recognize that they crossed far over the line from being skeptical to becoming what they were mocking: the new forum savior. As if they had to 'ride herd' on us dumbasses lest we fall into a ditch. That comment will get a few people squirming. I can just hear the retort, "calling a liar a liar is not having a savior complex!!!" Well, anyone insisting that they have more than a simple opinion and that their view is "more" (important, omniscient, clear, correct, insightful) indicates at least delusions of grandeur if not a full-blown savior complex.


sees him as a credible leader of a new age movement.

I WILL BE INFORMING THE POLICE...
Um, where did that come from?
He said he is a "spokesperson", not a leader.
This isn't a "movement."
Drake's compatriots' plan is being touted as a legal action with military backing. How does that transmute into "new age movement?"

Do you see how far off-base your statement is? Can't you just disagree, or make your declaration that you don't believe this plan or person?

Oh and the police: I don't know you well enough to know if what you wrote was kind of a comedy routine - to make a point, or that you really plan on talking to your local police. You do know they don't work for you, right? They "serve and protect" by serving the interests of those with deep pockets, and they protect whomever and whatever they are ordered to protect - by the same folks that they serve.


... I'm all for grassroots movements, those are exponentially growing ... Yeah, me too. When I realized that I have no way to influence the really big issues of our times (like genocide, ecocide, the genetic destruction of food, etc.), I decided to just stick with community-level projects. It does matter, and it is powerful - although it saddens me to realize that I have no power against the big issues.

I just spent 8 hours at the community garden, rototilling plots, planting fruit trees, planning out a community herb garden, sharing some strawberry plants, getting a crew together to do some repairs/upgrades on a section of fence and a new gate. I'm sunburned, tired, and grinning. I really do believe in the community stuff.


... I posted an offhand 'my wife said it sounded like Jim Marrs' , a very-public figure, who obviously would know better than to have his voice out un-modulated if he wanted to stay anonymous while talking on the radio. I stated later I would not have done so if I had realized the conversation it would start. But now I do not even agree with that.

[B]The research in the thread you are damning and decrying is the kind of value I come to this forum for

Speaking of 'cavalier and callous disrespect'....

[B]You presume to know what risks or actions we (as individuals) are taking to change our Reality for the better?

You think trying to comprehend what's really happening in this hall of mirrors is FUN?
...
Jim, You reacted with understanding and compassion when I mentioned in that thread that we shouldn't be publicly guessing someone's name when they asked for it not be revealed. I hope you don't retract that gesture. (As it turns out, the other person - not you - insisted on not dropping it, as if it was their duty to press on.)

I don't decry research - even research on Drake. But, for one thing, research doesn't have to have a flavor of a "hit piece", or provide numerous minor details that appear to be an attempt to 'target', and to discredit not report. Secondly, how wise is it of us to take the spokesman for a group that (I'm assuming here) most of us would see as pretty much the only possible way to remove at least the US faction of the Evil Ones In Power, and try to blast him out of the water? It simply makes no sense to aim arrows at someone trying to help.

Several people here have a bizarre notion that Drake is an undeclared savior, and that alone earned him the right to be scrutinized to some savior standards. We all know the phrase, don't shoot the messenger, but some folks simply insisted on doing just that.

You're right, I do make the sweeping assumption that no one here is risking what would be - at the very minimum - life imprisonment for "treason." Just look what those 9 clowns in black robes have been doing lately - is there any doubt that an "attempt" to do what Drake says is in the works would be labeled 'treason' by the US PTB? In fact, I'd say it is quite likely, seeing what they plan to do with Julian Assange, that Drake already has a charge of treason that they will slap on him if the plan never happens or fails. (They don't need to rush it - they know he's only the messenger.) As far as I know, no one reporting in here has their neck stuck out that far. I admit, I don't. Do you know of anyone here that is as exposed as Drake? Even if someone thinks the plan can't work, doesn't the person who agreed to be their spokesperson deserve respect?


There you go folks, don't question Drake, he's under a lot of pressure. A lot of stress. He can't manage his feelings but he can manage to bring a great Plan into fruition.

He's capable of taking on the world's power brokers but can't stand the strain of having a little cross examination on a web site or have his declarations questioned in any way.


If you do not stop questioning Drake , Fulfords wife will kidnap him again, and David Wilcocks will claim the 'Plan' failure is because of the unexpected energetic circumstances caused by you all questioning Drake. At the very least the mass arrests won't occur until August because all you people were questioning Drake. (Don't question Wilcocks while your at it.)

Just shut up and don't question anyone!

DON"T QUESTION ANYTHING, dammit you will hurt someone's feelings! Drakes inablity to manage his emotions is because you all are questioning him!

How dare you question Drake.

No matter that his actions are forcing arrests, resignations and bringing the ptb to its news you should remain completed unaffected by these events, therefore have no basis for questioning him.

Damn all you questioners, you are ruining everything!!!
Sounds pretty snarky and mocking. Aren't you powerful enough to just say you don't believe it, and hold to that? How would a shaman say that? I admit, I know virtually nothing about 'shamans' other than what I have read by a few people on Avalon who claim to be a shaman, so maybe I have higher expectations than I should. I used to really enjoy reading the word-interplay between monk and master in old Buddhist literature. Sometimes there was a heavy rebuke, but It never felt as small as base mockery. Mockery makes it appear that people feel inferior and need to put-down the other person rather than simply state their case and hold a powerful silence.

Again, "questioning" is not the issue, and I suspect you know it. Twisting another's words is running a program, no?

You declared that you could stop a bullet, right? I don't believe you. Does that mean that you are now fair game for numerous Avalon members to mock and deride you? Will you handle it with grace? What if we post the full name of the woman that says she can stop bullets? Or maybe add your address? Would you react calmly?


Dennis...You and Drake are uncomfortable with the questioning.

Suck it up.

You're right it has nothing to do with pro-Drake or anti Drake. You are uncomfortable because your beliefs are not being supported and validated and agreed to.

Suck it up.
9eagle9, you don't know me, though you presume to. You've decided you don't like me, and you're dragging that baggage around with you. You have declared that I (and most others here) cannot understand your wisdom (with the underlying current that your wisdom exceeds mine, and most of us), so you need to talk over our heads to the few that do understand.

When you explained your "not my problem" stance, you made it clear that you would not focus on the issues I describe as the "Big Issues" of modern human life under the Dark Cabal. You are focused on yourself, and everything is fine. That's when I decided not to converse with you, not because we don't agree on something or believe in the same thing, but because you declared that you were not interested in any of the big issues - because they don't affect you. I have no idea why you decided to join the fray with the Drake scenario (it is, at least potentially, quite a big issue) but I hope you'll understand why I won't be responding directly to you after this post.


Dennis

[9eagle9]

Dennis it didn't 'sound' snarky and mocking.

It IS snarky and mocking.

You give yourself far too much credit Dennis you don' t have enough depth for me to dislike you.

[StarDust]

It looks like Wolf Spirit Radio has removed all Drake's recordings from the Archives.

http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archive/download.php?id=Freedom_Reigns

Someone must have come to their senses about how libellous Drake was on Sunday night.

Total BS! I just went to WSR and this link has all the archives in tact:

http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archive/download.php?id=Drake

Looks like they just did a bit of cleanup and the archive is now listed as "Drake" instead of Freedom Reigns which had existed for a while.

[Jeffrey]

It looks like Wolf Spirit Radio has removed all Drake's recordings from the Archives.

http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archive/download.php?id=Freedom_Reigns

Someone must have come to their senses about how libellous Drake was on Sunday night.

Total BS! I just went to WSR and this link has all the archives in tact:

http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archive/download.php?id=Drake

Looks like they just did a bit of cleanup and the archive is now listed as "Drake" instead of Freedom Reigns which had existed for a while.

FreedomReigns disavowed them (well, Brockbrader) as I understand it.

[KiwiElf]

They will be moving to a new station of their own shortly to distance themselves from Brockbrader & WSR.
Until then, they will be here.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/freedomreigns/2012/05/13/freedom-reigns-clarification

No schedule as yet ;)

And thank you Dennis - you took the words right outta my mouth ;)

[KiwiElf]

...Let me inform you all of some techno facts. Your computer has a very individual code...

Unified Serenity, that's true, but everytime you switch your computer off (ie full shutdown), your I.P. address is reset - ask anyone in I.T. ... except..EDIT (they don't usually volunteer the info, re "how" ;) and is better explained by Paul, please refer to his post below (plus a load of software out there that can mask your ID if you so choose). ;)

[Ishtar]

Dennis, just because someone criticises your saviour doesn't mean that they are trying to replace him in people's eyes. I really think you must be in some kind of denial if you're going to deflect attention to the style of the language I used and away from the now proven veracity of what I said.

You obviously don't understand my posts or are not reading them carefully enough. I'm not reporting Drake to the police for being the leader or spokesman of a movement. Please go back and read what I said. I'm reporting him to the police for threatening harm (at the very least) and murder (at worst) to myself and some of the members in this thread on his Wolf Spirit Radio programme last Sunday.

Where I come from, threatening harm is still a crime and I will be doing this for our protection unless Drake apologises.

Resorting to the existing legal process is no different to Drake also threatening to use the existing terrorism legislation to shut us down in this thread. In fact, it's much more proportionate and appropriate.

[ThePythonicCow]

... but everytime you switch your computer off (ie full shutdown), your I.P. address is reset ...
For the typical home user, not necessarily.

It is better explained here: How long will I keep my IP address? (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robin.d.h.walker/cmtips/dhcp.html#long)

Some effort is made to give you the same address each time. If you have a separate NAT or router, just leaving that powered on will hold your address indefinitely. Some ISP's even sell you fixed addresses, if you like.

I've had my same IP address for a couple of years now, and this is on a garden variety cable modem setup with a separate router.

(Also the separate "code" that Unified Serenity refers to is likely something more esoteric than it makes sense to explain here ... I read her post as -not- referring to an IP address, though I doubt she wrote it as I read it.)

[KiwiElf]

Thank you Paul - (just goes to show the different perspectives we can have of the same one thing - I should have added "if you know how" & "if you were referring to..." - oops" - (my apologies Serenity) ;) - And Paul, I agree BTW - cool perspective :)

[Sirius White]

When are people gonna get over their fear of ancient knowledge, and secret knowledge?

This knowledge does NOT belong to Freemasons, nor to the Illuminati of todays conspiracy theories.

This knowledge is universal and belongs to us all!

The way it is being used by the "powers that were" is a perversion, an unholy perversion of ancient and sacred lineages of spiritual teachings- of the mysteries of all things.

To put it short and sweet: there are many good "illuminati groups." Don't be so quick to jump on the "OMG!!! Illuminati!! SATAN" bandwagon. Otherwise you'd have to put me in there- and rest assured I am nothing like those types.

And the symbol of all seeing eye in triangle and symbol of all seeing eye in pyramid (4 and 3 sided) are completely different things...

[Ishtar]

Sirius, I think this thread does largely make that point ~ that occult knowledge and practice is not solely the preserve of the Illuminati, and that in any case, by no means all Illuminati groups are "Illuminaughtys".

David Wilcock is at fault, though, in this area. He has said that the aim of the Illuminati is to get us all worshipping Lucifer, as if that would automatically turn us into Devil worshippers. As I said in my article Rehabilitating Lucifer (http://ishtarsgate.wordpress.com/2012/04/15/rehabilitating-lucifer/)

"Just because that cabal of selfish evil people worships Lucifer, it doesn't make Lucifer evil any more than that cabal of selfish evil people in the Vatican worshipping Jesus makes Jesus evil."

[9eagle9]

David doesn't want the competition; we should really all be worshiping him.




Sirius, I think this thread does largely make that point ~ that occult knowledge and practice is not solely the preserve of the Illuminati, and that in any case, by no means all Illuminati groups are "Illuminaughtys".

David Wilcock is at fault, though, in this area. He has said that the aim of the Illuminati is to get us all worshipping Lucifer, as if that would automatically turn us into Devil worshippers. As I said in my article Rehabilitating Lucifer (http://ishtarsgate.wordpress.com/2012/04/15/rehabilitating-lucifer/)

"Just because that cabal of selfish evil people worships Lucifer, it doesn't make Lucifer evil any more than that cabal of selfish evil people in the Vatican worshipping Jesus makes Jesus evil."

[Prodigal Son]

Sirius, I think this thread does largely make that point ~ that occult knowledge and practice is not solely the preserve of the Illuminati, and that in any case, by no means all Illuminati groups are "Illuminaughtys".

David Wilcock is at fault, though, in this area. He has said that the aim of the Illuminati is to get us all worshipping Lucifer, as if that would automatically turn us into Devil worshippers. As I said in my article Rehabilitating Lucifer (http://ishtarsgate.wordpress.com/2012/04/15/rehabilitating-lucifer/)

"Just because that cabal of selfish evil people worships Lucifer, it doesn't make Lucifer evil any more than that cabal of selfish evil people in the Vatican worshipping Jesus makes Jesus evil."

That's an awesome blog you have there Ishtar. Thanks for helping us all to understand that "magical" powers can be used for either benevolent or nefarious purposes. The key to ascension is to strike the perfect balance between the negative and positive, male and female. The desired path is right through the middle of that Kabbalistic Tree Of Life. The PTB are adept at keeping an IMBALANCE in this world... too far to the left, or too far to the right, it matters not to them. Either side is a path to destruction. There is a scripture where Jesus says to seek out the narrow road, not the broad and spacious ones that are easy to find.

Lucifer is the Divine Principle in our 3d reality. Satan is the negative principle. Lucifer, without balance, is the Super Ego on steroids.... Pharisees personify this. Satan is the ID on steroids...everything is ME ME ME. The EGO is the middle path.

Thanks again.... and maybe you will find some truth in this article:

Beyond Good And Evil

http://armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/Beyond-Good-and-Evil%282196317%29.htm

[Unified Serenity]

...Let me inform you all of some techno facts. Your computer has a very individual code...

Unified Serenity, that's true, but everytime you switch your computer off (ie full shutdown), your I.P. address is reset - ask anyone in I.T. ... except..EDIT (they don't usually volunteer the info, re "how" ;) and is better explained by Paul, please refer to his post below (plus a load of software out there that can mask your ID if you so choose). ;)


I am not talking about IP addresses. Back in the 90's an Army friend who specialized in communication told me that the government can track anyone via a special identifier in their computer that was not the IP address. There are various ways to do this, but at the time, he was talking about a cpu code. Thus, using an anonymizer or switching IP's would not hide who you are. I do not know how this all works, but he told me quite a few hidden things the government can and does do to track person's of interest.

Another one was the fact that any phone can be switched on and used as a bug if you will to listen in on conversations and tv's having hidden camera's and microphones as well. That back then the only way to be sure you were not being listened to was to take the battery out of the cell phone and not have any electronic type devices like a computer, tv, or land line around you, and sweep the area for bugs. When I was involved in elections for a certain Senatororial candidate back in the 90's, we regularly had to sweep for bugs during planning meetings.

Of course there are also the distance listening devices that can be utilized and most people do not have a secure hardened room to keep that stuff from working.

This video is interesting, but is not comprehensive. My point in my post is that if you do not want to be tracked then don't get on the internet or become a "front" person for any group that is challenging the system. I was personally followed and bugged / tapped back in the 90's. My mouth was big enough back then to garner certain interests as I spoke of this stuff on a large radio station when they were still denying black helicopter's harassing people, CFR and Bilderburger activities as well as the psy ops of Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge, Waco, and OK city bombing.

You cannot hide on the internet, it's an American military system and they control it.

-9DB6YSaoto

[Unified Serenity]

I really don't know how all this techy stuff works, but I trusted my friend in the Army. This is something I just dug up and it may pertain to this unique id on your computer. A techy person here can explain it I'm sure.

He may have been referring the the GUID or Globally Unique Identifier number on each computer. This article has some info on it:

This example provides an application-defined function that opens a private queue based on the local computer using its computer identifier and a queue number provided by the caller.

The caller can obtain the queue number from the names of the LQS files stored in the Lqs folder (the Lqs folder is created when MSMQ is installed) on the computer. The queue number is the first part of the name of each file.

The following procedure shows how the function opens the queue based on the information provided by the caller.
To open a queue using a computer identifier and queue number

Define the maximum number of properties to be specified, property counter and the MQQMPROPS (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms706059(v=vs.85).aspx) structure. In this example the computer identifier property is the only property specified.
Specify the PROPID_QM_MACHINE_ID (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms701453(v=vs.85).aspx) computer property
Initialize the MQQMPROPS structure.
Call MQGetMachineProperties (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms700245(v=vs.85).aspx) to retrieve the globally unique identifier (GUID) of the computer. The following code example retrieves the GUID of the local computer.
Construct a private format name for the queue using the computer GUID returned by MQGetMachineProperties and the provided queue number. (This example uses the RPC function UuidToString to construct the format of the private queue.)

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms701881(v=vs.85).aspx

[Chester]

Sirius, I think this thread does largely make that point ~ that occult knowledge and practice is not solely the preserve of the Illuminati, and that in any case, by no means all Illuminati groups are "Illuminaughtys".

David Wilcock is at fault, though, in this area. He has said that the aim of the Illuminati is to get us all worshipping Lucifer, as if that would automatically turn us into Devil worshippers. As I said in my article Rehabilitating Lucifer (http://ishtarsgate.wordpress.com/2012/04/15/rehabilitating-lucifer/)

"Just because that cabal of selfish evil people worships Lucifer, it doesn't make Lucifer evil any more than that cabal of selfish evil people in the Vatican worshipping Jesus makes Jesus evil."

This is why I love Avalon... This is an excellent article by Ishtar - I wished I had known of it earlier. Thank You Ishtar

[Chester]

Frankly, after Sunday night's performance, I'm amazed that anyone on here still sees him as a credible leader of a new age movement. He threatened to send the White Dragon assassins to members here over the issue of totally legitimate research and due diligence! (Sorry, I'm not usually given to exclamation marks, but Come On!!!!).

Never mind, Dennis, that what we said could have got him killed (and I agree with US that that is a nonsensical argument, for the reasons she gave). Drake actually threatened to have us brutally murdered by people who tear their opponents limb from limb, as he helpfully told us in that broadcast. How well does that sit with a movement that is about bringing more peace and love to this Earth? He says one thing, but does another. He talks of firing squads and guillotines in the same breath as he talks of peaceful and sustainable local communities. He talks the talk, but he doesn't walk the walk. He's not walking a line that runs straight and true. He's not in truth.

Over the gate at Delphi, where the ancient Greeks would go to consult with the Oracle, there was a sign that said Know Thyself.

Know Thyself is the most important and fundamental building block of the spiritual path ... without it, the whole path crumbles because it cannot run straight and true.

Drake doesn't know himself, and that's what makes him so dangerous.

So I don't want this issue of Drake's threat to be swept under the carpet.

I WOULD LIKE DRAKE TO MAKE A FORMAL APOLOGY FOR THREATENING TO HAVE PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM MURDERED BY THE WHITE DRAGONS, WHO HE PREVIOUSLY CLAIMED TO HAVE NO ASSOCIATION WITH. IF I DON'T RECEIVE ONE, I WILL BE INFORMING THE POLICE SO THAT IF ANYTHING HAPPENS TO ME OR ANY OF MY FRIENDS ON HERE, OR ANYWHERE, THEY WILL KNOW WHO TO ARREST.

As many may know from my posts, I have been a Drake drum beater - I have made lengthy posts that demonstrate my position (one time flip flopping to the "change of heart" against Drake position). I may be wrong, but there are perhaps some posters here that have valued my input. It is for them I feel obligated to write the following.

This post by Ishtar along with Vivek's post # 1151 in the Drake Updates thread -
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more&p=485299&viewfull=1#post485299
along with the recent reaction by Drake to Vivek's thread (with clear threats to Vivek) have once again caused me to change my heart about supporting Drake and the Plan. I will add that it is not just a change of heart but a change of mind as well.

I have one excuse for beating the Drake drum and I hope this can give some perspective. My father committed suicide (or was suicided) in 1979 when I was 21. Since that time I have accumulated a great deal of circumstantial evidence (emphasizing circumstantial) that he was a soldier for cabalistic forces and I will leave it at that. Thus I have to admit I am likely polarized a bit and hope that folks here would understand and give me a pass there.

I will add that I have continued to research the content of Houman's thread which has allowed me to understand that I have likely been under the influence of non-earthly malevolent beings which through this realization, I have been able to take back at least some of my soul.

Each day new light is shed on the whole matter and so I have always been honest in my views and feelings. I am now thinking more with my head and not just my heart. A heart that has wounds which could be responsible for my "hopes" that something would take down these cabal forces.

It is now clear that if the plan is real and the folks behind the plan have the same type of mind set as the spokesman showed, then I am no longer comfortable with the plan. I promised in my thread "Change of Heart" that I would not change my position of support and belief in the plan. Clearly, I am foolish to have made (and make now) any such promises.

justone

[ThePythonicCow]

He may have been referring the the GUID or Globally Unique Identifier number on each computer.

Yes, GUID's (aka UUID's for Universally Unique IDentifier's) are assigned for a variety of reasons, by software, to uniquely identify computer generated objects such as files, disk partitions, database records, computer game assets, ... and on and on. All modern major operating systems, include Windows, Linux and MacOS, have a variety of programs using these ID's. See also here (http://betterexplained.com/articles/the-quick-guide-to-guids/), here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universally_unique_identifier), and here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globally_unique_identifier).

[Dennis Leahy]

... I am no longer comfortable with the plan....

justone
Do bear in mind that you and I and each of us here don't really know what "The Plan" is. It seems unwise to declare support or lack of support for a plan that we are not privy to. Several here have made the mistake (and have repeated it), of saying that this plan has been compromised by not being 100% secret. The plan is secret - we've only been told that a plan exists.

What we have been told is the intended outcome of the plan: arrests of the malevolent, sociopathic bastards that gained complete control of the US government and/or are banking or nefarious corporate overlords (and possible international arrests as well.) The fact that any of us could - even for a moment - consider that objective as something that we might not support is... what's the right word... insane?

If you have negative or conflicted feelings about the spokesperson that was tasked with letting the public know that a plan exists, and is going to be implemented, and not to freak-out when you see officials being arrested...but then that spokesperson dilutes that HUGE and extremely important message with personal reflections, personal opinions, and even a coffee recipe, I completely understand that (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more&p=486456&viewfull=1#post486456).

This plan will either come to fruition, or it won't, and it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with your feelings about Drake (good, bad, or indifferent), and has nothing whatsoever to do with your level of belief that such a plan exists or could work. If the plan is real, and an attempt is made to take the plan into action, you will have been informed what is going on, you will be less likely to freak-out, and you may be able to share your understanding with others who are freaking out.

The sooner that Drake turns off his microphone, the better. This Plan isn't Drake and Drake isn't this plan - and the water gets muddier and muddier the longer Drake talks.

Dennis

p.s. Anyone who doesn't realize that the economy of the world - with a $700 TRILLION dollar derivatives bubble hanging over out heads (dwarfing the 2008 manufactured economic "crisis") - is reason to fill your pantry and grow a garden has to turn-in their "Awake & Aware" membership card and decoder ring. May I recommend that you take some personal responsibility, for yourself and for those you take care of (if any), and prepare for at least a large economic event? Eight months from now (the 'dead of winter' for the northern part of the northern hemisphere), your kids will not care if you stocked up because you believed Drake or because you believed Mayans, or because you believed Max Keiser - they'll just be happy that you stored up a bunch of food and that you grew a big garden and canned a lot.

[gripreaper]

May I recommend that you take some personal responsibility, for yourself and for those you take care of (if any), and prepare for at least a large economic event? Eight months from now (the 'dead of winter' for the northern part of the northern hemisphere), your kids will not care if you stocked up because you believed Drake or because you believed Mayans, or because you believed Max Keiser - they'll just be happy that you stored up a bunch of food and that you grew a big garden and canned a lot.

There ya go again Dennis, taking esoteric, unprovable scenario's and bringing us back to the practical reality of our physical existences. You know, storing up food and supplies is not near as sexy as planting nuclear submarines as land darts, motherships rescuing us from oblivion, and mass arrests of all the bad guys with a global jubilee and prosperity for all, to follow.

Now, if I take what your saying to heart, I'm going to have to spend less time as a keyboard warrior and more time outside getting my hands dirty. That means I should probably clip my fingernails too.

Oh, such dilemmas!

[Chester]

Hi Dennis – I love ya bro and I really wish the PTB would be outa here… but dude I think we may have let our hopes cloud our discernment – anyways…

Its not about Drake – Drake is a reflection of those who asked him to be the spokesman. So its about the planners and their plan which we do know enough about – it is the arrest of hundreds if not thousands of folks around the world but mostly in the US and this has been stated by the spokesman.

So, if there is a real plan that has been put together by a group or real and capable individuals all over the world, that they currently retain Drake as the spokesman then, based on how he handled Vivek’s thread I now have significant concerns.

Laterally to my readjusted opinion is the concern I have regarding the archontic forces. It has been raised by a significant number of researchers that one of their entry points into the consciousness of an individual is through that individual’s susceptibility to a messianic complex. Vivek was able to convincingly bring forth numerous examples of statements and writings by Drake that any reasonable person would raise an eyebrow to. The fact that it is possible human beings involved with the cabal may have also picked up on this potential characteristic of Drake and/or Drake’s insider contacts and that this is all nothing but a big fat setup (to give the excuse for martial law) scares the hell out of me to be very honest. In fact, when I hear how those arrested would be treated tells me the new boss will be no different than the old boss and guess what happens in that case? The archontic forces win again and perhaps the whole potential charade is the straw that breaks the camel’s back and the troops we will see in the streets are actually and indeed minions of the cabal… and all us Plan believers would be giving disinfo to our loved ones instead… great!

I am not saying this is the case as not only do I not know, but none of us know. But it would be absolutely no surprise to anyone if it turned out to be nothing but a setup, regardless of Drake’s heart as I have no doubt he 100% believes in all this.

The more I step back and see Wilcock for example in his latest blog entry – starting right out saying how all these benevolent ETs are causing all sorts of havoc to the cabal – titles his latest entry - ETs defeating old world order – and then you read it –

“Divine Intervention is now taking place on a dramatic, unprecedented basis -- worldwide.
This is causing a complete, systematic failure of the war machine on every level.
Guns will not fire. Radio and satellite communications systems are breaking down -- right when they are needed most. Airplanes and tanks will not start. Bombs will not deploy.
Even more surprisingly, dozens of underground bases have now been completely emptied out -- beginning on August 23, 2011.”

And yet there’s not one single source anyone can go to to verify even one of these events he states as fact unless it is someone like Bill Wood or Ben or perhaps Drake. Where is one single independently verifiable fact of one single occurrence amongst all the purported occurrences stated above?

I may be wrong and there may be others who verify even one of these events but I have yet to come across that source. So think about it… how hard would it be to set up a handful of YES, good hearted and well intentioned folks, but still just a handful and of the personality type susceptible to the savior complex?

And knowing what mind control can do to someone (and mind control is not solely relegated to being performed by just other human beings), and knowing what I have been through and how unstable I have been in my life (and knowing that I am like a brand new sober alcoholic with a long way to go before I actually stabilize), it is not a far reach to consider these 4 guys may be under similar influences. How uncomfortable am I that this is possible? Especially when due diligence from Vivek and others has brought forth plenty of food for thought along those lines?

Is it worth it to roll the dice that this Plan, real or not, is not possibly a setup? Here we are… beating the drum of change, but really… are these folks, if Drake is an example, who we want taking over? The talk of executions, etc. Ridiculous. I am sorry, but the last several days starting with how Vivek’s thread was handled and the fact there has been no apology and the fact that lives were threatened – I am sorry – no way I can support this – You think the so called positive ETs support the way this was handled? If so, they ain’t positive ETs in my book, they are the s.o.s. and we are all being set up, well… all who fall for it at least which sadly may just be enough for the PTBs to declare martial law. How would we drum beaters feel if that turned out to be the case and we were part of the reason why?

Anyways, I apologize I have flipped again, but we do have the right to change our minds when new, significant information comes about and I can assure you this last week’s new information is significant, we have the right to change our mind.

Now I am going back to Houman’s Horus-Ra thread and see if I can learn more about what I can do to help myself – a self that has clearly been opened up to these non earthly forces so perhaps I can clean up enough to be of actual good to others.

[the_vast_mystery]

...Let me inform you all of some techno facts. Your computer has a very individual code...

Unified Serenity, that's true, but everytime you switch your computer off (ie full shutdown), your I.P. address is reset - ask anyone in I.T. ... except..EDIT (they don't usually volunteer the info, re "how" ;) and is better explained by Paul, please refer to his post below (plus a load of software out there that can mask your ID if you so choose). ;)

Being an actual programmer, let me begin by saying that if you think IP addresses alone are what allows one to track a computer, then you are quite silly. Every network card on the planet has a unique MAC address that identifies it. No two are alike and MAC addresses are necessary to even retrieve an IP from your ISP. All it takes is for one program to open a connection between your computer and another for it to retrieve your MAC address. But beyond that? If you get infected with a Trojan it can also grab things like your individual CPU ID. What you may not know is the hardware on your machine often comes with unique IDs or serial numbers that can be retrieved by a virus and therefore used to easily uniquely identify a machine. There ultimately is no 100% secure way to guard against this which is why any hacker worth their salt will never do any illicit work on a PC/laptop that was not meant to be disposable immediately after their current project or projects are completed.

Now you can mask yourself by securing your workstation and using an anonymity service like Tor, as well as never opening any strange files. But still that doesn't change that even Tor can have points of failure. China for instance is currently in a covert campaign to destroy Tor's ability to break through the great firewall. So yes, if you were to go public and you were seriously doing it on an issue where many black ops wanted you dead you would not give anything resembling your real name, you would use a voice scrambler, and you would never make any direct posting to the internet that could be identified and traced to you. You would post through surrogates and speak on radio programs exclusively. (Yet Drake even posted on David Wilcock's comment boards. All one would need to possibly do would be to compromise his website and fetch the IP logs to see if that might trace back to Drake.) Which given his past unseriousness in his remarks I seriously doubt the man knows much about computer security.

[TargeT]

Unified is probably speaking mostly of the MAC (Media Access Control http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address) address, an address that is hardcoded into your NIC (network interface card), MAC addresses CAN be "spoofed" but 99% of the population won't know how to do this & you would have to bounce through various proxies to hide your source IP address as well (which can be traced with enough effort).

Tracking someone on the internet is mostly done via a variaty of methods, IP and MAC being primarily the metrics used. The IP address alone can tell a LOT about who you are, and most ISP’s keep extensive records (not intended for spying, just for us IT geeks to better understand traffic patterns and troubleshoot with) of IP useage and sites visted.

I’ve been a network engineer and am now a system admin for the government, been doing it for 14 years now & am very well versed in this topic.

Lots of chatter on this topic, it's pretty cut and dry in reality:

You can be tracked (even if you think you know how to avoid it), it is VERY difficult & not done often.


I will say this however, it is NOT EASY to do this, you have to get the cooperation of ISP’s or have the ability to use backdoors to “steal” this info (not impossible, but not very easy either). This requires serious resource commitment and will not be done very often (if at all) so don’t worry too much about this in your every day life, however if you draw the focus of an agiency then your recent history on the internet can be theirs if they are determined enough.

[9eagle9]

Not to mention many of us were preparing well before Drake bade us too.




May I recommend that you take some personal responsibility, for yourself and for those you take care of (if any), and prepare for at least a large economic event? Eight months from now (the 'dead of winter' for the northern part of the northern hemisphere), your kids will not care if you stocked up because you believed Drake or because you believed Mayans, or because you believed Max Keiser - they'll just be happy that you stored up a bunch of food and that you grew a big garden and canned a lot.

There ya go again Dennis, taking esoteric, unprovable scenario's and bringing us back to the practical reality of our physical existences. You know, storing up food and supplies is not near as sexy as planting nuclear submarines as land darts, motherships rescuing us from oblivion, and mass arrests of all the bad guys with a global jubilee and prosperity for all, to follow.

Now, if I take what your saying to heart, I'm going to have to spend less time as a keyboard warrior and more time outside getting my hands dirty. That means I should probably clip my fingernails too.

Oh, such dilemmas!

[9eagle9]

Those armed among us please go test your weapons.





Hi Dennis – I love ya bro and I really wish the PTB would be outa here… but dude I think we may have let our hopes cloud our discernment – anyways…

Its not about Drake – Drake is a reflection of those who asked him to be the spokesman. So its about the planners and their plan which we do know enough about – it is the arrest of hundreds if not thousands of folks around the world but mostly in the US and this has been stated by the spokesman.

So, if there is a real plan that has been put together by a group or real and capable individuals all over the world, that they currently retain Drake as the spokesman then, based on how he handled Vivek’s thread I now have significant concerns.

Laterally to my readjusted opinion is the concern I have regarding the archontic forces. It has been raised by a significant number of researchers that one of their entry points into the consciousness of an individual is through that individual’s susceptibility to a messianic complex. Vivek was able to convincingly bring forth numerous examples of statements and writings by Drake that any reasonable person would raise an eyebrow to. The fact that it is possible human beings involved with the cabal may have also picked up on this potential characteristic of Drake and/or Drake’s insider contacts and that this is all nothing but a big fat setup (to give the excuse for martial law) scares the hell out of me to be very honest. In fact, when I hear how those arrested would be treated tells me the new boss will be no different than the old boss and guess what happens in that case? The archontic forces win again and perhaps the whole potential charade is the straw that breaks the camel’s back and the troops we will see in the streets are actually and indeed minions of the cabal… and all us Plan believers would be giving disinfo to our loved ones instead… great!

I am not saying this is the case as not only do I not know, but none of us know. But it would be absolutely no surprise to anyone if it turned out to be nothing but a setup, regardless of Drake’s heart as I have no doubt he 100% believes in all this.

The more I step back and see Wilcock for example in his latest blog entry – starting right out saying how all these benevolent ETs are causing all sorts of havoc to the cabal – titles his latest entry - ETs defeating old world order – and then you read it –

“Divine Intervention is now taking place on a dramatic, unprecedented basis -- worldwide.
This is causing a complete, systematic failure of the war machine on every level.
Guns will not fire. Radio and satellite communications systems are breaking down -- right when they are needed most. Airplanes and tanks will not start. Bombs will not deploy.
Even more surprisingly, dozens of underground bases have now been completely emptied out -- beginning on August 23, 2011.”

And yet there’s not one single source anyone can go to to verify even one of these events he states as fact unless it is someone like Bill Wood or Ben or perhaps Drake. Where is one single independently verifiable fact of one single occurrence amongst all the purported occurrences stated above?

I may be wrong and there may be others who verify even one of these events but I have yet to come across that source. So think about it… how hard would it be to set up a handful of YES, good hearted and well intentioned folks, but still just a handful and of the personality type susceptible to the savior complex?

And knowing what mind control can do to someone (and mind control is not solely relegated to being performed by just other human beings), and knowing what I have been through and how unstable I have been in my life (and knowing that I am like a brand new sober alcoholic with a long way to go before I actually stabilize), it is not a far reach to consider these 4 guys may be under similar influences. How comfortable am I that this is possible? Especially when due diligence from Vivek and others has brought forth plenty of food for thought along those lines?

Is it worth it to roll the dice that this Plan, real or not, is not possibly a setup? Here we are… beating the drum of change, but really… are these folks, if Drake is an example, who we want taking over? The talk of executions, etc. Ridiculous. I am sorry, but the last several days starting with how Vivek’s thread was handled and the fact there has been no apology and the fact that lives were threatened – I am sorry – no way I can support this – You think the so called positive ETs support the way this was handled? If so, they ain’t positive ETs in my book, they are the s.o.s. and we are all being set up, well… all who fall for it at least which sadly may just be enough for the PTBs to declare martial law. How would we drum beaters feel if that turned out to be the case and we were part of the reason why?

Anyways, I apologize I have flipped again, but we do have the right to change our minds when new, significant information comes about and I can assure you this last week’s new information is significant, we have the right to change our mind.

Now I am going back to Houman’s Horus-Ra thread and see if I can learn more about what I can do to help myself – a self that has clearly been opened up to these non earthly forces so perhaps I can clean up enough to be of actual good to others.

[KiwiElf]

@ Unified Serenity, TargeT, Paul, The Vast Mystery - thankyou for expanding on this ... urr complex topic (even my IT mates are blinking at some of this info - incl the one who "fixed" my puter! :D
I very much doubt if most computer users would know about this at all? Would make a really valuable separate thread? ;)
From a [Silly] KiwiElf ->:o

[the_vast_mystery]

So reading Cobra's latest blog posts about Archons leads me to feel a dire need to put forth a theory for everyone to consider. Going back over The Law of One material Ra states that many times there will be mixed contact between Confederation and Orion entities bidding for the same person and that this is why the Confederation always welcomes questions during contact. (To aid in discerning the nature of the contact.) I think it's very likely this is what we're witnessing right now. It could be that the reason things appear in such disarray is because right now there still are some dark entities (Archons) in existence and they are attempting in their last hours to try and sway anyone who would otherwise be a positive force to spread fear and chaos. It could be this is why Drake has behaved the way he did, at first he was questionable in using certain violent phrases in his language, but later his behavior fell right off a cliff and into dark territory.

One thing I firmly refuse to believe in is that there are only negative entities, and that there are no benevolent (ETs/Eds/whatever you want to call them), I'm also sure these Archons as a force must exist as well in some form. The world is too diverse for us to get caught in thinking about these beings in black and white terms. If anything human history should teach us just how diverse the views of such entities may in fact be. So given those two things what would the Archon's best tactic be to fight off any positive external forces? Easy! Pretend to be them! It could be this is why many are lately offering real warnings about the GFOL channels. Since it could be right now there is a very real and very powerful operation in place by these entities to try and subvert as many channels as possible to feed their agenda. This does not mean the GFOL does not exist, but it also doesn't mean that there might not be an AI or some negative being pretending to be the GFOL to advise people to do bad things.

Ever since yesterday I got a sudden surge of positive energy and my insights are starting to, twitch. I don't know what it means but I think something serious is going on or about to occur but I'm not quite sure what or where. (If it's even something that'll happen in the physical world. I've never really been able to fully understand how to read my own intuition and process it into logically sound information the physical mind can understand.) Please keep in mind, the above is only a rough attempt at explaining a feeling I'm getting, it may be entirely incorrect but I'd welcome anyone to comment and see where it might take us. We all need to have a firm grasp on what's going on.

[Pete]

this should be of interest

http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2012/05/11/freedom-reigns-5-6-12111/

[TargeT]

@ Unified Serenity, TargeT, Paul, The Vast Mystery - thankyou for expanding on this ... urr complex topic (even my IT mates are blinking at some of this info - incl the one who "fixed" my puter! :D
I very much doubt if most computer users would know about this at all? Would make a really valuable separate thread? ;)
From a [Silly] KiwiElf ->:o


for those truely interested there are enough keywords to search in the various posts to self educate, its a complex topic and rather boring to most people, I think the simple summaries provided are clear enough:

You can be tracked

Multiple items are used (to include even your typing style and typical hours of usage... computer forensics boarders on phsycological profiling at times)

You can make it harder to be traced, but not impossible (a determined, skilled individual (which is a tough to find combination) CAN find you, the internet was not designed with security in mind)

being "tracked" is a very very rare thing due to the high resource requirement (personal, equipment and time) & you should not even register this as a "worry" (for most people).

I know this is a popular topic for parinoid thoughts, but really it is hardly ever done, even by the orginization I work for (military).

of course, this is all based on my knowledge and experience, I no longer work totaly in the classified world so there may be things I am un aware of (I've never been "black ops" or "special forces" for example, but I've worked with them enough to know that they don't seem to get toys that are unbelievably cool, just cool ;) haha )

of course, this is all pretty close to off topic & I hate to distract from the great research that spawned this thread.

[Chester]

So reading Cobra's latest blog posts about Archons leads me to feel a dire need to put forth a theory for everyone to consider. Going back over The Law of One material Ra states that many times there will be mixed contact between Confederation and Orion entities bidding for the same person and that this is why the Confederation always welcomes questions during contact. (To aid in discerning the nature of the contact.) I think it's very likely this is what we're witnessing right now. It could be that the reason things appear in such disarray is because right now there still are some dark entities (Archons) in existence and they are attempting in their last hours to try and sway anyone who would otherwise be a positive force to spread fear and chaos. It could be this is why Drake has behaved the way he did, at first he was questionable in using certain violent phrases in his language, but later his behavior fell right off a cliff and into dark territory.

One thing I firmly refuse to believe in is that there are only negative entities, and that there are no benevolent (ETs/Eds/whatever you want to call them), I'm also sure these Archons as a force must exist as well in some form. The world is too diverse for us to get caught in thinking about these beings in black and white terms. If anything human history should teach us just how diverse the views of such entities may in fact be. So given those two things what would the Archon's best tactic be to fight off any positive external forces? Easy! Pretend to be them! It could be this is why many are lately offering real warnings about the GFOL channels. Since it could be right now there is a very real and very powerful operation in place by these entities to try and subvert as many channels as possible to feed their agenda. This does not mean the GFOL does not exist, but it also doesn't mean that there might not be an AI or some negative being pretending to be the GFOL to advise people to do bad things.

Ever since yesterday I got a sudden surge of positive energy and my insights are starting to, twitch. I don't know what it means but I think something serious is going on or about to occur but I'm not quite sure what or where. (If it's even something that'll happen in the physical world. I've never really been able to fully understand how to read my own intuition and process it into logically sound information the physical mind can understand.) Please keep in mind, the above is only a rough attempt at explaining a feeling I'm getting, it may be entirely incorrect but I'd welcome anyone to comment and see where it might take us. We all need to have a firm grasp on what's going on.

Just when I flip flopped for the 2nd time ... I discover this thread started 2 days ago - in it is an independent validation of sorts of both a.) Drake and b.) Positive ET intervention
and this source seems to be unofficially approved by some of the more level headed folks here on Avalon -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44953-PSCINET-Updates&p=485259&highlight=pscinet#post485259

I need to stop posting and just keep up with the info flow...

EDIT: - seems some folks on Avalon with military background suggest known man made weaponry could be causing the sicknesses associated with the F-22 - so perhaps not "divine intervention"

[KiwiElf]

Justoneman, simply stay open to all of the possibilities, they are all valid - each is a piece of a vast jigsaw puzzle ;)

[Dennis Leahy]

Just when I flip flopped for the 2nd time...

...

I need to stop posting and just keep up with the info flow...
As new data come in, and as you process data, your mind should change. That (to me) is having an open, flexible mind. If your integrity flip flops, well, that ain't good, but do stay flexible with your mind. I have a hunch that the incoming data stream (not just about these Drake-related issues) is going to go from a drip drip drip to a raging torrent. I think flexibility will be an essential quality. :~)

Dennis

[Pete]

Just feel the need to pin my colours to the mast here, I have been following the rising tide of news coming in and I have listened to Drake and the nay sayers and in my opinion I believe that this is going down now.

I feel the time to debate this subject is coming to an end and that events are about to overtake the B/S. The time to put up or shut up is here.

I just want to say I have enjoyed my time here on Avalon, I hope you all get what you truly desire and i hope to meet you all when this wonderful process comes to its natural conclusion.

Step out of the fear and enjoy the ride my friends

[jackovesk]

Just feel the need to pin my colours to the mast here, I have been following the rising tide of news coming in and I have listened to Drake and the nay sayers and in my opinion I believe that this is going down now.

I feel the time to debate this subject is coming to an end and that events are about to overtake the B/S. The time to put up or shut up is here.

I just want to say I have enjoyed my time here on Avalon, I hope you all get what you truly desire and i hope to meet you all when this wonderful process comes to its natural conclusion.

Step out of the fear and enjoy the ride my friends


The time to put up or shut up is here.

OK then...:)


I don't believe a word of what Drake has to say...
I think he's creating false hope
The Rabbit Hole is way too deep, to try and pluck all the Evil Rabbits out of it now


Fantastical, Fantasmical, Faroutisical, Forfukstical, Fictionalised Fargging :bs:

The Drake Fans would know the words to this one...

Come along and sing it with me...

All (Together) now :cantina:


You better watch out
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Santa Claus is coming to town
He's making a list
And checking it twice;
Gonna find out Who's naughty and nice
Santa Claus is coming to town
He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake!
O! You better watch out!
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town

http://zwalcznude.pl/upload/stories/gallery_359/t100_12932698464d15bb56b7f19.jpg


Yep, literally Centuries of Occult Cabal Rule and its all going come crashing down because Drake said so...:pound:


Step out of the fear and enjoy the ride my friends

It seems the Fear lies with you my friend, especially if Drake's Plan does'nt eventuate...:yes4:

Myself, Fortunately &/or Unfortunately I live in the (Real World) where I get to use 'Discernment' on a daily basis...

PS - One thing I do know for sure, if the system and all those 'Evil Doers' are brought to justice and the Pyramid does start to crumble. Neither You or I are going to hear about 'How its All Going to Go Down' beforehand...:nono:

PSS - Believe it or Not, I am an 'Optimest' and I will leave you with this simple phrase...

"I'll Believe It When I See It"...:)

[9eagle9]

Then make sure you keep in mind the remarks contained within this thread . Aliens masquerading as ET's and why.

ED's masquerading as spirit guides and why.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44935-The-Real-Story-Behind-Aliens_-Ufos_-Demons_-Illuminati-Satanism&p=486763#post486763

Choose your benevolent ET's as you would your bosom friends and consider that a friend doesn't stand by for thousands of years watching your own destruction, and the parasitical theft of one's psyche without doing something. Or allowing another to stick a probe up your arse. Or making promises for decades on end without delivering. Or allowing a variety of mind based precepts and 'natural laws' to stand honored while you suffer. "Oh so sorry Pal, Love you so much, ya know, and I know your hair is on fire but I can't intervene because of the rules of non interference."

What kind of friend is that. If that was a real living person, who claimed to have your best interests at heart, we'd think a person like that was a bloody arsehole. Yet we make excuses of this nature for entities we've never even encountered and have no personal relationship with! Another symptom of the straight jacket of co-dependency one has with authority. Another symptom of just how valueless we perceive ourselves to be.

A determined ET who has your best interests at heart, would put your hair out. Many times they may not be able to because you step aside from the bucket of water being dashed in your face to find a book, a guru, a hero that will give you information about how to put the fire in your head out.

There are ultra dimensional beings who are not of the archonic persuasion only by the virtue of the opposing value, they do not want to be your ruler. You cannot give or impose form on that which is formless, they will not allow it. You create a space for them to fill. Information takes up the space they would otherwise fill.

Dennis said it best even though he has no idea what he is revealing or the implications of it. Archonic energies have one great and obvious blaring piece of evidence. They are made obvious through the people they leverage: their language and their behaviors. Archonic energies rely on information, particuarly the language that is used. We've been slowly altered over the course of thousands of years, and more recently over the last 70 years, to accept information rather than evidence or knowing.

Dennis promises more information will be revealed, a raging torrent of it. That will happen its simply part of a pattern that has occured with the rise of media. That will be the height of the attack. There is a reason we have the phrase info-wars. It means what it means though, there will be a rising torrent of information, not necessarily that anything is happening or changing save for the volume of information.

Archonic energies do not have the ability to create (which is what this whole war is over in the first place) so can only do the same thing over and over again but ONLY as long as we allow ourselves to be seduced into that pattern of craving information.

A mind filled with information is not an open mind. It's a closed confused mind that is preoccupied trying to sort out the contradictions of the information given--delibarel planted information so one really becomes involved in a psychological tennis match. . A raging torrent is meant to overwhelm a already confused mind. And what does one get exactly? More information. That's it. it's not 'knowing' or knowledge or change in circumstances--- its information. A series of literally psychic advertisements much like what one hears or observes on TV so you are left pondering constantly is Dawn really better than Gain. Will I see a difference if I use Arm & Hammer rather than Tide? Will my teeth be whiter in 30 days? This is why people buy the same products over and over even though they don't do what their information promises. People have been duped into thinking a frenzy of information is evidence of change.

This is how archonic energies is given space within our minds. That is who we hold the space for them--information. Ideas, thoughts, beliefs. It creates not a space but a holding pattern in which the same things occur over and over and over. We have observed this for at least two thousands years. This is how one is held by the virtue of craving more information rather than knowing or actual change (intervention).

There is a pattern here that one can observe for themselves as evidence. It keeps happening over and over. Once you know that pattern you have knowing of what is really occurring.

The more they can keep your mind tied up where they want it by information dumping, and keeping one on the edge of their seat waiting for new information. That is how you are held. That is how is how they always operated. This provide it's own evidence. You look back over just the last few years and every few months there's a new flavor of the month hero , information dumping, making new promises, promising new information ---when the evidence is emerging for one to observe right in front of their nose.

Predictions are based from archonic influence, one does not predict divine intervention (knowing the mind of god).

Now, take this and weigh it against the accounts of those who have experienced divine intervention. Always instant, never with fore-knowledge, a seeming 'miracle' occurs. Divine intervention doesn't send a telegram or a messenger that says "Oh the traffic on I 75 is horrible and you will be in a life threatening accident, but don't worry I have everything under control and will save you by making sure the tractor trailer that is going to smash your body experiences 18 flat tires at the same time."

Intervention is NOT a promise, or information. Intervention is obvious. David Wilcocks says that guns are not firing and bullets won't work.

So now I have a meter in which to test the accuracy of David's INFORMATION. Information does not keep a bullet from firing no more than information is going to do anything but keep the clueless in yet another relentless holding pattern.

WHEN the information has begun to run its loop or predicted date the archonic energies only change the information. That is why one will begin to see more alt media about the utter meaninglessness of 12-21-12--and opportunity to advance the date into the future and begin plying in more information around it. A reset button for more information dumping, another eon of holding pattern is essentially being revealed here. That's not change, only the nature of the information will change, the holding pattern (enslavement) remains the same.





Justoneman, simply stay open to all of the possibilities, they are all valid - each is a piece of a vast jigsaw puzzle ;)

[Ishtar]

Some have taken a pill of red
Some have taken a pill of blue
Some have taken all the pills
And flushed them down the loo!

http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=305&d=1336821790

[Chester]

Choose your benevolent ET's as you would your bosom friends and consider that a friend doesn't stand by for thousands of years watching your own destruction, and the parasitical theft of one's psyche without doing something. Or allowing another to stick a probe up your arse. Or making promises for decades on end without delivering. Or allowing a variety of mind based precepts and 'natural laws' to stand honored while you suffer. "Oh so sorry Pal, Love you so much, ya know, and I know your hair is on fire but I can't intervene because of the rules of non interference."


This is what raised a big red flag with me - David Wilcock said that the "good" ETs did not want to reveal themselves because we needed to be able to change for the better all on our own - that if the good ETs came here and said, Hey, we are here to help you and by the way, our technology is far superior to the bad guys and their bad ET friends.

And so I thought about it... and thought - weird, aren't they revealing that they are here now (according to and through David Wilcock)? Does that mean we crossed the magic line based on some outside judge that humanity (collectively) has made it over the goal line? If so then why aren't these good ETs doing some mass, obvious revelatory exposition so we don't need DWs and "insiders" telling us this?

Ahhhh... Because we still haven't reached the actual goal line yet! Duh...

ok then, is it legal to sneak the word out about the good ETs before we actually earned knowing it?

... and done so through the DWs, those who "channel" and "insiders?" Doesn't this just create the next set of prophets for the next hot off the presses religion to come forth?

Seems like setup again to me... am I starting to get a clue?

justonedelusional

[KiwiElf]

Possibly because they don't want us bowing and making them our saviours ;)

[9eagle9]

They aren't making themselves our saviors, (fails to see where anything has been saved).. people who think they are coming to save humanity are making them into saviors.

[KiwiElf]

They aren't making themselves our saviors, (fails to see where anything has been saved).. people who think they are coming to save humanity are making them into saviors.

Yeah, that's what I meant. (Besides, who would wanna land in a warzone???) ;)

Perhaps we haven't quite "passed the green light" on that one yet, but it does draw closer once we can see each other as "equals"... ;)

[Sirius White]

Sirius, I think this thread does largely make that point ~ that occult knowledge and practice is not solely the preserve of the Illuminati, and that in any case, by no means all Illuminati groups are "Illuminaughtys".

David Wilcock is at fault, though, in this area. He has said that the aim of the Illuminati is to get us all worshipping Lucifer, as if that would automatically turn us into Devil worshippers. As I said in my article Rehabilitating Lucifer (http://ishtarsgate.wordpress.com/2012/04/15/rehabilitating-lucifer/)

"Just because that cabal of selfish evil people worships Lucifer, it doesn't make Lucifer evil any more than that cabal of selfish evil people in the Vatican worshipping Jesus makes Jesus evil."

Thank you Ishtar.

Very wise.

Lucifer is also not what people think it is, and many gnostic cults have also misappropiated his properties. Some even think Lucifer is Satan, I do not agree with this one bit. In my view Satan and Lucifer are two very different enegies. Although Lucifer does play a sort of catalyst, Satan is a bit more on the extreme- in regards to being an archetype of the separation from "God" consciousness.

Most of those who claim to "Worship lucifer" are completely misguided and/or uneducated onto its mystery. Lucifer is so misunderstood its not even funny

----

Folks, the "good guys" have been intervening all along. But they do not DO THE WORK for us. They will protect us from things, oxygen content, solar flares, and other things (like balancing monoliths on moons of the solar system, among other things), so that we have a "fair chance" of succeeding, but they do NOT come down and save us. Understand this is the biggest deception played on us since the days of organized religion. You don't need a Messiah, whether it be a dude on a cloud, or aliens in spaceships!

YOU have the power of manifestation, a vector of intention far more powerful than you can imagine. So powerful the ET's "quarantuinned" our frequencies in our planet so that we could not influence the rest of the universe in a destructive way. And also those beings, who rely on us (even though they may claim to be our masters).

This "veil" is now thinning, and so things will be revealed. This is where we learn to navigate the INNER power to control, and succeed in the OUTER world. This is the key to "freedom." Not....this alien-save-us and take us to 5th dimension nonsense.

[Smell the Roses]

OK then...:)


I don't believe a word of what Drake has to say...
I think he's creating false hope
The Rabbit Hole is way too deep, to try and pluck all the Evil Rabbits out of it now




False hope is exactly what he is giving. I was shocked to see the other day that just last week he is still claiming to have this amazing influence and reach to "50+ nations" and is still claiming to be an important ambassador. I was even more shocked to see that people are still taking him seriously. I suppose it is comforting to think that someone is out there with inside info battling behind the scenes. I still believe it is wrong for him to give people false comfort.

[Mike]

this guy is a hell of a singer. i'm surprised no one has pointed it out yet:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukCyt47eIkA