Who is DRAKE: The Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon

[Jeffrey]

Where to start? … I am presenting this information in neutrality as I am currently walking the line between revelation and disillusionment. TRUTH IS ALL THAT MATTERS.



Firstly, the man’s name is Drake K. Bailey. I need no justification in order to divulge his name as he has left it plainly for all to see on many forums and he has stated it publicly on interviews in the past 5 years. He has also left his email addresses out in plain view as well, so that people could contact him and join his group(s).

There are 4-5 email addresses and a few screen names which can be found in the links provided, so I will not directly post them here. Please though, don't be a paparazzi proctologist. Call in to a show maybe, because there is a whole can of worms in this thread with questions that beg to be answered. ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO THE DRAGON COURT AND ORDER AND THE NAHASH ILLUMINATI.

I will post enough information for you to see the connections and proof therein. If you take the time to read through all of what Drake has said in the past 15 years you will find two very different personas, they are the same person though, as you will see.

There is the Vietnam veteran, also known as “ka-boom”, who served from around 1966-1968. He counsels people dealing with PTSD, he *is a member* of the Vietnam Brotherhood, and has “filled his share of body bags.”

Then there is the other side of the coin--Drake the occultist. I know that term carries negative connotations for some, but just take some time to digest this post in its entirety before you go and lose your head.

Before I dive into everything it should be noted that Drake tried to contact Benjamin Fulford on 11/30/2011:

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/2011/10/weekly-geopolitical-news-and-analysis20111024-private-trading-platforms-have-been-shut-down-in-preparation-for-new-fin.html

He also was commenting on David Wilcock’s site before the Financial Tyranny article even came out:

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/992-videooccupyyourself

Just go to the link and hit CTRL F and type in “DKBailey” for the first link, and “Freeman” for the second. You will see his comment on 11/25/2011 and 1/28/2012 respectively.

Some will say this could be someone else, but it is not.

Read on with diligence and you will recognize this man’s interests and writing style.
This part of what I have to share is mostly irrelevant considering the rest of the story…

One more thing, he’s tried to contact Jesse Ventura as well (through amazon.com of all things) on 4/23/2010:


Drake K. Bailey says:
Jesse,
We have a lot of the rest of the info you're looking for...
Been trying to contact you on this and other subjects.
Source: http://www.amazon.com/gp/forum/cd/discussion.html?ie=UTF8&cdForum=Fx3C4U6PKSUWV39&cdThread=Tx39FOCSVTM9V4

You can also view his amazon.com profile which has his verified name and the alias “Freeman.” It is here:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A2S2F7PDDJPX3O

Okay now for the more interesting things. He is a member of the RUMORMILL NEWS and OPEN FIRE Yahoo Group, and while I was reading through his different conversations I found this:


A simple application like this takes enormous individual effort and awareness to be real.
This is a concept that I teach when called to do so on Humanity Healing web site. I am an advisor/mentor there.
Being blood related to an Apache tribe, my grandfather taught me many things, as many as I could hear at that age.
Nice video...
Drake

Source: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RUMORMILLNEWS/message/59250

So I go to HumanityHealing.net, do a user search, and find his profile along with his comments and discussions.

This is from his "About Me" section on his profile page:


Still and forever a student of the unity point known as The Creator.
I am not an artist as those who put the video's together, my art is that of the ability to join the worlds of majic and reality together that others may experience the reality of The Great Spirit, up close and personal.
We are those who show The Path to others in the ancient tradition of a shaman.
I am known as The Dragon Master, White Dragon, as is stated in the old legend. I still have a few requirements to meet before the great conflict starts.
I am and have been a Rainbow Warrior for a long time.The more knowledge I find, the more now I am relieved of dealing with the more direct conflicts. This has morphed into a better relationship with Creation and allowed a greater depth to applicable understanding.
I am able to converse with all the creatures I have come across in our small woods. From insects to birds, we are friends. I provide some food and water as my small attempt to pay them back in some small portion for what other men have done to them and the woods.There is some info on my web site that explains more of what we do and are about.
Another Website that you can be visited at:

http://www.friendsofwarmmineralsprings.com

Source: http://community.humanityhealing.net/profile/DrakeBailey

On the same page we find this:


I am not sure you understand what I'm expressing here.
This is not as it seems in terms dealing with the basis of the existance of realms.
Yes, I hold several 'positions of responsibilities'. The part dealing with light and dark as such seems to escape most understanding in that this is very 'real'. To be blunt, only if 'they' can pass by me 'they' will gain access to all the rest of you...like it or not, I was given the all facing rainbow sword. It was inferred with responsibility to defend our existance against those who are the thieves of light. These are few, have limited powers, and seem to like challenging me. The challenges are on several levels, physical realm, psychic, and mental power abilities. To date, I find their best to be lacking and not in a real position to offer too much of a real challenge to me. However, the average person would find them and their actions formidable in all realms.
What you will be required to face is an overwhelming amount and quantity of your greatest fears. Accompanying this is a basic loss of orientation, understanding, and lack of the ability to apply any understanding...it is not a nice 'place'... Then there is the minor problem of dealing with being directly affronted in the way you are most vulnerable and least able to resist.
The 'seer' before the last was a little more forthcoming in that I was able to exact a general report. That person expressed that I must learn as much of all of the 'things' involved with my status as quickly as possible for my own survival. Unable to access the info I needed, I enlisted my friend The Guardian of The Gate. He protected me until I learned enough to defend myself. Since that day I have been under constant threat of these 'entities' and confronted on every level 'they' percieved that gave them any advantage. At present they are attempting to stop me from writing this...
When a 'being' of greater power is intent on disrupting your life force things get a little difficult and just plane harry!!! I am eternally grateful that I am a combat vet or I wouldn't know what to do with it all.
These are the anti-thesis to everything good that is known. They are gaining power as they can in order to put out the light. Their partners in this are due to arrive here at some time in the near future...I have no idea as to what realm, form, or time as yet.
I hope no harm comes to you if you decide to 'look' into this. Just be aware that you may not even recognise them as to what they are, so be ready to do battle or you too might not come back.
Armour of light over the silver light will protect you but only for the time it takes to escape. Be very careful and God speed.
Dragos.

I know what you're thinking.. What in the hell is going on here? What is he alluding to? Well I kept digging so don't worry, let's just keep pulling this string.

You can read through all of his discussions on the HH website here:

http://community.humanityhealing.net/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=1qkttuzgzg3iu

Okay, so there was a website he linked to on his profile page. Well, it is now inactive. No worries though, we can just plug it into the internet archives and take a peek at some snapshots to see what it was all about.

Here you go:

http://web.archive.org/web/20110207171615/http://friendsofwarmmineralsprings.com/

Explore that as much as you want, but be sure to scroll to the end of the page and look at who the webmaster is.

On this website of his we find this:


curriculum of The Royal Institute

What is this, and how does it relate to Drake? Fire up your search engines and I'll show you.

Take a look at email 99.79.8 on this page:

http://www.greatdreams.com/grace/99/99AAAAelectrons.html

You will see that Drake has given himself a name tag:


DK Bailey
L.O.R.D. Associate &
Official Spokesman
The Royal Institute

Okay, so we see he is the Official Spokesman of The Royal Institute and that he is a L.O.R.D. Associate. Let's continue persuing the first title before we get to the latter.

Here is the link explaining what The Royal Institute is about and it's materials of study:

http://web.archive.org/web/20030204101844/http://www.angelfire.com/tx5/silverdragonlamp/DKB/Introduction.html

OR

http://www.beautytruegood.co.uk/2dkbaily.htm

From this we can see Drake's intense passion for ancient mathematics, sacred geometry, gematria, pyramids, UFOs, harmonics, ascension, egypt, the occult, etc. He may as well be a member here on PA (he is not).

Let's dig a little here, before we move on.

He has been trying to recruit people to join his group whose mission it is to actualize the ancient's knowledge into a practical technology. That's what I got from it all. Feel free to browse through all of his conversations about physics here:

http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/usa-tesla/message/12626

http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=69&nav=messages&webtag=ab-physics&tid=891

Then there's this:


This is my first visit to the boards, so bear with me, and try to overlook my lack of knowledge in this area.

This post is a question, a loaded one.

I am looking for the basis and origins of several interelated items.

The SATOR-ROTAS seems to have a slanted interpretaion in the translation I found. To go along with the religeous slant, there was no explanaton of its inception other than a monk decided to draw it. That seems too arbitrary, but is this factual? Then as well, there are many old traditions that have ancient ties in similar ways, such as the example of the 'eastern star' and all that goes with it.

The main subject above is also in lattin something I know nothing about again.

However, when looking at it, there is a cross formed in the middle by the word TENET. The meaning is stated as rules or workings, is this correct? Then this devides the square into four quadrants, any info on the significances of all this?

I'll make a display so everyone can see this, but just search SATOR-ROTAS to see the source.

S A T O R A magic square, a devine one? Translation? Origins?

A R E P O This is one of the basis for bible numerology, we are looking at

T E N E T this as biblical numbers that agree with the Book.

O P E R A There are numerical squares, but they agree with the above,

R O T A S and the Book too.

Finding info is difficult enough and then someone loads what they do get with their personal beliefs. That is also our stated rule of presentations that we make. No personal items of any kind are included. Our group has so far formed a direct mathematical link between Gematria and the fine structure constant( the basis for nuclear physics).

DKBailey L.O.R.D. Associate

and this...


It would be a great assistance if you would.

To those who are curious as to this, the applications seem to be one of a glass plotting field like the military use on their ships. The second area is one of creating a 3D reality image of the resultants we have already found.

The third is to open this door, as it has been designated.

I believe we have the location of the starway that leads to this, and all that is needed now is an accurate translation to finish the work.IF anyone knows the origin of this in idealogical form please let me know.

Thank you all.

Dragos

Source: http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=ab-histmedren&tid=566

Then there's this taken from http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=69&nav=messages&webtag=ab-physics&tid=891 :


I was led to belive that there were real scientific minds involved in these board posts.

If you have any math background or general knowledge of physics you will recognise a portion of what I posted.

I am currently working actively with Jerry Luliano who is associated with Dr.Leahy. Then there are people such as Hoagland, Sitchen, and others.

Try looking at Carl Munks site. Or try this list, 82944 and the God particle, Geomusic, or biblemaths.com. All relativity, math, and ancient sites on line.

After that equate what is known from these to our present theoretical applications and you will find that the present system cannot compute reality or creation based ideas in our current mathematical comprehention. However, when looked at through the application of the ancient numbers of Gematria, computation is possible. Unity of mind and reality were what that was all about.

Yes, you do not understand, exactly that. There is a major gap between ideology and theoretical physics applications that requires a mind that is open enough to reasonably look at that which is beyond your limitation of understanding of reality and its presentation.
Dr. Colon James Hamer's site is one place you can find one reference to a partial listing of our research sites. It is called Creativity House. You will find some interesting reviews of many of the books and articles published by some of the best known researchers on the planet as well. I am in contact with many of them.

No sheep, please. The planet is full of them. I prefer those who are actively involved in teaching or research of theoretical physics and mathematics. The closer to the cutting edge the better.

We are actively seeking funding to prototype our findings. A fully functional physics lab of our specifications would be required. As to personal financial requirements, presently our group is starting out. We have a class that brings one up to speed in the knowledge to function at this level. The class needs about $150 to put it on line. The cost of the class is $63.36. We offer an advanced class on location following that. We intend to offer a news letter and membership. Members get discounts on costs.

Math of The Ancients referes to those who knew what you would see at certain archealogical sites in mathematical form, and their respective applications, intent and usages.

The reference to the trinity is one dealing with the first used number of three(3). In all its implications. To deny this is to deny your own existance, and much of the basis of the math as posted. A flat geometric does not allow for a real object or any ideas of quanta either, now does it?

A persons physicality as you know it resides in the body, and intellect alone? Then what of psychic or spiritual experiences? Beyond that, then show me how to state these things in formula with the accent on bringing these things into reality.

We have many of the mathematical proofs for thought, spirit, and reality. This is what is offered. With a proper lab they can be proved, just as the mathematics states. Send me an E and I'll send you a paper that will show you an overview of this. Feel free to post it if you want.

You state that reality is the only consideration of all who post on this site. I offer the rest of the equation that ties expressions of present physics all the way to the spiritual realm of reality.

Remember in the interview with DW, when they were talking about advanced technology? The "materializer" - this was one of the things he was trying to work on... using harmonic frequencies and such.. He talked about it briefly (and I mean only for a sentence or two) somewhere in these conversations. Feel free to click on the links and explore the dialogue.

On most of these types of physics forums his presence seemed to annoy most of the PhD holders. His stated reason for being there was that he was essentially "fishing" for people to join his team for research.

One more while we are here:


I have only one question.
As I do not know the levels any of you might have attained,it is sort of an open ended one.
Within the three level ascension, there is found the levels of psychic, demi-god, and creator.
Has anyone gained audience with the demi-gods,started their physical metamorphysis, or ascended?
Let me know.
DKB

Source: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/profiles/dkb8848-u5689.html;sa,showPosts

Okay, now I feel we can move on to the next part. What is L.O.R.D. associate?

It stands for Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon. The original Nahash Illuminati.

You have to view Drake's "The Royal Institute" page through the internet archives to make the connection:

http://web.archive.org/web/20030204101844/http://www.angelfire.com/tx5/silverdragonlamp/DKB/Introduction.html

Now, scroll down to the bottom of the page. Next, click the "Assorted Equations for Initiates" link under GEOMUSIC ARTICLES AND DIAGRAMS.

You should be at this page now (this next quote was not made by Drake, nor was it taken directly from his website, it is from a link on a website of his): http://web.archive.org/web/20030212184230/http://members.aol.com/johnkeely/ae.html

Scroll to the bottom again and you will find this:


These will be comprehensive to the initiates of the Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon (the original Nahash Illuminati) obviously anyone stumbling upon these serious meaningful equations will need the backround info of The Code Of The Ancients...

Drake means Dragon, and as I've previously stated in another thread, there are no coincidences.

This is only part one, which is just THE FACTS.

Everything is not as it seems with Drake, I will say that much.

Please, put down the popcorn and DIG into the information I have presented here before you click reply and tell me that Drake has said that people post under his name yata yata yata.

I will leave you with this...

Posted by Drake on Humanity Healing in 2008:


I am, and have been a Rainbow Warrior most of my life. As such I am the defender few experience and fewer 'see'. I am the one standing between those who misuse their powers that visit the innocent in dreams. I was commissioned through ceremony, recomended by the lesser gods to the greater gods, and given great understandings, those beyond most comprehension.As such I will stand my post to be called when needed.
Because of this I am attempting to offer information to be heralded through-out mankind, that man might once again be free to enjoy peace.
Due to my position I have been very busy in efforts to start a world wide peace process involving Iraq and the middle east. The opening of dialog with all our fellow earthlings is just the beginning. There is a great deal more to come. I am a licensed counselor of a different sort. I do not get into a persons head. Rather I give them the tools needed for them to heal themselves. My primary areas are P.T.S.D. for veterans and families in distress. My system works on any kind of stress from any source.
I hope this clearifies what is presented here.
I have been given permission to illucidate on being a light being.This will be a part of my final posting for these purposes.

I really could have bolded that whole quote.

Here's the last one I'll share and then y'all are going to have to read the rest for yourselves:


Date and time: Dec 7, 2001:12:37 EST
Name: Drake Bailey
Country: United States
Comments:
Seems that there are many of these maps and sites about the destruction of the majority of humanity. Who is looking at what changes are called for to prevent these things in the future? I understand that there might be ways to modify the coming events as well, who knows about that? What length of time before we are at the point that our survival is no longer in jepardy afterwards? How much of all this has been compared or overlayed to see where we might best survive? Our research group has been involved in this and other areas for some time now, and we do see this coming, but our dates are different as to meaning. 1998 + 3, 2003-7 & 2012. The first, the point of no return, or beginning; second, the real obvious beginning of change as in the magnetic shifts & weather, and volcanistics begin; third, the major shifts take place, or the hight of them. My best educated guess is that by 2015 things should be settled down pretty much, got anything on that? Has the cause and effect of why been addressed? Is this realy a natural thing, or is there some entity involved? I would like those things to be addressed. Thank you for your time. DKB

From the OPEN FIRE yahoo group of which he is a member.

Again I want to reiterate that I'm not going to inject any bias into what is presented here. Could he be who he says he is in his entirety? Or could he just be a guy with delusions of granduer? I'm just presenting the facts here. This is about scrutiny.

As I said I'll post part two later tonight. I have to eat and give my fingers a rest.

Fire up your search engines.

===

P.S. added May 7, 2012 by Paul:

Drake has contacted us (this forum's moderators) objecting to the accuracy of some of the material above. We have invited him to provide us with his own statement on these matters, for us to consider posting here, so long as it is in accordance with our forum guidelines.

Meanwhile, pending the receipt of such a statement from Drake, I am posting below some comments he made on these matters, taken from KiwiElf's transcript (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more&p=483278&viewfull=1#post483278) of a recent audio of Deatra and Drake available here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more&p=483129&viewfull=1#post483129).

In this audio, Drake said (in part, and modulo any errors in transcription):

Some of the information's correct. Information wise, they've made
a couple of glaring errors. One of the things I see that they're really adept
at doing is creating controversy by taking a snip out of somebody's
overall conversation and saying, "See, I told ya he was nasty," sorta
thing. Clearly childish in some ways, but it put an interesting political
spin on it. Now, I was a member of a group of veterans called, The Vietnam
Brotherhood, and they're trying to say that, or state, actually they do
state, in that post, that I was the founder of it, which I am not.

Now, what they don't know is that these people are very sensitive about
that, and I'll be surprised if they don't file in conjunction with me,
the law suit that is probably gonna come at ya.

The second part of this is, where they accuse me of being an "Illuminati"
and I really take issue with that because I am not a baby-torturing
thinga-ma-bob that most of the Illuminati are. They accuse me of this
because I, at one time I was affiliated with a group known as Loyal
Order of the Royal Dragon.

Now anybody that's done any homework listening to anything and paid
any attention at all has heard of the White Dragon Society, they have
heard of the "families". That's what this pertains to. It does not have
diddely squat to do with the Illuminati! The Illuminati won't go near
those people for one fact: their orders from the "higher ups" in those
groups is to dismember them on sight. And I guarantee you, I know a few
of these people and they are very much capable of doing just exactly that.

...
Now, I have talked to a couple of people and they're having a little
trouble correlating Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon with the Dragon
Family. This goes to a secret society royal bloodline that are the ones
who kept the collateral accounts safe. Now that's pretty awesome if
you think about it. This is what we're fighting against, the present
economic system, about these people stealing, leveraging borrowing
from these collateral accounts for years. Not only do they owe that,
they also owe a per annum fee for portions of the allowed usage of those
collateral accounts. At this point, they cannot pay.

Well, the problem with the combination of that is, the Illuminati would
love to get their scanners on those accounts, simply so they can continue
to suppress the people, and the efforts of the website tend to show that
these people seem to like that idea, or they would not denigrate someone
without doing research. Now the research is simple. Anybody who's got a
computer can look up "The Vietnam Brotherhood" and see that I'm not the
owner, they don't got one. And I was not the founder,.. I joined long
after they started.

Number two. Anybody with a computer, and you know, you gotta be able
to type a lil bit ... you know, L, O, R, D ... when you put that into
the computer: Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon, look at the Royal Dragon
Society and then you'll understand, because it is a "loyalty oath" to the
morality involved in the lives lead by the people who were responsible,
not only "to" but also "for" other people. For their betterment to make
sure their lives were not... too unbearable, and this was done in a
variety of ways, and has been for thousands of years.

So, you have denigrated the Dragon Families and the people associated
with them in this process.


**EDIT/UPDATE** - see response to Drake's comments here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44252-Who-is-DRAKE-The-Loyal-Order-of-the-Royal-Dragon&p=483938&viewfull=1#post483938

[Jeffrey]

I will post part two in a couple of hours. It will mostly deal with:

Dragon Sovereignty (Rex Deus)

The Imperial and Royal Dragon Court and Order

Merlin's Prophesies

and more about Drake being "the White Dragon" and wielding "the rainbow sword", and my speculations on what the Guardian of the Gate is. I'm basically trying to tie it all together... and I think I'm getting warmer.

My fingers are cramping and my stomach is howling though! As the governator once said, "I'll be back"

EDIT:

I'm not saying part two is coming so await in suspence or anything like that. I was just going to give my two cents worth about all of this. Google those terms I mentioned. Along with these:

Native American Rainbow Warriors

Aryans and Archons and Rex Deus

Merlins Prophecies and the White Dragon

Rainbow Sword

Babylon Workings

Read about these and then re-read about Drake with regards to what is presented about him here.

I would like TRANSPARENCY from him. The last thing we need is secrecy when it comes to secret societies.

I'm going to go back to reading now...

EDIT: I will make the post tomorrow as it is a lot of information to go through and I'm trying to separate the sand from the sugar... I should add that most of you could most likely find this stuff...

[white wizard]

Wow I am impressed with your fact finding abilities, this is allot of information

to go through. I think we need more people like you who search for the truth

and verify some of the things people are saying. I look forward to part 2 thanks

for the information you presented.

[modwiz]

I like what I see. I know there are others beside him who do this important work. Not many, but there are others. Mostly work alone as the solitary path keeps one honest and away from the kind of dogma that can form in a group. Reality is a personal affair, the one we create to interface with is a consensus one and close scrutiny and examination would show it for the approximation it is.

With all of that said, I am unsure as to the purpose of this thread. The world might be in upheaval tomorrow, so the semi-private (I know it is on the web) path one walks over the course of a decade or more simply makes us voyeurs, IMO. I know my view is the minority. It is just stuff like this that allows Kim Kardashian to be a celebrity. People actually care what other people do in their private lives. This will provide ample distraction and fuel for opinions to create a fair amount of noise. This should amuse the elite watchers. A thread about preparations? No. A thread about a man who has been a student of the Arts and Sacred Sciences and is willing to stand as a warrior.

I've said my piece and will stand aside now as I will not fit in here.

Your investigative work is noted Vivek. Impressive.

[Alie]

Please google DK Bailey Royal Institute.

I'm not so sure the person you've found fits in with having a Vietnam tour. It has been suggested that Drake is using an online persona, which many people do.

Edit:
I am pro-Drake. If you are trying to align him with Royal Institute of International Affairs then I think you're mistaken. I suggested searching on google b/c it shows this particular name to be affiliated with an entity different than RIIA.

[phillipbbg]

"and more about Drake being "the White Dragon" and wielding "the rainbow sword", and my speculations on what the Guardian of the Gate is. I'm basically trying to tie it all together... and I think I'm getting warmer."

I think you will find the "White Dragon" is the White rainbow and the "Rainbow Sword" is giving you the hint about it being a rainbow... and your inference to the word GATE is bang on... so its a portal formed by a white rainbow beam...
Have fun

[enfoldedblue]

Wow thanks ! I've kinda avoidied the whole arrests thing and am taking a wait and see approach. I personally have no doubt we are in the process of a major paradigm shift..as I am experiencing it very dramatically from within. My personal world has become incredibly free-flowing and beautiful as this transformation occurs. However how this will look in the wider world is completely unknown, so I am just observing with an open mind. This info you have produced here is intriguing...excellent research. I'm looking forward to watching this show unfold. Keep up the good work :) Thanks

[Chester]

Wow - Vivek - if most of this is true, I am even more impressed with Drake - few of us have actual hands on experience with the many paths and societies - great research -

I will say the presentation format and tone of your posts smacks of an intention to discredit him but I may be wrong there.

Its sorta funny but on Sunday's broadcast, Drake mentioned his years in dabbling into the occult, etc. My respect for him rose even further when I heard that. Experience is generally always the best teacher.

I still hope the actions he has been speaking about go to the next level and I doubt revelations about his name, his past would effect the confidence from most of us who have also walked the many paths of life - those of us who seek a better world for the life we have left and the life we hand our descendants.

Modwiz - Thanks for your response - very well presented.

[Jeffrey]

Please google DK Bailey Royal Institute.

I'm not so sure the person you've found fits in with having a Vietnam tour. It has been suggested that Drake is using an online persona, which many people do.

You can go directly to his friends of warm mineral springs website through the internet archives and find his email listed as the web master. You can also find posts about him talking about being a vet, on the sites I listed, none of which have to do with government really.

[Jeffrey]

I like what I see. I know there are others beside him who do this important work. Not many, but there are others. Mostly work alone as the solitary path keeps one honest and away from the kind of dogma that can form in a group. Reality is a personal affair, the one we create to interface with is a consensus one and close scrutiny and examination would show it for the approximation it is.

With all of that said, I am unsure as to the purpose of this thread. The world might be in upheaval tomorrow, so the semi-private (I know it is on the web) path one walks over the course of a decade or more simply makes us voyeurs, IMO. I know my view is the minority. It is just stuff like this that allows Kim Kardashian to be a celebrity. People actually care what other people do in their private lives. This will provide ample distraction and fuel for opinions to create a fair amount of noise. This should amuse the elite watchers. A thread about preparations? No. A thread about a man who has been a student of the Arts and Sacred Sciences and is willing to stand as a warrior.

I've said my piece and will stand aside now as I will not fit in here.

Your investigative work is noted Vivek. Impressive.

That is my leaning thus far as well. Just so y'all know. That being said, I'm not about to get comfortable with what people try and feed me. So, I will keep up with this whole Drake movement, but I will be wary of certain people behind the scenes that are in all probabilty more clever than I.


Wow - Vivek - if most of this is true, I am even more impressed with Drake - few of us have actual hands on experience with the many paths and societies - great research -

I will say the presentation format and tone of your posts smacks of an intention to discredit him but I may be wrong there.

Its sorta funny but on Sunday's broadcast, Drake mentioned his years in dabbling into the occult, etc. My respect for him rose even further when I heard that. Experience is generally always the best teacher.

I still hope the actions he has been speaking about go to the next level and I doubt revelations about his name, his past would effect the confidence from most of us who have also walked the many paths of life and seek e better world for the life we have left and the life we hand our descendants.

Modwiz - Thanks for your response - very well presented.

I'm not trying to discredit the man, my intentions are to present the facts about him as this can help those with ears to hear understand what is going on. I like the guy, but some of this stuff concerns me a little.. that's all I'm sayin'

And this isn't to you specifically but whoever reads the OP can add whatever flavor packet of koolaid they want to and drink it. I ain't drinkin' nobodys koolaid! So don't think you know what koolaid I'm drinkin' cause I can't decide on a flavor yet.

[StarDust]

OK, so you've outed the mans real name. Kudos to you. The Drake on the radio already stated that he had gone down the path of the dark side and rejected it. Most of what you have uncovered is in line with his passion to do right by humanity. So, what are you (OP) inferring and what is your motive? You seem to have gone out of your way to uncover a bunch of information that does not paint a picture that different from what Drake is saying on the radio. I'm sure that this is the stuff that the OP lives for. However, I prefer to use my intuition to discern truth since anyone can portray themselves as anything they desire at any given moment on the internet. So far, I continue to have a positive feeling about Drake as well as the positive beings that have aligned with him.

[Jeffrey]

OK, so you've outed the mans real name. Kudos to you. The Drake on the radio already stated that he had gone down the path of the dark side and rejected it. Most of what you have uncovered is in line with his passion to do right by humanity. So, what are you (OP) inferring and what is your motive? You seem to have gone out of your way to uncover a bunch of information that does not paint a picture that different from what Drake is saying on the radio. I'm sure that this is the stuff that the OP lives for. However, I prefer to use my intuition to discern truth since anyone can portray themselves as anything they desire at any given moment on the internet. So far, I continue to have a positive feeling about Drake as well as the positive beings that have aligned with him.

I see you have become disturbed from your comfortable state of positive feelings. May I direct your intuition to discern the post above yours before you start slapping your motives on me?

[Fred Steeves]

So, I will keep up with this whole Drake movement, but I will be wary of certain people behind the scenes that are in all probabilty more clever than I.


This statement finally touches on what has been sticking in my craw about the whole Drake thing the last few days. The next in line of people for the alternative community to look to for answers and/or hope outside of ourselves?

When ever we are being prompted to look outside of ourselves for any meaningful answers or solutions, we are being manipulated. It's as simple as that, IMHO that is.:sad:

Cheers,
Fred

[gripreaper]

I see Vivek also has a keen interest in the esoteric and the spiritual. Here are the threads he has started in the last year since joining.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?searchid=4313910

That would include a large percentage of those here as well. My main question about "vetting" anyone, is: Would they choose to use their new-found powers of the occult for the betterment of all life, or for their own nefarious reasons?

I've often cautioned about those who use artificial means to tap into the higher dimensions, and cautioned taking too seriously the lower dimensions which still contain duality in them (most channeled stuff these days). Until you get to the causal level, it's difficult to discern what is the intent of the disembodied being you are in communion with.

At this point, how one gets there is not a big issue for me, as the saying goes "all roads lead to Rome" or, all the trails on the mountain eventually get to the apex... we'll see. I'm more concerned about the idea of "sovereignty" and peoples understanding of what it is. I'm working on a similar thesis to address that and hope to have it posted in a few days.

===

[ Mod-edit: the above link won't work - see my post a couple further down. -Paul. ]

[Chester]

I'm not trying to discredit the man, my intentions are to present the facts about him as this can help those with ears to hear understand what is going on. I like the guy, but some of this stuff concerns me a little.. that's all I'm sayin'

And this isn't to you specifically but whoever reads the OP can add whatever flavor packet of koolaid they want to and drink it. I ain't drinkin' nobodys koolaid! So don't think you know what koolaid I'm drinkin' cause I can't decide on a flavor yet.

Thanks for clarifying this Vivek. I trust your stated intentions. Again, quite impressive all your research - it shows you care. I honored your research by reading over your text and accessing the links you have supplied. I am eagerly awaiting your subsequent posts. If anything, Drake is quite a fascinating guy.

[Chester]

Please google DK Bailey Royal Institute.

I'm not so sure the person you've found fits in with having a Vietnam tour. It has been suggested that Drake is using an online persona, which many people do.

Edit:
I am pro-Drake. If you are trying to align him with Royal Institute of International Affairs then I think you're mistaken. I suggested searching on google b/c it shows this particular name to be affiliated with an entity different than RIIA.

Hi Alie - this is not the Royal Institute of International Affairs - follow Vivek's links and see what it is really about.

Vivek is doing some impressive research and I believe his intentions are honorable.

[ThePythonicCow]

Here are the threads he [Vivek] has started in the last year since joining.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?searchid=4313910

That forum search link will not work for anyone else, gripreaper. That's a limitation of the forum software. Sorry.

So far as I know, the best you can do is recommend to others what terms and values to search for.

[Fundy Gemini]

Thank you for your investigation :-)

I heard Drake speak for several hours a couple days ago on Wolf Spirit Radio, and he shared a great deal of what you have uncovered here. Because it was an unusally long interview he also went quit far with explaining his own personal belief structures and was not guarded about his feelings about the Creator or animal spirits & nature etc.

As usual I came away with the certainty of my own intuition that what this man is attempting (be it successful to the extent of his passion or not) is coming from the heart and is being presented in earnest with great faith in the outcome.

I do appreciate the effort put into your findings however and applaud the due diligence, which is so impotant :grouphug:

[StarDust]

OK, so you've outed the mans real name. Kudos to you. The Drake on the radio already stated that he had gone down the path of the dark side and rejected it. Most of what you have uncovered is in line with his passion to do right by humanity. So, what are you (OP) inferring and what is your motive? You seem to have gone out of your way to uncover a bunch of information that does not paint a picture that different from what Drake is saying on the radio. I'm sure that this is the stuff that the OP lives for. However, I prefer to use my intuition to discern truth since anyone can portray themselves as anything they desire at any given moment on the internet. So far, I continue to have a positive feeling about Drake as well as the positive beings that have aligned with him.

I see you have become disturbed from your comfortable state of positive feelings. May I direct your intuition to discern the post above yours before you start slapping your motives on me?

No, on the contrary, your vast research of internet findings has done nothing to effect the vibratory frequency by which I operate. That is not possible by you or any other. If anything, it has strengthened it. Honestly, when I first took a cursory glance of your work, this is the first thing that came to mind…

y8Kyi0WNg40

Although your findings have all the trappings of a CIA file, I've yet to see the point. Like justoneman, if your findings are factual, I now have greater respect for the the man via his bone fides; which was more or less a given in my book provided his affiliation and affection for David Wilcock.

I only questioned what your motive is and have insinuated nothing; although your intent is fairly obvious from your title-to discredit the man based on the preconceived notions of others within the groups you mention in your title. Yes, that is your intent weather you realize it or not, by the use of the the word "REALLY" in you title (Who DRAKE really is: the Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon, the Illuminati, and 201). Words do matter when you are trying to convey information. It is clear that you have prejudged the man based on past affiliations. Hopefully others will not jump to conclusions about the man's intent based on past affiliations. As mentioned previously, he has admitted more than once that he has dabbled on the dark side only to head toward the light. Well done Drake! Polarity is a choice and he has chosen well.

I spent a decade doing conspiracy research and at the end my conclusion was "ok, I have all this info at my fingertips, now what?" And thus, I posit that question upon you. I know, I know, you'll likely take the stance that you are merely the messenger and if that is the case then so be it.

Best of luck seeking within the past, I for one only need to look to the future to see that in the end, conspiracy based info. including everything that you have presented will only make for good campfire stories for my grandchildren one day:o

[gripreaper]

Is jumping to conclusions a good idea?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxuTyXQHqkI

[Jeffrey]

OK, so you've outed the mans real name. Kudos to you. The Drake on the radio already stated that he had gone down the path of the dark side and rejected it. Most of what you have uncovered is in line with his passion to do right by humanity. So, what are you (OP) inferring and what is your motive? You seem to have gone out of your way to uncover a bunch of information that does not paint a picture that different from what Drake is saying on the radio. I'm sure that this is the stuff that the OP lives for. However, I prefer to use my intuition to discern truth since anyone can portray themselves as anything they desire at any given moment on the internet. So far, I continue to have a positive feeling about Drake as well as the positive beings that have aligned with him.

I see you have become disturbed from your comfortable state of positive feelings. May I direct your intuition to discern the post above yours before you start slapping your motives on me?

No, on the contrary, your vast research of internet findings has done nothing to effect the vibratory frequency by which I operate. That is not possible by you or any other. If anything, it has strengthened it. Honestly, when I first took a cursory glance of your work, this is the first thing that came to mind…

y8Kyi0WNg40

Although your findings have all the trappings of a CIA file, I've yet to see the point. Like justoneman, if your findings are factual, I now have greater respect for the the man via his bone fides; which was more or less a given in my book provided his affiliation and affection for David Wilcock.

I only questioned what your motive is and have insinuated nothing; although your intent is fairly obvious from your title-to discredit the man based on the preconceived notions of others within the groups you mention in your title. Hopefully others will not jump to conclusions about the man's intent based on past affiliations. As mentioned previously, he has admitted more than once that he has dabbled on the dark side only to head toward the light. Well done Drake! Polarity is a choice and he has chosen well.

I spent a decade doing conspiracy research and at the end my conclusion was "ok, I have all this info at my fingertips, now what?" And thus, I posit that question upon you. I know, I know, you'll likely take the stance that you are merely the messenger and if that is the case then so be it.

Best of luck seeking within the past, I for one only need to look to the future to see that in the end, conspiracy based info. including everything that you have presented will only make for good campfire stories for my grandchildren one day:o

I think you may be surprised by how much we agree on. I think you may have a point on the thread title with regards to preconceived notions. I will change that.

Please quit saying my intentions are obvious, because you obviously don't understand my viewpoints on Drake as I haven't explained them in the OP. You can look at my personal commentary about the matter here (in this thread) and else where. Feel free to search my recent posts.

Ps- I love the dramatic groundhog vid

[StarDust]

I think you may be surprised by how much we agree on. I think you may have a point on the thread title with regards to preconceived notions. I will change that.

Please quit saying my intentions are obvious, because you obviously don't understand my viewpoints on Drake as I haven't explained them in the OP. You can look at my personal commentary about the matter here (in this thread) and else where. Feel free to search my recent posts.


Fair enough. If I were to change the title to be more impartial and eliminate prejudgement, then it would simply be "Drake's identity revealed"; or something along those lines.

[ThePythonicCow]

If I were to change the title to be more impartial and eliminate prejudgement, then it would simply be "Drake's identity revealed"; or something along those lines.
I just changed the thread title, from "Who DRAKE really is: the Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon, the Illuminati, and 2012", to "Who is DRAKE: The Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon", at the request of the original poster, Vivek. :). He made the request to me prior to your post.

[KiwiElf]

EDIT: Deleted - done! Nice title! :)

[Avocadess]

Just a note (from http://nexusilluminati.blogspot.com/2012/03/star-fire-gold-of-gods.html):

In the old Hebrew Bibles, all references to serpents are made by use of the word nahash (from the stem NHSH); but this usage does not relate to serpents in the way that we would know them - that is, as venomous snakes. It relates to serpents in their traditional capacity as bringers of wisdom and enlightenment, for the word nahash actually means 'to decipher' or 'to find out'.

Serpents, in one form or another, were always associated with wisdom and healing, and the Trees of Life and Knowledge are customarily identified with serpents.

****

Being born in the Year of the Snake, I am very aware that snakes do not have the same connotations in the East that we in the West often have for them, such as "a snake in the grass." Very different meanings.

Although it is clear Drake is not wanting to advertise his last name it is also clear that learning his identity is not that difficult. In fact, a Facebook friend emailed me his name over a week ago from the research she did. I personally have chosen not to give his last name to people simply because I knew that he would prefer that.

All in all however, I find that his persona on the radio shows seems very open, including about himself and things he has been involved in, etc. I like his overall transparency. I want to remember to say a prayer for him and for all the good and brave people that are helping in this Mission to free the United States from its bitter yoke.

And I pray for change -- real change. Real, real, real, REAL change -- for the better of humanity.

The powers that were have lived off the rest of humanity like parasites. We no longer wish to remain their host...!

[Unified Serenity]

Just a note (from http://nexusilluminati.blogspot.com/2012/03/star-fire-gold-of-gods.html):

In the old Hebrew Bibles, all references to serpents are made by use of the word nahash (from the stem NHSH); but this usage does not relate to serpents in the way that we would know them - that is, as venomous snakes. It relates to serpents in their traditional capacity as bringers of wisdom and enlightenment, for the word nahash actually means 'to decipher' or 'to find out'.


From my research there are three meanings for Nachash and it depends on where the dots and tittles are placed. For instance in Genesis in the garden of Eden, the word is not Snake at all, but shining one. Shining one links back to the idea of Illumination and Satan mascarading as an Angel (Messenger) of Light. The really hard part is in understanding where the light is coming from, and is it really ultimately for our good or just to gain more control. Many people are stressed and dislike it when they are given hope based on a story and someone else comes along and shows the holes in the story. That's a lot of what I am seeing with Drake.

He has some pretty amazing writings about healing and such which most people I have associated with align their thoughts to as well. I am going to continue to dig and find out more about this particular Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon. There is some very interesting stuff on the Dragon bloodline which interestingly Constantine came from and the Catholic Church uses his apparent bestowing of his authority on them to carry out what they do based on that authority.

These are some sites I have been reading on and quite frankly I had to take a break since last night's searching in the Dragon bloodline as it just gets a bit much:

http://drakenberg.weebly.com/

I'm not a big fan of wiki, but there was this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Dragon

This particular info was a lot to read, but well worth it:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dragons2/esp_sociopol_lordring07.htm

I took this quote as interesting:

* Drakenberg is the legally recognized name of the Nation State of the Dragon Peoples. Drakenberg was officially recognized by default in 1997, by one Western Government. The Dragons wanted to see whether they could get their old enemies to recognize the Kingdom of the Elves, they having spent 1000 years attempting to eradicate all trace of it from the public consciousness. The exercise was successful and Drakenberg - The Dragon Sovereignty - (Lothlorien, if you like) exists with all the powers of an incorporeal state of peoples as defined by the United Nations. Essentially therefore, being an Elf or a Dragon is a recognized nationality! This was a serious political move undertaken for serious environmental and social reasons. Enquiries in this regard concerning DNA tests should be directed to Dragoncourt.org (http://www.dragoncourt.org/).
(Dragoncourt.org link does not work)

The name changes, the history changes regarding the names was a lot to go through which I did find very interesting. Are some of us more "gifted" naturally and thus bloodlines matter and that's why the families were so careful? Then instead of being Kings and Queens who brought blessings and took care of their people, they became corrupted and desired to be worshipped and/or just keep the people down and as their servants. They have lost their right to lead because of their abusive ways. It is time for change, and it is coming.

This is the content page which was well worth the read:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dragons2/esp_sociopol_lordring.htm

I see this sovereignty issue tied to the Dragon bloodline and thus it may be a big part of Drake's push as well.

[Jeffrey]

Just a note (from http://nexusilluminati.blogspot.com/2012/03/star-fire-gold-of-gods.html):

In the old Hebrew Bibles, all references to serpents are made by use of the word nahash (from the stem NHSH); but this usage does not relate to serpents in the way that we would know them - that is, as venomous snakes. It relates to serpents in their traditional capacity as bringers of wisdom and enlightenment, for the word nahash actually means 'to decipher' or 'to find out'.


From my research there are three meanings for Nachash and it depends on where the dots and tittles are placed. For instance in Genesis in the garden of Eden, the word is not Snake at all, but shining one. Shining one links back to the idea of Illumination and Satan mascarading as an Angel (Messenger) of Light. The really hard part is in understanding where the light is coming from, and is it really ultimately for our good or just to gain more control. Many people are stressed and dislike it when they are given hope based on a story and someone else comes along and shows the holes in the story. That's a lot of what I am seeing with Drake.

He has some pretty amazing writings about healing and such which most people I have associated with align their thoughts to as well. I am going to continue to dig and find out more about this particular Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon. There is some very interesting stuff on the Dragon bloodline which interestingly Constantine came from and the Catholic Church uses his apparent bestowing of his authority on them to carry out what they do based on that authority.

These are some sites I have been reading on and quite frankly I had to take a break since last night's searching in the Dragon bloodline as it just gets a bit much:

http://drakenberg.weebly.com/

I'm not a big fan of wiki, but there was this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Dragon

This particular info was a lot to read, but well worth it:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dragons2/esp_sociopol_lordring07.htm

I took this quote as interesting:

* Drakenberg is the legally recognized name of the Nation State of the Dragon Peoples. Drakenberg was officially recognized by default in 1997, by one Western Government. The Dragons wanted to see whether they could get their old enemies to recognize the Kingdom of the Elves, they having spent 1000 years attempting to eradicate all trace of it from the public consciousness. The exercise was successful and Drakenberg - The Dragon Sovereignty - (Lothlorien, if you like) exists with all the powers of an incorporeal state of peoples as defined by the United Nations. Essentially therefore, being an Elf or a Dragon is a recognized nationality! This was a serious political move undertaken for serious environmental and social reasons. Enquiries in this regard concerning DNA tests should be directed to Dragoncourt.org (http://www.dragoncourt.org/).
(Dragoncourt.org link does not work)

The name changes, the history changes regarding the names was a lot to go through which I did find very interesting. Are some of us more "gifted" naturally and thus bloodlines matter and that's why the families were so careful? Then instead of being Kings and Queens who brought blessings and took care of their people, they became corrupted and desired to be worshipped and/or just keep the people down and as their servants. They have lost their right to lead because of their abusive ways. It is time for change, and it is coming.

This is the content page which was well worth the read:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dragons2/esp_sociopol_lordring.htm

I see this sovereignty issue tied to the Dragon bloodline and thus it may be a big part of Drake's push as well.


This being the Chinese year of the Dragon, 2012 being the year marking the entrance to the age of Aquarius, dragon sovereignty, the perennial philosophies of the ORIGINAL Illuminati, the Nahash (nachach), reptilians/archons, bloodlines/DNA... All of these things are important I think when considering all of this.

Who are we really fighting in this whole Drake thing, and who are we really fighting for?

[Chester]

Just a note (from http://nexusilluminati.blogspot.com/2012/03/star-fire-gold-of-gods.html):

In the old Hebrew Bibles, all references to serpents are made by use of the word nahash (from the stem NHSH); but this usage does not relate to serpents in the way that we would know them - that is, as venomous snakes. It relates to serpents in their traditional capacity as bringers of wisdom and enlightenment, for the word nahash actually means 'to decipher' or 'to find out'.


From my research there are three meanings for Nachash and it depends on where the dots and tittles are placed. For instance in Genesis in the garden of Eden, the word is not Snake at all, but shining one. Shining one links back to the idea of Illumination and Satan mascarading as an Angel (Messenger) of Light. The really hard part is in understanding where the light is coming from, and is it really ultimately for our good or just to gain more control. Many people are stressed and dislike it when they are given hope based on a story and someone else comes along and shows the holes in the story. That's a lot of what I am seeing with Drake.

He has some pretty amazing writings about healing and such which most people I have associated with align their thoughts to as well. I am going to continue to dig and find out more about this particular Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon. There is some very interesting stuff on the Dragon bloodline which interestingly Constantine came from and the Catholic Church uses his apparent bestowing of his authority on them to carry out what they do based on that authority.

These are some sites I have been reading on and quite frankly I had to take a break since last night's searching in the Dragon bloodline as it just gets a bit much:

http://drakenberg.weebly.com/

I'm not a big fan of wiki, but there was this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Dragon

This particular info was a lot to read, but well worth it:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dragons2/esp_sociopol_lordring07.htm

I took this quote as interesting:

* Drakenberg is the legally recognized name of the Nation State of the Dragon Peoples. Drakenberg was officially recognized by default in 1997, by one Western Government. The Dragons wanted to see whether they could get their old enemies to recognize the Kingdom of the Elves, they having spent 1000 years attempting to eradicate all trace of it from the public consciousness. The exercise was successful and Drakenberg - The Dragon Sovereignty - (Lothlorien, if you like) exists with all the powers of an incorporeal state of peoples as defined by the United Nations. Essentially therefore, being an Elf or a Dragon is a recognized nationality! This was a serious political move undertaken for serious environmental and social reasons. Enquiries in this regard concerning DNA tests should be directed to Dragoncourt.org (http://www.dragoncourt.org/).
(Dragoncourt.org link does not work)

The name changes, the history changes regarding the names was a lot to go through which I did find very interesting. Are some of us more "gifted" naturally and thus bloodlines matter and that's why the families were so careful? Then instead of being Kings and Queens who brought blessings and took care of their people, they became corrupted and desired to be worshipped and/or just keep the people down and as their servants. They have lost their right to lead because of their abusive ways. It is time for change, and it is coming.

This is the content page which was well worth the read:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dragons2/esp_sociopol_lordring.htm

I see this sovereignty issue tied to the Dragon bloodline and thus it may be a big part of Drake's push as well.


Thank You Unified Serenity for your further research.

Unless the researcher has really looked deep, they would likely never discover there are some not so secret, secret societies that appear to be benevolent. I have direct experience with one though I am not a member. In that experience I was introduced to the society where an interesting fellow named Prince Nicholas de Vere von Drakenberg plays a significant roll. Here is a biography.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_dragoncourt_a.htm

Nick wrote an e-book in the mid 80s and it later became a published book - you can still read the original e-book, here is the link. This book made more impact upon me that any book I have ever read.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dragons/esp_sociopol_dragoncourt02.htm

Note: this material goes pretty deep for most laymen though is basic material for a true occultist. I found the material fascinating but have always had difficulty with the blood line aspect of it as most of us likely would.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_dragoncourt04.htm

If the societies in which Drake has been involved (if he has been involved) are of the nature of the societies Nick de Vere has been involved, then I, personally have no issue regarding this association. In fact, I am further impressed.

But one has to do quite a bit of study here to be able to draw any conclusions as to thumbs up or thumbs down.

I can assure you that if you do spend the time to study this area, study a great deal of the occult (which does not mean you need to practice black or any other magic, conjure spirits, any of that stuff) you may be surprised what parts of your own spirituality you might awaken to.

I do not suggest anyone do this unless they are a very well grounded individual to begin with.

Anyways, it would be interesting if Drake had current and/or past affiliations.

By the way, I recently heard a web broadcast where Nick de Vere stated he was a Gnostic Christian. That is not a religion by the way - more of a statement of your being.

[Chester]

Recalling Nick de Vere and his material - He suggests that the current "royalty" is a false royalty and does not possess the true "dragon blood" that royalty must possess (at least they do not possess the higher percentages) - Nick also states that the ancient dragon-priest queens/kings were appreciated for their gifts which could only be possessed by those of the purest dragon blood. Civilizations that existed with these beliefs treated the dragon-priest queens/kings with great respect because of their wisdom. He uses several terms to refer to these dragon queens and kings such as faeries, vampires, and other terms. He goes into etymology in explaining how and where these terms came about. I recall one thing he said, "A queen can be a true queen without a king but a king can never be a true king without a queen." My intuition agrees with that assertion. I am just throwing stuff out there as it returns to my memory...
justoneman

[Unified Serenity]

I am interested in the dragon peoples being recognized, but I could not find anymore information on that. As a direct descendent myself of a Dragon King, I have always found this topic of interest, but it's not easy to dig much up on it.

[modwiz]

Very interesting. Dragons emerging.

Very misunderstood, the dragons are. No matter what definition you apply.

I like Nicholas. I have said before, Golden Ages had golden leaders.

[Chester]

First - if there is anything to "dragon blood" and I can't say either way as it is difficult for me to accept that blood %s (dragon blood vs non dragon blood) "should" make a difference, I have studied the matter closely. EDIT - it is not difficult for me to accept, I just fear it would be difficult for many folks to consider... de Vere has actually isolated specific genes which he states you can be tested for that determines if you have dragon blood. He asserts that having this blood gives one powers we group into 6th senses such as clairvoyance, telepathy, clairaudience, precognition and more. The more dragon blood one possess, the greater degree one has the ability to bring forth these talents. You can see where this leads. It is the foundation of why bloodline is so important to royalty and others involved in many of these secret societies.

Nick claims (and I am not stating if I buy it or not) that he is a direct descendant of the person who we now refer to as Jesus Christ (has genealogical charts that he presents in his books) and that is part of the basis for his claims that current royalty (at least as far as the UK goes) is not the true royalty (although Harry may actually have bloodline claims considering his father may have been James Hewitt instead of Prince Phillip). This may be why we got info from Fulford that some insiders would accept Harry as the next King.

You can begin to see how complicated all this gets. Anyway, it is difficult with my conditioning to imagine that there might be something to bloodline. Most of us would likely have similar feelings. But Nick's books are compelling and I would rate Nick de Vere as quite an occult historian, etymologist and occultist in general. From my understanding, he has quite a bit of respect from many within the European occult societies and is generally a pain in the ass to most of the elite.

[Ishtar]

Wow!! Way-to-go due diligence, Vivek! I take my hat off to you.

The bottom line is, though, that Drake told us that he wasn't associated with any other group and was just working with that small group of people at Freedom Reigns. He stated categorically that he wasn't a part of any Dragon-related group on the last radio broadcast and because when first asked that question, his answer threw up a load of pink smoke, the questioner had to come back in on another phone line to ask the question again, and finally Drake said 'No'. So he lied ... what else has he lied about?

For those who would like a quick entree into what it means to be a member of a dragon society ~

All the dragon societies came out of the Serpent Cults which were rife across the civilised world during pre-Christian times. The serpent represented wisdom and so initiates would undergo secret (occult) teachings and variations of these continued right up to the Mystery Teachings in Greece before those practises were wiped out by Justinian. The evidence left from it was reported on by various renown Greek and Roman historians, like Diodorus Siculus, Pliny and Thucydides.

There was a 19th century Freemason and Rosicrucian called Hargrave Jennings who pulled together the Greek and Roman historians accounts of their evidence for it worldwide in his book published in 1889: Ophiolatreia: An Account of the Rites and Mysteries Connected with the Origin, Rise, and Development of Serpent Worship.

And I have written an article tracing the history of the Serpent Cults here (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?13-The-Serpent-Cult)

[modwiz]

First - if there is anything to "dragon blood" and I can't say either way as it is difficult for me to accept that blood %s (dragon blood vs non dragon blood) "should" make a difference, I have studied the matter closely. de Vere has actually isolated specific genes which he states you can be tested for that determines if you have dragon blood. He asserts that having this blood gives one powers we group into 6th senses such as clairvoyance, telepathy, clairaudience, precognition and more. The more dragon blood one possess, the greater degree one is has the ability to bring forth these talents. You can see where this leads. It is the foundation of why bloodline is so important to royalty and others involved in many of these secret societies.

Nick claims (and I am not stating if I buy it or not) that he is a direct descendant of the person who we now refer to as Jesus Christ (has genealogical charts that he presents in his books) and that is part of the basis for his claims that current royalty (at least as far as the UK goes) is not the true royalty (although Harry may actually have bloodline claims considering his father may have been James Hewitt instead of Prince Phillip). This may be why we got info from Fulford that some insiders would accept harry as the next King.

You can begin to see how complicated all this gets. Anyway, it is difficult with my conditioning to imagine that there might be something to bloodline. Most of us would likely have similar feelings. But Nick's books are compelling and I would rate Nick de Vere as quite an occult historian, etymologist and occultist in general. From my understanding, he has quite a bit of respect from many within the European occult societies and is generally a pain in the ass to most of the elite.

He (Nicholas de Vere) is a bit grandiose, IMO, but I can handle it. Constantine's mother was a supposed descendant of the Jesus family. It is one of reasons he did what he did. He saw himself a rightful heir to the Church through his mother. I am surprised he let Apostolic succession pass at the Council of Nicea. This allowed for non family members to be heads of the church. It is exactly this difference in succession, bloodline or not, that split the Muslims. The Shia only allow Imams who are descendants of Mohammed's(pbuh). The Sunni, allow for an apostolic succession. Yes, doctrinal issues have bifurcated from the split, but it is the split that created them.

There is a sense of service to the people with the true, and sane, Dragons. They (the people) are your responsibility, not your property.

[Jeffrey]

First - if there is anything to "dragon blood" and I can't say either way as it is difficult for me to accept that blood %s (dragon blood vs non dragon blood) "should" make a difference, I have studied the matter closely. EDIT - it is not difficult for me to accept, I just fear it would be difficult for many folks to consider... de Vere has actually isolated specific genes which he states you can be tested for that determines if you have dragon blood. He asserts that having this blood gives one powers we group into 6th senses such as clairvoyance, telepathy, clairaudience, precognition and more. The more dragon blood one possess, the greater degree one has the ability to bring forth these talents. You can see where this leads. It is the foundation of why bloodline is so important to royalty and others involved in many of these secret societies.

Nick claims (and I am not stating if I buy it or not) that he is a direct descendant of the person who we now refer to as Jesus Christ (has genealogical charts that he presents in his books) and that is part of the basis for his claims that current royalty (at least as far as the UK goes) is not the true royalty (although Harry may actually have bloodline claims considering his father may have been James Hewitt instead of Prince Phillip). This may be why we got info from Fulford that some insiders would accept Harry as the next King.

You can begin to see how complicated all this gets. Anyway, it is difficult with my conditioning to imagine that there might be something to bloodline. Most of us would likely have similar feelings. But Nick's books are compelling and I would rate Nick de Vere as quite an occult historian, etymologist and occultist in general. From my understanding, he has quite a bit of respect from many within the European occult societies and is generally a pain in the ass to most of the elite.

And royalty ---> kingship ---> cainship ---> back to Cain and Abel, reptilian/dragon/nahash bloodlines... Enki and Enlil... I can't remember where I picked that up but I too have read of de Vere... And so far thanks to you and US this thread is going in the right direction (at least how I had hoped).

There are a lot of connections to be made and sorted out. I can't believe I'm still awake! I can't seem to get to sleep my mind is racing.

EDIT: I'd like to add Ishtar and modwiz to that list too, and I know there are plenty of others at PA who could be very helpful. I just wanna thank y'all for even taking a look at this.

Also, from what I've read about these Dragon Courts/orders is that initiates/members loyalty is to that brotherhood ABOVE ALL ELSE.

In the same vein though I have read what seemed like good things about some of them and bad things.

[Chester]

Very interesting. Dragons emerging.

Very misunderstood, the dragons are. No matter what definition you apply.

I like Nicholas. I have said before, Golden Ages had golden leaders.


Modwiz - what economy with words! Golden Ages had golden leaders - too bad so many folk can't see the truth in that - especially when we are supposed to be at the brink of a new golden age.

Yes... Nick is a cool dude and he ain't afraid to piss off the PTB/Ws.

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Their is a sense of service to the people with the true, and sane, Dragons. They (the people) are your responsibility, not your property.

Bingo! nailed it

[Chester]

Wow!! Way-to-go due diligence, Vivek! I take my hat off to you.

The bottom line is, though, that Drake told us that he wasn't associated with any other group and was just working with that small group of people at Freedom Reigns.

Ishtar, I love ya but gotta jump in here. We all are in the school of life, some actually graduate. Some of us at some point go solo.

[Ishtar]

For me to recognise someone as a golden leader, they would have to speak the truth.

Golden ages represent a state of consciousness.. not a state of government, although countless groups in the past have used the stories in the ancient myths to back their revolutions. So this won't be the first to claim that God is on their side. However, this god requires much blood to be spilt...

With God On Our Side

Oh my name it is nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I's taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And the land that I live in
Has God on it's side.

Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on it's side.

The Spanish-American
War had it's day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
I's made to memorize
With guns on their hands
And God on their side.

The First World War, boys
It came and it went
The reason for fighting
I never did get
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don't count the dead
When God's on your side.

When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And then we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side.

I've learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war comes
It's them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side.

But now we got weapons
Of the chemical dust
If fire them we're forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God's on your side.

In a many dark hour
I've been thinkin' about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can't think for you
You'll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side.

So now as I'm leavin'
I'm weary as Hell
The confusion I'm feelin'
Ain't no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God's on our side
He'll stop the next war.


Bob Dylan

[modwiz]

Wow!! Way-to-go due diligence, Vivek! I take my hat off to you.

The bottom line is, though, that Drake told us that he wasn't associated with any other group and was just working with that small group of people at Freedom Reigns.

Ishtar, I love ya but gotta jump in here. We all are in the school of life, some actually graduate. Some of us at some point go solo.

Then there are some that go so low. :rolleyes:

[Ishtar]

Wow!! Way-to-go due diligence, Vivek! I take my hat off to you.

The bottom line is, though, that Drake told us that he wasn't associated with any other group and was just working with that small group of people at Freedom Reigns. However, he stated categorically that he wasn't a part of any Dragon-related group on the last radio broadcast and because when first asked that question, his answer threw up a load of pink smoke, the questioner had to come back in on another phone line to ask the question again, and finally Drake said 'No'. So he lied ... what else has he lied about?

Ishtar, I love ya but gotta jump in here. We all are in the school of life, some actually graduate. Some of us at some point go solo.

Sorry justoneman, probably me being thick, but I don't get your point. I was just saying how this is an example of Drake lying .. and this of a piece with a post I wrote in the other thread about how I think that truth is vital to the outcome of any operation from the get-go ...don't get the connection with school of life or going solo ... could you try and explain it again?

[Jeffrey]

However, he stated categorically that he wasn't a part of any Dragon-related group on the last radio broadcast and because when first asked that question, his answer threw up a load of pink smoke, the questioner had to come back in on another phone line to ask the question again, and finally Drake said 'No'. So he lied ... what else has he lied about?


I missed this, does anyone have the transcript??

[modwiz]

However, he stated categorically that he wasn't a part of any Dragon-related group on the last radio broadcast and because when first asked that question, his answer threw up a load of pink smoke, the questioner had to come back in on another phone line to ask the question again, and finally Drake said 'No'. So he lied ... what else has he lied about?


I missed this, does anyone have the transcript??

I was once a Boy Scout. I am no longer affiliated with them.

[Ishtar]

Vivek, it's about half-way through the show... I don't have a transcript but it was quite memorable because of the way the questioner came back in through the 'back door', iow another phone line which wasn't supposed to be operational. He had asked him quite categorically whether he was a member of any Dragon Groups, and Drake then talked about Dragon Groups but didn't commit to being a member of one. So the questioner wasn't satisfied with the answer Drake gave him, and a bit later, came back in again in this unconventional way. Even then, he was told that Drake had already answered that question, but the questioner, quite rightly, insisted that he hadn't and then Drake just quickly said to him "No". Others must have heard it.

[Calz]

However, he stated categorically that he wasn't a part of any Dragon-related group on the last radio broadcast and because when first asked that question, his answer threw up a load of pink smoke, the questioner had to come back in on another phone line to ask the question again, and finally Drake said 'No'. So he lied ... what else has he lied about?


I missed this, does anyone have the transcript??

Don't think there is a transcript available ... but here are the links to the mp3s (the 4/22 A and B ... I expect "A" is the one where the caller comments are on but not sure)


http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archive/download.php?id=Deatra_Drake

[KiwiElf]

However, he stated categorically that he wasn't a part of any Dragon-related group on the last radio broadcast and because when first asked that question, his answer threw up a load of pink smoke, the questioner had to come back in on another phone line to ask the question again, and finally Drake said 'No'. So he lied ... what else has he lied about?


I missed this, does anyone have the transcript??

Not available yet. It might pay to look/listen at the WHOLE thing, in context.
It's pretty clear on the last 4-hr recording. As I said elsewhere - listen/ read the WHOLE thing or you are peering too closely at the "wood" and completely missing the "tree's". This is but one tiny part - a speculation. We ALL lie. The cake is not yet baked. ;)

[Ishtar]

However, he stated categorically that he wasn't a part of any Dragon-related group on the last radio broadcast and because when first asked that question, his answer threw up a load of pink smoke, the questioner had to come back in on another phone line to ask the question again, and finally Drake said 'No'. So he lied ... what else has he lied about?

I missed this, does anyone have the transcript??

Don't think there is a transcript available ... but here are the links to the mp3s (the 4/22 A and B ... I expect "A" is the one where the caller comments are on but not sure)

http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archive/download.php?id=Deatra_Drake

Thanks Cal. I'm hoping other listeners will remember it because I really don't want to have to listen to the whole show again. :(

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However, he stated categorically that he wasn't a part of any Dragon-related group on the last radio broadcast and because when first asked that question, his answer threw up a load of pink smoke, the questioner had to come back in on another phone line to ask the question again, and finally Drake said 'No'. So he lied ... what else has he lied about?


I missed this, does anyone have the transcript??

Not available yet. It might pay to look/listen at the WHOLE thing, in context.
It's pretty clear on the last 4-hr recording. As I said elsewhere - listen/ read the WHOLE thing or you are peering too closely at the "wood" and completely missing the "tree's". This is but one tiny part - a speculation. The cake is not yet baked. ;)

I did listen to the whole thing, KiwiElf, and heard Drake lie.

[KiwiElf]

You've never told a lie? It's really irrelevant whether he did or not. RIGHT NOW he may not be associated even if he WAS previously. Your "opinion" is valid - but no less or more than anyone elses. :)

[modwiz]

Since we're mentioning Dragons, how about a:

15922

Do not feed them. I wonder who left 'the gate' open?

[Chester]

Sure Ishtar - apologies for the vagueness -
OK - Just because someone may have been a member of a Dragon society does not mean that person hasn't moved on. I know an ex-mason for example. It's not fair to assume once a member of a society you are always a member. Most Dragon societies I know of don't make you a member for life or threaten you with death if you leave. Sometimes one just realizes they get all they need by direct connection and they go solo. Some Wiccans are solitaire's and practice alone. Same could be true for Drake now and wouldn't surprise me at all. Once you get direct, you don't need that extra identification.

on another note - regarding Drake - I think one has to listen to his broadcasts with your heart and your mind but mostly your gut - listen to how he comes across and make up your own mind if you can trust him or not. I trust Drake but that's just me and my gut feeling. I don't get the feeling he is another Charles.

Could he be taken for a ride? Well, that's possible, but I don't think he's that gullible - this means too much and is far too big for anyone to just make up or to be taken for a ride.

Could there be someone higher in the food chain there that could be a bad guy and have set so many of the military and alphabets up to fall for this? Perhaps but my gut doesn't lean that way and what's left of my brain doesn't think that's very possible, but I have an advantage in knowing a few white hats on the inside so that helps in my discernment.

anyways sorry I did not respond faster, Ishtar - I was reading your excellent posts on The Serpent Cult!

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Then there are some that go so low. :rolleyes:

hahahahahaha

[Calz]

Since we're mentioning Dragons, how about a:

15923

Do not feed them. I wonder who left 'the gate' open?

http://www.pic4ever.com/images/meatballs.gif

http://www.dragons-eye.com/dragon-eating-mason.jpg

[KiwiElf]

I don't think Mozart will mind, but here are his relevant comments in reply to a question in another post. The key reference to Project Looking Glass:


Posted by AlternativeInfoJunkie (here)

One more question real quick. How do you know that about the good ETs beating the bad ETs and coming to help save us from the bad ones? I'm not questioning your integrity. I believe that you are being sincere. I'm just curious how you became sure that that will be the eventual outcome.

AIJ ~



MOZART: Thank you for your sincere question and it's a perfectly reasonable one.


My certainty of the positive outcome of our world by the end of 2012 is the gestalt sum of the totality of all the information that I've received/learned to date, which has led me to not just believe, but know with a high degree of certainty that our outcome will be a very positive one.


I will list some, but not all of the factors and I'll focus on the idea of positive outcomes, as well as the ETs:


1) The Ra Material. The information in the Ra Material is so astonishingly deep, powerful and uplifting. It assures us that the outcome of the changes of our world will be very positive. It has yet to be found to have an error of any kind, despite 30 years of researchers checking it out and comparing it to the real world.

Just about every single new scientific breakthrough that has happened in the last few decades have supported the scientific information in the Ra Material.

http://www.lawofone.info/



2) David Wilcock's website, information, books and 12-year-long friendship. I've long studied Wilcock's information -- both spiritual and scientific -- and his information has always strongly trended towards positive outcomes, despite how bad things seemed to be out there in the world.

Time after time, the more positive outcomes happened, rather than the really dark, really horrible outcomes have happened ... after David had shared his views on pending events shortly before they'd happen. Wilcock's scientific information dovetails perfectly with the Ra Material, which is also Wilcock's foundation for POV of life.



3) The totality of my reading, research and exploring the realms of life, consciousness and earth changes. I once strongly believed in the idea of massive earth changes, including pole shifts, massive land-mass changes, etc, but around the year 2000, I started to shift decisively away from dark earth changes to far more positive outcomes as I started to really absorb the information from the Ra Material, Wilcock's scientific information, my own research, etc.



4) The information from the higher beings and my own Higher Self has consistently pointed towards positive futures, so I felt far better when I went in these directions, than the dark directions of fear porn.



5) Project Looking Glass -- showed consistently that Timeline One would happen, not Timeline Two. Timeline One is the one that our world would undergo a significant, massive and very positive changes for the better for the common people in the world.

Timeline Two is the dark, catastrophic changes that the dark bastards wanted, so they tried EVERYTHING to make Timeline Two happen, but despite their strong efforts to try to FORCE Timeline Two to happen, they simply could not keep it alive and were totally dismayed to see it fading away every day while the positive Timeline One got stronger every single day, like a fast-growing pot plant that was robust and very much alive.



6) And the lack of really nasty, negative events in the world. If you think that things could not be worse, you are mistaken, as things in the world could very, VERY easily be far, FAR worse ... yet, here we are, in a fairly balanced world that has a rough balance of negative and positive experiences for the world as a whole with an emphasis on the negative perceptions, yet now the pendulum is swinging strongly towards the positive end of the experiential spectrum, thus making Timeline One to become a full-blown reality for everyone on Earth, not just a privileged few.



7) ETs have come to our rescue. The calvary has arrived, thank God, as without them, we would have been cooked, completely cooked, both recently and a long time ago. The ETs are very, very active in assisting us and you'd be astonished to what degree of them assisting and directly intervening on our behalf, as well as quiet assistance over the last several centuries. But they will soon go from direct interventions to full-blown public appearances sometime this year.

The ETs have maintained a quarantine around our planet, so they are able to keep the bad guy ETs out. The vast majority of real ET UFOs out there are the good-guy ETs, not the bad guys; however, the vast majority of sighted UFOs (there's a difference between sighted UFOs and the total number of actual, real ET UFOs, understand) are those of reverse-engineered, Black-Op-built UFO craft that have been built and are flown by humans.



8) And many more reasons.



It's going to be an awesome ride once the damn dark bastard elites are defeated PUBLICLY. Once their dam of denial breaks, the tsunami of truth, facts, true information, monetary abundance, hidden free energy devices, etc, that will come flooding out will astonish the world and this will happen soon, very soon ... well before this Spring is over.


I have NO doubt whatsoever that We the People of the world will win.

[Ishtar]

Aaaah, justoneman, I see...there's quite a lot there...

I have several things to say to that....

First of all, it's actually really difficult to leave one of these groups if they are real and have some deep and hidden magical knowledge to offer. As I'm sure you know, 'occult' means 'hidden', and so it's hidden deep.

Wiccans are not the same thing at all as these Dragon Groups .. the Wiccans are comparatively new.

But if Drake's Dragon Group is one with any substance to it, he will have have to have taken oaths not to leave, and that's treated very seriously. This is because they won't reveal the magical secrets to anyone who won't bind themselves in perpetuity to the group.

There are other groups which don't require this, but then... they don't really have much knowledge or power to impart. Seems to be a rule of thumb, in my experience.

The other real solo fliers, as far as I can see, are those that practice the much older shamanic ways of contacting the spirits. I was reflecting on this yesterday, how odd it feels to be against the status quo and also against this proposed revolution. Talk about solo flier! I wondered if it's more difficult for a man to take a solo stance, because I think men are more clubable than women?

However, I don't require Drake to have left his Dragon Group because, as stated by several posters in this thread, being involved in one of these groups is not necessarily a bad thing.

My point was, I expect him to tell the truth.

I did listen to most of that five-hour broadcast and for me, it wasn't particularly enlightening as much of what he talks about is common currency to anyone who's been walking the shamanic path. We work with Gaia, the spirit of the Earth, and we respect of all life, and we try to always find natural solutions to all our problems by going to the herbs provided by Mother Nature rather than pharma products. I've also been campaigning vigorously about Monsanto and chemtrails.

So there was nothing new there for me (although I was glad to hear that knowledge being disseminated to an audience that may be new to this material) and so it was quite hard to keep awake... but I did wake up when that guy came back in unexpectedly through the 'back door' saying that Drake hadn't answered his question about being a member of a Dragon society, and then heard Deathra trying to get rid of him by saying that Drake had answered the question and the guy protesting 'no he hadn't', and then Drake suddenly replying 'No' quite gruffly.

So this means that he lied ... and even if he had left (doubtful) it would have been an opportunity to explain that he used to be linked to a Dragon Society, but is no longer. He didn't do that.... and that is telling. What else is he trying to hide?

Finally, KiwiElf, you said: "....Your "opinion" is valid - but no less or more than anyone elses. :).."

Of course. I never assumed otherwise. ;)

[Chester]

Aaaah, justoneman, I see...there's quite a lot there...

I have several things to say to that....

...but I did wake up when that guy came back in unexpectedly through the 'back door' saying that Drake hadn't answered his question about being a member of a Dragon society, and then heard Deathra trying to get rid of him by saying that Drake had answered the question and the guy protesting 'no he hadn't', and then Drake suddenly replying 'No' quite gruffly.

So this means that he lied ... and even if he had left (doubtful) it would have been an opportunity to explain that he used to be linked to a Dragon Society, but is no longer. He didn't do that.... and that is telling. What else is he trying to hide?

I heard the same broadcast as you, I also heard Drake try and answer the original question in a complex way - part of that explanation included his reference to dabbling in the dark side or something to that effect - which I took to mean studying black magic and perhaps demonology area that is a part of the occult - thus I did not see him as lying at all when later, when he was put further on the spot and Deatra seemed to try and protect him, Drake actually interjected his No answer and that is when I concluded that he had moved on from his formal affiliations from any groups he may have joined.

I also have to disagree with you regarding the ability to leave a Dragon society. It can be done.

I will add that anyone can tap the "direct resource" we all have within - some may have more capacity than others in ability to access this resource, but every one of these societies that supposedly hold secret knowledge which they will make privy to you but only upon swearing eternal allegiance with threats you will be chased throughout eternity if you dare leave can never reveal more than what each of us already holds within... are to me, full of BS - anyone can change their mind any time they want to.

As for magic - think about this one, how evolved at the soul level is anyone who uses magic to impose their intent upon another? I far more respect someone who would just walk up and express the way they think things should be than go around behind our backs and use magic to impose their intent. That's part of what we are here to transcend IMO but hey, what do I know anyways. Opinion... I probably should have kept to myself, but its late and I get impatient.

Again, great research Ishtar at Ishtargate - justonetiredman

[KiwiElf]

A thought ... a bit beyond Drake...

There are many "Drakes" out there working for the same ONE overriding cause. The world & it's people are saying "we've had enough". Critical Mass. Tipping Point. It is the overall "momentum" which is NOW occurring. It has been happening for quite some time. Only now it is manifesting in greater ways within our collective realities.

This IS the change. It is happening now. There are a zillion little possibilities to this over the next few weeks, months and years simply because they haven't actually manifested yet. That is the future.

It is also all about timing. Charles was a relatively local "event". (Nonetheless, if you so choose, this "negative event" can be a positive thing. We grow. What did you/we learn from this experience? Each of you will have a unique perspective on that - that is your reality - your "perspective").
But Charles was Charles & Drake - and the timing - is different. (Again, check out Project Looking Glass)

This is much bigger and it has an exponentially larger momentum. This is global. Things have changed.

Almost every religious, prophetical, cultural & scientific paradigm is converging to this point in time...

Go with "your" flow. ...and enjoy the ride ;)

[Watching from Cyprus]

Thank you all for very interesting and mind boggling posts. This is not about who is right or who is wrong, but about together searching and hopefully find the truth, which is the reason we are here, isn't it!

Fact is WE HAVE TO OPPOSE THE ELITE/CABAL, and the best and fastest way to do so, is to crash the banking system, by emptying your bank accounts (I understand most are debt slaves and cant do so but they will benefit when the rest of us take what we can out NOW) . Also it is to be understood that most likely the Dollar will be dead by end of this year and so will the Euro. Who ever has income in either of these currencies, should get some physical Silver to get through the transition period (there will quickly come a time when Silver or Gold cannot be used either to buy food etc since Metal cannot be eaten). The Chinese are buying up all the Gold they can with the trillions of Dollars they have on hand, and their plan is to back the Renmimbi 100% with Gold so it becomes the worlds new reference currency. It would be an idea to exchange the majority of your USD and EUR to Renmimbi and hold in cash close by (not in the bank).

Sorry i got carried away ;-)

In Truth Honesty and Love
Peter

[Ishtar]

Hi Justoneman

It's true, we can all tap into that direct source within, and this is what I always encourage people to try to do.

The shaman goes within, in trance, to meet with the spirits in their own dimensions. The Illuminati groups work by ritual to evoke, in other words, try to bring the spirit through the veils into this dimension. There is no trance involved, and nobody leaves this dimension.That is the main difference between the two practices and to evoke spirits within rituals, you need more than one practitioner... you need, usually, at least around six or seven ...sometimes more. It is ritual-based practice, and so in that scenario, you don't have any power as a lone Dragon, because you're unable to bring them through the Veil alone. You need the cooperation of others also trained in the same way.

I'm very glad that you heard that relevant bit of the interview because I was beginning to wonder if I'm dreamed it. I take your point also about Drake answering the question in a complex way ... and respect your point of view. However, I take the view that it was a means to dissemble, in other words, move the goal posts of the question... otherwise, why not just answer the question directly? Yes or no. But that's just my opinion.

[KiwiElf]

This "story" - this metaphor - was told in Peter Pan, and in STAR TREK, STAR WARS, Lord of the Rings, and particularly in AVATAR... the overall "principle" is the same - that's what Drake is getting at, perhaps? ;)

[sdv]

Thanks Vivek. My opinion is that he is following a personal agenda and is not linked to or carrying out the orders of any group other than what he has created. What concerns me about all his lies, half truths and stories is that he can be dangerous and cause suffering. He has easily found followers who defend him and believe everything he says, without requiring verification or using discernment or own thinking (to me, this is what mind control is). How far will he go? What will he require people to do?

[KiwiElf]

Thanks Vivek. My opinion is that he is following a personal agenda and is not linked to or carrying out the orders of any group other than what he has created. What concerns me about all his lies, half truths and stories is that he can be dangerous and cause suffering. He has easily found followers who defend him and believe everything he says, without requiring verification or using discernment or own thinking (to me, this is what mind control is). How far will he go? What will he require people to do?

Your opinion, and mine, and everyone else on here is selective perception (google it! hehe). ie, We all see what we want to see... and we are all "guilty" of it. That is human nature. It is also how we learn :)

[David Trd1]

Been offline for a while and just caught up with Drake and wilcocks latest.

Immense post.thorough and thought provoking.Discussions like these are the reason i joined avalon.

Thank you.

[Billy]

Where to start? … I am presenting this information in neutrality as I am currently walking the line between revelation and disillusionment. TRUTH IS ALL THAT MATTERS.


I will leave you with this...

Posted by Drake on Humanity Healing in 2008:


I am, and have been a Rainbow Warrior most of my life. As such I am the defender few experience and fewer 'see'. I am the one standing between those who misuse their powers that visit the innocent in dreams. I was commissioned through ceremony, recomended by the lesser gods to the greater gods, and given great understandings, those beyond most comprehension.As such I will stand my post to be called when needed.
Because of this I am attempting to offer information to be heralded through-out mankind, that man might once again be free to enjoy peace.
Due to my position I have been very busy in efforts to start a world wide peace process involving Iraq and the middle east. The opening of dialog with all our fellow earthlings is just the beginning. There is a great deal more to come. I am a licensed counselor of a different sort. I do not get into a persons head. Rather I give them the tools needed for them to heal themselves. My primary areas are P.T.S.D. for veterans and families in distress. My system works on any kind of stress from any source.
I hope this clearifies what is presented here.
I have been given permission to illucidate on being a light being.This will be a part of my final posting for these purposes.

I really could have bolded that whole quote.


Fire up your search engines.


Thank you Vivek for your research and efforts. Personally i feel at this stage of the game why so many are so interested in WHO Drake is. I agree that transparency is the way foreward but only if innocent lives are not put in danger.

That said i would suppose that those that chose to follow the darkways by oaths will know exactly who Drake is.

When reading the above post it sent tingles up my spine. It seemed to come from or resonated with Enoch. When the fallen watchers asked Enoch to intercede for them on their behalf. But not because of the fall but because of the OATH they made to " Do this thing" Only to be told " I think in Drakes own words " correct me if i am wrong. " You chose the bike now start cycling" or another way. " You have made your bed now sleep in it"

I hope you do not think what i am going to post here is off topic. But for me At this stage of the game this is so significant and a reminder to those who decided to choose through their Oath to follow their plan of darkness.

Is Drake the one who intercedes at the end of times. Can Humanity forgive where the God of old could not. Is this our mission? A way to bring all the protical sons back home to the universal family of love. Just my thoughts.

Peace



Quote from the book of Enoch.

XII-XVI. Dream Vision of Enoch: his intercession for Azâzêl and the fallen Angels: and his announcement to them of their first and final doom.
CHAPTER XII.
1. Before these things Enoch was hidden, and no one of the children of men knew where he was hidden, and where he abode, and what had become of him.
2. And his activities had to do with the Watchers, and his days were with the holy ones.
3. And I, Enoch was blessing the Lord of majesty and the King of the ages, and lo! the Watchers called me--Enoch the scribe--and said to me:

4. 'Enoch, thou scribe of righteousness, go, †declare† to the Watchers of the heaven who have left the high heaven, the holy eternal place, and have defiled themselves with women, and have done as the children of earth do, and have taken unto themselves wives: "Ye have wrought great destruction on the earth:
5. And ye shall have no peace nor forgiveness of sin: and inasmuch as †they† delight themselves in †their† children,
6. The murder of †their† beloved ones shall †they† see, and over the destruction of †their† children shall †they† lament, and shall make supplication unto eternity, but mercy and peace shall ye not attain."'
CHAPTER XIII.
1. And Enoch went and said: 'Azâzêl, thou shalt have no peace: a severe sentence has gone forth against thee to put thee in bonds:
2. And thou shalt not have toleration nor †request† granted to thee, because of the unrighteousness which thou hast taught, and because of all the works of godlessness and unrighteousness and sin which thou hast shown to men.'

3. Then I went and spoke to them all together, and they were all afraid, and fear and trembling seized them.
4. And they besought me to draw up a petition for them that they might find forgiveness, and to read their petition in the presence of the Lord of heaven.

5. For from thenceforward they could not speak (with Him) nor lift up their eyes to heaven for shame of their sins for which they had been condemned.
6. Then I wrote out their petition, and the prayer in regard to their spirits and their deeds individually and in regard to their requests that they should have forgiveness and length of days†.
7. And I went off and sat down at the waters of Dan, in the land of Dan, to the south of the west of Hermon: I read their petition till I fell asleep.

8. And behold a dream came to me, and visions fell down upon me, and I saw visions of chastisement, and a voice came bidding (me) I to tell it to the sons of heaven, and reprimand them.
9. And when I awaked, I came unto them, and they were all sitting gathered together, weeping in ’Abelsjâîl, which is between Lebanon and Sênêsêr, with their faces covered.
10. And I recounted before them all the visions which I had seen in sleep, and I began to speak the words of righteousness, and to reprimand the heavenly Watchers.


CHAPTER XIV.
1. The book of the words of righteousness, and of the reprimand of the eternal Watchers in accordance with the command of the Holy Great One in that vision.

2. I saw in my sleep what I will now say with a tongue of flesh and with the breath of my mouth: which the Great One has given to men to converse therewith and understand with the heart.
3. As He has created and given to man the power of understanding the word of wisdom, so hath He created me also and given me the power of reprimanding the Watchers, the children of heaven.
4. I wrote out your petition, and in my vision it appeared thus, that your petition will not be granted unto you throughout all the days of eternity, and that judgement has been finally passed upon you: yea (your petition) will not be granted unto you.
5. And from henceforth you shall not ascend into heaven unto all eternity, and in bonds of the earth the decree has gone forth to bind you for all the days of the world.
6. And (that) previously you shall have seen the destruction of your beloved sons and ye shall have no pleasure in them, but they shall fall before you by the sword.
7. And your petition on their behalf shall not be granted, nor yet on your own: even though you weep and pray and speak all the words contained in the writing which I have written.

Peace

[GoodETxSG]

Just a note (from http://nexusilluminati.blogspot.com/2012/03/star-fire-gold-of-gods.html):

In the old Hebrew Bibles, all references to serpents are made by use of the word nahash (from the stem NHSH); but this usage does not relate to serpents in the way that we would know them - that is, as venomous snakes. It relates to serpents in their traditional capacity as bringers of wisdom and enlightenment, for the word nahash actually means 'to decipher' or 'to find out'.


From my research there are three meanings for Nachash and it depends on where the dots and tittles are placed. For instance in Genesis in the garden of Eden, the word is not Snake at all, but shining one. Shining one links back to the idea of Illumination and Satan mascarading as an Angel (Messenger) of Light. The really hard part is in understanding where the light is coming from, and is it really ultimately for our good or just to gain more control. Many people are stressed and dislike it when they are given hope based on a story and someone else comes along and shows the holes in the story. That's a lot of what I am seeing with Drake.

He has some pretty amazing writings about healing and such which most people I have associated with align their thoughts to as well. I am going to continue to dig and find out more about this particular Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon. There is some very interesting stuff on the Dragon bloodline which interestingly Constantine came from and the Catholic Church uses his apparent bestowing of his authority on them to carry out what they do based on that authority.

These are some sites I have been reading on and quite frankly I had to take a break since last night's searching in the Dragon bloodline as it just gets a bit much:

http://drakenberg.weebly.com/

I'm not a big fan of wiki, but there was this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Dragon

This particular info was a lot to read, but well worth it:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dragons2/esp_sociopol_lordring07.htm

I took this quote as interesting:

* Drakenberg is the legally recognized name of the Nation State of the Dragon Peoples. Drakenberg was officially recognized by default in 1997, by one Western Government. The Dragons wanted to see whether they could get their old enemies to recognize the Kingdom of the Elves, they having spent 1000 years attempting to eradicate all trace of it from the public consciousness. The exercise was successful and Drakenberg - The Dragon Sovereignty - (Lothlorien, if you like) exists with all the powers of an incorporeal state of peoples as defined by the United Nations. Essentially therefore, being an Elf or a Dragon is a recognized nationality! This was a serious political move undertaken for serious environmental and social reasons. Enquiries in this regard concerning DNA tests should be directed to Dragoncourt.org (http://www.dragoncourt.org/).
(Dragoncourt.org link does not work)

The name changes, the history changes regarding the names was a lot to go through which I did find very interesting. Are some of us more "gifted" naturally and thus bloodlines matter and that's why the families were so careful? Then instead of being Kings and Queens who brought blessings and took care of their people, they became corrupted and desired to be worshipped and/or just keep the people down and as their servants. They have lost their right to lead because of their abusive ways. It is time for change, and it is coming.

This is the content page which was well worth the read:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dragons2/esp_sociopol_lordring.htm

I see this sovereignty issue tied to the Dragon bloodline and thus it may be a big part of Drake's push as well.


I am impressed, VERY WELL Researched... When I was a Psychology/Religion Major I studied ancient Greek and Hebrew and have always been miffed at how people literalize and interpret some of the words by changing the meaning to the closest "word/context" that makes sense to them in their 19th/20th/21st Century understandings or religious backgrounds. I would be curious to know your background. Good catch on “Shinning One(s)”. I did a paper on a similar subject that was not well received in my religious university in Oklahoma. Good work.

[Ishtar]

Just so's people can make up their own minds, Drake's denial of Dragon membership is 40 mins into 22A. http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archive/download.php?id=Deatra_Drake (http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archive/download.php?id=Deatra_Drake)

[YvonneG]

I have studied the work of Dr. Emoto, Japanese scientist who has done amazing working with water. He has a photo of a dragon image forming on the waters during a tragedy, no sure if it was Katrina? Can't remember. A dragon is a mythical creature not related to a serpent.

To the Chinese a dragon is an auspicious creature. The fact that Drake means Dragon for the majority of the world would be a very good thing.

He is what wiki says:

Chinese dragon is a mythical creature in Chinese mythology and folklore, with mythic counterparts among Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Bhutanese, Western and Turkic dragons. In Chinese art, dragons are typically portrayed as long, scaled, serpentine creatures with four legs. In yin and yang terminology, a dragon is yang and complements a yin fenghuang ("Chinese phoenix").

In contrast to European dragons, which are considered evil, Chinese dragons traditionally symbolize potent and auspicious powers, particularly control over water, rainfall, hurricane, and floods. The dragon is also a symbol of power, strength, and good luck. With this, the Emperor of China usually used the dragon as a symbol of his imperial power.

I will try to find the photo later with the Dr. Emoto's comments.

There is so much that most of us don't understand because we (including myself) have looked through our culture's glasses and for the most part, our media has helped to be quite blind indeed. Drake is a very wise man from what I can tell--whoever he is. He also loves the Earth, which is a big thing for me.

[Jeffrey]

I have studied the work of Dr. Emoto, Japanese scientist who has done amazing working with water. He has a photo of a dragon image forming on the waters during a tragedy, no sure if it was Katrina? Can't remember. A dragon is a mythical creature not related to a serpent.

To the Chinese a dragon is an auspicious creature. The fact that Drake means Dragon for the majority of the world would be a very good thing.

He is what wiki says:

Chinese dragon is a mythical creature in Chinese mythology and folklore, with mythic counterparts among Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Bhutanese, Western and Turkic dragons. In Chinese art, dragons are typically portrayed as long, scaled, serpentine creatures with four legs. In yin and yang terminology, a dragon is yang and complements a yin fenghuang ("Chinese phoenix").

In contrast to European dragons, which are considered evil, Chinese dragons traditionally symbolize potent and auspicious powers, particularly control over water, rainfall, hurricane, and floods. The dragon is also a symbol of power, strength, and good luck. With this, the Emperor of China usually used the dragon as a symbol of his imperial power.

I will try to find the photo later with the Dr. Emoto's comments.

There is so much that most of us don't understand because we (including myself) have looked through our culture's glasses and for the most part, our media has helped to be quite blind indeed. Drake is a very wise man from what I can tell--whoever he is. He also loves the Earth, which is a big thing for me.

I think it's important to distiquish etymology from archetype when we are talking about Dragons here.

[GoodETxSG]

I am not sure what to make of this information about "Drake" or what to make of the man himself...

There are a lot of "DRAKE" names popping up all over the place... and this is a common tactic used to discredit. I am not saying the Drake from the interview is a Positive or Negative person, just sharing tactics of a former counter Intel "Student".

Other tactics would also include (If I found his full name and personal info w/is not hard) would "Create Memberships" on Kiddie Porn or other off putting sites, membership at controversial groups or posting on their forums with the real personal info, planting info on his computers or in his Home/Car and then sending the police with search warrants out to greet him etc...

Dis-info and Counter Intel is the SECOND oldest profession (As they like to say) and is a well developed art. You cannot really ever KNOW the facts of ANYTHING for sure unless you see it... then if you see it you can only trust so much of what your eyes funnel into your brain and how it is then assimilated.

Even though this is a lot of info coming out, it is only the tip top of the ice berg. I have a feeling when all of this does come about people are going to be popping Xanax like tic tacs.

EDIT: You are also probably aware that these types of agents ARE on these sites and forums all day every day and are also among the people that post in these types of blogs... and NO I am not one of them... ;)

[grannyfranny100]

Thank you Vivek for your research and efforts. Drake doesn't sound well enough grounded in reality to pull off the complexities of which he speaks. If the military was planning to pull off an operation as described, it would require computer scenarios and numerous top secret meetings. Why would they have a front man alerting the good and bad guys? He talks of rounding up the bad guys with sheriffs who are under the federal jurisdiction of Homeland Security but he says they will take direction from the military and give orders to local police. A few airport pat downs, makes this sound rather irrational to me. Instead he sounds like a very very lonely FL widower escaping into magical thinking to fill a void of powerlessness he feels. He seems to be remembering his prime days in the military, mixing in fantasies of being a physicist, L.O.R.D, a la a Schizotypal personality disorder.

[Chester]

Hi Justoneman

It's true, we can all tap into that direct source within, and this is what I always encourage people to try to do.

The shaman goes within, in trance, to meet with the spirits in their own dimensions.

Hi Ishtar - I finally had to sleep as it was near 5 AM my time -

I understand your distinctions quiet clearly as to those who use group ritual as opposed to a shaman that journeys within. I also realize you have done a great deal of research of the Dragon paths and I sense you may have chosen a shamanic path for yourself.

All I suggest (and this is from my gut as well as based on my own personal experience) is that Drake may have traveled a long road that carried him through the experience of Dragon societies only to emerge from that - due to its own limitations (Modwiz addressed this point well in a previous post - essentially that group think can be limiting).

So my questions to Ishtar specifically and anyone else that has thoughts along these lines are:

Could it be possible that Drake is now living his experience in the form one might label as shamanic?

If not why would that not be possible?

I am really hoping, Ishtar, to get your direct feedback to this direct question as right now I have a sense that you do not believe this is possible.

I finished reading through your posts in ishtargate and compliment you on your research. justoneman

[Chester]

Thanks Vivek. My opinion is that he is following a personal agenda and is not linked to or carrying out the orders of any group other than what he has created. What concerns me about all his lies, half truths and stories is that he can be dangerous and cause suffering. He has easily found followers who defend him and believe everything he says, without requiring verification or using discernment or own thinking (to me, this is what mind control is). How far will he go? What will he require people to do?

I doubt very seriously that Drake is making all this up - far too many that are in the loop have vetted Drake and far too many are involved with various elements of this unfolding story.

Now, could Drake, David Wilcock (the two public figures) as well as the several military (current and former) as well as alphabets (current and former) as well as other insiders who have proven (at least up until now) they are the real deal to Drake and Wilcock who Drake and David Wilcock purport they are in contact with all be set up? It is surely possible. My gut (but this may just be my hope) says this is unlikely.

I will say that when Bill Ryan weighed in - "I sobered up a bit from my original pink cloud." Also, many other posts have impacted my "hope meter." I am prepared for any truth as I respect Bill tremendously, he has immense experience (far more than I likely ever will) with these things and he had the Charles experience specifically. So the fact that Bill basically says "he smells a rat" and suggests we be very cautious with this Drake stuff means a great deal to me. I also respect most of the posters who have spent time on this subject and appreciate all views.

Having said all that - It is far better to be prepared if this Plan goes to significant operational stages such that us folk down here at what I call Tier 2 level can be of help.

This is my primary focus and is the motivation behind all my posts related to Drake. I never want to experience a.) which is the irreversible end game nor leave that fate to my children, my loved ones, and everyone else for that matter.

[Fred Steeves]

Some observations from the original Wilcock interview:

I found it interesting to hear David talking like a tough guy about not being afraid to die and such. Me thinks that's like closing the barn door after the horses have already run off.

Interesting and quite possible scenario of a split military. Don't know how one could possibly predict which way that might roll though, too many variables, so his assurances that it's going to be just hunky dory if we see American troops on our city streets are not very re-assuring. I'll make my own determination if/when that should happen, and then proceed accordingly from there.

The mass arrest thing. For the life of me I can't imagine why you would give "the bad guys" a heads up that you're coming to get them. I'm no military strategist, but I reckon West Point doesn't teach it's a good idea to strike up the band when you're about to pounce on the enemy.

Why does he lend creedence to the U.N. and the International Court at The Hague? We need THEIR blessings to establish our sovereignty? I think not.

Now, I just want to finish by saying that my skepticism doesn't necessarily mean I think Drake is a plant, a bad guy, or whatever. He could be, could not be. Good and well meaning people can suddenly find themselves with a platform to spread their message, if in the long run it happens to favor the existing power structure. Glenn Beck comes to mind. The most truth you'll hear on the radio, outside of Alex Jones of course, but in the end he leads his listeners right down a big fat dead end.

And lastly, while we're busy waiting to see what Drake has to say next, and be apprised of how "the plan" is proceeding, we're not looking at how WE can be the change we want to see in this world.

I'm not trying to please anyone here, or piss anyone off. Just calling it like I see it.:wave:

Cheers All,
Fred

[Billy]

I will say that when Bill Ryan weighed in - "I sobered up a bit from my original pink cloud." Also, many other posts have impacted my "hope meter." I am prepared for any truth as I respect Bill tremendously, he has immense experience (far more than I likely ever will) with these things and he had the Charles experience specifically. So the fact that Bill basically says "he smells a rat" and suggests we be very cautious with this Drake stuff means a great deal to me. I also respect most of the posters who have spent time on this subject and appreciate all views.



Is this your own perspective of how Bill Ryan perceives Drake or has Bill commented somewhere?
Considering we are never more than 1 meter away from a Rat, Bill may have just "liked" the research that the OP brought forward.

As always move forward with caution.

peace

[Ishtar]

Could it be possible that Drake is now living his experience in the form one might label as shamanic?

If not why would that not be possible?

I am really hoping, Ishtar, to get your direct feedback to this direct question as right now I have a sense that you do not believe this is possible.

I finished reading through your posts in ishtarsgate and compliment you on your research. justoneman

Hi justoneman,

Glad to hear you're feeling refreshed.

I'd like to answer your question but I wouldn't be able to give you anything of much worth, because in a sea of possibilities, anything is possible but without any firm knowledge about Drake's spiritual path, how can anyone say?

That's why I think Vivek's done such an excellent job here, in digging up his past, so that at least we know something more about this voice on the radio giving us instructions about what to do when they mount their coup. That way, people can make their own decisions.

I will say this, though.

The shamanic way is the birthright of every single one of us.

Anyone can learn to journey like a shaman, because man naturally used to do that without thinking twice about it, tens of thousands of years ago. It's in our anatomy, in our physiology and in our DNA. It's our's by right. Yes, we are a bit rusty now...after several millennia of repression and suppression. But we still have the necessary bits inside to claim our birthright, which is to journey within the Three Worlds (or dimensions) and meet with the loving and benevolent entities (or spirits) there who give us guidance, information and healing... and whatever else is necessary ... and then we bring it back to our tribe or our community.

So yes, Drake could be a shaman... but he hasn't yet said anything that would indicate to me that he is.

[TargeT]

Thanks Vivek. My opinion is that he is following a personal agenda and is not linked to or carrying out the orders of any group other than what he has created. What concerns me about all his lies, half truths and stories is that he can be dangerous and cause suffering. He has easily found followers who defend him and believe everything he says, without requiring verification or using discernment or own thinking (to me, this is what mind control is). How far will he go? What will he require people to do?

I doubt very seriously that Drake is making all this up - far too many that are in the loop have vetted Drake and far too many are involved with various elements of this unfolding story.

Now, could Drake, David Wilcock (the two public figures) as well as the several military (current and former) as well as alphabets (current and former) as well as other insiders who have proven (at least up until now) they are the real deal to Drake and Wilcock who Drake and David Wilcock purport they are in contact with all be set up? It is surely possible. My gut (but this may just be my hope) says this is unlikely.

I will say that when Bill Ryan weighed in - "I sobered up a bit from my original pink cloud." Also, many other posts have impacted my "hope meter." I am prepared for any truth as I respect Bill tremendously, he has immense experience (far more than I likely ever will) with these things and he had the Charles experience specifically. So the fact that Bill basically says "he smells a rat" and suggests we be very cautious with this Drake stuff means a great deal to me. I also respect most of the posters who have spent time on this subject and appreciate all views.

Having said all that - It is far better to be prepared if this Plan goes to significant operational stages such that us folk down here at what I call Tier 2 level can be of help.

This is my primary focus and is the motivation behind all my posts related to Drake. I never want to experience a.) which is the irreversible end game nor leave that fate to my children, my loved ones, and everyone else for that matter.

Please name one person that can be verified to fit any of those descriptions, it is VERY easy to find public records on former (or current) military members & quite often members of CIA,NSA, FBI etc also; I have not heard of ONE verifiable source (individual or otherwise) that corroborates any of this information; you seem to be saying this is not the case.

what I have seen is "internet celeb.s" verifying each other, wilcock verifies fulford, both verify drake, drake verifies both, and round and round we go.... selective perception, hope, ego, these all twist our minds into acceptance of ideas that may not be acceptable to others based on the same information, I understand that and don't discount what I'm hearing just because I'm skeptical, but I have not seen what you hint at here, not at all (and I've been looking).

I know what I say is very contrary to "popular belief" here on P.A.; but that shouldn't (and doesn't) influence truth or the seeking of it; if I am incorrect or have missed something please point me in the right direction.


warm & fuzzy "love" and "intent" aside... we don't need a false cheerleader (drake, if he is indeed "false") to lead our intent or to help us care for / help one another... I sense more "sit back and wait for someone else to save you" mentality here, and I understand just how attractive this is to humans; I also think that it is highly damaging and encourages complacency and in-action.... something I am STRONGLY against.

[Ishtar]

Billiji,

Bill Ryan said this here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43077-David-Wilcock-DIVINE-INTERVENTION-Section-I-Defeating-Financial-Tyranny&p=460550#post460550):




Hi, All -- a quick note:

I have to say that I don't believe Drake's testimony. I strongly suspect that David Wilcock is being played to discredit him. If so, this would not be the first time (and certainly not with Ben Fulford, either).

The very idea of announcing 'arrests' beforehand is absurd... if this is all for real. Think of how stakeouts are usually orchestrated. The agencies don't warn the drug gangs prior to the carefully co-ordinated dawn raids.

***

I'm currently traveling, but frequently check the forum for new developments of interest. I also posted this sometime last year: as Mark Twain famously quipped, reports of my death have been somewhat exaggerated.

:)

Warmest regards to everyone, as always -- Bill

[christian]

The mass arrest thing. For the life of me I can't imagine why you would give "the bad guys" a heads up that you're coming to get them. I'm no military strategist, but I reckon West Point doesn't teach it's a good idea to strike up the band when you're about to pounce on the enemy.

It's not appropriate to reveal certain details beforehand. But saying "we'll get you" is like Ali saying "I'll knock you out in round 1". In the business of creating a reality, affirmations, suggestions and assertiveness can be very valuable. The existence of white hats within the system and the formation of a movement that intends to hold "the bad guys" accountable was always a certainty in the bigger picture. Drake is not revealing any secret crucial information about where and when anything happens. One aspect of what he does is doing a war-growl, as do the "globalists" in their ways.

What I particularly like about Drake is that he reminds people, that there are quite some awake and positive people working within the system and in a calming and inspiring way he gets people to consider the possibility of a peaceful transition, that involves holding the perpetrators of our current flawed system accountable. In this way he really helps to plant nice seeds in the minds of men. It's a thin line however, one could argue this scenario does not involve personal responsibility, which is key in our collective evolution, but I didn't notice him saying "we'll fix it for you, you helpless ones", on the contrary I heard him talk about what people can do to be a balancing, stabilizing and creative factor in the whole equation. And I think through discerment one can realize this anyways, that mass arrests are one piece of the puzzle, we filling that power vacuum in a creative and responsible way another.

Sorry for writing off-topic, regarding all the other information about Drake, I have not doublechecked and researched it all yet, but anyways, it's a very intruiging thread and nice to read something from you again Fred :)

[Chester]

Addressing thoughts from Fred Steeves


The mass arrest thing. For the life of me I can't imagine why you would give "the bad guys" a heads up that you're coming to get them. I'm no military strategist, but I reckon West Point doesn't teach it's a good idea to strike up the band when you're about to pounce on the enemy.

My guess on this is that Drake, et al realize that all their planning is already well known and how could it not be with all the eaves dropping capabilities of the NSA and related agencies? So if one accepts that likely reality, then one makes decisions having this likely reality in mind.

The basis for going public is to obtain assistance from us tier 2 individuals. If you think about it, this makes some sense. By Tier 2 folk like us having a heads up, we (who are in better position to discern as to the true intentions based on the actions of sheriffs and marshals - which are only to be backed up by current military - are indeed in line with the objectives of The Plan as opposed to actions that would be taken by these same authorities if we are instead all being set up) we can assist in the operational phases of the Plan once the Big Shoes drop. I might add that the highest level within Tier 2 includes retired military and alphabets, and a plethora of contractors as well as their families who will likely be clued in before the general public.


Why does he lend creedence to the U.N. and the International Court at The Hague? We need THEIR blessings to establish our sovereignty? I think not.

Somehow most folk here do not seem to get this one - This is a notification process - It is meant to be what has been stated to be a key requirement of the 90% to get them further (and perhaps fully) on board.

I will add that (though I have no clue if this has also been considered) This notification puts forth into the public domain energetic field the intention - it is intended for those who are susceptible to these levels of energy intention. Many researches, including David Icke, have alerted us as to how some 'players' within the cabal practice magic thus they believe in this energy manipulation and thus, then are likely susceptible to the same.


And lastly, while we're busy waiting to see what Drake has to say next, and be apprised of how "the plan" is proceeding, we're not looking at how WE can be the change we want to see in this world.

I can only speak for myself, but I do both with the later being my personal primary focus as I live each moment. Being the change does not limit one such that one cannot be proactive.

justone

[Jeffrey]

Could it be possible that Drake is now living his experience in the form one might label as shamanic?

If not why would that not be possible?

I am really hoping, Ishtar, to get your direct feedback to this direct question as right now I have a sense that you do not believe this is possible.

I finished reading through your posts in ishtarsgate and compliment you on your research. justoneman

Hi justoneman,

Glad to hear you're feeling refreshed.

I'd like to answer your question but I wouldn't be able to give you anything of much worth, because in a sea of possibilities, anything is possible but without any firm knowledge about Drake's spiritual path, how can anyone say?

That's why I think Vivek's done such an excellent job here, in digging up his past, so that at least we know something more about this voice on the radio giving us instructions about what to do when they mount their coup. That way, people can make their own decisions.

I will say this, though.

The shamanic way is the birthright of every single one of us.

Anyone can learn to journey like a shaman, because man naturally used to do that without thinking twice about it, tens of thousands of years ago. It's in our anatomy, in our physiology and in our DNA. It's our's by right. Yes, we are a bit rusty now...after several millennia of repression and suppression. But we still have the necessary bits inside to claim our birthright, which is to journey within the Three Worlds (or dimensions) and meet with the loving and benevolent entities (or spirits) there who give us guidance, information and healing... and whatever else is necessary ... and then we bring it back to our tribe or our community.

So yes, Drake could be a shaman... but he hasn't yet said anything that would indicate to me that he is.

Maybe this will help sort some of it out in regards to what y'all are discussing.

Drake said:


We are those who show The Path to others in the ancient tradition of a shaman.

From: http://community.humanityhealing.net/profile/DrakeBailey



I have been trying to post "part 2" but I am literally inundated with information that I haven't had to read with much detail before much less connect the dots.

You all are probably familiar with a lot of it:

Enki and Enlil

The Dragon Court and Order

The Age of Aquarius

The real problem I am having is finding the evidence (sufficient enough for myself) to make the distinctions between underlying agendas/end-game between the two different Illuminati. Light vs dark, good vs evil, etc etc enlightenment vs deception

Did y'all know that there is Qabala (Ha Qabala/QBL) with means enlightenment, and then there is Kabalah (KBL) meaning confusion?

and Lucifer and Satan where two separate beings originally before they both got swept under the name "the Devil"

Sand and sugar

and I found this website very informative:

http://www.halexandria.org/

Also, I couldnt find what Sumerian God was associated with Uranus or Saturn ... nothing definite anyway... anybody?

[Chester]

[QUOTE=justoneman;475022]So yes, Drake could be a shaman... but he hasn't yet said anything that would indicate to me that he is.

I personally doubt a true shaman would ever have to nor would he need to, but what do I know?

and as synchronicity goes, I just noticed in the post above something Vivek found - from Drake


We are those who show The Path to others in the ancient tradition of a shaman.

[Chester]

I cannot think of a single "master" that has ever labeled himself as anything - at least from everything I have ever read. Normally it is everyone else that places labels upon each other. What does that say about us?

[Chester]

Did y'all know that there is Qabala (Ha Qabala/QBL) with means enlightenment, and then there is Kabalah (KBL) meaning confusion?

and Lucifer and Satan where to separate beings originally before they both got swept under the name "the Devil"

points well made - - Thanks Vivek... you have a fan in justone

[Ishtar]

Oh... well, I tell people I'm a shaman, as does Drake in Vivek's post (http://community.humanityhealing.net/profile/DrakeBailey) which I hadn't seen until now. Otherwise, how will they know where to go to get healing or guidance etc? Most people are not mindreaders. ;)

And then there's this bit...



I am known as The Dragon Master, White Dragon, as is stated in the old legend. I still have a few requirements to meet before the great conflict starts.

He was specifically asked about that, and he said No.

Personally, I think the man is full of it!

[WHOMADEGOD]

The mass arrest thing. For the life of me I can't imagine why you would give "the bad guys" a heads up that you're coming to get them. I'm no military strategist, but I reckon West Point doesn't teach it's a good idea to strike up the band when you're about to pounce on the enemy.

It's not appropriate to reveal certain details beforehand. But saying "we'll get you" is like Ali saying "I'll knock you out in round 1". In the business of creating a reality, affirmations, suggestions and assertiveness can be very valuable. The existence of white hats within the system and the formation of a movement that intends to hold "the bad guys" accountable was always a certainty in the bigger picture. Drake is not revealing any secret crucial information about where and when anything happens. One aspect of what he does is doing a war-growl, as do the "globalists" in their ways.

What I particularly like about Drake is that he reminds people, that there are quite some awake and positive people working within the system and in a calming and inspiring way he gets people to consider the possibility of a peaceful transition, that involves holding the perpetrators of our current flawed system accountable. In this way he really helps to plant nice seeds in the minds of men. It's a thin line however, one could argue this scenario does not involve personal responsibility, which is key in our collective evolution, but I didn't notice him saying "we'll fix it for you, you helpless ones", on the contrary I heard him talk about what people can do to be a balancing, stabilizing and creative factor in the whole equation. And I think through discerment one can realize this anyways, that mass arrests are one piece of the puzzle, we filling that power vacuum in a creative and responsible way another.

Sorry for writing off-topic, regarding all the other information about Drake, I have not doublechecked and researched it all yet, but anyways, it's a very intruiging thread and nice to read something from you again Fred :)

My intuition tells me you are correct.

This was never about clandestine strategy, it would of course be rediculous to assume it could remain as such to the point of manouvre.

No, tbis was always a warning for the elite to backdown and accept clemency before the war drums sounds. The ones that can still understand that this is the creators divine right will be helped, the others are of course playing their part in the play for as long as it is required.

[Jeffrey]

I cannot think of a single "master" that has ever labeled himself as anything - at least from everything I have ever read. Normally it is everyone else that places labels upon each other. What does that say about us?

Drake has labeled himself "The White Dragon", "The Dragon Master", and has said that he was "recomended by the lesser gods to the greater gods, and given great understandings, those beyond most comprehension...because of this [he is] attempting to offer information to be heralded through-out mankind, that man might once again be free to enjoy peace."

These are labels. I do not know if they are self appointed or not as I have yet to find any legend/myth that fits what he has described (there is more than what I just quoted). I could come up with a quilt of different themes that I think are interrelated though in order to cover what's been uncovered. If that makes any sense haha

[noprophet]

Did y'all know that there is Qabala (Ha Qabala/QBL) with means enlightenment, and then there is Kabalah (KBL) meaning confusion?

and Lucifer and Satan where to separate beings originally before they both got swept under the name "the Devil"

points well made - - Thanks Vivek... you have a fan in justone

To the best of my knowledge kabbalah simply means "to receive" in hebrew. Qabalah was a variant spelling created by the golden dawn. Probably for elaborate reasons of using gemetria outside the hebrew alphabet.

Where is this translation of confusion derived from?

[Ishtar]

Vivek, the sword and dragon goes back to all the various storm gods who defeated the serpent/python/dragon, by slaying them with a sword.

The first ones are:
Marduk slays Tiamat (Babylonian)
Indra slays Vritra (Vedic)
Thor slays Jormungandr (Norse)
Zeus slays Typhon (Greek)

The more recent Christian ones are St George slaying the dragon, and St Michael slaying the dragon.

By the way, if you're about to plunge into Enki/Enlil et al for the first time, can I suggest you read this first? The Anunnaki and the Fear of the Bogeyman (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?2817-The-Anunnaki-and-the-Fear-of-the-Bogey-man&p=15710#post15710).


http://www.aiwaz.net/uploads/gallery/st-michael-and-the-dragon-2206-mid.jpg

I've always thought it was an astronomical metaphor for an End of Ages (signified by a flood). According to Hamlet's Mill (a must read for understanding astronomy metaphors within ancient myths) it signifies the changing of the astrological age at the precession of the equinoxes. It is usually the Hero who releases the waters of the firmanent, or the flood of milk (Milky Way) from the grip of a sea serpent, or dragon, at the end/beginning of a cycle, so that this birth/death or creation/destruction can take place. The flood is a metaphor for the amniotic sac bursting, dying, to release the waters heralding new life, as it does during human childbirth.

The next change of ages will take place as we go from Pisces into Aquarius. There is much controversy about when those dates actually are, mainly due to various monks screwing up our calendars!

[Billy]

Drake has labeled himself "The White Dragon", "The Dragon Master", and has said that he was "recomended by the lesser gods to the greater gods, and given great understandings, those beyond most comprehension...because of this [he is] attempting to offer information to be heralded through-out mankind, that man might once again be free to enjoy peace."

These are labels. I do not know if they are self appointed or not as I have yet to find any legend/myth that fits what he has described (there is more than what I just quoted). I could come up with a quilt of different themes that I think are interrelated though in order to cover what's been uncovered. If that makes any sense haha

As i mentioned on the previous page. Enoch is the legend/Mythical or factual one who was chosen to intercede between the lesser Gods and Greater Gods.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44252-Who-is-DRAKE-The-Loyal-Order-of-the-Royal-Dragon/page4

I would be very pleased if Drake reads this thread and responded in one of his radio shows . :thumb:

[Fred Steeves]

Also, I couldnt find what Sumerian God was associated with Uranus or Saturn ... nothing definite anyway... anybody?

Hi Vivek, most excellent thread! Thank you for taking the time for all this research, so her's my little contribution if you havent found it already. According to this site,http://www.mallorcaweb.net/masm/mitsat1.htm our old friend Ninurta is the god associated with Saturn. As an aside I found it interesting the word 'Shamah' was also associated with Saturn. Scroll down about half way and you'll see this:

There are other aspects of Ninurta that fit but with our conventional Saturn symbol. Was associated frequently it with the arms, represet&o it to it like an eagle, sometimes an eagle bifronte that watched two opposed sides, image that still is in a the heráldica. Equally difficult to cuadrar with the later tradition it is his solar association: some Roman writers indicate that the mesopotámicos astrologers called to Saturn the Helium star (the Sun) . It reflects one old & dark practice to give the name of Shamah to Saturn, as well as to the Sun Epígenes de Bizancio, approximately 200 a Greek astronomer of a.C., can provide the key to us. It said to have studied in Chaldea, the region of the southern Babylonia that became famous like origin of the astrology. Epígenes taught that Saturn had the Maxima influences on the movements of other celestial bodies, & we can conjecture that that is the reason that Ninurta / Saturn is known him like second Sun .

[Jeffrey]

Ishtar,

Drake has stated that he can create storms. I didn't put the quote in the OP but it is buried in one of the links. Here it is:


...I can cause and direct storms...

Source: http://community.humanityhealing.net/forum/topics/1388889:Topic:65703

The context of the quote was talking about weather warfare and HAARP, you can read all of it if you'd like. I have only pulled what I thought was pertinent to your comment about storm gods.


Vivek, the sword and dragon goes back to all the various storm gods who defeated the serpent/python/dragon, by slaying them with a sword.

I wonder what Drake means when he says he wields the "all facing rainbow sword". My first thought is that this was an astral weapon or something like that. He mentioned his friend "The Guardian of the Gate" as well.

It made me think of Aleister Crowley and the Amalantrah Working and maybe Drake is guarding some interdimensional gate or something? I don't have to believe it... I'm just going off what he himself has written:


To be blunt, only if 'they' can pass by me 'they' will gain access to all the rest of you...like it or not, I was given the all facing rainbow sword. It was inferred with responsibility to defend our existance against those who are the thieves of light. These are few, have limited powers, and seem to like challenging me. The challenges are on several levels, physical realm, psychic, and mental power abilities. To date, I find their best to be lacking and...

Source: http://community.humanityhealing.net/profile/DrakeBailey



Also, I have read about the Annunaki, I just haven't gone as in depth as if I were studying for an exam. Your information is very helpful, thank you.

[Jeffrey]

Did y'all know that there is Qabala (Ha Qabala/QBL) with means enlightenment, and then there is Kabalah (KBL) meaning confusion?

and Lucifer and Satan where to separate beings originally before they both got swept under the name "the Devil"

points well made - - Thanks Vivek... you have a fan in justone

To the best of my knowledge kabbalah simply means "to receive" in hebrew. Qabalah was a variant spelling created by the golden dawn. Probably for elaborate reasons of using gemetria outside the hebrew alphabet.

Where is this translation of confusion derived from?

Hello noprophet,

Thanks for your contribution. Here is the webpage from which I gleaned my information:

http://www.halexandria.org/dward465.htm

And here is an excerpt:


Strictly speaking, according to Gardner, Qabala (or the QBL, meaning “enlightenment”) should not be equated to Kabalah (or the KBL, meaning “confusion”) or worse yet, to the Kabbalah (or KBBL, implying even greater intrigue and twisting). The latter, in fact, is related to the English work, cabal (which is defined as “a secret intrigue, a political clique or faction”). Similarly, the Jewish mystical tradition, the cabala, cabbala, or kabbala, is defined as “mystic interpretation; any esoteric doctrine of occult lore”. One can view the distinctions as two separate movements within mystical thought, one of which, the Ha Qabala, has been largely ignored in recent centuries.

One reason for this is that “Qabalistic masters maintain that it was not the serpent (Enki) [in the Garden of Eden] who was the deceiver as we are led to understand. The deceiver in this instance was Enki’s half-brother, Eloh-Jehovah (Enlil), who said that Adam would die from eating the fruit.” Small wonder that the “confusion” of the Kabalah has taken mainstage over the “enlightenment” of the Ha Qabala. And while Adam was ultimately enlightened by the female (having been prompted by Enki) as to the true circumstances of the eating of the fruit (and thus partially relieved of the deception), the ultimate victims of deceit are the recipients of the corrupted interpretation -- which is the mainstream of Jewish, Christian, and Islamic thought. Enlil’s deception lives on!

This, I think (as I am by far an authority on the subject), is were the truly sacred knowledge of the ancients splits with the perversion that is the "Illuminaughty". I'm probably wearing out the term, but again, sand and sugar.

I've also read that the Age of Aquarius heralds mankinds (meaning man AND women if you follow the etymology) embrace of the intuitive feminine principle of spirituality. Completing the eventuality that was set in motion by eating from the tree of knowledge, lifting the veil of deception/reign of ignorance or something like that.

At least that's where I'm at right now. I'm open to learning more if you care to compare notes.

[GoodETxSG]

I am not sure what to make of this information about "Drake" or what to make of the man himself...

There are a lot of "DRAKE" names popping up all over the place... and this is a common tactic used to discredit. I am not saying the Drake from the interview is a Positive or Negative person, just sharing tactics of a former counter Intel "Student".

Other tactics would also include (If I found his full name and personal info w/is not hard) would "Create Memberships" on Kiddie Porn or other off putting sites, membership at controversial groups or posting on their forums with the real personal info, planting info on his computers or in his Home/Car and then sending the police with search warrants out to greet him etc...

Dis-info and Counter Intel is the SECOND oldest profession (As they like to say) and is a well developed art. You cannot really ever KNOW the facts of ANYTHING you read for sure unless you see it... then if you see it you can only trust so much of what your eyes funnel into your brain and how it is then assimilated.

Even though this is a lot of info coming out, it is only the tip top of the ice berg. I have a feeling when all of this does come about people are going to be popping Xanax like tic tacs.

EDIT: You are also probably aware that these types of agents ARE on these sites and forums all day every day and are also among the people that post in these types of blogs... and NO I am not one of them... ;)

Such fertile and malleable minds we have,

Plant a seed of revelation or a seed of doubt; add a little challenge to ones Ego or sacred beliefs and then it grows around our mind like a "Chia Pet". We will then blindly defend it with as clever of an argument as we can, just to "One Up" the next person and display our superior "Intelligence and Insight".

The easiest targets are the ones that consider themselves enlightened/evolved and that only the simple minded are susceptible to such tactics. That is what makes people so incredibly easy to control and manipulate. It amazes those who are master manipulators to the point that they consider it child’s play.

Thus I am now differing to my earlier post about Dis-Information and Counter Intelligence.
:confused:

[Chester]

Please name one person that can be verified to fit any of those descriptions, it is VERY easy to find public records on former (or current) military members & quite often members of CIA,NSA, FBI etc also; I have not heard of ONE verifiable source (individual or otherwise) that corroborates any of this information; you seem to be saying this is not the case.

what I have seen is "internet celeb.s" verifying each other, wilcock verifies fulford, both verify drake, drake verifies both, and round and round we go.... selective perception, hope, ego, these all twist our minds into acceptance of ideas that may not be acceptable to others based on the same information, I understand that and don't discount what I'm hearing just because I'm skeptical, but I have not seen what you hint at here, not at all (and I've been looking).

I know what I say is very contrary to "popular belief" here on P.A.; but that shouldn't (and doesn't) influence truth or the seeking of it; if I am incorrect or have missed something please point me in the right direction.


warm & fuzzy "love" and "intent" aside... we don't need a false cheerleader (drake, if he is indeed "false") to lead our intent or to help us care for / help one another... I sense more "sit back and wait for someone else to save you" mentality here, and I understand just how attractive this is to humans; I also think that it is highly damaging and encourages complacency and in-action.... something I am STRONGLY against.

I can completely understand your position. I know I happen to have an advantage based on specific personal relationships I have and the content and implications of discussions I have had with these folks. But again, you are faced with the same dilemma - "Who am I?" "What do I really know?" Then we can go into the lower levels as to "What proof of anything do I have?" and on and on

At least the Drake experience so far assisted my further personal growth and understanding (of humanity).

I intentionally stated (and have so in several of my posts) that the purported Plan is certainly "my hope." I notice you highlight that in red. I also hope no harm comes to my children. Is hope something we should be ashamed of? Does admitting to having hope invalidate any of my points and positions. I am just being honest and revealing myself in a global sense. I see that as authenticity.

Knowing my position as being a lower Tier 2 individual, in the event the Plan actually becomes visibly operational, I also hope am prepared to act for the greater good of collective humanity.

Most of my focus has been in that direction and I have suggested we share ideas on how we could IF such a Plan actually kicks off.

It is somewhat sad that in a forum where I suspect the more enlightened of humanity are gathered, that even amongst this group we spend most of our time absorbed in discussions as to whether Drake is a fake or whether Drake/Wilcock are being played as opposed to what we - the supposedly more informed and supposedly more enlightened - could do in the event the Plan is real and goes to next stages.

The threads I created along those lines are mostly dead, yet the dissection threads like this one appear live and well - thriving in fact.

What does that say about us?

[wynderer]

[
Such fertile and malleable minds we have,

Plant a seed of revelation or a seed of doubt; add a little challenge to ones Ego or sacred beliefs and then it grows around our mind like a "Chia Pet". We will then blindly defend it with as clever of an argument as we can, just to "One Up" the next person and display our superior "Intelligence and Insight".

The easiest targets are the ones that consider themselves enlightened/evolved and that only the simple minded are susceptible to such tactics. That is what makes people so incredibly easy to control and manipulate. It amazes those who are master manipulators to the point that they consider it child’s play.

Thus I am now differing to my earlier post about Dis-Information and Counter Intelligence.
:confused:

i picture the Reptilians & buddies hi-fiving each other all over the place after they found Earth Humans & learned how easy their minds are to manipulate

PS -- the whole dragon thing makes me nervous -- Dragon = Draco, as i understand it

[DreamsInDigital]

Wyn,

There is a huge difference between the Draco Reptilians and Dragons. The Draco Reptilians is just because they come from the Draco Constellation, no relation there to Dragons which are an entirely different species from Reptilians all together.

[Ishtar]

Wyn,

There is a huge difference between the Draco Reptilians and Dragons. The Draco Reptilians is just because they come from the Draco Constellation, no relation there to Dragons which are an entirely different species from Reptilians all together.

My research tells me differently. Draco is Latin for dragon and the Draco constellation was thus named because it resembled a dragon/serpent.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/01/Dracourania.jpg

Also a dragon is a reptilian and serpentine like creature.

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragons)


The English word "dragon" derives from Greek δράκων (drákōn), "dragon, serpent of huge size, water-snake", which probably comes from the verb δρακεῖν (drakeîn) "to see clearly".[1]

[Jeffrey]

Wyn,

There is a huge difference between the Draco Reptilians and Dragons. The Draco Reptilians is just because they come from the Draco Constellation, no relation there to Dragons which are an entirely different species from Reptilians all together.

I've read about both, and correct me if I'm wrong here, but are we mixing channeled information with tangible evidence (albeit open to interpretation, i.e. sumerian tablets, history of bloodlines, Dragon Sovereignty, etymology etc)

I remember all of the information about the Draconians/Reptilian/Greys interstellar heritage being mostly channeled material... Just sayin'.. hard to verify IMO set aside intuition...

[Ishtar]

I'm not interested in channelled information, Vivek. Most of it is psy-ops anyway.

Just wanted to clarify that word Draco does mean dragon and the dragons (of course, mythological creatures) derive from the mythological (not historical) sea serpents slain by sword by the storm gods.

[Chester]

[QUOTE=justoneman;475052]
Is this your own perspective of how Bill Ryan perceives Drake or has Bill commented somewhere?
Considering we are never more than 1 meter away from a Rat, Bill may have just "liked" the research that the OP brought forward.

As always move forward with caution.

peace
Hi Peace - I did my best to locate Bill's thread but could not find it - He did make a very specific, cautionary post. I noticed Bill was looking at this very thread last night, perhaps if he does again, he will see your request and locate his thread or make new comments - again, especially after what he (and Avalon) has experienced with Charles, I have to take serious note of Bill's views.

EDIT: What a group of great people we have here! I was just PM'd the link - Here ya go Peace (and all)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43077-David-Wilcock-DIVINE-INTERVENTION-Section-I-Defeating-Financial-Tyranny&p=460550#post460550

justone

[TargeT]

At least the Drake experience so far assisted my further personal growth and understanding (of humanity).

Lessons everywhere, to be sure!




I intentionally stated (and have so in several of my posts) that the purported Plan is certainly "my hope." I notice you highlight that in red. I also hope no harm comes to my children. Is hope something we should be ashamed of? Does admitting to having hope invalidate any of my points and positions. I am just being honest and revealing myself in a global sense. I see that as authenticity.

Knowing my position as being a lower Tier 2 individual, in the event the Plan actually becomes visibly operational, I also hope am prepared to act for the greater good of collective humanity.

Most of my focus has been in that direction and I have suggested we share ideas on how we could IF such a Plan actually kicks off.

My intent is to get people to act NOW, not wait for a plan, an ET, accention, any such thing... were any of those to happen I do not think that any actions taken "now" would be wasted, if nothing else more lessons can be absorbed & bonds between individuals formed.

my intent is not to simply be a voice of dissent, though it is somewhat that also; I want to see people drive their commute home and think about the difficulties of traveling that route with out a vehicle, consider having a BOB (bug out bag) in their vehicle incase they become stranded by a (very possible) CME that renders most vehicles usless.

consider food, water sources, we have been lulled into a very false sense of security via our lavish (and they ARE lavish, even the "poor" among us live very very well compared to what is required for "life" and especialy when compared to other countries) life styles, our roots are nomatic hunter gather peoples (as best we can tell) and I wonder how many people will be able to do even that.



It is somewhat sad that in a forum where I suspect the more enlightened of humanity are gathered, that even amongst this group we spend most of our time absorbed in discussions as to whether Drake is a fake or whether Drake/Wilcock are being played as opposed to what we - the supposedly more informed and supposedly more enlightened - could do in the event the Plan is real and goes to next stages.

The threads I created along those lines are mostly dead, yet the dissection threads like this one appear live and well - thriving in fact.

What does that say about us?

I would not wait for "the plan" to take effect, even if it were things you could be doing now would be bennificial to you, your community, your family (what ever modivates you....)

I do not consider members of this forum more "enlightened" than "regular people" I consider "us" to be more willing to explore topics that are often ignored; this does not grant anyone a position other than "alternately informed" perhaps, certainly not "enlightened" at least not that I see.






Is this your own perspective of how Bill Ryan perceives Drake or has Bill commented somewhere?
Considering we are never more than 1 meter away from a Rat, Bill may have just "liked" the research that the OP brought forward.

As always move forward with caution.

peace
Hi Peace - I did my best to locate Bill's thread but could not find he - He did may a very specific, cautionary post. I noticed Bill was looking at this very thread last night, perhaps if he does again, he will see your request and locate his thread or make new comments - again, especially after what he (and Avalon) has experienced with Charles, I have to take serious note of Bill's views.

This should help?


Billiji,

Bill Ryan said this here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43077-David-Wilcock-DIVINE-INTERVENTION-Section-I-Defeating-Financial-Tyranny&p=460550#post460550):




Hi, All -- a quick note:

I have to say that I don't believe Drake's testimony. I strongly suspect that David Wilcock is being played to discredit him. If so, this would not be the first time (and certainly not with Ben Fulford, either).

The very idea of announcing 'arrests' beforehand is absurd... if this is all for real. Think of how stakeouts are usually orchestrated. The agencies don't warn the drug gangs prior to the carefully co-ordinated dawn raids.

***

I'm currently traveling, but frequently check the forum for new developments of interest. I also posted this sometime last year: as Mark Twain famously quipped, reports of my death have been somewhat exaggerated.

:)

Warmest regards to everyone, as always -- Bill

[wynderer]

Wyn,

There is a huge difference between the Draco Reptilians and Dragons. The Draco Reptilians is just because they come from the Draco Constellation, no relation there to Dragons which are an entirely different species from Reptilians all together.

My research tells me differently. Draco is Latin for dragon and the Draco constellation was thus named because it resembled a dragon/serpent.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/01/Dracourania.jpg

Also a dragon is a reptilian and serpentine like creature.

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragons)


The English word "dragon" derives from Greek δράκων (drákōn), "dragon, serpent of huge size, water-snake", which probably comes from the verb δρακεῖν (drakeîn) "to see clearly".[1]

i know Dracos exist -- not so sure about dragons -- if so, the myths seem to suggest they are just another kind of Earth animal -- & why would St George, presumably a spiritual warrior, waste his time on a big lumbering Earth reptile?

[Ishtar]

if so, the myths seem to suggest they are just another kind of Earth animal -- & why would St George, presumably a spiritual warrior, waste his time on a big lumbering Earth reptile?

Hi wynderer,

I explain the thinking on that in a post just a bit further up this page. Here's the relevant extract:

I've always thought it was an astronomical metaphor for an End of Ages (signified by a flood). According to Hamlet's Mill (a must read for understanding astronomy metaphors within ancient myths) it signifies the changing of the astrological age at the precession of the equinoxes. It is usually the Hero who releases the waters of the firmanent, or the flood of milk (Milky Way) from the grip of a sea serpent, or dragon, at the end/beginning of a cycle, so that this birth/death or creation/destruction can take place. The flood is a metaphor for the amniotic sac bursting, dying, to release the waters heralding new life, as it does during human childbirth.

The next change of ages will take place as we go from Pisces into Aquarius. There is much controversy about when those dates actually are, mainly due to various monks screwing up our calendars!

[noprophet]

Hello noprophet,

Thanks for your contribution. Here is the webpage from which I gleaned my information:

http://www.halexandria.org/dward465.htm

And here is an excerpt:


Strictly speaking, according to Gardner, Qabala (or the QBL, meaning “enlightenment”) should not be equated to Kabalah (or the KBL, meaning “confusion”) or worse yet, to the Kabbalah (or KBBL, implying even greater intrigue and twisting). The latter, in fact, is related to the English work, cabal (which is defined as “a secret intrigue, a political clique or faction”). Similarly, the Jewish mystical tradition, the cabala, cabbala, or kabbala, is defined as “mystic interpretation; any esoteric doctrine of occult lore”. One can view the distinctions as two separate movements within mystical thought, one of which, the Ha Qabala, has been largely ignored in recent centuries.

One reason for this is that “Qabalistic masters maintain that it was not the serpent (Enki) [in the Garden of Eden] who was the deceiver as we are led to understand. The deceiver in this instance was Enki’s half-brother, Eloh-Jehovah (Enlil), who said that Adam would die from eating the fruit.” Small wonder that the “confusion” of the Kabalah has taken mainstage over the “enlightenment” of the Ha Qabala. And while Adam was ultimately enlightened by the female (having been prompted by Enki) as to the true circumstances of the eating of the fruit (and thus partially relieved of the deception), the ultimate victims of deceit are the recipients of the corrupted interpretation -- which is the mainstream of Jewish, Christian, and Islamic thought. Enlil’s deception lives on!

This, I think (as I am by far an authority on the subject), is were the truly sacred knowledge of the ancients splits with the perversion that is the "Illuminaughty". I'm probably wearing out the term, but again, sand and sugar.

I've also read that the Age of Aquarius heralds mankinds (meaning man AND women if you follow the etymology) embrace of the intuitive feminine principle of spirituality. Completing the eventuality that was set in motion by eating from the tree of knowledge, lifting the veil of deception/reign of ignorance or something like that.

At least that's where I'm at right now. I'm open to learning more if you care to compare notes.



When Abraham arrived in Canaan, promoting a Mesopotamian tradition of Enlil, he was said to have access to a “uniquely inscribed tablet of ideograms”. These ideograms were conceptual symbols which did not specifically translate into words -- the same situation in some Chinese characters. The concept is also fundamental to Tarot, in that symbolism of the meaning of a card is more important than what can be interpreted by vainly attempting to reduce the meaning to words. Ideograms, in general, are not meant to be translated, but meditated upon, allowing the feelings to go where the mind will normally not.


This is pretty correct but you do not need to invest in the story. The stories are a means to convey a set of infomration. You do not ever need to remeber who did what where unless you really get into the numerological aspects and start assigning "sounds" (hebrew letters) numbers; all phonetically, hence my confusion why he would be caught up on the spelling of something that relies on phonetics.

However, more to the point; "These ideograms were conceptual symbols which did not specifically translate into words." This is a referance to the sephirot which do not have direct translations. Well--they do, but they shouldn't. A sephirot is a concept. For instance the concept of creating is a sephirot, concept of destruction is one, the concept of balance, concept of victory and the concept of glory. There are a few others but those are probably the least abstract.

This has the odd effect of making you invoke the experience of these things in order to define them rather than simply explain something in words that will be inherently hollow. The sephirot are the operandi, or motives but not the modus or what is causing them to go (dare I say by invoking those things you are causing them to go ;)). The thing that is making them go is forever unknowable (e.g. cannot speak the name of god.) What is produced by this unknown modus, however, is what we call da'ath wich is not really a sephirot, rather it is conciousness itself; the eye in the trinity of objective, subjective and 'field' that exists in all measurement (da'ath is the observer).

This movement of conciousness between these "spheres" of existence is portrayed as a snake. The sephirot the snake is moving through or between or the conjuction of sephirot it's moving between in a given order represent meanings. Due to each sephirot and path between them also being a letter/number these can be expressed mathamatically as well as tonally. (ever wonder where magic words came form?) These snakes also happen to form letters when placed on the tree of life (otz chaim).

http://www.innerlight.org.uk/journals/Vol23No2/serpent.jpg

That snake actually represents the full progression of sephirot form unknown to known. I'd go into this more but I don't want to get to technical. I've been meaning to make a thread for this stuff at some point.

I'll write more on this at some point but Dion Fortune (http://gnosticfellowship.com/reading/qabalah/mystical.pdf) is an exellent source.

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p.s. If you really want to have some word fun ^_^ ~
kab (hebrew) - Container
alah(allah) - allah (arm, leg, leg, arm, head to my 5%ers :P)

-or-

God Container :P

[DreamsInDigital]

I don't base any of my information on anything channeled, as it's already been said a good 96% or so is psy-ops of some sort. Where I was going with this is that there is a distinction between REAL dragons, and the Reptilians from the Draco / Hydra Constellations. It could be argued that they are "all" Reptoids, but then that's like saying we're "all" humans, and including us in with the humanoid/human ET/ED Races. Dragons are not the same as the Draco and Hydra Reptilians, which are Regressives/Negative Reptoids. And, where/why the Dracos and Hydras are referred to as Draco's and Hydra's. Dragons are real and do exist, but then there is great debate of on what level, what realm etc. There is more real history in Mythology, than there is in History it's self.

[wynderer]

i think we are all getting off topic here -- i believe this thread was meant to be about Drake

thank you for your responses -- i avoid the Kabbalah & systems using symbols -- i 'knew' to avoid them at the beginning of my spiritual quest in my early twenties -- i have since learned that our Matrix controllers use symbols to control Human minds -- even our alphabet is symbols -- replacing the far superior form of communication thru telepathy

[Ishtar]

I don't base any of my information on anything channeled, as it's already been said a good 96% or so is psy-ops of some sort. Where I was going with this is that there is a distinction between REAL dragons, and the Reptilians from the Draco / Hydra Constellations. It could be argued that they are "all" Reptoids, but then that's like saying we're "all" humans, and including us in with the humanoid/human ET/ED Races. Dragons are not the same as the Draco and Hydra Reptilians, which are Regressives/Negative Reptoids. And, where/why the Dracos and Hydras are referred to as Draco's and Hydra's. Dragons are real and do exist, but then there is great debate of on what level, what realm etc. There is more real history in Mythology, than there is in History it's self.

Sorry, it's probably me being thick again, but I don't follow you here.

According to my understanding, pretty well everything we think we know about Draco and Hydra Reptilians come from the very channelling we are both more or less dismissing as psy-ops? So what value does it have ...?

I have seen dragons in the other dimensions but not this one. They are, in fact, fairly common there.

My shaman teacher used to say that the only difference between history and mythology is that mythology is true!

In other words, myths record universal truths in metaphor and allegory ... not historical events. History is always written by the victors and so rarely true. That we no longer know or are taught how to read this metaphorical language of the ancient myths is one of the tragedies of modern days... not least because it makes us such sitting ducks for any false flag ET invasion scare tactics.

[noprophet]

i think we are all getting off topic here -- i believe this thread was meant to be about Drake

thank you for your responses -- i avoid the Kabbalah & systems using symbols -- i 'knew' to avoid them at the beginning of my spiritual quest in my early twenties -- i have since learned that our Matrix controllers use symbols to control Human minds -- even our alphabet is symbols -- replacing the far superior form of communication thru telepathy

I don't necessarily disagree with you but if you're looking to hack a computer you sure as hell don't start by not learning about computers. Different paths my friend ;)

Anyway, back to topic!

[thunder24]

kab (hebrew) - Container
alah(allah) - allah (arm, leg, leg, arm, head to my 5%ers :P)

-or-

God Container :P

finally some one recognized the five....thanku

peace

[DreamsInDigital]

Sorry, it's probably me being thick again, but I don't follow you here.
According to my understanding, pretty well everything we think we know about Draco and Hydra Reptilians come from the very channelling we are both more or less dismissing as psy-ops? So what value does it have ...?
You're right, that's why most of what is out there is absolutely wrong. What I know of Reptoids, Grays, Hydras, Dracos, et al comes from a couple of ET/ED contactees that I know personally (and have known for a very long time), and none of which channel anything. They communicate with their ET's through physical contacts and telepathy, plus I have ETs of my own that I communicate through physical contacts and telepathy, no channeling. Plus, being an Incarnate, I have my own memories also. So, that's what I mean by "none of my information is based on channelings." I come from a long long genetic line of psychics, mediums, etc. I just happen to be one in the family that got the Telepathy ability and not the channeling one. It's weird how that plays out in my family lines.

I have seen dragons in the other dimensions but not this one. They are, in fact, fairly common there.
Right, that's why I said what I said. They're definitely real. Just how and where, is a conversation.

My shaman teacher used to say that the only difference between history and mythology is that mythology is true!
Yes, you're teacher is right. That's pretty much also what I was saying, but it was my brother that told me that. I think he just had a different way of putting it than your teacher.

In other words, myths record universal truths in metaphor and allegory ... not historical events. That we no longer know or are taught how to read this metaphorical language is one of the tragedies of modern days... not least because it makes us such sitting ducks for any false flag ET invasion scare tactics.
I totally agree. Completely. It's something we all should know and learn.

Certainly the definitions between Regressives/Negatives, and Positives, are very complex and multi-layered and very even within each race and species out there. It's all a multitude of different shades of gray when you get down into it, but I prefer to keep it as simple and easy to follow for most people that read my posts/comments to avoid a million questions that delve into a never ending slew of complications. Plus it makes it easier for most to read. And, then for those that already know and understand it makes a quicker reading :)

[Chester]

Oh... well, I tell people I'm a shaman, as does Drake in Vivek's post (http://community.humanityhealing.net/profile/DrakeBailey) which I hadn't seen until now. Otherwise, how will they know where to go to get healing or guidance etc? Most people are not mindreaders. ;)

And then there's this bit...



I am known as The Dragon Master, White Dragon, as is stated in the old legend. I still have a few requirements to meet before the great conflict starts.

He was specifically asked about that, and he said No.

Personally, I think the man is full of it!
Apologies Ishtar, but I seem to get pulled into this one again and again - yet I have to try one more time.

Why does someone's possible past become permanently attached to their present and future? Please explain the logic in that?

Boxing anyone into their past permanently negates one from ever making changes. It also means that if said individual ever made a mistake, that individual can never be of benefit to anyone much less made changes that benefit themselves. I also must add that not all Dragon path societies are dark, in fact many are about exploring aspects of the ALL which happens to include the darker experiences.

Please address these statements.

If the guy has moved on - he didn't lie plain and simple - what I heard Drake say on the broadcast was that he dabbled and moved on. Did anyone else not hear the same thing?

[Fred Steeves]

I can completely understand your position. I know I happen to have an advantage based on specific personal relationships I have and the content and implications of discussions I have had with these folks. But again, you are faced with the same dilemma - "Who am I?" "What do I really know?" Then we can go into the lower levels as to "What proof of anything do I have?" and on and on

At least the Drake experience so far assisted my further personal growth and understanding (of humanity).


Hi justoneman, after spending some time reading over your past posts, and now especially this one, I'm compelled to ask you a very direct question:

Are you Drake?

[Chester]

Did y'all know that there is Qabala (Ha Qabala/QBL) with means enlightenment, and then there is Kabalah (KBL) meaning confusion?

and Lucifer and Satan where to separate beings originally before they both got swept under the name "the Devil"

points well made - - Thanks Vivek... you have a fan in justone

To the best of my knowledge kabbalah simply means "to receive" in hebrew. Qabalah was a variant spelling created by the golden dawn. Probably for elaborate reasons of using gemetria outside the hebrew alphabet.

Where is this translation of confusion derived from?

Correct - some even spell it with a C - it is my understanding the Islamic mystics spell it with a Q. If one wants to understand more about the Qabalah (I am used to spelling it with a Q) then investigate the Qliphoth which is like an alternate (and darker) reality created off of the Qabalah.

clearly noprophet has a great deal of experience with Qabalah - I have very little - I hope he/she starts the thread he/she has mentioned in post #101

[Jeffrey]

I can completely understand your position. I know I happen to have an advantage based on specific personal relationships I have and the content and implications of discussions I have had with these folks. But again, you are faced with the same dilemma - "Who am I?" "What do I really know?" Then we can go into the lower levels as to "What proof of anything do I have?" and on and on

At least the Drake experience so far assisted my further personal growth and understanding (of humanity).


Hi justoneman, after spending some time reading over your past posts, and now especially this one, I'm compelled to ask you a very direct question:

Are you Drake?

I can tell you he is not Drake.

[noprophet]

Correct - some even spell it with a C - it is my understanding the Islamic mystics spell it with a Q. If one wants to understand more about the Qabalah (I am used to spelling it with a Q) then investigate the Qliphoth which is like an alternate (and darker) reality created off of the Qabalah.

The Qliphoth is the inverse tree where the sephirot have become unbalanced. Roughly equivalent to inverting the pentagram for those familiar with witchcraft/wicca/ceremonial. (4 elements/god [or] god/4elements)

Strength becomes cruelty; beauty becomes vanity; understanding becomes judgement.

The qabalist method invokes its definitions. I do not play with the Qliphoth though I have a logistical understanding of it. Not recommended for beginners.

[Chester]

To noprophet - excellent post #101 - thanks

To Target - terrible choice of words I used - "enlightened" - you understood my meaning and corrected me with the better term "alternatively informed."

[Chester]

I can completely understand your position. I know I happen to have an advantage based on specific personal relationships I have and the content and implications of discussions I have had with these folks. But again, you are faced with the same dilemma - "Who am I?" "What do I really know?" Then we can go into the lower levels as to "What proof of anything do I have?" and on and on

At least the Drake experience so far assisted my further personal growth and understanding (of humanity).


Hi justoneman, after spending some time reading over your past posts, and now especially this one, I'm compelled to ask you a very direct question:

Are you Drake?

Wow - no - I am happy to PM you who I am, my name, where I live, etc. I certainly know the tones of my posts suggest I am aligned with him and/or affiliated in some way so let me clear it up now -

I never heard of Drake until the Wilcock/Drake interview went live.

I do have personal relationships with some insiders and in late 2011 had some interesting conversations with a few. Because of those conversations, the subsequent Wilcock/Drake interview and then the subsequent broadcasts, combined with all the 2012 hype and finally and admittedly first and foremost, my hope, I want to believe the Plan to be real and possible and so I have plunged head first into working on how I and the rest of us alternatively informed (thanks Target) could be helpful both now and in the event a Big Shoe drops.

There's the honest truth - and the whole truth

I will add that I have had an abduction experience and had several other experiences which has made opening my mind to all possibility far easier than most.

I will also add that this thread by Vivek is outstanding - justoneman

[Jeffrey]

I'm trying to make sense of The Royal Dragon Court, Sumerian history, and the current events...


According to Sumerian texts (as detailed in Genesis of the Grail Kings [1]), during a visit by their father, Anu (the archetypal absentee landlord), the Anunnaki made a decision:

“The gods had clasped their hands together,

Had cast lots and had divided.

Anu then went up to heaven.

To Enlil the Earth was made subject.

The seas, enclosed as with a loop,

They had given to Enki, the Prince of Earth.”

Sounds fair. However. As Laurence Gardner points out: “Enki was not happy about his brother’s promotion because, although Enlil was the elder of the two, his mother (Ki) was Anu’s junior sister, whereas Enki’s mother (Antu) was the senior sister. True kingship, claimed Enki, progressed as a matrilineal institution through the female line, and by this right of descent Enki maintained that he was the first born of the royal succession.”

“I am the great brother of the gods.

I am he who has been born as the first son of the divine Anu.”

If there is a philosophy of Enki, it manifests and explains itself in early Mesopotamian and Egyptian thought, where the true creator of the universe was manifest within nature, and that nature enveloped both the Anunnaki, and the humans. Nature, as the Great Mother, was still supreme, despite any patriarchal scheme to the contrary. Admittedly, Enki’s claim of his birthright, the one being based on a matrilineal succession -- essentially the mitochondria DNA link, which is wholly passed through the female line -- was in Enki’s best interests. But Enki was also the maternal grandfather who came to the aid of Inanna when things went badly during her Descent into the Underworld.

With the arrival of Enlil, however, who in his best interests must demean the matriarchal line of succession, and thus nature itself -- everything changed. The Great Mother was dethroned and replaced by a supreme male (as opposed to a male consort for the Queen). The idea of cooperation -- as exemplified by the council of Anunnaki making cooperative decisions -- was quickly replaced by competition, and harmony was forsaken in favor of subservience. The supreme god became abstract, and any physical connection with human or nature was lost -- and thus the link between nature and human also destroyed. When Enlil hit town, there was a whole new deal put into effect.

Source: http://www.halexandria.org/dward184.htm


It was the Lord Enki, on the other hand, who (despite the wrath of his brother) granted the Sumerians access to the Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life. It was Enki who set up the escape strategy during the Flood, and it was Enki who passed over the time-honoured Tables of Destiny - the tablets of scientific law which became the bedrock of the early mystery schools in Egypt.

The kings of the early succession (who reigned in Sumer and Egypt before becoming kings in Israel) were anointed upon installation with the fat of the sacred crocodile. This noble beast was referred to as the Mûs-hûs or Messeh (from which derived the Hebrew verb ’to anoint’) - and the Kings of this dynastic succession were referred to as Messiahs (meaning Anointed Ones).

The first king of the Messianic succession was the biblical Cain, head of the Sumerian House of Kish. On recognizing this, one can immediately see an early anomaly in the traditional Genesis story, for the historical line to David and Jesus was not from Adam and Eve’s son Seth at all. It descended from Eve’s son Cain.

Conventional teaching generally cites Cain as being the first son of Adam and Eve - but he was not; even the book of Genesis tells us that he was not. In fact, it confirms how Eve told Adam that Cain’s father was the Lord - who was of course Enki the archetype. Even outside the Bible, the writings of the Hebrew Talmud and Midrash make it quite plain that, although Cain was Eve’s eldest son, he was not the son of Adam.

The Old Testament book of Genesis (in its translated form) tells us that Cain was ’a tiller of the ground’ - but this is not what the original text relates. What it states is that Cain had ’dominion over the earth’, which is a rather different matter when considering his kingly status.

Source: http://dragon-society.livejournal.com/

This is how the Dragon bloodlines started, as I understand it, through Enki and Eve---> Cain ---> Kainship ---> Kinship (blood-related) ---> Kingship


...a sacred royal family whose roots go back to the times of the Egyptian Pharaohs, and to the Sumerian Gods before them. It paints a picture of the beginnings of the Grail bloodline in an antediluvian civilization, with a super-human, red-haired race of Grail kings that conquered and ruled over the primitive hordes of the ancient world, with tribes on each continent. These kings guided the destiny of all civilized man. They were overseers, “navigators”, directing the affairs of the world with the Solomonic wisdom inherent in their blood. They created all of the traditions, customs and institutions upon which civilization depends.

To the members of the Dragon Court, it is the blood itself, which provides the basis for the “divine right” of Dragons to be the overseers of society. The most amazing of all, they believe that the sacred “Grail” or Dragon DNA contains genes specifically programmed for “magic.” The Dragon Legacy has illustrated for the first time the scientific principles behind the effective use of ritual magic, and why some “magicians” are more effective than others. It explains the significance of the “Grail bloodline”, irrespective of modern pseudo-intellectual theories and religious doctrines.

Source: http://www.ancientwisdom.net/events/dragonLegacy.html

This is more or less an oath of the members of the Imperial and Royal Dragon Court and Order:


The Five Holy Obligations. They are:


1. Protection of the Earth
2. Upholding of Peace
3. Support of the Downtrodden
4. Defence of the Feminine
5. Pursuit of Knowledge

It is in these respects that the Court of the Dragon is most active - supporting at all times the sovereignty of the individual and the responsibilities to protect life and liberty which are inherent within that sovereignty, while pursuing avenues of hitherto suppressed knowledge for the benefit of all. The primary aspects of the Order's constitution are: Nobility, Equity and Justice.

Source: http://www.zsigmond.co.uk/royal_dragon_page.htm

Now, considering all of this in the backdrop of Fulford's "White Dragon Society/The Dragon Family" I think these people are the cream of the crop when it comes to bloodline lineages relating to the Nahash.

I can't find anything on Enlil's lineage, if he does indeed have one. I'm just trying to tie history to the characters on the scene today (or behind it). Obviously there is a war going on between THE LIGHT and THE DARK or whatever polarities you wish to assign them.

Now I think the astrological Ages of the Zodiac tie into all of this as well.

The age of Aries was ruled by Enlil, and, for a short time, Marduk.

As we moved into the Age of Picses Enki became the superficial ruler, while Enlil played behind the scenes.

Now we are moving into the Age of Aquarius.

Read this:


Just prior to the Age of Aries is the Age of Taurus (4600 to 2400 B.C.E.). Taurus is very much a female sign, and implies an Age “ruled” by the Goddess. This was also the time when Alpha Draconis was being recognized as the pole star. This is noteworthy in that in most goddess cultures, the dragon is considered the defender of the feminine. This is also why Saint George allegedly slaying the dragon is but a metaphor for the patriarchy’s ascent over the prior matriarchal cultures -- described more fully in Astrology According to the Goddess and the goddess, Inanna’s Descent into Hades). However, because the Anunnaki is a male dominated, chauvinistic group, there is little likelihood that the Goddess’s authority went unchallenged. It is more likely that the day-to-day, routine bloodshed in war and otherwise was temporarily muted somewhat.

Of perhaps more relevance to those of us living today, however, is the rapid approach of the Age of Aquarius. This age, being astrologically “ruled” by Uranus, will supposedly come under the province of the god, Anu (the father of Enki and Enlil). Historically, Anu has demonstrated something of a “hands-off” management style, leaving a lot of the details to his two sons -- who did not get along at all (and is probably the cause of human misery during the last ten thousand years!). Because of Anu’s history, there appears no way to guess what to expect with respect to the coming Age of Aquarius.

With one exception: Anu is the ruler of Nibiru (the alleged home planet of the Anunnaki), and because of the Nibiru Cycle -- which keeps Nibiru at an enormous distance from the Earth during the next couple of hundred years -- there is little likelihood that Anu will be doing any management of Earth -- hands on or hands off. Instead, there will more likely be a continuation of the present, dismal state of affairs, or if Enlil is so inclined, a return to the days of Enki versus Enlil; the personification of free will versus obeying the whims of a god or goddess.

[EDIT: you know what, on second thought, in the spirit of this thread, I'm not gonna add my kool-aide.]

I'm just trying to recognize the patterns here and fit the pieces together.

I will update this post in particular as I continue to research all of this. There is much that I have left out but this is the jist of it.

I'm not proping Drake up, or putting him down. This wasn't intended to be that kind of thread. It's about scrutiny and putting the pieces together.

[CeltMan]

Regarding the aspect discussed here about dragons, I can offer from my own experience the following: I was a member of a UK based Japanese Shinto organisation for approx. 7 years.

The Japanese Shinto actually worship dragons, which are held in very high esteem, and as an essential basis of their religion, which is called ‘Shinto’

Their worship of dragons is taken very seriously, and they perform very elaborate ceremonies to worship dragons.
The Japanese subscribe great powers to dragons. They believe that it was dragons who created this planet.
They attribute specific colours to dragons who are responsible for: wealth creation, health; weather control; creation of-mountains; rivers; lakes, seas, land masses etc

I do recall that the predominant colours were: red dragon; white dragon; gold dragon.

During my time with the Shinto group, there was a change of ‘High Priest’
Although I got along with the previous priest, and indeed helped him assimilate into British culture, he took his role very seriously.

With the new fellow//high priest, he was more laid back, we struck up a close friendship. He was also an experienced Judoka, and we shared a good sense of humour.

So one day I broached the subject of the ‘hugely different perception regarding dragons, here in UK and in Japanese culture’
I showed him a picture of St. George on horseback, slaying the dragon at his feet.
He was both amazed and appreciative for this info.

I also explained respectfully, that being British, my culture caused me some misgivings in allowing me to worship dragons.

Although having said that, those that know me, know that I do not readily ‘give my power//allegiance to anyone or thing’

Interesting and thorough research Vivek.

For me, I am of the ‘wait & see’ persuasion regarding Drake, although as ‘my cup is always half full’- I do Hope that good times are a coming.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_dragon

Quote: {“Japanese dragon
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dragon, by Hokusai.

Japanese dragons are diverse legendary creatures in Japanese mythology and folklore. Japanese dragon myths amalgamate native legends with imported stories about dragons from China, Korea and India. The style of the dragon was heavily influenced by the Chinese dragon.

Like these other Asian dragons, most Japanese ones are water deities associated with rainfall and bodies of water, and are typically depicted as large, wingless, serpentine creatures with clawed feet.

The modern Japanese language has numerous "dragon" words, including indigenous tatsu from Old Japanese ta-tu, Sino-Japanese ryū or ryō 竜 from Chinese lóng 龍, nāga ナーガ from Sanskrit nāga, and doragon ドラゴン from English dragon. “}
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http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/dragon.shtml

DRAGON MYTHOLOGY. A mythological animal of Chinese origin, and a member of the NAGA (Sanskrit) family of serpentine creatures who protect Buddhism. Japan's dragon lore comes predominantly from China.

Images of the reptilian dragon are found throughout Asia, and the pictorial form most widely recognized today was already prevalent in Chinese ink paintings in the Tang period (9th century AD).

The mortal enemy of the dragon is the Phoenix, as well as the bird-man creature known as Karura. In contrast to Western mythology, Asian dragons are rarely depicted as malevolent. Although fearsome and powerful, dragons are equally considered just, benevolent, and the bringers of wealth and good fortune.

The dragon is also considered a shape shifter who can assume human form and mate with people.

Dragon - Ryutakuji Temple in JapanDragons figure importantly in folk beliefs throughout Asia, and are dressed heavily in Buddhist garb. In India, the birthplace of Buddhism around 500 BC, pre-Buddhist snake or serpentine-like creatures known as the NAGA were incorporated early on into Buddhist mythology.

Described as "water spirits with human shapes wearing a crown of serpents on their heads" or as "snake-like beings resembling clouds," the NAGA are among the eight classes of deities who worship and protect the Historical Buddha.

Even before the Historical Buddha (Siddhartha, Guatama) attained enlightenment, the NAGA King Mucilinda (Sanskrit) is said to have protected Siddhartha from wind and rain for seven days. This motif is found often in Buddhist art from India, represented by images of the Buddha sitting beneath Mucilinda's hood and coils. (Above paragraph adapted from book by M.W. De Visser.)

In China, however, dragon lore existed independently for centuries before the introduction of Buddhism. Bronze and jade pieces from the Shang and Zhou dynasties (16th - 9th centuries BC) depict dragon-like creatures.

By at least the 2nd century BC, images of the dragon are found painted frequently on tomb walls to dispel evil. Buddhism was introduced to China sometime in the 1st and 2nd centuries AD. By the 9th century AD, the Chinese had incorporated the dragon into Buddhist thought and iconography as a protector of the various Buddha and the Buddhist law.

These traditions were adopted by the Japanese (Buddhism did not arrive in Japan until the mid-6th century AD). In both China and Japan, the character for "dragon" (龍) is used often in temple names, and dragon carvings adorn many temple structures. Most Japanese Zen temples, moreover, have a dragon painted on the ceiling of their assembly halls.

[Chester]

Who am I and what am I about - I figured I better put this out there because some folks may get the idea I am something else. Yes, this is off topic, but should be put to rest because I have heavily beaten the Drake drum. - I apologize, Vivek.

In being very honest here - I have studied the same material that Vivek has brought to this thread.

I specifically resonate with/align with the storyline Vivek quotes in post #115 and I align completely with the 5 Holy Obligations but I am not an active member of any Dragon society. I have several relationships that are and I have been able to discuss these concepts with them.

Its my sense that if Drake has also traversed this territory, and has had some of the personal experiences that I have had, he may have awakened to the good guy within himself which has placed him in the position he states he is in now - which is nothing more than being asked to be the spokesman for these so called good guys.

Because of personal experiences I have had, I recognize things in the Drake I have heard on these recent broadcasts that remind me a lot of myself. That's why I am a Drake fan.

I really don't think he is consciously misleading anyone nor consciously part of a setup.

I am less confident that he isn't being setup (and that makes me setup too), but due to some personal relationships I have (and who they happen to be) and conversations I have had with those relationships - I believe in the possibility that Drake is not only for real, but also not being set up.

I add that when I look into the eyes of my three sons, I HOPE with all my heart that a real intervention could actually be in the making.

To Target - great point about waiting around - I am not waiting around personally. If I could arrest and adjudicate suspects of the cabal myself, I would. I say this because I believe there is truth that some in the cabal have plans to kill off vast numbers of humanity on earth (equally important is what that would do to all other life on earth). I also believe folks like Aaron Russo's testimony regarding plans of some of the cabal to have us all chipped or at least do it to our ancestors. I also believe that once the chip is in, we become total slaves and will be permanently separated from our ability to access our spirit and I do not want that for anyone.

I hope for ascension but that does not mean I cannot hope for (and seek ways I can assist) in an actual physical world/3D/5 sense freeing from this clearly sick/small group that I believe has these plans for the rest of us. I do my very best every single day to emulate the person I project in this post. I still make mistakes and learn lessons.

[foreverfan]

Just wondering but did any of you play Dungeons and Dragons when you were younger?

[Jeffrey]

Here is another link about Dragon bloodlines, the divine feminine/goddess, etc etc

It is CHOCK-FULL of relevant information regarding the history of what's being talked about in this thread.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/matrix/matrix09.htm

[Chester]

This is a great thread - Back to the topic - where are we at?

We all are appreciative of Vivek and his excellent research and there have been outstanding contributions throughout.

Let’s look at the thread’s initial intent – the vetting of Drake via searching about who he is, who he has been, what has he been involved with and perhaps what else is he involved with now (I hope I am being correct here Vivek).

This thread, like most, is just like a tree that sprouts several branches but is still a single tree.

Can we identify the main branches? Here’s the branches I see -

Branch 1 - From the information uncovered, how does this affect our perceptions of Drake and why?

Branch 2 - Much of Drake’s past (and possibly current) associations have been revealed, especially with Dragon societies. Clearly he has been involved, so what does that mean to us?

Branch 3 - This branch spins off to whether Drake still has such associations, because if true then statements in his last broadcast denying this fact cause some of us to cast him as a liar (thus nothing else he says should be taken seriously). Can we trust him at all?

Branch 4 - It seems the biggest branch that has sprung from this tree is discussion about Dragon societies and what are they all about . This to me is the most fascinating branch of all.

I am asking the thread originator Vivek as to which way should this go? Should we still cover all these branches in one thread? Should we consider a thread that covers Dragon societies? Where to Vivek?

EDIT: Just after I posted this, I saw Vivek's next post (just above this one) which suggests direction 4. Am I on track? I still hope we can look at 1, 2 and 3 somehow...

[Alie]

This is a great thread - Back to the topic - where are we at?

We all are appreciative of Vivek and his excellent research and there have been outstanding contributions throughout.

Let’s look at the thread’s initial intent – the vetting of Drake via searching about who he is, who he has been, what has he been involved with and perhaps what else is he involved with now (I hope I am being correct here Vivek).

This thread, like most, is just like a tree that sprouts several branches but is still a single tree.

Can we identify the main branches? Here’s the branches I see -

Branch 1 - From the information uncovered, how does this affect our perceptions of Drake and why?

Branch 2 - Much of Drake’s past (and possibly current) associations have been revealed, especially with Dragon societies. Clearly he has been involved, so what does that mean to us?

Branch 3 - This branch spins off to whether Drake still has such associations, because if true then statements in his last broadcast denying this fact cause some of us to cast him as a liar (thus nothing else he says should be taken seriously). Can we trust him at all?

Branch 4 - It seems the biggest branch that has sprung from this tree is discussion about Dragon societies and what are they all about . This to me is the most fascinating branch of all.

I am asking the thread originator Vivek as to which way should this go? Should we still cover all these branches in one thread? Should we consider a thread that covers Dragon societies? Where to Vivek?

EDIT: Just after I posted this, I saw Vivek's next post (just above this one) which suggests direction 4. Am I on track? I still hope we can look at 1, 2 and 3 somehow...

Justoneman --- that is certainly wise and said with such diplomacy :)

For me, I'm kind of tired of analyzing the messenger. So, I think I'm going to enjoy some of the alternative health threads and get my mind off the heaviness of this topic. Very weary :(

[Ol' Roy]

This has cone ao fast! yes tommorrow! yes I am in a drunken state. 12 Budweisers and two or 3 whole lime's trying to increese and decalsify my pineal gland . lol

[Chester]

I can only speak for the Dragon societies I have experienced - This information can be found in books in the public domain - I capitalize the words they capitalize.

From what I learned, there is the belief that earth was inhabited by "fledgling humans" when the Dragon cousins came to earth. They brought teachings, culture and came to be their rulers. They came to insert their DNA into the gene pool. The intentions were based on their belief that their blood was the key to being able to access psi capabilities - our higher level of being capabilities - and they wanted to share this with our ancestors that did not have these capabilities. This kick started humanity's push towards material/technological self sufficiency but even more important, opened humanity to Self-Knowledge that we are Infinite Spirit. This is the ultimate realization of a Dragon Master.

Dragon comes from Drakon (Greek) which means - to see clearly. (As an aside, some can see Drake's name as an interesting synchronicity and I am sure that he has seen his name to be no coincidence.)

Some see themselves as masters who have descended to earth and taken human form. They learned the secrets of alchemical transformation and this is the way to both spiritual but also physical immortality.

They see themselves as reflections of the Primal Dragon - Dragon Masters being pure energy/life force. They are also equipped with the Dragon force and the ability to create also possessing the wisdom to know what to create.

Some believe the universe to have a pre-destiny that all life forms in the universe would achieve Self-Knowledge, with those who achieve it sooner having the responsibility to assist others in attaining this same Dragon Wisdom.

All of the universe was created to answer the question, "What AM I?" continuing until spirit fully realized itself.

The greatest Dragon Masters are deemed direct incarnations of the Primal Dragon.

"The greatest of these Dragon Masters were cognizant of the Dragon powers they possessed; however they also recognized that their highest nature or essence was separate from these powers."

Thus because they did not identify with these powers they did not attach to them. Their true nature remaining that of Infinite Spirit and the Divine Witness.

These Dragon Masters are not to be confused with malevolent Dragons and Reptilians who came not only to rule but to prevent humanity from evolving spiritually. "No doubt such races existed, however they can not be considered synonymous with the races of the Dragons who achieved the highest level of Dragon Wisdom - which is the realization of one’s inner Divinity."

OK Folks, so we can see that these folk believe in "special" DNA transmitted through procreation but that there are two distinct camps with regards to sharing the blood or keeping the blood to themselves.

I have no clue what could be true or not of any of this, but if there is truth to it then I can understand how and why our world is so whacky these days. Imagine something so racist where one group tries to hoard this sacred blood and true Dragon Masters are content to freely share this blood.

Imagine if there's any truth to this - the original plan to share it freely and then a separate race that also possess Dragon blood comes to earth to keep it to themselves and rule the rest - easy to do because we are physically (and thus spiritually) inferior.

Mind Boggling - but from my research, this is THE CONFLICT that is the foundational conflict to our entire world's dilemma.

justoneman

[Unified Serenity]

I couldn't help but imagine Drake playing D&D for hours conjuring up a fantasy life of being a sovereign king saving the world.

The more his story changes the less there is to support his being who he says he is, and thus what he is really doing. Divide and conquer is the name of the game. Keep us watching the action over here while the real stuff is happening where you are not looking. Mesmerized by the drama is a nice ploy to engage.

[Chester]

In light of the information I posted above in post #123 – in consideration of this quote obtained by Vivek and attributed to Drake – “We are those who show The Path to others in the ancient tradition of a shaman.”

Which type of Dragon do we think Drake might have been (or still be?)

So considering how controversial it is for so many to be associated with a Dragon society and how misunderstood a true Dragon Master might be, I can understand Drake dancing around that question and I can even reach so far as to understand that if he still maintains some of those associations he would deny it.

But my bet is that he has simply moved on – once you connect, you don’t need any associations – those who maintain these associations often do so to assist others, just like sober alcoholics in AA practice the 12th Step.

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I couldn't help but imagine Drake playing D&D for hours conjuring up a fantasy life of being a sovereign king saving the world.

The more his story changes the less there is to support his being who he says he is, and thus what he is really doing. Divide and conquer is the name of the game. Keep us watching the action over here while the real stuff is happening where you are not looking. Mesmerized by the drama is a nice ploy to engage.

could very well be the case Unified Serenity, could very well be

[Chester]

I couldn't help but imagine Drake playing D&D for hours conjuring up a fantasy life of being a sovereign king saving the world.

The more his story changes the less there is to support his being who he says he is, and thus what he is really doing. Divide and conquer is the name of the game. Keep us watching the action over here while the real stuff is happening where you are not looking. Mesmerized by the drama is a nice ploy to engage.

On this note - what ideas do you have for those who did more than just sit around and conjure up how to take over our world leaving us to deal with what we have today? Really - tell me what real actionable ideas do you have that we can get free of what most of us know has us all but fully, spiritually dead today as a society?

You can tell me you are free yourself but what good is your condition for the overwhelming percentage that live on less than $2.00 a day? Could you just switch to that? What about the rest of the life on this planet? How wonderful our rulers to lie to us about ETs/EDs and that keep free energy from the masses? Our food and water and air we breath? What's your solution? No one's saying here to sit around and wait on a Drake - but instead of tearing someone down that actually may be trying to do something, what are your suggestions we do? Truly tell me, tell us.

apologies for my frustrations

[OnyxKnight]

In contrast to European dragons, which are considered evil, Chinese dragons traditionally symbolize potent and auspicious powers, particularly control over water, rainfall, hurricane, and floods. The dragon is also a symbol of power, strength, and good luck. With this, the Emperor of China usually used the dragon as a symbol of his imperial power.

I don't know where Wikipedia gets its information on dragon mythology, but this is not true. Especially on the Slavic territories. Slavic mythology classifies several different aspects of 'dragon' symbolical representations, only of which barely couple of them can be deemed "negative".

(I have to note that there are a lot of mythological blends in our cultures, for things that may be separate mythological figures in other cultures.)

zmei/zmai - This is our general term describing a Dragon, by definition. Definition being, symbolical association with something 'reptoid'. Thing is, while we do have monstrous depictions using this term, in our mythology, rarely do any of these have any negative connotation.

They are regarded as territorial, and if tresspassing in their lair, that's the only time when they would become potentially fatally dangerous. Other than that, often a zmei would act as the official guardian of a village or a small town, and act as a healer too.

Sometimes, instead of a dragon-like appearance common in western folklore, they are depicted as human-like giants. Sometimes with wings too.

lamia - These are the only ones that are depicted as evil. They are usually associated with the feminine gender. But again, monstrous appearance is rare. They are often depicted as a more dangerous form of an evil witch, so again, with a human form. They have been considered to bring plagues, diseases, curses, droughts or floods, torment and agony, etc. These are sometimes depicted similar to what a succubus is depicted.

smok - These are the ones that are rarely seen as anything even resembling a humanoid form, even less with a human face. These would fall in the category of wyrms/wurms. Reptod-like monsters with wings and a body like a snake.

aždaja - These are associated with sea monsters. Oceanic version of a dragon if you will. Often attacking seafarers.

hala - These are the most evil depicted of all. Some even considered them an exact opposite of dragons. They are usually depicted with multiple heads and the only ones I found where breathing fire is mentioned.

drakon - I guess with origins of the same word 'draca', associated with dragon (again I'm alluding to the western version, of reptoid, fire breathing monster). But these are more associated with human-looking people with monstrous behavior and supernatural powers. There are different versions of drakons. Someones are associated with royalty (as are vampires too, which alludes to similarity of the myths, see below). This is the version that is connected with the Royal House of the Dragon, and the Order of the Dragon. This two could be connected with this Drake thing of this thread too.

Sometimes instead of humans, they would be depicted somewhat similar to what would be considered an orc/ogre. Human with reptilian characteristics. Unlike its comparisons, the drakons are extremely intelligent.

We also have blending of the mythological figures of vampires and dragons. The drakon is both in our culture. But like multiple types of drakons, we also have multiple versions of vampires. Some who suck energy, some who suck blood, others who suck memories, others who don't do any of the previous things.

The drakon is more associated with sucking energy, and the blood drinking left for a more vampire-oriented version of the myth.

Its also strange, that even with vampires, they are not depicted as evil and malevolent as they are in the west. Often, vampires in our cultures act as vengeful beings who carry out the revenge of somebody. They often are depicted as men, who came back from the dead to defend their family. But not any man can do this, they have to carry some kind of special quality in their bodies.



I don't know why this is the way it is with our cultures. I tried to find some answer to this but there is nothing concrete. Maybe because the proto-slavic tribes migrated from east. The far east, with origins from Mu/Lemuria. So, like Asia today, we have kept a generally neutral and positive viewpoints to these beings.

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I've read about both, and correct me if I'm wrong here, but are we mixing channeled information with tangible evidence (albeit open to interpretation, i.e. sumerian tablets, history of bloodlines, Dragon Sovereignty, etymology etc)

I remember all of the information about the Draconians/Reptilian/Greys interstellar heritage being mostly channeled material... Just sayin'.. hard to verify IMO set aside intuition...

Well, nope. There's channeled material, true, but the most of it is derived from contact basis.

[Ishtar]

Justoneman,

I have no objection to Drake being a Dragon, whatever that turns out to mean, (and I haven't ruled out Dungeons and Dragons either.)

I have an objection to him lying.

The first and most basic requirement of someone walking a spiritual path is authenticity and telling the truth at all times.

I explained about the importance of truth to the spiritual path elsewhere, but perhaps you didn't see it, so I'll repeat it again here. (And interestingly, I wrote this the day before it came out that he had lied about being a dragon ~ I was making the case for the importance of doing our due diligence on Drake and what he claims.)

My experience is that the universe resonates with truth, and so nothing good can ever come from a lie.

Sometimes people believe that the end justifies the means. But in my view, the very fabric and nature of the end is constructed by the means. The means actually create the end, in other words. The means have an impact on how the outcome looks and feels and they also implant a seed into the outcome which contains the means of its eventual destruction. We are co-creators of our own destiny and need, therefore, to act in truth and under truth at all times.

The ancient Vedics put it this way: Sat Chit Ananda. Sat (Truth) is the Chit (Consciousness) of Ananda (Bliss or Goodness). The ancient Greeks put it slightly differently ~ their three pillars upon which the universe was constructed were named Truth, Goodness and Beauty. Without these three pillars standing firm, the centre cannot hold because they are all aspects of each other ~ in other words Truth=Beauty and Beauty=Truth and Goodness=Truth and so on.

In recent years, coming across "The Truth Movement", I have found so much lying and subterfuge and sleight of hand puppetry and pink smoke that I have begun to suspect anything that has the word Truth in the title. Truth has become the new Lies, in so many cases.

So until I'm sure I'm not being lied to, I will remain sceptical of Drake and this whole movement.

[KiwiElf]

"Condemnation, without investigation is the height of ignorance"
- EINSTEIN:

... that is not aimed at any one but every one - in the best possible way :)

( scepticism is healthy Ishtar - with everything :))

[wynderer]

i posted this on another Drake thread, also -- my little burst of hope for the future of Humanity, relying on Drake, Fulford, & Wilcock, is fading away

when people start talking about being members of ancient orders, especially if they are hi up in the order i always suspect some messing w/the mind going on

from Cliff High's Half Past Human

http://halfpasthuman.com/

my opinion is that fulford is lying...
(update at bottom)

i have been repeatedly asked my opinion of the claims being made by Ben Fulford and David Wilcock and this fellow identifying himself as Drake. This is becoming tedious to address in emails.

My opinion is that Drake is full of ****. Further, he does not have the 'contacts', nor position that he claims. In his several radio interviews, the language that he uses brings me to this conclusion.

My opinion is that Ben Fulford is lying. And is he lying not only about the 'mass arrests', but also is clearly fishing in the river of denial about Fukushima. His lies about the financial oppression by the banksters are disinformation that causes emotional turmoil as listeners who do not use discrimination of mind are first taken to the heights of hope, only to crash to deep dispair as reality intrudes on Ben's fantasy.

But he will kill people with his lies about the radiation.

So, i call Benjamin Fulford on his bull****. The financial **** i do not care about (total fantasy on his part), but if he actually has tested for background radiations in dozens of places in and around Tokyo, then please, provide specifics about the types of counters used, the dates, and the actual readings . Otherwise shut the **** up about it. You will cause people to die.

Here on the West Coast of North America our daily background radiations are now 20 to 40 times higher than in my first samples in our area in 2003. Unlike fulford, i actually own two nuclear decay meters, and have them calibrated, and know how to use them, and further know what i am measuring. These were obtained through UnitedNuclear.

Fulford, in my opinion, does not possess the mental acuity to be an accurate reporter of the radiation story in Japan. It is my opinion that he did not participate in any sampling for radiation at all, and is lying about it. Part of the denial syndrome. It will break down soon, not only for Ben, but for millions around the planet.

David Wilcock claims to have 'vetted' the 'drake' by his (david's) previous contacts to 'inside' sources.....sooo...since drake is not as claimed, then this makes David's contacts worthless in validating anything, and, now calls into question ANY and ALL claims he has ever made to any 'inside' source or knowledge. Not that i ever gave David much credence, after all, Wilcock is so naive that he believes what Dan Burish (nee Crain) has to say

[Ishtar]

The importance of telling the truth is not just a moral issue. It's about power. No-one can have any real power (such as one would expect of a Dragon initiate) unless they remain in truth, because coming out of truth takes you out of alignment with the highest Divine Will.

If you think about the word 'true', it can also apply to a line or a straight edge. We talk about a line being true if it is straight and in alignment. This is explained in Far Eastern systems as the Hara Line, which connects us to the spirits above and the spirits below. If the Hara Line is crooked, it cannot run true, and therefore the person cannot get any power from spiritual helpers.

How to keep the Hara Line straight is to say what you think, and to do what you say. This may sound simple, but when I was first taught that I needed to practice it, about 14 years ago, I began to see how often I wasn't actually following through. (Try it for yourself as an experiment for one day, and see how you get on.)


“The Hara line exists on a dimension deeper than the auric field [Ka body]. It exists on the level of intentionality. It is an area of power within the physical body that contains the tan tien*. It is the one [musical] note [or vibration] with which you have drawn up your physical body from your mother, the Earth. It is this one note that holds your body in physical manifestation. Without the one note, you would not have a body. When you change this one note, your entire body will change. Your body is a gelatinous form held together by this one note [or vibration]. This note is the sound that the centre of the Earth makes.”

The above quote is from Barbara Brennan’s book, Light Emerging. As you can see from her diagrams (below) this man’s Hara line is straight at the moment, but he is not being strictly honest with himself about his feelings. Because of this, there is a blockage around the area just above his heart chakra.

http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/hara1.jpg

This blockage means that after some time, his Hara line becomes warped and broken. Thus the man loses his connection to the All That Is and his integrity (the feeling of knowing that you are integral to, or a part of, the All That Is). Therefore, you can no longer draw power from it.

http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/hara2.jpg

I have written more about the Hara Line here (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?2284-Sex-Rites-II-The-Hara-Line-and-the-Aura).

So the point is, it's not about moral condemnation. It's that if Drake doesn't tell the truth, whatever spiritual path he's following will be irrelevant, because he will have no spiritual power.

[wynderer]

The importance of telling the truth is not just a moral issue. It's about power. No-one can have any real power (such as one would expect of a Dragon initiate) unless they remain in truth, because coming out of truth takes you out of alignment with the highest Divine Will.

If you think about the word 'true', it can also apply to a line or a straight edge. We talk about a line being true if it is straight and in alignment. This is explained in Far Eastern systems as the Hara Line, which connects us to the spirits above and the spirits below. If the Hara Line is crooked, it cannot run true, and therefore the person cannot get any power from spiritual helpers.

How to keep the Hara Line straight is to say what you think, and to do what you say. This may sound simple, but when I was first taught that I needed to practice it, about 14 years ago, I began to see how often I wasn't actually following through. (Try it for yourself as an experiment for one day, and see how you get on.)


“The Hara line exists on a dimension deeper than the auric field [Ka body]. It exists on the level of intentionality. It is an area of power within the physical body that contains the tan tien*. It is the one [musical] note [or vibration] with which you have drawn up your physical body from your mother, the Earth. It is this one note that holds your body in physical manifestation. Without the one note, you would not have a body. When you change this one note, your entire body will change. Your body is a gelatinous form held together by this one note [or vibration]. This note is the sound that the centre of the Earth makes.”

The above quote is from Barbara Brennan’s book, Light Emerging. As you can see from her diagrams (below) this man’s Hara line is straight at the moment, but he is not being strictly honest with himself about his feelings. Because of this, there is a blockage around the area just above his heart chakra.

http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/hara1.jpg

This blockage means that after some time, his Hara line becomes warped and broken. Thus the man loses his connection to the All That Is and his integrity (the feeling of knowing that you are integral to, or a part of, the All That Is). Therefore, you can no longer draw power from it.

http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/hara2.jpg

I have written more about the Hara Line here (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?2284-Sex-Rites-II-The-Hara-Line-and-the-Aura).

So the point is, it's not about moral condemnation. It's that if Drake doesn't tell the truth, whatever spiritual path he's following will be irrelevant, because he will have no spiritual power.

very interesting, Ishtar

since this is a Dragon thread, i'm going to relate what you posted to the Reptilians -- as i see it, Dragon = Draco = Reptilian -- the Dracos are the royal caste of the Reptilians [as in Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon ]

many many researchers & experiencers have come to the conclusion that the Reptilians [& their liitle helpers the Greys, & maybe others] feed on the emotions of Humans -- & perhaps on our spiritual energy, including the awakened & flowing/moving Kundalini

from Ishtar: No-one can have any real power (such as one would expect of a Dragon initiate) unless they remain in truth, because coming out of truth takes you out of alignment with the highest Divine Will.

it's known that Reptilians practice deception on a regular basis -- it's likely that this carries over into their interactions w/each other, at least for those not of the strictly hive-mind castes -- also they think they are God -- untruths -- cutting them off from the Source/Creator, & thus creating their need to control & feed off other beings -- it also explains the big push for hybrid bodies -- they know that they are de-volving, & are trying to establish a strong foothold in 3D bodies

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

All this talk of "Dragon = Draco = Reptilian" I wonder who long before the baner/banner's of certain countries & counties are brought into the equation?

Does that piece of dust that folk chase in the wind really have a purpose?

[sdv]

Why does he lend creedence to the U.N. and the International Court at The Hague? We need THEIR blessings to establish our sovereignty? I think not.
Somehow most folk here do not seem to get this one - This is a notification process - It is meant to be what has been stated to be a key requirement of the 90% to get them further (and perhaps fully) on board.

What some folk here do not seem to get is that there has been no notification, filing following the proper portocols and whatever Drake has said. This is a bogus claim. And yes, you do need acknowledgement from the UN, because a country cannot be an independent country if it is not recognised as so by the international community, of which it is part. There is no need to have anything to do with the ICJ at all until such time as there is a dispute between two countries recognised by the UN as independent coutries. As I have said previously, since the USA does not accept judgements of the ICJ as binding, it seems rather pointless to try to solve a dispute with the USA via the ICJ anyway.

[sdv]

Thannks Ishtar for sharing information about the HAra Line. I wanted to ask you to start a new thread to share what we can practically do, and then realised that the answer (not the practice) is so simple that I almost missed it:

How to keep the Hara Line straight is to say what you think, and to do what you say.

It resonates with the Four Agreementts, and is worth printing and putting it up on a wall beside my bed so I can remind myself of that intent every day.

[Ishtar]

Thannks Ishtar for sharing information about the HAra Line. I wanted to ask you to start a new thread to share what we can practically do, and then realised that the answer (not the practice) is so simple that I almost missed it:

How to keep the Hara Line straight is to say what you think, and to do what you say.

It resonates with the Four Agreementts, and is worth printing and putting it up on a wall beside my bed so I can remind myself of that intent every day.

I found that the trickiest bit, sdv, was not so much being honest with others, but being honest with myself.

[sdv]

Kabbalah (kəˈbɑːlə): I do study the Kabbalah (still a beginner student!), so if anyone wants to start a thread for discussion ...

I understand it on a few levels (especially as I am also a student of the crowley tarot) but have also found very practical applications for this wisdom.

[Fred Steeves]

I found that the trickiest bit, sdv, was not so much being honest with others, but being honest with myself.

The adventure of a lifetime right there.

[wynderer]

Kabbalah (kəˈbɑːlə): I do study the Kabbalah (still a beginner student!), so if anyone wants to start a thread for discussion ...

I understand it on a few levels (especially as I am also a student of the crowley tarot) but have also found very practical applications for this wisdom.

you're dippin your toe in the darkside waters w/crowley -- be careful -- the current is swift & the waters are deep & dark

[sdv]

you're dippin your toe in the darkside waters w/crowley -- be careful -- the current is swift & the waters are deep & dark

Thanks for concern. I am aware of the dark work he (Crowley) did and always protect myself. It is not the magick that is bad but the intent of the person using it. Crowley wanted to (and did) call up entities (bit fuzzy here about if I am using the correct terminology) to empower himself. I don't even try to call on entities or seek control in any way. I am also very careful in that I am always conscious that ultimately I can accept the knowledge transmitted to me by the Tarot or I can dismiss it. For me, the Tarot, like the Kabbalah, is a book of knowledge through which I can understand myself and my life, at a mundame level and in terms of my destiny (which I see as seeds sown and seeds sprouted).

[Chester]

Justoneman,

I have no objection to Drake being a Dragon, whatever that turns out to mean, (and I haven't ruled out Dungeons and Dragons either.)

I have an objection to him lying.

The first and most basic requirement of someone walking a spiritual path is authenticity and telling the truth at all times.

I explained about the importance of truth to the spiritual path elsewhere, but perhaps you didn't see it, so I'll repeat it again here. (And interestingly, I wrote this the day before it came out that he had lied about being a dragon ~ I was making the case for the importance of doing our due diligence on Drake and what he claims.)

My experience is that the universe resonates with truth, and so nothing good can ever come from a lie.

Sometimes people believe that the end justifies the means. But in my view, the very fabric and nature of the end is constructed by the means. The means actually create the end, in other words. The means have an impact on how the outcome looks and feels and they also implant a seed into the outcome which contains the means of its eventual destruction. We are co-creators of our own destiny and need, therefore, to act in truth and under truth at all times.

The ancient Vedics put it this way: Sat Chit Ananda. Sat (Truth) is the Chit (Consciousness) of Ananda (Bliss or Goodness). The ancient Greeks put it slightly differently ~ their three pillars upon which the universe was constructed were named Truth, Goodness and Beauty. Without these three pillars standing firm, the centre cannot hold because they are all aspects of each other ~ in other words Truth=Beauty and Beauty=Truth and Goodness=Truth and so on.

In recent years, coming across "The Truth Movement", I have found so much lying and subterfuge and sleight of hand puppetry and pink smoke that I have begun to suspect anything that has the word Truth in the title. Truth has become the new Lies, in so many cases.

So until I'm sure I'm not being lied to, I will remain sceptical of Drake and this whole movement.

Hi Ishtar - I have not heard anything from Drake's broadcasts where he states his is STILL a participatory member of any Dragon societies (nor any other similar societies) - so technically he has not yet crossed the line of what you are labeling as a lie.

But having said that, I fully grant you, based on Vivek's research, the chances that if he had been a "card carrying" member of any such societies, he may still be today.

If this is the case, you can call him a St Peter to use an allegory. Perhaps he simply wants to avoid having to go through the exercise I have gone through in explaining the little I know about about the varying paths of Dragons, understanding how misunderstood that whole subject can be - especially the bloodline component - in fact that is the core issue which could be a whole thread upon its own.

What clearly gets to me is the tone. Have you never done what Drake perhaps may be doing? If you have, have those who know you called you out as a "liar" and essentially cast you out of their lives as you can never more be of any value in service to others? Likely not, they overlooked the matter as they saw the whole of the person you are which from all I have seen, I personally feel is quite awesome and wished I knew you in the flesh.

Anyway - and I am an oddsmaker by trade - so I will put up the following odds based on the information we have from everyone here on this thread.

Has Drake ever been affiliated with any Dragon (or other) societies?
Yes 99%
No 1%

Is it likely that Drake is still (today) an official member of a Dragon (or other) "secret" society based on what he said, specifically the broadcast from Sunday, April 22nd?
Yes 75%
No 25%

If the answer is Yes to the above, is that membership with a malevolent Dragon (or other) society?
Yes 1%
No 99%


Is it possible he misrepresented himself in this same broadcast to the level he can be labeled a "technically" a liar?
Yes 75%
No 25%

But honestly, I am reluctant to place odds on that because what one person could call a lie, another would see the truth was expressed in his first answer - one has to be able to read a bit between the words to get that answer.

His second response of No was targeted to the "literals" and likely, technically, is false.

Let me ask this - when the inquisition was in full swing - if you were a Cathar (which was basically a Gnostic of their day) and you and your loved ones were rounded up and you were asked if you were a Cathar, how would you respond? If you did say, "Yes," how would you (if you would) judge any of your loved ones if they said, "No?"

If you examine the tone of over and over calling him a "liar" does that not suggest remnants of the inquisition?

Let me put one more set of odds up.

Are we, humanity, at the place in evolution of our spirit (collectively) worthy of becoming free physical beings? (worthy of avoiding total and final enslavement which is the intended end game of at least some of the elite)?
Yes
No

I will leave my opinion out of this one.

[Ishtar]

Justoneman

You have so many questions of me, and each time I answer one, it creates even more questions in your mind. You are never satisfied, and this is taking up a lot of my time ~ time that I don't really have.

I have laid out the spiritual teaching on the importance of truth telling in terms of accessing spiritual power. I have laid out why I think that Drake is a liar on this one issue.

I'm not about telling people what to think. I am about telling people why I think the way I do. There is a difference.

There are many people in this thread that I would disagree with on certain details. But I don't hammer away at them in some of kind of interrogation to try to get them change their minds so that they agree with me. That's mainly because I know they are honest in the conclusions they've drawn according to their world view. My world view is different and I've explained why, to anyone who's interested. After that, people are free to make up their own minds.

So let me ask you a couple of questions, instead.

Why is what I think so important to you?

And why is it so important to you to try to change what I think?

And finally, why are you not comfortable enough in your own truth to just let others be... and let life take its course?

If this Drake military coup is going to happen, the wheels will already be in motion, and nothing that gets said here will make any difference to that, especially from someone with as little influence as myself.

[wynderer]

this is kind of funny -- your planet is going down in flames & you write a nice leisurely post about someone's membership or not in some card-carrying group -- it reminds me of the 'Source A' psy-op on Open Minds [so it seemed to me, a psy-op] when at the end they were arguing about someone's name tag -- & taking it seriously as being a part of getting 'Disclosure' to happen [!?!] & i think it was the wearer of the nametag [a lot of murkiness around the edges of 'Source A' as w/Drake ] who was photographed wearing leather -- & not much of it -- on a chain & leash -- so they got a little porn in there too


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Hi Ishtar - I have not heard anything from Drake's broadcasts where he states his is STILL a participatory member of any Dragon societies (nor any other similar societies) - so technically he has not yet crossed the line of what you are labeling as a lie.

But having said that, I fully grant you, based on Vivek's research, the chances that if he had been a "card carrying" member of any such societies, he may still be today.

If this is the case, you can call him a St Peter to use an allegory. Perhaps he simply wants to avoid having to go through the exercise I have gone through in explaining the little I know about about the varying paths of Dragons, understanding how misunderstood that whole subject can be - especially the bloodline component - in fact that is the core issue which could be a whole thread upon its own.

What clearly gets to me is the tone. Have you never done what Drake perhaps may be doing? If you have, have those who know you called you out as a "liar" and essentially cast you out of their lives as you can never more be of any value in service to others? Likely not, they overlooked the matter as the saw the whole of the person you are which from all I have seen, I personally feel is quite awesome and wished I knew you in the flesh.

Anyway - and I am an oddsmaker by trade - so I will put up the following odds based on the information we have from everyone here on this thread.

Has Drake ever been affiliated with any Dragon (or other) societies?
Yes 99%
No 1%

Is it likely that Drake is still (today) an official member of a Dragon (or other) "secret" society based on what he said, specifically the broadcast from Sunday, April 22nd?
Yes 75%
No 25%

If the answer is Yes to the above, is that membership with a malevolent Dragon (or other) society?
Yes 1%
No 99%


Is it possible he misrepresented himself in this same broadcast to the level he can be labeled a "technically" a liar?
Yes 75%
No 25%

But honestly, I am reluctant to place odds on that because what one person could call a lie, another would see the truth was expressed in his first answer - one has to be able to read a bit between the words to get that answer.
His second response of No was targeted to the "literals" and likely, technically, is false.

Let me ask this - when the inquisition was in full swing - if you were a Cathar (which was basically a Gnostic of their day) and you and your loved ones were rounded up and you were asked if you were a Cathar, how would you respond? If you did say, "Yes," how would you (if you would) judge any of your loved ones if they said, "No?"

If you examine the tone of over and over calling him a "liar" does that not suggest remnants of the inquisition?

Let me put one more set of odds up.

Are we, humanity, at the place in evolution of our spirit (collectively) worthy of becoming free physical beings? (worthy of avoiding total and final enslavement which is the intended end game of at least some of the elite)?
Yes
No

I will leave my opinion out of this one.

[Chester]

Thannks Ishtar for sharing information about the HAra Line. I wanted to ask you to start a new thread to share what we can practically do, and then realised that the answer (not the practice) is so simple that I almost missed it:

How to keep the Hara Line straight is to say what you think, and to do what you say.

It resonates with the Four Agreementts, and is worth printing and putting it up on a wall beside my bed so I can remind myself of that intent every day.

The Four Agreements - Be impeccable with your word (Don Miguel states this is 75% of the whole ballgame), don't make assumptions, don't take things personally and always do your best - don't need it on my wall to know them

Don Miguel happens to be a Nigal Master - which is a Dragon lineage - The word Nigal means dragon - That's where the Toltec teachings come from, they had been handed down by the Dragon masters within their lineage. Fortunately for them, they did not get wiped out by the Spanish and were able to preserve the teachings of their Dragon lineage. This is fact, check it out for yourself.

Does this change the value of the Four Agreements? Does this now make Don Miguel a bad guy? Should we now send the inquisition after him?

I suggest you consider the possibility that there could be other Dragon lineages that are not imposters. Grouping all Dragons into this Hara line demonstrates a lack of sufficient historical knowledge. I suggest further research.

[Chester]

A master once told me - Truth is what is true for you at the moment you decide its true and there's one really true thing about truth, it usually, almost always changes.

[wynderer]

i should think one would want one's impeccability w/word to be 100% -- ?


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The Four Agreements - Be impeccable with your word is 75%, don't make assumptions, don't take things personally and always do your best - don't need it on my wall to know them

Don Miguel happens to be a Nigal Master - which is a Dragon lineage - The word Nigal means dragon - That's where the Toltec teachings come from, they had been handed down by the Dragon masters within their lineage. Fortunately for them, they did not get wiped out by the Spanish and were able to preserve the teachings of their Dragon lineage. This is fact, check it out for yourself.

Does this change the value of the Four Agreements? Does this now make Don Miguel a bad guy? Should we now send the inquisition after him?

I suggest you consider the possibility that there could be other Dragon lineages that are not imposters. Grouping all Dragons into this Hara line demonstrates a lack of sufficient historical knowledge. I suggest further research.

[Chester]

A color blind person was asked by a friend what color was a car that drove by - the car happened to be red - the answer given by the color blind person was grey. Did he lie?

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Don Miguel said that being impeccable with your word was 75% of the whole ballgame - I will edit my post to clarify what I meant - thanks for pointing out how it can be misunderstood

[sdv]

I have no interest in what groups Drake belongs to or has belonged to. Is what he says credible, verifiable, reasonable, true? No. I have checked, and what he says is a load of hogwash, which keeps changing but just to another version of hogwash. I cannot pronounce judgement on Drake the person as I do not know him at all (and even if I did), but I am not going to go along with and believe what he says when it is not verifiable, credible, reasonable and true.

[Ishtar]

Justoneman,

(I see you've edited your post now... I had already written this).

No-one is being criticised for being in a Dragon order.

No-one is accusing Drake of being an imposter.

Of course the Toltec practises would be in line with all the other Dragon groups which stem from the spiritual practises of the Serpent Cults (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?13-The-Serpent-Cult), which were widespread across the civilised world in pre Christian times, which in themselves stem from the observations of natural laws which were discovered by the shamans of old. Everyone was teaching more or less the same thing, at the core.

When I'm talking about the Hara Line, I'm talking about that natural law. It doesn't matter whether one uses a Far Eastern label for it. It exists above and beyond the label.

Whatever Dragon Order anyone is in, they are still subject to natural laws.

[Chester]

Kabbalah (kəˈbɑːlə): I do study the Kabbalah (still a beginner student!), so if anyone wants to start a thread for discussion ...

I understand it on a few levels (especially as I am also a student of the crowley tarot) but have also found very practical applications for this wisdom.

The Kabbalah happens to have been handed down by dragons - it is now apparent that few here are willing to consider, much less accept, that there are dragon's (imposters) which are service to self and Dragon masters that are in full service to others.

Sad to me this likelihood - apparently the inquisition is still alive and well - no wonder so many dragon lineages have remained under the surface - I was hoping these times it could resurface but as we all know - I Hope a lot.

Edit (I did not see Ishatr's post just above) - It now appears clear to me that Ishar recognizes there could be Dragon lineages that honor "natural law" and perhaps posses other noble attributes and have honorable intentions - up until now I was perceiving most posts that intimated associations with ANY Dragon society as automatically making someone to be a bad guy. Thank You, Ishtar for clearly making this distinction.

[Chester]

Kabbalah (kəˈbɑːlə): I do study the Kabbalah (still a beginner student!), so if anyone wants to start a thread for discussion ...

I understand it on a few levels (especially as I am also a student of the crowley tarot) but have also found very practical applications for this wisdom.

you're dippin your toe in the darkside waters w/crowley -- be careful -- the current is swift & the waters are deep & dark

Agree - but I say that due to my own experience - each of us must decide for themselves if that is true for them - check out Kerry Cassidy's interview with Leo Zagami - you will learn that a segment of the PTB/Ws are obsessed with Crowley - His Book of the Law and the coming Age of Horus - these are imposters, not Dragon masters

[Chester]

you're dippin your toe in the darkside waters w/crowley -- be careful -- the current is swift & the waters are deep & dark

Thanks for concern. I am aware of the dark work he (Crowley) did and always protect myself. It is not the magick that is bad but the intent of the person using it. Crowley wanted to (and did) call up entities (bit fuzzy here about if I am using the correct terminology) to empower himself. I don't even try to call on entities or seek control in any way. I am also very careful in that I am always conscious that ultimately I can accept the knowledge transmitted to me by the Tarot or I can dismiss it. For me, the Tarot, like the Kabbalah, is a book of knowledge through which I can understand myself and my life, at a mundame level and in terms of my destiny (which I see as seeds sown and seeds sprouted).

I would suggest to you that any magick that is not solely directed upon the practitioner is imposition of will upon another. And worse than overt force as the target does not know they are the object of a magical act. Who among us is to determine if intentions are good or not for anyone outside of ourselves?

I must exclude if two or more are involved in a magical act that is directed to themselves or one in their group where all participants are in agreement of the act, but why not just become the change you are seeking from the magic?

[Chester]

Ishtar, you have never answered my single question...

Do you believe it possible that a person could have been a member of a Dragon (or any other) society and have officially left that society? Yes or No?

[Chester]

For Ishtar

Why is what I think so important to you?

Because I see seemingly rational explanations as simply avoidance. It is this avoidance that has our world stuck such that the organized imposters (the cabal) can complete their plan for the enslavement of humanity and I have children who will inherit this earth and the life (or not) we leave them.

And why is it so important to you to try to change what I think?


I am not trying to change what you think - I hope to expand it - Specifically regarding the "Drake is a liar" issue, I am hoping to get you and others to see none of us are perfect thus not to require perfection from the folks who may be trying their best to help in a real, hands on, proactive way.

In addition, I have discovered in this thread a great deal of misunderstanding about the various Dragon paths (including the knowledge of the existence of imposters that have usurped and distorted for their own selfish gain the ancient Dragon wisdom).

I have also tried to get us to focus upon how we can actually help. I thought much of the folks here in this forum were oriented to this, I am beginning to think I was wrong.

And finally, why are you not comfortable enough in your own truth to just let others be... and let life take its course?

From your profile, I see you live in the UK. Have you ever drank the water provided to the public in Manchester or London? (I have). Are you satisfied with that water? If you say we have a choice and that we can drink other water, are you satisfied the cost and unnecessary inconvenience one must go through in obtaining clean, free water? Perhaps you can afford to do that but the vast majority of people on this planet cannot. Now let's go one step further. Have you analyzed what they put in our public water? Are you aware what all that stuff does to people who drink it? Have you considered what might be the motivations behind the PTB/Ws as to why they put that stuff in our public water? Is "being in your truth" possibly just an excuse to avoid the realities a huge percentage of humanity is being screwed every day just in the water provided? As just one single example of the long list of similar "truths."

Did the world ever improve from just letting "life take its course" or did it take action for anything to actually change?

I am ready to answer any more questions you have.

[Beren]

Time and again it returns -this theme for all of us here. Ever since Abraxasinas on first Avalon stirred the waters this meme resurrects again.
Namely Dragon lore.

For the record every form of spirit expressions in existence is allowed to be by Creator. Hence my respect for it.
Also it should never be forgotten that if any other type of expression starts to invade free space and will of another , it is a violation of God given right to be.

One thing which is ever persistent in whole this thing about Dragons and their form of expression is a constant invading and persuading tone of how to BECOME a Dragon .

If anyone hasn't noticed yet - I will be the first to say it openly- I do not care to become a Dragon or to be reptillian or to claim them my gods or overlords.

Should I re state this again or repeat it?

Whom ever you are - you are not Dragons you are spirit expression which choose to be identified with this type of energy that later on became Dragon lore and being.
Henceforth you do not have any given rights whatsoever in whole existence to continually persuade other spirit expressions that they should become YOU.
If you do not change your approach it might get rough on your side.

Or at the best case you might end up being left out to continue your wind down path towards self destruction of self service and fear.

Leave human kind be.

Depart into your own twisted perceptions about light and darkness, keep your logic for yourself and know that you are seen who you really are beneath your cloak of heavenly wisdom and godhead.
True godhead is in all if you didn't noticed and sacredness of life is unbreakable.

Life isn't about a lie or force or desire to rule over anyone, life 's about BEing your highest expression and if yours is this that you already show- then fare well into other realms far away from us.
I didn't came again into this Earth to be enslaved by your interplanetary greed.
Or should I name it fully Universal greed for you don't realize the spirit you serve for.

I respect your needs and wished but spare me from them, those aren't mine and my brother's and sister's.
Adio and God speed wherever you might roam.
Eventually we will all return to Source from whence we all emerged.

[sdv]

I would suggest to you that any magick that is not solely directed upon the practitioner is imposition of will upon another. And worse than overt force as the target has no clue magick they are the subject of a magical act.Who among us is to determine if intentions are good or not for anyone outside of ourselves?

I must exclude if two or more are involved in a magical act that is directed to themselves or one in their group where all participants are in agreement of the act, but why not just become the change you are seeking from the magic?

I see what you mean. So, even if my intent is good (as judged by myself) the consequences of magick is not necessarily good (even if directed at myself).

I use the Tarot and Kabbalah for information, usually mundane. I use the deck created by Crowley for its artistry. I don't ever use them for magick. It's like going to an oracle and saying 'what am I not seeing in this situation?' (because we are often blind to our own faults or mistakes or what in us is holding us back from the change we want to be).

I found a source of very practical mundance application of the lessons of the Kabbalah that does not include any of the magickal symbols or words.

Anyway, to get back to Drake - I would never judge him for being a member of any society or following any kind of path. It does scare him how so many people are surrendering their minds and hanging on to his every word - he is becoming like a messiah to them. It has reached the stage where they believe anything and everything he says. They have abandoned reason. Would they do anything he says? Anything? If Drake finds power to be an alluring elixer he might just require his followers to do anything he says they should.

[Jeffrey]

...even more important, opened humanity to Self-Knowledge that we are Infinite Spirit. This is the ultimate realization of a Dragon Master....

So, that solves the Dragon Master title.

Now, what of the "White Dragon"?

There are, I think, two warring factions when it comes to the dragon bloodlines relative to this context. I will eventually get to Prophetaie Merlini, but first I will start with this.


This is how Eindri or Thor is described in the Edda and Waddell concluded from considerable research that the European god, Thor, and the Hindu god, Indra, were the same person, and that this guy was also the first "Aryan" king of Sumer. The Vedas connect Indra to the Greek god Zeus, also known as Jupiter. Some Sanskrit scholars regarded Indra as the same as Jupiter and suggested that he was a heroic human king who had led the early Aryans or "Nordics" to victory against the "serpent cult".

Waddell produces a stream of evidence to show that the Hindu god, Indra, and the European, Thor, after whom we get Thursday or "Thors-day", are the same person or deity. He also says that the legend of Thor is the origin of the legends of King Arthur. Thor is known in the Edda as Her-Thor, which became Ar-Thur. Both Her and Ar come from the same root meaning...Aryan.15 The mist began to clear even further when Waddell observed that the name of the first Aryan king of the Sumerians in ancient Mesopotamia had the name of Indara, In Dur, In-Tur, or King Tur...Like Thor, Indara was also portrayed with a hammer by the Sumerians...

The Edda tells the story of how Thor-Indara fought a constant battle with the serpent cult. The text equates "St George", the dragon-slayer of Cappadocia (Turkey), with the European god, Thor, who was also a "dragon-slayer". Both were said to have fought the "serpent dragons of the abyss" -their underground cavern systems and bases? In the Edda, the serpent cult engages in human sacrifice and blood drinking.

Same old story, and again we see the theme of the Nordics or "Aryans" in conflict with the serpent people.


Source: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/matrix/matrix09.htm

Okay, my head is starting to hurt and I think I'm going cross-eyed from reading through everything...

Here is Prophetiae Merlini. In it are Dragons, specifically The Red Dragon (the Britons), and the White Dragon (Saxons). The dialogue is cryptic and full of symbolism, have fun.

http://www.crystalinks.com/merlin.html

[Chester]

Time and again it returns -this theme for all of us here. Ever since Abraxasinas on first Avalon stirred the waters this meme resurrects again.
Namely Dragon lore.

For the record every form of spirit expressions in existence is allowed to be by Creator. Hence my respect for it.
Also it should never be forgotten that if any other type of expression starts to invade free space and will of another , it is a violation of God given right to be.

One thing which is ever persistent in whole this thing about Dragons and their form of expression is a constant invading and persuading tone of how to BECOME a Dragon .

If anyone hasn't noticed yet - I will be the first to say it openly- I do not care to become a Dragon or to be reptillian or to claim them my gods or overlords.

Should I re state this again or repeat it?

Whom ever you are - you are not Dragons you are spirit expression which choose to be identified with this type of energy that later on became Dragon lore and being.
Henceforth you do not have any given rights whatsoever in whole existence to continually persuade other spirit expressions that they should become YOU.
If you do not change your approach it might get rough on your side.

Or at the best case you might end up being left out to continue your wind down path towards self destruction of self service and fear.

Leave human kind be.

Depart into your own twisted perceptions about light and darkness, keep your logic for yourself and know that you are seen who you really are beneath your cloak of heavenly wisdom and godhead.
True godhead is in all if you didn't noticed and sacredness of life is unbreakable.

Life isn't about a lie or force or desire to rule over anyone, life 's about BEing your highest expression and if yours is this that you already show- then fare well into other realms far away from us.
I didn't came again into this Earth to be enslaved by your interplanetary greed.
Or should I name it fully Universal greed for you don't realize the spirit you serve for.

I respect your needs and wished but spare me from them, those aren't mine and my brother's and sister's.
Adio and God speed wherever you might roam.
Eventually we will all return to Source from whence we all emerged.

Total misunderstanding once again. "Dragon" as I have referenced is simply a metaphor as well as the dragon myths handed down. In some cases it is a title given out of respect for its metaphorical meanings. To take it literally is a mistake.

But to close the door on what may awaken within one by contemplating on such metaphors (and we are inundated with them in our daily lives) reduces one to a pure physical and materialistic form of existence - no different than being the walking dead. Permanent 3D/5 sense prison = we should pat the cabal on the back right now for perhaps they have already won.

[Jeffrey]

For Ishtar

Why is what I think so important to you?

Because I see seemingly rational explanations as simply avoidance. It is this avoidance that has our world stuck such that the organized imposters (the cabal) can complete their plan for the enslavement of humanity and I have children who will inherit this earth and the life (or not) we leave them.

And why is it so important to you to try to change what I think?


I am not trying to change what you think - I hope to expand it - Specifically regarding the "Drake is a liar" issue, I am hoping to get you and others to see none of us are perfect thus not to require perfection from the folks who may be trying their best to help in a real, hands on, proactive way.

In addition, I have discovered in this thread a great deal of misunderstanding about the various Dragon paths (including the knowledge of the existence of imposters that have usurped and distorted for their own selfish gain the ancient Dragon wisdom).

I have also tried to get us to focus upon how we can actually help. I thought much of the folks here in this forum were oriented to this, I am beginning to think I was wrong.

And finally, why are you not comfortable enough in your own truth to just let others be... and let life take its course?

From your profile, I see you live in the UK. Have you ever drank the water provided to the public in Manchester or London? (I have). Are you satisfied with that water? If you say we have a choice and that we can drink other water, are you satisfied the cost and unnecessary inconvenience one must go through in obtaining clean, free water? Perhaps you can afford to do that but the vast majority of people on this planet cannot. Now let's go one step further. Have you analyzed what they put in our public water? Are you aware what all that stuff does to people who drink it? Have you considered what might be the motivations behind the PTB/Ws as to why they put that stuff in our public water? Is "being in your truth" possibly just an excuse to avoid the realities a huge percentage of humanity is being screwed every day just in the water provided? As just one single example of the long list of similar "truths."

Did the world ever improve from just letting "life take its course" or did it take action for anything to actually change?

I am ready to answer any more questions you have.

Can y'all please take this to PMs?

[Unified Serenity]

The Dragon bloodline is not about real dragons. It's a Title, like "Lion of Judah" ;) .

Do you worship a Lion or was that a symbol of his regal stature? The Dragon bloodlines are ancient and quite possibly have a genetic predisposition to certain skills and abilities that may or may not have been awakened and given instruction on their usage by other beings like the Nephilim.

It is the same with the stories about the elves, gnomes etc.. They created odd fairy tales.. yes fairies too... to take away the awe and power these groups possessed. They were mainly killed off, but they were not lil tiny people with pointed hats and ears. I found that article I posted the links about regarding the Dragon bloodlines fascinating in how history has been destroyed to blind us and fool us into ultimately again serving them.

[GoodETxSG]

For Ishtar

Why is what I think so important to you?

Because I see seemingly rational explanations as simply avoidance. It is this avoidance that has our world stuck such that the organized imposters (the cabal) can complete their plan for the enslavement of humanity and I have children who will inherit this earth and the life (or not) we leave them.

And why is it so important to you to try to change what I think?


I am not trying to change what you think - I hope to expand it - Specifically regarding the "Drake is a liar" issue, I am hoping to get you and others to see none of us are perfect thus not to require perfection from the folks who may be trying their best to help in a real, hands on, proactive way.

In addition, I have discovered in this thread a great deal of misunderstanding about the various Dragon paths (including the knowledge of the existence of imposters that have usurped and distorted for their own selfish gain the ancient Dragon wisdom).

I have also tried to get us to focus upon how we can actually help. I thought much of the folks here in this forum were oriented to this, I am beginning to think I was wrong.

And finally, why are you not comfortable enough in your own truth to just let others be... and let life take its course?

From your profile, I see you live in the UK. Have you ever drank the water provided to the public in Manchester or London? (I have). Are you satisfied with that water? If you say we have a choice and that we can drink other water, are you satisfied the cost and unnecessary inconvenience one must go through in obtaining clean, free water? Perhaps you can afford to do that but the vast majority of people on this planet cannot. Now let's go one step further. Have you analyzed what they put in our public water? Are you aware what all that stuff does to people who drink it? Have you considered what might be the motivations behind the PTB/Ws as to why they put that stuff in our public water? Is "being in your truth" possibly just an excuse to avoid the realities a huge percentage of humanity is being screwed every day just in the water provided? As just one single example of the long list of similar "truths."

Did the world ever improve from just letting "life take its course" or did it take action for anything to actually change?

I am ready to answer any more questions you have.

Can y'all please take this to PMs?

Okay, Creepy much? :eek:

[Chester]

apologies to Vivek and all - also to Unified Serenity and to Ishtar as I became unnecessarily aggressive -
justoneman

[wynderer]

bump -- right on, bro -- say it like it is


Time and again it returns -this theme for all of us here. Ever since Abraxasinas on first Avalon stirred the waters this meme resurrects again.
Namely Dragon lore.

For the record every form of spirit expressions in existence is allowed to be by Creator. Hence my respect for it.
Also it should never be forgotten that if any other type of expression starts to invade free space and will of another , it is a violation of God given right to be.

One thing which is ever persistent in whole this thing about Dragons and their form of expression is a constant invading and persuading tone of how to BECOME a Dragon .

If anyone hasn't noticed yet - I will be the first to say it openly- I do not care to become a Dragon or to be reptillian or to claim them my gods or overlords.

Should I re state this again or repeat it?

Whom ever you are - you are not Dragons you are spirit expression which choose to be identified with this type of energy that later on became Dragon lore and being.
Henceforth you do not have any given rights whatsoever in whole existence to continually persuade other spirit expressions that they should become YOU.
If you do not change your approach it might get rough on your side.

Or at the best case you might end up being left out to continue your wind down path towards self destruction of self service and fear.

Leave human kind be.

Depart into your own twisted perceptions about light and darkness, keep your logic for yourself and know that you are seen who you really are beneath your cloak of heavenly wisdom and godhead.
True godhead is in all if you didn't noticed and sacredness of life is unbreakable.

Life isn't about a lie or force or desire to rule over anyone, life 's about BEing your highest expression and if yours is this that you already show- then fare well into other realms far away from us.
I didn't came again into this Earth to be enslaved by your interplanetary greed.
Or should I name it fully Universal greed for you don't realize the spirit you serve for.

I respect your needs and wished but spare me from them, those aren't mine and my brother's and sister's.
Adio and God speed wherever you might roam.
Eventually we will all return to Source from whence we all emerged.

[Jeffrey]

apologies to Vivek and all - also to Unified serenity - justoneman

No biggie man. Btw does anybody know when Drakes next live interview is.. I couldn't find it on freedomreigns, or it could just be that my eyes haven't uncrossed yet.

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Time and again it returns -this theme for all of us here. Ever since Abraxasinas on first Avalon stirred the waters this meme resurrects again.
Namely Dragon lore.

For the record every form of spirit expressions in existence is allowed to be by Creator. Hence my respect for it.
Also it should never be forgotten that if any other type of expression starts to invade free space and will of another , it is a violation of God given right to be.

One thing which is ever persistent in whole this thing about Dragons and their form of expression is a constant invading and persuading tone of how to BECOME a Dragon .

If anyone hasn't noticed yet - I will be the first to say it openly- I do not care to become a Dragon or to be reptillian or to claim them my gods or overlords.

Should I re state this again or repeat it?

Whom ever you are - you are not Dragons you are spirit expression which choose to be identified with this type of energy that later on became Dragon lore and being.
Henceforth you do not have any given rights whatsoever in whole existence to continually persuade other spirit expressions that they should become YOU.
If you do not change your approach it might get rough on your side.

Or at the best case you might end up being left out to continue your wind down path towards self destruction of self service and fear.

Leave human kind be.

Depart into your own twisted perceptions about light and darkness, keep your logic for yourself and know that you are seen who you really are beneath your cloak of heavenly wisdom and godhead.
True godhead is in all if you didn't noticed and sacredness of life is unbreakable.

Life isn't about a lie or force or desire to rule over anyone, life 's about BEing your highest expression and if yours is this that you already show- then fare well into other realms far away from us.
I didn't came again into this Earth to be enslaved by your interplanetary greed.
Or should I name it fully Universal greed for you don't realize the spirit you serve for.

I respect your needs and wished but spare me from them, those aren't mine and my brother's and sister's.
Adio and God speed wherever you might roam.
Eventually we will all return to Source from whence we all emerged.

Thank god for this post, I may have otherwise read the entire thread and wasted my precious time 8)

I had a feeling that this is where we were going to wind up. I remember the end of PA1 well, and it was a really thrilling rabbit hole but I think I sunk too much of my time then to be enticed now.

Hoo-ah! I am a human be-ing!

[Chester]

apologies to Vivek and all - also to Unified serenity - justoneman

No biggie man. Btw does anybody know when Drakes next live interview is.. I couldn't find it on freedomreigns, or it could just be that my eyes haven't uncrossed yet.

There was a broadcast a day or so back - Avocadess has summarized the content of this broadcast in several posts - the following link starts at page 28 of the Drake: Updates... thread and has the link to the broadcast.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43793-Drake-Updates-clarifications-and-more/page28

[Woody]

Hi, i think drake is on off planet radio tonight for a 2 hour show.
Sorry i dont have a link.
Regards colin

He is being interviewed by randy maugans.

[christian]

So the point is, it's not about moral condemnation. It's that if Drake doesn't tell the truth, whatever spiritual path he's following will be irrelevant, because he will have no spiritual power.

Is it possible, like when 'cheating' a lie detector test, to transcend those boundaries? Could it depend on how you can bend yourself/reality? Like if something is true at some place in the depth and vastness of all-that-is, then it is not a lie. Could that be a source, where one could derive power from? I think this is actually how intentional direct manifestation works.

Or another question: If there would be a burning house and you cannot get in and can only get the children out through convicing them to use their feet and go out, what would you do if they wouldn't care about the fire? Would you tell them, there are shiny new toys waiting outside for them? Even if there were no toys? Would you just create the toys? Could you?

[StarDust]

Hi, i think drake is on off planet radio tonight for a 2 hour show.
Sorry i dont have a link.
Regards colin

He is being interviewed by randy maugans.


I found this through the Wolf Spirit Radio site:

Thursday, April 26th:
9-11 am Tracey Kennedy - Turtle Island News
12-1 pm Rebecca Jernigan - Journeys With Rebecca - Nancey Ogren returns for 2 hours of updates
3-5 pm Randy, Deatra. Sam and Drake - Free Thinking Radio
5-7 pm Sienna Lea, And Rebecca Jernigan - Real Women Stepping Up And The Men That Love Them
7-9 pm Wolf Spirit Radio - Buffalo Talk

http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/main/

Current Schedule (All times are in Pacific Time):

[Jeffrey]

This is an article Drake wrote entitled, "New Math, New Understanding".

http://www.greatdreams.com/grace/NF/newbailymath.html

Here is an excerpt:


Our research group has been working with all kinds of different numbers and systems, these deal with the basis for many of these fringe area sciences, and at first we could not understand them any better than anyone else could. We had no idea as to exactly what we were dealing with.

First the basic concepts of this new math must be understood before anyone can progress, let alone understand.

Within The Sacred Knowledge of The Ancients it is found and explained.

...

This will be a study into a math that has proven to be more accurate than any we have today, in simple whole numbers. It is also unlimited in its capability to handle any numerics of any magnitude or kind as well.
...

Just as in the legendary great earth changes that probably formed our planet, the numbers of the ancients are found in planetary studies. To understand this and put it into perspective, the representatives have been kept through two mediums, they are the Magic Squares and Palindromes. When researched for their origins they are found to be from the period of time of the ancients. The attributes are many, but the applications are an effort by those who originally found evidence of, or experienced these catastrophes.

...

The second order still deals with reality-based ideas, but also with forces beyond the physical, to include all of the range of the ethereal. Those things that are not readily explainable through a reality base. These are the healings, ghosts, and parapsychology. The healing area can be of both the second and third magnitudes. The third order is the ultimate. This is what I refer to as Gods domain, where one passes over to the spiritual level after death. There are many stories dealing with this, but very little proof. Many records of knowing of the existence, loads of beliefs, and nothing on the shelf to show it.

...

From what is available, there seems to have been two island continents of Atlantis. There is solid evidence of the one Plato describes in the Aegean Sea, and there is a persistence of one somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic. If a tectonic plate over rides another, then it is possible that the stories of its destruction are true. Metaphysics has not been realistically dealt with in mathematics or physics. The reason being that it has been termed unreliable by most efforts to establish proof. That leaves two questions unanswered.

It does seem to happen which that brings up how, and the other one deals with the perspective of technology. The how is the subject of several systems that all have practical applications of a non-physical nature. All of these have various structures and ideas associated with them. The interesting part is where the ideologies merge to form that generality of the thread of truth common to all of them. The reality relationships of these might be one of simple ratios as shown numerically. Then there is perception. Human beings express individual perceptions from two primary sources, environment and cognition. The first being all of everything we have experienced in life to the point of making our own independent decision. The second is from forming enough decisions to deviate from the environmental influences.

...

In modern medicine the uses of homemade cures has been deciphered and the working ingredients have been found. Witch doctors, shaman, and holy men regularly exceed these areas through chant and prayer. Pray means to ask. It is used to bring about the power of God. Chant is the action of prayer or the attempt to combine physical activity and prayer. Neither one of these has very much physical evidence as to what actually happens, but they do seem to work.

I have referred to orders of magnitude in the numbers and in our levels of existence. Mathematically these are simple to show but can be very intricate in usage. There are three in both these areas.

1) Physical reality, the first column; 2) Ethereal reality base, beyond physical reality but based from reality; 3) Spiritual reality, non-reality based, but able to affect reality. Numerically these are stated as our own number system in terms of placements. As 000 you have one's, ten's, and hundred's. Each column can have any size number within it. When a meaning or application changes so does the column. The number 432= reality, 4320= Ethereal reality, and 43200= the spiritual reality.

...

When an arc is constructed from the individual heights the three arcs have a convergence point. When time is considered in relation to the physical characteristics and construction, the convergence point of these three arcs matches the Mayan time wave zero point.

Einstein referred to time curvature in his explanation of relativities, and Galileo found reference between linear distance and time in his pendulum experiments in effort to define his new measure the meter. When a graphical of a variant is shown from existence through its normal activity it creates a waveform. The studies in chaos show that there is evidence of order from chaos. Vibratory physics shows that waveform is almost unlimited in its scope. The frequency of the smallest particle to the movement of the cosmos evidences this. The theory of matter being solid light fits very well into this paradigm.

To invert a number is to use the number as the divisor of one, this is termed the inverse relationship. To state this without changing the number itself and show an equation as a whole number the palindrome is used. The best expression of infinity in relation to reality shows a formula expressed as a number ratio called pi. So far this is the only master number formula known. Glyphs from all over the planet use the sun sign of that respective culture to designate the zero that defines which column is referenced. So these people knew these things and used them readily.

The relation of convergence to inversion is simple in plain geometry. You cross the reference line just as a fraction is made of the whole number when its inverse relationship is needed. In one you change what you are dealing with, in the other you change the polarity or meaning. From the point of view of a solid object you must turn it inside out. This is the case with the convergence point of the time wave zero point. The other idea of inverse relationships deals with reverting to what was before. According to what is evidenced from the ancients, that is what we are to do. Becoming more sensitive to the ethereal and oriented as a whole more to mother earth.

...

The deciphering of the cuneiform writings provides the insight that we are not only not alone, but that an alien benefactor very well could have aided man early on and is to return at some point in our future. I will propose that as most civilizations on our planet go, so do these visitors. The same diversities must apply. This allows for the door to be left unlocked, just our minds must remain open to the new, so that our imagination might be allowed to provide the impossible dreams required to keep our quest for answers to our curiosities under question.

The whole article is a little too technical for me, I wouldn't be good a judging the validity of the math/physics/numerology of it, but feel free to click the link and read it for yourself.

[the_vast_mystery]

Wow, I'm still going over a lot of the material linked here but seriously, THANK YOU to Vivek and everyone for posting this mountain of Data. In my life the chief Synchronicity always revolved heavily around Dragons. (Strange people, places and things all involving some form of Dragon or draconic motif) After reading some of the material here (My mom obsesses over Geneology Research and was able to trace her own lineage as far back as William the Conqueror) things are suddenly starting to make so much more sense. Still, I've got to read the rest of this and digest it to get my head around it.

I will say this, I don't know who, what or how these "Dragons" are, but I wouldn't imagine they were all bad.

[Jeffrey]

I would be very pleased if Drake reads this thread and responded in one of his radio shows . :thumb:

I would be interested to hear him expound on some of this as well. I listened to the radio show today and his content is slowly leaking out hints alluding to all of this. Further explainations would be helpful (his responses and perspectives) in understanding all of this. Also HOW he responds I think may be telling as well.

[Bill Ryan]

This is an article Drake wrote entitled, "New Math, New Understanding".

http://www.greatdreams.com/grace/NF/newbailymath.html

Here is an excerpt:


Our research group has been working with all kinds of different numbers and systems, these deal with the basis for many of these fringe area sciences, and at first we could not understand them any better than anyone else could. We had no idea as to exactly what we were dealing with.

First the basic concepts of this new math must be understood before anyone can progress, let alone understand.

Within The Sacred Knowledge of The Ancients it is found and explained.

...

This will be a study into a math that has proven to be more accurate than any we have today, in simple whole numbers. It is also unlimited in its capability to handle any numerics of any magnitude or kind as well.
...

Just as in the legendary great earth changes that probably formed our planet, the numbers of the ancients are found in planetary studies. To understand this and put it into perspective, the representatives have been kept through two mediums, they are the Magic Squares and Palindromes. When researched for their origins they are found to be from the period of time of the ancients. The attributes are many, but the applications are an effort by those who originally found evidence of, or experienced these catastrophes.

...

The second order still deals with reality-based ideas, but also with forces beyond the physical, to include all of the range of the ethereal. Those things that are not readily explainable through a reality base. These are the healings, ghosts, and parapsychology. The healing area can be of both the second and third magnitudes. The third order is the ultimate. This is what I refer to as Gods domain, where one passes over to the spiritual level after death. There are many stories dealing with this, but very little proof. Many records of knowing of the existence, loads of beliefs, and nothing on the shelf to show it.

...

From what is available, there seems to have been two island continents of Atlantis. There is solid evidence of the one Plato describes in the Aegean Sea, and there is a persistence of one somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic. If a tectonic plate over rides another, then it is possible that the stories of its destruction are true. Metaphysics has not been realistically dealt with in mathematics or physics. The reason being that it has been termed unreliable by most efforts to establish proof. That leaves two questions unanswered.

It does seem to happen which that brings up how, and the other one deals with the perspective of technology. The how is the subject of several systems that all have practical applications of a non-physical nature. All of these have various structures and ideas associated with them. The interesting part is where the ideologies merge to form that generality of the thread of truth common to all of them. The reality relationships of these might be one of simple ratios as shown numerically. Then there is perception. Human beings express individual perceptions from two primary sources, environment and cognition. The first being all of everything we have experienced in life to the point of making our own independent decision. The second is from forming enough decisions to deviate from the environmental influences.

...

In modern medicine the uses of homemade cures has been deciphered and the working ingredients have been found. Witch doctors, shaman, and holy men regularly exceed these areas through chant and prayer. Pray means to ask. It is used to bring about the power of God. Chant is the action of prayer or the attempt to combine physical activity and prayer. Neither one of these has very much physical evidence as to what actually happens, but they do seem to work.

I have referred to orders of magnitude in the numbers and in our levels of existence. Mathematically these are simple to show but can be very intricate in usage. There are three in both these areas.

1) Physical reality, the first column; 2) Ethereal reality base, beyond physical reality but based from reality; 3) Spiritual reality, non-reality based, but able to affect reality. Numerically these are stated as our own number system in terms of placements. As 000 you have one's, ten's, and hundred's. Each column can have any size number within it. When a meaning or application changes so does the column. The number 432= reality, 4320= Ethereal reality, and 43200= the spiritual reality.

...

When an arc is constructed from the individual heights the three arcs have a convergence point. When time is considered in relation to the physical characteristics and construction, the convergence point of these three arcs matches the Mayan time wave zero point.

Einstein referred to time curvature in his explanation of relativities, and Galileo found reference between linear distance and time in his pendulum experiments in effort to define his new measure the meter. When a graphical of a variant is shown from existence through its normal activity it creates a waveform. The studies in chaos show that there is evidence of order from chaos. Vibratory physics shows that waveform is almost unlimited in its scope. The frequency of the smallest particle to the movement of the cosmos evidences this. The theory of matter being solid light fits very well into this paradigm.

To invert a number is to use the number as the divisor of one, this is termed the inverse relationship. To state this without changing the number itself and show an equation as a whole number the palindrome is used. The best expression of infinity in relation to reality shows a formula expressed as a number ratio called pi. So far this is the only master number formula known. Glyphs from all over the planet use the sun sign of that respective culture to designate the zero that defines which column is referenced. So these people knew these things and used them readily.

The relation of convergence to inversion is simple in plain geometry. You cross the reference line just as a fraction is made of the whole number when its inverse relationship is needed. In one you change what you are dealing with, in the other you change the polarity or meaning. From the point of view of a solid object you must turn it inside out. This is the case with the convergence point of the time wave zero point. The other idea of inverse relationships deals with reverting to what was before. According to what is evidenced from the ancients, that is what we are to do. Becoming more sensitive to the ethereal and oriented as a whole more to mother earth.

...

The deciphering of the cuneiform writings provides the insight that we are not only not alone, but that an alien benefactor very well could have aided man early on and is to return at some point in our future. I will propose that as most civilizations on our planet go, so do these visitors. The same diversities must apply. This allows for the door to be left unlocked, just our minds must remain open to the new, so that our imagination might be allowed to provide the impossible dreams required to keep our quest for answers to our curiosities under question.

The whole article is a little too technical for me, I wouldn't be good a judging the validity of the math/physics/numerology of it, but feel free to click the link and read it for yourself.


I'm a math graduate. This is 100% nonsense.

[wynderer]

Dragons & Dracos are one & the same -- all this fascination w/Dragons i'm sure is very pleasing to the Dracos -- i see the bloodline motif is part of this too

i'd like to point out that there are billions of beings in our infinite Universe who could care less about Dragon/Draco bloodlines -- but here on Earth, since they have given you their minds, as Carlos Castenada points out, you get all excited about it

[Jeffrey]

This is an article Drake wrote entitled, "New Math, New Understanding".

http://www.greatdreams.com/grace/NF/newbailymath.html

Here is an excerpt:


...

The whole article is a little too technical for me, I wouldn't be good a judging the validity of the math/physics/numerology of it, but feel free to click the link and read it for yourself.


I'm a math graduate. This is 100% nonsense.

This seemed to be the general consensus among the members at the physics forums as well. Some of this tried to make its way on Wikipedia too - they wouldn't accept it either.

[I will edit this post to include a link to the latter claim later (I am on my phone)]

[Jeffrey]

Dragons & Dracos are one & the same -- all this fascination w/Dragons i'm sure is very pleasing to the Dracos -- i see the bloodline motif is part of this too

i'd like to point out that there are billions of beings in our infinite Universe who could care less about Dragon/Draco bloodlines -- but here on Earth, since they have given you their minds, as Carlos Castenada points out, you get all excited about it

Thank you. I will take your line of reasoning a step further and pull the Archons into this as well. From what I've read there are psycho-spiritual parasites that thrive on creating error and deception/confusion. Fear is a piece of it too.

Houman has a thread relating to all of this here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit-a-Scandin

Part of the reason I find this interesting is that Drake has spoken of parasites - physical and otherwise - in posts that can be found through links in the OP. He also said that he is under constant threat of negative entities...

[CeltMan]

In North East,(UK)- Chester Le street/Co Durham to be precise, there is a legend about a 'monster, which grew into a dragon', which was found down the well on the land of Lord Lambton.

As a youngster, my self + 4 sibbblings used to sing all verses of this song at Xmas parties nearby.

On the basis that many legends have a basis in truth, well>>>>>>>>>>>> make your own minds up.

There are also many other legends from middle ages of encounters with dragons.

Here is a link to the song (you may require an interpreter though!!....lol)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNDltwH14zM

PNDltwH14zM

==============
Lyrics to 'Lambton Worm'


The Lambton Worm

The Lambton Worm

One Sunday morn young Lambton went
A-fishing' in the Wear;
An' catched a fish upon he's heuk,
He thowt leuk't varry queer.
But whatt'n a kind of fish it was
Young Lambton cuddent tell.
He waddn't fash te carry'd hyem,
So he hoyed it doon a well.

cho: Whisht! Lads, haad yor gobs,
An Aa'll tell ye's aall an aaful story
Whisht! Lads, haad yor gobs,
An' Aa'll tell ye 'boot the worm.

Noo Lambton felt inclined te gan
An' fight i' foreign wars.
he joined a troop o' Knights that cared
For nowther woonds nor scars,
An' off he went te Palestine
Where queer things him befel,
An' varry seun forgat aboot
The queer worm i' the well.

But the worm got fat an' growed and' growed
An' growed an aaful size;
He'd greet big teeth, a greet big gob,
An' greet big goggle eyes.
An' when at neets he craaled aboot
Te pick up bits o' news,
If he felt dry upon the road,
He milked a dozen coos.

This feorful worm wad often feed
On caalves an' lambs an' sheep,
An' swally little barins alive
When they laid doon te sleep.
An' when he'd eaten aall he cud
An' he had had he's fill,
He craaled away an' lapped he's tail
Seven times roond Pensher Hill.

The news of this myest aaful worm
An' his queer gannins on
Seun crossed the seas, gat te the ears
Ov brave and' bowld Sor John.
So hyem he cam an' catched the beast
An' cut 'im in twe haalves,
An' that seun stopped he's eatin' bairns,
An' sheep an' lambs and caalves.

So noo ye knaa hoo aall the foaks
On byeth sides ov the Wear
Lost lots o' sheep an' lots o' sleep
An' leeved i' mortal feor.
So let's hev one te brave Sor John
That kept the bairns frae harm,
Saved coos an' caalves by myekin' haalves
O' the famis Lambton Worm.

Final Chorus

Noo lads, Aa'll haad me gob,
That's aall Aa knaa aboot the story
Ov Sor John's clivvor job
Wi' the aaful Lambton Worm.

[ThePythonicCow]

This is an article Drake wrote entitled, "New Math, New Understanding".

http://www.greatdreams.com/grace/NF/newbailymath.html

Here is an excerpt:

...
The whole article is a little too technical for me, I wouldn't be good a judging the validity of the math/physics/numerology of it, but feel free to click the link and read it for yourself.


I'm a math graduate. This is 100% nonsense.

Dang you Bill. I want that last ten minutes back.

When this was quoted earlier, I glanced at it for a few seconds, saw nothing that attracted me, and skipped past it.

But with your comment, I went back to the original link and made a good faith effort to read.

Total nonsense :).

(I'm a math major too ... must be the fault of the way they taught math back when we studied it. :))

[Chester]

I have asked Bill in another thread his opinion as to:
a.) if he thinks Drake is in on this or b.) that Drake believes all this.

The reason I ask Bill's opinion is because of Bill's experience with the Charles episode and his mention once that he found himself floating out his tent when in Tibet.

The reason I mention this Tibet experience is because I believe Bill believed he had that experience and thus I believe Bill would be open minded to ET abduction (as that is what he may have experienced though I never heard Bill’s interpretation of his experience).

How this ties into Drake is with his Dragon society affiliation and Drake's background with all this stuff those societies love to play with such as numerology and gematria, etc. is is possible that Drake is simply being "managed" by malevolent ETs – the Draconian Archonic beings who some suggest are the ones behind all this type of occult stuff?

If Drake believes all this stuff from his contacts, those could be organized, human dis-info agents.

But could Drake also be influenced by these Archon ET beings which may make him a perfect target for human dis-info agents?

I have no clue folks, I am totally open minded due to my own experiences (posted tonight under the Ufo category) and I am trying real hard to exclude my own knee jerk, hopey/feely sentiment that I want to believe Drake, as I may also (in fact likely) be influenced by these same ETs.

So to directly ask, Bill, do you believe Drake could be under the spell of a malevolent ET group and if so do you believe it could be Archonic/draconian/grey beings?

Please, weigh in, Bill, as I have my own concerns for my son as well as myself.

EDIT: as soon as I posted this thread I decided to search Bill's threads to see what I could find and I immediately found this link -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39611-A-warning-from-benevolent-ETs-about-our-future-over-60-years-ago

at least I know Bill believes ETs exist (as well as reincarnation)

[jackovesk]

Whilst listening to the Drake Interview (2012-04-22A-32kbs-WSR-with-Deatra-and-Drake-hours2-3.mp3)

@ 41 mins - One of the Hosts suggested to do your own research on the following...

He stated that 'Admiral Thrall' was involved with 1. Hurricane Katrina 2. BP Oil Disasater 3. Fukushima Tsunami

He even spelt it out T-H-R-A-L-L

He said "If you don't believe me, go look it up for yourself"



"Put in Admiral in charge of Hurricane Katrina"

"Admiral in charge of BP Disaster"

"Admiral that was in Japan before Fukushima Went-Off"

"You'll find it, its part of the 'Public Record', its not BS, Don't believe me though go find it yourself its there to be found"


:music: http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archive/Deatra_Drake/2012-04-22A-32kbs-WSR-with-Deatra-and-Drake-hours2-3.mp3

PS - I took the host up on his challenge and I'm saying... :bs:

The only reference to any 'Thrall' I could find was a character name 'Thrall' in the game: World of Warcraft...


Thrall (birthname Go'el), son of Durotan (born 2 years ADP)[2], was the Warchief of the restored orcish Horde and ruler of the red land of Durotar in Kalimdor. Before the Cataclysm, he was Warchief of all the Horde, but temporarily gave leadership to Garrosh Hellscream[3] in order to lead the Earthen Ring's effort with Farseer Nobundo against the Twilight's Hammer cult and elemental imbalance afflicting Azeroth.[4] http://www.wowwiki.com/Thrall

:wizard: :confused:

Maybe some others here may have better luck than I in finding the Mysterious 'Admiral Thrall' mentioned in the Drake Interview..?

[Endity]

Thrall is my boy I do mad quests for him daily!!!! But to be honest I think he mean Thad not thrall.

[jackovesk]

Whilst listening to the Drake Interview (2012-04-22A-32kbs-WSR-with-Deatra-and-Drake-hours2-3.mp3)

@ 41 mins - One of the Hosts suggested to do your own research on the following...

He stated that 'Admiral Thrall' was involved with 1. Hurricane Katrina 2. BP Oil Disasater 3. Fukushima Tsunami

He even spelt it out T-H-R-A-L-L

He said "If you don't believe me, go look it up for yourself"



"Put in Admiral in charge of Hurricane Katrina"

"Admiral in charge of BP Disaster"

"Admiral that was in Japan before Fukushima Went-Off"

"You'll find it, its part of the 'Public Record', its not BS, Don't believe me though go find it yourself its there to be found"


:music: http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archive/Deatra_Drake/2012-04-22A-32kbs-WSR-with-Deatra-and-Drake-hours2-3.mp3

PS - I took the host up on his challenge and I'm saying... :bs:

The only reference to any 'Thrall' I could find was a character name 'Thrall' in the game: World of Warcraft...


Thrall (birthname Go'el), son of Durotan (born 2 years ADP)[2], was the Warchief of the restored orcish Horde and ruler of the red land of Durotar in Kalimdor. Before the Cataclysm, he was Warchief of all the Horde, but temporarily gave leadership to Garrosh Hellscream[3] in order to lead the Earthen Ring's effort with Farseer Nobundo against the Twilight's Hammer cult and elemental imbalance afflicting Azeroth.[4] http://www.wowwiki.com/Thrall

:wizard: :confused:

Maybe some others here may have better luck than I in finding the Mysterious 'Admiral Thrall' mentioned in the Drake Interview..?


Thrall is my boy I do mad quests for him daily!!!! But to be honest I think he mean Thad not thrall.

Thanks Endity, I think you might be right...:yes4:

Admiral Thad Allen is the 'Culprit'

http://www.underwatertimes.com/news4/thad_allen.jpg

[NancyV]

If Drake is or was involved in a dragon society it would actually raise my estimation of him, not that I have a bad opinion of him now. I simply don't think his information about the mass arrests and changes to government will happen. Whether he is lying about it or being mislead is something I don't know. I also have to agree with Bill and Paul that the article on new math seemed like gobbledygook to me. I love math and physics and can understand some pretty far out stuff, but I didn't understand Drake's article. I thought I just might be getting too old and senile to understand it so I'm happy that Bill and Paul were as confused as I was! LOL

I have a strong affinity for dragons. So does my husband. We have dragons all over the house. My husband paints miniatures and he has many dragons of all sizes. I have lots of dragon earrings, we each have several shirts with dragons on them and we even have a HUGE green and red stuffed dragon. The desktop on my computer is a picture of a dragon. In a couple of my posts over the last 2 years I told the story of when a large golden dragon appeared in my house and was there daily for about 2-3 months. It was an other dimensional being who was there watching me.

When Unified Serenity mentioned that she was a descendant of one of the dragon kings I thought I would check on one of my ancestors, King Charlemagne. I found that he had the "Dragon Ring" but I didn't see anything stating that he was specifically one of the "dragon kings" He is mentioned here in this Dragon Society info:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_brotherhoodsnake06.htm


One of Europe’s most famous monarchs, Charlemagne the Great, was often called "David" in reference to his famous ancestor, and Habsburg King Otto was called "the son of David." In fact, the European tradition of anointing kings comes from that practiced in the Old Testament. Author George Athas describes how the ceremony symbolized the Lord Yahweh adopting the new king as his own son:
"Firstly, the king was the ‘Anointed’ of Yahweh - the mesiach, from which we derive the term ‘Messiah.’ At his anointing (or his coronation), the Spirit of Yahweh entered the king, giving him superhuman qualities and allowing him to carry out the dictates of the deity. The psalmist of Psalm 45 describes the king as ‘fairer than the sons of men’, and continued to praise his majestic characteristics. This king also had eternal life granted to him by Yahweh. The deity is portrayed as saying to him, ‘You are my son - today I have sired you.’ The king was Yahweh’s Firstborn - the bekhor - who was the heir to his father’s estate. He was ‘the highest of the kings of the earth.’ Thus, the king was adopted by Yahweh at his coronation and, as such, was in closer communion with the deity than the rest of the people. On many occasions, Yahweh was called the king’s god.

The king was distinguished far above the ordinary mortal, rendering him holy and his person sacred. It was regarded as a grievous offence to lay a hand on him. Thus, to overthrow the king was rebellion of the most heinous sort and an affront to the deity who had appointed the king... We can note that the King of Judah and Israel is described in divine terms. He is, for example, seen as sitting at Yahweh’s right hand, and his adopted son. We find similar motifs of Pharaohs seated to the right of a deity of Egypt. Psalm 45:7 calls the king an ‘elohim’ - a god. Psalm 45:7also says ‘Your throne is like God’s throne.’"

Like any beings there would likely be both benevolent and non benevolent dragons and dragon societies. I personally like dragons, at least the more benevolent ones. I liked the way the movie AVATAR depicted the dragons. They could be very dangerous but if they bonded to you they were loyal and helpful.

What is truth? A couple of posters in this thread have brought up the possibility that truth is not one thing to all beings. I agree with that. I also do not believe that lying on occasion is a bad thing. If you have compassion for someone you will lie to them on occasion. In order to avoid hurting others or sometimes to protect them you may find that lying is the best thing to do.

I do not agree that a lie automatically disconnects you from the Source or warps your path. In fact beings in most dimensions, at least this dimension, the astral and a couple of dimensions of higher vibrational frequency, deceive and lie quite often. It's a part of the games that we are playing in these lower dimensions where we bend what looks like reality to create another illusion. There is a lot of manipulation going on until one gets closer to the Source.

I have experienced it personally and I understand that it is only the intention of the deceiver or manipulator that can be positive or negative, and not the deception itself. All these games are actually a blessing because they guide us to look more within since we eventually find out we cannot trust others to tell the truth we want to hear. We can find our own truth if we go within ...and being true to who you are at any moment in time or no time, in any incarnation or dimension.... is, in my opinion, the most important truth. I do not accept others truths, only my own.

We will only know if any of what Drake is saying is truthful if and when it happens. Until then, I don't know. I think some of what he says makes sense, but most of it doesn't make sense to me nor does it seem possible that the mass arrests (or one by one arrests) will happen. I also don't believe it's likely the present government will be overthrown without a violent and bloody conflict.

Here is a song I love from the game SKYRIM called DragonBorn Comes:


Our hero, our hero, claims a warrior’s heart
I tell you, I tell you, the Dragonborn comes
With a Voice wielding power of the ancient Nord art
Believe, believe, the Dragonborn comes
It’s an end to the evil, of all Skyrim’s foes
Beware, beware, the Dragonborn comes
For the darkness has passed, and the legend yet grows
You’ll know, You’ll know the Dragonborn’s come


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7vrQKLpklI&feature=relmfu

[sdv]

This is an article Drake wrote entitled, "New Math, New Understanding".

http://www.greatdreams.com/grace/NF/newbailymath.html

Here is an excerpt:
...

The whole article is a little too technical for me, I wouldn't be good a judging the validity of the math/physics/numerology of it, but feel free to click the link and read it for yourself.

I'm a math graduate. This is 100% nonsense.

A lot of this Drake stuff reminds me of an experience I had with a bipolar (highly intelligent) colleague. He was in the manic phase, sitting in a 24-hour coffee shop and writing notes in a notebook. We took turns to go and sit with him. He was still the same intelligent gentle man so there was nothing scary about him. What he was saying and writing sounded like genius but it was actually incoherent nonsense.

It's like watching a person construct a jigsaw puzzle with pieces from various pictures. here and there something recognisable seems to emerge, but the pieces can never be put together in a way to create one coherent picture (or even almost complete picture even) or even various pictures that relate to each other in a coherent way.

[wynderer]

i figured out what bothers me about Fulford's & Drake's assertion that all the bad guy big bankers etc are going to be rounded up , jailed, & then we can begin our new Earth

this really is beginning to sound like a clever psy-op to me -- likely a good part of the 'alternative' community got all wrapped up in this -- probably lots of Drake & Fulford-Wilcock threads on other forums too

you could put every greedy & psychopathic Human behind bars [& sign every petition that comes down the pike] & it would make no difference to your future -- you Humans do not run or own your planet --

scrolling down thru the threads -- it's becoming apparent to me that the Human capacity for denial is quite a large capacity -- presumably a lot here are familiar w/David Icke & w/the Camelot interviewees -- & at some point you have come across the truth of the ET &/ OD presence here -- but i wouldn't know it from scanning the thread topics

i have seen this in people in my daily life -- it seems that Humans will go to great lengths to have happy warm feelings, & will immediately shut out any info that disturbs your warm fuzzy feelings -- i see this going on here, too [a disappointment -- but Humans are Humans wherever you go, i guess] -- i personally have always preferred learning & facing the truth even if it doesn't feel good -- & i figure if you want to change things, you'd better get to the heart, the root of the problem

if Humans were willing to learn & accept what is really happening -- a take-over of your planet by hostile [& very powerful] beings, then you'd finally learn that you are not alone in this Universe -- a blow to the idea that you are the Crown of Creation, true, but you'd also have a fighting chance of survival

this little ditty that Nancy V posted:

Our hero, our hero, claims a warrior’s heart
I tell you, I tell you, the Dragonborn comes
With a Voice wielding power of the ancient Nord art
Believe, believe, the Dragonborn comes
It’s an end to the evil, of all Skyrim’s foes
Beware, beware, the Dragonborn comes
For the darkness has passed, and the legend yet grows
You’ll know, You’ll know the Dragonborn’s come

-i got to know one of the Rep/Human hybrids who will soon be ordering you around -- this song sounds like the hybrid's victory song to me -- i could write the story, but as my posts are by & large being ignored right now, i'm not willing to put all the time & energy into that

i think it's time for me to get another one of those bumper stickers that says GO LEMMINGS GO

[Jeffrey]

-i got to know one of the Rep/Human hybrids who will soon be ordering you around -- this song sounds like the hybrid's victory song to me -- i could write the story, but as my posts are by & large being ignored right now, i'm not willing to put all the time & energy into that

I can only speak for myself, so i may be in a minority of one - your posts are not being ignored.

I would very much appreciate if you would share that story.

[EDIT: I am not a minority of one!]

[Molope]

Im whith you about that i see a lot of people that doesnt want to hear any kind of bad news they live in their Super Duper Happy reality and they wont move from there but to know the truth sometimes you have to see and hear things that you might or almost surely you wont like.Its like that "truth" cant be always good news.These people are like "Out of sight, out of mind" at least they are happy...

[Jeffrey]

Jean-Luc has made a handy PDF document of Houman's thread material. I am currently still reading through all of it. So far, it has been very helpful in separating sand from sugar - regarding not only this thread but a myriad of other things as well.

Please, start to read this PDF; it even has a table of contents which makes navigating it much easier.

It is here: http://www.vigli.org/Avalon/Horus-Ra_as_the_Archontic_Alien_Parasite.pdf

Thanks

[Unified Serenity]

We are dealing with an enemy that is so vast, so pernicious and vile that we cannot truly fathom it. We face a race that is hell bent on ruling the world. They are the Tares of the parable of the Wheat and the Tares, and for those with eyes to see and ears to hear, you know we cannot uproot them for it will only hurt the Wheat. The Tares know this and count on it. They have gained control of all the governments of the world, the finances, the media, food, and laws. They are untouchable and they know it. To strike one down will only make them a martyr who was serving humanity. To do nothing only ensures further control. It is a nightmare and it is meant to bring us down to our deepest selves, our true being and decide whom we love and follow. Most of the world has been trained to hate the God of the bible. There have been decades, lo a century of anti-bible teaching.

We have been warned that in the last days the hearts will grow cold, the people will tell tales and seek truth from false prophets who tickle their itching ears. We have been told what till happen, the signs to look for, and the season it will happen, but we have been taught by man to no longer trust that information, and to seek our own path. Step outside of your beliefs and just look at the world, then look at what we were told would happen. Look at the alignment of kingdoms and principalities. Look at the wickedness in high places. It is all there for us to plainly see and yet we deny it for then we would have to consider the source of that information.

Welcome to the harvest. For those who hate the Elites, the Ptb, the Tares, you shall soon see them removed and not by the hand of man, but by divine intervention. Call God an alien if you want, he did come in a highly polished bronze ship called "amber" in Ezekiel. The truth is he (one in energy of masculine and feminine no sex just a way to express the being) has been watching and knowing our hearts. He cast asunder the middle wall of partisan within us and between us as individuals so that we are all called to be one in spirit with him. Many are called but few are chosen. Many will run to him in this final day and claim their love and he will say, "Get away from me, I never KNEW you". You say you seek truth.

"I am the way the truth and the life, no man cometh to the father but by me".

and then we were told:

Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.


Yeshua is the truth. If you know him and not just know about him, then you are free. Death has lost it's sting and there is no controlling you. You will live freely, speak freely for you do not fear man or any force, but have a true relationship and know the maker and lover of your soul. I intimately know that sorrow spoken of when he cried for Jerusalem for they would not listen. The gift is free, you do not become a slave anymore than you become a slave when you fall in love. You do what you do for your lover because of love. I am not there yet in unconditional love, but I feel God's love for each and everyone of you and me, and it humbles me beyond words. He is the rose of Sharon, and the balm of Gilead. He is able to make all things right, and while we look for saviors among men, we ignore the one already sent to our own shame and judgment. My spirit is in sackcloth and ashes as I cry bitter tears knowing how we hurt one another and the one who loved and created us in love. We will stand in judgement as prophesied. We will be a light shining upon a hill, but it will be a burning light of judgement. We have each earned our place and we will each stand on our own. My hope and prayer is that we walk in the true unconditional love of the Father and in that all men will know the truth and love one another equally.


See the symbolism in this Rose (it's there for those with eyes to see):


http://colourconscious.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/roseofsharonwhite01.jpg

[CeltMan]

In the intervew about 2 days ago, conducted by Kimberley,-with John Kettler, he completely backs Drake, -as being totally authentic.

Here is the link to that interview, which IMO was one of the very best I have listened to-for verification ammount of data, etc.
AND, he promises to provide Proof-soon, of the existance of Reptiods & ufo's etc- by capturing & presenting at least One reptoid, & displaying it in a public place....cannt wait for that!!

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/belovenow/2012/04/26/living-in-the-now-john-kettler

[NancyV]

this little ditty that Nancy V posted:

Our hero, our hero, claims a warrior’s heart
I tell you, I tell you, the Dragonborn comes
With a Voice wielding power of the ancient Nord art
Believe, believe, the Dragonborn comes
It’s an end to the evil, of all Skyrim’s foes
Beware, beware, the Dragonborn comes
For the darkness has passed, and the legend yet grows
You’ll know, You’ll know the Dragonborn’s come

-i got to know one of the Rep/Human hybrids who will soon be ordering you around -- this song sounds like the hybrid's victory song to me -- i could write the story, but as my posts are by & large being ignored right now, i'm not willing to put all the time & energy into that

i think it's time for me to get another one of those bumper stickers that says GO LEMMINGS GO
The song DragonBorn is actually about the ones who defeat the dragons who come to conquer, the DragonBorn are those born to fight the evil dragons.

[Jeffrey]

I have posted excerpts relating to a book by Arthur C. Clark in another thread already, so I will refrain from block quoting large sections of the webpage here and just offer the link (it is an overview of the book).

http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/childhoodsend/themes.html

The book is called "Childhood's End" and I think some of it's underlying themes can be applied to this discussion. Feel free to check out the link and draw your own conclusions.

...

"It is the mark of an mature mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

Something to strive for I think.

[EC1000]

i figured out what bothers me about Fulford's & Drake's assertion that all the bad guy big bankers etc are going to be rounded up , jailed, & then we can begin our new Earth

this really is beginning to sound like a clever psy-op to me -- likely a good part of the 'alternative' community got all wrapped up in this -- probably lots of Drake & Fulford-Wilcock threads on other forums too

you could put every greedy & psychopathic Human behind bars [& sign every petition that comes down the pike] & it would make no difference to your future -- you Humans do not run or own your planet --

scrolling down thru the threads -- it's becoming apparent to me that the Human capacity for denial is quite a large capacity -- presumably a lot here are familiar w/David Icke & w/the Camelot interviewees -- & at some point you have come across the truth of the ET &/ OD presence here -- but i wouldn't know it from scanning the thread topics

i have seen this in people in my daily life -- it seems that Humans will go to great lengths to have happy warm feelings, & will immediately shut out any info that disturbs your warm fuzzy feelings -- i see this going on here, too [a disappointment -- but Humans are Humans wherever you go, i guess] -- i personally have always preferred learning & facing the truth even if it doesn't feel good -- & i figure if you want to change things, you'd better get to the heart, the root of the problem

if Humans were willing to learn & accept what is really happening -- a take-over of your planet by hostile [& very powerful] beings, then you'd finally learn that you are not alone in this Universe -- a blow to the idea that you are the Crown of Creation, true, but you'd also have a fighting chance of survival

[/I]

-i got to know one of the Rep/Human hybrids who will soon be ordering you around -- this song sounds like the hybrid's victory song to me -- i could write the story, but as my posts are by & large being ignored right now, i'm not willing to put all the time & energy into that

i think it's time for me to get another one of those bumper stickers that says GO LEMMINGS GO

I'm another who would like to hear your story. My wife has been ready the drake/ fullord/ wilcox/ dragon family stuff alot lately, telling me "drake says, they're going to do this, and they're going to do that and there will be mass arrest, etc" (of course, i'm paraphrasing here). And i say "sweetie, remember the aliens and the reptillians and their link to the government and illuminati and all that jazz?" She says, "um, yes". Then I say "well no one is going to be doing sh!t if those folks don't want it to happen".
we have variations of this conversation a couple times a month :) She's hot though, so i put up w/ it. :)

[Delight]

A lot of this Drake stuff reminds me of an experience I had with a bipolar (highly intelligent) colleague. He was in the manic phase, sitting in a 24-hour coffee shop and writing notes in a notebook. We took turns to go and sit with him. He was still the same intelligent gentle man so there was nothing scary about him. What he was saying and writing sounded like genius but it was actually incoherent nonsense.

It's like watching a person construct a jigsaw puzzle with pieces from various pictures. here and there something recognisable seems to emerge, but the pieces can never be put together in a way to create one coherent picture (or even almost complete picture even) or even various pictures that relate to each other in a coherent way.

I have had many many encounters with the high of bipolar in family, friends and professionally. In each case there were fragments that just did not hold together in usefulness. Maybe there were flashes of brilliance but the whole picture of complete, capable, resolved and effective (and an ability to use the flashes even) was missing. This is an excellent description. In my leap from this too, I am thinking when we each are whole in our own puzzle, we have a what will be capable of use to create something of value.

But this is not the way we are asked to operate by any of these whistleblowers. We are asked to trust in some magna force to sweep the playing field. But just like with physical maladies, when you clear one symptom without addressing the cause, another symptom appears. I am not worried by that really as it is just part of a game.

Maybe the whole "cause" for everything is the game itself. This is not new thinking. But who is playing what when and where and how is an individual rite of passage to experience. What does it feel like when one lives as midwives of self birthing into a different relationship to reality? This means not thinking conceptually but actually doing this work? On the way to this shift, some minds fracture, some spirits quail and many who start off turn around. That is to me the way it should be because if it is about our own wholeness and our own maturity, we have to get the pieces, place them and use the picture ourselves. Then we have a second birth (not religious but metaphysical and translating into physical)

I actually received an email from a local friend about Drake's information. She was very excited by the hope that IF ascension is occurring that maybe now mass arrests and the end of tyranny would be delivered.

Over and over I keep going back to something. What about our own inner tyranny. When we have our own inner freedom and our own inner clarity? What does the world look like? If we have it, we will know we have it. No one can deliver it. That is what I see as the check mate. No opponent left on the board.

[the_vast_mystery]

You know I'd really like to ask this to everyone here, just as a thought exercise.

Let's suppose you do distrust this idea about a military/police intervention. How do you imagine the situation changing? I don't mean "I think about everyone getting along magically and they do" I mean what proven plan or steps do you have that will guarantee a change? Because it's all fine and dandy to talk about personal development, spiritual evolution and enlightenment but those concepts relate only to individual growth and do not address the greater reality around us which is surrounded by many people who do not care about such things and a minority even actively opposed to those things. How do you imagine the situation can change?

There are very real people, who very much believed absolutely they could fly, they very much jumped off of skyscrapers and very much died. Belief alone and faith alone do not guarantee any change in the reality around you or people who believed they could fly, dodge bullets and regrow limbs would and we'd be seeing them on the news because I can bet there'd be too many of them to cover up if it was really as simple as absolutely believing you could. We need to change the entire socioeconomic situation, we need to change governments, etc. We need to re-evaluate everything about how we live and we currently have hugely powerful vested interests in Government and Big Business that do not want that to happen and right now they are sole gatekeepers within our society to all resources and legitimate power.

How do you propose we change anything if the system will not abdicate any power and only grows worse? It poisons the water, it experiments on the population and treats them as commodities. Do you think these people will just stop one day and have a change of heart? I mean especially if they are managing this by using darker powers they are not going to stop until they are removed by force. Force, as sad as it is, is the only guaranteed method of making something happen in this reality. Ideally all we'd need is peaceful non-participation like MLK had said, but for that to work it requires numbers. The Civil Rights movement had to shut down entire cities in the south for weeks or months to make a point about segregation and they were dealing with far less entrenched money and central organization than we have now. Spreading awareness is good, spreading peace and love is good, but let's not mince words this is the same government that also used COINTELPRO to try and get MLK to commit suicide. They can and will resort to any tactic needed if they feel you are a threat and we can see that with how the FBI has basically been creating terrorism to say they're catching terrorists.

There is both an inner world and an outer world, ignoring either is a fool's errand as while they are inter-dependent they are also partly independent and ignoring the rules, closing your eyes, and praying will not make that Mack truck heading straight for you disappear anymore than it would for every other person who's been run over in the street. That said I'm personally finding Drake very suspect but I'd still cautiously welcome a change in government so long as it were more open and Democratic. More of what we really need though is some of this suppressed alternative energy technology. The biggest reason why we got such a big government were conflicts and management of natural resources, if we suddenly have the technology to be able to remove our resource dependency then we would no longer need a central manager for the resources of the world (or big corporations to make/distribute resources) since individuals could sustain themselves at little cost. In such a hypothetical it would be impossible for anyone to mis-use a huge deal of planetary resources except if on purpose. At least, supposing you believe what was said about some of the hidden technology that may be revealed.

We need a change, but if this is not the change we need then what is it? How will it come? Let's stop with these vague platitudes about love and get serious about the mechanics of it. Because if you're not going to start talking shop about the "How" part then you're going to get drowned out by those more than willing to. People will trust someone with a plan that seems plausible over someone who says "your misery is all in your head. No, you don't need food, water or shelter you 45 million American homeless, you just need to love yourself inside and that's it's own reward!"

[Jeffrey]

I have posted excerpts relating to a book by Arthur C. Clark in another thread already, so I will refrain from block quoting large sections of the webpage here and just offer the link (it is an overview of the book).

http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/childhoodsend/themes.html

The book is called "Childhood's End" and I think some of it's underlying themes can be applied to this discussion. Feel free to check out the link and draw your own conclusions.

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"It is the mark of an mature mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

Something to strive for I think.

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Jean-Luc has made a handy PDF document of Houman's thread material. I am currently still reading through all of it. So far, it has been very helpful in separating sand from sugar - regarding not only this thread but a myriad of other things as well.

Please, start to read this PDF; it even has a table of contents which makes navigating it much easier.

It is here: http://www.vigli.org/Avalon/Horus-Ra_as_the_Archontic_Alien_Parasite.pdf

Some excerpts from the latter:


So in my opinion, the Ra level of universal existence is the level of the so-called Archons, not the minor reptilians, greys or draconians. Ra is the level, which eats the conscious awareness, and we have to bypass it in order to merge into higher realms of existence. The more important thing to focus on is not the origin of Ra in its different forms, but to see the patterns of behavior this Ra has. It truly enslaves. Like seen in cult activity. Ra enjoys the essence of the egotistical uplift.“

Maarit emphatically stated, “The purpose the Horus-Ra energy force is not only to consume humans and other species as well–their inner core–but also destroy the purity of it. It wants people to forget the ultimate reality and connection to God. In every way this is true. And it goes with other races as well. Most of them are as lost as humans. Some are awakened like some humans are, too. That is why these New Age movements are so dangerous–they are a straight portal for these darker forces to manifest. They make people to compete who are the most spiritually gifted, most knowledgeable, who have more healing/psychic powers etc., and make the whole scam revolve around human ego, which becomes the source for the ego of the evil itself. So it’s no coincidence Jesus said: do not worship pictures/idols of god and one must leave the material behind in order to follow the route to God. The God is within. So that’s why there is so much ritual performances within the NWO network. The secretive “occult” energy makes the evil stronger, gives these people feeling of specialty and power. It corrupts the purity.”
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I find that our tendency is to become distracted by the entertainment aspect of Ufology, rather than the spiritual-mental evolutionary implications of what befalls us with this alien interference. We love to dance in the distractions, but this diverts our own awareness regarding the power of our innate divinity. I believe the ancient Gnostics were well aware of this “Archontic Control” over humanity. (aka–”The Hypostasis of the Archons or Reality of the Rulers”, (II,4) Tractate in the Nag Hammadi Library) The Gnostics, in their wisdom they tell of what the signature of the Archons is: envy. This was the key human failing that makes us more vulnerable to their intrusion. But they did not leave us without hope for a solution. If we take on the protection of the Light, and rid ourselves of jealousy, then we enter the bridal chamber. (Lash’s Alien Dreaming article, excerpt from quote regarding Dialogue of the Savior, NHC III, 5 (85)

Could the humans involved with the Satanic New World Order be hosted by this same black shadow Horus-Ra energy? Is this what the Archontic influence truly is—and what the ancient Gnostics warned us about?


It is clear that some humans on this planet are colluding with certain species of aliens to oppress and experiment with humanity. We may think that the physical aspects of abductions are of the only real importance, but if we truly can grasp the reality of quantum physics, the nature of our own consciousness and potential realization of divinity, so much more is at stake. We cannot deny the importance of our own spirituality, and the freedom of our souls."

I figure there will always be humans to feed off of for these beings as long as we do not wake up or cling to beliefs and behaviors which make us vulnerable to this type of manipulation. Personally, I think waking up can take years or perhaps lifetimes.

It takes alot of courage and personal responsibility to deal with this level of spiritual warfare. It has taken me decades of research, painful experiences, counseling and meditation practice to start becoming more aware. Lots of healing work and facing fears, and rejection. But I’ve met some wonderful people along the way and it has been worth it. Awareness is not always pleasant and can be shocking, not all love and light bliss so to speak!

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"We have to step out of the victimized state of mind and get rid of the fear. This is the only way to get the respect of these creatures and develop a communication of some sort. Whining and unnecessary complaining are the dead end, then we start to dig our own psychological and physical grave for sure. Objectivity and courage is needed even to try to understand a different kind of intelligence and technology. This is something we are not able to do. The researchers who only feed the fear instead of objectivity are no better than the New Age people who are proclaiming easy ascension and waiting for spiritual enlightenment–even while being roasted in the oven."

What are the ARCHONS?


The Hypostasis of the Archons describes a further development that follows the initial emergence of the foetal Archontic entities... A close reading reveals a crucial detail: after the initial formation of the embryonic Archon types, a second variant of "shadow body" arises, with distinct characteristics of its own. The Hypostasis of the Archons describes it as "an arrogant beast resembling a lion," but this creature is also described (in another cosmological text, the Apocryphon of John 10: 5) as "a serpentine body (drakon) with a lion-like face." Thus there are two distinct types of Archons: a foetal or embryonic type, and a drakonic or reptilian type


Weidner: To begin with, I would draw attention to two articles on your site: The Global Coup d'Etat and the one about ownership of the world. The Queen of England owns one sixth of the non-ocean surface of the world; and keep that in mind as we go into the Archon subject. The Archons were whispered about in texts after the burning of the library at Alexandra with some mention of mysterious beings called Archons. But the powers that be spent 1,300 years cleaning up the records and had written out the Archons from our history. In 1947, texts were found in clay jars in Nag Hammadi in Egypt and, on these texts was a story of what the Nag Hammadi people, 2,000 years ago, thought the world was about.

The reason the Nag Hammadi texts, which date back 2,100 years (100 BC), are so important is that no-one has been able to put a spin on it [the texts have not been altered, destroyed or omitted as in the Bible], no-one has been able to distort or destroy them which is what they’d really like to do [to keep the information and knowledge from the masses]. Luckily, they survived, were successfully translated and when many people read them, they found a clear and defined discussion of what these Archons are. The texts had been buried in a deep cave in Egypt, in order to protect the most important information that they had.

Gnostics preached that there was an invasion that occurred about 3,600 BC and, about 1,600 years before the Nag Hammadi texts were buried, they wrote that this invasion was like a virus and, in fact, they were hard pressed to describe it. The beings that were invading were called Archons. These Archons had the ability to duplicate reality, to fool us. They were jealous of us because we have an essence of some kind, a soul, that they don’t possess, and the Nag Hammadi texts describe the Archons. One looks like a reptile and the other looks like an unformed baby or a foetus. It is partially living and partially non-living and has grey skin and dark, unmoving eyes. The Archons are duplicating reality so that when we buy into it, when we come to believe that the duplicated, false state reality is the real reality - then they become the victors.


I found this fascinating insight in the classic book "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu which was interpreted and translated by General Samuel B. Griffith USMC Retired.
"All warfare is based on deception. A skilled general must be master of the complimentary arts of simulation and dissimulation; while creating shapes to confuse and delude the enemy, he conceals his true dispositions and ultimate intent. When capable he feigns incapacity; when near he makes it appear that he is far away; when far away, that he is near. Moving as intangibly as a ghost in the starlight, he is obscure, inaudible. His primary target is the mind of the opposing commander; the victorious situation, a product of his creative imagination. Sun Tzu realized that an indispensable preliminary to battle was to attack the mind of the enemy."

This is the name of the game - distortion of reality by means of manipulating Truth using deception and confusion as a tactics. Secret societies, mainstream media, hollywood, "reality" television, public education, disinformation campaigns (in the alternative community as well) and the list goes on...

The Archons thrive on fear and error.

The Gnostics described the Chief Archon, Yaldaboath, as insane.

Einstein said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results.

That's what I took away from it anyway.

Here read it for yourself:


Gnostics were insistent on the identification of Yaldabaoth with Yahweh or Jehovah, the tribal god of the Hebrews. This deity is not only blind, but witless and insane (Hypostasis of the Archons 89: 24-25). To Gnostics insanity is not so much unsoundness of mind as the consequence of failure to correct mental errors. The mentality of the Archons "cannot be rectified," and, what's worse, "the archontic nature is not capable of development." (Gilhus, The Nature of the Archons, p. 40) Due to the manner of their generation, Archons have no ennoia, no innate intentionality.


The drakonic Archon is said to be blind (Coptic bille), so he does not see either the Pleroma or Sophia. "Blindness of the spiritual world characterizes the Archons." (Gilhus, p. 17). He is called Samael and Saklas. Samael is Hebrew and Saklas is Aramaic for "blind one." Understanding the blindness of the Archons is crucially important to our detection of how they can affect humanity.

The exact genesis of the Archons is laid out in the PDF and in Houman's Thread, it goes into analytical detail regarding the Archons as they are presented in the Nag Hammadi codices. I'd also recommend this link:

http://flashmentalsimulation.wordpress.com/2012/03/06/genesis-i-part-1/

It's buried in the PDF, and it explains the relationship between humanity and these parasitic aliens.

I found this quote to be good advice too:


once we awaken to the reality of being in “enemy occupied territory” we need assistance in reclaiming our own waters of life. One point I’d like to get across is that today, many of our own people– even believers—have been born into occupied territory. Because the enemy and his pawns have exchanged the truth for a lie for such a long time, the people in occupied territory do not even know their true history or the state of bondage they are in.

I think there are many spiritual and psychological truths that can be extrapolated from this (about fear, denial, control, freedom), but this isn't really the thread for that, so I digress. Back to topic.

I really would like to expound on everything and draw a few more connections myself as I feel it relates to this thread and the events as of late, but I haven't yet digested the material in it's entirety.

I would welcome Houman's opinions on what going on here, and the material in this thread (dragon bloodlines, ascension, new-age hype, and the events surrounding 2012).

I should note that some of this material (from the PDF) could be considered channeled, but it is merely based on abduction accounts, remote viewing and things of that nature. Some may feel that there is no discrepancy between the two sources, but that isn't really my call to make (I voiced my concerns about it in a previous post) - I'm just trying to piece the infromation together as it relates to the context of what we are looking at here. Non-ordinary reason comes to mind ;)

In the same vein, the "Allies of Humanity" material was channeled and I think it delivers an excellent message.

As always though, sand and sugar.



It's also mind-blowing to me how much of Arthur C. Clarke's book (mentioned in the first quote) parallels/overlays a lot of this stuff.


UPDATE: I think there is a connection (a neutral one for now) to be found between the origins of Rex Deus, Egypt, and Horus-Ra/Archonic influence. I have read through so much information in the last several days - my brain is telling me something connects somehow with all of that, but I'm going to have to dig it up again.

[Unified Serenity]

As always, excellent information Vivek. I also am of the understanding that the Archons have not mastered living in 3d and thus are jealous of us for being able to do this as well as our souls which empower us in ways they can never achieve and is why they seek to destroy our spiritual communication with the divine by killing the potential of the Pineal gland. I have also come to understand that fluoride is a prime component of that plan to help calcify the gland and that nicotine inhibits that from occurring, and thus now I know why they had an all out attack on smoking and all nicotine products. I'm not saying smoking is great, but I have come to realize that a great number of truth seekers and those I find myself aligning with do smoke. I smoke and enjoy it. I do not smoke normal cigarettes as they really screw up my mind, but more basic tobacco.

[Chester]

This is an article Drake wrote entitled, "New Math, New Understanding".

http://www.greatdreams.com/grace/NF/newbailymath.html

Here is an excerpt:
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The whole article is a little too technical for me, I wouldn't be good a judging the validity of the math/physics/numerology of it, but feel free to click the link and read it for yourself.

I'm a math graduate. This is 100% nonsense.
A lot of this Drake stuff reminds me of an experience I had with a bipolar (highly intelligent) colleague. He was in the manic phase, sitting in a 24-hour coffee shop and writing notes in a notebook. We took turns to go and sit with him. He was still the same intelligent gentle man so there was nothing scary about him. What he was saying and writing sounded like genius but it was actually incoherent nonsense.

It's like watching a person construct a jigsaw puzzle with pieces from various pictures. here and there something recognisable seems to emerge, but the pieces can never be put together in a way to create one coherent picture (or even almost complete picture even) or even various pictures that relate to each other in a coherent way.

sdv - I think you are on the right track here. He may have achieved states where he experienced quantum synchronicity. If he was/is susceptible to messianic proclivities and had experienced semi controlled psychotic states, what can happen is one can achieve a state where the real/physical world actually links up with the mind in a way one believes they are in a full blown, direct communication with what they believe is God or Great Spirit or whatever they can imagine is the supreme being. That feeds the messianic complex like pouring gas on a fire. I say this based on the last several days research of the subject - the Archons - and the massive amount of materials available in this thread - and experiences I have had since I was 6 years old.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

Notice Ra is involved here which dovetails into Ra and the Law of One material which David Wilcock seems to take as gospel. I always had concerns about "channeled" material as I always felt true enlightenment can only be found on an individual basis and only found within - but what do I know as just a week ago I was a die hard believer in the Plan (a plan that based on what I know now, would be only negative anyway - apologies I digressed).

If there is something to the influence of these "archonic beings" - one of their primary games being the messiah game - then perhaps not only is Drake and Wilcock and others being played by real world physical beings, but they are possibly under influence of these archonic beings.

I know what I am posting here may come as a surprise to anyone who has read my posts in the last few weeks, but sometimes just a few pieces falling into place can change an entire picture (and perhaps free one from similar influences as a side benefit).

I believe I have been wrong about Drake and wrong that the Plan could even happen.

I hope my honesty is appreciated and I hope my apology for my "drum beating" will be accepted.

justonefool who may have perhaps wised up

EDIT May 7th, 2012: - My switch on Drake and the Plan lasted a brief 48 hour period - this is documented in my thread -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44427-Change-of-heart-regarding-Drake-Wilcock-Fulford-and-The-Plan

As of Monday April 30th, I was a Drake "drum beater" again - do note my concern as to how we handle those that might be arrested.

[Jeffrey]

Notice Ra is involved here which dovetails into Ra and the Law of One material which David Wilcock seems to take as gospel.

Thanks,

I find this curious as well considering what Houman has brought to the table.

[Delight]

How do you propose we change anything if the system will not abdicate any power and only grows worse? It poisons the water, it experiments on the population and treats them as commodities. Do you think these people will just stop one day and have a change of heart? I mean especially if they are managing this by using darker powers they are not going to stop until they are removed by force. Force, as sad as it is, is the only guaranteed method of making something happen in this reality. Ideally all we'd need is peaceful non-participation like MLK had said, but for that to work it requires numbers. The Civil Rights movement had to shut down entire cities in the south for weeks or months to make a point about segregation and they were dealing with far less entrenched money and central organization than we have now. Spreading awareness is good, spreading peace and love is good, but let's not mince words this is the same government that also used COINTELPRO to try and get MLK to commit suicide. They can and will resort to any tactic needed if they feel you are a threat and we can see that with how the FBI has basically been creating terrorism to say they're catching terrorists."

I hear you.
I have a personal experience to relate that just because something that "looks good" is implemented, it will fail when one does not address the "inner tyrant" and the "inner serf". When people do something for the same egoistically focused reasons as the present "power", the same dynamics occur. Being a serf is egoistic as well as being a tyrant.

A "reformer" in my community started an organization. She is an idealistic hard working person who believes in doing good. She also believes there should be strong leadership, that making decisions that are NOT based on group consensus are better as discussion and agreement "take too much effort". She has strong loyalty but if you get on her "bad side"...grudges persist. She enjoys her power in controlling in this small way. She will be sarcastic and belittle people in public. She does not understand that the metaphysics precedes manifestation and that as we are, we experience reality. Many others were just "fine" with this set up. Some hoped she would change if they tried hard enough to change "her".

She had an inspiration to feed people. She gathered the small group attracted to the issue. The group grew organic vegies and raised money for the local food bank. The group depended on the "nonprofit status" of another group running a shelter and food bank. The people involved worked really hard and a reputation formed that this group is GREAT and money rolled in. All along the people involved were somewhat stymied because looking at a vision of the future was not appreciated. Severral people came and left silently because they had experienced her wrath when they "spoke out". No one could change "her".

There was an in crowd that made the decisions. One decision was neglect of the bigger picture despite advice. She felt she "knew" best and she trusted she would get her way. But then one day, because of her beingness, she attracted betrayal. The funds raised by the group were "legitimately" taken and used by the larger organization. Because this small group had no status on its own and because it had suited her to control things as she did, the money was owned by the larger umbrella.

Even when this occurred, she did not want to lay the facts out on the table for the group to see. She wanted to just pretend NOW the group was ready to become its own nonprofit and she would slide by the facing up to this error she had made (in not listening to others for one thing, giving up her control with formality). Many in the group felt their efforts had been wasted. They felt disillusioned and left. The group now struggles and looks to be almost dead.

In order to actually create new structures that do not continue everything just as it looks now, it has to be acknowledged that people and their attitudes, beliefs, willingness to be "shushed", willingness to cut corners, willingness to be "controlled" are all part of the patterns that repeat. Things arise and fall out of substance that is only the externalizing of the reality of states of being.

So, one wants to change "something" and make it last. Beyond brief flashes of brilliant inspiration and a shorter or longer existence, can anything last?

One has to go back to the world behind the eyelids to know where "reality" begins. Plenty of people participated in the escapade that failed to live up to a "hope". Everyone in it who participated received something: a new friendship, a confrontation, a disappointment that led to greater wisdom, a sense of self-empowerment from speaking truth to "power", a sense of being of use? But the basis of the community exercise was replaying the old "small community" program of fiefdoms. Everything changes and nothing changes until people change. That is perhaps the only "lasting" aspect. If one cannot see yet how to make a new world "real" is by changing the inner state, one will just keep being disappointed by "reality".

I agree that we can't wait until the world is made perfect to do "anything". We will have to see the world differently however than we have been to make peace with its presence. It is the shadow of things unseen. We are the light casting shadows and that makes the real world the spiritual one.

[the_vast_mystery]

Delight, I really agree with what you're saying. My primary problem is nobody has correctly synthesized the language or strategy that combines an inner and outer approach. We must deal with all of these problems at once and I think that's what you're saying as well. But we can't go too far in one direction or the other. If we focus only on inner development we ignore those suffering, starving and dying in Africa or the Middle East and we belittle and insult their suffering and poverty, as well as losing family and friends in drone strikes by proclaiming the problem is all in their heads.

If we focus all on the outer then like you said we'll fall prey to the same human failures as before. There needs to be a middle ground, a balance, a combination that will fix real problems and also account for human error and human behavior.

[Delight]

Delight, I really agree with what you're saying. My primary problem is nobody has correctly synthesized the language or strategy that combines an inner and outer approach. We must deal with all of these problems at once and I think that's what you're saying as well. But we can't go too far in one direction or the other. If we focus only on inner development we ignore those suffering, starving and dying in Africa or the Middle East and we belittle and insult their suffering and poverty, as well as losing family and friends in drone strikes by proclaiming the problem is all in their heads.

If we focus all on the outer then like you said we'll fall prey to the same human failures as before. There needs to be a middle ground, a balance, a combination that will fix real problems and also account for human error and human behavior.

I suppose that I am stuck on wanting to make peace with the "situations" while refusing to give in to a belief these situations are permanent and objective. Whatever I am in personally seems to be true and important. But that is not important at the same time (paradox). I make peace by speaking my mind and being considered "too outspoken". But it makes me feel good.

I claim that I am Divine and that the only obstacle between my Divinity and the display of that state is wherever I still am caught wanting "results" that are preconceived by my egoistic grasp on the past. I believe I have felt real power. I have felt it as a surge that moves the stars but held in my body. It is without any "preconception" but yet if I am holding a cat, she or he feels it. I would like to extend that sense of power. But I cannot convince anyone that it is real.

If I were drawn to something, I would want to go forward and participate but see always that I was observing a mirror of something...even maybe a mirror of feeling empathy for what is suffered, maybe a mirror of where I am still in serf/tyrant mode, something "meaningful" but that is not really "objective" about the "world". It pleases me to see "every bit" of me as powerful not because I did anything but because I am part of something absolutely unspeakably powerful that holds me in its midst as a bit of awareness.

This discussion is about Drake and what he claims or "IS", what other dragons and etc. ARE, what the world ought to be like? I am very ferocious in my insistence that this is a Divine world, not material. Does anyone need to believe that? No, no more than anything else. But it pleases me to write this down here. That is enough for me.

Yes, That is just fine. Thanks for letting me share here.

[the_vast_mystery]

I suppose that I am stuck on wanting to make peace with the "situations" while refusing to give in to a belief these situations are permanent and objective. Whatever I am in personally seems to be true and important. But that is not important at the same time (paradox). I make peace by speaking my mind and being considered "too outspoken". But it makes me feel good.

I claim that I am Divine and that the only obstacle between my Divinity and the display of that state is wherever I still am caught wanting "results" that are preconceived by my egoistic grasp on the past. I believe I have felt real power. I have felt it as a surge that moves the stars but held in my body. It is without any "preconception" but yet if I am holding a cat, she or he feels it. I would like to extend that sense of power. But I cannot convince anyone that it is real.

If I were drawn to something, I would want to go forward and participate but see always that I was observing a mirror of something...even maybe a mirror of feeling empathy for what is suffered, maybe a mirror of where I am still in serf/tyrant mode, something "meaningful" but that is not really "objective" about the "world". It pleases me to see "every bit" of me as powerful not because I did anything but because I am part of something absolutely unspeakably powerful that holds me in its midst as a bit of awareness.

This discussion is about Drake and what he claims or "IS", what other dragons and etc. ARE, what the world ought to be like? I am very ferocious in my insistence that this is a Divine world, not material. Does anyone need to believe that? No, no more than anything else. But it pleases me to write this down here. That is enough for me.

Yes, That is just fine. Thanks for letting me share here.

Wow, one thing I will say about this place, there's a lot of refreshing honesty, even if I can't say I agree with everything I always leave feeling like I've learned a new way to consider a situation. I appreciate the perspective. :)

[Beren]

We are dealing with an enemy that is so vast, so pernicious and vile that we cannot truly fathom it. We face a race that is hell bent on ruling the world. They are the Tares of the parable of the Wheat and the Tares, and for those with eyes to see and ears to hear, you know we cannot uproot them for it will only hurt the Wheat. The Tares know this and count on it. They have gained control of all the governments of the world, the finances, the media, food, and laws. They are untouchable and they know it. To strike one down will only make them a martyr who was serving humanity. To do nothing only ensures further control. It is a nightmare and it is meant to bring us down to our deepest selves, our true being and decide whom we love and follow. Most of the world has been trained to hate the God of the bible. There have been decades, lo a century of anti-bible teaching.

We have been warned that in the last days the hearts will grow cold, the people will tell tales and seek truth from false prophets who tickle their itching ears. We have been told what till happen, the signs to look for, and the season it will happen, but we have been taught by man to no longer trust that information, and to seek our own path. Step outside of your beliefs and just look at the world, then look at what we were told would happen. Look at the alignment of kingdoms and principalities. Look at the wickedness in high places. It is all there for us to plainly see and yet we deny it for then we would have to consider the source of that information.

Welcome to the harvest. For those who hate the Elites, the Ptb, the Tares, you shall soon see them removed and not by the hand of man, but by divine intervention. Call God an alien if you want, he did come in a highly polished bronze ship called "amber" in Ezekiel. The truth is he (one in energy of masculine and feminine no sex just a way to express the being) has been watching and knowing our hearts. He cast asunder the middle wall of partisan within us and between us as individuals so that we are all called to be one in spirit with him. Many are called but few are chosen. Many will run to him in this final day and claim their love and he will say, "Get away from me, I never KNEW you". You say you seek truth.

"I am the way the truth and the life, no man cometh to the father but by me".

and then we were told:

Joh 8:32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.


Yeshua is the truth. If you know him and not just know about him, then you are free. Death has lost it's sting and there is no controlling you. You will live freely, speak freely for you do not fear man or any force, but have a true relationship and know the maker and lover of your soul. I intimately know that sorrow spoken of when he cried for Jerusalem for they would not listen. The gift is free, you do not become a slave anymore than you become a slave when you fall in love. You do what you do for your lover because of love. I am not there yet in unconditional love, but I feel God's love for each and everyone of you and me, and it humbles me beyond words. He is the rose of Sharon, and the balm of Gilead. He is able to make all things right, and while we look for saviors among men, we ignore the one already sent to our own shame and judgment. My spirit is in sackcloth and ashes as I cry bitter tears knowing how we hurt one another and the one who loved and created us in love. We will stand in judgement as prophesied. We will be a light shining upon a hill, but it will be a burning light of judgement. We have each earned our place and we will each stand on our own. My hope and prayer is that we walk in the true unconditional love of the Father and in that all men will know the truth and love one another equally.


See the symbolism in this Rose (it's there for those with eyes to see):


http://colourconscious.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/roseofsharonwhite01.jpg






Thank you Unified Serenity,

one has had to have eyes to see and ears to hear.
Here lies the problem with Dragon as an archetype or literal one.
BTW even literal - retillian and dragon forms are possessed with spirit of ...(put any name in this field) so we really talk about spirit force behind .

And here comes Christ`s tone of no one coming to Father unless through him... No one will be able to come to Source of life and love -the infinity itself unless willing to be Christ embodied and thus being whom allowed that its innermost soul become LOVE.

There is no different way ultimately.

Many paths but ultimately one has to sojourn or go this one,else it will never ever reach God.

Knowing this ,I ask Dragon kind and all whom are in love with their archetype or spirit behind ;


1.where leads your path?

2.perpetuate enslaving of other kinds of souls in existence by any possible way in order to be Dragons or minions- is this the way of Love?

[Beren]

Delight, I really agree with what you're saying. My primary problem is nobody has correctly synthesized the language or strategy that combines an inner and outer approach. We must deal with all of these problems at once and I think that's what you're saying as well. But we can't go too far in one direction or the other. If we focus only on inner development we ignore those suffering, starving and dying in Africa or the Middle East and we belittle and insult their suffering and poverty, as well as losing family and friends in drone strikes by proclaiming the problem is all in their heads.

If we focus all on the outer then like you said we'll fall prey to the same human failures as before. There needs to be a middle ground, a balance, a combination that will fix real problems and also account for human error and human behavior.

Exactly!

Christ has given this exact primer.
Dealing with innermost feelings and motivations while aiding in physical to others by feeding,healing,resurrecting,watching,helping...

When you ARE BE-ing you are acting from both levels.

We are called to BE.

[Chester]

Exactly!

Christ has given this exact primer.
Dealing with innermost feelings and motivations while aiding in physical to others by feeding,healing,resurrecting,watching,helping...

When you ARE BE-ing you are acting from both levels.

We are called to BE.

Hi Beren, when you say Christ, do you refer to an archetype or Jesus or perhaps both?

Thanks

[Beren]

Exactly!

Christ has given this exact primer.
Dealing with innermost feelings and motivations while aiding in physical to others by feeding,healing,resurrecting,watching,helping...

When you ARE BE-ing you are acting from both levels.

We are called to BE.

Hi Beren, when you say Christ, do you refer to an archetype or Jesus or perhaps both?

Thanks

Both.

It`s about the essence manifested in Christ.

Here lies the trouble or problem for Dragon wanna be world ;

you do not live up to your highest being if you as human live the Dragon way.

We are blessed beyond comprehension and are not the only one blessed in Universe. Our full potential is being Gods with big G.
Being slaves or exterminated just because some life form in their own fallen consciousness thinks so IS NOT what`s going to happen.

[Kimberley]

Exactly!

Christ has given this exact primer.
Dealing with innermost feelings and motivations while aiding in physical to others by feeding,healing,resurrecting,watching,helping...

When you ARE BE-ing you are acting from both levels.

We are called to BE.

Hi Beren, when you say Christ, do you refer to an archetype or Jesus or perhaps both?

Thanks

Both.

It`s about the essence manifested in Christ.

Here lies the trouble or problem for Dragon wanna be world ;

you do not live up to your highest being if you as human live the Dragon way.

We are blessed beyond comprehension and are not the only one blessed in Universe. Our full potential is being Gods with big G.
Being slaves or exterminated just because some life form in their own fallen consciousness thinks so IS NOT what`s going to happen.

YES YES YES!!! I so love this... Thank you all for all you are!!! We are all connected... and we are all unique.. And all is in perfect order ... and we are all one/connected!!

Much love to us all!! :grouphug:

[jorr lundstrom]

As we have got so many threads dealing with Drake, couldnt we
have a special Drake section like we had on the Charles material
last year? That was called "The Rulers of the World". Maybe we
could call this "Savior of the World" or sth. Just a suggestion.


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[Jeffrey]

Exactly!

Christ has given this exact primer.
Dealing with innermost feelings and motivations while aiding in physical to others by feeding,healing,resurrecting,watching,helping...

When you ARE BE-ing you are acting from both levels.

We are called to BE.

Hi Beren, when you say Christ, do you refer to an archetype or Jesus or perhaps both?

Thanks

Both.

It`s about the essence manifested in Christ.

Here lies the trouble or problem for Dragon wanna be world ;

you do not live up to your highest being if you as human live the Dragon way.

We are blessed beyond comprehension and are not the only one blessed in Universe. Our full potential is being Gods with big G.
Being slaves or exterminated just because some life form in their own fallen consciousness thinks so IS NOT what`s going to happen.

Jesus takes on a slightly different role when we are talking about Dragon Bloodlines:


Now if the "Grail" is the womb of the Dragon Queens, that sacred symbol of the serpent bloodlines, and Jesus is symbolic of Balder, son of the serpent goddess, it suddenly makes symbolic sense of the claims by people like Sir Laurence Gardner. He says that the Merovingian (reptilian) bloodline is the "Grail" bloodline of "Jesus" and "Mary" Magdalene.
 
With his close connections to the ancient Imperial Royal Dragon Court and Order, which serves the interests of the "Dragon bloodlines", Gardner would surely know the real symbolism of the Grail and Jesus, wouldn't he? Gardner says that the "Dragon" refers to the fact that the kings of this bloodline used to be anointed in Egypt by the fat of the sacred crocodile. El and Balder were symbolized as crocodiles and the crocodile was known in Egypt as the "messeh", from which we get "Messiah" and "Christ".

This is only a small excerpt, more can be read here:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/matrix/matrix10.htm

Jesus takes on yet another role when he's looked at in the context of the Archons and Gnostic scripture.

There are two viewpoints.

Jesus, the Gnostic teacher:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_ZZZZL.htm

Then, the perversion of said teacher - achieved through the deception and manipulative tactics of Archonic influence:

http://www.vigli.org/Avalon/Horus-Ra_as_the_Archontic_Alien_Parasite.pdf

[Jeffrey]

The powers that were have lived off the rest of humanity like parasites. We no longer wish to remain their host...!

I was re-reading the thread, and this caught my eye... Synchronistic considering the avenue of information being pursued in the thread now. This metaphor seems to run very deep.

[Chester]

Both.

It`s about the essence manifested in Christ.

Here lies the trouble or problem for Dragon wanna be world ;

you do not live up to your highest being if you as human live the Dragon way.

We are blessed beyond comprehension and are not the only one blessed in Universe. Our full potential is being Gods with big G.
Being slaves or exterminated just because some life form in their own fallen consciousness thinks so IS NOT what`s going to happen.

Hi Beren, are you aware of the gospels found in the Nag Hammadi and if so, is the jesus figure's teachings in those gospels in alignment with what you would place under Christ teachings?

[wynderer]

what's up w/this dragon thing anyway? -- i've never seen a dragon -- & i'm 'gifted' & tend to see these things if they exist -- have any of you dragon afficianados ever seen one? or is it some image, some gestalt of meaning & feeling that just kind of grabbed you?

THE REPTILIANS CONTROL YOUR HUMAN MINDS THRU THE USE OF SYMBOLS

[Jeffrey]

what's up w/this dragon thing anyway? -- i've never seen a dragon -- & i'm 'gifted' & tend to see these things if they exist -- have any of you dragon afficianados ever seen one? or is it some image, some gestalt of meaning & feeling that just kind of grabbed you?

THE REPTILIANS CONTROL YOUR HUMAN MINDS THRU THE USE OF SYMBOLS

There are plenty of back and forths throughout the thread about what exactly is being discussed. It's not nessecarily fire-breathing dragons. Reptilian influence (or Archonic) has been brought up and is part of the research when considering everything together.

Drake is associated with the Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon.


May I suggest you google the following terms:

Dragon Sovereignty

The Royal Dragon Court and Order



There are also some really great links posted throughout the thread.

I agree with your assessment about control and manipulation to a degree.

Again, I will post this link again, if you haven't yet read it, I think you may enjoy it:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

Also, it is my understanding that our brain is reptilian based. Am I making that up? Anybody care to chime in?

EDIT - There is an informative thread regarding reptilian brains and the like by KiwiElf here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43893-The-Reptilians-Humanity-s-Historical-Link-to-the-Serpent-Race

[Ishtar]

Justoneman,

I hope this goes some way to answer your question about the Nag Hammadi Gospels.

As already discussed here, in the ancient world, the serpent represented wisdom, and all references to its latter Greek manifestation as the goddess of wisdom, Sophia, have been changed in the Bible from Sophia to 'wisdom'..

The Book of Wisdom, for instance, was originally the Book of Sophia, and it describes how she was the equal counterpart and consort of God before Judaeo-Christianity decided to downplay the sacred role of the female.

GRS Mead, in his Introduction to the Gnostic Nag Hammadi gospel, Pistis Sophia, discusses here the origins of Gnosticism and thus Christianity (which he believes stems from it) as a development of Ophitism, which is the polite word for the Serpent Cult.


The question of the sect or even grouping to which the Pistis Sophia literature should be assigned is still more difficult. To call it "Ophiticâ" is nebulous at best. Ophitism in Gnosticism is ill-defined if not chaotic, owing to the confusing indications of the Church Fathers. They called Ophitic or classed as Ophitic very different sects who never used the name for themselves.

It ought to mean people either who worshipped the serpent or in whose symbolism or mythology serpent played the most characteristic or dominant role. But most of what we are told of the views and doctrines of circles directly referred to under the opprobrious designation (as it is clearly intended to be by the heresiologists) and of those brought into close connection with them, has not the slightest reference to what by hypothesis should have been their chief cult symbol.

Sed et serpens is conspicuous by its absence. All that we can legitimately say is that along this confused line of heredity, we have to push back our researches in any endeavour to discover the earliest developments of Gnosticism in Christian circles. These took place unquestionably from a Syrian ground and doubtless had already a long heredity behind them, former phases of syncretism, blendings of Babylonian, Persian, Semitic and other elements.

The "Ophitic" elements in Pistis Sophia are of Syrian origin, but developed on Egyptian soil. If there is also a slight Hellenizing tingeing, it is not of a philosophising nature.

Of course, Mead was writing in 1921, and archaeology has brought a lot to light since. In addition, much of the serpent nature of the teachings would be hidden - the hidden wisdom. So perhaps Mead didn't notice that the OPH of Ophism is hidden in her name, Sophia. On top of that, one of the epithets for Jesus in Pistis Sophia is Abramentho - ABR is a another root word for 'serpent' and ABRAM means king of serpents.

So it looks to me that both early Judaism and early Gnostic Christianity might be a cleaned up version of the Serpent Cult, from which the Dragon Orders came.

Read more here: The Serpent Cult (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?13-The-Serpent-Cult)

[Jeffrey]

 
 
 

Article taken from: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_divinerightrule01.htm

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October 28th, 1998, a number of newspapers across the country ran an Associated Press article entitled "Presidential Hopefuls Share Blue Blood Lines."
 
The article, based on information put forth by Burke’s Peerage, claims that every single President of the United States has had a notable amount of royal European ancestry, and in each Presidential race, the one with the most royal genes is the one who wins - every single time. This tendency has been noted in supposedly Democratic European politics as well, prompting some to charge that a global conspiracy exists to keep power within the hands of a specific gene pool.

This charge is not entirely baseless, and many books have been written tracing the modern aristocratic bloodlines back to the royal houses of Israel, Egypt, Sumer, and beyond. The charge is further supported by the fact that many of the supposed conspirators proudly boast about the ancient origins of their ancestry. The traditional explanation for why power is passed down through the ages by blood has been the mystical Divine Right of Kings.
 
This dates back to the 17th century and states that a king is created by God, and kingly authority resides in the blood irrespective of anything else. Many have claimed that there is a genetic characteristic carried in the blood itself which makes this so, but what would it be?
 
Is there a legitimate physiological reason behind the Divine Right of Kings?
 
 

Fields of the Nephilim

The all-important element of the Divine Right is that it comes from God, or "the gods," alternately. And who were these gods? Authors such as Zecharia Sitchin, Sir Laurence Gardner and Nicolas de Vere are authoritatively convinced that kingship was created by an advanced race of beings called the Anunnaki, also called the Nephilim in the Old Testament.
 
These were the ones who created the human race and interbred with a portion of it to create the kingly caste which until this day has still maintained control over the Earth.

These celestial creatures have been variously identified with:
Dragons
Elves
Fairies
Gnomes
Leprechauns
Sprites
Nymphs
Pixies
Angels
Demons
Devils
Witches
Giants
Vampires
Werewolves
and just about every mythical being you can imagine
Some, like Gardner and Sitchin, claim that they come from another planet. Others, like de Vere, say that they’re multi-dimensional, or that they’re from the Hollow Earth.
 
Some, like David Icke, say that they are humans inhabited by the spirits of multidimensional reptiles, capable of shapeshifting into reptile form at any time. Still others claim that they were humanoid, but more than human, with pale white skin. The human hybrid offspring that they created as the Royal/Priestly caste was, according to most, the Aryans, who usually had red hair with green eyes - in stark contrast to the traditional Hitlerian vision.
 
Nicolas de Vere, the leader of an organization called The Dragon Court which claims to represent this royal Aryan caste, writes,
"the depiction of the Aryan (Scythian) as a tall, ruddy-complexioned blonde moist ’ yeoman-farmer-warrior-god has no basis in truth."
He further suggests that the "yeoman-farmer" Celtic, Gaulish and Pictish tribes which we now think of as Aryan were actually of a different race, but had hired the extra-human Aryans to be their leaders.

These Aryans were also the masterminds behind the Indian, Hittite, Greek, Egyptian, Hebrew, Sumerian and Pre-Sumerian Ubaid civilizations. Many believe that their descendants can be found amongst the segment of the population with the RH Negative blood type, roughly 5% of the Earth’s population, most of them Europeans.
 
These people are often born with:
an extra vertebra
have a lower than normal body temperature
can rarely mate with one another successfully, which suggests that they may indeed be a hybrid species
Conspiracy enthusiast Arizona Wilder takes it a step further by stating:
"The Aryan bloodline is alien to this planet... There are 13 bloodlines from this kind of stock (the Merovingians being one), and all of them have to a greater or lesser degree the capacity to play host to the Shape Changer reptiles."
The other 12 families have been identified as Astor, Bundy, Collins, Dupont, Freeman, Kennedy, Li, Onassis, Reynolds, Rockefeller, Rothschild, Russell, and Van Duyn, with the rest of the European Royal Families being categorized as Merovingian.
 
These are the people referred to by the fanatical group, the Sons of Jared, when they,
"pledge an implacable war against the descendants of the Watchers, who as notorious pharaohs, kings and dictators, have throughout history dominated mankind.. like super-gangsters, a celestial Mafia ruling the world."
The Book of Enoch says that the sons of the Nephilim, are destined to,
"afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle and work destruction on the earth."
Nicolas de Vere, himself a Prince of the Dragon Blood, sees it quite differently. He sees them as the rightful shepherds of the human flock. He states:
The fairies were tuned to a higher frequency of perception and activity generally. In the past, therefore, because the Fairies were, for millennia, physiologically bred and exhaustively trained to operate at a higher level than men, humans often invited them to become social navigators... A dragon was one who saw clearly, and the clarity of vision engendered was always classically associated with wisdom, which itself produces power....
The Anunnaki and their quasi-human offspring are attributed with remarkable traits. They lived for thousands of years, were capable of levitation, dimension-hopping, clairvoyance, and other magical powers, all a product of applied eugenics.
 
De Vere explains:
"Selective unions gave the race the opportunity to breed outstanding magicians whose gift of natural perception and understanding and whose ability to access the ’Otherworld’ helped to produce and guide brilliant kings who ruled with elegant aplomb.
 
The ability to perform magic was carried in the blood and of that blood," and "the Elves were relied upon by their client races to be able to see things and perform feats that these client races couldn’t."
Laurence Gardner, himself a former member of the Dragon Court, concurs:
"hi short, these people were bred to be leaders of mankind, and they were both mentally and physically maintained in the highward state."
But what property did they inherit in the blood which makes this possible? The experts are nearly unanimous about the fact that the answer is endocrinology. Says de Vere:
"hormonal levels [are] influenced by genetic inheritance and that hormones [affect] the individual’s perceptions, psychological unicameralism and the subsequent ability to transcend and perceive the intricacies of the cosmos. Elven blood [is) rich in these substances."
 
 
Starfire bloodfests
"The best blood is of the moon, monthly..." Aleister Crowley, The Book of the Law.
The beneficial effects of the hormone melatonin have been part of the health supplement scene for some time, for high melatonin production is known to be synonymous with a high immune system, a low cancer risk, long life, energy, stamina, and according to many, enhanced spiritual awareness.
 
Perhaps it is fitting then that this hormone is secreted by the pineal gland, a mysterious little item long believed by mystics to be the "Seat of the Soul," "Me Third Eye," and the organ through which psychic powers are exercised. In fact, it actually functions as an organ of sight in some reptiles, and it still seems to possess some sensitivity to light in higher mammals, since melatonin production increases when the person is exposed to darkness (thus melatonin means "night worker!")
 
Writes Laurence Gardner:
High melatonin production thereby increases the facility for receiving and transmitting high-frequency cosmic and local broadcasts, and leads to a greater state of cosmic awareness - a state simply of ’knowing.’ In this regard, it is interesting to note that the Pineal Third Eye has been found to contain very fine granular particles, rather like the crystals in a wireless receiving set.
Many magical rites and meditation techniques are aimed at gaining control of this organ and the fluid it produces: the live melatonin.
 
Rumor has it that the members of the supersecret society Skull & Bones, to which both George Bush and his son belong, engage in a ceremony called "The Obscene Rite," which involves the consumption of the live pineal gland of a human or animal sacrifice in order to get the fresh secretions.
 
Supplements bought over the counter are ineffective because, as Gardner explains,
"their inherent secretions are obtained from the desiccated glands of dead animals and they lack the truly important elements which only exist in live human glandular manufacture."
Aryan bloodline is alien to this planet... There are 13 bloodlines from this kind of stock all of them have a greater or lesser degree the capacity to play host to the shape changer reptiles.

But the Aryan overlords who ruled over mankind in ancient days had a simpler way of acquiring this fluid. Their ancestor-gods, the Anunnaki, had endocrine systems that produced large amounts of this and other beneficial substances, so they drank it straight from the source: the menstrual blood and vaginal fluids of the goddesses themselves.
 
This they referred to lovingly as "Starfire" and drank in a ritual ceremony called the Black Mass, after which the Catholic Mass is said to have been modeled. Later, as direct contact with the Anunnaki ceased, the fluids were collected from sacred priestesses referred to as "Scarlet Women," or "Grail Maidens."

Readers will recognize the Scarlet Woman as the Whore of Revelations, as well as the title which Aleister Crowley gave to all of his sex magick partners.
"These sacred, royal princesses" writes de Vere, "virgins of High Birth and Pure Blood, at an optimum age would be chosen to act as feeding females," whose essences contained such valuable substances as, "oxytocin, prolactin, melatonin, seratonin, adenosyne triphosphate, dopamine, telomerase, and retinol."
There is another important ingredient in the mix here. De Vere explains,
"many think that only men have semen when in fact women also have it."
And so a Starfire ritual involves the use of a golden straw.

Stich a device would have been inserted into the virgin’s urethra to the depth of about one inch, whilst the partner in the rite inserted his or her finger into the vagina and massaged the "roof of the mouth" or uppermost wall of the canal nearest the open or ’mouth’ of the vagina, behind the pubic bone.
 
After a few conducive moments perhaps, orgasm would occur and the fluid from the gland would discharge itself through the straw, either into the waiting mouth of the recipient, or onto a "grail platter" or dish held next to the vulva.

Keen readers will recognize this as identical to a sex magick ritual advocated by Aleister Crowley for members of his Order or Oriental Templars (OTO). The only difference is that his rite also involved the use of male semen which was called the "Red Tincture" or "coagulated blood," while the female fluids were called "Gluten" or "The White Tincture."
 
Together they made "The Elixir of Life," and in alchemy blood and semen are the primae materia or first matter of the great work.
*"this is the true Key to Magick," writes Crowley. "That is, by the right use of this secret man may impose his Will on Nature herself."
 
Monatomic Gold: the substitute

According to de Vere and others, ingesting the fluids of mundane women has only a slight effect, certainly not enough to maintain a royal Dragon family in the manner to which they’re accustomed.
 
And after a few thousand years the genetic purity of their Grail maidens began to deteriorate, so the Starfire lost it’s potency. This reportedly began around 1960 BC and is equated with the time that an edict was handed down to Noah by God demanding that the consumption of all blood cease immediately. (Gen. 9:4)
 
Thus, a substitute had to be found, and so the alchemical process was created as a means of artificially creating the Elixir of Life, the Philosopher’s Stone, also known as "potable gold." This is created using a black powder known as occultum, the universal solvent which has the power to transmute metals.
 
When placed against gold it converted it into a white powder which could be ingested. It is said to cause nothing less than immortality, as it sets off a self-correcting mechanism in your DNA that lasts for thousands of years. It also bestows the enhanced melatonin production and magical powers associated with Startfire, including clairvoyance, dimension-hopping and flying capabilities. It is believed that this "white gold" is the same as the "Shew-bread" and "Manna from Heaven" mentioned in the Old Testament.

Today, there are those who publicly proclaim knowledge of the Philosopher’s Stone. A man named David Hudson claims to have created a technique for manufacturing this white gold, which he’s patented as ORME (Orbitally Rearranged Monatomic Elements).
 
Ormus is a name associated with the Holy Grail, and so readers may not be surprised to learn that Hudson himself is related to the Merovingian Grail family through Claude de Guise. Basically, the powder is created by putting gold into a higher atomic state through a series of intense heating and cooling sessions, during which it loses and gains weight radically, as though portions of the mass were being transferred into another dimension.
 
David Hudson describes the magical quantum properties of his white gold:
These M-state elements have been observed to exhibit superconductivity, superfluidity, Josephson tunneling and magnetic levitation... They may enhance energy flow in the microtubules inside every living cell. Ingesting in-state gold has different effects on the body than the effects of ingesting metallic gold. At 2 mg. it totally has gotten rid of Karposi Sarcomas on AIDS patients.
 
Within 2 hours, their white blood cell count goes from 2500 to 6500. ... Stage 4 cancer patients have taken it orally, and after 4 5 days have no cancer left any place in the body. It’s been used on Lou Gehrig’s disease, it’s been used on MS, it’s been used on MD, it’s been used on arthritis. It literally corrects the DNA.
 
 
Sympathy for The Devil

All of this puts a nice, friendly face on the whole thing, which is currently a secret power held only by an elite caste of Aryans who use it to lord themselves over the rest of the human population.
 
And there are those who have said that the "substitute" white gold never did away with the original practice of blood-drinking as a method for obtaining the substances they needed. David Icke and his associate, Arizona Wilder, have campaigned the globe to inform its citizens with Chicken Little-like hysteria that most of its financiers, politicians and aristocrats are actually under the control of Reptilian beings from another dimension, who are inhabiting their bodies.
 
Icke states:
"To hold their human form, these entities need to drink human (mammalian) blood and access the energy it contains to maintain their DNA codes in their ’human’ expression. If they don’t, they manifest their reptilian codes and we would all see what they really look like."
Icke believes that most of this blood is obtained in human sacrifice rituals engaged in by the Satanic Illuminati. He explains:
"From what I understand from former ’insiders’, the blood (energy) of babies and small children is the most effective for this, as are blond-haired, blue-eyed people. Hence these are the ones overwhelmingly used in sacrifice, as are red-haired people also."
His compatriot, Arizona Wiilder, goes into a bit more detail when she writes,
"They have a hypnotic gaze which fixes the victim - in a trance of terror - which promotes secretion of the pineal gland - at that point, they cannot hold human form any longer and begin to shapeshift in anticipation of supper."
Wilder claims to have witnessed Laurence Gardner drinking blood and shapeshifting during a sacrifice at Montauk, New York, as well as a number of others who were transformed during similar bloodfests, including,
Bush and his two sons
Albright
Kissinger
Reagan and Nancy
J. Rockefeller
Ford
Carter and LB Johnson
Queen Mum
Queen Liz II
Princess Margaret
Charles
Tony Blair
Prince Philip
Zecharia Sitchin
She acknowledges that Starfire rituals go on as well:
In the underground vaults of his castle in the Alsace Region of France, green glowing fluorescent rocks tam stored menstrual blood black to be used at that special ritual. All the British House apparently have jewel-encrusted goblets to drink the blood from the symbolic female grail and a symbolic dagger to give it a bit of a stir.
 
Some Spencers were at these rituals, but Diana would not attend... the smell of Diana’s periods would have caused Charles to shapeshift - especially whilst sleeping because the reptiles cannot retain their human form without concentration.
This may shed new light on Prince Charles’ reported desire to become a tampon. Aware of these charges, Laurence Gardner and Nicolas de Vere have tried to clear the record.
 
They’ve acknowledged that vampirism does take place at their rituals, but maintain that they only drink the blood of their own family members, who participate willingly.
"You cannot take the essences by force, they are only given in love," he says, otherwise, "their systems will react by producing chemicals during one’s assault upon them that will completely knock out the chemicals traditionally required."
They claim that vampirisin was originally the purview of a few noble families who practiced it in order to maintain their powers.
"The most famous stories," writes de Vere, "those of Dracula, Bathory and de Rais, support this conclusion."
He and Gardner enthusiastically embrace Dracula as one of their own:
"This Sacred Prince, a Hermetic scholar and initiate, a student of magic, Magus, Witch Lord and Dragon Prince, counterbalanced the bloodlust of his forebears with a refined knowledge and advanced practice of Grail procedure."
This is because he was a member of Sigismund’s Dragon Court in Hungary, and therefore of the Grail blood, who also attended a hermetic academy called the Austrian School of Solomon.
"The orthodox establishment’s fear of Dracula," writes, Gardner, "was not his treatment of enemies but his in-depth knowledge of alchemy, kingship and the ancient Star Fire customs."
As for the claim that they use these rituals to conjure up dragon ancestors from another dimension, de Vere calmly admits that this is the case, and that the participants have their bodies taken over by these spirits, who "rise from the dead to take possession of the witch’s soul!"
 
He further explains:
Any spirit including the archangels, conjured by the witch or magician was actually the ancestor of the witch. ... It was carried in the witch’s blood which, the purer it was through the unbroken descent from the Dragons, the stronger would be the return from the ancestors within. In other words, they brought together and spoke or gesticulated a series of mnemonics that would trigger off precontrived, imprinted states of consciousness that acted as doorways into deeper seats of consciousness.
The charge of Satanism is not entirely refuted either, but de Vere proffers that they are not worshipping Satan so much as honoring one of their forefathers, who they stick right in the family tree along with Jesus, David and the rest.
"The Sabbatical Goat of the Black Mass was Chem Zoroaster," he writes, "one of the early ancestors of the ancient Dragon Families," and, "Satan was also called by the witches ’Christ, son Dei.’ ...Jesus’ heredity and the descent of the druidic dynasties... was devilish, because the descent of both bloodlines was from the Sumerian Enki who was the Akkadian Samael: the Roman Lucifer and thus the Catholic Satan."
But the Dragon Court members make no apology for this, because,
"to any intelligent person, to any true seer, concepts like white or black magic or good and evil are irrational, childish nonsense; both in terms of logic and actual fact."
 
 
Every Elf for Himself
"This is our Law, and the Law of the Strong. " -- Crowley, ibid.
To the charges of "conspiring to take over the world," the Dragons deny that they give two licks what the rest of humanity does with itself.
 
Their primary concern is,
"the restoration of their own Tribes, their own Nation and their own Homelands.... the foundation of their own distinct society.. re-introducing their old social structures and values."
This results in "The Grail Code," a system of Egalitarian, Chivalric ethics that govern how dragons treat other members of their race. However, "it is not the code that efficiently orders the behavior of the Dragon Families in their dealings with those not of the Grail Blood."
 
They acknowledge and defend their own elitist attitudes towards mankind, whom they regard as,
"thoroughly stupid and dimwitted, with a clear indication that this condition is genetically inherited."
Whereas in contrast,
"The Elves were naturally transcendent of spirit and their queens and kings were insulated from the common round of nuisances and petty concerns by minds which were bred for deeper matters."
Despite their hatred of humanity, they will kindly agree to be the guardians of our governments again (if they aren’t secretly doing so already), should the population choose to accept them, and offer them the thrones of the Earth, which de Vere and friends indicate are rightfully theirs anyway.
 
They are just waiting for mankind to realize it again. We will have to deal with the fact that these "Elves" seem to be in possession of a material that bestows long life as well as fantastic physical, mental, and spiritual powers, giving them a distinct advantage through which they are clearly attempting to lord over us, while they allow our populations to wallow in disease, death, and spiritual degradation.
 
As an excuse, de Vere and Gardner claim that the Starfire and White Gold are only effective for those already of the Dragon Blood anyway, because the rest of us,
"won’t have the right blood serum or the right connections in their cerebral lobes."
De Vere denies the claims of most people who believe themselves to be of this bloodline.
"Some people argue that because of the outbreeding of the old families, there must be millions of people ’of the fairy blood’ living today: but such a statement flies in the face of accepted facts of history. The genuine old royal families rarely outbred at all, whilst the later, fake parvenu, tinker nobility whom people now confuse with them often did."
So that leaves little hope for you and me of ever obtaining the fruits of this magnificent "Philosopher’s Stone," which "gives youth to the old" and is described as "the summation of the heart’s desire."
 
And if such a substance were available to the public, how much would it cost? Would it be obtainable by everyone or only the rich and privileged? What if it could be administered for free in the water supply or was available in tablet form at your local pharmacy, covered by your health insurance policy? What would happen to our already exploding population?

As a species, mankind will have to decide how to deal with the information - provided that the information is aired in public someday, and provided our "thoroughly stupid and dim-witted" populace can figure out what to do with it. Will we take advantage of what could be our greatest opportunity to advance as a species, or will we allow it to be used against us by a caste of Aryan overlords who despise us (and who are literally the spawn of Satan!)
 
Then again, will we perhaps wish to accept their rule, and the benefits of being led by an advanced race whose powers and insight are greater than our own.
 
After all, there are those who believe that civilization is created by and can only be maintained by an established elite. Would we want to meddle with that, and allow positions of power to be overrun by inferior men?
 
Perhaps it is worth considering whether an elite can truly be made by enhancing human faculties, or whether such powers are purely in the blood.
 

[Chester]

what's up w/this dragon thing anyway? -- i've never seen a dragon -- & i'm 'gifted' & tend to see these things if they exist -- have any of you dragon afficianados ever seen one? or is it some image, some gestalt of meaning & feeling that just kind of grabbed you?
[/B]

In the summer of 1986 I had reached a very psychotic state.

I walked in to the golf shop at the country club I often golfed at. When I entered, I saw three of the older ladies who worked in the shop - just me and those three ladies. When I looked them in the eye, their eyes had the form called "vertical eyes." I interpret that NOT that they shape shifted. Instead I believe that due to my state, I was able to see this level of being that I conclude may be within many of us if not all here on earth. True story and the only time I ever saw anything reptilian.

[Chester]

Justoneman,

I hope this goes some way to answer your question about the Nag Hammadi Gospels.

As already discussed here, in the ancient world, the serpent represented wisdom, and all references to its latter Greek manifestation as the goddess of wisdom, Sophia, have been changed in the Bible from Sophia to 'wisdom'..

The Book of Wisdom, for instance, was originally the Book of Sophia, and it describes how she was the equal counterpart and consort of God before Judaeo-Christianity decided to downplay the sacred role of the female.

GRS Mead, in his Introduction to the Gnostic Nag Hammadi gospel, Pistis Sophia, discusses here the origins of Gnosticism and thus Christianity (which he believes stems from it) as a development of Ophitism, which is the polite word for the Serpent Cult.


The question of the sect or even grouping to which the Pistis Sophia literature should be assigned is still more difficult. To call it "Ophiticâ" is nebulous at best. Ophitism in Gnosticism is ill-defined if not chaotic, owing to the confusing indications of the Church Fathers. They called Ophitic or classed as Ophitic very different sects who never used the name for themselves.

It ought to mean people either who worshipped the serpent or in whose symbolism or mythology serpent played the most characteristic or dominant role. But most of what we are told of the views and doctrines of circles directly referred to under the opprobrious designation (as it is clearly intended to be by the heresiologists) and of those brought into close connection with them, has not the slightest reference to what by hypothesis should have been their chief cult symbol.

Sed et serpens is conspicuous by its absence. All that we can legitimately say is that along this confused line of heredity, we have to push back our researches in any endeavour to discover the earliest developments of Gnosticism in Christian circles. These took place unquestionably from a Syrian ground and doubtless had already a long heredity behind them, former phases of syncretism, blendings of Babylonian, Persian, Semitic and other elements.

The "Ophitic" elements in Pistis Sophia are of Syrian origin, but developed on Egyptian soil. If there is also a slight Hellenizing tingeing, it is not of a philosophising nature.

Of course, Mead was writing in 1921, and archaeology has brought a lot to light since. In addition, much of the serpent nature of the teachings would be hidden - the hidden wisdom. So perhaps Mead didn't notice that the OPH of Ophism is hidden in her name, Sophia. On top of that, one of the epithets for Jesus in Pistis Sophia is Abramentho - ABR is a another root word for 'serpent' and ABRAM means king of serpents.

So it looks to me that both early Judaism and early Gnostic Christianity might be a cleaned up version of the Serpent Cult, from which the Dragon Orders came.

Read more here: The Serpent Cult (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?13-The-Serpent-Cult)

OK, and with all the above in mind, it would not at all be a far leap to conclude that the Serpent Cult morphed into Christianity (and other major religions as well). Interesting, especially considering the jesus guy was a trained Egyption mystery school initiate according to some sources - Thanks Ishtar

[Chester]

But the Aryan overlords who ruled over mankind in ancient days had a simpler way of acquiring this fluid. Their ancestor-gods, the Anunnaki, had endocrine systems that produced large amounts of this and other beneficial substances, so they drank it straight from the source: the menstrual blood and vaginal fluids of the goddesses themselves.

This Star-Fire ceremony was used in the Babylon Working by the way

[Beren]

But the Aryan overlords who ruled over mankind in ancient days had a simpler way of acquiring this fluid. Their ancestor-gods, the Anunnaki, had endocrine systems that produced large amounts of this and other beneficial substances, so they drank it straight from the source: the menstrual blood and vaginal fluids of the goddesses themselves. This Star-Fire ceremony was used in the Babylon Working by the way


Let`s stop using the terms overlords, rulers and masters of humanity.
Let`s stop buying ancient ,should I call it, bulls**t.

They are NOT Dragons.
They are NOT Annunaki -whatever someone thinks of them.
They are NOT lizard men or reptilians (though appears like that)


They are souls and spirits of huge power who long ago forgotten that they came from the same source as we all did.
They are the ones who bought the fear mode of existence and they are leeches of other spiritual energy in order to survive in the present state of theirs.
Without this leeching they wouldn`t.
Without leeching they would burn off their final reservoirs of fear energy thus finally being able to cast old gruesome masks they wear.
Without leeching they would return eventually to whom they were - God`s perfect souls.

Stop the leeching!

Give not your precious spirit energy to spirits who waste it on fear mode existence and gruesome life forms that they became.
Help them return to Creator and be free of fear by CUTTING them off of leeching and fear mode.

Do not fear any of the things they are serving you.

There is no weapon or entity in the existence in Universe in all levels and dimensions which is above the Creator and Love.
SO stand your ground and BE Love and NEVER EVER buy the fear game from them.

Yeah they will exterminate us , other systems in Universe???
Whom you`re going exterminate?

Whom do you threaten with fires below? Whom do you dare to speak about becoming Dragon kind or reptilian kind?
Who do you think you are?

I will not give you a speck of my energy to continue your gruesome existence as spiritual monsters you became.
As faster you die off in this gruesome form ,faster you will return into your real state of being- a loving souls and spirits of God.

You all are my brothers and sisters no matter how gruesome and bloody you became in all existence. No matter how big are the crimes you did thorough out eternity. YOU STILL are my brothers and sisters in your core.

But because I love your core , because I see Creator`s energy deeply buried in you , that`s why I will not give you energy to leech and to continue be monster in spirit and physical.

I will stand against your current level of fear mode and conscience in order to cut you off from your junkie status and heal you.
I am taking my power which is my God given right and spiritual sword and armor to cut you off from fear so you may die in your monster form in spirit word and all other worlds and thus be reborn as loving souls as you in your core are.

[sdv]

In the summer of 1986 I had reached a very psychotic state.

I walked in to the golf shop at the country club I often golfed at. When I entered, I saw three of the older ladies who worked in the shop - just me and those three ladies. When I looked them in the eye, their eyes had the form called "vertical eyes." I interpret that NOT that they shape shifted. Instead I believe that due to my state, I was able to see this level of being that I conclude may be within many of us if not all here on earth. True story and the only time I ever saw anything reptilian.

I also had an experience of seeing a reptilian (won't give the details here), and the understanding I found was very similar to yours - these are not 'others' or 'shape shifters' and so on. Somewhere in the history of all human beings there is something reptilian and in certain states we can somehow see this in some form.

[wynderer]

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Let`s stop using the terms overlords, rulers and masters of humanity.
Let`s stop buying ancient ,should I call it, bulls**t.
They are NOT Dragons.
They are NOT Annunaki -whatever someone thinks of them.
They are NOT lizard men or reptilians (though appears like that)


They are souls and spirits of huge power who long ago forgotten that they came from the same source as we all did.
They are the ones who bought the fear mode of existence and they are leeches of other spiritual energy in order to survive in the present state of theirs.
Without this leeching they wouldn`t.
Without leeching they would burn off their final reservoirs of fear energy thus finally being able to cast old gruesome masks they wear.
Without leeching they would return eventually to whom they were - God`s perfect souls.

Stop the leeching!

Give not your precious spirit energy to spirits who waste it on fear mode existence and gruesome life forms that they became.
Help them return to Creator and be free of fear by CUTTING them off of leeching and fear mode.

Do not fear any of the things they are serving you.

There is no weapon or entity in the existence in Universe in all levels and dimensions which is above the Creator and Love.
SO stand your ground and BE Love and NEVER EVER buy the fear game from them.

Yeah they will exterminate us , other systems in Universe???
Whom you`re going exterminate?

Whom do you threaten with fires below? Whom do you dare to speak about becoming Dragon kind or reptilian kind?
Who do you think you are?

I will not give you a speck of my energy to continue your gruesome existence as spiritual monsters you became.
As faster you die off in this gruesome form ,faster you will return into your real state of being- a loving souls and spirits of God.

You all are my brothers and sisters no matter how gruesome and bloody you became in all existence. No matter how big are the crimes you did thorough out eternity. YOU STILL are my brothers and sisters in your core.

But because I love your core , because I see Creator`s energy deeply buried in you , that`s why I will not give you energy to leech and to continue be monster in spirit and physical.

I will stand against your current level of fear mode and conscience in order to cut you off from your junkie status and heal you.
I am taking my power which is my God given right and spiritual sword and armor to cut you off from fear so you may die in your monster form in spirit word and all other worlds and thus be reborn as loving souls as you in your core are.

bumping this because it's true, & because Beren brings his words from a high source

Yes -- the brainwashing really began w/using the word 'gods' in some of the first books that came out --'Chariots of the Gods,' etc

i am still not clear myself on the connection/relation between the demon i once saw, & what i call an imp -- they both clearly were/came from Evil -- the connection between evil & what i perceive to be beings separate from them -- the Reptilians & Greys

just my p.o.v., but i think that perhaps w/the Reptilians, Greys, etc -- that it's like w/Humans -- given the gift of free will as the Creator gives all His Children -- & the Reptilians began making choices long, long ago -- choices going against the Father's will for Love, Compassion, Joy, Truth, & all those other good things

& once one starts down the darkside path -- it picks up momentum fast & is hard to get free of

[Jeffrey]

Let`s stop using the terms overlords, rulers and masters of humanity.
Let`s stop buying ancient ,should I call it, bulls**t.

They are NOT Dragons.
They are NOT Annunaki -whatever someone thinks of them.
They are NOT lizard men or reptilians (though appears like that)


They are souls and spirits of huge power who long ago forgotten that they came from the same source as we all did.
They are the ones who bought the fear mode of existence and they are leeches of other spiritual energy in order to survive in the present state of theirs.
Without this leeching they wouldn`t.
Without leeching they would burn off their final reservoirs of fear energy thus finally being able to cast old gruesome masks they wear.
Without leeching they would return eventually to whom they were - God`s perfect souls.

Stop the leeching!

Give not your precious spirit energy to spirits who waste it on fear mode existence and gruesome life forms that they became.
Help them return to Creator and be free of fear by CUTTING them off of leeching and fear mode.

Do not fear any of the things they are serving you.

There is no weapon or entity in the existence in Universe in all levels and dimensions which is above the Creator and Love.
SO stand your ground and BE Love and NEVER EVER buy the fear game from them.

Yeah they will exterminate us , other systems in Universe???
Whom you`re going exterminate?

Whom do you threaten with fires below? Whom do you dare to speak about becoming Dragon kind or reptilian kind?
Who do you think you are?

I will not give you a speck of my energy to continue your gruesome existence as spiritual monsters you became.
As faster you die off in this gruesome form ,faster you will return into your real state of being- a loving souls and spirits of God.

You all are my brothers and sisters no matter how gruesome and bloody you became in all existence. No matter how big are the crimes you did thorough out eternity. YOU STILL are my brothers and sisters in your core.

But because I love your core , because I see Creator`s energy deeply buried in you , that`s why I will not give you energy to leech and to continue be monster in spirit and physical.

I will stand against your current level of fear mode and conscience in order to cut you off from your junkie status and heal you.
I am taking my power which is my God given right and spiritual sword and armor to cut you off from fear so you may die in your monster form in spirit word and all other worlds and thus be reborn as loving souls as you in your core are.

Hi Beren! Thanks for your post, I agree with you sir.

I am speaking for myself here - I am not buying into anything. This discussion is about putting the pieces together and attempting to make sense of it within the context of what we are talking about.

I'm sure the majority of references to gods and overlords can be put into quotations. Like "gods" - I don't think anybody is giving the term the creedence that comes with the GOD who is second to none.

Although I do see your point and perspective allow me to bring another to the table. It's called the Celestial Error.


These gnostic teachings say that this entire creation is a Virtual Reality (that some call the Matrix, or the Game) created by a fallen being called the Demiurge, who refused correction so he could be embraced by the 'true light creation' again (the 'real Tao' in SSOA). This Demiurge had to trap True Light beings who have a source connection, to fuel his virtual creation. To trap the consciousness of these light beings he created 'sacred' geometric forms. Plato was a true light being who studied our energetic (electrical, magnetic and electromagnetic) prison walls; the Platonic solids were information on how we are forced to remain trapped in time and space. Dark beings twisted his teachings and now suggest that these geometric forms underlying this Virtual Reality are 'sacred'! So we are taught to worship our own prison.

The gnostics also say that there are three types of consciousness. First, there is the consciousness of the true light beings trapped here and held hostage; second there is artificial consciousness created by the Demiurge to keep lightbeings trapped and diverted ('mechanized' consciousness in SSOA); and third, there is the False Light that absolutely refuses to be corrected. During the past year I began to call this false light consciousness "Pirate consciousness". A pirate will tap into any energy source and claim it as his own. He will never wonder if he is perhaps living at the expense of others, for he has never experienced anything else. You cannot teach a mosquito to stop sucking blood and become harmless.

This is a fundamental difference between the gnostic teachings and New Age teachings: Gnostics say that Evil was created by accident - they call it the Celestial Error, and this evil refuses correction and does not remember another state of being. The New Age teachings say that all consciousnesses in existence stem from the same One Source, Light, All that is, God, whatever you call it. That makes evil 'forgetful', 'fallen', 'arrogant', but not beyond correction. This makes lightbeings eternally hope that their fellow human beings with demonic consciousness will evolve, improve, learn, change etc. The programming 'you will reap what you sow' helps you endure your hardships and suffering, for you trust that all will turn out fine in the end. 70% of the people on earth have artificial consciousness running their lives. They are all 'well meaning people', but unconscious servants of the Dark.

More can be read here: http://dhost.info/waterput/spangenberg/celestial-error.htm

There is a whole slew of information and discussion that could come from that last paragraph alone - a whole new thread in itself.

The process of understanding the themes in this thread goes from passive to rightfully engaging considering the proposals set forth in the Celestial Error. Writing it off would be worse than passively accepting the information through a filter of spiritual idealism.

[Ishtar]

I just been reading The Hypostasis of the Archons (The Reality of the Rulers) and it seems to draw heavily on another Gnostic text, Pistis Sophia, which I read a long time ago, before I knew anything about the Kabbalah.

I've been studying the Kabbalah for the last few years, and I'm still very much a beginner. But in reading the Hypostasis of the Archons, through the story I could make out the bare bones of early Kabbalistic teachings. So I did a Google around and found that there are several Gnostic sites with teachings also based on that conclusion, that early Gnostic Christian texts are teaching the Christian version of the Kabbalah in allegory.

This shouldn't come as any surprise to me because the Gnostic Christians were, essentially, Jews who were already steeped in the teachings of the Kabbalah. Plus I've always understood that most of the Gnostics regarded the Jesus story as allegorical rather than literal. This is why they were persecuted into extinction by those who wanted us to believe that Jesus Christ actually lived in person, otherwise known as 'literalists' because they take metaphorical stories contained in the ancient texts literally. So for the "Holy Roman Empire" to convince the masses that an actual, living Son of God died and rose again for their sins, those who understood these stories differently had to be wiped out, in one way or another.

The Gnostics, on the run, buried some of their texts at a place in the Egyptian desert called Nag Hammadi, and it was only in the last century that these texts were found. Among them, was The Hypostasis of the Archons.

It's quite ironic that the HofA, which in my view was intended to be a metaphorical teaching story, with fictional characters, has produced so much tragic misunderstanding... a tragic misunderstanding which is based on reading mythology literally, as history, as we've been taught to do for the last 1600 years, since the rule of the Roman Emperor Constantine.

I always say that if the purpose of mythology was to record history, it would contain dates. But there is not a single one.

A comparison might be if suddenly, someone decided to impose a religion on us, by force, in which Harry Potter was actually a Messiah sent by God, with the Death Eaters in the role of the Archons. It's frustrating to mythologists to see this force of ignorance in action, because so many have died through literalist religions fighting other literalist religions, each one insisisting that they are right and have "God on their side". On the other hand, those who understand that the teachings are metaphorical accounts which had the aim of supporting a more subjective inner spiritual journey of the individual are more inclined to accept the diversity of others' experiences.

That is probably why so many different and differing tales about the life of Jesus were found at Nag Hammadi, and also why that the only four which were accepted by Bishop Iranaeus for the canon ~ Matthew, Mark, Luke and John ~ don't even agree in all details. I often wonder if Irananeus selected those four because they largely agree, but only largely. As eye witness accounts which are meant to confirm one another, they would never stand up in a court of law. They were never intended to, in my opinion, because they are allegorical stories from the earliest Christians intended to support the discovery of the Christ Consciousness which is within each and every individual. And when you examine the trove of non-canonical gospels from Nag Hammadi, this becomes even clearer.

On the Kabbalah, the Christ Consciousness is represented by the realm of Tipareth. The initiate works his or her way up the paths of the Kabbalah, going ever upwards towards the realm of Kether, which is the Ultimate Godhead. On the way to the realm of Kether, the initiate has to go through the realm of Tipareth, which is also known as the Son or the Christ Consciousness. You cannot bypass it and go another way to Kether, the Father. Not according to this teaching, anyway. So I think that's what was meant by having Jesus say: "No-one comes to the Father except through me."

Jesus also says: "The Kingdom of Heaven is within," in other words, an inner spiritual journey.

There's a lot to this ... and I've barely scratched the surface here of why I think the HofA is an allegorical teaching for the Kabbalah, but I'm working up a post on it which I'll do later.

[OnyxKnight]

Wow, we are turning this into a christian workshop now?

[Unified Serenity]

No, that would be "anti-christian" workshop. We know Jesus message of Love God and Love your neighbor is the bane of the existence of man.

[OnyxKnight]

No, that would be "anti-christian" workshop. We know Jesus message of Love God and Love your neighbor is the bane of the existence of man.

My point was, take a look at the thread title, and the last several posts.

They could have very well be placed on some topic in the spirituality sub-forum.

[Unified Serenity]

Oh, I agree with you on that Onyx, but I have noticed that some take every opportunity to trash Christianity no matter the subject at hand.

[Wiremu2011]

Uncool vibe. Got the Charles thing all over it. Won't be wasting any further time or energy here. Gone!!!

[Ishtar]

No, that would be "anti-christian" workshop. We know Jesus message of Love God and Love your neighbor is the bane of the existence of man.

My point was, take a look at the thread title, and the last several posts.

They could have very well be placed on some topic in the spirituality sub-forum.

Apologies if I'm in the wrong place, and hopefully the mods can move it for us.

My thinking was to get to the root of the Archons, as that subject had come up, so that we could see where the idea about the Archons comes from. The first mention in ancient mythology of the Archons is in a Gnostic Christian text called The Hypostasis of the Archons (The Reality of the Rulers). So in talking about the Archons, one is already into Christianity.

It was also to make the point that the Gnostics were persecuted because of their understanding of the Christ Consciousness separate to a living and breathing historical Jesus Christ. The Gnostic Christian texts are known to be metaphorical and not historical. Therefore, one cannot prove or even claim that the Archons are real and exist, based on texts that were never meant to be taken literally.


Unified Serenity ~ as I understand the pathworking of the Kabbalah, it is all about, at the end of the day, the Unconditional Love of the Father and the Son for us, and about learning to be a tiny spark of that Love. It is not in contradiction, in other words, to the orthodox Christian teachings about the message of Jesus.

[OnyxKnight]

Then I should be the one to apologize, I didn't see the connection among the posts.

But Let's get back to Drake and the LOOTD, shall we?

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Oh, I agree with you on that Onyx, but I have noticed that some take every opportunity to trash Christianity no matter the subject at hand.

I have my own views on Christianity (every religion really), and they are not very good, but they have nothing to do with the people per say, more about the abuse of the religious concept to affect the masses.

I don't think of it as bashing, although some might disagree.

But I think I understand. There are topics that are as sensitive to me as Christianity is to you.

[wynderer]

from Vivek's post # 223:

These gnostic teachings say that this entire creation is a Virtual Reality (that some call the Matrix, or the Game) created by a fallen being called the Demiurge, who refused correction so he could be embraced by the 'true light creation' again (the 'real Tao' in SSOA). This Demiurge had to trap True Light beings who have a source connection, to fuel his virtual creation. To trap the consciousness of these light beings he created 'sacred' geometric forms. Plato was a true light being who studied our energetic (electrical, magnetic and electromagnetic) prison walls; the Platonic solids were information on how we are forced to remain trapped in time and space. Dark beings twisted his teachings and now suggest that these geometric forms underlying this Virtual Reality are 'sacred'! So we are taught to worship our own prison'

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Hi Vivek -- imo, the Matrix is only here on Earth [& now the Moon & Mars] -- Houman posted something about the Matrix-makers having an Empire extending thru some of our galaxy -- so that would mean that the Matrix is in place there also

but --imo -- this is another lie -- that this whole Universe was created by the demi-urge -- akin to all the ETs telling gullible humans that the ETs created them -- they can spread this lie because Humans are deliberately kept ignorant about all the other dimensions & forms of conscious life in our Universe

i've looked into Gnosticism -- seems kind of weird to me -- w/ almost all the Human systems of religious/spiritual thought/belief -- i have lost interest in them -- they are all so species-centered -- not saying that Humans haven't done the best they could w/the limited knowledge available to you

[Chester]

Hi All – 9eagle9 made a post in another thread which prompted me to explain the history of earth as has been taught by some associates of mine.

“An actual dragon is race of people the current monarchies have tried very hard to obliterate, there are some few carrying the blood of the dragons, and the monarchies are scared ****less of them because they aren't very condition able. And one day they may decide to take a hair up their ass and take their custodianshp back. The monoarchy doesn't want custodian ship (care-taking) it wants dominion (another sort of archon).”

“Traditionally they were custodians , there are some few left of Native American extraction and of Irish extraction (which is why the monarchies tried so hard to obliterate those people, gawd knows there was a dragon lurking in there someplace). Other cultures too, the pre-eminence of the orginal dragon is renown around the world and more than likely snatched up and perverted as a symbol for usurping feudal monarchies.”

The possible, more truthful history of earth

Assuming that the ancient true history of earth that has been shared with me is more or less truthful (and which my internal sensors say – “Yes, there is greater truth to this recounting than all the other histories of earth I have ever encountered”), indigenous humans (IH) were visited by a more evolved race of beings from another planet long ago. These off world beings (OWB1) had enhanced capabilities such as all the psi abilities, etc and thus through breeding, shared their DNA with some of the earth indigenous beings (IH) and created a hybrid earth being race (HEB1).

It has been said that the intention of the OWB1 was to share the blood freely as to accelerate the capabilities of the IH so that the newly created race of beings would be able to advance in their technology such that they would be able to eventually leave earth if the survival of the race required that action. Note, I state technology, but the primary gift given to the IH was knowledge that simply included technology. Within knowledge and indeed the central component to having any of the components of knowledge was/is wisdom.

Whatever one does, if their actions are based upon a foundation of wisdom, their actions will always be the best choices, which can include taking no action at all. So to restate, advanced knowledge was given to the IH by the OWB1 and central core of that gift was wisdom, the wisdom to know what to do with whatever else comes forth from this knowledge. The OWB1 were beings that had seen civilizations rise up to certain stages of development only to be consumed by natural causes which could be avoided by having the capability to leave their planets. Their motivations were entirely benevolent and their primary mission was to ensure the continuation of the impossible to reproduce, natural innocence of IHs wherever they arise in the universe.

The OBW1 revered the IH because all IH beings have a purity of innocence that cannot be artificially created - it can only come from nature herself, through natural evolution. In fact, the innocent human was considered by the OWB1 to be true royalty as innocence could not be created via DNA technology, it could only occur naturally. The OWB1 were loving beings who, through loving action, assisted the continuation of the pure blood of innocence to ensure its survival, just like some of us on earth try and save species from becoming extinct.

Though the intention was to share the blood, the earliest children of the IH/OWB1 hybrids – the HEB1 original hybrids would interbreed to retain higher proportions of the OWB1 blood (DNA) and these children were the original priest/queen/kings (HEB1PK), but do not take that to mean they sat on thrones nor lived lives of luxury disproportionate to the rest or anything like that. In fact, these original priest/queen/kings were born to be 100% responsible for the rest of the HEB1s as well as all life on the planet that included the IH that had not yet received any OWB1 blood, meaning those that had not yet been interbred with. Their sense of responsibility was innate. To give was the greatest experience one could have thus they had no desires but to be of service – this is natural incorruptibility.

The original priest/queen/kings (HEB1PKs) were loving beings that shared their gifts, specifically their wisdom with their HEB1s and the HEB1s appreciated these gifts and protected the lineages that retained the higher proportions of OWB1 blood. This is why we have the sacred bloodlines – the Grail Bloodlines. Those born to be the priest/queen/kings served their society throughout their lives. They were incorruptible as they saw their existence as nothing less than a sacred mission. They never abused their position because what could be more fulfilling anyways than to share your love and wisdom with those who returned their love in appreciation.

Now this is where it gets tricky. Some suggest that a different race of off world beings (OWB2) later came to earth and interbred with the hybrid earth beings (HEB1) to create a new race – hybrid earth being 2 (HEB2). These later off world beings had a different view of humanity – they viewed that humanity on earth was an inferior being that only had value as a servant race to their superior race. These OWB2s also had special capabilities, psi abilities, etc. Thus they also interbred their first offspring (HEB2PK) to retain as much of their blood (DNA) and these became a ruling class along the lines you see here on earth today.

This writer has decided to look at the world under the assumption that the above stated history is true. When this writer examined the world today, it began to make sense that we have two competing races amongst the rest of the human race that have enhanced capabilities due to the higher percentage of OWB blood. I do not know if OWB1 and OWB2 have any blood relationship but perhaps they do. We had the oligarchs and we have a grail bloodline and we have the rest of us who have varying degrees of these two off world blood lines. It is possible there still exists some IHs that have no off world blood but I have no conclusion in that regard.

When we examine stories of the past such as the Anu / Enlil /Enki metaphor, this suggests the story above may be what the Summarian story is based upon. In this metaphor, you have Enki as the OBW1 and Enlil as the OBW2. Some contend that there have been efforts by the OBW2s to twist the truthful history to make the OBW1s look like bad guys (the spawn of an evil satan for example). Religions are filled with these twists and it is no wonder the masses are so confused.
At this time, the current ruling classes on earth are OBW2s, the children of Enlil and the children of Enki are the OBW1s who are guarded and used by ruling class OBW2 but are kept away from having any power. I doubt there are any free Grail Bloodline OBW1s remaining on earth. It appears to be all locked down.

This is why we have all these secret societies which most are filled with OBW2 ancestry and why we also have some secret societies which contain OBW1 ancestry. And clearly there is a major mixing in most of these secret societies but the OBW2s always try and manage these societies. Most OBW1s end up being unaffiliated with any of these societies. Sometimes a brave OBW1 will try and create their own society and filter out OBW2s as best they can, but that usually results in fairly closed societies.

Having said that, there are perhaps only a handful of dragon societies that anyone can freely join but they do exist. The few I know of have no one in membership that has any earthly power – meaning that contain members that are in positions on earth where they could take actions that could have any real world changing effect. Perhaps in Asia this exists and folks like Ben Fulford suggest this is the case. I will believe that when I actually see the world change for the better.

The OBW1s are intentionally isolated and sadly they are the benevolent OBWs. The OBW2s are the current rulers of earth and if we judge the state of affairs on earth today, we can conclude the intentions of the OBW2 are perhaps not so benevolent.

I will add one thought - that the IH humans of Earth were possibly, originally an off world race. No one has told me that, but I have my suspicions. It is possible that within humanity here on earth are remnants of the original galactic or even universal human race prior to “the fall” which, based on how I interpret the cosmological metaphors from the Nag Hammadi suggests a state of original innocence that later was invaded by a race of beings perhaps from another universe.

I will also add that the history I covered above may be quite simplified and that there may have been many inter-breedings with off world beings in our actual history.

[derek]

Thanks for the post.

[derek]

I'm a math graduate. This is 100% nonsense.

He is using occult gematria and numerology. Not conventional mathematics. You of all people should be thinking outside of the conventional university paradigm Bill. There are people who look at some of the suppressed physics and say "I have a PHD in physics, this is all nonsense".

[Chester]

I just been reading The Hypostasis of the Archons (The Reality of the Rulers) and it seems to draw heavily on another Gnostic text, Pistis Sophia, which I read a long time ago, before I knew anything about the Kabbalah.

I've been studying the Kabbalah for the last few years, and I'm still very much a beginner. But in reading the Hypostasis of the Archons, through the story I could make out the bare bones of early Kabbalistic teachings. So I did a Google around and found that there are several Gnostic sites with teachings also based on that conclusion, that early Gnostic Christian texts are teaching the Christian version of the Kabbalah in allegory.

This shouldn't come as any surprise to me because the Gnostic Christians were, essentially, Jews who were already steeped in the teachings of the Kabbalah. Plus I've always understood that most of the Gnostics regarded the Jesus story as allegorical rather than literal. This is why they were persecuted into extinction by those who wanted us to believe that Jesus Christ actually lived in person, otherwise known as 'literalists' because they take metaphorical stories contained in the ancient texts literally. So for the "Holy Roman Empire" to convince the masses that an actual, living Son of God died and rose again for their sins, those who understood these stories differently had to be wiped out, in one way or another.

The Gnostics, on the run, buried some of their texts at a place in the Egyptian desert called Nag Hammadi, and it was only in the last century that these texts were found. Among them, was The Hypostasis of the Archons.

It's quite ironic that the HofA, which in my view was intended to be a metaphorical teaching story, with fictional characters, has produced so much tragic misunderstanding... a tragic misunderstanding which is based on reading mythology literally, as history, as we've been taught to do for the last 1600 years, since the rule of the Roman Emperor Constantine.

I always say that if the purpose of mythology was to record history, it would contain dates. But there is not a single one.

A comparison might be if suddenly, someone decided to impose a religion on us, by force, in which Harry Potter was actually a Messiah sent by God, with the Death Eaters in the role of the Archons. It's frustrating to mythologists to see this force of ignorance in action, because so many have died through literalist religions fighting other literalist religions, each one insisisting that they are right and have "God on their side". On the other hand, those who understand that the teachings are metaphorical accounts which had the aim of supporting a more subjective inner spiritual journey of the individual are more inclined to accept the diversity of others' experiences.

That is probably why so many different and differing tales about the life of Jesus were found at Nag Hammadi, and also why that the only four which were accepted by Bishop Iranaeus for the canon ~ Matthew, Mark, Luke and John ~ don't even agree in all details. I often wonder if Irananeus selected those four because they largely agree, but only largely. As eye witness accounts which are meant to confirm one another, they would never stand up in a court of law. They were never intended to, in my opinion, because they are allegorical stories from the earliest Christians intended to support the discovery of the Christ Consciousness which is within each and every individual. And when you examine the trove of non-canonical gospels from Nag Hammadi, this becomes even clearer.

On the Kabbalah, the Christ Consciousness is represented by the realm of Tipareth. The initiate works his or her way up the paths of the Kabbalah, going ever upwards towards the realm of Kether, which is the Ultimate Godhead. On the way to the realm of Kether, the initiate has to go through the realm of Tipareth, which is also known as the Son or the Christ Consciousness. You cannot bypass it and go another way to Kether, the Father. Not according to this teaching, anyway. So I think that's what was meant by having Jesus say: "No-one comes to the Father except through me."

Jesus also says: "The Kingdom of Heaven is within," in other words, an inner spiritual journey.

There's a lot to this ... and I've barely scratched the surface here of why I think the HofA is an allegorical teaching for the Kabbalah, but I'm working up a post on it which I'll do later.

Is it possible a man lived upon which all the BS about him was later infused within some of the truth? That a Jesus lived but that all the literal resurrection stuff was part of the BS? But that the actual Jesus was from the ancient bloodlines prior to the imposition of the imposter bloodlines? And that he and "Mary" had a baby (or perhaps more) and that bloodline still exists today? Some believe this as has been discussed in other places on this forum. I certainly am open minded...

[Astraea]

Interesting....

This rainbow sword - made of light?

I am not sure I follow (and have not read all of the information regarding Drake, etc...)


The sword in question...

The one that is shown in my profile picture, that a friend took of me earlier this year (there are many more pictures as well)...

This is something I have been curious about....

¤=[Post Update]=¤

if anyone is interested, I can upload some more of these photographs and post them here?

thank you.

[Astraea]

https://picasaweb.google.com/pmobius/Light

[Astraea]

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here is a detail from another photo

[Jeffrey]

Interesting....

This rainbow sword - made of light?

I am not sure I follow (and have not read all of the information regarding Drake, etc...)


The sword in question...

The one that is shown in my profile picture, that a friend took of me earlier this year (there are many more pictures as well)...

This is something I have been curious about....

¤=[Post Update]=¤

if anyone is interested, I can upload some more of these photographs and post them here?

thank you.

I personally think it is some kind of "astral weapon" used to fend off the "theives of light". It may be something constructed in the astral for a specific purpose and donned by some kind of shamanic ritual. I'm sure a lot of preparation and responsibility comes with it. That would make sense to me considering what I've read. Still just speculating though.

[Astraea]

Thank you Vivek,


This just appeared, and I feel that it is in part from the Sun, this was the first of a series of different 'structures' of light (?) that began to appear when I take photos of the Sun... it should be noted that I am very connected to the Living Light, in particular the Sun.

Last year, I took this picture, which did not start out as you see here, it changed after I viewed it a few times...

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(I am not sure that this is on-topic now?)

[Jeffrey]

Caladbolg = Sword of Rainbows


Caladbolg

Caladbolg ("hard cleft", cognate with Welsh Caledvwlch; the name appears in the plural as a generic word for "great swords" in the 10th century Irish translation of the classical tale The Destruction of Troy, Togail Troi [1][2]), sometimes written Caladcholg ("hard blade"), is the sword of Fergus mac Róich from the Ulster Cycle of Irish mythology. Spelled Caladcholg, it is also associated with the more obscure Ulster hero Fergus mac Leda, suggesting a conflation of two legends. It was said to be a two-handed sword that made a circle like an arc of rainbow when swung, and to have the power to slice the tops off hills and slaughter an entire host. During the Táin Bó Cuailnge, Ailill mac Máta takes Caladbolg away from Fergus mac Róich when he discovers Fergus' affair with his wife Medb. He gives it back when the Ulstermen rally against his armies. Fergus wreaks havoc against Ulster's forces with his blade, but Conall Cernach convinces him not to kill Conchobar mac Nessa. Fergus strikes the Three Great Strokes on three small hills instead, blasting off their tops.

Source: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caladbolg#_

[Astraea]

Here is a photo only a few weeks ago... here there is a shape that I have started to see quite a bit...both the the way that the Sun appears, and the shape that is shown in the foreground...



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[Astraea]

Looking over the Drake material and some of the associated material on this site...

My take is that Drake claims that there he is/there is a group of people that are working against the so-called "Illuminati" and that this is false - for quite a few reasons. Namely, my personal experience with the so-called "Illuminati" - and when I say personal, I mean that I am the number one target of this group.

The reasons for this are simple - I am a supernatural being, incarnated in human form.

There are no other beings like myself.

What this means, again is simple.

In the recent past, I came under direct attack - at that time, I thought this attack was from a celestial origin, but as time progress and my supernatural powers began to dramatically and exponentially increase - I came to know, who and what I am, and why I was being attacked and furthermore, what the reasons for this might be.

Now - this part of the story is not so simple, because, as I was to find out later - the military and other government agencies were involved and the targets now included some who were very close to me.

I won't tell the whole story, suffice to say...

I enjoyed my visit here, and I hope that those here, who know the rest of the story; like the parts that include, torture, emotional and psychological manipulations, murder, and more (and more) ...and no, I am not specifically accusing anyone here, any member, or those that operate this forum...

This is a battle that is currently being lost by this so-called "illuminati" and I have yet to find a single human being who has chosen to work with me and against them, or that can, as the technology that is used, is very advanced, and seemingly, very effective.

Furthermore; there are no aliens, there is no anti-illuminati group, there is no conspiracy other that the conspiracy IS the conspiracy.

I apologize if I seem extremely paranoid, but that is what I must do, to protect myself, and those around me (as much as I can) until this is over.

Suffice to say - things are not what they seem - here, or there, or anywhere...

At all.


(A little research into the moniker "Astraea" one will find that this originates from the constellation Virgo, and the Star Spica...from there... the rabbit hole continues until one might find oneself faced with - the infinite?)

[Chester]

Here is a photo only a few weeks ago... here there is a shape that I have started to see quite a bit...both the the way that the Sun appears, and the shape that is shown in the foreground...

Fantastic photo - thanks for sharing it

[Unified Serenity]

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here is a detail from another photo

Cool pic, it reminds me of the rainbow cast from the prism from a binocular that my dad used to have. It made that same rainbow effect when the sun would shine through it.

[sygh]

Here is a photo only a few weeks ago... here there is a shape that I have started to see quite a bit...both the the way that the Sun appears, and the shape that is shown in the foreground...



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Well, you can't see the picture here but if you could...
Interestingly enough, and I know this is off topic, just looking at the light spectrum in this picture sends me into a different state of consciousness. Having said that, the curvature of the earth, along with the the atmosphere, plus the trees in the background are all analog wave lengths, while the camera you are using is digital. Not that this doesn't have merit.

Though you might be talking about something completely different... IMHO, this pic represents the type of electromagnetic wavelength changes every living thing on earth will experience on any given day... to include the electromagnetic changes we experience at night. Expansions, contractions, exaserbations... riding the wave, fighting against the wave, etc... Really anything one can imagine as having seen on a linear oscilloscope, only 3d, and beyond.

[ThePythonicCow]

P.S. added May 7, 2012 by Paul:

The observant reader will notice that I have just added a Post Scriptum to the opening post of this thread, providing a transcript of some remarks that Drake made, correcting some claims made about him in that post.

[wynderer]

this OR thanks you for the PS -- the Drake frenzy seems to be about money -- money is just another symbol used to control the minds of the masses



P.S. added May 7, 2012 by Paul:

The observant reader will notice that I have just added a Post Scriptum to the opening post of this thread, providing a transcript of some remarks that Drake made, correcting some claims made about him in that post.

[mountain_jim]

I just want to thank Vivek again for the great research in this thread, that added so much to our understanding of Drake's background, and provoked him out of his 'lair', :)
and raised a valid issue or 2 (well-argued by Ishtar imho) concerning his truthfullness in answers in early interviews.

Oh yes - Hi Drake! - threatening to sue over such (apparently) minor discrepancies in research really helps your cause (our cause?) and credibility, eh? (edit: sarcastic comment removed)

Here's hoping you get your account here and can clarify these issues in person.

I stayed out of the middle of all this and have kept an open mind - but Drake's latest actions related to this thread just moved me well over in the Bill's camp concerning the significance of this particular source for info pertaining to the changes to come.

Does that make me a troll and disinfo agent also?

even later edit: without actually listening, I admit, I read the transcript and thought I had the gist of the threats. After reading the following from billyji, maybe I was wrong about this thread being the problem?

In any case, threatening legal action on forums of the awake and aware ( to a greater degree than most) does not seem to be helpful to the cause.



Hi guys i have been away for a while up the mountains with nature and trying to catch up.

I have just listened to Drakes radio Audio.

It appears some here are taking Drake's words way out of context, Listen to the audio again.

His gripe is not with Avalon or the thread that Vivek created, In fact he compliments the thread and the research and the feedback from most of the members
who responded on that thread. He is pissed off that a few of members have twisted his truth. Calling him a liar when he answered his own truth. There are a few untruths he would like to put right.

Give him the space to do this.